Email #1
Just came back from a great night out, I’ll try to make this brief.
I am beta by every standard you can have. I am 24 and I’ve had one girlfriend, who I had for five years. She’s my only lay.
I have severe one-itis for a girl at work. She has a boyfriend. She’s loyal to him. I know how ridiculous this sounds.
The point is that I just came back from a night out with her and another guy, who isn’t her boyfriend. The other guy is better looking than I am. He speaks something like three languages. He is “exotic.” He has known the girl for a lot longer than I have; he has a personal nickname for her.
Despite that, I rocked the whole night. This guy didn’t stand a chance. It was brutal. Six months ago, she would have been all over him, and I would have been sitting on the sideline, feeling empty and depressed. I want to note that I haven’t sarged once in those six months. (I have only ever sarged once, and it was barely, with two friends sarging and me being relegated to the ugly friend while they fought over the hot one.)
How did this happen? Application of game, pure and simple, reading a lot of theory, but most of the stuff I can actually use has come from your site – not really practical tips (although these have helped), but just how you think about yourself.
I’m a little buzzed, so I can’t formulate this as well as I want to without being even more long-winded than I’m already being. But I just wanted to say thanks – sincere thanks for putting this stuff out there. In the reproduction competition of life, I am still losing. But I went out tonight and I had fun – something I can’t say I’ve had while “out” for most of my life, but twice in the last three weeks, I’ve gone out and done this. I’ve gone from staying at home and feeling fucked to going out and participating in life, even a few nights being “that guy” who is driving the life of the party.
So even if I’m never a guy who can attract women consistently (although my belief that this is impossible fades day by day), application of the principles you espouse on the site have enabled me to actually be able to engage women in a way where I’m having fun, she’s having fun, where there is sexual tension and attraction, things that I have not really ever experienced as an adult. It is a feeling I can only describe as amazing.
Do I think you can be an asshole at times? Yeah. Who doesn’t? But I’d be the first guy to raise my hand to object to anyone who says what you’re doing is destructive, bad, etc. I’m biased because it’s my life, so it feels much more immediate, but just the fact that what you’re publishing on your site has been this useful, not to merely manifesting happiness, but virtually constructing it, in this one important arena of a man’s life – washes away a multitude of sins.
Best to you and yours, thanks again.
B.
I beam with pride when I read emails like this one. My hatred and evil brings love and good into the world. What was that sucking noise? Ah, yes, another steaming load of useless new age twaddle circling the drain.
First off, if you’ve had a girlfriend for five years that you were banging then you are not a beta “by every standard”, unless she is fat or ugly. Truly incorrigible betas can’t even manage that. So don’t beat yourself up too much. You’re not losing “in the reproduction area of life” because there are millions of men who aren’t getting any pussy at all and have to satisfy themselves with fleshlights. At your age with your one long-term girlfriend, you are, in fact, right smack in the middle of the oat-sowing bell curve.
Second, don’t fret about consistency in picking up chicks. From my experience and from what I know of naturals who do well with women, you will have brief periods of scarcity. This is the ebb and flow of the sexual market. Don’t panic and try to force your way out of those normal, cyclical downtimes. Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of beta minds. If you get into the self-defeating habit of ticking off the days and weeks since your last lay you will poison the well of your carefully cultivated alpha essence. Alphas never care about time since last bang because they don’t operate from a scarcity mentality; they know another woman is always within reach.
It is a feeling I can only describe as amazing.
Just wait until you jizz up her nose and she sneezes it out.
Do I think you can be an asshole at times? Yeah.
Don’t forget a narcissistic prick.
I’m biased because it’s my life, so it feels much more immediate, but just the fact that what you’re publishing on your site has been this useful, not to merely manifesting happiness, but virtually constructing it, in this one important arena of a man’s life – washes away a multitude of sins.
You wrote something important here — happiness is not granted from on high nor is it a wispy feeling that randomly alights on your mood. Happiness is constructed. It is the direct result of actions taken that further your genes’ goals of survival and reproduction. The better a man becomes with women, the happier he will be. Only monks dedicated to stripping themselves of their humanity and disembodying their consciousness from their physical shells can be said to rise above this happiness equation. Sure you could be a monk, but it’s easier to learn game. And a lot more fun.
Email #2
I met a girl with a ‘prior engagement.’ She lives with him, and likes him but somehow found herself on my lips. It was on an overnight cruise. She was receptive to my touch; every kiss, however, would end with her withdrawing and looking down in shame, touching. She did not reveal to her friends this dalliance of hers.
How would you overcome such resistance?
Note: This question is more hypothetical in nature; I did not take her number.
bien respectueusement
A.M.
She’s feeling like a cheap whore. As well she should. Your job, should you decide to accept it, is to communicate your nonjudgmentalism and the premium you place on secrecy in your affairs. “I believe that a good life, a fulfilled life, is one where we explore the possibilities, and never deny ourselves genuine happiness. There is nothing worse in life than regret, wouldn’t you agree?”
When she looks down, draw her attention away from her great shame. Take her hand and pull her to another location, point out the birghtness of the moon to her, and force her mind to occupy itself with positive feelings. You want to drown her guilt in a cascade of competing emotions. Venue changing is of utmost importance. So is establishing an immoveable frame. When she mutters regret under her breath, or looks down at her lap after a makeout, ignore the beta bait. Pull back and talk about random things. In her horror at the surge of her own uncontainable desire, she may blurt out details of her ‘prior engagement’, as if you should care. Ignore her. These are the words of a woman in the process of rationalizing what she is about to do despite her misgivings. Never attempt to engage her logically by talking her into an affair. That will backfire. Always… ALWAYS… remain in the realm of feelings. Good feelings. Whimsical feelings. …HORNY feelings.
Email #3
Feel free to publish this but don’t include my name or address.
She cheated. I don’t want her back. I want to crush her ego to the point where she will regret this action forever.
You know the answer.
Anon
Unlike the spineless pissboys and pissgirls who infest the ranks of our postmodern society (and this blog) with their limpdicked self-help dribblings to “move on” and “be the better man”, I will give you a chalice of hearty vengeance straight up and garnished with a gleeful cackle. Drink it down and feel it nourish your soul. After all, revenge is as sweet as love, and as natural. We would not possess the feeling if it did not most times work to our benefit.
First, I have to assume something about you and her. If she is crawling back to you hoping to wash away the stain of her sin by offering her only begotten womb to hang on the shaft of your cock, take her one more time. Keep the video camera running out of view while you are ripping apart her anus. Have bra and panties from another woman (purchased if necessary) lying strategically under your pillow for her to find during or after sex. When she has run crying out of your home, send a copy of the video to her parents with the words “A girl who was raised right” and a copy to the man with whom she cheated with the words “She loves you.” Go to a payphone in another city where you cannot be traced and call her employer, notifying them that she has been pilfering company property, and as you are a friend of another employee of that company who tipped you off (do some research and find out who her friends are where she works) you thought they should know. Tell human resources you must remain anonymous because the tip-off friend is worried that she (your girlfriend) has an explosive personality and might do something drastic.
If, on the other hand, she is not coming back for more sex, your options are more limited and you will have to do additional legwork to exact your vengeance. Do you have old sex vids of her in possession? Do what I wrote above. If you don’t have sex vids, find out if she is still seeing the guy she cheated with? If so, go to him in the spirit of two brothers meeting to discuss a family matter and offer him cash to make a lurid sex video of her and pass it on to you for public exposure. Your goal is to drag her reputation through the mud; girls live and breathe by their reps. If the new guy loves her, this tactic probably won’t be fruitful, unless you are willing to pay handsomely.
If the sex vid option is unavailable, do some research to locate and meet all her ex-boyfriends. Almost all exes would be happy to stick the shiv in for shits and giggles. Dig up as much dirt, true or not, as possible from them, along with pics and any love notes or saved emails, compile it into a prurient email novella and pass along to all her friends using an anonymous remailer so you cannot be traced. Be sure to have taped recordings of your ex bad-mouthing her current girlfriends (almost all girls have called a BFF “fat” or “slutty”) and insert them into your email as an audio file. Start a blog called “Mylovenoteto[name of your ex].com” and update daily with pics and torrid gossip. Always deny involvement.
Godspeed, Avatar of the Light!
excellent advice re: cheating girlfriend.
LikeLike
Post request: How to convince girls to make sex vids.
I’ve only done this once, and the chick actually managed to surreptitiously steal the memory stick from me and delete it. In the context of low-commitment dating, I simply can’t bring myself to ask straightforwardly, either because I’m not alpha enough to do it confidently, or because I’m just correct in thinking that the straightforward route is retarded, won’t get the vid, and will in fact probably back-fire and put her on the defensive.
LikeLike
If she is crawling back to you hoping to wash away the stain of her sin by offering her only begotten womb to hang on the shaft of your cock, take her one more time. Keep the video camera running out of view while you are ripping apart her anus. Have bra and panties from another woman (purchased if necessary) lying strategically under your pillow for her to find during or after sex. When she has run crying out of your home, send a copy of the video to her parents with the words “A girl who was raised right” and a copy to the man with whom she cheated with the words “She loves you.”
Ahem, Roissy, if I’m not mistaken, taking a sex video of an unknowing person using a hidden camera is a crime in most places. Are you willing to post bail and pay for a lawyer for anyone who follows your advice?
Peter
LikeLike
Happiness is constructed. It is the direct result of actions taken that further your genes’ goals of survival and reproduction.
A Dios rogando y con el mazo dando!
LikeLike
The best “revenge” IMHO is to do none of the things advised, merely bang as many of her hot friends and relatives (younger sisters etc) as possible.
The other stuff is illegal, actionable, and IMHO self-defeating, and demeaning. A true Alpha would never stoop to that, merely bang more hot chicks.
The whole point is NOT caring. One way or another. THAT IMHO is the best revenge. Not hatred, indifference.
LikeLike
legal/illegal doesn’t matter to women; odds are she’ll never prosecute, because it would force her to admit in public to all the things in the videos/audio files are true. Roissy said it best: she lives and dies by her rep. Feminists still can’t invent a way to protect sluts, no matter how hard their weak little female brains try.
Roissy, I salute you, sir.
LikeLike
—excellent advice re: cheating girlfriend—
A waste of time and energy. Fuck her once more, then out the door…
LikeLike
Whiskey:
Awesome.
All the more powerful because you’ve temporarily stepped out of your “third-person observer of societal decay” mode to post this.
Yes.
—
Isn’t delighting in revenge a bit on the distaff side, Roissy?
This is chick-think. The biggest reason ghetto gangbangers, for instance, are so bent on revenge for trivialities is because they aren’t raised by men to rise above trifles.
If she’s your wife, or if you’re heavily invested in her in some other way… maybe
But if you’re a true Alpha, then her loss of YOU, and her looking at all her future men and wishing they were you, will be revenge enough.
LikeLike
whiskey,
Exactly.
This best cure for “fly girl lost” is “fly girl found”.
Or “fly girls found”
– MPM
LikeLike
whiskey, 87:
if more social shaming was doled out, as per roissy’s recipe for humiliation, things would be much better for men.
no more trifling wives and girlfriends. this society has lost sight of those values, and i think it’s proper to shame a woman for her actions. women don’t hesitate to rake their husband over the coals if he is unfaithful, jeopardizing his career, income, and social network; we as men need to hit women where it hurts when they commit such acts. internet videos can have that effect.
most men aren’t alpha anyway so why should they all conduct themselves by the alpha handbook? i sincerely doubt roissy would actually follow through with his advice, but somebody will and should.
i’m not an advocate of violence, but women should be reminded of the potency of masculine revenge from time to time.
LikeLike
so you sent her video to her parents and the guy she cheated with. SO what? You’ll get a life sentence for that?
Do it and fuck the law. You create your own bad boy reputation as long as destroy hers.
The “Ï don’t care ” does not include cheating. It includes doesn’t caring for the consequences of your actions.,
LikeLike
on May 6, 2009 at 12:47 pm Chuck
Any acknowledgement implies you care, then someone else has power over you. So she’s worth spending time putting on the internet? Let her do it herself. Like I said, once more and out the door…Its just business…
LikeLike
When I see Whiskey and G Manifesto on the same page, I feel good. Like something special is happening.
(Cue music)
Though I agree with Whiskey. Bang her younger sister. And her mom.
LikeLike
I hear ya, but there’s still a Moon River sized gap between “slut shaming” and the above-mentioned tactics.
Number one, these tactics just scream beta, chick-think, beta, self-flagellation, beta, and beta. Men with options simply don’t do things like this.
Number two, you’d be advertising the fact that you’d been cheated on.
One big, big thing you’re forgetting: being cheated on lowers the perception of a guy’s value.
Being cheated on does NOT lower the perception of a woman’s value. It just doesn’t. It’s not as though Silda Spitzer suddenly seemed any less desirable as a wife when the prostitute thing came out.
Number three, if you have enough time and effort on your hands to do these things, your problems don’t stop there.
—
Social shaming is so called because it needs to be accomplished by society, not just by bitter exes.
If you’re really naive enough to think that we can reach détente through this sort of Mutually Assured Destruction, you’ve been in Kansas for too long.
LikeLike
Chuck, gig, et al:
A better way, and a more manly way, to achieve this revenge would be to create a universally accessible database of cheating women. If you really wanted to twist the knife, you could post your video archives to such a site.
I don’t understand why this hasn’t already been done.
Women have tried this – see womansavers.com, for example – but that won’t really accomplish much, as women’s decisions are more visceral than rational.
Men, on the other hand, would be much more likely to act upon the results of conducted research.
LikeLike
Social shaming only works when women do this. When women shame each other over things, like the wrong shoes or a beta husband, it’s very, very powerful. When men do it, it simply does not work.
Because women don’t care about what non-Alpha men think of them.
The best revenge is to be having sex with as many other women as possible. Making sure you never care one way or another about the girl in question or what she thinks.
Gaming a younger, hotter friend is the best way, even better a younger sister. This is because it affirms your value (“Other, more desirable women want me”) to the wider world after the damage (well put by others) done by cheating.
The primary goal of a man who was cheated on should be to rebuild his market value by screwing as many other hotter, and particularly YOUNGER (even if by just a few years) women as possible.
Since that validates high value for the man.
LikeLike
“When she looks down, draw her attention away from her great shame. Take her hand and pull her to another location, point out the birghtness of the moon to her, and force her mind to occupy itself with positive feelings.”
I can’t stress how important this is. Guys always try to logically argue with a chick who isn’t making any sense or who is trying to justify her actions because she feels guilty. I used to do this (still do sometimes but I try and catch myself). What needs to be done is forget the logic and concentrate on getting her to feel those attractive, addicting and ecstatic emotions around you.
LikeLike
87
“Being cheated on does NOT lower the perception of a woman’s value.”
Interesting point you brought up.
In fact, being cheated on probably raises a woman’s value in Beta eyes.
Alphas don’t care either way.
Alphas are too busy swooping girls, making CASH, and living in a Vino haze.
– MPM
LikeLike
The primary goal of a man who was cheated on should be to rebuild his market value by screwing as many other hotter, and particularly YOUNGER (even if by just a few years) women as possible.
Right after dropping a hot load on your ex’s face and booting her out the door.
LikeLike
Brad,
“What needs to be done is forget the logic and concentrate on getting her to feel those attractive, addicting and ecstatic emotions around you.”
That my friend, is Game. “Relationship Game” actually.
Never try logic with a girl.
Or argue on her terms.
It never works. I can’t believe most guys do this.
Always re-frame the situation.
Then swoop her again.
What comes next is up to you.
– MPM
LikeLike
Damn. That’s pretty evil. Kind of like, for all you South Park fans out there, when Cartman cooked that dude’s parents into some chili. *Way* over the top.
I’m with whiskey, 87 and GMan on this – best to walk away. But I also like the idea of imposing consequences, in the way that women invariably to do men in that situation. I’d stick to screwing her relationship with the new guy somehow, then moving on. Nuking from orbit shows that you might have had too much invested, and makes you look suspciously like Beta Video Boy from yesterday. Or, rather, his very evil twin …
On e-mail #2: good stuff, and I don’t think he needed a number close if they were on a cruise ship. a CRUISE SHIP, ferchrissakes. I guess there wasn’t enough detail in the e-mail, but it got me thinking about specific things to say/do to evoke the necessary emotional state. Obviously it would have to be very context dependent. I’ve been in that situation a number of times myself, and for various reasons did not correctly push through to the end.
LikeLike
Just spotted this Roissy reference:
http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/05/americas_first_face_transplant.php#comment-192107
LikeLike
I think the email #2 raises an interesting point. How many women in an invested relationship are looking for something on the side?
And what is the value of a woman looking to trade-up? We all want to trade up sometimes, men as well as women, but where should a guy draw the line?
Non-committal boyfriend she’d like to dump for you? Married? Engaged?
LikeLike
@ whiskey
“The whole point is NOT caring. One way or another. THAT IMHO is the best revenge. Not hatred, indifference.”
Yes!
@ 87
“If she’s your wife, or if you’re heavily invested in her in some other way… maybe”
Maybe…you should publicize your sex tapes? Hmm. I still think being indifferent is a better revenge. What he said (Roissy) all just strikes me as…showing weakness. And emotion. Insofar as dealing with women, especially in a situation like this where they’re obviously looking for attention, I think !emotion is the better way to go. I’m not saying men should never show weakness/emotion (though I’m sure everyone here has opinions on that), but she’s not worth your energy. Any of it.
LikeLike
Whiskey
You are confusing me. Why would a guy want to draw a line?
If the woman is attractive, and wants sex from you, it is your duty to fuck her.
The rest is just details.
LikeLike
Ah, no.
I meant that considering “revenge” at all should be reserved for cases is which one has been, so to speak, divested of resources.
Even in that case, I wouldn’t go the public-sex-tape route. I’d prefer to keep it private.
—
On the other hand, consensual release of sex tapes, now that could be something.
Especially if you and your girl are so fly that you make one plus one equal three.
LikeLike
LILGRL:
I feel very strongly on that matter.
I’ll keep it to myself, though.
LikeLike
I don’t really understand the desire for revenge for a woman who has “cheated”.
Either she was emotionally invested in you, or not. If she was not, then it is your error to be emotionally invested in her. Live and learn. All women are at root devilish whores. That knowledge helps you to game them, as you can better appreciate their natures and love them better, by pulling their hair and calling the next girl a slutty little bitch during role-play sex.
And if she was emotionally invested in you, but sat on a cock – smack her a bit. Or re-dominate, somehow.
Revenge doesn’t re-dominate, and only proves you were over-invested in a poor investment.
LikeLike
Lilgrl, until there are naked pictures of you on your webstie and not the cheesecake cocktease ones there, you deserve no response.
show us the goods, babe.
LikeLike
Let’s go way back into the distant mists of pre-history. So far back, in fact, that the only Bald Eagles flew in the air. I’d been seeing this woman for quite a while, putting up with all sorts of crap, until her behavior simply became intolerable and I dumped her. Dumping a chick was a very difficult thing for me to do back then, because at 5’10” and 245 pounds* it’s not as if hordes of women were flinging their panties my way.
In any event, within a few days of the dumping, she called me pleading and sobbing for me to take her back. I said, very simply, “No,” and hung up the phone. You cannot begin to imagine how satisfying that was for me. Far, far, far more satisfying than any petty revenge tactics ever could have been.
* = I am repulsed that I ever let myself get that way.
Peter
LikeLike
If you have to call it “role play”, you lose.
Your sex life should reflect your relationship, and your relationship should reflect your sex life.
If this is make-believe “role play”, what sort of pussyfooting shit is your relationship?
LikeLike
Roissy,
I agree that revenge is fine and even warranted in the third scenario.
But it seems like your prescription could easily delve into viciousness, which is a very unmasculine, very effeminate thing.
Ruthlessness is masculine; viciousness is feminine.
If you can’t tell the difference, either you’re not an alpha or you’ve been so thoroughly brainwashed by the postmodern cesspool of a society that is the contemporary Western world.
LikeLike
some of you write as if you have never tasted the sweet elixir of vengeance.
remember, the emailer didn’t ask me for advice on how to score new pussy. he asked me for advice on how to make his ex suffer for her whoring. i obliged.
lilgirl:
Hmm. I still think being indifferent is a better revenge.
what will hurt her more? indifference, or the precise soul-dissection of cold revenge?
the question answers itself.
What he said (Roissy) all just strikes me as…showing weakness.
weak men are incapable of putting into action my suggestions for revenge.
And emotion.
to catch and kill your prey, you must think like your prey.
I think !emotion is the better way to go.
a response of indifference by your hypothetical victim appeals to you because you know, deep down, my recipe for revenge, were it done to you, would hurt you immeasurably.
but she’s not worth your energy.
who said such expenditure of energy was for her benefit?
Any of it.
pursuing fresh pussy in the wake of a cheating scandal and exacting delicious revenge on the cheater left behind are not mutually exclusive.
LikeLike
P.S. It’s a subtle difference, but of all people I would think you would recognize it.
LikeLike
“How many women in an invested relationship are looking for something on the side?”
All women.
Especially if they are in the same room as me.
– MPM
LikeLike
…responded lurker.
LikeLike
powhatan:
But it seems like your prescription could easily delve into viciousness, which is a very unmasculine, very effeminate thing.
tell it to chairman mao.
Ruthlessness is masculine; viciousness is feminine.
sophistry is beta.
LikeLike
The girl in my bed today is my secretary, a 15 year old cookie peddling salesgirl, the future mother of my children, a raw sex animal, a victim of consensual rape, nameless pure joy, and a jazz musician who uses sex as her main instrument. We riff off of each other, and no theme is taboo.
I don’t have to call it role play – but it helps for those unfamiliar with exploring aspects of their self and sexuality to use the term.
There are times when I truly feel that my lovers are my daughter – the bond is so intimate. Role play becomes a reality. Real enough. Sex games are real enough – intimate, playful, ever changing.
LikeLike
@ lurker
“Lilgrl, until there are naked pictures of you on your webstie and not the cheesecake cocktease ones there, you deserve no response.
show us the goods, babe.”
How nice of you to respond.
See what you’re doing? Giving me attention. Women are total attention-whores, which is one of the reasons you (“The Alpha Male”) should NOT proceed with any of the aforementioned revenge tactics in the instance of cheating. Sure, it might hurt her reputation a bit, or make her ashamed in front of her family, but what it’s ultimately doing is reaffirming your emotional investment in her.
Tsk.
@ 87
Thank you for keeping the integrity of my nom de plume.
“Your sex life should reflect your relationship, and your relationship should reflect your sex life.”
Yes.
LikeLike
LILGRL –
I don’t mind the cheesecake cocktease photos -they are adorable. Welcome to Valhalla – come back often.
LikeLike
“Insofar as dealing with women, especially in a situation like this where they’re obviously looking for attention, I think !emotion is the better way to go. I’m not saying men should never show weakness/emotion (though I’m sure everyone here has opinions on that), but she’s not worth your energy. Any of it.”
Agreed, totally. The best revenge is simple: she is who she is, and she’s likely going to have a shitty life because of it. Why waste your time trying to make that shitty life a little bit worse? Spend your time making your life better. When you see her ten years down the road broken and lonely, feel a moment of pity before forgetting about her again.
LikeLike
Yeah, I can’t think of a better term.
We need one.
LikeLike
exposing a cheating woman will not do anything to her sex life. men will still line up to bang her and a few will probably even capitalize on her vulnerability to stick it in her ass. this doesn’t change the fact that her cheating is a sunk cost. a cheated-on man is the worst of our gender. he has lost everything. he is viewed as a leper. revenge is the only salve for his wounds.
i have a story to share. this happened to a 26 y.o. chick i work with. she’s a slut. she cheated on her ex boyfriend, a minor local celebrity here in town (he’s a weatherman on TV).
he hacked her password to admin functions for the website she runs. he posted pictures from facebook of her and some of the guys she’s been banging over the past few months (she’s gone into full post relationship fuck everything that moves mode). he put snarky comments about her being a whore and slut on the website etc.
now, he’s completely beta. she cheated on him and defiled his masculinity. but the thing is *THIS IS A SUNK COST*. She had already advertised, both to the guys she was fucking and to everyone else, that she was cheating on her boyfriend. He had nothing to lose by shaming her.
