Drumroll please. Presenting the reader submitted nominees for the April 2009 Beta of the Month contest…
April 2009 BOTM Candidate #1 was submitted by reader Ben. It’s our first video submission for BOTM. It needs no introduction. I dare you to watch this all the way through without retching. If you’re short on time, start watching around the 5:30 mark.
Feeling nauseated? Some of you may be so aghast that you doubt the authenticity of this magnificent specimen of beta. Surely this must be a satire of lovesick losers? A frat hazing joke? Sorry, I’m afraid it’s the real deal. From his comments to the video:
“Love Story” Genuine real life love story of one man’s journey through time as he gives his all for one chance at a dream. Entirely filmed, produced, and directed by the man you see and him alone over the course of nine months. […]
I believe the person I made this video for is living somewhere with her family and I truly hope they are all happy and doing well. I made this video to present on youtube because it was the only way I felt I could reach out to her to let her know how I still feel.
Everyone should fully respect her privacy and wishes because I don’t know how she views me now after all this time. We were together for two years and I don’t know why for certain she was gone. I sincerely only want her to be happy even if that means me being out of her life. She is an awesome person who deserves the very best and I just hope she is able to see this.
File under: Oneitis.
Yeah, buddy, listen… this cheesy cornball shit won’t work to do anything except strip you of your last shred of dignity. Your flexing biceps can’t save you now.
This guy is a great example of the sort of suckass whose supplicating weakness you don’t notice right away. He’s good-looking, well built, and smiling like an idiot. But those muscles are painted on. Underneath the surface lies the beating heart of a natural born beta. Which just goes to prove that the tell-tale mark of the beta isn’t how you look, but how you behave.
I guarantee his ex watched this video in horror, her vaj slowly sealing shut like King Tut’s tomb. After the pity wore off, she recaptured her feminine essence by letting her new guy take her anally. There would be a little rectal tear.
The female commenters are hilarious:
this is so sweet, i can’t wait until i meet the guy who will care so much for me as you care for loren.
It never ceases to amaze how women can lie to themselves so effortlessly. Are women that removed from the workings of their own desire that they can’t recognize their true natures? Any beta with thoughts of romance reading the above will get the wrong idea and the vicious cycle will continue — girls saying they want one thing, logical guys with neediness issues giving them what they want, girls getting annoyed and dumping logical, needy guys.
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April 2009 BOTM Candidate #2 was submitted by reader Five. It’s the cringeworthy love story of the billionaire owner of the Red Sox who pours his heart out for a nascent cougar who, in turn, plays him like a fiddle.
It reminds us a little of a Lifetime movie: Fabulously rich Red Sox owner falls head over heels for an attractive, much-younger woman who initially rebuffs her bigshot suitor but ultimately relents and begins planning a wedding.
“Initially rebuffs”. Yes, she played him good. I’m sure it was a great sacrifice for her to “ultimately relent”. A smart, aging broad with the wall rapidly approaching knows to pull every trick out of her playette’s handbook to land a Daddy Warbucks pot of gold. Especially when he’s a groveling beta. Rule #1: Delude the chump that her depreciating pussy is worth more than it is. There’s a billion dollar lotto to win, and a state-sanctioned half-billion (pity poor Mel Gibson, the fool) if she can get him to sign on the dotted line and leave him when she gets bored by his obsequious fawning.
Now, if I had a billion dollars, I would leverage that pile in conjunction with my game to pull a steady stream of hot stripper pussy until I’m lying cold in the grave. Vagina varietals, if you will. No wedding ring required. But this guy, this titan of industry, this captain of capitalism, what does he do? He pens sappy love poems to a has-been 6:
Dear Linda,
A man needs a muse. Well, he doesn’t really. He doesn’t need nearly as much as he generally thinks he does. A man is greedy. Greedy for what he doesn’t think he has and what he thinks he wants.
We probably wouldn’t have wandered far beyond the basic necessities without that pushing us. Progress is one of its most important byproducts.
So you will ask, “Why are you writing this?” Because a brief encounter-and-a-half with you gave a cool spin to this little blue planet from my vantage point.
We feted the Celtics tonight and the skies opened. The sun emerged and created a giant rainbow between the city and the park. We were transfixed.
You only saw it if you were in the right place. I was in the right place when I noticed you.
I barely know you. I don’t have any illusions about capturing your heart. But the world is brighter, better, lighter and warmer when a man imbues a woman he knows — even tabula rasa — with the attributes that I believe reside in you. It’s the small things that ultimately matter, the subtle things.
I am honest. I don’t play games. And I see no reason not to say that I’ve been smitten by you and you’ve done me a great service.
You’ve very innocently made my world brighter, better, lighter and warmer.
So thanks.
No response is necessary because a man doesn’t need nearly as much as he thinks he does.
Here’s a pic of the Billionaire Beta’s muse:
Yenta-rrific!
This was her e-mail response to his passionately putrid overture:
A man may not need as much as he thinks he does, but courage and honesty should be acknowledged. I am not so naive as to believe I actually possess the qualities you attribute to me. But thank you.
Like a Stradivarius. No doubt she was actually turned off by his betatude, but with that much money in play, it makes sense to feed his delusions and keep him chasing. Why are so many rich dudes so goddawful with women? Is it low testosterone? A belief that their cash buffers them from their worst instincts with women? A refusal to learn what makes women tick? Or is it that all that dough allows them the luxury of indulging their most cloyingly romantic beta impulses?
There’s a theme to this month’s BOTM contest: Superficially alpha guys betraying their beta souls.
The voting:
Addendum
I noticed in the reader submissions that some of the female readers don’t quite grasp the concept of “beta”. For example, here’s a submission from Bhetti:
A 42-year-old man who authorities say fathered 14 children with 13 different women in Genesee County and owes more than $530,000 in child support has been jailed for dodging payments.
Thomas Frazier was ordered jailed Thursday and could spend 90 days behind bars if he doesn’t pay $27,900, The Flint Journal reported. Court records say he hasn’t made payments in the child support cases in six years.
“I tried to find someone who would love me for me,” said Frazier, who also described himself as a victim of a poor upbringing. Frazier said he thinks he fathered only three of the children – two daughters and a son.
Helpful hint: A guy who fathers 14 kids with 13 different women is the dictionary definition of an alpha. I understand you women may not see it that way, but the only judge that matters in this high stakes game of American Alpha is the pussy. Betas don’t father bastards. Betas father other men’s bastards.
i just about puked halfway into that video. Put a warning up or something next time.
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“Are women that removed from the workings of their own desire that they can’t recognize their true natures?”
Yes
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The #1 reason so many men work so hard to amass so much dough is to get access to women. This is what western civilization is based on. A rich dude’s money, in cases like this, is his game.
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Can’t see the video at this computer, but my impulse is to vote for No. 2.
Seriously — why pursue a woman you have no emotional bond with for marriage, especially if you are a billionaire??? Damn! other than having kids, the emotional bond is the only reason to get/keep a wife.
This brings me to the newest episodes of “Two and a Half Men,” in which Charlie is still engaged (why????) to a hot, though ageing and insufferable cold/bitchy Chelsea. Why are women/betas still writing the script for a TV show that’s supposed to celebtrate alphahood?
By the way, the other day I was helping my sister go through some of her stuff and I found a 6-year-old “love note” to her from a guy she used to work with. As with these BOTM candidates, the Beta Love Letter had these same parts in an anguished mix:
1) An unintentionally comical declaration of love
2) Sickening flattery apparently addressed to a Platonic Ideal rather than the real object of one’s attraction
3) Unconvincing oblique reference to one’s own quality
4) Barely-concealed notes of passive-aggressive resentment welling into muffled anger
5) A knightly statement of one’s desire that the object of affection be happy and fulfill all of her dreams blah blah blah
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The guy on that video…at first I thought it was a gay couple…so sappy. Can any man actually think that would work?
Sick…another lesson on the feminization of American men.
I’m ou tof here. Feeling kind of sick…think I’ll go make myself feel better by making my girlfriend cry.
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Yipes – that video is cheesy beyond belief. It actually does look like a joke. If I had seen that dude on the street, or in a bar, I’d have had no idea.
Why did Red Sox dude need to marry that chick? Why not just date/f*ck her for a while? I get that he’s too old for 20-somethings, and 30-somethings are what passes for nubile at that stage of life. (a 25-y.o. might want to f*ck a father figure, but not a grandfather figure…) So even if she
is about to hit that wall, so to speak, that shouldn’t matter so much from his point of view if he digs her. What’s outrageously dumb is putting his assets at the mercy of the diabilically evil and biased court system.
My vote goes to A. A guy who not only doesn’t know he’s a joke, but broadcasts his patheticity (?) to THE WHOLE WORLD …
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Beta A – simply nauseating.
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there is a difference between gaining access to women and forming an LTR with one. A billionaire could follow Roissy’s sugestion and hire a dozen hookers every weekend and drown himself in young, top-quality pussy. The second beta is marrying! He can’t be sure if her children will be his. And once a child is born, he can’t be sure if his fortune is still his.
concerning the betaness, the first guy wins by far. He already lost. He is humiliating himself before some other guy’s wife. The billionaire still has a slight chance of an enduring marriage. ANd even if she does leave/cuckold him, he still can live on half of his fortune hiring hookers.
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Now, if I had a billion dollars…
If I had a billion dollars I would hire people in every major city to hang out in public areas watching for the most overt beta behavior. Whenever the saw some schlub knuckling under like a sensitive little bitch around women they would slap the guy and say “Grow a pair!”.
And I’d do that stripper thing too. Or maybe just that.
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Hard for me to say. Video was more hilariously awful than funny—guy clearly will regret it in a few years. #2 is just sad, but more predictable—Henry was a midwestern farm boy who discovered a mechanical way to get rich off futures. He’d be #1, but nerdier, except for thsi talent.
Verdict: they both lose.
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He’s 59, she’s 30. As you get older, women in their 30’s and 40’s get more attractive to you.
If you are the billionaire owner of the Red Sox, learning game probably isn’t worth it too you. It takes work and, unlike the average guy, it isn’t hard to imagine your failures showing up in the papers.
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but, as peter would say—no GNP here. natch.
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Roissy:
I couldn’t help but notice that you and your friend Roosh V have different takes on the women of the world. Here’s what he noted in his latest newsletter:
“Western girls are easiest. American, English, Irish, and
Australian girls are the easiest in the world.”
But you wrote once upon a time:
“You are in for a rude awakening here, my friend. Our women are the bitchiest conceited cunts in the world, save perhaps British broads.”
What’s the deal?
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“Are women that removed from the workings of their own desire that they can’t recognize their true natures?”
Women crave alpha DNA, but need men to raise their children, which often winds up being beta males. Because few men will willingly raise another man’s bastards, women benefit by maintaining that the bastards actually belong to the beta.
Think about that– a woman has lies and hypocrisy in her GENES.
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If you are the billionaire owner of the Red Sox, learning game probably isn’t worth it too you.
I agree that Pick-up Game might be too much of a hassle for a billionaire is age to learn.
But LTR Game is even more crucial in his situation. He doesn’t even need to go out and practice it. Just read it, accept it, and act on it.
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I’m not sure that someone as filthy rich as John Henry can truly be a beta. In any event, the marriage probably isn’t a huge financial risk, as almost certainly he got the chick to sign an ironclad prenuptual agreement.
Peter
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This one was, at first, difficult. However, after dwelling on it, I have nothing but revulsion for Beta #1. Midway through the video I’m thinking that this strapping lad’s ex-gf must’ve been one fine piece to have yielded such undying, beta emotions from so, to all appearances, alpha a man. Wrong. I don’t even know if that girl rates a “6”.
Here’s a guy who should either be living the high life in the city with his twelve-inch biceps and rugged good looks, or living a peaceful life of domestic bliss with a cute, local farmgirl. Instead, he’s broadcasting his Betatude for all the world to see, in a video so relentlessly cheezy that it would make John Hughes blush. This guy should be out conquering the world, surfing beaches, and banging hot chicks, not demonstrating his immense Betatude. Pathetic.
#2 is stupid – but at least I expect that kind of behavior from him (despite his immense wealth).
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It’s very hard for me to see the first guy in the video as beta since he is really good looking and romantic.
Roiss, you’re wrong about that one. His taste in filmmaking would make him revolting to the SWPL set, but the type of chicks that get wet over twilight might go for that sort of thing.
Seriously, if that guy just learns to give a girl a good spanking in bed, he’s a keeper.
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These are not good choices. Neither is beta enough. I said to nominate the husband of the chick you went jogging with.
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One thing I think this blog, and the PUA movement entirely, forget about is that its all about happiness. The reason oneitis is shunned is because it tends to chase a woman away. Much the same in a marriage: putting a woman on a pedestal inevitably results in the woman treating the man like shit.
If you can find your way to fall head over heels for a girl, AND marry her, AND have her treat you well and respect you, you’ve got it made. Unfortunately, with most women, those three factors never take place at one time.
Its hard to say with John Henry’s case whether or not he managed to find a woman who will treat him right or not. But the former already chased away his woman, he’s clearly a loser.
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but once a child is born, don’t all pre-nups turn into dust?
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Roissy not enough warning on the video. Mere seconds scanned through its entirety was too much. The guy is so utterly lame and so utterly gone, well it doesn’t matter anymore. He’s so far beyond Hemmingway’s notion of dead, there’s no point in giving him the award.
John Henry wins the award by default. Anytime you go that far to kiss some chicks ass like that by letter, you’ve announced your utter depravity to dignity.
Now in the real world, would this chick even remotely accept such lameness from an average Joe in a bar. Now she does tell him that he’s projecting yet she relents. Wow, I wonder what must have convinced her?
Look at her eyes. And you can see the look of a mercenary far more sinister than any Hessian that George Washington faced in battle.
She’s going to take this guy for a ride.
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First video is a fake. My comment got stuck in moderation due to two URLs, but do a search for Ben Ryan Metzger and get the real backstory on the video.
It may be prudent to stop looking at everything in the world through such a prism of negativity and male-female relations. May I also recommend a search on projection?
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@Roger Khram
Where’s the discrepancy? Nothing prevents someone from being both a ‘bitchy conceited cunt’ and a slut…
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Even the background music sucks.
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I can’t watch the video. I’ve tried twice now.
So my vote is for that dude. The real “beta” is the guy whose romantic overtures are too embarrassing to sit through, even when they aren’t your problem to deal with.
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The billionaire looks like a fag in a Keith Olberman kind of way. Face, glasses, body language.
I think she’s very attractive. He seems like a total dork. He’s doing the best he can with his limited genetics. He’s a nearly 60 year old billionaire who bagged a cute 30 year old.
He’s doing a hellava lot better than me.
Check out the old lady in the background of this photo. She’s probably about his age.
If I make it to 60 I will seriously consider going a little Beta for a lady like this.
Acquiring the extra billion is going to be the tricky part.
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Oh, Hope! Thank God.
Ay! The internet is full of fakeness too horrible to be real, and realness too horrible to be fake.
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Hope:
Do you have a specific link? All I discovered was that the guy made the video because he wanted to be cast in a Captain America movie. How does that disprove the feelings on display? And why would a guy who wants to be cast as Captain America make a _fake_ movie about his undying love for some woman?
I’d like to believe that the whole thing is a total hoax – it’s truly beyond sad.
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The first one is worse, definitely. At least Henry is, for now, hittin it. (Or, should I say, meekly prodding it). The first guy doesn’t even have to sense to keep his weakness to himself, but doubles-down and broadcasts said weakness for all to see. Youtube, you are a double-edged sword…
PS – The “Lifetime movie” reference reminded me of this recent awesome Onion piece:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/empowered_man_murders_controlling
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The links are in the comment awaiting moderation, but I’ll post again:
http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/41555/the-ballad-douche-quadbike
When I watched the video I felt like there was no way this video was made for a girl. It was pretty nauseating, not because of the “beta” behavior, but because it really holds more appeal to homosexual men than to heterosexual women.
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so painful… seriously, THANK GOD for Roissy. I have learned so much from your postings. More men need the stench of betatude shoved under their noses. The world at large needs to rid itself of Betas. Bitches need to be put back in their place…
and that would be on their knees ready to worship the cock
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“Nothing prevents someone from being both a ‘bitchy conceited cunt’ and a slut…”
That level of bitterness is usually reserved for sexually withdrawn women.
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I’m not buying that the first video is real, plus he could kick my ass. I voted for John Henry.
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I think the real beta is whoever wrote/recorded that godawful love ballad.
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haha, this is gonna get good
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Hey Hope, go gargle a pair of nuts in your mouth.
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I thought it was some kind of tire commercial. Then I saw it was all done for a bespectacled Miss Piggy. My vote is easy.
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As I watched the first video, memories of BK flooded back.
Thank you for this, Roissy.
Whatever problems we had before, I want to thank you for showing me that I did not almost shag the most pathetic big doofus in the world.
He probably dumped Loren two years ago, for some “10” harpy, and after being dragged through the mud, as is his destiny, remembers the one woman on earth whose only demand was that he be a fucking man.
…and he failed.
…and he’s still failing.
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Look at the guys in this link – #2 Natan Kuchar, #6 Justin Wohlstadter
There’s a rising generation of mutants out there. LOL!!
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This isn’t even a competition this month. That video is just too epic to lose.
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Onion article awesome, as always. Lifetime for Men – what a concept.
I too am actually relieved that the first video might be a fake. And I also picked up on the homo aspect of it, but did not post it. Could Loren be a beard? She’s definitely the type…
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Been lurking for a while, but damn this BOTY contest is just grueling. I would honestly have thought you’d have trouble finding so many amazing saps.
The video guy is a clear winner this month. Initially, I thought it had to be a video-proposal to an unspeakably hot girl. (The sound might have made a difference, I watched at work, no sound.) When the first photos of the girl came up, I thought they had to be bad photos. Clearly she must be hotter than that. But no.
And then it turns out she dumped him 2 years ago and he “still doesn’t know why.” I know why. And so does everyone who’s seen that video emetic.
I also had the thought that the guy was an obvious closet case.
Frankly, he should just come out already and start what will no doubt be an award-winning career as a gay pornstar.
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Sean, that video is probably recycled from something he made for the harpy he likely dumped Loren for. You could put any girl’s name in that.
Just climb the flagpole (how very Freudian) for each one you want to impress.
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Blighter says, “Clearly she must be hotter than that.”
For the beta type, not just beta in general social hierarchy, so long as she fits the general media template, that’s hot enough.
She’s blonde, and not extremely fat.
…and if she hasn’t spoken to him in 2 years, apparently very smart.
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“It’s very hard for me to see the first guy in the video as beta since he is really good looking and romantic. ”
—this from the lesbian tryign to sleep with girls. She needs guys like this around, if only to disgust their gfs into muff diving.
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video guy. Billionaires aren’t betas, they still command tremendous power and respect you can’t even dream of, Roissy. I don’t care how solid your game is or how bad Billionaire is with women, he can cheat on this broad all he wants and bang whoever he wants because he has the money, fame, and looks. All 3 of those combined>>game.
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Funniest shit on the internet. Looks like Roissy’s girlfriend. LOL
(watch it to the end to get the full blast).
