A reader e-mailed me the following observation:
No game?
Go out, get drunk with your friends.
Wake up feeling like a bag of shit.
THEN go run your game. I can’t believe I never noticed this. I went drinking last night with a few buddies, got hammered and today felt like crap. I went to the mall to get a Mother’s Day gift, and I tried to get a few things going with some sexy girls. I’m at the mall so rarely so I try to take advantage of it. I approached five girls and came away with two numbers.
Gaming girls when you’re hungover is pretty airtight, just make sure you shower and get dressed first, because you at least want to look presentable (I donned a typical jeans and t combo over black loafers with aviators up top) and not smell like a brewery. When you’re hungover, you don’t give a fuck, you feel like shit, your movements are slow, your voice is in a lower register and you feel too crappy to put up a false facade of happiness when some little hottie is talking to you. In other words, hangovers make you more aloof, less caring, more alpha.
Looking back on those times when my pickup attempts intersected with my hangovers, I have to say this sounds right. There is gold to be mined in hangover game. The reader hit upon the main reason hangover game works — it turns you into a surly asshole.
What do you get when you take a man and deepen his voice, slow down his movements, remove all semblance of a smile, infuse him with a don’t-give-a-fuck attitude, and prop dark sunglasses on his raccoon eyes? You create a pussy magnet.
Suggestion: There is a fine line between hungover zombie and homeless bum, so shower off the stank and brush your teeth before heading out into the painfully bright sunlight.
Another solid game tactic is “Day Drinking Game”. On warm weekends, I like to sit outside on the patio with my buddies at my favorite bars and drink cheap beer, achieving a slow buzz and keeping it there as long as possible without tipping over into full blown drunkenness. This is known as the “European way”. Then I run day game. Twenty-two Yuenglings on a hot, humid August day will make you irresistible to the ladies. No joke. Have gum ready.
This seems to make sense – although the slower thinking, headache, nausea, and assorted other after-effects also kind of make me less interested in talking to anyone, hot females included.
Twenty-two Yuenglings? Yeah, that sounds like a way to combine day-drinking and hangover. I agree that going through life mildly soused is kinda fun. That’s one of the small pleasures of “Mad Men” – they’re drinking all the time (as well as hitting on their secretaries). Every time someone walks into your office, you head over to the bar, pour two Scotches straight up and drink them together. Can you imagine that today?
My favorite spot in DC for the summer-afternoon drinking hangout is the Georgetown Waterfront – Tony & Joes, or Sequoia’s for a more upscale-snooty vibe – you get to watch the boats, river, rowers, and the parade of people going by. Get a table by the rope – it’s fun to chat up one of the many hot girls going by, who are already in a good mood because of the beautiful setting.
It’s almost that time of year, come to think of it …!
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yes, the “i don’t give a fuck” attitude is very powerful. the best thing about day drinking game is that really, the fun to be had hanging with your boys is just as good as the fun to be had picking up women.
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also,
what’s the over/under on the number of comments it takes for this post to turn into a race thread? i’m going with 93.
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When you’re starting out and trying to get over your approach anxiety, you shouldn’t drink, but after you have been doing this for awhile, you should feel free to drink as much or little as you want.
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He bought a gift for a woman? Beta. He needs to reframe the relationship dynamic to make his mom work for his approval if he wants to get the bang.
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Hmm. Can’t speak from personal experience as I partake not of the wine and spirits, but by all accounts, Jim Morrison seemed to do well with Hangover Game-of course, the tradeoff was permanent impotence. Again, hmm.
O
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Very true. I’ve noticed the same thing myself. I’ve been trying to crack the biochemical code for why this is. No luck yet, but I know for sure my day-afters turn me into a whole different player — more aloof, relaxed, deeper voice, etc.
It’s weird, you would think there would be some kind of receptor-rebound effect from heavy ingestion of ethanol. That is, it would make sense to be the opposite of drunk the day after slamming your nervous system with depressants. Ypu should be more anxious, shakey, etc. as the nervous system rights itself. But it’s not like that.
We need to find out what this is and bottle it.
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Twenty-two Yuenglings
Yes, keeping the buzz at that sustained, delightful level.
Slow down the beer intake too much, and you just poop out as the energy level drops with the buzz. Go too fast, and you get drunk.
Wine gives me a nice quick hit, but more than one glass nauseates me. I like vodka shots, but save those for rare and special occasions with my bros-in-law and the crew.
Beer is best.
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This matches my experience too.
Difference is, I am (unusually) chipper and manic when slightly to moderately hungover. My theory: residual serotonin from the night before.
Drinking while wheeling is a double-edged sword. You get dumb, obviously, but booze also pumps your body full of serotonin, which is basically the magical elixir of alpha-ness. The next morning, you’ve still got the serotonin spike, but minus the idiocy of intoxication.
This also explains why I’m horny like a motherfucker when hungover.
Aside from the odd near-death experience type of morning after, hangovers are a generally positive experience for me.
Zdeno
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Jim Morrison seemed to do well with Hangover Game-of course, the tradeoff was permanent impotence
Sure, sustained alcoholism can lead to problems of the erectile front, but alcohol in moderation isn’t a health risk. I don’t remember the details of Densmore’s autobiography: was Morisson also doing heroin? That’s the real cock-killer.
Morisson as I recall form Densmore’s book was a shy and introspective guy, a bit on the wierd side (years of dropping acid will make anyone wierd) but as I recall, he really needed to get drunk before doing concerts.
Not sure if it was shyness or stage fright. In my case, a vodka shot or two brews would get me out to perform in front of thusands. Morisson needed to be smashed to near-oblivion to get out there and do his thing.
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PA,
Yes, from all I’ve read about Morrison, he was an avid drug abuser, but as I recall, he had a very active fear of needles. Therefore consuming heroin by the conventional means isn’t likely, again, if what has been written inthe multiple sources on him is to be believed.
In any event, combing the use of drugs and alcohol over a period of time definitely isn’t a good idea and is a recipe to kill a Man’s sexual nature over the long run. I just prefer not to go there at all, popping strong Wood on demand is too important to me.
But to each his own.
O
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I don’t think booze reduces the sex drive. In excess, as in alcoholism, sure. And being flat-out drunk of course precludes good performance. But a pleasant buzz after 2-3 beers or glases of wine? A beautiful thing, which enhances the mood and experience.
How about some female opinions on this topic? How do you relate to hung over men, drunk men, etc.?
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I don’t get hangovers unless I try to get drunk with wine or mead or something. Hangovers are not about the ethanol, it’s from all the other shit. The next day is exactly as clear as your drink. Vodka is best for drinking but the social setting usually calls for something else.
what’s the over/under on the number of comments it takes for this post to turn into a race thread? i’m going with 93.
