And the god of biomechanics did enlighten thee…
Frequently phlegmatic commenter Thursday posted a link in the comments to yesterday’s slut admiration society post that contained a news item about noted paleocon Roger Scruton marrying at the age of 54 a 26 year old woman:
Scruton did not become a father until two years ago when he and his second wife, Sophie Jeffreys, had Samuel. A second child, Lucy, was born last August. Jeffreys, an architectural historian, is 28 years his junior. They live contentedly on a farm in Wiltshire.
And the Pale Sentinel of the Paleocon Underworld Peter Brimelow was in his 60s when he married the 22 year old cutie-pie Athena:
Bacchus bless these refined aesthetes of poon hounding. Men of wealth and taste…
In other news, commenter Patrick provided a helpful link to MP3s of the “War of the Roses” stunt thats plays on the local DC radio station 99.5. Why do haters bother doubting me? As Patrick wrote:
I can confirm from a quick sampling –especially yesterday’s show– that the shows are indeed real and not scripted, that the presumed-alphas indeed don’t give a shit, and that their duped girlfriends are probably going to get cheated on by default anyway.
A particularly funny segment where a cheating man claims an AIDS test discovered by his girlfriend was due to him having accidentally put on another dude’s underwear at the gym. Obviously he banged some total slut he didn’t care a bit about so the roses trick didn’t work because no man would send even free roses to a whore he suspects to have venereal disease. The other-dude’s-underwear ruse was pretty weak though.
Great post.
Another win for me. I tire of the paucity of challengers to my brilliance. Pissboy! Wait for the shake.
Scruton’s an impressive fellow, and an admitted womanizer, but he’s no hedonist. I find his views towards sex pretty disagreeable.
“Is there something that makes it impossible for you to be a libertarian?
Yes, because a libertarian is someone who thinks that the mere fact that someone desires something is enough to give him a right to pursue it, provided he isn’t interfering with other people’s rights. And I don’t agree with that. I think that, about most things that matter, our desires are fundamentally in need of emendation.
For example?
Sex is an obvious example. I’m a believer in fidelity and marriage and all those things. My life hasn’t been exemplary in that respect any more than anyone else’s. But I certainly don’t think the libertarian approach — that whatever people want they should have — is right. Drugs likewise. I do agree there’s a huge difficulty in how you control these things, and whether you should control them by law.
What’s your main disagreement with the way sex is discussed and thought about today?
I think the main thing wrong with the way sex is discussed is what I call Kinseyism. It’s regarded as an affair of the sexual organs. It’s all discussed in measurable terms, in terms of sensations and orgasms and things like that. And as a result it is emancipated from the great project of human love.
Isn’t this desirable?
It’s a form of liberation, yeah. But to liberate people from love is a liberation scarcely to be desired. People have been liberated, but liberated into a kind of emptiness.
Sex toys, porn videos, sexual orientation as a lifestyle decision — you don’t approve of this?
I don’t think anybody who’s thought seriously about sex can approve of this. It is emancipating people not just from this project of love, but also child-rearing and responsibility and all the difficult sacrifices which are necessary if one generation is to inherit the social capital of the previous one.
Salon is based in San Francisco, so I should ask for your views about homosexuality.
I’m all in favor of the old-fashioned approach, that you don’t talk about this, decency forbids, and you don’t proselytize this as an alternative on a par with marriage and child-rearing and all the rest. Apart from that, I think it would be a total mistake to think that homosexual desire is the same kind of thing as heterosexual desire.
How so?
First of all it’s your own sex, which you know inwardly from your own intimations and desires. There’s no venture outwards into the unknown. It all can become very easily a matter of contractual negotiations, and we know that’s what it tends to become.”
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Paleocons Are Hedonists
These marriages don’t last. In 5-7 years, she’ll see his dwindling body, his sclerotic mind, his night time urinary frequency, and wake up wondering what she was thinking.
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sound more like control freaks than hedonists
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Note though that while Scruton and Brimelow had no bones (heh!) about using their status to aquire cute young women as mates, neither of them were using it to screw around. I believe Brimelow and his wife are traditionalist Catholics (I know she is), and Scruton has turned back to High Anglicanism.
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Scruton’s an impressive fellow, and an admitted womanizer, but he’s no hedonist.
ye shall judge them by the pussy they pound.
the face of fear:
In 5-7 years, she’ll see his dwindling body, his sclerotic mind, his night time urinary frequency, and wake up wondering what she was thinking.
even if all that were to transpire, seven years of hot sex with a woman decades younger is more than most older men will ever get to enjoy. so i’m not seeing the downside, anony.
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BTW Scruton wrote an entire book on the philosophy of sexual desire here.
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thursday:
neither of them were using it to screw around.
virtue is easy when your most desirous vices are sated.
or: they didn’t use their status to nobly (*snicker*) grow old along an aging hag wife either.
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“I’m not seeing the downside”
The downside is being alone and lonely in your elder years. She’s got the kids, he’s alone.
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this is entirely unrelated, but is super hot nonetheless
http://suicidegirls.com/members/Missy/albums/site/13576/
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“And the god of biomechanics did enlighten thee…”
Roissy, how exactly is “biomechanics” god?
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I don’t know about that, Anony. My Dad was almost twice me Mom’s age and they stayed married for three decades, until he died. And there are many couples past and present, who do this.
Whether Scruton and Brimelow can go the distance, so to speak, with their marriages, I don’t know; but from a purely sexual standpoint given their ages, I’m inclined to roll w/Roissy on this one-if I’m a 50-plus year old guy, and I have the chance to get laid on the regular by a hot babe half my age for just five years, I’d be crazy not to take that deal. Assuming all the plumbing is still in good working order, of course. 😉
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el chief:
If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.
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«I tire of the paucity of challengers to my brilliance.»
There is a Russian joke about this: two cowboys come out of a bar. Suddenly one points up the street and cries «Hey Charlie, that’s the Uncatchable Joe over there! Let’s go and catch him!» Charlie shrugs: «Sure, that’s Joe, but who needs him anyway?»
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virtue is easy when your most desirous vices are sated.
No shit, Sherlock. Of course it’s easier not to screw around when your married to a cute girl.
