Three Macbooks

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Three Macbooks

May 10, 2009 by CH

I’m sitting here in a coffeehouse and to my right are three people — a black man, a white woman, and a white man — sitting adjacent on a couch. All three are haughtily typing on Macbooks propped on their knees.

I stare at them, smiling. “Ha, you guys look like a commercial.” I point my finger at each Macbook. A woman seated across from me suppresses a giggle.

The black guy and the white woman grin at my perspicacity. The white guy does not smile. He furrows his brow at me, clearly displeased that I have made a mockery of his lame SWPL status whoring. I smile at him in return.

There is no escaping tribalism.

Lenovo Thinkpad. That’s a real man’s laptop.

Posted in Beta, Culture, The Big City Life | 375 Comments

375 Responses

on May 10, 2009 at 12:06 pm BeEASY

I agree with you, but I still bought a Macbook Pro some time ago simply because I like the aesthetics of Apple products. I don’t delude myself that it makes me a more creative or smarter person.

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:16 pm Colin

Reading this on a MacBook unibody. Thing is built like a rock and miles better than my last laptop, a Sony Vaio. Yeah, it’s total SWPL but I love it.

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:18 pm tennyson

Roissy, take a picture of them and post that shit.

The black guy and woman will be cool with it, but I just wanna see that shriveled beta SWPL wimpy “man” furrow his brow in annoyance with his vagina face.

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:21 pm bilbo

Agree with you on this.

But the problem is, Windows just blows so much, and Linux is, well Linux.

Unless you’re an omega with loads of time on your hands to deal with all that computer shit, why would you deal with Linux.

The Mac OS is just so much better.

Someone needs to come up with an OS that’s just as good or better than Mac’s but without all that gay SWPL baggage.

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:26 pm PA

I use a PC both at work and at home. I’m familiar with Macs but just bought a PC laptop simply because I’m more uesd to them. So WTF is it with the Mac/PC thing?

Still the same internet, file storage, Office, Adobe… right?

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:30 pm Madras

What type of real man goes to Tryst with his laptop?

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:34 pm Welmer

Heh. I use a Mac because I can’t stand Windows. If I used a PC regularly, I’d install Linux. A Unix-based OS is just better — I can use bash commands and grep in Terminal, which is quite helpful.

That said, most people are basically using a computer as a word processor/gaming device. No need to spend too much on a Mac for that. But I guess they do look nice.

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:56 pm Firepower

higher status people, like black males and white females, can afford to be gracious to a jibe, while those with lesser social value will be defensive

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on May 10, 2009 at 12:56 pm Roosh

Finally you got a laptop

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:04 pm doug1

Madras–

What type of real man goes to Tryst with his laptop?

Answer: almost all of them.

(I’m not familiar with that particular non chain coffee house, but it makes little difference if they have wi-fi.)

Your question is like asking twenty years ago what type of real man goes to a classic coffee house with a newspaper or book.

Answer: almost all of them.

Now if attending to your laptop rendition of newspapers or google’s news feeds, or blogs of choice or whatever, makes you oblivious to the social dynamics of the place and any hot girls that may be worth gaming — if you’re on the lookout for someone new — that’s another question.

Alpha’s don’t have to be hard on the hunt 24/7 you know.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:07 pm doug1

Roosh —

Finally you got a laptop

Says Roosh, banging it out on his laptop in a coffee house in Bogota.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:18 pm Harrison Powers

I have owned two Thinkpads, a T43 and T61P. There is nothing I could do with those laptops that I cannot do better with my new MacBook Pro. My MacBook emulates Windows XP and runs every app you believe makes your system superior.

Old Macs may have not been ideal for business use because of the previous incompatability with Windows-based programs. But with the intel chips that Macs now don, this incompatability does not exist.

Sure, it is prettier. That does not make it a bad product! People enjoy aesthetics, why do you think people buy nice cars? Because they look AND run better.

“A real man’s laptop”? More like an ugly POS that cannot run unix based apps. Stop this idiotic Windows fanboyism. It is obvious you do not know how to use a Mac.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:22 pm bilbo

http://www.trystdc.com/

Check out the website.

That picture on the first page of the site should give you a good indication of the type of people that congregate there.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm Thras

Good god, it’s like a SWPL convention in here.

Windows, OS X, and Linux all run more than one app at the same time. What else do you really need your operating system to do?

I’ve got a Lenovo Thinkpad as well, and I really recommend it. For a while I was recommending Macs to all the people who asked me what computer they should buy, but the price difference is just too much. You’re paying 2-3x as much for a Mac.

The price difference is all accounted for by the insane anti-Vista advertising campaign of the past couple years. It was dreamed up in some marketing guy’s head. In reality, all operating systems suck pretty much equally. Except for Linux, which sucks even more.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:28 pm Madras

Ha…wow. There is an “Artist Alley” there. That place is worse than I thought. Yeah, I bet what really makes someone a beta swpl douche is the fact they brought a mac there…not that they were there to begin with.

“I will go to the trendy coffee house and write about masculanity…wait for it…on my lenovo!!!”

Get to NoVa and chug some beers with straight males or STFU.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:39 pm Grammar nazi

For once, I agree. Mine is a T500.

@Welmer — get a life, there are packages of popular unix command-line tools built for native Windows, and if not there’s always cygwin to fall back on. I use command line for every task in Windows which I encounter more than once a week.

@Thras — Vista did its own counter-advertising quite successfully. Know that joke about Wine running more Windows programs than Vista? BTW, operating systems (except Linux) don’t suck, users suck.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:43 pm doug1

Firepower —

higher status people, like black males and white females, can afford to be gracious to a jibe, while those with lesser social value will be defensive

You’re conclusion about higher status people and jibes is generally right, but you’re putting white females and blacks en mass in a higher status category than white males is absurd. That is the effort that Hollywood is currently making, bless their hearts, but it’s still absurd.

Depends what the female looks like and how alpha vs beta the respective males are.

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:58 pm David Alexander

Lenovo Thinkpad. That’s a real man’s laptop.

Roissy has good taste in laptops.

David Alexander’s real life ego sometimes posts from a R50e ThinkPad. He also has two ThinkPads, a 570E and X20 with broken monitors and keyboards that currently sit under his bed. He’s pondering whether he should buy another cheap lightweight X-Series laptop to replace the other two broken models. Despite the bad luck with ThinkPads, he still finds them to be superior to the other laptops on the market, and will continue to purchase them because of clitmouse which is much easier to use than crappy third rate trackpads. While Mac OS X seems like a nice operating system to use, David prefers the design of the ThinkPads for some reason…

BTW, if one is buying a ThinkPad, pay for the T series over the R Series. The cheaper plastics of the R Series can be a burden if left in the hands of slightly clueless younger brothers…

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on May 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm RW

Meh, I’ve used windoze and macs for many operating systems ago and it’s pointless to argue how getting a Thinkpad is so great with all the spam and virus garbage a mere mouseclick away.

But I will say that other than being a bitch to Bill Gates, flaunting the current Macbook gets you in the top 10 of beta certitude. For being a freaking poseur.

If I want to run windoze on my macbook pro, I can but it’s not something desirable.

And Vista, what a dog.

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:04 pm Firepower

doug1 –

like it or not, but Hollywood is the current arbiter of taste, convention – and thus, reality – to the Wii generation and beyond.

It is not just Hollywood, but all media – art, “news”, music, tv commercials, sports and even education.

The thoughts of wise men are overshadowed by a cgi explosion or a hackneyed tale of wiser superheros saving us from our environmental abuse. The realities these calculated media messages impress upon the subconscious of an ill-educated populace can’t be wished away. One can see it daily in the smarmy mewlings of white ‘puas’ who emo-around with self-loathing.

generalities are all that’s allowed on forum/blog postings so of course, it does not necessarily apply to ALL persons or every instance we witness.

Compare white popular music to rap/hip hop. Even though I identify with the latter, I cannot change tribes even though I know the stately columns of Rome ended as urinals for the bearskin underwear crowd.

perception is reality –

Propaganda is effective.

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:21 pm Peter

To anyone claiming one’s better than the other, HOW is an OS better than any other? As long as they don’t crash, run the programs you need, and are cheap (there’s one thing where Windows has the advantage), the rest is just social signaling and clannishness.

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:37 pm M with the dot

I’ve got a Thinkpad tablet with the original IBM logo.
I run OSX on it.

I win.

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:40 pm Todd

“Lenovo Thinkpad. That’s a real man’s laptop.”

Defining your sexual orientation through an inanimate object?

…There’s and app for that.™

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm doug1

Firepower —

No it actually hasn’t been very effective.

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:48 pm ironrailsironweights

I hear that Tryst has a new menu item.

Peter

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:49 pm seth

ok i always knew u were a overcompensating try-hard dork but despite that i enjoy reading the site. Sometimes after reading various posts i gave u the benefit of the doubt and figured maybe u only came across that way on the internet and not in real life. however, posts like these just confirm it 100%.

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:50 pm Grammar nazi

@DA: > pay for the T series over the R Series
R series not worth considering ITT, no status value.

@RW: sure, spam and viruses are a mouseclick away if you’re dumb. You can also lend your MacBook to a panhandler, or mail $10,000 to a Nigerian bank ex-officer. Or buy some American asset-backed securities, for that matter.

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:55 pm Firepower

doug1

if u say so

thanks for a sound rebuttal

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on May 10, 2009 at 2:59 pm doug1

Debate, status jockeying, and display of knowledgeable discernment — of OPERATING SYSTEMS and laptop brands — on a PUA blog!!

Talk about true colors.

Talk about congenial area of focus.

Christ, even Peter’s link is a relief. (Actually, this time she’s a damn fine looking woman and not even bad down there, considering.)

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:01 pm Firepower

those 3 macbook commercial clones are a citified constant.

They fan out both to and fro amidst college towns. Only when rural folk go wifi will the circle be complete. Or, shall I say, the encirclement

once i learned that teens, who espouse non-conformity the loudest, are the BIGGEST followers

explaining the rest of the cohorts rapidly fell into place

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:02 pm Etty

bickering over computer software is alpha as fuck. christ on a bike…

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:09 pm Gunslingergregi

Fuck Apple,ibm,microsoft, etc.

Make a video game based os.

Regards,

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:12 pm Default User

Sissies. This is a real computer. I hear it will run Vista, but slowly. No word on the laptop version though.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:16 pm maurice

Something tells me today’s thread is unlikely to attract much female commentary.

Yeah, Apple products of all kinds are SWPL faves. I have never owned an Apple computer – I always disliked the closed architetcture, the overpricing, and the cultlike following. The first two of these have moderated somewhat in recent years – but the third is stronger than ever. I have to say, though, my decades-long anti-Steve-Jobs bias melted away within hours of getting my first iPod touch. No arguing with an awesome product …

I think my next laptop is going to have Linux – even if you aren’t the type to get under your computer’s hood, so to speak, to customize everything, there are some distros (Ubuntu) with basic support (canonical) that are friendlier to non-super-geeks. Openoffice.org has almost everything that the other can do – but I think that many games and other apps still cannot be used on Linux. But it’s free ….

It’s also a myth that a given Apple OS is inherently more secure. It’s not – it’s safer from virus attackes because Apple has 2-3% of the market, so most of the viruses are aimed at Windows because it’s the dominant OS. And along those lines, Linux users are likely to experience even fewer problems. Fear the penguin!

now let’s get back to disscussing females again …! yeesh.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm God

I knew there were a bunch of Linux bitches & Mac faggots reading this blog. Time to whip up a new, stronger plague.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:20 pm Gunslingergregi

I see roosh is posting lol which you can’t do on his site anymore. Oh well. I see kassy posted about 15 bloggers posting and how she can’t keep up lol Don’t become a big pussy Roissy. Just like when you erased my posts like contrarian. I guess to make me go crazy. I am already fucking crazy lol

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:21 pm whiskey

PA — Macs don’t need anti-virus, connect easier to Wi-Fi networks (particularly against Vista), crash less, use RAM more efficiently, and have applications that are easier to use.

Macs also (through either Macports or Fink) can use thousands of FREE Linux software ported to the Darwin architecture. [You just have to install the Developer tools and Xcode on your Mac.] Cygwin is a PITA to install and use. It can be done, but it’s a pain.

For example, around 3 Gb RAM is required to use Vista properly, while an older Mac (like this one I’m typing on) can use 1 GB with Mac OS X 10.5 “Leopard” quite easily.

If you’ve ever struggled to do anything on the internet with Symantec/Norton installed on a PC, you know what’s happening. Anti-Virus programs suck up RAM, make your computer slow, and often crash it while preventing you from doing things you want to do on the internet, like read your pop email. Windows of course is even worse with Web Development, even with the “WAMP” utilities that pretend to install Apache, MySQL, and PHP in one go. Linux is of course easiest to get Web Development up and running (usually one-click installs for Distributions like Ubuntu) but Macs are a close second. And the Macs have outstanding programming editors like TextMate and TextWrangler (and of course the free X11 Emacs). Macs also run easily the latest OpenOffice.

The problem with Macs is that they are overpriced and the kind of signaling that Roissy made fun of with the SWPL getting ticked (because he was the only guy it was important to signal) is just going to be unaffordable. Top of the line MacBook Pros cost easily $2,500 or more. You can get an equivalent HP (17 inch) from Office Depot for around $550 or so. Just install Linux.

I think HP will start offering that in it’s consumer line broadly, already Wal-Mart sells a lot of Linux based laptops and the Asus EEE PC dominates that category because price is king there. And Windows won’t run on the cheap minis. Other choices include getting a buddy to install Linux for you, just following instructions for Ubuntu Linux (lots of support, well documented, easy install routines). Some folks are even running “Hackintoshes” with Frankenstein-ed installs of Mac OSX on Intel machines. I don’t recommend it.

Peter — the advantage is the Apps. GIMP will do everything Photoshop will do, except four color pre-press separation, and it’s free. It installs easily in Linux/Mac, terrible PITA to get installed on Windows. The latest Abiword is a breeze to install on Linux, and won’t install at all on Windows or Macs. [Abiword compares well with say, WriteNow Professional or Mariner Write.] On Ubuntu for example installing Gimp is a one click install, and Photoshop can cost $600 or more. Both Macs and Linux can print to PDF without any additional software, with Vista/XP you have to buy Adobe Distiller. That’s real handy if you need to print a web page to disk for later browsing offline. On the other hand, Games are more available on Windows machines.

A hidden advantage is Linux’s flexibility in reading/writing to old filesystems. For example, I’ve used Linux to recover old Apple HFS formatted Zip Disk data files, and write them to NTFS formatted volumes. You can also emulate Mac OS 7-8 and run Hypercard apps on Linux using Basilisk II, which a lot of old educational and scientific apps do.

Overall, though, I think the status signaling through expensive toys like Macbook Pros/Airs, Iphones, etc. is coming to an end. Making game all the more important. Apple will either charge a $150 premium for integration or design over comparable Windows machines, or cease to exist. Heck TOYOTA posted a $7 billon QUARTER loss on Friday, and Toshiba was not far behind. Making money off SWPL yuppies eager to show status is not a sure thing anymore.

Firepower — good analysis. White guys who do not have something special going on (indie musician, athlete, minor celebrity) sit at the bottom status wise below even a fat White girl and definitely below the Black guy. That’s just the way society operates.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:30 pm Anonymous

i know of several people who’s thinkpads broke very quickly. glad i went with the macbook. there’s no tribalism when the product is just better.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:32 pm Thras

Abiword and GIMP both install fine on Windows. They also suck shit, so it’s a bit of a moot point.

Besides, what are “real men” doing using anything but vi?

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm Chuck

funny…

as far as swpl goes, my neighbor across the street yesterday was mowing his lawn with his infant daughter strapped into a papoose across his chest. ridiculous. i tried to get a picture but i couldn’t get a good shot of the swpl in the wild.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:34 pm maurice

yeah, the point of the post is the SWPL snobbishness, cliqueishness, and defensiveness – not the MacBook itself. I guess a number of us bit and had to unload a certain amount of geeky opinion on OSes.

Tryst is kind of predictable in that it attracts that kind of DC-young-professional-cliche person, I guess. I haven’t been there in years, since I lived in Woodley Park before ’02, but I recall there was usually a fair amount of talent there on weekend brunches. So, you know, pluses and minuses …

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm schoolboy

This SWPL phenomenon you guys speak of is interesting…do speak on the subject more.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm biktopia

If you see a person with Lenovo laptop he probably works for IBM.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:43 pm Firepower

gotta point out swpl vis a vis macbook cannot specifically apply bc of the other users roissy mentioned

it has either mutated, or must be something else

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:47 pm seth

Lenovo laptops are the best, most reliable laptops in its class that exist, end of story. I’ve spilled so much water onto mine its not even funny. Just let it sit in the corner for 2 weeks and it works good as new (and the keyboard is cleaner to boot). I’ve dropped this thing dozens of times, works fine. Try doing any of that to a mac.

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on May 10, 2009 at 3:48 pm contrarian

whiskey

Macs don’t need anti-virus, connect easier to Wi-Fi networks (particularly against Vista), crash less, use RAM more efficiently, and have applications that are easier to use.

XP doesn’t need anti-virus either. I’ve been infected only once during the past 12 years or so, and that was because I was handling illegal software. Until a few weeks ago I had no active anti-virus protection at all (COMODO’s firewall software has anti-virus now, so I’m using that). My XP also never crashes, and it runs for weeks at a time without any issues.

Vista is like diarrhea from a buffalo’s anus, and I’m not even going to get it. I’m waiting for Windows 7.

GIMP will do everything Photoshop will do, except four color pre-press separation, and it’s free.

GIMP is absolutely terrible to use though. Its interface and functionality are based on some kind of dream logic.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:11 pm whiskey

Contrarian — I learned on Gimp not Photoshop. It wasn’t easy, it’s interface is not intuitive, it does the same as $600 Photoshop for free. That to me makes it great. It also does screen capture on Linux machines, great for documentation and so on. There is a script you can apply to make it look/act like Photoshop. But for $600 I’d go with Gimp.

XP is sure better than Vista, but DOES need anti-Virus if you open e-mal attachments or share files. That’s how most of the folks I know who got viruses on XP got them, from clueless users who they collaborate with, co-workers, clients, etc. sending them Microsoft Office documents, emails, etc. that have viruses. IE is also a POS browser with about a gazillion security holes to hack your computer. Firefox has issues but not as many as IE.

If you do thumbnail images for web design, Linux is the way to go because it’s easier. You can use Imagemagick to create far better thumbnails than Gimp/Photoshop, and best of all script them, i.e. drop them in a folder and have a script just run from the command line to automatically create the thumbnails. You can do this on Windows but Cygwin is a PITA, you always get the latest/best builds on Linux.

This goes to ripping DVDs to soundtracks. If I buy the DVD, I don’t want to waste $$ buying the CD soundtrack. I just use the Linux tools, vobcopy, ffmpeg, Audacity to rip the vob to the hard drive, rip the m4a or mp3 audio track to the hard drive, and use Audacity to simply create an m4a or mp3 file for my Ipod. This is great particularly for stuff that’s not available on CD, like for older DVDs. The later builds of Audacity can read/write m4a (AAC audio) so if you like that format it’s easy. All are free so you can save your $$$. You can also use Audacity to record old vinyl records, good for rare stuff not issued on CD, and create MP3s. Just edit the file the way you want, split out to tracks, etc. You can save them as AIFF files and write to CD, play in any CD player, or save them directly as .mp3 or m4a (AAC) and put them on your Ipod, no importing from CD required. All that of course is free. You can run all that on Vista/XP, but it’s just easier on Linux (or Mac OS X).

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:13 pm jackson

What OS you use does matter. I’m not living without package management and a real terminal.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:14 pm vomit

Where is the alphaness in obsessing over what kind of laptop someone has and what kind of category it puts them in? Alpha is doing your own thing and refraining from judging others. What they do really shouldn’t matter to you.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:17 pm z

The Macbooks are to a modern day coffe-shop are what sitting around the college library and reading “The Atlantic Monthly” or even “Rolling Stone” were in 1984. It screams out, “hey Im a thinking person of the correct political and social attitudes—and I’m a serious thinker”, et cetera.

