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Your Gay Doom

April 20, 2009 by CH

A reader forwarded me this Washington DC Craigslist ad from the W4M section:

LTR wanted ..but not romance – 40


Reply to: xxx
Date: 2009-04-19, 2:53PM EDT

OK … before some men get all in an uproar, I will tell you that this is totally sincere, so please, no bashing. I am a divorced mother of two who would like a LTR (friendship, obviously) with a sincere, genuine gay man. He needs a woman on his arm for, well, any number of reasons, it doesn’t matter to me. I am well aware of how the world works. I am not without means, but I am in need of other “support”. I’m tired of the way straight guys treat me, I want a best friend who is supportive and interested. Maybe we can help each other. I know this sounds crazy, but lets face it, a lot of what is on this site is nuts! I am articulate, attractive, slender, brunette, educated, and have a sarcastic,wicked sense of humor. I can keep up in most conversations, and am willing to do the homework needed to be done if I feel I cannot. I am willing to relocate, ready for a fresh start…no one knows me…I’m new in town. I just want a stable, friendly, supportive relationship, no drama. To be needed, appreciated, and to give that back to someone. Is this possible? Again, no offence intended to anyone. Please put “SINCERE” in your reply with a pic (if you want mine) or you will be deleted.

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I predict we will be seeing a lot more of this in the coming decades as the culture shifts to de facto polygamy. Bitter divorcees, cougars, single moms, urban slut machines, aging yentas, used up playettes, trend whores and Samantha cliches all seeking the gossipy witty banter, emotional frivolity and fashion expertise of a gay boyfriend. Get ready for a tsunami of women scrambling to adopt their very own Best Gay Boyfriend (BGBF) so they can lock arms asexually and skip down M Street while window shopping for SWPL “antique” necklaces and giggling about penis varieties.

But it won’t be easy for women like the one in the CL ad above. Only 2-3% of men Nair their assholes and know what fuschia looks like, so women will be fighting over a very small demographic. Since I am a man of great generosity and kindness, I will offer advice to these women on how to get a leg up over the competition.

  • Don’t be needy.

Yes, ladies, you are now in the position of the man chasing the woman. A gay man has his pick of the annoyingly sarcastic slut with emotional baggage litter, while you are stuck having to chase down a tiny pool of gay men for fabulously platonic commitment. Your neediness will send him running faster than a string of desperate voicemails at 3AM. I predict you will fail at this, since most women have little experience in the psychological art of practiced aloofness. Talk to your alpha guy friends for tips and tricks.

  • Expect to share.

If your BGBF tells you he’s spending the afternoon with (the much better dresser) Tiffany, you’ll just have to suck it up. Don’t pout and don’t pressure. Know that you are one among many and be glad that you get a few hours each week of your BGBF’s emotional jizz.

  • Be hot.

True, gay men don’t want to sleep with you, but they are aficionados of the aesthetic. They want arm candy they can dress up in size 0 clothes and admire like an art collector admires a great painting. Uglies and fatties need not apply. Might I suggest for them the Best Lesbian Girlfriend (BLGF)?

  • Learn to flatter.

Many playettes and stuck-up whores have forgotten how to flatter, so used to receiving flattery are they from beta chumps their whole lives. The BGBF will not tolerate your coy circumspection. He has too many prospects who will give him the ego boosting compliments his attention whoring soul craves for him to put up with less than obsequious suckassery from you. Pucker up, bitch!

  • Accept cheating.

If you catch your BGBF cheating with another girlfriend, you have no choice but to swallow your pride. Remember, you are an accessory to his life; if you get in the way of his doing what he wants when he wants, he will dump you forthwith. There is no getting between a gay man and his hedonism.

  • Cultivate a thick skin.

A BGBF will let you know when the first hint of cottage cheese dimples your ass. He has no reason to sugarcoat anything, since he’s not trying to get in your hole. Take his constructive criticism with stoicism and shed those bottled-up tears late at night when you’re alone with your cat. He”ll lick your salty tears up.

I just noticed in the CL ad that the divorced mother of two is “willing to relocate, ready for a fresh start”. What a selfish bitch. She’s willing to pull her kids away from their father, their friends and a stable environment so she can spend more time with a fag swapping ego assuaging compliments. If this doesn’t say it all about the depths to which American women have degenerated, I don’t know what does. She must have been a repeat pump and dump victim during her 20s and 30s for her to have nursed such bitterness toward straight men. No doubt when she says she’s tired of the way straight guys treat her, she means she’s too old to get alphas to commit to her and now at the overripe age of 40 needs a compliant beta provider to help her raise her bastard children.

“[I] am willing to do the homework needed to be done if I feel I cannot.” It’s funny how eagerly a woman will bend over backwards to please a man when her market position is weakened. The next time you’re on a date, act as if she needs to do the homework needed to earn your attention. That is the alpha attitude that creams girls’ panties.

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Posted in Culture, Girls, Hitting The Wall, Self-aggrandizement | 192 Comments

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  1. on April 20, 2009 at 11:24 am ironrailsironweights

    And this is new, how? Straight women have been cultivating friendships with gay men for decades.

    Peter

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  2. on April 20, 2009 at 11:34 am whiskey

    Posh Spice famously said she despised all straight men except her father, brothers, and husband.

    That’s the general attitude of most women. Depressing but inevitable.

    For most women, being single is just part of it. Straight men are economic competitors and also competitors for social, cultural, and political power. Thus, most women have reasons beyond just pump and dump to hate men and indulge in their fantasies about being a “fabulous” cougar.

    And yes, most women don’t care about their kids. People don’t take responsibility unless they are forced to do so.

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  3. on April 20, 2009 at 11:57 am Thursday

    It’s funny how eagerly a woman will bend over backwards to please a man when her market position is weakened.

    Once you yourself attain a certain level of attractiveness, the asskissing of less attractive women is a sight to behold.

    If you think beta males are bad . . .

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  4. on April 20, 2009 at 12:07 pm Chuck

    Having a girlfriend who has many gay friends, I can attest to this fag hag/fag pair off. The few parties I’ve been to into an an “alpha-gay” meat market in which the chicks try to get the attention of the top gay on down the line.

    It’s honestly the most pathetic of all hook-up situations. A gay guy can get a straight girl to do *anything* to prove her love. A gay guy can get a chick to show her tits, drink unspeakable amounts of alcohol, snort Coke, pull a rabbit out of her pussy…anything.

    Roissy hits on it a little here, in that he talks about the way girls need to shape up to please their gay, but in reality, straight men can take some pointers from gay men in the way they handle women. Gay men don’t fall for shit tests and they speak their mind, calling out straight women on stupid shit they do.

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  5. on April 20, 2009 at 12:09 pm Obsidian

    This post points to something that I’ve always thought about, the many unintended consequences of normalizing Gay/Lesbian lifestyle/behavior/identity. Which is yet another reason why I’ve always maintained that the current Gay Marriage debate is woefully flawed.

    Roissy makes some very interesting observations, chief among them being, that there are statisically few hardcore gay Men around, and, that he has a point when he talks about the unabashedly hedonistic lifestyle of many, if not most, Gay Men.

    Finally, his note about how far American Women have changed to my mind points to something I’ve found, and that is that unlike American Men and Boys, at least in the past, American Women and Girls have never been trained to keep their emotions in perspective; hence, they do whatever their emotions dictate, regardless of the consequences. Think about it.
    O

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  6. on April 20, 2009 at 12:11 pm JAM

    > Once you yourself attain a certain level of attractiveness, the asskissing of less attractive women is a sight to behold.
    >
    > If you think beta males are bad . . .

    No kidding. More hilarious is the “game” they try to pull. Proximity; “happening” to show up at places you show up, asking if, um, you wanted to, um, visit the museum with her friends (none of whom you know), etc.

    The near-brazen ones are the best, though: “Let’s go try that coffee place this evening”; “Why? Did they just open up?”; “No… umm…. no reason. I also really like your shirt.”.

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  7. on April 20, 2009 at 12:16 pm biktopia

    It’s funny how eagerly a woman will bend over backwards to please a man when her market position is weakened.

    The same applies for guys.

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  8. on April 20, 2009 at 12:18 pm Roosh

    “i have a sarcastic,wicked sense of humor” really means “i’m a bitch that no one likes and that’s why im on craigslist in desperate search of a gay man friend”

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  9. on April 20, 2009 at 12:19 pm Firepower

    her “everybody does it” defense of craigslist gives her a pre-fabricated excuse to avoid the fickle intimacies of sexual relations. happens all the time

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  10. on April 20, 2009 at 12:21 pm schoolboy

    I am Jacks complete lack of surprise.

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  11. on April 20, 2009 at 12:24 pm Traveller

    I was out drinking with a former flame this past week when the subject of Sex and the City came up. She (all of 22 years of age) seemed genuinely dumbfounded when I explained that Mr. Big would NEVER marry Carrie Bradshaw. She then amazingly (and pathetically) attempted to defend Carrie’s looks (“…she’s…cute…”), but quickly gave up. She meekly carried on her defense as I proclaimed the show a fantasy for single women over 30, but she ultimately gave up and I changed the topic to something much more amenable to seduction.

    Gentlemen, the cultural rot is very, very deep. I’m afraid that we’ve only reached the tip of the iceberg.

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  12. on April 20, 2009 at 12:24 pm Firepower

    LESS of this CL bearding behavior is what society shall see.

    there’s no longer a need for a poor, homoguy to hide his sexuality with a faghag.

    homo-ness is chic and will only gain in acceptance as pua morphs into the squishy clay of the Jareds tears and the bank accounts of omnipresent ‘gurus’

    women will be left out in the cold.

    Lou-gayness is de facto cool. Perez Hilton now ‘judges’ Miss USA contests; his opinion on the hotness of miss Cali is bond.

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  13. on April 20, 2009 at 12:33 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Whiskey: “Straight men are economic competitors and also competitors for social, cultural, and political power.”

    Bingo! I’ve said this for years. The generations of women who have gone thru schools competing with boys and hearing “boys are stupid” come out of college incapable of loving any man because you can’t love your rival.

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  14. on April 20, 2009 at 1:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    Where the hell is kick a bitch??

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  15. on April 20, 2009 at 1:15 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    Education and career do not benefit women the way they do men. Women can be good looking a nice, with no real job, and get a good guy. She can marry him and he’ll work his butt off for her and her children if they have any.

    It doesn’t work in reverse.

    So all these “you go grrrrl” types, pushing for career, need to have a guy and drama. And then you get these flashy homos.

    Its fucked up, funny, and ultimately makes it easier for me to have lots of meaningless sex with women right before they hit the wall. Then the queer takes ’em shopping.

    Thanks feminism!

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  16. on April 20, 2009 at 1:27 pm Tood

    I am gaining more sympathy for Islam by the day.

    But why would a hard gay man waste his time with a fag hag? Aren’t gay men like that getting a different partner every week?

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  17. on April 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Actually Tood, you make a good point. Most of the gay men I know would be insulted by the ad.

    I can’t imagine any gay guy I know wanting to settle into a pretend domestic life with a woman and kids. This woman apparently thinks it’s the Cole Porter era and there are still scads of closeted gays needing to hide in the suburbs. If those gay guys exist, it’s in Kansas or someplace like that, not DC.

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  18. on April 20, 2009 at 1:39 pm Chuck

    Tood:

    “But why would a hard gay man waste his time with a fag hag?”

    I think its because of the acceptance he feels from the fag hag. Straight guys don’t really befriend gay guys to a large degree, but gay guys do want to feel as if they are somewhat accepted by non-gay society. the straight female has to befriend the gay guy by default.

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  19. on April 20, 2009 at 1:40 pm DF

    I am a divorced mother of two who would like a LTR (friendship, obviously) with a sincere, genuine gay man….I am willing to relocate, ready for a fresh start…no one knows me…I’m new in town.

    When you put the pursuit of gay dick over your own family, you know things are completely fucked. Can someone please hit the reset button on this mother fucking country already?! Anyone?

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  20. on April 20, 2009 at 1:44 pm maurice

    I actually kinda like Firepower’s point that gays don’t really need female sidekicks so much any more, as gay-acceptance becomes more mainstream, and are less likely to in the future. Or do they? Was that kind of thing based on the closeted gay’s need for a “beard” ? Or is it some deeper-seated need for female companionship, based on similar psychologies? I tend to think it is the latter.

    Also, does this one CL post really signify a trend? Wouldn’t supplicating so abjectly actually lower a fag hag’s potential value to a fag? I think Roosh may be on point that this particular chick may be just particularly unpleasant and desperate.

    And I’ll be contrarian in this crowd – SATC, despite its flaws, was actually a pretty enjoyable show- the writing was good and usually funny, which goes a long way in my book. Also, I kinda dug Charlotte.

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  21. on April 20, 2009 at 1:54 pm God

    You can thank me for AIDS now.

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  22. on April 20, 2009 at 1:58 pm Kevin

    Tood, most of my friends are gay men, and I have wondered the same thing. Each has his (to my eyes, at least) fat/ugly/old/bitter girlfriend. Gay society is akin to female society in that what passes for friendship often conceals competition, jealousy and actual hatred. Lonely women provide largely unconditional emotional support that is impossible to find under those circumstances. Gay man/straight woman relationships work when they are built on trust, respect, shared interest and mutual accountability.

    It is unspeakably sad that relations between the sexes have deteriorated to the point where one must take sex itself off the table for men and women to see each other for the beautiful creatures they are. Look on yourselves, O PUAs, O Ice queens, and weep. You destroy that which you profess to love.

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  23. on April 20, 2009 at 2:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    This shit is wacked I guess the woman are going to be fighting with the “straight” men for gay friends to.

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  24. on April 20, 2009 at 2:11 pm Tarl

    CL is apparently the venue of choice for desperate fatties!

    A recent divorcé who lacked the money and confidence for a conventional date, Melvin, 35, had been lured to a stranger’s apartment by the promise of anonymous sex. He had already done this at least a dozen times, using classified ads he had placed on the Casual Encounters section of Craigslist.com, with no problems.

