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How To Prey On Women’s Insecurities

May 22, 2009 by CH

Women are not special little snowflakes in either the vaginas they possess or the insecurities which burden them. Women mostly share the same self-doubts: “I’m fat”, “I’m past my prime”, “He doesn’t appreciate me for my mind”, “He’s going to use me”, “OMG cankles!”, “My boobs are small/saggy/veiny/covered by an acre of areola”, “I hope guys can see how smart — SMRT smart! — I am”, “I hope he doesn’t think I’m a slut”, “She’s wearing the same shirt as me! Panic at the disco!”, etc etc.

You mission, should you refuse to be weighed down by useless pangs of guilt, is to make a woman’s insecurities your ally in the pursuit of closing the deal. You want to drive a wedge between her and her self-confidence. The reason is elementary: Women wish to date up. So a man can either raise his own status to appeal to the girl he is trying to pick up (see: Game, medical school), or he can lower the girl’s status so his status seems higher in comparison (see: Game, Skittles Man). He can also do both, but this might be overkill on women who are less than an 8. The last time I exercised both options on the same woman, it was with regular reader and bean diddler Sara, and you all can see the results of that in the comments.

Women are the gatekeepers to sex, but what exactly is the gate? It’s her self-perceived status relative to yours. Or, her beauty. Quite simply, if a woman perceives she is more beautiful than the kind of woman you can be expected to snag, she will give you a harder time than she would to a higher value man who looked and acted like the sort of man used to dating women of her beauty caliber. This dynamic also works with status metrics like educational attainment, because women project their desires onto men and assume men will up- or downgrade them on things that are important to women. We know better, of course.

Men have two intrinsic playing field advantages in the sexual marketplace. One, men have a longer window of sexual desirability. A typical 35 year old man has better prospects than a typical 35 year old woman. He won’t need to settle as far down the mate ladder as she will. Two, men can better withstand blows to the ego. We are designed to take a licking and keep on ticking, as we are, barring rare exceptions, the initiators of courtship. If you want to bang hotter women than you are accustomed to, you must leverage both of these advantages to the maximum.

Knowing this, you can easily improve your odds with any woman by subtly exposing her insecurities using the implements of psychological mindfucking. The trick is to avoid direct assault on her soft underbelly. You don’t tell a girl “I like your low rider jeans, but aren’t you worried that it accentuates your muffin top?” No, you need to breach her defense perimeter indirectly, like a Trojan horse:

“I’m sort of an exercise buff, so I appreciate a woman who feels the same way about keeping fit.”

Any woman with fat issues will hear this: “Does he think I’m not into keeping fit? Are my belly rolls undulating??”

More examples of the art of exposing female insecurities:

Use on a girl who looks like she might be self-conscious about her boobs: “Yeah, fake boobs are weird. If only women knew that most men prefer real, firm, round boobs.”

Use on girls pushing up against 30: “I think younger women are overrated. Sure, they have great figures and are spontaneous and always up for fun, but their lack of… maturity… can get tiresome after a while.”

Use on girls who have a slutty past (thanks to me, you’ll be able to tell) and are worried about being pigeonholed as a one night… hole: “Most guys are too judgmental about a woman’s life choices. I don’t believe in that. Only weak people feel a need to live according to other people’s expectations.” (Irony intended.)

Use on girls who are insecure about their smarts: “I just finished reading Joyce, but I’m not going to bother you with that. It’s a little high brow.”

Use on girls who are insecure about being perceived as high maintenance: “You like playing frisbee? Funny, I never would have taken you for the down to earth type.”

Use on girls who have bad fashion sense and worry about it (*every* girl worries about how she dresses): “I think it’s refreshing that you’re secure enough to wear flip-flops without irony. Not every girl cares about keeping up with the latest trends.”

Note for the haters: If my experience is any guide, women of high self esteem will fold like cheap lawn chairs to ego-evisceration game even quicker than putatively low self esteem women. Especially the grad school and lawyer chicks.

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  1. on May 22, 2009 at 2:40 pm Lady Rain

    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?” The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know. Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems? If your method was so amazing and awesome you’d be able to land women WITHOUT mental problems without needing a “game”.

    Once again, Roissy I congratulate you on your ability to draw followers who don’t think about what your “experiences” actually entail because you wrap it up in with some good writing skills.

    Why are you telling men they’ll feel “raw power” over a woman when you are teaching these men to essentially be the “whore”? You are teaching them to accept being a “pity fuck” or a woman’s “drunken mistake” based on a belief that as long as you’re getting pussy, who cares?

    Well anyone can get pussy and do it without turning themselves into the “guy that I dated for two weeks before I realized he was an asshole/loser/liar.”

    You are essentially turning these men into the male version of “whores” who lie to themselves and think “well I got some pussy” while the woman is saying “well I’ll never make THAT mistake again”. Way to shoot for the stars, Roissy.

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  2. on May 22, 2009 at 2:40 pm Aengima

    Leykis 101. Back handed compliments to keep their ego in check.

    FYI I think the meat market is the counter balance to the tactic here- the large amounts of male sexual attention re inflates their egos and makes them think that they’re hotter then they really are (if they’re in the 6-8 range) making your job of keeping a higher level of status that much more difficult.

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  3. on May 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm roissy

    lady pain in the ass:
    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”

    got one right here:

    “the way you leave your tongue hanging out of your mouth is so… interesting.”

    The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know.

    you sound like you need a good rogering.

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  4. on May 22, 2009 at 2:50 pm Seeking Alpha

    “guy that I dated for two weeks before I realized he was an asshole/loser/liar.”

    More like guy that I dated for two weeks because he was an asshole/loser/liar.” (and stopped calling)

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  5. on May 22, 2009 at 2:51 pm roissy

    FYI I think the meat market is the counter balance to the tactic here- the large amounts of male sexual attention re inflates their egos

    perhaps, but a counter-counterbalance is that a meat market will amplify the effectiveness of solid ego-evisceration game because it sets you apart from all the meatheads lavishing her with primitive bone-headed attention.

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  6. on May 22, 2009 at 2:53 pm Lady Rain

    Also, your examples provided so far are not ones that would “upset” me. I’d just laugh at the guy and tell him that the dick is a dime a dozen. Which is the same type comment I’d expect if a woman behaves in this way by saying “No I don’t care about penis-size….it’s dumb”. translation= “Your penis is small.” Women play these same games and sadly they also end up with the guys with “issues” by doing this.

    Not all women think they’re fat, dumb, and old. At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago. I personally hold a high (but not delusional) opinion of myself and expect to be treated exactly that way. In the same way I’d expect a man I date to also have respect for HIMSELF and not be so mentally/emotionally weak to fall for “backhanded compliments” intended to beat the other person down mentally. What would I want with a man like this?? And what self-respecting man would want a woman who is so easily broken??

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  7. on May 22, 2009 at 2:53 pm Mr.M

    Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems?

    I’d shoot for a woman without mental problems, but they don’t exist……. Need an example? Read comment #1.

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  8. on May 22, 2009 at 2:55 pm Mr.M

    and comment #6….

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  9. on May 22, 2009 at 2:56 pm PA

    At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago.

    Don’t want children? then you have no reason for you to “settle down.” Want to have children? IVFs are expensive.

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  10. on May 22, 2009 at 2:56 pm Lady Rain

    Roissy,

    No thank you, I don’t go slumming. “You don’t laid” type insults only work on men. Women don’t have that problem no matter what and I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know that as every man knows this practically upon birth.

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  11. on May 22, 2009 at 2:58 pm Lady Rain

    PA,

    What does settling down have to do with having children? I already have a son and am not interested in having more children. I already have a child, so what would I need to settle down with someone for now?

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  12. on May 22, 2009 at 2:58 pm Tarl

    At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago.

    Translation: she got dumped recently by some guy she dated for 5 years, and now realizes the search for a mate is back to square one while the biological clock is still tick tick ticking.

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  13. on May 22, 2009 at 2:59 pm Thursday

    Two, men can better withstand blows to the ego. We are designed to take a licking and keep on ticking, as we are, barring rare exceptions, the initiators of courtship.

    Which is why running up a ton of rejections at the beginning is so important. For a guy, learning how little rejection matters is a major step up towards alphahood.

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  14. on May 22, 2009 at 3:00 pm Lady Rain

    Mr. M–

    Yes clearly the woman who thinks both men and women should have respect for themselves and not intentionally manipulate shows a real MENTAL PROBLEM. A bit out of touch? No, you just don’t have an actual answer to that other than “umm uhhh…. you’re crazy! you’re stupid!”.

    Mr. M… I have to assume you’re probably under 18 for making not one but two comments that are that stupid.

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  15. on May 22, 2009 at 3:00 pm PA

    I already have a son and am not interested in having more children.

    Well, then never mind. Clearly I misread you — you don’t need to settle down because you already have a husband to raise your son with.

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  16. on May 22, 2009 at 3:01 pm Mr.M

    Thursday,

    I think that’s the single largest obstacle that a guy faces in the dating scene. Once thats over, unless he’s socially inept (pretty big if it seems, nowadays), success will come naturally.

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  17. on May 22, 2009 at 3:02 pm cz

    Rogering? No time for Houllebecq because you’re reading Stephenson?

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  18. on May 22, 2009 at 3:02 pm Lady Rain

    Tarl,

    Sorry, but I have never been dumped and my last serious relationship ended about a year ago and that was MY choice because he wanted to get married and I didn’t. One year later he is still trying to be with me and does so much for me by choice even though I told him I don’t want to be/never will be with him. He’s a wonderful guy, but I’m not “settling” just because he loves ME…. I just don’t love him in a deeply romantic way, so I don’t want to waste his time.

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  19. on May 22, 2009 at 3:04 pm Tarl

    Never been dumped? Uh huh.

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  20. on May 22, 2009 at 3:05 pm Mr.M

    Lady in pain –

    weren’t you in an abusive relationship or something? single mother? trolling dating-based comment boards? shouldn’t you invest more of your time in your son?

    clearly your opinion matters.

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  21. on May 22, 2009 at 3:06 pm advice for the ladies

    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -“You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”
    -“You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”

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  22. on May 22, 2009 at 3:06 pm MNL

    >Men have two intrinsic playing field advantages in the sexual marketplace.

    Just two?

    Another characteristic of men that this topic brings out is that most men don’t share the same ability to read subtext as do women. Hardly any of Roissy’s particular neg examples would work on men–partly because we’ve got (slightly) more solid egos, yes–but more so because we’re clueless. Comments like these go over our heads! For better or worse, most men just don’t pick-up on the subcommunication involved. Men take comments like these at face value:

    Her: “I’m sort of an exercise buff, so I appreciate a man who feels the same way about keeping fit.”

    Him: “Great! Me too!”

    It’s an eye-opener (and a struggle!) when you begin attempting to listen the intention behind a woman’s comments. Ask yourself–if you can sustain the caloric effort–what values is she communicating by saying that? What emotion is she feeling? Personally, I can only muster such energy in brief spurts.

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  23. on May 22, 2009 at 3:06 pm Lady Rain

    PA,

    OOOOh so tricky!!! Okay I’ll play along. Yes I have a son, but NO I was never married and don’t have an ex husband. I do not collect child support, am not on any welfare, and live by myself with my son in a place that I pay for, not any ex or husband. I have full legal and physical custody with no exceptions. I left his father a few weeks after my son was born and that was last I bothered to know anything about him. I don’t know whether he’s alive or dead, and it doesn’t matter either way. That was nearly 6 years ago and I barely remember what he looks like. Hopefully I can keep it that way!

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  24. on May 22, 2009 at 3:07 pm Seeking Alpha

    trolling dating-based comment boards? shouldn’t you invest more of your time in your son?

    What better place for her to learn how to raise a man?

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  25. on May 22, 2009 at 3:09 pm PA

    Who is gonna need to teach your boy to be a man?

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  26. on May 22, 2009 at 3:09 pm MNL

    From advice for the ladies
    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -”You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”
    -”You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”

    Advice for the men:
    Shit tests. Both.

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  27. on May 22, 2009 at 3:09 pm Lady Rain

    Mr. M–

    Trolling dating boards?? I’m sorry is this E harmony and I missed it?! As for something that is none of your business, my son is here with me, thanks for asking.

    Actually I came across this blog because there is a comedy forum with a thread linking to this blog as “one of the funniest and worst things I’ve ever read”. Sure if you consider a comedy site “dating” I suppose that would apply. Nice attempt at a “dig” though.

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  28. on May 22, 2009 at 3:09 pm PA

    Who is gonna teach your boy to be a man?

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  29. on May 22, 2009 at 3:10 pm maurice

    this is basically surgical-strike negging, as far as i can tell. but what’s the difference between this and regular negging as described in “The Game” etc.? aren’t they always supposed to be calibrated to the person? maybe in this case they cut a little deeper psychologically, which may increase the social distance per roissy’s analysis but runs the risk of taking the experience that much further away from playful flirting. but that’s what we would expect from a leading proponent of asshole game. dominance apparently taking precedence over comfort in the initial stages, in that view. i guess every man has to pick an approach that is ultimately congruent with his own personality.

    @LadyRain – you are missing a great deal of the point of this blog and the posts. courtship is a game, often a cruel one, and just because both sexes use all the resources available to them doesn’t mean they don’t want happy endings for each other. it’s a lot more complicated than that psychologically.

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  30. on May 22, 2009 at 3:10 pm Mr.M

    clearly, her son will either be a true player or a true omega.

    it just depends if he realizes what a headcase his mom is or not (and how early he does realize).

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  31. on May 22, 2009 at 3:11 pm DT

    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”

    Looking for a date this weekend?

    as long as you’re getting pussy, who cares?

    Your post would have been great if you had limited it to this one line. Try harder to edit yourself next time.

    At 28 I am in even less of a hurry to “settle down” than I was 5 years ago.

    Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick…

    I personally hold a high (but not delusional) opinion of myself and expect to be treated exactly that way.

    A girl claiming she’s not a delusional, high maintenance whore when she most certainly is…now THERE’S something you don’t see every day :-/

    What would I want with a man like this??

    A cum shot?

    And what self-respecting man would want a woman who is so easily broken??

    See: as long as you’re getting pussy

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  32. on May 22, 2009 at 3:11 pm gig

    Who would accept becoming the stepfather of a thug’s son?

    ………………. a beta!!!

    Lady, face reality, every men who has a little bit more dignity than David Alexander, once hearing that you have a son, and there is no story you could tell to make i sound better, will dump you. Only the desperate or the losers will accept you. As you age, you will see that even among losers there is an hierarchy, since the losers trying LTR with you will get creepier and creepier

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  33. on May 22, 2009 at 3:12 pm roissy

    man-hating butch lesbian posing as a straight woman:
    Roissy,

    that’s Mr. Roissy to you.

    No thank you, I don’t go slumming.

    your overused dildo says otherwise.

    “You don’t laid” type insults only work on men.

    they also work on dull, bitchy women who write like they haven’t had a solid penetration since the reagan administration.

    Women don’t have that problem no matter what and I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know that as every man knows this practically upon birth.

    some women are so ugly, fat, and/or old that they can’t get laid by any man. not even the bottom of the barrel piss-stained homeless bums, quasimodos and hermaphrodites will have them.
    and you should be careful to avoid confusing ease of lay with ease of commitment. you might manage to get a halfway decent man to dump a hate fuck in your bitter, charmless, caustically unfeminine pussy, but you’ll have a harder time getting him to stick around for a sequel.

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  34. on May 22, 2009 at 3:13 pm Lady Rain

    PA,

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him! Fortunately I have a lot of family close that I see frequently. My sister has 4 children so he sees his cousins and Uncle frequently. He also see my parents pretty frequently as they live close-by too. There is no man I’d consider a better role model for my son than his grandfather is.

    I only allow men around my son who he knows well and don’t “bring men around him” even for casual dating unless I plan to be in a LTR with them. There is no excuse for single parent of either gender putting their sexual/romantic needs first.

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  35. on May 22, 2009 at 3:15 pm roissy

    andrea dworkin:
    I already have a child, so what would I need to settle down with someone for now?

    single mom? explains a lot.

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  36. on May 22, 2009 at 3:16 pm Mr.M

    Lady in pain –

    its truly sad how you think that is actually a substitute, of sorts, of a real father.

    on a serious note, what will you tell your son when he asks about his father?

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  37. on May 22, 2009 at 3:18 pm Tarl

    There is no man I’d consider a better role model for my son than his grandfather is.

    Yet apparently this paragon didn’t teach you how to pick a good man to be the father of your son.

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  38. on May 22, 2009 at 3:19 pm Firepower

    i’m inserting my witty aside, or bon mot, here, purely for easy retrieval, prior to it’s premature burial under the ubiquitous shite mountain of race discussion, roissy-hate and/or pertinent discussion of gnp and/or gross national product.

    happy holiday

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  39. on May 22, 2009 at 3:19 pm Tarl

    what will you tell your son when he asks about his father?

    “Shut up and put on the pretty frock!”

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  40. on May 22, 2009 at 3:20 pm PA

    The women who comment here come in three kinds:

    1) The Cute Friendlies: regulars who have been here for a while and accept the premises of gender-copmplementarity and Game; they are for the most part worthwhile as commenters; their level of reasoning skill, flirtation and sexiness of demeanor varies, but for the most part, they make this blog even more fun, since sausage blogs suck. Some in fact have very sophisticated, adult minds. Examples: Chic, OMW, Clio, Bhetti

    2) The Stylish Haters: they always have somethign to say, never anythign actually worth reading and pondering, but they say it with feminine charm; I’m cool with them. A little spice goes a long way. Example: Sara

    3) The Ugly Harridians: they write five-paragraph, shaming-language, arms-akimbo, snooty-toned comments that can be boiled down to one word: “waaaaah!” They are for the most part charmless feminists; I call them ugly because even though I don’t know what they look like, I sense a repellent unfeminine vibe in their writing. Examples: well, you fill it in.

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  41. on May 22, 2009 at 3:22 pm maurice

    some memorial day weekend humor for you all:

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910202

    enjoy!

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  42. on May 22, 2009 at 3:26 pm roissy

    anony tarts herself up:
    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -”You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”

    “have you read ‘everyone poops’? it’s a classic.”

    -”You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”

    “i bet you say that to all the guys.”

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  43. on May 22, 2009 at 3:26 pm Lady Rain

    Roissy,

    I really expected something more intelligent than THAT. You don’t strike me as stupid and yet if I have ovaries I MUST be a “man-hating lesbian” If there were actually as many “butchy dykes” as you claim there are, reproduction would have halted already.

    It’s strange you call me “bitter” for advocating that both men and women need to learn that playing games isn’t going to get you anywhere in life in adult interactions.

    I realize you WANT me to be as bitter and hateful toward an entire gender as you are, but I have the intellect to know that asshole men like you are a dime a dozen and most men are either amused or embarrassed by what you represent.

    Once again, darling…. I get laid whenever I like. I’m a woman and that’s life. I wasn’t referring to “getting laid” and having a LTR going hand in hand. Yes, I do expect to be treated like a princess and I openly tell this to men I might be interested in dating. I am never manipulative about it and am up front and honest so that they can ditch out if they choose or don’t like it. Amazingly, in the way this works with women (for you) the more of a cunt I am about my demands, the more attractive/quality men I attract.

    Women have always known this and it works for both sexes. Everyone is “on their best behavior” and not quite themselves when they date someone new…. that’s human nature. However you take it to a dark and ridiculous place where everything about who you are is about your penis. This just gives REAL man-haters something to validate their point when they say “men are drooling, barbaric, penis-on-wheels” and nothing more.

    Maybe this is true for you, but not for everyone. Also, I have seen your picture and you look like every other pasty-white guy that is still trying to look like a “college pretty boy” all the while having a mid-life crisis. If you were incredibly gorgeous and rich you’d have more room to insult others.

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  44. on May 22, 2009 at 3:26 pm gig

    anedocte

    My aunt’s friend (and also work mate) is a strong, independent woman, who fell to a jerk a quarter of a century ago. He made two sons on her. He didn’t work, she has a very nice job in the government. She sent him packing when the kids were very little. As a strong, independent woman, she decided to raise them alone.

    One got very close to her, the other more distant. The first was really bad with women, but extremely inteligent. The other didn’t like the mother very much, was kind of lazy, but banged chicks like hell

    The loving son had a heart problem, a problem that was common in his father’s family. The mother didn’t know, since she sent daddy packing very early. The guy had two mini heart attacks, which he hid from mommy. Until the third killed him. 23 years old.

    his brother, who currently keeps two girlfriends, visits his mother only to leave dirty clothes, and to have lunch with his harem on weekends.

    Mommy cries alone in the night. This is not a metaphor. My aunt told me.

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  45. on May 22, 2009 at 3:26 pm Firepower

    PA

    The women who comment here come in three kinds:

    don’t forget the 4th kind: precocious ingenues like lilgirl, kassy, lovelysexy and fine who want to roll around in the testosterone to discover that missing thrill

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  46. on May 22, 2009 at 3:28 pm PA

    Precocious Ingenues: yes, definitely a fourth category.

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  47. on May 22, 2009 at 3:30 pm gig

    another anedocte, I only started doing fine with girls after I left home. Momma’s boys tend to do poorly with women. And the opposite seems to be true. Trouble with mommy in childhood means lots of pussy later on.

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  48. on May 22, 2009 at 3:31 pm roissy

    andrew dworkin:
    As for something that is none of your business, my son is here with me, thanks for asking.

    your son is either going to grow up to be a Beta of the Month candidate, or a criminal.

    for his sake, you should pray it’s the latter.

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  49. on May 22, 2009 at 3:31 pm Novice

    “He can also do both, but this might be overkill on women who are less than an 8.”

    Why would it be overkill?

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  50. on May 22, 2009 at 3:31 pm Mr.M

    gig,

    sounds right on point with the whole madonna/whore complex theory. seems like #1 son loved his mother and couldn’t game women as a result. #2 was the opposite.

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  51. on May 22, 2009 at 3:32 pm PA

    Single motherhood:

    When the boy is 0-12 years old, she controls him by yelling at him. And yelling, And more “geeeeeet over here dammit, turn off that damn TV, why haven’t you doooone your homework yeeeet, look at those mudtracks on the carpet, I just don’t know what to do with you anymore (sob!)”

    From 13-on, he is no longer afraid of her, and from this point on, he’s uncontrollable.

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  52. on May 22, 2009 at 3:33 pm gig

    gig maxim #15: children inherit 50% of the father’s DNA.

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  53. on May 22, 2009 at 3:33 pm Lisa

    As Martin Luther King said, and this is something I feel echoes my personal credo:

    “I’ve seen too much hate to want to hate, myself, and every time I see it, I say to myself, hate is too great a burden to bear. Somehow we must be able to stand up against our most bitter opponents and say:”We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you…. But be assured that we’ll wear you down by our capacity to suffer, and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves; we will appeal to your heart and conscience that we will win you in the process, and our victory will be a double victory. ”

    Most important of all though, take that comma out of the first phrase and you get to the real crux of the matter: “I’ve seen too much hate to want to hate myself.”
    Then fuck the rest. Just a thought.

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  54. on May 22, 2009 at 3:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””””‘on May 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm roissy
    lady pain in the ass:
    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”

    got one right here:

    “the way you leave your tongue hanging out of your mouth is so… interesting.””””””””””””””””””””

    Hopefully I can die laughing on this blog when I am 90

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  55. on May 22, 2009 at 3:35 pm Mr.M

    Lady who has no reading comprehension –

    since when did i say this was a dating board?

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  56. on May 22, 2009 at 3:35 pm gig

    corollary: daddy can go away. DNA stays. And daddy can be re-born in his sons through DNA.

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  57. on May 22, 2009 at 3:37 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Lady Rain said:

    “PA,

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him!”

    She admits that asshole game worked on her and the lack of child support is evidence that he was a real thug.

    Last boyfriend is a chump that she “doesn’t feel that way toward” and is still pedestaling her. She still longs for the thugs.

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  58. on May 22, 2009 at 3:37 pm kam

    When I was younger, I was casually seeing a not particularly attractive guy. Looks wise, I was pretty above him, but he was older and funny and charming. At one point, his friend told me not to get offended or get my hopes up, but this guy only dated REALLY attractive women. It’s embarrassing, but I totally fell for it. I became so careful about my appearance and so defensive about my own looks, that I forgot that it was really his shortcoming, not mine.

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  59. on May 22, 2009 at 3:38 pm Firepower

    Lisa

    As Martin Luther King said…

    good quote – MLK also said “sugar, now this is between us – don’t let the parishoners find out. Ok, on your knees, baby – um, that’s it.”

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  60. on May 22, 2009 at 3:38 pm Mike

    I have an anecdote- I once read the blog of some retard who thinks he’s a psychologist but isn’t clever enough to actually learn anything about the field except the pop-psychology you get in teen magazines. And then I invented a lot of “pussy” to flesh the story out, y’know- like a fourteen year old does.

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  61. on May 22, 2009 at 3:39 pm Lady Rain

    It’s not “substitute” if I wanted that I’d just marry some guy with a good reputation or something. I chose a bad mate once…. okay. I wanted a child… so did he… we had one… he started drinking like crazy… and the moment he laid a hand on me once, I left and never spoke to him again. End of story.

    PA–You describing me as an unsexy feminist is soooo funny for so many reasons you could never possibly begin to understand. Actually I believe and voice to people I know that I think there is NO excuse for a woman burping/farting/and NOT being embarrassed by it. Women are meant to smell sweet, be soft and silky, and look presentable whenever possible. Looking like a man and acting like a man is unacceptable to me (when it’s a woman obviously).

    In turn I expect men to open doors, carry the groceries, and do gross things like the trash. I do believe men and women are equal but they are very very different and calling them the “same” is one big lie I don’t agree with at all.

    I mean, if you want to think I’m an angry feminist feel-free but just calling me a cunt would be much more accurate because I hate men that look like/dress like men and call it “feminism”. That’s just plain retarded to me. A real “feminist” is comfortable with being a women, likes looking like a girl, and likes being able to be both intelligent and attractive at the same time.

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  62. on May 22, 2009 at 3:40 pm PA

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him!

    Wasn’t she just saying in another thread that the Skittles Man is a loser?

    Well, maybe so, but it looks like Skittles Man got her egg, her womb, and her 18 years of childraising.

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  63. on May 22, 2009 at 3:41 pm Mike

    Alright, just finished reading the whole post. You stupid boy xD.

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  64. on May 22, 2009 at 3:41 pm Firepower

    hey, let’s not be unfair and ALL pile on Lady Rain. she’s a championship gladiatorette from another realm.

    i wanna watch our munificent host spar with her. he hardly needs any help.

    it’s like Thracian v Murmilo

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  65. on May 22, 2009 at 3:41 pm doug1

    Lady Rain

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him!

    Great choice in men slut. Slut who was too stupid and clueless to make effective use of any of the umpteen kinds of birth control available, when it mattered.

    Genes matter. Your bastard son has his. Those of the man you felt the need to flee immediately. Those of the man who’s too shiftless to seek child support from, since it would be fruitless. Because without a shadow of a doubt, a misandrous harridan such as yourself would go after him for all the feminist law now outrageously allows (percentage of his income wise) if it was worth your while.

    Fatherhood matters. Your unfortunate bastard will never know one, thanks to what you did then, and are doing now.

    The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know. Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems?

    You think women such as yourself should not be preyed upon by men? I think you’ve let yourself be right cheap and easy target practice, and done forever. And have a bastard son to prove it. Slut.

    You are essentially turning these men into the male version of “whores” who lie to themselves and think “well I got some pussy” while the woman is saying “well I’ll never make THAT mistake again”. Way to shoot for the stars, Roissy.

    Men you want to call whores (and get much of anyone getting laid to agree with you) are thought studs, especially by other women. Embrace the fundamental and eternal double standard, slut, we all have. Those of us that have laid a lot of hotties, anyway.

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  66. on May 22, 2009 at 3:43 pm PA

    The reason you come off as an “unsexy feminist” is because your comments are hostile in style. The reason you come off as someone to not pay much attentlin to is because your confessed life-choices are in contradiction to what you argue.

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  67. on May 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm Thursday

    Just reread Roissy’s Compassion Creates More Cads post and something really hit home:

    The men, for their part, will turn away from emphasizing their ability to provide as they discover their mediocre-paying corporate jobs are no longer effective displays of mating value. They will instead emphasize the skills of “personality dominance”.

    Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.” If even I am considering this, is this a harbinger of the decline of Western Civ?

    The incentives for men to be those hard working little working bees that built this edifice of civilization are just disappearing.

    P.S. The two best guys I know with women both have almost no money whatsoever. Except for their ability to get women, their lives are complete basket cases. One doesn’t work and just barely survives by occasionally teaching pickup. (He may be getting an internship with RSD.) The other is a part time bouncer at a grungy pub.

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  68. on May 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””Lady Rain
    PA,

    OOOOh so tricky!!! Okay I’ll play along. Yes I have a son, but NO I was never married and don’t have an ex husband. I do not collect child support, am not on any welfare, and live by myself with my son in a place that I pay for, not any ex or husband. I have full legal and physical custody with no exceptions. I left his father a few weeks after my son was born and that was last I bothered to know anything about him. I don’t know whether he’s alive or dead, and it doesn’t matter either way. That was nearly 6 years ago and I barely remember what he looks like. Hopefully I can keep it that way!”””””””””””””‘

    WOW be carefull out there guys. This woman obviously planned on getting reggers with first dude that comes along. Uses man during pregnancy then gets rid of him but has no problem cashing his checks and not letting him see his kid. Holy fucking shit.

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  69. on May 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm sara I

    You want to drive a wedge between her and her self-confidence.

    Yeah sure, roissy. Sometimes I think you must fake being one of the top assholes in the world because you crave the attention it gets you. It works, huh?

    Use on a girl who looks like she might be self-conscious about her boobs: “Yeah, fake boobs are weird. If only women knew that most men prefer real, firm, round boobs.”

    Passive-agressive, i.e. veiled insult.

    “I think younger women are overrated. Sure, they have great figures and are spontaneous and always up for fun, but their lack of… maturity… can get tiresome after a while.”

    REALLY passive aggressive. This one screams ASS HOLE. 😀 Whoops I’m wetting my pants again.

    “Most guys are too judgmental about a woman’s life choices. I don’t believe in that.

    Oh please. Let’s be politically socially correct, shall we? {Insert pole.}

    “I just finished reading Joyce, but I’m not going to bother you with that. It’s a little high brow.”

    A good comeback for this would be, “What a relief!”

    If my experience is any guide, women of high self esteem will fold like cheap lawn chairs to ego-evisceration game

    Don’t flatter yourself, hun. High self esteem women don’t date passive aggressive assholes. Passive aggressive does not equal alpha for God’s sake. I think you forgot to set your alarm again.

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  70. on May 22, 2009 at 3:46 pm Mr.M

    It’s not “substitute” if I wanted that I’d just marry some guy with a good reputation or something.

    having an uncle and/or grandfather as his only male role models will not be a good thing

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  71. on May 22, 2009 at 3:47 pm Steve Johnson

    Lady Rain-

    “It’s strange you call me “bitter” for advocating that both men and women need to learn that playing games isn’t going to get you anywhere in life in adult interactions.”

    Doesn’t get you anything but pussy.

    Got a problem with that? Take it up with women.

    “I realize you WANT me to be as bitter and hateful toward an entire gender as you are”

    You claim that the man who’s the father of your son is an abuser that you never see. You don’t sound bitter or hateful at all.

    “…but I have the intellect to know that asshole men like you are a dime a dozen and most men are either amused or embarrassed by what you represent.”

    Feel the shame of all these other people whom I speak for! Feel it!

    “Yes, I do expect to be treated like a princess and I openly tell this to men I might be interested in dating. I am never manipulative about it and am up front and honest so that they can ditch out if they choose or don’t like it. Amazingly, in the way this works with women (for you) the more of a cunt I am about my demands, the more attractive/quality men I attract.”

    Yep, you attract tons of quality men none of whom has committed to you and one of whom is an “abuser” who knocked you up. How well did he meet your princess demands?

    Hmm, listen to what you say you want or observe what worked to get sperm swimming up your uterus? Tough choice.

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  72. on May 22, 2009 at 3:53 pm Thursday

    The Cute Friendlies

    There are actually two groups here.

    The first group (Hope, Clio, omw) have a lot of smarts and can be pretty sharp observers too. They almost always contribute something substantial to the discussion, and I always take a look at what they have to say.

    The second group (Chic, Nicole, Bhetti) just spout a bunch of incoherent shit of varying quality. These ladies seem like OK enough people, but they don’t really contribute much. I pretty much ignore them.

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  73. on May 22, 2009 at 3:54 pm km

    Lady Rain – abusers aren’t toggled switched. It goes to the core. You fell for it, without seeing it ahead of time.

    The sort of amusing thing is that your deadly combination of cluelessness and arogance leaves you open for a guy with game to exploit – and you won’t even see it coming.

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  74. on May 22, 2009 at 3:57 pm Lady Rain

    Mr. M– please read up to your own comment on “trolling”

    Lawyer–

    I never said I didn’t make a bad choice in choosing him, however he didn’t become abusive until nearly 2 years together. The moment he did, I left so if HE’S the big winner here by not seeing his son, living as a deadbeat, and dying an old alcoholic alone is hardly “sure showing me”!!!

    No, I chose not to seek child support because I knew that it would give him SOME leverage if he ever wanted to suddenly be involved with my son someday. Therefore to play it safe, I don’t take money from him, have no contact with him, and don’t even know where he is…. hopefully I can keep it that way. I had his birth certificate printed without his father’s name even though his father DID sign the paternity papers at the hospital. Again… my son’s safety comes first and if any of you are implying that STAYING with the abusive man would have been BETTER for my son, you are just flat out lying.

    Roissy if you honestly think that criminals all come from single mothers, you are sadly out of touch yet again.

    I don’t deny that having a “perfect marriage” with a “perfect father” is BETTER than single parenting (for the child) however this is not a perfect world and if you think that single dads don’t “struggle” and raise kids with issues you’re retarded. More importantly if you think that classic mom/dad families all have the answers to parenting and don’t produce criminals you are even MORE deluded.

    I hardly think my ex gamed me since he begged for me to come back and even kept the house “just in case” I decided to return (for awhile until he realized I would never go back to him). I’m assuming he gave up and moved somewhere after that.

    I look at the situation as a really positive one because I got a really wonderful son out the situation and I don’t have to “share” him with some court looking over my shoulder. I’m sorry if you find it offensive that I like to live in my OWN home bought with my own money with my own son, but I’m just not interested in the marital aspect, I never was.

    It’s not 1960 anymore. Little girls don’t dream of weddings and babies….. at least I didn’t. I looked at it as a silly contract of slavery for both people. Mostly it’s just unnecessary unless you’re doing it because you REALLY want to, but most do it because then they won’t be called a “slut” or a “womanizer”. Sorry, but I don’t have those society-based fears that I have to play by the rules of others or be branded a “feminist” or a “slut”. I’m neither of those things. I just prefer a relationship to be more companionship than any sort of dependency or “live-in” situation.

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  75. on May 22, 2009 at 4:00 pm Pope Goaz D'Weezil

    Can we get some coverage of this feature:

    http://abovethelaw.com/2009/05/legal_eagle_wedding_watch_517.php

    Seems to be everything Roissy would hate about female lawyers.

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  76. on May 22, 2009 at 4:00 pm DT

    REALLY passive aggressive. This one screams ASS HOLE. 😀 Whoops I’m wetting my pants again.

    Sara is finally being honest…

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  77. on May 22, 2009 at 4:02 pm PA

    I looked at it as a silly contract of slavery for both people.

    David Alexander? Is that you in drag?

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  78. on May 22, 2009 at 4:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    no child support the guy can make more kids fuck it

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  79. on May 22, 2009 at 4:06 pm maurice

    @Lady Rain – some advice: lighten up. we are paying attention to your posts and life story, and are offering our views on them, of varying degrees of helpfulness/sarcasm/hostility. you wouldn’t have posted them if you weren’t interested in the views of the regulars – you’ve been around for a few days now so you know what this board is like.

    but your writing style is ghastly – like fingernails on a chalkboard. the random capitalizations recall a 14-year-old. your substance is a lot less like the typical feminazi than it seems because the style is such a perfect parody of that.

    i can’t say i blame you for having left an apparent abusive deadbeat, but there usually are two sides to every story. what do you suppose his would be? also, you are wrong, as roissy has pointed out, about every woman being able to get laid at any time, and viewing men *only* as “dick”. that’s just clueless. stick around here, scream at the locals less and read more attentively, and you will learn a lot.

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  80. on May 22, 2009 at 4:08 pm Steve Johnson

    “The moment he did, I left so if HE’S the big winner here by not seeing his son, living as a deadbeat, and dying an old alcoholic alone is hardly “sure showing me”!!!”

    Biologically:

    Him – 1 child and no loss of resources / child support. Those same badboy genes that attracted you to him are still there and visible for women to see.

    You – 1 child; huge handicap on the mating market and likely that your son will end up fucked in the head by being raised by you alone.

    Winners – him
    Losers – you, your son

    “No, I chose not to seek child support because I knew that it would give him SOME leverage if he ever wanted to suddenly be involved with my son someday.”

    In the one way that counts, the genes, it’s “our” son.

    You’ll remember what your ex looks like some day when your son looks, acts and sounds more and more like him every day.

    Let’s see how emotionally balanced you are then with a small version of your “abuser” who’s under your power.

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  81. on May 22, 2009 at 4:09 pm Lady Rain

    Gunslinger–

    Before comment please read up. I don’t collect any child support and never have. I also don’t “deny” him rights. After I left him I offered him the option to still “be a dad” as it was his right and be involved if he wanted to be. He knew where to find me, he knew my phone number. He CHOSE to not be a dad. I gave him a choice…. and he chose nothing. That was fine with me.

    Furthermore for the people saying he “gamed” like skittles guy. Again. Wrong. He was a very hard-working guy who made a decent living. Not rich by any means but we never “struggled” and had a house large enough for several children. I didn’t have a problem with his work-ethic, I had a problem with his drinking.

    Therefore YES I could have gotten a decent amount of child-support based on his payrate and chose not to. Why would I go through so much trouble for an extra few hundred a month? I have been working and held a job since the age of 14 and certainly don’t expect (or want to) deal with the boredom of just not working (even if it’s because I was wealthy).

    Calling me “bitter” for saying my ex was an asshole and an abuser doesn’t make sense. That’s what he was and maybe still is. However that is ONE man out of the many “good guys” I have dated and know now. One bad seed wouldn’t make me think all guys were like him. Second, I don’t “hate him” because it’s been long enough that I feel nothing for him at all.

    Also for the people who are too lazy to read up yet AGAIN, I had my son on purpose. I wanted a son, so I had one. If I didn’t “understand” birth control at the age of 28 I’d probably have more than one kid by now.

    Saying the word “slut” over and over means nothing. Being “promiscuous” in most cases of opinion mean “heyyyy they’re getting more sex than me!!!!”

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  82. on May 22, 2009 at 4:11 pm km

    Lady Rain – not all criminals come from single mothers – but it is twice as likely.

    You state that he didn’t become abusive until 2 years in. He may not have become overtly so until then, but he was an abuser all along – and you missed it entirely (I am granting you the credit of not thinking you turned a normal man into an abuser).

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  83. on May 22, 2009 at 4:13 pm novaseeker

    Entertaining at least!

    Marriage a slave contract for both people? More of one for men than for women.

    But anyway, I don’t see how society works long term without men having a reason to invest in it, and if more women make the choices LR did here, the decline will faster rather than slower. But perhaps that’s inevitable anyway, and, if so, then the faster the better.

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  84. on May 22, 2009 at 4:15 pm doug1

    Lady Rain

    I look at the situation as a really positive one because I got a really wonderful son out the situation and I don’t have to “share” him with some court looking over my shoulder. I’m sorry if you find it offensive that I like to live in my OWN home bought with my own money with my own son, but I’m just not interested in the marital aspect, I never was.

    What’s deeply offensive and deserving of shame is that you intentionally or carelessly reproduced with a man that you call and perhaps was an abuser, and is so worthless as a person over all, but apparently not as cock for a while, that you consider the idea of him being any part of your son’s life abhorant. Oh and he’s obviously shiftless.

    To repeat, genes matter. You make a shit choice cheap worthless slut.

    To repeat, fathers matter to children, and your unfortunate bastard son will never know one, man hating bitter harridan. You have no remotely made things as positive for him as you can, you worthless bitch.

    Hell yes you should be shamed.

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  85. on May 22, 2009 at 4:16 pm DT

    Roissy if you honestly think that criminals all come from single mothers, you are sadly out of touch yet again.

    They do not all come from single mothers, but the odds against a child skyrocket in a single mother household. Sorry to break it to you, especially if you’re being honest about his dad being truly abusive (one of the few valid reasons for leaving a kid without both parents), but that’s reality. You have your work cut out for you to make sure your kid grows up to be a normal, functional adult. Broken families are one of the great problems which plague the U.S. and threaten our future.

    It’s not 1960 anymore. Little girls don’t dream of weddings and babies

    Before game I dated a raging feminist bitch (I know, I know…she didn’t seem that way at the party). It didn’t take long to discover that beneath the fake exterior was a little girl desperate to be married with kids. Most women do dream of this. And the older they get, the more desperate they become.

    Back then I didn’t realize what I now realize about marriage and family court. Had she taken some lessons from her grandmother’s generation on how to behave around a man, and dropped the feminist bitch act, she might have actually gotten me. Lucky me that feminism ruined her.

    Or maybe not? I grew up wanting to eventually get married and be a good father. Trouble is I don’t seem to meet any women worth marrying. And the more I learn about marriage the more I think I wouldn’t want to try it even if I did seemingly meet “the right girl.” But what if feminism had never happened, she had known how to behave like a lady, and family laws had been pro-family rather than anti? Maybe we would both be together and happier today.

    Oh well…women are getting what they wished for.

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  86. on May 22, 2009 at 4:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””Lady Rain
    Gunslinger–

    Before comment please read up. I don’t collect any child support and never have. I also don’t “deny” him rights. After I left him I offered him the option to still “be a dad” as it was his right and be involved if he wanted to be. He knew where to find me, he knew my phone number. He CHOSE to not be a dad. I gave him a choice…. and he chose nothing. That was fine with me.””””””

    I give you credit you are a female hero of mine now. Good Job!

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  87. on May 22, 2009 at 4:18 pm joe

    lady rain:

    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?” The fact that you use the word “prey” should tell you everything about yourself you need to know. Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems? If your method was so amazing and awesome you’d be able to land women WITHOUT mental problems without needing a “game”.

    problem with your premise: if one aimed for women without mental problems, that would eliminate 95% of women , including you. men would never mate.

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  88. on May 22, 2009 at 4:19 pm Tupac Chopra

    Thursday:

    Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.” If even I am considering this, is this a harbinger of the decline of Western Civ?

    Well, if what FeministX says about women is true, e.g. — women have only used betas for their resources until the women acquired their own pile of cash through Big Daddy Government, and that women only truly feel sexual desire towards sadistic alphas and badboys, then I’d have to say “yes.”

    FeministX, if you’re reading, I see you still have yet to respond to the questions I put to you some days ago:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/keys-to-a-healthy-relationship/#comment-82318

    *tapping foot*

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  89. on May 22, 2009 at 4:19 pm Lady Rain

    Steve

    If you genuinely think he “wins” by losing out by choice on helping to raise his only son, that kind of sums up what kind of person you are.

    I don’t consider having my son as “losing”!! Also I don’t think of parenting as “controlling him”. I raise him to the best of my ability just like every parent does and hope he has a happy life.

    What I don’t understand about the general attitude here is that if you are a woman who is “comfortable” being by herself (meaning no dependency on man for money/emotional happiness) you guys see that as being a negative or hostile toward men.

    I like a healthy dating life and some nice companionship, but I don’t want someone who is “involved” in any other part of my life. It’s just not something I’m interested in for the long term.

    Also I know I have healthy relationship in general because other than the crazy ex, I am still friends with and talk to ALL my other exes since breaking up…. even one who I was “with” when I was 14 years old just called me recently to see how I was. You can speculate however you’d like on me as a person, but it’s still just opinion either way and I don’t care what class you fit me into because if you had ever actually MET any women you’d know all women are different just like all men.

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  90. on May 22, 2009 at 4:20 pm Mr.M

    Lady –

    you re-read my comment, thanks.

    why are you here? i don’t get it. you spill out your life’s story and how tragically pathetic it is. you argue this, naysay that.

    are you hoping roissy will fly down to bumblefuck, idaho (your residence, of course), and light up your otherwise shotty life?

    seriously though. what benefit do you gain in your time investment?

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  91. on May 22, 2009 at 4:22 pm Comment_Whatever

    gig made the following interesting comment:


    One got very close to her, the other more distant. The first was really bad with women, but extremely intelligent. The other didn’t like the mother very much, was kind of lazy, but banged chicks like hell

    The loving son had a heart problem

    I think people from whole families fail to understand the degree to which many mothers will play favorites. At a minimum, it is unlikely that a both parents will favor the same child in a whole family, minimizing the trouble.

    It’s not funny when you realize you are number 2, period.

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7321&IBLOCK_ID=35&PAGE=1

    Story from Zinks Boys, about Russia’s war in Afghanistan:

    Yura’s mother’s story is one of the grimmest in the book, because she blames herself — with some justice — for his death. Theirs was a “good family” in Soviet terms. And like a good Soviet son, Yura enters officers’school, then tells his mother, “All those high ideals you taught me, they don’t exist. Where did you get them all from?” His mother keeps up the lie: “I told him yet again that our Soviet life was wonderful and our people were good.”

    Inevitably, Yura ends up dead. And his mother, a born storyteller, tells how she prayed that it was her other son, Gena, who was dead: “I asked them, ‘Is it Gena?”No, it’s Yura,’ one of them said, very quietly.” She tells this story against herself. Now that’s horror.

    The mother’s suffering is very real, and she feels sorry for what she did, and also feels sorry for what she imagines she did.

    But being Gena is less fun than you would think.

    You don’t think it would be fun? Yes, exactly.

    I know the feeling quite well.

    gig observed:

    another anedocte, I only started doing fine with girls after I left home. Momma’s boys tend to do poorly with women. And the opposite seems to be true. Trouble with mommy in childhood means lots of pussy later on.

    I can see that. Once you realize your aren’t going to get female approval no matter what you do, you learn to live without female approval. Obviously, lack of need for female approval will amp any Game higher a nice amount.

    Lessen your need for female validation, and your Game will go higher. You may think it’s okay to need female validation. Yes it is. If you are an American, then it is almost certain your need for female validation is to high. WAY to high. Lower it.

    Really. That’s the door that Mystery and other super-Game guys have trouble going through. Once they go ‘one-itis’ they no longer get validation from continual conquest, so they need their larger-than-normal validation fix entirely from one woman. This causes problems.

    Though a wildly successful blog or other mission can fix that.

    My point may not rise to the technical glory of the last few Game posts, but it is still something to remember in LTR’s.

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  92. on May 22, 2009 at 4:23 pm novaseeker

    @Mr. M — She just dislikes Roissy, I think. So she comes in here and tries to stir the pot for fun.

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  93. on May 22, 2009 at 4:25 pm Thursday

    Where’s Whiskey when you need him? I need to argue.

    I’ve been reading Ross Douthat’s thoughts on the hippy dippy libertarian utopianism of Will Wilkinson.

    Of course, there’s a lot of ruin in a nation, but still I can imagine telling my son, don’t work hard, don’t get a job, it doesn’t matter, here is copy of Magic Bullets (hey, I still prefer it to the original Mystery Method). If this shit gets out there, and any number of men start taking.

    Remember the feminist paradise that is sub-Saharan Africa. Men do jack shit. They drink, fight and try to get laid. Women do 80% of the work. And we’re rewarding this kind of behaviour. Caddish genes are being selected for as we speak. We live on borrowed genetic capital. Darwin always wins.

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  94. on May 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm Tood

    In other news :

    Women are unhappier than ever.

    The natural conclusion.

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  95. on May 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm mr mike

    “….I get laid whenever I like. I’m a woman and that’s life….”

    cougars get laid too (along with all the other types of “practice girls”)

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  96. on May 22, 2009 at 4:27 pm Mr.M

    nova- granted. but, i mean…single mother taking hours out of her day to just try to rail people on comment boards?

    who needs male role models? kid’s got all he needs right at home!!

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  97. on May 22, 2009 at 4:28 pm joe

    Well certainly not the abuser who made him!

    you remind me of another commenter here sara I. always talking about how she is immune to game and has best loser-radar on earth. yet her past is full of screwed up abusive partners and losers.

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  98. on May 22, 2009 at 4:29 pm Lady Rain

    Doug,

    I think it’s obvious now you are basing your opinion of me on nothing at all.

    For the 300th time I can accept having made a bad choice in men and don’t “blame” anyone for my choice. I am responsible for the choice I made. Who is arguing that point? Yes I chose an abuser by missing the “signs” that he might be one. I have no problem admitting that. Most people have been “dicked over” at some point in their life.

    99% of the men here wouldn’t be seeking this brand of advice if they themselves hadn’t “made a bad choice” in a woman they dated or a situation they got “dicked on” so please don’t be so openly hypocritical.

    If having chosen a bad partner and then doing what I can to be responsible for my choice is “slutty” then I have been using the word in the wrong context for years.

    Also you telling me what kind of parent I am is ridiculous considering you know only one small story about one event in my life and know nothing about me otherwise.

    Joe: yes ONLY women have mental probs….not men. I really hope your comment was made in jest.

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  99. on May 22, 2009 at 4:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””Remember the feminist paradise that is sub-Saharan Africa. Men do jack shit. They drink, fight and try to get laid. Women do 80% of the work. And we’re rewarding this kind of behaviour. Caddish genes are being selected for as we speak. We live on borrowed genetic capital. Darwin always wins.”””””””

    This is the natural order don’t fight your destiny.

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  100. on May 22, 2009 at 4:30 pm Default Abuser

    advice for the ladies

    Roissy’s jabs are easy to deflect by embracing your inner extreme loser:
    -”You read Joyce?……I read Cosmo.”
    -”You like firm round boobs?……….I had prophylactic masectomies.”

    ”…I read Cosmo.”
    Looks like you been drinking them too.

    “…I had prophylactic masectomies.”
    So what went wrong?

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  101. on May 22, 2009 at 4:31 pm joe

    Joe: yes ONLY women have mental probs….not men. I really hope your comment was made in jest.

    i never said only women have mental problems. i said 95% of women have them. men have them too but a much much lower percentage.

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  102. on May 22, 2009 at 4:36 pm maurice

    the eXile! That takes me back. it was my bible in Moscow. I think they got kicked out, finally, about a year ago. but it was very good – smart and smart-ass-y – while it lasted. a friend of mine was an investor in them for a while.

    the stuff about female approval and momma’s boys not doing well with women – very interesting, hadn’t thought about it that way before. how about the other childhood possibilities: a boy being dad’s favorite/least favorite, a girl being same (we all know about those, though) and a girl being mom’s least or most favorite…?

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  103. on May 22, 2009 at 4:39 pm Mr.M

    maurice –

    http://therawness.com/madonnawhore-complexes-part-1/
    http://therawness.com/madonnawhore-complexes-part-2/
    http://therawness.com/madonnawhore-complexes-part-3/

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  104. on May 22, 2009 at 4:39 pm Thursday

    Tood:

    Women hate making decisions. They want decisions to be made for them. That’s why they love being swept off their feet. That’s why they like it when they feel that the man is the chooser.

    This is also what makes it hard to get even conservative girls to stop dithering, stop waiting for Cary Grant and make a decision to settle down with someone. It’s not just partying and sleeping with Alphas that result in 35 year old cat ladies. Economic necessity and the grandmother effect used to put a stop to this. No longer.

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  105. on May 22, 2009 at 4:40 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gunny:

    This is the natural order don’t fight your destiny.

    Fine, you can go on living a subhuman existence in some godforsaken Nowherestan, while the rest of have figured out fusion and space migration.

    So long and thanks for all the fish!

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  106. on May 22, 2009 at 4:41 pm Lady Rain

    Joe–

    Hmmm I never said I was immune to game or anything of the sort. I wouldn’t go to bars and clubs where these gamers tend to hang so I have no idea if this would work out on me or not. However there is no doubt that whether this method tricks a woman or not she’ll figure it out in a matter of weeks if not days, so who cares? Don’t mistakenly think that women are “sad” if they get some booty without strings. Often the game is played on both sides.

    Also I was lucky to only ever have ONE really bad relationship and that’s lucky these days. Someone also mentioned that having son makes dating harder. I have yet to run into a guy who looks “terrified” or anything like that when they find out I have a son. It hasn’t crippled my dating life in the slightest and it also weeds out men who aren’t understanding about things like me not staying out late/not having a sitter/etc. Guys who expect to be placed BEFORE my child don’t get a second date. You must be in the very small class of men who think a woman who takes responsibility for her child and her own finances is a “negative” to a man looking to date. A man who thinks like that is one I wouldn’t date to start with, so it’s kind of like a weeding out process that I don’t have to actually work at because they weed themselves out.

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  107. on May 22, 2009 at 4:41 pm Steve Johnson

    If you genuinely think he “wins” by losing out by choice on helping to raise his only son, that kind of sums up what kind of person you are.

    I don’t consider having my son as “losing”!! x

    He wins because he reproduced and can do so again just as easily as before.

    You lose because you have one child and are at a severe handicap in getting enough resources to support more (not to mention the lower quality of genes that your future children will have because your lower value means you don’t get high quality men). You know what happens to genes of people who only have one child?

    Also I don’t think of parenting as “controlling him”. I raise him to the best of my ability just like every parent does and hope he has a happy life. x

    You feed him. You provide him shelter. You control his life in every important way. Good luck to him that you don’t even want to think about this.

    Every day he looks more and more like your abuser, doesn’t he? Hard to keep yourself from letting some of that anger at his father out on this small version of him, isn’t it?

    Also you telling me what kind of parent I am is ridiculous considering you know only one small story about one event in my life and know nothing about me otherwise.x

    One small story? That’s the biggest thing you’ve ever done in the raising of your son. You picked half his genes from a man who’s so unworthy that you think he’s a dying alcoholic! Way to go mom!

    Don’t worry, it’s just one small story…

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  108. on May 22, 2009 at 4:42 pm novaseeker

    “Women hate making decisions.”

    @Thursday —

    I would agree, but phrase it such that women prefer to optimize, generally, much more than men do — so they hate making decisions because decisions feel like a lot of opportunity cost to them. My guess is that this is due to the price of eggs, as roissy would say.

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  109. on May 22, 2009 at 4:44 pm joe

    Joe–

    Hmmm I never said I was immune to game or anything of the sort.

    reread your comments in this very thread. you did.

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  110. on May 22, 2009 at 4:45 pm gig

    another anedocte, straight from the lower classes

    mommy went to the marriage of an ex-maiden’s (the woman who cleaned our house) son. The maiden had two sons. The father of those boys have 5 children, all boys, by 4 different women.

    What about the maiden’s sons? One is gay. The other one, who was marrying, already had 5 daughters, from 5 different women, including his current wife.

    Which one is momma’s boy? I leave it to the audience.

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  111. on May 22, 2009 at 4:46 pm Thursday

    I would agree, but phrase it such that women prefer to optimize, generally, much more than men do — so they hate making decisions because decisions feel like a lot of opportunity cost to them. My guess is that this is due to the price of eggs, as roissy would say.

    Which is why women are so absolutely loathe to settle, even if they would end up happier by doing so.

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  112. on May 22, 2009 at 4:46 pm Lady Rain

    Really Joe? Let me guess…. the reason the men make up almost ALL the percentage of violent crimes is because a woman PUSHED them to do it, right?

    Please. Just for fun I’ll say “Please show me your medical statistics that say women are more prone to mental problems than men”. That is an outright lie and you know it.

    In order to be a serial killer, a rapist, or a man given to assault you HAVE to have mental problems, so I guess the Criminal Justice system is just making up lies to use for statistics of men who are “mentally unstable” and committing violent crimes? Are they secretly controlled by women and the feminist overlords?

    Again MOST of the population of both men and women have mental probs/emotional disorders of SOME sort and if they didn’t feminist groups wouldn’t exist and neither would “pro-male” ones like this.

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  113. on May 22, 2009 at 4:47 pm doug1

    Steve Johnson

    Biologically:

    Him – 1 child and no loss of resources / child support. Those same badboy genes that attracted you to him are still there and visible for women to see.

    You – 1 child; huge handicap on the mating market and likely that your son will end up fucked in the head by being raised by you alone.

    Winners – him
    Losers – you, your son and Western Civilization, when when this is allowed, yes I said allowed, to balloon, such that as many as 40% of American children are now born to single mothers.

    Pretty accurate, with the addition of my language in bold.

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  114. on May 22, 2009 at 4:48 pm gig

    my mom met the bad boy father of the groom. when she came home, she called me and told the story.

    “You know gig, the guy is a jerk, he isn’t worth the ground he steps in, but he is so nice, so funny, I simply don’t understand how he could do that [have 5 boys from 4 different women]”

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  115. on May 22, 2009 at 4:50 pm joe

    Really Joe? Let me guess…. the reason the men make up almost ALL the percentage of violent crimes is because a woman PUSHED them to do it, right?

    just because one isn’t committing violent crime doesn’t mean one lacks mental problems. mental problems combined with lots of testosterone aggression can lead to violent crimes, sure. that doesn’t prove most men have mental problems unless you can prove most men in existence commit violent crimes. meanwhile mental problems plus estrogen equals…95% of womankind.

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  116. on May 22, 2009 at 4:51 pm Steve Johnson

    Hmmm I never said I was immune to game or anything of the sort. I wouldn’t go to bars and clubs where these gamers tend to hang so I have no idea if this would work out on me or not. x

    We’re everywhere. Look out for coffee shops, bookstores, subways, and streets.

    However there is no doubt that whether this method tricks a woman or not she’ll figure it out in a matter of weeks if not days, so who cares?

    Or two years.

    Also I was lucky to only ever have ONE really bad relationship and that’s lucky these days.x

    TWO actually. You spend every day with a person who is 1/2 your ex genetically.

    You must be in the very small class of men who think a woman who takes responsibility for her child and her own finances is a “negative” to a man looking to date.x

    Yeah, that very small class of guys who wants to have nothing to do with some other guy’s bastard.

    Nice try at spinning not having your son starve to death into a mark of sterling character. Really? A woman who thinks taking “responsibility for her child and her own finances” is impressive? What’s the alternative? Stuffing him in a dumpster outside a prom? Going to debtor’s prison?

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  117. on May 22, 2009 at 4:53 pm Default User

    sara I

    I think you were wrong about my angiogram number thing that you mentioned on the Hero thread.

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  118. on May 22, 2009 at 4:53 pm gig

    probably Yura banged more chicks than gena while both were alive

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  119. on May 22, 2009 at 4:55 pm Thursday

    Doug, Steve:

    Charles Murray has some scary stats on illegitimacy here:

    I’m not done, and want to save that discussion for a formal presentation in any case, but here are some tentative estimates: The illegitimacy ratio for the white underclass is probably now in the region of 70 percent. I think that the proportion for the white working class may be above 40 percent. The white middle class is approaching 20 percent—a scarily high figure when you think about all the ways that the middle class has been the spine of the nation.

    The white overclass? They’re still living in the 1950s—their ratio is probably about 4 or 5 percent tops.

    Murray is a reminder of what libertarians used to be. Now they’re all moonbats like Will Wilkinson, however interesting he can sometimes be.

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  120. on May 22, 2009 at 4:55 pm hmm

    seems like one could avoid karmic back-payments and still go the route Roissy advocates by being less calculating and just more honest

    “yes those jeans kind of do make your ass look fat”

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  121. on May 22, 2009 at 4:55 pm Lady Rain

    Steve–

    You are clearly a very sick man to think that even if my son DID look like his father, this would enrage me and make me want to hurt him? Now that is just plain something you made up in a dark, sick part of your mind.

