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The Most Exciting Sex

May 1, 2009 by CH

I’ve written before that the path to sexual nirvana is through hot women. The hotter the girl, the steamier the sex. Simple formula. So put away your Zen and the Art of Existential Orgasm books and your handcuffs and mood lighting and liquor and rohypnol and owl masks and instead focus on landing yourself a hot babe. No need to overcomplicate things. Your penis cannot be fooled.

Once you’ve satisfied that basic requirement for nutblasting sex, there are ways to turbocharge the sex into the stratosphere of awesomeness. When you mix together certain ingredients you can achieve paralytic sexual bliss; the kind of orgasm that will stiffen your entire body as if it were a mere appendage to the centrality of your dick, and seize your brain in a white light-pricked near life experience.

Public sex is a necessary precondition. There needs to be a real threat of getting caught. You must also be outdoors in the woods, communing with Mother Vulva. The crackle of twigs underfoot, the sun streaming through a canopy of oak leaves, the chittering of small and not so small woodland creatures, and the invigorating organic aroma of pristine air and decomposing brush will throw in stark relief the animalistic nature of your love. There must be people in the vicinity. The thrill of seeing people while fucking and not being seen by them is incomparable. It’s like a one-way mirror where the observed subjects going about their daily mundane routine act to heighten the depravity on the other side. If some of those people are children under the protective wing of their parents, even better. The wicked ascends on the backs of the innocent. The risk of despoiling in a most evil fashion the purest among us will inflame your lust.

There must also be clothes in the way. You will feel your boner harden like steel-forged nipples when you have to push up a skirt or pull aside running shorts and panties to gain access. Clothes — and the clumsy grappling to move them out of the way — will pump your blood with the urgency of fast and furious sex.

Your woman must be either an angel on earth, or a dirty whore. A middle of the road typical chick with gangbang experience under her belt or a commitment to the three date rule isn’t going to cut it. If you want to lift yourself to the heights of ecstacy you must feel like you are piercing the womanhood of a truly uncorrupted vagina, or, on the opposite end, spiraling downward into the pits of sin with a filthy slut.

One of the most exciting sexual experiences I ever had happened in the woods, mid-day, springtime. We had just finished a hike and I pulled her off the designated path deeper into the wood. She was wearing loose-fitting running shorts. She was married, and I knew this. I was fucking a cheating whore. I pressed her chest against a boulder that fully concealed us from view and yanked aside her shorts for rear entry. We heard voices approach. She balked, unconvincingly. No no no I don’t think this is a good idea. Ignoring her, I drove it in hard hoping to make her yelp in pain and was surprised by the wetness of her pussy. She had lubed up in mere seconds. The voices neared us. Some were the high-pitched squeals of children. I looked around the boulder and saw through the low branches of the trees a troop of girl scouts clambering down the hiking path, a few parents strolling lazily beside them. Forty feet separated the girl scouts from the penetrance of my manhood into my married whore’s cunt. They stopped; I held steady, cock buried to the hilt. A squirrel rummaged through dead leaves on the ground. My lover twitched. I had my hand her throat and felt her pulse with my fingertips. My grip tightened. One of the girl scouts wanted to go in the woods for a pine cone. We heard her pleading with her father. She took a few steps toward our boulder of love, then turned back around when someone shouted “doggie!” and they all went racing toward a labrador that had jumped in a large pond. The voices receded. I resumed my pumping action, inflicting scrapes on my lover’s cheeks and arms from pushing her against the stone. Her knees went wobbly with orgasm and she slipped down the rock a few inches, stifling the moan that wanted to rip out of her lungs. I halted her stumble and with a mighty final thrust unloaded inside her, a river of molten balljuice flooding her hole, my bulk mashing her face into the boulder. White spots danced in my mind as my peripheral vision temporarily faded. I had timed my blast perfectly to the happy squeal of a distant girl scout.

Later we passed them and the wet doggie who had jumped in the pond. I petted it on the head and exchanged pleasantries with the parents.

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  1. on May 1, 2009 at 11:41 am contrarian

    roissy

    Your woman must be either an angel on earth, or a dirty whore.

    If she’s willing to have sex with you in a public place, she’s no angel.

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  2. on May 1, 2009 at 11:42 am ironrailsironweights

    You forgot the most important rule of all: the girl must have a GNP.

    Peter

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  3. on May 1, 2009 at 11:43 am macdis

    oh, now that’s rich.

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  4. on May 1, 2009 at 11:45 am Carl Sagan

    Not bad.

    It is a narrative like this that makes me wonder just how dirty a typical women can and wants to be.

    I have a feeling a majority of women want to:

    1) Be fucked hard with hair pulling and some choking.

    2) Be fucked in a public setting or somewhere outdoors.

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  5. on May 1, 2009 at 11:47 am lurker

    Roissy, I can now not leave my desk. Well played.

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  6. on May 1, 2009 at 11:47 am Obsidian

    Roissy, we’ve disagreed on some things recently, but on this point, I have to 100% agree, based on my own direct experiences. Tru dat, friend. Tru dat.

    O

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  7. on May 1, 2009 at 11:53 am feministx.blogspot.com

    Does this turn any women on who are reading?

    It’s just regular old pump and dump. I don’t know why you people find this exciting. Because a girl scout could see you?

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  8. on May 1, 2009 at 11:55 am Rum

    Res Ipsa Loquitor

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  9. on May 1, 2009 at 11:57 am kam

    “Does this turn any women on who are reading?”

    yes

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  10. on May 1, 2009 at 12:01 pm jb

    You posted a while back about Brad Pitt’s common-law marriage. I just saw some magazine cover proclaiming that they’re splitsville and “BRAD’S KEEPING THE KIDS!” Sounds like you were right.

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  11. on May 1, 2009 at 12:04 pm ironrailsironweights

    You are aware, I presume (and in the exceedingly unlikely possibility that this tale is actually, you know, true), if the the Girl Scouts had seen you, today you would be a registered sex offender.

    Peter

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  12. on May 1, 2009 at 12:07 pm maurice

    hmm. “Dear Penthouse … I never thought this would happen to me…”

    I had sex with my gf in the bathroom of a train in Spain once. Heading to Madrid from Toledo or something like that. We could hear people going by in the aisle outside the door. There is definitely a rush, a thrill of the forbidden, that enhances the experience. And I disagree w/ feministx here – it’s a thrill for men and women alike.

    Makes me think of that classic Woody Allen movie in which Louise Lasser can only have sex in public, so Woody has to run around with her doing it in hidden public places, and mugging his discomfort the whole time. That’s the one where they are speaking Italian and smoking the whole time, mocking the euro new-wave type films. “come pan francese…!”

    But how does this relate to Roissy’s earlier point about banging the hottest girls you can? It seems like he was saying both are best for maximum intensity of expereince. Was the cheating spouse a 9 or 10…? If not, did the context explain the extra excitement? For me, anyway, if I have a 9 or a 10, it won’t matter where I am. I don’t need the thrill of possible exposure to be extremely aroused. In fact, the privacy of a bedroom or hotel room might be better, because there are fewer constraints. Maybe that’s just my sexual lack of adventure, though. Like Woody said (again! in a different movie) – the worst orgasm I ever had was right on the money.

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  13. on May 1, 2009 at 12:10 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    Roissy just probably makes up half this shit. If not half, then all of it. I mean, what was the point of that ridiculous animal sex exhibit convo? Why does Roissy bother hitting on any girl at all? Is it a habit he can’t break?

    The man writing this blog doesn’t need to take his ass of the couch to get laid.

    Roissy’s inbox:

    Slut 1: Hi, I found your blog and you sound like the kind of guy who really knows what a woman wants. I live in DC. my number is 555-…

    Slut 1: Ok, so I hate to admit it, but your blog really turns me on. Do you use IM?

    Slut 3: Ive been reading your blog for a long time and I just have a personal question for you…

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  14. on May 1, 2009 at 12:12 pm Tarl

    “She was wearing loose-fitting running shorts. She was married, and I knew this.”

    Bridge Girl? =)

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  15. on May 1, 2009 at 12:21 pm Patrick

    Bravo, sir.

    Great post to start the weekend.

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  16. on May 1, 2009 at 12:30 pm Slut #4

    Don’t really care if it’s true. Good story.

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  17. on May 1, 2009 at 12:31 pm The G Manifesto

    Well written.

    Great Falls?

    Potomac river?

    – MPM

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  18. on May 1, 2009 at 12:36 pm Maria

    feminist you can’t even count.

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  19. on May 1, 2009 at 12:39 pm The G Manifesto

    feministx.blogspot.com

    “Roissy just probably makes up half this shit. If not half, then all of it”

    What is so unbelievable about it?

    Sounds like a typical Wednesday day.

    – MPM

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  20. on May 1, 2009 at 12:39 pm Obsidian

    Upon reflection, I do think its important to note that, hotter babes lead to hotter sex, *provided said hotter babe isn’t a deadfuck*-and there is some evidence out there that suggests that on balance, the hotter the gal, the less likely she is to really be raunchy. But all of this is really a personal preference thing, so live and let live.

    O

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  21. on May 1, 2009 at 12:39 pm Asian Women Are Ugly

    Look at what Contrarian said. He is so fucking stupid.

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  22. on May 1, 2009 at 12:41 pm lurker

    Feministrix, don’t you have to pay for some groceries by putting out? I mean, probably with your eyes closed, since you’re a lesbian hooker.

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  23. on May 1, 2009 at 12:41 pm Peter

    The Science in Society blog has posted a response to recent swine flu news, putting it in perspective with previous flu pandemics. Here is a piece comparing flu intervention in 1918 and today. An excerpt:

    Just how important is starting countermeasures early, and what kind of interventions work? The tragedy of the Spanish flu provides a natural laboratory for public health measures, as cities throughout the US differed both in scale and timing of their interventions.

    Medical science in 1918 was still getting on its feet. The majority of older physicians of the time were not educated under the scientific regimen of the Flexnerian revolution. The leading bacteriologists of the day mistakenly believed that influenza was a bacterial disease, and it was not until 1943 when it was recognized that a virus was responsible. As a result, medical intervention in the pandemic was of questionable value, not least because most of the best doctors had been drafted to serve in the military for WWI.

    However, nonmedical interventions were also employed. These included quarantines, isolation of the sick in makeshift wards, closure of public gathering places such as churches and schools. Quick action (as measured by when flu cases rose to double the baseline number of cases) had a strong correlation with reduced mortality, and that maintaining the measures was important to keep the disease from spreading.

    St. Louis, for example, closed schools and canceled public gatherings early, and maintained quarantines for over ten weeks, leading to a significantly lower mortality rate. However, not all cities were as proactive; the median duration of these interventions was only four weeks, insufficient to protect the population. Some cities were even counterproductive: Philadelphia hosted a military parade to promote war bonds, over the objections of numerous doctors and public health officials. Soon afterwards, it became one of the hardest-hit cities in the US.

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  24. on May 1, 2009 at 12:41 pm Patrick

    FemX writes:

    “Why does Roissy bother hitting on any girl at all? Is it a habit he can’t break?

    The man writing this blog doesn’t need to take his ass of the couch to get laid. ”

    Why do you bother to post to a blog you apparently detest? Sure, Roissy probably has gotten a few offers from random sluts and perhaps even the rare quality woman via this blog, but any man of his comport would regard such blatant come-ons by women via the blog with a degree of skepticism and detached amusement and most likely devalue her as a result. You’re projecting your feminine perspective onto the masculine experience, and it doesn’t work.

    Roissy doesn’t look for “easy” he looks for a challenge. Its not a conquest if the natives don’t put up the requisite tension-building resistance.

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  25. on May 1, 2009 at 12:44 pm The G Manifesto

    The only thing you should have done different is you should have sparked up a joint.

    For style points.

    – MPM

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  26. on May 1, 2009 at 12:50 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Why do you bother to post to a blog you apparently detest? ”

    I love this blog.

    “but any man of his comport would regard such blatant come-ons by women via the blog with a degree of skepticism and detached amusement and most likely devalue her as a result.”

    Not really. She has just as much chance as any of being hot.

    “What is so unbelievable about it?”

    Nothing. This guy could be real. Or he could be someone inventing a character.

    This kind of Alphatism requires low level sociopathic tendancies, and such people would tend to be more closeted about their natures. They wouldn’t go posting real life exploits and pics of themselves.

    And people that write this well are introspective observant people. I would generally expect a disconnect between the tone used in writing and the tone used in real life presentation.

    So, chin up ladies. Since 95% of the women reading this blog just want to pin Roissy down as their boyfriend, I’m guessing that the real Roissy is a better dude than this blog suggests. He’s more empathic.

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  27. on May 1, 2009 at 12:51 pm contrarian

    Asian Women Are Ugly

    Look at what Contrarian said. He is so fucking stupid.

    Oh look, Stormfront is here again.

    What, exactly, is stupid about what I said? A woman isn’t an angel just because she says is, or just because someone else says she is. Fucking in public places is not something an angel does.

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  28. on May 1, 2009 at 12:51 pm Pupu

    That event could have consumed an entire Big Mac.

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  29. on May 1, 2009 at 12:52 pm cheater

    “A middle of the road typical chick with gangbang experience under her belt or a commitment to the three date rule isn’t going to cut it. ”

    I didn’t know that middle-of-the-road, typical chicks had gangbang experience. Am I that out of it?

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  30. on May 1, 2009 at 12:52 pm Obsidian

    Patrick,
    I’d even take a step further, wrt FemX’s laments about Roissy: so what if he does get offers, follows up and actually gets laid from em? What’s it to FemX, and who difference does it make to what’s being written here? Arguably, she could give testimony to the basic premise: that sex tends to be hotter w/a more physically than less physically attractive partner, and that certain conditions are more conducive to hotter sex than others. That’s why in my first post on this thread, I had to give the man dap on what he said. In fact, I don’t really see how anyone could disagree w/it and still keep a straight face.

    Going bac to your point Pat, again, I have to ask, why is FemX here, when by all accounts she finds this venue anathema to all that she stands for? Again, got nothing against her personally, I’m just sayin.

    O

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  31. on May 1, 2009 at 12:54 pm Firepower

    …and race baiting discussion to commence in

    three
    two
    one…

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  32. on May 1, 2009 at 12:57 pm dougjnn

    feministx=

    Does this turn any women on who are reading?

    It’s just regular old pump and dump.

    It’s just a bit rich to have a straight up lesbian, who disingenuously pretends to be bi, attack the sexiness of a hetero sex story here.

    But hey, that’s the sort of thing lesbos do all the time.

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  33. on May 1, 2009 at 12:57 pm Asian Women Are Ugly

    You obviously can’t read, or are too dense to grasp a simple concept. Try re-reading the sentence you were so quick to blockquote and criticize, you stupid fuck.

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  34. on May 1, 2009 at 1:00 pm JAM

    FemX:

    > … low level sociopathic tendancies, and such people would tend to be more closeted about their natures. They wouldn’t go posting real life exploits and pics of themselves.

    projection

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  35. on May 1, 2009 at 1:01 pm JAM

    FemX:

    > … low level sociopathic tendancies, and such people would tend to be more closeted about their natures. They wouldn’t go posting real life exploits and pics of themselves.

    *cough* projection *cough*

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  36. on May 1, 2009 at 1:03 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “, I have to ask, why is FemX here, when by all accounts she finds this venue anathema to all that she stands for?”

    Gotta know the enemy.

    “It’s just a bit rich to have a straight up lesbian, who disingenuously pretends to be bi, attack the sexiness of a hetero sex story here.”

    Oh, it’s a fine story. But I think it would be disappointing in real life.

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  37. on May 1, 2009 at 1:06 pm Obsidian 2

    Something about black people, etc…

    Comments? (asked even thought this is the fucking comments section).

    O

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  38. on May 1, 2009 at 1:09 pm dougjnn

    Patrick–

    Sure, Roissy probably has gotten a few offers from random sluts and perhaps even the rare quality woman via this blog, but any man of his comport would regard such blatant come-ons by women via the blog with a degree of skepticism and detached amusement and most likely devalue her as a result.

    First I think there’s absolutely NO DOUBT at all that Roissy’s had quite a number of email “flirt feelers” from female readers who were prepared to go all the way and fast if he was. Further most of these girls were probably at least attractive. I’d bet none were lower than a 6 and most were 7’s with maybe an 8 or two or several. Self selection. Roissy definitely writes from a choosy place.

    Actually I could name some names of commenters that have probably thrown themselves at Roissy. But I won’t. Ok I will hink about one Russian chick living in NYC who hasn’t commented here in ages. But there are a number of others. As well there are FAR more readers than commenters.

    As to whether Roissy goes there, your stated reason for why not isn’t close.

    The reason to not do is to avoid mixing the blog and real life. It’s to keep the veil of anonymity. Any girl that reads here and that Roissy bangs is inside the veil. She can out him. Well the same is true of some of his wingmen I think, but they’re bros and they’re not getting dumped.

    So that’s the real issue. Some girls he may have felt could be trusted, and wouldn’t feel “dumped”, just that they’d mutually played together.

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  39. on May 1, 2009 at 1:10 pm contrarian

    Asian Women Are Ugly

    You obviously can’t read, or are too dense to grasp a simple concept. Try re-reading the sentence you were so quick to blockquote and criticize, you stupid fuck.

    Translation: “Oh no, I don’t have an appropriate response. I guess I’ll just spout random bullshit and hope nobody notices.”

    .

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  40. on May 1, 2009 at 1:12 pm Patrick

    “This kind of Alphatism requires low level sociopathic tendancies”

    Exactly.

    “Not really. She has just as much chance as any of being hot.”

    No, no she doesn’t. Hot women, by and large, do not seek out men for sex in the manner you’re suggesting. What fucked up rom-com have you been watching?

    “And people that write this well are introspective observant people. I would generally expect a disconnect between the tone used in writing and the tone used in real life presentation.”

    Why not make Roissy an offer he can’t refuse, and find out?

    I’m guessing that the real Roissy is a better dude than this blog suggests. He’s more empathic.

    This is likely true, but don’t confuse strategic empathy for truly giving a shit.

    Obsidian – she says she loves it, so against my better judgment, I’ll take her at her word.

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  41. on May 1, 2009 at 1:14 pm Obsidian

    Well, what can I say, imitation *is* the highest form of flattery…

    Anyway, FemX, cmon. By your own admission you’re a lesbian. Therefore very little of what Roissy or just about anyone else writes here applies to you in any real sense. There is no “enemy” here, because for the most part, you and Roissy aren’t fighting over the same Woman, and I would like to think that he would do so. It clearly is not worth it.

    So again, I have no personal axe to grind here, just asking out loud why the whole thing is so important to you to the point that you find it necessary to spend time in a venue you clearly find lacking.

    Comments?

    O

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  42. on May 1, 2009 at 1:15 pm schoolboy

    “Men weren’t really the enemy — they were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no bears to kill.”- Betty Friedan (surprisingly a feminist.)

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  43. on May 1, 2009 at 1:17 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Hot women, by and large, do not seek out men for sex in the manner you’re suggesting. ”

    Betatude. If it turns ’em on that much, they will.

    “This is likely true, but don’t confuse strategic empathy for truly giving a shit.”

    Lol, ok. Roissy is the Great Prophet of Game, invincible to all human weaknesses and vice. He doesn’t lie. He doesn’t feel lonely.

    Nope. This is Don Draper the garrulous. As if such a thing is possible.

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  44. on May 1, 2009 at 1:24 pm dougjnn

    schoolboy–

    “Men weren’t really the enemy — they were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no bears to kill.”- Betty Friedan

    That’s what’s know as seducing men into giving up one of their balls — and becoming malleably beta. Gee, it’s almost as if this meme flowed straight to Hollywood and the entertainment media generally, and permeated the place. Wait, what ….?

    That outmoded masculine mystique is exactly what Roissy and most alphas here are urging men to reclaim. Well, ideally with some sophistication, appropriate to the current day.

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  45. on May 1, 2009 at 1:24 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Men weren’t really the enemy — they were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no bears to kil”

    I wholeheartedly agree. Men are not the enemies. Feminism is supposed to be beneficial for them too by providing them with greater freedom in exchange for less power.

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  46. on May 1, 2009 at 1:25 pm SCUM BAG BILLY (z)

    Speaking of going back to nature, there is the fucking bitch responsible for the spread of the SWINE FLU.

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  47. on May 1, 2009 at 1:26 pm havana

    x2 Obsidian

    ————————————————————————-
    Contrarian quote: “If she’s willing to have sex with you in a public place, she’s no angel.”

    yeah… keep telling yourself that.

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  48. on May 1, 2009 at 1:29 pm dougjnn

    Patrick–

    Oh, and an email “flirt feeler” to Roissy from a 9 isn’t impossible.

    Roissy has developed a considerable amount of internet fame / notoriety all around his knowledge of how to seduce women – and secondarily around his ripping women off the pedestal that our culture reflexively puts them on.

    If you don’t think that’s powerfully attractive to a lot of women, including very hot ones, then you have much to learn about women.

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  49. on May 1, 2009 at 1:30 pm contrarian

    havana

    yeah… keep telling yourself that.

    I will, since it’s simply the truth.

    Being an “angel” means that you have to adhere to certain standards of conduct.

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  50. on May 1, 2009 at 1:30 pm maurice

    I met Roissy a few times for drinks – he comes across pretty much as you’d expect from this blog. Very cool, smart guy – no disconnect. Sorry, FemX. btw, I looked at your blog and there was much confused agonizing about race and bloodlines in your last few posts. groan… it’s the 21st century, and traditional Indian society is a century or two behind the west in this regard. If you’re actually a lesbian, then why the interest in male game? how are we “the enemy” if you are totally disengaged? And why the concern over bloodlines if you’ll never breed?

    On the e-mail propositions, any male imagination is likely to be intrigued (at a minimum) by supplication to that degree. Not that it’s ever happened to me, but I wouldn’t automatically assume lower value from a female who does that. You have to screen for quality, not assume its presence/absence. Girls obviously have desire too, and I respect the healthy (tasteful, restrained, honest) expression of it. Not exactly the same as supplication, come to think of it. (Other thoughts?) It does seem odd to a man to proposition someone you’ve never seen or met. But as we all know, here, the female mind works in very different ways.

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  51. on May 1, 2009 at 1:31 pm Mr.M

    fem-x,

    went over to cite your pretty pink blog in hopes to characterize you as the prostitute (having sex with a mover-man) and the crazed lunatic (fearing male aggressive to the point where you think women will be killed) you are…

    then i read a snippet of your latest post, some babble about marriage and not dating black men… but then i realized you’re indian…

    which makes me believe that you stink. not just the typical B.O. you find wafting around in the gym…true rancor; where you emanate with a combination of curry and ugly female poonjuice seeping through your pores. clearly, this stench has affected your brain function, as…well, i think you’ve provided example enough of this already, thanks.

    so i’ve decided to take pity on you, and lead you to a location that might better suit your time (and ours):

    http://www.ivory.com/YourIvoryProducts_BodyWash.htm
    (since you obviously don’t like ebony)

    note – in the off-chance you claim to clean yourself regularly, i’m willing to bet you have 50 types of perfume and/or cologne. as you’ve recognized your stench and try to mask it…but make no mistake, it still clouds your brain nonetheless.

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  52. on May 1, 2009 at 1:32 pm Lance

    “Hot women, by and large, do not seek out men for sex in the manner you’re suggesting. ”

    Betatude. If it turns ‘em on that much, they will.

    i’ve got to go with feministx here. there’s a first time for everything. it’s true that hot women don’t generally seek out men, which is why things like craigslist casual encounters and adult friendfinder are full of UGs, but emailing a popular blogger is not the same thing as advertising for sex on the interweb.

    and considering this blog, how many women below a 7, maybe a 6, would really open themselves up for rejection, and possible abuse, by soliciting roissy.

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  53. on May 1, 2009 at 1:32 pm Default Lucifer

    Thus spake contrarian:

    If she’s willing to have sex with you in a public place, she’s no angel.

    Fallen angels are the best kind.

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  54. on May 1, 2009 at 1:36 pm Sasquatch

    This is a good post because it allows Roissy’s readers to masturbate and read Roissy’s post at the same time, without annoyingly having to constantly switch tabs back and forth.

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  55. on May 1, 2009 at 1:41 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “btw, I looked at your blog and there was much confused agonizing about race and bloodlines in your last few posts. groan… it’s the 21st century, and traditional Indian society is a century or two behind the west in this regard. If you’re actually a lesbian, then why the interest in male game? how are we “the enemy” if you are totally disengaged? And why the concern over bloodlines if you’ll never breed?”

    The only reason I want to get married is to have children. I do not want to raise children with a woman. I want the father in the picture. I don’t care what other people do, but that is what I am doing.

    The male game is on some level the focal point of feminism. And Ive already said, it’s not male game. It’s just game. It will work for any gender and sexual orientation in any direction.

    MrM, why did you waste the energy on that post?

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  56. on May 1, 2009 at 1:42 pm adrock

    i came. thanks.

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  57. on May 1, 2009 at 1:43 pm havana

    contrarian quote:
    “Being an “angel” means that you have to adhere to certain standards of conduct.”

    Ok let me be more clear…..
    You find a girl who does ‘adhere to certain standards of conduct’. BUT if you do follow her standands of conduct 110% then you are just being a beta.

    A woman may have ‘certain standards’ but they can be broken. You just gotta play it right…

    like for example if your trying to get a girl whom you are dating for the 1st time to got to your room to have sex with you, u can’t just say “come on over and have sex with me”. 9.9/10 she will say NO! regardless of her ‘standards’

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  58. on May 1, 2009 at 1:43 pm Mr.M

    MrM, why did you waste the energy on that post?

    probably the same reason you blog. but at least that only took a few minutes (well spent, i might add).

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  59. on May 1, 2009 at 1:44 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    Oh, and Im really not insecure about my race. I don’t care and I kind of like my appearance. My post about marriage is completely sincere though it’s a bit tongue-in-cheek.

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  60. on May 1, 2009 at 1:44 pm Default Naturalist

    feministx, ironrailsironweights (GNPeter)

    I am far from an Alpha player but have enjoyed a similar situation (sex in a public place with a risk of “capture”).

    So this story is entirely plausible.

    Just think Peter, sex in the bushes…Heaven.

    PS
    I just noticed that you send your comment with a “Submit” button. Very Alpha.

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  61. on May 1, 2009 at 1:46 pm dougjnn

    maurice —

    If you’re actually a lesbian, then why the interest in male game?

    feministx is a pretty lipstick lesbian predator. Not gorgeous but pretty. A 7, maybe a high 7. She’s high T but doesn’t much look like it. Her preferential target is hot white women who are bi curious, at last for casual conquest sex. (She’s found converting them to having a lasting relationship with her far harder.) Hence tips and wisdom on how to game hot straight women fascinate her. She also has a realist frame of mind. I’ve noticed that many smart (Asian) Indians do.

    Most straight up lesbians are not hot or even good looking. That is what’s wrong with sticking with them, from her somewhat unusual but not unique pretty butch lesbian perspective.

    And why the concern over bloodlines if you’ll never breed?

    I have an interest in such things and I’ll never breed. I’ve decided not to have kids and have had a vasectomy.

    Besides if she wants kids she might breed. She can bear being fucked by men, she just doesn’t enjoy it, but does it from time to time for ulterior reasons. Kids would be a BIG ulterior reason, don’t you think? (And there are sperm banks and turkey basters.)

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  62. on May 1, 2009 at 1:46 pm maurice

    Mr. M – that was needlessly rude and offensive. I don’t mind calling FemX on vaguely racist commentary and politics of sexual orientation, etc. In fact, I just did. That’s part of the discussion on this kind of board. But crude ad hominem (uh, ad feminem) attacks based on racial type are just mean. It’s not Alpha to be cruel and demaning – quite the opposite. I know there’s a range of styles of commentary here, but please, all, let’s not be nasty. Civil discussions are the most interesting and fruitful.

    I realize that I have called anyone else out on the many previous racist posts, but that’s because they were generic and not aimed at someone in particular. I know I’ll get called a supplicating beta for this, “leaping to the defense of a helpless female” or whatever. Sorry about that – I’m still right.

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  63. on May 1, 2009 at 1:49 pm mnl

    Geez, I got a pup-tent by reading that. Damn you, Roissy. Now I’ve gotta go find the missus and re-enact that one…

    …Okay I’m back now. Whew!

    But seriously, Roissy, you’ve got a future in writing romance porn novels.

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  64. on May 1, 2009 at 1:53 pm lurker

    Feministirx, please regale us with how selling your ass for sex=feminist.

    P.S. you’re going to sit there and take the pounding from a man you don’t like just for a few kids? Why?

    Oh wait, I know: see Roissy’s posts on how men get raped in divorce. Nothing would please this slut more than to secretly hate him and his penis throughout the marriage and then cheat on him with some butch, take him to court, and steal all his money. Maybe she’ll even get a different man she also hates to father her children. Then she can compeltely “subevert the patriarchy” and raise her (female only–she’ll abort the males) children with Lesley in some lesbian commune on her ex’s dime.

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  65. on May 1, 2009 at 1:54 pm dougjnn

    Feministx–

    Feminism is supposed to be beneficial for them too by providing them with greater freedom in exchange for less power.

    Greater freedom to do what? Stay at home and raise the kids, or work part time and do so?

    What percentage of men want to do that.? It turns out that infant care just isn’t much in our genes, the way it is in women’s. Turns out that men that do do these things generally become significantly *further* emasculated.

    Feminism was “supposed” to do lots of things for men, according to it’s own PR.

    It just hasn’t.

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  66. on May 1, 2009 at 1:55 pm maurice

    Sorry, meant to say “have NOT called out”. Not that I have any more business “calling out” anyone – it’s just that I usually ignore the long threads about race on this blog because they go nowhere and are not interesting.

    FemX, thanks for the clarification, I guess. So, a beard husband just to raise kids, eh? Isn’t that appallingly retro for a 21st c. feminist? Why not just go to a sperm bank? Unless you want male companionship yourself, sexual or otherwise. Please elucidate. Damn, I can’t believe I’m interested in this.

    dougjnn, how do you know so much (or are guessing so much) about FemX ? If she/you are hot, post a picture! Don’t be afraid to share your beauty with all us virtual cavemen.

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  67. on May 1, 2009 at 1:55 pm contrarian

    havana

    Ok let me be more clear…..
    You find a girl who does ‘adhere to certain standards of conduct’. BUT if you do follow her standands of conduct 110% then you are just being a beta.

    Thank you for once again confirming the fact that “beta” is a completely meaningless word (as a result your statement is equally meaningless, so try again).

    A woman may have ‘certain standards’ but they can be broken. You just gotta play it right…

    I don’t want to break them, and if they can be broken then she is not an “angel,” but merely pretending to be one.

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  68. on May 1, 2009 at 1:57 pm Mr.M

    maurice – i know.

    however, i’m not a devout fan of indians, much like how black women do not like asian men (well, nothing like that at all). don’t shoot me a racist just yet – i rarely act out on my own prejudices, generalizations, and personal experiences/observations…guess you’ll have to trust me on that.

    but, an indian female that is a radical and vocal feminist? i couldn’t resist!

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  69. on May 1, 2009 at 1:58 pm Firepower

    i’m sick of all the shit about Alphas being “smiley jokey cuddlmuffinz” who “thass cool, man” about every problem or opponent.

    Explain Blackbeard, Ceasar or Stalin.

    No using “Dr. Xavier” “Tyler Durden” or any other fictitious bullshit, either

    i did like the nature fuck story bc it relates to a standard game i use on new gfs

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  70. on May 1, 2009 at 2:00 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    ” Don’t be afraid to share your beauty with all us virtual cavemen.”

    Maurice, there are lots of pictures of me on my blog. The first page tells you everything you need to know.

    doug, I would have guessed that I was an 8, but I have heard 7 from some.

    “Please elucidate. Damn, I can’t believe I’m interested in this.”

    I don’t clarify this one. Some guys get it. Those are the ones I talk to.

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  71. on May 1, 2009 at 2:01 pm whiskey

    Why does FeminstX indeed object to the sex?

    Answer: Sex is a zero sum game, more sex for straight men and women = less sex for lesbian women. Or at least, fewer possible partners.

    This is also true for Gay men as well.

    The Free Market with money as a trading tool for preferences (time, money, etc) is not a zero sum game, but most human transactions are. This was the biggest lesson I had to learn.

    I don’t see why Roissy would be labeled a “sociopath” by FeministX. He merely gives women what they want. Oh now I get it, but crushing the pretty lies he arouses ire. Women (Lesbians and straights both) hate being reminded that the more jerky a man is, the more women want him, within the bounds of Alphadom obviously.

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  72. on May 1, 2009 at 2:01 pm Wonka

    Fiction. Again.

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  73. on May 1, 2009 at 2:05 pm maurice

    FemX – no worries. Excuse me for taking an interest.

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  74. on May 1, 2009 at 2:10 pm maurice

    also, Mr. M – understood. Didn’t mean to imply anything other than that the post was a little much. Thanks for keeping the temerature down.

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  75. on May 1, 2009 at 2:11 pm Patrick

    Dougjnn, Lance, FemX, et alii,

    Notice I said “by and large,” denoting that there are exceptions to this rule.

    I don’t believe for a moment that Roissy would turn down the overtures of a true 8 or 9 for the sake of the blog’s integrity, out of some notion of separating “real life” from online reportage.

    Any reputation/identity damage that could be inflicted upon Roissy by a pumped-&-dumped trollop could easily be returned in kind and with far greater social risk to her (I.E. she’s not likely to be the one disguising the digicam).

    “If you don’t think that’s powerfully attractive to a lot of women, including very hot ones, then you have much to learn about women.”

    I made no comments on what women find powerfully attractive, but I don’t doubt that it is indeed attractive to women in general as I’ve experienced it myself — but thanks for the trite master-apprentice condescension, sensei.

    What percentage of women who are turned on act upon it to the tune of seeking roissy out? We don’t know, but its likely quite low, and probably weighted to the midrange (middling chicks like alpha just as much, you know). That’s not to say its insignificant, as banging a couple hotties out of perhaps thousands who liked your blog post is highly efficient and a good day’s work.

    But lets not kid ourselves. You gentleman are reinforcing the indefensible positions of a idiot who once wrote:

    “Personally, I think that straight men finding Gisele beautiful is stranger than finding visible body mutilation beautiful.”

    Frankly, such idiocy disqualifies her from any serious commentary and should give you pause when you find yourself aligned with her on issues of attraction.

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  76. on May 1, 2009 at 2:13 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Answer: Sex is a zero sum game, more sex for straight men and women = less sex for lesbian women. Or at least, fewer possible partners.”

    In theory I wouldn’t mind sharing though. The problem is that men won’t just share. They want me too. But let’s be clear. Beta males are no threat to my sexual interests.

    “I don’t see why Roissy would be labeled a “sociopath” by FeministX. He merely gives women what they want. ”

    He admits to being a difficult and elusive jerk that deliberately plays with emotions for his own amusement.

    Roissy, do you not believe that you have some mild sociopathic tendencies when it comes to women?

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  77. on May 1, 2009 at 2:14 pm dougjnn

    Maurice–

    dougjnn, how do you know so much (or are guessing so much) about FemX ? If she/you are hot, post a picture!

    Because I’m good at reading people, including women. And I talked with her and drew her out yesterday, or was it the day before that?

    As for knowing about her appearance, she has pics on her blog that she pointed me and others to. Look under personal comment.

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  78. on May 1, 2009 at 2:17 pm David Alexander

    Oh, it’s a fine story. But I think it would be disappointing in real life.

    Like porn or mind control stories? 🙂

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  79. on May 1, 2009 at 2:20 pm dougjnn

    Whiskey–

    I don’t see why Roissy would be labeled a “sociopath” by FeministX.

    There’s nothing very original or surprising about her saying that. It is after all on of the “dark triad” that a number of psychologists say go into the personality makeup of men who tend to be the best seducers of women.

    Further, it’s clear from his posts here and in some ways even clearer from some of his response in comments to some of his commenters.

    But then again Whiskey, although you’re a bright guy, you’re a bit rigid, and not so good at reading people.

    Feministx

    Roissy, do you not believe that you have some mild sociopathic tendencies when it comes to women?

    Yes, he would admit it, or rather proclaim it — if he bothered to respond.

    Mild only. He also has social concerns though. They are a part of the reason for this blog, though having a rapt audience is a bigger one.

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  80. on May 1, 2009 at 2:21 pm Lucius Vorenus

    feministx.blogspot.com: The only reason I want to get married is to have children. I do not want to raise children with a woman. I want the father in the picture.

    1) How old are you?

    2) What’s your background?

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  81. on May 1, 2009 at 2:21 pm maurice

    yeah, i looked after her last post. Yes – easy on the eyes! Still confused though.

    FemX – game is not sociopathic. Exhibiting dominant male behaviors is not sociopathic. Understanding basic elements of female psychology is not sociopathic.

    see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath

    Game and seduction require greater understanding of and empathy for a partner’s emotional state, not less.

    I just read the Gisele/African mutilation post – yipes. Patrick, you have a point there.

    FemX, sorry to have bothered you on details about yourself. Won’t happen again.

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  82. on May 1, 2009 at 2:21 pm maurice

    yeah, i looked after her last post. Yes – easy on the eyes! Still confused though.

    FemX – game is not sociopathic. Exhibiting dominant male behaviors is not sociopathic. Understanding basic elements of female psychology is not sociopathic.

    see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath

    Game and seduction require greater understanding of and empathy for a partner’s emotional state, not less.

    I just read the Gisele/African mutilation post – yipes. Patrick, you have a point there.

    FemX, sorry to have bothered you ion details about yourself. Won’t happen again.

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  83. on May 1, 2009 at 2:23 pm maurice

    sorry ’bout the double post…

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  84. on May 1, 2009 at 2:26 pm Lance

    He admits to being a difficult and elusive jerk that deliberately plays with emotions for his own amusement.

    that description sounds like just about every woman i’ve ever known.

    Roissy, do you not believe that you have some mild sociopathic tendencies when it comes to women?

    so just what are you saying, ms. x?

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  85. on May 1, 2009 at 2:30 pm Fabian

    Speaking of Roissy’s popularity:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/roissy.wordpress.com

    An impressive 53% increase in page viewings in the last three months. Perhaps getting mentioned on “The Errant Wife” and Feministx’s blogs have brought some fresh readers over…to be converted. MWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

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  86. on May 1, 2009 at 2:30 pm Virgin@40

    Roissy. I don’t care to have a great orgasm right now or in the next year. After all, male orgasm is just well… it’s pretty simple.
    Also, I’ll have lots of time to great-orgasm.

    What I really want is a way to makw a girl great-orgasm. I mean, to make her ALWAYS remember the orgasm she had with me as the best. In a way, I want to be known by females as the best fucker who has haver lived. To such an extent that if I have a chance to have sex with my ten I can make her – or another ten or even a nine – opt for me instead of the (not that) alpha boyfreinds hot girls desire: beautifull enough, nice enough, rich and with great social vallue so that they can make the other girls jealous.
    I, with your help, came to understand that women (especially hot) really want a men to show off to other women.
    (Man offer a ring to get the value (girl), women marry for getting value (ring, money, a man to show off to friends, someone who understands her, children, etc = EVERYTHING BUT THE MAN AS VALLUE).

    You Roissy would be usefull if you were able to shed some light in the Great Female Orgasm I can proportionate to a nine or one ten, my ten preferably, which is so intense, but so intense, that she will forget all the “show off social vallue boyfriend” and want me for sex.

    Or that she simply cannot forget my dick deep insie her belly to the extent that she will comment that her boyfreind does not know how to fuck. And she tells him exactly that 🙂

    After that, I will have all the time to have my very own great orgasm. In the end, life ain’t all about sex.

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  87. on May 1, 2009 at 2:31 pm Seeking Alpha

    I was sad that TokyoJesusFist wasn’t around here anymore to annoy us with banality.

    Am I slow for just figuring out that he’s contrarian?

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  88. on May 1, 2009 at 2:34 pm Tarl

    Anyone who refuses to be a beta and submit to the dogmas of feminism is obviously a sociopath, and should probably be involuntarily committed until they can be cured of their dangerous mental disorder!

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  89. on May 1, 2009 at 2:35 pm Caligula

    I picture something like in this trailer when I read that:

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  90. on May 1, 2009 at 2:36 pm TokyoDefaultUser

    Seeking Alpha

    …Am I slow for just figuring out that he’s contrarian?

    Yes.

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  91. on May 1, 2009 at 2:38 pm dougjnn

    Seeking Alpha /Billy / Pointing Out —

    Am I slow for just figuring out that he’s contrarian?

    Yes.

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  92. on May 1, 2009 at 2:41 pm Tarl

    What I really want is a way to makw a girl great-orgasm.

    We might have to add “excessive concern for female pleasure” to the list of beta qualities. =)

    Roosh has it right:

    http://www.rooshv.com/2008/it-doesnt-matter-if-she-orgasms-or-not

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  93. on May 1, 2009 at 2:43 pm Virgin@40

    EH EH! GREAT ROISSY!
    I want to be you when I grow up.

    P.S. – We don’t differ much in imagination. It only appears that you do indeed practice what you imagine.

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  94. on May 1, 2009 at 2:49 pm Firepower

    us sociopaths are uber hawt

    T-Bun always had a gaggle of gash lining up on conjugal visit day.

    Women are fucked-up. The outmoded term of ‘sociopathy’ is one way to trump their fuckedupedness; they dig it.

    the only thing better, is schizophrenia bc it gives you something better to talk to than a attention-whoring blogerette

    werd

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  95. on May 1, 2009 at 2:49 pm anonymous

    Her knees went wobbly with orgasm and she slipped down the rock a few inches, stifling the moan that wanted to rip out of her lungs.

    Wobbly knees, loss of tone, and moaning are not sine qua none of an orgasm. Interesting that the author did not include the only true sign.

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  96. on May 1, 2009 at 2:53 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Understanding basic elements of female psychology is not sociopathic.”

    Exploiting them is. Roissy is not giving women what they want (not they he has an obligation to). He’s taken advantage of their gullibility much like a sociopath takes advantage of the naive when he swindles them for money. People who get swindled didn’t want that and women who get used by sex by men like this don’t want to be treated this way. They do not want a guy that messes with their heads and doesn’t really care about them or want any future with them.

    And I don’t care if Roissy does it, but the fact that other guys aspire to be like him and emulate him is disturbing. Why can’t guys want to have a loving stable relationship with a woman that they are compatible with?

    I somehow find that more sane than chasing 9s and 10s by strategic manipulation.

    “Like porn or mind control stories?”

    would depend on the porn star.

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  97. on May 1, 2009 at 2:57 pm Jack Burton

    “Feminism is supposed to be beneficial for them too by providing them with greater freedom in exchange for less power.”

    And the popularity of feminism among men can be explained by the comparable popularity of homelessness, which offers a similar bargain.

    Not that feminism offers normal women anything they actually want or need, either, of course.

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  98. on May 1, 2009 at 2:58 pm Mr.M

    Wobbly knees, loss of tone, and moaning are not sine qua none of an orgasm. Interesting that the author did not include the only true sign.

    a 3-ft stream of ejaculatory fluid?

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  99. on May 1, 2009 at 3:00 pm Tupac Chopra

    Why can’t guys want to have a loving stable relationship with a woman that they are compatible with?

    Because those women are doing everything in their power to fuck the upper 20% of guys and leaving the rest to clean up the mess they make.

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  100. on May 1, 2009 at 3:02 pm maurice

    Disagree with the apparent praise of sociopathy, and, in the same vein but more extreme and on-point here, disagree with Tarl/Roosh about the female orgasm. It’s not alpha to be a prick, and it’s not beta to care about other people. Recall Robert Greene’s “The Art of Seduction”, which any aspiring PUA worth his salt has read. The best and most famous seducers in history could think like women – understood them and empathised with them, even as they showed a certian distance and manipulative behavior. (Maybe that’s what some commenter above meant by sociopathy – in which case, I modify my remarks as well: that’s within bounds.) But exhibiting pure a**hole behavior attracts a certain kind of female, one who will be submissive and therefore uninteresting over the long term.

    We shouldn’t overcompensate for the errors of feminism by turning into jerks and thugs. Easy to make comments along those lines in this flame- and exaggeration-friendly blog comment forum. But the truth will out over time. a**hole game works – being an **hole over time never does.

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  101. on May 1, 2009 at 3:05 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Not that feminism offers normal women anything they actually want or need, either, of course.”

    What would that be? Forced dependancy on a frustrated beta male?

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  102. on May 1, 2009 at 3:05 pm Virgin@40

    “Roissy, I can now not leave my desk. Well played.”

    Lol I was in the same state too. Fortunetly enough, I am alone at home, trying to help a freind in a depression through the internet.

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  103. on May 1, 2009 at 3:14 pm Lance

    Exploiting them is. Roissy is not giving women what they want (not they he has an obligation to). He’s taken advantage of their gullibility much like a sociopath takes advantage of the naive when he swindles them for money.

    again, this sounds much more like how females operate in relationships than men. when a woman uses a male friend for emotional support, then springs a LJBF when he tries to escalate… or when she withholds sex or otherwise uses sex as a means to get what she wants… or when she cries and gets emotional rather than discuss some issue with her significant other. all these things demonstrate a ruthless ability to use the other person’s feelings as a means of extracting what she wants without offering what he wants in return.

    and i’m not attributing this to any innate evil in women. it’s just simply that women tend to be more socially and emotionally suited for behaving this way. in other words, they’re better at it. if roissy strikes you as a sociopath, it’s only because he manages to turn the tables and operate with the same sort of impunity that most women enjoy. this makes sense as game is, at its essence, a form of guerrilla warfare.

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  104. on May 1, 2009 at 3:14 pm xsplat

    I’m surprised that I’m surprised that some people think the story is fictional.

    I’ve run out of fingers and toes for the numbers of times I’ve had public sex. Some of it was a bit extreme. If you consider fingering a girl while she is lying down on two chairs directly underneath the TV that shows the football match in a sports bar to be extreme. Or sex in low surf on a busy beach to be extreme. I can’t think of a single woman I’ve been with who wasn’t turned on by public sex – if you count sex in a toilet stall as public.

    My all time most extreme? Sex in the middle of the road – with the security guys in the booth down the street watching, and a few people rounding the nearby corner.

    Ah, memories. Had some just the other day.

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  105. on May 1, 2009 at 3:17 pm Mr.M

    this makes sense as game is, at its essence, a form of guerrilla warfare.

    watch now, femx might go ahead and theorize that somehow men are ultra-violent and kill all women…………………………..yeah.

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  106. on May 1, 2009 at 3:18 pm maurice

    OK, saw FemX’s reply after I typed the above. I think I see what you mean now, and think I was trying to say the same thing in a different way. Not that everyone here would agree, of course.

    Game is based on providing what women *really* want and are attracted to, not what they think they should respond to and what feminist theory says they should want. You ignore female desire: why are women being “used” if they are getting what they want? Very different from the swindler – false analogy.

    Now if relations are developed based on the deliberate intent to hurt or betray, then I’m kind of with you. It’s not alpha to set out to hurt girls you date. (That’s why I find “In the Company of Men” so appalling. Absolutely unwatchable.)

    But if people come together, have a fling or a f*ck or a relationship and then part ways – not so. If a man ends a relationship with a woman that he entered into in good faith, with open information on what his needs and expectations are, and the woman objects or disagrees – too bad. She has the same right to do it to him, as we all know. That’s not sociopathic, in my view- it’s just male choosiness, which is so rare today that women are natually confused and angered by it.

    Also Mr. M – HAH! anonymous – how about you tell us what you think the one sure-fire sign is …?

    Not sure why I’m posting so much today – slow afternoon, I guess.

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  107. on May 1, 2009 at 3:19 pm Mr.M

    My all time most extreme? Sex in the middle of the road – with the security guys in the booth down the street watching, and a few people rounding the nearby corner.

    how does that even happen??

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  108. on May 1, 2009 at 3:19 pm dougjnn

    Tupac Chopra

    Feministx: Why can’t guys want to have a loving stable relationship with a woman that they are compatible with?

    Because those women are doing everything in their power to fuck the upper 20% of guys and leaving the rest to clean up the mess they make.

    You though who have sampled many women after getting game are ultimately planning on doing that, aren’t you?

    BTW, how important to you is it that the woman you settle down with not be a supposedly reformed slut — and what’s your idea of a slut for these purposes?

    Oh and further btw, who’s that Socrates looking dude you’re using as your icon at the moment? Not a pic of you ten years ago I trust. 😉

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  109. on May 1, 2009 at 3:23 pm I heart Asian

    @ Asian Women are Ugly-

    Did a sweet, feminine, nice Asian girl with smooth silky skin steal your boyfriend or did one break your heart and left you for a more Alpha male?

    Just askin’!

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  110. on May 1, 2009 at 3:23 pm xsplat

    how does that even happen??

    The mechanics are simple. She always wore miniskirts, and never wore panties. All she had to do was touch the pavement with her palms. Even though it was only ten seconds, those were some ten seconds.

    If memory serves, we were more leisurely behind a nearby car that night. Might have been a different night though.

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  111. on May 1, 2009 at 3:27 pm Fabian

    feministx:

    Here’s the supreme fuck-up of feminism: it’s historical revisionism at its worst.

    Patriarchy existed in most cultures of the world for most of history because it WORKED. And why did it work? Because for most of history people died like flies from disease, famine and war. Therefore the social system that ensured women had the most babies was going to greatly increase the chances of long term survival for the group, and that’s what patriarchy did. If the last 40 years of history and the existence of Game as described in this blog are any indication, when given the choice, women choose to be noncommittal promiscuous whores. So does it really surprise you that men had to keep women in line? I mean, really? And by “keep in line”, I don’t mean “whip and beat” every day. That’s just not how most women were treated, even in England 1000 years ago. It was understood that women just don’t do certain things, and most women accepted that. Outside the bounds of those restrictions, women screamed, yelled, nagged, and bitched, and made their opinions known throughout the ages, just like they do now. And people fell in love throughout the ages as well.

    So this leads to my supreme question for you:

    Why the fuck are women so bitter about history? If you accept my “necessity” argument, then there is no reason for women to harbor this grudge against men in general. Women had to be treated a certain way back then, and now thanks to lots of available food and medical care, they don’t anymore.

    I’m willing to guess that most men in general are pefectly happy with women going to school, pursuing their passions, speaking their minds, etc. What most men don’t appreciate is women like you who have a “You-Fucked-Us-Over-So-I’m-Gonna-Fuck-You-Over” attitude.

    So what gives, dear?

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  112. on May 1, 2009 at 3:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    How am I supposed to not go home tomorrow now?

    Ahhhhhhhhhh

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  113. on May 1, 2009 at 3:31 pm maurice

    Something totally off-point: Anyone see the review of the new movie by Steven Soderbergh, “The Girlfriend Experience”, starring porn star Sasha Grey? Kind of the opposite of conventional prostitution. A little sad as well – I’m pretty sure most here would agree. Anyway, just putting it out there – read the review this morning and kind of rolled my eyes. And though this group might like to know about it.

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  114. on May 1, 2009 at 3:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””schoolboy
    “Men weren’t really the enemy — they were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no bears to kill.”- Betty Friedan (surprisingly a feminist.)””””””””

    Burn that qoute in effigy.

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  115. on May 1, 2009 at 3:37 pm dougjnn

    xsplat —

    Or sex in low surf on a busy beach to be extreme. I can’t think of a single woman I’ve been with who wasn’t turned on by public sex – if you count sex in a toilet stall as public.

    Yeah, public or semi public sex is almost obligatory to cement your solid alphadom in the mind of a girl you’re gonna be with for a bit.

    Sex in the water, be that the ocean at easy standing depth, with other people about, or in a large hot tub with another couple in there as well, or parting around the edges, or in pool under the same conditions, is all good. So is sex in an ally way off a busy street in Soho, with lots of pedestrian traffic walking by on the street, with her pressed up against one of the buildings, legs around you, never had panties to begin with, skirt hiked up.

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  116. on May 1, 2009 at 3:40 pm dougjnn

    Maurice–

    Something totally off-point: Anyone see the review of the new movie by Steven Soderbergh, “The Girlfriend Experience”, starring porn star Sasha Grey?

    THE review?

    (I thought that was coming out in June.)

    Got a link?

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  117. on May 1, 2009 at 3:41 pm kam

    yet another example of why i think roosh hates women

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  118. on May 1, 2009 at 3:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””feministx.blogspot.com
    “, I have to ask, why is FemX here, when by all accounts she finds this venue anathema to all that she stands for?”

    Gotta know the enemy.

    “It’s just a bit rich to have a straight up lesbian, who disingenuously pretends to be bi, attack the sexiness of a hetero sex story here.”

    Oh, it’s a fine story. But I think it would be disappointing in real life.”””””””””””””

    Come on guys. Get it. Fem dreams that roissy will be the one to make her love sex with a man.

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  119. on May 1, 2009 at 3:46 pm Obsidian

    Virgin40,
    Aside from studying things like the Perfumed Garden and the Kama Sutra, I’d also advocate reading Women’s Erotica. That will give you powerful clues as to what turns Women on. After that, understand that a Man has to get it hard and keep it hard w/o popping off too soon. The longer you stretch out the session, the more likely she’ll call out for Jesus.

    There’s more but get those basics, and holla back.

    O

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  120. on May 1, 2009 at 3:47 pm maurice

    well, the one I read today. Don’t remember if it was in the NYT or Gawker or somewhere else. Or maybe it was The Onion. (Yes, I’m revealing my reading habits a bit here…) It is showing at the Tribeca Film festival so maybe it was connected with that. Strangely, a Google search doesn’t show the link to anythign I would have read. Here’s one though:
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1103982/

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  121. on May 1, 2009 at 3:48 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Patriarchy existed in most cultures of the world for most of history because it WORKED.”

    But it was cruel. It still “works” and it is still cruel. The rate of reproduction in Afghanistan is better than Scandanavia.

    “Yeah, public or semi public sex is almost obligatory to cement your solid alphadom in the mind of a girl you’re gonna be with for a bit.”

    The only thing needed to validate alphadom is that you get the sex you want when you want it. If you want public sex, then you should have it. If you don’t care either way, then getting it does nothing to cement alphadom.

    “What most men don’t appreciate is women like you who have a “You-Fucked-Us-Over-So-I’m-Gonna-Fuck-You-Over” attitude.”

    No one is fucking you over. You have the same fair opportunity as anyone else.

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  122. on May 1, 2009 at 3:48 pm xsplat

    Yeah, public or semi public sex is almost obligatory to cement your solid alphadom in the mind of a girl you’re gonna be with for a bit.

    You know, I never thought of it that way. I just thought that I didn’t give a flying fuck, and it really turned me on.

    I guess that’s saying the same thing, though, isn’t it?

    I mean, getting caught by security guards for fucking in their mall toilet, and then handling the post sex interview, (twice, with different girls, in different countries), I guess that speaks to being beyond the law, and able to handle cops. Some sort of social dominance involved there.

    Certainly monkeys like to be public about it – with the Alpha. And private about it with the beta chimp.

    Look at me – I’m the king of the god damned world!

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  123. on May 1, 2009 at 3:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’m about to fucking pass out thinking about my past outdoors experiences. I am losing blood to brain. Fuck.

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  124. on May 1, 2009 at 3:52 pm xsplat

    On a related note, I suppose it’s alpha to make your woman parade around in skimpy clothes. My new love interest felt awful exposed in this Muslim town going out in nothing but my shirt. She’s a petite asian, so it was as big as a dress on her – but still.

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  125. on May 1, 2009 at 3:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Camping trip whipped my dick out at the picnic table had the chick suck it in front of everyone lol

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  126. on May 1, 2009 at 4:00 pm David Alexander

    Why can’t guys want to have a loving stable relationship with a woman that they are compatible with?

    Because it’s impossible for a woman to have a committed sexual relationship with a beta male.

    What would that be? Forced dependancy on a frustrated beta male?

    Hence why I wrote that while Marriage 1.0 sucked, and Marriage 2.0 was biased toward the female, Marriage 3.0 can’t work because we know that women are simply incompatible with beta males.

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  127. on May 1, 2009 at 4:09 pm Tupac Chopra

    Doug:

    You though who have sampled many women after getting game are ultimately planning on doing that, aren’t you?

    I’ve been considering it. Gettin’ old, man.

    And I need to make up my mind, pronto. Reading this blog probably isn’t helping. Heh.

    BTW, how important to you is it that the woman you settle down with not be a supposedly reformed slut — and what’s your idea of a slut for these purposes?

    I can deal with a “reformed slut”, IF and ONLY if, she has to my satisfaction demonstrated that I’m daddy and she’s my babygirl. But it would take a lot to convince. Preliminary reports indicate that this might only be possible with 7’s and below for me.

    I would have no problem with a college girl who is letting loose in her college years. I’ve known a few women who slutted it up in college, who realized this was their “time to shine”, who then cut that shit out after graduation and went on to be faithful, loving wives.

    But a girl over 25 who is still in the nightclub/bar scene? Not fucking likely.

    My problem, like DA, is that my standards are a tad high. If I can’t manage to compromise, I may just end up joining Roissy in soliciting prostitutes and drinking heavily in my later years.

    Oh and further btw, who’s that Socrates looking dude you’re using as your icon at the moment?

    Bukowski.

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  128. on May 1, 2009 at 4:10 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Marriage 3.0 can’t work because we know that women are simply incompatible with beta males.”

    Look, a lot of us want 1 million dollars but we don’t get it unless we work a job and probably a job we don’t really love doing that much.

    If you want a hot girl, find your inner alpha. This blog is practically a script for this. What is the problem?

    And for people like Virgin@40, look if you need Roissy to hold your hand and walk you through how to land a 10 and keep her satisfied anymore than he does now, you deserve to be a virgin at 40.

    DA, I respect that you seem to know what’s up but refuse to change yourself because you are uninterested in playing the game. Otherwise, if you don’t want to be a beta then don’t act like one. If you can’t figure out how not to act like one, then you are a hopeless beta. Deal. You’re also not a professional athlete or Bill Gates.

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  129. on May 1, 2009 at 4:12 pm dougjnn

    Maurice–

    Yeah before you linked I went to IMDB and saw that it’s played at Sundance and just a few days ago at the Tribeca film festival. And I looked at the Village Voice review from the later showing.

    Reading between the lines it sounds like Sasha did a good acting job, but that Soderberg’s film is by design pretty cold.

    Tracy Lords is really the only other porn star that’s made it beyond tiny bit parts in mainstream films that I’m aware of. She did it by playing the awakened feminist who was previously an underaged and unaware porn victim, and thoroughly turning on the “horrors” of porn for women in the industry. (She was so interested in getting into the business that she lied about her age when she was 17 and even very late 16, looked at least 18, and got herself a well done fake drivers license. Ah the female victim.)

    Tracy Lords also can’t really act (and has aged badly — REALLY hard looking). She’s never been the star in any good movie.

    Sasha Grey may have potential. Yeah I’ve seen some of her clips and read a couple of interviews. I’m more interested in her as a porn personality than anything else.

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  130. on May 1, 2009 at 4:14 pm Mr.M

    Aw, fem-x giving advice on how to score 10s and have long-lasting marriages.

    how fitting.

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  131. on May 1, 2009 at 4:14 pm Jan van Goyen

    This entry has a female ghost writer or lots of female input. So it seems to me. A budding romance novelist at work?

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  132. on May 1, 2009 at 4:14 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “BTW, how important to you is it that the woman you settle down with not be a supposedly reformed slut — and what’s your idea of a slut for these purposes?”

    You do what you damned please. If you can manage to bone 100 girls and marry a 10 that hasn’t boned even 1, then go do it if that’s what you want.

    Just know that the reason sluts exist is because of 1) the alphas and 2) the betas that want to be alphas.

    You can’t have it all ways at once. It’s a logical impossibility. If you honestly try and get more effective game, the fact is, it’s going to be more effective game which means women will be more effectively gamed, which means there will be fewer women who are not sluts. Apparently now that sluts abound, men have to pick a more difficult target and compete for hot non slut women.

    Look, no matter what happens, you guys are going to compete against each other and some are going to lose out. Maleness is to be frustrated. I’m the one who is trying to help you out of this.

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  133. on May 1, 2009 at 4:18 pm lurker

    feministrix-whore, FTW:

    “But it was cruel. It still “works” and it is still cruel.”

    —-lol. There is no such thing as patriarchy, just societies that succeed. Women don’t create shit, hence why men start the socoieties and run them until women like you start making up wild conspiracy theories to justify your inferiority and then ruin shit by feminizing it. See: any fallen civilization.

    “The only thing needed to validate alphadom is that you get the sex you want when you want it.”
    —shouldn’t be too hard with you. What does it take, offering to carry some heavy bags up the stairs, or fixing a TV?

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  134. on May 1, 2009 at 4:19 pm Fabian

    “Patriarchy existed in most cultures of the world for most of history because it WORKED.”

    But it was cruel. It still “works” and it is still cruel. The rate of reproduction in Afghanistan is better than Scandanavia.

    You know, I’m laughing out loud right now at your response, because it validates everything Roissy has ever said about women. Why did I even BOTHER talking logically to you, feministx? You completely ignore my devastating argument and focus on…women’s hurt feelings. I promise I won’t spent another second trying to talk intelligently to you. Go about tending your feelings, sweetheart.

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  135. on May 1, 2009 at 4:20 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “—shouldn’t be too hard with you. What does it take, offering to carry some heavy bags up the stairs, or fixing a TV?”

    We’d been friends for many years though. I have very few male friends. Almost none now, actually. But if I had some, then I would probably have sex with them once in a while if they looked lonely or down.

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  136. on May 1, 2009 at 4:21 pm Mr.M

    But if I had some, then I would probably have sex with them once in a while if they looked lonely or down.

    You disgust me.

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  137. on May 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm lurker

    “You do what you damned please.”
    —Really? Thanks hooker.

    “If you can manage to bone 100 girls and marry a 10 that hasn’t boned even 1, then go do it if that’s what you want.”
    —projecting are we?

    “Just know that the reason sluts exist is because of 1) the alphas and 2) the betas that want to be alphas. ”
    —lol wrong woman. Every woman is a whore, she just needs an excuse. Sluts exist because no woman is a good woman—witness you, a slut, but yet you hate men.

    “You can’t have it all ways at once. It’s a logical impossibility. If you honestly try and get more effective game, the fact is, it’s going to be more effective game which means women will be more effectively gamed, which means there will be fewer women who are not sluts.”
    —Translation: please stop getting good at game, we lesbians can’t beat men when they act like men. We need betas around to bitch down and convince the girls to go bi.

    “Apparently now that sluts abound, men have to pick a more difficult target and compete for hot non slut women. ”
    –You mean we compete to find the least slutty chick? As in, civilization from the beginning, just now more honest?

    “Look, no matter what happens, you guys are going to compete against each other and some are going to lose out. ”
    —no, lesbians will.

    “Maleness is to be frustrated.”
    —sounds like her battle cry. Frustrate those penii!

    “I’m the one who is trying to help you out of this.”
    –anytime a man-hating lesbian who’s an avowed whore offers you help, gentlement, run, run hard, and in the opposite direction.

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  138. on May 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “You completely ignore my devastating argument and focus on…women’s hurt feeling”

    Hurt feelings are everything that matters.

    It’s like apartheid. Doesn’t matter if it was more effective governance. It’s not right to exclude people from self governance.

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  139. on May 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm Virgin@40

    WHAT THE FUCK SCHOOLBOY!!!!!

    “Men weren’t really the enemy — they were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no bears to kill.”- Betty Friedan (surprisingly a feminist.)”

    DON’T THE FUCK FALL FOR IT!!!
    I’ll translate that to you: MEN ARE NOT THE ENEMY, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TO KILL THEIR MANLINESS AND TRANSFORM THEM ALL INTO BETAS AND YOU’LL SEE THAT THEY ARE NICE AND WILL DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

    From 1965 that’s what they’ve done: In America and all around the fucking Nations of European Civilisation (mainly non Communist ones). That is what made men fall into the hellhole they are in.

    Basically, IT MEANS THAT ALL MEN CAN BECOME GAY FRIENDS TO GALLS so there is no surprise it was written by a feminist. Indeed, when she says that men are “fellow victims”, what she implies is that, if men are “liberated” from “opression” they will be free of masculinity and solar manhood and cannow became sissies and gays.

    FUCK, WHAT’S THE MATTER WITH YOU, HOW CAN YOU FALL FOR ONE LIKE THAT!

    Schoolboy, you have to become OLD SCHOOL!!!

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  140. on May 1, 2009 at 4:25 pm lurker

    ” I have very few male friends. Almost none now, actually. ”
    —really? guys don’t like being friends with man-haters? do tell.

    “But if I had some, then I would probably have sex with them once in a while if they looked lonely or down.”
    —and yet hate it, lol. but only in exchange for things. what a ‘tute.

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  141. on May 1, 2009 at 4:25 pm Tupac Chopra

    Hurt feelings are everything that matters.

    David Alexander, is that you??

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  142. on May 1, 2009 at 4:28 pm dougjnn

    feminstx–

    The only thing needed to validate alphadom is that you get the sex you want when you want it. If you want public sex, then you should have it. If you don’t care either way, then getting it does nothing to cement alphadom.

    There’s a difference between what are the minimum or general standards as to whether someone is alpha or not, and what are some of the best ways to cement your alphadom in your girl’s (or girl of the moment’s) mind.

    But yes making sure that she knows you can do this is important.

    There are other ways of demo-ing male sexual dominance and other playful dominance and they’re good too.

    Or maybe I’m just back constructing why I like doing it, especially with a hot girl when our thing is new.

    xsplat —

    Oh yeah, “making” (by teasing, goading, daring, making her realize how delighted and proud of her you’ll be) your girl be an exhibitionist is also way hot. Works super well.

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  143. on May 1, 2009 at 4:30 pm lurker

    “Hurt feelings are everything that matters. ”
    —lmao rofl. Tell me that when you’re starving in the jungle, babe. Your hurt feelings are nothing that matters.

    “It’s like apartheid.”
    —lol. only a feminist would compare women’s failings to apartheid. I’ll bet the holocaust is next.

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  144. on May 1, 2009 at 4:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    caveat there where only 8 of my friends around. Hey I was still horny and at that time.

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  145. on May 1, 2009 at 4:37 pm tunacanman

    way to send us into the weekend R!

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  146. on May 1, 2009 at 4:37 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “But yes making sure that she knows you can do this is important.

    There are other ways of demo-ing male sexual dominance and other playful dominance and they’re good too.”

    Shrugs. I guess I don’t care because I can have sex in public bathrooms whenever. I also really just don’t like the outdoors. Bugs. Dirt. Ick.