    But this time, all he found was a dark, scary room.

    “I was like, ‘Oh no, this is it — this woman is going to kill me,’ ” he recalled.

    Luckily for Melvin, what he had wandered into was something a bit more poignant: the woman who had answered his ad was obese and didn’t want Melvin to see her body.
    …
    Other men tell of sad, isolated women [translation: hugely fat] using the lure of easy sex to find companionship.

    Melvin, who has thick brown hair and a pleasant, soft-spoken manner, said he began using the site when his wife left him for another man six months after their wedding. He describes the women he meets on Craigslist as “desperados.”

    “For some reason [reason: they are hugely fat], guys are not interested in them,” he said, “and when push gets to shove, they’re so lonely that they think, ‘You know what, I’ll get a guy to come see me and see what happens.’ ”

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  25. on April 20, 2009 at 2:12 pm biktopia

    Women can be bad and desperate, but pleeeeasseeee. Life will continue, and old women will find good men, and fat women as well, and ugly guys, most that don’t find are stuck, and either don’t want to, or are aiming wrong. Go for flesh and blood and you will find a perfect partner.

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  26. on April 20, 2009 at 2:15 pm Carl Sagan

    What a sad state of affairs.

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  27. on April 20, 2009 at 2:17 pm JM

    “Tood:

    “But why would a hard gay man waste his time with a fag hag?”

    I think its because of the acceptance he feels from the fag hag. Straight guys don’t really befriend gay guys to a large degree, but gay guys do want to feel as if they are somewhat accepted by non-gay society. the straight female has to befriend the gay guy by default.”

    This is partially it, but I think the biggest reason is simply the need for platonic relationships with no sexual undercurrent whatsoever. Straight men basically can’t have platonic relationships with women–the behavior that a man exhibits in any relationship that he has with a woman who meets his minimum attractiveness threshold will always be influenced by his desire to bang her, and relationships with women who fail to meet his attractiveness threshold almost never happen, unless that woman is of truly exceptional character (I estimate the average guy maybe meets 1-3 such women in his life). Because of man’s need for platonic friendship, he seeks it out with other straight guys.

    Since they are men too, I’d guess that gays have a similar predicament with being unable to have purely platonic relationships with other men, whether those men are gay or straight. So they have to seek it out with women. And many women–particularly SATC status whoring divas–welcome this arrangement since they can have a platonic relationship void of the bitter competition and stats jockeying endemic to any female-female friendship.

    I’ve always wondered what gay man-gay man “platonic” relationships are like. Again, I’d guess that they basically don’t exist, but if they do exist, are they just de facto friends-with-benefits situations?

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  28. on April 20, 2009 at 2:55 pm benjack

    I’m gay/bi and (sort of) celibate. i don’t have too many gay friends, because i can’t relate to gays very much. (If i could, I would be totally gay because i totally prefer men.) I have one platonic friend on the other side of the country. Many of the few gays i tried to befriend became attracted to me and couldn’t deal with the fact that it wasn’t mutual and it got creepy and wierd.
    I don’t really relate with women all that well, but most gay men do. The reason is because they are naturally feminine and feel more comforrable with girls (in a non-sexual way.) Most of them have been socially rejected by male peers when they were young, not due to their sexual preference, which they could have hidden, but because of their effeminacy, which they could not. And their style of thinkng/interacting just ‘gels’ with women better.

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  29. on April 20, 2009 at 2:57 pm Bhetti

    I can get what you’re condeming her in the ad for, but isn’t she trying? Gay dad > single motherhood for the kids, maybe?

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  30. on April 20, 2009 at 2:57 pm Chuck

    JM:

    Good points. if the beta-male emotional provider role becomes largely non-existent through the writings of guys like roissy and others, and women can no longer rely on *straight* men as emotional tampons, what does this do to the fag hag/fag social dynamic?

    it would up the value of the gay male to the straight woman, which i believe is partially underway today. i don’t really see the gay male striving as hard for friendships with straight women as the women do. the gay male has market power in all of this, largely due to his rising star in modern society.

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  31. on April 20, 2009 at 3:00 pm Tarl

    Gay dad > single motherhood for the kids, maybe?

    Yeah, wonder what the biological father of those kids would think about that? Bet he’d think it was just woooonderful that his whiny self-indulgent wife has given his kids a faaaaabulous new role model.

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  32. on April 20, 2009 at 3:04 pm Bhetti

    Tarl: I like to assume it’s one of those ‘I have disappeared off into the sunset’ dads. Or maybe a sperm donor one. Or one in prison/institution. Not a ‘the crazy woman is barring me from seeing my children for strange reasons’ one. I really don’t think she could really get away with it if there was a caring dad in the picture, or even particularly want a gay man enough to make an ad.

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  33. on April 20, 2009 at 3:06 pm Bhetti

    Tarl, one who would want her arrangement probably is not the type to be THAT camp.

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  34. on April 20, 2009 at 3:10 pm dougjnn

    benjack–

    Perhaps you can explain, or rather cast some light, on something about the gay world that’s puzzled me for a long time, or at least when something’s brought me to think about it again.

    I have no trouble understanding the sexuality of effeminate gay men, whether that sexual submissiveness is all out in the open or more hidden on the street.

    What’s a lot harder for me to understand is the sexuality of the macho kind of gay top. I gather that macho gay guys are a lot more talked about and fantasized about in the gay community than present in large numbers. I also gather that lots of times there’s role playing and gays “take their turn” playing top.

    But I also gather that there are a fair number of all or most of the time macho gays. It’s quite hard for me to understand both liking to be sexually dominant, and not wanting to shag girls. Or at the very least girls also. Yeah it’s easy to SAY he’s simply physically attracted to men and not women at all. But I have a hard time UNDERSTANDING it, when he isn’t fundamentally submissive in his sexual nature, but rather dominating.

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  35. on April 20, 2009 at 3:20 pm Chuck

    dougjnn:

    that is also part of a question i’ve posted about on my blog concerning the fact that you never see two black gay guys in a relationship. black men are usually always dating non-blacks. i think it has a lot to do with the fact that homosexuality is more shameful in black culture.

    black men feel shamed to have a homosexual relationship because of the masculinity issues associated with subjugating to another black man. therefore they hook up with men of other races to forgo feeling judged as harshly.

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  36. on April 20, 2009 at 3:30 pm JM

    dougjnn–Funny, I am puzzled in the exact opposite way. That is, I can fully understand/identify with the viewpoint of a sexually dominant gay who loves to stick it in, if only because gays are men. My assumption has been that gays are hardwired the same as straights in terms of sexual behavioral dispositions, but hardwired differently in terms of what gender those dispositions are oriented towards. I imagine that when a gay sees a good looking man walking down the street, his brain might instantly starts imagining him naked and bent over in just the same way this happens to a straight man who notices an attractive female. It’s the submissive end of gayness that puzzles me, particularly the part about taking it in the ass–I mean, gay or not doesn’t that shit really hurt?

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  37. on April 20, 2009 at 3:32 pm Bhetti

    Doug: I’ve had similar discussions with a gay guy or two, and they didn’t get have an explanation themselves. I’ve observed the macho kind experimenting with women or going through a bi phase before determining finally they were gay.

    Gay dads, also known as the Will & Grace arrangement
    I’ve managed to observe one adopting a fatherly role in action. He isn’t really feminine at home, doesn’t tolerate his authority to be questioned, has a lot of power over the kid with the possible difference of he is savvy enough to say ‘that looks crap’ for fashion. He says ‘whore’ with dripping contempt at the slightest slut-like behaviour. The kid who’s a girl turned out way too masculine in the process of hero-worshipping him, even, actively hating the colour pink.

    I suppose that’s not your typical view of gays (you’re thinking of Jack in Will & Grace, not Will, right?), but a low tolerance for “misbehaviour” does contribute to the ‘queen’ label. There’s also nice protective and loving instincts that often get furnished upon a dog and so on, which are better employed on a child.

    Would you rather have a homosexual couple in charge of taking care of a kid plus a raft of “expired” single moms, or a homosexual man continuing his lifestyle living in with a single mom?

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  38. on April 20, 2009 at 3:35 pm aliasclio

    Seems to me that there’s a good deal of confusion in the comments here, and a number of unproven assumptions too.

    The assumptions: The woman didn’t actually say that she wanted a substitute father for her children. She wants an escort, not a live-in partner, as far as I can tell. She also didn’t say whether she has custody of her children, or if their father is even in contact with them now, or if they are still young enough to live with her, though I suppose she probably wouldn’t mention them at all if they weren’t. Anyway, don’t assume too much.

    Confusions: There are actually several different types of friendship that women seek in gay men, and only one of them is the “fag hag” type of friendship:
    1) A fag hag is supposed to be a rather motherly, all-accepting kind of woman who isn’t phased by outrageous behaviour, a Bette Midler type, or the kind of woman Sharon Gless played in Queer as Folk. The gay men in her circle get steady attention; she gets to be the centre of their attention.
    2) Another type of such friendships is the kind you could see in Sex and the City: the man is somewhat effeminate and has a sharp sense of humour. He and his female friends bond through mockery and shopping.
    3) The man is young and still a little uncertain about his sexual orientation. He falls in a non-sexual way for a pretty young woman who is perhaps afraid of men. They become friends, united by their fears. Variation: he’s bisexual and sometimes really does fall for a woman and they may try to become lovers, usually with disastrous results.
    4) The gay man and straight woman have mutual interests; perhaps in something rather esoteric like 17th century art; or fine dining; or chamber music. Their initial bond is a sort of intellectual one, though it may well expand beyond that and become a much deeper friendship. The fact that such friendships are hard to achieve between two gay or straight people of the same sex (sexual competition or sexual attraction undo them), or heterosexuals of the oppsite sex (sexual attraction is the culprit here), makes them rare and very valuable to those who achieve them. The friendship of the Julia Roberts character with Rupert Everett’s in My Best Friend’s Wedding, is a variant of this kind of friendship.

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  39. on April 20, 2009 at 3:39 pm Rum

    On one level I just so don’t care if a woman like that wants to form a LTR with a gay guy. Or with a straight guy in a platonic relationship. Or with 3 dozen cats.
    Apparently this woman wants it to matter to the Cold Cruel World that she is giving up on straight men. With all of that “don’t get upset because I am saying this” crap.
    This reminds me of stories put out by the matriarchy a few years back celebrating the fact that more and more single women are buying their own houses. Apparently this was meant to put distress and fear into the hearts of single men. If so, it was based on a major misreading of the male psyche.
    I mean, what could be better than to sleep with a woman at her house? It is does not cost you anything. She does the laundry. And what is wrong with a woman finding some platonic thing to take the bullshit shopping chores off of you?

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  40. on April 20, 2009 at 3:44 pm Bhetti

    Well, my understanding is when you’re a mom and seen with a male quite often, the kids just automatically automatically attach to the male as a father figure. He doesn’t have to live in. I can’t see how it’d be practical to hide him as an LTR from the children, or whether she’d even think of hiding him to protect against the possibility of attachment.

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  41. on April 20, 2009 at 3:51 pm Fatback Mac

    dougjnn,

    I’m a straight dude and I’m naturally attracted to women. As far as gay guys are concerned, my take on the pitcher/catcher system is that it is independent of sexual preference. To illustrate, try the following thought experiment:

    Imagine you’ve gone home with a hot guy–abecrombie model hot. You are behind him doggy-style, thrusting into his freshly waxed asshole. You grasp his well-muscled shoulders as his sweaty body rocks back into you…

    That do anything for you? It doesn’t turn me on–actually quite the opposite. I assume this is how gay men feel when thinking about doing the same thing with a woman.

    And you’re welcome for the explixit gay porn.

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  42. on April 20, 2009 at 3:52 pm Tarl

    I like to assume it’s one of those ‘I have disappeared off into the sunset’ dads.

    A much better assumption is that the mom is one of those “I am going to deny my husband access to his children in order to punish him” moms.

    I really don’t think she could really get away with it if there was a caring dad in the picture,

    Say what? A woman can “get away with” denying her husband access to his kids for any reason or no reason at all, and the full coercive power of the state will support her.

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  43. on April 20, 2009 at 3:58 pm 11minutes

    … he’s not trying to get in your hole.

    …which is probably exactly why so man women happily suck off their gay friends or let them pound their asses.

    Women want what they can’t get.

    I have been told by gay friends and women alike that the bond between women and gay men is far from platonic.

    It’s all “live in the moment”. Typically, they hang out, sip some girlie drinks, lament about “boys” and proceed to “snuggle” at her place. The rest just “happens”.

    “Ah, women. They think with their groins. God bless them.”

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  44. on April 20, 2009 at 4:01 pm lurker

    Chuck, interracial dating is actually quite common in gay relationships—much more so than in straight. Some psychologists have theorized that gays use the racial difference to “make up” for the sexual differences.