P.S. From all I have heard, Brimelow was a standup guy with his first wife through an 8 year battle with breast cancer.
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Any pictures of crouton and his wife?
Paleocons Are Hedonists
This is very different than your usual definition of hedonism. There is no indication these men have even had sex outside a marital relationship. They are old-fashioned religious patriarchs. At least in crouton’s case it made sense to have a very young wife if he was in it for the reproduction. He needed the youngest wife possible to make up for his degenerated geezer seed.
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Taki is the real paleo horndog.
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That’s right, fellas; simply by emulating Roissy’s alpha male philosophy and rules of Game, YOU TOO can marry 22 year old interns…as long as you’re rich…and powerful.
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Well umm the good thing is any guy can be rich and powerfull. Yeeee fucking haaaaaa
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So, whence comes the need for Game?
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Or a guy can take the semi rich buy some shiny things route
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To learn about life. To find the right woman may take 200. You do need to know what you want so that when you do find her you keep her.
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Brimelow’s not that powerful– paleocons inhabit a rather insular political netherworld of their own.
For sixty, though, he’s ridiculously cute.
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Rich means you can get a shitload of woman it does not insure you find the right woman.
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“this is entirely unrelated, but is super hot nonetheless”
Am I the only one deeply disgusted by any type of tattoo or non-ear piercing on a woman? A tramp stamp can turn a 9 into a 7.
Suicide Girls seem like 5s and 6s who become niche 7s and 8s by joining sub-cultures with few hot women. An otherwise plain girl can become the hottest girl in the punk crowd.
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“Rich” means you’re likelier than not to find yourself surrounded by hardened bitch beauties.
Alas, but the men never detect the bitch inside till it is too, too, too late.
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this is a telling article:
Teen girls are swapping sex for … just about anything
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090423.lsexweb24/BNStory/lifeFamily/home?cid=al_gam_mostview
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That’s all well and good, but unless you’re operating on the levels of men like Peter Brimelow and Roger Scruton (and moving in the same extremely conservative circles), you don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of marrying beautiful, under-25 girls after the age of 50–hell, even 45.
Tout the merits of Game all you like, but if you want this scenario to be your reality, you need cash and power; girls that age wouldn’t otherwise give you the time of day…and you fucking know it.
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fwiw:
i believe this article is almost 9 years old…someone can find out what happened to their marriage.
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the only pictures i found of athena were on a hilariously stupid anti-steve sailer site (http://sailerfraud.blogspot.com/2008/12/who-is-athena-kerry-of-vdare.html). roissy should put her pic up on the next ‘rate-her-hotness’ post; i think she would average a five. still, five’s pretty good for an old guy who runs a website named after the first white person born in the americas — better than i’d expect him to get. (let’s face it, hard-right political opinions are low-status signifiers to most women that take a lot of game or other high-status signifiers to make up for.)
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That’s true; Brimelow and Scruton do have the “niche” advantage there. Highly religious girls ache for suitors who will fulfill their parents’ laundry lists of husbandly qualifications.
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ooh, Mrs. B’s real first name is Lydia. That says something to me right there. Smacks of denim jumpers and homeschool conferences. (not that there is anything wrong with THAT.)
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let’s face it, hard-right political opinions are low-status signifiers to most women that take a lot of game or other high-status signifiers to make up for.
No, they’re not. Slumlord explains it in the comments here.
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anony’s frightened id:
The downside is being alone and lonely in your elder years.
if it’s companionship he wants, that’s easy enough for an old man to get. it’s not like the ratio isn’t heavily in his favor at that age. heh.
She’s got the kids, he’s alone.
since when are fathers completely forbidden from seeing their kids?
on second thought, you may have a point…
schoolboy:
Roissy, how exactly is “biomechanics” god?
by default.
thursday morning:
No shit, Sherlock.
didn’t take to the phlegmatic label, eh?
Of course it’s easier not to screw around when your married to a cute girl.
then why did you imply in what you wrote that their scruples stopped them from cashing in on their status?
P.S. From all I have heard, Brimelow was a standup guy with his first wife through an 8 year battle with breast cancer.
i’m not faulting brimelow for his choice of pussy, nor am i disparaging his character. i’d choose similarly. but i will point out that brimelow didn’t remarry a woman his age.
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ummmm:
So, whence comes the need for Game?
you must be new here.
or disingenuous.
i’d bet on the latter.
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Brimelow was indeed devoted to his first wife Maggie, who was quite hot as well, judging from the photo of her he posted on his site vdare.com.
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thomson:
i think she would average a five.
you’re being spitefully harsh. she’s a 7 in most of her pics.
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didn’t take to the phlegmatic label, eh?
Hey, what can I say, sometimes I can be kind of bitchy. Must be the feminine side of my personality.
but i will point out that brimelow didn’t remarry a woman his age.
1. He would have stayed with the first wife i.e. chosen old pussy over young.
2. Marrying a younger woman isn’t the same as sleeping with a bunch of them.
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she’s a 7 in most of her pics.
And daaaaamn her little sister is hot. Hell, even mom and grandma aren’t too bad. See here.
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roissy:
you must be new here.
or disingenuous.
i’d bet on the latter.
CORRECT!!!
It’s one thing to rave about the wondrous majesties of Game, but Game doesn’t have jack shit to do with marrying nubile 22 year olds after you hit the mid-century mark; money, power and access to the right (so to speak) social circles do.
To imply otherwise is to feed a collective delusion of every male ego in existence, period.
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Sophie Scruton is a five at best.
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ummmm:
Tout the merits of Game all you like, but if you want this scenario to be your reality, you need cash and power; girls that age wouldn’t otherwise give you the time of day…and you fucking know it.
instead of a pithy response which will likely sail over your head, you can read these posts of mine:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/further-thoughts-on-dating-younger-women/
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/top-two-rules-for-dating-younger-women/
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/the-limits-of-game/
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Sebastian:
for England she’s at least a 6. it’s all relative.
