There is a local radio station that runs a prank every week called “War of the Roses”. The station enlists a willing participant — usually a girlfriend/wife — who suspects she is being cheated on by her boyfriend/husband. Sometimes the girl gives the name of the other woman she suspects her boyfriend is banging. The DJ will then pose as a flower merchant and call the boyfriend to tell him he has won a contest and the prize is a free bouquet of flowers he can have delivered to anyone he wishes. Over the station’s phones, the poor dupe’s girlfriend will secretly listen in on his decision.
Almost every guy falls for this prank. And nearly all of them are confirmed as cheaters, because nine times out of ten the boyfriend will have the flowers delivered to his mistress/downlow lover, and hysterics of varying dramatic force by the jilted girlfriend/wife will ensue over the phones. It’s good fun for everyone but the couple.
The prank, besides its entertainment value, serves to demonstrate quite clearly how alpha males behave and how women react to alphas. As I’ve written before, when you are starting out the best way to learn game is to observe a natural alpha in field — his mannerisms, speech, attitude, and deftness with which he handles a woman’s shit. (You can also learn a lot about what *not* to do by observing the natural beta in the field.)
Since it’s self-evident that nearly all men who have the option of cheating on their girlfriends are alpha (1. they have a girl, 2. they are attractive to other girls, 3. they have the testosterone to not give a fuck about the repercussions), the “War of the Roses” prank is a window into the relationships of women with alpha males, and Exhibit A on how alpha males react when they have wronged their women.
What you will learn from this prank won’t be surprising to anyone who is a reader of my blog, but it’s fun to have the theory proven correct — again and again — by real life examples, and proven so incontrovertibly, too. So how do the boyfriends react when the prank is revealed, their unfaithfulness uncovered, and their girlfriends’ voices cracking with tears and anger?
- He will never apologize or get defensive. One guy said he was sorry, and that was the only guy I can remember whose girlfriend dumped him over the air.
- He will first curse out the DJ before acknowledging his girlfriend’s presence on the phones. This can go on for an amusingly long time as the girlfriend tries to get a word in edgewise.
- He will go on the offensive, accusing his girlfriend of “blowing things out of proportion”, “being a bitch for calling him out on the radio”, or “getting way too dramatic”. He will often tell his girlfriend to shut up and stop crying, then in an ominous tone of voice, “we’ll talk about this later”. He preempts his girlfriend’s fury and indignation with his own.
- The girlfriend will try to get him to prostrate himself, asking “Why?” and “How do you think this makes me feel?” He will never oblige.
- The girlfriend will ask about the other woman. “Do you love her?” “Does she have something I don’t?” He will never oblige.
- If the girlfriend hurls imprecations at him, and the drama level reaches Code Irate, he will hang up with a jaded “Fuck you”, “This is horseshit” or “I’m done” while the DJs beg him to stay on the line.
- After he has hung up, the DJs will ask the girlfriend if she will stay with her alpha cheating boyfriend — or rather, they’ll try to persuade her to dump the guy — and, invariably, she will hem and haw and make excuses and you just know she isn’t going anywhere. Some of the girls even mention his positive qualities, which are funny in themselves as these qualities often take the form of “he makes me feel special”.
Occasionally, a cheating boyfriend turns out to be a beta at heart. (Yes, natural born betas sometimes cheat, but it’s rare because the opportunity is limited.) You can always tell these guys, because they are the ones whose voices go shaky as they mousily deny wrongdoing and then apologize profusely when the jig is up. After his confession, he is in ankle-grabbing mode and his girlfriend and the DJs anally rape his dignity on the air. He will shower her with promises. She will then threaten to dump him, her voice tone having switched abruptly from hurt girlfriend to ballcutting bitch lawyercunt, and she will usually hang up first, while he futilely laments “Man, I fucked up.”
Maxim #49: If you plan on cheating and get caught, act like a total dick who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did.

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Could some of the couples actually be in on the prank (you said it’s well-known in the area) and are actually pranking the radio station?
Peter
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The do the same prank here in San Diego it’s called “cheaters hotel” here.
This past week a guy was caught in the act and his excuse was classic: “Well the economy has got me down and she was there when I needed her” The story was such bullshit and he was actually able to put it over on the chick. I had to give the guy credit for using such a stupid line and making it work.
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After he has hung up, the DJs will ask the girlfriend if she will stay with her alpha cheating boyfriend – or rather, they’ll try to persuade her to dump the guy — and, invariably, she will hem and haw and make excuses and you just know she isn’t going anywhere.
Wonder how often her secret plan is to get revenge and cheat on him before she dumps him?
“Of course I forgive you!” (because I haven’t gotten you back yet…)
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Acting like a total dick certainly doesn’t seem like a BAD course of action, but I preferred this advice:
“…Have an affair and make sure she finds out about it. Arrange the confrontation so that it does not happen at your place. When she confronts you, don’t get defensive. Don’t speak at all. Let her vent. Let her punch you in the chest and scream obscenities. When she takes a breather, tell her she’s never looked more beautiful and you will never stop loving her. Then without waiting for her response calmly walk out the door and break off all contact for two weeks. When she comes back to you… and she will… you will have a love slave for life.”
Imagine someone doing this over the air–that is, staying eerily, mysteriously, inexplicably quiet while the girlfriend screams and the DJ prods, then unexpectedly saying (calmly) “you have every right to vent. I love you more than you’ll ever know.” Then hanging up and cutting off contact for a week or two. The disarmingly bizarre nature of this response, I think, would assure it to be far more effective than the dick route.
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You should compile your maxims into one place. I think a tab next to the commandments of poon would be a nice roped off area for them.
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What station is it?
PS: if you watched “Sex and the City” movie you’ll have seen the beta husband who cheated on his wife once after she had acted like a frigid bitch for somethign like a year through no fault of his own.
He begged and groveled for months. He was married to evil-looking redhead with the bulging eyes.
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There is a scene in “Sex and the City” movie that Peter would find inspiring. It happens on the outdoor patio at the resort in Mexico where the four are lunging.
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PA, she became a lesbian in real life.
Charlotte was the only hot bitch on that show.
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anon78, trying to decide if that course of action is beta or not.
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There is a scene in “Sex and the City” movie that Peter would find inspiring.
I’ve never seen the movie,* but somehow I can guess what this particular scene involves.
* = I’d rather watch the washing machine for two hours
Peter
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i agree with this maxim.
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in a separate note, last night I was drawn into a “never have I ever” game at a bar. 3 girls and 4 guys.
By far the biggest drinkers in the game were the women. When you have to debate whether being triple penetrated is a gangbang or just fun, you’re a whore.
guys, never believe anything a woman tells you about her sexual past, considering I know these sluts were only loose enough (pun intended) to spill the beans due to copious alcohol.
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“Maxim #49: If you plan on cheating and get caught, act like a total dick who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did.”
This also holds true if you are using TARP money to buy a $30,000 toilet for your private office. Thain was in the clear until he admitted he was wrong – then, they threw his ass out.
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This is really timely, because I am about to bang a chick from work who is 15 years younger than me. My wife knows her, and knows that she is in to me. My wife hasn’t given a full green light for me to cheat, but I see it as a “don’t ask, don’t tell” situation. I have proposed a threesome, but the wife is stalling, which I am going to interpret as “go ahead and fuck her, but don’t tell me about it.”
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lurker
Are you kidding me? It’s not remotely beta. It’s alpha gold.
However it’s risky. It’s a real double or nothing strategy.
Inherently it works. That is it creates in her a huge pull towards him, and a panicy fear of losing him. However, it’s going against our entire culture and all her programming. The trouble with it is that it leaves the field of her mind undefended from the “you MUST leave him to preserve any shred of dignity” programing from her female friends.
It’s the right thing to do but the two weeks is what I have trouble with. If she texts him the next day, he’s golden.
I’m thinking it would be better for him to respond to her overtures the next day, but then refuse to talk about “the issue” until she’s fully calmed down. Which will end up taking weeks.
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Plethora–
And you know it’s fake how exactly?
Radio stations aren’t just swimming in dough these days. Just because a lot of stations do something similar doesn’t make it fake. It would be a lot easier to do this for real than to fake it. A whole lot easier.
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Could some of the couples actually be in on the prank
it’s remotely possible, but not likely. the couples would have to be the world’s best actors. and the prank isn’t that well known as there are plenty of competing stations in the region.
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lurker–
Samantha was clearly once hot, but that was long ago. She’s also SUCH a predatory whore of a slut that it’s hard to look at her objectively.
That redhead feminist bitch lawyer I literally would refuse to fuck period. She literally repulses me.
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lurker–
Wrong attitude man. Enjoy sluts. Encourage them to wallow in the sluttiness. Celebrate it in them. Slut them up yourself.
Just don’t settle in with one, much less marry one. Some can make good fuck buddies though. Oh yeah.
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I am Jacks excessive compulsion to cheat without mercy on my bitchy partner.
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THIS IS A FAKE PRANK. It is done by every douche radio show across the country.
And you know it’s fake how exactly?
Radio stations aren’t just swimming in dough these days. Just because a lot of stations do something similar doesn’t make it fake. It would be a lot easier to do this for real than to fake it. A whole lot easier.
Not necessarily. Doing a stunt like this for real could result in various legal troubles for the radio station. It isn’t hard to imagine the station getting sued for defamation of character or something of that sort. Or being subject to criminal prosecution, if one of the participants goes and shoots the other one. There could even be violence directed against the station itself. People can be very unpredictable when there are domestic issues at stake.
Peter
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Isn’t sending flowers, regardless of how free they are, pretty beta anyway? I mean, since she presumably hasn’t earned them, why would an alpha bother sending them to either?
DJ: You have won a contest and the prize is a free bouquet of flowers you can have delivered to anyone you wish.
Me: No thanks, buddy. [click]
Worst case, send them to your mom. I can’t think of anything more alpha than sending mom flowers…
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Its solid advice. Doesn’t matter if its a prank or not.
If you find yourself on the accusatory end of cheating (rightly or wrongly) tell her to shut the fuck up and stop making a scene.
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Peter:
“Or being subject to criminal prosecution, if one of the participants goes and shoots the other one. ”
Yeah, that happened with the Jenny Jones show a while back. Some guy told another guy that he was in love with him. The object of love murdered the guy who brought him on air.
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wow. that prank is harsh.
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doug:
“Samantha was clearly once hot, but that was long ago.”
—-Kim Cattrall is so old, when she did Porky’s (1982) she was still too old to play a student. She had to play a teacher ( a skanky one at that, natch.
So yes, in the 1860s, she was hot. But she hasn’t been hot since they invented electricity.
“She’s also SUCH a predatory whore of a slut that it’s hard to look at her objectively. ”
—Samantha was meant to be an old gay man trapped in a woman’s body—she was the main character meant to represent the non-queen gay men on the show.
“Wrong attitude man. Enjoy sluts. Encourage them to wallow in the sluttiness. Celebrate it in them. Slut them up yourself. Just don’t settle in with one, much less marry one. Some can make good fuck buddies though. Oh yeah.”
—Never said I wasn’t going to fuck them. Just saying that they’re worthless as people, only good for sex.
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This is good advice. The 48 Laws of Power state “Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any mistakes you commit through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity. Everyone admires the bold; no one honors the timid.”
The worst thing that can happen when you get caught cheating is that she will dump you. If you accept this as the likely endgame, you have nothing to lose by being a hard ass when confronted. The pitfall is when you can’t or won’t accept the idea of her dumping you. The power in a relationship belongs to the one who has the LESSER desire for the other.
Also, I’d recommend using female logic when caught cheating. When women cheat, they claim it’s not their fault because they weren’t getting what they needed from their partners. Why can’t men claim the same thing?
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Very simple way to get around this gentlemen; its clearly laidout in The Game:
You simply tell the girl upfront that you have other Women you see, and have no intention in the least of stopping; they can be down with the program, or leave.
The End.
Much easier that going through all the stuff mentioned above.
O
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Screw the radio show. The daily news is much more interesting. Shades of Dexter!
More interesting is the reaction of the Craiglist killer fiance who thinks the alpha predator is
a) innocent
b) engaged to her
c) being railroaded
d) wasn’t cheating on her
How many want to take the 1cent bet that he’s been using escort service girls for years for quick effective pussy-on-the-side?
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EG
Got a link?
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flowers are “sub-gifts” . they are cheap, you can do everything online, women love them, and they don’t have that side effect of real gifts (clothes, shoes, etc). Give flowers, and nothing else, in special dates.
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lurker–
You’ll get a lot more and better slut sex if you like sluts. Anyway, I just do. That’s not to say that I don’t teasingly put them down for being sluts. Hell no.
Or anyway, I like certain kinds of sluts. The hard assed mannish feminist bitch kind, no thank you. But sluts who really want to be your girlfriend but can be easily diverted by being encouraged to be yet more outrageous in their sluttiness, they can be a whole lot of fun. Their need for approval is great. Simultaneously teasing them (which I now know to call negging them) about their whorishness, which virtually all sluts are actually highly defensive about if they’re attracted to you, and encouraging more of it can be sooooooo good.
If you’ve never gotten a slut to fuck friends of yours for you, or otherwise directed their fucking in part, it’s an experience you should try. So is jokingly (sort of) arguing with a fuck buddy slut about whether she has to come over and give you a booty call even if she is too tired and has an early morning — esp. when she gives in. Or going to a bar with your fuck buddy slut and working out together who she’s going to blatantly seduce, and then making her fuck the guy in the bathroom — and then laughing and getting more drunk with her afterwards when she comes back to your table.
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“”””””””””””””””Jay Gatsby
This is good advice. The 48 Laws of Power state “Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any mistakes you commit through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity. Everyone admires the bold; no one honors the timid.”””””””””””””””””””””””””
“””””””””””””””””””on April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm Obsidian
Very simple way to get around this gentlemen; its clearly laidout in The Game:
You simply tell the girl upfront that you have other Women you see, and have no intention in the least of stopping; they can be down with the program, or leave. “””””””””””””””””
Have the nuts to tell her before you cheat. I mean you know when you want to fuck other woman. Grab balls and tell her. Give her some dignity where she can make a descision to leave or stay. Not be a little bitch that has to hide from your woman what you gonna do.
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Hey, question for the alphas in the room.
Had two solid dates with this girl (after getting her number). She agreed to the first date easily, was “busy” leading up to the second one but actually contacted me to set up the date after she had cancelled and I didn’t contact her back.
Anyway, she cancelled a third date for a family reason that was legit if it was real. When she called me, I let my displeasure at her shit slip into my voice but didn’t call her out. I said I was busy and had no idea when I’d be free again. She said I should call her when I needed a “study break” (I’m in school).
My question for you guys: should I just wait to see if she contacts me or I make contact when I do get some free time?
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Truth about timid too. If I would have been timid in a lot of situations in my life I’d probably be dead.
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Lurker
I’ve got to give you that one Lurker. Props.
I’m still rereading that line and the build up to it, and laughing.
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broken record:
Not necessarily. Doing a stunt like this for real could result in various legal troubles for the radio station.
there are no legal issues. i did some research before writing this post. there is no evidence beyond the assertions of doubters that the show is staged. like i said, the reactions of the duped men and jilted women is so authentic they’d have to be highly trained actors to pull it off so convincingly.
this is not to suggest that all of the episodes are real. some of them may indeed be fake, especially the more outlandish ones that involve professional athletes and the like. also, i’m going by my memory of the show as i haven’t listened to it much recently. it may be the case that the show started off real, then when word got out and other radio stations began copying the format, the incentive to produce fake episodes increased.
jet:
Isn’t sending flowers, regardless of how free they are, pretty beta anyway? I mean, since she presumably hasn’t earned them, why would an alpha bother sending them to either?
DJ: You have won a contest and the prize is a free bouquet of flowers you can have delivered to anyone you wish.
Me: No thanks, buddy. [click]
i bet that many alphas the station calls do this, and the station simply filters out those clipped attempts.
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PCBPiper –
I say wait a few days and when you are free send her a sly text saying something to the effect of “I’m ready for my study break..”
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PCBPiper–
You made a good first impression on her, but blew your first date with her. Not completely perhaps, but you sure didn’t wow her.
This girl is interested in you but isn’t really intrigued or hot for you. She wants to keep you available, but isn’t about to give it up to you. She’s hoping something better comes her way soon. BTW, how hot is she on the ten scale?
You need to do much better with her. One more tepid date and it’s over with her if she’s got lots of alternatives. Further, even if she does for various reasons still see you as boyfriend material, you’re headed straight to beta boyfriend, where she calls most of the shots. That’s not where hotness lies for either of you.
That was the right move, if the displeasure wasn’t too strong. The best thing to communicate would not be anger but that you don’t have time for flaking and you’re about to lose interest. Your background thinking is that for you there are other fish in the sea.
Neg her more. Push her away, then pull her in. Be cocky, bordering on arrogant around her. I’m guessing you’re quite good looking but aren’t projecting boldness.
You’ll definitely be in a stronger position if she contacts you first at this stage. But she clearly left the ball in your court.
Arrange for her to see you talking with a hot girl or two (who might have you in LJBF territory, that’s ok esp. if she doesn’t know that), if you can pull that off.
After several days if she doesn’t contact you, goldenseed’s text isn’t a bad idea.
However, gaming how to text her is a lot less important than taking her on an emotional roller coaster at your next face to face. btw, the less of a formal date it is the better. The last thing you want to do with her at this stage is to make her think you’re trying real hard.
Instead make her think that though you’re intrigued by her still, it’s her last chance with you.
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“there are no legal issues.”
Don’t know who can say that aside from a judge in any given case. The fact of the matter is that existing law has been successfully applied in new ways quite often. Your research doesn’t prove much except that you’d be a shitty lawyer for someone looking for compensation.
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Ian,
We missed you! How are things in Deutschland? Sehr Gut? I was beginning to think you’ve been able to go cold turkey. But just like a junkie, you always come back. Fell off the wagon, you did.
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I had never heard of this before but after listening to a couple of them online it seems like an obviously staged gimmick done by typical no talent morning DJ dorks.
It reminds me of the fake “Girl-rejects-marriage-proposal” stunts done at sporting events.
Mourning DJ dorks = All Betas. Including Legendary Super Beta Howard Stern.
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Being beta/cheating gets you killed.
[editor: cheating is not an indicator of betaness. you didn’t read the story you linked to carefully.]
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Bhetti
Yeah. Or makes women enraged anyway.
The script in her head is something like:
“YOU cheating on ME!!!??? If I wanted a no good unfaithful son of a bitch I sure as hell wouldn’t have chosen YOU. (I’d have gone with xxxx. At least he was exciting, you worthless asshole.)”
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Gunny, PCB,
Thought I’d reply to you both in light of recent comments made by both of you.
I learned a long time ago, and have re-affirmed/confirmed this in more recent times, that chasing a Woman rarely comes to good. It can happen, but its kinda like a thing of diminishing returns. The reasons for this are easy to see once one understands Game: Women are very used to Men chasing them down for the chance to get in their pants-often, its a signal of desperation. Its what guys who don’t get laid more than, max, 12 times a year (or, once a moth-let that sink in for a minute), if that, do. And Women know this, even if on the intuitive level. And it tends to turn them off.
So, I learned, that it was important to adopt a completely non-chalant, no pressure attitude, even before I starting being to order up the kinds of Women I wanted. How did I do that?
By assessing the numbers in the dating world. Now, because I’m a Black Man, things actually skew in favor of me, because as we all know, a good Man is hard to find in the hood-and, because a Brotha can be quite in demand among Hispanics, Whites, and even a few Asians, if he plays his cards right.
So, that gives the Sistas who want my attention incentive to get with the program. And if they don’t, no sweat off my back. Next!…
See, you gotta understand something: Women expect the average dude to go off the rails at the chance that he might he just might get in her pants. Many Women are under the assumption that they hold the trump card, their pussies. And sad to say, in many cases, they’d be right.