North euros don’t have good sunday game because we have too much drinking practice.
Blacks, Muslims, whatever may have it better if they can’t hold their liquor… he he… girly men… da da da da da
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Twenty pushups every two beers; if you make it to 200, you win! Keep a couple of sleeping pills at hand and please, take a leak before you attempt to pass out.
(i’d read about this workout at T nation)
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Zdeno:
You get dumb, obviously, but booze also pumps your body full of serotonin, which is basically the magical elixir of alpha-ness.
I doubt it. Serotonin is the “civilizing” neurotransmitter — it lifts your mood but makes you docile and tame.
I believe ethanol’s effects have more to do with NMDA receptors and glutamate.
All I know is that I actually have *less* AA the day after heavy drinking than I do when I’m loaded to the gills on beer.
Oh, and Paulaner > Yuengling
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Very timely post.
I just spend all day Sat and Sun in a Red and White Vino Haze, Dolo, swooping girls from restaurant to hotel pool bar to wine bar to girls crib to restaurant.
Resort styled down: Guayabera shirt, custom linen pants, Gucci loafers no socks, chain smoking.
Sat banged out three separate girls. Number crunched another 5.
Sun bang out 2 girls, number crunched another 3.
Almost pulled a “Vicky Christina” double swoop on these two older rich broads in the clothing boutique they owned after hours.
Could have swooped more girls but was held back by logistics and an inability to Clone myself.
So yes, Day Game/ Hungover Game works wonders like bread.
– MPM
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lol fuckin G manifesto.
Your heavy sense of panache is amusing .
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that would explain how i got the barista’s phone number after 9 nights out in a row of hard drinking.
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PA:
“Slow down the beer intake too much, and you just poop out as the energy level drops with the buzz.”
This reminds me of Bill Simmons’ “Rule of Four Beers”. (if you aren’t familiar with him, he’s a sports blogger for ESPN, hilarious in his pop culture references). The Rule states that 4 Beers is the worst number of beers to have. It leaves you a little more than sober, but not quite drunk. Your’e in the groggy state where you either have to keep going or stop and go home.
If you’re drinking all day long, this number obviously increases, but there’s always that magic level at which one has to maintain their buzz or drinking becomes pointless.
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You really can’t give a fuck if you want to play. Otherwise too much gets in the way. The issue isn’t that you crash and burn with a fair number of women. It’s that, when all is said and done, one 8+ female ends up between the sheets.
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Alcohol lowers testosterone, scientifically proven fact. You can feel or think all you want, but it doesn’t deter reality. Thought most posters were men, you are thinking like chicks.
I rather have a killer six pack than having a beer gut. Sure alcohol helps with insecure guys gain confidence, in the end you are still hurting yourself physically and mentally. What are you going to do when you can’t drink? No alcohol = no game is truly pathetic… Your game should be better when you’re sober.
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El Guapo
“You really can’t give a fuck if you want to play. Otherwise too much gets in the way.”
Well said.
You really cannot give a fuck. The only times my Game has anything but success is when I break my own rules: like not giving a fuck.
It is such a razor thin line. If you start caring or start thinking “maybe this girl is different” everything goes down the tubes.
I caught myself this weekend.
“The issue isn’t that you crash and burn with a fair number of women. It’s that, when all is said and done, one 8+ female ends up between the sheets.”
Yes.
Going 1 for 100 is certainly better than going 0 for 0.
In Game all that matters is winning.
And winning with style.
– MPM
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The King:
well if you have to ration your testosterone by not having fun drinking, then that speaks volumes about yourself.
for those of us with enough T to get through the day, we can afford to have a few drinks several days a week.
also, if you work out hard enough, you can correct for the negative physical effects of drinking.
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The King:
I rather have a killer six pack than having a beer gut. Sure alcohol helps with insecure guys gain confidence, in the end you are still hurting yourself physically and mentally. What are you going to do when you can’t drink? No alcohol = no game is truly pathetic… Your game should be better when you’re sober.
Go ahead and beat your chest all you want if it makes you feel better, but alcohol has always been and will be the social lubricant to grease the wheels of the mating dance.
As for “six pack abs” or whatever, I’m in fine shape, thanks. And if you’ve ever hung around mixed martial artists, they regularly party HARD, with alcohol, coke and ecstasy, in addition to the roids. Healthy? Probably not. But I wouldn’t advise pulling their punk card.
The fervor of the whole anti-drinking thing I sometimes see in the Community reminds me of the Straight Edge subculture in the Punk scene.
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The fervor of the whole anti-drinking thing I sometimes see in the Community reminds me of the Straight Edge subculture in the Punk scene.
I don’t think the community is really that anti-drinking. It’s more just against using alcohol as a crutch.
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Twenty-two Yuenglings on a hot, humid August day in DC will make you irresistible to the ladies.
Better spread them out over time. Drinking 22 beers one after another is the sort of thing associated with junior high school kids who get rushed to the hospital to have their stomachs pumped.
Peter
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Hmm, this might also be related to “exhaustion game.”
In college, I had an extremely hard time going to sleep before 3 am or waking up before noon. True story, this is how I picked my major. English professors don’t do mornings, either.
Now, this would be all well and good if I didn’t have a work-study job on Sunday mornings (!) at 8am (!). What’s more, it wasn’t something I could blow off: I had to open the religious offices for service, and I was the only one around.
So my solution many times was to just not sleep—stay up all night, go to work, open it up, sit at the desk, wait for the shift to end (1pm), then go home to dorm and sleep. Not a bad plan?
Well, as we all know, you tend to act a bit loopy when tired. I’d open up the religious offices, and Sunday girls come strolling in, dressed in nice-but-sexy college-girls-but-good-girls dress.
Normally, I wouldn’t make eye contact, but being tired, I stared up and down without caring, my feet propped up, and even let out an errant whistle or comment in my tiredness.
My boldness paid off–whenever I did this, I got a girl to come over and chat with me, and sometimes hung out with her later in a decidedly Biblical fashion. My politeness when not tired, in contrast, got me little but girls ignoring me at my station.
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Sure, a six pack of abs makes you sexy…
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To a fucking faggot.
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Chuck: well said.
Booze isn’t for everyone. Some simply don’t have the gene for appreciating a good buzz. More power to them. And some can’t control their drinking; that’s a problem.
But the rest of us live both for today, and for the future. And for me, an occasional high off a couple of fat 24-oz Fosters is real nice.
A sanctiomonious teetotaler is as annoying as a sanctimonious ex/non-smoker.
