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February And March 2009 Beta Of The Month Winners

April 29, 2009 by CH

The crack team at Chez Pussyhound fell asleep on the job and neglected to do followup posts announcing the BIG BETA WIENERS for the February and March 2009 BOTM contests.

What best exemplifies the Beta of the Month?

  • An unerring devotion to the betrayal of his masculine essence.
  • A complete lack of shame.
  • A willingness to debase himself for the skankiest of pussies.
  • White Knight Syndrome.
  • Sensitive Man Syndrome.
  • A lack of self-awareness.
  • Desperation and obsession.
  • Self-abnegation for little in return.
  • Inability to view women as anything other than flawless paragons of virtue and righteousness.
  • Unremitting chivalry.
  • Anhedonic.
  • Considers himself a feminist.
  • Sits cross-legged.
  • Afraid of own erection.

February’s race was a runaway. The February 2009 BOTM Winner (submitted by reader 11minutes) and now one of the finalists for the Grande Finale 2009 Beta of the Year contest was the man who read about his wife’s cheating in her diary and responded in the only way a flouncy mangirl would respond — by consoling his wife while she laid flowers on her ex-lover’s grave. This repulsive specimen of supreme betaness beat out the guy who pays for his wife’s sex vacations. What a surfeit of beta! The world is full of these guys, and I shall feast on their misery.

It shouldn’t have to be said, but if you have anything left swishing around in your nutsack the only appropriate response to catching your wife cheating is throwing her and her shit out the window, in that order. Then moving out of the country to evade divorce theft and hiding your assets in overseas accounts. Finish the day up with a trip to the Amsterdam clubs with your buddies.

******

March’s BOTM head-to-head featured a cast of infamous characters and also had a clear winner. The March 2009 BOTM Winner (submitted by reader stacy) and now a finalist for the 2009 BOTY is the ex-husband who invited his slobby ex-wife and her new day laborer husband to live in his home, where he was treated nightly to their rutting noises and humiliated in front of his children.

Recap:
He married a hog.
Hog divorced him because he’s too beta even for a fat cow like her.
Hog marries Mexican day laborer with green card issues.
He invites hog and hogfucker to live under his roof.
Hog FEELS PITY for him because he’s single.
His children bear witness to his daily humilation.
He’s OK with all this.

This is the stuff of nightmares. In visual form, his psychological torture would look like this:

balls

The March 2009 winner defeated the milquetoast fiancee of Jessica Valenti, editor of the “Chicks with Dick Clits” website devoted to the pursuit and exultation of pretty lies. Now that the March 2009 BOTM has been announced and Jessica’s progressive feminist boyfriend escaped the ignominious honor of Beta of the Month, she can breathe a sigh of relief. Congratulations, Jessica, your fiancee is not quite as beta as a guy who has to listen to his ex-wife get pounded by one of the landscaping crew in his own home.

Jessica wrote an article for the Guardian which linked to my blog and which was obviously inspired by the sadistic glee of my BOTM post where I unleashed the soulripping hooked chains of the Cenobite hordes upon the stupidity of her beliefs and the squalor of her fiancee’s mincing betatude. I believe I have hurt her, though she will never admit it, of course. She wrote: “… a “ball-cutting cybersuccubus”, as I was, in fact, described [by moi]. Think I can get that on a business card?”

Yes, my cat toy, you can get that on a business card. And since I am a monster id of generous cruelty, here is a suggestion for Andrew’s business card:

“Cuckold In Training”.

Best.

PS: Keep your BOTY contest submissions rolling in, folks.

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  1. on April 29, 2009 at 12:58 pm Kick a Bitch

    where is the edit button? image should read MASTERPIECE

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  2. on April 29, 2009 at 12:58 pm Kick a Bitch

    omg, i want to frame and hang that wonderfully constructed Paint image.

    madskills++

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  3. on April 29, 2009 at 12:58 pm Kick a Bitch

    haha… check that shit out. my post are out of order… let’s see where this one lands

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  4. on April 29, 2009 at 1:00 pm Kick a Bitch

    weak…

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  5. on April 29, 2009 at 1:03 pm 11minutes

    If you can stomach it:
    http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x87daz_signs_shortfilms

    (and yes, it is based on a “true story”)

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  6. on April 29, 2009 at 1:03 pm Lance

    this site can get a bit clogged up with all the race realist shit. in an effort to reach out to a more diverse audience, i propose that you rename ‘white knight syndrome’ as ‘captain sav-a-hoe complex’.

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  7. on April 29, 2009 at 1:04 pm jonathanjones02

    That artistic wonder can inspire nightmares. Betas of the world beware.

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  8. on April 29, 2009 at 1:17 pm Sarsen

    Miss Valenti also has a new book out called ‘The Purity Myth’ where she talks about struggling with her sexuality and being called a ‘slut.’ So she’s a slut, but doesn’t want to be called that or devalued for giving up her flappy vag to every dick who comes her way.

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30353377/

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  9. on April 29, 2009 at 1:17 pm Lance

    i’m digging this list. if you take each one of these things you have a very good list of alpha behavior, or as T says ‘well-rounded man’ behavior.

    beta list:

    * An unerring devotion to the betrayal of his masculine essence.
    * A complete lack of shame.
    * A willingness to debase himself for the skankiest of pussies.
    * White Knight Syndrome.
    * Sensitive Man Syndrome.
    * A lack of self-awareness.
    * Desperation and obsession.
    * Self-abnegation for little in return.
    * Inability to view women as anything other than flawless paragons of virtue and righteousness.
    * Unremitting chivalry.
    * Anhedonic.
    * Considers himself a feminist.
    * Sits cross-legged.
    * Afraid of own erection.

    corrected list:

    * An unwavering devotion to the enhancement of his masculine essence.
    * A healthy sense of shame.
    * A willingness to never debase himself for any woman.
    * Is not ‘Capt. Sav-a-hoe.
    * Often accused of being insensitive.
    * Constant self-awareness.
    * Confidence and aloofness.
    * Gives in relation to what he is given.
    * Understands woman are duplicitous in nature.
    * Chivalrous when such behavior is earned.
    * A hedonist
    * Is wary, to say the least, of feminism.
    * Sits legs-akimbo.
    * Has large framed photograph or artist’s rendering of hos own erection hanging over the fireplace.

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  10. on April 29, 2009 at 1:22 pm Chuck

    The drawing reminds me of a site one of my friends pointed me to. I won’t link directly to it because its contents are hideous, but an org called BME (Body Modification Ezine) holds a contest called the Pain Olympics in which people from across the world send in video of self-mutilation in order to win the contest.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BME_(website)

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  11. on April 29, 2009 at 1:25 pm Thursday

    That drawing has to be counted as some kind of masterpiece.

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  12. on April 29, 2009 at 1:29 pm ugh

    from the succubus’s article:

    ‘But as it turned out, it was posts such as these, which mocked us for being thoughtful about our decision to get married, that brought Andrew and I closer. And the dismissing of our feminist values made us discuss and embrace them even more.’

    my lord. having to listen to this hag reaffirm her feminist values has got to be nearly as bad as listening to your ex-wife fuck a mexican day laborer in the next room. this is really a toss-up for me.

    ‘Andrew took a renewed interest in his wedding-planning tasks, recognising that it wasn’t just important for the sake of my sanity, but as a political statement too.’

    to really drive it home, you have to follow the link to look at this eunuch’s smug, privileged face as he cradles his man-jawed bride-to-be. it’s the kind of thing you meditate on before shooting up a mall.

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  13. on April 29, 2009 at 1:36 pm JAM

    Lance — that’s an awesome list. I’m stealing it.

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  14. on April 29, 2009 at 1:37 pm Firepower

    Bea fucking Arthur? Any female writing her praises has a strap-on hidden in her closet.

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  15. on April 29, 2009 at 1:39 pm Thursday

    This from Jessica Valenti’s article:

    . . . the definition of “virginity” is fairly abstract . . .

    Oh boy.

    Let me make this real easy for you, Jessica, if a penis has entered your vagina, you’re not a virgin. If no penis in vagina, then virgin.

    For the purposes of determining virginity, other sexual acts don’t count. Oral etc. doesn’t count. This is because other sex acts cannot result in children.

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  16. on April 29, 2009 at 1:39 pm Cicero

    Jessica Valenti left out the part about her honeymoon with Andrew in the article.

    If I’m not mistaken they spent most of their honeymoon scissoring.

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  17. on April 29, 2009 at 1:40 pm db

    i love the drawing! her red hair and eyes are fierce! 🙂 and i love the selective use of color – really highlights the key elements of your artistic composition.

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  18. on April 29, 2009 at 1:42 pm Thursday

    BTW my newest post, a battle plan for finding a virgin to marry, is here.

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  19. on April 29, 2009 at 1:47 pm W Baker

    Roissy,

    As you spread your anthropological wings a bit, you might want to give us your view on why the BosWash corridor seems to grow so many of these Jessica Valenti types.

    Is it just the political courtier class and other human detritus from Satan’s sphincter, aka, the DC Beltway, which spawns this stuff, or what?

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  20. on April 29, 2009 at 1:53 pm thedudeman

    HAHAHAH, I love that she quoted “ball cutting succubus” and was proud. She’s the first person to give Freud’s idea of penis envy credibility since the early 1930’s. And she didn’t even stand up for her fiance — cause she knows twice as well as we do that he’s potentially the beta of all time, the BOAT has come in.

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  21. on April 29, 2009 at 2:09 pm Cicero

    Jessica Valenti has scissored Andrew Golis’ vulva to a pulp.

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  22. on April 29, 2009 at 2:14 pm Default User

    W Baker

    …why the BosWash corridor seems to grow so many of these Jessica Valenti types…

    The Andrews and Jessicas both exist because of the types that end up in politics, academia and other “cognitive” areas.

    These areas attract high T women (because it is competitive) and intelligent men (because much of it is about think tanks and lengthy reports, etc.). If IQ and testosterone are negatively correlated (for men) we will end up with men and women with much more matched masculinity. This means that the Jessicas of the world never get the smack-down (I am talking verbal here) that they need.

    Essentially they become men because no man has led them or shown particular dominance over them. The men, having lower T levels are less likely to fight this coven of Jessicas and so their power grows.

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  23. on April 29, 2009 at 2:18 pm ironrailsironweights

    To repeat something I mentioned at the time, the March 2009 “winner” did not let his ex-wife and her new husband live in his house because it’s not his house. His mother owns it.

    Peter

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  24. on April 29, 2009 at 2:22 pm Cannon's Canon

    Several points:
    1. I have used “anhedonic” a dozen times since Roissy first published it.
    2. I voted for Valenti’s feministing future husband.
    3. Valenti is performing “readings” from her book in NYC on May 4th and 17th. I would like to attend these with any fellow board readers and open every single wo-man in attendance. I cannot make the May 4th appearance, as I will be attending the Cam’ron album release party (another bastion of feminist idealism… NOT!). Please respond if interested in the May 17th spectacle.

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  25. on April 29, 2009 at 2:39 pm lurker

    Cannon’s Cannon, I’m with you. May 17th? I would totally kick a bitch that day.

    Can we bring tomatoes, or is logic enough?

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  26. on April 29, 2009 at 2:42 pm schoolboy

    Today walking around campus i saw a shit load of “Woman Studies” group posters. I felt like doing some fight club shit and just knock them down, but their was cameras.

    Anyway this feminsism is affecting campuses like a disease I believe now more than ever,(the pig flu doesn’t have shit on this.)

    There was this feminist presentation, which was announced today. I went to it to see these ball cutters in action, and what I saw only enforced what roissy and this blog warns you against.

    These wo-man’s mean no good, they repeat the same shit,”Resistance!” They were speaking on equal rights and all that noise, yet they didn’t seem to want to acknowledge any responsibility for their actions.

    It’s true. They want it all with no responsibility or consequences.

    Roissy, sir you are a force to truly be reckoned with.

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  27. on April 29, 2009 at 2:43 pm lurker

    “why the BosWash corridor seems to grow so many of these Jessica Valenti types”

    —simple. Feminists can only exist where they are free from the real world and everything they need can be sent to them. Protected in the cocoons of cities and academia, freed from creating anything worth anything, they can pretend they are little princesses beset with “real” problems.

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  28. on April 29, 2009 at 2:46 pm lurker

    any man who marries or dates a feminist deserves his balls cut off.

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  29. on April 29, 2009 at 2:47 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    Sluts are fun. For awhile.

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  30. on April 29, 2009 at 3:00 pm DF

    Those balls should have been painted blue…for realism.

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  31. on April 29, 2009 at 3:08 pm maurice

    “ball cutting succubus” actually made the headline in the Guardian article – awesome. I wonder if Roissy will get a spike in readership as a result. Welcome to the dark side, curious feminist readers …muah-hah-hahhh!

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  32. on April 29, 2009 at 3:12 pm tunacanman

    lol.
    I think I swooped that red head at mcfaddens, she loveded it…

    …

    slut.

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  33. on April 29, 2009 at 3:13 pm Lance

    any man who marries or dates a feminist deserves his balls cut off.

    i agree when it comes to the valenti types. those men aren’t very masculine to begin with. david alexander might do well to find himself one.

    there are, however, plenty of women who would describe themselves as feminists, but really just believe in some version of equality. i have no problem with that. they’ll trot out some talking points they picked up in college as a minor shit test, and i roll right through them.

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  34. on April 29, 2009 at 3:15 pm Cicero

    Cannon’s Cannon,

    Will Ms. Valenti be scissoring on May 17th, perchance?

    If so, I would be willing to attend in order to witness such a spectacle.

    I hear that her scissoring technique is spectacular. It is extremely rough but efficient. Just look at Andrew Golis’ vulva. That once wondrous specimen of a “mangina” has been reduced to a bloody, scabby, stub of a vulva.

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  35. on April 29, 2009 at 3:19 pm Thursday

    “ball cutting succubus” actually made the headline in the Guardian article – awesome.

    Ah, the power of good phrase-making.

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  36. on April 29, 2009 at 3:22 pm gig

    those recent developments (i.e., the guardian article plus the succubus priding itself on being a succubus) should force a reconsideratio n of the BOTM for march.

    Andrew Golis should go to the BOTY contest, if not a new poll should be opened.

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  37. on April 29, 2009 at 3:29 pm Thursday

    The fact that Valenti was apparently screwing around in her early teens and is obviously the more masculine of the two people in the relationship, plus her complete unmooring from any sort of tradition to restrain her, means that cheating is all but certain. Remember, about 30-40% of women end up cheating and that that means that among certain demographics (big jawed ball cutting feminists among them) it will be a lot higher.

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  38. on April 29, 2009 at 3:31 pm Brooklyn Redneck

    That photo in the Guardian article says it all about who is in control in that relationship. Andy looks so sweet leaning on her shoulder like that.

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  39. on April 29, 2009 at 3:37 pm Lance

    a lot of people voted for the other guy over golis, because golis just seemed like such an ordinary beta. that’s precisely why i did vote for him. that’s what makes him such a beta. he’s a fucking cliche.

    in his latest post T_ricky_raw linked to an article about how feminism has lead so many career women to pick sexless, beta pushovers as mates. DC is full of these couples. every time is see one, it’s all i can do to stop myself from waiting til he’s out of sight and running the most blatant direct game on these chicks. it would work a fair amount of the time, but unfortunately it would also inflate all of their egos.

    i’m starting a movement right now. write-in andrew golis for beta of the year. he should be allowed into the final voting on a wild card or something.

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  40. on April 29, 2009 at 3:40 pm Pupu

    The drawing has got balls! Pupu likes it!

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  41. on April 29, 2009 at 3:40 pm Sarsen

    Thursday,

    It won’t be cheating. She’ll tell her beta boy their marriage will be an open relationship and then parade a series of male and female partners in front of her doting husband who will accept her promiscuous ways.

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  42. on April 29, 2009 at 3:58 pm Lance

    valenti is the perfect example of the feminist MO, which is essentially the attempt to rationalize emotions without actually behaving rationally. it goes something like this:

    exhibit some form of questionable behavior, like being promiscuous, then attempt to rationalize it through self-rationalizing theories. spend all your time trashing traditional institutions, then suddenly decide you want part of them; rationalize that by claiming all you’re really after is ‘choice’. dollars to donuts that at some point in the future she will either cheat or dump her husband, and instead of just admitting that she made a mistake, she’ll turn into some act of feminist liberation.

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  43. on April 29, 2009 at 3:59 pm kdg

    As I read Valenti’s article for the Guardian, I was repeatedly reminded of roissy’s comment from the prior post:

    ——
    “Andrew and I discussed” means “Andrew listened while I told him what we were doing”.
    ——

    For example,

    “From the beginning, Andrew and I agreed that we would not be one of those couples in which the woman ends up doing all of the wedding-related work because she is the person who is supposed to care about it the most.”

    and

    “My partner Andrew and I made the leap in the way that suited us best – we talked about it, and jointly decided that we should get engaged. For us, it was perfect.”

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  44. on April 29, 2009 at 4:08 pm Welmer

    But as it turned out, it was posts such as these, which mocked us for being thoughtful about our decision to get married, that brought Andrew and I closer. And the dismissing of our feminist values made us discuss and embrace them even more. Andrew took a renewed interest in his wedding-planning tasks, recognising that it wasn’t just important for the sake of my sanity, but as a political statement too….

    I wonder whether the Guardian published the article for the laughs.

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  45. on April 29, 2009 at 4:09 pm Lupo

    Mrs. Valenti looks more like a woman than Jessica does.

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  46. on April 29, 2009 at 4:14 pm lurker

    Richard Grieco looks more like a woman than Jessica does.

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  47. on April 29, 2009 at 4:24 pm Cicero

    That picture just tells you everything you need to know.

    She has a very masculine face, while he has a very feminine face. If she had very short hair, and if he didn’t have facial hair and had more hair on his head, it would be very difficult to distinguish whether they were a gay couple or a lesbian couple.

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  48. on April 29, 2009 at 4:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but she was pissed when the dude was playing on the comp while she was planning the wedding. This dude may end up busting her balls in the end. Someone may have called it before.

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  49. on April 29, 2009 at 4:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hes gonna dig dirt on her and hold it all through the mariage then eviscerate her in court get the kids and make her ass pay child support. lol

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  50. on April 29, 2009 at 4:49 pm Anonymous

    High T women have more sons?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/features/article3598093.ece

    How much cloud d’ya want with your silver lining, is the question.

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  51. on April 29, 2009 at 5:03 pm SweetNutcracker

    Jessica Valenti might not be traditional but that sure didn’t stop her from registering for wedding gifts at Williams-Sonoma:

    http://is.gd/vsgj

    As Lance pointed out above, she’ll probably just chalk that up to whatever feminist rationalization that’s convenient.

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  52. on April 29, 2009 at 5:04 pm BeEASY

    Having vaginal sex in the missionary position is a sop to the Patriarchy. Every time Andrew has sex with Ms. Valenti, he should give it to her good in the ass, in the doggy position.

    But I guess the fact that Andrew married her in the first place means that Jessica’s the one butt-fucking him.

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  53. on April 29, 2009 at 5:43 pm The Alpha Whisperer

    I can tell what giant cocks you all have and what interesting lives you all lead by the amount of attention you pay to a stranger’s relationship. Only alphas would be able to juggle fucking tons of pussy with spending hours on the internet cattily gossiping about a wedding. Giant-cocked alphas, I salute you!

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  54. on April 29, 2009 at 5:51 pm turtle

    Too bad Andrew is such a pussy… cuz that bitch could take a punch.

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  55. on April 29, 2009 at 6:09 pm turtle

    The March BOTM winner did get on TV the day after Easter. CNN or GMA? It was on some channel. National exposure of beta-dom.

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  56. on April 29, 2009 at 6:09 pm wexler

    “Sits cross-legged.” This is just stupid.

    What about slouching. Is this alpha, as someone who slouches is so tough and confident that they are above worrying and beyond having to be alert, or is it just lazy, submissive and sloppy. I’ll go with the later, and will note that the two postures usually exclude each other. (A leg-crosser doesn’t slouch.)

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  57. on April 29, 2009 at 6:23 pm Cicero

    I tried punching Jessica Valenti’s vagina once. But her clit blocked my fist.

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  58. on April 29, 2009 at 6:24 pm Cicero

    You can read about it in more detail in my “De Officiis”

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  59. on April 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm z

    Roissy,

    You may have been more prescient about the robots than you even realize.

    Look at this Japanese model -talk- and make facial gestures, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFFs4DHWys

    Thats from 2006. I was astonished at that. Dan Morgan, at his “No-speed-bumps” blog, had a couple of videos of these things walking around. Its not inconcievable that they will be able to clean if not cook in a few years. What will we do with all our illegal day maids? That vid suprised even me. It really is impressive.

