Take a look at this photo…
A reader, who obviously remembers the first installment of ‘Open This Set’, sent me the above photo along with the following challenge to my manhood:
Attached is a set. Your target is second from right, against the pillar.
Go.
I accept this mission.
One, I would approach this four set obliquely, by myself, as if I was walking past them on my way to get free drinks from prettier women. I understand the wisdom of entering sets alone and having a wing step in later if necessary. After all, what will a woman deem more courageous and alpha? A solo rebel or a man riding point with moral support from his wolfpack?
Since this is an all-female set I can be flirty and edgy right away. No need to ease in slowly and assure a bunch of guy friends that I am not a threat. I notice a few things in the split second before opening — lots of half-empty drinks and a bottle, dyed hair, phallic toy (bachelorette party?) being held by girl with loudest fashion sense (attention whore), older brunette is the mother hen, two girls on right closer to each other than they are to the other two, girl in purple is the neediest (conspicuous lean-in), all four sitting on couch (possible bottle service? girls’ night out?), and most importantly… the target (second from right) has her hand wedged deep between her legs with her knees pressed together tightly. She is ovulating and horny. Her vulva rubs against the sheer fabric of her black tights. She will respond very well to a neg because ovulating girls are the ones most aroused by dominant men.
There are two options for opening here. Either go simple and straightforward, or go situational. Both are effective. An easy-to-remember generic opener, and one that would work well for men who sometimes experience brain lock on the approach, is a Roosh-style opener. For example:
“You guys look like you’re having the most fun of anyone here.”
The opener I would use for this set would be situational. The situational opener, a little more advanced as it requires thinking on your feet, has to focus on something unique about them and their immediate surroundings. I would stop halfway between, look over my shoulder, and address the girl most likely to cockblock — the American Bitch with the penis toy:
“You’re not holding it right. You want to pull it off? Figures. I feel sorry for your husband.”
Some laughing and shrieking would ensue, American Bitch would insist she doesn’t have a husband (I knew this already because I took note of the lack of a ring), and then I would propel the banter forward by accusing them of being another lame bachelorette party. I would wonder aloud if their fiancees knew what they were up to tonight. This baits them to give me vital information on who is in a serious relationship. Then I would turn my attention to my target and unload a neg:
“You look uncomfortable with that toy so close to you.”
I would then quickly address the two on the left. “Do you guys have to drag her kicking and screaming into having a good time?” Smirking, of course. Consider the smirk the .44 Magnum of the inveterate player. It always hits what it aims for and removes bitch shields like it removes fingerprints.
I’ve just flipped the frame from trying to earn their approval, to having them defend the group dynamic of their unimpressive girl fiefdom. It goes well (it always does because I am James Motherfucking Bond) and I motion for one of my boys to come over so we can either get these girls up off the couch or nudge them apart by sitting down with them. Sitting on the couch while I stand is a power position for them, and stripping them of that power is of the utmost urgency.
Now it’s your turn.
Go.
Pretty good. How would you then isolate the target?
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I see them laughing at Roissy’s jokes, after the head nod from him , I come over and jokingly go for the far two on the left (including the cock block mother hen) and say,
“hey, why are you ladies giving my boy such a hard time?”
Then I turn to Roissy and say,
“See, I told you Bachelorette parties are nothing but trouble”
Three things, established I was Boys with Roissy , doubled down on his neg making them have to prove themselves to two judges now, and I split up the group so Roissy can work on his target and the friend / divide and conquer.
I’d focus on the brunette cock blocker and joke around battling her asking what’s she’s doing here since this is a place for people who know how to party and have fun not frown all night. Getting more details and laughs, I then nod to the Rookie and he comes in later to work on the other girl Roissy is effectively isolating Roissy with the target.
Listen people we do this all night and have the dance to a science by now, fall back and take notes… please don’t try this at home
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How would you then isolate the target?
“stand up, i want to show you something.”
what you say doesn’t have to make perfect sense. it’s enough to know that girls instinctually assume the submissive position when commanded by a man.
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*Roissy is talking with
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From left to right:
Hideous pedophilic Bald Eagle
GNP
Landing strip
Hideous pedophilic Bald Eagle.
Not much of a choice, is it?
Peter
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Is that a dildo the one on the right is holding?
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Ooops, should read the text before looking at the pix.
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“Is that a dildo the one on the right is holding?”
You win the prize!
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Off topic, but Jason Malloy (gnxp) and Ron Guhname (Inductivist) are discussing how promiscuous gay men are again. From some of the asides, it appears that really dumb hetero guys have the most sex partners.
See here. Hetero guys with a Wordsum of 1 report an average of 123 partners!
The main posts are here and here.
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Point to the dildo and ask: “so who is your little friend?”
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“..has her hand wedged deep between her legs with her knees pressed together tightly. She is ovulating and horny. .”
I read the same thing somewhere else about body language, but I always wondered if this was true.
No longer a doubt in my mind now.
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Vk and Roissy:
Is Tyler the new addition to your team?
Since VK said,”rookie.”
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“I read the same thing somewhere else about body language, but I always wondered if this was true.
No longer a doubt in my mind now.”
I hadn’t known it before, but I’m damn glad to know it now.
On that note, anybody got a list of body language signals that indicate a woman is horny? I know most of the “interested” signals, but I don’t know if I know all the “horny” signals.
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Looks like a Bacherorette Party. Those can be fun, as long as you are not hitting on the bride.
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it appears that really dumb hetero guys have the most sex partners
Underclass for the most part, presumably.
They’re not picky. While I wouldn’t touch anything under a 6 (under a 4 if drunk), underclass males of any race bang creatures in the 1-2 looks range.
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Always interesting to watch the White Guys do it. My own experience is that such a thing would not have gone down in a Black setting in such a way; all things being equal, being oblique and “chatty” makes you come off as Gay.
No dis there, I’m just sayin’; the same thought crossed my mind as I was reading The Game and Mystery Method.
Not too long back I was hanging w/some buds here in Philly and we all went to a lounge spot on Rittenhouse Square. Aside from myself, there was only one other Brotha in the group.
I watched him pretty much do what Roissy described above, as the “set” he approached was made up of all White Women. Clearly, he was well studied and practiced in this style of approach and from what I could tell, he was successful as well.
Having said that though, he also had what I would call an “Obama air” about him-he wasn’t “too Black” in his appearance and most especially from my POV, his speech patterns-and by this, please, I don’t mean “Ebonics”-I mean in terms of intonation, voice inflection (his voice wasn’t too deep for example) and so on. I took it all as a very interesting kind of social experiment, since I don’t usually hang in that area of town, and by the looks of the place, neither does most of Philly’s Black denizens.
Anyway, just wanted to note those observations.
The Obsidian
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“hey, why are you ladies giving my boy such a hard time?”
I prefer something a bit more cocky-funny. ‘Giving my boy a hard time’ could imply they are mean to him.
Mine:
“Are you guys hitting on my boy? Hands off or I’ll have to throw you into a pile with all the other girls.”
You can keep going with the whole I’m-his-bodyguard routine, ‘girls have been hitting on him all night.’
When you wing, using cocky-funny on your friend works just as well as using cocky funny on your own alone. It shows you guys are tight and amps it up the attraction for both of you.
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Obsidian:
I would guess the difference comes from the relatively higher quantity of testosterone black men have. The key to picking up chicks is to be out there enough to draw interest, but not far out enough to trigger avoidance mechanisms. For a lot of white chicks, testosterone-laden behavior will just trigger those avoidance mechanisms.
That might also explain the lack of white men dating black women: the high testosterone behavior that black women will respond to will be a lot harder for most white men to fake. If they try to be “out there” by being less testosterone-laden, they will come across as more effeminate, reducing the odds of success. All things considered, its a time loss compared to hitting on white and especially asian chicks.
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Eric Disco,
That’s exactly what I want to imply. I want them to second guess themselves for a second, they thought they were having fun and laughing, but wait do they come off as being rude or looking like bitches, but then when I start with the second line and jokes, we go back to the laughing….
Game isn’t really about what you say, it’s catching the emotional wave and knowing how to ride it to the end… duh
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Obsidian:
I’ve noticed the same thing,”game” or indirect game doesn’t work to well with the sistahs. Except for black women who grew up around white people.
Do you have a method or plan in order to effectively game them?
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They’re not picky. While I wouldn’t touch anything under a 6 (under a 4 if drunk), underclass males of any race bang creatures in the 1-2 looks range.
All too accurate. Some guys will just bang anything. Number of partners != game.
Still, 123! As the mean.
More personally, my absolute refusal to even consider anything under a 7 has been a serious impediment to me all my life. Artsy guy + high IQ + no game = beer budget, champagne tastes.
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PA,
W/all due respect, I think you’re presumption may be a bit premature.
As has been stated many times, Men being horny isn’t a class thing, it’s a dick thing, and “underclass” guys are no more or less inclined to bang “1s & 2s” than guys of the upperclasses; indeed, history bears this out-how many noblemen and the like have had their way w/the homely maid because he could? And because he was horny? The only difference, then and now, is that Mr. Mucky Muck had the means to keep his letches on the downlow. Men of lesser means don’t.
O
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Obsidian
I am shocked that Obsidian is bringing up race. Shocked.
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I feel intuitively that dildo-holder or mother hen are the best possibilities for same night hookup. White (proposed target) seems sort of vacant to me. Although it could just be a photographic moment taken out of context. Obviously my opener focuses on the dildo. I like to play sets of more than 2 against each other whenever possible, and do so immediately. And lately I’ve been tending to straight asshole opens in an attempt to polarize groups like this.
I’d ask dildo holder:
“Are you going to teach her (point at mother hen) how to use that thing, or what? You know she needs some instruction”
Depending on how that moment unfolds logistically (who can hear, where I am etc), I’m hoping for either (i) private conversation with dildo holder about how mother hen seems uptight; or (ii) group discussion about why mother hen needs to learn how to use a dildo. Option 1 allows me to isolate dildo holder; imply that she is the cool one, b/c her friend seems uptight. Option 2 will result in some public embarrassment of mother hen, a bold gambit to be sure – this will cause mother hen to attempt to kick me out immediately, or engage me to defend her sexuality, ultimately proving herself by draining my balls later that evening. In the club bathroom.
This is the efficient approach: I need to know if they love my asshole attitude or want me gone within 5 minutes.
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-I am shocked that Obsidian is bringing up race. Shocked.-
For once, contrarian is right!! Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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“underclass” guys are no more or less inclined to bang “1s & 2s”
That is ridiculous.
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Uh, lads… Look at the focus dynamic in the group. It is a bachelorette party, and the target is the bride.
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It looks like Mother Hen’s left hand is on Target’s ass.
Peter
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I think you’re right, Wolfie.
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Howard Roark–
That strategy sounds pretty bad. Coming straight out of the bag with “crude, overtly sexual asshole” has never worked for me, anyway. Basically, it announces your intents way too early and way too forcefully. It would probably engender looks of disdain and high voltage IODs/shit tests that are going to be a pain in the ass to pass when you could’ve avoided them with a more sophisticated opener such as roissy’s. Roissy’s is good because it plays the “false disqualification” card pretty heavily (‘you’re doing it wrong…I feel sorry for your husband’), and also demonstrates higher value in the form by telegraphing an appearance of being sexually experienced (‘you wanna pull it off?’ + the over the shoulder, just-passing-by-on-the-way-to-other-girls delivery). Your opener, on the other hand, just makes you come off like an pushy, aggressive pervert. In my experience, you have to be a particular KIND of asshole to run proper asshole game.
As VK said, though, its not so much what you say but how you say it, so I guess it could still work.
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I’d lean in and in a low voice whisper that I think the girl the 2nd from the left has a stain on her shirt. A neg, situational, which cues that you are observant and suffices to initially ignore the target. I’d also go with the qualifier about them being a lame bachelorette party.
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LOL at “indirect” doesn’t work well with black women. Lame keyboard jockeys. Don’t even know what “indirect” is.
Try that “tough guy” game @ the Park and you’ll be standing on the sidelines like the rest of the squares trying to look hard. That bs don’t even work @ Jasper’s.
Even if you were @ a real hood spot, you still have to spit to get them broads to stop looking @ the door waiting for Barack to dip out on Chelle.
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Roissy,
“A solo rebel or a man riding point with moral support from his wolfpack?”
Bullseye. That is why I always roll Dolo.
You pretty much nailed this (so to speak) except this part:
“I motion for one of my boys to come over so we can either get these girls up off the couch or nudge them apart by sitting down with them.”
The more G move is to keep all 4 girls attention and control them with:
witty banter
negs
open ended questions
subtly flashing a ridiculous bankroll
a few Zippo tricks
keeping the booze flowing, maybe a split E-Tab
story telling about interesting things like last summer at the French Riviera and how you will return in July
Flashing the contrasting interior of your Custom Suit
etc.
Then the move is to get ALL 4 girls back to your crib for some Tempranillo.
Then Swoop ALL four girls in a night of untamed passion.
That my new move: No isolation of one target. Swoop all the girls instead.
You should look into it.
Real innovative.
– MPM
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Relax, Contrarian; its all Love here. Just talking about the Human Family, is all, and that kind of thing fascinates me. Have a Coke & a Smile.
Schoolboy, Mike,
Good points. Before I address them I’d just like to add a bit to what I said about the other Brotha I mentioned that night while hanging out-I won’t mention his name of course.
When I said he was kinda “Obama-esque” I’m not kidding-he was tall, at least 6′ and thin/angular like Obama, and also shared his complexion. Additionally, he had rather long locs, which looked good on him and he was a good looking guy overall, definitely a plus, as Roissy himself has stated recently. All of this, to my mind, gave him a kind of “ecletic, exotic” look which made him standout from the rest of the almost entirely White guys, while at the same time, differentiated himself from the more, shall we say, garden variety Black guy, if that makes sense. Again, it was a very interesting thing to observe, and again, the group of gals he approached weren’t unlike the group that appeared in the pic above.
Mike, I think what you said is definitely on point-White Women, at least those of a particular background and class, do to my mind tend to be, if not put off, at the least is a bit cautious about, a more “Black” approach-it may suggest a “coming on too strong” vibe or something. My own view is that Anglo culture, particular its middle class sections of it, tend to value obliquity more than straightforwardness in general, so it would make sense for this to carryover into the mating dance.
Anyway, when I’m in places like that which I described, I’ll sometimes unfurl a few experiments just to see what happens, and Mike, again I think you’re right-a dusky-hued cutie-who appeared to me to be either Italian or Jewish-walked by w/a flock of her lady friends. Since I like big boobs and she had on a lowcut sweater revealing quite a bit, I instantly broke what I was talking about, took a step out of my circle and a half step into her path and asked “Didn’t I see you upstairs”?
Her: No, I just got here.
O: you sure you weren’t upstairs? Sitting over in the corner w/some other Women? I saw you up there because I was there hanging w/some buds of mine (where I said Obama-loc Brotha run his version of Roissy-inspired Game on the all White Gal set).
Her: No, I think you might have me mistaken for someone else…
O: *visibly looking down at her cleavage* I think not. Come here, lemme holla at you for a minute (taking her by the arm and drawing her to me and away from her friends, just a step or two back into my circle)
Her name was Maria, she was indeed Italian, and she had a boyfriend, which I found out about some 10 minutes int the convo-I don’t think I need to explain what that was all about. If I really wanted to, I could’ve full-court-pressed her, but her friends were there, and I was just hanging out w/buds, so I did catch and release. But yea, the diference between my and my Brotha’s approaches were like night and day.
Schoolboy, I agree w/what you’re saying, acculturation does indeed play a role-however, if you get the chance, try and look up Essence magazine circa its year 2000 issues. One of them covered why BAPs go in for Thugs. Being brought up in the Boonies aint insignificant, but like my man Deacon Frost says, in the end, the Thirst, always Wins.
O
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isolate the target?
hell, id just as soon get in where i fit in and talk to whoever is closest
i know thats not the point, but the four girls in this picture are interchangeable – all about the same level of hot, no older mother hen, no token ugly chick, no token fat chick, no hot-girl-on-a-bad-day to diversify things a little.
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I prefer situational openers, that being said that looks like a Homer Simpson’s visage on the dildo so its kinda of a golden opportunity.
Open the dildo bearer. “That looks like Homer Simpson on that dildo. If you’re getting off on a face like that it means someone just isn’t getting the job done.” *smirk*
I’d follow up the response by asking, “does it say “doh!” if you don’t get off?”
Take it from there.
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Thursday,
Please explain why you disagree w/my reply to PA’s post? Thanks.
O
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G-Man,
Glad to see you back in action. Wanted to get your opinion.
I finally had the chance to peep Quantum of Solace recently; according to what I was able to dig up in terms of its filming and production, the chief designer of Daniel Craig/James Bond’s suits was Tom Ford of Gucci fame. I thought he looked good, but as you’re something of a self-professed expert in this area, I wanted to get your view.
Tom Ford suits-buy or no buy, and why?
Holla back-and Thanks.
O
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G Manifesto:
“Swoop ALL four girls in a night of untamed passion.
That my new move: No isolation of one target. Swoop all the girls instead.
You should look into it.
Real innovative.”
Yeah, but that can blow up in your face if the set includes the Token Ugly Girl
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Apeman,
You speak as if I said something that was inapproriate. I thought my observation, followed up by a direct experience I had in a similar environment, was something highly legitimate. Now I can understand if you and perhaps others don’t really care how of if this applies in any way, shape or form to Black folks, and hey, all well and good. But it’s of interest to ME, and as such, I will opine as I deem appropriate.
Now, be a good lad, and please pass the salt?
O
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Obsidian,
I haven’t seen Quantum of Solace, but I know Tom Ford has some skills. I think Brioni made his suits in the previous Bond with Craig.
Pretty smooth, although I dress way sharper with more of a laid back International Playboy flair that Bond lacks at times.
Brosnan I believe was dressed in Brioni as well.
Not sure about Roger Moore and Connery was Savile Row I believe.
In the books, Bond never mentions his tailor (coincidentally, nor do I) but it is assumed to be Savile Row.
The key thing to remember is wear what makes you look good and feel good.
And go with good fabrics and immaculate cuts.
In closing, always remember, The G makes the clothes, the clothes don’t make The G.
– MPM
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mr. greed
“Yeah, but that can blow up in your face if the set includes the Token Ugly Girl”
You can always use “the Token Ugly Girl” for something:
Opening bottles of Vino
Chopping Lines
Splitting E-Tabs
Cleaning up wine spills
Cigarette Runs
Grabbing more condoms etc.
But you are right, like everything in Game, it is not universal.
– MPM
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I would approach with a confident opener such as squeezing in between them and saying “Excuse me” (and then immediately sit down next to my target).
Then I would say, “sorry I’m late ladies, didn’t start without me did you?”
I would neg my target by starting conversation with the cockblock. Then teasing about the penis toy. I would then turn to my target and ask her why she has been so quiet, because of the toy?
I think I would have the ability to bring friends in from that point, then I can isolate the target and move her to another part of the club with me alone (leading her by her hand of course).
I would go for fuck/make-out close. Or do a number close where I have her write her number/something cute so i can remember her by on a bar napkin. I would write my number down on a napkin with a little drawing of two stick figures holding hands with “Me” under one and “You” under the other.
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just curious – would all guys on here choose the same target for themselves? why her as opposed to the others?
that selection process is as interesting to me as your thoughts on the approach.
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G-Man,
Didn’t know that bit about Brosnan and Connery, thanks, man. And yea, ideally, the Man should be wearing (making) the gear, not the other way around.
Thanks again.
O
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Obsidian said:
“White Women, at least those of a particular background and class, do to my mind tend to be, if not put off, at the least is a bit cautious about, a more “Black” approach-it may suggest a “coming on too strong” vibe or something. My own view is that Anglo culture, particular its middle class sections of it, tend to value obliquity more than straightforwardness in general, so it would make sense for this to carryover into the mating dance.”
I am a black man who dates mainly white women.
I found out, through trial and error, that the direct “black” approach probably worked better for me.
Why?
Because every time I’d try to be oblique, I wound up getting friend-zoned in some way…I’d invite them out to lunch, and they’d think all I wanted was just that: to invite them out to lunch. Or they’d be like “oh wow, lunch! That would be fun!We could invite a few friends…”
That shit had to stop.
As soon as I just came out and SAID “I think you’re hot and would like to go on a date with you,” rather than just HINTING at it, that’s when I started making progress and getting some pussy. No more of this “I thought you were being friendly” shite.
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db: I’d go for the one on the far left, or the mother figure, assuming that second-from-the-right is indeed the bride to be (either that, or its her birthday party. She’s definitely the center of attention, and the ridiculous dildo screams out bachelorette party). The one on the far right is cute, but something in her eyes does suggest a fundamental unpleasantness. Far left is much cuter than the mother figure, but I suspect she might bore me to tears.
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DB,
Well, I suppose I would go for the gal w/her hand between her legs; something about the dildo-weilding gal puts me off quite frankly. I could be wrong about the whole thing, given that all we have to go on is a photo, but there it is.
The other two gals don’t really do anything much for me personally. So again, Ms. Hand In Crotch would be the Target, if at all.
O
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DB said:
“just curious – would all guys on here choose the same target for themselves? why her as opposed to the others?
that selection process is as interesting to me as your thoughts on the approach.”
that is what ive been saying. all four women in that photo look about the same cute to me. none of them are ugly – i could pick a target just by going eenie meanie miney moe!
so the one with the dildo is the mama hen? hell, id try to talk to HER!
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oooh!!! related to yesterday’s post re revenge: some guy did exactly as suggested. lol…
http://dlisted.com/node/31942
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Hi Rise,
Very interesting comments. If I may, can I ask-do you look anything similar to the Brotha I described earlier? Or do you have a more “typical” “Black” look? Or what?
Also: if I may, what kind of White Women were you approaching?
I’m not trying to pry in your business, man, just trying to get a handle on the different things we’ve seen.
Thanks.
O
PS: I’m curious-why do you choose to date White Women over Black?
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db
I presume the target was picked just for test purposes.
For me they are all fairly generic. If the dark haired one were better looking she would be my choice.
Dildo girl: Cutie look and smile, could be a fun little minx, could be crazy.
Original target: Looks older, still attractive enough. Probably my choice.
[The above two strike me as more ready for seduction]
Dark hair: Probably closer to my usual preference but still a bit blah.
Purple Blonde: Looks like an ex (an ex I am glad is an ex).
[The above two strike me as less ready for seduction]
It would come down to logistics – which was hot to trot.
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Why would your target be the worst looking one of the group?
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After opening the set, roissy gets laid and does the name-calling routine. Hey, how else is she going to know just how attractively narcissistic you are?
Here’s a quick save if the fatal ‘I love you’ ever drops from your lips.
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Obsidian, I think the problem white women have with the aggression of black men is the same problem most non-black people have with black men’s social interaction: it is downright rude bordering on threatening.
I was out a few weeks ago in a non-black area of NYC. It was late, I hit a pizza joint for some fuel before heading out again. There were four black men in their 20’s. Bigger (worked out)guys, they were dressed in ghetto-style but not poorly. In other words, these were not some group of poor guys unaccustomed to life outside their neighborhood, but men of some means who were intelligent and had experience in the world.
A couple of attractive white women walked in, and the black guys would simply not leave them alone: talking over their conversation, deliberately cutting right into their faces to try to chat, and even when blatantly ignored, chanting in unison “cock blocker” at the one friend more belligerent in moving away/ignoring them than the other.
I have little respect for the female gender, but could these guys not see that being 1) large and muscular; 2) not taking no for an answer rudely; and 3) in a group of 4 would be threatening to a group of 2 girls?
And that’s if even they dressed like businessmen and were white or asian. Now add in the faux-rapper gear (i.e. trying to look tough) and the faux-black attitude (again) they had, and its even worse. And yet they continued. The girls scooted out ASAP. Way to open the set, guys.
Quite frankly, you rarely see non-black males doing poor agressive rude game like that, and those that did would be pointed out, mocked, and possibly hassled by the cops. Black males do it in much larger percentages, but rarely get calle don it—because, as some stupid SWPLers and Black Supremacists argue, “that’s just how blacks are. different culture. loosen up, racist.”
That kind of blatant aggression is rude, threatening, and betrayed a total lack of game. Had they been in a group of 1 or 2, dressed like the Hipster/ preps/clubbie types there, and worked like Roissy, I’ll bet the girls would have had no problem with the come on’s.
This not to say being direct with white girls as a black man doesn’t work, its that “direct” and “loud, rude, aggressive” are two totally different things. Roissy is direct without being any of those things. He’s never in the friend zone unless he wants to be.
Black men’s worst enemy is thinking that they can act like social degenerates and get away with it with women as they do in society as a whole. It’s a sad mistake that, unfortunately, no one, black or non-black, is trying to correct.
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lurker,
“Had they been in a group of 1 or 2, dressed like the Hipster/ preps/clubbie types there, and worked like Roissy, I’ll bet the girls would have had no problem with the come on’s.”
And had it been one, dressed in a custom suit, with smooth, mulit-tiered, elastic Game, he would have swooped both girls.
– MPM
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I also think it is a bachelorette party and the target is the bride. Roissy’s game is beautifully tight – but how would you isolate without a posse? The last part before the close presumed the presence of supportive bro’s. DB, I think the target is the prettiest but they are all basically good material physically. After getting into the group I’d just see which one I liked the most and/or which one was the most into me and go from there. And how did I know you are a Michael K fan…?!?
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I think the problem white women have with the aggression of black men is the same problem most non-black people have with black men’s social interaction: it is downright rude bordering on threatening.
Different cultures have different norms for what is rude. Steve Sailer has as nice story about working with a Lebanese guy here:
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my question is why open the blonde against the pillar? she’s the least attractive of them all
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G:
“And had it been one, dressed in a custom suit, with smooth, mulit-tiered, elastic Game, he would have swooped both girls.”
—true dat, G. I again bow to the Jedi master.
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Dark hair: Probably closer to my usual preference but still a bit blah.
Purple Blonde: Looks like an ex (an ex I am glad is an ex).
[The above two strike me as less ready for seduction]
Given the spilled drink on her shirt, the way her hand is on or near another girl’s ass, and the angle at which she’s bent her head, my reasoned guess is that the dark-haired chick has been partaking in the adult beverages to a greater extent than the others and, therefore, may be most ripe for seduction.
Though she might barf all over your schwantzstucker.
Peter
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Thursday:
“Different cultures have different norms for what is rude.”
—See, but this is a false dichotomy. Blacks aren’t a different culture; *they are American.* Rasied in the same country, same TV, same Pres, same everything.
We don’t make excuses for rednecks acting redneck, or guys born in chinatown acting chinese, or immigrant’s children acting like their immigrant community; we expect them to conform to the American culture.
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Hottest girl==one at far left.
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I hope this isn’t turning into another out-of-hand racial discussion (not that i mind reading about different viewpoints of game).
Also, i thought the target was predetermined by the email to roissy:
Attached is a set. Your target is second from right, against the pillar.
Go
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blah blah custom suit blah blah e tab.
-FAG
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Lurker,
Thanks for your comments. I’ve thought about them for a few and this is what I have to say in response.
First, I don’t think Black Men on a whole are going lacking for Female company, Black or White, for lack of good manners; if anyting, as Roissy’s recent Asshole Game posts clearly show, they may be doing somethin more guys need to be doing a bit more of. 😉
Seriously though, I see where your point and in the situation you described, clearly it has merit; there was no good point to be made in simply intimidating the girls.
Having said that though, let’s be clear, Brothas hardly have the lock on being knuckleheads, and as much as sme would like to paint it that way, in truth, simply because we all tend to run in our own circles more, White Women have more concerns w/the prospect of coming accross knuckleheaded White guys than anything else. Like I said, it was just me and the other Brotha in the lounge, until about an hour in, when some other Black folk, Male and Female, showed up. Still, we were in the distinct minority-and yes, from all I could discern, we were all well “behaved”.
So, if there were gonna be any problems along those lines it seemed more likely to come from the White majority there.
O
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Bhetti
[cue Mr Burns voice]Excellent, Excellent.
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O,
I think lurker is touching on what is a white person’s generic view of a black person.
that is, i believe the typical (majority) white person has a pre-conceived notion that most black people are more aggressive, relatively, to other races. thus, if a group of black men, who decide to jeer/harass/intimidate a smaller group of white women.
i agree with your indirect point that ANYONE is capable of being a ‘knucklehead’, and that people just don’t have enough interaction with other ethnicities to form their own opinion.
its not even bad to be in this position (predetermined to be more physically dominant/aggressive), just don’t go over-the-top and slap a white ho, and all will be fine.
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ironrailsironweights (GNPeter)
Well that would spoil my day. Kind of like if your chick turned out to be a bald eagle.
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Blacks aren’t a different culture
Suuuuuure, whatever you say.