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Chuck – also, what’s the over/under on the number of comments it takes for this post to turn into a race thread? i’m going with 93.
^This comment coming from the same White boy beta who reached up and pulled this gem about Ann Coulter out of his own racially emasculated ass.
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No more race bullshit, fuck off and die please.
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dead fucking right – another bonus, waitresses/bartenders are usually equally hungover on say a Sunday afternoon, and pretty bored – a lot easier pickings.
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The King
“Sure alcohol helps with insecure guys gain confidence, in the end you are still hurting yourself physically and mentally.”
Possibly, if you have no Irish blood.
I drink tons almost everyday and I am much better than fine.
“What are you going to do when you can’t drink?”
Drink more.
And continue swooping girls.
– MPM
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gossip on celebrities dead for 40 years amuses me on only special occasions – that being when O brings up Morrison and “L’America” happens to play simultaneously on my mp3… out of thousands of songs.
Densmore got shut out of some royalty/money band revival gigs so he may have an issue. It’s always apropos to attack the man on the pedestal for his lack of cocksmanship.
Janis would’ve gotten more retro publicity today, if only she were as hawt as St. Jim.
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Regarding drink and game, be careful to heed Shakespeare’s warning:
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I really enjoy Gaspirilla in Tampa, the pirate invasion celebration every February. You roll around town with backpacks and coolers on wheels full of beer and get loaded with the rest of the city. Almost like Marti Gras, without the New Orleans piss smell.
I was drunk for almost 24 hours straight from beer. Has to drink bottles of water every few beers to keep going. By the end of the run I was eating pet rabbit food with some chicks I met on the street.
What a fucking great time.
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The King – I rather have a killer six pack than having a beer gut. Sure alcohol helps with insecure guys gain confidence, in the end you are still hurting yourself physically and mentally. What are you going to do when you can’t drink? No alcohol = no game is truly pathetic… Your game should be better when you’re sober.
I agree. But alcohol use by men almost always involves quite a bit of male bonding which I don’t like. Some guys are really more interested in the alcohol and the male bonding than the women.
If you are gutless with women the LAST thing you should be doing is drinking. You need to stay sober and clear headed and get over the anxiety through practice. You need to stare down your own emotional overreactions.
Once you do that though you risk being so far beyond anxiety that you will find approaching even very attractive women to be actually boring.
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God forbid you have some fun with your friends.
Fucking douche.
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If approach anxiety is really a problem you could try Propranolol. Propranolol has been used by performers to overcome stage fright and by sportsmen (e.g., golf, shooting) to calm the shakes and help focus.
Its on-label use is to lower blood pressure. It blocks the action of epinephrine and so helps to calm the fight-or-flight response.
You will probably need less than the standard dose taken about an hour before hitting the location.
Given its method of action I do not know if it also lowers sex drive/performance. Something to consider.
This information is for entertainment only. Default Pharmacist and any related entities accept no responsibility for harmful results. Use at you own risk. Talk to you doctor first
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PS
Propranolol may actual help you learn to be less nervous. That is, after a few uses the fight-or-flight response to the situation goes away and you don’t need it anymore.
I have not tried this yet, so cannot speak to its effectiveness.
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Where’s your screenplay/literature endeavor?
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A long time ago, before it was made illegal, I tried GHB.
GHB in the correct dose has effects like alcohol without the hangover.
In small doses it worked to take the edge off on the day following a late night (although an anesthetic this small dose seemed energizing).
As part of the date-rape hysteria, it was tied to those drugs (e.g., Rohypnol – roofies). It is illegal in the US and many other countries.
Extreme care was needed as it had a steep dose-response curve (easy to go from too-little to too-much) that was very individual (too much for one person would be too little for the other). Because it was a central nervous system depressant mixing it with alcohol could be dangerous.
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default Pharmacist is a wise prince.
I have used propranolol (very sparingly) to prepare for of-my-chart- scary meetings. It works wonderfully.
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Willard:
WTF? you’re commiting my past comments to memory or are you saving them in your favorites? fucking weirdo.
and what does my comment about ann coulter taking black mamba have to do with my comments about drinking?
i have a feeling we just hit the under on my wager earlier by about 50 comments
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People have different levels of basic alcohol tolerance, and for each person that tolerance, uh, improves with practice. I used to live in Russia and Ukraine and learned to drink with the best of them. So I barely notice two or three beers, whereas others can feel the effects right away.
What’s with the hostility to male bonding over booze? It’s a time-honored tradition and does not interfere with chatting up women. It’s not about approach anxiety, insecurity, self confidence, etc. – if those are issues for you then alcohol won’t fundamentally change things, except in the short-term to lower your inhibitions. It’s about enjoying life, living large, lubricating social interaction, etc. It’s no accident that the puritan traditions in this country have often had alcohol as a primary target. What was it from Mencken? A puritan is the person with “the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy” …
also, @pharmacist – pill-popping for approach anxiety seems to me to be a very bad idea.
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Thursday
> When you’re starting out and trying to get over your approach anxiety, you shouldn’t drink, but after you have been doing this for awhile, you should feel free to drink as much or little as you want.
BINGO. The last thing you want is to *depend* upon alcohol to get into the right frame of mind. Alcohol isn’t bad, but you shouldn’t have to depend on it to meet people.
As a teetotaler, I can’t do hangover game. But I’ve done essentially the exact same thing when I’ve been jetlagged beyond belief. Works like a charm.
“Exhaustion game”? Maybe we have a new meta-game theory:
Kino Kid> But I’ve been waxing your car all day in the sun — I’m exhausted!
Mystery Miyagi> I see, Daniel-san. Now climb up mountain and say hello to hot girl.
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Me, after 22 Yuenglings:
“(hic) Hey, that Bald Eagle looks mighty fine”
Maybe I’d get lucky and drop dead from all the alcohol first.
Peter
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anony
If the meetings are regular (e.g., weekly) and similar in venue and participants you may not need it after a few times. The more random the events are the less “training” takes place.
I have never used it for any bars/clubs because any time I have ended up there I do not have my “drugs” handy. I do intend to try it though.
For unplanned approach the one-hour waiting time kind of kills the three-second rule (“Hey babe, you going to be around for an hour or so… Good I’ll be back.”
Actually that might be a unique opener. Call it the Propranolol Opener™ ©Default Enterprises 2009
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yea, consistent use of beta blockers like propranolol will kill your sex drive and athletic performance. only use it if you have to do an important meeting or something, not for picking up chicks on the weekend.
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maurice
Approach anxiety is a stupid brain malfunction. There is no reason for it (at least in the modern world).