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  45. on April 20, 2009 at 4:06 pm benjack

    dougjnn

    I don’t do anal (think its gross – one of the reasons for my
    “non-affliation”) but gays have told me that there is no relationship between effeminacy and preferred sexual role. One of my gay friends was very feminine in his speech, but was only a ‘top’ in bed. I don’t know if in general this is really true or its just PC cant, or guys lying because they don’t want to admit to being ‘bottoms’ since there is value placed on being ‘masculine’ (and anyway, someone has to be the top.)
    My experience with the gay community tells me that there are very few truly masculine gay men. “Macho gay” often means a feminine guy who puts on some sort of costume, or one thats only a little less feminine than the others.
    On the more psychological/theoreticall issues, i’ll have to think more about it..
    off the top of my head all I can do is offer myself as a guinea pig
    i totally prefer a penetrative role, but am freaked out by the shit(and potential disease) involved with anal etc. I enjoyed fucking women, but it was like masturbation…I didn’t fantasize about it after it was over, I thought about men. I ithink I idealize the male form, the male personality…etc.
    If I can speculate, there is a thrill in getting the physcially dominant sex to submit to you. Women seem like an easy pushover.. no challenge. I once knew this Alpha tough guy (straight, as far as i know), who took a liking to me, (we partied, ‘chased women’, and worked out together) become almost girly when we were alone together talking, looking into my eyes, etc. There is a thrill (and maybe a danger?) to this that no woman can provide. Male admiration/bonding can quickly turn almost sexual if you are so inclined. (In other more sex-segregated cultures this appears to be common.)
    One caveat that may or may not be relevant.
    I also have a total preference for Asian men (i’m white). One asian guy told me that this was because I was really straight and Asian men were more ‘womanlike’ in appearance or something, but this doesn’t ring true to me
    because I can’t stand men who act/talk like women – ie. the vast majority of gay men.
    I tell almost everyone I’m straight because I want to be SEEN as the guy who wants to bang women. Because that is the guy that might kick your ass. They will see you as a MAN, not some bitch in a man’s body.

    I don’t know how typical I am, but thats what I can offer for now.

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  46. on April 20, 2009 at 4:11 pm dougjnn

    11minutes–

    I have been told by gay friends and women alike that the bond between women and gay men is far from platonic.

    That meme, which I’d NEVER heard a few years ago, is going around now. Never heard that is outside of bisexual men, who usually are treated more like straight men by women.

    I wonder how frequently there’s any truth there — or whether it’s mostly just one more thing that some women like to use to torment beta males. In this case with help from gay male friends.

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  47. on April 20, 2009 at 4:54 pm Rome82

    As “one of the chosen,” (& pleasantly surprised by finding other gay/bi readers here), I concur with benjack on the dominating a strong guy thing. Sexuality is more fluid than we often realize–as a masculine gay guy, I can get turned on by other strong masculine guys or by delicate, “pretty” more feminine types. I only top though, so far. And yeah, anal is inherently a bit gross, though if it’s clean then gay anal is no less clean than straight anal.

    Also, as a multiethnic type (think Obama-ish) who sleeps with a lot of white guys, I relate to the dominance thing. Sometimes I feel turned on dominating the white guys, like their whiteness seems more feminine somehow. Other times I get turned on by the “dominance” & power of their whiteness. Black/white pairings result in some interesting power exchanges. Why B.S. about it? We’re consenting adults.

    I usually feel more comfortable being in control, so that’s one the reasons I study layguide, roissy etc. A lot of these techniques work on gay guys too, whose brains have been shown to be somewhat like women’s.

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  48. on April 20, 2009 at 5:02 pm Howard Roark

    I knew a good-looking fag who told me that he occasionally slept with his female friends. He was a rich kid, well-traveled, very charming, grad school – if “alpha-queer” is not a contradiction in terms, then he was it. He told me at a party in a conspiritorial tone that his female friends often tried to hook up with him when he was drunk. He may have been using a psychological ploy to seduce me. For some reason fags love me. But this fag had a ridiculous coterie of hot females so I had to inquire further. I asked him if he enjoyed fucking women. He said not particularly; it just happens. But you can perform, no? Yes, he said, if a girl is in bed with you and your cock is getting rubbed it will get hard. But, he said, I am not really that ‘active’ during the sex.

    This whole thing fascinated me. Chicks hooking up with gay guys? Now this went beyond the shopping and gossiping. This was a different thing all together.

    I believe this Craig’s List ad is an ad by a woman who is desperately seeking a sexual partner. She has written all the pretty lies that her politically correct brain can conjure to mask a predatory sexual desire – for a spineless male companion. This woman has been used and burned and she wants to be the dominant one now. I doubt she has ever had gay friends before, because to post this advertisement is classless – one thing that they type of gays she claims to be seeking – would despise. She has only seen charicatured gays on television and in movies, and she wants one of those.

    If I were closer to her age, I would love to answer her ad, pretend to be a fag and then slip it in her ass after a week or so. Tell her she has a nice manly ass. She would allow it because she is clearly that ignorant.

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  49. on April 20, 2009 at 5:21 pm chic noir

    maurice And I’ll be contrarian in this crowd – SATC, despite its flaws, was actually a pretty enjoyable show- the writing was good and usually funny, which goes a long way in my book. Also, I kinda dug Charlotte.

    Agreed.
    There are so many people with harsh criticisms of the show yet haven’t watched a single season. Charlotte is a cutie and dare I say “quality girl”.

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  50. on April 20, 2009 at 5:23 pm Comment_Responsibility

    A rough draft:

    Whiskey said:

    And yes, most women don’t care about their kids. People don’t take responsibility unless they are forced to do so.

    Rain said:

    Bingo! I’ve said this for years. The generations of women who have gone thru schools competing with boys and hearing “boys are stupid” come out of college incapable of loving any man because you can’t love your rival.

    DF said:

    When you put the pursuit of gay dick over your own family, you know things are completely fucked. Can someone please hit the reset button on this mother fucking country already?! Anyone?

    Kevin said:

    Tood, most of my friends are gay men, and I have wondered the same thing. Each has his (to my eyes, at least) fat/ugly/old/bitter girlfriend. Gay society is akin to female society in that what passes for friendship often conceals competition, jealousy and actual hatred. Lonely women provide largely unconditional emotional support that is impossible to find under those circumstances. Gay man/straight woman relationships work when they are built on trust, respect, shared interest and mutual accountability.

    I’d like to draw a line here between the often negative trait of ‘responsibility’ and the positive trait of loyalty.

    Responsibility is a club. It’s cool because you can gets something by using the responsibility without giving anything. Titles are important for ‘responsibility’. Wife/husband/father/mother/boss. Responsibility is often used by the person with the power in the relationship, after that person has passed the point where they can demand more with force.

    Loyalty is of course of far less ‘use’. Loyalty obviously goes both ways. People who think ‘responsibility’ will generate loyalty are hoping for the best and leaving themselves wide open to the worst. Loyalty is, by almost definition, a two-way street. Loyalty requires not respect, not equality, not even liking. It can have all of them, but needs none. It demands only itself, and is sufficient.

    Are you looking for love, or loyalty? Do you think mercurial love will guarantee loyalty?

    If you could be guaranteed a 7 that would be completely loyal, would you care if she loved you only a little?

    This is a serious question.

    Is it the lack of love, or the lack of loyalty that everyone here complains about?

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  51. on April 20, 2009 at 5:26 pm 11minutes

    If you could be guaranteed a 7 that would be completely loyal, would you care if she loved you only a little?

    Ever wondered why the village sluts, strippers and hookers have a hard time getting married? I seriously doubt it is because they are unable to love a man with all their heart.

    Men do not care about emotional connection as much as they care about not having to put their dick into another guy’s sperm reservoirs inside their women.

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  52. on April 20, 2009 at 5:35 pm schoolboy

    I take it no one has read “The Secret Society,” by Tyler Durden. It covers this to some extent.

    Look it up, you’ll be glad you did.

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  53. on April 20, 2009 at 5:35 pm HR Lincoln

    Think of the poor bastard that was married to that miserable witch; though relieved at no longer being married to her, the thought his kids being raised by the likes of her has got to be gruesome.

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  54. on April 20, 2009 at 5:39 pm Obsidian

    The angle about straight Women attempting to bed obstensibly gay Men is interesting, and lends itself to the much-ballyhooed “Downlow” issue in the Black community. I have always been skeptical of the party line being fed to us, ie, Black Women being completely blameless in their contracting of HIV from such Men; that these guys are living in essence, two distinct lives, and so on. I think that’s possible if its a Straight guy having two Women; but when you’re talking about an essentially Gay lifestyle, I don’t buy it.

    My own view is that Women know what’s going on with the Men they deal with, its just *they don’t want to accept responsibility for their role in the matter*. To those of us who study Game, this should come as no big surprise-Women in general will not assume personal responsibility for anything that happens sexually, and if one wishes to be successful, they have to take the lead in the seduction. Of course there are always exceptions, but in the main, I think most Men here who’s lived a bit would agree with the general proposition.

    As have been noted above by others, this Craigslist ad is indicative of to what degree a goodly number have been hurt by the pretty lies of the postmodern dating world. And now they call themselves “punishing” Straight Men for the failures they had an active hand in engineering. To the extent they hope to impact Straight Men, it will not work-fellas won’t bother enough to even care one way or another. If anything they may give the Gay guys props for clearing the decks as it were.

    Again, this is the fundamental issue Feminists have not grappled with head on-with rights and freedoms, comes responsibilities and consequences. Per the Feminist line of thinking, it is getting harder and harder to find scapegoats.

    The gig, is up.

    O

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  55. on April 20, 2009 at 5:56 pm Bhetti

    Tarl, of course, I always find this difficult to understand from my cultural viewpoint. Regardless of living here or not, or what the state says, if I tried that on an Arab/muslim, I couldn’t get away with it. The social pressures would be massive: unless the man turned out to be some kind of hopeless atheistic druggie, I would be ostracised and condemned. Measures of the extent nearing vigilantism would be taken to ensure the man has access to his children, not only driven by him but by family members and social contacts.

    Men who have power like they do in some Arab or muslim countries have done the same dastardly thing as you can see in the news or as I’ve seen in my personal experience: where a dad actually took his kids with him to Iraq out of pure spite, even though there was a better life for them in the Emirates. So it’s not some sort of gender isolated phenomenon, but a ‘some humans are asses if you let them’ one.

    I think if there was a father present, his inability to curb the woman with her obvious lack of social resources, speaks a little about him as well.

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  56. on April 20, 2009 at 6:01 pm Obsidian

    Comment Responsibility hits on a very powerful point, one that I had originally intended to broach in my recent post about my parents. Seems excellent to do so now.

    Its my longheld view, that “love” as we know and understand it here in America, is woefully overrated. Not un-necesary or without merit or real benefit, just overrated. When it comes to marriage or even an LTR, anyone who’s been in either will readily tell you, just how over-hyped “love” is.

    You need some other things to make such a venture work, and I would go so far as to say that those things have to come before “love”.

    Although my Mom liked my Dad, she was skittish about marrying him-he was from the South, she from the North; there was 15 years in age difference between them, and he moved fast, only having met her a month or so before proposing. But my wise great grandmom had another view:

    “Look, I understand that so and so isn’t all that you want him to be. But he loves you and that child. And you need a father for your son. You’ll learn to love him.”

    That was part of “the talk” my GGM gave my Mom on the night before her wedding the next day. Something that is virtually alien in our time now-and the result? Like I said earlier, they remained together for nearly three decades and raised five kids into productive members of Society. For Working Class Black folk, not bad.

    Just a few thoughts.

    O

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  57. on April 20, 2009 at 6:05 pm Bhetti

    I think the discussion is heading that way so let me point out HIV infection is increasingly no longer a gay thing, and hasn’t been for a while.

    AIDS is the endpoint of HIV infection, which thanks to modern treatment, can take a long time before it kicks in. HIV is an STD, rife wherever unsafe sexual practice occurs.

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  58. on April 20, 2009 at 6:06 pm Max from Australia

    Imagine being the father of the kids…. Just another reason to get a pre-emptive vasectomy

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  59. on April 20, 2009 at 6:11 pm joel

    Just a few observations:

    1. I read recently that the child of a single mother has the highest chance of being abused, usually by the current boyfriend. (Lowest risk of abuse is when the biological father lives in the house.) I doubt gay men are any better that straight men in this dept, although the easy availability of gay sex may blunt the temptation. 1/4th of gay men in Baltimore have HIV. I wonder if she will rule out HIV positive gays as candidates for platonic companion.

    2. This ad might be the start of a blackmail. Is she trying to attract a closeted gay (there are reasons to stay in the closet even today). After she hooks up, she can threaten to out him if things look promising.

    3. I don’t see anything odd about straight women-gay men friendships. Girls like guy friends who aren’t always trying to get into their pants. And, gay men can offer good fashion advice and more importantly, enjoy the style she is dressing in. And, he is not a competitor.

    One question: Do strippers really have trouble finding husbands because of other men’s sperm? Strippers don’t engage in sex, in the strip club at least. My view is that most men would just think that having spent time with hundreds of other men lapdancing and carousing, the ex-stripper just wouldn’t think he was the best that there ever was. Well, that expectation would be a bit unrealistic in any relationship. I suspect that strippers have a hard time finding husbands for the same reason as any aging, jobless woman in her thirties without a good education has. She hasn’t got anything to offer. She has no professional prospects. And, the good men are taken or are unavailable eg., they have gone to college and graduate school, have gotten good, well paid jobs, by the time she is thinking about marriage.

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  60. on April 20, 2009 at 6:12 pm whiskey

    Obsidian that is GODDAMED BRILLIANT OBSERVATION!

    Bingo!

    Yes, women are NEVER taught emotional control. And that my friends is just a brilliant (because it’s so obvious no one noticed) observation!

    It’s also a big change from the past. Victorian novels are full of self-controlled women, controlled because they had to be.

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  61. on April 20, 2009 at 6:13 pm Himmler

    “Male-to-male sexual contact still accounts for approximately half of new diagnoses in the U.S.”

    So go ahead ladies – keep sucking fag cock.

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  62. on April 20, 2009 at 6:15 pm Anthony L Wrightson

    jusus fucking christ people. enough of the fag talk

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  63. on April 20, 2009 at 6:17 pm joel

    Oh, and to add to my critique of why strippers might have a hard time finding good husbands. If a men could be sure that his wife would spend her time having and raising children for him (and her), he might be glad to marry an ex-stripper, since they are healthy and beautiful women in many instances. (There are exceptions.) However, in our modern time, the newly married ex-stripper could just close her legs, have no children, (or one at most) and take him for a large part of his wealth in the divorce.

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  64. on April 20, 2009 at 6:24 pm 11minutes

    the ex-stripper just wouldn’t think he was the best that there ever was.

    … and that is exactly what SLUT AVERSION feels like.

