Install a high-powered fan in your bathroom to drown out the sounds of your woman crapping in the morning. *plop plop*!
Let her do the talking 80% of the time and the action 20% of the time.
Tease her 99 out of 100 verbal interactions. Walk right up to the point of offending her, and stop short there. This is an art. With practice, it will come second nature.
Notice something flattering about her once every ten hours together. Complimenting her choice in shoes is a sure bet.
After a makeout, say, “You just gave me a boney.”
Do not roll on your own condoms. That’s what she has hands, feet and a mouth for. Most girls love to put the condom on, anyhow.
After you’ve shot your whey protein-boosted load across her chest, admire your handiwork for a bit, get up, grab a towel, and throw it in her face while saying “You’d better clean yourself off, babe.” This is catnip to chicks. I don’t know why. Just run with it.
If you’re going to appreciate one thing about your woman, appreciate her cooking. Second choice: Her sexual prowess.
Be late for one out of three dates. When out on the town with your girl, saunter off for fifteen minutes to talk to a bartender/friend/lonely old guy, leaving her wondering where you’ve gone. Lesson: Don’t be *too* reliable.
Don’t rummage through her dirty laundry out of morbid curiosity. You won’t like what you find.
Two words: Air fresheners.
If you catch her pooping, peeing, shaving, tweezing, squeezing, popping, plucking, picking, inserting, removing, douching, trimming, waxing, or sandpapering, pretend you didn’t notice.
Do NOT, under any circumstance, get a cat. She will divide her love between you and the cat.
Dogs are OK, though, as long as the dog is more loyal to you than to her. Train the dog to sniff out the arrival of her period. Which brings us to…
Temporarily walk out of her life when she’s on the rag. Come back when the coast is clear.
Password-protect the digital photo, digital “black book”, and porn folders on your computer. Remember to delete photos of exes and current girlfriends from your camera. (I learned this the hard way.)
Leave articles about low carb dieting and weightlifting conspicuously lying around your home. Include one article about a guy who left his fat wife for a skinny co-ed. Best to nip any future problems in the bud.
Don’t arm wrestle her if you can’t beat her.
Don’t be a cheapskate with the toilet paper. Minimum three-ply. You can cut corners elsewhere.
Go shooting with her at least once.
Commit this line to memory: “It looks better on you, honey.”
And the Number One Key to a healthy relationship:
Cum in her mouth and hold it closed until she swallows it. Also known as: Pair bonding.
What if she swallows willingly?
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first …
Hmm… I have liked your other checklists a lot better than this one. A little too much on bathroom activity/bodily functions – the rest mostly common sense to this crowd. What guy couldn’t beat his girl in arm-wrestling? If you even have to think about the other possibility, game over. That one must’ve been a joke.
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p.s. all cats are evil and must be banished or destroyed. and dogs always like men better.
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“Password-protect the digital photo, digital “black book”, and porn folders on your computer. Remember to delete photos of exes from your camera.”
Learned this one the hard way. Also, when your girlfriend asks questions to you like “where was your mom born?” or “what’s your favorite band/book?” be aware that she’s probing your various email accounts.
true story, my ex called me up one day asking me what city my mom was born…i didn’t think fast enough and told her…she hacked my email account by answering my security question and found a few correspondence emails with an old fling. bad news bears man.
“Don’t be a cheapskate with the toilet paper. Minimum three-ply. You can cut corners elsewhere.”
Chicks are fanatics about toilet paper. the brand, the location in the bathroom, how much inventory of it you have in your house. they go full U.S.S.R. when dictating and planning toilet paper purchases.
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“That one must’ve been a joke.”
What world do you live in? You’re not reading the fucking Economist
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lol—–funny stuff, and true too
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Cats are the greatest creatures.
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Do not roll on your own condoms. That’s what she has hands, feet and a mouth for. Most girls love to put the condom on, anyhow.
Not in my experience.
I’ve usually got them writhing in pleasure with one hand up or on their cooch while I’m wrapping up with the other.
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You missed out ‘lock her in a room away from other men’, ‘stock a healthy supply of acid’ and ‘move to Saudi Arabia if possible’.
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Install a high-powered fan in your bathroom to drown out the sounds of your woman crapping in the morning. *plop plop*!
Girls don’t poop. I’ve never seen evidence to the contrary. They sustain on sunshine and the smell of flowers.
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good tips, nothing world-shattering but real solid. the type of concise thing the kids can print out and pin to the fridge
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Anyway, roissy, it is possible to live with a cat if you are more alpha than it.
Difficult, I know. Cat > DA.
Doug >> Cats. I would give up kitties for doug. That is saying a lot, considering I’ve been obsessed with getting one since I could barely walk. My mother has pictures of me dragging the poor cats around (er, guess, there’s a limit to their alphaness when confronted with a demon child). I don’t own one yet.
That’s actually really good advice for most guys. Remember to be more dominant than the pet.
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Chicks are fanatics about toilet paper.
So true. It’s also generally a good idea to keep your bathroom quite clean.
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My Key To A Healthy Relationship?
Keep them short.
Like one night.
Anything beyond that, goes downhill fast.
– MPM
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G Manifesto: Bless, what a romantic, you call that a relationship.
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“”””””””””””””””Thursday
Chicks are fanatics about toilet paper.
So true. It’s also generally a good idea to keep your bathroom quite clean.””””””””””””””””””””
If you could keep the bathroom clean by yourself what would you need a woman for.
“”””””””””””””””””Roissy
Password-protect the digital photo, digital “black book”, and porn folders on your computer. Remember to delete photos of exes and current girlfriends from your camera. (I learned this the hard way.)””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Come up with an alternate life to answer the stupid questions from. Don’t give real answers.
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Bhetti
“G Manifesto: Bless, what a romantic, you call that a relationship.”
Yes.
I just collapse time frames.
More efficient.
– MPM
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The problem with a kitten is that
It grows up to become a cat.
If cats could talk they would lie.
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Banana Cream Pie, now on sale: http://www.advantagesupplements.com/myogenix-myolean-evolution-protein.html
you will put out more fires than vinnie chase in smokejumpers.
Roosh: what Economist article did i miss about arm-wrestling chicks?
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Bhetti-
You’ll have to.
Girl before last got a kitten verging on being a cat, in an act of rebellion. It had something to do with her having discovered I’d cheated on her. Well I sorta told her. Within two months she was history. I’m not sure that cat was directly causal. Though we didn’t much like each other. At first I made weak efforts at pretending and that cat made even weaker ones. Then I just stared at it, and it slunk away. Actually it then started annoyingly rubbing against my leg and stuff but I wasn’t having it, to her owner/mother’s distress. Actually, that cat became the medium / metaphor for our emotional separation. I think the cat made it easier.
Anyway Bhetti, what I want to know is can you cook? I’m having immediate fantasies about all kinds of exotica.
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Rum
LoL
That’s good.
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Realize that when a woman talks about her problems, the last thing she wants is suggestions on how to solve them. Let her bitch while you sympathetically look on, trying to remember what time the game starts or figuring if you still have time for a booty call elsewhere that evening.
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@roosh: huh? economist is now writing articles about arm-wrestling women? I think not. I read it almost every week and I would have definitely remembered that.
@bhetti & doug: You guys are gonna have to get a virtual room soon. And that’s a great thing.
still a little grossed out by all the unnecessary poop and TP references, but I guess that *is* part of relationship management. Wouldn’t exactly call it a pretty lie, though.
who stores porn on their desktop? It’s all available on the Internet with two or three clicks of a mouse. Of every imaginable variety. Delete the browser history after each look-see (and cache in recent files) and you’re mostly OK.
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Bhetti
I do recall you preparing one tantalizing, succulent fruit arrangement for some mere philistine the other day, who then went something like “meehh, give me McDonalds”…
Now THAT made me mildly jealous. (Your flirting with gunny = meh.)
Actually it was more along the lines of mild surprise that you couldn’t figure out who would really appreciate those talents.
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@ ken
“Realize that when a woman talks about her problems, the last thing she wants is suggestions on how to solve them.”
Truth.
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Here’s my own list:
Cum in her mouth, let her spit it back into yours. Hot.
Let her wipe your cum off on you. Also hot.
If you stick it in her pooper, she’s entitled to stick something in yours. DOUBLE HOT
Never be late unless there’s a valid reason. Time-wasters get put out to the pasture.
Never get a dog. Dogs command a lot more attention than cats, which are pretty independent animals. Dogs are more territorial.
Everybody poops, everybody pees. Don’t be a squeamish fuck about it.
Don’t be a phony. Only compliment something if its necessary or you genuinely like something. Frequent complimenting makes you sound like you’re digging for favors.
Learn to cook, and cook meals together. That shit is rewarding.
Respect her personal space.
Have sex with her on her period. Period sex is awesome and makes a girl feel much better if she’s up to it. Its also a nice way to let a girl know you aren’t disgusted by her periods. A lot of ladies feel gross when they menstruate, but it also makes em feel incredibly horny.
Girls are obsessed with body image enough as it is. A sure fire way to drive a chick away is to insinuate that she needs to change. If you can’t stand her because she’s fat, gtfo. You’re shallow and she’s way better off without that shit.
Clean up after yourself. Women work, they don’t have time for your mess.
Hiding your porn is dumb. Mature women understand that guys have alone-time needs, as do they. So unless you’re into bestiality porn or child porn (and if so kill yourself immediately) there shouldn’t be too much of a problem with the right girl.
Don’t treat her like a kid.
She’s your equal, you should be able to share responsibilities like normal adults.
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I’m guessing balls is a woman perhaps?
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That list would almost seem a satire of your classic ball-busting DC lawyer chick, except it’s too bitter.
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“”””””””””””Balls
Cum in her mouth, let her spit it back into yours. Hot.””””””””””””””””””””””
Naa that is gay. The only way there will be a constant transfer of food is if you are both eating the last piece of food and you keep chopping it in half and giving it back to each other until it is gone. That is hot.
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balls–
You’re a girl.
This is true. It’s actually quite powerful. It’s a very good place to take her. It makes you more amazing, which is never a bad thing.
However, there’s no need to keep revisiting. It’s a oood head trip place to go, but it is messy (towels guys), she does tend to need a lot of getting into the mood then, and well, been there, done that with her.
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In fact, I’m starting to think this whole list is a sort of joke on us – much like the Pee-Wee-Herman-as-Alpha video. Not that some of it isn’t true, but it’s so far outside the usual themes and quality.
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@ seeking alpha.
Its not my fault if I’m not trapped in the 1950’s.
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@ doug
Ehhh, I might be slightly biased due to mild fetishism.
As for mess, its a little inconvenient, but it looks pretty cool to have blood on your cock too. But, eh, that’s what shower sex is for.
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Regarding cats and cats:
Is she is athletic as, and can move with the grace of the cat; if she is as loyal and glad to see you as the dog, then she is probably a keeper.
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“If cats could talk they would lie.”
Ha! Also true.
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Balls is a female. Not a bewildering-yet-fun one like Sara or Chic. More like Anony or Dizzy — an unappealing and unsexy “just go away” type.
And no, girls don’t poop. Only a turd-fetishist, or a person without an elementary understanding of human physiology, would insist they do.
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@pa
One of them newfangled “half faggots” 😉
and a shameless pervert to boot.
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cats are fucking repulsing.
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looks like the cat-haters are out in force today.
too early to say about balls. she is trying to be funny, on point and on theme, which is great. You’re in the spirit of things. Welcome. Might you be one of the regulars under an alias, though?
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cats are alpha. many lessons to be learned by mirroring their dgas tude.
roissy:
lmfao. i always do the porno moneyshot on their stomachs then roll over. i don’t even need to give orders, the girls just lay there for a while, basking in the memory of my pounding, then get out of the sack and get to wiping.
the BEST ones pick it up with their fingers and lick it off like errant Bavarian Creme from a Napoleon. For lilgirl, just thing “pol pot”
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Balls might yet prove to have that vinegary je ne sais quoi, but lost me at “girls poop.” It’s a lie.
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Could someone kindly explain to me females’ fascination with cats? I just dont get it.
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Don’t arm wrestle her if you can’t beat her.
Hahaha, I hope that’s not one you had to learn from experience!
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maurice
Ah. maurice is theorizing that we have a Sybil.
That’s intriguing.
Let’s see. There are only a limited number of our regular girls that she could be. She can’t be a girly girl. No way she’s Bhetti or Sara or finefantiastic or LILGRL. Or paperdreamer, remember her? Nope. No chance.
She’s not shrill enough to be Dizzy.
Alias Clio could be (and is) that logical yet female sounding. And has the worldliness, of course. But Clio wouldn’t Sybil I don’t think, or address those topics or some of them anyway.
My guess? balls = feministx = anony (the recent one).
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Ovid–
Girls experience them as miniature alphas that aren’t threatening.
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Sounds a little calculating, roissy, but whatever works. Solve the cat problem by getting a Ragdoll. They are the most dog like cat there is.
Ragdoll cats tend to be more interested in humans than some breeds of cats. They are known to run to greet you at the door, follow you from room to room, flop on you, sleep with you, and generally choose to be where you are. Many Ragdolls have been taught to come when called and play fetch. They are gentle cats, and usually play without extending their claws.
http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/ragdoll.html
Or go the other route and get an Abyssinian.
As described in the Abyssinian Breeders International “Kitten Buyer’s Guide” by Carolyn Osier, “Abyssinians must be one of the most intelligent animals ever created.” This handbook for the potential Aby owner describes these cats as “…a very people-oriented cat. Not a lap cat… but a cat that likes to be with people, a cat that wants to know what you are doing – that wants to help. There is probably no breed anywhere more loyal than the Aby. Once you have acquired an Aby as a companion, you will never be able to complain that no one understands you. Abys are very good at training people to do just what they want them to do.”
….like a good woman. Don’t deny yourself a woman who loves cats, unless you prefer more masculine women.
http://www.cfa.org/breeds/profiles/abyssinian.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasma_gondii
Toxoplasma gondii is a species of parasitic protozoa in the genus Toxoplasma.[1] The definitive host of T. gondii is the cat, but the parasite can be carried by all known mammals.
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/22/moodaltering-cat-par.html
A parasite that causes rats to sacrifice themselves to cats may also change human behavior, making women more outgoing and warmhearted, and men more jealous and suspicious. The Toxoplasma bacteria protist is shed in cat feces, which are eaten by rats; infected rats become fearless in the presence of cats, which makes them easier to catch, which, in turn spreads the disease to new cats.
Carl Zimmer is the author of Parasite Rex, a sharp science book dealing with the amazing ways that parasites attack us, change us, farm us, use us and kill us. He reports on new research on the effect of Toxoplasma bacteria on humans.
Toxoplasma was previously believed to be largely harmless to humans (though it can compromise our immune systems). But new research suggests that humans, like rats, go through behavioral changes when infected with the parasite, though the effects are opposite in women and men.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
http://www.btinternet.com/~ukneqas.parasitologyscheme/Toxoplasma_Scheme/Teaching_Information/Toxoplasmosis_and_Behaviour/toxoplasmosis_and_behaviour.html
“Animal studies have shown that long standing toxoplasma infection is associated with altered behaviour including increased movement in mice and diminished fear of novel scent, sound or sight in rats.(1) This altered behaviour may lead to enhanced feline predation, completing the life cycle of Toxoplasma gondii.
A series of studies of human personality found an association between males with long standing toxoplasma infection and less desirable behavioural patterns such as rule breaking, suspicious nature, jealousy, being dogmatic and suffering from feelings of guilt. Infected females were more likely to feel adequate and to be self- sufficient compared to uninfected controls. The degree of personality shift increased with the duration of toxoplasma infection suggesting infection influences personality and not vice-versa.”
http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/the_culture-shaping_parasite/
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@ Ovid
This article is kind of cute: http://its-not-all-gravy.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-men-like-dogs-and-women-like-cats.html
Haha. Cats are pretty alpha and aloof, which is why we women fall all over them.
I like dogs, though, as well as horses, panda bears, toucans, cephalopods, owls, hedgehogs, snakes, wolves, tigers, trilobites…dinosaurs, and all forms of marine life. Hah. I have a dog and a cat, and I think some of ya’ll might underestimate the VAST responsibility of a dog VS a cat.
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@ Firepower
Ah, thanks, now I understand!
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A properly trained cat will run from the room as soon as you enter the room.
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balls:
Thank you for the unintentional satire. This is why I peruse the comments.
I have had women with your beliefs. They could not kick their boyfriends, who obeyed such rules to the letter no doubt, to the curb faster once they had the slightest taste of an assertive man. You too may discover the disconnect between what you theorize you want and what you actually want. The chances of this discovery are directly related to how physically attractive you are and what city you live in.
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“Could someone kindly explain to me females’ fascination with cats? I just dont get it.”
Search for “toxoplasma behaviour”
“# Toxoplasma gondii parasites encyst in the tissues of warm-blooded hosts. (Read about Toxoplasma gondii in humans ). One of the places they tend to encyst is in the amygdala of the brain, the part that controls emotions—responses to social situations, sexual responses, aggression, fear, anxiety etc.
# During the 1980s and 1990s a number of scientists reported that T. gondii changed the behavior of mice and rats. Infected mice have increased activity levels and show increased aggression, and rats show a marked decrease in their natural fear of cat odors (Holliman, Lafferty)—changes that tend to make these rodents more likely to be eaten by a cat (Read about T. gondii in Cats).
# Rodents infected with T. gondii have increased dopamine levels, a neurotransmitter that is associated with novelty-seeking and neurotic behavior (Lafferty).
# Intriguing research on infected humans, published since the late 1990s, suggests that chronic infection causes subtle behavior changes in people too. Reaction time is affected, with possible implications for automobile accidents and other mishaps. Women seem to become more intelligent, outgoing, conscientious, sexually promiscuous, and kind; changes in men seem to cause opposite trends. All humans tend to be more prone to feelings of guilt “
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Regarding poster “Balls”: Almost certainly a dog.
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yer welcome: it can be hard, especially for an NYU grad.
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maurice
still a little grossed out by all the unnecessary poop and TP references, but I guess that *is* part of relationship management. Wouldn’t exactly call it a pretty lie, though.
A good rule of thumb for a woman ti follow if she’s sick to death of pump and dumps is to never have sex with a man you’re uncomfortable taking a crap or passing gas around. At that point you’d probably be more than a piece of ass…maybe.
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I much prefer splattering it all over her face.So much more visually stimulating.Are facials a good option for swallowing,or is the swallow an absolute necessity?
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And thanks doug and baduin.
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Good lord that was repulsive sara
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Ovid –
What if its a facial FOLLOWED by swallowing? Ah, memories…
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Gunslinger
Good lord that was repulsive sara
Looks like we won’t be having sex anytime soon, hon.
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nice, good stuff as always!
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oh yeah, you forgot…
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and Sarah, I would SO boston-steamer your ass
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Make sure she has a thick, rich, luxuriant bush, overflowing with an unlimited panoply of magnificent aromas and flavors.
Peter
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@ flashman.
We’re all human. I touch on some generalities here and I realize my sense of humor is a little harsh, and may come off as a bit of a ball-buster or a cunt punter, but I think you’re misinterpreting some pretty simple ideals.
