I was inspired by Roosh’s “Poetry Girl” posts, so I will be answering this edition of reader mailbag in iambic pentameter. I was buzzed when I wrote this.
Email #1
Is it wise to # close more than one woman in the same venue? There are 2 fields of thought here: the most common one being the jealousy plotline; things could only work in your favor but I seem to think that you come off as a player thereby lowering your chances with a quality girl because she might believe shes just another #. Thanks for reading!
K.
when your game is tight and chicks are squirming
digits are second class to same night boning
but sometimes that number is your only lover
so isolate that chick in a corner undercover
minimize exposure to target reacquisition
flip that phone open down low out of vision
otherwise stop whining about being seen
chicks may bitch but they dig the roving peen
if another lady asks tell her cheekily
“i didn’t know we were married. i’ll be home by three.”
Email #2
Let’s assume that you’ve decided to procreate (ya, ya, I know…just bear with), and you find yourself the father of females. The question is: what are your guiding principles when raising them? What advice or information do you wish them to have?
-MF
procreating brother
listen right
daughters are trouble
life ain’t black and white
keep your standards double
and your hypocrisy tight
pull your son aside and give him condoms
and a copy of mystery method and my bloggings
send him on his way never the fool
with my words of wisdom: “three date rule”
then pull your daughter aside and be real firm
“keep your legs shut and your hands off the worm
you’re a princess you’re a queen
you’re worth more than heaven
make those boys wait till your seventy-seven
don’t try to slum it with assholes and herbs
and don’t slut it up cause that’s what you heard
your window is small, by 30 it’s closed
you want lawyers, kids and money?
keep it scarce till you’re betrothed
and no, you’re not gettin’ a fucking clit piercing
Email #3
Subject: fat ness
So my husband and I read your blog. We are both fans of PUA stuff and have been for a zillion years… even before it was the in thing.
Anyway, he and I were talking yesterday about how you hate fat people so much. And we agree that certainly you are allowed to have your own taste in visuals… nothing wrong with that…
But the idea that chubby girls don’t try, aren’t good in bed, aren’t smart etc doesn’t make much sense.
Sure some fat people are lazy and dumb… and we all agree they are not as nice to look at. However, overall it appears to us that a regular chubby girl that tries to look decent, has a job, and is of average intellect … that they do try harder.
Curvy women appears to need to try harder and they do… and why is that a bad thing? Sure if you don’t want them as arm candy great… but they do try harder in bed, they do work harder in a relationship, and they do overall appreciate their partners more.
Are you really going to reject them in all ways in your life just because they aren’t 10’s? Again, we are not talking about visual taste here… we mean by everything else…. if they do try, work, and achieve more because they have to overcome and that trying hard benefits you.. why would hate them so?
Just a question we were talking about yesterday in the car 🙂
J and A
Also, I thought it would be great if bears (or any animals) actually had the evolutionary trait to pick a fatter person… it just makes sense. At this stage though a bear would not pick someone just because they are fat… they would pick anything that they would eat.
so just how fat are you?
300 pounds?
i’m guessing by “chubby”
you mean “equatorial round”
let’s keep this straight
let’s keep this true
what i feel ain’t hate
it’s disgust. pity too.
life is as fair as lion infanticide
no rhyme nor reason just ugly on all sides
there ain’t no getting around it
men like slender babes
guys who claim otherwise
are consoling their brains
and fat chicks try hard
and their personality sparkles
cause they gotta bring *something*
to atone for their waddle
so cut out the bullshit
turn down the noise
and try harder on what matters
drop the chunk for his loins
on second thought
if you want to stay married
best not increase your options
or you’ll see your hubby with new clarity
and trust me on this
cause i speak from my life
it ain’t easy being virtuous
when you’ve got a shot at vice
Email #4
Need some FAST help here to keep me from leaving for the summer on a beta note.
My first year at college is wrapping up in a week. I’m not sure how to handle the girls who i’ve been casually flirting with before the four month-long layoff between now and the fall. I’ll be living in a completely different city. Should I write them a smarky Facebook message? Just cut the contact off cold and come back hard in September? Or some idea i’m completely missing?
Guide me to safe shores with your lighthouse of Alpha advice.
-A.J.
wtf is this “casually flirting” shit?
have you no sack?
i want to remind you life passes real quick
so always be closing
don’t be a beta hack
you’ve got one week left
that’s 168 hours
to smash that warm bun
and go home a champion
fuck facebook fuck myspace
and fuck twitter too
those are female playthings
attention whores use
face to face son
balls front and center
you are a spartan
not a pissboy contender
you’ve got no time
to send cutesy IMs
so just post pics
of the summer girls you’re bang-ing
and lo and behold
like sun follows rain
september will come
and you’ll be on top of your game.
piece out, governor!
dood, you’re a saint with the patience of Job by the looks of your email inbox
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This was pretty brilliant. Well done!
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Let’s assume that you’ve decided to procreate (ya, ya, I know…just bear with), and you find yourself the father of females. The question is: what are your guiding principles when raising them?
No matter what you’ve heard or seen or felt,
There’s no topping the Glorious Natural Pelt.
Peter
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“face to face son
balls front and center
you are a spartan
not a pissboy contender”
The world would be a better place if more of us men had that kind of attitude.
Roissy, if you ever do stop blogging do masculinity a favor and do not delete your domain and archieves.
The maxims here are timeless.
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No matter what you’ve heard or seen or felt,
There’s no topping the Glorious Natural Pelt.
Peter,
You are a predictable idiot.
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Peter,
You are a predictable idiot.
At least I’m not a pedophile who worships the Bald Eagle.
Peter
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Good shit!
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haha…by the time i have children and they’ve become teenagers i’m sure it will be common for girls to ask if they can get their clits pierced and their argument will probably be “but mom has hers pierced…”
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I love the poems – nice work!
ps. I hate roosh’s blog. Every time I read it, I feel a little nauseous. It just seems like he really hates women. Maybe you really hate women too and I’m naïve and clueless to game, but if so, you hide it better.
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The son of Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes committed suicide days before Easter. Pupu read the sad news on the Easter morning, and expected him resurrected by dinner time. Pupu finished the big meal with a small slice of chocolate cake, a small slice of cheese cake, some individual small chocolate truffles and three glasses of wine. It was too late to check the news by then.
Poetry is a dangerous pursuit. The son of both poets was a fish specialist. He could have lived happily next to the sea, eating and studying fish at the same time. Instead, he chose a nasty way to leave.
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“Is it wise to # close more than one woman in the same venue?”
Yes.
# “close” as many girls that are fly in the spot.
Don’t leave any for anyone else.
I got 7 #’s from fly girls in the same spot last night. And that is not including the tow I entered into my phone incorrectly because I was getting faded.
– MPM
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Not to nitpick, but not one these responses is iambic pentameter.
Next time try haiku.
It’s easier and shorter
and drills the points home.
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Always run multiple women. Unless you got a real hot one on lock for a no shit single night lay.
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Let the man freestyle, its his fucking blog.
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ROISSY!
Write a fucking book and make lots of money! Your writings are golden. Take a step beyond Mystery.
This is shit is off the hook!
RJS
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Email #2, and this goes for the rest of you:
A man who won’t marry a “slut”?
Get in line.
Despair about feminist smut
is the word of the times.
So say ‘no’ to a non-ho
Leave that ‘V-card’ well alone.
Be honest in the car, the bar, on the phone:
‘Girl, I don’t know if your daddykins told you
But nobody marries a whore.
Keep it to yourself, keep it “pure”
No matter what the boys tell you
A sex-crazed female is just to use,
not for something old, borrowed and blue.’
If you’re a big girl and aren’t listening to daddy,
you’ll damn well listen to me,
Before it’s too late,
And you’re a lone cougar futilely readying the bait.’
Twitter is for whoring attention
which I enjoy, a lot.
Still, I have to mention,
Roissy’s account lies there, forgot.
He seems to have trouble,
figuring it all out.
Let’s give him a helping hand on the double,
’cause twitter game he ain’t got.
I have no tipsy excuse to give
for this horrible poetry to see the day and live.
Roissy’s going crazy,
with experimental prose.
Stay away from the JD.
Don’t indulge in that booze.
Don’t keep drinking that White Lightning,
For the sake of your writing.
Your liver will thank you
and so will the literary kingdom you may one day rule.
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@K.
Quality Girl will be no one’s second choice.
Only genuine interest can make her moist.
Mr. Charming Devotee will stay in her head.
Mr. Number Collector will be left for dead.
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The son of Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes committed suicide days before Easter.
He couldn’t follow Mom’s lead, as he had an electric oven.
Peter
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“Write a fucking book and make lots of money!”
Agreed.
Roissy should write a book.
However, writing a book does not equate “lots of money”.
Book advances are normally weesh. To get 100k is mindblowing for a book advance for a first time author (although there are instances where it can be more… Stuff White people like is an example of that.)
100k for the work involved isn’t worth it, monetarily.
Easier to heist a drug dealer.
– MPM
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However, overall it appears to us that a regular chubby girl that tries to look decent, has a job, and is of average intellect … that they do try harder.
In VK’s words, “Fuck your thyroid problem”. Fat bitches clearly aren’t trying hard enough if they’re still fat. If the bitch ain’t Samoan then there’s really no excuse. They also cock block viciously, so let’s all hope they choke on their own vomit.
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To Fatty in E-mail #3
Unlike the others I will try and give you some shred of hope.
If you have an hourglass figure you have more leeway. That is, if you have a pretty face and a waist-hip ratio of around .70 you will probably be OK.
However that does not give you license to completely pork out. Being slim with a good figure is better than being “chubby” but with a figure. Just as a beta man needs to Alpha up, a “chubby” woman needs to slim down. They will both have more choices that way.
[Apologies for not writing in verse. I decided it was better to be terse. I did not want to make it worse]
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Peter,
Yes, yes, I’m a pedophile or something. I also throw puppies into a wood chipper on Sunday. All day Sunday. And as for worshipping something, well…
Seriously, you are an idiot. I don’t think I’ve ever read a decent comment from you anywhere. Maybe go back to the SCA shit?
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Easier to heist a drug dealer.
– MPM
As we all know the line between being a criminal and law abiding is increasingly blurred so wear a custom suit and bring your Desert Eagle! But the streets always watching or something, so be careful…Maybe bring Somali pirates?
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Peter,
But he may still have a gas stove top.
The moral of Pupu’s story: drinking is fine but stay away from poetry.
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I have a recurring thyroid problem in my pants.
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the girls who i’ve been casually flirting with
Translation: the girls who are in my class who sometimes acknowledge my existence when I ask them banal, class-related questions…
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Iron/Peter
The fact that you think those thoughts and worry about that charge is just pathetic. It reveals vast depths of beta programing by feminists.
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Patrick Bateman
So true.
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Translation: the girls who are in my class who sometimes acknowledge my existence when I ask them banal, class-related questions…
Been there, done that. I’m a recovering beta.
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Now is the winter of our discontent,
When you, dear friends, make haste to cry afoul
Upon Roissy’s sordid, sad lament.
But take his word and surely grab a towel,
To clean the mess from ‘dogging Roissy-style.
A beta? A herb? Let Roissy decide.
The man’s a king and known to defile
Even lawyer chicks others won’t abide.
To take advice and learn to heed it well,
Is surely wisdom everyone must heed.
Despite the haters, even one from hell,
This man, a god, he lives to do the deed.
So listen friends and surely do not pose,
When Roissy conquers all with epic prose.
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This was brilliant! Maybe I should try writing more when I’m buzzed.
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RE: Email #2
> Let’s assume that you’ve decided to procreate (ya, ya, I know…just bear with), and you find yourself the father of females. The question is: what are your guiding principles when raising them? What advice or information do you wish them to have?
>keep your standards double
>and your hypocrisy tight
Word. That’s the plan — it’s the way the world works.
It will begin by me telling my future children that they have to do everything Mommy tells them because Mommy is Daddy’s deputy. Unless of course, I tell them something that contradicts Mommy, in which case they are to listen to Daddy.
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“Still Standing” sitcom scene, in which the dad is explaining to the mom why he’s letting Junior go out on a date, but not the daughter:
“Listen Judy, if Brian goes out with that girl tonight, he might get lucky. But if Lauren goes out with that boy tonight, that boy might get lucky. “
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We write our best when we are far too drunk.
And Roissy surely doesn’t give a fuck
What you all think about his mammoth junk,
despite the fact that, Sara, she does suck.
But day-to-day it really warms my heart
When Roissy takes the hate and turns it back
Around. And yes this really is an art,
That he alone has mastered – he’s no hack.
And even when that Peter talks about
the bush, it doesn’t bother me too much.
Because there’s game, and never pussy drought.
Especially for those who have the touch.
So listen all you haters and take heed,
Say what you will while Roissy spreads his seed.
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haha, Tarl is totally on the money.
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“iambic pentameter” huh
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Poetry girl has inspired us all.
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the lamentable submissions of “poetry” here are proof positivire beyond any doubt that even the best educated among us have been woefully deprived in English Literature instruction.
this is like a poetry colonic slam
have a nice weekend.
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roissy makes sure to remind us “i was buzzed when i wrote this”
beta 😦
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I just want to cosign Default and pickup on a point the married lady made to Roissy in her email; and interestingly enough, I was talking about this last night to some homies of mine.
No disrespect to any Man on what makes his Nature rise; but I’m just sharing what I’ve found to be true in my travels and experience.
I have found that in particular, my White brothers tend to put a great emphasis on what he call “Dimes”, and w/o a doubt, a Beautiful Woman is a sight to behold. No argument there. However, what the married lady alluded *does have some merit*-chubbier gals, and/or gals who know they’re not the Cat’s Meow, do tend to try harder.
Now, please listen close to what I’m saying here-there are a lot of Women who are the Bomb in bed, but Duds in the sack. Its true, and when you think about it, its easy to see why.
Being blessed by God and genetics with great beauty, these Women never had to learn how to fuck and suck; they are very used to Men falling over them. This is a dirty little secret among Men who know better, because a lot of guys are into what their homies will think of his gal. But trust me, there aint nothin’ wosrse than a Deadfuck, and you wil find far more of em among the so-called Dime Class than you will among a strong 6.5 who fucks like she was Vanessa Del Rio reincarnated.
Now of course, the idea is to get as close as you can to Dime in the looks dept, and as close to a Dime in the sex dept too; but as is so often th case in Life, things don’t always work out that way.
So, what I’ve found to be true, is what PA has often said-if you’re what would considered by most Women to be say, a 7 on the looks scale, you’re goal is to grab up a strong 7.5-8.5 female on the looks scale. If you can do that, AND she can fuck like a 9.5, you’ve struck the Motherlode.