And his shaming worked. It ruined her life for a couple of weeks. She devoted long sad-ass facebook status updates to how much she hated him and men in general. but i silently applauded the guy. and he will make an indelible impression on this chick for the rest of her life. she probably wouldn’t remember the weak dribble from his flacid man-child penis, but she’ll remember the wrath he wrecked on her website. *and she’ll tell her daughters and friends.*
LikeLike
Chuck
If there weren’t men willing to fuck these women, they couldn’t cheat. I don’t really remember anyone here criticizing men who are involved with married or taken women, and I’m not sure if even cheating by men is seen as a bad thing by most people here.
LikeLike
Unfortunately, the last five words here carry more weight than do the first four.
LikeLike
From what I understand the desire for revenge is stronger in some people than in others, and this desire has a genetic basis.
I’m too lazy to dig out the references – but obviously revenge has a genetic basis, so no surprise on genetic variance.
I simply have never felt that emotion, that I can recall. It will always be foreign to me, and illogical.
LikeLike
lilgirl:
Sure, it might hurt her reputation a bit, or make her ashamed in front of her family, but what it’s ultimately doing is reaffirming your emotional investment in her.
not if he proceeds anonymously, maintains plausible deniability, and cuts off all contact with her. read closely. this isn’t a lovelorn beta begging for his woman back and lashing out wildly in anger. this is a cold-hearted soulkiller already onto his next pussy enjoying the pleasure of destroying an ex who betrayed him. history’s greatest alpha males, and females, were intimately familiar with the unparalleled delights of administering revenge.
the cheater will have nothing to console her but the nightmare vision in her head of the ear to ear smile on the face of her betrayed ex as he glows with the satisfaction over a hit job well done.
LikeLike
That it’s illogical is precisely why we refer to it as an “emotion”. Was this meant to be in contrast to other, ostensibly more logical, emotions?
If so, I can’t think of them.
—
And, would revenge still be “illogical” against, say, a drunk driver who’d killed one of your daughters (real or metaphorical) in a crash?
If your answer is yes, I worry for you.
LikeLike
—And his shaming worked. It ruined her life for a couple of weeks… and he will make an indelible impression on this chick for the rest of her life.—
I bet it did. Waste of time and energy…And he looks like an idiot.
LikeLike
the cheater will have nothing to console her but the nightmare vision in her head of the ear to ear smile on the face of her betrayed ex as he glows with the satisfaction over a hit job well done.
and, if done right (with anonymity), she won’t be able to do anything about it but mull over her wrecked rep.
LikeLike
I think Roissy’s point in the comments was that revenge is not for her, or about her – it’s for YOU. To right the damaged karma and to assert and demand a proper Alpha sense of self-worth. I get that, but I still disagree on the scale- it’s appropriate to impose some real costs (reputation lowering, etc.) but not totally go postal as described.
See the above from Chuck- ruined her life “for a few weeks”. BFD! It was disproportionate and she still didn’t care. The wetaherman satisfied his vengeful impulses, which is something, but she barely noticed. Not worthwhile from a cost-benefit point of view.
LikeLike
How do you square this with the sex vids, which presumably are not so carefully recorded as to obliterate all identifying biometric features of the man fucking her?
LikeLike
You are getting closer to groking me with this second comment. But not close enough.
I am not condeming emotions – simply stating that there is a common emotion that I barely have. Since I don’t feel that emotion, my only other tools of understanding are … NOT that emotion. Logic would try to step in.
Other emotions, I’m more than familiar with.
LikeLike
“I simply have never felt that emotion, that I can recall. It will always be foreign to me, and illogical.”
I’m picking crew members for my starship called the Enterprise. I’ve already got a black chick to take the calls, a Scot to keep the thing running in the engine room and a couple of unammed guys who only appear when someone needs to get killed, but you’re the person I need!
LikeLike
Kirk – your world view of people having two dimensional personalities could use a nuance upgrade.
LikeLike
lilgirl
has a rare achievement
for an Asian: a big ass
LikeLike
I think Roissy’s point in the comments was that revenge is not for her, or about her – it’s for YOU.
This is quite true. There’s different ways, and varying levels, of which to exact revenge. It truly depends on the circumstances.
Case in point: I was dating a korean girl awhile ago (crazy, of course), where the relationship was on the outs. Of most importance, she hated the thought of a blowjob or even getting a facial of any sort. It was truly disgusting to her (see? crazy). She had wronged me, and in order to exact my own revenge… yes, you guessed it.
I blasted a sweet load all over her face. And to this day i still remember the look of anger, disgust, and outrage. That was all the revenge i needed.
to reiterate, revenge is truly about YOU.
LikeLike
“Not worthwhile from a cost-benefit point of view.”
You guys are assuming there’s some great cost in revenge. it can be relatively quick and cheap to get revenge on someone.
i’ll repeat, his ego and reputation has already been damaged by the fact that his woman cheated in the first place. seeking revenge will at least gain him some respect from others who had previously lost it for him. and it will feel good to boot.
LikeLike
@ roissy
“a response of indifference by your hypothetical victim appeals to you because you know, deep down, my recipe for revenge, were it done to you, would hurt you immeasurably.”
I don’t know about “immeasurably,” but sure…I can imagine such a response would probably not be an awesome fun party. However, I would probably be able to get over it. As mentioned above —
“It ruined her life for a couple of weeks.”
But not forever. Not even a month. And then you’ve expended energy on what? “Ruining someone’s life” for a couple of weeks? Sorry. Weak.
As for anonymity…I suppose if you can pull it off, why not. But I feel like it would take even more effort. Especially in the case of, uh, sex tapes.
LikeLike
lilgirl
has a rare achievement
for an Asian: a big ass
disagree.
LikeLike
“I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust.
Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don’t know why.
My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days. I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask of sanity is about to slip.”
Patrick Bateman on emotions.
– MPM
LikeLike
“Kirk – your world view of people having two dimensional personalities could use a nuance upgrade.”
Mirror, Mirror, xsplat…
LikeLike
Chuck
If there weren’t men willing to fuck these women, they couldn’t cheat. In fact, I don’t really remember anyone here criticizing men who are involved with married or taken women.
87
So being physically and verbally abusive towards your girlfriend is something you should do routinely and on a daily basis, because anything else is “pussyfooting shit.” Got it.
I like how people are flirting with LILGRL in the hopes that she will have sex with them (women? In my Internet?!).
LikeLike
that essien goal was retarded
LikeLike
That first email was heart-warming. Sometimes the focus on what’s alpha or beta obscures the fact that this stuff isn’t really binary, and game can help anybody in any situation.
My game has never been particularly good or bad, but recently I was out with friends, and one of the hotter girls in the group was out with her boyfriend. I got her alone and started to ask whether or not her ginormous breasts had started sagging yet – she of course said they hadn’t. To test, I just reached out and grabbed one, slipping inside the shirt, then casually said “I guess you’re right – it’s okay.” She ignored her boyfriend and followed me around the rest of the night, which was great because I was into a different girl, so the effect was fantastic.
It’s not like I was sitting there thinking “What would Roissy do?” but I’m pretty sure that if I hadn’t been a regular reader of this blog, there’s no way I would ever in my life have grabbed a tit without invitation.
LikeLike
“seeking revenge will at least gain him some respect from others who had previously lost it for him”
From who? Yeah, right… He’ll look like a loser. A sore loser. Someone who yelps when he gets his leash yanked.
LikeLike
“How nice of you to respond.”
—Oh gosh, another women who doesn’t understand irony. And sarcasm. 😉
“See what you’re doing? Giving me attention.”
—the attention your bf isn’t capable of providing. Let me show you how a man treats a lady–then you won’t need all those photos on the internet to validate your womanliness.
” Women are total attention-whores, which is one of the reasons you should NOT proceed with any of the aforementioned revenge tactics in the instance of cheating. ”
–au contraire. If you embarass the shnikees out a woman, you do two things: 1) lube her ego; 2) make her realize she is below you on the social food chain.
Do that, and she is forever your booty call.
LikeLike
Sneaking around with a cheating woman is beta. And sleeping with another guy’s woman is dangerous. Societal conditioning and the law deter most cuckolded men from taking the truest alpha response: violence. But there is always the risk that a cuckolded man will snap and not be deterred from seeking violent revenge.
IMO, it’s best to avoid banging cheaters.
LikeLike
Roissy, can we ban tokyo again?
LikeLike
like how people are flirting with LILGRL in the hopes that she will have sex with them (women? In my Internet?!).
Through the screen? It is a website comment log you imbecile, of course people are going to play games. Christ, are you an idiot…
LikeLike
Drooler, telling tokyo he’s an idiot is like telling a liberal they’re wrong. Both are incapable of understanding you, due to a combination of low IQ and autistic social skills.
LikeLike
RTC
We tend to attribute causes to catalysts. Some people think certain kinds of meditation cause overal mental maturation. Some people think game is caused by an athletic training of the personality. Yes, practicing mind-sets has an effect, but these practices are not causes – they are catalysts. Simply growing old causes maturation, and improvement in game – if you remain social and single.
LikeLike
There wouldn’t really be any way to anonymously pull that off unless this girl has a lot of people who want to make her life miserable.
Aside from that, revenge feels good almost all the time (as long as it doesn’t backfire on you), and pulling off that scheme would be a major dose of revenge. The girl would probably think you’re borderline psychotic, but as mentioned above it isn’t about her.
LikeLike
mr. m
i’m not saying her bottom (and top) are real. i’m just saying it looks good on her till she hits 30
LikeLike
Lurker, and all, Tokyo isn’t expressing any actual opinions. He’s just trying to be a distraction, an aim at which he always succeeds marvelously.
As proof, he has claimed on other threads that “there’s nothing [he] can do about [his multiple posts]”, that “[he] do[es]n’t talk to anyone” (i.e., in his entire life), etc.
If we ignore him, he will eventually go away.
LikeLike
Roissy,
Chairman Mao was Oriental.
You’ve read Sailer.
How hard could it have been to dominate a Chinese Communist Party full of fawning, obsequious Orientals and eunuchs?
Even his greatest competition, the America backed Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, was an effete Oriental weakling who was dominated totally by his wife, Madame Chiang Kai-shek.
LikeLike
now it is clear for me that this is a cultural phenomenon. In as much as I am representative of my culture, the right of revenge is as natural as breathing.
LikeLike
Tokyo blockquotes everyone, so people feel the need to answer him.
If tokyo blockquotes you, it is not because you are special or said something smart, but because he thinks you will answer him
LikeLike
It seems people are not paying attention. Not all emotions are universal.
http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/917/
LikeLike
@ Firepower
“i’m not saying her bottom (and top) are real. i’m just saying it looks good on her till she hits 30”
‘Til I hit 30?! Whoa there! I’m Asian…I’ll be hot forever.
Hahaha.
Also, yeah, do you think I’d want my ass to be that big and my tits to be that small? Seriously, I’d hope I’d at least do better at choosing my plastic surgery.
SRSLY!
@ Don’t Bother
“From who? Yeah, right… He’ll look like a loser. A sore loser. Someone who yelps when he gets his leash yanked.”
I do agree.
Okay, I’ll concede: If you can exact revenge with very minimal energy involved (even though, just dwelling on her long enough to concoct some nefarious plan is…a lot of energy, in my opinion), remain completely anonymous, and ruin her life or hurt her “immeasurably” — then yeah, revenge feels good. So perhaps someone should enlighten us with a good game plan. Still, though:
“But if you’re a true Alpha, then her loss of YOU, and her looking at all her future men and wishing they were you, will be revenge enough.”
LikeLike
From experience, Asians are at their best when occupied by scut work demanded by any interchangeable, imperious Generalissimo.
Not just an ordinary General, mind you.
LikeLike
firepower,
no no. you misinterpret what i meant…i shall elaborate.
lilgrl appears to be chinese, of which specific to that ethnicity i’ve seen many a large ass, big hips, thick legs, etc. i’ve also encountered the more rare (at least to me), chinese with D+ tits.
however, once you open the floor to all asians (ala filipinos), you see that while most asians tend to be petite, they certainly are not bereft of curvy figures.
lilgrl is certainly not an exception when it comes to asian women. plus she’s in a corset and garter/stockings, where else would your attention go?
LikeLike
Tokyo blockquotes everyone, so people feel the need to answer him.
If tokyo blockquotes you, it is not because you are special or said something smart, but because he thinks you will answer him
Where’s Darth Maul when we need him?
LikeLike
lurker
For what? Disagreeing with people? Calling them out on their bullshit? Isn’t this the place where pretty lies perish?
You constantly troll me and attempt to derail threads with random flamewars and off-topic arguments. You, if anyone, should be banned.
Drooler
At no point did I did say that their fantasies have anything to do with reality. They think, somewhere in the back of the minds, that if they flirt enough with Woman on the Internet, they’ll somehow get to have sex with her. This kind of behavior is often seen among video gamers.
87</b<
Yes, how dare people disagree with status quo groupthinking. They must all be trolls, surely.
What does it prove and how does it prove it? xB Browser (which I am forced to use on this site by roissy’s ip bans) and WordPress are both pieces of shit and a nightmarish combination. When I post a message the server will receive it (as evidence by the fact that if I send it again it will be rejected as a duplicate), but there’s no guarantee that it will ever actually show up on the site. If it does show up, it could be instanteous or it could take ten minutes. On rare occasions things will work exactly as they should, but in most cases I’ll post the message and have no idea if and when it’ll reach the site. Thus, the only option is to post it again and again until I see it on the sidebar.
As for me not talking to anyone, I have no idea where you got that from (I’m guessing you either made it up or took something out of context). I am currently studying and doing job training and I interact with people all the time.
I see you’re in favor of the “echo chamber” model of discussion where everyone just sits around agreeing with each other.
I also like how you have no problem with lurker even though he is constantly attempting to deliberately destroy threads through trolling, flamebaiting and off-topic nonsense. So you’re cool with disruptive trolling but can’t stand people who disagree with you about something, especially when you don’t have a counter-argument.
gig
Uh… isn’t that the whole idea here? You say something and then someone responds? Isn’t that kind of how it usually works?
LikeLike
Your man would.
This is all that’s relevant.
End of transmission.
LikeLike
—lilgrl appears to be chinese, of which specific to that ethnicity i’ve seen many a large ass, big hips, thick legs, etc. i’ve also encountered the more rare (at least to me), chinese with D+ tits.—
Sounds like a perfect candidate for the People’s Liberation Army! Lost and lots of walking.
Onward to the Long March, Comrades! Death to the Imperialists and their running dog lackeys!
LikeLike
lurker
For what? Disagreeing with people? Calling them out on their bullshit? Isn’t this the place where pretty lies perish?
You constantly troll me and attempt to derail threads with random flamewars and off-topic arguments. You, if anyone, should be banned.
Drooler
At no point did I did say that their fantasies have anything to do with reality. They think, somewhere in the back of the minds, that if they flirt enough with Woman on the Internet, they’ll somehow get to have sex with her. This kind of behavior is often seen among video gamers.
87</b<
Yes, how dare people disagree with status quo groupthinking. They must all be trolls, surely.
What does it prove and how does it prove it? xB Browser (which I am forced to use on this site by roissy’s ip bans) and WordPress are both pieces of shit and a nightmarish combination. When I post a message the server will receive it (as evidence by the fact that if I send it again it will be rejected as a duplicate), but there’s no guarantee that it will ever actually show up on the site. If it does show up, it could be instanteous or it could take ten minutes. On rare occasions things will work exactly as they should, but in most cases I’ll post the message and have no idea if and when it’ll reach the site. Thus, the only option is to post it again and again until I see it on the sidebar.
As for me not talking to anyone, I have no idea where you got that from (I’m guessing you either made it up or took something out of context). I am currently studying and doing job training and I interact with people all the time.
I see you’re in favor of the “echo chamber” model of discussion where everyone just sits around agreeing with each other.
I also like how you have no problem with lurker even though he is constantly attempting to deliberately destroy threads through trolling, flamebaiting and off-topic nonsense. So you’re cool with disruptive trolling but can’t stand people who disagree with you about something, especially when you don’t have a counter-argument.
gig
Uh… isn’t that the whole idea here? You say something and then someone responds? Isn’t that kind of how it usually works?
.
LikeLike
lurker
For what? Disagreeing with people? Calling them out on their bullshit? Isn’t this the place where pretty lies perish?
You constantly troll me and attempt to derail threads with random flamewars and off-topic arguments. You, if anyone, should be banned.
Drooler
At no point did I did say that their fantasies have anything to do with reality. They think, somewhere in the back of the minds, that if they flirt enough with Woman on the Internet, they’ll somehow get to have sex with her. This kind of behavior is often seen among video gamers.
87
Yes, how dare people disagree with status quo groupthinking. They must all be trolls, surely.
What does it prove and how does it prove it? xB Browser (which I am forced to use on this site by roissy’s ip bans) and WordPress are both pieces of shit and a nightmarish combination. When I post a message the server will receive it (as evidence by the fact that if I send it again it will be rejected as a duplicate), but there’s no guarantee that it will ever actually show up on the site. If it does show up, it could be instanteous or it could take ten minutes. On rare occasions things will work exactly as they should, but in most cases I’ll post the message and have no idea if and when it’ll reach the site. Thus, the only option is to post it again and again until I see it on the sidebar.
As for me not talking to anyone, I have no idea where you got that from (I’m guessing you either made it up or took something out of context). I am currently studying and doing job training and I interact with people all the time.
I see you’re in favor of the “echo chamber” model of discussion where everyone just sits around agreeing with each other.
I also like how you have no problem with lurker even though he is constantly attempting to deliberately destroy threads through trolling, flamebaiting and off-topic nonsense. So you’re cool with disruptive trolling but can’t stand people who disagree with you about something, especially when you don’t have a counter-argument.
gig
Uh… isn’t that the whole idea here? You say something and then someone responds? Isn’t that kind of how it usually works?
(fixed tag)
LikeLike
@ people who think I’m Chinese
I’m not Chinese.
@ 87
“Your man would.”
My man, hmm.
@ everyone
Let us band together in the boycotting of contrarian. (I don’t want to call him ‘Tokyo,’ because Tokyo <3) He will go away.
LikeLike
“I’m not Chinese.”
You VC?! You VC!? There’s enough rice here to feed a fuckin’ battalion!
LikeLike
It’s irritating to have to scroll down past a comment – but other than that – what’s the issue with contrarian? Why bother admonishing people to ignore him? That is not ignoring him. If you want to ignore him, simply ignore him. There are arrow keys and page down keys and a scroll bar handy for that.
The reall asshole on this forum is ironrail. Sometimes he posts real comments, and sometimes he just leads you on to his stupid and irritating punchline. At least contrarian is always a complete useless tard.
LikeLike
@ LILGRL
“Til I hit 30?! Whoa there! I’m Asian…I’ll be hot forever.”
Perhaps, but there’s just so MANY Asian girls. For every five million used 25-year old women, there’s nine million fresh 20-year olds etc…ad infinitum…
“…do you think I’d want my ass to be that big and my tits to be that small? Seriously, I’d hope I’d at least do better at choosing my plastic surgery.”
I’m an impartial judge; I prefer big asses like yours on my Asian gfs. your photos have a kind of a 1940’s catalog send-up meets ‘Flower Drum Song’ cum ‘Suzy Wong” appeal. when you get plastic surgery on your tits, I have a doctor friend who specializes in making Asian girls look proportionate. personally, I dont recommend getting work done but then again, I prefer small breasted Asians
LikeLike
Lilgirl, why no answer? You break my heart :'(:
“How nice of you to respond.”
—Oh gosh, another women who doesn’t understand irony. And sarcasm.
“See what you’re doing? Giving me attention.”
—the attention your bf isn’t capable of providing. Let me show you how a man treats a lady–then you won’t need all those photos on the internet to validate your womanliness.
” Women are total attention-whores, which is one of the reasons you should NOT proceed with any of the aforementioned revenge tactics in the instance of cheating. ”
–au contraire. If you embarass the shnikees out a woman, you do two things: 1) lube her ego; 2) make her realize she is below you on the social food chain.
Do that, and she is forever your booty call.
LikeLike
Cheating girlfriend Anon.
Get yourself together, keep your head high, what she did doesn’t make it right for you to be equally bastard.
Time will give you revenge.
The best thing you can do is to lay low, like a pile of dog shit hidden i high grass,, she will step in it.
LikeLike
“Flower Drum Song’
Firepower and Lilgirl, the hottest asian girl fo all time, Nancy Kwon is in that film. All asian girls should ascribe to her loveliness–and the character’s sexiness.
LikeLike
Big tits and small asses make the world go round.
LikeLike
@Mr.M
“firepower,
no no. you misinterpret what i meant…i shall elaborate.
lilgrl is certainly not an exception when it comes to asian women. plus she’s in a corset and garter/stockings, where else would your attention go”
oic – now i understand your meaning. A good comp was the Beijing Olympics with its cornucopia of authentic Chinese ass in all its vast diverstity. LILGIRL is obviously NOT Chinese – I assess she is Hmong or Fillipina with the requisite White Dad genetic insertion legacy. She does rock the stockings/leg angle even with the short legs. sorta nice
LikeLike
I thoroughly disagree with Roissy’s revenge prescription in email #3, or anyway the absurdly over the top nature of it considering she’s just a no cost to kick to the curb girlfriend. Ok, there is an emotional cost, but it’s not divorce theft and there are lots of other fish in the sea.
It’s not that I don’t believe in revenge against women that have wronged men in some cases. God knows women exact it, often without anyone saying boo against them for doing it in our current culture.
Here we have a girlfriend of indeterminate length or degree of professed commitment who may or may not have been giving off signals of waning interest, who cheats, very possibly on her way out the door. Unmarried women are allowed to go out the door without consequence in our culture from way before feminism. I.e. we don’t really know how deep or thin her lying was. Had she even clearly promised exclusivity or did he just assume it? No it’s clearly not ideal or excusable behavior even in this scenario, but revenge worthy? Or it could have been full up less than married but committed relationship cheating.
First I agree with all who say that fucking hotter and younger girls is the primary answer, most importantly to get the the guy who’s been cheated on back on his feet, and to leave her with doubts at least and maybe exacerbated regrets if she had no intention of breaking things off but is simply a slut. Her hotter good friend or her hotter sister she’s always been jealous of are ideal, though any hot girl especially if she sees her day to day is great.
Second Roissy’s recommended revenge is ridiculous over the top, and embarrassingly maniacal for mere not living together girlfriend cheating. Given the “crime” it does smell of deeply and uncontrollably hurt, and beta. She’s replaceable without coin or too much life re-arranging.
Run this test boys and girls. Imagine a friend of the cheater girlfriend found out all or most of Roissy’s elaborate and in parts petty (calling bff’s fat in passing) and way off base (trying to get her into trouble or fired at work) revenge moves. How would Roissy look then when she spreads the word, with some proofs? Hell imagine even half or a third of it was found out.
Now, there’s worse. A good part of what Roissy suggests isn’t even that damning. What’s so damning about a sex tape the bf made of his gf having sex with him, even anal sex? A bit embarrassing when seen by some, rep enhancing among others, but hey, he WAS her boyfriend. The job destroying stuff using false statements is flat out illegal, and more than a little bit, though as suggested hard to trace. Enough.
Here’s the revenge that’s not wholly disproportionate but will cut her deeply if he’s got evidence. Put out the goods or detailed info that shows she’s far sluttier than she presents. That really will be hurtful unless she’s a proud slut (and even then probably) ’cause girls really do live on their reps, as Roissy said. Yeah if he knows an ex or two of hers, they can pool info.
Still, I wouldn’t do even that unless her cheating were really nasty (my best or very good friend, my direct work subordinate or everyday close work colleague, etc.) or her attitude was completely unapologetic and nasty – or she started the nasty rumor thing against me first.
LikeLike
@lilgrl – hot forever? No. If you’re Korean, you’ll be a horrid old ajima by your mid-to-late-thirties. Korean girls usually do not have legs as thick as yours, but that could be due to a U.S. diet.
@drooler – not flirting, not hoping for sex. I find it enlivens and enriches the threads here to have more female voices, as this is an overwhelmingly male readership. Even when they’re wrong, as happens with us all from time to time. I suspect others agree.
@all – What’s the big deal with contrarian? other than dopily posting the same useless post three times in a row, he’s basically putting up his opinion on the theme of the day, and disagreeing with various comments, same as everyone else here. there’s obviously a history I don’t know about.
LikeLike
@ lurker
“You break my heart”
It happens. SUCK IT UP. I’m kidding. Well, not really. I mean, it does happen.
“the attention your bf isn’t capable of providing”
You may take that up with my boyfriend.
“all those photos”
There are like two, right?