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  60. on April 29, 2009 at 6:56 pm z

    BTW……………….The most alpha man in the world,

    I laughed my ass off when I seen these the other day. Its a testament to how little TV I watch that Ive not seen them, but they are perfectly done. The music, the tone, the seventies-looking-footage, the vinyl record recorded music, the actor (Jerry Goldsmith) they got to do the part……….

    The body language and comfort with himself conveys mega-alphaness also.

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  61. on April 29, 2009 at 6:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    Like I said we only have so much time to enjoy ourselves.

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  62. on April 29, 2009 at 7:38 pm Carl Sagan

    here is a suggestion for Andrew’s business card:

    “Cuckold In Training”.

    LOL!

    Well played.

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  63. on April 29, 2009 at 8:33 pm ironrailsironweights

    What Andrew probably is doing right now: getting slapped with a purple saguaro by Jessica.

    [editor: true!]

    What 99% of old guys with perverted fetishes almost certainly are doing right now: wishing their wife was younger.

    [my god the candor is breathtaking!]

    Peter

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  64. on April 29, 2009 at 8:36 pm Mr.M

    What Andrew probably is doing right now: having wild sex with Jessica.

    What 99% of Roissy readers almost certainly are doing right now: masturbating to online porn in Mom’s basement.

    Peter

    i’d rather play with my own Peter than be someone’s bitch.

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  65. on April 29, 2009 at 8:44 pm Steve Johnson

    “What 99% of Roissy readers almost certainly are doing right now: masturbating to online porn in Mom’s basement.”

    What are the remaining 1% are doing? Looking up pictures of naked 55 year old fat women with unshaved pussy.

    I think living in Mom’s basement wins.

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  66. on April 29, 2009 at 10:30 pm ATC

    No, it should be Cuckold Lickpenny In Training, or C.L.I.T.

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  67. on April 30, 2009 at 12:12 am Tood

    The man who is living in his home with the Mexican day laborer is the total Beta.

    But the Mexican laborer himself is also Beta. He is fucking a fat woman much older than him, just to get a greencard.

    Is getting a greencard that valuable?

    It is a rare story where a fat hog has created two Betas.

    Seriously, though, many men who would not submit to such treatment do so because they know that divorce court would be even worse. They are trapped, and their descent into being Beta is partly due to state-sanctioned slavery.

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  68. on April 30, 2009 at 12:13 am Tood

    Roissy’s graphics are good enough that he should make :

    1) A calendar
    2) A line of T-shirts and bumper stickers

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  69. on April 30, 2009 at 12:22 am MQ

    in his latest post T_ricky_raw linked to an article about how feminism has lead so many career women to pick sexless, beta pushovers as mates. DC is full of these couples.

    In other words: the internet alphas who congregate here are getting outcompeted for women by “herbs”. The sublimated envy in this thread is amazing.

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  70. on April 30, 2009 at 12:23 am Tood

    The more ‘urban’ an area, the more feminists, socialists, and flamboyant faggots will concentrate there.

    Why? Because if you live in a small town, you are in touch with nature. You know about farming and livestock. You know about Pumas eating kids while they are playing in the backyward, and black bears breaking into your kitchen because of the smell of food.

    You know people who are small-time entrepreneurs. You know the grocer, butcher, and auto-repairman. You know where each of your neighbors works. There are virtually no government bureaucrats, just the mayor and sheriff.

    You know where all your food comes from, and how it arrived on your plate.

    Thus, you are attuned to natural laws, and thus will not be ensnared by the feminist ‘bizarro universe’.

    Among white people in America, tendency to vote Democrat is corelated exactly to population density of the county they are in. Check it out – it is exactly corelated.

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  71. on April 30, 2009 at 12:39 am ab_power

    Not much else can be said on the feminist’s marriage plans, but that picture from the guardian is sickening. I’m not of the paranoid mindset, but how much estrogen is there in our drinking water?

    Look at the pic:

    – shoulders are the same width
    – necks appear to be the same size as well
    – skull size is about the same too

    What in the fuck. Honestly, this lad would be better served in breaking up with her, living on his own, hitting the gym, and rekindling lost friendships with his buddies. She probably has more free testosterone than the guy. This whole mess had me thinking of this video I recently watched. Keep an open mind, it is quite alarming:

    Disappearing Males: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjYn-HwDQns

    – ab_power (canada)

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  72. on April 30, 2009 at 12:58 am Tood

    “Then moving out of the country to evade divorce theft and hiding your assets in overseas accounts. ”

    Sorry, but that will not enable you to avoid divorce laws. You are still responsible for showing up in court in the jurisdiction where it was filed, which should be your place of residence for the last 6 months.

    You cannot hide assets either. The discovery process will find this, and you will have to pay more than you would have had you not tried to hide.

    The only way is :
    1) Get a properly-done pre-nup, with lawyers on both sides. Nothing is foolproof, but this is all about probabilities.
    2) Get a woman who makes not too much less than you (ideally, more than you).
    3) Have GAME. Marriage does NOT mean you can forget about GAME!

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  73. on April 30, 2009 at 1:03 am Da_Truth_Hurts

    Good points Tood. Left wing “progressives” think society just magically happens and be changed on a whim / attempting to change the laws of nature and ignoring what that does to the machine of man. Factories churn out processed foods filled with preservatives allowing people to have more time to be slaves in an office, twitter, and scurry around buying shit for an oversize house.

    Family is the concrete basement by which human civilization is built. Fuck with it, and the wheels go flying off. You end up with massive decadent cities filled with amoral behavior and entire career fields based upon nothing of substance.

    Look how many lawyers there are. Run by lawyers, this country has insane levels of bureaucracy. There are doctor shortages because of lawyers, a group of people that cater to a bloated government. How long do you think it takes a lawyer to pay off debt with a high paying job? Not as long as a doctor. Doctors do something real.

    Massive incarceration rates, unwed pregnancy, abortion, high taxes, ineffective governance, diabetes, feminism, and Perez Hilton – mother nature is about to hit the reset button on some mother fuckers.

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  74. on April 30, 2009 at 3:06 am 87

    Left wing “progressives” think society just magically happens and be changed on a whim / attempting to change the laws of nature and ignoring what that does to the machine of man.

    Watch it with the touchy-feely “laws of nature” stuff, DTH.

    Civilization itself is in defiance of “the laws of nature”. Everything that forms the bedrock of civilization – monogamous marriage, rule of law, and so on – is, more or less, in defiance of those laws.

    The trick is to find which “laws” to defy, and which to uphold, in order to maximize the presence, longevity, health, and happiness of the human species.
    In that order.

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  75. on April 30, 2009 at 3:15 am 87

    There are doctor shortages because of lawyers, a group of people that cater to a bloated government.

    Not terribly realistic. Most lawyers don’t have the mental wherewithal to be accepted to, and to graduate from, medical schools. Especially in the scientific disciplines.

    Of the ones who do, the vast majority don’t have the patience. For really smart, but completely uncreative and conventional, people, law school is a three-year track to a guaranteed six-figure income, but a track that destroys the soul as collateral damage (if the soul was ever there to start with).
    People willing to accept that trade aren’t exactly the “go to school for four years, and do five more years of intern/residency, so that I can save lives” type.

    —

    Apropos of Roissy’s theses, actually, the main reason for the shortage of doctors is the mass admission of women to the medical profession.

    Yes, you read that correctly.

    You see, many female doctors have a problem: after their biological clock starts to tick, they just don’t want to practice medicine full-time, if at all, anymore.
    That’s a problem, since a part-time doctor, or an out-of-the-workforce doctor, swallows up just as many educational and training resources as does a full-time doctor.

    This is a serious quandary. What can be done about it?
    Roll back the admission of women? Probably not; there are plenty of good female doctors who have every intention of practicing medicine for a lifetime.
    Make doctors – of either sex – who practice for less than, say, 20 years pay for the education of their replacements? Now that’s an idea.

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  76. on April 30, 2009 at 3:26 am 87

    Sources for the above:

    —

    1.
    http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102274322.html

    “CONCLUSIONS: Women physicians are more likely than their male counterparts to work part-time. This is of particular importance to specialties such as pediatrics that have higher percentages of female physicians.”

    “Researchers, policy makers, and employers may need to re-examine the forecasted supply of physicians relative to possible increased demand and changing employment preferences.”

    There it is, kiddies.

    —

    2.
    http://ap.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/28/4/331

    “85% of female physicians made career changes for the benefit of their children and family, while only 35% of male physicians made similar changes.”

    “81% of the part-time residents were women.”

    —

    Readers, what do you think is the proper solution to this quandary?

    One of the most common responses in less enlightened quarters of the Internet would surely be “female doctors should have a stay-at-home husband” or something like that, but, unfortunately, that solution depends fundamentally on at least two pretty lies.

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  77. on April 30, 2009 at 3:29 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    You sir, are a MASTER of MSPAINT. More mspaints in your blogs bro.

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  78. on April 30, 2009 at 4:35 am Tood

    “Family is the concrete basement by which human civilization is built. Fuck with it, and the wheels go flying off. You end up with massive decadent cities filled with amoral behavior and entire career fields based upon nothing of substance. ”

    I know. I often am stunned to consider how far America has fallen in just 25 years.

    25 years ago, all TV shows had a masculine male lead character, and all sitcoms were family sitcoms.

    Today, a faggot like Perez Hilton is famous…and an attractive and polite beauty queen is being condemned for doing nothing wrong.

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  79. on April 30, 2009 at 6:51 am contrarian

    Lance

    beta list:
    * Anhedonic.

    corrected list:
    * A hedonist

    Anhedonia doesn’t mean what you think it means. It is “an inability to experience pleasure from normally pleasurable life events such as eating, exercise, and social or sexual interaction,” and it is “recognized as one of the key symptoms of mood disorder depression.”

    Furthermore, I fail see to see how hedonism or the lack of it is related to the alpha/beta dichotomy.

    Tood

    3) Have GAME. Marriage does NOT mean you can forget about GAME!

    Game is not necessary.

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  80. on April 30, 2009 at 6:58 am Chris

    UK PM Gordon Brown has to be a strong candidate for BOTM:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303660_pf.html

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  81. on April 30, 2009 at 7:23 am PA

    — the main reason for the shortage of doctors is the mass admission of women to the medical profession. […] This is a serious quandary. What can be done about it?
    Roll back the admission of women?

    In some areas of specialization I’m a fan of woman doctors. In the PA household, there is no such thing as male Ob/Gyns and pediatricians.

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  82. on April 30, 2009 at 8:23 am Obsidian

    Personally, I’m always struck by some of the most strident voices against (Black) Affirmative Action suddenly go to twisting themselves into all kinds of knots to justify it in the case of White Women. Funny that.

    O

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  83. on April 30, 2009 at 9:05 am Tarl

    For really smart, but completely uncreative and conventional, people, law school is a three-year track to a guaranteed six-figure income, but a track that destroys the soul as collateral damage (if the soul was ever there to start with).

    In my experience, “really smart, but completely uncreative and conventional and in search of a guaranteed high income” describes a great many doctors as well as lawyers.

    The problem with female doctors is that their over-representation in some specialties means that there is a shortage of doctors in the specialties women don’t like to do.

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  84. on April 30, 2009 at 9:52 am Lance

    @ MQ

    In other words: the internet alphas who congregate here are getting outcompeted for women by “herbs”. The sublimated envy in this thread is amazing.

    i suppose your use of the term internet alpha is meant to dismiss me as some loser who posts from my parents beasement and walks around envious of all these couples. it’s possible.

    as for being outcompeted, that implies two things. one, that i am interested. two, that i’m not out there swooping girls left unsatisfied by their beta boyfriends.

    maybe you’re absolutely right in labelling my sublimation. of course, it’s also possible that you’re wrong and not every criticism arises from secret envy. who knows?

    @ contrarian

    I fail see to see how hedonism or the lack of it is related to the alpha/beta dichotomy.

    it’s simple. and it’s related to the above. these couples, they so often seem joyless. or rather their joy is expressed in a very middle school way. these “partnerships” seem much more like partnerships or platonic friendships and much less like real relationships.

    i fully acknowledge that much of this is just my interpretations, but the ability to experience basic physical pleasures is indeed related. the women in these relationships seem so joyless, in part, because their men just don’t excite them in that way women want to be excited. the men, many of them so brainwashed from feminist indoctrination, are basically afraid to push for their own pleasure for fear of being labeled a misoyginist.

    anyway, the point is that a well-rounded men has a healthy enjoyment of life’s pleasures and doesn’t feel guilty about it.

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  85. on April 30, 2009 at 10:44 am SFG

    One of the things I was wondering about WRT divorce rape is the antipathy to career women. I realize alpha and traditional values go together, but doesn’t a higher salary on her part limit her ability to collect alimony. I understand if she actually makes more money than you, you can hit HER up for alimony…and nothing sweeter than that, seems to me 🙂

    Besides, I hear lots of these career women are actually submissive in the bedroom ;)>

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  86. on April 30, 2009 at 11:08 am PA

    — I realize alpha and traditional values go together

    Indeed. Real men are old school.

    — doesn’t a higher salary on her part limit her ability to collect alimony. I understand if she actually makes more money than you, you can hit HER up for alimony…and nothing sweeter than that, seems to me

    I’m not a lawyer but this is probably a sweet deal from the legalistc point of view. But a wife is more likely to view you as an alpha (ie, stay in love with you), all else being equal, if you make more money than she does.

    — Besides, I hear lots of these career women are actually submissive in the bedroom

    Only with alphas. Like that well-built, sharp-dressing senior vice president on the corner office. Or that dreamy stud with long hair and tatooos at the loading dock.

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  87. on April 30, 2009 at 11:08 am Da_Truth_Hurts

    87:

    Civilization itself is in defiance of “the laws of nature”. Everything that forms the bedrock of civilization – monogamous marriage, rule of law, and so on – is, more or less, in defiance of those laws.

    Modern civilization (cities and such) is allowed because of agriculture.

    Even in tribal life, the breakdown of male and female dynamics will ruin things. In big populations centers, this effect is magnified.

    Look how long it took to get the US to the height of industrial, financial, scientific and technological power. Look how quickly it will unravel when the core of mankind is disrupted.

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  88. on April 30, 2009 at 12:02 pm cptnapalm

    Tood: 2) Get a woman who makes not too much less than you (ideally, more than you).

    If a woman’s income meets or exceeds your own, that will drastically increase the probability of her filing for divorce. Remember: a loser is a man that makes less money than the woman calling him a loser.

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  89. on April 30, 2009 at 12:09 pm cptnapalm

    Obsidian: Personally, I’m always struck by some of the most strident voices against (Black) Affirmative Action suddenly go to twisting themselves into all kinds of knots to justify it in the case of White Women. Funny that.

    Have anyone or anything in particular in mind for that? Anti-AA people tend to be, well, Anti-AA across the board, insofar as I’ve ever seen.

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  90. on April 30, 2009 at 12:31 pm Firepower

    Yeah! favoring minorities by keeping down generations of one race to pay for the sins of a distant generation is The American Way!

    Go amerika!

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  91. on April 30, 2009 at 12:40 pm Jack

    Jessica – you want a real fuck. Call me.

    Do white women even get affirmative action now? I’m under the impression they pretty much don’t because they generally have similar qualifications to white men, unless we’re talking about something physical like firefighting, police, etc. For those things, there should be no special treatment for bitches.

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  92. on April 30, 2009 at 12:41 pm anony

    There is no shortage of physicians.

    There are plenty of specialty care docs.

    There is a shortage of primary care physicians because Medicare, state Medicaid, and SCHIP reimburse poorly for primary care. An acquaintance opthalmologist did a Medicaid bilateral corneal transplant ; he was reimburesed $13.00. How many more do you think he’s done since? A Medicare primary care visit in my state is less than $10, IF you are paid at all.
    Many primary care docs have converted a portion of their time to cosmetics. So, the actual number of physicians is in name only.

    87 here wants to blame women docs. If Medicare (the model for Obama’s plans) reimbursed better, women docs would find it in their best interests to work longer hours. In the interim , no one is paying their student loans, so women will decide what is best for themselves and families.

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  93. on April 30, 2009 at 1:15 pm Rome82

    Affirmative Action needs to go. Be real, though: you’ve lost more jobs to unqualified white guys with connections than to unqualified minorities. Happens all the time, only you don’t label it and despise it so. Or do you?

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  94. on April 30, 2009 at 1:16 pm David Alexander

    There is a shortage of primary care physicians because Medicare, state Medicaid, and SCHIP reimburse poorly for primary care.

    You can also add some health insurance providers as well into that pool of low reimbursement rates that exacerbates the problem. Eventually, the low reimbursement rates by some private and state insurance pools ends up affecting the uninsured pool by increasing the amount that they have to pay to cover up the losses of the other group. To a certain extent, the problem with government supported healthcare is that either the government is going to have to pay full price for everybody who isn’t covered, or doctors are going to have to accept short-falls in their income, or we’re just going to end up shipping patients to the crummiest doctors who will accept as many patients as possible to make up for the low reimbursement rates.

    There are plenty of specialty care docs.

    In contrast, other nations don’t have this problem, and Canada has a shortage of specialists because they train in Canada for nearly nothing in tax payer supported med schools, and then they flee to the US.

    If Medicare (the model for Obama’s plans) reimbursed better

    I’d argue that if we’re going to expand Medicaid, the best way to ensure better financing would be to impose co-payments on patients based on income similar to what’s done in France. Of course, better reimbursements would be key as well.

    Mind you, I suspect that despite campaign promises for no mandates, we’re going to get mandated healthcare for all workers which will basically destroy lower wage and part-time workers.

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  95. on April 30, 2009 at 1:27 pm anony

    DA,
    you make two solid points,
    -foreign trained (India, Pakistan, Nigerian) docs do well here because they have no deep debts to service.
    -Co-pays, YES. Whatever is free , including health care, is trashed, wasted, and discarded. People value their own health more when they must pay something for it.

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  96. on April 30, 2009 at 1:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    Really everything is bullshit if you don’t save money. That is the crux of everything. You can leave behind all bs by saving and having an income coming in. Then the world doesn’t have you by the balls on a 24 7 basis.

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  97. on April 30, 2009 at 1:38 pm Obsidian

    Do White Women get Affirmative Action? Of course they do, its called quotas. By that definition alone, they get it, but then we also know that often rules and the like are relaxed for many White Women, too, so here again we see Affirmative Action. The biggest wing flappers about AA, White Males, know the deal but for a variety of reasons they keep it on the quiet. Afterall, if you make the Sisterhood made they won’t break you off no nookie, and that won’t be good at all, will it?

    O

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  98. on April 30, 2009 at 1:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    That picture is what every guy looks like without money in the bank. Except it is the world holding the hatchet he he he

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  99. on April 30, 2009 at 1:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    Whats up obsid don’t think you can change the world it is not that hard.

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  100. on April 30, 2009 at 1:55 pm vulgarian

    Of course blacks get special treatment. Everyone knows that they can’t compete with whites and asians unless they have help.

    Or at least everyone gets that impression because of state sponsored racial discrimination. Regardless of anything else, AA makes all blacks look weak, even the highly qualified.

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  101. on April 30, 2009 at 2:04 pm Obsidian

    Don’t try to change the fact that clearly, if *anyone* gets special treatment, White Woemn get it, Vulgarian.

    I stand by what I said-there are clear quotas in place in schools and jobs wrt White Women. And, we know that ever White Woman aint qualified to be in that job-yet, as you’ve shown once more, the only way Affirmative Action is discussed, is within context of Black folks. A red herring since we all know that most White guys’ biggest competitors on the job are White Women, not some Black guy.

    So, you were saying?

    O

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  102. on April 30, 2009 at 2:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    Obsid there is no competition where I am at there are just minorities and me. lol

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  103. on April 30, 2009 at 2:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Every day they have a new spotlight of some minority for me to look at and how they are trying to help that minority in this challenging world.

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  104. on April 30, 2009 at 2:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    The minority talks about what clubs they join and how they are really into making minorities have more chances because you know their minorities and they should get some special consideration. They usually don’t talk about what they accomplished work wise just what they accomplished as far as making it so minority business is bought from minorities get jobs. Things like that. This is on a daily basis.

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  105. on April 30, 2009 at 2:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    And then I also get to hear the great obsid every day talking about how minorities are held back and you just don’t know how it feels to be a minority. Shit like that. Or you don’t know what its like to be a minority. Or how many minorities do you hang out with. It is becoming a farse dude. I vote to ban you from this site. As most people probably already have that shit shoved in there face every day. We don’t really need any more.