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“Billionaires aren’t betas, they still command tremendous power and respect you can’t even dream of, Roissy. I don’t care how solid your game is or how bad Billionaire is with women, he can cheat on this broad all he wants and bang whoever he wants because he has the money, fame, and looks. All 3 of those combined>>game.”
Maybe they do, but not this guy. He doesn’t even respect himself.
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#1 hands down…. So pathetic and gay. Muscles are all he’s got to pick up chicks, and when it wasn’t enough, his best thought was to showcase his muscles in a retarded movie thats impossible not to FF through.
-Moving tires into a “U”…LOL
I’m open minded enough to recognize the woman’s game in story #2 is AIR TIGHT. I almost have to tip my hat to her. Even though Henry’s beta in a few ways, he’s still a billionaire and i find it hard to imagine that he isn’t well aware of his self worth and carry himself with the appropriate confidence. He may well have just gotten tripped up by the master gameplay of an attractive woman 20 years younger and an arguable genius. Throw in some pre-nups and i cant call him a loser by any means. Plus who knows how many call girls are in his history and present.
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I often wonder how much pussy Bill Gates has gotten in his lifetime.
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man, i knew that dude in the video was beta without any pre-warning from Roissy. how? those footprints in the dirt in the opening seconds of the video. made by a duckwalking chump (chimp?) beta. spot ’em in an instant…
jmo
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Damn! That loren guy takes the cake! Never seen anything like it. I genuinely felt sick. It is just too ostentatious. Is it an act? A parody?
He must be sick in the head. Unbeleivable
http://www.youtube.com/user/BoldRevelationsMight
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@Seeking Alpha:
Part of roissy’s gripe against American and British broads are their approachability, or lack thereof:
“Every American man I’ve spoken to who has spent some time in East Europe has raved about the quality, quantity, femininity and approachability of the Slavic siren. You are in for a rude awakening here, my friend. Our women are the bitchiest conceited cunts in the world, save perhaps British broads. I suggest bringing whatever thug-lite Russian game you have left in your veins to bear on the American co-eds of your worst nightmares.”
Their either conceited unapproachable cunts like Roissy says, or the easiest women in the world like Roosh V claims.
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Nicole
How can you be so mean?
He is just trying to fight cancer, win back his lost love, and become Captain America.
Cynic.
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🙂
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I vote number 1 for closet case of the month. How many ass shots did he need to put in the video? And the spandex! Oh Lord the spandex!!
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The billionaire isn’t beta. He has plenty of available options, he’s just choosing to go after this certain woman for one reason or another.
The video guy has oneitis and is not in control of any part of the situation.
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True Alpha Male
1. The Billionaire may be an alpha in the board room, but in the bedroom he has fallen for the old romance ideal. It doesn’t seem like he is looking for a sexual partner, as much as a partner in life. It’s lonely at the top as they say.
2. The GI Joe beta dude is just a case of a hopeless romantic. He doesn’t seem to notice that a guy with that body/face looks even more foolish acting so feminine.
3. I think your view of the alpha is super-limited if you consider the man who fathered 14 kids to 13 different women an alpha. He might be considered an alpha in his socio-economic class, but if he were in the Billionaire’s socio-economic class, he would probably be shunned. The alpha male in the billionaire club is more likely to be someone like Nick Sarkozy or Richard Branson. Then again, both Dick and Nick have a masculinity inherent in their faces that you don’t see in either the Billionaire or the Beta (no matter the size of his muscles).
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Before reading the stuff Hope posted I was suspicious of the first guy’s video.
There was just too much beefcake. It seemed more about promoting himself. The story that she “just left” for places unknown sounded unbelievable.
One thought that occurred to me is that Loren would turn up dead and Mr. Muscles would help find “the real killer.”
[Too far fetched]
Another thought that occurred to me was, given the amount of cyber-flirting going on in the comments, this was all a plan to build a list of prospects that he would game in a non-beta manner.
[If he was that good he would just he would not need the Internet]
The next thought was that this was promoting his acting career.
[Possible]
In the end who cares? True or not, the end result would be the same: Loren cringing in embarrassment and he wasting two years of his life (that is 8 to 10 percent, assuming he is in his early 20s) for nothing.
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Man, that is an incredible video. I tried watching it the whole way through, but it was just too much. Even if you think this is a good idea, you can do a video like that in 2-3 minutes. 7 is extreme overkill. Roissy is exactly right – this is the kind of thing that girls think they want, but when they get it, they run for the hills, because it’s pathetic.
Does anybody really believe John Henry isn’t cheating on this girl? He is the smartest owner in baseball (and I hate hate hate the Red Sox) and has an absurd fortune. He didn’t amass this wealth as a beta. The poem and the film are both beta activities, but Henry’s gesture was less intense and his stature is far greater. This one has been the easiest BoTM vote for me thus far.
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I often wonder how much pussy Bill Gates has gotten in his lifetime.
That depends on his sex drive. He maybe a monopolist with a barely functional OS, but the dude went for a fellow geek who wasn’t megahot or sexual looking. I suspect that he may simply have a low sex drive and hasn’t used his millions or billions to “buy” women in a public manner similar to methods used by Donald Trump.
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If Henry has an iron-clad pre-nup, then he does not deserve to be BOTM. I kind of like the Red Sox, so here’s hoping it all works out, although many train wreck signs are certainly present from a skim of that article.
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Well, here is the ladies response to “Jizz in my pants”.
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Default User, four years ago, when I was fatter, I stepped up to the entrance of a pub, and met a beautiful bodybuilding doofus. It was all good until he turned out to be a classic beta, (supposedly) knocked up his ex girlfriend who nobody knew about because he was too poor for her to want to be seen with until she was aging out of the market. Even his mother hates her.
I met his mom in a pub awhile after all the breaking up and stepping back to let him live his pathetic life. She likes me, but we didn’t exchange numbers because I kinda flirted with her a bit before I knew she was the doofus’s mom, and that would have been too close for comfort.
I now regret my selfish embarassment because recently she had a stroke, and her bitch daughter in law is not helping her at all, and still yelling and screaming all damn day about how everything is wrong and the doofus isn’t making enough money for her.
When a man is a failure, he fails himself most of all. Before BK, I might have had a little sympathy. Now I’m picturing his mom in a wheelchair getting yelled at by whatever harpy he almost certainly will choose to spend his life with.
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Maurice–
No he’s not. Not with his kind of money – IF he had game.
Well even without game he could date heavily gold digging 20 somethings but he’d be in GRAVE danger of THEIR pump and marry and wait 3-5 years and dump in that case.
Anyone that rich is in danger of that even with game. Hence he absolutely needs a prenup. (In theory only the increase in his wealth after marriage should be subject to equal division without a prenup in most states but lawyers have been chipping at this, what with the backwind of a culture that’s incredibly biased in favor of women and making them equal even in cases where they aren’t.)
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Another thing that hasn’t been brought up about the first guy–the video took him NINE MONTHS to complete. Think about that. This was not just some love letter or video journal that exploded out of him at 4am after a night of drinking jack daniels and combing through his ex’s leftover knick knacks. Despite all the time, money, and absurd logistics, this ‘man’ never once had a genuine moment of pause that might have led him to think this video wasn’t such a good idea.
Another tidbit many may have missed because it comes up at the very end of the video: there’s a popup that reads “Loren has seen this though I haven’t heard from her. So I truly hope she is happy and living her dreams.” Chilling.
I think this has been the best beta of the month post yet. It really illuminates some of the more subtle aspects of the alpha/beta dichotomy, and provides a forceful demonstration against the “alpha as leader of man” concept.
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I had a WTF look on my face the entire time Im watching the video. Sometimes I wish my boyfriend was more romantic, but umm, not anymore!
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Default User says, “The story that she “just left” for places unknown sounded unbelievable.”
Unless she was a schizophrenic transient, it is unbelievable.
If he gave half a damn about her, he’d have gotten some contact information from her, and kept in touch often enough to know what was going on with her.
He didn’t recognize her value. He admits in the video that he missed his one chance to tell her how he felt. He didn’t really miss the chance. He didn’t think it was worth it.
Like most betas in the U.S. especially, he is or was in search of the unicorn: the 10 with a heart of gold.
My radar was a bit messed up because most of my gym friends were also martial artists, but from BK and other guys like him, I learned important lessons about the beefcake flavors. Some of them do it for themselves, but the steroid taking kind (like this guy) are pursuing this set of television induced dreams that include a 10 looking wife.
The buff body is the matching look for the Barbie wife. So it’s all a kind of package.
Forget that it means origami sex unless they cheat…but what’s messed up is that the beta sort don’t cheat, or if they do, they duck and dodge even if their wife is barely concealing her extracurriculars.
Loren probably saw the punk in him…either the gay or the Hulk Hogan fan doofus, and just faded out of his life because she either couldn’t or didn’t want to compete with hypothetical or actual unicorns (actually girls pretending to be unicorns until they get the ring).
Wherever she is, I’d tell her to keep running. He will never truly appreciate her.
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Bhetti just likes the 14 kids guy because he has that many kids.
Bhetti needs to get busy on cranking out an army of jihadis to outnumber and topple feminism/Perez Hilton.
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Both of these are cases where the men have way more than it takes to be an alpha, but aren’t. They’re great for illustrating Roissy’s game message because that’s so clearly all that’s missing, but wow does it matter.
The first guy has a ripped body and a great many women if they never saw this video and couldn’t see his eyes would call him a stud muffin. Because of cultural programing that clouds conscious awareness of the importance of male playful and skillful male dominance for female attraction, many would say the same thing even after looking at his eyes or even seeing this video.
Even without this video, if you just look at the guys eyes and know what’s what, it’s a big tell. His eyes look deferential and slightly fearful – anxious. He’s a follower, not in any way a leader.
It’s all or almost all programming. Yeah he probably doesn’t have real high testosterone but with that muscled body it’s not negligible either. it started at home and continued at school and the media. That guy would profit from game enormously. Just huge. However, he doesn’t look shall we say excessively bright. He’d be very hard to convince he needed it, especially because I’m sure he does get women. He just doesn’t keep them or blow them off their feet or get as hot as he could.
The billionaire guy has even more on the ball. Actually he is an alpha by any fair measure of his attrativeness to women. Yes he’s old but he’s not ancient, and looks vigorous and very healthy. He’s not remotely fat but tall and lean. He’s fairly good looking in a dorky sort of way. Be could be a major alpha with game. His problems are entirely in his software re: women. He’s been trained up terrible. His benefits from game would be enormous.
The two are hard to grade. We all want to be tough on a billionaire who doesn’t clean up with women. However this woman, who I agree looks like she has potential to ass rape and emasculate him, really hasn’t done anything bad to him. She’s also no 6. She’s at least an age adjusted 7 and maybe might have been an 8 when younger. Maybe – or a high 7. If he’s in his late 40’s he may well not want one or several or a succession of 20 somethings. (Though for god’s sake he should play with that some!!)
However why in hell he’d go for a late thirties woman rather than an early one, and why not a 10, or at least a 9, is beyond me. Or it isn’t. He’s mentally thoroughly beta. He’s doing his best to be beta.
His method of courtship is woefully beta, informed as it is by extreme chivalry not even slightly tinged with playful teasing.
However his behavior is nowhere near as ridiculously beta as the dirt ORV stud muffin, manque.
So I’m going to vote for #1, even though I suspect most have voted for #2.
They both are doing exactly the same thing though. Vastly diminishing big alpha assets by a woeful lack of game, and displays of anti-game.
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Henry shouldn’t be nominated here. HE is 60. A hot 30 year old is perfect for him. Roissy, I agree with a lot of what you write, but calling her a cougar is a little much.
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“If you are the billionaire owner of the Red Sox, learning game probably isn’t worth it too you. ”
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
The author of this statement does not know what Game is.
Game’s greatest value is to avoid exactly the situation that this billionaire is in. Game will free a man from the torture, suffering, loneliness, and manipulation that men are otherwise vulnerable to. Avoiding this torture is the MOST valuable aspect of Game.
Scoring with hot chicks is only the second most valuable benefit of Game.
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That video is a total hoax. You guys need to check the batteries in your BS detectors.
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Roissy, man no shit I had seen this video a few months back. This is before i had considered the alpha/beta label heavily.
I immediately though this video just had to be a fraud.
Back then to me the guy just looked like he would have massive pussy flow. I was wrong.
Pity.
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Timing…I just got a call from another big doofus who married an origami Barbie.
…didn’t answer.
I pray he doesn’t own a video camera.
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This guy qualifies as beta of the year in a way that may not be so obvious to everyone:
Charla Muller gives husband a year’s worth of sex for his 40th birthday
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25409145-2,00.html
It sets him up for beta of the year because it assumes:
– That sex is a gift she gives him
– That sex with him is a chore
– That she is sexy enough to hump every night, where as he isn’t.
– That even if she were sexy enough to hump every night, that he would want to do it to her every night
If a chick did this to me, I would tell her to wait for her birthday and then get down on her knees and beg like a dog.
Eric
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@ darth
that video is simply not funny. what’s more it was made to sell some fake engagement ring that’s supposed to shield women from unwanted advances. compare that to this version:
if you can tell me why the first one is not funny and this one kind of is, then i’ll know that you know a little something about women. and that’s unlikely after your first nonsense comment.
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“Anyone that rich is in danger of that even with game. Hence he absolutely needs a prenup.”
Even men much poorer than this need a pre-nup. For a variety of reasons.
However, on top of a pre-nup, a man this rich should make sure he is not a resident of a place with feminist laws. Why not live in Dubai (or wherever else divorce laws are tolerable for men) for 27 weeks out of the year, and in Boston just 25 weeks. I don’t know about MA law, but this could enable him to shift his residency (and hence divorce jurisdiction) to Dubai.
If Dubai is too far, I am sure even the Caribbean countries or Latin American countries are better. Let that be their ‘primary retreat’. The woman won’t even know why that country was chosen for their home.
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Roissy wrote :
–I noticed in the reader submissions that some of the female readers don’t quite grasp the concept of “beta”. —
To all women reading this :
A Beta is every man you know, who your best looking female friend has not slept with.
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It is possible that the woman that the billionaire covets has Game of her own.
That is why this man covets her, despite his access to cheerleaders, etc.
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Men who judge women by actions and not words : they grasp Game.
Men who judge women by words : clueless to Game.
Knowing Game is like having auto insurance. If you don’t have it, you are just fine until a mishap. Then, you are screwed.
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Tood, most guys can’t afford to keep two residences in different countries.
Finding a 10 with a heart of gold is like finding the holy grail, so I’d advise guys to simply choose which of those two is most important, and prepare accordingly.
If you have to have someone hot then I think Roissy’s style is best for that. He’s not trying to get into a committed relationship, so their level of honor doesn’t matter. He knows what he wants and is going for it with no compromises.
Guys who want to get married though, should look for wives, not whores. It’s really that simple. Find someone who isn’t a whore.
What a guy needs game for is to not convince either type that he’s a pussy. No matter what kind of woman you’re looking for, all women should view you as a man.
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Tood says, “A Beta is every man you know, who your best looking female friend has not slept with.”
What if they’ve tried to sleep with some guys I know, but the guys rejected them?
Alpha type guys don’t have to shag *every* hot girl they come across. Some of them, they enjoy being unattainable to.
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inre charla miller and her 365 days of sex:
do white people do anything anymore without planning to write a book about it?
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@Nicole – Why can’t you read between the lines of your own comments? Your best-looking friend is obviously not, or if she is hot then she has emotional/social/mental issues.
If she is attractive and has a decent personality, she gets banged.
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Lance
inre charla miller and her 365 days of sex:
do white people do anything anymore without planning to write a book about it?
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But everything white people do is massively important! If they did not write books how would they live up to their huge egos?
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Plethora, if I posted photos, you’d try to downgrade them and say that they’re not all that. However, down here on earth and not in the blogosphere, they’re the kind of girls every guy they meet wants to shag.
Problem is that some of the guys are already taken, married, or aren’t all that impressed just because a girl looks hot and has a “decent personality”.
Guys who are overly impressed with hotness don’t care about personality anyway.
Now I can’t tell a man how to be a man, but I’d say that passing the same girl around a group of friends is not an alpha defining quality.
Call me silly for that if you like, but some guys sloppy seconds is not what most of the guys I’d call alpha are into.
So they tend to rate girls’ shaggability according to more than being under a size 7 and not talking to imaginary friends in public.
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All
Well I just voted and see I guessed wrong. By a 2-1 majority you all agreed with me that the first guy is the greater beta.
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I vomited so heavily in my mouth that I nearly choked to death. Those are two truly horrific beta-tales. Thanks.
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Lance:
The video you posted wasn’t really any funnier than the first one. Women just can’t do comedy. Both came off as being vindictive, whereas the original “Jizz in my Pants” was clever and self-depreciating. Naturally, it also had better lyrics, both from a content and flow standpoint.
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Nicole
Before BK???
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why does every female who posts here (okay, not all…omw seems cool) tries to provide dissent of some sort?
anyone else notice that?
*as a counter-observation, not all the guys here are instant yes-men.
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A man doesnt need balls.
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Default User, I usually give people nicknames when I write about them online. The names are changed to protect the guilty…that sort of thing.
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Mr. M asks, “why does every female who posts here (okay, not all…omw seems cool) tries to provide dissent of some sort?”
Because we’re female, and we like to talk about things, not just nod or shake our heads.
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Brooklyn Redneck
If you’re right on your facts (which I don’t feel like looking up) then he’s not only a billionaire but looks remarkably vital, if still dorky, for 60. As well you’re right 30 is plenty young for him. (He could go with 29 to sound better, but that’s really just for this forum’s purposes. It’s silly.)
However she’s not nearly a hot enough young thirties for him, as I said earlier. There are SKADs of 30 year old 9’s who’d want him if he showed game – and to some extent even though he doesn’t. Among those 9’s he could find the personality type he wants that’s highly sympatico with him, he has that much to choose from. Or should.
His programing is terribly messed up by feminism. Hell, he wasn’t even raised as a child and young kid by anything more than proto feminism, unless his mother was Katherine Hepburn. Look to his mother – and his father.
Though actually proto feminism was still pretty bad and reminiscent of mainstream feminism today in places it flourished, it just hadn’t taken over all over yet.
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Because we’re female, and we like to talk about things, not just nod or shake our heads.
have you ever had a conversation with other women? ever?
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Call it socially engineered, indoctrination programming. Men are wrong, women are right.
Men cannot do anything without feminine approval.
Brings to mind a joke I heard the other day in the office from a male co-worker:
“If a man is in a forest, all by himself, and he says something that no woman can hear…is he still wrong?”
Everybody in the office was laughing…
…except for me.
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@ asdf
neither video was as funny as ‘jizz in my pants’, but the one i posted quite obviously displayed a much better grasp of the basic principles of comedy that you mentioned. the women in that video at least displayed a willingness to show some vulnerability and let themselves be the but of the joke. something lacking in the first.
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Mr. M asks, “have you ever had a conversation with other women? ever?”
Yes.
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a male co-worker???
sigh.
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Whoa.
Beta “A,” by a mile. What’s really sad is at the end, you can see he’s added a little box in blue that says “Loren has seen this, but she hasn’t contacted me, yet.” God, that beta-lash hurts so bad I can feel it from here. Poor sap.
