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I Once Banged A Girl Who Was Banged By A Rockstar

May 8, 2009 by CH

A girl with whom I was having a sexual fling (squirter) once challenged me, while we were out together, to pick up a woman sitting at the bar by herself. I suppose the thought of me seducing another woman turned her on. I’ve dated quite a few slutty freaks like her. Naturally, I obliged. Seducing women is why Our Lord Below put me on this good green earth. (I wonder how a beta male would have responded to such a request? “Stop being silly, honeybunny, I’m not going to hit on another woman. That’s just WRONG. I’m with *you* now.”)

Donning my war mask (shit-eating grin and eye twinkle) I sidled up to the statuesque blonde sipping her Guinness. She was around 30, and quite attractive. She had a proudly feminine face of Scandinavian origin and wide, child-birthing hips. Even though she was sitting, I could tell she was very tall, perhaps six feet. Inspired by the jealousy I would provoke in my audience (who was standing only 10 feet away with an unobstructed view of my full-scale assault), I ran some of my tightest game. Blonde warrioress had no chance. She withered into a puddle of warm arousal. Occasionally, I would look over at my date to see how she was reacting (mouth agape) and the blonde would catch me doing this and ask if I knew her. “Yes”, I said, “She’s a friend.” Coast cleared.

I number closed the blonde in fifteen minutes and told her I had to get back to my “friend”. When I strolled back, triumphant, my date didn’t look too happy, but I’m sure she was turned on. I was worried she would attempt to sabotage my chances with the blonde by making out with me right there, so I shuffled us both out of there in a hurry. Later, after a rigorous interrogation, I lied to my date that had I erased the blonde’s phone number. If you’re gonna play a high stakes game, don’t expect the rules to be fair.

A couple days later I took the blonde on a date to my favorite dive bar. We hit it off. Drinks, walking around the park, making out, sliding a hand down her pants and diddling her taint. The only thing I remember her saying was that she once had a two year relationship with Anthony Kiedis. She was a teenager (possibly underage) when she met him backstage at one of his shows. He was bigtime and had just crossed the Pussicon into rockstardom; girls were his for the taking, like so many juicy grapes plucked off the vine.

Intrigued by her admission, I pressed for more details. The thought of her having gotten fucked by Anthony Kiedis inexplicably turned me on. “Wow,” I remember thinking at the time, “I’m gonna bang the same hole that Anthony Kiedis’ supermodel-banging cock has been in. That’s one vulva of separation.”

Turns out that her definition of “relationship” was highly fluid, dependent on the desirablility of the man she was “seeing”. For the typical beta male, “relationship” means “ball and chain”; for a guy like Anthony Kiedis, “relationship” means he continues fucking tons of hot young girls but looks more deeply into your eyes than he does into the eyes of all the other women, thus making everything OK. Which is pretty much how it went between her and him. She was dating him, but would sometimes catch him fooling around at his shows. Despite that, she was never worried that he didn’t love her.

“Why?” I asked.

“Because once he saw me he would immediately drop whichever girls he was kissing and come over to tell me he loved me.”

“I see.”

This was a grown woman saying this.

So two years dating a rockstar and finally they drifted apart. She was divorced (she left a rich lawyer) and had dated other men since, but the only fond memories she had were of Mr. Anthony Kiedis, womanizer extraordinaire who made her heart swell with love when he stopped fucking his groupies for one second to kiss her gently on the cheek. Her ex-husband and ex-lovers may as well have never existed except as feeble also-rans throwing in stark contrast the powerful nostalgic glow of her blood, sugar, sex, magik memories.

On our second date, I drove her home to her cavernous suburban mcmansion and fumbled backwards through the dark into her bedroom, stripping off clothes along the way. I stepped on something rubbery and heard a squeak. Since I was fully turgid and throbbing with urgency, I paid it no heed. In the morning, I woke up first and rubbed my eyes. There were children’s toys littered on the floor.

Nordic Princess woke up. “I guess I should tell you that I have kids.”

“Yeah… interesting. So… how many?”

She replied, sheepishly, “Four.”

“Wow, that’s… impressive. Very, um, active.” I was right about her child-birthing hips.

“They’re with my ex. Two of them are already in school.”

“Uh, huh.”

“Are you OK with that? I was worried you might freak when you found out.”

“Perfectly fine. Kids are great,” I lied.

“They spend a lot of time with my ex-husband. He’s a good father. So don’t worry I’m not searching for a replacement father.”

“No worries!”

We ate breakfast and I kissed her goodbye, promising to give her a call. On the drive home I deleted her number from my phone.

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  1. on May 8, 2009 at 11:33 am Billare

    Skills.

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  2. on May 8, 2009 at 11:35 am Cannon's Canon

    my ex used to tell me she would leave me for Adam Duritz of the Counting Crows… the fucking Counting Crows!

    i would reply that i would leave her for britney spears… or arnold schwarzenegger.

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  3. on May 8, 2009 at 11:43 am Nicole

    So unicorns, or at least white mares with press-on horns get pumped and dumped too.

    Warms my heart. 🙂

    Just kidding. I don’t see how you expected someone with enough of the “something” to hold even the crumbs of attention from a rock star for 2 years at some point in her life, to not have kids by 30. You should have expected that.

    …and keeping it real, you probably did expect it.

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  4. on May 8, 2009 at 11:43 am whiskey

    Ugh. I would not care to share with a rock star. Too much chances of STDs and rockstars are also notorious drug abusers.

    But that kind of puts out there what female sexual behavior is. The woman is 30, on the downside of attractiveness, in a few years she will be far less attractive than she is now, but is not realistic.

    In her minds eye she’s always 17 and hugely desireable. And her only goal is to have a famous guy (Kiedis is not even good looking or particularly talented) as a boyfriend.

    Her kids are likely to witness a parade of steadily declining men in her life, as she gets older and older. The boys will be smacked around and the girls abused, no doubt, while the mother enables. That’s the general run of things.

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  5. on May 8, 2009 at 11:44 am Madras

    I’ve had the pick-up-another-girl-in-front-of-me challange come up before on dates and at times its worked out great, but at others times I have avoided the issue because the challange looked too tough.

    My question is given a nearly impossible looking target (yeah, yeah I know impossible is nothing…but there are honestly some targets that are hard to close out of the blue, right away) what is better: Avoiding the challenge or risking looking like a turned away chump?

    Really isnt the date basically over if you have to walk back to her, hat in hand, a failure?

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  6. on May 8, 2009 at 11:48 am Thursday

    Again totally off topic, but what the hell, we need some Shakespeare every once in a while:

    When I do stare, see how the subject quakes.
    I pardon that man’s life. What was thy cause? Adultery?
    Thou shalt not die: die for adultery! No:
    The wren goes to ‘t, and the small gilded fly
    Does lecher in my sight.
    Let copulation thrive; for Gloucester’s bastard son
    Was kinder to his father than my daughters
    Got ‘tween the lawful sheets.
    To ‘t, luxury, pell-mell! for I lack soldiers.
    Behold yond simpering dame,
    Whose face between her forks presages snow;
    That minces virtue, and does shake the head
    To hear of pleasure’s name;
    The fitchew, nor the soiled horse, goes to ‘t
    With a more riotous appetite.
    Down from the waist they are Centaurs,
    Though women all above:
    But to the girdle do the gods inherit,
    Beneath is all the fiends’;
    There’s hell, there’s darkness, there’s the
    sulphurous pit,
    Burning, scalding, stench, consumption;

    Of course Lear realizes he’s going a little nuts here:

    fie,
    fie, fie! pah, pah! Give me an ounce of civet,
    good apothecary, to sweeten my imagination:
    there’s money for thee.

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  7. on May 8, 2009 at 11:51 am Game in BK

    so are all women evil?
    i am having a hard time understanding this.

    After reading this blog- Mystery and some other blogs- i have set upon a course to become a jerk and a bit of an ass- and to my dismay the shit fucking WORKS!

    Make no mistake i was an uber AFC- weak beta- i got laid here and there- but now since i have taken some of roissys advice i can see that women love confidant assholes! This shit works!

    So all this time i was afraid to pursue women- i was afraid to become sexual, to tease- to pursue women with desire- and now i realize that everything i have been taught is bullshit! I have drive and determatniton so I will go out and face rejection- but I will try and try again- I know men that wont try for sex. They don’t know how to pursue and once they realize that women don’t want a nice guy- they fall into depression. All these good men- these descent men with good hearts ask- “why doesn’t she want me?”
    “why is she going out with that asshole that treats her like shit?”
    “why is this girl telling me that she wishes the guy she fucks was more like me- yet not me- because she will never fuck me?”

    For a long time now i –kinda knew- that women weren’t after nice men- but i had no idea they all wanted Brando like apes from -streetcar named desire-.

    So while I can take some constructive criticisms- I don’t know if I buy into the all women are evil camp.

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  8. on May 8, 2009 at 11:53 am Nicole

    Whiskey says, “In her minds eye she’s always 17 and hugely desireable. And her only goal is to have a famous guy (Kiedis is not even good looking or particularly talented) as a boyfriend.”

    If she’s having casual sex with Roissy, she’s already realistic and scraping the bottom of the barrel in her own eyes.

    You’re talking about a girl who was a groupie of :: cough :: honorable mention in her teens, and married “well” in her 20’s. There’s alot of experience, and probably alot of jadedness under her belt. Roissy was going to be a pump and dump, or at the most, a 5 night stand or drunk dial bitch.

    No doubt, she’ll become the second wife of a 55+ millionaire…unless she truly is the elusive unicorn.

    In which case, y’all should be cursing Roissy for deleting her number. He should have gifted it to a friend to work that wrong number game.

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  9. on May 8, 2009 at 11:56 am Thursday

    Kiedis is not even good looking or particularly talented

    Kiedis has a great body, something women focus on more than men, and has written some amazing songs for the Chili Peppers. See here. Technically he doesn’t have a great voice, but, like Bob Dylan or Billie Holiday, he uses what he has very well.

    That’s one vulva of separation.

    You still have a thing for Heidi Klum, don’t you. Though she definitely ain’t what she used to be. VS should definitely retire her.

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  10. on May 8, 2009 at 11:57 am ironrailsironweights

    So Roissy, in the 0.0000001% chance that this is a true story, did she have a GNP?

    Peter

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  11. on May 8, 2009 at 11:58 am Nicole

    Game in BK, good morning.

    We’re not all evil. We’re just all capable of evil, just like men. Don’t put us on a pedestal, and don’t let us walk over you.

    At first it feels like being an asshole, but once you’re deprogrammed, you realize it’s just not being a wuss just because some humans have vaginas.

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  12. on May 8, 2009 at 12:00 pm metalhaze

    nice…it’s sad you deleted her number, he already has a dad.

    women adore womanizers and rakes (art of seduction)

    cool!

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  13. on May 8, 2009 at 12:02 pm Rabalder

    somewhat off topic

    this is his current wife:

    does not seem that hot to me..

    a five?

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  14. on May 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm Thursday

    a five?

    A seven.

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  15. on May 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm johnnyBoy

    A beta boy would have whined:”But that would be wrooooong,I’m with youuuuuu….’ Ha ha I loved that. But you kind of weirded me out a bit,Sensei,when you looked positively on knowing that a rock star had been in her hole. One word:Eeeeeeeeewwwwwww! Especially a slimey creep like Keidis. I suppose it couldve been worse,it couldve been Rick james!! Great story tho,as I am sure the Nordic goddess cried herself to sleep:”I thought I had found the One….”

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  16. on May 8, 2009 at 12:08 pm Colin Bowel

    I banged some rockstar’s groupie as well, about 2 months after the last time he fucked her. I thought it was cool, because he had to be a rockstar to get the girl I was boning just by being broke-asshole-loser me. However, if you press a lot of girls you’d be surprised how many have fucked “someone famous”. Try asking them when they’re drunk who the most famous guy they’ve ever “met” was.

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  17. on May 8, 2009 at 12:11 pm burke

    The denouement of this story is just classic.

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  18. on May 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm burke

    Five? Seven?!?!

    You guys are fucking stupid or just so beta that you rate her that high.

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  19. on May 8, 2009 at 12:22 pm ATC

    I sidled up to the statuesque blonde sipping her Guinness. She was around 30, and quite attractive…Inspired by the jealousy I would provoke in my audience (who was standing only 10 feet away with an unobstructed view of my full-scale assault).

    OK, so Roissy found the first one-set in history that’s not a tranny? Someone is burying the lede…

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  20. on May 8, 2009 at 12:27 pm roissy

    game in bk:
    so are all women evil?

    only until age 30, after which they can’t afford the price of evil.

    headcase:
    If she’s having casual sex with Roissy, she’s already realistic and scraping the bottom of the barrel in her own eyes.

    you’re confused. no surprise there.

    boring, repetitive dude:
    So Roissy, in the 0.0000001% chance that this is a true story, did she have a GNP?

    there are people intimately familiar with the circumstances of this story, who may or may not read this blog, who could corroborate at least part of it.
    not that i would expect them to. heh.

    johnnyboy:
    But you kind of weirded me out a bit,Sensei,when you looked positively on knowing that a rock star had been in her hole.

    there are facets of me which are beyond the comprehension of mere mortals.

    Great story tho,as I am sure the Nordic goddess cried herself to sleep:”I thought I had found the One….”

    i didn’t want to end it so suddenly, she had a fine pussy indeed and was very intelligent, but i’ve got a rule about entangling myself with mothers — i don’t.

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  21. on May 8, 2009 at 12:28 pm Firepower

    that’s kiedis’ type

    i know he once hit on Ann Coulter during a cross-country flight

    pity he’s had work done

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  22. on May 8, 2009 at 11:32 am Default User

    For a less skilled guy what is the cost to trying, but failing in your seduction of the second woman?

    If you took the first’s challenge but got brushed off (I am sure it happens even the best) are you worse of than blowing off her challenge?

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  23. on May 8, 2009 at 12:35 pm roissy

    that’s kiedis’ type

    funny, the nordic blondie in my story was hotter than kiedis’ current wife, but they share similar looks. perhaps kiedis and i like the same types of women?

    giveitaway giveitaway giveitaway now

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  24. on May 8, 2009 at 12:36 pm sara I

    Anthony Kiedis? Who? That’s nothing. I once turned down a huge name rock star. Who cares?

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  25. on May 8, 2009 at 12:37 pm lurker

    Roissy, well done, although she must’ve been a smoking chick for you to hit on her when she hoevred near 30.

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  26. on May 8, 2009 at 12:38 pm roissy

    I once turned down a huge name rock star.

    courtney love?

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  27. on May 8, 2009 at 12:39 pm doug1

    Thursday–

    a five?

    A seven.

    NO WAY a 7.

    A 6 at best. A low 6, not the cute type. Hell, might be a high 5.

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  28. on May 8, 2009 at 12:40 pm anon3

    anyone wanna take a stab at who it might’ve been?

    i guess either this chick (jamie rishar)

    or this chick (yohanna logan)

    they look nearly identical.

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  29. on May 8, 2009 at 12:41 pm roissy

    she must’ve been a smoking chick for you to hit on her when she hoevred near 30.

    she was past her peak when i met her (early bloomer) but still totally bangable. not every woman goes kaput at 30. i figure 20% or so still rock the goods to inspire my lust.

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  30. on May 8, 2009 at 12:41 pm lurker

    Roissy, any truth to the “About a Boy” hypothesis that single mothers are actually easier to have as booty calls—because they fear fucking up their kids’ minds with attachment issues to strange men, and really only want a man to make them forget their kids, and thus *limit* their time with you to when they want to get banged?

    I know you avoid mothers, so I figure you’re negative, but it seemed to have some logic when I heard it.

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  31. on May 8, 2009 at 12:42 pm Master Dogen

    In another era this woman would have been married to a rock of a man about 8 years her senior by the time she was 20. She would have pumped out about 8 kids, 6 of whom would have survived, and those children would have been the foundation upon which the future of the community was built. She would have found far more fulfillment in building a real family with a man who loved and respected her (because she wasn’t a dirty Keidis-boning whore). The little girls would have been beautiful and bright, observant, kind and friendly. The little boys would have been tough, hard-working, but well-mannered little buggers, all eager to go out in the world to do something real and thus prove themselves worthy.

    And today, she sits alone in a bar by herself, stirring her cosmo, so she can get pump-and-dumped by roissy, while her younger kids are doing watching TMZ and eating go-gurt from a tube.

    PS Ann Coulter = wire hanger

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  32. on May 8, 2009 at 12:42 pm anon

    She’s hot and rich and you didn’t taker her? WTF!! She could have been your sugar mama. If you ever wanted new ass, you could just cheat on her like the rock star.

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  33. on May 8, 2009 at 12:44 pm Master Dogen

    Yeah, I once turned down Aretha Franklin…. She said she wanted to eat me.

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  34. on May 8, 2009 at 12:44 pm gig

    Kiedis has a great body, something women focus on more than men

    and men focus on dominance, when chosing a woman

    besides that, Kiedis has really nice songs. And that AIDS-enhanced body that everyone who uses drugs regularly gets,

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  35. on May 8, 2009 at 12:45 pm lurker

    Ann Coulter, with a little more weight on her and my cock in her mouth (so she can’t talk in that screechy voice) is a secret dream girl.

    Sorry, any woman that right wing and smart and spitfire-ish is hot.

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  36. on May 8, 2009 at 12:46 pm Flashman

    Second ATC. On what planet does one find a rockstar girlfriend caliber woman by herself at a bar? Because I will build a rocket and go there. I guess I have bad karma. A hottie in Adams Morgan, seemingly alone, eyed me and I charmed her in a minute. Then 8(!) guys rolled up — she had come with all of them, co-workers, all in love with her, salting my game (visiting, I was going for the lay). Too typical.