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  147. on May 1, 2009 at 4:42 pm Obsidian

    Maurice,
    Just wanted to give you mad props on your comments above; I’ve read The Art of Seduction, several times, cover to cover, and often refer to it from time to time. Must-reading not just for any PUA, but for any *Man*.

    I too reject the idea that Game=asshole, or some such. Same for the idea that caring about Women on a basic human level, *not supplicating oneself or being a doormat*, is somehow tantamount to being a Beta Male, etc. Sure, I could just get my shit off in or on a female, but I’ve found it much more pleasureable to make her cum buckets first. And besides, it ensures repeat business-Women know that a good piece of wood is hard to find.

    Anyway, I’m with ya, man. Good lookin out!

    O

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  148. on May 1, 2009 at 4:48 pm Virgin@40

    “I know there’s a range of styles of commentary here, but please, all, let’s not be nasty. Civil discussions are the most interesting and fruitful.”

    No Maurice, you’re not right. I would usually agree with you but FemX is just a nasty person. More than that, she has expoused how she feels: MAN ARE THE ENEMY.

    She is a lesbian who, more than everything negative attached to lesbians, is a mean person as well.
    She has as a goal to have children and marry a man to breed her children while she hates man. However she wants to grow and educate children.

    She is also here to put our beautifull girls out of the path of virtue. By *STEALING* heterosexual “hot” (read, the best available she can get) girls from men.

    She is also a feminist. The nasty type.

    To conclude: SHE IS THE ENEMY. SHE IS CIVILISATIONAL DECAY (AND SHE’S NOT EVEN EUROPEAN). SHE IS EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH OUR SOCIETIES.

    So, what do I say? I say that we should group together and penetrate her vagina one by one, first the smaller dicks and then the bigger ones. We should fuck her hard, in a nasty public bathroom and let her lay on the floor. After that, we should go for her ass. This time, two by two.
    We then should look to her face and scream: FUCK YOURSELF YOU DISGUSTING BLOOD SUCKING INDIAN SCUM! GO BACK TO YOU’RE MAMMY’S WOMB YOU UGLY DALIT! YEAH, IN INDIA THEY WOULD TREAT YOU AS YOU DISEARVE.

    She’s only here to “learn” how to *steal* “hot” HETEROSSEXUAL girls from men and how to get a the best man to raise her children. Man being something she hates and children something she’s not able to handle. The children will suffer, not her. And if she does, WHO GIVES A FUCK??

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  149. on May 1, 2009 at 4:49 pm Fabian

    Hurt feelings are everything that matters.

    That, right there, is the most glaring difference between men and women. No, honey, feelings aren’t everything. Know why? (here I go, trying to talk logic to a woman again. Will I ever learn?) Because feelings are frequently the result of faulty thinking on the part of the people having the feelings. Yes, this sounds scary, but people’s thoughts can be….WRONG. And feelings that arise from incorrect assumptions and thoughts have less merit than feelings that arise from accurate thinking. Making everyone comfy-cozy 100% of the time was not, is not, and never will be an achievable goal of any society.

    Only narcissistic spoiled brats put feelings ahead of everything, and I’m sure that’s what you are.

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  150. on May 1, 2009 at 4:56 pm Mr.M

    Fabian – i’m fairly certain that most feminists are spoiled brats. its been my belief from quite some time that there is a direct correlation between a woman’s education/status/etc and how much of a bitch that woman is.

    thus, miss ivy league feminist over here is quite the case in point.

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  151. on May 1, 2009 at 4:57 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “So, what do I say? I say that we should group together and penetrate her vagina one by one, first the smaller dicks and then the bigger ones. We should fuck her hard, in a nasty public bathroom and let her lay on the floor. After that, we should go for her ass. This time, two by two.
    We then should look to her face and scream: FUCK YOURSELF YOU DISGUSTING BLOOD SUCKING INDIAN SCUM! GO BACK TO YOU’RE MAMMY’S WOMB YOU UGLY DALIT! YEAH, IN INDIA THEY WOULD TREAT YOU AS YOU DISEARVE.”

    Exhibit A: Why I hate men.

    Anyways, you’ve really got something there Virg@40. It’s horrendously mutilated, tortured and repressed, but that right there is your inner alpha. Now, if you just brush it up a bit- give it a makeover and a presentable face and some steel tempered restraint, you’ll have a real chance with that 10 you don’t deserve right now.

    Why save the alphatude for me? I’m not what you want.

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  152. on May 1, 2009 at 5:05 pm Paulie

    People have mentioned Lawrence Auster in some recent threads here.

    Here’s an interesting take on the man: http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com/2009/04/lawrence-auster-and-killer-immigrants.html

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  153. on May 1, 2009 at 5:10 pm dougjnn

    feministx–

    Just know that the reason sluts exist is because of 1) the alphas and 2) the betas that want to be alphas.

    This is neither intelligent nor thoughtful. Unlike some of what you write.

    Women have always been attracted to alpha men. However most women have also been very worried about being hurt by them (because good sex at least with an otherwise half way decent man makes them fall in love) and have wanted them to demonstrate commitment and /or love first. They have also been very worried about developing a bad reputation, that other women especially are likely to spread about them, and that commitment minded men are likely to turn away from.

    Previous cultures have strongly encouraged these female fears and values, and as well strongly suggested to marriage minded men that they avoid loose women.

    Our current mainstream culture does the opposite or at the very least defines way downward what constitutes being “loose” (a slut), or certainly tries to. Many feminists want to completely do away with the concept of slut, or incongruously attach to it the same sort of meaning that stud has for men.

    Further the anonymity or anyway ease of changing social circles in our big cities, and our tendency to move around a lot these days (at least from college and then often grad school but often or certainly possibly more) lets a slut leave behind her rep, or think she can.

    You can’t have it all ways at once. It’s a logical impossibility. If you honestly try and get more effective game, the fact is, it’s going to be more effective game which means women will be more effectively gamed, which means there will be fewer women who are not sluts. Apparently now that sluts abound, men have to pick a more difficult target and compete for hot non slut women.

    An individual alpha can have it both ways and often or usually does.

    What you’re talking about is another “tragedy of the commons” situation.

    However that’s not clear either. If half of all men had real game rather than about 15% having it naturally or with a boost from some deliberate game learning, would a lot more women become sluts? Or would more women be able to land what they need to get themselves really excited and happy in a committed relationship and so settle down sooner with less elusive alpha banging before they realized they’d have to settle for some kind of beta, and hence there’d be fewer sluts?

    I suspect either the later or no change in slutdom. But I do think a lot of women would be happier in their committed relationships either way.

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  154. on May 1, 2009 at 5:16 pm kim

    When the comment section of Roissy’s posts turn into women-hating sessions it’s really disappointing. A lot of people are criticizing feminist-x for hating men, but it looks like a lot of people on here hate women. It’s discussions like the ones going on here that make me wish that a larger men’s studies section of academia would be created. Society’s standards hurt everyone, not just women, and I think that society’s oppression against men should be looked at more seriously.

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  155. on May 1, 2009 at 5:19 pm Racer X

    feministx,

    You seem like you are a bit of feisty little bitch. Racer X would love to fuck you. I have found that feisty little bitches are often the best in bed: wild, even savage, lots of pent up angry energy, orgasmic, will fuck all night long and love to be tamed by a man who knows how to fuck without remorse.

    There is nothing like a good, vigorous all night fuck session to quiet a fiesty little bitch down. Until she acts up and needs to be tamed again. Then again, I have turned more than my share of independent, assertive, sexually liberated females into creatures who end up dreaming about the white picket fence and babies and LTR. A powerful man who knows how to use his cock is what most if not all women who want men want. And even a lesbo likes a good fuck every now and then.

    Most guys today have become too pussiefied to do that though. I know it, and you know it.

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  156. on May 1, 2009 at 5:28 pm Fabian

    Kim-

    It’s discussions like the ones going on here that make me wish that a larger men’s studies section of academia would be created.

    NO, NO, NO. A “men’s studies” department is as half-assed and stupid as a “women’s studies” department. We only need to study history in one contiguous whole. Studying history based on gender differences is as likely to make us get along better as fucking will make us all virgins again.

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  157. on May 1, 2009 at 5:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””on May 1, 2009 at 5:16 pm kim
    Society’s standards hurt everyone, not just women, and I think that society’s oppression against men should be looked at more seriously.””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Sometimes opression is good. It allows you to live in a lively time. Else whatcha gonna do work a job you hate to buy shit that you don’t need.

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  158. on May 1, 2009 at 5:35 pm lady la

    xsplat – I was a little surprised, too. Is this really so exceptional?? My SO calls it doggin and we do it a few times a year, not in toilets tho, gross lol. Rather the car, woods, beach, playground, or a construction site in a rich neighborhood after dark. Haven’t joined the mile high club yet, but of course heavy petting on flights is de rigeur. On the to-do list: LIBRARY!! Just thinking about it makes my nipples hard

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  159. on May 1, 2009 at 5:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Now you can work a job you hate or love to be free. It is actually quite an interesting time to be alive. I am just kind of sad there is not a world war ii. All I get is iraq. I do get to have armagedden within my lifetime. So yea cool.

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  160. on May 1, 2009 at 5:41 pm kim

    I disagree. I think a lot of men are psychologically hurt by a lot of the pressures placed on them. Some people would possibly cite this blog as an example, I’m not sure if I would or not because it seems like some people interpret things from this blog differently than others. While some people seem to take this as a “how to” guide, it seems like some people can’t help but turn everything Roissy says into anti-woman. While I don’t know him personally, I would say that Roissy doesn’t hate women. However, there are people on here who definitely do…and them engaging in relationships with women is not only damaging to themselves, but also to the woman involved. I’m sure condoning men’s studies would be very “beta” but it seems like a lot of white males on here feel like it’s unfair that they don’t get special treatment because they’re always considered the majority…this would hopefully help that situation.

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  161. on May 1, 2009 at 5:43 pm dougjnn

    lady la

    Good for you girlfriend.

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  162. on May 1, 2009 at 5:45 pm kim

    @ Gunslingergregi

    I meant more along the lines of the high standards that men feel they have to live up to. I saw someone mention it the other day in a different post, but Norah Vincent’s book “Self Made Man” really opened my eyes to how men are treated. I know that it is written from a woman’s perspective which some would say is problematic, but she does a good job of cutting out the bullshit and just writing what happens. It’s a really interesting book…I’d recommend it to everyone.

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  163. on May 1, 2009 at 5:49 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Most guys today have become too pussiefied to do that though.”

    As with everything, they were born that way.

    “Because feelings are frequently the result of faulty thinking on the part of the people having the feelings. Yes, this sounds scary, but people’s thoughts can be….WRONG. And feelings that arise from incorrect assumptions and thoughts have less merit than feelings that arise from accurate thinking.”

    And this is exactly why Roissy style methods for obtaining women are unethical and need to be stopped.

    ” If half of all men had real game rather than about 15% having it naturally or with a boost from some deliberate game learning, would a lot more women become sluts? ”

    The comments on this blog are proof that satisfying game cannot be learned.

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  164. on May 1, 2009 at 5:50 pm Rum

    Kim

    You may or may not be a nice person, but so far you sound like feminist robot. The odds that that you will contribute anything original or un-expected I would place at zero.

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  165. on May 1, 2009 at 5:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well of course they are hurt kim. Probably people being hurt since the beginning of time.

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  166. on May 1, 2009 at 5:53 pm Fabian

    “Because feelings are frequently the result of faulty thinking on the part of the people having the feelings. Yes, this sounds scary, but people’s thoughts can be….WRONG. And feelings that arise from incorrect assumptions and thoughts have less merit than feelings that arise from accurate thinking.”

    And this is exactly why Roissy style methods for obtaining women are unethical and need to be stopped.

    My God! Feministx, trying to have a rational discussion with you is like playing “Whack-A-Mole”. No sooner do I think I’ve made a good point, than you completely take it out of context and twist it around. You’re a lost cause.

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  167. on May 1, 2009 at 5:55 pm Rum

    Fem

    You needed only about a half dozen exchanges/comments in order to get to the point of wanting to supress the other side. That comes, I suppose, from a bone-deep assumption that the powers that be in fact work for you. Like, any man today would dream of “stopping” something that women did that upset him… He could be arrested for even thinking it.

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  168. on May 1, 2009 at 5:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””””””kim
    @ Gunslingergregi

    I meant more along the lines of the high standards that men feel they have to live up to. I saw someone mention it the other day in a different post, but Norah Vincent’s book “Self Made Man” really opened my eyes to how men are treated. I know that it is written from a woman’s perspective which some would say is problematic, but she does a good job of cutting out the bullshit and just writing what happens. It’s a really interesting book…I’d recommend it to everyone.””””””””””””””””””””””

    Isn’t that the beauty of being a man though. You can be put in a position where no one would think you could make it. You can be completely fucked up. Yet you can make it by applying yourself you can make it through hell multiple times, You can make it through heaven multiple times. In the end you come out on top. I am falling in love with myself.

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  169. on May 1, 2009 at 5:58 pm Virgin@40

    Well Tarl, thanks. But from Roosh’s place, I didn’t get nothing for real. As he says:

    “Nothing. Nothing happened. Girls didn’t want to fuck me more, they didn’t want to fuck me less.”

    I want to hold girls to me by the way I fuck.
    I want more.
    In fact, I want girls to leave what they thought they would like since 13 y.o. just to wellcome my hard, tough, long penis into their cozy vagina.

    As Roosh himself said:

    “For guys all that matters is the end, but for girls it’s the process. As long as she gets into it and can say, “I’m getting fucked good and this feels great,” then you’ve done your job. Sure if you make her orgasm on demand you’ll definitely hear from her again, but it’s not necessary and just too complicated to worry about.”

    “if you make her orgasm on demand you’ll definitely hear from her again”

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  170. on May 1, 2009 at 5:59 pm kim

    @ Rum

    I apologize if what I said came off as condescending. It wasn’t supposed to, I’m actually being genuine. It just seems to me that men are suffering as much as women, but in different ways, and I think that if more research was put into it that it would help everyone out. I know that a good majority of men would never want to admit to supporting mens studies, but even without their support they would probably still benefit from it. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything.

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  171. on May 1, 2009 at 6:00 pm David Alexander

    Otherwise, if you don’t want to be a beta then don’t act like one.

    I’m quite happy being in the beta, and I’ve viewed acting like an alpha as something that’s rather revolting. Not because being an alpha is inherently wrong, but that it’s simply something that’s dependent on the person’s character. Plus, being a beta doesn’t auotmatically mean that you’re some beat down male. Beta males may not be dripping with testosterone and be able to command legions of men, but we have the ability to say no too.

    If you want a hot girl, find your inner alpha. This blog is practically a script for this. What is the problem?

    I don’t see anything wrong with that. I’m willing to accept that my denial of game will not lead to hot women. If a man wants to learn game, I see not reason not to do so. The problem is that some have argued that this exacerbates the eventual long-term problem of low marriage rates and sex.

    But if I had some, then I would probably have sex with them once in a while if they looked lonely or down.

    You disgust me.

    That’s interesting response. In theory, getting sex seems good, but the problem it’s with somebody who isn’t interested in males.

    and yet hate it, lol. but only in exchange for things. what a ‘tute.

    Given the complaints of men about their lack of sex in exchange for their financial support, in theory, she’s actually being very generous.

    How many guys would have sex with gay men in exchange for stuff?

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  172. on May 1, 2009 at 6:02 pm JAM

    > The comments on this blog are proof that satisfying game cannot be learned.

    *sigh* There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than a dreamt of in your philosophy.

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  173. on May 1, 2009 at 6:03 pm Virgin@40

    ““Feminism is supposed to be beneficial for them too by providing them with greater freedom in exchange for less power.”

    And the popularity of feminism among men can be explained by the comparable popularity of homelessness, which offers a similar bargain.

    Not that feminism offers normal women anything they actually want or need, either, of course.”

    Cheers Jack!

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  174. on May 1, 2009 at 6:08 pm Welmer

    Great post. Every time it seems like Roissy’s getting tired or bored with the blog, he pulls out another gem.

    However, I’d have to disagree on a couple points. Although hot women are definitely an enhancement for pleasure, it takes more than that. One of the hottest girls I laid up with was a real bore in bed. She’d climax within a minute or two, and then just lie there passively while I finished (female version of premature ejaculation, perhaps?). I screwed her all the time because she was so hot, but when I think of her I don’t remember the sex so much as the extremely attractive nude body, which was more than enough to get me going.

    Anyone who has come across a woman who really has skill will know what I’m getting at, but sadly this is extremely rare with Western women (including Westernized Asians). Perhaps some black women do, but I have little experience in this regard.

    I am all for putting some of the responsibility for pleasure squarely in the hands of the woman. We all know this matters where the BJ is concerned, but it is equally important for straight sex.

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  175. on May 1, 2009 at 6:08 pm kim

    @ Gunslingergregi

    Well, I guess everyone’s idea of coming out on top is different. What is your idea of it?

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  176. on May 1, 2009 at 6:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””Kim,
    I would say that Roissy doesn’t hate women. However, there are people on here who definitely do…and them engaging in relationships with women is not only damaging to themselves, but also to the woman involved. “””””””””””””

    I think you may be misconstueing hate of one woman or type mixed with maybe a little lust to tame her and leave. With love of woman.

    When I was laying on my womans legs on the beach under the shade of a palm tree relaxing and my woman as the shade was moving away as the sun moved in the sky. My woman gracefully moved over so I would have shade. It was the straw that broke the camels back after all the other things she had done. I was in love and knew I wanted to spend my life with her. Simple beautiful to me.

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  177. on May 1, 2009 at 6:10 pm Welmer

    kim

    When the comment section of Roissy’s posts turn into women-hating sessions it’s really disappointing. A lot of people are criticizing feminist-x for hating men, but it looks like a lot of people on here hate women. It’s discussions like the ones going on here that make me wish that a larger men’s studies section of academia would be created. Society’s standards hurt everyone, not just women, and I think that society’s oppression against men should be looked at more seriously.

    Amen, Kim.

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  178. on May 1, 2009 at 6:15 pm dougjnn

    feministx–

    And this is exactly why Roissy style methods for obtaining women are unethical and need to be stopped.

    There’re not remotely unethical. That’s just absurd.

    But regardless, how are you and your feminist pals going to pull that off?

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  179. on May 1, 2009 at 6:16 pm Chuck

    feministx:

    i’m not intending to be out of line with this, but i think you want to be sperminated by roissy.

    anyway, the hottest sex i’ve ever had was when some of the clothes were still on…in fact, one of the best was in a situation where i couldn’t take the drawers off all the way and had to let my schlong out with them still on…

    it’s not the fact that there are clothes involved but the fact that there is usually an exciting situation that warrants leaving some of the clothes on.

    although, i’m not a big fan of doing it outside in the elements. also, contrary to popular belief, having sex in a swimming pool is whack.

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  180. on May 1, 2009 at 6:16 pm dougjnn

    feministx

    The comments on this blog are proof that satisfying game cannot be learned.

    First this directly contracts what I quoted in my immediately prior comment. If Roissy style game doesn’t work why must it be stopped?

    Comments by some of the posters here suggest that some (many) of them haven’t learned much effective game yet. Some of them likely never will.

    Others testify that learning game has made an enormous difference in their ability to pull hot women. Among those aside from Roissy himself are Tupac, PA, Thursday, Bateman (hasn’t posted lately) and others. I’m in a committed live together relationship but I’ve learned things that are useful to me and other things that would be if I was back in the pickup marketplace. As well I can see that a lot (all really) of the stuff that I taught myself by observing others and experimenting / thinking consciously about what was working and what wasn’t, was game by different labels.

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  181. on May 1, 2009 at 6:18 pm kim

    Oh, by no means do I mean everyone on here is that way. I could in no way generalize to that extent, but I feel like there are definitely some people who do. I mean, I guess you could be right that maybe I could be misconstruing what people are saying…but a lot of comments include “all women” and then some sort of rude remark, so you can’t really blame me for misconstruing that 🙂

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  182. on May 1, 2009 at 6:19 pm schoolboy

    Virgin@40:

    Dude calm down. The only reason i put that qoute was because it had “men weren’t the enemy”….and she was a feminist. Thats feminstx chick would relate more to it since i noted she was a feminist.

    psychology dude.

    Also everyone check these demographics of roissy’s page their ill :

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/roissy.wordpress.com#

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  183. on May 1, 2009 at 6:20 pm Rum

    Kim

    Your first guess as to what might be bothering men was that it seems to us “unfair that we are not getting special treatment” like, supposedly, we always got before. Because we are in some unspecified way the “majority”.
    Your women studies instructor no doubt would pat your head appreciatively for writing/thinking that but you are wasting your time. On the implausible assumption you really care what is in mens thoughts – try reading more of this blog. Warts and all, it is often pretty accurate, imho.
    Mens Studies has virtually no chance of being worthwhile in an academic setting. Besides, what men need most of all nowadays is to find ways to seperate themselves financially from a parasitic matriarchy, not go into the parlor to learn how to place by their frules.

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  184. on May 1, 2009 at 6:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol chuck water is not lubricating at all

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  185. on May 1, 2009 at 6:21 pm Obsidian

    Doug,
    Excellent analysis and response to FemX. Bravo.

    O

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  186. on May 1, 2009 at 6:22 pm Virgin@40

    Thanks O. Women’s Erotica?? I’ve never heard of. (And my parents kind of hiden Kamasutra when I was about 11 XD)
    Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll at least google it.

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  187. on May 1, 2009 at 6:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    Men love woman they can bring beauty into our lives when they stop being able to do that and basically become fake men. That is when there will be problems. They may get treated like men.

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  188. on May 1, 2009 at 6:25 pm Comment_Obvious

    First, the obvious comment on this post.

    All women don’t like being considered sluts. Even the sluts hate it and would rather men be discreet.

    When a woman consents to public sex, that is the most extreme commitment she can make to a man in the ‘primal’ part of her brain.

    Marriage is more of a social commitment, but in her primal instincts, public sex is the most powerful commitment she can make. She is lowering her value to ALL other males.

    This is pretty obvious, but I didn’t realize it till I read this post, so who knows.

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  189. on May 1, 2009 at 6:26 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “First this directly contracts what I quoted in my immediately prior comment. If Roissy style game doesn’t work why must it be stopped?”

    I think that for those who have decent game, this could probably help hone it to perfection, but I don’t know that it would equal the authentic thing. As in, it could help a guy get laid but it takes a lot more to help a guy effectively manage an LTR, which is what satisfying game gets you.

    “Not because being an alpha is inherently wrong, but that it’s simply something that’s dependent on the person’s character.”

    I know what you mean. I myself, as a non alpha, get tired out by mimicing alpha behavior. It is very effective, but ultimately never as satisfying as finding someone that likes you the way you really are.

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  190. on May 1, 2009 at 6:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””on May 1, 2009 at 6:08 pm kim
    @ Gunslingergregi

    Well, I guess everyone’s idea of coming out on top is different. What is your idea of it?”””””””””””””

    Becoming a free man.

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  191. on May 1, 2009 at 6:30 pm Welmer

    kim

    @ Rum

    I apologize if what I said came off as condescending. It wasn’t supposed to, I’m actually being genuine. It just seems to me that men are suffering as much as women, but in different ways, and I think that if more research was put into it that it would help everyone out. I know that a good majority of men would never want to admit to supporting mens studies, but even without their support they would probably still benefit from it. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything.

    Perhaps supporting “men’s studies” might turn off some guys, but allowing men to have their own space in academia where they could be themselves and not have to worry about getting trashed would be a big step in the right direction and acceptable, I think, to the vast majority of men.

    Women definitely have their own space, and they can get away with trashing men in general in mixed-gender environments as well. This is why school is seen as an oppressive place for men, and why, I think, women are currently the clear majority of students in higher education.

    I wrote about this yesterday:

    Why Boys and Young Men are Lagging in School

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  192. on May 1, 2009 at 6:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””JAM
    *sigh* There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than a dreamt of in your philosophy.””””””””””””””

    Truth

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  193. on May 1, 2009 at 6:38 pm kim

    Rum,

    If you go back to one of the numerous posts that somehow was turned into a racial argument, you’ll see a string of posts about how it is impossible to make white male organizations. And you’re right, the way that white males are classified as the majority is unspecified…they’re usually the target of every minority group as the cause for their hardship. That’s exactly what my point is…that people’s assumptions and accusations against men as a whole are a lot of times unjustified.

    And actually, most of my women’s studies teachers, at least the ones I took when I had previously thought of pursuing it as a minor, wouldn’t have given a shit about men’s studies. It’s a large reason why I dropped the idea of minoring in the subject because I don’t like how it’s taught and where it’s going. I’ve read quite a bit of this blog and I read it because I find it fascinating.

    Not sure what you mean by frules. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding between the sexes and I think that men’s studies would alleviate that…call me optimistic, I guess.

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  194. on May 1, 2009 at 6:39 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “i’m not intending to be out of line with this, but i think you want to be sperminated by roissy.”

    Hand to God, Roissy isn’t alpha enough for me.

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  195. on May 1, 2009 at 6:40 pm maurice

    @Dougjnn :

    I think Marilyn Chambers also did a few mainstream films – she died recently and it was in her obit. Also how can we forget Jenna Jameson in “Zombie Strippers”. Campy and fun. I have actually never seen Sasha Grey in porn but I have read she does extreme stuff (BDSM? I have no idea). I should check it out. Also, he admireres say she is unusually smart and self-aware for a porn star. All in all a fascinating figure (heh).

    @Obsidian:

    thanks man – appreciate the shout-out.

    @Virgin@40:

    That was very disturbing. See, I try to be a moderating presence, and I end up inspiring more abuse.

    @FemX: You are smart but very loopy and inconsistent. The more you write the less sense you make.

    @Kim: Interesting idea. Please elaborate. What specifically would men’s studies focus on? What problems, issues, solutions, etc.? Also agree that there seems to too much evident woman-hate on a forum where there should be none.

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  196. on May 1, 2009 at 6:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Woman would still be woman if there where not laws to make them unequal. If they had to actually be woman. All the debates and talks are always within that frame. That is the crux of the problem.

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  197. on May 1, 2009 at 6:46 pm kim

    Welmer,

    I totally agree.

    Mens studies, like women’s studies, is integrated into every other academic discipline so by opening up the field of men’s studies it would allow an expansion in every other discipline too. Personally, I’m an art history major and it would be really exciting to see all of the new information unearthed by a larger men’s studies discipline.

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  198. on May 1, 2009 at 6:51 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “@FemX: You are smart but very loopy and inconsistent. The more you write the less sense you make.”

    It seems that way. But I am actually more elusive than inconsistent.

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  199. on May 1, 2009 at 6:53 pm W.I.

    feministx

    I know what you mean. I myself, as a non alpha, get tired out by mimicing alpha behavior. It is very effective, but ultimately never as satisfying as finding someone that likes you the way you really are.

    Someone that likes you the way you really are. You’re missing something here. It’d be all mashed potatoes and gravy if women were ‘one particular way’.

    As it’s been mentioned here many times before, women change with time. In their early 20’s they don’t know that they don’t know what they want. Some proclaim to the heavens that all they want “is a good man” with [insert grocery list of beta qualities here]. Even if they do wish for those qualities at some level, it changes by the time graduate from college (or before). They look back and make statements like “I can’t believe I dated that jerk”.

    Guys don’t change all that much. If they do, it’s predictable. While female change can be predictable to those savvy to their psychology, on the surface it can seem very haphazard.

    In other words, who you are as a woman changes alot with time. It pretty selfish to expect those around you to change along with you. Believe it or not, alot of people accept you as you are…but then when you change, they don’t accept who you’ve become. Because change is gradual (and almost imperceptible to the observer experiencing the change), it seems like most everything stayed the same. As a matter of fact, it’s the world around you that changed.

    The unfortunate newsflash for you is that the world doesn’t revolve around you. If you look in the mirror and get real introspective (considering your personality type it shouldn’t be too hard for you), you’ll see.

    While it’s possible to find someone that sees through you to your core self that changes gradually and accepts that change, it’s rare.

    Good luck

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  200. on May 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm JAM

    > It seems that way. But I am actually more elusive than inconsistent.

    In Soviet Russia, logic eludes *you*.

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  201. on May 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm dougjnn

    kim–

    If you go back to one of the numerous posts that somehow was turned into a racial argument, you’ll see a string of posts about how it is impossible to make white male organizations. And you’re right, the way that white males are classified as the majority is unspecified…they’re usually the target of every minority group as the cause for their hardship. That’s exactly what my point is…that people’s assumptions and accusations against men as a whole are a lot of times unjustified.

    And actually, most of my women’s studies teachers, at least the ones I took when I had previously thought of pursuing it as a minor, wouldn’t have given a shit about men’s studies. It’s a large reason why I dropped the idea of minoring in the subject because I don’t like how it’s taught and where it’s going. I’ve read quite a bit of this blog and I read it because I find it fascinating.

    I don’t usually quote nearly the entirety of a comment unless it’s very short. But here it seemed right to.

    You’re alright girl. You’re really alright. Rum’s wrong about you.

    You are a bit thin skinned about conflict. But that’s alright too. You’re a girl. An alright girl.

    I sensed it before but now I’m sure.

    It’s great having you around. Don’t go running off, ‘kay?

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  202. on May 1, 2009 at 6:55 pm kim

    Maurice,

    I guess men’s studies could really go in a bunch of directions. There is the obvious psychological one. How men interact with each other, with women, in work environments, family environments, as fathers, as sons, etc. How men are raised differently than women and the implications/issues resulting from that. There could be a political side examining laws created and men’s position in a legal system, war, etc. etc. It’s so underdeveloped right now that it could really go anywhere…I was trying to kind of base it off of what women’s studies is (or is supposed to be), but it would undoubtedly end up being so different that it’d be hard to predict.

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  203. on May 1, 2009 at 6:56 pm David Alexander

    Most guys today have become too pussiefied to do that though. I know it, and you know it.

    This leads one to ask in the era before open sexual discussion, were men having spirited sex with oral and anal sex or was it really just beta males with simple and basic penis in vagina sex?

    There is nothing like a good, vigorous all night fuck session to quiet a fiesty little bitch down.

    I’d love to see somebody explain this phenomenon…

    Then again, I have turned more than my share of independent, assertive, sexually liberated females into creatures who end up dreaming about the white picket fence and babies and LTR.

    Sounds similar to some of the mind control stories that I’ve read which turn career oriented women or tomboyish girls into quasi-Stepford wives with varying physical enhancements.

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  204. on May 1, 2009 at 6:58 pm Obsidian

    Virgin40,
    Yea, no prob man. For all he workouts I seem to get for discussing Race, I actually do try to discuss Women, Life and Love (Sex) too, and have a bit of experience to share on the matter.

    Being a Fundamentally Grounded Fucker is as much a matter of mindset and skill as natural endoment or gifts, in fact I’d say moreso in the former. Lots of naturals succeed, but really know why. This is why the best players are “un-naturals”, very regular guys who made it their business to learn Game etc. And it aint as hard as you think.

    First, please take my advice, forget about nailing a Dime Piece. If you hang around long enough and take enough shots, you’ll eventually land a few, but trust me when I tell you, they’re overrated. Great to look at, nice for bragging rights, but rarely the kinds of great lays you hear about from me, or Roissy, whomever. Instead, where you are, study. Learn about basic human anatomy, the differences between the male and female body, and give some thought on how these differences form the interplay of sexual union.

    Most guys don’t even know about their own bodies let alone a Woman’s-for example, did you know that the average healthy human Male can generate over the course of a lifetime, about 16 gallons of jizz? Hmm? Keyword here: “healthy”. Trust me V40, you can literally fuck and bust off major nut for life *if* you take care of yourself. That’s key, because usually, most Men don’t really know what they’re doing w/a Woman’s body till they hit they’re 30s or sometimes 40s. At 40, I can tell you, that I am far and away a better lover than I was at 20, and because I took care of myself, I don’t have any appreciable dropoff in stamina or staying power-every Woman I’ve ever had tells me I’m hands down the most horniest Man they’ve ever met.

    So, learn basic human anatomy, male and female. That’s very important.

    The next thing you gotta do is learn the sexual psychology of the male and female. This is where Women’s Erotica comes in. Even the more lesbian kinds can give you important clues. Do some Googling around on the web, you’ll find some interesting stuff.

    Here’s a freebie link to the Kama Sutra; if you search through the archive, you’ll find a freebie version of the Perfumed Garden as well:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/kama/index.htm

    Next, get urself a copy of The Story of O. Powerful reading, and essential for understanding Woman’s sexual psychology.

    *don’t rush w/a Woman*-take your time. The longer the session, the harder she cums, all things being equal. There are exceptions of course, but the general rule holds. A Woman’s clit & gspot are connected, learn how to work both.

    That’s enough to get you started. Oh, one last thing. Lots of people get all gaa gaa’d out over the differing kinds of sexual positions in the KS, etc. Bunk dat. Don’t try to be a sexual acrobat. Its a lot like martial arts, better to get four or five basic, fundamentally grounded moves or techniques down pat than to try crazy stuff that in all likelihood you’ll never use. Use the KS more as a guide into a Woman’s mind and the differences between male and female in a sexual sense. If you have any questions I’ll do all I can to help.

    The Obsidian

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  205. on May 1, 2009 at 7:04 pm maurice

    Kim –

    Nothing about innate biological differences? Hormones, etc.? I know that the “studies” deal is more about sociology and politics, but readers of this blog know that our “hindbrains” are different so we think and behave and react differently. Definitely a politically incorrect starting point, but if universities are set up to get at the truth, then why not start there…? btw, what you wrote also seems good. btw, second Dougjnn – we could use some female voices of reason around here.

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  206. on May 1, 2009 at 7:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    No comment from pa today I think we know where he went today. Bastard is going to the woods!!!!!

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  207. on May 1, 2009 at 7:07 pm Bhetti

    Feministx,
    1. Just some points I’ve been learning about masculinised psychology: They have an amazing ability to compartmentalise. Their spectrum of reactions is huge, even in the same man. In regards to women, their treatment of her and reaction depends on how bad their madonna/whore complex is and the nature it presents.
    Another way of observing this point: http://www.lakes.cumbria.sch.uk/index/english%20department/cultures/readpoems.htm#vultures

    2. Some opinions on what roissy wrote: Exhibitionism is definitely a hot fantasy for some women. It features sometimes in romantic fiction e.g. Welcome to Temptation by Jennifer Crusie. Also had an acquaintance talk about it in a ‘you have to try it!’ style in what was a tame conversation. Still, you guys talking about exhibitionism and skimpy clothes makes me extremely uncomfortable. Aiming for that would make me feel horrible, both about myself and about you. I really don’t think this is the way to deal with a traditional female or someone who’s not comfortable with this, unless you want to change some things that make up the fundamental identity that appeals to you.

    PseudoTJF accuses of a guy tapping into this fantasy for an inexperienced woman as automatically ridding her of her angelic state, which is interesting (misogyny, immorality of sex in public, what?). What roissy writes here’s also tapping into a domination dynamic, which is another trigger for women. Albeit it’s the dark side (‘cheating whore’) where it’s a ‘deserved’ form of ‘punishment’ and it’s cheap in some way. It’s both repulsive and attractive on different psychological levels.

    3. Opinions on picking up roissy online: I really don’t think roissy is the hottest male here. There’s a whole spectrum of men commenting as well. Other females’ opinions may differ.

    4. Being with a male and not being willing to offer him everything of yourself doesn’t work very well. I can barely stand their ways with being attracted; I don’t think eliminating this leads to happiness at all. I personally don’t like the idea of you marrying a man and trying to raise healthy children with him while not being attracted.

    5. Virgin@40 is sentenced to creepiness forever in my mind and that definitely tipped the edge there.

    6. I agree the moral thing to do for men is to discourage sluttiness where they can realistically make a difference — or at least educate on it — if they know and believe the standard for a good woman involves being a less sexually experienced. This particularly applies to young women, who may have some wrong ideas about what men want, the price anyone — including men — has to pay for being promiscuous and how to keep men.

    7. It’s not only women who want what they can’t have, so I wonder if you’ve been learning to use lesbianism to your advantage (not saying you’re lying about it).

    8. Regarding ethical: Is it the methods or the casual sex itself that’s unethical? Does it matter if you acheive the same thing with what level of deception you use?

    Default:
    So when are you going to make your own blog so you can talk about sexy DOMming and I can ‘submit’ [comments, I think] to you?

    mnl:
    But seriously, Roissy, you’ve got a future in writing romance porn novels.

    He does not have a future in writing “romance porn novels” [not even sure which genre you’re referring to] at the moment, unless they’re terrible ones. I’m not sure about if they’re aimed at a male audience. Possibly erotica, but he’ll have to use all his skills, not his brief half an hour.

    Jan van Goyen: Have you even read a romance novel? I love romance novels. No offence to roissy but this doesn’t do it one bit. His LTR post is more romance novel. I hope we have cleared up the difference between romance novel material and sexual content, thankyou.

    maurice: not bothering to stand up for anything is cowardly. So kudoes on that. From a few things (like the way you apologise and, yeah, there’re different ways) you could err on beta a bit.

    Those who’re saying this is fiction: I’m sure roissy has the imagination to invent better than that.

    Seeking Alpha: hell-a slow OR just not obsessively paying attention to comments; bless your heart.

    DA: I remember Nicole equating sleeping with someone you’re not attracted to as self-rape (to paraphrase heavily) and this is where it comes in.

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  208. on May 1, 2009 at 7:10 pm W.I.

    David Alexander

    There is nothing like a good, vigorous all night fuck session to quiet a fiesty little bitch down.

    I’d love to see somebody explain this phenomenon…

    Think Sigmund Freud’s explanation of the superego, ego and id (ala pleasure principle). Freud argued that the id was more or less or primal instinct to seek pleasure (or avoid pain if you will). Women who operate more on the id have higher levels of estrogen + more impulsive behavior.

    It’s like a closed house with a leaking gas stove and then you go light a cigar. Simply exquisite.

    Now, when you couple that basic explanation with the fact that most women are naturally built to ensure that the most kick-ass alpha dog sperm gets up their legs for some fertilization, you’ll start to grasp where the behavior comes from.

    Impulsive + High Estrogen + Women = Superb amounts of beta ball busting energy that is practically begging to be conquered and quelled. If there was anything close to bitches being in heat then it’d be this. Picture a woman dressed to kill (betas) in a bar setting plus ball-busting comebacks to almost any opener and you’ve got yourself a feisty woman who’s practically dying for some alpha in her life.

    But what if she’s ball-busting cuz she’s upset about something?

    Well…her ass wouldn’t be out dressed prominently display all signs of fertility now would she?

    But then again, she could just be this woman: http://www.lasplash.com/uploads/gift_guide/roundup_0000000000002227_image_01.jpg

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  209. on May 1, 2009 at 7:11 pm Virgin@40

    FeministX,

    “Anyways, you’ve really got something there Virg@40. It’s horrendously mutilated, tortured and repressed, but that right there is your inner alpha. Now, if you just brush it up a bit- give it a makeover and a presentable face and some steel tempered restraint, you’ll have a real chance with that 10 you don’t deserve right now.

    Why save the alphatude for me? I’m not what you want.”

    That is part of being a Beta. I have no feelings for you whatsoever. You are a virtual charachter to me. In fact, for what I’ve read from you, I don’t really like your type.
    So, I don’t care and can do to you almost anything that I can think of as long as it does not goes against my, let’s call it, “deepest, engrained principles”.

    But I don’t hate women, I simply cannot do that. And as such, I have a great dificulty to translate all this into women.

    Now what about my ten? I wouldn’t allow you to touch one nail in her hair if she didn’t wanted you too.
    But I can’t do that to an angel either. Detachment. Detachment and (Social) Vallue.

    P.S. – Despite me don’t liking you, I liked the cool way with which you swallowed my fucking-rude comment. Interesting. And not good if one thinks for more than 30 seconds about it.

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  210. on May 1, 2009 at 7:13 pm kim

    Yea, definitely. I feel like dealing with that stuff in a men’s studies class vs a women’s studies class is different, so I could see it being discussed more in men’s studies. It gets brought up in women’s studies, but more like….women fighting against the stereotype of being more emotional, hormonally driven, etc. Whereas it seems like men, embrace the biological differences. I guess that in itself is something to be examined.

    And thank you, Maurice and Dougjnn for the nice words 🙂

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  211. on May 1, 2009 at 7:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Virgin find a woman to practice on and intentionally practice all day all night. Use your vivid imagination. Eventually you will find one where it is not practice but the real thing.

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  212. on May 1, 2009 at 7:29 pm dougjnn

    Feministx–

    Over on your blog in your latest post you muse about who (which sort of man) you should marry. You say you want to raise a child together with a man, for balanced parenting reasons (or perhaps you said that here).

    You talk about how genes are very important to you and how you want to marry out of your (Asian) Indian racial/ethnic group for what amounts to hybrid vigor. You discuss your pros and cons (more pros of course) with a semi nude posed picture of yourself (ironically outside, with a small waterfall in the background). You then discuss various racial/ethnic groups with their pros and cons from your point of view and settle on Nordic white men, so long as the one in question is highly intelligent (but probably not quite at a genus level), wants children (so genes for that will pass to your kids), and is an alpha.

    With that background for readers here, I’m going to post here the question I posted to you there:

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  213. on May 1, 2009 at 7:30 pm dougjnn

    Feministx

    (oops premature posting. Well maybe it’s good to break it up anyway.)

    Why would an alpha Nordic white man, with the smart, interested in having children and otherwise alpha characteristics you’re looking for, want to marry you?

    Oh I can see how quite a few might if they didn’t know you were exclusively lesbian in what turns you on sexually, and only have sex with men sometimes for ulterior reasons. How are you going to keep the fact that you’re exclusively lesbian rather than bi as you claim, when he has sex with you and you recoil (or exercising some willpower just turn away) from his kisses and his stroking?

    I can imagine you getting a sperm donation alright, but why would such a man want to live with you and raise a child or children with you? Even assuming a fully open marriage, why would an alpha choose to live with a woman that wasn’t sexually into him, when he can and does get plenty who are? For that matter why would even a higher beta want to marry you, who can get pretty women, he just has a harder time getting them easily or reliably for casual sex, or as quickly after his last relationship breakup?

    We haven’t even talked about what happens to men in America these days when women decide to divorce them. Aren’t you an awfully high risk for that, whether the divorce is initiated by you because you want to live with a girl such as the white Playboy one you feature a the end of this blog post, or by him when he realizes just how soul deadening it is to live with a woman that never sexually desires him, when he can get good looking and compatible ones who do?

    Isn’t this fantasy of yours just a tad far fetched?

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  214. on May 1, 2009 at 7:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Any woman an alpha gets with he can have for as long as he wants. But he has to choose which one gets to stay with him for life.

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  215. on May 1, 2009 at 7:36 pm David on ipod

    And one should add that her anti-male sentiment wouldn’t attract the sympathies of beta males like myself even with the promise of “reimbursement sex”.

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  216. on May 1, 2009 at 7:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””feministx.blogspot.com
    Roissy just probably makes up half this shit. If not half, then all of it. I mean, what was the point of that ridiculous animal sex exhibit convo? Why does Roissy bother hitting on any girl at all? Is it a habit he can’t break?

    The man writing this blog doesn’t need to take his ass of the couch to get laid.

    Roissy’s inbox:

    Slut 1: Hi, I found your blog and you sound like the kind of guy who really knows what a woman wants. I live in DC. my number is 555-…

    Slut 1: Ok, so I hate to admit it, but your blog really turns me on. Do you use IM?

    Slut 3: Ive been reading your blog for a long time and I just have a personal question for you…””””””””””””””””

    Something tells me fem doesn’t get any man she wants the jealousy is a little too opaque.

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  217. on May 1, 2009 at 7:45 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    Doug, I don’t really want to marry a Nordic man. It’s an inside joke because the site I was referencing is authored by a Nordic man who seems somewhat paranoid about his diminishing race. He also is not fond of Jews, which is why he told me to marry a Jew who was going to have children anyways.

    “Oh I can see how quite a few might if they didn’t know you were exclusively lesbian in what turns you on sexually, and only have sex with men sometimes for ulterior reasons”

    I am not a lesbian.

    Bhetti,

    “No offence to roissy but this doesn’t do it one bit.”

    I agree. Everything about his writing is erotic except for his sex scenes, which so far have been bland and monotonous for me.

    Roissy, your talent is in the verbiage. Tell us what you would say when you fuck a girl.

    “So, I don’t care and can do to you almost anything that I can think of as long as it does not goes against my, let’s call it, “deepest, engrained principles”.

    But I don’t hate women, I simply cannot do that. And as such, I have a great dificulty to translate all this into women.”

    Apparently racial hate crimes and gang rape fall within your deep principles.

    “P.S. – Despite me don’t liking you, I liked the cool way with which you swallowed my fucking-rude comment. Interesting. And not good if one thinks for more than 30 seconds about it.”

    What is not good? That you have repressed rage issues or that I don’t care that you do?

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  218. on May 1, 2009 at 7:48 pm Tood

    FeministX,

    I am an North Indian man with a 145 IQ, degrees from top schools, 6’3″ in height, and in looks, got a 7.8 on AmIhotornot.com.

    I am a donor to the California Cryobank near Stanford University. I am probably the only Indian donor. Travel to Palo Alto, and go there. This is the best juice of an Indian man you will ever find.

    Just don’t try to uncover my identity.

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  219. on May 1, 2009 at 7:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dam Tood full go on the have a million kids.

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  220. on May 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm Comment_Whatever

    Now, for all the people hating femistx and liking Maurice…. let’s look at the two.

    femistx is honest. Maybe it’s meant to be disarming, or maybe fools are supposed to think she ‘really isn’t like that’. However, assuming your can keep your desire to be a White Knight under control, whatever trouble femistx causes is committed on those who ignore the bright red flashing “DANGER! DANGER!” signs.

    Maurice has been programmed by decadent Western Culture to ‘know’ we are all the same… and that ‘racism'(failing to believe we are all the same) mostly exists in white people. Mostly MALE white people. She then enforces her programming on every conversation she is a part of. No doubt femistx is frying Maurice’s poor little white woman brain with her unabashed ‘racial’ talk.

    Maurice is probably thinking something like:
    femistx, the good. colored. woman! is racist. How. Is. That. Possible. Woman. Agree. Femistx. Woman. Not- Agree. Bad. Logic failure. Does. Not. Compute.

    For temporarily frying Maurice’s social conformity circuits femistx deserves a cookie. Good monster!

    Oh, and Maurice, your point that just ‘backward’ India, China ,Japan, All South and Central America, Africa ,Pre-Decadent Western Europe and US, and also Pretty Much Everyone But Current Decadent Western Europe/US believing in racial differences is well taken. I concede your dodge!

    feministx wrote:

    “But if I had some, then I would probably have sex with them once in a while if they looked lonely or down.

    End feministx

    lurker:

    —and yet hate it, lol. but only in exchange for things. what a ‘tute.

    End lurker

    It is written that the Alpha shall ignore the Beta Bait.

    Honestly, I find socially-programmed bots like Maurice far more tiresome than femistx. If I wanted to listen to bots, I’d turn on the TV. Does Obama still have his own TV channel on cable?

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  221. on May 1, 2009 at 7:54 pm Tood

    Feministx is an Indian woman age 26, with a decent body but a not-so-good face.

    She is in her marriage prime now. She has 4 more years of this. At age 30, it will be too late for her to marry.

    Her skin will last about a decade longer than a white woman’s skin, however. The skin of white women ensure that their shelf life is only half that of non-white women.

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  222. on May 1, 2009 at 7:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Tood why do you think your marriage went under?

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  223. on May 1, 2009 at 7:55 pm dougjnn

    feministx

    I am not a lesbian.

    How can you be bisexual rather than lesbian when you enjoy and actively seek out sex with some women, but don’t enjoy sex with any men, as you told us on this blog yesterday?

    How can you not be a lesbian when although the actual penetration by a penis doesn’t horrify you it isn’t really pleasurable to you either, and you recoil when a man starts to caress or kiss you, or want to at least?

    How can you not be a lesbian when you only sometimes fuck men for ulterior reasons, such as they’ve done you a favor and you want to pay them back, or you want to get something from them, as you told us yesterday?

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  224. on May 1, 2009 at 7:55 pm Tood

    “Dam Tood full go on the have a million kids.”

    Actually, I am trying to get accepted to a second bank in Oakland where the black women go.

    The Palo Alto bank is patronized by white SWPL women.

    Although not more than 10 conceptions per man per bank are allowed. I am going to the second bank to get to 20.

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  225. on May 1, 2009 at 7:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Finish him!!!

    So at 15 it is over for them Tood. Repeatedly slaps the shit out of tood.

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  226. on May 1, 2009 at 8:00 pm Bhetti

    Feministx: Don’t misunderstand completely. I’m sure it activates something somewhere, although it’s not extreme in any of the right directions… wow, I’m amazed I still have comfort zones about what I can talk about on the Internet. This post was better hotness-wise and I’m not talking about the ‘pointers’ section.

    I think this post highlights the grain of truth in ‘all people are bi’. I mean, there is something gay about turning other men on. I’m just sayin.

    And apparently roissy’s an expert at this with his former ‘career’ 😉 !

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  227. on May 1, 2009 at 8:03 pm dougjnn

    Tood —

    She is in her marriage prime now. She has 4 more years of this. At age 30, it will be too late for her to marry.

    It would be deeply immoral for her to marry a man by pretending she’s bisexual or even hetero when she’s clearly exclusively lesbian. See my comments above.

    I also very much doubt she’ll be able to attract an intelligent alpha male, or even a higher beta to do so — unless they believe in virginal (for them) marriage.

    But let’s be honest Tood. She does have a hot body. Although she’s way too short – 5′. She’s also pretty. Not gorgeous but pretty.

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  228. on May 1, 2009 at 8:05 pm Rum

    Kim

    frules was my spastic typing skills trying to produce the word “rules”.
    OK, you are still in school, so you deserve a break or two. In my profession we normally spend lots of time teaching so I have the instincts to understand that.
    It is my belief that the real truth about the man/woman thing is so far away from the mindset of contemporary left/feminist academics that it is almost a case of “you cannot get there from here”. Just about everything that is taken for granted in those precincts I believe is misleading or worse.
    I am fascinated by African Lions. They are incredibly bright and adaptable creatures with the most amazing courage when the chips are down. And what is best about them is that you can get a quick and accurate sense of a persons gender prejudices just by listening to them comment on Lion family structure. I mean, 90% of the males die alone and childless; 90% of the females bear children within the “family”. But the local alpha Lion always eats first, rarely hunts in the heat of the day, and does the lions share of the breeding work. Plus, they have neat manes and roar whenever they feel like it.
    So, which gender has more “power”? Think before you answer.

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  229. on May 1, 2009 at 8:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I am just trying to get to the same level of freedom a woman who divorces a semi wealthy guy has and it is kind of tough.

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  230. on May 1, 2009 at 8:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Why we need to set up so guys can achieve the same economic freedom as females do.

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  231. on May 1, 2009 at 8:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Woman who achieve the income stream in doing it through divorce know they are the weak.

    Men who achieve it and produce income streams know they are the strong.

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  232. on May 1, 2009 at 8:20 pm gig

    Feministx is an Indian woman age 26

    This blog breaks record after record of diversity. A black eunuch from haiti, black muslim who happens to be a conservative, a worshipper of hairy old women, a póssible mexican international playboy, a virgin portuguese and now an indian lesbian and man-hater.

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  233. on May 1, 2009 at 8:21 pm dougjnn

    Kim–

    Come on babe hurry up! I’m trying to let you answer Rum on his lions and gender question first.

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  234. on May 1, 2009 at 8:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    I would say the male lion has the power because he knows he is the strong.

    The lioness will always know they are the weak for they are always having to adapt to the strong.

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  235. on May 1, 2009 at 8:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    whoops he he he don’t copy kim

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  236. on May 1, 2009 at 8:23 pm dougjnn

    gig

    Who’s the virgin Portuguese?

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  237. on May 1, 2009 at 8:23 pm Bhetti

    SWPL Diversity Prize to Roissy: Doing What “Those Liberals” Couldn’t Do.

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  238. on May 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea gig wtf it is wild

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  239. on May 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    This blog owns

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  240. on May 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm Bhetti

    Doug: wild guess, Virgin@40? Although was he an actual virgin… *forgets*

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  241. on May 1, 2009 at 8:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    oh shit gigs racist didn’t mention any white ancestry nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    lol

    And gig is brazilian right.

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  242. on May 1, 2009 at 8:27 pm gig

    well folks. DC and the East coast of the US is in the next time zone to Rio, so when it is 10 PM here, it is 9 PM in DC and New York.

    It is friday night. This is a blog about dating. In my defense I say that this weekend is special since I had to work today (a holiday here) and still have work to do tomorrow.

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  243. on May 1, 2009 at 8:27 pm Bhetti

    Clearly, all white people are the same and don’t count as diversity 😉

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  244. on May 1, 2009 at 8:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    For some reason people that have had some pain in there lives comment here people who succeeded against odds. Since that is almost everyone cool.

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  245. on May 1, 2009 at 8:29 pm gig

    bhetti

    he certainly writes like a virgin

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  246. on May 1, 2009 at 8:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol bhetti,
    Come ere ya little wench.

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  247. on May 1, 2009 at 8:31 pm gig

    bhetti

    the non whites are more, how can I say, diverse……..

    and the non-whites here are particularly diverse.

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  248. on May 1, 2009 at 8:31 pm Mike

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  249. on May 1, 2009 at 8:32 pm gig

    bhetti

    A muslim women in a PUA blog. I forgot to include you in the list.

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  250. on May 1, 2009 at 8:34 pm whiskey

    FeministX / Dougjn —

    If Roissy gives women what they want, and they do by his and their own admission want this, i.e. “dark triad” or whatever you call it, why complain? It’s like railing at McDonalds for selling fatty foods. Of course that’s McDonalds. They don’t market themselves as health food. There’s no swindle, you know exactly what you’re getting, just as women do with Roissy.

    So why complain? What’s it to an avowed Lesbian if women prefer this sort of man?

    Again, it matters because it diminishes her possible pool of partners by making straight women happy.

    Corollary: fundamental conflict of interest between Lesbians and Straight men make no possible alliance possible, since both are competitors for the same limited resource: attractive women.

    As for an involved father of your children, it’s fairly unlikely. You’d have to be awfully attractive (top 1/2 of 1%) to attract any decent quality man with your admitted big downsides: being a Lesbian. A very low quality guy? Yes but would he make a good father for your kids, including constant fatherly involvement? Highly unlikely IMHO.

    FeministX complains that women find jerky guys who are socially dominant HOT and want to sleep with them, and that furthermore guys wanting sex/affection give women EXACTLY what they want. Heck their jerkiness ATTRACTS women.

    FeministX your problem is with WOMEN not men. If being jerks were turn-offs every PUA would go home alone and nice guys would be overflowing with women. Please. After all, 80% of women who ever lived reproduced, but only 40% of all men who ever lived did so. Women are hardwired to want guys like Roissy, so big surprise every Straight Guy will be modeling him one way or another.

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  251. on May 1, 2009 at 8:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Whiskey yea I am thinking earlier it would be less than 40 percent.

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  252. on May 1, 2009 at 8:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    I know I would have killed off every compeditor if we where living in caveman time not just 6 out of ten. He He He Thing more in terms of 99 percent.

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  253. on May 1, 2009 at 8:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then there would be the other guy you would talk to one harem over.

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  254. on May 1, 2009 at 8:41 pm Virgin@40

    Maurice,

    “That was very disturbing. See, I try to be a moderating presence, and I end up inspiring more abuse.”

    Don’t be. I know you’re good hearted and that you meant good. However, you’re also American and thus you know it all:
    The tree of liberty must be refreshed once in a while with the blood of tyrants and heroes.

    Long live education and politeness!
    Down with Political Correctness!

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  255. on May 1, 2009 at 8:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    This was while I was younger now I am the kindler gentler me.

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  256. on May 1, 2009 at 8:44 pm Bhetti

    Gig: I’m procrastinating/taking breaks between analysing data at 2:30 am is what I’m doing. I said I’d have this report ready for the guy today and already am on extension. Apparently, US people don’t actually have to do clinical audits (I don’t know what I’m doing with one, I’m only a second year medical student with zero research experience. Risk-taking is risky.)

    I didn’t think you were trying to be comprehensive. Don’t see any other Arabs floating about, either. If so, come out, come out; really need to socialise with my ‘own kind’ more. Only quality Arab male known to me in any depth has already been snagged by someone at my medical school. Quick work and I commend her for it! Every word he says is amused, unhurried, lightly sarcastic, teasing…

    Gunny: Yarr! And what will ye be wantin’? I don’t have much business wi’ white, legendary, married pirates of any sort: literal or metaphorical. 😦

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  257. on May 1, 2009 at 8:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just some passion no more no less.

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  258. on May 1, 2009 at 8:51 pm gig

    feministX is a southern indian brahmin. She has no problems in getting married. I´d say to her: marry a nerdish bramihn, go live with him in California, and hunt for hot girls while he works

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  259. on May 1, 2009 at 8:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    I am not a robber I always thought that was dumb.

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  260. on May 1, 2009 at 8:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh shit rum the chicks in us have become the male lion. While the men have become the female lions.

    Must be where I am coming up with my theory that I can be the male lion and have woman do what there supposed to. Bring home food for the male king.

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  261. on May 1, 2009 at 8:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    When hes ready to fuck they are there at his leisure.

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  262. on May 1, 2009 at 8:55 pm Rum

    I have spent considerable time around lesbians. I was drunk, mostly.. anyway… I eventually, I came to see it as a kind of fraud. Lesbians are basically women with hyper-hypergamic need for alpha-ness in men. They have such a raging contempt of beta-men that they conclude that they can fuck/seduce a woman better than a beta man could; and they do, just to prove the point.
    But every single one of them will come like a train if properly trussed up and rogered by a bull elephant.

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  263. on May 1, 2009 at 8:56 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: Not a pirate? Don’t make me start saying painful jokes with ‘But what about all the booty?’ references.

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  264. on May 1, 2009 at 8:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    They groom him and bath him and do everything for him as he is king of the group.

    Sounds like a good life.

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  265. on May 1, 2009 at 8:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    They raise the kids and do the work he just manages that shit and keeps the family protected.

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  266. on May 1, 2009 at 9:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Bhetti woman are not supposed to neg men they are supposed to be gracefull and pure.

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  267. on May 1, 2009 at 9:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or at least till you get them alone.

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  268. on May 1, 2009 at 9:02 pm Bhetti

    Rum: That makes sense to me. Kept on wondering if Game works the same way if a woman uses it… then thought about all the life situations where I actually acted ‘alpha’ and, actually, it works on most people, even parental units.

    As fundamentally female, however, I can’t give the proper respect and love to people if that’s the relationship dynamic. So, I’m embracing the feminine side.

    Ever wonder if people’re thinking ‘Is that what goes on in my doc’s head?!’

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  269. on May 1, 2009 at 9:03 pm gig

    ” Lesbians are basically women with hyper-hypergamic need for alpha-ness in men”

    precisely. Usually they are ugly, or below average, so they are completely unable to land an alpha. Therefore the lesbianism comes as a rationalization for theur inability to get the alphas

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  270. on May 1, 2009 at 9:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    I shouldn’t have said wench I should have said delicate demur little cuddly sweet innocent beautifull thing come here to me and let me use you beauty.

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  271. on May 1, 2009 at 9:04 pm Mike

    Contrarian quote: “If she’s willing to have sex with you in a public place, she’s no angel.”

    yeah… keep telling yourself that.

    What is the right answer?

    a. Even “angels” will basically do anything with an alpha enough guy who turns them on enough and is assertive and takes charge rather then ask

    or

    b. There is no such thing as an “angel”

    Still learnin.

    PS I’ll second the notion that contrarian is a stupid fuck.

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  272. on May 1, 2009 at 9:05 pm dougjnn

    gig–

    My woman is out of town which sucks.

    I’m 102 — that’s got to count for something in your diversity sweepstakes. Or anyway Bhetti pretends that I am (based on what I thought was a flip retort to Chic Noir), as an aide to resisting my devastating charm and maintaining her pre-marital Muslim purity.

    Hey, if that’s what the girl needs …

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  273. on May 1, 2009 at 9:05 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: They have to develop shields to remain ‘pure’. Saying ‘no’ when wanting to say ‘maybe?’ or ‘yes!’ a lot is going to have an effect.

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  274. on May 1, 2009 at 9:09 pm Bhetti

    Doug: As if your fictional advanced age’s much of an obstacle, trouble. You’d probably score regularly if you were actually 102 without the use of money. You’re incredibly sneaky like that.

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  275. on May 1, 2009 at 9:09 pm gig

    Kept on wondering if Game works the same way if a woman uses it

    game is like the hability to pee standing. It is a men´s thing

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  276. on May 1, 2009 at 9:10 pm Bhetti

    Gig: Bad metaphor. Will not compare it literally. Will not compare it literally.

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  277. on May 1, 2009 at 9:10 pm Bhetti

    metaphor = simile*

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  278. on May 1, 2009 at 9:11 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    ” I eventually, I came to see it as a kind of fraud. Lesbians are basically women with hyper-hypergamic need for alpha-ness in men. They have such a raging contempt of beta-men that they conclude that they can fuck/seduce a woman better than a beta man could; and they do, just to prove the point.”

    How did you come to this conclusion? Please elucidate.

    “It is friday night. This is a blog about dating. In my defense I say that this weekend is special since I had to work today (a holiday here) and still have work to do tomorrow.”

    In my defense, I don’t like dating. Just want marriage.

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  279. on May 1, 2009 at 9:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””Mike,
    What is the right answer?

    a. Even “angels” will basically do anything with an alpha enough guy who turns them on enough and is assertive and takes charge rather then ask

    or

    b. There is no such thing as an “angel””””””””””””””

    They can be an angel. It is the way they move. It is after they have done unspeakable things they still have their dignity. They still have there movement. They still have a soul. They still have grace. They are still beautiful and remain unspoiled. They are woman. They do not become rough men from a rough life. They stay a woman.

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  280. on May 1, 2009 at 9:17 pm Rum

    Bhetti

    What is a “clinical audit”? Nevermind. I remember now. Med Students are universally exploited as the cheapest labor source in the whole system. Any system.
    When I worked in the Emergency Department as a student we were expected to 1. draw the sample 2. carry it to the lab 3. run the test 4. find staff to explain the case to and get some orders co-signed 5. finish up the paper-work and 6.ride my bicycle home thru streets of raving madness/frenzied orgies to some rest in my dank hovel.
    And pay a lot in tuition for the priviledge.
    It can only get better. Hang in there kiddo.

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  281. on May 1, 2009 at 9:20 pm dougjnn

    Rum–

    But every single one of them will come like a train if properly trussed up and rogered by a bull elephant.

    This is true of all bi women, at least as far as fucking with a real good alpha goes. They may well not want to live with him though.

    But I really don’t think it’s true or even close to true of all lesbians. With a great many of them though no one will ever know because they’re too unattractive to have a ghost of a chance at inspiring that kind of alpha interest.

    But there are definitely pretty lesbians that simply aren’t physically attracted to any men. Some are just not wired to be attracted to men.

    I really don’t think feministx is.

    However she finds LOTS of social advantages, including allowing herself to get a husband, but lots of others, in claiming she’s bi. Among other things it helps her get bi curious white women at least for a curiosity exploring night, who are her principal objects of lust.

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  282. on May 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm Obsidian

    Maybe its me, but I really don’t see the point in going back and forth w/FemX-shes been more than up front about who she is and what she’s about, and as far as I’m concernd the conversation stops right there. I move on to something else.

    Its kinda interesting to see a number of guys here engaging her, almost as if trying to “convince” her that she’s not this or really not into that. I’m neither trained nor have the inclination to be a psychotherapist here. I take the Woman at her word, and leave it at that.

    In a sense, it says a bit about our styles of Game. I’ve said on several occasions that I don’t “chase” Women. Uh uh. As soon as I get any sign that she doesn’t wanna be bothered, for any reason, I’m on to something else. I don’t try to reason with, cajole, or otherwise bogard my way “in”. Not worth the hassle or trouble, even if I’m successful. More work in than benefit out.

    So, I’m really curious-why do so many of you fellas feel compelled to go back and forth w/this gal? To what end? For what purpose? What is to be gained ultimately?

    Comments?

    O

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  283. on May 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm Bhetti

    Rum: Nah, I actually volunteered for this one, although got more than I bargained. They can be very useful e.g. this piece of news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8024137.stm

    Apparently someone does them, but not the doctors, where you’re at. Not 100% sure what you call them there.

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  284. on May 1, 2009 at 9:24 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    ” I take the Woman at her word, and leave it at that.”

    Omegatude.

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  285. on May 1, 2009 at 9:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””Bhetti
    Gunny: They have to develop shields to remain ‘pure’. Saying ‘no’ when wanting to say ‘maybe?’ or ‘yes!’ a lot is going to have an effect.””””””””””””””””

    Keep it up. I need you “pure” when you finish med school.

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  286. on May 1, 2009 at 9:26 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    testing

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  287. on May 1, 2009 at 9:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””dougjnn
    gig–

    My woman is out of town which sucks.””””””””””

    LOL Doug it is obvious pa’s isn’t.

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  288. on May 1, 2009 at 9:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Calm down feminist it is Bhetti attention time.

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  289. on May 1, 2009 at 9:30 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    Sometimes it says my comments await moderation. I don’t know why that only happens sometimes.

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  290. on May 1, 2009 at 9:34 pm dougjnn

    Feministx–

    In my defense, I don’t like dating. Just want marriage.

    How is marriage to a man something you can ethically do? Assuming that is you can attract one who meets your very high genetic quality needs, being lesbian and not enjoying sex with men and all as you’ve said several times here in different ways you don’t.

    Ok sure, if you prove Rum right at least in your case BEFORE you marry the guy, by finding an alpha (Nordic or not but it sounds like for you white, that’s ok) who turns you on no end, and with whom you’re not only deeply compatible, and love in an adore sort of way, and also have passionate hot, you loving it, sex with, the sure. Hell yes. Go for it.

    If the prospective husband’s caressing and kissing you as well as the rest of sex, from mutual oral to hard penetration, isn’t doing it for you or even tends to repulse you, then how could you do that to a man?

    Getting a suitable male’s sperm from a sperm bank, or more intimately if that didn’t potentially have big legal strings on it (as it does under current feminist American law), is something else and find.

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  291. on May 1, 2009 at 9:38 pm Bhetti

    feminist: if some links are involved or certain trigger words are mentioned (you don’t happen to be mentioning a certain japanese city, are you?), then moderation!