Now, going back to Default’s point, what he said has always been my view, the gal can be Zaftig, but not Zeppelin. Huge difference, pardon the pun. She got a defined waistline, for starters. Minimum gut, at best. Although I’ve always been partial to the belly dancer tummies.
OK that’s it. Holla back
O
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We need to tell roissy his writing is bad when alcohol-fuelled. Because, if we don’t, he’ll become an alcoholic to be succesful. Then, he’ll die of something alcohol-related. Then, where will we be? Maybe sara will be finally happy.
Firepower:
I’ve learnt it all, from Tony Harisson to William Blake,
alliteration and consonance enough for a headache,
It’s not fun with the right metre or without a silly pun,
so proof positivirely quit the cheap shots, hon.
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lol Roissy
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Obsidian, as evidence for your post look at Kim Kardashian’s sex tape.
She is a certified 9 but she just lays there just taking it.
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I see roissy was rhyming at a young age nice job
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Schoolboy, yup, there you go, and you can betcha your bottom dollah KK is by no means alone. To me, its a waste.
Oh, check the Arnie thread, I left somethin for ya. 🙂
O
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This is too funny! Great winners!!!
http://www.2birds1blog.com/2008/04/20-male-poses-of-facebook.html
Stop overanalyzing for a few minutes and have a laugh instead!
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There was a young Alpha named Roissy
Who squired around town with his posse
The chicks loved his game,
all the time, never lame,
‘Cause they go for a man who is bossy!
OK, content not scintillating, but at least it rhymes!
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Explaining the difference between men and woman is a must to your daughter especially when she has a brother who is two years younger. Why does he get to do whatever he wants. Well because we beat him when he was ten and it did nothing. Plus if he has a kid he will have to be responable. If you have a kid we will have to be responsable.
Really though people think it is the woman who are the deciders of whether they have a kid or not. One thing my parents taught me that stuck was don’t have a kid when your young. don’t have a kid till your married. Don’t have a kid with the wrong woman. These things are probably taught to most boys during my generation. Which might help account for low birthrates. One irony though is on the woman deciding if they have a kid. Really even when I was in high school I could have had kids with many woman. They are not the holders of childbirth but men. It was only because I made a descision not to impregnate them that they didn’t concieve. Convincing them to have my kid was no problem.
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It’s been 3 weeks now, so I guess the judging for the “How Good Is Your Social Acumen (sic)?” post got the dangling-penis treatment from Mr. Short Attention Span.
Yes, the post’s title is moronic, like asking “How good are those delicious pancakes?”
But the topic is still educational for those of us with no innate ability to calibrate between alpha aggression/social-robot paranoia on one hand and fearful passivity/no-big-deal coolness on the other.
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Beta Files:
I pass through a girl I know and she knows me. Or one thinks knows the other, it does not matter. What matters is that one of us or both of us seem to be compelled to say “hi” or “hello” but one of us (both, generally) is not sure the other will answer back.
Eye contact has been made. Should I say “hi” to her and risk being despised but being bold enough to do it, or should I just maintain eye contact and wait for her to say something under the risk of ignoring / being ingored by her?
P.S. – I am not very good with new faces and, while with boys I can maintain firm eye contact and look like I’m gone kick your ass untill the other say “hi, man!” – or otherwise I just ignore him and keep the eye contact so that sometimes I creep the shit out of him – with girls, it’s another story, I never know what to do…
I would like to hear what you people say…
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Written when I was perfectly sober.
THE ROISSY READER LAMENT
Most guys know how to be a guy
They just live it without asking why
But some us were born to be effeminate chumps
So evolution sends us to the S-and-R dumps
We’ve got a find a way to appear to conform
Join the pack, or get lost in the storm
All our dream girls chose to be with others
Who make half as much and live with their mothers
But the signals we send out when women seek
Tell them we’re an unlovable pipsqueak
I’ll mimic an alpha, I’ll fool them yet
Girls won’t figure out I’m of a different set
My fear I will hide and my abdominal cramps
Will fade away, I’ll be a PUA champ
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on second thought
if you want to stay married
best not increase your options
or you’ll see your hubby with new clarity
and trust me on this
cause i speak from my life
it ain’t easy being virtuous
when you’ve got a shot at vice
The more interesting mental-health discovery he and his colleagues made, Pories says, were the effects the surgery had on people’s marriages. “If the woman married when she was thin, had kids, became obese, and then had the surgery, the marriage almost always got a lot better,” he explains. (An estimated 75 percent of all bariatric patients are female.) “But if the woman married someone while she was obese and then became pretty . . . well, then she found a job. Got her colors done. Felt better about herself. And almost every one of those marriages ended in divorce.”
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ATC: That was truly inspirational. If only they taught that poetry in schools, instead of gems like the pieces by this lovely lady. I draw your attention to Education for Leisure and Salome. Salome’s who y’all are afraid of.
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I think I secretly long for salome and have found her. If I fuck up too much I’ll be around her. My tender woman please don’t miss my jugular when you get too pissed.
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True Love it brings a tear to the eye.
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Well I will attribute Roissy’s lack of iambic pentameter to his drunken state. Fortunately his brilliant prose more than outweighs his poetry.
Traveller at least wrote something in iambic pentameter!
Heroic Couplets, such as Alexander Pope wrote, are the best vehicle for biting sarcasm in the English language.
It is nice to see though all the poetry that Roissy inspired here.
For those who think that poetry is some sort of effeminate beta-ish pastime, some of the greatest alpha males in history wrote and enjoyed poetry, such as Julius Caesar and General George Patton.
But then again I cannot stand most twentieth century “poetry” myself.
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But then again I cannot stand most twentieth century “poetry” myself.
The real poets of the latter half of the 20th century wrote rock & pop lyrics.
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“Heroic Couplets, such as Alexander Pope wrote, are the best vehicle for biting sarcasm in the English language. ”
Couplets in general are surely the most fun to write. Obviously my iambic pentameter skills are pretty pathetic – at least when I crank out non-sensical Roissy-related ramblings in MS Notepad while trying to work.
Limericks though may be the greatest of all:
There once was a man named Peter
Who tried to fuck a parking meter.
He sung of its pelt,
As he whipped off his belt,
But learned that metal ain’t sweeter.
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–But then again I cannot stand most twentieth century “poetry” myself.–
why some of the best stuff out there uses no punctuation or capitals and seems to consist of nothing but run on sentences but in reality it was liberating true poetry and creativity from bourgeoise constraints and the patriarchy and allowing glbt and people of color to express themselves without oppression from dwems or other reactionary doorkeepers of culture that stifled true new ideas we have made great strides and racist homophobic patriarchial sexist idees like your will not stand in the way of new and better poetry start by reading i rigobert menchu and then move to bell hooks maybe you will be able to understand why it is so good
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Roissy does comedy plays too:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/theater-of-the-beta-the-david-alexander-sexbot-saga/
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At least I’m not a pedophile who worships the Bald Eagle.
As god told the atheist who turned up in heaven, “I was never far from your mind”.
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I’m the nicest goddamm dame that ever lived, but I don’t know whether to laugh or glare at what they did to my picture!
“A sure way to lose happiness, I found, is to want it at the expense of everything else “-Bette Davis
“I wanted to be the first to win three Oscars, but Miss Hepburn has done it. Actually it hasn’t been done. Miss Hepburn only won half an Oscar. If they’d given me half an Oscar I would have thrown it back in their faces. You see, I’m an Aries. I never lose.”-Bette Davis
“From the moment I was six I felt sexy. And let me tell you it was hell, sheer hell, waiting to do something about it. “-Bette Davis
“Why am I so good at playing bitches? I think it’s because I’m not a bitch. Maybe that’s why Miss Crawford always plays ladies. “-Bette Davis
“My passions were all gathered together like fingers that made a fist. Drive is considered aggression today; I knew it then as purpose. “-Bette Davis
“I often think that a slightly exposed shoulder emerging from a long satin nightgown packed more sex than two naked bodies in bed.”-Bette Davis
“Everybody has a heart. Except some people.”-Bette Davis
“I do not regret one professional enemy I have made. Any actor who doesn’t dare to make an enemy should get out of the business. “-Bette Davis
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Poetry, right. As one should ask the alphae,
“Salax taberna vosque contubernales,
a pilleatis nona fratribus pila,
solis putatis esse mentula vobis,
solis licere, quidquid est puellarum,
confutere et putere ceteros hircos?”
(You regulars of the whore-house tavern, nine doors along from the temple of the Capped Brothers, do you think you alone have cocks, that you alone may screw all the girls, and that the rest of us stink like goats?)
Even if the mood around here is usually more like
“Caeli, Lesbia nostra, Lesbia illa,
illa Lesbia, quam Catullus unam
plus quam se atque suos amavit omnes
nune in quadriviis et angiportis
glubit magnanimi Remi nepotes.”
(O, Caelius, my Lesbia, that Lesbia, Lesbia whom alone Catullus loved more than himself and all his own, now in the cross-roads and alleys serves the filthy lusts of the descendants of lordly-minded Remus.)
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“Pray to God and say the lines. “-Bette Davis
“I’m the nicest goddamn dame that ever lived. “-Bette Davis
“To fulfill a dream, to be allowed to sweat over lonely labor, to be given a chance to create, is the meat and potatoes of life. The money is the gravy. As everyone else, I love to dunk my crust in it. But alone, it is not a diet designed to keep body and soul together. “-Bette Davis
“I would take a bad script and a good director any day against a good script and a bad director.”-Bette Davis
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Pa first time I read that one pretty funny.
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Glengarry you are one sick fucker.
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Hey, I’m not the one rattling on and on about it.
Even if technically you’re right that I’m a fucker. And happens to be home sick. You just got lucky.
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lol
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Some rock music poetry — including heroic couplets — as they come to me. Not even necessarily better-known songs:
“I’ve been down the streets of desire
Sometimes I was so uninspired”
— Loverboy “This Could be the Night”
“I volunteered for the Army on my birthday
They drafted white trash first round here anyway”
— Steve Earle “Copperhead Road”
“I disappeared in you, you disappeared from me
I gave you everythign you ever wanted, it wasn’t what you wanted”
— U2 “So Cruel”
“You always won, everytime you placed a bet
Youre still damn good, no ones gotten to you yet”
— Bob Seger “Still the Same”
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I’m not that impressed with Loverboy or Bob Seger and Steve Earle has better lyrics elsewhere, but the U2 is good.
The best poetry from U2 though is the lyrics from Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me:
You dont know how you took it
You just know what you got
Oh lordy youve been stealing
From the theives and you got caught
In the headlights
Of a stretch car
Youre a star
Dressing like your sister
Living like a tart
They dont know what youre doing
Babe, it must be art
Youre a headache
In a suitcase
Youre a star
Oh no, dont be shy
You dont have to go blind
Hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me
You dont know how you got here
You just know you want out
Believing in yourself
Almost as much as you doubt
Youre a big smash
You wear it like a rash
Star
Oh no, dont be shy
Theres a crowd to cry
Hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me
They want you to be jesus
Theyll go down on one knee
But theyll want their money back
If youre alive at thirty-three
And youre turning tricks
With your crucifix
Youre a star
(oh child)
Of course youre not shy
You dont have to deny love
Hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me
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Pope and Swift were awesome. Pope’s masterpiece is the Dunciad, a celebration of stupidity. This seems appropriate for Obamaland:
In vain, in vain – the all-composing hour
Resistless falls: The Muse obeys the power.
She comes! she comes! the sable throne behold
Of Night primeval, and of Chaos old!
Before her, Fancy’s gilded clouds decay,
And all its varying rainbows die away.
Wit shoots in vain its momentary fires,
The meteor drops, and in a flash expires.
As one by one, at dread Medea’s strain,
The sickening stars fade off th’ ethereal plain;
As Argus’ eyes by Hermes’ wand oppressed,
Closed one by one to everlasting rest;
Thus at her felt approach, and secret might,
Art after Art goes out, and all is Night.
See skulking Truth to her old cavern fled,
Mountains of Casuistry heaped o’er her head!
Philosophy, that leaned on Heaven before,
Shrinks to her second cause, and is no more.
Physic of Metaphysic begs defence,
And Metaphysic calls for aid on Sense !
See Mystery to Mathematics fly!
In vain! they gaze, turn giddy, rave, and die.
Religion blushing veils her sacred fires,
And unawares Morality expires.
Nor public Flame, nor private , dares to shine;
Nor human Spark is left, nor Glimpse divine !
Lo! thy dread Empire, Chaos! is restored;
Light dies before thy uncreating word:
Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall;
And universal Darkness buries All.
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Thursday — what’s your take on The Doors lyrics and Morisson’s poetry? To me it’s a purely sensory experience, though it seems useless beyond the “wow, far-out” effect it creates.
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PA, I really admire ‘So Cruel’ and ‘Copperhead Road’, but I don’t think they survive on the page without their music. That’s the problem with most 20th-21st century song lyrics. Very few of them can stand alone and not lose a great deal of their power. Joni Mitchell’s early lyrics almost do, but at the cost of seeming more conventional than they really are. Leonard Cohen’s do, but he was a poet before he ever wrote a song.
But the real rockers need their music to make their lyrics come alive.
Meanwhile, Roissy’s verse is mostly iambic tetrameter. He only gets 4 beats to the bar, as it were.
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Never made it as a wiseman
I couldn’t cut it as a poor man stealing
Tired of living like a blind man
I’m sick inside without a sense of feeling
Put this one on the list from Roissy:
real, mutual love is the cuisinart of the heart that slices and dices through drama, pain, and tragicomedy.
or:
when it’s right it won’t feel like a fight.
Roisy
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Yea thursday that was some strong brew. Be aware that no electicity or civilization is not darkness but yea no morals at all your fucked.
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Glengary,
I was actrually referring to your poetry not the atheist I thought that was cool
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As in yea how many times a day would the atheist have to reaffirm that there is no god.
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Another Fridays ending
Saturday’s new beggining
What have we learned
What have we gained
A headache and pain
Unless every day is like the last
And you can trully escape the past
Forging through each day till gone
Making up your own life song
Body caged in prisoners housing
Mind is free for mental carousing
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People’s dreams without a push
wallow in the the quagmire
from within the storm brews
but the drinking of many brews
offsets the fear to lose
the game to gain fame
and the leap to make that great feat
and create the space to beat the race to make the thoughts
real and the feeling to feel
rather than being in transcendant frame
the consequence a shame
for this game can be beat it is no uncertain feat
giving up is heated and this thing we call life begins to be defeated at first in the march of pure thoughts destroyed after birth.
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The early R&B stylists sometimes explained that if the words to a song were slurred out such that the listener was not entirely sure what they were, his or her imagination would come up with something more salacious than any lyrics one get away with writing. That is, if the singer did the job of suggesting clearly enough what the song was supposed to be about – fucking, usually
The Kingsmans version of “Louie louie” was a perfect example of this. M. Jagger said he used that trick on “Satisfaction”.