I wouldn’t be suprised if the white guy had those little undersized glasses (or wears little undersized John Lennon-sunglasses) to make himself look “intellectual”.

These little rubber-duckey men, with their grungy beards, no muscles, T-shirts with smart-ass remarks emblazoned on them, sandals, and relaxed-fit jeans (relaxed because they have skinny-legs because they get no excercise) are a product of an society that has lost touch with nature. I can picture him there now, drinking some kind of expensive coffee with soy milk or some other such abomination.

What he needs is a shot of something like this, http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/__ZAwho6T_SE/SF2Emq0VX2I/AAAAAAAAAF4/bIx4lkbwEag/Rita%2BFaltoyano%2B0031.jpg&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YI_Tzd5a1a2jshGHA54RHQ&usg=__yi2D5GcKXmNSQAgZmzAiyp9Phh0=&h=600&w=398&sz=10&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=cy4kpfIxm14_9M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drita%2Bfaltoyano%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
to put a little hair on his chest.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:21 pm RW

“I knew there were a bunch of Linux bitches & Mac faggots reading this blog. Time to whip up a new, stronger plague.”

I see someone woke up with a hangover after the failures of another Saturday night.

Shoot, Linux rules even if I don’t have it and Mac is and has been just solid and the best user OS for a long time now.

Bring your bitch ass windoze here and I’ll shove it down your throat and make you choke on the CD. And that would be an improvement.

As for Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot – excellent post. But boy did you go all out and that’s probably overkill for most folks here.

Bottom line, you can run full windoze on macs now not some half crippled pirate mac os version on pc.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:28 pm RW

“These little rubber-duckey men, with their grungy beards, no muscles, T-shirts with smart-ass remarks emblazoned on them, sandals, and relaxed-fit jeans (relaxed because they have skinny-legs because they get no excercise) are a product of an society that has lost touch with nature.”

…. or why I moved out of the East Village.

These little smart ass bastards like to believe they are cutting edge but they can’t even beat a girl their own weight arm wrestling.

They are united in their belief of superiority in their spastic numbers, poseur chicks that are more self-absorbed then they and voting for a spineless urban beta poseur like Obama.

Sissy power. Little fuckers. They are bringing this nation down faster than anyone thought possible.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:29 pm doug1

Whiskey —

Firepower — good analysis. White guys who do not have something special going on (indie musician, athlete, minor celebrity) sit at the bottom status wise below even a fat White girl and definitely below the Black guy. That’s just the way society operates.

In what universe is that true?

What exactly is your evidence for this?

Why then are less than 1% of white woman marriages to black men? Why aren’t most of the beautiful white women going that way instead of the tiniest numbers?

Why aren’t black male/white female dating numbers through the roof instead of a somewhat increased small stream?

You often take a position of vast exaggeration with a view to wanting things to get so bad than an apocalyptic explosion much occur. I might not be so adverse to some sort of revolution either, but I like to try to have a reasonably accurate grasp of current reality.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:32 pm High School Bully

Look at how defensive the Linux nerds get over what software people are using on a fucking computer. Like a bunch of hysterical women. Guess you guys are all still traumatized from all the high school asskickings… dorks.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:36 pm schoolboy

Doug:

“You often take a position of vast exaggeration with a view to wanting things to get so bad than an apocalyptic explosion much occur. ”

People just want society to collapse already.

For reason’s of their own.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm David Alexander

while an older Mac (like this one I’m typing on)

I call shens. Whiskey is much to Scottish/Scots-Irish to use a Mac.

I’d switch to a Mac desktop, but Mac mini is underpowered and expensive, and the iMacs are all in one units that are too rigid for my tastes. In other words, I want Apple to come out with a desktop that isn’t expensive and has Core i7. Yeah, it’s energy efficient and quiet, but some of us want more power to run our software, and want the flexibility of using an alternative monitor. Then I’d consider switching over along with the hassle of getting Office, Photoshop, Adobe Lightroom, and Sim City 4 for Mac. Otherwise, for my 6 year old Dell PC, it’s going to see another replacement by a Dell once Windows 7 is available.

I should add that if you’re a power user, just using Firefox and Thunderbird and keeping your internet connection behind a basic router should be enough to keep most malware off your computer from my experience.

BTW, I am a iPod Touch owner, so I am not blatantly anti-Apple. Nor am I anti-open source. I use VLC for porn and Pigdin for IMs.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:40 pm doug1

XP is sure better than Vista, but DOES need anti-Virus if you open e-mal attachments or share files.

Oh for god’s sake. You people are determined, aren’t you?

Yes a free and lean anti virus is a good idea. There’s one clear best choice, AVG’s free addition anti-virus. Windows Defender (which is a separately downloadable component that ships w/Vista) is also a good idea to run under XP as a simple auto updating anti spyware device. Make sure auto updating of XP is turned on. If new or re-installing get SP3 downloaded and on disk and update XP to that before you long onto the net with the new install (since it will have the bulk of the security updates to date in it). Vista was released too early due to product cycle pressures. They had to do a start over about 1.5 years before release so despite all the time, most of the time was spent on a torn up and discarded version. By all accounts e.g. from Leo Laporte or really his various guests mostly, Windows 7 looks to be really good and notably faster on the same hardware than Vista, comparable to XP in speed and lack of hardware requirements, actually.

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on May 10, 2009 at 4:41 pm Madras

“The Macbooks are to a modern day coffe-shop are what sitting around the college library and reading “The Atlantic Monthly” or even “Rolling Stone” were in 1984. It screams out, “hey Im a thinking person of the correct political and social attitudes—and I’m a serious thinker”, et cetera.

I wouldn’t be suprised if the white guy had those little undersized glasses (or wears little undersized John Lennon-sunglasses) to make himself look “intellectual”.

These little rubber-duckey men, with their grungy beards, no muscles, T-shirts with smart-ass remarks emblazoned on them, sandals, and relaxed-fit jeans (relaxed because they have skinny-legs because they get no excercise) are a product of an society that has lost touch with nature. I can picture him there now, drinking some kind of expensive coffee with soy milk or some other such abomination. ”

This is all exactly right. But isn’t it really true for anyone on any laptop sitting in a fucking coffee shop? I walk into coffee shops, order somethng and leave.

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on May 10, 2009 at 5:03 pm doug1

RW–

Sissy power. Little fuckers. They are bringing this nation down faster than anyone thought possible.

Blame feminists in the media and educational establishment, and allied leftists, although these later take a backseat and say yes mam to the feminists on this. That’s where it comes from. Whether you’re bored hearing that or not it’s true.

Feminists have targeted white men in propagandizing against macho and masculine virtues and in favor of valuing feminism and considering women more equal than men, the better gender in most every way that matters. (By definition — anything men are naturally better at tends to be claimed to be almost equal or swept under the rug, or if pressed, reflexively devalued by feminists, such as physical strength and military combat effectiveness.)

Any male dominance is horrible, probably fascist, and certainly sexist and misogynist — and supposedly will prevent white men from getting laid. As will dissenting from feminism, they’re told or it’s implied by “post feminists”. Men are propagandized to believe that not only is it important that they go to some of their kid’s school functions, attending nearly all of them is crucial to being a good father and certainly more important that work promotions. Besides he should make sure that mommy’s freed up to get those at least as fast.

Ah our feminist media and educational and thus in many ways overall culture.

Feminists backed right off applying all this to black and Latino men after they got lots of racial push back over their attempts to attack and shame on rap lyrics. Just completely withdrew from applying feminism to black men.

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on May 10, 2009 at 5:10 pm DT

A Windows PC is to a Mac as a Ford Taurus is to a Nissan 370Z. Arguing that Windows can do all the same things is like arguing that a Taurus can take you all the same places. That may be true but it completely misses the point. Macs, at both the OS and hardware levels, show a degree of performance and refinement you just don’t find in the Windows world.

The same thing can be said of the iPhone versus other smart phones, or the iPod line versus other MP3 players. It’s the attention to details, the human/machine interface, the performance, and the style. Apple may carry a lot of SWPL baggage. But in their markets they are the top of the line.

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on May 10, 2009 at 5:30 pm DT

I have to add that while I’m a huge fan of Apple’s technology and products, I have no patience for any of the Linux distros. Linux is a complete pain in the ass. It’s designed by lifeless nerds for lifeless nerds. No consideration what so ever is given to the human/machine interface and every user is just expected to know arcane command lines and configuration file settings to accomplish the simplest of tasks. Linux gives the illusion of ease of use in some distros so long as you don’t have to add or change a single thing. The moment you do it all falls apart.

Going by my car analogy, Linux is a Ford Taurus, but completely disassembled on your front lawn.

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on May 10, 2009 at 5:30 pm novaseeker

Thinkpads suck ass.

The only reason to use one is if you are too cheap to buy something other than the inevitable lenovo crap everyone gets at work.

Just a POS crap computer really.

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on May 10, 2009 at 5:42 pm johnnyboy

like i said before,Roissy has so many good ideas he should be allowed to phone in a clunker here or there. He’s prob busy chasing some hi-Grade poon,so he wrote this post. OK,dudes? Lets stop the compuetr talk,OK? Let the pussy-talk commence~

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on May 10, 2009 at 5:47 pm tunacanman

LAPTOPS SHMAPTOPS,

I’m eagerly awaiting the ROISSY analysis of the latest breaking news…

Saudis support slapping…

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/05/10/saudi.court.wife.slapping/index.html

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on May 10, 2009 at 5:59 pm dick fuel

x41t

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:06 pm xsplat

On my dual boot machine nearll all my time on Ubuntu, and rarely use XP if some photoshoping is require,

Ubuntu can be more of a challenge, but with those comes some sense of satisfaction earned. You get attached to it, knowing its open source and community developed. You get a feeling of being a part of an ongoing something or other.

I made the switch after some very trying virus problems on XP. And I’m of the correctly paranoid position that Windows has backdoors in it that make my files vulnerable whatever officials and hackers have access to back-doors. It’s inherently and purposely unsafe.

Open source is inherently safer. I’m a commie computer user.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:09 pm jaakkeli

Saudis support slapping…

That’s news?

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:16 pm chic noir

BEeasyI don’t delude myself that it makes me a more creative or smarter person

Ah yes, branding is the devil. We are sheeple when it comes to these slick Madison avenue advertisers and their “hip don’t you want to be like me campaigns cause I’m cool”.

I prefer dell 🙂

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:18 pm xsplat

Doug

…Any male dominance is horrible, probably fascist, and certainly sexist and misogynist — and supposedly will prevent white men from getting laid…

Yup. I’m no loger pissed abuot it though. All is fair in sex and war, and sex is war. The fact of gender is the war of the sexes for dominance. Women just be doin what women be doin. Blame the men’s for getting soft and weak and stupid. Don’t blame the women’s.

Don’t blame the winners for winning.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:27 pm jaakkeli

Open source is inherently safer. I’m a commie computer user.

Linus Torvalds comes from a notorious pro-Soviet family. Linus sez he’s not like his daddy, but hey, Lenin always said “don’t look at what people say, look at what they do” and Linus isn’t getting super rich. That commie bastard.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:36 pm Strathmore

A real man knows the strengths of both and doesn’t give a damn what others are using, just himself. I spent ten years working on my PC at a weekly basis. Sure I enjoyed it and learned a lot. However, for the last year of Mac ownership, I’ve not had one single problem and I’m enjoying the freedom and seamless effort it takes just to sit down and relax. That doesn’t mean I do not like Windows, and I’m actually still running it on my Mac. You should really get off your kick of trashing a well built machine because you don’t understand it. And if aesthetics of a Mac are your problem, why even compare fat chicks to skinny ones if they both do the same things in the end?

I don’t give a damn what the thing looks like. The fact remains that the same shit that killed my PC on a daily basis runs smooth as hell on my Mac and NEVER needs to be restarted. It was worth every fucking penny.

But while I’m at it, I generally agree with you on most other accounts. Good work!

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:37 pm xsplat

Firepower

like it or not, but Hollywood is the current arbiter of taste, convention – and thus, reality – to the Wii generation and beyond…

As a teen the radio occasionally played some good tunes, but most people knew of good music from their friends album collections.

Don’t over-estimate the power of the media. Word of mouth remains more influencial. The hip make trends, that the media follow – not the reverse.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:37 pm doug1

xsplat —

Blame the men’s for getting soft and weak and stupid. Don’t blame the women’s.

Don’t blame the winners for winning.

Just because something is in the ascendancy for awhile doesn’t mean it has to be forever. I don’t salute feminists just because they’ve won too much, any more than I would have felt obligated to salute or celebrate Stalinists or Nazis for their long lasting in the one case and brief in the other ascendancies.

It couldn’t have happened to nearly the extent it has except by being within the PC almost unchallengeable bubble. It’s all part of the left having such a stranglehold on wide circulation US and by and large Western European media, out of proportion to their political strength.

The idea, promoted and indeed thoroughly assumed by the left and really all of PC, that society only goes in one direction in the big picture, aside form short term ebbs and flows, further towards the left aka towards “social progress” or progressivism, is simply bogus.

The far left eventually receded and lost in Russia and Eastern Europe. Feminism may be moderated as well. Or there could be sharper or more revolutionary change as well.

Certainly that’s what Whiskey’s hoping for.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:39 pm Ubuntu Is For Fags

So xsplat, you’ve read ALL of the Ubuntu source code to be sure there are no backdoors in any part of the OS? If you haven’t, how do you know there aren’t any? Because some dipshit nerd said so?

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm chic noir

WhiskeyWhite guys who do not have something special going on (indie musician, athlete, minor celebrity) sit at the bottom status wise below even a fat White girl and definitely below the Black guy. That’s just the way society operates
Actually Whiskey, blks have their own little possuer show. It comes in the form of jewelry for men as well as having a well-developed muscular body. Goggle Florider, Nelly and LL Cool J. If a black guy dares to walk around without a shirt and has no muscle definition, he will get joked by both men and women. The jewelry, well that’s a well know thing so there is no need to elaborate.

Deep Question from an outsider: Could the ww fascination with blk males be backlash to wm fascination with aw. In other words, it looks like both sides are playing on the others insecurities. For ww it’s body weight and aging and wm it’s peen size and aging.

This goes to ripping DVDs to soundtracks. If I buy the DVD, I don’t want to waste $$ buying the CD soundtrack.
A frugal man, I like I like.
*gives whiskey some dap*
Your comments broke it down Whiskey.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm Glengarry

My computer is a T-800. It’s currently Governor of California but not taking my calls. Damn.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:47 pm xsplat

Contrarian is for Fags

how do you know there aren’t any? Because some dipshit nerd said so?

I don’t know. But someone could know. Open source is open – open to a huge community. That’s preferable, from a security standpoint.

Security is more important than usability to me. And the usability is fine.

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:53 pm PA

TRS-80 and Commodore 64, baby!!!

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on May 10, 2009 at 6:53 pm doug1

tuan, jaakkeli–

That brohaha is about mere slapping? Not beating up or causing injury but only slapping without injury?

Hell, American women slap men all the time.

I thought men were perfectly free in Saudi Arabia to do a lot more than that.

So we in the West are supposed to be in high moral dudgeon that the Saudis don’t follow our own practice of shrugging when women slap men without injury, but possibly arresting men in many Western jurisdictions when they slap a woman without injury?

Brainwashed much?

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:00 pm contrarian

Ubuntu Is For Fags

So xsplat, you’ve read ALL of the Ubuntu source code to be sure there are no backdoors in any part of the OS? If you haven’t, how do you know there aren’t any? Because some dipshit nerd said so?

So now there’s some massive planet-wide conspiracy to hide all the security holes that the source code has?

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:00 pm xsplat

Ya, Doug, I agree that not all of PC and feminism is to be soluted, nor is all of the power and winnings of women. I was attempting to give a different impression. That people try to win, and that women have a different agenda than men. Our agenda’s will never be the same – can never be the same. By saying “don’t blame the winner”, I was not saying “celebrate the winner”. I was saying – find out how to win.

I don’t see the same dichotomy between liberal and conservative, left and right. I don’t see feminism and PC retardation as a liberal/socialist movement, in contrast to a conservative stance on traditional gender and power roles. Conservatives also can be extremely PC, in their social-conservative ways, and can also be very graciously socialist. The gender wars are not a matter of ideologies – they are a matter of everyone for themselves, and my buddies will help me get as much as I can. Women have women buddies. They get as much as they can. Simple as that. Women are born to be catty, to control the social environment through gossip and social pressures – they are the masters of the whole notion of PC. They shame, to control people. That’s not an ideology, it’s a power grab.

And the reason they were able to grab power is the weakness and failings of men.

And yes, times are indeed a changing, and the pendulum is indeed a swinging. No collapse is needed. To everything, turn, turn, burn.

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:02 pm PA

Hell, American women slap men all the time.

To be fair, if a woman slapped me and I pressed charges, she’d be arrested too.

It’s a situation I gave thought to a while ago. I saw a fat middle-aged seacow on the train platform grab some random young guy by his backpack and give him a tug because he stood in her way and didn’t hear her croak “excuuuuse me.” Dumbfounded, he just stepped out of her way.

But I wondered what I’d do. I imagined me glaring at her and saying something, and then her slapping me. What would I do? I wouldn’t slap a middle aged cow in front of 100 people, just wouldn’t feel right.

I figured that the best and most dignity-preserving thing to do when a woman hist me in public would be to sternly tell her that she will immediately apologize for hitting me, or I’ll call the police. Gives her an out, and lets me avoid feeling punked.

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:23 pm chic noir

@PA- forget the apology,just call the cops if she wasn’t justified in slapping you.

doug1
Debate, status jockeying, and display of knowledgeable discernment — of OPERATING SYSTEMS and laptop brands — on a PUA blog
Oh I don’t mind. I’m sure there are plenty of others who are learning new things from this discussion. Better than rehashing the R-word.

ironrailsironweights
I hear that Tryst has a new menu item.
Peter
Why why why did I click, God tell me why.

maurice
Something tells me today’s thread is unlikely to attract much female commentary
*waves at maurice*
Hi sweetie

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:26 pm PA

forget the apology,just call the cops if she wasn’t justified in slapping you.

Probably would depend on the heat of the moment vibe. If she looked shocked by her own act, I’d give her an out by ordering her to apologize or else.

But if she continued yelling at me or posturing threateningly I’d just pull out my cellphone and dial 9-1-1

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:35 pm chic noir

doug1Just completely withdrew from applying feminism to black men.

*Chris brown looks at the above statement*

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt.

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:39 pm Gunner

Roissy, the way you shoehorned in perspicacity (a poor diction choice given your somewhat trivial observation) is your “macbook”n your curse is that you will only ever be able to convince people whose intellects you don’t respect that your intellect deserves respect.

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:40 pm PA

Or I’d so something from the G-Man playbook:

I’d look at her. The steely gaze of death. Freeze her with it. Then slowly look at my lapel. As all is quiet, even the 100 onlookers on the platform are transfixed. And I would say, one depth of slow hell syllable after another:

“This is a custom suit. A Brioni. You touched it.”

And keep hypnotizing her with my cobra gaze until she is driven mad and the paramedics arrive.

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:41 pm jaakkeli

So we in the West are supposed to be in high moral dudgeon that the Saudis don’t follow our own practice of shrugging when women slap men without injury, but possibly arresting men in many Western jurisdictions when they slap a woman without injury?

What I read into the linkers mind was that he wanted roissy to write some stuff on how Saudi men do it right. Who would come here expecting to stir up righteous feminist indignation or whatever?

Just not that groundbreaking to hear it from SA. It’s like checking the Swedish news and finding out that Swedish feminists demand more equality.

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on May 10, 2009 at 7:50 pm novaseeker

Feminists have targeted white men in propagandizing against macho and masculine virtues and in favor of valuing feminism and considering women more equal than men, the better gender in most every way that matters. (By definition — anything men are naturally better at tends to be claimed to be almost equal or swept under the rug, or if pressed, reflexively devalued by feminists, such as physical strength and military combat effectiveness.)