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  106. on April 30, 2009 at 2:40 pm Thursday

    And, we know that ever White Woman aint qualified to be in that job-yet, as you’ve shown once more, the only way Affirmative Action is discussed, is within context of Black folks.

    There isn’t a 15 point IQ gap between white men and white women (white men and white women have the same average IQ), so the difference in competence between white women promoted through AA and white men is a lot less noticable. I.e. white women don’t get nearly the boost from AA that blacks do.

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  107. on April 30, 2009 at 2:41 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Obsidian, please start a blog so I’ll have the option of not visiting it and be spared from your constant repetitious noise. At least the GNP guy and G Manifesto keep it relatively short, and don’t try to hijack every single post with their agendas.

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  108. on April 30, 2009 at 2:43 pm PA

    There isn’t a 15 point IQ gap between white men and white women

    True. But the real perfidious practice of AA for women is in professions in which there is a “15-point” physical ability gap between men and women, like military, firefighting, trades, and construction.

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  109. on April 30, 2009 at 3:04 pm Obsidian

    You know, its very interesting to see how, when another side to issues of race are broached, all of a sudden threads are “hijacked”, talk of banning an the like can be heard. How many threads have been peppered w/all manner of out and out derogatory commentary about Black folks in the name of “truth” and under the rubric of “science” have we seen? Far and away more than any that have contained my words, that’s for sure.

    What’s clear here is that its Ok to discuss Race so long as the only ones to do so are the properly approved groups, namely, White guys. While not all of them engage in such dialogue here, clearly enough do to make the observation valid.

    Its no accident that once prominent Black voices in this venue are now all but gone, and what, pray tell, could be the reason for that? It must also be said that quite a few non Black voices have had their fill of little more than what attempts to pass itself off as highbrow discourse in a kind of “race realist” drag.

    No, I will not desist in my observation and commentary. I didn’t start the trend. But I most certainly know how to add some flavor to it.

    What’s wrong fellas? Can’t handle lil ole me? 😉

    Going back to White Women and AA, please keep in mind that there are quotas in place for them both at the university levels and in terms of getting government business contracts, setasides its called. The same can be said for African Americans, but again noticed that only they are called out on the carept, not the former group.

    The question has to be-why?

    Comments, gentlemen?

    O

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  110. on April 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm Pupu

    Pupu decides to use the picture as her screen saver. It gives out a lot of positive cute energy!

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  111. on April 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm gig

    come on Obsidian!

    You, Chic and Nicole are among the Top-10 commenters here. Stop with this Its no accident that once prominent Black voices in this venue are now all but gone BS

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  112. on April 30, 2009 at 3:09 pm Thursday

    But the real perfidious practice of AA for women is in professions in which there is a “15-point” physical ability gap between men and women, like military, firefighting, trades, and construction.

    Very true. I think a lot of us white collar people here aren’t in those professions, so we aren’t as worked up about it. The guys who are in those professions probably do complain about it though.

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  113. on April 30, 2009 at 3:12 pm Mr.M

    When the main article is about Feb/Mar beta submissions and we’re talking about race/gender and equality, I think thats pretty much a derailed thread.

    I don’t know where exactly the thread was pulled in that direction, simply because discussions about race simply go nowhere (ie: not worth reading).

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  114. on April 30, 2009 at 3:13 pm SFG

    “f a woman’s income meets or exceeds your own, that will drastically increase the probability of her filing for divorce. Remember: a loser is a man that makes less money than the woman calling him a loser.”
    But then, don’t you get money from *her*? I don’t mind being called a loser if it fills my pocketbook 🙂 The principal risk of divorce (at least for those of us with weak drives for human affiliation) is financial. I’d rather be psychologically emasculated than financially enslaved.

    You’re probably right about them only submitting to alphas though. Well, I guess if I get too horny there’s always fatties.

    “Real men are old school.”
    There are probably some pretty alpha actors and i-bankers etc. who vote Democrat. But by and large I would say there is a correlation between dominance (extroversion plus low agreeableness) and fiscally conservative politics. If I make more money (usu =socially dominant) I am less likely to want to pay high taxes. So there are both psychological and financial incentives for alpha=Republican.

    The connection with social conservatism seems less self-interested. This is probably part of the whole ‘real man’ psychological complex…you have to admit traditional mores would really have cramped Roissy’s style. Even if most libertarians are geeks, libertarianism is probably the optimum philosophy for a Roissy; freedom means women will follow their ovaries and hindbrain into the arms of an alpha. Take away their chance to make a living and beta providers look much more attractive. So the alphas support systems that favor betas and the betas support systems that favor alphas. 😉 There’s a similar irony in that more alpha areas like Africa tend to lose out on the international scene to more beta areas like Europe. Sure Asians are beta…but that just means they’re more organized and will eventually overtake us on the global stage.

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  115. on April 30, 2009 at 3:17 pm Tarl

    There isn’t a 15 point IQ gap between white men and white women

    Griffe du Lion puts it at about 2.4 points in favor of men. =)

    But this does have implications:

    In Why g Matters (Intelligence, 24(1), 79–132), Linda Gottfredson estimates that a minimum IQ of 120 is needed to be competitive in “high-level” jobs. She cites research analyst and advertising manager as examples. The problem is that only 37% of the workforce meeting this test will be female. If, Gottfredson is correct, and a 120 IQ is a necessary condition for these jobs, g distributions will impose a soft ceiling on women in industry, not glass but statistical. According to EEOC, in 2003, 35.2% of”officials and managers” in the private sector were female — a number suspiciously close to 37%. Among federal employees, women held 66% of “management” jobs. But that is a story for another interview.

    You’ll also want to look at what he says about math aptitude.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/math.htm

    Mathematics is a man’s game. A gender gap appears early in life, blossoms with the onset of puberty and reaches full bloom by mid-adolescence. It indelibly shapes women’s prospects for doing significant mathematics. In this account of cognitive sex differences, Prodigy shows how sex-differentiated ability in 15 year-olds accounts for the exiguous female representation at the highest levels of mathematical research. A female Fields Medalist is predicted to surface once every 103 years.

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  116. on April 30, 2009 at 3:21 pm Obsidian

    Gig,
    No, I’m serious-T aka Ricky Raw has pretty much disappeared from this site, and while I haven’t discussed why w/him personally, one could infer, based on some of his last comments in this forum, that he was growing a bit weary of the race realist rhetoric.

    Chic’s recent appearances have been much pared down due to similar reasons. I cannot speak for Nicole one way or another.

    Then there are other known Black voices in the forum, several of whom have voiced their concerns along these lines if I’m not mistaken.

    But at any rate, even if all the above were not true, still the point stands-that the angst and concern over AA is quite peculiar, given the facts.

    O

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  117. on April 30, 2009 at 3:38 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “You know, its very interesting to see how, when another side to issues of race are broached, all of a sudden threads are “hijacked””

    No, it’s not interesting at all. And you bring it up a dozen times in every fucking thread. What do white women and affirmative action have to do with the Beta of the Month contest?

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  118. on April 30, 2009 at 3:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””Thursday
    But the real perfidious practice of AA for women is in professions in which there is a “15-point” physical ability gap between men and women, like military, firefighting, trades, and construction.

    Very true. I think a lot of us white collar people here aren’t in those professions, so we aren’t as worked up about it. The guys who are in those professions probably do complain about it though.””””””””””””””””””

    What profession can we go into that doesn’t have minority rights everywhere?

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  119. on April 30, 2009 at 3:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    Where can you go that you don’t get brainwashed.

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  120. on April 30, 2009 at 3:51 pm SFG

    Gunslinger: nowhere. If a gap exists, the feminists will get worked up about it and attacked. But we don’t have our own pressure group to fight for, say, more male nurses or teachers, or for women to be drafted.

    The problem is that there are traditional men on the right who want to get rid of the quotas and liberal men on the left who think equality should be applied across the board…but you’ll never get those two together, and that’s one of the reasons why there’s no men’s movement.

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  121. on April 30, 2009 at 3:53 pm SFG

    I think one of the problems is the chivalry of traditional men. They feel bad attacking women, which is why they don’t fight the women’s movement harder. On the other side you have the many bitter disadvantaged betas who get screwed, but we’re not organized enough as a group to start a counterattack.

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  122. on April 30, 2009 at 3:54 pm Thursday

    Some race realists, including some here, can be rude and meanspirited. Guys like Obsidian and T. are good people. I don’t always agree with them, but they often don’t deserve the treatment they get here.

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  123. on April 30, 2009 at 4:00 pm Obsidian

    Thanks, Thursday.

    Then they wonder *why* their movement can’t get no traction.

    O

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  124. on April 30, 2009 at 4:02 pm Tood

    Tood said :

    “3) Have GAME. Marriage does NOT mean you can forget about GAME!”

    To this, TokyoAllahKissed said :

    “Game is not necessary.”
    _____________________________________

    And yet, this Omega is puzzled as to why people consider him an Omega.

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  125. on April 30, 2009 at 4:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    I mean I showed this minority that got promoted into the job I was supposed to get. One of the spreadsheets I made so something was automatic. The minority is like who taught you to do that. I said I did. the minority no I mean who showed you how to use that. I was like I did. The minority said who showed you how to use excel. I was like I did. the minority could not comprehend someone who could create an original piece of work on their own. Not copied or shown from on high. Where the fuck do people think new ideas and processes come from? Someone has to create them from scratch.

    We should have already created nirvana but there is a monkey on our backs.

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  126. on April 30, 2009 at 4:05 pm Anonymous

    “So there are both psychological and financial incentives for alpha=Republican.”

    Old school Republican maybe, but ever since the GOP got hijacked by Christian conservatives, I can’t agree as much with that statement.

    Also, although Republicans are in favor of a more limited government, they are also heavily invested in maintaining the status quo. The err on the side of tradition as it keeps society serene. To me this doesn’t quite gel with an alpha outlook.

    Relying on God and/or social stability to maintain status detracts from alphaness.

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  127. on April 30, 2009 at 4:07 pm Tood

    “Remember: a loser is a man that makes less money than the woman calling him a loser.”

    Wrong. PUAs with game routinely bed women who make a lot more than them.

    Plus, the man does not lose money in such a divorce. If anything, the man is free to get someone younger, without financial cost.

    The dumbshits who say that women ‘marry up’ fail to see that it is the same as saying that men ‘want supermodels who don’t age’.

    Wanting something vs. all people always getting what they want are entirely different things.

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  128. on April 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm Tood

    No group is deserving of AA. Not white women, not black men, no one.

    AA harms all involved. It makes the group in question lose self-esteem (since everyone knows that their group had to get the bar lowered for them), and creates resentment among groups that did not have the bar lowered.

    AA = a disaster through and through.

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  129. on April 30, 2009 at 4:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””SFG
    Gunslinger: nowhere. If a gap exists, the feminists will get worked up about it and attacked. But we don’t have our own pressure group to fight for, say, more male nurses or teachers, or for women to be drafted.””””””””””””

    Yea why we need to move past the minority crap and make our families rich and create sanctuaries for our own blood.

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  130. on April 30, 2009 at 4:19 pm Boner Machine

    agreed. its obviously self-serving and frankly stupid to attribute alphaness as the exclusive territory of one political philosophy or that of one political political party. those who make that argument are generalizing about their own group and that of the “other” in opposite directions and in a manner which justifies their view of themselves.

    alpha/beta spectrum exists across the right-left political spectrum

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  131. on April 30, 2009 at 4:19 pm gig

    there was a race realist invasion of this on the last two or three months indeed. You can feel how bitter the comments are now. No matter how much I support race-realism, the bitterness of the majority of its proponents make it a self-defeating idea.

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  132. on April 30, 2009 at 4:20 pm Tood

    Again, a woman who makes $150K, and is age 32-33, has essentially shrunk away her pool of prospective husbands.

    Almost no men with decent options will ever marry a woman older than him.

    Thus, her pool has few candidates, and far too many women competing for these candidates.

    A woman who is 26 and makes $50K, has better marriage prospects than a woman who is 33 and makes $150K.

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  133. on April 30, 2009 at 4:21 pm Grim

    Frankly there is a lot of white anger over the bullshit we have seen with minorities being promoted and retained simply on the basis of the color of their skin. These incidents (no idea how wide spread they are) tends to color whites general view of all blacks, Latinos, ect.

    Personally I have learned a ton from guys like Obsidian, Dave from Hawaii, Ricky Raw, and many others. And I don’t give a fuck about the color of their skin or whatever the fuck race realism is.

    That being said, I would suggest we drop the race issue altogether. There are to many grievances on all side and quite frankly valuable knowledge about game/women is what these discussions should be about.

    Fuck worrying about the differences between people and focus on learning and sharing what works. Blame gets us nowhere, knowledge sets us free.

    And finally: I want to learn game, not whine about how unfair life is.

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  134. on April 30, 2009 at 4:22 pm Tood

    “alpha/beta spectrum exists across the right-left political spectrum”

    NO. While the right is not automatically Alpha, the left is distinctly non-Alpha, and the greatest purveyor of Beta/Omega memes.

    To suggest otherwise is simply another version of leftards trying to say Mao and Stalin were not left-wing (they were, and so was Hitler, as we established earlier).

    Left = Lesser beta/Omega.

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  135. on April 30, 2009 at 4:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    Really we should be having flying cars and everyone should be able to just have food to eat place to live basic nescessities, internet connection to be able to bullshit all day. With all the energy that is spent on talking, reading, and all the other shit dealing with minorities. This world is weak.

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  136. on April 30, 2009 at 4:44 pm Tood

    Here is how we usually descend into race talk :

    1) Someone comments how black/Latino men, in many cases, have more natural game than whites, who in turn have more than Asians.

    2) Thus, learning Game is more an uphill battle for whites and particularly Asians. Asians have superior Beta provider traits, but the value of this has gone down in this generation.

    3) This invariably leads to a discussion about which race has better looking women. The discussion devolves into whether black women are attractive enough to compete, whether Asian women have good enough asses, how white skin wrinkles the quickest and thus has the shortest window of desirability, how Aztec Mexican women don’t have feminine appeal, etc.

    ——up to here, these topics are still part of Game theory, and legitimate for Game discussion——

    But the wheels come off when people talk about race with regards to IQ, employment, historical oppression, etc. This descends into mudslinging. While it can be fun for a thread or two, after that, it is just tiresome and detracts from the quality of the discussion.

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  137. on April 30, 2009 at 5:08 pm Thursday

    Tood:

    Agreed. All of those race based topics are really interesting, but they have been done to death here. Time to move on.

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  138. on April 30, 2009 at 5:57 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian–

    Personally, I’m always struck by some of the most strident voices against (Black) Affirmative Action suddenly go to twisting themselves into all kinds of knots to justify it in the case of White Women. Funny that.

    Certainly not me. I’m adamantly opposed to it for women. I more against it for women than for blacks in fact. I’m opposed to all kinds of AA for women, including the softer kinds – e.g. much greater outreach efforts, always favoring women in a true coin flip situation, and so on.

    For example if women doctors tend to work part time more than men do, then I think it’s legitimate to prefer male to female doctors in your clinic, etc., especially in some specialties.

    My biggest reason though is that I think both men and women are usually happier when the man makes more money and has higher status. Affirmative action for women works directly against this, and by now we’re far past the point where it’s really no issue. It is an issue.

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  139. on April 30, 2009 at 5:58 pm Fabian

    Obsidian

    Personally, I’m always struck by some of the most strident voices against (Black) Affirmative Action suddenly go to twisting themselves into all kinds of knots to justify it in the case of White Women. Funny that.

    O

    O- You’re absolutely right. We can’t even begin to discuss ending affirmative action for blacks until we address it for white females. I think your explanation – white fear of losing the pussy – is also accurate.

    Quite frankly, I’m getting disgusted with all the “race realist” crap getting posted here. I’ve said it before, and I’ve been ignored, but I’ll say it again: “evolutionary psychology” is pseudoscience because there are too many confounding variables in human behavior to distill anything exclusively down to genes. Evo psych leads to a very dark place when carried to its logical conclusion – eugenics, “racial purity”, Adolf Hitler. With regard to the IQ difference between black and whites, there are too many confounding variables to say the difference is caused by race alone. Hell, a good portion of the difference in inner city kids can be explained by the prevalence of leaded paint in older homes occupied there. When you add single parenthood and all the dysfunction that entails, anger (justified or not) at past treatment, and all the rest of it, I think the IQ difference is perfectly explainable outside the genetic realm. And this is coming from a conservative white guy. That I even have to say that I’m a “good conservative” as opposed to some of the others out there bothers me. Based on some of the crap so-called conservatives write on this blog sometimes, it’s probably smart for me to cover my bases.

    O, you consistently have great comments about Game and many other things. Don’t leave just because a few blockheads say some dumb shit.

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  140. on April 30, 2009 at 6:00 pm whiskey

    I would agree (and have blogged on this issue) that for White Women, their benefit of AA accounts for their support.

    Broadly speaking, most White Women absolutely detest most White Men, for “beta” related reasons and because White Men are seen (accurately) as competitors in the workplace.

    Roissy’s “Marry/Shag/Kill” game gets that response not just from sexual revulsion but also deep competition professionally. Black and Hispanic men and women, Asians too, are not seen as workplace competitors by White Women.

    Obsidian is absolutely correct that White Women support AA, and their benefits are deeper than just their own advancement, AA also removes the Beta Male. From their lives, which all Women desire, really.

    Culturally, White men have really only three modes of behavior: Roissy type hedonism, which requires both natural outgoing abilities and high social skills, as Game can only help not provide magic bullets; Beta Male supplication, ala most of the candidates here; and variations of angry disengagement.

    I’d say it’s likely that the Beta Male guy who gets inevitably cheated on by his feminist bride will eventually fall into the latter category. For whatever reasons, you find relatively FEW Black Beta Males, Latino Beta Males, or White British Underclass Beta males. You will find lots of Asian Beta Males, but almost none in the “traditional” areas of China, the Philippines, Vietnam, etc.

    Only Japan has a weird amalgam of some VERY un-Beta and traditional Men, and some very, very, very Beta guys. Meanwhile you find Beta-Maleness in Asian men who grow up in the US, while it’s very rare among say, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino immigrants. Particularly those close to traditional cultures.

    My guess is that levels of wealth and adjustment to White majority (i.e. White Women’s views) of male-female relationships causes most men to warp themselves into Betas thinking this is what Women really want. The anger and bitterness comes from realizing how duped they were later.

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  141. on April 30, 2009 at 6:03 pm Fabian

    Obsidian-

    I must add to my post above, by saying that sometimes you bait the “race realists” with some of the stuff you say about “white folks aways…this, or that”. I think this blog is at its best when it sticks to the topic we all primarily come here for – how to score the pussy.

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  142. on April 30, 2009 at 6:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Plus whats obsidian gonna teach either how to be a bad slave or a good slave. I don’t want to be a slave at all. Already know how to be a good slave. I want to be free. I want to learn from people who are free. I want to copy people who are free.

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  143. on April 30, 2009 at 6:04 pm dougjnn

    SFG

    but doesn’t a higher salary on her part limit her ability to collect alimony. I understand if she actually makes more money than you, you can hit HER up for alimony…and nothing sweeter than that, seems to me

    Yes. But it has no effect in most states and only a little effect in Cali on the amount of child support = alimony you will have to pay. Child support is especially = alimony if you make a professional level income (or more).

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  144. on April 30, 2009 at 6:04 pm Tood

    Affirmative Action should be ended for ALL groups. Period.

    It is a stupid idea, that causes exactly the opposite outcome that it claims to want.

    One great thing about Brazil is that they started breeding interracially long ago. Thus, there are more mixed-race people than any other type. Everyone has both white and black relatives, and everything in between.

    In America, if there were more half-breeds, the lines would blur and the phony divisions that are artificially magnified for special-interest profit would ease.

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  145. on April 30, 2009 at 6:06 pm Tood

    Don’t women doctors have huge student loans to pay? How can they work part-time?

    The thing is, female doctors have a greatly reduced marriage pool available to them. The only husbands they will settle for are other doctors, or corporate executives. This becomes hard given how much other competition exists for these men, particularly if the female doctor is 30+.

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  146. on April 30, 2009 at 6:09 pm dougjnn

    Whiskey

    Broadly speaking, most White Women absolutely detest most White Men, for “beta” related reasons and because White Men are seen (accurately) as competitors in the workplace.

    That’s just ridiculous Whiskey.

    The only truth to it at all is if and to the extent that those beta males come on to her sexually. Actually many women don’t mind or in fact like acknowledgment of their attractiveness from betas who aren’t too far down the pecking order so long as they don’t act like they have a chance when they clearly don’t.

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  147. on April 30, 2009 at 6:09 pm Tood

    “Yes. But it has no effect in most states and only a little effect in Cali on the amount of child support = alimony you will have to pay. Child support is especially = alimony if you make a professional level income (or more).”