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O,
I see some black men gaining large amounts of women and many not and being frustrated. The black guys who do gain much companionship stand out by virtue of the low percentage of blacks overall. And the blacks who do don’t act like rappers and thugs.
No, never said bruthas are the only stupid folks when it comes to girls, but they have 2 advantages: 1) societal privilege to act like knuckleheads more than non-black men; and 2) encouragement from the media and lack of fathered households to act like such knuckleheads in the mistaken belief that it’s a net positive with women, life, etc.
Yes, you and your friends may be acting right; doesn’t mean we don’t see a higher percentage of blacks v. non-black men acting like that overall.
Its hard, because if an East Asian or South Asian dude were acting like that, I feel like I wouldn’t have any problem telling them to step off if it were pissing me off—and others would join in the chorus (assuming he wasn’t a huge dude ready to rip my head off, lol).
However, with a black guy, I hesitate a lot, mainly out of societal condemnation for “racism” and his probable genuine, sincere bewilderment that he was not allowed to act that way.
I’m not an aplha yet, cause probably an alpha wouldn’t care. I still have that latent D.A. desire to fix some things wrong in society. But I’m working on that as we ride down Mt. Morgan here.
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Mr. M, not really.
Many black apologists assume this, but really I grew up believing that blacks were people just like me, and that all the stereotypes were fantasy–and that racism lay at the cause of much of black problems. I was a Cosby Show/Different Strokes era kid, and, having little contact with the black community. the propaganda worked wonders on me. I suspect many SWPLers are still hooked on those images as well.
It was contact with the black community, through work, school, and personal life that changed my world view. Like I said, you see the scene I painted a lot more with black men than with non-black men, despite the low percetnage of blacks over all.
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Mr. M,
What G-Man said has a lot of merit, and I think deserves a clear distinction from what Lurker said-both suggested the Black Men in question making some changes in appearance and demeanor. However, please note the difference.
G-Man’s suggestion seemed, to me at least, to work *with* these guys’ inherent strengths-ie, playing up the natural outgoing nature, take the lead posture, even the negging, which, left to extremes, ends up in being downright rude, meanspirited and so on.
In Lurker’s case, his recommendation that the Brothas look/act Hipsterish/Clubby would be playing against serious type for these guys. Why? Because the Hipster thing is antithetical to what would be considered a more Higher T presentation-think about it-when’s the last time you’ve seen a guy who looks like Dave Matthews but has the temperment of a 50 Cent?
So, this is why I’m very wary of recommendations by *some* Whites in terms of “behavior modification” when it comes to Black Men, mainl because most don’t really understand Black Men in the main, nor are they aware of *why* Black Men do what they do, so their recommendatons wind up making the guys look like frauds-hence being incongruent. And we all know where that leads.
I agree-being a bit more “smoothed out” in terms of dress, and demeanor, would *definitely* netted them the girls, at the very least a very nice conversation, because Women-ALL Women-like to be courted by a clearly Dominant Man. But Lurker makes a highly legitimate point-there is a huge difference between being Dominant, and just being Domineering.
O
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lurker –
well, true. i feel the same way about the black community (that is, i typically view them as another white/yellow/brown, for the most part).
part of me thinks people who have been wrong/prejudiced against before just identify with that too much…it becomes a part of their culture and identity. i know a lot of native hawaiians think this way (i’m curious if its like that with american indians).
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i will not open them
no i wont
i will not open!
said sam i am
online Game is
green eggs and ham
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Purple is probably ready to be cut from the herd. She’s marginalized at the edge anyway. Any excuse, even trivial, to have her walk with you, formed as a command “I need another drink. Walk with me.” and she’ll probably jump at the chance. You redeposit her with the friends after some banter and laughter, ignore her for a while, and then rinse wash repeat. Get some KINO going and voila… ready for action.
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O, what I really meant was that they so blatantly acted like a stereotype—encouraging all other stereotypes to flow—that they intimidated themselves right out of pussy. They took onn a demeaner they stole, not from reality, but from the media on how black men should act—meaning from rappers and tv thugs, none of whose images are real.
They weren’t men, they were cardboard carcatures, and no one was pulling them aside and telling them otherwise. At one time, they would have been, or at least gotten their ass kicked enough to realize their folly.
It would be as if a chinese guy tried to be a man by imitating bruce lee movies.
Jason Whitlock likes to call it the Stepin Fetchit culture, and points to Flavor Flav as the most egregious example that when media blacks talk about “keepin’ it real” it really is a code word to act like a modern minstrel show.
The situation reminds me of the divide in sports showboating, beginning int he 1970s with Ali. Many SWPLers assume Ali’s “blackness” was only hated by racists, but he angered much of the black community for acting like a flamboyant gay man rather than a quiet, stoic man—he wasn’t acting like a black man, he was acting like a joke.
End Zone celebrations and posturing in basketball by blacks was also greatly hated by older generations of blacks for the same reason non-black fathers emphasized quiet stoicness: dignity, toughness, been-here-done-that coolness was what men did; little boys were unsportsmanlike. But in destroying the black family and celebrating such children as “true blackness”, the media kicked the old black men to curb.
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O –
So, this is why I’m very wary of recommendations by *some* Whites in terms of “behavior modification” when it comes to Black Men
i think my recommendation is to take game as a way of thinking, not necessarily as a 1-2-3 step guide as how to talk to women.
in reading, quite awhile ago so im probably rusty, i know that a lot of game is just picking up on social q’s and figuring out what works. its going to vary from person to person, race to race, and girl to girl.
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Lurker:
“Black men’s worst enemy is thinking that they can act like social degenerates and get away with it with women as they do in society as a whole. It’s a sad mistake that, unfortunately, no one, black or non-black, is trying to correct.”
When I say I’m being direct and up front, I didn’t say I flushed my manners down the toilet. I’m still respectful, I just speak my mind. Just cause you saw some brothers making fools of themselves, for God’s sake don’t put that on the rest of us.
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Darn, how could I forget Dave Chappelle on Keepin it real:
http://www.videovat.com/videos/971/chappelle-keeping-real.aspx
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hi rise, I try. I see brothas who act well. But I also see so many actin’ the fool. Turn on MTV or BET, and you see where they get it from.
We need brothas like you to slap them around a few times, ’cause I ain’t allowed to.
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1. JM @ 12:25: My target is the mother hen, and that affects the whole dynamic. Because I want to engage her emotionally. No subtlety, no subtext: all jugular. My first move is to insult her, and not in a veiled way. Why approach with pithy observations, in a sideways manner? Display your wit once you’re in, once you’ve made your intentions known. Don’t mess around on the approach. These girls are boozing it up, holding a dildo, taking pictures: starving for sexual attention. The trick is to give it to them in a way that makes them feel inadequate, not in control. Like stupid little sorostitutes, which they are, instead of like sophisticated urban women who deserve to command male attention. And that’s all in the delivery, as you said.
2. db @1:13: to get at your question, note my comment above (posted at 12:00).
I chose brunette and dildo holder as “targets”, not the designated white top. This set is attractive enough that all are bangable; thus the need to truly isolate a target is low here and a group engagement approach is best. See who’s drunkest, who’s sluttiest, how tight they are as friends. This is crucial as it determines who will be slutty per se and slutty vis a vis the group. (For example, which one is the out-of-town visitor? She’s the whore. But who is she staying with? etc..)
Purple is the hottest. But I do not have a strong feeling about her from the picture. My sense is that white tank is aimless and vacant, probably stupid. My intuition is that dildo holder is a sweet girl from a flyover state who will suck cock and that Brunette is a bitchy type who likes to talk and bitch and argue but will fuck if properly engaged: insulted and dominated. She also has a purple stain on her white tanktop, right below her pendulous funbags, and thus may be more drunk than the others. I will tease her about a wet t-shirt contest before the night is through.
Thus, I have designed an approach (admittedly with alot of time to think) that engages my selected targets and generally opens the set, that will either get me in deep right away, or get me blown out in a nuclear fashion – an approach I favor for its efficiency.
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Lest there be any more concerns that this discussion is going to veer off into yet another “racial thing”, please allow me to clarify a few things:
1. Please note that I never said that Roissy’s, or anyone else’s, approach wrt the set above didn’t or wouldn’t “work” on the Women in question; what I did note was that I question whether that very same approach would have worked in a different environment.
2. It is something of a fascination to me, that up until now, there hasn’t been any serious discussion about the very real conspicuous absence of Black guys in the Game community, why that is.
3. That I agree w/Thursday, there is a such thing as differing cultural norms. Now, that doesn’t necessarily mean that said norms are *good*, just different. That all depends on the context and situation.
Trust me when I tell you, Black folk by and large understand the need to “codeswitch” in order to get ahead in society. Some are more open to this than others, but we all know it.
At any rate, I’m interested in these things because I’m interested in how people get together and mate, and why. It seems pretty clear to me that, in the main, what works for *some* White Women clearly doesn’t necessarily work for their Black sisters, and so on. I find that fascinating, even as it all falls under the broad rubric of Game.
O
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O –
perhaps you should create a black-focused PUA blog? since, you feel it not addressed yet necessary
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Jon Minus Kate Minus Eight Plus Some Other Chick
http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2009/05/jon-minus-kate-minus-eight-plus-some-other-chick.html
It has been rumored for a few months now that Jon Gosselin, 32, (Jon from Jon & Kate Plus 8) has been having an extramarital affair (Star broke the story in March). Today, the extramarital affair’s brother, Jason Hummel, has revealed that Jon has been secretly seeing his sister, 23-year old teacher, Deanna Hummel. In Jon’s defense, he had been keeping it discreet. Like the time he invited Deanna to sunbathe at his house when his wife was gone and the time he sneaked out of Deanna’s house in front of a street full of photographers. US Magazine reports:
“She’s a nice girl, not a homewrecker,” Jason tells Us Weekly. “He is a bad liar. This isn’t healthy for her. But she is refusing to help herself, so here I am trying to help her myself. I hope this clears the air.”…At the Hummel house, Jason says Deanna and Jon would “pretty much stay locked away like two teenagers. It was weird. He’s a grown man.” He also adds, “A lot of the time, it was pretty, um, gross listening to her, you know, um — how do I say this? The walls are thin. Let’s just say that. I mean, no one wants to hear his sister having sex, let alone with a married dude who’s, like, almost twice her age and who has eight kids and a maybe-crazy wife. Ick. Nast.”
This is going to sound really bad, but hi five! Watch two minutes of this show and you’ll realize that his only options were 1.) Get a new piece or 2.) Put a shotgun in his mouth and blow his fucking brains out. Like eight bratty kids screaming all day wasn’t bad enough, this dude is married to the most controlling, emasculating nag on Earth. I’m not even joking when I say I’d rather live with a pack of wild jackals.
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I guess El Guapo’s approach comes a bit closer to mine; although I’ve studied it a good bit (and tried it) I just can’t for the life of me get that whole “oblique” thing so many of you White guys do. It’s frustrating to me, frankly. I tend to like a more direct approach.
O
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the menage a trois can only happen if:
– you pay for the girls (aka hookers, or groupies, for famous people)
– you get two bi-sexual girls in a gay club.
– All the nine planets align themselves (the perfetc day, the perfect spot): drunk girls, lack of witnesses, girls/guy don’t know each other before and won’t meet again , etc
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O:
“2. It is something of a fascination to me, that up until now, there hasn’t been any serious discussion about the very real conspicuous absence of Black guys in the Game community, why that is. ”
—I think its for the same reasons blacks fear “acting white” and “not keeping it real.” Just a blatant wall injuring only themselves.
“3. That I agree w/Thursday, there is a such thing as differing cultural norms. Now, that doesn’t necessarily mean that said norms are *good*, just different. That all depends on the context and situation. ”
— The only cultural norms are the ones black artificially construct between blacks and others. Blacks are American.
“Trust me when I tell you, Black folk by and large understand the need to “codeswitch” in order to get ahead in society. Some are more open to this than others, but we all know it. ”
—yes, but the problem is the black argument that somehow it is ever appropriate to act ghetto.
its one thing to understand that one acts differently in a tough biker bar than at home with the kdis, it is another to think that the biker bar is “real” and that the home with the kids is fake. That somehow “keepin it real” is preferable to moving up in the world.
Look, the divide can be stated simply: much of the black community does not want or is hostile the American dream–moving up, improving one’s social and financial position through long years of hard work, family home picket fence. All other immigrant groups do.
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Obsidian:
“Hi Rise,
Very interesting comments. If I may, can I ask-do you look anything similar to the Brotha I described earlier? Or do you have a more “typical” “Black” look? Or what?”
I’m tall, and typically black. Not an Obama-type like your friend, but unmistakably chocolate. And going by what various girlfriends have told me through the years, I’m not a bad-looking guy.
“Also: if I may, what kind of White Women were you approaching?”
This was in college, in the early ’90s, and most were pretty mainstream. Not too yuppieish, not too “alternative,” not trailer trash.
These women were friends of mine already, not somebody I approached from afar. Based on that fact, I figured I’d have no problem making the transition from “friend” to “lover”, but I did. I would ask them out, without specifying whether it was romantic or platonic, and hope they got the drift. Most times they didn’t (or they knew it but were in denial). And that’s when I knew I had to change my program and stop being “nice.” Which I did, and I got better results.
“I’m curious-why do you choose to date White Women over Black?”
I worded that statement wrong.
I do like women of all races, including African-American. But it just so happens that I am into a lot of things that the typical black person isn’t, and because of this I see more white women in my circles than black. If she’s a sista and she’s fine and we hit it off, kool, but I’m not gonna wait until the sistas show up, either.
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Mr. M,
Sure, I could do that, but I’m much more interested in many of the HBD aspects of Game that others have expressed an interest in; besides, its always easy to preach to the choir. I like to go where the action is, and that’s in places where you’re not likely to find lots of “friendlies”. Much more interesting.
O
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Obsidian
I saw a quote somewhere that said roughly: “The difference between direct and indirect game is about 60 seconds.”
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Howard Roark —
“These girls are boozing it up, holding a dildo, taking pictures: starving for sexual attention.”
I agree that the dildo has the function of advertising sexual willingness, but I would think it also serves the function of “beta bait.” Your opener is obviously a far cry from the “woah, a dildo! Damn, that is hot!” opener, but I felt that it still expresses your arousal just a little too much. When a girl makes an overt, unprovoked sexual display early in /prior to an encounter, I think the best reaction is to communicate that you’re not impressed, and that in fact you think the girl is acting very ridiculously, but to communicate this in a half-serious/half-playful manner.
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Lucifer –
I read on a news article that he got slapped, on camera, by her. I made some comments on the website, and most people responded with “he probably likes it” or “he needs to be led”. this was about 6 months ago.
i’m not surprised at all.
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Bacherlorette parties are often the worst for hitting up girls: too many girls around to establish rapport, always at least one mother hen, always forced fun, less drinking than you woudl imagine, and a hostility to guys hitting on the bride. Us v. them mentality.
Roissy, do you have any specific tips on bacherlorette parties, or is this post really it?
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First thing I notcied is the target is wearing pants while the others are not. Whats she trying to cover up?? Something to that effect, not too direct. Obviously they want you to see their dildo so I would have ignored that completely until cockblock pointed it out to me (she couldnt resist.)
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Mr.M,
I think that every Man should be made a episode of that show as a precautionary tale.
Every man should also be made to watch a episode of “Housewives of Orange County”, “Bridezilla” and “Wedding Planner”. By the end of that marathon, most men will not require to be told that women are amoral emotion driven shysters.
//I read on a news article that he got slapped, on camera, by her. I made some comments on the website, and most people responded with “he probably likes it” or “he needs to be led”. this was about 6 months ago.//
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Hi Rise,
Thanks for the response. You’re not the only Black Man who’s given the kind of explanation for why he tended to date White Women, and while I have no problem at all with it, I have to say w/all due respect, that I find it a bit suspect.
Here’s why.
It has long been known, for what, more than six, seven decades, that Black Women tended to be higher educated than Black Men; they tend to have more exposure to “White” interests and the like, than Black Men. And my own personal experience being among Black Women who are highly college educated, which again if one goes by the numbers, is quite a bit, I’ve personally found that they are often as rounded and knowledgeable about the world as their White sisters, often moreso. In some cases, notably moreso. Quick, name a contemporary White version of Condoleeza Rice.
My own personal take on the whole thing-and I say this as a Brotha who also has bedded his fair share of Blancas-is that for many Black Men, the sheer sexual attraction plays a large role. Please, don’t get me wrong-I’m not saying its the *only* factor-but let’ face it, in a racially charged atmosphere like America, where all manner of sexual taboos are still alive and well when it comes to Black and White, one would have to be silly not to recognize these factors. The vivid contrasts of Black and White skin, along w/attendant behaviors and expectations, etc et al, plays a powerful role sexually.
Black Women know this, actutely-and when they hear the kids of explanations you offered, it tends to set them off. Not so much because they’re true-I’ve already gone on record as questioning that in the main-but because they feel that a lot of Brothas aren’t being on the level here, and I gotta tell ya, rightly so.
I think a lot of Brothas would save themselves a lot of grief if they simply said, look, I am sexually attracted to White Women. What can I say? Its like when a Gay or Lesbian says they’re sexually attracted to men/women, what is there to be done about that? Now, if its me, and I hear something like that, the conversation stops. Who can argue with what one finds sexually attractive? What’s the point of actually trying to argue against that?
Now, having said that, I also think that a lot of Sistas kinda use the whole Brothas crossin over deal as a scapegoat for many of their own shortcomings-but that’s another story.
O
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Read- The Real Assanova-
http://www.realassanova.com/2009/04/black-men-dating-white-women-part-3.html
He is an African American PUA.
He has a great blog on PUA- and I would say he is a highly advanced PUA in his own right.
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lucifer –
i would imagine the average beta male would watch that shit and figure, “thats what women want.” and the average western woman would think, “thats how i want to be.”
fuck the media.
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Mr.M,
But most undecideds would run away like hell. You cannot convert true betas, but there are many who think that being a beta is a viable option.
Exposing them to reality might get them thinking!
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Lurker,
On the Ali/Usain Bolt example, I respectfully disagree; “trash talkin'” is a part of Black culture, and aint goin’ away anytime soon. The issue wasn’t that Ali was trash talkin’, the issue was that he was excellent at what he did and refused to go along to get along; he used his fame to shed light on issues important to him. Michael Jordan talked plenty of trash too, but he hemmed and hawed when asked about why so many Black kids were killing each other over his sneakers.
Personally, I would never tell me son to hide his light under a bushel, but rather to hold it high. If he’s good at something, he ought to be proud of it, being stoic don’t get you jack in this world.
And, actually Lurker, something like less than 25% of all Black folk are poor; most are solidyly middle class. Yet the imagery of the mean inner streets hangs on so strongly in the psyche of the collective American Mind-I think I know why. Its because in many ways, *we need it to*both Black and White. It serves a deep need.
O
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Lucifer –
Perhaps. of greater concern is the effect is has on women who try to emulate these shows. that dominating a household IS okay.
there should be a men’s show that details divorce horror stories and the like. hmmm!
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Mr. M – you’re right that roissy’s target was predetermined by the emailer, but i was curious who the other guys on here would choose.
it’s really enlightening to read about the observations you guys make when looking at the photo – what you pick up on, what you conclude from it, etc.
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I prefer the “female beauty evaluation” posts to feature this kind of girls. Girls you see in bars/clubs. The girls that are in the market.
I rate them 8-7-7-6
If grades couldn’t be repeated, it would be 8-6-7-5. But in this kind of sets it doesn’t mak e sense to forbid grade repetition
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db –
i was pretty impressed with roissy’s analysis of their body language as it translates to mental/emotional state.
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O, you’re just plain wrong on the whole “trash talkin’ is a black thing!” meme, probably because its been hammered into your head.
Frazier, Foreman, etc. hated Ali because he acted like a clown. And if you watch NFL film interviews of black stars of the 60s and 70s, you can see them get visibly uncomfortable about the showboaters that were gradually coming along. Most black star athletes acted like the macho-biker white athletes of the time, which is to say trash talkin was a sign of childishness. Still is.
In the NFL, the great black stars still carried out this tradition until recently. Barry Sanders was the quintessential no-celebration guy, and Emmet Smith went apoplectic at that one-talent joke Terrell Owens when he crapped on the Dallas Star. McNabb doesn’t do big time look at me-ishness either, and Bo Jackson just ran people over. And Roger Craig….The showboaters get smoked out in NFL early, and only ESPN cared about them.
Black people aren’t showboaters, its a culture that encourages that and looks down upon sportsmanship that creates it.
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I would avoid them altogether. Bringing a sex toy is crude. Also, they look like they are lesbian.
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“Michael Jordan talked plenty of trash too”
—-MJ talked trash to players,a nd the tongue wag wasn’t classy, but he only went really crazy when he won the big ones. He wasn’t a showboat by a mile. And the rule is, if you’re that good, you can talk trash. Bird did it, Johnson did it, but when the 12th guy on the bench thinks he can do it, something is wrong.
Plus most black showboaters go nuts when making a common play. You want to hot dog when you score the game winner in overtime? Go ahead. But doing a war dance when you made a tackle on the first drive? Joke.
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“Personally, I would never tell me son to hide his light under a bushel, but rather to hold it high. If he’s good at something, he ought to be proud of it, being stoic don’t get you jack in this world. ”
–The difference between banging your own drum and what’s going on in sports today is night and day.
But I agree: the culture rewards unsportsmanlike behavior more and more. It won’t be surprising when thsi turns against it soon enough.
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“Its because in many ways, *we need it to*both Black and White. It serves a deep need. ”
—there is no need served by it, except to set up a hierarchy.
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DB,
One on the far right caught my eye first. The target is my second favorite.
Youth and beauty are my criteria. However, the target is probably a more down-to-earth, stable girl than the one on the far left.
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Bringing a sex toy is crude. Also, they look like they are lesbian
Sluttiness is directedly correlated of probability of banging. Bi-sexual maybe, but definitely not straight lesbian
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I meant “on the far right”.
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roissy, you seem sure her hand in legs indicates ovulation..
how to tell if its not ovulation but rather her herpes in full defcon 1 rage?
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Well, here is how i will open that set:
I walk straight over and throw a used condom at the Brunette. Grab the dildo from the fattie and slap her in the face with it. Twice.
Then order the blonde to bend over so that i can shove it up her arse.
Works like magic everytime.
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On a weekend night, I specialize in drunken game, since I am usually out with my friends having a good time. So handicapped, I would probably stop dead while walking past them, raise my eyebrow to the dildo-holder, and simply say “explain” or “what the fuck.” I would just then randomly banter and scoff with whichever ones gave me the best vibe. At some point, I would simply step up to one, drag her to the side, and make out. With a little luck, we would soon be in a taxicab to her place or mine, or with a LOT of luck, to my girlfriend’s place for the trifecta.
Obviously this is not tight game. But sometimes it is fun not to give a flying fuck — and good things still happen over time. I’m too lazy to be a 24/7 PUA.
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Roissy, I’ve never commented on this blog before, but I would like to make a Beta of the Month submission.
Would you like to see a Minister of State in the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland get made to look like a Total Beta Cunt then follow this link…
It’s not game, It’s not relationship and there’s a fair amount of class snobbery involved (Phil Woolas is a bit common and northern and Joanna Lumley is born to rule, which might not be obvious to your US readers…). But look at how much of a useless turd he is. She might as well have got a strap-on out.
A “Beta of the Month” post on Phil Woolaswould get you a lot of British fans and help destroy a left-wing government. My take on the subject can be found here
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Lucifer is right about those female reality shows – they’re unwatchable, full of horrifying over-the-top monsters. And I only saw that Jon-and-Kate show once, but she really needs to watch her mouth and show a little more respect. Eight kids or no. Right on: with that behavior, get something on the side or walk out the door.
Is it really that these crude reality shows reflect some sort of post-SATC sense of female entitlement/empowerment, that women are actually supposed to aspire to and emulate? Or are they just entertainment, intended to make us gawk at the monsters? Since they are real people just amping their natural selves up for TV, I have the sense that it’s the former. battle on, gents – if you come across any facsimile of these monsters in the field they must be slain.
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Lurker,
W/all due respect there’s really no debate here-Ali’s record speaks for itself. So does Bolt’s, and, say what you will of Owens, but those who know football would agre that he’s one of the best wideouts in the game.
Black folk have always had a colorful way of expressing themselves, everyone knows that, and can even be seen in the differences btw White and Black churches.
Again, the issue isn’t the trash talking, it was what the Man-Ali namely-stood for, which was highly signficant. When he refused the draft for the Vietnam War, at the height of his popularity, he declared loud and long that “No Viet Cong ever call me a Nigger!”-a powerful antiwar statement that carried extra weight because of the obvious racial overtones involved.
Jordan talked trash as much as Magic and Rodman etc, did, he just didn’t do it in more open displays and definitely not off the court. But he did it. It’s part of the game. At least when Black folk enmasse got in it.
But that in no way detracts from his greatness as a basketball player, or of his long shadow he has cast over the game.
O
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Oh and I’d go up to her, slap my hands and say “you are [BANG] fit”. “Can I get you a drink?” then walk off to the bar without waiting for a reply.
They follow. They always do….
You might enjoy This post.
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db–
Judging from this single still picture alone, which really isn’t enough even looks wise and their tells to personality, I’d be interested in the designated target girl only as gf material.
As fling material, either her or the far right “crazy/ditzy” blonde. The ditz is definitely an attention whore but also has a playfully submissive look to her — I mean more than usual. (Target girl has a more serious and a bit more below the surface potentially deeply submissive look to her – for the right man. She looks like a falls hard in love type.)
Ditz girl would easily turn out to be all girly show and not actually very open for fling activity, or a fun, fun, fun good times slut. She certainly plays being easy. Teasing her for just a little while would revel which. If she get a bit more serious / vulnerable look in her eye (or more obvious things like touching you), you’re in.
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would => could
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Lucifer,
Lucky for you I think that even a lot of women think that Kate is pushing it. She made her husband get hair plugs (most likely paid for by TLC) and went on and on about how unattractive he had gotten since they first met and he just took it, but when he sort of mentioned her becoming less attractive (I believe it was more specifically about the haircut) since they got married she was on the defensive like that. I don’t condone cheating on your wife, but in his case it’s pretty understandable…regardless of the fact that their whole child exploiting empire would crumble if they got a divorce…or maybe they could just make it into another reality show, who knows.
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Also, does anyone else think that the girl on the far right looks like the actress who played DJ Tanner on Full House?
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I’d like to comment on the pizzaria scenario above that lurker described, when four big black guys dressed ghetto-style but obviously at least somewhat more upscale. He said:
Actually black men benefit enormously from the reluctance of whites including white women to react in any way that can be accused of being racist, given the billions if not trillions of dollars in mass media entertainment product that’s while selling entertainment was the main purposes also had a lefty subtext of getting whites and others to accept step by step, starting with oreo Sidney Poitier and culminating in ghetto 50 cent, aggressive in your face black preferred style as acceptable and even should be, “if you’re progressive enough”, highly attractive. Ignoring the issue was ok in other entertainment, but no counter message was EVER acceptable under PC.
Absent this propaganda the white instinct, or that of any other race / ethnicity (East Asian, Central Asian, South American etc.), is to gang up and stop this shiite. Literally. By any and all means expedient.
While black aggressive straight on pickup doesn’t work when as blatantly intimidating as this with the vast majority of white girls, there are times when a somewhat less aggressive but still in your face approach does work because a lot of the instinct of white girls to recoil, is toned down in some by all this enormous mass media pro black and black male / white female dating propaganda that’s been coursing into our brains for decades
Who else has this popaganda machine specificially and intentionally trying to aid their cross racial dating agenda?
Still, it hasn’t worked that well, yet. They’re trying, those Hollywood decision makers.
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Obsidian wrote:
“It has long been known, for what, more than six, seven decades, that Black Women tended to be higher educated than Black Men; they tend to have more exposure to “White” interests and the like, than Black Men. And my own personal experience being among Black Women who are highly college educated, which again if one goes by the numbers, is quite a bit, I’ve personally found that they are often as rounded and knowledgeable about the world as their White sisters, often moreso. In some cases, notably moreso. Quick, name a contemporary White version of Condoleeza Rice.”
Greetings,
Dr. Rice is an outlier and SADLY, not a role model for black women. Far too many black women are living, loving the orca lifestyle with low standards for their sperm donors. The obesity/std/single motherhood rates are growing faster than Rice plants.
The college numbers can be misleading and do not necessarily represent intellectual rigor or interests, not to mention the attitude and unpleasant demeanor. How many ethnic studies/education/psychology/social work/sociology degrees? Angry at the world black woman disease can infect the educated set as well, see michelle o and anita h.