But that doesn’t work on me. I refuse to chase any female down. ONLY after I’ve been fucking her thoroughly, to my satisfaction, for at least a month or so, do I begin to really invest anything. Until then, *she* must invest herself, *first*. This ensures that she’s really serious.
So, PCB, you ask how you should proceed on that date thing? My response is, do absolutely nothing. She’s got your number, she knows how to find you, and if she wants you that bad, she’ll call or come over, etc. I’ve done this many times. Lemme tell you about a few.
I have two Women I deal with presently, Brown Sugah & The Nurse. Now, the way I handle things, particularly the latter, is that I simply won’t call or text, just drop off the radar screen. Then, she’ll call, like she did last week, asking me, if I didn’t want her anymore, LOL. And she asked in a very hurt voice.
Just the other day she asked what hairstyle she should get. Remember, I don’t call or text her. She calls and texts me. And she asks for my approval.
I learned awhile back exactly how to handle her-do nothing. When she comes around, and makes an upfront non-returnable investment, *then* I respond. She will take an active role in her seduction-she will know that she’s delving into her Inner Ho. And be completely cool with that.
Now, she knows the deal w/my other Woman, but she dare not ask about it, because I might drop off the radar screen again. Better she leave it alone, and play her position because she know that guys like me are few and far between. Not only am I kind but I can fuck too.
But she knows not to take my kindness for a weakness.
PCB and all my brothers reading this, please getteth this straight: Silence, is Golden, indeed.
Any questions? 😉
The Obsidian
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Your real life experiment here is interesting, but the subgroup studied limits conclusions to a tiny population of drama-prone women. What type of women willingly participate in a public self-humiliating, drama-prone exercise? Further study needed.
This is some loser population from which no broader conclusions can be made.
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dougjnn,
She’s a 7 or 8, depending on how you want to bump her intangibles.
I figured that I didn’t wow her (I’m a greater beta and am just learning game). That being said, I don’t think the situation is quite as dire as you said as there were serious IOI’s coming from her on both dates. However, your advice is good.
I’m not sure how I’m going to pull of her seeing me with other women because we don’t move in the same circles, but I’ll see what I can do.
The emotional roller coaster is important. I”ve just been keeping her on a high.
Goldenseed,
Your text idea is good, I may try to pull that off later this week/early next.
Thanks for your advice guys.
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IIRC, there is couple who’s suing the radio station for this prank. I saw the couple on GNA. The stupid wife was right by her husband’s side. Her jerkoff of a husband had the air of someone wronged.
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dougjnn, it’s all over the news. The serial killers are always the quiet, bland ones. I guess you’d say serial killers are beta, because of this and because they are passive-aggressive and clearly acting out some sort of deep-seated inferiority issues. But I liked the connection to the fiancee’s reaction – what has got to be going through HER mind now? Does she view him as beta or alpha? I say beta, because killing hookers is like beating up hookers – what weak guys are compelled to do.
I think the “i love you” and two-weeks-silence of anon78 is actually superior – alpha, not beta, because it creates attraction/need on her part. Alpha in a seduction context often means thinking like a female. in this case, the default agressive male “f.u. (click)” type response — which are basically the ones he listed – comes across worse: smaller. You can avoid a confrontation by transcending it. I guess the main issue is, do you give a f**k if the relationship with the cheated-on g.f. ends – in both cases, the answer is no, but in one case you create an incentive to keep her in the fold, and with the other you basically drive her out. which is better? at least in theory …
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It is a totally fake prank.
proof by assertion?
your reading comprehension is garbled. do you always do your thinking with kraut testicles in your mouth?
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Obsidian,
I’m not quite sure I’m in a position to play the “drop off the radar” card. Mainly, I don’t leave a good enough impression to just wait for the tide of pussy to wash in. As such, I’ve got to adjust for that a bit. I’m definitely going to wait for awhile to see if she contacts me (which she has already shown herself willing to do). But, if I want to hit that shit, I’m probably going to have to take some initiative.
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jay gasby Also, I’d recommend using female logic when caught cheating. When women cheat, they claim it’s not their fault because they weren’t getting what they needed from their partners. Why can’t men claim the same thing?
It’s better to just dump the person. Aviod the dramma and don’t take chances with someone’s life.
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Yea pretty much what I found before is if your name gets called out in the club by all your boys when you walk in it puts you in celebrity status. Highfiving everyone and the girlfriends hugging you. Then you just eyeball woman you want and take them home. Probably the best scenerio to picking up. I think work game is the easiest to get woman though really. They see you in an environment and if you are an overachiever with goals in life it makes them wet becuase that makes you a rarity. Even if your not a manager they sense the men even above you are afraid of you taking there jobs (especially when these guys are talking to their admins about you lol). That also seems to get the womans panties wet. Having a woman already who you are committed too really really gets the panties wet because they can’t have you. Life is irony. I’d say get some part time jobs and grab some hos plus you get to see them in a different setting. I would think that maybe taking some college classes would probably be able to rock some chicks as well.
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PCB,
I hear ya, Man, and no doubt there will be those who will take a differing POV to your situation. Can’t knock ya if what you do gets you the desired result.
Making a big impression is important, not just with Women, but in life overall. So, spending a bit of time to know what makes you so compelling would be a good idea. Especially since most guys aren’t particularly introspective to begin with.
O
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Thing to like I have said before it is different being a minority. Especially if there are legends about your status. Everywhere I go that I am in a position where I am the minority it is easier to pick up woman. There will always be woman who are curious lol
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maurice:
Alpha in a seduction context often means thinking like a female.
precisely.
in one case you create an incentive to keep her in the fold, and with the other you basically drive her out.
in theory, yes. but in practice, the latter scenario more often than not drives her closer to the man. of course, by poisoning the well in an “F U” manner, the odds of the relationship going the distance decrease, where in the first case the odds are improved.
seafighter:
The fact of the matter is that existing law has been successfully applied in new ways quite often.
key words: “new ways”. because without those creative “new ways” the legal ramifications are threadbare.
herbly:
Including Legendary Super Beta Howard Stern
stern is doing pretty well for himself. his current GF/wife is a model 19 years younger than him. by the standards of the typical man, stern is an alpha.
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Her jerkoff of a husband had the air of someone wronged
but he was wronged!!!!
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panther likes stating illogical conclusions and then refusing to look at logic that contradicts them.
See: Mos Def on “Real Time with Bill Maher” (w/ Hitchens and Rushdie) when he refuses to believe Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with terrorism, desptie 3 people stating facts to the contrary.
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I think Obsidian is Iceberg Slim reincarnated…
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best answer ever.
A friend of mine, an alpha and a natural, who is also the guy who made me see the matrix of game, cheated massively on his GF. She saw him kissing another girl in his car, while at the traffic lights. When she confronted him, he let her do her hysterical act, and simply asked, in a romantic voice: “who would you believe? your eyes or our love? ”
other story. another alpha friend. In the computer room in college, the girl sits beside him and starts talking about a social project she’s working in bangu, a neighbourhood of Rio. She talks about how nice it is, how much difference they are making, how they are helpinfg poor people, how nice it is for someone of the rich neighbourhoods to know the poor places of rio, etc etc. he lets her talk about it form 10 minuts. And answers: “Bangu is a shithole. I went there once to see XXX (his soccer team ) play. ” The same guy once fucked an american tourist in Rio. He saw her , looked at her eyes and opened her with a question: do you know George Bush ???
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—I think Obsidian is Iceberg Slim reincarnated…—
Too many spelling and grammer errors.
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I’m skeptical of the show being real. Seems to me it is about as real as “reality” television.
That said I don’t disagree with the general sentiment of the post.
I also think he should compile his list of maxims for easy reference.
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@2 Faced- You don’t think I’m Black?
Why not?
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I think when your younger you just cheat and don’t understand the consequences until you get caught a couple times. I pretty much just didn’t call again when I got another woman when I was younger or it wasn’t a planned cheat just some other woman throwing herself on my dick. I didn’t really find any woman I was attracted to for marriage in my younger days. I did come to conclusion it is more fair to let the woman know before you cheat so she has a choice. When I married I had already learned not to cheat. Now I am at the point where I can just tell my woman the truth and don’t hide anything about what I want out of life and try not to lie to myself either.
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I concur with the basic idea of this post but I have have a question regarding the authenticity of the recordings. Lawyers here might chime in but doesn’t the Radio Station have to get a signed release to use someones voice and story like that? If so, that would tend to degrade the data.
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No one knows what chic is anyone who would post a pic of someone that is not them is inside deeply very confused as to what they are as well. Unless it is a pic of cartman lol then everyone knows that is not them.
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If you’ve never gotten a slut to fuck friends of yours for you, or otherwise directed their fucking in part, it’s an experience you should try.
In theory, it sounds like cuckoldry, except she isn’t exclusively yours…
She feels jealousy, yet she is also attracted – still, if not even more now that the guy might leave her for someone else.
In contrast, when I told non-date about my interest in another woman at work, she became more distant. OTOH, Wellesley Queen hated whenever I mentioned the time that I spent with the “mistress”.
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panther, yes, and crime is everywhere, just like STDs. both happen to flourish in the black community more than in any other ethnic community (gay community obvo has much more stds, but violence? I think not).
now, back to the beyonce boards with you.
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Dave Alex,
You’re slowly getting it-Women have a visceral reaction to you being with other Women that actually excites them, though most will never admit it. What you experienced was indicative of this, and had you the balls to go the next step you wouldn’t be doing the attention whoring thing today.
O
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chiclet:
It’s better to just dump the person.
talk is cheap.
btw, what do you think of gatsby’s accurate observation that women rationalize their cheating?
Aviod the dramma and don’t take chances with someone’s life.
chiclet, please stop projecting your intimate knowledge with stds and the hivvy in the black ghetto community onto everyone else, thanku.
ps you’re still annoying.
pps i predict you will respond to this claiming you don’t care what i think of you.
ppps then i will laugh.
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Why would you want to continue in any type of relationship with a bitch who thinks it is ok to air your dirty laundry in public in a shitty radio prank.
Dumb cunt like that needs to be smacked.
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PCBPiper–
What I suggested you do was in essence a more proactive version of what Obsidian suggested. If you can see and understand that, you will have made considerable progress.
In other words the FRAME OF MIND that O says he’s in with women is the right one to be in.
What game is about, certainly the version he teaches, is how to pursue hot women you’re interested in, but make them feel they have to prove themselves to you.
Before you see her next, convince yourself that she’ll be lucky if she can get you. Just lie to yourself if that’s what it takes, repeatedly. Build yourself up in your own mind. Be cocky. If you’ve got a 6 who’s attracted to you, practicing teasing her some wouldn’t be a bad idea. The idea is to PLAY with her attraction to you.
On your date, change the subject a lot. It can be random. Stream of consciousness a bit is better. Be sorta above it all, in a playful way. Do not play it safe. Go for double or nothing. Say fuck it. Hint around about sexual topics but in a light way. Anytime you can do a light US versus them with her it’s gold, esp. if it has anything to do with sex.
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“dougjnn
btw, anon’s quote above (comment #7) is from one of my posts:
It did sound awfully familiar. I was sure I’d read that somewhere.”
Yeah I thought I got that across by putting the quotations around it. Certainly didn’t mean to take credit for another man’s insight.
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What you experienced was indicative of this, and had you the balls to go the next step you wouldn’t be doing the attention whoring thing today.
In the case of Wellesley Queen, as I’ve stated, I never wanted to have sex with her, and she was basically my “hug buddy”. Besides, I generally viewed her jealousy as a sign that she wanted to keep me around a sycophantic sexless beta male pet, and that she didn’t want to “share” me with other women.
In the case of non-date and her “competition” at work, you haven’t explained why she’s more distant now that she knows about my interest in the other girl.
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Why are most people questioning whether this show is real or fake? I mean even if it is fake what he is saying here is the truth.
If you take a good look at couples, when the guy admits he’s wrong in almost any situation the women will always use it against him in one way or another.
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Dave Alex,
Per all the info you’ve given on both Women, it seemed rather clear to me they would’ve given up the panties had you pressed the issue. You didn’t. End of story.
O
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Willard Libby
I have never understood the appeal of Stern. Does that make me beta or Alpha?
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jeez! i wish we had that sort of quality entertainment on the radio here. it would prevent my daily “shut the fuck up about the potholes, already” rant!
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DA
No, it’s completely different. It’s much closer to pimping a ho.
The all important essence is how the power flows and who she really most wants to be fucking. This sort of thing if done right makes her attraction for you that much greater. Of course you’ve got to be alpha to her to begin with.
Also I’m talking about a situation where you’re swooping other girls including hotter ones but she wishes you weren’t, and would spend more time with her.
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Have you ever thought about having a forum?
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have you ever been in love?
Not so much to make a fool out of myself for them. My self respect is too valuable to me.
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PCBPiper –
Sounds like she is interested man. As you say, there were IOI’s on both dates. You may just not have been bold or aggressive enough or arent escalating fast enough for her. Maybe stop being so nice and polite and just go for a make out at the first appropriate opportunity. You never mentioned if you’ve made-out or touched in any significant way but it doesnt sound like it. Man up son and show her your sexual desire for her. This is important.
I say this because of an important life lesson I received a few years ago involving a beautiful 9 and me being a pussy. At this point in my life I had dated and banged several 8’s and many 6/7’s. But this was the first legit head-turning 9 I had pulled. We met through mutual friends. Complete princess, shit testing, wealthy daddy’s girl. Quite challenging but my game was decent at this point and I’m fairly handsome which helps. This led to dating for about a month and half. Nevertheless, because of her looks and my infatuation (I really wanted a LTR) I was nicer to her than I usually am with chicks. I tried to show her I was respectable, polite and mature instead of just being my normal self (featuring game of boyish charm and not giving a shit). This girl nevertheless still gave me multiple opportunities to bang her which I either didn’t take or didn’t identify. One night she has a party at her place and she had invited me….AS WELL AS another guy.. a big, dumb jacked up, stripped shirt wearing frat boy who clearly treated her like an asshole, yet she was sitting on his lap the whole time. I had lost out and she stopped calling. Later when talking to the mutual friend to gain some insight on what happened, I was told that she said “He’s a great guy, but he’s kinda serious and he doesn’t want to hook up or make out”. I was of course shocked and surprised by this….OF COURSE I WANTED TO HOOK UP.
A formative experience… multiple lessons here. Don’t act differently cause she’s hot. Don’t be shy about wanting to fuck her. That’s not to say act like a hornball… just escalate physically at the first appropriate opportunities that are presented. If she’s into you it will be sooner than you think. She’ll expect it. And she’ll respect you as a man. Lesson was learned that day.
Dougjnn and Obsidian make the same correct point. Come at her with the frame of mind that you’re the prize..that you are accustomed to women giving you what you want. Ideally this is actually true…but if that’s not entirely correct adopt that attitude and mental frame anyway.
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thank God for men like Contarian and Whiskey to a much lesser extent. I may just change my views on marriage yet.
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Per all the info you’ve given on both Women, it seemed rather clear to me they would’ve given up the panties had you pressed the issue. You didn’t.
Yes, but I never saw Wellesley Queen in a sexual manner, so I never wanted to have sex with her. She could have offered blatently, and I would have said no.
wrong. in real life, most women who cheat do it because they lost attraction for their beta boyfriends.
Wrong. In real life, women are ALWAYS unattracted to beta males.
blah blah blah Wellesley Queen blah blah blah blah “hug buddy”.
why are you still alive?
Hehe, now that’s funny. Thanks for the laugh. 🙂
And “hug buddies” are great. I can masturbate myself to orgasm, but I can’t hug myself…
Re: fuck buddies
Doug, that’s for the clarification on the issue.
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Dave Alex,
You just made my point-YOU were in the driver’s seat Dave. YOU. It was YOUR CHOICE to bang or not to bang, is all I’m saying. In both cases.
Oh, and Women still do get w/Beta guys all the time. We see this in the many hookups btw Asian Women and White Men.
So, you were saying…?
O
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Finding a girl you desire, killing her boyfriend, and getting away with it…not just a morbid beta fantasy for thinning out the competition, but a reality in Mexico and Colombia. Anyone want to test their game in Xalapa or Cali?
http://www.notiver.com.mx/index.php?news=28569
For those of you who can’t read Spanish, the news account goes more or less like this–
Guy and gf are at a club.
At least one guy (probably a mid-level narco) brazenly hits on gf.
Boyfriend stands up to him.
Later, couple (and possibly some pals of theirs) leave club and go to a taco stand.
Narco and three compadres follow them.
Narcos arrive at taco stand, and attempt to kidnap gf.
Boyfriend confronts them again.
Boyfriend shot 10 times.
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chiclet:
I seen this women pull that stunt on TV.
In real life, most often it’s preemptive cheating(before he cheats on me) or cheating to get back at the boyfriend who cheated on her.
wrong. in real life, most women who cheat do it because they lost attraction for their beta boyfriends.
I’ve know a girl or two who aren’t the type to be in relationships because they were raped/molested and as a result have a weird obsession with sex.
in an attempt to refute or downplay the all-too-common observation that women rationalize their cheating, you rationalize why women would cheat.
perfect!
Just open your mouth and say” I don’t want to be with you any more”. If you don’t have children with the person what’s so difficult about that?
have you ever been in love?
UHHHHH I think I mentioned that I have a few relatives and friends who work as RNs. I’ll have you know that STD’s are everywhere but thanks for the race talk.
the hivvy rates for straight whites are exceedingly low. a white woman sleeping with a white man who is cheating on his girlfriend has a greater chance of getting eaten by a shark than of contracting the hiv.
otoh in the black community…
ps you’re still annoying.
If you say so.
i know so.
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schrodinger’s troll:
blah blah blah Wellesley Queen blah blah blah blah “hug buddy”.
why are you still alive?
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You just made my point-YOU were in the driver’s seat Dave.
Wellesley Queen was the first one who openly called me a beta male. Unless she had such feelings at the extreme beginning of our friendship, I don’t think she has ever had any attraction toward me, especially she has had access to better looking males. There are other women who’d admit would have had sex with me, but I turned them down. Hell, I’ll admit that if I wanted to, I could have had sex with non-date, but I chose to avoid having sex with her to avoid an entanglement.
Oh, and Women still do get w/Beta guys all the time.
Yes, but these are the same women who have some massive flaw that allows them to presume that betas are attractive (drugs, alcohol, mental illness, or low IQ), or there are some alpha-esque traits in these males that initially covers up their betaness. Or they’re liars and gold-diggers looking for husbands or they’re just merely desperate for anything resembling a male.
We see this in the many hookups btw Asian Women and White Men.
I’d suspect this is merely a case of Asian women using white men.
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not the herbly:
What I mean by Super Beta is Stern married his college sweetheart because he acknowledged he didn’t think he could do better and was emotionally desperate.
this is evidence that a beta can transform himself into an alpha. the means for doing this vary by man, naturally.
Stern has always been close to and even dominated by his stereotypical Jewish mother.
having to deal with a possessive jewish mother is not necessarily indicative of betaness.
Stern has had a talentless on-air wife for nearly 30 years named Robin Quivers who provides him with the female emotional support he craves.
nearly every successful morning DJ has a sidekick, usually female. whether quivers also fulfills a deep freudian need by stern for emotional support is an interesting question, but one that doesn’t say much about the beta quality of his soul. after all, most men appreciate, even love, the emotional support of women.
Stern has been in a relationship with his current wife for all but a few years since getting divorced.
how many 60 year old men do you know who are banging in shape models 20 years their junior?