    Wait – if the husband and wife both make $100K, why would the husband still have to pay child support? I don’t think that is the case in CA.

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  148. on April 30, 2009 at 6:21 pm dougjnn

    Tood–

    The thing is, female doctors have a greatly reduced marriage pool available to them. The only husbands they will settle for are other doctors, or corporate executives.

    I’d love to hear Rum (who’s a doctor) comment on this.

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  149. on April 30, 2009 at 6:22 pm anony

    For example if women doctors tend to work part time more than men do, then I think it’s legitimate to prefer male to female doctors in your clinic, etc., especially in some specialties.

    In many specialties, it’s the patients asking for, or preferring female doctors, so women physicians can choose the lifestyle and work commitment they want, and still be in tremendous demand.

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  150. on April 30, 2009 at 6:24 pm anony

    It’s uncommon for women physicians to be unmarried. The only ones I know are quite obese, and again, that’s rare.

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  151. on April 30, 2009 at 6:25 pm dougjnn

    Tood–

    Wait – if the husband and wife both make $100K, why would the husband still have to pay child support? I don’t think that is the case in CA.

    If she has primary custody he will have to, including in Cali. Cali does have a complicated formula that does take the wife’s earnings into account to some extent (unlike almost all other states), but only a little. There are sites online that model the formula and let you plug in different monthly incomes for divorcing wives and husbands, and percentage of child time in the custody of each.

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  152. on April 30, 2009 at 6:27 pm Tood

    I don’t think female doctors working part-time is a major constraint on doctor labor supply. All professions have some women who opt for part-time.

    Plus, for a woman who wants to be at home with kids, medicine makes it easy to actually be part-time. MBAs and Lawyer women can’t do that, and thus some stop working altogether, and not by first-choice.

    Also, there are many immigrant doctors. In fact, it takes fewer years to become a doctor if you go through a foreign education process than a US one. In the US, it is 4 + 4 + residency, whereas in many countries, it is just 5 + residency, thus saving 3 years. Quite a few Americans study in overseas medschools for this reason.

    The US Government is stupid to not increase the issuance of greencards to more foreign doctors. They are law-abiding people who pay taxes, and will increase the doctor supply.

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  153. on April 30, 2009 at 6:29 pm anony

    Don’t women doctors have huge student loans to pay?

    Yes, they do. To generalize, I see women docs more easily settle for a simpler lifestyle. A few have stay-at-home husbands, and feel some burden to ensure the family income. Some have husbands who make more, or equal to them. Mostly, I’d say the women docs just more readily OK with a part-time income lifestyle.

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  154. on April 30, 2009 at 6:31 pm Tood

    Dougjnn,

    So is custody a function of how much time a child spends with each parent?

    Is joint custody the norm, or does the woman get the kids, even if the husband has no record of poor behavior?

    I somehow doubt that if both the husband and wife make $100K, that the arrangement post-divorce will be that the wife now makes $165K (her income + child support) while the man is now at $35K. Horror story anecdotes exist, but I am interested in averages.

    Alimony and child support are incompatible with the ‘no-fault’ concept. Feminists and divorce lawyers probably can hardly believe their luck in terms of men not fighting this more.

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  155. on April 30, 2009 at 6:33 pm PA

    Thursday – I think a lot of us white collar people here aren’t in those professions, so we aren’t as worked up about it. The guys who are in those professions probably do complain about it though.

    One other place that does have AA for women that can get middle class guys pissed off is Title IX in sports. It’s an evil thing. I’ve known guys in college who were affected by minor sports like wrestling being cut to acommodate bullshit women’s sports in which there was no interest. (It’s a US thing, so maybe it isn’t well known in Canada)

    Obsidian — I’m serious-T aka Ricky Raw has pretty much disappeared from this site, […] Chic’s recent appearances have been much pared down due to similar reasons. I cannot speak for Nicole one way or another.

    Isn’t there one more prominent and very active black commenter you’re forgetting? 🙂

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  156. on April 30, 2009 at 6:36 pm dougjnn

    Whiskey —

    Culturally, White men have really only three modes of behavior: Roissy type hedonism, which requires both natural outgoing abilities and high social skills, as Game can only help not provide magic bullets; Beta Male supplication, ala most of the candidates here; and variations of angry disengagement.

    This is ridiculous as well. Men can be alpha without chasing tons of women, or making getting big numbers or high turnover what they primarily focus on in their lives. Or they can go through a chase and nab stage, and then a monogamous relationship one, or have several committed relationships in succession and then perhaps live with someone (or marrying – with a prenup if they’re smart).

    As well higher betas do have success with women. Just not as much as alphas do. Learning some game, or unlearning some feminism and chivalry, or both, can do these guys a ton of good including in their committed relationships.

    The alpha/beta dichotomy is too sharp, as Roissy himself acknowledges, or points out, from time to time. It’s greatest salience is probably in the classic singles bar pickup scene, or venues that are similar.

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  157. on April 30, 2009 at 6:37 pm PA

    Culturally, White men have really only three modes of behavior: Roissy type hedonism, which requires both natural outgoing abilities and high social skills, as Game can only help not provide magic bullets; Beta Male supplication, ala most of the candidates here; and variations of angry disengagement.

    I am in none of those categories. Am I an outlier?

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  158. on April 30, 2009 at 6:37 pm Bhetti

    No time for commentary but here’re some papers of interest regarding women and medicine (UK based although general points made):
    Yes, too many: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/336/7647/748
    No, too little: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/336/7647/749
    Also a diagram here illustrating total amount of women going up, but no change in the relative proportion in each specialty (need to register to access): http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/336/7647/749

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  159. on April 30, 2009 at 6:37 pm anony

    @Todd,
    re: disparate incomes in divorce.
    This one I can state with detail.
    Wife income = $250,000 (physician)
    Husband = print journalism , don’t know his income
    Settlement = she paid him $20,000/year X 3 years for his sacrifices during their marriage. He used it to attend pro golf school.

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  160. on April 30, 2009 at 6:39 pm Tood

    “This is ridiculous as well. Men can be alpha without chasing tons of women, or making getting big numbers or high turnover what they primarily focus on in their lives. ”

    Agreed. There are still alpha family men across America. This is possible because their wife has small-town and/or Christian values. These men become pillars of their community.

    Todd Palin is alpha. Even though his wife out-earns him and is more famous than him, he is still an alpha male.

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  161. on April 30, 2009 at 6:40 pm Bhetti

    PA: Would that make Polish culture an outlier?

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  162. on April 30, 2009 at 6:41 pm Bhetti

    PA: DA!

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  163. on April 30, 2009 at 6:42 pm Tood

    anony,

    So, your example is a good one to point out that :

    1) A high-income doctor woman will settle for a lower-income man. The belief that ‘women only marry up’ does not hold when her income becomes so high, and her age crosses 30, that her choices dwindle.

    2) A man can get money from a higher-income wife.

    Did they have kids? How many years were they married?

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  164. on April 30, 2009 at 6:43 pm Cicero

    Regarding Obsidian,

    Perhaps this link will explain his intransigence: http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2009/03/blacks-think-they-are-smartest.html

    It seems like all this whining and complaining about “race realism” basically boils down to guys like Obsidian feeling hurt or something by the cold, hard data.

    Is it black pride or something? Is it that hard to just admit the facts about racial differences grounded in genetics? The act of admitting this doesn’t change anything about you as an individual by the way.

    Obsidian and others think that “race realists” are just old racists with old racist ideas that couch their arguments in contemporary science. The fact of the matter is that guys like Obsidian and their sociological and cultural rationalizations and explanations for everything are the ones with old, discredited ideas.

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  165. on April 30, 2009 at 6:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””Anon,
    He used it to attend pro golf school.””””””””””””””

    See what you can do with 20k a year lol So just save a few pennies and make that and then you are free.

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  166. on April 30, 2009 at 6:46 pm PA

    — The alpha/beta dichotomy is too sharp,

    Here I will disagree with you Doug. It is a sharp line. No, women don’t go around with Geiger counters, reading “bzzz, bzzz alpha, beta, beta, beta, alpha, beta…”

    Actually, they do — a guy in their perception will either be one they get giggly and cutesy with, or he won’t be.

    I’ve seen the difference in my nice-guy beta days (my 20s) between my everyday shy/nice behavior and my occasional flashes of natural alphahood.

    Or today, when I was training a young intern at work — I’m laying on the humor and the negs, faux-yelling at her like she’s a clumsy little girl:

    “NO, that was TOTALLY wrong! do it again” giving her faux-naughty looks, leaning into her personal space to check her efforts (without her withdrawing herself one bit) and so on. She was a sea of giggles with brightly lit eyes.

    But — if I were in my shy “respect women” mode, she’d have been polite to me, while finding me creepy if I made even the slightest, most unintentional gesture that even hinted of sexual interest on my part.

    So yeah, there is a sharp alpha-beta line: will she, or will she not, allow him to get close.

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  167. on April 30, 2009 at 6:48 pm Bhetti

    I say ‘papers’, I meant articles. If this looks mystifying, it will all make sense once my comment gets moderated.

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  168. on April 30, 2009 at 6:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is what I am talking about. Anon just came up with the beginning of a profound fucking idea. Get to where you make 20k a year without being a slave and you can accomplish some shit.

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  169. on April 30, 2009 at 6:50 pm dougjnn

    PA–

    I am in none of those categories. Am I an outlier?

    You came immediately to my mind when I started writing a rejoinder to Whiskey. As did myself to some degree (I’ve had different phases, and gone back and forth). And others.

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  170. on April 30, 2009 at 6:50 pm anony

    @Todd,

    When a woman is comfortable with her own income, she doesn’t value spouse income as much. She will value other things, like intelligence, character, outlook on life.

    The woman I described above has remarried a clinical phsychologist; I think he makes about $100,000.

    they had no children, and were married maybe 5 years.

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  171. on April 30, 2009 at 6:51 pm PA

    Bhetti — PA: DA!

    Yes! odd that Obsidian forgot him. I’m sure he didn’t mean to. As quirky and self-admittedly beta David is, he’s represents well. He’d do any ethnic group proud.

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  172. on April 30, 2009 at 6:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    This is something that transends race. Anyone who can get to the point where they have 20k a year rolling in has a certain level of freedom attained. Does not matter what their color is.

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  173. on April 30, 2009 at 6:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    To apply that to game they now have all day every day to pick up woman if they where so inclined. Any person any race. Doesn’t matter.

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  174. on April 30, 2009 at 6:55 pm anony

    @Tood,
    I think the key for a man married to a higher income woman is to not put pressure on her to make lots of money. She wants free time with her children, vacation time, and lots of options. Another wife-doctor marriage I am familiar with, fell apart, in part because he purchased a LOT of expensive cars. Racing is his passion, and she felt she was working in part, to subsidize his race cars. I know that was part of the conflict.

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  175. on April 30, 2009 at 6:59 pm anony

    I think Roissy has never mentioned the importance of intelligence to attract a woman. He takes it for granted because he is intelligent and his followers here are intelligent.

    A woman whose identity is tied up in her intelligence can not even begin to see a man as attractive unless she knows he’s intelligent. That’s why he routinely states that some high-achieving women are easy to game: because they rarely find their match. When they do , they are vulnerable, and less experienced with men.

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  176. on April 30, 2009 at 7:05 pm dougjnn

    PA —

    I noticed a huge difference too when I figured out from trial and error and observing others how gold teasing with an edge to it (what PUAs call negging) can be, when added to lots of cocky confidence and social proof. And not backing down, and so on, though I’d never done a lot of that. I’ve always been able to talk about a ton of different things.

    It’s just that even in my nice guy higher beta days I could and did get very attractive girls sometimes. Just not nearly as reliably or usually as easily. There were some occasions when a hottie fell into my lap. Thinking back it was probably a case of the circumstances making it easy for me to act actually alpha, while I wouldn’t have known how to in more challenging first meeting ones.

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  177. on April 30, 2009 at 7:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think I am going to bang my new boss at work she is in the shock and awe phase now. As in she is shocked and awed by me lol

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  178. on April 30, 2009 at 7:14 pm Gofer

    Tood

    “This is ridiculous as well. Men can be alpha without chasing tons of women, or making getting big numbers or high turnover what they primarily focus on in their lives. ”

    Agreed. There are still alpha family men across America. This is possible because their wife has small-town and/or Christian values. These men become pillars of their community.

    Todd Palin is alpha. Even though his wife out-earns him and is more famous than him, he is still an alpha male.

    Todd Palin is a loser who looks like a female-to-male transsexual. His wife supposedly cheated on her with his colleague. He managed to raise a drug-addicted slut daughter and a son who vandalized a school bus. Don’t give me that bullshit about small-town values. The Palins prove that small-town dipshits need to get off their moral high-horse. And Tood, aren’t you the guy who pushes a vegetarian diet? Way to help masculinity there!

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  179. on April 30, 2009 at 7:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then it phase two wtf how can one man have this much social proof and I can’t get him.

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  180. on April 30, 2009 at 7:20 pm Rum

    Re: Female MDs.

    There are always outliers to any generalization but imho this is a fair picture of the reality in the spring of 2009
    1. Over 35, divorced with a kid or 2 = huge vet bills for cat care. If there is a reasonable level of residual hotness they often have a fuck-buddy somewhere but remarriage is not seen as realistic.
    2. Single, childless under 35 = highly variable. Likely to eventually marry but not to another Doc. Usually engineer-types and a surprising number of policemen. These women are much of the feed-stock going into category #1.
    3. Under 30, still in training. = Medical trainees are normally in a state of hyper-prolonged adolelescence and often do not think ahead much past finishing training. This is where connections get made to class-mates if they ever get made.

    As I have said, replacing guys Medicine with lots of females has been great for full-time partners in groups because we can negotiate higher fees from insurance companies due to the disappearance of so much of our competition. See, women Docs are not the competition, they are what eliminates our competition.
    Much the same thing has happened in Britain. A smart, eager guy can make a very good living doing private practice as people despair of getting top service from the under-staffed and slow-moving NHS.

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  181. on April 30, 2009 at 7:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then it is stage three hate why can’t I do what he can. How come he is not fucking me.

    Any way to avoid this without fucking the bitch.

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  182. on April 30, 2009 at 7:28 pm dougjnn

    Tood–

    I somehow doubt that if both the husband and wife make $100K, that the arrangement post-divorce will be that the wife now makes $165K (her income + child support) while the man is now at $35K. Horror story anecdotes exist, but I am interested in averages.

    You example is too extreme but that is the sort of thing that happens.

    She would “make” about 125k with the child support for two kids (or 130k depending on the state) and he’d be left with 75k. However after tax (assuming an average federal and state tax rate of a rather low 25% for simplicity) she’d have 100k while he’d be left with 50k. (Child support isn’t deductible for him or taxable for her.)

    He wouldn’t have alimony tacked on in your example though.

    Yes things really are this bad.

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  183. on April 30, 2009 at 7:35 pm dougjnn

    Anony —

    I think the key for a man married to a higher income woman is to not put pressure on her to make lots of money. She wants free time with her children, vacation time, and lots of options. Another wife-doctor marriage I am familiar with, fell apart, in part because he purchased a LOT of expensive cars. Racing is his passion, and she felt she was working in part, to subsidize his race cars. I know that was part of the conflict.

    Yet high income men are expected by current American culture to not complain when they are working in part to subsidize a needlessly huge and expense house, or a mondo kitchen remodeling, tons of heavily for the experience shopping, and so on.

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  184. on April 30, 2009 at 7:38 pm dougjnn

    Rum–

    See, women Docs are not the competition, they are what eliminates our competition.

    I’m not following this.

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  185. on April 30, 2009 at 7:39 pm Tood

    DougJnn,

    So child support for 2 kids is just $25-30K, in this example?

    That isn’t *too* bad, especially if the kids are past the toddler stage.

    But child support cannot be blocked by a pre-nup. THAT is the kicker.

    Also, I thought child-support was from pre-tax income (but I could be wrong). If you are right, then that is even more screwed up.

    More than anything, this appears to be a scheme by leftists to make sure money is taxed multiple times. Child-support is taxed twice (if you are right). Divorced people pay more taxes combined than if they were single. They have to buy twice of many things (vacuum cleaners, cars, etc.), so sales taxes rise.

    See the pattern here? Everything is about taxing people a second or third time.

    For all the ‘economic stimulus’ talk that Borat Hussein Osama spouts, the single biggest stimulus that the US economy could have is to make the divorce laws less biased. That would shrink the divorce rate, increase the savings rate, reduce money wasted on lawyers, and reduce the number of children who grow up to be burdens to the system.

    If they really want to stimulate the economy, that is it.

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  186. on April 30, 2009 at 7:52 pm dougjnn

    Tood

    So child support for 2 kids is just $25-30K, in this example?

    I think it runs from 25-33% of BEFORE TAX income depending on the state.

    You don’t think a situation where after child support for two kids a wife earning the same amount ends up with twice as much money as her ex husband is bad? And remember, I used the LOW end of the percentage child support range for two kids.

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  187. on April 30, 2009 at 7:52 pm dougjnn

    Tood —

    Also, I thought child-support was from pre-tax income (but I could be wrong). If you are right, then that is even more screwed up.

    It is.

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  188. on April 30, 2009 at 7:55 pm Rum

    Women docs work about 1/2 as much as guys over their careers but they take a guys spot in Med School/Training slots. IOWs, the more women enter medicine, the greater the shortfall from the numbers working if they were all men. It is very much a zero-sum affair. There are only so many slots..

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  189. on April 30, 2009 at 7:55 pm Tood

    Yet high income men are expected by current American culture to not complain when they are working in part to subsidize a needlessly

    Yep. This was true before the modern era, but now that the state is effectively re-affirming this value system, disaster ensues.

    That is why I cannot say enough times that feminists are THE most hypocritical group on the planet. Bar none.

    The bubble is peaking, however. It will pop by 2020. This is because :

    1) 3-D/VR video game sex with immersive tactile interfaces, while imperfect, will be compelling enough by 2020 for lesser Betas to spend time here. A virtual 10 is still better than a real 5 or 6 that they would be stuck with.

    2) Muslims and Mexicans outbreed SWPL feminists by a tremendous margin.

    3) Disgruntled men will band together and start taking things by force, usually from single women. Other, law-abiding men will still be quietly approving of this.

    4) Rudimentary Sexbots. A similar effect to point 1). Even sexbots for $100K, that are too expensive for most men, will disrupt the dynamic to the benefit of men who don’t own sexbots.

    5) Game. Game matters, contrary to what TokyoAllahKissed thinks.

    So the backlash will be severe.

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  190. on April 30, 2009 at 7:59 pm whiskey

    PA I think you ARE an outlier.

    Speaking culturally, there are only a few roles available to guys.

    Lloyd Dobler, Ducky, etc. and their emo inheritors (god how I hate those guys).
    Charlie Sheen.
    The nerdy brother on Two and A Half Men.

    Those are the cultural models. Yes a number of guys fall into none of those categories, but that’s social reality of what boxes women put men into.

    And oh yeah, women HATE the Beta male. It’s not just shy guy lust (as PA points out, women HATE it from Beta guys) but that the shy guys is her equal and competitor as well as the guy lusting after her.

    It’s revealing that in the gay/female ghetto that is TV and most romantic movies, any time a workplace guy has a romance with a workplace woman, he’s always clearly “Alpha” and the dominant guy controlling other guys, the leader. One who notably does not dote on women, quite the reverse.

    I couldn’t think of a stronger indicator of female preference.

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  191. on April 30, 2009 at 8:12 pm Tood

    “You don’t think a situation where after child support for two kids a wife earning the same amount ends up with twice as much money as her ex husband is bad? ”

    It is bad. I just thought it was even worse.

    Plus, what determines custody?

    Also, since a pre-nup doesn’t block child support, and child-support has been increased to get around pre-nups, what recourse is there?

    Should a man never marry (and thus never have children), even with a pre-nup?

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  192. on April 30, 2009 at 8:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Naa Tood become financially free then bang as many woman as you can to get them all preggers that is how you beat system. Or at least that is what it seems like is wanted lol

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  193. on April 30, 2009 at 8:17 pm JAM


    Re: Female MDs.

    There are always outliers to any generalization but imho this is a fair picture of the reality in the spring of 2009
    1. Over 35, divorced with a kid or 2 = huge vet bills for cat care. If there is a reasonable level of residual hotness they often have a fuck-buddy somewhere but remarriage is not seen as realistic.
    2. Single, childless under 35 = highly variable. Likely to eventually marry but not to another Doc. Usually engineer-types and a surprising number of policemen. These women are much of the feed-stock going into category #1.
    3. Under 30, still in training. = Medical trainees are normally in a state of hyper-prolonged adolelescence and often do not think ahead much past finishing training. This is where connections get made to class-mates if they ever get made.