Equality isn’t a very difficult concept, especially if you allow yourself to be open to new things, and if you don’t let your past experiences get the best of you. Human beings are fragile, despite how much we might insist we’re not. Two people may not be entirely equal all the time, let’s face it, that’s just not possible. What works is the duality of a person to be both “vulnerable” and powerful when necessary. Confidence is necessary, but not domination. Girls you dated in the past might have had too many issues with confidence to stand up to their ideals. Being dominated is easy if you don’t want to think or worry. Women who need to be dominated really aren’t worth my time either
I get the factor of desperation too. I am currently living in a pretty rural area, so there isn’t much available in the sense of datable men or women. I’ve been with my SO for about 4 years now, and we pretty much hold our standard of independence. Finding a person just takes a little more patience and effort 🙂
Sorry if I’ve brought up some unpleasant memories for you. I understand that you are fragile too.
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Girls don’t poop. I’ve never seen evidence to the contrary.
2 Girls 1 Cup
Peter
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Sara–
Stop that. Don’t be winkin’ over in this direction.
I’m all dibsed out.
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Also, I’m slightly tickled that some of you are trying to figure out who I am. Oooh, I’m mysterious!
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I think a link should be provided to 2g1c…
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Is there no refuge from liberal nonsense? See here.
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PA–
Ah, love.
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great article as usual roissy, i dont really get the ditch her for 15 minutes one though, wont she get pissed if she finds you sitting somewhere randomly talking to some old guy?
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Roissy,
WRITE MORE OF THESE. They are pure gold.
Thanks.
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great article as usual roissy, i dont really get the ditch her for 15 minutes one though, wont she get pissed if she finds you sitting somewhere randomly talking to some old guy?
thats sort of the whole point; you purposely leave her so that she feels the need to “chase” you. it requires a little more tact than one might think (or maybe not)…
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Peter
Make sure she has a thick, rich, luxuriant bush, overflowing with an unlimited panoply of magnificent aromas and flavors.
Okay, here’s a poll. Do guys like perfume? If so, which ones, or is a woman’s naturally randy odor more of a turn on?
Kick a bitch
Boston steamer and you call ME gross. Look in the mirror, luv.
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@sara – point taken, but I wasn’t really commenting about poop/gas in a relationship – only on their appearance in Roissy’s blog post, which I maintain is either grossly substandard for him or a gag post. Clearly in a relationship you have to deal with your partner as a human being, farts and all – but if that’s your standard even for one-night stands then you’re going to unpleseasantly surprise a lot of men with the usual “sugar and spice” expectations. We are used to women putting up false appearances..
ALso, I’m kinda with Peter, believe it or not, on the GNP thing – although of course several orders of magnitude less obsessively. The bald eagle gives me the creeps, like I’m with a 12-year-old, and the landing strip at this point is like a centerfold cliche, along with the big fake boos and tramp stamp. Back to the’70s, folks! Back to nature! Also, I like a littel natural scent but not overpowering. Better than perfume, of course. Perfume is artifice and inferior to natural pheromones …
@balls – we have antennae for female posters and generally pay much more attention to them than we should. Not unexpectedly in a forum like this. I am reasonably sure you’re a new voice and not one of the regulars. Do you really like menstrual sex, though? Or was that part of your satire of the post? Most women I have been with are so embarrassed by it that they will avoid sex at that time rather than seek it out.
Re the face-shot references going on: Did anyone see the recent documentary about “Deep Throat” ? The funniest scene in that for me was when an aged Helen Gurley Brown, godmother of the contemporary Cosmo Girl, talked about her pleasure in smearing semen on her face and skin. “It’s plasma, it’s babies” — talk about lmao. Was she having her own private bukkake parties in her Manhattan apartment in the 60s? Much like Clare Booth Luce was dropping acid at around the same time?
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russell rodriguez
“great article as usual roissy, i dont really get the ditch her for 15 minutes one though, wont she get pissed if she finds you sitting somewhere randomly talking to some old guy?”
The main thing is to keep her off balance.
When girls get comfortable, the hellishness begins.
I would do the same move except instead of “bartender/friend/lonely old guy” I would talk to Girl Bartender/Model Girl/Old School Biz cat.
– MPM
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After she begins to habitually call you “trouble”, tell her in public that each time she does it makes you a little hard.
Then when she expresses embarrassment because everyone’s been listening in, tell her that you’re *chasened* (sort of).
Then when she resumes calling you “trouble” in public after a decent interval, enjoy your shared “secret” subtext.
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@maurice
Do you think I predicted the reaction? Am I playing up the feminism to get a rise out of ya’ll? Lurker? Many time anonymous poster? Tremendous faggot? Bull dyke? Metrosexual? San Franciscan? Troll?
I’ll leave it up to you.
Period sex is the shiz, though. Blood is kinky.
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Cats are hateful little creatures. Dogs aren’t a whole lot better.
Found the family dog last week in the front yard, eating a week-old dirty diaper out of the dumpster. ugh.
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maurice —
That’s exactly why it’s such a powerful head trip to take her there.
You have to get into it though. balls is right about celebrating the blood aspect. That’s the whole point in fact.
However it’s a journey I see no need to go on all the time.
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Or your cool enough that you can drop a bitch like a bad habbit and just flip the switch to no dice when she fails a test. Even though yea she might be cute there might be competition but you know there is only one you to go around but billions of woman. You also know the chick missed her chance at happiness. Plus you already got what you need in this life just looking for a couple more good slices of cake. It’s life and this ain’t a beta of the month rerun.
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Roissy…could you do the same article, but for women?
I’m dying to read it. No bullshit.
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Balls is either a pure XX female or some kind of severely feminized semi-male; possibly due to the influence of prolonged exposure of the fetus to industrial waste products.
An undamaged male would see thru her/its crap instantly. Lots of women have issues with “body image?” What do you expect in the midst of an obesity epidemic? Most modern women would have to be completely delusional not be a little concerned about the extra 30lbs of lard they put between themselves and a guy.
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Interestingly, Roissy’s home page is now getting a seriously high google page rank, according to my google toolbar running in firefox.
That’s fairly new. Must be lots more blogs now linking to him.
He’s had a very large readership for a long time, but apparently not so many wishing (daring) to link to him. Until recently.
More than a thousand comments on yesterday’s post on cuckolding and child support! Has anyone seen that EVER anywhere else on a blog with new posts every weekday? How about half that many or even 1/4 (250)? Ever, anywhere else?
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Course once you commit for life to one for real. There is no leave or over or end of relationship. There is only the end. Makes the relationship much easier. Makes trust easier.
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You put the relationship above money, empire, world, people, yourself, her, posessions, contracts, jealousy, envy, family, kids, dogs, cats, farm animals, social mores, bullshit, and any other thing you can think of.
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Make sure she has a thick, rich, luxuriant bush, overflowing with an unlimited panoply of magnificent aromas and flavors
It would be hell on Earth to look at my girl naked an see Ayatollah Khomeini’s face every single time between her legs
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— never have sex with a man you’re uncomfortable taking a crap or passing gas around.
If a “girl” EVER farted or shat in my presence, I’d leave her immediately. Why? Because I’d realize that I’ve been dating a tranny. Cue the theme to “the crying game.” Real girls don’t poop.
— 2 Girls 1 Cup
A hoax. A fabrication. Kind of like when they filmed the “lunar landing” in Arizona.
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@Rum.
You are likely very frustrated sexually and hide a multitude of insecurities beneath shoddy machismo. You were probably exposed to alcohol poisoning in the womb.
Anyone with common sense can see through your crap.
See what I did thar?
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Thats because roissy deserves to be a millionaire for being the shit I will donate a 1000 just need 999 more.
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balls aka gay man posing as a feminist:
Here’s my own list:
Cum in her mouth, let her spit it back into yours. Hot.
you gays are so crazy!
Let her wipe your cum off on you. Also hot.
fag fingerpainting?
If you stick it in her pooper, she’s entitled to stick something in yours. DOUBLE HOT
as an expert on pooper intrusion i’m sure you would know.
Never be late unless there’s a valid reason. Time-wasters get put out to the pasture.
been stood up one too many times? tears, meet david alexander’s shoulder.
Never get a dog. Dogs command a lot more attention than cats, which are pretty independent animals. Dogs are more territorial.
tell us about gerbils. i hear you keep a zoo of them around for those lonely friday evenings.
Everybody poops, everybody pees. Don’t be a squeamish fuck about it.
everybody santorums. wink wink, balls!
Don’t be a phony. Only compliment something if its necessary or you genuinely like something. Frequent complimenting makes you sound like you’re digging for favors.
i like your swish.
Learn to cook, and cook meals together. That shit is rewarding.
it’s always about shit with you rump roasters.
Respect her personal space.
between the buttock cheeks?
Have sex with her on her period. Period sex is awesome and makes a girl feel much better if she’s up to it. Its also a nice way to let a girl know you aren’t disgusted by her periods. A lot of ladies feel gross when they menstruate, but it also makes em feel incredibly horny.
do prostate rubs make you feel incredibly horny?
Girls are obsessed with body image enough as it is.
all that shopping for clothes with your judgmental eye on them, no wonder!
A sure fire way to drive a chick away is to insinuate that she needs to change.
“darling, you look great with those manboobs. don’t ever change.”
If you can’t stand her because she’s fat, gtfo.
i knew you were the anally assault ’em and leave ’em type.
You’re shallow and she’s way better off without that shit.
shit again! such peculiar fascination with the goings-on of the rectum.
Clean up after yourself. Women work, they don’t have time for your mess.
are you the pitcher or the catcher? this info will help in assigning your domestic role.
Hiding your porn is dumb. Mature women understand that guys have alone-time needs, as do they.
mature women love gay men. pseudo-manly attention is better than no male attention.
So unless you’re into bestiality porn or child porn (and if so kill yourself immediately) there shouldn’t be too much of a problem with the right girl.
what about underage girls with adult curves and vaginas? oops, i said vaginas. did you cringe with disgust?
Don’t treat her like a kid.
have you stopped molesting altar boys yet?
She’s your equal, you should be able to share responsibilities like normal adults.
extracting gerbils is a cooperative effort.
Do you think I predicted the reaction? Am I playing up the feminism to get a rise out of ya’ll? Lurker? Many time anonymous poster? Tremendous faggot? Bull dyke? Metrosexual? San Franciscan? Troll?
who gives a fuck. you write like a gay man posing as a feminist. that’s all that matters. and you’re boring.
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doug1
Trying out a new look?
Do the chicks dig the blue over the green?
😉
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Haha, you’re such a homophobe Roissy.
And you know what they say about homophobes? Secretly craving the cock!
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— Haha, you’re such a homophobe Roissy.
1992 is long gone. Think of a new taunt.
— And you know what they say about homophobes? Secretly craving the cock!
1992 is long gone. Think of a new lie.
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For someone who likes anal intercourse so much, Roissy puts a lot of emphasis on avoiding any sights or sounds that indicate a girl needs to crap.
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balls aka gay man impersonating back issues of cosmo:
Haha, you’re such a homophobe Roissy.
and now this is where you begin dancing to my tune, balls.
welcome back my friend
to the hell that never ends
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@pa
if the behavior of republican senators and governors indicates anything, this little insult still applies. The tradition is alive and kickin’
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Welcome to the internet. I am always correct.
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RE: Cats
I have a cat. I adopted his stray ass after he came up purring and trying to rub my legs as I walked to my car enough times. Gets me major points when I tell female guests that.
Dogs are cool too, especially puppies, but require more maintenance. They need to be let out/walked, what every 5-8 hours? My cat’s got his litter box, which I have to scoop every 3-4 days. The convenience of owning a cat vs owning a dog makes the decision easy for me.
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Will someone decode this reference to 1992 for me?
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Get some geese, chickens, and cows at least you can eat them. Plus it is kind of fun to watch the geese attack people that come into your yard lol
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1992 was in my recollection the apex of the early-90s explosion of political correctness. The gay stuff was a big part of it, like when presidential candidate Bill Clinton said on MTV that he’ll let gays serve in the military.
Gay propaganda was at its shrillest during that period, and being how new the subject was, the average man was not prepared to challenge its many assertions.
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thanks g manifesto and mr. m, i’ll keep what roissy and you guys said in mind when i go out with girl, jeez women are so very weird these days
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90s= apex of public political correctness.
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I just checked the Urban Dictionary to see what the word, “santorum” meant when used as a verb (yes, Im that behind the times),
1. santorum 4075 up, 258 down
The sometimes frothy, usually slimy, amalgam of lubricant, stray fecal matter, and ejaculate that leaks out of the receiving partner’s anus after a session of anal intercourse. Named, by popular demand and usage, after legislator Rick Santorum because of his homophobic political statements.
“That move was about as slick as santorum!”
I thought “teabagging” was raunch. Damn, getting old! That is so friggin’ icky…………
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I sort of hate politically-motivated coinages, though.
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PA
1992 was pretty much the apex, wasn’t it?
McKinnon / Dworking anti sex feminism was still more or less ascendant, though the younger hotties were ignoring it, but not yet really in rebellion.
Sexual harassment law just getting going, in the aftermath of Anita Hill.
Most momentously of all, feminist “reform” of divorce laws under the banner and rallying cry of “dead beat dads” was in “full flower” all across the land.
Male push back hadn’t yet surfaced, though there was grumbling about the anti sex turn of older aging boomer feminist (hags).
It was about when I started becoming anti feminist, though at the time I said / thought I was only anti the rad stuff. (In some ways that’s still how I feel, though by rad i basically mean everything new from about 1980 on.
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This Balls person is an irritant. It always amazes me you don’t attract more irritants given the sensitivity of the subject matter. Here’s one at least. By the way, casual cursing is pathetic.
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I cosign with Gunny about the hilarity of When Geese Attack. Uh, except when it’s MY ass they’re after.
Geese are one of those birds you can’t wait to kill.
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Sara,
I’ve found Coco Chanel perfume to smell very nice on a Woman; I’m also somewhat partial to Estee’ Lauder, perhaps as a holdover of being hugged by so many Black Church Ladies when I was much younger. Such Women love their Lauder-and very fashionable hats.
As for the “GNP” I prefer a gal Au Natural. Going bald creeps me out, too, and brings imagery of a much less than legal age girl. Guaranteed Gun Killer.
Having said that, a Woman should take care to properly maintain herself down there, which includes among other things, shampooing her bush regularly, twice a day I would recommend. This will reduce that “overpowering” aroma. All Women have a natural scent and can be quite erotic, but it, like perfume, should be “light”, not like underarm funk in the middle of July. Or worse, like the bucket of crabs I smelled on my block when I got back home yesterday. The entire block smelled like one big smelly pussy. Not enticing.
And why the O does NOT partake of crabs.
O
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ok, I think I get the drift, but what is the actual definition of “GNP?”
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Gunny; OMW
Nothing like roasting a suckling pig on a spit, over a large charcoal fire in your Puerto Rican girlfriend’s uncle’s back yard, down on the island in May.
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russel,
i would warn you that tact has a great deal to do with it, so as to avoid the fight/anger you are wary of.
recently, i flirted with a couple of girls at a club while under the watchful eye of my sig other. granted, i did nothing wrong but i knew she was feeling uncomfortable. she asked me “if i wanted to have a smoke,” which she meant as “could i get your attention once again, instead of these 2 whores?”. unfortunately i did not want a smoke, because i was feeling queezy from too much drink/smoke already. long drawn out fight ensued. so, its a good idea to gauge how much jealousy can be brought out (in the gf) before things get out of hand.
note – i definitely went over 15 minutes.
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Roissy; PA; Balls
Actually though, of all the flavors and arms of leftist PC, I think gay men are the least problematic. I mostly don’t care, and sometimes like their environments and output.
Gay neighborhoods and venues are usually good and interesting places.
My next door (half floor each) loft neighbors are a long time gay couple. One of them used to work for a top model agency. Top. He/they’ve been having models over from time to time forever. We’re friends. Fringe benefits.
Actually, gays have been nothing but good in my life. Not very important in it, mind, but in no way negative and sometimes good.
Feminist lesbians though (is there another kind) not so much. They rather than gay men are the enemy of straight men. Those two groups actually rarely get along. It’s strictly a political and face thing mostly at colleges and not thereafter in fact.
Lipstick bi-sexual girls are another and sometimes delightful matter.
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Check out Roosh trying to hide the fact that nobody comments on his increasingly lame blog.
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Yea I am def ready to eat.
OMW you get any farm stuff together yet. Bring you and the hubby closer. Train the geese to watch the kids. He He He
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Oh, and if you’re a macho kind of straight man who’s not uncomfortable around gays from time to time, and even has some gay friends who vouch for you, you will get all kinds of cool cat cred, believe me.
It’s quite gold in fact.
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Nah, still just chickens and produce.
We don’t even know if we’re going to be here next year.
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gunny-
Where’s my invite to that cattle herd slaughter and roast home coming party you’re stagin?
My mouth is already watering.
I’ll take care of roasting the sucklin’ pigs for you. Been trained up on that one, I have.
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russell rodriguez
“thanks g manifesto and mr. m, i’ll keep what roissy and you guys said in mind when i go out with girl, jeez women are so very weird these days”
Yep, super weird. And getting worse with each passing moment.
American girls are not an option as far as dating material anymore.
American girls as Swooping Material?
Sure. Every day.
– MPM
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lol 97 percent muslim dude don’t do pigs
You’d prob get killed by my wife for hitting on her he he he
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doug1
“Lipstick bi-sexual girls are another and sometimes delightful matter.”
True.
But aren’t all girls “Lipstick bi-sexual girls” these days?
– MPM
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“Balls” might well be that TokyoJesusFisting person that blighted this space a while ago. She/It has the same idea-free taunting method of discourse.
The give away was, as I pointed out, the effort made by this deeply un-natural, lost-in-the-middle person to encourage guys to express a desire for fat chicks (or whatever else could make them have (body image issues).
Right there, so busted.
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Thailand thing with the blog I think would be cool though.
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gunny
Oh. Um. Right.
Naaah. Gunny. I don’t go that way. You’d have invited me. End of story.
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@newbie: GNP = glorious natural pelt. One of the regulars – you’ll find out which soon enough – is a one-note poster on that subject.
@doug – agreed on the gay thing. been around ’em my whole adult life, more or less, and never had a problem. good fashion advice too.
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“Girls experience them as miniature alphas that aren’t threatening.”
What is this shit about cats being alphas or anything? They’re just amusing little pet animals. My parents have a cat and if I had to describe her with just one word it would be ‘comical’. There is absolutely nothing “sexy” or “alpha” or anything about those creatures.
I just can’t see at all why domestic cats are the symbol of feminine sexiness for so many people. And I don’t get why cats are described as “dominant” by some people. Cats are quite uninterested in any kind of dominance games. Like any domestic pets they depend on their owner for food, shelter, care, and survival. Their position is that of utter vulnerability.
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Haha, I’m just about every troll, really.
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As I’ve made the point before, “homophobia” or dislike of gays seemingly makes no sense … at first.
More gay men = less competition for women. Particularly among men who are fit, fashionable, and generally highly verbal. Most people and particularly men are quite good at figuring out short term advantages so therefore the advantages of more gay men (less competition for women) must be outweighed by the disadvantages.
Which mostly amount to women wanting to push non-Alpha men into the “gay” box and gays happy collaborating in that role.
Most straight men DO dislike gay men. For obvious reasons: gay men and their acceptance into social life threatens most straight men’s access to women. Period. By women putting all non-Dominant/Alpha men into the “gay” category and gays pushing women into promiscuity with socially dominant Alpha men (the gay male lifestyle).
Add to that acceptance of gays in social life means gay men have PC, Multicultural, and Affirmative Action advantages over straight White men in hiring, firing, promotion, opportunities, and so on beyond sex and it’s pretty easy to see why most Straight men actively dislike gay men.