    Gunny: I have a special attention time?! Too much attention from The Legend and implosions will occur. Anyway, your comment makes me think of the whole ‘off-limits’ aspect to the fascination with femx.

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  292. on May 1, 2009 at 9:42 pm Tood

    “It would be deeply immoral for her to marry a man by pretending she’s bisexual or even hetero when she’s clearly exclusively lesbian. See my comments above.”

    Agreed. But in Indian society, lying about such things, rather than admitting them, is the modus operandi.

    Feministx wrote : In my defense, I don’t like dating. Just want marriage.

    Well, you belong to the right group for that. Most Indians get married very fast, with little or no ‘dating’. Just don’t try to be a ‘feminist’ in an SWPL vein – it is not proper within Indian society.

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  293. on May 1, 2009 at 9:44 pm Tood

    …So, I’m really curious-why do so many of you fellas feel compelled to go back and forth w/this gal? …

    She is new here, nothing more. It is a hazing initiation to this blog.

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  294. on May 1, 2009 at 9:45 pm Bhetti

    Femx: Nevermind how can you do it to a man, how can you do it to yourself i.e. being with someone you’re not attracted to?

    Children can be the love of people’s lives and their purpose, but it’s very difficult to make it work for you unless he has a similar agenda. It really seems like a formula for unhappiness still.

    Anyway, feel free to not reply. For all I know, there’re deeply rooted sensitive reasons for all this.

    Tood: It’s meant to be that model in Arabic society but my father was very bitter about how he was convinced my mother lied about loving him. There’re some things that’re very cross-cultural.

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  295. on May 1, 2009 at 9:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    I just made my woman self spank for no reason because of that lol I don’t know why.

    Anyway yea taming a lesbian who hates men is quite a challenge to throw out there.

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  296. on May 1, 2009 at 9:47 pm Rum

    Bhetti

    Thanks for the link.
    I read it. But here is the bottom line. The only cases of lung cancer that result in long term survival are the ones that were mis-diagnosed from the start. Same with pancreatic cancer and several others. Terrible; so sad. Reality.
    By the way, what horrible, incurable diseases have you diagnosed in yourself lately? I mean, no one gets thru their 2nd yr of Med School without a brain tumor at least.

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  297. on May 1, 2009 at 9:47 pm Tood

    “So at 15 it is over for them Tood. Repeatedly slaps the shit out of tood.”

    Not with the same woman, silly boy.

    My 10 donations would go to 10 different women, for 10 different kids out of the Palo Alto bank.

    Oakland will enable a different 10, probably with mothers of a totally different race.

    Welcome to 21st century polygamy and cuckolding!! I don’t even have to ever see the woman. But when the kids are 18, they have the legal right to contact me.

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  298. on May 1, 2009 at 9:53 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian–

    shes been more than up front about who she is and what she’s about

    She most emphatically has not been.

    Look I’m not down with some of the viscous attacks on her either, e.g. by Virgin40 (though it’s long been kind of hard for me to take him very seriously). Lurkers always good for that kind of thing too.

    She self presented as bi-sexual. Then she said some things which indicated she really didn’t like sex with men — any men. PA and I drew her out on that. Then I summed up what she said to several people and concluded that really she had to be a straight up lesbian rather than bi, since even though she can sometimes tolerate sex with men for ulterior reasons, she never really enjoys it, but loves sex with good looking or LTR compatible women. Soon after that you praised my getting to the bottom of things with her.

    She never challenged that until this afternoon. Then she only did it by saying she’s not a lesbian, with no backup anecdotes or statements to demonstrate anything.

    Seems to me clear that her bi-sexuality is pure deception with maybe some element of self deception, because it works far better in 1) attracting a husband which we have only just learned is a high current priority to her; and 2) scoring with hot bi curious women if only for a night of curiosity pursuit on their part.

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  299. on May 1, 2009 at 9:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Shit my womans dreaming about going christian. Christianity the womans religion.

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  300. on May 1, 2009 at 9:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol no I was talking about your indian going bad at 30 and then you said white woman had skin that lasted half as long.

    In same league as foreign bs is same as us masters.

    Toods words
    “”””””””””””””Feministx is an Indian woman age 26, with a decent body but a not-so-good face.

    She is in her marriage prime now. She has 4 more years of this. At age 30, it will be too late for her to marry.

    Her skin will last about a decade longer than a white woman’s skin, however. The skin of white women ensure that their shelf life is only half that of non-white women.”””””””””””””””””””””

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  301. on May 1, 2009 at 10:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    I told her where going muslim now she is happy. Ahh woman what ya gonna do.

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  302. on May 1, 2009 at 10:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    She said give woman two no problem. Your in Bhetti He He He

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  303. on May 1, 2009 at 10:02 pm Tood

    “lol no I was talking about your indian going bad at 30 and then you said white woman had skin that lasted half as long.”

    Age of reproductive expiration is the same with all women.

    But the rate of skin wrinkling is much faster for whites. Blacks, browns, and yellows all keep their skin good into their 40s.

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  304. on May 1, 2009 at 10:06 pm Bhetti

    Rum: Not that serious case of medical student’s syndrome but I have one or two. It’s embarrassing to say them, let me try and say one in code: involving HCL with differential of dysplasia or risk of internal bloody death. Also, ‘course, diabetes.

    Our medical school has sent out two e-mails about swine flu already ‘if you look like you have the flu in any way, do not come in!

    The ‘it’s no use’ thinking explains the figures, at least.

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  305. on May 1, 2009 at 10:07 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: This is where I run away!

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  306. on May 1, 2009 at 10:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Irregardless you said indian couldn’t get married after 30 and whites had a half expiration date. So that would be 15 for marriage. LOL All I was saying not trying to have the whole debate. Everyone has a preference.

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  307. on May 1, 2009 at 10:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol

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  308. on May 1, 2009 at 10:09 pm dougjnn

    Gunny–

    Sounds like what she’s dreaming bout is being closer to you.

    Which is adorable.

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  309. on May 1, 2009 at 10:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I think it is too.

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  310. on May 1, 2009 at 10:10 pm David Alexander

    Again, it matters because it diminishes her possible pool of partners by making straight women happy.

    That presumes you can convert a straight girl into a perpetual lesbian. OTOH, you could argue that it’s a joint alpha male & lesbian conspiracy to keep the blackbeta man down. The alphas get sex with women, and in between sex (and impregnation) with alphas, women engage in lesbian relationships.

    Even “angels” will basically do anything with an alpha enough guy who turns them on enough and is assertive and takes charge rather then ask

    Hence why David believes that women and beta males are simply incompatible for any sexual or romantic relationship.

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  311. on May 1, 2009 at 10:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    She loves the christian thing about being one. Gonna wait me out on the other woman thing.

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  312. on May 1, 2009 at 10:11 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Tood: In my defense, I don’t like dating. Just want marriage.Well, you belong to the right group for that. Most Indians get married very fast, with little or no ‘dating’. Just don’t try to be a ‘feminist’ in an SWPL vein – it is not proper within Indian society.

    It’s meant to be that model in Arabic society but my father was very bitter about how he was convinced my mother lied about loving him. There’re some things that’re very cross-cultural.

    Well, with respect, that strikes me as messed up. If you’re gonna have a society with arranged marriages with barely any partner consent, then you either need women who are committed by cultural training / propaganda to making all key areas of the marriage work, including sex, or you need at least some modification to the system, including some more female marital partner choice.

    It certainly seems like you’re of that mind. It seems that a lot of what attracts you to here is to clear up in your own mind what you want in a man, or what the minimum or essentials are on the gut attraction front, to be weighed with other good husband material considerations (more along the lines of what successful or upwardly mobile parents want for their children).

    No?

    Btw, that Arab guy in your school that got nabbed so quick — sounds hot. Next time girlfriend.

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  313. on May 1, 2009 at 10:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    She is willing to wait till I am old and it is just me and her. This woman is amazing.

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  314. on May 1, 2009 at 10:16 pm Welmer

    Tood

    But the rate of skin wrinkling is much faster for whites. Blacks, browns, and yellows all keep their skin good into their 40s.

    That’s climate dependent. Where I live (Pac NW) skin damage isn’t a problem for whites, and the darker types look sallow and unhealthy without the sun.

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  315. on May 1, 2009 at 10:17 pm Comment_Whatever

    Rum said:

    I have spent considerable time around lesbians. I was drunk, mostly.. anyway… I eventually, I came to see it as a kind of fraud. Lesbians are basically women with hyper-hypergamic need for alpha-ness in men. They have such a raging contempt of beta-men that they conclude that they can fuck/seduce a woman better than a beta man could; and they do, just to prove the point.
    But every single one of them will come like a train if properly trussed up and rogered by a bull elephant.

    End Rum

    If feministx is a brahmin, then that definitely supports Rum’s point. Highest caste women would view marrying a highest caste man as ‘normal’ and would view ‘winning’ as marrying the highest of the high. Which is very, very high indeed.

    So, are you a brahmin, feministx?

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  316. on May 1, 2009 at 10:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    Her ability for future time projection is unbelievable.

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  317. on May 1, 2009 at 10:19 pm anon

    I can’t believe no one is talking about the fact that the chick was married.

    It’s one thing to have exciting sex, in any crazy way one wants to.

    But it’s beyond the pale to screw someone’s wife. However much she wants it.

    Roissy is right about women, and I have enjoyed reading the blog. But if screwing a married woman means nothing to him, then I have no respect for the man whatsoever.

    It’s one thing to be cynical about the downfall of our women and our civilization — I am with him on that — but it’s quite another to be part of the cause of that downfall, to wholeheartedly throw oneself into destroying families and relationships, and convincing the whores who cheat that nothing’s wrong with it.

    And he’s getting married?

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  318. on May 1, 2009 at 10:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Bhetti just learn to say no. Although it is fun to flirt. 🙂

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  319. on May 1, 2009 at 10:43 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “I can’t believe no one is talking about the fact that the chick was married.”

    Serio. I nominate the guy who let his wife go on a run alone with Roissy for the beta of the year award. Man, it is so dumb that someone should give the dude an honorary Darwin award for good measure.

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  320. on May 1, 2009 at 10:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    I was flirting with my woman using you he he he
    don’t feel used (:

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  321. on May 1, 2009 at 10:56 pm Bhetti

    Doug: I don’t really understand their relationship and what he wanted from her to this day. She did everything a normal man’s supposed to want: outfits, weight, loyalty, housekeeping, socialising. That part including bedroom didn’t seem to be the problem, on her side anyway. He didn’t watch his weight or made an effort & talked about love/her evil money-grubbing family. They were in seperate rooms in the house. There was a lot of miscommunication between them and they never seemed to trust each other or their intentions even though they seperately want the same things in the end. They’re both deplorably miserable and alone, not even looking at someone else (being a very wierd brand of loyal to each other, but not looking at each other either). They talk theoretically about trying someone else, but it’s a hollow theoretical discussion. They like blaming each other for their states. It’s all a bit tragic for them and it’s hard to understand why. I’m fine with it, people have much worse off family situations and it’s always been that way.

    I like to have my eyes wide open and I want to be comfortable with who men actually are, at their worst and best. There’re loads of reasons for being here. It’s always interesting in one way or another.

    Gunny: One thing I’ve learnt is that a simple ‘no’ does not work very well in some situations; I didn’t say it seriously, I didn’t mean it, he thinks he can walk all over me, blah, blah. If he’s being beta, he will use his stalkerfriend tactics. If he’s more alpha, he won’t give a damn; if he’s clever, retreat and future escalate. I have to humiliate him, cut his heart out with a knife and throw him from the 20th floor window to get rid of him, to make him convinced I mean it. If I’m being nice, it’s ‘mixed messages’. I don’t go near flirting in real life. A non-gentleman gives you no option but Pure Bitch; that’s the easiest way to recognise one, who can be exhibiting any of the beta/alpha traits.

    I am happy to aid in bettering marriages everywhere using mild jealousy, hurrah. Or trying to be. It’s a positive spin on ‘used’. I have actually said things online like ‘your husband sounds like… ‘ when I think them to help with the attraction levels a bit; nothing like another female wanting him.

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  322. on May 1, 2009 at 10:57 pm Rum

    This current flu epidemic is really just an internet rumor. More citizens of planet earth die in skating accidents than from this over-hyped runny-nose virus.
    And you gypos, leave those pigs alone. Where do your think your next wife will be from.

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  323. on May 1, 2009 at 11:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maybe there is something that you don’t know about Bhetti. They probably have not given you every detail.

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  324. on May 1, 2009 at 11:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””Gunny: One thing I’ve learnt is that a simple ‘no’ does not work very well in some situations; I didn’t say it seriously, I didn’t mean it, he thinks he can walk all over me, blah, blah. If he’s being beta, he will use his stalkerfriend tactics. If he’s more alpha, he won’t give a damn; if he’s clever, retreat and future escalate. I have to humiliate him, cut his heart out with a knife and throw him from the 20th floor window to get rid of him, to make him convinced I mean it. If I’m being nice, it’s ‘mixed messages’. I don’t go near flirting in real life. A non-gentleman gives you no option but Pure Bitch; that’s the easiest way to recognise one, who can be exhibiting any of the beta/alpha traits.”””””””””””

    How bout I am not interested in a relationship I just like fun and I want to stay a good girl. I don’t know. Woman in the workforce it does blow. Because when you are an alpha you get sexually harrassed all the time too. So even if you would have a woman you are committed to. You got woman at work trying to fuck you.

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  325. on May 1, 2009 at 11:40 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: Likely. Sadly, there doesn’t seem much to tell except omissions that’re due to backing up their own perspective. They’ve tried to be honest about it with me in particular because they don’t want to see those patterns again.

    Rum: Ha, I think they’re just trying to give us an excuse to bunk off. Still, if it’s going to hit anywhere epidemic style, it’s lovely overcrowded Londres. We has cases already. I’m not particularly worried, it seems very beatable. Risk of death from a strange disease just seems to go with the medical territory.

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  326. on May 1, 2009 at 11:47 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: That sort of thing can & does get ignored based on interpretation of other cues. The only strong one is ‘I have a boyfriend/fiance/husband/am in love with someone (who is big, beefy, strong and actually right there behind you)’. Men need to learn to say ‘no’, but if DA can do it…

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  327. on May 1, 2009 at 11:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not that its that bad I guess it makes you stronger. Like you said it makes your will stronger too right.

    I don’t think you have to be a bitch but yea just don’t put yourself in situation where your alone with a guy.

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  328. on May 1, 2009 at 11:53 pm whiskey

    FeministX —

    Again not being a man you don’t get it and cannot get it. Lesbians don’t care about how many past or future or current partners their girlfriends have because there is no downside. For men, there is — raising someone else’s kid.

    Therefore, your advices is by definition worthless since you cannot create strategies to achieve the male end — exclusive sex with a woman. It’s that simple and that hard to accomplish. And the likely outcome of today’s promiscuous woman is zilch male investment. Pump and dump, spread your seed. That’s it. It’s already a shift-change in the Black and White British underclass.

    Patriarchy is hardly cruel. Muslim men have always been shocked at how much freedom and liberty Western women have, a feature of monogamous patriarchy. They complained about in the 1600’s. Shocked at the courtesy and respect the Emperor at Vienna had for the ladies in the street. Hardened Crusader knights, thugs in chain mail, complained about the appalling and brutal treatment Lebanese washerwomen got in the 1100’s. We know this because we can read what they wrote. Giving most men a direct stake in most women’s freedom and liberty by making them exclusive sex partners gives women the best “deal” — otherwise the result is constant tribal-like warfare (a feature of matrilinial societies and resulting in a 4% annual murder rate) or “hard” Arabian style polygamous patriarchy with women as pure property.

    Take your pick. Hurt feelings are far less important than good outcomes. This is something that any mother knows: far better for her kid to cry when she smacks him than get run over running across the street.

    Kim — Hatred of women IS real. I’ve seen and heard FAR WORSE. This is “typical” (to use the Dog Whisperer’s favorite phrase) when men have no direct stake in women, i.e. not the monogamous partner of a woman who will likely bear his kids. But hey, Feminists found something “better” than Western Romantic Love and Monogamy and the Nuclear Family. So welcome to their world.

    Men don’t need research. They need women. As simple as that. As a practical matter White Women, Gays, Mexicans, Blacks, and SWPL Yuppies are openly allied in a struggle to push most White Men who are non-Alpha out of the cultural, economic, political, and academic spheres. Because power is a zero sum game and all loathe/hate Straight White Men who are non-alpha. Women for example find Beta men both workplace competitors and the bearer of unwanted sexual attention. This is not ever going to change and in a long-term downward economy expect Straight White Men to “shove back” in all spheres, no wiggle-room of an expanding economy to smooth the discrimination. Simple pure power politics, where it’s zero-sum game.
    ———————
    The hottest women ever sometimes can be lacking in the physicality dept. while still being attractive, having something “else” that just drives men wild. I knew a friend of mine, married, very sweet and nice, but she had no clue for a while that her niceness and affability just drove men wild. EVERY guy who saw her just wanted her. She finally got it and was a bit cold/standoffish to tone that reaction down.

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  329. on May 1, 2009 at 11:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Like in a room. Social situation should be no problem maybe.

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  330. on May 1, 2009 at 11:55 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Back.

    Well that last makes it sound different, more on him esp. if she did make strong bedroom efforts. Hey, I don’t want to delve. This is already too creapy re: parental units.

    BTW, you know where that came from?

    So what is you dating/mating plan or imagining looking like?

    You seem enormously calmer about things related to that or really more in the here and now than you were a couple of weeks ago.

    It’s almost like your on a lunar cycle or something.

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  331. on May 1, 2009 at 11:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””Bhetti
    Gunny: That sort of thing can & does get ignored based on interpretation of other cues. The only strong one is ‘I have a boyfriend/fiance/husband/am in love with someone (who is big, beefy, strong and actually right there behind you)’. Men need to learn to say ‘no’, but if DA can do it…””””””””””””

    See Bhetti is looking for someone who can smash someones face. Interesting.

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  332. on May 1, 2009 at 11:59 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti

    i.e. do you know where the phrase “parental units” came from.

    (If not, I just thought I could share some of my deep cultural knowledge gained over low these 102 years with you.)

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  333. on May 1, 2009 at 11:59 pm contrarian

    dougjnn

    Yeah, public or semi public sex is almost obligatory to cement your solid alphadom in the mind of a girl you’re gonna be with for a bit.

    And people still claim that alpha and beta are more than just meaningless variables in a sentence.

    feministix.blogspot.com

    Just know that the reason sluts exist is because of 1) the alphas and 2) the betas that want to be alphas.

    You can’t have it all ways at once. It’s a logical impossibility. If you honestly try and get more effective game, the fact is, it’s going to be more effective game which means women will be more effectively gamed, which means there will be fewer women who are not sluts. Apparently now that sluts abound, men have to pick a more difficult target and compete for hot non slut women.

    This is almost correct. Sluts can’t exist if there are no men to enable them, and PUAs can’t exist if there are no women to enable them. It’s a symbiotic relationship.

    Mike

    What is the right answer?

    a. Even “angels” will basically do anything with an alpha enough guy who turns them on enough and is assertive and takes charge rather then ask

    or

    b. There is no such thing as an “angel”

    Still learnin.

    A is incorrect, B is a separate issue.

    PS I’ll second the notion that contrarian is a stupid fuck.

    Go ahead and explain what was supposedly stupid about what I said.

    Gunslingergregi

    They can be an angel. It is the way they move. It is after they have done unspeakable things they still have their dignity. They still have there movement. They still have a soul. They still have grace. They are still beautiful and remain unspoiled. They are woman. They do not become rough men from a rough life. They stay a woman.

    So basically sluts aren’t sluts at all as long as they just tell themselves they aren’t? Ok.

    –

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  334. on May 2, 2009 at 12:08 am Anonymous

    Kim

    When the comment section of Roissy’s posts turn into women-hating sessions it’s really disappointing. A lot of people are criticizing feminist-x for hating men, but it looks like a lot of people on here hate women.

    I also find some of the feminist bashing to be crude and reactionary – a sign of mind inflamation, which is a sign of immaturity.

    Just consider that no matter what the subject or which sex is speaking and in which venue, the signal to noise ratio is expected to be poor. What I prefer to do about that fact is learn which posters maintain quality, and focus my attention on them. Why bother paying attention to those who can’t prove value of content? Why argue with the retarts?

    Well presented anti-feminist views are helpful. Feminist bashing is puerile stinky poo.

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  335. on May 2, 2009 at 12:13 am cavemanchris

    Thank You Roissy! I’ve been trying to tell my friends for the longest that having sex with a hot chick and having sex with a fat warpig is not the same. They rationalize that pussy is pussy but I believe this is their way of coping with the fact that they can’t pull hot chicks. I could never sleep with a girl I’m not attracted to and be proud of it. Theres nothing like jamming your manhood into a young, innocent, attractive 18-20 something to make you feel like a man.

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  336. on May 2, 2009 at 12:19 am Willard Libby

    whiskey – As a practical matter White Women, Gays, Mexicans, Blacks, and SWPL Yuppies are openly allied in a struggle to push most White Men who are non-Alpha out of the cultural, economic, political, and academic spheres. Because power is a zero sum game and all loathe/hate Straight White Men who are non-alpha.

    You seem to have inverted reality.

    It’s the White beta male who is LESS of a threat to these groups and who is seen as MORE of an ally in their respective rivalries with dominant Alpha White men who are labeled by them as racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-Semitic etc.

    The Alpha White man is the hated threat. The Beta White man is the subservient, liberal, progressive ally against the White Alpha men.

    The beta White male might be an object of their contempt but he’s still their boy.

    And remember, the Beta White boy is smug and proud of himself. He has rationalized his inferiority as a twisted form of superiority over the Alpha men.

    It’s a basic Nietzschean transvaluation of values. The morality of the Beta inferiors (slaves) has become THE moral standard by which the Alpha superiors (masters) are condemned.

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  337. on May 2, 2009 at 12:41 am Bhetti

    doug: Sorry, occupied by barcharts. Actually, I don’t know where parental units came from.

    Plan’s looking like ‘see what happens; need to get more Arab/muslim friends’ at the moment. Reforming myself first.

    It wasn’t a lunar cycle. I get much more homicidal than that if it was. I’m never good at sustaining anger or conflict.

    Gunny: Am actively avoiding that, yes. Just the word ‘no.’ rather than my Pure Bitchery version. I’ve never lost so much respect as I have when I see a man letting someone control him, especially a woman who’s just using feminine wiles until she gets whatever she wants from him. A guy shouldn’t say yes to every woman who offers.

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  338. on May 2, 2009 at 1:01 am Tood

    Oh my god.

    Look at this.

    A ‘feminist’ is siding with that disease-laden faggot Perez Hilton in his attacks on Miss CA. The ‘feminist’ is making fun of Miss CA’s breast implants.

    Madness…………..

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  339. on May 2, 2009 at 1:17 am dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    “Parental Units” comes from a famous recurring and long running Saturday Night Live skit featuring the Coneheads beginning at the very end of the 70’s and going into the early 80s I think. (You understand that I only know about this from reruns because I’m really in my early 30’s and actually ideal for you, right?) This was an alien family with prominent pointy headed cones for heads (certainly not referencing “pointed headed intellectuals, right?) that were very smart and nerdy in an unemotional Spock sort of way. Their kid called his parents “the parental units”, which they took as a simple statement of fact. This recurred for years. Or a couple anyway.

    God I need to go to bed. And you REALLY do.

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  340. on May 2, 2009 at 1:25 am Tood

    Bhetti,

    We need you to start popping out kids so that we can bury leftism and SWPL/Perez Hilton faggotism in an avalanche of Islam. I have had enough of leftism/faggotism.

    Get cracking and start cranking them out. We need Islam to clash with these nuts (and brush aside Islamophobe TokyoAllahKissed while we’re at it).

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  341. on May 2, 2009 at 1:30 am dougjnn

    Tood–

    So what are your dating / romantic ambitions?

    Post divorce right? No kids?

    BTW, that clip was outrageous. Good for Laura Ingrahm.

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  342. on May 2, 2009 at 1:35 am havana

    OK femx there is something u need to understand…

    Feminism did its job in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century by extending voting rights to women. Later in the 20th Century it did Ok with encouraging women to join the work force.

    BUT that’s IT!

    Everything else is just plain confusion and misinformation for both men and women.

    -Feminism tells men to kiss up to women, saying women like it and it will get them laid. Result: (best case) Guy ends up in the ‘friend zone’ (worst case) http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/february-and-march-2009-beta-of-the-month-winners/

    -Feminism tells women that men should kiss up them so she can be happy: Result (best case) she dumps her BF for a jerk (worst case) she goes around cheating because her husband is not ‘satisfying her’ and shit happens.

    ——————-

    now…. as for you getting married and having children. My suggestion: DON’T!

    Ur gonna marry some poor Joe after he bends over to meet your never ending list of ‘prerequisites’. You have 1 (maybe 2) kids. Then when kid/s are 3y.o and don’t need attention 100% of the time you will divorce him.
    –too much headache, too much drama, lots of shit came come of out that. Plus poor Joe get the worst end of the deal.

    I suggest you DONATE YOUR EGGS! They pay a lot more $$ for female eggs then they do for sperm, and they are much more likely to be used.

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  343. on May 2, 2009 at 1:35 am Tood

    “So what are your dating / romantic ambitions?”

    Game, Game, and more Game.

    Possibly marriage in the future, if the pre-nup + comparable income + Game conditions are met.

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  344. on May 2, 2009 at 1:36 am contrarian

    Tood, it has been explained to you over, over, over, over and over again why you are blatantly wrong. The Islam you dream about does not exist, and you are not some puppet master who can make the Muslims do his bidding. When Islamization occurs, you will be beaten into submission like all the other dhimmis and useful idiots.

    It is ironic that you accuse me of Islamophobia, since that is exactly what a leftist would do. Islamophobia does not actually exist, it’s a propaganda tool used by leftists and Muslims. Another ironic thing is that by championing Islam you are effectively joining forces with leftists, because they are doing exactly the same thing.

    .

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  345. on May 2, 2009 at 1:37 am Bhetti

    Tood: Haha, that entirely depends on how the children turn out like but thank you for the dodgily motivated reproductive cheerleading.

    Doug: Why do I need sleep Mr. Annoyingly Ideal 30 Year Old, it’s only 7:30 in the morning and I’ve still got to finish this damn thing. Good training for my career! Don’t even need coffee!

    Can totally handle kids + 24/7 Accident & Emergency, Rum, I’ll show you about non-competition females; that’s not a sedative I’m putting in their drinks.

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  346. on May 2, 2009 at 1:40 am Tood

    TokyoAllahKissed wrote :

    ” it has been explained to you over, over, over, over and over again why you are blatantly wrong. ”

    No, I am not wrong. You, being someone who says Game is not needed to maintain relationships, are equally ignorant on this topic. I reject your opinion as an uninformed one.

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  347. on May 2, 2009 at 1:45 am Bhetti

    Is it me or is contrarian particularly annoying today? Particularly reminded me of this tweet: http://twitter.com/jane_l/statuses/1662852884

    Nobody knows what an alpha or beta is, nerd or geek is, contrarian or vulgarian, the real difference between affect and effect, an idiot and a fool. All of us use the same vocabulary in commonality — there’s a common, social definition that’re implicit not explicit — regardless of differences in perception.

    But, yeah, you’re right. I and my fellow Islamic sisters and brothers in the medical world were totally behind the pork flu in an Islamic villainous plot. You’re on to us, nevermind, it is too late. Greet your deaths, infidels, by the farmed sources of the dirty meat you love so much.

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  348. on May 2, 2009 at 1:47 am Anonymous

    “”””””Contrarian,
    So basically sluts aren’t sluts at all as long as they just tell themselves they aren’t? Ok.””””””””

    Being a slut for you is just them being a woman. It is when they are your slut but try to tell themselves they are men that they have a problem with it. Men cannot be sluts.

    I sleep 4 hours a day. And ibm sucks donkey balls. They need to come up with computer shit that works. Why is it I can play a video game and it just works. I run a business application and it is a piece of shit.

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  349. on May 2, 2009 at 1:51 am Gunslingergregi

    was me

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  350. on May 2, 2009 at 1:54 am contrarian

    Anonymous

    Being a slut for you is just them being a woman. It is when they are your slut but try to tell themselves they are men that they have a problem with it. Men cannot be sluts.

    Men cannot be sluts in a semantic sense, but in practical terms there is no difference between a woman sleeping around a man sleeping around.

    WordPress, or the WordPress that this blog uses, is diarrhea from a buffalo’s anus. It accepts my posts, but will not actually put them up on the site. So I just have to keep trying and trying and trying until WP decides to do something.

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  351. on May 2, 2009 at 1:54 am Gunslingergregi

    Can someone please turn everything business related into a video game so that we can use spacial reasoning in the performance of duties and reduce the workforce by about 75 percent to 90 percent. Put ibm and microsoft out of fucking business because they are fucking worthless. All that has happened since windows 98 is that the computers got faster and they where made to move slower.

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  352. on May 2, 2009 at 1:55 am contrarian

    Anonymous

    Being a slut for you is just them being a woman. It is when they are your slut but try to tell themselves they are men that they have a problem with it. Men cannot be sluts.

    Men cannot be sluts in a semantic sense, but in practical terms there is no difference between a woman sleeping around and a man sleeping around.

    WordPress, or the WordPress that this blog uses, is diarrhea from a buffalo’s anus. It accepts my posts, but will not actually put them up on the site. So I just have to keep trying and trying and trying until WP decides to do something.

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  353. on May 2, 2009 at 1:55 am Gunslingergregi

    Can we quit using this antique idea of the way to use computers.

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  354. on May 2, 2009 at 1:56 am jaakkeli

    gunny, so right. I’m still using Windows 98.

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  355. on May 2, 2009 at 1:58 am Gunslingergregi

    Computers are holding me the fuck back from actually being able to do shit.

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  356. on May 2, 2009 at 2:04 am Gunslingergregi

    Any video game programmers around that want to beat the shit out of a couple of conglomerates.

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  357. on May 2, 2009 at 2:05 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea Jaakkeli comps ain’t getting faster this shit is a cartoon now.

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  358. on May 2, 2009 at 2:06 am Gunslingergregi

    6 and a half hours for something that should be in real fucking time.

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  359. on May 2, 2009 at 2:08 am Gunslingergregi

    Just like war business is in the fucking stone age.

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  360. on May 2, 2009 at 2:08 am Gunslingergregi

    Its like people minds cannot fully comprehend the word prgress.

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  361. on May 2, 2009 at 2:11 am Gunslingergregi

    progress. Future.

    Their still talking about a high speed train. Shit we already can do. Where the fuck is the actual futuristic shit. Why the fuck are people still doing mundane tasks.

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  362. on May 2, 2009 at 2:12 am Gunslingergregi

    dam that was a rant I think I feel better.

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  363. on May 2, 2009 at 2:14 am Gunslingergregi

    Allright contrarian,

    What the fuck you got now bitch.

    You a comp guy right.

    You want to be a billionaire right

    Lets see what the fuck you can kick.

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  364. on May 2, 2009 at 2:16 am Gunslingergregi

    Business at the speed of light yea I think it can be done. I know how to fucking do it. I just need someone to program it.

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  365. on May 2, 2009 at 2:16 am Tood

    Bhetti wrote :

    “I and my fellow Islamic sisters and brothers in the medical world were totally behind the pork flu in an Islamic villainous plot. You’re on to us, nevermind, it is too late. Greet your deaths, infidels, by the farmed sources of the dirty meat you love so much.”

    Quit typing and start cranking out little jihadis so we can get rid of contrarian, Perez Hilton, and their ilk.

    Chop chop!!

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  366. on May 2, 2009 at 2:25 am contrarian

    Tood

    No, I am not wrong.

    The Islam you dream about does not exist. You cannot pick and choose some thing you like about Islam and then expect Muslims to follow only those things while discarding the rest. They’ll do whatever the fuck they want to, and if countries like Britain, France, Germany and Sweden are any indication, they have no interest in anything except third world religious totalitarianism. You’re trading one type of fascism (feminism) for another (Islam).

    You, being someone who says Game is not needed to maintain relationships, are equally ignorant on this topic. I reject your opinion as an uninformed one.

    Game has nothing to do with the subject of Islam, and it is a fact that game is not needed to maintain relationships.

    Bhetti

    Nobody knows what an alpha or beta is, nerd or geek is, contrarian or vulgarian, the real difference between affect and effect, an idiot and a fool. All of us use the same vocabulary in commonality — there’s a common, social definition that’re implicit not explicit — regardless of differences in perception.

    There’s no rhyme or reason to the way people use the terms alpha and beta. The only thing you can be sure about is that alpha vaguely refers to a superior person and that beta vaguely refers to an inferior person. But what consitutes superior or inferior is a matter of opinion.

    But, yeah, you’re right. I and my fellow Islamic sisters and brothers in the medical world were totally behind the pork flu in an Islamic villainous plot. You’re on to us, nevermind, it is too late. Greet your deaths, infidels, by the farmed sources of the dirty meat you love so much.

    At what point did I say that Muslims were behind the swine flu? At what point did I say anything about the swine flu?

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  367. on May 2, 2009 at 2:50 am jaakkeli

    At what point did I say that Muslims were behind the swine flu? At what point did I say anything about the swine flu?

    Ouch, Bhetti. Busted!

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  368. on May 2, 2009 at 4:55 am Obsidian

    Well, before I begin, on some completely unrelated ish: has anyone seen the movie “Taken” w/Liam Neeson? I finally peeped it last night and am watching it again. LOVED IT, and in fact, much better than “Quantum of Solace” which I’ve tried to watch *three times* already and it put me to sleep everytime. Go figure.

    *Anyway*, since I’m in a good mood, I thought I’d respond to a few things here.

    Doug: understood where you’re coming from wrt FemX, but here’s my thing-no matter how you slice it, girlfriend’s got issues, and O don’t get down w/headcases, life’s too short & it don’t pay enough. No dis to FemX, God bless her, do her thing, but the minute I hear the kind of rap coming outta her mouth or any female’s mouth, I’m out the door. The End. So, again, while I feel you on you and PA’s “drawing her out” from where I sit, Whiskey nailed it, and I said as much a day or so before that, she brings nothing good to the forum that guys *like* Virgin40 can actually use. Its like, what’s the point. But live and let live I guess.

    Whiskey: you da Man. Repetition is the Mother of Learning, don’t let anyone tell you different. Lots of powerful points in your reply to FemX.

    Dave Alex: LOL. Once again you know not of what you speak. I can shoot down every last single one of your theories, not with countervailing theories, but with my own life’s experiences and those immediately around me. I’m tellin you that IQ ain’t the be all/end all of life, and the proof of that is, go to any Mensa meeting-there you will find some of the laziest MFers you will ever find. Guys and gals who should blazing trails like I don’t know what, twiddling their thumbs. Then I can introduce you to guys who probably aren’t smart as you, yet get their own homes (hint), got their own Women (hint, hint) got siginificant cash in the bank (hint, hint, hint) and, they get mad respect because they’re in a position to help other Men get paid (do I really need to say it at this point?).

    I say determination and persistance, beats raw “IQ” any day of the week. Want another example?

    When I was your age, I already held a managerial post on my job, having worked my way up from grunt in just six months, and you know how I do, its all Blue Collar; I had my own place, a typical studio apartment bachelor pad that sat right accross from my old alma mater highschool (what a view of the gals!), and I was getting infinitely more pussy than you. Never went to college. Let’s ask the people here who was leading a more productive life, you, or me, at 25 or so, hmm?

    No “high IQ” required. Only hard work, sacrifice, sticking to it, and yea I’ll say it-BALLS, which is something one would seriously have to question whether you have.

    How about another example, one that you’re a bit familiar with…

    I told you before that my parents weren’t hardly “high IQ” if formal education means anything, and it does for you-my mom had a high school diploma and nursing school on her resume, my dad had o get his GED in the Marine Corps, then went to trade school on the GI Bill when he got out. She as 19, he was in his latter 30s when they got married. Proles, all day-and yet they raised five human beings up into being productive members of society-no lockups, no umpteen baby daddies, no highschool dropouts, and most of em married w/kids of their own-as of yet, no divorces either, and my two sisters and one brother have ben married about half as long as you’ve been alive.

    Where’s the “high IQ”, Dave? Hmm? Where is it? You tell me, because while you’re trying to figure that out, I can tell you that we all know people infinitely “smarter” who couldn’t take care of a boiled egg, let alone a kid, singular, let alone five. You might be one of them.

    Oh yea, and Rum’s 100% correct, *only a guy who aint getting laid at all* would even fix his mouth to say that jerking off is better than real live sex. That one took the cake.

    So, let’s try this again, Dave Alex: I have no problem at all w/how you wish to live your life. None at all. But please, spare me the bullshit rationalizations, baseless theories and emptyheaded notions, huh? Because, unlike the other guys here, you can’t fool me, my ass is as Black as yours, and you can’t tell me nothing either because I know what its like to be 25; you know nothing of what its like to be 30, or 40.

    Not only that but I know several guys who’ve resigned themselves to jerking off fo the rest of their life and they have private porn stashes that rival yours, and you will NEVER see them trying to get some kind of pity party online-they merely sitback in their cribs and do their thing, and nobody bothers em.

    Take the hint.

    The Obsidian

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  369. on May 2, 2009 at 5:16 am WHITE COUNTRIES BEING INVADED

    Nothing to see here…move along, move along; Whites are definitely not in danger of being swamped by non-Whites in their own countries…that’s just NONSENSE! – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf31q4TC790

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  370. on May 2, 2009 at 6:09 am Virgin@40

    Thanks once more Obsidian.

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  371. on May 2, 2009 at 6:15 am Virgin@40

    “Virgin@40 is sentenced to creepiness forever in my mind and that definitely tipped the edge there.”

    Yeah, true, creepy. Not that much but still. In the end, I’m still liking you…

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  372. on May 2, 2009 at 6:31 am Virgin@40

    FeministX from seeing your blog and your picture, you would get a 4. Sorry girl, I wouldn’t do you.
    I would have to be drunk and all you could get a way from me was to suck me down there. If that much.

    You have a good pair of fakes, though.

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  373. on May 2, 2009 at 7:09 am Virgin@40

    “There’re some things that’re very cross-cultural.”

    Lol Bhetti, I think the proper word is… mind you! “human”.

    It would be much easier if people (all, I’m not directing it to you Betthi) understood that we are all “humans” and that are things transversal to all “humans” but that, simultaneously, we are more than “humans” and are specific human beings in so many respects. Only this reasoning would kill:

    1) multiculturalism
    2) feminsm

    What a greater world we would be living in, don’t you all think?

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  374. on May 2, 2009 at 7:23 am Virgin@40

    Anon, what’s the difference if I fuck a married whore?
    She would fuck another guy if it’s not me so, I’ll have the fun.
    Simple as that.
    However, if Roissy is “playing” married women and destroying families (instead of the married women being the ones to destroy their own families) on purpose, then I will lose some of my respect for Roissy as well.

    Hm… who cares? I get violent when I see players/alphas like Roissy coming close to girls I’m with / are interested in. So, where’s the husband to protect his investment?

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  375. on May 2, 2009 at 7:56 am kim

    Eeek, sorry I’m not in a US time zone right now so eventually I went out..although rather late. Okay…

    Rum,
    Ah..power dynamics. Let’s see..well, I guess what you’re getting at is the higher power of the small minority of males versus the somewhat lower power of the majority of females and how that balances out? I guess it seems like if you’re able to become the alpha male of the pack (is pack the right word? I really don’t know much about lions..if it’s not, you get what I mean), then you in effect become the most powerful of that locality. However, if you don’t…then you’re most likely not going to have much power since most of the breeding would happen between the alpha lion, so the power that would come from breeding is most likely lost, and since that’s what animal life really comes down to in the end is reproduction, then the non-alpha males aka the majority would have less power than the 90% of female lions who are able to engage in reproduction and therefore fulfill the ultimate goal of their existence. Meaning that females collectively have more power than the male species.

    Whiskey,

    I know hatred of women is real…it comes from both men and women in many different forms. I don’t know if I would say that some of the stuff people say on here is “typical,” at least I’d hope not. That’s kind of bleak. I also don’t think that men need women and that’s the answer to all problems just like the answer to all the problems of women is simply “they need men.” I think it would be a real discredit to the human mind to say that.

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  376. on May 2, 2009 at 8:00 am Virgin@40

    Outrageous is the fact that California, the biggest U.S. state elects as miss a mere seven.
    Fuck, I bet the miss El Salvador is a nine or a ten. You’re really screwed.

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  377. on May 2, 2009 at 8:01 am Obsidian

    Virgin40,
    Your most welcome. One of the really dirty little secrets among us Menfolk is we don’t talk nearly enough about how to actually “be” a good lover. We talk about how to pick Women up, how to dress, what to say, how to act, where to taken the ladies out-but there’s a kind of cloud or black hole when it comes to the bedroom. To me, Solid Game is not just successfully getting the Target from the First Contact spot to your spot; its successfully seducing AND sexing her, cementing the start of an ongoing sexual relationship. I mean, ideally, don’t we all want that?

    To me, if you’re good w/”part A” of Game if you will-but not “part B”, you actually are wasting both her time and yours, because its VERY important to Women that you can finish what you start. In sexual terms, you’ve been priming her pump all through the seduction phase, and she’s wondering and hoping and praying hard that you can follow through-please trust me, lots and lots of Women are road weary of duds. So, if you really want to land quality ladies, be a Stud, not a dud.

    The tings I’ve shared w/you thus far will point you in the right direction. One other thing.

    Please drop the “turning up your nose” attitude wrt Women, this whole “10” stuff. Your comments to FemX were inappropriate, w/all due respect, for one reason and one reason alone-because a “4” like FemX, as you called her, can and often does outfuck most Dimes you see. And as you need lots of practice, you shouldn’t be so choosy. Grab up some solid 5s, 6s and 7s, and practice, practice, practice. Learn how to make a Women cum consistently. Learn how to eat pussy well. Learn how to withold your nut for at least a half hour of vigorous fucking, in the major two positions-missionary and doggie, these are most Women’s faves anyway, especially the latter.

    As you improve in your personal development which includes sexual, you will begin to naturally become more dominant and as a result you may begin to naturally attract more naturally submissive Women to you. This is the natural order of things. And this is why I suggested you read The Story of O. Not that you need to *do* what’s in the book, but to better understand female sexual psychology-remember that book was written by a Woman.

    My motto is that Monday thru Thursday is for work and all that comes with it-the weekends is for Fucking, especially for younger Men like yourself. Don’t worry about trying to lay a bunch of gals at first, better to have a good, steady fuck every weekend for now. Believe me, Women love good sex as much as we do, if you’re gettin better with her, she’ll want to see you again.

    Any questions or whatnot, by all means holla back.

    O

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  378. on May 2, 2009 at 8:33 am feministx.blogspot.com

    They’re real.

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  379. on May 2, 2009 at 8:45 am Default DOMmer

    Bhetti

    Default:
    So when are you going to make your own blog so you can talk about sexy DOMming and I can ’submit’ [comments, I think] to you?

    Hey babe, you can submit [comments, I think] to me any time. Indeed, as Roissy’s post shows, “submitting” in public can be more fun than doing it in the privacy of our own blog space.

    And, please, call me Def.

    I await your next submission [comments, I think].

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  380. on May 2, 2009 at 8:52 am Nicole

    Femx asks, “Does this turn any women on who are reading?”

    Probably the “hot” ones. This blog isn’t really written for women though, and especially not the ones who aren’t “hot”.

    “It’s just regular old pump and dump. I don’t know why you people find this exciting. Because a girl scout could see you?”

    Everybody involved got what they wanted, and they’re happy with it. Let them enjoy it. You don’t always have to understand why.

    I see it as a kind of window into a world I was never a part of. Regardless of how I actually looked or look objectively, I was always treated as if I was the most hideous thing on Earth. It’s fascinating to me to peer into the thoughts of the people I used to hate when I was younger.

    For him, the best feeling in the world sexually, is nailing a hot chick. It makes him feel like a man. For her, the best thing in the world sexually is getting nailed by a guy who recognizes her hotness. It’s like two ego vampires sucking each other.

    …which is probably why I prefer werewolves.

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  381. on May 2, 2009 at 8:53 am Default ID

    W.I.

    …Think Sigmund Freud’s explanation of the superego, ego and id…

    It’s like a closed house with a leaking gas stove and then you go light a cigar. Simply exquisite…

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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  382. on May 2, 2009 at 9:02 am Nicole

    Obsidian, “Upon reflection, I do think its important to note that, hotter babes lead to hotter sex, *provided said hotter babe isn’t a deadfuck*-”

    You only think that because you’re physically stronger than average, and not a tool.

    If you were a tool, it still wouldn’t really matter if you were physically stronger than average, you’d do like most of the big doofuses I know, marry a fainting twig, have gentle origami sex and Gay emo sons.

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  383. on May 2, 2009 at 9:15 am Obsidian

    Hi Nicole,
    LOL! So true, so true. As you probably have guessed by now, I couldn’t possibly care less as to what anyone thinks of what I find sexually attractive, it matters to one person and one person alone-ME. That’s it. And I go for what I want and like, and that definitely aint no twiggy types, I’d break em in half.

    Oh, by the way, just to followup on our recent “subspace” discussion…

    Me and Brown Sugah sat down and discussed it very carefully, slowly, cautiously. I gave her all the info on it, and stood back to let her decide. She was ready to go deeper w/our relationship, so we went forward.

    Starting w/an intense discipline session, we went from there into a very intense sex session; she burst into tears sobbing uncontrollably, her nether regions spasming like a hummingbird at the same time, hugging me for dear life. Very, very intense.

    She can’t wait for another taste of the lash.

    Thanks for the very keen insights.

    O

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  384. on May 2, 2009 at 9:22 am novaseeker

    Again not being a man you don’t get it and cannot get it. Lesbians don’t care about how many past or future or current partners their girlfriends have because there is no downside. For men, there is — raising someone else’s kid.

    Therefore, your advices is by definition worthless since you cannot create strategies to achieve the male end — exclusive sex with a woman. It’s that simple and that hard to accomplish.

    Indeed. As explained very well in Robin Baker’s classic book, “Sperm Wars”, women are evolved, sexually, to cuckold men — that is, to obtain DNA from one man, while having another man invest in the resulting child. It’s a key part of the programmed sexual strategy of the female geneset, likely as an evolved response to the development of pair bonding in the species (i.e., as a way for women to “get around” the limitations of pair bonding, in terms of getting access to other DNA).

    This is the very reason why men have been, for all of history, obsessed with controlling women sexually — women are prone to cuckold, and if they do so successfully, a man gets screwed genetically because his genes are not the ones that are passed on — he is investing in the offspring of another man, which is akin to genetic suicide. So women were controlled sexually (and yet they still cuckolded a lot … it’s just not that hard to do, and until DNA testing, impossible to uncover). Even today, with DNA testing, it’s easy to cuckold and force male parental investment because typically by the time a DNA test is done, the man in question will have formed a “de facto” parental relationship with the child, and the court will not permit him to sever that relationship — in other words, he will be forced by the state to commit genetic suicide.

    This is why I support mandatory DNA testing at birth — let men know who their children are, or at least give them the chance to avoid cuckolding. Alas, women are opposed to this and at least two countries have passed laws which require maternal consent prior to any paternity testing — something which vitiates entirely the purpose of the test. But women intuit the danger of DNA paternity testing as deeply impinging on their age-old, wired strategy of cuckolding, and so they viscerally dislike the idea.

    And the likely outcome of today’s promiscuous woman is zilch male investment. Pump and dump, spread your seed. That’s it. It’s already a shift-change in the Black and White British underclass.>/i>

    Yup. It’s a sneak preview of what’s in store for the rest of Western culture. Without a stable situation, men will not invest in kids.

    As a practical matter White Women, Gays, Mexicans, Blacks, and SWPL Yuppies are openly allied in a struggle to push most White Men who are non-Alpha out of the cultural, economic, political, and academic spheres. Because power is a zero sum game and all loathe/hate Straight White Men who are non-alpha. Women for example find Beta men both workplace competitors and the bearer of unwanted sexual attention.

    Indeed. This is essentially what Steve Moxon argues in his book: lower status males will always be despised (that’s the oldest prejudice in society), and if we turn the entire legal system against them, something will eventually snap. In the past, this issue was dealt with by sending most of these lower status men off to die in the nearly constant warfare that was going on. But in today’s setting, the current situation is not tenable long term. Something will snap eventually.

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  385. on May 2, 2009 at 9:57 am JAM

    Novaseeker:

    Do you have a link that summarises all the current details on paternity testing law? I heard that some Tennessee legislators introduced a bill to have mandatory paternity testing before signing the birth certificate, but I don’t know what became of it. Germany just outlawed it, ffs.

    The “good” news is that the test will always be there, just underground. A German could buy the kit, take the train to France and get the result. Once the tech improves, it will get to the point where it’s as easy as a pregnancy test, with no need for a lab.

    Of course, the laws still matter…. and if truth is unenforceable or deemed irrelevant… bad things may happen.

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  386. on May 2, 2009 at 10:16 am PA

    Some tips to massively lower your odds of being cuckolded or divorce-raped:

    – marry a girl who is just over your attractiveness threshold, but with the best personality possible.

    – don’t marry a slut, feminist, a woman with history of left wing activism, or one who had enthusiastically voted for a Democratic candidate. If possible, go for girls from conservative religious cultural backgrounds.

    – see if she has that calm, sweet disposition in her day-to-day personality; if she has that constant high-T, husky-voiced, ballsy Katy Perryish gleam in her eye, have fun with her, but don’t be that fool who marries her

    – marry someone you met when she was under 24

    – gain insight into her character through onserving her family dynamics; a good relationship with her mother + adoring respect for he alpha dad is a good sign

    – Never ever ever ever let up on game. Too many guys think they can hang up their Game once married, and “drop the charade by settling into a comfy betatude.”

    Wrong move. That’s the last thing she wants you to do. So don’t let her down.

    This isn’t an new concept; it is one of the oldest ones on the planet: you’re the head of the family and abdication is not an option. That’s part of the deal with being married. If you drop the ball, even the sweetest girl will find her whore-wings and lose her affaction and respect for you.

    Why all those suggestion? too many guys marry women who are unfit for marriage.

    All of this was common, instinctual knowledge for guys. It isn’t any more.

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  387. on May 2, 2009 at 10:19 am novaseeker

    I unfortunately have never been able to find a one-stop source or summary of current paternity laws — they are in flux, and in many places the law is murky.

    There does not currently appear to be a significant movement in the US to suppress paternity testing, but you never know. Certainly other countries have modified the laws on this.

    What Germany did was ban secret DNA testing. These secret tests were not admissible in German court to deny paternity, in any case. Under the new law, a paternity test can be carried out with mom’s consent (rare that would happen if she in fact strayed) or by order of the family court — but the family court can refuse to order a test if it determines that serious harm to the child could result (suicide risk, mental health problems) if paternity turned out to be negative. The law is very new, and I don’t think there’s a lot of track record yet as to how that exception is being interpreted by the family courts in Germany.

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  388. on May 2, 2009 at 10:19 am Obsidian

    Nova, JAM,
    The easy answer is that more and more Men will simply disappear-walk away. The handwriting is already on the wall as Whiskey mentioned. Sooner or later the Daddy test and Roe For Men will have to catch up w/reality. Until then, Men will simply…walk.

    Away.

    O

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  389. on May 2, 2009 at 10:20 am PA

    Why all those suggestion? too many guys marry women who are unfit for marriage. And too many guys ruin their marriage by complacently settling into betatude.

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  390. on May 2, 2009 at 10:23 am Comment_Whatever

    Willard Libby:

    It’s the White beta male who is LESS of a threat to these groups and who is seen as MORE of an ally in their respective rivalries with dominant Alpha White men who are labeled by them as racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-Semitic etc.

    The Alpha White man is the hated threat. The Beta White man is the subservient, liberal, progressive ally against the White Alpha men.

    Who do you think gave all these groups power to keep the beta’s in line? Who is wealthier and wealthier every year? If these groups are ‘at war’ with alphas, then they have lost every battle, because every year the rich are richer, and everyone else is poorer. Oh, and alpha’s are also getting more women while beta’s get less. The scoreboard kind of gives lie to your delusion.

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  391. on May 2, 2009 at 10:35 am gig

    marry someone you met when she was under 24

    you didn´t include that PA classic, that age difference should be between 8 and 12 years. Probably because you realized it is not feasible for most men?
    i.e., only alphas are able to score chicks 5+ younger

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  392. on May 2, 2009 at 10:39 am contrarian

    Virgin@40

    So, where’s the husband to protect his investment?

    There is no way a husband can or should monitor her wife’s activities 24/7.

    Outrageous is the fact that California, the biggest U.S. state elects as miss a mere seven.
    Fuck, I bet the miss El Salvador is a nine or a ten. You’re really screwed.

    Almost all beauty pageants look boring and generic.

    PA

    – Never ever ever ever let up on game. Too many guys think they can hang up their Game once married, and “drop the charade by settling into a comfy betatude.”

    Game isn’t necessary if you’re with a quality woman.

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  393. on May 2, 2009 at 10:45 am JAM

    O:

    > Until then, Men will simply…walk.

    That is increasingly difficult with modern communications, and the need to be plugged in. Use a credit card, and you are traceable. Pay your taxes, and you are traceable.

    Only if you *truly* drop out of modern society (become homeless, move to Congo) will you truly be untraceable.

    There will be blowback, it is well nigh inevitable.

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  394. on May 2, 2009 at 10:47 am gig

    the most depressing thing in this blog happens when ytou try to engage someone into a conversation, you post a comment, press the update button and discovers that only one comment was posted since then.

    and it was a contrarian comment. With lots of blockquotes. With the standard BS about female beauty and the lack of necessity of game. Contrarian, what do you think about Islam?

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  395. on May 2, 2009 at 10:53 am JAM

    Contrarian:

    > Game isn’t necessary if you’re with a quality woman.

    I don’t even know why I am arguing this point, but I will give you my example. My fiancee is a medical resident who has had only 2 boyfriends in her past. She’s sweet, accomplished (in many of those things that Victorians valued) and makes *my* resume (impressive though it is) look like pale imitation. Her family is intact. All her friends and relatives love her. She will make an excellent mother. All of the things on my list.

    And I gamed her from the beginning. I worked the room at a party of high status types where she was present. I negged, I set up jealously plotlines, I peacocked.

    And I’ll keep gaming her. Why? Because she loves it when I do it, and I love making her feel all giggly and feminine. Lord knows her job is the opposite of that.

    You want to know what *just* happened? A deliveryman just came to my door and delivered some flowers and fruit to me. From her. Why? Because “I love you”.

    That, contrarian, is game in action. Love the women who want to love you. Game them.

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  396. on May 2, 2009 at 10:57 am Bhetti

    jaakeli: He’s convinced All Islam/Muslims Is/Are The Same, there is no such thing as Islamaphobia (what’s Islamaphobia, nobody knows! Maybe we need a definition on that). Islam is The Core of Evil and no muslim will or has done anything productive or valuable for the sake of humankind. It’s Us and Them: they are all the Same and LYING if they profess to say differently [evidence: look at this point in scripture, there is only one interpretation and it is: EVIL]. Or something like that, it’s all pedantic, but that’s the gist of it.

    The swine flu reference is then a fine point of silliness to make, because even if it’s not true, the thinking behind it is true. It’s not out of character for the Islam he sees. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were chain e-mails circulating by Some Idiots with ‘HA! look at the problem the infidels have created with their pigs! We’re just so righteous’.

    Still, I suppose he has focused on his perception of the religion itself and hasn’t yet went for the ‘Third world Islamic brownness’ personal attack, which I’ve only seen happen online recently. Shocking as hell in some ways and amazing to think what life would be like if that’s how quickly people are judged and dismissed in a non-meritocratic basis.

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  397. on May 2, 2009 at 10:58 am jaakkeli

    gig, are you nuts? Don’t start that again. The Islam threads with TokyoJesus and Tood make the race threads look fresh and exciting in comparison.

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  398. on May 2, 2009 at 11:00 am Bhetti

    JAM: I thank God he doesn’t understand social dynamics, because he has such low tolerance, merciless judgement and strict standards.

    You guys are better than me. I’m not the type of person to give tools to people on getting things they don’t deserve and most likely will abuse.

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  399. on May 2, 2009 at 11:02 am PA

    — you didn´t include that PA classic, that age difference should be between 8 and 12 years.

    This age difference is optimal, but I was telling guys what age to aim for, not what age to be. But yes, for family formation, that’s the best age difference.

    For older couples whose goal is primarily calm companionship, age differences or the woman’s youth aren’t as crucial. Though basic principles of game still apply.

    — Probably because you realized it is not feasible for most men? i.e., only alphas are able to score chicks 5+ younger

    Two things to say about that:

    1) any man can become an alpha, or at least significantly raise his status, through an honest look at himself and a commitment to self-improvement.

    2) Only alphas can score chicks 5+ younger if those chicks are high-status, club-going, “mean girls” brittle-blonde hot alpha females with a huge entitlement issues. But many pretty, hidden-gem quality girls can be found outside of the mainstream culture.

    — Game isn’t necessary if you’re with a quality woman.

    Game is simply a synonym for being a man who is committed to keeping his woman satisfied and being responsible for his family, not a boy who is searching for a warm mother-womb in which to lay down in sweet comfort.

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  400. on May 2, 2009 at 11:04 am gig

    Contrarian has only three comments, that he uses randomly:
    – he says that female beauty is 100% subjective
    – game is ineffective against quality girls
    – bomb islam, bomb iran, bomb somalia, bomb bomb bomb

    once he has delighted us with his fine reasoning on why muslims should be bombed, he will have spent allhis three argumnents and disappear from this blog mfor today

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  401. on May 2, 2009 at 11:09 am PA

    I wish Contrarian would go back to calling himself OsakaAllahKnee; the name had its surreal charm.

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  402. on May 2, 2009 at 11:09 am contrarian

    gig

    and it was a contrarian comment. With lots of blockquotes. With the standard BS about female beauty and the lack of necessity of game. Contrarian, what do you think about Islam?

    I do not bring up Islam, other people do.

    JAM, your fiancee doesn’t sound like a quality woman to me.

    Bhetti

    He’s convinced All Islam/Muslims Is/Are The Same

    For all intents and purposes, they are. Moderates are a drop in the ocean and I’ve personally never even met one. The Muslims immigrating to Europe laugh at the idea of peaceful co-existence.

    there is no such thing as Islamaphobia (what’s Islamaphobia, nobody knows! Maybe we need a definition on that).

    Islamophobia is exactly what it sounds like: an irrational fear of Islam and Muslims. It’s also an imaginary construct, and I have yet to meet or hear of anyone who has an irrational fear of Islam and Muslims.

    It’s Us and Them

    Because that’s how Islam functions. The world is divided into believers and unbelievers. The house of Islam and the house of war.

    The swine flu reference is then a fine point of silliness to make, because even if it’s not true, the thinking behind it is true. It’s not out of character for the Islam he sees. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were chain e-mails circulating by Some Idiots with ‘HA! look at the problem the infidels have created with their pigs! We’re just so righteous’.
    What? Again, I have not said that swine flu has any connection whatsoever with Muslims.

    Still, I suppose he has focused on his perception of the religion itself and hasn’t yet went for the ‘Third world Islamic brownness’ personal attack, which I’ve only seen happen online recently. Shocking as hell in some ways and amazing to think what life would be like if that’s how quickly people are judged and dismissed in a non-meritocratic basis.

    I have never made this a race issue. You’re the one who is bringing up race.

    gig

    – he says that female beauty is 100% subjective

    And I will continue to do so for as long as people keep claiming that it’s objective.

    – game is ineffective against quality girls

    It is.

    – bomb islam, bomb iran, bomb somalia, bomb bomb bomb

    I do not recall saying anything like this.

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  403. on May 2, 2009 at 11:10 am gig

    But many pretty, […]can be found outside of the mainstream culture

    I disagree with the ” many “

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  404. on May 2, 2009 at 11:10 am Obsidian

    JAM,
    If you accept the idea that Black America is the canary in the mine for the rest of America, simply walking away isn’t as hard as one thinks at all. As sad as it may appear to be, lots and lots of Black Men walk away from their real or putative kids all the time, and child support, alimony and whatever else be damned. Of course, the assumption is that these guys are simple deadbeats…but, knowing what we know about Game and Female evolution, maybe all those guys weren’t so wrong afterall, hmm? Afterall, we do know that “baby daddy” syndrome does indeed run high in at least some quarters of the Black community. It was only a matter of time before Black Men responded.

    So, it is not at all unusual to see Black Men go off the grid which is a lot easier to do than one would think, especially in economic downtimes. People ask less questions because they know getting customers is tough. Making money under the table, cheap pay as you go cellies and debit cards, you name it, easily doable. And you certainly don’t need me to tell you or any other high earning White guy how to shelter and move around your paper, now do I?

    No, the means are there, Black Men are proving it can be done. What their White brothers lack, is the Will.

    And your White Women know it.

    O

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  405. on May 2, 2009 at 11:11 am gig

    contrarian is a more authentic name, given his views

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  406. on May 2, 2009 at 11:17 am Rum

    Re; Paternity testing.

    It is a huge transformation. The cost will continue to fall. It is about the simplest kind of DNA comparison test to do and needs a tiny sample. The kind that we all leave on stuff every day.
    A proper evidence-worthy type test is more labor intensive but that hardly matters in the long run. Once a guy knows he WILL push things to that level.
    Besides, what does a woman gain by refusing to allow a paternity test? Lawyers might argue different sides of this but in the arena of gender/relations, trust and emotions the game is over at that point.

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  407. on May 2, 2009 at 11:24 am Hope

    Game isn’t necessary if you’re with a quality woman.

    True. The specific brand of “game” that this blog espouses is not necessary to keep a quality woman of the type that I suspect contrarian desires. In fact, it won’t even attract her. Obviously I cannot know this, but it is my conjecture at any rate.

    If I recall correctly his personality type is INTJ, which comprises only 2% of the population. My own personality subtype (INFJ) is about 1% of the population. People like him are the exception rather than the norm.

    To fall in love and become close to someone mentally, intellectually, physically, sexually, emotionally and spiritually creates a powerful bond — game simply will not even begin to touch that kind of connection.

    So, because he’s not looking for a mainstream woman, “game” will not work on the type of woman who is most likely to align with him. To contarian I would advise this: stop trying to justify your viewpoints to those who simply have a different disposition. Viva la difference.

    I would also advise you to work on yourself, to attain what has been called “inner game” — which is a funny way to phrase it. But what it really means is that you become comfortable with who you are, that you are self-assured, accept and love who you are, and know exactly what you want.

    You already know you don’t want the mainstream woman that many here on this blog adore, but you’re still trying to justify it to others. My two cents? Say fuck it to the mewling, sheepish crowds and mutually ego-stroking group think! Become a real man, establish a different set of rules, stop trying to change externalities, and direct your energy to what really matters.

    Gain real compassion, find what your skills, develop them, and instead of being resentful, shift your perspective and look at the world through a different set of priorities. Who cares if “they” think you’re a loser? You are your own rock of strength. When you gain true understanding and self-awareness, you will be walking a path of enlightenment. And you will look back on your old self and smile, because you will understand.

    Take your time contrarian. You’re not yet ready. You’ll find her when you are.

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  408. on May 2, 2009 at 11:29 am Bhetti

    Contrarian: Insult to JAM’s fiancee was uncalled for, though your definition of non-quality is other people’s definition of ‘normal, really’. You’re very judgemental and don’t deserve your definition of a quality female.

    Yes, you made no connection to swine flu. I was referencing the ‘well, that’s not out of character for them’ you’re attacking. Pay your fisking attention.

    Yes, you did not bring up “race” or personal attacks based on religion either. That’s what I was saying. Pay your fisking attention.

    You’re nothing like my tokyo, who actually read properly before he disagreed.

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  409. on May 2, 2009 at 11:32 am jaakkeli

    Bhetti: I’m not scared of Islamic swine, because in Finland we have New Prophet Seppo Lehto to protect us from that (whenever he’s not in prison)

    AnalFist: Islamophobia is exactly what it sounds like: an irrational fear of Islam and Muslims. It’s also an imaginary construct, and I have yet to meet or hear of anyone who has an irrational fear of Islam and Muslims.

    You don’t get out much, do you? The reason why we can’t do sensible immigration policy has a lot to do with people like the dude in my link: given the kind of paranoid “EVERY MUSLIM WANTS WAR!!!” nutcases that usually make noise on immigration, sane people will be driven to support immigration idiocies just to avoid the association.

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  410. on May 2, 2009 at 11:37 am JAM

    Contrarian:

    LOL, Hater 😉 I am curious about your definition of a “quality woman” though. Enlighten the rest of us.

    O:
    > And your White Women know it.

    “Your”? Why are you assuming that I’m white? Or American for that matter.

    BTW – I suppose you’re right about the possibility of living off the grid. But it’s less easy to do if you’ve become comfortable with a certain kind of respectability. Certainly a steady office job will be out of the question. Forget law, teaching, government, medicine, research, owning a small business, etc, etc. Debit cards are electronic evidence.

    All in all, it is possible… but it’s a huge sacrifice even for someone of modest means. Although, if the alternative is divorce rape, maybe you have a point.

    Hope:

    >If I recall correctly his personality type is INTJ

    *shrug* I’m INTJ. Hell, so is David DeAngelo. That’s just an excuse.

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  411. on May 2, 2009 at 11:38 am novaseeker

    It is a huge transformation. The cost will continue to fall. It is about the simplest kind of DNA comparison test to do and needs a tiny sample. The kind that we all leave on stuff every day.
    A proper evidence-worthy type test is more labor intensive but that hardly matters in the long run. Once a guy knows he WILL push things to that level.
    Besides, what does a woman gain by refusing to allow a paternity test? Lawyers might argue different sides of this but in the arena of gender/relations, trust and emotions the game is over at that point.

    Eh, they lose the ability to have their cake and eat it, too. They intuit this, hence why these tests make quite a few women queasy.

    Baker himself in the new intro to his book says “DNA paternity testing, in particular, is beginning to reduce the chances of a man being tricked into unknowingly raising another man’s child and hence impacting on the costs and benefits of infidelity. For the moment, though, this impact is still minimal.”

    I think it will remain minimal until the tests are mandatory/routine at birth. And I fully expect a big political fight about that with the women’s groups, as we have seen in other countries.

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  412. on May 2, 2009 at 11:38 am PA

    The reason why we can’t do sensible immigration policy

    A sensible immigration policy for ethno-states is to not have any immigration.

    And the reason why we can’t do sensible immigration policy is because your ruling elites want to do away with ethnostates as expediently as possible.

