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Text Message Of Dire Portent

April 27, 2009 by CH

Checking in from Mexifornia, Zeets sent me this text message over the weekend:

If the denizens of the boardwalk at santa monica beach are any indication — ca is fucked.

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  1. on April 27, 2009 at 10:32 am Jake Bronson

    CA and the country is fucked anyway. Tho hoards just can’t be repelled. Not that we really tried to repel them…

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  2. on April 27, 2009 at 10:33 am Jake Bronson

    BTW Roissey, you and your minions really rocked that whore’s world yesterday. She doesn’t know which end is up. We should out her.

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  3. on April 27, 2009 at 12:31 pm Firepower

    such a cryptic text – very “croatoan” like

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  4. on April 27, 2009 at 12:35 pm biktopia

    The girls here are making the same impression for guys as the feminized boys for us, they are totally doable, they are not to old, not fat and we can look beyond a silly mustache, like you claim to be able to look beyond a thick layer of crayon.

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  5. on April 27, 2009 at 12:39 pm biktopia

    Oh dear wrong!

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  6. on April 27, 2009 at 1:09 pm Lucius Vorenus

    You think it’s bad now – just wait another few weeks for Captain Trips to arrive and they all start coughing up blood in your face.

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  7. on April 27, 2009 at 1:46 pm Kick a Bitch

    lol, fuck CA… i wouldn’t even being to rationalize living there.

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  8. on April 27, 2009 at 2:50 pm The G Manifesto

    “If the denizens of the boardwalk at santa monica beach are any indication – ca is fucked.”

    Its been the same way for as long as I can remember.

    That is not the problem.

    Anti-smoking and anti-drinking laws are.

    – MPM

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  9. on April 27, 2009 at 2:53 pm ScotchFiend

    Yeah, but how old are you G?

    Are you over 45?

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  10. on April 27, 2009 at 2:55 pm roissy

    jake:
    BTW Roissey, you and your minions really rocked that whore’s world yesterday.

    i moseyed on over there to catch up on the fallout. kick a bitch’s comments put a smile on my face. horsetail plug!

    She doesn’t know which end is up. We should out her.

    nah. that she is yoked to a beta chump and unloved by her cock parade is punishment enough.

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  11. on April 27, 2009 at 3:44 pm Lucius Vorenus

    The G Manifesto: Its been the same way for as long as I can remember.

    ScotchFiend: Yeah, but how old are you G?

    Have you guys ever seen Vertigo? Do you have any idea what they were doing at the Skunk Works in the 1950s & 1960s? Watch The Endless Summer and then scroll through a page like this one and just try to tell me that growing up as a kid in Eisenhower-era California must not have been heaven on earth.

    Heck, even if you fast-forward through the beach music scene of the 1960s and head out towards the era of Bullitt, Dirty Harry, The Rockford Files, and the Eagles, I bet that California was still just a wonderful, wonderful place to live.

    I can vaguely remember the California of the 1980s, and it sure did look like The Gipper was having the time of his life up at Rancho del Cielo.

    Personally, I’d be happy if I could shake Fess Parker‘s hand before he dies – they just don’t make ’em like that anymore.

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  12. on April 27, 2009 at 3:56 pm kurt9

    I lived in SoCal during the late 80’s. It was still good and there were many hotties on the beaches (my favorites were Malibu and “free” Zuma). The 80’s was good. I lived in Thousand Oaks (T.O.). It really did look like the movies. You go into a restaurant or even the mall and there were many drop dead beautiful women (and good looking guys) all around you. Most of the women in their 30’s and 40’s were of the MILF kind.

    Today its all different. There are a lot fewer “white” people and the non-whites that have replaced them are generally not as physically attractive. There seem to be far fewer clubs, and the ones that remain are all concentrated in Hollywood to West Hollywood area (many of these are better than your 80’s style clubs). Generally, however, SoCal is no longer the bodacious babe land.

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  13. on April 27, 2009 at 3:57 pm whiskey

    California WAS a Paradise. It started to go wrong in the mid 1980’s when Illegal Immigration became a tidal wave.

    Coupled with Clinton’s 1993 gutting of Defense Spending and closing down SoCal’s Aerospace industry for good, most Middle Class Whites could not afford to live in California any more. Certainly not along the beach where the weather is good. The few that stayed went to horrible places in the Summer: Temecula, Riverside, San Bernadino, Antelope Valley, etc.

    Heat about 110 or so, and very smoggy.

    Meanwhile the Venice/Santa Monica Boardwalk is totally Ganged out. Various Mexican gangs, cholas, MS-13, with the obligatory barely hanging on Black gangstas, and smattering of trendoid hipsters.

    Newport Beach is better, but go north to Huntington and it’s nearly the same thing, south to Laguna and it’s Gay or rich spoiled brat (the various MTV reality chicks all hailed from there). Girls 17 going on 40, and various plastic surgery disasters filled with collagen bee stung fish lips and pulled back faces.

    Critically, there are no families around. One thing a bunch of families do is indicate the presence of safety and security. This makes women more relaxed and open to approach, since the surroundings cue that there are plenty of folks to help them (fathers generally don’t tolerate harassment of people) if they get into trouble, unlike urban/edgy environments particularly such as Santa Monica, Venice, Melrose, etc.

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  14. on April 27, 2009 at 3:58 pm Thrasymachus

    I graduated from UCLA in 1983. It was then maye 85% white, 10% Asian, and 5% other. And, yes, the Beach Boys were right, the cutest girls in the world. Walking across campus you would see dozens of 9s and hundreds of 8s, many blonde.

    I was getting a new passport in West LA a few years ago, went in early, and was told to come back in the afternoon to pick it up. So I decided to make a nostalgic visit to the past. I do not think I saw one student with blond hair. The black and Hispanic percentage, very low, appeared unchanged. And surprisingly not many more Asians. I saw one girl who was visibly an Ashkenazi Jew.

    The vast majority of students looked to me like Sephardic Jews, dark Mediterranean Caucasians. In retrospect I think most were what Steve Sailer calls West Asians, Iranian or Azerbaijani.