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@roissy:
Post-50, sweet talk and shit-test 20-somethings all you want; unless you’ve got cash, social influence and access to the same kind of social circles the men in your post have, the only girls falling for it are NOT the kind anyone who frequents this blog would want to marry…
As for your post regarding “The Limits of Game”; you mean to tell me that a 90 year old man won’t be able to pull 25 year olds on Game alone?!? Shocking!!! You’d almost think that girls that age are inherently repulsed by the idea of snuggling up to withered, crepey skin and need…oh, i don’t know…a disgusting amount of cash and high social status to compensate for it! Simply revolutionary!!
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Roissy – via the 5/29/07 post
i’m deliberating how much personal stuff i want to put on here. it’d be more interesting to write about specific examples of game from my real life successes and failures with women, but i don’t want a vengeful ex stumbling across this site and making life difficult for me. nor do i want girls i’m currently dating to see this.
Relatively new here, but curious nonetheless… in hindsight, do you think the blog has brought you notoriety in dealing potential women? or more simply, have you ever lost out closing it simply because of the blog?
I know Roosh has a few stories up about it…but, it seems these occurrences make for great(er) fun in general.
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and just to clarify, we’re talking about MARRIAGE. Fucking is another can of worms entirely.
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Re Brimelow, you have to give the guy props not just for bagging a 22 yr old, but also for really staying true to his beliefs.
He seems to be taking the whole racial preservation seriously, and probably plans on taking advantage of his young wife’s fertility and have her knock out a baby every 2 or 3 years or so, furthering his cause of preservation.
And with a name like Lydia Sullivan, with undoubtedly years of home and/or Catholic schooling, she will certainly be obliging.
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Sebastian Flyte – Sophie Scruton is a five at best.
Yes, but meanwhile Roger Scruton is a negative 15.8.
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And in a related topic:
Adam Carolla Breaks Down the ‘Hot Chicks with Douche Bags’ Phenomenon
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Ummmm,
You may want to ready this link posted by
“”””””””””””el chief
this is a telling article:
Teen girls are swapping sex for … just about anything
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090423.lsexweb24/BNStory/lifeFamily/home?cid=al_gam_mostview“”””””””””
To see how easy just getting sex is. It doesn’t take insanely rich.
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@ ummm
Are you trying to discredit the entire theory and purpose of game, as provided by roissy, on the fact that it no longer provides the same benefit to a 60+ guy, as compared to a 30 y/o guy, in acquiring young ass?
gripping.
And that wealth and power are major drivers in female attraction to men?
astute observations.
i guess i don’t get your point in heckling the obvious. is there one?
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I think y’all are disagreeing about much less than you think you are.
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willard:
everything corolla said has been said before, but it’s still fucking brilliant.
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Game could actually help because with the amount of people on the planet. At 90 you would just need to find the woman that doesn’t mind a 90 year old at your station in life. Impossible if you don’t try. If you try probably very possible to find a match to your requirements and hers. Just hard to get out there and find it.
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Sebastian:
Unless she’s the one on the left in that pic she’s not a 5.
Her face is so heavily shadowed in that shot that you can’t tell how she looks but you can see that she’s slender with large non-saggy boobs. How highly you value that is up to you but for most men an average face with that combo (and long hair that is nice) will cause the girl to be a 6 or 7 minimum.
In Thursday’s pic, she’s beautiful.
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@Gunslingergregi:
Emotionally fucked-up teen girls can be gigantic sluts?!? Alert the media!!!
Just to clarify (yet again), I am talking about MARRIAGE; specifically, 50+ men marrying under-25 girls.
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Hell the 90 year old might even find a woman that “loves” him since shit he could probably tell some good stories. Be like the woman who fall in love with the tv.
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I found this link through the Corolla bit:
http://arthurkade.com/
This guy is a hardcore douche. I’m almost certain his website is tongue in cheek, but I’m not sure.
he comes off as a roissy wannabe given they have similar topics. kade just doesn’t have the writing chops.
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ummm
How very Freudian.
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That picture: just beautiful.
I hope to be there when I’m 60.
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Steve, I can’t find a link by thursday to a picture of sophie scruton.
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“The dream of all men is to meet little sluts who are innocent but ready for all forms of depravity—which is what, more or less, all teenage girls are.”
– Michel Houllebecq.
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lol default nailed it.
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thursday:
slumlord’s absolutely right that what matters with girls is who they actually fall for, not who they say they fall for. but certain far-right ideas are like nerdy hobbies — not signals of taboo-busting badboy hotness, but signals of low quality that kill attraction, unless there are a number of other things to compensate for them. i mean, even johnny depp on a date couldn’t get away with saying that blacks do poorly in school because they are an r-selected subspecies or whatever.
roissy:
see, you’re just a big softie at heart. but i’m open to the athena kerry family — her sister guinevere is smoking hot. 8.5 at least.
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Gunslingergregi
[Freudian answer]
No I did not!
😉
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In theory, love is the strongest emotion. But in the actual world I see around me, the strongest emotion by far is fear, and the strongest kind of fear is the fear of looking bad. I feel like, to most people, I am a tool to keep them from looking bad, which I do, in their hands, by living the way they live and acting happy. If I live like them and fail to act happy, I threaten to expose their own life-long unhappiness that they’ve worked so hard to keep hidden from themselves; so they get furious and abuse and threaten me until I act happier. And if I live unlike them, and let on that it’s working, they get murderous. I’m pretty sure that my parents and closer friends wouldn’t kill me, but remember that we’re dealing with the strongest emotion in this world. I think the real reason behind all genocides and systematic mass killings is that some people are living in a way that makes you look bad, and it’s easier to just murder them all than to admit that your whole life has been a giant humiliating mistake, and start over from nothing by Ran Prieur
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Yea you did psychologically he he he
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There’s always the Jewish Question, too.
Good fun for second dates.
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“Tout the merits of Game all you like, but if you want this scenario to be your reality, you need cash and power; girls that age wouldn’t otherwise give you the time of day…and you fucking know it.”
Spoken like a sterling example of the Great American Hagfish.
I used to work with this technician at LBNL. He was not a Ph.D. like Brother Lupo; a working class, former navy technician with no education beyond high school. An artist in his own right, working with steel and aluminum to make beautiful scientific instruments, but also 65, and looked it. White hair, white moustache; hell, he was even shorter than I am, and I’m fairly short. His wife was 30, and she looked damn good. His son was 22 at the time. So, you are wrong; hagfish -game is supreme.