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So Rum I guess a question is it worth it to be rich?
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Or should I stop now at 2k a month and just lay on titties.
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And the knife comes out and it is sharp and you wonder why your afraid since it is in your hand. And its not a knife but fear and the fear is success.
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Gunslingergregi, I’m not keeping up … But Catullus thanks you.
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Roissy is the reincarnated John Wilmot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilmot,_2nd_Earl_of_Rochester
See Johnny Depp in “The Libertine”.
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@anyonomous, I can believe the slimming = divorce thing. I’m developing “former fatty syndrome” because some of my friends, male and female, treat me differently. My protege actually “broke up” with me.
What’s messed up about this is that I’m still fat, just considerably less fat than I was. So it really doesn’t take alot of weight loss, or anything drastic like bariatric surgery. Just being healthier will do the job of alienating misery mongers posing as friends/lovers.
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“Chicks may bitch but they dig the roving peen”
Heh!
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Nicole
This blog puts a lot of emphasis on the importance of non-verbal “tells” that are purely mechanical, ie, expressed by body movement rather than just facial expressions.
You can take it as a rule that humans are very good at reading whole body signals as to general health and vigor. In fact, we are hard wired to strongly notice the biomechanical changes in a person as they are getting fatter vs getting leaner. As soon as a person starts the process of losing fat and gaining muscle several things happen. The chemical/hormonal balance shifts in a good direction. Blood pressure and insulin resistance get better virtually over night. You think that is invisible to the way our midbrain sees one another?
Being around someone especially a woman who is slowly but steadily turning into lard will depress everyone around them. Being around a transition in the opposite direction elevates everyones mood as soon as the turn is made.
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—What’s messed up about this is that I’m still fat, just considerably less fat than I was—
Still black and ugly too.
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Clio,
Where have you been? Just reading your words on here gets me all worked up…
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Rum, the problem is that not everyone wants to be elevated. Some people apparently hate themselves and enjoy suffering.
I suppose that when I was fatter and less energetic, I made people like that more comfortable.
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Retch Jingleheimer, in the dating market, I’d rather be ugly than invisible.
Think about that.
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A couple faves of mine:
Depeche Mode, “Condemnation”
Condemnation
Tried
Here on the stand
With the book in my hand
And truth on my side
Accusations
Lies
Hand me my sentence
I’ll show no repentance
I’ll suffer with pride
If for honesty
You want apologies
I don’t sympathize
If for kindness
You substitute blindness
Please open your eyes
Condemnation
Why?
Because my duty
Was always to beauty
And that was my crime
I feel elation
High
To know I can trust this
Fix of injustice
Time after time
If you see purity
As immaturity
Well it’s no surprise
If for kindness
You substitute blindness
Please open your eyes
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G. Love, “Stepping Stones”
Baby you’re beat up, broken down
Every man knows your name in this whole damn town
In every bar they know your drink, what should I think
I turned around to look and you gave some dude a wink
I thought I’d be happy with a woman like you
but you walked on my pride and my manhood too
I don’t know too much but one thing I know
A man stuck on you is like a stepping stone
Because you keep using me like a stepping stone
Because you keep using me like a stepping stone
What you forgot to mention, what was your real intention
Did you want a man to love, or someone to prop and carry you up
To a higher status, but the matter of the fact is, your detachment
Will bring you futher down, and now you’re all used up
don’t bother coming round
Because you keep using me like a stepping stone
Because you keep using me like a stepping stone
Well, I remember back to what you put me through
I keep thinking to myself, what’s wrong with you?
Ain’t it enough to have a man for a lover and a friend
You tear him up and leave him when the money’s spent
Well, you’re just like a lot I’ve seen in the day
You take the strongest man and break him down again
But I have gained some knowledge
Go on, pack your things and move back to college
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Dawm, I started a lyrics slamdown. Not that it’s a bad thing.
Suggestion: excerpt only the best lines and give a one-sentence explanation as to why they’re cool. Keeps the lazy demons of our nature from glossing over the whole posted song.
As soon as a person starts the process of losing fat and gaining muscle several things happen. The chemical/hormonal balance shifts in a good direction.
That’s true. I noticed this when I started weight training in my mid-thirties. I was never fat, just on my way to looking tall & sloppy. Within several months of lifting weights under a trainer-prescribed program I started getting the expected v-shape torso plus nice muscle tone & mass in the upper body.
But what I didn’t expect was the surge in both calm and confidence that came along with lifting weights. Herbs and Betas of the world: get thee to the gym.
Ace’s fellow o m e g a friend Mike joined my gym last summer. He’s rapidly gotten promoted to a Meta-with Momentum. He went froma a tall & fat dweeby techie to a lean, big, well-dressing, slicked-hair, with a touch of bling guy.
He’s now banging a hot FOB chick in another state and started gaming girls at his hothouse place of employment.
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Meta-with Momentum
Beta-with-Momentum
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Fatter and less energetic. I don’t know I mean I actually did a test to see how I felt at 171 pounds and perfect shape. No change to the way I feel now. I think people kid themselves that there is some transcendant change because they lose weight. Think about this almost everyone from poor countries is thin but does that mean they all feel great or are there still going to be differences in people. The change is how other people view you not how you view yourself.
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I think the change in loosing weight is that you start to glow from happiness with a few kg less, they start to have control over their life.
Yesterday i met a friends girlfriend, i haven’t seen them for a while, she was quite heavy a year ago, and she lost weight and looked so much better then before, and she was so much more outspoken and happy, i think her weight bothered her before and made her shy.
Retch your previous comment is terrible,,
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Yea ok for woman yea they need to keep the weight off. Double standards are great lol
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But what I didn’t expect was the surge in both calm and confidence that came along with lifting weights. Herbs and Betas of the world: get thee to the gym.
In contrast, my own self-directed regimen of daily push-ups and sit-ups didn’t have a similar effect, and at times, I felt more tired…
I generally don’t pay attention to the lyrics and songs, and I sorta treat the words like a musical instrument. Once in a while something may pick my curiosity and in this case, I’ll describe the lyrics that I once used to describe the early portion of my relationship with non-date…
Is stupid really stupid
or a different kind of smart?
Do we really have a relationship
so special in your heart?
Pet Shop Boys – I’m With Stupid – Fundamental
I leave the reader to interpret why I chose that portion.
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Biktopia
Modern women seemed fixated on how “feel about themselves” as if that was the most powerful force in the universe. They should get past it. First, it is annoyingly narcicistic. Second, they are kidding themselves. Good responses from the outside world come to whom and what pleases the outside world, not what pleases you to feel about yourself.
Women waste a lot of effort on the wrong things in regard to succeeding with men. Eat right and spend time working out and all the inside-of-your-head bullshit will take take care of itself or at least take a nice upward bounce.
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Something about these lyics makes me support the whole women only want alphas theory…
Trapped in emotions, you’ve got me rot
The cure that you give is not in the book
To you I’m addicted, I can’t deny
To shake you off, I won’t even try
Don’t even know your name
So I will call you medicine
You can ease my pain
I don’t wanna feel the same
Tonight I need your medicine
Running through my veins
Kim Leoni – Medicine
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Rum
Yes, a healthy lifestyle will fix all that true. Some people are just refractory to live such a way.
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This video reminds me of guys at friday in the nightclub.
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Kay Slay: “I gotta tell you like my dog told me… when you meet a chick, you gotta straight SLAP her!”
Cam’ron: “Slap her?”
Kay Slay: “Yeah, when you first meet her, just slap her.”
Cam’ron: “Off the bat?”
Kay Slay: “Yeah, off the bat!”
Cam’ron: “Why is that, though?”
Kay Slay: “So later on down the line, you never gotta worry about the girl saying, “CAAAM, you don’t treat me the way you used to!!!!”
/// cam’ron saving hip hop may 5th go cop that
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Yes, DA, let’s ignore every single popular, painful love song in music history. I really don’t think you’ve found the most alpha-loving song yet, though. The one you got is too ambiguous.
Maybe this one? Nope, actually, not sufficient. Too much touchy-feely stuff. Can’t find the one worshipping his ability to bruise her just by touching her with his pinky. Or the one obsessing about that guy who she kissed within five minutes of meeting, but he went off with some other chick. Er… I trust in your ability to dig these up. I really don’t want to look into emo music, myself.
Would you do anything for love? But no you won’t do that (that=stop the whining, that is).
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In contrast, my own self-directed regimen of daily push-ups and sit-ups didn’t have a similar effect, and at times, I felt more tired…
A measured progression is really important.
When I first went to the gym I just messed around with the weights for a few weeks, and was soon in danger of getting bored with the enterprise. Not with the lifting itself — but with the whole ordeal of driving there and changing into workout clothes. Too much of a hassle after work.
But after meeting with a trainer I got a schedule that was intended to create a year’s foundation. It was a simple program. Insultingly easy at first — because you don’t wanna injure your tendons etc — but it had a measurable progression. That got me hooked.
I’ll admit that running is an insuffrable bore, except when I get a rare runner’s high. But the iPod makes the time go by fast on the treadmill.
By the way, your push-up / sit-up regimen is a very good basic workout, provided you’re doing it slowly and correctly. That’s all I did in damn Army basic training for 3 months 🙂
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Bhetti
Now this is an Alpha loving song.
Just what every woman need to get those bosums heaving.
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Everyone knows “Grease.” Chicks especially. But there is also its less-known sequel. A classic tale of a nice-guy beta turning into an Alpha.
I saw it in my early teens. The zippo lighter scene is a classic and it has been my lifelong inspiration.
Girls, a cool rider “will burn you through and through”:
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PA,
What you don’t bring up about lifting is it is like joining a club.
My buddy lifted all the time. Part of the reason he got his permanent computer job. Good networking activity for adults.
You should try sets of 50 will blow your mind how strong you can get. Doing perfect form light weight at first. You see guys going heavy with bouncing and shit. If you go 50 no bounce man it really ups your shit. Goal be able to do 50 reps with 225. If ya want to take the challenge. I’ll do it to. I think it would be some irony to go back to the old lady able to break coconuts. He He He
Lifting is fun to be able to crush someones skull with your arm. Only drawback is yea you can bruise your woman with your pinky on accident but they don’t seem to mind lol
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Bhetti,
True story
I used to bruise my woman all the time with my pinky lol or any other part of my body that touched her. She did love me for it. He He He.
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You should try sets of 50 will blow your mind how strong you can get. Doing perfect form light weight at first.
Dude, thanks for the suggestion. I was just looking to change up my routine.
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Prob brought up before but it started on a bet lifting 135 32 times and no one could do it. I lost the bet but then 5 months or so later could do it. Then did 195 about 40 times was around when I stopped we had to move the bench (: I put the bench right outside my office in the maintenance bay and started periodically walking outside like when I smoked and popping out a set of 50.
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It wasn’t just that I could do 135 32 times it was that it was easy. That was the enlightenment.
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Speaking of drunk poets who love and hate their women intensely, Pupu finds this dialogue between Charles Bukowski and his future fiancé fascinating and disturbing. Don’t miss minute 6:08.
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Default: that’s it, you’re officially amazing. You, like, totally get chicks, man. You are applying all this knowledge efficiently with awesome results in real life, right? You better be.
There’s a chapter in Beyond Heaving Bosoms about alpha heroes. You have to read it. I’ll even buy you a copy without too much sweet-talkin’. *feels like a Bosoms thumper *
You all have to read it. Serious business. If only to see how academic analysis of any subject should be done (low on the academic, high on the fun. There’s even a boardgame on pg 118.). It’s the only other place I’ve seen terms and phrases like ‘jizztastic’, ‘holy cuntmonkeys’ and ‘affective actualisation’ in the same place.
Gunny: Dude, that pinky is legendary and very frightening.
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Default remember the only way you really gain something from understanding woman is when they are putting cash in your bank account lol
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lol Bhetti why do guys scare you they seem to be mostly nice 🙂
More evidence of woman being actually evil I think. Guys just have misplaced ambitions sometimes.
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I mean other than before in your life but if you look around they are fairly nice to woman even though they get their guts torn out by them.
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Gunny: I am growing increasingly less afraid of males specifically. But that pinky is hell-a scary.
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hahhahaha it is not that bad you just have to get used to it
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You can rhyme and tell jokes not sure I like the new site your on for blog with some kind of environmental book advertised. Now that is scary!!!
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To the male gender: I apologise for
all the ‘you’re such a girls’,
suspecting every last one constantly of being pedos,
not answering your call,
feeling like you should be doing all the work and making you do this,
being a moody shrew,
using you to make me feel better,
not being able to make plans (& possibly flaking out on ones made),
avoiding you,
accidentally indicating interest when I wasn’t,
blaming everything that’s wrong in the world on testosterone,
not being able to interest myself in you,
being unavailable,
all imagery involving your genitalia & sharp objects,
ever asking if I looked fat,
bullying or harassing you (DA, you’re like blood in the water for my sharktastic self),
doing things that make you feel inferior,
giving out mixed signals
and, finally, for all the times I was really lying inside when I said ‘I love you’.
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Gunny: Shh, don’t tell anyone, but I’m just the token female who’s writing on human relationships and so on. More of the same of me, really, just hogging a bemused readership.
NOW GO RECYCLE.
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To the female gender: I apologize for
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Nothing
It is good to have a clear conscience.
He He He
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Re: Susan Boyle the middle aged cat-lady & amazing singer on Britians Got Talent; near onto 30 million views on youtube.
-which must have something to do with poetry and popular culture.
The way I see it, this is a perfect demonstration of the qualities of anglo saxon culture that I admire so much.
They did not pretend to like her when she at first came on acting like a silly/sow/dork. But when she started to sing and showed off her amazing courage and ability everybody in the audience was instantly on her side and wished her only the best.
This is what happens when decently hot women fuck basicaly nice guys over a long period of time.
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I am glad your getting the poison out Bhetti 🙂
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Most of your list is things that are human but the one that amazes guys like me is when in a divorce the woman changes into an illogical being like the terminator. Who cannot be reasoned with who cannot be stopped and will take advantage of the system to destroy that which she once held dear. With no weight given to thoughts of the good times from the past. No fairness and becomes the complete and total absense of good.
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Gunslinger, this is where you’re wrong: during the divorce is the first time in some women’s lives that they are being completely logical…brutally so.
Does a guy who selected based on looks rather than character truly deserve better than to be taken to the cleaners?
How much of a sucker was he? and how much a willing party to a scam in which he thought he could magically come out better?
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First wife when she left for a year and called to see if she could get her shit. I said ok even said I wouldn’t kill her. Didn’t burn her family pictures. Or bust up stuff from her childhood. People can be civil even in uncivil times.