Depending on how old this “Loren” chick is, I predict she strings him along with emails and what-not for a few years while she goes around giving blow jobs to guys she meets at bars, slyly hinting to the beta via email that she is interested in someone with a “secure” financial life. Beta A amasses a modest fortune working his ass off, stays in shape, etc etc, while the girl keeps banging other dudes. Then, as her market value starts to slip and she can’t pull the desirable alphas she once could, she cashes in for a pretty high-value beta (even if she finds him sexually revolting, he’ll be socially validating for her, with those big muscles and soap-opera hair).
Also: based on some of the “before” photos that flash by, it looks like this guy has beefed up since he was with the girl… probably part of the motivation of making the video was to show her how he’s improved. Again, poor sap.
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Man, I don’t think neither of the guys to be Beta.
“File under: Oneitis”
It happens some times. Some times, you really get involved with a girl. And, for what I got, they spent two years togeather as a coupple, it hardly means a kind of love and permission-to-everything relation and asking nothing in exchange like I have with “my” ten.
He’s not Beta. He just fell in love. That’s not one Oneitis it’s just a failed relation with a girl he was pre disposed to invest all in.
The other is rich as hell and I don’t believe he has written out of his soul. Probabily, he just asked a staff member to do it for him. I don’t know… and I bet he gets laid with luxury hookers.
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From Wikipedia:
John William Henry II (born September 13, 1949 in Quincy, Illinois) is a futures and foreign exchange trading advisor who founded John W. Henry & Company (JWH). He is the principal owner of the Boston Red Sox and co-owner of Roush Fenway Racing. In March 2006, Boston Magazine estimated his net worth at $860 million, but noted that his company had recently experienced difficulties.[1] In May 2007, reports in the Wall Street Journal[2] and Bloomberg noted further difficulties with the firm.
He is 59 and will turn 60 this September.
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Man, I don’t think neither of the guys to be Beta.
Virgin, did you purposely put that double negative in there to be coy, or are you that blind to what a beta is?
Bets anyone?
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Nicole–
I don’t think it’s any harder than finding an 8 with one. It is harder than finding a 6 with one. A 10 is unlikely to have developed compassion due to having been terribly emotionally hurt herself, though under unusual circumstances that can happen. But genes do matter. As does her immediate family. If she adores her admirable but not uber famous or successful father, that’s a VERY good tell.
The thing is the guy who isn’t a super alpha himself is going to be reaching hard to get a 10 or a solid 9 and hence is likely to get the dregs personality wise of that looks category. So that’s why it feels to most mere mortals the way you describe.
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Dave –
from personal/professional experience i’ll have to agree. and whats striking to me is that women rarely will contradict other women (provided they are not openly at odds, or competing for something, etc).
are women more susceptible to group think?
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I watched the video first, and was all charged up and ready to chastise roissy for calling it Beta. I mean here is this masculine, all-American, refreshingly un-SWPL guy proposing marriage to his girlfriend by making a 7 minute video of him showing off, flexing his ass, throwing around gigantic tractor tires, and riding dirt bikes. That’s just not Beta in my book.. that’s fucking awesome. Cheesy as hell, mind you, but still awesome.
UNTIL. UNTIL I got to the part where it wasn’t a marriage proposal for his girlfriend at all. It was just an ill-conceived year-long video production for some long lost ex! That’s the point where the video went from Alpha to Apatow for me. Elaborate marriage proposals involving pectoral muscles = cool. Elaborate needy-notes to lost exes = creepy.
It gets my vote. I mean I can think of more pathetic things than a 60 year old man marrying an attractive 30 year old.
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Virgin, just because they were together 2 years doesn’t mean they were actually a couple. If the photos he posted were the best he could come up with of togetherness shots then it looks like she was his bitch. She did not look secure and he didn’t look committed.
I could be wrong, but well…my spider senses are tingling, and it looks like painfully stupid betatude. A smarter guy being treated well (as he was according to his comments) would have kept her, even if he was a normal level beta.
No, this is the kind of guy who is the family television’s anal loveslave through and through, and is maybe just now getting old enough to realize that unicorns don’t exist.
…or perhaps whoever he married or got engaged to, who seemed better than her at the time, has dumped him and this is him recycling the proposal video for the harpy, and crawling back.
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Ok, both guys are super beta.
Which would have the easier time turning alpha?
IMO, Guy A could easily pull direct game using his looks. All he would have to do is learn to use decent body language for a while until he internalizes something of an alpha frame.
Billionaire owner of the Red Sox is pretty well fucked because of what people think is his big edge: his money. Unless his game is super tight women would rather see him as a meal ticket than a sperm donor.
Chris Rock has a routine about this:
“Women get real practical when they think about having sex with me. ‘Maybe if I fuck him he’ll pay my Visa bill'”
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Mr. M is full of questions, “are women more susceptible to group think?”
Yes.
In the controversial “would you be a nazi” sort of tests, as well as less dramatic studies of social dynamics, women tend to be more likely to go with the crowd or with an authority figure, even in harmful and unethical activities.
Now you understand why I’d rather hang out with guys.
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So, question about game…
do looks have anything to do with game or is game the set of actions and attitudes that are independent from game that lead to or detract from alphaness?
my thinking is that looks, money, cars, status, good job etc are merely variables that serve to attract women. game is another one of these variables. while they may be correlated, it is incorrect to say that a guy can use his looks to increase game. he can use his looks to increase number of lays, but his looks serve the same function as game.
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Tood–
As you know I completely agree. I don’t think anyone on this board says prenup more than I do. Everyone should get one.
The prenup should essentially say that if there’s a divorce then the economic split would be exactly like it would be if they were merely living together with no contract written or oral in a state with neither common law marriage nor palimony. You could use New York, because that sounds good and liberal (and is) but doesn’t recognize either of those. Of course you’d have to do more than that, but that’s the core idea. Oh and she gives consent for DNA testing of any child at birth.
As for living somewhere else a tad more than half the year, ok, but please not Dubai.
The Bahamas are sometimes used for these and other purposes. Hong Kong might appeal too, as long as the laws on this don’t remain British. (The Bahamas became independent of Britain way earlier before current divorce law type changes went down though I don’t actually know what their laws on that are. They’re probably been bought to not change to favor women too much though, not that there’d be a lot of local feminist pressure to do so, only remote UK urgings, which is probably weak gruel these days on such things.
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Maybe living in rural areas has the effect of making men more beta around females.
I mean, when there are more cows in your town then there are young, unmarried females, maybe it’s harder to let go. Easier to feel that that one girl was your “last chance”.
But in the city, where there is an endless chain of young, unmarried women, it’s harder to convince yourself that any one girl is your “last shot”.
I’d say he needs to get to the city, but I think he’ll be happier if he stays put and finds a better-quality conservative town girl.
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There is no contest this month. Candidate #1 just may be the beta of the year with that video.
They don’t write comedy that good.
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Perhaps if the contest were decided now, you may be right.
But with 7 months to go, there’s a damn good chance Mr. Valenti is going to end up with those honors.
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Women will contradict other women all the time. Like some of Roissy’s other posts have pointed out, female relationships are a sham (unfortunately) because most women view every other woman as competition even when it’s completely unnecessary.
And I know that this post is aiding in your original comment…but not all of my posts are meant to be argumentative 🙂
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Nicole, Mr. M
I’d say that women are VERY much more succeptible to group think. It’s just that many men are too. But a good large minority of men are quite or very resistant to it, and form resistant or rebel groups all the time.
People however are all social animals however, except autistics, who are to, a little. After long enough time in isolation we literally have literally continuing to think sanely, unless we are provided with pseudo human communication such as books or TV, or real two way human communications, such as the interwebs.
The thing is though that it’s a RARE woman who can resist group think for long. The great majority of women are REALLY uncomfortable fighting a group by themselves. They almost NEED support, which yes can very much be from men but also from other women. You can crush women intellectually, almost all of them, if you have them one on one. Well if you’re any good. They’ll flee. They’ll sulk. They’ll stop arguing.
They need their group.
Yeah that’s true of a lot of men too, but there are a sizeable number of men form whom it isn’t true. There’s only a tiny number of women.
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“Virgin, did you purposely put that double negative in there to be coy, or are you that blind to what a beta is?”
See Mr. M, my english sucks that much. The one is not Beta because “falling in love with a girl you had for two years” is different from “oneitis”.
What he probabily has is too much free time.
The second guy, okay, he’s probabily a beta. Although the first, despite NOT being a Beta, is the one who acts the most “betish”.
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Brooklyn Redneck
Thanks. Got any info on her?
She doesn’t look 30 to me. Rather 35-40.
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Dave from Hawaii–
Yeah.
The thing is I can just FEEL that Valenti is headed for cuckold, and very possibly full fledged knowing cuckoldville.
I’d doubt that #1 here would do that. Well I don’t really know, but I’ve seen nothing that makes me really think so. He would be VERY slow on the uptake to catch cheating though. And he might forgive it. But probably not continue to live with it. Or I don’t see any evidence that he would.
Mr. Valenti though could be spun, or himself create, some feminist reason why it’s right and proper that his wife one sidedly indulges in better and more virile lovers while he remains faithful and at home looking after their (well her’s anyway) kids. That’s what’s going to be greatly expanding under feminist American culture if we don’t start to require a return to a more normal (consider history and other places) masculine culture and divorce laws.
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To Lance,
It is funny, it is not funny, tell me this or that. you know something about women or not.
Who gives a merde?
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Roissy,
You might like this article from the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all
The just of the article is that scientific experiments have shown that women really do not know what sexually excites them, even as they’re being sexually excited.
A quip:
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Roissy,
You call this a “has-been 6”. I estimate she would have scored NAF or Greater Beta on your dating market test five years ago, which implies she is was a 7 or an 8.
She resembles my current FWB, who is a solid Nascent Alha Female by your test, even while missing some style and personality points. In one of your replies to a female reader, you equate a NAF with an 8.
So either your test is wrong or you exaggerate her ugliness.
Which is strange, since your test seems good. While I don’t mind some twists her and there, I prefer to take your ratings and judgments seriously, so I’m probably missing something.
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kim –
in my professional (more so) and personal experience i’ve rarely seen females contradict each other; the only exception i can notably think of is when 2 girls had an open dissent of each other amongst our entire company… the catch? they both dated the same guy.
i don’t necessarily argue your bringing about roissy’s view that female relationships are shams, but i think everyone knows women are much more tactful at being superficial, especially amongst other women.
as for female vs male dynamics, the stories i’ve seen/heard are endless about female superiors/staff who try to challenge males…over the most mundane of issues.
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A blog article about how Henry dumped his first wife 14 months ago to trade up to this younger model.
http://graneyandthepig.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/red-sox-owner-rebounds-with-30-year-old/
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Mr. M
Females are a lot more easily and thoroughly propaganised than men are — though both are to a chilling degree. Feminism has worked mightily to shame women for disloyalty to the sisterhood in front of men when anything remotely related to women’s rights or feminism is involved. It’s not natural but it is learned.
Feminism remember is thorough embraced in the mainstream media and elite sanctioned culture, just not in it’s current most radical movement version, which is what is called “feminism” on campus etc.
Although it builds on something natural. Women do naturally coalesse to limit male dominance outside of a sexual context when it contradicts the group’s norms. That’s a lot of why women huddle and gossip so much, etc. For that matter these mechanisms are a lot of what support group norms, especially group sexual norms.
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I voted A. Red Sox guy is a hazard only to himself (and to his bank account), but video guy risks convincing some poor schmuck that his strategy might actually work.
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I just watched the first Beta’s video. It wasn’t as awful as I expected it to be. Sure, it’s loserish to go through such declerations of love for a chick who left him, but at least he’s smiling and not sobbing through the video. Counts for something.
If he was my brother, I’d slap him across the face and make him read this blog. He’d see the error of his ways and join the ranks of men.
I voted for the old piss-douche who wrote love letters to his beloved gold digger.
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Yeah, I’m reading the comments to that video, and that guy is soooper-beta. Apparently his girlfriend dumped him the one time he was bold enough to express his opinion on something. Can you hardly believe she didn’t forgive for this grave error, despite the fact that they “talked about it many times”?? I mean God DAMN, son. This dude is an 8, and this farmbitch is a 6. It’s not right.
“I believe Loren knows that I was always faithful and gave her my best every single day.
Although there was one time in the past when I spoke my mind and I have come to realize that I should have handled that situation differently. She and I talked about it many times. But you can’t go back and that’s why I made this video.”
http://bit.ly/dwc38
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kim–
It would be helpful cutie (well I’m hoping and see no contrary evidence) if you’d post a name and at least a brief quote to make it easy for people to understand who and what you’re responding to.
I know you aren’t the only one who usually doesn’t. I get to frequent posters from time to time. Especially ones I actually want to read.
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I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that women in power feel that they have to prove something. Um, this could go along the lines of some women feeling that they have to fight harder to get into positions of power than males do (the counter argument of course being affirmative action, etc). Not saying that that’s right…but I think that is sort of the mentality behind it.
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Rain and–
Yeah, in looks (weighted mostly by his bod) he might be an 8, but he sure isn’t on Roissy’s alpha male scale. He’s not an alpha but should and could be with even half way decent game.
You raise something interesting from the comments to that video (which I haven’t read). Her reaction to him disagreeing with her is EXACATLY the sort of thing which causes guys like him to cement their betatude and fall further into it.
Her reaction was influenced both by her largely unconscious monkey brain perception of him as beta, and the American feminist media and other culture which teaches that politically correct things are always right and women nearly always are and virtually always are in disagreements with their boyfriends or husbands. In a different culture she wouldn’t have nearly that strong a reaction, just generally and also given his partial alpha attributes.
In a different culture he’d interpret her negative reaction differently, and not back down. That would involve willingness to walk away. In this culture that takes a lot of mental alpha attitude, swimming upstream. In another culture it would swimming with the stream.
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kim
I think we can thread through those apparently opposed perceptions by realizing that in many cases women have to fight their own natures more than men do to get into positions of power. As well they have to project to men that they are different from most women in how tough and emotionally stable they are. This with the aid of the feminist ideology that now pervades the mainstream they believe to be odeous prejudice; while in fact it’s an accurate generalization that men should and generally do adjust in the individual case.
However one can ask why women who have to fight their natures so much to attain high power in organizations feel they should do so, rather than living a more rewarding and balanced life that does involve a professional career. This view allows for the exceptional case where a driven and talented woman can easily seek high power and pay for it with huge time commitment at the cost of a female role in family life, and other things.
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While John Henry’s pursuit of his new Bride is certainly Beta…I don’t think he’s that much of a sucker.
After a little googling it turns out that he divorced Peggy Henry by serving her papers first, having her move out of their house, and that he had a pre-nup in place. He was also able to get the courts to appoint a financial guardian to look out for their 10 year old daughters financial affairs…which means he managed to avoid the Child Support trap so many other men get caught in.
Maybe he’s a Beta when it comes to wooing his new wife…but the man certainly managed to get the best of his divorce!
Beta? But no chump…(unless he doesn’t get the new Mrs. Henry to sign a prenup before the vows.)
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I think that the Red Sox dude should look for move to one of those Mormon towns that practice polgamy and have 20-30 plus kids.
How cool would it be sitting on your porch at 70 looking out at your massive brood of kids running around on your farm and being able to afford to give them all the best care, schooling and everything.
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Virgin@40
His crime is not being romantic. His crime is not falling for a girl. His crime is not even failing to keep a girl.
His utterly unforgivable crime is wasting two years pining for a woman that has gone; a woman that left without looking back. Because despite all his “it was my fault” it probably was just as much hers (as Rain And pointed out).
He wasted two years that could have been spent finding another great girl. Young men think they have all the time in the world, they don’t.
To reference Rain And again, if this was a marriage proposal it would be cool in a cheesy kind of way. The fact that it was a begging plea to a woman that dumped him months before makes it pathetic.
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Nicole
Thanks. I was not sure if I should know who RK was (i.e., mentioned here before).
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Nicole
I don’t completly buy your unicorn theory. If he was at fault it is more because he is a luckless sap. Despite his physique he has a gentle/soft look about him. Just the type to fall into self punishing, self blaming for any relationship failure. He may have had some idealised view of romance but it was probably no worse than hers.
[The above is based on taking the video to be what is says, which may or may not be the case]
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However one can ask why women who have to fight their natures so much to attain high power in organizations feel they should do so, rather than living a more rewarding and balanced life that does involve a professional career.
In some cases, some women feel pressured by friends and family to become high achievers, especially if there are no sons around to carry that role. In my family, my cousin has a degree from Columbia, and despite her marriage to an upper middle class Australian man, everybody seems to lament the fact that she has “destroyed” her career to be a supportive wife to him and be a stay at home mother. In fact, it’s been deemed to be a waste of time and money for her to go to an Ivy League school and not use that opportunity.
In contrast, my cousin* with a masters degree and lucrative researching position in Atlanta** has just turned thirty, and while people lament her lack of a boyfriend, nobody wants her to join the ranks of the stay at home mother. Hell, they freaked out when she became a teacher for two years in her attempt to “give back” to the community***. Mind you, my family is a bit status whorish.
*Said cousin and I share the same maternal grandparents. Everybody had expected me to turn out like her, but if you’re read my comments and blog posts, we all know what happened.
**Allegedly, Atlanta is a hell hole for single black women. The men are either all married, too low ranking, or on the down low, and my cousin despite her light skin doesn’t want a white man…
***Interestingly, she’s the only Republican in our family, and the teaching experience left her with quasi-race realist arguments.
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Default User–
Actually I don’t agree. I agree that it would make a lot of women happy though. It fulfills cultural expectations or rather desires for the groom being DEEPLY in love and committed and chivalrous.
However, it sets a very bad precedent. It kicks things going in a bad way.
I wouldn’t even go down on one knee.
Clasp her hands at a candlelit private dinner, maybe in a room or outdoor balcony to yourself in a classy restaurant, stare deeply into her eyes. Hold the stare, the gaze, hypnotically for a LONG time. Then ask her seriously, gravely. Then smile slightly.
And wait for her answer.
If a woman isn’t at least a little more in love you’re in trouble. You shouldn’t act dramatically differently.
Though let her have her wedding celebration. Within reasonable cost limits. Unless her dad is paying soup to nuts as is traditional in the Anglosphere, but well, isn’t always what a bride wants to confine herself too, if she thinks she can get away with it.
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Beta? But no chump…
See, you too can be a beta, but not be a push over. 🙂
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David Alexander
Any deep and honest immersion in the facts will, if one isn’t an ideologue by nature, or anyway an ideologue in the opposite direction. That’s how I came to it.
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john henry’s letter would be beta….if he were me, but he’s not. he’s a billionaire therefore he has some alpha capital to spare.
it’s hands-down that the video guy is beta.
all we need do is compare the lengths to which these guys went to get each chick
1.) video guy made a fucking video…he also employed other cameras and possibly helpers to get various vantage points
2.) video guy is seen frolicking through fields and shit
3.) he spends an inordinate amount of time making a pasture sign telling the chick he loves her
4.) he has spent 2 years pursuing this broad
5.) John Henry’s broad is better looking that video guy’s broad
6.) John Henry sent (1) cheesy letter, presumably hand-written by himself. He didn’t employ a ghost writer or pay others to help him write this cheesy letter.