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  37. on May 8, 2009 at 12:47 pm gig

    Master Dogen

    LOL

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  38. on May 8, 2009 at 12:49 pm PA

    So unicorns, or at least white mares with press-on horns get pumped and dumped too.

    What’s with non-Nordic women’s hate/envy of blonde godesses? Even the great Camille Paglia hates them.

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  39. on May 8, 2009 at 12:51 pm roissy

    anon3:
    anyone wanna take a stab at who it might’ve been?

    some of you more enterprising sleuths may be able to dig up a pic of the blonde in my story.

    hint: you’ll have to dig through the kiedis archives, circa late 80s, early 90s. her pic is out there.

    ps it wasn’t either of the two you posted.

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  40. on May 8, 2009 at 12:52 pm PA

    Sorry, any woman that right wing and smart and spitfire-ish is hot

    I agree that being right wing makes a woman hotter. I don’t mean church-lady conservative right wing. I mean fire & brimstone spirited reactionary right wing.

    The other side of the equasion is that when a cute girl reveals herself to be an O-bot or an enthusiastic leftie, it’s such a let-down, erectorally speaking.

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  41. on May 8, 2009 at 12:57 pm sara I

    roissy

    I once turned down a huge name rock star.

    courtney love?

    I’m stuck here with nothing to do and your blog qualifies as nothing.. wink.

    If I tell you who, it will date me, but then you already know I’m OLD. Here’s a clue instead… He’s had four major relationships including three marriages.

    Wife #1 is a model who was in five Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issues.

    LTR was a Bond girl.

    Wife #2 is an actress.

    Wife #3 is a model who was on one cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue and in seven other issues.

    All blonde.

    Go.

    By the way, my boyfriend at the time thought I cheated on him with said rock super star.

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  42. on May 8, 2009 at 12:58 pm lurker

    PA, definitely agreed. 1) She’s probably been entered a lot (left wing girls aren’t exaclty known for their morality); and 2) she’s likely a crowd following moron who’s hooked on feminism/racialism from college and is career-obsessed. Her blind following of the left is merely more cow-like stampeding.

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  43. on May 8, 2009 at 12:58 pm Master Dogen

    PA:

    Yes, too bad those types lately dominate the erectoral college.

    😦

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  44. on May 8, 2009 at 1:00 pm doug1

    only until age 30, after which they can’t afford the price of evil.

    Reading cheating wife blogs, which are legion, leads one to think otherwise. I’ve looked a bit more recently, but looked some a while ago as well.

    In the great majority of cases the bloggers are in their thirties or forties. (Errant Wife is on the young side of this crew at maybe 31.) They often seem to realize their remarriage prospects aren’t any better than their husband and maybe worse, but they’re also bored with same old. Most of the time these cheating blogger’s husbands seem to be higher betas (probably because lower down’s wives are less likely to blog) but some might be lesser alphas that are working long hours etc. Yes they’re usually chasing alpha cock that they couldn’t marry as an older divorcee with kids, but sometimes it seems mainly about new and is lateral.

    I.e. they often seem to think things will be overall worse for them if they’re discovered but they want to cheat anyway and feel feminist entitled to seek to maximize their enjoyment because it’s about time they did something for themselves and such nonsense (as if that’s new).

    PS Most of these women to the extent they indicate seem to have been sluts of one kind or another before marriage.

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  45. on May 8, 2009 at 1:03 pm gig

    so after 30 they go from evil to bitter?

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  46. on May 8, 2009 at 1:04 pm Tommy

    Flashman, thats pretty standard, if you ever meet a hot girl at a happy hour (or really anywhere) – the flock of followers can sometimes be in the double digits and they may all know their place in the pecking order, outsiders are not welcome.

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  47. on May 8, 2009 at 1:05 pm sara I

    THIS Anthony Keidis? Wow, look at the hot chick he’s with!

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  48. on May 8, 2009 at 1:06 pm Francis

    “I mean fire & brimstone spirited reactionary right wing.”

    Some years ago, I spent some quality time with a lovely Croatian girl. Attractive, intelligent and a fanatically committed Croatian nationalist. I’m still in love with her…

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  49. on May 8, 2009 at 1:07 pm sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    gig

    so after 30 they go from evil to bitter?

    Oh absolutely! You can count on it.

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  50. on May 8, 2009 at 1:09 pm sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    sara I can’t get her italics straight today.

    THIS Anthony Keidis? Wow, look at the hot chick he’s with!

    Yeah, I love the bobby pin in the bangs look. Classic.

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  51. on May 8, 2009 at 1:09 pm Master Dogen

    Flashman:

    Love the handle. Those are some seriously great books.

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  52. on May 8, 2009 at 1:09 pm gig

    sara I

    did you turn down G manifesto?

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  53. on May 8, 2009 at 1:11 pm sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    Game in BK

    so are all women evil?
    i am having a hard time understanding this.

    Yes, and now you can stop worrying about it.

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  54. on May 8, 2009 at 1:13 pm The G Manifesto

    “in the 0.0000001% chance that this is a true story”

    What is so unbelievable about it?

    Music cats swoop lots of girls. If you swoop tons of girls also you are bound to cross paths.

    Me?

    I have personally swooped mad girls before and after music cats have.

    And I have defeated plenty of actors, pro-athletes and other “media created” playboys for girls as well.

    In fact, I have mad a career of it.

    – MPM

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  55. on May 8, 2009 at 1:19 pm maurice

    why would an ex-rockstar-groupie be living in the DC suburbs with 4 kids? My bs radar is activated. Maybe the rich lawyer ex brought her here. Not that it’s not a great story. Flashman, in the event she is real, a chick like that might be hanging out in a bar in A-M alone *in order to* be picked up and banged by the likes of Roissy on a night when her kids are with dad. Trying to recreate the excitement of her rockstar-whore days. Gee, she sounds like a wonderful mom.

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  56. on May 8, 2009 at 1:22 pm Rain And

    “If I tell you who, it will date me, but then you already know I’m OLD. Here’s a clue instead… He’s had four major relationships including three marriages.”

    No one cares. And whether you said ‘no’ or not, he obviously left a bigger feeling of importance in you, just by sexually propositioning you, than any committed boyfriend’s love ever did. Thus is the power of celebrity.

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  57. on May 8, 2009 at 1:24 pm The G Manifesto

    maurice

    “why would an ex-rockstar-groupie be living in the DC suburbs with 4 kids?”

    Great question.

    But the answer is they live anywhere. In fact the DC suburbs is a perfect place.

    I would guess the girl lived in LA for for 3 to 5 years, which is the typical LA washing machine cycle (from ages 22-24 to 25-29).

    After getting rinsed, many girls then try to shack up with a decently wealthy professional type like a doctor or lawyer.

    And the cycle continues…

    – MPM

    Good Red Hot Chili Peppers track: Sexy Mexican Maid

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  58. on May 8, 2009 at 1:25 pm Default User

    Madras

    Really isnt the date basically over if you have to walk back to her, hat in hand, a failure?

    Roissy did not answer my similar question, so here is my take.

    Of course you accept the challenge.

    No hat-in-hand if you fail.
    You: walk back smiling nonchalant. Even cool guys strike out.
    Her: [little girl voice] boo hoo you failed
    You: Shrug shoulders. Laugh. Still smiling because you don’t care.

    Either make fun of her childishness or tell her to pick a man because it is her turn.

    Meeting the challenge is the more important thing. Succeeding is cool, and cements your status. I am not sure that failure really kills the deal.

    But we will see what others say.

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  59. on May 8, 2009 at 1:32 pm roissy

    maurice:
    why would an ex-rockstar-groupie be living in the DC suburbs with 4 kids?

    believe me, i thought the same thing when she told me her kiedis story. and she didn’t fit the type either — soft-spoken, intelligent, introspective, conservative dresser.

    then she showed me the old photos of her and kiedis together.

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  60. on May 8, 2009 at 1:34 pm sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    Rain And

    No one cares. And whether you said ‘no’ or not, he obviously left a bigger feeling of importance in you, just by sexually propositioning you, than any committed boyfriend’s love ever did. Thus is the power of celebrity.

    Thanks for the heads up, and yes; turning him down is my one claim to fame and I use it to impress people like roissy who is rather star struck himself; don’t you think? Basically the man was a self absorbed jerk who assumed I would sleep with him because he was a big rock star. As far as I know he slept alone that night or with one of the boys in the band. Who cares? Not me, not you, roissy maybe.

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  61. on May 8, 2009 at 1:35 pm lurker

    The best are russian girls who go apeshit when they hear some liberal talking about how great left wing ism is. These get fewer and fewer as time goes on—and older—but the “you don’t know how crappy it is, you dumb left-wing parasite!” always shocks the parasitic hipster douche.

    And woe be to the leftie who *praises Cuba* or *attacks the U.S. emabrgo*, as is a recurring liberal theme. Ex-commie girls are on the verge of murder at that point—especially Cuban girls.

    And the sex is always better (“gonna outdo those skanky lib bitches”).

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  62. on May 8, 2009 at 1:35 pm gig

    then she showed me the old photos

    what a whore!

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  63. on May 8, 2009 at 1:36 pm roissy

    what a whore!

    i asked to see them. this was my foreplay.

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  64. on May 8, 2009 at 1:37 pm lurker

    sara, he didn’t sleep alone. He simply went out and pointed at another girl. Had good sex, rinse, repeat.

    that women will sleep with such meaningless poptarts is one of the major reasons to hate your gender. Because they’re doing it. In droves.

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  65. on May 8, 2009 at 1:39 pm Default User

    sara I

    Good to see you back after your epiphany.

    When are you going to share that story? It wasn’t that “rock star” guy was it?

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  66. on May 8, 2009 at 1:46 pm gig

    i asked to see them

    in as much as whoreness can be graded, she is now downgraded to lesser whore.

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  67. on May 8, 2009 at 1:47 pm Flashman

    Tommy:

    Yes, absolutely standard, I should have known better (though this was late Friday), but I was blinded by the holy grail of hot chick unaccompanied. The holy grail Roissy found.

    Master Dogan:

    Yes, great books, great character, great picaresques. Criminally obscure here despite their obvious appeal (especially to this crowd).

    maurice:

    I wonder where such a girl would hang out in NYC. Midtown lounges probably, where I rarely venture.

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  68. on May 8, 2009 at 1:52 pm Howard Roark

    I was banging a Brazilian chick in college who claimed to have turned down sexual advances from Bruce Willis. This was back in 2000. Now, at the time, that gave me a sense of pride, but she turned out to be psycho, dropped out of school, hit me in public once. As I look back on it, I bet she either banged Bruce Willis’ brains out in a bathroom stall, like a filthy whore, or completely lied about the whole thing and never even met him. She claimed he hit on her in a club in Boston. As if there are any clubs in Boston.

    I used to work at a law firm where two different secretaries, unbeknownst to each other, were banging the same… wait for it… celebrity magician. Yup, a goddamn prestidigitator. One was a solid 8.5, the other was a 9. Last year I picked up a German girl in the Apple Store who boasted that she had banged Criss Angel when she was 17. Don’t ask me why I know so many girls who have been banging men of magic.

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  69. on May 8, 2009 at 1:53 pm sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    lurker

    that women will sleep with such meaningless poptarts is one of the major reasons to hate your gender. Because they’re doing it. In droves.

    You hate an entire gender because of what some are doing–as you call it in droves? That makes a ton of sense. Why didn’t I think of. Of course now I must hate your entire gender for similar reasons. Wake up.

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  70. on May 8, 2009 at 1:54 pm maurice

    re the right-wing/left-wing thing: if you start talking about politics on a date, you’re already done. It’s a buzzkill – engages logic and argument, not emotions and sexually charged conversation. Steer away from that topic at once – especially in DC where it is so rare for someone to *actually* not give a sh*t about politics. And Ann Coulter is a horrifying hag these days. May have been the queen bee of the right-wing blonde babes of the Gingrich era, but now – way past the wall.

    The Russian girls I used to hang out with in Moscow were generally cynical about politics – but it was already the Wild Capitalist East by that time, and I think your comment (@lurker) is more germaine to refugees from the USSR or Eastern Europe back in that day. I have come across that kind of thing as well, but not for many years.

    Sara – I’ll bite – who was it? But only if you show us a picture of yourself so we can judge his taste in women.

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  71. on May 8, 2009 at 1:55 pm sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    Default User

    When are you going to share that story? It wasn’t that “rock star” guy was it?

    Are you talking about the breakfast date? It came, it went. We’re friends and that’s fine with me. I’m not entirely datable but am becoming more so. I’ve almost stopped cyber snooping my ex. I said almost.

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  72. on May 8, 2009 at 2:02 pm PA

    re the right-wing/left-wing thing: if you start talking about politics on a date, you’re already done.

    You never wanna talk politics on the date, but a girl’s political orientation might come out inadvertantly anyway.

    Like she may gush how “this last election was so historic” or say “I hated that town, it was so boring, nothing but white Christians.”

    This would be a buzzkill for me, though I wouldn’t bite on it. With regret if she was cute and seemed like a nice girl, I’d demote her right there and then to the rank of pump & dump rather than possible relationship.

    But the fanatically right wing Eatern Euro or Flyover US girls? Hot.

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  73. on May 8, 2009 at 2:06 pm DF

    that women will sleep with such meaningless poptarts is one of the major reasons to hate your gender. Because they’re doing it. In droves.

    lurker, I would wager that you haven’t had much success with women have you?

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  74. on May 8, 2009 at 2:09 pm Kick a Bitch

    ahahahahaha! dumb cunt… BOTH of em

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  75. on May 8, 2009 at 2:17 pm PA

    that women will sleep with such meaningless poptarts is one of the major reasons to hate your gender

    A lot of young guys (late teens or early 20s) experience the moment when they realize that girls aren’t sugar & spice. It is a shock to the system, like Keanu’s character waking up in the pod.

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  76. on May 8, 2009 at 2:18 pm Default User

    sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    Are you talking about the breakfast date?

    Copied from my answer on another post

    You left here a while ago claiming an “epiphany.” Some suspected that “epiphany” might have been man (and good for you).

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  77. on May 8, 2009 at 2:18 pm maurice

    let’s take a current left-wing-right-wing example: Miss California. I had the TV on during that annual cow show, as I sometimes do, and I thought she was easily the hottest one and deserved to win. But now she has glommed onto (or been glommed by) the Christian right as a poster girl (heh) for “biblically correct” thinking. This despite the nude pics.

    What would you do on a date with this chick? Could she possibly talk about anything else now? Her mildly socially conservative views appear to have been metastasized by the controversy into her defining trait. Even if she wanted to be sneakily dirty, she couldn’t now because she’s in that media bubble.

    I once dated a girl who was exotically beautiful – half American half Persian. She was smart, warm, vivacious – but a FANATICAL Baha’i. I mean like a nun – it was all she ever thought about. She would give me books on Baha’i to read. Eventually I walked away after a few weeks, because I couldn’t stand it.

    That’s what the right-wing flyover girls are like for me – one-note, unsophisticated, uninteresting.

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  78. on May 8, 2009 at 2:21 pm Nicole

    Roissy, I’m not confused.

    Except in the romantic minds of ugly fatties like me:

    Rock star > cubicle worker.

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  79. on May 8, 2009 at 2:24 pm roissy

    moocow with delusions of sanity:
    Except in the romantic minds of ugly fatties like me:

    true premise.

    Rock star > cubicle worker.

    false premise.

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  80. on May 8, 2009 at 2:31 pm PA

    That’s what the right-wing flyover girls are like for me – one-note, unsophisticated, uninteresting.

    With politics or religion, you’ll always find monomaniacs, and you will find normal people with strong values.

    Agreed on Miss California being “mildly conservative.” It speaks to the insanity of our times, that her vanilla statement on marriage has made her into a symbol of some Reactionary Revival.

    Nevertheless, compared to the other 49 presuemd PC-heads in the pageant, she stands out as above and beyond the pack.

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  81. on May 8, 2009 at 2:35 pm Insane Moocow

    PA asks, “What’s with non-Nordic women’s hate/envy of blonde godesses? Even the great Camille Paglia hates them.”

    I don’t hate them. For some reason this makes them want to hang out with me alot. It’s usually all good until their boyfriend or husband tries to shag me.

    [editor: and then lephrechauns emerged from your breakstones-approved cottage cheese buttocks.]

    Then I become Satan.

    [he’s still there. you’re just sitting on him.]

    I stopped hanging out with non Russian blondes because of this. Russian blondes don’t seem to have this odd entitlement/objectification complex.

    If you don’t objectify the ones who are from cultures wherein the blonde + slender but with a nice rack and junk in the trunk combo is common, then they get weird about it. If you do objectify them, they misinterpret this as being *valued* when they’re younger. When they get older, and no longer conform to the media’s template is when things get interesting. A small fraction of them grow up, and some go brunette. Most become some flavor of cougar.

    So I don’t hate on them. I’m just pointing out that more of a woman’s value to a man depends on the man than the woman. If the guy isn’t ready for a real relationship then he’ll always find something wrong, no matter how pretty or trendy a woman is. There’s no way she can win.

    She’d have been more fortunate that night, to look like me. She’d have avoided adding to her numbers, and getting used by a jerk.

    So sometimes it’s good to be a fat ugly Black woman. No Roissys. The worst I’ve ever encountered is nice guys who dumped me because they didn’t want to make their mommy cry.

    …and one was a year+ stand. The other didn’t want to break up, just to have “an understanding” that I opted out of.

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  82. on May 8, 2009 at 2:37 pm Nicole

    My typing today is teh sux. That should be “objectify the ones who aren’t”…

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  83. on May 8, 2009 at 2:38 pm Sparks123

    If you consider that a dive, you’re more of an SWPL than you think you are.

    [editor: hey, it’s NW DC. what’d ya expect?]