The idea of Propranolol is to take the edge of that silly fear and allow you to make progress. As I have said, you may, after a short time, be able to train your brain not to have this irrational fear.
It would be great if none of us suffered shyness, approach anxiety or all the other stupid things that hold us back. Propranolol does not remove the fear but does make it manageable. Manageable to a level that it can be fixed by practice (I believe that is why the training effect works).
I see it as no worse than someone with arthritis taking medication to allow him exercise. Both are fixing a body malfunction in order to enjoy life more fully.
Of course any medication has risks. Please be aware of those. Ask your doctor first.
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Why can’t I get drunk?
I mean, really drunk. Don’t matter how much I drink, when I pass a certain line, I throw it up.
But alcohol is one of those things that is essencial. With that I became less introverted. I have to drink to be freed from the chains of timidity and “shy-ness”.
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“Twenty pushups every two beers; if you make it to 200, you win! Keep a couple of sleeping pills at hand and please, take a leak before you attempt to pass out.”
Yeah man, that shit, it seems, prevents me to throw up. But again, I can only do that when one goes in vacation and is in a friend’s house or something, drinking there with friends. When one is in the street/bar/club one does not have that option, one cannot randomly start doing push ups or exercise just because.
P.S. – When I did my record, I was drunk: 42 push ups… I know, it’s too little.
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@pharmacist – really? I take glucosamine for my joints, but brain chemistry is a totally different thing, right?
I see how this might seemingly contradict my earlier posts in praise of light drinking, as alcohol obviously effects brain chemistry. But booze has been around for millenia and its effects are well-known and understood. Maybe i should rephrase that, actually – it’s not for me, but I don’t judge others if they want something like a prescription anti-anxiety pill instead of a drink. Whatever works and is not harmful. And I agree that repetition and practice with anythign removes anxiety naturally.
@ peter- would your hallucinatory eagle have a GNP? 🙂
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Virgin@40
Shyness (discomfort in social situations) does go away with practice. You don’t want to be very drunk. You need just enough to take the edge off, so you can build your skills.
Don’t be hard on yourself. Realize that it is just something you have to build on. I think the thing that keeps shy people shy is they only look at the failures and not the successes.
You do not have to be the life of the party. One well-timed comment can be far better than an hour of babble.
Do not compare yourself to the loudest/coolest guy in the room; compare yourself to you yesterday, last week, last year. Realize that you are improving all the time.
Also realize that you may have bad days. This is not the end, it just happens. Even the coolest guys have bad nights.
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any altered state of consciousness provides an alternate scope of reality to those wise enough not to drown in the excess of that inherent feelgood feeling
that is the gatekeeper
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Different things work for different people though. When I am tired or not feeling well I clam up like you wouldn’t believe. I may not give a shit what anybody thinks, but my brain gets “stuck.”
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Ah, GHB.
If ever there was a true “PUA in bottle”, GHB would be it.
I used to say I would gladly give up all my alcohol and drug usage for the rest of my life if I could have access to a steady supply of pharmaceutical GHB.
The bomb. Hands down.
But like DU said, dosage is key. All to easy to go overboard with it and wake up to discover you pissed your pants…in your sleep…in the club.
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Do not compare yourself to the loudest/coolest guy in the room; compare yourself to you yesterday, last week, last year. Realize that you are improving all the time.
An RSD instructor was in town this past weekend and I got to see him in action. To see somebody who is that destroyingly good in person was actually a bit discouraging. He opened some of the same girls I had opened and, while I had no problem opening and holding those sets, it was obvious how much more they were into him than me.
But then I got control of myself, took a step back and looked at where I am now compared to a year ago. Mein gott! I used to be absolutely terrified of opening in a club. Now, it is no problem.
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Speaking of drugs, the ring finger routine is insane chick crack. It’s such really silly, simple to run piece, but girls take it sooooo seriously.
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“You really can’t give a fuck if you want to play. Otherwise too much gets in the way.”
I know it is this way. However, and it doesn’t matter how hard I try, I, and every Human Being, cannot fully control my feelings. You see, we do not control our feelings, that’s true, but that does not mean that we are overwhelmed and acting under our feelings.
Forget about it. We can all agree that what matters is that we have to appear that we do not give a fuck, that we simply and truly do not care about it.
The thing is: Two or three weeks ago, I opened, chatted – and all was going relatively well – a 18 years old bar tender. It was a friday night, we were in the street close to the bar area. The girl was a 7.
And although all was going well, I did not mannage to advance to some other phase (I think sedution). I knew it would soon get odd. I was very interested in her, I did care. Especially because I then rationalised that I’d only have such a good chance with such a good girl in six months time or so. It’s not that I’m in love with her or care about her. It is simply that it could at least have not been killed there.
And, because my group of friends became involved in a fight, we had to evacuate the place. We didn’t “have to”. We opted so.
I, under that mantra of the not caring at all, under that mantra of not giving a fuck… I opted to walk away from her right in the time where the girl was the most horny, or at least that’s when she looked more interested:
she and one friend of her – to which me and one friend of mine had been talking to – sat facing us, back turned towards the bars and the hundreds of people passing by, a position symetrically oposed to that they were in when we were chatting with them, meaning they had to turn 90º towards a less estimulative environment; her mixed group had apparently disapeared and she was alone with her (“our”) female friend; we (boys) had told the girls how they would not want to go to the club they were going to; the girls gave signs that they were a bit bored by their group of friends and would be pleased to go to some other place; we were even offered (all 4 + my intire group of friends) invitations to a different disco albeit with lower quality…
And then, I opted to go away because “I must not give a fuck”.
I figured out that if I stayed when all the group went away, I’d look like the needy beta that I am. (needy but somewhat still demanding 🙂 )
I thought that if I had come to her and said “what about we going somewhere?” that I’d look as if I cared too much about fucking her, and I simply had not gave or recieved signals in that way. Well, at least strong signals.
I left her, not believing that she would go crawling to me because I “didn’t give a fuck” but because I thought that maybe I’d see her again and start from where I finished. It has been some weaks now, and I regret that it was killed there. Which makes me think that sometimes, you have to show that you do give a little fuck.
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True.
After a night of partying in Prague I swooped 2 superfly snuka east euro arms dealer’s daughters on an easyjet flight (official airline of the G-Manifesto).
My hungover game was air tight despite wearing an ill-fitting ‘off the rack’ suit with no pocket square.
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Nwo, without a pocket square? For real?
By the way, what are some of the more key posts here that explain some of the basic concepts, because I read this and it’s all like, “if you do the negs (but not too hard) with a nice situational opener then you can avoid the shit tests and go straight to the number crunch,” and I’m like, I don’t know what any of that shit means.