7.) Henry’s letter cost him less in real and absolute dollar amounts
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doug1
If it ever comes to that, your way would be closer than the YouTube way to how I would handle it.
On the other hand the quad bike racing is very guy stuff. The message could be marry me but don’t expect me to stop being a man.
The video is cheesy, the going down on one knee is unforgivable.
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“The female commenters are hilarious:
this is so sweet, i can’t wait until i meet the guy who will care so much for me as you care for loren.
It never ceases to amaze how women can lie to themselves so effortlessly.”
This is a common public reaction to stuff like that. But the second the commenter meets a guy like that she’ll shit all over him. Or if he’s rich, she’ll string him along, marry him, and sleep with his former friends.
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I suspect the video guy is a narcissist (in love with his looks) and the chick he wants to win back is just an excuse to make a love video … to himself.
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Feministx,
Pardon, were you abused by a relative?
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More quotes::
“It’s unfortunate and a complete disgrace that you hold such sexist beliefs. I’ve had talks with men like you and you have a hard time listening. Try and do this. Put yourself in a woman’s shoes. I know it’s hard, but try it. Would you want your life to be limited to only cooking and cleaning and being treated only as sex object? Women have so much to offer this world and I have the highest respect for them. If you don’t have respect for women then you have no respect for yourself. ”
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“The Notebook was an awesome movie and I must say that I have so much more appreciation for that movie now than I did when I first watched it with Loren. I just wish some people would actually realize what that movie was truly about…..”
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“I’d suggest giving your girlfriend a few hours of foot massage every night, cooking her dinner when you can, and making sure you listen to her and communicate. Treat her like a queen like she deserves”
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I’m with Chuck on this.
Plus, it sounds like Henry is a pre-nup kind of guy.
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Will you do her for a 5 million bucks?
She is the first face transplant patient. Her name is Connie Culp
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/connie-culp-nations-first_n_197187.html
Yes, for a 5 million bucks, will you do her?
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Doug,
“However one can ask why women who have to fight their natures so much to attain high power in organizations feel they should do so, rather than living a more rewarding and balanced life that does involve a professional career. This view allows for the exceptional case where a driven and talented woman can easily seek high power and pay for it with huge time commitment at the cost of a female role in family life, and other things.”
For some women, being married and having kids isn’t as rewarding as having a high status position in whatever their career may be. Contrary to what many people on this blog think, not all women are the same…just like all men aren’t the same. I have friends who are totally set for getting married and having kids and don’t really care much about what they’ll be doing as far as work goes (if they want to actually work), but I also have friends who are more focused on their future career and would rather just get married and not have kids. What I want to do wouldn’t really require me to sacrifice one or the other so I don’t have to really choose.
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One, period. He’s also as queer as a three dollar bill. He was just passing with Loren until it got too freaky for her so she left. That is an extremely finicky video shoot by a man (and cameramen) obviously obsessed with the male physique.
Two is just doing what I’d do if I had a billion dollars: be a romantic idiot again with one hell of a pre-nup. If/When things go south in a few years, I’ll just fall in love with the next cougar who’s a few years older. Lather, rinse, repeat. Not into sex detached from an emotional bond–much as I’d like to be.
Incidentally, after Arnold Palmer’s first wife died in 1999, he married a woman who was his contemporary in age. Greg Norman, 52, left his wife for Chris Evert, 52. Neither are beta’s to my observation.
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Rain And,
Those quotes — you are killing me. Part of me thinks the guy is just doing that as a farce….perhaps to see how many chick he can pick up through it. The same way that Max Tucker started with a website, just as a stunt, to see how many women signed up for a fuck. Just to see how far it goes.
Otherwise, loren youtube guy is distilled, pure, unadulterated beta. 100% proof. He puts david alexander to shame.
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Default User:: “On the other hand the quad bike racing is very guy stuff. The message could be marry me but don’t expect me to stop being a man.”
PA:: “I suspect the video guy is a narcissist (in love with his looks) and the chick he wants to win back is just an excuse to make a love video … to himself.”
doug1:: ” Clasp her hands at a candlelit private dinner, maybe in a room or outdoor balcony to yourself in a classy restaurant, stare deeply into her eyes. Hold the stare, the gaze, hypnotically for a LONG time. Then ask her seriously, gravely. Then smile slightly.”
Doug, in my mind that way is way more boring and less masculine than a seven minute video of dirt-bikes, rock-climbing, and World’s Strongest Man events.
You can’t take girly romance out of a marriage proposal, but you can inject shameless manliness into a marriage proposal.
In the correct context that video would be like “Marry me, because I’m such a fucking stud”. Which is way cooler than marry me because you’re so beautiful.
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Rain And
You are making a devastating case for the prosecution.
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Default User
I see your point.
Actually in the proposal scenario I suggested, you’ll know you’ve done it really right if she keeps staring at you for a while, semi hynotised, stunned. Then she starts softly crying.
If she says “really? Really? Oh thank, you thank you. I’m so happy” bingo.
This is after she’s been living with you for several years and you’ve let her know the only time you’d even consider marriage is to have kids pronto after, and then only for the social face thing. The marriage should be legally arranged so that if she ever wanted to divorce you down the road she’d have no more financial incentive or reward than if she were living with you. She’d get child support either way.
You tell her you’d never divorce her except for cheating and even there you might forgive her once if she didn’t lose her heart and immediately stopped. Might but that would be up to you. Either that or she stopped having frequent good sex with you or turned hippo or into an incredible harridan so that you couldn’t get motivated to have it with her. That seems remote blah blah blah. Even then you’d try taking a mistress instead of leaving her and if she was good about that, you’d stay with her and the kids, and treat her with the loving respect she would deserve.
When she wants to know “what if you cheat” you tell her I might, but I won’t do it right away, will never neglect you including sexually, and will always work hard and effectively to be discrete. She’ll always feel your love, and strongly, so long as she’s giving hers. No one needs to know. And you might not anyway. Then you say, remember when I slept with Amy for a while a year ago and found out about it and were so upset I’d stopped loving you or loved her more. You came to realize I hadn’t and loved you far more and she was just some variety, like many men, being dogs by nature, want but only few can get their wives to let them have. You though did and will, won’t you darling?
The to her, what if you DO leave me. Tell her, then, if it isn’t one of those things I already talked about, if I left your for another woman or just because I was bored, you’d get the full freight no prenup marriage settlement. Because darling, I really won’t ever leave you, unless you really make me.
Like that.
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As suggested, Guy 1 might be a queer, in which case the alpha/beta thing doesn’t apply in the way normally understood here. Rain And says what I was getting at too:
Yes, in the correct context. But even assuming he’s straight and sincere about this Loren, he’s doing a funny/cocky thing in a way, and showing himself off as a stud. As I said earlier, he’s having fun in the video, not crying or begging.
What’s beta is that he’s pursuing a lost cause (an ex presumably) but as has surely been the case with many here, myself includes, it’s a bonehead thing we’ve all done in the past. I blame the guy with the boombox in “Say Anything.”
Again, assuming he’s straight, the only difference between him being an alpha and a beta is someone telling him that loving an ex is for losers.
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bahahahaha, that video is so pathetic I can’t believe it. The only proper ending would have been him falling off the cliff.
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DA – i’m curious, what would you rank yourself, 1-10?
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Rand And–
I take your point. (I used to rock climb and mountain climb btw, but never dirt biked.)
My only problem with it is that it’s so much work. Not the activities, the presentation of them to her. She already knows all that about you, and loves it. Even if it doesn’t take you seven months to put together like this shlump’s, it’s still a lot of work. Why do you have to prove that to her.
In general the thing to do is to give her a moment that will move her greatly — and equally important will play well when she exaggerates in the telling to her friends. However at the same time it shouldn’t smell of trying to hard, or of you’re not thinking it was a dead ringer certainty what she’d say.
Actually proposing to marry a woman whatever the prenup says when you wouldn’t be prepared to bet everything you have on her yes answer (assuming you’re a stone cold brilliant gambler) is uber beta.
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Hmm…Flint, MI. 14 kids. Du-uh! I wonder what his race is?
Roissy, you are an apologist for savage afro-apes if I’ve ever seen one. Give me a goddamned break.
Even if half the black population is Alpha doesn’t change the fact that they’re low IQ savages. Mulattotown, USA, here we come! What a future.
If people like good ol’ Roissy ran the world we’d be back to barbarism in a hop skip and jump. Yippe cai ay.
PS: I’m a bit like an ape myself, in the sense that I don’t raisew other men’s bastards. I drown them.
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kim —
I think you know that I don’t think all women are the same. I even said in the same post just what you did, that some women will want to pursue the highest position in their field, and that that should be fine, even if the culture was so feminist or feminist in the way it is, and didn’t push most women who can to maximize professional careers over all else almost without limit.
Probably the only place we really differ is how it would shake out if there stopped being media and nearly universal educational pressure for women to maximize career level and power above all else.
Wanna date? You sound delich.
Just kidding of course. Though I’m sure if I weren’t an ocean away and 102 you’d leap at the chance. 😉
Anyway you’re doing what I hope more women will do in your own way.
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PA–
Look at his eyes. I think it’s a lot more than that.
Though I do think game would help him enormously if he could persuaded to study and practice it.
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DA – i’m curious, what would you rank yourself, 1-10?
Negative -2. 🙂
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doug, kim –
have you 2 actually had a ‘typical’ female superior? by that i mean, the type that is a perfectionist and anal-retentive? loses sight of the bigger picture and obsesses over the details?
i have, much more than the opposite of that scenario (less anal/detail oriented), and as a result i do not want women to strive to be the top of their field.
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DA –
i should slap you. btw, that puts you at “2”
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Doug,
No, I wasn’t referring to you as one of the people who thinks that.
Ah 102? Unfortunately I typically draw the line around 30 and I’m not sure if 102 is within a reasonable range of that…
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Mr M.
I want it to be allowed but rare.
Without AA of various sorts the boss you describe would be unlikely to have risen as far as she did.
I want the media to mildly discourage women from trying to act like men, rather than celebrating every way they do and can, and fabricating these ridiculous martial arts super women for cartoon obsessed beta and omega boys to drool over in the movies.
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Well, fairly rare.
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Mr. M
I haven’t. But male bosses can be that way too. I know that one from experience.
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kim,
granted there are variances in people in general, but from empirical evidence it appears that more female bosses act this way than male.
and besides, its a mens forum
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Dude, did anyone even bother to look at the link Hope posted? This movie is pretty much a proven hoax. The actor is pissed that it’s gone meme.
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I don’t know where I’d find any sort of evidence to prove my point (or yours) so I’ll just let you have it. It’s more of a personal opinion thing anyways.
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Virgin–
It’s not beta to fall in love. It is beta to not move on and find another love pretty soon if she falls out of love.
It’s even beta to be more in love than she is. It’s certainly beta to fall in love first.
It follows from all this that she should have fallen out of love with him before he did with her in the first place.
You may notice this is about power exchange. No, you won’t. But some reading might/will.
However we all make mistakes. If you aren’t vulnerable and are unable to fall in love, you will feel a whole lot less, and your life will be far less rich. If women can feel that you can never fall in love they will be unlikely to remain attracted to you. Many however will deluded themselves.
These things are essentially always a blend.
The really beta thing he did was to not let go.
As Roissy pointed out REALLY well in perhaps his second post on this blog (it was definitely within his first five), to which he ended up getting almost 100 comments (! – a brand new blog), the best way to win back a girlfriend who’s already said she’s leaving you and starts to do so is to let her. Then if she starts to communicate with you supposedly about the details of stuff exchange and so on, game her hard. Play friendly but busy. Put off meeting to do this and that. Flake on a meeting date. And so on. (It’s worth going back to the very beginning and reading. The best stuff is Roissy’s response to comments asking for advice in particular cases — and then having them come back and report in. The thread remained active more than a month.)
Guy #1 has done the polar opposite.
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PA:: “the only difference between him being an alpha and a beta is someone telling him that loving an ex is for losers.”
Oh, I’m afraid he’s much farther gone than this. Check out some of those quotes I left above. Plenty of YouTubers tell him this in the comments, and he responds to every single one with some pap about “staying true to himself” or “following his heart”.
It sounds like things ended pretty ambiguously, but after two years, god damn, have the sense to assume she’s fucking another guy. If you’re really still that smitten and unsure after that much time, why not send off an email or a text message?
When you don’t know if she’s still in love, LESS IS MORE. Leaving one rose might be charming if there’s still a little spark left, but leaving 15 dozen roses on her front porch is just fucking creepy unless there’s anything less than a vaginal forest fire.
DO NOT send 15 dozen roses– or its excessive gesture equivalent– to a woman unless you know for a fact that she views you as an irreplaceable God-man. Because that’s the only scenario where it will make her feel amazing and lose no respect for you in the process.
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kim
I’m not sure exactly how it shakes out on what Mr. M talked about either.
I just want society and our Anglosphere cultures to stop trying so hard for gender sameness results. Let things develop naturally instead of trying to social engineer by laws and strong pressure.
Now that old stereotypes have been broken and it’s widely seen what’s possible, lets stop pushing a particular ideologically desired result, whether that’s the feminist desired outcome of women in at least as high positions as men (though higher is pssst better) in every area of attractive work, or the old school paleocon dream of almost all women who are able to afford to being stay at home moms without even a part time job.
Instead just let people do what feels right with no more social engineering either way, and a repeal of laws that do seek to such feminist social engineering.
Sure there will be social messages, but allow a variety of them to permeate the cultural entertainment and other mainstream.
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Virgin:
make that:
It follows from all this that she shouldn’t have fallen out of love with him before he did with her in the first place.
(Though I don’t know why I bother to post how this should have been when I do this sort of thing so often when I type quickly in a storm and don’t edit.)
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“It never ceases to amaze how women can lie to themselves so effortlessly. Are women that removed from the workings of their own desire that they can’t recognize their true natures?”
By the way, and that explains why so many women are leaving comments like this. They aren’t “lying”. It’s just that in their heads they are imagining getting a video message like this from the chiseled, handsome Fantasy Alpha in their heads, and not their needy, creepy ex-boyfriend.
Women LOVE the 15 dozen roses when it comes from the Fantasy Alpha, because it means commitment has been secured from the Dream Man with infinite options.
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Default User–
BTW, it seems to me you’ve been picking up some game.
I can see a difference. E.g. in some of your playful exchanges with e.g. Bhetti. Good for you.
It feels to me as though you’d benefit greatly by really studying and practicing game hard in real life. You seem to fully believe in it and to quite thoroughly understand it’s basics, and you’re certainly smart enough. You also have some social skills aren’t aren’t rigid, even if you have generally presented / seen yourself as something of a nerd, I gather.
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Rain And–
Exactly.
They even love it from the just alpha with lots of options.
Roses are a bad way to win or win back attraction. They are a good way to signal commitment. Be careful her guys. Most of the time what you need to do is to build or build back up her attraction, even in long term relationships. Easing her mind too much about commitment is often/usually counter productive. But not always.
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I think you guys are letting Henry off the hook too easily. This man is a BILLIONAIRE with a socially acceptable hobby/business. He OWNS the the Red Sox and a NASCAR racing team, a 30 yr old is certainly too old for him because he could be laying countless nubile college/post-college 10’s especially in a city like Boston which is teeming with just that. His courting rituals ( read the original article ) reveal his true self. Even up against that vomitous video ( whose author is probably a closet case ) his weak behavior stands out because of his greater potential ( money and social status will trump looks and muscles any day )
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Sad story about that Red Sox dude. Tall, not too wrinkled, decent amount of hair left, thin, has billions of dollars.
Jesus dude, just pick up an 18 year-old bride in some deprived country where the girls look good. Shit, with his money he could go on a barely legal shopping spree around the world.
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King Leonidas:
Henry has to be careful of a couple of things though. He probably doesn’t want a woman who is just into him for his money. he doesn’t want an Anna Nicole Smith on his hands, so he has to sacrifice something; in this case age and a couple of points on the hotness scale.
first off, he’s 59. he probably doesn’t have the stamina or T-leves to pursue hot, energetic 21 year olds.
so it’s probably a decent sign that this chick rebuked his initial advances, at least in his eyes. this shit happens all the time to the rich and famous, and rich and famous men often stick with women that like them for them instead of their fame and fortune.
plus, when we get down to it, this who seduction thing consists of a lot of different tactics to get the girl. the main judge of alpha/beta is whether or not the tactic works, and in this case, Henry’s tactics worked better than video guy’s.
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Chuck,
He will always get a girl who’s after his money, it’s such an intrinsic part of his identity, this crone might just might be a bit better at hiding it. I can understand his desire not to be tied-down to a 21yr old outwardly gold-digging floozy, but he was instantly professing his love for this woman instead of making her prove her worthiness. He instantly gave away everything of value that he possessed ( his manhood ) and his second-most important asset (his fortune) will be gone shortly as well
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Darth :
as for unfortunate woman, 5 million is way too high. I think that Fear Factor proved conclusively that the fair market value for disgusting acts is a CHANCE at 50k. For me, the price to do something that has no permanent repurcussions, only temporary discomfort or pain, is 10k.
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Jesus Christ, people, if a 60 year old geezer marrying an attractive 30 year old woman is a candidate for “Beta of the Month” in any realistic universe, then this contest just imploded into nothingness.
Roissy defines Alpha as how many hot chicks want to fuck you one minute, and then turns around and declares everyone from Barack Obama to Brad Pitt to this guy a “Beta” the next minute.
Grading on a curve is bullshit, and you’re not even grading on a curve correctly. Why don’t you go through the Forbes list of billionaires and tell me what percentage are doing better? Bill Gates? Warren Buffett?
“Helpful hint: A guy who fathers 14 kids with 13 different women is the dictionary definition of an alpha.”
Actually, your own definition of Alpha is simply how many hot women want to fuck you. Do the beluga whale-sized, snaggle-toothed ghetto orcs, who you and I both know are the mothers of these children, now count as hot women?
I think it’s time to go back and revise your Alpha definition post to the two combined traits you obviously really think define Alphahood:: caddishness and psychosexual dominance.
It will free your posts of their inconsistencies.
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If anyone wants to see a youtube example of pure, gold-plated game, just search out Willie Nelson and Sheryl Crowe doing “If I were a Carpenter.” He is grisled 70 year old legend; she is a tall, great looking blond hopelessly distracted by the love juice running down her thighs & pooling in her dancing shoes.
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Rain And–
You’re basically right.
I said as much about #2 being an alpha by any reasonable measure in my first post on this thread.
However I think Roissy’s point is that he has no game. His lack of game very much diminishes what he could otherwise get.
I’d add that he has a very feminist mindset, and surrounds himself with lefty feminists. That effects what he goes after.
If he lived in the environment of this blog he’d be more temped to go after the barely legal teens that Agnostic is telling he could get (and contra what Agnostic implies he could get them in this country). The difficulty comes with trying to live in the Boston area in his social circles with one.
Wherever he lived and in whatever social circles if I were him, or in fact if I were me (quite a bit younger than him but closer than most readers), I wouldn’t want a teenager or even an early teen for a wife. The youngest I’d want would be an unusually mature and independent minded, smart 27 yo or so. But early thirties would be just as good and probably better for him.