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  84. on May 8, 2009 at 2:39 pm Nicole

    Okay, Roissy…explain exactly why I’m wrong about that.

    What would a gold digging whore with stars in her eyes see in a cubicle worker other than a temporary attention fix when “any dude’ll do”?

    [editor: look up the dictionary definition of “premise” and get back to me.]

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  85. on May 8, 2009 at 2:40 pm gig

    off topic, a short story. Three guys in a line to enter a night club, me(M), my cousin (MC)and his friend (MCF). ages 25, 19, 19

    MCF: look MC, that’s ABC, the hottest girl in [insert expensive private school name] the end of the line

    M: wow, she’s hot. The hottest girl in my time was the GF of the school’s drug dealer

    MCF: this one also.

    M: there is a tradition of [insert expensive private school name] hot girls dating drug dealers

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  86. on May 8, 2009 at 2:43 pm maurice

    @PA -yes, I do give her credit for actually speaking her mind. The other night I met a well-known female blogger who was a former Miss DC (no points for figuring this out) and this topic came up in conversation. She said that pageant contestants are usually advised to basically say nothing, to avoid answering that kind of question in a way that could possibly offend anyone (as if that weren’t already obvious). And she gave California praise for basically ignoring that and saying what she thought. I had to agree. Said blogger was smarter and nicer than I thought she would be – I guess that is about my preconceptions of beauty queens. Or it might also be because her blog tends to stay on the shallowest side of things.

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  87. on May 8, 2009 at 2:46 pm Raving Moocow With Bowlingball Head Issues

    Roissy, maybe you should look it up, and then get back to explaining in what way I was inaccurate.

    [editor: you are making unsubstantiated claims based on zero evidence. that is why you operate from a false premise.]

    I’d seriously like to know how you figure you’re not a step down on the mainstream SMV scale or the gold digging whore scale from a rock star.

    [you have no comprehension of the power of game. probably because no man above the dregs of the gender has bothered to run any gmae on you.]

    Even I’m not that delusional.

    [yes, you are. there are no boyfriends or husbands of hot russian blondes trying to get into your size 600 lycra pants.]

    It would take someone pretty exceptional to see your value over a rock star’s.

    [i’m a pretty exceptional guy.]

    It’s something recovering betas don’t like to hear, but it’s a fact. Whether you like it or not, you do depend to a fair degree, on human kindness to get you in.

    [you’re a very stupid insane behemoth. kindness doesn’t grant access to pussies. desire does. please shoot yourself in the bulbous noggin with an RPG]

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  88. on May 8, 2009 at 2:48 pm Moar

    —That’s what the right-wing flyover girls are like for me – one-note, unsophisticated, uninteresting.—

    More for me.

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  89. on May 8, 2009 at 2:50 pm doug1

    Sara

    Are you talking about the breakfast date? It came, it went. We’re friends and that’s fine with me. I’m not entirely datable but am becoming more so. I’ve almost stopped cyber snooping my ex. I said almost.

    This is touchingly candid and refreshingly balanced, esp. given where you’ve been. Good for you. I’m serious. You always were female in a big way. No mannishness ’bout you. … Billy Joel?

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  90. on May 8, 2009 at 2:53 pm Behemoth, Interrupted

    Roissy, you’re taking advantage of the fact that I don’t name names.

    [editor: you are certifiably insane. pop quiz: who said the following?:

    Anony, most men are hypocrites when it comes to sex, but it’s not unheard of for a guy to “outsource” if something happens to him that he can’t perform. The worry that pops up for these guys is losing the wife. If he doesn’t have that worry, it makes things much easier for him…sort of like with my ex.

    Once we figured out what his problem was, I actually considered and then looked into having myself reproductively neutralized. That means a full hysterectomy and clitorectomy. I’m not a strict monogamist, but the idea of our union possibly being threatened by someone else just because I was horny, was not appealing.

    As it turned out, the ethnic situation here takes care of most of that issue. So he was right not to let me go through with the operations. He told me to find some young virile guy who respected me well enough, and get laid.

    that’s right. you! cuckoo for coco puffs.]

    Perhaps you should consider adopting the same policy.

    [perhaps you should GET OFF MY BLOG! you’re a sight that makes eyes sore.]

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  91. on May 8, 2009 at 3:05 pm Default User

    sara I guilty of harangue-ment

    The problem with epiphanies is that they don’t last.

    Sorry to hear that. Good to have you back (even if we are “nothing”).

    I hope that expiphany does not mean that you are going to go all nicey-nice on us.

    PS What is with the long name? Have you been TeeJayEffed?

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  92. on May 8, 2009 at 3:10 pm sara I

    Sorry to hear that. Good to have you back (even if we are “nothing”).

    We are all nothing or no thing. Nothing personal.

    I hope that expiphany does not mean that you are going to go all nicey-nice on us.

    There is very little chance of that happening here.

    PS What is with the long name? Have you been TeeJayEffed?</i?

    Ya mean TeeJay – A Tool for the Interactive De nition and Execution
    of Function-oriented Tests on Java Objects?

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  93. on May 8, 2009 at 3:18 pm Default User

    Doug1
         Billy Joel?

    Just imagine that was the case which song did he write for Sara?

    Only the Good Die Young? (but only if you mess with Sara)
    Just the Way You Are? (like she would change for Billy)
    You May Be Right? (like he would dare say anything else)
    Uptown girl (don’t believe that stuff about him writing it for some model chick)
    Pressure (I will say no more)
    …

    All in jest of course.

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  94. on May 8, 2009 at 3:23 pm maurice

    Any one but “Honesty” …

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  95. on May 8, 2009 at 3:23 pm Obsidian

    Aside from the unseemly sight of the Roissy-Nicole “exchange”, if one could call it that, I personally don’t see the big deal about the one night stand R had w/this Long Tall Blondie. Seems pretty straightforward to me-its entirely possible that she was there to meet someone to go home with, if so, no big whup. She had fun, he had fun, the end.

    As for the whole rock star part…to each his own, but I’ve never been into trying to get in on Sloppy Seconds, even if “famed”. Its one thing if I didn’t know any better and found out after the fact or something like that, but a scenario like the one described by Roissy? Nah.

    But again, sounds like he had a good time, and I’m never one to knock another Man’s letches.

    Rock On…

    O

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  96. on May 8, 2009 at 3:23 pm roissy

    maurice:
    That’s what the right-wing flyover girls are like for me – one-note, unsophisticated, uninteresting.

    yes, some are like this. i remember banging this southern chick who was very religious. her insular ways grated on me.

    but i’ve found the one-note, unsophisticated, uninteresting label applies equally to the leftie DC chick, whose views on everything from global warming to the second cumming of obama leave me feeling the same way i felt with the bible thumping girl. disappointed.

    any one but honesty.

    yeah, honesty is honestly puke-inducing.

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  97. on May 8, 2009 at 3:24 pm Default User

    Sara of the long name

    Ya mean TeeJay – A Tool for the Interactive De nition and Execution
    of Function-oriented Tests on Java Objects?

    Oh no! Not another techie chick… Or are you making that stuff up?

    I was referring to a certain poster that had his name banned and then his IP banned. That poster still posts here under contrarian.

    [editor: for the record, i never banned TJF/contrarian. i just randomly deleted a bunch of his comments to drive him slowly crazy.]

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  98. on May 8, 2009 at 3:32 pm roissy

    ob:
    Aside from the unseemly sight of the Roissy-Nicole “exchange”,

    requests for seemly exchanges are redirected to cuteoverload.com.

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  99. on May 8, 2009 at 3:36 pm Fantabulous

    on May 8, 2009 at 3:23 pm Obsidian

    Dragon Hoarse, how ya doin? Any evidence evolution has sped up yet for the Bruthas? Keep it real!

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  100. on May 8, 2009 at 3:38 pm maurice

    roissy – yeah, agreed, leftie clone DC chick is the mirror image of flyover christian girl. more educated, maybe, but still BOOOO-RING. Of course, hotness covers up a lot of sins, so many of us would just listen to some predictable twaddle for a while from a dull hottie just to get some twat-tle. But then, move on. I really dug my Persian Bahai girl until I realized I couldn’t stand to listen to it any more.

    I like how in previous posts you noted you can easily game that sterotypical DC girl by challenging her beliefs and ignoring her expectations. Being totally outside the box. I’ve had the chance to act on that recently and it really screws with their heads. More on that would be appreciated – I am sure you have some other examples that we have not seen yet.

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  101. on May 8, 2009 at 3:39 pm lurker

    DF:
    “lurker, I would wager that you haven’t had much success with women have you?”

    —lol. I am not in Roissy or G’s class, but please remember this one little tidbit from a great mind:

    Success with women is more disillusioning than failure.

    End scene.

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  102. on May 8, 2009 at 3:43 pm Obsidian

    Fantasm,
    LOL. That’s good. Not bad for a Whitebread.

    And, actually, in genetic and evolutionary terms, Africans have more capacity for variation along these lines than do Whites. Look it up. You’d be amazed at what you find.

    O

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  103. on May 8, 2009 at 3:48 pm roissy

    FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PEOPLE, PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO ANOTHER RACE THREAD. THANK YOU.

    stretch your horizons a bit.

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  104. on May 8, 2009 at 3:51 pm lurker

    The problem with leftie chicks with rightie is two fold:

    1) Leftie chicks apply politics to every situation, and assume anyone who doesn’t agree with their politics is a moron. Rightie girls, by and large,apply religion or morality, but you’re not likely to think you stupid, just misguided, and do not apply it to non-moral situations.

    2) Lefite chicks don’t have a first step. Inquire on the roots of their beliefs and you’ll find someone relyingon illogic to justify further logic–witness feminism. Righty chicks begin with “God said so,” which isn’t illogical, but a postulate–accept or don;t.

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  105. on May 8, 2009 at 4:02 pm Ovid

    I wonder how many of today’s suburban moms were groupies before their marriage.

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  106. on May 8, 2009 at 4:05 pm doug1

    Default User–

    Just imagine that was the case which song did he write for Sara?

    Thrown out in thought ten secs problem solving mode only from her clues (looking nothing up of course) with nary a care given to anti game. Danger of serious head swelling ensuing and my being declared 100% right!!!!

    Whatevs.

    Droll song list Default. With such strong start, I’m leaving that to you. Carry on.

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  107. on May 8, 2009 at 4:06 pm RF Interference

    “I sidled up to the statuesque blonde sipping her Guinness. She was around 30, and quite attractive…Inspired by the jealousy I would provoke in my audience (who was standing only 10 feet away with an unobstructed view of my full-scale assault).”

    Women drink Guinness? I don’t even see that at the Irish pub I’m a regular at.

    “Ann Coulter, with a little more weight on her and my cock in her mouth (so she can’t talk in that screechy voice) is a secret dream girl.

    Sorry, any woman that right wing and smart and spitfire-ish is hot.

    Adam’s apple…

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  108. on May 8, 2009 at 4:08 pm lurker

    RF:

    1) Don’t klnow what Irish pub you go to, but its probably pretty touristy. Go on a weeknight and you’ll see the “guiness and pretzels” dinner women chug down when money is low.

    2) No Adam’s apple. Liberal hysteria.

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  109. on May 8, 2009 at 4:10 pm lurker

    Ovid, see the movie that continued me down this path to Roissy (though I never actually saw it, just got the gist from commercials and reviews): The Banger Sisters.

    All women are whores. You just need one who’s price is too high for everyone elese to pay.

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  110. on May 8, 2009 at 4:12 pm Thursday

    Sorry, any woman that right wing and smart and spitfire-ish is hot.

    Coulter is a slender blonde with nice hair. That’s close enough to good looking for some guys, but her face is in the 4-5 range.

    That’s not even to mention her mannish lawyer from hell personality. True conservatives like their women to act like women.

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  111. on May 8, 2009 at 4:19 pm lurker

    Thursday, her face is above 4-5. She needs a little weight in her.

    Some guys appreciate a spitfire who yields to them. you’d be surprised how many just want a man to take over them in their personal life.

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  112. on May 8, 2009 at 4:20 pm doug1

    Thursday–

    That’s close enough to good looking for some guys, but her face is in the 4-5 range.

    Yeah but so is that minor league rock star’s current girlfriend, on a second look. Go take one yourself. Androgynous.

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  113. on May 8, 2009 at 4:24 pm Comment_Mirror

    Default_User:

    If you took the first’s challenge but got brushed off (I am sure it happens even the best) are you worse of than blowing off her challenge?

    Well, a lot depends on how YOU react to your failure. Are YOU crushed by it? Do YOU care? When she immediately tests after the failure, do YOU pass?

    A lot of women simply judge the value of you, by how YOU judge the value of you. Or how other women judge the value of you. Or how your guy friend’s judge the value of you.

    Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?

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  114. on May 8, 2009 at 4:27 pm doug1

    PA

    A lot of young guys (late teens or early 20s) experience the moment when they realize that girls aren’t sugar & spice.

    I think there are lots and lots of old guys who still think that’s the way most women naturally are, and would be if there weren’t so many rotten men in the world, including to some extent themselves. After all, that’s what Hollywood says.

    I’m not kidding or exaggerating. It’s pathetic.

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  115. on May 8, 2009 at 4:34 pm lurker

    doug1, damn straight.

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  116. on May 8, 2009 at 4:36 pm lurker

    luckily, we have truth tellers like roissy out here, meaning more and more men are realizing, at younger and younger ages, too, what delicious illogical whores the XXers are.

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  117. on May 8, 2009 at 4:37 pm doug1

    Comment_Mirror–

    A lot of women simply judge the value of you, by how YOU judge the value of you. Or how other women judge the value of you. Or how your guy friend’s judge the value of you.

    Excellent point and oh so true.

    Guys have a hard time fully appreciating this because women are SO much more this way than men. Men tend to develop these ideas or standards and measure things against them.

    Just focus on CM’s first sentence guys. That alone, without the backup choir (as long as one isn’t signing against you), is enough to sway most girls in an ambiguous situation.

    After all, what were the odds of success with any one hot chic? You sacked right up and sauntered over to give it a crack.

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  118. on May 8, 2009 at 4:40 pm Ovid

    “Ovid, see the movie that continued me down this path to Roissy (though I never actually saw it, just got the gist from commercials and reviews): The Banger Sisters.

    All women are whores. You just need one who’s price is too high for everyone elese to pay.

    When I was a kid I used to clean out garages,basements and attics for pin money.One day I came accross a stack,and I mean A STACK,of old swing magazines.I stold them.When I saw the ads and pictures of these mostly middle-aged middle-class “moms-next-door” I was shocked.A true eye opener.

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  119. on May 8, 2009 at 4:55 pm Virgin@40

    Well, kind of a good post. And it shows how women are in relation to the alphatude and betatude of the men they encounter romantically.

    HOWEVER, I’D LIKE TO HIGHJACK THIS THREAD. (capitals are just to enforce the notion that I want attention like a girly attention-whore)

    I have a problem. It’s Friday now. It will be a long and quiet home Friday. Last Thursday I went on a day to the beach with the boys: X and Z. Men from my group of friends who are fucked with girls. Group of friends:
    X loved 7 and was in a relationship with her for two years. X is rather wealthy. It happens that X’s mother died and his family “parted ways”. 7 went to college and X did not. Obviously, and because 7 is a feminist educated by a divorced mother who has many academia diplomas but has to live depending on social assistance she dumped X. X is not a virgin like me, he likes to fuck. Although he’s also stupid enough to belive that he’d marry 7 or something. X never went after girls after 7 but he has had at least 2 great oportunities to screw 5s and 6s, maybe even hotters.
    Z believes he loves 6. 6 has been his best friend. He’s been the 6’s puppy for some years. Although they got very well, she soon LJBFed him. Now, she missed Z’s birthday just because, although 6 and Z both knew all Z wanted was for her to be there. Just to be present. Now, 6 has a “boyfriend”. She also tells us in Z’s face that “it’s nothing serious, its just for fun” while she LJBFed Z and they truly were kind of best friends.
    And then there was I and my ten, but I soon realised I’d be doomed to love her and suffer so that nobody knows (well, they kind of do, but still, it’s if they did not).

    The group is fucked in many ways…

    So, Thursday, the boys went to the beach.
    Tomorrow is Saturday. Tomorrow is the day for all the group to go to the beach. Actually, 7 and 6 will go, as probibly will my ten and I (she says she’ll go, I told her the most probable was that nothing would happen because 6 haven’t told us much about where and when for us to meet). Z may go. X will not go. X is the more alpha, obviously.

    The thing is that the group may include even more people. And I have also noticed that beach is a very bad place to game or pretend to be alpha, mainly due to:
    – Me not being able to swim;
    – Me having acne in my upper back and shoulders
    – Me not being very muscular: 143 lbs predisposed over 6 feet of hight.
    – Great fucking competition. Too many other guys.

    Not to mention my usual betaness.

    Well, I wonder what I should do not to drop vallue in my ten’s eyes.
    I am thinking I will try to do mainly two things:
    1) Don’t talk much (which I do, especially shit that nobody wants to hear) and be incisive when I open my mouth, in order to make everything I say to have more impact (pretty alpha, learned here).
    2) Be the funny friend. Be the funniest guy there, especially to my ten’s eyes.
    What more would you people advise me to do?

    I also hope not to get too excited if she asks me to put suncream on her delicate and sensitive back – I estimate there is a 15% chance of that to happen – espcecially now that I’ve not expelled my testosterone for long and have had very few to none contact with girls.

    Another problem is that I fear my ten will be aproached by someone else because she’ll be there without her boyfriend and probabily without any of us to show that she is a girl *of the* group, who’s with us.
    What should I do to send away any potential competition (more alpha than me, probabily in many ways) who tries to get in touch with my ten?? Any help?