@ biktopia
“Get yourself together, keep your head high, what she did doesn’t make it right for you to be equally bastard.”
I agree. But not with the grammatical wrongity.
@ anyone morbidly curious about my race/ethnicity/identity
I am a Tokyo-born Vietnamese-French-Thai-etc. My parents are both white — dad’s half-Swedish. I’m also 5’7″. Questions?
@ dougjnn
What you said.
LikeLike
The G Man–
Not true. It depends on the relationship first, the woman second, and the seducer third, in that order. It flat out firebreaks at some women, before they’ve delivered notice of intent to walk.
However, it’s become a lot more true than the great majority of men believe or want to believe.
There used to be a whole lot more fire breaking at the woman prior to walking papers, even a couple of decades ago I think.
LikeLike
How hard could it have been to dominate a Chinese Communist Party full of fawning, obsequious Orientals and eunuchs?
Hard enough that he had to kill 76 million people to do it.
I thoroughly disagree with Roissy’s revenge prescription in email #3, or anyway the absurdly over the top nature of it considering she’s just a no cost to kick to the curb girlfriend.
The guy asked for an over the top revenge! He did not ask Roissy to prescribe some sort of “appropriate” level of revenge, he asked how to “crush her ego to the point where she will regret this action forever.” Roissy merely provided what the guy asked for.
LikeLike
Don’t Bother:
From who? Yeah, right… He’ll look like a loser. A sore loser. Someone who yelps when he gets his leash yanked.
As opposed to looking like the beat-down mongrel that just meekly lowers his head when he gets his leash yanked?
LikeLike
firepower,
true. i didn’t think about the beijing olympics in that sense but interesting observation.
and you’re right, she’s probably not chinese…i just default to that when i really don’t a fuck, heh…since on average, i’d be correct anyway.
i dunno, something about a girl parading around the interweb with saucy pics of herself that just screams “i couldnt validate myself enough from the real world, i’ll have all these anonymous people do it”. then again, if a girl doesn’t provide pictures its probably because she’s a fatty.
then again, girls don’t know how to use a computer anyway.
LikeLike
Ya, that’s my recollection also, but I have to wonder how much of goodness of the good old days was due to my being naive.
LikeLike
“Wrongity” ?? Jeez, at least English is your native language. Or at least it seems to be.
bad call on the Korean thing. The ancestry explains the butt and legs. Your point of view, that of a pretty Asian girl, is likely to be of interest to many of us who show up here a lot.
Doug – agree w/ you as usual – I think we said the same thing in different ways.
LikeLike
Maurice, when you’ve been around here long enough, you realize Tokyo always takes ludicrious, unthought-out positions, and refuses to admit any facts or arguments in his opponent’s favor. He is not merely disagreeing, he is a small child with a tantrum. DA he is not.
Lil girl:
“It happens. SUCK IT UP. ”
–where exactly on your body did you want me to put my lips? 🙂
“You may take that up with my boyfriend.”
—your boyfriend clearly isn’t getting the job done in certain areas…
“There are like two, right?”
—but no nude. come now, girlie, do what you secretly want to do.
LikeLike
@ maurice
I can’t decide if you think I think “wrongity” is actually a word, so I’ll just give you the benefit of the doubt.
@ Mr.M
“since on average, i’d be correct anyway. ”
Heh. Touche.
LikeLike
Tarl
I’ll remember who to call the next time I’m in the market for small arms. May I know your number?
LikeLike
@ lurker
“where exactly on your body did you want me to put my lips?”
Nice. Of course, this prompts the question…what do I want you to suck up? Hahahahaha…no, I have no idea what I meant by that, either.
LikeLike
“As opposed to looking like the beat-down mongrel that just meekly lowers his head when he gets his leash yanked?”
Yes, yes that’s what I meant…Go back up the thread and read my comments from earlier… Sweet Jesus, talk about missing the point.
LikeLike
Lil –
I am a Tokyo-born Vietnamese-French-Thai-etc. My parents are both white — dad’s half-Swedish. I’m also 5′7″. Questions?
i’ll bite. break down the %’s of all your ethnicities. or better yet, your parents (im assuming you mean both your parents are part-white).
LikeLike
English is my third language so i do suffer on sites like these.
Appreciate those that can see beyond my spelling mistakes.
LikeLike
That is the argument style many people choose. To deliberately miss the point. As if discussion was akin to boxing – avoiding blows and landing blows.
LikeLike
LILGRL–
<3. Such discernment!!
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
Nah, I’m adopted. But that’s semi-important, as it means that I don’t hold any traditional Asian cultural views (though I did grow up — that’s 18 years — in THE TKY). %-wise, I’m 3/4 Viet, 1/8 French, 1/16 Thai, 1/16 SURPRISE PARTY.
Yep.
LikeLike
Nice combo, little girl. Now if you were only 4″11 and with an appearance of an ambiguous age.
LikeLike
Lilgrl, competing with my dear love Bhetti:
“Nice.”
—my wit is not the only thing you’ll appreciate about me; and like my wit, it grows larger with time spent with me.
“what do I want you to suck up?”
—or on….
“Hahahahaha…no, I have no idea what I meant by that, either.”
—I do, but we won’t tell anyone. 😉
LikeLike
Revenge is sweet Roissy
I almost purchased a bill board with my ex’s DUI mug shot that was on the same street as her job where she and her parents both work, the only problem is that the LAPD won’t release mugshots as “public information”. I keep the idea ready just in case, everyone loves their best moments broadcast to their family and friends.
LikeLike
and @ biktopia
All good, I was just teasing. You made a good point.
LikeLike
…because that’s what I am, a tease. Ohhhhh, and we’ve come full circle!
LikeLike
LILGRL
It’s fun to see you throwing off your (natural enough) training wheel caution, and hitting your stride around here. You go girl!
(I know you didn’t know about Biktopia’s not being a native speaker or strong second language speaker either.)
Personally I prefer your pose in the further down the page pic. Channeling Betty Paige much?
Biktopia: no offense, obviously.
LikeLike
Lil –
Hm. I guess at this point my general view that all hapa girls are batshit crazy will come into play; due to the tugging of personal identity issues on top of all the typical female psyche. Then throw in the fact you’re growing up in “THE TKY” yet raised by white parents…
however, all those aspects of your upbringing are def not the norm (interesting), if anything else.
LikeLike
LILGRL–
Since you grew up in Tokyo and loved it you were obviously treated very well by classmates there.
I had the impression that most Japanese are pretty xenophobic/racist re: other Asians. You were too pretty or unusual for that to hit, or I’ve heard wrong, or not re: Vietnamese or…?
So you grew up speaking English and Vietnamese? Did you go to a Japanese, or an international school?
LikeLike
@mr. M
I get a prize for correctly predicting (way before her admission) LILGRL is Hmong with a white daddy.
I am truly amazing.
Japanese girls are my only fave
next
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
“I guess at this point my general view that all hapa girls are batshit crazy will come into play; due to the tugging of personal identity issues on top of all the typical female psyche.”
Ah…but I’m guessing you’ve never dealt with third-culture kid hapas? Yeah. Actually, I’d bet a lot of the people on this board would enjoy girls raised in the third-culture…situation (i.e. raised in a culture not their own, and thus identifying with both the parents’ original culture, the second culture, and the “third culture” created by the lack of being able to fully identify with one culture — note: this is not the same as “hapa,” as many hapa kids are raised in one of their parents’ original cultures).
I say this because the third culture sphere promotes very conservative family values. In other words, you get a girl whose American enough to not be a mail-order bride, yet not so American as to be a fat, psychotic feminist. Hey hey! Everybody wins.
Anyway, I guess I might as well be a white girl. In a third culture world. Chillaxin’.
@ Firepower
Almost, but my dad isn’t related to me. Though he is white. Yes. Cookie for you.
LikeLike
Crush her ego? For your ego, hot chicks. For her regret, hot chicks.
For her ego, the comely chick she knows well, the one she made comments about regularly. Publicise as hotter and better in every way, make sure friends agree publicly. Her ego, wiped.
Your social value and self-respect? Possibly wiped depending on how much you actually liked ‘comely chick’ and what you did with her.
That’s the thing about revenge…
I knew a guy who did this. They’d agreed on staying ‘friends’ and they did. He messed with her: told her he still had feelings/loved her, then went on tirades insulting everything about her and artfully drawing out her guilt, told her how he’d have to sleep with someone else to get over her –which he did– then told her all about how she’d messed him up so bad he was hurting other women and his friends, flirted with her and got naked pics intimidating they’d be back together, then slept with a fat chick and explained the attraction by how he told her how similar they were and perhaps drunkneness, then got her to do him sexual favours, then slept with fat chick a day or so after again. Crying, guilt-induced self-hate, insecurity about body/attractiveness and self-harm for months.
I was tired of cleaning up after the blood. Ironically what ended it was a text from me saying he’d degenerated into evil; wasn’t he going to stop until she killed herself? Wasn’t he satisfied? Didn’t he care everyone else he was hurting besides her?
Funny thing about it at all was that even though he called it cheating and had her convinced, it wasn’t, she left him instantly for someone else. He also happily participated in cheating with her on the new guy she was with. She owned up to that too, and didn’t it mess the new thing up too.
LikeLike
oooh LILGRL refers to doug1 as dougjnn … been lurking long? this could get interesting. Hope you don’t mind exposing the fukkery as these fellas, lead by Roissy, fawn and attempt to run e-game. lmao. Love this alias. good work.
LikeLike
@ doug1
I went to a private international school. My parents were both PE teachers there. So, needless to say, I’m somewhat athletic. THAT, by the way, is why I have thick legs — I work out…all…the…time.
Yes, Japanese can be pretty exclusive, but Tokyo’s a pretty big city, or, so I’ve heard, haha.
I speak English as a first language, some Japanese, pretty decent Italian, some Greek, a bit of Catalan, I can understand Portuguese, and I used to be okay with Tagalog. No Vietnamese. Heck, the first time I even had Vietnamese food was about three months ago.
LikeLike
oooh LILGRL refers to doug1 as dougjnn … been lurking long? this could get interesting. Hope you don’t mind exposing the fukkery as these fellas, lead by Roissy, fawn and attempt to run e-game. lmao. Love this alias. good work.
Whatever, tokyo.
LikeLike
“How hard could it have been to dominate a Chinese Communist Party full of fawning, obsequious Orientals and eunuchs?”
See The Green Gang.
– MPM
LikeLike
The idea of following a fetish is fun, but I have to admit that going after tried and true methods of satisfaction is similar to eating Thai food every day. Satisfying and nourishing, but limited.
I once seduced my Thai tutor, simply because that’s my job – it’s what I do. She happened to be much taller than me. I called her my beanpole girl. I could lay my head on her breasts while inside her. She was a load of fun.
Neoteny can also be a load of fun, especially if it is ambiguous – perfectly proportioned fertility in a package that suggests far too much youth. Spicy.
LikeLike
Lil-
hm. I’m not fully grasping your “third-culture”…
1st = parents (white/viet disparity here)
2nd = japanese
3rd = lack of identifying with either
Is that the gist?
yet not so American as to be a fat, psychotic feminist.
i’ve taken the stance of feminist until proven otherwise.
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
1st = Parents (white/American)
2nd = Japan
3rd = Other third-culture/expat families
As for the feminist thing, in theory you could take that up with my boyfriend as well. But sure, fair enough. I gotta get me some street cred.
LikeLike
three things about Chairman mao.
– he killed 76 mn after he he had already become the ruler of China.
– eunuchs are far from easy to control. Those who a know a little bit about history know that it was straight men that usually let eunuchs rule the show, but not the harem
– the mandarins Mao had to kill were not exactly eunuchs. They were closer to Michael Corleone than to any SWPL herb
LikeLike
Enuf – wrong 🙂
now shush, this is getting good
LikeLike
every woman that comes here and doesn’t make obvious she is fat/ugly/married becomes instantly the focus of male attention in the blog
LikeLike
I predict that I’ll never be, in any moment of my life, less than a 1000 km away from LILGRL.
LikeLike
Every woman who is socially engaging who isn’t obviously fat or ugly or married becomes instantly the focus of male attention.
LikeLike
Maurice,
I wrote the second letter. I had her in my room two nights in a row, both nights of the overnight ferry. And I did the venue change a couple times. I built good rapport with her, talking about her family and mine, sitting on the side of the boat among other things*. The only result was a more passionate, lengthier kiss. She was Danish, and lived with her boyfriend of two and a half years.
The aim is to provide such a rush of emotions that her boyfriend drops from view. Whether one, and I in particular, could have provided that through just talking, I can’t say.
Once I’ve kissed a girl, my will to converse dissipates.
*Talking about family is the strongest, most consistent rapport builder I’ve found, but no PUAs mention that – why? Does anyone else have any surefire rapport builders?
I’m much more conservative and sophisticated than most girls. Building rapport on most subjects is futile. Though being openly chauvinist helps in the attraction stage.
LikeLike
anyway, LILGRL is officially diverse
LikeLike
LILGRL–
Yeah I didn’t mean to type Viet. I was thinking Japanese. My fingers were in stealth rebellion or something. Figured you wouldn’t know Viet, considering. But all those others! Traveled lots? Or was it classmates in that international school? Was it primarily American in students and ethos, with big other smatterings, or a real hodgepodge?
It’s hard for me to imagine what the junior high and high school social culture would be like in such as place. Lots of sex? Very little? The Americans and Dutch were such sluts but the Greeks, Catalans and Portuguese not so much? What? Actually, I’m fascinated.
Were there an Japanese students sent there by their parents for the international exposure or English or something?
LikeLike
xsplat,
“Every woman who is socially engaging who isn’t obviously fat or ugly or married becomes instantly the focus of male attention.”
True, unless there is a hotter one nearby.
Or two fly Estonian girls kissing each other and motioning you to come over.
– MPM
LikeLike
lurker: 1/8th french is (7/8thly) forgivable. Grudgingly, I grant you gracious permission to resume your courtship.
LILGRL: Tagolog, too? You don’t have Filipino in you from what I’m read. That’s a lot of variety with languages. Learned it off friends (not school, I don’t think?)…?
LikeLike
Lil –
I see. the 3rd isn’t so much of identifying (or even wanting to) with your ethnic culture, but more of a barrier to 1 and 2. then no, i have not encountered many hapa girls of this variety.
i will say that i am not too far from your path, albeit with not as much international flair thrown into the mix…so OBVIOUSLY you are a cool cat.
LikeLike
@lilgrl
me no want cookie from you – unless you bake. I also bet you can’t cook water.
@mr. m
I agree with you on your “hapa hierarchy.” As on Roosh’s blog, where he compares foreign girls favorably to our spoiled American Bitches.
Exotic types like Asians and Latinas can APPEAR enticing to us males based on the hard work of their AUTHENTIC foreign sisters who actually cook, clean and gleefully drain our balls in bed without the procrastinating SITC banter. Once had a “batshit crazy” hapa gf who was hot as hell. And, get this: was a Psychologist. For a school.
It was oh so velly good that her mom is Chinese and her dad a drunken hillbilly military macho man who stoked her drama bank with a lifetime of Freudian angst. I was the perfect handsome cad to pull her hair, slap her ass and give her multiples.
LikeLike
Basil
Ok, so you’ve agreed that it is not important to you if a woman agrees with your views. You want to bang her, regardless. A woman is not into your mind, but you want into her pants.
So? The problem is? The problem is you talk to much.
As an example. A first date. Watching sexually charged movies in my small apartment, some teasy kisses and groping, and then… ? I pulled her pants off.
She freaked and protested and screamed.
And thirty minutes of “no, really, I’m not going to actually stick my dick inside you, I’m just playing with your clit”. Riiiggggght.
And after that she never left my apartment. I try and try and try to kick her out, but I can’t. I had to leave the city. Which is fine – as she is now family and home base – boring, but stable, and finally a net cash flow positive. Well, and she loves me.
The focus and point being: shut up and make your move, and ignore her mouth if it is not on your dick.
LikeLike
@lilgrl
me no want cookie from you – unless you bake. I also bet you can’t cook water.
@mr. m
I agree with you on your “hapa hierarchy.” As on Roosh’s blog, where he compares foreign girls favorably to our spoiled American Bitches.
Exotic types like Asians and Latinas can APPEAR enticing to us males based on the hard work of their AUTHENTIC foreign sisters who actually cook, clean and gleefully drain our balls in bed without the procrastinating SITC banter. Once had a “batshit crazy” hapa gf who was hot as hell. And, get this: was a Psychologist. For a school.
It was oh so velly good that her mom is Chinese and her dad a drunken hillbilly military macho man who stoked her drama bank with a lifetime of Freudian angst. I was the perfect handsome cad to pull her hair, slap her ass and give her multiples.
I’m unsure it’s ALPHA to allow your gf to put up cheescake pics on the interwebz. My theory is only if I take a majority of profit or had her doing webcam “shows”
LikeLike
Vengeance…
I used to believe in taking the “high road”, but then I learned that’s just a high horse. The gangster dad’s bit in Dogville was very moving for me, and punctuated a shift in my mentality that has served me well ever since.
Exploitive people…the kind of people who wrong others because they believe they’re entitled to, bank on their suckers’ kindness. You think you’re being kind to them, but they just view you as being someone they can more easily fuck over with impunity.
Sometimes, even if you do understand why they did what they did, and that they are weak, you must punish them because it’s just the natural thing to do. To do otherwise, in some cases would be to believe that you are smarter than God or nature. You are not.
When I can get away with it without making things worse for myself, I let the hammer fall.
Sometimes the worst thing I can do to them is disappear from their lives. They no longer receive any benefits from my existence. This includes any good word I could have put in for them somewhere. I don’t know them and I never knew them (which is technically true if they betrayed me).
At other times, the battle of egos is on and well, I play to win.
Then there are times when something I could have said would have kept them from harm…
…but I don’t speak to save them because I wouldn’t piss on them to save their lives if they were on fire.
…and then there are the times to give that one last kiss, and then launch them abruptly out into the better that they thought they could get.
LikeLike
@ doug1
Ah, ok. Yeah, Vietnamese would be weird. I’ve traveled a lil bit. Lived in Florence for a year, too. Greek and Catalan were spur-of-the-moment situations in which I was thrust into Athens, and Barcelona, respectively, with no prior knowledge of either language. As for Portuguese, my roommate’s from Sao Paulo.
My school was about 60% American kids (though expats, who’d lived in any number of countries that were not America), 20% rich Japanese (whose parents wanted them to be exposed to an American curriculum), and 20% OTHER.
Eh, sex, drugs, & alcohol came at a young age, but there wasn’t as much of it as you might expect in an untamed, big-city environment. It’s a lot easier to get into “trouble” if you’re in the middle of nowhere with a car, anyway. Sure, I was clubbing at 11, but I didn’t get into a lot of trouble.
@ Bhetti
Charity work in the Philippines.
@ Mr.M
Yeah, it’s a good and a bad thing. On the one hand, I don’t fit into any group, really, except with other TCK’s. On the other, I’m extremely adaptable and diplomatic. Not a bad way to live.
@ Firepower
I bake, a lot. An inordinate amount, considering I’m not very big on sugar. Er, at all. Thus, I foist my culinary creations off onto friends, family, and random Roissy commenters.
LikeLike
FAZ might drop to $5 overnight. I decided that this would be my target buy price about five weeks ago. It’s time to start thinking hard about getting back some of that redistributed wealth.
Consider this my contribution to your happiness maximization.
LikeLike
Anon –
First of all… love the “velly”. I agree though, the authentic foreign girls, or even 2nd generation foreigners (that is, their parents were born outside the US, children within) still make for great people. And by great, i mean, not psychotic bitches.
I do wonder how long it takes for a foreign-influenced girl to become westernized, though.
LikeLike
okay, apparently my last post was @firep
and lil, are there that many TCKs that TCK is an commonly used acronym? or are you just saying TCK to sound ultra-hip?
LikeLike
The G
I’m in jakarta now. I have opportunity to take home my personal fetishiized brand of 10 every night, for the cost of cheap drugs and taxi fare. I can afford it.
I prefer the girl in my bed. She is addicted to my cock, and comes roughly 70 percent of the time I thrust. And I gave her her first vaginal orgasm. In the morning, I tell her what food to cook, rather than give her taxi fare.
Call me old school, but a girl who comes when imagining your face or fingering your nasty is more satisfying than a girl who is jonesin for a new fix.
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
Yes.
And Yes.
LikeLike
xsplat –
She is addicted to my cock, and comes roughly 70 percent of the time I thrust.
haha. ima use that later.
lil – your parents, being white/american in tokyo, how much did they try to instill western beliefs in you? i would imagine not the entire kitten caboodle, since they left america to begin with.
AND, a TCK in a club at 11 while in THE TKY? whew. i dunno, i’m gonna throw it out that you are either:
1) extremely balanced, or
2) about ready to godzilla THE TKY (as you can see, i like this reference)
LikeLike
Bhetti —
God what drama!!
Although at first he seemed very beta given his obsession and inability to let go, as your story went on I had to be impressed with his rather evilly used manipulative skills in sucking her back into his orbit and making her dance on his strings. So twisted though not just for her but for him too. As your story went on I was impressed at his shear emotional intelligence and talent. The boy had mad skillz. Evilly applied. He needs to apply those skills to someone who might want him while she’s still whole and even growing, not someone who doesn’t but just can’t break break free as he pulls peg after peg of her self image and self esteem away, without replacing them with anything positive. Ugggg.
I have a hard time imagining what he pulled the way he pulled it working in urban or suburban America, certainly coastal America, today or even when I was in school, back in the mists of time, though.
It’s not that that degree of manipulation couldn’t work, it definitely could and does. Just not guilt over those things to that degree, for example:
I can see him getting her to buy his message that she cheated when she didn’t in American circles I’ve been in or am familiar with, and that his revenge screwing when he was still trying to pull her back didn’t matter, because it was all due to her non cheat. (Well he might get away with the revenge screwing here with alpha skill swimming upstream because she’d officially left him.) Yeah some young girls might buy it before her girlfriends clued her in, but they would.
Was her group of girlfriends pretty much all Arab Muslim or Muslim anyway? That might explain the different standards for whats female shameful and guilt worthy, or anyway a great deal of confusion when young about it. Or knowing as little as I do about that subculture within Britain, it seems plausible to me.
Fascinating story though. Heavy power exchange, evil version.
Good intervention by the way girlfriend.
LikeLike
Roissy you’re a complete idiot. The only right thing to do to get back at someone is nothing–or do what I did, send emails and block their email address. If they want to read the venting of your crap, it’s their choice, not yours. Doing the pointed things you mention will come back to get you 10 fold. It will be a lot worse than anything she will suffer….YOU WISH! LOL
LikeLike
xsplat —
LoL. You’re in fine form today too.
LikeLike
xsplat,
“In the morning, I tell her what food to cook, rather than give her taxi fare.”
Great style. I like that.
Especially if she can blow doors off while cooking.
With American girls its better to opt for the cab fare over whatever slop they will come up with in the kitchen.
– MPM
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
Well, my mother’s from West Virginia and my father’s from Detroit…they’re both kinda religious, so…yeah. I mean, I’m don’t know that they consciously tried to instill/not instill a set (East/West) of values in me, just did the best they could with what they had. Like I said though, being in a culture that you don’t identify with kind of forces the instillation of hardcore family values. I do know one statistic is something like 95% of marriages between TCKs and others (TCKs or not) last.
I’m not ready to “godzilla THE TKY” (nice), if that’s what you’re wondering. Like I said, I’m chillaxin’. In Manhattan.
P.S. “THE TKY” is awesome, is it not?!
LikeLike
Use what? I was being descriptive. Be descriptive yourself if you want to use my idea. My idea is to be descriptive.
LikeLike
I have the notion that habits are habit forming, and so, sex is best treated as a set of habits you have control over forming.
So I never pay.
LikeLike
LILGRL–
But tons of people thought you did.
Yeah I know you. Or the clubbing at 13-14 version anyway (who looks 2-4 years older dress at night).
You probably weren’t nearly as dangerous in the TKY as here, though even here …
But 11?? Ok, I’ll say wow. How tall at 11?
LikeLike
@ dougjnn
5’5″/5’6″? Don’t worry, I had a childhood, too.
LikeLike
Eh eh eh!! I’m a virgin but then, I think mail number one comes from a man who’s more beta than I am. Cool…
LikeLike
Dang…at 11, I still had to be home before the street lights came on.
LikeLike
* Forgot to mention:
I kind of feel the same of mail number one. To Roissy and you all, people who have showed me the game and a little of true female psychology.