    You miss again that it wouldn’t make me angry if my son looked like him…. what difference would it make? As for me saying “a small part of who I am” meaning ONE relationship with ONE bad guy does not make up who I am.

    The problem here is you seem to think that if someone “gets dicked over” so to speak that they are forever dwelling on/thinking about/plotting revenge on the person who did it. I don’t hate him for being an abuser, he clearly has mental problems that can only be changed by him. Why should I be angry? He was raised by a dad who smacked his mom around early in their marriage and clearly he believed this was appropriate behavior. That makes more sad for him than anything else. It doesn’t make me “fearful” of men or of dating. People who allow one isolated event dictate they way they feel about ALL people of that gender/race are only making themselves miserable.

    Sure I’m pissed I made a bad choice at 23 in being with him…. but at 28 I hardly care anymore about my poor taste in being with him.

    Also I am not at a handicap at all because I have the resources to raise the son I have (obviously since I’ve been doing it since he was born) and I don’t plan to have anymore children so I have no reason to be concerned about supporting “more kids someday”.

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  122. on May 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm Mr.M

    However there is no doubt that whether this method tricks a woman or not she’ll figure it out in a matter of weeks if not days, so who cares?

    Or two years.

    Or never. look at dave from hawaii. guy works game and flips his wife around and now has a seemingly good LTR. game isn’t just about fucking stupid bitches on a first-night basis.

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  123. on May 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm Mr.M

    and lady,

    why are you here?

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  124. on May 22, 2009 at 4:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    ok this is one of funniest threads ever.

    “””””””””””””Tupac Chopra
    Gunny:

    This is the natural order don’t fight your destiny.

    Fine, you can go on living a subhuman existence in some godforsaken Nowherestan, while the rest of have figured out fusion and space migration.

    So long and thanks for all the fish!””””””””

    Tupoc don’t hate man. If i figured out end game for the world someone else did to. We are on a timer. Don’t worry be happy.

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  125. on May 22, 2009 at 5:00 pm Master Dogen

    *snooooorrrres*

    Jesus, Lady Rain. Get a job or something…. have much time did you spend composing all those responses?

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  126. on May 22, 2009 at 5:05 pm Lady Rain

    Steve–

    Don’t act mentally challenged, here. My ex wasn’t “gaming” me unless his game was to get me a house, work super-long hours, and beg to have a baby together. He wanted to stay together and wanted marriage but sadly he thought being a man meant drinking heavily and abusing your family too.

    Furthermore you know I didn’t mention keeping him alive to “impress”. My point was that you guys cry about women who play “victim” and rely on someone else to clean up their “mess” in making a bad decision.

    My only point in referring to that was I happily own up to my responsiblity and don’t feel anyone else is to “blame” for my choices and/or situation.

    I certainly was not raised by lazy people and would never allow myself to be so lazy as to blame one man/person for the decisions I make in my life. I am a grown woman and don’t have any desire to play “victim”.

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  127. on May 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm Thursday

    The white British underclass seems to be pretty scary. Undoubtedly the genes for caddishness are spreading as widely there as they are here in N. America. The problem, as Steve Sailer, has put it is that this isn’t the case for all European countries. Sweden’s slide into thuggishness has been glacially slow. I was talking to an RSD instructor who was in town and he told me that it’s harder to pull Swedish girls than girls anywhere in North America. The Swedes are even more whipped and feminized that we North Americans, yet their society holds together. A Dutch girl I was dating once told me that, despite it’s extreme social liberalism, the Netherlands was the most middle class place on the planet.

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  128. on May 22, 2009 at 5:09 pm Lady Rain

    Mr M–

    Dammit you are officially guilty of not reading up again. I found this blog by way of a Comedy forum I visit. Roissy’s blog is posted in one of the humor threads which is the only reason I know it exists.

    Also, some guy came to that comedy forum and started ranting about how awesome the “game” was and all this weird stuff and then never came back to the comedy forum again. Needless to say, it was entertaining to say the least.

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  129. on May 22, 2009 at 5:09 pm Lady Rain

    Master Dogen–

    I type fast.

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  130. on May 22, 2009 at 5:13 pm Default User

    Lady Rain

    …Don’t act mentally challenged, here

    Was that a neg?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    See you are learning game.

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  131. on May 22, 2009 at 5:13 pm Mr.M

    Lady –

    I did not ask “how,” i asked “why.”

    let me ask again –

    Why are you spending your time posting on this blog?

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  132. on May 22, 2009 at 5:14 pm gig

    Lady, a few facts for you

    Roissy is not the jerk who fathered your son. Stop being so negative.

    Your son will inherit, on average, 50% of his father looks, character, diseases and even political ideology. The fact that daddy is away do not stop this from happening.

    There is a strong link between fatherlessness and criminality. And for every fatherless boy who becomes a criminal, there 10 “sub-criminals”, or simple thugs who won’t do anything serious enough to go to jail, but will be recognyzed as thugs by everyone around nonetheless.

    There is a strong link between the mother-and-son relationship and the boy’s future sucess or failure with women.

    Calling Roissy and his readers virgins won’t change any of that.

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  133. on May 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    i am on my one day off and cannot finish scarface because this thread owns good one default

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  134. on May 22, 2009 at 5:18 pm gig

    Lady, one more to you. It is to much coincidence that in the same month when the heart attack stuff and the jerk’s marriage were told me, you appeared in this forum

    You made a bad choice about your son’s father. it says more ABOUT YOU than about him. Roissy and his vestal readers are not responsible for it.

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  135. on May 22, 2009 at 5:19 pm km

    Lady Rain – Perhaps greater introspection, more study of human nature and deeper analysis would serve you better than rapid typing speed.

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  136. on May 22, 2009 at 5:19 pm Default User

    Lady Rain
    Copied from a reply I posted on the now dead Skittles thread.

    An important point to note is that what Roissy tends to focus on is attraction. There can be no relationship without attraction. And what creates attraction are not those things that women say work. Our “real personality’ has little to do with attraction, which is governed by more instinctual drives. A man that shares his “real personality” before gaining attraction is likely to end up in the (sexless) friend zone. A man that gains attraction and then shares his “real personality” has a chance of building a romantic relationship.

    I use quotes around “real personality” because most of what game is about is about preventing the desexualizing aspects of “nice guy” dating. It is about giving quality guy that edge that is so attractive to women.

    You could say that is about tricking you (the woman) into choosing the quality/good guys and not falling for the losers who have that edge but lack the quality.

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  137. on May 22, 2009 at 5:22 pm kim

    Joyce? Considering most people who went to a decent high school probably read A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, it’d probably work better to use a different author.

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  138. on May 22, 2009 at 5:26 pm gig

    the jezebeller/feministing invasion was nice.

    the old haters, like nicole and the divorce-thieve, sara I, are to boring

    FeministX and Lady Rain are much funnier. FemX, a feminazi men-hater southern-indian-brahmin, is even more diverse than obsidian.

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  139. on May 22, 2009 at 5:26 pm gig

    a feminazi men-hater southern-indian-brahmin and HBD-believer

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  140. on May 22, 2009 at 5:27 pm Racer X

    Lady Rain,

    I think you need to join one of my therapy classes. What does a Racer X therapy session for the whiny little bitch like yourself consist of? First, I will spank you quite thoroughly. Not light spanking either, but hard, firm, vigorous slaps with the full palm of my strong hand across each one your lovely buttocks. They will be red afterward. Then, and only after I have made sure you are nicely lubricated (preferably by eating your pussy for a good long while) I will fuck you. And I will fuck you hard and through, fast and furious, for hours on end. You will be sore after. Finally, to finish things off I will then fuck you in the ass, with a bit more light or heavy slapping of your ass cheeks thrown in just to remind you not be such a whiny little bitch. Your ass will long for my cock afterward, especially when you are taking a really big shit.

    After a few sessions like that you will be a changed woman. Perhaps the sweet elixir will last only a little while, but during that time you will feel things you have never felt before.

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  141. on May 22, 2009 at 5:29 pm too late for romance

    Jesus I can’t believe you retards are feeding that lady rain cunt’s ego by sparring with her. She’s irrelevant. Why waste the time?

    She’s been trolling and protesting way too much for over two hours so far on a beautiful Friday late afternoon, which should tell you all you need to know about her life.

    Not to mention her bastard son.

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  142. on May 22, 2009 at 5:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    be glad you guys aren’t here i just had to mercy kill a mosquito with a baseball bat after wounding it.

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  143. on May 22, 2009 at 5:31 pm too late for romance

    Sorry, but I was too harsh.

    At least the the cunt’s bastard will be there to mow my lawn in twenty years or ask if I want fries with that. That’s something.

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  144. on May 22, 2009 at 5:32 pm doug1

    Thursday–

    Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.” If even I am considering this, is this a harbinger of the decline of Western Civ?

    The incentives for men to be those hard working little working bees that built this edifice of civilization are just disappearing.

    P.S. The two best guys I know with women both have almost no money whatsoever. Except for their ability to get women, their lives are complete basket cases. One doesn’t work and just barely survives by occasionally teaching pickup. (He may be getting an internship with RSD.) The other is a part time bouncer at a grungy pub.

    I’ve been thinking about the impact of these kinds of effects for months, from reading here at Roissy’s.

    As well, what women excel at in the workplace primarily is being dutiful diligent followers — including at very high levels of expertise. How much important stuff is really invented by women? I’m not just talking engineering and science here. In all fields, outside literature and a few arts.

    If there isn’t a big field of men ambitiously working away in the trenches from which some really inventive and creative ones emerge, will we have the same level of invention?

    Yes you and I are both talking about things that are so far only happening on the margins (aside from things like illegitimacy *shudder*), but what if this as you say snowballs? Men dropping out from being career ambitious that is, except in obvious chic magnet stuff like acting and being rock stars.

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  145. on May 22, 2009 at 5:33 pm Steve Johnson

    I don’t hate him for being an abuser, he clearly has mental problems that can only be changed by him. Why should I be angry?

    You’re assuming that anyone here believes you that he was an abuser. Hint: women aren’t always on speaking terms with truth.

    A woman who has a bastard child with a man whom she calls an abuser is either:

    (a) lying about the guy in a (conscious or not) attempt to find a stupid beta to play Captain Save A Ho.
    (b) telling the truth and chose to have a child with a violent man

    Either way, what people here are guessing about you isn’t what you think they are.

    Sure I’m pissed I made a bad choice at 23 in being with him…. but at 28 I hardly care anymore about my poor taste in being with him.x

    You hardly care about your poor taste. Your genes disagree. The only chance they have is on a team with genes from an alcoholic loser.

    Since our genes are pretty good at making us miserable if we’re doing something against their best interests (unless that “something” is something “new” to humans, like fucking with condoms), it’s a pretty good guess that you’re none too happy about your life and your life choices.

    Also I am not at a handicap at all because I have the resources to raise the son I have (obviously since I’ve been doing it since he was born) and I don’t plan to have anymore children so I have no reason to be concerned about supporting “more kids someday”.

    You don’t know what words mean do you? Handicap = you’re at a disadvantage if you wanted to have more kids. There are two reasons for this (1) you can attract only lower quality mates than you could without a child and (2) you get no support for your child from the father or his family, if you have the bad luck to lose your job or something, your son suffers; his suffering makes him a less valuable mate later in life. Him being a loser with women means your genes die.

    If you’ve already chosen to have no more kids, then you’re as out of the game of survival almost as much as someone who jerks off to 5 tb of long nail porn.

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  146. on May 22, 2009 at 5:34 pm Mr.M

    doug –

    then the women do all the work while the men fuck around. ala that africa scenario that was thrown out earlier.

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  147. on May 22, 2009 at 5:36 pm gig

    too late for romance

    she’s got a time bomb in her hands. we are trying to minimize the damage.

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  148. on May 22, 2009 at 5:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    Jesus look at all these guys for child support no wonder guys getting reamed the edumucateds want it that way and think it is great and necesary.

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  149. on May 22, 2009 at 5:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    rains not taking child support. She is a 100,000 times better than the bitch who leaves the man and goes on a crusade to destroy him.

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  150. on May 22, 2009 at 5:46 pm doug1

    I want to say something for balance, getting back to Roissy’s post as opposed to dealing with Lady Rain as an example of what we need to return to shaming.

    Sometimes you need to build a woman up, and help her feel more confident, or calmer, or hopeful, or trusting.

    Sometimes that can make her oh so attracted to you, and wanting to be within your sun.

    What you really need is for her to feel you have:

    the power to giveth

    and the power to taketh away

    In the ebb and flow of her emotions.

    (The Bible. Someplace.)

    PS Roissy naturally focuses on what our media and educational culture DOESN’T tell men, not what it does. Most men know all about reassuring women and do it to excess. All I’m doing is adding some balance to some alpha theorists sometimes getting carried away. Or to women misreading the overall message.

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  151. on May 22, 2009 at 5:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    if this is true story and she was not against the man seeing his kid and she doesn’t need child support or alimony. Then there is no drawback to marrying her and giving it a go to see if it would work. She would be a perfect woman for marriage in the states right now.

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  152. on May 22, 2009 at 5:51 pm Thursday

    Doug:

    Yes, there is that other side. A lot of men go too far with the emotionally distant asshole thing. They get more girls than all too emotionally available, reassuring betas, but acting that way can cause long term relationship problems.

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  153. on May 22, 2009 at 5:52 pm redkal

    Gunslingergregi

    if this is true story and she was not against the man seeing his kid and she doesn’t need child support or alimony. Then there is no drawback to marrying her and giving it a go to see if it would work. She would be a perfect woman for marriage in the states right now.

    *sigh*

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  154. on May 22, 2009 at 5:53 pm kim

    @doug1

    “What you really need is for her to feel you have:

    the power to giveth

    and the power to taketh away”

    Very true. Contrary to what some may believe, women don’t want to feel like shit all the time or be with someone who is going to make them feel like that all the time. Yes, there are women who will inevitably stay with men like this, but there are plenty who won’t.

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  155. on May 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    What redcal we have been talking about men who get fucked over after marriage and sold as slaves to child support and alimony and that is why people will be avoiding marriage. Also have heard many stories of woman who make it extremlely difficult for a man to see his kids. In rains case the man chooses his involvement. If he want to give money and time he can if he doesn’t knowone is placing a monkey on his back. Now all of the sudden the wish of the perfect divorce comes true and people are complaining. What the fuck is the problem?

    They where going to be seperated anyway. This could have just been a really ugly one.

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  156. on May 22, 2009 at 6:01 pm maurice

    @doug, Thursday – agreed, and that is what I was getting at in a different way. the ego-evisceration neg can come across as cruel if it’s not lightened with wit and flirting context. my experience is that asshole game and asshole behavior attracts a certain kind of woman: more submissive, lower self-esteem, more keyed onto the seed-provider kind of masculinity than other aspects. but it’s roissy’s experience that asshole game works on most women because it calls out those traits in all of them. my head says he is right but my experience says otherwise.

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  157. on May 22, 2009 at 6:02 pm cz

    Ironweights, dude, did you got scooped!?! http://tinyurl.com/onfrhe

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  158. on May 22, 2009 at 6:04 pm Default User

    kim

    Contrary to what some may believe, women don’t want to feel like shit all the time or be with someone who is going to make them feel like that all the time.

    As doug1 showed many men do understand that.

    A lot of game is about good guys getting back their masculine edge. It is deprogramming us of the wrong headed advice of society (and yes, you women).

    There is an element of posturing with Roissy and some of the posters here.

    I hope that is clear, you dumb broad. ……… 🙂

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  159. on May 22, 2009 at 6:04 pm novaseeker

    I’ve been thinking about the impact of these kinds of effects for months, from reading here at Roissy’s.

    As well, what women excel at in the workplace primarily is being dutiful diligent followers — including at very high levels of expertise. How much important stuff is really invented by women? I’m not just talking engineering and science here. In all fields, outside literature and a few arts.

    If there isn’t a big field of men ambitiously working away in the trenches from which some really inventive and creative ones emerge, will we have the same level of invention?

    Yes you and I are both talking about things that are so far only happening on the margins (aside from things like illegitimacy *shudder*), but what if this as you say snowballs? Men dropping out from being career ambitious that is, except in obvious chic magnet stuff like acting and being rock stars.

    Doug1 —

    It’s happening already. It’s reflected in college grad rates. That is going to ripple through the society in the next 10-15 years as there are markedly fewer men in the upper part of the economy. It’s on the margins now, but it won’t be in 10-15 years. It’s expected that soon women will be ~65% of college grads, meaning almost twice as many as men. The result of that huge disparity — one which has been noted but which the feminist establishment seems determined to keep in place and in fact make worse in the years ahead — is that relatively few of these educated women will be able to find mates … as we know, women are hypergamous and most would prefer to be alone than with a man who is lower in status than they are. The result of that will be women deciding either to not have children, or to become single mothers by choice. In the first case, the birth rate plummets even more than it already has. In the second case, the birth rate will shrink, but less. But in either case, it means a lot of men, perhaps the majority, will not be fathers, or will be fathers who are not living with their kids.

    The impact is already being felt. A *lot* of men in their 20s are underachieving, underperforming and disinterested in the wider society, in ambition and so on. It’s because their chances with women are small in this culture. We are creating a growing class of untertan, untouchable sexual caste males who are basically going to be seen soon enough as human refuse.

    There is no way out of that problem. Currently the white birth rate in the US is around 1.6. No civilization has ever survived when the rate drops below 1.8. I expect that due to the economic demographic described above, the rate will drop .. perhaps as low to 1.3. Of course the overall birth rate is higher, but all that means is that the culture of the US is heading towards a massive shift away from what it is today — much less educated, much more underclass … much more like Brazil.

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  160. on May 22, 2009 at 6:08 pm Default User

    maurice

    To play asshole game well, it probably helps to be a bit of an asshole.

    However, most men can add some edge to their presentation because of their chivalrous/nice guy habits.

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  161. on May 22, 2009 at 6:10 pm whiskey

    Thursday — Mornings are crunch time. Stuff out to bid, rest of that garbage.

    I’m here off and on. Argue away.

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  162. on May 22, 2009 at 6:10 pm whiskey

    Lady Rain, hard ugly truth.

    Acting like Roissy suggests is EXACTLY how to succeed with women. It’s called A-hole game and it WORKS. Like gangbusters.

    Women love the A-holes, even though they don’t want to admit it. Just as guys don’t like to admit T/A is about 90% of their criteria.

    Yeah, it’s ugly. Get used to it. Men are not going to show you deference or CARE about you one way or another. Why should they? A-holes have sex (because women reward this) and those without are not going to care.

    You don’t like the fall of men being “nice” to women? Too bad. This was inevitable when women slept with the bad boys and had “nice” guys put in the “gay” box.

    Your son, btw, is statistically likely to have far more problems in life than a boy who grew up in a two parent family, with the biological father married to the mother. You know this, correct? Statistics are not destiny, and factors like upper class wealth and so on can help, but it’s definitely a factor. Don’t be shocked if your son turns into either Roissy or some guy who resents women immensely, ala Rorschach in Watchmen. [As a single mother you realize you better be UBER hot along the lines of say, Megan Fox, to have any value in the brutal long term relationship market. You can certainly find pump-and-dump guys, but all that will do is teach your son some fairly negative, though realistic, assessments of women.]

    You are delusional (and fairly selfish btw) if you think an occasional visit from Grandpa, who is not likely to be around for most of the kid’s life, will substitute for 24/7 Father in a home.

    In fact you are indeed Exhibit A in my thesis, that most women would prefer single motherhood, to maximize sexual variety and so on, rather than settle down with a boring old “nice” guy in a monogamous marriage. Various chaotic, short-lived, purely sexual relationships seem the norm and that’s certainly the case with your own life if it’s described accurately.

    Given what you (and many/most younger women offer): a series of short-term chaotic and purely sexual relationships, why would you expect men in general to invest in you (you are in economic terms a short-term car rental). This also applies to your son, HIS reproductive success will be based (along with his happiness) in banging as many women as possible in short-term pump and dump relationships. Or he can be an angry, loner, bitter beta like Rorschach. [Your son’s DNA is half-thug, and half one who preferred a thug. It’s highly unlikely you did not know well that your son’s father was a thug, the tattoos, the violent behavior, etc. were certainly no secret and probably a turn on.]

    For the record, I don’t think you are a “whore” or a “slut” or anything but a woman who obviously put her short-term sexual desires over what was best for her child: a loving and monogamous marriage to a good man who would be a good husband and father.

    I am utterly unsurprised by the negative reaction to you by the men here. Again if you want men to invest in women generally, they need to have “skin in the game.” Stakeholders. And intermittent “nice guy” shoulders to cry on after the latest bad boy fling are not going to cut it. ONLY a realistic prospect of monogamous marriage and exclusive fatherhood of all your kids are (on a wider male-female model) are going to create wide/deep investment in women that produce male politeness, deference, and chivalry which you obviously expect and is dead as your kid’s prospect for his biological father to be his mother’s loving, good husband.

    Yes most criminals come from single mothers. That is indeed fact.

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  163. on May 22, 2009 at 6:12 pm Default DJ

    If you meet this babe you will need your A game. However, I think she might be worth it.

    Her hair is Harlowe gold,
    Her lips sweet surprise
    Her hands are never cold,
    …
    She’s pure as New York snow,
    She got Bette Davis eyes

    But how could you resist?

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  164. on May 22, 2009 at 6:18 pm maurice

    @def – right, I’m not an asshole myself, and that type of game is not my style. but I see asshole game guys get blown out or even laughed at in certain bars in DC. it’s supposed to work regardless of education, etc. but it doesn’t always. (of course, an asshole alpha cares nothing for rejection..) that’s why i think a man has to adopt the principles of game to his personality. think of the msot famous PUAs who launched this movement: Ross Jefferies? Nerdy, insecure. Mystery? Attention-whore, flamboyant. Style? Cool, intellectual. Are all these traits related to asshole-dom? No. But they display *other* aspects of male alpha-dom (well, maybe not RJ – although he does have a strong, funny presence). Roissy’s asshole game works for him, and the strong frame of his posts on the subject tend to line up followers, comments, haters, etc. but it’s not the whole story, and it won’t necessarily work for every guy or every female.

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  165. on May 22, 2009 at 6:20 pm Default DJ

    For all the men here. You know it is true that Every 1’s a Winner

    For the ladies this might be true.
    [Chic noir: Don’t get a swelled head, it is just the name of the band 🙂 ]

    Roissy asked me to pass on this message to the women older than 25 years. This is, I am afraid, true

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  166. on May 22, 2009 at 6:21 pm Default DJ

    Play good game, and tonight you could be …

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  167. on May 22, 2009 at 6:24 pm Obsidian

    I too am scratching my head a bit after observing Lady Rain’s comments and overall vibe; she has not laidout a clear, cogent, detailed argument as to why she disagrees w/Roissy’s approach. Doing so would at the least, show her to be the sensible, reasoned person she herself has purported to be. Instead, she has basically personally attacked the “man”-in this case, Roissy-instead of his argument. Moreover, she has attacked others.

    Now, in fairness, it could be argued that she too has been attacked personally, ie, “slut” and so on. Duly noted.

    But here’s where I’m having difficulty-why is she here? To what end? For who? For what?
    A major component of Game is Evolutionary Pyschology & Biology, the study of human adaptations to the Earth’s varied environments, first physically, and then behaviorally, particularly as it relates to mating and reproduction. PUAs study these key insights in order to better exploit them for their benefit, namely, discovering and then playing to Women’s age-old “triggers” of attraction insofar as mating is concerned. And in case Lady Rain or anyone else takes exception to such a strategy, keep in mind please, that Women have long made use of similar “triggers” for Men-indeed, there is a worldwide business that makes revenues that dwarfs the US Pentagon’s defence spending budget per annum-which is larger than all the other developed nation’s defence budgets, *combined*. Think about that.
    What Roissy has spoken to in this post, is what are known in the community commonly as “Negs” carefully planted, back-handed compliments designed to both demonstrate higher value as a Male, while at the same time lowering the Female’s perceived (or indeed, real) value). Now, why does this even work (and trust me Lady Rain, it DOES work)?

    Well, that’s because Women want it to-they don’t get attracted to Men whom they see as needing them, or being needy in general, for that matter. Women prefer to partner, for a night or a lifetime, with a Man they see as “bigger”, “better” and more “powerful” than them.

    Now Lady Rain, you’ve registered your displeasure at Roissy’s comments and Roissy himself. But perhaps your arguments would have longer legs if you could explain explicitly why, Negging does not work? W/case examples, other than your own anecdotal example, please? Because I think it fair to say, that the majority of the Men in attendance, can tell you, w/o fear of reprisal or correction, that in the main, Negs DO work. Again, and again.

    If I may Lady Rain, by your own testimony, freely offered by you I might add, doesn’t acquit you well, w/all due respect, nor have your subsequent comments, including those about your father, give an impression of right teaching on his part, or of right thinking or action on yours, insofar as the focus of this forum is concerned. To wit:

    You are a single mother.

    You are such because of poor choices made on your behalf.

    Your son has, by all accounts, a much more difficult road to Manhood as a result, even assuming his grandfather is around long enough to see him grow to manhood.

    These few facts alone, call into serious question the veracity of *any* comments or statements you have made, or are likely to make in the future. Please, do not take this as a personal dig, it is not. Just tallying the facts as you have laid them out.

    You are not, and by all accounts, have no intention to marry

    Nor has your record as you’ve reported it shown an ability to keep a LTR going (personally I’ve averaged about 3 yrs, currently in 1 for 6 years, another soon 2 be a year, and have dated one Woman more than a decade)

    I trust you see my point.

    While it is largely true, Women do have an inherent edge in the mating game-tht of being able to get sex/dick pretty much anytime they ant it-that does come with a bit of fine print. One, is it assumes that said Woman is at least desirable enough to avoid the 20% of all Women who ever lived who failed to reproduce, for whatever reason. Sure, reproduction does not necessarily mean sex, although anyone who’s honest would have to admit that it is a decent proxy for it. Another is Age-in the main, once a Woman hits 35 or so, on average, her better reproductive days are behind her, and w/it, her ability to command attention from the choicest Males in the field. Now, that might not happen to you, and for what it’s worth I’m rootin’ for ya. But I wouldn’t be honest if I didn’t tell you the deal here, straight up. Which leads me to something Roissy alluded to but didn’t explicity speak to…

    And key strength Men have is, quite frankly, we have a wider margin of error, than do Women-and hence why some member’s remarks saying that your son’s father is the actual evolutionary winner between the two of you. This is because, not only has he successfully put his genes into the future w/minimal to no investment on his part, but at any time he can turn his life around and startup another family. Indeed, we see this all the time-please note how often divorced Men remarry, versus divorced Women. You’re not married, I know, but we can say the same of cohabiting couples. In fact, even moreso, since it is a known fact that they tend to be inherently more unstable than marriages, even in our time.

    So, when Roissy says that Men 35 and up have an easier go of mating w/choicer females than the other way around, he’s telling the truth in the broadest of terms, in the main, on average. Again, you may beat the odds-its happened before. My Dad once hit for more than 100K at Atlantic City. But that was a fluke. It would be foolish to bank on such a “strategem”.

    I am not certain what your ethnic/racial makeup is Lady Rain, but as an African American I can tell you where your path almost invariably leads, moe often than not, among Black folk. Trust me, it will get harder and harder to contend w/a Manchild as he enters the dog days of his teenage years. And w/no father figure around-apparently at your behest-it is a recipe for disaster. Now, if you’re White, and perhaps middle class, the latter of which you seem to be, perhaps you’ll be able to mitigate against what we know about this from Black America. But if trends measured in White America-White, suburban America-are any indication, Black America becomes the canary in the coalmine, rather than some social and demographic aberration.

    I trust you can see my point.

    And I wish you well.

    The Obsidian

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  168. on May 22, 2009 at 6:25 pm dspa

    This is the most fucking disturbing thing I’ve ever seen. Holy shit, some of things posted are just so mindblowingly misogynist that it just makes my head spin.

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  169. on May 22, 2009 at 6:25 pm kim

    Default User,

    I used the word “some” so that it was clear I didn’t think everyone thought that. So I think I made it pretty clear that I understood it wasn’t all men, yea?

    Broad…I can commend you on stepping out of the usual “feminist” or “slut” or “whore,” so kudos for creativity 🙂

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  170. on May 22, 2009 at 6:27 pm Default DJ

    With all this talk of game, remember to Put a Little Love in Your Heart

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  171. on May 22, 2009 at 6:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    asshole game:

    you my woman get me off to nurse chick

    chick that is quite a statement! a bold one to, cuz I didn’t even know I had a man.

    me: you still talkin bout shit that ain’t sexy baby.

    Major time pause with me not making any response.

    chick So, you just want my lips around your dick.

    ironies of life.

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  172. on May 22, 2009 at 6:35 pm Default DJ

    David Alexander

    I know you have no interest in game but you can always Drive all night

    or even Drive all night with Cyndi Lauper (Not sure if she has nails).

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  173. on May 22, 2009 at 6:36 pm Default User

    Normal service resumes.

    Have a great weekend.

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  174. on May 22, 2009 at 6:40 pm Default User

    maurice

    I agree, you need to adapt game principles to your own personality.

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  175. on May 22, 2009 at 6:43 pm Default User

    kim

    I used the word “some” so that it was clear I didn’t think everyone thought that. So I think I made it pretty clear that I understood it wasn’t all men, yea?

    I got the “some” but wanted to reinforce the point for those that might not.

    And that is enough of your backchat. The last thing I need is some dame giving me a headache.
    [even if she recognizes my creativity]

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  176. on May 22, 2009 at 6:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    even american bitches will feed me:

    chick if i could go breakfast lunch and dinner and snack time i’d be set

    me eat in bed but you got to feed me.

    chick that;s a good workout!!! ;o)
    I could do that

    “”””””After i explained how i like to fuck all fucking day and various positions.””””””””

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  177. on May 22, 2009 at 6:47 pm Lady Rain

    Gig– I admit I am extremely confused as to this quote of yours:

    “Lady, one more to you. It is to much coincidence that in the same month when the heart attack stuff and the jerk’s marriage were told me, you appeared in this forum”

    (I have no idea what this means or what you are referring to therefore I cannot answer it)

    Also gig I am not retarded and realize he has 50% his father’s genes and I keep a very close watch to see overly aggressive behavior as he is only 5 at this point. Other than being abusive, his father was not a “criminal” at any point in his life. Also as for looks/physical side of the gene pool, if he looks like that won’t bother me and physically his “father” was in very good shape, a handsome guy, and never EVER got sick so there were some bonuses there that I’m grateful for. Also a child doesnt’ become a criminal just because they’re from a single parent whether male or female. Let’s be honest here…. it’s because a single parent obviously has one less set of eyes on the child and they may get into more trouble (crime). I’m well aware these things are possible which is why I live in a very small suburb now and moved out of the city to avoid the crime and the bad schools there. We don’t even have to lock our doors here, so environmentally speaking there’s not much worry.

    Racer X– um thanks but no thanks.

    Too late for romance: well if you want my son to mow your lawn you’ll have to teach him because I have never mowed a lawn in my life and certainly wouldn’t be able to show my son how to, lol!

    On your second attempted insult, I suppose a single mother should be out getting drunk and partying on a Friday as opposed to being home spending time with my son? Way to contradict yourself.

    Steve: I am not going to talk to you anymore if you keep repeating things that I already stated above a milllion times. Please try to pay attention if you’re going to post such long messages.

    Your very first example is retarded because I already explained that my ex from a year ago is waiting with baited breath to get married and be a dad (don’t ask me why) and even without getting any sex from me, he still runs around and tries to do everything for me (which is annoying) and he is well aware that I will never be with him again (since I have told him a million times). If I was looking for a “beta” I believe this particular ex would fit your description and that means I already have that option and am choosing NOT to act on it.

    Second we already covered a million times that YES I made a bad choice in men and had a son with him by choice. I’m not arguing that and seriously we’ve gone over this a million times already. Every person posting here has made a “bad choice” in dating or else they wouldn’t be here. You are not “above me” for simply pointing out a mistake that I’ve already owned up to.

    Third, you say “if she’s telling the truth about being abused”. Well exactly HOW would someone prove something like that??? I can’t and you know it so either assume I’m telling the truth or ignore me altogether because no one can “prove” such a thing on the internet.

    Also just for the sake of fun I’ll tell you that I’m not the kind of woman who could “move a man to hit a woman” for the usual reasons a guy has. I am not violent, I don’t throw things at men and yell and scream and I’ve never hit a man because I feel that a woman abusing a man is just as bad as vice versa, so its’ not like his life was in danger or something like that. If I’m angry I’m the type to shut down and be silent and look through the person I’m angry at without seeing them at all.

    Gunslinger– I am clearly damned either way for some on here.

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  178. on May 22, 2009 at 6:50 pm kim

    Default User,

    You initiated the backchat, my friend. My original post was just supporting doug’s, not really arguing anything. You brought it upon yourself!

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  179. on May 22, 2009 at 6:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    ok folks at this point this bitch will do just about any fucking thing i want her to and I havn’t even fucked her yet

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  180. on May 22, 2009 at 6:53 pm cptnapalm

    There Obsidian goes again… being all reasonable and such.

    Pet Peeve: the phrase “father figure”

    The phrase implies that any guy can serve as a father substitute. This just is not true. It is by daily observance that sons learn to be men from their fathers, who have authority over their children. The authority part is important; mom’s new boyfriend/husband/whatever does not have any sort of genuine authority over her kids, by and large, and the kids know it.

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  181. on May 22, 2009 at 6:54 pm Default User

    kim

    Just to be clear. I was joking in my “backchat” responses.

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  182. on May 22, 2009 at 6:54 pm doug1

    kim–

    Very true. Contrary to what some may believe, women don’t want to feel like shit all the time or be with someone who is going to make them feel like that all the time.

    Pretty awesome all around, aren’t I?

    You know you might have a window of opportunity here while someone is being all diligent about upcoming exams.

    But don’t tell Bhetti. Who never reads here these days.

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  183. on May 22, 2009 at 6:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    After i fuck this bitch for 7 days straight i can tell her to jump she will ask how high. I can tell her to dive off a cliff and she will grow wings

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  184. on May 22, 2009 at 7:02 pm Obsidian

    Capt. Napalm,
    Yea, I admit it, I’m a glutton for punishment, lol. I keep wanting to believe in people’s ability to *reason*, just on a commonsense level. One need not have read Burke or Locke here. Just a reasonable, rational case to be made, is all I’m asking.

    Oh, well. We have to keep believing in the human capacity to reason. We have no choice. 😉

    O

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  185. on May 22, 2009 at 7:04 pm Mr.M

    Obsidian,

    that’s your first mistake. thinking everyone can be rational. i once thought that, as well. get over it, you’ll be happier.

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  186. on May 22, 2009 at 7:05 pm PA

    Obsidian (in another thread) —
    I’m not a big fan of fake boobs.

    Officially now, Obsidian is cool in my book.

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  187. on May 22, 2009 at 7:05 pm Lady Rain

    Obsidian,

    I’m surprised you posted without reading some things here. I direct my comments at Roissy, not at all “men” and I have specifically stated several times that I don’t think women are better than men or vice versa so I don’t know why you would say that.

    More importantly I have never stated that the “game” doesn’t work! The game is based on what to many people is basic psychology for both men and women with slightly different approach. Even if you were to isolate just ONE thing in psychology and said “okay I’m going to try some behavioral conditioning on my dog” it would WORK, per say.

    Creating an allusion of “he must be acting like this because he has tons of other options” is not something new in the dating world.

    So my point on that is NOT that I think Roissy’s ideas don’t work. I’m sure they work and work often. What I have a problem with is people taking tips based on psychology to “help a not so charming dude get laid” and using it as the basis for how to form ALL relationships with women in their lives whether short term or otherwise. There are more than a few men here who clearly have taken dating tips to a chest-pounding, all-consuming, “live for my dick” attitude that just isn’t healthy in the long-run no matter WHAT gender you may be.

    There is nothing wrong with a person choosing to live their life with only casual sexual relationships and things of the sort. However, any person who functions MOSTLY on tiny white lies and misrepresenting themselves to “get by” IS creating problems for themselves and is also living at the expense of the feelings of others (even when it’s someone who never did anything to you). THAT is the part I have a problem with. The sweeping generalizations and men who have turned something like “the game” into a way to get revenge on all women everywhere. THAT is taking it much too far and there are clearly a few guys here who truly just want to HURT women just to HURT them. I have a problem with ANYONE who lives likes this. I hate women who are gold-diggers and live off the generosity of others in the same way.

    Also Obsidian I am not irrational enough to think that there are NO negatives to being a single mom, however so far I have done very well in giving him the same kind of life any other kid has (ie: as normal and comfortable as possible). I have already stated that I know being a single parent isn’t “ideal”, but I am a very motivated person and I can honestly say I have never failed at anything I actually put effort into (I sort of come from a family that demands no less than perfection) I was never abused as a child, got excellent grades right through college, and have held down jobs consistently since the age of 14. The chances of me allowing myself to “fail” as a mother are slim in the way of thinking if I just go with the flow, things will be fine. I expect no less from my son than I would from any other able-bodied, educated person. Also, since you asked I am a white woman and my son is white as well.

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  188. on May 22, 2009 at 7:06 pm kim

    Default,

    Does that mean you want more backchat then..?

    Doug,

    I had my exams last month, although the UK university that I’m at is kind of a joke compared to where I go in the US, which isn’t even a great school in the first place, so I didn’t really have to study much, which was nice.

    And yes, pretty awesome. What this blog really needs is more Bible-like quoting haha.

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  189. on May 22, 2009 at 7:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Live game seminar ongoing.
    Now i just met this chick today:

    me I’d like to see you suck the cum out then spit it in your hand then lick it off slow

    chick I prefer 2 have u cum and lick it off ur dick or have u come in my mouth while I swallow

    me which makes you a good girl i want you to be the best me now do like i said

    chick Lmao

    chick Ok, so u cum in my mouth, I spit it into my hand, & slowly, slowly,slowly lick it all up

    me aww little cutie

    chick Mmmmmmmm

    While I am lickin u all up, u stick 2 fingers in my pussy. & start 2 finger fuck me

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  190. on May 22, 2009 at 7:06 pm doug1

    novaseeker

    There is no way out of that problem.

    Sure there is.

    Overthrow the government and repeal by fiat the amendment giving women the right to vote. Then with the resulting electorate, ratify it.

    Neither idea had ever crossed my mind, which I mean literally, before coming here. And being here a lot.

    I’m not saying that’s where I am. I’m saying don’t tell me there’s no way out.

    I do creative and invention all the time.

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  191. on May 22, 2009 at 7:09 pm Mr.M

    Lady –

    why are you spending time here, again? answer the question.

    i’m still at a loss what you seek to gain from reading and debating.

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  192. on May 22, 2009 at 7:10 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gunny, time to keep the ADD on the DL

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  193. on May 22, 2009 at 7:10 pm Virgin@40

    Great post Roissy, great. I truly have to digest it, and I have so many questions that I don’t even know where to start.

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  194. on May 22, 2009 at 7:11 pm Obsidian

    Mr. M,
    LOL, Brown Sugah was just saying the very same thing to me the other day-she says I’m way too logical for my own good, lol. But you know, as I get just a weebit older and wiser, so much pain in our lives could be avoided, or at least lessened, if we took a page outta Spock’s book so to speak. I’m not talking about bein an android here, just saying to use our heads for a little more than a hatrack, you get me?

    *sigh*

    O

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  195. on May 22, 2009 at 7:12 pm PA

    The chances of me allowing myself to “fail” as a mother are slim in the way of thinking if I just go with the flow, things will be fine. I expect no less from my son than I would from any other able-bodied, educated person.

    Word to the wise, you may be unaware that a boy growing up needs a male in the house. For all I know, maybe his development needs the testosterone in the air. I know my wife sometimes says that she suddenly feels calmer when I come back from work. “It must be the smell of man I finally feel in the room” she says.

    Also, he needs to have a male role model. Ideally, someone he can emulate. But evel less ideally, someone who he can use as a guide in how NOT to be. You don’t sound like a trashy woman and for that reason, I’d advise you, for the boy’s sake, to get yourself a husband. Doesn’t matter if he’s a beta.

    Or if understandably a beta is unacceptable, then some older divorced guy with alpha qualities, whom you can give a child too.

    Without a man in the house, your boy will either become a terror to you, or a momma’s boy pussy, once he’s a teenager.

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  196. on May 22, 2009 at 7:13 pm novaseeker

    Overthrow the government and repeal by fiat the amendment giving women the right to vote. Then with the resulting electorate, ratify it.

    Neither idea had ever crossed my mind, which I mean literally, before coming here. And being here a lot.

    I’m not saying that’s where I am. I’m saying don’t tell me there’s no way out.

    @Doug1 —

    Okay, I meant “realistic” way out. 🙂

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  197. on May 22, 2009 at 7:13 pm Mr.M

    O,

    I hear you man. Don’t get me wrong in that i think being emotional (irrational) is the way to go. Its not. Emotions have its purpose, but many people can’t turn them off (or, control them) when they need to.

    That’s what causes the problems.

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  198. on May 22, 2009 at 7:16 pm Mr.M

    On a side note, emotional responses is pretty much what makes game so successful.

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  199. on May 22, 2009 at 7:16 pm Mr.M

    dumb bitches.

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  200. on May 22, 2009 at 7:19 pm whiskey

    No wiser point has Obsidian made than African-Americans are the canary in the American coal mine.

    I find Lady Rain’s denials of any possibility of enhanced bad outcome from both genes and single motherhood fascinating. Women know, and know well, the enhanced outcomes for boys: lower grades, lower educational achievement, far more likely to be convicted of a crime, far more likely to become an abuser, far more likely to be a drug abuser.

    This holds true EVEN for people in the Middle Class. [Upper class people by and large are almost NEVER single parents, the few celebutards far outweighed by old money and the Bill Gates types. The risk of the next generation falling down is just too great.]

    What is it that women want? Lady Rain is a good example, after basic security needs are met by either grandparents/the State/etc., it’s as many exciting, dominant, Alpha men as possible, and kids on their own terms.

    In short, most women IMHO are like Lady Rain, and would willingly sacrifice their children’s long term outcomes for short term romantic/sexual pleasure. Duh! Women generally have a shorter future time orientation, whenever basic needs are met.

    Lady Rain is not a “slut” or a “whore.” She is the future of American womanhood. If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Because this is the female sexual utopia.

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  201. on May 22, 2009 at 7:21 pm PA

    If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Having a newborn boy, these thoughts are never far from my mind. I’m not one to give in to despair over which way society is going, but at the same time, I know which way the wind is blowing.

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  202. on May 22, 2009 at 7:22 pm Lady Rain

    PA,

    Ugh. Honestly, both of those options would be really rough for me for two reasons above all else:

    1. I HATE hearing about people’s feelings (no matter what gender) and am often accused of being “cold” because I’m not very emotional and tend to come off an uncaring when it’s more just that I was raised in a family who believes that showing emotion is showing weakness which also plays into my “discomfort” when someone wants to get real lovey and emotional– therefore the thought of a long term beta crying in my ears makes me want to poke my eardrums out in preparation.

    2. The option of a more Alpha-but older divorcee is equally horrifying because I am very very prone to dating guys who are either my age or at least 5 years younger. I have never dated a guy who was even slightly older than me because I can admit I’m shallow and an older man’s look just doesn’t do anything for me!

    If these are the choices I’ll take beer and video games instead please!

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  203. on May 22, 2009 at 7:24 pm Mr.M

    Does anyone else think Lady is on this board because she knows that she has 0 dating value/capacity left? And is just commiserating about it online?

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  204. on May 22, 2009 at 7:25 pm Default Untitled

    untitled kim

    Does that mean you want more backchat then..?

    Hey, have at it, if you want. Run your best bratty/bitchy (female cocky/funny) game on me.

    Out of curiosity I checked your blog. You should post that “stop taking my shit” note here:
    http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/

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  205. on May 22, 2009 at 7:25 pm PA

    Lady Rain, like I implied, you don’t sound stupid or trashy. So don’t act like you are. You have a son. It’s time to quit being a high school girl. The time for that was over when you got pregnant and chose to keep the child.

    For the boy’s sake, be a mother and do the right thing.

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  206. on May 22, 2009 at 7:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol tupac from the field today little excercise for the young studs in the room about how to get what you want from a woman and this is pretty much any woman that goes home with you.

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  207. on May 22, 2009 at 7:26 pm Lady Rain

    Mr. M–

    Well I already answered as to HOW I ended up here and the reason for me being here is pretty much what you just said. I like to read, I like to debate, and I find human nature interesting. I wish there was a deep dark motive that sounds way more interesting, but I’m a single mom and I spend my weekends either at home or with a couple of friends as opposed to going out and getting shitfaced or something like that.

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  208. on May 22, 2009 at 7:26 pm novaseeker

    @Whiskey —

    Another great post.

    What is it that women want? Lady Rain is a good example, after basic security needs are met by either grandparents/the State/etc., it’s as many exciting, dominant, Alpha men as possible, and kids on their own terms.

    In short, most women IMHO are like Lady Rain, and would willingly sacrifice their children’s long term outcomes for short term romantic/sexual pleasure. Duh! Women generally have a shorter future time orientation, whenever basic needs are met.

    She’s kind of a poster child for your theory of women, I’d agree, W. Almost to a tee, really. And in the age range where I think your theory applies best, too.

    If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Or … avoid. I mean genetic destiny isn’t everything. You can have a nice life and not pass on your genes.

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  209. on May 22, 2009 at 7:27 pm maurice

    I think she’s fascinated by the site. Came here from a comedy site thinking it was a joke, and got pulled in to the truth and power of our arguments. even the hostile ones contained valid points relevant to her life. stick around sweetie! and you are already starting to write better — another positive influence after only a few days.

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  210. on May 22, 2009 at 7:29 pm Tupac Chopra

    Nova:

    The impact is already being felt. A *lot* of men in their 20s are underachieving, underperforming and disinterested in the wider society, in ambition and so on. It’s because their chances with women are small in this culture. We are creating a growing class of untertan, untouchable sexual caste males who are basically going to be seen soon enough as human refuse.

    I’ve given a lot of thought to the dilemma facing us all in the Westernized nations.

    After much painful deliberation in my mind, I have come to what may be called Tupac’s Final Solution.

    We must — simply must — marshall all of our available resources and technology. We need to gather the strength of will to do things that in earlier times might have been considered unthinkable.

    With this steely resolve and renewed vigor, we will — by government fiat, if need be — acquire the services of one Alias Clio. We will throw all available fertility technology at the problem. With such a *prime* specimen of caucasianosity, intelligence and beauty in our hands, the program to repopulate the world with right thinking children will begin forthwith.

    IVF will allow us to salvage her spectacular, one-of-a-kind eggs, and with the assistance of certain right-thinking alphas on this blog, we could concievably fertilize enough eggs in enough time to possibly create a Brave New World, with Alias Clio serving as the new Eve, representing a singularity in the evolution of humanity to a new level of organization.

    While the incubation of the eggs would necessarily be done via the latest technology to maximize numerical potential, I feel that — as a sort of hat-tip to the old world order — the fertilization should be done in the traditional manner.

    I call dibs.

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  211. on May 22, 2009 at 7:30 pm novaseeker

    I am very very prone to dating guys who are either my age or at least 5 years younger. I have never dated a guy who was even slightly older than me

    @LR —

    So babydaddy was 18-23? Wow. That was a really bad decision, then, indeed.

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  212. on May 22, 2009 at 7:32 pm oscar

    http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/47614/roissy-in-dc/0

    here is the link to the thread lady rain came from . i think she is wendy leigh. check a pic of her out. u guys should read it. i wonder who the guy is in that thread defending roissy. yabe he posts here

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  213. on May 22, 2009 at 7:33 pm oscar

    sorry. misspelling. i meant i bet he posts here. damn there are some serious roissy haters in that thread. good for laughs.

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  214. on May 22, 2009 at 7:33 pm Mr.M

    Lady –

    I take it you missed my earlier comment, which i already differentiated between why and how.

    dumb bitch

    i’m curious then, if you’re here in some sort of academic measure (to learn about human nature), then why are you so up in arms about people learning as well?

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  215. on May 22, 2009 at 7:33 pm Obsidian

    Lady Rain,
    Listening to one of my faves, Lisa Stansfield, while reading your comments. Pardon the delay in my own reply to you.

    Ok, it appears that you take issue w/two aspects of Game, for lack of a better word: one, its seeming focus on “living for one’s dick”; and two, its apparent misogyny.

    Let’s examine these points in turn.

    Like you, there are those who wrongly assume that Game is geared for primarily multiple, short term sexual relationships. This is a grave misunderstanding of what Game is, and indeed, in the archives of this very venue, Roissy himself makes it very clear that it is quite possible to employ the tenets of Game within the confines of a longterm, monogamous relationship or even marriage. Indeed, members of the forum, such as Dave From Hawaii, PA, Doug and others, have written about just this at considerable length.

    As for the Game=Misogyny “equation”, I beg to differ w/those who make such a connection; insofar as I am concerned, it is inaccurate. Game is not value laden, it is *amoral*-it is what the practitioner wants it to be, good or bad. W/o question, great evil can be done in the name of Game, and the reverse is also true, tremendous good can come from Game, which, personally, is why Players, from the in it for the longhaul types like Dave From Hawaii to Men like Roissy, have a duty to make the distinction and to do what they/we can to nudge younger Men on the “white side of the Force” if you will.

    I do not cotton to the idea that Game is inherently misogynist, or that Game invariably makes one a misogynist; as noted above, Game in itself, is devoid of such aims. What I think is, that if a Man already sees Women in a certain dehumanizing light, his learning and subsequent application of Game will be such that it will be consistent w/his misogynistic views and beliefs. But the two are not intrinsically linked.

    I have gone on record, in this forum, publicly, that learning has given me a much deeper appreciation for Women since learning Game, not less. They cannot help being attracted to a dominant Male anymore than Men cannot help being attracted by a Woman w/a hourglass figure. In other words, Game posits that these “triggers’ of attracted are in-born in us – what Game does, insofar as Women are concerned, is teach Men how to push those attraction buttons in a Woman. Whether the button pusher respects or even likes Women, is a matter completely seperate from Game itself.

    Any questions?

    O

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  216. on May 22, 2009 at 7:34 pm novaseeker

    While the incubation of the eggs would necessarily be done via the latest technology to maximize numerical potential, I feel that — as a sort of hat-tip to the old world order — the fertilization should be done in the traditional manner.

    I call dibs.

    Hehe, I like that one. 🙂

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  217. on May 22, 2009 at 7:34 pm PA

    Alias Clio serving as the new Eve

    With her Polish and French ancestry? What a glorious new beginning that would be.

    And what are you Tupac? Anglo/Spaniard in parentage, as you once implied? That would be a good rounding out of Clio’s Romantic heritage with your empire-building one.

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  218. on May 22, 2009 at 7:37 pm Mr.M

    O,

    just don’t. don’t. no.

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  219. on May 22, 2009 at 7:41 pm aoefe

    You men are so happy with even a sniff of pussy on this blog you will waste your intelligence responding to L.R’s diatribe. Beta behaviour? Just askin…
    (Aoefe = EeeFah and I’m a chick masquerading as a chick)

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  220. on May 22, 2009 at 7:41 pm kim

    Default,

    Thanks for the suggestion, I sent it in! I had never seen that website before so I’ll have to go back later and skim through it a bit.

    We’ll engage in some more backchat later…right now I need to go to bed and try to catch up on sleep!

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  221. on May 22, 2009 at 7:43 pm Chuck

    Gunslinger:

    “I can tell her to dive off a cliff and she will grow wings”

    your command would be more impressive if she dove off w/o the wings.

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  222. on May 22, 2009 at 7:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    when i am finished i treat em nice

    never use your only use you

    you such a cutie

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  223. on May 22, 2009 at 7:44 pm maurice

    @obs – good stuff.

    @lady rain – if you are wendy leigh (writing style a strong clue), and that is your pic, you are attractive enough to explain your view that any woman can get laid at any time. not true for fat/old/ugly, though. most women in their prime years can get laid any time they want – that window is shorter than you think, though. See roissy’s point about men having better mating options at much older ages.

    kudos to you for coming here and checking out the site for yourself, notwithstanding the grouphate on the Cracked site. Seriously, “Cracked” ?!?!? It’s for pre-teens – I didn’t even think it existed any more. congratulations on your move to a more adult environment.

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  224. on May 22, 2009 at 7:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    chick Thanks

    Thanks again. My duty 4 my country has been met. Lol

    I give her props she was a nice american chick there may be hope.

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  225. on May 22, 2009 at 7:45 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Please everybody.

    You’re proving yourself Beta by letting a single mother hijack a thread. We all know the issues involved in that and we also should know single mothers are physically incapable of understanding said issues.

    Instead, can we build on what Roissy originally wrote??? Here is my contribution. I’d like to see more HELPFUL NEG IDEAS, not single mom bullshit.

    Her: What are you listening to.

    Me: Bon Iver.

    Her: I’ve never heard of them?!

    Me: Oh well, it’s some new indie stuff — you’re probably too mature for that scene.

    Her: Hey, I’m not that old!

    Me: I didn’t say you were, but then it was you who didn’t know Bon Iver. Do you know Bon Jovi?

    Her: That I know.

    Me: Well, that’s a start…

    That’s how it’s done. Let’s see more of this.

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  226. on May 22, 2009 at 7:46 pm Lady Rain

    Nova–

    ummm since I was 23 when I was pregnant then yes it makes sense that my ex was 23 also. I don’t think most found that to be as confusing as you seemed to.

    Whiskey–

    If you had read before insulting you’d see that no one financially or physically raises my son including the State or his grandparents. He lives with me in my own place. I do not have any State benefits or welfare and my own parents are very much against “giving money” to children (ie: the reason we were made to get jobs at age 14 growing up)

    Please at least check your facts before trying to insult.

    Mr. M–

    Of COURSE it’s interesting! There’s also a crazily feminist blogger that I read and hold a similar interest in because the post are SO ridiculous. (she doesn’t allow comments on hers, though evidently)

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  227. on May 22, 2009 at 7:47 pm oscar

    http://www.cracked.com/phpimages/members/avatars/2/8/80862_100.jpg?v=7

    thats def HER , if u know what i mean ;). she capitalizes random words, same tone, everything. interesting. that dude headmaster held his own in that forum defending roissy, he actually comes across, gasp, sophisticated and reasonable !

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  228. on May 22, 2009 at 7:49 pm doug1

    kim–

    And yes, pretty awesome. What this blog really needs is more Bible-like quoting haha.

    Actually, that response was pretty creative and awesome. You know what I mean. Giving, and covering.

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  229. on May 22, 2009 at 7:50 pm novaseeker

    ummm since I was 23 when I was pregnant then yes it makes sense that my ex was 23 also. I don’t think most found that to be as confusing as you seemed to.

    Okay I missed the part where you said he was the same age as you, and cued off of where you said mostly you dated younger men.

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  230. on May 22, 2009 at 7:51 pm Default User

    kim the playette

    We’ll engage in some more backchat later…right now I need to go to bed and try to catch up on sleep!

    A takeaway. Very good.

    Girl’s got game.

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  231. on May 22, 2009 at 7:52 pm Mr.M

    Days of Broken Arrows,

    agree with the thread hi-jacking.

    but, i disagree that it is somehow beta to speak about, well, whatever you want to speak about, especially in a forum of sorts. it’s kind of silly to generalize every single “interaction” as either alpha or beta, don’t you think?

    granted, if you went to a bar, and just listened to a girl talk and talk and talk while surrounded by 20 guys. okay. THAT’s beta.

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  232. on May 22, 2009 at 7:53 pm Lady Rain

    Maurice–

    Guilty as charged. Yes I’m Wendy Leigh on there and yes I did discover this blog through there. I assure you that I’m not exactly well liked on there either! A good debate is a good debate, none the less.

    What makes me laugh so much when someone calls me a “feminist” is that I’m by trade a CNC Programmer/Machinist and for anyone who has EVER worked in a “shop” type atmosphere, “betas” are pretty much non-existent and I assure you that a young woman who doesn’t “look the part” of a Machinist such as myself would NEVER be able to keep/hold a job in that industry if I were sensitive to dirty talk, guy stuff, or even mild sexual harassment. It’s not easy to get along with gruff old guys who grew up in an era where even SEEING a woman in a shop was crazy, let alone one who is a trained Machinist. I am around men a very large percent of the time and barely even associate with women (because my job sort of makes that nearly impossible) and the vision of myself at work acting like this “hardcore feminist” I’ve been accused of being is hysterical for that very reason.

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  233. on May 22, 2009 at 7:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””There is nothing wrong with a person choosing to live their life with only casual sexual relationships and things of the sort. However, any person who functions MOSTLY on tiny white lies and misrepresenting themselves to “get by” IS creating problems for themselves and is also living at the expense of the feelings of others (even when it’s someone who never did anything to you). “”””””

    If you read my dialougue with some chick you will note no lies. I could go to her house and fuck her.

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  234. on May 22, 2009 at 7:56 pm doug1

    Default

    Thumbs up.

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  235. on May 22, 2009 at 7:57 pm Lady Rain

    Oscar–

    He was actually fun to debate with (headmaster that is) right up until he posted (allegedly drunk) and started it with this:

    “My life rulz! I made out with this Swedish Bikini Model….”

    I think that comment itself is obvious for the reasons he then got made fun of.

    Also, yes Oscar there is no mistaking my odd style of writing and I often have to switch to the “proper” typing because people find my endless sentences confusing.

    I type the way I think…. one thought on top of the next.

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  236. on May 22, 2009 at 7:58 pm Mr.M

    Lady –

    You really do not understand game, and its purpose (its okay, a lot of people dont). Try to read a bit (go through some archives, and other blogs), and try not to type so much.

    Your outrage at what is already in motion does nothing for any party involved.

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  237. on May 22, 2009 at 8:00 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Mr.M,

    What you and others have done is played in to Lady Rain’s hand and fed the attention whore in her. And, again, she is not the type of woman any of us should be dating, so yeah that’s Beta.

    Anyway, here’s another example of what Roissy was talking about. The scene is the local mall.

    Her: Hey! How are you.

    Me: Wow, good to see you. I never expected to see you here.

    Her: Um, why? What do you mean?

    Me: Nothing. Just didn’t expect to see you. Anyway, how have you been?

    The subtext: She wasn’t the most stylish dressed and the Mall was the place to go for clothes. She picked this up right away, because her body language got self-conscious (she started unconsciously smoothing out her clothes).

    The funny thing is I did this accidentally in my younger years. I felt bad, but funny enough it worked.

    It would be great if all y’all would get with this instead of arguing sociology like Rush Limbaugh on a bad bad.

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  238. on May 22, 2009 at 8:01 pm Anonymous

    If you guys do want to debate ladyrain and what not, it would be much more entertaining and on topic over at the cracked forum. Who’s game?

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  239. on May 22, 2009 at 8:05 pm Markku

    The impact is already being felt. A *lot* of men in their 20s are underachieving, underperforming and disinterested in the wider society, in ambition and so on.

    This has, in fact, been the subject of many a news story in Finland lately.

    It’s because their chances with women are small in this culture. We are creating a growing class of untertan, untouchable sexual caste males who are basically going to be seen soon enough as human refuse.

    But not this.

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  240. on May 22, 2009 at 8:08 pm Lady Rain

    Obsidian,

    yes and that is why my “hate” is typically directed at Roissy himself and not everyone on here. I remember the tv show and it didn’t “bother me” in the slightest. However people like Welmer and some others CLEARLY are using it for the darkest reasons they can find. While that is their choice to live how they want to, the people using this as a “weapon” against women everywhere are no better than the feminists who want to wipe the world free of men.