As a means of social control, calling a Straight Man a “homophobe” is practically useless, since what, the women who are not sleeping with him will continue to refuse to sleep with him? Particularly in a downward economy, the “don’t rock the boat” social pressures just don’t work anymore, and only create political and social retaliation.
Most women dislike Carrie Prejean, most men like her. What gay men have to say has little to do with it regarding straight men. And most straight men know that acting like an A-hole (example, Motorcyle builder Jessie James) is a better strategy than playing Mr. PC.
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Cats ain’t nothing but frustrated tigers. A large bird such as an owl or a stork can kill and eat one.
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“Found the family dog last week in the front yard, eating a week-old dirty diaper out of the dumpster. ugh.”
This sort of thing is exactly why I don’t like dogs that much. They will enthusiastically jump into all manner of disgusting shit if they get a chance. They salivate all the time and make noise. If you don’t train them adequately, they will raise hell.
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Paraphrasing Churchill: a cat will look down on you. A dog will look up to you. A pig will look at you as an equal.
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I once ran over a black cat at night, yet the fucker still managed to crawl away when I looked in my rearview mirror.
They are demons. but all that cat noise aside…
I had a doberman, and they are by far the best dogs.
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Most straight men DO dislike gay men.
I like gay men just fine, from what social contact I have had with them. They are for the most part very personable. In mixed social situations they are a blast.
But sustained one-on-one conversations with them make me very uncomfortable.
They don’t look at me like other dudes do. They stare into my eyes just a bit too strongly or coyly, smile too much, sit too still.
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Best dogs: Great Danes. After them, German Shepherds.
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Markku–
Say out loud what you quoted from me three times and listen to the words.
I said girls EXPERIENCE them as alpha, not that they are alpha, or that girls aren’t silly little fools for experiencing them that way.
Certainly we men aren’t impressed by cats. Or only the wusses amongst us are. Most men who say they like them are really sucking up to some woman or women in general. Wusses.
I especially didn’t say that this female delusion doesn’t tend to be irritating to men, especially men with some stones and macho. The little history about a past live in gf I relayed to Bhetti (who’s gone awol) and anyone else reading, made that clear enough, for those with brains.
What girls experience about cats that’s alpha is their independence and aloofness, and that while cats enjoy and indeed expect (and get) affection from girls, they absolutely can never be bought or pinned down because of it. It’s never enough for that.
You could learn a lot from studying cats, cat.
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“ok, I think I get the drift, but what is the actual definition of “GNP?””
Grand New Party.
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PA
Great danes are too expensive to maintain (talk about a meat bill) and problematic around little kids.
My recommendation to you and your lovely enormous bellied wife in this 9th plus month is a (neutered) female german shepard. That’s what I and my brothers grew up with. Well, my parents went through a couple of other breeds first, including a slobbering bulldog. That totally loyal, smart, wonderful german shepard was the keeper.
I want to say her name but won’t. Not a single member of my family didn’t cry when we finally had to put her down. The decision was a family crisis.
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This is a positive post — full of gems.
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I have no problem with gays as long as they do not pretend to be straight and marry/ruin innocent straight people.
Australian Shepherds are awfully good dogs, especially with some Alaskan Malamute in the mix. They will howl in unison like their wild cousins and never bark for attention after they are grown. And they are, of course, utterly fearless.
Ending the life of a cat has the same significance as turning off a light-bulb.
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Balls is a cunt and a feminazi. She deserves to be beaten and put into her place just like any bitch.
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Doug
That’s pretty good.
A reason why a guy with options, or better yet other girls he’s seeing, can come across as alpha.
Dating inferior girls who are way into you also brings out the alpha traits, as in order to get the best out of them you have to learn to manage them. Push them away when they get too clingy, order them around in order to get some real value out of the relationship. Strangely, the less you care, and more you insult and let them know their true place, the more they value you. Many experiences like this train a man to manage women, not merely be in an equal partnership. Equality is such a stupid concept – why we bought into it says a lot to the power of cultural conditioning.
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Obsidian —
Poor Obsidian.
Chesapeake bay crabs particularly in their soft shell phase, round about now or a bit earlier, with butter, garlic and a light sprinkling of Old Bay seasoning, are one of god’s signal gift to mankind.
Oh yeah.
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I’m not feeling this whole Gay trend thing at all-don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to see them be mistreated etc. But this notion that I must celebrate them and, to add insult to injury, that they somehow have some kind of linkage to me as a Black Man (Civil Rights Movement) is something that I personally find insulting and disgusting.
And I’m not alone-African Americans consistently poll *against* stuff like Gay Marriage, etc. To wit: Cali’s Prop 8.
Dog of choice: Pitbull.
O
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Which mostly amount to women wanting to push non-Alpha men into the “gay” box and gays happy collaborating in that role.
Most straight men DO dislike gay men. For obvious reasons: gay men and their acceptance into social life threatens most straight men’s access to women. Period. By women putting all non-Dominant/Alpha men into the “gay” category and gays pushing women into promiscuity with socially dominant Alpha men (the gay male lifestyle).
Whiskey —
Do you think that most women would prefer if most non-alpha men were gay — that way they would be having sex with each other and not pestering women with their largely unwanted sexual attention? So perhaps the feminization of american men, the encouragement for them to accept gay men, and the puzzlement about most straight men’s lack of interest in sex with other men (to the contrast of what we see in women) are all a part of an effort to redirect the sexuality of these men towards other men and away from women?
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Pitbulls are … for people who can control their power and satisfy their need to work. Most people can’t.
Get a dog from a pound, a mixed breed mutt. They’ll live longer and be healthier. The most awful things about dogs and cats is how short their lives are.
Both make good pets, they are different, but both love or can love their owners if they’re treated right. Some cat breeds can even walk on a leash and like water. Some will even push open the door if not locked and jump in the shower with you.
The purring of a cat on one’s lap as it’s being scratched, along with the snoring of a dog sleeping next to you, contentedly, is one of life’s great pleasures.
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Obsidian–
I think gay marriage is a ridiculous issue — especially as relates to gay men. I really don’t think there are very many gay men that want to get married. Instead it’s for them just something to push for and to see how much support and how little push back from straight communities they can get. I.e., they can’t think of anything else to bitch about.
It’s much more important for lesbian women however, all of whom are radical feminists.
Anything feminist full on lesbians are for, I’m reflexively against.
So mostly that’s why I’m against it. Because lesbians want it, and lesbians should all be shot except I don’t think I can get away with that.
From there I manufacture reasons to oppose it. Such as polygamy’s next. That one tends to work well.
It’s one of the very few issues I approach in this way.
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And yeah, women like cats. But why would any guy CARE what women think? If you like cats, get one. As long as you can take care of it. It will give you love and affection all it’s life if you care for it properly. If you don’t want one, don’t get one.
What is sad to me is how many people substitute the love and affection of pets (properly the domain of a family pet) for that of a lasting relationship with a person. Women do it famously with cats when they get older …
But men do it with dogs as well.
It does not speak to our system of matching people up that Roissy has to post “rules” for relationships (most should already know this) and many on both male and female lines use pets for love and affection, instead of the usual way of having a pet to simply amplify that love and affection.
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@ Doug & Obs – I agree about the crabs. They don’t really smell like vadge, espcially when slathered in Old Bay.
@PA: well, cats *are* little tigers, basically. They were domesticated from lions by the ancient Egyptians – much as domestic dogs were domesticated from wolves. And they retain some of their forebears’ instincts. Ever notice how dogs’ behavior changes markedly when they are in packs? *Much* more aggressive. Creepy when you think about it – we have little carnivores haging around our houses, whose ancient souls would kill us in a heartbeat for food …
Looks like Roissy chased away Chic for a while with the condom comment …
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xsplat —
You put it very baldly, but that way does lead to less confusion.
It’s generally not the way to sell to American girls, but it’s a very good way for betas to move themselves up into alpha, and to have in mind, I agree.
I talk about partnerships where one person is leading, even though both are contributing and sometimes any good leading man who’s chosen a woman wisely will realize she’s got the better idea or ideas.
That sells much better to American women. It also avoids having to always outshine in everything. That simply isn’t necessary.
Take David Alexander. It’s obvious to me he ought to go after older sexy black girls, the types that were brought up conservatively with a father in the house and with a respect for stability as opposed to a hunger for gangsters, say around 30, to start with. They would be far easier for him to get than the big titted fancy nails white girls he fetishizes from porn.
Once he gets some girl attracting and managing experience under his belt there, he can branch out elsewhere. In the process his tastes might change as well.
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Nova:
Do you think that most women would prefer if most non-alpha men were gay — that way they would be having sex with each other and not pestering women with their largely unwanted sexual attention? So perhaps the feminization of american men, the encouragement for them to accept gay men, and the puzzlement about most straight men’s lack of interest in sex with other men (to the contrast of what we see in women) are all a part of an effort to redirect the sexuality of these men towards other men and away from women?
I’m not Whiskey, but I’m coming around to this view. The effect would be most pronounced in the coastal cities though.
Women love their girlfriends — they can chat, gossip, kvetch, etc.
Women also love their gay male friends too, because the women get to do all those girly things with (usually) attractive men who have a good sense of style.
But betas? The women can’t get away with their fabulous lifestyle choices without unwanted sexual advances from the men.
Much better to either marginalize the men in their lives…OR…convince them that it’s cool to be “metro” and “hipsterish” and “progressive”. If they can make the betas feel guilty for their natural desires, they can effectively neuter them into domestic housepets who can then join the ranks of the girlfriends and gays they like to party non-sexually with.
I suspect this may be a part of the whole “hipster” scene — many of those hipster men are not paragons of masculinity, in fact male bisexuality runs rampant in that scene.
It could be that the Feminist Borg is slowly assimilating the “Untouchables”, i.e., betas and lesser betas, in the metropolitan centers of the coastal cities.
These betas then emerge from the transformation, a la the Pod People in The Invasion of The Body Snatchers, to mouth multicultural SWPL platitudes in the service of their alpha-seeking, feminist masters.
All the while dressing with the fashion sense of a preschooler.
*shudder*
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“More than a thousand comments on yesterday’s post on cuckolding and child support! Has anyone seen that EVER anywhere else on a blog with new posts every weekday”
Yeah, lots of blogs get the occasional 1000 comment thread. I can’t claim to be any blog expert, but roissy seems to get the longest, most frequent comments from the smallest number of posters.
A lot of big blogs have 5 or more short posts a day, which each get hundreds of comments. Atrios, Little Green Footballs, Huffington Post, Dooce, PZ Myers, Daily Kos, Fark, Slashdot.
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I’m not Whiskey, but I’m coming around to this view. The effect would be most pronounced in the coastal cities though.
Whiskey’s polite yet earnest, unadorned yet grandly sweeping comments do have their effect, don’t they?
Much better to either marginalize the men in their lives…OR…convince them that it’s cool to be “metro” and “hipsterish” and “progressive”.
Tupac’s becoming quite the writer. Body Snatchers and all. In any case, I’m so glad I didn’t fall for this. I could have. I’ve been around lots of straight progressive hipsters. Those dudes really do have an arrogance-in-castration.
So glad I’ve been in the military, been in a couple of serious fights, discovered Game, learned to “pass” in polite company, met a good woman, and kept my nutsack and my sanity in the process.
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Rain And–
Ok, thanks for the info.
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Beta maleness and feminism have little connection. Men need to understand only this- you can be a feminist anywhere except for inside the bedroom. There are plenty of men that understand this concept.
Doug, you are nuts. If lesbians are the enemies of men, then men are the enemies of morality.
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Dough
I’ve not heard you speak to that subject yet, Doug. You are against polygamy?
As a selfish and amoral man, I enjoy it. It’s not a boring life, at least.
My new love has agreed that we can take a 2nd girl into our home. And of course I still have my other serious woman, back in my 1st homestead.
A writer always writes to an audience – and this is the audience that brings out my baldness. But I do tend towards baldness. Set the frame, and all that.
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“It looks better on you, honey.” I did not get this one ?!?!?!
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PA–
I’m older, as you know.
What I’m trying to figure out is, is it REALLY as bad as Whiskey paints it, and now Tupac (though himself it seems clear haveing made it into alpha), and many here, are painting it.
I don’t mean for the loser lowest 20 percentile men in attractiveness to women, with respect to whom to be honest I really don’t care if they reproduce or not, but men at say the 50th percentile in attractiveness, but 20th percentile in how good their job is. E.g. a typical engineer.
Of course they aren’t scoring the true hotties, or bouncing from casual sex pickup to pickup.
But can they really not get attractive girls, 7’s, that will love them and be loyal to them these days?
That would be alarming.
It’s not really what i see. But I’m not side by side with 20 something guys in the trenches either.
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Hmmm. That’s got me thinking. FeministX – ever been to Bali?
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“That’s got me thinking. FeministX – ever been to Bali?”
No.
Why do men always forget?? 80% of women might be pining for 20% of men, but 80% of men are also pining for 20% of women- the thin, pretty women under age 30.
People know they have to settle and most are capable of doing it an satiating their lust for more with romance novels or porn.
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Femx – I have no idea what you just said.
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What I’m trying to figure out is, is it REALLY as bad as Whiskey paints it
That’s a good question, and I’ve criticized Whiskey for his apocalyptic views and one-factor analysis. But there is a kernel of truth in what he says — women do Hate Hate Hate betas.
But my contention is and has been that in a traditional, pre-feminist society, most men are alpha-enough for most women.
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Oh – I get it femx. You advocate that people be realistic in their lust persuits.
Fuck that. I’m short and ugly and balding, and living the life of a man who isn’t.
Fuck settling. Re-inventing works better.
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“Femx – I have no idea what you just said.”
Was responding to different things.
“But my contention is and has been that in a traditional, pre-feminist society, most men are alpha-enough for most women.”
They weren’t. Women just had no options. Dominance created by a cultural context is nowhere close to as good as dominance created by the force of an individual.
If a woman has to respect and obey some beta douche as head of the household just because she has no economic opportunities, it just sucks. It’s not sexy. No comparison to respecting a real alpha who’s alphatude does not need artificial reinforcement by unfair cultural expectations.
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femx
Yup. And the proof is, in pre-feminist society, many women wore the pants in the house. Even I-Love-Lucy celebrated a never ending stream of shit testing. Ricky Ricardo seemed alpha enough, but was he? Not enough for Lucy.
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feministx
Of course.
But the culture, and especially other cultures (more macho ones) used to help men discover and develop that playful and confident dominance, and encourage women to look for it, know they craved it instead of believing they have to fight it tooth and nail, and even to hint and help a bit in bringing it out in otherwise attractive men.
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baduin: It’s true toxoplasma infection is silent. However: Toxoplasma has an effect on fetuses/pregnancy. An infected female would invariably be effectively infertile. You need to ingest the faeces to be infected, which you won’t do if you’re clean (thus more male cat owners infected). I have no figures for this, you can go research it if you want. It may have some effect on people’s behaviour — on the condition that they are infected, which most cat owners will not be (do all cats carry Toxoplasma, even?) — but this really isn’t to the extent of mind control.
doug: Ah, you sacrificed some of the fun out of calling you that now with voicing the unspoken. I was going to enjoy the subtext too. Re Gay guys: you’re such a sneaky fellow. Re Pigs: Like Gunny said, THE HORROR! Swine flu has deleted any tolerance for the piggies in the Islamic world, bless them. Me + uni. social (or medschool) life =/= AWOL.
The crabs you speak of? That’s the kind of crab I do want.
Cats: Expanding on doug a little: they’re furry huggable stroke-able goodness, relatively low maintenance/low energy and move uniquely in the low energy unhurried state. The lolcat phenomenon doesn’t seem to be a female movement (though people speaking in lolspeak is bad enough, it’s definitely worse if you’re a man). See: Salem from Sabrina the Teenage Witch as one of the best loved cats.
Feminist: I wouldn’t say romance novels satiate any lusts or other gooey wants. Fuel for it, if anything.
They’re not equal to the functions of male porn, as a group. Erotica or female-targeted porn, perhaps, and only if she has the capability to simulate the satisfaction males get when doing it solo.
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Doug:
But can they really not get attractive girls, 7’s, that will love them and be loyal to them these days?
Doug, this all speculation on my part, so take that with a grain of salt, but there is a definite *trend*.
As for your question, I would say that the affluence and wealth for women concentrated in the big cities, combined with the need for men to assimilate with the prevailing PC orthodoxy, i.e., having to “pass” as PA put it, has shifted things for traditional-minded males.
I would say the scale for sexual market value has shifted by at least one point, so the 7’s you reference in your question above have now become 6’s.
I’m sure for alphas and super-alphas, nothing much has changed for them – they will always possess enough value to get away with pretty much anything.
But a traditional-minded greater beta or lesser alpha is having to make choices about lifestyles and beliefs if they still want to get in the game. If you want to get in on the action of the 7’s and above, you generally have to “go along to get along” to move in those circles. If you stick to your principles of traditional masculinity and political conservatism, you may have to adjust your expectations downward.
I’m only speaking from experience here, so take it with a grain of salt.
I congratulate PA on having managed to find love without having to compromise. Many aren’t so lucky.
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But there is a kernel of truth in what he says — women do Hate Hate Hate betas.
I think it’s more like they hate straight betas who want to have sex with them. Gay or neutered betas who are good worker bees are fine.
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Doug
Once again well done Doug. Ya, you must be old.
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a woman has to respect and obey some beta douche as head of the household just because she has no economic opportunities, it just sucks.
There weren’t that many “beta douches” is what I’m saying. An average guy was rough and unsentimental enough to be respected as a man. And in Western societies at least, his Christianity will have tempered his rougher edges.
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doug: Above comment currently moderated. Anyway, I forgot to address your cooking question. Not really anything that would bring heaven to your tastebuds. Between the maids, my mother being militant in the kitchen, occupying the role of the klutz in the family (I will one day manage to use an oven without burning my hand. One day) and my brother being better at the kitchen and taking over, I haven’t learned much. I’ve been cooking a lot thanks to living out, now, but it’s not quality.
I was just trying to show the merits of good food to “phillistine”. It wasn’t motivated by impure thoughts like with you. Glad you enjoyed it 😉
maurice: Today on the tube, there were two couples on either side of me when I went into a crowded carriage. I had no place to escape. The horror. Hopefully not that bad.
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Xsplat–
Some of it is interest in how things were just a few decades before.
“I Love Lucy” is certainly before my time, but I’ve paid some attention to it, as iconic.
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I’m not following. What decades does your comment refer to, and how old were you then? Or is that too personal.
I Love Lucy reruns were still playing regularly in my teens. That girl was forever flippin out. Once upon a time, I’d have tried to be like Ricky – calm and patient and dominant. Not now, man, no way. I’d slap that woman down and down and down until she either left the house or shut the fuck up.
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Xsplat–
Yes, I saw the reruns too.
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My female relatives like to say that a woman who knows how to cook will always be able to get married.
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Now that I think of it… Lucille does seem to be a bit of a Doris Day. You know, lacking in any sexual chemistry with the men folk.
Maybe the theory of perhaps-bi-sexual girls needing an extra strong pimp hand is correct.
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Bhetti–
You’re sounding promising, when you stop being a kid and student, and first clawing for respect professional.
Of course as a doctor married to an investment banker, there will be a lot of restaurant meals and takeout, and maids doing simple stupid salad type meals.
Here’s a secret. A few years ago, but only then, I started to learn to do more than the simplest kinds of cooking (which I could always do) or outdoors cooking (which began with mountain climbing basics and moved to summer house grilling), and I now like doing it sometimes.