    California is just not a Caucasian place anymore. It has Hispanic underclass/working class and a business/upper class composed of non-Europeans. I don’t think having a population mainly from rough, non-democratic places is good for the social climate.

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  15. on April 27, 2009 at 4:21 pm Jorge

    You guys are all nuts – firstly, UCLA is overwhelmingly Asian – way more than 10%, probably over 60%, and many of those “whites” in the 80’s were Jews anyways, as is the case in all the elite unis.

    Yes, Cali is less white than it was but no less than any other major American urban landscape – New York, which still has gazillions of hot white girls walking the streets, strikes the first time visitor as truly inundated with non-whites.

    I’m not saying Cali isn’t fucked – but no more than any other part of America.

    SoCal still has gazilions of hot girls – interestingly, whatever magnetic pull led to the overloading of white beauties in SoCal now draws the hotties of all races – the Asians there are hotter than elswhere in the country, the Persians there are hotter than elswhere, and the whites are still hotter than elswhere in the country (maybe not NY).

    And blonds are the less hot variety of white girl anyway, so no great loss there.

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  16. on April 27, 2009 at 4:23 pm The G Manifesto

    ScotchFiend

    “Are you over 45?”

    No.

    A decade plus younger.

    What made you think that?

    – MPM

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  17. on April 27, 2009 at 4:24 pm ScotchFiend

    Well said Lucius.

    To detail the implications of my question to G, California has radically changed demographically over the last 60 years, particularly since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

    You can view the historical ethnic demographics for the US, including California at the US Census Bureau in Excel or PDF files.

    The results for California (through 1990) indicate (hopefully the table will be readable):

    Year %White %Black % non-Hispanic White
    ==== ====== ====== ====================
    1940 95.50 1.8 89.49
    1950 93.66 4.4 N/A
    1960 91.97 5.6 N/A
    1970 89.01 7.0 N/A but 76.27 from 15% sample, 78.00 from 5% sample
    1980 76.18 7.7 66.60
    1990 68.97 7.4 57.22

    2006 59.8 6.2 43

    The last line comes from the 2006 ACS Estimates according to Wikipedia.

    So there have been large and rapid changes to ethnic demographics in California (no surprise).

    Our traitorous elites would like to Californicate the rest of the country the same way if they can get away with it.

    We shouldn’t let them.

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  18. on April 27, 2009 at 4:26 pm The G Manifesto

    Thursday,

    “Meanwhile the Venice/Santa Monica Boardwalk is totally Ganged out.”

    Don’t forget the V-13 and Venice Shoreline Crips.

    – MPM

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  19. on April 27, 2009 at 4:32 pm ScotchFiend

    @G

    My point was that if you were a young man, you wouldn’t have been alive to witness the full scope of the demographic changes in California. You’ve only witnessed the latest incremental step in our out-of-control immigration, which might not look that radical if seen from the perspective of, say, ten years (although I’ve actually seen many natives report how much worse it has gotten over the last 10 years.

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  20. on April 27, 2009 at 4:58 pm Lucius Vorenus

    Read this page or this page or this page and think about what has happened to California since that time and then try to tell me that you don’t want to just break down and cry like a little girl.

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  21. on April 27, 2009 at 4:59 pm gig

    The US should declare its secession from California. Then reconquer it 10 years from now, when it would have become a Mad Max playground.

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  22. on April 27, 2009 at 5:01 pm m

    It’s simple really. It’s primarily White Women who are brainwashed by Feminism. Thereofre, the future doesn’t belong to White Women. They’ve purposely chosen to HATE WHITE MEN and be biological dead ends. End Game.

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  23. on April 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm roissy

    G:
    Don’t forget the V-13 and Venice Shoreline Crips.

    it’s all fun and games until the law-abiding productive class is tapped out.

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  24. on April 27, 2009 at 5:14 pm The G Manifesto

    ScotchFiend

    @G

    “My point was that if you were a young man, you wouldn’t have been alive to witness the full scope of the demographic changes in California”

    I got you.

    Yeah, I have based myself out of Southern California, for a little over 20 years.

    Lots of changes.

    But in that span, the boardwalk in Santa Monica, seems the same to me.

    In fact, the beaches if anything seem “nicer” and have lost a lot of character.

    – MPM

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  25. on April 27, 2009 at 5:59 pm Challenge

    I live in Los Angeles.

    It is true that the place is about 60% white. Most beautiful white people have all left for San Diego or San Fran or Boston or Portland. However, of the replacements, very few are Mexican. Frankly, Mexicans are invisible and stick to themselves. Instead, welcome the Iranian, Persian, Thai, Armenian, Indian and Middle/South American women.

    California still has high standards of beauty. A 10 elsewhere is a 9 here. Hell, a 10 in DC is an 8 here. Party girls who arrive are stilled pressured to join a gym and settle for fewer drinks thrust into their laps.

    Note that these women of other cultures have different attitudes towards sex and dating. My Thai girlfriend gains at least 1 pt for her lack of inhibitions around sex. Persians lose 3 points for their extreme inhibitions (don’t think they’re being coy; the closer they are to being FOB, the more they use sex as a weapon).

    The white people are crowded into certain areas in Hollywood and SF Valley, yet SF Valley remains “uncool” for class reasons (laborers and white trash live there) and so the 9’s and 10’s avoid it unless they’re shopping. For some reason this makes 8’s easier to pick up in the valley.

    One of the reasons LA has declined is due to the influx of wannabe PUAs. These are the men that hide their fear behind giving too much unsolicited advice, “manly” physical gestures, telling unnecessary stories, and rabidly pursuing women. They are everywhere. They get women, but no more than an i-banker in NYC does; they fill a certain role, and beautiful women are attracted and ultimately use these men for a thrill, the same way they would use a man of money on the east coast. These wannabe PUAs do all the work for the women – take them out and handle all the logistics. The result is that more women know the female equivalent to game in LA than anywhere else, barely edging out NYC. The trick to gaming women in LA is now more than ever to make them chase you; to have friends more beautiful and fun than they are, rather than any attempt to talk your way into her pants. Don’t try to show her a good time; make her come to you. Don’t ever take a girl on a traditional date – she will use you as her emotional tampon (Ryan, I wish you were reading this. Bridgette wants aloof Brett, not you, but likes your money and attention).