    I’m undecided on the Islam thing, but one thing is apparent to me: its supremacist strain is dominant because much of the West is decadent and our ruling classes are our declared enemies.

    Given these circumstances, anybody except possibly Jehova’s Witnesses is going to act out on their supremacist impulses when given such an open invitation.

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  413. on May 2, 2009 at 11:44 am jaakkeli

    Hope: If I recall correctly his personality type is INTJ, which comprises only 2% of the population. My own personality subtype (INFJ) is about 1% of the population. People like him are the exception rather than the norm.

    You know none of those personality types is the norm. We’re all exceptions!

    IMO J people and their plots are super scary, especially INTJ people. Game is clearly meant for INTJs.

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  414. on May 2, 2009 at 11:47 am PA

    You know none of those personality types is the norm.

    Right. If there are 16 combinations possible, then every type will be around 6% of the population, assuming that one or anopther type isn’t overwhelming among people.

    I took that test once in college and came up with (50/50 I & E) NFP.

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  415. on May 2, 2009 at 11:57 am Obsidian

    When you really think about it, both the Daddy test and RFM were the natural, logical extensions of the Pill and Abortion (for Women)-they are the inevitable technological and legal counterweights that had to come to balance the scales. In times gone by, under old British Common Law, *any* kids born during a marriage were automatically deemed the daddy’s, which made cuckoldry certainly possible. Whether it was likely remains some matter of debate.

    That Feminists and the wider female community woul actually be shocked that either development would actually come about is what I find surprising; either they really do have a problem in terms of not being able to think ahead, or, they really do think Men on a whole are gulliable enough not to notice. In any event, as these issues, primarily divorce/child support/paternity/reproductive choices-rights laws become more and more restrictive on Men, human nature kicks in and seeks a solution, if not an outlet. Its true that girls mature faster than boys, but when boys finally catch on, look out.

    It is becoming easier and easier for Men to simply walk away, and even our much vaunted Non Dater Dave Alex himself will visibly halt and balk when it comes time for HIM to actually reach into his pocket and writeout a check to one of the very same nondate ladyfriends of his who wouldn’t touch him if he was the last Man in the Milky Way, but had no problem dropping panties and touching her toes while Mr. Alpha Jerk knocked her up from behind, then exited stage left. When the tax base dries up and another round of welfare cuts is started, trust me, DA won’t be so inclined to writeout that check. Charity is always easier to do when you never actually have to do it.

    Feminism as has been defined in the last half century or so is unsustainable. Period. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and should be immediately clear to those who boast of a high IQ. It can’t work. It won’t work, only for a very highpost few Women, who don’t seem all that put out over using their lesser sisters as cannon fodder.

    There are many winners and losers in life. Its hard to see how Feminism actually produces winners.

    But I could be wrong.

    O

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  416. on May 2, 2009 at 11:58 am Hope

    Right. If there are 16 combinations possible, then every type will be around 6% of the population

    It does not fall into an even distribution of 6% for each type. See this chart:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Type_dynamics_and_development

    Obviously not everyone within a personality type will be exactly the same. People are unique, and these are broad strokes applied to individuals.

    JAM, if you did consciously “game” your girl, that’s likely what contrarian is reacting to. I do not know if she knows that you are into the “game” techniques, or what your real views are on this subject matter. I suspect that contrarian judges her harshly for “falling” to game. That is an issue in itself. Judgment will happen, but in my opinion should be tempered with acceptance and understanding. The girl to me sounds like an incredible woman who would make many men very happy, though surely she is a flawed human being.

    I will tell you a story of a guy who studied “game” in college (when it was not yet popularized in the mainstream) and became disgusted with it, and rejected it out of hand. He simply does not want to have to game a girl, even though he would be highly successful at it. He chose instead to be single indefinitely. Later he met a girl while he was not looking for one at all. He did not game her, nor does he game her now. He is simply himself, because the girl loves him for who he is, not his social masks. And he wants to marry her, because with her, he can be himself, and they can talk about anything.

    Communication is key; open, honest, heart-felt communication much more so. If game gets in the way of that, then it is not worth all the external validation that it can bring. Someone who consciously and conscientiously chooses his own path is content even if he “fails,” because he did not need to deceive himself or others.

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  417. on May 2, 2009 at 12:02 pm dougjnn

    Contrarian–

    JAM, your fiancee doesn’t sound like a quality woman to me.

    She sound wonderful to me.

    I’m trying to think of a single person on the board who cares what you think or say. I’m drawing a blank.

    I normally don’t even read you. I saw Bhetti’s comment about your insulting Jam’s fiance so I thought I’d take a look, since insults about her seemed SO far fetched to me.

    I can’t even figure out why you said that, not that I care. Oh wait, snap. It’s because she responded to JAM’s conscious game, among other things about him. (He has some status, maybe comparable to hers, obviously has lots of confidence, and makes more money at least at this point are some things he’s let slip.) Lord what an ideologue you are.

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  418. on May 2, 2009 at 12:06 pm PA

    open, honest, heart-felt communication much more so. If game gets in the way of that

    To everything (turn, turn, turn)
    There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
    And a time for every purpose, under heaven
    – The Byrds

    In relationships, there is time for heartfelt honest communication, and there is time for game-like approaches.

    There is time for raw-hearted emotion, a time for sweet tenderness, and a time for cranking up some devilish Game when she’s being a bad girl 🙂

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  419. on May 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm dougjnn

    Guys–

    If your marry put her consent to a paternity test in the prenup. Which, like the rest of what’s agreed in the prenup will be something that can’t be rescinded except by a writing signed by the two of you.

    Respond to her protests about your not trusting her with “trust but verify”. Then ask how she can possibly object. It’s painless, simple and should be just a formality that will any smidgen of doubt that could arise at a rocky moment down the road.

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  420. on May 2, 2009 at 12:15 pm Hope

    There is time for raw-hearted emotion, a time for sweet tenderness, and a time for cranking up some devilish Game when she’s being a bad girl

    Ah, semantics. I won’t argue with you there. But when a word has been dragged through muddied waters, it’s hard for some people accept it as coming out clean the other side. Those who dislike the very idea of “game” would view that as simply teasing, being cute and having fun, out of a fervent intelligent primate desire to play. Trust and openness tend to make the play more enjoyable, too.

    And I wrote “if.” If an acolyte of “game” cannot openly talk about his methodology with his girl, then there’s a layer of intimacy missing, which might open a chasm over time. If they can talk about the psychological and biological roots of human behavior (and with a medical school girl, she’s certainly smart enough to!) with realistic self-awareness and discipline, then they are on the same level. If neither knows of it or cares for it, then they are also on the same level. This is an important distinction in my opinion.

    I’m trying to think of a single person on the board who cares what you think or say. I’m drawing a blank.

    I care… about everyone. That will be my downfall, I’m sure of it.

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  421. on May 2, 2009 at 12:18 pm Rum

    Contrarian

    Only the purest form of troll would bash on another mans beloved in a forum such as this. There can be no other motive than attention seeking & mischief-making for such commentary.
    Whether you choose to go away or not, you are woth less than zero in these precincts.

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  422. on May 2, 2009 at 12:20 pm PA

    But when a word has been dragged through muddied waters, it’s hard for some people accept it as coming out clean the other side.

    I had a problem with this too when I started reading this blog. I learned my version of Game from Doc Love, who has a more LTR-oriented focus, not Mystery et al, who are more womanizing-oriented.

    But minor differences with Roissy / 16 Commandaments of Poon aside, I now look at Game as synonymous with masculinity, both certainly being subject to abuse.

    Good to have you commenting here again.

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  423. on May 2, 2009 at 12:20 pm tokyobetafist

    Please fist my ass.

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  424. on May 2, 2009 at 12:22 pm Obsidian

    Nova,
    I’m sure you’re familiar w/the Maury Show, aka Who my Baby Daddy Show. The Man has probably done more of those kind of shows than any other daytime tv talkshow host.

    What always confounded me, before I learned the truth about Women in this regard, was how, when the test proved the fingered guy was NOT THE FATHER, if he said something like “I don’t care, he/she still my baby and im gonna care for him” the audience would roar in applause. I sat there, scratching my head-clearly, by law, this Man doesn’t have to do jack for that baby-and the very nature of the situation that led to his being there on the show in the first place, constitutes fraud, perhaps wilful and deliberate. Therefore, I just didn’t see how the audience could be so gungho for a guy who was clearly played.

    Ahhh, but you see, I didn’t know about Cuckoldry, and how it became a part of female mating strategy in evolutionary terms…and just how deeply embedded it is in the female hindbrain, as the Maury audience shows. The audience, at least half female, an id say more, cheers so loudly because they all intuitive understand that the baby still gets resources-Pampers, milk, & MONEY TO THE MOM. And Women are hardwired to like that for the reasons you and others have already written about so well.

    So, there it is, right in my face all the time, and until I learned about Evolutionary Biology/Psychology as it applies to Women, I was in a fog.

    No more.

    My position is very simple:

    1. I support the right of any Woman to have sex w/whoever she wants-she just can’t do it on my dime. And I will fight like the Devil to prevent that from happening. That’s only fair.

    2. As Roissy has noted here in the forum, Shaming Works on Women, bigtime. If she is roundly shamed by her community for being a Ho and having umpteen babies by as many baby daddies, PLUS she gets no resources it WILL prove to work as a strong deterrent, modifying sexual behavior on their part. One of the other things that struck me on the Maury Show was that the Women were NEVER shamed for their clearly irresponsible behavior, even when it was proven via daddy test that the Man fingered was NOT THE FATHER. I attribute this to the Pedastal Theory, that Women are too delicate to deserve scorn and ridicule. By now it should be clear that I don’t think that way.

    The Daddy Test/Divestment of Funds, Public Shaming, Roe For Men, will radically shift the balance of social-sexual power back to the middle, changing behavior much like the AIDS crisis did in the 80s and 90s. Even moreso, since more often than not gay folks were impacted there.

    We’re not as far off from these measures as you think, gentlemen. In some ways, they’re already happening. Men are simply conducting a kind of quiet riot, especially in the White community. And it’s just now starting to catch a head of steam, because it has filtered down to the generation that matters, the 20 and 30 and even early 40 something cohort of Men who actually make things happen in any Society. It will spell the end of Feminism when it really gets in gear.

    All Men need do, is Nothing.

    The Obsidian

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  425. on May 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm dougjnn

    Hope —

    JAM, if you did consciously “game” your girl, that’s likely what contrarian is reacting to. I do not know if she knows that you are into the “game” techniques, or what your real views are on this subject matter. I suspect that contrarian judges her harshly for “falling” to game.

    Most of what game is about is establishing playful psychological dominance over a girl. Not total dominance by a long shot, but rather an edge in a playful dance (or that’s how most men work with game). Since our feminist culture teaches both men and women to avoid that for what it calls equality but is really a female edge to everything (since feminists ridicule or demonize all or almost all male power edge in interpersonal relations but never to female ones), game is a very important antidote for men to regain the edge that more genuinely masculine favoring or macho cultures automatically give men, teach men, and presume.

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  426. on May 2, 2009 at 12:33 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian

    One of the other things that struck me on the Maury Show was that the Women were NEVER shamed for their clearly irresponsible behavior, even when it was proven via daddy test that the Man fingered was NOT THE FATHER. I attribute this to the Pedastal Theory, that Women are too delicate to deserve scorn and ridicule

    No it’s not the pedestal theory at all. That’s derrived from chivalry. Although the kinds of women who deserved chivalry expanded greatly over the years from only the elusive highest class and beautiful princess or high lady, far above the knight’s station, to any lady a man wants to impress or wants to be seen acting in an attractive manner towards, it NEVER applied to common sluts or anything close.

    That is until late stage feminism. Where he show is coming from is pure feminist “go after the dead beat dads” impulse. Note the feminists are really looking for SOME man to help (or mostly) pay for any baby, and often want the highest earning or easiest to nab one to do so regardless of whether he’s the seeder or the one married to (or in advanced feminism even just living with her) the slut (er scratch that, the poor woman in need of assistance).

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  427. on May 2, 2009 at 12:35 pm PCBPiper

    Hey Obsidian and dougjnn,

    Just an update on that girl thing you guys gave some advice for. When I called her, she said she was busy all week (after saying her schedule was flexible). She suggested a day like a week and a half in the future. I told her “Yeah, I’ve got exams” and basically got off the phone then. Basically, Obsidian, I’m taking your initial advice and falling off the face of the earth. If she’s interested, she can call me. If not, there’s girls who are taking the initiative.

    Anyway, again, thanks for the input last week guys.

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  428. on May 2, 2009 at 12:39 pm PA

    Doug — the slut (er scratch that, the poor woman in need of assistance).

    Classic!

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  429. on May 2, 2009 at 12:51 pm Obsidian

    PCBPiper,
    Hey, no problem man. Yea, I don’t chase Women around, mainly for something an Oldhead once told me:

    A Woman usually knows is she wants a Man to fuck her within about 60 seconds. The trick then is for dude not to talk himself *out of the pussy*.

    The Women in the forum can confirm or deny what I just said…if they’re willing to be brutally honest.

    So, after I learned that very important nugget of truth, it became real clear, among other things, why it wasn’t necessary to go chasing Women around like you’re Rocky chasing chickens. She either digs you, or she don’t, the end, goodbye, so what, next? That’s the attitude I took to things and when I did, life got infinitely better.

    See, you gotta remember, for a lot of Women-espcially the 8s and above-this is a very important form of ego stroking for them-they get their needs met, w/o having to reciprocate, and O don’t get down like that. If you want to play with me, you MUST invest, in full, upfront, no refunds. Only then will I take you seriously.

    If you let em, Women can and will play you, Man, and hers the thing-it’s very important for you not to get bitter about this. Very often, they don’t even know they’re doing it, or they don’t know fully. And even if they did, it ain’t like we guys don’t got our ulterior motives either now. So, just consider it one of the rules of the road-if, after y’all meet, bust it up on the phone a bit, she too busy to have a meet w/you, drop her. Fast.

    Next!…

    O

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  430. on May 2, 2009 at 1:05 pm PCBPiper

    WOMEN WEAKEN LEGS!

    /loves Mickey

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  431. on May 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm PA

    First time a chick ever said “I love you” to me was in my teens. 1980s. We were parked in my car (ie, my dad’s car) under a tree, late in the evening on a warm April night.

    Earlier that evening I wanted us to see a late-showing movie on a Friday night, so she called her dad on the payphone, asking him to extend her curfew. Her dad was very strict, upper middle class type, but he liked me. So he said OK.

    After the movie, we parked in a dark cul-de-sac in her posh neighborhood. We were kissing and I was playing with her small boobies under her little polo shirt. And a massive feeling grabbed me in the heart, and I looked at her intensely. In the moonlight, filtrered through the willow tree, she was unearthly beauty, personified.

    Nothing like I ever seen before. Her huge eyes, her inexperience and desire confounded into one, betrayed by the intense, open stillnes of her face. As we paused in the makeout, we just looked at each other like nothing existed outside of ourselves in theat car.

    The gazes were so intense, it ached. And she said with trembling voice, “I love you.”

    I said it back to her, intoxicated with this amazing, unfamiliar feeling. And I noticed that this song was softly playing on the radio:

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  432. on May 2, 2009 at 1:31 pm contrarian

    Hope

    True. The specific brand of “game” that this blog espouses is not necessary to keep a quality woman of the type that I suspect contrarian desires. In fact, it won’t even attract her. Obviously I cannot know this, but it is my conjecture at any rate.

    This is correct.

    Take your time contrarian. You’re not yet ready. You’ll find her when you are.

    I won’t. I wonder if such women even exist.

    Bhetti

    Contrarian: Insult to JAM’s fiancee was uncalled for, though your definition of non-quality is other people’s definition of ‘normal, really’. You’re very judgemental and don’t deserve your definition of a quality female.

    I didn’t insult her, I just said that she doesn’t sound like a quality woman to me. I am wary of women who are swayed by game.

    There is barely a person on this planet who isn’t judgemental, and I am simply doing what men are, according to this blog, supposed to be doing: not putting up bullshit. Well, I guess the difference between me and everyone else is that I’m actually doing it instead of just talking about it.

    jaakkeli

    You don’t get out much, do you? The reason why we can’t do sensible immigration policy has a lot to do with people like the dude in my link: given the kind of paranoid “EVERY MUSLIM WANTS WAR!!!” nutcases that usually make noise on immigration, sane people will be driven to support immigration idiocies just to avoid the association.

    Right now the biggest “anti-immigration” voice seems to be Jussi Halla-Aho, and his views are perfectly reasonable. So reasonable, in fact, that his opponents cannot attack him in any legitimate way.

    JAM

    LOL, Hater 😉 I am curious about your definition of a “quality woman” though. Enlighten the rest of us.

    A quality woman is not interested in game. She wants something real and genuine. She’s not into bullshit, arbitrary nonsense and theatrics. She understands that manliness isn’t about negging, peacocking, AMOGing or other such dumb and superficial shit. She is calm and stable, and not looking for short-term dopamine rushes resulting from game manipulation. She also does not conduct shit tests.

    Rum

    Only the purest form of troll would bash on another mans beloved in a forum such as this.

    I didn’t bring her up, and I don’t see any difference between bashing a user’s beloved and bashing, say, some random feminist somewhere (which is something that people here do all the time). They are all strangers to me.

    Obsidian

    2. As Roissy has noted here in the forum, Shaming Works on Women, bigtime. If she is roundly shamed by her community for being a Ho and having umpteen babies by as many baby daddies, PLUS she gets no resources it WILL prove to work as a strong deterrent, modifying sexual behavior on their part.

    If you want to make this happen, the first step is to stop enabling hos. They can’t function if there is nobody willing to sleep with them. You can’t reap the benefits of slutty behavior while simultaneously condemning it.

    —

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  433. on May 2, 2009 at 1:39 pm jaakkeli

    Right now the biggest “anti-immigration” voice seems to be Jussi Halla-Aho, and his views are perfectly reasonable. So reasonable, in fact, that his opponents cannot attack him in any legitimate way.

    WTF?!?!? TOKYO IS FINNISH????

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  434. on May 2, 2009 at 1:43 pm JAM

    dougjnn, Rum, Hope, PA, et al:

    Thanks guys. BTW, dougjnn is right in his description of “playful psychological dominance” as the game that most men (myself included) practice. In a simpler time it was called “teasing” and also demonstrating that you are “a man”.

    Being a man means that not only are you a respected member of the community, that you can stand up for yourself (and defend the weak) in a fight (whether physical or otherwise), but also that everyone from little kids to old ladies like to hang out with you. It also means that you don’t let the ladies sway you from your mission and goals in life.

    BTW: I’ve informed my fiancee that I’ll be doing paternity tests on all our future children. It’s not something she necessarily likes… but I’ve let her know that she doesn’t “have to know”. Not that I’m expecting anything unexpected, but I (quite literally) gave her the “Trust, but verify” line in response.

    contrarian:

    You remind me of the guy described in this article by Dalrymple. I’m curious, how you’re going to react when conservative commentator Dalrymple, on my behalf, compares you to the ideological founder of al-Qaeda.

    http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_1_otbie-ideology.html

    Qutb was a strange man: he never married, for example, because (so he claimed) he found no woman of sufficient purity for him. You wouldn’t need to be Freud to find the explanation suspect, or to find his reaction to Greeley, Colorado, in 1950, where he spent time on a scholarship—he saw it as a hotbed of unrestrained vice—somewhat hysterical, a cover for something seething deeply and disturbingly inside him. Devotion to an ideology can provide an answer of sorts to personal problems, and since personal problems are common, it isn’t surprising that a number of people choose ideology as the solution.

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  435. on May 2, 2009 at 1:43 pm novaseeker

    The Daddy Test/Divestment of Funds, Public Shaming, Roe For Men, will radically shift the balance of social-sexual power back to the middle, changing behavior much like the AIDS crisis did in the 80s and 90s. Even moreso, since more often than not gay folks were impacted there.

    We’re not as far off from these measures as you think, gentlemen. In some ways, they’re already happening. Men are simply conducting a kind of quiet riot, especially in the White community. And it’s just now starting to catch a head of steam, because it has filtered down to the generation that matters, the 20 and 30 and even early 40 something cohort of Men who actually make things happen in any Society. It will spell the end of Feminism when it really gets in gear.

    Definitely I agree. It will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next decade or so. There’s certainly a kind of underground revolution going on in the male community right now, and it is spreading faster than I expected even not so long ago.

    Of course, there are still zany things happening under our family court system. Just earlier this week the Calgary Herald reported on a case where an ex-husband was forced to pay child support (in effect) to his ex-wife relating to kids she had by another man after the divorce! The court did this by increasing her “spousal support” to a level five times the Canadian federal guidelines suggest, on the basis that she had increased need due to these kids that were born after the divorce and fathered by another man! The good news about a case like that is that it is so off the wall that it draws MSM attention to the lunacy that is routinely taking place in family court these days, which in turn informs more men, and influences our behavior.

    Story is here: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Life/Courts+father+unfairness/1549075/story.html

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  436. on May 2, 2009 at 1:46 pm jaakkeli

    Obviously not everyone within a personality type will be exactly the same.

    Speak for yourself! All ENTPs are exactly the same.

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  437. on May 2, 2009 at 1:48 pm tokyobetafist

    I’m strong to the Finnish. Cuz I eats me spinach.

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  438. on May 2, 2009 at 1:59 pm gig

    WTF?!?!? TOKYO IS FINNISH????

    now we can add a finnish anime-addict-islamophobe to the diversity hall of fame of this blog
    white people can only be diverse if they have freakish sexual habits. TJF is officially diverse

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  439. on May 2, 2009 at 2:11 pm contrarian

    JAM

    BTW, dougjnn is right in his description of “playful psychological dominance” as the game that most men (myself included) practice. In a simpler time it was called “teasing” and also demonstrating that you are “a man”.

    How could teasing possibly demonstrate that you are a man?

    Being a man means that not only are you a respected member of the community […] but also that everyone from little kids to old ladies like to hang out with you.

    These are superficial attributes, they have nothing to do with being a man. A man does not care about approval or popularity. Case in point is Hugh Thompson, Jr. who intervened during the My Lai Massacre to protect civilians from American soldiers conducting the massacre. He ordered his men to open fire on the soldiers if necessary. Suffice to say that he didn’t give a shit about what anyone else thought, he was only interested in doing the right thing, even if it meant being hated by people (of course he was vindicated much later and hailed as a hero).

    You remind me of the guy described in this article by Dalrymple. I’m curious, how you’re going to react when conservative commentator Dalrymple, on my behalf, compares you to the ideological founder of al-Qaeda.

    This is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t even know how to respond because it’s just that retarded.

    gig

    now we can add a finnish anime-addict-islamophobe to the diversity hall of fame of this blog

    Islamophobia does not exist, and I do not recall discussing anime on this site, let alone stating that I am addicted to it.

    white people can only be diverse if they have freakish sexual habits. TJF is officially diverse

    What freakish sexual habits?

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  440. on May 2, 2009 at 2:20 pm JAM

    Contrarian:

    >> You remind me of the guy described in this article by Dalrymple. I’m curious, how you’re going to react when conservative commentator Dalrymple, on my behalf, compares you to the ideological founder of al-Qaeda.

    > This is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t even know how to respond because it’s just that retarded.

    Truth’s a bitch, ain’t it 😉 And I thought you wanted to let pretty lies perish?

    In any case, I’m tired of this meaningless conversation. I will hitherto ignore both you and your future handles.

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  441. on May 2, 2009 at 2:25 pm contrarian

    You are absolutely fucking retarded if you I think that I’m just like al-Qaeda’s founder because I want a nice girl who doesn’t respond to game. It mean that doesn’t even make any fucking sense.

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  442. on May 2, 2009 at 2:31 pm Default User

    Hope

    If I recall correctly his personality type is INTJ, which comprises only 2% of the population. My own personality subtype (INFJ) is about 1% of the population. People like him are the exception rather than the norm.

    Isn’t it cool to part of a very exclusive group? How do we know his personality type?

    Here is part of the type description for INTJ:

    …Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ’s Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

    This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship)… Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete’, paralleling that of many Fs — only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

    Well good luck with that. 🙂

    What we call “game” sounds like the perfect description of filling the gaps in that understanding of “social ritual.”

    Practicing “game” may have less effect on very logical women (xxTx) but a logical woman is probably the last thing a highly logical man (which I assume contrarian is) needs. He probably needs a nice caring NF like you (and I am not being sarcastic).

    That said, I still doubt that the playfulness, subtle dominance, etc. of game will be wasted even on very logical, or iNtuitive, women. Are you really trying to tell me you don’t get a kick from those things?

    To fall in love and become close to someone mentally, intellectually, physically, sexually, emotionally and spiritually creates a powerful bond — game simply will not even begin to touch that kind of connection.

    That quote is pure NF; I love it (again, no sarcasm).

    To fall in love I have to get her attention and hold her attention for long enough to be appreciated. How do you know that you have not lost a wonderful man because he did not spark that attraction enough for you to notice? A man with whom you could have created the kind of connection you mentioned above but when you met him just seemed “blaah” (what we would call lack of game).

    Game is not really about tricking the woman; it is about tricking the man. It is about tricking him into not doing the stupid kinds of things that hurt his chances. It is about keeping in mind the things that help keep a relationship fun and interesting, from the first meeting on. Game is not some detailed script that we run, it is a set of attitudes

    The perfect woman will not fall out of the sky into his (or my) lap. Indeed, we probably want even recognize her at first and she will not recognize us. To find and attract that “special one” means we need to able to attract many women. We need to be able to hold her attention while we discover that “powerful bond.”

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  443. on May 2, 2009 at 2:33 pm Rum

    I think it is a good idea for Contrarian to avoid any intimate relationships with women who like game and carefully limit himself to those who are unswayed by it.
    Genetic extinction is the right punishment for his mindset and if he follows his own ideas justice will be automatic.

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  444. on May 2, 2009 at 2:33 pm whiskey

    Dalrymple’s failure is to not realize that Qutb was well within Muslim traditions of power, i.e. defining your opponent as not a Muslim, and waging war on him, along with absolute power concentrated in the Caliph, a tradition begun by Mohammed himself.

    Dalrymple does not go far enough: like Lenin and Stalin hearkening back to the absolutism of the early Czars, Qutb hearkened back to that of Mohammed. All felt that only absolute power and some sort of religious force could provide social glue to a society foundering on competition, though each carefully avoided the most critical part: competition over women which is naturally explosive and divisive, there being a zero-sum game. Men unless constrained will always want absolute power to construct harems of women. [Qutb is not so unusual, Dalrymple fails to realize most all of Muslim culture is centered around constructing “defended” harems of women not available to other men, hence the Burqua and other stuff. Qutb objected to the free and open choice of women in their mates, instead of being sex slaves for guys like him. THAT was his big beef with the West and the fundamental difference between Muslims and the West, to a lesser extent Communism and Capitalism.]

    I honestly don’t see anything shifting the control back to Joe Average. The Nuclear Family is dead, technology and modern life killed it, it’s not coming back. Women will simply need to adjust as men do, to a life immeasurably more unstable, violent, dangerous, and nasty. Shrug. The world is what it is.

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  445. on May 2, 2009 at 2:49 pm Default User

    contrarian

    A quality woman is not interested in game. She wants something real and genuine. She’s not into bullshit, arbitrary nonsense and theatrics. She understands that manliness isn’t about negging, peacocking, AMOGing or other such dumb and superficial shit. She is calm and stable, and not looking for short-term dopamine rushes resulting from game manipulation. She also does not conduct shit tests.

    That’s a man baby.

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  446. on May 2, 2009 at 2:51 pm contrarian

    Default User

    To fall in love I have to get her attention and hold her attention for long enough to be appreciated. How do you know that you have not lost a wonderful man because he did not spark that attraction enough for you to notice? A man with whom you could have created the kind of connection you mentioned above but when you met him just seemed “blaah” (what we would call lack of game).

    If she isn’t interested in the real you, the relationship must necessarily be built artificially (assuming it can be built at all). That’s where game comes in, I guess.

    Game is not really about tricking the woman; it is about tricking the man. It is about tricking him into not doing the stupid kinds of things that hurt his chances. It is about keeping in mind the things that help keep a relationship fun and interesting, from the first meeting on. Game is not some detailed script that we run, it is a set of attitudes

    Game is, simply put, a lie. It’s the antithesis of everything that is real and sincere.

    Rum

    I think it is a good idea for Contrarian to avoid any intimate relationships with women who like game and carefully limit himself to those who are unswayed by it.
    Genetic extinction is the right punishment for his mindset and if he follows his own ideas justice will be automatic.

    Why do I deserve to be “punished” for avoiding women who respond to game?

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  447. on May 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm tokyobetafist

    Now, which of the same arguments that I’ve been posting over and over again for the past several months shall I post next?

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  448. on May 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm contrarian

    Default User

    To fall in love I have to get her attention and hold her attention for long enough to be appreciated. How do you know that you have not lost a wonderful man because he did not spark that attraction enough for you to notice? A man with whom you could have created the kind of connection you mentioned above but when you met him just seemed “blaah” (what we would call lack of game).

    If she isn’t interested in the real you, the relationship must necessarily be built artificially (assuming it can be built at all). That’s where game comes in, I guess.

    Game is not really about tricking the woman; it is about tricking the man. It is about tricking him into not doing the stupid kinds of things that hurt his chances. It is about keeping in mind the things that help keep a relationship fun and interesting, from the first meeting on. Game is not some detailed script that we run, it is a set of attitudes

    Game is, simply put, a lie. It’s the antithesis of everything that is real and sincere.

    Rum

    I think it is a good idea for Contrarian to avoid any intimate relationships with women who like game and carefully limit himself to those who are unswayed by it.
    Genetic extinction is the right punishment for his mindset and if he follows his own ideas justice will be automatic.

    Why do I deserve to be “punished” for avoiding women who respond to game?

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  449. on May 2, 2009 at 2:54 pm contrarian

    Default User

    To fall in love I have to get her attention and hold her attention for long enough to be appreciated. How do you know that you have not lost a wonderful man because he did not spark that attraction enough for you to notice? A man with whom you could have created the kind of connection you mentioned above but when you met him just seemed “blaah” (what we would call lack of game).

    If she isn’t interested in the real you, the relationship must necessarily be built artificially (assuming it can be built at all). That’s where game comes in, I guess.

    Game is not really about tricking the woman; it is about tricking the man. It is about tricking him into not doing the stupid kinds of things that hurt his chances. It is about keeping in mind the things that help keep a relationship fun and interesting, from the first meeting on. Game is not some detailed script that we run, it is a set of attitudes

    Game is, simply put, a lie. It’s the antithesis of everything that is real and sincere.

    Rum

    I think it is a good idea for Contrarian to avoid any intimate relationships with women who like game and carefully limit himself to those who are unswayed by it.
    Genetic extinction is the right punishment for his mindset and if he follows his own ideas justice will be automatic.

    Why do I deserve to be “punished” for avoiding women who respond to game?

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  450. on May 2, 2009 at 2:58 pm contrarian

    tokyobetafist

    Now, which of the same arguments that I’ve been posting over and over again for the past several months shall I post next?

    Because I’m the only person who ever repeats himself or talks about something he has already talked about in the past. Do you know what a double standard is?

    I just triple posted because xB Browser (which I am forced to use, thanks to roissy IP banning anyone who is critical of his views) is the shittiest software ever programmed by anyone. Making a single post may require multiple (and slow) browser restarts, at worst.

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  451. on May 2, 2009 at 2:59 pm contrarian

    tokyobetafist

    Now, which of the same arguments that I’ve been posting over and over again for the past several months shall I post next?

    Because I’m the only person who ever repeats himself or talks about something he has already talked about in the past. Do you know what a double standard is?

    I just triple posted because xB Browser (which I am forced to use, thanks to roissy IP banning anyone who is critical of his views) is the shittiest software ever programmed by anyone. Making a single post may require multiple (and slow) browser restarts, at worst.

    .

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  452. on May 2, 2009 at 3:00 pm contrarian

    tokyobetafist

    Now, which of the same arguments that I’ve been posting over and over again for the past several months shall I post next?

    Because I’m the only person who ever repeats himself or talks about something he has already talked about in the past. Do you know what a double standard is?

    I just triple posted because xB Browser (which I am forced to use, thanks to roissy IP banning anyone who is critical of his views) is the shittiest software ever programmed by anyone. Making a single post may require multiple (and slow) browser restarts, at worst.

    —

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  453. on May 2, 2009 at 3:01 pm tokyobetafist

    It’s okay. I love you.

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  454. on May 2, 2009 at 3:01 pm contrarian

    tokyobetafist

    Now, which of the same arguments that I’ve been posting over and over again for the past several months shall I post next?

    Because I’m the only person who ever repeats himself or talks about something he has already talked about in the past. Do you know what a double standard is?

    I just triple posted because xB Browser (which I am forced to use, thanks to roissy IP banning anyone who is critical of his views) is the shittiest software ever programmed by anyone. Making a single post may require multiple (and slow) browser restarts, at worst. When I submit a post I almost never get a confirmation that it went through, and it might take many minutes before WordPress puts it up on the site (assuming it does so at all).

    —

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  455. on May 2, 2009 at 3:02 pm contrarian

    tokyobetafist

    Now, which of the same arguments that I’ve been posting over and over again for the past several months shall I post next?

    Because I’m the only person who ever repeats himself or talks about something he has already talked about in the past. Do you know what a double standard is?

    I just triple posted because xB Browser (which I am forced to use, thanks to roissy IP banning anyone who is critical of his views) is the shittiest software ever programmed by anyone. Making a single post may require multiple (and slow) browser restarts, at worst. When I submit a post I almost never get a confirmation that it went through, and it might take many minutes before WordPress puts it up on the site (assuming it does so at all).

    —

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  456. on May 2, 2009 at 3:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””Default User,
    The perfect woman will not fall out of the sky into his (or my) lap. Indeed, we probably want even recognize her at first and she will not recognize us. To find and attract that “special one” means we need to able to attract many women. We need to be able to hold her attention while we discover that “powerful bond.””””””””””””””””””””

    Yea it might not be love at first site. It might never be love at all with a lot of woman. At least as far as from my point. I don’t fall in love with every woman I have been with (even longterm). I think that is a key to understand.

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  457. on May 2, 2009 at 3:12 pm Rum

    Contrarians thesis reminds me of the plea of fat chicks to be accepted for their inners selves. It is just a word-formula put together to confuse the issues. I mean, “acceptance” is a word that conjures up warm feelings but is in fact so vague as to be meaningless. I accept everybody as they are, more or less, but that is not the same as wanting anything sexual with them. And for women, the distinction between “liking” or feeling compatible, or warmly toward a guy and wanting to fuck him is quite extreme.
    Indeed, grasping this fact is an important first step in understanding game. Obdurately refusing to believe it is just another lame way to console oneself while watching other guys swim in pussy.

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  458. on May 2, 2009 at 3:14 pm Default User

    contrarian

    If she isn’t interested in the real you, the relationship must necessarily be built artificially (assuming it can be built at all). That’s where game comes in, I guess.

    She still has to be interested in the introverted nerdy intellectual you. But she will enjoy the introverted nerdy intellectual you that leads and sometimes teases. She will enjoy these things in the same way that you will find her more physically pleasing when her hair, clothes and make-up are just so. It is not that you don’t love her with rumpled hair or no make-up; it is just that the other way is more pleasing.

    We all respond to emotion, even manipulated emotion (think movies, and music). We all love thrills, even manufactured ones (think roller-coasters and horror movies). I do not see what is wrong with this.

    You sound like an intellectual and logical guy looking for an intellectual and logical woman. That is less likely to result in happiness than a more complementary mix of emotion and logic. It is that complementary nature that will help form an emotional bond.

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  459. on May 2, 2009 at 3:15 pm JAM

    Default User:

    > What we call “game” sounds like the perfect description of filling the gaps in that understanding of “social ritual.”

    *PRECISELY*. That’s why learning Game is so useful, and was so useful for me, an INTJ. Suddenly everything made *sense*. It wasn’t that women were illogical per se (although they ARE) but rather that they followed their OWN logic, built on their different axioms and postulates.

    Once I understood that, and then applied it, my success went from near zero to as much as I wanted. I now could do the non-Euclidean geometry.

    The weird part is, and I think dougjnn talked about this a month or so back, is that you can have every advantage in the world… but if you’re missing those crucial last pieces, the whole enterprise fails. It’s like building a hypersonic plane, but forgetting to install a door to get inside.

    I would suspect that INTJs are very over-represented amongst community-types, and amongst the learned-PUAs (as opposed to the naturals). In particular, they’re the one’s who could benefit the most if they accept that they are students who are there to learn, no matter if in “real life” they are high status men who are decamillionaire businessmen, doctors, lawyers or what have you.

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  460. on May 2, 2009 at 3:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””Jam,
    The weird part is, and I think dougjnn talked about this a month or so back, is that you can have every advantage in the world… but if you’re missing those crucial last pieces, the whole enterprise fails. It’s like building a hypersonic plane, but forgetting to install a door to get inside.”””””””””””””””””

    LOL

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  461. on May 2, 2009 at 3:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””””””Jam,
    *PRECISELY*. That’s why learning Game is so useful, and was so useful for me, an INTJ. Suddenly everything made *sense*. It wasn’t that women were illogical per se (although they ARE) but rather that they followed their OWN logic, built on their different axioms and postulates.””””””””””””

    Yea you look at life all around and pain and suffering and bullshit. Your like how the fuck does any of this make sense. If we people would just follow a couple logical progressions they could sidestep a lot of pain. Then you realize a lot of people want to be slaves and complaining is fun. I guess. Wierd is that anyone in the us would have to worry about food or healthcare or dental. I mean we are rich as fuck. Yet no one can logically make a system where whoever is the weak is taken care of and still find a way to let the strong build shit.

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  462. on May 2, 2009 at 3:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    I mean in indo I can feed a 100 people. How the fuck can you have anyone in the us living in pain. Crazy right. Pathetic.

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  463. on May 2, 2009 at 3:26 pm Thursday

    I just triple posted because xB Browser (which I am forced to use, thanks to roissy IP banning anyone who is critical of his views) is the shittiest software ever programmed by anyone.

    Only the most loserly of losers would go to all that trouble to show someone up on an internet forum.. Man alive, get a life.

    Most of the commenters here comment because they find it a congenial little community. We may disagree a fair bit, but mostly everyone gets along.

    Of course then there are the female commenters who . . . just . . . can’t . . . tear . . . themselves . . . away. They often say silly things, but hey thats just women for you. (A very few are quite perceptive.)

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  464. on May 2, 2009 at 3:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    How can I as one man with 4 hands provide for the basic needs of a shitload of people. Yet the government has to make a big deal with all of their resources to provide for the needs of a few hundred million.

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  465. on May 2, 2009 at 3:34 pm Willard Libby

    Comment_Whatever – Willard Libby:

    It’s the White beta male who is LESS of a threat to these groups and who is seen as MORE of an ally in their respective rivalries with dominant Alpha White men who are labeled by them as racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-Semitic etc.

    The Alpha White man is the hated threat. The Beta White man is the subservient, liberal, progressive ally against the White Alpha men.

    Who do you think gave all these groups (…White Women, Gays, Mexicans, Blacks, and SWPL Yuppies..) power to keep the beta’s in line?

    They weren’t given power. They are seeking power as a natural expression of being alive and human. They aren’t passive slobs waiting for Alpha Whitey to give them power in a zero-sum game with the White beta male.

    And White beta males don’t need to be “kept in line”. They were born for the role they are playing and they are proud of it.

    Who is wealthier and wealthier every year? If these groups are ‘at war’ with alphas, then they have lost every battle, because every year the rich are richer, and everyone else is poorer.

    The groups mentioned are not at war with your people – the White male bitter betas. You guys are losers. They don’t need to beat you, you’ve already lost.

    Plenty of White male betas are to be found as allies of the “White Women, Gays, Mexicans, Blacks, and SWPL Yuppies” in their war against the White Alpha men.

    Oh, and alpha’s are also getting more women while beta’s get less. The scoreboard kind of gives lie to your delusion.

    Look, I know all about the bitterness you White Beta males have toward your Alpha White man superiors. But you guys are like the old anti-communists who thought all the world’s revolutions were directed from Moscow. In fact Moscow was almost never in charge. It was always about local ethno-national groups and their leaders wanting power. And their opponents were other Alphas and their power having groups.

    While White bitter betas like you focus on your White alpha male enemy as the instigator of the War on the White male Beta, other White beta males have willingly joined with the “White Women, Gays, Mexicans, Blacks, and SWPL Yuppies” and their respective Wills to Power.

    These groups are made up of people who want to get whatever they can get.

    Alpha White men are not directing this war on the White Beta from their Mountain Lair like Dr. Evil.

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  466. on May 2, 2009 at 3:43 pm kim

    “A Woman usually knows is she wants a Man to fuck her within about 60 seconds. The trick then is for dude not to talk himself *out of the pussy*.

    The Women in the forum can confirm or deny what I just said…if they’re willing to be brutally honest. ”

    I’d say that’s probably true. It only takes 30 seconds or less to make a first impression…so maybe it’s less than 60 seconds. Although it isn’t anything permanent…like a guy can “talk himself out of the pussy,” there are guys (although probably very few) who can make that work the other way around…but like I said, it’s most likely rare and I haven’t experienced that happening, but I wouldn’t label it “impossible.”

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  467. on May 2, 2009 at 3:46 pm Default User

    JAM

    I would suspect that INTJs are very over-represented amongst community-types, and amongst the learned-PUA

    That has long been my contention.

    While I would add other introverted thinking types my guess is a huge portion are introverted intuitives (e.g., INTJ, INTP).

    This makes sense as introverts the social is harder work and as intuitives we are less aware of subtle environmental cues. Game theory appeals to intuitives because…well because it is theory.

    You only have to look at the discussions here to see that this place is likely over run with intuitives. I would guess that many of the women that post here regularly are also thinking types (INTx and ISTP).

    The best players, the naturals, are likely extroverted Sensing Perceivers (e.g., ESTP, and ESFP) followed by introverted Sensing Perceivers (ISTP, ISFP). Their problem is that if they have not figured it out on their own they will be less likely to learn. Score one for iNtuitive Thinking. 🙂

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  468. on May 2, 2009 at 3:47 pm Default User

    JAM

    PS I am an INxP, if you care.

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  469. on May 2, 2009 at 3:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Back when I had to talk to the psychologist. They had me take a test and I don’t remember was like close on a few types. The psych chick was like promise me you won’t kill yourself till we talk again or some shit. I’m like I don’t have to promise that. I want to die and I can’t kill myself. She didn’t have an answer for that. There is a limit to psychology.

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  470. on May 2, 2009 at 4:09 pm Tupac Chopra

    Rum:

    Contrarians thesis reminds me of the plea of fat chicks to be accepted for their inners selves. It is just a word-formula put together to confuse the issues. I mean, “acceptance” is a word that conjures up warm feelings but is in fact so vague as to be meaningless. I accept everybody as they are, more or less, but that is not the same as wanting anything sexual with them. And for women, the distinction between “liking” or feeling compatible, or warmly toward a guy and wanting to fuck him is quite extreme.
    Indeed, grasping this fact is an important first step in understanding game. Obdurately refusing to believe it is just another lame way to console oneself while watching other guys swim in pussy.

    Quoted for 100% truth.

    Re: “Contrarian” aka “TokyoJesusFisT, aka Latent Homosexual.

    Ban that motherfucker, Roissy.

    Annoying little fuck.

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  471. on May 2, 2009 at 4:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    If the anti christ was born and he knew he was the anti christ and he wanted to save the world from himself. He would not be able to do so under current societal norms. He would be forced to remain on the planet and fullfil his destiny.

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  472. on May 2, 2009 at 4:31 pm novaseeker

    ISTJ here — I dunno whether there are many of us represented here — it’s not a very common type either.

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  473. on May 2, 2009 at 4:32 pm joel

    About outdoor sex. Bad idea. Been there. Done it. Bad terrain, rough ground, bears, insects, and park rangers come to mind. We were lucky to avoid being eaten by a bear or arrested by a park ranger, even though it was after dark. My back hurt for weeks because I wasn’t used to going uphill, if you get my drift. A cheap motel is vastly superior.

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  474. on May 2, 2009 at 4:32 pm Bhetti

    Thursday: you can’t let me (or them) off on ‘thats just women for you’!

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  475. on May 2, 2009 at 4:33 pm Virgin@40

    White Countries Being Invaded,

    Do you think you just discovered a new thing?

    I think that video is great although I only saw one minutes because it shows exactly what it is.

    However, that’s the same in every fricking big or medium sized city in Western Europe. Try to come here to one of the “Stores of the Citizen”.

    All Citizens, almost no “Nationals”. It’s sad but it’s become the norm. It is like that always.
    Although I’d prefer for you to look for the Western European jails. But then, some people would call it a proof of racism… go figure.

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  476. on May 2, 2009 at 4:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    On contrar I don’t know he is just a human being now. I thought he might be able to come up with something being superlogic guy or something. He is just an average human being though.

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  477. on May 2, 2009 at 4:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    He has a talent for pissing people off. I mean what should piss him off is life is a game he is playing. It has a beginning and and end in between we are all bound by certain rules whether we like it or not.

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  478. on May 2, 2009 at 4:54 pm PA

    — Case in point is Hugh Thompson, Jr. who intervened during the My Lai Massacre to protect civilians from American soldiers conducting the massacre.

    Figures that of all possible examples of his idea of manhood, he’d dig up a traitor.

    — He ordered his men to open fire on the soldiers if necessary.

    A fratricidal traitor.

    — Suffice to say that he didn’t give a shit about what anyone else thought, he was only interested in doing the right thing

    Lt. Calley also believed he was doing the right thing.

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  479. on May 2, 2009 at 4:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””Joel,
    We were lucky to avoid being eaten by a bear””””””””

    This is where you really get to make her hot. You get the chance to be a hero and protect her from a bear but then you realise the moving bushes are just a deer.

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  480. on May 2, 2009 at 5:00 pm Hope

    Why do I deserve to be “punished” for avoiding women who respond to game?

    This is a “game” site. What you’re doing here reminds me of something I saw online when I was 15 years old. I frequented an IRC channel called #atheism, and many very sincere and devout Christians would keep coming into the channel to debate the atheists. The atheists from #atheism and #philosophy would also go into #Christians to “troll” them. Both sides were wholly convinced of their rightness, and neither was going to convince the other. It was an entertaining but powerful intellectual lesson to absorb.

    Game is, simply put, a lie. It’s the antithesis of everything that is real and sincere.

    The world contains many lies. To know and internalize this can be painful at first, but you need not let that plunge you into despair. In a way, it is good to realize all the negativity that permeates the world, to see the world for what it truly is. You cannot attempt to see the truth without first knowing falsehood, nor to see the light without knowing darkness (paraphrasing Dune).

    I wonder if such women even exist.

    She exists. Many such women exist, but they may not conform to your every ideal. No one is flawless, but love is perfect and accepts all our human flaws. The world is not black and white, but many shades of gray. There are many women who do not participate in the status game, who are content with themselves and their lives, who are calm and stable and do not conduct shit tests. But she may not be interested in you — not because you don’t have “game,” but because you are not yet complete unto yourself. I have the feeling that you are still young. Have you confronted death? Have you experienced a moment of true spiritual revelation? You still have time.

    To fall in love I have to get her attention and hold her attention for long enough to be appreciated. How do you know that you have not lost a wonderful man because he did not spark that attraction enough for you to notice?

    I do not know, and I cannot know. What happens in life is often random chance, and sometimes a connection simply happens that can only be described as “fateful.” Logic and numbers won’t explain it. You can search for a long time for love, and still a real connection eludes you. Or it can find you tomorrow. Yeah, so I’m a romantic.

    He probably needs a nice caring NF like you (and I am not being sarcastic).

    See what I’ve written above about not being interested? ^^ I much prefer the company of other caring, gentle and truly good people as opposed to hard-headed, bitter and argumentative ones. But I have known people to transform themselves through life experience. If he is young and has not first-hand experienced much or seen a lot of the world, then there is hope for him yet (pun intended). 😉 We are not set pieces but always evolving, ever mutable.

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  481. on May 2, 2009 at 5:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Fucking in car with police tapping on your window > fucking in cheap motel

    As far as lifetime memories goes he he he

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  482. on May 2, 2009 at 5:04 pm Default User

    novaseeker

    ISTJ here — I dunno whether there are many of us represented here — it’s not a very common type either.

    ISTJ is probably not that uncommon (in the general population) it is either 11.6% or 15.5% of males

    If you trust the last second link then you share temperament with:
    * George Washington – American President
    * Warren Buffet – investor, businessman
    * George H. W. Bush – American President
    And
    * Elizabeth II – Queen of England (arise sir Nova of Seeker)
    * Evander Holyfield – boxer

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  483. on May 2, 2009 at 5:17 pm PA

    Fucking in car with police tapping on your window > fucking in cheap motel // As far as lifetime memories goes he he he

    Heh, you’re damn right Gunner. Happened to me in high school with the girl I described at [May 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm]. Except I wasn’t fucking her; I was fingering her, and her blouse was open, bra off.

    The old cop knocked on the side window. Dirty perv probably stared at her tits for a while before making himself known.

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  484. on May 2, 2009 at 5:17 pm Virgin@40

    Obsidian,

    “One of the really dirty little secrets among us Menfolk is we don’t talk nearly enough about how to actually “be” a good lover.”

    I actually happen to think that the old rule was gold:
    Women stay virgin. Women have sex with only one men. Women can never complain.
    Like that joke: When a women tells you you are not offering her good sex, hit her because she has been having good sex to make a comparison.
    In truth, I am not 100% convinced of what I’m saying here but it ought to be considered.

    Although I must say that from my somewhat “close” (male) friends who have had sex, I’ve heard a lot: What the girls like, what they don’t… advices: “start slowly, and then, when you’re going to end, go rough… they always come”, etc. So I can complain. But most of this people have had sex only with one partner. No one has penetrated her in the ass yet. That’s how bad we’re all doing.

    What I lack is first hand female experiences. Female friends never talk about it. Wath the heck! I don’t even know if it’s normal for a girl here to masturbate or what not.

    “Please drop the “turning up your nose””

    I try O(h), I do try.

    “Your comments to FemX were inappropriate”

    You also do not lack prespicacity. That is beyond any discussion. Of course they were, it was meant to. It was Jack Ass time. I though she deaserved to hear that and that no one would be as rude. I agree with your position in relation to her, I just think it would be great if *everybody* agreed with you/us. Which was not the case.

    “Grab up some solid 5s, 6s and 7s, and practice, practice, practice.”

    My exquisitness and exigence in relation to women is droppong fast. Now I think 7s are very… well… to “game them” is a very exciting battle and the reward can be great indeed. What I need is more experience. Really.

    “My motto is that Monday thru Thursday is for work and all that comes with it-the weekends is for Fucking, especially for younger Men like yourself. Don’t worry about trying to lay a bunch of gals at first, better to have a good, steady fuck every weekend for now. Believe me, Women love good sex as much as we do, if you’re gettin better with her, she’ll want to see you again.”

    My motto now is: Live your week centred in yourself. Do what you must for your profit: End the disciplines you need to go to college; do not skip classes; hold on to the persons in your group of friends who matter to you (including the ten who’s kind of far); take a fucking driver’s license; Get out twice a month, at least once; *Be a better and Alphaer person*.

    Then it also means: Go out means, go for the girls: Especially in a Thursday (college girls) but don’t excpect much. The sad truth is that the only source of new girls to me is the ones who talk to me when I go out or the ones – like last friday – I can open.
    And yeah, my ten promised some models as well… but I keep waiting…

    Once more, thanks O. I don’t know why you do me such a service.

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  485. on May 2, 2009 at 5:19 pm novaseeker

    Heh that’s interesting, thanks for the info, DU.

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  486. on May 2, 2009 at 5:25 pm Rum

    IMHO, most work done so far on psychological typing has an enormous blind spot. What is missing is an understanding of the importance of the variability of peoples ability to exert fine control over their attention. There is a unimodal distribution curve for this quality. It is quite jejune to talk about people “with ADD” and people “without ADD”. There is only a continuum.
    I would argue that where a person falls along this continuum has a decisive influence on how they see the world and with whom they can see eye to eye.
    Moreover, it is the quality of having un-controlled attention that makes us human, that makes self awareness real. Artifical Intel people will eventually have to deal with this.

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  487. on May 2, 2009 at 5:27 pm lurker

    one time contrarian was getting railed by feministrix with her strap ion dildo. She was disgusted, he was happy, and they got married.

    And then they disappeared. Happy ending for all.

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  488. on May 2, 2009 at 5:36 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    Nicole,

    ”
    Probably the “hot” ones. This blog isn’t really written for women though, and especially not the ones who aren’t “hot”.”

    I bet plenty of hot women read this blog.

    Roissy can you slut up the erotica or something? You’ve got the charmingly chauvanistic 110% dominant masculine energy thing all over your blog and then you give us vanilla sex scenes. It’s a let down.

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  489. on May 2, 2009 at 5:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””PA,
    Heh, you’re damn right Gunner. Happened to me in high school with the girl I described at [May 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm]. Except I wasn’t fucking her; I was fingering her, and her blouse was open, bra off.

    The old cop knocked on the side window. Dirty perv probably stared at her tits for a while before making himself known.””””””””””””

    LOL I did get away with it a few times. Something cool about fucking in a car the mechanics of it are not that easy or comfortable.

    By the way did ya take the woman to the woods for a little picnic?

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  490. on May 2, 2009 at 5:42 pm Default User

    Hope

    I much prefer the company of other caring, gentle and truly good people as opposed to hard-headed, bitter and argumentative ones. But I have known people to transform themselves through life experience.

    And some of those people may practice “game.” For a man improving his success with women can be transforming. Not like confronting death maybe but transforming all the same.
    [I wonder if “approach anxiety” and fear of death or mortality are somehow related deep in the knots of our unconscious =now there is something for an NF to ponder]

    Remember as a man I cannot wait for that special woman. She will not approach me. She likely will not find me. She will probably not even be aware of me unless I intrude on her world. If I intrude upon her world then I better do so in a manner where I am likely to be welcomed (if even for a short stay). In other words, a man needs to care about his approach to women. You can call it whatever you want, the current term is “game” but it has been around a lot longer than the Strauss book.

    Some (somewhat) personal questions:
    I am not clear if you dislike game or just the ideological arguments that surround it. Or do you care either way?

    If you dislike game, is it because it seems manipulative or because it (to your mind) is the province of shallow men?

    Do you like enjoy interacting with men that are flirty, teasing, more dominant or do you really prefer the reserved, gentle (who may seem dull on first meeting) type of man? In other words, do you feel immune to game (at least as discussed here).

    You really do write like an NF (even your screen name is NFey). I can see why you might not always be appreciated (despite the fact that many of the men here are your logical counterpart NT). I hope, Hope, that you do not think we are all “hard-headed, bitter and argumentative” but I suspect you might.

    PS I posted a description and link for INFJs but it disappeared. I will try again.

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  491. on May 2, 2009 at 5:45 pm Bhetti

    Haha, feminist. Calling roissy out on vanilla, flipping hilarious, oh dear. I think you need to get your erotica fix elsewhere.

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  492. on May 2, 2009 at 5:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    Lurker my god man it is bad enough when kthul throws out that image but now you have given a new one. Like the time someone came up to me with a horse fucking this woman video on his phone. I never wanted to know that was possible.

    I give you a new image mua mua hahahaha

    sick bastard lol

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  493. on May 2, 2009 at 5:49 pm PA

    By the way did ya take the woman to the woods for a little picnic?

    Her?

    Summer lovin’ had me a blast
    Summer lovin’ happened so fast
    I met a girl crazy for me
    Met a boy cute as can be
    Tell me more, tell me more
    Did you get very far?

    Nah, not her. We were both just old enough to drive, she was a good-girl virgin form a rich home with a super-intimidating alpha dad. Fortunately, he liked me. Took me out on his boat on the Chesapeake and taught me to waterski.

    But she respected her dad, and sex with her was out of the question. (Fathers of teenage girls, I hope you’re taking notes!)

    But after the cop interference, I parked somewhere else — behind a dumpster in the back of a schoolbuilding. And brought things to a two-way happy ending then. There was no way the evening was gonna end any other way.

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  494. on May 2, 2009 at 5:52 pm Default User

    Bhetti

    I think you need to get your erotica fix elsewhere.

    I am sure they know all about DOMming. My work here is done.

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  495. on May 2, 2009 at 5:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    I meant yesterday lol Did you take your wife yesterday. Just trying to live vicariouly through more than my own past. He He He

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  496. on May 2, 2009 at 5:55 pm Virgin@40

    “If I recall correctly his personality type is INTJ, which comprises only 2% of the population. My own personality subtype (INFJ) is about 1% of the population.”

    WTF is this???

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  497. on May 2, 2009 at 5:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maybe feminist just needs a horse and she will be good.

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  498. on May 2, 2009 at 5:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    Can’t get much more alpha than a 2000 pound horse. lol

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  499. on May 2, 2009 at 5:56 pm PA

    No, but tonight I might be taking her to the hospital and see little PA for the first time.

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  500. on May 2, 2009 at 5:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    I guess she could go for a whale if the horse didn’t work out.

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  501. on May 2, 2009 at 6:00 pm finefantastic!

    off topic, but dealing with the outdoors, certainly:

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  502. on May 2, 2009 at 6:01 pm pike

    Off topic:

    See why the world needs game here.

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  503. on May 2, 2009 at 6:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    I am a little jealous. Congrats again. I get to see my adopted mini me in less than a month. Plenty of resources for my own mini me’s if they ever pop out. lol

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  504. on May 2, 2009 at 6:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    I can’t see the vid will look later.

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  505. on May 2, 2009 at 6:09 pm Rum

    Fem

    Outdoor sex has its special advantages & disadvantages. I do not know if you have ever been there but for those who do go there, a few things become obvious. First, without either of you really wanting to get on the ground, the options for connectivity narrow drastically. Rear entry with the help of a boulder would indeed seem about right to most people in that situation. Second, you do not need to strain to add kinkiness to the scene. Third, taking ones thorough going time about it never feels right. There are good reasons why jungle creatures do not seek out hours of stuporous bliss doing anything, even sex. There are too many hungry eyes in the jungle.
    Fetish fascination, feathers and lame little tickling devices do not translate into the idiom of outside sport fucking. They just don’t.

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  506. on May 2, 2009 at 6:20 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “I do not know if you have ever been there but for those who do go there, a few things become obvious.”

    I have done it but never sponteneously. We knew ahead of time we were going to do it. Ive also not experienced the idea of having sex without thinking about it ahead of time. It seems odd to me to suddenly be having sex with someone that you had not planned on.

    I’m not crazy about toys. Can do with or without. I would think a tickling thing was just silly.

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  507. on May 2, 2009 at 6:20 pm Bhetti

    I like what (I perceive, anyway) Hope’s said: both the points about looking for interactional purity and lack of deception when interacting. The bright side of life and people. I can understand not liking Game for the sake of not liking it; there’s an equivalent perspective where people dislike scientific breakdown e.g. a flower, thinking making sense of it destroys its beauty or the point of it being there, destroying its mystery. I can think making sense out of it only makes the beauty of it even more remarkable, giving appreciation for the fine detail of its parts and how well they work in nature, but that will be my own perspective. Is beauty less beautiful if its artificially constructed or if its natural? Statue of Liberty vs. Niagra Falls?

    I don’t view as science and logic being the same thing. Science is about what actually works, logic is about what should work. Science and Game have their parallels, or even more than that, it is a science: deconstructing and analysing the natural events, figuring out what works and what doesn’t and when, testing and peer-reviewed shared knowledge, applying it and enhancing it, using working definitions, constantly refining theory. One learns from what works, and not from inevitably flawed human attempts at logic.

    Science’s methods have attracted their haters, and so will Game with its even more questionable methods. It’s defeating nature by knowing her and taking control yourself, control you probably should not have without ethics or responsibility.

    Contrarian’s ‘there’re pretty much no quality women’ has been the most tragic thing I’ve heard. It’s also misogynistic/misanthropic.

    I don’t view the political issues, the prejudices, the opinions and generalisations demonstrated (conflictingly) within students of Game as part of it.

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  508. on May 2, 2009 at 6:25 pm Bhetti

    Feministx: If one’s in a relationship with someone you trust, isn’t it normal to spontaneously let the heat take over? Shouldn’t there be occasional unexpected hormone rushes?

    Your phrasing makes me think of the precision of a military campaign!

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  509. on May 2, 2009 at 6:25 pm whiskey

    Kim — It is that simple. Women without men accomplish very little and have kids that grow up to be disasters. Their sons grow up to be Beta losers, mostly, with a few who are manipulative ladies men, or every male tips into competing for women through violence and intimidation, with massive distrust.

    It’s the same side of the same coin.

    Feminists are delusionally stupid to think that a society can remain mostly high trust, non violent, wealthy, and improving, without everyone being deeply invested.

    Women in the workplace for the Twentieth Century allowed for greater productivity out of workforce that was otherwise not increasing (declining Western birthrates have been a feature of the West since the 1840’s). That participation did not come by magic or inevitability, nor did the right to vote and may other things.

    Consider WHO gave women the right to vote first: Wyoming Territory in 1869, and New Zealand. Wyoming elected the first female judges (1870’s) and the first female senators and governors. They refused admission into the Union unless their women retained the right to vote. Because women were scarce, valued, and men had direct investment in them as wives, daughters, etc.

    Your feminist utopia of absolute female sexual freedom is incompatible with anything but violent competition over women or men simply hoarding women as sexual property. That’s where it leads. Men who have no stake in you whatsoever will NOT defend you. Period. Much less your kids.

    But that’s the future, because now Men have no stake in you, mostly, and it’s unlikely to change. All the pretty lies and fairy tales won’t change anything. The life of a David A, just isn’t for most men. At best they will resent/hate you and victimize you whenever it’s convenient. Because they have ZILCH stake in society or you as a woman.

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  510. on May 2, 2009 at 6:28 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “If one’s in a relationship with someone you trust, isn’t it normal to spontaneously let the heat take over? Shouldn’t there be occasional unexpected hormone rushes?”

    Not outside. The only time that happened, we went to the park with the intention of having sex there.

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  511. on May 2, 2009 at 6:35 pm kim

    Whiskey,

    I just re-read what you wrote to me originally and then my response and I don’t really understand where your response came from. Sorry. I don’t know where I said anything about absolute female sexual freedom…I also don’t understand how my response prompted me being called a feminist. Explain, if you don’t mind?

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  512. on May 2, 2009 at 6:43 pm PA

    I am a little jealous. […] my own mini me’s if they ever pop out.

    Only irresponsible sex results in conception. Like when you’re drunk teenagers. You can’t do anything about not being a teenager any more, but you can get yourself and her drunk. Good luck dude!

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  513. on May 2, 2009 at 6:43 pm Ludwig

    Obsidian wrote on 5/2/09 @ 8:01am:

    “Please drop the “turning up your nose” attitude wrt Women, this whole “10″ stuff. Your comments to FemX were inappropriate, w/all due respect, for one reason and one reason alone-because a “4″ like FemX, as you called her, can and often does outfuck most Dimes you see. And as you need lots of practice, you shouldn’t be so choosy. Grab up some solid 5s, 6s and 7s, and practice, practice, practice. Learn how to make a Women cum consistently. Learn how to eat pussy well. Learn how to withold your nut for at least a half hour of vigorous fucking, in the major two positions-missionary and doggie, these are most Women’s faves anyway, especially the latter.”

    Hey O, I appreciate your contributions to this blog.

    I have a question about this particular piece of advice though…the idea that a young guy needs to get as much “experience” as he can.

    Condoms may be effective against HIV but they aren’t worth much at all in terms of protecting you from HPV and other “not so serious” STDs. They’re not going to kill you, but they’ll give you nasty symptoms (and let’s just say, these are the sort of symptoms your girl will notice when you’re naked).

    Not to put too crude a point on it, but let’s say Joe Inexperienced fools around for a few years, adds notches to his belt, and then after a few years meets a girl that he values more than a FB. And the time has come to bang her. But there’s just one problem…he’s got some warts on his business. What then?

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  514. on May 2, 2009 at 6:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””Fem,
    Not outside. The only time that happened, we went to the park with the intention of having sex there.”””””””””

    So for lesbians it’s like ok next week on thursday at 1300 we are on for sex. I can’t wait.

    lol

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  515. on May 2, 2009 at 6:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””on May 2, 2009 at 6:43 pm PA
    I am a little jealous. […] my own mini me’s if they ever pop out.

    Only irresponsible sex results in conception. Like when you’re drunk teenagers. You can’t do anything about not being a teenager any more, but you can get yourself and her drunk. Good luck dude!””””””””””””

    hahahaahh

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  516. on May 2, 2009 at 6:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    Actually gonna cook a cow this time and we may get drunk we shall see.

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  517. on May 2, 2009 at 6:50 pm PA

    Only sex I remember having in public was in the parking lot of a softball field on a military base. I was in the Army then, my early 20s. She was slightly younger, civilian.

    Summer, late afternoon, she was sitting on the hood of her car, I stood in front of her, and hugged her close, standing between her legs. Moved her shorts aside and slipped it in.

    It was hot. People were walking about not too far away, lots of noise from the softball game. If I were caught, I would have been in huge trouble with the UCMJ: non-missionary sex with a non-spouse, on government property + lewd act. That made it even more hot.

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  518. on May 2, 2009 at 6:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Middle of woods in germany had a helicopter hover overhead while I was having sex lol

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  519. on May 2, 2009 at 6:58 pm PA

    Ha! props Gunner, I never had a helicopter crew cheering me on!

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  520. on May 2, 2009 at 7:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I didn’t stop he he he

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  521. on May 2, 2009 at 7:01 pm PA

    But you can take a girl to a parade field on the base at night and tell her that there is a marching band playing to your banging her and the general in the stands is saluting you.

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  522. on May 2, 2009 at 7:02 pm JAM

    Bhetti:

    I like what (I perceive, anyway) Hope’s said: both the points about looking for interactional purity and lack of deception when interacting. The bright side of life and people. I can understand not liking Game for the sake of not liking it; there’s an equivalent perspective where people dislike scientific breakdown e.g. a flower, thinking making sense of it destroys its beauty or the point of it being there, destroying its mystery. I can think making sense out of it only makes the beauty of it even more remarkable, giving appreciation for the fine detail of its parts and how well they work in nature, but that will be my own perspective. Is beauty less beautiful if its artificially constructed or if its natural? Statue of Liberty vs. Niagra Falls?