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I thought I should start commenting here, now that I’ve met Roissy in person.
Companionship. When I’m in my 80s I can always go to a meeting for lonely 80 year olds. Besides, all my old lovers can still call me up and come visit me as I lay dying and reminisce about the sexy times we had.
There is no downside to going after fun young women at all times of your life. Most of people’s lives are indeed lived in fear. Even worse, we have had welfare states built around that very concept, treating everyone like a big baby. On top of that, religious and cultural norms constrain us to the lie of monogamy and saddle us with guilt if we try to have fun.
All of us here should be very happy that we no longer suffer from these limitations, and we should take every stop possible to live as sexual a life as possible. Roissy is trying to help us in this.
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Hagfish? hahahahahah
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Willard’s Adam Carolla You Tube link on why hot girls get with douchebag is definitely worth watching for it’s game insights.
Stylin game I guess.
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thomson: slumlord’s absolutely right that what matters with girls is who they actually fall for, not who they say they fall for. but certain far-right ideas are like nerdy hobbies — not signals of taboo-busting badboy hotness, but signals of low quality that kill attraction, unless there are a number of other things to compensate for them. i mean, even johnny depp on a date couldn’t get away with saying that blacks do poorly in school because they are an r-selected subspecies or whatever.
YOU’RE NOT SAYING IT RIGHT!!!
If you start explaining stuff in nerdy academic language, hiding behind neutral PC language broadcasting the idea “you know, this stuff is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN, so you better believe me! it’s not just my insignificant opinion! it’s PROVEN with STUDIES!!!” then it doesn’t matter whether you’re explaining some far right, far left or average lib idea. Even if the woman agrees you’re doomed.
If you’re going to throw un-PC ideas, you got to have the un-PC style to match it. ALL OUT. Go on. Tell them that in race realist theory Africans don’t need to work that much, cuz they can all just doze under the monkeybread tree and wait for food to fall into their mouth. And you know how men are – if SOMEBODY has to work but not EVERYBODY has to, men will find a way to make sure it’s women who do all the work. Then men can concentrate on the most important things in life: fighting and fucking. In Africa they can and in Africa they do. That’s why men in Africa need big dicks and dancing skills but not big brains or a work ethic.
And that’s what the eggheads mean by “r-selection”.
If you can say all that with the right face and the right rhythm, most people will laugh like hell. (I’m not sure what would happen if you tried that in some bar somewhere in Africa but one day I’ll try.) If you used the same face and lectured dryly on r-selection, people would be horrified and would attack you as a terrible racist. It’s funny but that’s how people work. I think I know why but that would be more overlong posting.
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as a good friend of mine has said:
My future wife hasn’t been born yet.
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athena looks a little chubby.
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@Lupo.
Under 25, you fucking moron. Over 50 guys that marry girls under 25.
Learn to read, imbecile…or keep dreaming some fresh-faced 19 year old will want your 68 year old body entirely because of all-powerful GAME, I really don’t give a shit.
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a general theory of human mating
http://novaresources.blogspot.com/2009/04/general-theory-of-human-mating.html
this article is in vain of that of Roger F. Devlin
and Women’s infidelity by michelle langley.
a MUST READ and candidate of a roissy post.
best.
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Splish splash, here’s some GNP in the pool.
Peter
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He only called you hagfish
You could of at least came up with some kind of original swear.
Intead of just being a hagfish again.
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I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade here, but I was one of those girls who slept with high-status older men because their high status turned me on. (Twice — I was 19 and 27 when I dated men two decades older than I was.) I can tell you the ick factor was almost insurmountable — my brain responded to their high status, but I still secretly cringed at their unbeautiful bodies. So I ended up married to a good-looking man my age who wasn’t very high status, but at least he was easy on the eye. And things have been fine ever since.
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metalhaze:
good article.
it makes me wonder about something.
in our modern society, we have two political ideologies, liberal and conservative.
liberals are obviously more for equality which has aided the feminist rise and PC attitudes toward gender roles whereas conservatives are for more traditional gender roles and marriages.
the post posits that marriage is a social institution designed to level the playing field, basically for beta males. this institution was best for society. it keeps men relatively happy, getting laid on occasion and with something to keep them in line.
here’s the disconect between the HBD base that idea rests on (a base that I believe is true btw): if humans are allowed to act according to their inherent nature, something espoused by the race realism and gender realism of conservatism, the institution of marriage is merely a man-made constraint that artificially mucks up human interaction.
if, as liberals seem to favor, marriage as an institution declines, we’ll revert back to our “natural” inclination of alpha with many wives, beta with none leaving a highly skewed playing field, something that liberalism is adamantly opposed to.
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@ummmm
Why are you so angry at the world? Lighten up, sweetie!
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Game trumps money, as long as you specify how much money.
MODERATE competence in Game is worth about $2 Million. The great thing about Game is that no one can tax it, defraud you out of it, hold a loved one at ransom for it, or break into your house to take it.
Moderate competence in Game has been defined by my in the past.
$2 Million. Thus, men who spend long hours in the office hoping to earn that promotion 2 years down the line, only to pay 45% in taxes, are fools. Recognize the value of Game, and set your priorities accordingly.
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Iron/Peter–
ironrailsironweights
Alright, I’ll admit, this time I looked.
I don’t know Peter, she looks quite trimmed. Some might call her’s a landing strip.
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“I’m inclined to roll w/Roissy on this one-if I’m a 50-plus year old guy, and I have the chance to get laid on the regular by a hot babe half my age for just five years, I’d be crazy not to take that deal.”
Indeed. Plus, her market value drops faster over those 5-7 years than his does (his stays relatively unchanged from the original level at the time of marriage). I don’t agree with anony that she would leave him after 5-7 years, as the gap in their market values then is LESS than it is at marriage time.
But the man must have a pre-nup, though. Especially at that age.
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Race Realism as I understand it means that there are measurable differences between races. That different does not equal better or worse, just different. Which is better? An orange or a banana? Depends on what you want to eat right then.