    Rum — I completely agree with your analysis.

    There are a couple funny (well, funny “interesting” not funny “haha”) situations that I myself have seen arising amongst the medical circles I occasionally visit:

    1) An older woman who married a slightly younger musician making no money because her clock was running out. Yes he is a good father, but she clearly jumped on the last boat sailing. BTW – he’s the one taking care of the kids.

    2) The *OB/GYN* who was obviously hot in her twenties but who at 35+ is basically now guaranteed to never marry due to the career track she’s taken… but gets happy mothers and babies shoved in her face every day at work.

    3) The overweight (thanks anony) internal meds, peds and family docs who aren’t getting anywhere, and have their high income handicapping them.

    It’s true that some people prefer female docs for some things (peds, ob/gyn) but these specialties are few. Personally, I would never go to a female family doctor, though that’s more because I prefer explaining embarrassing facts to another gruff, no nonsense dude. I’d be curious about how it all balances out. Anyone have objective stats on this?

    Of course, as others on this thread have commented (and I agree with), trying to get an appointment with a doctor who works 3 days a week can be a challenge. Another reason not to have a female doctor as your primary care physician, unless she’s childless or her kids are older or grown-up.

    The saddest ones of all, though, are the second generation immigrant families, whose parents sacrificed and worked exceptionally hard to put them through med school… but they never learned the skills they needed to attract the opposite sex. So the first generation is stuck with no hope of a third generation.

    A woman whose identity is tied up in her intelligence can not even begin to see a man as attractive unless she knows he’s intelligent. That’s why he routinely states that some high-achieving women are easy to game: because they rarely find their match. When they do , they are vulnerable, and less experienced with men.

    I totally agree with this. Let’s not forget where we stand. Cognitive stratification indeed.

    A significant subset of female doctors have low notch counts. We’re talking 1 or less here. Part and parcel of having your nose in a book all the time. If you get them while in training (and you have the alpha status to back it up, with higher income, charm, sophistication, etc.), these girls make excellent, non-damaged companions for late bloomers. You can even get them to agree to have a large family with you. Bonus: most come from intact families. Double Bonus: they are often accomplished in many other ways (gotta have something to put on the med school app). Triple Bonus: high IQ in her means you won’t have as much regression to the mean in the F1.

    That’s what happened to me.

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  194. on April 30, 2009 at 8:36 pm David Alexander

    It makes the group in question lose self-esteem (since everyone knows that their group had to get the bar lowered for them), and creates resentment among groups that did not have the bar lowered.

    On the flipside, you have the problem that these groups become under represented, and they become angry when there are few doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, and other high ranking professionals that are of their racial or ethnic group. The effect is exacerbated if the group is lumped in the lowest rungs with low pay.

    In America, if there were more half-breeds, the lines would blur and the phony divisions that are artificially magnified for special-interest profit would ease.

    Well, some race realists and guys like PA would freak out over the loss of their ethnicity’s physical appearance.

    Mind you, I don’t see that happening if people view non-Asian minorities as inferior and useless.

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  195. on April 30, 2009 at 8:54 pm Welmer

    Whiskey

    It’s revealing that in the gay/female ghetto that is TV and most romantic movies, any time a workplace guy has a romance with a workplace woman, he’s always clearly “Alpha” and the dominant guy controlling other guys, the leader. One who notably does not dote on women, quite the reverse.

    I couldn’t think of a stronger indicator of female preference.

    Yeah, where’s the place for guys who actually like hanging out with each other, and don’t want to dominate so much as cooperate for a greater good? I’m not sure women can even begin to comprehend that.

    I’ve always had a special kind of contempt for guys who knife each other in the back over women, or who would snark away to push their fellows down. All too common these days.

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  196. on April 30, 2009 at 8:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    DA you think you are inferior and useless. Get out of the slave mentality and become free.

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  197. on April 30, 2009 at 8:56 pm Jack

    “Disgruntled men will band together and start taking things by force, usually from single women. Other, law-abiding men will still be quietly approving of this. ”

    I can’t wait for this. Unfortunately, it would need to get a lot worse first.

    “That’s just ridiculous Whiskey.

    The only truth to it at all is if and to the extent that those beta males come on to her sexually. Actually many women don’t mind or in fact like acknowledgment of their attractiveness from betas who aren’t too far down the pecking order so long as they don’t act like they have a chance when they clearly don’t.”

    This actually proves Whiskey’s point. “Beta males” have as much of a right to come on to any female as anyone else does. And if she is not willing to give them a “chance” – then that’s just as bad as hating them. Women are useless without the chance of sex.

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  198. on April 30, 2009 at 9:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Welmer sometimes you have to beat the shit out of someone in order to be able to talk rationally.

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  199. on April 30, 2009 at 9:01 pm dougjnn

    Tood–

    If in your example of two spouses earning the same 100K, if they were in a state that assessed 33% of his pre tax income for two kids, then she’d have 133k coming in and he’d have 67k. After federal and state tax at an average 25% she’d have 108k and he’d have only 42k still coming in. That’s about a 45% decrease in his after tax income. (In the 25% child support case, it’s works out to a 33% decreased.)

    I’d call that awful.

    It’s essentially as much as the traffic will bear. That’s literally how it was established, in the middle middle and low middle income male income case.

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  200. on April 30, 2009 at 9:05 pm David Alexander

    The overweight (thanks anony) internal meds, peds and family docs who aren’t getting anywhere, and have their high income handicapping them.

    And oh yeah, women HATE the Beta male.

    So why do females keep talking to me? 🙂

    It’s revealing that in the gay/female ghetto that is TV and most romantic movies, any time a workplace guy has a romance with a workplace woman, he’s always clearly “Alpha” and the dominant guy controlling other guys, the leader. One who notably does not dote on women, quite the reverse.

    Yes, since I’d write a story or direct a movie where a guy falls in love with his fat, ugly wife that’s ten years older than him. The best part is that story would earn millions of dollars since men want to see and hear about such relationships, right? No male ever wants to watch a man bang hot women…

    Just as how men would never watch a movie or TV show based on the scenario described above, women will not watch a show where she is romantically involved with betas. We watch fiction as an escape from our lives, not as a terrible reminder of it.

    I thought child-support was from pre-tax income

    I am not an accountant or a half-assed policy wonk, but if child support is taken pre-tax, doesn’t that reduce one’s tax burden? In other words, instead of being taxed at $1000, one is taxed at $1000-X, X being the wages garnished for child support? In that regard, it’s no different from a 401k, health savings account, or TransitCheck in that regard.

    the single biggest stimulus that the US economy could have is to make the divorce laws less biased

    In theory, reducing child support may simply change the incentive for some women from divorce to cuckholdry to maintain living standards. The funny part is that most males would put up with it primarily because after a divorce, unless one has game, the male is still a beta with little ability to attract a woman.

    Of course, there’s always the possibility that women will simply avoid marriage and just play alphahunt and become a single mother.

    Regardless, changing divorce laws will not really change the fact that women are not and will never be truly attracted to their beta husbands, and some women may be willing enough to abandon their husbands (and their useless beta spawn) for alpha cock.

    high income men are expected by current American culture to not complain

    That’s funny, Whiskey thinks I should shut up and sacrifice myself in exchange for nothing. And no, having boring married people sex with an aging wife and having to support her financially is not a reward, but merely again, a sacrfice given that I could get a better orgasm from masturbation.

    I’d rather hand over 10% of my paycheck over to a single mom (who fucks only alphas) at work who is much more appreciative of my efforts than a wife. The single mom may not give me anything in return, but I’d probably feel happy that I helped somebody. In contrast, my wife will leave me with a feeling of bitterness.

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  201. on April 30, 2009 at 9:14 pm dougjnn

    JAM–

    A significant subset of female doctors have low notch counts. We’re talking 1 or less here. Part and parcel of having your nose in a book all the time. If you get them while in training (and you have the alpha status to back it up, with higher income, charm, sophistication, etc.), these girls make excellent, non-damaged companions for late bloomers. You can even get them to agree to have a large family with you. Bonus: most come from intact families. Double Bonus: they are often accomplished in many other ways (gotta have something to put on the med school app). Triple Bonus: high IQ in her means you won’t have as much regression to the mean in the F1.

    Makes sense. Never dated a med student or doc myself. Just didn’t run into them.

    That’s what happened to me.

    Congrats.

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  202. on April 30, 2009 at 9:18 pm dougjnn

    DA

    I am not an accountant or a half-assed policy wonk, but if child support is taken pre-tax, doesn’t that reduce one’s tax burden?

    No.

    It’s not tax deductible to the man or taxable to the woman.

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  203. on April 30, 2009 at 9:24 pm anony

    and a surprising number of policemen.

    @jam
    I’ll agree with that heartily. Policemen (exceptionally intelligent ones) fill in the character deficits that women docs have. They share the “working in a fishbowl” experience. I’ve had many crushes on male police officers, and in residency I was invtied to the bar that the police department hung out at , and felt comfortable there. Similarly, I’ve always felt a natural kinship with female police officers.

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  204. on April 30, 2009 at 9:30 pm Dave from Hawaii

    That’s funny, Whiskey thinks I should shut up and sacrifice myself in exchange for nothing. And no, having boring married people sex with an aging wife and having to support her financially is not a reward, but merely again, a sacrfice given that I could get a better orgasm from masturbation.

    And how would you know, since you’ve pretty much confined your orgasm predominantly to masturbating to porn?

    Married people sex with my aging wife is certainly not boring, is rewarding, and it certainly gives a better orgasm than from masturbation. She knows exactly what I like, how I like it, and she has no problem giving it to me…and I her.

    Don’t buy into the lies of the feminazi popular culture…that married sex will inevitably go “stale.” That all wives turn into nagging, complaining bitches that don’t put out for their husbands.

    You’ve warped your sexual stimulus response by desensitizing yourself with your zillions gigabytes of porn and buy into this notion that the only exciting sex is the kind depicted in porn.

    You keep telling yourself whatever pretty lies you need to, to continue to rationalize why you won’t man up and face your fear of female rejection. Sorry son, but you simply cannot have a “better orgasm” from masturbating as you can from a woman that knows how to turn you on and enthusiastically does so.

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  205. on April 30, 2009 at 9:41 pm Rum

    Female Med Students do indeed have a lot of desireable qualities for LTRs, imho. They are always serious minded, they tend to be idealistic. Med School/ResidenT training provides lots of the kind of experience that knocks the childishness out of anybody – seeing actual death, knowing that screwing up can have immediate ultimate consequences, learning what it is like to have no choice but to control ones emotions – the list is pretty long.
    I wonder about the cost to many of them, however. A few generations ago nearly every kid growing up on a farm got plenty of the same kind of grounding experiences by the time they were 12.

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  206. on April 30, 2009 at 9:44 pm Obsidian

    Cicero,
    Actually if anyone’s been complaining and whining, inceesantly, its the White guys on this blog-if it ain’t (white) Women, its NAMs, even though many of the very same guys have absolutely no intention to DO anything about the conditions they go on and on about-they don’t vote, don’t fund any orgs, etc.
    The proof of that can be seen in the race realist movement itself-Sailer spends as much time begging for money on behalf of Vdare as he does writing (which is a lot); the AmRen annual conferences now have more protestors and cops in attendance than actual attendees; and if I were a betting Man I’d put up good money that the Million Man March probably drew more raw numbers of Black Men, than the AmRen or Inverted World folks.

    Like I said, its OK to discuss Race, you just have to be White and Male from a certain perspctive, one that at the least condones and even endorses a kind of crying into one’s beer, if not actively engaging it.

    As for the incontrovertible evidence that undergirds RR-again, for the umpteenth time, none of the known Black voices in this forum have challenged the core premise as it relates to Black folks; what we have challenged is the anti-Black animus that often undergirds such an analysis, and as DA himself points out (PA, good call, I unintentionally left him out, my bad!), how can one *not* come to such a conclusion, at the very least subconsciously, of such a group of people? Indeed we see this playing itself out right now, wrt living space patterns, school makeups, even graveyard internments. If a race is inherently inferior, taken as a group, the only logical explanation is to avoid contact with them to whatever degree possible, and history has shown us that’s the most benign course.

    Additionally for me, I’m interested in testing out the many theories RRers proclaim so loudly-many of them virulently fight against Affirmative Action, yet say nothing when everyone knows that there are clear quotas in place, and have been for years, for Women virtually accross the board. We’re discussing doctors right now-who would say, Rum have more to be concerned about-Leroy, who may very flunk out of medschool anyway, or Amy, who’s smarter than Leroy, but not really quite as smart as Rum, nor as commited to do the grueling work that being a doc requires? I think we all know the answer to that question, its just that well, RRs know the deal. When it comes to “family” you turn you head.

    The reason why Black folk on a whole recoil from RRs, among other things, is the patently intellectually dishonest way they present themselves, the facts and the issues. Black folks may not be as smart as White folk, but they’re from stupid either.

    O

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  207. on April 30, 2009 at 9:45 pm Rum

    True fact: I did have a class mate who paid for much of her school expenses by stripping. Later, she went into Family Practice.

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  208. on April 30, 2009 at 9:48 pm David Alexander

    It’s not tax deductible to the man or taxable to the woman.

    But if the money is taken from him pre-tax, it’s a reduction of his tax burden. Instead of paying on a salary of $1000 per week, he’s not taxed on his income of $750.

    Or did I completely botch this up? If it isn’t true, we really should consider making child support qualify for tax deductability.

    And how would you know, since you’ve pretty much confined your orgasm predominantly to masturbating to porn?

    Look at all the men who continually complain about the boring sex that they have, and the lack of said boring sex. Why go through that problem when you can bang women at will if you’re an alpha or have game or masturbate if you’re me. And masturbation is inherently easier and requires less effort. No having to go out to clubs or bars where I don’t (and may never will) fit in or going on pointless dates with awful planning attempts on stuff that I may not find interesting.

    Married people sex with my aging wife is certainly not boring, is rewarding, and it certainly gives a better orgasm than from masturbation.

    You’re an alpha. You’re exempt from this problem as are all other alphas and beta males with game.

    Don’t buy into the lies of the feminazi popular culture…that married sex will inevitably go “stale.”

    This is stuff that the average beta male constantly talks about.

    You’ve warped your sexual stimulus response by desensitizing yourself with your zillions gigabytes of porn and buy into this notion that the only exciting sex is the kind depicted in porn.

    I see nothing wrong with that, especially since I am not willing to use game, and the porn delivers better looking women than I am currently capable of getting. Besides, you learn that women* are better at providing emotional support via platonic friends than they are at providing sex to betas.

    *Okay, the feminine sub-7 ranking women. Hugs are hit or miss though.

    You keep telling yourself whatever pretty lies you need to

    I refuse to use game, and I’d rather jerk off than either be told no by every girl (whether at the point of asking out or in the short-term sense of a failed relationship when she finds a better alternative) or use woman that isn’t sexually attractive to me for sex that will eventually say no too.

    but you simply cannot have a “better orgasm” from masturbating as you can from a woman that knows how to turn you on and enthusiastically does so

    I am willing to bet serious money on the idea that jerking off will deliver a better orgasm to a beta male sans game than any woman can.

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  209. on April 30, 2009 at 10:00 pm Rum

    David
    Just shut up about sex until you seriously get some, or at least some more. Because it IS better than self abuse. That is one of the biggest facts in the Universe and you should not pretend otherwise. You are wasting our time with this.
    Obsidian
    I am uncomfortable with RR because I am uncomfortable with what happens in much of the world of Education. As a kid, I had massive A.D.D. and was constantly being encouraged to adjust my expectations downward. To get anywhere I had to develop a raging case of ” I am right and they are all wrong” attitude. So, watching kids being given labels by RR types puts me in touch with negative memories and makes me want to smash them.

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  210. on April 30, 2009 at 10:28 pm Obsidian

    Rum, thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

    Let me also say that I’m w/you in your points to Dave Alex, but let me also say that I don’t have any problem w/the choices DA makes. What I have a problem with is his patently intellectual dishonesty in facing up to his choices, mainly because he doesn’t want to be responsible for their inevitable outcomes.

    I’ve said before and reaffirm, that he has the right “not to be”, that is his choice. He should then have the dignity he claims would be on full display in the face of moneygrabbing females, to gracefully accept the outcomes of his choices. The bottomline is that he is way too immature, and too lazy, to do anything about his state of affairs, and if we all know anything about human nature, its that it takes the route of least resistance-for any man, its infinitely easier to jerkoff than it is to try to make something happen with a woman. That’s just the plain truth of it. Whether its better or worse is really a red herring of sorts, because for DA, it ain’t really about quality of life as much as it is about ease of fulfillment with minimal risk of rejection or failure. And in that regard, he’d be right! Hard to argue, actually.

    All I want from him is to cease his incessant whining about his rationales and reasonings for doing, as if he’s trying to convince himself that he’s doing the right thing or something. If he’s truly fulfilled at the end of the day, what difference does it make?

    O

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  211. on April 30, 2009 at 10:31 pm puma80

    Andrew really is a cuckold in training. Give it 4-7 years. Jessica will cheat on him with a real man, or maybe even a series of them. She knows this at the bottom of her heart.

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  212. on April 30, 2009 at 10:50 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian

    As for the incontrovertible evidence that undergirds RR-again, for the umpteenth time, none of the known Black voices in this forum have challenged the core premise as it relates to Black folks; what we have challenged is the anti-Black animus that often undergirds such an analysis

    There are definitely voices on here that have that sort of animus. I don’t like it. Those speakers DO NOT make themselves look good to most of us libertarianish / realist white guys. Certainly not to me. That’s not where most of the scientists who have devised ways of researching this stuff are coming from, nor those who have drawn together the information and are most influential on the web, like Steve Sailer or the mostly non white guys at GNXP, and others. But yeah, racists with the animus you speak of do draw from them and others. It took a while to start happening much, but over the last year especially and going back about two years it has been. Most race realists though are motivated by the desire to dispel pretty lies and get to the truth, rather than a desire to have their race hate vindicated. One good way of telling the difference is how closely someone sticks to facts and try to clearly and with some sophistication explain them, versus using a few shreds of info to put down blacks.

    You’re not blameless yourself though Obsidian. You do sometimes go into your black sexual supremacy smooth baiting of white men mode, as I’ve said before. Not nearly as much or as pointedly lately though, so congrats on that.

    BUT you’re also sometimes ganged up on. However you’re damn good at handling yourself when you are.

    I think talk about race differences and race realism pro and con is fine. I don’t think race baiting or racial put downs (in either direction), or ridiculous simplistic generalities are fine.

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  213. on April 30, 2009 at 10:51 pm Comment_Whatever

    Gunslinger said:

    Then it is stage three hate why can’t I do what he can. How come he is not fucking me.

    Any way to avoid this without fucking the bitch.

    For as there is Game, so is there Anti-Game.

    Unleash your beta! Immediately complement her on her looks! Try to please her, and pay attention to her like she is the most important thing in the room! Look at her with loving puppy dog eyes! Have one of your friends insult you in her presence, and take it.

    Anyone else have any suggestions for Anti-Game?

    More subtle perhaps?

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  214. on April 30, 2009 at 10:51 pm whiskey

    Weimer —

    Yeah, that’s why the NFL is so popular, and sit-coms like “Coach” and “Cheers” are now bygone relics of past eras. Snarky guys like David Spade or what-have-you are indeed a picture of female dominated entertainment.

    Jack: Good points. Why the caste system for beta males but not women?

    David: they talk to you because you’re the “gay type” of guy who is careful not to express any sexual interest in them. And as noted, the lack of male-oriented themes, such as cooperation, or bravery, or honor, saving the day and getting the girl, is it’s own big red flag. About thirty years ago most women still married Betas and entertainment that was acceptable to both reflected that. Not today, and that’s the problem.

    Re: AA. Increasing numbers of say, Black doctors is not done by pretending there are plenty (TV/Movies, the actual number is around 4% according to the AMA). It’s done by a social emphasis on hard work, studying, education, that is a long term payoff. Since human beings are very adaptable. Essentially the strategy advocated by Carver. Social conservatism is always the best bet for ANY community.

    Damn Straight you should get married. You’d be happier, your wife happier, you’d have kids. Who would inevitably become railfans themselves as you passed on your passion. Why not? Don’t you think the world deserves more Railfans?