Feminism has rendered far too many black women unfit for companionship with men. The feminists have produced a narrative that feeds the over sized ego of “educated” black women and holds them to zero accountability. Back to intellectual interests, there were zero black women in my undergrad and grad Physics programs, but multiple white/asian women and one Hispanic woman.
I’ll specify upfront that the plural of anecdote is not citation, and that the experiences/backgrounds of my Black male friends and I may not be typical. We have each found greater success and had an easier time establishing intellectual and cultural rapport with non black women.
Backgrounds
Buddy A) Art MFA, Buddhist married to WF for 10+ years
Buddy B) History MA, Catholic, married to HF for 10+ years
Me) Physics MS, Jewish, current SO WF
A & B are dems and I’m a conservative.
All three of us have dated and loved Black women in the past, and we have each independently discovered that a college degree is a poor indicator of continuing education and intellectual interests. The last few cultural/intellectual events ( Caroline Glick lecture/book signing, Buckiminster Fuller exhibit, Math Colloquium, etc) that I’ve attended had zero black women in attendance.
In college I’d see a play or independent film every couple of weeks and black women were as rare as hen’s teeth.
In short, I hunt where my interests lie and there are far too few black women in my range. There may be highly educated, intellectual black women in my area, but their interests do not intersect my social/intellectual/cultural circle.
Shalom,
Dark Wing Duck
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Its funny, Doug, i do agree. It is the tendency of non-black males to try to enforce some semblance of a code of civility.
But not only culture aimed at freeing blacks from social constraints; feminism and homosexualism plays on emasculating males from acting in socially-reinforcing roles towards women (i.e. calling them sluts, making them obedient as wives, gfs,etc.) and gays (ostrisizing them, insulting fashion, etc.)
It does not surprise me, therefore, that we see diminishing returns from non-black males in athletics; since athletics is all about machismo, and anyone who’s played a sport that insulting your opponent on the line in any sport; when a non-black male can’t make normal racial insults at a black, but a black can do it back with no repercussions, and when acting macho is disdained by women of non-black men, and common insults like fairy, woman, faggot, etc. are banned for non-black but not black athletes—-well, psych warfare 101 dictates one side will have an advantage.
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Chris Rock’s latest standup bit explains in great detail why black men will accept, or even prefer, obese white women.
This confirms the generally accepted wisdom. It appears that we can conclude :
1) Black men will ‘do anything’ in a ‘something is always better than nothing’ philosophy. Even if they have access to a 10, if the 10 is away for 24 hours, they will do a 1 in the meantime rather than wait.
2) Due to lack of pressure to be beautiful, black women default into obesity. In America, 80% of them are obese, and only about 30 are truly 9s and 10s at any given time.
3) Thus, most black women are not attractive to any men of any race. Black men still do them, however, due to point 1).
4) But black men are also doing obese white women (who are greater in number than obese black women, despite being much lower in percentage).
5) So black women lose out in a multi-racial society, since even the black men who would do them have obese white women available to them as well, therely making the supply/demand equation unfavorable to black women.
6) The rare attractive black woman who dates/marries a white man is at risk of getting herself and him killed, as with the Pendleton Marines incident. This is a reverse of the supply/demand dynamic.
Therefore, it is tough to be a black woman (much tougher than to be an Asian man). Black men have many choices, but overwhelmingly pursue quantity at the expense of quality.
That is that.
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lurker:
fwiw, it was george teague that went apoplectic when T.O. slammed the ball on the midfield star.
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/06/24/eight-years-later-george-teague-still-gets-asked-about-laying-o/
lurker, O:
also, you guys are forgetting the intimidation aspect of trash talking. ali and jordan’s trash talking is completely different from t.o. and chad johnson’s brand of trash talking.
ali and jordan did it to get in their opponents head, t.o. does it because he’s afraid he doesn’t have the skills to beat the opponent.
i saw an old interview with ali where he stated that he had already beat foreman in the “rumble in the jungle fight” just by the trash talking he gave him. he admitted foreman was the stronger fighter, but ali was more mentally strong.
ali and jordan gave credit where it was due. if they got beat, which happened rarely, they complimented their opponent. this is the opposite of t.o. and chad johnson’s who tend to push the blame on extenuating circumstances or teammates.
the trash talking of t.o. and chad johnson is a typical lesser alpha move. the alphas in those positions, jerry rice, chris carter, marvin harrison were not trash talkers in the same way t.o. and johnson are. t.o. and johnson posture in order to make people think they are higher alpha status.
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Apeman, I think you missed your calling! You should seriously consider going into comedy. Much of what you said is a joke, and you definitely know how to make people laugh at you.
Bravo.
O
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lurker wrote:
“Frazier, Foreman, etc. hated Ali because he acted like a clown. And if you watch NFL film interviews of black stars of the 60s and 70s, you can see them get visibly uncomfortable about the showboaters that were gradually coming along. Most black star athletes acted like the macho-biker white athletes of the time, which is to say trash talkin was a sign of childishness. Still is.”
Greetings,
Can you imagine if Jackie Robinson came into the majors with the mouth of Ali?
Likewise, Joe Louis versus Schmelling II provided the best refutation of nazi marketing.
Shalom,
Dark Wing Duck
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Obsidian,
How so? Virtually all white men here, + David Alexander, would tend to support this view, confirmed by Chris Rock. It is logical, fair, and cleanly presented.
You can’t even admit that most black women are obese. You are set to be called ‘Obese-dian’ again.
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Was talking with this older white guy. He said yea white guys used to gang beat the shit out of black guys. So yea I guess it is just that times have changed no big whup. Just another day on this sunnshinyworld.
On the chicks when I hit my g stride I would find out which one of them could actually do something for me other than suck my dick. Since obviously they could all suck my dick. Straight honesty route. Which one of you has something to offer a man other than sex. Then once the eyes glazed over. Either one would come up with something or I would move on.
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lurker – A couple of attractive white women walked in, and the black guys would simply not leave them alone: talking over their conversation, deliberately cutting right into their faces to try to chat, and even when blatantly ignored, chanting in unison “cock blocker” at the one friend more belligerent in moving away/ignoring them than the other.
And that’s if even they dressed like businessmen and were white or asian. Now add in the faux-rapper gear (i.e. trying to look tough) and the faux-black attitude (again) they had, and its even worse. And yet they continued. The girls scooted out ASAP. Way to open the set, guys.
lurker, I don’t think it’s possible to underestimate the black male obsession in America with White women. EVERY black male in America has at least some deep seated obsession with White women, whether they act on it or not.
In the case you mentioned these black males probably figured they had no chance with these White women so they shifted into full black punk mode because they wanted to at least get the satisfaction of degrading and dominating some White women. That was about as close to sex as they were going to get.
Black males are sexually obsessed with White women. By fucking the White woman the black boy in a sense gets to fuck his daddy/master’s wife, i.e his mommy. Lot’s of deep Oedipal issues with the black male’s profound psychic need for the White woman. And if they can’t get her consensually they will verbally sexually harass her or rape her or jerk off to interracial porn.
White women are the queen of the black man’s dreams, that’s just the way it is. That will never change, for genetic and evolutionary reasons going back to the evolution of humans from African Apes. Moving away sexually from the black female toward the White woman can actually be seen as progressive evolution in action from the black male perspective.
Apes to Australopiths to Homo ergaster to early pre humans to archaic black homo sapiens to archaic White homo sapiens leading to the ultimate in the lineage = Modern White people, esp. White women.
You have to have sex for evolution to take place, unless you are bacteria.
White men generally view black women as ape-like, ugly, fat, socially inferior, stupid, incapable of making White babies and of lower racial status than White or Asian women.
As a result they make comparatively little attempt to attract them. Some do but then again some White guys also have sex with other guys or farm animals. Small percentage.
Given the opportunities White men almost always prefer White women. And so do black males.
Some black males just express their racial/sexual frustrations more obnoxiously than others.
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Chuck, thank you. my mistake. My point was more that Owens is an ESPN entity-=-all hype, little delivery—who nonetheless feels himself able to showboat like he’s Jerry Rice.
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it would be interesting to know where this photo was taken. i would guess some scandinavian country, one almost never encounters such a uniform array of physical types among groups of white American girls. second guess is poland.
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Willard Libby,
Interesting.
Since Arabs enslaved a lot more blacks than Anglo-whites did, and since Asian cultures have a more derogatory view of black physical features than modern whites do, how does that translate in terms of black men’s interest levels in a) Middle Eastern women, and b) Asian women?
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GNP Colbert, i’ve explained this to you over and over again. people of lower socioeconomic position are more likely to bang fatties and ugly chicks. more blacks are in lower socioeconomic position than whites so therfore more blacks bang fatties and ugly chics. but watch jerry springr and see the white trash there and they are banging beasts too. what you have to do is look at black guys who are of higher class level to see if its a class thing or a race thing. for example look at chris rock, who is rich and black, is his wife fat and ugly? or i can give you same challenge i gave you over a dozen times and you run away from like the fuckin coward you are…name me a well to do black guy who met his wife or girl after getting successful who still marries a fattie? if its race thing and not a class thing they should still have the same tendency after being successful rtight?
i know you thougt coast was clear and started acting up again all bold but i’m still lurking and i still own you at will boy.
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White men generally view black women as ape-like, ugly, fat, socially inferior, stupid, incapable of making White babies and of lower racial status than White or Asian women.
yes, but black women find white men equally as unattractive as white men find black women, so its a wash in the end.
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Lurker,
Uhh, two words in reply to your lament: Ron Artest-suspended without pay for an entire year, for swinging on a WHITE GUY.
Nuff said.
DWD,
Interesting name for a “hard” scientist, lol. That’s wassup.
I think you’d agree that on balance, Women in general tend to “lump” around the humanties studies and the like-not gonna find many female students in the hard sciences departments, as a rule. Sure, there’ll always be some gals there, but nowhere near parity with guys-in fact, to let the stats tell it, they’re the last remaining preserve of Men on college campus. How long that survives, remains to be seen, since fewer Males go on to college these days, while Women’s enrollment there are at all time highs-and keep in mind, that this is true of all racial groups-even Asian Males aren’t going to college like they used to (although I’d grant that perhaps the only exception could possibly be the Jewish Male-that would be an interesting study, hmm). So, we have to bear that in mind.
Also, again, as I told Lurker earlier, we have to bear in mind that most Black people are not ripped right from the Good Times set-*most* are middle class. And, I read somewhere that if a Black Woman made 40K/yr, chances were very high that she was married.
Keep in mind also, that Rice wasn’t trained in the hard sciences, either, her degrees would put her a lot closer to the very same kind of degree holders you seem not to be too crazy about. My point was to merely rebut Hi Rise’s explanation/rationalization as to why he dated White Women.
I know many Black Women who all they do is watch independent films; a good friend of mine, turned me on to Franka Potente, way back in the 90s when she did a flick called Run Lola Run. She would go on to star opposite Matt Damon in the Jason Bourne films.
So, as it always seems it must, this is a matter of just how much realtime exposure one has to Black folk. From what I gather of what you’ve said, you don’t seem to have much in the way of actual interaction. Not that its a crime, it isn’t. But you see, when I wanted to better understand Jewish folk, I decided to attend Synagogue and the Seder, and sitdown and discuss things with them on a whole range of things. It helped me to better see where they’re coming from. No, I don’t claim any expertise here. Just a willingness to listen.
O
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Chuck – the trash talking of t.o. and chad johnson is a typical lesser alpha move. the alphas in those positions, jerry rice, chris carter, marvin harrison were not trash talkers in the same way t.o. and johnson are. t.o. and johnson posture in order to make people think they are higher alpha status.
Believe it or not Larry Bird was one of the top trash talkers in basketball in the 1980s despite being a White man from a small Midwestern town. On the court in the faces of his opponents, not so much off court.
On the other hand Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, Barry Sanders are arguably the 5 greatest running backs in football history. NONE of them were trash talkers. Sayers was a total gentleman on and off the field, Campbell is borderline mute, Payton was a prankster and Sanders is relatively shy and quiet. Only Jim Brown was verbally confrontational but even that was only off the field and done with some sense of purpose and reason. It was never trash talking for trash talking sake. Those guys were no less black than the black dirtbags.
But yes, black male athletes on average are disproportionately obnoxious, rude, vulgar and consistently lower in IQ and general intelligence than White athletes or White America in general.
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“White men generally view black women as ape-like”
I see them as whale-like, rather. The rotund bowhead whale is the most precise metaphor.
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I wouldn’t bother opening the set on these women. The Homer Simpson plastic penis is a turn off. The girls look kinda plain and generic and look like they are there for the event and group experience.
I wouldn’t flatter them by engaging them in any way.
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I wouldn’t flatter them by engaging them in any way.
since they’re not attracted to you either, you flatter them by not engaging them.
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oops sorry libster, thought you were talking about black women. yeah, with those women in pic you might have a chance
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GNPs are for Apes – Willard Libby,
Interesting.
Since Arabs enslaved a lot more blacks than Anglo-whites did, and since Asian cultures have a more derogatory view of black physical features than modern whites do, how does that translate in terms of black men’s interest levels in a) Middle Eastern women, and b) Asian women?
First off this didn’t happen in America. The Daddy of America is the White man. Not every White man but the archetype. So Daddy’s woman in this context is the White woman.
I do think however that the black male interest in Asian women has increased with the fact that many White men have elevated the sexual status of the Asian female to that of “almost a White women, and sometimes better”. This has made them more desirable in black male eyes, despite butticus flatticus.
Arab women will be more desirable the Whiter they are in appearance and genetics.
I’m sure east African and any north African black males will display the same obsession with these Arab/Berber women that Atlantic black males have for European and White women.
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White men generally view black women as ape-like, ugly, fat, socially inferior, stupid, incapable of making White babies and of lower racial status than White or Asian women.
yes, but black women find white men equally as unattractive as white men find black women, so its a wash in the end.
Not true.I get a lot of attention from black girls.I’m white.And personally,I think black girls are very sexy.They have curves very few white women have.Why dont white guys and black girls admit their attraction for each other?Obsidian,you have any theories?
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Again: ever notice that Our Man Williard *never* actually discusses Game? Wassup with that?
O
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GNPs are for Apes
“White men generally view black women as ape-like”
I see them as whale-like, rather. The rotund bowhead whale is the most precise metaphor.
There are plenty of wiry, simian black females. Michelle Obama looks ape-like to me not whale-like.
Jeez, look at this Google image search of her name.
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watching honorary black man libby and gnp colbert pull”scientific” theory out their ass and trade them is like watching retards trying to fuck…fun for them, but a laughable freakshow to everyone else
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Not true.I get a lot of attention from black girls.
its not that white guys never get attention from black chicks or that black chicks never get attention from white guys but rather that both in general arent especially attracted to each other. black chick usually has to be top notch to make a white guy cross over and white guy has to be way above what a black chick will usually settle for to make her cross over. their level of attraction for each other is similar…it happens, but its a lot more rare
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–There are plenty of wiry, simian black females. Michelle Obama looks ape-like to me not whale-like.–
True. I see her as Klingon-like myself. She has no fat, though (other than her vast ass).
It is funny to see the left demand that standards of beauty be redefined to conform to Michelle O.
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libster, i think you got gnp colbert turned on. now’s a good time to go for the reach around! whisper sweet nothings about iq into his ear and he’s yours for the taking! lmao!
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“Due to lack of pressure to be beautiful, black women default into obesity. ”
As a black woman, I have to say that we lack no pressure to be beautiful. The pressure to be beautiful is universal for women. There are many reasons, some complex and others simple, behind obesity in the black community – but a lack of pressure regarding looks is not one of them.
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Again: ever notice that Our Man Williard *never* actually discusses Game? Wassup with that?
O
if his game theories make as much sense as his race shit (black guys only like asians because now white guys like them, not because of genuine sexual attraction? say what now? ), be thankful for that.
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GNP The Apeman,
I don’t buy the idea that every single Black Woman alive or dead is obese, because my day to day reality, which happens to entail actually being *around Black Women* on the regular (hint hint) says something different.
Over the course of a day I see Black Women of all shapes and sizes and skin shades. Some bony maronis, others approaching that “Orca” size you and Willie fixate on (you do know what they say about people who seem to fixate on something or someone, right? Hmm…). Again, remember, I actually spend a lot more time around and among Black Women than you and Willie combined.
Now, if you want to say that, on average, Black Women are heavier than White, I’d agree readily. But that’s not what you and Willie are saying.
Also:
Lurker, are we really gonna make a comparison of Owens to Rice, or Harrison? OK then-who was Rice’s QB? Who was Harrison’s QB? Now, who was Owens’ QBs?
Who are Super Bowl winning QBs Lurker? Could that have anything to do with things?
O
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O wrote:
“So, as it always seems it must, this is a matter of just how much realtime exposure one has to Black folk. From what I gather of what you’ve said, you don’t seem to have much in the way of actual interaction. Not that its a crime, it isn’t. But you see, when I wanted to better understand Jewish folk, I decided to attend Synagogue and the Seder, and sitdown and discuss things with them on a whole range of things. It helped me to better see where they’re coming from. No, I don’t claim any expertise here. Just a willingness to listen.”
Greetings,
Apologies, my writing must not have been clear. I am a Black, Jewish, Physicist. 😉 Plenty of experience with Black folk, just much, much better luck with WF than BF.
The point I was trying to make is that for a black man with certain tastes and interests, his interests can yield far more interactions with WF than BF.
My current SO is a biologist, but I’d be willing to slum with Dr. Rice, I have enough interest in economics to benefit from her expertise and knowledge of the Soviets, likewise a Dr. Rice might have enjoyed listening to Caroline Glick speak about the middle east, iran’s nuclear ambitions, and russian involvement. The hall was packed for that talk and zero black women in attendance. Still trying to figure out that one.
I’m not trying to claim that high IQ, educated, and intellectually rigorous black women don’t exist, just that they are not seen in my world. I’m pretty flexible on a woman’s complexion; height-weight ratios and reading material, not so much .
Holla Right,
Dark Wing Duck
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I think it’s hard to get a lot out of a single picture… but yes 2nd from right is very sexually excited.
I think the 1st from the right will be a cockblocker…. I really don’t like the hard look in her eye or her bringing the toy…. or her body language. She’s got a script about guys, and she is going to impose it on you.
3rd from right…. who knows. Probably not having fun. If the purple stain is old…. she doesn’t even want to be there/didn’t even bother to dress up. I guess she is the bride, and she may be embarrassed about 1st from rights behavior. Or not. Making up elaborate stories from limited facts isn’t a great idea.
4th from right…. purple girl seems like she could actually be an ok girl… and I agree with El Guapo(not that I could come up with what he said on my own), you could probably break her off. I would also say she is a little excited right now.
So, my take is 1st from right will aggressively try to control the conversation in a nasty way. 2nd from right is most sexually excited. 3rd from right is something or other(possible a ‘get’s sleepy’ drunk, or the bride), and 4th from right, purple girl, is the one I would actually try for… and try to break her off.
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Anyone care to return to addressing Roissy’s challenge on how to proceed from his beginning on this four girl set, with the middle blonde against the pillar the postulated target?
This aspect of game is what I’m weakest on and have generally historically worked around, so I’m mostly interested in hearing from others before Roissy’s follow up. Which I trust this time we’ll get cause where was the follow up to his challenge on reading the social situation thrown out a month ago or so now?
Anyway, I’d want my break off the two blondes, with my wingman breaking out the two brunettes to the left. Ditz may or may not be a party girl as opposed to normally only an attention whore, but she seems to cockblock to me.
So entertaining them both, at first giving a bit more attention to the attention whore to keep her engaged, but then sifting to target girl and her only, seem the way to go. I suspect that attention whore / party girl will simply take herself out and go find a cluster than will give her more attention.
Having done all this I think I’d be well on my way with target, if she’s available or willing to be available at all.
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Mr. Anon,
You hit the nail on the head, watching Willie and Apeman go at it is sick. Ugh.
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make that:
Ditz may or may not be a party girl as opposed to normally only an attention whore, but she seems like no cockblock to me.
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Obsidian – Again: ever notice that Our Man Williard *never* actually discusses Game? Wassup with that?
A tidbit.
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justlooking
Thank you for your level and reflective comment.
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DWD,
Ok, that’s wassup, I was listening to an interview the other day about a Black Rabbi, who just happens to be kin to Michelle Obama. Perhaps you’ve heard of him, I believe he’s out in Chitown, too.
Anyway, again I maintain what I said, I’ve personally known many Black Women, highly educated and greatly engaged in the world. Both of mine are such examples, both honors grads. Although in fairness, they don’t think that highly of Rice though, lol.
Oh, and when I went to Seder, there were a few Black Jews in attendance as well. Very interesting experience.
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GNP Colbert said:
Chris Rock’s latest standup bit explains in great detail why black men will accept, or even prefer, obese white women.
ok colbert, i’m so glad you used this example. the standup you so happily mention…wasn’t that the same routine where he points out that black chicks are also not attracted to white men unless theyre an especially good catch? huh? i know you have mental block that ignore anything that doesnt flatter white people so you may have missed it. if chris rock is right in everything he says and is such an authority, does that mean that you are now willing to admit that black women are generally just not that attracted to white men? after all according to you that standup routine is gospel right?
not that i expect you to honestly engage me because your scared of me and all, this is more just a rhetorical queston to make you look like moron to other commenters yet again
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I’d use a situational opener too.
To horny girl: “So, I see you’re ovulating.”
To dildo girl: “I hope you’re keeping an eye on your friend.” Smirk.
Back to horny girl: “Yeah I can tell, my wife and I are trying for a kid so I get texts at all hours and have to rush home and ravish her body. Well I’m sure you know the drill, looks like you girls are out for a quiet night.”
Move in between her and the dildo girl while keeping eye contact. Rest hand on her thigh and wait for whatever she has to say. “Oh, we’re just getting started / Yup, girls night out / Blowing off steam from work / I just chopped off my husbands penis and we’re laying low for a while/ whatever”
Then switch the conversation to my jaunt to Mongolia and subsequent wrestling with the descendants of Genghis Khan, who are actually the nicest people. People literally welcome you into their homes. On the flight back to China we were stuck in a regional airport and a Mongolian man got a cup of tea from a stall and was so surprised when he was asked to pay. In Mongolia that’s just an expected hospitality.
Then roll with another unrelated story. Say a childhood sickness story that I unexpected overcame, I’m not really sure of the medical details but basically I’m awesome.
Move hand further up thigh and slip in deeper between legs. Breathe heavily in her ear. Moan. Put her hand on my penis and cum in my pants. Act angry and tell her my wife is going to be really upset with her that she wasted my sperm AND ruined my nice linen pants, which my wife bought for me because they really suit me. Excuse myself.
Hang around with other dudes, she’ll find me for round 2.
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gnp, you didnt even put correct clip up to back up your point. but here it is:
so yes he says black men will date any black chick. i explained why. yet you ignore the part where he says black women also dont find white men attractive. why leave that out? so dishonest. if chris rock is the authority you say he is, as usual you argued against your own point. and if rock isnt right and you disagree, then he isnt the authority you claim and you need to shut up. either way, you lose. as usual 😉
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Mr. Anon,
Keep spanking Apeman…hmm…on second thought, he go start to get off on that, LOL.
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Ovid – Not true.I get a lot of attention from black girls.I’m white.And personally,I think black girls are very sexy.They have curves very few white women have.Why dont white guys and black girls admit their attraction for each other?Obsidian,you have any theories?
You sound like the gay guys who think every normal guy is harboring repressed homosexual desires.
“Come on admit it”, *wink wink*. Some gays think like this. They can’t admit that their feelings are not universal.
True, there are all kinds of people with differing sexual interests.
My comments were qualified by “in general, generally speaking, for the most part” etc etc. Don’t follow up with an attempted refutation that merely highlights your personal preferences or those who are in the minority.
We know you’re out there, relax.
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Now this takes the cake.
Not only does Willie have the psychological expertise to basically put millions of Black Men on the collective couch and make grand pronouncements about their minds, but he now can tell Ovid, a Man who aint never even met, that his experiences are akin to a Gay Man’s?!?
Whew
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You sound like the gay guys who think every normal guy is harboring repressed homosexual desires.
“Come on admit it”, *wink wink*. Some gays think like this. They can’t admit that their feelings are not universal.
whats scary is this actually makes sense in your head and is a good argument.
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Mr. Anon,
Keep spanking Apeman…hmm…on second thought, he go start to get off on that, LOL.
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ehh, can’t get too happy. its like a normal dude shutting down a special olympian in athletic competition. yah its technically a win, but how proud can you really be about it?
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Mr. Anon,
And to think these are “educated” guys-Apeman claims to have gone to UPenn for God’s sake. WEB DuBois’ gotta be rolling over in his grave…
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GNPs are for Apes – 3) Thus, most black women are not attractive to any men of any race. Black men still do them, however, due to point 1).
I’ve lived most of my life in the urban northeast of the US and I’ve noticed that it seems like the heavier black females have the most kids.
So somebody is having sex with them and I don’t think they were all in shape before the got pregnant.
There are many reasons for black male preference for fatties. One theory I have is that black males unconsciously think their children by fat women will be better able to protect themselves in the confrontational black social environment. It’s harder to push around a big fatty, child or adult, even if they aren’t athletic.
A black Keira Knightly’s kids would be in serious trouble.
Eddie Murphy comments on African vs American women.
Ironic considering the women he actually prefers. Other than the big footed trannies that is.
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I have a plan for the end of black-white anymosity in America, since we’re here in the same boat, we share a history in this country, and as a white guy, I seriously like black people when they are cool:
Black men will henceforth on not touch or even attempt to court a white woman unless her old man is ok with it in principle, or is a liberal.
White men will accept that blacks have their own style in doing things and will henceforth on not patronize, badmouth, or condescent to blacks, unless said black individual merits such treatment.
Call it the Treaty of PA.
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ms. anonymous said :
–gnp, you didnt even put correct clip up to back up your point. but here it is:–
OMG, you were actually dumb enough to take the bait. I deliberately put the wrong clip, to make sure YOU put the right clip that proves YOU wrong, and confirms the opinion held by all whites here + David Alexander.
Ho ho ho ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew Obese-dian would be smart enough not to fall for this, but you stupid dumbshit fell for it. No wonder you were enslaved so easily be Anglos, Portuguese, Arabs, etc. You did 90% of the work for them!
I normally don’t respond to this ‘anonymous’ coward-wuss, but this is too good. I gave him enough rope to, er….I don’t want to say that, but this was just too, too easy…..
Heh heh heh heh
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There are many reasons for black male preference for fatties. One theory I have is that black males unconsciously think their children by fat women will be better able to protect themselves in the confrontational black social environment. It’s harder to push around a big fatty, child or adult, even if they aren’t athletic.
psa time: mothers, if you birth a tard offspring, don’t let him grow up to read evo psych 😉 the result is this.
downs syndrome + race realism + skimming evo psych book = honorary black man willy libby
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OMG, you were actually dumb enough to take the bait. I deliberately put the wrong clip, to make sure YOU put the right clip that proves YOU wrong, and confirms the opinion held by all whites here + David Alexander.
Ho ho ho ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew Obese-dian would be smart enough not to fall for this, but you stupid dumbshit fell for it. No wonder you were enslaved so easily be Anglos, Portuguese, Arabs, etc. You did 90% of the work for them!
I normally don’t respond to this ‘anonymous’ coward-wuss, but this is too good. I gave him enough rope to, er….I don’t want to say that, but this was just too, too easy…..
Heh heh heh heh
is anyone else buying this?
no, didn’t think so.
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Obese-dian wrote :
And to think these are “educated” guys-Apeman claims to have gone to UPenn for God’s sake.
er..I provided a logical, well detailed reasoning. You have no counterpoint. It is the widely accepted wisdom and visibly true everywhere, and merely confirmed by Chris Rock.
And you, of all people, call ME an Ape..
Translation : Obese-dian has finally conceded the truth, and is at a loss for a rebuttal.
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Enough of the race stuff.
There is a real threat to the fabric of society. The British government wants to de-ball Top Gear. They feel there are not enough women on a program about three guys “cocking about.”
Top Gear is pure guy-stuff. It features three guys spending the BBC’s money to drive fast cars and smoke their tires. Sometimes they blow things up as well. Nice simple formula that some PC types would love to see go away.
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gnp, you were doing better when you just didn’t answer. lol
by the way, i notice you still dodged what he said about black women being attracted to white men in that desperate response u just did. so if chris rock is gospel and as right as you say he is, are you finally going to admit that point. and if he’s wrong about that point, then why should we believe his point about black men’s sexual preferences.
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–“is anyone else buying this?
no, didn’t think so.”–
Translation : The ‘anonymous’ coward is humilated at being tricked so easily. No wonder your race was chosen for slavery – you make it so easy.
At least Obese-dian was smart enough to not take the bait. His ancestors earned freedom before the civil war granted it to the dumbest, like your ancestors.