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Character is not based on looks nicole it is just based on character.
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I should actually rephrase that…
In our grandparents’ and some of out parents’ generation, beauty was obviously nurturing type traits. There was a softness…a femininity that even very independent women, like my great aunt strove to maintain. It kept her attractive even at 40 and beyond.
My mom is also like that. She can do your taxes, manage a room full of mildly retarded and autistic kids, and cook.
In their 20’s they were even prettier, but I don’t think either of them is or was “hot” by the general 20-something guys’ standard. I’ll have to see if I can get permission to post photos on my site.
So selecting for looks is probably not the problem. Selecting for Lesbian ideal looks is the problem. You get what you pay for. If you invest in a woman who looks and carries herself in a way that says that men are an exploitable resource well…that’s like me selecting for pretty boys who are rude to the wait staff.
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As hard as it is to get rich there is nothing in this world that should be able to seperate a man from his money unless he chooses to give it freely.
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Gunslinger, I believe there are tells for low character that if someone doesn’t have the gutt instinct to spot immediately, they should get it within say, a few months of living with someone. Nobody just up and turns evil. Someone can’t pull something out of themselves that wasn’t in there to start.
Civil people can be civil. Barbaric people can’t be civil for very long. Something’s going to slip out.
Through experience, we civil people learn not to be tolerant or ignore those signs, but I prefer to learn from other people’s experience more than my own. I have no experience with being truly and royally screwed over, but I’ve seen enough from others to watch out for that.
The good news is that there is nothing you could have done. If you’re wondering about that, then consider that many truly wretched men have women who love them madly and deeply. Some guys who have been grossly disfigured and disabled do.
…and some great guys have been stupid enough to fall in love or what they’re convinced is love with bad women. These things happen. Nobody or at least very few people have a perfect record of perfect control of their emotions.
I love some people who I can never remind of my existence again, for the sake of my dignity. At the end of the day, as long as you still have that, you won the game.
…because barbaric, brutal people who will rip the heart out of those who care for them, have no dignity. They have no self respect. If they did, they wouldn’t do the dirt they do.
What I’m saying is that in matters of the heart, every person pays the price of their mistakes. Show too much love to a snake or a hoe, and you’ll get the venom.
Someone who needs to have that experience in order to learn that they aren’t smarter than nature, should.
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I don’t know I guess I didn’t really have that bad of a personal experience either. She didn’t have sex with me in the last 6 months so in her mind she could say she didn’t cheat on me. Which to this day she says she didn’t. I gave her that technicallity and didn’t shoot her in the head. Everyone can be civil but if they are not. Then some things are worth dieing for.
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(DA, you’re like blood in the water for my sharktastic self)
I feel special!
Would you do anything for love? But no you won’t do that (that=stop the whining, that is).
You’re right. It’s much easier to prattle around here or sit at home and do nothing that deal with the mess of going out to meet people or the responsibilities of a relationship.
A measured progression is really important.
The sit-ups actually lead to a somewhat more defined abdominal region, but the push-ups after several months really didn’t do anything drastic. In contrast, my brother did the same regime, and while he’s a bit shorter than me and just as thin, his muscles are definitely more defined.
Now this is an Alpha loving song.
Not including the lyrics, this song with it’s catchy 80s upbeat tempo would have been perfect on the Acela ride from DC yesterday. It’s nice to blow thru New Carrollton at 125mph or to watch the train tilt on the curve thru the Bowie, MD area or to see the train pull away at twice highway speeds and feel the acceleration at full power.
Useless Fact: WMATA is cool. 🙂
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Rum: Yes, it’s really positive. Apologies for attempting to take away from that by focusing on the ickle negative that makes it so positive. What’re you implying would be different with other cultures?
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Dignity yes that must be somehow kept but in the world it is being taken by woman backed by government force. That is the sadness that cannot be believed. To see what some have achieved shredded by a woman who cannot see that her man is still a human being not a robot to be made to provide for her needs. They came and took his house his dignity and his soul and what they gave was this lump of coal to replace the soul to run the body to feel no more. Except they didn’t have the decency to kill him this horrable villian. They could only put his ass to hard labor for being the savior of a woman who he had every right to put under but he left her alive to plunder.
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Hey, does anyone have any tricks on how to neutralise the flakiness that comes after you get the same night/first date lay? I’m tired of having a great evening with a girl only to have her not want to hang out again because we moved too quickly. And don’t say “don’t move too quickly”. I don’t spend money at the bar just to get a kiss on the cheek. lol
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Re: Susan Boyle — an amazing voice/talent can make up for a lot. No one cares how you look on the radio. I’ll take the great Allison Moyet over Britney on my Ipod any day of the week. All I care about is the music, not the dancing or looking pretty.
WRT Nicole/Character, unfortunately several things are at work.
First, there are relatively few women of good character now. Second, most men select for a floor of looks and then character. Susan Boyle would not be selected, but say the girl next door would.
What makes today different than your mother’s time, is that the power has swung nearly entirely to women in selecting. Women can and do play the field particularly in circles most professional men run in. The women available to most professional men range from “Samantha” to “Carrie” ala Sex and the City. That’s not much of a choice, but the menu from which men must choose. Divorce among the SWPL is inevitable.
Unfortunately for women, the net effect is a large group of men who have zero investment in women. What, women will continue not to sleep with them? Such situations have never worked out well.
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Well might not have a choice on stopping (company downsizing). My department is all minority and I was rated 15 out of 15 on work ethic, teamwork, and knowledge bla bla bla bla. But yea who knows what will happen. We shall see.
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Imagine getting laid off from a war zone. The horror!!!!!
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Recently heard of a man younger by a woman by about seven years wanting to seperate from her because of one issue: sex and wanting more of it with someone younger (once a week with older wife with health problems not enough.) He knew she was older when he married her.
What’s the point of marrying her, then? Sickness, health, growing old, forgotten all that? Maybe it’s just small midlife crisis hiccup. Maybe people don’t understand what ‘marry’ means.
So, I wouldn’t be surprised if she turned into merciless ice with court enabling and social expectation and retirement time occuring, even though probably too painfully nice a woman to do so.
Also heard of man dying, missing from work for two weeks, found dead and alone in appartment. After his death: they went through belongings and found huge stash of porn. Spared a thought for DA.
Gunny: Break ups are ugly (Sounds drawn out and painful) and I commend you for noble restraint of acting with violent thoughts. Though you just thinking them is scary. I should’ve really have thought about what kind of man could dwell behind the Legendary Pinky…
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Well I told her before we got married consequences of cheating. This was not a surprize to her. Also why in her mind she didn’t cheat and she had to make sure she could logically make my mind agree. Men can be somewhat logical. I could agree she did use me for resources while fucking someone else before she left. I could also somewhat agree that my dick did not touch another mans sperm. Therefore I could see how she was trying to keep me from losing all dignity in some warped fucking way. Would have been better if she wanted to leave she could have told me so. I could have lived with that much better. I let her live with ok she made some sort of effort.
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Well three years before that I had told her to leave when I saw that she was not going to be of any assistance in me meeting me goals for my life. Note: if you ever tell a woman to leave do not be convinced to stay with her. Either never utter the words or seperate.
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These goals where also known to her before we where married.
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After his death: they went through belongings and found huge stash of porn. Spared a thought for DA.
Thanks to digital technology, they’ll only find a hard drives of porn instead of stacks of magazines. Besides, if I lead a enjoyable life where I’m am able to enjoy my freedom, does it really matter if I die alone? It’s not like my genes were worth much for reproductive value… 🙂
BTW, due to some recent culling of old stuff that no longer has value, I am down to 315GB from a high of 400GB.
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What I read trumps book and came up with the original prenump no lawyers needed.
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Gunslinger, I’m hearing you. Those who’ve delved back a few years in my old blog know that at one time I considered having myself physically adjusted to accomodate my second ex. He stopped me at the point of planning that trip to Egypt.
I just don’t see how someone who ever loved someone could actually put effort into hurting someone unless they were hurt by them. People do all kinds of things in a rage…but to set out to harm someone who hasn’t tried to harm them takes a special kind of coldness.
That is something that is either genetic or well ingrained into someone’s psyche from childhood. In order to pull it off, they must feel entitled to cannibalize other human beings. I’ve learned certain cultures are more prone to this than others, so certain filters you might not use with someone raised about the same as you, should be engaged when dealing with someone from some backgrounds.
…which brings me to Whiskey’s thing about “a certain floor of attractiveness”. That’s all fine so long as you’re talking about people who haven’t been heavily programmed against nature. People have all manner of stuff in them from infancy that makes them prefer certain faces and voices over others…certain smells even. Allowing for individual sensitivities, upbringing, and availability, we’re all pretty sure what’s healthy too.
The floor of attractiveness used to cover alot wider surface area than it does today. The girl next door used to be competing with the most popular girl in her school, and the most popular girl in school’s competition was maybe Mrs. Jones. Now, the girls are all competing with Hollywood images that used to be considered “dreams” whose (VARIETY of) style one copied, not who were the measure of whether or not you should just slash your wrists and be done with it.
Even when the ideal was White, blonde, with blue eyes and big boobs, it didn’t have as much relevance in daily life as it does now. Now, all the guys want the same girls, and the others aren’t just less pretty. They’re considered less *worthy* for being less pretty.
I know not all guys are that limited, but I’m speaking in generalities and trends. It’s not that there needs to be an amount of attractiveness. It’s that there needs to be a specific template, and others who may be equally or more beautiful, are unrecognized or downgraded based on that template…which, by the way, is the Lesbian never-breeder, low-cal, vegan ideal.
This is why I say guys need to deprogram. The Lesbian attention-based slut makes an awesome whore but a crappy wife. American guys need to reestablish their category system. It hasn’t been so long ago that nobody remembers stuff guys who were born before 1955 say about women.
Hoes are supposed to be eye candy and entertainment. Your wife is supposed to look like she could have the patience and competence to breastfeed. So no matter what the ideal whore looks like, your wife shouldn’t need to look like a trend. She should look like a healthy, nurturing woman, give or take a couple points for love blindness.
One thing a guy should bear in mind is how much effort it takes to be a “10” if you’re not Finnish or something. If a woman is investing more than a certain amount of actual money and time in just her appearance (like spinning as opposed to dancing), she wants a return on her investment.
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“”””””””””””””Kthula,
I just don’t see how someone who ever loved someone could actually put effort into hurting someone unless they were hurt by them. People do all kinds of things in a rage…but to set out to harm someone who hasn’t tried to harm them takes a special kind of coldness.”””””””””””””‘
Not sure what your talking about above.
If you bring drugs to indo and they catch you they will kill you. This is not cold blooded this is just something they will not tolerate period. This is a line that will not be crossed. This is setting up a rule with a consequence that will be followed or consequence will be applied. Setting up a parameter of what is acceptable behavior.
This is a rule that can be followed:
If you do a then b will happen.
A… If you bring drugs into indo and get caught
B…. Then they will do b kill you
What we have now in us is anarchy in marriage. There is no rule except that if the woman feels like it she can fuck the man over. Now there isn’t even an applicable thing or list of things to make that happen. It is all based on the whims of a woman.
It is not if he does a she can do b
If he cheats on her and it is proven she can divorce him and take half his shit.
The above rule could be followed. You could protect yourself from this rule
Today we have
It is only she can do b She can choose to leave or stay in the house and take half or more and keep kids and take the mans money while at the same time having a boyfriend.
This second one is pure insanity. There is no a part. There is no punishment fitting a crime. No breach of contract. There is no bad faith on the mans part needed. The guy can be doing the best he can and still get fucked up. There almost no way to avoid the penalty it is not based on anything other than being alive and attempting to reproduce.
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another piece of insanity
A guy can’t pay court ordered child support or alimony.
He is thrown in jail.
How the fuck can a judges ruling be required on whether or not the guy can pay. If the guy has no income he can’t pay.
Isn’t that why welfare was created for people in bad circumstances can be helped by the gov.
No one is guarrenteed a job (well almost) but yet some judge has to hear case and a guy is supposed to somehow make the same money as when he was married. How the fuck is that even possible. Things change people do good and then they do bad then they do good. How the fuck can you remove all of a mans freedom and get away with it. Absolutely fucking mindblowing.
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Seriously how in america the place that says it has freedom are these things possible?
How can we even jokingly refer to ourselves as better than anyone else on the planet. We have become a travesty. Our laws have become the laws of slaves. Our people have become the downtrodden. Fairness nor kindness have a place anymore. How can americans looks down on anyone, anyone on this planet with any type of we are better than you thought. We have insanity for laws not justice.
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I guess it can be avoided you can not have sex or get married. I guess this was the intent wasn’t it.
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Please just take away the life and liberty part
So that I can be dead and happy and no longer see the destruction of America.
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Bhetti
My guess is that you were being sarcastic. But just in case…
Even though I am a little bit dorky (enough to create a post with all the smilies available, create a caricature of my self for my gravatar, etc.) I do OK. So I must be doing something right.
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Bhetti
I will try to find Beyond Heaving Bosoms, it sounds like fun. I will also continue my search for real heaving bosoms because there are some things we should not “get beyond.”
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Bhetti and Nicole
I have no doubt that you are telling the truth about how the issue of attractiveness looks to you. It is a meme that flows in abundance thru the culture.
But keep a few facts in mind. All over the decadent western world, in any given social environment consisting of roughly equal parts sexually competent males and females a vastly larger percent of females are sexually active than the males. This points to its corollary – that most or many guys don’t get anything no matter how much they want it.
Women in such an environment start to get sour about things when they transition to a point where they begin to notice a total lack of lust or interest emanating from men, or at least from men they could imagine being with. They feel betrayed, etc. Thing is, that is the experience of most men from the minute they start to care about wanting to be with women. They are completely invisible to women until they achieve or inherit some kind of stand out qualities/status. And for most, when they begin to get lucky, they expect to have to pay a lot, one way or the other.
In a decadent society, most men will hear your complaints as the whining of the spoiled and privileged. It is largely a waste of time.
It takes work to maintain some attractiveness? Oh, the horror of it. Most young guys would fall over with joy if they could reliably attract girls just by working at a few simple tasks like staying in shape.
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Gunny, what I was saying, in a nutshell, is that woman never loved you. She never felt for you the way you felt for her.
Some people can play at it for awhile, while the hormones are running high, but when the honeymoon is over, the only loved you like a con artist loves a sucker.
Men should be aware that women are instructed on how to play that game from childhood. Some don’t even know they’re playing it because it’s normal for them. So a guy who actually wants to love and be loved, should examine a woman’s history, and if possible, wait to commit until enough life has happened that she’s proven that she’s really capable of being in it for life.
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Rum, running and doing martial arts every day, I was still picked on every day from the age of 15-18, for being ugly.