LikeLike
LILGRL
No, I understand.
I wasn’t imaging you were going full rut city at 11.
I was impressed you were self possessed enough to do that at that age. Or are you kinda cheating about the nature of the club and /or it was a kiddie nite?
So what of the parental units during these clubbing jaunts?
LikeLike
LILGRL
you know you’re just completely blowing my cover.
LikeLike
@ lilgrl
hapas with big asses, vast lingerie collections published publicly – who can cook – are close to the pinnacle. alas, you’re probably lying about your skillz
You’re prolly not from Detroit either – more like Troy or Rochester Hills.
If you had but ONE dessert to bake/eat forever – would it be cake, cookies or pie. You’d have to bake it yourself
LikeLike
@ “doug1”
Nah, I wasn’t “cheating” — it’s just…THE TKY. Haha, no, but seriously: extremely safe city, excellent public transportation, and I was an angel in comparison with my delinquent older brother, so my parents weren’t worried. And, sadly (sadly?) they honestly didn’t have anything to worry about. I just like the atmosphere. Don’t worry, I wasn’t clubbing on the regular ’til I was about 15.
LikeLike
@ Firepower
I could be lying about my skillz, you shouldn’t trust me. I’m not from Detroit, my father is/was — though I do claim the sports teams as my own.
Yes, even the *sigh* Lions. (I’m a huge football fan.)
Hmm. I’d say…cookies, because cakes and pies are too sweet. I really like creme brulee (and yes, I can make it, got the kitchen blowtorch and everything). But…yeah. Cookies, because I like homemade cookies. I’m good with the basic snickerdoodle or ginger snap.
LikeLike
@Basil –
Danish, eh? awesome. I was definitely more intested in your story than the revenge one.
but xplat is right, like Roissy – just keep gently pushing, or push-pulling, until she yields. You seem to indicate that once you escalate to kissing you can’t keep your concentration on talking and game – so, learn to detach your libido from your will. Be a little colder and more calculating, while still keeping your eyes on the prize.
And I’m not sufre that family talk is the way to build game comfort or rapport – seems a little too close to the nesting impulse to be really seductive. You want to unleash the inner whore, not the inner mom.
@xsplat – Jakarta? Boo-ya! There was a time when I had a thing for Indonesian women – I guess I still do though I’m not around them much any more. I am very jealous. You are in tall clover my friend – enjoy, graze widely!
LikeLike
Nah, White British. Violently hedonistic atheist/Wiccan and hanged out with metalheads more and more. We had a very strange opposites friendship and it definitely wasn’t good for me. She’s the one who’s stayed with me and is the Centre of Drama. Another of my ‘social work’ projects if you will (along with me handing out free niqabs in the street: Try one! It’s so comfy in this weather! You’ll never have to bother dressing up in the morning again! Your guy will love it!).
He kept on manipulating her, she kept on falling for it. Their whole relationship, he charmingly won over her friends and family with ‘That crazy bitch. See how she treats me and everyone? She’s trouble. I have no choice but make sure my friends watching her every move closely’, effectively sealing her social isolation. To her: ‘Maybe I’ll break up with you, but, maybe not. I should, you’re unstable, everything about you needs changing and I’m tried of trying to help you. You know this girl, that ex-model who wanted me but really wasn’t girlfriend material… I’ll go have a drink with her’. I remember a day when we were having a schooltrip and she took out on me the jealous rage over him being in a ride with some girl. I saw what he was doing, gradually chipping away at her self-esteem; tried to make her aware of it but she’s so driven by lust that even when recognising it, she got pissed but rationalised. I resolved from the start that my loyalty would be to her, no matter what happened with her man, so I ended up effectively the only person who never implied ‘why did ya throw such a good thang away?’ but ‘Good riddens, the man loved torturing you and making it your fault’. I hated her males on principle. Still, heck, was she addicted to torture or what?
She thought I hated her men because I thought her judgement was crap. I explained recently that it was loyalty and she went ‘Oh, yeah, you were the only one who was on my side…’ I wasn’t a brilliant friend because I didn’t really like parts of her and it showed. But I really couldn’t stop taking care of her, when all her words of affection were worthless to me too in the end. There was very little I trusted about her and that was dashed to the rocks too. I don’t think being unable to harden myself against her was praiseworthy, but a weakness.
I think it applies to both genders to never be quite friendly with their pick of the week, month or year. It hurts the friendship a little perhaps, but you’ll be in the right position when they need or want someone.
LikeLike
“First off, if you’ve had a girlfriend for five years that you were banging then you are not a beta “by every standard”, unless she is fat or ugly. Truly incorrigible betas can’t even manage that. So don’t beat yourself up too much. You’re not losing “in the reproduction area of life” because there are millions of men who aren’t getting any pussy at all and have to satisfy themselves”
It’s true that I am some five years younger than the one who sent the email number one.
It’s also true that I have, since age 16, had a oneitis for “my” ten that I can’t and most probabily will never get involved with in something more than a mere friendship relation.
But it is also true that not so long ago (one, two years ago) I’d refuse anything that was under a nine – certainly everything that was under the better sevens…
Isn’t that pretty alpha? Or am I the worst kind of Beta and am doomed to be it for all the eternety?
I remember when I was 13 my best freind came to me one day and asked me: “Would you let that girl (a 4 or 5) suck your dick?” I answered: “No… she’s not that great… and probably she would over salivate like a bulldog…”
That’s when he said:
“I now therefore condemn you to a life of masturbation for etenrity”
Now, sometimes I think about it. Especially when I get out in the weekend (or close to it) and am aproached by the usual 7 or 6 (or better, they react positevely to my aproach, which only happened once. I also do not try that much) or that damned rare 8.
I don’t get nothing from the girls but one or two weeks thinkig about them. Untill I get out again and am in contact with another.
LikeLike
LILGRL
Extremely safe. Yeah.
The TKY always struck me as pretty emotionally and well sexually sterile. I’ve been there but it was a 48 hr one time business trip. No I don’t just get that from Lost in Translation. I get that from every modern day Japanese movie I’ve ever seen, and that’s a few. Well other than some Yakuza heavy flicks I guess.
I get that FAR more from current day or almost Japanese flicks than from the Kurosawa etc. classics which seem enormously different.
LikeLike
LILGRL–
Was his ethnicity similar to yours? Lots older? Big influence?
LikeLike
Oh, that’s good.
See, that’s the point of all this conversation – to stumble upon ideas that congeal our native understanding into something we can hand off and share, with words.
There comes a time when push-pulling is flirting. When seduction includes being coy. When our intention fills the room, and we can afford to not only insult, but rip into and tear apart our intended.
It’s simple maturation, which can be hastened, but never faked. Game is not about faking shit.
LikeLike
Virgin, question: are you rating women by what you find attractive + youth + not being psycho? or are you rating women based on what the television says a “10” is?
If it’s the latter, then you might want to talk a bit to your friend. He was trying to teach you something important.
Aside of all the personality being more important stuff that you don’t care about yet anyway because you haven’t been sufficiently burned, there’s beauty and then there’s beauty.
If you’re worried about what your pals think more than what your dick thinks, you might not be condemned to masturbation, but you’re going to be competing with hordes of other sheeple for the same few girls who can successfully conform to the current media standard. At your age, you can afford to cast your net alot wider, as well you should because it is not going to get any better except for a select few, and they won’t be the ones who are “hot” now.
The ones who keep their looks past 22ish or so, are the ones who are basically pretty, but not exactly trendy. An aesthetic 10 and a media 10 are like the difference between attar of roses and carpet fresh.
LikeLike
LILGRL
Kidding about hiding from people here, as if, but yeah doug1 or doug. There are reasons.
LikeLike
How do you imagine the life satisfaction of a promiscuous woman?
And I’ve heard stories of men losing life satisfaction from becoming unable to bond.
I’m cautiously adventurous, but not reckless. I limit some things, in order to feel them more.
LikeLike
Lil –
Okay, why did your east-coast parents decide to live in THE TKY? And is your brother biological (doubt it)? adopted?
I do know one statistic is something like 95% of marriages between TCKs and others (TCKs or not) last.
now there’s studies on TCKs? my lord. lemme guess, was this study performed in THE TKY? by other TCKs?
I’m chillaxin’. In Manhattan.
Shitty. I wonder how long it takes for you to forget your TCK and THE TKY upbringings and trade it in for western feminism. seen it happen (not exactly with regards to THE TKY), and it sucks.
P.S. “THE TKY” is awesome, is it not?!
I’m debating between this apparent TCK subculture and THE TKY.
LikeLike
I’ll remember who to call the next time I’m in the market for small arms. May I know your number?
No, but you can go to http://www.sturmgewehr.com/ or http://www.gunbroker.com/
Don’t forget to buy ammo and hi-cap magazines, since the communists will surely be coming for those, too!
LikeLike
Xsplat, what currently keeps me from promiscuity is a kind of superstitious fear of Murphy’s law.
…that as soon as I become able to not think of casual sex in the same terms as necrophilia, amass a collection of non committal male bitches and purple saguaros, and get used to the idea that this is the best I can aspire to…
I’ll meet the dinosaur of my dreams: a 45+ historian who really does appreciate a woman who (insert some perverse but enjoyable sex act during which I would somehow end up with old book binding glue dust in my butt crack) *and* cooks.
LikeLike
Bhetti–
Yes.
At least emotional torture but probably the whole magilla if introduced.
If she wasn’t taken in hand by a very dominant man who actually cared about her (which could work great for her if he wanted to build her up), or didn’t sincerely convert to some all consuming version of a religion, she’d very possibly end up a serious drug addict (thinking H) and or pimped out.
Well I haven’t met her, but it completely fits from what you’ve said.
A girl can be that manipulable and crazy with lust when she is, and not be in quite so much danger if she has a lot going for her, including some normally operable self discipline away from a dom alpha who can read her and wants to mess with her, but it doesn’t sound like she does.
Any idea what’s become of her?
Oh and yeah, a helping hand for a short while is one thing, but too much or long involvement is draining and maybe worse.
LikeLike
…who is not one of my ex’s best friends.
LikeLike
@ lilgrl
I KNEW you’d fail and pick cookies- the easiest way out. good Brulee is a passion of mine, actually caramel does it for me.
Snickerdoodles are “The Brownie” of the Cookie Empire and thus, do not count. Hell, I knew a ditzy actress who also “could make them.” but, I bet you make awesome S’Mores and whistle stanzas from The Mikado in the bath
oh, and I never trust girls who pose on a black pillow.
bad memories
LikeLike
doug: No news since attempted suicide a couple of months ago. I’m afraid to check.
She actively looked for doms after him. She told me all her escapades in graphic detail, enjoying the revulsion/walking out the room evoked. I really didn’t want to know about the rolling pin or the brush or the 5 Os in a night or…
I didn’t know if she was trying to put me off or making me jealous. The first occured, which wasn’t easy to pull, let me tell you. She balked at talking about the emotional content, somewhat like a really crude man.
LikeLike
doug: She was also with some guy who seemed beta to me, everywhere except for some social proof (older, ringleader of some a group) and in some bed antics.
Also looked French. Which I point out every time I see him. I was high on caffeine once (a red bull or two, and people think I’ve drunk alcohol) and I went ‘You know, I only subconsciously hate you.’
LikeLike
@ doug1
I can see what you’re saying — I’ve heard that from a lot of people. Especially in comparison to other Asian cities, Japan is pretty “emotionally sterile.” As for the “sexually sterile” part, well, that’s true as well, but it manifests itself in some pretty…odd fetishes. Anywho — the city is big and anonymous, in a way no other city that I’ve been in is. There are about 36 million people, making it the largest city (“metropolitan area,” not “city proper”) in the world — by about 13 million (or something). So yeah, couple that with the relative “quietness” of Japanese culture, and it is pretty…sterile. But still a huge city, and you know how that works.
Older brother: only 1 month older, Japanese
@ Mr.M
School teachers make salaries upward of $150k in private international schools.
Studies — yes, they exist. Yes, done by other TCKs. No, not in THE TKY.
Re: Manhattan. Whoa, there, let’s not hate. THE NYC is a good, small city, for a city girl like me. As far as my upbringing/etc., do you think me so prone to being led astray? Well, whatever, my point about TCK’d-ness was that if there’s anything it does do, it’s (and this might sound contradictory) instill a sense of self-awareness. Don’t you worry. I’m not one of those assimilative foreigners.
@ Firepower
Ah, do remember that you asked what dessert I’d like to bake and eat. Sorry, but I don’t like sweets. So a couple of cookies every few months are enough for me.
Re: Girls on black pillows — I told you not to trust me. It seems we are at an agreement.
LikeLike
bhetti, i’m fairly certain you didnt say earlier, but how would you rate both the man and woman in your story? 1-10
LikeLike
revenge is as sweet as love, and as natural. We would not possess the feeling if it did not most times work to our benefit.
These words are just and true.
LikeLike
doug: just to make that clear since they’re very obtuse about it, I think they’re still ‘just friends but why is he at yours every day?’. He makes a point not to properly sleep with her because of wierd issues, but doms.
She recently made up with evil ex and slept with him while beta ‘you can sleep with other people since I won’t’ wasn’t available. She’s a hopeless case.
LikeLike
“””””doug1
LILGRL
Kidding about hiding from people here, as if, but yeah doug1 or doug. There are reasons.””””””””””””
Doug won
Yea it is cute 🙂
“””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””xsplat
enjoy, graze widely!
How do you imagine the life satisfaction of a promiscuous woman?
And I’ve heard stories of men losing life satisfaction from becoming unable to bond.
I’m cautiously adventurous, but not reckless. I limit some things, in order to feel them more.””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Yea my buddy asked me why I don’t fuck around over here. I said I choose not to. He is like yea I get that.
I want to unleash all 8 months of pent up sexual frustration on my woman when I get home. She deserves it. He He He
On the revenge thing I got back at my former buddy for bringing my ten over when I had suckerbites all up on my neck by having my girlfriend call up his girlfriends house and ask for him. They broke up. He did cheat on her she just never knew.
I did draw a line at fucking her when his former girlfriend was begging for it but maybe that was revenge too.
LikeLike
I apologize if someone else has already posted this but..
BWAHAHAHAHA
“A shotgun blast shattered Connie Culp’s face in September 2004, smashing her nose, cheek and jaw. It robbed her of the ability to see, smell, even to smile
The shot came from the gun of Thomas Culp, her husband. His failed attempt at a murder-suicide sent him to prison for seven years — and left his wife struggling to survive..
She said that she has forgiven her husband — and at his 2005 hearing, she said that she would possibly take him back after his seven-year prison sentence.
“I don’t regret any of that,” she said on her relationship with him. “I’ll always love him, he was my first love.””
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=7516788&page=1
Well, he’s, sadly, the best deal you can get now.
Unfortunately, his prison term for trying to murder you will make him more popular with the opposite sex, while faceless chicks aren’t too hot on the dating market at the moment.
LikeLike
Mr.M
Her: Don’t know about her face, usually called cute though. Huge chest, not much of a butt. 8, I think.
Him: Wanted by all females in vicinity, tall, glasses-wearing, full lips and a bit geeky looking with odd face/funny chin, doesn’t do anything particular to keep fit but doesn’t eat much either, so stayed thin. He’s loud and cocky funny, with bits of vulnerability well placed here and there. Charmer and pulls everyone into his world/humour. I felt the charisma too. Mostly, I dealt with it by pulling out his arm hairs with my nails (haha, she started doing it too, he was mildly annoyed at me for this). So… you decide the rating.
LikeLike
sara I
Nice to see you back.
So how was epiphany?
LikeLike
Not much of one by my standards, sorry. Meant by size rather than whether they liked it or not. It seemed popular as a butt.
Haha, God I hated her TMI. Now it’s coming in vaguely useful. At least.
LikeLike
Bhetti
Oh that’s all. But of course.
Is that what she called them? Was she that conscious about it?
She probably didn’t know herself, not in those terms. She was probably acting more instinctually, probing for what might get an emotional rise out of you. She was looking for ways to emotionally manipulate you at least some by getting you to squirm or even get furious at her, which might get you acting dommish towards her. She’s mirroring games played on her if not very well and is flayling about with you. But what she’s doing is trying to get the emotional power dynamics at least a little rather than comfort from you much less rational discussion of her plans. Or at least that isn’t enough or satisfying for her.
Brilliant.
(Come to think of it, you don’t use much Brit speak.)
LikeLike
As we all know, David Alexander would probably just go for the revenge free route, and turn to his loyal trains and roads who would never do anything to him.
I’ll admit that when Wellesley Queen “dumped” me, I basically stalked her until I realized that I didn’t need her anymore. Yeah, I lost my Queen, but the time I wasted trying to pass by her house and town were a waste of time, money, and energy, and even if I didn’t make new friends to replace her, I had to make my own life valid without some Queen propping it up. At that point, a fragile Republic was born…
BTW, Whiskey, I’d avoid banging other women for the fear that she would become pregnant, and your life become complicated by child support to a woman who is the sister of your ex…
pulling their hair
For some of us in the beta community, we cannot perform such acts because it engages the beta moral reflex. In other words, a beta male’s moral thinking prevents him from pulling hair because it’s something that “bad evil rapists” do, and if he does do it, he ends up trapped in a moral dilemma where he pictures himself as the evil bad rapist, and it drives him mental misery and basic guilt.
As a useless fact, just recently, non-date was complaining about her boyfriend’s rough sex and hair pulling. She’s been somewhat upset with him for a few days, so I suspect she may have been trying to run a shit test which I failed on purpose…
LikeLike
wow the women are dominating the comments section now
LikeLike
Bhetti my love, it seems you and Lilgrl must fight over my affections. Therefore, there will be a 3-part contest between you two:
1. Naked mud wrestling–best out of 3. Illegally influencing the referee highly encouraged.
2. pussy-licking contest—winner gives most orgasms in an hour. final 10 minutes of sudden death in 69 position.
3. Dick sucking competition—and I am sole judge 😉 No cum dodging allowed, all swallows.
Meet high noon, my apartment, this Saturday. NYC.
LikeLike
by the way thats still fucked up that you would fuck another mans women roissy guy code man guy code
LikeLike
DA- what’s the backstory on the Wellesley Queen?
LikeLike
Lil –
School teachers make salaries upward of $150k in private international schools.
granted, but the cost of living is much higher in THE TKY… and to be so far from home. maybe there’s no specific answer, but it still is not a common move.
Studies — yes, they exist. Yes, done by other TCKs. No, not in THE TKY.
Okay, i actually did a little research, apparently there is such a thing as TCKs. they even have a nifty website; i guess you’re not pulling complete crap out of your ass…i guess.
btw, its THE TKY. yea, its like THAT.
first, THE NYC doesn’t quite cut it as THE TKY, for purposes as a city/living area as well as hip lingo. sorry. as to your proneness for being led astray into the grips of feminism and the like…
hm. i’m skeptical. since you so claim to love football, yet are a fan of THE LIONS. well shit, who knows what other debauchery and bottom dwelling you’re capable of.
LikeLike
heehee
oooh LILGRL refers to doug1 as dougjnn … been lurking long? this could get interesting. Hope you don’t mind exposing the fukkery as these fellas, lead by Roissy, fawn and attempt to run e-game. lmao. Love this alias. good work.
*passes popcorn & milkduds to heehee*
This is simply too interesting for me to add my 2 cents.
LikeLike
I hate to give contrarian another few seconds in the limelight, but, “he” is not only a useless troll but also a liar.
I present:
Actually, I got that from here.
Now go away and don’t come back.
LikeLike
Bhetti–
He might be impotent, maybe due to drugs. H will do that to you, and to many without they’re even being way far gone on it.
Not that doesn’t stop someone from playing dom if they were into that before. Especially since she sounds pretty easy to dom. Downright desperate for it and not so good at delaying gratification and going on a purposeful search, what? The drugs if that is what it is might make it unlikely to start, and will eventually end it.
It’s interesting to me that when you first started telling me the story about him and her, you didn’t use any descriptive labels. But then started to after I did. Why?
LikeLike
russell rodriguez
wow the women are dominating the comments section now
*grabs russell by the back of the head and looks deep into his eyes*
My dear son, in life we generally do. If when men think they are running something, it’s the women who are truly running the show. Poon is king
*kisses russell on the forehead and pushes him away*
😆
LikeLike
would also like to hear about DA’s queen bee.
LikeLike
DA:
* Is “the revenge-free route” a particular highway? That’d be cool.
Highway 420, maybe.
* FACT: Betas are more likely to be killed or injured in car accidents than are alphas.
About how he doesn’t do enough of it, right?
LikeLike
I think exacting revenge on a cheating girlfriend is really stupid. Dump her.
You’ve banged her. She’s looking for someone else. YOU ARE BETTER OFF WITHOUT HER. SHE HAS DONE YOU A GREAT FAVOR.
The best revenge is to live well. Just move on, enjoy life, and bang more women. Hey. Variety is the spice and all.
It would be so beta if you invest so much emotional capital in a woman that when she leaves you are angry and want revenge.
And, what quality woman would want you if you were revealed to be such a vengeful, petty person?
LikeLike
doug: Yeah, she found out fairly quickly she liked to be dominated, was frustrated if they didn’t go far enough, called her type ‘arrogant’ and lamented about how she couldn’t like the ‘nice guys like’ I supposedly did. She explicitly said how she gloried in emotion and actively despised rationality, including science.
I always wondered if all the implicit disapproval, ignoring her/making her do a lot of the maintaining contact work and being closed off myself worked into the dynamic somehow.
The guy really brings out my baiting impulse. He really had no clue how to react to that (awkward beta laugh when uncomfortable, yay!). I try to keep it under control but I love to provoke. It was an outrageous thing to say. Should you really be encouraging me?
I don’t really come out with that many Britishisms in my writing. Still, I’ve inevitably developed an accent in the last five years or so. I can include them lightly if you want me to 😉
LikeLike
And, what quality woman would want you if you were revealed to be such a vengeful, petty person?
as if women are not petty. vengeful. emotional. shit, they’d probably blow him if he rocked the sex-tape like a pornstar.
LikeLike
Ok, so which football team do you like?
—
G Manifesto
If you actually care about eating gourmet food, then you are gay.
LikeLike
lurker: I’m not competing against a supercharged daughter of scary PE teachers. That is the official excuse I’m going to use, rather than you know…
LikeLike
87
“If you actually care about eating gourmet food, then you are gay.”
Spoken by someone who has never eaten well.
And nobody mentioned “gourmet food”.
– MPM
LikeLike
doug: not into drugs (occasional weed maybe?), he’s just crazy beta With Issues That Deserve Capitals. Other factors which make a complicated story that is too convoluted to tell for me at the moment.
I don’t know if I started talking differently because of you. It would make sense, because I’m easily influenced by someone I value or respect.
LikeLike
It would make sense, because I’m easily influenced by someone I value or respect.
…
LikeLike
chic noir
poon is feminine so can only be queen mi amiga, its statements like that that remind me once again that males still run this shiznit although you still not as lame as the other female commenters mami
LikeLike
LILGRL–
LoL.
Yeah I’m pretty sure the vast majority of Americans think the NYC is still the largest city in the world. I actually thought more cities beat NY out in size than do, before I looked it up.
Although my little TKY chauvinist, NYC metro is still 4th, with there being a virtual three way tie for 2nd. Yeah you did send me to Wikipedia. Link. For shame. Wait. You’re not such a little Asian flower either, are you: 5’7″. Well I’m way taller. So there.
Though really, size, schmize. Up to a point. Paris is still way more important and cultured and influential and has more urban delights than Mexico City does, par example.
LikeLike
I’m more the “simple hearty food” type.
I’m also the type who doesn’t need custom suits, constant name-dropping, and outrageous spending to prove myself.
Your writing style, on the other hand, is superb.
LikeLike
Good food is a reason for living. If you don’t have taste with your food, why would you have it with your women?
You’ll bite and all you’ll taste the same thing without appreciating the texture, the temperature, the composition, the artistry of what it is you’re tasting. Does it taste like home, like somewhere exotic, like a good night’s out…
There’s just so much pleasure. In food.
LikeLike
Bhetti–
Oh for god sakes Bhetti you’re gonna make me kiss you. Your this close. No closer.
And we both know that would send you straight to hell, or anyway do something bad having to do with purity. That i do respect. Damn it.
LikeLike
Mr. M: Sorry, let me rephrase. Easily influenced by someone I see as a hot grandaddy figure.