    Here’s something for you, one of my favorite passages from Inherit the Wind. In the context of Game, just replace “Genesis” with “pretty lies”; likewise “Amens,” etc with “have confidence” and “be yourself”.

    Yes there is something holy to me! The power of the individual human mind. In a child’s power to master the multiplication table there is more sanctity than in all your shouted “Amens!,” “Holy, Holies!” and “Hosannahs!” An ideas is a greater monument than a cathedral. And the advance of man’s knowledge is more of a miracle than any sticks turned to snakes, or the parting of waters. But are we now to halt the march of progress because Mr. Brady frightens us with a fable? (to the jury) Gentlemen, progress has never been a bargain. You’ve got to pay for it. Sometimes I think there’s a man behind a counter who says, “All right, you can have a telephone; but you’ll have to give up rivacy, the charm of distance. Madam, you may vote; but at a price; you lose the right to retreat behind a powderpuff or a petticoat. Mister, you may conquer the air; but the birds will lose their wonder, and the clouds will smell of gasoline!” Darwin moved us forward to a hilltop, where we could look back and see the way from which we came. But for this view, this insight, this knowledge, we must abandon our faith in the pleasant poetry of Genesis.

    Incidentally, the feminists are essentially retreating behind a petticoat when it comes to responsibility. As Heinlein once said:

    “authority and responsibility must be equal – or else a balancing takes place as surely as current flows between points of unequal potential. To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster; to hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy.”

    –> and thus we get the legal underpinning of the current insanity.

    And a couple more gems from the grandmaster while I’m at it:

    – Morals — all correct moral laws — derive from the instinct to survive. Moral behavior is survival behavior above the individual level.

    – Correct morality can only be derived from what man is — not from what do-gooders and well-meaning aunt Nellies would like him to be.

    And thus society self-destructs from a lack of morality (as defined by Heinlein).

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  523. on May 2, 2009 at 7:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Same day I accidentaly bit off my girlfriends fake nail when she was trying to feed me. I always get my woman to feed me. Highly suggested to try.

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  524. on May 2, 2009 at 7:09 pm kowsik

    Another way of observing this point: http://www.lakes.cumbria.sch.uk/index/english%20department/cultures/readpoems.htm#vultures

    Thanks for the nice poem Bhetti.

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  525. on May 2, 2009 at 7:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Time for a new adventure I get to chop up a cow and try to figure out what the heck is what. Like where the heck is the filet minon.

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  526. on May 2, 2009 at 7:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Will not allow woman near the thing since she might just slice and dice it in under ten minutes. He He He

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  527. on May 2, 2009 at 7:21 pm Rum

    Gunny

    The Filet Mignon is a transverse slice of the psoas major muscle. Bhetti can fill you in on the details.

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  528. on May 2, 2009 at 7:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea it should be cool I wanted to get em last time but rhamadon we could not celerate outside. Now we can party like 1999.

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  529. on May 2, 2009 at 7:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    cool check wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psoas_major_muscle

    Now I know where to cut first.

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  530. on May 2, 2009 at 7:36 pm Bhetti

    Ludwig: Two words: get treatment!

    kowsik: Thank you for appreciating it. Unless there’s sarcasm there! It has a brillaint series of images. The last lines just hits a person.

    JAM: Thanks for the extracts which definitely resonate. Speaking of Heinlein, have been meaning to try him. Recommendations?

    Rum: You’re mistaking me for one of your US medical student lackies! Gunny, I suggest googling psoas major images. Bright side: 200g of nutella later and, as of one hour ago, my audit is done.

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  531. on May 2, 2009 at 7:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Now I have the drool

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-bone

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  532. on May 2, 2009 at 7:40 pm Bhetti

    US medical student lackies: they actually remember psoas without going ‘crap, I hate locomotor. Come on, I’ve done this. I’m thinking X-rays, spine and pelvis. It can’t be all that! *googles* Oh, right, yes it can’.

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  533. on May 2, 2009 at 7:46 pm PA

    Bhetti: My first major incollege was pre-med. I did well in classroom Chemistry and Organic Chem — and liked it a lot — but despised the lab portion, which infuriated and confounded me. Hated all the mixing and measuring. And the friggin observation and journal note-taking.

    My salutes to those who got through the beakers and bunsen burners and quantitative analysis with their sanity intact.

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  534. on May 2, 2009 at 7:55 pm David Alexander

    The life of a David A, just isn’t for most men.

    So how do we get more men to be like David Alexander in lieu of being mean and bitter? 🙂

    Re: Obsidian and IQ

    You may actually have “average IQ” by white norms. In other words, your parents were probably relatively smart people, and the same is true for your siblings and yourself. Combined with hard word and discipline and some luck, you as a group managed not to fail.

    marry a girl who is just over your attractiveness threshold, but with the best personality possible

    Doesn’t that suffer from the problem that there are hotter women that you could cheat on her with, especially if you have game?

    don’t marry a slut, feminist, a woman with history of left wing activism, or one who had enthusiastically voted for a Democratic candidate. If possible, go for girls from conservative religious cultural backgrounds.

    So, ugly women with no career and questionable intelligence…

    marry someone you met when she was under 24

    That implies marrying somebody who has little age cohort commonality. Doesn’t that hurt if one wants a companionship marriage since there are few shared experiences?

    gain insight into her character through onserving her family dynamics; a good relationship with her mother + adoring respect for he alpha dad is a good sign

    Per that standard, none of my female friends would qualify. In some cases, the girl hates mommy but loves daddy, hates dad and has a love-hate relationship with mom, or loves mom and is distant from dad.

    Too many guys think they can hang up their Game once married, and “drop the charade by settling into a comfy betatude.”

    It makes sense of course, but it’s why I’d argue that any man who wants to use game must realize that it’s a perpetual behaviour programme that must be maintained. If you’re not willing or you’re unable to maintain it for more than the duration of courtship, then don’t bother or recognize your limitations and only bang women in the short-term.

    you didn´t include that PA classic, that age difference should be between 8 and 12 years

    At my current age, that implies dating underage girls. If I wouldn’t pool from my brother’s female classmates and friends, why would I want teenagers?

    DA won’t be so inclined to writeout that check. Charity is always easier to do when you never actually have to do it.

    If non-date became pregnant right now, I would consider helping her out.

    I now look at Game as synonymous with masculinity, both certainly being subject to abuse.

    You can see that this is where I differ from everybody here. While I can admit that game works, I just don’t see it as the only means of being masculine.

    Nuclear Family is dead, technology and modern life killed it, it’s not coming back.

    Just for the fun factor alone, I’d love to see DNA tests done for baby boomers just to see if theres any dissonance between parents and children. Based on my hypothesis that women are inherently attracted to alpha males regardless of experience to one, there’s a part of me that feels that one will find some degree of cuckoldry, but it’s merely covered by secrets and compounded by poor knowledge of science in earlier eras. It’s rather easy to cover up an affair with a black guy as rape, and it’s rather easy to say that your baby that doesn’t look like dad may look like some other family member, and there’s no DNA testing to prove it. Plus, one must remember that non-middle class women of the pre-World War II era in urban locales did work and have access to male superiors.

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  535. on May 2, 2009 at 7:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””but despised the lab portion, which infuriated and confounded me. Hated all the mixing and measuring. And the friggin observation and journal note-taking. “””””””””

    What being able to crush pills and make your own topical cream is kind of cool.

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  536. on May 2, 2009 at 7:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    Mortar and pestal thats it. They use that to make the hot sauce in indo.

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  537. on May 2, 2009 at 7:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””on May 2, 2009 at 7:40 pm Bhetti
    US medical student lackies: they actually remember psoas without going ‘crap, I hate locomotor. Come on, I’ve done this. I’m thinking X-rays, spine and pelvis. It can’t be all that! *googles* Oh, right, yes it can’.””””””””””””””

    Yea but what am I gonna need to cut it out. That is the question.

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  538. on May 2, 2009 at 8:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maybe I will buy a chainsaw mua mua hahahahahah

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  539. on May 2, 2009 at 8:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    From looking at the t bone it looks like the vertabrae is sawed gonna be sloppy with a knife maybe. .

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  540. on May 2, 2009 at 8:05 pm Comment_MBTI

    Hope’s link to population distribution of types is Wikipedia, and the entry shows why Wikipedia shouldn’t be trusted.

    Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Type_dynamics_and_development

    It is true, I’m sure, that some people got the results displayed. This probably happened after they decided to change the MBTI questions from the Isabel Briggs Myers test to ‘their correct test’ and then statistically manipulated it to get results that ‘feel right to them’.

    This ‘better test’ with ‘better results’ has now spread to infect the rest of the internet.

    I choose to use the actual date from Gifts Differing, High School populations, Figures 4 through 8, containing a total sample of over 8500 people.

    Wikipedia brazenly declares that 13.8% of the population is ISFJ, and this lie has infected the internet.

    The highest ISFJ number I can find from her actual data is 12.7% for High School non-college prep Females. The lowest is from a Philadelphia all-male ‘elite’ High School, at 3.8%. It is extremely unlikely that the ‘general population’ has 13.8% ISFJ using Myers actual data.

    Here is Brigs actual data:





    Worth noting is that the matching Introvert type for an Extravert type is ALWAYS SMALLER across all categories. There are always more ESTP’s than ISTP. Always more ENFJ’s than INFJ’s. For males and female, college-prep and non-college prep, the Extravert type is more common than it’s paired Introvert Type.

    I knew Wiki was making stuff up when I saw that Introverts were MUCH more common than Extraverts for many types.

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  541. on May 2, 2009 at 8:06 pm Bhetti

    Got scalpels? T-bone/ribs seem to require a saw. I’m definitely not an expert with cutting for the purpose of future food intake; I never got around to watching any of the slaughters we had in our back yard.

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  542. on May 2, 2009 at 8:06 pm PA

    — Doesn’t that suffer from the problem that there are hotter women that you could cheat on her with, especially if you have game?

    I banged women of various degrees of hotness before I got married. Through accidental displays of alphatude in my beta 20s and with the aid of game in my very early 30s. I wasn’t ready to marry until I met a girl who made me feel amazing and “at home” being with her in any situation, not just during sex.

    — So, ugly women with no career and questionable intelligence…

    Now you’re just being dumb like Tokyo.

    — That implies marrying somebody who has little age cohort commonality. Doesn’t that hurt if one wants a companionship marriage since there are few shared experiences?

    Not so much, believe it or not. You’re both living in 2009 as of today, and are subject to the same cultural commonalities.

    — It makes sense of course, but it’s why I’d argue that any man who wants to use game must realize that it’s a perpetual behaviour programme that must be maintained.

    It becomes second nature. Not liek some new layer you imposed on your personality. More like somethign you freed inside yourself.

    — At my current age, that implies dating underage girls.

    No, at your age you’re supposed to be banging whatever you can get 18-25, plus an occasional cougar if that’s your scene. When you turn 30, start meeting eligible 22-year-olds.

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  543. on May 2, 2009 at 8:07 pm PA

    What being able to crush pills and make your own topical cream is kind of cool.

    I should have gotten you or G Manifesto to do my lab assignments, being that you guys might have skill with, um, chemicals, than I do.

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  544. on May 2, 2009 at 8:07 pm Bhetti

    PA: sanity relatively intact! I liked some portion of labs, like getting better at titrations. Felt Good At Something.

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  545. on May 2, 2009 at 8:16 pm PA

    “titrations” — ah, those evil little up & down arrows in my old lab journal, pencil marks smeared by teardrop stains.

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  546. on May 2, 2009 at 8:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    Never got into hard stuff which definetly saved me from a long time in jail. Unlike a lot of people I knew.

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  547. on May 2, 2009 at 8:21 pm PA

    The arrows – actually I think that’s “percipitation.” Or molality. Avogadro’s number. Please make the voices stop.

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  548. on May 2, 2009 at 8:29 pm novaseeker

    Just for the fun factor alone, I’d love to see DNA tests done for baby boomers just to see if theres any dissonance between parents and children. Based on my hypothesis that women are inherently attracted to alpha males regardless of experience to one, there’s a part of me that feels that one will find some degree of cuckoldry, but it’s merely covered by secrets and compounded by poor knowledge of science in earlier eras. It’s rather easy to cover up an affair with a black guy as rape, and it’s rather easy to say that your baby that doesn’t look like dad may look like some other family member, and there’s no DNA testing to prove it. Plus, one must remember that non-middle class women of the pre-World War II era in urban locales did work and have access to male superiors.

    Of course there was cuckoldry.

    A critical book on this is Robin Baker’s “Sperm Wars”. Our sperm have evolved to compete with the sperm of other men inside a woman’s body. This presupposes that cuckoldry has never been terribly uncommon for humans.

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  549. on May 2, 2009 at 8:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol there is where the diversity seems to stop everyone here has been involved at some level in the medical field he he he you can’t escape it.

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  550. on May 2, 2009 at 8:39 pm PA

    So how do we get more men to be like David Alexander in lieu of being mean and bitter?

    Seriously, why are you nice and free of resentment, unlike other lone guys? Has the AngryBitterMale thing been overstated, or is is just your youth?

    Then again, my o m e g a friend Ace was very cheery in his mid-20s. But his anger is apparent now. Of course, Ace wasn’t ignored by girls he liked. He was tormented by them.

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  551. on May 2, 2009 at 8:41 pm Hope

    For a man improving his success with women can be transforming. Not like confronting death maybe but transforming all the same.

    I think there is something about the human psyche that is enchanted by the idea of confronting death, overcoming great adversity, and undergiong deeply transformative experiences. What I’m talking about would be things like living in a real third world country for a year, or almost freezing to death after being lost in a snow storm and getting out of it alive, or surviving a very painful and scary brush with cancer, etc. A person who has gone through such things, achieved “greatness” and developed talents will know a deeper kind of contentment than someone who merely works on improving one dimension of life. This applies to both men and women, in my opinion.

    I am not clear if you dislike game or just the ideological arguments that surround it. Or do you care either way?

    Game fascinates me the way sociology, biology, neuroscience, evolutionary psychology, etc. fascinate me. I am fine with dissecting interactions down to its minute details, the smallest causes and effects. It appeals to my logical, systematizing side. However, I would never personally be with a man who is an adherent to game, who tries to game me and attempts to reduce all human interaction into the sum of its predictabile parts. I see through incongruence easily, and I much prefer the “natural” state to the manipulated, affected masks that people put on. Many of those who are into game seem to intensely dislike women, but pretend to like them and proceed to seduce them for either the ego boost or the sex. I much more respect a man who is honest with himself and others. If he has not had much sexual experience as a result, that is more worthy of respect than someone who lied to get a lot of meaningless sex.

    Do you like enjoy interacting with men that are flirty, teasing, more dominant or do you really prefer the reserved, gentle (who may seem dull on first meeting) type of man? In other words, do you feel immune to game (at least as discussed here).

    Game simply does not begin to touch on all of the aspects of a man that really matter to me. I love a man who is masculine, gallant, open, honest, loving, sweet, witty, intelligent, sexy, enlightened, wise, who is not afraid of intimacy and emotions, who respects himself and others, who knows love and loves life and happiness. These are things that must be “felt,” not a set of logic that can be easily applied. Truthfully, because I am somewhat meek and shy outwardly, I do like a more outgoing and dominant man, but I feel that these traits should be tempered with gentleness and protectiveness. A man is not more compassionate or empathic through game, nor is he more able to live in light and love through game. That probably sounds like a lot of “rainbow gay bullshit” to those who walk a darker, more negative path, but those are precisely the kind of people who turn me off — though nonetheless those people are interesting to observe.

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  552. on May 2, 2009 at 8:43 pm Rum

    A huge percentage of what one must memorize (I did not say learn) in Med School is impossible to retain because one never encounters it again unless you find it to be part of your eventual day to day practice. It is still extremely valuable, however, to at least recognize or remember that an anatomical term or hormone name was once something you knew about and that will help you look it up later if the need arises. I mean, you will still remember that a thing has some connection with the human body or Medical Science even if the details are vague and forgotten. And so you will know when to nod with apparent deep understanding when a topic comes up. .
    Except for a certain set of strange and exotic facts that stick in your mind like crazy-glue. For example, when your Anatomy instructor tells you that the human equivalent of a Filet Mignon Steak is the psoas major muscle you cannot forget it if you try.

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  553. on May 2, 2009 at 8:55 pm Rum

    Hope

    Since you are a man, you must be gay. That’s cool. Just tell the truth. Here, if no where else.

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  554. on May 2, 2009 at 8:55 pm David Alexander

    Now you’re just being dumb like Tokyo.

    Okay, that was a bit of an over reaction on my part, but as somebody who wants to stealcourt white women, the SWPL type seems like a safer bet.

    Not so much, believe it or not. You’re both living in 2009 as of today, and are subject to the same cultural commonalities.

    Put it this way, when I make references into stuff from the early 90s, my brother’s friends have no idea of what I’m talking about or have to use wikipedia as a historical source. Hell, my niece and nephew thought my dad’s old cellphone from the late 90s was a home cordless phone which makes me feel old…

    No, at your age you’re supposed to be banging whatever you can get 18-25, plus an occasional cougar if that’s your scene.

    Ahh yes, the eighteen year olds. Pretty but stupid.

    When you turn 30, start meeting eligible 22-year-olds.

    That sounds like the older dudes who kept hitting on Wellesley Queen. Oddly, being an older guy in that way reeks of “old loser pervert” despite being assured by varying female friends (who openly state being feminists) that it’s okay and not evil.

    Seriously, why are you nice and free of resentment, unlike other lone guys? Has the AngryBitterMale thing been overstated, or is is just your youth?

    Legacy Catholic School religious class creating a “what would Jesus do” mental map. I also suspect that my access to female friends and the presence of my niece and nephews are mitigating factors, and quite possibly escapist hobbies and a degree of personal self-acceptance compared to when I wanted to kill myself on a nightly basis and thought I was hideously ugly. So unlike Ace, while girls may not flock to me an an alpha, there’s a subset of women who don’t mind having me around.

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  555. on May 2, 2009 at 9:15 pm PA

    Ahh yes, the eighteen year olds. Pretty but stupid.

    I see hot teens at my gym. Yes, very pretty, but like aliens from Mars to me. The “omigods!” would make me drive a pencil through my eye.

    a degree of personal self-acceptance compared to when I wanted to kill myself on a nightly basis and thought I was hideously ugly.

    You mentiond this before and it’s one of the reasons I kinda relate to you. I’ve had periods of profound depression in my 20s. I thought your blog entry about driving nowhere in the middle of the night just to quiet your angst was really good and I recognized the mood.

    So unlike Ace, while girls may not flock to me an an alpha, there’s a subset of women who don’t mind having me around.

    With Ace, it was different. He always had girls around him, often hot and young ones. Even though he is an o m e g a, he has a great “guy personality” and hangs out with alphas, goes to parties or on multi-day Atlantic City gampling triops with them, and meets all kinds of girls through them.

    But what then happens is that these girls will start spending a lot of time with him (he is fun to be around, whether you’re a guy or a girl — he has that botomless abundance of energy and kidlike attitude) as he’s taking them places, etc., and he falls in love with them, which is when they turn on their lead-Ace-on-and-use-him-for-all-he’s-got mode.

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  556. on May 2, 2009 at 9:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””Except for a certain set of strange and exotic facts that stick in your mind like crazy-glue. For example, when your Anatomy instructor tells you that the human equivalent of a Filet Mignon Steak is the psoas major muscle you cannot forget it if you try.”””””””””””

    lol Rum,
    Thats a good teacher.

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  557. on May 2, 2009 at 9:25 pm JAM

    Bhetti:

    >JAM: Thanks for the extracts which definitely resonate. Speaking of Heinlein, have been meaning to try him. Recommendations?

    The best place to start, honestly, is Starship Troopers. Not the monstrosity of a movie that came out 10 years ago, but the real thing. In many ways it’s more a polemic than a short novel for boys and young men, which is the way it was first marketed.

    Hope:

    > I think there is something about the human psyche that is enchanted by the idea of confronting death, overcoming great adversity, and undergiong deeply transformative experiences.

    The transformative process from lesser beta to alpha is precisely like that. In many ways, it involves killing the boy inside so that the man may grow. You overcome massive fears (they don’t call it “approach anxiety” for nothing), often with the aid of your comrades (wingmen, lair buddies). In time, as with Percival, you get the holy grail… and in that moment as you reach for that one thing you’ve worked so hard to get, you realize that though you started off for a certain reason… the reason why you now take the chalice is different.

    The process of acquiring masculinity IS like that, and a lot of the initiation rites that we used to have as a culture and civilization are now gone. Outside gang initiation and the military (the former being highly pathologic, the latter incomplete and focused) there isn’t anything formalized. Game is that method of induction for a lot of us.

    > Game simply does not begin to touch on all of the aspects of a man that really matter to me. I love a man who is masculine, gallant, open, honest, loving, sweet, witty, intelligent, sexy, enlightened, wise, who is not afraid of intimacy and emotions, who respects himself and others, who knows love and loves life and happiness.

    LOL. Think of the process of learning Game as the quest I described above. And think of this process, which occurs to one who deliberately applies himself to anything:

    unconscious incompetence –> conscious incompetence –> conscious competence –> unconscious competence.

    The stuttering and awkward shy guy will eventually become all those traits you described. And when he does, you won’t know the difference from the natural who learned it as he went along through childhood and adolescence.

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  558. on May 2, 2009 at 9:31 pm Bhetti

    PA/DA: OHEMGEE. Say what about my rough age, again? I admit not going to the gym regularly. My exercise occurs at home.

    PA: I apologise for triggering these memories. Fun times!

    Rum: Or that T-lymphocytes are cloned soldiers off to battle in Mordor. I have strange lecturers. Still, I wish we were told something like that in anatomy which could serve as a memory aid. I remember Pringle’s maneuvre because it has a fun name. The rest of you, it doesn’t involve tasty chips. Once they pop, you have to stop.

    Cranial nerves: Oh Oh Oh To Touch And Feel… Very Green Vegetables, All Hail. (I totally modified that one)

    I don’t think there’s another subject where phrases such as ‘All Prostitutes Take Money’ is given to you by instructors… (Again, I take the fun out: A Parent Teacher’s Meeting. I live in fear of actually saying it out loud in a patient’s hearing.)

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  559. on May 2, 2009 at 9:32 pm PA

    That sounds like the older dudes who kept hitting on Wellesley Queen. Oddly, being an older guy in that way reeks of “old loser pervert” despite being assured by varying female friends (who openly state being feminists) that it’s okay and not evil.

    I was truing to get into the pants of a hot 19 y.o. evil bitch when I was 22. Once managed to sleep with her when we were both drunk (she was a slut), but that’s about it. Endless frustration with her shit tests, games, moods, bitchiness. At my immature 22, I was way outclassed by a 19 y.o. who knew her market value.

    And she was completely in love with this 35 y.o. guy who swooped by and banged her on occasion. She’d cry when he didn’t call her.

    As with Wellesley Queen, her girlfriends were gaga over this old guy, and didn’t like me much.

    Maybe the early 30s(M) – early 20s(F) pairing is the most right and natural one, and our society for some reason cockblocks it?

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  560. on May 2, 2009 at 9:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    I may be seeing why society dissaproves of suicide maybe no one would stay if it was easy to leave.

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  561. on May 2, 2009 at 9:55 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: I disapprove of suicide because it’s just like murder; only the criminal’s too dead for you to have retribution on.

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  562. on May 2, 2009 at 9:58 pm Comment_MBTI

    First things first. The ‘link filter’ can easily be defeated by removing the h t t p : / / portion of the link.

    This will allow everyone to avoid moderation of our comments for linking to ‘unathorized’ sites. All the links below can be pasted into your browser after h t t p : / / and should work normally. You can also paste them in erasing the entire link in Firefox. Probably works in Internet Explorer to.

    Hope’s link to population distribution of types is from Wikipedia, and the entry shows why Wikipedia shouldn’t be trusted.

    Wikipedia:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Type_dynamics_and_development

    It is true that some people got the results displayed. This probably happened after they decided to change the MBTI questions from the Isabel Briggs Myers test to ‘their correct test’ and then statistically manipulated it to get results that ‘feel right to them’.

    This ‘better test’ with ‘better results’ has now spread to infect the rest of the internet.

    I choose to use the actual date from Gifts Differing, High School populations, Figures 4 through 8, containing a total sample of over 8500 people.

    Wikipedia brazenly declares that 13.8% of the population is ISFJ, and this lie has infected the internet.

    The highest ISFJ number I can find from her actual data is 12.7% for High School non-college prep females. The lowest is from a Philadelphia all-male ‘elite’ High School, at 3.8%. It is unlikely that the ‘general population’ has 13.8% ISFJ using Myers actual data.

    Here is Myers actual data:

    img364.imageshack.us/img364/3505/figure4.jpg
    img364.imageshack.us/img364/7572/figure5.jpg
    img370.imageshack.us/img370/993/figure6.jpg
    img504.imageshack.us/img504/681/figure7.jpg
    img78.imageshack.us/img78/5930/figure8.jpg

    It’s interesting that the matching Introvert type for an Extravert type is always smaller across all categories. There are always more ESTP’s than ISTP. Always more ENFJ’s than INFJ’s. For males and female, college-prep and non-college prep, the Extravert type is more common than it’s paired Introvert Type.

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  563. on May 2, 2009 at 10:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    The myers briggs is bs though since I mean I was too close on three and the psychologist couldn’t put me in a category. She couldn’t label me wooooo hooooooo

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  564. on May 2, 2009 at 10:09 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: If there was a Legendary category, she’d have no trouble.

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  565. on May 2, 2009 at 10:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or maybe she was trying to give me a cool memory like something out of a spy movie. Who knows. He He He

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  566. on May 2, 2009 at 10:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol Bhetti

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  567. on May 2, 2009 at 10:20 pm Comment_MBTI2

    Labeling people is easier than you think Gunslinger.

    I label you an ESTP! See, it’s easy so long as I don’t care whether I’m right or completely wrong!

    HA!

    And no matter what you say, I now know you are an ESTP!

    HA! HA! HA!

    Really though, the original MBTI made a lot of sense, but it could have been broken by helpful new people along the way.

    But I wouldn’t expect an ESTP like you to get that.

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  568. on May 2, 2009 at 10:22 pm Welmer

    PA

    Only sex I remember having in public was in the parking lot of a softball field on a military base. I was in the Army then, my early 20s. She was slightly younger, civilian.

    Really? Only once?

    I used to do it outside all the time. Just find some tall grass or a thicket — no kidding. I never did figure out why women liked that so much, because it didn’t matter much to me where I was. Once I screwed a girl on the steps of a public school. That was weird, but she was totally into it (we were both 17 at the time). Did it in empty classrooms, too.

    I guess I took my cue from the local homos, who screwed in my neighborhood’s bushes at all hours. Probably the most memorable was in the ravine on Capitol Hill (in Seattle) when I led a girl down a path in the woods and just did it right there against a tree. We were both fried, so it was very strange, but I’ll never forget that one. Felt like my dick was a balloon or something, and when I came it “popped” and spewed a whole lot of semen. So much came out that it dripped out between her shaking knees and fell on the leaves on the ground with loud “splats.” Must have been autumn.

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  569. on May 2, 2009 at 10:25 pm David on ipod

    Re: 18 year olds

    Maybe it’s me but when I used to attend class at community college, the younger women came across as silly and immature. Even at some moments, the smart girls were too silly for me, and the guys weren’t much better and insome cases worse. It made going to school more annoying and depressing, but it makes for good encouragement to finish up. Hell, the somewhat vapid nature of some women can be a turn off even if they’re hot and sexually attractive by my standards.

    I must admit that I can not find every girl useful for a platonic friendship, but once in a while you can luck out.

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  570. on May 2, 2009 at 10:25 pm russell rodriguez

    roissy you would knowingly fuck a married woman that’s fucked up man

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  571. on May 2, 2009 at 10:30 pm Rum

    Bhetti

    For the bones in the wrist: Slowly Lower Tilleys Pants; Mother Might Come Home. That is a 1000 times easier to remember than Scafate/Lunate/wtfe.

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  572. on May 2, 2009 at 10:35 pm Bhetti

    DA (on his IPOD!! Perhaps as a brief explanation for short posts?): I used to consider everyone silly and immature when I was 12 and in fact their age. They were not worth my time and it seemed to me by choice; I definitely did not make the effort and didn’t see anyone worth it. I was at a socially isolated, rather depressed stage of life. I’m not going to project that onto you; different reasons and perspectives.

    I love being young, cheerful and naive. It’s so normal and such a positive state. I love that quality, especially its pure form in children. There’re aspects to be celeberated.

    Maybe you’re thinking of pettiness or an inability to see the big picture… ?

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  573. on May 2, 2009 at 10:37 pm David on ipod

    Re: roadgeeking

    It’s partially due to being bored at home and looking for some type of escape, but somehow the trips become symbolic at times as noted by a recent blog entry. The railfanning trips of the old days were similar, and were ways to get around feeling like crap in class or in a dorm room doing nothing.

    I should note that to a certain extent, jerking off is paliative, but it is to escape stress in general. Depressed masturbation can sometimes exacerbate the problem or merely be waste of time which leadsto subpar orgasms.

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  574. on May 2, 2009 at 10:37 pm Welmer

    russell rodriguez

    roissy you would knowingly fuck a married woman that’s fucked up man

    It’s on her — she’s the one who took the vow. Don’t ever, ever think a whoring wife is not complicit, because the choice is always hers.

    But as a friend I’d say Roissy ought to be careful, because guys have been known to get murdered over that stuff. A friend of mine almost got stabbed to death in Beijing over that, and he didn’t even know the woman was married.

    Proverbs 6:26:

    For the price of a loose woman may be scarcely a loaf of bread, But if she is married, she is a trap for your precious life.

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  575. on May 2, 2009 at 10:41 pm Welmer

    Bhetti, is it common for Arab girls to lay hold of a man’s parts and handle them roughly while he is sleeping? I’ve been curious about that for a while.

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  576. on May 2, 2009 at 10:43 pm Bhetti

    Rum: Here’s another version ==> Sexy Lucy Tried Pissing Having Copulated Twenty Times. The unfortunate disadvantage with it is I block out the disturbing image so find it more difficult to remember… they’ve replaced the two Ms with new names, I think, or its different in the UK.

    Modified version that Peter will like:
    Slowly Lower Tilly’s Pants To The Curly Hairs
    I didn’t make it up, this guy did:
    http://crackthemciscreeing.blogspot.com/2007/09/mnemonics-easy-way-to-remember.html

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  577. on May 2, 2009 at 10:44 pm Bhetti

    Welmer: Seriously, you creep me out sometimes. I know of no such convention or tradition.

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  578. on May 2, 2009 at 10:47 pm Bhetti

    I think STDs are symbolic. Do not sleep with something you don’t want to catch anything from, and that includes personality/morality/trashiness. Maybe this policy would lead to the extinction of the human race, however…

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  579. on May 2, 2009 at 11:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””Comment
    But I wouldn’t expect an ESTP like you to get that.””””””””””

    lol I am not negated you are not a professional.

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  580. on May 2, 2009 at 11:07 pm novaseeker

    It’s on her — she’s the one who took the vow. Don’t ever, ever think a whoring wife is not complicit, because the choice is always hers.

    But as a friend I’d say Roissy ought to be careful, because guys have been known to get murdered over that stuff. A friend of mine almost got stabbed to death in Beijing over that, and he didn’t even know the woman was married.

    Can’t say I agree there.

    I mean, yes, the woman is the one who broke her promise to her husband, and is more primarily guilty, true enough. But it is a jackass move for a man to stab another man in the back by fucking his wife.

    The concern you mention is quite well-founded. I am not a violent man, but when I learned of my ex-wife’s infidelity, I seriously entertained, for a few days, violent acts against *him* that I have never seriously entertained before or since.

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  581. on May 2, 2009 at 11:22 pm Rum

    Married Chicks

    I spent one summer living in the woods close to Fairbanks Alaska. I was kind of a total alien/visitor there. Nevertheless, an Inuit girl found me, bye and bye, to be deeply fascinating.
    Thing is, I had this primal perception that if I wanted to survive to go back to school in the fall it would be best to stay completely away from the womenfolk of the heavily armed Mormons & Northern Rednecks who populate the state.
    I mean, keep your brain in gear and pick your fights.

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  582. on May 2, 2009 at 11:50 pm Tood

    Obsidian,

    Is ‘Roe for Men’ actually gaining traction? I doubt that the Supreme court would pass it.

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  583. on May 2, 2009 at 11:52 pm Tood

    Rum said :

    “I think it is a good idea for Contrarian to avoid any intimate relationships with women who like game and carefully limit himself to those who are unswayed by it.”

    You are assuming that having relations with women is an option for this Omega. It is not. Hence, he is an Omega.

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  584. on May 3, 2009 at 12:20 am Obsidian

    Tood,
    Wrt RFM: they’re gonna have to, on the same logic that what we have right now, is the equivalent of “backalley” abortions on the Female side, meaning-that you can’t force someone to be a parent against their will. It is documented that right now as we speak billions of dollars is owed in child support arrears. Men have already decided, they simply refuse to pay for achild that may not be theirs, and in any event have virtually no say in how its raised. Men are having enough of that. The facts, speak for themselves, those arrears don’t go down, they go up every year.

    So, its simply a matter of practicality here. The law will eventually have to mirror the reality of things on the ground. When the Feminists opened the door on abortion they opened the door on it for Men too whether they wanted to or not, just like Gays opening the door on gay marriage are also opening the door on state recognized Polygamy, Polyandry and incestuous marriages, no matter how hard they try to squirn out of it.

    O

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  585. on May 3, 2009 at 12:44 am Tupac Chopra

    finefantastic, enjoyed that!

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  586. on May 3, 2009 at 12:51 am Tupac Chopra

    DA:

    Hell, the somewhat vapid nature of some women can be a turn off even if they’re hot and sexually attractive by my standards.

    I disagree. I *love* hot dumb girls. Like putty in my hands.

    Of course, I’m talking “dumb” as in childlike, innocent and kind-hearted, uncorrupted by cynicism and pain.

    I treat them well. Like a daughter.

    It’s the vapid, shallow, nattering, capricious, materialistic girls that get the Edward Hyde treatment.

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  587. on May 3, 2009 at 12:55 am jaakkeli

    I see through incongruence easily, and I much prefer the “natural” state to the manipulated, affected masks that people put on. Many of those who are into game seem to intensely dislike women, but pretend to like them and proceed to seduce them for either the ego boost or the sex. I much more respect a man who is honest with himself and others.

    Hope, now you’re hurting my sensitive feelings. What about those of us that LIKE the game of masks? It would be dishonest not to play or to pretend that there’s some natural state of me. Think of, say, style. Some people work to develop their style over the years to some ideal where their clothes fit their self-image as closely as possible. Others like constantly reinventing themselves. Are they being untrue to themselves and everyone else?

    Not that you’d really have to worry about guys like me. I’m just turned off by women who don’t have games of their own to show. I’m guessing what’s really bugging you with game is the incongruence of men who don’t really like games “studying” game to the max, since men who don’t like games probably do feel that they’re “fooling” women into sex.

    Why is it that people who don’t like games are so judgemental about people who do but people who do like games don’t care (even as we listen to you just hurting our feelings, hurtin soooo much)?

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  588. on May 3, 2009 at 1:26 am Nicole

    Ludwig asks, “Not to put too crude a point on it, but let’s say Joe Inexperienced fools around for a few years, adds notches to his belt, and then after a few years meets a girl that he values more than a FB. And the time has come to bang her. But there’s just one problem…he’s got some warts on his business. What then?”

    Ludwig, a guy getting “lots of experience” safely means that he has to be very picky about who he’s doing it with, not just about wearing condoms. I think one of the things Roissy illustrates with his “hot girls” preference is that the who matters more than the what. His preference leans in a certain direction, and he doesn’t compromise. He accepts whatever risks are associated with it like a nietzschian trooper.

    So if he gets burned then he would likely just consider it collateral damage. It’s not as if the women he’s in the habit of banging are likely to be microbially pristine either.

    If, on the other hand, it’s important for you to find someone to bond closely with, who can bond closely with you, then you must accept whatever goes with that too. More experience with fewer women is one of them.

    Another important thing to understand about game is that, to be very blunt, for many guys it’s too little too late. Part of game is knowledge that dads used to pass down to their sons so that they know what they want by the time they physically become men, pick a good one early enough for it to matter, and proceed having an adult life.

    Example: a couple I knew in high school are still together. The woman in it is as hot as she ever was, and so is her husband. I had a few talks with them during some of the usual teenage bumps in the road, and I was smart enough and sure enough even at that age, to tell her how fortunate she is, and him how fortunate he is. I told them about my parents, who met when my mom was 12, and my dad 15. They’re still together. My dad had sex with maybe 2 other women before they got married even though it was the 70’s and he was a pretty wild jazz musician.

    Heheheh…Roissy might be happy to note that my dad was kind of semi-dandy…artsy and slim but wirey.

    Anyway, when you know how to pick them, you don’t need to shag 100 girls to know what kind of woman you want to stick with. Sampling sluts is what guys do who are delaying or against commitment, or don’t have available decent women around, and are passing the time.

    If you can do without the musical chairs, then you should. Besides, making it harder for girls to get into your pants makes you more of a challenge. However, you should get experience talking to and relating to women on a romantic level. Practice being wanted even if you don’t want to be had.

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  589. on May 3, 2009 at 1:28 am Obsidian

    Jaakeli,
    The short answer is, because Misery loves company of its own kind. For all the squawking by naysayers of Game, the reality is that those who do play have more fun, on balance, than those who don’t. The anti-Seducers, as Greene would call them in his book, simply cannot standby and watch others having a happy life.

    O

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  590. on May 3, 2009 at 2:00 am Nicole

    Obsidian says, “The anti-Seducers, as Greene would call them in his book, simply cannot standby and watch others having a happy life.”

    True…and some folks are in the habit of applying their own standards, needs, and desires onto others. They don’t get that what’s healthy for them might be toxic for others because well, the whole mental health establishment is kind of screwed up that way. What people learn about psychology usually comes from very well meaning, educated people who are sure their “anthropos” is the ideal. It’s not.

    People are supposed to be different. That’s nature. Screwing with that only brings about an unnatural situation in which people are living others’ lives, not their own. Some degree of compromise is necessary to keep a society running, but as I’ve said before, the compromises become very unhealthy when the social engineers are malevolent or even merely short sighted.

    People coming from the overly judgmental, one-size-fits-all disciplines, are incapable of viewing game as anything more than tactics to negatively manipulate women. They don’t understand that human interaction is manipulation. The only way to not affect someone is to avoid them.

    The question of ethics in manipulation isn’t one of whether or not to manipulate someone who one encounters and interacts with. It’s whether or not one’s purpose is positive or negative.

    If I tell my child not to shove a knife into a light socket because they could get shocked, this is manipulation. I’m attempting to alter their current belief that it’s okay to do such things. Does this make it bad just because it’s manipulation? Of course not.

    People like contrarian can’t understand that. Game is just tactical information. People can use it to positive or negative ends.

    He wants to see things in the worst possible light…let him. He will learn, or he will suffer by his own stupidity. Nature is a better teacher than any of us, and a much more strict mistress than our most sadistic fantasies.

    Speaking of which, I’m glad to hear your experiences with topping Sugah were positive. 🙂

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  591. on May 3, 2009 at 2:25 am Welmer

    novaseeker

    Can’t say I agree there.

    I mean, yes, the woman is the one who broke her promise to her husband, and is more primarily guilty, true enough. But it is a jackass move for a man to stab another man in the back by fucking his wife.

    The concern you mention is quite well-founded. I am not a violent man, but when I learned of my ex-wife’s infidelity, I seriously entertained, for a few days, violent acts against *him* that I have never seriously entertained before or since.

    Novaseeker, you and I both know the score. A woman can do as she pleases these days, and a man has no recourse.

    This unnatural situation calls for some unnatural hardness on our part. My goal is to give young men the proper attitude toward this so they can deal with it when it’s their turn. Certainly, the answer to the problem is clear from a moral standpoint, but as the law stands the response must be measured, and the woman, who has all the options in her hands, must accept the whole of the responsibility.

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  592. on May 3, 2009 at 2:34 am Welmer

    Bhetti

    Welmer: Seriously, you creep me out sometimes. I know of no such convention or tradition.

    You and OMW, I guess.

    It’s so funny to see girls on a PUA blog trying to call guys out for being “creepy.”

    Bhetti: Seriously, I think you’re a slut.

    Any Muslim man who knew you were posting here would think the same, you damp, quivering little cunt.

    BTW, why don’t you share those photos you’ve been sending around to men on the Internet, whore?

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  593. on May 3, 2009 at 2:39 am contrarian

    Contrarians thesis reminds me of the plea of fat chicks to be accepted for their inners selves.

    It has nothing to do with that. I didn’t say that a man has to be accepted even though he is, say, very fat or smelly. I was talking about personality.

    Obdurately refusing to believe it is just another lame way to console oneself while watching other guys swim in pussy.

    Seeing as how I have no interest in casual sex, it makes no difference to me how much other men are swimming in pussy.

    Default User

    You sound like an intellectual and logical guy looking for an intellectual and logical woman. That is less likely to result in happiness than a more complementary mix of emotion and logic.

    You assume that emotions must be calculated and manufactured. They don’t.

    Thursday

    Only the most loserly of losers would go to all that trouble to show someone up on an internet forum.. Man alive, get a life.

    “Get a life” has to be one of the most desperate and overused “arguments” on the Internet.

    Tupac Chopra

    Re: “Contrarian” aka “TokyoJesusFisT, aka Latent Homosexual.

    Where have I said, implied or indicated that I’m gay?

    Ban that motherfucker, Roissy.

    Annoying little fuck.

    Or maybe you should be banned, for being a troll.

    PA

    Figures that of all possible examples of his idea of manhood, he’d dig up a traitor.

    The My Lai Massacre was a war crime, and the men participating were war criminals. He was protecting innocent civilians from war criminals. By your logic the US Army is guilty of treason every time they put a soldier on trial for committing a crime. The ultimate conclusion to your logic is that American troops are above and beyond all moral and legal constraints. Or perhaps legal and moral constraints just don’t matter to you in general.

    A fratricidal traitor.

    It is once more revealed how incredibly superficial PUAs are. People are “brothers” to you just because they wear the same uniform with the same flag. Doesn’t matter if they go into a village and start raping, torturing, mutilating and murdering innocent people, as long as they’re your “brothers.”

    You are the worst kind of cowardly sheep there is.

    Lt. Calley also believed he was doing the right thing.

    But he wasn’t.

    The transformative process from lesser beta to alpha is precisely like that. In many ways, it involves killing the boy inside so that the man may grow.

    Not that you would know anything about that.

    Bhetti

    Contrarian’s ‘there’re pretty much no quality women’ has been the most tragic thing I’ve heard. It’s also misogynistic/misanthropic.

    How is it misogynistic?

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  594. on May 3, 2009 at 2:48 am David Alexander

    I treat them well. Like a daughter.

    I believe we call that incest… 🙂

    But as a friend I’d say Roissy ought to be careful, because guys have been known to get murdered over that stuff.

    I still contend that the dumbest thing that I’ve done was bang the older woman in a car I didn’t own outside of her house while her b/f was sleeping. He could have kicked my ass, I could have crashed the car trying to flee, I was barely sober, and she could have gotten pregnant.

    As with Wellesley Queen, her girlfriends were gaga over this old guy, and didn’t like me much.

    Wellesley Queen’s friends were never crazy about her choices. I suspect the girls were a bit apprehensive about some of her black (Caribbean & college educated) boyfriends. They weren’t even fawning over her German-Argentine lover. Admittedly, Wellesley has a lesbian streak, but it’s really a proxy for “holding out for alphas”, especially since the school is partnered with MIT, and it’s basically the furthest school away from the core in Boston. If you’re at a already female majority school, why would you ride a crappy shuttle bus (aka fuck truck) to a school with women would reek of feminist gin?

    And yes, from the way they described the “guests”, they weren’t fond of beta behaviour. In drunken moments, it’s almost as if feminism was misinterpreted. In other words, women really wanted the career portion so they wouldn’t be restricted by being wives and mothers*, but other than a handful of dominant women who wanted “male wives”, they wanted to keep the dominant men around.

    *You could argue that the 1950s and 60s was a middle class fluke, and that it was partially a return to earlier historical patterns where women worked and earned money for their families.

    Maybe the early 30s(M) – early 20s(F) pairing is the most right and natural one, and our society for some reason cockblocks it?

    The age issue seems to be an American issue, and I suspect it’s based on a view of companionship marriages where each spouse is a best friend to each other, and thus, close age ranges are preferred to ensure compatibility. As I’ve pointed out, my female friends who will openly admit to being feminists were dating (or are engaged) to men who are older, so I wouldn’t argue that it’s magically the evil feminists controlling this. Hell, look at how people are gaga over high school sweethearts staying in love with each other.

    With Ace, it was different.

    I could see why he became bitter. He’s rather normal and assimilated compared to me, and with access to alpha male companions, he seems left out in the cold. Plus, given that girls appear to have used him, he’s probably jealous of the alpha males and bitter toward women for using him. I’d argue that he’s a perfect candidate for game, and from what you’ve described, he’s just merely an unlucky beta.

    In contrast, I really don’t meet new people, have limited contact with alpha male friends, and my female friendships are of the talk online and meet at the diner type with sporadic outgoings. Plus, thanks to porn, it’s pretty easy to desexualize any woman*, so you tend to avoid falling in love.

    *Once you realize that underneath, she looks like crap and has no makeup, it can easily destroy any ounce of sexual attraction.

    Why is it that people who don’t like games are so judgemental about people who do but people who do like games don’t care

    We’re nags who think we’re right and everybody else is wrong. 🙂

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  595. on May 3, 2009 at 2:52 am 87

    Your woman must be either an angel on earth, or a dirty whore.

    She should be both.

    A woman of sound morals, good character, conservative family values, physical beauty, inner equilibrium, and vibrant energy.

    And, for her man only, a dirty, low-down, nasty little slut who gets soaked by the merest thought of submitting, belonging completely to her man. She is his property, for him to do with as he pleases.

    —

    And all that stuff PA said.

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  596. on May 3, 2009 at 2:54 am contrarian

    Nicole

    If I tell my child not to shove a knife into a light socket because they could get shocked, this is manipulation. I’m attempting to alter their current belief that it’s okay to do such things. Does this make it bad just because it’s manipulation? Of course not.

    People like contrarian can’t understand that.

    I am not, and never have been, talking about that kind of manipulation. I do not even call it manipulation.

    Game is just tactical information. People can use it to positive or negative ends.

    It’s much, much more than that.

    He wants to see things in the worst possible light…let him.

    No, I just want to see things as they are.

    He will learn, or he will suffer by his own stupidity. Nature is a better teacher than any of us, and a much more strict mistress than our most sadistic fantasies.

    What does this gibberish even mean?

    .

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  597. on May 3, 2009 at 2:56 am 87

    David Alexander:

    That implies marrying somebody who has little age cohort commonality. Doesn’t that hurt if one wants a companionship marriage since there are few shared experiences?

    Irrelevant.
    Unless “shared experiences” translates to “we wasted our teenage years watching the same television programs”, or “we were the same age when cell phones arrived”.

    If that’s what you really mean by “shared experiences”, then your problems don’t stop there.

    —

    Au contraire, a moderate age difference means that each partner has interesting and novel takes on things.
    If the age difference is only 8-11 years, there will be no differences that could possibly be schismatic.

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  598. on May 3, 2009 at 2:58 am Tood

    Obsidian,

    RFM : I hope so. While some men can get away with going off the grid with regards to child support, many others can’t. A man with a job at a corporation is pretty much screwed, and failure to pay child support is a felony.

    But one thing I wondered about that is : if failure to pay child support is a felony, and felons don’t get hired by corporations, then getting a felony tacked onto a father who owes child support will effectively prevent him from paying again anyway, due to his employment prospects being severely reduced.

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  599. on May 3, 2009 at 3:11 am Welmer

    Tood

    Obsidian,

    RFM : I hope so. While some men can get away with going off the grid with regards to child support, many others can’t. A man with a job at a corporation is pretty much screwed, and failure to pay child support is a felony.

    But one thing I wondered about that is : if failure to pay child support is a felony, and felons don’t get hired by corporations, then getting a felony tacked onto a father who owes child support will effectively prevent him from paying again anyway, due to his employment prospects being severely reduced.

    Beautiful system, isn’t it?

    If you think about it, however, it’s all about power, and then it begins to make sense. If you make the guy a felon, you can do whatever you want with the kids, cry to the judge, get welfare, etc. YOU are the eternal oppressed victim, which is the most comfortable role for a woman to play, forever.

    It will eventually break down, but only when it has bled the country dry. Women will keep punishing their exes until the final dollar wafts its way into the hands of the last attorney. There’s really no logic about it except the logic of personal destruction.

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  600. on May 3, 2009 at 3:12 am Welmer

    BTW, people, I strongly suspect contrarian is not a man, but a dyke, which is like an anti-man while still being far from feminine.

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  601. on May 3, 2009 at 3:21 am 87

    BTW, people, I strongly suspect contrarian is not a man, but a dyke, which is like an anti-man while still being far from feminine.

    No, Welmer.

    Contrarian is almost certainly a man. He’s probably between 18 and 25, and most likely lies somewhere toward the severe end of the autistic/Asperger spectrum.

    I’ve had the, um, eye-opening experience of knowing several such young men, a couple of whose utter extremism makes Contrarian’s postings seem relatively normal.

    I’d bet $25.92 that Contrarian has more respect for cephalopods, and misplaced respect for undeserving women**, than for his fellow men.

    —

    **This is not all women.

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  602. on May 3, 2009 at 3:31 am Welmer

    87

    BTW, people, I strongly suspect contrarian is not a man, but a dyke, which is like an anti-man while still being far from feminine.

    No, Welmer.

    Contrarian is almost certainly a man. He’s probably between 18 and 25, and most likely lies somewhere toward the severe end of the autistic/Asperger spectrum.

    I’ve had the, um, eye-opening experience of knowing several such young men, a couple of whose utter extremism makes Contrarian’s postings seem relatively normal.

    I’d bet $25.92 that Contrarian has more respect for cephalopods, and misplaced respect for undeserving women**, than for his fellow men.

    –

    **This is not all women.

    Maybe, but whoever it is writes like a lesbian all the same. That would be extremely sad if some young men were indistinguishable on paper from lesbians, but I suppose anything’s possible these days.

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  603. on May 3, 2009 at 3:32 am contrarian

    87

    She should be both.

    She can’t be both.

    Welmer

    BTW, people, I strongly suspect contrarian is not a man, but a dyke, which is like an anti-man while still being far from feminine.

    On what is your “suspicion” based on? Why would I lie about my gender?

    87

    Contrarian is almost certainly a man. He’s probably between 18 and 25, and most likely lies somewhere toward the severe end of the autistic/Asperger spectrum.

    You shouldn’t play Dr. Phil when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    —

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  604. on May 3, 2009 at 3:34 am contrarian

    87

    She should be both.

    She can’t be both.

    Welmer

    BTW, people, I strongly suspect contrarian is not a man, but a dyke, which is like an anti-man while still being far from feminine.

    On what is your “suspicion” based on? Why would I lie about my gender?

    87

    Contrarian is almost certainly a man. He’s probably between 18 and 25, and most likely lies somewhere toward the severe end of the autistic/Asperger spectrum.

    You shouldn’t play Dr. Phil when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    I’d bet $25.92 that Contrarian has more respect for cephalopods, and misplaced respect for undeserving women**, than for his fellow men.

    And I’m guessing “undeserving women” are women who don’t respond to game and don’t like PUAs?

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  605. on May 3, 2009 at 3:36 am Welmer

    David Alexander

    *You could argue that the 1950s and 60s was a middle class fluke, and that it was partially a return to earlier historical patterns where women worked and earned money for their families.

    The 50s and 60s were a fluke — a big one. Now that we have the pill, we’re in an even bigger fluke.

    Female hormones have so thoroughly saturated our ecosystem that I’m not sure we can even begin to tally the consequences.

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  606. on May 3, 2009 at 3:37 am Welmer

    contrarian

    Welmer

    BTW, people, I strongly suspect contrarian is not a man, but a dyke, which is like an anti-man while still being far from feminine.

    On what is your “suspicion” based on? Why would I lie about my gender?

    It’s because you write like a dyke.

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  607. on May 3, 2009 at 3:39 am jaakkeli

    It has nothing to do with that. I didn’t say that a man has to be accepted even though he is, say, very fat or smelly. I was talking about personality.

    But… your personality stinks. You come across as overly judgemental, negative and inflexible. Very few people will see those as desirable personality traits. No woman goes out thinking “I want to meet a mean-spirited guy who’s really judgemental”.

    The odds are that you actually wouldn’t want to meet a woman with the same traits. They’re pretty universally considered negatives. That’s just fine: we all have some personality traits that turn off everyone. It’s just that you really don’t come across as a guy whose personality is an overall positive, so instead of sticking to the fantasy that there’s some one true soulmate who’ll love you for your unpopular personality, you’d be better off either developing your personality or trying to accumulate other positives to compensate for your personality.

    Developing other positives: hitting the gym, starting a band, getting enlargement surgery etc

    Developing personality: learning from game guys, finding a New Age movement, joining a biker gang etc

    Seeing as how I have no interest in casual sex, it makes no difference to me how much other men are swimming in pussy.

    Yeah, that’s why you spend the effort to break through IP bans to comment on PUA blogs. Because you don’t care.

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  608. on May 3, 2009 at 3:41 am Welmer

    jaakkeli

    contrarian

    It has nothing to do with that. I didn’t say that a man has to be accepted even though he is, say, very fat or smelly. I was talking about personality.

    But… your personality stinks. You come across as overly judgemental, negative and inflexible. Very few people will see those as desirable personality traits.

    Exactly. Just like a lesbian.

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  609. on May 3, 2009 at 3:43 am 87

    She can’t be both.

    Then her man isn’t doing his job right.

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  610. on May 3, 2009 at 3:45 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea tood that sort of thing could only happen in a “free” country. Really how do the judges and supreme court or anyone in a position to enforce this stuff do it with a clear concience. A felony for not paying child support. How can a law get passed like this. 18 years. People don’t go to jail for 18 years a lot of times for murder. Where the hell is freedom? What the fuck happened to america?

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  611. on May 3, 2009 at 3:59 am contrarian

    Welmer

    It’s because you write like a dyke.

    Well, you write like a crossdressing homosexual child molester.

    See, anyone can make surreal and unsubstantiated claims.

    jaakkeli

    But… your personality stinks.

    I was not talking about myself.

    You come across as overly judgemental, negative and inflexible.

    These adjectives describe pretty much anyone on this site, and most people in general, so why single me out?

    The odds are that you actually wouldn’t want to meet a woman with the same traits. They’re pretty universally considered negatives. That’s just fine: we all have some personality traits that turn off everyone. It’s just that you really don’t come across as a guy whose personality is an overall positive, so instead of sticking to the fantasy that there’s some one true soulmate who’ll love you for your unpopular personality, you’d be better off either developing your personality or trying to accumulate other positives to compensate for your personality.

    This assessment is not based on anything, you’re just making things up.

    Yeah, that’s why you spend the effort to break through IP bans to comment on PUA blogs. Because you don’t care.

    Can you explain how this is related to me not caring about casual sex?

    87

    Then her man isn’t doing his job right.

    That has nothing to do with it. A woman can’t be an angel and a slut at the same time. Not possible.

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  612. on May 3, 2009 at 4:05 am Welmer

    contrarian

    Welmer

    It’s because you write like a dyke.

    Well, you write like a crossdressing homosexual child molester.

    But that’s obviously untrue.

    See, anyone can make surreal and unsubstantiated claims.

    Speak for yourself.

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  613. on May 3, 2009 at 4:09 am 87

    That has nothing to do with it. A woman can’t be an angel and a slut at the same time. Not possible.

    Whence the certainty about things with which you have no personal experience?

    I mean, I’m not going to start arguing with you about cephalopods.

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  614. on May 3, 2009 at 4:14 am Nicole

    Contrarian asks, “Where have I said, implied or indicated that I’m gay?”

    You claim to want a type of woman who doesn’t exist.

    If she were a good, sane woman who wasn’t into negatively manipulating people, she would do shit tests, albeit explicitly.

    If she did not do shit tests, she would be a nymphomaniac who was not interested in any kind of committed relationship.

    Shit tests are filters to make sure that one is getting a guy who isn’t all talk and no action, or all play and no love.

    My shit tests are on the face. I explain to all potential partners, once they start going in the direction of trying to get into my pants via my heart, that I may be very romantic and occasionally impulsive, but I am watching their behavior. I treat them with the same seriousness that they treat me, and will be as responsive to them as they are to me…female equivalent anyway.

    Trust takes the time it takes to build, and if they break my trust, I am not like most women. I don’t want to talk about my feelings. I just respond according to how I’m treated.

    I can go pretty far on good faith though. I’m not bitchy. I’m just not stupid, and I believe in “a little less talk, and a little more action”.

    In my opinion, that’s the best shit test there is. It filters out the players because I’m not really listening to most of what a guy claims about himself. I’m not watching his lips. I’m watching his feet.

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  615. on May 3, 2009 at 4:15 am LILGRL

    @contrarian

    “If she’s willing to have sex with you in a public place, she’s no angel.”

    I disagree.

    “That has nothing to do with it. A woman can’t be an angel and a slut at the same time. Not possible.”

    Prithee, do explain said “impossibility.”

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  616. on May 3, 2009 at 4:26 am Welmer

    Hey Bhetti,

    check out LILGRL.

    She actually posts her own photos.

    Would you dare, or would it take too much effort to photoshop the huge schnozz and the arm hair?

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  617. on May 3, 2009 at 4:33 am contrarian

    Welmer

    But that’s obviously untrue.

    And it is equally untrue that I’m a woman, or that I “write like a dyke.”

    Speak for yourself.

    You made a surreal and unsubstantiated claim.

    87

    Whence the certainty about things with which you have no personal experience?

    No experience is required, only common sense. How would you propose that a woman can simultaneously be an angel and a slut?

    Nicole

    Contrarian asks, “Where have I said, implied or indicated that I’m gay?”

    You claim to want a type of woman who doesn’t exist.

    Gays are sexually attracted to members of their own gender. Since I am a man who is attracted to women, I cannot be gay.

    If she were a good, sane woman who wasn’t into negatively manipulating people, she would do shit tests, albeit explicitly.

    No, she wouldn’t.

    If she did not do shit tests, she would be a nymphomaniac who was not interested in any kind of committed relationship.

    This does not even begin to make any sense.

    Shit tests are filters to make sure that one is getting a guy who isn’t all talk and no action, or all play and no love.

    Shit tests are arbitrary tests that have no real purpose or relevance. They exist for their own sake.

    LILGRL

    I disagree.

    It’s not a matter of opinion. A woman can’t act like a slut and claim she’s an angel any more than I can steal a car, go to prison and claim I’m not a criminal.

    Prithee, do explain said “impossibility.”

    They are mutually exclusive.

    ..

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  618. on May 3, 2009 at 4:37 am 87

    No experience is required, only common sense. How would you propose that a woman can simultaneously be an angel and a slut?

    How would I propose this?

    Confidently.
    From experience.
    With style.

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  619. on May 3, 2009 at 4:43 am Welmer

    BTW, LILGRL, I used to be good at this, but perhaps not so much anymore. Anyway, humor me if you please. Is your family originally southern Chinese, like Zhejiang or something?

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  620. on May 3, 2009 at 4:44 am LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    Mostly Vietnamese with a sprinkling of French/Thai/etc.

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  621. on May 3, 2009 at 4:46 am Nicole

    Contrarian says, “This does not even begin to make any sense.”

    Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean it makes sense.

    If you were doing business in a market where people are prone to cheat and lie, you would find out how they make their product look more expensive than it should be, in order to avoid being defrauded.

    Shit tests are ways that women attempt to avoid being defrauded into wasting their time with players and punks who can’t handle life. A man who can’t stand up to a woman is not a man…just like a woman who can’t stand up to a man is no woman.

    Do you try to date every woman you meet who *seems* nice?

    People who have standards use filters and tests to make sure those who get close to them deserve to be there.

    It’s not that hard.

    “Shit tests are arbitrary tests that have no real purpose or relevance. They exist for their own sake.”

    Now you’re just spewing text only for the sake of being contrary. You’re like a puppet. If I say the sky is blue, you’ll say it’s green. This is why I avoid addressing you very often. You’re a boy having a text tantrum.

    …but we’ll see in 10 years. Whatever I can say is nothing compared to nature. While I just dislike purposefully stupid people, she actually has the power to punish them. 🙂

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  622. on May 3, 2009 at 4:49 am Nicole

    Correction: Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean it makes no sense.

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  623. on May 3, 2009 at 4:51 am 87

    Shit tests are ways that women attempt to avoid being defrauded into wasting their time with players and punks who can’t handle life.

    Ironically, good “players” usually pass shit tests with much greater aplomb than do “stand-up guys”.

    Perhaps you’re just using “player” in a sense different from the American sense.

    —

    I like purposefully stupid people, at least in that they provide good entertainment.

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  624. on May 3, 2009 at 4:52 am Welmer

    contrarian

    Welmer

    But that’s obviously untrue.

    And it is equally untrue that I’m a woman, or that I “write like a dyke.”

    I don’t know what you are, but you do share a lot in common with lesbians.

    Speak for yourself.

    You made a surreal and unsubstantiated claim.

    No, your focus is perfectly in line with a lesbian mentality. There is plenty of substance there, and you have offered no alternative besides a few words on this blog. For all I know you’re clad in plaid flannel, wearing birkenstocks over purple wool socks and sporting a mullet and facial peach fuzz while furiously typing away to undermine any male consensus on this blog.

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  625. on May 3, 2009 at 4:54 am xsplat

    joel

    About outdoor sex. Bad idea…

    Your logistics are impecable, Dr. Spock.

    Or are you that other emotionless dweeb – Data?

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  626. on May 3, 2009 at 5:03 am Welmer

    LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    Mostly Vietnamese with a sprinkling of French/Thai/etc.

    OK, I guess that’s why I was tempted to say Taiwanese (they have austronesian blood, which is similar to some Thai/Vietnamese tribes). You have big round eyes, which is quite different from the northern Chinese I’m accustomed to.

    Anyway, very nice pic you have there. You’ll do fine for yourself and can have your pick for the most part if you play it right.

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  627. on May 3, 2009 at 5:09 am contrarian

    87

    How would I propose this?

    Confidently.
    From experience.
    With style.

    I would imagine that you have simply deluded yourself into thinking that the woman in question was not a slut. I think the reason why people would claim that a woman can simultaneously be an angel and a slut is because PUAs want to have things both ways. Not only must their women have mutually exclusive personality traits, but they also want to condemn sluts while simultaneously taking advantage of them and engaging in the same slutty behavior themselves.

    Nicole

    Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense.

    If you were doing business in a market where people are prone to cheat and lie, you would find out how they make their product look more expensive than it should be, in order to avoid being defrauded.

    Shit tests are ways that women attempt to avoid being defrauded into wasting their time with players and punks who can’t handle life. A man who can’t stand up to a woman is not a man…just like a woman who can’t stand up to a man is no woman.

    You’re confusing shit tests with simply getting to know a person and finding out what (s)he’s all about. Shit tests are designed to find players, not reject them (I guess they have a purpose after all, in the context of game, but otherwise they are meaningless). PUAs pass shit tests while “betas” do not.

    …but we’ll see in 10 years. Whatever I can say is nothing compared to nature. While I just dislike purposefully stupid people, she actually has the power to punish them.

    Do explain how “nature” is going to “punish” me for… well, whatever it is that you think I’m supposed to be punished for.

    Welmer

    I don’t know what you are, but you do share a lot in common with lesbians.

    What do I share in common with lesbians?

    No, your focus is perfectly in line with a lesbian mentality. There is plenty of substance there, and you have offered no alternative besides a few words on this blog.

    The burden of proof is on you, not me.

    LILGRL, are you the same person who once claimed that it’s wrong for men to be attracted to Asian women, or something like that?

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  628. on May 3, 2009 at 5:17 am LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    Thank you. I think I’ve “played” it pretty well so far, haha. I was actually just talking to the boyfriend about how that picture highlights my abnormally large (for an Asian chick) eyes.

    Oh, and I have to give you props on keeping to the integrity of my nom de plume, as other commenters are wont to ignore the all-caps-no-spaces STYLE.

    @ contrarian

    Suffice it to say, I do not think it’s wrong for men to be attracted to Asian women. If you can’t decipher as to why this might be, I probably can’t help you.

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  629. on May 3, 2009 at 5:19 am Welmer

    Welmer

    I don’t know what you are, but you do share a lot in common with lesbians.

    What do I share in common with lesbians?

    Your definitive statements about what women can/can’t be, for one. Dykes always make absolute statements about the nature of women. And then your rape obsession. Nobody is more obsessed with rape than a lesbian.

    No, your focus is perfectly in line with a lesbian mentality. There is plenty of substance there, and you have offered no alternative besides a few words on this blog.

    The burden of proof is on you, not me.

    You have offered absolutely nothing but posts that resemble lesbian theory. I am very open, yet from you there is nothing but your screen name. Don’t try to put any burden on me while you hide in anonymity, pussy.

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  630. on May 3, 2009 at 5:20 am Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””87,
    She should be both.

    A woman of sound morals, good character, conservative family values, physical beauty, inner equilibrium, and vibrant energy.

    And, for her man only, a dirty, low-down, nasty little slut who gets soaked by the merest thought of submitting, belonging completely to her man. She is his property, for him to do with as he pleases.””””””””””””””””

    This is truth.

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  631. on May 3, 2009 at 5:22 am Gunslingergregi

    That was a work of art man.

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  632. on May 3, 2009 at 5:24 am Nicole

    87 says, “Ironically, good “players” usually pass shit tests with much greater aplomb than do “stand-up guys”.”

    There’s the rub. A woman’s ability to tell who a man is, depends greatly on who she is.

    “Perhaps you’re just using “player” in a sense different from the American sense.”

    I mean a guy who is just looking for a hole to dump his sperm into.

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  633. on May 3, 2009 at 5:26 am LILGRL

    Yes, Gunslingergregi, and that reminds me:

    @ contrarian

    “No experience is required, only common sense. How would you propose that a woman can simultaneously be an angel and a slut?”

    See:

    “A woman of sound morals, good character, conservative family values, physical beauty, inner equilibrium, and vibrant energy.

    And, for her man only, a dirty, low-down, nasty little slut who gets soaked by the merest thought of submitting, belonging completely to her man. She is his property, for him to do with as he pleases.”