    The cougars here more vicious and more deluded. They are ridiculously easy and still bangable. They are, for some reason, more shocked when you don’t call them back. I guess the hotter they are, the harder they fall on your cock.

    It’s still an interesting place. It’s just no longer “easy pickings” for 9s and 10s unless the girl has just arrived and is looking to make it as an actress/model (still 75,000 women a year).

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  26. on April 27, 2009 at 6:19 pm David Alexander

    Coupled with Clinton’s 1993 gutting of Defense Spending and closing down SoCal’s Aerospace industry for good

    So, the Cold War finishes, and we’re supposed to keep blowing our money on expensive aerospace defence systems we don’t need just to keep people employed?

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  27. on April 27, 2009 at 6:25 pm Virgin@40

    See, it is a pitty what you fucking Americans have done to California, it really is. You chosed to fuck up your country, that’s a right you have.

    I just find it too unfortunate because not so long ago, America was a place of hope, nowadays it really does not atract me. It is futile, cheap, expensive… big but low…
    Look what you’ve done to your symbols:
    California/Los Angeles
    New York
    Miami

    look what you’re doing to Texas!

    And what really fucks me is the power you have to fuck things up in Europe. I can’t be nice in Lisbon, Madrid, London… why do I have to dig non white scum here, who were not born here and that push us all down to a lower common denominator? Why can’t you cease to be fashionable America?

    Last Friday I went out. Nice night. I, in the company of a friend, almost closed with a chick, an 18 years old bartender, she told me a lot about her life and looked interested; she was a seven (despite a majority of my friends had putted her in the 6~5 category). Do you know why I had to leave the girls???

    Because one far leftist thug, with girls who were white but hell, didn’t acted as white at all, who said: I will beat one of those kids.
    We got envolved in a fight, one of my friends bleeding from his nose. Pretty. The girl I almost closed and her friend were now fucking curious and I had to leave her because that thug had called his fucking gang to get us.

    Some kms later there was the police, getting five or six black males in. Then, half came to us asking us money, cigarettes and stealing the food we had just bought.
    Then, a coupple kms later, the police went through with some of the black males in their cars to the police station. We, like crazy people aplauded the police. Yes, I aplauded the police of my Nation because they had protected our streets from the threath of foreign bastards. The result? We were almost killed by a gang of black males afterwards.

    Fuck, destroy fucking America, but leave Europe alone!

    Fuck, when I went home I find my neighbour who cannot speak my language, is illegal and does not work, he was hurted and this was the dialogue:
    Me – So, you’re already getting yourself in trouble, fighting up against people.
    Romanian Gypsy – Yes. A fuckeen nigri, they ar craazi…

    Fuck! Destroy yourself! Leave us alone!
    P.S. Have you seen the video of the French boy beaten in the bus by enrinching immigrants? Fuck!

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  28. on April 27, 2009 at 6:32 pm PA

    Fuck, destroy fucking America, but leave Europe alone!

    America, the other evil empire.

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  29. on April 27, 2009 at 7:01 pm sestamibi

    “It is futile, cheap, expensive… ”

    How can it be cheap and expensive at the same time??

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  30. on April 27, 2009 at 7:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Virgin did you throw some punches?

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  31. on April 27, 2009 at 7:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Brings me to an analogy. I grew up in mountains for part of my life no one I knew was ever scared of dogs. After all we were the dogs master. Sure a dog could bite me. But I as a boy could take a dog and tear its balls off. I could also break its legs and proceed to stomp its guts out. So why fear dogs.

    When I moved to the city. Everyone was scared of dogs.

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  32. on April 27, 2009 at 7:45 pm joel

    California is finished because of giving the vote to women. Simple.

    They don’t really believe in protecting borders. Always hoping for another male to make them an offer.

    It ain’t complicated.

    Of interest, Rain Pryor (one of Richard’s kids, illegit, mixed race, f*ked up in the head, two suicide attempts growing up, married to white guy, divorces white guy, marries black guy nursing student, after having his child [Lotus, I believe]) moved to Baltimore from L.A. Says she loves Balto, it being so black. L.A. wasn’t black enough for her. Interesting. Imagine a public celebrity saying Balto wasn’t white enough for them.

    Anyway, CA used to be a magnet for Americans. Now they flee it. This should call for introspection and a change in policy, but, it won’t. Well, let the Mexicans pay off the debt. It will be fun seeing if the aging Anglos on state pensions get the Mexicans to tax themselves to support them, especially if they (Anglos) move out of state to avoid CA taxes, like retired NY State teachers do. Stay tuned. CA is our futuro.

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  33. on April 27, 2009 at 7:52 pm PA

    Middle class people who are upper-middle-class wannabes are not much less culpable.

    Just the other day on the train I overheard a fit-looking, 40-something conservative-looking guy crowing about how a crew of 5 illegals (I inferred their illegality from things he was saying) painted his fucking house for a couple of hundred bucks and what a great job they did.

    I paint my own house. That scumbag does not paint his. That’s part of the problem.

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  34. on April 27, 2009 at 7:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’m cool with the us going mexican. White men can’t jump that chic was hot. Or was she puerto rican.

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  35. on April 27, 2009 at 8:19 pm Obsidian

    In light of the current discussion, you might want to check out this week’s installment of We Shall Remain, a documentary series of the American Indian Experience, told from their perspective. Last week they convered Tecumseh; this week, they’re convering the Trail of Tears incident, and how, for all their hard work to be “civilized” the Cherokees still wasn’t good enough for White folks. Sounds eerily familiar, from my standpoint.

    Hmm…

    O

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  36. on April 27, 2009 at 8:33 pm Welmer

    Obsidian

    In light of the current discussion, you might want to check out this week’s installment of We Shall Remain, a documentary series of the American Indian Experience, told from their perspective. Last week they convered Tecumseh; this week, they’re convering the Trail of Tears incident, and how, for all their hard work to be “civilized” the Cherokees still wasn’t good enough for White folks. Sounds eerily familiar, from my standpoint.