As if anyone would actually put the wrong video up, immediately after seeing if it had the content he wanted.
heh heh heh heh heh
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<iTranslation : Obese-dian has finally conceded the truth, and is at a loss for a rebuttal.
kind of how you are at a loss of a rebuttal whenever i spank you? you know, like how i point out chris rock refuted one of your sacred cows? we know the real reason you didnt post the right clip, its because you didnt want people to see that it also said that black women dont find white men attractive. if you posted the right clip, ppl would have seen you were dishonestly cherry picking the routine to back up your point.
if you are going to mock someone for not being able to rebut you, practice what you preach. the only rebuttals you ever give me are “wiggery faggot” “ms anonymous” and “im above responding to you.” some “logical, well detailed reasoning” there.
i fucking own you.
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my son gnp said:
Translation : Obese-dian has finally conceded the truth, and is at a loss for a rebuttal.
kind of how you are at a loss of a rebuttal whenever i spank you? you know, like how i point out chris rock refuted one of your sacred cows? we know the real reason you didnt post the right clip, its because you didnt want people to see that it also said that black women dont find white men attractive. if you posted the right clip, ppl would have seen you were dishonestly cherry picking the routine to back up your point.
if you are going to mock someone for not being able to rebut you, practice what you preach. the only rebuttals you ever give me are “wiggery faggot” “ms anonymous” and “im above responding to you.” some “logical, well detailed reasoning” there.
i fucking own you.
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ranslation : The ‘anonymous’ coward is humilated at being tricked so easily. No wonder your race was chosen for slavery – you make it so easy.
At least Obese-dian was smart enough to not take the bait. His ancestors earned freedom before the civil war granted it to the dumbest, like your ancestors.
As if anyone would actually put the wrong video up, immediately after seeing if it had the content he wanted.
heh heh heh heh heh
dude just lose gracefully, lmao. this is just embarassing now. you’re not built for intellectual debate bro
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gnp colbert is the kind of dude who would get his ass kicked, pick his face off the floor and then brag “see, i just pummeled your fists with my face, take that!” really delusional
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No wonder your race was chosen for slavery – you make it so easy.
i guess we can call this thread reverse slavery then because this black man owned the shit out of yu in it 😉
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ah….. the ‘wahhh wahhh’ sounds of indignant humiliation from the pwned dumbass……..
heh heh heh heh… I can’t believe you actually dug up the clip that says black men (like you) prefer obese white women. Again, I gave you enough rope with which to……
Shall we see if you take the bait again?
Ha ha
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Mr. Anon,
Like I said, Apeman claims to have gone to *UPenn* but tries to make such a BS argument w/a straightface…whew.
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..Like I said, Apeman claims to have gone to *UPenn* but tries to make such a BS argument w/a straightface…whew. ..
Obese-dian,
It is clear, logical, and a view held by many blacks. You and I both know it. It is airtight.
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Fuck it , why not just go over smile , put out your hand , smile at the target and say to them all ….
“Ladies , I would like to borrow your friend here for 10 minutes for a chat and promise to return her back”
If the target takes your hand … you have already isolated and can work your game on her.
If she declines … you can say “No problem , you can talk to the cock your friend is holding instead”
If the mother hen or others jump in to “protect” the taget , say , …. ” Well , Im going to be over there (point to where you came from” … If you can get your friends to treat you like an adult and can make your own decisions , feel free to come over ” Pause and wait a couple of seconds and then go back to where you came from.
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Some kind of weird homosexual Game seems to be being played on GNPs are for Apes by mr anonymous and his wingman obsidian.
mr anonymous – i fucking own you.
Kid, what are you a 12 year old. What’s next Epic Fail and pwned?
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Damn! This was a nice thread about opening a set until “Obsidian” turns it into another asinine black versus white racial nonsense. And “lurker” couldnt resist taking the racial bait.
Fuck! WTF?
Damn, if Obsidian were here yesterday he probably turned yesterday’s thread to another black versus white again!
tick tock tick tock….till he turns tomorrow’s thread into another black versus white racial nonsense and “lurker” again takes the racial bait.
And on and on and on and on….it goes again for the umpteenth time.
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heh heh heh heh… I can’t believe you actually dug up the clip that says black men (like you) prefer obese white women. Again, I gave you enough rope with which to……
more desperate spinning to save face? check. more avoidance of any challenges I threw at you? check. congrats, you’re still my bitch!;)
Just be real about it colbert. you wanted to use chris rock’s skit because it said black men like fat. women, which made your dick erect to hear. But it also said unflattering things about white men too, namely that black chicks aren’t attracted to white men, something you always say aint true. Yo needed to have your cake and eat it too, use the antiblack shit from the skit while dodging tge parts unfavorable to your position After all according to past threads you claim that black women are “invariably” attracted to white guys. This posed problem for you. You want to use chris rocks antiblack arguments from skit but avoid discussing antiwhite parts. So you deliberatly and cowardly posted the wrong clip so ppl couldn’t see antiwhite comments then typed only the antiblack points out of contxt below clip to make ur point. Lmao, what kind of idiot does a weak trick like that with a chris rock sketch millions of ppl saw om hbo? u really t*hought someone wouldn’t post the right clip and expose you as a dishonest coward? lmao!
now you claim you baited me? Baited me to what exactly? out you as a dishonest guy that plays fast and loose with the truth and has to conveniently omit shit and post wrong clips to avoid getting called out? you baited me to make you look like a moron yet again? yeah, I guess you did! congrats 😉 lmao
so anyway since your so fond of accusing ppl of avoiding your points, will u finally address one of mine? If rock’s skit is as gospel as you claim does that mean you also are now forced to admit that black chicks are not on avg attracted to white men since that was also something he said in that skit (even tho u didn’t want us to know that, hence your clip bait and switch)
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The race thing has been done to death. Time to move on.
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The Top Gear stuff … women are generally uninterested in cars, and yet won’t leave guys alone to watch stuff they like. Men don’t demand suddenly that “the View” has on it Mike Ditka and Terry Bradshaw to balance out the Estrogen.
Proof that women want to basically exile men from Public Life, the female utopia is a few Alpha males, lots of “fabulous” gay guys, and women. Which to my mind explains the otherwise inexplicable anti-gay feelings. [I.E. it’s to straight men’s advantage to reduce sexual competition for women, but if women wish to force non-Alpha men into “gay status” then anti-gay feelings emerge.]
Re: Black guy’s game. Lost in this is the strong White female preference for hard-bodied Black guys. Most of the attractive White women I know have a strong preference for low body fat NBA players, who have both height and great definition, and prefer the dominant Black players over the guys who are just as good but look “soft” due to higher body fat content: the Nash’s and the Nowicke’s and so on.
I think it’s telling that the actresses who have the most appeal to White guys (Sanaa Lathan, Halle Berry, Angela Basset, etc) tend to have higher levels of body fat, i.e. less lean and “masculine” looking than say, tough, roid-appearing Williams sisters. [“Something New” with Simon Baker (“the Mentalist”) and Sanaa Lathan did in fact cover the rather uncommon White Guy / Black Woman pairing, with class issues as well, Baker playing a working class landscaper, Lathan a Yuppie Lawyer.]
There seems to be a “sweet spot” for femininity that has a certain percentage of body fat, certainly aging White actresses like Madonna, Sharon Stone, Helen Hunt, look awful with their gaunt appearance, and it’s no accident that among the many procedures older women have done is lip plumping (Lisa Rinna being the prime example, but also Teri Hatcher and Melanie Griffith). Trying to lose body fat to appear youthful in outline and physique, while retaining “facial body fat” to appear more youthful. FWIW, Lathan, Berry, and particularly Angela Basset have aged better (as did Nichelle Nichols from Star Trek) that the overly aerobicized White counterparts.
Women seem largely ill-prepared to deal with aging and loss of beauty. Which can often be very rapid in terms of attractiveness declines, i.e. in just a few years.
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Kid, what are you a 12 year old. What’s next Epic Fail and pwned?
the guy who compared someone to gay man for saying he liked black women calls someone else out for being immature. really now? pot meet kettle yet again, libster.
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“Women seem largely ill-prepared to deal with aging and loss of beauty. ”
Indeed. This is notable, because women’s attractiveness graph is so steep in both directions.
They go from child to age 18-peak beauty in a short while. They get used to it. Then, after 32 or so, the plunge is fast. They are not prepared for how differently they get treated in just a short time.
It can be psychologically jarring. The only equivalent for a man would be to rapidly go bald before age 30, and even that can be offset in a few ways.
Men, on the other hand, never experience this type of a fall-off. Their fall-off is not only much later, but much more gentle, and can be somewhat offset even after age 45 with Game, money, and marketing themselves as worldly and experienced.
Plastic surgery seems like a poor choice to take. While a woman may look better in the short term, aging makes the plastic surgery look even worse over the longer term. So many older women who got multiple rounds of plastic surgery drift into the uncanny valley, so to speak. They look worse than if they had never gotten anything at all.
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Thursday —
I agree. Time to move on.
Why don’t you give Roissy’s challenge a shot, where he left it off, with your wingman just called over to join the group?
You’re a young game enthusiast who’s full time employed but who’s learned quite a bit over the last year reading and trying things out, right? You’ve often seemed to have good game ideas and insights in the past. Give it a shot.
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mr. anonymous / T aka Rickey Raw–
Isn’t it time to give it a rest?
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Tood–
I’d add a few years to your scenarios. While there are a few girls that peak at 18, I think most women peak at 22-25. Actually there’s usually little to choose in that range and very little if any deterioration, while in some late bloomers and enhancement. Some women peak as late as their late twenties, and many don’t deteriorate much if at all in their twenties, looks wise.
However if they’re in the urban single dating market they do usually deteriorate a lot hardness wise from their middle to late twenties.
If women exercise to stay fit, rapid deterioration tends to not start until their middle thirties seems to me, and can sometimes be delayed until about 40. However the hardness factor in never married urban American women as they pass thirty usually starts to get severe, tempered in a way by a cynical resignation. But it’s not in a fun way often enough.
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Every man should also be made to watch a episode of “Housewives of Orange County”, “Bridezilla” and “Wedding Planner”. By the end of that marathon, most men will not require to be told that women are amoral emotion driven shysters.
Those shows are an excellent source for one’s daily requirement of nail fetish material. Housewives is also great if you’re into MILFs and Cougars, while Bridezilla periodically has the chubby white girls that make some men blush and hard…
Black men will henceforth on not touch or even attempt to court a white woman unless her old man is ok with it in principle, or is a liberal.
How do I know if he’s okay with it when I meet the girl? Are we supposed to call home before running game?
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Proof that women want to basically exile men from Public Life, the female utopia is a few Alpha males, lots of “fabulous” gay guys, and women. Which to my mind explains the otherwise inexplicable anti-gay feelings. [I.E. it’s to straight men’s advantage to reduce sexual competition for women, but if women wish to force non-Alpha men into “gay status” then anti-gay feelings emerge.]
Interesting, Whiskey.
So you think that women see betas in the same way they see gay men *sexually* (that is, not attracted), but prefer the company of gay men because they are more feminized and more like women than betas — and would then logically prefer more betas to either be gay or metrosexual.
The only problem with that is that if more betas became gay (even if possible in theory — I do not think male sexual orientation is very fluid, there is no study suggesting that it is), women would lose their ex-husband meal tickets to subsidize future sexual engagement with alphas. So I don’t think that’s what you’re saying — I’ve probably misread you there.
To me, it seems logical, as you have said elsewhere, that women prefer betas to be heterosexual, because then at least some of them are “useful” (even if sexually unattractive) as husbands and in many cases ex-husbands — support coming in the form of shared parenting and household responsibilities, or, in the case of exes, at least good financial support. I do think that many women see beta males who are not “useful” to them as husbands, or sugar daddies, or emotional tampons/friends, as being completely useless and have an attitude of intense disdain for them.
It’s this disdain that underlies sexual harassment law. As SNL did up well in one of its skits, harassment is essentially a law that prevents unwanted, undesired betas from expressing sexual interest in the workplace. It does not prevent alphas from doing so, because the attention from alphas was — and is — *wanted*. So the law was drafted in a way to continue to allow the desirable men to make passes at women at work (and they do, we all have seen it), while the undesirable are put in a box, legally. When you step back and look at harassment law, you gain an instant understanding of how women are, in sexual terms, and what they think about *most* men (betas).
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Whiskey, your erudite observations never cease to amaze.
The best explanation of anti-gay biases in straight men I have ever read.
Basically gays being de-sexualized betas that don’t hinder the access to alphas. Acceptance of gays thereby being an acceptance of de-sexualization and sexual irrelevance .
That explains why females in certain New Guinea tribes practice male infanticide.
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“Now it’s your turn.”
I would wait for the Roissy of the room to go up to them and give them a reason to want to display their sexual desirability in an overt way. I would just sit there next to them with my arm around their shoulder and wait for them to down enough drinks to make out with me just to titilate the boys. Then I would remind them in their inebriated state that players won’t respect them in the morning, so they best get a number and take it slow if they really want a chance with a Roissy and I would take them home myself.
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The task set by Roissy was “Open This Set”
Not , give me your evolutionary psychology , social biology theories ad nauseum.
Open the fucking set !
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The apemans of the world are the reason SWPLs will remain in power for decades to come.
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I’d walk up to the one on the left, smile, and say hi like I was gonna chat her up. Then I’d say “Ummm, listen, I forgot my glasses, um, do you know where the bathroom is?”
She and her friends would point and probably laugh a bit. Then I’d walk away. When I came back, someone would be bound to ask the cliche line “Did everything come out OK?” Then I’d take it from there. If they didn’t ask, I could say thanks, and expect some jokes.
Asking so-called “innocent” questions to strange women has been my MO since teenhood and I’ve had really good success with it.
When I was 19, I once snagged a totally hot, out-of-my-league 30-year-old outside a concert with the question, “Uh..do you know what time it is?” When we got inside, just like I expected, she eventually saw me and said “You’re the young man who asked me for the time!” I had little work to do after that and she blew off all the guys who were overtly hitting on her for me. So there!
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More sexbot updates :
“The robotic framework for the HRP-4C, without the face and other coverings, will go on sale for about 20 million yen ($200,000) each, and its programming technology will be made public so other people can come up with fun moves for the robot, the scientists said.”
$200,000? People can program fun moves?
If software nerd hobbyists are programming iPhone Aps now, these lesser Betas/Omegas will have tons to do pretty soon…
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What is a “GNP?”
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Niko:
Whiskey, your erudite observations never cease to amaze.
The best explanation of anti-gay biases in straight men I have ever read.
Basically gays being de-sexualized betas that don’t hinder the access to alphas. Acceptance of gays thereby being an acceptance of de-sexualization and sexual irrelevance .
I never thought of that before, but it makes a lot of sense. Too much sense. It certainly explains some of the behavior I’ve observed in my area.
I also think someone else mentioned the phenomenon of a certain segment of the lesbian population being women who have an unusually strong need for alphas, and who go gay when they are faced with the stark choice of settling for a beta. I’ve met more than a couple lesbian locals on South Beach who would fit that description.
But the whole idea of women “shooing” unwanted betas into metrosexual/fabulous/gay roles so as not to pester the women in their quest for alphas is an intriguing one.
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–What is a “GNP?”–
Gross National Product. Much like Gross Domestic Product (GDP), but with foreign income added.
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feministx.blogspot.com – The apemans of the world are the reason SWPLs will remain in power for decades to come.
Yes, of course and men who are jerks, cads and scoundrels are the reason women prefer “good guys”.
Same logic.
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Sexbots will effectively fill the stripclub niche, but greatly expand it. In other words, what if you could afford to go to a stripclub every day, have sex with the strippers, and not have any consequences.
Today,
Sex with a 10 > Las Vegas Stripclub > Sex with a 7
Soon,
Sex with a 10 > 10-like Sexbot > Sex with a 7
So women 7 and below are in big trouble. Even 8s/9s/10s who cross age 35-37 and drop to 7s or less will find that drop to be more dramatic.
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schoolboy
What is a “GNP?”
It means glorious natural pelt. Some guy on here has a serious fetish for women with lots of pubic hair.
Women who shave are his enemy.
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“But the whole idea of women “shooing” unwanted betas into metrosexual/fabulous/gay roles so as not to pester the women in their quest for alphas is an intriguing one.”
It will never happen. The two most likely paths are :
1) Technology, whether 3-D/VR/Hologram sex or sexbots
2) The age-old practice of disenfranchised men banding together to take things by force, usually from unmarried women.
These are the only two possible endgames.
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It will never happen. The two most likely paths are :
1) Technology, whether 3-D/VR/Hologram sex or sexbots
2) The age-old practice of disenfranchised men banding together to take things by force, usually from unmarried women.
These are the only two possible endgames.
The first endgame is chilling because it is so close to reality.
Would it not be in the interests of alphas and most women to shoo men into sexbots, increase taxes so that their wealth can be redistributed to the single mothers, and women don’t need to deal at all with the betas they despise and think of as social refuse?
The main issue I see is that most men, in that situation, will not produce or invest much — the robot is like sexual alcohol — it doesn’t encourage men to be ambitious or to invest in society at all, really. So perhaps the first endgame is merely a prelude to the second one?
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“Yes, of course and men who are jerks, cads and scoundrels are the reason women prefer “good guys”.”
No, they are the reason women fall for bad guys.
“I also think someone else mentioned the phenomenon of a certain segment of the lesbian population being women who have an unusually strong need for alphas, and who go gay when they are faced with the stark choice of settling for a beta.”
Some ideological lesbians are like this. Some lesbians are that way because of an aethetic preference for women. Some lesbian sexuality is based in ideology (which is itself rooted in their biology). Not all the ideological lesbians have a strong need for an alpha though I have met at least five women that fit that description. It’s easy to confuse those with lesbians that will “break” if abused by someone extremely dominant. Even men do that- in prison some straight men that are forced to bottom end up accepting the role and learn to get into it even though they revert to being straight once out of prison.
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If I were that Jon dude I would totally cheat on that Kate cunt just to punish her. It’s too bad the press had to blow his ride. I think he could turn into some sort of rock star now where he tours the country selling products aimed at men that stand up against the clucking hen. If this story is true, Roissy should make a special “man of the year” award named after him. He’s standing up for the male world.
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in prison some straight men that are forced to bottom end up accepting the role and learn to get into it
Learn to get into it? Do women who are raped learn to get into imposed sex?
Your bias is disgusting.
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feministx.blogspot.com
“Yes, of course and men who are jerks, cads and scoundrels are the reason women prefer “good guys”.”
No, they are the reason women fall for bad guys.
Obviously, and as a response to your post that’s exactly what I meant.
You’re very short. That one went over your little empty head.
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“Learn to get into it? Do women who are raped learn to get into imposed sex?”
Yes. Stolckholm syndrome experienced by kidnapped women.
“Your bias is disgusting.”
That is how the men that experience it describe their behavior. I read a memoir (which I will try to find) about a man that began to sway his hips like a woman when he walked passed his rapists to show his acceptance of his role after being raped in prison.
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Willard Libby wrote :
“Some kind of weird homosexual Game seems to be being played on GNPs are for Apes by mr anonymous and his wingman obsidian.”
That appears to be true. So far, I merely pointed out that black men would fuck anything, but this still assumes the object of their lust is female (even if a 1).
But if they are even after a male…. does this lead us to conclude that black men (at least mr. anonymous-type metro-faggots) are Bi?
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“You’re very short. That one went over your little empty head.”
Your retort reveals a startling lack of cruelty towards me considering the kind of insults you seem to enjoy using when speaking of other people’s phenotypes.
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Femx —
So you are saying that there are lesbians who have been “broken” by sufficiently dominant men, and coerced into being het?
What % of women do you think are lesbian?
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“So you are saying that there are lesbians who have been “broken” by sufficiently dominant men, and coerced into being het?”
Yes. And there have been men who have done the same. Though there are also some lesbians that are only willing to sleep with extremely dominant alphas and this predilection does not come from abuse. As for the percentage of lesbians- not more than 5% and probably less.
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Niko, thanks.
Feminist — you are describing an all male oddball society. Prison is not the outside world. In reality, most men either kill each other over women (Pitcairn Island, West Africa, British Underclass, Black Ghettos) or treat them as disposable sex objects (ditto) or use extreme violence to enforce their harems (the Muslim world).
Take your pick. Women do best, overall, with their sexual freedom constrained so they pick the best available man and must remain (relatively) faithful to him (and vice versa). Otherwise they are objects to be disposed of as the most powerful men will.
Again as a Lesbian there is simply no way for your understand from the male perspective the desire to have exclusive sexual access to a woman. That is what Western Civilization was founded on (there’s these stories called the Iliad and the Odyssey). Men kill to retain their wives (as Odysseus slaughtered Penelope’s suitors) or they invest in them not at all. That’s your choices, socially. Yes they suck. Deal.
Novaseeker — To be clear I think most women would WANT men to be pushed into “gayness” so they are not the subject of unwanted beta male sexual desire, get to use beta males as “fabulous gay friends” as emotional support while they have sex with Dominant Alphas, and don’t have beta men “blocking Alphas” from having sex with them.
This probably explains why beta men hate Gays so much, they resent women wanting their own sexual desires to be purged or altered towards men.
People are usually excellent at figuring out their short-term interests, so anti-gay feelings have to make sense from the short-term perspective of straight men wanting to maximize sexual chances.
I think women have shifted radically, even more hard towards a bifurcated role for men. Either sexy, intermittent dominant Alphas, or “gay men” without any role for betas. Because betas are full of sexual desire that most women find annoying to dangerous. I don’t think women want even beta husbands, anymore, given the rise of single motherhood. The ones with husbands I do see are very, very gay-ish. The author of Marley and Me being the most prime example (I swear I thought he was gay when he was on the screen). His wife seemed dismissive of him even though clearly he was the main breadwinner and famous.
I don’t think women WANT companionship-based marriage any more. Most women out-earn men in the urban professional area, and don’t need or want a guy as a glorified housekeeper. Rosa from El Salvador has that covered, cheaper. There’s always an illiterate nanny to raise her kids with the most appalling superstitions (while her own are of course neglected).
Women can AFFORD the bad boy dominant Alpha. It’s the ultimate in female empowerment (contra feminstx) and that makes the female utopia one with a few dominant men they share, plus a side order of lipstick lesbianism, “fabulous” gay men for emotional support, and no beta men existing at all.
After all, what’s the interest to women of Top Gear being an all-male hosted show, when it has about zero appeal to women? Why do women care about making it mostly female? Because women want beta males GONE out of all areas of public life. Simple as that.
It won’t happen of course, it’s disaster. I don’t think VR/Sexbots are the real threat. More like “super-roofies” or pheremones making men temporarily into Alphas, and a chemical arms race between beta males and women to see who can use chemicals the best to win the mating competition.
Just imagine, for example, the billions or trillions you could make on the black market from a perfume that would make a man irresistible sexually to say, 2 out of 15 women he met. Now imagine how much you could make selling a chemical that would counteract that effect.
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Though there are also some lesbians that are only willing to sleep with extremely dominant alphas and this predilection does not come from abuse
In other words … you?
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Novaseeker — To be clear I think most women would WANT men to be pushed into “gayness” so they are not the subject of unwanted beta male sexual desire, get to use beta males as “fabulous gay friends” as emotional support while they have sex with Dominant Alphas, and don’t have beta men “blocking Alphas” from having sex with them.
This probably explains why beta men hate Gays so much, they resent women wanting their own sexual desires to be purged or altered towards men.
People are usually excellent at figuring out their short-term interests, so anti-gay feelings have to make sense from the short-term perspective of straight men wanting to maximize sexual chances.
I think women have shifted radically, even more hard towards a bifurcated role for men. Either sexy, intermittent dominant Alphas, or “gay men” without any role for betas. Because betas are full of sexual desire that most women find annoying to dangerous. I don’t think women want even beta husbands, anymore, given the rise of single motherhood. The ones with husbands I do see are very, very gay-ish. The author of Marley and Me being the most prime example (I swear I thought he was gay when he was on the screen). His wife seemed dismissive of him even though clearly he was the main breadwinner and famous.
I don’t think women WANT companionship-based marriage any more. Most women out-earn men in the urban professional area, and don’t need or want a guy as a glorified housekeeper. Rosa from El Salvador has that covered, cheaper. There’s always an illiterate nanny to raise her kids with the most appalling superstitions (while her own are of course neglected).
Women can AFFORD the bad boy dominant Alpha. It’s the ultimate in female empowerment (contra feminstx) and that makes the female utopia one with a few dominant men they share, plus a side order of lipstick lesbianism, “fabulous” gay men for emotional support, and no beta men existing at all.
But I still think they want beta male support for kids. Single motherhood is a phenomenon, but most women want CS, and will try to arrange a pregnancy to guarantee it.
That’s why NOW and other groups resist any meaningful family law reform. While in the short term it is nice for women to fuck around and so on, in the long term, men divest, withdraw and don’t give a shit. I know you agree with that. I agree with you that most women don’t care, because the collapse will come later on — fair enough. But I don’t think that this is sustainable. Pheromone drugs may be interesting in terms of sexual attractions, I agree, but the long-tem ambitions won’t change much.
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to me none of the girls look old enough to be getting married..it’s a birthday thing or they were pre drinking and thought it would be funny to bring a sex toy out with them. from my experience, isolating may not be so difficult a task. the way you talk about the american nightlife scene makes it sound so uptight. when i go out with my friends i don’t ‘cockblock’ and they don’t either, unless the guy is a total freak. if someone is being talking to a guy you might participate in the convo, or go to the bar, dance, bathroom, maybe check in occasionally. the girl in the purple dress is the hottest. although she is suffering from oompa loompa jaundice. the so called ‘mother hen’ (why does there have to be a mother hen?) and her purple stain probably occurred at the venue and doesn’t have anything to do with anything except she’s either wasted or a klutz. they all look really boring to me. also don’t buy the whole loudly dressed= attention whore theory. girls love clothes and fashion. maybe she’s into floral.
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Whiskey
Do you have any data to support this?
It’s not what I see around me anecdotally at all.
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Whiskey–
I don’t see either assertion I quoted but focus first and foremost on data for the out earning one please.
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pheremones making men temporarily into Alphas
Fun Question: Do men use this on themselves, or do women use them on their beta boyfriends and husbands?
but most women want CS, and will try to arrange a pregnancy to guarantee it.
Interestingly, I’ve always wondered about that. One could argue that it’s the product of viewing fathers merely as financial sources, and I’ve questioned if the women who espouse such views were the products of emotionally distant or isolated fathers while growing up. If one grew up with a good father, wouldn’t you want a good father for your kids too?
On the flip side, as man, would you really want to stay married to some woman who only wanted you as a co-signer and complimentary income source?
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There was a study not to long ago that said women 20-35 in major metros were out earning similarly aged men. I am too tired to be arsed to find it now, but googling should be fruitful.
The key is similarly aged. Women tend to look up, and that is the basis of the complaint. They may be advanced quickly due to aff action and then find themselves “competing” with men 10+ years older, so then comes the glass ceiling and all the bitching that comes along with that. Women are out earning similarly aged men due to affirmative action, but when they advance they bitch and moan that the men in the upper tiers where they are now sitting are not sympathetic to them simply because they have a pussy, and expect results — damn those male-based standards, if women made the standards results would not matter, only genitals would.
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Top Gear
Best show ever. 🙂
It’s the ultimate in female empowerment (contra feminstx) and that makes the female utopia one with a few dominant men they share, plus a side order of lipstick lesbianism, “fabulous” gay men for emotional support, and no beta men existing at all.
I still get my hugs, right? Hell, the whole theory behind letting the alphas collude on the women is that I get female emotional access with none of the responsibilities of taking care of her like a boyfriend or husband, or dealing with the mess of having to actually engage with her sexually…
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DA —
On the flip side, as man, would you really want to stay married to some woman who only wanted you as a co-signer and complimentary income source?
No, but that is not a choice men have. Once you marry, you are done, you are a slave.
In that sense, I agree with you, DA.
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Whiskey, I think Novaseeker is correct. Women still want Beta men — as starter husbands whom they can fleece.
Remember, in modern society, family law has designated men as little more than sperm donors and wallets. The Alphas get to be the sperm donors and the Betas get to be the wallets.
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Remember, in modern society, family law has designated men as little more than sperm donors and wallets. The Alphas get to be the sperm donors and the Betas get to be the wallets.
I suspect that medium term relationships will simply develop without the legal frame work of marriage. In other words, it’s going to return to what some have considered marriage in the old days, the simple trade of tangible economic resources in exchange for sexual access. In other words, the male props up her lifestyle with the alpha kids, and he gets laid several times a week when she isn’t fucking alphas.
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There are different kinds of lesbians.