    Also. Probabily there will be a guy who we don’t see for a long time and who’se favourite game is to AMOG me. I’m kind of scared because although my ten has not seen them all for the same lenghty months. This guy has seen us although he has not seen my ten. I’m afraid he’ll focus on her, saying he’s been away for so long and stuff. How can I make him step back if he comes up with something like this?
    His strenghts are my weakness:
    – He is a swimming champion
    – He’s a soft, clear and dark skin (he’s white, although naturally very dark. Add to that a premanent strong tan)
    – He’s very muscular.
    This guy – let’s call him A – likes people with pussy. Everything that is in a skirt is awesome to him. There was a time when he wanted to fuck my ten and said how great and awesome she was. He actually asked her if she’d like him. She said: “well… no.”. He’ll not fuck her or flirt with her. It’s just that he’ll probabily steal the attention. And maybe drop my vallue in the ten’s eyes by AMOGing me.
    What can I do to “control” this guy?

    What can I do, in this whole situation? I really need some clues, people.

    (for those of you who think you shall not answer because I have a oneitis, remember that being freind with my ten can open the doors to very, very hot girls. Give me some clues…)

    I am clueless and need urgent helo. Anyone? Roissy?

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  120. on May 8, 2009 at 5:03 pm Chuck

    i would have fucked her good a few more times until she told me i was a better lay than kiedis, then i’d disseminate that story to a few choice friends and let word of mouth do its work…actually, this may not work in DC, but it would work where i live.

    drinking from the trough of other alphas provides more social proof that you’re alpha, and alpha is a turn-on for men and women alike.

    also, i wouldn’t have overlooked the hilarity of trapsing through her house with a sock adorning my cock.

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  121. on May 8, 2009 at 5:08 pm maurice

    Clueless? Ya don’t say.

    I wouldn’t be the funny friend – silent is better.

    Come up with a script, a set of stories or activities, that will capture and lead her imagination. You have to know what she likes. Maybe a side outing to a cool bar or activity (museum, film, bookstore, concert, etc. – whatever she likes and you would enjoy as well). Have some good stories to tell about yourself that are congruent with these activities that showcase your good qualities and values – but in an understated way. DHV. But lead – have a plan and act/move on it at all times. And kino – touch in a playful and supporting way (not sexual yet) early and often.

    Don’t call attention to the acne.

    DLV the AMOG. Come up with some funny cuts to lower his value if he comes on to your girl.

    And – later – go to the gym once in a while!

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  122. on May 8, 2009 at 5:15 pm PA

    Re. being where a rock star has been — one possible thought is that the rock star, exhausted from touring and damaged from boozing and heroin, wasn’t much of a stud in the sack.

    The Doors drummer John Densmore writes in his autobiography about many occasions is which Jim Morisson wasn’t up to the task with his many grouppies.

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  123. on May 8, 2009 at 5:22 pm Obsidian

    Virgin40,
    OK.

    Here’s how you’re gonna handle it:

    1. Take the “fight” to the AMOG dude. Don’t wait for him to do it to you and land the first punch, so to speak-you be the one to step into him, get his hand, give it a firm, confident shake, grip his elbow, and guide him a bit. Politicians and the like do this a lot, watch archival footage of various ones on YouTube, you’ll see what I mean. Whenever possible, lead the conversation, or, failing that, whe you respond to him, “flip it back” on him by asking questions. Always remember-he who asks the questions, controls the conversation. Appearing adroit and on your feet will go long ways toward cooling things out. You already know this guy’s MO, so you have the upperhand. You also have the Ten, you’re king of the hill-its yours to lose. He stil has to climb up the hil to take it. Keep him off balance by first coming all the way over to you in the most secluded part of the beach, then by getting him to respond to you. Only when he straightup tries a blatant asshole move do you respond cooly w/a bit of cocky funny humor-NEVER LOSE YOUR COOL-your girl will love you even more for that.

    2. Stay calm. Know the lay of the land. If you don’t want to be “crowded out” what parts of the beach are less busy? Are they accessible? When? Take your gal there. Don’t ask her either, just do it. If she asks, tell her you don’t like crowds.

    3. About the acne on the back & being skinny, no problemo-wear a t-shirt along w/your shorts. You aint swinning anyway, so don’t sweat it. You got height, use it. Try to wear colors that look good on you and that make the most of your height.

    4. As for your homeboys-they tag along provided they both got girls, otherwise, its a no go, and they ought to know that anyway. Women don’t like third wheel type stuff, especially if its a guy. Creeps them out, unless they stone cold freaks that’s down with pullin a train. They also gotta follow your lead since you already got a bead on a hot chic and they don’t. Since Women are herd thinking anyway, if you lead right, the other guys will follow you, which means your Woman will follow you, and that means, that the other girls should follow her. Hopefully, everyone gets laid, or at least some strong heavy petting. Beats a blank.

    5. Yea, keep the words you speak to a minimum, even when dealing w/Speedo AMOG-try to form your questions as clearly and make them as crisp as possible, don’t look like your forcing it. Same deal w/your overall convo. Don’t look afraid or nervous in any way, you should be relaxed and calm, remember you aint done nothing wrong, what’s the problem?

    Good luck soldier. Lookin foward to your report on Sunay.

    The Obsidian

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  124. on May 8, 2009 at 5:26 pm Laz

    Your best bet is to kill yourself.

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  125. on May 8, 2009 at 5:32 pm Obsidian

    PA,
    As you know, I’ve studied the Doors quite a bit, and by all that I’ve read about Morrison he was basically impotent as a result of his hard drinking lifestyle. In fact, it was his account that did it for me when it came to alcohol-you can’t pay me enough to touch the stuff, same deal w/drugs or even smoking. I like getting strong, consistent Wood. Drugs and drink kills that. Ask Jim.

    O

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  126. on May 8, 2009 at 5:37 pm The G Manifesto

    Virgin@40,

    Can you surf?

    Pulling into a barrel or busting a sick air in some grinding beachbreak is a sure way to trump the guy.

    Do you puff weed?

    A “one-handed” joint roll on the beach is a smooth move as well with the Chron.

    If not, you could bring some snacks to the beach and give the guy the poisoned sandwich.

    If all else fails, make friends with the heaviest local on the beach and tell him that the guy you are competing with plans on taking over.

    – MPM

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  127. on May 8, 2009 at 6:06 pm Virgin@40

    Thank you for your answer Maurice, I’m really clueless and it will take place in what? Less than 10 hours?
    Thank you because you’ve made some good points. I was unaware of the DVL/desqualification/DHV thing, although it is damn simple and obvious. I have to study it more.
    One question:
    How do I kino softly and without much noticing if I rarely do it and she’s in bikini. What part of her body would be more “aproachable”?
    As I know her, the feet, probabily? Hm…

    Well, people, I need help: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/i-once-banged-a-girl-who-was-banged-by-a-rockstar/#comment-77006
    this is my gameless situation!

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  128. on May 8, 2009 at 6:18 pm Mr.M

    Virgin –

    first off, you’re already over thinking this whole ordeal. you’re thinking your way into failure.

    seriously, go to the beach, have a good time on your own. your 10 should not have any affect on your experience. the moment you realize that you don’t need 10’s pussy/attention/whatever, and act accordingly, she’ll want your attention.

    i disagree with O in the sense that you should “confront” your AMOG-man. fuck that. turn your back and go have fun elsewhere instead of smothering your 10 (and, i guarantee you will come across as this because of the way you’re already over analyzing the day).

    learn how to surf. bodyboard. bodysurf. skimboard. swim. anything. nothing screams boring (to me) than sitting on a beach chit-chatting.

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  129. on May 8, 2009 at 6:19 pm ironrailsironweights

    Dinner’s ready!

    Peter

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  130. on May 8, 2009 at 6:20 pm Default User

    Doug1

    Droll song list Default. With such strong start, I’m leaving that to you. Carry on.

    I spent about fifty seconds longer than you and that is more than enough.

    Not that Sara is really that bad anyway.

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  131. on May 8, 2009 at 6:20 pm Virgin@40

    Fuck G!!!

    “Can you surf?”

    The one who surfs is the ten’s boyfriend. One of my recent conversations online with her was about me telling her how efimenate and almost gayish, lacking men instincts “sports” like surf and skate are. Especially in relation to Football, Soccer or Rugby, sports I’ll try to practice next year. That’s a man thing. )I also do Judo, some weeks. Very manly…) She defended the boyfriend, but agreed with me in some things. The best is that she spent some 45 minutes having a pleasing conversation with me about it (on line though: bah!).

    And recently: I told her online that all her photos were very bad because none would benefit her but one that I praised. Although the conversation was online, I could tell she was surprised with me putting her down.
    The result? She had said she’d go away, we stop chatting for ten minutes and, because she continued on line, I said that about the photo. She has since then putted that photo as the main one (and the photo isn’t that great… eh eh eh).
    Damn, that works!!!

    But come on G, how could have you had me to remember her boyfriend… jeez man… the only guy who has – probabily – spent some time between her legs… my ten’s legs… jeez…

    “If not, you could bring some snacks to the beach and give the guy the poisoned sandwich.”

    Man, with that, you’re forgiven… That’s good, that’s good…

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  132. on May 8, 2009 at 6:23 pm Mr.M

    wtf – can we get a NSFW warning to that kinda shit.

    how about a NSF-LIFE warning.

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  133. on May 8, 2009 at 6:34 pm The G Manifesto

    “One of my recent conversations online with her was about me telling her how efimenate and almost gayish, lacking men instincts “sports” like surf and skate are.”

    Reconsider:

    – MPM

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  134. on May 8, 2009 at 6:36 pm Virgin@40

    Once more, thank you very much O.
    Although I think that is too much optimistic, you’ve the whole thing there, and the right strategics as well.

    About the AMOG. Well… his father recently left home. He’s fucked. And we don’t see eachother for a long time.
    I haven’t seen him for months and I was terrifyed the last time I saw him: He has had many flaws but I considered him a somewhat close and nice friend. The thing is, the day before I had met with my ten who… well… is a girl. And is a ten, so I thought would not be all that interested in me.
    The fact is that, alone or with one of my friends, we spent five hours together, and I found it great (she found it less than great, but somewhat good).

    Then, the day after, I went to a dinner with that friend of mine who I had not seen for long. I was shocked that after five minutes I couldn’t stand him any longer. I feel sorry for that.

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  135. on May 8, 2009 at 6:48 pm Tupac Chopra

    G:

    Nice clips. That Nokandui tube was beautiful.

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  136. on May 8, 2009 at 6:53 pm Bhetti

    You guys still don’t get it:
    Sugar and spice
    ISN’T everything nice
    Because it can give you
    Obesity
    and worsen your ulcer

    Sweet, fiery, bad for you, cavities. You think that was going to go down like a bland piece of toast?

    It was right in front of you and you chose to believe it — that you can get it all without a price — because you wanted it to be true.

    Then some rationalise that simply because it was bad for you, it wasn’t worth it and it didn’t actually taste good in the first place.

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  137. on May 8, 2009 at 6:53 pm Virgin@40

    “learn how to surf. bodyboard. bodysurf. skimboard. swim. anything. nothing screams boring (to me) than sitting on a beach chit-chatting.”

    Agreed. All the fun is in the watter. And thus go to the watter. I just can’t go too far, or be too confident. In X’s (somewhat rich, higher middle class friend) home, it was the ten who had to push me into the water… that bitch…
    What I liked the most in that day? Well, appart for me being spotted completly naked in X’s kitchen, eating strowberies, that AMOG spotted me. It was the ten, coming in a white bikini to us in the pool and then going back after AMOG had sayed some ten times in ten seconds how hot/great/stupendous she was.

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  138. on May 8, 2009 at 7:00 pm Virgin@40

    G, my comment to you did not appear:

    The thing is, her boyfriend does not surf those waves.
    Those you posted are great man who love surf and I do admire them.

    But the ones I hate are the ones who are there just because it’s “fashionable” and who have a life style and a philosophy that only makes me want to kick their asses.
    Shawrznegger would call them girly-man as well.

    Thank you all guys! I’ll then report on Sunday O.

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  139. on May 8, 2009 at 7:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    On surfing got to be manly playing with the unknown.
    Biggest fear getting eaten by a shark. So was nothing like going out and swimming 3 miles out into the ocean. Eaten by a shark would suck. Think of bragging rights from just getting a flesh wound. Had a bunch of kids with so I kind of positioned myself so that I could survey area. (also a dream to attack a shark) Woman was watching from boat he he he
    I like to think of various reactions I would have in various situations and then follow through.

    “”””””””””Roissy,
    We ate breakfast and I kissed her goodbye, promising to give her a call. On the drive home I deleted her number from my phone.””””””””””””””

    Dam if you could learn to use these contacts there would be nothing you couldn’t achieve.

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  140. on May 8, 2009 at 7:08 pm Default User

    Virgin@40

    Opinions will vary on this, but consider a shirt not a t-shirt. Roll the sleeves part way up your forearm. With shorts it can look casually and dressy. It will certainly stand out from the hordes of crappy t-shirts and it covers your back.

    What is important to your girl? The swimming champion may not be as important to her.

    Regarding AMOGing:
    If stuck you can get away with the “what the fuck look.” It can work just as well as a smart comeback and can make him look assholeish.

    If he grabs or pushes you, a simple but firm “hey!” and an annoyed or bemused look. Firmly lift his hand of you. Again the unspoken message is you are not upset just wondering why he is acting like an idiot.

    Example:
    He says: “How’s it going skinny boy?” [or anything designed to upset or belittle you.]
    Don’t look offended instead look bemused. Your look says “Why would an adult try that crap?”

    If you want, you can [in your best childish voice] repeat his jab and ask “Are we back in grade school?”
    Again the unspoken message is you don’t care other than he is making a prick of himself.

    Make him bore the rest (I have heard this AMOG tactic mentioned. I am not sure)
    You can ask about his workout (you said he looks fit). With luck he will tell you about his hours in the gym all while boring the women and making them wonder if he is a bit…well you know.

    Main thing is. Don’t over think this (like I did). Have a good time. Good luck.

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  141. on May 8, 2009 at 7:09 pm Default User

    Apologies for screwed up italics above.

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  142. on May 8, 2009 at 7:15 pm Default User

    Comment_Mirror

    A lot of women simply judge the value of you, by how YOU judge the value of you.

    That was what I figured. I gave up and answered my own question.

    Excellent advice in the quoted part. Every man should understand that.

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  143. on May 8, 2009 at 7:17 pm Default User

    Virgin@40

    A lot of women simply judge the value of you, by how YOU judge the value of you.

    I am repeating Comment_Mirror’s comment above in case you missed it. Understand that and you are well on your way.

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  144. on May 8, 2009 at 7:35 pm The G Manifesto

    Virgin@40

    “But the ones I hate are the ones who are there just because it’s “fashionable”

    Don’t we all.

    I am out. To swoop a fly Colombian girl.

    – MPM

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  145. on May 8, 2009 at 7:47 pm Virgin@40

    Default User,

    That comment mirror (?) is one of the “ugly truths” I’ve come to realise here in this blog. Inner Game’s first.

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  146. on May 8, 2009 at 7:51 pm Kamal S.

    Theirs is someone for everyone, but it is possible to lack a sense of proportions. It is beyond me how someone could actually find an aged, loud mouthed, slightly Manish, and unfeminine broad, like Ann Coulter, to be Hot.

    Coulter is physically attractive…

    ..when compared to other woman pushing 50.

    Madonna is hotter, and while I despise her persona (what’s the retiring age for whores?) I admit, at least, her physical beauty. This is fair and just. Is Coulter more attractive than Cokie Roberts? Yes, but reflect on what exactly this says.

    Beyond being ok to look at, Coulter is blond, and has angular features reflecting the high testosterone of a lawyer feme. She’s probably wild in bed once properly dominated and subdued, and as she receives my manhood deep and firmly, she will look particularly handsome under candle light… It is entirely possible I might escape the fate of her biting my head off in mid coitus.

    Is this “hot”? To some, perhaps…. But not .. to .. others.

    At work a few guys comment on Coulter’s perceived hotness, they tend to be in love with her perspective, and her ability to articulate her perspective. I respect their lust and appreciation of this woman, but I disagree with them with respect, just as I can disagree with men who find Cokie Roberts to be the epitome of mature female attractiveness (and such men do exist).

    Coulter’s a trash talking cougar ideologue, full stop.
    I have no problem dating aging lawyers all day long, nor have I a problem with cougars. I actually find women over 40 to have a certain attractive seasoned sensuality. But millions of cougars are more attractive than Coulter on a good day. Cute little crows feet, acidic wit, and all.

    Would I refrain from her femininity if offered? No. I am a man, of principle but a man all the same. But if I ran into Coulter and Carrie Fisher in a bar, I’d spend most of my time trying to get into Carrie Fisher’s pants… Princess Lea’s hot, even at 55.

    Debbie Harry’s a cutie too, and she’s pushing 60. I would try to get in Debbie Harry’s pants, and not just for bragging rights. She’s the hottest aging female rock star in her age bracket.

    You are not your politics.
    Is it is a mark of immaturity to actually invest large portions of one’s identity into one’s political leanings and ideologies, much less than those of one’s sexual partners?

    Why should I care if the women in my life are left or right wing? Leftism is a feminine political perspective anyway, centering around compassion and nurturing. Hence the nanny welfare state. I expect broads to be further left than I am. And for either Leftie or Rightie ones, I expect my nuanced, actually thought-out, political views to go over their NPR or Fox News cultivated heads. I can articulate disagreement with them, in a way that is classy, gentlemanly, and leaves no ambiguity as to where I stand. I can engage them in discourse, and articulate my views to degrees that sometimes even allows them to see my point. Those few who are delightfully capable of discussing politics in depth with me, on a reasonable level, find I value their freedom to differ with me. And I enjoy exposure to another way of thinking, while sharpening my conversational skills. I try to cultivate a maturity allowing me to take the differing opinions of others and weigh them with wisdom, while confidently holding to what I know to be truth.