    Hmm…

    O

    Hey O,

    the Cherokee kept fighting on the wrong side. They were losers in three straight wars. What do you expect?

    Read the history (instead of watching TV) and you’ll see what I mean.

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  37. on April 27, 2009 at 8:38 pm Obsidian

    Welmer,
    I hold no illusions about the ideological purity of PBS, just like I hold no such illusions about the same wrt Fox News; that said, I think useful info can be gleaned from the series, which is why I watch PBS and, Fox btw.

    Having said all that, have you watched the series? I would love to discuss it with you, since you seem to know a bit about the history.

    Do you deny my central point-that, for all their efforts at “civilizing” themselves, the Cherokee still found themselves not as good as Whites-and hence, the Trail of Tears? Do you disagree? And if so, where and in what way?

    Let’s have a dialogue, so that we all may learn, together, hmm?

    But first, you have to watch the series…

    O

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  38. on April 27, 2009 at 8:43 pm joel

    About the Indians getting shafted:

    It wasn’t that they weren’t good enough. They were different, lived in their own social setting (tribe), and occupied nice land. They tended not to generate money from their economic pursuits. The result was predictable. In Europe, they would just have all been killed off. The Europeans colonizers in Africa did a lot of the same thing, for the same reasons.

    Plenty of Indians did integrate into European society in North America, but that was a very hard process for them. Here in Maryland I meet plenty of people who have some Indian ancestry. They essentially had to intermarry and lose their old cultural identities, including their language, religion, concepts of property, and role of men in society. There are very few accounts of adult male Indians going “European” while there are plenty of accounts of Europeans going “Indian.” We civilized men don’t realize how much we lose by being civilized, and just how difficult it is to be civilized. A great quote from an Eskimo (excuse me, an Inuit) to a white anthropologist studying their social structure: “I would never want to be a white man. All white men have bosses. I am an Eskimo. Nobody tells me what to do.”

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  39. on April 27, 2009 at 8:51 pm Wounded Animal

    Gunslinger,

    The chicks on Univision have a lot of European-Spanish blood. The five foot tall, thick-waisted, barely literate Aztecs, not so much.

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  40. on April 27, 2009 at 8:54 pm Obsidian

    Joel,
    Thanks for your input. The series tonight centers on the Ridges, a prominent Cherokee family who intergrated and assimilated in every conceivable way into White Anglo society, including religion, eating habits, intermarriage, style of dress, you name it, and still, they got as you put it, the shaft. Jackson, the POTUS at the time, saw to that.

    My point is that every so often, there will be White folks who will try to make the case, that the reason why so and so aint gettin ahead is because they aint assimilatin’ enough. I call Bullshit and piss on that weakassed argument. Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results. And that’s putting it kindly.

    O

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  41. on April 27, 2009 at 8:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    It is cute you bringing up indians again obsid but not gonna be discussed. Its past the present is more fun.

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  42. on April 27, 2009 at 8:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    We have new present day indians. It is great.

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  43. on April 27, 2009 at 9:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Tood could tell you all about it. They are doing well.

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  44. on April 27, 2009 at 9:01 pm Obsidian

    Nice try to whitewash history Gunny. But no dice.

    Wherever you go, there you are, my friend. You either deal with it, or it deals with you…

    O

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  45. on April 27, 2009 at 9:01 pm Wounded Animal

    Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results. And that’s putting it kindly.

    My heart bleeds. Luckily there are plenty of majority non-White societies you can relocate to: Detroit, Compton, Newark, Zimbabwe, Liberia …

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  46. on April 27, 2009 at 9:03 pm Mark in Ark

    US citizens elected Obama, so replace them all with whatever 3rd world garbage washes ashore, they’ll be better than the blacks and black-loving slime.

    Open borders. Whether you want them or not. Sweet!

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  47. on April 27, 2009 at 9:04 pm Wounded Animal

    Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results. And that’s putting it kindly.

    How are the Hindus and Orientals doing? For that matter, I suppose you can tell us about all the mestizo construction workers who have been unable to earn a living in the US.

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  48. on April 27, 2009 at 9:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Naaa there are places where you don’t have to deal with minorities. You can just be a minority and deal with majorities. I may hit india too check that place out.

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  49. on April 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm Lucius Vorenus

    Challenge: I live in Los Angeles. It is true that the place is about 60% white.

    You are out of your fucking mind if you think LA is anywhere near 60% white.

    You’re laboring under the misimpression that just because 60% of the people you see in the Brentwood Starbucks are SWPL walking zombies like yourself, then 60% of the rest of the people in LA must be exactly the same.

    DUDE: In the entire state of California, white children are only 28.7% of the student enrollment – BE FOR FUCKING REAL!!!

    You have no earthly idea just how dead you are – you’re not a ghost – heck, you’re not even a future archaeological find – because that would presuppose any inhabitants of some future Mexifornia intelligent enough to function as archaeologists.

    You’re less than the dust of Donny Kerabatsos’s ashes on the Big Lebowski’s beard.

    You’re not even an afterthought in the larger panoply of dysgenic horror which awaits your accursed homeland.

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  50. on April 27, 2009 at 9:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    Let in 300 million chinese I don’t have a problem with it.

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  51. on April 27, 2009 at 9:09 pm ATC

    Oh, knock it off. SWPLs always go on and on about how eager they are to move to “East Diverse Los Vibrant Angeles.”

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  52. on April 27, 2009 at 9:10 pm Lucius Vorenus

    28.7% should be 28.5%

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  53. on April 27, 2009 at 9:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea really though I look at the wages that the people working here make. No big deal really. It will being families closer together. A family that works together stays together. I am not seeing downside to what we look at now. Even if wages go down to 60 bucks a month. If you can get 10 members of your family contributing something then you can still buy some land and feed them all. Its beautiful really.

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  54. on April 27, 2009 at 9:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””””on April 27, 2009 at 9:04 pm Wounded Animal
    Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results. And that’s putting it kindly.

    How are the Hindus and Orientals doing? For that matter, I suppose you can tell us about all the mestizo construction workers who have been unable to earn a living in the US.”””””””””””””””

    Don’t get me started on indian “hindus” These people rock. They chip in buy a subway. Buy a hotel. They own you fool.