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  634. on May 3, 2009 at 5:31 am Scott

    Damn, your blog is popular–I’ve never seen so many comments before! There are almost too many!

    Anyway, I totally agree that “there must be clothes in the way.” I’ve had sex very few times (for a bachelor), because I’ve almost always been unlucky with women. But I did enjoy it more, if there were clothes to pull off, layer by layer.

    And women in photos always arouse me more with something on, than with nothing on. The only mag to which I subscribe is “Leg Show”. Unlike those in “Playboy”, “Penthouse”, “Gallery”, and the like, these models are healthy (i.e. not emaciated)! But they’re also wearing clothing, at the beginning of each spread! And sometimes they never completely undress!

    There’s one, in particular, labeled “Heather Gates” (April 2009 “Leg Show”). The heading beneath her “name” reads, “Panty Armor And The Nights Of Frustration”! It took me a while to be able to “fuck” her, despite her indescribable hotness. The reason? She wears a panty that reveals only part of her ass-crack–and never takes it off! But I finally figured it out! I could pull the exposed part down, by brute force–or I could simply (using a knife or pair of scissors) cut the damned “panty armor” apart! And it works–now I can “fuck” her as often as I want!

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  635. on May 3, 2009 at 5:33 am Gunslingergregi

    I think grace and poise and i don’t know what modesty like she puts a towel on when she gets out of shower that covers everything just so you can take it off.

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  636. on May 3, 2009 at 5:34 am Welmer

    LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    Thank you. I think I’ve “played” it pretty well so far, haha. I was actually just talking to the boyfriend about how that picture highlights my abnormally large (for an Asian chick) eyes.

    Oh, and I have to give you props on keeping to the integrity of my nom de plume, as other commenters are wont to ignore the all-caps-no-spaces STYLE.

    @ contrarian

    Suffice it to say, I do not think it’s wrong for men to be attracted to Asian women. If you can’t decipher as to why this might be, I probably can’t help you.

    Eh, lots of southern Asian girls have big eyes, but yours are very shapely, if that means anything to you.

    Anyhow, if contrarian is trying to say being attracted to Asian women is unnatural, she/he/it is just being retarded. I had a couple kids with a nordic woman for my family (as an Asian you probably know how it is), but now that I’m done with the bitch I’ll do what I damn well please.

    Well, good luck with the boyfriend. Happiness is elusive, so get it while you can.

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  637. on May 3, 2009 at 5:34 am Gunslingergregi

    or at least it makes you want to take it off the way she does it.

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  638. on May 3, 2009 at 5:37 am contrarian

    LILGRL

    Suffice it to say, I do not think it’s wrong for men to be attracted to Asian women. If you can’t decipher as to why this might be, I probably can’t help you.

    There was once a user here who identified herself as an Asian woman and argued that it’s wrong for men to be attracted to Asian women.

    See:

    I did see it. It lists two mutually exclusive sets of personality traits. First it lists “sound morals, good character and conservative family values,” but then goes on to say “dirty, low-down, nasty little slut.”

    It just occured to me that this is yet another manifestation of the superficial nature of game. It doesn’t matter what the woman is really like as long as she projects the right public image. As long as she can hide the fact that she is a slut, she isn’t one. Of course.

    Welmer

    Your definitive statements about what women can/can’t be, for one. Dykes always make absolute statements about the nature of women.

    Here’s another definitive statement: women have vaginas. Having said that, am I now a lesbian or like a lesbian? Also, is roissy acting like a lesbian too since he is prone to making lots of definitive statements about women?

    And then your rape obsession. Nobody is more obsessed with rape than a lesbian.

    What obsession?

    You have offered absolutely nothing but posts that resemble lesbian theory. I am very open, yet from you there is nothing but your screen name. Don’t try to put any burden on me…

    Do you not understand what burden of proof means? Should I provide an explanation or can you find it on your own?

    … while you hide in anonymity, pussy.

    What does this have to do with anything? Clearly, the fact that I am anonymous has nothing whatsoever to do with the present discussion. And why am I a pussy for being anonymous on the Internet, anyway? You’re already busy arguing yourself into a corner by making an assertion without being able to back it up, so it’s not a good idea to make more weird and unsubstantiated assertions.

    Anyhow, if contrarian is trying to say being attracted to Asian women is unnatural, she/he/it is just being retarded.

    I was referring to an assertion made by someone else. If you go to the female photo submissions thread you’ll see that I like Asian women very much.

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  639. on May 3, 2009 at 5:40 am LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    As a note, my family is white, with my father being half-Swedish (adoption is a beautiful thing), so the Asian-ness stops at the looks. I thought contrarian (aka TJF?) was all about the yellow fever, anyhow?

    contrarian, do weigh in.

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  640. on May 3, 2009 at 5:48 am Nicole

    Contrarian says, “You’re confusing shit tests with simply getting to know a person and finding out what (s)he’s all about. Shit tests are designed to find players, not reject them (I guess they have a purpose after all, in the context of game, but otherwise they are meaningless). PUAs pass shit tests while “betas” do not.”

    Shit tests, from a woman’s point of view, are supposed to find men with balls, not players. Players pretend to have balls, but really they are just sex addicts doing whatever it takes to get their fix.

    Most women don’t view things this way because they’re still thinking of men as predators, and sex as some kind of violation. Since males generally share that dysfunctional way of thinking, it’s easy to see how both males and females screw themselves in this way.

    Still, this is how the world is. Most people are stupid. Rather than deny the way things are, I choose to accept it, as this is my best solution for preventing that sort of stupidity from penetrating my defenses or my vagina.

    “Do explain how “nature” is going to “punish” me for… well, whatever it is that you think I’m supposed to be punished for.”

    If I told you, you wouldn’t believe me. So I won’t tell you.

    I’ll just tell you that I’ve met guys like you, and dated a couple of them. I wasn’t good enough at the time.

    …but life is a funny thang…

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  641. on May 3, 2009 at 5:49 am LILGRL

    @ contrarian

    I believe the key phrase in 87’s little spiel (the key phrase which you so conveniently left out of your rebuttal) is what ties the “perfect-angel-yet-dirty-whore” conjunction together: And, for her man only.”

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  642. on May 3, 2009 at 5:50 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””Nicole
    87 says, “Ironically, good “players” usually pass shit tests with much greater aplomb than do “stand-up guys”.”

    There’s the rub. A woman’s ability to tell who a man is, depends greatly on who she is.”””””””””””””””

    Nicole this is the falacy. A “player” will lie to get into a womans pants he needs to accomplish nothing in his life to fuck woman. The honest man has to make his real life so awesome that woman are drawn to him through his honesty. But only if he lives up to the players lies. lol what makes life just a little bit tougher for honest men.

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  643. on May 3, 2009 at 5:57 am Welmer

    contrarian

    Welmer

    Your definitive statements about what women can/can’t be, for one. Dykes always make absolute statements about the nature of women.

    Here’s another definitive statement: women have vaginas. Having said that, am I now a lesbian or like a lesbian? Also, is roissy acting like a lesbian too since he is prone to making lots of definitive statements about women?

    Heh, I expected that retort. Lesbos are like men in making definitive statements about women, but the lesbians always use them to make feminist points, like you do. Real women are equivocal about their nature, because equivocation is a female trait. But of course a lesbian would deny this, because she isn’t a full woman.

    So either you’re a huge twat of a man, or you’re a prototypical dyke. One or the other. I prefer to assume lesbian, because the possibility that a man would take your stance is painful to contemplate.

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  644. on May 3, 2009 at 5:59 am Welmer

    LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    As a note, my family is white, with my father being half-Swedish (adoption is a beautiful thing), so the Asian-ness stops at the looks. I thought contrarian (aka TJF?) was all about the yellow fever, anyhow?

    contrarian, do weigh in.

    SWEDISH!!?

    OMG, now you are my mortal enemy. I am part Norwegian…

    🙂

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  645. on May 3, 2009 at 6:04 am contrarian

    Nicole

    Shit tests, from a woman’s point of view, are supposed to find men with balls, not players. Players pretend to have balls, but really they are just sex addicts doing whatever it takes to get their fix.

    Again, it’s precisely the players who pass shit tests, and players wouldn’t know what balls are even if they found them in their pants one morning.

    If I told you, you wouldn’t believe me. So I won’t tell you.

    So I take it that it’s some kind of mystic mumbo jumbo, i.e. meaningless.

    I’ll just tell you that I’ve met guys like you, and dated a couple of them. I wasn’t good enough at the time.

    …but life is a funny thang…

    If you’re trying to tell me that now you are good enough, I can only suspect that we must not be looking at the same pictures and reading the same posts. But I’m not really sure what you’re trying to tell me.

    LILGRL

    I believe the key phrase in 87’s little spiel (the key phrase which you so conveniently left out of your rebuttal) is what ties the “perfect-angel-yet-dirty-whore” conjunction together: And, for her man only.”

    That right there would be the superficiality I was talking about earlier. She is a slut, but when she leaves the house she pretends otherwise.

    Welmer

    Heh, I expected that retort. Lesbos are like men in making definitive statements about women, but the lesbians always use them to make feminist points, like you do.

    I do not support feminism. What “feminist points” have I supposedly made here?

    So either you’re a huge twat of a man, or you’re a prototypical dyke. One or the other. I prefer to assume lesbian, because the possibility that a man would take your stance is painful to contemplate.

    What stance?

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  646. on May 3, 2009 at 6:07 am LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    That’s too bad…and here I was thinking we could be friends because you knew how to properly stylize my name 🙂

    @ contrarian

    There’s a big difference between being a slut and being a slut for you. Or, her man, as I’m not sure you have any such experience.

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  647. on May 3, 2009 at 6:08 am Gunslingergregi

    Let me kick some truth though who the fuck said you have to lie to game woman. You can be the best man in the world but if you don’t communicate that to woman. They will never know.

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  648. on May 3, 2009 at 6:32 am Welmer

    LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    That’s too bad…and here I was thinking we could be friends because you knew how to properly stylize my name 🙂

    Well, I suppose I could forgive the Swedes. Norwegians did, after all, win the infamous meatball/lutefisk battle of 1905 (known in Norway as “the day of meatball aggression”). The Swedes shot meatballs over the border to subdue the Norwegians, but the Norwegians pulled out the deadly lutefisk from their arsenal, firing it from cannon and causing the Swedes to flee from Norwegian territory due to the overwhelming stench, thus allowing Norway to declare independence in spite of Swedish hegemony. It was the first successful use of chemical/biological weapons (lutefisk is both).

    So, as a Norwegian, I will nobly forgive any and all Swedes who offer a sincere demonstration of regret for their rapacity in regards to the annual cod harvest, which ultimately turned out to be their undoing when they learned a grim lesson that fateful day from the deadly rain of caustic fish.

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  649. on May 3, 2009 at 6:41 am xsplat

    Doug

    Oh yeah, “making” (by teasing, goading, daring, making her realize how delighted and proud of her you’ll be) your girl be an exhibitionist is also way hot. Works super well.

    Ya, I was hoping someone would pick up on that polemic offhanded remark I let “slip”. By make, I meant exactly that.

    You can’t force a woman to do anything that she doesn’t want to do. If you tell her to do it and she complies, all you did was give her an excuse to do what she wants.

    And if you DO force something – watch your back.

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  650. on May 3, 2009 at 7:07 am Bhetti

    Welmer: I’m not going to defend myself to you. Yes, they would think I’m a slut/whore. I’d be prone to agree. Nobody’s getting pictures from this slut/whore, anyway. They’d probably burn your eyes with the sheer ugliness, it’s true; I wouldn’t want to subject you to that. Apologies for offending you by pointing out that I thought what you said was creepy. I didn’t think of it as ‘calling you out’.

    contrarian: If you think that thinking there are no quality women isn’t a misognyistic or negative in any way, that is up to you. It’s your perspective and if it isn’t hate-filled, that’s fine. This blog isn’t going to disappear because you keep saying what you’re saying. You’ve got your points across. Really.

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  651. on May 3, 2009 at 7:41 am novaseeker

    Beautiful system, isn’t it?

    If you think about it, however, it’s all about power, and then it begins to make sense. If you make the guy a felon, you can do whatever you want with the kids, cry to the judge, get welfare, etc. YOU are the eternal oppressed victim, which is the most comfortable role for a woman to play, forever.

    It will eventually break down, but only when it has bled the country dry. Women will keep punishing their exes until the final dollar wafts its way into the hands of the last attorney. There’s really no logic about it except the logic of personal destruction.

    Indeed, although I would argue that the rationale, as you say, is simply an aggrandizement of power. As you note, the addition of artificial contraception, coupled together with unilateral no-fault divorce, and Roe basically shifted things to a place that our evolved behaviors could not have contemplated. As a result of that, any semblance of balance between men and women over issues of sex, reproduction, relationships and so on decisively shifted in favor of women — it was, in effect, a huge power grab. While feminists spout about equality, when it comes to the core areas of human life (sexuality, reproduction, intimate relationships), women now own these in a totalitarian way: men have no rights at all in these areas now.

    Clearly that’s not sustainable in the long term. Something will snap, or the system will simply collapse under its own weight, or future reproductive technologies (artificial sperm and wombs) will change the game utterly again. But the current system is not sustainable long-term.

    Game is simply the logical reaction to the current system. It’s a way for men to reclaim some power in a world where the cards have been, one by one, stacked against them over the past several decades.

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  652. on May 3, 2009 at 8:07 am Default User

    contrarian

    You assume that emotions must be calculated and manufactured. They don’t.

    The important point was not about how or why we experience emotion. Whether we manufacture emotions by our actions or whether they just happen is a philosophical question. What is important is that the woman you describe as your ideal sounds completely unemotional and asexual.

    My point was that is not what is likely to be good for you. What is likely to be good for you (leading to a fulfilled relationship) is a woman who is a bit more emotional (and all the stupid “games” that entails) and is a sexual being (like just about everybody else). If you want a real relationship with her then she must be an emotional being. If you want to enjoy sexual relations with her then she must be a sexual being.

    Being sexual does not make her a slut. Being emotional does not make her weird. A real woman, the kind that will light up your life will likely be full of messy emotion and sexuality.

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  653. on May 3, 2009 at 8:23 am PA

    — He’s rather normal and assimilated compared to me,

    Not as much as you’d think. I did mention once that Ace is extremely nervous in any situation that makes him socially uncomfortable, he fidgets, avoids eye contact, etc. He also has a congenital physical condition that though he appears normal at a glance, he is extremely awkward physically, many of his movements appear unnatural, and he is very shakey when distressed (which is often).

    That is probably the root of his o m e g a hood. You don’t notice it when you’ve known him for a while. He was my first friend in the US when I came here in my early teens. The teacher sat me next to him, and his very engaging “guy personality” made it easy for me to befriend him instantly.

    — and with access to alpha male companions, he seems left out in the cold. Plus, given that girls appear to have used him, he’s probably jealous of the alpha males and bitter toward women for using him.

    There is some of that, yes. Interestingly, most of his alpha friends are black. The white alpha friends he’s lost touch with over the recent years, but the black ones like him and they often take trips to Atlantic City or strip clubs together.

    — I’d argue that he’s a perfect candidate for game, and from what you’ve described, he’s just merely an unlucky beta.

    In many ways yes, but for the ailment I described above. That’s probably the reason he insists he’s “beyond the reach of Game.”

    His friend Mike, a former-o m e g a, (who works out at my gym) is trying to get Ace to sign up too, but he’s resistant to the idea.

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  654. on May 3, 2009 at 8:32 am PA

    I don’t know what Welmer’s problem is with OMW and Bhetti. I didn’t follow his spat with the former, but with Bhetti, he just out of nowhere asked her a disgusting question and then called her names. Wierd.

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  655. on May 3, 2009 at 8:48 am Obsidian

    Tood, Welmer,
    With all due respect my brothers, let’s not belabor this. Rich guys, or even very financially comfortable ones, have been able to shelter their paper and bricks for centuries now from those they didn’t want getting their hands on it. The current situation is no different, trust me.

    Its very easy to be a felon and still get paid. Ask Michael Milken or any number of excons. We all know the game, its a combo of what you know, who you know, what they know and who they know. Being a felon aint kept nobody from getting paid. Never has, never will, and for those it does trip up, its because they didn’t have the aforementioned things in place. Think about it.

    Simply put, a Man has to ask himself which is important, his self respect and dignity as a Man, or his material things which are easily recovered. While I cannot speak for everyone my personal position has always been, that its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

    O

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  656. on May 3, 2009 at 9:05 am Obsidian

    PA,
    From what I gather of what you wrote about your friend Ace, his problem is very easily fixed. He keeps telegraphing his interest in girls too soon, puts himself out there on the ACF tip, and the gals easily take advantage of that, as human nature is inclined to do. I mean, if you’re walking down the street and suddenly see a $100 bill on the ground in front of you, what are you gonna do? Pick it up, or cogitate as to who it belongs to? I think its fair to say that the vast majority of us here would do the former and not give much, if any, thought about the latter. That doesn’t make any of us evil or bad, just human. Same deal w/Women.

    Ace has to learn to withold from being “too nice” and falling in love too quick w/Women he doesn’t know well; more than anything, he needs to learn the difference between being socially engaging and cordial and being a kind of doormat. For me, the rule here is simple: I’m not buying *anything* for a Woman I’m not having a seriously sexual relationship with, which for me means I’d have to basically wear it out no less than four times-three times to hook her on the spear, and a security shot. Doing so makes she that she has invested herself in the mosty profound way a Woman can to a Man-only then do I reciprocate. Until then, we go Dutch. That way, neither of us “owes” each other anything, while we decide if we want to move things along to the next level.

    Women are very used to getting freebies, Ace must understand that. But in life there are no free lunches, somebody’s gotta pay. Why should he pay, literally, emotionally and otherwise, for Women who don’t even think about treating him fairly? Ask him that for me, in fact, show him this post so that he may think about it. He doesn’t have to learn Game to keep from being played.

    He just has to recognize and then apply, commonsense.

    Holla back

    O

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  657. on May 3, 2009 at 9:06 am Default User

    Hope

    A person who has gone through such things, achieved “greatness” and developed talents will know a deeper kind of contentment than someone who merely works on improving one dimension of life. This applies to both men and women, in my opinion.

    That one dimension is of vital importance. A man that fails with women if failing at one of the most his most important (from a primal point anyway) tasks. Success in that one area can lead to great things in all aspects of his life. Failure can keep him trapped in an unhappy place of desperation. Women as passive receivers of male attention probably cannot understand this. To you it is just talking, to a man it is life and death.
    [I believe that “approach anxiety” is probably linked to some primal fear of death and our mortality. Probably because failure here amounts to genetic death. You or others might be able to expound on or explode that theory]

    Game simply does not begin to touch on all of the aspects of a man that really matter to me. I love a man who is masculine, gallant, open, honest, loving, sweet, witty, intelligent, sexy, enlightened, wise, who is not afraid of intimacy and emotions, who respects himself and others, who knows love and loves life and happiness.

    Often, men with those traits will be passed over if they do not present themselves well. I can probably tick many of your boxes, but on their own they did me no good whatsoever. Regarding success with women, I have gone from the dregs, the lowest of the low, the stuff that the scum that falls to the bottom sits on, to having moderate success. During that time I was pretty much the same guy. All those boxes I can check now, I could check then. Again, women as passive receivers of seduction (at least the early stages) have the luxury of ignoring game, men do not.

    …Truthfully, because I am somewhat meek and shy outwardly, I do like a more outgoing and dominant man…

    You can be (and appear) meek and shy a man cannot. As you point out even shy girls prefer non-shy guys.

    …A man is not more compassionate or empathic through game, nor is he more able to live in light and love through game…

    Compassionate or empathic men are often just the type to need help in closing the deal. The qualities that are good in forming attraction are not necessarily the same as those for forming a lasting bond. The steps to forming a lasting bond of the type you mention are 1) sexual attraction, 2) emotional connection, and 3) intellectual compatibility. They pretty much have to happen in that order and are certainly (from a romantic angle) going nowhere without sexual attraction. Practice of game says little about a man’s deeper character.

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  658. on May 3, 2009 at 9:10 am contrarian

    LILGRL

    There’s a big difference between being a slut and being a slut for you. Or, her man, as I’m not sure you have any such experience.

    I don’t perceive such a difference.

    Default User

    The important point was not about how or why we experience emotion. Whether we manufacture emotions by our actions or whether they just happen is a philosophical question. What is important is that the woman you describe as your ideal sounds completely unemotional and asexual.

    No, she’s just stable and calm, and not looking for any emotional rollercoaster rides. She isn’t asexual, but neither is she interested in anything beyond vanilla sex a few times a week.

    Being sexual does not make her a slut. Being emotional does not make her weird. A real woman, the kind that will light up your life will likely be full of messy emotion and sexuality.

    No. I absolutely can’t stand it when people cause drama or are being too emotional.

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  659. on May 3, 2009 at 9:15 am Obsidian

    Default,
    Excellent points in response to Hopte. Kudos, sir.

    O

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  660. on May 3, 2009 at 9:19 am PA

    Obsidian, all good comments about Ace, but I’m not sure you had a chance to see my most recent comment about his physical ailment. Do you think there is a way he can overcome this?

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  661. on May 3, 2009 at 9:24 am Bhetti

    Yes, my lovekyo hated it when I cried and reacted even more emotionally after he told me he wouldn’t see me until I decided to be my scientific, sensible self again.

    God, I miss him. He grounded me.

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  662. on May 3, 2009 at 9:33 am Obsidian

    PA,
    I don’t know if you’ve heard of him, but there’s a PUA out of Croatia I believe, a vet of the war there named Badboy. As a result of the injuries he sustained in war, he walks w/a limp and w/the aid of a cane. I hear he’s quite effective at pickup. Another PUA I’ve heard about is deaf. Can’t get more “congenital” than that I think.

    My point is that we all have some kind of flaw or imperfection, but the great thing about being a guy is, Women have a wider pallet on which to determine a Man’s potential attractiveness, and in fact, those “flaws” can be quite endearing because they make the guy unique and stand out from the crowd. And remember, to a Woman all you are is another dick in the crowd until proven otherwise.

    So, I’d say to Ace that he needs to *slow down* and relax. Study people like Obama for example-notice that he never talks fast. Always measured, which gives him the look of being thoughtful, considered and impactful, because of the economy of words such a style entails.

    Same deal w/his movements. Take him to a men’s store where’s there’s lots of mirrors. You and he study his walk, how he gestures when talking, all of that. Women pay attention to these things, and if he can learn to *relax* a bit more, trim down un-necessary movements, quirks and ticks, etc, that’ll go a long way towards solving his problem.

    Men in control do not rush or look harried, etc. Like I told Virgin40 recently, when in bed with a Woman, don’t rush it. Same deal out of bed, don’t rush it.

    This I know from deep personal experience. By nature I’m a very quick person, I talk fast and move fast. But I had to learn that such quick movements can and often does make Women nervous, which makes her feel insecure, which makes her pussy dry up. Uh uh. Not good. I had to learn how to “slow my roll” a bit, at least when around Women.

    Being a kinda high energy guy makes it tough to master thins like this, but I’ve found there are other ways to convey this, which I may go into soon. But the above should help, especially if you can point this out to him, as a good and close friend.

    Oh, and if Virgin40 is reading along-why am I taking time out to help him? Because I realize, that the best thing for any Society is for the majority of its Men get laid often. When they do, there are less murders, less robberies, less rapes and child molestations, just less social instability, all othr things bein equal. Jut about every malcontent you can think of, was going sexless.

    O

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  663. on May 3, 2009 at 9:41 am Default User

    contrarian

    I hope you find what you are looking for.

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  664. on May 3, 2009 at 9:48 am Default User

    Obsidian

    This I know from deep personal experience. By nature I’m a very quick person, I talk fast and move fast. But I had to learn that such quick movements can and often does make Women nervous…
    …Being a kinda high energy guy makes it tough to master thins like this, but I’ve found there are other ways to convey this, which I may go into soon…

    That is interesting as I am the same. I often “get away with it” because it is seen as part of my character (i.e., I don’t believe it looks particularly nervous, quick mind goes with quick movements). But still, slower is probably better (more “cool”).

    I will be interested in hearing your thoughts on “slowing down.”

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  665. on May 3, 2009 at 10:06 am Bhetti

    There’s something really quite merciless and unforgiving about having no tolerance for emotion. The irony is that it seems part of the Gaming principles.

    Being human, male or female, is about emotion and social interaction. Even when being apparently logical, there’s a lot of emotional content in statements like ‘When did I say anything like that?’ [emotional subtexts: you’re not being reasonable or reading properly, you are victimising me, you are guilty of miscommunication] Cutting emotion off — or pretending to — is an outlier, unnatural state which leads to a lot of grief. Controlling it is not the same: calmness is a state that is fought for and human beings can lose the battle. There’re people who live by the principles of reason and clear thought, but a lack of tolerance for something that is evolutionary programming, a key part of social relationships is unfair to them. Every human has their breaking point (tiredness, hormones) and emotional reactions. A normal human being with lack of emotional expression has been dealt blows and conditioning in life that lead to a dissociated state. Affection and expressing it becomes troublesome and bonding more difficult to acheive. Embracing emotion and using it positively is a good thing; no human action that changed the world has been free of it as a drive and motivation.

    A person can’t deal with kids or teens at the very least if they can’t handle emotional situations or emotional beings. Which is a shame, because their state of emotional purity can be a pleasure and give a person a palpable reason to live. Actively rejecting emotion seems like choosing to see in grey in a world that is rich with beautiful, painful colour.

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  666. on May 3, 2009 at 10:18 am contrarian

    Default User

    I hope you find what you are looking for.

    The person I’m describing does not exist.

    Bhetti, there’s a difference between emotions and drama.

    .

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  667. on May 3, 2009 at 10:38 am Default User

    contrarian

    The person I’m describing does not exist.

    Are you willing to make no compromises?

    The imperfect but real other can light up your life in a way that the perfect abstract construct cannot.

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  668. on May 3, 2009 at 10:41 am Obsidian

    Default,
    One can be “quick” in the sense that they can be efficient w/their words and actions, gestures and overall movements, etc. A certain kind of “flow” with it can convey that you are at ease with yourself and those around you, and so on.

    Sudden ticks and jerky movements, lots of “uhs” between words and the like, give the impression that the person is trying to “get it together” and at the very least, looks kinda “off” in some way.

    Its really no big secret or something, just a matter of taking a bit of time out to be introspective, and a wilingness to make a few changes. Talk a bit slower, try to use fewer words, and the words that you use should be those can get right to the point. Walk and move in such a way that limits jerky or quirky movements, at a pace that’s deliberate but not as if you’re about to break out into a sprint any minute now. Guys in control look like it more often than not, they don’t rush around or look like Rainman or something.

    O

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  669. on May 3, 2009 at 10:45 am Comment_Irony

    Hope said:

    I think there is something about the human psyche that is enchanted by the idea of confronting death, overcoming great adversity, and undergiong deeply transformative experiences. What I’m talking about would be things like living in a real third world country for a year, or almost freezing to death after being lost in a snow storm and getting out of it alive, or surviving a very painful and scary brush with cancer, etc. A person who has gone through such things, achieved “greatness” and developed talents will know a deeper kind of contentment than someone who merely works on improving one dimension of life. This applies to both men and women, in my opinion.

    End Hope

    Amusingly enough, the negative men Hope dislikes so much are exactly those most likely to survive such events.

    Isn’t it ironic? Like rain on your wedding day……..

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  670. on May 3, 2009 at 10:49 am Nicole

    Contrarian says, “So I take it that it’s some kind of mystic mumbo jumbo, i.e. meaningless.”

    Oh, no dear. I do not believe that Santa Claus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster saves people from the natural consequences of their actions…or their inaction.

    If I had a personified God concept, it would be Kali.

    “If you’re trying to tell me that now you are good enough, I can only suspect that we must not be looking at the same pictures”

    Your slip is showing.

    “and reading the same posts.”

    I can concede that you may find my personality disturbing, especially in text.

    That is natural.

    However, as they say, if you can do better then by all means do so.

    “But I’m not really sure what you’re trying to tell me.”

    Pray that you never are. To understand what I’m saying, some woman will have to suffer because of you. Then you’d have to suffer the consequences, which will be far worse than what she endured.

    I only wish suffering on those strong enough to survive it. The rest will suffer regardless of what I wish.

    …but in the end, we all die. I choose to be one of those people who leaves behind more than the imprint of my arse sitting complaicantly expecting life to give me something special for being normal.

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  671. on May 3, 2009 at 11:26 am contrarian

    Default User, if I made compromises I would end up in an unhappy relationship, which is worse than being alone.

    Nicole is off her meds again, I guess.

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  672. on May 3, 2009 at 11:34 am David Alexander

    She should be both.

    Of course, that leads one to ask from a sociological perspective, did the men of earlier eras manage to get both a public Madonna and private whore from their women, or was the concept of a sexualized woman limited to the alphas of that period?

    If that’s what you really mean by “shared experiences”, then your problems don’t stop there.

    Yeah, the shared experience reference refers to that. Surprisingly, it makes for great conversation, but I’ll allow you to explain the benefits of the age gap and the problems of “same age” marriages.

    If you make the guy a felon, you can do whatever you want with the kids, cry to the judge, get welfare, etc. YOU are the eternal oppressed victim, which is the most comfortable role for a woman to play, forever.

    I’d argue that it’s not sustainable because imprisonment isn’t cheap, and given the racial atmosphere in many prisons, it only fuels racism by white men who may have experienced beatings and rapes from stronger black men in prison. Of course, thanks to absolutism in laws that lump the blatant dead beat dads who don’t pay anything but can pay with men who for some reason or another simply cannot pay child support.

    Fun Question: Are most judges in family court female or male?

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  673. on May 3, 2009 at 11:39 am Nicole

    Contrarian, whatever pretty lies keep you warm at night…

    However, consider how sane it is to expect to get something deep and undying when you are shallow and fickle.

    Love is too crazy for you. You don’t deserve it.

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  674. on May 3, 2009 at 11:42 am PA

    Are most judges in family court female or male?

    I don’t know the answer to that question. But an impulse to intrude upon other families and get involved in their internal business, especially where children are concerned, seems to be an expression of a female-specific will-to-power.

    Men, it seems to me, even very evil ones, have more respect for the “king of his castle” principle. Women, on the other hand, are more likely to making other people’s personal business their business.

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  675. on May 3, 2009 at 11:52 am Bhetti

    PA: Oh God, the mother’s phonecalls with the girlfriends and their various relationship problems. SAVE US! Still, you do need the collective wisdom to figure out what men want and how to handle them. Because you think it’s simple but it’s actually complex. ‘Be a slut but only for me. Be strong but submit to me.’ and so on.

    Maternal instincts are strong in the traditional ideal of a woman, and the stronger they are, the more likely to overflow to everyone around her.

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  676. on May 3, 2009 at 11:56 am PA

    Maternal instincts are strong in the traditional ideal of a woman, and the stronger they are, the more likely to overflow to everyone around her.

    Women are human, they like power too. And what power is greater than bossing other women around and having a say in their kids’ lives? 🙂

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  677. on May 3, 2009 at 11:58 am gig

    Are most judges in family court female or male?

    gays would also be over-represented there, having the same impulse to intrude in someone else´s life as women

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  678. on May 3, 2009 at 12:00 pm Bhetti

    Oh, wow, PA. I can idealise a woman and not attribute that sort of quality as a motivation. I think it’s quite enlightening seeing the motivation for quite strong interference as a power trip.

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  679. on May 3, 2009 at 12:26 pm David Alexander

    I did mention once that Ace is extremely nervous in any situation that makes him socially uncomfortable, he fidgets, avoids eye contact, etc.

    Yeah, admittedly, I do that too…

    Mind you, since you haven’t fully described his physical condition, I’m hesitant to subscribe to any concept that states that he’s unable to use game. The main reason I’d argue that game is useless for some men is that they reek of aspergerish/autism like traits, or they’re just generally socially clueless or unable to enjoy normal people activities for varying reasons.

    His friend Mike, a former-o m e g a, (who works out at my gym) is trying to get Ace to sign up too, but he’s resistant to the idea.

    When you’re shy and timid, the gym is probably the last place you’d want to go. Partially, it’s due to being lazy, but it can be do to avoiding public embarrassment from both sexes. Nobody wants to be the fumbling novice in front of women or men.

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  680. on May 3, 2009 at 12:40 pm novaseeker

    There are more women judges in family law courts than in most other courts, but there are still more male judges there. Most of them are riddled with feminism, chivalry, or both. In other words, at the same time they criticize husbands for working too hard and not spending enough time with their kids, while in the same breath proclaiming as a some sort of maxim that, of course, children belong with their mother.

    The sex of the judges is not as important as the nature of the system. The system as a whole is a huge industry, a money-making machine for lawyers, psychotherapists, counselors, CS enforcement agencies, visitation supervisors and so on. In order for this system to perpetuate itself, it *must* strongly prefer mother custody, because if the system did not srrongly prefer mother custody, fewer women would seek divorce. In fact, if they were not virtually certain that they would get custody of the children, many women would be much more reluctant to divorce, and the total volume of divorces going through the system would almost certainly decrease, resulting in a substantial loss of income for a LOT of people. Even where presumptions of joint custody have been tried (typically over vociferous opposition from women’s groups), they have lowered the divorce rate — if a woman knows that in divorce she is not certain of retaining full custody, she is much less likely to divorce (at least to initiate it).

    So the sex of the judges is kind of beside the point. The system as it currently stands is deeply invested in mother custody as a means of preserving a steady flow of cases in order to preserve itself as an industry.

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  681. on May 3, 2009 at 12:43 pm PA

    — Mind you, since you haven’t fully described his physical condition, I’m hesitant to subscribe to any concept that states that he’s unable to use game.

    I didn’t want to get too detailed in describing his condition, which incidentally does have a medical term and a Wiki page.

    But I think taken Ace in his totality, he is who he is. If he insists he’s beyong the reach of Game, it’s his call. Obsidian’s comments are excellent, but again, it’s his call. He knows abut Game, looks at Roissy’s blog from time to time, and knows the deal.

    In a way, he is a bit like you in two ways: (1) he withdrew from the world of women and finds substitutes elsewhere, including platonic younger female friends. (2) his alpha friends (black, redneck, younger dudes) satisfy his restless need to always be doing stuff and being around people.

    As far as women go, he gets plenty of play among professionals. And an LTR would make demands upon him that at near-40, he’s not prepared to make.

    I like the rejoinder he recently made to a henpecked-married dude, who was pestering him for being a loser without responsibilities. Ace said:

    “OK, I have an idea. Why don’t we both fly to Vegas next Thursday, spend some cash, and get blowjobs from hot Asian hookers? Oh, wait, I forgot — I have discretionary cash and time. And you don’t.”

    The guy never called him a loser again.

    — When you’re shy and timid, the gym is probably the last place you’d want to go

    That’s what he thought. But I told him two things: there are people in ages from 13-73 at teh gym. No one cares what anyone else is doing. Tons of flabby Herbs and frumpy housewives work out there too. Nothing to be intimidated by.

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  682. on May 3, 2009 at 12:46 pm LILGRL

    @ Welmer

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, there, buddy. You mistake my expression of mild regret over the fate which has befallen our potential friendship with a desire for truce…! Of course you would give in first. Norwegians are weak.

    @ contrarian

    “I don’t perceive such a difference.”

    Then you, sir, are a failure. I would spell it out for you, but I don’t think you’re worth the time.

    “Default User, if I made compromises I would end up in an unhappy relationship, which is worse than being alone.”

    Heeey, contrarian…if you don’t make compromises, you’ll never be in a relationship. I think, by definition.

    @ feministx

    “Ive also not experienced the idea of having sex without thinking about it ahead of time. It seems odd to me to suddenly be having sex with someone that you had not planned on.”

    Really?!

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  683. on May 3, 2009 at 1:02 pm dougjnn

    Tood; Obsidian–

    While some men can get away with going off the grid with regards to child support, many others can’t. A man with a job at a corporation is pretty much screwed, and failure to pay child support is a felony.

    Generally speaking only men whose income is lower middle class or below, and unstable, can do so, and only some lower middle class men can.

    Sure higher end gangsters such as G Manifesto purports to be can as well, but how many of them are there?

    There are others who can be attached but simply aren’t caught up with. Moving a lot helps in that. But what kind of life is that usually?

    The laws must be changed.

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  684. on May 3, 2009 at 1:02 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    ““Ive also not experienced the idea of having sex without thinking about it ahead of time. It seems odd to me to suddenly be having sex with someone that you had not planned on.”

    Really?!”

    Yes, as in sex with a person you had not planned on. I can barely imagine it. If you are already in a relationship and accustomed to having sex, then sponteneous sex is par for the course, I would think. But this story seems to be about a woman that only planned on going jogging and then ended up sponteneously having an affair with a whole new partner.

    The idea that you could just be platonic friends going jogging one second and then fucking in the bushes 2 minutes later is quite odd to me.

    With women, I am usually in control, so I am choosing who I sleep with. With men, I have to really think about it before I sleep with them for the first time.

    I don’t like sleeping with guys, generally, so there has to be a pretty good reason for me to do it. Before the deed is done, there is a long conversation about what his expectations are. I pretty much ask beforehand, “do you think you could marry me and have children with me”. If the answer is “I am not looking for that” or “probably not” or “I can’t believe you are asking me this on date 1”, I am not interested. I seriously want the next guy I sleep with to be the last one I sleep with.

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  685. on May 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm LILGRL

    @ feministx

    Okay, sorry, I took that to mean it seemed odd to have sex that you had not planned, with someone with whom you were already having sex with.

    I guess I was actually looking at this comment:

    “If one’s in a relationship with someone you trust, isn’t it normal to spontaneously let the heat take over? Shouldn’t there be occasional unexpected hormone rushes?”

    Not outside. The only time that happened, we went to the park with the intention of having sex there.

    “But this story seems to be about a woman that only planned on going jogging and then ended up sponteneously having an affair with a whole new partner.”

    I don’t think that’s true, though, at all. I, certainly, read Roissy’s post as being a hike in the woods between two non-platonic partners that ended in spontaneous sex. But…I guess…I could be wrong…

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  686. on May 3, 2009 at 1:10 pm RKO

    “Obsidian” is so on the money with these tips lately. These things have really helped me in the past 2 -3 months or so.

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  687. on May 3, 2009 at 1:10 pm Traveller

    This thread is huge…

    http://www.cup.columbia.edu/book/978-0-231-14664-7/how-women-got-their-curves-and-other-justso-stories/excerpt

    Fascinating article, full of awful truths, such as the following:

    “Picture humanity’s mother studiously going from one sexual partner to the next, maintaining and motivated by unsatisfied sexual tension while transitioning among males, egged on in her search for “sustained clitoral stimulation” by the hope that the next guy will finish what the previous one hadn’t quite managed. Or maybe if she had already climaxed, she might nonetheless be inspired to encounter multiple males by the simple fact that female orgasm is rekindlable (whether this is the right word for the experience is not certain, but it clearly is a bona fide phenomenon). If so, then the ultimate motivation for such behavior would have been the fitness bonus of taking out an anti-infanticide insurance policy, proximately motivated by the prospect of an orgasm. Or several.”

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  688. on May 3, 2009 at 1:11 pm dougjnn

    LILGRL–

    “No experience is required, only common sense. How would you propose that a woman can simultaneously be an angel and a slut?”

    See:

    “A woman of sound morals, good character, conservative family values, physical beauty, inner equilibrium, and vibrant energy.

    And, for her man only, a dirty, low-down, nasty little slut who gets soaked by the merest thought of submitting, belonging completely to her man. She is his property, for him to do with as he pleases.”

    Delicious.

    The eternal beloved girlfriend / wife archetype. At least for men who are themselves sexually up to it, and inspiring enough.

    Eternal for damn good reasons.

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  689. on May 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    ““A woman of sound morals, good character, conservative family values, physical beauty, inner equilibrium, and vibrant energy.

    And, for her man only, a dirty, low-down, nasty little slut who gets soaked by the merest thought of submitting, belonging completely to her man. She is his property, for him to do with as he pleases.””

    Thank you. This was much more arousing than what Roissy wrote for us.

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  690. on May 3, 2009 at 1:25 pm 87

    Doug, Femx:

    Them’s my words.

    Just sayin’.

    —

    I couldn’t imagine a serious relationship any other way.

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  691. on May 3, 2009 at 1:26 pm LILGRL

    @ dougjnn & feministx

    Credit to 87…and his woman.

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  692. on May 3, 2009 at 1:26 pm LILGRL

    Oh, nvm.

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  693. on May 3, 2009 at 1:27 pm dougjnn

    feministx; LILGRL–

    (I like how that sets up graphically)

    Yes, as in sex with a person you had not planned on. I can barely imagine it.

    This is your classic jujitsu attempt, your classic re-spin, not to say disingenuous recast.

    You spoke of unplanned sex outdoors as something you could barely imagine.

    Though you also spoke of unplanned person sex in the same vein.

    What you actually said (found by spending all the time it takes to do a find on “planned” is this:

    I have done it [sex outdoors] but never sponteneously. We knew ahead of time we were going to do it. Ive also not experienced the idea of having sex without thinking about it ahead of time. It seems odd to me to suddenly be having sex with someone that you had not planned on.

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  694. on May 3, 2009 at 1:29 pm dougjnn

    87–

    Them’s my words.

    Just sayin’.

    Ok, ok. Kudos.

    But they were quote approvingly by LILGRL, and she’s hot.

    That naturally drew my focus. 😉

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  695. on May 3, 2009 at 1:31 pm Hope

    Amusingly enough, the negative men Hope dislikes so much are exactly those most likely to survive such events.

    Isn’t it ironic? Like rain on your wedding day.

    /grin

    You believe that those who view the world through a prism of negativity are more likely to survive cancer, life-threatening situations and day-to-day life of third world countries. Surely, you are entitled to your beliefs, and I am entitled to mine. There may be irony in that, but there may also be more.

    The question of ethics in manipulation isn’t one of whether or not to manipulate someone who one encounters and interacts with. It’s whether or not one’s purpose is positive or negative.

    Very nicely stated, Nicole. Intention matters. Those on a positive path understand this, and though they try to avoid using “tools of darkness” they will not shy away from influencing — not controlling — others. In them there is a deep awareness about the distinction between light and dark.

    JAM and Default User:

    The transformative process from lesser beta to alpha is precisely like that.

    Success in that one area can lead to great things in all aspects of his life.

    I see what you have written, and surely they are compelling arguments. They do not change my mind, but I see varying levels of validity in them.

    Suffice it to say that I do not believe that game is “it.” Game is a skin that is prone to falsehood and incrustation, and must be shed sooner or later. Once again, I can only say that I “feel” this to be true, but I do not know it. It is a level of feeling that I cannot fully express with words alone.

    You are free, of course, to disagree.

    Again, women as passive receivers of seduction (at least the early stages) have the luxury of ignoring game, men do not.

    Girls — yes, even meek, quiet and shy ones — are not as passive as you seem to believe. Women are people, too.

    The steps to forming a lasting bond of the type you mention are 1) sexual attraction, 2) emotional connection, and 3) intellectual compatibility.

    I am a mere sample size of one, but I flip your steps backwards. 3 -> 2 -> 1. 🙂

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  696. on May 3, 2009 at 1:33 pm Bhetti

    RKO: It’d be cool if you could talk a little about which of O’s advice or summarise the main important bits that helped you.

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  697. on May 3, 2009 at 1:46 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti —

    Still, you do need the collective wisdom to figure out what men want and how to handle them. Because you think it’s simple but it’s actually complex. ‘Be a slut but only for me. Be strong but submit to me.’ and so on.

    That sounds awfully simple to men.

    I put it to you (acting all British Barrister here for a sec for Bhetti) that the only thing that has made what men really want complicated for women is contemporary feminist influenced culture, as taught in the entertainment media, schools and colleges, and many homes.

    It wasn’t very hard to understand after watching most any classic 1940’s movie for example.

    It’s the attempt of feminist influenced popular culture to make men and women think they want something different in each other than they almost always do that makes things hard to understand.

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  698. on May 3, 2009 at 1:47 pm dougjnn

    Nicole; Bhetti–

    Sorry my immediately prior post was supposed to be addressed to Nicole.

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  699. on May 3, 2009 at 1:47 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “This is your classic jujitsu attempt, your classic re-spin, not to say disingenuous recast.”

    No really. It was just lack of clarity in my writing. Unplanned sex is fine. Unplanned sexual partner- WTF.

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  700. on May 3, 2009 at 1:48 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti

    RKO: It’d be cool if you could talk a little about which of O’s advice or summarise the main important bits that helped you.

    Seconded.

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  701. on May 3, 2009 at 1:54 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian —

    Jut about every malcontent you can think of, was going sexless.

    Unfortunately that really isn’t true. (Although going sexless does make most men, especially if they have considerable sex drive without matching attractiveness to women, malcontents.) Most of the rest in that post was true though.

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  702. on May 3, 2009 at 1:57 pm Bhetti

    doug: I can definitely agree with that point of view. Coming from my cultural view where the women seem to understand this, it’s actually very difficult to apply. Considering the amount of strength they normally display, a lot of respect and conditioning has to be established for their husbands to help them stick to it.

    And very puzzling and frustrating when it doesn’t work. If your man’s just lost interest in you simply because he’s cast you in the role of mother/older age/he has no energy, there’s nothing you can do and all the attempts to please him in the world won’t work. So you may as well keep the hope bright and attempt to rationalise it’s your fault, and if you just change this or that, if you just become more interesting, if you’re sweeter or more understanding, if you help him feel more like a man, things may actually change.

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  703. on May 3, 2009 at 1:59 pm 87

    the only thing that has made what men really want complicated for women is contemporary feminist influenced culture

    Heh.

    What I want is simple … and yet very complicated.
    For some reason, my beloved always seems to get in deep “trouble” for not following my rules.

    Some of the rules are even impossible for her to follow; nevertheless, she’s “responsible” for her inability to follow them.
    When she’s naughty, though, we both benefit… more than either of us had ever imagined.

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  704. on May 3, 2009 at 2:01 pm dougjnn

    LILGRL–

    “Contrarian: I don’t perceive such a difference.”

    Then you, sir, are a failure. I would spell it out for you, but I don’t think you’re worth the time.

    I was going to tell you than anyone who disdains Contrarian is alright by me.

    Then I reflected a half sec and thought better of it. That would be just a tad indiscriminate of me, wouldn’t it?

    Since just who is there on this board that doesn’t disdain Contrarian / TokyoJesusFist?

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  705. on May 3, 2009 at 2:03 pm dougjnn

    LILGRL–

    By the nature of human social dynamics, my last to you will probably incite SOMEONE to find good things to say about him.

    Actually I guess Hope has some. That’s no diss on Hope. I like Hope.

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  706. on May 3, 2009 at 2:06 pm Bhetti

    I love my tokyo. Even if contrarian’s just pretending to be him badly, you can’t say those bad things about him and dishonour his memory. He is the essence of light, truth and clear thinking.

    Leave my tokyoo alooone.

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  707. on May 3, 2009 at 2:07 pm Bhetti

    Sometimes you wonder if this is a domination lifestyle blog in disguise.

    Strike the ‘in disguise’ part, actually.

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  708. on May 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm LILGRL

    @ dougjnn

    “…they were quote approvingly by LILGRL, and she’s hot.

    That naturally drew my focus. 😉 ”

    Thank you 🙂

    “By the nature of human social dynamics, my last to you will probably incite SOMEONE to find good things to say about him.”

    Well, I will give him props on using “Tokyo” in his former pseudonym. Tokyo is the best city in the world. Period.

    @ 87

    “What I want is simple … and yet very complicated.”

    Good luck with that.

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  709. on May 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm contrarian

    LILGRL

    Then you, sir, are a failure. I would spell it out for you, but I don’t think you’re worth the time.

    This doesn’t even make sense.

    Heeey, contrarian…if you don’t make compromises, you’ll never be in a relationship. I think, by definition.

    Fine by me.

    dougjnn

    I was going to tell you than anyone who disdains Contrarian is alright by me.

    Then I reflected a half sec and thought better of it. That would be just a tad indiscriminate of me, wouldn’t it?

    Since just who is there on this board that doesn’t disdain Contrarian / TokyoJesusFist?

    Lame troll is lame.

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  710. on May 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm contrarian

    LILGRL

    Then you, sir, are a failure. I would spell it out for you, but I don’t think you’re worth the time.

    This doesn’t even make sense.

    Heeey, contrarian…if you don’t make compromises, you’ll never be in a relationship. I think, by definition.

    Fine by me.

    dougjnn

    I was going to tell you than anyone who disdains Contrarian is alright by me.

    Then I reflected a half sec and thought better of it. That would be just a tad indiscriminate of me, wouldn’t it?

    Since just who is there on this board that doesn’t disdain Contrarian / TokyoJesusFist?

    Lame troll is lame.

    .

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  711. on May 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm contrarian

    LILGRL

    Then you, sir, are a failure. I would spell it out for you, but I don’t think you’re worth the time.

    This doesn’t even make sense.

    Heeey, contrarian…if you don’t make compromises, you’ll never be in a relationship. I think, by definition.

    Fine by me.

    dougjnn

    I was going to tell you than anyone who disdains Contrarian is alright by me.

    Then I reflected a half sec and thought better of it. That would be just a tad indiscriminate of me, wouldn’t it?

    Since just who is there on this board that doesn’t disdain Contrarian / TokyoJesusFist?

    Lame troll is lame.

    ..

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  712. on May 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm 87

    Good luck with that.

    Love helps those who help themselves.

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  713. on May 3, 2009 at 2:26 pm novaseeker

    Sometimes you wonder if this is a domination lifestyle blog in disguise.

    Strike the ‘in disguise’ part, actually.

    Obviously. Look at the title of the blog. Enough said.

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  714. on May 3, 2009 at 2:28 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti-

    And very puzzling and frustrating when it doesn’t work. If your man’s just lost interest in you simply because he’s cast you in the role of mother/older age/he has no energy, there’s nothing you can do and all the attempts to please him in the world won’t work.

    There’s a lot of value in a culture teaching men equalist respect for women and wives. Not only respect but the need to seduce (game) and sexually satisfy your wife as well as the reverse.

    I hardly reject everything about the more companionate, more equal modern of Western relationships and marriages. I just think it’s contemporary version in the Anglosphere has gone too far. I tend to believe in some kind of balance, rather than thinking the ideal is found at an extreme of some good value (like equality). It may be found quite a long way in one direction compared to historical practice, but I think not at an absolute extreme. Balance.

    As well while most women as well as most men are happiest in a relationship in which the man is for the most part ultimately leading, and in which the woman happily and thrilling submits (with maybe some play reversal sometimes) to him in the metaphorical bedroom, that hardly means that any man can plausibly fulfill this role for any woman. They have to be matched right. Some arranged marriages may do a poor job of this. Though partner choice ones often don’t do so well either.

    Actually, I think it’s pretty hard to have a relationship remain loving in a sexually exciting sort of way for more than four or six years. (There are outliers though.) It can be a companionable partnership with loving and reasonably satisfying sex for life though. That’s possible. It’s not always enough for highly sexed persons, especially when they live in a highly sexualized popular culture.

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  715. on May 3, 2009 at 2:33 pm RKO

    contrarian needs to be banned again because of the multiple posts. Since he’s using some specific method to get around the original ban that foils the blog owner’s attempt at enforcing the ban, and this blog is hosted on WordPress.com (which is an important company) perhaps contacting them directly can lead to some action on this matter. Maybe he will even be banned from all of WordPress.com for doing this.

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  716. on May 3, 2009 at 2:35 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    He [TokyoJesusFist / Contrarian] is the essence of light, truth and clear thinking.

    Leave my tokyoo alooone.

    OMG, what have I done?

    I’ve re-awoken that arch ironical Sybil within our dear hot Bhetti!

    I’m deeply ashamed.

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  717. on May 3, 2009 at 2:36 pm Nicole

    Bhetti, this is why I have a non exclusivity until claimed, and a five year out policy. Because I’m a long term kind of person who attracts others of the same, I understand that everyone (I get involved with) starts out with the best of intentions, but not everyone is truly in it for the long haul.

    My parents knew each other for seven years before they married. They were dating for about 3 of those 7 years. That’s a reasonable time stretch to say that you know and can trust someone within a relationship, but most people today aren’t marrying their high school sweethearts. The guys watch too much damned television, and are convinced they can do better…

    Heh.

    Most never do. None of my old crushes did. I’d laugh if it wasn’t so sad.

    But…since we don’t have that kind of time when we don’t meet someone until we’re 22+, my failsafe policy of 5 year escape clause went into place. No matter what the paperwork is, or how many kids we have, or how much their mom likes me, within 5 years a guy can walk away with zero penalties.

    When I say zero penalties, this means that if he likes, he can forget that I exist, and I won’t remind him. It would be hard on the kids if such a thing were to happen, but I have a dad, two brothers, and many uncles and cousins and stable male friends, and therefore a wide selection of male role models with a vested interest in my and their happiness. So none of mine would do without.

    After five years, I would start to consider us a real couple, but before that hormonal hump is past, I don’t bank on anything. As I told Tokyo, I can go pretty far on good faith, but I know that this world is a hard place to be strong or deep.

    Dealing with people with “tribal” issues here in Israel has basically confirmed my beliefs. They usually last a year or two before they start to waffle and eventually get swept away by the herd. So no matter how independent and great a guy seems at first, give it five years to see if he really appreciates a woman who allows him to be the man, or if he’d rather be a client of whores because it’s easier.

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  718. on May 3, 2009 at 2:43 pm David Alexander

    In a way, he is a bit like you in two ways

    My female friends seem to satisfy that desire to have some acknowledgment from females. You get quite a bit of the emotional benefits, but with very little of the related baggage of being a boyfriend. We have spirited discussions, and with the exception of a few topics that vary from person to person, I’m free to speak my mind. And, yes, they all think I’m smart and wonder why I’m still single. 😛

    In contrast, my male friends and my cousin satisfy that side that needs male friendships. When one has those times that one wants to be crude and talk about porn and jerking off, male friends fill that role.

    As far as women go, he gets plenty of play among professionals. And an LTR would make demands upon him that at near-40, he’s not prepared to make.

    Despite the periodic glances in the Craigslist erotic section, I still have difficulty in trying to see a prostitute. It’s illegality in most of the United States makes one a risk for a criminal record and the attendant legal issues that come with that, and you have to deal with scams by pimps and prostitutes and the disease issues. Maybe in a country where it’s legal, I’d probably be a bit open to the idea, but it still suffers from the fact the she’s only having sex with you for money. It’s just an extension of the whole “beta males are unattractive” hypothesis. Plus, most prostitutes aren’t that cheap, and the “affordable” ones aren’t that good looking.

    As for an LTR, I must admit that it’s not attractive because it kinda does interfere with the “home-work-supportive mommy’s boy with periodic railfan/roadgeeking trip and dinner with non-date” lifestyle.

    Nothing to be intimidated by.

    I’ve considered using the gym that non-date uses since it’s nearby, but I’d prefer to avoid being stared at for potentially being the only black guy in the gym…

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  719. on May 3, 2009 at 2:49 pm 87

    I’ve considered using the gym that non-date uses since it’s nearby, but I’d prefer to avoid being stared at for potentially being the only black guy in the gym…

    “David,” you’re either deliberately obtuse or unfathomably stupid.

    The title “the only black guy in the gym” comes with automatic sex-symbol status anywhere in the United States.

    If you don’t walk around the floor in a way that suggests that you’re apologizing for your presence in the gym, or ever for your very presence on the planet, then You’ll Be Fine.

    Sack up.

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  720. on May 3, 2009 at 2:56 pm contrarian

    RKO

    contrarian needs to be banned again because of the multiple posts.

    There’s nothing I can do about them, and I wouldn’t use xB Browser if I didn’t have to.

    Since he’s using some specific method to get around the original ban that foils the blog owner’s attempt at enforcing the ban, and this blog is hosted on WordPress.com (which is an important company) perhaps contacting them directly can lead to some action on this matter. Maybe he will even be banned from all of WordPress.com for doing this.

    roissy has been in no hurry to ban this user name.

    You’re just whining because you can’t deal with dissent and because you have no counter-arguments against my posts.

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  721. on May 3, 2009 at 3:00 pm Bhetti

    Had mother of a friend go “Well, dear, I hope when you get married you find a man just like your father. He’s kind and loving. He puts up with so much crap from both of us.” They constantly verbally spar, are playful, he’s reliable, hardworking and on external surface typical British ‘yes, darling’ but it’s a subtle thing: the difference between an amused non-malicious lightly sarcastic ‘yes, darling’ and a tired, absent ‘yes, darling’. She appreciates him.

    The skewed worldview can make people forget the relationships they have seen work.

    doug: you’re not ashamed at all, trouble. You are the man our parents have warned us all about. I’m beginning to think you only like me these days for my exotic good looks. Now to look up this reference of Sybil, probably buried somewhere in the last century before I was born.

    I kid, you mean this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499260/
    You could always be referring to a much earlier version.

    Nicole: Yeah, for me, it’ll be the ultimate risk. It has to be loyalty and commitment for life on my part. Will he be bored of me in a couple of years? Worth it for the right man.

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  722. on May 3, 2009 at 3:04 pm Bhetti

    David: Pro-abortion pro-prostitute Catholicism. You should just found your own branch.

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  723. on May 3, 2009 at 3:07 pm Bhetti

    I can see lots of followers for David Alexanderism. Your bride is the Lord and professionals, for you are not the chosen few.

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  724. on May 3, 2009 at 3:21 pm RKO

    “You’re just whining because you can’t deal with dissent and because you have no counter-arguments against my posts.”

    Why would I be here to argue with your posts? This makes no sense. I’m here to read, learn and possibly contribute to the topic, if I am able to. Why would I want to argue with someone I don’t know using blog comments? Only a person with little else going on in their life would want to do such a thing.

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  725. on May 3, 2009 at 3:26 pm Default User

    Hope

    I am a mere sample size of one, but I flip your steps backwards. 3 -> 2 -> 1.

    That is what gets a man caught in the [cue eerie music] Friends Zone. It is what leads to embarrassing moments when the male “friend” makes his sexual interest known after all that intellectual talk. Do you really believe that is how it has worked for you? Have you turned an intellectual companion into a lover (i.e., from John Donne to Don Juan)? I too am a sample of one, but that has never worked for me.

    Game is a skin that is prone to falsehood and incrustation, and must be shed sooner or later.

    Shyness is also a skin. It too is a falsehood because it is a refusal to put your self out into the world. It is most definitely is an “incrustation”. There is a reason we describe someone coming out of his shell. The game “shell” seeps inwards (success breeds success) until it eventually it becomes part of you. The “shyness” shell grows thicker over time until it smothers you.

    Practicing game (a conscious awareness of how I present myself, especially to women) has not changed who I am. However, it has helped me shine instead of flicker in a dark corner. It helped me see that I can use my humor and playfulness (always there) and people will enjoy that. It helped me see that nerdiness itself is not a crime (I can talk about lots of stuff) but being boring is.

    I see game as nothing worse than the preparation a woman does before she heads out. She styles her hair to flatter her face, she wears a dress that flatters her figure. Where a woman needs to care about her physical appearance men need to care for his “personality” appearance. Just as some women need the barest hint of makeup to look good, some men need the barest hint of game. Just as some women need lots of makeup to look good, some men need lots of game. The level of deception is about the same. Think of game as a push-up bra for nerdy personalities.

    Girls — yes, even meek, quiet and shy ones — are not as passive as you seem to believe. Women are people, too.

    Oh yes, I am aware of that. The question is, if he likes her and she likes him, who is going to move everything forward? In that sense the man is always “selling,” with the woman either buying or not. Thus the man has to be always aware of his “sales pitch.”

    I can only say that I “feel” this to be true, but I do not know it. It is a level of feeling that I cannot fully express with words alone.

    Of course you do, you are a NF. 🙂 I too “feel” it as much as “believe” it. Much of what happens in seduction is driven by emotion as much as logic. It is about sub-text not text. I do not really expect to change your mind, but do enjoy the discussion.

    Notes:
    Introversion and shyness are not the same. Shyness is about social fear. Introversion is about low “social energy.” In other words you can lose shyness but remain introverted.

    Any jokes about you being an NF are just that, jokes. Some might accuse me of running cocky-funny game on you, but I know that you would be immune. 😉

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  726. on May 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Default when you tossed the cartman graphic up you do realize you became a new man right. You are now actually bold. Interesting shit.

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  727. on May 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm LILGRL

    @ contrarian

    “This doesn’t even make sense.”

    sigh

    Um, in an attempt to make this very simple:

    slut, in general: completely uninhibited wrt sex, in general
    slut for you, and you only: completely uninhibited wrt sex with you, and you only

    Obstinately refusing to understand anything anyone on this comment board says simply invalidates any truths* that might come from your posts. Of course, I suppose we all bring it on ourselves by indulging your inanity.

    *Yeah, right.

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  728. on May 3, 2009 at 3:47 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti

    I kid, you mean this?

    Yep. Add it to your vocabulary. It’s in reasonably common use. Among the cognoscenti like us that is.

    I’m beginning to think you only like me these days for my exotic good looks.

    Well that doesn’t exactly hurt. But you are rather sharp and playful you know. As well your religiously expected / demanded purity is a mountain of a challenge – and a delightful marital prospect. Or it is when combined with your sometimes climbing the walls hormone and massively impure thoughts driven horniness. I imagine your net and book reading habits don’t exactly help keep your thoughts pure. Delicious and intriguing all that.

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  729. on May 3, 2009 at 3:48 pm David Alexander

    Pro-abortion pro-prostitute Catholicism. You should just found your own branch.

    Eh, it’s easier to be a free rider off current Catholicism than to go through the entire mess of trying to create a super liberal form of Catholicism. Hell, just look at how liberal Episcopalians are puzzled as to why liberal Catholics stay in the Catholic Church instead of joining their sect which maintains many of the same liturgical traditions, but without the stricter conservative morals.

    I can see lots of followers for David Alexanderism. Your bride is the Lord and professionals, for you are not the chosen few.

    As I said, it’s still a hazy issue for me. The problem that I have with prostitution is that the female just isn’t interested in having sex with me outside of her desire to make some money. She isn’t the interested, passionate partner that a man wants to confirm his ego and attraction, but merely a warm physical body to dump off some cum in. Hence why I become upset over the whole issue of women having to be at her husband’s sexual arousal. Why have sex with somebody who just isn’t in the mood? It’s merely a reminder of your inability to attract her.

    And of course, the issue with prostitutes doesn’t include the whole disease issue or the possibility of kidnapped and abused women that turn over all of their earnings to some crooked pimp.

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  730. on May 3, 2009 at 3:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    Was talking to my buddy who is a natural player who does not give a fuck about bitches created by being cheated on by the love of his life at a young age. Anyway he says it is the pretty woman who are the easiest sluts. Every woman he got had a boyfriend and he would treat them like the whores they were.

    He says when a woman tells you she has a boyfriend that it doesn’t mean she doesn’t want you she is just placing an obstacle in the way. All you have to do is remove that obstacle and you can fuck her. When she tells you she is not interested that is different that is concrete. She tells you she doesn’t want you might keep away a player telling a man who is a player that you have a boyfriend as the reason you don’t want to get with him only encourages him.

    Or it is the irony.

    Telling a man you have a boyfriend/committed relationship/husband.

    Will only keep away honest men.

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  731. on May 3, 2009 at 3:54 pm Default User

    Gunslingergregi

    Default when you tossed the cartman graphic up you do realize you became a new man right. You are now actually bold. Interesting shit.

    Hmm! Maybe I should donate it to David Alexander.

    I got bored of the gray abstract art thing.

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  732. on May 3, 2009 at 3:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then he proceeded to prove it.

    He was talking to this whore outside the bedroom. Anyway he says to her they should get coffee sometime. She says I have a boyfriend. He says I don’t mind that. She says he waits for me after work every day. He says That is something you could fix. She says yea your right I could work on that.

    Example of whore outside the bedroom. Will be anyones whore who steps to her with a bit of game. He calls it making a movie and you just let the bitch in your movie.

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  733. on May 3, 2009 at 4:02 pm Tood

    Does Obsidian have his own blog?

    If not, why not? He has both the quality and quantity of content necessary to have a successful blog. There do not have to be daily posts like Roissy does.

    Think about it, man.

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  734. on May 3, 2009 at 4:03 pm kim

    “the only thing that has made what men really want complicated for women is contemporary feminist influenced culture, as taught in the entertainment media, schools and colleges, and many homes.”

    I wouldn’t say this is feminist. It’s maybe a little bit post-feminist, which isn’t actually very feminist at all. I would say if it was really feminist influenced that it would probably be pretty cut/dry what men want from women. However, it’s post feminist media like Sex & the City and Cosmo that are the true culprits.

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  735. on May 3, 2009 at 4:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    He is trying to make a movie like I have he says he wants an honest woman, a good woman, who provides sex and makes the man want to come home. The only problem is he knows how disgusting some woman can be.

    Me I don’t get with woman who cheat on their men. I never had lots of experience with woman who are the lowest denominator. Even though that may be a lot of woman. So guys actually not getting with woman who have men already will protect your own soul from their disgustingness.

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  736. on May 3, 2009 at 4:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Tood,
    Ask Bhetti if he has a blog I think there is a link to an obsidian website on her blog.

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  737. on May 3, 2009 at 4:10 pm schoolboy

    Default user:

    How can i get a picture on the side? I dont like my babyblue checkboard looking shit.

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  738. on May 3, 2009 at 4:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea the london one does kind of suck. I like the one I get on iraqi internet it looks a little more brutal.

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  739. on May 3, 2009 at 4:18 pm Tupac Chopra

    How can i get a picture on the side? I dont like my babyblue checkboard looking shit.

    I’m sorry but you will have to wait until you become one of the Ascended Masters of The Dodecahedron, like Roissy and myself.

    Or, you could go to Gravatar.

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  740. on May 3, 2009 at 4:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Tupoc maybe I will get a composite picture done of all the most brutal dictators in the history of the world as my avatar.

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  741. on May 3, 2009 at 4:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    or bambi either one. Yin and Yang.

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  742. on May 3, 2009 at 4:22 pm novaseeker

    I wouldn’t say this is feminist. It’s maybe a little bit post-feminist, which isn’t actually very feminist at all. I would say if it was really feminist influenced that it would probably be pretty cut/dry what men want from women. However, it’s post feminist media like Sex & the City and Cosmo that are the true culprits.

    It’s funny, because there appears to still be no consensus about that among feminists. Naomi Wolf has an article-cum-book-review in today’s Washington Post where she certainly sees things like Sex and the City as being feminist.