I was basically avoided in favor of girls who were more “hot”.
The guy in that prom photo didn’t think I was good enough to marry even though I was much more conventional then than I am now.
So forgive me if what you’re saying rings a little hollow to me.
What got me through life without becoming a nun (an attractive option at times) was the ability to operate on the fringes. If it weren’t for odd people, I would still be a virgin.
What sexual attention I did get when I was younger and *extremely* fit was from guys who basically just wanted a sperm dump, and figured I’d be easier because I’m Black and relatively shy except around friends and in business.
So it’s not like I just started to think about these things in my 30’s. This is the story of my life. No matter how good I was, I was never good enough compared to Heather Locklear or whoever else was supposedly trendy to emulate in the 80’s.
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Kthula, were your romantic problems just as bad with dating black guys too, or have you preferred dating white guys from early on?
It sounds hard to believe that you have had so much difficulty with men, especially with black guys. You’re not unattractive in your photos and you seem to have a good attitude and a good head on your shoulders.
Maybe your are more mellow now than you were in your youth?
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Default: I was completely not being sarcastic but I was trying to retain some dignity and not descend into outright fawning over you. Bosoms are interestingly placed in bookstores and possibly hard to find; it still would be a fun thing for you to say it to the sales assistant. Online from your favourite retailer’s the best bet.
Rum: It was never to imply that men somehow had it better, not worse. As I’ve said, attraction to them is more complex which makes it logical that, for a man, trying to build attractiveness is more complex. Ultimately, though, the qualities men seemed to be judged by are very changeable (although rarely does a man wake up and change) while looks are fairly fixed, excluding dramatic surgery and obesity. It was interesting to discuss that it’s not an exclusively male thing to judge a woman by mostly her level of beauty as opposed to the more complex qualities men are judged by. It’s always good to remind people to be aware of the effect of beauty on their judgement. Even though people are more prone to distrust beauty, they’re also more prone to thinking a lot of other things based on it.
I’m ok-looking without having to do anything. So why put the effort in? I ain’t complaining; it’s just truly a waste of time unless it’s a special occassion 😉
At the moment, putting my energy into studying for a degree is a higher priority than spending hours curling or straighteneing the masses of my hair, applying make up, constantly plucking eyebrows, constant militant hair removal, creams and oils, anti-spots regimes. I do some of this for social acceptability and due to family/otherfemale pressures, but not to the militant and artistic complete daily habits people have. Guys have their equivalents of these.
People seem more wowed by the transformation on special occassions. It’s like their comfortable seeing me as who I am everyday, whom they find approachable, and turning out to be capable of a higher level of hotness just knocks them over even better than keeping that level of hotness constantly there. They’ve focused a little more on the merits of personality first. Wishful thinking?
All this preparation including exercise can do so much, though. If you’re not really that pretty to begin with…
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PA, Black boys didn’t look at me at all. I went to a DoDDs school in Italy where they had safety to date White girls, and that’s what all of them did. If you saw two Black people together, they were married before they got there.
So there wasn’t anyone for me to date except White guys, and I came to prefer the boyscout sort because they had balls and class in the same body. They were also the ones who weren’t calling me names and starting fights with me.
When I got back to the U.S. I found myself in a situation where White guys viewed me as a disposable target (OMG Black girl at the gym/dojo) and Black guys saw me as the woman their mom wanted them to marry. So I was perceived in the extremes of madonna and whore with very little middle ground.
So non Black guys would generally try to get into my pants right away, fail, and move on. Black guys treated me with kid gloves and ended up dumping me because I was commitment oriented, and they weren’t ready to get married.
It wasn’t until I reached an age where I was meeting Black guys who were ready to get married, that I found someone interested in being my husband. Before that, I was basically either invisible or ugly…and truth be told, the ugly is why my first husband married me.
See, when (American) guys are young, they’re operating based on their programming. If they’re not getting laid, it’s not because no woman or no beautiful women are paying attention to them. It’s because they aren’t paying attention to the women who aren’t hot.
I’ve seen this played out at almost every party I’ve ever been to. All the guys are competing for the same girls and ignoring the rest to the point that in a few cases, being the evil independent thinker, I’ve convinced the other girls to leave and go somewhere else with me, and the guys did not even notice we had left.
It is now a habit. Girls will call me from a party complaining of being bored. I’ll get my gear and go, and “swoop” a bunch of them platonically, to a scene where guys are less fucked in the head…usually with Russians.
American and americanized guys are broken.
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Judging by what you wrote, I’m glad I’m broken. To have to listen to you whine would drive me up the fucking wall.
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Bhetti, in my opinion, exercise is the one thing that really is worth it to do even if one isn’t pretty. Problem is, people think of it as something one does to burn calories, rather than engaging in activities that do more than that.
Dancing, riding an actual bicycle, martial arts, yoga, hiking, walking outside, and running are actual fun. They do more for you than burn calories, but even that in itself reduces depression. The body and mind reward a person for moving.
There are also volunteer activities and things folks can do as second jobs that will keep one active. I have an aunt who noticed she was getting depressed and chubbing out after she retired. She decided to get a part time job cleaning office buildings. They liked her because she works quickly and thoroughly, doesn’t need a guy to move stuff, and can handle a buffer well. She doesn’t need the money, but thinks it’s cool to basically get paid for working out.
Good nutrition also has a payoff that is highly personal, even if someone else doesn’t notice it. The problems, in my opinion, start when people forget the personal bit of fitness. It’s supposed to be something you do because you don’t want to die a horrible death after leading an utterly boring life…not something you do so guys will want to screw you.
Especially in the pre-programmed entitlement list U.S. where less “hotness” (can’t bring myself to call the early aging flaccid flabby hoes on a stick beautiful) = less value, a girl would do well not to consider being less of a tool in the gender apocalypse a bad thing. She should grab the chance when she encounters a guy who isn’t screwed up, but in the interim, do what makes her a healthier and happier person.
For certain, the guys who are not screwed up are looking at you when you’re actually healthy, regardless of the herd.
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DTH, this isn’t whining. This is why I fantasize about a lead dome over the entire Los Angeles/Hollywood area, and dropping a nuke into it.
Guys here discuss what’s screwed up about the U.S. and how a good man has trouble getting laid. I’m explaining one reason why: being a tool.
Tools, like any other substandard member of their species, don’t deserve sex.
It’s nature.
I’m not complaining about nature…just pointing it out.
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Bhetti
Well I am glad. I should point out that I do not play the hero because there is a limit to credulity and credibility. But I do keep the lessons in mind, don’t be boring, and don’t pretend to know about HTML.
Buying online is more convenient but does deny me the opportunity to flirt with the (hopefully female) sales assistant (if a male is in attendance I can always come back later).
That is what I would call the prom-night effect. It is like the guy that turns up to meet his prom date having only seen her in everyday attire. He sees not the cute girl, but the beautiful woman. That can be a very powerful moment. If a woman is basically attractive then very little effort can bring forth the prom effect. Of course, she does not have to be a teenager; it can work at any age. The (less pronounced) version for men is “cleans up good.”
If you are a hottie then playing it down a bit probably helps in day-to-day business. You don’t want the men you deal with to be too distracted. You don’t want the women you deal with to be too jealous.
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Actually I just skimmed over your post(s). Jailbait Gallery is open on the other tab.
If wanting a nice decent looking 18 year old woman who knows how to cook, clean and shut the fuck up means I’m broken – then I’m going to do what lots of guys do these days: find a wife from Poland or Bulgaria.
American chicks are more than broken – they are fucking worthless except for a worthless fuck.
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DTH, I don’t know what your idea of “decent looking” is, but if it’s the standard American Hollywood issue, then you’re going to fuck yourself whether you marry someone from the U.S. or Latvia.
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…which is to say, if all you see in the U.S. are worthless women, then you’re suffering from selection bias.
Even I recognize that not *all* American men are screwed up. If my mom died tomorrow, I could say with some confidence that my new stepmom would be a beautiful, quality woman.
Most of my aunts and almost all of the women my uncles and cousins have married or cohabitate with, fit that definition.
One cousin in particular got a devastatingly gorgeous “ghetto flower” who is a home making wiz, but runs her own restaurant as well, and their kids are doing great. She’s a woman I look up to.
…but I suppose being very dark skinned and having substantial boobs, she wouldn’t fit your definition of “decent looking”.
Heh…You get what you pay for, kid.
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Many American guys who “outsource” from Eastern Europe are in for a surprise when their traditional-minded atractive wife turns out to be a mercenary. Or grows profoundly unhappy and naggish due to being isolated from socializing with her same-culture friends and family.
The only Americans I’ve seen who keep their EE wives content are ones who are loaded, a bit (but not too much) on the herbish side, and let their wives spend 3-5 months out of their year in her home country.
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Yea PA kind of why I am keeping mine in her home country. I know I can’t offer her what she has there. Multiple family within walking distance. Plus I had to find somewhere to go to not see any more lawfull degradation of a people.
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I went to a DoDDs school in Italy where they [black guys] had safety to date White girls, and that’s what all of them did.
Don’t that sting? I’m asking you as the black-everywoman. You see that everywhere, not just in expat-Italy.
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Guns, is your wife Indonesian?
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PA, I can definitely understand why an EE woman would miss her home culture to the point of being unhappy. Most of what they wouldn’t like about home has to do with poverty, but if that’s solved, one starts to miss the things that the Maslow 1 and 2 issues masked.
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It doesn’t matter whether the woman in us are quality or not kthul. Guys are fucked because of insane laws that take there freedom and make them slaves. Really can’t even compare this shit to anything in history I don’t think. Where people break up a relationship but the woman can demand the relationship keep going in a monatary sense for years and years. Where is the justice. If you break up it means I never want to see you again.
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Well not technically married but commited for life. Yea she is from Indonesia.
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Yea she is from Indonesia.
What’s your experience with Asians’ attitude to whites dating Asian women?
The single Asian guys’ resentment over the competition is understandable.
But what about Asian fathers’ attitude toward the daughter dating/marrying a white guy? Is he happy with a white suitor, or is there a miscegenation taboo?
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I can definitely understand why an EE woman would miss her home culture to the point of being unhappy.
One thing I remember form 6+ years ago when I was single and chatting on Polish sites with PL women, is that tons of them, who married Dutch, German, American, Brit, etc., were itching to cheat.
They’d say things like how they miss the rich sounds of a macho rednecky Polish guy cursing or talking dirty to them in thier own language. Others missed the cultured upper class-type guys from their own countries and complained of their Western husbands being dunces.
Or a bunch of other little things, like knowing the rock songs, celebrities, the realities of riding a bus/tram through the city to shop, etc.
Not to say that some EE women don’t fall in love. But like I said, isolation from their own culture can breed loneliness and resentment, unless they guy is upper-middle class rich.
And there are also women who for one reason or another hate their families or country and want nothing more than to be away from all that. Those are also more likely to be happy with a Western husband.
Most of what they wouldn’t like about home has to do with poverty, but if that’s solved, one starts to miss the things that the Maslow 1 and 2 issues masked.
Yeah, I don’t know the Russian or Ukrainian situation too well, but east-central countires aren’t impoverished, like you said. Some differences are that a more difficult credit market means a more cash-economy. This means less debt but also less material standard of living.
Also, up until 2003 or so the exchange rate between US and a country like Poland made working illegaly in the US a very attractive prospect for young people or old uncle types who wanted to send money to their families.
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PA, but I’m not an everywoman, and especially not the Black everywoman.
My family and upbringing was the result of a mixture of cultures. How we relate to others is as Black, but we were also very much influenced by the Native American and European ancestry.
We had “dirt poor dignity” until we weren’t poor anymore, and it developed into a kind of alpha-mindedness. I have so many preachers and pastors in my family…
So we girls have a kind of preacher’s daughter thing going, but with active thwarting of sluttification. You can’t go anywhere in Charlotte and do any dirt without it getting back to them. I go home and go to a club, and have to, at this age, still go through the lecture. There is no “don’t wait up”. I’ll come home and someone will be in the den waiting to talk about my night and how Jesus feels about the one drink I had.
The ones who aren’t into Jesus will still be holding it down from a more practical perspective. From them I get race realism and the pocket sized Human, All Too Human .
So I have a unique situation that didn’t allow me the luxury of not knowing why things are the way they are. Even the Christian arm of the family is frighteningly intelligent and hard core.
So part of the reason there was more active harassment, rather than getting ignored like most of the Black girls around me in high school, is because regardless of the treatment, I did not break. They couldn’t convince me to capitulate or accept a low place in the hierarchy. Ultimately, if you ask anyone who went to school with me, “enemies” included, I broke the hierarchy by enlisting the “populace”. A few hero moves and humiliations of the “popular” later, there was glorious silence during the last few months of my senior year.
One Black girl who did capitulate later unloaded all of the horror she had been through to be considered acceptable. What’s sad is that none of the Black guys would date her either, and she was model pretty but in a real life way.
If I wasn’t sure I’d made the right decisions before, I was certain of it then. If one can’t be loved, then being feared will do.
So I’m not “everywoman”. I am Hell.
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Well when I first got there I thought I might die, but I guess I passed the test. My wifes father is dead. Her brothers seem to be fine with it.
White is right in asia. Lighter skin the better.
I don’t know about resentment. In states my asian buddy who lifted pulled some nice looking woman.
Asian are predudiced like the phillipinos vs chinese. Or what not. They are predjudiced between all the different asians. Kind of like blacks in africa are predjudiced based on color of skin as well or against other countries. People prefer their own people. Kind of like having sports teams my team is better. States is the only one where you are forced to say your team is better than my team.
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I don’t know about resentment. In states my asian buddy who lifted pulled some nice looking woman.
I see a few big-built east Asian guys (high school age) at my gym. They lift and have plenty of body mass; it’s not really a natural mesomorphic built, but lifting will get you far, even if you started out as a skinny guy. They are usually there with their white jock buddies and seem to get along very well.
It’s probably the bookish/nerdy types of east Asian guys in the US who might be more resentful of WM-AF thing.
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Default: I really didn’t think you were going to rush into a bar with waving a legal weapon going ‘Who needs rescuing? I’m fast, I’m strong, I’m fresh from the fight!’
There’re definitely advantages of playing it down.
May the Bosoms be with you.
Nicole: I’m naturally lazy and prone to low moods. I feel so much better about life, the universe and everything when I’m active, have done those push-ups and have climbed those ten flights of stairs. The low energy state is disappearing.
Nothing like getting one’s heart going. Lots of fun ways to do this.
DaTruthHurts: You know what the Arabian Gulf’s version of teaching girls how to do housework is? Hire a maid! I can do a bit of housework after being forced into a maidless state since moving to the UK but I’m not particularly skilled at it. It doesn’t seem much of an option for me in the future because, even if I moved to the Gulf, hiring a maid seems to involve depriving them of a lot of labour rights. To be fair, they did try and encourage me to do some chores and learn but there’re disadvantages to being intractably stubborn as a young one.