    Then they become like tood and only hire there own help there own. It is fucking awesome.

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  55. on April 27, 2009 at 9:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    I totally respect a lot of races. I in fact want to base my own family on there culture. It is an unbeatable force for any scenario that plays out.

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  56. on April 27, 2009 at 9:16 pm Obsidian

    Wounded,
    Actually, its the other way around, since you White folks have a penchant for pulling up stakes as soon as you see a Black face in the place; I hear Ireland is very nice this time of year-cheap airfare rates, too. Hey, knock down a Guinny stout for me, will ya? 😉

    As for how the Hindus and “Orientals” are doing-dont you know? Or do you avoid them, too?

    O

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  57. on April 27, 2009 at 9:19 pm Welmer

    Obsidian

    Welmer,
    I hold no illusions about the ideological purity of PBS, just like I hold no such illusions about the same wrt Fox News; that said, I think useful info can be gleaned from the series, which is why I watch PBS and, Fox btw.

    Having said all that, have you watched the series? I would love to discuss it with you, since you seem to know a bit about the history.

    Do you deny my central point-that, for all their efforts at “civilizing” themselves, the Cherokee still found themselves not as good as Whites-and hence, the Trail of Tears? Do you disagree? And if so, where and in what way?

    Let’s have a dialogue, so that we all may learn, together, hmm?

    But first, you have to watch the series…

    O

    Actually, I’m sure I’d enjoy the series. Not sure when it plays, though.

    As for the Cherokee, I have plenty of respect for them, but the fact is that they consistently fought on the losing side of wars. That’s really what got them screwed. I don’t blame them for it, but it isn’t so much racism that did them in as bad judgment, and, more importantly, bad luck.

    My grandfather was an Indian historian, and wrote several books about the Creek and Cherokee. I am fascinated by their history, and honor the people. They are very much a part of my own heritage. In all likelihood, some of that blood flows in my veins, and I am far from ashamed of that.

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  58. on April 27, 2009 at 9:21 pm Wounded Animal

    As for how the Hindus and “Orientals” are doing-dont you know? Or do you avoid them, too?

    They do fine. They work harder and they’re a hell of a lot smarter than you.

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  59. on April 27, 2009 at 9:23 pm Obsidian

    Wounded,
    Well, assuming what you said was true, why do you care in any event? You don’t live among or with Black folks. Why don’t simply do what so many White folks do and pretend like we don’t exist? Why all the handwringing and whatnot? What is up with that?

    O

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  60. on April 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm Obsidian

    Welmer,
    As I told Roissy a few weeks back, I’m not out to make Indians automatically good and Whites automatically bad. My point here, is to simply note that those who try to argue that “assimilation” is the panacea to all one’s problems, is simply not so.

    O

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  61. on April 27, 2009 at 9:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I mean like the arabs in nyc man they are cool as hell. They work and they play hard back in there own country. Then they come back and work hard. Man they rock.

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  62. on April 27, 2009 at 9:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Asians in pa man they work hard and they play hard. They like to get business and send there kids to good schools. Man they rock.

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  63. on April 27, 2009 at 9:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    Indians all up and down the east coast buying up shit. Got to give them credit where it is due.

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  64. on April 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    From what I hear of mexicans they apparently do work there assess off. I do hear they tend to take over places once they get a foothold but hey teamwork cannot be stopped. Give em some credit.

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  65. on April 27, 2009 at 9:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    I love the chinese resteraunts seriously one in texas all you can eat crab legs. Good stuff ex wife used to crack the shells by the plate full so I could eat the shit. Because cracking shells on crab is beneath me. lol

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  66. on April 27, 2009 at 10:04 pm Tupac Chopra

    Ob:

    I call Bullshit and piss on that weakassed argument. Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results.

    Come to Miami sometime,

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  67. on April 27, 2009 at 10:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Lincoln road tupac. Jyeeeeaaaaa cool place hot woman.

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  68. on April 27, 2009 at 10:07 pm richard mcbeef

    About UCLA, here are some pics:
    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=ucla+girl

    Gunslinger, you’re sort of missing the point. We all like cheap roofing and cheap takeout, but it comes with a price – the children of these immigrants are dumb, resentful, net tax-eating gangbangers. You have to live with them, not just get cheap labor from them. Even the model minorities who don’t go for gangster shit are still resentful and tend to push politics in a leftist direction, and they take up good slots in professional programs, not because they’re so smart, but because their dads beat them with bamboo rod if they no get A.

    Is it really worth it?

    Yeah, I give them credit for their achievements. That doesn’t mean I want millions of them in my country.

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  69. on April 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””richard mcbeef,
    because their dads beat them with bamboo rod if they no get A.”””””””””””

    You ain’t bullshittin. My phillipine friend said he got hung up in a sack and beat with the bamboo by relatives. Hardcore shit.

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  70. on April 27, 2009 at 10:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’m just pretty much saying families gonna have to band together to make it through this shit. All that moving for career shit is the past.

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  71. on April 27, 2009 at 10:20 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gunny:

    From what I hear of mexicans they apparently do work there assess off. I do hear they tend to take over places once they get a foothold but hey teamwork cannot be stopped. Give em some credit.

    You must have them confused with Cubans.

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  72. on April 27, 2009 at 11:30 pm DT

    “Meanwhile the Venice/Santa Monica Boardwalk is totally Ganged out. Various Mexican gangs, cholas, MS-13, with the obligatory barely hanging on Black gangstas, and smattering of trendoid hipsters.

    Newport Beach is better, but go north to Huntington and it’s nearly the same thing, south to Laguna and it’s Gay or rich spoiled brat (the various MTV reality chicks all hailed from there).”

    Huntington Beach may seem that way on a busy summer weekend or holiday, but it’s not that way when the tourists go home. Which is to say the locals are not ganged out, at least not yet. I’ve never feared for my safety at the beaches in Huntington or at the pier. Heck, during the off season I’ve walked the beach from the pier to Seapoint Ave and back, late at night, without the slightest concern. The cops and lifeguards don’t even bother enforcing the curfew during the fall and winter. They don’t expect trouble from the locals.