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  743. on May 3, 2009 at 4:38 pm whiskey

    Kim —

    Regarding your assertion that somehow a substitution for monogamous access to a woman can make Men happy and invested in society …

    Look at PA’s pal “Ace.” Is he happy? Is he likely to put himself out for women? Is he likely to have positive views of women? Is he likely to support anything public-policy wise for women and children?

    The answer would be No to pretty much all of them, and get worse later on.

    The problem of Feminists is that they believe that there is a “substitution” for monogamous sexual partnership with a woman for most men. That somehow, most men will be “happy” to live sexless lives taking care of their kids with Alphas in one form or another. That’s feminist Dogma out of Barbara Ehrenreich, and most of the “Third Wave” feminists.

    NOWHERE has this ever proven true in history.

    What you’re likely to see is a measure of thugging it up. Consider the hypothetical “Ace” (not the actual man). What is the easiest way for him to compete for girls? Why, simply take them! Now that’s an extreme that you won’t see in the actual, physical, non-hypothetical Ace, but the tendency among “enough” of that pool of men is “enough” to tip the balance from law-abiding to law-breaking. Desperation, lack of fear of getting caught, no appreciable downside losses can tip that very quick.

    To flip this in feminist terms: what if nearly all but the hottest women were put in burquas, told to go out and mingle with hot guys, but told over and over again that they were not ever going to have sex. How happy would you think they would be with their lot?

    Now give them “superpowers” in the thought experiment, to be as equally powerful as most men. Flood their bodies with hormones that cause aggression. We’ve just described a sizeable portion of men.

    OF COURSE women’s sexuality must be controlled (along with Alpha men). Even in Jane Austen’s time her heroine Lizzy nearly falls for Wickham, the “cad” and despises the suitable Darcy for his stand-offish ways for a good part of the novel.

    Most guys are not going out railfanning like DA to sublimate desires. Or be happy with pr0n.

    The view that women can somehow ‘manage’ the DA/Ace class of men is simply IMHO a social disaster, created by the feminist folly of vastly overestimating the power women have over men they don’t sleep with. Women exert real, measurable power over men in two areas: as wives, and as mothers forming their son’s characters and opinions. That’s it.

    Even PA’s friend “Ace” has largely opted out of trying to compete, mostly out of IMHO bad past experiences that make it impossible for him to view women outside negative parameters.

    Even assuming DA is correct and a goodly number of “non-paternal” events were true, it would still be enough to make society function, as long as it were not known, or there was more control over women’s sexuality (which is the same as control over Alpha sexuality). You could have loss of alimony, social disapproval, majority property to the man, etc.

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  744. on May 3, 2009 at 4:58 pm dougjnn

    Kim

    I wouldn’t say this is feminist. It’s maybe a little bit post-feminist, which isn’t actually very feminist at all. I would say if it was really feminist influenced that it would probably be pretty cut/dry what men want from women. However, it’s post feminist media like Sex & the City and Cosmo that are the true culprits.

    While I agree that the concept of heavily interchangeable sex roles, with e.g. normal stay at home dads and women (and men) who feel it’s fine for women going into a committed relationship or marriage to have been far more promiscuous than their male partners (not just in the extraordinary case but a normal one), permeates so called post feminist popular culture, it hardly originated there. Such things were a central tenant of first wave feminism.

    In fact the only things I can think of that distinguish so called “post feminism” from feminism aside from the fact that post feminism is used to describe current mainstream culture rather than the tenants of movement true believers, is that 1) post feminists take the victories of feminists for granted and tend to think not much more needs to be done other than preservation of gains and cleanup around the edges; and 2) post feminist women tend to be much more related following their gut in the bedroom, and playing actively submissive sex roles and seeking out suitably exciting playfully dominant men, if that’s what most turns them on. (Which it usually is, when inhibitions are melted away.)

    Yes those things are an improvement. It’s something.

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  745. on May 3, 2009 at 5:00 pm Default User

    schoolboy

    How can i get a picture on the side? I dont like my babyblue checkboard looking shit.

    I turned mine off in sympathy because that’s the kind of guy I am.

    Go to: http://en.gravatar.com/ and sign up.

    You will need a valid e-mail address but that is about it.

    Once you have an account upload your picture. When you post here, enter the e-mail you gave gravatar in the Mail box.

    I created my gravatar at http://www.sp-studio.de/

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  746. on May 3, 2009 at 5:03 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Uh ohh. Now I’ve done it.

    I’ve embarrassed you out of here.

    Once again I’m deeply ashamed.

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  747. on May 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm kim

    Novaseeker,

    What is there a consensus about in feminism? Pretty much….nothing, it’s why it will never succeed.

    From what I’ve learned about feminism and post feminism I’d say that Sex and the City is post-feminist, but that’s just my opinion.

    Whiskey,

    Oh, I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I didn’t mean that there was some sort of replacement…I was simply saying that men (I’d assume) need more things than just women. I don’t know who Ace is or what his situation is, so I can’t really comment on what you said about him.

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  748. on May 3, 2009 at 5:07 pm schoolboy00

    Yea i got it but i had to change my name because some jackass stole my name first.

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  749. on May 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm David Alexander

    That somehow, most men will be “happy” to live sexless lives taking care of their kids with Alphas in one form or another.

    I suspect that we may simply move to medium term relationships outside of marriage. The woman may bang alphas, and she basically trades some sex with an beta in exchange for some resources. Since it’s not a marriage, both partners are free to have other sexual partners, and both are free to leave whenever they want.

    Most guys are not going out railfanning like DA to sublimate desires. Or be happy with pr0n.

    Remember, hobbies keep our lives occupied with fun. Porn keeps us sexual satisfied, and as I’ve said before, the average woman pales in comparison to the average porn star in terms of beauty.

    as long as it were not known

    The problem is that we can know since we have DNA testing. She can fake her loyalty to you, be the perfect little stay at home wife, and bang the alpha on his lunch break.

    You could have loss of alimony, social disapproval, majority property to the man, etc.

    Given that you’ve stated that women will date crummy men who rape and abuse their children, I don’t think that anything will stop women who are openly determined to have alpha cock. Quite frankly, I’d rather have women openly bang alphas than lie and insult their beta husbands about their false attraction, and secretly bang alphas.

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  750. on May 3, 2009 at 5:11 pm Virgin@40

    How can one read all these comments?

    New post please.

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  751. on May 3, 2009 at 5:15 pm Hope

    That is what gets a man caught in the [cue eerie music] Friends Zone. It is what leads to embarrassing moments when the male “friend” makes his sexual interest known after all that intellectual talk. Do you really believe that is how it has worked for you? Have you turned an intellectual companion into a lover (i.e., from John Donne to Don Juan)?

    I do believe so, and it is why I keep very few male friends. The “just friends” zone is reserved for those who can only connect with me intellectually but lack the emotional depth and bravery to go where I need to go. I have had numerous crushes and fallen in love with male friends before. It is not a one-time fluke, nor is it something that seems all that uncommon for other women (at least the women I have known). I know enough about self-deception and cognitive dissonance to feel confident that this is indeed how I operate. I simply will not become sexually interested in a man (that is, physically aroused by a man at all) until after we have mutually established a strong intellectual and emotional connection.

    In that sense the man is always “selling,” with the woman either buying or not. Thus the man has to be always aware of his “sales pitch.”

    In my view, initially, both men and women are “selling” or putting themselves for display. The man evaluates the woman as much as the woman evaluates the man. A good woman would not want to be with a man who is indiscriminate, and vice versa, a man of good taste would be choosy with the type of women he will be with. I’ve read that this is yet another thing “game” asks a man to do (turning the tables and make the man also be the chooser). So being choosy is “game.” Being confident is “game.” Being masculine is “game.” Making “game” an all-encompassing semantic catch-phrase is the prerogative of the person doing the defining, but damned if it isn’t tiring.

    Introversion and shyness are not the same. Shyness is about social fear. Introversion is about low “social energy.” In other words you can lose shyness but remain introverted.

    Yes. I am aware of the difference. When I was younger (i.e. before the estrogen started to really flow in me) I was extremely extroverted, and I still have the memory of that as a sort of inner reserve of confidence. According to the test I took not too long ago, I scored 100% introverted, or a very expressed introvert. Incidentally, while I am only moderately intuitive and feeling (NF), I am distinctively judging. Go figure. I am apparently one judgmental bastard.

    Shyness is also a skin. It too is a falsehood because it is a refusal to put your self out into the world. It is most definitely is an “incrustation”. There is a reason we describe someone coming out of his shell. The “shyness” shell grows thicker over time until it smothers you.

    In true intimacy, we as humans are neither shy nor scheming. We simply are. Whether we have a shell made of social ineptitude or a shell made of social bravado, it is still a shell. The “outgoing” shell can smother a person as surely as the “shy” shell. Both cover the deep-seated insecurity and fear underneath. I do empathize quite a bit with men who are shy, as I am also a very shy and socially reserved individual. Social anxiety is a manifestation of fear, and I have this very same fear. I feared taking risks, being hurt, and being rejected. I loathed who I was deep inside, and I did not believe that someone else could truly see inside me — all of me — and not recoil in disgust. I am now able to face this fear, even though I still feel the same anxiety. Knowing that the fear exists and not allowing it to overtake me is taking the first step. I would rather face my fear than create a false doppleganger of myself to “fake it” until I make it.

    I see game as nothing worse than the preparation a woman does before she heads out. She styles her hair to flatter her face, she wears a dress that flatters her figure. Where a woman needs to care about her physical appearance men need to care for his “personality” appearance.

    I do not wear makeup. It feels gross and icky, and it feels like my skin can’t breathe in it. I also always manage to lick off lipstick before the hour’s up. I do not style my hair, and it’s been over a year since I’ve gotten a haircut. I do not dress in the latest fashions. Yeah, I’m a nerd. Similarly, I like nerds who do not mask their true personality with “game.” He used to have a ton of Magic the Gathering cards? Cool. He plays World of Warcraft? Me, too. He wants to talk about advanced theoretical math? Okay, kind of goes over my head, but that’s still neat.

    Love flourishes under trust, openness and honesty. We are already so “fake” with so many interactions in our day-to-day life, our professional life, and often even with friends and family. Why hide behind a shell and create distance with someone that you should love and who should be your best friend and closest confidant? In love, we are open and vulnerable, stripped naked before each other. In love, we must trust that we will be loved for who we are. It is not an easy thing to bare our souls and innermost fears and desires, to accept our own flaws and to in turn accept flaws in others. It is likely not something that someone who wishes to be in complete control is willing to do, but we can learn to let go of that illusion of control. Love does not hurt — we are the ones who make it hurt through our inability to trust, our unwillingness to let go, our own fears, and our projections of those fears. Love is light, it is a beautiful, creative and energetic life force, and it is absolutely, awe-inspiringly wonderful. I wish everyone could have it and feel it and live in it. ❤

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  752. on May 3, 2009 at 5:15 pm novaseeker

    I suspect that we may simply move to medium term relationships outside of marriage. The woman may bang alphas, and she basically trades some sex with an beta in exchange for some resources. Since it’s not a marriage, both partners are free to have other sexual partners, and both are free to leave whenever they want.

    This is what Langley and Baker think will happen: monogamous LTRs being more MTRs, with open sexuality (which benefits women more than their partners, clearly), and mandatory DNA testing to ensure that the biodads at least financially pay for their spawn by a man’s MTR ‘wife’.

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  753. on May 3, 2009 at 5:16 pm dougjnn

    kim–

    What is there a consensus about in feminism? Pretty much….nothing, it’s why it will never succeed.

    It has succeeded enormously.

    What more do you want?

    There sure is a lot less of it that most of the men on this board, betas and alphas alike, would like.

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  754. on May 3, 2009 at 5:23 pm novaseeker

    I know enough about self-deception and cognitive dissonance to feel confident that this is indeed how I operate. I simply will not become sexually interested in a man (that is, physically aroused by a man at all) until after we have mutually established a strong intellectual and emotional connection.

    That’s neat. I think that many men would be happy with that, to be honest. But I do think you’re somewhat of an outlier among women … which is fine, and as I say, preferable .. but not really the kind of things most of us men have experienced when trying that approach (befriending first and then proceeding from there to romance).

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  755. on May 3, 2009 at 5:25 pm novaseeker

    I tend to agree. Feminism has to be the most successful social movement in human history. The whole world turned upside down in a few decades.

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  756. on May 3, 2009 at 5:25 pm kim

    Dougjnn,

    Well post feminism is I guess kind of arbitrary since everyone thinks it means different things. When feminism first started out, the things it was asking for were considered radical, but they aren’t radical anymore because it achieved (sort of) its original goals…post feminism is just embracing them. A feminist today and a post feminist today are very different though, but I guess you could say that what a post feminist today and a first wave feminist were focusing on aren’t that different…however the difference in years is considerable so I guess that’s kind of a faulty way to look at that. So I guess yea, if you look at it that way you could say feminism caused it.

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  757. on May 3, 2009 at 5:29 pm dougjnn

    Hope —

    The “just friends” zone is reserved for those who can only connect with me intellectually but lack the emotional depth and bravery to go where I need to go. I have had numerous crushes and fallen in love with male friends before.

    There’s another kind of “just friends” that can be a lot of fun.

    This happens a lot at work but can happen all over the place. I’m talking about a flirty friendship between men and women where each considers the other sexually attractive and at least reasonably adept at playfulness.

    Mind this doesn’t have to mean that both find the other enormously sexually attractive, just enough and playful. It can occur for example when the age gap is too great. It often occurs when one or both are in committed relationships precluding going anywhere with the flirt friend. Or it can occur when there are work or other reasons why a full sexual relationship would be a bad idea and each flirt friend, or one more than the other, is self controlled about that.

    It’s lots of fun and can definitely stimulate goal oriented co-operation. Hey minor versions of this can happen at a store or restaurant you frequent, and so on.

    These sorts of flirty friendships do often or at least sometimes have the potential for becoming more if the restraining circumstances change or are recklessly ignored, but the point is they don’t need to and don’t have to hurt the friendship side. Usually they peter out with lingering affection.

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  758. on May 3, 2009 at 5:35 pm kim

    Feminism’s goal is for women to be equal with men. With that there are all sorts of side issues like pornography, prostitution, etc. that feminism can’t agree on within itself.

    I think a lot of it has to do that “female” is always a secondary label and people’s ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc are usually given the primary label.

    I’m telling you what I’ve learned from class, etc. Personally, I feel like I have been given the same opportunities that my brother and male friends have been given, but I know there are a lot of people who haven’t experienced that/don’t feel that way.

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  759. on May 3, 2009 at 5:41 pm novaseeker

    Feminism’s goal is for women to be equal with men.

    Stated goal, yes.

    But in fact I don’t see feminism complaining about imbalances in favor of women in areas like college graduation (close to 60% female now), high earning jobs like nursing, numerous academic disciplines that are female dominated, custody rulings female dominated and so on.

    To me, equality is a ruse. Feminism is a female empowerment movement — it will not stop at “equality”, and we know this because it has not stopped at parity in college graduations or addressed itself at all at the female-favored areas noted above (and there are others).

    It’s intellectually bankrupt, really.

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  760. on May 3, 2009 at 5:43 pm Obsidian

    Once again, Dave Alex’s theories have little if any actual basis in fact-what Whiskey has said comes a lot closer to the truth.

    Remember when I openly doubted DA’s staunch “support” for his nondate ladyfriends, should they come up preggers by known asshole-type Alphas? Now, to be clear, DA’s position is that he fully supports taxation, perhaps at a higher rate, to support such singlemoms, rather than to be “taken to the cleaners” by such a Woman in a marriage etc. Crazy premise I know, but there it is.

    Well, my view is that, once another round of deep Welfare cuts goes through (which no one should rule out-the last time it happened was when a Dem was in Office and the country was going through it financially too), I had a hard time seeing DA actually going into his pocket to ante up the loot to such a Woman himself. Now, he’s since said that he would “seriously consider it”. Uh huh.

    My reason for openly doubting him can be seen in Whiskey’s comments-i have a hard time seeing DA actually putting himself out for a Woman, even one that he knows to some degree, who he knows is giving it up and being knocked up by the very guys he claims to be the exact opposite of. Plus, his own stated positions on related mattters have clearly indicated his disdain for such types of Women. But another major indicator to me, is that DA doesn’t want to have to *directly* deal with anything or anyone, at least not for long. Straightup Charity demands that YOU do something, not the state, not “taxes”, YOU. And there’s where I see DA’s warm and fuzzies evaporate. I mean, there’s lots of “nice” Women DA could “help” right now, why doesn’t he? And I’m sure they’ll do him the favor of getting to know him on a purely nondate basis, while they go pop out baby number two by Alpha Baby Daddy Number Two.

    So, what about it Dave? Got a few bucks to spare?

    So, yea, what Whiskey said is definitely on point, Men not invested in Women sexually or otherwise, simply will not support anything that benefits said Women, which first and foremost means, kids. Its one reason why abuse is so high in stepdad homes, because the kid aint his. Why is that so hard to understand?

    The Ehrenreich stuff simply will not work, neither will the Coontz stuff, or the Wolf stuff or the MacKinnon stuff and definitely not the Dworking stuff, just to name a few-and I’ve seen Ehrenreich speak on several occasions, sat in the front row so I can get right from the horse’s mouth as to what she meant. Not gonna happen. She’s delusional, w/all due respect.

    The only real difference DA has, at present, is that he’s a real nice guy, too nice to go off the rails, or so we hope. As Whiskey noted earlier, the vast majority of guys out there ARE NOT DA. And they will act accordingly.

    We gotta think seriously, as a society, about these things, and which is why while not perfect by any means, at least the Game community gives a guy *some* options.

    O

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  761. on May 3, 2009 at 5:50 pm dougjnn

    kim–

    Personally, I feel like I have been given the same opportunities that my brother and male friends have been given, but I know there are a lot of people who haven’t experienced that/don’t feel that way.

    No so much in Western societies. You’re just taught that in college, and in the entertainment media.

    Actually I think women are given more opportunities all the time. They’re generally favored under current Anglosphere elite cultural imperatives and don’t compete fully equally.

    Men are generally willing to work much harder and longer than women are. Sure women will if they really have to, but it’s rarely their preference over the long haul. That’s because work status and bringing home a lot of bacon is much more important to most men’s self image, social image, and woman attractiveness over the long haul, even when the going gets tough and it’s not all fun and immediate job ego gratification, than they are for women.

    Women have a lot of other things and other roles going for them. Women want to be mothers too, far more universally than men want them to be (although most men do want them to be that too). Very few men want to be primary caregivers, and very few women end up continuing to be attracted to husbands who are, after awhile. It’s in fact emasulating, regardless of what feminist theorists say.

    Full equal results for women in the workplace would mean overall much lower status for most men in society than for most women.

    That’s the sort of thing that feminism has never cared about.

    It wants absolute and socially forced (rather than just allowed) equality for women in all things men excel in, and forget about the rest.

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  762. on May 3, 2009 at 6:01 pm dougjnn

    Kim —

    As well men consider money and status far less important in a long term or marriage partner than women do, and her having a lot more of either than him can be a real negative for men. Not so for women, the opposite.

    That alone suggests that if women had equal workplace earnings and status as men, that both would be a lot less happy on average.

    Feminism needs to be partly rolled back. All the affirmative action stuff for example. All the gender sameness ideology, which propagandizes mainstream (white and Asian) boys to be less masculine and aggressive like girls, and girls to be more assertive and even aggressive like men, needs to be rolled back. A lot of divorce law also needs some rolling back or significant changing, for real fairness.

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  763. on May 3, 2009 at 6:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””on May 3, 2009 at 5:43 pm Obsidian
    Once again, Dave Alex’s theories have little if any actual basis in fact-what Whiskey has said comes a lot closer to the truth.

    Remember when I openly doubted DA’s staunch “support” for his nondate ladyfriends, should they come up preggers by known asshole-type Alphas? Now, to be clear, DA’s position is that he fully supports taxation, perhaps at a higher rate, to support such singlemoms, rather than to be “taken to the cleaners” by such a Woman in a marriage etc. Crazy premise I know, but there it is.””””””””””””””””””

    The only problem with him supporting with taxes is he doesn’t pay any.

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  764. on May 3, 2009 at 6:11 pm Obsidian

    Oh yea, I think it was Tood who asked whether I have a blog and if not why?

    No, I don’t have a blog related to these topics, and don’t foresee on coming down the pike anytime soon. Frankly, I got a lot of irons in the life to have to be concerned with maintaining and hyping a blog, and starting one up and not giving it due attention wouldn’t be fair to anyone.

    But, there’s always the chance something could happen in the Fall. We’ll see.

    If I do startup a blog I might come back here and raid the archives for previous posts of mine on various topics to expand upon, or something like that. Again, we’ll see.

    In the meantime, I’ll be here for the duration. Roissy is, I think, a good guy w/some interesting ideas and clearly talented. I wish him all the best in his endeavors. And I like many of the people I’ve encountered here.

    O

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  765. on May 3, 2009 at 6:20 pm PA

    Three unrelated thoughts:

    1) Finns are the most interesting nation on Earth. Here alone, they have a cool-crazy guy like Jaakelli, a normal guy like Markku, and a surreal wierdo like PyongyangKaliFingernail.

    2) Hope sounds unlike her old self before she left this blog; she’s now more inscrutable, and oddly abstract.

    3) I have this feeling… call it a buck’s sixth sense — that if you put all the guys who comment here, including presumed heavyweights like Roissy, Obsidian, and El Guapo, into a room with one girl, the guy who’d be benging this chick by night’s end would be Gunslinger.

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  766. on May 3, 2009 at 6:21 pm Default User

    Incidentally, while I am only moderately intuitive and feeling (NF), I am distinctively judging. Go figure. I am apparently one judgmental bastard.

    A small niggle:
    The J simply means that you prefer to make decisions instead of leaving things open. In technical terms: You prefer using your Judging (decision making) function, as compared to your Perceiving (information gathering) function. So in a way you are judgmental, but all it really means you prefer to make your choices and stick to them. This, of course, is why I will never change your mind (like your fellow J, contrarian). As a Perceiver you will never change my mind because regarding philosophical matters my mind is never made up.
    [Obviously points of principle are different – I am happy to be “judgmental” there.]

    I do not wear makeup. It feels gross and icky, and it feels like my skin can’t breathe in it. I also always manage to lick off lipstick before the hour’s up. I do not style my hair, and it’s been over a year since I’ve gotten a haircut.

    Have you ever thought about trying on a new look? Just for fun. Dress in a stylish, flirty manner, get your hair done, walk with a delicious swing of your hips (maybe you do that already). Just to see what if feels like. Look on it as a nerdy/geeky experiment.

    He used to have a ton of Magic the Gathering cards? Cool. He plays World of Warcraft? Me, too. He wants to talk about advanced theoretical math? Okay, kind of goes over my head, but that’s still neat.

    Maybe I am not a nerd after all, because I do none of those things. I use “nerd” to mean someone that is more interested in abstract, intellectual, bookish type things. Game itself is one of those abstract theoretical things (even if it does have practical use).

    I simply will not become sexually interested in a man (that is, physically aroused by a man at all) until after we have mutually established a strong intellectual and emotional connection.

    How will he know when you are ready for a more physical connection? Because that is the problem with the 3-2-1 approach; how to move from friends to lovers. If he moves too soon he risks upsetting the friendship, if he moves too late he may have missed his moment.

    I don’t have a lot to say regarding the rest other than you are obviously a deep and philosophical person (and good for you). However I did like this bit:

    …stripped naked before each other…

    Even as a fellow iNtuitive it created a nice Sensate picture. 🙂
    [abstraction is fine to a point]

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  767. on May 3, 2009 at 6:22 pm David Alexander

    Yes those things are an improvement. It’s something.

    This references a comment that I made earlier. The idea that what you’ve stated are the goals of post-feminists are the main goals of what feminists originally wanted. In other words, the men weren’t supposed to whither away, but stay strong and alpha like, but they just wanted stuff to do other than being mothers. To a certain extent, Wellesley Queen reeked a bit of that stuff since she wanted a career, but she was willing to give up a career to have kids and be a stay at home mother which ended up being the source of a long argument between us.

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  768. on May 3, 2009 at 6:31 pm schoolboy

    Obsidian:

    Just stop it with DA. Only he can change his unconventional ways. I get that your a brother trying to help a brother…but in his case its useless.

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  769. on May 3, 2009 at 6:34 pm schoolboy

    Default user:

    What happened to your sympathy for your gravatar?

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  770. on May 3, 2009 at 6:34 pm kim

    novaseeker,

    I don’t think it’s feminism that is stopping men from being nurses..

    And I agree that custody rulings are unfairly ruled in favor of women.

    I’d also agree that today, a lot of feminism is just a female empowerment movement.

    dougjnn,

    I see what you’re saying. I’m not sure how much I agree with it, but to each their own. A lot the stuff you said seems to be partially caused by men and women, so it’s really a societal problem. Especially this, “As well men consider money and status far less important in a long term or marriage partner than women do, and her having a lot more of either than him can be a real negative for men.” That’s partially self-inflicted.

    And I guess I can’t speak for all women, but I don’t really think status/money is as important as you may think, at least from my personal perspective it really isn’t a big deal. I’d rather be with someone who is happy with their career but doesn’t make as much than with someone who hates their career but makes a lot of money.

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  771. on May 3, 2009 at 6:35 pm Default User

    PA

    3) I have this feeling… call it a buck’s sixth sense — that if you put all the guys who comment here, including presumed heavyweights like Roissy, Obsidian, and El Guapo, into a room with one girl, the guy who’d be benging this chick by night’s end would be Gunslinger.

    Don’t forget David Alexander. Sometimes it is the quiet ones!

    Or heaven forefend feministx

    No, no I got it …
    … contrarian

    And what is the G Man? Chopped liver (or something suitable expensive foie gras maybe)? Why did he not figure in the heavyweights?

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  772. on May 3, 2009 at 6:39 pm novaseeker

    kim,

    I agree that feminism is not the reason there are few male nurses, but feminism doesn’t *care* about the imbalance. That was my point. It only cares about imbalances in favor of men — ones in favor of women are uninteresting to feminism.

    Hence, and empowerment movement, which I see you agree on — just making a point, though.

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  773. on May 3, 2009 at 6:42 pm kim

    That’s why I said that there should be an expansion in the men’s studies discipline 🙂

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  774. on May 3, 2009 at 6:45 pm Default User

    schoolboy

    What happened to your sympathy for your gravatar?

    Abstract gray/blue just isn’t my color!

    Good to see you got you gravatar up. It is a bit dark though. I cannot really see it.
    [Gravatar messes with the image size. So maybe that has something to do with it.]

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  775. on May 3, 2009 at 6:45 pm PA

    Don’t forget David Alexander. Sometimes it is the quiet ones!

    I was serious about Gunner. I’ve seen this kind of thing happen. I see the way girls talk to him here.

    And what is the G Man

    The G Man would be unavailable that night. Business in Bogota. Then a billionnaire’s wife in Miami.

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  776. on May 3, 2009 at 6:46 pm David Alexander

    I mean, there’s lots of “nice” Women DA could “help” right now, why doesn’t he?

    I only make $12K gross per year. There’s isn’t much that I can do except hand over some money to my nieces and nephews who live in single family homes. Otherwise, if I was making $50K a year (as an example), then I would be able to give more whether to a single mother directly (i.e non-date or some other female friend becomes pregnant, I’d help her) or to a charity that helps single mothers. It’s obviously hard to magically hand over checks to some woman that you don’t know, but when it’s a close female friend that has been supportive, then the boundaries that could create resentment can disappear.

    Interestingly, I suspect that the enemies of the single mothers may be other women. Non-date routinely makes fun of them and calls them lazy and stupid, and another co-worker hates the fact that she pays full price out of pocket for her medicine while single moms magically get Medicaid for merely having a kid. Hell, non-date’s doctor told her that she needs to have a kid in order to secure low cost healthcare, and non-date isn’t interested in being single with a child and unmarried.

    Of course, that evidence is anecdotal at best.

    As Whiskey noted earlier, the vast majority of guys out there ARE NOT DA. And they will act accordingly.

    So, how do we get most men to act like David Alexander? 🙂

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  777. on May 3, 2009 at 6:47 pm novaseeker

    That’s why I said that there should be an expansion in the men’s studies discipline 🙂

    Agree very much. 🙂

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  778. on May 3, 2009 at 6:49 pm roissy

    there should be an expansion in the men’s studies discipline.

    we already have a men’s studies discipline. it’s called the Western canon.

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  779. on May 3, 2009 at 6:55 pm kim

    True..I guess the men’s studies discipline I had in mind would have a little more focus on men who are living today and the society they’re in..?

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  780. on May 3, 2009 at 6:57 pm David Alexander

    Don’t forget David Alexander. Sometimes it is the quiet ones!

    We all know David would sit quietly at home waiting for the report of what happened. Or if he was dragged there, he’d sit in corner playing Solitaire on his iPod Touch. David wouldn’t waste his time with the girl unless she walked over to him, and unless she had nails and everything else David liked, he’d dump her in the friend zone.

    It only cares about imbalances in favor of men — ones in favor of women are uninteresting to feminism.

    That’s because feminism is partially a reaction to Anglo-American society. In other words, it wasn’t about equality per se, but partially about getting women into male-dominated white collar corporate jobs with respect.

    As a side note, a number of people have suggested that I go into nursing given, but I don’t want to be the male nurse that gets called upon to deal with the messes that the female nurses can’t or don’t want to deal with.

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  781. on May 3, 2009 at 6:57 pm Default User

    PA

    I was serious about Gunner. I’ve seen this kind of thing happen. I see the way girls talk to him here.

    I was not knocking Gunslinger’s chances just being silly.

    BTW: Regarding the girl, are you thinking one of the female posters? 🙂

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  782. on May 3, 2009 at 7:03 pm Default User

    David Alexander

    …unless she had nails and everything else David liked…

    If she did, would you be elbowing Gunslinger out of the way.

    I she did walk over, would you make an effort then?

    Or would you wait and offer hugs when Gunny or G Man dump her.
    [assuming G-Man can stall the Miami chick for a few hours]

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  783. on May 3, 2009 at 7:03 pm novaseeker

    That’s why I said that there should be an expansion in the men’s studies discipline 🙂

    Not really though.

    A discipline where we take on gender from a male perspective would be men’s studies. You’ve fallen into the trap of feminism that says all other academic disciplines are men’s studies, and so on, which is not true in the way that femstud is women’s studies.

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  784. on May 3, 2009 at 7:06 pm novaseeker

    Sorry meant to quote roissy there 😦

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  785. on May 3, 2009 at 7:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    I really do have to be carefull when I implement my plan.

    I think woman don’t have souls because they look for their gods here on earth in the form of a man.

    Man cannot find his god here on earth so he looks to the heavens for his god.

    I think a better test would be who can tell their ltr to cliffdive without a parachute.

    Maybe woman get attached through their man to his god in the afterlife.

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  786. on May 3, 2009 at 7:10 pm PA

    In one of my Army units (I was 23) I was in an Alpha clique that included a bona-fide PUA (a guy who had girls gravitate into his orbit just by standing there and smiling), a very good looking, scarily violent guy who changed services from Marines to Army, myself with my own smooth bonafides (one of the periods of accidental alphatude during my 20s), and two or three other guys with alpha gravitas.

    Everyone knew that we are where the action’s at. We were all banging Army girls in our unit.

    Except this 19 y.o. college girl cutie who was training with us for the summer. Think young girly Clio, but with a bigger, sunshinier smile. A vision of purity in lacey little summer blouses. College student in the National Guard.

    Getting her would be a crowning achievement. We all flirted with her, charmed her, let her hang out with us. It was a matter of time before she was banging one of us.

    And to everone’s surprise, she fell in love, and slept with for the rest of the summer, with an unassuming, smallish, friendly, no pretensions to alphatude jokey redneck from Arkansas. That guy had a personality very similar to Gunner’s.

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  787. on May 3, 2009 at 7:10 pm dougjnn

    Kim

    Hey, I don’t expect to convince you about that which you don’t immediately agree with immediately. If you just think about it some from time to time, as things come up, I’d be a very happy camper.

    Especially this, “As well men consider money and status far less important in a long term or marriage partner than women do, and her having a lot more of either than him can be a real negative for men.” That’s partially self-inflicted.

    I don’t agree it’s self inflicted at all. I agree with Roissy that it’s innate.

    Or to narrow it down more, it’s innate that men don’t want their woman to be currently overshadowing them in her achievements and money earning. That’s emasculating and there’s nothing self inflicted about that. He feels it heavily in anticipation of her feeling it. If she’s inherited more money and status than he has, but he’s an up and comer able to multiply rather than squander it, or otherwise do impressive things on his own, then that’s all good, even in our current Anglosphere cultures. (It especially was in more Aristo times.)

    Now if he’s a struggling but presumptively great writer or painter or scientist, and she’s earning more at a profession, that’s an exception that still fits the pattern. But it’s dodgy longer term. Is he REALLY a wonderkind at what he’s creating for no money and so far little recognition? That’s what the dynamic will be all about and if the answer becomes probably not, the tendency for her to become disenchanted and him to feel emasculated are GREAT. Reverse the roles being played by the genders and it isn’t true at all. This is biology mapped onto culture. Yeah that’s always a bit complicated.

    As well it’s almost a truism that girls below 25 or 27 care a lot less about money or wider society social status than girls at or above that age thinking more seriously about settling down. I don’t think that’s all cold rational pragmatism either; I think a lot of it’s innate.

    But girls of any age care a lot about status (with fame being the turbocharge of that). It’s just often counterculture or some niche group status. Though there are always exceptions, and some girls place a whole lot of emphasis on loyalty and deep communication.

    I’d rather be with someone who is happy with their career but doesn’t make as much than with someone who hates their career but makes a lot of money.

    Yes of course. There’s an element of high end servitude to social expectations or perhaps in him imagination that of his SO or wife in the former case. That following rather than leading. Men need to own what they do, or do something else, to be alpha.

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  788. on May 3, 2009 at 7:11 pm kim

    novaseeker,

    Wow, did you just back peddle because Roissy disagreed with you?

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  789. on May 3, 2009 at 7:12 pm kim

    Ah, I posted too soon! My apologies.

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  790. on May 3, 2009 at 7:16 pm dougjnn

    kim–

    That’s why I said that there should be an expansion in the men’s studies discipline 🙂

    More the creation of one.

    But yes I actually agree with this — so long as the foundational intellectuals are from the evo psych, Roissy school of thought on these issues.

    Most of those opposed have assumed that the usual University leftists of one degree or another would be constructing the discipline.

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  791. on May 3, 2009 at 7:28 pm kim

    So I was going to post a link on here to show that it’s already been created…but after looking through the page I decided it would probably work against what I’ve been saying . But yea…it’s out there already, just very small…which means that it can be taken in a different direction…

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  792. on May 3, 2009 at 7:34 pm dougjnn

    PA

    I was serious about Gunner. I’ve seen this kind of thing happen. I see the way girls talk to him here.

    What gunny does here almost entirely is have short stream of consciousness semi random quipping fun. Sometimes the quipping is direct flirting. Supplemented of late by some usually short anecdotes. He’s regularly out of left field and once in a while hits on something deep.

    That’s much more pickup mode than discussing the truth about gender differences, or what works best in pickup, or going into teaching mode about stuff.

    He’s also quirky and never takes anything here seriously enough for it to be quite safe to flirt with.

    Yeah you’re right PA, that stuff can work in real life too.

    You in contrast PA, or Tupac, or G Manifesto or even usually Obsidian rarely or never go into flirt mode here. (Well Tupac did used to play flirt with his unattainable Catholic statuesque and intellectual muse madonna, Alias Clio.) You guys do peacock some or a lot, but that leaves out essential parts of the pickup dance.

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  793. on May 3, 2009 at 7:35 pm David Alexander

    If she did, would you be elbowing Gunslinger out of the way.

    I she did walk over, would you make an effort then?

    I’d oggle from far away, and wait for her to come over, and then based on her personality, I’d determine if she’s worth my time, or if she’s just a cuddle bitch, or if she’s better used as a cum bucket for the alphas. 🙂

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  794. on May 3, 2009 at 7:38 pm dougjnn

    David Alexander —

    That’s because feminism is partially a reaction to Anglo-American society.

    That’s only because it arose in that society, specifically Britain and then principally America.

    It has much more to react against in all other societies.

    It arose in Anglo America society because it was already so woman respecting, and open to female contributions, compared to others.

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  795. on May 3, 2009 at 7:39 pm novaseeker

    So I was going to post a link on here to show that it’s already been created…but after looking through the page I decided it would probably work against what I’ve been saying . But yea…it’s out there already, just very small…which means that it can be taken in a different direction…

    Yeah the ones out there are femstud-for-men type of things.

    A real men’s studies would embrace male perspectives on gender, through evo-psych, cognitive studies, and male critiques of fem stud.

    You’re quite right, Kim, that this is needed.

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  796. on May 3, 2009 at 7:48 pm dougjnn

    Roissy —

    we already have a men’s studies discipline. it’s called the Western canon

    Yes and no.

    The ways in which the Western canon contradict feminism are left implicit, or open to the charge that men only dominated so much in the past because wrong and unfair ideology was in place.

    There is room for a course of study which takes as it’s primary mission directly contradicting and proving wrong unrestrained and unbalanced feminism, just as feminism directly contradicts and seeks to prove wrong historical patriarchy.

    Such studies would draw upon evo psych / sociobiology for one thing. They would also recast much of sociology and anthropology by spot critique and example.

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  797. on May 3, 2009 at 7:50 pm dougjnn

    novaseeker-

    Right. Call it men’s studies so that men can be drawn into indoctrination in radical feminism in greater numbers than they are now.

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  798. on May 3, 2009 at 7:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’m just me Doug,

    And yea if Bhetti wants to when she is done her doctorate and gets a job she can join my family.

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  799. on May 3, 2009 at 7:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    8 hands sounds better than two I already have 4 he he he

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  800. on May 3, 2009 at 7:56 pm novaseeker

    Right. Call it men’s studies so that men can be drawn into indoctrination in radical feminism in greater numbers than they are now.

    Yep, that’s pretty much what we have now — the classic ivory tower bait and switch routine. I hate those bastards. So glad I never became an academic, really.

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  801. on May 3, 2009 at 8:33 pm Bhetti

    doug:
    Yep. Add it to your vocabulary. It’s in reasonably common use. Among the cognoscenti like us that is.

    Why, sir, ahm glad you include me in yer cogno-thingamig but ahm just a 19/20 year old “third worlder” and yer overestimatin’ me just coz ah use meh some pretty words. I ain’t read no Neechi or anythin’ like that. Seriously, however, noted. May as well watch it (or find a novel version if there is one, as well). Thank you, sir.

    Well that doesn’t exactly hurt. But you are rather sharp and playful you know. As well your religiously expected / demanded purity is a mountain of a challenge – and a delightful marital prospect. Or it is when combined with your sometimes climbing the walls hormone and massively impure thoughts driven horniness. I imagine your net and book reading habits don’t exactly help keep your thoughts pure. Delicious and intriguing all that.

    Translation: it would hurt if I cared/”you’re being bitchy”? (Maybe an insecurity talking).

    Damn you for homing in on the vaguely irrational, insecure fear behind that flippancy and laying out that blushworthy, pleasing analysis as reassurance. (You have my e-mail, why do you not use it? Either you’re being a wise gentleman trying not to feed inappropriate affection, an exhibitionist or some combination of both.) You need to settle down and love one woman, because you love them all: you make each and every one feel special. What’s worse is that it seems to be true for you. You love women so but can you make up your mind about which you love the most? Still, I think you’re a rare man (made of dreams) with a wonderful way with words. I don’t get that kind of reaction for being me. They’re more Welmer type reactions, especially in my cultural view, or maybe that’s just what I’m afraid of.

    It’s an interesting point you raise about my Internet habits and literature. It’s a falsehood that in a culture that discourages sex, I wasn’t exposed to it. You do: stories of pregnancy, abuse, rape, disease and so on, all geared towards the ‘don’t do it’ argument. In the UK, it’s everywhere everyday but in a ‘it’s not about affection, it’s about pleasure’ way. Both cultures then don’t inspire a lack of sexual impulse or knowledge but what I believe is a twisted attitude towards it. I can’t control my hormones and they can be activated in situations that aren’t geared towards that: all I need’s an attractive man or a passionate one (even, God forbid, if the content of the passion’s religious in nature). I’m cursed with an active imagination and even if I suppress a thought as soon as it occurs, it happens. I choose to find the best portrayals of sex in terms of tying it with love. I’m pretty much the same anyway, even when I have no time or discussing this piece of gross medicine or that with my alpha Polish friend.

    “Uh ohh. Now I’ve done it.

    I’ve embarrassed you out of here.

    Once again I’m deeply ashamed.”
    Why am I having trouble picturing this?

    Gunny: coming from you, the family invitation’s means a lot. Thank you. I’m not sure how you found that link but that’s a different obsidian. I am loving Def’s posts.

    PA: Gunny’s a legend. He has G’s international flavour too. Any woman who still felt remotely traditional female would so run away with that much male in a room, even if it was just gunny. There is a point where it’s like ‘Okay, something bad’s going to happen and I really can’t handle this’. Doug’s theory about not seeing full on PUA mode for everyone’s valid, however.

    DA: I think you are in love with your ipod. It looks like the honeymoon phase currently. Tell us if it works out and when you inevitably dump her for a younger model.

    David Alexanderism would be so cool. At least do an online version?

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  802. on May 3, 2009 at 8:37 pm db

    you know what? this did absolutely nothing for me.

    you know why? it was written for men. look at the difference in roissy’s ‘graphic’ encounters of his sexual liaisons versus racerX’s (racerx.blogspot.com i think).

    roissy’s always reek of narcissism with a touch of insecurity and an extra portion of bragging. racerX, on the other hand, dear god…

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  803. on May 3, 2009 at 8:37 pm Bhetti

    doug: To be clear, what I have trouble picturing is you being deeply ashamed. I’m going to sleep before my mother decides it’s time for some corporal punishment. The fun of coming home to the bosom of the family for the weekend!

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  804. on May 3, 2009 at 8:42 pm PA

    DB: how ’bout a different flavor — my comment on May 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm? Starts with “First time a chick…”

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  805. on May 3, 2009 at 8:48 pm db

    PA – good start. though spice it up a bit more next time 😉

    pretty spot-on description of that really awesomely awkward first love moment in high school.

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  806. on May 3, 2009 at 8:51 pm PA

    There was no spice. We were 16 🙂
    One night a few months later I thought I was gonna lose my virginity to her, but no cigar (heh).

    She was a good girl. She loved what I did with my hands and did her best to return the favor in her own cute clumsy way.

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  807. on May 3, 2009 at 8:52 pm Default User

    Bhetti

    I’m going to sleep before my mother decides it’s time for some corporal punishment.

    Stop pretending you don’t like that kind of thing.

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  808. on May 3, 2009 at 8:55 pm roissy

    db:
    this did absolutely nothing for me.

    coyness cometh before the swoon.

    you know why? it was written for men.

    dick lit. not to be confused with pyrogenital fetish.

    roissy’s always reek of narcissism

    i plead guilty. *preen*

    with a touch of insecurity

    who you calling insecure? me? seriously? seriously?!?

    and an extra portion of bragging.

    “how do i write about men? i think of a woman and take away humility and circumspection.”

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  809. on May 3, 2009 at 8:59 pm Welmer

    PA

    I don’t know what Welmer’s problem is with OMW and Bhetti. I didn’t follow his spat with the former, but with Bhetti, he just out of nowhere asked her a disgusting question and then called her names. Wierd.

    The two of them are trying to appeal to chivalry. That pissed me off. I guess you could say I’m on a bit of a jihad against that.

    It’s really up to Roissy how he runs this site, but the last thing I want to see is some women come in here and start determining propriety. Game, at least as I understand it, is about men’s priorities and men’s happiness. Letting women dictate things is not anything I’d ever be interested in, and anyway what’s the chance of me or anyone else here getting anything from Bhetti or OMW (who is married, with children, BTW)? What do they contribute besides their feminine sensibility, that dictates that men should be “nice” to them despite their fundamental uselessness?

    Look at Bhetti: She’s a UK Arab female med school student. She’s the poster-child for affirmative action, and yet she spends her time on a PUA blog as a cocktease. What a worthless bitch! Her contribution to the life of your typical American/Western guy is negative, and if some people want to be a white knight because I’ve been “disgusting” toward her, that’s fine. It isn’t like they can call the cops on me for being impolite (at least not yet).

    I save my good manners and compassion for women who deserve it — not for some overprivileged wench who has had the good life handed to her on a silver platter.

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  810. on May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    This is where the rules have changed and you need to be the lion welmer and have the woman work for you.

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  811. on May 3, 2009 at 9:05 pm PA

    I’m with you in spirit Welmer, but I never saw the awful qualities in those two that you’re describing. It doesn’t bother me that they post on a PUA site. To me their comments are a positive addition, though I’ll concede that I wouldn’t want my wife to hang out at this joint.

    (BTW, for the sake of accuracy, my hope of losing my virginity to the girl I described a couple of posts above was a few weeks, not months, after the originally described car makeout.)

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  812. on May 3, 2009 at 9:14 pm db

    lol – touche, roissy. all valid points. besides, it’s not like we ladies are your target audience anyway.

    i forget who gave that quote at the end of your reply…

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  813. on May 3, 2009 at 9:15 pm db

    btw – you know who else has a really hot writing style on here? kick a bitch. now he seems like the kind of guy who’d pin me down and pull my hair.

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  814. on May 3, 2009 at 9:19 pm JerrDogg

    I never really got into the hair pulling thing myself. Doesn’t it hurt? What’s the appeal of that?

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  815. on May 3, 2009 at 9:22 pm Welmer

    PA

    I’m with you in spirit Welmer, but I never saw the awful qualities in those two that you’re describing. It doesn’t bother me that they post on a PUA site. To me their comments are a positive addition, though I’ll concede that I wouldn’t want my wife to hang out at this joint.

    At the risk of getting overly personal, I have a pretty hefty antagonism toward women who fuck around online.

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  816. on May 3, 2009 at 9:30 pm roissy

    db:
    besides, it’s not like we ladies are your target audience anyway.

    i don’t need to target the ladies. they willingly step in front of my crosshairs… supine.

    i forget who gave that quote at the end of your reply…

    jack nicholson said the original quote in the movie ‘as good as it gets’.

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  817. on May 3, 2009 at 9:45 pm Comment_Whatever

    db wrote:

    you know what? this did absolutely nothing for me.

    you know why? it was written for men. look at the difference in roissy’s ‘graphic’ encounters of his sexual liaisons versus racerX’s (racerx.blogspot.com i think).

    roissy’s always reek of narcissism with a touch of insecurity and an extra portion of bragging. racerX, on the other hand, dear god…

    Now, now, db, are you sure most men can handle the truth?

    You want to Detox from your Pedestal Complex, Mr. Ordinary Guy? Then read a female romance novel! Read four! Read then one after another till you are tired and your head is fogged up and your mind goes all punchy with trauma and you start repeating over and over again “Girls aren’t like that! My Girl isn’t like that!”

    It’s helpful to your development, and any additional emotional suffering is a bonus!

    Bonus for who you ask? Ahh….. I don’t know. I mean I told you not to read them all at once and everything, so don’t go blaming me.

    Seriously though…. reading female romance novels will help detox most guys from a whole bunch of garbage that has been put in their mind. Try to read at least four at once, one after another. It works better that way.

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  818. on May 3, 2009 at 9:49 pm novaseeker

    Welmer —

    Grins.

    Something I have thought here too.

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  819. on May 3, 2009 at 10:10 pm schoolboy

    Roissy:

    What thesaurus do you use?

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  820. on May 3, 2009 at 10:27 pm Willard Libby

    db – you know what? this did absolutely nothing for me.

    you know why? it was written for men. look at the difference in roissy’s ‘graphic’ encounters of his sexual liaisons versus racerX’s (racerx.blogspot.com i think).

    roissy’s always reek of narcissism with a touch of insecurity and an extra portion of bragging. racerX, on the other hand, dear god…

    Ladies and gentlemen I give you the literary genius that is….racer x!

    One girl’s vagina smelled so bad that I almost threw up. Another girl had this white goo oozing out of it occasionally which was also pretty gross. Another’s girl vagina had genital warts growing on it. Sometimes blood would come out of someone’s vagina and stain the sheets. Roissy mentioned shit stains one time, but fortunately I never experienced that.

    Sometimes a girl’s ass will smell like shit when you are fucking her from behind.

    One time I was eating a girl out in a 69 position and I noticed toilette paper still stuck inside her ass crack. That killed the mood.

    Another time I stuck a finger a girl’s ass and gas came out. It did not make a noise but it smelled like a noxious fart. She was probably holding in a fart while I was eating her out. Another girl once told me she was afraid she would fart while I was eating her out.

    Another girl actually did enjoy farting in my face while we were in bed. I will never forget the sight of her pantied crotch puffing out when she farted right in my face. She liked farting all the time and would comment on the smell. She also enjoyed taking a shit right in front of me in the bathroom. If only I had known this about her on our first date…such little secrets people keep.

    A tampon string sticking out of a girl’s vagina is always soo attractive. I once saw something on TV about “vaginal discharge”. I heard it was when a girl releases all the mucus stuff in her vagina into her panties during the course of a day. Is this true? I heard it was involuntary and it cleanses the vagina.

    Multiple extended LOLs!

    More evidence to confirm David Alexander’s worst nightmares.

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  821. on May 3, 2009 at 10:42 pm Tood

    “…the guy who’d be benging this chick by night’s end would be Gunslinger.”

    Really? Why? Many of his one-line comments are unclear. He’d do OK, but not be at the very top.

    My money’s on El Chief.

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  822. on May 3, 2009 at 10:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is why I like to talk about a woman who is feminine. Yet I can eat her on her period and the shit is still clean. Freakish right.

    Wow Williard that is why when you can find a woman who is modest you keep her. If racer hasn’t had shit on the bed he hasn’t fucked a woman in the ass more than once. If she can go through that and still be feminine and still be gracefull and still be a woman who can be cherished and protected. Then you keep her.

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  823. on May 3, 2009 at 10:47 pm Willard Libby

    And there’s more ……………

    And after seeing some of the more disgusting images on “Guess Her Muff” I am never having sex again. One very disturbing image of a varicose veined vagina will never leave me, will haunt my darkest dreams for the rest of my life.

    And all the floppy vaginas and mutant looking breasts and grannies trying to look young. What is wrong with our society? Old people are not sexually attractive. Most young people are not. Hell, even joining the Taliban is looking good right now.

    We need to keep women covered up. For their own good as well as our.

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  824. on May 3, 2009 at 11:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’d put money on Roissy for the one day event. I am more of the over time kind of guy. I think I would win the cliff one though he he he

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  825. on May 3, 2009 at 11:37 pm Welmer

    novaseeker

    Welmer –

    Grins.

    Something I have thought here too.

    Yeah, don’t worry novaseeker — I’m not about to punk out for some online petting.

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  826. on May 3, 2009 at 11:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    This is only going to help me. Since I really do plan on multiple woman. So seeing shit like guys coming out woodwork is a good thing. So in the future I know how to handle it.

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  827. on May 4, 2009 at 12:45 am Gunslingergregi

    Seeing social dynamic in action. It has evolved. Cool.

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  828. on May 4, 2009 at 1:04 am Gunslingergregi

    So really guys like hearing about woman getting pumped and dumped because they still have a chance with her.

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  829. on May 4, 2009 at 1:30 am sara I

    Wow.

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  830. on May 4, 2009 at 1:33 am whiskey

    DA —

    1. You are probably at LEAST >130 IQ. Your word choice, language, grammar, etc. all speak to a very high IQ.

    So raising men’s IQ to be “like you” is unlikely to happen.

    2. You’re also the classic “emo-type” or the predecessors, the “goth guy” or the “Morissey strategy” of writing endlessly emo stuff in the hopes of using what you have: VERY high IQ, emotional sensitivity, high verbal/written ability, to win over some Goth girl, vs. the mainline male strategy of testosterone fueled dominance.

    As a niche strategy it has it’s uses. While it’s low payoff for each girl, the wider population pretty much ASSURES you’ll find a real date girlfriend. It’s the classic “sneaky f–er” strategy pursued by a whole host of animals to sneak in beyond/behind larger, dominant males.

    By definition, however, niche strategies don’t work for most men. There’s just not enough room.

    Kim — while men may need more things than women, they need women FIRST. If you want men to be at all invested, in a stable way in society, each man must have a relatively “fair and free” chance at monogamous relationships with a woman, that is naturally exclusive.

    That’s the “necessary but not sufficient” requirement for men to be invested. Otherwise … you create a class of men who’s entire goal is to overturn all of society so they can have a woman, exclusively. Violent or not they don’t care.

    The “MTR relationship” model already exists. It’s called the Ghetto Black community. Illegitimacy there is over 90%, and constant thug-competition for women in the Ghetto Black community drives most of the “senseless” violence there. It’s not senseless, it’s entirely predictable. It’s why I blogged about Pitcairn Island and what happened AFTER the Bounty Mutineers got to Pitcairn. They all killed each other (but one) over the women. Duh.

    [Intriguingly, the Black nationwide Illegitimacy rate is 70%. Couple that with the 60% Ghetto / 40% Middle Class split and you get a Black Middle Class Illegitimacy rate of around 40%. Significantly higher than that of White Peers but not as out of control as Hispanics, who went from 17% to over 50% nationwide from 1980 to 2007. I just don’t see any bigger data possible that screams how important it is for most people to grow up in a nuclear monogamous family. A few outliers like say, Sarah Michelle Gellar or Freddie Prinze Jr, both relatively high IQ and extremely good looking, can grow up in single-mother homes, but most of America will neither be as smart or as good looking or as disciplined as those two.]

    My guess is that the future is going to be pump-and-dump, zero investment as Obsidian noted, by men in women and kids, lots of status-competition among men, low trust levels all around, men pushing towards the most macho displays to bag the most women, not caring about any of them.

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  831. on May 4, 2009 at 1:41 am dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Damn you for homing in on the vaguely irrational, insecure fear behind that flippancy and laying out that blushworthy, pleasing analysis as reassurance. *** You need to settle down and love one woman, because you love them all: you make each and every one feel special. What’s worse is that it seems to be true for you. You love women so but can you make up your mind about which you love the most? Still, I think you’re a rare man (made of dreams) with a wonderful way with words.

    Come closer you cleaver girl. Closer …

    Bhetti–

    I don’t get that kind of reaction for being me. They’re more Welmer type reactions, especially in my cultural view, or maybe that’s just what I’m afraid of.

    You’ve developed both fans and respect here Bhetti. It seems to me that Welmer is just trying to find any hook to use to dig into you after you responded negatively to his pointless slur on “what Muslim women do to men”. Please. Overall I think he like a number of other betas here is working on his feeling of confidence and mastery with women by crudely slurring them. Young adolescent boys go through a stage like that too if society will let them, for the same reasons. There are reasons why people don’t do the counter attacking and defending you’re used to. I definitely feel like doing it (when it’s uncalled for) when I read close enough to real time but don’t always, esp. for girls that have been here a while and have a sense for the place. Let it roll of your back. He’s teething. Yeah I know it isn’t pleasant.

    Read what Welmer himself says just above are his principal reasons for attacking you. They don’t involve any deep insights into who you are or really insights at all. They’re about irritation that any woman would dare to “try to set standards on a men’s PUA site” (criticize him) or he imagines you’re getting British AA benefits and having success “handed to you”. (Not something I’d say most people would say about doctors who go through their really tough course work and skills training and pass their exams.)

    He’ll now probably attack me for supporting you. *Yawn*.

    Don’t worry about having developed a prickly demeanor to real life betas pestering you for pickup or wanting to lash out at you when you show disinterest in their attempts. In some cases you can spend a few moments being pleasant but a bit distant. But if they become pests or had nothing at all to offer to begin friendship or school colleague wise to begin with, porcupine away. But switch to a different mode when interacting with men that are attractive to you. Even if you aren’t going to do anything about it, you need to practice. Just be receptive and flirty in e.g. the smart alec style you have here when you want to.

    I’m cursed with an active imagination and even if I suppress a [sexual] thought as soon as it occurs, it happens. I choose to find the best portrayals of sex in terms of tying it with love.

    Interesting that you are self aware enough to say “chose to”. Interesting but not surprising to me. Anyway, you really are prepping to be great wife material aren’t you?

    I’m pretty much the same anyway, even when I have no time or discussing this piece of gross medicine or that with my alpha Polish friend.

    Do tell ’bout this alpha Polish guy.

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  832. on May 4, 2009 at 1:46 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea whiskey your shit is truth now I know that If I get stranded on an island with some dudes and chicks just start killing the dudes lol

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  833. on May 4, 2009 at 1:54 am Nicole

    Welmer says, “I save my good manners and compassion for women who deserve it — not for some overprivileged wench who has had the good life handed to her on a silver platter.”

    I know spoiled. I grew up as the poor Black version of it, which isn’t really spoiled. It’s called “saditty”.

    Saditty girls’ parents usually didn’t have alot of money, but they struggled hard to get what they have, and are either extremely resourceful or well educated or both, and sacrificed alot for their kids. They were raised with good manners, and to keep their legs closed or at least be very discreet and selective about it.

    We come in three flavors: overachiever (Bhetti), slacker-businesswoman-closeted-overachiever (me and probably OMW), and overachieving whore (Roissy’s worst lawyer nightmare).

    Our brothers also come in three flavors: overachiever, WoW/pern addict (DA), and alt/grunge star (Fred Durst) or rappers/producers (Lil Wayne) after some time in the joint for punching a cop or something else incredibly stupid.

    (…because they’re male versions of us, arrogant with little regard for authority, who internalized more of our parents’ struggle, and act out.)

    Growing up, under the circumstances, our parents were heavy on the corporal punishment and/or guilt and mindgames. Results vary.

    In other words, we generally come from long lines of alpha type people who would not allow whatever circumstances they were born into, to keep them down. From time to time, whatever genes make us dominant also pop out an independent thinker who is sometimes literally tortured through childhood and their teens.

    They don’t all wear their scars out in public. Think about that next time you call someone an “overprivileged wench”.

    Some of us earned our privileges in blood.

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  834. on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 am db

    lol… willard you can’t deny the guy has a gift with words. i’m deeply saddened that his hedonistic pursuits have been temporarily stalled, but i’m confident he’ll return to his m.o. in due course.

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  835. on May 4, 2009 at 2:10 am David Alexander

    You are probably at LEAST >130 IQ. Your word choice, language, grammar, etc. all speak to a very high IQ.

    Something must be wrong. I really don’t have a long reply explaining how it’s not true. It’s almost as if I’m accepting a compliment. Hell, even the old retort of “if I was so smart, why can’t I learn complex idea X or Y or remember Z” isn’t even working…

    You’re also the classic “emo-type”

    So in other words, I’m just an emotional fluke that could eventually luck out?

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  836. on May 4, 2009 at 4:25 am Welmer

    You’ve developed both fans and respect here Bhetti. It seems to me that Welmer is just trying to find any hook to use to dig into you after you responded negatively to his pointless slur on “what Muslim women do to men”. Please. Overall I think he like a number of other betas here is working on his feeling of confidence and mastery with women by crudely slurring them.

    Oh great, now we have sir dougjnn cruising in for the rescue.

    Have fun jacking off to Bhetti’s pics, Doug, ya big alpha hero.

    Nothing like a “woman in distress” to bring out the inner pussy in men.

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  837. on May 4, 2009 at 4:31 am Virgin@40

    Well… about miss California… Something Peagent or whatever:

    After all she’s not a seven at all: She’s a nine.
    A body close to ten but… her face is somewhat vulgar and flawed. She’s a nine, although her face could be a little better.

    No miss El Salvador would do better than her. I think that now.

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  838. on May 4, 2009 at 4:32 am Welmer

    They don’t all wear their scars out in public. Think about that next time you call someone an “overprivileged wench”.

    Some of us earned our privileges in blood.

    You take it too personally. Bhetti is a whore. She is gaming men on this site and sending (putative) pictures of herself to men who stroke her ego. This is online prostitution. Not that there’s anything out of the ordinary about it, but it reminds me of guys in China who would call their favorite whores “little angels” even as they were sucking and fucking any dick that came their way.

    BTW, this is a particularly middle-aged weakness of men. dougjnn has taken it upon himself to come to Bhetti’s rescue, even though he isn’t even getting laid out of the deal! Just shows that male idiocy is probably incurable.

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  839. on May 4, 2009 at 4:48 am rpg

    ” Feminism was “supposed” to do lots of things for men, according to it’s own PR.

    It just hasn’t.”

    It did. It made it possible for a woman to claim a man raped and/or assaulted her, forced law enforcement to take her word over his, put him in jail, under this : http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/Feminist_jurisprudence
    force the man to prove he didn’t do it and, make it easier to put him in prison and destroy his life. I know, I am a victim of a false accuser and the system that allowed her to commit crime(s and get away with them.

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  840. on May 4, 2009 at 4:49 am rpg

    I am now seriously contemplating suicide. Yes, feminism did alot for me 😦

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  841. on May 4, 2009 at 4:55 am Welmer

    dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Would it be typically female if I asked you why you’re so interested?

    Yes.

    But since you’re so hot and proved it to me with pics, I’ll tell you.

    Mild flirting. Even though I’ve since confessed to being 102 and you’ve confessed to being 20. What’s 1/5 my age to stop me?

    comment link

    Admit it, dougjnn, you’re just going after me so that you can get some more pics of Bhetti’s hairy, Arab ass (where’s Peter when you need him?).

    Good luck tapping that, alphaman!

    LOL.

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  842. on May 4, 2009 at 6:07 am casualrapeisnotalaughingmatter

    “She balked, unconvincingly. No no no I don’t think this is a good idea. Ignoring her, I drove it in hard hoping to make her yelp in pain”

    this speaks for itself.
    you make me sick.
    what turns you on is not outdoor sex. it’s not the thrill of a risk. it’s not hot women.
    it’s violating, dehumanising, punishing and dominating a woman.
    if a woman says no, listen. stop to consider this.

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  843. on May 4, 2009 at 6:16 am Bhetti

    Welmer:
    The two of them are trying to appeal to chivalry.
    No man has ever come to my rescue. I am on my own, my brother can eventually come through but he’s too busy being gay and my dad doesn’t give a crap what it takes and doesn’t particularly want me to be married. I’ve had to rescue goddamn beta British males in Arabic countries from bullies, often women.

    Let me tell you a story:
    I get here to this country and I’m new to it. A boy gives me a rant in class about how ‘You’re new here, you have no right to speak to me, you’re taking class resources we don’t have and you can’t come in here saying anything’ (Basically saying: you immigrant). What did I say to him that provoked such a reaction? ‘Could we do some work, please?’ when we had a group assignment. Oh, he was using the resources afforded to him, sure he was.

    Who was the witness to the reaction and said absolutely nothing? A male and female who called themselves friends. The guy asked me out later, despite all the preemptive ‘I’m religious, I don’t date’ talks. Chivalry? As if.

    Someone says this crap to my face and we’ll see who’s playing victim.

    last thing I want to see is some women come in here and start determining propriety
    Propriety? That is the last thing I’d want to determine on here. I’ve already apologised for the ‘creepy’ remark offending you, but heaven forfend I try to help anyone out by pointing out that some things are just plain wierd. I’m thinking positively and assuming some men just don’t know when they are. Other men don’t point out some crap which seems to include being odd. You addressed me first and I’m not going to take the crap you dish out silently just because you think I deserve it for simply being here.

    Look at Bhetti: She’s a UK Arab female med school student. She’s the poster-child for affirmative action, and yet she spends her time on a PUA blog as a cocktease. What a worthless bitch! Her contribution to the life of your typical American/Western guy is negative, and if some people want to be a white knight because I’ve been “disgusting” toward her, that’s fine. It isn’t like they can call the cops on me for being impolite (at least not yet).

    I save my good manners and compassion for women who deserve it — not for some overprivileged wench who has had the good life handed to her on a silver platter.

    All the assumptions you have there are complete bullcrap. You don’t know anything about my family or me, or how hard we’ve had to work to get where we are. Immigration wasn’t cheap or easy for us, and we’ve had to work against the system not with it. We’ve used up a lot of life savings. You don’t know what crap we’ve survived or what wars we’ve been through.

    You assume that an American policy of affirmative action works exactly the same in a medical school in London. I’ve seen this poor white male you seem to think is being discriminated against and they invariably successfully blag their way back into the medical course, after justifying with their charm how they should resit because they spent most of the year drinking and going after women instead of paying attention to their course that they defeated so much ‘foreign’ competition to get.

    I work harder than a lot of people (who’re white, black, yellow, salmon) and come out top by a square mile. I’ve sacrificed a lot in my life, including a lot of my own culture, to try and understand the people I’m going to help heal. TO be competent, to acheive, to be a good person. I’ve gotten up early in the morning, to take my own time to go into the hospital early, to observe people taking blood because I’ve heard the ‘don’t let the doctors take blood from you’ complaints. Above and beyond, no benefit to me except possibly learning it early enough that I could volunteer to take blood samples in a bone marrow donation clinic, for kids with leukeumia.

    I’ve already done research, to try and help find out how to help children with mental problems, how to help them better. These children are a lot of the time, products from broken homes. Guess what the research showed the main ethnicity is, despite the ethnic diversity of the area? White British. I’m going to be doing research in the future.

    You may not believe me when I sincerely say this: I hope to God you never have to benefit from any research I do (or the medical profession does) and live a healthy life. I sincerely hope to God for this for you and your progeny. I am still more likely to be of benefit to you than most random people on the Internet. Your assumption that I have no positive contribution to make is wrong.

    I’ve seen the people who vote for the British Nationalist Party: they’re welfare state families who can’t manage their own underacheiving ways, blaming it on foreigners. They’re the ones expecting life to be handed to them on a silver platter. They’re the ones who have been born here, with every oppurtunity given to them and are blaming their crap on someone else.

    I’ve paid the price for all this. My family’s paid the price for all this. Nothing’s for free. We’ve paid it in happiness, in finances, in familial seperation, in violation to our culture, to our pride as people. We’ve made a point not to take benefits and work like honest people.

    I want to understand people. I don’t want to dislike them or the male gender. I want to find out the truth. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t flirt in real life. This is not my world. Which is why it’s imperative I understand it, and which is why this is the only outlet for it. My priority is my career, not some romantic fantasy I can only farfetchedly acheive. I owe it to myself to try in my spare time and get over my trust issues or me questioning my judgement, which is what the experiment with doug and doug only was about. He knows, better than anyone (re:’challenge’) how unlikely it is for him to get anything out of it is. If he gets a sexual thrill out of looking at me fully clothed, he damn well deserves it better than any man I’ve encountered who’s seen me in the same state in real life.