    Your brain can’t make you feel “don’t date a woman with low sexual inhibition since your genes might not get passed on to the next generation. Instead, it will make you feel “not special”.

    The truth is none of us is that “special little snowflake”. But if she sucked miles of cock before, she is likely to not be satisfied with yours. Strippers might be no more or less promiscuous than most women we meet at bars, but their open sexual display triggers male SLUT AVERSION to a higher degree.

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  65. on April 20, 2009 at 6:29 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian–

    its just *[women] don’t want to accept responsibility for their role in the matter*. To those of us who study Game, this should come as no big surprise-Women in general will not assume personal responsibility for anything that happens sexually, and if one wishes to be successful, they have to take the lead in the seduction.

    Yes, absolutely.

    This is an age old ploy of womankind, that far predates feminism. Women ALWAYS have a far greater hand in what happens to them or around them than they let on or than Western and esp. Anglosphere society officially presumes.

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  66. on April 20, 2009 at 6:31 pm whiskey

    Women with gay men. Duh. It’s an exercise in ego boosting for women (“I’m hot enough to turn on gay guys!”) well covered in the SWPL bible, Seinfeld.

    Elaine with the Gay Guy. Nuff said.

    Which brings me to the active dislike most straight men have instinctively for gay men. It’s always puzzled me, more gay men = less straight competitors for women which dominates the concerns of men particularly when young.

    So why? Answer: Gay men CAN be competitors, to straight men, for women and also promote promiscuous behavior in women and status-shopping in men.

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  67. on April 20, 2009 at 6:34 pm whiskey

    Add –Bhetti it is quite likely the woman in the Craigslist Ad chose poorly when having her kid(s) with the man or men in question.

    And evades her own role in choosing poorly. Picking a good father and husband is not hard but requires compromises: Sexy Bad Boys need not apply.

    Women who choose sexy bad boys invariably become single mothers and they become single mothers because they chose their own sexual pleasure over the well-being of their children.

    Shrug. That’s the ugly truth of it.

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  68. on April 20, 2009 at 6:35 pm whiskey

    One last add —

    Perhaps the “ultimate sneaky fucker” strategy is “gay for a day” i.e. pretend to be gay, hang around some hot chick, explain you have doubts and challenge her to “convert you” ala Elaine on Seinfeld.

    Women love that sort of thing, it marks them as the “sexiest in the land.”

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  69. on April 20, 2009 at 6:38 pm chic noir

    Actually whiskey, in my experience even the most effeminate of gay men are still men. Meaning* that the majority frown on promiscuous behavior in women.

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  70. on April 20, 2009 at 6:55 pm chic noir

    http://consumerist.com/5215609/divorcing-a-tycoon-you-win-some-you-win-some

    P0r.n for dougjnn. Please don’t view while chewing as I wouldn’t want you to choke.

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  71. on April 20, 2009 at 6:58 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti —

    Regardless of living here or not, or what the state says, if I tried that [refusing to let an ex husband see his kids on a regular basis] on an Arab/muslim, I couldn’t get away with it. The social pressures would be massive: unless the man turned out to be some kind of hopeless atheistic druggie, I would be ostracised and condemned. Measures of the extent nearing vigilantism would be taken to ensure the man has access to his children, not only driven by him but by family members and social contacts.

    That’s just the way it should be. The thing is it seems the UK doesn’t much interfere with these sorts of pressures and even vigilantism when they’re carried out by ethnic minority groups.

    The brainwashing against middle class and up white society esp. non ethnic anglo white society doing the same thing in this country though are strong. As are the measures taken against majority white male vigilantism.

    Myself, I’d never put up with it. I also very much doubt it would ever come to that with me. But if it did …

    I think a woman doing that ultimately, if other things fail (and I’m not talking about years of litigation) DESERVES to be beaten up, and not just a little bit either. Afraid for her life. There are smart ways to do such things and dumb ones though. Credible (but unprovable) serious threats are a good first step.

    But sure, social pressure if it can be brought to bear against is much lower risk.

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  72. on April 20, 2009 at 6:58 pm David Alexander

    Picking a good father and husband is not hard but requires compromises: Sexy Bad Boys need not apply.

    Of course, this means that instead of having sex with “bad boys”, she lures me into a relationship with shitty sex and false emotional support, extracts money from me, and in exchange, I get nothing but liabilities? I fail to see the upside, Whiskey.

    status

    Whiskey, status is everything. It determines whether you’re a God or shit, and it’s simply a fact of human life.

    Which brings me to the active dislike most straight men have instinctively for gay men.

    That’s funny. I have no active dislike for gay men.

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  73. on April 20, 2009 at 7:02 pm Non-loyalist

    Comment_Responsibility,
    “I’d like to draw a line here between the often negative trait of ‘responsibility’ and the positive trait of loyalty.”

    Loyalty in general should not be seen as such a positive trait. It is very human and understandable but there’s nothing noble about it. Being loyal means doing blindly and stubbornly what’s good for someone close or otherwise important to you, regardless of others. It goes against morals and justice and righteousness. Essentially, it’s about “us v. them”, and it’s partly supported by law, as evidenced by spousal incrimination privileges.

    Again, very human, nothing noble.

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  74. on April 20, 2009 at 7:07 pm Obsidian

    Dave Alex,
    I know this theme you have of Women out there trying to take your money is very importantin your world of rationalizations, but my realworld experience says that your theories are booty, Man. For every bigtime divorce settlement you hear about there are dozens more where the Woman gets little or nothing. Don’t take my word for it, look up the stats on child support arrears, just for a quick example.

    And that’s yet another dirty little secret activists such as Feminists and the like don’t want people to know-that, far from the Woman being “liberated” by ending her marriage, often she’s poorer, under more stress, and ultimately ends up alone. It is not pretty, and if you actually can get your head out your self pitying, uh, I mean attention woring ass and get out of mom’s basement, and actually talk to divorced Women, you’d see that.

    What’s really needed is some brutally straight talk about all of these things, and this is where I give Roissy some measure of props. Expecting one Man to do it al himself is asking a bit much, though. But its a start.

    O

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  75. on April 20, 2009 at 7:19 pm whiskey

    Chic gays are notoriously promiscuous and encourage it in others.

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  76. on April 20, 2009 at 7:25 pm Stu

    She (all of 22 years of age) seemed genuinely dumbfounded when I explained that Mr. Big would NEVER marry Carrie Bradshaw.

    This is the heart of the matter –

    when you look at the DC scene, half the young women phuck alphas because of the inherent primal buzz they get from alphas

    the others phuck alphas because they picture themselves married to the alpha down the line and envision the envy this will create from their friends

    My point is that right now, young women that really don’t get a buzz from alphas go for them anyway because they believe Mr. Big will marry them

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  77. on April 20, 2009 at 7:27 pm joel

    I think straight men have a natural dislike for gay men. It is just a Darwinian response. Since gay sex doesn’t lead to children, and may compromise having children, and since all sex involves risk and investment of resources, normal men have the instinct to avoid gay sex. It is like the instinct to avoid sex with your sister or mother. It is why big breasts and broad hips are sexual stimulants for straight men. It is all about procreating. Its all Darwinian.

    I doubt any straight man would appreciate being hit on by gay men. I know I don’t. And, since human behavior is so plastic, and since alcohol is always available, a basically straight guy could wind up having gay sex one night if his drinking buddies or fishing buddies are gay, with a permanently damaged self image, and a case of HIV. Imagine how a guy would feel if his mother or sister got him drunk and had sex with him? Same reason girls wind up getting date raped if they are out drinking late with their boy buddies.

    Some years ago, when there was a military draft, young men, gay, would rather go to war and get killed than admit to being gay. Straight men would never say they were gay to avoid military service.

    So, the aversion is deep and instinctual. Of course, education can overcome it. You can educate people into anything, including celibacy and suicide bombing. But, why bother? If someone is not gay, let it be.

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  78. on April 20, 2009 at 7:30 pm dougjnn

    11minutes–

    Strippers might be no more or less promiscuous than most women we meet at bars, but their open sexual display triggers male SLUT AVERSION to a higher degree.

    Oh come on. Most strippers have at least gone through a slut phase. Sure strippers will TELL you that they’re not sluts, but for one thing, their point of comparison is seriously warped by their co-workers. (Read: compared to SOME of these sluts, I’m not much of a slut at all.) The same sort of over to one side of the spectrum attitudes that permit them to be strippers also permit them to be sluts, at least at certain periods, often before starting stripping.

    Here’s another shocker for you. Most strippers who’ve been such for more than a year or so also hook a little on the side. Not usually all the time, and almost never with anyone who asks, but depending on the girl, for enough money, or when money is tight enough, and/or the guy is fairly or very attractive to her, she will sometimes do it. Or she’ll just slut with him on the sneak tip. (Management always officially discourages or prohibits dating of customers, but often doesn’t really care.)

    The act of erotic dancing and lap dancing for men for hours at at time with breaks is extended foreplay and it definitely sexualizes strippers’ heads. Not for every schlub they dance for or most of them to be sure, but you bet it does for a hot guy they then encounter, at work or especially otherwise. (Strippers do work on having barriers where their customers are Johns to them though.) Yes she’s performing for men rather than the other way around, but that turns women on big time – that exhibitionism thing, that feeling super desired thing. As well men are constantly hitting on her, but it’s soon not at all threatening to her because it’s her job, she’s getting paid a lot in tips etc., and there are the bouncers.

    I had a stripper girlfriend for a while soon after my divorce — well, actually overlapping it’s pendency. She moved in with me. We had some wild times, including some threesomes and so on. No, she actually wasn’t a gold digger type at all. She did have daddy issues though. A Texan in NYC actually. She told me many secrets. She was a Boho kind of stripper, enjoying the downtown art world sort of things. Smart girl too. Then I got her to stop sniffing H and apply to law schools (I wrote her application essays for her, though she did the spell checking you’ll be relieved to know) — and in time lost her to one. Oh well.

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  79. on April 20, 2009 at 7:36 pm dougjnn

    Actually my stripper gf hadn’t been that much of a slut, as strippers go. She was a slut by Roissy standards, but not by mine. He >10; me >30. I believe her numbers because I was always teasing her about being such an unimpressive slut, and she was always trying to win my approval. That lead to some threesomes though …

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  80. on April 20, 2009 at 7:41 pm Obsidian

    Doug,
    Yea, I’ve never bought the thing about a Woman being married to a “secretly Gay Man”-ie, “I didn’t know he was gay”, etc. BULLSHIT. We who study Game understand very well, that Women are attuned to social dynamics in ways that the average guy is at best, only dimly aware of.

    What the dirty little secret here is, that a lot of Women get the idea in their head that the gay male they’re dealing with will “change” for them, in other words, said Woman is so special, that she can change a Man. We’ve heard this story before, only this time, we’ve swapped out the Lord Byron Alpha, and plugged in the Gay dude.

    Then, when the whole thing backfires, the Woman can then claim that she didn’t know, thereby putting *all* of the blame on dude. But what she doesn’t want to deal with, is that it takes two to tango.

    I remember when Terri MacMillan made a big deal out of her failed marriage to a much younger Man from Jamaica; she was careful to note in virtually every appearance and interview that dude was Gay, and that this was “kept” from her. If anyone believes that I got some really great beachfront property, really cheap, just west of here…

    Same deal with Daina McGreevey, wife of disgraced former NJ Guv, Jim McGreevey; she tried to claim that she didn’t know he got down like that at first, but when their driver spilled the beans on how they both liked to engage in group sex, she quickly disappeared from public view.

    So, when I hear this big deal a lot of Sistas make about the Downlow, I’m taking it w/a huge grain of salt. Like other Women, they too think they got a Pussy Made of Gold, that can cure whatever “ails” a Man; and when it doesn’t work out, and worse, when they contract HIV from him, then all of a sudden, they’re hapless victims, taken in by seemingly “straight” Men, who to the eyes of anyone other than Stevie Wonder is failry plain to see that dude is hardly a He-Man.

    Oh, and to Bhetti’s point-cant speak on the UK, but here in the USA, the overwhelming majority of HIV cases are those having to do with Gay Males in one way or another.

    O

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  81. on April 20, 2009 at 7:45 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian–

    ar from the Woman being “liberated” by ending her marriage, often she’s poorer, under more stress, and ultimately ends up alone.

    Unless a divorced woman ups the hours she works or the pay she gets she’ll always be poorer than when married if the man she was married to made any kind of scratch. it’s much more expensive for the parents to maintain two households than one. She isn’t getting all his money anymore, even in feminist horror America.

    As for her remaining alone, that’s often true. Women often have far grander beliefs as to what they’ll find to replace their husband than what they can in fact find. The American entertainment media, suffused with feminist influences, thoroughly encourages this view, together with a view that whatever happens on the romance front, she’s better off “not continuing to live a lie” (i.e. compromise or be content with settling and making the best of things, as in ages past) and so on.

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  82. on April 20, 2009 at 7:55 pm Obsidian

    Doug,
    Interesting point on Strippers Hooking. But I’d take it a step further: a whole lot more Women than we’re willing to admit will do the deed w/the right guy for the right price. *That’s the trick*, he’s gotta be the right guy, and the price is gotta be right. Trust me, I’ve seen quite a few Women put out for a nice little sum.

    The trick of course, for so many Women, is to keep things on the quiet; one would be surprised to learn what a Woman will do when she’s reasonably assured it won’t get out into the public square.

    O

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  83. on April 20, 2009 at 7:57 pm 11minutes

    one would be surprised to learn what a Woman will do when she’s reasonably assured it won’t get out into the public square.

    it’s the one and only secret of being a ladies’ man

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  84. on April 20, 2009 at 8:01 pm Obsidian

    Doug,
    Don’t know if you saw my post above on “love” and my post onnthe Reader’s Mailbag thread, both of which I discuss my parents. I think the “Crone” role that’s much ballyhooed today in Feminist circles had real meaning and purpose in years gone by, and my GGM was one such example. I think in many ways she gave my Mom the path to a much more fulfilling life than anything Friedan or Steinam could have given her.