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Default User, those are some wise words.
But I guess I have two distinct problems: 1st) Shyness with people. I get over it, I just built over my shyness and it feels as if I am walking with no floor below my feet, this stands in contrast with the strong and palpable ground I feel with someone I have already a relationship and speak to in non-preasure occasions.
Then I have the second problem which is shyness with women, especially hot women.
And in that, I believe the only thing I can do is to try not to care about what she thinks/will think of me and, at the same time, invest something on her. This I believe it can be surpassed with time.
If I could only shut up this girl alert sirene and build some ground when relating to people, that would be great.
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ALS,
You cannot avoid the shitty tests just with some good negs and a good situational opener…
And, concerning what it means, well… google it, like I do!
Believe me you don’t want me to be your teacher over here…
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Drink but avoid getting drunk. A man who is drunk in public is seen as weak by many women.
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i’m working on tightening up my suboxone game. strictly for recreation, of course. talk about anxiety relief! whew!
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nwo4life
“My hungover game was air tight despite wearing an ill-fitting ‘off the rack’ suit with no pocket square.”
Always wear a pocket square. Contrasting or non-contrasting, it doesn’t matter.
ALS
“if you do the negs (but not too hard)”
Don’t make her cry. Or make her feel so bad she turns lez.
“with a nice situational opener”
Wouldn’t you agree that the Picasso painting over there is a great example of his blue period?
“then you can avoid the shit tests”
You are such a “player”and you think you are so cool.
“and go straight to the number crunch,”
Put your number in my phone and I will call you later so we can rendezvous at the crib around 2. Make sure you bring two girlfriends.
Comprende amigo?
– MPM
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Virgin@40
Have you considered Toastmasters? Toastmasters are speaking clubs where members give a series of short talks to the club. Clubs are usually about twenty members. It is a very supportive atmosphere, offering plenty of help and encouragement.
You do not have to be a great speaker, not even a good one. The point is to build your skill and confidence. There are clubs all over the world. Most clubs will allow you attend some meetings before joining. Once you join you will be encouraged but never pressured to make your first speech (called the Ice Breaker).
Each meeting has other activities such as Table Topics (off the cuff speaking).
Toastmasters is a great way to build confidence. Many of those cool guys would turn to jelly if told they had to make a speech. It is a great boost to your confidence to give your first speech. Don’t worry about making a great impression because nobody cares. They are there to support you because they are in a similar position.
Special Bonus
Remember the guy at the front of the room is the Alpha. For the duration of his speech he controls the room.
Being willing to make the speech/presentation can make you the hero of the group because so many do not want to do it.
Regarding hot women (and I do regard them):
It is OK to care about what she thinks. You do care what she thinks; you are trying to pick her up. The point is to not worry. If you do not click, it just means on that night, with that person, at that moment, things did not work out. It is OK to want things to work but it does not make you a failure if they do not.
Also, behold the power of silence. If you have nothing to say don’t say it. Remember you are a cool guy; you do not need to constantly chatter. There is a good chance one of you will find something to restart the conversation. Check back on conversations with your friends and you will probably find plenty of gaps like that.
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achieving a slow buzz and keeping it there as long as possible without tipping over into full blown drunkenness
personal experience: if you are drinking vodka/whisky, one dose should last 30-40 minutes if ytou are standing, or 25-30 if you are sitting. If it is beer that you drink, a 350 ml bottle should last 20-25 minutes. it will be hot anyway after that
drink faster, and you get stoned. 3 doses of whisky in an hour are the recipe for a disaster after the second hour. The disaster can be mitigated if the first doses are taken with red bull.
this hang-over stuff is interesting. I have never approached girls during hang overs. I usually spend them lunching with family, in msn or drinking with my friends. But it is a fact that if your tag in msn says “STONED”, girls will chat you up. I had never noticed it. they see the tag, and want to know where did you go, with whom did you go, if you got any girls’ number and so on
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what does “because of” alcohol mean? geez, we’re talking about going to BARS here, for the most part. Alcohol lower inhibitions so if a chick walks out with you after a few drinks, she’s doing what she wanted to do anyway. (note that this obviously does NOT extend to the point of date-rape…) Girls drink to have fun too, and if they end up doing it with you because of your superior game, then they are just having that much more fun ..
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@gig – oh, my vodka tolerance is WAY higher than that. and I find that mixing anything worsens the hangover effect – especially Red Bull with all that sugar.
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G,
Pocket squares are essential.
In this case I gave mine to a fly asian chick to use as a makeshift SARS/swine flu mask.
I swooped her but it was a big price to pay.
Too big in my opinion.
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I would advise against either drugs or booze or exhaustion.
Think: approach anxiety is just what stage performers, athletes, and other folks have been dealing with for years. They’ve found successful solutions.
Which generally amount to meditation, visualizing success, and lots of practice under “simulated game conditions.” This seems to work for folks.
As a PUA, you’re trying to perform. Pretend you’re a pro athlete, and you’re in say a pre-season game. You want to look good for the Coaches but it’s not the Superbowl. Visualize success, and practice, practice, practice. Mirrors are great, and brutal at picking up flaws. Even better, video cameras. Try different angles.
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g manifesto
because i want a girl to like me for the way i am when im sober, now the way i am when im drunk. if you want to date a girl that likes you only when your drunk though then more power to you lol!!
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I am not talking about the hang over, but of your capacity of leaving the place able to walk/drive.
what I say is that a guy that drinks 6 vodkas in three hours is largely able to drive. Guys who aren’t aren’t able to drive when sober, usually. if you drink 9 vodkas in three hours, then things change a lot. Specially in places where night life goes until 5 or 6 AM. If you arrive at 11 PM and have 9 vodkas in your body by 2 AM, you lose the night.
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Jaakkeli:
I don’t get hangovers unless I try to get drunk with wine or mead or something. Hangovers are not about the ethanol, it’s from all the other shit.
Sorry to burst your bubble but science says otherwise. It’s the amount of alcohol in your blood after you stop drinking that alone determines the severity and duration of your hangover. The exact symptoms may vary depending on your state of hydration, sleep deprivation, stomach content, and blood sugar.
Many people seem to be under the illusion that drinking a variety drinks like wine and liquors during the course of an evening is the main cause hangover or makes it worse. In reality, it’s easier to lose track of how much you have drunk when you drink many different good-tasting types of alcoholic drinks during an evening.
The next day is exactly as clear as your drink. Vodka is best for drinking but the social setting usually calls for something else.
Vodka is good for calming ones nerves in small doses. It’s also good for toasting with lots of stuff happening between the toasts, like eating and talking. I’ve personally never understood the point of getting shitfaced.