Any male dominance is horrible, probably fascist, and certainly sexist and misogynist — and supposedly will prevent white men from getting laid. As will dissenting from feminism, they’re told or it’s implied by “post feminists”. Men are propagandized to believe that not only is it important that they go to some of their kid’s school functions, attending nearly all of them is crucial to being a good father and certainly more important that work promotions. Besides he should make sure that mommy’s freed up to get those at least as fast.

Yep.

But we will win in the end. It is inevitable. The current system is not sustainable.

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on May 10, 2009 at 8:02 pm Markku

Off topic:

Eurasia beat North America at Ice Hockey last night. Russia vs. Canada 2-1.

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on May 10, 2009 at 8:24 pm epiclolz

Taking yourself too seriously = Epic Un-fun = Beta.
I rock a Mac but I can’t imagine not laughing at such a keen observation. =)

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on May 10, 2009 at 8:28 pm Jack Burton

Mac should hire DA to be the new, “I’m a PC” guy — just let him riff on his views and life experiences. I can just hear America’s ball sacks ascending in unison during the first ad after the superbowl kickoff. That is a fucking multi-billion dollar idea right there.

But seriously, having AN OPINION about Mac vs. PC (beyond, “It’s an annoying thing that annoying people talk about. Sometimes you have to punch them to make them stop.”) costs you pussy. Even unexpressed, it lurks near the limits of her perception, behind your dweebulent eyes.

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on May 10, 2009 at 8:46 pm whiskey

Doug —

I am talking about social/dating power in the Coffee Hangout. First power is the Black guy if he’s halfway attractive. Look at the ads in Home and Garden TV (aimed solidly at White Women), or anything on broadcast TV, or Food Network, or anything but Spike or the History Channel. Blacks are about 75% of all actors on the commercials. This speaks to the social power they have because White Women PREFER Black guys and idealize Black Women (look at how White Women worship Michelle Obama and Oprah).

Next up is a White woman. Obviously the hotter wield more social power, but even the fat or not attractive women can wield considerable power. Think about the commercial where the Asian Woman blocks the fat middle aged White guy from pushing the elevator buttons. That’s a social reality, she can do that and the White guy CANNOT call her on it.

Dead last is Joe Average poseur or White guy. An Extreme Sports rad dude, or scroungy alt-musician, or what have you will be just below the hot White woman and above the fat/ugly/old White woman, but definitely below the Black guy.

ANYONE who’s spent five minutes in a coffee hangout can see this for themselves.

Good points Jack Burton (loved you in Big Trouble in Little China). NEVER talk about computers or comic books to women. EVER.

Is it just me, or do those women on Tryst’s home page look skanky and unappealing?

Novaseeker — you might find my latest blog entry on Obama’s problems with Men and his social welfare spending interesting. Plenty of stats there. Needless to say, the PC-ification of America was a long time coming. The fallout is likely to be ugly.

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on May 10, 2009 at 9:13 pm Kick a Bitch

mother of god, could you all BE any gayer?

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on May 10, 2009 at 9:33 pm chic noir

whiskey This speaks to the social power they have because White Women PREFER Black guys and idealize Black Women (look at how White Women worship Michelle Obama and Oprah).

You can add Tyra to the mix but I think your wrong. WW just see three blk women they can relate too who come across as authentic. There are still plenty of WW who idealisze SJP, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie,Jennifer Aniston,Geroge Clooney,Ellen etc..

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on May 10, 2009 at 9:39 pm chic noir

Whiskey ANYONE who’s spent five minutes in a coffee hangout can see this for themselves.

Well Whiskey, as a blk woman who sometimes hangs out in coffee shops, I’ve never gotten any special attention* because I’m blk.

Depending on the location, people sometimes look at me with that look of “how the hell did she find this place”. If I/they happen to spark up a conversation, some of the people are shocked that I could possibly like the same things and have had some of the same experiences that they’ve had.
Like being Black stops me from somehow enjoying life.

*oh we are sooo happy to have a blk person here.

*shrugs shoulders*

*thinks to self*
I’ve been e-flirting with Whiskey for months but he just won’t budge. Me thinks Whiskey is “playing pay her no attention and she will want me more” game on me 😦

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on May 10, 2009 at 9:50 pm novaseeker

Novaseeker — you might find my latest blog entry on Obama’s problems with Men and his social welfare spending interesting. Plenty of stats there. Needless to say, the PC-ification of America was a long time coming. The fallout is likely to be ugly.

Yep. You nailed it again. I will have some comments in my own blog and in yours, once I have a chance to digest your insights and percolate my own.

Good stuff, mate!

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on May 10, 2009 at 10:02 pm W Baker

Roissy’s looking for hits. You’re not trying to get your numbers up, ol’ man – just for a little add revenue?

Windows is a perfectly fine operating system for one-dimensional, cubical and/or institutional types who run a browser (typically IE), a spreadsheet app, and, in case of Roissy, MS Paint. They have no idea of the spaghetti code underneath and don’t care as long as the machine limps through the 2 year life expectancy. And they’re generally on a first-name basis with said corporate/institutional IT betas.

But, by God, the limp dick who just got the fellatio-inspired promotion to middle management swears by them, so they must be great.

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on May 10, 2009 at 10:15 pm doug1

PA

Or I’d so something from the G-Man playbook:

I’d look at her. The steely gaze of death.

***

And so on. LoL.

Well done.

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on May 10, 2009 at 10:24 pm Merchant46

Nice, Roissy.

Amazing what balls a guy grows in a non-threatening environment.

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on May 10, 2009 at 10:36 pm Doug_S

Many Apple Betas here, ready to argue like supports og AGW.

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on May 10, 2009 at 10:47 pm chic noir

dag, we got way to many guys named “doug” now.

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on May 10, 2009 at 10:49 pm novaseeker

Many Apple Betas here, ready to argue like supports og AGW.

Yep. I mean yiou have to be linux or windows to have game.

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on May 10, 2009 at 10:52 pm chic noir

W Baker
Roissy’s looking for hits. You’re not trying to get your numbers up, ol’ man – just for a little add revenue?

yea, he should put up adds if he’s looking to drive up hits. If it don’t make dollars then it don’t make cents 🙂

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on May 10, 2009 at 11:35 pm W Baker

Black chick,

“yea, he should put up adds if he’s looking to drive up hits. If it don’t make dollars then it don’t make cents ”

I think this is the chicken and egg of advertising. No?

1. Roissy goes to Trojan and says, ‘I have certain number of hits, and, therefore expect this amount for an idea.’

2. Roissy goes to Trojan and says, ‘I CAN, POSSIBLY, after a damn good one night stand, a good yarn, and a little Windows v. Mac traffic to boot, be counted on for this amount of traffic….

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on May 10, 2009 at 11:37 pm W Baker

Mea culpa, black chic. Freudian slip. Read black chic for black chick!

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on May 10, 2009 at 11:50 pm Chuck

i’m convinced roissy is running an experiment on us all…he generated 100+ comments, on a sunday, mother’s day, with a short post about people’s laptop choices.

ri-fucking-diculous

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on May 10, 2009 at 11:58 pm commoner

Mac Os>>>>>Vista or any other garbage Gates pushes out. How does Jobs consistently create and recreate an operating system taht people can actually use without getting angry?

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:17 am lurker

I have an interesting hypothesis: the fetishizing of the black male as a sexual being by non-blacks is a partial but direct result of perceived failed cuckholding.

Let me explain.

In the past, every culture was rather isolated—you didn’t get beyond your own village or town much. Even large, sophisticated Empires (Rome, Islamic, Oriental) had only brief periods (re 2-300 years) where only wealthy traders and military men could traverse the vast distance. The average Roman never went beyond his village or region, even in the Pax Romana.

As a result, the layabouts who would sleep with wives and impregante them–the cuckholders—were of your own genetic origin. They’d have the same or similar hair, eye color, facial features, etc.

As a result, at a time with no DNA testing, what Joyce postulates in *Ulysses* was true: you never knew who your father was. Or, more precisely, unless there was a tell tale genetic feature or you were the spitting image, there was never any proof positive you were your father’s son.

However, a black male’s color dominates a non-black mother’s offspirng by him. You’re going to look black if your Dad is black, even if your mom is fair nordic, East Asian, or even most Italian or American Indians.

Going further, even East Asian males could father a white man’s child and the mother might conceivably get away with it and vice versa—he might be a “Round eye” or be “girlish” in his eyes, as explained to the poor sap paying for him.

So while a non-black man could raise another non-black male’s child and never know it—especially if they share the same ethnic origin—no non-black male could raise a black man’s child and not know it.

As a result, women who did conceive by black men when they were non-black were quickly found out, and castigated by the group for being a whore. Her only chance of defending herself (and not being cast out, in certain cultures) was claiming rape. But claiming rape 9 months later is dicey. And those children were immediately denied monetary support and shunned themselves, so they grew up poor and neglected, and most likely did not have successful lives.

So married non-black women who desired to take a black lover in secret had the further blocker that pregnancy was the death of both her social standing and her monetary support.

So, denied the ability to cuckhold with a black like she could with a non-black, she fetishized the man she could not have, and non-black men did the same, because they would be embarassed to be made a cuckhold so openly.

Thoughts?

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:39 am whiskey

Chic — you know I love you but you’re on the wrong coast. :< Sigh. So that’s all there is. Besides you would not want my two hour rave about how Dexter Gordon was the greatest Sax player, EVER, or all about how “Getting Around” on Blue Note is criminally under-rated. The worst thing a woman has to put up with around a man is his stupid obsessions. Mine are stupider than most so I guess you’re lucky.

FWIW, in the SoCal area, I have definitely seen that phenomena I describe. It’s particularly strong in the West LA and OC areas.

Lurker — it’s about testosterone or perceived increase wrt the beta-ized White guys around women. Black guys are at least perceived to have more, be more aggressive, and so on. Ricky Raw aka the Rawness has on his blog various Black guys discussing how with Black women, there is pressure to “thug it up” but with White Women, their normal, middle class persona is perceived to be “edgy” and dangerous even though the riskiest thing they do all day is get a double soy latte.

Somewhat weirdly, on the West Coast at least, Black Biker dudes are all squids. Ducattis, Hondas, Buells, Triumph’s Cafe Racers, up the wazoo. I’ve NEVER seen a Black Biker guy on a Harley, or Triumph cruiser type, etc. Though I do see Black guys (older) on Gold Wings. I never got the appeal of Gold Wings.

In New Orleans (pre Katrina) and Newport Beach, one way of “instant game” is the whole Cafe Racing scene. Go in on Sunday afternoon in your riding leathers, your Harley (or better, Ducati or Triumph) out in front. You’re automatically cooler than 90% of the guys there. I’ve seen girls heads move like on a swivel. It’s hilarious.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:05 am Rum

If you happen to have come straight from a solid red-neck, southern, Scotch-Irish, partly Huguenot, red haired blue eyed gene pool of far gone natural-born-killer types you would not be feeling such a sense of despair & paralysis when faced with these kinds of challenges. ….Just do what needs to be done and be sure wash your hands afterwards. You are vak=lreasdy nin thr right bplace.
When two blue eyed “parents” produce a brown eyed child everybody knows that it is crime scene. By Tradition, the really important Judge is named Samuel Colt.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:07 am Chuck

lurker,

interesting, but how would the fetishization of non-black males happen? or why does it happen?

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:50 am ATC

“a real man’s laptop” – what a hilarious oxymoron! But then again, only a real man could perceptively identify a “famed coffeehouse” amidst the mass of soul-crushing greasy-spoons.

Hopefully Roissy will soon regale us with glorious feats of sipping “a real man’s wine cooler” at “a famed bed-and-breakfast” or reciting “a real man’s prayer” at “a famed non-denominational church.”

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:08 am Welmer

Grammar nazi

For once, I agree. Mine is a T500.

@Welmer — get a life, there are packages of popular unix command-line tools built for native Windows, and if not there’s always cygwin to fall back on. I use command line for every task in Windows which I encounter more than once a week.

@Thras — Vista did its own counter-advertising quite successfully. Know that joke about Wine running more Windows programs than Vista? BTW, operating systems (except Linux) don’t suck, users suck.

Ah, here we have the increasingly rare breed (thank God) that defends the MS abomination to the bitter end.

Why should I run a Unix command-line tool on a Windows machine? That’s as much of a waste of time as running Windows on a Mac, and knowing MS it would probably be prone to crashing the OS.

You can have your crappy Hindoo-programmed OS, and if it works for you that’s wonderful. I just don’t like wasting my time on junk programs that frequently crash out on me.

BTW, this quote of yours would seem to perfectly summarize MS opinion:

“…operating systems (except Linux) don’t suck, users suck.”

So if MS doesn’t work well for me and millions of other PAYING CUSTOMERS, then we suck?

LOL

That’s like saying that the only problem with Detroit cars is that the people buying them suck. What a winner of a business strategy!

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:09 am Master Dogen

Well I happen to like Roissy’s blog.

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:15 am jackson

Dude just makes a simple observation, and you are all breaking his balls for it. It’s okay to have opinions on things other than pickup from time to time.

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:29 am Sean

Man, the general nerdiness of your readership really comes out during these posts, roissy. 😛

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:30 am Lupo

I use an imac because it’s quiet and Unix, hence a Real Computer capable of running Lisp and doing science. Otherwise, the hardware sucks. Caught two of them on fire. My macbook … it makes a great windows dongle. I love the looks of horror on nerd faces when I fire it up with the windows sound. I also never clean it, except with a greasy finger, because I don’t want to be One of Them.

Mostly, laptops are junk, and I hate them. Their only utility is taking the mobile office to the Uni or coffee shop to do work.

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on May 11, 2009 at 3:23 am femalpha

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm……..

can i just tell you how much the word perspicacity turns me on?

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on May 11, 2009 at 3:45 am whiskey

Well said Lupo.

Laptops are often crap, they always run hot, and suffer myriad compromises. I’ve never yet had a modern era notebook that did not regularly run hot and was relatively intolerant of warmish (around 80 degrees) temps for prolonged periods of time. In an AC-cooled office they are fine, put them out on the patio and they run hot and often quit.

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:35 am xsplat

Jack

But seriously, having AN OPINION about…

But seriously, worrying about having an OPINION or not, due to what effect it might have on attractiveness, is little-boy-beta. It’s not autistic to have an opinion. It’s autistic to have merely an opinion, with no feel for the opinions of those around you and your place in a cosmic life threatening joke.

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:42 am xsplat

Whiskey

NEVER talk about computers or comic books to women. EVER.

It’s fine to in passing mention anything. Even comic books. Having a technical discussion is a different issue, and is not sexy time inducing.

Appearing to have a mysterious and unspoken aura of geek-knowledge is sexy. Any understanding of and power over the laws of the universe is sexy. You can mention the powers in passing, just don’t explain those powers in a conversation.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:00 am cheapo

ubuntu on an eee pc netbook. notebooks are disposable poc anyway. What gadgets – if any – are good for Game.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:59 am Anonymous

Was part of the joke the racial diversity of the table being something you’d see on a commercial?

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:36 am anon-c

Macs are guaranteed good quality. Other laptops I’ve had have broken quickly, but Macbooks seem to last. You also don’t have the problem of the manufacturer designing the computer to look good in lists of specifications (CPU speed, RAM) while skimping on things only geeks know to look at.

As for the price, I recently bought a new Macbook for $800 after a mail in rebate at Micro Center. A comparably speced Windows laptop would have cost $600 or so. It’s not worth the risk of buying a POS to save $200. What if you have to buy another POS 8 months later? You haven’t saved any money.

The only Windows laptop with a comparable good reputation is the Thinkpad, but there’s nowhere in my area to go look at them. I would have had to buy one from the internet sight unseen. No thanks.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:18 am Kamal S.

I prefer the Lenovo 3000, the thinkpad’s pencil eraser mouse nub thingie annoys me at times.

Thinkpads are, however, built like rocks. IBM thinkpads had slightly higher standards, but the thinkpad is a venerable functional and durable machine.

Macbooks are coffeetable conversation pieces. Useful at times, to the right people, but mostly objects of art. Not solid…

Tools.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:35 am Default User

Now this was a real man’s laptop.
http://www.vintage-computer.com/osborne_1.shtml

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:55 am Virgin@40

Off topic. Remember that other thread I highjacked for a while?
Well, I want to thank you all for the advices you gave to me.
Also, and because some people asked me to report what happened, I will do so here.

Beta Files:

Well, we were suposed to go to the beach on Saturday in a mixed group. I actually went Thursday, but only with my boys. It was cooler but the temperature was pleasent and the water… delightfull. Although it was not as hot as it was in the beggining of that week when the temperatures climbed to around 85º. It was still nice and hot.

It happened that 6 (girl in the group of friends who was suposed to tell us where to meet and at what time) did not even bothered to say a thing because in that Saturday, the temperature was about 65º and it actually rained. Yeah… it’s been raining since Saturday…
So nothing happened. Yeah, it’s shitty, but I only hope we manage to meet and do something better.
Sorry about wasting your time but the tips you people sent in… some of them are still in my head.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:59 am Obsidian

Interesting discussion, and I too am waiting to hear any thoughts in response to Lurker’s theories wrt Cuckoldry & Black Men.

In the meantime though, roissy may recall that in my reply to a “coffeehouse pickup” scenario he posted last year, I stated that I set aside my Thinkpad and stepped to the Target. Seems, that he and I have a bit more in common that either may have thought afterall, hmm?

I’ve owned a slew of notebooks, and hands down, my Thinkpad is the best of the lot, thus far. As Kamal has noted, its tough as a tank, and I ought to know-a few months after buying it, as I was running fullout after a departing bus in the depot, it fell, hard, on the ground out of my backpack which I thought I zipped up.

Other than chipping the hard plastic on one of the corners, it kept right on gettin’ up-I didn’t event turn it off, just put it in its sleeve and tossed it in my bag before heading out. Runs like a top.

Now, its a bit older than the other guys’ Thinkpads-mine still has the IBM multi-colored logo on it-but I’ve never had a problem with it, takes a lickin and keeps on tickin, and although I’m leaning toward copping a Dell Mini in another month or two, I’m still open to being persuaded by Lenovo’s version. We’ll see.

Back to Lurker-given the mating patterns of certain West and sub-Saharan Africans, I wonder if Cuckoldry ever became as big an issue, if at all, as it has in Europe?

Comments?

And Kamal, I read your blog. Welcome aboard Bruh!

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:39 am Game in BK

Tell me Kirk from Star Trek isn’t alpha?

It was totally refreshing (unexpected and enlightening) to see such an alpha male in this massive (and extremely well reviewed and received) summer movie.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:01 am doug1

This is a public service announcement for non nerds running Windows.

If you’re running Vista, there’s something much better available.

After being a rock solid to rave reviews beta release for four months or so now, Windows 7, which is really Vista 2.0 with a much faster and streamlined core, is now available as a RC1, that is “release candidate 1” at Microsoft’s site for free download from now through June. It won’t self destruct for 1 whole year, until June 2010.

I know this from having listened to Leo Laporte’s “Windows Weekly” podcast with Paul Thurrott. (I only listen to that once in awhile. BTW, Paul Thurrott’s “Supersite for Windows” is THE authority on all things Windows related. You can take his views on things as gospel, unless you’re willing to spend umpteen hours getting everyone’s views and even then you’ll find him the most reliable and single source knowledgeable out there. There, that’s right there quite valuable advice for all you Windows people. You’re welcome.)

So this RC1 is very unlikely to be changed more than a tiny amount in the shipping release of Windows 7. That version will start appearing on new computers rather than Vista before the end of 2009. Probably in a few months in fact when the dust settles a bit on this RC1. It’s done in other words. Absolutely no one thinks there’s any reason to stay with Vista, other than because of the pain of upgrading.

Thing is though if you are gonna upgrade the only intelligent way to do it is to wipe your disk (or operating system partition) and do a fresh install. You have to know what you’re doing a bit to do that. Save data and all that to another disk or partition, and figure out what you do have installed and actually care about reinistalling right away, some from disks but probably mostly from net download, which you’ll have to do again. Actually, you should do a wipe and reinstall at least once a year anyway, but of course almost no one does. Any viruses, spyware and all that preinstalled bloatware will immediately vanish, if you haven’t gotten rid of them already. Cookies will be reset, etc. In many, many ways it’s like getting a new computer, only better (no junk you don’t want).