Still, there’s something primal about a woman being proud to make me something new to me and interesting. Or sharing her culture through food with me.
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Bhetti I posted a comment to you on another thread. However that thread seems to have died.
I would hate you to miss it. 🙂
Doug: You may have missed my question about the new blue look (do the chicks dig it?). 🙂
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Default User:
Ask Bhetti.
She hasn’t yet shown signs of uncontrollable lust after the change. Maybe she’s being just incredibly circumspect and self controlled?
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Why ask. Just experiment. 🙂
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“There weren’t that many “beta douches” is what I’m saying. An average guy was rough and unsentimental enough to be respected as a man. And in Western societies at least, his Christianity will have tempered his rougher edges.”
It’s a myth. My foreign fam is from the traditional world and it’s not sexy. They’re completely lazy about bothering to appeal to women. Sitting on the couch and ordering for a meal is not alpha. Well, it is- but not in an appealing way.
The sexual revolution has told us that women want a naturally dominant man. Not some guy that expects someone else to wash his underwear that has no notion of sexual finesse in bed. If men want to bed more women or more attractive women, they can learn to behave in a way that exudes sexual dominance. Before the sexual revolution, people did not believe that women wanted a sexually dominant man. They didn’t really care about people’s sexual pleasure. Everyone was kind of in the dark.
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doug:
I’m writing down the traditional recipes in case there’s no time to learn them properly/intuitively. Can at least cook some from those, especially my favourite traditionals that I want to be able to do if my mother won’t/can’t. It’s actually great thay you’re willing to try exotica, remembering the resistance I’ve encountered a lot about this.
I’m trying to avoid a scenario where I’d need hired help. My experience with them in a family dynamic is unpleasant. Still, the Arab women I know with them are absolute Nazis on their poor behinds and don’t let them get away with ‘salad; they teach them what they need to know and punish them if they don’t get it. Ah, labour’s rights, what a beautiful thing.
I love my dishes spicy but haven’t been able to experiment on my roomie, who can’t stand spice.
— Blue? I didn’t even notice.
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feministx–
Naturally dominant alpha men do not want man hating lesbians pretending to be bi to get married feminist.
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” Naturally dominant alpha men do not want man hating lesbians pretending to be bi to get married feminist.”
They learn to love it.
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Bhetti
Pssst. Neither did I.
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fem: Are you referring to the hypocritical, areligious, fat, impotent, drinking, smoking, diabetes-suffering head of the house so common in South Asian/MiddleEastern communities?
You’re exactly what I’d wish on them before they turn into this — no desire for sex [are they repressing being gay or is this actually normal in some men?] but just for kids and conformity — and you might not let them descend into such neglect. Skill.
doug: Being adventerous about food is so unusual with the ‘It’s green?! *DEAD FAINT* [the latter, as chic would say]’ attitude prevalent.
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Bhetti
Like the new look? Blue is the in color, I am told.
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doug: I did notice another brief thing, though, that I’ve told you about. Which I did find hot (maybe it was the capitals?*).
*Dear roissy, when you submit a work of yours, research if the editor you do it to will not get annoyed at an ‘ee cummings’ affectation because the probability of this is high from what I’ve heard.
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@bhetti: huh? the subway comment is in response to somthing I posted? I was only noting favorably the online chemistry btwn you and doug. btw, I met a number of Westernized Egyptian girls at a conference this week and noted some similarities between their syntax and yours. Whatever that means.
@doug, whiskey, tupac, PA, FemX: Interesting stuff, logically sound but full of a lot of generalizations. Unwanted sexual attenion from betas does not really translate into a female pro-gay-men agenda. I don’t see how that has anything to do with homosexuality or gay culture per se. But it does kind of plausibly explain the androgenous, non-threatening, anti-traditional male trend, of which hipsterism is one shoot. It’s a good analysis. But I think it’s also best to think about at a micro level – microcultures, closed-ish communities, individual groups – as opposed to society as a whole. At that smaller level, you’ll still see relative patterns of social prominence and females seeking domnant males – even if domnance is culturally defined differently. same principle, different expression. But the men always go for the hot young girls…
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femx
Lesbians don’t fuck men the same way cock loving girls do. It’s night and day. The chemistry is entirely different.
A pussy is not a pussy.
It makes no difference how hot the body and face are.
Sexual chemistry can’t be faked.
And a ball-busting attitude, like you have, does not warm a man’s heart.
I’ve had a few lesbian lovers. Two, that I remember off-hand. They both claimed to be bi. Liking sex with a man can be done by straight men in need. That doesn’t make them gay. Getting off on sexual activities with men doesn’t make a gay woman bi. You have to actually love cock, and get wet at the thought of men. It makes a difference. Not a subtle difference.
No, alphas don’t learn to love it. You know what we learn to love? Women lusting after us, and coming and coming and coming during sex. Coming when they suck our cocks. Closing their eyes and seeing our face. Lusting and loving us, uncontrollably.
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Def: Hey, if you’re the one who says it’s hot, that’s what I’m going to think and you don’t have to say a word.
maurice: syntax? Example? And, yeah, was wondering whether you were getting discomfort feeling I was getting from that situation.
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“Are you referring to the hypocritical, areligious, fat, impotent, drinking, smoking, diabetes-suffering head of the house so common in South Asian/MiddleEastern communities?”
Certainly them. Im also picky about white men. American and australian men are the most masculine and attractive. Brits are next. Central Europeans are usually less attractive because they do certain things that I see as effeminate.
“. Unwanted sexual attenion from betas does not really translate into a female pro-gay-men agenda.”
It doesn’t. Im not concerned with gay men one way or the other. Im glad they exist. They are fabulous, after all. As for beta men, I suppose it would be advantageous to me if society told them how to be sexually enticing to women. Though most would still fail. It would lessen the competition against me for alphas. Not that the competition has been tough to beat thus far.
“No, alphas don’t learn to love it. You know what we learn to love? Women lusting after us, and coming and coming and coming during sex. Coming when they suck our cocks. Closing their eyes and seeing our face. Lusting and loving us, uncontrollably.”
Grotesque. I will lust after no “us”. I lust only for the one man that will own me completely.
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If you’re married:
Every couple of months (pregnancies excepted), have her put her wedding dress back on, along with all the other white accoutrements.
Put her over your knee, so she knows whose property she is, and spank her until she can’t take it anymore. Then spank her a little more until she’s crying for mercy.
Then give her the fuck of her life.
Then lie there together, and renew your marital bond.
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Not only will this be an awesome way to strengthen your marriage, but it will also motivate her, like very little else would, to keep fitting into that dress.
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You’re still single. What have you beaten?
Unless, of course, this means that you’re the fastest spreader of them all.
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“You’re still single. What have you beaten?”
Except for one guy who got away, me being single is my idea. I’m not the one to get dumped. I’m giving myself till age 30, but I think I’ll have the ring by the time I am 28. I have only a small window of time, but I believe waiting for now and acting now will optimize my life for the rest of my days.
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femx
First thought, best thought.
Your initial gut level reaction is the beginning, middle, and end of your story. The rest was just superfluous and trite and wishful commentary.
It seems even Cinderellas can be gay. You have a pre-pubescents understanding of being owned by a man. As if you didn’t have to be able to be overwhelmed by cock lust first, in order to qualify for his interest.
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“As if you didn’t have to be able to be overwhelmed by cock lust first, in order to qualify for his interest.”
I am totally unimpressed by most men. Even Dom wannabes. They say they expect a girl to be on their knees sucking dick and they wish that women will get magically wet for such middling efforts at sexual dominance. Hey, a lot of women have standards that low. I don’t.
I am quite underwhelmed by cock lust unless the cock belongs to the kind of man that can win me over.
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It’s just rinse and repeat with you, isn’t it?
Do you now or have you ever experienced cock lust?
If no, you are irrelevent to men.
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“Keys to a Healthy Relationship”, by Roissy in DC
(87 Remix)
After you’ve shot your whey protein-boosted load across her chest, admire your handiwork for a bit, get up, grab a towel, and throw it in her face while saying “It looks better on you, babe.”
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“Honey” is beta. It just is.
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Feministx:
“Why do men always forget?? 80% of women might be pining for 20% of men, but 80% of men are also pining for 20% of women- the thin, pretty women under age 30. ”
But those 20% of sought after men will fuck probably 50% of women whereas those 20% of women will fuck probably less than or equal to 20% of men.
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@87
“Not only will this be an awesome way to strengthen your marriage, but it will also motivate her, like very little else would, to keep fitting into that dress.”
Or you could just marry some naturally fit southeast Asian with hyperthyroidism and an addiction to the gym.
@ feministx
“I lust only for the one man that will own me completely.”
*who
*Call me crazy, but I fail to see how any alpha is going to want to own you (and/or the persona you’ve created thus far), with your attitude toward men, etc. Break you, sure, but own you? What xplat said:
“As if you didn’t have to be able to be overwhelmed by cock lust first, in order to qualify for his interest.”
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Femx, you are playing dumb here. Playing very convincingly. Let’s make this as simple as possible.
No man will want to own you, unles you ALREADY LUST AFTER HIS COCK.
You have to want him BEFORE he wants you.
Otherwise, it’s just false advertising. Selling fake dreams. Messin with people for your selfish agenda.
And only a heartless ball busting bitch would do that.
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@bhetti: hard to put my finger on it. i have been reading this blog since about January and commenting only for a few weeks, and I kinda know the voices of the main regular contributors by now. What, doug’s happy flirting with you is unconfortable? Wouldn’t-a thought so …?
@xsplat: your post reminded me of the assertion that many strippers are lesbians of the man-hating variety, and go through their motions with other women in mind and in total comtempt of their male customers. I don’t see how you need the lesbian angle for strippers to soon develop that attitude, and certainly the commercial setting is mainly to blame, but I can honestly say I’ve never felt any real sexual tension or interest in that setting. (Well, I have actually a few times, but always in another country.) Not exactly on your point, but it did bring that topic to mind. Maybe it’s that going to strip clubs – men paying through the nose for ridiculous kinds of sexual attention – is inherently beta to them, so you don’t need the lesbian angle to explain the contempt.
@FemX: you rank the alphaness of men by nationality – in large groups of millions of men – and then say there’s only one you would respond to? non sequitur. Just as men would bang any number of young breauties, I’m sure you would be happy to be dominated by any number of alpha males.
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feministx
Creative writing.
Not very creative, but there’s effort.
The entire reason you’re here, is to try to forge a credible alpha lusting persona onto your entirely lesbian psyche.
Or appear to, to the men you regard as up and down the line, clueless.
Just post some pics of some nice enough and young nude body shots, not so hot face, and you’re in. You figure.
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One important key:
Punish her for all her transgressions.
Real and imaginary.
Dress her like a schoolgirl, sit her down at her desk, and have her write over and over again that she’s a naughty disobedient slutty bad girl. She’ll get wet just writing this, before her punishment even starts.
Put her over your knee and spank her until she’s crying.
Then make love.
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Fuck her anytime, all the time.
But don’t make love to her unless you’ve punished her first.
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whiskey:
“dog sleeping next to you, contentedly, is one of life’s great pleasures.”
contentedly is key. my dog licks his fucking balls every morning at about 4 a.m. i may get him fixed just so i can get some decent sleep at night.
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@ bhetti & feministx
“Are you referring to the hypocritical, areligious, fat, impotent, drinking, smoking, diabetes-suffering head of the house so common in South Asian/MiddleEastern communities?”
Certainly them.
What can y’all tell an Anglo-American male about Lebanese women/Lebanese culture?
Serious question.
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xsplat:
No man will want to own you, unles you ALREADY LUST AFTER HIS COCK.
You have to want him BEFORE he wants you.
Whoomp there it is.
Doug:
Just post some pics of some nice enough and young nude body shots, not so hot face, and you’re in. You figure.
That’s it Doug. She thinks she can appeal to an alpha by just looking pretty.
That’s kindergarden game. Only works on betas.
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“you rank the alphaness of men by nationality – in large groups of millions of men – and then say there’s only one you would respond to? non sequitur.”
It’s not a non sequitor. I am sure there are any number of men you can recognize as sexually attractive who you would not actually have sex with.
“Just as men would bang any number of young breauties, I’m sure you would be happy to be dominated by any number of alpha males.”
Maybe in theory. But I prefer to believe I am only meant for one.
“You have to want him BEFORE he wants you.”
haha. This blog wouldn’t exist if that ever happened. The alpha wins the girls. The girls just sit pretty and wait to be baited.
“The entire reason you’re here, is to try to forge a credible alpha lusting persona onto your entirely lesbian psyche.”
Why on earth would anyone believe something so absurd an unlikely when I am forthcoming about the truth, which is much more likely?
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Hey Chuck, when are you gonna do the beer chug?
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Fuck this noise. This sort of compliment is neither heartfelt nor meaningful, and, unless delivered in PRECISELY the right way, borders dangerously on gay.
Look at her
* when she stirs back to life after collapsing exhausted in your arms after sex;
* when her face is wrecked with streaks of spit, precum, and smeared lipstick from deepthroating like a good girl;
* whenever you glimpse a glint of doubt in her refreshingly vital confidence;
and say:
“Your face is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen.”
And, mean it. If you don’t, get another relationship.
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Tupac:
maybe this weekend…i’ve been swamped with finals…and i need to get a quality video camera
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feminstx:
I lust only for the one man that will own me completely.
Who in popular culture would you point to as your type of man?
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Will someone decode this reference to 1992 for me?
In 1992, David Alexander was a young nine year old boy who used to sneak up and watch TV at night. Sometimes he’d watch the news, and think that he understood the world, but nearly seventeen years later, he realizes that he understands very little and even less back then.
They learn to love it.
If he learns to love it, then he’s no longer an alpha.
I think gay men are the least problematic. I mostly don’t care, and sometimes like their environments and output.
I don’t see anything wrong with gay people, and as a beta, I don’t see how they’re a threat to me.
But aren’t all girls “Lipstick bi-sexual girls” these days?
Merely the hot ones. The non-hot, non-ugly average looking girls are still straight.
Most women dislike Carrie Prejean,
She’s free to speak her mind, but I understand why some are upset. If somebody said made similar comments about interracial marriage in a public forum like that, I’d become visibly upset and enraged as well. Mind you on the gay marriage issue, I’m not pro-gay marriage, but I’m not anti-gay marriage either. I really couldn’t be bothered if it passes since it doesn’t directly affect me, but I suspect it bothers many Americans due to our notions of what marriage should be, a function between men and women. Mind you, if we called the same rights of marriage a “gay union”, I suspect many more would feel less threatened.
What is sad to me is how many people substitute the love and affection of pets (properly the domain of a family pet) for that of a lasting relationship with a person. Women do it famously with cats when they get older …
But men do it with dogs as well.
We do that because it’s so much easier than dealing with the headaches of a relationship. We turn to porn, platonic friendships, rampant sex with alphas, and pets because we’re simply no longer willing to compromise or sacrifice. Either we want it now with no faults and no effort, or we don’t want it at all.
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feministx:
haha. This blog wouldn’t exist if that ever happened. The alpha wins the girls. The girls just sit pretty and wait to be baited.
…for the APPROACH.
Anything after that is a screening process.
You try to get him to jump through your hoops and a real alpha will either move on to the next girl, or, as I sometimes do, let the girl think she’s getting over on me long enough for me to bang her a few times, and then move on to the next girl.
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What’s wrong with body fluids, emotional rollercoasters, and excessive wanton horny whorish sluttiness?
If you fuck her right, she should occasionally bleed anyway.
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Bhetti–
Love SPICE Bhetti. Love it.
In food and in women.
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Doug
She wants an alpha who wants her for her body. She doesn’t see the irony.
Bodies are easy to aquire. Hot, young, slim bodies, are not some rare challenge. That’s the point. She wants someone who can get bodies like hers, but only offers that body.
Whatever, I’m getting bored with this. It was fun for a few minutes.
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@tupac, xsplat, doug: I know it’s fun to gang up on FemX, but you may be overreaching. I certainly am attracted to women who don’t want me first, and I guess that holds true for most people. Game, attraction, interaction, is a way to get from that first impression to the finish line.
It seems like we’re really picking on FemX’s stated sexuality and goals here, and taken her attention-whore bait. Even if her persona is constructed – so what? It’s the Internet, and noone knows if you’re a dog. We’ve seen it, we get what she’s going to say, and even when she’s wrong it’s generally worth reading. There are a lot worse and dumber comments out there. And I agree with doug that she’s mostly full of shit.
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maurice:
I certainly am attracted to women who don’t want me first, and I guess that holds true for most people.
Not me. A girl registers on my radar if she’s hot. Period. The way she then behaves determines whether I eject, consider for a fling, or more rarely, serious dating potential.
It’s true that a girl who is excessively needy is a turn off, but a girl who never registered on my radar doesn’t become attractive to me all of a sudden just because she’s coy.
I try not to let my feelings be affected by the actions of others. That way lies betaness.
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Maurice, she wants an alpha. You are not an alpha.
We suppose that if you became one, you’d not want her.
She wants the rules of attraction of betas, with the prize of the alpha.
She expects that Alpha men could possibly interested in her as wife material, based solely on her looks and intellect. And her ability to fake an orgasm.
It’s delusional, and points to a deep disrespect for manhood.
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feministxy the bastard child of our two favorite trollish posters, Darth Maul and contrarian.
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…and not only that, but on the particular portion of her looks with the shortest shelf life.
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maurice
They do if you put up pictures.
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Bhetti
You do realize how extremely self satisfied you’re making me feel in confirming my wisdom in picking you out, right?
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“You try to get him to jump through your hoops and a real alpha will either move on to the next girl, or, as I sometimes do, let the girl think she’s getting over on me long enough for me to bang her a few times, and then move on to the next girl.”
Alphas like a challenge. I am by nature, a challenge. I don’t imagine that any alpha ever imagines pining for a manhating feminist, but a few see that my psyche is more sexually satisfying.
” And I agree with doug that she’s mostly full of shit.”
No, I prefer to be honest. It’s a waste of my time to lie rather than to express my ideas.
“She wants an alpha who wants her for her body.”
The alphas that want me want me for my sexuality.
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Either (a) you don’t know what “pine” means, or (b) you actually think you could dump an alpha and have him long for your return.
(a) Learn to write.
(b) As if.
For an alpha, every now-and-then it’s cool to fuck a chick that you don’t even want to kiss.
Do these “few” tend to fuck you doggy all the time, and/or cover your face with pillows?
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@tupac: your first three sentences are what I was getting at. The rest may be true but was not my point.
@xsplat: am not remotely interested in FemX in that way. fear not. I may or may not be an alpha or a beta – I’ve posted before that I think those are constructs, abstractions, a continuum. All men have some of each depending on their own personalities. personal histories, where they’re from, context, etc. In some areas of my life I’m beta, in others alpha. You can’t really know the totality of a person from blog posting. Hence my unexpected defense of FemX, I guess.
On pickup, or more specifically “asshole game”, which is a perennial theme of this blog, I basically disagree. It may work well for attraction – depending on the woman – but is bad for relationships and life in general. Abusive, misogynistic kinds of so-called “alpha” behavior, of the type gleefully posted here, just attract women with low self esteem. I’ll get flamed for this, equating it with quasi-feminism, but it’s not. Its a choice – a worldview – that digging women means respecting them, not hating them, within the proper and traditional bounds of male-female behavior. We shouldn’t overreact to the excesses of feminism with excesses of our own.