Here’s the thing though. She’s not nearly HOT enough. Not close. Not for him. Not for what he could get, especially with some game instead of his anti-game.
He should have a 9 or if he wants a 10. He’d definitely need game to keep a real 10 though, even with his money. He should have his pick among late twenties or very early 30’s 9’s, some of whom will have a personality he really digs and become genuinely very into him. When she adores him, that’s who he should marry, if he had some game.
So why doesn’t he, since he could get some 9’s even without game? His upbringing and the feminist world he inhabits and that inhabits his brain, the poor man.
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correction:
I wouldn’t want a teenager or even an early twenties for a wife.
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Yeah, you nailed it Hope. This guy has got to be gay, or at least trying hard. See that part where he arches his back and shoves his ass in the air?
I’m going to send this to my homo friends for an analysis. If it is serious, the woman probably left him for being on the “down-low.”
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Someone made a parody of the Loren Video called “The Ballad of Douche Quad Bike” Its hilarious :
http://giantrealm.gameriot.com/film-tv/the-ballad-of-douche-quadbike
(i quickly scanned down the commnets section to see if smeone posted it already… didn’t see anything)
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OH FUCK i just saw the above one… oh well…. hahahaa
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“Now, if I had a billion dollars, I would leverage that pile in conjunction with my game to pull a steady stream of hot stripper pussy until I’m lying cold in the grave.”
this damn near made me spit a mouthful of chewed up tortilla chips all over the screen. funny ’cause it’s true!
anybody see Chris Rock’s latest HBO Special? I think it’s called “Kill the Messenger”. in it, he talks about when it’s okay to use the word “faggot”. this retch-worthy video is exactly the type of thing he was talking about. after watching it, I get the feeling the first thing that went through Loren/Lauren/Whatsherslut’s head was probably, “Hey faggot! It’s over! Move on!”
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Is possible to take my vote back? I originally voted for the Red Sox owner but I finally forced myself to watch the video. Goddamn what a beta!
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Valenti’s very likely headed for the Heartbreak Hotel. His wife won’t probably bother to hide it either. Pathetic.
However, it happens EVEN to socially dominant men.
Take Larry David. Co-creator of Seinfeld. Writer/Producer/Star of “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” A dangerous man to make mad (because he’s funny, and has his own show).
HIS Wife, Laurie David, cheated on him constantly with the contractor building his second Mansion out in Martha’s Vineyard. The guy was banging reputedly a few other married to millionaire women in the area too. One of whom got ticked off and dropped the dime. Oh, and the guy in question, the Contractor, was MARRIED. With a couple of kids.
Alpha for women is NOT just money and status. For a woman like Laurie David, who styled herself a “Global Warming Celebrity” and jetted around the world with Sheryl Crowe to warn about “only one square of toilet paper” in the bathroom to save the Planet and poked a finger in Karl Rove’s doughy chest to let him know “who she was,” demanding an audience with the President, not even Larry David was enough.
All the money, power, wealth, fame, excitement, and limitless opportunity to retaliate (through public humiliation) weren’t enough to keep Laurie David off the Cheating Train. Heck her own “bigshot” status probably made her boarding that Express a sure thing.
This Billionaire’s g/f is a high probability to cheat on him. Same as Bill Gate’s wife. Or Trump’s, or whoever’s. MONEY IS NOT ENOUGH. Particularly once women have enough of their own or fame (which translates easily into money and power for them).
Women will cheat, endlessly, unless social mores restrict them from doing so. There’s zero possibility for that happening, certainly short term, so the “good news” is that guys like Larry David, or the Billionaire, or Mr. Valenti, are unlikely to be a feature of the future since most will simply pump-and-dump.
Younger ladies, that’s all you can look forward to. That’s the incentives built into the system. Yeah a lot of women will cheat now. But ten years from now, no guy is going to get married. It will be all short-term hookups. That’s it.
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The thing is, I can’t in good conscience vote for number 1, given the fact that his nights are likely filled with steamy manhole penetration. His video, for all I know, is a hilariously misguided attempt to mislead his family and colleagues into believing that he isn’t really queer.
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I don’t think Melinda Gates will cheat. Bill took his sweet time before getting married, and despite the looks he is an alpha by every other measure. He’s an asshole when it comes to business, but otherwise he’s a pretty decent guy (and I’m saying that despite the fact that I can’t stand his software). Bill married for the kids, as every man should. There’s really no other reason to tie the knot, and these days maybe even that is insufficient.
BTW, before he got married he sure got around. I’ve heard lots of stories, but they’re just stories, so I’ll keep them to myself.
Another thing: the really rich people around here, despite Seattle being “liberal,” are socially very conservative. And I can say from experience that that can really suck when you aren’t a part of their little society, i.e. they don’t have much time for the “hoi polloi.”
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HE PWNZ THE BOSTON R3D S0X, 4 BIOMECHANIX’ SAKE.
HE’Z USED 2 LONGSHOTS THAT HAVE VERY LITTLE CHANCE OF SUCXESS AND MOSTLY CHANCE OF HAVING THEI’YRE HOPES DASHED LOL!!
HOW APROPOS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
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roissy: Thanks for the clarification. I was confused, because the man went ‘they’re not even mine!’ and spouted the David Alexanderism tenet of ‘love me for me’. Still, he must’ve at least slept with them.
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The first guy is a psycho and not a beta,
Roissy, why so serious?? between your lines the hatred glows, you are so delusional and seriously do you believe the stuff you write?
and by hating betas/herbs and women so much you auto-reject nice sane women. But you just love your game to much. Get over your broken heart.
And betas are not bad guys at all, you just start to appreciate them when you see how royally fucked up guys can be.
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Wow Lance… that video really…
First thought: Man, I prefer the other video because 1) the girls are way hotter 2) the girls are less bitchy which is too positive 3) the video and music is just funnier.
However, the honesty of the whores on your video is striking. It really, really makes sense. Wow… Me thinking… what a slap in my face… All I’ve done the last five or seven years IS wrong.
Although I don’t want those whores I think one must bend over to please those whores (by not pleasing them to much otherwise they’ll puke in their mouths) if one wants to be successfull with any kind of girl. Is this true?
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“Guys who are overly impressed with hotness don’t care about personality anyway.”
So false honey.
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Biktopia is right when she says
“The first guy is a psycho and not a beta,”
but it’s the only thing she’s right on.
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“Why are so many rich dudes so goddawful with women?”
I can explain this, actually. A man has absolutely no hope of securing vast wealth with women in his life. I don’t care if it’s a girlfriend, prostitute or wife. If your primary drive in life is women, you will not be rich.
These guys are rich because they put women low on their priority list early in life. Thus, but the time they’re middle-age or older with billions in pocket, they have absolutely no experience with women. If they remind you of teenage boys on the dating scene, it’s because they haven’t actually been developing their skills since then.
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Virgin40
No.
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Wonka–
This is an exaggeration of one type of rich man, but only one type. Other types have quite a lot of experience with women, and certainly with very attractive women. Rarely huge numbers though, that much is true. At least not until say they’ve divorced their first wife at say 40. Then they may play big for a while.
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doug1
This is not based on anything and does not make any sense, you are just making shit up at random. Which is understandable when you’re dealing with a word that can mean anything or nothing at all.
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I said, “Guys who are overly impressed with hotness don’t care about personality anyway.”
Then Virgin said, “So false honey.”
If you were right, no man would ever marry a hot harpy.
Yet so very many do, and pass over or reject less hot women with better personalities.
It’s the sob story of every married guy who tries to get into my pants, and has been with 100% consistency, the destiny of every ex boyfriend I’ve ever had. Not a single one of them has moved onto someone who treated them with a fraction of the (apparently undeserved) respect that I did.
Not one.
So like many nice guys who’ve had to learn the hard way not to put women on a pedestal, I had to learn the hard way not to respect nice guys who put women on pedestals…because people living in a fantasy world don’t have a good hold on reality. No matter how much a woman respects him or how well she treats him or what she does for him, none of it matters because his mind is not on the planet earth. It’s in Planet Hollywood.
If you’re still searching for the unicorn, I wish you the best of luck. Some guys get lucky, but the overwhelming chances are that what you’ll get is a hot chick who pretends to love you until your balls are firmly in her hands, and then she will tear out your heart and empty your wallet because she “doesn’t feel it for you anymore”.
…or she’ll let herself go, and no longer be hot because once she’s got you, she doesn’t have to be unless she’s still looking to trade up.
Don’t bank on the exceptions.
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Whiskey —
Women will cheat, endlessly, unless social mores restrict them from doing so.
Yup. Wired to do it. So, as you say, unless restrictions are in place they *will* do it. And today not only are there no restrictions in place, but the media and popular culture celebrates female adultery incessantly as “empowering”.
Alpha for women is NOT just money and status.
Absolutely. For extra-pair sex, it’s often not a man of wealth or status — but typically a very masculine, dominant, virile type of guy. It’s her body seeking those genes for her kids — even if she isn’t planning kids, or uses contraception or what have you, the wiring of attraction is still the same.
You will never get past that. Women are wired to seek the genes of different men — and again, that wired attraction is still there even if she isn’t actually seeking kids, or is prevented from having them for whatever reason (contraception, age, etc.). The underlying attractional vectors are still the same.
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That first guy who has done some gym-time has a bad case of oneitis.
I dont know what went down between him and Lauren, but just think of all the other nice-looking young women this guy could be either fucking or courting for marriage right now instead of making a silly video. “Cathy’s Clown” anyone?
At that age, their are thousands of Laurens out there, even in West Virginia. Just think, that video was shot over multiple days in all probability, that is how much he is QUALIFIYING HIMSELF to “her”. Screw “her”. There are a bazillion “hers”. I never fucked a chick with a golden pussy, and I fucked a lot of them back in my day.
Its sad to see a YOUNG guy who throws away YOUTH like this dude is, while there are hot young things out there in the heartland tonight that would eagerly be a loyal, passionate wife to him if he is the romantic-one-woman-type. He’ll look back at this someday and think “what a fool I was” and be embarrased. Lauren no doubt already knew how he felt about her before he made the video, he is just showing it to the whole world, embarrasing himself, and believe it or not, embarrassing Lauren whose friends have no doubt called her up and made fun of her ex WITH HER. I honestly think that for the most part, this guy was trying to show off his gym work more than anything……………………..but he should be showing that off to his newer hotter girlfriend. The best way to “get over” any woman is other women. Always has been, always will be.
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dexplorer, say what you will, women and the acquisition of money do not go together. One should only tangle with women once he determines he’s done making money and wants to drain the coffers.
Men love to entertain the idea that they can get rich while indulging their desire for women. This is one of those pretty lies that roissy talks about.
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You will never get past that. Women are wired to seek the genes of different men
I agree with both Whiskey and Novaseker but at the same time I want to avert the despair that creeps in with all this talk about women’s wiring by adding this:
You can make her wiring be your enemy, or your friend.
If you marry the wrong woman and fail to act like a man in your marriage, her wiring will make your life hell.
But if you marry the right woman and act like a man (which any man can learn to do), her wiring will make your life happy and fruitful.
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Damn, what IS it with Daddy insisting that Daughter Dearest is “throwing her life away” by not swinging for the careerist fence?
I just got a call from my dad, thoughtfully reminding me not to get pregnant again and that it’s not too late to get back on the career track.
“You’d have been promoted three times by now if you hadn’t decided to have a litter of kids instead!”
You’d think the old dudes would be pleased to have grandchildren.
And no, nobody cares that the video is a tired hoax. Everyone here gets a hard-on over the worst-case scenario.
Only the apocalypse will finally “prove them right.”
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Forget the billionaire….he gets what he pays for.
The Video guy is beyond Beta. He looks like a psycho stalker with a restaining order!!!! I would be scared to be that girl.
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I just got a call from my dad, thoughtfully reminding me not to get pregnant again and that it’s not too late to get back on the career track.
Never understood that impulse. I understand that fathers want to shelter their daughters from getting pregnant with a loser.
Which explains why they want their princesses to play sports in high school (burn up all that energy and stay supervised between 2 & 5 PM), go to a nice college (and hang out with the right sort or boys), and get a nice career (which exposes them to more of the proper kinds of men)
But once she’s maried, presumably to an acceptable guy, WHY CARE ABUT HER STUPID CAREER? Fathers want grandkids from thir daughters, not careers. Right?
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Anyway, PA’s point is a good one. If you’ve stripped away the “pretty lies” and looked straight into the Soul of Woman For What it Is, (you think) then what’s there to be mad about?
Either the world’s an amoral struggle to the top, or it’s a place of divine judgment from on high; what sense does it make to apply the judgmental attitudes of that old-time religion to an “amoral” worldview?
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we are underestimating the red sox guy. Being married with him means VIP entrance to nascar races, being invited to Warren Buffet’s yearly meeting, maybe even Davos
Just like being married with Bill Gates means being received in The Buckingham Palace by the Queen of England or received inside the walls of the Kremlin by Vladimir Putin.
A guy who owns a team in Nascar won’t behave like a beta, at least among men, at all. His alphaness among males will surely atenuate his betaness toward her. And the kind of social circle she’ll get access to by being married to him will be closed to her once she divorces. Or someone thinks that Vladimir Putin will invite a cheating-cougar to the Kremlin?
My aunts were revolted when Sarkozy’s wife divorced him. They reasoned, tortuously, that you don’t divorce the President Of France, no matters what he does, as long as he is still the President Of France.
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Ay, who knows, PA. He even likes my husband. ???
It’s a status thing, I think; he hates telling his buddies that his daughter is a housewife. All their daughters are white-collar, college grad, yuppie types. It’s ridiculous.
What a narcissist. And I mean that affectionately.
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I would quantify — Women are adaptable. Generally in times of economic or other scarcity, i.e. violence rather endemic, casual, constant, women generally seem to seek monogamous relationships with “Beta Protectors” who are more faithful and less roving than the Alpha of today.
But in times of relative abundance, women seek the Alpha Male genes of physical attributes. This is probably a hold-over from the more recent and abundant Agricultural/Herder-nomadic past. The hunter-gather past, more distant and more troubled by scarcity, probably had selection for monogamy.
Men and women are very adaptable, this as muchBut in times of relative abundance, women seek the Alpha Male genes of physical attributes. This is probably a hold-over from the more recent and abundant Agricultural/Herder-nomadic past. This as tool making probably accounts for the dominance we exert over the planet.
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owm–
Even Christian theology at it’s most fundamental level doesn’t agree with this. The basic idea which I’d think you know better than I, is that man is fallen and governed by amoral struggles to slate his lusts and desires with scant regard for others, until raised unto the light of the Lord by faith (and perhaps good works), and thus become moral and much more content.
From a secular point of view there are amoral impulses, but also a desire for co-operation, reciprocity, morality and a purpose to life (aka group cohesion and common purpose). These things are typically mediated, strengthened and reinforced, by a religious ideology, or more recently by a secular quasi religous ideology or losely interlinking sets of ideologies. E.g. feminism, soft socialism, and eco activism / global warming alarmism.
Regulation of sexual morality or activity before and during marriage for the benefit of children and stable families is notably absent from these secular leftist interwoven (but pick from the smorgasbord) quasi religious fragment ideologies.
Hence shaming of illegitimate pregnancies and bastards is out the window, and children out of wedlock (bastards) are at an all time high among all races (though with large differentials) in America. Hence divorces are vastly more frequent than before feminism gained wide sway in the 1970s. And so on.
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But once she’s maried, presumably to an acceptable guy, WHY CARE ABUT HER STUPID CAREER? Fathers want grandkids from thir daughters, not careers. Right?
Two Quick Reasons:
1) In our era of small families, if you only have daughters, then some of your masculine impulses toward your son may be directed toward your daughters, especially if they show any skills or potential.
2) With all the money that parents spend on college, they want a return on their investment, and children are not that return. A career and the money that it brings is the investment as parents want to brag about that in lieu of expensive grandchildren that may require greater subsidy from the parents. Witness the view of my cousin wasting her life by raising children instead of using her Columbia degree. So yes, we are all status whores.
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PA–
Good points in that comment.
I don’t go quite so far as you in what I quoted though.
I understand the wife’s father caring about her having a career but I don’t understand him doing anything close to prioritizing it over her having kids at a young enough age (her twenties or at the latest as she turns 30) and creating a good home and family life.
To me the model of a well educated woman having a career and taking it seriously though not being uber driven at it before kids, and then having it take a back seat but not abandoned when she has kids (on hold or part time for awhile), is very attractive. For both partners.
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DA, as far as I’m concerned, PA is right. If I had a daughter I would not care about her career at all, except insofar as it allowed her to meet a good man who will father her children. Your cousin did not “waste her life” at all by raising children instead of “using her Columbia degree” – in fact, she fulfilled her life purpose.
Male or female, if the kid does not produce grandchildren, then the kid’s expensive education is totally wasted. I do not want to brag about the greatness of my childless child; I want grandchildren. Moreover, anyone who does not successfully raise children to succeed and have children of their own is a contemptible failure, period.
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Look, I understand that the, er, reasoning behind pissed-off dudes screaming into the wind that women are fundamentally wicked, evil, and worthless.
I just don’t see where it ties into this pop-evo-psych worldview wherein every action is tied to the never-ending Darwinian struggle to maximize one’s genes through improving one’s status.
Some of the gents here are all too happy to apply this idea to their own actions, and then inexplicably hostile to discover that “Girls Lie Too.”
(and the prettier they are, the more ruthless liars they tend to be, as Nicole notes! 😉 )
I realize the double standard is as old as Western Civilization, but c’mon– let’s not pretend it has anything to do with some sort of transcendent morality.
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With all the money that parents spend on college
I agree with your analysis David. My one difference in perceiving this issue is that I consider sending girls to expensive colleges as defacto finishing schools / matchmaking institutions than actual career preparation centers.
So if Ivy Princess marries an acceptable guy, even better if he is high-status, a status whore father ought to feel “mission accomplished” and not “wasted investment.”
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My one difference in perceiving this issue is that I consider sending girls to expensive colleges as defacto finishing schools / matchmaking institutions
precisely.
the greatest problem here is the age matching. In college girl meets guy with the same age, while she should be meeting guys at least 3-4 years older.
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The MRS degree!
My dad sent me into the army instead of shelling out for college on the grounds that “You’ll just get married anyway.”
Found this idea irritating at 17, but it turns out the stubborn old codger was right. ROFL.
Don’t you just hate when Dad turns out to be right?
Still, it’s mystifying that he was so disappointed that I got out, and is now trying to get me back in! doesn’t he know I can’t just leave the kids at a babysitter for a 15-month deployment??
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PA–
You’re assuming her father hasn’t seen any American movies or TV, or read any American magazines, or talked to any other American parents, over the last 40 years, I guess.
Apparently her farther isn’t from a very traditional religious sub culture. That’s a surprise to me.
omw — you’re not listening are you? Oh, you are? Well, you can fill me in on the last if you feel like it.
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Mom was always much, much more traditional, more religious than Dad. Dad’s a classic alpha, and a pain in the ass to boot. Mom’s ultra-submissive religious worldview is the only thing that held that marriage together through the 90s.
I aspire to be spiritual like her, but am afraid I’m really an asshole like him. LOL.
(he says he hopes we’ll inscribe “An Asshole You Could Respect” on his gravestone.)