So yeah it’s a pain and it’s time consuming, so you decide if it’s worth it. But no one thinks 7 isn’t a huge improvement over Vista. If you’ve got XP running well I probably wouldn’t bother unless you’re upgrading you hard drive.

Oh, when RC1 does time out more than a year from now, you’ll undoubtedly be able to pay for a license that allows a little download from Microsoft tweak of what you’ve got (which will be security upgraded in the interim) to the licensed version, without any re-install.

/End of PSA.

(Girls may send virtual kisses, if you’re cute. Guys a gruff thanks will do.)

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:05 am Obsidian

Game in BK,
Yea, I just saw the “new/old” Star Trek and for the most part, liked it. I’m not a big fan of JJ Abrams-the whole Lost thing is lost on me, and I thought Alias was whacked, to say nothing of MI:3. But I give him his due on this one.

I thought the “new” Kirk was pretty good, if a bit of a cliche’-but yea, overall he’s cool. Personally I thought the best character in the flick was the “new” Spock-the guy who played him did a very good job, and I liked how they tried to highlight his bi-racial heritage and his struggles w/this as well as his emotional life. The Uhura thing was pretty interesting, and when you really think about it, Spock comes off as quite Alpha in his dealings w/her.

Karl Urban’s “Bones” was good, as was Simon Pegg’s Scotty; Cho’s Sulu was better than I expected. And I was glad to see Chekov get a bit of play as well.

The effects were good, Bana’s take on a “deeply troubled Romulan” was good, and the revamped Enterprise looked cool, too. Looking forward to the sequel.

Fun question: who’s the more Alpha of all the Star Trek captains:

“Old” Kirk
“New” Kirk
Archer
Picard
Janeway
Archer

?

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:15 am Cuisine

Hey Roissy!

Nice opener. 🙂

I was at Tryst Friday (I love daygame) and opened and got a # from a cutie with a laptop. Laptops are great props to open a conversation with. Cells are as well. I thought you told me a few days ago you aren’t a big Tryst fan.

-Cuisine

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:20 am maurice

yeah, agree – I saw Trek on Sunday and enjoyed the reboot immensely. (This is the geek thread, folks, so here’s where I’m going to say it…!) This Kirk was definitely a classic Alpha in many ways but so was Shatner in the original. I kinda dug the Spock-Uhura thing … talk about interracial dating!

btw, in response to that dude in a previous thread who said that all black women “look like apes” – well, duh, not so. The original Uhura, Nichelle Nichols, was one of my earliest childhood lust objects, remembered fondly to this day. (She aged very well by the way.) She also, with Shatner, took part in TV’s first interracial kiss (in the U.S. anyway – we certainly had our odd issues compared with other multiracial countries like Brazil). Zoe Saldana was pretty enough but not in the same league.

Live long and prosper, everyone…!

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:24 am contrarian

W Baker

Windows is a perfectly fine operating system for one-dimensional, cubical and/or institutional types who run a browser (typically IE), a spreadsheet app, and, in case of Roissy, MS Paint. They have no idea of the spaghetti code underneath and don’t care as long as the machine limps through the 2 year life expectancy. And they’re generally on a first-name basis with said corporate/institutional IT betas.

But, by God, the limp dick who just got the fellatio-inspired promotion to middle management swears by them, so they must be great.

There’s nothing wrong with XP, and it’s possible to be knowledgeable about computers without being a programmer. Also a big LOL at the notion that using Windows is “beta.”

Obsidian

Fun question: who’s the more Alpha of all the Star Trek captains:

“Old” Kirk
“New” Kirk
Archer
Picard
Janeway
Archer

?

You’ll have to define “alpha” first.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:28 am maurice

@Obsidian – our posts crossed in the ether. Yeah, I was going to mention John Cho too – if Roldy is there we know there’s a lot of weed at Starfleet Academy…! And I never figured those green Orion slave girls as starfleet material – more like the girl those space-sailors have in every port.

I’d say this new Kirk is the most Alpha – just about every move he makes, every decision, is on his own terms and breaks most rules. Picard was more cerebral and older, so didn’t have that viscreal sex appeal. Shatner was great too – had not yet fallen into total cheesy self-parody. Remember it was new once …

Also, “Lost” is definitely worthwhile – not to everyone’s taste but I think it’s still once of the best things out there, if you give it the patience to unfold on all the levels it works on.

@doug1 – I read somewhere that the Windows 7 beta has some embedded worm or virus? Don’t remember where but I saw a blurb to that effect earlier today.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:35 am Firepower

@doug1
“In what universe is that true?

What exactly is your evidence for this?”

a wise man once wrote [his name was doug1, as I recall]

“I think there are lots and lots of old guys who still think that’s the way most women naturally are, and would be if there weren’t so many rotten men in the world, including to some extent themselves. After all, that’s what Hollywood says.

I’m not kidding or exaggerating. It’s pathetic”

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:38 am doug1

maurice–

I read somewhere that the Windows 7 beta has some embedded worm or virus? Don’t remember where but I saw a blurb to that effect earlier today.

Who knows what versions have in them that some people get via torrents.

However the version of 7 beta that was downloadable from MS, and this RC1 that became available on May 5 apparently, does not. That’s why I sometimes listen to that podcast. Paul Therrott is the man on Windows.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:40 am RP-in-TX

I use a Lenovo Thinkpad as my everyday PC and a Lenovo S10 netbook for most mobile use. Lenovo seems to be the only hardware company that can build a laptop keyboard that feels like a real fucking keyboard.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:42 am David Alexander

?

Dude, you forgot Sisko on Deep Space Nine!

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:45 am lurker

Chuck: “lurker,

interesting, but how would the fetishization of non-black males happen? or why does it happen?”

Chuck,
Well, I don’t think the failed cuckholding is all of the answer, but I do think it might bear study.

And Chuck, I think anecdotally black males are fetishized much mroe sexuallly than all other men—even such “great lovers” as Italian, Greek, or French. Practically every culture has some sort of taboo against being cuckholded by black males—I’m reminded of Arabian Nights, where I distinctly remember a story wherein a husband had been cuckholded by a black slave and his wife was considered the worst of the worst because of it.

But I would point out that the stereotyped great lover races—Italian, Greek, etc.–often have darker features, and are often fetishized by lighter skinned—East Asian, Northern European—women, falling into a similar, but not completely similar, area.

Of course it may just be you want what you don’t have—when I was abroad as a younger man, Southern European and Brazilian women were all over me, very intrigued by my rather black Irish looks.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:46 am Firepower

whiskey’s blog speaks truth. I liked it much. I read it with a good cigar before the Anaheim and Laker’s games started. It was interesting contrasting the two sports.

@xsplat:
You’re excluding the vast growth of today’s additional media. It makes for greater influence on audiences since the days of AM Top 40. Now we have cellphones, texting, cable and…the very interwebz in use here.

@femalpha:
lol, you luv roissys blog…
more than….
your own

@chicnoir:
what happened to your good pic from like a month ago

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:11 am Obsidian

Dave Alex,
Indeed you are correct, I did neglect to include DS9’s Captain Benjamin Sisko. My bad. I actually liked Brooks’ performance very much, the only reason why I even bothered to watch DS9 to begin with (and became a steady fan after the Dominian War started which brought about the USS Defiant, under Sisko’s direct instruction and specifications. Hands down my fave Starfeelt ship.).

By the way Dave (or anyone else who might care to have a go)-as DS9 begins, *who* is in command of the station?

My vote for most Alpha of th captains? Hmm. That’s a toughie. Can’t really go wrong w/Kirk, although I thought Picard was in many ways quite Alpha, just in a different way. And yup, I very much liked the fact that a baritone-voiced Brotha could make a difference in the future too-and note he rocks a bald head.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:16 am xsplat

Firepower

You’re excluding the vast growth of today’s additional media. It makes for greater influence on audiences since the days of AM Top 40. Now we have cellphones, texting, cable and…the very interwebz in use here.

Word of mouth is now carried over the mediums you mentioned. Blogs are word of mouth media. If there is a distinction between media and word of mouth, it is that word of mouth is the influence of individuals who are mostly interested in their value systems, while Media is mostly interested in promoting the corporation it serves. Corporate Media is not the major social influence that you claim.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:25 am lurker

Kirk v. Picard will get every fanboy in a twitter. Sisko was a very good captain, and certainly the last of the good captains on Star Trek–Janeway and Archer were jokes. Sisko just had the unfortunate detriment of existing in the same universe of Picard and Kirk, much like Lou Gehrig had to play on the same team as Babe Ruth.

I grew up with Picard, so I go with him. But interestingly, the character of Riker was presented to salve fanboys on the lsos of the Kirk-lothario character—remember that, especially early on and pre-non-ironic-beard, Riker was all over the hot babes. He was probably the last true white man-as-rake-and-you-buy-it on network (ok syndicated) TV.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:26 am omw

This whole thread provides me with a renewed appreciation for the weirdness that is the other half of the human species.

Kirk was probably a hottie in his day, but it’s hard for anyone born in the 80s to see him and NOT see the later self-parody, if that makes sense.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:27 am omw

Picard, on the other hand, made me feel a little faint even before puberty set in. Dang, I still love bald guys the best.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:28 am lurker

Quick fact: Sisko was famous before DS9—he was Hawk on the great 80’s series “Spencer for Hire.” Hawk was Spencer’s big black enforcer buddy. Funny, ’cause on DS9, he wasn’t a “big guy,” but Spencer made him seem huge.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:28 am omw

Riker was kind of icky, though. Was it really just the facial hair?

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:50 am Obsidian

Another Obsidian geek moment-I just mentioned that my fave Starfleet vessel was the Defiant. Actually, I have two-that and its “big brother” the Soverign-class starships. The last Trek movie, “Nemesis” features such a ship, the Enterprise “E”. Both ships share similar tech, for example quantum torpedoes. So I I had to choose a bigger cruiser type vessel that would be the one. Defiant reminds me of a submarine, plus I like the compact design, high durability, ability to pack a punch in terms of firepower, and can actually cloak.

And its really cool looking, too.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:51 am Firepower

xsplat

“Word of mouth is now carried over the mediums you mentioned…Corporate Media is not the major social influence that you claim”

You give exemplary definitions of both “media” and “word of mouth,” but provide no evidence of corporate media’s waning influence.

for example several Mystery appearances on Corporate Media sponsored Jimmy Kimmel & Conans garner, conservatively, 1000 times the audience of our wordofmouth-roissy and rooshes.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:54 am doug1

omg–

Picard, on the other hand, made me feel a little faint even before puberty set in. Dang, I still love bald guys the best.

Anyone man who doesn’t realize that Picard exudes older male alpha from every pore doesn’t understand women at all.

(Have I mentioned that he looks like my considerably older identical twin?)

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:58 am doug1

Umm, make that much, much older ….

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:03 pm omw

Doug, you look utterly fabulous for 102. lol.

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:04 pm Obsidian

Doug,
Wrt Picard and OMW’s comments, I concur, sir. Which is why I mentioned that he could very well be the more Alpha of the Starfleet captains featured in the future, at the very least, Kirk’s major rival in that regard (and I agree w/Lurker’s analysis of Sisko-therefore he gets a very significant Honorable Mention).

Patrick Stewart, an excellent actor if there ever was one, didn’t hit his stride until the latter half of his life, and I have heard many a Woman, White and Black alike, swoon over the Man, both as Picard and as the X-Man founder Professor Charles Xavier (it was nice to see him cameo the part in the Wolverine flick, which I thought was “Ok”).

Again, it bears repeating-Age, is a Man’s best friend, provided he takes care of himself. Watch your weight, observe good hygiene, don’t drink, smoke, or use drugs. Going bald up top, no problem, shave it off. The Ladies will thank you.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:06 pm omw

yeah, I’m still highly partial to the totally-bald look, provided the guy’s got a decently-shaped noggin underneath. Definitely better than balding-and-anxious-about-it.

The H rocks this look. Bald-plus-goatee is cute, too, IMO.

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:17 pm Obsidian

OMW,
Yup, that’s the trick w/rockin a baldie, you can’t have a head that someone could speculate your future on the basis of the number of lumps they can see lol.

As for goatees, they work for a Man *if* he has a well defined jawline. In my view they don’t look as good on guys who have a more rotund face. For example, Rick Warren wears a goatee-nah, no good. He’s too round.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:27 pm contrarian

Obsidian

My vote for most Alpha of th captains? Hmm. That’s a toughie. Can’t really go wrong w/Kirk, although I thought Picard was in many ways quite Alpha, just in a different way. And yup, I very much liked the fact that a baritone-voiced Brotha could make a difference in the future too-and note he rocks a bald head.

These discussions about what’s alpha and what’s not are so fucking pointless because there is no commonly accepted definition for the word.

–

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:29 pm Neal

“You’ll have to define “alpha” first.”

Who would ask such a question at this site?

Kirk was hands down the most alpha. He was good to go with whoever Roddenberry snuck past the censors. And you could always pick Kirk out of the transporter haze because of his contrapposta stance.

Regarding OS’s. When my windows frozed up with a virus, a geek at work replaced it with Ubuntu. It’s great, no learning curve, and the geek said I won’t have to worry about viruses anymore. And it’s free!

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:32 pm Anonymous

I thought Alpha just meant “whatever guy can score the most’n’hottest gals, by whatever means at his disposal.”

It irritates me a little when people use it as shorthand for a multitude of actual virtues.

Alphas, both of the male and female variety, aren’t necessarily decent human beings.

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:36 pm omw

oops. the anon was me.

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:45 pm xsplat

Firepower

You give exemplary definitions of both “media” and “word of mouth,” but provide no evidence of corporate media’s waning influence… For instance…

Yup. Which is why even some sitcoms could be construed as nearly word of mouth. The writers are nearly independent agents.

Just because it’s on TV doesn’t mean it’s Corporate Media.

Everything is created by people, but some people are corporate slaves. Some are more indepent. An independent film is expected to be independent of… what? Of previous habits.

Hip people are hip, because why? Because they are on the cutting and leading edge of what is not the previous habit.

Word of mouth is essentially hip, and essentially not corporate.

Except in very rare circumstances.

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:47 pm doug1

omw–

You and anonymous are 100% right.

Now school Contrarian / tokyojesusFreak for us will you, since the rest of us are long since sick of trying.

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm xsplat

As for the evidence of this – this blog and it’s influence is one such evidence.

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on May 11, 2009 at 12:59 pm contrarian

Neal

Who would ask such a question at this site?

Someone who is capable of critical thinking.

omw

I thought Alpha just meant “whatever guy can score the most’n’hottest gals, by whatever means at his disposal.”

That’s just one definition.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:09 pm omw

Well, contrarian, some people use the word in a sloppier fashion than that, but that’s their own problem.

Alpha doesn’t mean “trustworthy” or “responsible” or “intelligent” or any of that other good stuff. There are alphas with some of those qualities, but there are probably many more who are “lying sacks of shit” and “narcissistic” and “plain old stupid.”

The greatest sorrow of a woman’s life is that she has such a brief time in which to figure this out. lol.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:14 pm omw

It’s like men who spend their whole lives being tragically disappointed by the fact that beauty in a woman doesn’t necessarily translate to a whole slew of other desirable qualities.

(and that beauty sometimes even works against those virtues!)

“How could such a beautiful woman be such an incorrigible slut?!!”

“…darlin, I think your question contains its own answer.”

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:18 pm Thursday

The greatest sorrow of a woman’s life is that she has such a brief time in which to figure this out.

Which is why women require much, much greater guidance and supervision from society and their families.

I screwed up my romantic life baaaaadly in my early days, but since I’m an inshape guy in my early to mid thirties and have had time to make a recovery and will probably end up doing ok in the end.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:27 pm Default Alpha ???

omw

You are on form today.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:29 pm omw

ay, ay, Thursday. Though familial guidance sometimes ain’t all it’s cracked up to be, either. My mom was pretty anxious that I should marry, and then stay hitched, to the self-loathing porn addict.

Dad was less sanguine, though.

Anyway, there’s a line there, and no matter where you draw it, some people are going to wind up on the wrong side.

I suppose the question is “How many people are on the wrong side now, and would the number be reduced under a different system?”

Honestly, I don’t quite know the answer. People are pretty good at innovating ways to make themselves miserable.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:37 pm Firepower

xsplat:

I agree with most of your writing. Your blog is great reading, but its existence proves your bias.

See, feel and chew the meaty logic: For instance, you write of Rome and its temples to entertainment, as contrasted with our own Britney and Rap music.

If word-of-mouth were dominant over corporate, you’d see popularity of entertainers reflecting this value. You’d see bloggers as Stars instead of Plaxico Burress.

Concocted hacks like Britney and Lil’ Wayne would take a backseat to whatever flavor of the month favorite the masses discover on their own and promote via word of mouth. I saw a band last Saturday night that should go to the head of the line waaaaay ahead of Ashlee Simpson.

The “Blogosphere Empire” while generally intelligent, will always be an elite with far fewer members wielding influence than the overwhelming Armies Of Stupid awaiting the next Wolverine/X-Men/Tranformers mass market swill.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:45 pm cptnapalm

A funny transformation.

X-Men: Oh, what a dork, for only loser geeks like the X-Men.

X-Men the Movie: Oh, what a sheep, for only conformist thralls like the X-Men.

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on May 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm Thursday

Though familial guidance sometimes ain’t all it’s cracked up to be, either.

That is the second trajedy of women: their life is so much more dependant on the wisdom and good will of others.

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:01 pm PA

That is the second trajedy of women: their life is so much more dependant on the wisdom and good will of others.

Judging by all the fertility treatment ads all over the radio these days, women of my generation (born early 1970s) have not had a lot of guidance that was wise or good-willed.

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:13 pm doug1

omw

There are alphas with some of those qualities, but there are probably many more who are “lying sacks of shit” and “narcissistic” and “plain old stupid.”

Actually, I think easily the greatest percentage of alphas are found among leaders, great and small, mainstream and rebel (and also criminal), both the top leader (though he’s often long in the tooth and maybe has even let himself go physically, leading to his not being so attractive to women any more, esp. younger ones), and those down the line, the up and comers. Often these leaders make some scratch, often a lot of it. But not necessarily so at all. That isn’t so important in fact, leadership is. Most leaders sometimes use Machiavellian tactics to prevail, and have out sized egos.

Celebrities in pretty much any field (though some like music and the movies are a lot better than others) are virtually automatically alpha (if they aren’t hideous and to some extent even if they are), but there aren’t that many of them.

Nobody finds it surprising when a tycoon or a big time politician who aren’t ancient or hideous but are still physically vigorous, or especially younger guys headed that way, attract hot women.

Instead what we notice are the alpha hot women attractors who aren’t these things. We especially notice the really bad boy, ‘no good for her’ kinds of alphas. We notice the pick up artists that might have an ok or pretty good job, but aren’t remarkable from a distance except for their girl successes. We notice the bikers and junior gang leaders, the charismatic tough guy who’s going nowhere, the stud plumber or tree trimmer. In fact most men doing those things are duds to women, but sometimes they aren’t, and those are the apparently incongruous and hard to explain by the lights of many people’s worldview, esp. those of ‘always buckled down in school and since to succeed’ sorts of men.

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:19 pm doug1

PA–

Judging by all the fertility treatment ads all over the radio these days, women of my generation (born early 1970s) have not had a lot of guidance that was wise or good-willed.

As well consider the increase in autism and other genetic defects particularly among children of “good caring parents” that no one seems to be able (willing) to explain.

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:21 pm lurker

contrarian:

“Someone who is capable of critical thinking.”

—ROFL LMAO. Wow. Let me know how your delusions about there being a lack of great Islamic empires works out there, critical thinker.