LikeLike
doug: Did that fix things? I’m terrible! Sorry. I really should be getting back to doing some work.
LikeLike
Dick sucking competition—and I am sole judge 😉 No cum dodging allowed, all swallows.
That presumes both girls are good looking and don’t suck at giving head.
Is “the revenge-free route” a particular highway? That’d be cool.
Highway 420, maybe.
Roadgeek Note: ON 420 is pretty much the shortest 400-Series highway in Ontario, and it’s pretty much a half-assed connector to Niagara Falls.
Actually, as long as it’s a rural highway with two lanes in each direction and a wide median, I’m quite content. Otherwise, it’s busy urban highway at high speeds and lots of tailgating with dance music blasting in the Celica. 🙂
About how he doesn’t do enough of it, right?
No, she complained that the rough sex gives her yeast infections, and that the hair pulling hurts. Then his attempts to grab her from behind and hold her face created a slight scar on her cheek. In other words she didn’t seem fond about it, and she blamed his porn collection for his attempts to do so. He certainly doesn’t come across as a beta from her descriptions, so I’m presuming she’s a fluke. Hell, she once showed interest in me, so she’s definitely a fluke. 🙂
Wellesley Queen background story will be forthcoming.
LikeLike
Bhetti —
See yah.
I gotta get off too actually.
LikeLike
Never attempt to engage her logically by talking her into an affair. That will backfire. Always… ALWAYS… remain in the realm of feelings. Good feelings. Whimsical feelings. …HORNY feelings.
This is the key.
The problem is the dorks who want to learn and apply Game tend to be a bit Aspergy, to say the least.
They want to count, number, measure and over analyze things. They might not be very bright but they still try to be analytical and then try to convince the woman by sharing a reasonable analysis.
Bad, bad, bad.
Even a good analysis of the situation is by definition a bad move. Kill it and kill it again.
Cultivate and play with her EMOTIONS. Every word, every touch must be focused on heating up her emotions.
Don’t give her the vitamins and minerals of logic. Get her drunk on the fine wine of emotions.
LikeLike
87
When I said; “blow doors off while cooking”, “simple hearty food” would fall under that umbrella.
Haute cuisine, as much as I love it, is not the only food I love.
“I’m also the type who doesn’t need custom suits, constant name-dropping, and outrageous spending to prove myself.”
Neither do I to “prove” myself.
I do it because I like the best out of life, whether its custom suits, travel, hotels, nightclubs, booze, drugs, beaches or women.
Life is too short to be involved in mediocrity.
– MPM
LikeLike
@russell rodriguez,touche me son 😉
LikeLike
Further on food:
— Normal bowl of fruit:
It’s a bowl of fruit, some cherries, some pineapple, some of it’s a bit offish. It’s alright, you’d rather be having a hamburger or ice cream actually.
— Gormet bowl of fruit:
It is served to you perfectly chilled; it is placed atop dry ice and the smoke is gently rolling away from the bottom of the plate. Each piece has its own hues and colours, reds and yellows and purples, placed just so. A pleasure for your eyes. Only the prime sections of fruit are selected, with each one cut for you into perfect bite-sized chunks. You choose one piece from a specimen you can’t quite identify and place its just-so coldness in your mouth. The flavour hits your senses; it’s pineapple, but of a perfect gentle sweetness you’ve never tasted with any pineapple (usually harsh on the tongue or too sour) before. What a blissful moment.
doug: Am really gone now.
LikeLike
Haha, gourmet* too.
LikeLike
G Man — I do it because I like the best out of life, whether its custom suits, travel, hotels, nightclubs, booze, drugs, beaches or women.
I miss my Camel Lights, but enjoy the lungful of air. Damn either-or.
What do you smoke?
LikeLike
wow… that advice re revenge is really, really intense. if i had any shred of interest left in the guy, whiskey/the g’s approach would actually have more of an effect. it would absolutely kill me to see him with my friends or hear about the conquests after they happened. even worse (or better from the revenge perspective), it would likely ruin my friendships with the girls he gamed, as we generally don’t forgive or forget that kind of stuff.
actually, upon further reflection, i think this would also work even if i didn’t have any interest remaining… after breaking up with my last boyfriend i thought there was a possibility he might start seeing one of my good friends and it absolutely freaked me out, notwithstanding the fact that i had zero feelings left for the guy…
i also agree with the first reader’s email – while i’m sometimes shocked at first by what roissy writes here, i think this blog is extremely helpful for both the guys and the ladies who read it. the comments as well (except when they devolve into stupid race arguments).
LikeLike
Good.
You were starting to worry me.
With the exception of the last, these are only the setting for “the best out of life”.
Amidst all the “finer things”, make sure you don’t lose the ability to differentiate figure from ground.
—
Bhetti:
The constant stream of non-sequiturs that is female “logic” is entertaining.
Hey, if math nerds can figure out the right moves in chess and deductive proof, why not in seduction?
Eh.
LikeLike
Re: Revenge
Von Clausewitz famously wrote, “War is the continuation of policy by other means.” Imho, the real point he was making is this: Always keep focused on where your most important interests lie and taylor your actions in a way that helps you get there. Even if those actions involve frenzied blood-letting, raw emotion per se needs to be controlled because doing something just because it feels good, at the time, is not a coherent “policy.”
Von Clausewitz was depressed by the spector of the 30 years war in Germany where back and forth vengefulness wrecked a prosperous country even after many had lost sight of the issues in play at the beginning.
Pick your fights carefully. You will win more often that way.
LikeLike
DA- what’s the backstory on the Wellesley Queen?
Wellesley Queen and I met in a French class at a community college on Long Island in 2003. When I met her, I presumed she was a single mom with a kid since she reeked of certain prole look with her chubbiness, Scottish/Scots-Irish looks (small narrow eyes), and sweats. She started talking to me, and we started talking. It wasn’t until the end of the semester that I discovered that she was a 17 year old high school student (with 1280 SAT score) who wait listed her way into Wellesley. At first she wasn’t the Queen, but slowly the friendship took a life of it’s own, and somehow, mixed in with highs of being around her and the hugs, I developed a bit of a puppy love crush on her similar to what I had for the former Jewish Queen. Of course, I felt a little crushed when she told me that she had a crush on the tall Iranian kid in our class who went to Columbia, but at the time, I felt assured in our friendship. Plus, she introduced me to the diner that I currently use…
Our friendship lasted from Winter 2003 to Fall 2006, and ended with her saying basically saying that I’m a loser, and that she wanted to be with people who were going somewhere. She grew tired of my mundane stories of roadgeeking and the lies that I fed her to cover up my lack of progress in school. Apparently, lying about attending a four year school and having a lucrative internship with New Jersey Transit is not a long-term way of keeping female friends as a beta. Of course, like an idiot, I told her this during an online conversation that was fueled by nervousness where I revealed the entire story of how I almost crashed a car, barely avoided jail, and nearly beat up for simply having unprotected sex with thirty-something women in front of her home in the dark.
As I stated earlier, I did have a crush on her, but I could never really view her in a sexual method. It was also complicated that I eventually found the Mistress, and I had sex with her, and she just didn’t come across as prudish as she did. Admittedly, part of this was pre-porn, but it was a similar issue with the Jewish Queen that I didn’t view sexually at all, while I had fantasies of making out with some tomboyish, Ukranian girl that I probably would have kissed in the middle of our snowball fight (she was on the ground, I was on top over) if I had more balls, higher grades, and was white. Plus, it was exacerbated from the fact that I also met another girl at the time who was definitely more compatible, but she came across as an even bigger prude than Wellesley Queen, especially since she seemed sickened at my sex talk. Of course, none of this mattered since Wellesley Queen basically stated that I was a beta, and she wanted an alpha. I thought she would have been a good choice if she wanted a relationship because she grew up in a Caribbean area with middle class Caribbeans, and she knew how we Caribbeans were special. Hell, she had a few black boyfriends too, so I presumed that it could have worked out, and combined with her go-getter attitude, her rise to the top could have aided me in possibly getting to the top as well. So, my sycophantism at times was more or less a proxy for my own personal interests, which explained why I went crazy when she admitted to desires of being a stay at home mother.
In the long-run, I don’t think that any relationship, whether as a quasi-sycophantic friend and user or a sexless partner would have worked out. She was slowly showing signs of turning shrewish, and one could argue that she was turning into the mother that she learned to hate. The fun in our conversations online or in person were dying out, and while seeing her was great since she gave the best hugs ever (possibly even better than my own mom), it was slowly becoming mentally exhausting at times. I was no longer comfortable around her, especially since she was near graduation, and I was far from it, and she my greatest fear soon became true. She was better than me, she had friends who was better than me, and the purges from her prole past soon began. No more black boyfriends, no more fatness, and no more third rate losers from the prole world she was trying to escape.
LikeLike
PAWhat do you smoke?
Pall Mals
LikeLike
DA and she knew how we Caribbeans were special.
Do share?
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
“granted, but the cost of living is much higher in THE TKY… and to be so far from home. maybe there’s no specific answer, but it still is not a common move.”
Well, there are a variety of reasons, for both my parents. My father had a few connections to the job, my mother ended up there as the result of a job fair. Neither planned on staying for 35 years — but they met, got married, had three Asian babies, and lookie how that worked out…
Of course, one of the reasons that teachers might seek employment abroad is for the aforementioned salary hike.
“hm. i’m skeptical. since you so claim to love football, yet are a fan of THE LIONS. well shit, who knows what other debauchery and bottom dwelling you’re capable of.”
Whoa, there, sir, don’t you be talkin’ ’bout my Lions that way! Though I appreciate your capitalization there. That, at least, shows some good judgment.
@ doug1
I do love Paris.
Although my boyfriend will insist that French food is gay.
@ lurker
Re: The tournament of your love
Sorry, but I’m spoken for. And…I’m a good girl.
LikeLike
Bhetti, it’s more like this:
She is an exemplar of both classic, timeless beauty and wanton lust.
She’s dressed as requested, no, commanded, awaiting me in long black silk gloves, back-seam stockings, and stiletto heels that have never actually touched a floor, the seams of the first two are perfectly straight, since she’s a good girl.
Her outrageously sexy yet subtly sensual, blatantly slutty yet classy red lipstick is exquisitely applied to every contour of her lips, its scent mixing with that of the oils in her scalp and face to produce an irresistable cocktail of seduction.
Her hair cascades down her back in big, coruscating, sensual curls, carefully tamed yet paradoxically enhanced in its wildness. It is so perfect that I don’t even need to put her on a leash, at least not today.
When I approach her and grab her forcefully, by the hair with one hand and by the waist with the other, her breath reflexively shortens and intensifies into a rapturous rhythm, one of the many solos of our carnal concerto. She looks up at me, trusting, submissive, ecstatic, trepidatious, naughty, and I back down at her, dominant, controlling, knowing. I smile that smile that lets her know she’s been a bad girl. She’s always a bad girl, for reasons that are well beyond her control.
…
Etc.
—
Now tell me why I’m supposed to give a shit about food again?
LikeLike
Do share?
Her neighbourhood was populated by some first-wave Caribbean immigrants who purchased homes back when that area was aspirational for middle class blacks. So, she found native-born Caribbeans who clung to their Caribbean identity and hated being called African-Americans.
Plus, she knew that griot tastes good. 🙂
LikeLike
Joel takes the high road and says, “I think exacting revenge on a cheating girlfriend is really stupid.”
…but then you say, “Dump her.”
Isn’t that revenge? It’s not letting it slide.
“You’ve banged her. She’s looking for someone else. YOU ARE BETTER OFF WITHOUT HER. SHE HAS DONE YOU A GREAT FAVOR.”
Perhaps in a philosophical sense by reminding him how much people can suck, and perhaps inspiring him to hone his selection criteria.
However, the fact remains that she has wronged him. His ability to survive her offense does not negate the offense.
That’s like saying someone who stole your car did you a favor.
“The best revenge is to live well. Just move on, enjoy life, and bang more women. Hey. Variety is the spice and all.”
Actually the *best* revenge comes from nature, and the fact that exploitive people end up cannibalizing themselves eventually. The problem is that along the way, they screw up other people’s lives too.
A good vengeance serves as a deterrent to make them think twice about the next time they consider a similar course.
It makes it easier to move on when you know the bridge burns so high and brightly that every time they look back, they’ll wince from the heat.
“It would be so beta if you invest so much emotional capital in a woman that when she leaves you are angry and want revenge.”
No, what’s beta is suppressing your anger, and letting people step all over you.
Martyrs feed their ego through feeling magnanimous and morally superior to those who harm them. I would rather be perceived as morally bankrupt than actually be dishonorably deceptive and arrogant.
“And, what quality woman would want you if you were revealed to be such a vengeful, petty person?”
Quality women don’t believe in coddling cheating whores.
It’s also not petty to feel angry when someone harms you or exploits you. It’s human. Hell, it’s mammalian.
People who don’t feel hate also don’t feel love. You don’t love someone unless you would get a little crazy if anything came between you.
That doesn’t mean that each and every slight must be met with a dramatic vengeance. I’m just saying that using whatever gifts nature gave you against *any* offender is not unethical. In fact, it teaches them the right lesson instead of the wrong lesson.
It would be lying to them to teach them that it’s okay to mess with people, and that they’ll always come away from that unscathed. Anyone in the business of fucking with people should be aware that there are people in this world who play the game better than they do, and who won’t take their crap. Not everyone is going to lay down and take it.
Sometimes vengeance only requires a few words and good timing.
LikeLike
Lil –
I’m not sure whats worse, claiming THE LIONS as your own or… actually, nevermind, thats def rock bottom.
I’m curious, why would a “good girl” peruse this blog?
rest – whats with all this romancing of fruit and women… wtf.
LikeLike
Roissy, the first email expresses what most of us guys feel about this blog. I can honestly say that some of my views on women have changed drastically.
Mind you, I had already witnessed first hand on how women truly are, but like most guys i still felt clueless i didn’t see the “light.”
You explain women behavior in such an analytical way, that everyone can understand (except for some die hard betas.)
Keep this up.
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
I have always been a dedicated fan of THE LIONS. Real fans stick through the tough times as well as the good…it’s just that most teams have good times. We did…set…a record…for most…games…lost…in a season. Yep. Even the ’76 Tampa Bay Bucs lost fewer games than we did. Good times! Look at it this way: We might be the worst, but at least we’re the BEST of the worst. That’s, uh…something.
Hey, at least I’m loyal.
I think the question is…why wouldn’t a good girl peruse this blog?
Yeah, okay, I don’t know what I meant by that either. But, SRSLY, I appreciate game and the men who choose to apply it to their lives. It’s interesting. It makes for better bar conversation. It makes for !(weak/supplicating/beta) males. Aw, yeah!
LikeLike
Lil –
Thats…quite…endearing. well for your sake, i hope you followed THE PISTONS (i like this whole, THE thing) as they crushed the lakers (they dont deserve caps) in 2004.
interesting. true you might appreciate game, but wouldn’t it also make you hold that much more contempt for a guy who has 0 game? and is beta? lilgrlzilla incoming?????
LikeLike
>>…happiness is not granted from on high nor is it a wispy feeling that randomly alights on your mood. Happiness is constructed. It is the direct result of actions taken that further your genes’ goals of survival and reproduction. The better a man becomes with women, the happier he will be. Only monks dedicated to stripping themselves of their humanity and disembodying their consciousness from their physical shells can be said to rise above this happiness equation. Sure you could be a monk, but it’s easier to learn game. And a lot more fun>>
Wow, that was deep! I respect Roissy more now. He understands the complexity of happiness and inner peace. And that pursuits like his are just one path…
When I first started reading this blog I also had a typical reaction like many girls, like “What a player jerk! How shallow does he even have a heart or soul?”
But it’s clear he’s just doing what makes him happy, and it’s a conscious choice to do it in one way. And it seems like he doesn’t do it dishonestly, he’s up front so it’s all good (plus the women seem to get a lot out of how he operates).
Maybe I shouldn’t doubt the “reformed player’s” ability to truly love and settle down after all… (Not talking about Roissy by the way lol, he’s incorrigible)
P.S. Reading the e-flirtery is fun heehee 😉
LikeLike
mr. M I’m curious, why would a “good girl” peruse this blog?
To learn about men so she can choose the proper armor.
LikeLike
lovelysexyvixen
Yes it is babe, we should do more of it. 😉
LikeLike
chic –
funny you speak of armor, when earlier you say “Poon is King”.
or do you allude to condom type? smart girl!
LikeLike
chic noir
What is that picture in your gravatar?
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
Of course I followed THE PSTNS. I am a Detroit-sports-team junkie. WNGS & TGRS FTW. (I can’t abbreviate LIONS effectively, SRY.)
I do not hold contempt for guys who have 0 game. Why would I? They’re probably, after all, the product of being beat down by post-modern feminist society, and being told pretty lies about what women do and do not want. Anyway, no beta is completely hopeless.
Except maybe DA…
But, I’m the kind of person who will talk to anyone, at anytime, about anything. I am genuinely interested in what people have to say, but also in how guys approach me and how they could do better with other women.
@ chic noir
…and that.
LikeLike
oh jees chic noir was right the woman bloggers are takin over, damn roissy really is a fucking alpha if just his blog attract this many woman
LikeLike
Chic:
“To learn about men so she can choose the proper armor.”
Thats futile.
Women love being seduced.
If anything I take women who read up in this blog either to be just plain bored, have nothing else to do or actually find this stuff interesting. (The two first points are more likely to be the real reasons.)
Even when they can acknowlege the gaming process for example,
Her: OMG he just neged me.
Her:OMG he just made me qualify myself.
She will still love it, even though she knows she’s being gamed.
LikeLike
Rum says, “Pick your fights carefully. You will win more often that way.”
This is true. It’s one reason for my considering what’s in it for me before choosing whether or not to retaliate and how.
In the case where a former lover tries to humiliate you, the best course, in my opinion, would be the one that removes their ability to accomplish their goal.
So I also like Whiskey’s idea.
I had the pleasure of almost shagging an ex boyfriend’s dad once. It was sweeeeeeet. 🙂
I’m a girl, so I didn’t need to do the deed. It was enough for the guy to be faced with the possibility of having me for a stepmother.
Dad was cute though. I wish I hadn’t dated his son. Nothing like the original.
LikeLike
Bah, I Googled “Mylovenoteto” and nothin’ comes up but a reference to this blog. So far.
LikeLike
lovelysexybeauty –
your most recent blog seems interesting, yet overly optimistic. however, i will forgive your triple barf inducing name.
Lil –
sports junky, are we? likes to cook? hapa? TCK? poses in lingerie for interweb buddies?? batshit crazy is just waiting to burst out, its just a matter of when. I just hope no betas are in your general vicinity when it happens.
hm, where is the armor that should be there after being hit on incessantly by men, beta and alpha alike? are you trying to save men? one mal-adjusted beta at a time? aw.
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
Haha, attempting a 50’s style pin-up shoot is hardly the same as a racy lingerie shot. If you’d like, I’ll show you the difference…
Kidding. Sports, check. Cooking, check. I’m not hapa, but check. TCK, check. Crazy? Eh. I mean, can I make that call?
Lucky there’s an alpha in my life who keeps me pretty well in line…
As for the armor, sure, there’s a bit of it (mainly because if I were too approachable, I wouldn’t get anything done. Heck, I’m already stopped on the street way more than is efficient for me.), but I’m a nice person. I know, that might make your head explode, but yeah. I’ll leave it at that. I mean, I certainly can’t prove anything.
LikeLike
Default4U 😉 –
Ya hehehe
Mr. M –
ahahahahhaaa! hahahah loll So if you were like me would you be StudlyCockyFunny or something? Or BluesyBallsyCocky? loll 😉
Any way, why would a “good girl” read this blog? Or any girl? Well for one perspective: I am interested in understanding men better, and male female relations. That’s all really.
It used to bother me a LOT to hear “guy talk,” like what my Dad calls “locker room talk.” It’s usually so crude, and kind of mean, and guys talk about women like they’re just pieces of meat, etc.
Then I realized it’s more of a style thing, that’s just how guys talk with each other. I still flinch at some of the things I read here, and skim over a lot, but there’s always so many golden nuggets of wisdom too scattered around.
LikeLike
Roissy,
You are going to write about this, right? For fuck’s sake, it is all over the news. Please give it the treatment it deserves.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090506/us_time/08599189570900
LikeLike
Lil –
50s pin-up vs t-shirt and jeans – hmmm. but hey, i won’t judge. i NEVER judge…….yeah.
how are you not hapa? i guess our definition varies here. as for being crazy, well. thats similar to the feminist comment i make earlier. guilty until proven otherwise. hey, i’m just playing the odds here (remember, chinese?).
oh i certainly know that proving things on the interweb is just pointless. i do know NYC is probably one of the nicer cities i’ve been to (stemming from the fact that virtually everyone is a tourist or new there, relatively), despite its rep.
however, in as much as i find women accountable for the current state of society, i do find fault in both women and men in what led to this. getting drooled on all day by passer-bys would piss me the fuk off pretty quick (which is why i expect EVERY girl to have “armor”). roosh made a pretty good post about this and his jesus costume.
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
I define “hapa” as “half,” but okay. Part of being “hapa” also means having the parents’ cultural interplay, and I obviously do not have that. Really, for all practical purposes, it’s best to ignore my Asian-ness altogether, as it has practically zero influence on my sense of self.
By all means, play those odds.
As for getting pissed off, it doesn’t really piss me off until it starts interfering with my plans. Like, when I’m late to class and trucks are stopping in the middle of the crosswalk so their drivers can hang out the window and shout to me — that’s pretty annoying.
LikeLike
LSB,
I’ll just call myself BBC. You can guess the C, i’m sure.
correct about locker room talk. and keep up the good work. perhaps you should become a professor at a college under the guise of “feminist studies” – then you can drop those bomb shells.
LikeLike
I see. I take hapa to be “mixed” – i don’t necessarily agree with the parental upbringing and influence, however. i feel the personal appearance of being mixed is usually enough to cause identity issues.
how could you ignore your asian upbringing? you grew up in…THE T K Y.
what if you’re just having a fucktastic day, want a drink, and you can’t be left alone in a bar for 2 seconds? eh, i’d rather not get into behavioral based questions. i will give you this, though – at least you’re comments don’t (maybe some do..fukn LIONS) give me an up-chuck reaction as other female commenters have.
LikeLike
Default User
chic noir
What is that picture in your gravatar?
A woman’s shoe
Mr. M- I’mtesting out my sarcasm. I’m not up to Tupac’s level but I will be some day if I just keep trying 😦
LikeLike
Is Barbara alpha or beta
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
Re: appearance of being mixed — fair enough, I suppose. Although, I think I look pretty Asian. I guess the interesting thing about growing up in THE TKY was that, being !Japanese caused me to reject all things AZN for awhile (because I hated telling people I was from Japan and then having them automatically assume that = Japanese).
Hmm.
I don’t drink.
LikeLike
As for this insane revenge scheme, maybe some of roissy’s girlfriends read this blog and he wants to keep them in line with a theoretical threat.
I say that this much effort into revenge is neither alpha nor beta. It’s either angsty (beta) or sadistic (alpha).
But the real alpha is keeping your woman genuinely afraid that such a scenario would occur if she cheated.
LikeLike
Is raj alpha or beta?
LikeLike
WTF
Raj, men are suppose to use the mouth. That’s the only way for most women to see the light. raj got turned out american style.
LikeLike
This is for Roissy(and roissy only.)
It will take too long for me to do, but can you do an analysis of LILGRL banter here tonight as an example of game?
I love LILGRL banter with mr.M/dougjn/lurker/firepower/87. How she managed to hold court, kick arse and take names with all the so-called alphas. How she effectively and deftly handled all the cock/funny, arsehole games, the negs, the DHV, qualifiers, openers, and DLVs too. And in many cases turning them back around simultaneously and fluidly.
The best comment of the night, IMO, was when she royally owned lurker’s arse.
lurker says:“You break my heart”
LILGRL: It happens. SUCK IT UP. I’m kidding. Well, not really. I mean, it does happen.
lurker says: “the attention your bf isn’t capable of providing”
LILGRL: You may take that up with my boyfriend.
HAHAHAHAHA. OWNED.
And the way she offered firepower a cookie for guessing her ethnicity…after firepower begged for it.( “firepower”: i have the right answer, pretty please, give me a present! “LILGRL”: Here, good boy, have a cookie!.)
LOL. Priceless. LOL. DLVing “firepower” to oblivion.