Is that beta? Whatever. I’m older than a lot of you and I know what I know. I do learn stuff here, Roissy’s writing is great, and the regular posters are all interesting – I enjoy what most everyone writes. You will think the same about me over time.
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femx
Rinse away any arguments that affected you, and repeat what you always say.
You really are similar to contrarian.
Pointless.
Yawn.
Done.
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i>deepthroating
Deepthroating is one of those things betas just can’t do because it looks so wrong. Even in porn, I had the gagging deep throat scenes because they’re just not erotic and look so cheesy and forced.
87 comes across as somebody’s darker alpha alter ego…
Dating inferior girls who are way into you also brings out the alpha traits
In contrast, I’ve always felt that dating inferior girls is simply a reminder of your low status, and friend and family (and sometimes strangers) will point this out and remind you of this fact.
more you insult
Maybe I don’t want to insult them…
been in a couple of serious fights
Oddly, that was the topic of discussion one night with my nephew, where he noted that I was the only one of his uncles who hasn’t gotten into a fight. I never put myself into a situation where I needed to fight, so I’ve avoided that problem entirely, and I hope to continue to avoid it.
In any case, I’m so glad I didn’t fall for this.
There’s a certain degree of aspiration for the SWPL types since they’re the white people with money and influence, and quite frankly, what Oreo with French ancestry doesn’t have his moments of megalomania and dreams of being one of them. Mind you, I could never really do the hipster thing since it seems rather silly, and their clothes look awful.
As to the metrosexuals, hipsters, and progressive, one could argue that you could be a metrosexual who takes care of himself, yet still command some degree of masculinity and dominance, and the same is true for being a progressive, especially if one takes truly bold political risks for controversial ideas. I suspect we’re just merely conflating the betas who go end up chasing these trends as means of securing women.
In regards to the sexuality of these males, discussion of cultural programming reeks of a certain degree of conspiracy theory, but as with all things, if the beta males seem to be happy living asexual lives, I don’t see why not. It’s not as if it’s any better than being attached to some 5 who fakes every orgasm she’s ever had. Of course, we’re merely focusing on urban trends, and a sizable number of us live in suburban environments, and I’m wondering if the dynamics are different.
And yes, I exfoliate and use imported French shampoos and I put on cologne every day. There is nothing wrong with that.
women do Hate Hate Hate betas
So explain why does non-date hang around me despite me admitting that I like trains? Hell, why do women at work talk with me?
But my contention is and has been that in a traditional, pre-feminist society, most men are alpha-enough for most women.
Somehow, I’ve never understood this concept, and it’s still hard to wrap my head around it. In other words, David Alexander as a male persona who doesn’t exhibit stereotypical male traits wouldn’t exist in a previous era or is it merely that David was “good enough” for then? I suspect that my self-acceptance clouds the issue, and I don’t see myself in the prism of the hard-ass, emotionless creature that one conjures up when thinking about old, alpha men.
I Love Lucy reruns were still playing regularly in my teens.
I Love Lucy can be rather retarded at moments, and in real life, Ricky Ricardo would have divorced her instead of putting up with her idiotic claptrap.
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You don’t seem to understand what “asshole game” is.
It’s “asshole”, but it’s also “game”.
The latter implies IN CONTROL.
The behaviors you have in mind are not controlled behaviors.
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Cum in her mouth and hold it closed until she swallows it. Also known as: Pair bonding.
Another thing that betas just don’t do because it looks so wrong.
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DA, if I could erase myself and rebuild my DNA, I would make myself sensible enough to fall deeply in love with you. You are the way people should be.
” (b) you actually think you could dump an alpha and have him long for your return.”
I have dumped men who must be considered alphas based on the number and attractiveness of women they bone and they have come back to me.
As for men in entertainment that I like- in terms of physical appearance I like Christian Bale and Jonathan Rhys Meyers. In terms of character, I like dark powerful types. Intelligent villains. I do not like pretend sappy villains like good guy vampires. I like real villains when they are played by attractive actors.
“I Love Lucy can be rather retarded at moments, and in real life, Ricky Ricardo would have divorced her instead of putting up with her idiotic claptrap.”
They were married in real life. And she divorced him because of his alcoholism and constant cheating. Fiction is harmony in a world of traditional gender roles. Reality begs for feminism.
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— I never put myself into a situation where I needed to fight, so I’ve avoided that problem entirely, and I hope to continue to avoid it.
I haven’t looked for fights after my early 20s either. My only fight in my 30s was when a thuggish-looking guy attacked me out of the blue. I kicked his ass, somewhat to my surprise. The fight itself is a blur in my memory, but all I recall is my fist machine-gunning him all over his head and neck areas.
He ran away, and after I got the cops to leave me alone ASAP, I felt around my face, head, teeth, and felt no soreness anywhere.
After that fight, I completely stopped being afraid of arguments of physical confrontations with strangers. Just the other day a biggish yuppie (slightly bigger than me) got in my face about something in the commuter train parking lot, but when I reacted with cool-blooded “wanna make sometign of it” he backed away and started explaining himself with a squeaky voice.
A fight does a man good.
— So explain why does non-date hang around me despite me admitting that I like trains? Hell, why do women at work talk with me?
You have a very likeable quality. Also, my o m e g a male friend Ace has always had girls gravitate to him (nonsexually) because he always had a kid-like sense of funand lots of energy.
You claim to be low-energy and quiet, but I’ll bet that you are a very good listener with girls.
— Cum in her mouth and hold it closed until she swallows it. Also known as: Pair bonding.
Blow job memory: my girlfriend at 27 had this thing where she loved to suck me off whenever she was stressed out. At the time I worked a blue collar labor-type job, and came back to the apartment we shared real grimy and sweaty.
If she had a shitty day at work (she was a grad student working as an admin at a posh firm) she’d ask me to hold off with taking the shower so she could suck my filthy cock. She’d have to put a towel on the couch so I don’t get it dirty.
Withing minutes of working out some major storms in her head (with my rod in her mouth) tension was visibly ebbing from her entire body. Then she’d use her hand to finish me off.
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Why do I think of Viggo Mortensen when I picture in my head?
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should be:
Why do I think of Viggo Mortensen when I picture *PA* in my head.
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People are talking about being alpha……
and I’d like to say that men actually probably were WAY WAY more alpha the further back in time you go.
ALL MEN.
When 90% of people where employed in agriculture, they were out in the sun all day and in shape.
Many also had to make important decisions about how to work THEIR farm, and weren’t simply office cubicle monkeys doing as their told.
Continual low-scale war left no small number veterans of real fights. And not bullet fights.. were the person you kill probably doesn’t even see you before he dies, but sword/spear up close and personal.
Government was more localized, with a larger number of ‘little rulers’…. with a mayor over a community of 1,500 instead of 15,000. So the political leaders to normal people ratio was actually much higher than today.
This is just the obvious that occurs to me. I’m sure actual historians have more exact examples.
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Christ almightly Tupac, who’s THIS icon pic?
Yeah, yeah, you have built up cred on here, but these pics are pushing it!
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Doug, it’s probably time for a change-up. I like to keep things fresh. Thanks for the reminder.
As for the pic:
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Tupac is that a demon??
I read the yt comments, and its true about the parallel universes and all but i dont get it.
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DA,
It was partly that the men were good enough, and partly that women could not be *as certain* of economic independence as they are today. My parents were generational holdovers as Greatest Generation types who married about the same time the first Boomers were marrying, and I could see my father’s modest middle-class success as adequate, until suddenly it wasn’t.
I have an Ivy League graduate degree in the humanities and my failure to become either shockingly handsome or a millionaire has basically rendered me unmarriageable in the Israeli-American community. The depression doesn’t help, either. I have rudimentary game, but am basically living much as you do, although I think you may have a stronger work ethic. However, unlike you, I am nailing my non-date–we simply do not DATE, for lack of funds.
I had a bit of an epiphany when I realized that in my younger years, women were trying to get with me without making a move on their own, and I was autistic enough to miss it, or mistrustful enough for having been shamed in the past for “puppy-dogging” after women, and (as a bomb-twisted ugly extrovert) I have intermittent social phobia. Game gets me my 1 in 250 success rate, my new girl once a year, Chanukah present, which unlike Christmas present does not depend on if you’re good.
You simply must ride Israil and the Haifa subway (really an underground funicular) if you ever get the chance. Israil is just a Euro-rolling-stock commuter line, but the subway is something out of Blade Runner.
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@87 – noted and agreed. but certain of these non-controlled behaviors (e.g. some of the extreme reactions to the cuckolding thread the other day) get posted in a game-related blog. i don’t view those behaviors at useful in attracting or retaining women – just my experience.
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A fight does a man good.
As I said, it just seems easier to avoid those situations, and not even get into a position where you’d have to fight. Just be polite and go away as it’s rarely worth it.
You have a very likeable quality.
Trust me, I don’t think I’m that likable, and I suspect they could get a gay friend to listen, so I’m still at a loss as to explain why they bother.
she’d ask me to hold off with taking the shower so she could suck my filthy cock. She’d have to put a towel on the couch so I don’t get it dirty.
You’re painting an erotic dream that could be the dream of many men (with allowances for slight variations) while at the same time creating an image of a girl who is trashy and low class enough to suck off an obviously dirty man.
Why do I think of Viggo Mortensen when I picture *PA* in my head.
Somehow, if PA was ten years older, he’d fit the visual…
It was partly that the men were good enough, and partly that women could not be *as certain* of economic independence as they are today.
I’d argue women’s economic independence has been a bonus for betas as it frees them from being the sole breadwinner in their families and it relieves them of the stress of worrying about what would happen if they lost their jobs. I’ve seen such stress first hand, and it affects everybody in the family…
Even if the ability of women to earn middle class income makes beta males less attractive, I’d argue that it’s better for the beta to be alone than to be stuck in a relationship where the woman only keeps him around as a co-signer for a home and back up income. Why should he tied to down to a prostitute that he can’t leave when he can stay single and have sex with women who meet his needs or learn game and have women be truly attracted to him?
However, unlike you, I am nailing my non-date
As I’ve stated, I don’t want to have sex with her because it makes things complicated. Besides, I’d prefer to avoid disappointing her with would obviously be sub par performance…
I had a bit of an epiphany when I realized that in my younger years, women were trying to get with me without making a move on their own, and I was autistic enough to miss it
I’ve generally presumed that the girls who were attempting to show their interest in me were merely being really nice and friendly, or they were massively fucked up and desperate. The theory of course was that if she really liked me, she’d just admit it.
You simply must ride Israil and the Haifa subway (really an underground funicular) if you ever get the chance.
I’d like to visit Israel, but it would be nice to go when the Jerusalem and Tel Aviv light rail systems open up. Plus, it would be nice if Israel electrified their mainline routes too. The Haifa funicular seems like one of things things you ride merely for the shits and giggles factor, as opposed to a real system that should be experienced by a railfan like NYC Subway or Paris Metro.
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Bhetti
No, no was. Please no was.
I’m stricken.
Bhetti, I obviously underestimated you. I estimated you high, but not high enough.
I want trouble out of you Bhetti. Do NOT deny me trouble. 😉
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PS, just found that.
On my way to bed.
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Just be polite and go away as it’s rarely worth it.
In this case, I was on the subway going to work and he attacked me out of the blue. More specifically, he stopped next to me, invaded my personal space and told me to step away from him. I gave him a puzzled look, he repeated his request, and I mumbled for his to go fuck himself, at which point he hit me, and I hit him back and the fight ensued.
You’re painting an erotic dream that could be the dream of many men (with allowances for slight variations) while at the same time creating an image of a girl who is trashy and low class enough to suck off an obviously dirty man.
She was not trashy at all, and very vanilla conventional in sex. Just had a thing for sucking an unwashed dick, but only as a stress-reliever, not when aroused.
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Viggo Mortensen
That guy looks very thin-faced and Nordic. I’m more Slavic-looking and dark-haired.
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If they can make the betas feel guilty for their natural desires, they can effectively neuter them into domestic housepets who can then join the ranks of the girlfriends and gays they like to party non-sexually with.
On the flip side, most women are sexually unattractive to me thanks to hours and hours of watching porn and masturbating to it, so it’s no loss to me and the other anecdotal cases that exist. If we don’t find you sexually attractive and have a better outlet for our sexuality than your fake orgasms, then the world isn’t going to end. 🙂
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You said you had sex with the Canadian Mistress four times. You talked about the one time in the car. When were the other times?
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Re: Alpha in the old days.
I remember my relatives who were in WW 2. For the most part, they were in actual combat. One in particular was a highly decorated PT Boat Squadron Commander. As I recall, none of them needed to be instructed on “game”. There seems to be nothing quite like surviving a really real fight – the kind that results in dead bodies or burning ships – to rinse the betaness out of a young guy.
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feministx:
If your submission is just “role-play”, it’s useless. Your bedroom habits should reflect your relationship, and your relationship should reflect your bedroom habits.
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Also, if you are this far out at both poles simultaneously – wanting to control everything outside the bedroom, but to surrender completely behind closed doors – then you are completely schizophrenic.
Manly chicks who want to be boardroom superstars, and who also want to be dommes, ok fine. That’s not my thing, but at least they’re consistent. From a “woman” like you, though – you just never know what you’re gonna get.
Scary.
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Dave Alex,
Given the fact that you don’t choose to improve yourself, keep non date friends and have chosen to jerkoff to the hundreds of gigabytes of porn you have, *why* do you spend so much time discussing how Women financially use and abuse Betas? Its an issue you haven’t nor will ever know, so what gives? Why so much time, focus and obsession?
Please explain?
O
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You said you had sex with the Canadian Mistress four times. You talked about the one time in the car. When were the other times?
The other three times where in her home, the first was on my twentieth birthday when I lost my virginity, the second was a few weeks later, and the third was nearly eight months later. In every case, her boyfriend was out or at work. The sporadic nature of the sex reflected the fact that our relationship for lack of a better word was a lab partnership that turned erotic, and cooled off once she went back to Canada to do some thinking. She returned, we attempted to go sexless, but failed miserably in the end. And as I wrote on my blog some time ago, I miss her more than I miss Wellesley Queen, and I’d trade the sex in order to remain being her friend.
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*why* do you spend so much time discussing how Women financially use and abuse Betas?
The return to the ancien regime eliminates my source of single women in need of friendship and emotional support. In other words, women who hold out for alphas keep me employed emotionally. Plus, once you realize that beta males are unattracted to women without game, reading the arguments of Whiskey types who want to go back to such a regime frustrates me because it allows the alphas to walk away with great sex while forcing the beta males to sacrifice. Why should a beta male marry some girl, get fake orgasms, and spend his life taking care of her when an alpha is out there having great sex?
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Dave Alex,
Your response is illogical, since Whiskey is no more in a position to implement public policy anymore than you or I am. So in many ways, it is irrelevant what he or anyone else says on the matter.
What IS relevant is that YOU have decided, for a number of reasons that I personally have no problem with whatsoever, that you will not imrpove yourself, that you continue with your non date regime, and that you will continue jacking off to porn. No matter what happens, Whiskey or no, this is the reality, one created by your own hand. Being as this is the case, it is illogical for you to continue to prattle on incessantly about issues that you have chosen not to put a dog into the fight about.
Do you see what I am saying?
Let’s try again, because the real answer is there: WHY do YOU spend so much time talking Women taking Betas for all they got when you have decided to remedy the problem already? Why is it so important for you to discuss in light of this? What do you get out of it? How does IT change things, in this venue?
Wassup with that?
Please explain?
O
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Funny thing is if you notice da is changing more each day. It is in the choice of words now. That change is immenant. A plan is beginning to form. The pain is becoming a catalyst.
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…And now I turn my attention, however brief, to FemX:
Hello FemX. I’ve taken a bit of time out to read your blog, and I am not surprised that you don’t seem to have a particularly high view of African Americans. I’m speaking of your “who shall I marry” post. Don’t get me wrong, I respect everyone’s right to their choices and preferences; additionally, I’ve long known of India’s deeply rooted issues w/skin color, in many ways, it mirrors ours here in the USA. And in fairness you’ve alluded to this yourself in a personal sense, as you hail from South India (Chennai? Just a wild guess), being that you are quite darkskinned yourself. So, I’m no stranger to the attitudes many Indians have toward my people, even if they do it with the world famous polite manners they are known for.
Having said that however, I must say that my direct personal interactions w/Indians, from the Punjab to Bengali, to Gujurat and Bangalore and Mumbai/Bombay, etc, have been nothing but positive. Perhaps it was just me as an individual, you know the whole “you’re a credit to your race” line and all that. Hmm.
Anyway…
A few questions, for I need clarity:
1. WHY are you here? It would seem that much of what you’re about and stand for are in direct contradiction to what this venue stands for. Clearly you have clashed with a number of voices in this venue, which doesn’t seem to be letting up anytime soon, so I fail to see to what good end your participation here will bring. Please explain?
2. You have said that you will give yourself until the age of 30 to find a suitable husband. You have also said that you are interested in a particular type of Alpha Male. Fair enough-then my question to you is, exactly what are you bringing to the table that would make said individual worth his while to put down roots with you-at 30 or thereabouts? What are your qualifications that would make this such an obvious choice to any Alpha worth his salt? Please clarify?
3. As your screenname and numerous comments suggest, you are a Feminist, as well as something of a Marxist, hardly surprising as the two lines of thought often go together. How do you define Feminism? Please elaborate?
Since it seems clear that you wish to interact with the members of this venue, I thought to pose some clarifying questions to you in the hopes that an increase in understanding may ensue. Personally I think you’re as crazy as a bedbug and any Man worth his salt would have to be similarly disposed to even consider keeping company with you based on your offerings here and to an extent your site, but I leave it to others to determine if my analysis in this regard is accurate or not. In any event, looking forward to a civil discussion.
The Obsidian
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WHY do YOU spend so much time talking Women taking Betas for all they got when you have decided to remedy the problem already?
I want the truth to be known by beta males that they are simply unattractive to women, and that any relationship that they have with them sans game is pointless. I want to save these men from being used by the women that don’t want them.
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Why do yuo consider Game to be “kneeling before Zod” when you acknowledge that women like it?
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Dave Alex,
Again, I find your answer illogical, since by definition the very nature of this venue attracts Men who wish to do the exact opposite of what you propose-namely, to learn Game. So, it would seem that you’re not preaching to any choir, but more like throwing pearls before swine.
Moreover, I don’t it takes any great gettin’ up morning epiphany on the part of the vast majority of Men alive and kicking, what the deal is. If you, a Man who, by your own admission, is of at beast middling talents, can figure out the raw deal Men and in particular Beta Males get in the mating game, chances are fairly good that other such Males have figured this out as well. Great minds do think alike and all that.
Think really hard, Dave. Dig deep. Let’s see how truly introspective you are.
WHY are YOU in THIS forum, incessantly talking about how Women take Beta Males for err thing they got, when it is clearly not an issue for YOU based on your oft repeated moves and measures to be sure such a thing never happens to YOU-why do you then persist in discussing such things? Now, keep in mind that what we’ve talked about above.
Comments?
O
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PA obviously yea I like the fight thing. It is good to know you can win if you need to. Guys should fight it is healthy. Gets the poison out and start a new page.
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DA: I want to save these men from being used by the women that don’t want them.
The problem here is evident in your choice of the word “save”. You think that your position is actually better than that of a beta who struggles with relationships, but at least has them.
This is insane. You should get your testosterone and other androgens checked. If they aren’t 3 standard deviations below normal, you should take a good look around you. (You might be shocked to see a bunch of coat racks, or maybe a sweeper and a bunch of cleaning supplies.)