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:39 pm maurice

On the corporate/media thing: the music industry might be in transition now from a centralized, corporate model – in the form of the record labels who are rapidly losing power and control – to a decentralized, networked, localized, bottom-up model. This was enabled by technology but will allow music to return to its local-tradition roots. So pop music is in the process of splitting into tribes, regions, fan-clans- of many different traditions – who come together virtually on the Internet to share, listen, promote, read critcism, buy, etc. The manufactured pop, from The Eagles to Britney, depends on that mass audience and the channel-control to influence its choices, which is basically now gone. A corollary to this is that there will be a lot less money in music than there used to be – the big bucks were dependnet on the channel control.

And the only difference, technology-wise, between audio files and video files is bandwidth. The movie and TV studios have been much smarter than the music labels about this, mainly because they’ve watched the record guys commit suicide. But they can’t change the math that technology and fragmentation drastically reduce potential ad revenue/market size. So within a generation, that type of entertinment mogul might not be able to afford that traditional birthright of a mansion in Beverly Hills …

Thoughts?

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on May 11, 2009 at 2:49 pm Obsidian

I don’t see how enjoying X-Men and related films automatically makes one a “loser”, etc. Sure, I can see how going overboard about that or anything can creep us out, but simply enjoying a movie? Cmon.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 3:29 pm sara I

Macs are just better, roissy. You need to get over it.

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on May 11, 2009 at 3:29 pm Kamal S.

Obsidian:
Thanks man.

Contrarian:

There’s nothing wrong with XP, and it’s possible to be knowledgeable about computers without being a programmer.

Agreed, actually XP’s just about the last decent desktop operating system Microsoft put out. Not only is it more stable than Vista and Windows 7 (which is a beta version, I admit) but it doesn’t take up a bazillion gigabytes.

It is very possible to be knowledgeable about computers without being a programmer, in fact some computer skills are almost lateral to each other.

doug1:

Nobody finds it surprising when a tycoon or a big time politician who aren’t ancient or hideous but are still physically vigorous, or especially younger guys headed that way, attract hot women.

Instead what we notice are the alpha hot women attractors who aren’t these things. We especially notice the really bad boy, ‘no good for her’ kinds of alphas.

Buckling down in school was once a very manly thing to do, to degrees.

Reading biographies of men in earlier ages reveals a lot about their ideals and realities. At least within their class levels.

I think that for the most part, it’s mostly middle class Western guys who are shocked when they notice such things. Its pretty much a given among the truly rich (and I mean wealthy, not upper middle class) and lower class.

Of course, the Hausa in Nigeria have a saying: “The handsome man is king, until the rich man comes”

Keeping in mind Northern Nigeria is a traditional formerly warrior society in which male polygamy is strongly encouraged. The Hausas also were imperialists until the British subjugated them.
In an affluent society people have excessive options, and males and females both have been massively socially engineered over a 40-60 year period. But in traditional patriarchal orders, men tend to cultivate a certain masculine assertiveness, and jockey for high social status, which was very much marked by tribal preeminence and wealth.

Everyone in the world has some idea of what really gets girls, except a massively lied to middle class, a primarily white middle class at that. My quote on wealth above doesn’t contradict this, what we are talking about is power and social dominance and the ability to support, in a social ambiance in which there is no welfare state to support women. In our society the matter is more subtle, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand how social dominance is sexy to many women.

There are additional factors. Gentlemanly traits, cultivated assiduously by middling classes, are as the term implies, imitation of the attributes of the Gentry, gentleman planters warriors and aristocrat. In our society today Romantic Gentleman = door-mat. At one time a romantic gentleman was the epitome of ideal masculinity but the gentlemen at that age often had sharp steel hangers, and pistols, tucked into their belt.

Where the middle class of our generation try to ape “alpha male natural traits”, the middle class of previous centuries aimed at copying the traits of Gentlemen aristocrats. A trace of this still persists in England, whose class system is very apparent.

Gentlemanly traits that many player type guys call “beta” were once traits cultivated by “alpha” male aristocracy as a tempering edge in an overly aggressive milieu. Men willing to kill at command or at the drop of a hat for the slightest offense to their honor, or to be killed in turn, cultivate a civility and can safely quote poetry all day long while wearing silk stockings. It keeps society from exploding. Blood feuds and duels are useful social mechanisms.

Also women pushed for certain values, interestingly enough.

A direct correspondence to the hypergamous sex paradise that the beautiful and assertive have more or less evolved on today’s dating scene. “Chicks dig it.” or else “players” wouldn’t get away with what they get away with. The ‘game” they run, femes like, or at least reward sexually..

Chivalry had its pagan Celtic, Muslim Arab and Persian influences, but this all crystallized in the court of Eleanor of Aquitaine – a hint lies in this:

Study the relationship of queen Eleanor and her husband 🙂
The cultural renaissance in her court was VERY similar to that of queen Elizabeth’s a few centuries later. Courtly love evolved into the formal Western institution we are familiar with here. Men in that age were like bloody peacocks. Plumage and all.

The same thing still exists today, look at a thug wearing a pink shirt and spotless gym shoes. Are you going to bust on him over his pink silk shirt? No. He may be an urban dandy but frankly most people will lack the balls to call him out on it.

An armed and manly order generally becomes a very, very, polite society over a few centuries. If it doesn’t self destruct in an orgy of wanton bloodshed and rape.

Anyone whose spent time among Arabs, or the Japanese, or say certain Hispanic societies whose masculine order are still governed by the example of the Hidalgo, recognize this. These older formerly aristocratic warrior cultures often have exquisite and respectful mannerisms.

Think “mafia”.

Seriously. Old school Black gangsters also used to be very gentlemanly and polite, I grew up knowing some gangsters and former gangsters. That movie “American Gangster” wasn’t that far from the mark. They were often sensitive to giving affront, and respectfully conscious of the status of, for example, certain, particularly older women, and Preachers. One can tell a real Old Gangster from the streets, over the age of 50, because of his frequent peculiar polite refusal to make eye contact with you and his occasional use of honorifics in addressing you.

Often friendly guys, some of the most stone cold murderers will be some of the most polite and charming guys. Some guys even move their heads around nonchalantly and you don’t realize that they are actually avoiding eye contact. Why?

What happens when wolves make eye contact?

What has happened in our society is that the assertive aristocratic values of Anglo Saxon gentry died, the boxing, duels, warfare, combat, assumption of sexual privilege over women of a “lower” station, etc., but the polite self effacing mannerisms have persisted. Like Swedes and Danes, polite people (direct but polite in my experience) or Finns (I love Finns, forthright but still pretty polite from my experience)

None of this is bad, per se. After all, the Danes used to be pirates. Most people on this board hate the Somali pirates, well the Danes and Swedes weren’t far from that mark 1000 years ago.

It is possible to over simplify things, things are more complex of course..

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on May 11, 2009 at 3:55 pm chic noir

Game in BK
Tell me Kirk from Star Trek isn’t alpha?
My mother thinks so.
x-men
wolverine is alpha but sabre is a bitter beta.

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:01 pm doug1

Kamal S.

Great post. Can’t think of a thing in I disagree with.

This in particular neatly encapsulates your overall message:

Gentlemanly traits, cultivated assiduously by middling classes, are as the term implies, imitation of the attributes of the Gentry, gentleman planters warriors and aristocrat. In our society today Romantic Gentleman = door-mat. At one time a romantic gentleman was the epitome of ideal masculinity but the gentlemen at that age often had sharp steel hangers, and pistols, tucked into their belt.

However, things haven’t just developed and evolved from earlier periods. Well to some extend that has happened.

To a large extent though feminists have explicitly sought to convince older men (with mixed results) and mold younger ones through the educational system, entertainment media, and many of their mothers (to much greater effect), to “express more of their sensitive, female side” and suppress their violent, macho, assertive nature, and to make way and learn to look for and even idolize assertive, competitive, and even kick ass martial arts violent women. (Consider all the comic book based movies, and others, with women heroines of this type. Never happened 60 years ago.)

I’m saying there’s been full up conscious brainwashing going on to a very large degree, because it’s thought “progressive” and in the name of equality. This has not been aimed at “under represented” minority cultures (or they quickly stopped being targeted, though to some extent laws are laws), whose men are thought to “be under enough pressure” blah, blah, blah. Actually, it was one part of PC leftism colliding with another.

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:06 pm chic noir

Whiskey Chic — you know I love you but you’re on the wrong coast. :< Sigh
*DEAD FAINT*
You love me, you really love me

You have no idea how happy this has made me.

So that’s all there is. Besides you would not want my two hour rave about how Dexter Gordon was the greatest Sax player, EVER,
Jazz isn’t bad. I like a little Cassandra Wilson and Themlomous(tp) Monk every now and then. Besides I have my own weird obsessions.
Whiskey NEVER talk about computers or comic books to women. EVER.
It depends on the woman. If you find one of those rare women who enjoys such things, well it’s all good. My mother collected comic books(archie,X-men and few others) back in her day and is still a big Star Trek(tp) fan*. Yes she was one of the first to see the new film and yes she liked it a lot.

Yes blk people dig star trek too. I prefer star trek the next generation to the first season. I haven’t watched many episodes with the female captain.
@firepower- I gave it a rest.

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:09 pm doug1

Firepower–

The “Blogosphere Empire” while generally intelligent, will always be an elite with far fewer members wielding influence than the overwhelming Armies Of Stupid awaiting the next Wolverine/X-Men/Tranformers mass market swill.

It’s not just a question of the level of intelligence that respective media are aimed at, or constitute their audience.

It’s also and really much more a question of emotional impact. Movies and shorter stories on TV if well done have far more emotional impact than blogs do. Even sex blogs, while they can be titilating (I’m told, I of course would never go there), are not multimedia experiences with excellent actors and large budgets.

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:14 pm doug1

Chic Noir–

Themlomous(tp) => Thelonious

(Just helpin out here, not dissin.)

Think felonious but substitute a Th.

Cool name. Cool jazz piano.

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:22 pm chic noir

Mu White and Black alike, swoon over the Man, both as Picard and as the X-Man founder Professor Charles Xavier
Yes this is true.

a Man’s best friend, provided he takes care of himself. Watch your weight, observe good hygiene, don’t drink, smoke, or use drugs. Going bald up top, no problem, shave it off. The Ladies will thank you.
Cosign
Omw Bald-plus-goatee is cute, too, IMO
I like this combo too omw. It can make the most geeky looking guy manly.

Omw comment at 1:14pm is epic. Men take notes.
Firepower You’d see bloggers as Stars
Some bloggers are stars but to a smaller audience. Firepower transformers is garbage I won’t go see it even if you paid me 20 bucks. Xmen on the otherhand, is worth the ten bucks

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on May 11, 2009 at 4:23 pm chic noir

@doug- thanks I was too lazy to google.

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on May 11, 2009 at 5:14 pm gig

I read an article some years ago saying that in Toronto some 95% of sexual offenders were trekkies (i.e. star trek fans)

the complete assexualization of the series was blamed by people there. They said that highly sexually-frustrated people liked Star trek because it offered then a-sexual entertainment, something they could wacth without even thinking about sex.

having read that, I saw a couple episodes in Tv again. And the tripulation pretty much looked liked a team of eunuchs. Even the women there looked like they had suffered a clitorectomy (don’t know how to write that) and behaved as women would behave if they worked with eunuchs

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on May 11, 2009 at 5:22 pm maurice

I never got in to the Next Generation and subsequent series, but the original Kirk was highly sexed and chased some alien’s or miniskirted crew girl’s tail literally every week. And the new movie, bless its heart, shows the young Kirk to be even more so.

Maybe that’s more of a commentary on Canadians than Trekkies?

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on May 11, 2009 at 5:58 pm gig

I believe they shared that finding with some other city polices in North America and discovered that the phenomenom was widespread.

Kirk may have talked with girls, but usually in a way that only made sense if he hadn’t balls and she didn’t have a clitoris.

can you think of a more assexual than Spock?

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:01 pm gig

people may have watched Star trek by any possible reason, including lack of alternatives. or because they liked laser pistols, tele-transport, spaceships and so on.

but you can’t change the almost unbelievable assexuality of the characters.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:02 pm maurice

Yeah, so I guess the show had sex, but the fans had none. Won’t disagree with you there. Spock was asexual (but not in the new version) but was very charismatic in his own way. I remember reading somewhere that Nimoy got an unusual amount of female fan mail, some of it quite weird.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:22 pm gig

some of it quite weird

probably all of it.

just google “toronto star trek sex offenders”
then put a minus in front of toronto, i.e., -toronto and google again.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:25 pm chic noir

gigcan you think of a more assexual than Spock?

Spock was gansta his mean mug/blank face game was proper . No matter what went down, he always kept his cool.

Some hot chic from another galaxy came aboard the ship, Spock would just look at her like she was piece of lint.

Spacecraft in danger of crashing or being invaded, Spock just looking cool tells Shatner(tp) what to do to avoid it.
When the gang went to another planet and had to take to their heels because they were being fired upon, Spock ran with the ease of Michael Johnson in 400m ‘@96 Olympics.

Anybody else think “Data”(?) from Star Trek the next generation was an ubber beta? Spock would have demolished him. Spock’s stare down alone would have been enough to make Data throw up and dead faint.

Whose Alpha:

Xmen females

Mystique or Storm

I say Mystique

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:28 pm cptnapalm

gig: Have you ever seen an episode of the original series? Kirk, the main character, primarily existed to find strange new life forms to beat the men to death and sleep with their women. The man hooked up with white women, black women and green women.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:31 pm gig

like she was piece of lint

and if got naked in front of him his answer would be: “there are rules in this spaceship against nakedness”

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:33 pm gig

I repeat. Google “sex offenders star trek”. Drop the Toronto stuff.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:35 pm chic noir

@maurice- Spock had female fans because some women love a man who isn’t moved by anything. Spock was the type to keep eating his peanuts even if a chic with a short skirt was dancing on the bar in front of him. He wouldn’t even take a peak at her thong when it’s just inches from his face. Instead, he would just look at her with a blank stare and demand that she move before she knocks over his peanuts.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:46 pm doug1

chic noir

Spock had female fans because some women love a man who isn’t moved by anything. Spock was the type to keep eating his peanuts even if a chic with a short skirt was dancing on the bar in front of him.

I’m not going to say you’re wrong about that but I am going to say those kinds of girls have a screw lose (or gene twisted).

It’s highly functional for attractive women to only be attracted to men that are hard to entice. It’s dysfunction to be attracted to men it’s literally impossible to entice. That that was the case with Spock did not require rocket science to grock. Bimbos.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:50 pm chic noir

If you think Spock was cold, he had nothing on Schroder. Poor Lucy would roll her naked As all over his piano and get no love from Schroder. He would keep his head down and play Batoven until his fingers bleed.

Charlie brown was the ubber beta of the carton world. How the hell you gonna walk for days thru rain, snow, sleet, and ice to talk to a girl and chump out after you reach her house. Even cry baby funky blanket carrying Linus was shaking his head at Charlie Brown. IIRC, didn’t Linus man up and ring the “little red head girl’s” door bell ?

greater beta-Snoopy

Alpha-Woodstock( he freeloaded off Snoopy and took his woman)

Pig Pen- dirty DJ hipster dude who gets women.
Lucy- the much hated lawyer ball breaker type by the men here.
Franklin- the DA of the crowd.
Linus- sensitive beta who would kick azz if pushed to far.
Sally brown- def of good girl to the men here. She loved beta Linus
Peppermint Patty- butch chic who could beat the hell out of any of the boys(-puberty). She rocked flipflops and lumber jacket plaid before Old Navy style grunge became cool.
Marcie- Peppermint Patty’s girlfriend
Frieda- God bless her, the type of woman who made it cool for women to play sports.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:50 pm Default User

chic noir

…because some women love a man who isn’t moved by anything… Instead, he would just look at her with a blank stare and demand that she move before she knocks over his peanuts.

Wouldn’t they be a bit disapointed when they found out he cared more for peanuts then her?

Hmm! Spock game?

Might work except for the peanut fethish.
(though I supose you could have a conversion at the end and discover your human side).

As a side note:
I bet McCoy would be the romantic one.

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:52 pm Default User

chic noir

Alpha = Garfield
beta = Jon (or whatever the owner was called)

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on May 11, 2009 at 6:59 pm chic noir

@doug1-For some women, a man who offers some type of chase is exciting because the average decent looking woman has men throwing themselves at you as soon as you leave the house. I’ve watched this play out on the NYC subway at Times Sq. Take a very attractive woman with a somewhat close fitting outfit of any race who is also young enough to reproduce and watch the reaction of the males in the vicinity.

Even little boys will stare but without the lust of men who have gone thru puberty. Most men won’t approach her, but many will give her that “you want some D*.c?K look that men are fond of giving women. There isn’t a woman on this board lurking who hasn’t experienced that look.

Some insecure females will also look at her but with jealousy, envy, and hatred. A small number (20%) will appreciate not hate on another female’s beauty and others still will be indifferent.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:06 pm chic noir

Default User
chic noir

Alpha = Garfield
beta = Jon

LOLROF
yea Garfield was alpha, he owned Jon all day everyday. How you gonna let a housecat take your food and run your house like he pay bills.

Wouldn’t they be a bit disappointed when they found out he cared more for peanuts then her?
No because she isn’t a woman he is in a relationship with. I’m thinking of the Paris Hilton type you meet in a bar. Just walking up to her telling her she’s beautiful ain’t gonna do since she has men throwing themselves at her all the time. So you gotta act like you don’t see her while all the other men are overly qualifying themselves to her.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:23 pm doug1

chic noir

@doug1-For some women, a man who offers some type of chase is exciting because the average decent looking woman has men throwing themselves at you as soon as you leave the house.

Ah, duuhhh. Thanks so much for clearing that up for me chic. You have been reading comments here for awhile, right?

As well, did you actually read what I wrote? It included:

It’s highly functional for attractive women to only be attracted to men that are hard to entice.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:34 pm Default User

chic noir

…No because she isn’t a woman he is in a relationship with…

[Given that we are talking about Spock]

What you are saying is that geeky overly logical guys just need to play geeky overly logical guys and they will score chicks. 🙂
[Why didn’t I think of that. I will steal it and call it the Default Method]

Kidding aside I do understand the dynamic.

Are you saying that those female fans hoped to be the one to break him (and his peanut fetish)? Or was it just (non sexual/romantic) interest in a man that could be so cool (unemotional/detached).
[I wonder what age these fans were – pre-puberty?]

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:34 pm omw

oh, yes, McCoy was adorable.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:36 pm Default User

omw

oh, yes, McCoy was adorable.

That is illogical.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:37 pm omw

But the most underrated character, for sheer adolescent omg-i-wanna-have-his-babies-ness is definitely Scotty.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:38 pm omw

aw, Default! Love with logic hath no lasting luster. 😦

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:39 pm doug1

chic noir–

Linus- sensitive beta who would kick azz if pushed to far.

Not a big Peanuts reader or watcher, but Linus had alpha potential, probably in the artist category. The kid was prepubescent for cisssakes. Still had his ways.

Lucy- the much hated lawyer ball breaker type by the men here.

Any man who DOES like Lucy is either deeply propagandized (and weak for being THAT suggestible) or a male submissive, or some of both.

I guess strong men could think she would be ok as a female friend that kept the betas in line. She simply showed way to little female charm in anything I ever saw to seem interesting to a guy who could stand her down and impress her. Though perhaps they modified her at some point to show that side, or more likely that she would get all charming with a guy who could equal her, given the feminist fronting message.

Poor Lucy would roll her naked As all over his piano and get no love from Schroder. He would keep his head down and play Batoven until his fingers bleed.

Schroeder was cool. That cat knew quality female ass when it saw it, and that Lucy ain’t got it.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:40 pm doug1

omw

But the most underrated character, for sheer adolescent omg-i-wanna-have-his-babies-ness is definitely Scotty.

Someone has daddy issues.

But my lips are sealed.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:40 pm Default User

omw

Actually I loved the tension between the logical Spock, the pragmatic Kirk, and the humane Mc Coy.

Sort of like three archetypes.

I always enjoyed Mc Coy’s disaste for Spock (“Are you out of your Vulcan mind?” “I’m trying to thank you, you pointed-eared hobgoblin!”)

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:42 pm omw

Really, Doug? I never really saw Scotty as old.

(but yes, I certainly qualify as having Daddy Issues.) lol.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:43 pm Default User

omw

aw, Default! Love with logic hath no lasting luster.