    Obsidian — A. Consider how many Straight White Men are priced out of the relationship market by women’s preference for Alpha Men. B. How little they benefit and how much they are harmed by women being both equal (or even superior) in income and disdainful of Beta Men. C. The potential to reclaim Beta provider status and get a wife/partner who means something by reducing Women’s income/opportunities. The Sexual Marketplace guarantees IMHO declining support for AA as they take little/no benefit and much harm in the marketplace for sex/relationships, if not outright shifts to opposition. AA’s support is IMHO directly proportional to White Women’s being married, so White men have at least indirectly a stake in the game.

    White men don’t have much arguments against Black Men directly, indeed certain types of Black Men are often White heroes (conscientious, patriotic, intelligent, controlled macho). Think Dennis Haysbert, Jerry Rice, Tiger Woods, and Tony Dungy. However politically, Blacks and White women are aligned against “White Male Privilege” and this directly impacts most White Men who are Beta in the sex/relationship market. By reducing their power/status against women which is CRITICAL. Interfere with men’s sex lives and that’s the result. Predictable resentment.

    Which leads to the question. Is it higher payoff to rejigger social standing of White Men vs. White Women to “constrain” female choice in favor of Beta Providers? Or use Game to hope to transform your entire way of being which is likely the key to economic success? Crying in the Beer is more likely a recognition that for most men, Alpha-dom is simply impossible. George can never become Jerry on Seinfeld for example because he lacks the height, natural humor, physique, and most importantly celebrity to attain it.

    As for the Black (and White and Hispanic) communities, there is nothing wrong with any that cannot be addressed by several generations of proven social conservatism, monogamy, church attendance, delayed gratification, control of Alpha Male and Female sexuality (same thing really), and so on. Human beings are adaptable! But you can’t complain if most here agree with you: Blacks are the canary in the Coal mine of America. What ails them in big measures are growing among Whites (and Hispanics).

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  215. on April 30, 2009 at 10:54 pm Anonymous

    Don’t try to change the fact that clearly, if *anyone* gets special treatment, White Woemn get it, Vulgarian.

    Well shit everyone knows they can’t compete either, unless you are talking about giving blowjobs or acting on impulse.

    And saying one group benefits from AA does not say anything about another group benefiting from AA one way or another.

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  216. on April 30, 2009 at 10:54 pm vulgarian

    Don’t try to change the fact that clearly, if *anyone* gets special treatment, White Woemn get it, Vulgarian.

    Well shit everyone knows they can’t compete either, unless you are talking about giving blowjobs or acting on impulse.

    And saying one group benefits from AA does not say anything about another group benefiting from AA one way or another.

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  217. on April 30, 2009 at 10:55 pm dougjnn

    puma80–

    Andrew really is a cuckold in training. Give it 4-7 years. Jessica will cheat on him with a real man, or maybe even a series of them. She knows this at the bottom of her heart.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if she already has.

    As well, though she may start off cheating, she’ll likely turn to doing it openly. He’ll also be ok with it, rather than “lose” her.

    Hell he might even be or become submissive enough to enjoy it in a perverse true cuckold (in the current sense of the word) way.

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  218. on April 30, 2009 at 11:02 pm Cicero

    Obsidian,

    I’m not sure how the popularity or unpopularity of a political movement has any bearing on this issue.

    First of all, as a political matter, race realism is not in any real sense an organized “movement”. You seem to be conflating ideas with some sort of political ideology or movement. What you call “race realism” is for the most part bloggers and thinkers (relegated to the internet, for obvious reasons) generally with a quantitative bent that discuss “taboo” subjects and come to conclusions on topics like race that vastly diverge from the mainstream establishment orthodoxy.

    Secondly, why would it be popular when it goes against the prevailing mainstream establishment? Expressing “race realist” views in public would be career suicide for many people. And if it were somehow organized into a political movement, that wouldn’t make it more right or wrong in any way.

    Your attitude here seems to be that all these “race realists” just come up with all this data and facts online and talk all day and “don’t do anything about it.” They should organize politically and “do something about it”. I don’t see how this has anything to the issue at hand, nor would it be necessarily a good thing. Having a strong political movement doesn’t make the race realists more correct or more wrong. And if a popular political movement was aroused, there would be nothing short of civil war in the country.

    You write, “what we have challenged is the anti-Black animus that often undergirds such an analysis, and as DA himself points out (PA, good call, I unintentionally left him out, my bad!), how can one *not* come to such a conclusion, at the very least subconsciously, of such a group of people? Indeed we see this playing itself out right now, wrt living space patterns, school makeups, even graveyard internments. If a race is inherently inferior, taken as a group, the only logical explanation is to avoid contact with them to whatever degree possible, and history has shown us that’s the most benign course.”

    I’m not sure what you mean about by the “anti-Black animus.” Are there “race realists” that are “anti-Black”? Of course. But this doesn’t automatically discredit the claims that “race realists” make. You can decide that, say, Steve Sailer is “anti-Black” and dismiss everything he says and never read him again. Or you can read his arguments and evaluate his data. And wrt to living space patterns, school makeups, etc., this has nothing to do with “race realism”. The most fervent anti-race realists tend to be upper class whites, and they are generally more segregated from blacks. It has more to do with the fact that ethnic/racial/cultural groups tend to cluster among themselves. This is a well established throughout history, and throughout the world. Asian Americans tend to socialize among themselves. Is this because they read a bunch of “race realists” online and decided to stay away from whites, blacks, Hispanics, etc.? And regarding the only logical explanation derived from concluding that a race is “inherently inferior”, well that’s just a red herring. The issues at hand isn’t “inferiority” which you know is a loaded term. It’s quantifiable differences in which specific things, inferiority and superiority in which specific areas, that is the issue. What we have had now for decades in our establishment is the idea that every single human being of whatever ethnic or racial background is absolutely equal in every which way. Everyone is born a blank slate and what matters is environment, education, culture, etc. So what has happened is that we’ve attempted social engineering for decades. And it hasn’t worked because it’s based on a fundamentally flawed premise. If we acknowledged certain truths, we wouldn’t have such a mess. It would have resulted in more reasonable policies, and no, it would not have resulted in genocide.

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  219. on April 30, 2009 at 11:08 pm dougjnn

    Rum —

    True fact: I did have a class mate who paid for much of her school expenses by stripping. Later, she went into Family Practice.

    She sounds hot. What was she like? She sounds fun. I’d likely have been attracted and gone after her if she’d been my classmate.

    Course I don’t believe in settling down with someone my own age. But that wisdom hadn’t come to me when I was in professional school.

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  220. on April 30, 2009 at 11:09 pm Obsidian

    I also want to chime in a bit on the running debate/battle btw Dave Alex and Whiskey, which I’ve found to be quite entertaining, especially when DA loses his characteristic cool. Clearly, Whiskey has gotten under his skin.

    Actually, to me, they agree on one central point, that the Betas of the world aren’t much admired by Women, at least not in terms of hot wetness btw the thighs. Be that as it may, the thing for me is DA’s position financially-

    He says that he’s cool w/his taxes funding singlemoms who got kids by Alphas-but I’m not. Why should my or anyone else’s tax dollars subsidize the private actions of someone else? If DA wants to feel good helping somebody, let him writeout a check to the singlemom of his choice, and let the rest of us keep more of what we earn in our pocket.

    I see zero reason why I or anyone else should pay for a Woman’s private choices. Period.

    As for Betas, the revolution that will not be televised has already begun-fewer of them are entering the areas of the workforce that actually matters. Fewer are working longer hours. Fewer are engaging in civic activities. Fewer are getting married. Fewer are paying child support. Fewer are chooising the video game and the porn sites. In short, Men, of which Betas are the majority, are simply choosing not to show up.

    I’ve said many times that Feminism is unsustainable, and this is one grand example. Even guys like DA, who are benign compared to the more virulent angry strains of Betas, aren’t willing to really put themselves out there for the benefit of Women who don’t want them where and when it counts.

    As Novaseeker says on his blog recently, the short term “solution” is for Feminists to push for more and more draconian taxation and financial confiscatory measures along these lines, to which my prediction will be, that more and more Men will resist, simply by doing less an less. I figure that our current Feminist-informed setup has about 20 years, max, to go before it simply begins to implode on itself. And it may happen a lot sooner than that.

    O

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  221. on April 30, 2009 at 11:12 pm puma80

    Yes dougjnn, there are dark days waiting for our Andrew.

    Jessica: “Andrew! Now clean up this mess that my Lover has created!”.

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  222. on April 30, 2009 at 11:17 pm Rum

    Whiskey

    It is my humble opinion that the dynamics of the “sexual market place” conform themselves to the realities of 1. Womens actual & perceived need for beta providers 2. well, there is nothing else. IOWs, if females do not believe they need a non-alpha they will not even pretend to want one. I have a hard time imagining what could influence this default attitude, since it has a truly ancient instinctual basis. You have said yourself how the last 1000 years in Europe has represented a kind of singularity – the one epoch in human experience when nice guys mostly got laid.

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  223. on April 30, 2009 at 11:36 pm David Alexander

    as if he’s trying to convince himself that he’s doing the right thing or something

    It’s less about trying to convince myself, but more about trying to show beta males that there is a perfectly rational and alternative course if they don’t want to use game or they’re not simply compatible with game.

    And no, I won’t stop until the owner of this site says so.

    Jessica will cheat on him with a real man, or maybe even a series of them.

    Fun Question: Why would a real man want to bang her when they could go for more feminine, hotter looking women?

    Immediately complement her on her looks!

    I love complementing women. It makes me feel better. 🙂

    Look at her with loving puppy dog eyes!

    Even as a beta, I tend to avoid that since it induces the “crazy man” vibe. As a beta, you dote on her privately even if you know she’s gargling alpha semen. 🙂

    they talk to you because you’re the “gay type” of guy who is careful not to express any sexual interest in them

    You mean I come across as nonthreatening? Oh, I just do that so white people won’t find me threatening in general.

    entertainment that was acceptable to both reflected that

    You mean the crappy sitcoms and dramas of TV Land and Hallmark Channel? Shudder.

    It’s done by a social emphasis on hard work, studying, education, that is a long term payoff.

    Per race realism, that model is pointless as without affirmative action, since there won’t be enough smart black people to be able to attend medical school (and other professional schools) at socially acceptable levels.

    Damn Straight you should get married. You’d be happier, your wife happier, you’d have kids.

    The wife and kids will get in the way of the happiness as I’d have to work more hours to take care of them. Plus, the wife will nag about my porn addiction and desire to jerk off every night. So, I’d be less likely to be happy.

    Who would inevitably become railfans themselves as you passed on your passion. Why not? Don’t you think the world deserves more Railfans?

    While it would be nice to have another generation of railfans to tell the stories of our era, judging from the few railfans that have had kids, it doesn’t immediately transfer from father to son. In some cases, it does, especially if the father worked in transit or mainline railroads, while in other cases, you end up with daughters or sons with normal interests and athletic skills*.

    *200% chance of cuckoldry.

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  224. on April 30, 2009 at 11:39 pm Obsidian

    Fellas, I think the most powerful weapon in a Man’s arsenal is already known to us-do Nothing.

    Especially in financial terms. Take a completely passive aggressive tack-Women have every right to choose their destiny. They also have the right to meet their fate.

    Men facing divorce should destroy their savings so as to deny any financial benefit accruing from the divorce. This is what I would do, unless a powerful case is made that she actually deserved an equitable settlement. One of the big problems a lot of my White brothers have is a fear of losing their “lifestyle”. But a Man doesn’t base his manhood on this. For me, prison nor living on the streets scares me. Been there, done both. And hasn’t hampered my ability to move through this society.

    So it means nothing to me to see my savings, assets, etc go up in smoke by my own hand, before I see it go to someone who’s clearly burned me. I can always rebuild, remember, Age is a Man’s best friend.

    In no way do I want to hinder a Woman’s right to choose.

    I just want to make sure that she deals with its consequences.

    O

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  225. on April 30, 2009 at 11:41 pm Gofer

    Hey David Alexander, who do you look more like, Urkel or Beetlejuice from the Howard Stern show?

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  226. on April 30, 2009 at 11:51 pm Tupac Chopra

    The wife and kids will get in the way of the happiness as I’d have to work more hours to take care of them. Plus, the wife will nag about my porn addiction and desire to jerk off every night. So, I’d be less likely to be happy.

    Translation: I’m not willing to endure any discomfort in the pursuit of goals.

    Translation of the translation: living is too tough (that is, unless I can force others – parents or society- to subsidize my existence)

    Behold the the Last Man my brothers, and despair.

    I’m reminded of that Fight Club quote someone posted earlier:

    “I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn’t screw to save its own species.”

    Even as a beta, I tend to avoid that since it induces the “crazy man” vibe. As a beta, you dote on her privately even if you know she’s gargling alpha semen.:)

    Slice lengthwise.

    Tonight.

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  227. on April 30, 2009 at 11:58 pm Obsidian

    Dave, you’re not doing some great public service to guys here, we all know we can just as easily jerkoff and take ourselves outta the race. Besides, Mystery already beat you to the punch on this score; if you’d actually read the book you’d know that.

    Anyway, I stand by what I previously said about you, I have no problem w/your choices. I just want you to stop bullshitting yourself, and by extension trying to bullshit the rest of us, about the why’s and wherefores of them. We all know the deal man, and in truth many of us have some degree of sympathy for you. Rejection is something we all have to deal with. Just come clean for your own sake.

    And, that “non date/hug” thing you do could be a powerful weapon if you use it right-why do I say that?

    Because while they’re nice and all that, at the end of the day, in an age where more and more Women are singlemoms, hugs and non dates don’t put food on the table or keep a roof over your head, especially in deeply economically stressed times. What is strikingly clear is that Women want *someone* to help PAY FOR their kids, if not the Alpha then the Beta, then the State. My goal isn’t to prevent her from getting that support, I just don’t want her getting *mine*, and on this note I stand shoulder to shoulder w/Roissy-its not my moral crisis that girlfriend decided to drop panties and get knocked up by Mr. Alpha. Got no problem w/that in the least-I just don’t wanna pay for it. And I shouldn’t, there’s no real, legit reason why I or anyone else here should.

    This is why I’m for another DEEP round of Welfare cuts to singlemoms, which will force them to accept humbling religious charities, perhaps even force some of them to give the kids up for adoption-and those who kill or otherwise abuse their kids, when caught they should be harshly dealt with in the courts. Women simply must learn that with actions, come consequences.

    O

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  228. on April 30, 2009 at 11:59 pm RF Interference

    @Sarsen: That link is funny. “There’s no such thing as virginity.” I see a lot of feminist newspeak going down. If someone wants to argue against the slut-stud double standard and all that comes with it, go right ahead. But the state of virginity does exist. I’m willing to listen to any well reasoned arguement, but a lot of this feminist stuff drives me up the wall. Feministing don’t get to cast things they don’t particularly like into non-existance.

    Two more examples I’ve seen a lot at feminist blogs:

    1. “We need to define what being attractive means for ourselves.”

    Attractive is inherently defined by others (by who you’re trying to attract). This isn’t something abstract like defining beautiful or sexy. We’ve got a damn verb setting this one up.

    2. Being not-raped is a bad thing. Grey rape wasn’t a suitable term. Now terms that on their surface would appear to be positive are given negative connotations. If being not-raped is bad, that’s a terrible abuse of language.

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  229. on May 1, 2009 at 12:08 am David Alexander

    Actually, to me, they agree on one central point, that the Betas of the world aren’t much admired by Women, at least not in terms of hot wetness btw the thighs.

    Whiskey feels that beta men are generally hated by all women merely for existing while I contend that beta males are generally viewed as unattractive and not useful for sex, but not the victim of female hate. In contrast, Whiskey feels that beta males can have a chance if we marry women off before they have access to alpha males while I contend that there is nothing stopping an alpha male from setting a woman’s sexual attraction on fire. All she has to do is see an alpha male in high school, and she is “tainted” with alpha lust.

    He says that he’s cool w/his taxes funding singlemoms who got kids by Alphas

    The problem is that if we don’t pay women to go away, they’ll simply trick beta males into marriage with false promises of love and devotion. Since we’ll probably never admit to our men that they have no hope and that they shouldn’t even try to bother with women in a sexual manner, the best we can do is to pay women to leave men alone.

    Even guys like DA, who are benign compared to the more virulent angry strains of Betas, aren’t willing to really put themselves out there for the benefit of Women who don’t want them where and when it counts.

    If you’re a beta male who observes women aiming for alphas, you can become upset at that, but once you realize it’s their fault per se, but simply a preference that really can’t be altered, the best thing you can do is to accept them for who they are. I can’t fault women for liking alpha males, and they shouldn’t fault me for liking porn stars. The only difference is that they are more likely to get a shot at their ideal than me. That doesn’t excuse me to be a bitter or violent man. So, you’ll see me still being a good supportive friend to my female friends, holding doors on the subway for single mom with kids, and or giving directions to an ugly fat woman. And yes, I’ve done these things for my fellow male too.

    a fear of losing their “lifestyle”

    Lifestyle is everything. You sacrifice to achieve the lifestyle to maintain happiness and mental sanity.

    Age is a Man’s best friend

    Past results do not and will not predict future results.

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  230. on May 1, 2009 at 12:14 am jackson

    DA,

    “The problem is that if we don’t pay women to go away, they’ll simply trick beta males into marriage with false promises of love and devotion. Since we’ll probably never admit to our men that they have no hope and that they shouldn’t even try to bother with women in a sexual manner, the best we can do is to pay women to leave men alone.”

    I disagree. If betas could get women to marry them, then some large percentage of those women will learn to settle, not cheat, be devoted to their families, etc. Also, a large percentage of them will be unfaithful.

    But there’s plenty of women out there married to not-the-best guy, who make the best of it and even trick themselves into feeling something like love, eventually.

    I’ve certainly dated girls that didn’t exactly set my lust afire, but I felt sad when we broke up. I got attached. Humans do that.

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  231. on May 1, 2009 at 12:19 am David Alexander

    Slice lengthwise.

    After you.

    I’m not willing to endure any discomfort in the pursuit of goals

    Yes, it’s very warm and comfortable in my shell. Why would I ever want to leave it and experience that harsh cold world outside?

    You must admit, if the discomfort is greater than pleasure, the goal is pointless, no?

    unless I can force others – parents or society- to subsidize my existence

    Living with parents isn’t exactly ideal unless your parents are millionaires and can pay for a middle class lifestyle. Society tends to reimburse rather poorly, so the only choice to enjoy a nice lifestyle is to work.

    I’m reminded of that Fight Club quote someone posted earlier

    My species doesn’t need saving.

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  232. on May 1, 2009 at 12:20 am Rum

    Nicole

    You said more than once that you found it off-putting when you lost weight and discovered that men suddenly seemed more interested in getting to know you better. For reasons that I cannot grasp, you seem to feel that this means that men are shallow.
    It seems to me, that if you really wanted tio be with guys, or especially with a certain type of guy, you would feel simple delight in learning what brought them around vs what drove them off. However, if your mind is trapped in the maze of “I want to be loved exclusively for the inner me!!!” you might not be able to react in such a simple and goal directed way to the moment of your enlightenment.
    Guys know two things about this that you either do not know or are hiding from. First, being a guy means that you are never judged by anyone except your mother (and that is if you lucky) on the basis of the nature of your private self. Guys have no choice but to show the world what we
    can do, even if it is your best bullshit. Otherwise, you tend stay invisible to all females. Therefore, when they find out-often by accident- what gets women to throw unmistakable “Get over here and fuck me now” vibes in his direction the sane ones make a note of it. And practice it, if possibble. The other thing is that men know about that person deep down inside you – the one that we are sometimes asked to find and love forever – is a right changable thing. Your inner souls are more like clouds than anything solid and fixable. So we will always care much about you do with your outside body – the one you fuck with and keep in decent shape – or not. See, guys smart enough for you respect with never pay much attention to anything about you except what you do. The other part is real enough, I suppose but it chages constantly, countradicts itself often, and is fucking moody.
    I remember the day I got my first accetance letter to a good Med School. I carried to my next class and started telling my lab partner about it in excited voice. Whereupon the best looking coed who had ever yet come on to me proceeded to do so. “Hi, my name is Evonne, if you come home with me tonight I will cook you dinner.”
    I could have seen this picture as proof of some theory regarding female treachery and greed. Instead, I took it as a valuable Aha moment of learning. It seemed simple to me, she reacted to learning my sudden new status the same way I reacted by seeing down her at perfect tits – With a simple, heartfelt Thanks to heaven or Nature or whatever generous angel had arranged the lesson. Now I knew at least one thing that really changes the way they see me and that is neat to know and especially because I just got a load of it in the mail.

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  233. on May 1, 2009 at 12:30 am David Alexander

    And, that “non date/hug” thing you do could be a powerful weapon if you use it right-why do I say that?