    Belmont shore pier however…that’s another story.

    You nailed Laguna.

    None of this means CA isn’t fucked. It is. I love the beaches and the weather but for a while I’ve had this sinking feeling that I simply can’t stay much longer. Between the government and the reckless immigration I can’t picture myself living here in another 5 or 10 years.

    “Critically, there are no families around.”

    Families do not form easily in this environment, unless we’re talking about illegal immigrant families living in shacks. Steve Sailor would no doubt point out that CA is one of the worst areas for affordable family formation. I would agree.

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  73. on April 27, 2009 at 11:37 pm Welmer

    Gunslingergregi

    From what I hear of mexicans they apparently do work there assess off. I do hear they tend to take over places once they get a foothold but hey teamwork cannot be stopped. Give em some credit.

    There is a very simple reason the Mexicans work hard:

    Why illegal Aliens Work Harder than Americans

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  74. on April 27, 2009 at 11:47 pm Welmer

    Obsidian

    Welmer,
    As I told Roissy a few weeks back, I’m not out to make Indians automatically good and Whites automatically bad. My point here, is to simply note that those who try to argue that “assimilation” is the panacea to all one’s problems, is simply not so.

    O

    Hey, I’m not all for assimilation. In a lot of cases it sucks, badly. But have you ever stopped to think that before the Indians were chased out or assimilated there were a whole lot of white people who faced the same in Europe?

    It may look racial in the US, but the truth is that the process had been going on for a long time before anyone ever knew a thing about Africa or the Indians.

    How many Irish speak Irish today, for example? How many original Prussians are left? Where are the Gauls? How about the Picts? The list goes on and on, and the Indians are far from the only victims.

    In fact, the very black Bantus did the same thing to countless African tribes, and the Chinese to countless Asians. C’est la vie. My non-English heritage lives on in hidden ways, just like yours does, but you’d probably never imagine it, because my skin is white.

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  75. on April 27, 2009 at 11:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    I guess I have worked with a mexican I can’t fault em. My searg in army was mexican and he gave me my last 3 months in army off. That was nice of him. He rewarded good work.

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  76. on April 28, 2009 at 1:34 am stanky legg

    “They work harder and they’re a hell of a lot smarter than you.”

    Wounded Animal, I’m not sure if that’s true:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=KQ4rLiAbHQQC&printsec=frontcover

    Hindoos have a much lower average IQ than African-Americans (about .5 to 1 standard deviation, depending on what numbers you use)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty

    The percentage of indians living in extreme poverty is competitive with sub-saharan africa.

    http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/3.html

    Indian literacy is also competitive with sub-saharan africa. As are a few indochinese nations.

    On a different tangent, Costa Rica is an amerindian nation experiencing net migration:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cs.html

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  77. on April 28, 2009 at 2:20 am Max from Australia

    So if a highly educated professional Aussie was looking to move to America which city should I target? good family formation a must!

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  78. on April 28, 2009 at 6:06 am joel

    I am sure PBS will give a fair and balanced review of the treatment of Indians by the Europeans. What else would you expect.

    In truth, with the exception of the Pilgrams at Plymouth, I know of no European settlement that was not quickly meet with lethal force by the Indians. Columbus’ overwintering crew was murdered, remember. Heck, the first modern Europeans to set foot in North America, the Vikings from Greenland, were driven out by lethal force. Imagine how much different the history of the Indians would have been if they had allowed the Vikings to settle in North America. The Indians would have been brought into contact with European civilization in 1000 A.D. (roughly) and been able to integrate European technology and become part of the European trading system and adopted beneficial European economic, technical, and agricultural practices. They would not have been overwhelmed and destroyed by firearms and small pox like they were after 1500, when the cultural gap was too great for them to bridge.

    The quick Indian resort to violence was in the end their undoing.

    BTW, you never stop hearing B.S. from the media. I just read some piece in Salon to the effect that the Europeans were immune to smallpox because of centuries of exposure to it. Total crap. The Europeans were very susceptible to small pox, but, they had it young and the survivors were immune. Remember Jenner and the cowpox vaccine? Those milk maids were considered hot because they weren’t pox marked. Small pox was devastating to a population (North American Indians) which had never experienced it, because nobody was immune to it. And, the survivors were pox faced.

    Anyway, if being a non-white minority in a white country is bad, imagine being a white minority in a non-white country.

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  79. on April 28, 2009 at 7:21 am Lucius Vorenus

    richard mcbeef: Even the model minorities who don’t go for gangster shit are still resentful and tend to push politics in a leftist direction…

    This is one of the most depressing trends in American politics in the last 20 or 25 years: The speed & force & coordinated unanimity with which Jews & Asians [Pacific Rim & Curry-Indian] have moved into leftist Nihilism.

    Heck, I’ve even seen numbers indicating that second & third generation SoCal Vietnamese boatpeople & SoFlor Cuban boatpeople are trending hard Left.

    If the very people who fled Communism can’t resist whatever it is that The Left is now dangling before their noses, then you have to start wondering whether there might be a more primordial, Darwinistic element at work here – whether some people are just not bred to become members of a free citizenry capable of sustaining a free republic.

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  80. on April 28, 2009 at 7:52 am Tupac Chopra

    If the very people who fled Communism can’t resist whatever it is that The Left is now dangling before their noses, then you have to start wondering whether there might be a more primordial, Darwinistic element at work here – whether some people are just not bred to become members of a free citizenry capable of sustaining a free republic.

    It’s simpler than that.

    Humans will always form a line in front of whoever promises the most Free Cheese.

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  81. on April 28, 2009 at 9:31 am Firepower

    The Left will ALWAYS win.

    Conservos espouse hard work

    The Left espouses sex without consequence with multiple 13 year olds using Government supplied condoms.

    what’s more fun – grad school, or fucking like rabbits with a full belly sated on Government Cheese supplied by taxpayers?

    game over, man

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  82. on April 28, 2009 at 12:05 pm Lucius Vorenus

    Me: This is one of the most depressing trends in American politics in the last 20 or 25 years: The speed & force & coordinated unanimity with which Jews & Asians [Pacific Rim & Curry-Indian] have moved into leftist Nihilism.