Moreover, the differences are part of natural selection, of which culture and society are a dominant part of the physical environment. After all, when humans control an area, other than micro-organisms, not much dangerous fauna exists which can threaten them. While the social-cultural environment and the demands it requires for various attributes controls it’s selection.
Moreover, race realists will be the first to admit that people can change fairly rapidly under intense sexual-natural selection in cultural-social environments. Harpending and Cochran’s work on Ashkenazi Jews and their selection for high IQ, with attendant increase in auto-immune diseases stands out as one example.
We have lots and lots of records of how the Ancient Egyptians, Hittites, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans viewed the Jews. None of them considered the Jews very smart, rather prideful, mulishly stubborn, plodding, rather dull people is the picture over about 1,200 years of recorded impressions about the Jews up to the Diaspora. That view stays the same through the Byzantine records, and Arab records, through the Dark Ages, and starts to change only around 1300 or so.
Clearly, the Jews were not very smart, but became so under intense selection that had to do with culture far more than climate. After all, NE Asian descended Native Americans lived in cold climates and never climbed out of neolithic tribalism, and Northern Europeans were considered to be stupid savages by the Greeks, Carthaginians, Romans, Persians, and all other civilized people who dealt with them, until about 1000 AD or so.
Liberals clamor for the pre-Western ideal of the Big Man, each hoping to be Xerxes, or failing that a court official. Conservatives desire a return to Western ideals, including a level or fairly level romantic playing field, limits on Big Men harem-building, restriction on female sexuality ESPECIALLY their willingness to share the Big Men with other women, and romantic love which only works when female choice is restricted from Mr. Big.
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“if, as liberals seem to favor, marriage as an institution declines, we’ll revert back to our “natural” inclination of alpha with many wives, beta with none leaving a highly skewed playing field, something that liberalism is adamantly opposed to.”
Don’t forget about 3-D, VR sex and sexbots thrown in the mix.
Also, there is already passive polygamy in the sense that many women go to sperm banks to receive juice. Thus, more babies born now are disproportionately from the top few men who are donors.
I have been a donor myself a few years ago. I have about 10 kids, all with different mothers, and of a similar age. Someday, I might get to meet them. I hope none of their mothers used my juice in a cuckolding arrangement.
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Feminists are so stupid. They see a male colleague or acquaintance who is 40 date women who are 28, and naturally concluded that they, as feminists, can date 28 year old guys when THEY are 40.
Lo and behold, guys they used to reject now do not even notice these 40 year old cougar-aspirants.
Feminists are trying hard to push the cougar lifestyle, except for the fact that most women who want to date younger men will fail miserably at it.
Everything a man can do, they can do, including date younger. That is actually what they think.
Try suggesting to an SWPL woman that in ‘Sex in the City’, those women would not have nearly the same level of interest from men as they do in the show. Nothing you say will get through to them. The only realistic character was Charlotte, who was not only the youngest and prettiest, but also the only woman acutely aware of her aging and resultant decline in fertility. But the SWPLs ignore Charlotte as the only realistic character in SITC, and vicariously fantasize about Carrie and Samantha.
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Clearly, the Jews were not very smart, but became so under intense selection that had to do with culture far more than climate.
As Charles Murray points out, the Ancient Hebrews produced an awful lot of amazing literature. But until Christianity showed up they pretty much kept it all to themselves. Genesis, Exodus, Job, the Psalms. All this is at least as good as Ancient Greek literature and definitely better than the Roman.
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Thursday —
Most of the Bible’s Old Testament is a rehash of various Babylonian sources, including the Flood myth (straight out of the Epic of Gilgamesh), or the story of Genesis, and so on. That’s not surprising, the Jews are considered to be an offshoot of the Babylonians originally.
The Illiad and the Odyssey stack up favorably to the Bible, perhaps even better as a purely literary achievement. The Egyptian, Phoenician, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman myths and legends are as at least if not more impressive than the Bible. Everyone knows Hercules, Apollo, Zeus, Odysseus, Perseus, Icarus, Daedelus, Pegasus, and so on.
The point being is that no one in the Ancient World ever hired Jews to be physicians, healers, builders, generals, or anything requiring much smarts. THOSE jobs were left to Egyptians, Phoenicians, Babylonians, and later Greeks, Carthaginians, and Romans.
What made Jews unique was not their intellect but stubborn-ness, in holding to their monotheism despite being regularly conquered by larger polytheistic empires. Holding to their monotheism even under the shock of Greek culture during the Hellenistic period. [The New Testament is so profoundly Greek and humanisitc that when Christian theologians in the West after the fall of Byzantium got hold of translations of works by the Greek philosophers they were shocked by how “Christian” they were. In reality Christian theology is very Greek.]
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I’m surprised Roissy would be so high on Lydia Brimelow because she kind of has a chubby face (though she does have a svelte figure). Her sister Genevieve is way hotter.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070329064857/www.sullivanbrimelowwedding.com/photosshower.html
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Most of the Bible’s Old Testament is a rehash of various Babylonian sources, including the Flood myth (straight out of the Epic of Gilgamesh), or the story of Genesis, and so on.
You don’t know much about the Bible or the ancient Near East, do you? This is an absolutely ridiculous statement. There are a few, radically reinterpreted Near Eastern motifs in Genesis and a couple more scattered through the Psalms and Job, but Hebrew literature is _radically_ different from other ancient Near Eastern literature.
The New Testament is so profoundly Greek and humanisitc that when Christian theologians in the West after the fall of Byzantium got hold of translations of works by the Greek philosophers they were shocked by how “Christian” they were. In reality Christian theology is very Greek.
The New Testament isn’t very influenced by the Greeks at all, but the Church Fathers were. The Greek philosophers seemed so Christian because the West was viewing Christianity through the Fathers.
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Did you see the story about a wealthy man in Michigan, age 44, who is paying a matchmaking agent $50,000 to find him a suitable wife? Ugh…
That milllionaire has no concept of Game. He could learn Game with 1:1 instruction for much less money than that, and preserve the rest of his wealth from gold-diggers too.
I’m telling ya’ – even moderate competence in Game immediately puts you on par with a $2 Million net worth, on top of the fact that no one can tax, swindle, or extort you out of your Game.