1) The conditioned lesbian- This is a lesbian that became one because she went to Smith college or something and was taught feminist philosophy which exalts lesbianism
2) The aesthetic lesbian- This is a lesbian that prefers the female body. I have met some like this that never use toys like dildos or strap ons because they are not interested in anything resebling the male body.
3) The ideological lesbian- Some of these are lesbians because they fail to identify with the female social role. Some accept aspects of feminist philosophy that call for rejection of males.
I am a combination of 2 and 3. I do like the appearance of women, hence I am a femme that dates femmes. And I am driven by a philosophical disapproval of everything male sexuality represents.
Because I see male sexuality as a vicious oppressive drive, I reject beta males. Them touching me makes me want to vomit in my mouth. The only men that my sexual mind understands as male are extremely dominant alpha males that fulfill the deadly role my imagination has assigned to them. Beta males do not compute for me. I have had a few girlfriends that agree with me that sleeping with a beta male feels like being an animal being mated. It feels disgusting- like they are spineless defective failed attempts at becoming male.
“In other words … you?”
Me and several other lesbians I have encountered though we are a minority amongst lesbians overall. I had a very staunch lesbian feminist partner for a year and we lived together. She had only the most effete or gay male friends. She was a virgin and studied queer theory at the graduate level. Her thesis was about the use of household objects in place of text to study history in order to understand the experiences of women. She said that text was biased towards male hegemony because men controlled publishing houses and journals and advertisements etc. She felt that women had more agency in using and choosing domestic items and so focused on doing research through such objects.
Anyways, a year later I had an absurdly dominant alpha male partner (he was practically a caricature of extreme alpha dominance) and he called me over to his house for a threesome (something he did often). And when I went inside his bedroom, there she was, blindfolded on the floor. He was the second man she ever had sex with. He was the third man I ever had sex with. We were probably the 200th and 201th women that he had sex with.
Anyways, my genuine loathing for men serves a dual purpose. I really do think properly formed maleness (aka alphaness) is evil in its purity. Roissy is no aberration to this. I also feel that thinking of alpha males in this way feels erotically rewarding to me. Furthermore, my attitude towards men is a rather effective way of distilling the extreme alphas from the rest.
A sharp fellow read my blog and contacted me and explained in beautiful detail about how he wanted to make me his rapetoy and force me to tell him how all my feminist sentiments are lies while he fucks me and makes me tell him how much I am in love with his dick and need to be his property. Unlike the other 10 guys that hit on me per day, he will be the one that gets a date. Mmmm hmm. Way to my heart indeed.
I actually don’t think my sexual desires and acquiescence towards alpha males are morally defensible. But I am a hedonist, so I don’t care.
And doug, see, 1) I am not a lesbian. 2) No one needs to feel sorry for whichever sadistic nutjob marries me and 3) I wasn’t lying. I do think it is gross when a guy tries to make love to me and kiss me. Tie me down and hurt me, please (and only then is making love ok).
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I would go direct:
“I’m going to take all of you home with me.”
Or maybe try this:
“If I weren’t gay you would all be so mine (always gets a laugh).”
I’d then make small-talk with the group and shift my attention to my target. After my crazy opener I would just try to be a normal, cool guy. If my target doesn’t seem interested, most likely one of the girls in the group will be, and I will shift my interest to her accordingly (they are all bangable from what I see).
And yeah, sitting down with them is a power position. If they approve of you, they will more than accommodate you. They then might offer me a drink if we get along (girls seem to offer me drinks quite often for some reason).
My game is much more minimalist: I will throw my stuff with humor, see if there are any openings, and get myself inside; if the set is bitchy instead, next. With 4 girls though, the odds are in your favor of something happening.
I’d also be thinking about a place to extract my target to within the club in order to get nasty. With all of the distractions in the club, anything is possible.
I am also skeptical of your cold reads, Roissy. While they might be correct, as we both know, perceptions can be deceiving in game — girls you thought would be bitchy you end up in bed with, while girls you think are a piece of cake will often turn out to be a waste of time.
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Whiskey: I have been on this board for a minute, but tonight you finally directed web traffic to your site. (not JUST mine, but those referrals to my entente) I’m just stubborn, but you definitely rang the bell on the carnival hammer smash.
MOUNT’UP!
(no rainbow)
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The fact that there are so many guys talking about off-topic stuff like race differences rather than talking about what they do in set with 4 HOT White chicks is telling regarding the level of game here.
What a bunch of lame-o keyboard jockeys.
Props to Roissy for an entertaining blog!
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Damn! Reading this shows me I got WAYS to go.
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“Because I see male sexuality as a vicious oppressive drive, I reject beta males.”
I think all men have beta tendencies. I thus view alphaness in a continuum. At certain times it’s beneficial for men to take a beta role, as when they are providing for the family and children. If all men acted alpha at all times our society would be too chaotic and we would all suffer. Also, fortunately, hot females will on occasion reward the beta male with sex — this brings variety to the gene pool, and also promotes social cohesiveness and cooperation. If sexual rewards were completely withheld from betas, our society would break down as the charade would be made too obvious.
As for myself, I am definitely much more alpha than I used to be — I think I’m more alpha than the average male. But I prize my beta tendencies: my empathy and introspection. I think a good mix can attract the right woman. The key is a good mix. You don’t want to lean too far into beta, and you don’t want to be too alpha, though overall being too beta is much more negative than being too alpha.
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Goodness…all three on the left are the token ugly girl. The pretty one is the one on the far left in the purple dress.
The rest look boys with boobs.
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Correction: all three on the right.
Sorry, female perception/facing screw up. Heheheh…
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I disagree Nicole, I think all 4 look rather f*ckable.
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Reminiscent of…
“Sorry, female perception/facing screw up. Heheheh…”
(Jabba the Hut, chuckling:) Hoo hoh huh hah hah hah hah hah ahh ahh hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah ahh ahh ahh hah hah hah hah hah hah hah haa haa hah hah hah hah huh huh…)
Yep… good 2 go!
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JeerDogg, fuckable is one thing. Anything with a vagina can be fucked.
I’m talking about beauty/femininity. Girl on the far left has estrogen oozing out of the invisible pores on her face.
Granted, male and female standards are generally different, but I have brothers, and I’m an artist.
Look at them after you’ve had sex, and you’re no longer looking for easiness markers (which would be slightly more masculinity).
Then note the jawline and chin. The three on the right are more square jawed with jutting chins. Their noses are also closer to their lips, and their eyebrows have a more masculine arc. The outermost end is below the rim of the socket, and the purple dressed one’s outer rims end above the socket.
Her brow overall is less prominent.
If I was drawing a female face, it would look more like hers and less like the ones on the right.
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Cannon, as I become less personally involved in the world of dating and mating, I find a Jabba comparison a bit flattering actually.
He was loaded, powerful, and had pretty dancing girls of every species on his chain. I could see living like that if I was less ethical.
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db,
I’d choose the dark haired one. She’s good looking but most importantly she seems a bit more reserved than the others. Extroversion is a good thing in a woman but in this atmosphere it would be overwhelming and a bit annoying. All 4 are hot but there are limits to what I can stand.
I’d open and socialize with the bridesmaids but soon into this make deliberate eye contact with the target making sure she knows that I’m secretly singling her out. By the 2nd eye contact I can usually tell if she’s somewhat interested. Then I’d take off, being sure to make eye contact a 3rd time with a muted subtle body language inviting her over. I know she won’t bite on this and stay with her friends… The intent is to stir up some disappointment that I didn’t talk to her… but clearly left an invitation for more talking as her friends drifted.
I’d probably strategically time hitting the head for just when she’s coming out of it (cheezy but works) and ask her name, point and nod off too the side and say “hey… talk with me for a little bit” while smiling and making eye contact. This probably relies a lot on my looks so that this doesn’t come off as creepy so I’m not sure if it would work for everyone.
If I tried to isolate here when she’s sitting there it would seem too forced and awkward. But while they are walking, their conversation is fragmented and in transition.
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Nicole,
I like the stronger chin (they are a far cry from man chins) on the other 3. I also like the higher and more pointed cheek bones. The purple dress chicks cheeks are too rounded and form off-angles with the nose and corner of the mouth – don’t get me wrong – she’s still hot. 2nd from less has wider eyes which offsets her age a bit and her chin bulbs out in a cute way too.
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i’d open either the brunette or the chick holding the dildo.
a brunette in a field full of blondes is likely to be the most level-headed.
also, the blonde holding the dildo is holding it in such a manner that it seems like she’s holding it just for the sake of the picture or to appease her friends…i doubt that she’s a slut…plus, to me, she’s the cutest of the bunch…she has a look with enough playfullness (as exhibited by her holding the dildo) but without fakeness of the others
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whiskey
Top Gear is also popular with women, real women of the kind we all might actually meet. Most of those women will love the show just as it is. The actions of a small group of disaffected women do not necessarily represent all women.
On another post someone pointed out many woman enjoy watching men in the wild doing all that male stuff. That says to me that most women, despite their protestations, want their men to be men. I doubt any of the female fans of Top Gear want The View on wheels; they love the show just as it is.
The presenters represent a range of male types. Jeremy Clarkson is the cocky Alpha guy. He is full of opinions and put-downs to the guests, audience, and other presenters. James May is the classic nerd. He is the most introverted of the trio. He enjoys nothing more than some ale (dark beer) with his male buddies. He is full of “did you know…” type of conversation. Richard Hammond is the cheeky boyish one. Not overtly masculine or particularly Alpha but he has humor and charm. Each of the three has a set of female fans. Hammond probably has the most female fans because of his boyish good looks, but I believe the other two have their followers.
For women this show offers a look into the male mind. A lot of playacting, mixed with some serious stuff. The verbal jousting and competition between them is constant but when all is done they remain friends carrying no hard feelings. They might try to embarrass or inconvenience each other but when push comes to shove you can be sure they would stand together.
For men, watching Clarkson with his guests (especially female) is a good example of what we might call “cocky funny.”
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Both Whiskey & Nova’s comments are on point.
Like Nova, I too have both seen and heard about recent stats that clearly point to younger Women in America’s major urban cities clearly outearning Men in the same age range, Doug; this shouldn’t be too hard to fathom why-as I told Dark Wing Duck yesterday, Male attendance and enrollment at college has been on the wane for at least a decade, and is projected to continue for the foreseeable future. Indeed, its gotten so bad, that even Asian Male attendance at college ain’t what it used to be.
As Nova rightly points out however, its the age issue that trips Women up, unless they decide not to have kids or marry, and wholly devote themselves to their careers-should they do that, in *any* field, blue or white collar, they are virtually guaranteed success. Its when they have kids and/or get married, that their careers take a hit. And rightly so, for there are tradeoffs in life for us all.
Whiskey’s point about today’s Women simply not wanting to be married anymore is again, something I think is rather self-evident in the main-marital rates have been dropping like a stone since the latter 70s, and other than mild swellings in the numbers, there doesn’t seem to be an great awakening on that front. And, when we factor in such things as welfare, birth control/abortion, education and economic independence, there is little actual realworld incentive for today’s Woman to marry-she doesn’t need a Man to raise kids, although getting a steady check from him would be real nice.
Here is where I slightly diverge from some who put what I consider at this point an undue amount of focus on family/divorce law, because the “Beta provider” thing extends far beyond marriage/divorce. As Nova has suggested before, simply being deemed “cohabiting” is enough to do the trick, or, failing that, simply being fingered as the baby daddy-and unless/until a Daddy Test comes to save the day, you’re on the hook.
I really don’t see how any of this is so hard to understand. In pure Evo-terms, we have more sperm than we neeed, and only a limited supply of eggs-*of course* Women wouldn’t want to bed down every guy in sight. By definition she has to be selective. Of course, anything can be taken to extremes, and hence we see the kind of extremes beginning to ply itself out right before our very eyes along these lines in our time-Women, when left to their own devices, and assured there will be no censure or rebuke while at the same time gaining the full support of the wider society, *will* choose whomever they deem the most dominant male in the environment for sexual and reproductive purposes, period full stop. So again, Whiskey hits a homerun.
One need not be a player or social scientist to figure all this out. Simple observation and commonsense will suffice.
And I have to note w/a kind of irony my White brothers may be able to appreciate, that many Feminists decry “patriarchy” and “man made” conventions, such as, for example, according to many of them, Judeo-Christian religion. Yet they don’t seem to see that the kind of lifestyle choices Whiskey and Nova have analyzed on the female side are not only the natural course of events, but also one that is both highly unstable and unsustainable; its a recipe for longterm chaos. Marriage as we’ve known it in the Western world is without a doubt a “man made”, non-naturally occuring event-and it, like Democracy, is arguably one of thee greatest advancements the Human Race has ever made. I mean no hyperbole here. I’m dead serious.
Although its been discussed here previously, I’d just like to broach the topic again, because its only really dawned on me recently just how deeply profound all of the issues we discuss are encapsulated in this forum-and that happens to be The Maury Show. While mny pan it as the preserve of humanity’s knuckledraggers, I beg to vociferously differ-it is a powerful window on just how far-and fast-things have changed on the very fronts many of us discuss daily.
Women on the show can sex as many as a dozen Men, with NO shaming or rebuke forthcoming from either the audience or host, even when its proven beyond statistical probability that NONE of the Men fingered are the baby daddy. Men, on the sole accusation of *being* a baby daddy by the baby mama, are intensely booed, that is, until the test says “You Are NOT The Father!”.
And the audience gives ravenous applause to what I can only describe as hapless dupes-Men who vow to take care of kids they not only have real reason to believe are not their own and thus were potentially deceived, but then were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt are not theirs-still these dupes vow to “stick around”. Scanning the all female audience, and knowing the inherent evolutionary mating strategy of females, gives the reason for why that is.
As Nova recently pointed out on his blog, w/Mother’s Day rapidly approaching we are sure to hear yet another rousing chorus of “Man Up!” from the Browbeating Amen Corner-but as I’ve said for years, it will be to no avail. Just as I’ve sad that the MRA groups have been approaching things all wrong hence the real reasons as to why they aint getting anywhere, so too have the Feminists and their allies in the media and academia and even law-theyre approaching Men as if they were Women.
You see, various “shaming” tactics, like CNN’s Roland Martin’s missive, or Obama’s dissing of Black Dads last year and the like, are exactly what the doctor ordered if they were directed at Women; shaming means nothing to Men. A Man can walk into the middle of Times Square at High Noon and drop his drawers w/nary a thought; how many Women would even seriously consider it, let alone actually do it? Once you understand this, you’ll then understand why such tactics and the like will NEVER work on Men.
The only thing that will work is a change in the rules of how the game is played-meaning a massive overhaul of family/divorce law, the allowance of the Daddy Test having the final say in things, and so on. But, as Nova again rightly notes, since any of those things would seriously threaten the lifestyles virtually all Women enjoy, the likelihood any of that happening is slim to none.
So, the fellas do what they’ve always done when they finally figured out the game was rigged, and the fix was in.
They simply pack their ball and go home.
More and more Men are literally disappearing from public life. They may be able to get rid of the “guy show” over accross the pond, but the can’t stop guys from working on their cars in their driveways, unmolested by Women or kids. Nor can they stop guys from playing video games, or railfanning, or any number of void-filling pursuits and interests. In the short term it may be bleak, but over the longterm lots of guys won’t have too many regrets, given the alternatives and real risks that await them should they deign to wade in today’s mating waters. Being a grease monkey/gearhead/eternal slacker don’t look half bad.
I’ve said before and it bears repeating, that Women are incapable of longterm future orientation, contrary to all the hype we hear in the media. Because if they were, they would understand that their beauty is fleeting and would plan accordingly. As it happens right now, their “contengency” plans are at best fingers in the dam; sooner or later that thing’s gonna bust wide open.
Talk about three feet high and rising…
O
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David Alexander
Top Gear – Now that is road geeking! They don’t like trains much though.
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to me none of the girls look old enough to be getting married
What does that even mean? 18 is old enough to get married. Middle two look mid- to late-20s to me, and second from the left is clearly in the age zone where if she can’t see marriage on the horizon, she’s probably starting to get worried about it.
Obsidian @6:54am, a fine analysis!
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Sitting on the couch while I stand is a power position for them, and stripping them of that power is of the utmost urgency.
Oh please.
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feministx:
Because I see male sexuality as a vicious oppressive drive, I reject beta males. Them touching me makes me want to vomit in my mouth. The only men that my sexual mind understands as male are extremely dominant alpha males that fulfill the deadly role my imagination has assigned to them.
You are the flip side of Chic Noir. Like her, you sense, or rather fear, masculinity and male power and rightfully regard the role a woman naturally plays in relation to it to be a submissive one. This offends your ego, and your thirst for power. Chic withdraws, as do you, except for the fact that the fundamental quality of femininity is to “look up” to someone more powerful.
True dyed in the wool butch lesbians do not have this quality, most probably due to a different hormonal profile. Femmes like you and Chic Noir wrestle with it. Why? Most women don’t have a problem with it. In fact, most women feel intense pleasure in being submissive, to greater or lesser extents. Even Chic writes about swooning and getting “funny feelings” watching someone like Bill Clinton.
And you yourself write above that only super-dominant men turn you on. So why the internal struggle? Because of your ego. Deep within you desire to submit but your willfully stubborn ego clamps down on that desire.
This is the inevitable result of female emancipation. The traditional power dyad between a dominant male and submissive female is strong one, and works harmoniouslly for both parties involved. It is like the dynamic between parents and children. The older wiser protector sets limits and on what the immature child can do. This is to the benefit of the child. What happens when children grow up without parents/limits? They grow up to be headcases with little impulse control and entitlement issues.
Because of the idealism, magnaminity and largesse of productive western capitalism and the beta males within it, (early) feminism was allowed to flourish. Women became equals. And then…and then…the power dynamic that used to serve to bond nuclear families together was weakened. Now women were better educated, more worldly, and earned as much as the men in their lives. And because of this new equality (what they say they wanted), they then despised these same men for not being “more”. For not being “above” them, even though the men didn’t do anything different. The women start chasing after “more.” More alpha, more dominance. Top of the food chain.
A slave girl — no matter how beautiful — would never hope of catching an aristocrat except for a pump-n-dump. But with the advent of feminism thanks to western capitalism, she now had the tools to propel herself upward on the food chain to be a more likely prospect for them.
Women used the cry of “equality” and feminism to stand on the backs of the men who gave them that opportunity in the first place — and now those women are stretching, stretching, stretching to reach the brass ring of the upper 20% alphas.
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oh, my, gawd! FAZ is going to hit $5 this morning, how is this not a screaming buy!?!?! what are you waiting for, $4???
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Tupac on May 8, 2009 at 8:41 am
Epic comment.
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Tarl,
Thanks, man. Those musings of mine are the result of close observation, lots of reading of whom I consider to be great minds like Whiskey and Roissy, as well as more “professional” public intellectuals, like Lionel Tiger and others, etc.
I just want to suggest something else.
I deeply question whether Women want “equality” for *themselves*-I think the jury’s in as to whether they want it for Men.
I say that because, when one understands evo-underpinnings in mating terms, other Women pose a serious threat to take away Men who are deemed to have the best genes. We saw this w/the extreme way Sarah Palin was treated-and speaking of the “Token Ugly” gal in the midst of otherwise good looking Women-all of us guys, Black and White have seen this-why is that?
Its becaue Women are hardwired to understand social dynamics better than most Men, and as a result are keenly aware of such things; they need to be assured that *they* are sexually desirable enough to land the right man. Having “lessers” among them helps to accomplish this goal, among other things (it also serves to run effective intereference-cockblocking-of lesser males).
Consider the way Women treat each other when it comes to “friends”-Roissy himself has written about this. As a rule, Men simply don’t act in such a fashion toward each other. Sure, they may have falling outs and the like, but nowhere near the kinds of intrigues and the like. We all know this.
I think Feminism is akin to a kind of Ponzi scheme, where a few “Queen Bees” purportedly make out at the top, and all their “lesser sisters” get screwed the farther down the pyramid you go. Its sad to see, and something I can’t help but notice everyday.
O
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feministx–
What I see feministx is you constructing the theory of your bisexuality as you go along here. You’ve felt a need to do so since you’ve decided to look not just for a sperm donor but a husband with carefully chosen genes to help you raise children, and since your bisexuality as opposed to lesbianism has been strongly and repeatedly challenged here especially by me, but not taken seriously by many (any?). That’s as a result of your detailed discussion of your revulsion at any male contact beyond the bare minimum to achieve penetration, which isn’t pleasurable for your but unlike the rest is bearable. You did not restrict this to sex with betas or mention any positive sex experiences with alpha men (much less a great one). That’s highly incongrous if true, considering how often you thereafter insisted you were bisexual rather than lesbian but were each time rebutted by me and scoffed at by others.
It’s no accident this comes only a few days after Rum stated his theory that ALL lesbians are really instead super hypergamous, that is are holding out for a super alpha or nothing male (without knowing it often enough), which most lesbians will never manage to snag given their looks (and attitudes), and hence will remain lesbians rather than become converted. You were obviously immediately fascinated and asked Rum to tell you more, including why he thought that. You offered no agreement or confirmation, much less any supporting experiences of your own, but instead wanted to be schooled, without being too obvious about it. It was obvious to me.
I then disagreed with Rum in part and in essence said he was right for all true bisexuals and many ideological feminists but not other feminists who weren’t wired for hetero sex. You’ve (after a decent interval) chosen to call my last group aesthetic feminists, which I’d agree isn’t a bad way to put it.
In essence you’re feeding my modification of Rum’s hypergamous theory/observations back at me under different labels and declaring that because you’re in part an ideological lesbian, you can be thrillingly sexually taken by a sufficiently brute alpha man. A male sadist, as you put it, to keep yourself and you hope those reading you fascinated by your rule breaking daring.
For confirmation you make up a year long super alpha bf who notched you in as his number 200. Funny we just now hear about him, when it would have been oh so useful to you to talk about him a week or so ago — if you’d figured out you bisexual reconstruciton at that point. Strange that you provide absolutely no indication of what sex with this year long most alpha of alpha’s, your cartoon alpha without individuality, was like. Fake.
As I said you’re constructing the hetro part of your sexuality as you go along here, now that we’ve I think convinced you that being able to tolerate sex with men doesn’t cut it as bisexual or as anything more than a horrid and exploitative prospective wife. You’ve had lots of reasons to fool yourself, because calling yourself bisexual is so much more congenial for your purposes not only to get married with a clear conscious but also to less threateningly seduce bi curious girls, without lying to them.
I do believe though that you were genuinely and eagerly fascinated by Rum’s super hypergamy theory (and accepted my modifications of it) and HOPE for the reasons I’ve given that a sufficiently impressive and sexually sadistic alpha can MAKE you bisexual. It just hasn’t happened.
I don’t think it will happen.
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“True dyed in the wool butch lesbians do not have this quality, most probably due to a different hormonal profile”
They actually do not indentify with the female social or sexual role.
“Most women don’t have a problem with it. In fact, most women feel intense pleasure in being submissive, to greater or lesser extents.”
I don’t have any problem with it and I feel intense pleasure in being submissive. What I am trying to say is that I can only feel sexual pleasure while being very submissive to an extremely dominant man or else I can feel sexual pleasure with any sort of sex with a woman. Though, I do not like sexually dominant women. I think that is vulgar because the woman is being male like- equally revolting as beta males for me.
I have never ever had a problem admitting my desire to be sexually submissive to a man. Been part of me since early childhood.
“he traditional power dyad between a dominant male and submissive female is strong one, and works harmoniouslly for both parties involved.”
It’s a total lie. Based on a fantasy that never worked. It only works in our minds. In real life and on basic logical premises, it does not work. The average person is not capable of providing constant leadership to another adult.
“And because of this new equality (what they say they wanted), they then despised these same men for not being “more”. For not being “above” them, even though the men didn’t do anything different. The women start chasing after “more.” More alpha, more dominance. Top of the food chain.”
A lot of people on this board believe things like this. I guarentee you, it is 100% wrong. There is no doubt in my mind. The women have always wanted the top of the food chain. No girl reads a fairy tale and thinks “I’m not really the princess. I am more like that servant girl and I should think about marrying the helpful blacksmith in the story”.
Wanting the top of the food chain has nothing to do with where a woman is on it. I want prince william as much as a girl who could actually have him. The servant girl of years passed was merely forced to depend on a beta male financially. Being educated and empowered simply allows women to express what they always wanted, not something they suddenly want because they are educated and empowered.
“Women used the cry of “equality” and feminism to stand on the backs of the men who gave them that opportunity in the first place — and now those women are stretching, stretching, stretching to reach the brass ring of the upper 20% alphas.”
So what? Why do people feel justified in advocating some sexual marxism only for women? Democracy and capitalism allowed the serfs to rise and pursue fortunes and democracy and capitalism allow women to educate themselves and pursue the top just the same.
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Tupac–
I think your analysis is accurate and interesting with respect to virtually all bisexuals including those who feel themselves to be mostly lesbian in the current feminist cultural environment, and as also exclusive lesbians who fall into feministx’s (and my) ideological lesbian category. I don’t think it describes the considerably smaller number of what she calls 3) aesthetic lesbians, and I call wired that way lesbians.
She falls into the last category, but doesn’t want to. In any event she is intent on preserving her full lesbian feminist hate of men, even if as she hopes she’s fucked into thrilling oblivion by that most alpha of alpha’s who’s going to not only shag her, but marry her, even though she hates him immediately after he pulls out all those times he’s had sex with her before her nuptials.
Yeah right.
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This is quite interesting.
Feminstx is literally forging the hoped for (but claimed to be existing) hetero part of her sexuality before our eyes, in a dialectic process as she deals with our critiques.
Too bad it’s make believe and self deception.
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“In essence you’re feeding my modification of Rum’s hypergamous theory/observations back at me under different labels and declaring that because you’re in part an ideological lesbian, you can be thrillingly sexually taken by a sufficiently brute alpha man.”
You seriously think I never thought about this before Rum mentioned it a few days ago?
Do you not notice that I am the type to do a lot of thinking?
“As I said you’re constructing the hetro part of your sexuality as you go along here, now that we’ve I think convinced you that being able to tolerate sex with men doesn’t cut it as bisexual or as anything more than a horrid and exploitative prospective wife.”
Why would I feel the need to impress any men on here? I have not so far and I still do not.
No, really. It shouldn’t be all that hard to believe. I have always been this way. I sometimes don’t talk about my attraction to extreme alphas, because it tells me who can figure out that I have one and who can talk to me as though they are one. Though I am not always reserved about the subject.
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feministx
Transparent bs.
Although I do believe you’ve “always been this way”. I think you’ve always made a lot of yourself up as you go along.
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“Although I do believe you’ve “always been this way”. I think you’ve always made a lot of yourself up as you go along.”
Why again would I lie? So I can impress the alpha I want babies with who is not reading this blog anyways?
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Tupac,
In all honesty my man, your retort to FemX’s “Alpha” remarks, which I had read in full, has to be one of thee best comments I’ve ever read of yours since I’ve been on this blog. Hands down.
Bravo, sir. What you dropped was some real ish.
O
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feministx:
Wanting the top of the food chain has nothing to do with where a woman is on it. I want prince william as much as a girl who could actually have him. The servant girl of years passed was merely forced to depend on a beta male financially. Being educated and empowered simply allows women to express what they always wanted, not something they suddenly want because they are educated and empowered.
I agree with you. It’s just that most women lie about it.
Women by nature desire someone “above” them, more powerful, more capable. It is this power polarity that creates the sexual spark. If you minimize it, by combining hot and cold to create a tepid lukewarm, you neutralize passion and sex into a boring sameness.
So it’s not true that women ever wanted “equality” or parity with men. To do so would make them feel no attraction for the men.
What they wanted is *power* — the power to make themselves more attractive to men who would otherwise have ignored them. Women still retain, by biological nature, the desire to delicously submit sexually to a dominant male. But to do that they had to get within his social milieu. Feminism helped accomplish that. The males who went along with it were misguided by a foolish idealism. Those are the males that become the despised house-husbands and wallets-with-legs that women climbed on the backs of to have thrilling affairs with higher status men.
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no matter how absurd her positions look, but feministX arrival surely improved the level of debate in this blog.
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and Tupac now owns this thread
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Again Tupac, bravo.
You know, and I gotta address this to Doug-your exchanges w/FemX is top notch, but I have to say-for what, ultimately? It was pretty clear to me from the get go that girlfriend had some serious issues; she makes Dave Alex’s stuff look innocuous by comparison. Seriously.
Again, I have nothing personal against the gal-dont know her, and I truly wish her well-but, as Whiskey has noted several times already, I really don’t see the point in engaging her. For what? To what end? How does she really inform the discourses that take place here? Even putting aside the Ten Percent Rule (which if ever was vindicated it is in her case), what does she bring to the table that is of any actual, in the field use to any of us? Really?