    Wow – not two or three hours after I wrote that, Arlen Specter announced that he was leaving the GOP.

    Now can we openly call him the Little Himey Faggot that he was all along?

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  83. on April 28, 2009 at 12:07 pm Lucius Vorenus

    Firepower: The Left espouses sex without consequence with multiple 13 year olds using Government supplied condoms.

    Wait a second – I thought that was what Roissy advocated.

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  84. on April 28, 2009 at 12:26 pm Virgin@40

    Well, sorry for my rant. I just wanted to express some disgust for all this situation.

    “America, the other evil empire.”

    P.A., I actually *like(d)* America. But, look now what you have been exporting? Do you know what America is to us here?
    Free war handed over to opressed peoples, like Iraq or Vietname (let’s not descend into politics, it’s just the image I’m talking about);
    McDonalds;
    Deranged MTV programs;
    Paris Hilton and Pamela Anderson;
    Al Gore’s America is destroying the environment;

    Thrd Worldisation of New York, California, Miami, Texas…
    And in the end, I happen to have sympathies towards America, but if you continue to push down everybody’s throat multiculturalism and such (see a speach of Clinton in the 90s saying how wonderfull it would be that the biggest American State, California, would be non white in few years)… you actually became evil. And you are the first to suffer it and you know it.

    ” futile, cheap, expensive… big but low…”

    It was a kind of “linguistic style”: See, big: It can built the best planes and great warships but is low because it makes its image at the base of deranged MTV and plastic food. It is cheap because it is available to everybody but is expensive because once you go there, you definetly understand that nobody is *equally* American. Just ask your Illegal Native American alien.

    “Virgin did you throw some punches?”

    Lol. No. In the first time, I pushed the guy but then he had already picked his victim and I believed it could all go well. Then, we let them fight one on one for about thirty seconds and then seperated them. That’s when the son of a bitch called his gang and we had to leave.
    When I said we were almost killed it is because we were almost involved into a fight. Fortunateley we are all great speakers and we could convince the black criminal thug that we were all against the police and stuff. Non the less, he called his gang, but when it arrived, the police was already there and we had put it strait with the black guys.

    P.S. – We are not racists, we just wanted to be in peace, have our own fucking place/country. In our group there was a black guy. He just happened to leave earlier.

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  85. on April 28, 2009 at 12:40 pm Virgin@40

    “My point is that every so often, there will be White folks who will try to make the case, that the reason why so and so aint gettin ahead is because they aint assimilatin’ enough. I call Bullshit and piss on that weakassed argument. Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results. And that’s putting it kindly.”

    Obsidian, I know I am too late but you are absoluteley right.
    What you forget to mention is that while you believe in an ideal of “black”, “brown”, “yellow”, “red”, “blue” land, you cannot accept the concept of a “white land” and a “white Nation”.
    That is why you *cannot* understand that virtually all American Countries were built for Europeans to be European Nations. That’s why I bet you will claim Europeans are racists because the far-right is growing while now, virtually all European Nations but some in the NorthEast of Europe are more than 5% non white.
    Heck, look to France. Will you recognise the right of France to be French? Of course you won’t!

    If you’re fair enough – and I believ you are – you will compare how whites treat non whites in European Nations (USA, Europe, Russia, New Zeland, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico) and how non whites treat Europeans in their lands (Japan, China, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Angola, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia).

    Rodhesia and South Africa, created by Europeans. What happened to the whites once the non whites took power?

    So, where do the whites belong? Why can’t the whites have a place to their own? When you think about it, it reminds me of uncle Adolf and the Jewish Question.

    … and once again, it appears that the ones to be exterminated will have as their last bastion Poland and Ukraine.

    ——————————————————–
    In one word: Why do you always want to suck “our” blood and “assimilate” into us while we could all get along well as long as we created our own institutions at our own image? And… why can’t “the whites” assimilate into you? because that’s colonialism? A lot of the problems with Israel is because a significant part of the world see the Jews as “White people coming from Europe”.

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  86. on April 28, 2009 at 12:52 pm Virgin@40

    “Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results. And that’s putting it kindly.

    My heart bleeds. Luckily there are plenty of majority non-White societies you can relocate to: Detroit, Compton, Newark, Zimbabwe, Liberia …”

    Indeed Wounded Animal, it’s just offensive. Just look to this stats:

    Southern Africa:
    South Africa 1985=16% white; 2005=9% white;
    Zimbabwe 1985 5,6% white; 2005= 0,5% white;
    Mozambique 1961=4% white; 2001=0% white;
    Angola 1961=11% white; 2001=1% white.

    Americas:
    Canada 1985=98% white; 2005=80% white
    Mexico 1850=40% white; 1950= 11% white
    United States late 50s= 92% white; early two thousands? You tell me…
    Cuba before Castro was 75% white. Now? You tell me…
    Brazil 1950=67% white; 2005=49% white
    Panama 1980=20% white; 2005=10% white

    Downunder:
    New Zeland 1985=92% white; 2005=78% white
    Australia 1985=99% white; 2005=90% white

    Not to mention Europe that has now significant alien comunities in virtually every country.

    ———————————————–
    And the darkies complain about assimilation 😉 :O

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  87. on April 28, 2009 at 1:00 pm Obsidian

    Virgin40,
    I think that every country or people has the right to determine their own destiny. So I have no problem at all w/the French people being French, what I have a problem with, again, is the White French refusing to admit those who try hard to BE French, simply because they have dark skin.

    Wrt SAFR, Zimbawe, etc-the problem so many Whites, including you, want to forget about, is the fact that the Whites visited all kinds of cruelty on the Black populations, and well, emotions and feelings about the past matter. I think one would be hardpressed to say that Nelson Mandela and Bishop Desmond Tutu haven’t tried to be fair and humane to their former tormentors. Mugabe is another question though, LOL. And for the record, I don’t support him. I think he’s using a legit issue for his own ends and hurting everyone else in the process.

    O

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  88. on April 28, 2009 at 1:16 pm Virgin@40

    “You must have them confused with Cubans.”