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russell rodriguez
“because i want a girl to like me for the way i am when im sober, now the way i am when im drunk. if you want to date a girl that likes you only when your drunk though then more power to you lol!!”
I got you.
See, I am almost always either drinking, hungover or getting exercise (mostly drinking and hungover while exercising).
For a girl to like “the real me”, she will have to like me when I am drinking.
– MPM
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So Mr. Manifesto, what DO you say to “you are such a ‘player’ and think you are so cool”? Something like, “well, you think you’re so…”, or, “why yes, I am, indeed”? I assume the very last thing you want to do is demur – i.e. “oh no, I don’t think that at all!”
On a totally unrelated note, how full of shit do you have to be to pull all this off? For example, I’m from Philly, and I met a recent transplant who lives out on the Main Line (the super-rich suburbs area), and I say, how do you like it, and she complains that everyone tries to be too posh. And I’m like, since when is being ‘posh’ a bad thing, and she gives me this whole idiotic liberal spiel about how ‘poshness’ is somehow attained on the backs of others and how rich people hurt her feelings by making faces at her. So in so many words I told her that that was all a pile of bullshit. Now granted, it can work to tell a woman she’s an idiot, it’s very assholish and all that, but I find that many don’t like it, including her. So must I really pretend to sympathize with her stupid poshness issues? And is sex with an 8 really worth the feeling in my throat I get when I hold back from telling a woman she’s a moron (not to mention the feelings of disgust after I fuck the moron)? And doesn’t game in general involve many of these sorts of sacrifices?
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some people have difficulties in sleeping if they drink red bull. And everyone I know have problems w/sleeping if several red bulls are mixed with whisky/vodka (several meaning more than 3)
what people do is mixing whisky with coconut water (don’t know if it is how you call it in english).
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Finn vs. Finn throwdown: booze science!
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“””””””””””””””So must I really pretend to sympathize with her stupid poshness issues? And is sex with an 8 really worth the feeling in my throat I get when I hold back from telling a woman she’s a moron (not to mention the feelings of disgust after I fuck the moron)? And doesn’t game in general involve many of these sorts of sacrifices?”””””””””””””
Yea until you find the one you click with for real. Just make dam sure you don’t get the one your with pregnant. Most chicks are probably not going to be lifetime partner material. If she is not lifetime partner material just try to have fun I would think. If not why stay with her.
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22 Yuenglings from 4pm-8:30pm (light afternoon hours in August) = 12 minutes/ Yuengling
It deserves a speedy ticket!
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sorry, a *speeding* ticket
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Sorry to burst your bubble but science says otherwise. It’s the amount of alcohol in your blood after you stop drinking that alone determines the severity and duration of your hangover.
No. Nope. No. Not at all. It maybe alcohol but not ETHANOL.
It’s methanol and higher alcohols than ethanol. Fermentation produces all of those, too. Distillation makes vodkas almost pure water + ethanol but other drinks have significant amounts of that other stuff left. And I can tell that it’s probably methanol for me because I hear it mainly comes from the pectin…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pectin
…and the worst stuff for hangovers is apple cider. Makes no sense if it’s ethanol. When I can get a hangover with a silly bottle of cider with laughable ethanol content and no hangover at all with the same amount of vodka, it’s definitely not ethanol.
Sima on toinen takuukrapula vaikka etanoliprossa olisi naurettava.
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*thanks God Whiskey ain’t into the heavy stuff*
I’m a light drinker myself.
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…niin kiljusta puhumattakaan. Kammoksuin teininä alkoholia pitkään, kun maalaispojan ekat ja ainoat kokemukset olivat tietysti muurahaispesäkiljua ja HYI VITTU niitä krapuloita vaikka maku oli sellainen ettei siinä etanolia pystynyt pämppäämään edes teinikänneihin.
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@marrku- are you from Finland too?
I wonder why this blogs attracts men from Finland and Brazil?
*wonders if any Italian(-IA) &French men comment/lurk here often*
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Finnz cuz we’re nerds. We can’t even drink without science.
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great advice but it just wouldn’t be as fulfilling if i picked up a chick because of alcohol.
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russell rodriguez
“great advice but it just wouldn’t be as fulfilling if i picked up a chick because of alcohol.”
Por que?
Picking up fly girls for me is always life enhancing.
Regardless of the circumstances.
– MPM
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ALS
So Mr. Manifesto, what DO you say to “you are such a ‘player’ and think you are so cool”? Something like, “well, you think you’re so…”, or, “why yes, I am, indeed”? I assume the very last thing you want to do is demur – i.e. “oh no, I don’t think that at all!”
No.
Play it like any question any girl asks you.
Ignore it and move on to other subjects.
– MPM
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While the hangover game part is spot on, the day drinking section is a lame, desperate attempt to add something (anything) original on to the email from a mere reader.
Day drinking is a load of fun, but it is more about good times with the guys than actually picking up any girls.
First, completely sober people (and most girls you come across will be sober) usually don’t love talking to drunk people regardless of the situation.
Second, it will be such a guys day that you will pay more attention to impressing or entertaining your friends than actually doing what you need to do to get the girl. Sitting around with the boys… are you actually going to isolate your target or think about positioning a set correctly? Instead you are most likely just going to yell at every girl that walks by. Fun indeed, but not productive in a “game” sense.
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I know this saying!
This is always followed by a really cute girl in grey uniform saying in adorably accented English — “”Should the cabin lose pressure, oxygen masks are in the overhead area. Please place the bag over … ”
FinnAir, best airline ever.
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Know what’s even better than being hung over? Being TIRED.
When you are super tired your mind and body slow to a crawl and all self conscious thoughts disappear.
You hear Mystery and other PUA’s talk about “getting out of your head”. Well, being tired nearly to the point of hallucinating puts you in another universe.
And no pounding headache.
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A dose of powerful hallucinogens does the trick as well. Much easier to chat up a girl when you think they’re a corner demon.
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atc,
i noticed in roosh’s post that he was speaking very short term. he was talking about anger arising after 1 date. that was kind of strange to me. i’ve never had an angry first several dates much less first date so i’m not sure what that’s all about.
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“Me hungry, me want tasty GNP!”
Peter
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Peter has latent bestial proclivities. He is trying to mainstream is bestiality.
He actually wants the woman’s buttocks to be covered in wiry pubic hair as well.
Eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!
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Propranolol and other medication is no joke: you’re messing with your heart here. (I mean that literally)
Do what you can without medication, there’s so much that can go wrong.
SAY NO TO DRUGS.
DAMMIT.
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Brief drive-by comment on abs. Abs without game are useless. But abs with Game, ahhhh — been there done that!