Now, everybody’s gonna do whatever, I can dig it. But for me, I just don’t get how or why interacting with the lady in the way you and others have, if at all, is so important.
*Obsidian scratches head*
But carry on.
O
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feministxy
Your writing style and your highly logical focus all point to very masculine wiring.
I suspect you are a full-on, wired that way, exclusively lesbian. Despite your femme look you are really a butch lesbian (in terms of sexuality). It is this butch brain/femme body that is causing your confusion and denial.
It has to be difficult; you look like a femme but want to be the butch one. Denial will not solve that problem.
The only bisexuality you will ever see is if you take two women at once.
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Ob:
Again, I have nothing personal against the gal-dont know her, and I truly wish her well-but, as Whiskey has noted several times already, I really don’t see the point in engaging her. For what? To what end? How does she really inform the discourses that take place here? Even putting aside the Ten Percent Rule (which if ever was vindicated it is in her case), what does she bring to the table that is of any actual, in the field use to any of us? Really?
She presents to us the hairy black heart at the core of femininity in all its unadorned glory.
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feministx–
You’re using the insights of a number of the commenters on this blog, and of Roissy, to reconstruct your theory of your bisexuality into something you can yourself believe. Especially since your old one was always thin to you and especially felt tattered after you exposed it here.
As well when you first came here you invited people to look at a post on your blog and hence the whole. The critique of and disbelief in your bisexuality has bleed into your own blog.
But you could close that blog and start another.
Principally you’re using the tough and intelligently critical male crucible of this place (which is very hard to find elsewhere) to create a theory of your bisexuality that’s plausible to those here, and thus more thoroughly you, and thus you expect other men.
You hope to not lie going forward in the fundamentals but discover true bisexuality in yourself.
You just haven’t actually experienced it yet. You are lying about the relationship that you today claim shows you have. That suddenly appearing 1 year relationship with a super alpha that met all your hypergamous desires/needs, but which you kept oh so quiet about all the time you kept saying you were bisexual and we kept feeding back to you your own evidence that showed that really you aren’t.
You also aren’t going to experience it.
As well, it’s a total fantasy to think that an impressive and sexually “sadistic” alpha is going to want to not only sport fuck your lesbian self (that I can definitely see, if you start responding right) but also marry and raise children with your thoroughly man hating self. (Who even if she softens with him is oh such a good bet for the future, compared to others. ) As if. Some beta maybe. But the kind of alpha you want with his choices?
Fantasy.
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Obsidian —
I’m entertaining myself. I’m enjoying how well I can read her, despite her arrogant superior lesbian feminist stance.
Tupac’s taking care of the social issues right fine.
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Doug:
She falls into the last category, but doesn’t want to. In any event she is intent on preserving her full lesbian feminist hate of men, even if as she hopes she’s fucked into thrilling oblivion by that most alpha of alpha’s who’s going to not only shag her, but marry her, even though she hates him immediately after he pulls out all those times he’s had sex with her before her nuptials.
Yeah right.
I think she’s given up the hope. I can see it inthe tonus of her face. If you can look past her banging bod, you can see the years of futile pursuit and disappointment in her eyes. Sad, droopy, flat-affect, schizoid-like eyes which harbor no warmth, no joy, no love, just the single-minded pursuit of cold-blooded power.
Kinda cool in a way, but worth nothing more than as a rapetoy.
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Tupac —
Oh so true.
This has been true at each stage and with respect to each piece of feminist legislation. Feminists invariably greatly lied to support these initiatives and vastly covered up the true extent and implications. The media has been fully complicit and in fact an eager exponent — after all it’s a favored place for feminists to flock, where they make anathema any not fully on board male reporters much breaking ranks.
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feministX represents also the danger of high IQ in women, specially combined with SWPL laziness. She can’t hide behind a business career. Her career is feminist hate
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Femx says, “Though, I do not like sexually dominant women. I think that is vulgar because the woman is being male like- equally revolting as beta males for me.”
This doesn’t really compute to me. Dominance isn’t a masculine trait. It’s traditionally the male role/function in vanilla-hetero relationships, but it’s no more masculine than leadership.
Women aren’t generally socialized to be leaders, but that doesn’t preclude one being for all intents and purposes, feminine, and still developing good leadership skills.
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Cannon’s Cannon
oh, my, gawd! FAZ is going to hit $5 this morning, how is this not a screaming buy!?!?! what are you waiting for, $4???
Anybody who witnessed, or had the deep misfortune to be hit with, the decline of oil from 140 to 40 last year would be wary. They would also probably know that currency markets are even more heavily manipulated, by governments who don’t even seem to care about their nations power(Japan,EU).
I personally believe a fuel shortage will soon result because of the price controls/extreme manipulation imposed after Ike and Gustav.
You can suppress price increases, but the next step after that is shortages. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if oil hit 25 first.
Government actors(not all US) have taken over the stock, commodity, and bond markets. Do anything but have silver/gold IN YOUR POSSESSION at your own risk.
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@the sangha – empathy and introspection. Are those beta traits? I’ve posted this kind of thing before, but an Alpha is not necessarily a violent thug or an emotionally dead idiot. Domainance is not abuse. There are darker shades of gray that are different than pure black or white. Others may disagree and flame me on this, but I see an Alpha male, in the seduction sense (as only partially opposed to the competition for social hieracrhy, money, status, etc.), as one who understands women, empathises with them and their emotions — and loves them. Digs them. Not resents, hates, tolerates for sex, abuses for fun, etc. Mistrust them? Always. Keep them in line and call them on their sh*t? Always. But hate and abuse? Not the way to go. Just sayin’.
Speaking of which – @FemX: I see that my instinct to avoid learning more about you was very wise. If even part of your self-described psychological profile is true (a big if), you are seriously twisted. It’s OK to like being dominated, but to equate that with pure evil is just a recipe for confusion, anger, self-hate etc. Maybe that’s where the attraction to women comes from – horror at your true attitude toward male sexuality. I think Doug may be right in that a lot of your sexual persona is constructed. Good luck with your future decades of therapy as you sort that out. Not that I care, per se, but since you laid it out for us you did get us thinking about it and probably, attention-whore like, wanted a bunch of responses. You’re welcome. Despite the fact that you are loopy and inconsistent, I still think you are smart and insightful and I enjoy what you post here.
@obsidian, tarl, tupac – good stuff.
This idea of betas being driven from public life is interesting, but “public life” may be too broad – it’s the sexual market we’re talking about. I guess the that idea above (I forget who posted it) about men withdrawing from said market in favor of videogames and p*rn – a kind of “Atlas Shrugged” in the battle of the sexes – is a kind of affirmative embrace of the kind of marginalization imposed by feminism in the sense of those posts. Bad idea all around. But it would only apply to beta men from both sides, because the alphas see no need to withdraw and the fems want the alphas to stick around, so the Rand analogy doesn’t work. It’s the Alpha movers and shakers of the world who withdraw there.
Really, though, we can bring the real world back into the discussion by recalling Roissy’s oft-stated dictum that *any* man can benefit from game and attract more and better women. It’s something that can be learned, that works, and is welcomed by women. So what’s with the idea of Alphas and Betas as though they are permanent castes, like in “Brave New World”? C’mon – we all have our Alpha and Beta sides, and just need to tend to our inner Alphas a lot more to increase the aggregate happiness (and sex) of the world.
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“Women still retain, by biological nature, the desire to delicously submit sexually to a dominant male. But to do that they had to get within his social milieu. Feminism helped accomplish that.”
I do thank all the white males of the past who have aided my creation. My great grandmother had an arranged marriage at the age of 8 to her cousin. That was my culture for generations until British colonialism inspired change. My grandmother married at 15. My mother had an arranged marriage and knew my father for 2 hours before the wedding. She went to college and raised me to do the same. And now I exist, in the world’s most powerful nation, here to possess hot women for myself and seek out one of the alphas of the earth to possess me. I will use my long sewn liberation to seek the ideal descendant of that which liberated me. Tis fair.
“The males who went along with it were misguided by a foolish idealism.”
No. They meant it. As I do. Really think about the males who went along with feminism. They are the ones that directly benefit from it.
“You are lying about the relationship that you today claim shows you have”
Sigh. I suppose I could present the pictures but I would rather not. They’d be a bit compromising.
“I really don’t see the point in engaging her. For what? To what end? How does she really inform the discourses that take place here? Even putting aside the Ten Percent Rule (which if ever was vindicated it is in her case), what does she bring to the table that is of any actual, in the field use to any of us? Really?”
You think I know nothing of actual use to you? Don’t you see that it is my mission to know what the alpha male knows. Though I cannot provide precise practical guidance, in principle I can tell you everything that Roissy can.
“Despite your femme look you are really a butch lesbian (in terms of sexuality).”
I’m most like a gay male bottom in a female body.
“She presents to us the hairy black heart at the core of femininity in all its unadorned glory.”
Damned straight.
“I think she’s given up the hope.”
Given up hope at my age? Not so fast. I will give my search for an alpha another four years before I settle down with someone with good genes.
” I can see it inthe tonus of her face. If you can look past her banging bod, you can see the years of futile pursuit and disappointment in her eyes. Sad, droopy, flat-affect, schizoid-like eyes which harbor no warmth, no joy, no love, just the single-minded pursuit of cold-blooded power.”
True, but I still have hope. I feel I’m really close to getting it right the next time. Extreme alphas are hard to pin down. I am thinking about what needs to be done.
“Kinda cool in a way, but worth nothing more than as a rapetoy.”
I must avoid producing this sense in men. It’s my challenge. Though consider that really high IQ guys are weirdos, so they are more likely to dig my blissfully tortured soul.
“feministX represents also the danger of high IQ in women, specially combined with SWPL laziness. She can’t hide behind a business career. Her career is feminist hate”
It’s true.
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Nicole–
Yes it is. You are completely wrong. It’s fundamental to masculinity in fact, despite what feminists have tried to preach.
However, that’s not to say that every man is naturally dominant over every woman, much less that every woman will accept any man in that role. That is also completely wrong.
It’s not even true that all men are happiest being dominant over a woman they’re attracted to and who will happily accept him in that role. Some men aren’t very masculine or really masculine at all. This includes some hetero men.
Some men are submissive to women in subtle or no subtle ways. Feminist propaganda has succeed in upping the percentage who are and especially in dampening the natural dominance of a lot of men. This has diminished the pool of men that can make most women happy in their sexual relationships.
They’re socialized for it now especially in the feminist Anglosphere more than ever before in human history, with a handful of backwater societies perhaps excepted. This runs against the grain for both women and men. Boys are being discriminated against in schools now to a large extent, under the banner of nipping male “oppression” (natural dominance and rambuntiousness- fledgling alpha behavior) in the bud early.
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p.s. @ tupac – extremely awesome stuff. keep it comin’.
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@FemX: gay male bottoms like dick, and don’t dig female bodies at all. Loopy and inconsistent, constructed, confused.
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feministx
No WE DID NOT. I was one of them. I was a lefty who very much supported feminism and didn’t look under the covers for the details too much. (Well always a pragmatic sort of lefty.) I thought we were all on pretty much the same page and for the most part they could be trusted.
Boy was I in for a lot of surprises, as stuff got implementing beginning with sexual harassment law. I always thought affirmative action was wrong for women, but would probably be dropped after a brief intro period. Wrong. Who’s to say what the right balance is, given women’s other than work roles, and besides why do they need it once hard discrimination is removed, and so on. Shouldn’t it just shake itself out, without discriminating against men? Oh no, insist the feminists. Because we have a social engineering agenda.
As I said, what a bill of goods we were sold.
Most men especially those on the moderate left still haven’t put it together. They don’t know what really happens in divorce and child support cases, or that child support is really stealth alimony in large part for strong earning men. They don’t know many things because the media doesn’t tell them. That is they don’t know until they start to experience these laws or their friends and acquaintances do, and talk about it.
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feministx
You’ve said you want to mate outside of you Indian ethnicity.
American higher betas won’t marry you either, after having sex with you a number of times. It will be obvious to them that your purposed bisexuality is really lesbianism and that sex with you will become even worse.
Get a sperm donation and live with a woman you can actually love. And don’t try to ruin some deceived beta’s life.
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maurice
Bingo.
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Tupac–
This is the distilled essence of what you’ve been saying.
Couldn’t agree more.
Great sex almost always has some D/s, power exchange element to it. It might be masked or thought to be something else, but there it is.
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Hello FemX,
I suppose it should go w/o saying, but theory without application is Dead. Roissy can tell me or anyone else a great many things that you simply cannot, precisely because he lives life as a Man, and you don’t. No dis, I’m just sayin.
A major component of Game rests in its “Field Reports”, so named due to the nature of the trying out of various methods out in real time w/Women. They either sink or swim, confirmed or denied by a general consensus in the community, or at least parts of it. I and many others have shared, not what we “think” we know about male/female interaction, but what we actually KNOW about same, and invite others to test it out for themselves. Of the little bit I’ve offered here in this forum, very little has been outright rejected by my brothers.
That tells me that I must be doing something right.
You, as whatever it is you claim or want to be, can offer me ZERO in the way of actually helping me and I dare say the vast majority of Men here actual, field tested info in the area of male/female relations. You can tell me and everyone else about female/female relations, and I would even grant that they could have some value-they don’t to me-but obvious they do to at least some of the fellas here. So be it.
But if you think you can make such an argument to me, w/a straightface, please. Give it a rest. Unlike many here, I’m old enough to know better.
On the other hand, I’ve checked out your blog, and I think the South Indian movie stars you featured are gorgeous. Would tap dat azz in a heartbeat.
The Obsidian
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Maurice,
Excellent points you make, and I share many of them; Game has given me a great appreciation of Women, while at the same time a keen understanding that there are human, too-capable of good and evil. And to never loose sight of that fact.
Anyway, going to your point wrt Roissy, I would say that the major problem w/the premise is that its much, much easier to go the Dave Alex route than the Neil Strauss one. And this is true in any area of life. Most guys will simply not be willing to do even the barest of minimums to improve their lot and like DA, will find reasons to justify it. That’s fine, but then they’ll have to be willing to deal w/the consequences.
Which seems to be happening in our time, right now-the vast majority of guys don’t get laid w/any regularity, Maurice. If you know Game, you know that. Just that fact alone, makes them “invisible” in evo-speak.
Why its so hard for some to grasp the notion of more and more Men enmasse simply dropping off the grid is fascinating to me-i’d argue that its easier to do today than its ever been, because there are so many avenues available to make it happen. Tax shelters, pay as you go cellies, cash upfront debit cards that you can give a dummy name/addy/ss# on, etc, along w/tax shelters and the like, make it very easy for a Man, if he wants to, to disappear-at the very last, make it very hard to be seen.
Fear of rejection, along w/all the other things I and others have mentioned, will just make most guys “drop out”-and they’re already doing it as we speak, Maurice. The next decade though, will see it step up a notch, as the Guys The Matter-the largely White, 20-40 cohort-start to “disappear”-will take place.
And *then*, as it so often does, will a national conversation begin in earnest.
The Obsidian
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Well, great post Roissy. Very good, clear and usefull.
Unfortunetly I am not (yet or ever??) able to do this or something closer to this. Also, take them out of the crouch made me think… is dancing important? I can’t dance, I don’t like to. I barely move my feet and “throw” my body from left to right… is dancing *that* important? I mean, club dancing?
Well, I have some problems right now, but I’ll expose them in the most recen thread. I just left this comment to say: awesome post!
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“@FemX: gay male bottoms like dick, and don’t dig female bodies at all. Loopy and inconsistent, constructed, confused.”
Maurice, I am really not confused or loopy. My sexuality and the logic that comes with it is highly complex, but it does come with great clarity. I do not have time to convey the entirity of my reasoning with each reply.
I was replying to the statement that my reasoning structure is male-like which makes me butch. But that is not the case. My reasoning structure is indeed male-like, but when it comes to my sexual feelings towards men, I am like a gay bottom, not a butch. A butch is a woman with male reasoning that seems to identify with the male role almost entirely. I have a male reasoning structure and identify with the role of a submissive femme partner, which is similar to what a gay bottom does. He is male and behaves in an effeminate way to appeal to a male top. This is a separate issue from my attraction to women.
“You, as whatever it is you claim or want to be, can offer me ZERO in the way of actually helping me and I dare say the vast majority of Men here actual, field tested info in the area of male/female relations. You can tell me and everyone else about female/female relations, and I would even grant that they could have some value-they don’t to me-but obvious they do to at least some of the fellas here. So be it.”
But I can offer you more than just information about female-female relations. I also know which alpha behavior turns women on, because it has to be highly effective for me it to appeal to me. And glad you like meaty south asian gals. Variety is the spice of life.
“No WE DID NOT. I was one of them. I was a lefty who very much supported feminism and didn’t look under the covers for the details too much.”
You did not. You don’t support feminism. The ones that actually make it happen are generally ones that really believe in it. The reason for this is because they are alphas.
“It’s OK to like being dominated, but to equate that with pure evil is just a recipe for confusion, anger, self-hate etc. Maybe that’s where the attraction to women comes from – horror at your true attitude toward male sexuality.”
I have never fought my desire to be dominated. It comes with no anger or self hatred. I relish it and pursue it with serious dedication. But your belief that dominance comes with positive desires towards women is misplaced:
“I see an Alpha male, in the seduction sense (as only partially opposed to the competition for social hieracrhy, money, status, etc.), as one who understands women, empathises with them and their emotions — and loves them. Digs them. Not resents, hates, tolerates for sex, abuses for fun, etc. Mistrust them? Always. Keep them in line and call them on their sh*t? Always. But hate and abuse? Not the way to go. Just sayin’.”
That’s the fantasy. People want this to be true, but it doesn’t translate into reality. Ultimately, alpha male desires are what Roissy has and it is to endlessly sexually conquer women and maintain the self delusion that this is a healthy male-female interaction. The dark triad traits create a persona that seems like the adore women for their femininity and empathizes with them, but there is nothing there. They are just bottomless selfish pits.
There are men that play the game and like women and care for them, but this is not coming from alpha maleness. It comes from basic humanity.
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“It will be obvious to them that your purposed bisexuality is really lesbianism and that sex with you will become even worse. ”
Why on earth would you believe that I am a lesbian that is incapable of enjoying sex with a dominant male?
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“This doesn’t really compute to me. Dominance isn’t a masculine trait. It’s traditionally the male role/function in vanilla-hetero relationships, but it’s no more masculine than leadership.
Women aren’t generally socialized to be leaders, but that doesn’t preclude one being for all intents and purposes, feminine, and still developing good leadership skills.”
It is a masculine trait though certainly women can develop it. When I say I do not like dominant women, it is not an absolute moral value. I don’t like them just like some men don’t like black women. Personal preference.
“I think all men have beta tendencies. I thus view alphaness in a continuum. At certain times it’s beneficial for men to take a beta role, as when they are providing for the family and children. If all men acted alpha at all times our society would be too chaotic and we would all suffer. Also, fortunately, hot females will on occasion reward the beta male with sex — this brings variety to the gene pool, and also promotes social cohesiveness and cooperation. If sexual rewards were completely withheld from betas, our society would break down as the charade would be made too obvious.”
You are entirely right. It is the beta in us that makes us able to cooperate and constructively express affection.
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fem-x,
do you like cats or dogs?
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Feministx —
I used to. Then I looked around.
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feminstx–
I’ve made that abundantly clear. Virtually everyone here agrees with me.
At the very most you haven’t yet, but lied about it here today, and are only theorizing. Based on Rum’s hypergamy theory, modified by me. As I explained in detail up thread.
You’re simply coming in for the last word when you figure we’ve all gone.
Well, I’ve only skimmed you.
It’s all the same old same old from you.
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“do you like cats or dogs?”
I love dogs, but I have no choice- I have bad allergies to cats.
“At the very most you haven’t yet, but lied about it here today, and are only theorizing.”
So, you have to assume that I am lying in order to believe that I am a lesbian. Serio dude, I had an extreme alpha partner (boyfriend according to him) that I dated for a year and a half. Rum’s theory just happens to apply to me. It does not apply to every lesbian, but it does apply to me.
As for the constructedness of my sexuality, that is often an inherent part of queer female sexuality. Gay men aren’t just regular straight guys that physically prefer men. They behave in a different way and often prefer different career paths and have a different aesthetic sense. Likewise, lesbians tend not to be regular girls that like girls. The abstracted construct-driven preferences are a biological component to lesbian sexuality.
Straight men mostly get turned on by a hot female body. Queer women often feel arousal based on abstract reasoning about sexuality.
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“So, you have to assume that I am lying in order to believe that I am a lesbian. ”
I should restate for clarity- you have to assume I am lying in order to believe I am 100% lesbian.
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Feministrix:
“All women often feel arousal based on abstract reasoning about sexuality.”
—FTFY, dyke.
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femx –
at least you won’t be a cougar with a cat… any breed preference?
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@FemX – A fantasy? That dominance in a relationship can coexist with “positive desires toward women” ? Honey, that’s most happy relationships. You seem to equate Alpha Malehood with a kind of psychopathic cartoon of dominant behavior. Roissy and other PUAs use game in a calculated way that can seem detached from emotion and respect – but that’s just the science of generating attraction. I’ve done it myself. What you do with that attraction, however – how you treat the other – reflects on your character. same as with women who in their prime years don’t have any need for an equivalent of game. They can play with men, use them for their wallets, etc. or treat them with respect and see them as genuine people. I agree with critics of game that say it can be dehumanizing. It need not be – depends on whose hands it is in.
So your reality, not mine or most men’s, is that dominance = over-the-top, “dark triad” , empty-souled, manipulative, abusive. And you like it! As noted – good luck with all that.
But I do appreciate your comments about the milk of human kindness being a good thing. Shocker, eh? Even though you also incorrectly label it “beta” = contemptible. Alpha males also love and care for their mates – just within the proper bounds. That’s the path to a better understanding of the male species – and away from the hate. A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
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@obsidian – true, and very good point. Neil took a year out of life to reinvent himself, through sheer will power. (One of the highlights of my year so far has been treating him and his gf to a drink in The Gibson after his booksigning in town…) Not everyone can do that. But there are degrees, and I would say most of us view ourselves as Alphas in progress – works in progress. There is a middle ground between Style and DA – it’s not just one or the other, right?
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FemX,
I’ve got a soft spot for South India in general; I won’t belabour it, but yea, the kinds of gals you featured on your site look fine to me. Also, they stand in direct contradiction to some that there is only *one* standard of beauty, which is rubbish. There are broad similarities if you will, and that’s about it. As I’ve said again and again, history shows us that Women who look like the stars you have on your site are more the historical norm than more rail thin gals in the current era. And that ideal plays itself out throughout the Middle East, Africa, parts of Southeast Asia, and Persia, etc. All kinds of statues and the like speak to this.
O
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maurice:
p.s. @ tupac – extremely awesome stuff. keep it comin’.
Aw man, my brain is tired. I was hoping Whiskey would take the baton I was passing to him, but I guess he’s busy.
I’ll get back to this later, dealing with Obsidian’s practical concerns, but for now I’ll just leave you with this analogy.
Culturally, a lot has been said on this blog about the SWPLs and NE liberal elites encouraging immigration. This has the effect of providing cheap labor for their Fortunate Ones in society, even as it decimates the solid, sturdy white working classes in our country. The middle class is being dispossesed to the point where we will resemble Brazil. A small cadre of elites at the top dining on fine wine and caviar, and a large mass of NAM’s and formerly middle class whites and blue-collar tradesman churning underneath them at the bottom.
Similarly, the signs of this same thing happening sexually are already underway, at least as I see it in the big coastal cities.
Many disgruntled men have complained about how women are hypergamous and have historically used betas (greater betas) as meal tickets to an easy life, where they can either cheat or divorce at will to sate their thirst for alpha cock.
Rising abundance and wealth has now obviated the need for even that. Such beta house-husbands were merely a way-station on the feminist train-ride towards alpha glory. Like the middle class diminution, many betas and greater betas are being discarded even for marriage purposes as women go “””lesbian””” which means they’d rather wait it out for alpha cock and dispense with the marriage, as Whiskey said.
Betas and greater betas are being consigned to the Darwininan metadeathbin formerly occupied by lesser betas and omegas like DA.
Of course, this is all a sign of the End Times, similar to the fall of Rome, where the whole towering house of cards will soon collapse of its own staggering incoherency, as all cultures are wont to do. Perhaps then a rebirth is possible where humanity will begin to recognize what is good and right and a new day will begin.
So whatcha doin’ tonight?
Have you heard that the world’s gone crazy?
Young Americans listen when I say there’s people puttin’ us down
I know they’re sayin’ that we’ve gone lazy
To tell you the truth we’ve all seen better days
Don’t need no fast buck, lame duck, profits for fun
Quick trick plans, take the money and run.
We need some long term, slow burn, getting it done.
And some straight talking, hard working son of a guns”
-Styx
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maurice:
p.s. @ tupac – extremely awesome stuff. keep it comin’.
Aw man, my brain is tired. I was hoping Whiskey would take the baton I was passing to him, but I guess he’s busy.
I’ll get back to this later, dealing with Obsidian’s practical concerns, but for now I’ll just leave you with this analogy.
Culturally, a lot has been said on this blog about the SWPLs and NE liberal elites encouraging immigration. This has the effect of providing cheap labor for their Fortunate Ones in society, even as it decimates the solid, sturdy white working classes in our country. The middle class is being dispossesed to the point where we will resemble Brazil. A small cadre of elites at the top dining on fine wine and caviar, and a large mass of NAM’s and formerly middle class whites and blue-collar tradesman churning underneath them at the bottom.
Similarly, the signs of this same thing happening sexually are already underway, at least as I see it in the big coastal cities.
Many disgruntled men have complained about how women are hypergamous and have historically used betas (greater betas) as meal tickets to an easy life, where they can either cheat or divorce at will to sate their thirst for alpha cock.
Rising abundance and wealth has now obviated the need for even that. Such beta house-husbands were merely a way-station on the feminist train-ride towards alpha glory. Like the middle class diminution, many betas and greater betas are being discarded even for marriage purposes as women go “””lesbian””” which means they’d rather wait it out for alpha cock and dispense with the marriage, as Whiskey said.
Betas and greater betas are being consigned to the Darwininan metadeathbin formerly occupied by lesser betas and o m e g a s like DA.
Of course, this is all a sign of the End Times, similar to the fall of Rome, where the whole towering house of cards will soon collapse of its own staggering incoherency, as all cultures are wont to do. Perhaps then a rebirth is possible where humanity will begin to recognize what is good and right and a new day will begin.
So whatcha doin’ tonight?
Have you heard that the world’s gone crazy?
Young Americans listen when I say there’s people puttin’ us down
I know they’re sayin’ that we’ve gone lazy
To tell you the truth we’ve all seen better days
Don’t need no fast buck, lame duck, profits for fun
Quick trick plans, take the money and run.
We need some long term, slow burn, getting it done.
And some straight talking, hard working son of a guns”
-Styx
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cool. thx for taking the time at the end of a played-out thread. so what’s the fix, in your view? If restricting immigration and/or reviving industry will rebuild the middle class, what should the American male do to counter this? Develop their inner Alphas and impose a different set of rules? Withdraw into beta inactivity per above? Change societal rules re divorce/child support? etc
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doug:
At the very most you haven’t yet, but lied about it here today, and are only theorizing. Based on Rum’s hypergamy theory, modified by me. As I explained in detail up thread.
I disagree with you Doug. I think she really is “bi”, in the sense that she is feminine, but coldly rational, and realized that betas are not worth the trouble and would rather hold out for an alpha for his genes. In this she is similar to DA.
I think “true” lesbians are hardwired, and it shows in their butchness. It’s a hormonal thing.
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Maurice —
She really doesn’t understand that.
Great post.
I have an issue with how this sounds to others, but probably not with what you meant by it.
Alpha males (or most types of them) will go to extreme lengths to protect their mates so long as their mates remain loyal to them in a deep and fundamental way. Alphas will expect their mates to pull their weight — up to but not beyond their abilities. They don’t however expect to pull the sled all by themselves just for show or duty or some nonsense when they’ve got a capable woman pawing to show her stuff.
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yeah, that’s additional to what I meant but didn’t say. I guess the “keeping them in line and calling them on the sh*t” from the earlier post was a different way to say that.
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What they wanted is *power* — the power to make themselves more attractive to men who would otherwise have ignored them. Women still retain, by biological nature, the desire to delicously submit sexually to a dominant male. But to do that they had to get within his social milieu. Feminism helped accomplish that. The males who went along with it were misguided by a foolish idealism. Those are the males that become the despised house-husbands and wallets-with-legs that women climbed on the backs of to have thrilling affairs with higher status men.
BINGO!
That is *exactly* what has happened here. Women have duped everyone into establishing their own sexual utopia: sex only with the top men, and all other men support them financially either as husbands/ex-husbands or through paying taxes which turn into state support. The way you have described this is spot-on, Tupac.