Love ya, Dad!
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Off topic, but I noticed a fascinating tidbit in an article from last year about the first American face-transplant lady.
She needed the transplant because her husband shot her in the face and then tried to kill himself. He failed and went to jail.
So, in this article last year, what does she have to say about him? Well, she has moments of anger and frustration she “wouldn’t be human” if she didn’t.
But she might take him back when he gets out of jail: “I don’t regret any of that, I’ll always love him, he was my first love.”
Roissy, I would never have believed these things before finding your site. Now I expect them.
I was actually looking up old articles on her b/c when I learned that her husband had shot her in the face I assumed it was b/c she had been cheating on him. Couldn’t find any confirmation of that but learning that nothing makes a woman love you like permanently disfiguring her was confirmation enough.
Article: http://www.wtov9.com/news/15408240/detail.html
Also, if one can judge from one small head shot (no pun intended) in one article, she wasn’t bad looking before it all went down.
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She needed the transplant because her husband shot her in the face
What kind of a shotgun maims and not kills with a shot to the face? (unless it was an oblique aim)
This is serious stuff. You get an armed home invader at your house and feel like your life is threatened — and you have your shotgon.
A shotgun’s quality probably makes a crucial difference between putting a violent home invader under ground and out of your life forever, vs. spending the rest of your life in court, sued over his medical bills.
Bernie Geotz had no problems with the assailants he killed. It was the ones he maimed that haunted him in courts for years.
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To a certain extent the kids are useless because they require so much investment and there’s only so much you can say about them in terms of bragging rights. What good is bragging about grandchildren when your friends are bragging about the luxurious lifestyle that their children lead.
In my cousin’s case I suspect that if she was married to a black man everybody would demand that she work. Besides we all thought that she could be a somebody one day.
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“Pardon, were you abused by a relative?”
No, I have a wonderful family. And I’m close to my father, who is a wonderful father.
I’m glad I have a great family and extended family, because it helps me know for sure that my sexual and ideological feelings are all my own and not the result of some unusual treatment.
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Look, I understand that the, er, reasoning behind pissed-off dudes screaming into the wind that women are fundamentally wicked, evil, and worthless.
I just don’t see where it ties into this pop-evo-psych worldview wherein every action is tied to the never-ending Darwinian struggle to maximize one’s genes through improving one’s status.
Some of the gents here are all too happy to apply this idea to their own actions, and then inexplicably hostile to discover that “Girls Lie Too.
Hmmm.
What I see is that guys are adopting PUA to adapt to the current situation — it’s a coping mechanism, or a way to work the system, the way the system currently works.
Some of these guys like the current system and think it’s better than any other system. I don’t think these are the guys who are complaining about how women are behaving currently — because, again, they like the system.
Others, probably the majority, would prefer if the system were otherwise, and more like the old system, or see the current system as unsustainable – even though they choose to work the system for their own ends, given that they cannot change the system themselves. That’s where you can be a PUA for personal reasons, but still think that the system sucks.
Generally the people in the second group will be blaming women for this, because the current system is largely in place because of feminism. That is, at least *some* women engineered the current system, and so women get blamed for the downsides of the current system, even by people who are working the system for their own benefit — they’re really just trying to make the best of a flawed system.
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I love it when I forget to close off an italics.
My response should have been:
OMW —
Look, I understand that the, er, reasoning behind pissed-off dudes screaming into the wind that women are fundamentally wicked, evil, and worthless.
I just don’t see where it ties into this pop-evo-psych worldview wherein every action is tied to the never-ending Darwinian struggle to maximize one’s genes through improving one’s status.
Some of the gents here are all too happy to apply this idea to their own actions, and then inexplicably hostile to discover that “Girls Lie Too.”
Hmmm.
What I see is that guys are adopting PUA to adapt to the current situation — it’s a coping mechanism, or a way to work the system, the way the system currently works.
Some of these guys like the current system and think it’s better than any other system. I don’t think these are the guys who are complaining about how women are behaving currently — because, again, they like the system.
Others, probably the majority, would prefer if the system were otherwise, and more like the old system, or see the current system as unsustainable – even though they choose to work the system for their own ends, given that they cannot change the system themselves. That’s where you can be a PUA for personal reasons, but still think that the system sucks.
Generally the people in the second group will be blaming women for this, because the current system is largely in place because of feminism. That is, at least *some* women engineered the current system, and so women get blamed for the downsides of the current system, even by people who are working the system for their own benefit — they’re really just trying to make the best of a flawed system.
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PA–
I would think the sang froid of your aim would make a hell of a lot more difference. Even with a shotgun you have to aim some.
It’s key to remember that while you’re going to tell the court you yelled at him to “get the fuck out or you’re dead”, what you really want to do is grab the gun, aim and shoot his heart out — or head off, depending upon angle.
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Well, I think blaming women-as-a-class for feminism-as-a-political movement is somewhat misguided.
(It’s reasonable if you accept female moral agency, unreasonable if you think human females are just another kind of animal)
Women, as our resident misogynists remind us, are congenitally incapable of accomplishing anything except shoe-shopping and baby-making, neither of which are products of their actual intelligence or perseverance.
There have always been men involved, and, in the last 40 years or so, they’ve been the most dominant men in the larger society.
The age-old alliance of alpha males and the mass of women, you could say. It’s the “natural” order!
Even Sarkozy, that most alpha of the current crop of high-status politicians, isn’t sending bitches back into the kitchen and the maternity ward and telling them to leave democracy to their husbands.
Instead, guys like that are perfectly happy to sic the women on the beta pretenders to the throne, and to act as backup if things go amiss.
What gives? is my question.
You accept the overall view of the Amoral Human Animal, especially the Amoral Female, who you view as your natural property — but fail to adequately challenge the alpha male.
This, I think, is the genesis of the whole conflict between Right and Left.
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To a certain extent the kids are useless because they require so much investment and there’s only so much you can say about them in terms of bragging rights. What good is bragging about grandchildren when your friends are bragging about the luxurious lifestyle that their children lead.
Speaks someone who obviously has no kids, and seems not to know any parents whose kids are adults.
Parents with adult kids of breeding age simply do not care about the “luxurious lifestyle” of their kids except insofar as this might lead to the production of grandchildren. They care about grandchildren. In terms of status and bragging rights, “I have five grandchildren” trumps “my daughter is single but just made partner at the firm” any day of the week. If your adult children have not produced grandchildren, they might as well be gay for all the good they do you from a bragging perspective.
My mom has four grandchildren. Her sister has none, even though her adult sons are doing well enough at their IT jobs and could easily produce them. My aunt flies into a jealous, tearful rage whenever the subject of grandchildren arises, even though she has nothing to complain about with regard to her children’s “lifestyles”.
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Interestingly, some of the only Western women out there who reject feminism as a whole are the ones who are so low-status that they can’t even pretend the Alpha may care for them someday.
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Actually, you’re not going to tell the court that or add the “…or you’re dead” part, because that can quite firmly establish mens rea for voluntary manslaughter if your self-defense claim is rejected.
One of the things that cropped up on an ambulance blog was the idea of first-round bird, 2nd round buck, as if you’re still trying to scare off the perp when the shooting starts. 00 Buck or slug to center-of-mass, well-aimed, and a simple description of the mechanics of “I fired one shot.” If you have a decent defense attorney, you’ll avoid speculation during the leading cross follow-ups by the other party’s attorney.
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I mean, you have to warn the perp that you are armed and will use deadly force, but without doing it in a way that could establish intent to kill over and above intent to defend.
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You accept the overall view of the Amoral Human Animal, especially the Amoral Female, who you view as your natural property — but fail to adequately challenge the alpha male.
There is a good amount of hypocrisy here.
Whiskey, for all his faults, is the one male commenter here who consistently calls for restraints on Alphas and doesn’t just blame it all on “the bitches.”
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Even Sarkozy, that most alpha of the current crop of high-status politicians
Minor quibble — Sarkozy is a punk.
The real alpha is either Putin or Berluscione.
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omw — Raising kids is hardly unimportant. You might say it’s the most important job of all.
Nor would I argue that any particular system, monogamy or polygamy, is “natural.” Women like men are adaptable.
But clearly, some systems are better than others and having lots of men invested in upending the whole order in order to reproduce, i.e. today’s soft polygamy, does not produce a stable and peaceful society.
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What gives? is my question.
You accept the overall view of the Amoral Human Animal, especially the Amoral Female, who you view as your natural property — but fail to adequately challenge the alpha male.
Oh I don’t think people are happy with the alphas, either. It’s very true to say that feminism is basically an alliance between the alpha males and most women. I don’t think people have been letting such alphas as Bill Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards and so on off the hook, so to speak.
But more fundamentally, I think you’re misreading evo-psych.
Evo-psych does not address morality, that is true. But it doesn’t exclude it, either. In other words, evo-psych can tell us what our underlying programming is — but it doesn’t tell us that we should categorically follow that programming. It simply lets us understand what the underlying programming is, and how it came to be.
To take a non-sexual example — we do appear to be programmed to crave sweets and fats. Evo theory would tell us this is probably because our genes wired us to crave these at a time in the past where these were rare and prized sources of energy. Today they are not rare, and can be eaten to excess — yet our “wiring” still creates these cravings in us. Evolution doesn’t say “you’re programmed to crave sweets and fats, therefore you should eat them as often as you crave them”. Not at all. In other words, the fact tha tevolution has programmed people to crave things or given them urges to act in certain ways does not mean that following these cravings or urges is beneficial — and it certainly is not automatic.
So following an evo-psych perspective on sexuality, we can see where the urges come from. That does not mean a blanket endorsement to follow those urges. Evo-psych does not deny agency at all — it simply says that we are wired to get certain urges (that’s our genes talking to us). What we do with those urges — whether we indulge them or not — is the realm of agency and moralty.
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I’m not talking about Whiskey, Thursday. More the mass of commenters.
It’s odd that guys would laud an “alpha” while not seeing that this is the sort of guy who’ll fuck their future wives, then their daughters at 19, and then later convince them to both work for him!
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OMW says, “Interestingly, some of the only Western women out there who reject feminism as a whole are the ones who are so low-status that they can’t even pretend the Alpha may care for them someday.”
Hmmm…might be true in my case.
I never had socially convenient looks as far as the “proper” aesthetic appeal, but I was the discreet freak version of the girl everybody’s mom hoped they’d marry.
Feminism beyond fair access to employment and upward mobility, and other actual human rights issues, was bad for girls like me. The aesthetic standard shifted to early aging trollop, and guys without active fathers who could see past the pill, no longer felt they needed a woman they could trust.
So it’s Unicorn vs. T-Rex. Guys would rather shoot for the unicorn.
I worry for my daughter. Without killing her hopes entirely, I’m preparing her for the possibility that she might not find a dinosaur who will see her value before he’s already been used up.
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science fictioner
science fictioner
No, they don’t.
When I was young and had enough libido for 20 men, any object with a pussy turned me on. The older I get the more I am attracted exclusively to the hottest little girls.
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The older I get the more I am attracted exclusively to the hottest little girls.
Just be careful not to drop your soap in the prison showers.
Peter
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Yeah, NS, I agree with that view. Particularly about the delicious destructiveness of buttered toast with cherry preserves.
What I see here, and a few other places on the Net, is a lot of frustrated guys who take some sort of evo-psych they’ve cobbled together from Sailer, Strauss, Roissy, GNXP, etc etc, and make a moral framework out of it.
This, in spite of the fact that most of the guys who put that information together (and especially the folks who did the original research!) take a much less deterministic view of the whole thing. It’s the difference between a Saileresque, somewhat nuanced understanding of Black America, and the guys on Nighermania.
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Why be a lolita hunter when you can find young women who have that indeterminate-age look?
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z
Women are not all carbon copies of each other. Some woman, from some man’s perspective, is infinitely better than all other women, and you can’t simply replace her with someone else.
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omw:
http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/05/silvio-berlusconi-is-alpha.html
silvio berlusconi is the most alpha european leader…he called for his wife to issue a *public* apology for criticizing his recent daliances with young women. he also alluded to possible legal action against his wife’s slander.
obama would never test michelle like that.
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What I see here, and a few other places on the Net, is a lot of frustrated guys who take some sort of evo-psych they’ve cobbled together from Sailer, Strauss, Roissy, GNXP, etc etc, and make a moral framework out of it.
This, in spite of the fact that most of the guys who put that information together (and especially the folks who did the original research!) take a much less deterministic view of the whole thing.
This I agree with. Trying to form a moral system (or lack thereof) around evo-psych is insane precisely because it denies agency. But it’s true that many people are getting pseudo-evo-psych views without actually reading the books and seeing what evo-psych writers actually say — generally, as you note, not biological determinist, but rather seeing things as a mix of biological and environmental (as is evolution itself), and as a correction to the “blank slate fundamentalism” that ruled the academy until relatively recently.
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Nicole:
“Feminism beyond fair access to employment and upward mobility, and other actual human rights issues, was bad for girls like me. The aesthetic standard shifted to early aging trollop, and guys without active fathers who could see past the pill, no longer felt they needed a woman they could trust.”
ay, indeed. The corollary to “Bitches want rich bad boys” is, of course, “Dudes want ageless supermodels.”
They’ll both happily overlook a host of other characteristics to get each other! heh.
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PA–
Berluscione is uber alpha.
Still his wife is divorcing him. Even she doesn’t end up going through with it she is hurting him by doing it during his re election campaign.
She’s doing it because of all the press humiliation she’s been getting over his philandering ways. Lots of implications but no hard proof of possible current instances, from what I’ve seen. There was a link in comments here within the last week or so. I’d bet she’d live with it until the full court press. Innuendo of philandering didn’t seem to hurt him much in Italy but her divorcing him over it might. That of course is what the press was going for.
Berluscione’s bulling it out before the press by saying it’s she that should be ashamed doing this to him at this time due only to press pressure and a member of the press talking to her, is breath taking in the American or British context. Culture matters.
My overall point about all this is that it isn’t socio-biology alone that matters. Silvio is alpha enough for her to put up with his sleeping around IF she isn’t getting social humiation over it, but since she is, for this particular proud, hot and hot headed woman, his highest alphaness ceases to be enough.
Social and peer pressure matters, especially for women.
That’s the main reason it’s so hard for even alpha men to get away with having affairs in America, if they’re discovered, and a great many American women married to likely suspects are diligently on the lookout. What takes press humiliation in Italy takes whispers among the wife’s friends in America, a whole lot of the time, the feminist and before that proto feminist culture here is so militant about letting men “get away with” adultery.
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An overly-literal, materialistic, and/or deterministic worldview based on evol-psych is a preoccupation of nerds.
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That Bhetti is a flirty vixen isn’t she? A chick that can flirt in HTML code can’t be all bad.
That playful flirtyness is probably more like my real-life persona. While I never pretend to be someone that I am not, I don’t shout my nerdiness to the world in real-life. The worst people might say about me is “reserved,” and outside of the bar/club scene that is not totally game killing. In fact, with other aspects in order, the “quiet type” can still be attractive to women. Nerdiness means that I know a bit about a lot so can make conversation across a wide range of subjects. Again, outside of the bar/club scene this can work.
I tend to be explicit about the nerdy part of my character here because:
1) The relative anonymity of the Internet – we are all just Internet entities so who cares? I am posting to a blog on the Internet so whom am I kidding anyway?
2) To help similar others (who may read but not post) that they can get this part of their life fixed up (at least to some degree). In other words if I can have some success so can he. If I can get one late-teen/early-twenty man to get started now I will be happy.
While strong introversion and appearance (average looks, below average height) mean I don’t do the club scene, I do practice game. I even score some chicks whose name is not .jpg.
[TMI alert TMI alert]
I suffer from depression (now that is game killing). I have felt my mood lighten after the most recent episode; that is probably what you are seeing (a return to my more usual self).
[Internet “anonymity” is the only reason I would admit that]
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Novaseeker–
Geneticists and other human evolution theorists have most definitely spent a lot of energy considering the perplexing problem of morality, or it’s core trait, altruism. It’s indeed at first and several other blushes a paradox under Darwinian evolution.
I’m not going to get into it. You can look it up. There are a number of intriguing theories.
It’s not at all an unaddressed area.
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Default User–
Glad to know more about you.
Kudos to you.
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omw:
I was praising Whiskey for not being hypocritical like many of the other male commenters.
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Ah, I see. Yeah, Whiskey’s a good egg.
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Doug —
Geneticists and other human evolution theorists have most definitely spent a lot of energy considering the perplexing problem of morality, or it’s core trait, altruism. It’s indeed at first and several other blushes a paradox under Darwinian evolution.
I’m not going to get into it. You can look it up. There are a number of intriguing theories.
It’s not at all an unaddressed area.
Yes, yes I know that — I am familiar with the stuff that’s been written by Wright, Hauser and many others.
My main point was that evo-psych does not imply a lack of agency.
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Novaseeker–
That really isn’t how it came about. Feminism was developed by women, with little male help.
Women did get elite political support but not in a way substantially different from blacks getting support for civil rights activities — though in that case there was far more white participation in the formation of early civil rights policy, priorities and strategy than there was in the case of feminism. E.g. consider the early NAACP.
In any event there was little character of studlier or gamier alphas working with feminists to get feminism going. It was simply liberal / leftist political leaders who quickly acceded to their pre formed demands, with supporting pressure from a whole lot of young men as well, depending upon their political orientation rather than their proximity to higher alphadom, which didn’t enter into it whatsoever. If anything, higher alphas sex wise were probably more disinterested.
As far as the lure to men of feminist support of the sexual revolution goes, that was pitched to every man, or at least to every liberal man. It even tended to work out that way in the late 60’s and 70’s, far more than it does today. No the lower half in attractiveness didn’t do too well and the highest 10% did way better, but the top 50% or so (if liberal) sure seemed to do at least ok at casual sex in the 70s. Nothing like what seems to be the case for late teens and twenties today who are at e.g. the 60th percentile from the bottom.
So no, you can’t blame feminism on alpha males (with respect to their attractiveness to women). Not at all.
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Doug —
Feminism had a ton of male help. Almost all of the feminist legislation has been passed by legislatures which are predominantly men (and most of them alphas). Without a huge amount of male help, feminism would have gotten precisely nowhere. We can say they were alphas, betas, liberals, what have you, but they were men.
As of today, the preservation of the feminist environment is largely done collaboratively between feminist women and powerful men — in politics, media, the academy.
In sexual terms, the sexual revolution, even if it started in a more egalitarian way, has since calcified into a coalition between alphas and most women.
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Novaseeking:
To take a non-sexual example — we do appear to be programmed to crave sweets and fats. Evo theory would tell us this is probably because our genes wired us to crave these at a time in the past where these were rare and prized sources of energy. Today they are not rare, and can be eaten to excess — yet our “wiring” still creates these cravings in us. Evolution doesn’t say “you’re programmed to crave sweets and fats, therefore you should eat them as often as you crave them”. Not at all. In other words, the fact tha tevolution has programmed people to crave things or given them urges to act in certain ways does not mean that following these cravings or urges is beneficial — and it certainly is not automatic.
Your clearly elucidated explanation is falling on deaf ears, Nova.
OMW is not arguing in good faith. She’s putting on the dumfounded-blinking-gosh-good-golly act.