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Roissy wants to save them too. That’s why he posts on game.
The irony of your presence here is almost unspeakable. You’re like a guest at a sumptuous buffet, deciding to dig through the garbage for your sustenance.
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Doug — I DO think things are “that bad” particularly for the twenty something guys I know in the trenches. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them who is married is married to a foreigner. EVERY ONE. The others either do things to make them very visibly NOT nerdy engineering types (adventure/extreme sports, etc) or sit at home dateless. And these are in-shape, twenty something guys.
The guys I know in their thirties who are older, in shape, have money, do all right. But it’s a struggle for them and most have been cheated on. None of them are in a commitment mode.
What convinces me is DATA. When Charles Murray writes there is a problem, and that 40% of working class births to White Women are illegitimate, and 20% to middle class White women, yeah … there’s a problem. It says to me that yeah, what I am seeing is not just stuff only in LA or NYC, but all over.
It’s shocking to me how BADLY men have become effeminate. I mean really, there’s a lot of SWPL guys I meet who I think are gay. It’s that bad. Watch the Dog Whisperer whenever Cesar has on either SWPL couples or that Marley and Me author. Shocking how effeminate the men are. Tupac Chopra I think nailed it. As did Nova — women don’t mind “gay” men and so non-gay men take an active dislike to gay men.
David Alexander: Barack Obama and Carrie Prejean have the EXACT SAME POSITION on GAY MARRIAGE. EXACTLY THE SAME. Therefore the Gay/Female hate for her is based only on her violating PC Female/Gay orthodoxy, something now non-Alpha woman can do. Only an “Alpha” (big shot with women, gays, and the media, but I repeat myself) like Obama or Granny McRictus Botox aka San Fran Nan can do something like that. No one actually objects to Obama being against Gay Marriage. Because hey, he’s the guy Gays and Women worship as a living god.
Re fights. It may shock you (yeah right) that I got into a LOT of fights when younger. I would avoid them if possible now, because they’ll be a lot worse with multiple opponents not looking for a beating but a lot worse. But if you have to get in them, simply win them. Take up an art and practice. Kali or Escrima are both good arts, can get you up to speed quickly, and carrying a knife is a smart move anyway because it’s so damn useful in daily life (opening packages, stuff like that). Sometimes you’ll just have to get into a fight anyway.
Best to just win them.
But yeah, avoiding stupid bar fights is just smart.
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Dave Alex,
Earlier you mentioned that you didn’t want the supply of Women potentially available to you to diminish in non date/”hug” terms, and if Whiskey’s “regime” came back envogue, that could happen. Once again, I find your logic shoddy.
First of all, while its true that more Women married 50 years ago than they do today, not all of them did. Even if 80% of all Women married, that still leaves 20% of Women who didn’t and in all likelihood won’t presumably because they lacked the sexual attractiveness with which to land a hubbie. And, since you’ve made very clear to have non date hugging friends with whom you had no sexual attraction to, it is logical to conclude that you could have done just as well in 1959 as you would in 2009 on that front.
At any rate, awaiting your more introspective, and detailed response.
O
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“Even if 80% of all Women married, that still leaves 20% of Women who didn’t and in all likelihood won’t presumably because they lacked the sexual attractiveness with which to land a hubbie.”
I’ve often wondered about this statistic… you really believe that these 20% do not marry because they lack sexual attractiveness?
Random – regarding Carrie Prejean: I think the reason many females seem to dislike her is due to jealousy for her beauty and her bravery. Not only do I find her extremely attractive, but I think she’s admirable for expressing how she truly feels. I am not saying I agree or disagree with her views, by the way.
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maurice
Clearly in a relationship you have to deal with your partner as a human being, farts and all – but if that’s your standard even for one-night stands then you’re going to unpleseasantly surprise a lot of men with the usual “sugar and spice” expectations.
I don’t do one night stands. Try three months.
We are used to women putting up false appearances..
That’s not happening here. I want to be myself with someone. Not my “gross” self, but my real self. If real seems gross then them’s the breaks. I like myself, so that helps.
Obsidian
I used to wear Estee Lauder and yes, it’s strong stuff. I get a lot of compliments from men and women on Dior Addiction. I’m glad to hear you’re not into the billiard ball look on a woman. A woman needs a bit of fur in the right places.
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Dreamer,
We agree 100% on Ms. California. Kinda reminds of the hatin’ Sarah Palin used to get.
As for the other point, if one accepts the idea that some 80% of all Women who ever lived went on to reproduce, we then have to consider why the remaining 20% did not-now of course, there are several reasons possible.
One is that they simply chose not to have babies, marriage or no. Another is that they *couldnt* have babies due to medical reasons. A third possibility is that they were unable to attract suitable mates. And so on.
At any rate my point to Dave Alex is that even in the highest marital rated countries/socieities in the world, there are still those Women who, for whatever reason, don’t marry, and therefore form the basis of a pool of non date, huggable Women for him.
Sara, thanks both for the kudos and the perfume suggestion. I’ll check out Dior Attraction, perhaps I’ve smelled it on a Woman before and just didn’t know it?
Thanks again.
O
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T Gondi infestation makes you drive like a girl. All cats should fucking hang.
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FemX wrote:
> You are the way people should be.
Meaning people should be betas. I sort of agree since alpha-ism is a zero sum game but the lack of assertion of beta-types extends into the professional realm and there needs to be a combo of talented meek people (i.e. betas) and those rare talented assertive people (i.e. alphas) to make it work. Human nature will see to it that some alphas will get rewarded more financially.
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roissy’s advice, tl;dr version: be an inconsiderate misogynist and don’t bother having any real affection for your girlfriend since her only purpose is to cook you dinner and swallow your cum.
Default User
And yet you cannot prove that I am a troll, and don’t even know what the word means. Hardly suprising when not even this site’s terminology (alpha, beta etc.) is understood by the people who use it.
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TJF, what country are you from?
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Don’t be too reliable…that is solid advice.
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contrarian
I said trollish meaning that you share some characteristics with trolling types. You are on a blog about game, yet many of your contributions are merely to say that game is not needed. As your name implies you always take the contrarian position and that gets tiring (most normal posters will find things to agree on from time-to-time). Are you a troll? Who knows? But you do exhibit characteristics of many trolls.
Your response to my light-hearted post is a good example. Most people would see it as a light jab, aimed more at feministxy than the named posters and leave it at that. You however, have to jump in with your usual “Oh no it isn’t” response.
As my good deed for the day I will let you have the last word.
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Default, why do you even argue with that imbecile over whether or not he is a troll? He comes in here with the deliberate intention of provoking people, and thus he is a troll however much he denies it. Don’t feed the troll!
That is contrarian to a t.
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Dudes talk to your chicks about sponges. Natural sea sponges will allow you to do your thing 365 without mess – you call yourselves players?
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Default User
A simple factual statement. Game is not necessary, especially not in longterm relationships.
Thank you for proving that you don’t know what a troll is.
What, do you expect me to not reply to you? Sounds like you’re the one who would like to have the last word.
Tarl
How would you prove that I came here with the deliberate intention of provoking people, and why would you accuse me of trolling when you are guilty of trolling yourself? Clearly, these “is he a troll or isn’t he” “arguments” (=constantly repeating an assertion without backing it up) are irrelevant and off-topic and can have no purpose other than derailing the thread.
Are you confusing me with yourself?
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Condoms sponges that is the other guys problem.
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Obsidian
Sara, thanks both for the kudos and the perfume suggestion. I’ll check out Dior Attraction, perhaps I’ve smelled it on a Woman before and just didn’t know it?
Correction. It’s Dior Addiction. Enjoy.
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Contrarian is a lol troll.
He tries to be a serious troll, but pees all over himself.
Witness his illogical and insane arguments that Islam never produced a successful society, despite 1200 years of accepted history opposing him. And when questioned on this, instead of producing an overhwhelming amount of fact (as would be required, since the onus is on him to prove his case, as his case is not accepted history) he retreats into one stock Holocaust-denier esque phrase: “History is biased.”
Yep, that’s his entire argument.
Contrarian pees all over himself. Even an inflammatory jerk like Ahmadinejad would laugh at him rather than get pissed.
Guys, just do the same.
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lurker
Contrarian is a lol troll.
He tries to be a serious troll, but pees all over himself.
And every time you say that, you’re unable to prove it. Every time I demonstrate that you are a troll, you flee the scene.
lurker lost this debate a long, long time ago, and he never quite recovered. He now regularly brings this up in attempt to derail threads (wait, isn’t that trolling?).
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Game is not necessary, especially not in longterm relationships.
Several commenters made rational arguments for why game is necessary in a long-term relationship.
You say that it isn’t. Can you argue why that’s so, beyond making mere assertions like “quality girls don’t need game?”
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@ PA
Well of course it’s not necessary.
It’s like saying being sober isn’t necessary to driving. It’s strictly true. You might get lucky and get home safe, even though you’re drunk. And you might get in a crash, but for awhile at least, you were driving sober.
But nevertheless, a prudent driver would drive (relatively) sober (note: advice I don’t take).
Of course game isn’t necessary. That doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea.
Not siding with TJF so much as pointing out that he’s stating the obvious.
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Contrarian,
As I recall, I don’t agree w/your analysis of your “debate” w/Lurker wrt Islam. He is correct, you have not provided countervailing evidence to his claims that Islam has indeed contributed much to the world. No one would deny its inherent problems, but your position doesn’t seem to be as nuanced, but rather blanket in its condemnation of Islam as a whole down through the ages. Most scholars would disagree with your view.
In any event, you have said repeatedly that Game is not necessary to maintain a longterm relationship; yet Dave from Hawaii has gone on record, as have other married Men, that Game has greatly enriched and perhaps even saved their marriages.
Question: are you married, and if so, for how long? On what basis do you make the assertion that Game is not necessary for the maintenence of a LTR? For that matter, are you in a LTR? If so, for how long? Please explain?
Now, I am making a good faith effort to engage you on the issues. If you do not wish to do same, no reply is needed. But I am hoping we can have a civil discussion.
O
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“Every time I demonstrate that you are a troll, you flee the scene.”
—lol contrarian. just lol.
“lurker lost this debate a long, long time ago, and he never quite recovered. ”
—you see why he’s a troll? All accepted history and fact are against him, but his mere assertion plus the fact that he got in the last word *proves* he won the argument.
“He now regularly brings this up”
—lol. whenever someone accuses you of being a troll, mother’s basement dweller, I use this bit of illogic of yours to back up their assertion, especially since you get your autistic knickers in a twist over the truth.
But that woudl escape you, wouldn’t it?
lol.
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” flee the scene.”
—if by that you mean “go back to work” then yes, kiddo.
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PA
If a “girl” EVER farted or shat in my presence, I’d leave her immediately. Why? Because I’d realize that I’ve been dating a tranny. Cue the theme to “the crying game.” Real girls don’t poop.
Real healthy girls poop frequently in fact. Keeps the breath fresher and the tummy flatter. You should be so lucky. Girls who poop more frequently are better in bed because they’re not constipated; i.e. anal retentive. Have you read Lady Chatterly’s Lover? A very controversial book in it’s time where the lover actually mentions somewhere..in more poetic terms than I can recall…that he loves the realness of her, including the realness of the fact that she takes a crap now and then.
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cuntrarian:
What, do you expect me to not reply to you?
“Someone who is ready to argue at the drop of a hat is someone in need of constant reassurance.” – C.S.H.
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@betafist
Your behavior speaks for itself, troll.
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Real healthy girls poop frequently in fact.
Nonsense. I’ve never seen evidence of this.
In fact, I’m sure Rum or Bhetti can coroborate my argument that girls sustain on sunshine and the smell of flowers.
The food or drink they ingest transofrms into a healthy blush and coy glimmer in their eyes. Any waste products are merely deleted from existence, an exception to the law of conservation of matter.
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Honestly, maybe its my own sense of naivete, but I really don’t see the point of anyone coming/going to a venue that stands against everything they stand for, and deliberately posting in a manner most find distracting at the least and downright antangonistic at worst. And it seems that this venue in particular is a magnet of such individuals-FemX and Contrarian among them, though there are others (Dave Alex being a much more benign, albeit annoying version).
Why are they here? What do they hope to achieve? Perhaps because I’m a results oriented person I have such a view, but I really don’t get the point of all this. What gives?
O
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Obsidian
He lost. Build a bridge and get over it.
What Dave doesn’t understand is that the correct response to a shit test by his wife is not to pass it, or to fail it, but to dump her and find a quality woman instead. A quality woman does not conduct shit tests. His use of game solved an arbitrary problem that did not need to be solved.
Since PUAs are mostly involved with low quality women, it’s no suprise that they’ve come to believe that game is always absolutely necessary.
It requires no LTR or marriage experience to conclude that game is not necessary for a LTR, or necessary in general.
lurker
You’re the one who’s a troll by constantly bringing this up in an attempt to derail the thread.
Defeating you in a debate is hardly illogical, and does not require much effort either.
I believe I have already explained to you twice why it is impossible for me to live in my mother’s basement. I live alone in a second story apartment far away from my mother, who does not even have a basement.
Ah, the old “I am older than you/believe I’m older than you, and that magically validates everything I say” strategy. A sign of despair.
Tupac Chopra
Do you have anything substantial or meaningful to say?
Tarl
This is not proof. Try again.
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@sara – wasn’t LCL about a same-sex female relationship? never read it but know of its reputation.
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I just made 300 in 5 min i hate the stock market.
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Real healthy girls poop frequently in fact.
Nonsense. I’ve never seen evidence of this.
The food or drink they ingest transforms into a healthy blush and coy glimmer in their eyes.
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Any waste products are merely removed from existence, an exception to the law of conservation of matter.
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You are correct PA it is actually amazing.
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“Hello FemX. I’ve taken a bit of time out to read your blog, and I am not surprised that you don’t seem to have a particularly high view of African Americans. ”
I am as attracted to blacks (African, Haitian, American, wherever) as I am to European whites. I like black guys in suits and I like black guys from the hood, though I am not about to date such a guy. But I can’t marry a black dude- not allowed by the fam.
“And in fairness you’ve alluded to this yourself in a personal sense, as you hail from South India (Chennai? Just a wild guess)”
Dad from Chennai, mom from kerala.
“1. WHY are you here? It would seem that much of what you’re about and stand for are in direct contradiction to what this venue stands for. Clearly you have clashed with a number of voices in this venue, which doesn’t seem to be letting up anytime soon, so I fail to see to what good end your participation here will bring. Please explain?”
Doug very ignorantly decided that I was a lesbian and continuously posts this which has made people believe false things about me. My clash with people here is not because I believe something wrong but because they cling to wrong information about me.
The truth:
-I am bisexual
-I can have orgasms from sex with a man. I can have vaginal orgasms without clitoral stimulation.
-I would prefer marriage to a man because of sexual preference, not social pressure.
I am here for a few reasons:
-I like Roissy’s writing
-I want to learn about maintaining game in a relationship with a woman
-I want to see how the mind of the alpha works. On the comment sections, I can also see how the mind of lesser alphas and betas work, which is interesting. It is interesting to see how average sexually frustrated men react to what they call feminism and game.
“2. You have said that you will give yourself until the age of 30 to find a suitable husband. You have also said that you are interested in a particular type of Alpha Male. Fair enough-then my question to you is, exactly what are you bringing to the table that would make said individual worth his while to put down roots with you-at 30 or thereabouts? What are your qualifications that would make this such an obvious choice to any Alpha worth his salt? Please clarify?”
It is frustrating that I must do this. As a high caste attractive woman, I could ask my mother to find me a husband and I would have something like an ivy educated doctor in a matter of weeks. Snap the fingers and a brain surgeon with a wedding ring would appear. While people here chastise me for my alleged dishonesty in finding a male partner, they don’t see that I need to have a certain amount of integrity to forego my automatic ticket to upper middle class living, intelligent children and a responsible husband.
But I am true to myself and my need for a certain kind of alpha. So, here I am playing a game that I don’t have to play in order to get results that will look no better to the outside than what I could manage with 0 effort in an arranged marriage.
As for what I have to offer, it’s simple. I offer the same thing that I need- sexual deviance. An alpha can bang a hot body and expect a girl to cook a meal, but if you need a girl you can string up and beat with a whip, then average hottie does not cut it. Now, not all sadists are alphas, but the correlation is pretty good in my experience. It’s an extreme form of dominance, after all.
Otherwise, I have the normal attributes necessary for long term partnership. You can bring me home to mom. I have a modest conservative appearance and a decent education.
“3. As your screenname and numerous comments suggest, you are a Feminist, as well as something of a Marxist, hardly surprising as the two lines of thought often go together. How do you define Feminism? Please elaborate?”
I agree with much of what Dworkin and Steinem wrote though I understand that they believed many things that are scientifically impossible. I am some kind of pro-empirical kind of radical feminist. Strangely, Dworkin and people like lurker would agree on some principles- they just have the opposite reaction to the same ideas. Ex, Dworkin said that male to female penetration was innately an act of dominance. Lurker says that a woman gets fucked. She is the submissive receptor. Lurker wants women to accept this. Dworkin wants society to lament this. FemX laments it on an analytical level but desires it anyways.
“Since it seems clear that you wish to interact with the members of this venue, I thought to pose some clarifying questions to you in the hopes that an increase in understanding may ensue. Personally I think you’re as crazy as a bedbug and any Man worth his salt would have to be similarly disposed to even consider keeping company with you based on your offerings here and to an extent your site, but I leave it to others to determine if my analysis in this regard is accurate or not. In any event, looking forward to a civil discussion.”
Obs, you might be the smartest commenter on the board, really. You have a keen ability to extract the logical value of statements without overthinking them. High IQ people struggle to do so.
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Contrarian,
“Build a bridge and get over it”-excuse me? This is your refutation of Lurker’s points in the debate between you two on Islam? If so, you must know that it hardly passes any smell test of reason or logic; appeals to assertion do no a win in a debate make.
Again, most widely recognized scholars on the matter would clearly disagree with you, Bernard Lewis among them. To say that Islam has deep seated problems with which it must comes to grips with would be quite accruate; to suggest that Islam has contributed nothing of value to the world in its 1400 year plus history is again, grossly inaccurate. Since we are engaging each other on the matter, perhaps you can offer evidence to me beyond your own self sealing assertions?
As for your reply to my question, which you have not answered (are YOU Contrarian, married or in a LTR?), again are we to take your appeal to assertion over the experience of married Men like PA and Dave from Hawaii, just to name a few who have actually posted their experiences in this venue? If so, on what basis?
A key component of the PUA community is its “field reports” actual testing out of various methods in realtime on or with real people, namely Women. Game, perhaps more than the vast majority of ideas we all have been groomed with concerning love, sex and relationships, is deeply rooted in what actually has proven to work. Since you do not feel that realworld experience is necessary, on what basis do you make your claims? Please explain?
Lastly, I find your ad hominem attacks on those who apply Game to be really low class-calling Women you do not know “low class” simply because they are hardwired to be attracted to certain things is not a legitimate thing to say, and I do recall you calling DFH’s wife “low class” as well, something that was beyond the pale of civil discourse.
In any event, I am hopeful that we can have a fruitful discussion in good faith.
Awaiting your responses.
O
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I just discovered another word that gets a comment stuck in moderation. Most here already know that this word will get you there: m e g a
The one I just found is d e l e t e (don’t know if in part or whole)
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maurice
@sara – wasn’t LCL about a same-sex female relationship?