    Again, the concept itself isn’t upsetting because we are all guilty of some sort of “psychological game” in almost everything we as humans do! However, using this to make things a little easier is a lot different than using this to wage an imaginary war on one sex is both immature and creepy.

    Do not mistakenly think I’m claiming to be an innocent woman who has never played “mind games” but I also know in the end using this as a lifestyle instead of an occasional buffer is destructive for the people they are manipulating and also for themselves. Let’s face it, truly hating one gender/race/culture as a whole breeds nothing but more hate.

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  241. on May 22, 2009 at 8:12 pm Mr.M

    Days,

    It’s beta only if someone wanted to date her, and pine for her affection and attention. See, I don’t get how people can be critical of an internet-based interaction; who gives a shit?

    I read some of the comments on those cracked.com forums – I also find it funny how apparently 99% of the posters their take Roissy’s word literally. how if roissy takes to insulting a commenter, he’s apparently a “shrieking prepubescent.” so what? its funny.

    also, i get your request for situational negs, but this is stuff that is just done on the fly. i don’t like reading these blogs for “routines” or “one-liners”, but more about mind-set and behavioral theory/observations.

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  242. on May 22, 2009 at 8:13 pm Lady Rain

    Oh, also sorry if I “hijacked” I certainly didn’t intend to, but it takes a lot of typing to answer the 5 or 6 people who ask me a question.

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  243. on May 22, 2009 at 8:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””Chuck
    Gunslinger:

    “I can tell her to dive off a cliff and she will grow wings”

    your command would be more impressive if she dove off w/o the wings.””””””””””””

    Well yea chuck she would think she was flying till she hit the ground. Why I havn’t actually tried it yet. I may do it one day out a window having previously set up a movie stunt type balloon down below.

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  244. on May 22, 2009 at 8:15 pm novaseeker

    However people like Welmer and some others CLEARLY are using it for the darkest reasons they can find. While that is their choice to live how they want to, the people using this as a “weapon” against women everywhere are no better than the feminists who want to wipe the world free of men.

    Welmer is? Hmph. Not my impression of him.

    As for the rest of what you say, what you see here is a rear guard action against the sexual marketplace wrought by feminism and the feminist sexual revolution … and, yes, the women who support feminism, which is almost all women, including women who do not openly label as “feminist”. War has been waged on men for decades. These men have a right to fight back as they wish.

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  245. on May 22, 2009 at 8:16 pm Mr.M

    Lady –

    1) your griping will not change roissy or his fans.

    2) did it ever occur that possibly roissy writes a little over the top? with some satire? sarcasm? you know what’s funny about your problem with it? women still decide who they want (to fuck) or not. if you really have a problem, go teach women how to not want an alpha (perceived or genuine).

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  246. on May 22, 2009 at 8:18 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “also, i get your request for situational negs, but this is stuff that is just done on the fly. i don’t like reading these blogs for “routines” or “one-liners”, but more about mind-set and behavioral theory/observations.”

    Mindset comes from examples because by seeing them, you know how to spot an opening when the real thing rolls around.

    Most people watch a baseball game or two before picking up a bat. Observing helps. Since I’m not about the follow Roissy and Obsidian around for a day, I like to know what they do.

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  247. on May 22, 2009 at 8:22 pm Welmer

    whiskey

    No wiser point has Obsidian made than African-Americans are the canary in the American coal mine.

    I have come around to this school of thought as well.

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  248. on May 22, 2009 at 8:23 pm Lady Rain

    Mr. M–

    Also something I stated earlier is that obviously Roissy has to write with a bit more “exaggeration” to keep it an interesting read. I’m very much aware that he says certain things to gain interest and also to sometimes just spark a debate.

    You’re right women do decide who they do/don’t fuck. Again, you missed my statement that I think it’s wrong for EITHER sex to live as a “soul-sucker” as call them (gold-diggers, man-whores, welfare riders, etc.)

    To be perfectly honest, I don’t think I could ever teach women anything at all because A. Most women hate me B. I hate most women C. I don’t identify well with most women I have met

    If you noticed earlier I mentioned I also follow a feminist blog simply because it’s intriguing to see the OTHER dramatic end. I consider that particular blogger to be just as ridiculous as Roissy is. I have actually met women who i’ve said “I could understand if her husband hit her once or twice”. I am not without a sense of humor and am not totally irrational, but a debate isn’t much fun if everyone agrees.

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  249. on May 22, 2009 at 8:23 pm Mr.M

    days,

    i agree. so go outside and sit in a bar and watch interactions for an hour or 10. or think about your own past observations (everyone has them).

    to some degree, everyone should know what worked, and what didn’t. also, a big part of gaming is knowing what is your own style, what types of comments work with your given attitude/beliefs…so as to be congruent with …yourself.

    personally, i probably won’t be using 100% asshole comments, since I already drop sarcastic comments at people most of the time; it would just be over the top. maybe i could try it, but it probably won’t come off as theoretically intended.

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  250. on May 22, 2009 at 8:26 pm Gak Flower

    wow, roissy. Finnegans Wake is harrrd.

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  251. on May 22, 2009 at 8:27 pm dick fuel

    the most effective speech has two elements furthering its’ manipulative role…

    a) implies

    b) accounts for uncertainty

    …saying something while saying nothing at all.

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  252. on May 22, 2009 at 8:29 pm joel

    M’Lady Rain,

    Roissy’s blog wouldn’t be popular if the readers of it did not recognize the truth of it from their own experience.

    You, M’Lady, are a perfect example of what Roissy writes about. I suspect some beta male is supporting you and the son of your alpha lover, either indirectly or directly.

    Try raising a son as a single mother in a neighborhood where all the mothers are single and raising sons. Think crime, gangs, violence, as routine. I suspect you “parasitize” others, that is, traditional families, for the necessary social supports to raise your son. That is just another form of cuckcolding.

    You find offense that men like Roissy study women like you and seek to have sex with them. I suspect you have sex anytime you feel like it. Men have to work at it. That’s life. Men accept it. Why don’t you?

    That fact you you refuse to recognize the serious psychological damage to your son by cutting him off from all contact with his father for the simple act of roughing you up emphasizes your lack of understanding of the male psyche. Most women don’t have a clue to what makes a man happy or what makes boys grow into good men.

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  253. on May 22, 2009 at 8:30 pm Mr.M

    Lady –

    if you stated it in another thread, then yes i missed it. if you stated it in this thread, either you wrote a 5 paragraph essay (learn to write better) or you misinterpreted what i said. you’ve done the latter 2 or 3 times thus far.

    honestly though – its not your/mine/anyones moral dilemma if people want to live as “soul suckers.” nothing you say or do will stop this from occurring.

    if you’re bored and just want a rise, that’s fine. i just am curious about why people (fem-x as an example) come to this blog and spew all this nonsense in the most self-righteous tone a person can muster.

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  254. on May 22, 2009 at 8:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””PA
    If you have a son, I would advise him to become the most dominant, sexy man he can, and not waste his time with anything but becoming a PUA and impregnator of as many women as possible.

    Having a newborn boy, these thoughts are never far from my mind. I’m not one to give in to despair over which way society is going, but at the same time, I know which way the wind is blowing.”””””””””””””

    Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PA

    Its a boy!!!!

    What a great day off. Thanks american registered nurse chick. Thanks folks he he he

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  255. on May 22, 2009 at 8:32 pm doug1

    Default

    You see the diff?

    I’m not sayin perfect, I’m sayin huge diff.

    Not gonna try to block. Just been workin on a little green.

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  256. on May 22, 2009 at 8:34 pm Lady Rain

    Joel–

    I’d be happy to answer you except that you just accused me of a bunch of things that I have covered on here probably 10 times already. I live off myself and no one else. Seriously, no sarcasm intended just read up a bit and see I’ve already answered those very questions/accusations.

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  257. on May 22, 2009 at 8:36 pm Welmer

    Lady Rain

    Obsidian,

    yes and that is why my “hate” is typically directed at Roissy himself and not everyone on here. I remember the tv show and it didn’t “bother me” in the slightest. However people like Welmer and some others CLEARLY are using it for the darkest reasons they can find. While that is their choice to live how they want to, the people using this as a “weapon” against women everywhere are no better than the feminists who want to wipe the world free of men.

    Dark reasons? Please enlighten us.

    I asked you to state why you would be worth providing for, and you declined, saying I wanted “proof” of who you were.

    Are you so scatterbrained that you simply can’t remember what you’ve read, or are you deliberately misleading people?

    I have the feeling that you are on a jihad to discredit Roissy et al because any enlightenment amongst men in general would detract from your already shrinking value, and you really have no desire to change your behavior in the least.

    In fact, here’s your claim in this thread about the father of your child:

    Lady Rain

    Sorry, but I have never been dumped and my last serious relationship ended about a year ago and that was MY choice because he wanted to get married and I didn’t. One year later he is still trying to be with me and does so much for me by choice even though I told him I don’t want to be/never will be with him. He’s a wonderful guy, but I’m not “settling” just because he loves ME…. I just don’t love him in a deeply romantic way, so I don’t want to waste his time.

    In another thread, here’s your other excuse:

    I made a personal choice to leave his father for being abusive and somehow the image of him at 15 under MY care as opposed to both of our care (ie: watching his mom get abused and becoming one himself) is FAR less scary than the other option.

    So which of the two is it, “Lady?” Or is your lover not the father of your child? Or is the putative father not the father, as I suggested on the other thread?

    You are totally shameless. Come up with one single reason a man should provide for you, you parasite.

    And to think that judges still buy this crap… Justice is an elusive concept in family law.

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  258. on May 22, 2009 at 8:37 pm Lady Rain

    In good faith since everyone is complaining that my answers are long-winded (and they are because I cannot answer the same question over and over without doing so) I’ll give you the link to my myspace page so that you can have all the ammunition you’d like (if I’m going to be insulted I’d like them to be accurate insults at least) and also because I have nothing to hide.

    http://www.myspace.com/elemental_goddess

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  259. on May 22, 2009 at 8:39 pm whiskey

    Lady Rain, your choices are your choices. You’re not getting any younger, you have another guy’s kid in tow, you either settle for a much lesser guy or you remain alone for the rest of your life. Your choice. Neither one is likely to make you happy, best bet is to minimize unhappiness. [Any step-dad is far more likely to abuse your son. For obvious biological/Darwinistic reasons.]

    It’s not an insult. If you had to DEPEND on the income of a “beta provider” guy you would have NOT had a kid with Bad Boy at 23. It does not matter WHERE the income comes from, so long as it is stable and allows you to pursue bad boys. You make my case that improved female income = women having sex/kids with multiple bad boys. [Though clearly, you expect your parents to help with child care etc. That’s the typical pattern for single mothers and often falls apart in the next generation.]

    I mean come on. You have a kid with a bad boy and knock guys who want to learn how to act like a bad boy? Puh-lease.

    Thanks for posting here. You really make my usual points better than I could!

    Novaseeker — Lady Rain is by no means unusual. If you hang around places like Television Without Pity, Dlisted, and TMZ, you’ll find many, many female posters who describe marriage as a prison and outdated, single motherhood preferred, and so on.

    Sadly, the choice is pass on your genes, have a lot of sex, or live like a sexless monk, alone and unhappy, for men. Those are simply the cards dealt. Most young women I know of, directly, have more or less of Lady Rain’s attitudes. It’s particularly strong among women under 30. Meaning that’s the way the arrows of female choice are moving.

    I mean, look at her. With enough income, she’s chasing bad boy after bad boy. Female income is not coming down, ever, so the fundamental aspect of mating is changed to favor bad boys spreading their seed.
    —————————-
    Re manipulating women’s insecurities, it’s said that the wisest course is to flatter a beautiful woman on her intelligence (while suggesting to her that you are indeed smarter) and a smart woman on her beauty (while suggesting to her that you are indeed better looking).

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  260. on May 22, 2009 at 8:45 pm Rum

    I checked out the “Cracked” site from which Ms. Leigh came. The notable most thing was that every comment about the Roissy-Blog was 100% ad-hominem. Just crude, idea free taunting.
    Reading the Rain Lady does not make me think she is a shank or an evil person. However, she made choices and has gotten herself into a position that earlier generations would have seen as completely crazy. Admit it Lady Rain, your mom (and her fore-mothers) would have been slapped silly by their own moms if they announced that they intended to hook up with a violent-tending guy and then raise his spawn as a single mom.
    Women today are not enough afraid of ending up where Lady Rain is.
    I am glad for her that she does not seem to demand another permanent relationship or more kids. Because the odds are that is what she will get.

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  261. on May 22, 2009 at 8:45 pm Lady Rain

    Welmer, ‘

    This is why I don’t bother answering you anymore. Those two posts you just quoted. Had you READ the context, the one about the abuser is my son’s father (and yes we broke up over 5 years ago)

    The beta type I referred to is my most RECENT serious relationship ex (we broke up about a year ago)

    So to answer your question, no they are NOT the same people and we are talking about two totally different time frames.

    Also I have already explained 1000 times that there never was a judge’s involvement because when I left my son’s father 5 years ago, I offered him the choice to still be a dad or not be. He chose not to be. I agreed his choice was fine. There was no judge/judgement, I don’t collect child support, and he doesn’t request any parental rights. That was his choice not mine.

    Once again, you asked me to explain what makes me quality? I declined because it’s obvious to anyone here or anyone on the internet that I could say I help the homeless every single day or whatever I wanted and it doesn’t make it true. Furthermore the “qualities” of a woman that make them “worthwhile” depend on each individual man’s taste which is why it is pointless.

    Also since I already stated that I’m not interested in marriage or codependency of any kind I don’t have to have a reason why a guy “should provide for me” because I don’t like to depend on a man for money and don’t intend on ever doing it.

    Seriously though please don’t make me re-explain over and over.

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  262. on May 22, 2009 at 8:47 pm Mr.M

    whiskey –

    have to agree 100% with you. just checked out her myspace; oh what do you know, a picture of her ass in underwear. how completely a-typical of a mid 20-something female to do.

    the fuck? why are all women the same?

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  263. on May 22, 2009 at 8:50 pm novaseeker

    Sadly, the choice is pass on your genes, have a lot of sex, or live like a sexless monk, alone and unhappy, for men. Those are simply the cards dealt. Most young women I know of, directly, have more or less of Lady Rain’s attitudes. It’s particularly strong among women under 30. Meaning that’s the way the arrows of female choice are moving.

    I mean, look at her. With enough income, she’s chasing bad boy after bad boy. Female income is not coming down, ever, so the fundamental aspect of mating is changed to favor bad boys spreading their seed.

    Whiskey —

    I don’t disagree with the premise, but I do think that men can be happy without chasing women incessantly for sex. That doesn’t mean being celibate.

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  264. on May 22, 2009 at 8:52 pm novaseeker

    The beta type I referred to is my most RECENT serious relationship ex (we broke up about a year ago)

    LR —

    This is where you enforce Roissy. You see, we all know women do not find betas attractive, and neither do you. You had a son by a bad boy, and your subsequent betas fail to meet your romantic interest. This is why men follow Roissy. Do you understand now?

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  265. on May 22, 2009 at 8:53 pm z

    very funny post……good comic stuff……………its funny to see some of these gals really get worked up over a few negs. They must be so used to weak men saddling up to them frothing insincere compliments just to have something to say, when a true observation can say so muc more and give you two something to actually talk about.

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  266. on May 22, 2009 at 8:57 pm Lady Rain

    Nova,

    The reason I don’t agree is because while my son’s father was bad in the way of alcohol and abuse, he was also extremely into working, being the provider, getting married, and having kids.

    So I’m not sure that makes him an “alpha” because he did not want me to leave him (because he didn’t see anything wrong with his behavior and threw around that “I’ll get therapy” crap and everything)

    However I never said women prefer Beta-types. I think most women would ideally like a fine blend of both! I do NOT like overly-sensitive men, but I also don’t like a man who is TOO opinionated and “alpha” because I also have a strong personality and it just leads to a bunch of fighting and drama and I don’t like that either.

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  267. on May 22, 2009 at 9:00 pm novaseeker

    However I never said women prefer Beta-types. I think most women would ideally like a fine blend of both! I do NOT like overly-sensitive men, but I also don’t like a man who is TOO opinionated and “alpha” because I also have a strong personality and it just leads to a bunch of fighting and drama and I don’t like that either.

    LR —

    Then you’re looking for a beta with game — exactly what this whole thing is about. Don’t assume that most of this is about what Roissy writes, he is the blogger here, but the movement is much bigger than Roissy, and he overstates for effect I am certain (and for humor too).

    Most betas with game are exactly what you would want, I think. Which is why men learn game.

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  268. on May 22, 2009 at 9:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””on May 22, 2009 at 8:47 pm Mr.M
    whiskey –

    have to agree 100% with you. just checked out her myspace; oh what do you know, a picture of her ass in underwear. how completely a-typical of a mid 20-something female to do.

    the fuck? why are all women the same?”””””””””””

    yea every chick that comes on here except for marcus aurelios gives their email adress to the whole blog.

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  269. on May 22, 2009 at 9:07 pm Mr.M

    greg –

    its not even just ppl on this blog. how many fukn girls have half naked pictures of themselves on their facebook/myspace? its just so standard. talk about being anything but original.

    as for this blog, same thing. even the most radical feminist/les has a naked pics of herself.

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  270. on May 22, 2009 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Do you mind if i email you tomorrow lady rain i would like to discuss a few things with you

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  271. on May 22, 2009 at 9:10 pm whiskey

    BTW, average salary for CNC programmer/machinist is $45K. Middle class in some areas. Culturally that occupation is “working class.” Salaries and status don’t always correlate. A lower paid teacher would be Middle class, while a plumber making 100K would be “working class.”

    I’ll note that the “nice guy loser beta” who loves her does not excite her and she is unwilling to marry him. Presumably it’s only bad boys that excite her and generate love.

    Again, I cannot thank Lady Rain enough. Seriously. My usual points get made straight from her own words.

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  272. on May 22, 2009 at 9:14 pm Lady Rain

    Well actually I’m not looking for anything at all at the moment. For me personally though? I am a terrible example of being the voice of women because most guys that know me say I’m just like one of their guy friends. I realize this is a technique to get in women’s pants and that’s fine I expect no less from my male friends, lol and they expect me to shut them down in return.

    I can handle being with a guy with serious attitude because it matches my personality better than a sensitive beta would. My sense of humor can be really sarcastic and even mean-spirited and I need someone who KNOWS it’s JUST humor and JUST me. I would feel like I was kicking a puppy in engaging long term with a guy who’s really beta.

    I like having little debates with someone I’m dating and that requires some balls and a quick mind, but I’m not sure that would be described as a “beta-with-game” because wouldn’t a beta with game essentially be a dude that’s somewhere in the middle? There IS such a thing! I’m sure many of you have awesome game, but remember a lot of times women allow you to play YOUR game in order to play THEIR game. Like I already said, everyone is guilty of this regardless of gender.

    Please don’t record me as saying these “types” don’t exist and the “game” doesn’t work. I’m saying that much like anything that gets a “following” there are people who take it to a dramatic extreme and ruin it for everyone. (Like feminism for example). Or like the No-Carb diets even. You cannot get “swept away” by something in life that is essentially temporary physical pleasure. Sex can be a drug and so can mind control and I think Roissy is aware that the people who will follow him the closest are the people who are probably taking it a bit far. This is dangerous is ANY culture or gender.

    It’s sort of like a guy talking about Cocaine and describing it as elaborately and dramatically as possible to get people to try it. Now there will be people who “try it” in moderation and don’t abuse it, but then there are people who will latch onto anything they can to forget their lives. I think that Roissy intentionally trys to draw the more dangerous/mentally unstable types who will take it much further than “the dating game of life”…. essentially he’s playing on the weakness of not just women, but of men who will LITERALLY live by his every word. This means he’s not at all about helping other guys out at all. He’s making men into victims now too. Don’t we have enough of those people?

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  273. on May 22, 2009 at 9:19 pm Lady Rain

    Gunslinger– sure of course! anyone is welcome to message me whenever they’d like.

    Whiskey–
    You seem to think I’m out to prove you a “bad man” and I’m not. As for your salary generalization for CNC it’s about correct depending on what they specifically hire you for (ie: a Machinist hired to just program will make more than the Machinist hired to do set-up even though they are both equal positions that require about the same amount of knowledge) it’s a pretty competitive profession considering that machines aren’t going anywhere and certainly being able to program the computers that will eventually run almost all of them is a huge bonus to know. I genuinely love my job even though there is absolutely NOTHING fancy about it to say the least.

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  274. on May 22, 2009 at 9:20 pm Mr.M

    I think roissy writes a blog that disposes of the programming/brainwashing that most men have grown up with…i wish there was a way to put it succinctly. oh wait:

    where pretty lies perish.

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  275. on May 22, 2009 at 9:22 pm Bhetti

    Insecurity. How lightly to take it. What comes to mind when you see that word: a valleygirl accent ‘Well, I’m like so insecure, you know? And daddy keeps saying…’.

    What does it really encapsulate? The biggest and deepest fears of man and woman both: will the herd reject me? Will my genes survive? Am I weak? Am I not good enough to be selected?

    Am I not good enough?

    How much power do you have when you use observation to note exactly where it lies? How much power do you have when you hone your skills to sense where the deepest weaknesses of the human being in front of you are? You do this by practicing watching, observing, testing. It’s in their speech, their clothes, their job, their body language. Is she beautiful? Is she young? Is she emotional? Is she pragmatic? Is she clever? Is she spoiled?

    Then you drive it home, you sniff out the blood and head unerringly for the wound. The amoral among you will bring her to her knees, the subtle among you will do it without her once aware, the skillful among you will draw it out without having to ask because you’ve already demonstrated just how superior you are, just what you are used to. They won’t know how to counter the attack as you become more skilled and indirect, they won’t know what hit them. She will hate herself, she won’t know why, and you will have victory.

    I don’t deserve you.Just like when a beta is completely destroyed and thinks he is worth nothing.

    If you have mercy, if you want more than a bit of nothing, if you want a functioning, happy human being then perhaps you will be good enough to soothe the wounds. I still have feelings for you anyway, for now.You’re so special in other ways. You’ll need me to become more but don’t worry too much, I’m here for you as long as you please me.

    ‘OMG, cankles’ just doesn’t capture it.(I won’t talk about the male common insecure equivalents to roissy’s casual clinical dismissive dissection of the female mind, that’s too cruel. I’m reminded of nonchalantly throwing a human heart into the bin after noting its ins and outs. I think I’ve stopped doing that to the male of the species, thank God.)

    By God, it is heartless war. ‘Useless pangs of guilt’ indeed. Go on, rationalise how you proceed on destruction…

    Still: dish it out, she can take it. You’re the one who can’t afford to.

    Doug:
    You, sir, are addicted to drama.

    [Herein lies a deleted paragraph or perhaps a line or two of jealous drama over discovering him inviting the attentions of kim. Can’t I hold his interest with my incoherence? Am I not good enough?]

    The Islamic/Arabic name for a man is God of the house. Any equivalents in Western culture?

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  276. on May 22, 2009 at 9:28 pm novaseeker

    I’m not sure that would be described as a “beta-with-game” because wouldn’t a beta with game essentially be a dude that’s somewhere in the middle?

    LR —

    A good insight, but it’s more that the beta with game is a synthetic alpha –> that is some guys are alpha naturals and others learn how o project alpha despite the fact that they are not alpha naturals. The latter are users of game.

    Alpha in this context has nothing to do with hard work, professionalism, or even money. Alpha in this context has strictly to do with the ability to pull, or attract, women whom one wants to attract. So a “beta with game” is someone who is not necessarily an asshole, but who has perfected a technique to push women’s buttons to make them attracted to him .. just as a woman might cultivate her physique and clothing to attract. It’s the male version of self-improvement.

    Roissy takes it to an extreme, I agree .. but most of the denizens here realize that, too. I think he does more good than harm .. yet I have also seen the bad it can do. On balance, men need some way to adjust to the wide-open sexual marketplace there is now. “Being yourself” for men leaves most men without sex or mates, in reality. Many women do not like the “being yourself” that most men are without game. So at bottom it’s self-help for men .. even if, like all self-help, it can be taken to an extreme.

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  277. on May 22, 2009 at 9:39 pm joel

    Visit M’Lady’s web page.

    With that kind of atmosphere, I am sure her little boy will grow up to be a great guy.

    Good to know that anything on the internet is always available somewhere. For example, a jilted lover could just suck up her website onto his hard drive and show it to her son when he is 13 so he knows better why his mother deserted his father. Maybe, just maybe, he dumped her for being a slut. Roissy did say to gather blackmail material on your lovers.

    Roissy is just so right about women, it is scary. It may be that women with low sex drives are happy with beta men, but, the rest?

    Some “nice” guy thought he wanted to marry her? Geez. No wonder she dumped him. A true beta. She should tell him to read this blog. He will be so grateful she dumped him.

    Now, back to the thread.

    Beautiful, Roissy. Hitting on a girl’s insecurities is just so obvious, why didn’t I think of it? I usually tease girls, but, now I have a much better sense of what teasing can do. Have you a longer list of useful insecurities?

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  278. on May 22, 2009 at 9:43 pm Joe

    I gave you a hard time before ladyrain, but compared to the rest of those yahoos at cracked you almost seem reasonable and sane.

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  279. on May 22, 2009 at 9:56 pm Tood

    This just shows how powerful a few innocent negs can be.

    Don’t over-neg, though. Keep them subtle and infrequent.

    With Game, I find negs to be a relatively easy part, as is seduction.

    I find approaches to be the hard part, as well as keeping the motivation up after a flake.

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  280. on May 22, 2009 at 10:00 pm 11minutes

    Lady Rain,

    women don’t want a mix of Lover and Provider, because they have mutually exclusive traits. You cannot have the cake and eat it all.

    Romance novels end where the alpha becomes a beta (marriage). Take away an independent man’s freedom and you end up with someone who is not “what he used to be”. Add the decreasing level of ocytocin after about 5-7 years of a relationship (plagues men adn women), and you have an explosive mix.

    Most women deal with that dilemma by marrying a beta and fucking alphas on the side.

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  281. on May 22, 2009 at 10:17 pm Aengima

    Best Video I’ve ever seen on Alpha game vs beta game.

    Kramer as the dominant alpha male who takes down his hoe’s value while building up his own.

    Kramer being the supplicating beta male who begs for the woman’s attention who he think’s he is unworthy of.

    Keep this video in mind next time you think of acting beta. The exaggeration is for comedy, but the fact is that women see and know alpha vs beta when they see it.

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  282. on May 22, 2009 at 10:21 pm Rum

    The ovarian hormonal cycle is God, in terms of game. At ovulation( AKA moneyshot sex) , she wants a thug/brute/domestic violenced-type man. Most of the rest of the cycle – ie dry, no sex – she wants a herbacious nest-building beta-drone. To help her build her nest and go then sleep on the coach. She will want him on the coach because he does not “respect her feelings”. Besides, her pussy is still sore from fucking Luigi in the mens room of a shanky bar while she was leaning over a sink grasping the handles & trying to remember Luigis name.

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  283. on May 22, 2009 at 10:33 pm novaseeker

    She will want him on the coach because he does not “respect her feelings”. Besides, her pussy is still sore from fucking Luigi in the mens room of a shanky bar while she was leaning over a sink grasping the handles & trying to remember Luigis name.

    Rum —

    Actually more often they will come back from shagging Luigi, have a bath, and then fuck the husband as “cover sex”. Robin Baker goes into this. Women are programmed strongly to fuck their partners at the same time (same or next day) as they have cheated on them, to “cover” the cheating, in terms of timing a pregnancy. With DNA tests that is going to become less viable, but paternity tests are still pretty rare.

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  284. on May 22, 2009 at 10:36 pm gig

    how did you find Lady Rain´s page?

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  285. on May 22, 2009 at 10:38 pm novaseeker

    It’s up there, she posted it.

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  286. on May 22, 2009 at 10:38 pm Aengima

    This is also to test who has the most competitive sperm Nova. She pus her two potential mates sperm in direct competition to see if one has a genetic advantage in sperm warfare over the other.

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  287. on May 22, 2009 at 10:53 pm gig

    Lady Rain is 28 my ass. She looks as old as 38. Lady is 33, my guess.

    ” look at that vertical smile”

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  288. on May 22, 2009 at 10:55 pm gig

    multicultura question

    for americans only. how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

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  289. on May 22, 2009 at 11:08 pm Absinthe

    Thanks Oscar for posting the cracked forum link. Roissy can definitely stir people up. The roissy haters are entertainingly hypocritical. I was particularly amused by the gay poster offering to beat up roissy because he found roissy’s lifestyle morally repugnant. A female poster wanted to glass roissy if he ever spoke to her at a bar. I wonder what their views on gay bashing and violence against women are.

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  290. on May 22, 2009 at 11:20 pm wow

    Lady Rain

    I call bullshit here. You expect anyone to believe your rant here?

    You’ve stated your ex was in good shape, a hard worker, healthy, wanted to get married, have children…blah blah.

    Upon the birth of your son, within a short period you dump him…he willingly leaves with nary a fight for custody of any kind…and wants NOTHING to do with his son? You’re out of your fucking mind….there is a lot you’ve left out here.

    You repeatedly called him abusive, which may be fact, maybe physically and/or emotionally…but for him to WALK at your request and be SO GONE that YOU don’t even know where he is (or care) is totally unbelievable.

    For a man, who wanted what you’ve written above, despite alcohol issues, to disappear and have nothing to do with his son leaves me to believe living and being with you was unbearable.

    He quit you, simple, but it killed him to lose his family (son). The man you describe would not simply give up on his son and be MIA unless his situation was absolutely toxic. What did you do? What would he say? Really!

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  291. on May 22, 2009 at 11:23 pm PA

    how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

    David Alexander: “no nails and heels, but looks slutty enough”

    Peter/Ironrails: “that depends. Does she have a GNP?”

    Tokyo: “She responds to Game therefore she is a low quality woman.”

    Agnostic: “not a teen, no bubble butt, she’s no Alizee.”

    Roissy: “I’d do her in the ass if she lets me videotape it.”

    Welmer: “Fucking whore.”

    Obsidian: “I’m not averse to the charms of my White Sisters. Holla back”

    Gunslinger: “not really my type but lol she can join my harem in indo my empire starts there”

    Tupac Chopra: “Clioooooooooooooooooo!!”

    The G Manifesto: “I’d swoop her. But first, my two Latinas. On the Embraer Lineage to Caracas.”

    Sara: “hmmmmm…”

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  292. on May 23, 2009 at 12:09 am Days of Broken Arrows

    How did I not make it onto that list? Oh well, maybe that’s a good thing.

    Has anyone here read Donald Trump’s “The Art of the Deal?” It seems he applied some of the theories we talk about her to business instead of women. I remember a part where he neg hit a client, telling him he had bad breath, in order to make the guy insecure so he would be bargaining from a worse vantage point.

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  293. on May 23, 2009 at 12:16 am doublewow

    Funniest/Saddest thing I learned from Lady Rain/Miss Wendy’s MySpace page:

    Someone actually named their son “Ransom” in the 21st Century.

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  294. on May 23, 2009 at 12:39 am GVChamp

    Wow, reading that thread from the forum where Rain came from.

    Those people are just complete fucktards.

    They call someone who wants to participate in an open and honest debate a “troll.”

    What the hell?

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  295. on May 23, 2009 at 12:43 am GVChamp

    I should add that this blog and most communities share similar tendencies (IE, SHUN THE UNBELIEVER!) but to see the same attitude coming out of moderators is laughable.

    One of their moderators openly insulted the guy attempting to defend game.

    I don’t know whether to be angry as a former moderator of a now-closed debate forum or amused.

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  296. on May 23, 2009 at 1:01 am Babaero Serrada

    Lady rain,
    “I consider that particular blogger to be just as ridiculous as Roissy is”

    –> how is roissy “ridiculous”?

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  297. on May 23, 2009 at 1:12 am Days of Broken Arrows

    The reason the guys in that forum are insulting Roissy and game is because they think trying to be “sensitive” and “englightened” will earn them the attention of the few women on those boards. Meanwhile, we all know who those women are f***king don’t we?

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  298. on May 23, 2009 at 1:26 am GVChamp

    I think it’s because many of the moderators are just juvenile and dogmatic:

    http://www.cracked.com/forums/index.php?topic=47618.msg1157968#msg1157968
    here is one that is completely missing the damn point an article and then mildly chastises a noted economist.

    Hell, an ADMIN then referred to it as “Flamebait”!

    It’s a collection of…very interesting characters

    You can see the nanny-government mindset:
    “Human history is that same story, told over and over… until a strong central authority comes along with the power to oversee the hunting, mining, harvesting, fishing etc and enforced regulation to make sure future generations would be able to do the same. ”

    Maybe they’re all secretly feminine men and thus react the same way as women? 😛

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  299. on May 23, 2009 at 1:28 am whiskey

    Lady Rain thanks again for posting here.

    I don’t think you are out to prove me a bad man, rather that your own expressed preferences and history make my points which are this:

    1. The nuclear family is dead.
    2. For a man, being “nice” is one-way ticket to loserdom with the ladies, being an A-hole is the way to go.
    3. Women are not interested in long-term relationships, so for men, the way to go is to not just be an A-hole, but spread your seed. That’s the only way a guy can have kids.
    4. Even a middle class salary if there is no future expectation of greater wealth will cause women to have kids with A-holes, so increased income for women regardless of source = women’s expressed and innate preference for bad boys.

    As for Roissy and his site, people post here for a variety of reasons. One, to learn how to be an A-hole successfully and get women. Since women by your own admission prefer A holes.

    Second, to discuss the larger social implications of the death of the nuclear family and women’s innate preference, now expressed for A-holes.

    Often the two over-lap or intersect.

    Again, I thank you for posting here and being honest. Your postings are the best support for the points 1-4 above I’ve made here frequently.
    ————
    OT, or maybe not,

    “For instance, Sara McLanahan at Princeton University and her colleagues have found that boys who are raised by single mothers are twice as likely to end up in prison by age 32, that girls who are born outside of marriage are three times as likely to have a teenage pregnancy, and that teens born outside of marriage are about twice as likely to drop out of high school, compared with their peers who are raised in intact, married families.
    …
    One study by Pamela Smock at the University of Michigan and Wendy Manning at Bowling Green State University found that 50% of children born to cohabiting parents saw their parents part by age 5, compared with only 15% of children born to married parents.

    And as both parents and scholars know, such instability is hard on young children. Not surprisingly, a growing body of research on cohabitation and child well-being indicates that kids who spend time in cohabiting unions are significantly more likely to experience emotional problems, school failure and physical and sexual abuse than children in intact, married homes — in part because they are much more likely to be exposed to a revolving series of romantic partners, usually unrelated adult males, who do not have their best interests at heart.”
    ——
    Today’s Wall Street Journal article, “the Real Pregnancy Crisis” about the large increase in women in their twenties having kids by themselves. Somewhat disturbing, 7% of college educated women have illegitimate kids, an increase and ominous one from about 3% 15 years earlier.

    No group has ever recorded a decrease in illegitimacy outside White teens. None. And even that gain seems temporary.

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  300. on May 23, 2009 at 1:32 am GVChamp

    And don’t dare question Global Warming! We’ll have none of that on this forum!!!!!

    I can’t stop ROFLMAO

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  301. on May 23, 2009 at 1:34 am David Alexander

    David Alexander: “no nails and heels, but looks slutty enough”

    A bit “masculine” looking, but because she’s white, the effect isn’t as bad. So admittedly, she is barely doable, and with nails, somewhat doable if I’m willing to overlook the B cups. Of course, in real life sans make up can destroy an erection within fifteen nanoseconds.

    Most women deal with that dilemma by marrying a beta and fucking alphas on the side.

    Most men should deal with that by not marrying at all.

    I’ll note that the “nice guy loser beta” who loves her does not excite her and she is unwilling to marry him.

    The problem is that if she marries that nice guy/loser beta, she’s going to nag him to death, and instead of one miserable single person, we’ll have two miserable married people who drive each other crazy and who only stick around with the kids. I understand that single motherhood isn’t ideal, but why should she drag a man she doesn’t like in a relationship and ruin his life?

    At times, I almost wonder if Whiskey isn’t just a tool to suppress beta males and make them miserable.

    live like a sexless monk, alone and unhappy, for men

    Hmm, married giving 90% of net pay to wife and kids or single spending 75% of my net pay on me. Gee, I’d trade sex if it meant that I could live a comfortable lifestyle with little stress.

    Women hate making decisions. They want decisions to be made for them.

    That’s why women “suck”. That’s the one shitty feature about female friends. They expect me to make a decision even though they have more information about the choice.

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  302. on May 23, 2009 at 1:41 am Obsidian

    Whiskey,
    As per usual, good money. I’m wondering if you’re familiar w/Lionel Tiger’s work, and if so, your thoughts on it? I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but he debated Barbara Ehrenreich some years back, and wondered what you thought of said debate.

    O

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  303. on May 23, 2009 at 2:15 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Whiskey quoted:

    “For instance, Sara McLanahan at Princeton University and her colleagues have found that boys who are raised by single mothers are twice as likely to end up in prison by age 32, that girls who are born outside of marriage are three times as likely to have a teenage pregnancy, and that teens born outside of marriage are about twice as likely to drop out of high school…”

    Yeah, but if you come from a lower class culture where women VALUE men who have been in prison and PREFRR men who have dropped out of high school, these stats don’t mean anything!! This is the problem.

    Out of wedlock births have created a huge underclass with people whose values couldn’t be more different than the traditional American model of success we grew up with. This is the real unspoken reason the Bad Boy has replaced the College Graduate as the ideal man, and this is what we’re struggling with in both the black and white communities.

    And although all women will SAY they prefer the college guys, remember Roosh’s edict not to listen to what women say, but watch what women do.

    A good view of the underclass’ values and ideals can be seen on MySpace, where upper class people tend to go for Facebook. MySpace is rife with people showing off tattoos, single moms pimping out their oddly named kids, and older women who just think bikers and thugs are da bomb!

    Europe is looking better and better every day.

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  304. on May 23, 2009 at 2:25 am Tood

    As far as ‘propagating one’s genes into the future’, how valuable is that, really? At least, relative to having kids that you have a relationship with.

    I have more biological kids than anyone here. Yet, I don’t know any of them, and may only meet some of them well after they turn 18.

    I have been procrastinating on going to the second sperm bank in Oakland, but if I do it, that will be another round of up to ten.

    But they aren’t really *mine*. Even if they have my genes. So that doesn’t really count.

    The exact reverse situation – adopting a child that is not of your genes – on the other hand, *does* count, as that is a child you have a relationship with. It is your child.

    If you can only have one of the two – genetic propagation or a parent-child relationship through adoption, clearly the latter is preferable if you have to choose. So why so much importance to gene propagation?

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  305. on May 23, 2009 at 2:36 am Tood

    DT wrote :

    Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick…

    To that, I’ll add that once the clock strikes 35, there will be a cacophonous :

    Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

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  306. on May 23, 2009 at 2:39 am Tupac Chopra

    DA:

    Women hate making decisions. They want decisions to be made for them.

    That’s why women “suck”. That’s the one shitty feature about female friends.

    And that…is why you fail.

    Wanting to be led by someone else, prefering to have his decisions made for him = baby boy who never learned to be his own man, still looking for mommy’s apron strings

    Relishing the opportunity to mold someone else like putty in your hands = alpha

    I sincerely think that Game is the last thing DA needs. It would fail miserably at patching the holes in his failure to grow up. What he needs more than anything is a “life coach” to do the job his daddy never did.

    I nominate Obsidian to adopt DA and do the job right this time around.

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  307. on May 23, 2009 at 2:40 am Babaero Serrada

    Tood, “If you can only have one of the two – genetic propagation or a parent-child relationship through adoption, clearly the latter is preferable if you have to choose.”

    –> “clearly”?

    really, tood? “clearly”?

    if there’s any issue that’s not “clear”, this is probably it.
    unless you think that the nature/nurture debate has been soundly resolved in favor of nurture.
    which it hasn’t.
    there are good arguments on both sides.

    look dude, i’m a family man, so in principal i would like to agree with you, but, tell it to genghis khan.

    but, lets not forget, you’re the guy who interpreted my comment of “people aren’t on the internets 24/7” as a defense of your opponent’s position, so you probably aren’t the best guy to argue with.

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  308. on May 23, 2009 at 2:44 am Tupac Chopra

    how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

    A former 8 who rapidly declined to 7.9, 7.8, 7.7, 7.6, 7.5, 7.4, 7.3, 7.2…and falling…

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  309. on May 23, 2009 at 2:47 am Babaero Serrada

    Tupac “What he needs more than anything is a “life coach” to do the job his daddy never did.”

    tupac, the problem is that men are too obstinate to enlist “life coaches” until they’ve been -on their own- and have -completely failed-, and even then, most won’t.

    for D.a. this will take much, much longer. He won’t even listen to reason here, for free, even though he’s -here every single day-. he can’t even talk to a real woman, what makes you think he’ll seek out and -pay for- a “life coach”.

    —

    fact i’ve noticed:

    a lot of PUA-types have morfed into what are essentially “life coaches”. like some of the oldskool RSD-guys, who seem to be nowadays more into mountain climbs than mountin’ dimes.

    this probably isn’t a bad thing, because
    a, a lot of guys need to get their shit together, AND
    b, NO ONE would listen to these guys if they weren’t proven to get laid from their techniques.

    nothing focuses the attention of young guys, like getting laid.

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  310. on May 23, 2009 at 2:48 am Babaero Serrada

    tupac, “A former 8 who rapidly declined to 7.9, 7.8, 7.7, 7.6, 7.5, 7.4, 7.3, 7.2…and falling…”

    –> that’s awesome. you’ve got me thinking of the ‘roll back’ signs in the old walmart adds, with all the numbers falling off one digit at a time.

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  311. on May 23, 2009 at 2:54 am Tood

    Barbara,

    Clearly, your reading comprehension is minimal.

    The distinction is between sperm donation (which is anonymous until the child is 18), vs. adoption. The two are exactly the opposite of each other.

    Clearly, adoption fulfills the human need to a greater degree than anonymous gene propagation.

    Sorry, Babs. Try again.

    I nominate Obsidian to adopt DA and do the job right this time around.

    Noooooooooo! That would be wasting Obsidian by removing him from those who actually want his advice/thoughts. DA is an unworthy recipient.

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  312. on May 23, 2009 at 3:05 am Babaero Serrada

    Tood, “Clearly, adoption fulfills the human need to a greater degree than anonymous gene propagation.”

    –> you’re take this as “clear” cements your beta status. An alpha would not take this as established fact.
    for a true alpha, the only human need is to plant his seed in as many uteruses as possible. whoa! that’s the opposite of what you’re saying.
    tell me, what makes an alpha an alpha, in tood world?

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  313. on May 23, 2009 at 3:41 am Tood

    Barbara,

    Being a good father to an adopted child is Beta????

    Do you even know what alpha and Beta means? You are a Beta, much like Carl Sagan showed that 2-dimensional creatures could not comprehend the 3rd dimension.

    Plus, your reading comprehension is still illiterate. I have clearly stated that the comparison is between adoption and sperm donation. We are not talking about traditional, natural child rearing here.

    Now read this slowly, twice, and out loud if necessary, so that you grasp what is said.

    the only human need is to plant his seed in as many uteruses as possible.

    Wait, so sleeping with a 9 instead of a 1 is not a human need? Normal men would rather have one 9 than 20 1s. You do know what a 9 is, don’t you?

    You are a weird one, Babs.

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  314. on May 23, 2009 at 4:03 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Tood:

    Being a good father to an adopted child is Beta????

    In cold, hard, evolutionary currency?
    Yes.
    From the standpoint of DNA, genes, and evolution, the difference between an adoptive dad and a cuckold is precisely 0.

    And, I say this as a staunch advocate of, and believer in, both adoption and fatherhood.

    The problem between you and Babaero, of course, is that you two don’t agree on your definitions of alpha and beta. Your definition is primarily sociocultural. His is primarily genetic/evolutionary. There’s no sense in your shouting at each other from different planes.

    Incidentally, the traditional origins of the terms “alpha” and “beta” are ENTIRELY genetic/evolutionary, based on the behavior of feral animals. Thus, if one of you two has the more difficult row to hoe, that would be you.

    Serrada’s question is a good one: WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF AN ALPHA?
    He’s given his; it appears that you don’t want to give yours, so that you can continue to modify it as necessary to “win” your “argument”.

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  315. on May 23, 2009 at 4:29 am Tood

    87,

    Nonsense. By your genetic/evolutionary basis, a sperm donor who contributes to 10 conceptions is among the highest alphas, even if he doesn’t seduce any women.

    I don’t buy that. Being alpha has to do with seduction of a high quality + quantity of women. Seducing a 10 is far better than sleeping with 20 1s (which is worse than celibacy).

    Anyone who says voluntary adoption is as bad as cuckolding is insane. The emotional/voluntary aspect has to come into play, making the two totally different.

    Alpha men such as Ronald Reagan and John McCain have adopted children, in addition to their biological children. They did not become ‘cuckolds’ in the process.

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  316. on May 23, 2009 at 4:51 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Tood

    Being alpha has to do with seduction of a high quality + quantity of women. Seducing a 10 is far better than sleeping with 20 1s (which is worse than celibacy).

    I smell ya here.

    Like Roissy, though, I think the ability and present potential for such seduction is what’s important.

    Whether those are actualized is another matter.

    I.E., if an alpha decides to commit himself to one woman, this does not make him less of an alpha.

    —

    You still haven’t laid out your complete definition of an alpha.

    Based on your previous posts, you also think that active fatherhood is part of the canon of Alpha, as evidenced by your implication that a strong adoptive father (to whom seduction is irrelevant) possesses alpha traits.

    That’s actually my take. An active father passes on memes (“nurture” evolution), in a sense analogous to that in which a successful seducer/impregnator passes on genes (“nature” evolution). Both are alpha traits.

    What’s your complete definition?

    —

    sleeping with 20 1s (which is worse than celibacy).

    Large swathes of the male population, mostly underclass, would disagree with this judgment.

    Someone is fucking most of those 1’s and 2’s. In many cases, lots of someones.

    Not my preference, either, but it’s pretty jejune of you to extrapolate your opinions to all men.

    —

    Anyone who says voluntary adoption is as bad as cuckolding is insane.

    Nobody said that, Tood. In fact, nobody on this thread has said at all that adoption is “bad”.

    You’re arguing like a woman, having random tantrums while completely ignoring my words and my point. Did you not notice my description of myself as “a staunch advocate of, and believer in, adoption”?

    Get a grip. Stop arguing emotionally, and read the words that actually appear in my post.

    What I stated is that, in terms of genes, adoptive and cuckolded dads are equivalent. Both men are raising a kid with zero percent of their genetic material.
    The differences, while massive, are purely cultural.
    This is a FACT.

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  317. on May 23, 2009 at 4:57 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Also, Tood, another thing in which I’m interested:

    You’ve stated multiple times that you donate to sperm banks.

    As you’re probably well aware, the vast majority of sperm banks’ clientele is composed of “single mothers by choice”, lesbians, etc.

    How do you, a man who ostensibly appreciates the importance of fathers, square that belief with your enabling the creation of fatherless families?

    I have the perfect profile for a sperm donor, too, but I simply don’t want to make babies that will be raised outside of nuclear-family homes with married parents.

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  318. on May 23, 2009 at 5:12 am Welmer

    PA

    how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

    David Alexander: “no nails and heels, but looks slutty enough”

    Peter/Ironrails: “that depends. Does she have a GNP?”

    Tokyo: “She responds to Game therefore she is a low quality woman.”

    Agnostic: “not a teen, no bubble butt, she’s no Alizee.”

    Roissy: “I’d do her in the ass if she lets me videotape it.”

    Welmer: “Fucking whore.”

    Obsidian: “I’m not averse to the charms of my White Sisters. Holla back”

    Gunslinger: “not really my type but lol she can join my harem in indo my empire starts there”

    Tupac Chopra: “Clioooooooooooooooooo!!”

    The G Manifesto: “I’d swoop her. But first, my two Latinas. On the Embraer Lineage to Caracas.”

    Sara: “hmmmmm…”

    LOL

    Too true.

    However, I’d even go so far as to say she gives whores a bad name. I’ve known a few whores in my day. They were all over the place in China — some of the Russian ones were incredibly good looking and I almost regret not taking them up on their offers of freebies, but somehow I thought I was “above” prostitutes because I could get it for free from common tramps. I’d say the whores had more integrity than Lady Rain. Hell, at least they were honest about what they were doing.

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  319. on May 23, 2009 at 5:17 am Welmer

    Epoxytocin No. 87

    I have the perfect profile for a sperm donor, too, but I simply don’t want to make babies that will be raised outside of nuclear-family homes with married parents.

    Evidently, I have the profile of sperm donor, too, but I didn’t know that’s all I signed up for when I put on a ring,
    and I get to pay for the privilege.

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  320. on May 23, 2009 at 5:21 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    This is a response to Roissy’s original post, about a thousand comments later.

    Roissy

    A typical 35 year old man has better prospects than a typical 35 year old woman. He won’t need to settle as far down the mate ladder as she will.

    What is even worse about this situation, and is left unaddressed, is that both men AND women will have to “settle farther down the mate ladder”.

    Women will have to settle farther down, for the reasons that you have mentioned.

    Men too, though, will have to settle farther down. In the extreme scenario in which most or all women party away their twenties, men will be “settling” too
    I.E., when men decide to settle, they’ll have to do so with a woman whose youth has already passed its full blossom and started to wither, and who has fucked so many men that their bonding systems are about as functional as a bumper sticker that’s been on and off twenty different cars.

    Therefore, in terms of forming permanent relationships, men and women are equally fucked over by the Sex and the City mentality of women in their twenties.

    The difference is in the lifestyles of the men and women who will, inevitably, choose NOT to settle.
    On that one, we win, hands down.

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  321. on May 23, 2009 at 6:31 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””87,
    The difference is in the lifestyles of the men and women who will, inevitably, choose NOT to settle.
    On that one, we win, hands down.”””””””””

    started to wonder where the crying rant was going and was thinking jesus pusboy man up. Then I read the last yea makes sence. Don’t be an idiot that only makes excuses come up with solutions for what the fuck you want out of life and grab that shit.

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  322. on May 23, 2009 at 7:30 am Gunslingergregi

    Find yourself going beta just pull up the scene in menace

    Tell yourself “you actin jut lik a liddle beeeaatcch right now”

    game from hood

    Guy Come here

    Chick comes over

    Game over

    Guy come here

    Chick doesn’t come over

    Guy what you don’t date bruthas

    Chick well uh i uh uh

    Guy come here

    Chick comes over

    Game over

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  323. on May 23, 2009 at 7:39 am Gunslingergregi

    Or you can roll with

    You my woman now.

    Chick huh I wasn’t looking for a man

    You yea you my woman come over my place you should be in my bed.

    Chick
    “follows you like puppy gets into your bed”

    This is for american chicks. They require some game lol

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  324. on May 23, 2009 at 7:48 am gig

    that cracked blog proves two things:

    – game works, because for every G there 50 Tokyos and 50 DAs

    – the west is fucked. there are so many freaks out there, that they have musted the numbers to have foruns where they debate each other. it is not only low IQ people, but masses of medium to high IQ people who have plainly rejected reality.

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  325. on May 23, 2009 at 8:03 am Gunslingergregi

    Best game is when you don’t even have to talk a chick into it. You got other chicks gaming for you.

    4 years ago when I went home. We had a cookout. Played some uno I turned that shit more exciting than playing the world championship of poker. After my dad was like dang I didn’t know you had it like that to be the life of the party. He didn’t realize to call it great game lol Anyway I go outside and chick is waiting on me to go home. But yea no game. Then I got neighbor calling in chicks from 3 hours away to get a chance at me. The girls wanted to take me away from my indo chick they just didn’t have what it took.

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  326. on May 23, 2009 at 8:42 am Default User

    doug1

    Thumbs up.

    Yeah back at ya.
    [+ not perfect for sure]

    Have a great weekend.

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  327. on May 23, 2009 at 8:55 am doug1

    PA

    Having a newborn boy

    Congratulations bro.!!!!

    Just fabulous.

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  328. on May 23, 2009 at 9:15 am Gunslingergregi

    Checked the cracked blog I think I will show up at the dudes house who said he was gonna beat up roissy just to say hello. Hate the way there comments are on different pages that blows.

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  329. on May 23, 2009 at 9:25 am Default DJ

    This sounds like the musical version of the G-Man

    I have a mansion, forget the price
    Ain’t never been there, they tell me it’s nice
    I live in hotels, tear out the walls
    I have accountants pay for it all
    …
    My Maserati does one-eighty-five
    I lost my license, now I don’t drive
    …
    I go to parties, sometimes until four
    It’s hard to leave when you can’t find the door
    [lyrics]

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  330. on May 23, 2009 at 9:26 am Arpagus

    Quoth Roissy:

    some women are so ugly, fat, and/or old that they can’t get laid by any man. not even the bottom of the barrel piss-stained homeless bums, quasimodos and hermaphrodites will have them.

    This does not fit my experience. I flatly don’t believe these women exist. I am certainly desperate enough now, and have been for most of my life, to sleep with any woman whatsoever. If there are even a small minority of men like me, any woman can get laid no matter how ugly.

    Lady Rain is right on this. If any woman wants sex she can simply have it if she lowers her standards and this admits of no exceptions. The only way for a woman to be so ugly that no man will fuck her is to look like a man, and even then fags would be a dime a dozen. The price of eggs is so extremely high relative to sperm that a woman is worth inestimably more than any man even after she runs out of eggs.

    But then Lady Rain goes on to basically say that men should ignore their best interests (or let her dictate what a man’s best interests are and what constitutes success with women); that it is not worth it to be an asshole to get pussy even if it works. That is what is so offensive about her. Makes me think how dare you tell me what is best for me!? She is a sex object and men are worthless and unlike feminists she understands this is human nature — in fact she understands the worthlessness of male sexuality better than a famed pickup artist — and yet in her opinion men should not use what little tactics known that may work.

    I also personally disagree with the person who said sleeping with 1s which is worse than celibacy. No woman is worse than long-term celibacy. The problem is that these supposedly unattractive and hence easy women don’t exist or aren’t easy. Sure there are plenty of old women who are barely desirable, but they don’t seem to have much of a sex drive anyway, so it doesn’t matter and that is one more reason “you can’t get laid” insults indeed only work on men and work well because they are so true.

    Reading some of the comments here, and especially on that Cracked forum she came from, one gets the impression that any man can walk into a bar and easily pick up a drunk woman with low self esteem. But the whole idea that women with low self esteem or other mental problems are easy falls apart when you consider the competition. There is simply no place to meet these mythical easy women without overwhelming competition that makes the whole endeavor as fruitless as trying to pick up a virgin. So I guess Lady Rain does not understand the worthlessness of male sexuality after all. Yes, it is THAT hard to get laid, and especially where I am from, that all this game is necessary and for some men like me it is not even enough.

    The RSD instructor cited by Thursday who said it’s harder to pull Swedish girls than girls anywhere in North America is probably correct. While my experience is Norway not Sweden, it is probably similar and in the last five years I have got laid twice here while the previous five as a student in the US I had sex with 20 women (not counting hookers) and that was without even knowing about game.

    Such is life for men in this sexual utopia for women and as Novaseeker and Whiskey point out those of us who are not getting any pussy are not going to invest in this society.

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  331. on May 23, 2009 at 9:30 am silver

    Lady Rain,

    It’s really quite obvious that you’re being supported by some beta chump who you’re stringing along while you… just kidding.

    For a chick with shorter than shoulder length hair you actually look pretty good. Got a bit of fight in you, too, which isn’t exactly womanly but can be sexy.

    Guys, you have to admit this chick’s held up pretty well against your barrage of alpha-loaded abuse. Like most woman, the mirror’s the last place she’ll look when it comes to why her relationship failed (she was an angel, he was a complete asshole… right). But overall she hasn’t merited the abuse being dished out.

    Whiskey, I hope for your sake the statistical shotgun blasts you’ve pumped into Ms. Rain aren’t indicative of your general approach to women “in the field.” (So you see, babe, that’s why there’s x% of y and z occurring if you p and q and only r% if you a before you b.) Then again, for the sake of future society, I hope they are.

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  332. on May 23, 2009 at 9:33 am doug1

    Since PA’s funny as hell send up, I think I need a link to “Lady Rain’s” site. She’s delinked her name here. Anyone still have it?

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  333. on May 23, 2009 at 9:46 am Arpagus

    http://www.myspace.com/elemental_goddess

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  334. on May 23, 2009 at 9:47 am Gunslingergregi

    People on cracked where like how would you game lady rain

    After having a piece of a thread where I was cyberfucking some other chic and she obviously read. Here is how.

    “””””””””on May 22, 2009 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi
    Do you mind if i email you tomorrow lady rain i would like to discuss a few things with you””””””””””

    “”””””””””””””””Lady Rain
    Gunslinger– sure of course! anyone is welcome to message me whenever they’d like.
    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Irony is a muddafucca

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  335. on May 23, 2009 at 9:48 am PA

    Thanks Doug and Gunner on the congrats!

    BTW, I have a more true-to-character send up for two of the characters that what I originally wrote:

    Peter/Iron: “Sadly, she is sure the type to have the pedophilic bald eagle :(((((( ”

    Agnostic: “Ha! a withering hag. She’s no Alizee.”

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  336. on May 23, 2009 at 9:50 am Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””aspagus,
    Lady Rain is right on this. If any woman wants sex she can simply have it if she lowers her standards and this admits of no exceptions. The only way for a woman to be so ugly that no man will fuck her is to look like a man, and even then fags would be a dime a dozen. The price of eggs is so extremely high relative to sperm that a woman is worth inestimably more than any man even after she runs out of eggs.””””””””””””””””””””

    Dick is pricless yo. Just like people think g man was bragging too much at 2 pickups a week. Shit 2 pickups a day ain’t no big fucking deal. Bitches a dime a dozen.

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  337. on May 23, 2009 at 9:57 am doug1

    Bhetti –

    Are you taking me up then, my green eyed little minx, in a contest of deletion? You’re so hot when you’re stomping your little feet in fury – and worry. (Or even when you’re pretending to, to feed me what I seek, my drama, my pleasing girl.)

    You have your weapons though, many of them. Your powers, tempress. You know I’m not so heartless when it comes to you. Destruction I may risk; but high functioning and happy, so long as addicted, is what I seek.

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  338. on May 23, 2009 at 9:58 am Gunslingergregi

    Make an awesome movie that is your life. Woman will love being in that movie.

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  339. on May 23, 2009 at 10:03 am Default User

    aoefe

    You men are so happy with even a sniff of pussy on this blog you will waste your intelligence responding to L.R’s diatribe. Beta behaviour? Just askin…

    I am responding to you so who knows.

    Anyway, Aoefe, are you an Irish lassie. Just askin…

    Remember When Irish Eyes are Smiling sure steals your heart (maybe your wallet too) away.

    (Aoefe = EeeFah and I’m a chick masquerading as a chick)

    Pretty good, you almost had me fooled.

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  340. on May 23, 2009 at 10:06 am Default DJ

    From Irish Eyes to Le Punk Rock.

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  341. on May 23, 2009 at 10:13 am Default User

    Lady Rain

    I see that you describe your orientation as “Bi.” Maybe you and FeministX should get together.

    You and Femi seem to have similar posting styles and tastes. Indeed I have yet to see Femi and Rain on the same thread. Hmmmm.

    Anyway you can find feministxy at:
    http://feministx.blogspot.com/

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  342. on May 23, 2009 at 10:26 am PA

    As I’ve alluded to here in the past, I am a big fan of Korea; both the beautiful country and the cool people. So it’s no surprise to find out that even their corrupt politicians have honor:

    From the AP news clip via Yahoo:
    Former South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun — whose hard-won reputation as a corruption fighter was tarnished by bribery allegations that drew in his family and closest associates — jumped to his death Saturday while hiking in the mountains behind his rural home. He was 62.