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A Short History of Feminism:
Feminism begat as a frustrated lesbians’ movement, though in the late 19 / early 20th centuries they may not have thought of themselves as Sapphists.
Many were married and hence the “comfortable concentraction camp” metaphors of mentally ill women like Betty Friedan.
Then, Feminism became embraced by ugly straight women who had no shot at marriage to satisfactory men, and high-T straight women who were not satisified with home life and felt excluded from participating in career and public life by law and custom. Again, these women were very unrepresentative of women in general.
Early on, men helped Feminism along to the extent that Marxists at fringes of society saw it as a kin movement.
But men did not wholesale embrace feminism until corporate elites discovered that decoupling women from their husbands and bringing them en-masse into the workplace lowers overall wages. Good for business.
PUAs and other such alphas didn’t jump onto the Feminist bandwagon until the late 1980s explosion of political correctness, when they discovered that mouthing the right slogans gets you laid and that feminist girls are easy.
By the way it’s a toss-up as to whether it’s beta males or traditional women who get Feminism’s biggest scorn. See their venom re. Sarah Palin. It’s primal, pure hate.
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PA —
Although it gets murky. Palin is not really a traditional woman. She’s a blend of traditionalism and feminism. Certainly without feminism someone like Sarah Palin would have been impossible.
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She’s a blend of traditionalism and feminism.
I agree. But I have the symbolism behind Palin’s persona in mind.
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PA,
I would say that it’s probably “traditional women” who get the biggest scorn. It’s not really fair of Feminists to do that, but I guess that traditional women are unintentionally working against Feminism in a more powerful way because it gives opponents of Feminism someone to point and go “See, these women are fine with how their lives are, why can’t you be?”
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I agree. But I have the symbolism behind Palin’s persona in mind.
I agree. It was fascinating to watch it play out. Here was a rather feminist woman who had advanced to the governorship of her state, yet she was excoriated by feminists because her views did not agree with the rest of feminism’s agenda. That was precisely why she was loathed by the feminist movement — she was an “empowered” woman who disagreed with most of the feminist platform beyond baseline equal access to jobs and education. And that stung.
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That beta-video made me sad…..
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Kim —
I would say that it’s probably “traditional women” who get the biggest scorn. It’s not really fair of Feminists to do that, but I guess that traditional women are unintentionally working against Feminism in a more powerful way because it gives opponents of Feminism someone to point and go “See, these women are fine with how their lives are, why can’t you be?”
It’s true — I think they are viewed as a treacherous “fifth column”.
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Novaseeker–
Gotta disagree. (I’m not down on you Nova; you raise interesting ideas.)
It’s put out there by feminists and allied Hollywood etc. leftists that women weren’t moving into the higher places in the workplace before feminism arose in the 60’s and 70’s. That simply isn’t true. There were female partners in BigLaw firms in the fifties. Not a lot of them but a few. Generally they were childless. There were female doctors in the 40’s and 50’s and probably before. More of those I think. Same deal. Female professors. And so on. There was some discrimination against women but it wasn’t insurmountable. Women had to convince employers that they wouldn’t quite to have kids — though that didn’t necessarily mean not having them, it would mean affording a nanny.
Mainly the culture was discouraging women from entering demanding full time careers if they didn’t have to or anyway stay in them once married. Accordingly that affected what they trained for and entered. Yes in some high places there was something like a bar to women, but hardly all. It was changing under general liberal progressivism, before leftist feminism became a widely believed or at first at least partly subscribed to credo among college grad women and many men.
I think there was a governor or several of Western states going WAY back. Certainly there were women in state legislatures.
Palin could definitely have become governor by the time she did by now under the momentum that was underway since the 40’s and earlier (e.g. the 20’s). Marxist feminism wasn’t required.
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Nova–
The difference is that the old style liberal reform and opening up of increasingly many areas of work to women wasn’t fundamentally a SOCIAL ENGINEERING attempt to remake women (and then later men) in an equalist=sameness social construct through various methods such as affirmative action for women. It was instead a willingness to allow women so inclined to do increasingly many things when social disaster or a horrifically accelerating moral decline or the destruction of the family didn’t occur.
With the advent of Marxist feminism those later concerns were ridiculed and swept out of consideration consideration. There’s still mob up work being done. They’re called misogynist by mainstream feminists and their mainstream media echo chamber now if and when raised, you can count on it.
The only considerations that mattered once Marxist feminism started to take hold in the 1970’s with really solid cementing in the 1980’s were the cultural Marxist one’s in general and those of feminism in particular. Centrally, equality of gender result in education and the workplace (with psst women doing better anywhere always good and never to be redressed), while preserving and even extending most special female privilege. E.g. in racheted up against men divorce and child custody law, child support and collection for unwed sluts, the new sexual harassment law, domestic violence law, and so on.
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If prettyboy put BACK all those rocks into the fields 23 generations of his ancestors painstakingly removed…
He should be denied Sorghum forever.
Loren must’ve been One Hell of a Fuck.
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OMW says, “ay, indeed. The corollary to “Bitches want rich bad boys” is, of course, “Dudes want ageless supermodels.”
They’ll both happily overlook a host of other characteristics to get each other! heh.”
Ah, if only it were true that herd males all wanted ageless supermodels.
Alas, you can look like you’re 30 at 15, and be lauded as hot.
It’s a rare man in the west who finds plastic surgery scars a non negotiable turn-off. They’d rather have the hip to hip smile than a little bellyfat…sensationless nipples with stitches all around than boobs that hang naturally.
I may seem to be complaining, but it’s with a kind of wistfulness. These are just reasons I am glad to be odd, even with the price of romantic solitude. If I was dependent on people like that for my sense of self worth, I would be a sad girl indeed…probably have suicided by 16.
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Then, Feminism became embraced by ugly straight women who had no shot at marriage to satisfactory men
I don’t know how representative she was, but Mary Richardson was an ugly First Wave feminist, most famous for stabbing Velazquez’s Rokeby Venus in 1914. She couldn’t handle that men preferred a slim babe over her homely carcass.
(It probably didn’t help that this Venus is unlike all of those corpulent ones by Rubens, which nourish fat feminists with so much wishful thinking.)
http://jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Velazquez/Velazquez_Venus_at_her_Mirror.htm
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A picture of the mannish Mary Richardson:
http://www.hastingspress.co.uk/history/mary.htm
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I thought the Red Sox guy was more beta than the hick Betaboy.
The Red Sox owner has so much money that he could be fucking all kinds of different women. At the very least he should NOT have married this woman.
Hick Betaboy is just a lonely loser who is probably going through a dry streak (no surprise I guess) and got sentimental on some memories of his ex-girl (no surprise).
Both of these guys are so beta I almost got sick. If a man’s man like me can be so sickened by betas, imagine how women really feel about them!!!!!
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Agnostic,
They “force fed” Mary Richardson. Why on earth would they have done this while she was on a hunger strike eludes me. There she was, giving herself the death penalty for free and some bleeding heart shmuck screws it up for everybody. ………..
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Contrarian wrote:
“Women are not all carbon copies of each other. Some woman, from some man’s perspective, is infinitely better than all other women, and you can’t simply replace her with someone else.”
INFINITELY BETTER THAN ALL OTHER WOMEN?
Infinitely better than this one?http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Silvia_Saint_DSC_1423.JPG&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Silvia_Saint_DSC_1423.JPG&usg=__32eXJBwHkjJSM61SuKhP2YaP_M8=&h=628&w=356&sz=30&hl=en&start=48&um=1&tbnid=J0KgpMa3bD4sbM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsilvia%2Bsaint%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D36%26um%3D1
Infinitely?
You need to get out more, there are many many women who are not only 7 and above, but 8 and above and would give that guy a fresh start. He’d forget about “Lauren” in no time, and LAUGH AT HIMSELF for ever being all silly over her. Its not like he and Lauren raised three kids together and spent 20 years with each other……………..then I’d understand.
Video-4-wheeler-guy is simply going through pheremonal-withdrawl in all probabiltiy. Just passionately kissing one pretty girl one afternoon for a few minutes would probably cure him right up. A shot of poon tang or two later and he’ll ask himself questions like, “why did I waste a week shooting that stupid-ass video displayed to the whole WORLD on YouTube for a generic chick like Lauren?”
In a way what Video-4-wheeler guy did was very catty and passive aggressive and feminine……………..displaying a heart-tugging video FOR THE WHOLE WORLD, hoping that Lauren’s little cock-gobblingette friends would say………….”awwwwwww he is so in wwuuuuuuuuubbbbbb wit u lauuuuuwwwrreeeeennnnnnn, take him back”. Ick. He’d have had more success in getting in Lauren’s good graces if he had GAMED AND FUCKED LAUREN’S MAIN RIVAL FROM BACK HOME GOOD AND HEART AND SENT LAUREN THE VIDEO TAPE.
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If Mary Richardson was ugly or fat to you, then it kind of drives my point home about how wimpy guys are today, and how this level of feminization has made you think that boys with boobs are prettier than women.
She was about as “mannish” as Madonna in pinstripes, and far more pleasing to the eye than most of today’s starlets without makeup.
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Z, he meant better than other women in a way that couldn’t be destroyed with a shotgun or straight razor.
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Nicole you dont honestly believe Lauren is the only 7 out there with a “heart of gold” or anything do you?
She might have been a genuinely nice girl that 4wheeler cheated on and lost. He could have PRIVATELY told her that he made a mistake and would like to try and be a couple again. However he “lost” her, making an ass out of himself and showing the whole world how heartbroken he is is a catty attempt to frame her as the “bad guy” if she doesn’t get back with him. How could she say no when he has humiliated himself and all that garbage. Its underhanded on HIS part. She already undboubtably KNEW how he felt anyway, and hadn’t been willing to reconcile yet. That video he made and put up for the whole world WITH FOOTAGE OF HER IN IT, puts unfair pressure and noteriety upon her. She didn’t ask to be made into a Youtube celebrety whose visage thousands will undboutbly see and know “that girl broke that 4-wheeler guy’s heart”.
There are still plenty of good gals out there, and 4wheeler guy could certainly have one of them. He needs to get over it and start looking for a new woman in his life. Obsessing over an ex will scare off new women. Nobody wants a potential psycho, and that vid makes him look borderline psycho beyond the obvious narcissim (I mean he could have hit a couple of poses shirtless and paired down the video for time, right? the whole thing was to show off his bod and put pressure on her).
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lol, like we really believe the beauty judgments of a bitter and ugly Generation X shamu.
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Looking through some other forums, the consensus seems to be that the Beta video is a complete fake, and that the guy made everything up as a form of viral marketing to try and get casted in the Captain America film slated for 2011.
This is judging by the fact that every forum on the Internet was spammed with this video with some version of OMG LOOK THIS GUY WOULD BE AWESOME FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA.
This seems more likely than his incoherent story, that he had a perfect relationship with some girl and then she just “disappeared” one day, without breaking up, and apparently without any sort of email or mutual friend to explain what happened.
Unless your name is Jason Bourne nobody in the modern world “disappears”. If your girlfriend “disappears,” you send her a Facebook, and if she ignores you, that’s how she broke up with you.
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Here is a Dear Abby letter, which I am nominating for the May beta:
Last night, I was trying to add up our bills on the computer. She walked in and smacked me in the chin with the keyboard. She said I should be able to do the bills on paper like a normal person.
We have been together nine years, married for three. I love her with all my heart, but I’m getting tired of her little “jokes.” How can I approach her? I want her to know how I feel, but I’m afraid to offend her or make her angry.
http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/?uc_full_date=20090506
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kim – PA, I would say that it’s probably “traditional women” who get the biggest scorn.
Yes, if by “traditional women” you mean White women who marry White men and make White babies.
THAT’S the group the feminists viscerally hate and scorn the most.
Feminism was never only about gender. It always had overtones of being anti White men and White families and the reproduction of White people.
That’s why every feminist labels everything she doesn’t like racist and homophobic as well as sexist and patriarchal.
That’s why they are obsessed with promoting abortion, promoting gay shit, and promoting miscegenation and mixed race adoption.
There’s no mystery to their motives or agenda. It was never simply about “women’s rights”.
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Again, outside of the bar/club scene this can work.
Out of curiosity, if you don’t do bars and clubs, where do you meet women?
seems not to know any parents whose kids are adults
Given that the youngest of my generation is currently twenty years old, I can point to my aunts and uncles as the parents of a bunch of adult children. I’d argue that my aunt would trade in her granddaughter if it could buy her daughter a college degree and high paying career, and I suspect my mother’s depression stems from that fact that I don’t have a high paying career while some of my peers do.
Children are useless, especially if you’re black. Money has much more material value, and is less likely to depress you especially if your kids have a decent chance of going to jail or becoming single mothers.
Others, probably the majority, would prefer if the system were otherwise, and more like the old system, or see the current system as unsustainable
As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, the problem that I have is that the old system isn’t sustainable once you learn that women are not attracted to beta males. Under the old system, a man presumed a woman would love him, and based on that, he was will to sacrifice himself for his family. In contrast, once you learn that women are not attracted to beta males, you tend to view any female who shows interest in you as a liar, and it makes one unwilling to bother with women. Why should you sacrifice yourself on that level for somebody who doesn’t love you and doesn’t find you attractive?
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why is faggot #1 dying of thirst in the midst of cornfields?
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“In contrast, once you learn that women are not attracted to beta males, ”
DA, contrary to what this blog says, it is not the case that no woman is attracted to beta males.
The largest percentage of women are attracted to sexually dominant alpha males. This might be 60% of women or 80% of women, but it is not all women. As many as 5% are lesbians, perhaps another 5-10% are asexual and unable to understand what sexual pleasure is about and then there are other kinds of sexual deviants.
It seems that “women are attracted to alpha males” because there are many times the number of women attracted to this as there are women attracted to any one other category of people.
Sexuality is like IQ- big variance.
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This might be 60% of women or 80% of women, but it is not all women. As many as 5% are lesbians, perhaps another 5-10% are asexual and unable to understand what sexual pleasure is about and then there are other kinds of sexual deviants.
If we take the higher end of your statement, that leaves only 5% of women interested in betas, and those women tend to be ugly and/or unsexual. So who wants to be with the weirdos who think I’m attractive?
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Cult of masculinity is very important for Fascista. Fascism is far more healthy ideology from standpoint of healthy gender relation; it put women in place and restore confidence to strong male ego. Modern society demonstrated to be manifestly castrating for women enamoured of manlike influence and men enamoured of touchy-feely queerness. Everything fucked because women render themselves unattractive in such situation and men beyond ridiculous for same. This is all very likely result of judaic influence in western world since end of Great War. Endgame scenario for modern world is descent to barbarism as Der Fuehrer said precisely because bringing judaeo-capitalist mentality into sexuality is ultimate corruption and perversion of sociobiology.
Regarding videos:
Fascista say that billionaire CEO is bigger beta for he sentimental dipshit who have money but still look a tomfool tripping over words in maudlin gushy poems. She think, “what a fool I just want half his fortune.” Truly the first was pathetic but also is joe-sixpack type who does not qualify for same stature in society and so his betastic beshitted bungling seem more acceptable if such is possible.
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David Alexander
I am not sure why you would be interested or are you actually thinking of trying real-world “dating?”
First off I don’t totally avoid bars, I just don’t expect great results given the things I mentioned. I have met women in bars, but is not my best habitat. Obviously this means fewer opportunities, but that I am willing to put up with that.
I have met woman in classes, at social events, etc. Because my work means I move from location to location, I can meet women through work with less chance of complication (we will not work in the same place for very long). I have practiced what some would call “day game” – cold approach in the street or supermarket, etc.
So from the point of view of an alpha/player I am very boring, but I don’t go dateless. Roissy might call me a herb, but I think I am better than that (but I would think that wouldn’t I?).
It is true that women prefer the most studly/alpha guy in the same way we prefer the hottest babe, but in real life it is not quite so stark.
As others will point out nightclubs are probably the best place to build your game and your success. However, I am at an age where you need very good looks or very good game not to look like a total loser for clubbing and I have neither (about OK in both).
I know it will sound hypocritical, but I feel younger guys should try the club scene. At the worst you will look like every other clueless 20-something, at the best you will build real skill and confidence. Even if you are very introverted you have some chance of building tolerance to the loud and active atmosphere, if it doesn’t work out just forget it and try something else.
I don’t know where chicks with breasts and nails hangout, but I am sure you can figure that out. Are there any female road/train-geekers?
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OMG….so freaking pathetic….
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Out of curiosity, if you don’t do bars and clubs, where do you meet women?
If I were single, I’d be doing Day Game like mad. It’s just so… obvious.
The concept never crossed my mind back in the day. Just assumed that girls don’t wanna be bothered. So I usually hooked up at parties, friends-of-friends, with girl classmates, at work, etc.
Clubs were never my thing. I tried it a couple of times, but I always found the bitch shields were usually (I didn’t say “always”) too much of an obstacle.
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I’d argue that my aunt would trade in her granddaughter if it could buy her daughter a college degree and high paying career, and I suspect my mother’s depression stems from that fact that I don’t have a high paying career while some of my peers do.
You’re missing the point. The reason your aunt wants her daughter to have a degree and a career is so she can better provide for grandchildren. The reason your mom is depressed that you don’t have a “career” (if indeed this is the reason for her depression) is because this makes you less likely to find an attractive mate and provide her with grandchildren. The education and the money is just a means to an end (providing for children).
Children are useless, especially if you’re black. Money has much more material value, and is less likely to depress you especially if your kids have a decent chance of going to jail or becoming single mothers.
What is money for? Beyond a certain level of subsistence, the only purpose in striving for an education and career success is in order to provide for children. If you don’t want children, you don’t need an education or a career. You can achieve a basic level of subsistence without any kind of education at all.
If you do not have children and raise them to succeed and themselves reproduce, then you have failed, not merely at the genetic level but as a human being. It is not children that are useless – it is you who are useless if you fail to have and raise children successfully.
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I am not sure why you would be interested or are you actually thinking of trying real-world “dating?”
No, I’m just looking for new excuses to tell friends and family as to why I don’t have a girlfriend. Otherwise, I’m rather curious to the alternatives to the bar/club scene since that stuff is for the “pretty” people or the blockheaded guido types.
I don’t know where chicks with breasts and nails hangout, but I am sure you can figure that out. Are there any female road/train-geekers?
Nails and tits tends to imply club and bar-hopping in suburban LI bars and clubs filled with guidos and few ghetto black guys who run nigger game. I think I can count the number of female railfans and roadgeeks on one hand, and those that are sexually attractive with one finger.
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Dave Alex,
Please define what you mean when you say “nigger game”?
Thanks.
O
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David Alexander
Nails and tits girls also go shopping, attend classes, and probably work. In other words you might be able to catch them in the wild.
If they lack the nails and tits you require just chatting women can be fun because it is a different vibe than just chatting to a man. Checkout or ticket counter girls require no approach, just some idle chatter as you pay for your stuff/tickets. It can make your (and their) day much more fun.
Example:
I was at the store and needed help locating an item. The woman helping me was older but not unattractive. Some very light conversation, a smile, held her gaze a little longer than normal. The effect was like magic; she brightened considerably, offered a big smile and positively bounced away afterwards. Indeed, I bounced away too because it is really nice to have that effect on someone.