    Talking politics prior to coitus is a fau pas anyway.

    Adult men should know how to hold our own counsel, and have our own views, without needing others to agree.

    Needing others to agree with us is a form of supplication.
    If a feme agrees with me, then whoopee, and if she disagrees with me, then well, whoopee. Either way, discussing ideas with intelligent women who may disagree with me can show areas of the truth where both of us have misunderstood matters.

    Coulter is an ideologue, seemingly incapable of discourse beyond pontification, which is a turn off irrespective of whether I may happen to agree with some of her pontification it is a turn off. She’s the right wing equivalent of someone like Gloria Steinem. I could bang both of them..

    … with a sock shoved in their mouths..
    Both are handsome, for women of a certain age. I’d rather not listen to either of their simplistic ideological drivel, and the notion of being attracted to them based on their views strikes me as rather, what people round about here tend to call, Beta. Girlish.

    Or as my dad would say “that’s just weak, son.”

    Weak. A word that hits home harder than “beta”.

    Any man who expects his woman to toe his political line does not understand the mental world of women.

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  147. on May 8, 2009 at 7:51 pm Bhetti

    A man leads in all:
    “I don’t deserve you.”
    “Yeah, you’re right.”

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  148. on May 8, 2009 at 8:19 pm Kamal S.

    Virgin; Obsidian’s advice was spot-on.

    Something else though, take up kettlebells. I lie to you not, it tends to increase testosterone which, I’ve noticed, just tends to make a man naturally be able to handle these sort of “amoging” situations better. Calling people’s bluff in an almost non challant way.

    Eat eggs too. Protein too help rebuild your body from swinging heavy iron balls around, if you have a skinny frame it may help you to become more wiry.

    Learning to handle a heavy ball of iron with a rough cast handle tends to convey a sort of inner confidence that makes one almost aristocratically annoyed with the monkey like displays of lesser men. I mean, a man may be annoyed by the sight of monkeys flinging poo at him, but he will realize they are monkeys and perhaps be a bit indulgent, indeed perhaps they may amuse him.

    I found out by accident that swinging kettlebells did this to me… Some how.
    Then when I started doing deadlifts at the gym, I felt different in my skin. Alive, almost kingly. Amused by the idiocy of men I considered lesser. Almost a bit cocky. It is hard to describe.

    So Deadlift, watch the shoulders, but learn GOOD form (back straight, clinch your gluteus, hold your gut like you were about to take a punch, not suck it in but tense it) and Deadlift heavy weights maybe 3 or 4 times a week. There are plenty of videos on youtube showing technique.

    Avoid soy protein. Estrogen like compounds lurk therein. You have been warned good man.

    On kettlebells, give them a shot, start with one set of 10 swings, and 10 snatches (with both hands) for a week until the motion is familiar to you, then two sets of ten, then two sets of 20.

    If your shoulders feel bad STOP, and listen to it, then go back to it but his time do two handed swings and snatches.

    Work up to 3 or 4 sets, do not train to failure, do not give yourself a heart attack, listen to your body. After a bit this, and your natural lusty male instincts will give you a sort of .. high. Your body will gradually start to iron out, sometimes more quickly than you would imagine. And you will have a testosterone boost.

    Finally add pushups, like knuckle ones and pyramid ones. They build punching power.

    And finally find an inner sense of calm and peace, quiet your mind, and be cool.

    So the next time that someone tries to psych you out, just smile, and make some flippant slightly sarcastic remark. Be cool, be controlled, and look them in the eye with a steel gaze, smile for a moment and then the gaze, “hey bro, chill, it’s all good.”

    The weights will tend to build up an inner fire inside of you, it is difficult to describe, but once you experience it. You experience it.
    Irrelevant note: Damn, wish I could surf… it figures the resident G would know how..

    Another irrelevant note, on Jim Morrison and the doors. Interesting reading herein

    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/155794-Inside-The-LC-The-Strange-but-Mostly-True-Story-of-Laurel-Canyon-and-the-Birth-of-the-Hippie-Generation-Part-1

    http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html

    Whether it is all b.s. or has some real truth to it, I do not know. I like to expose myself to as many different ideas as possible. the world’s an interesting place, I like to see multiple takes on it.

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  149. on May 8, 2009 at 8:38 pm frank

    You don’t involve yourself with mothers? This sounds like a something more than a mere prudential principle. It sounds almost like a moral rule…

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  150. on May 8, 2009 at 9:19 pm z in all his evil malice.......

    This story made me fucking sick.

    That cunt has a McMansion, probably doesn’t work, all of it paid for by some guy she duped into thinking that she loved him. 4 kids is 41% of your pre-tax income in my state. If that lawyer pulls 250K a year, this fucking hole is making about 110K a year or thereabouts, plus whatever alimony they gave her.

    All because her goddamned womb is functional.

    I bet the ex has the kids “all the time” while she gets to go out and chase new men “all the time”.

    Know what the real problem is between the sexes MEN?

    Do you really want to know whats up?

    Here it is: Children have been taken away from men by the state. Men cannot have their children without women, no matter what a slut/drug addict/cheat/felon/useless zombie she might end up being. Modern law has deemed that children belong to the mother in damn near every circumstance, with almost no exceptions. If he has the kids half the time, why the fuck is she “entitled” to anything at ALL? She no doubt left HIM? A man cannot have children without risking his financial life with a woman, but any woman above a 4 can go out to bar after bar night after night until she gets pregnant and have offspring. A man literally has to risk his financial life, the next 18 years of his earnings, and half of his retirement to get to have offspring. He has to say “I do” to some chick who will look like shit in less than a decade to have two kids, that can be taken away from him at any time for piddling reasons.

    This whore doesn’t live “independently”, the state is her pimp and the state uses force to collect from some schmuck who was stupid enough to believe her lies to him. There she is, sitting around bars getting picked up night after night (probably at least twice a week), while some hard-working guy is footing the bill.

    Several of my friends, GREAT guys, very alpha guys (former football players and wrestlers, hunters, sportsmen, real manly men), have been through shit just like this. A couple of them put their wives through college, just to see them leave them for another man when they graduated, and take their kids with them…………….to be “weekend” dads thereafter, footing the bill for their ex’s to live like hippies indulging in shit like “swinging” and drugs and “travelling” lifestyles. Two of them even got the house. It makes me sick.

    Just imagine if the roles were reversed, and society legally gave the man the kids no questions asked and told the women that they had to pay the man 30-40 percent of her income, so he could go out night after night and pick up new pussy after work for a life of “excitement” because his loving ex-wife “just didn’t understand me”, and “we no longer had that connection”, and “she’s just too distant”, and “she just wasn’t giving me the companionship and emotional support I needed”, but “Amy” did, so Your Honor I’d like to request 1 thousand a month and the house and for her to pay off my car, and half her IRA so I can lead the fufilling life I deserve. After all your honor, the court-appointed therapist told me, “you have a right to make yourself happy”. Your honor, I have a right to make myself happy, and I can only be happy if you make her pay me a grand a month, give me the house, her car, and half her retirement (oh and by the way, I want all the furniture and TV’s and cutlery and silverware, and art, and the dog too).

    I hope that cunt gets picked up by a serial killer.

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  151. on May 8, 2009 at 9:53 pm novaseeker

    Several of my friends, GREAT guys, very alpha guys (former football players and wrestlers, hunters, sportsmen, real manly men), have been through shit just like this. A couple of them put their wives through college, just to see them leave them for another man when they graduated, and take their kids with them…………….to be “weekend” dads thereafter, footing the bill for their ex’s to live like hippies indulging in shit like “swinging” and drugs and “travelling” lifestyles. Two of them even got the house. It makes me sick.

    Yep.

    Marriage is a completely horrible raw deal for men right now. Smart ones avoid it like the plague. The law isn’t changing anytime soon, because women like it very much just the way it is — so avoid marriage *and* avoid cohabiting (laws around that are almost as bad in most states) and above all avoid having children. Also control your DNA — there have been court cases where women have inseminated themselves from used condoms in the waste basket beside the bed or offered to flish the condom and instead went into the bathroom and inseminated themselves with it … and the courts found the men liable for child support.

    Be careful out there.

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  152. on May 8, 2009 at 9:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””on May 8, 2009 at 9:19 pm z in all his evil malice…….
    I hope that cunt gets picked up by a serial killer.”””””””””

    Well I guess there could be a lot of new and unthought of jobs created from all this for an enterprizing young man.

    LoL

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  153. on May 8, 2009 at 10:49 pm Potato

    Coulter was much hotter when she was in her 30s.

    Right-wing women are beautiful, while left-wing women are ugly. This picture shows it.

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  154. on May 8, 2009 at 10:58 pm novaseeker

    Right wing tends to attract prettier women because more alpha men are right wing.

    But right wing is just as feminist as left wing, at the end of the day. The right wing has done nothing for men, and has advanced feminism quite a bit.

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  155. on May 9, 2009 at 12:33 am Jack

    “z” is correct. That woman you fucked is complete trash of large proportions. Women should be judged by different standards based on their advantages and opportunities. This woman was tall, hot, blonde, intelligent, had lots going for her. She should have had the sense and morals to only fuck men she was dating long-term. She became a ho by fucking some druggie rockstar for two years, which for me anyway, would be a huge turnoff. She then married a lawyer, had FOUR fucking kids with him (I hope he made sure they were really his), and then got divorced. What kind of woman gets divorced with FOUR KIDS? A tramp, that’s who…she was willing to scar four kids for life. She’s living off her ex’s income, got him out of the house so she can bang other men, has her random bar fuck kicking her kids’ rubber toys as he rips her clothes off.

    If this were an average woman, this would be sad. But it’s much more sad from someone with her blessings. She uses her attractiveness and intelligence to spread her legs for drug addicts and soullessly break up her family. In the revolution, scum like her will be imprisoned and tortured.

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  156. on May 9, 2009 at 1:11 am RF Interference

    Lurker wrote:

    “1) Don’t klnow what Irish pub you go to, but its probably pretty touristy. Go on a weeknight and you’ll see the “guiness and pretzels” dinner women chug down when money is low.

    2) No Adam’s apple. Liberal hysteria.”

    1. It’s run buy a couple expats with IRA ties who had to take off because things got too hot back home.

    2. I’m not a liberal. I’m also not blind. Ann Coulter has a goddamn Adam’s apple. Do you vacation in Thailand, fuck ladyboys, and when folks point out their not so subtle masculinity, accuse them of liberal hysteria?

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  157. on May 9, 2009 at 1:19 am feministx.blogspot.com

    I once dated a girl who was simulteneously sleeping with some band member of the Dresden dolls. She was 19 and about an 8.5. Anyways, she said that he was totally vanilla in bed although he was sleeping with a number of other women. She needed to get her freak on with someone that understood how to throw down.

    Basically, famous rockers aren’t necessarily alphas for any reason relating to “game”. Being a rocker gives you automatic game. You just can’t fuck it up.

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  158. on May 9, 2009 at 1:50 am dick fuel

    “hey, god gave me a dick, and i intend to glorify him by playing that organ, as often as possible.” christian troy

    botox in new york or boob jobs in la?

    …or a couple years off in another city (playgounding)?

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  159. on May 9, 2009 at 2:39 am Chuck

    feministx:

    yes, being a rock star is merely the apex of what game attempts to achieve: social proof of status.

    i’ve always found it odd that people throw every positive quality into the “game” category. being a rock star isn’t game. being rich isn’t game. being good looking isn’t game. having a nice car isn’t game. dressing well isn’t even game.

    game is merely a systemized process of language (verbal and physical) that attempts to “trick” women into lumping you in with men from any one of the above categories (rich, famous, strong, handsome).

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  160. on May 9, 2009 at 2:47 am Chuck

    fwiw,

    ann coulter used to date Dinesh D’Souza, Bob Guccione Jr. (founder of Spin magazine, son of Penthouse publisher) and Andrew Stein, a liberal democrat city councilman although i have a feeling she has a penchant for being dominated and fucked in the ass with large black penises. she just looks like that type.

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  161. on May 9, 2009 at 2:48 am xsplat

    Lurker

    The problem with leftie chicks with rightie is two fold:

    1) Leftie chicks apply politics to every situation, and assume anyone who doesn’t agree with their politics is a moron. Rightie girls, by and large,apply religion or morality, but you’re not likely to think you stupid, just misguided, and do not apply it to non-moral situations.

    2) Lefite chicks don’t have a first step. Inquire on the roots of their beliefs and you’ll find someone relyingon illogic to justify further logic–witness feminism. Righty chicks begin with “God said so,” which isn’t illogical, but a postulate–accept or don;t.

    Ya, having every punny thing become a jumping off point for political discussion is worse than irritating, worse than boring: it’s a buzz kill. A boner deflator.

    It’s a mental chastity belt, and while I have the locksmith tools, I have no interest in fumbling with it.

    The chronically political are angry, and the whole world is just one big shit test. And if you win the shit test, you are an oppressor. And if you lose the shit test, she will get bored with you and not be inspired to fuck you.

    The chronically political don’t want to let loose and enjoy, even for 1 second, lest in their inattentiveness someone was neglected or oppressed.

    As for the religiously chaste, I say fuck em if can’t take a joke. Good people piss me off, and professional virgins irritate me most of all. There is nothing more sanctimonious than purity. I despise it.

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  162. on May 9, 2009 at 6:51 am Game for Girls » Six More Facts About Men (21-26)

    […] to men than a woman who is kind.  The internet is full of examples of men bragging about their “pump and dumps” of blonde, slim, and other flavors of hot chicks, but nobody brags about purposefully ripping the heart out of a woman who loved them more than her […]

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  163. on May 9, 2009 at 7:43 am Bhetti

    At the risk of sounding a bit… Let me just say I don’t like roissy’s persona.

    Still, it has occured to me that roissy’s rhetoric has been more important to men than a (mere) rockstar and why it should really be regarded as an elevation in status especially by our supposedly narcissistic roissy himself, I don’t know.

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  164. on May 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm biktopia

    Wow, what a superwoman!

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  165. on May 9, 2009 at 3:57 pm sara I

    Okay, okay….I”m asking for it I guess. You guys will like this story I think. It was Rod Stewart. My best friend at the time (who was a groupie more than I) received an invitation from their MC whom she met at a party, to attend an all expense paid trip for her and a friend to join them at one of their concerts. We arrived the night before where I checked into the same room as my friend and the MC (who reminded me of a black pirate.).

    My first meeting with Rod was in the hotel on the day of the concert. He complimented me on my outfit. We sat next to each other in limo on the way there and he was in fine spirits. I remember clearly sitting backstage at the venue, him walking up to me and party unzipping his pants and asking me in his Scottish/English accent, “Wha are you lookin’ at?”. I said, “What is in front of my face!”

    The concert was stellar. I was there for the music and it did not disappoint. Being backstage was a huge treat.

    Back at the hotel in one of their rooms, we all gathered to get high and the band listened over and over to recordings of the concert they had just played to critique themselves and gloat over their success; who wouldn’t? LOL Anyway, Rod immediately called me over to sit next to him while he joked with everyone and gave me the nickname Petula. I was “Petula darling” the rest of the night, though most of his attention was on his previous performance and smoking incredible amounts of hash mixed with tobacco and drinking hard liquor. I partook of the hash, but didn’t drink.

    When the night was winding down, people started to depart to their rooms and as we entered the hall and he headed one way and I headed the other, he said “Aren’t you coming???” in total surprise. And I said, “NO. I’m going with ‘C’ and ‘C’!” I spent the remainder of the night listening to the happy sounds of my friend fucking the MC. All in all not a bad evening and I have pictures to prove it.

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  166. on May 9, 2009 at 4:06 pm Wonka

    Having seen a picture of roissy, I just can’t believe all of these conquest stories. With his girly puffy lips and his out-of-the-catalog-prep-boy uniform, he can’t really expect people to believe all this shit.

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  167. on May 9, 2009 at 4:22 pm sara I

    doug1

    This is touchingly candid and refreshingly balanced, esp. given where you’ve been. Good for you. I’m serious. You always were female in a big way.

    I’ve never been good at putting up a front. I admit that I still get a pang (albeit rare) when I think of my ex. My snooping (looking at pics of him with his now WIFE) online relieves those pangs in a hurry as they’re nothing compared to the misery he’s experiencing.
    Roissy advocates passive aggressive revenge tactics and my ex is the master when it comes to that, only he went way too far this time–poor thing. 😀

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  168. on May 9, 2009 at 4:22 pm Lucifer

    But is not banging an aging ex-groupie the ultimate fate of a beta?

    I have always found it fascinating that many alphas or wannabe alphas are almost always the most manipulated and delusional of the bunch.

    Maybe you should stop caring about pleasing others and take what you want or make others give it to you…

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  169. on May 9, 2009 at 4:23 pm Lupo

    BK Game: “so are all women evil?
    i am having a hard time understanding this. “

    Reading crap like this makes me think of how deficient our modern education is. You could read some Shakespeare, like Thursday says. Or you could read the duke of Chesterfield. Or you could just read the ancient Greeks. In the old days, you’d have read them all. They all explain the nature of women better than the fucking television or wherever modern delusional men get their ideas about women.

    Yes, it is true: women don’t have the same ideas about justice that men do. You can take an evolutionary biological approach to why this is so, and imagine them in the primitive monkey troupe, or you can just accept it and move on, as the ancients did.

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  170. on May 9, 2009 at 5:03 pm RW

    Four kids and no husband in DC suburb = low lying fruit.

    I am wondering if the lawyer guy left who did she?