    If you ever saw Sout Korea’s jagged razor-sharp mountains and teh flowered valleys, you’d know that the man went out in style.

    Even his suicide note is manly:

    “I’m indebted to too many people. Too many people are suffering because of me,” Roh wrote in the note left on his computer. “Don’t be sorry; don’t blame anybody. It’s destiny.” He asked to be cremated and a small gravestone erected in his hometown.

    Pieces of shit traitors whom demons will torment for an eternity in hell American politicians like Ted Kennedy, George W Bush, and John McCain aren’t fit to lick a boot of Roh Moo-hyun’s chauffeur.

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  343. on May 23, 2009 at 10:30 am Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””Arpagus
    http://www.myspace.com/elemental_goddess“”””””””””‘

    See what you did here arpagus was go straight up fag. This may be your problem. You should have used your knowledge of the situation to capitalize on the email capability.

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  344. on May 23, 2009 at 10:32 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””Even his suicide note is manly:

    “I’m indebted to too many people. Too many people are suffering because of me,” Roh wrote in the note left on his computer. “Don’t be sorry; don’t blame anybody. It’s destiny.” He asked to be cremated and a small gravestone erected in his hometown. “””””””””””

    Why I was supposed to be born asian.

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  345. on May 23, 2009 at 10:41 am Gunslingergregi

    During wwii and die gloriously as a kamikazi bomber hitting the magazine of an aircraft carrier.

    Oh well shit happens sometimes god fucks up. got to deal with it.

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  346. on May 23, 2009 at 10:47 am Keith

    Roissy:manhood :: Washington Generals:basketball.

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  347. on May 23, 2009 at 10:48 am Gunslingergregi

    There is no mission big enough for me right now on this planet. This blows. We have no great war we have no great crisis. Our greatest war is a spiritual war our greatest enemy is ourselves.

    The stock shit is basically make believe. The war too is disney g rated shit.

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  348. on May 23, 2009 at 10:54 am Bhetti

    Doug: You have brought me much happiness; I have a surprise for you.

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  349. on May 23, 2009 at 11:25 am doug1

    Bhetti

    Doug: You have brought me much happiness

    I can see that. Your generosity know no bounds.

    PA gets a bouncing baby boy from his woman and I get …

    This requires some rethinking …

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  350. on May 23, 2009 at 11:31 am Default User

    Bhetti

    Regarding your “surprise”:
    1) Does that mean you read that Jilly Cooper book after all?
    2) Is that a blender? [strange but work safe]

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  351. on May 23, 2009 at 11:42 am doug1

    Bhetti–

    About that rethinking …

    If that’s how you think it would turn out …

    This requires some more rethinking …

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  352. on May 23, 2009 at 12:07 pm Bhetti

    Doug: Reaction: Priceless!

    I will await your rethinking rethinking.

    He takes after his namesake; I was determined not to adore him until I was sure he would stay alive for at least two weeks but on the ride home, he kept on going straight for my fingers as I held him in my lap and stroking them. How could I resist that bonding time? Just like a baby kicking (fluid-filled bag and all). I knew what name he was destined for.

    I am not allowed any other pets and am transferring all my maternal instincts to my fish. Scary babytalk to my fish. Good times!

    Def:
    1)Lol, the answer is in the negative.
    2)Lol, the answer is in the negative.

    PA: You have seen my baby. What about yours?

    I kid, we don’t need to: Polish babies are invariably annoyingly cute.

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  353. on May 23, 2009 at 12:14 pm maurice

    @PA – congrats to you & family…!

    @bhetti – are you a golden mermaid from the persian gulf…?

    @doug – it’s the thought that counts…

    @gunny – what are you smoking over there? sometimes your posts are on point but a lot lately they are just random and weird. think before you hit enter …

    @LR – so you are a female blue-collar factory worker from rural PA. and around old-school males all the time. well, your views will definitely be different from the typical female who shows up here, but probably closer to the typical male views here in the end than your initial screed would indicate.

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  354. on May 23, 2009 at 12:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    What that shit was on point as it gets I picked up some nurse chick to easy.

    oh and maurice shut the fuck up.

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  355. on May 23, 2009 at 12:27 pm aoefe

    Default

    Aoefe is indeed an Irish name. I have blue eyes and I suppose they could steal wallets if inclined, but to this point not required. I find this blog tres interesant. I’ll try to be careful in comments, I’m realizing there’s a deeper subtext here.

    Anyone else reading

    If in fact anyone is interested I’m here to look a little deeper into what men think. I don’t think the group here is representative of the entire male gender but I do think there’s enough representation to make it insightful.

    I’ve only made a couple of comments even though I read daily plus I try to read as much as the thread as possible, (keeping in mind I have a real life). I commented earlier in the thread because it seems to me there are several men here who are intent on learning or practicing Game but when presented with the opportunity to show it here failed. L.R. needed to be ignored after a couple comments, simple as that. Roissy got it right.

    I don’t need or require comments back to this comment, I’m not here to feed, destroy or defend my ego. I’m simply appreciative of the ability to learn what goes on in the mind of men – fascinating. Thanks.

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  356. on May 23, 2009 at 12:28 pm Bhetti

    Doug, according to Tood, this can be our adopted child (who cares about genes being propagated!), all it needs is your love.

    So it comes in fish form. They’re much less expensive and annoying that way. Low maintenance.

    Will you deny my poor, orphaned Doug jr. a daddy?

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  357. on May 23, 2009 at 12:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    at aoefe,
    Yea but rain is literally begging for some dick. There is not much game needed to get her. How did people fail lol

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  358. on May 23, 2009 at 12:32 pm Bhetti

    Persian?! Arabian! My heritage is super-secret and that includes the fin-containing elements.

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  359. on May 23, 2009 at 12:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    And rain of course wanted Roissy but sometimes you got to take one for the team he he he

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  360. on May 23, 2009 at 1:35 pm Lady Rain

    Guns–

    What in the unholy hell are you talking about? Do you truly believe that I have problems getting dick? Even if you don’t base it on looks, my personality (meaning the one people in real life are accustomed to) isn’t one of a whiny, clingy woman and that’s pretty much one of the only things that makes a guy think twice about having sex with a girl (assuming she is attractive)

    Furthermore my saying yes to you emailing isn’t “game” on your part. I will happily talk to just about anyone generally speaking and regardless of what a lot of guys here think, I don’t hate men and I’m not “looking for” a Beta to care for me or my son. If I was, I doubt it would take 5 years to find one.

    WOW–

    I’d happily answer you as well, but again all these things are already stated and your story is wrong.

    I didn’t kick him out of our house. I left. I took my sons clothes/crib and my own. I let him keep the house and all the electronics and such we bought together. I didn’t care about any of that, it’s just “things”. I just wanted to get away from him.

    Second after leaving him I went to stay with my sister. He visited our son there maybe once or twice, but once he realized that I really had no intention of coming “home” he turned tail and disappeared. As previously stated. He knew where to find me. Knew the phone number. Knew the address. Did not want rights and didn’t want to pay either so he took the easy road and disappeared. That was fine with me. A few dollars isn’t worth 18+ years of fighting and legal battles.

    Get your story straight, my dear.

    Welmer and Joel

    Yes you can really judge a person by their fun social page
    like myspace. Grow up. The fact of the matter is that two men such as yourselves who clearly hate a woman no matter what could not look at my page and keep calling me a crazy feminist and things like that so you figured “eh… slut is the next best thing” and of course the old psychological stand-by “insult her mothering skills”. Sorry but I have enough confidence in both that your lower-level insults intended to hit on a weak point that is NOT directed toward my looks is just as ineffective. I think you too need a quick study in Carl Jung and some others.

    gig– a don’t know who Fem X or whoever is and please don’t accuse me of being two people because I had no problem telling people that “yes it’s me” on the Cracked forum and also no problem linking my web page.

    For everyone else: There is also a blog on the Cracked forum about the feminist blogger I was referring to if you’re interested it’s under “The Female Anti-Roissy”…. and definitely both sad and funny to read.

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  361. on May 23, 2009 at 1:37 pm Lady Rain

    Gunslinger–

    Also, Roissy is not at ALL my type physically speaking no matter WHAT his personality. I have no problem admitting that I’m shallow and if a guy isn’t really attractive then I don’t care how nice/smooth/charming he is.

    Roissy isn’t ugly, but I am a “more tattoos the better” type so you can see why Roissy wouldn’t fit my bill. Also I don’t like blondes typically.

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  362. on May 23, 2009 at 1:38 pm Racer X

    Lady Rain,

    Well after seeing your profile I definitely want to ravish/violate you in every way possible. You are quite hot.

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  363. on May 23, 2009 at 1:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””Lady Rain
    Guns–

    What in the unholy hell are you talking about? Do you truly believe that I have problems getting dick? Even if you don’t base it on looks, my personality (meaning the one people in real life are accustomed to) isn’t one of a whiny, clingy woman and that’s pretty much one of the only things that makes a guy think twice about having sex with a girl (assuming she is attractive)””””””””””””

    I didn’t look at your blog haven’t seen your pic. Just going off your comments. I can pick a chick by her words don’t need to see a body.

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  364. on May 23, 2009 at 1:58 pm doug1

    Bhetti–

    I am not allowed any other pets and am transferring all my maternal instincts to my fish. Scary babytalk to my fish. Good times!

    Could you be any more of a girl? Little heart quotes around Doug Jr. even.

    Somehow it’s charming that you feel so giggly happy / non fronting to share this with me. (Maybe you’ve had too much sun. Naaa.)

    all it needs is your love. ***

    Will you deny my poor, orphaned Doug jr. a daddy?

    I MAY be willing to not flush him down the toilet … if you’re extra coquettish.

    That may have to do.

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  365. on May 23, 2009 at 2:37 pm Obsidian

    Well good people, its a pretty straightforward deal here-Women have the upperhand in some ways in the mating/dating dance. But as I said before, it comes with some fine print. Let’s count the ways.

    It has been said that some 80% of all Women who have ever existed have gone on to reproduce, whereas about *half* of all Men who have ever lived have done the same. This alone should tell us what we need to know, that Women, due to both their limited beauty window and as well, their limited amount of eggs, simply makes them more important in sexual-economic terms, if I can coin such a phrase.

    As we all know, Men have the capacity to generate large quantites of sperm; the average Male, if healthy, will create some 16 gallons of jizz in his lifetime. Therefore, jizz floods the market, depressing its inherent value. Supply and demand.

    Therefore, Women are in many ways, in the driver’s seat. They get to choose which Male will win the rights to mount and quite possibly, impregnate her. In Nature, the female almost always chooses.

    The only real exception here, is Rape, which is as much a reproductive strategy as Cuckolding is-and as volatile, risky and not as solid. Nevertheless, rape is an ever constant fear and concern of just about all Women, rightly so, for it often brings with it the threat of death, and until very recently in human history, very little was done about it on a mass or societal scale.

    So, barring out and out rape, which did happen quite a lot down through the ages, the female chooses; she is literally the gatekeeper of who gets his seed planted, and who does not.

    Despite great leaps in cosmetic and reproductive technology, what I have outlined above has largely remained constant-and in some cases, like the Pill and Abortion, to name but a few, only strengthened Woman’s inherent “edge” in the mating game, to such an extent that they now have a virtual monopoly on not only who has sex and who doesn’t, but who lives (will be born) and who dies (who will not be born-aborted). Such a gross imbalance in the sexual market would have to be “corrected” at some point, and hence Game, among other things.

    The fine print however, is as follows: Women have a limited amount of time to make good on the reproductice promise of their eggs. Because eggs begin to literally breakdown after a certain age, on average, a Woman has about the time of the onset of her first menses till about 35 or so to choose a suitable mate, get pregnant, and have at least one child successfully. Because of the way human beings are “engineered”, this too is a tricky affair; human females usually need assistance to give birth effectively, and human young require years of care and supervision before they are able to function on their own. Additionally, human miscarriages are quite common, and the older a Woman is, the more likely miscarriage is.

    Therefore, for Women, sex is an inherently more riskier an affair than it is for Men, on average. They not only have to contend with the prospect of rape (and by extension, death), they also have to deal w/an extended gestation period, nursing period and childrearing period, all of which could come to naught if she chooses badly and does considerable damage to her ability to attract choice mates in the future.

    Barring exceptional Women like say, Sarah Palin, for the most part, once a Woman enters her mid to latter 30s, her choice mate attraction power, and for that matter ability to successfully birth healthy babies, has greatly diminished. Keep in mind please, that even Palin herself, no doubt a very attractive Women at any age, gave birth to a Down’s Syndrome baby, a condition due to genetic failings of the Mother’s eggs. We know this.

    So Women tend to have a shorter time future orientation, and, because most of them can and do field, in some cases, *daily* offers for sex, it is difficult not only for the vast majority of them to consider things from the Male POV sexually, but perhaps worse, they have a hard time evisioning a time when they’re sexual power-and make no mistake, it IS a form of power-will no longer be a given. Indeed, it is often a difficult, if not painful, thing to witness, particularly those Women who were at one time highly prized for their beauty, to come to the realization that they are no longer viewed in that way.

    At any rate, a Woman will have, on average, 20, 25 years, max, to find the best mate possible and have babies, if that long. And trust me, that is NOT as long a time, as you think.

    For Men, the “mission” is much more difficult early on, but gets easier as he acquires experience, wisdom, status and age. Early on young Men have no or very little status, wealth or other signals of visible success with which to convince females, particularly the more choice ones, to grant him access to their wombs.

    For most guys, getting laid in their earlier years is difficult at best-entire genres of movies, for example, are made just about this important, and often painful, phase in their lives (Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Animal House, Porkies, etc). Only when they’ve gained some age and hopefully along w/it, some degree of status, do things change for the better.

    Because of the inherent biological/psychological “hardwiring” of Women who tend to seekout more socially dominant Males, guys who are older, on average tend to fare better on the mating/dating market than younger guys, again on average. As has been noted earlier, a 35 year old Man, is in a much better position to date and mate, than a 35 year old Woman, all things being equal. And as they both advance in age, it only gets better for the Male.

    These differing reproductive “missions”-which are often at odds with each other-form the basis of the dynamic interaction that defines our species. They will continue to, despite artifical inflation of market value on the female side, and until very, very recently historically, market “corrections” on the male side.

    Hope these ramblings clears the air a bit.

    The Obsidian

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  366. on May 23, 2009 at 2:58 pm Rain And

    Lady Rain bears no relation to Lord Rain.

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  367. on May 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm Kamal S.

    Lady Rain@
    “Are you seriously suggesting to men that they should “shoot for” a woman with mental problems?”

    Ok – from the get go let’s make it clear that NO endorsement whatsoever is implied in my comment, on what Roissy’s just post. In fact, frankly I think that preying on people’s insecurities is one of those really, really, low and manipulative cruel power games..

    But as an academic point, Roissy is just being congruent in his character, or persona, which is the incorrigible rake. I have a sense he’s more or less laughing in a rather self satisfied way at the degree of angst he’s stirred up.

    Beyond the fact that he’s more or less indicated that he is not above power-plays and outright mental cruelty, I think that he enjoys and frankly relishes playing the role of public Bastard Generale. It is perhaps possible that he even hams it up to a degree. Or perhaps not. Either way I think that your reaction was the reaction he intended …

    Next, either way, as another pure academic point, almost everyone, every man, and every woman, has insecurities. So your characterizing this as a mental problem is almost like a bit of psycho-babble in which you in effect characterize the vast majority of men and women alike as having mental problems.

    Really.

    No one is so rock solid in their internal conception of themselves that they have no insecurities. Some of the greatest people in history have been plagued by incredible self doubt and insecurity, Doctor Phil pop psycho-babble aside. It shows up in their diaries and biographies.
    Part of growing into our own skins is the process of dealing with our insecurities. This is part of becoming an adult, but we always have something roosting deep within that the right bastard can pry open by observing us. We often give our insecurities away very easily with our behaviors and compensations.

    Dear god, I see this all the freaking time, one of my best friends was until recently married to a girl who was not only manipulative, sociopathic, cruel, and whorish, but who kept him on a leach by very intelligently playing off his insecurities, mixing flattery with subtle insults, fucking his “friends” and neighbors, then manipulating him into blaming himself. In fact most of the playette chicks I see running around are somewhat adept at wrapping boys around their fingers by playing on their insecurities, but this gal was a master.

    I sit around and observe pickups all the time at local bars. It’s a hobby, it amuses me. My clique of friends and I will sit around in coffeehouses or bars and observe people. It’s fun. Something I constantly notice is that some of the most intelligent women, of higher educational or social economic status, seem to be the easiest quarry for guys running around running Roissy style insecurity game.

    I have a large social circle, and many of my female friends have been seduced by the same 3 guys around town. 3 men in my town who collectively seem to hit so many girls doing the same sort of things Roissy talks about that it never fails to astonish me.

    In fact, I used to use it as a dating filtering out process. If I find out two of these guys consecquetively hit up a particular girl then I just confine my future interest in her to friendship alone, because two of these guys are known to be carrying unpleasant bugs indeed…

    Hundreds, upon hundreds of girls within a 3 mile radius of the café I’m sitting in, right now, KNOW these dudes, know their reputations as heart breakers, know that they have been through literally a few hundred girls from the age of 14 to 40, and yet they still fall for them, one guy in particular. Maybe it’s his clear blue eyes or something. Or maybe it’s his game. He isn’t a pretty boy by any stretch. He has rugged Anglo Saxon looks, but he’s short. Short and rugged. The other two guys I refer to are prettier.

    The guy has banged a couple of my male friend’s wives even. He even cuckolds lesbian couples. No girl I’m remotely interested in gets introduced to him, if we are in public and he walks in it’s like;

    “gee sweety, hey it’s getting late. Let’s go get… some ice cream.. oh that guy waving at me, yeah he’s a buddy, I’ll catch up with him later. Out, out the door with you (insert sound of me playfully slapping her ass)”

    I always sit close to exits anyway.
    He’s a good guy in many ways, intelligent, soulful, a great guy with guys, but just very manipulative and prone to playing on girl’s insecurities to get them in bed. Great guy, just don’t let your 14 year old sister near him.. or your mom.

    The most intelligent ones again fall the easiest. Or the demure ones from the good parts of town. They all seem to want to save him, find his good side, nurture it, bring it out – they all think they will be the one who saves him from the amoral empty vapid world of the serial man whore. The rougher girls from the trailer parks or the streets have their insecurities alright, but they seem so damn used to guys playing on them that this stuff doesn’t seem to work as well on them…. But even still, it can.

    If you met him in a Starbucks and knew nothing about his past I can promise you he’d have you bent over laughing in 5 minutes, and bent over a sink in the bathroom in 20 minutes. This is only a slight exaggeration. Most women are surprised at how quickly their resistance flees.

    Anyway you might want to assume that these women were all whores, but I would resent that because some of them are close friends of mine. While I know some of these girls are fast, very fast, and easy, others have a reputation of being notoriously not easy, even ice princesses. Solid practical girls with good common sense who seem to have great self esteem. Prying open their legs with an off handed insult would be an exercise in extreme futility. Except for him and his cocky little smirk and a backhanded insult that hit them somewhere tender….

    To some degree there is nothing wrong with this in principle, as kids we all tease each other a little bit on our weak points… Sometimes though a bit of harmless teasing strikes home someplace sensitive, and we learn to grow up and not rib on people too bad..

    NOW all of these 3 guys I know have insecurities themselves and a lot of self loathing.. perhaps their introspection on this makes it easier for them to leverage a girl’s insecurities to quickly get in her panties….. in spite of serious self loathing issues it doesn’t stand in their way of poon though.

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  368. on May 23, 2009 at 3:11 pm Bhetti

    Doug:
    True: Sun? England?

    All your pet animosity is endearing yet I’m not fooled: I’m not the one who (unconsciously?) sweetly implied ‘I would rather have an actual child, presented to me by my woman‘:

    PA gets a bouncing baby boy from his woman and I get …

    This requires some rethinking …

    I was happy with you just wanting a fish with me, prince of mine. But apparently it’s affection diverted to a product of your genes or nothing, you jealous man 😉

    Ever your girly girl,
    Bhetti.

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  369. on May 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm Default User

    Emerald aoefe

    Aoefe said: “Aoefe is indeed an Irish name.”
    But is she Irish, or just born to Hibernophile parents?

    Aoefe said: “I find this blog tres interesant.”
    Maybe French?

    Aoefe said: “I’ll try to be careful in comments, I’m realizing there’s a deeper subtext here.”

    I would be interested in your comments on the subtext that you detect. It is OK to be careful but don’t be too careful either. When the cigar smoke clears and you peer beneath our gruff exteriors, we are not too bad really.

    Aoefe said: “I don’t think the group here is representative of the entire male gender…”
    Correct: We are definitely the cream of the crop.

    I was going to comment on your comments regarding the gaming of Lady Rain, but this is getting too long.

    Slan for now.

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  370. on May 23, 2009 at 3:14 pm Non-loyalist

    Obsidian,

    there’s a quote from Oscar Wilde along the following lines:

    “Men know life too early. Women know life too late. That is the difference between men and women.”

    I always read it in the way you described above.

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  371. on May 23, 2009 at 3:19 pm Lady Rain

    Kamal I agree that I’m sure these methods DO work and I also agree that Roissy just plays it up to get people fired up…. you know, the old “bad publicity is better than no publicity” type of thing.

    As I said, a large portion of men reading these see the humor, the exaggeration, and know that these are just basic psychological things you can tap into in any person. A lot of these guys would not go to the dramatic extremes that Roissy does.

    It doesn’t piss me off that men USE this method because women have their own brand of the same thing psychologically speaking. What pisses me off is that I think deep down Roissy knows that the guys who are REALLY desperate will take everything he says LITERALLY and wage war on women with it. I said before that for SOME men on here Roissy is misleading them to believe they have power in being a man-whore. This is like women who think there’s power in being slutty.

    It irritates me that Roissy is clearly intelligent and using his intellect to to make some of the less intelligent guys here turn themselves into predators…. and I think it just amuses Roissy to know there’s other guys other places treating women like shit. He clearly WANTS to be the bad boy and notorious and he can’t do that without being a vampire of the men he’s supposedly trying to help. He’s not a champion for men, he’s a champion for himself and has no prob giving out vague advice and knowing that some types of guys will interpret this however they choose and go off the deep end.

    A man who preys on the insecurities/weaknesses of women as a hobby/lifestyle is a man who also has no problem preying on his own gender, either. Basically he is preying also on the weakness of some men here. What does he hope to gain in the end? I have no idea, but it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.

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  372. on May 23, 2009 at 3:21 pm Tupac Chopra

    Rain And:

    Lady Rain bears no relation to Lord Rain.

    Glad to hear it.

    That reminds me, I forgot to tell you in that other thread that I found Ma Rain to be quite fetching.

    Your mom gives Tupac good chub.

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  373. on May 23, 2009 at 3:22 pm Non-loyalist

    And while I’m at it, here are a few more OW quotes. Wit aside, I think many of them are surprisingly relevant, even on-topic.
    *
    Plain women are always jealous of their husbands, beautiful women never are. They are always so occupied in being jealous of other people’s husbands.
    *
    There is only one real tragedy in a woman’s life. The fact that the past is always her lover, and her future invariably her husband.
    *
    Twenty years of romance make a woman look like a ruin, but twenty years of marriage make her something like a public building.
    *
    Women have a wonderful instinct about things. They can discover everything except the obvious.
    *
    Women love us for our faults. If we have enough of them, they will forgive us anything, even our intellects.
    *
    Women are never disarmed by compliments. Men always are. That is the difference between the two sexes.

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  374. on May 23, 2009 at 3:24 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lady Rain:

    A man who preys on the insecurities/weaknesses of women as a hobby/lifestyle is a man who also has no problem preying on his own gender, either. Basically he is preying also on the weakness of some men here. What does he hope to gain in the end? I have no idea, but it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.

    Did you squirm squishily in your seat when you wrote that?

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  375. on May 23, 2009 at 3:37 pm Kamal S.

    Numero Two – Second point….

    Echoing what Maurice herself and others pointed out, Lady Rain not only do I think you are missing some of the point of Roissy’s blog, but you also are assuming anyway that most of the male readers of this blog “follow” Roissy, which may be somewhat of an incorrect statement. Sort of, say, shooting from the hips without really getting familiar with the diversity of male, and female, opinions on this blog.

    Utterly missing the ladies (like Maurice, or Bhetti, or Sara, or chic noir, or Nicole) who either actually find one or two things of value in Roissy’s worldview, or despise it all the same but glean interesting take home lessons for their own dating lives… as well as utterly missing the guys who either do not find anything worthwhile in his views, or who may find only limited personal value in his views and observations, or who just find him to be utterly full of crap but still intelligently (or not) debate him.

    One thing that I am noticing and noticed from the other thread is how personally you take much of what he’s posting, even to the point of projecting onto other male posters what is really only fully appropriate for him. I can only assume that this degree of personal umbrage is partially due to encounters with roissy like individuals in the past..

    This is a very, very, sincere point; consider the distinct possibility that your reactions are expected on his part, and that a very real reason that he writes certain things in certain ways is to encourage certain reactions. The man’s a damn good writer, whatever one think of his worldview, and it is not inconceivable that for a man of his intelligence and worldview, certain reactions might simply be the point, and be a form of amusement a sort of; “he’s not laughing witcha, but atcha” dynamic.

    I like reading this blog, and its comments. Why? Because it is a veritable cross section of what is going on in our dating culture today, the bad, the good, the ugly, the beautiful. Feminists and anti-feminists, Dissolute Rakes and bastards pissing on other’s worldviews, and sad, but good, little boys trying to defend their worldview. Sweet girls drawn like moths to the flame, and embittered girls seeing red reading someone advocating the very things that broke their hearts. The war of the sexes and the war of the genders. A highly literate train wreck in the midst of the inevitable decline of the Occident. The ancien regime died, what occurred thereafter is no new order, only the final fading of the twilight’s red glow beneath the horizon.

    In an atmosphere like this the intelligent can find far greater freedom and personal autonomy than ever before through greater understanding, there is a creative space to carve out one’s own fiefdoms..

    I read misandrist and misogynist blogs alike, radical feminist and progressive, and radical anti-feminist and right wing. Reading the give and take in opinions back and forth is very interesting to me, as long as I am able to refrain from letting my personal pains, my personal sufferings, my personal relationship history distract me from what is happening before my eyes.

    I posit that a person can learn a lot not only about themselves but also others around them based on how they personally react to these sort of posts, and where inside of them comes the emotion with which they react, and also about our culture in general, and why it is so hard for men and women to connect with each other in a lasting and meaningful way today.

    The nuances are important, the intent in-between the words are important. Being goaded into revealing too much of our own inner pain, and the subsequent rationalizations following thereupon, is very interesting.

    Anyway that was my personal advice. If your reactions are coming from a place of “wanting to help confused guys” realize that men who have literally fucked a couple hundred women may tend to be somewhat set in their ways and incorrigible and perhaps acting from a script based on their own early experiences of female sexuality, experiences that may have left them very wounded. Consider the possibility that just as you don’t need men in your life, as you somewhat sarcastically put it, for anything else other than cock, based perhaps on your own experiences with your baby daddy, that there are some men who literally want nothing else from women – based on THEIR own dating history and heartbreaks – than easy pussy.

    The pity of a priest talking to a rake is easily forgotten when that same rake is rummaging through a nun later that night. The road to hell, for some, is paved with indifference and even gleeful abandon and laughter.

    Anyway while you stick around, perhaps you should take a more nuanced look at the sheer diversity of contrarian opinions posting here.. and reflect on the personal nature of your posts, and where the energy that you put into your posts really comes from, and see whether that place is wounded and needs a bit of attention and healing…

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  376. on May 23, 2009 at 3:52 pm gig

    i googled “female anti roissy” and clicked onj a cracked blog web page. guess what I see?

    Lady Rain: ” Actually I WAS a stripper for about 8 months and although I didn’t dance for long”

    http://www.cracked.com/forums/index.php?topic=47774.msg1162809#msg1162809

    Lady is the gift that keeps on giving. I don´t think she is the same person as feministX, but anyway, they both represent the pure evil of feminism. They are the barbarians destroying civilization.

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  377. on May 23, 2009 at 3:52 pm Rum

    Lady Rain and other women here who keep making irritiable comments about “game” overlook the best means available for their gender to overturn his ideas: Just display a sustained preference for non-game-type guys for fucking. Not “I like him” or “I want to nest with him so I can stop working”. But fucking; the kind of pull your own panties off to offer a dripping pussy to a guy type fucking. But to Mr. Beta? the well intentioned, basically decent, eager to please sort of guy? Your horror at the idea seeps thru your postings and renders pointless all of your cavilling.

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  378. on May 23, 2009 at 3:55 pm gig

    “I was once a stripper and I don’t believe it warped my attitude towards sex at all. Overall I feel it was a positive experience”

    another pearl in the cracked forum

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  379. on May 23, 2009 at 4:04 pm gig

    the male version of it would be ” I was once an eunuch and I don’t believe it warped my attitude towards sex at all”

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  380. on May 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm Kamal S.

    gig@

    Lady, face reality, every men who has a little bit more dignity than David Alexander, once hearing that you have a son, and there is no story you could tell to make I sound better, will dump you. Only the desperate or the losers will accept you.”

    I disagree. While I’m not a loser, and I have dated single moms before, my case is hardly relevant. In principle though it does show that this opinion could be somewhat .. inaccurate. And while I have been desperate at discrete times in my life… It has been a long time since I’ve been desperate, and I certainly wasn’t desperate at the time of dating these girls.

    When I date someone while having other options, a lot for me depends on her personality. If I like her, and she and I can find a connection, then I may pursue something. None of the single moms I’ve dated (and there have been very few) have every wanted me to become their kid’s surrogate fathers, even though these kids tended to like me, and I take to them to and treat them well. Play ball with them. Read to them. Etc.

    At this point of time in my life I’m not interested in seriously dating a single mom, and I currently have little interest in pleasurable flings with the same, but who knows it could happen again.

    If I met the right girl with good character, who happened to have a child from a previous marriage or relationship, who was very open to having my children, then I very well could pursue it. It depends on the woman, and her maturity. My ultimate aim always was marriage and children, so when it became clear to both of us that no future could be in this arrangement then we part, on good terms. If this changes then it changes.

    I HAVE noticed some intelligent single mothers tend to be more mature than other women their age, as if they had a mistake, learned from it, and moved on.
    Others of course do not, in fact I’ve sometimes met basically 14 year old girls in 29 year old bodies. Often THESE were not working class girls, but were single moms from upper middle class backgrounds (it happens), who got knocked up, decided to keep it, were spoilt silly to begin with and by 25 their parents get tired of facilitating their party lifestyle. In particular artsy girls.

    Basically a sign of our times is that bastardry has no stigma in this age. This is contrary to the last 3000 years of human history east and west, in all but the most barbaric of cultures. Some regard this as progress, others regard it as regress. I simply notice it for what it is. I am just putting it as it is, with as few euphemisms as possible. Bastardry is bastardry, there are wider social effects to men and women accidently popping out bastard spawns, both male irresponsibility and female irresponsibility, as long as we are realistic about the wider effects, things are good.

    I am a child of an earlier age anyway, bastardry has a huge stigma for me and my family, a dishonor. But I am world weary, weary of fighting a culture that is increasingly like a freight train on an incline with stripped brakes. While many of my core values come straight out of the bloody 14th century, I just accept that I am somewhat out of sync with the culture as it stands now. I try to see things as they are, even where they depart from my ideals. I feel like a man in the middle of bombed out ruins, just gazing at all that surrounds me, and calmly accepting:

    “Here are the ruins, here I am, how do I navigate my way through the ruins without loosing sight of who and what I AM?”

    While I would never try to be a father to someone else’s bastards, I CAN be a child’s friend, a wiser older male figure to give them advice and to teach them. I love children, they are beautiful wonderful creatures to me, I just have no interest in disciplining another man’s bastard spawn. As long as that is understood I have been very open, in the past, to settling down with an attractive intelligent and sweet woman who happens to be a single mom.

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  381. on May 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    Shit I am nostalgic for the hood today. Listening to some Wutang.

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  382. on May 23, 2009 at 4:21 pm gig

    At this point of time in my life I’m not interested in seriously dating a single mom,

    so you have pumped and dumped single mothers. the fact that you pumped more than usual, so as to qualify it as dating, doesn´t change the fact that they all ended dumped by a man with options, ergo, not a loser or desperate.

    If I met the right girl with good character, who happened to have a child from a previous marriage or relationship, who was very open to having my children, then I very well could pursue it. It depends on the woman, and her maturity.

    the first part in black: do you know, Kamal, how critical that jump is? it simply ” happened” ? Also, I wrote focusing on Lady rain, and you are considering a gneral rule. A girl could be tricked and abandoned by the father of her child, but Lady rain specifically chose a thug. The thug part is impossible to explain to any man with dignity.

    the second part in black: thautology. Also, the very fact that she is a single mother “depends on the woman”.

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  383. on May 23, 2009 at 4:26 pm whiskey

    Obsidian — Not familiar with Lionel Tiger. Ehrenreich is a loon, like most feminists. Her view of Marriage as prison and desire for lots of sexy bad boys while someone else raises the kids is echoed in Lady Rain’s views. Suggesting most women espouse that view of feminism at least.

    Days of Broken Arrows — good points but the problem as both Theodore Dalrymple in the UK, and Charles Murray in the US have suggested, is that these norms are infecting MIDDLE CLASS WHITE WOMEN. Only (so far) Upper Class White women have refrained from illegitimacy and chasing bad boys, likely because there’s just too much money at stake (i.e. divorce means not the status-mansion in the Hamptons for “Summering” but a rental!) White middle class women are eroding into illegitimacy and bad boy chasing SLOWER than other groups, but are indeed eroding. Charles Murray estimates that White Middle Class women have 20% illegitimacy rates, a good proxy for bad boy chasing, and up something like 15% over twenty years.

    Silver — Lady Rain is some chick far away. She’s got a kid and a thing for bad boys. She’s younger than me. She’s probably uninterested in the things I’m interested in, and vice versa. Therefore, why the heck should I care about flirting with her? Really, what would be the point? Why would I waste my time and effort?

    And baldly put, once Lady Rain ages out of attractiveness, that’s her future. Most EVERY guy in person will treat her the same way I do: just like a man. She’s either got the goods intellectually, or not. Relying on past looks long gone won’t get it done. FWIW I’m glad she’s posted here. She confirms my views that women with financial security will always fall into bad-boy chasing (lots of tattoos, etc.)

    Most men probably now divide women into four parts (apologies to Caesar): relatives/friends (who generate protectiveness/comfort), co-workers who generate polite, non-commital distance, anonymous strangers who excite no sexual interest (and get treated like men), and targets of sexual interest.

    Even the female sexual utopia has it’s price. This end of chivalry/reflexive flirting is one of them.

    Obsidian — good point, and relates to one I’ve made in my blog. Ever declining birth rates means that older guys looking for girls ten to six years younger find fewer women available. That means even among older/wiser/sexier guys with status/power, a good number will lose out, or be forced to settle with near-same age peers who’ve played the musical chairs too long and have no real ability to bond.

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  384. on May 23, 2009 at 4:29 pm Lady Rain

    Gig–

    If I were embarrassed about have been a dancer in between jobs, I wouldn’t have posted openly in the forum and also wouldn’t have suggested anyone read the feminist blog.

    You are simply reinforcing the fact that I’m not a hardcore feminist. I didn’t dance to be “empowered” nor did I dance because I was desperate for money. I danced because I wanted to try it and it was fun! Certainly not something I’d suggest someone do for more than a few months, but it gives women a chance to become more comfortable with their bodies if nothing else.

    How is a former dancer and CNC Machinist the epitome of “feminist evil”? I would really like to see how you logically explain that.

    An angry feminist is offended when a man opens a door for her because she thinks it means he thinks she is weak

    An angry feminist would NEVER dance nude for the amusement of men no matter how much it paid

    An angry feminist is not proud of being “feminine” in the classic sense of the word, she is proud of being as manly as she can.

    An angry feminist does not joke about a woman’s blog about “rape” in a comedy forum.

    You can call me may things, Gig but you are way off base here. I do take it as a positive experience. I got hours of free exercise each night and got paid handsomely for it. If you try to say that dancers are “stealing money” from men type crap, you are incredibly backward. Men go into clubs KNOWING they are essentially giving their money away to a woman who is never going to return the favor either sexually or financially. These men are not “victims” of feminism because they could easily go to a bar and spend $10.00 get a really drunk chick more drunk and fuck her if he was looking for that so I hope you aren’t going to try THAT argument.

    I don’t get what you’re trying to make me out to be but I think “evil feminist” is pretty off the mark.

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  385. on May 23, 2009 at 4:34 pm Lady Rain

    Whiskey–

    I’m sorry to say, but you really are retarded. You literally just said that I represent women who have someone else raising my kids while I’m out fucking bad boys?

    Did you READ anything I posted previously? I wasn’t “abandoned”. I left my own home by choice (our home) and him as well.

    Also, I don’t receive child support, I live alone in my own place with my son, and am not on welfare or married/divorced collecting alimony so could you please explain exactly HOW someone else is raising my son and WHO that might be?

    My parents are of the old school and not “kid people” by nature. They love their grandchildren but don’t ask to see them more than maybe once a month or so. They are not the type to spoil/coddle their daughters (my sister and I) and therefore would NEVER consider raising our kids for us. I was raised in an upper-middle class household but NEVER was given money without earning it myself. Not even an occasional 20 here and there.

    So once again, you saying that I live off of others is the exact opposite of how I lived my life at ANY point. The only way your comment makes sense is if one assumes that I am lying about EVERYTHING I said and it is all the TOTAL opposite of what I said here.

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  386. on May 23, 2009 at 4:34 pm novaseeker

    It irritates me that Roissy is clearly intelligent and using his intellect to to make some of the less intelligent guys here turn themselves into predators…. and I think it just amuses Roissy to know there’s other guys other places treating women like shit. He clearly WANTS to be the bad boy and notorious and he can’t do that without being a vampire of the men he’s supposedly trying to help. He’s not a champion for men, he’s a champion for himself and has no prob giving out vague advice and knowing that some types of guys will interpret this however they choose and go off the deep end.

    A man who preys on the insecurities/weaknesses of women as a hobby/lifestyle is a man who also has no problem preying on his own gender, either. Basically he is preying also on the weakness of some men here. What does he hope to gain in the end? I have no idea, but it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.

    LR —

    All Roissy and people like him are doing is giving men a tool kit to crack the code of attraction in this very darwinistic, dog-eat-dog world of male/female interaction we have going at this particular point in time. As Obsidian has pointed out, game (including using insecurities as Roissy describes here, albeit with some exaggeration) is merely a means for men to make a market correction in what is an otherwise tremendously female lopsided sexual market. Game and the system of game are merely a means for men to put aside the cultural programming about women, learn about female sexual psychology and attractions, and put that knowledge to use. Some men will use it to find a mate. Some men will use it to find a lover. Other men will use it to screw as many women as possible. What a man does with it is up to him. But Game itself is just a toolkit and an attitude adjustment which men who are interested in being with women to some degree can deploy with success. It works. And it works because it makes women feel good — attraction generally does. What is there to object to about that?

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  387. on May 23, 2009 at 4:35 pm Kamal S.

    To Lady Rain’s credit she did say that the child’s grandfather has a real role in his life. This is VERY important, both of my grandpa’s had an important role in my life. It mattered, in particularly because I was exposed to values from another generation which gave me a real degree of… objectivity in looking at the beliefs and practices of our age. Few people remotely imagine just how different our culture was even 50 years ago. Or they imagine only progress, not having any clue how much perhaps has also been lost, of good, simply by being out of touch with another generation.

    The biggest problem with Western culture, in Europe and America, is the disconect between the generations. Really. I have no problem with progress, as long as you have some grounding in your past. Without this you become rudderless. Those who doubt this usually flounder badly later in their lives and start to realize – too late – the truth to this..

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  388. on May 23, 2009 at 4:39 pm Chic Noir

    Jamal Utterly missing the ladies (like Maurice, or Bhetti, or Sara, or chic noir, or Nicole) who either actually find one or two things of value in Roissy’s worldview

    Uh Maurice is a woman??? What have I missed?

    jamal and that a very real reason that he writes certain things in certain ways is to encourage certain reactions. The man’s a damn good writer, whatever one think of his worldview
    I have to agree with you here. At times I want to kick his squirell food, but I can’t front on his writing ability.

    jamal certain reactions might simply be the point, and be a form of amusement a sort of; “he’s not laughing witcha, but atcha” dynamic.
    Agreed, to bad some of our male commenters don’t get that.

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  389. on May 23, 2009 at 4:39 pm gig

    Lady Rain

    A single mother, giving birth to a thug´s son. Hoping that grandpa will fill the void left by daddy. A mother of a kid of 5, who posts a picture of her ass in a public forum. A woman who considers working as a stripper some normal thing.

    Your life style and your choices are unsustainable. Who will be the grandpa of your grandsons? The social consequences of your choices are nothing but the destruction of western civilization.

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  390. on May 23, 2009 at 4:51 pm Jack

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/fashion/weddings/17KLEIN.html?fta=y

    Beta of the Month candidate right here folks. This good-looking 28-year-old Italian instructor at UCLA should be banging open-minded, tight-assed undergrads every fucking weekend. Instead, he’s marrying a DIVORCED woman, a LAWYER who is FIVE years OLDER than him. He needs to be slapped upside the head about 50 times. Could he make any worse decision with his life?

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  391. on May 23, 2009 at 4:53 pm Obsidian

    Non Loyalist,
    Thanks for the Oscar Wilde quote.

    O

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  392. on May 23, 2009 at 4:55 pm Lady Rain

    Kamal–

    I agree that a boy just being around a man of older generations implies a more “strong silent” manliness than most of this pomp and peacocking. (in the way of child-rearing). My father is a man that I would be very proud to have my son grow into. He’s hard working and expects no less from other humans. There is no excuse for failure except not trying hard enough. Money isn’t handed to you. Also, a man of that generation would be HORRIFIED by the way some men on here are referring to their wives and girlfriends. In those days, a self-respecting man doesn’t whine about his marriage issues, he addresses them privately with his wife.

    In my opinion THAT is an Alpha man.

    Nova–

    I don’t have a problem with these methods in and of themselves. I don’t have a problem with guys using this as good dating advice or ways to have more confidence in talking to women (etc).

    I’m also not bothered by Roissy’s “tone” because as I said before being notorious is better than being unknown in the mind of an attention-whore such as himself.

    You mentioned that people have the right to live as they choose. I wholeheartedly agree and previously stated that there is a fine line between “living your life” and “living your life at the expense of others”. The men who DO decide to use this as a weapon against women in general ARE effecting the lives of others and possibly the person’s children and families as well. Call me an idealist, but when a person’s “exuberance for life and experiencing it” can literally take away the right of another person to live the same way, there IS MUCH harm!

    I am definitely guilty of my own brand of underhanded “women tricks” of course! I don’t play to be innocent either, but I also know that I don’t have the right to fuck up everyone else’s lives just to make myself feel better.

    It pisses me off because Roissy KNOWS there are men like this and writes more dramatically knowing that some will take it literally. It’s childish because essentially he’s not happy just ruining the lives of women HE knows, he want to have mindless minions do it FOR him everywhere! These guys that DO hang on his every word and not just take it as “dating tips” are essentially his slaves…. to me if you’re okay with “I’m a dick and fuck you if you don’t like it” you should at least have the balls to admit you are just playing on guy’s insecurities as much as the women’s. People who act like they’re a “champion” of a cause when they’re out for themselves piss me off in general.

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  393. on May 23, 2009 at 4:57 pm silver

    Whiskey,

    Therefore, why the heck should I care about flirting with her? Really, what would be the point? Why would I waste my time and effort?

    I didn’t suggest you should have flirted with her. It was the general nature of your interaction with her I took…well, no I didn’t take exception to it. It just startled me. You basically told her rat-tat-tat why her life and her son’s life will turn out a piece of shit, that there’s little she can really do about it, and she deserves it all anyway. Way to go.

    Even the female sexual utopia has it’s price. This end of chivalry/reflexive flirting is one of them.

    Cut off your nose to spite your face why don’t you.

    To hell with that. “Game” can be played chivalrously. Men cursed women for failing to keep their own wits about them well before “sexual utopia” arrived on the scene. (Are you sure it’s that great for chicks? Really? With not one among us who doesn’t think a slut a filthy slut?). None if it’s a reason to toss out chivalric ideals (revised and updated, of course).

    I won’t patronizingly ask you to “trust me,” but there’s nothing “beta” about me when it comes to chicks. I may not have all the cool lines this Roissy’s got but I can’t remember the last time I felt I was being “played” by a girl.

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  394. on May 23, 2009 at 5:02 pm Jack

    “I have no problem admitting that I’m shallow and if a guy isn’t really attractive then I don’t care how nice/smooth/charming he is.

    Roissy isn’t ugly, but I am a “more tattoos the better” type so you can see why Roissy wouldn’t fit my bill.”

    Lady Rain, I appreciate your attempts to keep up with people who are of much higher IQ than you here, but seriously? You don’t see what’s wrong with what you said above?

    You’re 28, and ok, not bad looking. Nice ass, tits kind of small. I’m in law school, so we’re from different classes. I’d pound you in a bar bathroom but I doubt I’d be seen with you in public. You have a kid and your looks are deteriorating. Yet you actually aren’t ashamed of being completely shallow and interested in tattoos. This goes to what Whiskey talks about. You’re almost 30! You write like you’re about 16. What the fuck is wrong with you? You have no perspective whatsoever as far as what to look for in a man. I see you as you are, as a trailer trash ho who’s worthless for anything other than a pump and dump.

    Since you live near my parents, I might be available to stop by for said pump-and-dump. Leave the kid with a relative for a couple hours.

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  395. on May 23, 2009 at 5:08 pm Thursday

    it is clear it’s not to “help the average guy”.

    Unlike women, guys are surprisingly generous about helping all sorts of other guys learn stuff. We like mentoring. It’s part of our make-up. Besides, it’s always good to have another guy in the pack.

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  396. on May 23, 2009 at 5:25 pm Bhetti

    Thursday: Although women don’t mentor women the way guys do, they still do. Most women I meet attempt to pass on wisdom to me and this element is heavily present in female journalism.

    You need to expand.

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  397. on May 23, 2009 at 5:26 pm Obsidian

    Nova, good points you make in reply to Lady Rain, who, I must say, does make me raise an eyebrow when I read of her personal record. Of course, I recognize her right to her choices, etc…but I gotta tell ya, like I said, it does raise an eyebrow for me.

    At any rate, yea like you said, Game is amoral, merely a set of tools. Its up to the individual as to how he chooses to use them, and to what end.

    O

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  398. on May 23, 2009 at 5:30 pm novaseeker

    The men who DO decide to use this as a weapon against women in general ARE effecting the lives of others and possibly the person’s children and families as well.

    LR —

    But I don’t see how it’s being used as a weapon. Game makes women feel good — they feel the rush of attraction and perhaps the sexual exclamation point as well. In this day and age there are no guarantees. If you fall for a guy and sleep with him immediately or almost immediately, I don’t think it’s reasonable to blame the guy who is using Game to get that sex as being a predator who is using Game as a weapon against women. Women who have casual sex with men who pick them up and make them feel the rush of attraction are big girls who can look out for themselves, not the victims of the men who are using Game to pick them up.

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  399. on May 23, 2009 at 5:33 pm novaseeker

    Most men probably now divide women into four parts (apologies to Caesar): relatives/friends (who generate protectiveness/comfort), co-workers who generate polite, non-commital distance, anonymous strangers who excite no sexual interest (and get treated like men), and targets of sexual interest.

    Whiskey —

    This is my experience as well, in terms of market segmentation analysis for men.

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  400. on May 23, 2009 at 5:38 pm Lady Rain

    Gig–

    Again you are guilty of continuing to NOT read words, look at a picture of me and be wrong once again.

    I don’t have 5 kids, dumb ass. I have one.

    This is why I refuse to even answer you anymore because apparently even reading the caption BELOW my pictures was too much reading for you where you would have seen the many “these are my nieces and nephews”. If you can’t be bothered to read a one sentence caption before posting a new insult, I can’t be bothered to keep reiterating the same thing over and over to you.

    Jack–

    Clearly you jumped on here totally off topic just to insult whatever woman on here you can find knowing nothing at all about me. My major in college was Law. However, being a lawyer and a single mother would mean being away from my son about 90% of the time, which I’m not okay with.

    If you were as classy as you seem to think you are you wouldn’t “pound a girl in a bar bathroom”. Furthermore I don’t go to bars so you wouldn’t find me there. I have no idea what you look like and it doesn’t matter because I would never ever date a man who talks the way you do in general. It would be embarrassing at both family functions and in public.

    You have no idea what my IQ is…. you have no idea what the IQ of any of the men on here are. Yet you immediately say my IQ is lower than everyone on here.

    That would fall into “hearsay” and not even go as far as “reasonable suspicion” let alone the “evidence” to make your argument valid. You are either NOT a lawyer or you are a very bad one. If you WERE a lawyer you would read back through the facts and previous posts to make you childish rant create the “shadow of doubt” that you wish to create about me as a person.

    I’d expect this from a man with no law experience, but certainly not from one with an IQ as high as yours!!! (sarcasm intended)

    Also you can only assume my “looks are deteriorating” because you have no idea what I looked like 2 years ago, 5 years ago, etc.

    You seem to have the mindset that because I’m not afraid to be alone and not “in a panic” to land a man that I must be immature? Yes everyone knows that a woman who is desperate to find a man is REALLY attractive to the opposite sex (sarcasm intended again). I’m not sure if you’re pissed that I’m not in a man-finding panic or if you’re just pissed I’m alive here on earth, but no amount of warnings about getting older are going to scare me. I’m in better shape now then I was 5 years ago and I don’t even work out. Basically at this point I don’t do anything at all to keep a good figure and stay in shape…. so the only “fear” I have is that I might actually have to exercise someday.

    Also why should I be ashamed that I’m attracted to men who are…. errr… attractive? Way to make no point at all. Do you honestly believe OTHER women like you for your great personality? No. Guess what the ball rolls both ways. Men like an attractive woman. Women like an attractive man. Welcome to earth, sir.

    Also in order to be “trailer-trash” I’d have to be raised from a shitty family (not the case). I come from a family with a decent amount of money and my parents consider a divorce within the family some sort of horrible embarrassment. Furthermore I don’t live in a trailer and never have. I have an excellent education….at least enough of one that a guy like you would become my little bitch in less than 5 minutes because you speak before you think.

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  401. on May 23, 2009 at 5:45 pm Lady Rain

    Nova–

    I think you missed the point of my post. It’s not that I think he’s tricking WOMEN I think he’s tricking MEN. He is teaching otherwise good guys to disregard all things humans have evolved FROM like relying on the “id” and functioning only to eat, sleep, shit, and fuck. While his advice may be useful, it’s nothing NEW and it’s not “enlightening” to use the word a gentlemen on here used earlier.

    I like to think that most men are MORE than just primal desire based cavemen. He is teaching men who may already have self esteem issues to hate themselves even more and retract back to the days where people barely functioned above the intellect of animals.

    Also I have stated before that women who “play the victim” in a situation where they are not a victim are causing problems for ALL women. Women fuck casually just as much as men do and also play some of the same games. A woman who claims to be a “victim” to every man and refuses to see any fault of her own is MAKING herself the victim. She is showing that she is afraid of men… not disgusted by them.

    In the same way men who pretend that they are battling some huge war that women are allegedly secretly waging for years are also “playing the victim” and thus showing that they are easily fooled by women and are afraid of them as well (essentially handing the power right back to the woman).

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  402. on May 23, 2009 at 5:47 pm collegeboy

    Roissy:

    Make more post’s of “Girlfriend Or Fling.”

    I went out yesterday and was studying groups/sets before I approached and needless to say your analysis are really helpfull and hit home all the time.

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  403. on May 23, 2009 at 6:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    eat, sleep, shit, and fuck

    What the fuck else are we supposed to do. Repeditive tasks for 8 hours a day watch tv and eat sleep shit fuck.

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  404. on May 23, 2009 at 6:03 pm novaseeker

    I like to think that most men are MORE than just primal desire based cavemen. He is teaching men who may already have self esteem issues to hate themselves even more and retract back to the days where people barely functioned above the intellect of animals.

    LR —

    Ah, but perhaps what you don’t understand is that in order to equalize the power — well not equalize, but move it something less unequal — men need these tools. If they want to use them to behave like animals that’s their prerogative. But it isn’t disempowering for them, it’s empowering, and it’s a personal choice. If they want to behave like animals and screw every woman in sight it’s their choice. It wouldn’t be my choice, but I respect the choices of others, and I think you do as well.

    Under the current scenario, without game, most men will not get laid often, if at all. It’s that simple. Women don’t face the same calculus as men do, and I think you admitted that yesterday. The market is completely propped against men right now because of the radical devaluation of marriage and monogamy. Monogamy oppressed women, but liberated men (from being relegated to the “do not get laid” camp). Similarly the nearly complete debunking of monogamy liberated women, but oppressed most men, relegating them, again, to the “do not get laid” bucket. So Game is just a way men have of digging themselves out of that bucket. Are some of the men who are learning game at first very, very bitter about women for passing them over for bad boys? Oh yes, they are. And that is what you are seeing here. But the tool is needed for these men to have any hope at all in the sexual marketplace, and many men will find their way to use it in a more responsible manner once they get some successes under their belts and begin to put the bitterness of years of female rejection behind them.

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  405. on May 23, 2009 at 6:05 pm Obsidian

    Lady Rain,
    Wrt “the way we were” it should be noted that life for many Americans were hardly the idyllic picture proferred by Ozzie & Harriet-prior to the 1970s, the biggest divorce boom the USA had ever seen was in the years right after WW2, particularly 1947. And the 1950s was a time of considerable social repression; keep in mind please, that Playboy was born at this time, w/its first centerfold model ever, Marilyn Monroe, gracing its pages; meanwhile, Bettie Page, who would become known more for her BDSM modelling work than her pinup girl work, became something of a household name, along w/Jayne Mansfield, just to name a few. And then there was Liz Taylor and her torrid up and down, on and off marriage/affair to Richard Burton.

    While I don’t deny there were many good things about the past, we should be mindful not to romanticize and whitewash them either. Men of the era were more stoic, yes, but that didn’t necessarily mean they were any better, and often, their wives and families bore the brunt of these Men’s problems, especially those returning from WW2.

    And again, w/all due respect, on the basis of your reports, one could say there’s a big difference btw the kind of Man your dad is, and the kind of Man your son’s dad is. One could also suggest, that the divergence btw the two represents something lacking on the former’s part, insofar as transmitting his values onto you was concerned when it came to mate selection-unless, you dad also has numerous tats and leading man looks.

    Just a thought.

    The Obsidian

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  406. on May 23, 2009 at 6:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Are you saying it is better to be a worker bee. Than to pimp chicks like you lady rain and let them do the work?

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  407. on May 23, 2009 at 6:06 pm Chic Noir

    Mr. M as for this blog, same thing. even the most radical feminist/les has a naked pics of herself.
    well I only have pics of myself in my workout clothes. I hope that helps.
    P.S blame it on the playboyization of the culture. Men being turned on only by the playboy type and young girls falling over themselves to look like what men find desirable.

    Pa coment May 22, 2009 at 11:23 pm
    *DEAD FAINT*

    aoefe, you have entered the pit of hell.

    Roissy has blonde hair?

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  408. on May 23, 2009 at 6:07 pm Bhetti

    Lady Rain: You’re so full of passion and it’s amazing how much energy you have.

    A person does not take the information presented to them blindly. They digest it, compare it to their worldview, test it. Roissy’s not a fundamentalist pastor preaching to his sheeple masses. He deliberately stirs the pot which challenges, encourages critical thinking, slowly reveals his own tragic madonna/whore idealising, entertains…

    Roissy simply gives permission for a man to be who he wants to be and like himself. To reach for it and make his own reality.

    Yes. That includes becoming a caveman. But so many more possibilities.

    Why would a man hate that? What does he say that is not testable?

    Gunny: The only people I’ve seen actually live like that were close to being suicidal or depressive. For humankind, it is not enough. You need more than that: food for the soul and mind, not just the body. Human interaction for the sake of it. Having some purpose that is bigger than just the individual self. That’s how we’re built.

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  409. on May 23, 2009 at 6:15 pm aoefe

    @Default

    “Maybe French?”
    Non

    “…When the cigar smoke clears and you peer beneath our gruff exteriors, we are not too bad really.”

    I honestly don’t think you guys are too, too bad. Some are a little misguided perhaps and I don’t mean by Roissy (like L.R seems to think).

    My comments? I’m not sure I have the written language skills to formulate a succinct enough summary. I’m frustrated with L.R’s attempt and I don’t desire a tongue lash (or bath as some of you would be wont to add). I’ll remain neutral at this point. I have nothing burning, or important enough to add to the mix for the moment. Thanks for the invite, believe it or not appreciated.

    “Correct: We are definitely the cream of the crop.”

    I think it’s healthy to have a positive sense of worth , at least when it’s accomplished with a good dose (ya make jokes) of self reflection.

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  410. on May 23, 2009 at 6:27 pm gig

    low IQ stripper

    I wrote :

    A mother of a kid of 5

    reading comprehension is part of what we call “verbal IQ”.

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  411. on May 23, 2009 at 6:28 pm Rum

    There is a real sense in which the men in this thread have been accusing the female gender of engaging in some highly dishonest presentations regarding their sexuality. The essence of the claim is that females instincts incline their pussies towards having sex with guys like Mike Tyson while they simultaneously deploy their conscious minds and verbal skills to influence guys to behave more like some well-meaning nice guy.
    Lady Rain responds to this accusation, by saying, more or less, ” You guys should treat us nice and with deep respect, etc.. And for my hot self to fuck, the more thuggish and the more tatoos the better.” Without a trace of irony.
    Let us face facts. Guys are dealing here with entities with NO awareness of their own sexuality. Beats me why one should read anything they write. It is like talking to a robot.
    Bhetti is equally clueless regarding sexuality. She sees the “passion” in Rain Lady but entirely misses the deep, total incoherence.
    The notion that successful gaming of females requires turning off the whole concept of rational thinking (or of taking seriously anything they say) continues to be vindicated.

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  412. on May 23, 2009 at 6:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””Bhetti,
    Gunny: The only people I’ve seen actually live like that were close to being suicidal or depressive. For humankind, it is not enough. You need more than that: food for the soul and mind, not just the body. Human interaction for the sake of it. Having some purpose that is bigger than just the individual self. That’s how we’re built.”””””””‘

    Was that directed at me the guy whose goal is to help give woman a higher purpose on this planet?

    LoL

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  413. on May 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm ScotchFiend

    Whiskey

    How about this little tweak?

    That means even among older/wiser/sexier guys with status/power, a good number will lose out, or be forced to settle with near-same age peers who’ve played musical dicks too long and have no real ability to bond.

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  414. on May 23, 2009 at 6:41 pm Default User

    I think it’s healthy to have a positive sense of worth , at least when it’s accomplished with a good dose (ya make jokes) of self reflection.

    Was that a neg? Not bad, not bad at all.

    Two things:
    If I shared with you that De Fault was a Spanish name would you be willing to share your country of origin?
    [I had an Irish girlfriend once (not Aoefe) – hence the curiosity]

    I know it can be tough here but it it gets too bad you can always change your screen name and come back as someone else. 🙂

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  415. on May 23, 2009 at 6:45 pm Chic Noir

    PA
    Single motherhood:
    When the boy is 0-12 years old, she controls him by yelling at him. And yelling, And more “geeeeeet over here dammit, turn off that damn TV, why haven’t you doooone your homework yeeeet, look at those mudtracks on the carpet, I just don’t know what to do with you anymore (sob!)”
    From 13-on, he is no longer afraid of her, and from this point on, he’s uncontrollable.