He has become more and more Beta over the years due to testosterone reduction and due to his need to blend into the women/rich Beta man dominated Hamptons Long Island world he has moved into.
this may be true. but then, the age-related degradation of the alpha spark comes to us all.
The fact that he is rich doesn’t make him an Alpha.
wealth doesn’t necessarily equal alphaness, true. but wealth is a form of male power that is attractive to women. there are many ways to grab the alpha ring.
He got rich pandering to millions of White Beta and Omega male listeners.
leader = alpha. follower = beta. and in stern’s medium of entertainment radio, his leadership is very attractive to women.
Howard Stern is not The King of All Media he’s The King of All Betas.
alphas are not restricted to military generals and lumberjacks.
By the standards of the typical man Stern is a Super Beta dork who is the leader of his people. But he’s still not an Alpha.
alpha male = a man who is attractive to large numbers of hot women.
my definition is simple, it’s elegant, and most of all… it’s true.
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Lurker,
On its face your comments regarding the Black community are provocative; but upon closer inspection, actually things are not as bad as they seem. Let me explain.
I think I’ve done a reasonably good job explaining *why* Black folks, on average, tend to have a higher STD rate-this makes perfect sense if you consider yourself among the Race realist/Human Bio Diversitt crowd. Its a known fact that both Black males and females have more androgens and testosterone than do the average White male and female, which accounts for a higher sexual drive. Or, put another way in an idiom many here would understand, there are simply more Alpha Males to be found among the Black community, than among the White. He himself has written about this in various ways.
Black Women, on the other hand, are seen by White males specifically, as being “too aggressive”, especially in relation to a fave of White Men, Asian Women. Again, androgens and testosterone would explain why this is.
Now…
Having said that, we also have to consider, that as a rule, Blacks in America and Africa, tend to be more polyamorous than are Whites or Asians. True, Black folk don’t have the complete corner or lock on polygamous sexual relationships-thats something that occurs in every racial or ethnic group in some way-but it seems that Blacks/Africans seem to engage in more of it on average. When considering the spread of HIV, or any other STD for that matter, it makes lots of sense that it rifle through a community much faster of Rashid has a small harem of three or four Women, whereas Brad from Heartland America only has Mary Sue.
As for the Violence issue…
I think the issue is badly framed, for I don’t consider violence in and of itself, to be “bad”-what I consider problematic is *wanton or senseless violence* which is indeed a problem in the Black community, and has been so for some time now. My personal view is that it is the result of the wholesale devaluation of Fathers and Men in the Black community, and, actually, if one takes a step back and looks at the big picture, acts as a kind of canary in the mine for White Males. We all know what’s happening on that front, now don’t we? Columbine, anyone? And that’s just for starters.
Holla back
O
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@ Obsidian
I’d thank you to not assume all Asian women dating white men are picking at the beta pile.
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ch
The average man has the option of cheating, so apparently the average man is now alpha.
What does that have to do with testosterone? It’s a question of morality. Also, it’s possible to cheat while being worried about the consequences.
You’re acting like cheating is perfectly okay and that women are just whiny bitches if they get upset over it.
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HERB:
No longer content to contradict himself from one post to the next, he now contradicts himself within the same post!
man, some of you guys will cling to the tiniest morsel in a feeble attempt to undermine the legitimacy of your lord and master. i wrote that i remember one guy getting dumped on the air by his girlfriend, a guy who happened to say he was sorry, not that i heard only one guy apologizing. by “jig is up”, i mean that their cheating is too obvious to dance around.
Sure sign of a sloppy-minded Bachelor of Farts major who hand-waved his way to a diploma.
are you frequently enthralled with the goings-on of the ass region?
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It’s all just a crazy shit test. Alphas are unapologetic because they instinctively believe that they were justified in cheating on her, because she’s not having sex with him often enough (less than once a day), or because she won’t let him fuck her in the ass, whatever. If she would only let me fuck her in the ass, I wouldn’t need to go find someone else who will.
Betas who can fake it well enough to get a girlfriend in the first place can still fake it well enough to cheat, but they usually wait until she’s done something truly ridiculous like holding back sex for more than a week at a time. And the girls dump them because he’s really not apologizing for cheating on her, he’s apologizing for being dumb enough to get caught.
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LILGRL,
Just understand that asian woman are doing gods work and be proud. You will all go to heavan 🙂
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tokyounderooswearer:
The average man has the option of cheating, so apparently the average man is now alpha.
the average man only has the option to cheat insomuch as there are willing babes who would abet his cheating. since the average man does not have those willing babes, my point stands.
What does that have to do with testosterone?
a eunuch like yourself would never understand.
It’s a question of morality.
high-T men care less for the feelings of others. morality ain’t got nothing to do with it.
ps you write like a wee peckered runt.
Also, it’s possible to cheat while being worried about the consequences.
strictly tactical.
You’re acting like cheating is perfectly okay and that women are just whiny bitches if they get upset over it.
another numbnuts who can’t read for comprehension.
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women play this exact same game, usually with better results, all the time…they shroud their cheating in the fact that they were emotionally or sexually neglected.
if they are adamant enough about it, refuse to show remorse, and reframe the issue (which they’re all masterful at) the man will continue the relationship under the guise of forgiveness and the granting of a second chance.
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Obsid was just trying to get back at me for the minority gets special treatment remark lol
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Lil Grl, Dave Alex,
My point was simply that, if one takes the time to go out and observe the couples in question, one would be hardpressed to say that the majority of White Males in such pairings would fit the image and definition most would have of an “Alpha Male”. And, keep in mind, I’m not the one bringing in an value judgment here-Dave Alex is. I’m merely noting the obvious-that there are millions of Beta Males who happily marry all the time. Clearly, Asian Women have a differing metric or calculus they use when considering marriagable mate material.
Dave, if you think people don’t “use” each other, you’re a lot more naive than I originally thought. It is simply a part of human nature. Now, of course, the thing is, you don’t want the “using” going in one direction-you want at least to make an effort at a mutual “using”, really an exchange of resources, going on. This is the basis of virtually all human interaction, and only folks like yourself, who are both naive and ignorant of the ways of the world, coupled with a stubborn childlike refusal to face facts and growup, make an issue out of it.
Again, the bottomline here Dave, is that if you wanted to, things could have taken a different turn with these and other Women. You didn’t, which is perfectly OK. Like I said before, you have the right NOT to be. Cool. Just don’t make excuses or hide behind strawmen arguments (like the Gold Digger strawman) in order to justify your failures in life. Simply accept the fact that you made the choice which has led you to where you are now.
That’s it.
O
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Getting paid $500 million will make a man more conservative in every way: with money, his image, who he bangs, what he says, his politics, you name it.
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Brooklyn Redneck
And why would a woman want to continue in any type of relationship with a man who thinks it’s ok to cheat on her?
ch
Not sure how this is supposed to work when everyone (short of someone like the PotUS) follows someone else.
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Obsidian is spot-on regarding STD transmission. Most infectious diseases, particularly chronic ones like HIV, are highly variable in regard to infectiousness. One of the early mysteries about HIV was in regard to how many long term partners of positives were not themselves infected while strangers got infected from a single encounter. It has to do with viral levels. Serial relationships are much safer than parallel ones because any infections are so much more likely to be a dead end, so to speak.
The G. Grandparents of gang-bangers in Detroit were likely as not law abiding church goers in Alabama. Parts of the UK are scarily dangerous these days because of feral white kids. I am not saying we are all alike underneath. I wish that were true in that everybody would be just like me but I realize everybody feels that way… But I mean that environment matters. Fathers matter a lot.
I think the importance of T levels is more marked in comparing females (white to black). I mean, most white guys I know are not the “rate limiting factor” in their fuck-rate. But their females are.
Females do indeed look elsewhere for Luv because they see their present man as beta. The foundation for this assessment is rock solid: Most men are beta. Most relationships feature a beta man and a frustrated woman-seeking-alpha. It is a matter of math.
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Plus if asian woman keep dating all the decent guys who they encourage to make money (by the asian woman being the best thing that can ever happen to a man). They will help asians take over the planet in the end. So good job keep it up.
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Black violence and STD rates changed over time. They were always worse than Whites, but much worse now than before. Same with the White community, got worse over time, and Hispanics. Believe it or not, the Illegitimacy rate of Hispanics in 1980 was 17%. Now it’s well over 50%.
So clearly, culture matters and has affected ALL communities/populations badly to varying degrees. You can argue WHY some populations fared worse, but ALL have gotten worse.
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chiclet:
Not so much to make a fool out of myself for them.
you haven’t truly been in love if it hasn’t made a fool of you.
My self respect is too valuable to me.
loneliness is one way to avoid pain.
his reply wrong. in real life, most women who cheat do it because they lost attraction for their beta boyfriends.
No
Yes
I was telling you want I seen/heard from those around me.
minichiclet, let’s see if you can grasp this simple concept: what you personally see around you does not invalidate the experiences and observations of millions of men and millennia of conventional wisdom about the genders, nor does it prove the opposite.
i’d ask you to try and avoid falling into that typical female illogic trap, but i believe your obstinate dumbfuckery is too ingrained for my gentle chiding to be of much use.
Your experience may very well be different.
mine, and the experiences of nearly every man who has dealt with or remotely observed the machinations of the cheating woman.
An alpha guy can have a girlfriend cheat on him out of revenge or because she is one of those who likes variety.
an attempt to refute or downplay the all-too-common observation that women rationalize their cheating, you rationalize why women would cheat.
perfect!
If you say so.
you walked right into it.
I’m just giving you a reason or the cause of such behavior.
and i’m generously informing you that your reasons are shit.
I’m not arguing that such behavior is okay. AS I’ve said before, it’s just better to dump the person.
as you have never been in love, i can see why you would think it would be that easy.
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tokyouglyasiangirlfetishist:
Not sure how this is supposed to work when everyone (short of someone like the PotUS) follows someone else.
no one said it would be easy.
no guts no glory.
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PCBPiper –
goldenseed’s long comment addressed to you is full of great advice, and a right on point personal anecdote.
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chic:
Not so much to make a fool out of myself for them.
his replyyou haven’t truly been in love if it hasn’t made a fool of you.
Are you kidding me or is this how you really feel? I want an honest answer.
Chic My self respect is too valuable to me.
his reply loneliness is one way to avoid pain.
For people who are loners by nature we don’t feel loneliness like most others.
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Regarding legal action, the complaint would probably be defamation, in this case slander. There are four categories of slander which qualify as slander per se, which means damages are assumed, and need not be proven. Promiscuity is one such category, so in principle they would have a case, BUT, truth is always a defense to slander (or libel). So, as long as they actually cheated, they probably have no legal recourse.
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When a man gets with an asian woman they are supercharged to succeed. They must succeed. They have to succeed because they need the love of the asian woman. NO other woman has given me the do or die determination to make it more than the one I have now. I will fucking kill rob steal murder and lie and fucking destroy the fucking planet to make her happy.
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Dave, if you think people don’t “use” each other, you’re a lot more naive than I originally thought.
I’m well aware that people use each other. In the case of the Asian female, white male pairings, I’d argue that the Asian woman is simply using the white male for his financial resources because of her inability to secure a high ranking male in her own race.
I’m merely noting the obvious-that there are millions of Beta Males who happily marry all the time.
I don’t think they’re truly happy, and they’re lying to themselves. Their women aren’t particularily attractive, and they’re giving up much of their freedom to be with them.
Simply accept the fact that you made the choice which has led you to where you are now.
Fair enough. Again, I’ll admit I turned down potential opportunities with a number of women for varying reason. Mind you, that shouldn’t preclude me from wondering what was wrong with these women or what they really wanted from me…
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D. Alexander
If you are for real you should seriously consider killing yourself or turning gay, or joining a monastery. Hooking up with a willing female is not supposed to be this convoluted a process. You would not even be here if your fore-fathers were so flat-footed.
Use the Force, my son.
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The nice thing is she will still love me if I don’t rob,steal,muder,lie, and fucking destroy the planet. Man I love this woman. He He He
I just have to make her rich. Mission accomplished.
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contrarian
“And why would a woman want to continue in any type of relationship with a man who thinks it’s ok to cheat on her?”
Try asking women who stay with guys who cheat.
“He makes me feel special”
or
“When we’re alone, he’s so kind”
Basically the same lines you get from women who stay with guys who beat them.
Here it is: women love dominant men with options. Sometimes they go nuts and hurt him because they can’t control him but they don’t hurt him out of contempt.
O-
Please stop answering DA. He’s gone through the same pointless shit so many times that anyone could write his posts. Blah blah blah, women don’t love betas, blah blah blah this queen that queen. Blah blah blah non-date man jaw “woman”.
Hey DA, those women are really looking to get a cut of your call center wages. You’ll show ’em tho. Don’t have a relationship with any of them!
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I predict at some point along the timeline there will be no rich guys married to anyone from the western countries.
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Gunny, etc, et al.,
Please don’t get me wrong. In no way am I saying that White Men/Asian Women getting together is good or bad; quite frankly I don’t have an ironclad POV either way. All I’m saying is that more often than not, the White guy in such a pairing ain’t what most of us would consider an Alpha Male, if appearances mean anything.
Now, if I’m wrong, by all means, please correct me.
O
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Appreciation for whats given instead of just a feeling of entitled to what is given.
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^^^ I would agree for the most part but I’m noticing more high caliber WM with AW these days. I guess once no one frowns on it anymore, others see it’s okay and proceed without caution. It’s a shame how weak most human beings are to social pressure.
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Royal
And yet this “alpha” is afraid of talking about it with his girlfriend, and afraid of leaving her. Furthermore, isn’t an alpha supposed to make the woman have sex with him every day, anally or otherwise?
How could that possibly be a justification for cheating?
Steve Johnson
The point was that Brooklyn Redneck argued that it’s acceptable for a man to cheat, but not acceptable for a woman to confront him about it.
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The understanding of beta alpha bla bla
It is that an asian woman can turn any man into a alpha she can give him an incentive to live and succeed with her femininity her charm her love her caring her demeaner her being, her sweetness, her loyaly, her demureness, her strength, her intelligence her cunning her transcendance of all that is wrong and cruel in the world.
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gregi,
And the only price you have to pay?
Being married to a chick who looks like a boy.
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@O
Fine, I can give you that. I guess. I don’t really know, anyway…I haven’t been negli Stati Uniti long enough.
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@Steve
Stop your hating.
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Gunny, Chic,
I’m picking up a good bit of defensiveness here, w/all due respect.
Do you or anyone else, agree or disagree with the following proposition/observation:
That, as far as common definitions and images of Alpha Males go, when it comes to White Male/Asian Female pairings, we do not observe this as often as say, Black Male/White Female, or White Male/Hispanice Female, or Black Male/Hispanic Female pairings?
Yes, or no?
Comments?
O
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@gregi
have you ever dated an Asian woman? srsly. just curious. well, any woman, actually.
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@O
I observe this when I’m in Tokyo, but that’s mainly a cultural thing. I would say that the majority of the Asian women I know are dating alphas…
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Welcome LILGRL,
Another women poster….I predict many future bashings from you.
You heard it here first.
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Mu Chic,
I’m picking up a good bit of defensiveness here, w/all due respect.
Okay gigs up, someone pulled my card earlier. I’m really an Asian female. My fam is from South Vietnam.
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Whenever I hear the word “hate” I reach for my Browning.
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What people don’t get is a woman and a man working together can grab whatever they want out of life. Beta Alpha whatever.
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Hey DA, those women are really looking to get a cut of your call center wages. You’ll show ‘em tho. Don’t have a relationship with any of them!
I’m well assured in knowing that employment is not an asset. My concern is that if I had a decent paying position, a woman would see that as leverage in providing a middle class lifestyle for herself and her future offspring, and that she would lie and coax me into marrying her.
Blah blah blah non-date man jaw “woman”.
She’s probably better looking than any girl you’ve scored…
If you are for real you should seriously consider killing yourself or turning gay, or joining a monastery.
There are too many trains to ride and too many roads to be driven on to make killing myself worth it. Men aren’t attractive to me, and I’m vain and elitist to be a member of the religious.
Females do indeed look elsewhere for Luv because they see their present man as beta. The foundation for this assessment is rock solid: Most men are beta. Most relationships feature a beta man and a frustrated woman-seeking-alpha. It is a matter of math.
If one reads that statement as intended, I fail to see how one can’t walk away with the conclusion that women only want alphas and that relationships between women and betas are doomed to failure.
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schoolboy
Welcome LILGRL,
Another women poster….I predict many future bashings from you.
You heard it here first.
LOLROF yes sir you are indeed right. Women here are hated simply because they are women and dare have an opinion that differs from the average male here.
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O-
That, as far as common definitions and images of Alpha Males go, when it comes to White Male/Asian Female pairings, we do not observe this as often as say, Black Male/White Female, or White Male/Hispanice Female, or Black Male/Hispanic Female pairings?
Just for images / stereotypes go:
WM / AF – nerdy white guy / interchangeable asian girl
BM / WF – two types:
1) “International” (non-american) black guy banker type / attractive white woman
2) black guy / fat peroxide blonde white woman
WM / HF – Guido type Italian guy / attractive mostly white looking HF (no white guys of any kind w/ 3 foot tall american indian looking hispanic women)
BM / HF – I’ve got nothing there. Anyone else?
Alpha males above:
BM of type 2 BM / WF
WM of WM / HF
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Have you ever thought about having a forum?
A forum would be pretty sweet.
It would make it much easier to follow the flow of comments.
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First, apologies to Steve Johnson, LOL…
Dave Alex,
Ok, let’s address your points:
1. *Why* Asian Women choose White Males for marriage is irrelevant to me; what IS relevant is the fact, based on observation that anyone here who got eyes can do, is that for whatever reason, they choose Men whom most of us would NOT consider “Alpha” by any stretch of the imagination. My point? That Betas marry, and happily, all the time-ask those White guys if they’re happy or not w/those Asian Women. The numbers don’t lie, Dave.
2. Which leads me to the next point-since you’ve never been married, and since you have no real way to know in any event, your speculation runs toward the dangerous. As I’ve said above, just the WM/AW couples would openly refute your assertions, Dave. Your response?
3. And finally, your speculation as to *why* any of those Women in your life would want to get w/you is irrelevant-what IS wholly irrelevant is that YOU had the chance to take things further. You didn’t. End. Of. Story.
Taking personal responsibility is the first step on the road to happiness, Dave. Don’t let anyone tell you different.
O
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That’s it steve we are gonna have to go to the sand trap lol
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Uh, of type 1 not 2.
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DA
The majority of alphas or at least non-betas were once hopeless betas.
I was force-fed the essentials of game my senior year in High School. I had this girl that I put on a pedestal. I treated her with all the respect I could muster. I would take her home and chastely kiss her goodnight. By & bye, I learned that she would routinely after that call up another guy to come over and fuck her brains out.
It hurt; I will not deny it. But it got the job done..
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>Gunslingergregi
>
>What people don’t get is a woman and a man working together can grab whatever they want out of life. Beta Alpha whatever.
A good woman is worth more than her weight in gold. She is your right hand in your pursuit and conquest of Empire.
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Steve,
You left out of your calculations, the many pro atheletes and the like who are Black, who’s White Women don’t fit the oft-repeated by White Males suffering from sour grapes fat stereotype. Don’t take my word for it, check out the many Black atheletes at America’s colleges. They pretty much can write their own ticket to White, Blonde Poon most of you White guys couldn’t get.
Dave Alex’s ruminations aside, it seems clear to me that Asian American Women clearly have a differing calculus when it comes to assessing mates for marriage. Those metrics don’t seem to be a commanding presence, bulging muscles, a forward leaning posture, something Black and Hispanic, and goodly number of White Women readily respond to and actively seek out. This could be an outgrowth of Asian culture in general, that other traits are more valued. I’m not entirely sure, but what is clear, just from eyeballing the WM/AW couples, is that the Men involved differ greatly from those in BM/WM or WM/HW groups. In a word: Testosterone.