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Well when I first got there I thought I might die
Heh, I know a white dude — slight, very fair-skinned. Married a Mexican girl. Her situation was that she (in her own words) couldn’t stand the Mexican culture because it’s stupid and you’re expected to be pregnant by 15.
Anyway, the guy traveled to Mexico to meet her future in-laws. I’m not talking yuppie Ciudad Mexico, I’m talkin some Mestizo/Indio village where hens strut around on the kitchen table.
Anyway, the dad saw my buddy, and literally — lunged at him with a kitchen knife. Wanted to kill him. But somehow, the dude won the family over. He’s not rich either, or very alpha. More like a good guy who had been dealt some rough cards in life and has a withdrawn kind of quiet sadness about him.
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Well, PA…Eastern European guys are European. It’s hard to beat the original.
American guys should spend some time in Eastern Europe specifically because of that, in my opinion, regardless of whether they are of mostly European descent. They should travel in a way that will expand their horizons and give them a taste of the cultures that American-ness was born from.
The good things and the bad things will teach them much.
One thing I find interesting is that most EE guys have a kind of acceptance of the mercenary nature of most women…and I do believe that a good part of it is nature. At least for Russian guys, it’s fairly easy for a woman to earn dinner and trinkets and such, but it’s not so easy to earn a guy’s trust/love.
It’ll stay at the phase of strong, maybe somewhat focused interest until something clicks. I watch my friends deal with women in absolute awe sometimes…and some girls in some situations that I’m sure would have most American guys I know on their knees, even my most sucker romantic Russian friend will pass of with, “Meh,” and a shrug.
Maybe that’s what some EE women miss…having to earn more than the bare skeleton of civility from a guy, no matter how short her skirt is.
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My half asian cousins seem to do fine with woman. Is it really that hard to get one. The hard part is getting a good one. I think my first had certain things going as far as character like she didn’t rope me with a kid. So she obeyed my wishes. She was just more of a pure housewife and could be a friend but not what I needed at the time. She had no desire to beat the game. Just a desire to play the game forever.
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Yea PA on the lunging lol
Her family was down for me the first day. It was the locals who did the testing.
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Good to be the minority and bad to be the minority. If a lot moved there it might unbalance and then you might have like borneo where people got eaten. Nice to have seen a different world. I guess if I end up dieing there I’d just like to be buried in the backyard. Not gonna lie this is a possiblility. Why basically they made a law where if the woman gets married to outsider then she moves out. Guys can marry foreigners and stay. I mean picture a ton of white guys with money moving in. Then you would probably have some issues. Now just one they might be able to overlook or maybe not. I guess I will find out.
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So I’m not “everywoman”. I am Hell.
Ha, Kthula, now I know why I always thought you were cool — you remind me of the character Bertha in “Two and Half Men.”
She’s Charlie Sheen’s character’s housekeeper. A tough salty broad with earthy gallows-humor wisdom and no patience for milquetoasty men.
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Who else predicts epic fail from this?
The Cougar Brings New Twist to Reality Dating Shows
http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/405168_tvgif15.html
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Stacy Anderson (the Cougar) would be a hot lay. As far as that goes, she does have serious cougar appeal. At 12-14 I dreadmed of women like her. Sometimes snuck peeks down their blouses in unguarded moments.
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dreadmed
Dreamed. Just a typo. No freudian double-entandre intended.
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Yeah, I just looked at some of her pics. Smokin’.
Still, of the small fraction of 20- to 25-year-old dudes who pass muster for attractiveness, what percentage are going to be on because
1) they think it’s a joke;
2) they’re on a dare; or
3) they’re going after a hot lay.
I daresay there won’t be a single one of them who’s interested in a relationship with The Cougar. Again, these dudes are heavily screened first for hotness (this is TV, after all) and desirability first. Their first choice in the real world won’t be a 40-year-old.
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I’m with you JAM. To a younger guys she’s just a hot lay. But a younger guy who’d want a ‘relationship’ with her is the kind of a guy who doesn’t mind being some sugarmommy’s boytoy.
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They dudes on The Cougar are all probably aspiring actors or male models and they want the TV exposure.
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Just maxes prediction coming true older woman trying to reel in a younger man to have a kid with so those child support dollars can be rolling in till they are 60.
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Paying child support to mom at 40 when shes 60 now that will be brutal.
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Yup!
Someone posted an article recently about a cougar-younger man speeddating event that couldn’t find enough men to participate.
Now this event will draw in a much larger pool of men, and there is only one (really hot) cougar…. but there’s going to be some hilarious delusion-smashing that will happen. Who exactly gets disillusioned depends on when the enterprise fails (i.e., in the testing stage or in front of the audience of aging fashionista SWPLs). At least until the cognitive dissonance is dealt with by blaming men in some way over a bucket of Haagen-Dazs.
It’s funny. I know quite a lot of women in the medical profession, and the one’s who’ve achieved high status (director of hospital, etc) are almost to a woman single and childless. They’re refrain is:
“I got the car, the money, the house, the bling, the status… but why can’t I get a man?” And then the kicker: “Men must not be confident.”
The most hilarious are the gynecologists who are faced with what they’re missing everyday.
One of these days I’m going to reply: “I don’t understand why you can’t get a nice girl. Oh, you want a MAN. Well then I can’t help you.” I will laugh all the way home as I’m politely asked to leave the cocktail party.
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BTW: These women are at the youngest in their early 40s, most early 50s
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American guys should spend some time in Eastern Europe specifically because of that, in my opinion, regardless of whether they are of mostly European descent.
I thought they don’t like the dark people east of the Oder River…
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nah, it’s just the odor of the Oder…
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I thought they don’t like the dark people east of the Oder River
Tourists and visitors are well liked as long as they act like tourists and visitors: take some pictures, buy some souvenirs, make some nice & thoughful SWPL-ish observations about “the culture,” and then get the fuck back home.
Kind of like visitors at your house.
Incidentally, there was a Moroccan music group that toured east of the Oder. One guy went to a small-town disco and got grabby with the girls and mouthy with the guys. He wound up dead. He must have mistaken the local men for Swedes.
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JAM: You could also be honest. My mother ran a practice in her twenties so that situation is possible. I’m sure if it was a twenty-five year old director of a hospital…
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Still funny though jam.
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“””””PA,
He must have mistaken the local men for Swedes.””””””””
lol
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Yea PA I try not to piss on the culture of where I go. I try to be friendly and good. lol
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That’s how it works, Gunner. Even in a crazy tribal place like Afghanistan you’ll be well-treated, dined, and protected if you are perceived as a guest and not an invader.
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Tourists and visitors are well liked as long as they act like tourists and visitors
The only reason I’d visit east of the Oder is just for country counting purposes.* While the cities are beautiful, the trains are still ugly, and Eastern Europe has crap for highways…
OTOH, I’d love to visit Moscow and St Petersburg at some point in my life, but only with a Russian-speaking escort…
*My friend went to Slubice, Poland last summer on his semester abroad trip and he described it as a bleak place that seemed to fufill Soviet bloc stereotypes. The only reason he bothered was because of the cheap regional train from Berlin to Frankfurt (Oder) which is across the river from Slubice. Personally, I would have picked somewhere a bit more substantial like Szczecin…
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Something tells me if Kthul where in charge men would be tied in chairs and forced to have sex with certain woman. Little scary but yea cool. 🙂
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David, some don’t, but from what I’ve seen, the racism isn’t exactly racism, but elitism and fear of the unknown. If you’re brought into the scene by locals then folks will be more comfortable with you. Allow your companions to help you filter out the hoes until you recognize the uniform.
Take care, by the way, that whatever class you’re brought into, if you’re there longer term, you’ll be expected to stick to that class. For instance, let’s say you’re taken in by a fairly progressive Catholic family’s men. You’ll be expected to limit your wife hunting to “your own kind” which will mean Catholic women of a similar socioeconomic class. You’ll be accused of slumming if you do otherwise, or worse, go with another ethnicity altogether, even though you yourself are Black.
If you date outside, you’ll get prying comments from your stand-in parents or most paternal type friend like, “You are not that desprate…You can find a good Catholic girl whose parents won’t mind your being foreign/Black…”
There are “high people” and “low people” regardless of their income though, which is sometimes tough for an American to navigate.
I’m not even in EE, but have EE friends who, if I’m in a club and I a guy is looking at me who happens to be Kafkazi, I will get the cage of cock blockedness sprung up around me. If they’re “village” it won’t be a spring action, but there’s a definite hydraulic hiss.
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Trains in Poland — yeah, they still have those commie-era trains. They are slow unless intercity express. I liked their six-person compartments, and the fact that you can open the windows, smoke (at least back when I rode them in 2001) and buy beer. Admittedly, at night, I had to be careful to sit near the conductors as robberies by local youths were sometign to be careful of.
Slubice — dude, that’s an ugly place. I used to drive thru there when I used to fly in to Berlin and then rental car drive to Poznan & Warsaw. It’s so ugly because it was pretty much a military garrison all through the Cold War. Even the landscape is barren due to the forests being cut down for military excercises.
Even though the Satellite countries were part of the same Warsaw Pact alliance, there was a barely-suppressed all-out war that was itching to happen between countries like Hungary and Romania.
In Poland’s case, East Germany had serious revanchist intents on re-taking Silesia and Pomerania from Poland, which were German before WW2. Hence, in part, the massive military presence on the Oder. It wan’t just to ward off the “American Imperialist Pigs.”
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Frankfurt good place quite talking about germany. The pure whiteness will blind you.
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“American Imperialist Pigs.”
And didn’t it turn out to be true. The bastards are promoting divorce everywhere. It is the new empire crushing phenomena.
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Gunny, no way would I want to force anyone to have sex with anyone they don’t want to. That would be circumventing nature.
Once I knew my place in the scheme of things, I adjusted my game accordingly. Nobody can say that I held them back or kept them from getting anything they wanted. They only have themselves to blame for anything that ever happened to them.
I have friends from high school who are guys who rejected or ignored me. One in particular was left by his hoe of a “wife” with three kids. He has done a terrific job because he was a terrific guy, but his selection criteria was screwed.
I watch him as both a cautionary tale, and as evidence that what I thought was hot then, was on the money. The guy is a walking, talking god on earth. He wasn’t made for whores. It’d have been nice if he realized that while he had my focused interest.
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Gunny says, “The bastards are promoting divorce everywhere. It is the new empire crushing phenomena.”
I can believe that…not just divorce but a removal of love and loyalty from the romantic equation. There’s a half joke here that, “The men all want a supermodel, and the women all want a millionaire.”
Creating unhappiness is how it’s done. People are convinced that what they have isn’t good enough, and that there is a shortcut to a better life by exploiting others.
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Creating slaves is how its done. My friends and I where just laughing about that shit. I brought up the we are about to get laid off from a warzone. Yea and people are scared of being let go from here lol. I mean christ where looking around no grass no trees nothing but bleary nothingness and prison walls and sand. Laughing our asses off at the irony.
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Re: Trains in Poland
Just a quick look at the European Railway Server’s list of Polish rolling stock pretty much illustrates that with the exception of a handful of recently ordered rolling stock, Poland’s stuff is basically Soviet-era railway stock. I’d make an argument that our thirty year old Swedish derived AEM-7s on Amtrak are generally much better and more powerful than anything currently operating on Polish Railways. Hell, at least we could squeeze out 125 mph out of them on the Northeast Corridor…
Oddly, I’d much rather have the open cars in lieu of compartments. The idea of staring at somebody in a cage with several other people feels so primitive. As for smoking, while it’s banned on Amtrak, at long station stops, the conductors will basically tell everybody to get their cigarette breaks.
And beer can make a long train ride better. 🙂
Re: Driving in Poland
Why would you even bother with that option? As much as I like roadgeeking, driving thru Poland on a bunch of two lane Communist-era engineered roads with limited highway stretches doesn’t seem ideal. Even with all the EU funds Poland has received, I’d rather take my chances in Hungary or the Czech Republic…
East Germany had serious revanchist intents on re-taking Silesia and Pomerania from Poland, which were German before WW2
Maybe they should give it back. The residents get German passports and German welfare. 🙂
Regardless, is there anything worth of value in Szczecin? It’s the only decent sized Polish city close enough to Berlin that I could use for country-counting purposes.
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If you’re brought into the scene by locals then folks will be more comfortable with you.
If I travel, I generally plan on doing so alone to make planning easier. In other words, I can spend all day riding trains without worrying about somebody complaining. The downside is that it can be a bit lonely at times, and it makes eating at a restaurant somewhat awkward.
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I don’t know Szczecin, never been there. I once knew a girl from that city, and she was very proud of the city’s charm. Just checking out city photos on Google, it seems liek a nice enough city. Has that old style German architecture common to Baltic coastal cities.
Roads in Poland are a mixed bag. On major rural stretches you’ll have a two-lane road with serviceable shoulders. When I drove there a lot (1997-2001) it was customary for the slower car to move over to teh shoulder so the faster car can pass. The passing car would then flash its hazard lights as a “thanks” gesture.
What’s a trip — and I’ve done this — is when you are passing a truck, and going the otehr way, a truck is passing a truck. You miss each otehr by inches. My American friends were not amused.
You used to be able to bribe cops out of tickets, but that’s not possible anymore, with the anti-corruption and all.
One fun thing is checking out the tractor trailers on the major E-W route (Warsaw-Slubice). I liked to count the national tags. From my recollection… UA: Ukraine; RU: Russia; BE: Belarus. It’s neat to see an exotic tag from a much more distant country, like Kazakhstan or Mongolia.
Once, when fueling up at a gas station, I had Moldovan guys asking mew if I’ll sell them my rental car for drugs. That’s what I inferred they meant. They spoke Russian, which I understand but with difficulty.
Good times. By one American buddy was shitting his shorts by that point. Those guys were big.
By the way — Lithuania has excellent roads.
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Bhetti
>JAM: You could also be honest. My mother ran a practice in her twenties so that situation is possible. I’m sure if it was a twenty-five year old director of a hospital…
And you can read what I said, lol.
Running a practise (even if it’s well-run in a nice area) merely means that you have a license to hang a shingle. I know lots of women in that position who have managed to balance work and family (often through family medicine group practises).
The women I’m talking about are the ones who’ve gone after *high* status. Director of the hospital, Chief of Surgery at a busy hospital, Head of Oncology, etc. Those are the ones who thought they could have it all and now never will.