Anyways, it will take too long a post for me to break it all down, analyzing various aspect of games in the conversation tonight, but, maybe as a post, you roissy can transcribe the banter and analyze it from the view point of game as a separate post. As an object lessons in game for these wannabe alphas. The only downside is that some of your regular commentators may not like the harsh criticism of Roissy on their weak game. As their pretty lies perish.
Real or not, LILGRL, it is nice to have you here. No offense to chicnoir/bhetti/sara/nicole, but it is good to have a “woman” who can school these fools.
*pass the popcorn*
(Like i said, this post is for roissy only. I do not want any reply to this from anybody. period).
LikeLike
Darth Maul,
Listening to you would be beta. Sucking up to LILGRL on this board is also beta. I win.
LikeLike
Backdoor Man,
I was wondering the same thing about the Edwards thing. I read a column by Maureen Dowd in NYT today where she basically called Elizabeth Edwards’ judgment into question. Elizabeth said that she never would have guessed John would do something like that.
Dowd’s response, and mine too, was “how could you not expect a good-looking politician with millions in the bank and that southern gentleman schitck going on to not be plowing another broad’s field?”
Elizabeth was either stupid or in denial.
LikeLike
Giving credit where credit is due. Deal with it.
LikeLike
Roissys Revenge Fantasies.
W. F. Buckley once reviewed a piece by Hunter S. Thompson. He concluded, more or less, that “If you write well enough, anything will be forgiven.”
Well, Roissy writes well enough to get away with a lot but, on the other hand… here is something to think about.
Serial killers who strike at random generally go for years without any bother from the police because there is no obvious connection between them and the victim. So they are never even suspects. When there is an obvious connection between a corpse and the perpetrator alibis, etc. have a way of falling apart.
Doing great harm to a person “anonymously” after you have been in an intimate relationship with them and after they have cheated on you.. well, good luck with that. There may not be a tight paper trail leading back to you but her Dad & Gun-Crazed brothers will not really care about that.
Extreme action should be designed to stop a fight, not merely to inflame it.
LikeLike
There are echos in these stories of the real life case of Libby Hoeler. Libby was a smoking hot 18 year old at a college in Wisconsin. She made several smoking hot videos of herself basically doing herself and emailed them to her boyfriend. Then she cheated on him. Then he emailed these vids to everyone she knew and they have been an internet classic ever since.
Cool, huh? The fact is, the boyfriend came damn close to being indicted for multiple, compound felonies. Lawyer fees probably exceeded his net worth. And he still can easily be found by members of her large, extended family for the rest of his life.
Family matters, big time.
LikeLike
Lil –
A better way of putting it may be as not having the appearance of fitting in to any major ethnic group (you dont look pure vietnamese, nor japanese, etc). That is, you can’t fully affiliate with any one ethnicity (hence, incoming issues).
DM –
As silly as e-game is, it’d be interesting if roissy dissected the convos down and provided an analysis.
LikeLike
Yea imagine the revenge when you find a woman who is better than her in every way. Then you tell her about it. That is revenge on a woman. Like how come we never created that together. Oh yea now you know it was because like I said you where the weak link in the chain. You did not listen to me therefore you amounted to nothing this new woman listens therefore she is now free. What are you doing oh yea your living paycheck to paycheck just like you will your whole life.
LikeLike
on Revenge:
It is easier to execute revenge if the target doesn’t know your true sentiments. Maintain indifference , and then pull the triger when it matters. Never leave a smoking gun.
LikeLike
@ Mr.M
Hah! Please, if I looked fully Vietnamese…how, pray tell, would that help me identify with that ethnicity? Based on what you know so far…I mean, I’ve only even had Vietnamese food once.
An awesome little restaurant in San Jose, as I recall.
I actually don’t know if I look full Vietnamese or not, as I don’t really see too many Vietnamese in these here parts.
@ Darth Maul
You’re welcome.
LikeLike
Many people have a point that revenge is beta, because revenge=spending too much time on her= neediness.
But yet again, imagine you do nothing, just ignore her, and then you meet her again somewhere. She’s on top. She laughs at you. You feel horrible, and beta because she cheated on you.
Now, if you put a picture of her getting a facial on the internet, and then you bump on her in the street… you’re on top. You laugh at her.
You just need the right balance between justice and alphaness.
LikeLike
@LILGRL
Viet women find tall dark Aryan to be irresistable, at least in my personal experience. Visited your commie motherland once and was pussy galore! You see many Viet women understand sad truth that native men compare not in slightest to virile Ubermensch. But in deference to testosterone challenged I left because gloating is beneath personal honor.
LikeLike
anony, baby, of course it is fucking “easier” to execute revenge if the target does not know you give a shit, one way of the other about him. Because it is an EMPTY gesture.
Brace yourself for some solid rock truth. Successful, public guy-style revenge will get him a long series of dripping pussy sex rewards.
Successful girl type revenge will indeed produce many wrecked lives and stunted dreams along with prolonged agony and endless tears and pain, … but no sex. By this I mean sex that both parties want – with each other.
LikeLike
@ 87
“Ok, so which football team do you like?”
THE LIONS.
Insofar as college football, I’m a Wolverines girl. But my boyfriend is a Florida fan, so it’s not uncommon to find me bedecked in orange & blue.
“FACT: Betas are more likely to be killed or injured in car accidents than are alphas.”
I’m curious as to where you obtained this statistic. Or, if you’re just making educated statements based on the odds. I’m guessing the latter?
LikeLike
LILGRL
LIL = LI L = 51 50 = 5150 = you are insane.
There’s that “batshit crazy” motif again.
—
One reference can be found here.
LikeLike
@ 87
“LIL = LI L = 51 50 = 5150 = you are insane.”
You’re absolutely correct, sir. How can I argue with such air-tight reasoning.
LikeLike
Mr. M,
I agree. Game recognizes game. You give credit where credit is due. big deal. That is an alpha dictum.
i guess he(chuck) won a lollipop(he was claiming he won something.).
Speaking of tonight’s convos, my approach would have been different.
(1)Tonight, I wont ask /express interest in her ethnicity or background or any such thing. She peacocks with her ethnicity by default of her “exotic” background. I certainly will NOT join the fray tonight, simply because 5 to 6 other guys are already hitting on her already….a recipe for pickup failure. The same reason you dont hit on a girl that five other guys are simultaneously hitting on in a bar.
(2)I will reply to everything from her with cocky/funny. Keeping it short and nonchalantly semi-cryptic. I will also use the 1/3 or 2/3 rule. Only 1 or 2 response to her 3 replies. I wont even bother replying to every other post of hers particularly when they are directed at me. I will just ignore them–particularly if she is flirtatious. I will generate new directions/routes in the conversation (that is “leading”/ or internet form of “compliance”/ change of venue.).
(3)I certainly wont use a stupid, silly star wars avatar like “darth maul”. Instead, it will be something uniquely arresting without trying too hard to be.
(4)I will engage in humorous critic of the gaming styles of the guys hitting on her, done in such an unassuming manner– as if i am just trying to help these guys get into her pants by improving their game. This will DLV all the competitors. While doing this, absolutely not will i ever compliment her on any fucking thing. zilch. zero. nada. I dont give a shit what that thing is. You will need the jaw-of-life to pry a compliment from me about her.
(5)For the time being, repeat step 1 to 4 as often as necessary. Until threshold is crossed. Then, move to phase 2.
LikeLike
OK, I’ve received some feedback on LILGRL. She’s putting her images out there, for sure, and I don’t think that’s all bad. What really gets me is women on what is essentially a guys’ site trying to curry favor with one guy or the other (unless it’s Roissy — it’s his site after all) in a typical attempt to turn men against each other. If she’s willing to throw it all out there for all of us, there’s nothing I can really fault her for.
This actually gave me an idea, and I think it might not be such a bad one:
Roissy should have a “hottie of the month” selected from photos posted by his female readers. They should verify their identity in one way or the other (they can remain anonymous as long as Roissy knows they aren’t fakes), and for the girls it can’t help but give them an advantage: if even the most critical men approve of them they are set. Furthermore, Roissy’s readership proves that he is a legitimate publisher. Women who truly want to ride this wave will get on board and give us what we want. These pics from LILGRL are something that most men would not willingly turn down. On the other hand, bitchiness from faceless bags is worse than annoying — it is like stepping in a pile of dogshit in a place of calm reflection.
LILGRL seems to instinctively understand this. What does she have to lose by endearing herself to men dedicated to advancing the cause of men? As a woman, she stands to gain a great deal.
That there are women who have an emotionally invested interest in this site does not surprise me at all — women have a radically practical understanding of the world. Men, dreamers that we are, will never be so adaptable.
LikeLike
Oh god, if Roissy gives an analysis of “e-game,” I’ll lose a lot of respect for this blog.
LikeLike
(my emphasis)
Bro.
This is a web site. It’s not like posters are trying to cyber-pick up other posters for cyber-sex.
LILGRL is just today’s Connecticut Yankee in this particular royal court, as it were.
Chill.
LikeLike
Kim,
Roissy already did that before….about internet pickup game. Roissy is a student of social dynamics, he doesnt care in what form or context it occurs in. Social dynamics is social dynamics.
Lastly, with all due respect, kim, i doubt he gives a shit of your respect or any of our respect.
Gotta go. the euro market is open for trading.
LikeLike
My take on the revenge thing:
It all goes out the window if you have kids. In that case, neither party should seek revenge, but women do all the time. Occasionally, men do so as well, but most know that it is always tragic, and if you love your children nothing good can come of it.
This is one of the things that demonstrates that, in general, men are morally superior to women. There are exceptions, but when it comes to the destruction of families women excel and men and children are usually the passive victims. Men are passive because they love their children in a pure, uncorrupted manner, as opposed to the female idea of motherhood, which is essentially the same as a sense of material possession of other human beings — in short the desire to enslave.
LikeLike
Darth:
(6) I will drop subtle references to my financial prowess.
(6a) Unfortunately, these references will fail miserably at being subtle.
LikeLike
Darth Maul,
Is “e-game” really even game? I guess if you’re going the e-harmony route of meeting women then it’s relevant but if it doesn’t transfer into real life game then who cares? I’m also pretty sure “e-game” doesn’t equal real life game. And if you think it does, I’d like to see how you break that down.
LikeLike
Default User:
I’m more used to seeing those upside down, or perhaps sideways.
LikeLike
Every guy who’s been with more than a few women will get cheated on. It happens.
So the question is, how do you deal with it?
IMHO, each man needs to realistically assess his ability to either make accurate judgments about a woman’s propensity to cheat AND his ability to monitor signs of dissatisfaction, and a desire to stray (to remediate by Game) …
Or simply choose to never commit.
I think the latter is rather self-defeating, but that’s just my take.
LikeLike
Mr. M:
Hate to say it, but this is a textbook example of what, in the words of august commenter Thursday, is known as the bad kind of being led around by her hand.
It’s an electronic example, but, still. You’re letting the woman run the conversation. You’re being a marionette.
Men shouldn’t end with “-ette”.
Just sayin’.
LikeLike
Bro.
This is a web site. It’s not like posters are trying to cyber-pick up other posters for cyber-sex.
LILGRL is just today’s Connecticut Yankee in this particular royal court, as it were.
Chill.
Just sayin’.
LikeLike
But in all seriousness, appreciate the commentary, even though I’m def not trying to run game on the interweb.
LikeLike
Rum says, “Successful girl type revenge will indeed produce many wrecked lives and stunted dreams along with prolonged agony and endless tears and pain, … but no sex. By this I mean sex that both parties want – with each other.”
Well, this is why I prefer, as a girl, to do guy type revenge.
At the point where it’s appropriate, I make sure that they are aware that I am not to be trifled with. This is very important as it establishes context. Certain things are dealbreakers or will automatically set off the kill switch in my head, regardless of whether or not I’m consciously aware of what actually happened.
Especially in matters of the heart, I am very sensitive. Whatever problems my parents had, my daddy loved me. I know what a man who loves you, or with the potential, looking at you looks and feels like. It’s something pure.
So the second a guy weakens, my subconscious starts forming an escape plan that will keep my ego and finances intact. This is something I didn’t know about myself until I embraced my “shadow self” and became okay with vengeance when it’s warranted. Bonus, once that happened, I stopped getting myself into those kinds of situations in the first place.
Whatever may be acceptable in the general population, there are things that I should be judgmental about and intolerant of, for myself. I deserve to be protected and defended, and as far as my heart, the only one who’s going to do that properly is me.
People who mess with me deserve whatever suffering comes as a consequence from that. It would be arrogant of me to protect them from life or nature, which includes my own.
So when dealing with a guy who has messed with you, it’s best to hit him where it’ll hurt him, not where in an estrogen clouded ego bruised frenzy, one thinks it might make him value you. This is the problem with female revenge. Women worry too damn much about what people think.
When I go for vengeance, I’m going for maximum pain for them with minimum risk to me.
…and when the hammer falls, they should know who did it, and be incapable of doing a damn thing about it.
LikeLike
Sure, but the thing is that sometimes the guy is dissatisfied — it goes both ways. Even so, these days he’s less likely to commit adultery due to the severe penalties of divorce.
The real problem is that there is no disincentive for women to cheat. Men simply stand to lose far more from adultery than women, so women have begun to cheat in unprecedented numbers.
LikeLike
“Every woman who is socially engaging who isn’t obviously fat or ugly or married becomes instantly the focus of male attention.”
That kind of male atention?
Man, I would be happy if I thought like that. Everything that comes to the net is fish, hum?
Unfortunetly to me, I cannot agree with you.
LikeLike
chic noir
Well I am glad it was not a picture of you, I was getting worried.
[Note for the archives the gravatar may have changed when you read this]
LikeLike
lovelysexyvixen
I imagine that if men could hear women’s uncensored thoughts we too would flinch.
LikeLike
Women don’t quite have uncensored thoughts. Most of their thought is pre-conscious. They don’t even hear the voices in their heads, and are unaware of their motivations.
LikeLike
Rum, Nicole, et al
What would guy-style revenge look like compared to chick-style revenge?
LikeLike
V@40
What can I say, I’ve cultivated a large heart. It helps that I’m obviously terribly flawed, in many ways, as it keeps me from requiring perfection in order to feel romance.
One thing I despise, is good people. I hate them. Fucking hate them. I despise and hate good people. Fucking arrogant know nothing ignoramuses, proud of their ignorance.
LikeLike
xsplat
Sometimes they will let (freudian?) slip things that do give a hint as to their (unspoken) motivations. Those things can be flinch-making if you are not the Alpha guy.
LikeLike
Nicole,
“are you rating women by what you find attractive + youth + not being psycho? or are you rating women based on what the television says a “10″ is?”
Well, I rate them just according to my animalistical desire to do them mixed with a semi-divine classy sophistication / aristocracy on the part of the girl that also arouses me “spiritually” (it’s little to do with economics or money or de facto social class). It’s something you’re either born with or not and it must be cultivated despite being very hard to grow.
So yes, that’s what I find actractive. In fact, that’s all that I count in rating them. That does not mean that it is all that I consider to like them.
For instance, you spoke of unicorns. My ten, although not having the classical Western European good heart *is* an unicorn because I’d actually prefer someone whith her personality than a classical “tree-hugging-Heidi”. But she’s a ten despite me liking her personality. Counting only that strange aspect I mentioned before that is embroiled in her figure. It’s thus part of a girl’s style.
When I rate girls, I only rate them according to their figure.
See, youth definetly counts a little but I can count some 40 yo as hotter than a girl in her early 20s, it depends.
Internal factors such as not being psicho do not count on this. Those will only count when the girl is such a dirty whore that it is evident in her. Again, part of her style and thus figure.
Noticed that it does not mean that I do not care about a girl’s personality, I do, I do a lot. What it means is that I do separate personality and actractivness. Nothing to do with eachother. I am only programed to wanting to fuck girls who are… well, girls – that is, attractive girls. This is the basic of basics. Then, in another level, I will only like “good-hearted” girls. Or at least, girls with a personality that pleases me.
Television also has some influence but it is a subcounscious one. Actually, TV is pushing more for factors like “uniqueness”, “exoticness” and “factor x” than beauty and stuff I consider important. The TV concept of beauty/attractive is getting more and more nihilistic. I don’t like them: I don’t like Beyonce or Pink or Tila Tequilla: I like Katty Perry and Britney Spears.
Also, Nicole, if you’re interesing in exploring my deranged personality a little deeper, I’d tell you a little about that friend of mine. He’s not an alpha. But he’s more than a greater beta. Maybe he’s a lesser alpha…
Girls like him. They don’t fall for him, they simply like him. The truth is that he’s a playfull guy but he also has a thing for long term relationship.
He’s now dating – for some four years I think, consider we’re all the three 19 years old, it’s a lot – a girl who seems very nice, with vallues and a genuine good heart.
It happens that that girl happened to be my neighbour. She’s an 8.
I never payed much attention to her. There was a period in which she would come over and talk to me despite all my “don’t care” and sort of “despize” in relation to her. Once or twice, she even offered me a ride to school. I never considered her and never actually retributed the kindness to her.
That probabily, because I was too occupied looking at the distant nines and the tens to notice the 8 near me. Dman! I didn’t have to fuck her, I just had to be nice, I could have, if not a true friend, a female friend, which is also nice. And also because I already couldn’t see past “my ten”. Or the other 8 who was a female friend of mine I wanted to bang prior to me meeting – actually seeing – my ten.
The thing is that now I’m fucked up in several ways and although I am fairly intelligent (at least, everybody says that so often it makes me ill) I’m still stuck in high school. Next year the eight who’s dating my friend is in the last year in college.
I met her three weeks ago. First I pretended not to have seen her for an half hour. Then, I passed through her and said “hey, you’re X, are you not!? Hi, how are you?”.
She reacted positively as if I had not ignored her earlier.
She was (an 8 is always fairly attractive but only not perfect) very nice to me, we chatted for five minutes and she even had the “nice-ity” to promise she would be my “godmother” if I went to her college.
The godmother is a girl in the last year who is supposed to be in charge of socialising and taking care of her godson, a boy who’s a freshman.
Yes, my friend was telling me something.
“The ones who keep their looks past 22ish or so, are the ones who are basically pretty, but not exactly trendy.”
Didn’t understand exactly. One thing I can grant you however: A ten for me is someone who cannot be defined as trendy. Nines go and come, a ten’s beauty can last very long.
Sorry for wirting too much but… that just happens. Scrool down if you want 🙂 (yeah, this smile is beta. But so am I. Not proud though)
LikeLike
To 87,
“(6) I will drop subtle references to my financial prowess.
(6a) Unfortunately, these references will fail miserably at being subtle.”
LOL. So, gentle sir, i was dropping hints of my financial prowess when i said that euro market is open for business? LOL.
Pardon, but it says more about your position on the food chain than it does about me.
Because a large bank manager/hedgefund/wealth manager or a rich physician–people who generally have traders manage their money–people who generally have traders work for them like their servants; arent that impressed enough with the traders, to start reading deeply into their casual comments about their job.
Traders are just people who gets the job done for them, people they yell at and smack around, and also give fat, disgustingly large bonuses to.
G-manifesto and alpha dominance are both traders too. Who cares?
Chill dude, chill.
Oh, by the way, the US market will open in roughly 1.5 hours…the futures market is already open, of course. That means, i gotta go again. No rest for the weary. 9-to-5? who the fuck does 9-to-5? lazy P.E teachers?
In my business, People are here to do one thing and one thing only: Get filthy rich. We will trade your mother for a buck if we can.
Yes, i only get to sleep a couple of hours during the early part of the asian market. (re:dropping subtle hints of my insane workethic/financial prowess. Hehehe.)
Have fun,
LikeLike
Virgin – you could probably become interesting if you’d learn the discipline of editing your prose. Concision. Rhythm. Alternations between free-style thinking and summations. Vivid metaphors.
Pay attention to your prose, virgin.
LikeLike
Default
As a believer in the power of habit to form a personality, I would sometimes wander natures fields, in prayer. I would pray to be able to love all people.
Learning that women are devilish whores, is a puzzle piece earned and correctly placed in my quest.
LikeLike
Seems like 50% of the thread is now dedicated to all these alpha PUAs desperately flirting with Woman on the Internet in the hopes that she’ll somehow have sex with them. How incredibly boring. If this is supposed to be an example of game I can’t imagine how anyone can practise it without immediately dying of shame and embarrasment. It’s like really bad movie dialogue that isn’t even unintentionally funny.
87
Where is your evidence proving that I’m a troll? Do you know what a troll is? Have you ever actually seen one? Only a rare, rare few people on the Internet know what a troll is, even though the concept is decades old and definitions are readily available from various sites, including Wikipedia.
As I expected, you took something out of context. I simply meant that I don’t talk to women in an attempt to flirt with them or pick them up.
Darth Maul
What, you seriously buy all the bullshit that G spouts here? He is a troll, and I mean the classic kind of troll who makes slightly over-the-top posts that only gullible and/or clueless people take seriously. The fact that he spends so much time commenting on a blog like this should tell you that he really isn’t some international man of mystery.
LikeLike
Oh, and another puzzle piece I picked up. Love is a concept people don’t share, and some people are broken and of no lasting use.
The initial intention remains correct – how else would a man find enough bravery to push aside veil after veil, if not unless he intuited something worthwhile for his trials?
The definition of love might change, after curtains are drawn to reveal the next curtain. But my intention needn’t. That’s my brand of narcissism, and I’m sticking with it, for as long as the boat will float.
LikeLike
Here is a revenge story. The guy calls the cops and tells them that his ex-wife’s new hubby is a cop killer. SWAT raid ensues. Obviously the instigator did not care that this revenge was easily traced back to him.
LikeLike
Default User, blowing it all out immediately or making drama around it is a girlish way of handling things. Cool, calm, decisive cruelty is a guy way of handling things.
The girl type focuses on her feelings, while the guy type is focused on the situation and how best to survive it with their dignity intact…unless the person has pushed them over the edge where that matters less than inflicting pain.
I like my dignity, so that’s the main consideration when I go into destruction mode. Whatever I do has to be something I can laugh about later.
LikeLike
Or you may say “for the love of science”. For the adventure in it. For the fuck of it. Because it’s there.
The attitude of delving for truths is an aquired taste, but like chocolate or coffee, once aquired, it’s with you permanently.
LikeLike
Where is your evidence proving that I’m a troll? Do you know what a troll is? Have you ever actually seen one? Only a rare, rare few people on the Internet know what a troll is, even though the concept is decades old and definitions are readily available from various sites, including Wikipedia.
The wiki definition fits you pretty well:
“An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.”
LikeLike
The guy type is more cold and big-picture thinking than even that. His dignity is not something he IS. it is something he has a word for, something he can manipulate. He is above even his dignity. It is sometimes usefull, othertimes not.
A woman requires dignity to be known. A man knows his own intentions, and that is enough.
LikeLike
Tarl – consider if responding to trolls, you require of readers of the board some seconds out of their life to see that your post is worthless crap responding to worthless crap. Better if when responding to contrarian you use the moniker Contrarian Response. Saves me brain cycles.
LikeLike
Xsplat says, “A woman requires dignity to be known. A man knows his own intentions, and that is enough.”
…and this is something I bear in mind when considering what the best revenge is against a guy.
So far, the Death Star in my situations has been to shift according to new data, not based on past hopes. I can’t be a guy, but I can mimic one pretty well, especially when faced with shameless faggotry.
They become the girl in the dialoque, who wants to talk about feelings. I become the guy who just wants to finish up and get on with my life.
…they continue to be the girl, and I continue to be the guy. Dealing with me becomes a humiliating experience that they just can’t seem to get enough of.
LikeLike
contrarian
You do want to meet a woman right? How do you intend to do that without a pickup (i.e., introducing yourself).
LikeLike
Tarl
How does it fit me?
xsplat
This right here is an example of trolling. An inflammatory, irrelevant, off-topic message with the primary intent of provoking a response.
All this paranoia and constant whining about trolls does far more to disrupt discussion than the imaginary trolling I have allegedly done (but actually haven’t).
Default contrarian
There are no women who interest me so there’s no reason for me to talk to them.
LikeLike
Darth Maul
I am sorry but your “market is open” sounds like a pose. Why not just say “got to go?”
It sounds like the kind of thing a naive person would say to impress.
When I traded the markets it was just work. Outside of financial environment I would just leave with a “gotta go” or “back to work.” With other money heads, I might mention the market open because that is the work we shared.
LikeLike
contrarian
OK, I will play along.