In other words, that which makes one Alpha, or not.
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O
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DA,
“Blah blah blah non-date man jaw “woman”.
She’s probably better looking than any girl you’ve scored…”
Yeah, no dude.
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And that Jam is the true meaning of life and why marriage and the relationship between men and woman must be detroyed in order to destroy culture, life, fullfillment, and happiness.
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Steve Johnson WM / HF – Guido type Italian guy / attractive mostly white looking HF
The two you described are racially ambiguous so it’s often not apparent that the two are of different races or ethnic groups until they tell you so.
(no white guys of any kind w/ 3 foot tall american indian looking hispanic women)
IN NYC you see it all my dear. American Indian women often look like Asian women so I don’t get what your saying. Maybe it’s the stigma against American Indian women that makes you feel that way.
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“You left out of your calculations, the many pro atheletes and the like who are Black, who’s White Women don’t fit the oft-repeated by White Males suffering from sour grapes fat stereotype.”
Yes, O, pro athletes can get pretty much any woman they want.
Any other shocking observations?
Amusing story; a few times a year I go to Yankee Stadium and sit in a friend of mine’s seats which are next to the visiting team’s wives’ section.
Confirmed. Pro athletes all get hot women.
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@chic noir
“LOLROF yes sir you are indeed right. Women here are hated simply because they are women and dare have an opinion that differs from the average male here.”
it’s okay, we can sit back and remember that all the guys are here to discuss one thing…women.
pwn’d.
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Schoolboy said bashings from you not on you. He He He
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chic –
“American Indian women often look like Asian women so I don’t get what your saying.”
Uh, what?
American indian “hispanic” women. As in the 3 foot tall women who work on cleaning crews in office buildings. These women look Asian to you? Really?
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@ gregi
see above.
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“””””””on April 21, 2009 at 8:07 pm JAM
>Gunslingergregi
>
>What people don’t get is a woman and a man working together can grab whatever they want out of life. Beta Alpha whatever.
A good woman is worth more than her weight in gold. She is your right hand in your pursuit and conquest of Empire.””””””””‘
This is going on my life sheet.
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Along with,
“I pray daily to do my duty,
retain my self-confidence,
and accomplish my destiny.”
Gen. Goerge S. Patton, Jr.
Diary entry, 20 June 1943
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some of them do yes and don’t worry with a little milk and chesse they will be as tall as the average American in one generation. Notice their children are often taller than the parents.
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Steve J,
No, no other “shocking” revelations, LOL. Just countering the mantra some White guys, almost as if they’re saying it while covering their ears, that the *only* White Women Black Men can get are the rejects of the White (Male) World. And to that I say, rubbish. Jack Johnson was bangin’ High Post Poon on the regular nearly a century ago, which made White guys red with rage. And he’s hardly alone.
So I want to plunge a dagger in the heart of such a notion. Sure, they’ll be brothas hooked up with White warpigs-but they are hardly alone. Go to any Walmart in a largely White area, and there you’ll find a host of White warpigs, w/their kiddies and WHITE hubbies in tow. So we need to kill this noize about brothas and White warpigs. Happens, but nowhere near in the majority.
Anyway, does anyone agree, or disgree, with my WM/AW non-Alpha proposition?
Steve?
O
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And applicable here
The deepest craving of human nature is the need to be appreciated.
William James
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“Go to any Walmart in a largely White area, and there you’ll find a host of White warpigs, w/their kiddies and WHITE hubbies in tow.”
QFT
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@O
I disagree with your WM/AW proposition…probably mostly because I’m an “AW” dating a “WM” (or, well, sort of), but also because…it’s just not what I’ve observed.
I agree that there is a certain stereotype, but, especially in coastal states, I feel that there are a lot of WM/AW pairings that don’t conform to such a stereotype. Part of this is probably because the WM/AW pairing has become very mainstream and accepted, as far as interracial pairings go.
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Asian woman can get whoever they want that wants them. Just saying it is a blessing to have gotten one.
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GG:
Here are two of my all-time favorites:
“It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly…who knows the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who have known neither victory nor defeat.” – Theodore Roosevelt, Jr
and
“The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.” – Thucydides
And two that I made up (though someone may have independently come up with them):
“Life is a bitch. My bitch.”; and
“I do not depend on the charity of fate.”
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“””””””””‘on April 21, 2009 at 8:24 pm chic noir
some of them do yes and don’t worry with a little milk and chesse they will be as tall as the average American in one generation. Notice their children are often taller than the parents.”””””””””
Womans brothers are taller than me. She is almost as tall as me.
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In general not admitting fault is a good strategy if you can pull it off. Best defense is a good offense, and all that. If you start accusing other people, it’ll put them in the frame of defending themselves however weak and unfounded your accusations are. Unfair, but that’s life.
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Lil Grl,
Stereotypes are powerful because they contain a bit of truth in them. What stereotypes wrt WM/AW pairings did you have in mind?
O
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Man those where good.
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I think those who don’t have money should first go after it forgetting so-called inner happiness, which will in any case be sham.
And those who have had enough should now try to outgrow it and begin thinking of the happiness within.
And I will take only those as having really overgrown it who will not talk about even those who earn it by dubious means. It must now just go out of your system, let the others do away with it in their own ways. If even somebody’s corruption pinches you, you have not really outgrown money. You want more but think yourself not strong enough to earn it by corrupt means.
I pity those people who make virtue of weakness. Unable to earn money themselves they begin to speak against it, that it does not bring real happiness etc etc. Even by chanting so most of them exploit people and earn money for themselves.
For inner happiness to be realized we must first take care of all our outer happiness’s one by one, only then we will be able to reach there where inner happiness resides.
Herb,
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I was thinking what Steve said (was it Steve? I’m too lazy to scroll up) about the nerdy/geeky WM/interchangeable AW. Or, as you seem to be implying, the testosterone-less WM (FTR I know a few nerds with testosterone)/AW. Yeah. Yep. I mean, I see the phenomenon in Asian countries, mostly because the majority of Asian countries are third-world and white is still synonymous with power/wealth.
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“I agree that there is a certain stereotype, but, especially in coastal states, I feel that there are a lot of WM/AW pairings that don’t conform to such a stereotype.”
QFN.
Quoted for nonsense.
“there are a lot of” blank.
When you say that you’re implying that most of blank are like that. Or that like 30-40% of blank are like that.
There is no way that 30-40% of WM / AF couples are Alpha WM. I’ve never even seen a single WM / AF couple where the WM is alpha. The hottest AF are usually with alpha AM. Alpha WM don’t generally go for AF and if they do, they don’t form couples with them. Hell, coupling up is pretty beta.
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“””””””””“The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.” – Thucydides””””””””””””
I have been able to actually live this multiple times. It is an awesome feeling.
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@ Steve
It could be the crowds I hang around, but I don’t really see a lot of WM/AF couples in general, and the ones that I do see don’t scream beta WM. Not saying they aren’t, just that it’s not as straight-forward as the stereotype.
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black guy / fat peroxide blonde white woman
I must admit, some of them are attractive…
Guido type Italian guy / attractive mostly white looking HF
If you’re a white Puerto Rican, it’s pretty likely that at some point, you’ve dated an Italian or some other white ethnic male with guido tendencies. For all intents and purposes, white Puerto Ricans are honourary Italians and from what I’ve seen, they live mostly in Italian areas.
BM / HF – I’ve got nothing there. Anyone else?
I suspect some of the fatter light-skinned somewhat white looking Hispanics from the Caribbean may date black men, otherwise, I suspect they’re dating from darker-skinned Caribbean Latinas.
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And coupling up is not beta.
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Well…not if you do it right.
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Lil Grl,
OK. I think I see where you’re coming from, and you mentioned Japan earlier. W/all due respect, using any Asian country wouldn’t work, because I’m assessing deliberately, IR marriages/unions. Those Asian countries for the most part are fairly closed societies racially.
Asian Women in America have a wide range of choices, even among White Men, that draws our attention; as Steve J has noted, the “Guido” (think “Gigli”) type of White Man is highly unlikely to be yoked to an Asian female. More likely that you have either a Jewish guy, or, a kind of Waspy White guy. Italian Males are still seen as quite masculine as far as White Men go, and as a rule, you just don’t find many such pairings here in America involving Asian Women.
This suggests to me, that Asian American Women select for something other than Testosterone. And again, please, I’m not saying that’s wrong. What I am saying is that it is markedly different from what Black, Hispanic and a goodly number of American White Women select for.
Again, I know what I’m saying here may be a bit off color or even downright politically incorrect. But I defy anyone here to actually take the time to do some eyeballing of these couples for yourselves, and then try to say w/a straight face that said guys are on a par w/Leroy or Sal in the T dept.
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O
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I have to agree with Obsidian on the point that if one is going to be polyamorous, that should be on the table from the beginning. A woman should know in advance so she’ll be able to understand what she’s consenting to, and protect herself accordingly, both physically and emotionally.
Miss Average may not mind cheating enough that it’s a dealbreaker, but for self protection purposes, guys should be mindful of the times they live in. If you’re caught cheating, and you’re married, the day either of you decides to end it, she has your balls in her hands.
If you’re not married, then these days what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. She will cheat on you.
So keeping things up front allows you to discuss the fact that you either don’t give a crap so long as she’s got room in her schedule for some you, or that you have double standards. Leave things to chance at your own peril because unless you are made of money and testosterone, there is always someone higher in the food chain than you. If your woman has access to these men and a tacit green light to dabble, she most likely will, and with no remorse.
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“Well…not if you do it right.”
Yep. That’s the difference.
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tupac In (minor) defense of Chic, I’ve known a few like this. Sad sad cases. Sweethearts who were otherwise permanently damaged. Always looking for love in all the wrong places.
*peaks for clio aand hello*
*gives tupac a warm hug*
we are i2i.
I think that type of girl is somewhat common in that everyone knows a few.
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Getting paid $500 million will make a man more conservative in every way: with money, his image, who he bangs, what he says, his politics, you name it.
Are you kidding? All these gazillionaires like Rockefeller, Kennedy, Soros, and Gates are flaming liberals. They can afford to be, because they are completely insulated from all the pernicious social and economic economic effects of their loathsome ideology. If you could pay for exclusive private schools, gated homes, limousines and private jets, and personal bodyguards, you wouldn’t give a damn if the world went to hell in a handbasket either.
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Jam,
“I do not depend on the charity of fate.”
This is truth because you can make your life however you want to certain extents.
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@O
I feel ya. I’m just making conversation. As I said earlier, I probably haven’t been in the US (and I’m in NYC, anyway) long enough to have my research down pat.
As far as IR marriages, I know of quite a few in which it’s a WM/AW and the male is pretty high in the testosterone dept. But, of course, I come from an entirely different international, semi-elitist society.
For the record, my boyfriend probably has more testosterone than 99.89% of this board.
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That’s right. I went there.
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I get chills reading the roosevelt one though there going on the sheet.
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Gunslingergregi
I get chills reading the roosevelt one though there going on the sheet.
:LOL:
why is that guns
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O, LILGRL:
We need to delineate first, which types of Asian women we’re talking about. Fresh off the boat Asian women, at least the ones who date white men, almost always pair with white beta males.
This is the whole foundation of mail-order marriages. These women are basically forced to take the first thing thrown at them and beta males are so desperate for women they are more than willing to accomodate. This applies to Eastern European women as well.
There are other distinctions in white male / Asian female pairings, usually depending on the AF. Many asian girls, the daughters of doctors and well-to-do professionals, tend to be more academic. They naturally get along better with more academic males, either white or Asian.
Then there are the Asian girls who run around Asian gangsters. There is a decent amount of Asian gang activity in Wichita, where I’m living. The Asian gangsters are pretty easy to spot, and their women are too. They hardly date outside their race, but when they do, its going to be a higher than average alpha white/black/hispanic.
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steve did you read chuck’s post?
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Finally done it before but hey it’s a good one.
In Louis L’Amour’s book The Walking Drum the character says, “It seemed to me that each year one should pause to take stock of himself, to ask: Where am I going? What am I becoming? What do I wish to become? Most people whom I encountered were without purpose, people who had given themselves no goal. The first goal need not be the final one, for a sailing ship sails first by one wind, then another. The point is that it is always going somewhere, proceding toward a final destination.”
He also wrote ,” Up to a point a man’s life is shaped by environment, heredity, and movements and changes in the world about him; then there comes a time when it is within his grasp to shape the clay of his life into the sort of thing he wishes to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune, or the quirks of fate. Everyone has it in his power to say, this I am today, that I shall be tomorrow. The wish however must be implemented by deeds.”
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@ chuck
hells^yeah
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Tupac,
Do you agree or disagree w/the general proposition, that usually the term “Alpha Male” and “Testosterone” often go hand in hand? Yea, or nay?
O
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LTLGRL
That you would pull a “shame the guys” posture is already assumed and therefore already dis-regarded. Worthwhile things sometimes get posted here but never when the motivation is to merely taunt someone because how they were born.
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“For the record, my boyfriend probably has more testosterone than 99.89% of this board.”
The problem with that then is about 50% of this board will be claiming that 0.11%.
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Am I pulling a “shame the guys” posture?
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Tupac, Robin Quivers scares me.
Coffee enemas?
I’ve awakened some mornings needing an espresso really really bad…and also, I’ll admit, needing an enema on occasion. None of us stays 19 years old forever.
…but never, NEVER have I ever needed coffee and an enema so badly that I would load the bag with arabica and let ‘er rip.
I’m sorry.
Just…
No.
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The lawyer chick in her late twenties who lives underneath me got banged out this evening. I’ve heard her accountant husband yelling at her from time to time, as the floorboards are not incredibly prohibitive. However, tonight was the first time in over a year that I’ve noticed any telltale sex noises. The headboard thumping against the wall spells it out pretty definitively.
I was happy for them overall, though I chuckled to myself that it was about damn time. This girl has a rockin body, but as Tony Montana would say, “Choo got a look in your eyes like choo haven’t been fucked in a year!” They got married last summer, tying together a grade school romance. The economy is tough now though, and that can surely lead to stress and disagreements. Again, pleasant to know they’re getting their aggression out constructively.
Imagine my laughter when, just two hours later, the CPA arrives home from work! I am cued to his arrival by his wife shrieking at him not to park like an asshole because he has almost run over one of their cats, followed by her bitching into the phone about what a careless jerk he is, probably to her mother. She’s likely down there right now blaming the rumpled sheets on him forgetting to make the bed in the morning.
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*Why* Asian Women choose White Males for marriage is irrelevant to me
I’d argue that’s at the centre of our discussion. We know that Asian females are selecting white males, but we need to know the reasons for this choice in order to properly use alpha/beta theory. We need to know if it’s simply a matter of finding these white men to be more alpha than what is available in the Asian male community, or if it’s simply matter of finding men who are willing to be loyal betas to them.
That Betas marry, and happily, all the time-ask those White guys if they’re happy or not w/those Asian Women. The numbers don’t lie, Dave.
Even if the men are happy, the question one should ask is if the women are happy with their choices as well.
your speculation as to *why* any of those Women in your life would want to get w/you is irrelevant
Even though I rejected these women, I want to know the real reason as to their supposed attraction toward me. I’m curious and vain enough to want to know if these women are simply fucked up or just potential abusers. If it’s the latter, it certainly reassures me in knowing that I shouldn’t bother, while it’s the former, I’ll treat the women gently, rebuff their interest, and direct them toward somebody else.
The majority of alphas or at least non-betas were once hopeless betas.
And the majority of men will remain betas.
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At Chic,
Because at least I got to bet a 120 on mdr and I am my own critic.
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Plus I got to put a 122 on citi for the fuck of it.
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LILGRL–
I largely agree with this.
There’s not much cultural clash between NE Asians and American whites. Sure there are cultural differences, but there isn’t so much antagonism, as long as the white guy is an achiever – and especially if the Asia female is too — but cares more about her husband’s career ultimately. Many white guys find that a wonderful combination.
The purely physical attraction for white guys on average may not be quite as high as to white girls, but that’s on average. There are tons of really hot Asian girls that pull together a really appealing overall package of looks, priorities, attitudes and personality. There are tons of Asian stunners as well. (Especially, if you ask me, if they’re somewhat or a lot Eurasian looking — in which case I think they can be some of the most stunning women on the planet.)
As for the stereotype, well I’d say there’s some truth but it goes like this. Highly attractive NE Asian women tend to feel more attracted to high status, economic success and brains, with ENOUGH studliness. They also place a lot of emphasis on guys wanting a companionate marriage, which may be a given among American whites, but isn’t as much among her co ethnic males.
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“I’m curious and vain enough to want to know if these women are simply fucked up or just potential abusers. If it’s the latter, it certainly reassures me in knowing that I shouldn’t bother, while it’s the former, I’ll treat the women gently, rebuff their interest, and direct them toward somebody else.”
DA,
why the fuck do you hate yourself so much man? what happened in your life to make you think you aren’t worthy of a woman’s love and care?
you sit here and think that because you’re a beta that any woman that chooses you is either fucked up or will desire someone higher on the food chain. the truth is, a certain woman would find that happy medium of security and attraction for you.
you are claiming power over the only aspect of your relationship potential that you feel you have control over, and that is not having one at all. that is a coward’s path if you ask me.
you are a victim of your idealism.
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Dave Alex,
Again, non-sequitur: the bottomline is, you chose not to go further with these Women. Period. All other factors are at best, secondary.
Of course, your analysis doesn’t allow for a third option: that they actually liked you. This is because you just don’t see it possible for anyone to like, much less love you, for yourself, so you concoct all manner of bullshit to justify your failures, again. Hey Dave, you know what, if you like it, I like it, all I and I would think most folk here is merely ask, is that you take full responsibility for your fucked up life. No one but you made the choices that lead you to jerkoff at home when you could have had real live pussy. That simple, Man.
And, before you opine on the state of WM/AW marriages/couples, try going out to actually observe and even speak to a few. Same deal with BM/HW couples, you have no idea what you’re actually talking about.
O
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One of my vehicles is a red hyper-exotic sportscar. The kind that will get instant VIP valet parking just by pulling up unannounced to anybodies door. Does this increase my T? It is an interesting experiment. I mean, it does not decrease my T. People sometimes make jokes about penis substitutes but women never seem to. They just flip their hair and wet their lips. Automatically. Before they even see who is inside.
I have been around cars like this since I was a kid (long story). I worked in a race shop.
The quick and dirty lesson here is that women respond to status whether or not it is animate.
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Gunslingergregi
At Chic,
Because at least I got to bet a 120 on mdr and I am my own critic.
Gunslingergregi:
Plus I got to put a 122 on citi for the fuck of it.
It’s one thing to make a wild bet that you think will pay off. It’s another thing to immediately make another wild bet after your winning bet just because you can’t stand to have money off the table for more than a second.
The chance of another reasonably good wild bet coming along immediately after your last one is approximately zero.
You probably start out winning, but then go under, right? That’s because you have a reasonably good idea, it pays off, but then you HAVE TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW…. but you don’t have a good idea, so you just grab something and act on it. This is a losing plan for almost anyone. For high-risk takers it is a suicidal plan.
You should take the money off the table until you at least think you have a good idea.
Really. Take a week off, cool down.
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True I am holding at 220 buy on citi now I have learned some. Was on margin not now.
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White guys don’t find (attractive) AF as attractive as (attractive) WM. Therefore, the WM who can get hot WF (alphas) don’t date AF.
The most alpha AM have an advantage w/ AF over WM. They’re both alpha and same race, which will give them social acceptance (with parents and such) and probably is hardwired as part of attraction. The hottest AF end up with the few alpha AM.