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On a totally unrelated note, there was a post about Feministing blogger Jessica Valenti a few weeks back (the younger guy marrying her was a Beta of the Year contender).
I found some video footage of her. Link below. Um…let’s just say that pic made her look way way better…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30368108#30368108
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/apr/24/feminist-wedding-jessica-valenti
My big feminist wedding
When Jessica Valenti started planning her wedding, she was determined to avoid sexist traditions. But she hadn’t predicted the strength of reaction from family, fellow feminists and the blogger who termed her a ‘ball-cutting cybersuccubus’
One of the first things people ask when they find out that I am engaged is what the proposal was like. (The second is not so much a question, but a speedy grab for my left hand to inspect the diamond they imagine they will find there.)
The problem is that there is no proposal story to tell. At least, not the kind most people expect. There were no rose petals scattered on a satin-sheeted bed, no trips to the Eiffel tower, no ring hidden in a champagne glass. There wasn’t even any kneeling. My partner Andrew and I made the leap in the way that suited us best – we talked about it, and jointly decided that we should get engaged. For us, it was perfect. But, as I soon learned, there is no such thing as perfect when you are a feminist getting married.
Andrew encountered confused faces when he talked about our non-traditional proposal; my extended family looked similarly quizzical when I mentioned that I would be keeping my last name. The fact that Andrew and I had had conversations about the misogynist traditions that accompany marriage made us a bit of an oddity, it seemed. Then there were the fellow feminists who felt that getting married was a sop to the patriarchy, and the problems that we encountered as a couple. Because, with the best will in the world, kissing goodbye to gender roles can be more difficult than it looks.
As a kid, I wasn’t sure that I would ever get married – I was not the kind of little girl who played at being a bride. My parents have a wonderful marriage, but they have been together since my mother was 12, married when they were just teenagers and are barely ever separated. They even work together. As a result, I have always thought of marriage as involving the loss of a certain amount of autonomy. Not to mention that, as feminist as our household was, I grew up seeing my mother do the majority of the domestic work and her paid day job to boot. That did not exactly sweeten the deal.
As I grew up and began identifying myself as a feminist, there were plenty of issues that continued to make me question marriage: the father “giving” the bride away, women taking their husband’s last name, the white dress, the vows promising to “obey” the groom. And that only covers the wedding. Once you get married, women are still implicitly expected to do the majority of the housework and take care of any future children. I remember reading one study that said that even couples who had been living together for years in equitable bliss ended up with a more “traditional” division of household labour if they got married – as though signing that piece of paper somehow skewed their sense of fair play.
But never underestimate the power of being in love. Andrew is fabulous and I want to be married to him – due in no small part to the fact that he also identifies himself as a feminist and that an equal partnership is just as important to him as it is to me. So when we decided to get married, we talked about the traditions to avoid (white dress), what to incorporate (both parents walking us both down the aisle) and, of course, how to plan the wedding.
From the beginning, Andrew and I agreed that we would not be one of those couples in which the woman ends up doing all of the wedding-related work because she is the person who is supposed to care about it the most. No, we were going to do this fairly. He would take care of booking the music, I would handle the flowers. I would cover the invite list, he would deal with the invitations. Several months later, when I found myself up to my eyeballs in sample invitations and band websites – while Andrew read the newspaper or dallied online – I was ready to throw in the towel on so-called domestic bliss.
As founder of the website feministing.com, I have written online about everything from vibrators to the form of birth control I use, but I had been worried about blogging about our engagement. When you address personal issues, especially those so fraught with politics, you are sure to cause a stir. But all of a sudden, touching on the woes of feminist wedding planning did not seem such a bad idea. My feminist friends and community online took the announcement well – with the exception of several commenters who felt my getting married was antithetical tofeminism. One, with the username looselips, wrote that she was disappointed that I “seem to find flaws with patriarchy, but fail to find a way to bring it down”. But mostly there were plenty of congratulations and hundreds of comments from other feminists on the ways their political beliefs had informed their weddings and marriages. EmilyKennedy wrote about her purple wedding dress, lack of a diamond ring and her decision not to have a “crap-tastic white cake”. ShifterCat told of a friend’s wedding where, as a small memento, every guest received “a little scroll saying that a donation has been made in their name to Habitat For Humanity”. Another reader told me about a website – offbeatbride.com – that was a good alternative to the frou-frou sites that seem to dominate the wedding-based blogosphere. This was the kind of advice I was looking for.
Emboldened, I blogged again – this time about the ways I was incorporating feminism into the wedding. I wrote about keeping my last name and buying a not-quite white dress from a store that gives all the money to charity. I blogged about the struggle Andrew and I had getting engaged in the same month that California overturned same-sex marriage rights. We had actually discussed not getting married until everyone could; instead, we decided to use our impending marriage as a way to talk about same-sex marriage among our friends and family. In our engagement announcement, for example, we asked anyone considering getting us a gift to instead donate to an organisation fighting for same-sex marriage rights. It felt good, feminist even, to write about an institution so wrought with sexism and discuss ways to make it our own.
To others, however, the way I was approaching my wedding – questioning old traditions; creating new ones – just made me a bridezilla. Kathryn Lopez of the conservative publication National Review, wrote a post entitled “You’ve Never Met a Bridezilla Like a Feminist Bridezilla”, mocking my attempts to subvert traditional wedding standards. Another blogger wrote about Andrew, featuring his picture and a link to his personal website, in a faux contest – “Beta of the month” – the idea being that a real alpha male wouldn’t be caught dead marrying a feminist. (Or a “ball-cutting cybersuccubus”, as I was, in fact, described. Think I can get that on a business card?)
But as it turned out, it was posts such as these, which mocked us for being thoughtful about our decision to get married, that brought Andrew and I closer. And the dismissing of our feminist values made us discuss and embrace them even more. Andrew took a renewed interest in his wedding-planning tasks, recognising that it wasn’t just important for the sake of my sanity, but as a political statement too.
Because we do want our marriage to be a partnership, with bumps in the road to be sure, but bumps to be taken together.