    Sad to say but this is all too common. That’s why women have to think hard about what type of man they are going to have children with. Even if they’ve cut up as a bar skank when they were younger, you must change your tune when you are ready to have children.

    Thursday Lately, I found myself actually considering working part time instead of full time in order to improve my “game.”

    Please don’t. There are plenty of little boys like Lady Rain’s son(no dig) whose only male rolemodel are male teachers like yourself.

    Tupac via feministx and that women only truly feel sexual desire towards sadistic alphas and badboys, then I’d have to say “yes
    Not true at least not for me.

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  416. on May 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm David on ipod

    Re: novaseeker

    I don’t see how men not having sex is oppression given that it takes a lot of work to get the sex. Sex in exchange for nearly most of your pay doesn’t seem ideal to me even with a faithful wife.

    Admittedly we are at an interesting point in society. It seems that the only real choices for women are to become single mothers or refrain from having kids. I almosted tempted to say that if my female friends don’t go the single mother route, they may go childless.

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  417. on May 23, 2009 at 7:05 pm doug1

    Lady Rain–

    It irritates me that Roissy is clearly intelligent and using his intellect to to make some of the less intelligent guys here turn themselves into predators…. and I think it just amuses Roissy to know there’s other guys other places treating women like shit.

    Why shouldn’t men be predators, seeking to more easily get casual sex from women willing to give it to a them if they learn to push her buttons right? You certainly seem to be a sexual predator in many ways. You say you like younger guys and guys with tattoos, and so on. You’ve made it very clear that you’re not looking to marry or otherwise live with a man, despite the fact that a well chosen stable and good role model father figure for your son would be invaluable for him, as research shows. No, instead your dating interests are obviously, and you’ve said as much, basically strictly sexual. That, when pursued by a man, is what women usually mean by “predatory”.

    Women (or young and youngish ones anyway) who do want causal, or short relationship sex, have a much easier time at getting it than men do, as you yourself have said. That’s for supply and demand reasons that go back to biology, it’s by now very clear. Game tends to even that out some for those that have it naturally or get good at learning it. It’s not surprising that a lot of women react against that, and don’t want to lose their edge, or huge advantages, in the dating market, or even see them diminished.

    What’s naturally the case about women’s advantages has been made even more so by our feminist culture that seeks to allow and remove from taboo anything that’s traditionally been called sluttness in women, and at the same time trained men as far as it could (though this has worked principally among more intelligent and highly educated men), to NOT act dominant over women even playfully, to expect female leadership all over the place (which is called treating women as equals but entirely on their terms and that’s not really the goal or even message) and be ok with that, and in general to be pussies. Game is a corrective, particularly as preached by Roissy.

    Although most alphas are pretty much naturally that way by a combination of their biology and their influences and role models growing up, some men at least can learn to be alpha by reading about and practicing game, or become more alpha, or closer to alpha. I’m someone who was never below at least higher beta growing up (actually sort of went into and out of lesser alpha in late junior high and hs). But then during HS and the very beginning of college I taught myself how to break through into solid alpha by analyzing what I did and had done that worked and what bombed (throwing out preconceptions), observing very successful others and saying screw it, throwing caution to the wind, and just trying stuff including outrageous stuff out.

    Basically what I learned was to strip away some of my nice guy family and cultural training, let my playfully dominant side rip, play with girls emotions instead of always excessively making them secure, suppress urges to be too nice particularly at the beginning or if things were going south, stop suppressing my arrogance but rather sometimes highlighting it, peacocking some in a venue effective way, and so on.

    It would have been a easier if I’d then had Roissy to read. A lot easier. As well I’m pretty good at thinking outside the box and being bold about trying stuff and if I’d been less so in either, self teaching would have been a lot harder. So yeah as a “natural” I still think this place is real valuable. That’s just on the game side. He’s also big time about gender realism and anti-feminism, which are at least as much what attracts me.

    I’d even say that we need a whole lot MORE misogyny in our culture at this point in time, as a corrective to the rampant misandry, and the intentional feminist pussification of men. Yeah, that’s the way things work. There has to be a strong and excessive counter voice that becomes heard and is not ashamed but rather proud to speak it’s mind. That’s Roissy’s too. Ultimately I’m for synthesis, sure, and I do that in my own personal life, but the forces must be out there and heard.

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  418. on May 23, 2009 at 7:10 pm Bhetti

    Rum: I was being positive, due to the deluge of negativity. Nowhere did I imply anything about her coherence or comment on the quality of the substance of what she said, except indirectly in the rest of the comment I made.

    Still, it’s nice to think cluelessness about sexuality remains or, at least, that that’s the image you have of me that predisposes you to interpret this from what I say.

    Gunny: Not at you, but what you said:

    eat, sleep, shit, and fuck

    What the fuck else are we supposed to do. Repeditive tasks for 8 hours a day watch tv and eat sleep shit fuck.

    I’m glad we agree.

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  419. on May 23, 2009 at 7:12 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Sure, women can have sex anytime and it’s easy for them in that respect.

    But as Roissy has noted, what’s difficult for them is getting a guy to stick around. That’s their challenge. And this is what separates the high quality women from the losers.

    This is why women hate game, because it makes them all “losers” in that context. They all become one night stands, which stats show they hate. Games reverses the power in the battle of the sexes, because if no one wants to stick around, women become as sexually useless and men.

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  420. on May 23, 2009 at 7:17 pm novaseeker

    I don’t see how men not having sex is oppression given that it takes a lot of work to get the sex. Sex in exchange for nearly most of your pay doesn’t seem ideal to me even with a faithful wife.

    Dave Alex —

    That’s because you have conditioned yourself to prefer porn to sex. Sex is much, much better than porn, even meaningless sex, even sex where she doesn’t reciprocate. Much better. And if you have a social structure that encourages women to settle for men of their own calibre, the sex is even better, better. I know you disagree, but you’re wrong.

    There is a real sense in which the men in this thread have been accusing the female gender of engaging in some highly dishonest presentations regarding their sexuality. The essence of the claim is that females instincts incline their pussies towards having sex with guys like Mike Tyson while they simultaneously deploy their conscious minds and verbal skills to influence guys to behave more like some well-meaning nice guy.

    Rum —

    Isn’t this just another shit test? Shit testing often is not conscious, but reflexive. This seems to be a classic example of it — which path will you take: her words and be a simpering unattractive male, or her actions, and be the man you know she wants. It looks like a shit test to me.

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  421. on May 23, 2009 at 7:22 pm Kamal S.

    On not abusing the “submit comment” button again… well regard it as a fib.

    0. gig@ Ok.. touché. Point is well taken.

    1. As for Lady Rain’s photo on another forum, well, I for one think she’s a cutie, in a girl next door kind of way. Actually almost a spitting image of one of my ex’s, strangely enough. She has a good chin, smile’s rather charming, appears to have good teeth, and she’s a redhead to boot. She has a womanly look, doesn’t look like a little girl. If she can keep this look for a few years it will be good for her. Single motherhood does tend to put some years on.

    2. Whisky@ ”Only (so far) Upper Class White women have refrained from illegitimacy and chasing bad boys, likely because there’s just too much money at stake..”

    Hmm.. perhaps to a degree, in the case of flagrant, flagrant, debauchery, but with due respect I’m not fully convinced. If anything I think that a certain degree of sexual decadence filtered down to the middle classes from the upper classes.

    Here, now, Paris Hilton like decadent debutantes are a dime a dozen in some party circles. Some girls are recent money, but some are old established families. My town has serious old Protestant aristocratic families and old money. There are a couple of the trust fund baby girls running around here. One girl is so notorious that I found out she has a rep even in Argentina of all places. Yes they chase bad boys for thrills, and oddly enough many of them are quite bad girls themselves.

    Popping e-tabs, chasing bad boys and fornicating with them on coffee shop sofas (happened at my favorite coffee shop, I swear) is one matter – but illegitimacy is another matter altogether.

    Literature and history’s an imperfect mirror. But you can notice some general themes, a general mood, and correlate it with things you see with your own eyes. I see a lot of things through the light of literature. Fiction is polite lying by definition, but literature combined with formal history gives a more interesting and nuanced look at the past.

    Think of Fitzgerald’s Great Gatsby, as a sort of literary reflection of many things happening in American old money circles. Recall that Fitzgerald wrote much about what he saw going on around circles he himself frequented.

    Ian Fleming, the author of James Bond, was a consummate bad boy who went through quite a few British aristocrats. If anything the character James Bond was a toned down version of himself, strongly dominant, liked beating his women, went through them like he went through socks. his wife described his character best…

    There’s was a trilogy of social gossip books written in the early 20th century by an anonymous former member of the house of Lords and an ambassador. He wrote about the excesses of British upper class social scenes in the late 19th century. There are a few amusing though refined bad boy characters throughout them. If you can get hold of “Things I Shouldn’t Tell” at a used book store, there is some really funny stuff in it. I believe we cannot know where we are going until we know exactly how we got here. And contemporary writing’s generally are too biased to give an accurate picture, from both the Left and Right. Early books seem ruthlessly realistic in describing the temper of the age, once you get past the polite formality of the language.

    Correlating early authors the cultural and historical analysis of both older paleo-conservative thinkers (in particular Buchanan) and astute left wing historians and cultural thinkers (who are good at deconstructing an era’s bullshit, though not so good at deconstructing their own), gives me a good set of data upon which I can intellect, spot patterns, notice trends, and sift out the truth from a sea of bullshit.

    Every side always tells some side of the truth, and forgets another, in particular when it comes to sex and the family, some tend to idealize the past over the present, others idealize the present over the past.

    There is immense social embarrassment among certain classes in popping out tiny bastards. But even this has slipped. While for the most part a quick abortion is the socially acceptable and practical thing, I’ve known a couple of upper class girls who have had kids out of wedlock. They were artsy gals though. Not the normal debutante types. There’s different social rules for artist types in society.

    It is true that the general social expectations of Upper class WASP women previously had been immense public decency decorum and great discretion, within their circles, in conducting affairs. Notice the emphasis on public decency. I contend that in the last couple of generations, among the Anglo-American establishment, this has seriously eroded to the point of ludicrousness. At least in some circles. As for middle class women, perhaps this is regional, depending on whether one is in the South, or on the coasts, or the Midwest, but the suburbs.
    Corruptio optimi pessima est,

    4. lest anyone call me out on using the term bastard, please lets stop abusing the English language. Technically I’m might be a bit of a bastard myself since I popped out much, much, earlier than I should have and according to my grandma (who never lets me live this down due to my resemblance to my father) was probably conceived quite a bit before my parents actual formal marriage.. which didn’t even have a legal certificate at first . They just had a religious ceremony and more or less lived common law for a year or two. If someone calls me a bastard, well I just have to accept it, now don’t I.
    Lets be honest, illegitimacy and bastardry are real, and like it or not there are immense social ramifications to our sexual choices. All of them. We can speak in polite terms, or not, but either way you can only spin the truth so far.. We can be more responsible for our choices once we start calling our own B.S. what it is..

    5. Ok, in general on facial criticism of pics – a general note for the ladies unrelated to Lady Rain, just general meditations – you can keep your cute looks for quite some time if you cut out excessive drinking and smoking. It hardens the face, starts to show around 30-31, though warning signs pop up earlier. In particular if you are white and fair skinned. Natural blonds and redheads worse of all (doesn’t seem to hurt Italian and Spaniard girls as badly)

    I know cute merlot quaffing girls who tend to start getting small crows feet around their eyes at 25. Scary. Beer’s worse than wine too, really hot Pabst Blue Ribbon swilling girls become scary. One girl I knew, when I first met her I was attracted to her hot, eh, MILF like looks. So I thought, “hot woman in her late 30s, artistic tattoos she might be interesting”. Wow, found out she was 26, a consummate party girl (pills, blow, and lots of weed) with two kids. And a hard drinker. Her “bad bitch lifestyle” put a decade on her face. She was beautiful, but looked like a beautiful woman pushing 40, and not 30.

    Gals, either stick to occasional hard liquor cocktails and drop the wine and beer, or consign yourself to early aging. Oh, and pills will age you too, speed is death to the face, Coke puts on a few years too, and you can tell a habitual pothead a mile away. She will have a sort of slightly and subtle dopy look. Think I exaggerate for comic effect? No, you have been warned. As for cigarettes, this is common sense, and dip (yes, girls around here do dip snuff) it’s just not good. Just… stop.. it..

    Or don’t, see if I care. But you can’t get one’s youthful looks back once they are lost though…

    That’s all.

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  422. on May 23, 2009 at 7:22 pm doug1

    Lady Rain

    In the same way men who pretend that they are battling some huge war that women are allegedly secretly waging for years

    It’s called feminism, Anglosphere style, and one of the least well kept secrets in history.

    Although the downsides of feminism, and there are many, have been so taboo to go after in a comprehensive or emotional way in the media and in educational institutions, that in some ways your right, it has been a secretly waged war against men, or most men.

    Secretly right in front of our noses because we’re not allowed to talk about it, otherwise we’ll be “misogynists” and “sexists” who don’t believe in the “complete equality” of women.

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  423. on May 23, 2009 at 7:24 pm Bhetti

    Rum: Maybe I won’t try and analyse my sexuality. I’ll just point all those who ask to Doug. He even makes rationality look sexy (give her a thorough smackdown, baby, yeah).

    Damn, I could just obsessively read him and fantasise all day.

    Lady Rain: You may now conclude I have mental problems due to the Doug worship. Feel free. I agree. Can’t separate out the cause or the effect, though.

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  424. on May 23, 2009 at 7:32 pm scenebythebrook

    I find this post from that Cracked thread pretty devastating in regards to the followers of Roissy:

    “Seriously, though, two observations.

    One, what really strikes me about fans of someone like this are how similar it is to weight loss for women. Every time some new gimmick comes out for weight loss (new pills, vibrating elastic belts, eat-all-you-want diets, liposuction, new magic herbs) a ton of desperate women will jump on it and just totally believe in it immediately (see testimonials they always get). Even though everyone knows and always has known about diet and exercise, it’s just too much work. It’s so tempting to go, “I tried so hard to stick to the diet and exercise program and I kept blaming myself for not having the willpower, but really all I had to do was eat orange colored foods once a day!” It’s such a relief.

    Same with guys, I think most of them know that women care in varying degrees about your looks, status, intelligence, social skills, and how much you appear to care about them, but trying to address some of those areas that are really lacking (mostly social skills, the other stuff limits your choices but bad social skills hurts you across the board) is really hard, and an uphill battle, and when someone comes along and gives them a shortcut, they jump on it as desperately as a woman might jump on tapeworm pills or a liquid diet.

    In both cases, I think the goal is something that people are really desperate for because those areas are a big part of how society defines what they’re worth – women by their looks, men by their success with women – and tempting easy shortcuts tend to short-circuit people’s brains and make them stupid.

    Secondly, girls that are drawn to abusive men are usually girls who have been abused as children or have been in abusive relationships so pretty much in every “success” case here, they are taking an abused woman and making her problems even worse. That is great. That is like, “Hey, I found a good method for pushing drugs on people, it doesn’t take as much persuading as you think. I just go up to people with drugs in my hand and say, hey, I got some drugs. This seems to work really great on people coming out of NA meetings for some reason.””

    The comparison of the followers of “game” with fat chicks who are looking for a miracle solution is interesting. The author of the post acknowledges that social skills/intelligence/looks matter– and the betas who follow this blog know this but are perhaps still holding out for a miracle that Roissy will offer.

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  425. on May 23, 2009 at 7:39 pm PA

    Persian?! Arabian! My heritage is super-secret and that includes the fin-containing elements.

    Bhetti, are you from Egypt? I once had a school teacher who looked like you. She was from Cairo. Zamalek to be specific.

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  426. on May 23, 2009 at 7:42 pm Obsidian

    Doug,
    I’m wondering what you think of Hip Hop/Rap Music, in light of your earlier comments. Its taken a bit of a beating from certain quarters, including those who consider themselves feminists, for being “misogynist”. While I don’t deny it can be harsh and crude and times-and I’m a diehard Hip Hop fan-I have always contended that Hip Hop has shone a light on aspects of female behavior that, until now, wasn’t to be spoken of in polite company. As rappers like to say, very often, they’re just keepin’ it real.

    Holla back

    O

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  427. on May 23, 2009 at 7:45 pm Maximum Penetration

    BEST JOB IN THE WORLD.

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  428. on May 23, 2009 at 7:45 pm kim

    Kamal,

    “Ok, in general on facial criticism of pics – a general note for the ladies unrelated to Lady Rain, just general meditations – you can keep your cute looks for quite some time if you cut out excessive drinking and smoking”

    Don’t forget tanning!

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  429. on May 23, 2009 at 7:46 pm Comment_Whatever

    Lady Rain needs someone who is a sufficiently REAL tough guy that she doesn’t confuse herself with all the crap she thinks constitutes ‘tough guy’. Tattoos. I mean really.

    Unfortunately, she is such a confused woman that she has precious little chance of doing this herself.

    And someone of such obvious tough-guyness will be a magnet to other women of much higher quality. Hell, even the fakes abuse higher-quality women all the time(like Hope and her first husband). So I’m not sure if Lady Rain even rates a guy good at FAKING being a tough-guy either. The fake probably has better options than her.

    Oh well.

    gig wrote:

    for americans only. how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?

    Her face, minus crazy eyes and harlot blush, is an 7 or even 8. Her body is completely lacking in curves, but seems to have good skin and little excess fat. Sadly, in America could be a 7??? A high 6?

    I wouldn’t be enthralled. Crazy eyes and all the bad attitudes you can collect from a life-time in America.

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  430. on May 23, 2009 at 7:48 pm Bhetti

    PA: Not my pic 😦 But Egypt has been a recurring guess. What did she teach, and how come you know her in such detail?

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  431. on May 23, 2009 at 7:50 pm PA

    She was an art teacher. How come I know her in such detial? hmm, surely you read of my proclivities for desiring gorgeous adult women 25-35 when I was 12-15…

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  432. on May 23, 2009 at 7:52 pm David on ipod

    Re: novaseeker

    Are we refering to meaningless sex as duty or pity sex? I am obviously a group iconoclast, but having sex with somebody who doesn’t really want you isn’t ideal. For a normal guy who find vaginal sex alluring, wouldn’t her lack of interest be a turn off that invalidates the entire purpose? At the point it nearly seems like masturbation but with a warm body. At least a prostitute pretends to care.

    The problem with dating men of your own caliber is that a lot of women don’t like those men, and admittedly I don’t blame them. If your choice is mainstream and less screwed up David Alexander with stable and decent job, while he could theoretically be good father material, he will drive you crazy and you may end up cheating on him and ruining your marriage. Thus for girls like non-date who want to get married and have kids, her only choice is to go to college not to find a man but to attempt to gain white collar middle class work so she can live comfortably alone. She doesn’t want to be a single mom.

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  433. on May 23, 2009 at 7:53 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “1) The Cute Friendlies: regulars who have been here for a while and accept the premises of gender-copmplementarity and Game; they are for the most part worthwhile as commenters; their level of reasoning skill, flirtation and sexiness of demeanor varies, but for the most part, they make this blog even more fun, since sausage blogs suck. Some in fact have very sophisticated, adult minds. Examples: Chic, OMW, Clio, Bhetti

    2) The Stylish Haters: they always have somethign to say, never anythign actually worth reading and pondering, but they say it with feminine charm; I’m cool with them. A little spice goes a long way. Example: Sara

    3) The Ugly Harridians: they write five-paragraph, shaming-language, arms-akimbo, snooty-toned comments that can be boiled down to one word: “waaaaah!” They are for the most part charmless feminists; I call them ugly because even though I don’t know what they look like, I sense a repellent unfeminine vibe in their writing. Examples: well, you fill it in.
    ”

    where me?

    Tupac, I know- sorry. I’ve been meaning to say something.

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  434. on May 23, 2009 at 7:54 pm Tupac Chopra

    Chic:

    Tupac “and that women only truly feel sexual desire towards sadistic alphas and badboys, then I’d have to say ‘yes'”

    Not true at least not for me.

    Yeah, but you admit that you don’t feel much sexual desire period — except to have some well-trained beta on his knees slurping at your Vaj with his tounge like some sort of personal lapdog.

    You want to be the one in control.

    You’ve also said you have a preference for Asian men, breaking with the tradition of black females usually preferring “harder” men.

    It’s clear you are fearful of the submissive aspect of female sexuality, and view Asian men as teddy bears to clutch against your breast in the loneliness of the night.

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  435. on May 23, 2009 at 7:56 pm scenebythebrook

    Headmaster got raped in that “cracked” thread. Those guys made me feel ashamed to read Roissy.

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  436. on May 23, 2009 at 7:56 pm PA

    If I was made to be 13-14 for a year one more time, I’d make it my mission to make love with a good looking 30 year old woman.

    I’d have been just at puberty. I was getting tall, had a squeaky puberty transition voice, and still had a boyish smooth skin. Skinny as hell. Would it have been a pleasant experience for any woman out there, or too freaky for every single one of them?

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  437. on May 23, 2009 at 7:58 pm BB

    The Rapist Checklist

    Some things to remember…

    1. You are a rapist if you get a girl drunk and have sex with her.

    2. You are a rapist if you find a drunk girl and have sex with her.

    3. You are a rapist if you get yourself drunk and have sex with her. Your drunkeness is no excuse.

    4. If you are BOTH drunk you may still be a rapist.

    5. If she’s alternating between puking her guts out and passing out in the bed then you’re a rapist.

    6. If she’s sleeping and you have sex with her you’re a rapist.

    7. If she’s unconscious and you have sex with her then you’re a rapist.

    8. If she’s taking sleeping pills and doesn’t wake up when you have sex with her then you’re a rapist.

    9. If she is incapacitated in any way and unable to say ‘Yes’ then you’re a rapist.

    10. If you drug her then you’re a rapist.

    11. If you find a drugged girl and have sex with her then you’re a rapist.

    12. If you don’t bother to ask her permission and she says neither ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ then you could be a rapist.

    13. You are a rapist if you ‘nag’ her for sex. Because you manage to ply an eventual ‘yes’ from a weary victim doesn’t mean it’s not rape. You are a rapist.

    14. You are a rapist if you try to circumvent her “No” by talking her into it. She’s not playing hard to get, and, even if she IS it’s not YOUR responsibility to ‘get’ her. You’re still a rapist.

    15. You are a rapist if you manipulate her into sex when she doesn’t otherwise want it. If you say, “If you loved me you’d do X” then you’re a rapist. If you say, “All the other kids are doing it!” then you’re a rapist.

    16. If you threaten her, or act in a way that SHE thinks you’re threatening her then you’re a rapist. If you puff up and get loud and frustrated while trying to ‘talk’ her into sex then you’re a rapist.

    17. You are a rapist if you don’t immediately get your hands off of her when she says ‘no’. You are a rapist if you take your hands off of her and then put them back ON her after 10 minutes and she eventually ‘gives in’ to this tactic.

    18. You are a rapist if you won’t let her sleep peacefully without waking her every 15 minutes asking her for sex. Sleep depravation is a form of torture and YOU are a rapist.

    19. If you’re necking with her and you’re naked and you’ve already gone down on her and she says ‘No’ to sex with you and you have sex with her anyway then you’re a rapist.

    20. If you’re engaged in intercourse and she says ‘No’ at ANY point and you don’t immediately stop then you’re a rapist.

    21. If she said “Yes” to sex with a condom and that condom breaks and you proceed anyway then you’re a rapist.

    22. If she picked you up at a bar looking for sex and then decides that she doesn’t WANT sex and you continue then you’re a rapist.

    23. If she changes her mind at ANY point for ANY reason and you don’t immediately back off or you try to talk her into it and get sex anyway then you’re a rapist.

    24. If you don’t hit her and she says ‘No’ you’re still a rapist.

    25. If you don’t have a knife or a gun or a garrote and she says ‘No’ then you’re still a rapist.

    26. If you’re a friend of hers you can still be a rapist.

    27. If you had sex with her the night before but she doesn’t want morning sex and you pressure her for it anyway then you’re a rapist.

    28. If you’re her husband you can still be a rapist.

    29. If it’s your wedding night and she doesn’t WANT to have sex with you and you force or coerce her anyway then you’re a rapist.

    30. If she’s had sex with you hundreds of times before but doesn’t want to on the 101st time then you’re a rapist.

    31. If you penetrate her anally, orally or digitally against her will then YOU my friend, are ALSO a rapist.

    32. Women do not owe you sex.

    33. Buying her dinner does not entitle you to sex.

    34. Paying her mortgage does not entitle you to sex.

    35. Buying her clothing does not entitle you to sex.

    36. Buying her lingerie does not entitle you to sex. It also doesn’t mean that she has any obligation to wear that lingerie around you.

    37. Spending any amount of money on her does not, ever, entitle you to sex.

    38. Seeing her legs or cleavage does not entitle you to sex.

    39. If she ‘turns you on’ you’re not entitled to sex.

    40. If she has fucked every man in a 10 square mile radius and she doesn’t want to fuck you and you have sex with her anyway, then you’re a rapist.

    41. Her clothing is not a reason for you to rape her. Her LACK of clothing is no reason to rape her. If she’s wearing a thong and pasties you STILL have no right to rape her.

    42. If she’s a prostitute and she says “No” then you’re a rapist.

    43. If she’s a stripper and she says “No” then you’re a rapist. Likewise, if she’s a stripper and she’s been rubbing against your dick all night long and you follow her to her car and have sex with her against her will then you are ALSO a rapist.

    44. If you watch a woman being raped without calling the authorities then you’re as bad as a rapist and you may also be a rapist yourself.

    45. If you don’t fight rape then you accept rape.

    46. If you don’t believe a woman when she says she was raped then you’re encouraging rape.

    47. If you choose to remain friends with a man who raped a woman you are encouraging rape.

    48. If you confess to the authorities that you raped a woman it does not exonerate you. You are not suddenly a model of good behavior.

    49. If you ‘only’ raped one woman, you’re STILL a rapist.

    50. You cannot tell who is a rapist by the way they look. Rapists are your friends, your brothers, your fathers and you won’t know it.

    51. Do not get frustrated with a woman if she doesn’t trust you. SHE already knows that rapists don’t wear signs on their foreheads. Something you think is innocuous SHE may find terrifying.

    Hmmm…I think that about covers it. Any questions? Good.

    Oh, and feel free to add new ones in the comments and I’ll edit the post and put them up here for reference.

    ~BB

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  438. on May 23, 2009 at 7:58 pm Tupac Chopra

    Kamal:

    Hmm.. perhaps to a degree, in the case of flagrant, flagrant, debauchery, but with due respect I’m not fully convinced. If anything I think that a certain degree of sexual decadence filtered down to the middle classes from the upper classes.

    I think Kubrick did a good job of capturing the Secret Society-esque nature of the upper classes in Eyes Wide Shut.

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  439. on May 23, 2009 at 7:59 pm Rum

    Bythebook

    If one starts with the insight that being a nice guy = being a fat chick there is not going to be much disagreement here. The thing is, society never put much effort into telling women that being fat was a virtue or that guys prefer fat girls. Women seeking a trimming-cure are not also faced with re-programming their beliefs. They know being fat sucks; they just want to lose the lardflesh.
    Guys, on the other hand, must deal with the effects of having been systematically lied to about females since they were infants.
    Speaking for myself, I have been on both sides of this. At one time I was a naive beta sort, at another I have been pretty much alpha. But the culture as a whole was no help at all.

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  440. on May 23, 2009 at 8:01 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “If I was made to be 13-14 for a year one more time, I’d make it my mission to make love with a good looking 30 year old woman.”

    I’m not 30 but I’d hit it.

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  441. on May 23, 2009 at 8:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””””Bhetti
    Rum: I was being positive, due to the deluge of negativity. Nowhere did I imply anything about her coherence or comment on the quality of the substance of what she said, except indirectly in the rest of the comment I made.
    “”””
    Still, it’s nice to think cluelessness about sexuality remains or, at least, that that’s the image you have of me that predisposes you to interpret this from what I say.

    Gunny: Not at you, but what you said:

    eat, sleep, shit, and fuck

    What the fuck else are we supposed to do. Repeditive tasks for 8 hours a day watch tv and eat sleep shit fuck.

    I’m glad we agree.””””””””””””

    lol but that was for rain jesus now I got doug and bhetti cockblocking.

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  442. on May 23, 2009 at 8:04 pm doug1

    Rum–

    Lady Rain responds to this accusation, by saying, more or less, ” You guys should treat us nice and with deep respect, etc.. And for my hot self to fuck, the more thuggish and the more tatoos the better.” Without a trace of irony.
    Let us face facts. Guys are dealing here with entities with NO awareness of their own sexuality. Beats me why one should read anything they write. It is like talking to a robot.

    Very well said.

    (What’s all this about her being so hot? I’d say high 6.)

    Bhetti is equally clueless regarding sexuality. She sees the “passion” in Rain Lady but entirely misses the deep, total incoherence.

    I’d say she did miss the “deep total incoherence” of Lady Rain in the sharp way you saw it, but then no one has expressed that as well as you did in what I quoted above, including me. However she certainly didn’t miss that Lady Rain is wrong to think that the way Roissy can be used in a more balanced way than he himself sometimes sounds, and that many men here do that. That was in fact her main point.

    I think Bhetti was pretty confused about what really most sexually attracts her (with attendant dangers) when she first came here, and that that’s why she did come and stay here (though she’s never exactly said that to me.) I think (know) she now believes (knows) that game works and what it is, more or less, and that she’s attracted to alphas by far the most, and that nice follower or needy guy traits can be and have been highly annoying to her, though that was previously confusing. She was supposed to like smart nice guys, full stop.

    I think she thinks that being a kinda nice guy is great in an alpha (balance), so long as he’s got a playfully but also sometimes biting dominant edge as well, but it’s just not attractive to her in betas which before was puzzling. I think she knows she’s not attracted to the thug kind of alpha (or hasn’t been so far) and doesn’t want to be. Most alphas aren’t real thugs, or total and complete assholes either.

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  443. on May 23, 2009 at 8:05 pm Arpagus

    Most of that rapist checklist is already a legal reality so it really isn’t funny at all.

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  444. on May 23, 2009 at 8:05 pm Bhetti

    PA: Oh, dear… ! Was there frightfully bad Arabic/Egyptian music involved? [I’m glad this one has subtitles to point out the ridiculousness of the lyrics, especially in contrast to the video.]

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  445. on May 23, 2009 at 8:06 pm Chic Noir

    to lighten the mood:
    alpha or beta lady in the blk coat.
    something tells me they would make HS proud.

    blonde in blk coat is like a better looking version of cigstash? btw I will warn any of you guys to harping to blonde/blk coat about her looking going down hill since she is over 40. It seems that MPT is needed?

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  446. on May 23, 2009 at 8:07 pm PA

    Cool FemX! I was 13 some 25 years ago, but dawm, I wonder if there were more women like you out there back then.

    I was red-hot-crazy for adult women then. Fellow girl-classmates were great for lovely first feelings of romance, first kisses, slow dancing, but not for that fire.

    … but I’d be standing over a hot mom of a friend leaning down in her sundress (no bra), or doing my paper route collection and a woman in panties and t-shirt opens the door… made me insane.

    Naturally, there woudl be not much I’d have offered a grown 20-35 y.o. woman at my age then. It would be all about me seeing their intoxicating breasts, seeing her slip off her panties, and then, unimaginable things she’d gently ease me into.

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  447. on May 23, 2009 at 8:10 pm kim

    Rum,

    I pretty much agree with what you’re saying, although it seems like within the past couple years there has been more acceptance by (American) society of fat people. I guess I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say anyone is calling it a virtue, but it’s becoming more and more accepted for sure. “Real women have curves” type of things, etc etc.

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  448. on May 23, 2009 at 8:10 pm PA

    Was there frightfully bad Arabic/Egyptian music involved?

    I still remember for some reason once when I walked down a street in Zamalek, a street vendor’s radio was playing an Arabic pop song, and I recognized the few words in that language I know:

    (female singer) “Anna bahebbak ya Mustafa,” which means “I love you Mustafa.” This was a long time ago. You know that song?

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  449. on May 23, 2009 at 8:11 pm Bhetti

    Feminist: That comment on 13-14 PA was outright hilarious/creepy.

    Gunny: Whaaaat? It’s impossible to block you, surely?

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  450. on May 23, 2009 at 8:13 pm whiskey

    Silver —

    First, I DID early on in the gazillion comment thread note that statistics are not a guarantee and her kid is not destined to turn out rotten, but noted that yeah, she DOES have enhanced risks. Risk factors about as large as smoking is to cancer. It’s there. She may not like hearing it from me or Ann Coulter, nevertheless it’s the truth.

    Staying thin by smoking (something lots of women do) causes cancer, mostly, the few folks like George Burns notwithstanding. Single motherhood is the single biggest predictor for poverty, drug abuse, sexual abuse, criminal behavior, even controlling for INCOME. I.E. a working class boy from a nuclear family has a better chance at life (and avoiding those bad outcomes) than a middle class boy born to a single mother like Lady Rain. You don’t get a free lunch.

    Yeah you’re beta. You put women on a pedestal. That’s as bad as calling them “whores” or “sluts.” You have a bad case of White Knight syndrome. Lady Rain’s choices, writ large, cause social collapse by killing the nuclear family. And they are writ large. There is no escaping it.

    You also care about what women think. That’s also beta. I see plenty of feminized, emo type hipster guys out of “Look at This F—ing Hipster” pull chicks, but they also get dumped when a genuine bad boy comes around. Which inevitably, lots do. That might or might not describe you, I don’t know (or care.) Nevertheless playing White Knight is beta-ville.

    Me, I’d rather call it like I see it, straight no chaser, and flirt with the cute gals at my local coffee hangout.

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  451. on May 23, 2009 at 8:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””””Obsidian
    Doug,
    I’m wondering what you think of Hip Hop/Rap Music, in light of your earlier comments. Its taken a bit of a beating from certain quarters, including those who consider themselves feminists, for being “misogynist”. While I don’t deny it can be harsh and crude and times-and I’m a diehard Hip Hop fan-I have always contended that Hip Hop has shone a light on aspects of female behavior that, until now, wasn’t to be spoken of in polite company. As rappers like to say, very often, they’re just keepin’ it real.

    Holla back

    O”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Rollin around in a car with hip hop blarring point blank is what causes mutherfuckers to get shot and killed.

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  452. on May 23, 2009 at 8:14 pm novaseeker

    For a normal guy who find vaginal sex alluring, wouldn’t her lack of interest be a turn off that invalidates the entire purpose? At the point it nearly seems like masturbation but with a warm body. At least a prostitute pretends to care.

    The problem with dating men of your own caliber is that a lot of women don’t like those men, and admittedly I don’t blame them. I

    This is where you overstate the case.

    Women, if confined by monogamy and socioeconomic caste, will find men attractive. Women are hypergamous sure, but that hypergamy acts itself out inside the constraints that they find themselves in. So — if women are fairly constrained by class, geography and monogamy, they are still picky, but they are not disappointed with their hypergamous pick which was the best they could get given the constraints. That is how hypergamy works — it optimizes within a given system of constraints.

    It’s true that when you remove the variables, hypergamy floats up. But that isn’t an inevitability, and it doesn’t mean that women are incapable of finding men like you attractive. It just means we live in an age where the limits of hypergamy have been expanded for women, and to the detriment of men, such that women who would have loved and been sexually satisfied with certain men in prior ages are no longer so because their margins have been expanded.

    You see, Dave? It is malleable. It is like an accordian. We are now experiencing the female dystopia of an expanded accordian. That will swing back. Women will still be hypergamous, but the margins for individual women will shrink again. You misinterpret that to mean that women are settling. That is not true. All hypergamy means is that women will tend to optimize against whatever restraints they have to deal with — they will be happy with a choice that is hypergamous within the relevant constraints.

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  453. on May 23, 2009 at 8:17 pm Bhetti

    PA: Oh, yeah, it’s a classic. There’re tonnes of covers. Those decadent French again.

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  454. on May 23, 2009 at 8:18 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gunny:

    Rollin around in a car with hip hop blarring point blank is what causes mutherfuckers to get shot and killed.

    Cue Obsidian: TOO BLACK, TOO STRONG

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  455. on May 23, 2009 at 8:20 pm Tupac Chopra

    Nova:

    such that women who would have loved and been sexually satisfied with certain men in prior ages are no longer so because their margins have been expanded.

    …or rather, their…uh…margins have been stretched

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  456. on May 23, 2009 at 8:22 pm Chic Noir

    The oh so charming tupac but clio obseesed said Yeah, but you admit that you don’t feel much sexual desire period
    this is true. I may be on the low end for women or maybe it’s that I haven’t met the man who make me feel that way. Or maybe I’ve met him but didn’t bother to call him when he gave me his number.
    *shrugs shoulder*
    either way, I’m good 🙂

    then again, I’m kinda jealous of brown suga. 3-4 times at once, I could be so lucky one day. I think I need brown suga to mentor me.

    except to have some well-trained beta on his knees slurping at your Vaj with his tounge like some sort of personal lapdog.
    no, not a lapdog. If is willing to make me happy, then I can put in some effort to make him happy. you have no idea that some men really enjoy that act ??? Have you ever read racerx’s posts?

    You want to be the one in control.
    No neither of us are in control. Both of us are adults who have limits and we need to respect each other.

    You’ve also said you have a preference for Asian men, breaking with the tradition of black females usually preferring “harder” men.
    Well actually, I like Asian and dark skinned blk men. I posted that here many times. So it seems that I like extreams. From talking with other women, it seems that most of us like that smooth,elegant,good-looking, polished strong guy. Think of James bond, Cliton,Obama and 50’s movie actors. The tuff guy thug/punk isn’t it. It’s the man who is both nice but not a push over,elegant,comopolitian who can also defend you if need be who makes women gush from simply entering a room.

    It’s clear you are fearful of the submissive aspect of female sexuality, and view Asian men as teddy bears to clutch against your breast in the loneliness of the night.

    Well actually, I like Asian and dark skinned Blk men. I’ve posted about my preference many times. So it seems that I like extremes.

    ex. reggie bush is not an Asian man.

    From talking with other women, it seems that most of us like that smooth, elegant, good-looking, polished strong guy. Think of James bond, Clinton, Obama and 50’s movie actors. Contrary to popular thought here, the tuff guy thug/punk isn’t it. It’s the man who is both nice but not a push over*, elegant, cosmopolitan who can also defend you if need be who makes women gush from simply entering a room.
    * I’ve been saying form day one not to take crap from anyone. If they don’t know how to act, dump them. When you don’t have children with a person you can dump and will and not look back. Why worry about their feelings if they don’t give a damn about your own?

    It’s clear you are fearful of the submissive aspect of female sexuality, and view Asian men as teddy bears to clutch against your breast in the loneliness of the night. LOL oh tupac if you say so. I fear men who are into crazy freeky stuff that’s who I fear.

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  457. on May 23, 2009 at 8:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not in real life bhetti but i am trying to get used to not being able to punch people in the face for living.

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  458. on May 23, 2009 at 8:24 pm Chic Noir

    whiskey Me, I’d rather call it like I see it, straight no chaser, and flirt with the cute gals at my local coffee hangout.

    *steaming with jealousy*

    😦

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  459. on May 23, 2009 at 8:30 pm whiskey

    Lady Rain —

    You have a preference for guys who are by your own admission, aggressive and with lots of tattoos. That’s basically Jessie James the motorcycle guy. So yeah, you like the bad boys. Most women do, their bad boys just vary from class and socio-economic status.

    I’ll note that MY response, calling it like it is, and NOT calling you names, generates the most heat. Truth hurts. [I’ve never said you were abandoned or get welfare/child support. Nor do I believe your a “slut” or other derogatory names.]

    It doesn’t matter where the money comes from, as long as women have their own, they’ll pursue bad boys. Notably, the “nice guy” who does things for you (a rather exploitative relationship) is not your kind of guy. You rely on your parents, instead of a husband, for child care, a path typical of single mothers. Nevertheless, your independent income that is middle class enables you to choose bad boys over nice guys.

    THAT is the death of the nuclear family. It’s also not sustainable past your generation. Writ large, your behavior quickly generates that competition and attitudes towards women seen in the Black Ghetto or White British Underclass. While you have your own middle class income, behaviorally you are no different from White British or Black Ghetto Welfare enrollees. Preference for bad boys, disdain of “nice” marriagable men, preference for single motherhood. It’s all there. Yeah it hurts. Because it’s true. Even though you earn your own income, your choices and life are indistinguishable otherwise from a Black Ghetto welfare mother.

    What you object to is the truth. You, and the millions of women just like you remove any incentive of investment in women by most men. If you’re out pursuing the bad boys (and you are by your own admission), then most men will be bad boys or David Alexander. Neither are likely to make you happy (or most women for that matter) in the long run, and around age 38, with a fifteen year old son, even the quality of the bad boys you attract are going to be worse.

    You’re clearly irritated that I see no need to flatter you, respond to your looks, be “nice” to you, or edit what I think or say to you. As a beautiful woman (I guess, I couldn’t be bothered to check out your pics so I’ll take others words for it) you’re no doubt used to male deference and think it’s your due. Let me assure you that the second your looks fade pretty much all men will talk to you as I do. I don’t call you names, but I do call it like I see it. And your own behavior writ large guarantees this male reaction when your looks go as they will. Only widespread male investment in women creates deference and so on past a woman’s looks. And that system, is gone.

    As for your son, he’s likely to internalize his views of women and girls based on the most important one in his life: you. If he sees you being manipulated by bad boys, he’s likely to react by choosing to manipulate women himself as a bad boy. Or he can turn out to be a momma’s boy, unable to form lasting male friendships and finding failure with women.

    YOU are the most important person in your son’s life. His views on life, happiness, his ability to be with a woman, is going to be modeled on how you and men interact. How else could it be? Guaranteed, the more men in your life, the more he’s likely to become a bad boy Roissy type looking to play women for affection-sex, given that he’ll see it in you. THE most important person in his life. Heck, he’s probably already internalized that to a great degree already if I read between the lines (that you have no lack of tattooed, younger, bad boys around the house).

    Kids crave stability and the two-parent family. It’s quite likely (see Juan William’s Fathers Day editorial in the 2006 Wall Street Journal, available free online) that he’ll feel a “throw-away” kid because he lacks a father. This has generally been the case for sons of single mothers. A few lucky lottery winners, possessed of great good looks and fortitude, such as Freddie Prinze Jr (who’s father committed suicide shortly before his birth) become successful sons of single mothers.

    I certainly hope your son is that situated. But his best interest is in a stable, predictable environment where he sees modeled in the most important person in his life (you) a loving, supportive relationship. There is no substitute. Most guys are not as good looking or lucky or determined (he slept in his car for about a year in Hollywood, flat dead broke) as Freddie Prinze Jr. Fewer still end up married to Sarah Michelle Gellar.

    I wish you and your son the best, sincerely. But I call it like I see it, because I don’t care about how you look. Shrug.

    Thanks for posting here. Again, I do mean that sincerely.

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  460. on May 23, 2009 at 8:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””on May 23, 2009 at 8:18 pm Tupac Chopra
    Gunny:

    Rollin around in a car with hip hop blarring point blank is what causes mutherfuckers to get shot and killed.

    Cue Obsidian: TOO BLACK, TOO STRONG”””””””””

    Metallica makes me want to mosh

    Rap makes me want to kill

    indescriminate killing what rap is all about. Although it does have some truths about money and life.

    Money and the power money and the power I don’t give a fuck I got the money and the power

    Murder murder murder mo murder mo murder

    pull the gloc back with a calm like motion pop pop two shots to the head

    Bitches ain’t shit but hos and tricks

    Lifes a bitch and then you die thats why we get high cause you never know when your gonna go.

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  461. on May 23, 2009 at 8:33 pm Chic Noir

    Kamal and you can tell a habitual pothead a mile away
    Yes those dark lips scream junkie.

    Doba But as Roissy has noted, what’s difficult for them is getting a guy to stick around. That’s their challenge. And this is what separates the high quality women from the losers.
    If it’s not good and she hasn’t bonded to you, she won’t want you to stick around.

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  462. on May 23, 2009 at 8:37 pm Tupac Chopra

    Chic:

    no, not a lapdog. If is willing to make me happy, then I can put in some effort to make him happy. you have no idea that some men really enjoy that act ???

    This would be true were it not for the fact that you refuse to slob the knob.

    Any man who regularly performs oral sex without being reciprocated in turn, is a validation-seeking beta as far as I’m concerned.

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  463. on May 23, 2009 at 8:38 pm Chic Noir

    Every woman’s worst nighmare. I had something similar happen to me when I was a teenager.

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  464. on May 23, 2009 at 8:39 pm Chic Noir

    No tupac, some men really do like the act. Everything isn’t about being alpha or beta.

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  465. on May 23, 2009 at 8:40 pm PA

    The most enigmatic lines in rock music:

    I never wanted 2 be your weekend lover
    I only wanted 2 be some kind of friend
    Baby I could never steal u from another
    It’s such a shame our friendship had 2 end
    – “Purple Rain”

    What is Prince talking about?

    He’s not gay, so it’s not some wierd George Michael’esque “father figure” thing. What the hell is “some kind of a friend?”

    If T/Ricky Raw is lurking, perhaps he can shed some light on this, being that he’s written about Prince in the past.

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  466. on May 23, 2009 at 8:41 pm Tupac Chopra

    Chic – god what a little bitch that guy was.

    He didn’t deserve to score.

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  467. on May 23, 2009 at 8:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    Actually really adulthood sucks. What it comes down too. Being a high school kid owns. Responsibility to eat and bla bla sucks. pleace to live car gas bills. For what. God I need to move past this dumbass stage.

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  468. on May 23, 2009 at 8:42 pm Tupac Chopra

    Everything isn’t about being alpha or beta.

    Right, it’s the ONLY thing. 😉

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  469. on May 23, 2009 at 8:49 pm Kamal S.

    kim@
    “Don’t forget tanning!”
    Oh.. my.. god.. yes.

    You just hit one of my major pet peeves.

    I have no idea, none whatsoever, why white women persist in tanning. In particular if you are genetically predisposed to extreme paleness.
    Nordic and Celtic women, in particular natural light blonds and redheads, just look really funny looking tan.

    Southern European women and northern European brunettes, tend to look better tan.
    Most Ashkenazi Jewish girls look better tanned, except blond ones. They look funny. Sephardic jewish girls tend to already be tan anyway.

    Basically whatever your complexion or tone, chances are altering it makes you look a bit like shite. Like South Asian desi girls who take skin lightning cream (African women do this stuff to) – bleaching your skin makes it look like shite. End of story

    gig@
    “for americans only. how would you rate Lady Rain in the 1-10 scale?”

    Hmm… I’d say 8, maybe 8.5.
    Web pics are difficult though. She’s not very curvy at all, and though I really enjoy curves, I’m increasingly finding a strange fondness for angular small breasted women nowadays.. they have a real charm, in particular lithe athletic ones.

    It’s subjective though, one man’s 8 is another man’s six, is even another man’s 9.

    feministx@
    Where you?
    Why, a class of your own.
    Naturally.

    Tupac@
    Black women with harder men, yes and no. One thing I’ve noticed around me is an increasing number of older black girls dating much softer white guys. I have my theories…
    I think there is a real social engineering of black masculinity, nowadays, just as there is one of white masculinity.
    The generation under mine seems to have forgotten the smooth dapper well dressed pimp archetype, and there seems to be a devolution, in some circles, into a sort of monosylabic white t-shirt wearing knucklehead.

    My theory is that some gals are just sick of thugs, even though they sexually selected them by rewarding thuggish behavior with their pussies. The smart ones find high earning and sensitive white guys. Happens in my family.

    As for Kubrick… the man knew far too much. Really. All of his movies are real eye openers. I have a friend, she frequents upscale members only sex clubs. I personally don’t see the appeal, but from the way they describe the scenes there, eyes wide shut sounds pretty accurate.

    Whiskey@
    “I DID early on in the gazillion comment thread note that statistics are not a guarantee and her kid is not destined to turn out rotten, but noted that yeah, she DOES have enhanced risks.

    Bingo, its a matter of stats. Most people do not understand statistics, in a population of several million people a small order of magnitude equals many, many, human lives. If she’s a good mother, and in spite of all the flack she’s getting here, it sounds as if she at least puts a lot of effort into it, and is very conscious both about how her personality weighs on him, and who his other male influences are, this affects things.

    Some gals throw out statements like we don’t live in 1960 – irrelevant – look at the numbers.
    In general today, here, now being a child of a single parent means a significantly higher probability of developing some real social and personal pathological behaviors. Like it or not.

    A responsible parent just faces that fact, understands it, and tries to raise her child without illusions in as responsible of a manner as possible.

    Also got to adjust for class and education, the fact that she’s college educated skews things a bit more. If she was a high school drop out diner waitress her son would face, eh, a more intense future. That she is employed, reasonably educated, and

    Our society is the sum total of our choices, Lady Rain, myself, you, Roissy, all of us. Some choices have bad consequences on society at large whether we like to acknowledge them or not. Responsible adults learn, understand, and move on … some people don’t.

    This is the test of an adult.

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  470. on May 23, 2009 at 8:50 pm doug1

    PA

    Bhetti: PA: Not my pic 😦

    The unhappy is fronting. Bhetti looks hotter, with a thinner face.

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  471. on May 23, 2009 at 8:51 pm Chic Noir

    Tupac Chopra
    Chic – god what a little bitch that guy was.

    He didn’t deserve to score.

    the guy in the video?

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  472. on May 23, 2009 at 8:53 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “a feminazi men-hater southern-indian-brahmin and HBD-believer”

    I have to believe in HBD in order to believe men are the root of all evil. Logical consistency.

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  473. on May 23, 2009 at 8:57 pm Chic Noir

    kamal I think there is a real social engineering of black masculinity, nowadays, just as there is one of white masculinity.
    ex. ray J and rev run’s oldest son.

    very true kamal. The reason we see so many blk boys who grew up sheltered in the suburbs with two parent family attempting to be “hard”.

    I’m increasingly finding a strange fondness for angular small breasted women nowadays.. they have a real charm, in particular lithe athletic ones.

    AH, PA has a new friend to counter DA’s assertion that a woman with ‘A’ cups is a boy with chest mumps.

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  474. on May 23, 2009 at 8:59 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    PA,

    In the real world, I do arts and entertainment writing for a living, so let me dissect Princes’s words for you.

    “The most enigmatic lines in rock music:

    I never wanted 2 be your weekend lover
    I only wanted 2 be some kind of friend
    Baby I could never steal u from another
    It’s such a shame our friendship had 2 end
    – “Purple Rain” ”

    I don’t think they’re that enigmatic. What he means is he wanted to be her boyfriend. He uses the phrase “some kind of friend” instead of “boyfriend” because the word “boyfriend” in that context would have sounded trite and old-fashioned. This was 1980s R&B, and “boyfriend” would have connotes irony or nostalgia, which he certainly didn’t want to bring to his most forward-looking work to date (he went retro with his next album, by the way).

    So in the song he’s pissed — and hurt — because he got to have sex with her, but could never be “the one.” Since he could only be Number 2, he ended everything — meaning the friendship. His take was: “Don’t think you can fuck me and get back with your boyfriend and I’ll still be your friend.”

    Remember that in music, it’s as important to make things sound good and to make them rhyme as to give them meaning. I know of lyricists who alter brilliant phrases simply because they don’t “sing” right.

    Also, you should read about Prince’s background (I recommend the old UK book “A Pop Life”). He’s just over 5 feet tall and probably deal with a lot of rejection, esp. with black women, who we know value brawn far above white women. When he wrote “”Purple Rain” in late 1983 or early 1984, my guess is his pre-fame rejections probably still were stuck in his mind.

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  475. on May 23, 2009 at 9:01 pm novaseeker

    I wish you and your son the best, sincerely. But I call it like I see it, because I don’t care about how you look. Shrug.

    Thanks for posting here. Again, I do mean that sincerely.

    @Whiskey —

    You called it again.

    It’s all so obvious. Women preferring single motherhood. Preferring obvious bad boys, admitting to sexuality as the main means of attraction, relegating most men to learning game or alienation, warcraft and beer.

    The reality is that most women do not want to admit that. But it is what they have wrought.

    If a society provides no means for either (1) providing mates for the lower status men or (2) eliminating them somehow .. there is a template for revolution.

    I expect feminists will opt for mass castrations or imprisonment or simply mass abortion of male babies to deal with this issue, evil thugs that they are.

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  476. on May 23, 2009 at 9:02 pm Chic Noir

    DOBA He’s just over 5 feet tall and probably deal with a lot of rejection, esp. with black women, who we know value brawn far above white women.

    DOBA, Prince is well loved and I mean well loved by Black women. I don’t get his appeal and I’ve been cursed out for doubting his appeal in front of blk women. For some reason he can get away with all of that over the top feminine stuff that no other blk male entertainer can(no days) . They even love his taco meat.

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  477. on May 23, 2009 at 9:02 pm PA

    counter DA’s assertion that a woman with ‘A’ cups is a boy with chest mumps.

    Flat chested women are those rare wonders, erotic and intoxicating. A-cup breasts are tender little jewels, B-cups are sweet lovely playthings, C-cups get a bit big, but sometimes, big is fun.

    The smaller the breast, the more nerve endings on it and the nipple, the more of a wild erogeneous zone the lovely things are. Touching a small breasted woman is like discovering her hiddden secrets. It is like touching an intrument that makes wonderful music in skilled hands, and unlike a musical instrument, a small breasted woman squirms and sighs with delight as her delicious jewels are suckled and caressed.

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  478. on May 23, 2009 at 9:06 pm PA

    DOBA – thx for explication of Purple Rain, which along with Prince’s backstory, makes sense.

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  479. on May 23, 2009 at 9:09 pm Bhetti

    Doug: When I wrote that, the unhappy face was more for the irrational dishonesty guilt about a deception. But thank you for correcting the impression I was giving; I didn’t mean to make a comparison between real me and that pic.

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  480. on May 23, 2009 at 9:18 pm Rum

    BB (Also known as The Fool).

    So, if a guy is drunk and a more sober woman puts her hand down his pants that is 1st degree sexual assault? I mean, how could an impaired person, no matter what he or she says or does, give valid consent to sex?
    I suppose if both parties are even a little impaired they should each get 30 year sentences and afterwards be registered as sex offenders as mutual-assaulters.
    Fool.

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  481. on May 23, 2009 at 9:24 pm Chic Noir

    rum, by the law you may be able to have said woman arrested(battery?). Now if you can live down the laughing, joking and teasing from your friends for having done so…

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  482. on May 23, 2009 at 9:29 pm xsplat

    whiskey

    1. The nuclear family is dead.
    2. For a man, being “nice” is one-way ticket to loserdom with the ladies, being an A-hole is the way to go.
    3. Women are not interested in long-term relationships, so for men, the way to go is to not just be an A-hole, but spread your seed. That’s the only way a guy can have kids.
    4. Even a middle class salary if there is no future expectation of greater wealth will cause women to have kids with A-holes, so increased income for women regardless of source = women’s expressed and innate preference for bad boys.

    I like this. I agree with the trend. But – I see that women also have innate drives to pair bond with the type of man more associated with security.

    Women are not homogenous. They don’t orgasm the same, and they don’t lust the same. There is as wide a variation of personality types in the female sex as there is in the male. Some girls have low libidos and strong nesting instincts. Some have moderate libidos, and dynastic ambitions. Some are in their head and geeky, and partner based on the compatibility of personality.

    True, during a woman’s ovulation, she’ll be more attracted to Alpha-type faces. But that means it’s also hard wired into women to be more attracted to beta-type faces the rest of the time. A preferance for beta characteristics is also innate to what comprises woman.

    Freeing women from economic choices when making mate and sex partner choices leads to more of the Alpha types getting more of the pussy. But it’s a matter of degree, not of wholesale choice of a preference. Some girls, some of the time, will always follow that other part of their biological preferences, and partner with the guy who on the spectrum between alpha and omega, is over on the rightish hand side, but not so dangerous.

    I’ve met many women who said I was not a provider type, and so they’d never consider coupling with me. I’m too dangerous. Not serious. Some women aren’t all about the sex – they want the stability.

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  483. on May 23, 2009 at 9:30 pm xsplat

    whiskey

    1. The nuclear family is dead.
    2. For a man, being “nice” is one-way ticket to loserdom with the ladies, being an A-hole is the way to go.
    3. Women are not interested in long-term relationships, so for men, the way to go is to not just be an A-hole, but spread your seed. That’s the only way a guy can have kids.
    4. Even a middle class salary if there is no future expectation of greater wealth will cause women to have kids with A-holes, so increased income for women regardless of source = women’s expressed and innate preference for bad boys.

    I like this. I agree with the trend. But – I see that women also have innate drives to pair bond with the type of man more associated with security.

    Women are not homogenous. They don’t orgasm the same, and they don’t lust the same. There is as wide a variation of personality types in the female sex as there is in the male. Some girls have low libidos and strong nesting instincts. Some have moderate libidos, and dynastic ambitions. Some are in their head and geeky, and partner based on the compatibility of personality.

    True, during a woman’s ovulation, she’ll be more attracted to Alpha-type faces. But that means it’s also hard wired into women to be more attracted to beta-type faces the rest of the time. A preferance for beta characteristics is also innate to what comprises woman.

    Freeing women from economic choices when making mate and sex partner choices leads to more of the Alpha types getting more of the pussy. But it’s a matter of degree, not of wholesale choice of a preference. Some girls, some of the time, will always follow that other part of their biological preferences, and partner with the guy who on the spectrum between alpha and o m e g a, is over on the rightish hand side, but not so dangerous.

    I’ve met many women who said I was not a provider type, and so they’d never consider coupling with me. I’m too dangerous. Not serious. Some women aren’t all about the sex – they want the stability.

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  484. on May 23, 2009 at 9:31 pm joel

    So, what has this discussion thread concluded?

    1. “Exploiting” a person’s weaknesses is a good thing in many situations.

    2. Lady Rain is a poster girl for the Worthless Modern Woman. That is, worthless to a beta. She is prime material for an alpha. If anybody on this board still harbors beta fantasies about women, Lady Rain should help to eliminate that problem. She is so perfect, I would have thought Roissy was making her up if I hadn’t visited her webpage. I don’t think even Roissy is so devious he would invent some fictitious online persona to score points.

    3. Avoid single mothers for LTR’s.

    Let the games proceed.

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  485. on May 23, 2009 at 9:33 pm Chic Noir

    xsplat Some are in their head and geeky, and partner based on the compatibility of personality

    well I’ll be. something tells me that I’m right here. At least my sizing up whiskey as a potential mate says so.

    True, during a woman’s ovulation, she’ll be more attracted to Alpha-type faces. But that means it’s also hard wired into women to be more attracted to beta-type faces the rest of the time. A preferance for beta characteristics is also innate to what comprises woman
    agreed

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  486. on May 23, 2009 at 9:36 pm Rum

    Chic

    But you get my point, I think.
    No decent minded guy/person approves of forced sex. But the “impairment” concept cuts both ways.
    And how often does sex happen between two people on a Saturaday night without some kind of drunkeness? Who would ever get to fuck if both of you could be arrested afterwards if you were not cold-sober for the act?
    I feel like moving to Thailand sometimes.

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  487. on May 23, 2009 at 9:36 pm kim

    I think the most common number used is that 3% of adult men have been raped. I’m sure the actual number is higher, but it just goes unreported.