    Shoot, a few months back I watched a Chili Peppers concert in some small intimate venue on Rave. I have several albums and like their music. It means nothing to me that this chick got hit by Kiedis though.

    If she was underage or under 20 even, I’d probably just leave it alone. I’d not make it a point of discussion nor ask to look at pics. That’s just me.

    Her comments about her children after the fact sound quite sad actually. Poster talking about the ongoing and impending disaster had it right.

    Damn shame. For the kids.

    Sorry Roissy, this time I disagree. Nothing to brag about here. Shoot go to Texas. You can hit tons of chicks like this. They have kids and are on their own by 22.

    And I bet a lot better looking than “breeder hips” re: chunky girl.

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  171. on May 9, 2009 at 5:20 pm doug1

    Lupo

    PA is looking for advice on protein shakes and I think really lifting and body toning/sculpting nutritional things over on the immediately prior thread, Opening This Set, where he’s the most recent comment before mine mentioning you.

    I recommended you, and linked your site. But I bet a number of guys here would like to hear your wisdom on the subject.

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  172. on May 9, 2009 at 5:27 pm doug1

    RW–

    And I bet a lot better looking than “breeder hips” re: chunky girl.

    No it means wide hips. Wide hipped girls literally have far less trouble delivering babies especially big ones with big heads than narrow hipped one. Read a little human evolution stuff.

    Though beyond a point it’s probably just an exaggerated sexual signaling development that doesn’t have survival or kid birthing additional utility. It can have reproductive utility though due to sexual selection — like a huge rack of antlers on some deer, or peacock tails.

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  173. on May 9, 2009 at 5:32 pm Default Groupie

    sara I

    Okay, okay….I”m asking for it I guess. You guys will like this story I think. It was Rod Stewart…

    Great story PetulaSara.

    You know almost having sex with Rod Stewart probably makes a better story than actually having sex with Rod Stewart.

    With all those drugs going down I wonder if the G-Man was also there.

    In case you want to relive old times. Also, he appears to have some upcoming concerts. I would suggest you finish the job you never started but poor Rod is probably too old for you now. Like your husband, he had his chance…

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  174. on May 9, 2009 at 5:35 pm Default User

    sara I

    I’ve never been good at putting up a front. I admit that I still get a pang (albeit rare) when I think of my ex.

    If that aging rocker can’t remove those (rare) pangs, I hope you find someone that can.

    [OK. That is my weekend bit of sappiness]

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  175. on May 9, 2009 at 5:36 pm Default User

    sara I

    PS
    [post sappiness?]

    Is it sara letter “i” or sara Roman numeral one?

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  176. on May 9, 2009 at 5:48 pm RW

    Thanks doug1, got that on the wide hips thing. But in terms of taste I know that the narrower hips and leaner athletic look does pay in delivery. Just can’t help it.

    There was one who had a bit wider and how beautiful I thought were her lines.

    Okay as for the kettle boys, some of us are already past the several knee injuries thang. And power lifting exercises ain’t going to do it.

    But 90 pound powerblocks with a bench will do so. And nicely. With some cardio of your choice.

    Is Sara allowed to be on here at her age? Just kidding.

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  177. on May 9, 2009 at 5:53 pm RW

    Oh and here in NYC, we don’t all star fuck or do the celebrity worship. Having said that, my buddy once did Rachel Hunter’s hair. And he said she was fetching.

    More power to Rod.

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  178. on May 9, 2009 at 6:04 pm LILGRL

    @RW

    “Oh and here in NYC, we don’t all star fuck or do the celebrity worship. Having said that, my buddy once did Rachel Hunter’s hair. And he said she was fetching.”

    Haha, nicely put, there.

    And, “Nothing to brag about here.”

    Yes. SRSLY.

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  179. on May 10, 2009 at 4:16 am russell rodriguez

    i think that she hid the fact that she had kids before you banged her because she needed to get bang after probably not getting banged for a while and not a lot of men want to bang a woman with four kids. good call on dumping her she probably fooled many other men into banging her since then.

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  180. on May 10, 2009 at 5:03 am Rum

    I read a fairly serious and comprehensive biography of Keith Richards a while ago. From it, I got the impression that the strangest thing about being a Rock & Roll deity is the extreme nature of the rationalizations that women will come up with to fuck you.
    Over and over again various models etc. would kick down doors to his hotel room to sex on him while he was in the depths of a heroin binge and barely able to focus his eyes on them, much less remember their names, and afterwards they would talk endlessly about how they did it because he was such a sensitive artist, or a lost little boy, or a really nice guy under the bad boy exterior…
    It was if groupies have NO self-awareness. None.

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  181. on May 10, 2009 at 5:17 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    *yawn* boring story, next blog please.

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  182. on May 10, 2009 at 5:44 am Rum

    Being a Hippo might seem OK to you but sooner or later you will run head-long into the fact the God Hates Fat People. A lot. Diabetes and every other sort of flesh-rotting thing that happens to fat folk is not, like, an accident of nature. There is a divine purpose behind it.

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  183. on May 10, 2009 at 6:41 am Absinthe

    Here is a pic of a singer banged, so to speak, by a R&B star

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  184. on May 10, 2009 at 8:53 am Default User

    Following my songs that Billy Joel may have written for Sara. Here is my list of songs Rod Stewart may have written for Sara.

    Maggie May – read the lyrics 😉
    I Don’t Want to Talk About It – His friends never let him forget the night he was blown off by “that crazy chick.”
    (I Know) I’m Losing You – Sara’s answer: “You never had me!”
    Tonight’s the Night (Gonna Be Alright) – Sara’s answer: “Tonight is not the night buster!”
    “The First Cut Is the Deepest” – Sara’s answer: “I warned you not to leave the cutlery lying around”
    Do Ya Think I’m Sexy? – Sara’s answer: “No!”
    Ain’t Love a Bitch – I am sayin’ nothing here.
    Hot Legs – Hey, it could be true.

    [list of singles here]
    Sunday morning time wasting.

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  185. on May 10, 2009 at 9:30 am Default User

    Messed up my links May 10, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Lyrics to Maggie May at
    List of singles

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  186. on May 10, 2009 at 10:00 am PA

    Hey Default User, you forgot one more Rod Steward song for Sara: “You’re in my Heart.”

    Most apt line:

    all those habits of yours,
    that in the beginning were hard to accept

    Though something tells me you are partial to this one:

    please pardon the grammar,
    but you’re every schoolboy’s dream

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  187. on May 10, 2009 at 10:14 am contrarian

    roissy

    I wonder how a beta male would have responded to such a request? “Stop being silly, honeybunny, I’m not going to hit on another woman. That’s just WRONG. I’m with *you* now.”

    That’s kind of how how monogamous relationships are supposed to work.

    for the record, i never banned TJF/contrarian. i just randomly deleted a bunch of his comments to drive him slowly crazy.

    All my posts got stuck in moderation, based on the IP address I used.

    xsplat

    As for the religiously chaste, I say fuck em if can’t take a joke. Good people piss me off, and professional virgins irritate me most of all. There is nothing more sanctimonious than purity. I despise it.

    Do you know what sanctimonious means? It means hypocritically pious or devout. How does that apply to a person who is pure?

    I’m guessing good people and “professional virgins” irritate you since they won’t have sex with you.

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  188. on May 10, 2009 at 10:26 am Default User

    PA, sara I

    Hey Default User, you forgot one more Rod Steward song for Sara: “You’re in my Heart.”
    …
    Though something tells me you are partial to this one:

    Actually, this caught my eye:

    The big bosomed lady with the dutch accent.
    [lyrics]

    Sara where are you from again?

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  189. on May 10, 2009 at 10:31 am Kamal S.

    Chuck:

    “ann coulter used to date Dinesh D’Souza, Bob Guccione Jr… and Andrew Stein, a liberal democrat city councilman although I have a feeling she has a penchant for being dominated and fucked in the ass with large black penises. she just looks like that type.”

    Of course she does..
    Which is why she’s welcome to drop by my harem now and then. With a sock in her mouth, of course.

    This is something common to many high testosterone and controlling fem lawyer types. They just need a man strong enough to pull the dominance bit.

    That said, again, the question of whether she’s is hot. No, she is not. Attractive? Yes, in particular for a woman her age. Hot? Hardly. If she was a raging commie pinko, half of the middle age white conservative guys who rage on about her beauty and sundry virtues would simply curl their lips in disgust.

    I bet a nice shiny Federal reserve note that Coulter’s clit is the size of my thumb. This isn’t an insult, just speculation. Thumb size clits have their distinct charms.

    For the record, there is something attractive about a bit of vinegar in one’s honey. Overly sweet girls do not pose an existential challenge to a man’s ego in the way that, well, women like Coulter does. Such women are a test of a man’s strength.

    Men who shy from such tests are inwardly weak. Those whose weakness cause them to rationalize certain things – (speaking from my own personal experience, introspection, and personal growth) are often very intelligent, and decent, men who simply lack the courage to embrace the truth’s glowing hot tip with their hand. And what is the truth?

    The truth is that Ann Coulter is not hot.
    The truth is that if Ann Coulter were a leftist, most of those calling her hot would simply not.
    The truth is that Ann Coulter probably frequently fantasizes about being thoroughly debauched by a thick black cock welded by the most dominating of possessors.
    The truth is that many of those who think she’s hot probably fantasize about her riding them reverse cowgirl, on top. But she really, really, just wants to be on the bottom..

    Myself, I want her on the bottom. Bent over my sofa’s arm. On that note, feel free to pass her my calling card. There will be Malbec on ice beside my door along with a silk stocking for her to shove in her mouth. She shall discreetly find my swart manhood a delight few are privileged to embrace.

    The truth, that statement above likely pissed off an awful lot of the social biology, occidental-phile types, lingering about.. while titillating them at the same time.
    The idea of Coulter swallowing a spade’s manhood somehow stabs some people to their core with rage and insecurity.

    The truth; It is good to test men, and see where their weakness lies. Men’s tests mold them.

    The truth; Often a man’s weakness lies in his pride.

    The truth; the highly controlling inwardly often want to loose control. How else does one explain the high predominance of male S&M submission in Anglophone, and certain Northern European, cultures? The dominatrix is not a stereotype often found in other cultures until the wide dissemination of Northern European porn. And even still I get the impression that the English, Dutch, and certain northern European populations get off on this stuff more. The height of Victorian S&M erotica corresponded with the height of Anglo-Saxon civilization’s hegemony. These things are linked.

    The verbally dominating often want on some sub-rational level to be physically dominated.
    Those curious about modern racial and gender politics simply haven’t understood certain fundamentals of human nature that cross racial and cultural barriers. All actions produce counter-actions, the seed of a conquering race is frequently feeble and degenerate.
    Manish ball breaking women of a certain degree of physical attractiveness inwardly yearn to surrender.

    If Coulter was a lesbian, She would be a bottom… I’d bet money on this

    Kaput

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  190. on May 10, 2009 at 10:39 am Kamal S.

    On Protein

    I like Whey. Soy is the death of masculinity

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

    The guy exaggerates, to the point of hysteria, but there is something deeply suspect about Soy. And there are peer reviewed academic research detailing its effects. I suggest you check them out and make up your own mind.

    I also like eggs. Ian Fleming gives a delightful account of the proper and right way to make scrambled eggs, it can be found in the back of the recently released anthology of all his James Bond short stories titled “Quantum of Solace”.

    Scrambled eggs rule. I like yolk. Cholesterol’s good for you, in moderation..

    With a good intake of Omega 3 fatty acids.
    Incidentally in some Eastern schools of traditional medicine they are recommended as an aphrodisiac along with almonds, if you believe in that sort of thing. It makes sense, both are chock full of protein.

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  191. on May 10, 2009 at 11:15 am El Guapo

    Of course Ann Coulter wants domination.

    Her whole attitude screams it sub-rosa — “Challenge me dammit — then fuck me senseless!”

    But relationships with such women are a continuous conflict and unstable, since they have test and retest you to no end. Believe me — you will tire of it even if you can squash her repeatedly.

    Frankly I enjoy/prefer delivering good dominant BDSM to a receptive submissive. Evolving them from sub-dominant to submissive to sex slave is one of the most erotically satisfying journeys you can take as a man. There is nothing — and I mean nothing — like coming home to a woman begging to give you a blowjob after a hard day’s work.

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  192. on May 10, 2009 at 11:19 am joel

    How did Ann Coulter come up? The hatred of the Left, which is essentially self hatred, is never far from the surface. I can easily understand why the Left hates itself. I would hate myself too if I were a lefty. Very unhealthy. BTW, given her body habitus, I wouldn’t be surprised if she were infertile, maybe one of those ovarian failure syndromes (mumps in adolescence?).

    BTW, this post of Roissy’s reminds of that great quote in the movie Thank You for Smoking.

    When the live in boyfriend of his exwife cautions the protagonist about providing a “smoke free” environment for his young son on weekend visits, the protagonist responds something like:

    “Let’s get one thing straight. I am his father. You are just fucking his mother.”

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  193. on May 10, 2009 at 11:30 am Default Coulter

    I tend to agree about the overestimation of Coulter’s hotness. She is blonde and skinny (good) but has a hard look.

    This looks to be a younger picture and is kind of cute.

    [from: http://www.morethings.com/images/ann_coulter/ann_coulter_photo_gallery08.htm ]

    This is another younger/softer look:

    My guess is she is suffering the same problem as Madonna. Dieting/Exercising to keep her figure has caused a lose of facial fat. That said she was probably always fairly high-strung and high-T.

    For some guys though, lots of leg and blonde hair is all it takes.

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  194. on May 10, 2009 at 11:43 am Default Schooler

    PA

    Though something tells me you are partial to this one:

    please pardon the grammar,
    but you’re every schoolboy’s dream

    Er…Why?

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  195. on May 10, 2009 at 12:14 pm contrarian

    Kamal S.

    For the record, there is something attractive about a bit of vinegar in one’s honey. Overly sweet girls do not pose an existential challenge to a man’s ego in the way that, well, women like Coulter does. Such women are a test of a man’s strength.

    Men who shy from such tests are inwardly weak. Those whose weakness cause them to rationalize certain things – (speaking from my own personal experience, introspection, and personal growth) are often very intelligent, and decent, men who simply lack the courage to embrace the truth’s glowing hot tip with their hand.

    Since when have relationships existed for the purpose of posing an “existential challenge to a man’s ego”? What the fuck does that even mean? I’m not interested in a relationship because I want to “test” myself with some drama queen bitch who will probably cheat on me at the earliest possible opportunity. Being in a relationship with such a woman is not a “test of a man’s strength,” and being with a sweet girl does not make you weak. You don’t know the first thing about what it is to be a man (which is common among PUAs).

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  196. on May 10, 2009 at 12:16 pm contrarian

    Kamal S.

    For the record, there is something attractive about a bit of vinegar in one’s honey. Overly sweet girls do not pose an existential challenge to a man’s ego in the way that, well, women like Coulter does. Such women are a test of a man’s strength.

    Men who shy from such tests are inwardly weak. Those whose weakness cause them to rationalize certain things – (speaking from my own personal experience, introspection, and personal growth) are often very intelligent, and decent, men who simply lack the courage to embrace the truth’s glowing hot tip with their hand.

    Since when have relationships existed for the purpose of posing an “existential challenge to a man’s ego”? What the fuck does that even mean? I’m not interested in a relationship because I want to “test” myself with some drama queen bitch who will probably cheat on me at the earliest possible opportunity. Being in a relationship with such a woman is not a “test of a man’s strength,” and being with a sweet girl does not make you weak. You don’t know the first thing about what it is to be a man (which is common among PUAs).

    –

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  197. on May 10, 2009 at 12:28 pm PA

    What the fuck does that even mean?

    Comments like that endear our Surreal Friend to me. The answer to your question — blog comments are a great place to flex like He-Man.

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  198. on May 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm sara I

    Default User

    Thank you I think, but I doubt he ever wrote any songs with me in mind.

    Of all the Rod Stewart songs ever done, this is my favorite cover song.

    contrarian

    Since when have relationships existed for the purpose of posing an “existential challenge to a man’s ego”? What the fuck does that even mean? I’m not interested in a relationship because I want to “test” myself with some drama queen bitch who will probably cheat on me at the earliest possible opportunity. Being in a relationship with such a woman is not a “test of a man’s strength,” and being with a sweet girl does not make you weak. You don’t know the first thing about what it is to be a man (which is common among PUAs).

    I understand you’re a major trouble maker around here. Congratulations. I have to agree for the most part with the person you are disagreeing with. Challenges to the ego are an inevitable part of any relationship. Only a doormat never challenges your ego. The ego (the way it’s defined here I think–an overblown belief in ones “rightness”) is a major impediment to truly enjoying life.

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  199. on May 10, 2009 at 3:47 pm sara I

    Kamal S.

    Men who shy from such tests are inwardly weak. Those whose weakness cause them to rationalize certain things –

    I agree, but would change the wording a bit:

    Men who shy from such tests are inwardly weak. Those whose weakness caused them to bullshit.

    Also the “test” is not really coming from the woman, but from the man himself. If he’s bullshitting and posing his way through life, he’s asking to be taken down a notch. It could be through a woman, a boss, a mother, a stranger, a loss of some sort.

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  200. on May 10, 2009 at 4:26 pm sara I

    Default Groupie

    You know almost having sex with Rod Stewart probably makes a better story than actually having sex with Rod Stewart.

    You’re so right.

    In case you want to relive old times.

    No thanks! My current times are much better.

    I would suggest you finish the job you never started but poor Rod is probably too old for you now.

    I think he was too old for me THEN. To him I was just another piece of ass, but in this case, one he–happily for me- didn’t get.