    O

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  85. on April 20, 2009 at 8:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dam doug played captain save a ho and got burned that sucks but had some fun I guess.

    Joel is you had sex with a fishing buddy you can’t blame the alchohal you gay bastard lol

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  86. on April 20, 2009 at 8:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””Dougjnn,
    As for her remaining alone, that’s often true. Women often have far grander beliefs as to what they’ll find to replace their husband than what they can in fact find. The American entertainment media, suffused with feminist influences, thoroughly encourages this view, together with a view that whatever happens on the romance front, she’s better off “not continuing to live a lie” (i.e. compromise or be content with settling and making the best of things, as in ages past) and so on.”””””””””””””””””

    Just read a couple female blogs around to see how good woman are doing without men and these are the younger ones. That’s not even after they loose their looks and get permanently laid off from that great hr job they used to have.

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  87. on April 20, 2009 at 8:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””on April 20, 2009 at 12:21 pm schoolboy
    I am Jacks complete lack of surprise.””””””””

    But this post is what is called a changeover it is when the reel is changed but noone in the audience knows it happened.

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  88. on April 20, 2009 at 8:30 pm dougjnn

    Gunny–

    Dam doug played captain save a ho and got burned that sucks but had some fun I guess.

    Nah, I didn’t get burned at all Gunny. We had a great two year run. Part of the dynamic of the relationship was that I was always mostly lover, but partly daddy, and occasionally Svengali. She in turn gave it ALL up to me, just completely trusted me, did anything for me. She had lots of fun young friends and I had lots of fun older and sophisticated friends that she loved to mingle with as well. (We had a cover story for her being a grad student that’s changing course and applying to law school with my friends.) It was damn near perfect a lot of the time, especially at that stage in my life. One hell of a cure from a costly divorce after a nearly sexless marriage.

    It was my idea that she needed to climb back out of the downward spiral she had been on. (Her divorced dad that she wasn’t close to was upper upper middle class back in Texas, and would have been utterly shocked that she was stripping or sniffing H headed to much worse delivery methods before I got to her, as would have been her mom). She wouldn’t have applied if I hadn’t “made” her. But she also loved me for “making her”. Does that help you understand?

    We went bareboat sailboat chartering in the Caribbean a couple of times. (I’m an accomplished sailor). The second time she invited a fellow stripping friend of hers (who paid her own way, except after awhile I tended to pick up her dinners with us considering what was going on) who was also a grad student at Columbia. From the get go they were both nude sunbathing and swimming etc. all the time, often where other boats could see us – and waved or even honked horns etc. Just a bit of an ego boost – having two gorgeous strippers for myself on display. Then it became threesomes a bunch of times. However R (the other girl) would also go off dancing with the local talent in the evenings, and disappear down the beach with some guy as well. Well she’d always go off mad flirt dancing but went down the beach twice in the ten day on boat period. One was great and one was lousy, far below what she expected, R finally reported, after much prodding / teasing.

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  89. on April 20, 2009 at 8:35 pm Backdoor Man

    “one would be surprised to learn what a Woman will do when she’s reasonably assured it won’t get out into the public square.”

    This is an absolutely vital fact. My wife, after years of marriage, still worries about what other women (complete strangers, mind you) think of her. Recently, we were at a concert by a South American band, and I was slapping her ass as we danced. She insisted that I stop, because a bunch of unaccompanied latin women (my wife is also latin) were watching us with a mixture of scorn and envy. “You’re married,” I said. “What the fuck do you care?” She said, “We don’t wear wedding rings. They don’t know our relationship status.”

    As long as she’s in public, she’s a nice girl. A fucking saint, in fact.

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  90. on April 20, 2009 at 8:43 pm chic noir

    dougjn, how old are you?

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  91. on April 20, 2009 at 8:47 pm dougjnn

    Chic

    102.

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  92. on April 20, 2009 at 8:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Cool man its good to help people out hell what greater thing can ya do in life but teach people to fish.

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  93. on April 20, 2009 at 8:58 pm Tood

    Why in the name of Jesus Haploid Christ would a gay man marry a woman, only to be subject to the financial ruin of divorce laws? He will be ground up by the court just the same as a straight man would.

    I mean, for a GAY man to take this risk is absurd.

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  94. on April 20, 2009 at 9:04 pm GNPs are for Apes

    “dougjn, how old are you?”

    You dare ask a man his age, without posting a picture of your (allegedly acceptable) body here, or a link to a claimed (but unsubstantiated) earlier post?

    Shame on you.

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  95. on April 20, 2009 at 9:05 pm dougjnn

    Chic–

    I was a very young daddy to her (at that time), but she hungered for a good and involved one greatly. I obliged. It got me off. Among many other things.

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  96. on April 20, 2009 at 9:07 pm Welmer

    on April 20, 2009 at 7:27 pm joel

    I think straight men have a natural dislike for gay men.

    I disagree. I enjoy the company of plenty of gay men, but they simply don’t turn me on. It’s very simple for a man: boner or no boner. For me, hot women = boner. Men = nothing going on down there.

    Gay men have really made a big mistake by throwing themselves into the feminist camp. What do their “girlfriends” have to offer them? They would be much better off helping out grateful straight men, who would be all too happy to let them do their thing without having to face the dreadful penalties of marriage, etc.

    Gay marriage is one of the most retarded ideas the gay movement has ever come up with. Why destroy one of the benefits of being gay by dragging the courts into it?

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  97. on April 20, 2009 at 9:17 pm Tood

    ” if one wishes to be successful, they have to take the lead in the seduction.”

    YES. Prior to my awareness of Game, I wasted countless golden opportunities by not escalating. All non-natural men have.

    When I learned about the ABC philosophy, I started to become very good as passive but quick ‘boiling a frog’ escalation, and brushing aside LMR.

    Jumping from palm-reading to heavy kino/kissing to serious makeout to sex does not have the gaping chasms that I once imagined I had to leap.

    I get very little resistance now. At least 80% of the time I get a woman to my place, I can close without trouble.

    It is silly how much hesitation I had, in even the most obvious of ‘green light’ situations.

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  98. on April 20, 2009 at 9:18 pm schoolboy

    Gunslingergregi,
    You are not your comment post.

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  99. on April 20, 2009 at 9:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Kind of like seatbelts how many people really wanted to wear them?

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  100. on April 20, 2009 at 9:20 pm Tood

    “Per the Feminist line of thinking, it is getting harder and harder to find scapegoats. ”

    And the one group that actually will set them back by decades or even centuries, is the one group they will refuse to confront until the challenge is right in front of them.

    As I said, Feminists are THE most hypocritical group in the world. More hypocritical than ANY other group. That is why they will be challenged and beaten by another group that is also quite hypocritical in its own way, but far more sustainable than feminism.

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  101. on April 20, 2009 at 9:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    LoL Schoolboy once I get out of prison I won’t even be posting anymore just living life.

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  102. on April 20, 2009 at 9:23 pm Obsidian

    Welmer,
    I too have been giving this some thought, and I think that a lot of it has to do w/Lesbian Women; according to surveys done by the NIH, there are a bit mor “official” Lebsians than are Gay Males in America; some put the estimates in the former between 5 and 10% of the population. In any event, Women tend to be more interested in longterm pairbonding than are Men. So Gay Marriage would seem to make sense there.

    On the Gay Male side, I think what Steve Sailer said is on point-its not the marriage many of them want so much as it is the *wedding*-all of the pomp, circumstance, etc, that many Gay Men go gaa gaa for. This too, makes sense.

    Like I’ve said before, the Gay Marriage debate has been, from the get go, a seriously flawed debate. And it will prove to be a huge mistake on all sides.

    O

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  103. on April 20, 2009 at 9:33 pm schoolboy

    Obsidian,
    Since your black I was wondering if you listen to the isley brothers? (all black people i know jam to the “baby making” music) It is dope.

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  104. on April 20, 2009 at 9:47 pm David Alexander

    Dam doug played captain save a ho and got burned that sucks but had some fun I guess.

    Per Doug’s answer to your post, it’s rather obvious that he enjoyed being a sugar daddy to her because I suspect it allowed him to indulge in some degree beta providerness, but with the benefits of sex and little chance of a legal suit sapping his income and wealth.

    she’s better off “not continuing to live a lie” (i.e. compromise or be content with settling and making the best of things, as in ages past) and so on.

    To tie this in with what Obsidian referenced above, I’m well aware that divorce doesn’t magically make women rich, and while child support eases things for divorced mothers, for all intents and purposes, it’s similar to being a single mother, except the transition is rougher.

    My general theory, OTOH, is that women will seek beta males in lieu of being single mothers, and will put up with the beta male for as long as she feels she can in order to receive the benefits of additional income and credit that he may bring to the table. Of course, as her income increases, the marginal benefit of the beta male’s income decreases, but even for a high income single female, a fellow high income beta gives more buying power.

    The problem though is that the “lies” that Doug writes about creates a conundrum. While the best environment for children is a stable two parent home, the problem is that you end up with parents who become bitter towards each other and have nothing but contempt for each other. I suspect in a sizable number of marriages, both partners are probably sticking around for the kids, and by the time the kids are grown, inertia simply keeps the marriages going.

    Regardless, do I as a beta male really want a woman that isn’t with me because she wants to be with me, but merely because it’s better than being divorced single mother? Do I want to be with a woman who thinks I’m just merely tolerable enough to be around? Am I the only one who thinks such an arrangement is insulting to the male since it really reduces him to a mere enabler and servant?

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  105. on April 20, 2009 at 9:49 pm Wounded Animal

    This hag has way over-estimated her market value. She realizes this on a near-conscious level and is insanely desperate to avoid domestic exile. She doesn’t have the money for the exotic travel and oil painting-classes necessary to distract her from her fate, so she advertises on craigslist for gay men who need to pass. She will pursue a gay man who will humiliate her and expose her to some truly awful STD’s rather than settling for a straight man in her pay grade. All because he can’t make her pretty little fantasies of being spirited off to a princess castle somewhere come true.

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  106. on April 20, 2009 at 9:54 pm Obsidian

    Tood,
    I gotta thank you for posting that pic of the Talwar, the Indian version of the “Scimitar”, the iconic curved edged sword used by Arabs in the Middle East. That pic led me to do a bit of reading up on the sword’s general history, and it was fascinating reading, and learned a heck of a lot. So, again, thank you. Good lookin’ out.

    As for Game, for me, the single biggest benefit I got out of it wasn’t so much openers and negs, but understanding how and why Women do what they do. It put into perspective all the things I had seen so many times in the past, but was never really in a position to put it into context, much less be in a position to capitalize on it.

    This is why I told Schoolboy recently that if he wanted to be good with Women that he ought to try to observe them as much as he can, paying close attention to what they actually do moreso than what they say. I went on to tell him that the best Players are those who are keen students of Female Behavior, especially the Art of Subtlety, something that is all but lost on the average guy.

    This is important because if you don’t understand a Woman’s POV, it’ll be all that harder to get in her pants. Even if *she* wants you inside her, if you give the impression that you really don’t get it, it can knock you out of contention. Not good, trust me, LOL.

    For example, take the way Men and Women look at Sex. For us guys, we Gamers know and understand that MOST guys go home emptyhanded after a night at the club; one would be astonished to learn how many single and married guys, get laid less than once a month-12 times a year.

    Why? Well, the easy answer is because these guys have failed to give Women a compelling reason as to why they should drop their panties for them-and this leads directly into how Women view Sex.

    Most Men are either completely clueless, or don’t care, about just how risky it is for Women to have a sexual encounter-aside from STDs, HIV among them, they also have to risk pregnancy, even in the face of highly effective birth control. Having a baby by the wrong guy can potentially derail a Woman’s life. And then there’s the real threat of rape and so on.

    So, even while the average Woman can get a dozen offers for sex in a week, the trick for her is to find the best Man possible to do the deed. And the hotter she is, then more offers she gets. Getting sex for Women is a snap. Women reading this know that.

    For guys, though, getting sex is a bit tougher, which explains our “eveready” status, LOL. You never know when you’ll get another shot, so you gotta be ready if and when it presents itself.

    Most guys don’t sit down to really think about this stuff, which explains why most of them don’t get laid. Game is a huge help in that regard.

    O

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  107. on April 20, 2009 at 9:55 pm Tood

    The thing is, in more restrictive cultures, there are gay men and lesbians who marry each other just to look normal to their communities.

    There will ads in Chinese, Indian, and Islamic publications for ‘gay man seeking gay women under similar family/society pressure, for platonic marriage’. This is not so rare.

    So the white fag hags may yet get a market, from gay Indians/Chinese/Arabs who not just need to appear straight, but get the bonus of having a white woman (to the extent that that still carries some social value).

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  108. on April 20, 2009 at 9:56 pm Wounded Animal

    Gay men have really made a big mistake by throwing themselves into the feminist camp. What do their “girlfriends” have to offer them? They would be much better off helping out grateful straight men, who would be all too happy to let them do their thing without having to face the dreadful penalties of marriage, etc.

    A female friend says gays have traded being princes, poets and monastics for being clowns in Pride parades.

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  109. on April 20, 2009 at 9:59 pm David Alexander

    She will pursue a gay man who will humiliate her and expose her to some truly awful STD’s rather than settling for a straight man in her pay grade. All because he can’t make her pretty little fantasies of being spirited off to a princess castle somewhere come true.

    It’s far better that she do that than nag a poor beta male to death. By avoiding beta males, she has spared them.

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  110. on April 20, 2009 at 10:07 pm Obsidian

    Dave Alex,
    Again, your analysis is flawed; there are clearly more single women having kids moreso than married ones. Where are the Betas? By definition, they wouldn’t have too much of a problem stepping into the breech. No, the case is clear: many Women have decided that its better to go it alone, for whatever reason.