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  488. on May 23, 2009 at 9:41 pm PA

    I was once acquainted with a guy who did 4 years in a medium security prison. White guy, early 20s, long rap sheet of petty shit, went to prison for aggrevated assault, posession, and car theft.

    He said that he’s never seen the infamous “prison rape,” though he concedes that’s not necessarily true for all prisons. He said that tehrhe was some sodimizing going on, but it was among “the queens” as he called them — guys who were into it and acted/dressed like trannies.

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  489. on May 23, 2009 at 9:42 pm xsplat

    And one dynamic missing in the Whiskey evaluation is the elephant in the room.

    Many women love to play the domestic love slave.

    It’s as if they were born for the role.

    This breakdown of good-boy/bad-boy, alpha/beta is simplistic. Not only is there a spectrum, but society is game-theory. There will always be competing strategies in use. The sociopath relies on most people being socialized. The artisan class relies on the police class. We are socially specialized, and that shows up in our genes – some of us are born naturals at certain aspects of what society needs.

    And it isn’t only the “Alpha” that can tame a woman and let her be happy as a domestic servant.

    I know it’s less common in the west, but it still happens – many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.

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  490. on May 23, 2009 at 9:43 pm PA

    Some excellent comments above by Xsplat.

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  491. on May 23, 2009 at 9:43 pm Chic Noir

    rum But you get my point, I think.
    yes i do.
    No decent minded guy/person approves of forced sex. But the “impairment” concept cuts both ways
    sad to say but they do exist.

    And how often does sex happen between two people on a Saturaday night without some kind of drunkeness?
    well it becomes a sort of gray rape when one person is drunk and the other is sober. If both people are stone cold drunk, you can’t really call it because neither will remember much about the experience, at least initially. It’s another reason I’ve never been drunk and disaprove of women who get drunk in public.

    @kim, your right don’t report it. some don’t bother with rape kits.

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  492. on May 23, 2009 at 9:49 pm Chic Noir

    xsplat many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.

    Surprisingly I won’t argue with this because I think it’s true. However, not all women are like this and that’s what the feminist movement’s major achievement was…. giving women choice.

    *exists before the cannons come out*

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  493. on May 23, 2009 at 9:57 pm kim

    “I know it’s less common in the west, but it still happens – many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.”

    My friend, Ashley, is like this. I think a lot of it has to do with the role her mother played in their family, which was that of the typical homemaker. She never worked and was always a stay at home mom and loved it, so it makes sense that Ashley would want to re-create a similar family dynamic.

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  494. on May 23, 2009 at 10:00 pm Kamal S.

    PA@

    Flat chested women are those rare wonders, erotic and intoxicating. A-cup breasts are tender little jewels, B-cups are sweet lovely playthings, C-cups get a bit big, but sometimes, big is fun.

    The smaller the breast, the more nerve endings on it and the nipple, the more of a wild erogenous zone the lovely things are. Touching a small breasted woman is like discovering her hiddden secrets. It is like touching an intrument that makes wonderful music in skilled hands, and unlike a musical instrument, a small breasted woman squirms and sighs with delight as her delicious jewels are suckled and caressed.”

    I’m usually a D cup guy. Soft, feminine, and curvy. Indescribable to feel as long as they are not implants. Implants suck.

    However both of my last ex’s were B cups. Perfectly shaped little apples. I’m hooked. The slightest touch and her back arched, I could breathe on her and she would squirm in delight. Very sensitive skin..

    At this point my opinion is, large breasts are wonderful, small breasts are wonderful in a different way. Soft girls with generous hourglass curves are heavenly, lithe angular small breasted girls are also exquisite, but in a different way. Less languorous, but more.. energetic.

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  495. on May 23, 2009 at 10:00 pm Bhetti

    xsplat: Paraphrase of a conversation on the phone to my father in the Emirates.

    Dad:’I want to get married to get someone to take care of me. My health is getting worse. I need someone 24/7′

    Me: ‘How will you do that, your health isn’t the best–‘

    ‘You’re grown now, a medical student, I can talk to you about these things. It’s not about sex.’

    ‘I would’ve guessed that from all the meds, anyway. I mean, HOW are you going to get one?’

    ‘I’ll just buy a wife.’

    ‘Really, you can buy one? Isn’t a nurse cheaper than a wife?’

    ‘What’re you talking about? No they’re not.’

    ‘Isn’t it risky… what if she’s manipulative, sneaky… ?’

    ‘They’re not all like your mother. If there’s something wrong with her, I’ll divorce her.’

    ‘Don’t you have to pay her after the divorce or something?’

    ‘What’re you talking about? Divorce is easy. Anyway, I’ve
    decided, I’m getting married. A marriage of convenience to a nice 50 year old (he’s late 50s). Go tell your mother, make it sound like it was your idea.’

    It’s a completely different ballgame.

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  496. on May 23, 2009 at 10:07 pm xsplat

    Chic Noir

    xsplat
    many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.

    Surprisingly I won’t argue with this because I think it’s true. However, not all women are like this and that’s what the feminist movement’s major achievement was…. giving women choice.

    That many women love to stay at home means that not all do.

    Feminism started out giving freedom, then wound up enforcing freedom.

    Did you ever watch All In the Family? Edith was often pressured to become a good feminist, and not act like a domestic servant. Freedom of choice, as long as you first agree with our value system – is what feminism became.

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  497. on May 23, 2009 at 10:09 pm David Alexander

    It’s true that when you remove the variables, hypergamy floats up.

    As the one who is obsessed with finding out the “why” as to why a woman would be attracted to me, I view the world with choice to be the true arbiter of a woman’s real interest in a man. If she’s interested in you because her choices are limited to a small set of beta males by society’s social forces, then it’s really an artificial choice, and meaningless.

    they will be happy with a choice that is hypergamous within the relevant constraints

    I suspect that both sexes will be unhappy with restricted choices because of our knowledge of our sexuality. Beta males will be upset that they’re not achieving maximum sexual output from their wives, while women with cringe at their beta husbands because they know what alphas can offer.

    You have a bad case of White Knight syndrome.

    It’s innate in some of us, and being the White Knight tends to give an boost to one’s ego and emotional health.

    many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.

    “Get a job and leave me alone.”

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  498. on May 23, 2009 at 10:13 pm xsplat

    Performance Anxiety:

    xsplat
    many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.

    “Get a job and leave me alone.”

    You obviously are not management material. It does take an excess of energy and attention to handle managing subordinates.

    And a house-wife does have a job. A very respectable job.

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  499. on May 23, 2009 at 10:16 pm aoefe

    @DeFault

    “Two things:
    If I shared with you that De Fault was a Spanish name would you be willing to share your country of origin?
    [I had an Irish girlfriend once (not Aoefe) – hence the curiosity]”

    I may be a lot of things but De Fool ain’t one of em. Spanish name my ass. Good try though.

    And would I Neg you or anyone else? Never! (bats Irish blue eyes rapidly whilst looking down, slight blush flushing her round cheeks).

    General Comment

    Today I learned that staying out of the sun, rarely drinking and never smoking contributed to my white skin staying as lineless as it is…cool! This is very useful to the majority of readers (men) how? Or maybe it was a teachable moment for us chicks…then….thanks.

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  500. on May 23, 2009 at 10:19 pm David Alexander

    And a house-wife does have a job. A very respectable job.

    But it’s unpaid and sucks money from me, and creates more stress for me.

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  501. on May 23, 2009 at 10:28 pm xsplat

    kim

    xsplat “I know it’s less common in the west, but it still happens – many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.”

    My friend, Ashley, is like this. I think a lot of it has to do with the role her mother played in their family,

    Kim, since my argument was contrary to Whiskey’s position of impending cultural changes due to cultural and economic forces, my argument could not rest on culture alone. My argument is that some women are born and built to want to play domestic servant to a provider mate. As in, thousands or hundreds of thousands of years of evolution hard wired their brains to be happy when playing that role.

    For some women, playing domestic servant is as natural as the instinct to have babies.

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  502. on May 23, 2009 at 10:31 pm xsplat

    Performance Anxiety:

    But it’s unpaid and sucks money from me, and creates more stress for me.

    I don’t care about you, DA. I’m not interested in your storylines. I don’t care what you want or pretend to want. You are worse than boring, you are a pest.

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  503. on May 23, 2009 at 10:35 pm Bhetti

    DA:
    ‘I have cooked dinner for you.’

    ‘WITH MY MONEY? MY DINNER? WHATS THAT TONE? ARE YOU GUILTTRIPPING ME ABOUT NOT MAKING IT? I AM FREAKING OUT…! THE (MONEY=)TIME YOU SAVED ME DOING IT IS INSIGNIFICANT… ! AAAAH! I NEED THIS MONEY FOR IMPORTANT THINGS! GET A JOB, YOU WORTHLESS NON-SEXUAL OBJECT! I DON’T NEED THIS, I REALLY DON’T NEED THIS. I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN DEAL WITH YOU AND YOUR SECRET OR NOT SO SECRET HATE OF ME, YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF JUNK. I HAVE GIGS & GIGS OF BETTER THINGS TO DO ON MY PC. WHY DIDN’T WE JUST STAY FRIENDS? I AM GOING TO MOAN ABOUT THIS NOT JUST TO YOU BUT TO THE WORLD. CONSTANTLY. STUBBORNLY. EVEN THOUGH I LIKE IT THIS WAY.’

    Thank God DA, you weren’t born a woman.

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  504. on May 23, 2009 at 10:38 pm PA

    Bhetti, that’s petty good. You read this comedy play yet:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/theater-of-the-beta-the-david-alexander-sexbot-saga/

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  505. on May 23, 2009 at 10:45 pm Welmer

    Lady Rain

    Gunslinger–

    Also, Roissy is not at ALL my type physically speaking no matter WHAT his personality. I have no problem admitting that I’m shallow and if a guy isn’t really attractive then I don’t care how nice/smooth/charming he is.

    Roissy isn’t ugly, but I am a “more tattoos the better” type so you can see why Roissy wouldn’t fit my bill. Also I don’t like blondes typically.

    Haha. Lady Rain would be all over a blond surfer boy. I know her type. She’d probably even threaten other women to get a piece of a golden boy, then she’d use him and brag about it all over town.

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  506. on May 23, 2009 at 10:48 pm Bhetti

    PA: Haa, yes, I have. I forgot about its existence so good to be reminded of the [hopefully not hurtful] hilarity.

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  507. on May 23, 2009 at 10:50 pm PA

    Roissy posted his photo here once (with a blurred face) when he met one of the PUA authors. He’s not blonde but brown-haired.

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  508. on May 23, 2009 at 10:51 pm Welmer

    #

    #
    on May 23, 2009 at 10:16 pm aoefe

    I may be a lot of things but De Fool ain’t one of em. Spanish name my ass. Good try though.

    And would I Neg you or anyone else? Never! (bats Irish blue eyes rapidly whilst looking down, slight blush flushing her round cheeks).

    Another fallen woman. Taken the apple from the serpent, have we Aoefe (Eve)?

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  509. on May 23, 2009 at 10:52 pm Tarl

    I think you missed the point of my post. It’s not that I think he’s tricking WOMEN I think he’s tricking MEN. He is teaching otherwise good guys to disregard all things humans have evolved FROM like relying on the “id” and functioning only to eat, sleep, shit, and fuck.

    So this “evolution” started in what, 1973? I just love the way total acceptance of feminist dogma is represented as “progress” from the state of grunting cavemanhood.

    Do you really think before the triumph of feminism and the divorce-industrial complex, men did nothing but eat, sleep, shit, and fuck? (They took a little time out to build a civilization – which now they are promptly losing.)

    I like to think that most men are MORE than just primal desire based cavemen. He is teaching men who may already have self esteem issues to hate themselves even more and retract back to the days where people barely functioned above the intellect of animals.

    So this is the feminist view of what it means when a man actually acts like a man instead of a submissive beta? Hmmmkay.

    In fact the self-esteem issues many men have today are precisely the result of the massive man-hating propaganda emanating from liberal propaganda organs in the media and academia. Learning to act like a man will CURE the self-hatred, not exacerbate it.

    In the same way men who pretend that they are battling some huge war that women are allegedly secretly waging for years are also “playing the victim” and thus showing that they are easily fooled by women and are afraid of them as well (essentially handing the power right back to the woman).

    There is nothing “secret” about the war that has been waged against American manhood for decades now. How can it be secret when the message “man bad, woman good” is blared from every TV, magazine, and classroom?

    One of the most insidious weapons in this war is the assertion that if men so much as claim such a war is in progress, then they are pussies, and are playing the victim, and are being fooled by women. The reason women keep winning is because they have managed to convince the men they shouldn’t fight or even acknowledge that there is a war on.

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  510. on May 23, 2009 at 10:54 pm aoefe

    @Welmer

    Ya, uh huh, that is what I was totally going for. Ya got me.

    Sarcasm def: Sarcasm is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing. …

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  511. on May 23, 2009 at 11:11 pm aoefe

    I did a google image search for Roissy and I found an image which linked him to his blog, no blur face on that pic. I’ll admit it I was curious. I don’t have a ‘look’ type per se so I won’t comment on whether he’s hot or not, I’d have to meet him to determine that.

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  512. on May 23, 2009 at 11:18 pm Maximum Penetration

    Here is a PIE chart of how to destroy women.

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  513. on May 23, 2009 at 11:24 pm David Alexander

    Re: Bhetti

    The problem is that I have with stay at home mothers is that they can end up creating burdens on their husbands. The husband is alienated from his wife because he sees her a freeloader who doesn’t really do anything useful, and it creates more stress for him because her lack of employment makes her economically less viable, which leaves him as the only breadwinner, and if he loses his job, it puts the family in a worse position economically, especially in a country with meager unemployment and insurance. I’d rather have a working wife who isn’t isolated from the “real world” and can help with finances and build a comfortable lifestyle with financial security.

    And, yes, I need the money to pay for my photography equipment, train trips, and car for roadgeeking. And the porn. Especially the porn. 🙂

    BTW, I should note that I grew up with a stay at home mother, which is less common in the black community.

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  514. on May 23, 2009 at 11:29 pm Thursday

    Women are not homogenous.

    This is a very important point that is often forgotten here.

    Women can be _very_ different. In temprement, in mate preferences, in moral character. I’ve known (attractive) women who have propositioned me within 5 minutes of introducing themselves and I’ve known (attractive) women in their late 20s who hadn’t even kissed a guy.

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  515. on May 23, 2009 at 11:53 pm Tood

    If there was ever a person who voluntarily and successfully managed to become what could be called a ‘professional loser’, David Alexander is it.

    I mean, people are putting in vast energy to try and help him even on this anonymous discussion thread. Yet, he refuses to take their advice, and seems content with what most men would call an unfulfilled existence.

    Maybe he can brand himself and become a cult hero of some sort. Like an adult Gary Coleman. Or like the loveable Forrest Gump. With a dramatic increase in confidence and ambition, maybe he could be a Steve Urkel.

    In some ways, he is a combination of George Constanza and Cosmo Kramer.

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  516. on May 24, 2009 at 12:14 am Tarl

    The husband is alienated from his wife because he sees her a freeloader who doesn’t really do anything useful, and it creates more stress for him because her lack of employment makes her economically less viable, which leaves him as the only breadwinner, and if he loses his job, it puts the family in a worse position economically, especially in a country with meager unemployment and insurance. I’d rather have a working wife who isn’t isolated from the “real world” and can help with finances and build a comfortable lifestyle with financial security.

    This assumes that a working wife – and having to find quality day care for the kids – creates no stress, which is not true. As someone with children I can tell you that a SAHM is very, very “useful” indeed – the market price for what she does, if you had to pay for it out of pocket, would be huge.

    As for the dual income, it is great insurance if you can support the family on either income, but most two income families aren’t in that situation. Normally you have the major breadwinner, and the secondary income adds some quality of life and might even be crucial to keeping the family’s head above water financially, but by no means could the family subsist on the secondary income alone. In short, if he loses his job they’re hosed anyway.

    Really the calculation is whether the wife’s income is high enough that she’s not just working to pay for day care.

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  517. on May 24, 2009 at 12:23 am Eurosabra

    Can we have Biting Beaver’s (“BB”) checklist above snarkily edited, since (before she made her blog “Den of the Biting Beaver” invite-only password-access) she was talking ON THE BLOG about pre-emptively killing/castrating her adolescent son for fear of his becoming a rapist (by her expansive definition)? That would get you reported to Child Protective Services in any jurisdiction in the US, and apparently it got her enough grief that she took the blog underground, along with the vicissitudes of her abortion story. Admittedly, it was a fascinating window into a severely damaged psyche, but even so…

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  518. on May 24, 2009 at 12:30 am whiskey

    I’m not sure evo-bio explanations match the reality of both evolutionary history and women’s innate preferences.

    First, women during most of pre-history were hunter-gatherers. They were not cared for, rather equal partners with sex divisions (the life of a female hunter-gatherer is spent in toil preparing food and clothing and tools). The remaining 11,000 years or so of agricultural or nomadic herding repeated this pattern for all but the harems of the powerful.

    Secondly, culture provides a flattening effect. It tends to be a hammer for women, pushing most into the middle of behavior culture dictates as the norm. Increasingly, that’s the kind of behavior found in urban centers that Roissy chronicles.

    Throughout most of history, women faced real, and severe consequences for choosing badly in men. Now? Not so much. That in and of itself is a radical change.

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  519. on May 24, 2009 at 12:36 am Phenomenon

    The comparison of the followers of “game” with fat chicks who are looking for a miracle solution is interesting. The author of the post acknowledges that social skills/intelligence/looks matter– and the betas who follow this blog know this but are perhaps still holding out for a miracle that Roissy will offer.

    what miracle ?

    – to be successful with woman you HAVE TO have social skills,
    learning the “game” helps you build them.
    – sorry to burst your bubble but in some cases, looks don’t
    matter.
    – intelligence means absolutely nothing when being social,
    i’ve known intelligent guys who sucked with woman.

    most people who hear about “da game” just picture some guy
    with a few pick up lines & routines, when it’s more than that.
    or better yet just know “da game” from watch the pickup artist on vh1.
    alot of sites dealing with woman don’t advocate using pick up lines & routines.
    i know alot of guys who are successful not only with woman but with their lives in general from the advice given to them from sites like this.

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  520. on May 24, 2009 at 12:45 am Comment_Whatever

    scenebythebrook:


    One, what really strikes me about fans of someone like this are how similar it is to weight loss for women. Every time some new gimmick comes out for weight loss (new pills, vibrating elastic belts, eat-all-you-want diets, liposuction, new magic herbs) a ton of desperate women will jump on it and just totally believe in it immediately (see testimonials they always get). Even though everyone knows and always has known about diet and exercise, it’s just too much work. It’s so tempting to go, “I tried so hard to stick to the diet and exercise program and I kept blaming myself for not having the willpower, but really all I had to do was eat orange colored foods once a day!” It’s such a relief.

    Same with guys, I think most of them know that women care in varying degrees about your looks, status, intelligence, social skills, and how much you appear to care about them, but trying to address some of those areas that are really lacking (mostly social skills, the other stuff limits your choices but bad social skills hurts you across the board) is really hard, and an uphill battle, and when someone comes along and gives them a shortcut, they jump on it as desperately as a woman might jump on tapeworm pills or a liquid diet.

    In both cases, I think the goal is something that people are really desperate for because those areas are a big part of how society defines what they’re worth – women by their looks, men by their success with women – and tempting easy shortcuts tend to short-circuit people’s brains and make them stupid.

    Well, scenebythebrook, a lot of people do uncritically accept things, often without thinking about them at all.

    Learning ‘Indicators-of-Interest’, ‘Indicators-of-Disinterest’, Kino, and other simple things is fairly easy. And they are just ‘tricks’.

    And you know what? They work. Being able to tell when a woman is getting into you as compared to getting ready to leave HELPS. If you think about it, then you’ll probably realize that you have often been talking to a guy and he just won’t get that you don’t want him there. He has zero chance, you are throwing out Indicators-of-Disinterest consciously and unconscious like crazy, and he just won’t leave. Well, Game teaches men to recognize those, stop wasting their time, and go talk to another woman.

    How can you object to that?

    Other, more complicated techniques allow men to avoid unproductive honest actions and instead take productive honest actions.

    Takeaway for example says that if a woman does something you don’t like, don’t call her on it. Simply ignore her, or give an IOD. Arguing is normally unproductive when trying to talk to people you want to date.

    Is a Takeaway wrong?

    Hardly. It’s honest. She did something the guy didn’t like, so now he ignored her/IOD her. If she values his attention, then she becomes upset and tries to get his attention back.

    Is that a lie? HOW? It’s actually a completely honest exchange. What’s a lie?

    That he didn’t like what she did? The IOD was honest.
    That she values his attention? Well, it doesn’t even work if she doesn’t value his attention. She says ‘Goodbye’.
    So then she honestly decides she wants his attention back and does something to get it.

    It is, however, an HONEST way for a man to express his displeasure that ACTUALLY WORKS where as just directly complaining is most likely going to fail with most women. Scenebythebrook, you’ve probably had some men who just can’t stop arguing about everything, doesn’t it annoy you?

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  521. on May 24, 2009 at 12:47 am Eurosabra

    Admittedly UCLA is a very difficult place for instructors because the Univ. regulations on dating preclude dating a student for whom a professor “may have or should reasonably expect to have instructional, evaluative, or supervisory responsibility.” Meaning that ANY dating relationship with ANY enrolled undergrad at the same institution is a punishable offense, since functionally any student could enroll in your course with a 5-digit telephone code.

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  522. on May 24, 2009 at 1:06 am maurice

    @eurosabra/BB – I took BB’s list to be mostly a joke – a parody of feminist ideas of rape (after the first 8 items or so, and especially toward the end). no?

    @aeofe-welcome.

    @bhetti – i wrote persian GULF, not persian. i thought you were from the emirates, right on the gulf. in arabic maybe it’s called the arabian gulf but in english it’s called the persian gulf. and good luck to your dad with all that. never the twain shall meet …? except in the next generation (yourself).

    @obs (2:37 PM) – good analysis, but what about the long pre-modern tradition of arranged marriages? still practiced in India and other traditional cultures, and very much a part of European and all other societies. Arranged marriages have the effect of perpetuating clans, social classes, villages, expanding family-based power, whatever – all social “goods” unrelated to attraction or courtship. a lot of this still happens today in a less formal way among upper-class families. perhaps the modernity/social equality of women that eliminated those arrangements allowed attraction (once called “promiscuous breeding” by adherents of the older ways) to come to the fore and create the confusion from which we are trying to create a more natural order.

    @Kamal S (3:37 PM) – i’m a man – don’t know how you could have been confused by that. maurice is a handle, obviously, but it’s a male name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice. i don’t expect everyone to read every post – i certainly don’t have time – but even if you have only read a few of mine don’t see how that could have been an issue. also – great stuff lately. you make a lot of sense.

    @chic – thanks for your lack of confusion on the above – and i hope your elevator experience ended as well. what a wuss-ass attacker – but, of course, all’s well that ends well. also, why do black women like prince? why do any women like prince? i always had him pegged for a fegele. there was never any second thought in my mind about it, in fact. all the purple clothes should have been a big clue. he doesn’t even give off an androgenous/dangerous vibe, unlike other feminine rock stars like David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Stephen Tyler, etc.

    @xsplat, thursday – true dat about women having a wide variety of behaviors and desires/preferences. duh – same as men. that’s why i sometimes get frustrated with some of the commentary here, even the obviously great and on-point stuff, because it can paint things with too broad a brush. and it’s why i continue to think that asshole game primarily attracts a certain *kind* of woman, and doesn’t work on all. that’s my experience.

    @DA – everyone beats up on you, and i understand why (even though i don’t really understand why you stick around here after all this time). but i do think your posts are valuable – you present an unashamed, dyed-in-the-wool beta (o m e g a ? ) point of view which is helpful to see. it’s like the devil on the shoulder of the alpha, with roissy as the angel on the other shoulder. (he has the horns, though.)

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  523. on May 24, 2009 at 1:20 am Arpagus

    If both people are stone cold drunk, you can’t really call it because neither will remember much about the experience, at least initially. It’s another reason I’ve never been drunk and disaprove of women who get drunk in public.

    Naive Chic Noir has apparaently never heard of feminism. Here is how it works: Women are incapable of consenting BECAUSE they are drunk. Men are still fully responsible for their actions and hence rapists DESPITE being drunk if the woman regrets sex. That double standard is the legal reality.

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  524. on May 24, 2009 at 1:21 am Arpagus

    If both people are stone cold drunk, you can’t really call it because neither will remember much about the experience, at least initially. It’s another reason I’ve never been drunk and disaprove of women who get drunk in public.

    Naive Chic Noir has apparently never heard of feminism. Here is how it works: Women are incapable of consenting BECAUSE they are drunk. Men are still fully responsible for their actions and hence rapists DESPITE being drunk if the woman regrets sex. That double standard is the legal reality.

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  525. on May 24, 2009 at 1:22 am Eurosabra

    @maurice

    Um, no, Biting Beaver is a radical feminist and she’s dead serious, and virtually all of that list is already law in more liberal states of the US, and the UK and certain Australian states have rape statutes which cover both participants’ intoxication, meaning that in theory two severely drunk people are raping *each other*.

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  526. on May 24, 2009 at 1:24 am Tupac Chopra

    xsplat:

    Women are not homogenous. They don’t orgasm the same, and they don’t lust the same. There is as wide a variation of personality types in the female sex as there is in the male. Some girls have low libidos and strong nesting instincts. Some have moderate libidos, and dynastic ambitions. Some are in their head and geeky, and partner based on the compatibility of personality.

    Xsplat, I have to say this is one the wisest things I’ve heard you say. I agree with Thursday that it’s important to remind ourselves of what you’ve written since the discussion here can sometimes seem a bit monolithic.

    The caveat, of course, is that all too often the women who DO fall under the category most discussed on this blog are the ones most men here are chasing: young, hot, and horny.

    Sadly, the brainy ones don’t usually have the looks to engender more than a quizzical second look from men.

    Which is why I wish Clio had a daughter I could date.

    We need more *genuinely* attractive, feminine, yet sensible women. The human race would be looking a whole lot different in the future since it is women’s preferences that determine male mating strategies, what with women being the gatekeepers to the eggs and all.

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  527. on May 24, 2009 at 1:25 am Tupac Chopra

    Tood (on DA):

    In some ways, he is a combination of George Constanza and Cosmo Kramer.

    You forgot to add Woody Allen.

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  528. on May 24, 2009 at 1:36 am xsplat

    why i continue to think that asshole game primarily attracts a certain *kind* of woman, and doesn’t work on all. that’s my experience.

    I’d think that the principles of “asshole” game could be applied universally, with modifications for all factors. But maybe that’s not what you meant, as the principles of asshole game are just game – mere flirting.

    On the other hand I may never know all possible female personality styles, as I gravitate to my favorites. I like the sex kittens best. The high sex drive fuck bunnies, who wail loudly in the bedroom, and squirm quietly in public.

    Women interested in a status mate to impress her parents and pay for a new car every 5 years never made my dick hard. I don’t know or want to know how to game a woman with that prime directive.

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  529. on May 24, 2009 at 1:40 am Arpagus

    I was trying to quote Chic Noir in the first paragraph there and sorry for the double post.

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  530. on May 24, 2009 at 1:51 am maurice

    @xsplat – yeah. the principles are basic but the application as outlined by roissy (and you, i suppose) is not for everyone. what guy doesn’t like the sex kittens? i don’t think they all go for assholes, but it does seem that way a disproportionate amount of the time. i suspect this differs across cultures, i.e. SE asia (indo/phl/thai) vs U.S.

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  531. on May 24, 2009 at 2:07 am Jack

    “I have no idea what you look like and it doesn’t matter because I would never ever date a man who talks the way you do in general. It would be embarrassing at both family functions and in public.”

    Lady Rain, I agree with this. You would never ever date a man who talks like me. That’s because I doubt you ever date men who’ve even completed 10th grade. But I could be wrong. I’m sure the alcoholic, heavily-tattooed assholes you fuck for sport are REAL classy.

    “You have no idea what my IQ is…. you have no idea what the IQ of any of the men on here are. Yet you immediately say my IQ is lower than everyone on here.”

    Your IQ is probably fairly high. But you don’t have much class or perspective. Hence the picking tattooed assholes and having a kid out of wedlock.

    “Also you can only assume my “looks are deteriorating” because you have no idea what I looked like 2 years ago, 5 years ago, etc.”

    This is not a politically correct board. Women peak lookswise at 21-25. You are on the downward trend. At about 33 you’ll be unfuckable.

    “Also why should I be ashamed that I’m attracted to men who are…. errr… attractive? Way to make no point at all. Do you honestly believe OTHER women like you for your great personality? No. Guess what the ball rolls both ways. Men like an attractive woman. Women like an attractive man. Welcome to earth, sir.”

    Wow, you’re stupid. See, I’ll explain this slowly. Men are looks-oriented. Women use many characteristics to judge men. If they mainly use looks, they are SHALLOW, and this is looked down upon because women are the sexual gatekeepers and caregivers, and therefore, if they have any self-respect, or in your case, respect for their child, they judge a man based on character traits first. Shallowness is one thing in a teenage girl, it’s quite another in a 28 year old single mom. The fact that you actively seek out men with negative character traits to be around you and your son, based solely on their looks, is unfortunately not shocking. But it’s good for us to hear – women like you are why feminism has ruined the family structure and has harmed our society greatly. 40 years ago you would have been married to a good middle class man, with 2 kids who would be raised right in a good family. Now you’re a single mother of a kid with alcoholic asshole genes, and that kid sees your lack of concern for yourself or him, and he internalizes it. He will grow up to likely hate and distrust women. And it will be your fault.

    “a guy like you would become my little bitch in less than 5 minutes because you speak before you think.”

    I live not far from you. Don’t make me ask you to put your money where your mouth is.

    I called you trash not because I have more education than you. There are educated trash and blue-collar not-trash. I am not elitist at all. I called you trash because you, at almost 30, choose men for completely shallow and selfish reasons, no matter what effect that has on you and your son. Unlike Whiskey, I don’t wish you well. I couldn’t care less what happens to you. You’re a typical worthless bad-boy seeker. I hope your son beats the odds and makes something of himself.

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  532. on May 24, 2009 at 2:08 am silver

    Whiskey,

    First, I DID early on in the gazillion comment thread note that statistics are not a guarantee and her kid is not destined to turn out rotten, but noted that yeah, she DOES have enhanced risks. Risk factors about as large as smoking is to cancer. It’s there. She may not like hearing it from me or Ann Coulter, nevertheless it’s the truth.

    The question, Whiskey dearest, is why you had to point out any of that at all.

    She didn’t ask your opinion of her life or prospects. She has a problem with “game” therefore you have to flatten her completely? That’s real damn “alpha” dude.

    Or maybe she didn’t even need to have a problem with game. Maybe being a woman was enough.

    Roissy, okay, his response I can understand. He’s got this image to he needs to maintain or maybe he just can’t be bothered justifying himself to yet another naysayer. What amuses me is his loyal minions jumping in to defend their leader’s honor (alphas to a man, you know).

    Yeah you’re beta. You put women on a pedestal. That’s as bad as calling them “whores” or “sluts.” You have a bad case of White Knight syndrome.

    You’re really reaching here, Whiskey. I’ve provided you with no evidence to justify drawing such a conclusion about me. You’re not calling it like you see it; you’re calling it like your own insecurities need it to be.

    I don’t need to prove a damn thing to you, but I like you, Whiskey, so I’ll let you in on something. Nobody that knows me would call me a beta. I’ve rejected more babes than most guys have screwed. Being polite is hardly the same thing as “caring” about what a woman says, ie tailoring your responses so as not to “offend” her. I’m rarely interested in a woman’s opinion on anything so I seldom find myself having “conversations” with them. For whatever reason (looks, body, style, attitude) most woman are interested in talking to me but I prefer to use that opportunity to build women up, leave them feeling good about themselves, than to tear them down. Sure, negging some uppity bitch who thinks herself too good is golden, but you seal the deal by building them back up. This walking around like an “asshole” all the time, every…second…of…the…day…every…word….from….your…mouth doesn’t seem particularly “alpha” to me — it screams dickwad asking for an elbow to the chin.

    <blockquote.Lady Rain’s choices, writ large, cause social collapse by killing the nuclear family. And they are writ large. There is no escaping it.

    You have a personal refuge, Whiskey. We all do. By being bigger than it. Not caving into it.

    As for sluts, I can’t think of a man worthy of the title who doesn’t consider a proudly loose woman low quality. Sluts with a brain in their heads know this and are a coy about their activities. As they should be.

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  533. on May 24, 2009 at 2:10 am aoefe

    @maurice

    Thanks.

    @chic

    Regarding the welcome to Hell comment (I think that was you, apology if I’ve got it wrong). Yes I’ve seen the heat here, not really felt it, but I’m sure my times a comin. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen is what my mama used to say (not really, but it sounded good).

    I like the differing views found here. I’m learning and as long as I am, I’ll stick around.

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  534. on May 24, 2009 at 2:18 am Jack

    “There is nothing “secret” about the war that has been waged against American manhood for decades now. How can it be secret when the message “man bad, woman good” is blared from every TV, magazine, and classroom?

    One of the most insidious weapons in this war is the assertion that if men so much as claim such a war is in progress, then they are pussies, and are playing the victim, and are being fooled by women. The reason women keep winning is because they have managed to convince the men they shouldn’t fight or even acknowledge that there is a war on.”

    Tarl, right on. It astounds me how pussified most men are. Even many men with nothing to lose (those who aren’t getting any anyway). Women shame men into accepting the feminist destruction by calling them “not a man” or telling them “you can’t get laid” when they complain. The good news is that the seeds of understanding are growing. Many guys I know are starting to get it, that feminism has screwed themselves, most men, and society in general. But it’s just starting, which means most of the work is yet to come. The bad news is that men are SCARED. Even on this site. They complain that they’ll be called “sexists” and “misogynists” if they fight back. Well be a MAN, goddammit. A MAN doesn’t worry what some feminist cunt thinks about him. Not only should men not be afraid of fighting feminist BS, in any just society, women should be afraid of supporting it! After men get angry enough to really fight back, and changes are made, we cannot forget that retribution and harsh penalties will have to be inflicted on all the feminists and their male sympathizers who made us have to do this in the first place. Remember that.

    Feminism and its effects need to be fought and beaten at all costs. No woman really respects a man who is scared of what others think.

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  535. on May 24, 2009 at 2:33 am feministx.blogspot.com

    BB? is that the real biting beaver? So excited her are here! BB and Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff were my original inspirations for my blog, which has now taken a different turn.

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  536. on May 24, 2009 at 2:48 am Chuck

    tupac:

    haha, i remember saying something about DA being this board’s woody allen a couple of months back.

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  537. on May 24, 2009 at 3:51 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Jack said:

    “The fact that you actively seek out men with negative character traits to be around you and your son, based solely on their looks, is unfortunately not shocking. But it’s good for us to hear – women like you are why feminism has ruined the family structure and has harmed our society greatly. 40 years ago you would have been married to a good middle class man, with 2 kids who would be raised right in a good family. Now you’re a single mother of a kid with alcoholic asshole genes, and that kid sees your lack of concern for yourself or him…”

    I’m glad to see more people are seeing things this way: the propugation of bad genes, the string of boyfriends around children, etc.

    I agree that 40 years ago most of these women would have married up; now society has removed the stigma and they’re creating little worlds of chaos.

    Jack — are you a regular poster? If not, I like the idea this way of thinking has gone mainstream.

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  538. on May 24, 2009 at 7:22 am Dreamer

    “As someone with children I can tell you that a SAHM is very, very “useful” indeed – the market price for what she does, if you had to pay for it out of pocket, would be huge.”
    -Tarl

    This is something that I think more people should realize. A woman staying home to take care of the household has high value, and it’s not simply her “choice” to relax at home and eschew her responsibilities in the working world. The cost and value of all her work – cooking, cleaning, watching children, etc. – is immeasurable. That is a job in itself and more men should regard it as so.

    Jack-
    You’ve made some interesting comments regarding the state of men in this society, re-their power clash with feminists and / or women. I read a book last summer that details this occurence (written by a woman) and now the name escapes me. But she espouses the same ideas you have here in this commentary. I have to agree with your ideas and her ideas.

    Regarding women choosing men solely based on looks – again, I have to agree with you. Men by nature are physical creatures and will most likely seek a woman based primarily on looks, then stay around later based on other factors. The wise woman chooses a man based primarily on other factors – such as his character, the way he treats her, and his social reputation / how he treats and deals with others. To choose a man based primarily on looks is a dangerous deal, particularly once you’ve moved past the young, wild, and free young girl stage.

    Agreeing with basic ideas only… and avoiding/not addressing the attack on the other commenter and her personal life…

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  539. on May 24, 2009 at 8:38 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””“As someone with children I can tell you that a SAHM is very, very “useful” indeed – the market price for what she does, if you had to pay for it out of pocket, would be huge.”
    -Tarl””””””””””””””””””””””””

    This is where guys fuck up and think woman are beneath them. Woman can do it all they can cook clean fuck keep house and make money. We are not giving them enough credit or requiring enough out of them.

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  540. on May 24, 2009 at 8:40 am Gunslingergregi

    This is why lady rain is perfect for the new standard for woman you can fuck her get her pregnant and she doesn’t come after you for money. Her and marcus aurel own.

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  541. on May 24, 2009 at 8:44 am Gunslingergregi

    Instead stupid fucks want to put rain down for her choices. Jesus put sara down for taking alimony for 4 years or any other of these bitches that just got a man to father kid and then get money off him and seperate and be a single mother anyway. Rain is actually doing what a woman should be doing who takes responsibility for her actions. It is beautiful to see a woman like this. Put welmers wife down for not letting him see his kids. There are lots and lots of freeloadin bitches to put down. Lady Rain ain’t one of em.

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  542. on May 24, 2009 at 8:52 am novaseeker

    Women are not homogenous. They don’t orgasm the same, and they don’t lust the same. There is as wide a variation of personality types in the female sex as there is in the male. Some girls have low libidos and strong nesting instincts. Some have moderate libidos, and dynastic ambitions. Some are in their head and geeky, and partner based on the compatibility of personality.

    True, during a woman’s ovulation, she’ll be more attracted to Alpha-type faces. But that means it’s also hard wired into women to be more attracted to beta-type faces the rest of the time. A preferance for beta characteristics is also innate to what comprises woman.

    Freeing women from economic choices when making mate and sex partner choices leads to more of the Alpha types getting more of the pussy. But it’s a matter of degree, not of wholesale choice of a preference. Some girls, some of the time, will always follow that other part of their biological preferences, and partner with the guy who on the spectrum between alpha and o m e g a, is over on the rightish hand side, but not so dangerous.

    @xsplat — Indeed, and well stated. However, I view this as more indicative of the double strategy that women have, in terms of sexual genetics: sperm from risky alphas, parental investment from stable betas. I think this is clear from the different kinds of men women are attracted to when they are fertile or not. Women are wired to be attracted to both kinds of men, BUT each for different reasons. Alphas for impregnation sex, and betas for “regular/bonding” sex to solidify the pair bond that is so important to raise healthy kids.

    Of course that only works a long as women see a value in the pair bond. That value is slipping away, for the reasons Whiskey points out. When women begin to see less value in the pair bond as they do today (no economic need for most women to pair bond, and general cultural trashing of men as fathers coupled with overwhelming promotion of single motherhood), they will still mate with alphas for impregnation sex, but many will simply forgo the pair bonding sex with betas because they see no value in pair bonding. Clearly many women still DO see a value in pair bonding, which accounts for the persistence of the double strategy, but increasing (and getting rather large) numbers do not see much value in pair bonding and are refraining from it.

    So I agree with what you wrote, but I don’t think it’s really inconsistent with what Whiskey is saying. We are in a transition phase — many women pair bond and many do not. The trend is towards the “not”, which is where Whiskey’s formulation comes into play.

    Women shame men into accepting the feminist destruction by calling them “not a man” or telling them “you can’t get laid” when they complain. The good news is that the seeds of understanding are growing. Many guys I know are starting to get it, that feminism has screwed themselves, most men, and society in general. But it’s just starting, which means most of the work is yet to come. The bad news is that men are SCARED. Even on this site. They complain that they’ll be called “sexists” and “misogynists” if they fight back. Well be a MAN, goddammit. A MAN doesn’t worry what some feminist cunt thinks about him. Not only should men not be afraid of fighting feminist BS, in any just society, women should be afraid of supporting it! After men get angry enough to really fight back, and changes are made, we cannot forget that retribution and harsh penalties will have to be inflicted on all the feminists and their male sympathizers who made us have to do this in the first place. Remember that.

    @Jack —

    Well said.

    The war is coming. We’re just getting started. Men by the millions are waking up, the internet 2.0 is playing a huge role in this, it has been a game changer for us and our issues. More men are waking up, and making different decisions about their lives. This will only grow, and will blossom into a fully-blown war. The only question is whether society collapses before that happens, or whether our movement blooms and forces reforms first.

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  543. on May 24, 2009 at 8:54 am doug1

    feministx

    I have to believe in HBD in order to believe men are the root of all evil. Logical consistency.

    But why do you want so much to believe in the latter?

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  544. on May 24, 2009 at 9:02 am doug1

    PA–

    Bhetti, that’s petty good. You read this comedy play yet:

    Thanks for the link. Somehow I’d missed that one. Classic!

    (Using Sara as DA’s erstwhile sexbot, not perhaps at first an obvious choice to many, was also genius.)

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  545. on May 24, 2009 at 9:09 am cz

    “Alphas for impregnation sex, and betas for “regular/bonding” sex to solidify the pair bond that is so important to raise healthy kids.”
    I think it’s sort of the reverse: sex with alphas IN HOPES of creating/sustaining/maintaining a bond AND maybe getting pregnant AND having a good time AND feeling good; sex with beta’s as a last resort IN FEAR of never giving birth, never being married, never having sex, being alone and uncared for in old age. This is why they talk about banging hot bad boys as such a liberating (open, free, unlimited, flight of Icarus) fulfilling (hopeful, positive) self-actualizing (taking steps aimed at maximizing or leveraging one’s life) experience as opposed to sex with beta’s as a chore. I haven’t met too many women who are openly Janus in their goals. This is why acceptance of open homosexuality is such a threat: it’s an open and notorious expression by women of “I want Mr. Big for sperm and girly-man for talk/emotional stroking and I have a right to both dammit.” F’s up the whole yin yang. I for one welcome our new ant overlords.

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  546. on May 24, 2009 at 9:09 am finefantastic!

    all lessons can be learned by keyboard cat.

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  547. on May 24, 2009 at 9:41 am Days of Broken Arrows

    CZ said:
    “This is why acceptance of open homosexuality is such a threat: it’s an open and notorious expression by women of “I want Mr. Big for sperm and girly-man for talk/emotional stroking and I have a right to both dammit.” F’s up the whole yin yang.”

    I think you’re wrong about this. The stereotype of the gay guy as gal pal is largely a media creation — along with the “strong” empowered single mom who has it all together, the bumbling “doofus dad” and man-children who are now romantic leads. This is the stuff of fantasy. For the most part, these stereotypes don’t exist outside Hollywood.

    I work in the arts in media and know A LOT of gay guys. They like to hang aound OTHER gay guys. They have female friends, but never, ever do I see the bonding that goes on in “Sex and the City.” In fact (listen up this is important) the people gay guys seek to be friend with are staight guys, not straight women!! In gay porn a common fantasy is for gay guys to convert straight guys.

    You have a point with the feminist bashing but both you and Roissy need to lay off the “gay guys are a threat because they’ll replace Betas” idea. Since we’ve already determined the media invents things, let’s add the “gay guy as gal pal” to the myth category. Maybe some women over 40 have this happening, but it’s not a widespread thing.

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  548. on May 24, 2009 at 9:53 am novaseeker

    I think it’s sort of the reverse: sex with alphas IN HOPES of creating/sustaining/maintaining a bond AND maybe getting pregnant AND having a good time AND feeling good; sex with beta’s as a last resort IN FEAR of never giving birth, never being married, never having sex, being alone and uncared for in old age. This is why they talk about banging hot bad boys as such a liberating (open, free, unlimited, flight of Icarus) fulfilling (hopeful, positive) self-actualizing (taking steps aimed at maximizing or leveraging one’s life) experience as opposed to sex with beta’s as a chore. I haven’t met too many women who are openly Janus in their goals.

    @cz —

    This is the behavior we see *today* — that’s true. But that’s because the value of the pair bond has gone down tremendously. When the pair bond had more value, women were not spending their prime mating period bouncing from one alpha bed to the next, but were pairing off. There was always a *lot* of infidelity going on (hence how our sperm evolved to compete inside a female with the sperm of other men), but it was a double game for women and men alike.

    What has changed is that the value, to women, of the pair bond has decreased a lot. That makes pair bonding optional for females probably for the first time in the history of the species. of course it only “appears” optional. The downside of females forgoing pair bonding is plainly obvious if you look at the black community. It’s an “option” for women, but an option that comes with a huge social cost for everyone else.

    What we are seeing is pretty much everything that is of social value being thrown into the garbage bin in order to enable maximum female and alpha male sexual freedom. That’s fun for the ladies and the alphas for a while, but it isn’t sustainable.

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  549. on May 24, 2009 at 10:14 am doug1

    xsplat–

    I’m quoting most of this because it’s right on, and what I like to remind people around her of too:

    Many women love to play the domestic love slave.

    It’s as if they were born for the role.

    This breakdown of good-boy/bad-boy, alpha/beta is simplistic. Not only is there a spectrum, but society is game-theory. There will always be competing strategies in use. The sociopath relies on most people being socialized. The artisan class relies on the police class. We are socially specialized, and that shows up in our genes – some of us are born naturals at certain aspects of what society needs.

    And it isn’t only the “Alpha” that can tame a woman and let her be happy as a domestic servant.

    I know it’s less common in the west, but it still happens – many women love to stay at home, and can be kept, for some years, in service to a provider mate. They were born and built to like it.

    There’s no doubt that domestic love slave is what a lot of women want, if the man plays his role right. There’s also no doubt that that is one of the things which feminism regards with most horror (except maybe it’s most fetishitic sub culture exotica which some are willing to leave alone as tit for tat with dominatrixes and so on), and endlessly propagandizes against in American media.

    You can also have that greater delight, in the book of doug1, the accomplished professional woman who’s first priority is you and arranges her time accordingly, but adores and needs your encouragement as well as sometimes being slavishly submissive in the domicile.

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  550. on May 24, 2009 at 10:18 am aoefe

    I can only offer my thoughts, not any statistics or broad generalizations, I’m one person and don’t want to be foolish enough to represent my gender. That said if I feel like this others do too.

    I think the feminist movement did a disservice to men and women in many ways. Not a fan. Even writing this causes me to swallow hard because I fear a backlash from other women.

    Men and women are innately different. We are hard-wired to continue the species. I agree with many posters that changing times have allowed women to select differently than they would have in the past in regards to mate. Single motherhood is losing its stigma. Marriage is considered passé.

    Striving for equality in the workplace has allowed women to be less dependent on men for economic survival. This has worked against women more than for them. Women are still expected (and are wired to) do the bulk of child rearing/nurturing and family management in general. This creates a huge burden on women. SOHM is a huge job and today as seen as less than. It’s no wonder women are opting out of pair bonding when the imbalance is so obvious.

    I personally advocate for the 1950’s model for family. A man should be the HOH (Head of House) and a man worth his salt will take this responsibility seriously and not abuse the power. A woman has the right to weigh in on decisions of course, but the final vote goes to the man. This removes the power struggle so prevalent in today’s relationships.

    Man up gentleman. Some of you want your cake and eat it too. If you believe the internet is creating a movement then have solutions instead of simple law of attraction how to get the girl and fuck her strategies. If you are worried about future generations, then look at how to win a women’s love not pussy.

    Women are cursed to love we need to. Men are made to rule. Simple.

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  551. on May 24, 2009 at 10:36 am Cannon's Canon

    Days of Broken Arrows:
    Gotta disagree with you, player.
    “(Gays) have female friends, but never, ever do I see the bonding that goes on in “Sex and the City.” In fact (listen up this is important) the people gay guys seek to be friend with are staight guys, not straight women!! In gay porn a common fantasy is for gay guys to convert straight guys.”

    If we’re just trading anecdotes, my gay friend has a shitload of SatC style female friends and virtually no guy friends. Gays could not be less interested in being friends with straight guys; there is a negative utility, considering majority prejudice. You went and cited a gay porn fetish theme, which I can’t confirm or deny, but I can say I’ve seen a lot of straight MILF porn. Doesn’t mean that youth is not an immutable biological imperative for guys.

    For the record, I agree with Roissy, CZ, and others; gay guys are actively replacing betas in the social hierarchy of females and exacerbate the conditions that will inspire a Beta Revolution. Can’t wait to witness it! (no homo)

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  552. on May 24, 2009 at 10:42 am 'Tis Default User

    Emerald aoefe

    …(bats Irish blue eyes rapidly whilst looking down, slight blush flushing her round cheeks)…

    I get the feeling that the only downcast eyes and blushing was done by the poor guy that tried to run lame game on you.

    Last question (I promise) before let you back to reading.
    How did you find this blog?

    –
    Defailte User

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  553. on May 24, 2009 at 10:45 am Default User

    [this may be a repost because wordpress ate my previous attempt]
    Emerald aoefe

    …(bats Irish blue eyes rapidly whilst looking down, slight blush flushing her round cheeks)…

    I get the feeling that the only downcast eyes and blushing was done by the poor guy that tried to run lame game on you.

    Last question (I promise) before I let you back to reading.
    How did you find this blog?

    –
    Defailte User

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  554. on May 24, 2009 at 10:51 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””Doug,
    You can also have that greater delight, in the book of doug1, the accomplished professional woman who’s first priority is you and arranges her time accordingly, but adores and needs your encouragement as well as sometimes being slavishly submissive in the domicile.””””””””””

    Her first priority cannot be you if she is a professional woman. Her first priority of the day in a ltr is going to be going to be work and her “carreer” not taking care of doug, her other priority is going to be her boss at work. That is why you would need multiple professional woman to fill out a schedule of me time lol. Seriously best thing I think for a woman to have would be a business where she is a boss then she really can arrange her schedule around you and make you the priority.

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  555. on May 24, 2009 at 10:52 am Default User

    Emerald aoefe

    I just posted my response to see yours.

    So you have given up spectating. Welcome (as Chic noir would say) to the pits of of hell.
    [I am sure you will be fine]

    I don’t want to write a long post, so I will just say that some here do discuss game within a long-term relationship. That is keeping alive the attraction for the long run.

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  556. on May 24, 2009 at 10:56 am aoefe

    @default

    I found it by tripping around the internet like many others I suppose. The discussions wasn’t flattering on the other site. I have to admit at first glance I was offended, but I’ve continued to visit and feel there are some very valid offerings by posters. I’m secure enough I suppose to wade in with an opinion or two, which I’ll try to do only after careful consideration of earlier arguments. Or perhaps even a comment if I feel the direction is getting off base. The verbal sparring between L.R. and several men was entertaining on some level, and it did open the door for deeper discussion, however I felt it went on about 300 posts too long (exaggeration).

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  557. on May 24, 2009 at 10:56 am Gunslingergregi

    Preferably with her working about 20 to 30 days a year. He He He

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  558. on May 24, 2009 at 11:02 am Rum

    aoefe

    For guys to participate willingly in a 1950s type marriage they must believe that being a 1950s type husband will in fact get them a lot of pussy. It will not work if the prevailing cultural belief about the nature of women is that they are hard-wired to “love” one kind of guy for nesting and instinctively feel their strongest sexual desire for quite another kind of guy.
    No amount of stay at home momism, or guys “manning up”, or watching Leave it To Beaver re-runs will make the slightest difference if guys come to see the whole scheme of them “ruling” the home as just a grand trick to get them to commit to a woman who inwardly feels that sex with him is humilation – then don’t hold your breath for the 50s to come back anytime soon.
    Ask yourself, which way is the tide running? What lessons have women been teaching men about womens’ sexuality these past few decades? What is happening anywhere in Modern Western Civilization that would encourage a young guy towards believing that offering his most honest, sincere, and dutiful self will make attractive young women wet their pants? To ask the question is to answer it.

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  559. on May 24, 2009 at 11:07 am Default User

    aoefe the brave

    however I felt it went on about 300 posts too long (exaggeration).

    Yes, some arguments can go on just a bit (under exaggeration) too long. I think that is the nature of the Internet and because, as men, we enjoy flexing our brains and verbal sparring.

    My own view is that best gift a man can give a woman is…
    …the last word.

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  560. on May 24, 2009 at 11:08 am xsplat

    There’s no doubt that domestic love slave is what a lot of women want, if the man plays his role right. There’s also no doubt that that is one of the things which feminism regards with most horror

    It wasn’t until I was 20 when I first saw a real homemaker in action. I was on the road, vending wares at Dead concerts, and we stopped in at my buddies family house. His mother was so gracious. The house was so well tended. She offered us fresh cut up fruits, and juices, and an assortment of home made goodies and cookings. She seemed genuinely interested in our wellbeing, and acted as if it were her role to tend to us.

    I was amazed.

    Living in Asia, I’m more used to seeing women take on that role. What’s more I’m now better at fostering it. In some cases I do more than foster it, but outright demand it, as fair trade for me providing everything else. It works well.

    Food is more wholesome when made with love, and my mates love to put love into my food.

    I routinely ask “did you put love in it?” , and the question itself warms up the room.

    Tasks are so much better when in service to a beloved.

    I’ve been lucky to have some very wifely care here. I like living like that.

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  561. on May 24, 2009 at 11:11 am doug1

    aoefe–

    I personally advocate for the 1950’s model for family. A man should be the HOH (Head of House) and a man worth his salt will take this responsibility seriously and not abuse the power. A woman has the right to weigh in on decisions of course, but the final vote goes to the man. This removes the power struggle so prevalent in today’s relationships.

    Man up gentleman. Some of you want your cake and eat it too. If you believe the internet is creating a movement then have solutions instead of simple law of attraction how to get the girl and fuck her strategies. If you are worried about future generations, then look at how to win a women’s love not pussy.

    Women are cursed to love we need to. Men are made to rule. Simple.

    Great post and voice aoefe.

    You’re a delight.

    (Perhaps I’ll have something more substantive / rational brain to say in a bit, depending on feet stomping or not around here.)

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  562. on May 24, 2009 at 11:12 am Rum

    Put another way, Western European monogamy is an exotic flower that only grows in highly unusual conditions. Those conditions once existed but now they don’t. What grows in our current reality is lots of Lady Rains. Guys notice this and thus the ideals regarding marriage of the 50s & earlier times become irretrivably lost.

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  563. on May 24, 2009 at 11:21 am Tupac Chopra

    Chic Noir:

    aoefe, you have entered the pit of hell.

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  564. on May 24, 2009 at 11:21 am aoefe

    @rum

    I agree with what you say. There will be some controversy with what I’m going to say I suppose. I think a man should expect his wife to be the consummate lady in the streets and a whore in the bedroom. I think Game used within a ltr is not a bad idea. I’m attracted not to the bad boy but to the man. The man I’d desire would have sexual expectations. A man has a right (as does a woman) to be sexually fulfilled. The species is better off (IMHO) when we place our sperm/eggs carefully therefore confining all the pussy he wants to his house would be optimal. A woman (here’s more controversy) should be expected to keep herself well maintained. I disagree strongly with the notion that women lose sexual attractiveness after 35. But that’s BIG IF they keep themselves maintained. Men are bitching about the cost of women, paying to keep her maintained is well worth it my friend. Natural aging takes place and in today’s society (maybe always) older is discarded. Aging well is doable. Men are looks driven I’m well aware, I am fortunate enough to turn heads. However if I’d concentrated on my looks alone I wouldn’t have been able to hold a man’s attention for longer than a nano second. It’s my engaging personality I hope which will keep him engaged longer than the romp.

    Men and women need to be very careful when choosing a partner for pair bonding. Expectations should be clearly stated prior to. Fucking is glorious and a woman who thinks otherwise is either lying or impaired. You CAN have a woman who is a delight to fuck, who is your wife, mother of your children and an interesting friend. Rolling over and letting her rule the roost will either drive her to fuck for fun or let herself go. It’s a job men, but one that has its rewards.

    Unfortunately we’ve got a lot of work to do in regards to shifting culture. It does start with individuals though doesn’t it? I guess that’s what we’re doing here huh?

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  565. on May 24, 2009 at 11:27 am New Guy

    Lady Rain/Elemental_Goddess (lol, if that don’t tell you all you need to know about her it never will)/ Wendy Leigh = Sushi over at the MABTW Board.

    Trust me, she is a disruptive bitch Little-Miss-Can’t-Be-Wrong that hasn’t met an argument she didn’t like. Her and her ilk have destroyed the boards over there with their excessive estrogen filled bash fests.

    Run from this little viktim/martyr now boys.

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  566. on May 24, 2009 at 11:28 am doug1

    Gunny–

    Her first priority cannot be you if she is a professional woman. Her first priority of the day in a ltr is going to be going to be work and her “carreer” not taking care of doug, her other priority is going to be her boss at work. That is why you would need multiple professional woman to fill out a schedule of me time lol. Seriously best thing I think for a woman to have would be a business where she is a boss then she really can arrange her schedule around you and make you the priority.

    I’m living with an example of what I talked about right now. Some careers are definitely more amenable to it than others. Also women don’t have to pursue careers absolutely full bore, and still get satisfaction from them, when their man is manning up and taking care of things, money wise. Or with kids esp. they can go part time, or full time at home for awhile.

    I’ve got another example in London, doing her professional studies, giggly with happiness in buying a goldfish and naming it after us, and doing all kinds of baby talk to it. Medicine can be a very good profession to do part time or light time after awhile. Women don’t have to go for master surgeon medicine, or complete with House.

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  567. on May 24, 2009 at 11:28 am aoefe

    @doug

    Thank you very much.

    @tupac

    I considered the loss of soul before posting and decided I’ll battle to keep it.

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  568. on May 24, 2009 at 11:31 am Tupac Chopra

    Rum:

    Put another way, Western European monogamy is an exotic flower that only grows in highly unusual conditions. Those conditions once existed but now they don’t.

    You might have a point.

    What grows in our current reality is lots of Lady Rains.

    Lady Rain types are the ones I most frequently have flings with, FWIW.

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  569. on May 24, 2009 at 11:41 am PA

    — Western European monogamy is an exotic flower that only grows in highly unusual conditions.

    This is related to a thought I had earleir today: is the alpha stud / beta provider dichotomy we so often speak of here the exception to norm that has flowered during this generation? Why can’t a nomal man be BOTH?

    The Western Man has always beet trained to be both, it seems to me. Only recently has the balance in boy-rearing swung too far toward the “nice guy” end, with outlaw-like bad boys cashing in.

    But the norm, I believe, is for normal/most European men to NOT cede the bad boyness to the outlaws.

    — Those conditions once existed but now they don’t.

    I believe the conditions we have today are an aberration, not the other way around. And it’s not unreasonable to expect things to go back to norm.

    Think post-Katrina anarchy and how the redneck communities outside of New Orleans spontaneously banded together to safekeep the women and children, post guard with shotguns against marauders, hide the bodies, etc.

    — What grows in our current reality is lots of Lady Rains.

    Lady Rain is a whore. They have always been around and always will be. She doesn’t matter.

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  570. on May 24, 2009 at 11:46 am aoefe

    @pa

    “This is related to a thought I had earleir today: is the alpha stud / beta provider dichotomy we so often speak of here the exception to norm that has flowered during this generation? Why can’t a nomal man be BOTH?”

    You got it!

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  571. on May 24, 2009 at 11:47 am Bhetti

    xsplat:

    Food is more wholesome when made with love, and my mates love to put love into my food.

    I routinely ask “did you put love in it?” , and the question itself warms up the room.