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Obsidian,
It is true. You always bring up race, even when it is totally OT.
Let it rest. Get by it. Get over it. If you can’t help being black, go be black someplace else. The host of this website clearly finds this offensive.
Enough. Start your own website and talk about picking up black girls.
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Women have duped everyone into establishing their own sexual utopia
Sex with a wife who doesn’t want me sexually and views me as a supplemental income source isn’t a sexual utopia either. In contrast, everyday is a sexual utopia for the alphas.
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Women have established their own sexual utopia
DA –
This is what he meant. Looks like you misinterpreted.
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This is what he meant. Looks like you misinterpreted.
Yes, but the ancient regime wasn’t a sexual utopia for beta males. Bad sex is not better than no sex.
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DA —
No, the ancien regime was not a sexual utopia, it was a sexual compromise for both men and women. The alphas had to give up their harems, and the women had to give up their alpha access. That was a quid pro quo for keeping the social peace and getting the men to invest in society and children. In essence, it was civilization.
What we have now is the sexual utopia of women, primarily. As you say, Alphas do well, relative to everyone else, in any system. But the current one is a female sexual utopia. A male sexual utopia — which has never really happened because of the natures of both men and women — would be where the top females are forced to be made available for sex with *all* men — a kind of sexual socialism, if you will. That has never happened, because men compete over women, and the more desirable women have tended to be monopolized, not shared. But the sexual sharing of the top women among all men — not the ancien regime — would be the male sexual utopia.
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it was a sexual compromise for both men and women
Except the compromise sucked since women didn’t get the alpha males that they wanted, and men got stuck with women who didn’t want them. Sadly, most beta males have not been awakened to the idea that they are undesirable and unwanted, and I would urge beta males not avoid women in a sexual fashion to avoid being fleeced whether under the ancien regime or the modern regime.
At this point, we’re just going to have to learn how to maintain a civilization without beta males have access to women. If we can’t, then maybe we should destroy civilization and humanity and let the next species take over.
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Obese-dian wrote :
-“history shows us that Women who look like the stars you have on your site are more the historical norm than more rail thin gals in the current era”
Obese-dian likes ’em PHAT….
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Except the compromise sucked since women didn’t get the alpha males that they wanted, and men got stuck with women who didn’t want them.
But that’s what a compromise *is*, DA. Nether side gets what they want really, but it’s better for everyone than one side winning out completely. What we have now is one side winning out completely, and taking the civilization down with it.
At this point, we’re just going to have to learn how to maintain a civilization without beta males have access to women. If we can’t, then maybe we should destroy civilization and humanity and let the next species take over.
There isn’t one. Men will not invest in society unless they are tied in with kids and wives. The current model works like crap — look at the black community, where the model is most advanced. That is coming everywhere in the West, eventually.
But it’s not a species issue. Not every culture on earth is the West or is feminist. The West will decline, and another contender civilization will replace it as Top Dog. The West may then collapse, or change to the mores of the new top dog civilization.
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Except the compromise sucked since women didn’t get the alpha males that they wanted, and men got stuck with women who didn’t want them.
Faulty premise. Non-pussified men are alpha-enough for most women. Just like women who aren’t fat are attractive enough to most men.
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But that’s what a compromise *is*, DA. Nether side gets what they want really, but it’s better for everyone than one side winning out completely.
Maybe I don’t want to compromise…
I fail to see how beta males are the winners. Crappy sex and unloving wives is not winning, but it’s merely a different version of losing. Handing over 90% of my income to a prostitute that doesn’t go away, a half-assed cook, and a third rate maid doesn’t seem ideal, especially when I only get shitty fake orgasm sex. Under the current regime, I can keep my income even with a shift to a higher tax rate, and I avoid wasting my emotional energy on somebody who doesn’t love me. Once beta males realize that they are simply unlovable and not attractive, I would imagine that most would opt out of sexual relationships with women as well with those who can use game learning it.
Men will not invest in society unless they are tied in with kids and wives.
If allegedly, we can program “feminine” traits into males with indoctrination and propaganda, then in theory we can get males to invest without wives via even stronger indoctrination…
The West will decline, and another contender civilization will replace it as Top Dog.
Given that the rest of the world is rather parasitic off Western technology and development, one could argue that the collapse of the West is the collapse of the entire world.
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Faulty premise. Non-pussified men are alpha-enough for most women. Just like women who aren’t fat are attractive enough to most men.
You do realize that for a sizable chunk of fat women, making them thin just makes them ugly and thin. Non-date is thin, and just look at the comments men here made about her being ugly.
As I stated, for some betas, game is a valid escape route, but there’s nothing like being a pure natural alpha to keep women around.
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The instinct to procreate, build a stable life, desire for companionship, and living up to society’s standards are enough for the critical mass of men and women to marry thier imperfect counterparts.
Especially when most men aren’t pussies and most women aren’t whales. Your non-date may not have been photogenic, but given her youth and a nice personality, she could click with the right guy, and both woudl be happy.
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The instinct
That’s what I’ve never really understood. At last year’s auto show, I was puzzled at the site of all these men with their so-so looking girlfriends, and how they were so happy to be with them. I’m simply at a loss as to how these men can even have sex with these women, and once you realize that beta males are useless, you’d wonder why these men stay.
In other words, if you know that alphas are scoring hot women and having hot sex, why would you still bother with boring, shitty sex with a plain, non sexual looking female? Either learn game and poach off the hot women, or give up and turn to porn and maintain some dignity by refraining from having sex with unattractive women who really don’t like you.
Especially when most men aren’t pussies and most women aren’t whales.
And I stated, turning fat girls into skinny girls just leaves a sizable pool of women who still aren’t sexually attractive. The two fat (white) girls at work would not be any better looking or more attractive if they lost weight, and they’d still be stuck with no ass and no tits.
but given her youth
Non-date is in an age range that you would consider beyond the range of marriageable, and most of my coworkers and friends thought she was 21…
she could click with the right guy, and both woudl be happy
Oddly, her historic inability to find a suitable boyfriend is a periodic topic for our dinner conversations, and she feels that she’s too ugly and low class to find a good man. She feels that her only hope is to finish school so that she’ll pass the basic filters for guy looking for a girl to marry.
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PA
I occasionally feel this instinct. I might actually follow through on it with my current girl. The plan is to set up a little homestead, wait two or three years for the passion to peter out, knock her up, then travel much of the year. Maybe even diddle around in my local neighbourhood, discreetly.
I’m starting to think in terms of setting up several homesteads, rather than endlessly travelling and getting new girls. Because in this way, I can have the my cake, and eat it too.
I’ve tried non-monogamous long term dating in the past. I have the one homestead and 2nd girl thing going on now. The plan is to slowly build on that. Each homestead would be place to let investments grow, rather than a cash flow negative. Rather than use banks or stock investments, I’d set up small businesses, such as money lending, motorcycle renting, farming, small restaurants, etc, for the wives to manage.
I learned years ago that women will put up with non-monogamy, if you have what they want and don’t offer them other alternatives.
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Nova (with credit to Whiskey for many variations on this theme)
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
I’m sure all the Big Horned Rams that lose head butting contests would agree with you that society will collapse unless the women can learn to settle down happily with the betas.
I, on the other hand, am a supremacist. The Alphas won the game – either get over it, or be a sneaky mother-fucker and play a different game.
All this utopian social-engineering talk is as bad as feminist talk. Heady conjecture that will never alter anyones behaviour. The only solution is to find a solution. Finding the problem is not a solution. The only solution is to game the game. Thus: game.
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Doug
Ya, this is Alpha as leader of men. Some alphas deliberately avoid the limelight, for the obvious reason that you can’t get kicked off of your throne if no one knows you are on it.
Alpha as Tony Soprano, a highly adept manager of business and social interests, is a rare skill, that takes a life of dedicated interest to develop. It’s a consuming task, best left for those who truly enjoy it.
I prefer Alpha as invisible rebel.
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I’d rather be the puppet master, rather than the figure head. Kokopelli rather than Scarface. The man the wife is cheating with, not the man she is cheating on. The guy who leads the whore or gold-digger into his trap, not the guy who gets gamed by whores and gold-diggers.
I want my skills and alphaness to be invisible – yet their effects to be wide reaching.
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Tupac
Sounds like you are intimating that Labour needs to step up.
Right-wingers value the force of Evolution, in all things, and say it’s fool hardy to support the weak with handouts. They neglect to notice that a group of organized people are not weak at all – they are just playing a different game. Labour uses the exact same strategy as does Management – win at all costs, and damn your opponent, and damn the nation.
A society not only needs both, it always has both. Even monkey troups manage their Alpha leaders, and keep him in line.
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Doug
Absolutely. Although in-love romantic sex can also be a joy. Passionate can’t get enough kisses combined with unstoppable hunger and urgency of communed bliss. That has a place.
And meat and potatoes fucking is just fine.
But on the whole, dominance and submission, yes. I’m lucky in that I’m a switch, which allows the woman freer expression of her inner selves. They never know they love it until they see how much you love it. But if not being a rough top, or a romantic top, or a meat and potatoes top, i’m a playful top – commanding what games we are playing. is it Daddy Daughter time? “Say Daddy I love you! Say it again! Say it again!” Is she interviewing for a secretary job? “Oh, Miss, you are far better than all the other applicants. You get a glowing recomendation”. Is she the cookie girl? “Miss, would you like to make an extra $10 to bring home to your mother?”.
And then there is the style of playing her like a musical instrument, with an eye to tempo, crescendos, alternating moods – like a 70s long play LP. Floyd, or Zepplelin.
My current GF makes meat and potatoes sex a treat though. Just one long orgasm after the other, for as long as I can last, and as often as I like. Only occasionally can I outlast her and put her comatose.
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As for the purported topic of the thread, I can’t participate as I have nothing interesting to say. The only girl I’d be sexually attracted to is the one on the far right. After having been in Asia for 7 years, the others all look horse faced and huge to me. And then I imagine them to have overbearing personalities, with the unspoken expectation that they are the Queen of the castle. Don’t fuck that noise. I couldn’t open that set, as I couldn’t get hard for it.
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if you know that alphas are scoring hot women and having hot sex, why would you still bother with boring, shitty sex with a plain, non sexual looking female?
I myself have wondered that too, but then I’ve wondered why male prisoners would want to have sex with other prisoners. As PA says these urges are strong. Also keep in mind that some men have cruder tastes than others.
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I’ve wondered why male prisoners would want to have sex with other prisoners
At risk of sounding gay, I’ve seen this phenomenon. Not in prison. At a long Army deployment. No women seen, heard or smelled in 45 days. Even o m e g a s get their fill of female essence during the course of their day. Prisoners, and military guys in the field do not.
The shock to the system on a physiological level can be compared to sleep deprivation.
So there was a dude in our platoon. Cool guy, alpha (civilian chicks at local clubs threw themselves at him and he banged him with relish) but youngish, “pretty” type.
After a while I started noting this thing where the rest of us started to gravitate to him. Nothing faggy. But dudes would start wanting to go on work detail with him vs having other assignments. Dudes started AMOGing each other around him. Dudes started getting jealous when otehr dudes woudl be talking with him.
And this fella? Was he getting nervous? Fuck no. He was 100% straight, banged chicks. But he started to play the girl role. It was real subtle. But he’s bat his eyelashes. tease the NCOs in charge, be coy and cute.
I don’t think anyone was aware of what was going on, but it was for real. And things went back to normal once we got back from the deployment.
So prison sex likely has a similar dynamic going on. Imagining oneself not being a fag is easy in the comfort of a normal life.
It’s like a preppy teenager saying that he/she would never suck a filthy stranger’s cock. But a runuway teen on the streets of Toronto will change his tune real fast after the second night in the cold.
Or as Bob Dylan said:
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Top Gear – Now that is road geeking! They don’t like trains much though.
I know that they routinely rag on trains, but it’s fun competition. I too would like to race a train and a Nissan GT-R.
James May is the classic nerd.
Of the three hosts, I’m probably the closest to James May, except I’m not as slow. My brother is closest to Hammond especially in terms of height…
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I’ve said before and it bears repeating, that Women are incapable of longterm future orientation, contrary to all the hype we hear in the media.
Actually, considering that a woman’s beauty peaks in her early years, it’s actually a good use of long-term future orientation to bang alphas while young and still able to attract them, and then once looks have faded away, to attract betas who are desperate and have kids with them. Telling women to bang beta males while young and pretty and the equivalent of telling men with game to stick to sweet and friendly fat girls.
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David Alexander
Forget the trains. You have the GTR, I can have the DB9.
We can alwaysYou can always take the train on the return leg.With those two cars we should be able to score some hotties. I am sure that tits’n’nails girls love hot cars (better than most things parked outside those LI clubs).
If the two of you get your Jeremy Clarkson cocky/funny on you are set.
BTW:
What is your source for the show? Torrents I presume.
http://www.FinalGear.com is a good place for news and the latest show (link to MiniNova usually).
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That was me at May 9, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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Forget the trains.
That depends on the country. In Germany, yes, but in France, the TGV wins. 🙂
I am sure that tits’n’nails girls love hot cars (better than most things parked outside those LI clubs).
You’re right. Those cars scream flash and money, and they do so better than the Infinity G35/37 Coupes which everybody who could rub three pennies (with mommy and daddy’s credit and down payment) together purchased.
What is your source for the show? Torrents I presume.
I actually watch the show on BBC America like a good little beta. I haven’t bothered with torrents, but my brother’s girlfriend burned a copy of the episodes featuring the GT-R for him.
Maybe I should get into torrents to find the porn that isn’t on eMule…
If the two of you get your Jeremy Clarkson cocky/funny on you are set.
In real life, I can be slightly sarcastic… 😛
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David Alexander
Are those shows the full one-hour? I know some versions are cut to 45 minutes. The torrent versions (I am told) are usually the full one-hour.
The TGV is pretty cool all right. Despite his joking, Clarkson probably admires it because he is a promoter of things engineering.
Deploy that sarcasm with care. 😉
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Since I’m here I may as well ask: does anyone have good recipes for high-protein shakes for muscle-building?
No GNC products, no protein additives, no soy products please, as I don’t eat that stuff. Supposedly bodybuilders once threw eggs & other stuff in the blender. I looked online but haven’t really found anything useful. Thanks!
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Are those shows the full one-hour?
The show is an hour long, but for all intents and purposes, segments have been edited out thus leaving a 45 minute edited version on BBC America, and I base this on the fact that Wikipedia episode guides have portions of each episode that never aired.
The TGV is pretty cool all right.
How can anyone not be mesmerized by the World’s Fastest Railway since 1981?
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PA–
Lupo and Tupac are up on that. Here is a link to Lupo’s site.
Lupo’s given advice in comments there, but just ask him in OT comments at his site or email. He doesn’t get enormous volume (though a good bit). He researches the hell out of these sorts of things and is an older guy (early 40s?) who went on a balls to the wall, post split up, successful lean and mean body sculpting thing.
As far as protein, as opposed to vitamins and extracts and so on go, why a shake? Steak, salmon (with those good omega oils) etc. for protein.
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Default User
Point to the dildo and ask: “so who is your little friend?”
I like and this would make me laugh. It would probably break the ice with most women. Just make sure your follow up is good so you can keep the convo flowing.
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“Wanting the top of the food chain has nothing to do with where a woman is on it.”
Feministx, not according to this reference. Women do seem to avoid men who are too good to be true:
Too good to be ‘true’? The handicap of high socio-economic status in attractive males
Personality and Individual Differences, Volume 42, Issue 7, May 2007, Pages 1291-1300
Simon Chu, Romy Hardaker, John E. Lycett
Abstract
Empirical evidence concerning human mate-choice preferences suggests that females should select partners on the basis of cues to genetic quality and/or ability to contribute resources to childcare. Paradoxically, while high levels of both factors should be an attractive combination to females, they might also dissuade females from entering into a relationship with such males since, by definition, they are likely to be highly attractive to other females, and therefore might increase the likelihood that such a male may cheat or desert the relationship. If so, females should be wary of entering into long-term relationships with physically attractive, high status males as compared with males of lower physical attractiveness or status. We asked females to rate a number of different males in terms of attractiveness as a long-term partner. Females were presented with attractive, average and unattractive male faces paired with lonely-hearts advertisements implying high, medium or low socio-economic status. Highest ratings were consistently given to attractive males of medium status rather than high status. We suggest that females see physically attractive, high status males as being more likely to pursue a mating strategy rather than parenting strategy. Under particular circumstances, high socio-economic status in males can be subtly counter-productive in terms of attractiveness as a long-term partner.
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PA He was 100% straight, banged chicks. But he started to play the girl role. It was real subtle. But he’s bat his eyelashes. tease the NCOs in charge, be coy and cute.
Ah the reason why I love PA. Gems like this^^^.
Tupac Even Chic writes about swooning and getting “funny feelings” watching someone like Bill Clinton.
Don’t forget Obama and it’s not him per say but his magnetism darling that draws women in. In other words, it’s not something that can be purchase or aped. Either you got it or you don’t.
I want to add that I’ve made comments about beta males in the past. While the beta male does not bring out the type of animal lustful feeling that a super alpha like Clinton or Obama do, the non bitter beta decent looking beta male, think Ryan Reynolds(face and body) have a pull on women too. It’s just that with the Reynold’s type it’s a light type of lust and more love/ cuddle type of feelings. The fact that American men as a group, refuse to pay any attention to their physical appearance plays an important role in their not getting a woman. When women have more power read money, a man’s looks become more important because then we are in a position to be choosy. When a woman has nothing to offer, she must take what she can get, this works the opposite way as well.
Men take care of your teeth(invisalign and zoom whitening are our friends), keep your stoamch flat, take care of your nails, and get a good haircut or shave it off if your losing your hair.
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Mu Women on the show can sex as many as a dozen Men, with NO shaming or rebuke forthcoming from either the audience or host, even when its proven beyond statistical probability that NONE of the Men fingered are the baby daddy.
Mu, haven’t you noticed that as soon as the guy is pronounced not the father, the woman runs to the back and the audience jump up and down laughing and pointing at her? Women are looked down upon for that type of ish. The thing is, with women, we don’t pay as much attention to what “our” group think in the same way that men do.
Mu Whiskey’s point about today’s Women simply not wanting to be married anymore is again,
Mu, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that women only *got* married largely for protection and respect. In other parts of the world, women get married to join families that go on to become dynasties. Another reason is to ensure their children are given a head start in life with an alpha(looks, intelligence, familial lenallage(tp) etc).
Whiskey I think it’s telling that the actresses who have the most appeal to White guys (Sanaa Lathan, Halle Berry, Angela Basset, etc) tend to have higher levels of body fat
Have you seen a pic of Angela Basset? She has very little body fat for a woman of 20 much less 50. She is one of the leanest actresses working in Hollywood..
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Asparagus
Yup. Filipino women are known to be aware of this strategy. Many are wary of men who are too handsome, as those tend to butterfly.
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PA,
The perceived importance of “shakes” has more to do with the historical relationship between people who sell bodybuilding mags and the people who buy ad space in those mags in an attempt to sell “shakes” to gullible teenagers than any fact of human physiology. The best way to grow big and strong is by eating large amounts of real food: meat, fish, vegetables, etc. Persons of northern european descent should use bread and pasta sparingly.
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“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Xsplat,
I’m starting to think in terms of setting up several homesteads, rather than endlessly travelling and getting new girls. Because in this way, I can have the my cake, and eat it too.
I’ve tried non-monogamous long term dating in the past. I have the one homestead and 2nd girl thing going on now. The plan is to slowly build on that. Each homestead would be place to let investments grow, rather than a cash flow negative. Rather than use banks or stock investments, I’d set up small businesses, such as money lending, motorcycle renting, farming, small restaurants, etc, for the wives to manage.
I learned years ago that women will put up with non-monogamy, if you have what they want and don’t offer them other alternatives.”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””‘
Thats why I say get to a point where you can save 10k every 5 months. Then that is a business every 5 months. Then you let woman be a part of your empire. People want to be a part of making something larger than themselves and different. After you get the car house job kids. Whats next. Talking about the biggest game of all. Except your not gaming your serious. Your offering them to be a part of your world. Plus letting them step up to a challenge without end and without boredom.
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Thanks Jack and Doug. I work out and eat lots of meat but I’m impatient with the results.
I once knew a female bodybuilder. A really nice black chick who was scary-looking in her trophy photos — all raw muscle — but was a stunner and very feminine in sundresses when not peaking for competition. And to me a sundress + small boobies is what the GNP is to Peter.
Anyway, she had this four-egg shake that she’d drink twice a day, and let me taste it once, and I remember it being pretty good.
So I’m intrigued with the idea of downing a shake after gym, though I wanna stay away from the protein supplements, as every doctor I know says they are bad for the liver and possibly the ‘nads.
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The answer to many questions in Medicine regarding the right dose of something is “enough”. Same with nutrients.
Most of what people take as “supplements” goes out their piss or strains the liver to detoxiify.
Except vitamin D. Researchers in that field are all taking at least 2000 units a day themselves. There is a clue as to what they really believe. It looks like it really helps, mainly because it is more like hormone than a vitamin.
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“””””””PA,
At risk of sounding gay””””””””
LOL that was gay man.
Not that I care about gays since it lightens up the competition.
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Gunner — what happens in the bush, stays in the bush 🙂
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Mu, haven’t you noticed that as soon as the guy is pronounced not the father, the woman runs to the back and the audience jump up and down laughing and pointing at her?
I’m amazed that he hasn’t noted the same thing. While I rarely watch the show (NPR and employment get in the way), my niece and nephew wake me up to watch it with them*, and they seem to relish at laughing at the woman even though they have no clue as to what’s really going on. The crowd just seems to laugh at the mother each time she fails at discovering the father of her child.
*Yeah, bad parenting on my part. My nephew is now old enough to understand what the show is about, and it serves as a lesson for him.
Ryan Reynolds
Chic, he looks more alpha than the average man. Even if he was a beta, he still has good looks which isn’t of any use to somebody like myself.
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DA, reynold’s face is too narrow. He is nice looking but not gorgeous. It’s Reynold’s body that puts him over the top.
Chic, he looks more alpha than the average man
Yea his body imagine if he was 50lbs heavier(fat). Not so hot then. Another nice looking beta is the lead from the bromance movie.
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He is nice looking but not gorgeous
And by male standards, he is still above average. For most women, he is the attainable guy that they want to marry. While I’m a not some hideous ugly wreck, even if I fixed up my teeth and built a little muscle, all things being equal, he will score more women than me.
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LOL PA I was a mechanic so there was always some female around somewhere. Just like now always a couple to look at. The force is strong in me. I did year 2 months no thought of going gay lol
It does seem like this might be the gayest war ever though.
Sometimes I wish we were swedish they bring there woman with them.
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It wasn’t me who was being gay. I was describing other dudes, who were getting all worked up about that effeminate guy.
Heh, but that was a crazy FTX. It was the same one where I described whacking off in a portajohn after 12 days of abstinence due to lack of any privacy.
The drive back was crazy. I couldn’t wait to get baqck to the barracks for some more “privacy.” My passenger was sleeping. It was a miracle I didn’t drive my truck off the road.
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Sometimes I wish we were swedish they bring there woman with them
I heard somewhere that the Swedish or Dutch military has men and women showering together. That’s gotta be awesome.
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definetly wild times in army. Lot of varied experiences.
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It does seem like this might be the gayest war ever though.
Army can be wierd. In PLDC, it was mostly good training, but then we’d have these classes on diversity, and sexual harassment, and being nice to everybody, and unicorns and rainbows and lolipops, that made me wonder I’m in some Vermont college sociology class.
This one Ranger in our class said with disgust “what a fucking pussy farm.”
But then we’d go out on a four-day sleep deprivation + tear gas bivouac (and it rained the whole time — at least it helped me stay awake) and it was hardcore again.
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Haven’t heard the showering one lol but when your in the field with females for real. Can’t help but see some yellow drawers. But yea everyone else pretty much allowed to drink except our free selves.
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DA And by male standards, he is still above average. For most women, he is the attainable guy that they want to marry.
Bingo DA. Obama and Clinton will inspire feeling of wanting to hit and admire from afar but most sensible women know that type of man is not obtainable without a load of BS.
BTW, Michelle’s high school prom date is/was very handsome. Michelle must have a powerful aura too. She is 2/ 2 so far.
While I’m a not some hideous ugly wreck,
Yes, thank God your not. Life is not easy when you are at the bottom.
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Chicnoir
“Life is not easy when you are at the bottom.”
yeah…you would know.
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@schoolboy- very funny 🙂
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@Chicnoir
I was aiming on making you cry, I have failed as a man.
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“”””””””””Given that the rest of the world is rather parasitic off Western technology and development, one could argue that the collapse of the West is the collapse of the entire world.”””””””””””””””””””””””
Nope it sure wouldn’t.
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schoolboy I was aiming on making you cry, I have failed as a man.
@schoolboy- don’t worry I have three older brothers so they teased me so much as kid that those things don’t bother me much. Besides, I’m pretty cute anyway 🙂
funfact: I’m a couple of years older than you 🙂
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Chic: “Besides, I’m pretty cute anyway ”
Proof is needed.
“Funfact: I’m a couple of years older than you”
I didn’t want to know. Nonetheless you seem old.
Like 32 or something.
P.s emoticons make you look like you seek approval. word to the not so wise.
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I didn’t want to know. Nonetheless you seem old.
Like 32 or something.
I am wise beyond my years 🙂
You say you didn’t want to know yet you ask a question in your next sentence. Tighten up schoolboy.
I’m 21 schoolboy.
schoolboy Proof is needed.
Early bird gets the word or is it worm 😉
P.s emoticons make you look like you seek approval. word to the not so wise.
Well I am a girl so I suppose to be cutsie 🙂 🙂 🙂
Your use of game comes off more ahole than smooth. Like I’m going to get my brother or a bouncer to beat you up type ahole.
Now go out to the clubs to practice on real women. Remember don’t nervous, hold in your gut be confident and don’t forget to lick
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@ DA
“While I’m a not some hideous ugly wreck, even if I fixed up my teeth and built a little muscle, all things being equal, he will score more women than me.”
Not necessarily true. Ryan Reynolds has very little game. He’s a nice, interesting guy…he’s sweet. But I can definitely see a regular looking guy with a decent amount of game and confidence pwn’ing him in a set like this.
Just goes to show, famous only gets you in the door. I’m not saying that he couldn’t work this set if the girls knew who he was, and/or thought he was hot — the girls would definitely give him a little leeway for this…but a good PUA could definitely steal the crowd away.
Sure, were it based on looks alone, or like…fame alone, then he would win. Unless you’re a sexy superstar, and I just don’t know it. Luckily, it’s not.
@ PA
What they said. The best way to go is naturally, if you have the patience. I hate protein shakes. And all fake food. But, I’m a girl. Try metabolic circuits. Those are for true champions.
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chic noir
I think a lot of the stress on openers in the PUA community is to remove one approach-anxiety excuse (the “but I don’t know what to say” one).
Sometimes a vanilla “hi” type opener works just fine. In this case you need playful humor to match the mood. As you said keeping that humor and playfulness throughout the conversation is important.
Regarding Ryan Reynolds (I had to look him up):
If you are worried about beautiful children he is probably a better bet than someone with a more overtly masculine face. Both you sons and daughters have a chance of good looks. With a more masculine-faced man you daughters could end up looking butch.
Regarding beta love and “light type of lust and more love/ cuddle type of feelings.”:
I am sure I will have David Alexander on my side here. I suppose it is better than nothing but “cuddle type feelings” don’t sound very inspiring. All that work on game, clothes, teeth, and hair just to get “cuddle type feelings.” Sorry chic, that was the least inspiring thing I have heard today (but it is early). It really does suck to be beta, nothing to look forward to but “cuddle type feelings.”
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PA,
Not sure what the issue is but since I do weight training with swimming, there’s just not enough protein by eating to maintain growing strength and power without a good protein supplement.
One of the best and reasonably priced in volume via Amazon is Optimum Nutrition’s whey gold standard. Many, many positive reviews and there’s no way I can possibly eat 200 grams of protein every day. I tend to eat some pasta too but still it’s the best.
Just have to be careful as I found that it was easy to add weight along with strength. I’m pushing more weight now than ever along with swimming a mile or more after.
Optimum nutrition is a fine product and it helps recovery as well along with going down ultra easy with just water and taste fine. Double chocolate.
Have not seen anything on liver issues with this stuff or any other. At all.
And btw, didn’t Ryan Reynolds marry Scarlet Johansen? She’s a pudgy little thing that will soon escape again (she looked really good when she trimmed down) but she was on a lot of lists for whatever reason.
She even said she couldn’t be monogamous and now she’s been lassoed. I think it was Ryan Reynolds.