Abs are icing on the cake. To have abs in general means you are in great shape. That great shape will play on her at so many levels.
When you are built, it’s a mind-blowing thing to watch a woman’s reaction to your six-pack, the tentative touch, the glance running across chest, to abs, to erect organ. If you are lucky, the worship that will follow will take you to new erotic heights. (And the domination you can get away with in its aftermath will make you smile for days.)
So, if you are young, get cracking with your diet, aerobics and weightlifting, and take your body to the next level. If you are a 7 or an 8, being well-built and in-shape, brings those 10’s within reach. Game seals the deal.
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El Guapo, how old are you if you don’t mind saying?
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A good start is this random Bar my friends and I found on a Sunday morning when I was visiting DC. DIY Bloody Mary bar at 11 am on Sunday… nothing like Tabasco sauce and vodka in the morning.
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What do you get when you take a man and deepen his voice, slow down his movements, remove all semblance of a smile, infuse him with a don’t-give-a-fuck attitude, and prop dark sunglasses on his raccoon eyes? You create a pussy magnet.
You’re really stretching for this one, or it’s just the women you date.
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Da_Truth_Hurts – God forbid you have some fun with your friends.
No need for you to get all threatened and defensive. I’m all in favor of guys like you hanging out with your “buddies” and getting drunk.
Chuck – Willard: and what does my comment about ann coulter taking black mamba have to do with my comments about drinking?
I really don’t know what’s up with your White beta boy sexual fetish/fantasy about black males or why you need to project your own deepest fears and desires onto Ann Coulter.
I do know that there are a lot of you racially emasculated White boys out there.
I think that’s why you guys drink a lot.
i have a feeling we just hit the under on my wager earlier by about 50 comments
No YOU hit the under by 90 with the 3rd comment in this thread.
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Tupac,
I’m in my mid 40’s.
I’m built and in-shape but no longer ripped (sigh). Several wives, no kids, dodged the alimony bullets, all the usual stuff of a full adult life for 25+ years.
At this point I tend to seduce women in their late 20’s, early 30’s for fun, sport and pleasure. Deliberately short-term and deliberately intense.
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I find Kava takes the edge off of most things but I never tried it with game.
I’m still fairly new to game but I’m a natural nut ball who happened to get wussy in a marriage. So I’m a little edgy around chicks except that I’m very lucky because I’m good looking, successful, and athletic in contact sports so I can get away with a lot of BS.
Tomorrow will be a first for me. I’m going to try to pick up a particularly hot woman at my kid’s school in the morning right in front of all the other mommies and our kids. This chick’s also on the PTA with my wife. I kept wanting to find her in some other venue and game her there but it’s been a couple months since I first singled her out for a f-target and I haven’t seen her anywhere else.
I’d like to see an “open this set” special on this kind of game. This is the kind of dirtball game that requires pharmaceutical intervention and I’ll try some Kava to do it. I have no shame. I could end up a pariah but I could also try to spin it such that my f-target gets the shame/blame as a “homewrecker” and I bet a few of the other mommies will secretly wish they were in her shoes.
Wish me luck… I post an update tomorrow. If it doesn’t work I’ll try to get our 22 year old secretary high during lunch.
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willard,
fucking moron…if you’re unable to put 2 and 2 together i was referencing my 3rd comment when i made the later comment…
as far as ann coulter…there’s no fetish for white women and black dudes there, its just that a connecticutt raised, wasp-y, rail thin blonde like herself is in completely stark contrast to a black dude…in the same way that ted haggard fucked guys, something he preached against, i wouldn’t be surprised if ann coulter fucked black dudes, the demographic she least identifies with.
you’re the one who added the racially taboo, cuckold spin to it, which probably indicates more about you than anything, especially taking into account your sensitivity on the race issue.
i’ve heard exTenze works wonders for your type of affliction…also, don’t rule surgery out.
also, kindly stop archiving and/or commiting my comments to rote memory…
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chuck,
i agree with willard that your bipartisanship against ‘conservatives’ seems indignant regarding race WRT sexual preference. AC is not THE hottest conservative piece of ass, although you’ve subjectified her to the harshest of (racial-specific) big cock fetishisms with your remarks.
lurker put forth a bomb a couple nights ago: white women fetishized black man because their bastards seeds are obviously more noticeable. so: you can’t have black men; >supply = <demand. this concept wouldn’t secure tenure, but it should bob a bunch of heads because it makes sense. holler
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No. Nope. No. Not at all. It maybe alcohol but not ETHANOL.
It’s methanol and higher alcohols than ethanol. Fermentation produces all of those, too. Distillation makes vodkas almost pure water + ethanol but other drinks have significant amounts of that other stuff left. And I can tell that it’s probably methanol for me because I hear it mainly comes from the pectin…
Really? I’ve had terrible hangovers from vodka alone …
… venäläisten juottamana tietenkin. Juotiin pelkkää votkaa ja ai saatana.
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Jaakkeli,
it seems that you’re partly right in that drinking only distilled alcohol helps avoid hangover, but only partly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangover
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I agree, whenever I guy emits a more cavalier attidude, it makes them more fun to play with then some guy exuding too much agression, but the same holds true for women. I know most guys would say its the beauty rating factor as to who they go after, but it’s also true for a woman with the attidude they play off.
I never have gone out “looking” to be picked up or for the one, it just usually happens. Many women have asked me what I do differently…I’ve even had friends claim its the way my hips jut forward. Who knows. I just know they are usually out on the hunt, where as I just am enjoying the moment.
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Canon’s Canon, to be fair, I thought that *non-black* women in general did. Even darker skinned women, such as Indian women. Just the other night I saw an Indian woman out with a black man, and it struck me that, despite both being dark skinned, her dark skin was much different than his in a way I can’t quantify, and their features were way different—more different than a white or asian man if he had been with her.
Also, I also think that *non-black men* also fetishize for a similar reason: instantly upon birth, a non-black man cuckholded by a black man would be instantly found out and embarassed, for all the world to see.
A beta/omega non-black male cuckholded by another non-black could make arguments that the child is his and carry on, pretending his wife is faithful and that it is all his fault, hidden from public shame. But a non-black cuckholded by a black is publically shamed from the start.
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You all want to avoid hangovers?
Force yourself to drink a lot of water, like a quart, before going to bed. You won’t want to. You’ll have to make yourself. But you can. Then try to pee five minutes later, just before sacking out.
Of course if you just pass out rather than pass a kitchen as you’re stumbling to bed, you’re beyond help. Markku.