You are a heterosexual male, right?
You would like a sexual/romantic relationship, right?
There is not one woman, ever, that has caught your interest?
LikeLike
Nicole, sounds like you are dealing with twenty somethings. It’s normal and age appropriate behaviour. Conisder such behaviour a cross that the sensitive must bear – for a while.
A man such as you describe who matures is superior to a man who never cried in anguish.
LikeLike
Nicole, sounds like you are dealing with twenty somethings. It’s normal and age appropriate behaviour. Conisder such behaviour a cross that the sensitive must bear – for a while.
A man such as you describe who matures is superior to a man who never cried in anguish.
LikeLike
I guess the comments section is now devoted to three dumb gash attention whores and some guys trying to pick them up. Yech.
LikeLike
There’s nothing to talk about. There are no women available who interest me, and never will be. And that’s that.
LikeLike
contrarian
So why post on a blog related to attracting women?
What impossible standards do you have that no woman could meet?
LikeLike
“What, you seriously buy all the bullshit that G spouts here? He is a troll, and I mean the classic kind of troll who makes slightly over-the-top posts that only gullible and/or clueless people take seriously. The fact that he spends so much time commenting on a blog like this should tell you that he really isn’t some international man of mystery.”
Dude, G wears custom suits and has a Desert Eagle. He has told us many, many times. What’s not to believe? When he gets out of that vino induced haze after swooping Somali pirates, he’s gonna get you!
LikeLike
Danger
G presents a believable front, with panache. What you neglect, is the importance of the panache.
LikeLike
I was the object of such revenge at one time…My Ex called my boss, tried to rally those close against me…came to my apartment to return my key without me home and destroyed all my sexy lingerie…I could go on.
An arrest and restraining order finally put and end to his psychotic shenanigans…
Quite frankly, that type of crazy behavior you so willingly gave out as advice, was not mean or vengeful, but merely distructive and worse than typical beta, and backfires.
My last words to that Ex ever were, ” If I’m so awful, why is it so hard to get over me.”
Good riddance.
LikeLike
Betafist, it fits you because you post inflammatory messages in this forum with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response and generally disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
LikeLike
–G presents a believable front, with panache. What you neglect, is the importance of the panache.–
Bridge for sale, very historic, in a great neighborhood…
LikeLike
Bridge for sale
Is someone here “buying” any bridges? No. It’s just fun commenting. Lighten up.
Personally, I like hearing about G’s “negocios” in Bogota and swooping billionaires’ wives in Miami.
LikeLike
I asked: “What is that picture in your gravatar?”
chic replied: “A woman’s shoe”
Well I am glad it was not a picture of you, I was getting worried.
Is this the cleverest neg ever or what? “Sorry chic, I mixed you up with a shoe.”
LikeLike
–Personally, I like hearing about G’s “negocios” in Bogota and swooping billionaires’ wives in Miami.–
Heard one, heard them all. But whatever floats your boat. Beats Darth Maul’s “Sith Lord” and European markets trading stuff though…
LikeLike
Xsplat, if they do grow and mature from the experience, then I’d consider that a bonus.
At the moment they wrong me though, the objective is merely to burn the bridge with a fire so high and so hot that the next time they meet someone like me, they choose to avoid rather than exploit.
LikeLike
87:
That is hot. I was not ever suggesting food’s superior to women, although I understand your point about it not mattering, when you’ve got what you’ve got.
Let me reword that: If you can appreciate your women, then it’s interesting that food appreciation would not follow. The act of eating and sex have very similar qualities in their execution; they’re both more enjoyable if you stop to savour, if they have certain meaning and if they’re in certain settings.
Being sensual and enjoying food seem intimately connected to me. Perhaps that’s a primarily feminine thing, e.g. chocolate, although it seems to me a very human thing. They both have the same motivations behind doing them, survival.
Surely you’ve combined them in some ways?
Gunny was saying about letting/making his wife feed him.
LikeLike
Hmm. Interesting post & comments.
But, I don’t know…maybe it’s me, but I’ve always been of the view that Success cures all ails; that the best revenge is living a better life post-so and so, than when you were with them.
Besides, there’s something “catty” about a Man doing the kinds of things suggested above. Aside from securing my things, etc, I really couldn’t get away from the gal fast enough.
I’m just sayin’.
O
LikeLike
Ah Darth Maul, the splinter in my brown eye.
LikeLike
Now, lilgirl, we know being a good girl has nothing to do with having fun. I promise both Bhetti and I will respect you in the morning.
Bhetti, this is about skill, not scary PE bullying. I am a fair judge, and will keep Lil right in line.
LikeLike
some people in this blog fall all over themselves hoping that they will fuck a girl that none will ever see.
I have more fun by selecting what I find interesting in the blog. Girls are only girls if they have material existence, i.e., if I can see them.
so I ask:
– contrarian, given your last post, have you ever thought about teaching a lesson to all those people who don’t understand you? people in school, work, libraries, who think so differently from you? I mean a REAL lesson, a lesson they will never forget?
– Darth. You are probably buying the bullish stuff in the markets. Where I work, we de-leveredged a lot in this last six months, so unless the S&P 500 drops to 500 in a month, my job and bonus are safe. many people stopped the reduction in leverage. I believe those will by wiped out once reality sets in again. There is much hubris in the Force, right now.
– Nicole, “Dealing with me becomes a humiliating experience that they just can’t seem to get enough of”. I would be happier if I could put your comments in the BS section.
LikeLike
I agree. 🙂 I rather enjoy all the text flirts thrown at LILGRL — vicariously, as a fellow Asian girl. I’ll never post my pictures in public here, though a few in these blog circles have seen them.
To those who say e-game is pointless, that prejudice is antiquated. Back when I was young, that kind of thing was reserved for “nerds” like me and the guys I found online. Indeed, the bulk of the “beginning” communications I’ve done in all my relationships have been online. Anyway, nowadays all the young folks are meeting online, finding like-minded people in video games, texting each other, chatting through Facebook, MySpace, MSN, AIM, Yahoo, etc. Bar game is for the “old” crowd.
I’ve never really been into the whole revenge thing. I forgive past transgressions easily, and I don’t hold grudges, so even though in the heat of the moment I feel just as passionate as you about getting even, just a day or two later, or a few weeks in the cases that I’d been cheated on, I’ll have forgotten all about it. This has the unfortunate downside of allowing me to stay in negative situations with negative people for too long. The upside is that after I get out of those situations, I bounce right back to my normal contentedness.
You are a spiritualist trying to force yourself to love, when all you need to do is just be love. The “nature” of the universe is what it is. To accept it in both its infinite ugliness and beauty, darkness and light, and all the permutations of its complexity… that brings an indescribable spiritual feeling all its own.
LikeLike
Contrarian/default contrarian/danger!
LOL! Why are you lads analyzing my “market open, gotta go” statement to death! Geez. Getting your knickers all twisted in a bunch about it…thinking: hmmmm…let see what Darth Maul is trying to do here…hmmm…let’s think about it…hmmm….
I say: Who gives a merde?
The same way i dont give a damn about the G-manifesto beyond finding him amusing. Yes, he may not even be a “he”. Who cares?
Speaking of G-manifesto. He has a unique style on this blog(you cant say the same about many others). clearly distinct. take it or leave it.
that shit is amusing.
Seriously, people, chill.
Gotta go. Need to unload positions in the Yen crosses(aud, gbp, nzd) while scalping the ES on the other hand…and finishing it off with an expresso of YM butterfly condo options trades. And that is just for index futures and options, baby. I havent even get to forex/forex futures, SS/SS-futures, and gazillion Commodities and their spreads(crack or otherwise)/contango/backwardation arbitrage trades.
The day is still young, gentlemen.
I dont do bonds though. I am not G-manifesto.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Peace out, bitches.
LikeLike
The G comments about game are as solid as Dave From hawaii comments about game in marriage. And would remain so even if Dave started to say the names of cool cities in the pacific, together with 5-star hotels and casinos in those cities.
LikeLike
I’ve always been of the view that Success cures all ails; that the best revenge is living a better life post-so and so, than when you were with them.
It’s not enough to succeed – others must fail. =)
LikeLike
In response to Email #3, you may want to take a look at how Deanne Hummel’s ex-boyfriends took revenge. Deanna Hummel, the woman accused of having an affair with Jon Gosselin from Jon & Kate Plus Eight, her ex boyfriend is creating more slander for the elementary school teacher and created a website in order to sell his sex tape starring the most talk about nobody in the business. http://deannahummel.com/
LikeLike
@ “darth maul”
Thank you for helping guide my eCock toward ePussy. Your attentiveness to this matter is most appreciated.
@ Lurker:
nancy kwan did indeed possess that petite, trim, lean bod I prize Asians for; you are correct – she was one of the best. Seeing Flower Drum as a kid (with her in undergear) prompted wood that spurred a lifetime of appreciation for asian pussy – even though they are insufferable.
they make the ULTIMATE fuck n chuck, for they never “feel” they deserve dismissal due to their misinterpreted superiority over Caucasian males. White guys just like strange. That’s all.
It’s that sad, unexpected “who… me?!?” march to the wok every pampered Kobe Beef must make eventually. Savor every chew. pun intended
oh, and women NEVER understand sarcasm; it’s like explaining to them the oil needs to be changed in a car.
@mr. m
You never replied whether it’s Alpha to let your piece pose online in rented underwear. Hurry, before “darth paul” interrupts and gives “his” opinion instead.
LikeLike
Hope,
in response to your implied question, you may join Bhetti and Lilgirl in the contest on Saturday. However, as punishment for arriving late, you must wear a stewardess outfit from 1960s airtravel, similar to Star Trek.
12pm, sharp.
LikeLike
lurker: I bet you propose all these sweet, cute competitions to all the girls. Every Saturday night. Videocams rolling. Are you in the porn business? If not: You’ll make a fortune off DA alone, your creative talent is wasted.
Excuse no.2: I have no skill.
2b) You could teach me but, according to some people, apparently I’d have to charge. We all know you get it elsewhere for free.
Excuse no. 3: Long distance
3b)time
3c)travel
3d) America doesn’t like me (Well, you see, those leaflets and uh… Well, everyone who hates knows how to love? But the authorities, you know what they’re like, they didn’t put much stock in the hate = love argument.)
Excuse no. 4: I THOUGHT WE HAD LOVE. REAL LOVE.
Excuse no. 5: Why only one woman?
Excuse no. 6: I am disturbed with the horrifying 18+ content of what you said. Deeply. Why, lurker, why? I admit it, I can’t cope with what you said. I ADMIT IT.
6 b) she’s 1/8th french
6 c) am very much a prude.
Excuse no. 7: I REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS LOVE.
Excuse no. 8: Ok, I lied. I just am after doug and going to steal him from his woman.
LikeLike
Default contrarian
I’m only interested in Asian women, and there are no Asian women where I live. She would also have to be genuinely nice, demure and sensible (and definitely no drama, shit tests or blatantly irrational behavior). In short, it’s never going to happen.
Tarl
In what way do my messages meet this criteria?
gig
Do I want to “teach a lesson” to probably 99,99% of the human population? No, not really. Why would I, and what could I even do?
Dave’s approach is to treat the symptoms, not the cause, which is generally not a very good approach. He should have left his wife, but he doesn’t even realize that.
I’ve always hated flirting and this thread reminds me why.
LikeLike
Bhetti:
These excuses are just your own fear denying you the full pleasures of life.
“Are you in the porn business?”
—That depends. are you union?
” I have no skill.”
–only my impartial eye and penis can judge that.
“You could teach me but, according to some people, apparently I’d have to charge.”
—once I evaluate your skill level, we can talk about how you can compensate me.
“Long distance”
—-details, detail. The pound is up, the dollar is down–buy a plane ride, and see the best part of NY. My ceiling and floor.
” I REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS LOVE.”
—we do have it. We just need to test it every once in a while.
“I admit it, I can’t cope with what you said. ”
—don’t worry, my cock is a great coping mechanism.
“she’s 1/8th french”
—so I’ll make sure you don’t have to lick that part.
“am very much a prude.”
—-the cameras will roll in low light and be very tasteful.
“Ok, I lied. I just am after doug and going to steal him from his woman.”
–Slut. I REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS LOVE. Now you’ll have to come, just to make it up to me.
LikeLike
” there are no Asian women where I live. ”
—contrarian, your mom’s basement is really a one race town, isn’t it?
Hiyo!
LikeLike
contrarian:
“I’ve always hated flirting and this thread reminds me why.”
—and he wonders why he is doomed to be alone. Well, besides his winning personality.
LikeLike
Darth Maul
You are the one that likes to dissect comments posted on a blog. But if you don’t “give a merd” I hope that means we won’t see you again.
As you said, G-Man is unique. You, however, are a bore.
LikeLike
lol. Darth, you have been Pwned!
LikeLike
lurker:
It’s doug or nothing!
Also, are you… intoxicated?
LikeLike
db:
wow… that advice re revenge is really, really intense. if i had any shred of interest left in the guy, whiskey/the g’s approach would actually have more of an effect.
i agree, if that was what i was talking about. but i wasn’t. the goal in this post was to give advice on how to administer brutal comeuppance to a cheating whore. sweet revenge isn’t about re-igniting the girl’s passion for you; it’s about making her suffer.
LikeLike
Hope
I love your romantic/poetic view of the world. However, it is hard to flirt with:
Now this:
Provides a perfect flirting hook, where I can express my total disappointment at the lack of visual images to go with the poetic images above.
Now that is a hurtful neg. Kids these days are so mean and disrespectful.
LikeLike
darth maul:
This is for Roissy(and roissy only.)
It will take too long for me to do, but can you do an analysis of LILGRL banter here tonight as an example of game?
I love LILGRL banter with mr.M/dougjn/lurker/firepower/87. How she managed to hold court, kick arse and take names with all the so-called alphas. How she effectively and deftly handled all the cock/funny, arsehole games, the negs, the DHV, qualifiers, openers, and DLVs too. And in many cases turning them back around simultaneously and fluidly.
The best comment of the night, IMO, was when she royally owned lurker’s arse.
lurker says:“You break my heart”
LILGRL: It happens. SUCK IT UP. I’m kidding. Well, not really. I mean, it does happen.
lurker says: “the attention your bf isn’t capable of providing”
LILGRL: You may take that up with my boyfriend.
HAHAHAHAHA. OWNED.
And the way she offered firepower a cookie for guessing her ethnicity…after firepower begged for it.( “firepower”: i have the right answer, pretty please, give me a present! “LILGRL”: Here, good boy, have a cookie!.)
LOL. Priceless. LOL. DLVing “firepower” to oblivion.
Anyways, it will take too long a post for me to break it all down, analyzing various aspect of games in the conversation tonight, but, maybe as a post, you roissy can transcribe the banter and analyze it from the view point of game as a separate post. As an object lessons in game for these wannabe alphas. The only downside is that some of your regular commentators may not like the harsh criticism of Roissy on their weak game. As their pretty lies perish.
Real or not, LILGRL, it is nice to have you here. No offense to chicnoir/bhetti/sara/nicole, but it is good to have a “woman” who can school these fools.
*pass the popcorn*
(Like i said, this post is for roissy only. I do not want any reply to this from anybody. period).
i don’t read every comment. however, from the few comments i have read in this thread between lilgrl and her putative suitors, i agree — the “game” being displayed here by the men is awful, for some of the reasons you explained. needy, qualifying, self-deprecating, angry. not good.
some of you need to spend an afternoon reading the archives. i expect better in future. flirting online is fun, if you know what you’re doing.
LikeLike
lurker
Seeing as how I live alone in a second story apartment, I don’t see how you can make the claim that I live in my mom’s basement (she doesn’t even have one). Even if I did live in my mom’s hypothetical basement, it would not have any effect on the amount of Asians in this country.
Didn’t I just clearly explain why I’m doomed to be alone? What is there left to wonder?
LikeLike
contrarian, there are lots of Asians in Asia!
I have an older cousin in China. She’s extremely demure, quite pretty, works as a bank teller, and still lives with her mom. She’s never really dated seriously as far as I know. Her English is pretty terrible, though. She’s never been outside the country. Though, judging from the pictures of the Asian girls you posted, you prefer the heavily made up, super neotenous look, whereas she has more of a quiet and elegant appearance.
I mention her for more or less selfish reasons. We grew up together, and I miss her. I’d love to have more family members on my mother’s side close by, and she really does need a bit of help in the love department.
I play video games with kids 5-10 years younger than me on a regular basis. Many of them mingle easily with people older than themselves and display an astonishing amount of maturity, at least online.
LikeLike
Hope
So you are older then. What age group?
Your use of “old crowd” made me think you were a youngster. My “mean and disrespectful” comment was, of course, a joke.
LikeLike
flirting online is fun, provided a sexual resolution is logistically possible and thus an achievable goal.
if not, it’s merely a drill.
@hope:
Asian females are seemingly best candidates for makeup arts as the application enhances any structural deficiencies apparent to western males’ standards of beauty.
LikeLike
contrarian
They are inaccessible, either due to language barriers or due to the fact that one of us would have to move to the other one’s country, which would not work.
Heavily made up and super neotenous? These don’t ring any bells. Not sure what images you have been looking at.
Firepower
What structural deficiencies? It seems to me that Asian women have very good skin.
–
LikeLike
Really? It was? I was too old to get the joke. >.>
There are things called airplanes. And learning a new language. I wasn’t born in this country, nor were many of the immigrants to this nation. Technology enables us to communicate instantaneously and fly across the world in half a day. The longest non-stop flight is still less than 24 hours.
You are viewing the cause-and-effect of reality from a tiny, ego-centric perspective. Pan out and see that the world is more vast and open than the small room in which you are viewing these words.
Obstacles exist not solely in the externalities that one meets. The problems with which a single life consistently confronts for the entire duration of its existence are within oneself.
If you wallow in passivity, you will miss the point of your own life. You may still be young, but youth passes you by more quickly by the hour.
Those who do not participate but confine themselves to observation often whine and complain. They refuse to see that they themselves created the ball and chain by which they are strapped down. They are beholden to their own prison of reality, though it is easy to escape.
The path is, as always, yours alone to choose.
LikeLike
@Hope:
asian girls’ facial skin is indeed very soft, as are the other, softer areas relative to other races, ie their thighs and breasts are silkier than most others. I find black girls have incredibly soft skin.
I’m writing of the structural plane of their faces and the usual disproportion of their noses etc – that’s why they are Makeup Queens like Indians and Arab types. Melissa Lee on CNBC is a good example. haha- now I’m dhv’g like the other Titans of Finance here…
LikeLike
Gig, if you think it’s bullshit, try me.
I have nothing to gain here from bullshitting any of you. Y’all already think fat women and/or Black women are the embodiment of all evil or somesuch.
Do you think the embodiment of evil has any problem harming someone who has attempted to harm them?
LikeLike
Hope
Beautifully avoiding my question about your age. Nice try.
LikeLike
“It’s doug or nothing!”
—Bhetti, please don’t break my heart. I THOUGHT WE HAD LOVE.
LikeLike
“Even if I did live in my mom’s hypothetical basement, it would not have any effect on the amount of Asians in this country.”
—lol. Looks Mom’s basement dweller can’t understand sarcasm.
LikeLike
Nicole
You didn’t get it. I think it’s true. This is why I would be happier if I could just discard your comment as BS.
LikeLike
Cool studly alpha aka Default Stud –
Niiice, very appropriate I think! 😉
About flinching at women’s thoughts, I think that’s what a lot of men did in reaction to Sex in the City. I wasn’t a fan of the show, only saw bits and pieces of it (but did see the movie and liked the friendship angle, not the ‘old women that are confused-weird-superficial-wannabe gay male’ angle).
From the bits I did see of the show, despite the advanced age of the characters and generally wild lifestyles they seemed to have captured how women sometimes talk about men and realationships pretty well, like how women talk about weird quirks and confusing male behavior and stuff.
And I think men everywhere had reactions of flinching to hearing that? Not sure…sometimes I wonder if guys everywhere don’t hate on the ‘old spinster feminist gay male wannabe lifesyle influencing female society’ of the show’s characters as much as seeing how women will talk so casually and jokingly about topics that are kind of touchy for men.
Just some random thoughts… Again, wasn’t crazy for the show but I really enjoyed how female friendship was depicted in the movie – how we are there for each other and also hurt each other sometimes, female insecurity about losing a guy you really care about, thinking your friends are crazy but loving them any way, etc.
LikeLike
firepower –
You never replied whether it’s Alpha to let your piece pose online in rented underwear. Hurry, before “darth paul” interrupts and gives “his” opinion instead.
Hm. that would depend on some variables:
if she’s a new girl you’re not serious with, it’d be fun (wear 2 condoms).
if she’s a LTR gal and you just found out, it gets more complicated (more varied opinions). personally, i would adjust my mindset of the LTR (that is, lower my expectations and lower my future investments) and continue to bang her.
to anyone who actually read all of yesterday’s rubbish –
any comments as to my e-game, specifically?
someone mentioned above that e-game is a worthwhile skill; agree to a certain point (definitely not to the point of gaming in a forum). but, still interested in feedback.
LikeLike
lovelysexybeauty
Your “default stud.” The fallback. The in-case-of-emergencies.
I am hurt.
LikeLike
Hope
Moving to a very foreign country like Japan in my late thirties or early forties (by my estimates it will take at least that long until I will be in a position to hypothetically move) would be problematic. I would have no relevant job skills, so I don’t see what I could possibly do for a living over there. It would take quite a while before I’d become even semi-fluent in the language (learning how to read would take a long time). I’m also not sure how well I would fit into their society, and there’s always the possibility that our marriage wouldn’t work and we’d have to get a divorce. Then I’d have to come back here and start all over again (at a fairly late stage of my life).
No, it’s not as simple as learning a new language and hopping on a plane.
There are lots of Asians in the US, but emigrating there is apparently really fucking difficult.
Uh, what? I am sure there is more to my life than finding an Asian wife, and I’m also sure that real life isn’t as simple as you think it is.
Firepower
Somehow the structural features of their faces have not managed to offend my “Western male standards of beauty.”
lurker
Again, what mom’s basement? She does not have a basement and I don’t live with her.
LikeLike
Hope
Moving to a very foreign country like Japan in my late thirties or early forties (by my estimates it will take at least that long until I will be in a position to hypothetically move) would be problematic. I would have no relevant job skills, so I don’t see what I could possibly do for a living over there. It would take quite a while before I’d become even semi-fluent in the language (learning how to read would take a long time). I’m also not sure how well I would fit into their society, and there’s always the possibility that our marriage wouldn’t work and we’d have to get a divorce. Then I’d have to come back here and start all over again (at a fairly late stage of my life).
No, it’s not as simple as learning a new language and hopping on a plane.
There are lots of Asians in the US, but emigrating there is apparently really fucking difficult.
Uh, what? I am sure there is more to my life than finding an Asian wife, and I’m also sure that real life isn’t as simple as you think it is.
Firepower
Somehow the structural features of their faces have not managed to offend my “Western male standards of beauty.”
lurker
Again, what mom’s basement? She does not have a basement and I don’t live with her.
–
LikeLike
Oh and lilgirl is such a playette! Heehee Now I wanna read through all her comments again so I can learn to be more like that 😉
LikeLike
lovelysexybeauty
I saw some of the Sex and the City shows. They were usually good and well written.
Interesting to hear your observations. I always felt that it probably represented an exaggerated version of the truth (with a bit of gay male angst thrown in).
LikeLike
lurker:
LikeLike
Default – aw its not like that! Default Stud because you are a hot piece automatically… its in your nature, its your default! 😉
Ok enough sneaking on here by me, back to work… xo
LikeLike
Bhetti, its never too late for you to apologize to me.
LikeLike
Gig, those with good intentions have nothing to worry about from me. I’m not petty.
A guy I still care about, breaking up with me will make me sad, not angry. That’s just one of those things that happens in life. You win some, you lose some.
Someone purposefully attempting to exploit me will find me a very bad target. They won’t get what they wanted out of it.
In the romantic arena, it is a very rare occurence. Like some women have a jerk beacon, I have a nice guy beacon. When things go wrong, they’re usually nice guy going wrongs. It’s only in the past four years that I’ve even had to think along the lines of payback. I hadn’t any experience with someone harming me on purpose.
The one time it might have been on purpose, nature took care of it without any input on my part.
Like I said though, the best lesson about the vengeance thing for me was how not to get myself into situations where I would be likely to have to let the dark side out in the first place. Once you accept your own nature, it’s much easier to accept others’. The best “revenge” is proactively repelling and fending off people who have bad intentions.