    Yeah… white Cubans, that is.
    You know, a Germanic can look to a Spaniard and claim he’s dark. That does not make the Spaniard less white or Spanish women less beautifull: http://euro2008girls.com/category/spanish/

    Though I have to admit that I prefere this German: http://euro2008girls.com/sarah-brander-schweinsteiger/sarah-brander-01/
    But in the whole, yeah… the Spaniards are the best represented in that site.

    So, in the end, Miami is fucked anyway due to all the non white cubans and people who do not belong to the European Civilisation at all. However, Miami is cool because it stills the place with hotter women in whole the Caribean. Surprisningly (or not) it is the place with more white of all the Caribean.

    And after having read the comments. It is so fucking amusing how Americans confuse the pure to almost pure European Latin American misses with the black and indian latin american masses it hurts.

    Go to London, then go to Mexico and tell me which city has the best girls. Damn! I would rather go to a small European centre like Zagreb than to any Central American big city, because I would find the hottest girls there, in Croatia. And “pure”, with that Eastern European non bitchy mantra. (in a word, without much feminsm).

    And if you don’t believe in what I’m talking just compare Seville to Algiers or Marakesh or compare Athens to Istambul or Naples to Tunis or Cairo.

    You will see the European end with the best girls over, and over again. It does not mean there are no beauties outside of Europe, it only means that for any of each you will find zilions of the same level in Europe. Non white immigration = severe decrease in the average quality of the girls.

    But you will continue being satisfied pounding Mexican pussy.
    Damn, even the Spaniards only pounded Mexican pussy because they hadn’t Spanish pussy around…

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  89. on April 28, 2009 at 1:40 pm Virgin@40

    “On a different tangent, Costa Rica is an amerindian nation experiencing net migration”

    LOOOOL So laughable!!! Costa Rica is the only Nation of Central America that is/was traditionally European-majority.
    That’s why they get so many (non white) immigrants, because they have created (surprise!) a somewhat nice country to live in. In the 70s Costa Rica was 80% white, today it is about 50% or so… still. compared to the neighboured countries it is the white one. That’s why they are being fucked up.

    The same with Brazil, Argentina and, to a lesser extent, Uruguay and even merely ~40% white Chile. Don’t fool yourself about it, at the current phase we’re on, if your Nation is “white” you will be screwd.

    COSTA RICA IS BEING DROWN IN A SEE OF IMMIGARATION BECAUSE IT IS/WAS WHITE. (You won’t find there many blondes, but you wouldn’t find many in Spain neither)

    ——————————————————————-

    Finishing this round, to Obsidian:
    Well, I wellcome your position, I understand you and I think you are not “bad” or “evil”. But your way of thinking is destructive towards European Civilisation. Just this:

    “So I have no problem at all w/the French people being French, what I have a problem with, again, is the White French refusing to admit those who try hard to BE French, simply because they have dark skin.”

    How can they try to be French if they are not? You see, Europe is built over Nations and not “propositional Nations”. We’re talking about blood here. America went on well because it initally copied this model.
    An Irish in Brittain can do whatever he wants, but he cannot be English. He knows it. He only has to work and obbey the rules while being a foreigner. He will *never* be English.
    So, how can people much more different *become* French?

    The Irish would only be English if he and his descendents fucked so many English girls that they would become indistinguishable in every way.
    One non white can eventually become French.
    For the ~10 to 15% of aliens in France to become French they would have to take 15% French of the opposite sex and then the next generation would have to take 30% of the French…
    THere would be no France at all. So, in heart, what you advocate, is the complete destruction of France.

    Not to mention the 15% of French people who would feel “the immigrants took what’s our”. There you would have 15% of the people ready to start a war.

    Not only what you advocate is highly destructive of European Civilisation as we have had one exemple in the past:
    The Jews did not half the harm this “enrinching immigrants” are doing to Europe, nor were the Jews in so great proportions. Do you honestly think this will end well?

    And just because you want some people to become what they cannot become. Those will – and are already – the greatest victims.

    P.S. – About how the blacks in South Africa were treated: Do you really think they are better now?
    And your comunity in the United States (because you definetly are), how many black young boys died or went to jail because some people in Washington decided that the blacks couldn’t be responsible for their actions? (I’m referring to the destruction of the “black family”. I have the impression that in the 60s the black fathers were there for their sons and now it seems that the “evil white” American State is(n’t really) there for the sons of the black fathers).

    Regards, O.

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  90. on April 28, 2009 at 2:05 pm gig

    Mexico 1850=40% white; 1950= 11% white
    Cuba before Castro was 75% white. Now? You tell me…
    Brazil 1950=67% white; 2005=49% white
    Panama 1980=20% white; 2005=10% white

    With the exception of Cuba, reduction in the number of whites in Latin America means miscigenation. In Cuba there was mass emigration. Now 40% whites in Mexico???? Source, please

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  91. on April 29, 2009 at 8:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””””””””on April 28, 2009 at 12:52 pm Virgin@40
    “Just about every non-White in this thing has bent over backwards to assimilate, w/at best, mixed results. And that’s putting it kindly.

    My heart bleeds. Luckily there are plenty of majority non-White societies you can relocate to: Detroit, Compton, Newark, Zimbabwe, Liberia …”

    Indeed Wounded Animal, it’s just offensive. Just look to this stats:

    Southern Africa:
    South Africa 1985=16% white; 2005=9% white;
    Zimbabwe 1985 5,6% white; 2005= 0,5% white;
    Mozambique 1961=4% white; 2001=0% white;
    Angola 1961=11% white; 2001=1% white.

    Americas:
    Canada 1985=98% white; 2005=80% white
    Mexico 1850=40% white; 1950= 11% white
    United States late 50s= 92% white; early two thousands? You tell me…
    Cuba before Castro was 75% white. Now? You tell me…
    Brazil 1950=67% white; 2005=49% white
    Panama 1980=20% white; 2005=10% white

    Downunder:
    New Zeland 1985=92% white; 2005=78% white
    Australia 1985=99% white; 2005=90% white

    Not to mention Europe that has now significant alien comunities in virtually every country.”””””””””””””””””

    If true pretty wild stats by virgin.

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