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for those of you who rely on wikipedia, more evidence it is not a source for information:
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090512/ap_on_hi_te/eu_ireland_wikipedia_hoaxer
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ALS
If her opinions make you uncomfortable, just change the subject. Does it matter so much if she agrees with your worldview?
I tend to consider women as mildly amusing well meaning children. Not to be taken too seriously, in most matter.
Just steer the conversation. If she is leading it and you feel pressured to be her agreeable puppet, you are failing all the shit tests. Stop yourself cold – just stop. Is she into you? Then you can pass the shit test. And if not, why bother? Either way, it’s pointless to be her thought-puppet yes man.
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lurker: alarming fact of the day, guess what the number one easy source for medical students these days is 😉
Those medical textbooks are just so cumbersome and expensive.
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Last night’s new episode of “Two and a Half Men” was back in good form.
Charlie was back to his old alpha ways, though with an angry edge. His shrewish but hot fiancee Chelsea was very responsive sexually to his game.
Alan the beta brother is beginning his descent to beta-induced madness. He tried gaming his brother’s girl Chelsea with beta/gal-pal “game.” With predictable results: she goes to the Van Gogh exhibit with alan, then prances around the kitchen with him, laughing along to their fun-fun diner preparation. Charlie swoops in and whispers somethign in her ear. Her grin changes from funloving to concupiscent and they go upstairs.
Alan is left alone with the mess. Forlorn and wounded. Just another brick in the beta wall.
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You’ve more or less described my day-to-day life, though I don’t run game anymore (married, two kids). Believe me, work is about showing up and pretending to care. Actual performance is highly over-rated. And yes, I ran hungover game on chicks for years, and yes, it worked. Women like sleezeballs, and that always came naturally to me.
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This episode by the way was very much along the lines of the philosophy that David Alexander advocates: some men are good for sex, other men are good for hugs.
Alan the Hugger is beginning to lose his mind. He is still in denial but being a beta is unsustainable.
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Alan the beta brother is beginning his descent to beta-induced madness. He tried gaming his brother’s girl Chelsea with beta/gal-pal “game.
The difference is that a good beta will be well aware that gal-pal stuff doesn’t work, and is best suited for making friends. If you’re using those methods to build female attraction, then obviously, it explains why one could be upset and frustrated.
some men are good for sex, other men are good for hugs
On the flip side, some women are good for hugs, and others have a look that says “fuck me now”.
On barely related side point, Wellesley Queen had always said that if I was white, her mother would have viewed me as a perfect “back up” option in case she didn’t find anybody to get married since I was quiet, polite, and a church going Catholic. Wellesley Queen obviously didn’t see me that way, and in retrospect, it was probably better than way too…
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“For a girl to like “the real me”, she will have to like me when I am drinking.”
The G Manifesto nails it. My wife has had to slowly adjust to this concept. The drinking me actaully is the real me. What I present during the working day is an illusion. So far, it’s worked pretty well.
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The difference is that a good beta will be well aware that gal-pal stuff doesn’t work, and is best suited for making friends.
The character Alan wasn’t trying to game Chelsea. He was sincere about his gal-pal activities with her. He’s a SWPL metrosexual who likes going to farmers markets.
But he nevertheless resented when she dropped him on moment’s notice when Charlie swooped in and whispered something dirty in her ear.
Was it because he was attracted to her and was in denial about it? Or because as a “friend” he gets tossed aside when uncouth drink-beer-all-day Charlie so much as wags his finger at her? Or because being a friend to a woman is weak validation, compared to being her lover?
I liked how Bertha (the gruff no-nonsense housekeeper) described the situation to Charlie: Alan digs the trench, Charlie lays the pipe.
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I enjoyed your Wellesley Queen backstory though. A very good character study and showed some insight.
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I have three personalities. Sober, mildly drunk, and plastered. I like the first me, love the second me, and am hugely embarassed by the third.
They are all me. If I stopped drinking it would be suicidal to a very important aspect of my self.
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I enjoyed your Wellesley Queen backstory though. A very good character study and showed some insight.
Thanks. Since it receieved very little response, I figured nobody had bothered to read it. It’s still missing some parts, some of which may have been omitted due to length constraits, faltering memory, or privacy concerns.
But he nevertheless resented when she dropped him on moment’s notice when Charlie swooped in and whispered something dirty in her ear.
As the platonic friend, you sometimes resent the other guy, but not because he’s getting the sex, but because it interrupts your time with her. As one progresses in the world of hugs, you learn that your time is always limited by the presence of the boyfriend, and that it’s best to be patient, not waste time, and enjoy the time that you do have. You also learn to keep other women around for hugging too. There’s a reason why I have three other girls at work for conversation purposes for when non-date isn’t around. Even a platonic man has to keep his options open and have a life outside of his friend(s).
Or because being a friend to a woman is weak validation, compared to being her lover?
If you’re a beta who thinks women are attracted to him, then it’s validation. If you’re a beta who is aware that women are incapable of attraction toward betas, then you’ll take the friendship as being more honest than being a false lover, especially if she’s not hot.
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I though the story of the Wellesley Queen was intriguing and well-told, too. A mini-portrait of the ambitious Scot-Irish girl trying to shed her “prole roots,” even if she’s got to tell the friends of her youth to get lost in the process. The American Way.
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David Alexander
[From your Wellesley Queen story.]
That all sounds kind of Alpha to me.
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game posts: 100 comments
politics posts: 300+ comments
race posts: 1000000 posts.
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That all sounds kind of Alpha to me.
Not necessarily.
At the time, my dad was driving my Saturn, and I was using my deceased aunt’s RAV 4 to get to work and school until my other aunt returned to take it back. If I had my Saturn, it would have been unlikely that I would have had sex with her since that car is much smaller. Plus, since we had some beers before making out, by the time her boyfriend caught us in front of her house, I was still buzzed, and I wouldn’t have passed a sobriety test which is a one-way ticket to jail which was coincidentally around the corner from her home. Did I also state that her boyfriend was a built 6’3 boyfriend who was a custodian at a local public utility?
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From the field:
Had to abort. When I approached her damn cell phone rang and she yapped the whole time. I didn’t get my secretary high either. I forgot that I threw my lighter plug in my car out. But I did get her a giant margarita but I paid (well I put it on the company tab but the company is 50% mine so same diff).
Beta day for me. 😦
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David Alexander said:
“I almost crashed a car, barely avoided jail, and nearly beat up for simply having unprotected sex with thirty-something women in front of her home in the dark.”
DA, you fucking rock! I hope you look back at this with pride.
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don´t bitch about him, bitch about the priorities of the commenters.
only girls bitch about him.
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Hangovers are the earmark of a loose canon.
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