It takes time to build yourself up to director of the hospital. Here in Canada, you don’t graduate from specialty residency until your early thirties… and that assumes that you’ve gotten in to med school immediately after your undergrad Bachelor’s (a requirement here). Many end up doing a Master’s first. By the time you’ve climbed up the ladder (even if you’ve raced up it) you’re in your early- to mid-40s at a *small* hospital.
And if you decide to save a few years by going the family medicine route, the Hospital Director route is a path you’re not travelling.
My buddy who’s a Gen Sx does the best impression of these women. He says the following in a Compton-rapper drawl: “I got da car, da money, da house, da bling, da bitches, da hoes… why can’t I get a maaaayaan?”
Of course if by some miracle some woman actually became hospital director at age 25, she won’t actually have time to meet anyone from the general population… and everyone at work she meets will be below her in the hierarchy. The question she will then ask will be: “I got da car, da money, da house, da bling, da bitches, da hoes… why can’t I get a maaaayaan?”
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Another cool thing roadwise in Poland: passengers can drink in the car.
But there is a zero-BAC law for the driver, so you can’t drive even after one beer.
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expoting dui too funny
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To throw a positive note the majority of my relatives are still married. I guess I may be somewhat jaded from the 8 billion people I have talked to who are not.
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Re: Women in Medicine.
Up until the 1970s, women were at a steady 10% of US Med School classes. They had it pretty good. Classmates lined up to date them and they generally married other Docs. Then, the percentage of females rapidly increased to 40,50, 60%. At first things were pretty OK because of all the male Docs who were in the “pipeline”. Women did not notice their classmates not dating them if the Housestaff were. So, for a good long time being a female Doc looked like dating heaven.
But reality caught up somewhere in the mid 90s. The ratio had gone from 9:1 to 1:1 thru out the system. And the men were more pussified in many cases and/or openly gay.
Since womens instincts direct them strongly towards men at or above their status level, and since these changes eventually kiiled off that sort of man, it dawns on them at around 30 or so that if they want a spouse they will have to pay for it. A house husband for a while followed by single parenthood.
However, if you happen to be one of the surviving guys…
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@rum,
or a good long time being a female Doc looked like dating heaven.
It was never “dating heaven”. Both the men and women in those days were extremely driven and socially awkward. Unlike the easy admits of today, it was fiercely competitive to get into medical school. There was little time for dating as an undergrad. The men regarded the women as odd, which they mostly were. The women sought only to know the men as “friend or foe.” ie. “Do you resent my being here or not?. ” The majority of men and women married partners they had met as undergrad and very little new dating occurred in med school.
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Gunslinger:
Creating slaves is how its done. My friends and I where just laughing about that shit. I brought up the we are about to get laid off from a warzone. Yea and people are scared of being let go from here lol.
Gunslinger, can you speak the Indonesian?
Your wife is living in Indonesia, right?
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PA
You’re making Eastern European women sound like absolutely dreadful marriage choices for American men.
I’ve little doubt that having a fair bit to a lot of scratch is usually quite important when a girl decides to leave her homeland for a foreign land she’s always heard is richness itself. But the rest of it, especially 3-5 months out of the year, year in and year out, for her back in the old country is about the least reasonable thing I’ve ever read about in marriage requirements.
I suspect a large quantity of beers at that moment PA. 😉
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Just
Kinta Kamo Banyak
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PA:
Many American guys who “outsource” from Eastern Europe are in for a surprise when their traditional-minded atractive wife turns out to be a mercenary. Or grows profoundly unhappy and naggish due to being isolated from socializing with her same-culture friends and family.
The only Americans I’ve seen who keep their EE wives content are ones who are loaded, a bit (but not too much) on the herbish side, and let their wives spend 3-5 months out of their year in her home country.
PA, you have commented on this thread, extensively, on your interactions with Polish women in their country and in the US.
Your statement would be more convincing if you followed your own advice.
That said, the attitudes of women in America have been heavily distorted by one-sided divorce laws. When one side has greater power, it affects their attitudes, a little or a lot. And women have been given a lot of power through divorce. Up to and including ignoring jury trials… or even trials… before imprisoning men for failure to pay child-support. And yeah, just throwing away the whole court system is an extreme act.
It makes sense that foreign wives would begin to be affected by this culture when they move here. However, they have still been ‘deprived’ of it for 18+ years.
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Rum
> However, if you happen to be one of the surviving guys…
Then you date nurses, or OT/PT, or speech language pathologists, or whoever. Seriously, the SWPL-ification of the women in medicine (at least in Canada) has to be seen to be believed. But I got a good one on my terms, so a decent one isn’t *impossible* to find 😉 Ironically, the typical alpha doctor doesn’t go for a female doctor (or at least one who is overly focussed on career), though there are exceptions.
Anyonymous:
> Unlike the easy admits of today, it was fiercely competitive to get into medical school. There was little time for dating
“Those durn whippersnappers! Golly, when *I* was apprenticed to a barber to learn surgery, I walked backwards in snow both ways to get the to hospital. I mean barbershop. And dagnabbit, I work on the front line while those pansy-ass pathologists, radiologists and orthopods don’t even do housecalls.”
Med school (again I speak from Canadian experience, maybe it’s different where you are from) is *incredibly* difficult to get into. Of those who even think about applying (and the very high minimum grade requirements are common knowledge), only 10% get a spot in September.
Re: marriage, I’ve seen stats from NorAm (from recent decades back when medicine was masculine), where female doctors who actually married went on to marry their physician colleagues at 70-80% rates. I’ll bet your experience, where the friends you know married outside medicine, is atypical.
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JAM: I meant a vet. practise, not sure how high status that might be. From the cougar comments, thought you were talking about age keeping the men away, not status? Is it status or the personality required to acheive it that’s repellant?
Rum: Please don’t tell me my mother has pushed for medical school under the assumption I’d be outnumbered by males.
It’s now or never, eh? The woman’s always telling me to find one (oh poor, unsuspecting man) before I graduate.
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Doug, nah, no beers. Gotta be more or less sober around the clock at this point in time.
But that’s about the deal with marrying EE women as an American. You can’t break their need to socialize in familiar circles, that’s common to all women. And most women need to stay close to family.
Again, I’ve seen a number of American/Polish marriages (of AM-PF as well as PM-AF) and the common factors of successful Am. M / Pl. F ones include:
1- The guy is very comfortably middle class, is safely “herbish” but has enough natural Game to not have her contempt, and she gets to stay with family back at home for a significant stretch of time
2- The woman for one reason or another has bad ties with her family and has very negative feelings about her country, and has little desire to stay in touch with the culture. This was comon during communism, which accounts for girls eloping with foreign student to Syria or Ghana, never to be heard from again, btw.
3- They are socially connected to Polish-speaking couples or has compatriot girlfriends nearby.
There could be situations whan none of the above applies if their personalities really click, or he has outstanding LTR game, or she met him here at a young enough age (late teens).
Those aren’t etched in stone rules, just what I’ve observed. Makes sense when you figure in human nature. Imagine American guys marrying FOB Asian women for example. What’s the success rate there? In personal observation, I’ve recorded 0-3. Two nasty divorces and one abandonement by the wife.
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Comment: I’m not sure what you mean by me following my own advice.
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fob?
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FOB: Fresh off the Boat
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oh military style?
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FOB is a general slang for immigrants (usually Asians for some reason) who aren’t familiar with the American culture.
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I mean you deliberately sought out Polish women when in America. That you visited Eastern Europe. That you bothered to become an ‘expert’ on it.
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Oh, I never claimed to be an expert. I give general rules based on my observation and acknowledge that exceptions are possible.
Me personally, I didn’t seek out EE women. I met mine by chance; though this happened after and during my having dated several EE women that I did seek out during a period of my live when I got a good handle on Game.
I am originally from Poland. I came to the US in my early teens and I speak my native language fluently and without a foreign accent.
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On balance, American girls/women are an overwhelming majority of women I’ve dated and slept with. For the most part, I had very good experiences with them, though the oldest one I ever dated was 26.
The most evil vampire I ever dated (if the soul-fuck can be called “dating”) was Polish. That was before I had a handle on Game 😦
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lol fresh off the boat. Yea I don’t know I looked at what my woman had there and tried to be realistic. She does say she will go wherever I go. So far I have seen pretty good percentages on asian marriages.
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What I have noticed regarding dating and Med School is that pre-med students are generally socially retarded because the competition for admission is fierce and relentless. Few kids have enough time for the studying required and serious partying. In the US, in addition to grades, getting ones undergrad degree in no more than 4 years is stressed. It shows the ability to manage a heavy course load. Once admitted, however, things are different. Most Med Students eventually adapt to not being able to make the best grades no matter how hard they study (a cruel, unavoidable fact) and start to relax a little. I see most of them actually becoming much more extroverted and social.
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PA
Yeah. That’s how I’d want to work it. That or she really wanted out of dodge, though that MIGHT bring it’s own issues.
Months of her back home without me, year after year, isn’t something I’d even remotely consider. Now a one off especially if say her father died and her mother needed comforting and help arranging things or some such would be different.
I’d say any man who would accept a yearly months back in the home country for his wife without him arrangement wouldn’t get much respect from me.
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Months of her back home without me, year after year, isn’t something I’d even remotely consider.
You shouldn’t have to. I wouldn’t. I do know one such couple though, where she spends months there at a time and he visits briefly.
The main point though is to be ralistic about who you’re marrying, what her motivations are in marrying you (are you Mr. Comfortable middle class American life I can brag about to my girlfriends but otherwise a guy I am happily settlingn for?) and how things will be once the exotic appeal wears off.
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And of course, if she would even entertain the thought of being away from you for that long, that alone should be a red flag.
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Rum —
Listening to what you’ve said, I would guess that the best course for a US male med student of higher beta bordering on lesser alpha abilities would be to learn some game and bed some female med students, or other students in his Uni, without spending too much time on that, with a view to finding one to shack up with but not marry through med school. Mutual support, loving affection, and sex.
Maybe shack up with an intern during that phase as well when he’s pulled to that different city, due to no time to date.
Then into residency in his late twenties and early thirties, with it’s growing status and some more time, he can work hard on his game (to supplement the relationship game he’s been honing since early med school) and date hot early twenties.
Pull a 24yo hottie in a different field, but a professional working girl, for a prenup marriage when he’s about 35.
What say you Rum?
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Has that old style German architecture common to Baltic coastal cities.
It’s interesting that you consider the Baltic Coast to be “German”, while my German friend views Eastern Germany as land populated with German-speaking Slavs.
Re: Roads in Poland
At least your roads have shoulders. Even here in the states, you’ll find state roads that are in awful state with no shoulders.
You used to be able to bribe cops out of tickets, but that’s not possible anymore, with the anti-corruption and all.
Somehow, I find that to be very reassuring for the future of your country and it’s people. I wish Haiti could progress to that stage…
But there is a zero-BAC law for the driver, so you can’t drive even after one beer.
Despite NYS’s .08 BAC law, I generally prefer to be fully sober before driving.
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I am struggling with accepting this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5182492/Beer-goggles-idea-is-a-myth-claim-scientists.html
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Your scheme makes a lot of sense from a RoissyWorld perspective. However, I have seen very, very few examples of this in real life. There is a certain amount of casual/shacking-up relationships but probably less than for most age matched groups. There are multiple reasons for this.
I general, I do not believe in trying to plan ones life in such a calculated fashion. It will never turn out how we imagine and so much stress can be avoided by going easy on expectations.
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No why did the end explain it all. It is about men not having an excuse of why she was young. Then woman are let off the hook with they didn’t know.
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Probably true rum I did have expectations my first time. Then the second now has exceded my original expectations but I just commited for life period. No expectations except love.
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Rum–
Here’s what I tend to do Rum, on big things that matter a lot to me. First, understand that there’s a whole lot of things I just play by ear and do what feels right.
But on other things I tend to do some research, learn some things, make some medium level detail plans — and then in the event play it totally by ear. Or almost. But informed by what I’ve learned in the plan making phase.
For example that’s what I do for any big deal vacation. There are shorter vacations I’ve done that have had not so much planning because they were basically just decompression vaca’s. But not so often. The experience the world vaca’s I like to do I always plan in some detail. The planning gets me to do reseach. That makes me aware of alternatives.
Then I NEVER follow the medium level detail plan completely. I go with a studied up on it flow. (Note – I’ve sometimes delegated this research to my woman. Only after she’s had me do it first though because I want a high level of detail learning to maximize the experience.)
Well, that’s just me.
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Bhetti–
It’s not that hard for me to accept. I’m not saying I do accept it, since it runs counter to a lot to the contrary. It just doesn’t much rock my world if it’s true.
The common formulation is that alcohol lowers inhibitions. I.e. it suppresses the superego while allowing the id to roar. Or deadens the rational and culture mirroring frontal cortex while leaving the sex drive bearing limbic hind brain less affected.
So maybe drunk men know she’s nothing to brag about, but also don’t give a shIIte cause she’s willing right then and there, no time delay, to be shagged. And besides he figures his buds are stupefied too. And there’s this male code of the “yeah but he was hammered” pass.
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Bhetti
I am automatically skeptical of any “study” about such a subject these days. The matriachy and its fellow travelers are putting a lot of effort into selling guys on the idea that they should want to sleep-with & marry women whose looks are mostly gone. Like, “Marry one now or you will miss your chance.” Whatever. It is transparent.
A few generations ago society worked at making young men seem suitable & attractive to even younger women. It was always unnecessary to worry about the obverse. They were much more aware of the possibility of social break down in the Olde Days.
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Rum–
Yes.
And this new “cougar” reality show that Fox is apparently about to debut is right in line with this.
The reality is it’s a tiny phenomenon. The Feminist left badly wants to push it.
My feeling is it’s something some young higher beta guys can use to their advantage, but it’s social acceptance is yet another problem for marriage.. I.e. net, net, I’m against not ridiculing such women.
Give divorce funded women social permission to slut around with young higher beta guys, without suffering any slut opprobrium, and you’re upping the American female empowered no fault divorce stats another 10% or more.
I’d be a lot more relaxed about all of this if men didn’t always have to pay.
How about this? No child support except as agreed to by written contract. This would apply whether the child bearing couple are married or not married. No giving to the wife the husband’s money on divorce either, unless he agreed by written contract. Marriage is no written contract whatsoever, only a love commitment.
How about that, in this age of equal female earning opportunities?
Think in a non knee jerk reaction way about what social effects those changes would have.
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Doug, for an old childless bachelor, you sure have a thing about child support.
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Anyway, if nobody got CS except by written contract, in no time at all, we’d have a boilerplate one-size-fits-none contract signed off by delirious couples about a million times a day.
“Do you, Ed, promise not to let your offspring by this woman, Sharon, starve in the streets, even if she pisses you off?”
Oh, wait! That’s like “marriage!”
Till death do us part! (or till you get fat.)