The rest of the AF settle for the WM who can’t get the hottest WF but have a greater taste for what AF offer: more peace of mind, fewer shit-tests, less drama. The kind of guy who goes for that type of stuff over hotness is a lower test guy (and wisely so, because he’s at the highest risk of a high drama woman cheating on him).
So this is what you see:
hot AF / alpha AM
interchangeable AF (lots of Asian 6s) / nerdy WM
hot WF / alpha WM
all other WF / who cares; probably cats or donuts
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I probably should just give all the money to my woman lol but that wouldn’t be as fun. Too easy.
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LILGIRL
Then why are Asian women hated by such a staggering amount of people? On this blog you will find many such people, and even on highly liberal and politically correct sites.
Steve Johnson
Anything is beta, and nothing is beta. Since there’s no accepted definition for alpha or beta, anything can be anything. Or not. Which reminds me, I think wearing a blue t-shirt is pretty beta. It should be green instead. Don’t ask me why.
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obsidian:
Tupac,
Do you agree or disagree w/the general proposition, that usually the term “Alpha Male” and “Testosterone” often go hand in hand? Yea, or nay?
Often, but not always. And not even necessarily.
But my point is that what is one woman’s alpha is another’s beta. One man’s floor is another’s ceiling. Not all women are holding out for James Bond or George Clooney. Or Shaft, for that matter.
If the stereotype about Asian women is true, a dyed in the wool beta (NOT an o m e g a like DA) will fit perfectly fine within her expectations of leadership, intelligence, and dominance. To her, he is an alpha.
Just because you or I could mop the floor with him doesn’t change that dynamic.
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“Since there’s no accepted definition for alpha or beta, anything can be anything.”
For something to be accepted does everyone have to accept it? What if someone has never heard of it is it still accepted? What if someone disagrees purely out of spite?
There’s no accepted definition of accepted so your statement is meaningless.
Go away you solipsistic troll.
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Doug makes some good points, and again, let me say please, that I have zero problem with WM/AW pairings. I say, God bless em. What I’m doing here, is simply shining a light on what I’m seeing, over the years of such couples. Philly has a considerable Asian population, and certain areas of the city are quite filled with such couples. In no way would such Men be considered suitable mates for Black or Hispanic Women. Uh uh.
As for the compianate marital deal, I think Doug may be onto something there; Black Men as a rule tend to be more old school than White Males, particularly the kind that pair up with Asian Women. That’s cool, there’s something for everybody, but for me, there’s room for only one head, and that’s me. She has the right to be heard and give input, but this aint a co-captain thing here. Now, I’m not a tyrant, but I am quite dominant in the relationship. Always have been. And as always, the door’s open if she doesn’t like it and can do better.
I read Cannon’s report about his neighbors-no way in Hell is a Woman gonna raise her voice to me in my house. Doing so means that she’s a Man, and if she can bass like a Man, she can catch a beatdown like one, too. So, to avoid all that, its time for her to leave, before she ends up in a bodybag and before I end up in jail.
Clearly, dude has lost all control in that relationship, which explains the dryspell Cannon mentioned. I don’t give a damn what the economy’s doing, I expect my Woman to do her duty, period. If she don’t, she has effectively ended her end of the deal, ie, its time for her to leave.
I tell ya Man, a lot of you White guys are far too nice. I got a nice guy streak too, but I learned, the hard way, that all it brings is trouble and grief. Gotta know when to reign that in.
I do not argue with Women. Uh uh. Got too many troubles in Life to deal with. Her purpose is to be my refuge from the rough and tumble of a Man’s World, and if she don’t wanna do that, hey, no problem-good luck, no hard feelings. Its really that simple.
O
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TokyoFaggotBitch:
Anything is beta, and nothing is beta. Since there’s no accepted definition for alpha or beta, anything can be anything. Or not. Which reminds me, I think wearing a blue t-shirt is pretty beta. It should be green instead. Don’t ask me why.
Only now, at the end, do you understand.
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Word Rum and a man can achieve status no matter what the fuck he does. Like the woman that want me now but didn’t want me before. Fuck them. They weren’t worth it when I could get them. Then they weren’t worth it when I couldn’t get them, Then they weren’t worth it when I could get them, Then they weren’t worth it when I couldn’t get them. Then they weren’t worth it when I could get them. This could go on for a while. To get woman who are hot. Get the accessories and it doesn’t matter. Shit is pretty simple. To get a worthwhile woman hard as fuck no matter how much money status bling whatever.
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dougjin:
“Highly attractive NE Asian women tend to feel more attracted to high status, economic success and brains, with ENOUGH studliness.”
I think that hits it.
How’s this for a kicker:
“(Some) Highly attractive white women tend to feel more attracted to studliness as long as he has enough high (normal society) status, economic success and brains.”
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Willard Libby:
Stern has had a talentless on-air wife for nearly 30 years named Robin Quivers who provides him with the female emotional support he craves.
I’d be very curious to know what Kthulah thinks of Robin Quivers.
H:
I’ve know a girl or two who aren’t the type to be in relationships because they were raped/molested and as a result have a weird obsession with sex.
in an attempt to refute or downplay the all-too-common observation that women rationalize their cheating, you rationalize why women would cheat.
perfect!
In (minor) defense of Chic, I’ve known a few like this. Sad sad cases. Sweethearts who were otherwise permanently damaged. Always looking for love in all the wrong places.
Obsidian:
Testosterone. In other words, that which makes one Alpha, or not.
Alpha is always a relative term.
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a forum would be awesome. it would clear up all this jabbering and compartmentalize it. just like at home depot.
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What’s on today’s menu? GNP.
Peter
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So I lift and have friends I’m Alpha I get fat I’m beta. I run people I’m Alpha, I get lots of woman I’m Alpha, I don’t get lots I’m beta. Thing is with my woman whatever the fuck I do I am her alpha good point by someone earlier.
lol Tupac
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i for one rebel against asian chicks who have bought into their own “yellow fever” myth much as i have rebeled against being enchanted by bisexual acts in women. at this late stage, most of the posturings by both groups are merely for show, and i don’t have time for that.
that is why there is *some* animosity towards asian women nowadays.
many might disagree, but if you take a group of 8s,9s, and 10s from each major race, white, black, hispanic, asian (and not including women who are fresh off the boat); i’d say that those asian women are hardest to game.
their self-worth has been so inflated in the last 8 (?) years that they believe they deserve better than whatever is in front of them.
this is the same phenomenon that was addressed on this board a month or so ago. someone (i’m sure O was involved somewhere) said that gaming women that were hot in their teenage years or early 20s is harder than late bloomers. this is true because they haven’t discounted the high praise they once received when they were younger and hotter. they identify themselves with that stigma that was formed in their brains.
the question we should all be asking is why has this society inflated the asian woman’s status to such a high degree? it also shows the speed with which social dynamics adapts to trends and expectations of possible mates.
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At Chuck,
Because when I used to walk into my uncles house it was like walking into paradise.
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Then I found out he was not the only man on earth who could achieve that.
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Greg:
i’m not exactly sure what you mean but i’m assuming your uncle married an asian woman who did everything for him and was decent looking to boot?
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Chuck,
Wrt Dave Alex, I firmly believe that a lot of his problems stems from the lack of supportive guidance he didn’t get from his Dad. This is my guess. Dave sounds like he’s been impacted far more by his Mom and the Women of the family, than the Men, particularly the father. This is important for the obvious reasons.
I’ve spoken at some length about my Dad, and may add to it later down the line. I’m fairly sure that my upbringing in my Dad’s shadow contrasts as much w/Dave’s as night does to day.
O
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Yes he married a woman who would run sara into the ground. The type of woman sara was like how the fuck could it be possible to do all that.
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In America the laws, society make the woman into wanna be men. So former asian whatever probably doesn’t apply.
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Worste part is that in wanna be men they become less strong than real woman.
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if we’re speaking strictly testosterone, i’d probably say Peter (ironrailsandweights), Da Truth Hurts, and Obsidian.
as far as getting laid, perhaps…there’s never been any revelation of numbers
as far as swooping fly honies, G, hands down.
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Contrarian says, “Since there’s no accepted definition for alpha or beta, anything can be anything.”
There is an accepted anthropological and biological definition of alpha. It’s just that who that is will be relative to the group of social animals.
The mother and father in a nuclear family are the alpha male and female of that family. If they live close to their extended family, then the family patriarch and matriarch will be the alphas. In a larger group of humans, alpha status may belong to one male or female, and everybody else is beta, but the most leadership oriented may have alpha-like qualities.
So for the purpose of discussion here, when someone says something is alpha or beta, what they mean is alpha-like or beta-like…something that is more leader type behavior or follower type behavior.
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@ contrarian
I wouldn’t say that Asian women are “hated by such a staggering amount of people” — I agree with Chuck, though.
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Obsidian
You’re lapsing into cartoon, extreme stereotype thinking a bit again O / Mu’Min. You’re thinking and talking in terms of ideal Platonic spheres as opposed to in more sophisticated overlapping bell curve terms.
All this stuff even when there’s a grain of truth, is very heavily overlapping. I.e. there are a ton of WASP studs, and pussy Italians. As well the differences that do exist between those groups are almost certainly almost entirely cultural — which also means re-programable. Enter game.
Yes it does happen that some hyper attractive white women marry or otherwise LTR with black men. But it doesn’t happen very much. Sure it happened with Tiger Woods. The main kinds of white girls going with black guys, aside from the warpigs and aging non top tier cougars etc. are super sluts. Not the only ones, but the main ones, numbers wise.
What there is these internet days however, is a whole lot of porn aimed at and apparently consumed by the lower beta and omega white guys who aren’t getting any, and at their anxiety and even masochism about black men humiliating them.
Hot white girls do almost always want a macho guy even when they don’t think they do (often or usually in a somewhat subtle or anyway culturally sophisticated way), but they also want a high status guy and a cleaver and mentally exciting one. That certainly doesn’t mean talking about differential equations or res ipsa loquitur but it might mean quipping ironically about American cultural tidbits. Only a small minority want to maximize on brute macho to the exclusion of other things. But they do want some strong macho, for sure for sure.
No I’m not saying that the only thing any black man can offer to a white girls is brute macho – or in the rare case huge bank. I am saying things are shifted a bit in that direction, on those overlapping bell curves.
By and large the kinds of black guys who do best with hot and not super slutty white girls are playing against type to some degree. Ricky Raw and even VK (I’m guessing here) come to mind. Top university degrees help a lot, and so on.
It remains the case that less than 1% of white women are married to black men.
It does seem to be REALLY important to the self worth of many black men though that they are seen as awesomely and devastatingly attractive to women of all races — not just as individuals but as a race of men.
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Gunny says, “Worste part is that in wanna be men they become less strong than real woman.”
Amen.
The sad fact is though, that many don’t really have much choice. Men and women have basically been socially programmed against one another. Men are selecting against nurturing, and women are selecting against stability.
People do what they believe will give them the best chance at success, and women have been taught that being the man will give them that…and indeed it does give them as much success as men, but not alot of success with men who are men, few as they may be nowadays.
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It doesn’t give them as much success as men though look around at the female blogs. It is majority just make you want to cry sad.
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Steve Johnson
I, for one, prefer Asian women over all others because I find them infinitely more attractive, and the “hottest WF” do not interest me at all.
A sufficient number of people have to accept it.
Merriam-Webster: generally approved or used
Dictionary.com: generally approved; usually regarded as normal, right, etc.
Wiktionary: simple past tense and past participle of accept
The only one here talking about solipsism is you.
Tupac Chopra
Any reason in particular for this juvenile and inexplicable hostility?
Chuck
I think the reason is that people have completely internalized the values of feminism. Feminists have the notion that Asian women are submissive robots, which not only is against feminist ideals but also makes them a threat since feminists know they can’t compete with them. This is all subconscious, which is why people can’t explain why they hate Asian women so much. On this site there was also an Asian woman who didn’t want anyone to be attracted to Asian women. Maybe it was because of feminism, or maybe she just hated herself. She didn’t explain.
Another factor is that many people hate Japan and Japanese culture, and associate anything Asian with Japan.
Has it? Again, Asian women are hated by many, many people. So how could they have high status?
Nicole
There are so many definitions that in the end there’s no definition at all.
Usually alpha = superior person, and beta = inferior person. But this can mean basically anything.
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Obsidian–
When I talked about “companionate marriage” I didn’t mean a feminist strictly down the middle equal decision making marriage (except it’s always great if the woman is more equal) at all.
What I mean was a marriage in which the wife is the man’s best friend, or one of his at least, and in which they enjoy spending time doing things together, other than just screwing, or the necessaries.
As you know I firmly believe in male lead relationships — with lots of valuable and highly valued woman partner input — which the wise male will realize is sometimes better than what he came up with.
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O:
“I tell ya Man, a lot of you White guys are far too nice.”
The irony of my quaint description has flown over your head. I got a big kick out of the over-educated female who got the career AND the dream marriage to the high school sweetheart slash provider husband yet took less than a year to trifle around. Rather than sympathize with the beta, I must say I despise him. We are on the same page at this point.
Then, the typical race-baiting white comment from you…
I’ve implied that I’m white and I live in Brooklyn on this board before, but I made no mention of this couple’s race. (and no surprise, you got it right anyway – did you infer it from the job titles or just assume whites stick together, even in the city, I wonder?) I don’t take issue with your assumption OR your verdict: that the dude needs to sack up and dominate the homestead after a day of work. This isn’t particularly objectionable.
Here is where I see hypocrisy in your statement to white “race-realists,” who you had a dismissive quip for over the weekend. I do not believe the girl from my story would have behaved any differently had it taken place out in white rural America, where you suggested disaffected white guys take their families out to breed if they really idealized an intelligent patriarchy. No one can speak to the sum of the emotions that has her cheating on her new husband, but as long as it was not with one of the hyper-sexualized black males that typify your own race generalizations, I don’t think the city is to blame here, save for its vast supply of alternative cocks to fall onto.
You’ve gone from “don’t be so bitter” to “don’t be so nice” in a couple of days. Yes, you are speaking amongst males ‘in the know’ here on this board. But, it is still hypocritical of you to suggest macro-tendencies to young, white, aspiring family men when you yourself have implied that you are a middle-aged, black, childless bachelor. The sad fact is that feminism has soured the marriage/family model for all races and in all parts of the country. Alone, it’s enough to dissuade the ‘capital flight’ of elite white males from the city, especially as that’s where the highest-paying jobs exist. Your high school sweetheart’s sense of “Carrie Bradshaw”-level entitlement doesn’t disappear just by shipping her way out west.
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Steve Johnson
I, for one, prefer Asian women over all others because I find them infinitely more attractive, and the “hottest WF” do not interest me at all.
A sufficient number of people have to accept it.
Merriam-Webster: generally approved or used
Dictionary.com: generally approved; usually regarded as normal, right, etc.
Wiktionary: simple past tense and past participle of accept
The only one here talking about solipsism is you.
Tupac Chopra
Any reason in particular for this juvenile and inexplicable hostility?
Chuck
I think the reason is that people have completely internalized the values of feminism. Feminists have the notion that Asian women are submissive robots, which not only is against feminist ideals but also makes them a threat since feminists know they can’t compete with them. This is all subconscious, which is why people can’t explain why they hate Asian women so much. On this site there was also an Asian woman who didn’t want anyone to be attracted to Asian women. Maybe it was because of feminism, or maybe she just hated herself. She didn’t explain.
Another factor is that many people hate Japan and Japanese culture, and associate anything Asian with Japan.
Has it? Again, Asian women are hated by many, many people. So how could they have high status?
Nicole
There are so many definitions that in the end there’s no definition at all.
Usually alpha = superior person, and beta = inferior person. But this can mean basically anything.
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Doug,
Understood, your position is. Thanks for clarifying.
O
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@ contrarian
Really? SRSLY…really?
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“”””””””””””””Dougjnn,
As you know I firmly believe in male lead relationships — with lots of valuable and highly valued woman partner input — which the wise male will realize is sometimes better than what he came up with.””””””””””””””””
Really the most ironic thing in my life has been meeting my woman. The woman I have met so far have not lived up to the hype of being equal or better than men. I mean you get told your whole life equal bla bla bla. Then you look at reality and are like wtf are they talking about. Then you meet a woman who is actually better at doing shit than you are with no education. I mean this shit is mindblowing. I mean like I really could just give her all my money and we would be cool. I am not sure I could do that right now. That is extremely hard to deal with. A woman actually being better at some things than you but yet loves you. Talk about a mindfuck.
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why the fuck do you hate yourself so much man? what happened in your life to make you think you aren’t worthy of a woman’s love and care?
I don’t hate myself, but I’m simply realistic. Just the anecdotal stories from various bloggers in the PUA community just illustrate the futility of trying to bother if you’re a beta male. Given women’s inherent desire for an alpha and their willingness to overlook anything in their quest for one, the only reason that makes sense is that any woman showing interest in me is fucked up or planning on using me.
And yes, I’d feel this way even if I was making $75K per year in a “career” position.
the truth is, a certain woman would find that happy medium of security and attraction for you.
Yes, generally unattractive women with flaws who can’t do better. If you can’t secure an alpha, then yes, maybe a beta might do, but what male really wants to be the second or third best choice available. Even in Whiskey fantasy world where women choose beta males, the only way it would be a valid choice is if the woman with the option of both types of males chooses the beta male with no fear of social shaming for either choice.
you are a victim of your idealism.
I have enough self-respect to avoid dating women that nobody wants. If the alphas don’t want her, why should I want her? Just because she’s there?
Of course, your analysis doesn’t allow for a third option: that they actually liked you.
That’s impossible unless she is massively fucked up or doesn’t know any better. I’d argue *every* girl who has shown interest in me has illustrated both qualities.
No one but you made the choices that lead you to jerkoff at home when you could have had real live pussy.
I’m well aware that I turned down a number of situations that could have lead to sex, but that was generally because I didn’t find the women sexually attractive, or she was too good for me (and didn’t know my beta flaws), or she was fucked up and would have embarrassed me. Of course, I made those decisions, but I didn’t make them in a mental vacuum, but with full knowledge of how the world works. Thus, given choices that I had, I made a decision to stick with porn than to go out and learn game and meet women, and I did so knowing that it’s simply easier to stay at home, wank, and count pennies than to expose myself and “learn” how to be normal.
Happy?
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“””””””””I think the reason is that people have completely internalized the values of feminism. Feminists have the notion that Asian women are submissive robots, which not only is against feminist ideals but also makes them a threat since feminists know they can’t compete with them. “”””
This is truth as I see it.
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I realized he wouldn’t want a forum, since it will mean less comments on his postings.
He loves our attention dearly.
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LILGRL
What are you referring to?
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@ David A.
Guys like you are the reason we have “game”. “Game” is, after all, the methodical breakdown of what natural alpha males do/say/etc., in order that beta males such as yourself might have an advantage when it comes to swooping fly girls. With said “game” you, too, can become (or at least act like) the alpha male you so idealize and thus obtain said “fly girls” (thank you, G).
“…she was too good for me (and didn’t know my beta flaws)…”
S R S L Y?
Game is the best thing that’s happened to you guys in a long time. So fucking use it.
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“I realized he wouldn’t want a forum, since it will mean less comments on his postings.”
Fora also suck.
Comments on a post are a conversation. A forum post has a topic that should be stuck to then there’s a thread and then it dies.
Comments evolve and change topics based on whoever has the strongest frame and can persuade people to go along and talk about his topic. Better PUA training.
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Imagine having a dream and come up with a million scenarios on how to achieve it. Then your woman just does it and makes it look easy. Dam
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@ contrarian
That people hate Asians/Japan/Japanese culture…that whole little spiel. Call me delusional, but I really do not think that’s the case. In my experience, 1) what Chuck said — the whole “yellow fever” myth thing, and 2) people are semi-obsessed with Japan/Japanese culture.