LikeLike
lovelysexybeauty
Charmer!
LikeLike
@mr.m
it is indeed ironic, all the female contributors here, claiming alpha bfs, but posing for Maxim shots. experience has shown me alphas keep images as personal trophies displayed selectively. I’m not complaining; I love girlnextdoor ass mimicking Mila Kunis. I find it curious the number of posters gravitating, circling and sniffing around the testosterone of a blog dedicated to Alpha enhancement. it’s as though they seek what they don’t really possess.
@lovelysexybooty
if you wanna be as beloved as our new toy, just remove some layers and use a white wall as a backdrop. Be demure.
voila – instant infatuation!
LikeLike
Darth Maul
Who gives a rip who you want to reply?
I agree with you, LILGRL did end up holding court yesterday, while keeping overeager pests at bay, and having playful (and never nasty) fun with others (and some of the less bad pests).
As for me Darth, here’s the thing, I wasn’t gaming LILGRL yesterday. Many were trying to or practicing or whatever, but I wasn’t. I was just talking to her, because she’s interesting, and fun to talk to. I can’t say game ever gets completely turned off for me but it wasn’t what I was trying to do. It did get rather crowded even to just talk. I left early. Had things to do.
I agree with you though though LILGRL telling lurker to back off was done with finesse — just enough bite that it should have caused him to back off, while also sending a message to all those listening (who are capable of hearing) that she knows what’s up. In fact I let her know my appreciation of that move soon after she made it, far up thread. It was the first thing I said to her on this thread, after she’d “what doug said” me on my long post critiquing Roissy’s revenge strategy. I wasn’t interested in coming down on lurker, but rather just sending her a hint of acknowledgment:
What I admire is that she was as playful and gentle as she could be in sending him the message.
LILGRL for the first time opened up here, and on this thread became all kinds of open, in a teasing, tidbits sort of way, while answering lots of questions about her background beyond what most of this blog’s comment writers, male or female, will answer. The second thing I said to her was:
I then began carrying on short conversations with her and longer ones with Bhetti at the same time, and commented to a few guys. Bhetti had an interesting story from her high school days about alpha revenge manipulation that turned into fledgling D/s that we got into and discussed — but never mind that here.
This new teasing openness of hers did then generate so much interest (well her risqué pics didn’t hurt) that it became her holding court as more guys joined in. She quickly started getting all these way too early attempts to crudely eflirt with her before she’d shown any IOI for that to anyone. (Hey relax guys, it’s only play. She’s said repeatedly she’s got an alpha bf and I believe her. Probably.)
She had no such attempts to fend off from me, nor accordingly was I offered any cookie “rewards”, etc. I was just straight up talking to her, in between talking to others, until it remained too crowded. Hey, I’m only into eflirting on here if it happens easily, and then for me it’s just a little extra fun. (I’m in a live together relationship, among other things.) That’s not why I’m here. It’s a PUA and gender realism and men’s club blog for me.
LikeLike
lurker: Stop pretending this isn’t part of an elaborate revenge plot.
This post has shown me the light.
LikeLike
But what will be my final revenge….?
LikeLike
fire –
its not ironic at all. girls who post their pictures, or, make their pictures easily accessible want attention (errantwife, anyone?). internet provides them oodles of attention from anonymous men and/or women.
you can’t really tell if any female poster here has an alpha/beta bf, nor should you really care.
first and foremost this blog is a means to help me try to improve myself; as i would hope is the intent of most (some?) of the readers/commenters
LikeLike
Bhetti–
Ouuuch. Bhetti that’s just cruel. You’re better than that. You can fend me off more sweetly than THAT.
Father type I could, I guess, accept.
How ’bout daddy?
LikeLike
Just dropping in to just say this:
Gotta go.
The asian market(AUD/NZD) trading opens in 10 minutes or so. I need some sleep. Will be up again in 4 hours to start trading because that is when the Nikkei(tokyo) is open for business.
That is how we roll, baby. 24/7 bitches. All across the globe. Going with the flow.
In and out.
Fast and furious. Printing cash and banging coin.
KA- CHING!
To GIG, about trading.
Right now, i rely more on technical analysis(price action analysis) because fundamentals are relatively inadequate in this market. Nobody really knows the actual value of the assets in the books of these companies(financials). In fact, if i have been going by fundamentals, i would have lost a shitload of money since oct 2008.
I mainly rely on technical analysis and event-driven strategy for now, until this mess resolves itself. Of course, using options for protection too. (trading without option is like fucking without using a condom).
On deleveraging. I exploited that feature in the YEN carry trades….due to global stress and unwinding, as such, people deleverage–unwinding their carry trades–as such, i used to went long the YEN while shorting its crosses(AUD/NZD/GBP/CHF/EUR/CAD) to oblivion.
Remember the way it fucks the contango on the crack spread too? crude/natural gas arbitrage was fun to play.
The annoying thing is: My task is to scalp the market. Exploiting fluctations. Hit and run. Which i find sometimes very limiting. Exciting but limiting.
GIG works on wallstreet. Cool. wonder how many wallstreet types we have here at roissy blog.
Peace out.
LikeLike
Right now, i rely more on technical analysis(price action analysis) because fundamentals are relatively inadequate in this market
we have a new poseur.
LikeLike
lovelysexybeauty–
Yes. Recommended.
LikeLike
Bhetti–
You’re a volcano with a tight cork in, that’s rumbling to explode, is what you are girlfriend.
LikeLike
“””””””””””””””””on May 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm gig
Right now, i rely more on technical analysis(price action analysis) because fundamentals are relatively inadequate in this market
we have a new poseur.
“””””””””””””””””””””””””
Yea but cannon actually called faz at 5.00 and it went in a range of 4.61 to 5.88 today.
Hopefully cannon realizes you don’t need stock market to get rich you just need to save money. Then yea stocks can be more fun than gambling.
concrete item making 33 percent. Never loses.
Stocks make 100 percent 10 years 11th year lose it all.
Makes ya cocky when you always win so you don’t know or even think you can lose. Problem is you can. Unless you treat it just like work. Which makes it not fun. There lies the irony. When gaming woman totally becomes work it is not going to be fun. Even if you are successful at it.
Getting a couple scratch tickets fun. Buying rolls of scratch tickets becomes work.
“””””””””””on May 7, 2009 at 8:59 am Danger!
–G presents a believable front, with panache. What you neglect, is the importance of the panache.–
Bridge for sale, very historic, in a great neighborhood…
“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””‘
Why would people think the g man couldn’t be real. I mean you do think that there are people who make millions a year right. Why couldn’t he make 250k and do some travelling. When you go into a hotel and have loot. They call you by name. You enter another world. So G if he has spare money to throw around at the places he goes. The second time he goes there he will get treated very well by staff. Whats hard to fathom. Even a small amount of money to toss around will get you treated pretty well (like say a g a day). If you want to be a G you just need to get enough disposable income to never give a fuck about little shit. So yea you got to put in some time getting funds together. What is so hard to understand. When you have 250 a year coming in it will not make you a totally different person it will be opening a lot of doors though.
LikeLike
LILGRL
You should try it, it’s pretty good. Nothing to be afraid of.
No, really, there isn’t. Even if you end up really liking it.
I might like Thai better though. Indonesian is also fun.
LikeLike
Gunny–
I agree that the lifestyle that G Man paints is real. I do think he exaggerates the inerrancy of his swooping success, and the week in and week out volume of his numbers, and no doubt other things some, but the picture he paints (allowing for the fact that it’s airbrushed) is real all right.
$250k a year won’t cut it even when you’re single and have few to no responsibilities for the lifestyle G Man is portraying, in the places he talks about playing. Double or triple that or get to the same place after tax by not paying them, or token amounts under a cover business, if he’s actually a drug G rather than a trader.
LikeLike
If your a g shit actually gets cheaper too. Like I got the presidential for 1 a night. Instead of the 5 advertised. I got free meals where they had a chick play the violin for us. Had the whole family up in the suite and they sent up free food free champagne. Free massage. Got the business card from the head manager for two hotels to just call him if I needed anything. People appreciate when you have taste they also appreciate when you tip. You become the legend. When there are no tables in the bar they create one. When your woman feeds you at the table they are like who the fuck is this guy. You become the person they remember for years. A character a symbol of good times and a symbol of g. Therefore next time how much will it cost to be that symbol. I walk in a g.
LikeLike
Roissy –i don’t read every comment. however, from the few comments i have read in this thread between lilgrl and her putative suitors, i agree — the “game” being displayed here by the men is awful…. needy, qualifying, self-deprecating, angry. not good.
^^ this is GOLD. Is nobody listing? Let me spell it out: some of you fellas PLAYED YOURSELVES like typical overeager teenage boys! Your long-winded fawning and clumsy banter are PATHETIC. Yet hilarious. lmao. Incredible.
And does no one else find it strange that LILGRL’s dropped more personal-yet-somehow-perfect info in one thread than she has on her entire personal blog? SMH. Amateurs! Well, except her, she knows exactly what she’s doing. Love it.
LikeLike
Just like when I do this party. Normally nobody cooks a whole cow. I am gonna cook 2. Gonna cost me around 10k to throw the part of the decade. Gonna be able to create permenant memories for 100’s might get a couple thousand people and myself for some traded hours of my time. You give me 250k a year to play with. That is some serious memory creation.
LikeLike
Gunner – where is that party? I’m there.
LikeLike
Indo beginning of Jun
LikeLike
@ Darth Maul
I’m glad you like my girlgame. Even though girlgame really just consists of being hot. Conversation is just a plus.
As for your little plan, it’s not a bad one. Except for the little fact that we are on teh internets, and thus your ignoring me plan might not really work for or against you — I might just think that you, like many people, don’t have the time to read through hundreds of comments.
Also, unsure of why one would try to game me this way — what is the ultimate goal? CYBERSEX?! Because, uh, as hot and fulfilling as that is, we both have better things to do.
Like bulk up Roissy comment threads. 😉
@ Welmer
“What does she have to lose by endearing herself to men dedicated to advancing the cause of men? As a woman, she stands to gain a great deal.”
Truth!
@ lurker
Don’t worry, I’m a bad girl sometimes…only for one man, though.
@ doug1
Yes, the Vietnamese food I had that one time was great! Of course, let’s be serious, I’ll pretty much eat anything you put in front of me. I’m not as discerning as some of our readers here (apparently), and, well, my boyfriend is of the mindset that all gourmet food is for gay men.
LikeLike
Understanding women requires a state of severe intoxication. Imagine you are drunk and trying to drive in a straight line. The trick is to aim for the middle, which is, obviously, far more difficult than driving in an objectively real situation where you have your senses intact.
The problem with women is that having your senses and intellect intact is an impairment, because every path you see is an illusion, so sobriety is actually impairment — it is an inversion of reality as men see it. Therefore, being scatterbrained and inebriated actually gets you closer to the truth, because you can simply take the entire pile of bullshit and drive right through the center of it in order to better find your way to the truth of the matter on the other side.
I sincerely believe that the lower animals, such as toads and spiders, are better at divining the true intentions of women than the human male, and that is why women are so frightened by them.
LikeLike
Welmer – I sincerely believe that the lower animals, such as toads and spiders, are better at divining the true intentions of women than the human male, and that is why women are so frightened by them.
And yet they will kiss a few frogs.
Go figure.
LikeLike
Does it get any more alpha than a toad who can convince a princess to kiss him?
These stories are the key to understanding how a man can navigate through the maze of defenses women erect. Some very clever people who understood the true nature of women wrote these folk tales, and yet always we foolish men ignore received wisdom.
LikeLike
LILGRL–
Exactly.
Being hot is the cornerstone. But that isn’t enough to hold and keep playful court. It’s enough to attract a swarm but unless you have girlgame it becomes pushy and competitive or boring enough that you have to break away, or follow the usual pestered hot girl methodolgy. That’s to be either cold enough or rude and biting enough to get the pests to leave.
As well, though being hot will get the male attraction job done, it isn’t enough for interesting and/or playful conversation one on one either. You like that just as I do.
LikeLike
@ doug1
Oh, fo’ shizz yo.
Being hot isn’t everything. But it is is the reason girls don’t really need a ‘game’ movement ala boyGame. And yeah, it’s important. I wouldn’t have drawn in nearly as many people, were I anonymous/unattractive.
That doesn’t mean some of us girls don’t also know how to Play the Game 😉
I think it’s nice when everyone wins.
LikeLike
Intelligent girl.
Good luck, LILGRL, and make sure you have babies with an attractive man — you will be doing everyone a favor by bringing beautiful children into the world.
LikeLike
Welmer’s post about booze is the most profound insight I’ve read in years.
If only beer didn’t make you fat, dammit.
LikeLike
doug: You really don’t want to be considered 102? I have a thing for white hair… which is why medicine is the place, that’s where I’ll find ’em.
(Some jokes people shouldn’t make…!)
Can’t consider you a daddy figure, bit too young and fun. Maybe the wild child young uncle I have.
LikeLike
Welmer, just be aware that there are different versions of the Frog Prince story. In some of them he transforms when she throws him against a wall, but he still marries her.
In the ones where he gets her to kiss him, he has game.
LikeLike
Lilgirl, hot girls don’t need game, but us non hot girls do in order not to become eternal pump and dumps/stepping stones on the way to you.
A hot girl needs to have game for after the commitment is secured. Once he realizes you’re human, and that you shit, piss, sneeze, fart, and age like everyone else, hot isn’t going to be what keeps him around or faithful. There are an endless stream of hot girls being born all the time. Eventually, you won’t have the hotness to compete with them on the same level. So it would behoove you to pay attention around here.
LikeLike
I suddenly realized that the site’s white supremacists must be off duty since they haven’t attacked LILGRL and Hope for being dirty yellow people.
.
LikeLike
Contrarian, you seem to be confused about how these things work.
A lower status woman is disposable, but you don’t get in their pants by letting them know you think that in advance.
LikeLike
Bingo. So why do you need to move to Asia in order to find the kind of girl you might like? Why not move to some place like California or Hawaii, where you can’t escape them?
Ah, right. Because you’ve already determined that your “ideal” woman does not exist. I won’t try to convince you otherwise, but what I was trying to point out to you in my convoluted phrasing is that right now, you are your own biggest enemy.
There certainly is. Life is what you make of it. The elegant simplicity of this advice is not changed by life’s subtle complexities.
I do apologize for my continuous dispensing of unsolicited advice. I have glimpsed what could be, and I sometimes project that vision onto those who are not ready for it.
LikeLike
Default User
Nice to see you back.
Thanks. I’m stuck here with nothing to do today (long story) and this blog is as close to nothing as I can think of.
So how was epiphany?
Who?
LikeLike
darth maul qualifies more than a drunken divorcee on a barstool after 5 Cosmos.
@mr. m
“you can’t really tell if any female poster here has an alpha/beta bf, nor should you really care.”
sarcasm is The Lost Art of the interwebz. The hotter the chick, the more likely it is a fake pic. lilgrl is not real – I’ll bet you big money it’s a chubby asiantrannyboy in a hoya bballers dormroom. Besides, the only chick that really wants my epenis is finefantastic, provided kassy keeps us fortified with blintzes so our stamina remains firm.
“first and foremost this blog is a means to help me try to improve myself; as i would hope is the intent of most (some?) of the readers/commenters”
Never rely upon the kindness of strangers, no matter what Blance DuBois recommended: look how it turned out for her.
LikeLike
sara I
Did not see this reply before I posed the same question in another post.
You left here a while ago claiming an “epiphany.” Some suspected that “epiphany” migh have been man (and good for you).
I am sorry to hear that I, and the others, are “nothing” to you. Mean girl. 🙂
LikeLike
ContrainI’m only interested in Asian women, and there are no Asian women where I live. She would also have to be genuinely nice, demure and sensible (and definitely no drama, shit tests or blatantly irrational behavior). In short, it’s never going to happen
Then move to where you can find them. You can always secure a job as an ESL teacher in China*, Japan or Korea. You don’t have to be a speaker of an Asian language to secure such a job. You are a WM so your transition should be somewhat easier than that of the numerous BF who are doing such work in Asia. If you need inspiration, google ex.pat jane, she is a blk female who has lived and worked in South Korea for a few years. She has links to more blks working in Asia on her blog. Good luck, I just hope you aren’t pulling a DA .
DA likes to complain about not having no game but refuses to go to the library to pick up books that can help him.
* IIRC, you need to be debt free to work in China.
LikeLike
Hope
As I said, emigrating to the US is extremely difficult. And really, moving to a different country for the slim, slim chance of finding a suitable girlfriend? Quite foolish.
chic noir
I’m not a native speaker, and I’m not suited to a teaching job.
LikeLike
contrarian I’m not a native speaker, and I’m not suited to a teaching job.
So what is your background? Where are you originally from? what sort of coloring do you have?
LikeLike
Our surreal friend once hinted to being Finnish.
LikeLike
thanks PA. well that explains part of it, I guess.
LikeLike
<
Ohh, silly me for assuming you were American.
I’ve never known any Europeans in a nation with a low immigrant population to have a thing for Asians. That’s rather odd. How is it that you became sexually attracted to women you’ve never or hardly interacted with in person?
LikeLike
Hope
Beats me. When I got an Internet connection in 1997, I became attracted to Japanese women very quickly. Kyoko Fukada was one of my favorites at the time.
LikeLike
LMAO
“Not a very good approach?” I’m going on 11 years of a LTR – marriage – of which the last 3 have been better than even our honeymoon years…all with a hot, voloptuous hapa french/filipina wife, who at the past her prime age of 34, is still hit on daily at her job by strangers and is still carded regularly because people still cannot tell if shes 21 or not.
I learned that I was in fact misinterpreting the symptoms as the cause. Once I fixed the cause (my Beta behavior), all those “symptoms” are now long gone.
You’re hilarious, BetaGrist. You who think you can determine a “quality” woman by reasoning with her logically.
The more you write here, the more obvious it becomes that you have never had a substantial, meaningful relationship with any real-world woman…which is probably why you have put yourself into a living situation where you can make all the excuses you want too justify your lack of meaningful female companionship.
You are only attracted to Asians…yet you don’t live near enough to the type that you are attracted to, and you don’t really want to make an effort to pursue the type of woman you are attracted to.
In short, your DA without the introspective, intellectual honesty to admit that you are a failure at engaging in a relationship with females.
At least DA admits his mating failure is due to his own behavior and his unwillingness to change it. You, on the other hand, have constructed quite a facade of rationalizations and justifications as to why you beat off to Japanese school girl pics on the internet, instead of actually trying to have sex with a living, breathing female.
LikeLike
Contrarian:
Finnish? Well that explains the combative directness I suppose. Feisty… well the finns did manage to fight off the soviets, so it can’t exactly be a bad trait…
Advice, for what it is worth. Mate, think Vancouver.
British Columbia, Dominion of Canada. Part of the British Commonweath. I have no idea what the regulations are for EU citizens, but you are bound to have an easier time getting in for an extended period of time than we Americans.
Of course You can “roll in there like a G, flash your bankroll and share some e-tabs with all of the pretty Asian girls there.”
For the record, that was an attempt at humor. Try not to laugh standing up.
In all seriousness, Vancouver has a huge Asian population, some quite settled, but some quite off the boat.
Interracial dating between whites and Asians seems pretty accepted. Chinese, Vietnamese, and Japanese all seem to have a large expat base though the Chinese outnumber everyone. The last I was there I noticed a strange mix of traditional values and North American values.
You owe it to yourself to check it out. Just explore the city. It is quite international. Commercial drive has some independent coffee shops. Burrard Street has a nice crepe place that fashionable sorts hang out in. find a nice venue that seems to cater to respectable girls, and try to catch one of their eyes, smile, and approach and be sincere and genuine. LOTS of independent coffeeshops can be found. One of my favorite ones is down Broadway, about, eh, I forget, 3 mile from the campus of UBC. It’s a couple of blocks up street from a major metaphysical bookstore (how is that for a landmark)
All the while looking to swoop your perfect feminine demure young Asian lass. There are tens of thousands in the city, I’ve never seen an ugly one there, I have no doubt that you can find what you are looking for.
I noticed a lot of intelligent, demure, Asian entrepreneurs. Smart ladies.
For a bastion of socialism British Columbia does more to foster entrepreneurship than any American city I’ve ever lived in. IF you can prove a sizable net worth you can go in under a sort of business visa, IF you have hot skills (British Columbia has a vacancy of graphic designers, oddly enough) then you may be able to market yourself to an employer, though they do have to do an exhaustive search for Canadian candidates.
I believe that if you are a European you will find Canada more to your liking than the USA, anyway.
Vancouver is a port city, if you know a thing or two about Import Export you can make connections there. Entrepreneur Press has a good book on Import Export startups, read it twice, ignore ANY trade lead bbs, Read Schmittoff’s “Export Trade” 9th edition and have a go at it. Go there, hit up local importers, network, etc., perhaps you can serve as an intermediary, an independent agent, matching up exporters from your homeland with importers there. Or if you are a man of financial means you don’t have to worry about this…
Just ideas good man. Ideas, feel free to piss over them or to actually give them a try.
I honestly wish you well and hope you find what you are looking for.
LikeLike
It’s obvious that he throws in some manly bravado and exaggeration there, as befits any real G. But every real G knows how to tell a story, with style, right?
Excessively heavy bank-roll jokes aside, I agree with you.
Folks, most people are too set in their ways or just chicken shit to realize that the world can be their oyster. I know men making less than $250K a year who are able to live a rather stylish high roller’s lifestyle.
Tip well, corner a few places and make them into your local HQ, get to know the staff and managers, HAVE SOME CHARM, be not uncouth, and you will be treated like royalty.
Being known as a gentleman around town at the right dining and drinking spots doesn’t take a million, it simply takes some couth, sensitivity, good tipping habits, and a bit ‘o seduction.. of the staff. Everyone likes being seduced, in a manner of speaking, everyone likes being treated well and if you treat them well you will end up with perks.
There is an art to the comp. Learn how to comp people,
-As for funds, its a day traders market people, companies with good fundamentals were penny stocks for a while, I got out of some NICE positions much too early, mainly out of cowardice, but learn a bit about technical analysis, look for major gainers, try to spot patterns persisting for more than 3 days, and just try to get in at or near a daily low, and get out at or near a daily high, or if there is a run-up and bandwagon effect, give it a couple of days then exercise discipline and get out. If you have $5k saved up, and your monthly needs are all taken care of, then you have no excuse. Just don’t play with money you can’t afford to loose.
Custom suits, there are saville row trained tailors in Hong Kong that can fix you up with a true bespoke suit for much less than London. In fact there are a couple of London Saville row tailors on lean times offering specials as well.
Brioni, I have no advice for. I can’t afford new Brioni, plus I prefer armani cuts anyway.. that said Ebay does sometimes have new unaltered Brioni floating around.
I like vintage bespoke myself, 1930’s or 50’s style, fits my working class origins. I’m a clever peasant, so I like to wear the best I can, at the cheapest prices.
Guys over the pond.. I’ve noticed a couple of good vintage shops in London.
Guys in the US, most local shops in city’s I’ve been to do not get much good by way of suits and sport coats. But there is always ebay. I hate giving away my secrets but.. I am a generous man. To a T.
Giving out E-tabs to silly bints all over the place…
Well, I would never advocate drug dealing. But even this part of The G’s persona isn’t too hard to pull off. E dealers are a dime a dozen, they roll in cash, and fly girls do like them. However it comes with penitentiary risks, and there are better, more legit, ways to make money. like Import export..
Or cigarette smuggling. For the record, that was a joke. I would never advocate that, it’s a felony after all.
One thing I learned in life was this. The guy in the bar with the most exaggerated and bizarre smuggling stories… is telling the truth 8 times out of 10.
His audience’s lack of imagination and will prevents them from realizing this and frankly living the life he is. One of my best friends was a diamond and opal smuggler, worked a day job at a print shop, drove a hoopdie, and taught me import export. No one believed him, even when he was pulling rough emeralds out his pocket, giving them to the girls at starbucks and playing with wads of roubles, and spinning the most bizarre tall tales.
Sadly he died in mysterious circumstances. With an apartment chock full of the most… interesting things that, eh, confirmed his lifestyle to doubting friends.
Conclusion: the G is probably a real G, with some creative license for exaggeration but probably real.
LikeLike
Girls kissing each other is so sexy, your site is great, i love it.
LikeLike