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Anonymous coward–
I’ve had many loves and have one I live with now. I did decide after my (sexless wife) reasonably early divorce to never marry again, except under the most unusual of circumstances, which I never remotely looked for. I hardly decided to never love again, and have loved and been loved several times since, and in between played sexually a whole lot, as I did before marriage.
Thank you for your interest.
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Anonymous Coward–
Yes, they’d be some of that. And a whole lot, a large majority, of not that.
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Anony
When there are small children involved divorce, if it happens, is initiated about 90% of the time by the wifey. Usually for no specific reason. Translation: “I think I can find a better man.”
In practice men hardly ever completely leave a woman because she gets fat because they usually are not the ones to leave, for any reason.
Besides, if wives were actually concerned about this they might try a radical solution: Do not get any fatter at a given age than a wealthy woman of your grandmothers generation. Because we are all wealthy by historical standards. Or maybe your “genes” have mutated drastically in 2 generations.
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I mean, look at photos of crowds of young women coming out of defense plants in WW2. They ALL looked like Kate Moss. Look at a crowd of 50s moms at a school play. Dam few fatties.
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So? A man should leave a bitch for getting too fat. Failing to do this is just laziness, passivity.
Who cares about “love?” What a useless idea. It means whatever you want it to mean, till you decide it doesn’t mean that anymore.
Kids, though. That’s where the rubber really meets the road. Who is going to pick up the tab for rearin’ em?
Show me a society that doesn’t make Daddy do it most of the time, and I’ll show you a bunch of naked savages.
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Anonymous
Show me a society that gives women affirmative action in all the most desirable high earning and cushy jobs and I’ll show you a departure from all human history. Such a society is all about a quasi religious fetish and not at all about power realities.
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Damn few women grossing the equivalent of over $100K themselves either.
Everything has a trade-off. If women, en masse, left the workforce, many of us would be left to rely on our looks to survive.
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Lessee here. Annoying PC groupthink versus tribal warfare, malaria, and shitting in the woods.
Yeah, gonna have to go with the lesser of two evils here. Where do I sign up for the diversity workshop?
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Nicole
Women should be en mass permitted to be discriminated against in the workforce by men (or women) who wish to do so. For rational or irrational reasons.
I’m just coming to this view. I could yet be persuaded against. But I think it’s correct. Why? Soft affirmative action for men. A social good. I’ve said why before. I will again if asked. Not right now.
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Anonymous, the problem is that society isn’t making people pull their weight anymore, so now the legal system has to do it. If people were raised to be responsible, you’d have alot more guys offering above-obligatory child support, and alot more women doing what my grandma did, and telling her first “husband” to go screw himself and his fucked up family, shoving his money up his ass, and if he goes deep enough, he might even find his balls.
I think women were more independent back in the 50’s than now, despite the hype to the contrary.
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Doug, if men aren’t raised to be men, then what difference does it make if the pussy working for you is literal or figurative?
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“Society” and “the legal system” are really overlapping ideas, not entirely separate entities.
Mobile society, tenuous family ties, low birth rates, and general prosperity are going to produce the sort of thing we see now, regardless of external forms, far as I can figure.
Hell, we’ve already got pre-nups, which hardly anyone outside a certain social set uses, as it is.
You’d think if some kind of massive MRA-styled discontent with marriage/divorce/CS was a fact and not a fantasy, there’d be pre-nup counters at every WalMart every April through July.
Or throngs of 20-year-old dudes storming the local urologist: “MY BODY MY CHOICE. SNIP SNIP SNIP!”
But no, the guys either father their pups through unbuffered ol’ marriage, or father them out of wedlock and just figure the damages later.
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Which, of course, amounts to the same thing. Goes without saying.
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Nicole
Oh come here and get kissed you bitch.
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Anonymous, the problem of guys being pussies causes lots of problems, including blindly walking into marriage and breeding without thought to the possibilities. What pussification does, depends on the guy and how he was brought up. Sometimes it makes walking dildoes, and sometimes walking credit cards. Both of those extremes of unmanliness suck.
By the same, women being pussies and hoes is a bad thing too. People need to grow up to be responsible adults who can handle life, and don’t need the government to enforce what ought to be social standards.
As it is, we have a nation of wimps marrying whores, and being a wimp or a whore is normalized. Women are being raised to think it’s okay to be mercenary, and men are being raised to favor mercenary women.
…but then, I don’t even know that “mercenary” is the right term. If you pay an actual mercenary to do a job, he/she will do it. Most American women don’t even think that sex in a marriage is obligatory, and that if she doesn’t want to do it, she should free him to find someone who does. They actually think a guy should be exclusive when she’s only giving it up a a few times a year.
Then, child support isn’t really given the case-by-case and situation flexible attention it deserves. It’s way too easy for whoever has custody to manipulate the system to suit their greed and/or desire for revenge.
I have no sympathy for people who make babies and then bitch about the costs…but far too many people are paying a cost that is unreasonable because of laws that were made to enforce responsibility.
Responsibility can’t be enforced. Putting a guy in jail won’t grow his testicles or make him a responsible father. If you’ve got too many irresponsible moms and dads in your country, laws aren’t going to fix that.
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Doug, don’t tease me. It’s been awhile, and I’m very volatile. 😉
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No shit, right. The law is pretty much only as good as the average citizen it applies to. Now that’s something to hang your hat on.
Don’t think we’re going to have cohesive social standards till your average jane and joe quit moving around like pawns on a big game of global chess, though. It’s all part of the same shitty game.
If you don’t like your life, try somewhere (someone) else.
Maybe that’ll fix it! Yeeah! The law is about the only thing big enough to chase you down, and even it can be gamed.
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Anyway, the bottom line is the the State is gonna run this role till it just runs out of gas. I figure, another 30 years, tops? It’s already starting to show sizeable cracks around the edges of its hegemonic powah.
Once it collapses I think we’ll see something a lot more clan-based, a lot more “traditional” when it comes to sexual morality.
Less Family Court, more family meddling.
The latter model can be hilariously cruel, capricious, and unfair in individual cases. But, on the whole, where it counts for culture-building, it will be a massive improvement over what we have now.
Still, that day will come too late for most of us.
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Most American women don’t even think that sex in a marriage is obligatory, and that if she doesn’t want to do it, she should free him to find someone who does.
Maybe this is a legacy of my Catholic schooling, but I’ve always felt that if sex has dried up in one’s marriage, the two choices are to either deal with the issue by not having sex or jerking off, or the dissolution the marriage. The clunky setup of cheating spouses seems like a half-assed solution that defeats the entire purpose of a monogamous marriage.
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I’ve said it many times, and I’ll say it again :
Anyone who thinks a woman is owed alimony (even if cloaked under a bloated child-support payment) after divorce essentially believes that women are inferior to men.
Period.
If women are equal, then why can’t they make it on their own without alimony?
That is why feminists are THE most hypocritical group on Earth. Bar none.
Men, however, are stupid too, to let feminism get this far. We have ‘Tea-Party” gatherings to protest taxes and socialism. Why aren’t men gathering to protest unfair divorce laws? Men should gather peacefully for this purpose. Sure, feminazis and SWPL Beta male faggots will oppose this. But this issue will unite men across all races and income brackets. This is the best way to peel off black and Hispanic men from SWPL lefty faggotism. Women who are staunch conservaties will join too, as will *some* mothers and sister of ruined men.
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Tood, I agree about the inflated child support and alimony, especially when the father is involved and still actually supporting the kids. IMO, whoever has primary custody, in normal cases, should be getting the equivalent of the cost of competent daycare.
For disabled kids, things are a bit more complicated, but not by much. They need at least one active parent in the home, so someone has to offset the cost of one parent or the other needing to be at home or hire full time care.
Unless there’s abuse going on though, involvement beats monthly payments. The sick truth about why not enough guys are fighting the unfairness is that too many of them would rather send monthly payments than actually be around.
It’s another reason why the laws themselves are damning evidence of the society breaking down. Nobody should have to tell a man to help foot the bills for his kids.
A few days ago, I saw an episode of Dr. Phil where a guy who “abandoned” his family for 17 years was reunited with them. The mom basically kicked him out and told him he was a bad influence on the kids. At the time he was drinking alot and doing drugs. He lost his job and didn’t have a way to pay for anything for himself, and was actually homeless.
The mom was still threatening him through his family, and pressing the court for back child support. She totally poisoned the daughter’s mind against him, and they blame him for the son’s suicide at 23, many years after he’d already left. The son killed himself because he had blown a bunch of money on drugs and was about to get caught by the cops.
The mom supposedly cheated on him with his friend…perhaps understandable under the circumstances, but yet another reason a guy would probably say “fuck it” and disappear if he was already messed up.
They’re all angry with him (except Dr. Phil, who wants him to take responsibility but not be a sucker, since he likely got the distinct impression that this was all about the money and mom’s martyr complex), but I’m like…What the hell do they want from this guy? He was a drunk and a drug addict, and then homeless. If living in the woods is what keeps him sane and relatively healthy, then they should probably have let him do whatever it was he needed to do to survive.
It seemed really crappy that they’d apparently rather have him paying but alienated from his kids.
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Bhetti
I think the real message we are supposed to get from the “study” is given in the last two paragraphs:
This is more of the older men should not be attracted to late-teen women idea.
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Apropos of nothing, other than the general topics discussed on this blog, did anyone catch Wife Swap last Friday night? One of the husbands on that episode is a contender for Beta of the Month.
This time the manufactured conflict was between a materalistic couple from suburban New Jersey and a hippie couple who lived in a cabin in the woods with no electricity. The husband from the materialistic couple worked at a high-paying job where he earned money to pay for a nice house, lots of gadgets, and expensive clothes and plastic surgery for his wife, AND he took care of the kids in the evening. His wife, meanwhile, didn’t do jack, not even pay any attention to her family. She spent her days shopping and getting plastic surgery, and then in the evening, got her aging cougar frame all gussied up, put her ridiculous fake boobs on display, and went out to bars with her female friends while her husband stayed home with the kids! So she contributed NOTHING to the life of her family while her husband paid for her to go out and get hit on, and do God knows what else with other men.
The hippie wife was hardly a model of femininity with her hairy armpits and all, but I had to give her credit as whenever she was interviewed for the camera she kept saying things like “I don’t know why he puts up with this” and “What is he getting out of this marriage?” Meanwhile, the beta husband, when asked about his relationship to his wife, said something like “around here, I’m at the bottom of the totem pole, but hey, where else am I gonna be?” and grinned widely.
(And for an additional something weird, the New Jersey couple’s first names were Shannon Nicole and Shannon Michael. This was not explained on the show.)
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I’ve been thinking about the issues raised over the past 25 posts or so over the weekend. The following are just some thoughts that I think, put things in perspective.
I’ve talked at some length about my Dad, and to a lesser extent, my Mom. My Mom wed my Dad, after a month long courtship, at the age of 19 or so. My Dad was in his late 30s at the time.
On the night before my Mom’s wedding day, my great-grandmom, who claimed Cherokee Indian heritage and was back then at least 80, sat my Mom down and gave her the kinds of talks that are all but extinct now:
Among other things, she told me Mom, look, you’re about to marry a Man who is worldly, has seen a lot of things, and has had many Women-you’re gonna have to learn how to do certain things in the bedroom to keep him happy. It will make for a happier marriage. She then went into specific detail what “those things” were.
The next day, Apr 1 1969, in my great grandmom’s living room, my Mom and Dad got married. They stayed that way until Dec 8 1998, when my Dad left this world.
Along the way, they raised five human beings into productive American citizens: three are married with kids and lives of their own. None of them wound up being wards of the State or statistics. None of em wound up on Welfare. None of em wound up in jail or death row.
In no way am I saying that my parents were perfect, they most certainly were not. But, when I think about them, and I think about people in generation, it really makes me take a step back-here are my parents, my Mom w/no more than a highschool diploma and some nursing school under her belt, not even 20 years old when she said “I do”; and my Dad, who had to get his GED in the Service, and finally went to Trade School on the GI Bill. Moreover they were Black, at a time when being White still gave on a real advantage in Life, I know they’ll be some who won’t like hearing that but its true. These weren’t rich or otherwise advantaged people. And yet, somehow, they managed to make a thing like marriage work and raised five people to adulthood successfully.
I personally marvel at that, because there are people in our time, in our midst, who either don’t have the desire, or wherewithall, to raise even *one* kid successfully-and these are folk w/advanced degrees, cushy jobs, all the advantages that postmodern American life affords. To just look at the difference btw the two, is in my humble view a powerful commentary about just how much we’ve changed, in what, just 40 years? Wow.
My Dad had his faults-he had a seriously roving eye and liked to gamble-but he was also hands down thee hardest working Man I’ve ever known, and we NEVER missed a meal, or sat in the dark or without a roof over our head. And my Mom had 4 kids before the age of 24 and wound up running such an efficient home that other kids in the neighborhood soon began turning to her for Motherly advice. Seriously, how many young Women today could do that? No disrespect, but I gotta tell ya, not many.
People get divorced for dumb stuff, and one of m, yea I’m gonna say it, is the idea that many Women have, that they no longer have a sexual duty to their hubbie, that they let themselves go and close their legs. Most Women in our time see sex in a marriage as a special treat, and not as a real duty to your spouse. And for anyone to turn a blind eye to this is to turn a blind eye to a very real part of the problem-not all of it, but a good chunk.
Having said that, I’m sorry fellas, I don’t see many examples like my Dad walking around today. I know firsthand what he was up against, and day after day, come hell or highwater, he made it happen for the simple reason that, at the end of the day, he had five kids and a Wife to feed. And the older I get, the more of life that I see, I come away with the thought that I aint got nothing but respect for that Man. They just don’t make em like that anymore.
I don’t know. Just seems to me, that within my own liftetime, I can see a huge drop in things. If we can’t even do *as good* as my parents-Working Class Black folk, at best-did, we are in seriously bad shape indeed.
Just a few thoughts.
The Obsidian
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Obsidian
Interesting post. I have nothing to add, but will use this entry to place it at the top of recent posts (so others might see it).
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Hey Default,
Thanks man. Yea, it really does give you sense of perspective, doesn’t it? I know it does for me. Hopefully others will have something to add on the matter. I’d love to hear their thoughts.
O
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The Other JM
JM, that episode looks interesting. I just can’ t get over the hippie family using the same tub of water to bath in… YUCK. I hope dad baths last. Other than that, I dig how the hippie family have decided to live a life of less.
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Obsidian, it’s simple: “That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.”
One of the things that I like about Israel is that the non posers here are survivalist. Even the stuck up people at least try to pretend that they’re rough.
Some school field trips here are something like those boot camps for badly behaved children in Utah. It’s considered fun to spend a week hiking all day and praying you don’t wake up with snakes in your sleeping bag.
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