    You have a completely unrealistic view of life in this regard Dave, no doubt a result of your over reliance on the internet and lack of realtime interaction w/people in general, and Women in particular. Sure, there are gold diggers around, but you need not be concerned of running afoul of any of em. You’re not in their league.

    As for marriage being such a raw deal, actually that’s more of a recent thing in human history; I’ve talked at some length about my own parents’ marriage, which, compared to what you’ve shared about you own, serves as an interesting comparison point. There is little doubt that your own views on marriage were shaped at least in part by what you saw in the home.

    Very interesting indeed.

    O

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  111. on April 20, 2009 at 10:13 pm Wounded Animal

    It’s far better that she do that than nag a poor beta male to death. By avoiding beta males, she has spared them.

    Well, men in domestic exile just say fuck it, I’ll play golf instead. Women vote or do social work and we all get screwed.

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  112. on April 20, 2009 at 10:27 pm Welmer

    Obsidian

    Welmer,
    I too have been giving this some thought, and I think that a lot of it has to do w/Lesbian Women; according to surveys done by the NIH, there are a bit mor “official” Lebsians than are Gay Males in America; some put the estimates in the former between 5 and 10% of the population. In any event, Women tend to be more interested in longterm pairbonding than are Men. So Gay Marriage would seem to make sense there.

    Well, the ironic thing there is that lesbian “marriages” are far more likely to fall apart than gay male marriages (as documented in Denmark, where they have been legal for some time). Perhaps they can’t fully expunge their female instincts? Lesbians have been, IMO, the most destructive influence on the American family of all. Why anyone ever lets them get involved in family law is beyond me — they are incapable of seeing beyond their own psychotic hatred of men and normal families.

    The biggest benefit to being a gay man is being able to live one’s life as one pleases with virtually no social pressure to submit to de facto slavery. Some of my gay friends still insist that being gay is very difficult, but they are mainly Catholics (by upbringing) and I suspect they can’t get rid of some of the guilt of failed family expectations.

    I simply tell them to look at the hell straight married guys often go through these days, and try to both have some sympathy and avoid the same trap themselves. To be perfectly candid, I have found some gay men to be among the most honest, steadfast friends I have known. Perhaps it’s because there is no competition there.

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  113. on April 20, 2009 at 10:29 pm schoolboy

    David Alexander,

    I read your blog and read this, “Or maybe it’s simply my attempt to create false images to provide an excuse as to why I don’t bother courting women. Either way, I’ll somehow determine what all of this really means at some point in my life.”

    I feel that by the time you “determine what all of this really means.” It will be too late.

    Accept your defeat with women and still sarge on.Practice.
    Hell, thats what I had to do.

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  114. on April 20, 2009 at 10:48 pm David Alexander

    There is little doubt that your own views on marriage were shaped at least in part by what you saw in the home.

    My parents have a good marriage, and my admittedly, they’re rather old fashioned in their viewpoints, and my mom would probably agree with Nicole’s view of “duty sex” in order to keep a man around. In contrast, I view them as the outliers given that my aunts’ marriages have ended in divorce or with the husband perpetually cheating on her. Then there’s the other aunt who may be the poster child for the woman who waited for the perfect husband. In contrast, my uncle is basically a player, he got married, and eventually discovered his wife cuckolded him. Then there are my mom’s friends who all prattle on their marriages as well.

    Eventually, you come to learn that marriage really isn’t workable for the vast majority of people.

    As for marriage being such a raw deal, actually that’s more of a recent thing in human history

    As I’ve stated, I view the old-fashioned marriage as a raw deal as well. The only sensible option is for a beta male to remain happy is to stay single and stay out of relationships since he can’t win.

    no doubt a result of your over reliance on the internet and lack of realtime interaction w/people in general, and Women in particular

    I’m simply an outsider making observations on the world around me.

    Sure, there are gold diggers around, but you need not be concerned of running afoul of any of em.

    Put it this way. If I had a middle class white collar career, I’d consider any woman showing an interest in me to be a gold digger who plans on lying to me. Why would any woman show an interest in a beta male when she could go chase alphas? The only reasonable explanation is that the woman seeks to use the beta male as leverage for herself and her children.

    No, the case is clear: many Women have decided that its better to go it alone, for whatever reason.

    I suspect that for many single women, it’s far easier to simply stay alone than to deal with the headaches of dealing with a beta male, especially if his wages are low or non-existent.

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  115. on April 20, 2009 at 10:49 pm z

    http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090421/Craigslist.Killer/

    Hope that isn’t our hooker-fuckin’ Lucifer…………………….but haven’t seen him here lately……

    you still “at large” out there dude? Hope that wasn’t you………., but that guy apparently was just screwing call girls day-after-day. The cops have nabbed him. Perhaps he felt he was being overcharged and underserved, like a customer with a bad french waiter or something….

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  116. on April 20, 2009 at 10:51 pm Tood

    Obsidian,

    Thanks, man. Wikipedia has some great articles on the Mughal Empire (a modification of the word ‘Mongol’), and their descent from Genghis Khan. An amalgam of Mongolian, Turkic, Indian, and hard Muslim cultures.

    Game :

    I always say that the most valuable aspect of knowing Game is to avoid being screwed over, tortured, or consumed with loneliness in regards to interactions with females. Scoring hot chicks is merely the second most important value of Game.

    Most men are so incurious about the female psychological profile, so lacking in observational skill, and so unable to put in the real effort needed to get results, that I laugh when I see someone worries about ‘Game saturation’. We are nowhere near having even 5% of the Male population schooled in Game (other than the ‘natural’ factor).

    More tragic are the guys who know about Game, and can discuss it intelligently, but have no ability to practice it, and get no results. That is a horrible limbo to be in, and all of us have been there at one time.

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  117. on April 20, 2009 at 10:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    The devil can’t kill nobody.

    The killer should get beat though that chick was hot except for the dead eyes.

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  118. on April 20, 2009 at 11:01 pm dougjnn

    Actually, I said above that I’m an “accomplished sailor”.

    That’s certainly true now, and has been for a long time.

    However, when I first took my adorable stripper gf to the Caribbean to bareboat charter, I’d never helmed more than the 30′ sailboat I owned at the time. That’s a small boat. I had however race crewed on a much bigger sailboat. That didn’t really teach me that much about how to handle big sailboats, except to not be awed.

    So I faked it.

    And I made it. I taught myself, completely and pretty much flawlessly.

    Yes I’d read up a bunch. Not obsessively, but quite a bit. A whole lot about where to go but that’s different from being a competent skipper.

    Guess what. Half way through day one, I’d mastered it all. Or very nearly. With my gorgeous adoring Texas stripper by my side.

    That’s how alpha’s fake it till they make it.

    Then I bought my own big sailboat, safely past divorce.

    Whatever.

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  119. on April 20, 2009 at 11:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’ve thought that would be the cheapest way to have a second house in states just get a boat no taxes right. I saw like 50 footers for like 9k.

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  120. on April 20, 2009 at 11:16 pm Welmer

    dougjnn

    Actually, I said above that I’m an “accomplished sailor”.

    That’s certainly true now, and has been for a long time.

    However, when I first took my adorable stripper gf to the Caribbean to bareboat charter, I’d never helmed more than the 30′ sailboat I owned at the time. That’s a small boat. I had however race crewed on a much bigger sailboat. That didn’t really teach me that much about how to handle big sailboats, except to not be awed.

    I love boats, but I’ve never learned to sail the big ones. I have done everything from sculling singles to piloting ships through the Inside Passage, but my dream is to sail a sloop, although I’d settle for a skiff for now so I can take my son crabbing in the sound.

    As a child, I remember taking a cruise through the Strait of Juan de Fuca in a large sailboat skippered by a huge Viking with long blond hair and a full beard. I thought he was the coolest guy in the world.

    Shiny motorcycles and big ships are the stuff of dreams for boys. What a happy life it is to be a man when you are free!

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  121. on April 20, 2009 at 11:24 pm agnostic

    I don’t even bother approaching fag hags in clubs anymore. Not that it took long to figure that out, but…

    It’s only the mediocre, attention-starved women who seek to keep a harem of hairlesses. And then their friends blow their ego so far out of proportion —

    “omigod, you look SO. HOT. in that dress. lemme tell you girl, if i were straight, i’d… i’d just… RAVISH you. rawr!”

    In reality, few guys want to sleep with her, and would rather chase hotter, younger snatch.

    The super young ‘uns are OK. Usually they’re just bringing a gay friend along for the novelty of it, not to give them a constant injection of ego-inflation.

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  122. on April 21, 2009 at 12:16 am Tood

    In other news, Brooke Shields (age 44) is finding that she is not getting too many gigs anymore, and the ones she gets are for the mother of the teenage star.

    Hollywoods still realizes that choosing a 40+ actress to play a role meant for a 25-year-old is a waste of money.

    Most female stars have only a 10-year window. When is the last time you saw Demi Moore in a film as a leading lady? Michelle Pfieffer? Sharon Stone? Kim Basinger? Lisa Kudrow? Mira Sorvino? Nicole Kidman? Julia Roberts?

    When is the last time Cindy Crawford, Kathy Ireland, or Claudia Schiffer appeared in a commercial?

    All the top women of the 90s are finished. Today, the top tier is Jessica Alba, Jessica Biel, Angelina Jolie, Eva Longoria, etc. These, too, will be gone in a decade.

    Honorable mention must go to Halle Berry and Salma Hayek(both age 42). They have held it together longer than most. Darker skin lasts longer than white skin.

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  123. on April 21, 2009 at 12:20 am Jack

    Being in NYC now, almost every girl I know seems to have at least one gay boyfriend. How many fags are IN this damn city? Anyway, this brings to one thing I was wondering – about the incidence of women actually hooking up with these gay guys. All these women here in the city to have gay boyfriends. How can I even feel comfortable hooking up with them when they might have been exposed to who knows what from a fag?

    So how much of a risk is this really?

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  124. on April 21, 2009 at 12:36 am Tood

    “So how much of a risk is this really?”

    The risk is very high. Mother Nature created AIDS to weed out defective genes, and thus ensured that the disease would infect those that are meant to be weeded out.

    Since urban women are hedonistic and not performing their duty to nature, mother nature will quietly weed them out. Making them get AIDS from gays (also meant to be weeded out) is one way. Childlessness is another.

    You can fool mother nature for a short while, but she always gets you in the end.

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  125. on April 21, 2009 at 12:40 am Max from Australia

    I look at every interaction with women as a potential court case – particularly those over 40yo

    So in this case under Australian Law if a gay guy were to co-habitate with the 40Yo in the Cl ad for more than 6 months, take the kids to the park and on play dates, and provide any form of financial support (even going halves in the bills and groceries) he could very easily still wind up losing his house and having to pay alimony and child support.

    Particularly if she has no other means of support and plays the domestic violence / child abuse card he could be kicked out of his house at a moments notice. And she woul d have the govt, police, and free legal aid in her corner.

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  126. on April 21, 2009 at 12:48 am the_alpha_male

    “I take it no one has read “The Secret Society,” by Tyler Durden. It covers this to some extent.”

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/1703802/Tyler-Durden-The-Tyler-Digest (p. 126)

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  127. on April 21, 2009 at 12:54 am Chuck

    I think what it boils down to is the straght woman/gay man relationship is symbiotic. They both get what they want out of it; companionship of a flattering nature. Straight women feel that its impossible to hang out with straight men on a platonic level, and correctly so, while gay men feel they can’t hang out with other gay men on a platonic level, and they can’t hang out with straight men due to the stigma attached, and lesbians hate them.

    Its not so much a cultural phenomenon as it is a relationship by default. Both sides’ options are limited.

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  128. on April 21, 2009 at 1:19 am z

    Max from Australia and

    Chuck……………………..

    You guys pretty much introduced the nail to the head there. Thats exactly what is going on with this.

    You heard it here first……………………..in about 10-15 more years, look for a big uptick in suicides as the first large generation of cougars get to be late-40’s/early 50’s and can no longer lie to themselves convincingly about where they are and what their future holds. Sleeping pills and vodka, and toy dogs left on the doorstep.

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  129. on April 21, 2009 at 2:24 am Max from Australia

    Z

    The reason that cougars target younger guys (and now gays apparently) is that the’re far far less likely to have pre-exisiting child support obligations… and will be in their prime earning (read alimony CS paying) years just as the cougar hits their mid 50s.

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  130. on April 21, 2009 at 2:43 am Thursday

    Nicole Kidman?

    Kidman has held on longer than most, mostly because she is by far the best actress of the bunch. Most female performers got where they are mainly on their looks and when the looks go, so does their career.

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  131. on April 21, 2009 at 2:53 am Tood

    ” (even going halves in the bills and groceries) he could very easily still wind up losing his house and having to pay alimony and child support. ”

    What? Even Australia is like this? For some reason, I thought Australia was a better place.

    I am certain that more and more men have evolved in the direction that I have – quietly rooting for Islam to clash with Western faggotism.

    Of course, if you marry a woman who makes equal money to you AND genuinely likes her job, your risk of getting stuck with child support is much lower.

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  132. on April 21, 2009 at 2:54 am Tood

    “Kidman has held on longer than most, mostly because she is by far the best actress of the bunch.”

    But she still doesn’t come in any major roles at top dollar billing anymore. She will never again earn what she did at 35.

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  133. on April 21, 2009 at 2:55 am Tood

    “particularly those over 40yo ”

    It is unlikely that she would get pregnant at that age.

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  134. on April 21, 2009 at 3:01 am Tood

    Okay, that’s it. I have to say it :

    In America (and apparently Britain and Australia), men are stupid.

    There are ‘Tea-Parties’ in America lately, to protest higher taxes and wasteful government.

    Why don’t men for Tea Parties to fight against unfair divorce laws? This will unite men of all ages and races. Sure, feminazis and Beta SWPL faggots will protest, but at the same time, this might be the best way to peel off black and Hispanic men from SWPL faggotism as a voting block.