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But my point is that what is one woman’s alpha is another’s beta.
Yes, and I used to believe in fairy tales and that I could have been an alpha to some girl out there, but then I grew up and realized that I am nobody’s damn alpha.
Not all women are holding out for James Bond or George Clooney. Or Shaft, for that matter.
Yes, those women become upset and bitter, and then turn their attention toward some poor beta male and make his life miserable because he isn’t an alpha.
Dave sounds like he’s been impacted far more by his Mom and the Women of the family, than the Men, particularly the father
I’ll hint you to my family situation growing up if you do feel like speculating. My dad worked quite a bit overtime to support us, while my mom was an overprotective stay at home mother. Mind you, my dad and I spent time talking about school, politics and world events as I became older, and I’d always help him when it came to stuff like fixing his car or putting up sheetrock.* On the flip side, I had more exposure to my female cousins since my older brother left the house at 18 to go play with guns and ugly ghetto women and another older cousin decided to play with other people’s credit cards.
So please, ruminate.
*I’m probably rather useless at those tasks…
Guys like you are the reason we have “game”.
But I don’t want to be an alpha. I’m happy being a beta.
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Tokyo, there is a definition. The alpha is the leader, and the one with the most access to the most resources in a group.
Alpha type behavior is leader type behavior.
So the definition of alpha is as easy to parse as the definition of leader. It’s just that alpha is term that is more specific to discussions about social behavior as it related to hierarchy and gender relations.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
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Gunny
You’re very interesting and open minded guy Gunny.
Woooooaaa. No, you can NEVER do that. That’s tempting fate WAY too much bro.
You can decide that her advice on handling money or investments is better than yours, usually. (Women are generally too cautious and men, especially young ones, too reckless. Caution may help preserve wealth but it rarely creates it. Some tempering or your reckless tendencies by her advice might be the way to go.)
But you can’t hand over control of your money to her. No way no how. Yeah it MIGHT work out, but then you’d be a lucky son of a bitch, and have nothing to do with it. Over time you’d likely be more and more her bitch, within the limits of the culture you two are living in together.
Or maybe her former and now abandoned bitch.
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“But I don’t want to be an alpha. I’m happy being a beta.”
If this is the case, you’re spending an awful lot of energy constructing complaints about a state of affairs you’re perfectly complacent with.
I am otherwise at a loss for words, so, congratulations…
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Dave Alex,
Am I happy? LOL! Nah, not quite. Im not happy because you still can’t simply say, hey, I’m the master of my own fate. Not w/o tossing in a whole bunch of rationalizations that no one buys, but you.
You say “its impossible” for any Woman to be attracted to or love you. How arrogant. Oh, so now you’re a mind reader, Dave? You lie detector-tested all these Women? You had psychological evaluations done? Hmm? Or, is this purely “anecdotal” evidence, like the crap you read on the Internet all day? Lemme ask you a question Dave-you would put more stock in some stuff you read on the web, but you won’t lift a finger to read The Game, right? I mean, if you really want the inside track by one of thee undisputed masters of the game, one would think you’d at the least, read the damn book. But, you didn’t. In fact, you refused to. Cool-but again, *your choice*.
You cling to the whole Gold Digger deal as if your life depended on it, yet you live at home w/Ma Dukes and would have trouble clearling a high 20K salary, before taxes, per year at this point. No way in hell a Gold Digger would be seen dead with the likes of you, and yet every other post from you is about this. More rationalizations as to why you’re a failure.
You say that you’re being realistic. Then perhaps you can do us all a favor Dave, and accept some hardcore reality about yourself.
You have chosen not to sexually escalate on a number of Women, all of whom saw you at least good enough to share the same space with you. That was ultimately your choice, no one else’s. Please accept that, and leave us in peace. Accept your fate with a quiet dignity, and fade off into the sunset. Please stop trying to elicit sympathy, or even hatred, in your attempt to get any kind of rise outta folk. People have repeatedly tried to assist you, to no avail. Again, I can respect your right to be a failure. You have that right. But you don’t have the right to parade your pathetic excuse of a Self in this venue, Dave. That’s disrespectful to others, let alone to yourself. You claim to have a high regard for your self respect. Demonstrate it, by please giving the woe is me rap a rest.
O
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you’re spending an awful lot of energy constructing complaints about a state of affairs you’re perfectly complacent with.
David is an attention whore who finds the topic interesting as a de facto social outcast. Plus, I really suspect David just wants somebody to simply hand him a girl to fuck at his convenience (without resorting to prostitution) instead of going through the process of meeting, attracting, and keeping women around.
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I just saw the story about the Miss California/Gay Marriage ‘controversy’.
First, who ever thought that disease-laden faggot Perez Hilton is a suitable judge for a beauty pageant?
Second, now only far-left faggotized answers are acceptable answers in a beauty pageant?
I highly doubt that Donald Trump agrees with that Colon Conquistador Perez Hilton. But he will avoid the controversy, as there is not profit for him in it.
The day after the contest, that sphincter sargeant has spewing profanities against that lovely young woman, simply for saying that ‘marriage should be between a man and a woman’. Has any judge treated a contestant this way the day after a pageant?
What a faggotty society this is. Man…. a semi-moderate version of Islam (that would still have beauty pageants) is looking better and better.
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“Why is that so difficult for you to understand?”
A lot of things are difficult for that Omega to understand. An Omega cannot grasp an Alpha any more than a sea-cucumber can grasp semiconductors.
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Proxy For Dave Alex,
Dave has had, by his own admission, several chances to bed Women, and he didn’t. Why would anyone in their right mind want to set him up with anyone? What kind of sense does that make?
And perhaps the Proxy For Dave Alex can answer me this: WHY is Dave so down on himself? Where did it come from, what was his relationship with his dad like? Methinks it was nonexistent in the ways that really counted, ie, wrt Women, sex, etc. And, I think his Mom holds a much stronger sway in his life. Which accounts for a lot, including his still living at home five years out from 30.
Holla back
O
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Or maybe Donald Trump, who otherwise has many Republican views, is that brilliant. He knew that a disease-laden faggot like Perez Hilton WOULD sabotage his movement and offend the mainstream, when given a platform to do so.
Gay Marriage nuts have already clashed with Blacks. Now, perhaps they may clash with non-feminist women (feminist women never stand up for a conservative woman, since feminist women have more in common with Perez Hilton than with Miss California).
The fragmented coalition of leftism has to fly apart soon. It must.
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Cannon,
I think the misunderstanding goes both ways, my friend. I didn’t say what I did to taunt you or anyone else, but to offer a perspective that might prove helpful to someone out there reading along. Keep in mind, I noted that I too have a nice guy streak. I talked about the importance of keeping it in check. That has nothing to do with race, in and of itself.
My point about Mary Sue in Salt Lake City, was simply in response to those here who lament the degree of sluts and skanks on the coasts, but who don’t take any steps to really address the situation. Unlike him, and to a lesser extent Doug, they don’t simply admit to the fact that they greatly enjoy sluts and have no intention of ever starting families; that’s a position that I could accept. But what many of the disaffected White guys here do, is they seem to want a Woman who’s hot and loyal, and just slutty enough *for them* and a host of other things that are completely incompatible with each other. Then these same guys claim to want wholesome gals who’ll give em families. So, my point was simply, pick your poison-if you want to start a family, your best bet is to head out to the Heartland. If you want to have fun, stay where you are on the coasts. But you don’t get both.
My own personal situation, one way or another, is irrelevant, because I’m not the one lamenting the sad state of Women today-in fact, I think it fair to say, that I’ve done pretty well for myself, as a Man who has two Women w/little if any drama. All the while most Men here cannot say they have a steady Woman, singular.
True, Feminism has presented some serious problems to family life. I can’t do anything about that. But what I *can* do something about is what goes on in my personal life. An argumentative, loud, brash Woman simply has no place in it. Period.
O
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How arrogant.
Any woman who can do better than me will obviously do better than me, and peruse her options to do so. Otherwise, she has a flaw that prevents her from dating better men. There are obviously better women out there, so why would she choose me over a superior male?
It’s not a matter of being arrogant, but simply a matter of being realistic.
whole Gold Digger deal
That’s obviously a problem if I had a higher income.
You say that you’re being realistic.
I am being realistic. Otherwise, I’d be sitting here saying that girls like beta males, and that any girl is capable of liking me *without* game.
You have chosen not to sexually escalate on a number of Women?
Would you have sex with women that you don’t find attractive?
Would you have sex with women that would embarrass you in front of your friends or family?
Would you believe your chances for a relationship with a woman who is obviously better than you and going places, but only knows a small glimpse of your life from 60 minute long class?
Which accounts for a lot, including his still living at home five years out from 30.
I have male friends who live at home with their parents who are still able to get secure sex on a regular basis, so you may want to try again. Plus, I save money by staying at home, and if I could, I’d rather pay my parents rent to help them pay their mortgage than to pay some landlord rent.
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“””””””””””””””Dougjnn,
But you can’t hand over control of your money to her. No way no how. Yeah it MIGHT work out, but then you’d be a lucky son of a bitch, and have nothing to do with it. Over time you’d likely be more and more her bitch, within the limits of the culture you two are living in together. “”””””””””””’
Yea it is sick right. I am trying to create a situation where I pull money as well as her. Trying to be realistic as I have seen things. It is crazy though she worships me. I worship her. Fucking insane right. Like what if she did stay the same if she was pulling loot and I wasn’t would be super insane if she was able to comprehend in the future that I was the one who helped make her and could still have appreciation for the sacrifice I have made. (that would show genious level loyalty right) I may test on this even if I pull income on side. Live on income of hers and see how the dynamic plays out for a bit. Plus just let my loot stack up to surprize her with later. Kind of shady but the dynamic is intrigueing.
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Obsidian said–
There’s a whole lot of wisdom in this fellow white guys.
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Note. She’s leaving. He isn’t.
This chivalrous idea that men should leave the house to their former woman is the worst thing I’ve ever heard of. Or damn close.
You paid for it. It’s yours. Kick her out. Or make life difficult for her if she stays. Ridicule her. Well I guess you need some talent for that.
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Woman raising her voice to a man is insane. If your woman feels like she can raise her voice to you that is pretty much end of story right there. That means she thinks you are completely fucking deballed to the point of no return. She is of course begging for you to beat the shit out of her.
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Cannon’s Canon–
Yes. But it’s been aimed at white men front and center, and time and again backed off any strong application to especially black, but also Latino or Asian or any other minority men.
Just consider the pell mell retreat after feminists attacked rap lyrics and were met by a storm of protest from blacks including some black women. Just a panicked retreat, really.
Nothing remotely similar has ever happened re any feminist attack on white men, regardless of how fallacious it’s been.
The reason why isn’t how pussy white men are. It’s how utterly without recourse they are in leftist ideology, as contrasted with other victim groups, such as black or Latino men.
Over time however that has tended to make white men in America and the rest of the following Anglosphere more pussy. Especially gen Y, who’ve been raised to this from birth.
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Just another example of a woman pretending to be a man. If you would actually treat them like one though. ie a man that was yelling at you at some point your more than likely going to puch him in the face doesn’t matter who the fuck it is. They would be crying like pussies. Yet they want to pretend man but never own up to that shit.
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O:
Very good response from you to me. Again, I don’t disagree with you inherently regarding the necessity of males (all races and ages) to step up to the plate. Neither do many of the aspiring betas or nascent alphas that would post here. Still, societal influences, especially feminism, push against this role assumption constantly.
Think about porn for a second. Perhaps history has slightly obfuscated the true temper of the times back in the 50’s, but even within my ten year sexual career, good old “V to M” (use your imagination) seems to be A LOT more commonplace in casual encounters. I don’t think it’s just because I started asking for it, either. Behaviorally, this strikes me as being completely taboo for all but the dirtiest, ‘most liberated’ of whores back in our forefathers’ times. Now I can pull it off every second or third SNL, post-condom, no problem.
“So, my point was simply, pick your poison-if you want to start a family, your best bet is to head out to the Heartland. If you want to have fun, stay where you are on the coasts. But you don’t get both.”
My point is – I don’t believe it’s a matter of geography anymore. Men (white, and all others) feel entitled to sexual fantasies way moreso than back in the race-realist glory days of 1950’s American patriarchy (or 30’s, or 1890’s, or 400ad Rome for that matter, although the Romans were surely more sexually expressive). However, female entitlement since the 50’s has far overlapped mere sexual expression. They want (and, meritoriously, deserve) the same careers as their potential suitors. The chaos obviously ensues when gender roles are reintroduced into the legal system, including present-day marriage. Like any union worker or empowered minority, it is awfully tough to cede the concessions that you have outgrown.
I don’t mean to drift from my tangent to a more agreeable middle ground. You propose that white supremacists keep to themselves in the bread belt: a reasonable proposition. Your reasoning is that it will allow them to propagate the majority rule that they seem to idealize. Biggest flaw here: surrendering to the anonymity of the burbs does not afford, by default, their seed to the access of positions of power that will allow them to expound race-realist ideals. In shorter terms, “Move out and fuck off.”
My major issue is that, as a well-grounded black man, you characterize ‘race-realists’ with the same disdainful fervor that many ungrounded black men characterize ‘republicans’ with. I am aware of your bipartisanship/nonpartisanship and commend you for it. I also observe you to be reactionary to race realism and think less of your opinions because of your knee-jerk, defensive replies.
Summarily: when you observe a social conservative who wants to jerk off into his faithful wife’s mouth twice a week, telling him to move out to Kansas will not fulfill his social conservatism at the expense of freakiness. These days, his wife will still find someone who wants to jerk off into her mouth in Kansas.
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Dougjnn:
“Yes. But it’s been aimed at white men front and center, and time and again backed off any strong application to especially black, but also Latino or Asian or any other minority men.”
What relevance? If minority men had the MAJORITY of money, women would be figuratively raping them in divorce court just like a prototype Mayflower descendant.
“Just consider the pell mell retreat after feminists attacked rap lyrics and were met by a storm of protest from blacks including some black women. Just a panicked retreat, really.”
I don’t disagree with your observation of a full-blown retreat from rap lyrics at all. It just reeks way more of socialism than of feminism in this case. Plenty of feminists still criticize rap music – check out the first few pages of that reliable comedy source feministing dot com for proof!
Rap music is inherently masculine and full of test… perhaps that is why I still haven’t outgrown it.
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Cannon’s Canon–
Yes, that’s true. But feminism is a branch of leftism/socialism, and couldn’t prosper without it. Though actually in America, minority or “victim” rights based leftism has been the successful leading edge of socialism, rather than the other way around as has been the case in Europe. In America the cornerstone has been anti-racism, lead by Jews who’s principal interest was anti anti-Semitism, which was promoted alongside.
Note I’m not saying there wasn’t a great need for anti-racism to overturn hard segregation in the south, and soft segregation (though much exaggerated by leftists) in the north.
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DA:
Tupac has laid out the blueprint that you will not follow. I have never addressed you until now, but I have some sage advice that seems crucial at this late hour.
HOW TO BECOME A BETTER MAN:
Tell me what bar in Hoboken you want to meet me at. You are required to buy me three shots and three beers, so choose according to price. I will invite about seventeen girls in law or finance that I know who live there. This guarantees that at least one of them will show (and no more than three), but will bring two dumpier friends along with them. I will lead the introductions by making fun of ALL of them profusely as I continue to drink on your tab (I will eventually inspire my inner Democrat and split it with you).
In my plan, the girls will quickly relocate in disgust, and the one friend of mine of catered to my venue may delete my phone number, although I will not care, because she is a worthless whore in essence. I will be encouraged by this rather than disheartened, and take you to another bar with even less women and more overgrown frat boys, where perhaps we can play beer pong against other men until our vision and memory fade.
Yes, this may sound anhedonic! But to those doubters, I say – I not only get a ‘National Geographic’ level encounter with a FISH OUT OF WATER, but I get to behave like an annunciated jackass with true purpose.
This will get neither of us laid, especially you… but it is a great step one toward blasting you out of piddling oh megga status and into awestruck lesser beta mode. Ohh I’m excited for this now DA, please let me make it happen!
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Dave Alex,
Who cares why she would choose you, other than you, of course. Again-the bottomline is, that you had the chance to bed Women, and you balked. Period.
First you say that Women who are better than you step to you, then you turn around and say that Women that you aren’t interested in step to you, too. One thing’s for sure-for whatever reason, you’re not going lacking for female company, if you want it.
So, please, kill the noize already, Dave. Your excuses and rationales, you can save em. No one wants to hear it. Please, just stop.
O
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David Alexander,
At this point, I want you to go and do 10 GENUINE daytime approaches to women. Even if each one rejects you, go do them. No excuses, no half-assed efforts. 10 GENUINE approaches.
If you need to learn how to do approaches, we can point you to that material.
But until you do this, please do us and yourself a favor and stop commenting here. Go complete the assignment, and don’t comment here until you do.
Period.
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“no way in Hell is a Woman gonna raise her voice to me in my house. Doing so means that she’s a Man, and if she can bass like a Man, she can catch a beatdown like one, too. So, to avoid all that, its time for her to leave, before she ends up in a bodybag and before I end up in jail.”
While I fully agree in principle, the problem is, divorce laws are so ruinous to the man, than many men who would never have taken this crap during the dating phase, submit to it during marriage, because the woman has the power of the STATE behind her.
A woman yelling at a man is a function of her know that the state is backing her. Many of the ‘Beta of the Month’ entries we see here are partly due to the state leaving the man with two horrendous choices, the less ruinous of which is to simple become a de-balled Beta.
It is sad. Men who would never have take crap during the dating phase have no choice but to bear it within marriage due to the power of the state saying ‘Go ahead, make my day’ to them.
Do NOT get married unless she makes the same money as you AND you get a properly done pre-nup AND you have basic competence in Game.
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dougjnn:
“feminism is a branch of leftism/socialism, and couldn’t prosper without it. Though actually in America, minority or “victim” rights based leftism has been the successful leading edge of socialism, rather than the other way around as has been the case in Europe. In America the cornerstone has been anti-racism, lead by Jews who’s principal interest was anti anti-Semitism, which was promoted alongside.”
While you get no argument from me here, you didn’t define the leading motivation of European socialism in your post. Is it simply a sense of unification? As in, are Europeans more aggregate as an instinct than cross-country Americans? I wouldn’t dismiss a ‘yes’ answer, but that must bode horribly for their African immigrants. Or do you literally mean that they embrace the opposite of “victim” rights, like Camus’ The Stranger? “Don’t agree? – Don’t Exist!” -style.
Either way, I still hate fucking socialists.
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Excellent advice from Tupac, and would be useful to anyone, not just David Alexander (who won’t follow it).
Only one disagreement :
” Be sure to get most of your calories from red meat and eggs. ”
Soybeans and lentils have about the same protein content per 100 grams as beef does, but without the cholesterol, fat, and other harmful compounds. Lentils are unknown in the American diet, but they really are an excellent source of protein (plus iron and fiber). They are incredibly cheap too, and have an indefinite shelf life while dry.
The low fat content also enables you to eat MORE without becoming full. Thus, getting 150 grams of protein in a day is actually easier through lentils than through eggs, beef, or chicken breasts.
Check it out. Really.
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OK, I’ve had enough.
David, I understand you are like the horse you can bring to water but can’t make drink.
I know that you, like TokyoBetaGrist, have a bizarre hangup about not “kneeling before Zod” or whatever bullshit rationalization you use to keep yourself from improving. You are pathetic.
But I respect your self-honesty, as twisted as it is. So consider this my last act of charity towards you. I hereby lay out the David Alexander Roadmap for Traversing Chump to Champ Without Making You Piss Yourself.
We will begin from the inside out.