    I’ve had a strange exposure to this, actually. Whenever my mother tries to teach me to cook, she says ‘What are you doing? DO IT WITH LOVE! The food will not come out nice if there is NO LOVE!’

    I go ‘???’, get scared at the militant gleam in her eye and run away.

    Doug: There’re a lot of 9-5 and part-time medical jobs available, that is true, thanks to the feminisation of the profession. Hopefully I’ll pick one of those if they’re not boring and there’s a reason why I might want to be at home more (by the time it’ll be specialisation — you have to choose– time it’ll pretty much be it for The Best Years).

    No little fits of stomping to be presented, sir.

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  572. on May 24, 2009 at 11:53 am aoefe

    @default

    “My own view is that best gift a man can give a woman is…
    …the last word.”

    Sorry you snuck in there and I missed your post.

    My view is the best gift a woman can give a man is…the final word.

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  573. on May 24, 2009 at 11:54 am PA

    Why can’t a nomal man be BOTH?

    To continue with this thought, think of the character Shouting Thomas who posts here on occasion, and frequently at 2Blowhards.

    Thinking back to my grandfathers, uncles, etc. back in the Old Country, along with my wife’s huge extended family, supports my view that someone like Shouting Thomas is the norm so far as Western Men go, before we got all decadent.

    He’s got that combo of potential for hair-trigger violence, controlled anger, and unapologetic lust for women WITH undying love for his (late) wife and dedication to being a good provider (the man just finished nursing school!)

    He posts videos of his band on Youtube and he looks the part, so I’m sure that his character is not just a blog creation.

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  574. on May 24, 2009 at 12:02 pm doug1

    Bhetti–

    No little fits of stomping to be presented, sir.

    I meant in meatspace and not because of reading here.

    You know your stomping feet wouldn’t completely stop me, my little green eyed minx, but thanks generous girl.

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  575. on May 24, 2009 at 12:08 pm doug1

    Bhetti–

    Doug: There’re a lot of 9-5 and part-time medical jobs available, that is true, thanks to the feminisation of the profession. Hopefully I’ll pick one of those if they’re not boring and there’s a reason why I might want to be at home more

    You’re pulling out all the stops, aren’t you?

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  576. on May 24, 2009 at 12:15 pm Kamal S.

    feministx@

    I have to believe in HBD in order to believe men are the root of all evil. Logical consistency.

    Wow…. I am almost speechless. And I am a needlessly verbose bastard.

    At least you have some wit..

    Ok, so yes, this is a cogent illustration of why reason alone isn’t good enough. If you start with a really bad fundamental set of axioms, then the most exquisite logic will take you into a really, really, bizarre conclusion. Myopia conjoined with intelligence in women can be cute, or aggravating, depending on the context, but it is always strange to witness..

    Dreamer@

    Regarding women choosing men solely based on looks – again, I have to agree with you. Men by nature are physical creatures and will most likely seek a woman based primarily on looks, then stay around later based on other factors. The wise woman chooses a man based primarily on other factors – such as his character, the way he treats her, and his social reputation / how he treats and deals with others. To choose a man based primarily on looks is a dangerous deal,

    I agree, mostly. But the way I see it, the choice to stay with a woman primarily (note primarily) based on her looks is a bit shallow as well. Seeking physical beauty is innate to all men, and beyond this, there is something inspiring, and elevating, to physical beauty.

    But moral beauty is as inspiring, and elevating, especially when it comes in plainer packages. Looks can get a woman noticed, and all men, all of us, are attracted to pretty butterflies and tend to want to collect them. But character in a woman’s very important, and sometimes trumps looks, a bit.

    I notice looks and physical beauty first, but as I become older I end up paying more attention to her character. Sometimes her look advertises this even.. I sometimes purposefully hit on plainer girls instead of hotter ones IF they seem interesting, somehow. NOT hipster “I’m kind of hot, and coke thin, and so ironic it hurts, So talk to me” interesting, but rather something more quiet, ineffable and hard to put a finger on, something that a woman radiates that indicates her character. But that’s just me.

    Character matters; I’m no image whore – but I do have my types. I’d happily date a facially plain but physically fit girl, with a great personality and fundamentally sound character, over a beauty queen who is a neurotic shallow bitch, any day.

    A physically fit and sexually adventurous 4 or 5 with a wonderful character and personality, and a good soul, trumps an annoyingly bitchy 8.

    Character matters to me, but I must be honest – if a girl’s a 9 or 10, then I do become more shallow … the threshold of annoying shit I’d put up with from a woman does rise.. I will put up with more crap from an extremely physically attractive woman, but there is a limit.

    Unless you are a Polish model, or a near spitting image of Asia Argento, Jessica Alba, or Isabelle Adjani, then the amount of inane and annoying shit you can get away with me has a finite and small limit. If you are in Jessica Alba’s league, my annoying shit threshold does rise considerably, but it still exists, and if you are Isabelle Adjani, or Asia Argento, then the threshold rises even higher, but it still exists – the only thing is that Women in that league can feel free to act like utterly annoying gits 6 (not 7) hours a day, and I will mostly just ignore them, or laugh, as long as sex continues to be forthcoming and they do not cheat on me.. . and they can cook well.

    I’ve discovered by accident that calmly ignoring some outbursts of stupidity tends to lessen their frequency anyway. I have no idea why, but it does.

    Ignoring them can also blow up in your face. But half the time I’m not in the mood to care anyway. I tend to date the sullen moody types, not the explosive angry ones anyway. And the explosive angry ones can be kind of fun to watch, like a train wreck.

    Aesthetics do matter, if I get pissed off too much then I can just tell you to shut-up. The most liberating moment I ever had in my life was yelling at a very attractive ex to stop being a raving bitch and just shut up for a moment. She actually shut up, and asked me why I never called her out before.

    If my calm “shut up the hell up dear” earns a worse temper tantrum – the whole “Like oh.. my.. God.. just who do you think you are boy..” tantrum, then I can just ignore it until physical objects start to be thrown. Then I can yell. Loud. Seems to shock some. But I prefer calmness. In any case she can leave, and I can go back to reading, or possibly call someone up for a massage…

    I’m behind on my reading anyway, I want to finish Huxley’s Time must have a Stop, Henry Miller’s Black Spring, and Jim Marr’s Reign of Secrecy. I started reading all three a couple of months and need to finish them

    “….So won’t someone pour me another martini, to sit while Rome is afire. So won’t someone pour me another martini, and we’ll toast the world’s funeral pyre” -Boyd Rice

    Virtue and character matters; in this decadent age. My tolerance for boorish girls who rattle on and on about the environmental effects of meat consumption declines. And cooking; well, since I can cook damn well I expect the same of a woman. There are really sweet girls who cannot cook, and I accept this when they have other virtues. But if you lack virtue and you cannot cook, then what are you doing walking around even?

    Nothing sexist about it. It’s one of those self cultivation things, along the lines of “Hey, you’re 24? Great. And you haven’t learned how to cook yet? That’s a demerit girl!” I can cook well, and I’m a man. So if I know my way around a kitchen, she damn well should. I can even bake – I hate buying store bought bread when I can make it better myself. And I keep my flat clean.

    Character matters, and my tolerance for girls with bad character, who shoplift, check MySpace on their pocket computers during dates, find used bottles of Wild Irish Rose in coffee shop bathrooms, and excitedly show them to me and proudly announce to me their intentions to drink it later tonight (again, I can not even make this stuff up people, I’m not that creative.), suburban hipster girls who are given free drugs walking through bad neighborhoods and actually have the poor grace to boast about this to me, and in general – slovenly boorish girls who cannot even cook well, girls who do coke off the bathroom floor of relatives houses – and then boast about it – don’t interest me beyond a night or two of fun. And increasingly not even this, at all.

    Whilst they are better than porn – bad sex with vapid and hollow beings is better than porn – there are so many things in life more important still.. more elevated.

    I have noticed that woman I know of any quality tend to be more attracted by a man’s character and quality a bit over his fundamental facial appearance. And I have noticed that the most shallow women I’ve known primarily seem attracted by image. Which is why it’s more flattering to me when a girl complements my mind, than if she complements my looks or style.

    Yes, I will be flattered enough to sleep with you if you complement my boots or shoes. But it is so much more meaningful to me if you like my ideas.

    Oddly I’ve noticed something, when many girls say “looks”, it seems to not really be physical attractiveness they seem to mean, rather an image, a constructed image in most cases. I’m always shocked that women see it as “looks”. I’ve known girls who think they like pretty boys go gaga over guys who are really a bit… broken up in the face but have a carefully constructed pretty boy image, the right clothes, good grooming, and carry themselves like they are pretty.

    I think that women often inflate a basic facial symmetry of a man’s face and seem to project more personal good looks on him if they like their image, persona.
    Ditto for girls who go hot over “hot band boys” or “hot bad boys” – if the guy has some basic muscular tension, is a bit cut, has tattoos and so on, they see THIS and project the image onto his plain facial features.

    Punk girls are notorious for this, especially gutter punk and eco punk girls ( yes I have dated a couple, in the past. And yes they grow very, very, annoying quickly. Bad socialization, a tendency to nag me about my SUV, and a fondness for not bathing, turns me off real quick. Even if you have a 9’s face), plain old ugly guys wearing the right punky shit seems to make them wet. Some call rather facially ugly or plain guys “hotties” but what they are actually noticing is their, well, image. That seems to be where tattoos and what they wear comes in. It’s more like an image that guys in certain scenes cultivate.

    I’ve dated a couple of girls who admitted that they usually prefer “hot bad boys” in leather with tattoos. Living in a smaller Midwestern town you tend to run into people who have dated people you are dating, the guys I’ve seen often are a little bit ugly, but just have an alpha biker or band boy feel.

    I have no tattoos, and I wear suits and good shoes or well polished Jackboots. More like a banker than a prole, though occasionally I break out leather jeans and an old Black Flag T Shirt because I feel ironic and nostalgic. Mainly I just instinctively gravitate to black or dark gray suits, or jeans and a suit jacket. If I wear combat boots they must be polished to a fine shine, and I prefer German surplus jackboots over combat boots or doc martins. Every girl loves a fascist, or so Sylvia Plath thought..

    And tattoos? With all respect to guys who do, I just choose not to. Like Megadeth’s Dave Mustaine put it; “Tattoos? What, do you put bumper stickers on a porche?”
    In any case, ladies who admit that they primarily dig ink and muscles and leather still often thought I was the cat’s meow. One so much so that she asked for the privilege of still giving me head with no strings attached, long after I broke up with her, because I made her that hot. She’s a giver by nature, but she also just simply thought I was groovy in spite of my not conforming to previous shallow image markers that she thought were hot. Since she couldn’t cook well, the least I could do is accept this offer. Some ex’s cook for me, this particular one gave head. In all cases though really sweet gestures that keep a post-flame friendship nice and cozy. This is a good reason to date sweet women with some character. They feed you and give you massages even after the break-up, and sometimes more..

    Anyway if a girl is on my arm I could frankly care less if she says she usually prefers clowns in zoot suits and heavy applications of white pancake makeup. Whatever she usually prefers, obviously she prefers me now and frankly, seriously, that fucking mime on the corner cannot do to her what she knows I can do.
    (I cannot make this up, there are some women turned on by clowns. The range and depth of female sexuality is astonishing – I hope you are reading this DA..)

    But girls who are sweet, kind, and cook well still get to see me after we break-up. Nothing better than your ex’s cooking dinner for you. Girls who are sweet, kind, and cannot cook at all are still not that bad. Girls who are bitchy, complicated, neurotic, but from time to time bake me brownies and give me massages even after we break up are also not too bad.

    A woman of bad character can ruin a man’s life. I have a story, a couple of actually, tales from the decadent wastelands of the plain middle class mid-west suburbs, but they would make my comment too long.

    That said, character matters, in this decadent age, and:
    “In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity…” – Hunter S. Thompson

    “Leave weakness and scruples to the petty minds and the rabble of underlings..” – Gobineau

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  577. on May 24, 2009 at 12:20 pm kim

    “I personally advocate for the 1950’s model for family.”

    I’ll go for 1960s if it means I get my own Don Draper 🙂

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  578. on May 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm PA

    The one flaw with the 1950s model family is that this was an era of rapid suburbanization, and it caused married women to become cut off from other women, including their extended families.

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  579. on May 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm maurice

    @pa, xsplat, aeofe- yep, that is certainly an ideal we all should strive for. the problem, and the point of a lot of this discussion, is that changed female attraction norms/behavior undermines this balance for men. if women have higher status, they can’t marry/date “up” to the same degree, will have no attrcation for and contempt for the relatively “betatized” men in their lives, makign them misreable and seeking out higher status alphas.

    what’s your solution to that? throw out feminism? not happening. mass men’s movement? many barriers against. beta men “going galt” a la Dave Alexander? woeful, pathetic. game and wider awareness of the principles of attraction, including greater self-awareness on the part of many females, are actually the best solution…?

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  580. on May 24, 2009 at 12:24 pm maurice

    @kim – note that the actual don draper in the show is totally self-invented, a kind of fraud. do you think the writers are making a point there…?

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  581. on May 24, 2009 at 12:25 pm PA

    what’s your solution to that?

    Weather the storm, marry a good one (outsource if necessary — college party girls aren’t the only women out there) and don’t buy the propaganda.

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  582. on May 24, 2009 at 12:26 pm doug1

    aoefe–

    My view is the best gift a woman can give a man is…the final word.

    Yeah. “final word” is better.

    After all, who can keep women from babbling? Or anyway, really want to that much. After all, they’re much happier that way.

    Certainly I don’t want to.

    A wise man however will value his woman’s insights and knowledge greatly, and also put large weight on her wants and especially needs. A close partnership is where it’s at, with an ultimately deciding voice, but usually consensus.

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  583. on May 24, 2009 at 12:28 pm Tupac Chopra

    PA:

    is the alpha stud / beta provider dichotomy we so often speak of here the exception to norm that has flowered during this generation? Why can’t a nomal man be BOTH?

    A man can strive to be both, but women don’t usually judge a man in isolation — she judges him relative to other men.

    If those *other* men are more alpha/higher-status/bad-boy, then his sexual market value takes a hit regardless of how evolved he is in synthesizing his own version of an alpha-beta “ideal.”

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  584. on May 24, 2009 at 12:29 pm Tupac Chopra

    maurice:

    note that the actual don draper in the show is totally self-invented, a kind of fraud.

    Self-invented = fraud?

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  585. on May 24, 2009 at 12:34 pm kim

    Maurice,

    I like him as a whole…with his mysterious past and the life he has created. He’s a multi-layered character, as are pretty much all the Mad Men characters which is why it’s an amazing show that I miss a lot 🙂

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  586. on May 24, 2009 at 12:35 pm aoefe

    @maurice

    There are hurdles to be sure and the change some of us seek is not going to happen in this generation. I wish I had answers/solutions, I don’t. I think you need to be open to the idea that there are more like-minded women out there than you may believe.

    My advice I guess would be this: Know what you want, know how to articulate it in a way it would be understood by women (Use Game), don’t settle. This advice is for all of you whether it’s fling, pump and dump or ltr. If this site gives you tips on how to accomplish your goals – cool.

    My fear is that some men on here hate women because of experiences they’ve had. It goes both ways, many women hate men because of experiences they’ve had. Get past the hate, move on.

    Personal philosophy – life is 10% what happens to you and 90% what you do with it.

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  587. on May 24, 2009 at 12:35 pm PA

    If those *other* men are more alpha/higher-status/bad-boy

    Where are those *other* men? You mean those monosyllabic dopes in oversized white t-shirts I see walking around? I could kick any of their asses, or at least I wouldn’t be scared of throwing a punch at one if necessary.

    Dude, I was raised in the US and made tons of beta mistakes in my earlier youth but I saw the writing on the wall and changed my ways in time.

    I am just a regular guy and not a testosterone factory. And yet I figured out how to do all of the above: (1) take care of providing good health insurance for my household, (2) make random young women think of me when they masturbate at home later that night, and (3) scare off with my glare some punk who is checking out my wife.

    If I can do it, any other ‘nice guy’ can do it too.

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  588. on May 24, 2009 at 12:38 pm aoefe

    @doug

    “A wise man however will value his woman’s insights and knowledge greatly, and also put large weight on her wants and especially needs. A close partnership is where it’s at, with an ultimately deciding voice, but usually consensus.”

    Love it!

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  589. on May 24, 2009 at 12:38 pm doug1

    PA–

    Think post-Katrina anarchy and how the redneck communities outside of New Orleans spontaneously banded together to safekeep the women and children, post guard with shotguns against marauders, hide the bodies, etc.

    This was quite true but virtually censored by the mainsteam media, e.g. TV, or anyway covered with furious spin.

    There was so much leftist media anxiety about the truth, which they saw through the lens they conveyed, that almost frantic cries of racism and of the moral damnation of the inept Bush administration rang far and wide. Meanwhile the far more revelant local government ineptitute was covered up or sun furiously for obvious reasons.

    There’s always been primarily self help in this sort of situation in that sort of situation. The feds or even state government has generally stepped in, if at all, later in the game and mostly with reimbursing and rebuilding money — not by planning and taking care of everything in the immediate disaster soup to nuts.

    I found the refusal to criticize New Orleans locals except a LITTLE bit the local government, and indeed the whole media mindset over that story appalling, and decadent.

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  590. on May 24, 2009 at 12:41 pm Dreamer

    You CAN have a woman who is a delight to fuck, who is your wife, mother of your children and an interesting friend. Rolling over and letting her rule the roost will either drive her to fuck for fun or let herself go. It’s a job men, but one that has its rewards.
    -aoefe

    I have to agree with this idea… sounds ideal!

    This is the model that can save marriage, but who’s to say if it’s possible. Seems like our society is shifting away from this; men’s roles have changed so much, it’d be difficult to find the ones who are actually either brave enough or cognizant enough to take on that 1950s style authority… especially when there are so many women who rail against it. And men who rail against marriage in general…

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  591. on May 24, 2009 at 12:41 pm novaseeker

    @PA, aoefe —

    I think that women have always had to make compromises when it comes to selecting a mate. The compromises are more glaring today, with generations of young men raised by their mothers and the culture to be ‘nice boys’ — a terrific failure in social engineering if there ever was one. But the dichotomy has always been there between the best available parental investor, and the best (available or not) provider of DNA.

    As Matt Ridley noted well in his book “The Red Queen”:

    “Likewise, deep in the mind of a modern woman is the same basic hunter-gatherer calculator, too recently evolved to have changed much. Strive to acquire a provider husband who will invest food and care in your children; strive to find a lover who can give those childfen first-class genes. Only if she is very lucky will they be the same man. It began with a woman who married the best unmarried hunter in the tribe and had an affair with the besy married hunter, this ensuring her children a rich supply of meat. It continues with the rich tycoon’s wife bearing a baby that grows up to resembe her beefy bodyguard. Men are to be exploited as providers of parental care, wealth, and genes.”

    The difference today is that everything is out in the open, and that the husband role is less needed by many women, therefore reducing the need to make compromises. This is no doubt exacerbated by “nice guy” disease, but not really caused by it. The underlying cause is that pair bonding is not as necessary as it once was, and if it isn’t needed, many will dispense with it because noone really likes to make a compromise if they do not need to do so.

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  592. on May 24, 2009 at 12:45 pm Dreamer

    “A wise man however will value his woman’s insights and knowledge greatly, and also put large weight on her wants and especially needs. A close partnership is where it’s at, with an ultimately deciding voice, but usually consensus.”
    doug1

    This is well-said… authority with responsibility, ie. the needs and wants of the woman. Pay attention to what she wants, but make the final choice. 🙂

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  593. on May 24, 2009 at 12:46 pm aoefe

    @dreamer

    I’m an optimist and believe it’s possible. I don’t think as a cultural shift anytime soon, but certainly as men and women look inward, identify their true needs as individuals and seek them it can happen one family at a time. Be proud – don’t hide from what I believe is what nature really intended. Women who rail are not worth the effort -just sayin…

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  594. on May 24, 2009 at 12:52 pm aoefe

    @novaseeker

    “Strive to acquire a provider husband who will invest food and care in your children; strive to find a lover who can give those childfen first-class genes. Only if she is very lucky will they be the same man.”

    Doesn’t ring true to me as a woman. Women are less motivated then men regarding genes, we’re too easily led by our hearts. Women go for alpha/bad boy men because they play with their emotions, not that they look like good sperm donars. True.

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  595. on May 24, 2009 at 12:54 pm Tupac Chopra

    PA:

    Where are those *other* men? You mean those monosyllabic dopes in oversized white t-shirts I see walking around? I could kick any of their asses, or at least I wouldn’t be scared of throwing a punch at one if necessary.

    To follow up on what Nova said, the lover/provider dichotomy is hardwired in women. Cultural factors can *influence* it in either direction, but it’s not a problem of socialization per se.

    What I’m saying is that while you might be the right blend of lover/provider traits for your woman on a deserted island, if you find yourself in a densly populated metropolitan area, you will be surrounded by men who are more socially dominant. Since the lover/provider distinction is innate in women (and not necessarily rational), she can easily be pulled in their direction regardless of how suitable you were for her on that deserted island.

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  596. on May 24, 2009 at 12:55 pm Tupac Chopra

    Doesn’t ring true to me as a woman. Women are less motivated then men regarding genes, we’re too easily led by our hearts. Women go for alpha/bad boy men because they play with their emotions

    Say what?

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  597. on May 24, 2009 at 12:57 pm aoefe

    @tupac

    “say what?” What?

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  598. on May 24, 2009 at 1:02 pm doug1

    kim–

    I like him as a whole…with his mysterious past and the life he has created. He’s a multi-layered character, as are pretty much all the Mad Men characters which is why it’s an amazing show that I miss a lot 🙂

    Great taste in men. And exactly.

    In some ways I wish they’d made him less handsome. I know you’re gonna go NO!!!!!, and those are the ways I fine with how it looks. I wouldn’t want to deprive you of that extra punch of goodness.

    The trouble is that his super good looks allow everyone, especially women, to ascribe ALL of his undeniable huge attractiveness to that. In fact it’s mostly the rest of his alphadom. It’s his combination of great talent, and some considerable caring for others, with his bad boy rakeishness.

    The writers did do a number of things for feminists and other moderns to hang their hat on in disapproving of him and that style of manhood making a reappearance.

    Most of all they did this in his relationship with his wife. With her being such a hottie, albeit in a Grace Kelly kind of way, that’s pretty unlikely. Sure he wouldn’t treat her as as much of a whore as his flings, but when she e.g. dressed up for him all off her own bat in that French whore getup, sure he’d know what she wanted, conscious brain as well as hindbrain, and give it to her. Maybe I’m projecting. But I really think so. I think the real Don Draper of that period would all in warmly love his wife more than portrayed. They didn’t show him that way, esp. in the second season, I think to avoid portraying adultery by men as hot as Don, as not so horrible after all.

    BTW, I was quite late to the Mad Men party, and watched almost all of it through torrent downloads. That’s often the case with me with the few TV serials I do watch. I like watching them in concentrated time compressed doeses much better for one thng.

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  599. on May 24, 2009 at 1:06 pm novaseeker

    Doesn’t ring true to me as a woman. Women are less motivated then men regarding genes, we’re too easily led by our hearts. Women go for alpha/bad boy men because they play with their emotions, not that they look like good sperm donars. True.

    Of course you aren’t consciously seeking sperm donors. Your genes get you to do that by manipulating you in other ways — in this context, attraction.

    Women are wired to be attracted to alphas for sex because that was the phenotype that generally had the “best genes” when those genetic prints evolved. So yes, bad boys play with your emotions — and you’ve been wired up to respond that way by your genes so that you are encouraged to mate with that phenotype. You consciously experience that as attraction — but that’s just the way your genes motivate you to do what they want you to do.

    Women do not have a conscious double strategy — but their genes have that strategy and encourage women to pursue it by attracting them to certain kinds of men for pair bonding and others for sex.

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  600. on May 24, 2009 at 1:10 pm Thursday

    Since the lover/provider distinction is innate in women (and not necessarily rational), she can easily be pulled in their direction regardless of how suitable you were for her on that deserted island.

    Let’s not get carried away. The ideal for women is to have both the lover and provider in one, so a good compromise candidate often will beat out a chance at a good fling. Remember, from an evolutionary perspective, the father is much more likely to commit resources to the kids if he is sure they are his. A woman who tries to get a beta to raise the fruit of an alpha’s seed is taking a huge risk of abandonment and violence.

    Again, it all depends on the woman.

    Sadly, the brainy ones don’t usually have the looks to engender more than a quizzical second look from men.

    1. Intelligence correlates with looks except at far right tail.

    2. Conservative church girls are neither worse nor better looking than other girls.

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  601. on May 24, 2009 at 1:13 pm aoefe

    @novaseeker

    Wow, who knew! I’m unschooled in the ways of biology, I’ll admit it. I’m learning.

    I will bow out commenting for now, I’m thankful you all have allowed me a voice here, but I’m at risk of hijacking/over writing even if in the politest of ways. I’ll continue to listen though.

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  602. on May 24, 2009 at 1:15 pm doug1

    aoefe–

    A woman (here’s more controversy) should be expected to keep herself well maintained. I disagree strongly with the notion that women lose sexual attractiveness after 35. But that’s BIG IF they keep themselves maintained. Men are bitching about the cost of women, paying to keep her maintained is well worth it my friend. Natural aging takes place and in today’s society (maybe always) older is discarded. Aging well is doable. Men are looks driven I’m well aware, I am fortunate enough to turn heads. However if I’d concentrated on my looks alone I wouldn’t have been able to hold a man’s attention for longer than a nano second. It’s my engaging personality I hope which will keep him engaged longer than the romp.

    More aoefe deliciousness.

    As well I think it really helps if the man is considerably older. The feminist culture war against that is so wrong headed. It’s all based on them NOT wanting any power differential in relationships (or psst, the woman having the clear edge). You’d almost think a lot of feminism was constructed by lesbians or ugly hags or something.

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  603. on May 24, 2009 at 1:19 pm doug1

    aeofe–

    I’m thankful you all have allowed me a voice here, but I’m at risk of hijacking/over writing even if in the politest of ways.

    That’s so wrong silly girl.

    There hasn’t been a comment thread on Roissy’s in a long time that doesn’t get hijacked, often multiple times, and so long as it’s interesting, most of us love it.

    As well people here are loving you, and wanting more of you.

    But if you need to run off and do stuff, that’s fine too.

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  604. on May 24, 2009 at 1:19 pm Rum

    Katrina Vigilantes

    I am glad this story is leaking out. The mainstream media at first avoided it altogether and then spun it as a purely racial thing. However, the basic message is pretty powerful and absolutely true. When society and all law & order break down for a prolonged period of time the issues surrounding the 2nd amendment become vividly relevant – for all skin colors.
    People forget that during the whole period of western expansion there was little if any regular professional law enforcement. just neighbors who were willing and able to fight against the bad guys.
    I suspect that B. Obama is far too pragmatic a politician to make strict gun control an issue for his administration. I think he gets it that the history and the temperment of the US makes this is the wrong country to try that with.

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  605. on May 24, 2009 at 1:20 pm Tupac Chopra

    aoefe:

    Wow, who knew! I’m unschooled in the ways of biology, I’ll admit it. I’m learning.

    http://www.firstscience.com/site/articles/perception.asp

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  606. on May 24, 2009 at 1:26 pm Tupac Chopra

    Thursday:

    Remember, from an evolutionary perspective, the father is much more likely to commit resources to the kids if he is sure they are his. A woman who tries to get a beta to raise the fruit of an alpha’s seed is taking a huge risk of abandonment and violence.

    And yet it happens…

    Especially in today’s world where women have a barrage of guilt-inducing mechanisms to keep their duped husbands in line. Cf. anony in the MPT thread.

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  607. on May 24, 2009 at 1:29 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “Women do not have a conscious double strategy — but their genes have that strategy and encourage women to pursue it by attracting them to certain kinds of men for pair bonding and others for sex.”

    To the extent that this is true, it might be better expressed as ‘women prefer certains kinds of men for pair bonding and others for flings.

    Now to the extent that _that_ is true it doesn’t mean that women consciously (or unconsciously) want Ward Cleaver to be raising Roissy’s progeny or that their genes do. It does mean that a percentage of the children they (as a group) give birth to will be from flings with guys who press their short term buttons but who they don’t want or need in their lives long term. The exact percentage will vary due to lots of factors especially including opportunity.

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  608. on May 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm Default DJ

    Emerald aoefe said

    I’m thankful you all have allowed me a voice here, but I’m at risk of hijacking/over writing even if in the politest of ways.

    Hey, Aoefe Please Don’t Go. 🙂

    Doug:
    You seem to saying a lot of stuff I would have, if I could have organized my thoughts. Sometimes it is just easier to post a YouTube video.
    [see above, see below]

    Regarding Alpha/beta in a LTR:
    Maybe you just need to cruel to be kind

    [same song for the younger posters]

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  609. on May 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm kim

    Doug,

    I agree that a lot of women are going to say that they like Don Draper because of his looks, but I think there are more women open to admitting that it’s because of his alpha behavior than you think. For example, after this scene aired:

    (sorry if that shows up as code, I’m a lame-o when it comes to trying to use html)

    Women went crazzzzzzyyyyyy about over that scene and absolutely loved it.

    I agree about his relationship with Betty though. I am hoping that as more of his past gets exposed that it will explain more things about his personality and maybe will shed more light on that.

    Also, better late than never! I caught the season 1 marathon that ran right before season 2 premiered and spent that entire Sunday watching it and was hooked.

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  610. on May 24, 2009 at 1:31 pm PA

    And yet it happens…

    Now, you of all people should know that not all women would behave like that.

    Especially in today’s world where women have a barrage of guilt-inducing mechanisms to keep their duped husbands in line.

    Lots of beta husbands means I get to look comparatively better by being one of the few non-walking-dead husbands at some of the SWPL parties I am invited to.

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  611. on May 24, 2009 at 1:31 pm aoefe

    @ doug

    Thank you. I do have to run, but will be checking back to see how this thread continues, very interesting for me too.

    In regards to older men I agree entirely. In my pursuit of a partner I’ve told all my friends I want an older man. One reason is pure vanity – I want to be the hot thing not the reverse. I’ve yet to find the man who combines intellect, natural dominance, and is funny as well as fun as hell, who is single. Most older men are married and looking for a bit on the side. They often gravitate towards me. I refuse their advances because quite simply I deserve (and want) the full meal deal. The other men who pursue me are much younger; I guess they see me as a teacher of sorts. Again not interested – I have enough difficulties with image (societal pressures) and don’t want to be measuring up or not against a young pup. Plus I’m wise enough to know that only satisfies for a moment and is quite empty afterwards.

    ta ta for now

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  612. on May 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm PA

    I suspect that B. Obama is far too pragmatic a politician to make strict gun control an issue for his administration.

    Al Gore on the other hand, wasn’t pragmatic. He made gun control a big crusade in 1999, and it cost him his home state of Tennessee. Which cost him the election.

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  613. on May 24, 2009 at 1:36 pm Default User

    PA

    I was catching up by scanning through this thread.

    I am probably last to say congratulations on your new son. No doubt a gentleman and an Alpha in the making.

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  614. on May 24, 2009 at 1:39 pm PA

    Thanks DU! Now as soon as you, Roissy, and other alphas in various stages of training here have their own sons, my boy will not lack for competent wingmen in 16 years.

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  615. on May 24, 2009 at 1:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’ll second the gentleman default sometimes even though it looks like it puts you at a disadvantage you got to have some morals. Sometimes they even keep you out of trouble that you couldn’t even foresee.

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  616. on May 24, 2009 at 1:51 pm Default User

    Gunslinger

    I do not believe that gentleman and Alpha are mutually exclusive nor that thug = Alpha.

    As has been pointed out it is a mixture careful leading with barely implied threat of deploying less gentlemanly behavior if needed.
    [or something like that, I am not feeling very organized today]

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  617. on May 24, 2009 at 1:51 pm novaseeker

    To the extent that this is true, it might be better expressed as ‘women prefer certains kinds of men for pair bonding and others for flings.

    Now to the extent that _that_ is true it doesn’t mean that women consciously (or unconsciously) want Ward Cleaver to be raising Roissy’s progeny or that their genes do. It does mean that a percentage of the children they (as a group) give birth to will be from flings with guys who press their short term buttons but who they don’t want or need in their lives long term. The exact percentage will vary due to lots of factors especially including opportunity.

    @Cliff —

    Yes, yes, of course we need to be clear.

    The double strategy is one of opportunity. It is not the case that all women actively pursue a double strategy. It’s an opportunistic thing. As Thursday points out, women will prefer to get a two-for-one deal in the same man — I fully agree. But I also agree with Ridley that relatively few will be able to swing that. That doesn’t mean that all who don’t swing it are just waiting for the right time to cuck their husbands, but it does mean that they are more vulnerable to be tempted to do so if an opportunity arises and where there is less perceived risk.

    Which leads us to the present day: more opportunities for women to do this than ever before due to most of them being in close proximity every day to other men, at least some of whom may be sexually attractive to them. coupled with very low risk associated with the behavior. Sure her husband could leave her, but is that so terrible under the current divorce regime?

    So, we live in a time of high opportunity and low risk for women to engage in a behavior which is, by its nature, opportunistic. I think you can connect the dots from there.

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  618. on May 24, 2009 at 2:01 pm doug1

    kim

    I agree about his relationship with Betty though.

    Yum on you.

    That YouTube vid clip is exactly why I first starting watching Mad Men. Someone posted it where I saw it. I figured that guy is worth watching, if that isn’t a one off aberration.

    Yeah you’re right, a lot of women have been admitting it’s precisely has bad boy ness while still being a high performing (in fact rather ruling) professional that’s so hot about him. Still his looks give feminists and other dissenters an out.

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  619. on May 24, 2009 at 2:02 pm Thursday

    And yet it happens…

    Again, with some women.

    Different women are programmed to use different mating strategies. There are advantages to the alpha sperm raised by beta provider strategy, but it is high risk, high reward, and there are also advantages to the compromise candidate strategy. A large number of women really are programmed to strongly prefer the latter.

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  620. on May 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    but yea sometimes you got to go thug on a chick to get that initial fuck so you can get her addicted and then move on to cuddly talk he he he

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  621. on May 24, 2009 at 2:17 pm kim

    Doug,

    Yes, very true about his looks. My friend reads a blog called Jezebel which is sort of a pop-feminism blog mixed with other random postings, but one of their writers loves Mad Men and will post about it every Sunday after the episode. I personally find the blog obnoxious, but it always kind of makes me laugh that this writer is swooning over Don Draper yet everything else she posts would make you logically think she’d hate him.

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  622. on May 24, 2009 at 2:31 pm Bhetti

    This song is so Gunny.

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  623. on May 24, 2009 at 2:35 pm David Alexander

    What is happening anywhere in Modern Western Civilization that would encourage a young guy towards believing that offering his most honest, sincere, and dutiful self will make attractive young women wet their pants?

    Admittedly, that’s been my main point of contention. Once beta males have figured out the dynamics of female sexuality, I’d question why they’d bother to do so in any non-game sexual capacity? It’s the equivalent of buying a sports car, and being told that not only are you bared from racing on the track, but you can’t go any faster than 30 mph on public streets. Game in theory is a license upgrade, but you’ll never have the true ability to drive on the track like an alpha.

    Lady Rain types are the ones I most frequently have flings with, FWIW.

    She looks a bit more sexual when compared to the average woman, so she may invoke pump and dump compared to a cuter girl at the same age even if she was childless.

    is the alpha stud / beta provider dichotomy we so often speak of here the exception to norm that has flowered during this generation? Why can’t a nomal man be BOTH?

    I’ve been thinking about the difference between my dad and his brother over the past few days, and while both have the same father and mother, one couldn’t argue that they’re completely separate discrete men, but that my dad has slightly more beta/dad-like qualities while my uncle is much more like a cad/alpha. Mind you, my dad is certainly not a pushover, and he was very forceful with my mother, and when you see my dad and his brother interact, my dad tends to be the dominant one since he’s older.

    Of course, both of them grew up in a third world country that has some European influence, so they’re immune to feminism. I must admit that on one night, my dad was drunk and admitted that I didn’t “turn out” as expected, and I suspect he feels that working long hours to support us while mom took care of us may have been the culprit, or that his attempts to steer me out of thug lifestyle that my older brother took may have been a bit too harsh. Of course, this is all highly theoretical at this point, and besides, despite my self-deprecating humour and inflated comments, I’m rather content with myself and my masculinity.*

    As to why feminism weakened men, one could argue that the problem is that we may be conflating issues together. Separating sexual freedom from socio-economic freedom may be the best thing to do, and can lead one to conclude that women at the time wanted to have some connection back to the “real world”, and that with the exception of a hardcore group of radical feminists, this didn’t mean that men had to become wimpy and “beta” in the process. Maybe the most obvious sexist behaviour had to go, but women returning to the workforce doesn’t preclude the need for a strong male counterpart in her life. Nearly every female friend has basically admitted to a desire for a strong man in their life regardless of how they felt about other males, and the girls who have found long-term relationships have said that these men filled that role.

    *Hint: David may be a bit more “alpha” (non-asshole) in real life at certain moments than may appear online.

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  624. on May 24, 2009 at 2:39 pm doug1

    Tupac; Novaseeker; PA; Aeofe

    To follow up on what Nova said, the lover/provider dichotomy is hardwired in women. Cultural factors can *influence* it in either direction, but it’s not a problem of socialization per se.

    @Aeofe: Don’t listen to this. It will be bad for you. I now know what’s best for you and am looking out for you. Honest. (Though it wouldn’t hurt if your firted with me some. 😉 (Don’t worry about a certain someone on here as far as that goes. She knows it’s inevitable with me and while it tightens up her chest, makes her heart beat fasterr and her pupils dialate, it also makes her flow, more, when I turn to paying her attention.) You will also see by reading further that it’s a vast exaggeration and only partly true.)

    @the rest of you lot. That meme from evolutionary psychology is a vast exaggeration. It’s rarely stated that baldly by the scientists doing the work, and when it is as headline, it’s almost always qualified.

    By and large that dichotomy is in the thinking or writing about it in a simplified way, rather than what really drives most women, to the point of acting on it.

    Women really do want both the dominant skillful emotion manipulator and bang up lover, and the good loyal and intelligent provider. They want both even if they do alright economically on there own. Or the great majority of women do.

    Most women don’t want thugs, or maxed out highest T studs who are brain dead or dull or can’t take them places in their heads as well as bodies. They want a good combo.

    However it’s more than a few women’s attraction to thugs that’s most inexplicable under the pretty lies that prevail so sure that’s what’s most intereresting and shocking to dwell on.

    It’s certainly true that the balance is and has been shifting as women can more provide for themselves without good male providing help or anyway that’s not a disaster for many, and as women have been more openly focusing on their own sexuality, way before and also after marriage.

    Really exaggerating the degree of this dichotomy is rather David Alexander like for all but the most playerish men here, who never expect to settle down and bring little providing ability to the table.

    To some extent that last IS Roissy, who I suspect has made a conscious choice to not emphasize a career too much or chose one to allow for lots of play time and energy. But his is not the only way to get lots of quality pussy. (Though maybe if sheer sustained numbers are your goal, that is how to go.)

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  625. on May 24, 2009 at 2:39 pm Bhetti

    Of course, this is all highly theoretical at this point, and besides, despite my self-deprecating humour and inflated comments, I’m rather content with myself and my masculinity.*
    *Hint: David may be a bit more “alpha” (non-asshole) in real life at certain moments than may appear online.

    DA keeps messing with your head. If you value your blood pressure…

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  626. on May 24, 2009 at 2:47 pm Lady Rain

    New Guy–

    I am not from any forum other than PWOT (Cracked) forum and I have no idea why people keep thinking I’m someone else. Do you mistakenly think I’m a crusader or something? Anyhow, I have no idea what forum you’re referring to and you’re giving me credit for someone else’s “flaming”.

    Anyhow… a few things people keep saying here is that “Lady Rain chooses bad boys to play with”. I hate to point out the obvious here, but “tattoos” doesn’t mean “biker” or bad boy. My son’s father wasn’t a “bad boy”, he wasn’t a criminal, he was just a guy with an alcohol problem.

    Yes I like tattoos… on ANYONE! I think they’re attractive and I know plenty of guys who are heavily tattooed and still the emotional type (especially among younger men). I never said I like “bad boys”. I would never bring a “criminal” around my son.

    I like men with AN OPINION. There’s a huge difference. I like a man with intellect and self-esteem that matches my own. I have a very strong and opinionated personality and I would not be with someone who DOESN’T possess those qualities because how would I identify with them? How would I be able to respect a man who is SO different than me that I can’t really “relate”? It’s not because there’s something wrong with them OR with me. It just means everyone likes something different.

    I am also aware that raising a son alone has negatives. I’m not retarded, of course it does. However, the way people keep painting me as thinking being a single parent is “the way to go” is not something I have ever said. It is the “way to go” in MY personal situation. I had the choice of staying with the asshole…. or leaving. I choose leaving. I chose the lesser of two evils and I am still quite sure it was the right choice.

    As for me preferring “casual relationships”. This does not mean I bring men around my son who are shitty influences. I stated earlier that I do NOT condone women who put their sexual needs/romantic needs before that of their child. If I choose to have a “casual sexual encounter” it would never be something my son knows about or someone that I’d bring around him (unless of course it was a lifelong friend or something like that).

    I do allow men around my son but typically only platonic male friends who my son seems to like. I have done a lot of dating, yes…. but there has only been one man that I was serious enough with to bring around my son (and that was the ex who is still hanging around).

    I also am not a woman who thinks “avoiding marriage” is best. It’s the best choice FOR ME. I look at it as taking a risk (meaning bringing a new man into my son’s life) who may turn out to be the best husband ever or who may turn out to be even worse than his natural father. Why take the risk if I am financially/intellectually able to raise my son by myself? It is a sticky decision for ANY divorced or single parent of ANY sex to make and since my emotional needs don’t necessarily involve a LTR to be happy, I feel that the risks outweigh the benefits at this point.

    I look at it as logic at this point in mine and his life. He is past the “baby” stage and passing into the school years. Legally he will be an adult by the time I am 43. I feel like my life is hardly “over” and I certainly can wait until he is much older to think about marriage/LTR when it effects him the LEAST as opposed to right now. Maybe I’ll want a LTR by then, maybe I won’t. Chances are I’ll throw myself into whatever work I’m doing at that point because I am an extremely work-oriented person and genuinely feel “good” after a hard day’s work.

    Could I end up alone with this attitude? Yes of course! I’m not delusional…. I could suddenly become disgusting and fat by then, but I’m not afraid to be alone. This is just part of my personality. I was always a loner since I was a child and long before my son was born as well. I moved out of my parents at 18 (as was their rule) and lived alone until 21 when my son’s father and I started a relationship. After experiencing both a live-in situation and living by myself I realized that I much prefer to live alone.

    This is not just with romantic relationships. I am extremely choosy in who comes to visit my home in the way of friends and even family. This is why I don’t like being used as an example of “american attitude” of women because I am not the average woman. Most guy friends I have whether of the Alpha or Beta persuasion tell me this often. Whether it is complimentary or not doesn’t matter….it’s just the way I am. I think it’s perfectly fine for women to be housewives by choice or to be career women by choice. Each person is different and what makes them happy is different. I don’t look down on housewives nor do I look down on career women who never have children at all.

    I just choose based on what I honestly feel is best whether society/friends/fam like it or not. I am the one who essentially has to answer for my choices to both my son and myself and if I fail I want it to be because I tried in the best way I know how as opposed to what someone else considers “the best way” for me. If that is worthy of hate and disrespect for me, I don’t mind at all because I would rather be hated for my own choices than for someone elses.

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  627. on May 24, 2009 at 2:49 pm doug1

    novaseeker–

    due to most of them being in close proximity every day to other men, at least some of whom may be sexually attractive to them.

    The relative social isolation from other men except when accompanied by their husbands in the suburbs in the 40s-60’s (aka “the fifties”) was an abberation, at least within Western Civ. Though the degree of mingling now is also an aberration, or brand new.

    coupled with very low risk associated with the behavior. Sure her husband could leave her, but is that so terrible under the current divorce regime?

    This is the key re: female cheating / cuckolding. Or one of them. Bringing back shame is the main other one.

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  628. on May 24, 2009 at 2:52 pm Bhetti

    All ye who take the path of Doug, beware, for that way lies (delicious) madness.

    maurice: Yes, it’s the Persian Gulf but it’s an Arab thing to (for me, jokingly) contest the point wherever it is made, and indeed it is called the Arabian Gulf if you’re an Arabic country even if you doth speak in English.

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  629. on May 24, 2009 at 2:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not seeing any substance though just magic tricks.

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  630. on May 24, 2009 at 2:57 pm novaseeker

    Women really do want both the dominant skillful emotion manipulator and bang up lover, and the good loyal and intelligent provider. They want both even if they do alright economically on there own. Or the great majority of women do.

    Most women don’t want thugs, or maxed out highest T studs who are brain dead or dull or can’t take them places in their heads as well as bodies. They want a good combo.

    @Doug1 —

    Yes, I agree women prefer the two-for-one deal — no argument there. I don’t think that most women *get* the two-for one deal. I think that a lot do *not*, and I think that’s on the main reasons why divorce rates as are high as they are –> women are disappointed in their mates and their marriages. Some women will act out on that and cheat, others will divorce, and others who have chosen mates who are either true two-for-ones, or close enough, such that they will be long-term happily married.

    Still others, as you well know, wait a long time to get married and either “settle” (a good bet he’s *not* a two-for-one) or forgo marriage altogether. Neither of these groups (the settlers or the forgoers) is a small group, and the latter, at least, is growing.

    I don’t think anyone is saying, Doug, that women actively pursue a double strategy — they don’t. However, the double strategy happens on an opportunistic basis — which is probably why women, when asked why they have cheated, will say things like “I don’t know .. it just happened”. What that means, I think, is that under the right circumstances, with the right opportunity, the temptation to cheat will be very, very strong due to wiring — it seems like it just happened, because it wasn’t something they planned … but their genetic wiring made it hard for them to not act in that way when that particular opportunity came about. I think many women go through life without being in one of those situations, but, again, because of the current lifestyle with the opportunities that it offers in this area, I’d guess that’s the main reason we’ve seen the rate of female adultery climb quite a bit in recent years.

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  631. on May 24, 2009 at 3:00 pm novaseeker

    The relative social isolation from other men except when accompanied by their husbands in the suburbs in the 40s-60’s (aka “the fifties”) was an abberation, at least within Western Civ. Though the degree of mingling now is also an aberration, or brand new.

    @Doug —

    True enough, but that’s kind of a quibble. In other words, I was referring to the degree of mingling — that’s new, and it does provide a lot of opportunities for extra-pair sex. Of course you’re aware that the office is very commonly where extra-pair sex mates are found.

    This is the key re: female cheating / cuckolding. Or one of them. Bringing back shame is the main other one.

    I agree, but I don’t see either happening any time soon. The arrows, if anything, seem to be pointing in the other direction, as I read them.

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  632. on May 24, 2009 at 3:13 pm David Alexander

    The one flaw with the 1950s model family is that this was an era of rapid suburbanization, and it caused married women to become cut off from other women, including their extended families.

    The 1945-1968 model is a bit of a fluke due to the fact that it was the first time that a stay at home wife was affordable for the masses. Earlier eras of women worked in some form or another earning income for their families. Mind you, this was all propped up by the fact that American factories were high paying jobs for men with a solid, but limited basic education, and that was due to high military spending for the Cold War and reconstruction spending in Europe due to the obvious weakness in their economies in the post-war period. While immigration was low, the “surplus” labour role was picked up by internal migration of Blacks and to a lesser extent, Puerto Ricans to industrial areas of the North*, which is why black poverty levels went down during that period, but stagnated during the slow urban deindustrialization of the 1970s and 80s.

    *which induced white flight due to other policy changes as well

    to be ‘nice boys’

    As a nice boy, I’d argue that some of us are naturally this way, and we love the emotional highs that we get. Plus, for some of us, it’s a reaction to watching our parents argue, and our attempts to make up for it by avoiding arguments as much as possible.

    Of course, as I jokingly contemplated the other night, if a man can be “programmed” to be a nice guy, there’s certainly nothing preventing society from programming him to be a loyal cuckold. Or is there an inherent penalty-brake effect in some or most men that prevents that from happening? Even I as the “nice guy”, could contemplate marrying a single mom, but still fears being cuckolded.

    Conservative church girls are neither worse nor better looking than other girls.

    Stereotypically, they’re useless for me since they don’t do nails or heels, and they tend to not like black guys for varying reasons.

    Now, you of all people should know that not all women would behave like that.

    That’s the odd part about reading this blog. Either it can embolden one into using game, or it can buffer one’s depressing conclusions about the future of their lives in regards to sex and women. Once you see lots of anecdotes tied together, you tend to conflate it with data, and presume that all women are like that, or that the ones who don’t act that way would do so if given the chance.

    Though the degree of mingling now is also an aberration, or brand new.

    It’s high, but as I like to point out, some of the children of maids in Haiti have light skin and other white features. In other words, while mingling may be lower in the past, there was a whole pool of women who laboured as servants who had exposure to the upper class, and these women may be pursued or were pursued by their male employers at some point. Sans DNA tech with a similar ethnic group, except in blatant situations, there was nothing available to disprove cuckoldry.

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  633. on May 24, 2009 at 3:18 pm Lady Rain

    David–

    I don’t mean this to be cunty, but what is your thing with “nails”? It’s just funny to me because whenever I see those long awful acrylic nails painted with airbrush birds and butterflies it’s (in my mind) the clear mark of a woman with no taste. You genuinely find those trashy nails attractive?

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  634. on May 24, 2009 at 3:19 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “The double strategy is one of opportunity. It is not the case that all women actively pursue a double strategy. It’s an opportunistic thing.”

    But my position is that there is no ‘double strategy’ there’s a single strategy. Women like sexual variety, not as much as men, but they like and desire it. The only strategy is to not have a fling with a carbon copy of one’s husband.

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  635. on May 24, 2009 at 3:22 pm PA

    Is it still cuckoldry when a woman bears a child of her husband’s twin brother?

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  636. on May 24, 2009 at 3:23 pm David Alexander

    DA keeps messing with your head. If you value your blood pressure…

    At best, maybe 1% alpha when “shit happens”. Otherwise, he’s the shy timid person who is too meek to get upset at a secretary for a doctor that takes a week to file forms.

    Women really do want both the dominant skillful emotion manipulator and bang up lover, and the good loyal and intelligent provider. They want both even if they do alright economically on there own. Or the great majority of women do.

    That’s a sentiment that I agree with based on the comments from female friends over the years. Interestingly, part of those comments were proxies for “why you will never go out with me”.

    I think that a lot do *not*, and I think that’s on the main reasons why divorce rates as are high as they are

    And the problem is that as a man, even without no-fault divorce, would you really take the risk, especially if you know that you’re not that perfect blend of both alpha and beta?

    Still others, as you well know, wait a long time to get married and either “settle” (a good bet he’s *not* a two-for-one) or forgo marriage altogether. Neither of these groups (the settlers or the forgoers) is a small group, and the latter, at least, is growing.

    It’s probably better in the long-term if these women simply stayed single instead of forcing themselves into marriages that could fail, and avoid single motherhood to prevent the issues that causes. It may be growing, but for everybody, it’s probably the most sensible option. Birth rates may go down, but it’s better than a so-so marriage that produces children who think marriage doesn’t work and opt for single parenthood in their adult years.

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  637. on May 24, 2009 at 3:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””Lady Rain
    I don’t mean this to be cunty

    woman with no taste””””””””””””””

    Kind of an interesting thought there.

    You were doing so good in the post above that.

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  638. on May 24, 2009 at 3:25 pm novaseeker

    But my position is that there is no ‘double strategy’ there’s a single strategy. Women like sexual variety, not as much as men, but they like and desire it. The only strategy is to not have a fling with a carbon copy of one’s husband.

    @Cliff —

    But that’s not a single strategy, is it? I mean we can get bogged down with semantics, but pursuing extra pair sex already means it isn’t a single strategy — a single strategy would be confining sex to the husband. I mean one could say the strategy is to marry a man and pursue extra pair sex — so it’s “a single strategy” — but that’s a semantic difference from what I am saying, rather than a substantive one.

    Or perhaps you’re talking about conscious strategies? I’m not. I’m talking about “wiring” or “underlying motivations and urges” — “strategy” on the genetic, gamete level, not the conscious level.

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  639. on May 24, 2009 at 3:27 pm Lady Rain

    Guns–

    It’s just genuine interest on my part. I’m not poking fun at him, I just can’t figure out what the big draw to long nails is. If it’s just a fetish or something it’s understandable and that’s really all I was asking.

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  640. on May 24, 2009 at 3:29 pm David Alexander

    You genuinely find those trashy nails attractive?

    My ultimate preference has generally been for French manicures or solid colours. There are a few variations of the French manicure that I’ve seen that border trashy, but are acceptable (red tips, white/bottom) to me while others (green tops) that are hideous. Non-date had natural nail manicures, and she’d have a simple design (white rose on red background) that’s tasteful and beautiful, while a supervisor at work had hideous nails with an ugly tropical motive.

    I’ve always found nails to be attractive, and they tend to make a woman’s hands more beautiful and feminine. Plus, admittedly, they look and feel good when touching your body, especially certain male organs… 🙂

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  641. on May 24, 2009 at 3:29 pm Lady Rain

    Guns–

    Basically for me it’s the same as a woman getting fake boobs, but instead of getting nice natural looking ones, getting huge obviously fake ones.

    That’s where I get my “poor taste” opinion on that. Why get an obviously fake plastic nail with neon unnatural colors when you could get fake nails that look natural ?

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  642. on May 24, 2009 at 3:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””PA
    Is it still cuckoldry when a woman bears a child of her husband’s twin brother?””””””””””””””

    That is probably just brothers who share lol

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  643. on May 24, 2009 at 3:30 pm Default User

    PA

    Is it still cuckoldry when a woman bears a child of her husband’s twin brother?

    You, know that has to be the philosophical question of the month. We might even beat the 1,039 replies of the Fembot post.

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  644. on May 24, 2009 at 3:31 pm Lady Rain

    David–

    Okay that’s what I was asking. If you just like a well-manicured hand or if you like those awful neon things women get painted on their nails. I agree a french manicure is probably the most natural looking and you are definitely not the only man on earth to find a “feminine hand” to be attractive. (Sort of like men liking the way the back of a woman’s neck looks).

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  645. on May 24, 2009 at 3:32 pm doug1

    novaseeker–

    Yes, I agree women prefer the two-for-one deal — no argument there. I don’t think that most women *get* the two-for one deal. I think that a lot do *not*, and I think that’s on the main reasons why divorce rates as are high as they are –> women are disappointed in their mates and their marriages. Some women will act out on that and cheat, others will divorce, and others who have chosen mates who are either true two-for-ones, or close enough, such that they will be long-term happily married.

    To the extent that this is true, it’s heavily due to the feminist culture push for 1) the pussification of men and 2) the excessive cultural “empowerment” of women. (it’s natural for you be act like a harridan in marriage) man.

    I think it’s MUCH less due to either 1) women making good money and 2) innate biology that’s now for the first time unmasked, than you do.

    I think PA’s right that a lot more (higher percentage of) men used to seem alpha to their wives than do now particularly in the Anglosphere. I think a lot more men could rediscover being alpha to their women or close enough, than do now. (The close enough is reference to my not believing in a knifed edge dichotomy between alphas who drive all women wild with sexual yearning and desire and betas who women never want to fuck twice.)

    Sure as an alpha there are some upsides to making it look that way though. Lots of them. If you have no social conscience at all. Personally I don’t see the need for that additional propaganda edge.

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  646. on May 24, 2009 at 3:37 pm doug1

    PA

    Is it still cuckoldry when a woman bears a child of her husband’s twin brother?

    LoL

    Fraternal or identitcal?

    Therein you illustrate the idiocy of going overboard on the “genes are all that really matters” thing.

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  647. on May 24, 2009 at 3:38 pm David Alexander

    If you just like a well-manicured hand

    The neon stuff *can* be attractive, but in sparing and limited doses. A little glitter is okay, but once you get into those awful designs that are really colours bleeding into each other at the hands of a five year old, then you’ve crossed into the trashy/ghetto zone.

    BTW, my preference scale

    Acrylic nails > long natural painted > short painted >>> nothing (shudder)

    the only man on earth to find a “feminine hand” to be attractive

    Put it this way, my beta tendencies would lead me to pay for a girl’s nails and do stuff to avoid ruining her nails.

    think it’s MUCH less due to either 1) women making good money

    See all my comments referring to female “feminist” college educated friends looking for strong men.

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  648. on May 24, 2009 at 3:39 pm Default User

    doug1

    Fraternal or identitcal?

    Important point. I guess it matters twice? as much.

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  649. on May 24, 2009 at 3:56 pm doug1

    novaseeker

    This meme that’s been getting going around here that current divorce is really all men’s fault, or the cultures through men, because they’re too pussified, and the issue can never arise for any alpha that isn’t an horrific abuser is also an “ugly lie” from the other side that I’d like to quash.

    Hand in hand with men being taught to be too pussy by our culture is women being taught to be too aggressive and mannish and also too entitled and intolerant, certainly when towards their husband or other LTR mate. The media and the rest of our culture actively encourages women to wear the pants in a marriage, not to let him win, stand up for herself at every turn, and not let old school words like “bitch” keep her from complaining all over the place. This makes it harder for men to remain manly in marriage. The problem is from both directions.

    As one example Lady Rain said she left the live together father of her child because he was an abuser, and tht she never sought child support from him. From that everyone including me concluded that he was shiftless and an economic loser and most concluded that he really was an abuser and an alpha of the thug variety.

    It then developed that she left him when he first raised a hand against her (implying as per the false feminist catechism that escalating repeats were inevitable or close to it) and that she didn’t like his drinking.

    Oh we also learned that he was a hard steady worker who made a good if not great income (perhaps similar to hers) and was loyal to her. Well maybe he wasn’t such a real abuser. Maybe he didn’t really beat her up but just slapped her. Maybe he really would have not kept doing that. Maybe his drinking problem wasn’t such a problem but he did slap her when drunk, and could tone down his drinking.

    However her uttering those magic words, “drinking and abuse” certainly when not combined with his being very high status and high earning, were enough here, and she’s no doubt found about everywhere, for people to conclude that she’s blameless for leaving the father of her child that wanted to stay with her, if not for conceiving with him in the first place.

    My point is there’s an entitled female who believes she’s entitled to be so entitled, who left an apparent sexual alpha, for perhaps no very great reason.

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  650. on May 24, 2009 at 3:57 pm gig

    PA

    in this case the cuckolded brother would be free to murder and later claim innocence on the basis that it was , genetically, a suicide.

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  651. on May 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm Bhetti

    DA: Every time I read how much you like nails, I BITE ONE. TO THE QUICK. It’s bleeding and everything. *has just demonstrated something about female psychology*

    Am a nailbiter. Which is why noone will ever love me. But I like it that way.

    Re: stay-at-homes. Points were always valid, tone & presentation stress-inducing.
    Re: blood pressure. Dissonance between what you actually think or feel and say is too much ‘I’m messing with your head’, which includes finally acknowledging the beta-alpha as a spectrum and situational dependent. Perhaps using psychological terminology rather than simplistic beta-alpha categorisation’s more advantageous and that should be something for you to research regarding your personality and your behaviours.

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  652. on May 24, 2009 at 4:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    omfg gig lol

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  653. on May 24, 2009 at 4:09 pm xsplat

    Maurice

    what’s your solution to that?

    Well, you know my solution to that. Location, location, location. Choose your priorities, bear the burdens of giving up non-essentials, and locate yourself in good luck territory.