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  201. on May 10, 2009 at 5:11 pm contrarian

    sara I

    I understand you’re a major trouble maker around here. Congratulations. I have to agree for the most part with the person you are disagreeing with. Challenges to the ego are an inevitable part of any relationship. Only a doormat never challenges your ego. The ego (the way it’s defined here I think–an overblown belief in ones “rightness”) is a major impediment to truly enjoying life.

    Relationships are apparently the only venue for character development available to you, but some of us have other things going on in our lives.

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  202. on May 10, 2009 at 6:38 pm Default User

    sara I

    Thank you I think, but I doubt he ever wrote any songs with me in mind.

    I spend… minutes to come up a list that might put a smile on your face and all you can say is [Eeyore voice]”I doubt he ever wrote any songs with me in mind.”

    But at least you did say “thank you.”

    😉

    You missed my earlier question:
    Is it sara letter “i” or sara Roman numeral one?

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  203. on May 10, 2009 at 6:52 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    Roissy is a douche but I cannot possibly blame him for deleting this chick’s number. She mentioned every detail about her meaningless fling with Kiedes before she mentioned a minor detail like her FOUR kids. This chick is living in some vapid fantasy world (not to mention that her reality has some serious baggage). Roissy might actually deserve better.

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  204. on May 10, 2009 at 6:58 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    I’m something of a test, but I do not like testy girls.

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  205. on May 10, 2009 at 7:01 pm benjack

    Lyrics to Foolish Behaviour :
    (Rod Stewart / Savigar, Cregan, Grainger)

    Can I introduce myself
    I’m a man of panache and wealth
    Sound in mind, body, soul and health
    Why I wanna kill my wife
    I have the urge to take her life

    Been planing for years to get rid of her
    Not divorce I really do mean to kill her
    She’s so full of useless information and trivia
    That’s why I wanna kill my wife
    I have a duty to take her life

    Her stupid friends get right up my nose
    They all wear annoyingly sensible clothes
    They’re all so bleeding grandiose,
    You know why I should kill her friends
    They’re all driving Mercedes Benz.

    He’ll escape down into Mexico
    Sell the house and find a nice young girl
    He’ll laugh and sing and he won’t work anymore.

    Should I string her up or strangle her in bed?
    Suffocate that little venomous head
    Or perhaps I’ll just whip her to death!!
    Listen do me a favor kill my wife

    Do it for mankind take her life
    Or should I act quite cold and deliberate
    Or maybe blow out her brains with a bullet
    They’ll think suicide they won’t know who done it
    I’m gonna kill my wife I’m really gonna take her life.

    He’ll escape down into Mexico
    Sell the house and find a nice young girl
    He’ll laugh and sing and he won’t work anymore

    The moment of truth has come
    I’m at the point of no return
    I’ve got my hands locked round her throat
    I’m about to kill my wife
    Don’t stop me now I’m gonna take her life

    Too late now I’m gonna kill my wife
    Can’t help myself I’m gonna take her life

    —————————-

    Has A Roissy-esque flavor to it, doesn’t it? 🙂

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  206. on May 11, 2009 at 1:06 am JC

    A woman in her 30s, a divorcee with FOUR kids, no matter how great she looks only has value in terms of “Pump and Dump”
    Whoever she fucked in her heyday is meaningless and the more famous her exes are , the more it highlights her loss of value and “fall from grace”

    Roissy did the righ thing by deleting her number , and I would not be at all suprised if most of the guys this woman had been with in the recent past had done the same.

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  207. on May 11, 2009 at 3:02 am sara I

    gig

    did you turn down G manifesto?

    I do not know this G manifesto person of whom you speak. Should I?

    benjack off

    Look honey, if you’re going to quote the lyrics to a song, why not quote the whole thing? For those interested here are the last three lines:

    Telephone rang and he woke from his sleep
    His wife snoring soundly next to him
    It was all a very nasty dream.

    Rod Stewart is an arrogant jerk, but not 100%.

    contrarian

    Relationships are apparently the only venue for character development available to you, but some of us have other things going on in our lives.

    No shit? You just met your trouble making match honey. *wink*

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  208. on May 11, 2009 at 3:11 am sara I

    Default User

    I spend… minutes to come up a list that might put a smile on your face and all you can say is [Eeyore voice]“I doubt he ever wrote any songs with me in mind.”

    But at least you did say “thank you.”

    Yes, you’re right of course. I just don’t have the time to spend as I used to. I wish. Here’s a kiss kiss for you and your wonderful thoughtfulness. 😡 I have an ex boyfriend who wrote songs for me, but now he looks like Willie Nelson, smokes, and has one too many tattoos. My favorite Rod Stewart songs are probably Infatuation and You Shook Me.

    You missed my earlier question:
    Is it sara letter “i” or sara Roman numeral one?

    Sara as in Roman numeral one. There was an impostor Sara here a while back and I needed to distinguish myself from her.
    So what are you up to these days?

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  209. on May 11, 2009 at 3:12 am sara I

    Default User

    Fuck! My kiss kiss emoticon came out as an angry face. Let’s try that again. }xx

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  210. on May 11, 2009 at 3:35 am db

    sara! good to see you back! and more of the dirty talk, please. these guys need it 😉

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  211. on May 11, 2009 at 6:05 am Kamal S.

    Wake up, make up your mind
    seek the knowledge that you will find…
    …Wait for it, from the weak
    ‘Cause they make the people level//

    ..Man woman child boy girl, insane to the playing
    Love music power pain , be what you gotta do
    Get the knowing attitude because this is the test
    that we suggest.” – Ministry, 1989 “Test” From “The mind is a terrible thing to taste”

    sara I:
    “Also the “test” is not really coming from the woman, but from the man himself. If he’s bullshitting and posing his way through life, he’s asking to be taken down a notch. It could be through a woman, a boss, a mother, a stranger, a loss of some sort.”

    Sara, this is, actually, the point.

    (Sara gets it, but Contrarian does not.)

    Our lives are mirrors of the world, and our world, as we perceive it, is a mirror of ourselves. This is not new age bullshit, but a psychological observation easily verifiable by anyone with an ounce of introspection and self reflection.

    We perceive the world in our own image, metaphorically, and through flawed lenses. Lenses as molded through our lives, and we learn to use what we perceive, in front of us, as tools of growth and development.
    Whether it’s a one night stand from a girl you meet at a coffeeshop or late night Ihop, or a loving relationship with a wife or girlfriend you utterly love, or a feud with an ancient enemy from your youth, our lives are criss-crossing nexus of relationships with other people, objects, and places.

    Each of them demands our authenticity.
    The degree to which we choose to, or not to, interact with them in an authentic manner is the degree to which they call us out on our bullshit. This is an existential test of sorts.

    Behtti, the morning dove: Sayyidati, for your eyes, is a complementary copy of my epic romance, upon its completion.
    Well not quite complementary, nothing in life is truly free, but it is a small price – simply in exchange for a smile, and a lingering gaze, from your almond eyes.

    Everyone else, however, must pay cash.
    Cash rules, thus spake Inspectah Deck.

    Contrarian: While your point is not lost on me, I profoundly disagree. Assumptions are dangerous things. One may imply that my worldview or an element of it, is shared by “PUA’ types. My worldview may or may not superficially be shared by Chaucer. What’s the relevance here?
    One could assume from this that I happen to be a PUA.

    Ah, poison the well. Few things are further from the truth. And truth to tell, I’m celibate by choice after the very recent death of one girlfriend, and a difficult (but amicable) break-up with another.

    This may or may not change in the immediate future, in either case I am far from a “pickup artist” running around seeking belt notches. Nor have I ever been such a one. And while I may or may not happen to slouch towards promiscuity at certain times in my life, it is because such may happen to be what I desire at that time. Women are delicious delightful things, it is hard to say no to delights freely offered. Does not a gentleman hate denying a lady her heart’s desires? But I’d be daft to mold my life around transient pleasures, and may often sanely abstain from such delights due to moral, ethical, religious, or simply practical, considerations.

    But any idiot realizes that, among other things, women tend to test the men in their lives. PUAs didn’t innovate this observation, I do believe that Shakespeare uses it as a linchpin of sorts.. as does Chaucer.

    Western literature is hardly alone on this matter, one can find similar themes in the east, among the Arabs and Persians, in Rumi, or Hafez, or the poetry of Imr al-Qays. Indian literature finds this theme repeated as well. I’ve come across it in Chinese literature as well. While some aspects of the male sexual view in such cultures may superficially resemble that of the modern western “pick up artist”, this is simply because certain themes are almost universal in circulation, forgotten by one generation, to be remembered by another.
    Man’s nature is constant, irrespective of race, clime, and age; and man’s culture is endlessly derivative, this way. One generation’s delusions are pricked by another generation’s cold observations. The West has been through the phase of pickup foppery several times in the last 4 centuries. One occurred around Shakespeare’s time, initiated ironically by the proto-feminism of Elizabeth’s reign. Most half competent students of literature and history have a passing realization of this. Those who don’t figure out that the rake is an ancient character. As tragic, and amusing, as fascinating. The rake’s counterpart, the Saint, is also an ancient, though mostly extinct, character. Much of human history bounces between these extremes.

    Also irrelevant is the fact that I find the notion of being a “pick up artist” to be a bit silly.
    While the blog’s author (a fine writer, and man of great humor) is such a one, unless I misread him, I don’t think that he, or other PUA types, subscribe to the idea of relationships (as opposed to one night stands) as existential tests of their manhood.

    Point: aught in your damn life is a test, this view serves me well.

    All tests; relationships, friendships, sexual liaisons, workplace relationships, even your familial relationships are all tests. There are other elements involved, only naffs constantly reduce life’s complexity, but one aspect of all things are that they are existential tests, at least for the type of person who knows how to use other people as his mirror.
    Perhaps you find this view to be narcissistic. Perhaps it is possible that you simply do not understand it. And in not understanding a matter, fail from benefiting from it.
    Which could, or could not, be a tragedy. Who am I to say, perhaps you have a more useful working model of the world.

    Everything in the world is a test and challenge to a certain type of person.

    Meeting these tests and challenges causes man to grow, flower, and blossom.
    Such tests expand one’s sense of potentiality, and increase one’s wisdom.

    The notion of the world as a test is a common literary theme throughout the centuries. It works for many, because there is truth in it. Those who do not perceive its truth cannot benefit from this view.

    Our relationships are certainly tests and challenges, irrespective of whether or not we are cognizant of this. And I am grateful for them, my pleasant, and tragic, tests. Grateful because they have caused me to grow, in knowledge, wisdom, empathy, and most importantly inner strength.

    Life is either growth or stagnation, either way, the 6 feet of earth awaits. What you do between womb and tomb defines you, how you perceive the world defines what you do, you have a choice. Several, in fact. Choose.

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  212. on May 11, 2009 at 6:57 am Kamal S.

    Part the second.

    Contrarian: “and being with a sweet girl does not make you weak. You don’t know the first thing about what it is to be a man (which is common among PUAs).”

    You are a good man, as evident in your words.

    There is room in this world for good men, and in the decadent age in which we live, such good men are sadly often found in low esteem.

    You are also over hasty, in your estimations.
    Over hastiness is a sign of children and fools alike. Decide which of these two categories you happen to fit in. If there is a more pleasant third, I’d be delighted if you pointed it out to me. For I’d like to maintain my decent opinion of you.

    In reading what you expect to read in my words you projected upon my character what is not really there. Hastiness, and naïveté, and perhaps a touch of stupidity? Or simply sincere but poor reading comprehension.

    A general hint to everyone reading and commenting on this blog:

    Read more Shakespeare. And Chaucer. And if you aren’t one of those absurdly excessive, and obsessive, occidental-phile types incapable of seeing value in other cultures, I recommend a good dose of Rumi as well.

    Avoid the Coleman Barks translations, however, for they happen to be naff shite. The classic translation of the Mathewi is the best. Your ancestors read Rumi, and Ibn Arabi, and they appreciated it. One thing that defined early western civilization was its youthful appreciation for the east, and the ability to learn from their enemies. A pity their over-arrogant, under breeding, and tragically tired spawn are incapable of what made their grandfathers great.
    And thus we slouch towards Sodom..

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  213. on May 11, 2009 at 8:19 am Default User 1.00

    sara I

    So what are you up to these days?

    In between my life as an international Pick Up Artist I post on the Internet.

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  214. on May 11, 2009 at 8:21 am Default User 1.00

    sara I

    Fuck! My kiss kiss emoticon came out as an angry face.

    Now we will have to trade make-up smilies 😉

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  215. on May 11, 2009 at 8:25 am Default User

    sara I

    You just knew that a guy called Default User could help you out with you smillies technical problem.

    Smileys in WordPress

    Automatic smilies are 👿

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  216. on May 11, 2009 at 8:28 am Default User

    Screwed up my link again..

    Smileys in WordPress

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  217. on May 11, 2009 at 9:55 am Kamal S.

    So, like…

    How do you do those big-ass quote marks?

    Just curious 🙂

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  218. on May 11, 2009 at 10:07 am Default Sensei

    Kamal S.

    So, like…

    How do you do those big-ass quote marks?

    Special Alpha secret…
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    That I am about to share.
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    To get those big-ass quotes use:
    <blockquote>
    Text to big-ass quote
    </blockquote>

    That gives you (the newly admitted Alpha poster) this:

    Text to big-ass quote

    …at least it does if i did all the HTML stuff correctly.

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  219. on May 11, 2009 at 10:09 am contrarian

    Kamal S.

    But any idiot realizes that, among other things, women tend to test the men in their lives.

    Shit testing is an indication of a mental disorder.

    You are also over hasty, in your estimations.

    You said that men who shy away from shit-testing bitches are weak. There was nothing hasty about my response.

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  220. on May 11, 2009 at 10:47 am Default User

    db

    …and more of the dirty talk, please. these guys need it

    Indeed we do. But why put it all on sara. As an Alpha Femme you can add your own dirty talk too. The more the merrier.

    Maybe you could de-geek this thread.

    That one really needs some <dirty talk> Any thread that geeks out a guy called Default User needs all the help it can get.

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  221. on May 11, 2009 at 11:06 am maurice

    @Kamal S – interesting about the history. I’d partially agree about the Elizabethan era being one for male “pickup” – although “foppery” might not be the right concept. perhaps out less foppish age reads something into that manner of dress and behavior that was not perceived as such at that time. I read pickup and game (or the basic principles therein) as male reaction to female choosiness/power, so those male behaviors would come around in periods of female empowerment.

    What other historical periods do you think fit that bill? And what about the translation of that into non-Western cultures?

    “Taming of the Shrew” is required reading. (Apropos of a non-foppish Elizbethan male role model….)

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  222. on May 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm sara I

    Kamal S.

    The rake’s counterpart, the Saint, is also an ancient, though mostly extinct, character. Much of human history bounces between these extremes.

    At least the rake is ALIVE. The saints are walking dead, with a few exceptions-maybe St. Francis.

    Our lives are mirrors of the world, and our world, as we perceive it, is a mirror of ourselves.

    We experience life as we are, not as it is.

    Life is either growth or stagnation, either way, the 6 feet of earth awaits.

    Agreed, but I would use the words expansion or contraction.

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  223. on May 11, 2009 at 1:41 pm sara I

    Kamal S.

    Here’s a nice introduction (roissy will especially like this) to Rumi and other extremely influential people who never made it into the history (politics) books.

    http://www.amazon.com/Meetings-Remarkable-People-Osho/dp/1905857543/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242062554&sr=1-1

    db

    Growing tired of her husband’s great mass,
    A young bride inserted some glass.
    The prick of her hubby
    Is now short and stubby,
    While the wife can now piss through her ass.

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  224. on May 11, 2009 at 2:10 pm benjack

    sara1:

    that would’ve just ruined it! its better without that last 3 lines, anwyay. 🙂

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  225. on May 11, 2009 at 2:13 pm Kamal S.

    Sensei. I am not worthy. Thank you for imparting yet more knowledge of wordpress. I do not seek alphaness, I simply seek to be. Your assistance has generously helped me be, better, by being able to pull these cool ass

    block quotes

    That was neat; “w3rd up”

    Contrarian: I believe that I have been saying “testing”, you said “shit testing”, your lack of discernment and reading into things ill behooves you.

    All that I can say is this; almost every single woman in my life from all of my sisters (and I have 4) to my mother, grandmothers, girlfriends, and female platonic friends, of sundry racial backgrounds, religions (and lack thereof) and social-economic backgrounds (women who grew up in ghettos, grew up in trailer parks, grew up middle class in the suburbs, and upper middle class) have on an occasional basis, and sometimes more frequently, tested the boundaries of their relationship with me, and indeed directly tested me, in various ways.

    Any man who has had more than one sister, growing up, would realize what I’m talking about. They constantly test you. It is possible that your life could be rather exceptional.

    3. To prove my point; I maintain this, anyone who shies away from being tested has some degree of weakness in them.
    You tested me, did you not. Whether you intended it explicitly as a test, or not, is not relevant. You tested me by calling me out on what you thought of as my B.S. (or you *thought* you were calling me out). If this isn’t a test, I don’t know what else is. You confronted me, called B.S. to what I claim. If I ran away sniveling away from your confrontation then yes, this would be a sign of weakness, would you not agree?

    Life can be seen through more nuanced lenses than I believe you are currently seeing it. Things are matters of degrees. I’m not saying you need to walk around strutting with your chest sticking out seeking every acid laced test of your mettle, but yes, avoidance of life’s tests is a sign of weakness. To the degree that we as men realize this, and confront things more often in an assertive manner, to that degree we grow inwardly.

    As for women, I don’t seek safe cute non assertive women, nor do I seek ball breakers, I meet people as myself with what they have, and I DEAL WITH IT. Some women I’ve dated have been very non assertive, very sweet, very.. “nice” much like my mother (quite Freudian eh?) and oddly enough under the surface there is a good deal of passive aggressiveness lurking beneath the surface.