Don’t worry, on matters of love I am with Mc Coy (with a little bit of Kirk thrown in as well).

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:43 pm omw

three archetypes, huh? I never really thought of it that way, but that makes a lot of sense, D.

Actually, I’ve never seriously thought about Star Trek at all. Maybe it is better that way. 🙂

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:47 pm Default User

omw

omw:
But the most underrated character, for sheer adolescent omg-i-wanna-have-his-babies-ness is definitely Scotty.

doug1: Someone has daddy issues.

Don’t be too hard on omw, “She canna take it captain”

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:50 pm doug1

omw —

Really, Doug? I never really saw Scotty as old.

I wasn’t focusing on his being old particularly but instead utterly competent and quietly strong. He always under promised and over delivered. He was an anti cad, and reliable dad type. He’s the type that could readily cheat, but wouldn’t, because he’d promised his wife he wouldn’t — and his word was his bond.

Like that.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:51 pm Default User

omw

Actually, I’ve never seriously thought about Star Trek at all. Maybe it is better that way.

The archetype thing came to me as I was typing.

It is my brilliant mind (a mixture of Kirk, Spock, and Mc Coy). 🙂

And it is better that way.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:54 pm omw

Ah, but that’s adorable! No whining, no excuses, no head-games, and he’s probably hilarious drunk.

Scotty is the kind of guy worth a gal’s time, the only sort really worth sacrificing your good looks for.

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on May 11, 2009 at 7:58 pm Default User

doug1

I wasn’t focusing on his being old particularly but instead utterly competent and quietly strong. He always under promised and over delivered. He was an anti cad, and reliable dad type. He’s the type that could readily cheat, but wouldn’t, because he’d promised his wife he wouldn’t — and his word was his bond.

The kind of man that should get the girl.

Not that I had anything against Kirk who also was a pretty cool guy.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:00 pm doug1

omw–

Yes.

I wrote him up for you babe.

But it’s also the way he’s portrayed on the show.

One could write him up more negatively, but no one can get around his utter competence and rock of Gibraltar strength. Or his loyalty to those and what he’d pledged to.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:02 pm omw

yep, that’s my guy, there. Thx, Doug!

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:07 pm Obsidian

No dis to Chic, and to pickup on points raised by both Doug and Kamal, but this whole notion of the “strong Woman” thing in movies nowadays, typified by the X-Men flicks (Mystique, Storm, Jean Grey/Phoenix) and even the new/old Star Trek in Uhura, just simply leaves me Spock-cold. Comic books and stuff like Trek are about guys, for guys, gals are just along along for the ride-sorry Ladies, but I gots to keep it real.

Whiskey’s the resident movie man in the room, but what I do know is that just about every major flick that featured a “kick ass” female lead was a huge flop at the box office-Lara Croft/Tombraider, Kill Bill, Catwoman, Electra, and if anyone thinks Storm or Mystique carried *any* X-Man flick they have got to be sniffing airplane glue. Wolverine is hands down the most popular X-Man and has been for years, although he was a “second teamer” along w/Storm and Kurt Wagner aka Nightcrawler. One major reason, quiet as its kept, as to why the Woman Woman reboot has had such a hard time getting off the ground, is because guys won’t really want to watch it and gals don’t dig comics enough to support it either.

In about another week or so the latest Terminator flick drops, and again, it will be carried by strong *male* leads. Linda Hamilton’s portrayal of a tough as nails Sarah Connor was, to my mind an exception to the rule, as was Weaver’s Ripley of the Aliens series, particularly the first two flicks . Still, let’s keep in mind-in BOTH flicks, it was guys who were doing the heavy lifting (Arnold and the “liquid Terminator” played by Patrick) and in the Alien(s) flicks, Skerritt, Paxton and Biehn (the latter of whom of course, played a prominent role in “T1”).

When it comes to Hollywood’s moneymakers the facts are clear-the audience, mainly teenage boys and young dault Men running through their 40s, don’t want to see “kick ass strong Women”-they to see themselves onscreen, vanquishing the villian and getting the girl in the end. As corny, and even “sexist” as that may be, its what pays Hollywood’s bills. And by all accounts, that aint changing anytime soon.

And, what’s with all the hatin’ on the Transformers? I had no idea it would be as good as it was. Mann did a much better job than I thought, and the work and detail they put into the Autobots/Decepticons was truly awesome-I read somewhere that Ironhide’s cannons alone took some 10K pieces to “transform”.

I was impressed w/the work they put into Optimus Prime and Bumblebee, their “updates” being very nice, and I liked Jazz, too, w/his Hip Hop-inspired voice inflections and Caporeira-based body movements. And, who couldn’t love the rumble btw Prime and Boncrusher on the highway overpass, w/the latter roller skating like an NHL player? I thought that was a very nice touch.

So I’m looking foward to the sequel, supposed to drop next month. Yea, yea, Transformers aint gonna be nominated for ay Grammys, for devastating plot lines or great actin performances, but it doesn’t have to be-its a big, fun flick that serves a purpose. And I don’t have any problem with that.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:08 pm doug1

Default User

The archetype thing [in Star Trek characters] came to me as I was typing.

Yeaah. I’ve probably given the show’s characters more thought in the last few minutes than the rest of my life.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:12 pm Chic noir

Default user Are you saying that those female fans hoped to be the one to break him (and his peanut fetish)? Or was it just (non sexual/romantic) interest in a man that could be so cool (unemotional/detached).

Default, a man like Spock is to women what a woman who doesn’t put out to soon is to men. A challenge, for all the bitching they do, some people of both genders like a little bit of work.
Doug1 It’s highly functional for attractive women to only be attracted to men that are hard to entice.

I really think that for the most part it’s the 9&10’s and bar skanks who feel this way. Most? Women want some degree of chase but not the hardened “I don’t care if your tunnel is paved in gold” of Mr. Spock.

The average woman really isn’t that bad but keep in mind that any decent looking woman has men yelling, winking, FUI from random men as soon as she leaves the house. So it’s only natural that she will grow indifferent to male attention unless you offer something special and something special could be looks, income, shared hobbies, good body,6ft+ etc…

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:12 pm Default User

doug1

Yeaah. I’ve probably given the show’s characters more thought in the last few minutes than the rest of my life.

Kind of silly but fun.

I loved your take on Scotty. Never really thought about before, but you summed up his appeal.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm Default User

chic noir

some people of both genders like a little bit of work.

Work should be hard…
…but play easy. 😉

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:16 pm PA

Sailer speculated, correctly in my opinion, that the ass-kicking movie heroines are primarily aimed at adolescent male nerd audiences. Sexually immature males. Guys who are too uncomfortable with women being female, with all that female strangeness.

In other words, these ass-kicking heroines are nerd wish-fulfilment fantasies of girls being into guy stuff. Basically dudes with tits — who happen to also be into swords, explosions, and martial arts.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:21 pm Obsidian

Oh, and if you like older guys in flicks who still got it and can kick ass, you owe it to yourself to checkout Liam Neesson in “Taken”-a Luc Besson film (La Femme Nikita, The Professional), cost less than 20MIL to make and has been a huge success, so much so that a sequel has been announced. Neeson, who plays a retired CIA Man, kicks ass throughout the entire flick to get his daugher back from sex trade gangsters. Its like watching Jason Bourne at 50-ish, and he’s still got it (interestingly enough, both Taken and “Identity” take place in Paris).
O

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:21 pm Default ???

–chic noir

FUI?
[showing is lack of hip]

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:23 pm Chic noir

Obsidian
No dis to Chic, and to pickup on points raised by both Doug and Kamal, but this whole notion of the “strong Woman” thing in movies nowadays, typified by the X-Men flicks (Mystique, Storm, Jean Grey/Phoenix) and even the new/old Star Trek in Uhura, just simply leaves me Spock-cold. Comic books and stuff like Trek are about guys, for guys, gals are just along along for the ride-sorry Ladies, but I gots to keep it real.
*sigh *

Oh Mu why why why must you post such a thing. My mom would say otherwise.
and if anyone thinks Storm or Mystique carried *any* X-Man flick they have got to be sniffing airplane glue
You are kidding yourself. Mystique could carry an X-men flick if well written with a good director.

is because guys won’t really want to watch it and gals don’t dig comics enough to support it either.
I can dig this but in general, movies that target women flop. S&TC being an exception to the rule. “He’s just not that in to you” only made 80 million, sisters of the traveling pants flop. Charlie’s Angles part I did really well. I think part two went reasonably well too.
MU, the Matrix featured strong females too.

Linda Hamilton’s portrayal of a tough as nails Sarah Connor was, to my mind an exception to the rule, as was Weaver’s Ripley of the Aliens series, particularly the first two flicks
I was going to mention these two but I see you did.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:23 pm Default ???

Obsidian

“Taken”

Thanks, I will keep and eye out for it.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:26 pm Chic noir

@default, sorry,that should be I want to ” f” you glance.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:29 pm Obsidian

PA,
Yup, im down w/what Sailer speculates, and I maintain that all the geeks in the world can’t make Catwoman or Kill Bill into the kind of box office smash that Iron Man, The Dark Knight or even a low budget flick like Taken was/are. In pur raw numbers terms, there’s simply no comparison.

So, in a major way, Doug is right to note the agendas of Hollywood, or at the very least, key voices within it. Even at the risk of losing hundreds of millions of dollars, they keep trying to put these “strong” Women roles up that guys by and large DON’T CARE ABOUT. It’s really as simple as that.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:32 pm omw

Sounds like a plausible explanation to me, PA. Would explain the popularity of Lara Croft with gamers, but the general public’s relative lack of interest in watching a Tomb Raider movie.

Fiona from “Burn Notice” seems to have a broader appeal. She’s emotionally very feminine, very vulnerable, which makes her fondness for explosives and automatic weapons more believable, somehow.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:34 pm Chic noir

i said pigpin was a hipster DJ, put i off by a little. Look at him being all ironic playing a cello with his fingers.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:35 pm schoolboy

Attraction isn’t a choice.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:37 pm Default User

chic noir

sorry,that should be I want to ” f” you glance.

The difference a few words make.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:38 pm doug1

Obsidian —

Epic comment. (To pick up a meme that’s floating around here lately, since it’s merited here.)

t will be carried by strong *male* leads. Linda Hamilton’s portrayal of a tough as nails Sarah Connor was, to my mind an exception to the rule, as was Weaver’s Ripley of the Aliens series, particularly the first two flicks .

Personally I couldn’t remotely make an exception for Sigourney Weaver (fellow alum) in the Aliens series. In fact in some ways the second and third movie in that series were an archtypal for me “female in a dominant male role and I don’t like it” experience. I actually viscerally couldn’t stand it, especially after Aliens 3. For awhile I wasn’t outspoken about it, though I did express lack of enthusiasm. I processed. I mulled it over and tumbled it around together with other things in my head. There wasn’t a lot to hang onto out there at that time, among those that weren’t afraid of change, were very pro the sexual revolution, were liberal (aka moderately leftist), and not religious. No Roissy blogs for me to read.

And then slowly those flicks helped me turn against feminism. Really. One small factor, but it was in the mix.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:39 pm omw

is that a cello or an upright bass?

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:40 pm doug1

chic noir

Oh Mu why why why must you post such a thing. My mom would say otherwise.

I completely agree with him.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:42 pm Obsidian

Chic,
I hate to disabuse you or your mom, but the numbers are on my side. But, in any event, we may get to see a Mystique flick-its my understanding that Marvel intends to do a “origins” style film of every major X-Man character, starting w/the recently released Wolverine vehicle. Next up is a flick on Magneto, which is due to drop later this year I think. So we may see a Mystique flick, and I do hope they get top notch writers and directors. Personally, I’m not jacked to go see it, because even in the comics, Mystique isn’t a major mover and shaker in the X-Men storyline like Xavier, Magneto, or even Gambit, a newcomer in many ways, was/is.

And, please note that while I mentioned Weaver and Hamilton, that I also mentioned Arnold, Biehn, Paxton, Patrick and Skerritt. Take them out and you kill the movie. That simple.

The Matrix? Trinity was nice to look at (as was Monica Belucci, the Merovingian’s “wife”, whom I LOVED, btw-he’s hands down my fave character of the entire series) and had some skills-but again, the movie was about Neo and his teacher, the Noble Negro Morpheus.

Btw, my singlemost fave scene in then entire series was when Neo goes to meet the Oracle for the second time (“Reloaded”). But first he has to get by Seraph, her bodguard. The tight fight “qualifying” sequence is, in my view, probably the best of the whole series. Watch it again, lots of locks, blocks and moves involved. Very, very tight cherography.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:44 pm PA

— Linda Hamilton’s portrayal of a tough as nails Sarah Connor was, to my mind an exception to the rule, as was Weaver’s Ripley of the Aliens series, particularly the first two flicks

Linda Hamilton mostly fought to save her son’s life. And her fighting in T1 and T2 consisted mostly of running away from the assassin, with male characters doing most of the actual fighting.

Violently protecting their young is one area that women do “kick ass” in real life. Don’t fuck with momma bear’s pups!

Same with Weaver in Aliens, who for the most part was running and hiding to save the little girl’s life. The Marines, as Obsidian noted, did most of the fighting.

Wild scene there toward the end, when one bitch momma squared off with another: Ripley stands before the Alien egg-hatching queen, and points her flame thrower at the rows of pods. The creature emits an almost humanlike whimper of anguish.

What a friggin cat fight!

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:44 pm Default User

doug1

I think men like (movies and real life) a girl with a bit of moxie, so long as she is still feminine and not trying to be the man.

A lot of the old era women were like that. Even the Fatales were still Femme.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:46 pm Chic noir

*I was off by a little*

Watch Schroder lay down his Spock game proper on the ever bloviating angry high T feminist one day attorney that is Lucy. Schroder pays no attention to Lucy even as she goes out of her way to groom herself in front of him with the hope of adding a point or two to her sexual market value. When that doesn’t work, she behaves in the way that only a man hating high t woman can, destroy what is most valuable to a man, for Schroder that’s his piano.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:52 pm Chic noir

omw
is that a cello or an upright bass?

It very well could be omw

doug1I completely agree with him.
You don’t say 😉

MuI hate to disabuse you or your mom, but the numbers are on my side. Yea I know. Even at a star trek convention, men outnumber women.

Mu, mystique can do well she just has to combine equal parts sexuality with her tuff girl demenor.

But, in any event, we may get to see a Mystique flick-its my understanding that Marvel intends to do a “origins” style film of every major X-Man character, starting w/the recently released Wolverine vehicle
*gives mu some dap*
You have no idea how happy this makes me. My mom dukes and I will be in the theatre to see each one.
I never realized my mom is such a geek/nerd.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:52 pm Default User

Chic noir

Watch Schroder lay down his Spock game proper on the ever bloviating angry high T feminist…

Are you angling for the role of guest blogger here? Coz that was pretty good.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:53 pm Chic noir

*takes a bow*

@default, thanks very much my good man 🙂

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:54 pm Obsidian

Doug,
I agree w/you on many points. Aliens 3 was plagued by many problems, from the director refusing to finish the movie, to confusion among the many script writers, etc., but no doubt, the implausible role Ripley played in the film played a role as well. I personally didn’t like the film *at all* and most fans of the series consider it a flop.

On the other hand, I liked by Predator films, I thought both Arnold and Danny Glover turned in good performances, and was looking forward to a “P3”. Maybe it’ll still happen, because to my mind there’s still a lot of meat on the bone to work with. The crossover series btw it and Alien was OK, I thought Sanaa Latham was a nice nod to Ripley, but the sequel SUCKED.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:55 pm doug1

Obsidian–

Liam Neesson in “Taken”-a Luc Besson film (La Femme Nikita, The Professional),

Liam Neeson is awesome. My live in gf before this one was totally in love with him.

What I quoted you for though is La Femme Nikita. The French, Luc Bresson original verson, not the palid Bridgit Fonda American remake, or the series.

Now THAT was a flick with a female multiple stone cold assassin that was hot, hot , hot. Nikita (Anne Parillaud) killed with a silenced 9mm, but she got close and unsuspected by exquisite feminine wiles. A modern day femme fatale, literally.

As well Parillaud was just stunning, literally, in those slinky tight stylish black minidresses. Yeah it was her but they showed her off to perfection. So much so that when I became separated pending divorce a few years later, I looked up what she was wearing in that flick (Aliah, which had opened a boutique in Soho) and my tall Texas stripper gf (who soon became live in) and I went shopping. Yeah.

Now that’s a “tough killer girl” flick I could get into.

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on May 11, 2009 at 8:56 pm Default User

Chic noir

thanks very much my good man

Guess I should throw out a neg now…

…Good for a chick that is.

😉

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:08 pm Chic noir

mu Aliens 3 was plagued by many problems, from the director refusing to finish the movie

Say what, you have more info?

@default- You negs needed here. Some of us don’t want to much work. When we see/meet a man we want, it don’t take much to close. Whiskey was able to win me over because of his love of children and morals.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:08 pm Gunslingergregi

I’d say star treck had the most believable premise on weapons for space fighting. They had a shield to defend against attacks. They understood that in future weapons will not miss. Then when they did land based battles yea phasers missing not gonna happen. Everyone they attacked would have just been teleported up to a holding cell.

Just like the terminator though. If they made it realistic would make for a very short movie.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:08 pm Obsidian

PA,
I’m sure you realize that this month marks the *30 year anniversary* of the first Alien movie coming out, yes? And, in many ways, it broke ground that not even the almight Star Trek or Star Wars films didn’t. One of those themes had to do w/sexuality, and in particular, rape. In many ways, the Alien is a rapist. And Ripley’s centrality to the arc of the story is a commentary on rape.

This is why I was hoping for a bit more in the Predator/Alien crossover, because of the commentary it offers on primordial sex roles/mating and so forth. Fans of both will know what I mean.

The reason why Alien(s) continues to be such a huge hit is because of these primal themes.

And yea, as usual, when come time to checkout that bump in the night, nine times outta ten its the guy doing the checking.

Hollywood ought to reflect that fact. Without apology, and with a good degree of celebration I might add.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:17 pm Default User

–Chic

Whatever about negs, humor is always needed.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:22 pm Chic noir

Tella Tubes have nothing on Peanuts

^^^
peanuts teaches children life lessions. Look how Peppermint Patty qualifies herself through the putdowns of more attractive females. She says, yea Fredda has culy hair and the little red head girl has red hair but I’m in shape. Those other itches will be fat in no time.

^^^another video of that ubber ball buster fem man hater high t Lucy. Look at how the beta males have been corrupted by feminist philosophy. Notice that by the end of the video there are only three males and Snoopy playing the game. Note how happy the beta males are to jump at the beck and call of lantern jawed Lucy. The betas jump up and down with a look that is equal parts servitude and mollification from years of being water boarded with feminist ideas.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:24 pm Obsidian

Chic,
You could spend a bit of money to get the DVDs of Alien 3 for the backstory, or, you could simply look it up on Wikipedia, or you could do both if you’re really that into it. When I say the director was sour on the project, I mean it-he refused to be a part of the DVD release.

David Twohy was among the writers for the script, I think there were something like 3 or 4 other writers, at least, involved, and as you might suspect it was fraught with conflicting storylines and ideas. It got so bad that rewrites were going on while actually shooting the movie, hence the reason why the director dropped out of shooting.

I believe Biehn was supposed to be part of the film early on, but then was written out, kinda, in favor of the “prison planet/religion” storyline, which I *hated*. Dutton was a waste of artistic talent, he should have been a hardened Marine Sarge heading up a crack team to deal w/an Aliean infestation. There should not have been a Ripley “comeback” the story is about the Alien(s), not Ripley, and besides they could have found another female trope to work with. Biehn should have been in the third film to keep continuity from the second, and his role in the Marines would work well alongside a properly cast Dutton. The planet should have been a scientific colony type deal, where experiments carried out on the Aliens goes awry, all with Weylan-Yutani’s blessing. Would have been a much better flick, focused on action, a plausible story/plot, and leaves room for yet another chapter in the series. Instead, what we got was a horrid flick that no one likes, and leaving the Aliens franchise in limbo (Resurrection was WHACKED as well).