Au contraire. It was the lady and the gameskeeper. A very erotic book.
http://karlomongaya.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/what-people-look-for-in-lady-chatterleys-lover/
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And only now she became aware of the small, bud-like reticence and tenderness of the penis, and a little cry of wonder and poignancy escaped her again, her woman’s heart crying out over the tender frailty of that which had been the power.
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feministix.blogspot.com
How are you going to do that? There is no such thing as an alpha, since nobody can agree on what an alpha is supposed to be. A self-proclaimed alpha is an alpha because he says he is, and a beta is a beta because a self-proclaimed alpha says he is. Some guy just decides he’s an alpha now, and then decides that this or that other guy is a beta because that way he gets to feel superior to him. And everyone buys into this illusion, knowingly nodding when someone uses the appropriate terminology, even though nobody knows what any of it means.
Obsidian
The debate has been over for a long, long time. He lost, end of story.
I clearly explained why Dave from Hawaii is wrong.
PUAs are pathologically delusional and superficial, and their results are affected by selection bias, so their claims and experiences don’t necessarily mean anything. There is nothing to support the ridiculous notion that game is absolutely necessary whether you’re looking for a one night stand or a long-term relationship.
She conducts shit tests, therefore she is low quality.
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@betafist,
No proof would ever be enough for you, and therefore I don’t plan to waste my time trying to convince you.
Your behavior is proof enough for any reasonable person in this forum that your intent is to troll.
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She conducts shit tests, therefore she is low quality.
I wonder if the dumb turd even knows that saying this in Dave’s presence would get him a fist through his face.
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“How are you going to do that?”
My cunt is compass to the alpha. It has perfect directional sense. The men have to guess based on gestures or external success with women, but I inherently know. I have an organ that identifies the alpha like a bat’s use of sonar power to find food.
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FemX,
Thanks for taking the time out to reply, as well as for the kind words. Flattery can get you everywhere, even with Brothas like me.
Your comments about African/Black Men are interesting, especially when put against other comments about your familial challenges wrt arranged marriage etc. Seems as though you are caught between two worlds here and attempting to split the difference. Too bad your familial ties preclude your trying us Brothas out. I’ve know quite a few Indian Women who had similar concerns and was quite happily surprised to learn that they got their needs met very well at the hands (and other body parts) of Black Men. Besides, you’re an American now, think and decide for yourself.
As for your sexual needs, it is not my place to attempt to divine what you are or are not, though what I will say is that I would agree that Alpha Males do tend toward a “harder” Dominant edge; personally I haven’t had to tie my Women up; them assuming the position while I applied my belt sufficed. Makes Women *dripping wet* too I might add.
It would appear that you need more experience. I wish you well in the pursuit.
Free. Your. Mind.
The Obsidian
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everyone, I discovered the perfect way to drive contrarian crazy:
simply cut and paste the following every time he posts a response:
“Contrarian, you are wrong. You are a troll.”
Contrarian has one major weakness (besides logic, of course): he must have the final word. That is, in his twisted mind, *winning* an argument (hence why he claims he *won* our Islamic argument; he posted his illogical assertion last). So long as he is not the one who posted last, he will have a conniption fit of block quoting, illogical answers, and spewing bile from his autistic piehole.
It’s actually quite humorous when you think about it: he is a version of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons: falsely smug in his own opinions that are backed up by no logic and easily lanced, and furiously trollish when challenged, thus revealing his complete insecurity in his opinions. He is an overweight, trollish unemployed not-by-choice, living in his mom’s basement, wearing his Star War’s pjs, and worshipping at the altar of crackpot conspiracy theories, one clear one being his lost argument about Islamic culture.
Contrarian, you are wrong. You are a troll.
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unless an article injezebel or feministing unleash another wave of new readers in this blogs, lurker’s suggestion will become the default mode to deal with TJF
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“’ve know quite a few Indian Women who had similar concerns and was quite happily surprised to learn that they got their needs met very well at the hands (and other body parts) of Black Men.”
I suspect they would be. I don’t wholly exclude blacks. If they are up to snuff, I will go on a date with a black guy. Thus far, I have only been on a date with a half black guy. But I do find it hard to take it seriously because my family would be so angry.
“It would appear that you need more experience. I wish you well in the pursuit.”
Thank you.
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@sara -thanks, I stand corrected. Maybe it is the New Mexico thing and I was mixing it up with Georgia O’Keefe – I dunno.
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Contrarian,
Against my better judgment I am going to try to engage you in civil discourse again one more time. You have not answered my question; I wil ask it again:
Are YOU Contrarian, married, ever been married, currently in or ever have been in a LTR? If not, on what basis do you dismiss Dave from Hawaii’s statements?
You say that Lurker lost the debate, “end of story”-but you are no longer talking to him, you’re talking to me, and I agree w/his position, not based on wishful thinking but on the facts. I also said that numerous scholars on the matter would roundly disagree w/your blanket condemnation of all things Islamic, Bernard Lewis among them. Now, your evidence to the contrary is…?
Neil Strauss, a celebrated writer before he got wind of the PUA culture, has written a book which came out a few years back; its called The Game. Perhaps you’ve heard of it. In its pages he shares many key insights of the Seduction Community, among them the fact that Game works on a wide swath of the female population; in fact, Strauss goes on record as saying that smarter, more educated Women (read, “higher class”) are *more* apt to be subject to Game (Seduction) than barflies and the like (Women that one might consider to be “low class”), precisely because the same traits that incline them to be educated also incline them to being seduced.
Again, Strauss ought to know, having been w/many Women. Ergo, he has actual experience. I ask you, what kind of experience w/Women do you have?
Listen Contrarian…maybe its a Fool’s Errand on my part, but I like to believe that one can appeal to another’s sense of reason. This is what I am trying to do with you. So I am hoping I can get some straight answers from you regarding my direct questions put to you, and that we can have a civil conversation.
O
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Hey, ball busting bitch with a Cinderella complex. My name is Danny Devito. You don’t deserve half of my ugly.
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doug: What is it exactly you’re estimating and what have you picked me out for? What’re you going to do if you don’t get what you want from me? It works in your favour that I care about you too much to not be serious. But you should stop pointing out your lovely spice-loving qualities, trouble, because that way leads to (my) madness.
PA:
Haha, I wish!
Reactionary: All I remember is my childhood prejudiced view against Lebanese females I’ve encountered. This was that they were pretty, creative, superficial, slutty, materialistic, calculating and bitchy. Good food, if they know how to cook. They’re more liberal and the only Arab country I know of with significant obvious gay men/metrosexual presence. They’re also practically French. Still, that’s very general and unfair to them, most likely.
I don’t know Lebanese culture that well but you can see some glimpses of it via google (you could type Miss Lebanon just for fun).
I think in summary you can treat them as you would normal Western women and find out what needs to be found out from each Lebanese girl individually.
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[…] Roissy in D.C., “Keys to a Healthy Relationship“—manages to make “whey protein” even fucking lamer than it already is! […]
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In fact, I’m sure Rum or Bhetti can coroborate my argument that girls sustain on sunshine and the smell of flowers.
I saw my mistress piss and take a dump, so don’t bother…
Why do yuo consider Game to be “kneeling before Zod” when you acknowledge that women like it?
Primarily because I can’t see myself using game, and whenever I do, it’s merely a window into a nightmarish world.* Quite frankly, I like being me, and I understand why women aren’t attracted me, and I’m willing to trade off access to sex for personal contentment.
Sample: David just couldn’t scream angrily at the doctor’s secretary at the clinic. He just meekly walked out hoping to get what he needed next week. The personality just isn’t there, and the idea of screaming at her would gnaw away at my soul for weeks. I suspect other beta males have similar “penalty brakes” as well.
WHY are YOU in THIS forum
I must admit that I’ve been obsessed over the topic of alphas and betas for nearly five years, and I drove several friends, both female and male crazy with the concept, and this seems to be one of the few places where one can talk about it. My concern is generally more so with Whiskey types who seem to be adamant that marriage is some magical cure, when it really isn’t and requires sacrifice from the beta males and he seems to ignore and dismiss my sentiments about this.
I guess I just want other people to openly agree with my sentiments and promote these concepts in the public sphere.
The problem here is evident in your choice of the word “save”. You think that your position is actually better than that of a beta who struggles with relationships, but at least has them.
As I’ve stated, game is best for suppressed alphas and higher betas who have the inclination for game. Game is of no use for someone like myself or other lower ranking beta males. The reason that I want to save these beta males is because I’m tired of seeing these men go into marriages with awful sex and where the wives secretly resent them while they think everything is really happy on the surface. There’s a contingent that posts here that thinks eliminating no-fault divorce or even feminism will cure the social problems while I argue that the main problem is the unattractiveness of beta males to women. Even if you eliminate feminism, that problem still remains, and forcing women to marry men that really don’t like isn’t the solution. The only real solution is for beta males to simply avoid sexual relationships with women if they are incapable of using game.
that still leaves 20% of Women who didn’t
The problem is that even with sizable pool, one has to find friends that one can be compatible with. So once one removes the low IQ, mentally ill, and those who may some other feature that prohibits friendship with me, then pool isn’t as large as one would suspect.
Several commenters made rational arguments for why game is necessary in a long-term relationship.
The theory is that a long-term relationship should be based on the ideal of a friendship and companion, and thus not the alpha-esque attraction methods of game. In other words, if you need game to keep her attracted, then she really doesn’t love you, but she loves the game and by default, alphas, and it breaks that cute little ideal one has of romantic love.
They’re also practically French.
Alternate History: Does longer European colonialism solve the “Arab problem” and infuse their with slightly more Western influences?
As for Lebanese girls, they’re the only good thing about Ottawa. 🙂
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The problem with too many Westernised Arabs: All of the half-naked celeberity obsession, none of reading Orwell.
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Dave Alex,
OK, so you’ve attempted to layout your positions on things, but again I find them to be built on an illogical house of cards.
For example, in response to my 20% of Women being available for you to have huggable non date friendships with, your reply is that, among other things, you needed to weedout those of “low IQ”-question Dave-what is YOUR IQ, and why is it important for one to have a high IQ, given the fact that her genes’ role is largely irrelevant? We’re talking about hugs and non dates, not sex, which is how a transfer of genes is usually done. Please explain?
As for Whiskey, who really seems to get under your skin, I don’t ever recall him or anyone else attempting to suggest that marriage is perfect, or for that matter the only party who sacrifices are (Beta) Men; indeed, Women are called upon to make sacrifices as well. One of the hallmarks of adulthood is the recognition that you cannot get everything that you want in life, that tradeoffs occur in all things in life, and that the most impactful and important things in life-the things that matter the most-often do not feel good. Take working out and eating healthy just for two quick examples. My problem with many of your positions is that they advocate a Peter Pan mentality, where you refuse to grow up and meet the world on its terms. Of course you have the right to do this, just as I have the right to call you on your grossly immature and unrealistic nature.
As for romantic love, I’ve said it before and it bears repeating, that it is overrated in the Western world and especially in America. People who’ve actually been married or in LTRs for any length of time will quickly disabuse you of the woefully romantically ignorant views that you have; true love entails a great deal of growing up, of duty, or doing things when you don’t feel like it, etc. This is one reason why so many marriages and LTRsfail, because there are far too many kids running around in grownups’ bodies, and its sad. Very, very sad.
I’ll hold off here so as to allow you a chance to holla back.
Please do…
O
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why is it important for one to have a high IQ, given the fact that her genes’ role is largely irrelevant?
One of the reasons for a platonic friendship is to have somebody to talk to, and while IQ isn’t as important, it is necessary to have somebody who is smart enough to understand what you’re talking about.
that tradeoffs occur in all things in life, and that the most impactful and important things in life-the things that matter the most-often do not feel good
The problem is that in my view, the sacrifices needed to make marriage work just aren’t worth the benefits that one could receive. Trading away one’s freedom for awful sex and hard work for somebody who probably doesn’t really appreciate it just isn’t worth the possible companionship and children.
Then it doesn’t help knowing that she is capable of superior sexual performance, but only under the aegis of an alpha.
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OK Dave Alex, let’s examine what you’ve just said:
1. Again, I fail to see why high IQ is necessary for the kinds of association you claim to prefer; one doesn’t need to know Newtonian physics and String Theory in order to go out on a non date and give you a warm hug. Seems to me you’re making things, and by extension life, harder than it really needs to be. Which may be by your design, since it would serve as a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts, “validating” all your notions an “proving” why it was never worth making an effort to change things. Yes?
2. Again, the facts contradict your notions on marriage. It is a known fact that married people, Men and Women both, have more sex than single folk, and when they do have it, tends to be better, too. What you have to understand is again, not everyone in a marriage or LTR is being raked over the coals. Having been in a quite a few LTRs, including two at present, I know of what I speak, young man.
I can respect your POV, just try to have a bit more to base it on than Three Card Molly type thinking, huh?
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Again, I fail to see why high IQ is necessary for the kinds of association you claim to prefer
As I stated earlier, she just needs to be either smart enough to understand me, which means that she needs to have some degree of intelligence. I’m not arguing for say, 125 IQ, but somebody of average intelligence. Remember, a platonic relationship isn’t me just simply hugging a girl for two hours and leaving, but somebody that I can talk with from time to time and have a dinner with at a restaurant.
It is a known fact that married people, Men and Women both, have more sex than single folk
Which conflicts with the general consensus of this blog that betas are basically sexless, and that beta males are unattractive to alpha women. So either beta males are magically becoming alpha during marriage, or people are lying on surveys.
not everyone in a marriage or LTR is being raked over the coals
Nearly every male that I know is or was complaining about the lack of sex in their relationships. When these men bailed on their respective relationships and went alpha, they had more sex.
few LTRs, including two at present
Pardon my ignorance, but are those really LTRs or are those just long-term booty calls? One wouldn’t really think of them in the sense of a girlfriend, but simply two women that you’re fucking.
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Dave Alex,
Let’s address some of your comments here.
My LTRs: w/one exceeding 6 years in duration and the other coming up on the half year mark, one would think that its a bit more than a mere “booty call”, and since both Women have pledged their love to me (and I to them) again, a booty call these associations don’t make. Its just I don’t buy into the idea that there is only “one” way to love. There are many ways. And have been for as long as there have been humans.
Nevertheless, my point remains, that as one who knows what it means to be in LTRs of years-long duration, I can tell you that I was getting laid more consistently, and in the manner that I wanted, than when I *wasn’t* in a LTR. My reasons for having more than one is because quite frankly I have a very strong libido that craves variety. Hence the Nurse being very busty, shorter and fair skinned, and Brown Sugah being taller, heftier in the backside/thighs/hips &, as the name infers, brown skinned in complexion. The Nurse wears her hair short; Brown Sugah dons locs. And so forth.
Going back to your high/”average” IQ standard, if you’re gunning for White Women, wouldn’t that answer itself? If White average IQ rates are around 100 or so, wouldn’t that be enough to meet your hugging and non date needs? Also, have you actually tested any of this Women to assess their IQ, and if not, how do you know what it is or could be? On what basis do you determine this?
Although I too share a need to interact w/a smart Woman, somehow I get the impression that we go about this in very different ways, w/very different results. If I were to hazard a guess, on the basis of our expressed comments in this forum, I would argue that I’m a lot more fulfilled on the cognitive front than you, all things being equal. But I could be wrong.
And according to the General Social Survey, among other such surveys, the jury’s in-married folks have more sex and better sex, than do singles. Could they be lying? Sure. But as half of all marriages still stay together, perhaps there’s at least *some* truth to those surveys. Also, please keep in mind that this venue ain’t exactly friendly to marriage or LTRs for that matter. As for your friends, it is possible that they made bad decisions in their mate selection choices?
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Tarl
You are trolling, but you have not proven that I have committed any trolling.
PA
How do you know that Dave could defeat me? And is this Internet Tough Guy act (on behalf of someone else) supposed to disprove what I said?
lurker
Why would that drive me crazy?
And yet it is always other people who keep going on, on, on and on about having the final word. If you think it’s so important to not have the final word, you can simply take your own advice by not posting anymore.
I won because you’re such a failure.
Wait, are you talking about yourself?
Where is your proof?
Prove it.
Obsidian
I have clearly explained to you why he is wrong. Either stop ignoring what I told you, or stop posting.
He lost. Cry me a river, build a bridge and get the fuck over it.
Intelligence (or in this case, perceived intelligence) and education (which isn’t mutually exclusive with being stupid and ignorant) do not automatically make a woman high quality.
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Contrarian,
OK then, what makes a Woman high quality in your estimation, are you or have you ever been married to one or been in a LTR w/one? Please explain?
I am asking you questions to ascertain the degree of realworld experience you have w/the subject matters at hand, since you seem to be of the view that the experiences of others don’t count.
As for the Islam debate, question: is Princeton Middle Eastern Studies scholar Bernard Lewis wrong about Islam and its history? If so, please explain why, and can you point me to countervailing evidence by other scholars?
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Obsidian
Not playing the Game is a prerequisite to being a high quality woman (this word is not capitalized, by the way).
Realworld experience does not matter, since it is plainly obvious that game is not necessary.
Why does the fact that lurker lost fill you with such despair? Are you two married or something?
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Contrarian,
Your responses are illogical. You say that experience is not necessary. This is inconsistent w/any form of fact finding or scientific inquiry.
Your pervasive evasiveness in answering my questions, along w/your ad hominem attacks wrt Lurker in my question to you regarding widely recognized ME scholar Lewis does not reflect well on you or your argument.
Your lack of giving a precise and detailed description of what a Quality Woman (please note capitalization) is, is quite interesting, especially since it was you who emphasized its importance.
All in all Contrarian, I find your participation in this forum to be a bore, something of a mild irritant and brings nothing of any good use to the table. Even if you had taken the “con” position to Game but had done so in both a substantive and respectful way, I for one would welcome it. As it is however, I find no further reason to continue our conversation, and will assiduously avoid any future such discussions, and would urge other members of the forum to follow suit. There is nothing to be gained here.
I wish you well in life.
Sincerely,
The Obsidian
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Obsidian
If I said that electricity is not necessary for survival, would you demand me to cite personal experiences?
I don’t have to answer them since experience makes no difference. You, on the other hand, asked me to explain something, and even though I explained it several times you continued to act as if I hadn’t. That’s evasion. As for ad hominems, that’s just what you get for acting as a subsitute for lurker.
Why do you care what my idea of a quality woman is? It is enough in the context of this discussion to say that a quality woman does not play the game.
I’ve made plenty of arguments against game, but I guess you’ve just decided to conviniently ignore those too. And why should game receive any respect from me?
Do you always need to seek approval from the unwashed masses?
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Whatever floats your boat, Contrarian.
Sweet dreams.
O
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As for your friends, it is possible that they made bad decisions in their mate selection choices?
While I admit that my friends are at best anecdotal sources of information, I have noted a trend that their sex lives were generally more enjoyable with more frequent sex when they were single than in the confines of a LTR. These men are arguably higher betas/lower alphas, so we’re not dealing with losers, but men with an actual ability to meet somewhat attractive women. The only reason they seem to tolerate their current status is for the emotional benefits of an LTR.
As for your LTRs, I’d argue that an LTR implies some degree of monogamy, but my opinion isn’t worth much, and you’re free to live your life as you see fit.
If White average IQ rates are around 100 or so, wouldn’t that be enough to meet your hugging and non date needs?
As I said, I just need somebody smart enough to understand me, so I suspect that somebody of average IQ could work out.