So, while our wedding will be politicised, it won’t be a feminist caricature: I won’t be sporting Birkenstocks under my dress and we won’t ask the “Goddess” for a blessing. But we will head into the wedding, and the marriage, as equals. Now, when our friends and family give us strange looks when we discuss our non-proposal, or the hyphenated last name options for our future children, we just smile. Because whether it’s an old-fashioned aunt or a stranger online, we realise that the only opinion that matters when it comes to our marriage is ours.
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Days of Broken Arrows
the link I provided is the same woman talking about her feminist wedding and the article even has a link to this blogsite.
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So, because some other guy agrees with your view on the radio show stunt, that makes it right?
Proof by “other guy assertion” roissy?
I can see your point. Christianity proves that there has never been an historical instance in which a large group of people have been completely and utterly duped by fantastical ideas.
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I don’t know if the Kane show skits are fake.. they sound real to me.. but there is no doubt that some radio stations use actors for War of the Roses.
I listened to only two WOTR sketches from the KTU in New York, and both used scripts and actors. It was obvious.
http://www.ktu.com/podcast/waroftheroses.xml
[audio src="http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/NEWYORK-NY/WKTU-FM/WAR%202.mp3" /]
[audio src="http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/NEWYORK-NY/WKTU-FM/BREAST%20BUDDIES.mp3" /]
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Can we nominate someone twice? Maybe a lifetime achiement award?
It sounded like Andrew had brief period of manliness
but the he forgot to take his testosterone injections and
But there is a happy ending:
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Ummmm says, “It’s one thing to rave about the wondrous majesties of Game, but Game doesn’t have jack shit to do with marrying nubile 22 year olds after you hit the mid-century mark; money, power and access to the right (so to speak) social circles do.”
I have to agree on this point. It’s as bad an idea for men to bank on the exceptions as it is for women.
My second ex is 16 years my senior, and I generally prefer older men. However, most of the women trying to get into his pants or his pockets are around his age or maximum 7 years younger, even though he still has all his hair, good skin, and is slim but with a nice butt.
Polishness seems to do good things for a guy in aging well and in the engine.
…but not all men are Polish.
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“As a kid, I wasn’t sure that I would ever get married – I was not the kind of little girl who played at being a bride. My parents have a wonderful marriage, but they have been together since my mother was 12, married when they were just teenagers and are barely ever separated. They even work together. As a result, I have always thought of marriage as involving the loss of a certain amount of autonomy. Not to mention that, as feminist as our household was, I grew up seeing my mother do the majority of the domestic work and her paid day job to boot. That did not exactly sweeten the deal.”
This is the mark of the SWPL stranglehold killing this country. The fact that a little girl, raised of a seemingly decent household, has the comforts available to develop this neurosis called feminism sums up the problem.
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So, while our wedding will be politicised, it won’t be a feminist caricature: I won’t be sporting Birkenstocks under my dress and we won’t ask the “Goddess” for a blessing.
Translation: I’m not one of those crazy feminists. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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more evidence that this form of feminism is emotional masturbation in the face of objective truth:
Andrew and I agreed that we would not be one of those couples in which the woman ends up doing all of the wedding-related work because she is the person who is supposed to care about it the most.
does anyone really believe that men and women place equal value on weddings? do little boys daydream about their wedding day? do guys collect scrapbooks of invitations and china patterns? is there a tv show called groomzilla?
this valenti broad would be funny if it weren’t that so many people buy into this nonsense.
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Ummmm says, “It’s one thing to rave about the wondrous majesties of Game, but Game doesn’t have jack shit to do with marrying nubile 22 year olds after you hit the mid-century mark; money, power and access to the right (so to speak) social circles do.”
Nicole: I have to agree on this point. It’s as bad an idea for men to bank on the exceptions as it is for women.
Which expectations? The ones about still being hot currency at 50 or the ones about having money, power and access to the right social circles once we hit 50?
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ps- Lance’s Rules for Happy Living #whatever:
if a girl refers to you as her ‘partner’ instead of her boyfriend, either correct it or get rid of her.
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Boyfriend doesn’t cut it either. If you are both more than 30 years old it sounds a little pathetic.
Meanwhile, Thursday, and all Taki readers, did yesterday’s Zmirak post let down the side or what?
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does anyone really believe that men and women place equal value on weddings? do little boys daydream about their wedding day?
Plenty of teenage boys used to dream of deflowering their beloved on their wedding night, so they used to actually have something to look forward to on the day. But, as we all know, modern living being what it is, that is all gone by the wayside.
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CZ: I think the North American Church has let down the side. The Church has turned into a pro-immigration monster, and uses shame and emotion instead of logic and doctrine to push their agenda. Zmirak points out that there is nothing necessarily un-Catholic about being anti-immigration.
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Thursday:
I was actually thinking about that last night. It would be nice if it happened.
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@cz:
you may be taking this a bit far. the point is that ‘partner’ is a completely emasculating term, and i mean that in the literal sense. it erases all mention that you are indeed male. any women who dedicates her life to the false proposition that sex and gender are just social constructs is not likely to make a very good wife. likewise, any man who agrees to be so emasculated is not likely to make a very good husband.
it really seems that feminism operates as an elaborate ruse for revealing beta male behavior. if you think about it, it really is quite an ingenious shit test. it allows women to identify their best prospects for a beta provider while spending their teens and twenties getting their fill of alpha cock. the problem is that most women know deep down that it’s bullshit. beta behavior has its uses (emotional tampon, free dinners, ego boosts), but it’s ultimately unfulfilling.
have a conversation about feminsm, or some other ideology of the radical left, with the average girl. if you look closely, you can see the uncertainty in her face. she wants to be challenged. feminist men are lemmings leading themselves off an asexual cliff. i predict a future in which some really cunning feminists devise a way to convince beta males en masse to literally emasculate themselves.
“if you were really committed to social justice you would save the world from the evils of your white patriarchical genes and chemically castrate yourself.”
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@thursday:
i’m not talking about marriage; just the wedding itself.
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Look at Andrew’s face (in Hollywood Hotsauce’s link on Jessica Valenti above). Does he look like the kind of a guy who will put down his foot and say:
– “No Jessica, we’re not donating $15,000 to Feminists for Infanticide this year.”