    Admittedly, I still don’t fully understand this portion of your comment. The non-dates and hugs are to benefit me emotionally. I get the benefit of female attention, and she gets a beta male who props up her ego and makes her feel better when she’s sad or lonely. The best course of action is to keep several female friends (who have limited ability in securing an alpha) to ensure that if one is busy, you have an alternative to keep you company.

    Of course, I should admit that if one of my female friends became pregnant by some fly by night operation, I’d probably help her and support her. If I had decent money, I’d probably “donate” some money to her to ensure she’s okay financially as well, but then, that’s because I’d derive an emotional benefit from that. “I helped somebody, so I feel good” is a powerful endorphin. Mind you, the difference between this and say supporting a wife is that while I may not have any sex, I get to pull my financial support whenever I feel like for whatever reason, and I control the rate of giving.

    perhaps even force some of them to give the kids up for adoption

    In the long-term, is it better for these kids to stay with their mothers or with foster care parents? The main reason we have welfare for single mothers (since women without kids get nothing too, IIRC) is that when we see the mothers struggling with the kids, there’s a desire to do something so the children won’t suffer.

    when caught they should be harshly dealt with in the courts

    Dunno about PA, but in New York, child abuse can be prosecuted as a felony crime.

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  234. on May 1, 2009 at 12:45 am David Alexander

    If betas could get women to marry them, then some large percentage of those women will learn to settle, not cheat, be devoted to their families, etc. Also, a large percentage of them will be unfaithful.

    Yes, those tend to be ugly women that alphas won’t even bother trying to court. The downside is that they’re useless for sexual purposes for betas as well. Well, the stupid betas that haven’t discovered porn or have low standards.

    My problem is that I want women to choose beta males over alpha males without being forced to do so. Until that happens, getting women to choose beta males by forcing them is an insult to beta males. If you’re in the group that doesn’t want beta males to pay via taxation, then forcing women onto betas is just as bad, if not worse because a family soaks up more money than a five to ten percent shift up in tax rates.

    But there’s plenty of women out there married to not-the-best guy, who make the best of it and even trick themselves into feeling something like love, eventually.

    They’re all secretly miserable and lying to everybody, or they’re simply staying in their marriages for the children, or they’re cuckolding him, or they’re too ugly to get an alpha. They may enjoy their husbands in a sexless, platonic sense, but they’re not sexually attracted to him, and that’s an insult to him.

    I’ve certainly dated girls that didn’t exactly set my lust afire, but I felt sad when we broke up. I got attached. Humans do that.

    You probably missed their friendship, not their sex.

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  235. on May 1, 2009 at 12:47 am puma80

    Jackson says: “I disagree. If betas could get women to marry them, then some large percentage of those women will learn to settle, not cheat, be devoted to their families, etc. Also, a large percentage of them will be unfaithful.

    But there’s plenty of women out there married to not-the-best guy, who make the best of it and even trick themselves into feeling something like love, eventually.”

    Jackson, what you are talking about is Marriage 1.0. In that regime, once a woman married beta-or-alpha, that was her lot in life and she had to live with it one way or another.

    Enter Marriage 2.0, where this is no longer so. Nowadays a woman can fuck her Alphas, while financially obligating some chump Beta to support her indefinitely. It’s called no-fault-divorce, and more importantantly no-fault-alimony. Here is how it works in practice, as shown in a Calgary newspaper story from yesterday:

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/Life/Courts+father+unfairness/1549075/story.html

    Can you spot the Beta in this story? Yes, you are right! The ex-husband! The one being ordered by the court to pay for the Alpha’s spawn; even though the bastard kids were conveived AFTER the divorce. Welcome to the real world.

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  236. on May 1, 2009 at 12:48 am RF Interference

    @Whiskey:

    “Speaking culturally, there are only a few roles available to guys.

    Lloyd Dobler, Ducky, etc. and their emo inheritors (god how I hate those guys).
    Charlie Sheen.
    The nerdy brother on Two and A Half Men.
    ”

    The same actor played Ducky and the nerdy brother on Two and a Half Men. Did he graduate to great beta, in Roissy-speak?

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  237. on May 1, 2009 at 12:57 am roissy

    anony:
    I think Roissy has never mentioned the importance of intelligence to attract a woman.

    i’ve banged out a few genuinely dumb girls. that is, they were dumb by SWPL standards, i.e. 90-100 IQ.

    i will have a future post on my experiences with the dumb broads. bottom line: enthusiastic sex fiends, but in order to build a connection i had to drop the 2 dollar words i usually deploy when stroking the pleasure centers of dc lawyer chicks.

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  238. on May 1, 2009 at 1:02 am David Alexander

    Roissy, didn’t you fear her becoming pregnant?

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  239. on May 1, 2009 at 1:17 am Willard Libby

    Dr. Grzlickson – Obsidian, please start a blog so I’ll have the option of not visiting it and be spared from your constant repetitious noise. At least the GNP guy and G Manifesto keep it relatively short, and don’t try to hijack every single post with their agendas.

    Maybe you are new here so you haven’t caught on to Obsidian’s act.

    For him EVERY post get’s around to his obsession with White women and his fear of angry, “racist” White men.

    That’s pretty much standard operating procedure in his black male psyche. And he’s not alone among his brothers.

    Notice how out of nowhere he pulls this log out of his racially paranoid ass – Obsidian – Personally, I’m always struck by some of the most strident voices against (Black) Affirmative Action suddenly go to twisting themselves into all kinds of knots to justify it in the case of White Women.

    Who are these strident voices? What do they have to do with is post? Where are all these threatening (White) men/women who are so anti quotas for black males but stridently pro quotas for White women? Where, that is, outside Obsidian’s fevered imagination?

    Fabian – Quite frankly, I’m getting disgusted with all the “race realist” crap getting posted here. I’ve said it before, and I’ve been ignored, but I’ll say it again: “evolutionary psychology” is pseudoscience because there are too many confounding variables in human behavior to distill anything exclusively down to genes. Evo psych leads to a very dark place when carried to its logical conclusion – eugenics, “racial purity”, Adolf Hitler.

    Hell yeah, Godwin in da house mother fuckers!

    Yo, yo, yo.

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  240. on May 1, 2009 at 1:35 am Willard Libby

    Cicero – Regarding Obsidian,

    Perhaps this link will explain his intransigence: http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2009/03/blacks-think-they-are-smartest.html

    It seems like all this whining and complaining about “race realism” basically boils down to guys like Obsidian feeling hurt or something by the cold, hard data.

    I can agree with some of the claims of “race realism” but at the same time think it’s not a good term.

    The “science of human biodiversity” I guess is not catchy enough. My main problem with so called race realism is that many of the proponents get carried away with what I would call verbal essentialism and forget that population thinking is a key to all biology.

    Remember, statements like “Men are taller than women” or “Asians have higher IQs than blacks” are in fact FALSE statements.

    As for these Beta winners, they’re probably just doing the best they can. Most have serious genetic and biochemical issues that limit their capacity for behaving in any way but as a Beta.

    What can you really expect of these guys? Are they all supposed to kill themselves for the good of the race and species? Are they all supposed to join the David Alexander fan club and worship him as their God?

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  241. on May 1, 2009 at 1:45 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Welmer
    Yeah, where’s the place for guys who actually like hanging out with each other, and don’t want to dominate so much as cooperate for a greater good? I’m not sure women can even begin to comprehend that. “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””‘

    I was thinking about this welmer and I think start a 4 year “college” but instead of when you graduate you get a diploma. Instead You get your freedom. Guys there live on bunkbeds work 84 hours a week and everyone has the same goal they are there work to save money and become free men.

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  242. on May 1, 2009 at 1:57 am Gunslingergregi

    “””””””’DA,
    a fear of losing their “lifestyle”

    Lifestyle is everything. You sacrifice to achieve the lifestyle to maintain happiness and mental sanity.”””””””””””

    DA has learned something today. He has learned that people don’t usually become magically successful they have to sacrifice to get there. It is not given. A breakthrough.

    Would you be willing to sacrifice 4 years of your life to make more than you make now when you done. Except no one will tell you how much internet you can use?

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  243. on May 1, 2009 at 2:10 am Tood

    ” figure that our current Feminist-informed setup has about 20 years, max, to go before it simply begins to implode on itself. ”

    I say just 11 years. See my 7:55 PM post. Many of the points have been listed in the past, but I think it is important enough that it bears periodic repeating.

    Men invented the technologies that butressed feminism (vacuum cleaner, microwave, washing machine, contraceptives, the PC, etc.).

    Men will invent the death of feminism (3-D VR sex with tactile interfaces, sexbots).

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  244. on May 1, 2009 at 2:15 am Gunslingergregi

    To be rich you do kind of need an excuse of why you of all people deserve to actually be better than everyone else. Phychologically you need this excuse to justify why you deserve it. Use you dissability as you percieve it to intead if using it to be poor use the excuse to be rich. Shits funny kind of ironic and all that.

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  245. on May 1, 2009 at 2:35 am Tood

    Obsidian wrote :

    For me, prison nor living on the streets scares me. Been there, done both.

    Really? Do tell….

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  246. on May 1, 2009 at 2:43 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””‘on April 29, 2009 at 6:56 pm z
    BTW……………….The most alpha man in the world,”””””””””””

    That second one was me though.

    He lives vicariouly through himself hahahah

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  247. on May 1, 2009 at 2:46 am Gunslingergregi

    True story went to a pt run smoking a ciggerette. Dude was like how can you smoke on the way to the run. I’m like shrug. I smoked him at the mile marker he couldn’t finish the run trying to keep up. Irony. There is bucketfulls of the shit running all over.

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  248. on May 1, 2009 at 5:50 am contrarian

    Let’s try some word substitution.

    xyz

    And yet, this xyz is puzzled as to why people consider him an xyz.

    Yes, it does puzzle me why people expect me to be subjected to the rules (such as they are) of a xyz I don’t play.

    3) Disgruntled men will band together and start taking things by force, usually from single women. Other, law-abiding men will still be quietly approving of this.

    And do you think this is a good thing?

    xyz matters, contrary to what xyz thinks.

    I didn’t say it doesn’t matter, I said it’s not necessary.

    ..

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  249. on May 1, 2009 at 7:12 am PA

    — Personally, I would never go to a female family doctor, though that’s more because I prefer explaining embarrassing facts to another gruff, no nonsense dude.

    My view is the opposite. If I were to go to a doctor with something embarassing, I’d rather talk to an “understanding” female physician than some dude who is already in his mind mocking me for being his bitch.

    — Hey David Alexander, who do you look more like, Urkel or Beetlejuice from the Howard Stern show?

    DA did once post his presumably real photo here once. It’s neither Urkel nor Beetlejuice. He’s smallish, thin, of darker complexion than I expected, with slightly neotonous face and a serious/thoughful look in the eyes.

    — Well, some race realists and guys like PA would freak out over the loss of their ethnicity’s physical appearance.

    Easy for you to scoff! By mixing races, all you sacrifice is a small degree of blackness. We sacrifice every aspect of our appearance!

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  250. on May 1, 2009 at 8:35 am PA

    The last word in the Greek alphabet, or perhaps some part of it, is caught by the word filter even if you try to disguise it.

    Yes. Specifically, it’s part of theat word that triggers moderation: “m e g a”

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  251. on May 1, 2009 at 8:49 am nilk

    In no way do I want to hinder a Woman’s right to choose.

    I just want to make sure that she deals with its consequences.

    Agreed, Obsidian.

    However, the problem is making sure that she is aware of exactly why she’s got that set of consequences. How did she get there?

    It’s rarely her fault, and when she does admit to some liability, there are plenty of people around – men as well as women – who will try to gently guide her back to the proper way of thinking.

    It’ll take a long time before women will be able to see that she might have to be somewhat accountable for her actions for a change.

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  252. on May 1, 2009 at 8:54 am Obsidian

    Anyone ever notice that Williard Libby *never actually discusses Women or Game*? We all know Dave Alex’s reasons for not doing so. What’s Willie’s?

    Anyway, Tood, no need to go into details, the past is the past; my point is that one reason why some Women can get over on their guys is because they know their guys are scared of “losing everything”. And think about it, w/all the posts Roissy puts up here about guys having their balls cut off by Women, is it worth it? It isn’t to me.

    I see material things as just that, material things. They can come and go, just like status can. Men who’ve actually lived life know this.

    Moreover, a good Woman never need fear or be concerned about treated fairly by a Man so long as he’s a decent guy to begin with-but here’s the trick-Women always choose who will and who will not tap dat azz. That’s the Nature designed things. So, if a Woman has a knucklehead on her hands, take a wild guess who’s fault for that, ultimately? And that being the case, she now must deal with the consequences. No buyout. No bailout. That’s only fair, because as Men we all know that if we screw up, they’ll be no such things for us. True equality. Gotta love it.

    Again, I’m all for Women doing whatever they wish; I just don’t wanna pay for it, and again here I have to respectfully disagree w/DA-why should the rest of us pay for a Woman’s private choices? I disagree w/DA’s view that if we don’t pay, then these Women will just snooker Betas into arrangements where they’ll have to pay, and to that I say, just take a look around-word is getting our via internet (remember Dave, its how you found out the real deal), and the real time stats speak for themselves-more and more Women of all colors are having kids on their own, and we make the assumption that they were forward leaning in said choices. I say something else. I say that at least some of the time, the guys wokeup and bailed.

    So, again, if Dave wants to help out a nondate ladyfriend of his who winds up preggers, good on him-so long as I don’t have to pay along w/him in the form of my taxes. Let Dave writeout a check. Then he can feel good about himself all the way around, by getting hugs, opening doors, and by voluntarily paying for another Man’s seed. All well and good.

    But the rest of us shouldn’t have to pay for such private choices, and in truth, more and more Men are refusing to do so by mere civil disobedience. Like I said before, Men, particularly the Betas, are literally disappearing from Public Life, accross the board. The pool of taxes will get harder and harder for Feminists to collect. The arguing over Daddy Testing will soon become moot as fewer and fewer Men will either sex at all, or do so only under tight controls (strict use of condoms, or other than vaginal sex, or both). Men will continue to simply walk away from a raw deal, even when kids are involved-who wants to pay for anything you have no say in how things go?

    Feminism is unsustainable, and rested on the false premise that guys would just simply accept the many raw deals that invariably come about as a result.

    The handwriting is on the Wall, and if Women are smart, they’d get with the program. “Marriage 1.0” was the best longterm deal for them in more than a 1000 years in the Western world. “2.0” is at best, an interesting layover on the road of life. But when former hot babe gets a bit of age on her, several babies by as many bay daddies, and who’s own gig is unstable because there’s always some youner gig who’ll do it cheaper while looking hotter at the same time, Life can be hard. That’s when you need a good guy the most, and doing your duty to him when you’re younger helps cement the deal. Now you’re alone, invisible, at best good for only an occasional pump and dump.

    Dang. But, then, this is the world Women want. They will have it.

    O

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  253. on May 1, 2009 at 9:11 am Tupac Chopra

    PA:

    My view is the opposite. If I were to go to a doctor with something embarassing, I’d rather talk to an “understanding” female physician than some dude who is already in his mind mocking me for being his bitch.

    Dude… :-/

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  254. on May 1, 2009 at 9:40 am Obsidian

    Nilk,
    I respectfully disagree, on several counts. First, Women know the deal, its just a lot of the time, they want to have others think otherwise. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Pookie isn’t the most reliable/stable guy around-but he’s exciting and exhibits traits that he may be good in bed. That’s fine, I’m a live and let live kind a guy-i just don’t want em to live *off me*, and that’s what Welfare does, you see. Again: why should you or me, or anyone else, have to pay for the *private choices* of someone else-in this case, who a Woman decides to spread her legs for? Why? If you can give me a sane, rational 21st century, postmodern, indeed, postfeminist answer, I’ll shutup. Women can and most do, work now. There are nearly an infinite number of reproductive and postreprpductive choices for Women now-from the Pill to simply leaving your newborn on the police station steps, no questions asked. In short, there’s simply no excuse, and its my aim to simply point these things out, and then kindly take a step back-along w/my wallet. She has made her choice. She must now do what all adults do, and deal with its consequences. If the child suffers, it does because SHE put it in a bad spot, not any of us.

    And again, let’s be clear-they have been and are today, many charitable orgs, that help “girls in trouble”-the problem is that they make value judgments. They tell you it was a wrong move to do such a thing, and, horrors, you don’t have a right to raise a child in abject poverty simply because you gave birth to it. Other people who are better qualified to become parents want that child. Its been successfuly done in this country and I suspect yours too, for decades. It can be done again.

    O

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  255. on May 1, 2009 at 10:45 am Obsidian

    Tood,
    Just scrolled back and saw your post. Ok, I think you make some interesting points.

    There has been much said in this venue and elsewhere about sexbots and the like, and I think its only a matter of time before something along these lines begins to happen in any major way. I think when it does, that the potential to “disrupt” the current situation insofar as Women are concerned is considerable, and will be very interesting to see how it plays out.

    As for regular guys “taking” things from Women while others stand by on the sidelines…maybe. What is very clear to me is that more and more Men will simply choose not to show up for Life.

    O

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  256. on May 1, 2009 at 11:40 am Tupac Chopra

    Yes, it’s very warm and comfortable in my shell. Why would I ever want to leave it and experience that harsh cold world outside?

    You must admit, if the discomfort is greater than pleasure, the goal is pointless, no?

    Nice loaded question there. But in goal-striving, one needs to endure temporary discomfort for the sake of long-term success. The pleasure *is* greater than the discomfort but only after a period of time. This is the nature of Life.

    I believe this is what they call “future-time orientation”. It’s what seperates adults from children.

    (Some would say it’s what’s seperates whites from NAM’s.)

    You yourself have lamented the state of blacks in the world. What do you think is going through some young black male’s head when he is told by a school counselor that he should get a respectable job and make a living, instead of gangbanging and slinging dope?

    “Fuck dat shit. This nigga ain’t moppin’ floors at McDonalds.” Better to keep doing what he’s always been doing, even it means violence and misery and cultural decay, eh?

    Have you any intention of following the developmental program I’ve laid out for you?

    You’ve written a lot about how much you hate being misperceived by your white peers as being just another stereotypical nigger.

    Well…

    Guess what, buddy….

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  257. on May 1, 2009 at 11:45 am Bhetti

    Welmer


    Whiskey

    It’s revealing that in the gay/female ghetto that is TV and most romantic movies, any time a workplace guy has a romance with a workplace woman, he’s always clearly “Alpha” and the dominant guy controlling other guys, the leader. One who notably does not dote on women, quite the reverse.

    I couldn’t think of a stronger indicator of female preference.

    Yeah, where’s the place for guys who actually like hanging out with each other, and don’t want to dominate so much as cooperate for a greater good? I’m not sure women can even begin to comprehend that.

    I’ve always had a special kind of contempt for guys who knife each other in the back over women, or who would snark away to push their fellows down. All too common these days.

    It’s a common thing in romance novels for the guys to be in groups with loads of male bonding. This serves in highlighting their positive masculine attributes: being hedonistic but also having a code of honour and a respected place among peers. They generally don’t fight over the women. However: this is more emphasised in terms of their friends, not their work.

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  258. on May 1, 2009 at 12:06 pm Virgin@40

    What best exemplifies the Beta of the Month?
    So, let’s see:

    An unerring devotion to the betrayal of his masculine essence. Not me.

    A complete lack of shame. Complete is too big a word. However I am not ashame for lacking shame. Which some times happen.

    A willingness to debase himself for the skankiest of pussies. Skankiest? Not me.

    White Knight Syndrome. Guilty as charged!

    Sensitive Man Syndrome. Fighting to pull it away.

    A lack of self-awareness. Yeah, greater than I though, though not as great as you might think.

    Desperation and obsession. Indeed, it’s me however I don’t show.

    Self-abnegation for little in return. It’s me to only few, few girls (one in the present).

    Inability to view women as anything other than flawless
    paragons of virtue and righteousness. Women no. But yeah, some rare women are like that. I call them angels. – Like my ten: They have no flaws that are important. They simply do not.

    Unremitting chivalry. Yeah. At least I try so. Anyone wants to do a duel? Touch a hair of my ten without her permission and you’re dead don’t matter what. However, if you came to me teasing me and punching me in the stomach, I’d probabily let you live unpunished. Even if you’re as weak as Strauss.

    Anhedonic. Don’t know what it means.

    Considers himself a feminist. NO, HELL NO!!!

    Sits cross-legged. Not since I was mocked by doing that in English class when I was 10 and wanted to go to the bathroom but the (hot!) teacher wouldn’t aloud.