Now the chicks are all going to laugh at my male vanity and the guys at my sappiness but that kind of stuff is fun. You can have social fun without hitting on nails-and-tits-girls and without super-special-secret game.
Use that one finger with care and she is yours for life.
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Good points, D. Well said.
O
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Obsidian
But will he listen?
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But will he listen?
You know I won’t. 🙂
Please define what you mean when you say “nigger game”?
That quote was probably poorly defined when I churned it out this morning, but I’m referring to black men with ghetto manners and clothing who tend to aspire to the gangster life. There was a small group of them during the day sessions at my community college who would try and hit some of the white girls. Non-date has noted a few of them at one or two clubs that she’s gone to as well.
Nails and tits girls also go shopping, attend classes, and probably work. In other words you might be able to catch them in the wild.
Of course, it’s obvious that these women are out in public in various locations and there are a few girls at work who do sport nails. I must admit the main reason that I miss my community college is the fact that it was filled with beautiful looking women with something resembling sex appeal and nails. The heels may have been lacking since everybody sported Uggs and Juicy Couture sweats, but nails can make everything tolerable…
The sad thing about nails is that the weakened state of the economy has pushed some women out of it, and some women can’t wear them for health or professional reasons. Plus, it seems to be something that even here on LI is limited to the prole women who tend need guys with good game. Outside of NYC Metro, it seems to be non-existant. My engineering school was devoid of nails, and at the public college I attended for a year, the best I could do was some girl with natural nails…
just some idle chatter as you pay for your stuff/tickets. It can make your (and their) day much more fun.
I guess you’re lucky. When I try that, I usually get a dirty look which implies that I’m bothering her, especially with younger women. Older women don’t seem to mind the conversation.
Use that one finger with care and she is yours for life.
That was a reference to the concept that ultra nerdy habits like roadgeeking and railfanning have no sexually attractive women and few women in general. You can meet women while engaging in these hobbies, but rarely in it.
What is money for?
To buy comfort, luxury, and authority. In other words, money isn’t merely just some tool to raise children, but to make life enjoyable.
it is you who are useless if you fail to have and raise children successfully.
I’d argue that a childless billionaire who creates wealth and jobs is more useful than a mere breeder. The billionaire is more likely to leave a lasting legacy than anybody who simply has children.
if indeed this is the reason for her depression
One child is an ex-con with two children with two different mothers and low prospects for employment, another is a social misfit with no hope of ever having friends or romance and possibly no career, and the last is barely passing the classes for his major. Understandably when she sees other people with successful children, she feels depressed.
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To buy comfort, luxury, and authority. In other words, money isn’t merely just some tool to raise children, but to make life enjoyable.
The amount of money you need to be “comfortable” by yourself is far, far less than the amount you need to raise a family.
I’d argue that a childless billionaire who creates wealth and jobs is more useful than a mere breeder. The billionaire is more likely to leave a lasting legacy than anybody who simply has children.
The billionaire who refuses to reproduce is even more of a loser than the middle class schmo who refuses to reproduce. The billionaire simply has no excuse whatsoever for his failure!
another is a social misfit with no hope of ever having friends or romance and possibly no career
If that’s you, pull yourself together, mister! Your attitude is definitely holding you back from success on all fronts. If it’s not all an act for the benefit of the forum, I would seriously recommend therapy.
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The amount of money you need to be “comfortable” by yourself is far, far less than the amount you need to raise a family.
You could argue that it’s never really enough when you’re alone since more money provides more option for financial freedom. It’s the difference between flying coach, flying first class, and having your own private jet.
The billionaire who refuses to reproduce is even more of a loser than the middle class schmo who refuses to reproduce.
He’s a billionaire. Given the work that it takes to achieve that level of wealth versus what it takes to have children, I’d argue that the billionaire cannot be a loser.
Your attitude is definitely holding you back from success on all fronts.
I’m 25, the dreams of grandeur have left the harbour, and the world of easy living is actually narrowing down. I think this is the point where I can honestly say that I’ve squandered the past 7 years, and knowing what I know now about the future, I wished I had done the school portion with the same zeal and effort that I displayed in high school.
If it’s not all an act for the benefit of the forum, I would seriously recommend therapy.
$$$
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David,
Good grief, man, all is not lost at age 25! You are still a youngster, the future lies before you, and few opportunities are closed off at this point.
There is no point in lamenting what you think you did wrong in the last 7 years. Instead focus on what you intend to do right in the next 7 years. If school is what you think you need, go do it. Don’t feel like it’s “too late”, since plenty of people don’t even finish their bachelor’s degrees until late 20s / early 30s. If you have a bachelor’s already, go to grad school. The economy is in the toilet, so you might as well be in school. =)
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I guess you’re lucky. When I try that, I usually get a dirty look which implies that I’m bothering her, especially with younger women. Older women don’t seem to mind the conversation.
It is probably true that younger hotter women may have more bitch shield but I have found it to be a mixed bag. Sometimes I get a friendly response, sometimes I get the “shut the fuck up and pay” look regardless of age or hotness.
An even simpler game is breaking conventions:
Checkout: “did you find everything you needed?”
You: “I hope so” or “I better have or I am in trouble” etc.
Checkout: “Cash or credit?”
You: “Decisions, decisions”
Is it a bit stupid? Yes, but it changes an interaction that is normally mechanical into something a tiny bit different. Again, no super-secret-game, no real conversation, just turning dull interactions into something mildly social.
Even simpler is to just hold eye contact for a split second longer than normal. No extra conversation, just hold eye contact for a tiny bit longer than your normal reflex would. It can be interesting to see how something so subtle can have an effect.
Very simple therapy:
Write down all the things you think are holding you back. Don’t think to hard just start writing and keep writing.
Pick the thing you think is most important and imagine that was fixed, what would be next.
Work down your list until you reach the end.
The things at the end, not the beginning, are probably where you need to focus.
If after “fixing” all the stuff on your list you cannot really imagine yourself achieving what you want then your list is not complete. The mind is very good at hiding its real faults.
I am fairly certain that the things that are holding you back are not: low IQ (you certainly are not low IQ), being black, being geeky etc.
More unsolicited advice:
Have you considered some kind of trade? Not everyone is suited to college. I am fairly smart, but hated school and dropped out of college. The day I quit was a day of overwhelming relief. I have done OK financially and have ended up doing the same kinds of jobs that I would have anyway. Getting the first job is the hardest but after that you trade more on your ability/history than any bit of paper.
I know “tradesman” hurts your status seeking side, but remember a mediocre engineer/programmer/accountant is still mediocre. They will likely earn less than an excellent tradesman. Being a low-level, mediocre white color grunt has less status than been a skilled tradesman. The pride of knowing you did a superb job beats the soul-sucking knowledge that you are a barely average cube-dweller.
Given your interest in railfanning, is there a related trade? Should you be thinking of trade school?
If it seems like I and others are always on your case, it is only because we hate to see a good man go to waste. When all our silly bickering is over there is a lot of good will here. If you need help or advice you will probably find tons of that here.
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First para at May 8, 2009 at 8:34 am above should be blockquoted.
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The sad thing about nails is that the weakened state of the economy has pushed some women out of it, and some women can’t wear them for health or professional reasons. Plus, it seems to be something that even here on LI is limited to the prole women who tend need guys with good game. Outside of NYC Metro, it seems to be non-existant. My engineering school was devoid of nails, and at the public college I attended for a year, the best I could do was some girl with natural nails…
Have you ever thought of getting a job at a nail salon?
Or would your fetish get a little too obvious there..?
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David Alexander
This might make you happy, it is the Celebration Of National Train Day.
Don’t party too hard.
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What’s with everyone giving David Alexander all these motivational speeches? I understand the universal male coach-instinct. but come on, you’ve been here a while now.
I like David, but I’m not about to waste a couple paragraphs pretending to be an occupational therapist if my advice is neither desired not likely to be followed.
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Z says, “Nicole you dont honestly believe Lauren is the only 7 out there with a “heart of gold” or anything do you?”
If she has a heart of gold, then she is a rare woman anywhere on the attractiveness scale.
…but as Roissy once said, I too believe that it is difficult to be virtuous when one has a shot at vice. The closer one conforms to whatever the media ideal is, or even the actual ideal, the more difficult it is for her to keep a heart of gold if she doesn’t have nerves of steel, which most women don’t.
More men do than women because they’re socialized to, but likely the same proportion of men have a sense of honor that goes beyond societal expectations or demands.
The video was a farce, but the situation is similar to many cases, even some in my own life. None of my exes has ever gotten another one like me. We are not as interchangeable as the teeming masses. If you think we are, then you are as deluded as a future cougar who thinks the male members of the herd will give her the time of day for more than begrudging casual sex past the age of 30.
Your good fortune as a male is that most women don’t care how you look or how old you are if you have money…and the ones who do have a heart of gold, despite our better judgement, will forgive a past of having been married to a harpy or slutmongering, so long as you’ve grown up by the time we meet you.
So Loren might not be the only one (if she exists) but she may well be one of only few.
Again, banking on the exceptions is a bad idea. The day you do meet a woman who is uniquely loving, giving, and honorable, who you’re attracted to, you’re a fool if you let her go for hypothetical women you *might* meet in the future.
A bird in the hand…
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PA
Partly, as I said, because we hate to see a good man go to waste.
For me, and perhaps others, we see our younger self. The younger self we would give a good ass kicking to.
Partly (mostly?) stupid-ass optimism. I am sure I would not listen to my older self explain how to sort out my fucked up younger life. However, I would never forgive my older self for not trying.
You are correct. I reckon David will have to hit rock bottom before he even considers any change.
Hitting rock bottom does not guarantee that you will start your climb back. It does not even guarantee that you can’t fall further. It is just the point where you make your decision.
It seems such a waste to wait that long and endure that pain. But, human nature is human nature. It seems we can only learn from our own mistakes.
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That was a good answer DU. I agree about the part where you say we see our younger selves in David Alexander’s attitude and station in life.
But having gone through some of what he’s going thru now (his attitude about life, not sex) I understand that no goading and cheering is gonna have any effect on him. The smoker ain’t gonna quit until he’s good and ready.
But the other thing I see from my vantage point is that David is not “falling behind” or otherwise losing in life. He’s a late bloomer with introspective, depressive qualities. A bit like me in my mid-20s.
And while I dealt with those by creating a “brooding rock star” persona, he’s created the “DA” persona. One way or another, he’ll move on. When he’s ready.
And to give a bit of a perspective on the “good man going to waste” thing — he’s not going to waste. At his age I too thought I was “going to waste.” Well, that wasn’t my own attitude, but that of some of my well-meaning cheerleaders in real life.
At his age, I had just gotten out of the Army, had some community college credits, but nothing else. Most of my friends had already finished their degrees and a few were married, and with some, I had picked up on a bit of condescension. But I did my own version of “railfanning,” my own version of satisfactory sex.
In my case, I had a girlfriend and got laid here & there by other girls; in his case, he develops his insight and creates genuinely interesting character studies with women like his Wellsely Queen.
But at around 28, I got my shit together. And the impulse for this came 100% from within. My cheerleaders had nothing to do with it. If anything, they were a detriment over all this time, by putting me in gloomy, panicky moods with their exhortations.
Today I am successful by my own standards, and wouldn’t have changed anything about my past. More likely than not, DA wil feel the same way at around 35-38.
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DA,
Thanks for the clarification on “nigger game”. After giving this a bit of thought, I think we have to make some important distinctions here.
I’m very urban, but don’t consider myself “ghetto” as I’ve never lived in the projects etc. I lived/live on tree lined streets, where most folk owned their homes and so on. I think there’s a big difference btw being “ghetto” and being urban.
As I’ve said a number of times already, *most* Black people currently are *not* “ghetto* and in fact are solidly middle class, both in terms of income and in terms of acculturation. Why the “ghetto” characterization of the whole of Black America hangs on so, even among Black Americans such as yourself, is fascinating to me.
O
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Why the “ghetto” characterization of the whole of Black America hangs on so, even among Black Americans such as yourself, is fascinating to me
One possibility — people don’t notice normal-looking and normal-acting black people. They do however notice and react with repulsion toward what I consider the 2000’s ghetto look: truculent gaze, simian gait, droopy pants, oversized t-shits, and corn rows.
The contrast is unbelievable when I make an effort to notice normal looking black guys (of any social class) vs. the ghetto-looking ones.
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PA
Good points.
I have a similar story. I got my self (at least sort of) sorted out.
It is not something I really worry about but I do regret the utterly shameful waste of my most precious resource; my life, my youth. All that pain for what? To get where I would have been anyway, only later.
As I said, I don’t worry much about the past and I am fairly proud of my success. You can tie yourself up in knots with what-if and coulda-shoulda games. I still would have loved to be more “effecient” on my journey.
Your point about the negative effect of “cheerleaders” is well taken. I probably should worry about me, and let DA sort himself out in his own good time. I can now say that I did my bit for my younger self and get back to working for my current self.
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I’ll delay my creative replies to the well-written comments directed toward me for later as I’m currently dealing with a family emergency which was referenced one of the comments.
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is there a word for the “brainlockup/wtf/vortexofintelligencebeing suckedoutofmybrain” feeling that happened just by partially watching it?
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An even simpler game is breaking conventions
Maybe it’s me, but that comes across as retarded and condescending. At work, when my members pull that stuff on me, sometimes, it’s a nice distraction, but other times, I just want the member to get off the phone and stop wasting my time.
Given your interest in railfanning, is there a related trade? Should you be thinking of trade school?
As a bit of a joke, I did sign up for the conductor training programme for one the railroads up here, but the problem is that I’m rather clumsy so I shouldn’t be anywhere near a railroad. I’m just one of those people that in an earlier era, I would have starved to death due to a lack of physical strength and dexterity.
but I’m not about to waste a couple paragraphs pretending to be an occupational therapist if my advice is neither desired not likely to be followed.
Oddly, while I’m unlikely to follow it, I really do appreciate the useful and realistic advice that other commenters may write.
But the other thing I see from my vantage point is that David is not “falling behind” or otherwise losing in life. He’s a late bloomer with introspective, depressive qualities. A bit like me in my mid-20s.
As I said, I feel out place because I’m 25, but without a college degree, a big fancy job, a nice car, and luxurious lifestyle. So, when you see former classmates leading happy lives, one may tend to either become jealous or spiteful toward others, or depressed and sullen about the lack of progress one has made. Plus it doesn’t help when one is nagged about the situation by parents or the fact that I lie to friends and family about my current employment and schooling situation to the point that I evade meeting them.
My non-date feels the same way, and she feels that her lack of a career prevents her from meeting good men, leaving her with third rate men.
The recent flare up about my status is more so related to the fact that my parents are going through some financial trouble over health concerns, and if I had finished school, I would have enough money to support them. Since I haven’t finished school, I have no way of earning enough to really make a difference, and part of me feels rather guilty about that.
I think there’s a big difference btw being “ghetto” and being urban.
I’m actually well aware of that. My cousin isn’t ghetto, but he certainly doesn’t share my Oreo tastes. He loves coming to the US to buy the urban wear that he prefers, and has trouble finding in Ottawa.
Interestingly, Obsidian’s clothing choices remind me of my aunt’s Jamaican neighbour who was a sharp dresser, but had interesing colour choices that were shocking to Haitian sensibilities…
in fact are solidly middle class, both in terms of income and in terms of acculturation
I grew up in what was considered the best black neighbourhood in New York City for nearly twenty years, and from what I’ve seen, I’d argue that it’s skewed to what Half Sigma calls the high prole class. There are some middle class black people, but it seems that they tend to share the same neighbourhoods with their high prole counterparts or they live in small numbers in mostly white areas. Mind you, this can vary across the country, and things may be different in Phily.
And for what it’s worth, I’ll admit to not being middle class like some of my white neighbours, but high prole.
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Dave Alex,
In that tomorrow is a big day for the railroad in this country, are you familiar w/the history of the Pullman Porters? Fascinating stuff.
Also: could you please elaborate what you meant by my clothing choices and how they would be “shocking” to Haitian sensibilities? Do they come closer to the Jamaican style, and if so, how?
Thanks.
O
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Also: could you please elaborate what you meant by my clothing choices and how they would be “shocking” to Haitian sensibilities? Do they come closer to the Jamaican style, and if so, how?
The joke my friend from Barbados had was that Jamaicans could wear red, yellow, purple, green, and blue all on the same shirt. In other words, Haitian men tend to be much more traditional in their colour choices.
In that tomorrow is a big day for the railroad in this country, are you familiar w/the history of the Pullman Porters
The Pullman Porters were an interesting group, and one of the few decent paying gigs that a black man could have in that era. Allegedly, a sizable chunk of the decendents of that group have formed the black middle class since they had exposure to white people. Plus, the organising experience of A. Philip Randolph and other members of the Porters union provided a test case and archetype for the civil rights movement in the 1950s.
IIRC, the first railway that permitted black operating personel was New York City’s Independent Railway, and that was by virtue of the use of colour blind civil service tests that managed to avoid the racist practices in use at other railways and urban transit systems at the time.
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David Alexander
Thanks for your answer and have a great railfanning weekend.
🙂
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I haven’t gone through all the comments, so I don’t know if this was mentioned or not, but Entropy has a piece on why Henry’s letter was actually good game on his part. Basically, when you’re the billionaire owner of the Red Sox you have to DLV a bit (especially if your goal is an LTR rather than pump and dump) or you’ll be way beyond the value of any mortal woman.
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twiceaday
That is a good and interesting take on it. I gave my vote to quad bike guy without much thinking.
I gave John Henry the benefit of the doubt because he was an older gentleman practicing more “courtly” romance. It did not feel as natural to award him as it did to award the quad bike guy (who was the perfect tool).
I would never have come up with the analysis they did, but it doesn’t seem too off to me. Obviously a man with less value (wealth or attractiveness) would have to be careful with this approach.
Given his previous pre-nup arrangements he is no chump. I hope he will be as smart this time.
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[…] 28, 2009 by roissy The April 2009 BOTM contest was a runaway. Mr. “Don’t Judge an Alpha by His Cover” won with his stirring video loveletter […]
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I found it hard to believe that the Loren video was actually true until the end. I had to watch it to its finish. Jesus Suffering Fuck. What a poor, sad bastard. Good looking, tall, neo-Marlboro man built like a tank – then he farts it all away. You may bet Loren’s present guy isn’t as good looking.
If this sad bastard could tap into his inner bastard, he’d have to crowbar the pussy off his cock. Instead … “Lorennnnnnnnn …”
🙂
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Although, on closer reflection, I suspect that the video might be fake. Why? Above all else cos it’s too well shot. The camerawork / cinematography is utterly professional.
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This guy’s video is such an epic (failure) movie, I couldn’t stop chuckling while thinking about a scene from another epic movie…
Scene: Monster beta attempts to jump from his ladder over a dark carvernous ravine onto Lauren’s ladder.
Balrog: LAU-REN, I LOVE YOU!!!!
Lauren’s pussy (with Gandalf’s Voice): You shall not pass!!!!
A large, crackling bolt of lighning emanates from Lauren’s pussy and shoots straight towards the monster, stopping him dead in his tracks. He falls straight down into the abyss.
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