– “No Gloria-Madison, you will not be taking that Fluffers Without Borders trip to Ghana this summer”
– “No Che-Barack, I will not let you have your testicles surgically removed in solidarity with NAMiLA’s struggle for Man-Infant marriage.”
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You know what, I don’t have a problem w/Valenti’s wedding in the least-obviously, it should go w/o saying that *I* wouldn’t personally go in for such a thing, but hey, it’s her party and she can do what she wanna. Fine.
What I do have a problem with, wrt her and her colleagues, is the very intellectually dishonest way she/they handles issues wrt Game, MRAs and pretty much anyone or anything that deigns to give another POV. Invariably, censorship and the like reigns supreme on her site and many others, something that is virtually nonexistent both here and just about MRA site that I’m aware of. Talk about a prime example test case as to the inherent differences btw Male and Female, that alone should say it all.
I would LOVE to see Valenti, or someone of her caliber from say, Feministe etc, go one on one w/Roissy, in a no holds barred online debate. Put all the issues out there, beginning w/Game-in fact, just to make it even more interesting, I’d like to see Roissy play all Defence against Valenti & Co. Does anyone ever notice that Feminists almost *never* debate?
Hmm…
O
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@Lance,
does anyone really believe that men and women place equal value on weddings?
Yes. When a man desires to marry , why should he not execute it? Should he be passive? When my husband intended to marry, I respected his “job done” attitude.
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Lance:
Many men used to look forward to their wedding day, if not the wedding itself.
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@anony and thursday:
fine, you guys win. men place just as much value on the actual wedding (invitations, ceremony, reception, etc) as women. generally speaking men want weddings as elaborate as women want. and young men fantasize about the day they’ll look down the aisle and see that woman of his dreams floating along on the most fantastically perfect dress. also, up is down, black is white, and david alexander gets more ass than a toilet seat.
did i miss anything?
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the most ridicolous of feminists don’t debate because their points are not based on rationale; they’re based on giving free rein to their emotions and on some perverted sense of what is ‘fair’. ‘fair’ being defined as the sense that a women should have what she feels she deserves regardless of whether she’s done anything to earn it and with little thought to the consequesnces of her actions.
see my above response to anony and thursday for an example.
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Feminists are trying hard to push the cougar lifestyle, except for the fact that most women who want to date younger men will fail miserably at it.
I’ve heard this over and over again, especially from critics of Sex and the City, who assume that the show was inspired by, watched by, or supported by feminists.
It wasn’t. As many others have pointed out, the show was a portrait of women through the eyes of gay men. It seems to have been lapped up by younger women, true, who apparently don’t see its underlying melancholy, and don’t take seriously the various humiliations that Carrie and her gang have to endure. I never saw more than a handful of episodes myself, because I found it too depressing (and I was too busy, anyway).
I don’t know of any feminists who praised it. Most feminists have somewhat leftist political leanings, to say the least, and fiercely disapproved of the consumerism so evident in the habits of the show’s single women. Nor did feminists approve of the way the SATC women apparently spent all their time thinking about men and relationships. What’s more, the Bridget Jones books and films, and the Allie McBeal TV series, also received the same kind of comments from die-hard feminists, especially older ones.
The phenomenon of young women staying single until well into their 30s is rather new, and the older public feminists don’t really have a handle on it at all. The entire Cougar phenomenon is alien territory to them. The younger feminists are not so much creating the trend, as watching it develop around them, and commenting as they go along.
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men place just as much value on the actual wedding (invitations, ceremony, reception, etc) as women.
Can you even fucking read?
Tards to the left of me, tards to the right of me.
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ASDF,
Oh, no, he’s right on the money on immigration –and a lot of other stuff. I was referring to this:
http://www.takimag.com/sniperstower/article/screw_gavin_mcinnes_literally/
Which was his comment on this:
http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/fcuk_single_mothers_figuratively/
Er, actually, I think it’s been deleted. As you might tell from the URL’s, he was a bit critical of McInnes’ article.
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Lance,
Not following you. This is my view.
If ‘partner’, then correct or dump; [here we agree]
If ‘boyfriend’, the correct or dump (or rapidly upgrade to fiance) [what say you?]
If ‘my man,’ ‘him,’ ‘my guy’ or variants, keep.
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Lance,
Tru dat wrt Feminists’ inherent inability to debate. Tru dat.
O
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Plenty of teenage boys used to dream of deflowering their beloved on their wedding night, so they used to actually have something to look forward to on the day.
That dream was about the honeymoon, not the wedding. Not a single one of ’em gave any thought whatsoever to the ceremony itself.
When a man desires to marry , why should he not execute it? Should he be passive? When my husband intended to marry, I respected his “job done” attitude.
Yeah, but the job, in his mind, was not about him. It was about making YOU happy. He is not actively taking charge of the situation for his own sake, but for yours. Hopefully he takes such an “active” approach in other contexts as well. =)
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CZ: Yeah, the counterpoint article doesn’t show up. I guess they’re trying to keep in-fighting to a minimum. McInnes argues that single mothers should not be allowed to have kids. So I guess that leaves abortion or state confiscation as solutions, both things which with Zmirak would presumably have a problem.
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“Under 25, you fucking moron. Over 50 guys that marry girls under 25. “
Do the math, fucktard: they had been married for years. When he was 51, she was 16.
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Again, a 50 year old man getting a 23-year-old woman is extremely rare.
A 50 year old man getting a woman of, say, 33, not so much.
A half-plus-eight rule works well as a lower bound for what age of woman a decent man can aspire to get. 30 can get 23, 40 can get 28, 50 can get 33, etc. But don’t expect to go lower.
Also, while fucking a 22 year old would be good for Peter Brimelow, aside from fucking, a man won’t really have anything in common with a woman so much younger. There has to be some basis for the relationship in that area too.
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el chief: this is entirely unrelated, but is super hot nonetheless http://suicidegirls.com/members/Missy/albums/site/13576/
Wanna build a time machine and fast forward 20 years into the future, when their wombs are shutting down and they are heading into menopause, and place a bet as to what the total fertility rate of that group of chicks will prove to have been?
I’m guessing somewhere in the vicinity of 0.8 to 1.2.
And people wonder why the civilized world is going extinct…
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