Get a handle on your psychology and your pessimistic self-talk. Ask yourself what are the family dynamics that led you to be as pussyfied as you are. How did your parent’s behavior toward you differ from what normal people experienced? Judiciously pick inspirational heroes (literary or otherwise)who aren’t necessarily ladies men, but just average people who are honorable in all other respects…people who overcame great odds. I recommend Nietzsche, but Marty will do. Your psychological explorations will run deep and may last a long time.
If you feel you have biochemical imbalances, take supplements to augment your mood. There are many nootropics out there that can enhance brain function and mood.
Casually study Game. From reading this blog, you know who to study. At this point, you don’t need to apply, but just to *learn*. The main thing to focus on is female psychology. Before you are ready to start making moves, you need to understand your “opponent” and the rules of the game.
In the meantime, start working out. There is a wealth of information on the web, so I won’t go into detail. The main thing is that you lift *heavy*. Be sure to get plenty of rest, since sleep/ recuperation is just as important as the work you put in the gym. Eat. A LOT. Be sure to get most of your calories from red meat and eggs. One day, you may choose to go to an endocrinologist and go on Testosterone Replacement Therapy. You obviously need it. We can only hope you have the balls to do that much for yourself.
Don’t neglect cardio. Go jogging or ride a bike. Aerobic exertion has incredible effects on the body and mind. Plus, this will later help you in the sack when you need to fuck all night long. Nothing worse than getting winded while trying to fuck your girl standing up.
Work on your posture and movement. A lifetime of betatude has surely ossified in your character. I recommend Alexander and Feldenkrais for this. Study his Great Scenes Of Game to see how naturals carry themselves. Work on integrating these lessons into your daily life. They must become second nature to you.
Take voice lessons. I bet you talk like a pipsqueak. Singing lessons are great for this as they teach you how to properly operate your vocal apperatus. Learn to speak from the diaphragm and with conviction.
Learn how to dress yourself properly. I won’t say you need to peacock (that’s for the G’s), but you need to carry yourself with style. Much of this comes down to personal circumstance and style, but decide on a “persona” and stick with it. Dockers and blue polos aint gonna cut it. You don’t want to stick out necessarily, but you don’t want to disappear into the crowd.
Pimp your ride if you have one. If you don’t, work on that first. Keep it clean and blinged out at all times.
Seriously think about making an abrubt career change. You don’t have to do something you hate, but you should reconsider what it is you think you “love.” Seriously consider anything that involves you managing other people and learning to lead others.
Try out new hobbies. Railfanning isn’t *that* bad. It’s better than holing up in your masturbatorium. But anything that gets you out of the house and interacting with other people is ideal. Even if it is just some faggy SWPL book club.
Take up a physical sport. I recommend MMA. That’s probably a little hardcore for you, so maybe Judo would be better. If not, just do SOMETHING. Even if it’s raquetball. Basically you want something that awakens your competitive spirit and contains some measure of physical exertion. Shuffleboard does not count.
GET YOUR OWN PLACE. Living with Mommy = -100 points. Get your own place, even if it’s a single bedroom apartment. When you get an apartment, keep it stylin’. Cool art on the walls, fixtures, etc. Make sure you have all the amenities to make a girl’s experience there pleasant and classy (adjusted for your SES of course).
Learn to speak to groups. Join Toastmasters. You could even speak about railfanning. The idea is to get you “performing”, ie., learning to express your interests and passions with style. When you start feeling brave, I recommend taking an acting class. You will learn the nuances of emotoinal expression.
All this time, you should be going out to clubs and bars that cater to the women you desire. At this point, you don’t need to be doing anything. Just go and watch. Learn the rules of the place. Get friendly with the staff. Become a “regular.”
Take a dancing class. Learn how it feels to hold a woman in your arms, and how to move her around at your will. Learn what it means to “lead” a woman in the most physical sense.
One you have most of these in place, it is time to start socializing. Start experimenting with casual conversations with people on the street, on the bus, at the bars you frequent. Learn how to hold a convo, even if it isn’t angling toward sex. If you can’t be good, interesting platonic company for more than 5 minutes, then you need to work on that. Try and learn about the people you talk to. Pay attention to the cues they respond to dealing with decisions of trust and openess.
Start throwing parties at your place. Learn to be a host, a leader. Learn how to introduce people to each other. Keep tabs on all your acquaintances. Once you start making connections, start suggesting outings involving your other interests (your new hobbies and sports, remember?).
There may be girls involved at various points along this program. You don’t have to game them at this point. But don’t be an emotional tampon either. You don’t want to be the female boyfriend. Just take the aloof leader role and be courteous. Keep your edge and the power position.
At this point you will hopefully be acquainted, if only by 6 degrees of seperation, with some potential prospects. Hopefully by this point you will have grown a pair and are ready to do something about it. You may need to lower your standards a little bit in the beginning. That’s fine. You just need to get your sea legs. Don’t try to be Mr. Cold Approach Same Night Lay. Just think about manuevering things back to your crib and escalating there. If it doesn’ work out, no fuss no muss, call up one of the other birds.
I suspect you know how to have sex, so if it happens, you don’t need any advice from me. Your main thing is learning how to be engaging from the moment of meet to the point of fucking. This will come in time. The more birds you tear through, the more this will come to be second nature. But you need to start somewhere. Hopefully this post has made that process somewhat accessible to you.
Good luck punk.
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Tood–
They’re harmful to HAVE in your own body.
They aren’t harmful to EAT.
At all.
We’ve gone through this not so long ago. A week ago, or perhaps two maybe. Where were you?
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Only men who earn over $200K (more in NY) have to begin to worry about the real gold-diggers.
A lower income than that won’t really attract the gold-diggers.
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“Where were you?”
I am unable to devote the time necessary to read all threads, unfortuntely.
Sure, one can dispose of cholesterol by eating lots of fiber and exercising.
But red meat also corelates to colon cancer. Many Americans die in their 50s from colon cancer (Tony Snow, Joel Siegel, etc.), while in societies with little or no red meat consumption, the disease simply does not exist.
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the truth is, a certain woman would find that happy medium of security and attraction for you.
Would somebody explain and expand on this idea so David can shut up and leave me alone?
WHY is Dave so down on himself?
I don’t even know anymore. He’s been this way for years and it gets worse every year, especially around June and September.
Who cares why she would choose you, other than you, of course.
David’s aspirational tastes lead him toward women who generally don’t satisfy his fetishes which leaves him conflicted between the nice sweet girls who would accept him, the guido girls he oggles at mall, and the educated, professional women he only wants to use to suit his own ends. And for all the talk David makes of only wanting porn stars, he’ll never admit that he finds his female co-workers to be attractive enough for sex, especially if they have nails. Just the other day, he ranted to a friend about how and old classmate’s secret crush on him was devastating, but he kept going through her facebook photos, so I suspect he really was attracted to her.
I really do think that he wants to know about why a girl finds him attractive to (temporarily) pull up his ego and feel good about himself, especially if the girl is somebody that he wouldn’t be ashamed about.
Admittedly, I feel sorry for my older brother. He’s stuck in his own little prison, and I think he likes it there.
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Proxy for David Alexander,
Are you really his younger brother? If so, make use of the tremendous advice that others have given him here, and improve YOUR life from it. If you are already practicing Game for your benefit, that is wonderful.
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Tood says, “Only men who earn over $200K (more in NY) have to begin to worry about the real gold-diggers.
A lower income than that won’t really attract the gold-diggers.”
Not so. There are gold diggers who look “hot” and go for the big money, and then there are gold diggers at various points on the attractiveness scale who are desperate to get married, or “small time” and okay with taking advantage of a man who’s merely stable.
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I only scanned the comments, so if this has already been posted, my bad.
Here are some mp3s of the “War of the Roses” segments that CH was referencing:
http://hot995.kaneshow.com/podcast/kane_roses.xml
I can confirm from a quick sampling –especially yesterday’s show– that the shows are indeed real and not scripted, that the presumed-alphas indeed don’t give a shit, and that their duped girlfriends are probably going to get cheated on by default anyway.
A particularly funny segment where a cheating man claims an AIDS test discovered by his girlfriend was due to him having accidentally put on another dude’s underwear at the gym. Obviously he banged some total slut he didn’t care a bit about so the roses trick didn’t work because no man would send even free roses to a whore he suspects to have venereal disease. The other-dude’s-underwear ruse was pretty weak though.
Great post.
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Nicole,
I usually rate ‘seeking stability’ as being quite different from gold-digging.
A woman is certainly justified in avoiding a man who is chronically unemployed, or otherwise incapable of holding a job.
That is quite different from wanting to land a high-income man just in order to get a fat child-support payment to live off of.
I guess the attractiveness of a woman would determine the tier of gold-digging she could aspire to, if that were her goal.
A woman who is desperate for marriage is often not a gold-digger, in my experience. Gold-diggers are those who have many options, but seek to sell high.
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It’s not feminism that made women back off rap lyrics.
It is that BETA men are Women’s enemy. Beta men are both competitors for economic, social, and cultural-political power, in a zero-sum game, and bearers of unwanted sexual attention.
Latino and Black men do not stare at attractive or even middling White women, they are not around them. They are also not competitors in the workplace. They are not competitors for power either.
So it’s White Beta Men who get it in the neck. And always will, until a crisis point. Because White women DESPISE Beta men. For being beta. For being “average” and still desiring them, while also being competitors (which itself is Beta to women). White guys are screwed.
The only “good” thing is that technology allows even fringe tribal players like bin Laden, a Saudi exile with pretensions of overthrowing the Saudi Royal family (his real goal), to kill masses of Americans to gain a following. That’s his game plan. He does enough of it and White Women will spell Beta P-R-0-T-E-C-T-I-O-N. But only then. Hence the “good news” (I’m being sarcastic).
As for Dougjn’s observation, he is correct. Power has shifted to Women dramatically, or I should say White Women. Black women have the problem of few available men, due to high rates of imprisonment and large asymmetry in professional or educational accomplishment. This limits their market power. Not White Women, regardless of Salt Lake City, Boisie, Omaha, or Atlanta, NYC, or DC, the power-dynamics and market power of White women are the same. They demand Alpha and will not settle for anything less. It’s not feminism, this phenomena has been going on for a long time. Weber, of “Peasants into Frenchmen” fame, observed that France’s birthrate started to plummet in the 1830s! [His book dates back to IIRC the 1920s.] As coincidentally women’s position got better with urbanization. Contraception, even more anonymity, and better status all made the market power even more unbalanced towards women, but there it is.
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Forums are more trouble than they’re worth. He’s a writer; I doubt he wants to babysit posters.
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These programs’ content is not unlike a highlight film.
By this reasoning, about 90% of all outfield catches in baseball are spectacular, acrobatic, grass-diving affairs. Or so it would seem, from my having seen the Plays of the Week.
What on God’s green earth convinces you that, for every one dupe’s voice broadcast over the airwaves, there aren’t ten who don’t fall for it and are edited out?
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Dangerous wording. This suggests a sort of tone-matching, which is exactly what you DON’T want.
The alpha’s “fury” and “indignation” should stand in stark contrast to the woman’s.
* Hers is an uncontrolled, scattershot, emotionally overwhelmed, almost delirious litany of sundry complaints, many of which will have nothing to do with the original transgression (especially if the litany is allowed to proceed apace, unfettered).
* His should be short, stern, terse, authoritative, and controlled.
Controlled VS uncontrolled is the main motif here.
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Cannon, Doug,
Both of you made some really great comments wrt Hip Hop music & Feminism. If I may, an observation or two.
Doug is right when he points out how Feminists have gone somewhat silent in challenging hip hop-oh, every so often we’ll hear from a prominent voice in opposition-Oprah’s tiff w/50 Cent/Ludacris in recent years comes to mind-but for the most part, you won’t hear Feministing, Feministe, etc et al, saying too much about it, and Doug hit the nail on the head as to why:
Because Hip Hop is undeniably Black, and criticizing it is tantamount to hatin on Black folk. Period.
Its the very same reasoning that goes in the Gay Activist community-note how, back when Prop 8 went down, and virtally ALL Black and Brown folk voted against it, yet Perez Hilton will go after the very White Miss Cali, and Gay activists savage a Mormon minister. They dare not say anything against Blacks, a group who for years, has consistently polled against Gay lifestyles, including marriage.
So, both groups continue the lie that they somehow have some kind of grand “coalition” when I truth nothing could be the case.
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And Whiskey makes a powerful point, one that I keep making to those who fancy themselves Race realists and want to claim that the Average White Guy’s problems somehow stem from Black and Brown folk-not so. As Whiskey clearly lays out above, Black and Brown guys ain’t buckin for your job-Amy and Heather is. Nor is Pookie or Jose making your life a living Hell when you get dumped by your ex, again, that’s the work of Kirsten and Jennifer.
So the question is, why is it so hard for so many White guys to see the problem for what it is, let alone come up with the means to combat it? Especially when we can all see the proof of what Whiskey has been sayin for the longest, right in front of our faces?
What is up with that?
O
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Like I have been in lots of fights with white dudes but it was always one on one. I mean I don’t get this shit. What up wit it. Like it blows my mind just thinking about it. Like to think only one white dude at a time ever fought me. I mean even if there brother was there and I was beating the dudes brothers ass he didn’t come and hit me over head with a two by four. I mean wut up wit dat. Or even like there where 3 white dudes and me and my friend and the fight was between me and the other dude i mean this shit crazy I only fought one dude. wut up wit dat
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I want to take the position that the guys who even ANSWER THESE CALLS are Beta. Who the hell picks up the phone anymore without knowing who it is, like some lower class prole?
If you’re in an important job, you let the voicemail get it and you call back, if you deem the person worthy. This is what I do. Do you think David Geffen just “picks up the phone?”
Screw people calling and telling me I “won free flowers.” Nothing is free.
You know what else is Beta? Lowering yourself to talk to those religious creeps who lurk around neighborhoods in suits. Does anyone else have this? I refused to even allow one to talk to me this Saturday. Once they get to talk to you, they have won. This is a lesson for Betas. Control who gets to talk to you.
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Obsids changing though it is kind of funny before it was all about how many white woman he got and how often he banged ho’s. Now it is about settling down and having kids and how every woman he looks at he looks as the mother of his children. There is something I really enjoy about being a postive role model for black people. Especially when it causes them to rise above their hate and just become people and maybe see white people as people to. Kind of like most white people already see them.
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FTR I know a few nerds with testosterone
That’s a good point. Too often it’s assumed here that Alpha = testosterone. As Tupac correctly said, that’s often so, but not necessarily the case. Nerds come in varietites, and some types have more than enough T:
1) The goateed, big-galoot, male-brained, zero-intuition techie type.
2) Among younger guys, nerds can simply be late bloomers who haven’t come into their own yet and are socially awkwards, from which they’ll grow out.
And no, like TC noted, testosterone and alpha are not the same thing. If that were the case, burly meatheads wolud be pulling more poon than dandyish/socially sophisticated PUAs.
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Goldenseed,
You’re absolutely right. I’ve not been escalating (beta, I know). I’m still relatively new to the concept of game so I have to really force myself forward. She made a comment about how she hated the guys in the town we live in because they all just want to get drunk and fuck so I decided to lay back a bit. Plus, we’ve just been in public places for all of our meetings and I guess I’m not for PDA, hence no attempt to escalate to make out.
I may be giving her too much credit in that I believe her about the guys in the town (it’s a college town and she’s out of college and working). And, like I said, it’s hard for me to really take her last cancellation of a IOD because, if it was true, and I think it was, there was no way she could make it to the date and also was asking to reschedule on the phone. I was the one who refused.
I guess, I’m going to have figure out how to get her back to my place. The problem is, she lives within walking distance of all the good things in town and I have to drive, so unless she invites me over, it’s a logistical obstacle I”m not sure I’m skilled enough to overcome.
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You know what else is Beta? Lowering yourself to talk to those religious creeps who lurk around neighborhoods in suits. Does anyone else have this?
I like to send them to the house of this crazy old bat up the street who meddles in everyone else’s business and is always complaining about this that and the other goddamn thing. She is obviously bored and needs something to do, and fending off religious creeps keeps her occupied.
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PCB Piper said:
“She made a comment about how she hated the guys in the town we live in because they all just want to get drunk and fuck so I decided to lay back a bit.”
She should enjoy the fact that men want to give her attention. In a few years, they won’t. Someone needs to tell her this.
I nominate you, PCB.
This statement was attention-whoring — her leeting you know she’s just so attractive all the guys want her. It’s up to an Alpha to adjust her reality — learn to “reframe” attention whoring. Let her know it’s temporary. Which it is.
You’ll be surprised at the respect you get telling women things other guys are too wussy to tell them. You could get slapped too, but being bold means taking this risk.
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A woman actually being better at some things than you but yet loves you.
See? I told you we were out here. Few and far between, maybe, but we’re out here! 😀
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[quote]What on God’s green earth convinces you that, for every one dupe’s voice broadcast over the airwaves, there aren’t ten who don’t fall for it and are edited out?[/quote]
Fo’ shizz.
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*sigh* i forget where i am. but you get it.
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LILGIRL
There are lots of people who go apeshit if anything related to Japan is mentioned.
Nicole
Then why don’t people use that definition, and that definition only? Why does everyone have their own and often ludicrously arbitrary definition?
Tood
Your semi-moderate Islam is a product of your imagination and does not exist. Get over it.
We can add omega to the list of meaningless words.
Gunslingergregi
And of course the possibility that the woman might have a legitimate reason to raise her voice is entirely out of the question.
Tupac Chopra
I don’t understand why I’m constantly called a beta. It doesn’t make any rational sense whatsoever (so I guess that makes you an idiot).
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Obsidian, Lil Grl
Regarding the White male/Asian female mix I think Obsidian is mostly correct. That is, that often (not always) in those couples the male is more nerdy (or at least less jockish) than might be expected for the attractiveness of the female.
Amongst other things, this is probably related to relative testosterone levels (Asian men and women on average having lower levels). This means that the average white male will be considerably more masculine than the average Asian female and will this seem Alpha enough. There may also be cultural reasons for the more beta-provider like choices of Asian women.
There seems (to me) to be more nerdy Asian women. By “nerdy” I mean a more masculine brain (logical, technical) needing less emotional buzz, and more introverted (needing less social excitement). Again this would make the nerdy White guy exciting enough. It might make the average Alpha White or Black man “too much of a good thing.”
A note on stereotypes
Stereotypes are a group phenomenon. They are about averages not individuals. They represent a rule of thumb, not a rule of nature. There be exceptions, but they do not disprove the rule.
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PA, Lil Grl,
The big division for nerds is not Testosterone but introversion.
The only way to program C++, solve a server problem, engineer a bridge, or perform any other nerdy/geeky task, is to sit still and think. Introversion is the thing that allows them perform those tasks without going mad. No extrovert could spend eight hours alone in a cube wrestling code or equations.
The world benefits from introverts. It often rewards them well financially and career wise. However, the social world punishes that same behavior.
A note on introversion
Introversion is not about social fear. It is about social energy. The introvert finds social activity tiring. A night on the town is hard work for the introvert. A high T introvert will project less of his masculinity outward than the equivalent extrovert.
That said, I am sure there is some link between testosterone, dopamine, etc. and levels of intro/extroversion.
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I like the linear, single-string commenting system this blog uses now.
I’ve always avoided discussions on blogs where comments nest below older replied-to comments because the non-chronological nature of the string/tree of comments makes it likely that a new comment will be buried somewhere with older commetns, unread by anyone.
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—She is obviously bored and needs something to do, and fending off religious creeps keeps her occupied.—
A fucking humanitarian, you are!
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I doubt the show would work so well if they would just expose the guy’s cheating.
It’s the added fact that he decides to send the roses to their “other woman” that really fucks with the female mind.