I still think a smart, well-laid out Aliens flick could work, but in order to do that they would have to be seriously anti-PC, meaning kill the Ripley-esque meme. The “bitch” IS the Alien. Bring in some unapologetic kickass Futuristic Force Recons and do the dame thing.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:33 pm Chic noir

Mu The tight fight “qualifying” sequence is, in my view, probably the best of the whole series. Watch it again, lots of locks, blocks and moves involved. Very, very tight cherography.
that sequence wasn’t bad but I preferred the fight Morpheus had with the albino twins. Much better fight. The fight sequence between Leo and the Merovingian’s lynch men on the stair case was too much, just complete overkill.

was nice to look at (as was Monica Belucci, the Merovingian’s “wife”, whom I LOVED, btw-he’s hands down my fave character of the entire series)

Monica is bad all the way around. Merovingian is my second fav character. I preferred the old white haired man, his name escapes me now.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:33 pm Default User

Chic noir

The betas jump up and down with a look that is equal parts servitude and mollification from years of being water boarded with feminist ideas.

OK Roissy, you have overplayed your hand.

This is not Chic, this you posting under her name.

Almost had me.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:37 pm Chic noir

naw, default that’s me.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:38 pm doug1

chic noir–

Thanks for that “Lucy Says” clip. Do you know the vintage of what it’s clipped from?

I really doubt that could have come from Peanuts even in the 80’s. It’s just too unapologetic and unnuanced. Virtually no rebellion. Just a single male shrug that I caught. Some protest, even.

90’s and oughts, yes.

Although the clip does end not with three males and snoopy still following “Lucy says”, but all the guys having slipped off screen, with only snoopy the dog still following. (It was so late in the clip though, the last couple of seconds, that the meaning is ambiguous. Gives males something to pathetically hold onto, while avoiding pissing off the celebratory “strong girls”.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:39 pm Default User

Chic noir

Total beta suplication here…
… but below is a link to the IMDB page. It mentions walk-outs.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/trivia

David Fincher who directed (and disowned) Aliens 3 also directed (and did not disown) Se7en and Fight Club.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:42 pm Default User

Chic noir

naw, default that’s me.

Hi Roissy, shouldn’t you be working on tomorrow’s post?

🙂

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:44 pm doug1

Obsidian–

As an aside observation coming from your discussion of The Matrix, it’s fascinating to me how movie makers will use a term like “Merovingian” as a group name in a futurist flick aimed at a broad audience.

I’m sure that 99 to 99.5% of the audience couldn’t say what the word means or refers to in real life. Yet the writers and director know that it has resonance. And it does. I’m also sure that a lot of the audience knows it comes somewhere from the past, and is “weighty” in some way.

This sort of thing is done all the time.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:45 pm doug1

Default–

As Bhetti sometimes says to me, you’re trouble.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:45 pm Obsidian

Chic,
Yea, the “duel” btw Morpheus and the twins wasn’t bad, but a bit too brief. I was kinda hoping to see a bit more of them, but oh well.

The fight btw Morpheus and the agent on top of the tractor trailer was pretty good, too. Clearly Morpheus began to “believe” he could do at least as well as agents, since he fought this one to pretty much a standstill.

Of course, the Matrix “style” of fighting is of almost no use in the realworld; far too loopy and inefficient to be of much use, actually you end up hurting yourself if anything. For that you need the more FMA-Krav Maga inspired stuff you see in Bourne and Taken films.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:46 pm David Alexander

Basically dudes with tits — who happen to also be into swords, explosions, and martial arts.

Ahh, yes, the desire for a girl who likes your esoteric hobby. Sadly, most of us must put up with women who only tolerate the existence of your hobby.* My brother in contrast lucked out by getting his art school attending, Pokemon playing girlfriend into cars. Regardless, it does seem that a decent chunk of the male population is looking for dudes who are hot and have tits, but then it’s the theory that it’s easier and makes for good companionship relationships.

*Non-date doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with liking trains. Nor does another female co-worker. Or they’re lying.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:52 pm tupacchopra

Chic:P

Default, a man like Spock is to women what a woman who doesn’t put out to soon is to men. A challenge, for all the bitching they do, some people of both genders like a little bit of work.

This only inflames the desire to *catch*, i.e., it’s all about the woman’s ego. It doesn’t moisturize the vaj.

Once she “catches”, the thrill is gone.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:52 pm Default Trouble User

doug1

As Bhetti sometimes says to me, you’re trouble.

It’s my middle name.

PS I have not seen her around recently.

Bhetti say hello don’t make me go quadbike on you.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:52 pm doug1

chic–

I think it’s time for a change up in your featured footwear. Those are sexy elegant and all, but how about something different?

How ’bout a slightly chunkier version that’s a tad platform all around? I said a tad mind you.

Something that, if worn by a less classy looking chic than yourself, might get called (by those out of the know that don’t recognize the brand), “whore shoes.”

Go for it girlfriend!

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:53 pm Jack Burton

xsplat,

I’m not worried, you’re missing the point.

It’s a descriptive statement. I’m not David D’fucking’angelo selling “alphaness” to suckers.

It’s interesting that you would think I was suggesting that men ought to obsessively check and recheck their personalities for unattractive flaws like John Edwards before a photo op.

It’s Aristotelian: men who lead virtuous lives are passionate about important, interesting things; lame, cowardly dorks bore people with their pointless trivial obsessions. Which is why, whiskey, “NEVER talk about computers or comic books to women,” is useless advice. If you need to tell yourself that, it won’t help, because chicks are very sophisticated detectors (subconsciously) of that type of shit. But there are guys out there who would find that advice ridiculous — they have something interesting to say about computers and/or comic books.

The rest of you need to shut up.

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:55 pm Obsidian

Doug,
Very good point, and I aint even gonna front, I had togo lookup the relevance of the name “Merovingian” to the Matrix series, and then said “Ah! Gotcha” when I read it.

Dave Alex, the notion that one’s girl has to be his companion in every way is yet another symptom of the PC nature of our times. Women are fundamentally different from us, they have differing interests and drives, and I personally see nothing wrong with that at all.

The Iron Man flick shows this very well, in the scene where Stark asks his assistant Pepper Potts to help him swap out the mini-arc reactor that keeps him alive. The scene is funny as hell, * because* Potts isn’t a technogeek like Stark. Its the difference between the two that makes for the sexual tension, and heck, Downey and Paltrow look good together and play off each other very well. I’m given to understand that they kinda picked up on the classic Cary Grant/Audrey Hepburn movies of old. Makes sense to me.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 9:59 pm Chic noir

Mu Chic,
Yea, the “duel” btw Morpheus and the twins wasn’t bad, but a bit too brief. I was kinda hoping to see a bit more of them, but oh well.
I felt the same way. That’s why we I play the clip on youtube, I watch the sequence 4-5 times before I let the clip play throught.

@doug1- IIRC, that clip came about in the 90’s. I remember seeing it as a child.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:04 pm Obsidian

Default,
Thanks for giving the Alien 3 director’s name. It escaped me, and I didn’t feel like looking it up. Good lookin out.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:05 pm David Alexander

Dave Alex, the notion that one’s girl has to be his companion in every way is yet another symptom of the PC nature of our times. Women are fundamentally different from us, they have differing interests and drives, and I personally see nothing wrong with that at all.

I think that for a lot of these guys, if the girls aren’t basically hot female versions of their best friends, they don’t want them around at all or only at most for sexual purposes. “Normal” girls drive them crazy.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:15 pm Obsidian

Dave Alex,
Yea, I hear ya. That’s why I’m pleased that Hollywood *seems* to be changing a bit to allow for writers of differing backgrounds, to bring in differing ideas, and for me, scripts and storylines that mirror how things actually go in the realworld. In the realworld, Men and Women still do operate in their own worlds, and come together on sexual grounds, or at least that theme hangs in the background. The whole “buddy” thing is actually something your grandparents did. Which again, ain’t necessarily bad, just a bit overblown.

Nerdy guys are the last people to try and write about sexual attraction and the like, their ideas are horrid.

O

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:16 pm Chic noir

Last one I swear

Moving on with Mu’s theme, men are always better and stronger physically, take a look a Lucy in this video . The poisoning of Lucy’s mind via title IX has been such that she really thinks she has a shoot of knocking out the male Snoopy. Snoopy is a greater beta, and shows her the physical differences between a man and woman even when the woman has a slight size advantage. Watch Snoopy beat that ass like he’s beating lumps outta dough.
Pay attention to how unattractive the high T lucy becomes after attempting to “fight like a man”. Ding bat feminists full of shrivel learned during their buring of 100k to study Women’s History, like Lucy fail to realize men don’t want a man in a skirt. Lucy beating up Snoopy is like me trying to beat up DA. Although I’m 5’9.5 140lbs to DA’s 5’8 120lbs , I have little doubt DA would have any trouble putting me to sleep in a head to head fist fight.

Notice that after Lucy lands one good punch she smiles with feminist glee at being able to make her male superior her inferior aka beta b*tch. Only after getting slapped into next week does the deep seeded alpha laying dormant inside of every feminism brainwashed beta come out. It’s the stuff of revolutions, which my darling Whiskey writes about. Snoopy brings out the alpha caveman on that b?cth.

Peep out how Lucy loses her feminist riot grrrrl wanna be Laura Croft demeanor once Snoopy prepares to Chris Brown her butt. She takes to her heels like the high t but still very much a girl child that she is. The average female offers so little competition for the average man that he has to do little preparation to spread the average woman out. That’s why Snoopy takes a few minutes to peacock before turning off Lucy’s lights. Sadly, Snoopy is still a beta that’s why he kisses her to make up opening a can of kick ass.

P.S. How much you wanna bet Snoopy has Lucy in the buck inside of his dog house in two days time???

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:18 pm Chic noir

DAI think that for a lot of these guys, if the girls aren’t basically hot female versions of their best friends, they don’t want them around at all or only at most for sexual purposes. “Normal” girls drive them crazy.

excellent observation what you write is very true.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:23 pm Tupac Chopra

LOL I don’t know WTF is up with “””Chic Noir””” but whatever the case…big ups

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:26 pm Tupac Chopra

If that really is Chic writing this….you need to take a break from these blogs, sweetie.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:35 pm schoolboy

Hell to the nawww. That is not chicnoir, thats roissy.

“…another video of that ubber ball buster fem man hater high t Lucy. Look at how the beta males have been corrupted by feminist philosophy”

The power of roissy’s writing compels you.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:38 pm Chic noir

Yes Tupac it’s me.
I’ve been saying all along that I’m trying to perfect your dry type but very wity sense of humor. SO making you laugh is an honor my dear sir.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:38 pm David Alexander

Although I’m 5’9.5 140lbs to DA’s 5’8 120lbs

I’m 140 lbs! 🙂

Re: Nerds and Women

I think to a certain extent, these men make up a large part of the opt-out community. They just don’t connect with women and don’t find them interesting except in a limited sexual sense, and that’s if their sex drive isn’t lowered by virtue of their weakened sex drive.

Hell to the nawww. That is not chicnoir, thats roissy.

Something is off with her writing as well. I think it’s an imposter.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:40 pm Kamal S.

New dimensions to the phrase “doggy style”

I’m not quite sure that I want to picture snoopy in the buck with Lucy inside the snoop house.

I have to retain some vestige of my innocence, after all.

(bad pictures in my head, bad bad)

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:43 pm Default User

Chic noir

David Alexander is 140 lbs not 120.

If I were you I would offer a hug and forget the fight.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:45 pm Chic noir

schoolboy, not roissy pure chic noir. The bad sentence structure, small vocabulary and poor grammar should tell you it’s not Roissy. Although, my usage of street slang reads much more natural that when Roissy uses it.
The fact that a few of you think Roissy wrote the above tells me a few things:

1. It’s very easy to plagiarize another author if you’ve read a lot her/his work and appreciate his writing style.

2. sometimes those of us on the spectrum mimic to the identical when trying to pick up social and other types of norms from others.

3. Maybe I should start another blog and put up some ads to being in some money. The recession is making everybody hustle.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:47 pm Chic noir

sorry DA, i thought you were 120.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:48 pm Tupac Chopra

Hell to the nawww. That is not chicnoir, thats roissy.

Maybe Chic has finally learned Roissy’s very special lessons?

The power of roissy’s writing compels you.

I’m already having a hard enough time pushing away from the Roissy.

It’s my only weakness. 😉

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:50 pm Tupac Chopra

DA:

I’m 140 lbs!

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:50 pm Chic noir

DA, it’s me I swear.
DASomething is off with her writing as well. I think it’s an imposter
how so?

same mispellings, bad grammer, awful punication and cutsie smily faces.

*wonders if I will win commenter of the month*

I held the dubious honour on three blogs prior to this one.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:56 pm schoolboy

Well chic didn’t you have a blog before?
I think it was about shoes, models, and makeup.

Nevertheless, when you start to really mimic someones writing it really means you need to step off for a bit. In your case at least a week.

Real talk.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:57 pm Chic noir

@kamal- Snoopy display alpha manhood drives Lucy onto the darkside.

tupac Once she “catches”, the thrill is gone.
tupac- this is true for women across the board for a number of reasons.

somebody caption this

me first
how snoopy got his alpha back

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:58 pm Chic noir

yes I did schoolboy.

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on May 11, 2009 at 10:59 pm Default User

Chic noir

…The bad sentence structure, small vocabulary and poor grammar…

From fighting DA to channeling him?

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:01 pm schoolboy

Isley Brothers own the world.

Real talk.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:02 pm Chic noir

default- maybe I will become DA next.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:02 pm Chic noir

*writes beautifully*.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:03 pm Chic noir

then again, I don’t think I’m up to that challenge. DA’s is a beautiful writter.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:19 pm Bhetti

I don’t know how to feel about the fact that I had a Thinkpad. I am one laptop of seperation from roissy. My status has been demoted/elevated.

You males are saying Hugh Jackman chronically misplacing his clothing was for you lot? [Can we theorise all people are bisexual, yes, we can.]

Default: How can I refuse your order, sir? Hello. I can’t get anything past you, can I? *pretends not to be remotely pleased*

Kamal: You’ve just reminded me about something in terms of the annoying mouse. Maybe he was talking about practice makes perfect? Just the right pressure; there was an xkcd.com comic about this: http://xkcd.com/243/

Game in BK: It has been the first time I’d ever seen Star Trek. It was pure entertainment. One thing I didn’t expect was a bar scene. You guys will appreciate this quote on why the Dr joins Starfleet: “I got nowhere else to go. The ex-wife took the whole damn planet in the divorce. All I’ve got left is my bones.”

doug: “I wasn’t focusing on his being old particularly but instead utterly competent and quietly strong. He always under promised and over delivered. He was an anti cad, and reliable dad type. He’s the type that could readily cheat, but wouldn’t, because he’d promised his wife he wouldn’t — and his word was his bond.”

I have said how much I love the way you write, right? I really didn’t get that vibe from Simon Pegg, however.

chic: I can see I have been deprived as a child for not watching peanuts. Damn the censored Arabic “translation” of odd old Japanese animation instead.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:25 pm Default User

Bhetti

How can I refuse your order, sir? Hello.

Thank God. All that quadbike stuff looked like hard work.

I can logoff happy.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:26 pm Tupac Chopra

Bhetti:

I have an overwhelming urge to rip off your burka, commit unspeakably depraved sex acts involving your orifices the likes of which you have never imagined even in your most Koran-inspired nightmares, leaving you curled fetal in the corner, rocking back and forth in wide-eyed shock, holding your shaking hands over your mouth as you breaking voice mutters “the horror, the horror” in forlorn shame.

But I mean that in the nices possible way. 🙂

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:29 pm Gunslingergregi

What chic got whiskey to tell her he loved her on one thread then on another tell femist to go ahead and im her lol

chics what ya gonna do.

“””””‘Tupoc
I’m already having a hard enough time pushing away from the Roissy.

It’s my only weakness. “””””””””””””””””

No shit right. Probably will still be coming here every once in while to check in from a comp out in the boonies. lol It is cool seeing the many points of view.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:32 pm Chic noir

Tupac Chopra
Bhetti:

I have an overwhelming urge to rip off your burka, commit unspeakably depraved sex acts involving your orifices the likes of which you have never imagined even in your most Koran-inspired nightmares, leaving you curled fetal in the corner, rocking back and forth in wide-eyed shock, holding your shaking hands over your mouth as you breaking voice mutters “the horror, the horror” in forlorn shame.

But I mean that in the nices possible way

*goes to get Clio*
*points to tupac chatting up bhetti*

clio , look at your man.

@betti-Peanuts is full of life lessons from which the beta male can see all of his faults acted out with the use of cartoon characters. Thereby, lessoning the blow that being shown up as beta *itch deals to a man’s ego or is that id.

My mind is scrambled now, but I will carry on with another fav childhood cartoon.
*stands on soapbox*
I’m telling American men are being spoonfed the beta pansty herb dogma but the shovel full.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:32 pm Chic noir

*buy the shovel full*

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:36 pm Bhetti

Tupac: you satirise my hypocrisy!

Just that image’s enough for ‘the horror’.

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:36 pm Tupac Chopra

Gearing up for Hangover Game tomorrow, R?

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on May 11, 2009 at 11:55 pm Bhetti

Default: Yes, leave as soon as you got me here. The ‘Hello *walks away*’ secret move of Game.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:04 am Gunslingergregi

Then seeing shit like tupoc go buc wild lol

Bhetti the inspiration.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:10 am Bhetti

Gunny: Had happy times with wifey yet?

I have no idea why people are losing it lately.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:16 am Comment_Whatever

Chic, that was as impressive as it was disturbing.

Impressively disturbing in fact. Or disturbingly impressive.

I’m me, so I don’t have to worry about losing myself with others… but Chic, I’m pretty sure you do. I wouldn’t even have credited the risk, till today.

Still, impressive. Very impressive.

schoolboy wrote:

Well chic didn’t you have a blog before?
I think it was about shoes, models, and makeup.

Nevertheless, when you start to really mimic someones writing it really means you need to step off for a bit. In your case at least a week.

Real talk.

He has got a point.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:28 am Gunslingergregi

Getting closer. I will drop for a bit then he he he

People going wild because probably it is summertime

Me it has been 8 months almost since happy time. Oh well. That is the price of freedom.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:29 am Tupac Chopra

I have no idea why people are losing it lately.

Full moon?

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:56 am David Alexander

The bad sentence structure, small vocabulary and poor grammar should tell you it’s not Roissy.

Now, if you could only fix those little things, some of us may take your arguments a bit more seriously…

Maybe I should start another blog and put up some ads to being in some money. The recession is making everybody hustle.

That would require something resembling a popular blog. I don’t even have the readership to warrant wasting time on ads in the first place. OTOH, I’m amazed Roissy hasn’t tried to monetize his work due to it’s immense popularity.

Re: Tupac’s linked cartoon

Oddly, that still doesn’t induce that desire to ‘roid up and pump iron at the gym. 🙂

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on May 12, 2009 at 1:58 am Bhetti

DA: your betaness is as offensive to masculinity as chic’s mauling of the English language.

That’s offensive to chic actually…

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:00 am Bhetti

DA: If you don’t deliver a well-put verbal smackdown, I think I’m going to gradually get worse. Blood in the water, blood in the water and it looks so damn tasty… the Lucy in me is taking over, it’s a full spring/summer moon…

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:10 am Welmer

omw

yeah, I’m still highly partial to the totally-bald look, provided the guy’s got a decently-shaped noggin underneath. Definitely better than balding-and-anxious-about-it.

The H rocks this look. Bald-plus-goatee is cute, too, IMO.

OMW is just fantasizing about getting some Romper Stomper action on a beer-soaked pine floor.

I can imagine a sodden skin inhaling a rail of pink meth and then pulling her to the slick floor and removing the cuffed jeans from her trembling legs to expose a gaping, ravenous snatch in a feeding frenzy.

All too typical. Dime a dozen, these types.

It’s fun while it lasts, but guys grow out of this stuff. Apparently, women never do — even when they get married and have babies (like omw).