    If men had any sense, they would organize around this.

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  135. on April 21, 2009 at 3:03 am Tood

    Max from Australia,

    So howcome Glenn McGrath was so attached to his wife? he devotes so much of his time to her foundation and her memory.

    Rather, he could otherwise consider himself lucky that she passed away, thus eliminating the chance of child support payments for his 2 kids, given that he is a wealthy sports superstar and all.

    Shane Warne was lucky not to have kids with Simone. She would have hit the lottery with that.

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  136. on April 21, 2009 at 3:18 am Obsidian

    Dave Alex,
    You’re still not getting it; you’re still making observations on the basis of a very limited and myopic view of thw world, much like trying to desrcibe what your block looks like on the basis of looking outside through the keyhole of your front door. You’ll get a much expanded view of things if instead you tried the window. 🙂 get what I’m saying?

    Schoolboy’s comments to you are dead on, and I find it quite ironic that a barely 20 year old kid-who has to deal with the very same issues you’re dealing with-can tell you something like that.

    Unles you aren’t aware of this Dave, no Man wants to deal with rejection, or put another way, failure. It hurts, all Men know this. Yet the vast majority of us soldier on, and many of us winout in the end, by landing a good looking girl for the longhaul-note I didn’t say “hot” or “smokin”- I merely said “good looking”.

    This is because, as PA said, gunning for the hotties as defined by Game (solid 9s to 10-pluses) carry within their own issues and setbacks, not to mention tradeoffs. One of them is the fact that such gals are high maintence.

    As for marriage being such a raw deal, actually its worked out for millions of people, and yea, that meant making some sacrifices and tradeoffs-in other words, they grew up and became full fledged adults. Refusing to recognize that everyone has to make some concessions in life is to continuing looking at life through the eyes of a child, a teenager at best. And while that may be cute in one’s younger years, by the time they reach 40, it can get pretty old, fast.

    O

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  137. on April 21, 2009 at 3:21 am Nicole

    Max, the reason cougars hang out with Gay men is because looks are easier to fix than character. Gay men will be brutally honest about looks, but won’t judge a woman harshly for being a hoe or a slut.

    Being a sane freak, I found myself hanging out with the Gay, but just as easily, straight and bi freaks. The overall social group was however, the ethical “boring” contingent of the freak community who do freaky things in commited relationships. Even my young, somewhat flamboyantly girly Gay friends were more the artsy drag show attendee type, not the how many drugs can you get high on and still maintain an erection type.

    So what these older, single women who aren’t dignified want from crazy Gay men is to be told that it’s okay that they don’t have any self respect, or that they want crazy stuff that straight guys would label them as sluts for. There’s a possible negative or positive reason that depends on the woman.

    There is also alot more to female sexuality than some of you are taking into account. When a woman gets older, she has less to lose from trying things (like orgies) that she thought about but didn’t do when she was younger. Gay men are the doorway to well…anything you could possibly desire.

    There are people who are into sex for the experiences, and not for the looks. As straight, fairly conventional males brought up in the Hollywoodian entitlement mentality, almost your whole focus is on whether or not a woman is “hot”. Some of you who are less sheeplike are concerned with whether or not a woman is young and nurturing/fit/fertile looking (which will make her naturally beautiful even if she doesn’t fit the Hollywood template), but you’re still mostly being attracted to and turned on by the woman’s appearance.

    When someone has needs other than three positions, a hole, and an image, they’re less picky about looks. Whatever you see in the porn sites and club scene, if you’ve ever been to a real life BDSM play party at someone’s home, you’ll understand what I mean. Very few to no “hotties”, and very few of anybody under 30.

    Now you can cry all you like about how “hot” people still get more attention, but the non hot people are getting enough that they aren’t missing anything but filtering the throngs of posers, which they can do without.

    The fag hag has access to scores of young, fit, open minded guys ready and willing to nail her to the wall, or crawl on their knees, if she wants that.

    That’s the draw: non judgemental, free, easy, dirty sex, in a supportive environment.

    …and despite the HIV fears many have, old White cougars are not catching it in substantial numbers because you won’t get AIDS through a pair of black rubber panties with a strap on.

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  138. on April 21, 2009 at 3:27 am Cannon's Canon

    “I always say that the most valuable aspect of knowing Game is to avoid being screwed over, tortured, or consumed with loneliness in regards to interactions with females. Scoring hot chicks is merely the second most important value of Game.”

    Tood, that is fucking ingenious. I will forward your quote to several of my platonic female friends who smile and ‘hate’ on what I explain to them as fact.

    “More tragic are the guys who know about Game, and can discuss it intelligently, but have no ability to practice it, and get no results. That is a horrible limbo to be in, and all of us have been there at one time.”

    True that this is terrible purgatory, but it is only that middle ground for alpha transcendence. I agree that “we have all been there;” some guys take it to the next level, some are too old / out of testosterone to advance, some just never had it in them. It’s not worth lamenting, just kinda the birds and the bees.

    “The risk is very high. Mother Nature created AIDS to weed out defective genes, and thus ensured that the disease would infect those that are meant to be weeded out.”

    Hahahahaha, bravo! – with my best faggy half-handed clap! most readers won’t even recognize your sarcasm!

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  139. on April 21, 2009 at 3:45 am Tood

    “Tood, that is fucking ingenious. I will forward your quote to several of my platonic female friends who smile and ‘hate’ on what I explain to them as fact.”

    You can manipulate them :

    “But don’t you always say that you WANT guys (sneakily point to yourself) who understand how to communicate with women in the right way? Don’t you WANT guys (self-point again) who pay attention to a woman’s needs, rather than just be nice guys who watch sports (point away from you)?”

    “This is what you always wanted, isn’t it? Are you adventurous enough to act on what you said you wanted, without letting the opportunity slip out of your life?”

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  140. on April 21, 2009 at 3:51 am Tood

    David Alexander,

    Getting rejected 6 times in the same afternoon of day-game is a million times better, as an experience, than moping around at home about how life sucks.

    Almost every regular commenter here has suffered some tragedy, serious hardship, or injustice in their lives. They haven’t let that spoil the remainder of their lives.

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  141. on April 21, 2009 at 4:43 am Obsidian

    Nicole,
    Very interesting comments, and for the record, I have attended quite a few BDSM functions in years past. Never took an age survey, but I’d guess that most of the Women there hovered around 30 or so, if not a bit older. So what you said has tallied well w/own observations.

    Having said that however, I really don’t pay too much attention to all the “hot babe” talk a lot of guys chatter on about, for a number of reasons. One, for the simple reason that a 9 or 10 is pretty much a rare find for most Men in their lives. Second, because I know Men and their need to inflate their egos; a major way of doing this is by scoring the hot chick, or at least talk like you do, in front of your peers. The harsh truth of the matter is that most guys, and here I mean guys with a moderate degree of Game and above, rarely score 8s, 9s & 10s consistently. Nice idea but rarely pans out in the realworld.

    Since most Men get no sex at all in the dating world, those who do, do so because they understand that they have to maximize their options in the environment-so if that means wanting a 9 but settling for a strong 7, they’ll take it. Heck, a strong 6 will do, despite all the talk to the contrary. Going through a sexual dryspell is real for Men, and no fun in the least. If you’re used to getting laid more than 12 times a year, turning up one’s nose at the 6 aint gonna get it.

    Again: Women can get sex virtually anytime she wants it; most Men however, get no sex at all. If one doesn’t understand this fundament of Game, all else they hear or read will only serve to confuse them.

    Hence why there seem to be so many bitter and angry Men in the Game community.

    O

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  142. on April 21, 2009 at 5:04 am Absinthe

    Nichole
    Does Game work in the Alternative club scene. The Goth/fetish community is a guarded and insular group. I don’t know if PUAs go to these clubs but am curious how well they would do if they did.

    Do Mystery’s techniques have to be changed in a Goth/Industrial club? Mystery may dress like a Goth Cowboy but that seems to be more to be noticed rather than an interest in Goth girls.

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  143. on April 21, 2009 at 5:07 am Cannon's Canon

    Feminism has finally reached new heights! And finally such heights that I can endorse!

    http://www.myspace.com/iwrestledabearonce

    The vocals are ALL female! I am going to try to make my way out to long island on may 14th and kick it to some dreamgirls in the crowd. You know I don’t really listen to this type of music, but I am actually really feeling this vibe – very ‘E-Town Concrete.’ The girls who dig this shit likely don’t mind getting smacked a few times in good fun and don’t post on feministing.com about how their first lover went too deep and thereby sexually assaulted them.

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  144. on April 21, 2009 at 6:52 am nilk

    Women who choose sexy bad boys invariably become single mothers and they become single mothers because they chose their own sexual pleasure over the well-being of their children.

    LOL, whiskey, what sexual pleasure?

    Just to take a sidestep from the topic, here on the idiot box last sunday 43 Minutes had an article on how cougars are out and proud.

    Interesting were the reactions of those being interviewed about having children. The younger men want children some day, and the older women have generally had theirs.

    The body language revealed more than they realise, I suspect.

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  145. on April 21, 2009 at 7:21 am nilk

    Is it the lack of love, or the lack of loyalty that everyone here complains about?

    Responsibility, the problem with “love” is the people just don’t seem to understand what it is.

    The rush of adrenaline and hormones you feel for the first few months with someone is not love. If you can find someone who accepts you as you are, can work with your more crap aspects, and who you can laugh with as well as romp in the hay with, and it’s reciprocal, then you might be onto something.

    “Love” does exist, but when you rarely see it in the open, it’s difficult to recognise.

    Loyalty is a part of love. You put the one you love first, and how many of us like to do that? You can do it with children because we’re hardwired to do that to our biological offspring, but casual sex and the lack of bonding agents mean there’s less opportunity for love and loyalty to develop.

    It’s an ongoing situation, not a stasis. As Roissy says, Game doesn’t stop because you’re in a LTR. It develops with the relationship.

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  146. on April 21, 2009 at 7:52 am nilk

    Shane Warne was lucky not to have kids with Simone. She would have hit the lottery with that.

    Tood, Warney’s got 3 kids with Simone.

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  147. on April 21, 2009 at 8:58 am Rome82

    Tood,

    Mother nature uses AIDS to weed out gays b/c they need to be weeded out? Eh, try again.

    Mother nature most likely uses gays for population control.

    And AIDS weeds out the stupid, regardless of gender, race, or orientation. Just natural selection at work once again.

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  148. on April 21, 2009 at 9:05 am Bhetti

    HIV prevalence: Yeah. regarding the prevalence in the community where my hospital(s) are at, it is mostly prostitutes, drug-users and immigrants from some African nations. I think O. would be a leetl annoyed (to understate) if we substituted the word ‘black’ for ‘gay’, the way some have been talking about it.

    So, what, the special condoms for anal sex don’t work?

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  149. on April 21, 2009 at 9:45 am Rome82

    Special condoms for anal? Not even aware of this. Damn, Behtti, you put me to shame.

    Just one more offense toward getting my gay card revoked. Why not. Black card went a long time ago.

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  150. on April 21, 2009 at 9:52 am Anonymous

    Roissy. Please comment on craigslist killer.

    Is he alpha, lesser alpha, beta, greater beta, super omega? Rate his game, please.

    We await your take on the matter.

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  151. on April 21, 2009 at 9:55 am Bug Chaser

    “Just one more offense toward getting my gay card revoked. Why not. Black card went a long time ago.”

    Speaking of black vs. gay…

    Q. Is it better to be black or gay?

    A. Black because you don’t have to tell your mom.

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  152. on April 21, 2009 at 10:28 am Rome82

    Might have to tell your dad though… following a paternity test.

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  153. on April 21, 2009 at 10:32 am Obsidian

    Bhetti,
    Yea, what you reported in the hospitals per the UK doesn’t surprise me at all. Its known that black folk tend to have more sex on average than Whites, and that they tend to engage in a more informal polyamorous structure moreso than Whites; both of these factors would explain why STDs in general would be higher than among the White populations, on average.

    Then you mentioned the drug abuse problems, which, especially when heroin is involved heightens the chances for infection greatly.

    O

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  154. on April 21, 2009 at 10:34 am Bhetti

    A deep examination (pun unfortunately intended) of condom types, scroll down to ‘the thickest condoms’ and ‘anal condoms?’ sections:
    http://www.aidsmap.com/en/docs/737730D8-EA82-417D-9093-E3A3CFBCE282.asp

    Note article is few years old and UK based. Still, something should be available.

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  155. on April 21, 2009 at 10:40 am lurker

    it may be too late for this column, but check it out: a owman who tells whiny media women to shut their pie holes:

    http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/04/18/if_you_cant_sta.html

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  156. on April 21, 2009 at 10:47 am Rome82

    Bhetti, while brute nature will undoubtedly remain pitiless, good karma comes your way on the transcendent plane for this public service.

    Interesting that in tests the “anal” condoms failed, & the most important factors in reliability were common sense–use lube, dont apply oil-based, only use lube on outside of condom etc. Natural selection at work all the time… and a little bit of luck.

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  157. on April 21, 2009 at 11:33 am Bug Chaser

    on April 21, 2009 at 10:32 am Obsidian

    And down-low sex and no condom usage. AIDs rates in DC of blacks approach that of African nations, maybe worse…
    Funny, the gays are the same way. Wailing about AIDS/STDs and they still don’t snap on a rubber. They can’t accept the concept of personal responsibility (it is always whitey’s fault, the Pope’s, not enough hugs or “social services” etc…). Imagine that!

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  158. on April 21, 2009 at 11:49 am Rome82

    *Big gay hug to Bug Chaser*

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  159. on April 21, 2009 at 11:57 am Bug Chaser

    Rome82
    *Big gay hug to Bug Chaser*

    Got your condom on?

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  160. on April 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm Rome82

    Only hug raw, sorry.

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  161. on April 21, 2009 at 1:57 pm Anonymous

    down-low sex phenomenon is a myth.