    Fuck your generalisations: about my culture, about women ‘fucking around online’. I’m in this country, which is wonderful but unappreciated by its own countrymen. You’re having a personal jihad against thoughtcrime.

    Slut?! I can’t even masturbate!

    Still, God forbid you think I’m asking you to be polite or nice. Continue, for this is the place to do it indeed and show your true colours to the most important person who needs to know: yourself.

    doug: Maybe it’s the wise thing was to say nothing. But damn me if I’m going to be a doormat today. I need to get used to yelling occasionally so that I can go ‘Stuff your time-in-hospital targets, NHS. This man needs to be monitored overnight!’ Alpha polish guy: Awesome man. Honest about what he wants. Top of the year, perfectionist, has to get his way, automatically takes over in any situation and got a familial ‘Well, didn’t you just pick the most attractive guy in the year to be friends with [but he ain’t Arabic and I’m worried]?’ Appreciates my moments of absolute silliness. He needs a nice Polish Catholic female to be happy and I’ll ensure that if I have to drag her down the aisle my self.

    It’s going to be upsetting when he moves on in life and I won’t have his company.

    Nicole: It’s in moments like this that your insight frightens me. There’re some things I draw the line at talking about.

    I don’t take any of this for granted and try not to exploit my parent’s militant desire to make sure I have everything (they think) I need in life.

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  844. on May 4, 2009 at 8:06 am Nicole

    Welmer, it’s kind of difficult not to take these kinds of things personally. That broad brush you paint with would cover me too.

    Just because I was flavor #2 and not flavor #1 doesn’t mean those kinds of comments don’t sting from reopening old wounds. It’s your right to think of or even call either of us as a whore if the shoe fits your personal definition, but you should take care not to “assign malice where stupidity will suffice”.

    IMO, her mistake was and is giving half a crap.

    Our personal lives, backgrounds, and looks are relevant to some degree here, but there’s a point when criticism becomes kvetching. When you crossed that line, she should probably have just called you out for being catty, or left it. It’s never a good idea to try to prove one’s worth to someone who thinks you’re worthless.

    Let them think whatever they like. At the end of the day, not a cent has been removed from her bank account, nor an hour from her day because you think she’s a whore.

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  845. on May 4, 2009 at 8:26 am dougjnn

    Welmer said—

    Oh great, now we have sir dougjnn cruising in for the rescue.

    Have fun jacking off to Bhetti’s pics, Doug, ya big alpha hero.

    Bhetti needs no rescuing as she amply demonstrates just above, but your damn right I’m going to support her after attacks from a pathetic and resentful beta loser like yourself. I like her. She’s a board friend. Occasionally we mildly flirt and other times just discuss. Try it sometime, rather than seething in jealousy and pathetically begging Bhetti to send you pics too, repeatedly. Actually I noticed that you were starting to get some slight tinge of a flirt thing going with LILGRL, ‘til you blew it, predictably.

    Yes bros should stick together Welmer. You’re not remotely my bro.

    Of course I’m going to support her as my online friend. All the more so when you toss out gratuitous insults out of the blue based on nothing – or was it jealousy because she sometimes mildly flirts in a smart alec sort of way with Gunny and myself but never you (wonder why – let me, or better Bhetti count the reasons) :

    Bhetti, is it common for Arab girls to lay hold of a man’s parts and handle them roughly while he is sleeping? I’ve been curious about that for a while.

    To which Bhetti mildly responded to you, considering the unprovoked race baiting:

    Welmer: Seriously, you creep me out sometimes. I know of no such convention or tradition.

    Just what woman do you think you wouldn’t creep out with that sort of remark Welmar? Is that your idea of “negging” game, you ‘tard?

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  846. on May 4, 2009 at 8:32 am dougjnn

    Welmer –

    Bhetti is a whore. She is gaming men on this site and sending (putative) pictures of herself to men who stroke her ego. This is online prostitution.

    If anyone had any doubts that you’re incredibly sexually frustrated that would put them to rest. She is in fact the kind of hot VERY good girl you wish you could attract.

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  847. on May 4, 2009 at 8:33 am dougjnn

    Welmer –

    Admit it, dougjnn, you’re just going after me so that you can get some more pics of Bhetti’s hairy, Arab ass (where’s Peter when you need him?).

    Good luck tapping that, alphaman!

    Again with the pictures of Bhetti that she won’t send you. Again. Then you fail at your attempt to insult what you want so much but can’t get. It’s too ridiculous – both in you’re blowing up a small thing and your tantrums afterwards.

    Unlike yourself Welmer, I’m not from hunger. I pity your inability to comprehend that flirty or lightly flirty friendly banter with hot and intelligent girls can be fun. I’ve got the tapping very well covered.

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  848. on May 4, 2009 at 8:43 am dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    doug: Maybe it’s the wise thing was to say nothing. But damn me if I’m going to be a doormat today.

    Naah, bravo!! Great tough girl performance. Not that he’s worth it, but there are other impressionable betas around.

    Alpha polish guy: Awesome man. Honest about what he wants. Top of the year, perfectionist, has to get his way, automatically takes over in any situation and got a familial ‘Well, didn’t you just pick the most attractive guy in the year to be friends with [but he ain’t Arabic and I’m worried]?’ Appreciates my moments of absolute silliness. He needs a nice Polish Catholic female to be happy and I’ll ensure that if I have to drag her down the aisle my self.

    That’s GREAT. It’s great for you to have a friend like him. Practice various kinds of flirting with him — while at the same time you let him know it can’t REALLY go anywhere. Well it sounds like you already are. That silliness comes from happiness to have him as your good friend. It’s a kind of involuntary (maybe) girly flirting. Good for you for letting yourself. You go girl.

    I’m cross at you though.

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  849. on May 4, 2009 at 8:52 am Default User

    db

    you know what? this did absolutely nothing for me…

    So when are you going show us how it should be done with an entry on your blog? I am sure you have a least one story to tell.
    [You can spice the story up if you want. It is a blog, you are not under oath]

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  850. on May 4, 2009 at 9:03 am Bhetti

    Nicole: Well, you’re right but if I’m just pissed and saying my piece gets it out of my mind, gets me used to remember standing up for myself. There’s only so much conflict avoidance I can do. I’m the type of person who in real life would rather say ‘yes, ok’ than belabour the point, so it ain’t normal.

    doug: Why’re you cross at me, love?

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  851. on May 4, 2009 at 9:10 am dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Re the flick the referent Sybil comes from. I only glanced at your link, without realizing it was to the remake.

    No the use of the term started way before the 2007 remake. It’s the 1976 Sally Field / Joanne Woodward version that it comes from.

    BTW it’s commonly used to accusatorily describe the different names someone might use in posting on the same board, especially if that person tries to covertly change their purported beliefs or persona, for various reasons darkly imagined. Each screen name is a Sybil for the same person.

    I can’t vouch for how good a movie it is; I’ve never seen it. Just heard the term and found out where it’s from.

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  852. on May 4, 2009 at 9:18 am dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    doug: Why’re you cross at me, love?

    You promised to tell me if such as Polish alpha showed up in your life, or even a higher beta with alpha teachable potential.

    So do me a favor now ‘kay? Stop worrying about being too prickly or bitchy to annoying betas that pester you, as some kind of predictor of how you always act around men.

    You’re not acting that way around alpha Polish guy are you? And you get him to be your very good friend! Seems like he doesn’t think so.

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  853. on May 4, 2009 at 9:36 am dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Nicole: Well, you’re right but if I’m just pissed and saying my piece gets it out of my mind, gets me used to remember standing up for myself. There’s only so much conflict avoidance I can do. I’m the type of person who in real life would rather say ‘yes, ok’ than belabour the point, so it ain’t normal.

    You did good. Very good. It’s very important to know you CAN bat down attacking jerks of either sex when that’s the way to go, and even to get some practice at it in marginal situations. Then from a place of equanimity you can let more things roll off your back without them actually taking a piece out of your self esteem – because you know you COULD easily have let them have it if you’d wanted to / it was worth it.

    Of course Welmer’s gonna try for comebacks against both of us. *Shrug*

    That makes all the difference.

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  854. on May 4, 2009 at 9:37 am dougjnn

    Last two sentences are in reversed order.

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  855. on May 4, 2009 at 10:49 am Obsidian

    There’s been some mention of Roissy, El Guapo, Gunny, G-Man and myself a little while back; in a follow-up post, my name was mentioned again, this time w/PA in the mix, having to do w/not flirting w/the ladies in he room, if you will. An interesting observation (particularly the peacocking part, lol), and I thought to add a few observations of my own.

    In that I see this as a kind of “gentlemen’s club” of sorts, my intention was to never “flirt” w/any of the ladies here, not that I see anything wrong with that in and of itself. People meet online all the time now, in fact I know people who *only* will “meet” in that fashion, and I myself have done the same thing over the years. So I really don’t have a problem w/Doug and Bhetti, for instance, flirting back and forth. I don’t really consider it any of my business, and hey, who knows, anything can happen; if it does, I say good on them, they’ve found each other. Were all of us so lucky.

    As to the question of certain ladies here who are a kind of “tease” here, I honestly don’t see it that way at all; I think the Women I’ve seen here are here, because they’re interested in what makes Men tick, and let’s face it, Women are drawn to Men in groups talking about things. I’ve observed this many times over the years, going as far back to when I was a boy. At any rate, if any of these Women can learn something that makes their love lives better, then I’m all for it. More understanding of each other is what is needed, not less.

    I’ve just read the most recent exchange between Bhetti and Welmer, and wow, I don’t know what to say. I personally just don’t see it as all that deep to begin with, and am hoping things cool out soon.

    As for who would “win out” in a pickup “contest” btw me, Gunny, El Guapo, Roissy and G-Man, I’d say a lot depends on who the gal is and what the circumstances are. As a rule I’m not a terribly competitive guy when it comes to gals, mainly because there are so many to begin with, and usually the gal has a pretty good idea who she wants anyway. If I don’t get any fever from her in any major way, starting off w/eye contact, I’m laying in the cut and wishing my brothers the best of luck. Who knows, Gunny just may be The Last Man Standing afterall.

    The Obsidian

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  856. on May 4, 2009 at 10:50 am Comment_Whatever

    I personally know a woman whose son killed himself after his wife divorced him, took his kids away, and basically destroyed his life.

    Dougjnn, is that more or less bad that the dark deeds of the dastardly Welmer?

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  857. on May 4, 2009 at 11:00 am Nicole

    Yeah, but there’s a *way* to deal with jerks. I prefer to go about it in a way that doesn’t pollute the sample.

    I am what I am, and they are what they are, and nothing either of us says about the other can non consensually change that, ideally.

    If someone believes that I can be non consensually changed (esp. reduced) by something they say, then that reveals that they are a person who believes that people can be forced to internalize insults…and perhaps they themselves do not have the requisite will to resist them.

    It’s like when you fire a shot, you run the risk of revealing your position. So less is more.

    The question to ask when you answer a jerk should be what’s in it for you. Once they decide to be an ass towards you, they’ve automatically opted out of your giving a flying fart about them or what they think. The good faith agreement between people in a conversation has been broken.

    They’re asking to be privy to your darker side by revealing their own. So it is not unethical to, in a public forum, basically use them as your puppet monkey to demonstrate what happens to people who try to screw with your dials.

    So I choose to approach these things according to what’s in it for me. If I need a virtual punching bag that day, or if some self promotional good can be served by responding to them, then I do. If not, it’s not worth the bother.

    Another problem I have with dealing with people like that too mercifully is that sometimes it makes them think about things they can’t comprehend anyway, and simply alerts them to the existence of people who think differently for very good reasons. For some people, the belief that any rational person would believe as they do, is important in harm reduction.

    If no midwife ever argued with a doctor, many mothers would have died, but many mothers died during the witch hunts. It’s hard to make the call about a lesser evil, so I’m just putting my perspective out there.

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  858. on May 4, 2009 at 11:19 am Nicole

    …and honestly, I think Welmer’s just having a bad, low tolerance day.

    Though I wouldn’t call Bhetti a whore by any stretch, I do see things in her that would and should make a non Muslim guy less sympathetic, and a Muslim guy wonder at some point if it’s him she loves, or his status.

    I’ve been on both sides of the social convenience issue as the socially convenient wife and the socially inconvenient bitch. It’s something that I survived with a degree of my sanity intact likely only because I’m female.

    Guys I know who go through this become progressively more hostile towards tribalist women in particular, even if they maintain a sort of surface level like-culture preference. A good bit of that preference often stems from the exploitation that others feel they are entitled to wreak on others.

    My eye twitched a bit reading about the alpha Polish guy who is great but just not Muslim.

    Bhetti, you might not be a whore, but you’re staring down the barrel.

    …but then, aren’t we all in our way? I resist choking a guy until at least the third time. 😉

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  859. on May 4, 2009 at 11:22 am Tupac Chopra

    I am what I am, and they are what they are, and nothing either of us says about the other can non consensually change that, ideally.

    But on the inside you are crying.

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  860. on May 4, 2009 at 11:36 am dougjnn

    Comment_Whatever–

    Dougjnn, is that more or less bad that the dark deeds of the dastardly Welmer?

    Since you’ve been around for awhile you know perfectly well how I’d answer your question.

    So what exactly?

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  861. on May 4, 2009 at 11:40 am Nicole

    Tupac says, “But on the inside you are crying.”

    Perhaps somewhere deep down, the infant safely tucked in loving arms, who believed in the goodness of man the millisecond before tasting her own mother’s blood and tears, is crying.

    Now she never cries from the evil that people do…only sighs and licks her lips.

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  862. on May 4, 2009 at 11:43 am Bhetti

    doug:
    You promised to tell me if such as Polish alpha showed up in your life, or even a higher beta with alpha teachable potential.

    I’ve known him since starting. He’s a friend and not a prospect. Still, I don’t know if he’s going to forgive me for comitting ‘movie adultery again’ after I went to watch Wolverine with a different group of friends, forgetting I was supposed to watch it with our group which includes him. It’s not the first time I’ve done it 😉 Joking aside, I think he views me as his little medical protégé. I’ve had to dissuade him from matchmaking for me.

    Out of curiosity, did I actually promise that?! I remember discussing it but not promising. No clue. I have messed up majorly if so and need to remember these things. Still, I’ll let you know since it is the kind of thing you want to know. (Stop pretending you’re not only checking out the competition).

    So do me a favor now ‘kay? Stop worrying about being too prickly or bitchy to annoying betas that pester you, as some kind of predictor of how you always act around men.

    You’re not acting that way around alpha Polish guy are you? And you get him to be your very good friend! Seems like he doesn’t think so.

    It’s true, I wouldn’t dream of abusing him or for a moment think he’d even let me get away with it. Unless it’s the unintentional movie adultery. It just happened.

    she sometimes mildly flirts in a smart alec sort of way with Gunny and myself
    Def should be included in this listing. I’d love for him to teach me a thing or two about Cascading Style Sheets.

    Nicole: I sometimes lose sleep over things I shouldn’t.

    There’s a time to ignore or deal with it subtly and there’s a time to let it out because it’d be worse to leave the poison inside. I think I’ve demonstrated the points I wanted to; I feel good about it. Only I know best the sum of myself.

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  863. on May 4, 2009 at 12:20 pm dougjnn

    Nicole–

    Yeah, but there’s a *way* to deal with jerks. I prefer to go about it in a way that doesn’t pollute the sample.

    No.

    There are a number of ways of dealing with jerks. It’s good to have many of them practiced up and in your repertory. People will then adopt their own style with the confidence of options, and as well match different ways to different situations.

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  864. on May 4, 2009 at 12:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Bhetti kept her femininity nice 🙂

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  865. on May 4, 2009 at 12:50 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Out of curiosity, did I actually promise that?! I remember discussing it but not promising. No clue. I have messed up majorly if so and need to remember these things.

    Yes indeed. You’re a very bad girl Bhetti. Now what shall I do with you?

    Still, I’ll let you know since it is the kind of thing you want to know.

    Better girl.

    (Stop pretending you’re not only checking out the competition).

    Sassy bitch.

    I think he views me as his little medical protégé.

    Good. Perfect actually. Lots of advantages to that. Both student wise, given what a wizz he apparently is, and otherwise. Lots of fun sexual tension is more than possible between quasi mentor and protege. It also provides a semi stable excuse for the close friendship that doesn’t logically/socially require going way forward sexually or parting ways.

    Curious, does he have a gf? Is he dating? Does he flirt with other girls too that you know of? How jealous do you get, regardless of whether you have a “right” to? If so manage it, under these circumstances, and don’t stand in his way. Even plot with him. That sounds like the page you’re on with you’re “see that he gets with a hot Polish Catholic girl even if I have to drag her down the aisle”. BTW, what if he wants to kiss you? Does he think that much is out of the question for your pretty good Muslim self? (Welmer and Bhetti, avert your weird on Bhetti standards eyes.)

    I’ve had to dissuade him from matchmaking for me.

    Ummmm. If he should happen to know or run into an unattached (or weakly attached) alpha Arab Muslim guy …

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  866. on May 4, 2009 at 1:10 pm Bhetti

    Nicole: I like to think it’s more than just ‘status’. It’s about what I’ve found out I’m compatible with. Not understanding the Arab family, my religious beliefs or being unable to understand the conflicts I was having with them has led to a lot of miscommunication and disappointment. I deeply appreciate a non-Arab non-muslim male but there’s a whole side of me that formed the most deepest of my identities he can’t commune with. It’s best to maintain distance from that, where I can understand him but he can’t understand me or where I come from. Re: Polish friend. I respect him as a man. He does me proud as a friend. We’re both not what we want from life and I can’t picture living with him even if The World suddenly decided that was ok. We’d both try to make each other something we’re not still and I want my man to lead me in all ways, that includes religion and culture. I don’t want to be led in the wrong direction, or have to constantly rebel, or be cutting off a part of me from his and vice versa. Plenty of men in our social circle are non-muslim in all but their labels and that’s not what I want.

    There was a point in life where I wanted to abandon my religion but could not find anything in science nor literature nor other beliefs to dispel my core inner belief in it. It’s who I am and whether because of God or myself, I always get punished if I violate its tenets. I love my language, my family, the positives of my culture and the cohesiveness of the Arab sisterhood. My intention is to live up to them and it’s something I’m gradually doing to make sure it stays permanent.

    I really hope it isn’t about the superficialty of having to limit myself because of family pressure. Experience has tried to teach me otherwise.

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  867. on May 4, 2009 at 1:11 pm Nicole

    Doug, like I said, it’s just my perspective. I prefer not to overthink these things, and let nature do the sorting. I haven’t lived their life, and I don’t know what they’ve been through, and at the point they start messing with me, I don’t really care.

    Not caring means not caring. I don’t need them to like me or realize that I’m worth something. I just need them to not do anything that would take money out of my account or harm me in some way that matters. Aside of that, like I said, answering them is about what’s in it for me.

    Now I can understand needing, as Bhetti said, to let the poison out. Sometimes it helps the overall situation if people at least know who they’re talking to. It might lead to peace, or at least an understanding of what it is they’re fighting.

    You could use my exchanges with Roissy as an example of some arguments that I considered worth having. It’s just that at the point when the kvetching becomes shrill, I have a bad karaoke reaction. I’m not going to shout someone off the stage because that would make me look bad, but if someone offers me a recording, I’ll decline.

    I also understand that, as Obsidian put it, this is a “gentlemen’s club”. It’s also not my blog. I’m a guest here, and in predominantly male company, and should expect the language to be harsh.

    I’m here to represent mostly myself, and partly the homely girls who might not be so hot, but believe in death before dishonor when it comes to relationships. So I know that to some degree I’ll be resented and perhaps even despised because the western pussy brigade resents the fact that content like this doesn’t come in a “10” package. It can’t unless that “10” was all her life surrounded by “15’s” who actively hated on her.

    So I’m doing the online equivalent of bringing beer and throwing in an anecdote here and there, and very occasionally a little pepper to remind the guys that we’re not here to be your stepping stones to the unicorn-I-mean-10 with a heart of gold.

    …and that’s about it.

    I expect to see alot of anger from guys who still insist that they are unique and special snowflakes. If I couldn’t handle it, I wouldn’t be here.

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  868. on May 4, 2009 at 1:11 pm dougjnn

    Nicole–

    Bhetti, you might not be a whore, but you’re staring down the barrel.

    ????!!!

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  869. on May 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm Nicole

    Bhetti please spare me the excuses. I’ve heard them all.

    What it boils down to is your level of independence. If you want greatness, you can’t get that from being normal. Normal just gets you normal problems, a normal life, and a normal guy with the normal dysfunctions.

    On the other hand, freedom is not free of problems either. You then have abnormal partners with abnormal dysfunctions.

    So freedom is not something to pursue unless you believe that owning yourself is worth more than anything. This can be a very lonely road to travel.

    You have to decide what’s worth the most to you. Pick a path and walk it. Don’t pick a path and then complain about the fact that the trees along the path you’re walking aren’t as tall as the ones you didn’t.

    “There’s still time to change the road you’re on…”

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  870. on May 4, 2009 at 1:26 pm dougjnn

    Nicole–

    I also understand that, as Obsidian put it, this is a “gentlemen’s club”. It’s also not my blog. I’m a guest here, and in predominantly male company, and should expect the language to be harsh.

    I know that’s how you are here and I respect that. Of course I think that’s how Bhetti is here too. Unlike a number of our female visitors.

    Welmer’s initial attack on her, while out of the blue and out of line, wasn’t so horrible in the context of here. She also didn’t react like it was. She said he sometimes creeped her out, then actually answered his absurd baiting question.

    It’s his then going into fulsome attack mode (or the best he could manage with what he had to work with) for her having the temerity to mildly criticize him back, that seemed to me merited my saying supportive things to her. Which lead him to attack me after several more attacks on her. If you don’t think I’m going to counteract him directly after both those things, or certainly feel more than free to, you don’t know me girlfriend.

    No she didn’t and hasn’t tried to set standards here for how men are allowed to talk to women here. A number of women that have come here have, but she didn’t remotely. She simply said she found what he said to her highly unattractive — creepy.

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  871. on May 4, 2009 at 1:35 pm Bhetti

    doug: He has multiple Polish prospects, of course. They live in Poland where he regularly visits but doesn’t live. He discusses the merits of them with me and occasionally some of our other friends too. I like helping him out with figuring out what he wants from them; pointing out he doesn’t like not being in control when he couldn’t put a finger on what was disturbing him about one woman once. I’ve met one determined one who visited him here and she was such a sweetheart. He sent a drunken text to our group of friends where he said about being way too drunk and going for a kiss. Primitively? I was jealous. As hell.** That reaction was overwhelmed by the cuteness of it. I’m also thrilled for him especially because he has his pickings, because he’s a demanding fellow and there’re other Poles for the girls to pick from too. I can believe him when he says it’s good genetic stock by the examples of Poles I’ve seen.

    I really don’t think he’s consciously attracted to me in any way, which is why he finds it fine to spend a lot of time with me. His iron Good Catholic will (unless drinking). We both take our beliefs seriously and we don’t hug.

    Considering his taste in men by one selection he was trying to push, I am hesitant to trust his judgement. It seemed like he wanted to pair me up with just anything, just for the sake of pairing me up…

    …actually, maybe I don’t want to analyse why he might want that too closely. I’ll assume it’s his desire to see me happy before he disappears off the scene permanently. I’m happy to take over from him once the introductions are made, which is something he always does if he encounters an Arab of any sort.

    **I get easily jealous. It’s even just seeing a guy do well with another woman. Speaking of that doug, you and your playing ways. I really can’t talk, though.

    Don’t punish me, I’ll be good.

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  872. on May 4, 2009 at 1:36 pm Nicole

    Doug, whoring one’s self has many meanings. She knows what I meant.

    If you trade your integrity or principles for status, wealth, or even to make mommy happy, it is whoring yourself…and us saditty girls are experts in the field.

    There’s a certain amount of it one does for the sake of survival, and then there’s the point when you have to decide how much your freedom is worth to you.

    There was a time when I didn’t speak to my parents for almost two years, but every month I sent them a check wrapped in a blank sheet of paper.

    At some point they realized that I had something they couldn’t buy from me or for me.

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  873. on May 4, 2009 at 1:42 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    We’d both try to make each other something we’re not still and I want my man to lead me in all ways, that includes religion and culture. I don’t want to be led in the wrong direction, or have to constantly rebel, or be cutting off a part of me from his and vice versa. Plenty of men in our social circle are non-muslim in all but their labels and that’s not what I want.

    There was a point in life where I wanted to abandon my religion but could not find anything in science nor literature nor other beliefs to dispel my core inner belief in it. It’s who I am and whether because of God or myself, I always get punished if I violate its tenets. I love my language, my family, the positives of my culture and the cohesiveness of the Arab sisterhood. My intention is to live up to them and it’s something I’m gradually doing to make sure it stays permanent.

    I really hope it isn’t about the superficialty of having to limit myself because of family pressure. Experience has tried to teach me otherwise.

    Thank you for that deep soul bearing Bhetti. Hugs.

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  874. on May 4, 2009 at 1:45 pm Bhetti

    Nicole: I clearly have my limits; I would expect you to know better than I do about some things. Sometimes I don’t know where I’m going, but I’ll try sticking with my choices and not complaining about them.

    If I’m unusual, he’ll have to be unusual too. It’s not something I can ultimately predict.

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  875. on May 4, 2009 at 1:45 pm dougjnn

    baring

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  876. on May 4, 2009 at 1:49 pm Bhetti

    Nicole: I’d hate hurting my family. I would compromise on a lot for them.

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  877. on May 4, 2009 at 1:50 pm Bhetti

    doug: Your hugs and your girlfriends… are both sneaky and warmth-inducing.

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  878. on May 4, 2009 at 2:09 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    pointing out he doesn’t like not being in control when he couldn’t put a finger on what was disturbing him about one woman once. I’ve met one determined one who visited him here and she was such a sweetheart.

    Good for you.

    I’m sure he’ll be able to pull a hot one, and one who who’s happy to have him strongly leading now that you’ve put that in his conscious head, given his top end of his year Polish doctor in Britain, and alpha by way of not only that but his rather studly in control nature as well. Something else you could help him out with is urging him to go for a smart and educated girl, for long term compatibility, given who he is.

    He sent a drunken text to our group of friends where he said about being way too drunk and going for a kiss. Primitively? I was jealous. As hell. (I get easily jealous. It’s even just seeing a guy do well with another woman. Speaking of that doug, you and your playing ways. I really can’t talk, though.)

    Yeah, I felt / knew that about you.

    That reaction was overwhelmed by the cuteness of it. I’m also thrilled for him especially because he has his pickings

    Sweet. And healthy.

    Considering his taste in men by one selection he was trying to push, I am hesitant to trust his judgement. It seemed like he wanted to pair me up with just anything, just for the sake of pairing me up…

    …actually, maybe I don’t want to analyse why he might want that too closely. I’ll assume it’s his desire to see me happy before he disappears off the scene permanently.

    Tell him you love his help, but that he needs to get WAY pickier on the male magnetism side. You’re only interested in an Arab alpha. Tell him you want an Arab version of him, more or less. That will flatter him, give him the right idea without doing a whole seminar on alpha/beta from a girl’s point of view, and pull his filter standards strongly upwards. Also don’t be shy about telling him that since he really likes Polish girls and Polish girls look real different from Arab girls, you’re gonna look a lot hotter to most Arab guys than to most Polish guys. Really, say that to him, in a teasing sort of way if you can manage it. (The last will make him a bit defensive but that’s ok.)

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  879. on May 4, 2009 at 2:23 pm Bhetti

    doug: He knows he needs educated better than I do, goodness me.

    Ah, I see the point of those lines, a different way of saying ‘I can actually do quite well and am attractive, thank you’.

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  880. on May 4, 2009 at 2:27 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti —

    Don’t punish me, I’ll be good.

    I think you want me to. But I’d have to convert first. Except virtually …

    doug: Your hugs and your girlfriends… are both sneaky and warmth-inducing.

    I felt you needed some warmth just then.

    Now don’t get greedy.

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  881. on May 4, 2009 at 2:28 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    a different way of saying ‘I can actually do quite well and am attractive, thank you’.

    A different and much better way.

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  882. on May 4, 2009 at 3:29 pm Nicole

    Bhetti, awhile ago I lost my protege…a young admirer who claimed that he loves me, and still does. He feels that he has failed me because he can’t handle the truth. One truth I revealed to him, and probably was what tore it was informing him that his parents didn’t love him.

    He insisted that this isn’t the case. I explained to him that people who attempt to force you to adhere to any rule or standard that is in direct conflict with your health and wellbeing, do not love you…and the more you obey them, the less they will love you, despite their using their sorry phony excuse for love as the carrot on a stick to your inner donkey.

    Roissy has explained this about people, women especially, but not as bluntly.

    Blind obedience does not earn respect. It really doesn’t even earn approval. It feeds a dragon that is never sated and only wants more.

    You think that the day will come that you do what you’re supposed to do, and get that nod of approval, and become part of that chorus of self satisfied, sanctimonious suckers who say, “I followed the rules and achieved success.”

    Perhaps that day will come for you.

    …but the day will never come that you are truly loved, so long as you obey. Someone who would be hurt by your being loved does not love you, and never has. They mocked care for you as a success object, and for the guilt of bringing you to this world.

    Until you own yourself, you will have to content yourself with merely being tolerated on the condition that you follow the designated program for your shell type…brown eggs in this carton, white eggs in that, spotted eggs in another, with no regard for whether they are rotten inside.

    To be loved for who you are, you have to be a who. Until then, you are a what…an object.

    Objects shouldn’t complain about being objectified.

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  883. on May 4, 2009 at 4:06 pm Default User

    Bhetti

    Def should be included in this listing. I’d love for him to teach me a thing or two about Cascading Style Sheets.

    How could I have missed this? I should take back my earlier jokey “And, please, call me Def.”

    Anyway, there is nothing I love more than a cascade between the stylesheets.

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  884. on May 4, 2009 at 4:09 pm Bhetti

    I find it very difficult to separate out how much is motivated by desire for their approval. I feel like I don’t need to do something contrary to my nature to keep it: what that says about my nature, I don’t know. Does being true to myself really mean going after all my immediate desires?

    At times, I feel like I can commit Great Sins, be punished greatly and still be cared for as I’ve seen done with my brother. At times, serious doubt about that occurs. What if he’s the rebel and I’m the good one, isn’t that our familial role?

    Still, it’s not (just?) about them loving me, it’s about me loving them. I want to take care of them when they’re older, in a house living with me, and I don’t want them to feel they have to push me away.

    I’ve never felt insecurity about their affection, although I can seriously doubt its nature (they think they have my best interests in their hearts, but they can only do this from the confines of their own views and limitations).

    I suppose I don’t believe in that idealised form of love they have for me, in that I don’t believe my personal happiness would make them happy. I do believe that they have tied up all that they are into all what they hope I become, and that’s something they deliberately instilled into me by things they’ve actively said and done. I can’t seperate that out from myself, what they expect is based on who I am and was.

    Still, I’ve done things that’re not what they wanted. Some of it was freedom and some of it was really what I didn’t want as well.

    They know me too well, but won’t admit it to themselves what it truly means.

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  885. on May 4, 2009 at 4:10 pm dougjnn

    Nicole

    Blind obedience does not earn respect. It really doesn’t even earn approval. It feeds a dragon that is never sated and only wants more.

    But wide eyed following of a worthy playfully dominant man, by a loved woman so inclined, with push back and questioning and back and forth (that will lead to much learning by him as well) can earn her deep respect and a cherishing sort of love.

    …but the day will never come that you are truly loved, so long as you obey.

    The opposite is true with well matched lovers, if the partial or temporarily full submission is not from the lack of self, but from the temporary gift of a self that’s richly developed, and fiercely independent most of the time.

    Someone who would be hurt by your being loved does not love you, and never has.

    If you’re talking about agape love, sure. Whether people can or want to share romantic / sexual love and lust very much depends on the couple and culture involved. Jealously over sharing sexual love is a powerful emotion that predominates in most people and takes strong work to diminish, if that is the goal.

    Until you own yourself, you will have to content yourself with merely being tolerated on the condition that you follow the designated program for your shell type…brown eggs in this carton, white eggs in that, spotted eggs in another, with no regard for whether they are rotten inside.

    To be loved for who you are, you have to be a who. Until then, you are a what…an object.

    Yeah. Sure.

    But I don’t think Bhetti particularly needs this advice. Let’s ask her.

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  886. on May 4, 2009 at 4:16 pm dougjnn

    Nicole–

    Ah, you were talking all through that last post about the relationship between parents and grown child, and the nature of the love and obedience in that relationship.

    That’s the way Bhetti took it.

    That’s very different from what I was talking about.

    Given your apparent sexual proclivities or usual roles anyway (often domme) what you wrote seemed pretty strange to me.

    But you wrote so generally after first talking about your protege’s parents and that relationship.

    Well, I guess though I can real most people pretty well, I can’t read you so well.

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  887. on May 4, 2009 at 4:20 pm Bhetti

    doug: Yes. Only a terrible leader doesn’t allow input from the expertise of his followers. It’s a terrible follower that follows blindly. Loyalty and an inability to challenge are different things: the former is valueless as a result of the latter.

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  888. on May 4, 2009 at 4:26 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti

    I’ve never felt insecurity about their affection, although I can seriously doubt its nature (they think they have my best interests in their hearts, but they can only do this from the confines of their own views and limitations).

    I suppose I don’t believe in that idealised form of love they have for me, in that I don’t believe my personal happiness would make them happy.

    This isn’t so good. Nicole sensed something real.

    I do believe that they have tied up all that they are into all what they hope I become, and that’s something they deliberately instilled into me by things they’ve actively said and done. I can’t seperate that out from myself, what they expect is based on who I am and was.

    This is fine and good. It’s true of most well adjusted and highly achieving people I think.

    But it also calls for breaking somewhat free.

    Beyond wanting your husband to be an Arab Muslim, and I presume reasonably successful or headed that way, are there other things about him your parents wish to impose or plan on trying to veto? Will they be able to more or less arrange your marriage or anyway veto comers for a wide variety of reasons?

    I hope not Bhetti. I urge you not.

    They’ve already deeply influenced you. Now you decide.

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  889. on May 4, 2009 at 4:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is why a man must be his womans god. God gets input it is called prayers.

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  890. on May 4, 2009 at 4:29 pm omw

    As they say, it ain’t your mama who’s gonna have to wash his dirty drawers.

    For the next fifty years.

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  891. on May 4, 2009 at 4:32 pm Default User

    Hope

    I am not sure if you so my reply to you on May 3, 2009 at 6:21 pm. Just in case you missed it.

    I would hate to think you have retreated back into your shell. 🙂

    And I would be very interested to hear your thoughts in trying a new “look.” 😉

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  892. on May 4, 2009 at 4:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    what if they don’t wash one and keep it to cuddle with while your gone. My god. lol

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  893. on May 4, 2009 at 4:37 pm omw

    ew!

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  894. on May 4, 2009 at 4:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    No OMW that is love!!!!

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  895. on May 4, 2009 at 4:52 pm Nicole

    Doug says, “Given your apparent sexual proclivities or usual roles anyway (often domme) what you wrote seemed pretty strange to me.”

    I believe that D/s is relative to the people involved. I’m dominant in personality, but I am neither the most dominant nor the most capable Dom/me in the world. My second ex was older, more experienced, and more dominant than me, so I was kind of the sub.

    In a BDSM context, mileage varies as far as the level of obedience expected from a sub. I’m not the blind obedience type. I’m more the captain of a tight ship. 🙂

    (Hopefully not a Captain Ahab.)

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  896. on May 4, 2009 at 4:56 pm Bhetti

    doug: My father’s condition ‘don’t do it/do it after I’m dead’ which he has been telling me for years is going to be soon, bless his still-beating heart. So I can’t please him there. I think he might’ve vetoed one of the Arab/Muslim parts too. Jeez.

    Mother’s one condition is that I have to love him, which is my condition too. I don’t even want to think about all the ‘tests’ she’d devise to make sure of this fact, however.
    It probably includes going on about how he has to be this, that or the other where we’ll have to agree to disagree.

    I think it’d be actually disconcerting for you if a person consciously ‘shit-tests’ like she does, then calls you up on it.

    Anyway: There’s only so much a girl can do.

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  897. on May 4, 2009 at 4:57 pm Bhetti

    Yes, OMW, it’s going to be the housekeeper.

    I kid.

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  898. on May 4, 2009 at 5:03 pm dougjnn

    Bhetti–

    Boy are you spoiled!!

    You sure as hell can’t complain about not getting enough attention today.

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  899. on May 4, 2009 at 5:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then he will fuck the housekeeper I don’t kid. He He He

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  900. on May 4, 2009 at 5:07 pm omw

    Ah, but she’s right. Doctors don’t really do their own laundry, do they??

    holy shit suddenly i have vertigo. The very thought of not having drawers to fold six days a week.

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  901. on May 4, 2009 at 5:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    That’s the thing does a male doctor really need a woman at home that challenges him bla bla bla or does he just need a good wife. Think day to day operation. She is a part of his world not the center of it.

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  902. on May 4, 2009 at 5:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Men need an educated woman managing there home like they need a .45 slug in their head.

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  903. on May 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm Bhetti

    You assume me being able to work out logarithms also makes me able to fold. I’m not kidding when I say it’s a fine art. One I have trouble mastering. Delegating seems like a good idea, although I know firsthand of being too reliant on hired help.

    They can really take over the house, your children and everything.

    Doug: I’ll stop commenting, then 😉 Flights of angels, and all the rest.

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  904. on May 4, 2009 at 9:01 pm Welmer

    dougjnn

    Welmer said—

    Oh great, now we have sir dougjnn cruising in for the rescue.

    Have fun jacking off to Bhetti’s pics, Doug, ya big alpha hero.

    Bhetti needs no rescuing as she amply demonstrates just above, but your damn right I’m going to support her after attacks from a pathetic and resentful beta loser like yourself. I like her. She’s a board friend. Occasionally we mildly flirt and other times just discuss. Try it sometime, rather than seething in jealousy and pathetically begging Bhetti to send you pics too, repeatedly. Actually I noticed that you were starting to get some slight tinge of a flirt thing going with LILGRL, ‘til you blew it, predictably.

    Go ahead, Doug, waste your time defending Bhetti, the errant Muslim girl. Why don’t you go to Afghanistan and rescue some ladies from the nasty Taliban? Oh yeah, you’d get your ass handed to you.

    Why did I ask for Bhetti’s pics? Because I wanted to see what she was up to and whether she was all that. Nicole posts her own picture; so does LILGRL and even chicnoir. That’s called “honesty.” For all we know, neither you nor Bhetti are worth a second look from the opposite sex.

    As for LILGRL, unlike you I have no illusions that I have anything to gain from being nice to her. What are you, some kind of moron living in a fantasy world? I didn’t blow anything — I just respect the girl, but I’m not trying to lay her fer chrissake. You think I’m the kind of idiot (like you) that fantasizes about screwing women thousands of miles away when I can do fine in my own backyard?

    Yes bros should stick together Welmer. You’re not remotely my bro.

    And you, Doug, are a shining example of what’s wrong with men in this country. Instead of taking a hard, masculine look at the situation and chopping through the bullshit, you’d rather play knights and princesses with second-rate sluts who are whatever they want to be on the Internet.

    Enough of this pussy fest with douchejnn, omw and Bhetti. Doug, why don’t you start your own harem blog so you can fantasize to the rest of us about all the women you are sleeping with in your imagination?

    In fact, all you’re really doing is riding Roissy’s wake and trying to pick off the women who get moist off the idea of an alpha. Clever strategy, but functionally speaking you are a parasite, or maybe akin to one of those snails that sucks algae off the walls of aquariums.

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  905. on May 4, 2009 at 9:06 pm Welmer

    dougjnn

    Welmer –

    Admit it, dougjnn, you’re just going after me so that you can get some more pics of Bhetti’s hairy, Arab ass (where’s Peter when you need him?).

    Good luck tapping that, alphaman!

    Unlike yourself Welmer, I’m not from hunger. I pity your inability to comprehend that flirty or lightly flirty friendly banter with hot and intelligent girls can be fun. I’ve got the tapping very well covered.

    Ah, so I take it you’re fucking Bhetti?

    And how do we know she’s hot? She could be a beast, and all we’ve got is your word, champ (doesn’t count for much).

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  906. on May 4, 2009 at 9:24 pm Welmer

    Bhetti

    I’ve already done research, to try and help find out how to help children with mental problems, how to help them better. These children are a lot of the time, products from broken homes. Guess what the research showed the main ethnicity is, despite the ethnic diversity of the area? White British. I’m going to be doing research in the future.

    Oh fucking great: an ethnic social worker with a condescending attitude toward the majority ethnic group in Britain.

    You know what, Bhetti? Those “problematic” British families would probably be better off if you stayed away from them. Obviously, your contempt for native British is going to cause you to treat them as subhumans in between your online mutual masturbation sessions with dougjnn.

    I always thought black families in America were getting screwed by white do-gooders interfering with them and trying to ram alien values down their throats, and now I see the same thing from the other perspective. What goes around comes around, I guess.

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  907. on May 4, 2009 at 9:27 pm chic noir

    *hugs tall strong blond welmer*

    It will be all right my handsome warrior, come take a seat with Nicole, Sara, and I.

    *passes welmer a cup no blk tea no sugar*

    Let’s talk, what’s really going on Welmer?
    I’ve never seen you like this before.

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  908. on May 4, 2009 at 9:54 pm Welmer

    chic noir

    *hugs tall strong blond welmer*

    It will be all right my handsome warrior, come take a seat with Nicole, Sara, and I.

    *passes welmer a cup no blk tea no sugar*

    Let’s talk, what’s really going on Welmer?
    I’ve never seen you like this before.

    The bitch ex is trying to prevent me from seeing my babies. I miss my little boy and girl. I guess that’s what it really comes down to.

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  909. on May 4, 2009 at 10:14 pm Hope

    Welmer… I am really sorry to hear that. :/ It is really a shame because your kids really deserve a father in their life. Almost brings me to tears to think about it… a father who wants to see his children but who cannot.

    My own father could have seen me any time but did not and would not. Now he’s leaving two other little girls behind — my half sisters — and abandoning them to his second, soon to be ex-wife. The older one was born a few years ago, and the younger one was born last year. When I asked him why he left, he said boredom…

    I hope you will be able to spend more time with them in the future and let them know that you care for them and love them. They will appreciate that. I know my own father never loved me, and that has messed me up in all kinds of ways, until I was able to forgive him. Your children may be messed up in other ways, but at least their father loves them.

    Try not to lash out at others in your state of pain though. There is already so much pain in the world. Adding to it solves nothing… it simply does not.

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  910. on May 4, 2009 at 11:14 pm David Alexander

    The bitch ex is trying to prevent me from seeing my babies. I miss my little boy and girl. I guess that’s what it really comes down to.

    Welmer, you could always run game on the judge. 🙂

    Seriously though, I wish you the best in your quest to see your kids, and no man who is a good father to his children deserves to be denied access to his children.

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  911. on May 5, 2009 at 12:29 am Nicole

    Welmer says, “The bitch ex is trying to prevent me from seeing my babies. I miss my little boy and girl. I guess that’s what it really comes down to.”

    Sometimes we get distracted by the details. Remember that they are your kids, and that half of their genes are yours.

    This is something that she can’t take from them. They will understand as they get older, who truly respects them, and who didn’t.

    Like trust but verify: fight but trust nature.

    I’m very far from my first ex geographically, because it’s impossible for me to take all my daughter’s teachers to the U.S. I have an open door policy for my daughter’s father though, and make sure they keep in contact when he’s not here, and we’re not there.

    In many positive and some negative ways, she’s much like her dad, and if it weren’t for him, I likely wouldn’t understand how to deal with them. They even have this way of speaking to each other in a kind of verbal shorthand. Nobody around them could understand what they’re saying to each other, but they do.

    My father and I were very close, but it’s not quite the same thing as being directly blood related. When your brains work very similarly, it’s different than if you just share sentimental attachment.

    Your ex will pay for her mistake by losing the respect of her kids. This isn’t a guess. This happens every time a woman tries to put herself between kids and a dad who wants to be there.

    Every time.

    So do what you can for now, but no matter how things pan out legally in the short term, remind you kids, when appropriate, that when they’re older, they have more say in where they want to be and who they want to see.

    When my parents were having a hard time of it for awhile, my brother and I planned to make sure we ended up with dad. If mom tried to use us as pawns, we were going to get our own lawyer. Kids can do that now.

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  912. on May 5, 2009 at 12:34 am Welmer and Dougjn

    LOL. Welmer and Dougjn in a jealousy bitch fight over internet women? Who do the women on this blog like the most? Who do they flirt with? etcetera….LOL.

    I will bet you this: One woman alone, rationing her feminine wiles, can destroy this blog. Cities has fallen because of women. Planet Hollywood(with mystery/strauss) was destroyed by one woman: katya.

    I am enjoying how the flirtations of the women directs the behavioural patterns of the males on this blog; Men, that are supposedly alpha by the way(SO MUCH FOR THAT!!).

    Pure comedy.

    Please continue…..*pass the popcorn*

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  913. on May 5, 2009 at 12:54 am Welmer

    Welmer and Dougjn

    LOL. Welmer and Dougjn in a jealousy bitch fight over internet women? Who do the women on this blog like the most? Who do they flirt with? etcetera….LOL.

    I will bet you this: One woman alone, rationing her feminine wiles, can destroy this blog. Cities has fallen because of women. Planet Hollywood(with mystery/strauss) was destroyed by one woman: katya.

    I am enjoying how the flirtations of the women directs the behavioural patterns of the males on this blog; Men, that are supposedly alpha by the way(SO MUCH FOR THAT!!).

    Pure comedy.

    Please continue…..*pass the popcorn*

    That was totally my point, but the truth is that it was entirely dougjnn’s fault. Don’t drag me into this when he’s the one charging around, braying like a jackass with his cock in his hand and a plume on his cap.

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  914. on May 5, 2009 at 1:06 am Welmer

    Nicole

    My father and I were very close, but it’s not quite the same thing as being directly blood related. When your brains work very similarly, it’s different than if you just share sentimental attachment.

    Yeah, my daughter’s a lot like me, too. She looks more like me than her mother and she has my highly verbal nature. My son is his own little guy, but I love him, as he says: “the whole world.”

    I’m very close to my kids, and their mother is just kind of out to lunch about things. It’s really her mother (my MIL) who is working behind the scenes to keep me away from the kids. I really wish I could take the old hag to court, but I don’t have anything solid yet. As a man you’re really in a tight spot here in the states. If you say what’s on your mind and act like a normal guy you’re screwed — the courts will automatically assume you’re a potential killer or something.

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  915. on May 5, 2009 at 8:43 am xsplat

    Doug about avoiding child support

    Generally speaking only men whose income is lower middle class or below, and unstable, can do so, and only some lower middle class men can.

    Some people live off the grid, tax wise. They neither take nor give to income tax systems, and don’t have their numbers and names logged with every financial transaction. Such people are not always gangsters, nor necessarily even tax criminals. I agree, it is a very rare few who create their own system outside of the usual system.

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  916. on May 5, 2009 at 8:51 am xsplat

    Doug

    I was going to tell you than anyone who disdains Contrarian is alright by me… Since just who is there on this board that doesn’t disdain Contrarian.

    I no longer disdain him, as I no longer read him. I also find it hard to believe that he exists, substantially. I think he is similar to George Bush, in that his outward persona is a cartoon, and no one will ever discover if there is anything behind the cartoon. And no one will ever care.

    I don’t.

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  917. on May 5, 2009 at 10:12 am Hope

    I would hate to think you have retreated back into your shell. 🙂

    I haven’t retreated, but I get lazy and distracted by other fun things on the Internets like caterpillars being mind-controlled. I’ll try to respond since you asked again.

    How will he know when you are ready for a more physical connection? Because that is the problem with the 3-2-1 approach; how to move from friends to lovers. If he moves too soon he risks upsetting the friendship, if he moves too late he may have missed his moment.

    Once the emotional connection is in place, the physical connection is usually effortless. If a guy wants to skip the emotional step and go right to the physical one, then yes, he “moves too soon.” But there is no “too late” unless the emotional connection ceases. I’ve felt an emotional connection long enough to wait years for a guy in order to consummate that connection.

    Granted, he was also a compulsive liar and only admitted that he lied about many things he lied about until after he convinced me to marry him. Maybe someone remembers how I said my (now ex) husband has killed people in self-defense and had been to violent regions in South America. None of it ever happened. I’m also apparently less intuitive than I thought, because I was fooled for 10 years. All those people who told me that he should not have come onto me when I was 15 and he was 21 may have been right.

    And I would be very interested to hear your thoughts in trying a new “look.” 😉

    I am attractive enough that I get “noticed” for my looks. I dress in a feminine way at work, usually a skirt and blouse. But that doesn’t require much in the way of what is defined as female fashion. What men think of as fashion and what women think of fashion are two different things. I will never be seen as fashionable in a girl’s eyes because I am just not interested in it. I buy new clothes maybe twice a year, and I don’t keep up on the latest seasonal looks. I’m fine with my old boring look, because it is low-maintenance and comfortable.

    This, of course, is why I will never change your mind (like your fellow J, contrarian).

    That’s not quite true. I’ve changed my mind several times, even on the issue of game itself. Some time last year I began to see game as not an entirely negative thing, at least for the men who are quite intelligent and wonderful, but who cannot “sell” themselves to the typical woman. But there are lots of women who get passed over by men, too. The men who keep using game to “pull” conventionally hot women who are self-entitled and attracted to game may overlook those women who may not be as noticeable, who aren’t really attracted to game, but nonetheless are great people.

    Personally, I’ve always loved nerds and been turned off by the kind of “alpha” guy that many other women go ga-ga over. I much preferred Edward Norton’s nerdier character over Tyler Durden’s cocky crappy act in Fight Club. Even on a subconscious level I am not attracted to the asshole guys, so in a way you could say my mind cannot be changed. However, I wouldn’t mind if more nerds were more confident and unabashed about who they are, were self-assured enough to embrace their masculinity and femininity (yin within the yang), and were more expressive of their true selves. And hopefully, in the process of reaching that state, they do not turn so bitter and resentful that they forget that in the end, we are all just humans.

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  918. on May 5, 2009 at 11:29 am Default User

    Hope

    I haven’t retreated, but I get lazy and distracted by other fun things on the Internets like caterpillars being mind-controlled.

    I was kidding about the retreating to your shell bit, but figured you may have missed it because I did not put your name in my post.

    Caterpillars being mind-controlled? Now that sounds interesting.

    …I am attractive enough that I get “noticed” for my looks. I dress in a feminine way at work, usually a skirt and blouse…

    OK. Your original description painted a picture of many a “nerd girl” I have known; where they dress and groom in a way to unflatter themselves. Almost as if they were trying to repel men by making themselves look as dowdy as possible. Your description does not sound so bad.

    Stylish does not have to be fashionable; it is more about using color, cut, and material that is flattering. You probably do that. Men do not care about fashion but they do care (or at some level notice) style. We probably will not recognize a [insert famous label here] dress, but will notice that it flatters your figure, skin tone etc.

    But there are lots of women who get passed over by men, too… women who may not be as noticeable, who aren’t really attracted to game, but nonetheless are great people.

    True. So have you any ideas on game for girls? How do these women get noticed and attract the kind man they would like? Because that is exactly the problem that many men suffer.

    … cocky crappy…

    LOL Nice phrase.

    I wouldn’t mind if more nerds were more confident and unabashed about who they are, were self-assured enough to embrace their masculinity and femininity (yin within the yang), and were more expressive of their true selves.

    Wouldn’t that be a great world! Sadly for most men displaying too much Yin leads to them having to pull their own yang.

    The perfect world: NT types design the stuff, SP types build the stuff, SJ types run the stuff, and NF types set the rules for romance.

    Thanks, again for your answer, I will let you back to those mind-controlled caterpillars.

    Wait, Wait! Before you go, personal questions you may or may not want to answer:

    Do you get approached by the more Alpha type of guy, or are they put off by your reserved nature?
    If they do approach, how do you handle them (given they are not your preference).

    Do you get approached by the more nerdy type of guy or does there inherent nerdiness mean they avoid approach? Do you try to “create an opportunity” for them if you feel they are interested but too shy? Do you ever make the first move?

    OK, now you can get back to the caterpillars.

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  919. on May 5, 2009 at 2:02 pm Hope

    Caterpillars video. Warning: not safe if eating.

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  920. on May 5, 2009 at 2:17 pm omw

    Bizarre!

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  921. on May 5, 2009 at 2:21 pm Nicole

    Welmer, in the legal system, they’re mostly about making money and covering their own ass. So unless you have a shark of a lawyer it’s, in my opinion, not really worth going there unless she’s trying to paint you as a criminal or something.

    Some battles, you can’t win, some are uncertain, but some you are guaranteed victory. No matter what she says or does, you’re their father. She can’t make you not their father no matter what she does legally.

    If it doesn’t cost you more money, let her win the petty battles. She doesn’t want the kids to come over? Fine. Protest, but let her win the battle. Why?

    …because you, well actually the kids, will win the war. So long as you continue to make it clear that you love them and want to see them, eventually, she will have no choice. She will let them see you or they will give her hell.

    Be prepared to deal with any fallout that will result from her stupidity. You may have many pieces to pick up in their teens and 20’s. The boy might end up living with you eventually. Be ready. Always have room for them.

    A few friends and relatives of mine have had similar situations. The kids, especially the male ones, always win the daddy war. In one of my friends’ cases, both of his are girls whose mom was actively a bitch about things until they gave her so much hell that she had no choice. The kids went around her, to the social worker and demanded to see their father. They ratted the mom out that sometimes when they missed the visitation *which the mom pressed to be supervised, rather than flexible home visits*, it was because she just didn’t feel like bringing them. Heheheh…

    When the oldest was 13, they stopped being supervised because the mom was then legally obligated to bring them on time, and she finally had to admit that there was no need for supervision. She just did that to punish the my friend for divorcing her sorry butt.

    Now, they get to stay with him for the weekend sometimes, usually part of school holidays and such. They are stubborn and beautiful, just like their dad. The oldest is a red head. The whole experience has definitely made them stronger, and I guess the bonus is that there are now two more future women in the world who don’t agree with custody going to the mother by default.

    Maybe one of them will become a judge. We can hope…

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  922. on May 5, 2009 at 2:29 pm dougjnn

    Welmer —

    The bitch ex is trying to prevent me from seeing my babies. I miss my little boy and girl. I guess that’s what it really comes down to.

    I’m truly sorry to hear that man, and it vicariously infuriates me.

    You’re obviously very attached and invested in your kids.

    Fight her tooth and nail.

    Some of the thoughts that would cross my mind would be killing her, literally, and screw the screaming woman and their supporters that say how horrible. No how right. BUT, that really isn’t worth it for you OR your kids.

    Fight her tooth and nail.

    Witholding child support=alimony, for awhile (you will have to make it up) MIGHT be worth it. Look it up.

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  923. on May 5, 2009 at 2:37 pm dougjnn

    Welmer–

    Just as a note. The pics Bhetti sent me are fully clothed.

    We’re both 100% aware our occassional mild flirting will never go anywhere and have kidding or if you like flirted around that too quite a bit, except human LD interaction and learning from each other and maybe mild reciprocal ego stroking. My reference to have the “getting it” well taken care of was a reference to my live together girlfriend which Bhetti and a lot of the people on this board know about since I’ve talked about her. You take “us” far more seriously than we do.

    Redirect your anger where it belongs, towards your wife. The redirect the anger in hard determination to be able to see your kids, without having to do anything more for her to get there.

    The system is incredibly stacked against men, but unless you’ve done something heinous to them or other children which I doubt (or there’s been skillful framing) you will EVENTUALLY at least and expensively be able to.

    Fight her and the evil feminist family court system.

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  924. on May 5, 2009 at 2:56 pm doug1

    Welmer–

    the courts will automatically assume you’re a potential killer or something.

    I AM a potential killer. Make no mistake whatsoever about that. I have no doubt about it at all. No, never have. Quite easily could – if I felt sufficiently justified AND it would be worth it to me and mine. THAT is a HUGE hurdle though, in normal living way above ground in America circumstances.

    So of course don’t remotely show this potential if you have it the courts or most anywhere cause it could get back to them. I’m just saying don’t internalize as self image of couldn’t ever do it that mask that feminized society makes it expedient to project.

    As for gathering dirt on your wife: sure if it’s useful. But be fully rational here. Slander is a nearly impossible crime to prove in America – it’s extremely disfavored. In a child custody dispute forget it.

    Actually I’m now going to reverse track completely. I’m all about pragmatism. The goal here is seeing your kids.

    What if you went on a nice offensive with your ex wife. For the good of the kids. Both genuinely, and as a selling point to her. Stroke her some as a good mom, if you can. Get her to admit you were “at least sometimes” a good dad. Game is still relevant, if here working from a twisted and very disadvantaged position. Do not beg. Do not grovel. Do not concede all her points. Do not argue with her either, just let her rant. Later when she’s calm circle back and correct her in a round about way if possible on the essential things that touch on the kids and your caring for them. Leave the rest of her character assassination untouched because you no longer care. You’re above that.

    Talk to her about eventually forming an arms length, remote, but co operative partnership for parenting only.

    Maybe do some research on the importance of dads to kids and give it to her as printouts, or send it, or email.

    Best of luck.

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  925. on May 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm chic noir

    welmer The bitch ex is trying to prevent me from seeing my babies. I miss my little boy and girl. I guess that’s what it really comes down to.

    I’m sorry to read that Welmer.

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  926. on May 5, 2009 at 4:08 pm Default User

    Hope

    That caterpillar video made me want to retreat inside my shell. Nature can be vicious.

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  927. on May 5, 2009 at 4:10 pm Default User

    dougjnn, Welmer

    Take a look at the video Hope posted about the divorce system.

    Heed the food warning.

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  928. on May 5, 2009 at 5:22 pm doug1

    Default User–

    The point being that married men facing the threat of divorce in the feminist parasititised Anglosphere, don’t have it quite as bad as those wasp parasititised caterpillars? Or they do?

    Or that’s coming?

    Unless we get our shiite together and stage a revolution?

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  929. on May 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm Default User

    doug1

    The point being that married men facing the threat of divorce in the feminist parasititised Anglosphere, don’t have it quite as bad as those wasp parasititised caterpillars? Or they do?

    Maybe not quite as bad…

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  930. on May 6, 2009 at 12:09 am Welmer

    dougjnn

    Redirect your anger where it belongs, towards your wife. The redirect the anger in hard determination to be able to see your kids, without having to do anything more for her to get there.

    The system is incredibly stacked against men, but unless you’ve done something heinous to them or other children which I doubt (or there’s been skillful framing) you will EVENTUALLY at least and expensively be able to.

    Fight her and the evil feminist family court system.

    Yeah, Doug, I apologize for being a bit aggro. It’s extremely frustrating to deal with this crap. I should say that the one who originally really set me off was OMW, who reminded me too much of the ex.

    In a short post, I can’t even begin to detail what I’ve been through, but I usually don’t even try anyway because I have learned that people don’t give a shit if you’re a guy.

    The thing with omw is that she is a young, married woman who was obviously flirting online and simultaneously complaining about her situation with the kids and not having a rich husband. She may deny this, but it was as clear as day, and I will back it up with her own posts if the bitch tries to argue.

    Here are just a few of the things I’ve been through:

    Surrounded by a SWAT team and had AR-15s pointed at my head after false accusation by ex

    Harrassed by wife’s boyfriend in the middle of the night while children were sleeping at my house

    Ordered to go to anger management classes for telling wife’s boyfriend I would “kick his ass” following his threats

    Had visitation interfered with numerous times

    Ex wife contacted my clients and slandered me to get them to stop doing business with me and destroy my business

    Falsely accused of child abuse

    Called a rapist

    Called a Nazi

    Three investigations, including two parenting evaluations and one CPS investigation (nobody found anything wrong with me or the kids)

    Despite all the false allegations and lies, including documented lies to the police, judge and social workers, my ex never faced ANY negative consequences — but I sure did, even though the cops and the courts were actually candidly sympathetic to me.

    You put enough allegations in front of a judge and they just go with “err on the side of caution.” In fact, lying is a virtual guarantee to deny custody to the father. All some bitch has to do is cry and whine, and the judge says: “sorry, but we can’t take a chance; mother gets custody and your child support is xxxx.xx”

    When I hear some snotty little cunt whining about how hard life is for her, it is very difficult for me to contain myself. When I suspect some guy is giving her the benefit of the doubt, I hate him. Given what you just wrote, I know you probably aren’t that way, but it’s become a knee-jerk reaction at this point.

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  931. on May 6, 2009 at 12:17 am Rum

    What would Ted Bundy do if presented with this “situation”. Remember to use a large plastic sheet. I mean, the mess will eventually need cleaning up.

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  932. on May 6, 2009 at 12:29 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea jesus man that is the key you need to take your family to go talk to jesus.

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  933. on May 6, 2009 at 12:35 am Welmer

    I guess I should be honest about the fact that I was the one who filed for divorce, and I have no continuing interest in the bitch at all. I wonder whether that’s why she went so insane on me?

    I think women really do go over the top with revenge.

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  934. on May 6, 2009 at 12:54 am doug1

    Welmer–

    I guess I should be honest about the fact that I was the one who filed for divorce, and I have no continuing interest in the bitch at all. I wonder whether that’s why she went so insane on me?

    I think women really do go over the top with revenge.

    Absolute power, or close, to be given a HUGE benefit of the doubt to the great detriment of ex husbands, has corrupted a very great many American women absolutely, or damn close.

    Given what you’ve gone through I bear you no ill will for your attacks against me on this thread. You must not have read many of my posts over the weeks and months though, because I’ve expressed far more vehement disgust with the divorce and family law system that feminists have by now rammed through in America than anything I said to you above.

    Let me encourage you to detail more of your experience and what (probably how little or nothing) your ex was using to get the court to significantly side with her as you say out of “caution”.

    Feminists have turned centuries of Anglo Saxon common law on it’s head. Men accused by women of anything sex or family related are guilty until proven innocent. “Just to be safe”. It’s revolting. It’s enough to make some of think revolutionary thoughts.

    Those AK 15’s were ridiculous in your case but they aren’t in every one. Of course feminists say “see”. I say see as well. That’s how bad the divorce / family law fundamental unfairness and oppression has become. Of course some men snap. A lot of men no doubt fantasize about it. I would. But I’d also control myself and act coldly. With a purpose.

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  935. on May 6, 2009 at 4:26 am Welmer

    Actually, it was really simple:

    Every time things looked like they might not go her way, she’d just call some authority and make an accusation. She did this several times, and I assume she will do it again. For example, the AR-15 SWAT team incident happened two days before our first court date. The child abuse allegation happened shortly before the trial date. She called me a rapist right before fleeing the country to spend time with her lover. She called my clients right before I had to hire an attorney (in an attempt to cut off my funds).

    In retrospect, it’s all very logical, but it was impossible to predict in advance. She just made a chain of tactical moves that worked to her advantage, and they worked pretty well. In the long run, as Nicole has suggested, it might not work out so well for her, but she is so unscrupulous that I am almost sure that she’ll come up with a new set of accusations if she gets herself into more trouble. I kind of hope she does, because even her lawyer has apologized to me for what happened, and I’m pretty sure that she’ll run out of luck and supporters in time. If she keeps this up, she will eventually do time for it, but in the meanwhile I’ve had to put up with enormous stress.

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  936. on May 6, 2009 at 4:56 am Nicole

    Welmer, it may help you to keep your cool if you think of this in terms of personal responsibility.

    On the one hand, she is totally responsible for her behavior in this. She’s an evil bitch who apparently never loved you, and I’d question her “love” for the kids from her using them this way. We’re talking about someone with no honor at all, who is very likely a malignant narcissist.

    Add being raised by one of those to the list of things you’ll have to help your kids recover from. This is one of the main reasons you need to not play her game. Don’t let yourself get caught up in the narcissist and/or sociopath dynamic as the “victim”.

    So the way not to be the victim is to take responsibility for your part in this situation.

    You married her, and stayed with her long enough to make two kids with her. In other words, you handed your balls over to someone who never loved you. Granted, you saw the light later, whether consciously or subconsciously, but there is a price to pay for mistakes that drag new people into this fucked up world.

    You must butch up to pay that price.

    You will never get that time back.

    So thank whatever deity or power of nature you need, for every moment in the future.

    Things are the way they are in this world, and the only one you have any control of is yourself. Master that, and let go of other people’s dysfunctions.

    This is not saying that you asked for any of this. What I’m saying is that when we make decisions, we must be mentally prepared for all possible outcomes. Decisions we make with other people involved must take into account the fact that we are not telepaths, and as many have said here before, it is not a good idea to bank on the exceptions.

    A woman with honor is almost a unicorn. Most women operate on expedience, not ethics. Understanding this about your ex in particular (who has proven she’s not the exception), do not expect her to behave honorably. If you can, do not even hope that she will. This way, you will not experience trauma each time she dashes your hopes. You will also be able to more easily curtail or thwart her dishonorable plans.

    She fucks with you because she knows she can. She has something you want, and she knows she can trigger your frustration and anger by not giving it to you.

    So…stop wanting what she has. Start wanting things that she doesn’t have.

    She has the power and willingness to keep your kids from seeing you while they are young. She has the power and willingness to complain to the courts, lie, and try to make you look bad. She has the power and willingness to harm your kids.

    What she does not have is the power to make you not their father, regardless of how much she wills it. She does not have the power to prevent your kids from seeing you when they are older, regardless of how much she wills it. She does not have the power to harm them beyond the point that they understand that they don’t have to take it, regardless of how much she wills it.

    So want your kids to know that you love them and are thinking of them. Want your kids to be strong, regardless of their mother’s weakness. Want your kids to be able to recover from whatever hell she puts them through.

    Give them the tools to empower themselves, and let nature work its, well not magic, logic.

    My friend I spoke of before won the war with his ex with unwavering trust in nature. He kept his daughters informed of what power they have, and encouraged them to speak their minds and not let others push them around. In what little time they had together, he let them know that he was on their side. When they need him, he will be there.

    …and he was there for them when the social worker noticed some problems with the bitch ex’s new husband. They understood that they could complain too.

    In short, some things you have to take on the chin as your tuition in the school of life…but some things about life are guaranteed.

    If people kids survive long enough, they turn into adults. This your ex does not have the power to change.

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  937. on October 15, 2010 at 9:26 am tigerpeniseater

    great! now i have to look for cub scout bases to have an orgasm… just one more complication in my life…

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