    Afraid of own erection. Hm… not any longer. Tough last year, my sixteen year old cousin… sleeping next to me half naked… her head on my chest… her hand moving between my knee and my tight. Damn… I was afraid. I had to hide it by turning over.
    But damn, she is so promiscuous… she would continue: We were kind of hugged, me trying to sleep and she: “put your hand over here” and pulling my hand from her belly towards her ass protected only by silky pants. This while puting her lips next to mine, trying to kiss me. So hell yeah, sometimes, when there’s a little more intimate contact and she has not clearly consented it, I am afraid of my erection. That’s why I like the ten, she’s so outrageously great in many ways that, even if my non erected dick is slightly touching her ass, a physical erection will not be the first thing to happen: a spiritual one will preceed it.

    Veredict: I am very, very Beta but you have to push me a little bit further for me to be the Beta of the month. Feminism however? NEVER, EVER, EVER.

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  259. on May 1, 2009 at 12:34 pm Virgin@40

    11 minutes,

    Great video! Very, very powerfull. Thanks a lot.

    It just shows how you CANNOT be shy, how you have to take care of yourself, how important it is to not lose yourself. Do care about first impressions. In a way: Don’t sucumb.

    I don’t care too much on how I present myself: it’s good, beautifull, etc or what other persons think of me but I remember what my ten once said to me: “One time, I’ll pass by you and you’ll then be all meterossexual, cool and extroverted”.

    Well, I am not shy anymore. That’s a beggining.
    A great step towards happiness would be to stop pursuing the girl one loves in a desperate romantic and ideal way to pursue the girl that simply makes you always feel good and does not say a no to your sexual impulses. Even if she’s as ugly as Roissy.

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  260. on May 1, 2009 at 12:46 pm Obsidian

    Tupac,
    Like I said man, Dave Alex ain’t foolin’ no one but himself, and he doing a bad job of even that. He should just stop trying to contort himself into illogical knots trying to justify his own immaturity, laziness and fears of not knowing how to be a Man because of the pronounced failure(s) on the part of his own dad. It is as plain to see as the nose on his face.

    Again, I have no problem in the least w/what he chooses to do w/his life or how he chooses to do it. I just want him to stop trying to bullshit himself and everyone else about why he does it.

    O

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  261. on May 1, 2009 at 1:11 pm Tood

    Obsidian,

    The 3-D/Holographic immersive VR video game experience is only a few years away, and porn will be one of many genres that exist in it. World of Warcraft already has 11 million addicts. How many will be addicted once it is so realistic, and porn is a theme? Many. Anyone who says this cannot replace a real woman must also take into account that VR sex will always be with a virtual 10 or better, while the same man’s reality may be full of 6s and 7s.

    This will make it easy for men to disengage from life, as you mention, while also having fun in the process.

    Men forming gangs to take things : This has always been the norm in most human society. Marriage was one way that women were somewhat safe from this. But once a large portion of men are disenfranchised, they will revert to this age-old tactic, with the tacit approval of law-abiding men (and even the male police).

    Think about it. We already see men sympathizing with Rihanna’s boyfriend, etc. I think quite a few men on this board would like the incidence of violence against women to rise just a wee bit.

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  262. on May 1, 2009 at 1:17 pm Obsidian

    Tood,
    Gotta admit, you have a point. Something to think about, we’re not that far off from the scenarios you describe.

    O

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  263. on May 1, 2009 at 1:29 pm Tood

    Obsidian,

    I wanted to ask you for something, whenever you have the time.

    You have written across a number of comments in the past about how, in a relationship, a man must set the course early, and make the woman happy early. Otherwise, it can be impossible to right the ship after things are too far along.

    But as your wisdom is dispersed across a large number of posts, can you write up a more detailed essay on this subject (whenever convenient)?

    I suffered tremendously, earlier in life, by not identifying and addressing relationship problems early, thinking that I could ‘catch up’ if they got bad enough down the line. Big mistake. I think it is a mistake most men make. I lost everything I had, and thought of killing myself.

    Your insights on the topic would benefit a lot of people.

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  264. on May 1, 2009 at 1:38 pm David Alexander

    What do you think is going through some young black male’s head when he is told by a school counselor that he should get a respectable job and make a living, instead of gangbanging and slinging dope?

    One could argue that in a number of cases, they will always be unable to get a respectable job and make a living because they lack the IQ to do so.

    Mind you, even in a personal sense, while he may become less attractive to women by holding legal employment, he is taking himself out of a dangerous world with risks from other gang members, drug dealers, police, and prison and placing himself in a safer workplace. In other words, by switching lifestyles, he is decreasing his pain, and increasing his comfort factor, and gaining.

    Have you any intention of following the developmental program I’ve laid out for you?

    Think hard. You know the answer.

    You’ve written a lot about how much you hate being misperceived by your white peers as being just another stereotypical nigger.

    I still fail to see how you can put me in that pool. I’m a quiet kid who doesn’t bother anybody and my hobbies are innocent things like riding trains, driving my car, taking photos, and reading blogs. I pay for my car insurance, internet, and some of my food. I go to work, and I have two years of college completed* and I may to go back to school next semester.

    So how am I like the guy in a gang who sells drugs and doesn’t want to improve himself?

    *Woohoo, for the useless associate’s degree…

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  265. on May 1, 2009 at 1:41 pm Tood

    Technologies disrupt the fabric of society, for better or worse, almost immediately upon mass-market penetration.

    Two examples :

    1) Cellphones have made life a lot more convenient. But they also have made it 10 times easier to have an extra-marital affair. Before cellphones, the home landline was the only medium, where the other spouse could pick up.

    2) Internet porn is a huge augmentation above VHS cassette porn. Not only would many men not go to the store to rent a VHS cassette, but the movie may not be good. With Internet porn, you can easily search for exactly the porn star you want, or exactly the fetish you want (bouncing tits, big Japanese tits, striptease, etc.) I think this DOES damage relationships as the man can get addicted to this and lose attraction for his wife (which was not possible just from magazines or the VHS cassette hit-or-miss model).

    Once a porn-simulating 3-D/VR/Holographic game with tactile interface is available, things happen, for better or worse.

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  266. on May 1, 2009 at 1:47 pm contrarian

    I’m guessing Tood is thinking “man, I wish I could just go out there and rape some bitches.”

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  267. on May 1, 2009 at 1:55 pm David Alexander

    The handwriting is on the Wall, and if Women are smart, they’d get with the program.

    The problem is that Marriage 1.0 just tied people into their miserable marriages for the long-term. Marriage 2.0 just hands over large sums of money over to the ex-wife for sometimes dubious reasons. I don’t think that there will be a version 3.0 because if we take out of the income transference and inform beta males of characteristics of female attraction, no beta male would be willing to get married even with reforms because they know that the woman is not attracted to him and cannot be attracted to him ever.

    That’s when you need a good guy the most, and doing your duty to him when you’re younger helps cement the deal. Now you’re alone, invisible, at best good for only an occasional pump and dump.

    Asking women to bang beta males in the prime of their youth in lieu of alpha males is the equivalent of having handsome alpha males bang ugly fat women. It’s a waste of their time, energy, youth, and beauty when they could maximize their lives for sex with alphas. Thus, it’s the choice between a lifetime of boring and infrequent (and pointless) “duty” sex with a beta versus a five year period of great sex, and then sporadic decent sex as a pump & dump.

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  268. on May 1, 2009 at 1:57 pm David Alexander

    I think this DOES damage relationships as the man can get addicted to this and lose attraction for his wife (which was not possible just from magazines or the VHS cassette hit-or-miss model).

    For your average beta male, I suspect it’s a step up. Porn on demand combined with masturbation on demand beats waiting for her “mood”. 🙂

    Plus, the porn star is better looking. 😛

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  269. on May 1, 2009 at 2:12 pm Default User

    Virgin@40

    As well as the 11 minutes video there is also a video linked by Ben

    This is a guy that spends two years pining for a woman. Time he should have spent looking for another woman. Time he could have spend developing his game. From the video he seems fairly handsome and has a good physique. He probably could have found a good woman, but instead he wasted his time (9 months he said) creating this video.

    Result: Nothing. The lady in question has seen the video but has not contacted him.

    Lesson: If she is gone, she is gone. Do not waste your time worrying about the one that got away; worry about finding the next woman that will light up your life.

    The above is in reference to your “10.”

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  270. on May 1, 2009 at 3:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    I don’t see why virgin couldn’t get his ten. Just tell her you are the only man who will love her her whole life. Tell her you would be willing to walk through hell hand in hand with her. Tell her about what you said about the hair on her head.

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  271. on May 1, 2009 at 3:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Course if you love her and she is never with it you have to move on. Then just swoop in when she gets her first divorce. LOL

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  272. on May 1, 2009 at 4:19 pm Tupac Chopra

    DA:

    One could argue that in a number of cases, they will always be unable to get a respectable job and make a living because they lack the IQ to do so.

    Like clockwork, you venerate IQ while ignoring willpower.

    Have you any intention of following the developmental program I’ve laid out for you?

    Think hard. You know the answer.

    Nothing in my plan requires high IQ. Just drive and willpower.

    If you were to follow that plan I guarantee you will be tapping satisfactory ass in a year or so, give or take.

    Will you be tagging those porn stars you love so much? Nope, but neither are 90% of the guys here. But we manage to have satisfying sex lives.

    Having choice with women means that you lose all neediness. You can replace one at the drop of a hat. You will not be grabbed by the short hairs and manipulated into a shitty marriage. But you will still be having sex.

    Even if you don’t get laid, I can guarantee that after completing that program, you will be damn proud of yourself, and that your life will be better in many other ways.

    You’ve written a lot about how much you hate being misperceived by your white peers as being just another stereotypical nigger.

    I still fail to see how you can put me in that pool. I’m a quiet kid who doesn’t bother anybody and my hobbies are innocent things like riding trains, driving my car, taking photos, and reading blogs. I pay for my car insurance, internet, and some of my food. I go to work, and I have two years of college completed* and I may to go back to school next semester.

    So how am I like the guy in a gang who sells drugs and doesn’t want to improve himself?

    Because the fundamental characteristic of the ghetto slave is his inability to put aside immediate gratification in the pursuit of a better life, because he doesn’t possess the self-discipline to do so. He would rather do what comes easy — even if it means his life is mediocre, even if he requires the state to subsidize his lifestyle — than apply himself to overcoming his originis.

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  273. on May 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm Default User

    Gunslingergregi

    …Then just swoop in when she gets her first divorce. LOL

    Always an angle with you Gunslinger. 🙂

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  274. on May 1, 2009 at 5:29 pm Tood

    TokyoAllahKissed said : I’m guessing Tood is thinking “man, I wish I could just go out there and rape some bitches.

    This from the Omega who says Game is not necessary within relationships with women.

    At least ‘contrarian’ is an accurate name : you are contrary to all logic known to Alphas and Betas.

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  275. on May 1, 2009 at 6:43 pm David Alexander

    Like clockwork, you venerate IQ while ignoring willpower.

    All the hard work in the world is useless if your IQ is too low to do anything useful which leads to much frustration.

    Nothing in my plan requires high IQ. Just drive and willpower.

    I know that, but I’m just not willing to engage in your plan.

    Okay, maybe I’ll return to exercising, then lifting weights, and then go to a gym. Otherwise, I’m rather happy with myself, and I like being a beta!

    Nope, but neither are 90% of the guys here. But we manage to have satisfying sex lives.

    Admittedly, that’s because you’re not addicted to porn. Real life naked women without the porn accessories looks weird and not sexual.

    Because the fundamental characteristic of the ghetto slave is his inability to put aside immediate gratification in the pursuit of a better life

    Mind you, this is something that we all do in varying degrees in our individual life. The difference is that some of us do it in frivolous areas like sex while others do with our basic living habits. And I stated, the life of a gangbanger is harder and more difficult than the life of his law-abiding low wage counterpart.

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  276. on May 1, 2009 at 6:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””Default User
    Gunslingergregi

    …Then just swoop in when she gets her first divorce. LOL

    Always an angle with you Gunslinger. “””””””””””””

    Yea default you can never forget a 10. I will probably look mine up again one day add her to my collection.

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  277. on May 1, 2009 at 6:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””Tupoc,
    Will you be tagging those porn stars you love so much? Nope, but neither are 90% of the guys here. But we manage to have satisfying sex lives. “”””””””””””””

    If he follows my plan he doesn’t have to do anything but work and he can tap the exact same woman he sees in his movies. He can have them act the exact same way they do in the movie while hes tapping. My method owns.

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  278. on May 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””Tupoc,
    Even if you don’t get laid, I can guarantee that after completing that program, you will be damn proud of yourself, and that your life will be better in many other ways.”””””

    This would be true.

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  279. on May 1, 2009 at 6:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””David Alexander,
    And I stated, the life of a gangbanger is harder and more difficult than the life of his law-abiding low wage counterpart.””””””””””””””‘

    LOL man a gangbanger doesn’t give a fuck about anything. How is that difficult. It is fun but not difficult.

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  280. on May 1, 2009 at 6:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    Neither is saving a 100 g’s legally. Not as fun as gangbanger

    Which is better for you in the long run.

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  281. on May 1, 2009 at 7:56 pm JAM

    Tood and Obsidian:

    > You have written across a number of comments in the past about how, in a relationship, a man must set the course early, and make the woman happy early. Otherwise, it can be impossible to right the ship after things are too far along.

    I heartfelt second this request, O. As a late, conscious learner of game, this is something that I’m glad I picked up on, but I know a *lot* of guys that could benefit from this if presented clearly, cogently and coherently. Like a Jedi to his Padawan.

    > not be good. With Internet porn, you can easily search for exactly the porn star you want, or exactly the fetish you want (bouncing tits, big Japanese tits,

    Of course this has expanded the market dramatically, even in the offline world. One of the fun games I used to do with my girlfriends was to go into a large downtown adult shop and then go on a treasure hunt. I’d string together a bunch of random genres (MILF-midget-gangbangs!) and whoever found the first video in that sub-sub-subgenre won. Oddly enough, we always found what we were looking for. The prizes for winning the contests were mutually beneficial.

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  282. on May 1, 2009 at 8:11 pm JAM

    Tood

    >Technologies disrupt the fabric of society, for better or worse, almost immediately upon mass-market penetration.

    As Stalin said prior to the Wehrmacht’s defeat by the Red Army: “Quantity has a quality all its own.”* 5 computers are good for tabulating census stats. But 500 million mean that a middle-income person can have his floor vacuumed by one. 1000 sexbots are toys of the rich. 1 billion of them radically alter the sexual marketplace.

    *This is something I would jokingly use whenever the topic of sex came up. That and “dyspareunia is better than no-pareunia” for medical students and residents. Cue: another commenter using the phrase “mass market penetration.”

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  283. on May 1, 2009 at 8:49 pm Obsidian

    Tood,
    No problem man. I’ll do what I can in this post to explain things to you as I’ve lived them and as I’ve observed them in the Men around me in my life in the past. And if you have any questions, no problem, we can take it from there. I’d also like to call on the other “elders” in the room for input. By no means do I have all the answers, and in many ways, am still learning.

    In many ways, I’m from the old school man, that’s how I was raised-the Man is the head, the leader of the family, of the relationship-even if its a one night stand, you’re still the leader. Now-there are all kinds of leaders. Good ones and bad ones. Kind, benevolent ones, and totalitarian dictators. Ones with longevity, and ones who burout like a match. So, its good to study up on leaders so you know which end is up.

    Women are wired such that, on average, they’re looking for leadership in a Man, and they can “sniff” this out in a Man w/o him having to necessarily “broadcast” it. This is where Game becomes important, the idea of “congruancy”-you gotta be solid internally and that “match up” with what you show on the outside if you want to project to the world that you have what it takes to lead effectively.

    So, when you get past the initial meeting phase, etc w/a Woman, you need to be setting ground rules. In fact, a Woman is *looking for you to set ground rules*. They don’t have to be a phonebook thick kind of thing, lol, just some basics, detailing a bit of what you’re about and what you expect of her, and what she ca expect of you. This is very important, because Women are deeply interested in security, emotional and otherwise. So, if you don’t set some rules, she’ll begin to be unsure if you can provide her with security, and that can be quite problematic later on down the line.

    Women will test you, so you need groundrules that’ll be enforceable. Like I said, keep em real simple and congruant to you, something that can really only come over time. A big part of Game is good ole introspection; like Sun Tzu said, know your enemy, know yourself. Not that Women are the “enemy” but I trust you get my point.

    The Man sets the pace, tenor and tone of the relationship, just as he leads in the dance on the dancefloor. If the couple looks good, its because he made it so, and if they look horrid its because he f*cked up. Its really as simple as that. The more experience you have, the better you’ll be in this thing. Don’t sweat the small stuff, don’t take things too seriously, and always be on the lookout for ways to up your Game. You’ll be just fine.
    The Obsidian

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  284. on May 2, 2009 at 12:02 am contrarian

    Tood

    This from the Ω who says Game is not necessary within relationships with women.

    As I have explained many times before, it is clearly impossible for me to be an Ω since I don’t play the game. And no, game is most certainly not necessary within relationships.

    At least ‘contrarian’ is an accurate name : you are contrary to all logic known to Alphas and Betas.

    What are alphas and betas? Nobody knows.

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  285. on May 2, 2009 at 12:35 am Tood

    Obsidian,

    Thanks, man. I will bookmark the essay.

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  286. on May 2, 2009 at 12:36 am Tood

    “As I have explained many times before, it is clearly impossible for me to be an Ω since I don’t play the game. ”

    That IS part of being an Omega. Trying to be ‘above’ those who play the game in a weak attempt to mask the reality of being below it, is essentially Omega.

    “And no, game is most certainly not necessary within relationships.”

    How would you know?

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  287. on May 2, 2009 at 10:56 am Default User

    Gunslingergregi

    Yea default you can never forget a 10. I will probably look mine up again one day add her to my collection.

    You might never forget her but you moved on. That was my point to Virgin@40. When you are young it is easy to think you have all the time in the world. You do not.

    He is more likely to have success with his 10 by reducing his contact with her (if she likes him she will realize that she misses having him around), and building the confidence and swagger that comes from success.

    With his new found swagger and the social proof of other attractive women around him he can then swoop in when he is ready. I hope that would not be post divorce.

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  288. on May 3, 2009 at 8:07 pm dougjnn

    Default–

    He is more likely to have success with his 10 by reducing his contact with her (if she likes him she will realize that she misses having him around), and building the confidence and swagger that comes from success

    Dead right.

    But I, Obsidian, you and others have said this many times and he may say thanks for the advice, but then soon after sounds like he’s never heard it, or it’s rolled off his back.

    He’s quite David Alexanderish in that way, though he engages less in the argument of impossibility than DA.

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  289. on May 4, 2009 at 7:37 pm chic noir

    Gofer Todd Palin is a loser who looks like a female-to-male transsexual
    Are you serious? That man is a very good-looking 40 something. He even has thick hair still. I saw an interview he once gave, he came across as very shy and sweet. I’ve heard some stories about the shy ones, they are often full of surprises for us women 😆

    Whiseky “Disgruntled men will band together and start taking things by force, usually from single women. Other, law-abiding men will still be quietly approving of this. ”
    Jack I can’t wait for this. Unfortunately, it would need to get a lot worse first.
    :acksmiley:
    *runs behind Mu, dujgun, & welmer*

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  290. on May 4, 2009 at 7:37 pm chic noir

    Welmer Oh great, now we have sir dougjnn cruising in for the rescue.
    Have fun jacking off to Bhetti’s pics, Doug, ya big alpha hero.
    Nothing like a “woman in distress” to bring out the inner pussy in men.

    NO that makes him alpha. What woman would want to be with a man who won’t, or at least attempt to protect her. I know this is strictly online and all but…

    gig
    come on Obsidian!
    You, Chic and Nicole are among the Top-10 commenters here. Stop with this Its no accident that once prominent Black voices in this venue are now all but gone BS
    You rang???

    Mu Chic’s recent appearances have been much pared down due to similar reasons.
    Yes, very true and fear of contracting the swine flu took me out of commission for the last few.

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  291. on May 4, 2009 at 7:38 pm chic noir

    javascript:add_smilie(“:acksmiley:”,”smid_55″)

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  292. on May 9, 2009 at 9:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””Chic Nor,
    NO that makes him alpha. What woman would want to be with a man who won’t, or at least attempt to protect her. I know this is strictly online and all but…””””””””””””””‘

    Yea that is drawback to online. In real life you would just start punching to face with disrespect like that. Who the fuck sits there and yells insults forever. I guess it is a good part too as maybe you can learn to express anger without violence.

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  293. on October 15, 2009 at 8:05 am The disease is in your genes « In Mala Fide

    […] creation, they are left intellectually impotent in the face of reality. Say what you will about sluttastic harpies like Jessica Valenti who write tomes on why chastity is a myth – at least they’re […]

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