    I have also dated women who seemed, on the surface, to be a bit shy of raving bitches at times, very confident, assertive, assured, focused, and direct – given to calling people out on what they perceived to be their bullshit. While crass abrasiveness is a real turn off, there is a place for fire in a woman.

    When Bhetti said:

    You guys still don’t get it:
    Sugar and spice
    ISN’T everything nice
    Because it can give you
    Obesity
    and worsen your ulcer

    If it wasn’t obvious that Bhetti had some ‘Arab in her, this statement made it quite obvious. I’m guessing Egyptian…

    Anyway, she’s right. It took me years to understand certain things that I could have gotten easily if I just paid attention to the lives of others.

    There are women who can be sweet, but who can also be fiery challenges.
    My father married a very good, and very sweet and naive girl, whose sweetness covered a lot of unhealed pain from childhood. They simply were not compatible. Years later after a lot of mutual heartache he encountered a woman who in some ways many people see as almost ferocious. Ann Coulter looks like a tiger cub next to her. She challenged him in ways that no other woman could, and he was the only man strong enough for her.
    She tests everyone, is quite possibly the most assertive person I’ve ever met, and my dad utterly loved her until the day he died.

    I can freely admit that I wouldn’t be able to handle a woman as strong as her, but years later the one woman in my life who I ever came close to marrying was a woman far stronger and more direct, than most men I know.
    And you know what, she challenged me. And I grew from her challenges, Then again, she was German… I’ve noticed German women tend to be strong.

    Some men would have shied away from her, in fact just about every man she’d been with simply ran away. While things didn’t work out for us for many reasons, I will say this. I never ran away. We mutually parted for many reasons when the course of our relationship was over, but you know, I would do it again. I grew from being with her.

    I don’t like all sugar, nor all vinegar, I like honey mixed with a bit of vinegar. A touch of pepper in my latte.

    I maintain the opinion that you simply haven’t understood what I’m writing. I maintain this is self evident, given that you seem to have a real degree of intelligence, I’m confident that if you actually understood my point you would see its truth. Since you do not agree, therefore its possible and likely that you simply haven’t gotten what I’m saying, and it is possible that in your distaste for, and disgust with, the “PUA lifestyle” many advocate (Roissy’s “hedonic” description is probably more apt) you simply are projecting your own concerns and agendas upon my words.

    Life is a test, relationships are tests. This is not the only dimension to life or to relationships, but only idiots are reductionists. But there is a strongly test like nature to all romantic relationships even if its not apparent on the surface. This is not to say that every woman is a ball crushing shite tester, though if you insist on making a cartoon out of my words you may, but girls test you at times. And they should. Everyone tests you to see if you are authentic..

    Or if you are bullshit.

    Good lord almighty man, our exchange has been a set of mutual tests of each other, are you so blind as to not see this?

    I’ve said my peace, take it or leave it as you will.

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  226. on May 11, 2009 at 3:00 pm sara I

    Kamal S.

    And you know what, she challenged me. And I grew from her challenges, Then again, she was German… I’ve noticed German women tend to be strong.

    Hear hear! Danke. I’m lookin’ for a man like your dear papa.

    Check this out. It describes your soft on the outside, hard on the inside type of woman.

    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeTwoOverview.asp

    My ex just married one of these saintly types and he’s in a world of shit.

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  227. on May 11, 2009 at 5:28 pm Default User

    sara I

    Just out of curiosity:
    What types to you think the posters here belong to?
    Roissy?

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  228. on May 12, 2009 at 12:38 am sara I

    Default User

    I think Roissy is a three. I used to think he was a five, but I like fives. Threes I tend not to get along with unless they’re very healthy and who is very healthy these days? I’m healthy physically and maybe healthy to average mentally and emotionally depending. Someone said here that Sara is not that bad. Well, Sara is not that good either.

    BTW I spoke to my friend today. The one from work. I think he likes me.

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  229. on May 12, 2009 at 1:14 am Bhetti

    Kamal: Yay, thank you, would love a copy. The very title’s intriguing.

    “If it wasn’t obvious that Bhetti had some ‘Arab in her, this statement made it quite obvious. I’m guessing Egyptian…”

    What’s so quintessentially Arab about my little statement?

    Masriyya?! Yimkin 😉 I’m not telling.

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  230. on May 12, 2009 at 1:21 am Bhetti

    Sara: You don’t need to meet Kimberly Stewart to know that you were very wise not to risk tangling with that genetic material. Maybe your internal DNA alarm went off.

    I feel so catty. Meow.

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  231. on May 12, 2009 at 7:51 am Default User

    sara I

    I think Roissy is a three.

    Come on, I reckon he is a least a 7…

    Seriously, what made you change your mind (moving from 5 to 3)?

    The one from work. I think he likes me.

    Does that mean we may be seeing less of you in the future? 😉

    Get his number. I hear that 6 and 3 types are trouble, and I don’t want to think about two 8 types together.

    Well, Sara is not that good either.

    Underneath that pugnacious exterior I am sure Sara is just fine. But tell anyone that I said that and I will deny it.

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  232. on May 12, 2009 at 9:20 am contrarian

    Kamal S.

    I believe that I have been saying “testing”, you said “shit testing”, your lack of discernment and reading into things ill behooves you.

    What else is testing supposed to refer to in the context of a romantic relationship?

    All that I can say is this; almost every single woman in my life from all of my sisters (and I have 4) to my mother, grandmothers, girlfriends, and female platonic friends, of sundry racial backgrounds, religions (and lack thereof) and social-economic backgrounds (women who grew up in ghettos, grew up in trailer parks, grew up middle class in the suburbs, and upper middle class) have on an occasional basis, and sometimes more frequently, tested the boundaries of their relationship with me, and indeed directly tested me, in various ways.

    Perhaps you should try interacting with normal people for a change.

    Any man who has had more than one sister, growing up, would realize what I’m talking about. They constantly test you. It is possible that your life could be rather exceptional.

    I have an older sister and I cannot recall a single instance where some kind of “testing” would have taken place.

    Life can be seen through more nuanced lenses than I believe you are currently seeing it. Things are matters of degrees. I’m not saying you need to walk around strutting with your chest sticking out seeking every acid laced test of your mettle, but yes, avoidance of life’s tests is a sign of weakness. To the degree that we as men realize this, and confront things more often in an assertive manner, to that degree we grow inwardly.

    Gosh, you’re absolutely right. I’m such a weakling for not wanting to get into a relationship with a woman who “tests” me for shits and giggles (and remember, there’s nothing else in life that matters except what kind of women you’re dating).

    She challenged him in ways that no other woman could, and he was the only man strong enough for her.

    Strength doesn’t mean what you think it means. I am suddenly reminded of feminists who spout bullshit like “men are intimidated by her because she’s just too strong and independent for them!” which is just another way of saying that she is likely an insufferable bitch.

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  233. on May 12, 2009 at 9:26 am Bhetti

    NotReallyTokyo:
    I think you will like this, get ‘Cultural suppression of female sexuality’ from here. It’ll be interesting for you to see how your views fit in with their theories, especially with regards to ‘male control’ views.

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  234. on May 13, 2009 at 11:52 am Nikon

    Back in the mid 1990’s I saw Anthony Keidis and some blond punk rock chick walking down the street in Chinatown, NYC. My girl and I (and quite a few others) all recognized him but we were really surprised at how fucking short the dude was.

    He can’t be taller than 5’4″, 5’5″ tops.

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  235. on May 14, 2009 at 2:26 am Eman

    ” “Perfectly fine. Kids are great,” I lied.”

    Fuck you Roissy – I thought you were about preserving Western culture and White people?

    KIDS ARE GREAT, especially WHITE kids…especially LOTS of White kids so our White countries aren’t eventually swamped by billions of non-Whites and their kids.

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  236. on May 14, 2009 at 2:03 pm Kamal S.

    Contrarian”

    .. (and remember, there’s nothing else in life that matters except what kind of women you’re dating).

    I assume that you jest, and are being facetious and sarcastic. I hold this assumption because you seem too intelligent to actually not be facetious here. If you were actually serious, then with all due respect, it is an utterly idiotic sentiment and simply not worth further comment.

    One with any inner worth has more complex and nuanced priorities than the kind of mate they have in their lives. People who measure themselves by others suffer from a delusion.

    You seem more intelligent than this, so I assume sarcasm. Fine, great sense of humor, but your import is lost on me as its target because, frankly, my priorities are considerably more complex than just the kind of woman I am, or as the case currently stands, am not, dating. So you tilt at a windmill, in accordance with your prejudices. So be it.

    As to testing, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there are more nuanced grades of tests than what PUA types call “shit tests” – and I think calling them shit tests is idiotic anyway because it comes from a stupid competitive mindset. But arguing the point is tiring. And lost on the recipient.

    So we are at an impasse, you seem to be a type of straight shooting guy who sees things primarily in black and white, with no nuances of gray in between. Fine, but you also seem to read into my words what you expect to find, and to project upon your .. eh.. conversational sparing partners instead of being receptive to what they are actually saying. Which is also fine but not exactly becoming of you.

    I think that others got my point (I think, eh, Sara I if I recall) but perhaps I simply haven’t conveyed my point adequately. In any case it seems that no real communication is possible between us, at least on this particular point. It’s a small pity, but realizing this saves both of us from further time wasting. After all, tou are entitled to an opinion based on your life’s experience, and I am entitled to mine.

    My opinion is based on my experience of the world and life. An experience in which I have undergone testing of sorts from many people, and experiences, tests that bettered me as a man, sharpened me, caused me to see the world in different ways. If you do not think that what I see as strength is actually strength then, frankly, so what? If I am wrong then I’ll recognize it eventually, and grow from it. If I am right then the point is moot.

    And maybe test is an inadequate word.. so try “challenge”. I have been challenged and I am grateful for challenges, from the death of a friend or parent, to playful sporting challenges from siblings, being assaulted and beaten, and having to fight back, to accidents, to verbal challenges from an intimate partner – challenges to see if I am being real, and am being authentic. Challenges that may be subtle, or bitchy. Where my challengers struck bullshit inside of me, I’ve had the humility to recognize it, and where they struck an authentic core of me, my challengers recognized it. Either way I have learned, continue to learn, and am happy and at home in this worldview. So even if I am incorrect, it seems to benefit me as I improve myself and grow.

    Can you possibly, utter lacking generosity, fault me in this? Perhaps you can. Perhaps you are right, but I do not think so.. at least not for me. Basically if your worldview works for you, and enhances your life, then I can hardly fault you. My view on this matter works for me. I see weakness and cowardice in avoiding certain types of tests. You do not. I govern my life by my own code, you are welcome to govern yours differently. You hardly need my permission, and I certainly do not need yours.

    My opinion that I am correct, at least within the context I see things in, and your apparent incapacity to comprehend what I am actually writing, signals a basic inability for us to communicate further on this point. It’s no real comfort to me, but I have little invested either way in winning your approval, or others, in a verbal spat on someone else’s blog.

    So to you your way, and to me mine, and have a wonderful day.

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  237. on May 14, 2009 at 2:11 pm Kamal S.

    Bhetti,

    I guessed Misri or possibly Khaliji.

    Why? You seem to have a certain… cute and assertive snitishness, sitting on top of a very feminine core. A slightly hard crust, on top of a soft surrendering inside..

    Misri girls tend to be a bit more.. confrontational than Khalijis… but both have an underlying femininity.

    You also seem somewhat progressively minded, and a bit secular in your outlook. Oh, and you are also a medical student, and frankly the only ‘Arab girls I’ve ever met who go to medical school tend to be Misri or Khaliji. This has been in my small experience.
    I could be totally wrong on all accounts, of course.

    ‘inti min Dubai aw Bahrain?
    (excuse my rather poor arabic)

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  238. on May 14, 2009 at 3:17 pm sara I

    Bhetti

    Sara: You don’t need to meet Kimberly Stewart to know that you were very wise not to risk tangling with that genetic material. Maybe your internal DNA alarm went off.

    The Youtube vids seem to be disabled at the moment, but I can only imagine. If his spawn are doing reality shows, that’s enough of a clue. To say I have no regrets in not succumbing to his “star power” is an understatement.

    I feel so catty. Meow.

    Don’t deny your inner pussy cat just cuz it scares the boys, not that you are.

    Default User

    I think Roissy is a three because he’s such a poser and image freak. Average fives are more introverted than roissy and roissy is definitely average at best.

    As far as the guy from work taking me away from all this; the jury is still way out on that one. We are both experiencing huge financial problems and helping each other get through it. In his words talking and being with me feels comfortable and natural. I feel I “know” him, which is a kind of red flag cuz I really don’t. I think he’s a six besides. My father again, which is not all bad if he’s a healthier six but like I said….the jury is still out.

    I don’t want to think about two 8 types together.

    Two eights together has been described as “the clash of the titans”. The only way it can work is if they have strong wings that are different. In my case I could get along well with an eight with a seven wing. One of my “bosses” is that type and we get along great. I actually get along great with other eights, but more as friends.

    Underneath that pugnacious exterior I am sure Sara is just fine. But tell anyone that I said that and I will deny it.

    Underneath I’m as soft as jelly and too vulnerable compared to my normal vigilance. Being in love brings out the softness in everyone. An eight, unfortunately reacts quite aggressively when betrayed though. It’s not so pretty.

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  239. on May 14, 2009 at 4:24 pm Default Enneagram

    sara I

    Underneath I’m as soft as jelly and too vulnerable compared to my normal vigilance. Being in love brings out the softness in everyone. An eight, unfortunately reacts quite aggressively when betrayed though. It’s not so pretty.
    </blockquote.

    In other words: don’t crack the shell if you aren’t going to make the omelet.

    I think Roissy is a three because he’s such a poser and image freak. Average fives are more introverted than roissy and roissy is definitely average at best.

    I find it hard to believe that a five could ever become a true player, though they might be good at dissecting the game.

    As far as the guy from work taking me away from all this; the jury is still way out on that one…

    If it does work out don’t just dump us (I know you hate pump ‘n’ dump), stick around. Indeed invite him here because if he is with you he is going to need his A game. 😉

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  240. on May 14, 2009 at 4:25 pm Default Loser

    I messed up my blockquote…
    …again

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  241. on May 19, 2009 at 2:12 pm Kamal S.

    Ah, maurice !

    interesting about the history. I’d partially agree about the Elizabethan era being one for male “pickup” – although “foppery” might not be the right concept. perhaps out less foppish age reads something into that manner of dress and behavior that was not perceived as such at that time. I read pickup and game (or the basic principles therein) as male reaction to female choosiness/power, so those male behaviors would come around in periods of female empowerment.
    What other historical periods do you think fit that bill? And what about the translation of that into non-Western cultures?

    Elanor of Aquitaine, Queen of France in the 12th Century. A very, very, fascinating period of French history.
    There are others, a few periods in Chinese and early Japanese imperial history, but the cult of chivalry and courtly love, the fidilis de amor, that found its highest expression in Elanor’s circles and continued to evolve therefrom, set the stage for the highly refined, and decadent, types of seduction games and general foppery in later periods of French courtly history.

    “Taming of the Shrew” is required reading. (Apropos of a non-foppish Elizbethan male role model….)

    But of course !

    Sara: Saints are as necessary as rakes, and a real saint is quite alive. They form poles on a balance, when one is missing society falls into an extreme, either of great prudery and repression, or rather disfunctional and banal licentiousness in which nothing gets done.

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  242. on November 20, 2009 at 8:04 pm Nutz

    Props to Roissy. I had a similar encounter with a MILF that didn’t disclose her status as a parent until the next morning so I know that moment of anxiety when he learned the truth. I more or less freaked the morning after I picked up the chick at the local dive bar in my home town when I noticed a picture of her 3 kids on the table next to the couch, along with a few pics of the kids with dear old dad. She assured me they were separated and the kids were with him for the weekend. I gathered my things, had her drop my friend and I off at our houses (he banged my girl’s sister), and never saw or heard from her again.

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  243. on December 24, 2009 at 9:24 am Patterns « Roissy in DC

    […] a woman I’ve been with later had kids. A couple of women already had kids went I met them (weekend flings), but I’m pretty sure my despoilation of them convinced them not to have any further […]

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  244. on June 30, 2010 at 12:05 pm Gorbachev

    Women with children lie about them all the time. Because men don’t want to trouble themselves over it or the women are used goods or they’re not interested in the hassle.

    Okay, from both sides – how is this news?

    And why should men care?

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  245. on June 30, 2010 at 12:07 pm Gorbachev

    @contrarian

    roissy

    I wonder how a beta male would have responded to such a request? “Stop being silly, honeybunny, I’m not going to hit on another woman. That’s just WRONG. I’m with *you* now.”

    That’s kind of how how monogamous relationships are supposed to work.

    Are they now?

    Then why would she have asked this in the first place? Let me know your theory.

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  246. on June 30, 2010 at 12:31 pm Nico

    I’ve started reading Les Liaisons dangereuses again. Your posts really remind me of his letters.

    Choderlos de Laclos was similarly concerned with the decline of moral standards.

    I baught his biography on Amazon. I am wondering whether he might be a malignant narcissist because he seems to have an extraordinary intuitive knowledge of manipulation.

    You can learn to see the world through the cognitive lenses of a manipulator (like players do), but it was more difficult to find textbooks about manipulation at that time I believe.

    Apparently, he may have come across a few unsavory people when he stayed in Grenoble before starting working on his book, whom he used as role models for Valmont and Merteuil.

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  247. on June 30, 2010 at 1:10 pm Science Continues Proving Me Right « Citizen Renegade

    […] This should disprove the notion (propounded most often by Satoshi Kanazawa at Psychology Today) that women do all the choosing in the dating market. In fact, they don’t. Men actively choose against dating and fucking fat chicks, old chicks, and, in some cases, single moms. […]

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