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  162. on April 21, 2009 at 2:36 pm Tood

    “Tood, Warney’s got 3 kids with Simone.”

    Wait, so isn’t he paying through the nose, then? He would be under either British or Australian laws, depending on where they filed/resided at the time.

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  163. on April 21, 2009 at 2:43 pm Virgin@40

    Good article. But :O Roissy, what a traitor to the race of men! Helping bitches… pff…

    “The next time you’re on a date, act as if she needs to do the homework needed to earn your attention. That is the alpha attitude that creams girls’ panties.”

    What does this exactly means? I’m perplexed.

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  164. on April 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm Bug Chaser

    “down-low sex phenomenon is a myth.”

    I’m sure it is. Just remember to be safe when eating dark meat. Your immune system will thank you…Don’t increase that 3%.

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  165. on April 21, 2009 at 3:36 pm Anonymous

    do you have reliable stats for down low myth bug chaser? not aids rates but down low stats in particular. or can you name black famous politicians and celebs who were outed as in the closet, then name white famous politicians and celebs who were outed as in the closet like mcgreevey and the others and then show that blacks have disproportionate rate of down low? show me some good proof besides hearsay from oprah.

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  166. on April 21, 2009 at 4:00 pm chic noir

    Tood When is the last time Cindy Crawford, Kathy Ireland, or Claudia Schiffer appeared in a commercial?

    Cindy Crawford and Claudia Schiffer are still working in high fashion. Claudia Schiffer is doing commercials in Europe.

    Katy Ireland is married to a beta doctor and is very very wealthy. Her income from her clothing line dwarfs her husband’s income.

    Most Hollywood movies are a load of crap. When is the last time you saw a quality Hollywood movie that wasn’t filled with a load of special effects. The months of September to December are the only time that Hollywood puts out anything half way decent and that’s because it’s award time. Older actresses l get roles in Europe and Nollywood. Maybe that says something about American culture and it’s attitude towards older women?

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  167. on April 21, 2009 at 4:05 pm Obsidian

    I’m wondering if anyone has any thoughts about the Ms. California controversey? Evidently she gave the “wrong” answer to a question on Gay Marriage, posed by Perez Hilton, a blogger and gay activist (question: how’d a gay guy get to be a judge of a beauty pagent?!?). A foreshadowing of things to come?

    O

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  168. on April 21, 2009 at 4:12 pm gig

    ^what kind of people would be judges in beauty pageants? Fashion industry is a monopoly of SWPLs. SHe should have given the SWPL answer.

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  169. on April 21, 2009 at 4:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””Virgin@40
    Good article. But :O Roissy, what a traitor to the race of men! Helping bitches… pff…

    “The next time you’re on a date, act as if she needs to do the homework needed to earn your attention. That is the alpha attitude that creams girls’ panties.”

    What does this exactly means? I’m perplexed.””””””””””””””

    Means she has to offer you something all the other woman don’t virgin. Because you can already get pussy. She has to offer that plus more to be special in the competition for your attention.

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  170. on April 21, 2009 at 4:15 pm chic noir

    Tood
    “So how much of a risk is this really?”
    The risk is very high. Mother Nature created AIDS to weed out defective genes, and thus ensured that the disease would infect those that are meant to be weeded out.
    Since urban women are hedonistic and not performing their duty to nature, mother nature will quietly weed them out. Making them get AIDS from gays (also meant to be weeded out) is one way. Childlessness is another.
    You can fool mother nature for a short while, but she always gets you in the end.

    Was this a joke tood?
    Why don’t lesbians suffer from any STD’s at the same rate that str8 and gays do? Things are so simple yet so difficult. AS

    Anonymous
    down-low sex phenomenon is a myth.
    I have some tranny and drag queen friends so I have inside knowledge and yes the DL is alive and kicking. Fun fact: The DL crosses the color line.

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  171. on April 21, 2009 at 4:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Every woman can have sex not every woman can be interesting, loyal, loving, feminine, and help you rule the world.

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  172. on April 21, 2009 at 4:28 pm David Alexander

    Yet the vast majority of us soldier on, and many of us winout in the end, by landing a good looking girl for the longhaul-note I didn’t say “hot” or “smokin”- I merely said “good looking”.

    Yes, you may tolerate her existence, but for all intents and purposes, does she really want you, or are you just a toy until a guy with better game and more sex appeal comes around? In theory, given that there’s always another better looking guy out there, it may make sense to aim for the 9 or 10, brag about her while she’s with you to other guys, and when she bails for somebody better, leave with the knowledge that you got to bang a 9/10.

    Besides, if you have game, why would you waste it on a relationship for when you have the ability to bang as more women than average?

    that meant making some sacrifices and tradeoffs-in other words, they grew up and became full fledged adults

    The problem is that the sacrifices and trade-offs just aren’t worth it from my point of view, and singlehood is a valid form of adulthood if you’re willing to accept the consequences. Yes, I know that as I age, I will have less and less support for family and friends, but the money that I will save from avoiding marriage can be used to ensure that I can enjoy my life and eventually ensure proper care in my old age.

    Getting rejected 6 times in the same afternoon of day-game is a million times better, as an experience, than moping around at home about how life sucks.

    While moping around about how life sucks does actually suck after a while, sitting at home and reading Wikipedia is more fun than going to a loud bar, having a mundane conversation, and being exposed to public embarrassment.

    both of these factors would explain why STDs in general would be higher than among the White populations, on average

    I also suspect that it’s also due to lower white blood cell counts in blacks and weaker absorption of vitamin D due to our darker skin.

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  173. on April 21, 2009 at 4:30 pm Fat Meat

    Obsidian

    “I’m wondering if anyone has any thoughts about the Ms. California controversey? Evidently she gave the “wrong” answer to a question on Gay Marriage, posed by Perez Hilton, a blogger and gay activist (question: how’d a gay guy get to be a judge of a beauty pagent?!?). A foreshadowing of things to come?”

    Only a female (or homo) would care about that. You’re 0-2 and slipping again. Get back in form! Smart to stay out of the gun commentary though… See ya at the sandtrap!

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  174. on April 21, 2009 at 4:37 pm Nicole

    Obsidian, most guys probably wouldn’t *openly* turn up their nose at a woman who’s basically clean and free of major defects, but they don’t treat them all that well either. Living in Israel, where I’m very socially inconvenient, I know what someone below the bar gets treated like…a dirty secret until something “better” comes along.

    So it’s not just about the sex. It’s about the supportive environment for it. Get treated like crap enough in one social circle, and you’re inspired to find another.

    So it’s about the respect really. Men who are more woman-like in mentality are the next best thing to dating a girl.

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  175. on April 21, 2009 at 4:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””da,
    The problem is that the sacrifices and trade-offs just aren’t worth it from my point of view, and singlehood is a valid form of adulthood if you’re willing to accept the consequences. Yes, I know that as I age, I will have less and less support for family and friends, but the money that I will save from avoiding marriage can be used to ensure that I can enjoy my life and eventually ensure proper care in my old age.””””””””

    You only save if you make more than you spend. If you never do then you never save. Getting old does not guarrantee savings. Saving does.

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  176. on April 21, 2009 at 4:42 pm Obsidian

    Fatman,
    There’s always room for one (or three) more in the sandtrap, don’t you know. Let’s see how accurate an AK can be clogged up w/sand at 20 paces, hmm?

    O

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  177. on April 21, 2009 at 4:54 pm chic noir

    both of these factors would explain why STDs in general would be higher than among the White populations, on average

    DA I also suspect that it’s also due to lower white blood cell counts in blacks and weaker absorption of vitamin D due to our darker skin.
    DA, some Europeans also have a gene that protects them from HIV. IIRC, it’s the same gene which developed as a result of surviving the blk plague.

    gig
    ^what kind of people would be judges in beauty pageants? Fashion industry is a monopoly of SWPLs. SHe should have given the SWPL answer.

    The fashion industry does not have many SWPLs. The fashion world is filled with freaks and geeks who were teased in high school for their awkwardness and far out eccentric tastes. The fashion crowd are not the type who would appear on a “I was a geek then but look at me now” episode of Maury.

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  178. on April 21, 2009 at 4:58 pm gig

    The fashion industry does not have many SWPLs

    I read somewhere that people who work for the fashion industry voted for John mcCain, 75% to 25%. I t is also well known that people in the fashion industry believe that the Bible is the literal word of God.

    Another point, there is a widespread lack of concerns about status in the fashion industry. No one cares if people are fat, ugly, old. The fashion industry is well known for placing so much value in older women.

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  179. on April 21, 2009 at 5:30 pm Nicole

    Gig, I think what she was trying to say is that they’re mostly people who stared too long into the abyss…

    Now they’ve basically become the masters of the monsters who made them miserable.

    I know a guy like that…up and coming fashion designer who is basically setting the Los Angeles scene on its ear and succeeding while many of those who talked down to him are failing. He was teased or ignored by all except the teachers in high school, and in university, he was put down a bit for his ideas.

    Now everybody wants a piece of him. It’s kind of funny to see how things are panning out.

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  180. on April 21, 2009 at 5:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    Can we just say white people instead of swpl now that is getting funny.

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  181. on April 21, 2009 at 7:22 pm chic noir

    http://www.tmz.com/2008/04/03/tranny-rapper-shanghai-surprises-lover

    possible DL brother

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  182. on April 21, 2009 at 8:20 pm Comment_Responsibility2

    Me:

    I’d like to draw a line here between the often negative trait of ‘responsibility’ and the positive trait of loyalty.

    Non-loyalist:

    Loyalty in general should not be seen as such a positive trait. It is very human and understandable but there’s nothing noble about it. Being loyal means doing blindly and stubbornly what’s good for someone close or otherwise important to you, regardless of others. It goes against morals and justice and righteousness. Essentially, it’s about “us v. them”, and it’s partly supported by law, as evidenced by spousal incrimination privileges.

    Again, very human, nothing noble.

    ‘The case against loyalty’ sounds like a Harvard Law debate position.

    My rebuttal is that, first, loyalty is not the much mentioned ‘responsibility’. ‘Responsibility’ is often a one-way street and hardly depends at all on the person who is to benefit from the ‘responsibility’. They have a title, mother/father/daughter/brother/employer/son(real or not!) and that means you have a ‘responsibility’ towards them regardless of what they have done or not done. Their actual actions and character matter hardly at all from the standpoint of ‘responsibility’.

    ‘Responsibility’ is big on social shaming, and if that doesn’t work is more than willing to pick up a big old club and switch straight to force. The one-way street nature of ‘responsibility’ makes it easy to create completely abusive situations.

    Loyalty, to a person, not a title, is almost always a two way street, and is far harder to create abusive situations with. Thus people yammer for ‘responsibility’ but not ‘loyalty’ because ‘loyalty’ causes light to be shown uncomfortably at themselves and the ‘deserving persons’ they are talking about. Loyalty is always to a person, specific group, or ideal. Titles don’t cut it.

    In conclusion,
    Responsibility is the enabler of injustice far more often than it enables justice.

    Loyalty, while not necessarily noble, causes problems for injustice far more often than it causes problems for justice.

    So while loyalty itself may just be human nature, it has a positive effect… generally.

    Generally! Ha! Try to pin that down! And if you do, I’ll just say what you call loyalty is actually responsibility! Really, though, I’m trying to be clear about unclear things.

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  183. on April 21, 2009 at 10:04 pm Anonymous

    I have some tranny and drag queen friends so I have inside knowledge and yes the DL is alive and kicking. Fun fact: The DL crosses the color line.

    oh brother. of course there are closeted black gay people in existence genius, no one is claiming there aren’t. the question is whether it’s a epidemic in the black community in comparison to other races. dl phenomenon is not just about whether black community has gay men in closet. every race does. it’s about whether there is disproportionate amount of closeted gay men in comparison to closeted gay men of other races.

    this is what there’s no proof of, that closeted gay men are a significantly more prevalent problem in the black community than others. it’s an oprah-spread myth.

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  184. on April 21, 2009 at 10:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Comment Responsability

    Loyalty

    Good point

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  185. on April 21, 2009 at 10:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    This goes to the point of if you had no arms and legs would your loyal woman still love you maybe not passionatly but maybe out of loyalty. Would that be love or loyalty or commitment.

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  186. on April 22, 2009 at 11:13 am Comment_Responsibility3

    Non-Loyalist’s case against loyalty does mention problems loyalty can cause, and I didn’t intend to deny them. However, I think that the benefits, generally, outweigh the negatives.

    I would like to underline ‘Title’ mania though, as it has risen to near-madness in America, and regardless of the problems of Loyalty, is a far worse a problem current. People are looked on by their Title. Wife/Husband/Child/White/Black/Male/Female/Jew/Gay/Alpha/Beta/Whatever, and they are defined completely by it.. The quality of the person matters not at all.

    SWPL’s love the Magic Black Man they have elected President. Not because of the person he is…. but because he is the Magic Black Man who will usher in an age of racial harmony. Again, his title is the only thing they care about, the man himself is quite irrelevant. The quality of his character means nothing. Any half-white/half-black man with a minimum level of charisma would have done as well.
    It must eat at the Obama to know that his followers don’t even care about him as a person, just a Magic Black Man. Assuming he has the self-awareness to know that.

    We elected a person President because he had the Title of Half-Black/Half-White Man.

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  187. on April 23, 2009 at 1:17 am Gunslingergregi

    I can agree comment to label is easy to discard. Of course falling under a good label with benefits who wants to throw that away.

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  188. on April 23, 2009 at 2:15 am Nicole

    Gunslinger, it’s love.

    Love makes you loyal to people even when there’s no logical reason to be so.

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  189. on April 23, 2009 at 2:22 am Gunslingergregi

    Look at the romantic nicole he he he I think also beyond that making a descision to love period does help the love.

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    Well since last summer I banged 6 chicks, if chicks have “degenerated” then viva la degeneracion!

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