Guy must have some game. Can’t be at a 0-10 on a 100 score. Just not possible.
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LILGRL – Ryan Reynolds has very little game. He’s a nice, interesting guy…he’s sweet.
How do you know if Ryan Reynolds has any game?
But I can definitely see a regular looking guy with a decent amount of game and confidence pwn’ing him in a set like this.
You are a ditzbag. You think a so called regular looking guy with merely “decent” game is going to make those 4 girls ignore this guy?
Reynolds would just have to stand there and say NOTHING and he wins over a regular guy.
When another guy is trying real hard making the effort on women the other man just has to be cool and aloof and then make sure the women here him say – “You sure are a hard worker. That’s a quality women love in a man.”
Then make eye contact with the women and give maybe just a hint of a smile.
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chic:
LOL. Biaatch please
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It really does suck to be beta, nothing to look forward to but “cuddle type feelings.
The funny part is that I can get that without using game. It’s called a platonic female friend.
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David Alexander
And you don’t even have to look like Ryan Reynolds.
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That’s pretty much what I look for in a woman, so it’s good if the feeling is mutual. I doubt I could trust a woman who is too much into lust and sex.
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@ Willard Libby
“How do you know if Ryan Reynolds has any game?”
I don’t think I have to spell that out for you?
“You think a so called regular looking guy with merely “decent” game is going to make those 4 girls ignore this guy?”
I guess it depends on what you mean by “decent.” Ryan wouldn’t be hard to top. And he’s not shirtless in clubs. If he were shirtless…yeah, sure. I’m not huge on his face, though. Like, he’s cute, but that’s it.
“When another guy is trying real hard making the effort on women the other man just has to be cool and aloof and then make sure the women here him say – “You sure are a hard worker. That’s a quality women love in a man.”
Then make eye contact with the women and give maybe just a hint of a smile.”
That = game. At least a little bit. He is certainly not aloof.
“You are a ditzbag.”
Awesome. I’ve never been called that before. Kudos!
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For a lot of women, famous gets you in a lot of places ;)… no denying it. but a pua can might still be able to outgame a star’s starpower.
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And you don’t even have to look like Ryan Reynolds.
And she doesn’t need to look like a porn star either.
That’s the fun part about alphas stealing all the women. After getting fucked by Roissy, some women need somebody to talk, but with a male perspective, and since there aren’t enough gays around, beta males like myself fill that role. The best part is that it’s rather in expensive, and you can sometimes do fun stuff like go to movies, eat out, or go to festivals with her. Plus, you can skirt around the tasks of a boyfriend since you can always say “isn’t that your boyfriend’s job?”. Mind you, this only applies to women that you are not attracted to or have enough will-power to resist avoid sex.
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DA — After getting fucked by Roissy, some women need somebody to talk, but with a male perspective, and since there aren’t enough gays around, beta males like myself fill that role.
Is this you being “in character” or your real feelings?
I’m trying to imagine myself in a position of a guy who the girl will talk to after being plowed by another guy. Even if I eat lots of soy, listen to Mylene Farmer, and jog 40 miles per week to drain away some of my testosterone…
… once she leans in to hug me to cry about the alpah who dumped her, and I smell her near the neck I’ll wanna swith on my makeout mode. I’d have to either start kissing her and playing with her breasts, or let her reach down to unzip me.
All this assuming she is good looking. If she’s unattractive, then I’d rather just play a video game or refresh Roissy’s blog than listen to her talk.
Why do you experience the hug-buddy role differently than how I would?
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PA,
I don’t know what your goals are, but chances are if you feel like you’re not making progress it’s either because you’ve already made a lot of progress (in which case your training needs to get a little more sophisticated) or because you’re doing a bunch of useless crap in the gym (in which case you’d probably benefit from simplifying your training).
What are your stats? Age, ht, BW, ~BF%, squat, DL, bench, standing MP, power clean.
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default user All that work on game, clothes, teeth, and hair just to get “cuddle type feelings.” Sorry chic, that was the least inspiring thing I have heard today (but it is early). It really does suck to be beta, nothing to look forward to but “cuddle type feelings.”
My bad I should of gone into more detail. The decent/good looking beta inspires cuddle type feelings and those of gentle LM not animal lust. Therefore, for the decent/good looking beta, it’s important that your LM skills are on point. You can wrap a woman around your finger if you can make her see stars. She will keep you around as a FB when she doesn’t have a boyfriend. Alexass K Tylor’s fame came about as a response she had to some good peen from a slightly above average looking man. She had no idea the guy could turn her out because he had betaish none player vibe.
Men like Obama and Clintion cause women to light up when they walk into the room. There is no posing etc.. needed, it’s just their being that makes women spark. I suspect John Edwards has a bit of this too.
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Oh, and if you want to drink a shake postworkout, go to bulk foods and get some whey, dextrose and maltodextrin. My shake has 60g each of dex and malt plus 75g of whey (I get the cheap 80% whey). But I am a big dude, over 250. Adjust accordingly.
If you like you can add 5g creatine to that (also available cheap at bulkfoods).
But if you find that to be a lot of fuss, you can get approximately the same effect from a jug of chocolate milk.
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Why do you experience the hug-buddy role differently than how I would?
Generally, the hug is something that happens when we meet or when we leave. I don’t hug the girl every five minutes. Secondly, not every girl is capable of giving good hugs, so you tend to use them sparingly for that purpose. And yes, nobody compares to Wellesley Queen in terms of hugs.
Plus, I’ll note that depending on the female friend, sex is barely mentioned, or she’ll simply complain about him, and she’ll want a (straight) male perspective as to why the boyfriend does that. Otherwise, we talk about other stuff to pass the time, and the girls tend to talk to me first, then we run off respectively to our sex partners, her with her boyfriend, and me with my porn.
once she leans in to hug me to cry about the alpha who dumped her, and I smell her near the neck I’ll wanna swith on my makeout mode
Oddly, that has never happened to me. Nobody has ever cried on my shoulders except for my niece.
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chic noir
I was half kidding in my earlier comments. It was not as if I was going to drop out of the game but…
It is still depressing that I have to work hard on my game and two useless, scumbag, parasitic politicians who can do nothing useful, who created nothing can “make women spark” “by their being.” There really is no justice in the world. 😉
But as the masthead says “pretty lies perish.”
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Default User It is still depressing that I have to work hard on my game and two useless, scumbag, parasitic politicians who can do nothing useful, who created nothing can “make women spark” “by their being.” There really is no justice in the world.
For women, it’s the 10’s who are as dumb as a bag of broken crayons. Plenty of non 10’s feel the very same way.
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chic noir
That is a good comparison. Like I said, there really is no justice in the world.
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Default,
Thing is guys can become a ten. Woman a little bit harder if they weren’t born that way.
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default user That is a good comparison. Like I said, there really is no justice in the world.
For women it’s the 10’s who are as dumb as a bag of broken crayons.
Agreed that’s why we must find our own happiness(art,books,sports etc…) and screw what other people think.
guns- for a guy to become a ten he must already have looks, wealth, strong presence, height because a ten is perfection all the way around for a man. Balthazar Getty( the cheating louse) comes to mind. He reads like something str8 out of a harlequin romance novel minus is hoish behavior.
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chic noir
But man (at least not this one) does not live by books, art, etc. alone. For attraction you do have to care what (at least one other) person thinks.
Regarding anything, even attractiveness, who wants to be mediocre?
Balthazar Getty – Not my type but Bhetti might like him 🙂
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Gunslingergregi
According to chic, 10 might be out of the question. I will have to make do with a 9.5.
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LOL female 10’s are bought and sold not so with male tens.
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And I am talking about the actresses you folks talk about being oh so pretty.
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@default User- I’m sure bhetti will dig him and understand the harlequin presents angle.
But man (at least not this one) does not live by books, art, etc. alone. For attraction you do have to care what (at least one other) person thinks.
True, but when you don’t overly stress yourself tot please people, for some reason become attractive to people, think of how James Dean’s devil may care attitude is so attractive to women (along with his looks). For some reason most people hate to be ignored or have someone be indifferent to them. That’s where/why you have people qualifying themselves and hoing themselves out on reality TV or to random people in the club/bar . Any attention is good attention esp to those in my age group it’s so sad.
Why do you think there are more and more men doing the hipster look? It’s because the first group who started that look had a “don’t care what other people think, I’m unique blah blah blah ” sort of attitude and it attracted women. None hipster artsy lefty guys noticed it worked for some guys and adopted the look and attitude and guess what, they got chics. At this point thought, the hipster look is developing a backlash after backlash and may soon be played out.
off topic: Kayne West fell off being a sex symbol when he started running his mouth all of the time. women don’t like it when men are attention hoes. You can add 50 cents and Cammron(sorry canon) to the list as well but to a lesser degree than Kayne. Sometimes, we women like a degree of mystery around a man and it seems that men appreciate this too.
gunsLOL female 10’s are bought and sold not so with male tens.
I don’t understand?
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chic noir
Just ignore my recent posts. Got into a kind of introspective thing today. While I do hate the thought of mediocrity in anything important to me I don’t obsess over not been Bill Clinton/Obama/that guy that Bhetti likes.
Good points on trying too hard to please people. And I am unique, just like everybody else [baa baa]
🙂
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Because a female pretty much just have to have the look to be a ten. A female ten will more than likely not be creating an empire. A male can do so and become a ten. A female who does so does not become a ten or have access to whatever male tens she wants. A male with an empire will.
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Gunslingergregi
I cannot make myself 6’4″ but I can certainly try all the game/empire building stuff. While perfect tenness might escape me a very satisfactory 9 point something is possible.
In any case, empires are fun in and of themselves.
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Chic,
True, the Maury crowd does react to the “NOT” test results-but that isn’t the same as full-on ridicule of the Woman’s behavior-and since Maury is the leader of the band, his not doing so is telling.
My point is that in our time now, there is no real penalty for Women engaging in such behavior. Back in the postwar years, there *was* a penalty-you stayed in a girl’s home, your child was put up for adoption, and the very act of being sent away served as a strong disincentive to other younger girls *not to do that*. Only when the Pill and Abortion became widely available, along w/attendant loosening of social stigmas in this regard, did things change in a big way.
Churchill once sad that the surefire way to get more of something is to pay for it-and the bottomline is that we’re pying for the things Maury shows on his show everyday. Only when we turn off the spigot, make such behavior really bad in the eyes of others, and put Daddy Testing in the center of things where it belongs, will things change.
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Chic,
Something else, if I may.
The idea of Marriage being done for reasons other than what you noted above is indeed a recent thing, and I’m of the view that “change” for its own sake doesn’t automatically equate to “good”-just different. True, Women in our time can afford to be more choosy, but the fact remains that the previous arrangement did a decent job of averaging out interests for all parties involved.
As for American Men not taking care of themselves and so on, I have no problem with what you said; however, my and other Men’s concerns here, is how many Women go about doing what they do. A not insignificant number of them don’t seem to have much problem duping, or trying to dupe, one guy as the daddy of a baby she conceived with someone else-and the relative silence among Women in this regard, speaks volumes.
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@Mu- If you look back at my old posts since I started commenting here about a year ago I’ve been very vocal in my belief that DNA testing should be mandatory before any man signs a birth certificate. You and I are I2I on the OWC thing. I think that women who pull the okie doke on that score are dead wrong. Not only do they hurt their partners but their children are scared as well, more so than the “dad”.
and I’m of the view that “change” for its own sake doesn’t automatically equate to “good”-just different.
I agree
True, Women in our time can afford to be more choosy, but the fact remains that the previous arrangement did a decent job of averaging out interests for all parties involved.
I can’t buy this part. People stay in loveless marriages even today. Many people stayed in marriages those days because being divorced carried way to much stigma and as you know most humans follow the crowd.
You can look at how banal sex tapes are as an example of how human being are willing to participate in acts once considered debauched after the stigma is removed. Being divorced was so frowned upon that it could hurt a man job wise.
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Def/chic:
This is where fiction needs to be divided from reality.
You make presumptions upon my elevated tastes. While Balthazar does read out of a Presents, I have reservations about real life men grown with a silver spoon. In the crafting of a fantasy figure, which is what women do with their Prince Charming sort of fantasies, all the accessories are demonstrations of a man’s character rather than the attraction in itself. Wealth, height, looks, they’re all shortcuts in Presents for: he can do anything, he can take me into different worlds, he is confident, he is the master of his universe, all the women want him.
Def’s more attractive to me than Balthazar at the moment. It’s all in the spark and meaning of interaction; all the rest is bonus points.
A ’10’ for a man would be very difficult to define for me. Regardless, a man working hard at his living and improving his knowledge is much more attractive than an ignorant, wealthy son of a sheik.
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Chic,
Just saw your reply.
In no way am I attempting to romanticize marriage as we’ve known it here in the West; of course, things can go horribly wrong. But when one considers the overall “box score” and compares it to the last say, 35, 40 years, its hard to make the case, w/a straight face, that the current deal is better than the previous one.
Moreover, I’m of the view that we here in the West have a very overrated view of what Love is and its role in the overall scheme of things. I think we place undue importance in that, and almost no importance on duty, maturity, temperance and just plain ole respect, all of which makes marriage or anything else, truly worthwhile. Falling in and out of love can happen in a weekend. You need more than that to make a marriage work, and strangely enough, people managed to do that a lot better in the past than we do right now.
Lastly, let me commend you on the one hand for speaking out, while at the same lament the *overall boxscore* among Women in general in this regard. The simple fact remains that Women aren’t too crazy about stemming the tide of cuckoldry attempts, hence all the tooth and nail fighting against the use of paternity testing in divorce cases or at birth in hospitals. Womn know the deal, and in evolutionary terms, want *somebody* to support their babies. My position is, why should *any of us* monetarily support the *private choices* of another? You’ll note that I’m deliberately using the very same language of the Pro Choice crowd-and just like I don’t want to pay for abortions (afterall, I ain’t having one), I also don’t wanna pay for another Man’s sexual play byproduct either. Besides, if Women are so independent, why do they need *anyone* to help them buy Pampers? Can’t they do it themselves?
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A not insignificant number of them don’t seem to have much problem duping, or trying to dupe, one guy as the daddy of a baby she conceived with someone else-and the relative silence among Women in this regard, speaks volumes.
One could argue that to a certain extent, it’s a degree of role separation for men in the minds of women. In other words, David is the nice sweet dad who hugs the kids and provides for warm cuddles, while Roissy provides for hot, passionate, and animalistic sex in a short-term context. She needs both men around to make her life easier with the (low T) beta specializing in providing a warm, loving environment and the (high T) alpha specializing in highly aggressive masculine sexuality. Mind you, as we’ve all noted, while Roissy has no qualms about his duty, the beta doesn’t want to be a cuckold in most cases and would rather take the risk of growing old and lonely to avoid cuckoldry, and the strong support of David Alexander types only extends to his close female friends and his nieces and nephews.
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[coughs]
Obviously that was meant to be a sly grin indicating amused mastery and cool disinterest.
Maybe 😕
or perhaps 😎
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Dave Alex,
The point, as yove alluded to, is that the “Beta” has no choice in the matter, due to the deceptive nature of the enterprise on the part of the female. It is completely unfair, and, I would go so far as to say, immoral, and the relative *collective* silence on the part of Women-and in some quarters, vehement opposition to such things as Paternity Testing-again speaks volumes here.
As for Roissy, he’s gone on record as saying that such actions are tantamount to raping a Man, something to which I agree-and here’s where I must disagree w/Maury himself, when he attempts to tell guys that he has kids not of his own blood. Of course what he leaves out is the fact that those kids were adopted by himself and his wife, where he knew upfront what the deal was-which is wholly different from what we’re discussing here. The bottomline is that every Man has a right to lookout for his own interests, genetic and otherwise, nor should he be made to underwrite the pivate choices of others. To say nothing of being a blatant victim of Paternity Fraud.
Let me be clear here, Dave. I have no problem whatsoever who a Woman chooses to allow between her legs; I respect her right to do w/her body as she wishes. I just don’t want to pay for it.
And neither should you or any other Man.
Capice?
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Dave Alex,
Something else-very, very few Women have the ability to carry on a longterm sexual relationship w/multiple Men; as you noted, they’ll do one Man for sexual purposes, while having another Man for nonsexual support, be that monetary, emotional, or both, etc.
Again, the problem here is that all the players involved don’t get to make the same kind of choice that Women themselves make such a big deal about-when it comes to themselves. It is this kind of deception, wilful overy often, that I rail against most vociferously.
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Tupac Chopra:
An observation, It can also be the inevitable result of past experiences of betrayal at the hands of men, and traumatic rape. It is possible, but not wise, for men to underestimate the effects of certain types of male betrayal on young women.
An atmosphere in which contra-natural idealistic political ideologies, artificially sustained by widespread social prosperity and a governmental structure prone to subsidize social benefits for society’s weaker participants, allows the result of these betrayals to ripple outward. E.g. “I can have all of this, I deserve all of this, but I’m taking this shit up the ass from fucktard men?” The knowledge one has options increases a certain basic anger and rage. Rightly so.
But I agree with your observation.
Resenting masculinity and male sexual power, while desiring surrender to its most extreme manifestations, is rather contra-nature, and boggles the mind. Seeing pure masculinity as evil is the natural counterpart to the whipped beta male resentment of the realities of pure femininity. Both are grounded in resentment.. sometimes rightly so.
A misogynist can re-write feministx’s points well, excepting feministx can get laid with ease, and most beta male misogynists can not… because they are beta males, which is gets to the heart of certain imbalances… Unless they learn how to “game” girls (or simply just man up, and experience certain epiphanies which are rare). This, I suppose, explains a lot of the sublimated male rage that pervades on this blog. It’s the counterpart of feministx’s sublimated anger and hatred of masculinity. When I was younger and a misogynist my misogyny was more rooted in my inability to let go of certain idealizations of the feminine state, and inability to understand the heartbreak I suffered at the hands of certain women. Male rage is a predictable thing…
Well so is female rage.
Entirely missing from the picture is any sense of balance and repose. A society full of tragically lost sheep, the lot of them.
Predictable. Except at the same time indoctrinated into an ideological perspective that explicitly labels this “more” as evil.
When people fail to surrender to reality, they try to mold reality on the bases of their ideas and ideology. This is a filter, they literally filter out some aspects of reality, and focus on other aspects of reality to a greater degree.
It can take decades to wake up, realize how shitty one’s inner life has become of this, and seek some sort of healing. Some never will because they function seemingly just well as broken people.
Fuck that. Misandry and Misogyny have a root in the same thing. A partial viewing of reality as it is, without letting go of certain cherished beliefs of reality as it should be, and the inability to digest suffering at the hands of the other. “Wish replaces understanding.” We males have been tragically conditioned to believe certain ideal things of women and expect certain things, when some, or many, fail to reach our expectations we are crushed. Females are conditioned to believe certain ideal things about sex and gender and when certain, many, men trump them – and they still experience a psychological reaction to such men, this can disgust them and crush them. Nothing creates a man hater like a too frequent pump and dump, an abusive father, or rape. Nothing creates a woman hater like a castrating mother, or seeing the most angelic and idealized female one loves with all his heart bukaked by the captain of the football team behind the gym.
Once we trod our ideals under feet and see things more for what they are, then we have the problem of “which way to go when our idols have burned”
This becomes an existential tests of a man or woman, when the illusions shattered, the idols are overturned, what do you do in the desert of the real?
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This, historically, is not quite accurate. It depends on the culture and its social structures. It may be more accurate in certain periods of European history, but even still not quite.
The courtesan was more or less a slave girl, and certain courtesans historically often caught the hearts of aristocrats. Early Greek history had occasions in which hetaerae were favored by their men above their own wives. Often.
Many of the most powerful women in Ottoman Turkey were slave girls who worked themselves up through the ranks. Some Ottoman courtesans all but ran the state at times. In the history of the East this was no exception, dozens of examples can be found in Chinese history and literature, Arab history, Persian history, Indian history. Only in Europe, in which Church sanctioned monogamy for rulers was the rule (with exceptions, like Arab influenced Norman Sicily, or early Carolingian France where male polygamy existed) did a zero sum game exist in which a married wife was unquestionably dominant, and the courtesans, slave girls, and mistresses of lower class origins meekly accepted their role as pump and dump recipients. Often, shockingly enough, these women captured the hearts of their men.
In many other societies slave girls were able to, by degrees, more or less work themselves up through the ranks and become the dominant queen bitches over an aristocrat’s harem.
One common theme in early Arab poetry was an aristocrat’s falling in love with a slave girl and pining for her, lavishing favors upon her. It was a stable theme in that civilization’s literature. Do not dismiss these as unimportant exceptions, we are talking about almost 2000 years of history of civilizations that controlled larger landmasses than Europe.
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Nuanced observations.
Seek and you shall find. That is what most humans do on a regular basis. If they seek misery, they shall find it. If they expect a certain people to be awful and to treat them terribly, then they shall find such people who fit their preconceived notions. Humans will never run out of examples to confirm their biases.
One’s reactions to past wounds and experiences that help define one’s character. Some people come out of adversity stronger than before, having fully absorbed lessons that help them on the path towards healing and greater joy.
Others never move past the injury, seeking revenge and lashing out, continuing the cycles of pain. The difference only takes a small shift in perspective, but many people never make that shift.
The set of teachings now known as “game” is a shift. It is a shift onto the dark path, a negative kind of awakening. It can propel seekers onto a seemingly more crystal-clear reality, but what is real?
All we can ever receive are partial viewings of reality. Those who are embittered by their world views refuse to acknowledge this. They want absolutes, certainties and a solid, grounded basis for reality.
This can never be. The world shall always be one step beyond our petty human faculties. That mystery is part of the beauty of existence, and it is a world that we should learn to accept rather than reject.
No one can get out of the desert alone. The human being is a herd animal. We know the self through the other. The hermit can reach a degree of understanding deep in introspection, but can he learn to truly love? In the end, we are all interconnected, strand by strand, everything to everything else.
We are not sheep, but we are afraid of what lies beyond. We retreat to the comfort of the known — the physical world familiar to us — because it’s all we’ve ever known. The materialist reality is itself an illusion that we are afraid to shatter.
We are each gifted with magnificent consciousness. What we learn in growing up is learning to suppress our innate curiosity and emotion, our true selves. Logic and reason are not the enemies of intuition and spirituality. They all constitute parts of the perfect whole.
The path: Overcome conditioning and forgive past hurts. Face fear itself, because the fear of death keeps one from truly being alive. Continuously challenge oneself. Seek enlightenment and wisdom. Understand and love.
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David Alexander:
Sigh… this… is… true, to a degree.
But I care not if this separation of roles benefits her. I want no part of it because it doesn’t benefit me. And I think that only the most whipped of men would find it preferable to be a source of sweet warm loving support whilst another man was literally splattering cum in his woman’s face. The thought of someone’s skeet dripping from the eyelashes of a woman I love arouses great anger, and homicidal ideations, in me.
Some men are different, quite possibly by nature, but I don’t understand it. I cannot understand or even believe that any man could willing choose a most unnatural bifurcation of roles. I want both or none at all.
Perhaps some men are socially conditioned out of a jealousy that is simply natural to the male state. I allow that for a few men, but I suspect social conditioning in many cases… And a surrender to one’s fate – settling.
Frankly I think the “alpha” versus “beta” division is a gross simplification of a more complex continuum of male sexuality. Accepting a set and given role in it is simply also a matter of conditioning.
Your peers and society tell you “do this and be alpha” “do this and be nice” and you think “gosh I’m so nice, I must be a beta, or gee, I don’t want to be a beta chump, so I’m going to be an ultra alpha cock swinging rake” when the reality is more complex and you’ve just cut aspects of your BEING off with a razor.
The devil’s in the details and gradations. Some men are naturally very nice, relaxed, and sweet, while still having a rugged animal sexuality to them.
I’m a nice guy, I do not seek conflict, I’m sweet, I pet kids on the head randomly while walking home, I dream of fatherhood and lament not being a father at my age, I love cuddling, I love giving women flowers, I call girls sweety and silly pet names. I am polite to a T. I display many stereotypical beta male traits.
I also enjoy pinning young girls to coffeeshop bathrooms walls, pulling their hair hard, and slowly ravishing them from behind, and smacking their asses on the way out the door. Or taking a girl in a cemetery behind a bush while a family walks by 10 feet away and lays flowers on grandma’s grave. (ah, the memories), or letting a sweet (lapsed) catholic girl go down on me behind a church parking lot.. I think that male sexuality exists on a continuum. I don’t buy the absolute “alpha” and “beta” designation (though there are obviously some absolute omegas… rather shoggoth like beings actually)
And the thought of being a cuckold inspires me to extremes of personal and property damage. It is no surprise to me that modern female spiritualities, new age and suchlike, often condemn the emotion of jealousy. But Jealousy is often a female indulgence anyway and some measure of jealousy and pride is a good thing in a man.
If I was with a particular woman, and a man cuckold me, he would be hard pressed to live to his next birthday. He might well find himself in a predicament that could possibly result in his demise. My basic generosity would dictate he lives, I really don’t want to kill, but I would hurt him.
And this is how it should be. Anyone who says this is barbaric, well fuck your opinion.
Up’s the stakes. Keeps society polite.
The worst thing that ever happened to Westerners was they lost the balls to duel. Blood feuds and duels are not barbaric, they keep society civilized and keep lesser men without honor in line. Only the effete and those civilized unto obscurity disagree. Everyone knows this is an unpleasant truth. Sometimes force is necessary to keep the dishonorable in line.
I’m nice, but cross me and I will be a ruthless bastard. I will find you when you least expect it.
And if you press charges like a chump, in spite of my generosity in letting you live, one way or another you will regret it even more…
All men should be like that.
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Kamal,
Cosign 100%. And this comes from a Man who had a firm intention to unload 2 clips’ worth of Glock-fired lead into a Man who crossed me in the past. That Man will never live life in quite the same way again.
I make no mistake for having the extreme capacity for violence. And like you, I very much prefer to be nice. But if pressed, I can unleash the Pittbulls of War.
Grrr…
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Hope:
The set of teachings now known as “game” is a shift. It is a shift onto the dark path, a negative kind of awakening. It can propel seekers onto a seemingly more crystal-clear reality, but what is real?
“What is real”? That’s a question losers in the game of life ask.
The set of teachings now known as “game” is a shift. It is a shift onto the dark path, a negative kind of awakening. It can propel seekers onto a seemingly more crystal-clear reality, but what is real?
Been drinking the Sara Kool Aid, eh? It’s OK, it happens eventually.
The path: Overcome conditioning and forgive past hurts. Face fear itself, because the fear of death keeps one from truly being alive. Continuously challenge oneself. Seek enlightenment and wisdom. Understand and love.
…and rainbows, gumdrops and ponies just flew out of my butt.
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Kamal
great comment. People here focus on the shaming of females, but forget the other side. Any Casanova would meet his grave very early once he started messing with married women.
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The worst thing that ever happened to Westerners was they lost the balls to duel. Blood feuds and duels are not barbaric, they keep society civilized and keep lesser men without honor in line.
I agree with this. On a related note, I’ve asserted in the past that the death penalty is a cornerstone of civilized society.
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Hope, Bhetti
Hope, serious question:
Do you make a specific effort to be poetic in your writings or does it just naturally come out that way? Again, I am not mocking, just asking. I will even avoid making any comment on your “dark path” view of game (your poetry and my logic will not move either of us on that).
Bhetti:
This is the side of your personality that you need to let out for play. Not the side that reads romance novels in a detached way, but that part that actually enjoys it in the real world. Enjoys it with out irony or intellectual gloss.
Hope:
You need to study Bhetti’s [the little vixen 😉 ] very effective flirting.
I wait both you answers with anticipation (and maybe even trepidation).
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Gig
And here I’ll show my genes speaking through male emotional logic. Impregnating married women can be great for everyone, if you happen to be the bomb.
Allright, I won’t try to justify it. Why bother, I suppose. Fact is, I’ve felt that desire, and nearly acted on it. The ultimate sneaky fucker move. A georgous little woman with a belly just aching to be filled by you, and a waiting and willing parent to bring it up right. What could be better?
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Def: Well, I can certainly try that! I keep all my thoughts about any men in my life invariably in my head. But I seem to be allowing myself to do it a little, anyway, on people who’re safe to try it on.
I sent an apology text for being late to my Pole medstudent friend in poetic form.
His reply: ‘Will I be needing sedatives when I see you?’
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Bhetti
Good.
It is just that I remember reading on your blog heading that you are “Romance novel reading but not romantic” (close? it has been a while) and that seemed a shame.
My only point was that intellect alone is a thin cold gruel compared to the rich warm tastes of emotion.
[and that is my poetic stuff for the night]
PS
Keep up the flirting because Hope will be watching and learning.
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Above is me.
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