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:27 am David Alexander

If you don’t deliver a well-put verbal smackdown, I think I’m going to gradually get worse.

I’m too tired to bother, so you might as well do your worst…

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:36 am Bhetti

Clever. The homeless puppy manoeuvre.

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:59 am David Alexander

Clever. The homeless puppy manoeuvre.

Yawn. You can do better. Hell, I managed to piss off a girl by saying I’d prefer if she didn’t find me attractive…

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on May 12, 2009 at 3:06 am Bhetti

I wasn’t trying to be mean there, it really did work. I’m sorry I didn’t give you what you apparently crave. Some other time. Go, rest your tired self.

I know he just nipped at someone, but he’s just so sad-looking, look at him, mummy… can we take him home and hug him (not too tightly or he’ll be injured), pleease?

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on May 12, 2009 at 3:10 am David Alexander

I’ll do my daily ritual to avoid female attraction first, then I’ll fall asleep…

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:15 am Default User

Bhetti

Default: Yes, leave as soon as you got me here. The ‘Hello *walks away*’ secret move of Game.

I really did have to go. I mean it is not like I would try to run such tired, crude, and transparent game on you. I know that you would be immune. Indeed I believe you took, or are researching, a vaccine that works against even advanced game.

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:27 am Default User

Bhetti

Regarding The ‘Hello *walks away*’ secret move of Game. This lady understands.

If Holding Out for a Hero is in praise of the classic Alpha maybe the above is in praise of the more beta guy (or at least the strong-silent type).

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:29 am Bhetti

That vaccine is called roissy.wordpress.com 😉

Anyway, just because you recognise the enemy is firing from a trebuchet not a catapult, does not mean you can actually do anything about the fiery sally heading for you. Still, I’ve at least learned enough some simple advice to pass on to all the potential guys around me, as well as not to be afraid to say something positive.

Your blushes, sir, don’t fool me. You’re waiting to pounce on the nearest unsuspecting female and you know it. She won’t know what hit her, bless her raging hormones…

and you’ve played that walking away move before 😉 It’s unconsciously your default option.

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:33 am Bhetti

When you say nothing at all = ‘when you look hot, possibly topless and with stubble’/’KISS ME ALREADY, FOOL’

Anyway, you don’t strike me as the type I’d want to stay quiet and look pretty.

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:42 am Default Option

Very perceptive Bhetti. There is an element of the warrior nerd about me.
[~~perhaps~~ more nerd than warrior.]

I guess a warrior nerd is really a more beta (the nerd part) man working on becoming more alpha (the warrior). Just like many of the guys here.

and you’ve played that walking away move before

Really?

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:44 am Bhetti

Yes. With your ‘it was the beginning of the romance story!’ excuses.

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:47 am Default Option

Bhetti

Anyway, you don’t strike me as the type I’d want to stay quiet and look pretty.

I don’t know what to say to that, so I will “Say Nothing At All.”

😉

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:50 am Default User

Bhetti

Yes. With your ‘it was the beginning of the romance story!’ excuses.

Caught.

See, you can see through my crude and transparent game.

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on May 12, 2009 at 9:00 am Bhetti

I feel extremely sorry for your unsuspecting prey, who don’t even have my tenuous advantage.

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on May 12, 2009 at 9:08 am Default User

Bhetti

I feel extremely sorry for your unsuspecting prey, who don’t even have my tenuous advantage.

“Prey,” that sounds so… predatory. In any case they always suspect.

Of course that is half the fun.

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on May 12, 2009 at 10:47 am doug1

Bhetti

Anyway, just because you recognise the enemy is firing from a trebuchet not a catapult, does not mean you can actually do anything about the fiery sally heading for you.

That’s quite, no very, good hottie. I’m adding that one to my arsenal.

Still, I’ve at least learned enough simple advice to pass on to all the potential guys around me, as well as not to be afraid to say something positive.

Your blushes, sir, don’t fool me. You’re waiting to pounce on the nearest unsuspecting female and you know it. She won’t know what hit her, bless her raging hormones…

I love the woman you’re becoming.

That’s no shiite.

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on May 12, 2009 at 10:48 am doug1

Bhetti

Whose raging hormones was that, exactly?

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on May 12, 2009 at 11:17 am Bhetti

doug:
The theoretical real life female(s) Default is using/going to use his |337 skills on.

She can’t just fall in love with him on first sight, that’s completely ridiculous even with his mysterious appeal, so it’ll have to be her hormones.

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on May 12, 2009 at 11:43 am Firepower

@ doug1-

“It’s also and really much more a question of emotional impact. Movies and shorter stories on TV if well done have far more emotional impact than blogs do”

if…if…ifff…if emotion is the initiative for watching news, then all factual reporting vanishes further, replaced with burned kitten stories and blood on the sidewalk as the grieving mother is asked how she ‘feels’

nobody learns a thing, save losing a child or kitten sucks. bfd

THIS correlates perfectly with my thesis: intelligent viewership has completely degraded

@chicnoir –

“Some bloggers are stars but to a smaller audience. Firepower transformers is garbage I won’t go see it even if you paid me 20 bucks. Xmen on the otherhand, is worth the ten bucks”

That depends on which geek school of thought you are a student of. To which fantasy calls you its disciple. glad you buried that one pic – it made you look like a cross between michelle obama and barbara bush. the pearl necklace was class.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:02 pm Bhetti

Firepower: I was kind of shocked by UK media. From what I experienced of Arabic news (that is, NOT Al Jazeera), they at least pretended to be factual.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:52 pm xsplat

Firepower

The “Blogosphere Empire” while generally intelligent, will always be an elite with far fewer members wielding influence than the overwhelming Armies Of Stupid awaiting the next Wolverine/X-Men/Tranformers mass market swill.

The hipsters are what corporate media mimic. Corporate media is not creative – they have to hire talent, and then manage that talent. The process of pop is banal to the extent that it is mere mimicry. Pop that is not mimicry is valid art.

I used to vend jewelry and clothing at Grateful Dead concerts. The styles of T-shirts created by some Dead Head vendors would be in Target a few years after they were sold at the shows. Trends start from the elite.

You say that people are mostly dolts, who are not influenced by the elite, but you are wrong. The elite rule in all things. Especially culturally. Pop copies from the elite.

Elvis Presley copied the hipster blacks of his day – translating their poetries into a version the masses could digest.

Sure, 90 percent of everything is crap, and 90 percent of people are dull. But of what is not crap and dull, 90 percent of that is created by the elite. Not corporate media.

Rarely can corporations produce great art – and when they do, it’s hard to even think of them as corporations. Some Pixar films, for instance, are brilliant. Not over-managed, and not agenda driven. Disneys team did some enduring work. Some films are jaw droppingly awesome. It took corporations to produce such monumental efforts – but they were co operations amongst individuals, rather than a money making machine printing out the next copy of the previous copy of success.

It’s a nebulous difference – Corporate Media versus individual talent. I think it all comes down to the fact that deep down, people know who is hip – and trends begin with the hip. All trends begin from the hip.

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on May 12, 2009 at 12:58 pm xsplat

It’s Aristotelian: men who lead virtuous lives are passionate about important, interesting things; lame, cowardly dorks bore people with their pointless trivial obsessions. Which is why, whiskey, “NEVER talk about computers or comic books to women,” is useless advice. If you need to tell yourself that, it won’t help, because chicks are very sophisticated detectors (subconsciously) of that type of shit. But there are guys out there who would find that advice ridiculous — they have something interesting to say about computers and/or comic books.

Well said. “Alphaness” is the confidence that comes from actually being somebody. Actual talent, life experiences, wit, sexual prowess, and a wide knowledge that can be applied synthetically to any new experience.

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on May 12, 2009 at 1:05 pm David Alexander

Holding Out for a Hero

That song was perfect for the ride out of Washington DC’s Union Station with the sun setting on the Acela as it accelerated rapidly and rushed by the platforms at New Carrolton…

When You Say Nothing At All

I usually don’t listen to country, but this song may stumble on top my iPod…

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on May 12, 2009 at 1:13 pm Firepower

xsplat

The hipsters are what corporate media mimic. Corporate media is not creative…The styles of T-shirts created by some Dead Head vendors would be in Target a few years after they were sold at the shows. Trends start from the elite.

i honestly think you’re close to agreement with my view in principle, but the muddy task of conveying meaning via text is a hindrance.

You’re stating what I am, just in different terms.

the very fact that Dead vendors created an artistic object that is, in turn, re-interpreted by a corporate yuppie in some corner office defines the term “mediated”

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on May 12, 2009 at 1:17 pm Firepower

da

I usually don’t listen to country, but this song may stumble on top my iPod…

fuck kellie pickler and that ‘romeo juliet’ chick. literally. all they’re good for is baby doe eyes as they’re swallowing a load.

You want REAL country? dl some Buck Owens “Bakersfield Sound” and his worshipper, Dwight Yoakum

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:00 pm Default User

Bhetti

The theoretical real life female(s) Default is using/going to use his |337 skills on.

She can’t just fall in love with him on first sight, that’s completely ridiculous even with his mysterious appeal, so it’ll have to be her hormones.

Hmmphh! “Theoretical.” I want to make clear that at least one of my girlfriends was not named .jpg. However the staple in the middle of here breast as a bit off-putting.

Hormones or mysterious appeal, I’ll take whatever works.

No joking here:
Where did you learn all that leet-speak tech stuff? You can talk in and code HTML. How (or why) does a med student pick up that knowledge?

signed: )3|=4|_||_7

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:03 pm Default User

David Alexander

When You Say Nothing At All

I usually don’t listen to country, but this song may stumble on top my iPod…

A love song to an introvert? How could we not like it?
: )
[^introvert smiley – none of that extrovert yellow guy.]

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:05 pm Default User

David Alexander

Re: Holding Out for a Hero

I like the picture you paint with that description.

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:14 pm xsplat

Firepower

“mediated”

Mainstream media has a huge social inflence, and is mediated by those corporations. Granted. And yet, why is it that people like you and me seem to live in an alternate concensual reality?

Because the social influence of mainstream media is limited. Those that are the least influenced by it, tend to be the very ones that create the next trends.

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on May 12, 2009 at 2:31 pm David Alexander

I like the picture you paint with that description.

Here’s another:

There’s nothing as seductive as the power of two 6,000 horsepower AC traction motors roaring in the night as you accelerate and tilt around the curve and meet what now seems to be the slow moving traffic of I-95 in an gritty industrial and working class area of Philadelphia, and this all while listening to the beat of When I Fall in Love By Lil’ Suzy…

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on May 12, 2009 at 3:12 pm Darth Maul

So, this is the case of My laptop is more alpha than your laptop? Seriously?

Is this a joke?

A fucking laptop is a fucking laptop.

“laptop wars” is nerdy to the tenth power.

I personally dont give a rat’s hymen about the “alphaness” of laptop unless you paint/deck your laptop the colour pink.

My point:James Bond prefer Walther PPK gun…a very girly looking gun…..it will still put a hole in your head though. And that is the bottomline.

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on May 12, 2009 at 4:21 pm Chic noir

In continuance of out examination of the betaization of American males through the use of cartoons, lets take a look at Scooby doo.

Cast:
Velma-bitter beta chic
Shaggy- beta
Scobby Doo- beta dog
Daphine- Alpha female
Fred- All American looking alpha

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on May 12, 2009 at 5:38 pm Bhetti

Default: I picked up some basic html/javascript/C++ at my old school (they were progressive) and tried to expand on that a little with e.g. CSS but I’m really rusty now and barely remember anything. I’m not just a medstudent, I was a teen obsessed with novels, the internet and a bit of gaming/anime, neglecting the stereotypical girl-oriented stuff (if you don’t consider absent-minded novel-obsession girly). Not so much on games and definitely none on poor anime these days so there we go.

Signed,
8h3771

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on May 12, 2009 at 6:16 pm Default U53r

Bhetti

… I’m not just a medstudent…

Bhetti, Bhetti, please. I was just working on the assumption that you would have learned it for work not fun.

I know there is far more to you than “med student.”

🙂

On one project the Web stuff was just one of the things I needed to do to get the job done. That is mostly how I learn stuff, right at the moment I need to.

Not so much on games and definitely none on poor anime these days so there we go.

Not games, but I hope you are working on your game.
😉

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on May 12, 2009 at 7:41 pm Default User

Bhetti
I said: “Not games, but I hope you are working on your game.”

I should have added that I can se you are working on your game.

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:12 pm Default Silliness

David Alexander, contrarian, Bhetti, Chic noir

I saw Steve Sailer’s article Explaining how popular he is in Finland

I thought I would do some research of my own.

I compared “Default User,” “David Alexander,” and “contrarian”

While I am glad to see that I am still the Alpha poster (well ahead of the other two), I am sorry to see my popularity falling.

However:
contrarian is garnering all the news coverage.
David beats me in Argentina, Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela and Chile.
[This points to my theory that DA is really the G-Man]

Bhetti and Chic noir, I am afraid I was not able to return a graph for either of you.

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:17 pm Bhetti

My real name is very popular in Italy, Spain and Slovenia 😉

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on May 12, 2009 at 8:18 pm Default Silliness

David Alexander, contrarian, sara I

It looks like sara I has us all beat in Croatia

She has only recently become popular though.

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on May 12, 2009 at 10:31 pm Chic noir

default silliness-It’s all good. I was going to post something more on Scooby doo but I’m all typed out because of MPT.

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on May 13, 2009 at 7:52 am Default User

MPT has us all beat.

Although I win in Norway, New Zealand, Australia, Israel, and Switzerland.

This makes me happy because Norway probably has all those cool blondes, Aussies and Kiwi’s are usually pretty good fun, I saw KassyK’s Israeli-chicks-are-hot thread. and the Swiss chick can look after my money (Gunslinger game).

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on May 13, 2009 at 8:05 am Default User

David Alexander

There’s nothing as seductive as the power of two 6,000 horsepower AC traction motors…

I am not a railfanner, but I do understand the appeal.

If you explained railfanning like that to women they would have less of the eeew reaction. It is a bit like Roissy’s post on describing your job.

Does your railfanning include train spotting (cataloging numbers etc.) or do you just enjoy those large motors?

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on May 13, 2009 at 8:41 am Default User

Chic noir
Casting for Scooby Doo, the blog edition is taking place.

On the list are:
Fred – Roissy (G-Man was considered but dropped out due to “other business”)
Daphine Chic noir (we needed more diversity).
Velma – No final casting but suggestions in no particular order are: Sara I, Bhetti, Nicole/kthulah. Feministxy was ruled out early in the casting process.
Shaggy – David Alexander
Scobby Doo Currently uncast.

Villains: Darth Maul, contrarian, Jessica Valenti, ian in hamburg (a mild villain to be sure).

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on May 14, 2009 at 8:12 am Gunslingergregi

“””””””Default User
Swiss chick can look after my money (Gunslinger game).”””””””””””””‘

Not all of it though he he he
Why you need multiple for safety consideration and to multiply the 10 to 1000 a day effect.

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on May 14, 2009 at 8:33 am Default User

Not all of it though he he he

Good point, can’t be too careful in these matters. Maybe I need two swiss chicks.

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on May 14, 2009 at 8:47 am Gunslingergregi

Buddy just told me minimum wage switzerland is like 4500 a month. His brother works there.

Plus just learned our local pizza hut is getting slower making 3500 a day. Normally at 5000 a day average. So yea should be money to get couple 2 or ten swiss chicks to bust it out. Goes to show I am not shooting to high when my goal is actually 10k a day income.

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on May 14, 2009 at 9:24 am Comment_Whatever

Many people here have criticized Windows.

I say Windows does have one positive aspect. In the future, it will cause as much trouble for the machines as the humans fighting them!

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on May 14, 2009 at 10:33 am Default User

What are we going to do now that we don’t have Clippy to kick around anymore?

But after losing his job Clippy Alphas up and gets game.

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on May 14, 2009 at 10:52 am Default Assistant

Game related back-story to Clippy,

Clippy, or more correctly Clippit, was based on technology developed for Microsoft Bob. Bob was an attempt to make computing more “friendly.” It featured animated characters that guided users through various actions.

At one point the project manager for this product was a woman called Melinda French. Today she is known as Melinda Gates.

So if instead of beta supplication, Bill practiced some game (“listen honey, the paper clip has to go”) we would all be better off. Maybe all those nerdy tech types that remove “Office Assistant” have better game than Bill Gates because they have the guts to do what he did not.

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on May 14, 2009 at 11:41 am Comment_Whatever

Default Assistant:

Game related back-story to Clippy,

Clippy, or more correctly Clippit, was based on technology developed for Microsoft Bob. Bob was an attempt to make computing more “friendly.” It featured animated characters that guided users through various actions.

At one point the project manager for this product was a woman called Melinda French. Today she is known as Melinda Gates.

So if instead of beta supplication, Bill practiced some game (”listen honey, the paper clip has to go”) we would all be better off. Maybe all those nerdy tech types that remove “Office Assistant” have better game than Bill Gates because they have the guts to do what he did not.

The ‘all-to-human’ point needs to be driven home more often. The wild imaginings that many people ‘attach’ to some public figures really isn’t a good thing.

That said, people who enjoyed The Matrix Runs on Windows need to look at the Apatow Movie video on the current thread.

collegehumor videos rock!

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on May 14, 2009 at 12:01 pm Default Jester

Comment_Whatever

Just to be clear, my “analysis” on Gates and his game was in jest.

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on May 14, 2009 at 12:36 pm Comment_Whatever

Well I was perfectly serious.

It is entirely possible the Microsoft Bob project lasted as long as it did because of Melinda French’s involvement.

Once you know the backstory of Bill Gates, he isn’t nearly as impressive as the people who worship…. I mean admire…. him.

He started out by ‘borrowing’ Gary Kildall’s operating system and selling it to IBM. You see, Bill was a better negotiator. Since he hadn’t put any money into the development of the system he was selling, he could sell it cheap. Gary was left behind because he wanted to be ‘paid’ for his time. Later on, Bill Gates would become a rabid enemy of software piracy because piracy no longer benefited him. Though there would be a few exceptions when he wanted a program someone else had.

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on May 19, 2009 at 2:18 pm Kamal S.

chic noir@ “Watch Schroder lay down his Spock game proper on the ever bloviating angry high T feminist one day attorney that is Lucy.”

All Lucy real needs is a spanking.
Daily.
Wears the hand out though, perhaps not worth the effort.

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on May 19, 2009 at 2:34 pm Kamal S.

doug As an aside observation coming from your discussion of The Matrix, it’s fascinating to me how movie makers will use a term like “Merovingian” as a group name in a futurist flick aimed at a broad audience.

The whole series reeked with this sort of historical, symbolic, and esoteric name dropping.

Simply more of an argument that kids should pay attention during history class.

Yeah, words resonate, the most artful writers have a way of slipping in words and phrases that somehow evoke reactions, ring a bell, from somewhere in our societal consciousness. Touch on something that we can’t quite grasp… but can smell. We are steeped in history, in this brave new world of the future in which we live, we swim through the unacknowledged waters of the past, only half conscious.

Good writers have good game, and can manipulate and twist people around their fingers.

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on June 24, 2009 at 8:29 pm Default User

More chic Peanuts deconstruction at:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/three-macbooks/#comment-78249

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on June 24, 2009 at 8:29 pm Default User

above was meant for another thread

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on July 3, 2009 at 12:17 pm The Church Of David Alexander « Roissy in DC

[…] if enlightened liberal SWPLs can invent a new cult religion worshipping Gaia and Her only begotten Sons, Anthropogenic Global […]

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on July 5, 2009 at 6:08 am Leridan

“Unless you’re an omega with loads of time on your hands to deal with all that computer shit, why would you deal with Linux.”

Let’s put it another way: add up the time you’ve lost to virus infection (including the gazillion dozen-second-waits while checking your mail for possible infection), and tell me this quite considerable time could not have been put to better use?

If you really think Linux is complicated to use, you shouldn’t use windows, stick to macs. Somebody who thinks Ubuntu is complicated and has admin rights on his windows box is about 90% likely to have the box owned by a botnet and to be supplying us all with viagra ads.

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