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I just now saw this debate between Obsidian and Contrarian. There are two points here from Contrarian on which I could not disagree more strongly:
1. “A simple factual statement. Game is not necessary, especially not in longterm relationships.”
Response: To bring out the best in your LTR you absolutely do need some element of game. I don’t mean the bar-hopping, infidelity-seeking, caricature of “game” you might’ve read or imagined. I’m talking about flexing your native masculinity, letting your alpha qualities show, and resisting the evolutionary tendencies of all women to beta-ize their man.
My credibility? I’ve been married longer–and to the same woman–than some of Roissy’s readers have likely been alive. I could write a book. Practicing game in your mate selection and, more importantly, in your LTR will help your relationship remain hot, spare you from misguided marriage counselors, and cost you a whole lot less than a divorce lawyer.
Contrarian, continue to do what you’re doing. Then, call me in 10 years and tell me I’m not correct.
2. “What Dave doesn’t understand is that the correct response to a shit test by his wife is not to pass it, or to fail it, but to dump her and find a quality woman instead. A quality woman does not conduct shit tests.”
Response: All women shit test. It’s part of the definition of femininity. If you don’t want shit tests, your other options are staying single or becoming gay. The shit test is a woman’s way of testing a man’s strength of character, of seeing whether you’re the type who wilts under pressure. Pass it and you advance forward. Fail it and you take a step towards beta-tude …or, like I said, single-hood and gay bars.
If you find a quality woman who doesn’t shit test, wait a while. If you still don’t see the shit test, you not only missed it. You failed it also.
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Contrarian, you are wrong. You are a troll.
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“And everyone buys into this illusion, knowingly nodding when someone uses the appropriate terminology, even though nobody knows what any of it means.”
I would think that having the magician skills to get people to buy into your illusion is a pragmatic description of being alpha perhaps…. Without being tedious… I think you can empirically tell who has the best hustle by seeing who the most people follow no? I don’t think anyone disagrees with the phenomenon where individuals automatically gravitate towards certain individuals for leadership. Sure perhaps the there is a fluid debate on the particular detail descriptors… but I don’t think that the concept of having gravity is a mirage.
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“Realize that when a woman talks about her problems, the last thing she wants is suggestions on how to solve them”
I am not buying it. It potentially makes sense, I’m expecting someone to tell me how.
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Virgin@40: Commonly accepted truism that a woman is more likely to be looking for comfort (emotion-focused coping: she cries, has chocolate, wants a hug) than a solution (problem-focused coping).
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Yea virgin don’t give the woman a suggestion on how to solve the problem solve that shit.
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MNL
“Flexing my native masculinity” and “letting my alpha qualities show?” Superficial, arbitrary nonsense. I have no use for a woman who expects such things from me. Relationship game is only necessary if your girlfriend/wife is a harpy and you want to keep her around for some reason, or if your relationship is fucked up in some other way.
Shit tests are used to determine if the man is a player (in order to find players, not reject them), but beyond that they have no utility. In a relationship they are used for shits and giggles and drama. So what you’re saying is that all women are looking for players and/or are mentally unstable drama queens.
lurker
It has been demonstrated that you are a troll (and you are trolling right now), but you have not demonstrated that I am a troll. Where is your proof?
epiclolz
There is no magician here pulling the strings, there’s just a bunch of people.
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Roissy, I’ve been a follower of your blog for two years now. I agree with almost all of your positions (double-entendre alert) and apparently so do many other new followers.
While your popularity is admirable, posts that garner 600-1000 comments are a bit difficult to navigate, especially when many of those comments are juvenile pissing contests of the “are not/am too” variety. This discourages a lot of serious commenters who would like to stay on message.
You need a better system to manage comments. I would also cut off the number at 300.
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Holy shit this stuff is hilarious. Wait, this a comedy blog, right? I hope so.
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DA:
The return to the ancien regime eliminates my source of single women in need of friendship and emotional support. In other words, women who hold out for alphas keep me employed emotionally.
Jesus. Listen to yourself.
You know what you remind me of? Lil Abner’s “Shmoo”, always happiest when he’s being eaten by someone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo
Why should a beta male marry some girl, get fake orgasms, and spend his life taking care of her when an alpha is out there having great sex?
Why should I bother working for middle class wages when Donald Trump is out there showering himself in money?
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Whiskey:
But yeah, avoiding stupid bar fights is just smart.
What about when some dude is flagrantly hitting on your girl in front of you?
What if walking away from the confrontation makes you look like a bitch in her eyes?
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cuntrarian:
“Someone who is ready to argue at the drop of a hat is someone in need of constant reassurance.” – C.S.H.
Do you have anything substantial or meaningful to say?
Let me spell it out for you since you obviously fall somewhere on the autistic spectrum.
Being oblivious– consciously or otherwise — to the fact of status hierarchies in society (alpha/beta, etc.) is to tacitly confess to one’s own pathetic station in life. While there can be hair-splitting debates as to just what exactly constitutes the nature of these conceptual categories, to deny them wholesale is really a transparent attempt by the dissenter to shore up a nagging sense of one’s own inferiority in the status heirarchy. It is obvious to everyone outside of the person living in his bubble that that is exactly what he is doing.
A person who was *truly* oblivious to these distinctions would find the discussions here useless and pointless.
The fact that you obsessively rail against the discussions of alpha/beta distinctions here merely serves to illustrate that your supposedly heroic efforts in convincing others of the rightness of your point of view is really just a sad attempt for you to convince YOURSELF.
Think about it. Why would you bother to read a blog devoted to Game when one of the axioms underlying the discussion is that such alpha/beta categories exist in society? It would be like a flat-earther going to an astronomy blog and attempting a fruitful discourse. What would be the point?
Now go away.
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feministx:
-I would prefer marriage to a man because of sexual preference, not social pressure.
Is this to say the only determinant of your choice of marriage partner is sexual satisfaction? You apparently don’t need a man for money. What about personal compatability, mutuality of values and chemistry?
It is frustrating that I must do this. As a high caste attractive woman, I could ask my mother to find me a husband and I would have something like an ivy educated doctor in a matter of weeks. Snap the fingers and a brain surgeon with a wedding ring would appear. While people here chastise me for my alleged dishonesty in finding a male partner, they don’t see that I need to have a certain amount of integrity to forego my automatic ticket to upper middle class living, intelligent children and a responsible husband.
So what exactly is it you seek? What is “alpha” to you?
But I am true to myself and my need for a certain kind of alpha. So, here I am playing a game that I don’t have to play in order to get results that will look no better to the outside than what I could manage with 0 effort in an arranged marriage.
What is that difference?
As for what I have to offer, it’s simple. I offer the same thing that I need- sexual deviance. An alpha can bang a hot body and expect a girl to cook a meal, but if you need a girl you can string up and beat with a whip, then average hottie does not cut it. Now, not all sadists are alphas, but the correlation is pretty good in my experience. It’s an extreme form of dominance, after all.
Well this gets to the heart of it.
Do you think an inherent part of being an alpha is sadism?
You refer to your “sexual deviance.” Is this a deviance from the norm? If so, why would you take your unique proclivities to be the foundational basis of your feminism? Why not consider yourself an outlier freak with no implications for the rest of your gender?
Or do you consider this “deviance” the natural, inherent norm of women everywhere?
I agree with much of what Dworkin and Steinem wrote though I understand that they believed many things that are scientifically impossible.
Like women being able to overcome their inherent nature?
“Should in one hand, shit in the other. See which one fills up first.”
I am some kind of pro-empirical kind of radical feminist. Strangely, Dworkin and people like lurker would agree on some principles- they just have the opposite reaction to the same ideas. Ex, Dworkin said that male to female penetration was innately an act of dominance. Lurker says that a woman gets fucked. She is the submissive receptor. Lurker wants women to accept this. Dworkin wants society to lament this.
Where’s the harm as long as no one’s rights or Will is violated?
FemX laments it on an analytical level but desires it anyways.
In other words, you’re a hypocrite who wants to have it both ways.
You want to indulge your deepest desires but at the same time you also prefer to sanctimoniously pose as a freedom fighter for all those poor poor women.
I have more respect for Alias Clio who hems to her faith and chooses men based on their competence and honor irrespective of their sadism, even if some degree of ephemeral pleasure is sacrificed in the process.
But you — you want to tow the feminst party line, all the while indulging in the very desires that impel men to their most antisocial proclivities.
FeminstX, there are many many women who claim to enjoy sex with their (greater) beta husbands. Sex that involves no sadism. Do you think they are liars? Deluded? What?
Are you an outlier or the norm?
Or do you agree with David Alexander than women hate betas and just use them for their money and babysitting abilities?
Do you agree with Whiskey that when societal constraints are removed from women, that their inherent desires compel them to pursue the most violent and thuggish men, the types of men you apparently desire? Do you agree that such a society is primarily a regressive one, the type that presages civilizational collapse, like the fall of Rome?
FeministX, I wonder about something.
I like to think of myself as an evolved man. Confident, strong and unafraid to unleash violence when warranted. I like to think of myself as a good lover, and I don’t think the women in my life have any complaints. I’m dominant in the way I think a man should be. I’ve held my hand around the necks of women in the throes of ecstasy feeling their sternomastoid muscles tense while their vaginas where convulsing around my cock. On rare occasions I’ve come across true submissives who delighted in being dominated. But my thrill from such adventures was the feeling of power in knowing that it was *I* who was creating such pleasure in the writhing body underneath me. I never took pleasure in causing genuine pain. I am not a sadist. I never cottoned to the whole thug culture of refering to women as “whores” and “bitches.”
But if what you are saying is true — that the thought of “betas” fills you with such disgust that you want to vomit in your mouth, and that the only men who turn you on are sexual sadists who relish the opportunity to treat women like shit, and furthermore, that this is indeed the innermost desire of women in the main, such as yourself, then I have to say that I’m somewhat driven to that view myself.
If they really feel that way, then I can’t help but to revise my humanitarian tendencies and become the hateful beast who reviles women in the way you apparently desire.
But I haven’t crossed that rubicon just yet. What would you, FeministX, say to me to alter my course, because truth be told, I am slowly being pulled in that direction.
The Dark Side is calling me, FemX.
What say you?
“Women: If you choose men based on their power, what does that leave for you? If you choose men based on their competence and self-esteem, you invite your own development.” – C.S.H.
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Ob:
Thanks for taking the time out to reply, as well as for the kind words. Flattery can get you everywhere, even with Brothas like me.
Weren’t you the one asking why on earth FeministX should be here?
Chump.
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DA:
The theory is that a long-term relationship should be based on the ideal of a friendship and companion, and thus not the alpha-esque attraction methods of game. In other words, if you need game to keep her attracted, then she really doesn’t love you, but she loves the game and by default, alphas, and it breaks that cute little ideal one has of romantic love.
Let me get this straight.
You don’t like “normal girls” because they don’t exude sexuality, and you prefer your girls to be skanked up, acrylic nail-wearing sex-objects. Those are the only girls you would consider having a relationship with.
But you also believe a relationship is based onthe ideal of friendship and companionship, and presumably, shared intellectual values, to say nothing of shared IQ.
It’s time to grow up, son.
Yes David Alexander, there IS no Santa Claus.
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Apropos of nothing –
Last night I had the opportunity to indulge one of my most recent victims…er…I mean conquests…er…I mean *lovers* in my home. After the usual endgame of the evening, with both of us drenched in sweat, me panting with my dick in hand, admiring the all-white Jackson Pollock painting I spewed upon her buttocks, I began to wonder about the direction of my life. Is this what it comes to? Another meaningless sexual encounter with yet another vapid yet nubile 27 year old? Am I truly hurtling toward the black hole of hedonistic irrelevance?
It was at this moment that the memory of Alias Clio came upon me, and almost by magic, an apparition appeared. It was Clio — the Muse Herself — who emerged into the moment of space-time, with that chiming sprinkle one hears in Hanna Barbera cartoons, like the Great Gazoo from the Flintstones. She hovered over my shoulder bathed in an etheral glow, like a fairy Godmother, wand in hand, admonishing me for the path I had chosed. Though she spoke no words, we communicated telepathically.
She said, “Now Tupac, you know this is not the Right Way. You needn’t pursue such a depraved path. The River of Life has many tributaries and you have found yourself mired in a dead-end. This is no way to live. I believe in you. You are good, you are loved, you are worthy.”
And, for a moment, I was awakened. I saw another path was possible to me. I *could* give it all up. Through the magic of Clio’s forbearance, I did indeed see another life. A life where I too could exist in harmonious peace with a woman who was my equal. A women of pure heart and mind, a woman like Clio with the foresight to see all that is good and noble and beautiful. I saw myself, sitting next to the muse, in front of a warm fireplace, discussing the finer aspects of life, regaling each other with penetrating insights, wearing our cardigan sweaters and sipping hot cocoa.
Then I remembered that Clio is a diplomat’s daughter with the experience of a thousand travels across the word, education at the most elite institutions, and an elegance of soul that could only be hoped for in my most drug-addled moments of reverie.
It was then that the Clio appartion imploded into a vanishing, champagne-like *pop*.
I went downstairs, microwaved a Hot Pocket, took a dump, and called it a night.
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Tupac what is stopping you from setting yourself up to be able to become what you want to be?
You have what you envision you would like.
Achieve that shit.
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“””””””””””””Silver,
On a more serious note, there is an enormous disparity between the quality of your blog (outstanding) and that of your commentariat (what?), aside from perhaps “whiskey” (or, as I know him, testing99/evilneocon) and one or two others. That’s quite unusual. Where are you digging up the tards?””””””””””””””””””
Just remember at those cardigan parties these are the sort of people you will be feeling obliged to puch in the face. People who actually think they are better than other people or that anyone couldn’t get the same shit they have.
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Tupac
First rate post, Tupac. I hope you post a variant of it in current threads, and repeat variants in future threads.
As for myself I’ve syntesized a solution that sits easily in my soul. Women are all devlish whores, who love to be loved for being themselves – which includes being devilish whores. They like domination, even rough domination, and they like the tender lovings that come more naturally to men. Loving what we want women to be is a pre-pubescents love for rock star idols. They suck, deeply and vacuously.
It’s like learning to love food, and love the dump you take afterwards. They aren’t two separate processes. Women suck and spew ape wind, and we love the bitches.
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In that spirit I gift this little exercise in alpha trait enhancing sex.
Scream “Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you cunt! You whore!” next time you come.
You’ll find out that as you do rather than feeling hate inside you, you feel a deep bonding and love. As if you love her not even though she is a whore and cunt, but also because of it.
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Tokyo, I don’t play internet “tough guy,” so I’ll just say that I find your insults of my wife positively hilarious, coming from the guy who’s admitted total experience with women is nothing more than jerking off to pictures of under-age japanese school girls on the internet.
You’re a clueless idiot, and you seriously degrade the level of discourse here.
No, you fucking troll, “shit” tests are the female’s congruence testing of her potential mate to determine if he has suitable backbone to be a competent provider and protector. It’s instinctive. But you wouldn’t know that, because your “quality” women consists of digital whack off material pre-pubescent japanese school girls…so yes, these quality girls certainly don’t give YOU shit tests.
You have to actually engage in a relationship with a real women to actually know that.
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It’s time to grow up, son.
Yes David Alexander, there IS no Santa Claus.
I’m well aware of that problem, so since it’s nearly impossible to get that in real life, the next best option is to bang the skanked up sex objects with acrylic nails. Since I don’t want to use game to meet those women, then the second best option is to jerk off and just maintain platonic friendships with normal girls that I don’t find attractive. Of course, you may argue that opting out isn’t growing up, but I see nothing wrong with opting out if you can’t get what you want in certain cases, and this is one of them. It’s probably better than imposing myself and making some girl miserable.
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Dave Alex,
Well, if that is indeed such a good option for you, why do you need to post about it as much as you do? Especially in light of the fact that no one else has expressed an interest in having such an arrangement. What gives?
And, since you have expressed a desire to romantically partner w/White women, wouldn’t the IQ issue resolve itself? I mean, what’s the point in bringing it up if the gals you’re targeting already have the mental chops to have stimulating confabs w/u? Again, please explain?
O
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Just like you’re here to give your viewpoints on game, women, and our society, I’m here doing the same thing. Thus, whenever you guys talk about game and women, I’ll be here expressing the viewpoint of the sub-human sector of the male population explaining why the alternatives for correcting our decadent society hurt beta males and make our lives more miserable.
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“Sub Human Sector”? LOL!!!
That was good, Dave. Touche’.
But I still gotta call you on your BS “go out and save the Betas” thing fasade you have going here. It aint nothing but a public pity party, and I guess I gotta be the one to break it to ya, BUT NO ONE WANS TO HEAR IT. Only you, Dave. Only you.
So, again, it seems there’s some serious cognitive dissonance between your own stated chosen path on the one hand, and your Id driven need to address the supposed scourge of Beta Males everywhere, Goldigging Females. Even though I’ve thoroughly debunked said theories again and again, even w/your own life as key example. Still, there’s the deep seated hindbrain need to go there, on the Id level. I say its because of the deep well of Cognitive Dissonance within you, Dave. You’re not happy w/the path you chose for yourself. You’re not happy, period. You’re miserable. And what’s really sad about it is, that the pain is so familiar to you, that you’ll fight to keep that, rather than try for something better. Kinda like The Matrix, you remember what Morpheus said, right?
I se right through you, Dave. When yo gonna stop bullshittin’ so we can really talk shop?
Hmm?
O
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You’re not happy w/the path you chose for yourself.
School and careerwise, yes. In terms of women, I’m glad I avoided being dragged through the mud with women that would embarrass me or humiliate me in front of my peers or drive me crazy.
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Dave Alex,
You sure do like changing the goalposts, don’t you. Let’s count the ways.
You talk a bout the importance of a gal having a a “good” IQ, but by all accounts, you go in for White gals, which means that on average, they should have a pretty decent average IQ-what, around 100, at least? Right?
You then bring up the usual Gold Digger theme, but as you’ve announced that you won’t seek out sexual relationships of ny kind w/*any* Women whatsoever-that instead you’ll simply jackoff, have non dates, and get hugs from Women (hopefully they won’t charge you for that), the matter is effectively settled, right?
How is it possible for you or anyone else to consistently attract mentally unstable or deranged females, Dave? I mean, I’ve had far and away more Women than you, and I can count the number of headcases I’ve encountered on a few fingers. C’mon man, your really reaching for straws.
And finally, I didn’t ask you about your plans for school or you job. You know exactly what I’m talking about. Let me say it again, because I want us to be crystal clear here:
YOU are NOT HAPPY w/the romantic/sexual path you’ve chosen for yourself, Dave. You’ve rationalized and “reasoned” it well, but in terms of real happiness, you couldn’t possibly be more miserable, and who could blame you-no Man would willingly take themselves out of the evolutionary hunt, no matter what the risks-and that’s what this all comes down to, Dave.
You, Dave, are afraid of risk of *any* kind. This explains why you assiduously avoid Women sexually, jackoff the porn, and so on. Hey, again I’m cool with your choices, I just get tired of listening to you bullshit yourself as to the reasoning for it. I, and so many others here I suspect, would actually have more respect for you if you simply came clean-youre deathly afraid to take any chances in life, and especially w/Women, sexually. You can make up all kinds of reasons, and excuses and rationaliztions, but like I told you before Dave, I done see it all and done most of it, you aint foolin me.
If you want to be an evolutionary failure in life, that’s cool. You talki a mean game about having dignity. Have some now and simply be a Man for once in your life, and take full responsibility for the path you, and no one else, has chosen for your life.
And knock the constant posting about all this crap off.
O
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