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Default User–
Similarly, it’s good to always quote something from the person you’re replying to. That way people can do a find on a string of text from your quote and go immediately to their entire post.
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Comment Forum?
I believe that there is a forum like extension available for WordPress. It would not change much. The main difference is that replies to individual comments would be nested. That would make following conversations easier. The main post would still be his as users cannot add posts. It would not affect the dynamic much but would make following conversations easier (no more scrolling up and down trying to figure out who said what to whom).
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dougjnn
LOL. Yea I often do that but was too lazy in the previous case (and the comments were close together).
And I use the <blockquote> </blockquote> pair because that makes it obvious it is quoted text.
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This is the only blog where I comment with any regularity and one of the reasons is the visual clarity and simplicity of the comments.
They are set off from each other and the text/line spacing is nicely compact. The alternating shaded comments are good to.
Some blogs (like Siggie’s) make it a chore to figure out where one comment ends and the otehr begins. Also, commentor data/date-sent info is too similar to the comment text, or too close to it, and so on.
In contract, this blog has a nice clean easy to read through appearance.
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Well, for whatever reason, and I do think its a combination of things, Asian American Woman, on average, certainly select for differing traits than do Black, Hispanic and a good chunk of White Women. Even the most casual observer will see this.
Like Default said, I do think inherent cultural norms come into play, which seem to place more focus on things that more nerdier guys would have natural strengths in, such as, for example, sitting still for long periods of time contemplating how to solve a problem.
And, I also think that Dave Alex’s comment about Asian American Women selecting overwhelmingly White Men having to do w/getting whom they deem the highest status Male in American society makes perfect sense-and in many ways, I can’t blame em. While it may sound mercenary on its face, in truth, what Women would want to toss in their lot w/a male group who is at a decided disadvantage along these lines? This, to me, at least in part, explains why Black Male/Asian Female pairings are so few and far between, because socially, Black Males simply don’t carry the same “weight” as do White Males. That makes sense to me.
And while I certainly hear where Tupac and PA are coming from, I maintain that, on average, Da’Shawn and Sal have more T than Ling’s man Brad. I’m just sayin.
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I also like the clean look here. No excessive links and other elements in each comment cluttering things up.
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On the hatred for Asian chicks, I think there is a much simpler way to look at it.
Who is doing the hating, by and large? White women. Who are these Asian girls dating, falling in love with, marrying and making unavailable to other women? White men.
This is, in my opinion, the exact same phenomenon which occurs among black women, when they see a black guy dating a white chick. There may be other rationalizations for it, but they are rationalizations not the actual reason.
The one group I can think of that PC leaves alone are blacks, so when somebody asks a “on the street” black woman what she thinks, she’ll actually give an honest answer. She maybe a raving racist, but intellectual dishonesty won’t be one of her vices.
As Asian women become acclimatized to modern American (non)culture, they’ll become more like the native whores.
If I had to guess, the beta WM with an Asian girl is the girl actually having some clue about what she wants out of life. She wants to be married, have a family, etc. so she seeks men that will be good for that. They look for a guy that has the long term qualities.
American whores, though, look at short term qualities when looking for a guy then are shocked *SHOCKED* that the short term guy wound up being non-long term material. The guy that wasn’t into serious relationships, wanted to see (aka fuck) other women and wanted no kids turned out (I know this will surprise most women) to not be into serious relationships, wanted to see (fuck) other women and not want kids.
This will, of course, be the man’s fault.
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on average, Da’Shawn and Sal have more T than Ling’s man Brad.
Sal is a Guido?
I think we (Tupac and I) agree with you on the average T thing.
My point was that high T alone is not a guarantee of alphahood. Often guys with less T but with feminine qualities such as social intuition are more alpha (poon-swooping wise) than hairy, high-T meathead types.
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Gunny,
Just want to clarify some comments you made in reference to me.
First, I’ve never “bragged” about bedding White Women; in truth, I was only responding to notions and comments made by others in the forum, some of which were the idea that Black Men will fuck Women White Men won’t. I personally think such statements provide a good cover as to why some White guys Game is so weak.
As for my selection process, I’ve always held the view that I didn’t want to get sexually involved w/a Woman whom I didn’t see as a potentially mother to my child. Great strides in birth control notwithstanding, still there’s the chance that she could come up pregnant, and if so, its better to know that she’s the kind of Woman with whom I could do business with over the next few decades. Its something I advocate more of my brothers give some serious thought to, Black or White.
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LilGrl–
OH NO!!!!
Tragedy!
I LIKED your icon pic.
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PA
The layout here, including alternate shading, is fairly common. This is after all a WordPress driven blog. WP is perhaps the most popular blogging software and the theme (Mistylook is also fairly popular).
The problem is that if you arrive late to the discussion it is difficult to follow conversational threads. It can take a lot of searching and scrolling to trace a thread back to its beginning.
All design is about trading off information, function, and clarity. We could have even longer arguments about design elements than we do about pick-up, divorce, feminism, and race relations. I have no interest in doing that.
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The problem is that if you arrive late to the discussion it is difficult to follow conversational threads.
Most separate discussions within a are good for about 3-4 back & forths. After that, they become pissing contests or nerdorama hair-splitting exchanges.
I say leave well enough alone.
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Howard Roark
THat’s a bit of inside baseball.
He’s currently posting under “Contrarian”.
He first irritated people here to no end under the nic Tokyojesusfist so that’s how many still refer to him – in part I think to not allow him to escape the opprobrium that surrounds him.
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Besides, there is a Darwinian beauty to how lesser comments are ignored/forgotten and the more interesting ones are responded to.
Using italics or blockquotes should be enough to give sufficient context to what is being said.
Seeing the numbering back up again woudl be nice but I don’t know if R. has any control over that feature.
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@dougjnn
Did it go away? Hmm.
@ Tarl
Hells ^ Yeah
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Since HR brought it back up, and Doug had a few things to say about it, I’d just like to clarify a bit my comments earlier.
I largely agree w/Doug, your Woman should have her own views andbe able to give input on matters, etc. What I was responding to, was this notion of blatant disrespect on the part of some Women, and to my mind, it don’t get no worse that her bassing on you in the house YOU built.
We can discuss any problems in a civil and humane manner-i don’t holler at her, and likewise her to me. Even if we don’t agree, we can still be respectful of each other. Like I said, she has a right to her POV and to express same, provided she does so in a manner befitting a Lady.
See, from where I sit, a lot of guys fail to set the tone and set the pace of the nature of the association early. Then when they try to do so later on, its too late. Brothers, understand this: Women NEED security, and that includes first and foremost, emotional security. Often, when a Woman acts out, its a signal that she doesn’t feel secure and safe w/you.
So, early on, I’m very careful to laydown the groundrules, how things will go, what I do and don’t like, and what she can expect of me, and if *I* fail, she has every right to leave. That’s only fair.
I’m the kind of guy who likes a Ho in the bedroom and a Lady out of doors. Call it old fashioned or downright silly, but I think a lot of Women have made life much harder for themselves by tossing this hardwon axiom aside by their aunties and grannies and mommas. Women will get a whole lot further w/her Man or Men in general, if she conducts herself in a ladylike manner, and keeps her Whorish side under wraps.
Crass behavior on the part of a Woman is a serious turnoff to me, and bassing on me in MY HOUSE, is such an example.
None of the Men in my fam allowed such behavior from their Women, married or no, and I don’t intend to break the tradition. As I said before, I’m not a tyrant; this is a Benevolent Dictatorship. 😉
And trust me, if you run things this way, your Woman will love you deeply for it.
The Obsidian
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This thread is meaningless to me, except for what Obsidian said about keeping bitches in line, but as far as this blog layout is concerned, the format is perfectly clear and simple, and should NOT be changed. The one thing he should do to facilitate argument is number each comment (instead of just having the time) with a big-ass numeral, like so:
http://abovethelaw.com/2009/04/laid-off_lawyer_of_the_day_mon.php?show=comments#comments
Its nice to know what post is being responded to. For example, I read all these responses to Tokyojesusfist but where the fuck is his original comment? When there were only 50 comments it was no big deal, but now I can’t sift through 3-400 posts to find out where the divergence occurred.
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The problem is that if you arrive late to the discussion it is difficult to follow conversational threads. It can take a lot of searching and scrolling to trace a thread back to its beginning.
Whining about this is beta.
If he changes the format of his blog because some commenters don’t like it… also beta.
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The numbers are there. On Firefox select View > Page Style > No Style.
You lose most of the formattting but life is not perfect.
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So lilGRL why do you swear?
Is it to be cool. I mean a woman who swears wow. Very impressive lol
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The unfortunately inactive blog – Black Misogynist – has a great post on Why White women hate Asian women.
Definitely worth a read.
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“[editor: cheating is not an indicator of betaness. you didn’t read the story you linked to carefully.]”
Yeah, the cheater in question was not the ‘beta’, it was the girl. The “beta” participated in the cheating. You need to teach these kids young. Is being unable to judge a female’s character a beta trait, or just a general male one?
I certainly didn’t mean to imply cheating is a beta trait. Just that they in particular should not try it. I don’t think betas should even go NEAR that, though. They can’t handle one woman, nevermind an angry one and another one. It’s really bad judgement to go after a girl with a gansta boyfriend too.
The script in her head is something like:
“YOU cheating on ME!!!??? If I wanted a no good unfaithful son of a bitch I sure as hell wouldn’t have chosen YOU. (I’d have gone with xxxx. At least he was exciting, you worthless asshole.)”
This is assuming she’s exposed to some exciting guy. Hard men are hard to find. But, yes, exactly. You want a beta for stability and exclusive goddess worship.
True beta responses to being found out about their cheating ways:
— In this case with the roses, crying. Bursting into tears as soon as she yells. Then coming out with a story through his sobs with a story about how the female he was sending flowers to has cancer. Or had her dog run over.
Worse, it’s probably even true.
— If you were DA, assert that you prefer your porn to a real woman, as she should well know. Then he tells her he also prefers the porn to the drama, so it’s over. He thought she was different. Bye. Is DA a true beta, hmm.
— Tell her how much pain she caused him by avoiding him. Did she have any idea how much he was worried because she didn’t answer his 100,000 calls for a day or two? ( He needed to woo another female Let’s-Just-Be-Friends pronto, who’d just yesterday broken up with her boyfriend. These oppurtunities of emotional vulnerability do not crop up always!) Ofcourse, he’s using the ‘broke up with her boyfriend’ as the ‘cancer’ story.
— Does one drunken kiss then a ‘get off me!’ really count as cheating?
bell hooks:
—I think Obsidian is Iceberg Slim reincarnated…—
Too many spelling and grammer errors.
Yes, too many spelling and GRAMMAR errors.
Regarding being viscerally turned on by a guy with other women:
I’ve actually noticed that happen to me, seeing a guy gently socially dominate his girlfriend or watching flirty interactions. I don’t think social conditioning and a woman who’s looking to be able to trust her man can coexist peacefully with a discovered instance of cheating, but that is a seperate issue from whether it gets the hormones going or not. Simply seeing you surrounded by women is pointless, you have to be observed as dominant over them. A subservient guy who’s just hanging around women because he seems like he’d do anything for a bit of their attention is definitely not hot and I’m actually quite prone to thinking that naturally. Seeing other women attracted to the man in question is hot, seeing him easily impressed or manipulated is not.
chic:
LOLROF yes sir you are indeed right. Women here are hated simply because they are women and dare have an opinion that differs from the average male here.
I think guys with differing opinions are actually more severely eviscerated. Maybe that’s just me. When they pick on you specifically chic, their relatively restrained language indicates deeply harboured lust and the desire to dominate you specifically rather than contempt (yeah, lurker, I’m well jealous. GO AFTER CHIC, THEN. Maybe I’ll honeytrap YOU in a crazed fit of jealousy. Bastard.)
males:
You do realise there’re males who have problems with libido and potency going into relationships with women with different needs? I don’t know if it’s more common in my ethnicity or some such. I recently saw a Q&A on islamonline.net which I can’t find again of a woman going ‘ We only do it twice a week and I’m still pretty. I want more. I don’t want to do anything non-halal and have talked to him about this. HELP MEE!’
DA: They might be interested because your total disinterest is attractive alphaness in action. <– You’ve decided your identity is beta, when what you actually do is probably a mix. Maybe you’re substituting ‘beta’ for ‘hideously malformed’? That would make people leave you alone about reforming your hopeless ways.
Tupac/Chuck: You can look at it two ways: either DA is genuinely deeply traumatised which leads to an extreme worldview filled with insane rationalisations OR he genuinely doesn’t think women are worth it in any way. And never will. I’m going for the latter because we all know beta is changeable, as has been demonstrated over and over. He does not think it’s worth it and never will. I don’t think he should go near real women, if he doesn’t particularly like them, what’s the point? If not for the reasons he puts forth, but because I don’t think he’ll ever even try to show a woman a good time or feel affection for her, I still think he should stay away from mating. He’s got plenty of testosterone, as demonstrated by his addiction. I think it’s even harder to get into Dave’s mind because you think he must be like you and want fundamentally the same things, but in the ways that matter he isn’t.
Still, I’m having doubts now because of the convenient appearance of the Proxy. I suspect it is Dave Alex in non-character disguise, which makes him cruelly unreal. I guess I can respect an alter ego.
I’ve copied & pasted what you said, though, Tupac. For sending to any poor guys out there, going ‘why can’t I get with the females?’. You can’t get candy which will only give you pleasure for five seconds without the effort and cost of getting it, so why would anyone expect that of one of the most amazing pleasures in life, eh?
schoolboy:
“He loves our attention dearly.”
Like a fat kid loves chocolate gateau.
Default:
Oh, God, don’t talk to me about that “document.arrow.src= B.src;
return;” baby. It’d be like porn, I couldn’t bear it. I would quote some C++ I learned eons ago (middle school, I think you call it in the US), but found nowhere to apply it so I forgot it promptly.
On a serious note, like h said, it is actually quite hot if a guy’s good at his job. Or just really good at whatever he does. Not sure if this applies to most females but I tend to feel like this whenever I observe it. I suppose some jobs are hotter than others, though I think this differs for the female in question. I tend to believe it’s hottest if you’re actually in her field or one she’s familiar with, but I’m not sure if that holds in general.
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Default: Well, you’re right to some extent, here’s one writer that capitalises on nerd fantasies. Some reviewers use them as examples of beta heroes working but I’d have to disagree, it’s just alpha masquerading as computer programming introversion and the hero I read had balls where it counted to have them if I remember. I’ve only read one by her, all I recall is me scoffing at the idea that a computer programmer would just coincidentally use working to think, which explains why he might do it heavily. There’re a few romances I found memorable using men with geekiness, here’s another example by the famous Nora Noberts.
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Bhetti
That is true. However, many professions suit introverted types. Introverts may be very good at their job but will still be punished (socially) for being introverts.
Extroversion is an important element in Alphaness. An introvert by his quiet reserved nature will always seem less Alpha.
The “strong silent” type does exist as an Alpha archetype but my guess is most women will prefer the more active version of Alpha. In that sense geeks that are very good at their job will still have a tougher time of it than more extrovert types.
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“She made a comment about how she hated the guys in the town we live in because they all just want to get drunk and fuck so I decided to lay back a bit.”
That sounds like she wanted a bit of good old-fashioned wooing. And take it as a good sign when your girl starts talking about sex.
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“””””””””””””””Gunslingergregi
Woman raising her voice to a man is insane. If your woman feels like she can raise her voice to you that is pretty much end of story right there. That means she thinks you are completely fucking deballed to the point of no return. She is of course begging for you to beat the shit out of her.
And of course the possibility that the woman might have a legitimate reason to raise her voice is entirely out of the question.””””””””””””””
Naaa Contrarian there is never a legitimate reason for a woman to raise her voice to a man even if he is about to be hit by a car.
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Bhetti
LOL You really do discover new things every day. Nerd romances.
From a quick scan of the blurbs it seems that the main character has some alpha characteristics. In other words he is an accountant …
… an accountant that is buff, rides a Harley, can fly planes and presumably wield a sword and shield.
I will read the Amazon pages on them though.
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working = working out
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Bhetti
So he would be a great nerd hero if only he was not so damn nerdy.
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Default: It’s a sham, I tell you! From what the reviewer said, though, she did go a bit overboard with the pistons. There’s only so much a fairly mainstream reader can take. Aren’t there nun fantasies? If she wasn’t so damn nun-like.
Also, my roommate has now left the house after I’ve sent her off with a breakfast sandwich. So, definitely, sleep time.
With deep regret in my bosom, I leave thee to surrender to the encroaching tide of slumber that rips me so unfeelingly away…
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Note: the last known instance of thee known to me in Romance was Shakespeare, a medieval historical romance or two and Elizabeth Barrett Browning.
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””””””””’Default,
So he would be a great nerd hero if only he was not so damn nerdy.””””””””””””
lol
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Jason
First off, you might be better asking your question on a newer post. It has a better chance of been seen by a larger audience.
I am probably not this board’s silverback but here goes.
Essentially my advice is, do not apologize. At least do not apologize in a weak an insecure way.
It is more a case of expressing that you are a man with needs. You sometimes need a bit of variety. Your apology is for causing her hurt, not for the cheating itself. You scored with an attractive member of the opposite sex that was not your wife. Sometimes men do that kind of thing (especially attractive men – hint hint).
There is nothing to figure out. You still love her. You still come home to her. You have done nothing to the family, they do not (or should not) know. The neighbors do not know (and you are not telling or boasting). You bust your nut with another woman, but you will bust your back for the family.
She still has your commitment but she better not take too long “figuring things out.”
Let her cry. Let her yell. Tell her you understand her hurt. Then make mad passionate love to her.
Some of the married (or more alpha) men may offer better or more detailed advice, but for now the above offers a reasonable start.
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“”””””””””””””””””Jason,
As of now, she wants me out of the house and said she will let me know when I can see the kids”””””””””””””””
Dam ok I didn’t see this part she is already using the kids as a weapon. Not a good strart.
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From Forbidden Flowers, a book on female sexual fantasies:
The one fantasy which started when I was about ten, has become a well-developed, detailed, and (excruciatingly) arousing little plot that I embellish whenever I want to. However, the theme is always domination, and I always get spanked. One important detail is that the guy is smoking cigarettes – I guess this adds to his macho appearance. I only go out with very sensitive men who are in the creative field, but they’ve all been fairly dominating (but in a gentle, considerate way). I won’t take shit from any guy and refuse to be told what to do.
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He rolls me over on my stomach and very slowly lifts up my skirt and pulls down my underpants and leaves me like that while he leaves the room to get a number for his agent. (As he puts the phone down, he whispers, “If you move, I feel sorry for you, and you can forget about sitting down for tonight.”) When he comes back, I have sat up, pulled up my underwear, and pulled down my skirt.
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After the call, he spanks me very hard, but I refuse to cry. Then he fingers me while he makes another call, which lasts for maybe twenty minutes. After that one, he spanks me again, always in between each slap saying what a spoiled brat I am and how I’ve had this coming to me for a long time He continues until I cry.
Then he tells me to lay down and wait for him. He goes into
the kitchen and comes back with rope and ties me up. He takes off his leather jacket, and rolls up his sleeves (this turns me on even more) and teases me for a long time (I love to be teased), then he unties me, and we make love all night, but he NEVER apologizes.
Straight from the uncensored mind of a horny woman.
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Your blog is the best I’ve ever read. This is, quite simply, a male liberation site.
Please look up über-Alpha Alan Clark on Google. He’s dead but he was a British MP. He fucked anything that moved and asked his missus to cook breakfast for the three of them the next morning. On more than one occasion he had a threesome with a woman … and her 18 year old daughter!!!!
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LEGEND!!!
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