    I have no solution for society. But individuals still have good options.

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  654. on May 24, 2009 at 4:11 pm novaseeker

    To the extent that this is true, it’s heavily due to the feminist culture push for 1) the pussification of men and 2) the excessive cultural “empowerment” of women. (it’s natural for you be act like a harridan in marriage) man.

    I think it’s MUCH less due to either 1) women making good money and 2) innate biology that’s now for the first time unmasked, than you do.

    @Doug —

    I guess we just disagree on this, then. 🙂

    I see your points, and I do agree that they are factors which make marriages work less well and make many mess less attractive to women.

    But, more than you do, I think that both men and women have biological incentives to cheat under certain circumstances. Nothing is being “for the first time unmasked”. Cuckolding is not new. What’s new is that laws and mores have changed to make it less risky for women to do it. As I say, I don’t think it’s something that most women do, or something that women consciously do, or typically plan to do, but I think it’s something that’s opportunistic, and that this is wired more or less. She is less likely to do that in a marriage with a sufficiently alpha husband, but only marginally so. Not every woman who wakes up one morning on a business trip in her boss’s hotel room bed after a night of mind-bending orgasms and unprotected sex is unhappy with her husband or her marriage — if you ask her, she’ll say “I don’t know why I did that … it just happened”. She’s less likely to give in to that temptation if she is happier with her husband, that’s true, but sometimes women do it anyway because “they owe it to themselves” or they are looking for adventure or something like that — or they are just randy for the guy. She’s less likely to do it if she is more likely to get caught, or if there are consequences if she gets caught — but we’ve taken away most of those as well. So what I am saying is that on the margins, the underlying opportunistic strategy is more viable for women today due to it being less risky, due to them having more access to men in close working conditions, and due to the culture, as you say, of female entitlement/empowerment.

    I agree with you that men can lower the risks by being more alpha with their wives. But the external culture and the laws matter too, as well as how both of those interplay with her wiring.

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  655. on May 24, 2009 at 4:12 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Lady Rain is ugly

    http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=34799757&albumID=412847&imageID=50403988

    she looks like Jackie Stallone in that pic, like her face is about to mellllt. eugh!!

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  656. on May 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm doug1

    Bhetti

    DA: Every time I read how much you like nails, I BITE ONE. TO THE QUICK. It’s bleeding and everything. *has just demonstrated something about female psychology*

    J’accuse of showing off in the self satisfied knowledge that you’re this thug’s publicly acknowledged moll. *just demonstrated something further about female psychology*

    Am a nailbiter. Which is why noone will ever love me. But I like it that way.

    This I will ignore for now. Beware though, you’re in danger of being given another mission.

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  657. on May 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but doug if you where a wealthy man who would you feel more comfortable marrying rain or welmers ex. He He He

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  658. on May 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm Lady Rain

    Doug–

    I don’t understand your logic. I understand the point that the woman is not always “innocent” in a domestic abuse situation. There are plenty of women who are just as abusive and think it’s okay because they’re a girl and smaller than their partner. This is NOT okay either.

    What you are suggesting, though is that there are many things that could have caused him to “drink too much” or maybe “slap/hit” me on occasion or even once.

    The only thing that would “warrant” getting hit is if I had hit HIM also.

    However, I am not trying to call you a “bad man” but the logic you seem to be throwing around is that someone can be “pushed” to do something like that even if it’s not in their nature all the time.

    While this may be true that the very logic that lifetime abusers USE as an excuse for their actions. “Well if she didn’t make me so angry…..” or “if she didn’t push my buttons so hard….” or whatever the case. No matter what the situation, each and every person on this earth is responsible for their own actions. The way you REACT to a situation cannot be blamed on someone else. Saying an abuser is “pushed” means that he is not responsible for his actions. No one can MAKE you react in an abusive way unless you CHOOSE to act that way. (again unless the man was attacked by the woman or whatever)

    I could have used the same logic and stabbed him after he hit me and said “Well if he hadn’t abused me so much I wouldn’t have been pushed to stab him”. Had that been the case, I would STILL be guilty of losing control of myself and had a CHOICE how to react to being hit. I could have also hit him back and it would be warranted, but I’m an adult and am responsible for my own reactions, so I chose NOT to and to just leave him.

    There is no excuse for being abusive on the part of either a man or a woman unless you are attacked/life is in danger. Anything else is just an excuse to not take responsibility for yourself as an adult.

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  659. on May 24, 2009 at 4:14 pm novaseeker

    Make “men” less attractive to women — not mess, although this is kind of a mess.

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  660. on May 24, 2009 at 4:15 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    And here’s why you been called a hoe and a slut Lady

    http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=34799757&albumID=412847&imageID=53081807

    hanging your ass in the air for the whole world to see isn’t exactly “classy” now is it?

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  661. on May 24, 2009 at 4:15 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    you’re*

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  662. on May 24, 2009 at 4:21 pm Bhetti

    Doug: You don’t need to re: nailbiting. Have already stopped lately. Why did I stop? Well, it happened around the time I was fasting… it just happened automatically.

    *tries to be indignant about being publicly called a moll, but supposes that goes with you calling yourself a thug*

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  663. on May 24, 2009 at 4:21 pm Lady Rain

    Hollywood,

    Whoever you are and wherever you appeared from, you seem a little obsessed with my profile. You can insult my appearance all day and I don’t really care. You are entitled to think whatever you want to about me.

    Since you keep addressing me even though as far as I know I’ve never spoken to you, I assume you wanted an answer, so there you go. I answered you. You think I’m an ugly slut and want to make sure I’m aware you feel this way.

    Okay I’m aware of your opinion and now you can sleep tonight knowing your opinion is duly noted.

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  664. on May 24, 2009 at 4:28 pm doug1

    Gunny–

    Yea but doug if you where a wealthy man who would you feel more comfortable marrying rain or welmers ex. He He He

    Bhetti.

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  665. on May 24, 2009 at 4:29 pm Kamal S.

    Lady Rain@ Yes.
    He does find those nails attractive. As to why ? It likely has something to do with massive over-consumption of porn. Oh, that and the fact that lots of middle class raised nice guys like him really, really, deep down inside have a thing for trashy women.

    Hell, I do. At least to a slight degree. White trailer trash girls, black ghetto trash girls, Latina cholitas who do that cute thing with the dark lipstick. There is something inside many men that is stirred by flagrant examples of really tacky female sexual displays… up to a point. On this page, local town harlots sometimes wind up with strange crushes on local passive nice guys. Think “West Side Story”. Indeed I have witnessed this occur, it is truth. None should doubt its truth. This is along the lines of
    “opposites attract”.

    But frankly I prefer the company of classier women. Classier women are more appealing to me, by far. Think of it this way, if your nails are 11 inches long and you think a pink PVC mini-dress is “dressing up”, then the number of places I can actually take you becomes more limited. Also, I don’t watch Nascar, I couldn’t give a damn what Souljah Boy’s newest single is, I can’t stand backwards baseball caps, and I hate conversing about pop culture.
    I think that if David would stop allowing his sexuality to be molded by porn harlots, he may slowly find more subtle, nuanced, and classic displays of female sexuality to his liking.

    David@ ”Once beta males have figured out the dynamics of female sexuality, I’d question why they’d bother to do so in any non-game sexual capacity? I.”
    Because you haven’t figured it out, not entirely anyway. It’s like biting half of the red pill and choking on it. The other half demands some self examination and even transformation.

    It should be obvious that some of the world view Roissy articulates is exaggerated for effect. Witness his constant prodding of you. But one can realize this and still see his point with skewing “pretty lies” – as obnoxiously as he is doing it, he’s calling attention to things that most people ignore or lie to themselves about. There are assumptions we hold about our own sexuality as men, and the sexuality of women, that were conditioned by our culture, taught, or based on flawed observations of girls in our interactions with them while young.

    There is nothing wrong with being a nice boy if that’s your innate disposition. You can still be a very nice boy and have some balls. It’s better to be a nice man, than a nice boy, but the point still stands. You can be yourself in a good way, or you can be yourself in a bad way. You can be yourself and still find love, still find romance, still find pretty girls who like you for what you are, IF you can present what you are in a non-needy way. You are not comfortable with yourself, you are comfortable with settling. There is a difference. What women want, just as what men want, all alike centers on certain core things.. But in this there is immense diversity.

    Some women really prefer a kind nurturing nice man to cuddle with and make love to, over a thug to fuck and split. She will generally still want said nice guy to not be bloody passive and take a risk now and then and take a lead in some things. In particular in bed.

    There is a difference between sexual dominance and social dominance. You lack the later, in your constant put down’s of yourself, but deep down inside you have the former – part of you is very sexually aggressive and frankly into some kinky shit, it shows in your rather jaded porn tastes.
    There are plenty of attractive women in the world who want Woody Allen types, the question is what do you bring to the table? You have something but you refuse to, refuse to, pull it out. It has nothing to do with what you think of as “game” in a limited sense. It has everything to do with becoming comfortable in your own skin, and learning to move through the world without constant apologies for being you.

    Am I making any sense?

    Doug1 beat me to saying a few things, but to again, the point is that a LOT of this alpha/beta male, alpha/beta female, dichotomy, and biological determinism is exaggerated by many people. One for ideological purposes, as we reify our worldviews into a personal social and political ideology it is simply the path of least resistance to take supports from biology and nature and run with it. There is GREAT truth to some ideas but there are always great exceptions to rules, dictated by environment and culture, and the fact that we do not even understand the biological rules, scientifically, to a great degree. Human knowledge of genetics and biology is very limited, though it expands constantly. Much of the current state of biology does support many traditional assumptions about male and female nature. Much of it DOES to anyone who honestly looks into it, honestly, support an essentialist argument. That nature comes before nurture.

    But it is idiotic to deny nurture a role. It shapes our raw biological material, examining the vast differences between cultures among homogeneous and heterogeneous racial groups alike, shows the role of culture. German women, and Dutch women, act very different from English women in many ways, in spite of having common origins and also great similarities. Sephardic Jews and Yemeni Arabs have very different trait sin spite of sharing many similar ones and having a common origin. Nigerians, American Blacks, and Haitians have huge differences while having huge similarities as well. Culture matters just as genes matter. You may have an innate identity to yourself but it is molded by your familiar culture and history, as well as your wider external culture. I contend that much of what you think is the real you is simply a constructed identity for safety.

    ”*Hint: David may be a bit more “alpha” (non-asshole) in real life at certain moments than may appear online.”

    Well, duh. I could’ve told you that. But thank you David for admitting it.

    ”Once you see lots of anecdotes tied together, you tend to conflate it with data, and presume that all women are like that,”

    Again, duh. Need I say more? You’ve constructed paper tigers in your head to ease the pain of existence…

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  666. on May 24, 2009 at 4:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    well yea saw that one coming but if those where choices.

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  667. on May 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm Bhetti

    Lady Rain: Ha at ‘duly noted’, although did he say you were ugly?

    What I saw thug of my life expressing was the anxiety that certain relationships that involve children are not given enough of a chance and enough work before aborted. It’s a painful idea. Rather than discussing what makes abuse itself as much. I love my family, I know they were physically abusive and I know being put into care or leaving them would’ve been miles more damaging for me. It’s dysfunctional but it works better than the alternatives.

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  668. on May 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    The hell are you on about? I post links to couple of pictures of you and suddenly I’m insulting your appearance all day?ALL DAY? Get a grip! I don’t care if you respond or not I posted so the other commenter’s on this forum can feast on your ugly carcass. The fact that so many people on this page seem to be indulging has indeed warped your sense of reality. I wasn’t even going to reply until I saw your inane retort. I wont respond to you again! Seriously I blame the guys on here……..

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  669. on May 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm David Alexander

    You think I’m an ugly slut and want to make sure I’m aware you feel this way.

    At minimum, you’re a pretty slut, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

    Cuckolding is not new. What’s new is that laws and mores have changed to make it less risky for women to do it

    If you believe like Whiskey that women will put their children in harm’s way to have sex with alphas, then there’s nothing preventing women from dumping their children on their husbands to go have sex with alphas, and maintain custody of the superior alpha child.

    The real problem is that the wiring isn’t there, and while it’s not actively used, it’s presence is a threat to any beta male to the point that it may not be worth the risk of disappointment by engaging in a long-term relationship.

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  670. on May 24, 2009 at 4:37 pm xsplat

    Tupac

    A man can strive to be both, but women don’t usually judge a man in isolation — she judges him relative to other men.

    Society is already isolated. Many people don’t mingle much. Sometimes when people date they see mostly each other, and rarely get many chances to flirt. This keeps women succeptible to her man’s frame.

    Now all men have to do is have a frame.

    Keeping competition away from a woman isn’t all that difficult. IF the man can fuck.

    I don’t get all this talk of how women hate having sex with betas. That’s bullshit. A man who can fuck like an alpha can keep a woman. And I don’t care what job you hold, it’s possible to learn the esoteric arts, with a few years of dilligent training. Meditation, chi-kung, yoga, kundalini-sex – there are many ways to subtly feel ones body and gain mastery of ones energies. Even a skinny little geek can keep a woman in his epoxytocin web.

    It’s a mystery to me why people don’t put a great deal more effort into their sex lives than they do.

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  671. on May 24, 2009 at 4:38 pm Marcus Aureliette

    gregi:
    yea every chick that comes on here except for marcus aurelios gives their email adress to the whole blog.

    Hee! And it took me about 8 months to even post under a consistent pseudonym! 😀

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  672. on May 24, 2009 at 4:41 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “I’m not. I’m talking about “wiring” or “underlying motivations and urges” — “strategy” on the genetic, gamete level, not the conscious level.”

    I’m not much into gamete level strategies, but …. if we gonna go there, it’s important to remember that the unit of evolution is not the individual but the population (and fitness at the population level differs from fitness and contentment at the individual level). I’m sure that an argument can be made that certain degree of cuckolding is good for overall population fitness (though some individuals might not like it much if they come to know about it).

    There are also degrees of scale. A man with six kids might not be too devastated to find out #4 isn’t biologically his (or he be deeply hurt but also realize there’s no way to rid himself of #4 without doing harm to the rest and/or himself). A man with one kid is going to have a very different viewpoint.

    My ultimate point is that both men and women are programmed to desire sexual variety. Period. How that plays out will vary by sex (and some other factors). But the idea that women on the whole have a _strategy_ (even at the gamete level) to cuckold is not so insightful.

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  673. on May 24, 2009 at 4:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I thought it made you unique.

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  674. on May 24, 2009 at 4:48 pm Bhetti

    Doug:

    Gunny–

    Yea but doug if you where a wealthy man who would you feel more comfortable marrying rain or welmers ex. He He He

    Bhetti.

    *shock* Don’t. even. say. it.

    Not that image.

    I may cry.

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  675. on May 24, 2009 at 4:52 pm xsplat

    Nova

    The underlying cause is that pair bonding is not as necessary as it once was, and if it isn’t needed, many will dispense with it because noone really likes to make a compromise if they do not need to do so.

    Nova, haven’t you ever had a woman in love with you?

    I agree that some women are taking the slut role for their life. Regardless, women do fall in love. They always will. It’s biological.

    Women will always pair bond, and as always, many of those bonds will be with guys who are not “alpha”.

    Your argument is extrapolating on a trend, which is false logic. The changing enviroment that occurs because of these social changes will alter the trend. Think of population. Thirty years ago we didn’t know that rich countries eventually swing to negative population growth. Earlier extrapolations would have their populations exploding by now.

    The basics of female behaviour allow for some of the variability you point to – but women are still women – they can’t help but fall in love. Especially those who haven’t had a lot of deep orgasms with a lot of men. Which, regardless of how slutty the girl, happens to be a lot of them, because most guys can’t fuck to save their parent’s lives.

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  676. on May 24, 2009 at 4:57 pm David Alexander

    It likely has something to do with massive over-consumption of porn.

    Actually, I was into that before porn, and I started watching porn because it was filled with women who had nails. If a scene features a girl with nails, I’m unlikely to bother unless the girl was very attractive. In contrast, I’d tolerate b cup girls if they have nails, look good, have an ass, and give decent head.

    Oh, that and the fact that lots of middle class raised nice guys like him really, really, deep down inside have a thing for trashy women.

    Trashy girls are more likely to wear sexually suggestive clothes, and for the nice guy/beta provider, I suspect there’s a desire to “save her” and keep her for your own personal fun. Of course, I’d wonder if our increasingly IQ stratified world if relationships between trashy girls and beta providers have gone down compared to the past, and if these is exacerbating the IQ gap.

    White trailer trash girls, black ghetto trash girls, Latina cholitas who do that cute thing with the dark lipstick.

    It’s a selective beauty in the case of all three groups. If one is planning on slumming around, at minimum, aim for the hottest looking of the trashy women, and ensure condom use.

    On this page, local town harlots sometimes wind up with strange crushes on local passive nice guys.

    My Russian friend jokes around that the white girl of my dreams isn’t Wellesley Queen, but her evil alter-ego, the skanky/trashy guidoish white girl. She gets beta provider to take care of her, and I get woman that is sexually attractive enough to prevent cheating on my part. The downside is that I lack the attraction of the local alpha males despite a possibly higher income, and she could lack the intellect to understand me or genetic high IQ for my kids. Plus, there’s the fear of the middle class family in terms of marrying into the lower class family, especially if they’re blatantly trashy. As you pointed out, it’s easier to deal with classier women if your interests are intellectual, high-brow or focused away from popular culture.

    Of course, stereotypes do prevail in the minds of most, preventing most of these unions from ever occurring since the men think they’re unwanted.

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  677. on May 24, 2009 at 4:58 pm Eurosabra

    XSplat,

    I can assure you that one of the things that brought me to pick-up was the fact that my height and presentation prevented me from getting laid, because the cultural image of my ethnicity–Jewish–was such that the very real reality of my capacity to induce multiple orgasms was only very rarely demonstrated in practice. If her frontal brain says she can’t get wet for a guy who looks like you (98.5% of American women are non-Jewish) the benefits you provide to those who can and do are irrelevant, particularly if your success rate as a short, extroverted beta is 1 in 250, as mine was.

    I agree with Roissy that irrational optimism is better than realistic pessimism, and I’m trying to get there.

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  678. on May 24, 2009 at 5:00 pm novaseeker

    If you believe like Whiskey that women will put their children in harm’s way to have sex with alphas, then there’s nothing preventing women from dumping their children on their husbands to go have sex with alphas, and maintain custody of the superior alpha child.

    Dave Alex —

    I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that women are wired to “dump” their children on their husbands to pursue alphasex and alphathug kids. I’m happy to look at some if you can put your hands on it, but I’ve never seen anything that indicates that women are wired to abandon their kids under those circumstances.

    if we gonna go there, it’s important to remember that the unit of evolution is not the individual but the population (and fitness at the population level differs from fitness and contentment at the individual level). I’m sure that an argument can be made that certain degree of cuckolding is good for overall population fitness (though some individuals might not like it much if they come to know about it).

    Hmmm. I thought that group selection was pretty thoroughly debunked and that the majority view is that selection works on the individual level — selfish gene and all that?

    But even if we are on the group selection level, yes, there can be arguments that cuckolding and male cheating alike offer group benefits by sifting the gene pool more thoroughly.

    My ultimate point is that both men and women are programmed to desire sexual variety. Period. How that plays out will vary by sex (and some other factors). But the idea that women on the whole have a _strategy_ (even at the gamete level) to cuckold is not so insightful.

    I would say men and women alike are programmed to desire both pair bonding *and* extra pair sex. The strategies around extra pair sex will vary by sex, and also by environmental factors which may favor the selection of certain strategies over others. I think simply saying “men and women alike like sexual variety” is too glib.

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  679. on May 24, 2009 at 5:02 pm Bhetti

    Actually, DA, I have a male cousin who was about four or six years old and an older woman walks by with a short skirt and heels. The boy then wolf whistles at her and so on. My brother honest-to-God blushed once he realised what was happening. This male cousin normally lives in the Emirates.

    Hmm.

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  680. on May 24, 2009 at 5:06 pm doug1

    Bhetti–

    Oh god, that was thoughtless.

    It was fast and impulsive.

    It was about how in addition to being so attractive to me, you’re about as good a bet on loyal as I know, or really even imagine, living within an Anglosphere country. You see I had a POINT. *Thoughtless*

    You know I’m much too old for you darlin, my little just barely no longer a teen minx, certainly for that, even though i don’t want you thinking about that all the time.

    Now I have to remind you of that and of other difficulties. Because I’m not really a thug.

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  681. on May 24, 2009 at 5:06 pm novaseeker

    Nova, haven’t you ever had a woman in love with you?

    I agree that some women are taking the slut role for their life. Regardless, women do fall in love. They always will. It’s biological.

    Women will always pair bond, and as always, many of those bonds will be with guys who are not “alpha”.

    Your argument is extrapolating on a trend, which is false logic. The changing enviroment that occurs because of these social changes will alter the trend. Think of population. Thirty years ago we didn’t know that rich countries eventually swing to negative population growth. Earlier extrapolations would have their populations exploding by now.

    The basics of female behaviour allow for some of the variability you point to – but women are still women – they can’t help but fall in love. Especially those who haven’t had a lot of deep orgasms with a lot of men. Which, regardless of how slutty the girl, happens to be a lot of them, because most guys can’t fuck to save their parent’s lives.

    @xsplat

    I think I am not expressing myself well, perhaps.

    I am not suggesting that women do not fall in love or do not desire pair bonds. I think I said above that most women do desire pair bonds. What I am saying in the passage you quoted is that on the margins, these are the trends. I have no crystal ball, and I am certainly not saying that I know these trends will continue uninterrupted. All I am saying there is that these are trends, and they lead in one direction, for the time being, and not another. Increasing numbers of women are having kids outside marriage, and marriage rates have been in a steady decline for years. I’m not suggesting that I know that these trends will continue — who knows? But I think we can point to where they are leading if they are not stopped at some stage.

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  682. on May 24, 2009 at 5:12 pm David Alexander

    I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that women are wired to “dump” their children on their husbands to pursue alphasex and alphathug kids.

    It’s based on the theory of single mothers allowing their kids to be mistreated by their boyfriends, or dumped off at family members to be taken care of. OTOH, thanks to instant messaging, my cousin and my niece talk to each other every day when they’re here, she’s warm and nurturing toward her.

    Anecdote Zone: Family friend divorced her high school sweetheart after twenty years, and left him with their twin daughters. A sad story given that it basically wrecked those kids and deprived them of a stable home life during that last two years of high school, and basically ruined their ability to complete college.

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  683. on May 24, 2009 at 5:14 pm Lady Rain

    Hollywood,

    If you weren’t such a retard you’d have already seen that whomever wanted to see what I looked like already did. Also, yes…. the fact that you posted not once but twice regarding my looks/character without you and I ever having so much as spoken or debated on anything tells me you’re a douche that is doing the equivalent of this:

    “Okay…. lets see…. I’m not very smart, so I don’t want to post anything relevant, but I really fucking hate women and want to make that clear. Wait! Here’s a chick!!! OMG there’s pictures…. hey you! woman!!! Listen to me!!! You’re ugly! *chuckles to himself and waits*…. okay….. HEY!!! YOU’RE A SLUT!!! hahahaha *chuckles to himself some more*…. man…. I sure showed that cunt what’s up!”

    *Slinks off to the basement feeling very satisfied that he managed to smite a woman today….and prays his mother doesn’t come downstairs and catch him jerking it to her bra magazines again*

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  684. on May 24, 2009 at 5:14 pm novaseeker

    It’s based on the theory of single mothers allowing their kids to be mistreated by their boyfriends, or dumped off at family members to be taken care of. OTOH, thanks to instant messaging, my cousin and my niece talk to each other every day when they’re here, she’s warm and nurturing toward her.

    Anecdote Zone: Family friend divorced her high school sweetheart after twenty years, and left him with their twin daughters. A sad story given that it basically wrecked those kids and deprived them of a stable home life during that last two years of high school, and basically ruined their ability to complete college.

    Dave Alex —

    Interesting. But the converse behavior — that is taking the kids with her — is far more common. I wonder whether the kind of behavior you describe is more of an aberration than an adaptation — but it’s interesting.

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  685. on May 24, 2009 at 5:17 pm David Alexander

    Increasing numbers of women are having kids outside marriage, and marriage rates have been in a steady decline for years.

    Stupid Pet Tricks: It’s inherently easier to get Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Section 8 if you are unmarried with children, than married with kids. In other words, to get the useful types of government assistance, there is no incentive to get married. The fathers may live with their children, and the kids will lie to social service employees about their knowledge of their fathers, but in an alternate world, it’s likely that these couples would have been married. I also suspect that shotgun weddings have become post-birth weddings with the lack of stigma toward illegitimate pregnancy. It may not amount to much, but it certainly skews the numbers.

    Hell, I wonder how many girls who are angry at their mothers get pregnant on purpose to move out of their homes and find their own place to live.

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  686. on May 24, 2009 at 5:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    So marcus aurelious you have been here a while. Think I am going on 4 years total between rhoosh and here. Maybe give a first name so I can at least picture a woman he he he

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  687. on May 24, 2009 at 5:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dang lady rain I could use you as my attack chick.

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  688. on May 24, 2009 at 5:32 pm Bhetti

    Doug: I’m sorry, don’t be upset, I’m just being sensitive (compounded by talk of babies). I know, I know, I know, I don’t need to be reminded.

    I’ll always have Doug jr. Well, until he dies. Apparently, they’re meant to live for eight years in a home aquarium but I don’t know how old he currently is. Not always, just 4-ever, with all these Dougs. But that’s enough and has to be.

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  689. on May 24, 2009 at 5:33 pm David Alexander

    It’s like biting half of the red pill and choking on it.

    I found the purple pill. 🙂

    There is nothing wrong with being a nice boy if that’s your innate disposition. You can still be a very nice boy and have some balls.

    I agree with you. There’s nothing wrong about saying no, and it’s probably the best thing you can do as a nice boy because it prevents bitterness and over extension. It’s definitely better for one’s mental health too if you’re inclined to such behaviour.

    As I like to say, even betas can have a backbone.

    sexual dominance and social dominance

    I don’t think that I’m sexually aggressive. I may watch a lot of porn with sexually aggressive women, but I don’t think that it automatically proves that so you may have to explain yourself.

    Again, duh. Need I say more? You’ve constructed paper tigers in your head to ease the pain of existence…

    To be honest, the paper tigers make for great conversation and intellectual arguments on the part of the debaters here, and they buffer the real reason as to why I really haven’t bothered to go out and deal with women.

    Mind you, the paper tigers aren’t made up fantasies, but a reaction from one has read on the internet and seen from real world experience. Of course, you like many other non-game beta male bloggers may share similar sentiments, but if you have a somewhat childish or immature perspective, the idea of girls liking me doesn’t seem to ring true due to the lack of women running up and saying “I find you attractive, let’s fuck”. In other words, in some beta males, unless the interest is blatantly stated, most will presume that they’re unwanted and conclude that the girl who is being nice to them is just really friendly, not interested. If one is told by other friends (both male and female) about the attraction, they tend to dismiss it or in some cases deny it for some other reason.

    Thus, take a beta male who pretty much refuses to identify (or can’t do so) female attraction and feed him info about how women are all cheating whores who will screw you over in divorce, and only want you for your beta provider wages, then the only conclusions is to avoid women or use them for short-term relationships.

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  690. on May 24, 2009 at 5:33 pm doug1

    Lady Rain

    *Slinks off to the basement feeling very satisfied that he managed to smite a woman today….and prays his mother doesn’t come downstairs and catch him jerking it to her bra magazines again*

    As feminist empowered insult rants go, I got to admit, that was pretty good and creative. The clincher: “bra magazines”.

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  691. on May 24, 2009 at 5:35 pm Rum

    Hotsauce.

    Don’t be stupid. She has a very nice ass. That counts for something. I mean, lots of people force us to look at their ugly asses everyday. She merely invites us to look at her rather nice one. The polite, well mannered sort of man should just say, “Thank you.”.

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  692. on May 24, 2009 at 5:40 pm Kamal S.

    For the record, to be frank, it becomes somewhat disingenuous for a man who is hanging around a blog whose primary theme revolves around a lifestyle focused on picking up sluts, to pick on a woman over her posting sexualized pictures of herself on the Internet. Freedom of speech, we can say what we will. This blog seems to be a zone of almost absolute freedom. Double standards exist for a reason, I see no hypocrisy in traditional double standards once understood properly (and many do not) but I’m talking about something more fundamental.

    Which is that Lady Rain is really being made into a locus upon which many people are fixating a general rage towards females, in particular sexually non-traditional women.

    Yes, I know, a single mom on a forum full of guys who have been often screwed over in the past in divorces, child custody battles, and in past marriages and long term relationships. Moreover one running around telling many guys who honestly had it very difficult to make connections with women in the past, that getting laid is easy, you guys are dolts, etc. So yes, she does sort of paint a glowing red target on her forehead. In particular because some of her posts haven’t exactly showed cognizance of the immense pain that many men go through and have gone through in these sort of issues.

    Gotta admire her spunk though. She thought she was reading bullshit and called it out. Contrarian’s complaints aside, I like it when a woman intelligently honestly cries bullshit.

    Many women do not understand a man’s side of the story, or they belittle it out of utter myopia and spite, but on the same hand many of us men do not or have not understood the world a woman lives in, this is the point, learning to understand each other, women and men, in order to make better erotic and romantic choices. Choices more true to our inner natures, to who and what we really are and were our passions lie..

    Many have known men who were all but destroyed in the matter of his children and his ex.. But that said, let’s try to avoid hypocrisy. I don’t have to remotely agree with her, her choices, or the reasons for her choices, but the fact is that she made choices, choices she’s trying to deal with as honorably as she can under the circumstances, and she’s not being a burden on the welfare state, she lives 1000 miles away from me and most people posting here, her life impacts me nil.
    So the point: Why begrudge her a picture of her ass? Granted if she didn’t want her ass commented on in public, she shouldn’t have posted it on the Internet, all the same why call her a slut for it?

    If you disagree with her relationship choices instead of belittling her pics and her ass (which isn’t too bad) why not just state your disagreements in a cogent way. Which some guys have done, aggressively, but cogently.

    For the last 3000 years of Western and Eastern history alike, women have been held to rigid sexual standards, for certain social and biological reasons. That said, so were men.
    The standards were different than our own today, but they were rigid. Take adultery, while polygamy has often been rife (and I do not subscribe to this romanticisation of western monogamous marriage, I think that this social form has caused more problems than it solved) as well as courtesans or similar forms of structured polygamy within which a man had sexual variety but also RESPONSIBILITIES, and VAST ones, adultery was always universally seen as a crime. Both for men and women. Historically it was often a quick path to a painful death or at least vast community dishonor. Dishonor that could only be settled by a duel (as quick a way to establish who is alpha as any)

    The rake was often an exception to the rule, he flouted social stigmas and made his own law, as a hedonist. But rakes were aristocrats and being a rake historically hasn’t exactly been normal male behavior, even for “alpha males”. So to embrace the identity of a rake while grossly condemning the female equivalent, the slut, does become a bit crass. And it is just crass to fuck a lot of girls and then belittle them for being sexualized or slutty. The idea of a hedonist picking on a sexual woman for not being a nun is almost ludicrous.

    The old order is dead, what survives is a zombie. A corpse that simply hasn’t had the sense to lay down yet. The values of the old order may have life. I hold many of its values, and values from a less decadent phase of it (it is strange how many people valorize the 1950s, as if they never read any of the complaints conservatives in the 40s and 50s were making about the decadence of their own age…)

    One value I hold is some degree of fair sport and chivalry. In this atmosphere it is necessary for a man to reflect on who he is, what he stands for, and why he stands for such things. A manly non needy embrace of our sexuality, based on living desire and passion, with willing women, is a different thing than a sexuality that has at its roots the need for revenge. And a manly embrace of the self-held obligation to be civil and non petty is something important to me. Perhaps not to you. We are all different.

    Whatever I may or may not think, or know, of her lifestyle choices and child rearing, why loathe her for not being marriage material when she admits that she doesn’t want to be marriage material anyway? Why loathe her sexuality as a symbol of social disorder and the collapse of the Western order, when this blog plays the role of world wiery decadence and joy in social collapse well?
    Why loathe her for bringing a son into the world in an unmarried condition (which is one of my pet peves, I can’t stand the fact that people see no problem with bastardry. It just means they haven’t thought things out) Statistically single parenthood is highly problematic and a sub-optimal way to rear kids, fucks ‘em up in the head even in subtle ways, a sign of social collapse, and so on. But consider this, how many ‘pick up artists” are running around raw dogging girls left and right? In any case her boy is born already, would conservatives rather she’d aborted him? Again, is the same rage leveled at a guy running around increasing his notches bare-backing hundreds of girls? No, well now, that’s pretty damn socially irresponsible behavior.
    I contend that people are making Lady Rain into a symbol for other things, I contend that among the MANY things this culture has lost was a fundamental sense of fair sport and graciousness towards women.
    So on this note, fuck it if I’m going to be called a beta punk, it is damn unsporting to rake the girl over the coals in this way, irrespective of whether or not she bought some flack on herself by posting in the way she initially did, it’s fucking bad form.
    Even if you think she’s a slut, there is the loss of moral capital – how can one bring out the bloody inquisition condemn if one’s chased sluts himself? I’ve had a small share of sluts in my life. They have made some moments of my life very pleasant in certain ways. Really, what is the anger for? What are we angry about? Is it her? Or is it what she represents to you?
    Is she becoming a symbol for every woman who may have rejected, turned down, lied to, cheated on, us? Is she a symbol of our ex wives and ex girlfriends? Is she a symbol of ourselves, and things within ourselves that disgust us?
    Are we projecting these things onto her? Do these things say more about ourselves? The standing gender and sexual order in our culture has brought much pain to many people. It has brought confusion to lives, ruined families, wounded little children growing up, and replicated its excesses with each continual generation. I contend that all of us are symbols of this disorder and that what we hate in others may be a reflection of something in ourselves. So go ahead and flame me. Let it begin already.

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  693. on May 24, 2009 at 5:43 pm Default User

    Bhetti

    they’re meant to live for eight years in a home aquarium

    You do know that you have to clean the aquarium fairly regularly, don’t you?

    It is a messy, not very pleasant task.

    [My one contribution to this thread today is about goldfish, what can I say?]

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  694. on May 24, 2009 at 5:43 pm doug1

    Bhetti–

    I’ll always have Doug jr. Well, until he dies. … Not always, just 4-ever, with all these Dougs. But that’s enough and has to be.

    *master heart strings puller of the female variety.*

    That of course makes me wish I hadn’t issued those reminders and lead you to be more practically minded. Sort of.

    *sigh* The two sides of my nature are in pitched battle over the B girl just now.

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  695. on May 24, 2009 at 5:57 pm Bhetti

    Default: ARE YOU ACCUSING ME — A SCIENTIST — OF NOT THOROUGHLY RESEARCHING MY BABY’S NEEDS?! SHAME ON YOU! SHAAAME! [I’ve ordered a special pump for it. Will also need to change filter & put some extra treatment etc. No problems. All covered.]

    Doug: Would that I could pluck out the heart of your mystery…

    No need to be conflicted. I can take it. Any of it.

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  696. on May 24, 2009 at 6:01 pm PA

    Wow Kamal, you are a writing machine, aren’t you!

    Anyway, you write interestingly so it’s usually worth one’s while to read through the entire length of your comment. I also like how you have enough of a conservative sensibility to temper your other ‘carpe diem’ points of view.

    With regards to ‘carpe diem,’ it’s too easy an attitude to front in a disembodying medium such as blog comments.

    You make fair points with regards to Lady Rain and I too acknowledged her as being “not trashy or stupid” early in this thread.

    My advice to her was to find a beta guy her age or an older/divorced alpha guy whom she can give another child. A solution that would work. Her flip high-schoolish response (at her age!) is what turned my judgment of her for the sour.

    You are right in that there is merit in her handling the venom here and continuing to talk about her private life in a civil way. But to me personally, immature mothers are something I’ve seen a bit of in real life and I loathe what it does to these women’s put-upon family and to her sons. Those bad mothers will, one way or another, learn the oldest of sayings, “you reap what you saw” — with their children paying the price.

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  697. on May 24, 2009 at 6:03 pm Chic Noir

    @tupac- pinhead=roissy ?

    PA ….about shouting thomas WITH undying love for his (late) wife and dedication to being a good provider (the man just finished nursing school!)

    ST posts about his deceased wife touch a part of my heart in the same way that Whiskey does 🙂
    No lie, I once shed a few tears after reading a ST he wrote to his late wife.

    *shrugs shoulders*
    sometimes I can be such a girl.

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  698. on May 24, 2009 at 6:03 pm doug1

    Hollywood–

    Posting a pic of your pantied butt and backside more generally (even with a hint of the bottom curvature of her breast) on a Myspace page is not an especially slutty thing to do in the current zeitgeist. It’s not a really good thing to do either, but you should get around more.

    Besides most of us here, or the alphas anyway and a good number of the hopeful and in training betas like sluts to play with and bang, to supplement the semi good girls we are semi corrupting. Most bordering on all of us alphas and betas studying up alike don’t think they’re good to marry or have kids with certainly when over a certain line and conviction level about the goodness of sluttiness. Lady Rain seems well over that line by what she’s said here. But not nearly so much because of that pic.

    Distinctions matter and what you aim at matters.

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  699. on May 24, 2009 at 6:04 pm novaseeker

    The standing gender and sexual order in our culture has brought much pain to many people. It has brought confusion to lives, ruined families, wounded little children growing up, and replicated its excesses with each continual generation. I contend that all of us are symbols of this disorder and that what we hate in others may be a reflection of something in ourselves. So go ahead and flame me. Let it begin already.

    @Kamal —

    Better to discuss this than to argue for chivalry. Chivalry is a part of the zombie, as you call it. It should also have the sense to die off.

    But your point here in the quoted passage is important. Is the focus of our anger (and that anger is mostly justified, I think, by men and women alike, for very different reasons) really a redirection of something inside ourselves which we find unsavory?

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  700. on May 24, 2009 at 6:05 pm Chic Noir

    Aoefe Yes I’ve seen the heat here, not really felt it, but I’m sure my times a comin. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen is what my mama used to say (not really, but it sounded good).
    When the heat comes remember that they are just men aoefe, sometimes they can’t help it. It always conquer and defeat for them.

    Aoefe A man should be the HOH (Head of House) and a man worth his salt will take this responsibility seriously and not abuse the power. A woman has the right to weigh in on decisions of course, but the final vote goes to the man
    Oh darling for now you are just fine. As long as you continue stuff like the above, they will leave you alone.

    Jack we cannot forget that retribution and harsh penalties will have to be inflicted on all the feminists and their male sympathizers who made us have to do this in the first place. Remember that.
    Please explain what those penalites and retribution will entail.

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  701. on May 24, 2009 at 6:07 pm Default Goldfish

    Bhetti

    You also have to empty the tank, scrape down the sides and clear all the droppings from the bottom.

    [It really does say it all about my energy/motivation today that my contributions are on fish care.]

    [But at least I got a reaction from Bhetti, so that is something.]

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  702. on May 24, 2009 at 6:08 pm Bhetti

    PA: Kamal’s comments would be awesome as speeches, I’m thinking. The way he writes just goes naturally to an explosive conclusion. ‘LET IT BEGIN!’

    Kamal: Seriously, when am I going to have your book and is your commenting detracting from this?

    Default: Also, medical student + messy = it’s just dirty water, dude.

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  703. on May 24, 2009 at 6:09 pm Arpagus

    David Alexander:

    the idea of girls liking me doesn’t seem to ring true due to the lack of women running up and saying “I find you attractive, let’s fuck

    That’s strange, because according to the consensus over at the Overcoming Bias blog, men are usually too optimistic about their chances with women rather than too pessimistic:

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/01/biased_courtshi.html

    Maybe a beta male is just someone who lacks the delusion that he is attractive to women? And game is essentially about instilling that bias so one can be willing to bother enough women to get laid. At least that is pretty much how I understand it.

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  704. on May 24, 2009 at 6:10 pm doug1

    PA–

    My advice to her was to find a beta guy her age or an older/divorced alpha guy whom she can give another child. A solution that would work. Her flip high-schoolish response (at her age!) is what turned my judgment of her for the sour.

    I agree with every part of this comment.

    Though for me her response to what your wrote, and the entirely self absorbed and entitled way in which responded, is what what turned it strongly sour again.

    I had been beginning to warm to her, after initially going after her in the spirit of making a shaming example of a single mother who was and continued to be that by proud choice. Her response to you highlighted for me that that quick take of mine had in fact been accurate.

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  705. on May 24, 2009 at 6:10 pm PA

    sometimes I can be such a girl

    That’s why you’re one of my favorites.

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  706. on May 24, 2009 at 6:10 pm Bhetti

    Default: All meaningless in the name of fishy love.

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  707. on May 24, 2009 at 6:14 pm Lady Rain

    PA–

    I think you took my flippant response to your suggestion a bit too seriously. It was meant with about 50% seriousness.

    Going off what Kamal just said: If I were to take your advice and go get an older/divorced alpha guy and marry him and have another child with him, wouldn’t I then be accused of being the succubi demon that so many of you loathe? So in choosing to NOT marry I am “immature” and not realizing what this will do to my son (ie: selfish).

    However once again, marrying ANY man is still taking a chance that he could have a worse influence than the original (his father) and worse than just having a mother. (as things stand now for me)

    So let’s just say for the sake of argument that a week from now I married an older/divorcee alpha man. He ends up being a total asshole who treats my son like shit. What would most of the men here say to that? Well that’s what she deserves for trying to leech onto some man with a child that’s not his.

    My point here is that what Kamal said is true. No matter WHICH option I chose there are always going to be men that hate me regardless and just use my “choice” as the catalyst for an argument against women in general.

    Basically I’d be damned if I do …. and damned if I don’t.

    Kamal hit on exactly what I was trying to purvey here in not so many words. How can you sit here and talk about the many ways to “experience women and life” to the fullest using questionable methods and then turn on a woman who is essentially the female version of yourselves?? Refusing to be “pushed” into the popular thought pattern that I’d better hurry and find a man before it’s too late is the same thing you gentlemen are doing in “refusing to be the beta-whipped man who marries a woman to avoid being a man-whore or lonely old man”. My refusal/personal choice to NOT marry-up as expected is the same as your choice to NOT bow down to the feminist standards society is pushing on you.

    It is exactly what Kamal said “Nothing so clearly represents a man’s character as the joke he resents.”

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  708. on May 24, 2009 at 6:18 pm Comment_Whatever

    Kamal S. wrote:


    Yes, I know, a single mom on a forum full of guys who have been often screwed over in the past in divorces, child custody battles, and in past marriages and long term relationships. Moreover one running around telling many guys who honestly had it very difficult to make connections with women in the past, that getting laid is easy, you guys are dolts, etc. So yes, she does sort of paint a glowing red target on her forehead. In particular because some of her posts haven’t exactly showed cognizance of the immense pain that many men go through and have gone through in these sort of issues.

    Gotta admire her spunk though. She thought she was reading bullshit and called it out. Contrarian’s complaints aside, I like it when a woman intelligently honestly cries bullshit.

    Since Western Women such as herself rely on Captain-Save-A-Hoe and Political Correctness to protect them, I kinda don’t have to admire her spunk, fool.

    Honestly, Captain-Save-A-Hoe, she was QUITE CLEAR on the Hero thread that men should kneel down and take it. Period.

    Lady Rain said:

    To make a really angry/pathetic criminal your hero and/or alpha male doesn’t even make any sense….it just shows the caliber of people that agree with you are reduced to “random old dude who really stuck it to his old lady”. In actuality he ran like a pussy and hid. If he were an “alpha-male” he’d have told the justice system to suck his balls and have taken the punishment like a man.

    Take his punishment like a man. Unjust. Insane. Hardly matters, does it? A REAL MAN does as he is told. Mere concepts of Fairness are beneath her dirty little angel self.

    She has at no point shown any interest in anything but her demands. Men are animals, but they better ACT like people.
    Of course, that’s only an ACT to get in her pants. Not that she’ll let them into her pants, OH NO, they are animals. That are expected to act like people.

    And she’s a little dirty angel. Look at her web-page.

    Men are animals and she is an angel.

    Listen, Captain-Save-A-Hoe, we are getting at the point where I kinda wonder what limits I’m supposed to have. At what point does Captain-Save-A-Hoe give me permission(not that I’m asking) to make a moderate comment?

    Kamal S. rambled:

    So on this note, fuck it if I’m going to be called a beta punk, it is damn unsporting to rake the girl over the coals in this way, irrespective of whether or not she bought some flack on herself by posting in the way she initially did, it’s fucking bad form.

    You know why your an idiot Kamal? I’ll put it pretty simply. If she wants to be Battle Whore, she can go to any of the dozens/hundreds of forums where Battle Whore’s can ‘fight’ filthy men under that watchful protection of dozens of Captain Save-A-Hoe’s.

    Men don’t have dozens of forums like that. We have very few. This forums presents the man’s point of view. If people want balance, then, Mr. Captain Save-A-Hoe, they can turn on the TV, or go to any of hundreds of websites and get the female’s point of view.

    So go Save-A-Hoe there. Hey, or maybe you could talk to the Feminist websites about balance.

    Wanna bet how many seconds till they ban you?

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  709. on May 24, 2009 at 6:19 pm Bhetti

    Default: All meaningless in the name of fishy love.

    Oh, the horrid stuff I’ve seen and done, is best not named in the light of morn…

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  710. on May 24, 2009 at 6:24 pm David Alexander

    My advice to her was to find a beta guy her age or an older/divorced alpha guy whom she can give another child. A solution that would work. Her flip high-schoolish response (at her age!) is what turned my judgment of her for the sour.

    The problem is that how many men want to really be in that position. Yeah, she might luck out with a David Alexander type with a hero complex who may see “instant family that I could save”, but she’d drive the guy crazy and possibly leave him too which will leave a scorched beta male or an even further depressed divorced guy. Her flippant response is probably indicative of that fact that she’s not willing to allow another man in her life that she may have to kick out, and while it may not be practical, it saves her son from losing the guy that he may identify with as a father figure, or being the mommy’s boy who grows up to become a beta because he doesn’t want to make women unhappy in the same way how “daddy made mommy unhappy and cry privately”.

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  711. on May 24, 2009 at 6:29 pm PA

    — So let’s just say for the sake of argument that a week from now I married an older/divorcee alpha man. He ends up being a total asshole who treats my son like shit.

    Well, the idea is that the guy is a stand-up type whom you’d have screened for decent attitude toward your son. For all the talk here about one’s genetic destiny, lots of older guys who for one reason or another never married, would bond with a step-son.

    Imagine, for example, a 48-year old guy, an alpha in good shape with a decent job. He’d prize your youth relative to his age, and he’d be happy to have a kid or two with you.

    And your current son — guys like to bond with and mentor little dudes. Especially spirited spunky ones. That’s what we do — witness the barrage of love & life advice for David Alexander.

    Of course, for this to occur, you’d have to look proactively for such a guy. And use your better judgement in choosing him.

    — My point here is that what Kamal said is true. No matter WHICH option I chose there are always going to be men that hate me

    It doesn’t matter if some pixles on a blog comment thread hate you. It matters what your son will feel for you in 10-20-40 years.

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  712. on May 24, 2009 at 6:30 pm David Alexander

    No matter WHICH option I chose there are always going to be men that hate me regardless and just use my “choice” as the catalyst for an argument against women in general.

    Welcome to the blog! 😛

    Regardless, admittedly, any decision you would have taken would have lead to some type of scorn from somebody at some point. Having an abortion would have been seen as irresponsible, staying married to an alcoholic would have been seen as fitting punishment for somebody who was attracted to those men, and staying single without kids would draw the ire of those who think you should have been married already with kids. In other words, if you’re going to play here, get a fire suit on and get ready to take the burns. Even with years of game and short-term flings, inside of these men still lives the beta males that were turned down for an alpha.

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  713. on May 24, 2009 at 6:34 pm PA

    Yeah, she might luck out with a David Alexander type with a hero complex who may see “instant family that I could save”,

    I thing it’s likely a higher-beta her own age could be “trained” to act like an alpha and not a wuss with her. Even if she needs to sit him down and tell him that she does not want him to apologize / snivle / seek her approval, etc. Guys are trainable.

    And older childless divorced guy who isn’t a beta will not feel duped being with her, if he gets to have kids of his won with her (and if she treats him right)

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  714. on May 24, 2009 at 6:41 pm Bhetti

    *commits an act of violence upon DA* How dare you speak with thine analysis, beta! Back to thine non-existing basement symbol, which feminists doth despise despite beta support of their feminist ways! Yea, you know not your place. Well ye know yer backbone is blasphemy to The Beta Way.

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  715. on May 24, 2009 at 6:41 pm Tood

    More Misandry here :

    Where are the lost men on college campuses?

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  716. on May 24, 2009 at 6:47 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Lady your like a dead cadaverous rabbit that I really should ignore unfortunately I cant help poking to I amuse myself. And what wrong with jerking off to bra magazines its worth it when I get to spunk the hot jizz on your face afterwards. For the record people I don’t hate women it just sort off bugs me when horny men give attention to ugly barely “bangable” pump mules like our said “lady”.

    Doug1

    I’m well versed on what goes on here I’ve been a reader for over a year now and currently on a 12 month mastery programme with BradP i.e. I know what’s up. I don’t post much because I’m barely moved to. I’m just teasing kinda bored right now, need something to relieve college exam stress and our lady took the bait, its all good man.

    DH

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  717. on May 24, 2009 at 6:56 pm Rum

    Bhetti

    You probably will not enjoy reading this, but here it is: Lady Rain has posted pictures of her fine ass and you have not. So she wins in guy-land. Modesty has a huge cost nowadays.
    Dolly Parton might be clinically insane. On the other hand, she is worth about half a billion dollars.
    Guys TOTALLY respect the choices Dolly made.

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  718. on May 24, 2009 at 6:56 pm Bhetti

    DA: One of the tragedies with a well-adjusted man is that he needs to identify and have a better relationship with a male than with his mother, definitely not putting her on a non-realistic pedestal. So, a mother having a below par relationship with her son might turn out to be overall healthier for him as a man due to:
    — his lack of expectation that a woman’s perfect
    — lack of identifying with her feminised perspective
    — being independent and expecting to take care of things himself
    — trying to get his way, rather than being in alignment with hers.

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  719. on May 24, 2009 at 7:01 pm Chic Noir

    Rum to hotsauce
    Hotsauce The polite, well mannered sort of man should just say, “Thank you.”.
    agreed Obama, Clinton and Mu would. Hotsauce you should be happy as a man that so many women are giving you a peak for free. I bet your grandpa didn’t have so many outlets to look at good-looking women for free by grandma Mabel 🙂

    don’t hate appreciate 🙂

    Cliff arroyo My ultimate point is that both men and women are programmed to desire sexual variety

    Agreed but it bothers most men to think that there woman could possibly find another man attractive. Last summer women all across America were lusting over Michael Phelps body while at the same time wanting to put a paper bag over his face.

    Xsplat don’t get all this talk of how women hate having sex with betas. That’s bullshit. A man who can fuck like an alpha can keep a woman
    Cosign.
    And an alpha who can’t is just a wasted man in the eyes of many women.

    Maurice also, why do black women like prince? why do any women like prince?
    Maurice, from what I’ve heard, they like how Prince meshes “femine” and masculine qualities.

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  720. on May 24, 2009 at 7:08 pm Bhetti

    Rum: I’m not sure what I should be upset/surprised about… I mean, I have been reading comments like xsplat’s hate of ‘good girls’. I’m glad she wins in GuyLand, it can’t be just for nothing. Enjoy.

    On the other hand, I can send you my ridiculously overeducated overskilled Pole Alpha if you’re offering a placement. You will then totally win in This Girl’s (& Possibly Others) Land. [See how much you actually cared about that thar?]

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  721. on May 24, 2009 at 7:08 pm Chic Noir

    PA
    Is it still cuckoldry when a woman bears a child of her husband’s twin brother?

    If the twin brothers are identical we will never no who is the baby’s father. I wonder how a judge would decide child support in such a case.
    Congrats on your son. I was really hoping you would have a girl.

    lady rain don’t mean this to be cunty, but what is your thing with “nails”? It’s just funny to me because whenever I see those long awful acrylic nails painted with airbrush birds and butterflies it’s (in my mind) the clear mark of a woman with no taste. You genuinely find those trashy nails attractive?
    Some say the same thing about people with a body full of tattoos. They are no longer a marker of who is/not cool since everyone has one. To each his/her own

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  722. on May 24, 2009 at 7:10 pm Chic Noir

    Arpagus Naive Chic Noir has apparaently never heard of feminism.
    Yes I have

    Here is how it works: Women are incapable of consenting BECAUSE they are drunk. Men are still fully responsible for their actions and hence rapists DESPITE being drunk if the woman regrets sex. That double standard is the legal reality.
    I was giving mypersonal views on rape.
    hence rapists DESPITE being drunk if the woman regrets sex
    One :Does she regret it because it was bad? Or is the woman calling a man a rapist because she attempted to fight him off even when drunk? If you answer yes to the second question, I think it’s rape. If both were so drunk and can’t remember what happened, then at most it enters into the grey area of rape. Bottom line, leave drunk girls at the club alone and women shouldn’t get drunk in public.
    Two: women as a group aren’t in total agreement as to what constitutes rape beyond telling a man no and fighting to get him off. If you read any female centered websites that post rape stories you will find a lot of differing opinions as to what various women view as rape and the grey zone.
    .
    Kamal White trailer trash girls, black ghetto trash girls, Latina cholitas who do that cute thing with the dark lipstick. There is something inside many men that is stirred by flagrant examples of really tacky female sexual displays…
    yes kamal, I think your on to something. I would go further and say many drag queens and twinks use this knowledge to prey on men they can turn out.

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  723. on May 24, 2009 at 7:13 pm Lady Rain

    Doug–

    Why should I be ashamed? I think you mistake my “lack of shame” as me not taking responsibility for a bad choice (in choosing his father, that is). I’m aware I made a bad choice, but don’t feel like I should be ashamed of having done so. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone falls for an asshole/bitch at least once in their lives. If you didn’t …. NONE of us would have anything to talk about here.

    The only difference is the TYPES of mistakes that are made. I have held myself accountable for my choice ever since the day my son was conceived and have cared for him as responsibly as a parent can given the situation. I don’t feel “shame” because I own up to my mistake and poor taste and thus take the heat for my choice as well. (including financially and physically/mentally)

    I don’t feel like I have to be shameful for making a human error as long as I am doing my best to not make the same mistake again and to make up for my poor choice by raising my son in a household where if nothing else…. sees his mother work her ass off at a physical job without complaining that some “man” is responsible for my “plight”.

    I don’t blame others. I have a positive attitude not because I’m too immature to see that being a single mom isn’t ideal nor is it because I have a “I don’t need no man!” attitude. It’s because I am very lucky to be ABLE to provide for my son without getting into another bad situation. I am grateful for having such a beautiful little boy and also grateful that I am able to provide for him.

    I am not a lazy or immature woman (however my sense of humor is indeed very immature). If my son grows into a serial killer or a rapist I won’t be pointing the finger at someone else, I’ll be pointing it at myself.

    The main reason I’m not a fan of marriage in general is one that people often argue me on (which is fine). It has nothing to do with not wanting to be committed or anything like that. I can honestly say I have never cheated in a LTR no matter what the situation. My reason is because I personally do not believe humans were meant to ONLY love one person or ONLY have one soul mate and the traditional idea of marriage was that “this is the person for you”.

    I feel that if you take it back to a time before misogyny and feminism were discussed all the way back to origins of man and evolution, there really is no scientific sense to the idea that humans were meant to fall in love and be with one person their whole life because this would not be beneficial to reproduction on earth. I feel that most of these ideas on marriage are based on moral/social/religious ideals over the years.

    I realize how strange that sounds to some people, but it actually makes a lot of sense when you consider that adultery and gay love affairs (especially among Royalty) have existed since the beginning of time. The only difference between NOW and then is that NOW people feel like it’s okay to be open about it (even though it’s not). I mean be honest, do you really think “feminism” is what made women realize that they could work and make money? Of course not! Remember how those housewives who had not a skill to speak of took over working the factories, building cars, toiling in the Red Cross over dismembered bodies while their husbands were at war so the economy wouldn’t fail??? If feminism really IS the catalyst for all these injustices to men, then were women just hiding them all those years that they acted as wives only but could “bust out” some skills at work out of nowhere?

    I’m sure this is already confusing, my point is that a sexual struggle has always existed because both men and women are programmed by nature to reproduce as much as possible and to preserve their environment (ie: source of food, community, etc) therefore it’s not irrational to consider that maybe the reason so many divorces happen and so much cheating occurs is because marriage and monogamy go against everything that is “primal and natural” in human beings. In a lot of ways, this shows that the primal urge does INDEED override society, gender, morals, and religions….. and that’s mean sex is a lot more powerful in general than people realize. Feminism is just one example of what happens when an entire species is forced to live in a manner that is technically the OPPOSITE of what they are naturally meant to do.

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  724. on May 24, 2009 at 7:13 pm Bhetti

    Chic: You wanted him to have a girl? Odd thing to say, chic, unless he wanted one. I’m sure he’ll get on it. You can’t have just one kid, they get lonely.

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  725. on May 24, 2009 at 7:18 pm Chic Noir

    kamal Is she becoming a symbol for every woman who may have rejected, turned down, lied to, cheated on, us? Is she a symbol of our ex wives and ex girlfriends? Is she a symbol of ourselves, and things within ourselves that disgust us?

    yes, yes,yes,yes,yes.

    @Bhetti, a girl would have softened PA up a bit.

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  726. on May 24, 2009 at 7:18 pm David Alexander

    ugly barely “bangable” pump mules like our said “lady”

    Except she’s not ugly, and you have the personality of a beta troll.

    I thing it’s likely a higher-beta her own age could be “trained” to act like an alpha and not a wuss with her.

    I’m almost tempted to say that the age difference is easy way to appear more alphas as a beta male due to the maturity and experience that even a lightly sexed beta male may have.

    And older childless divorced guy who isn’t a beta will not feel duped being with her, if he gets to have kids of his won with her (and if she treats him right)

    The dangerous presumption is that she’ll treat him right, and that they’ll have more kids. The former isn’t that likely, and latter could happen since she’s only had one kid, but it doesn’t mean much, especially in the era of cuckoldry.

    Re: Older Men

    The only danger with an older man is an increased risk for heart disease, stroke, or cancer which could make him into a questionable bet for your five year old son. I’d argue for somebody a bit younger say, late thirties/early forties instead. Of course, that presumes that these old men regardless of age can’t score better looking women who may have the “perfect” personality.

    That innate desire for men to mentor others is probably why I have my attachment to my nephew. He lives in the ghetto, but he needs an idea of how the non-ghetto works, and I try and provide that alternate world to him. While I dote over my niece, I think of my nephew as a little brother, and I try and influence him as much as I can while getting my ass kicked in a video game. As for my other nephew in Atlanta, somehow, even I managed to tell him to be confident with his female interests…

    Of course, if men like to bond with little dudes, it does leave some hope for the future. If it wasn’t for my nephews, I’d probably end up helping out in a Big Brothers program of some type.

    Oddly, I’m not too biased about step-fathers since my father is one himself to my older brother. It’s a quirky dynamic with some issues due to my older brother’s screw ups, but he loves him as evidenced by the fact he paid for his bail and lawyers when my brother “defended his second amendment rights” several years ago, and he acknowledges my nephews as his grandsons.

    How dare you speak with thine analysis, beta!

    Yawn.

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  727. on May 24, 2009 at 7:23 pm Chic Noir

    DA Grows A Pair

    *narrator voice*

    On the last episode of DA grows a pair, we watched as he told the beloved whiskey FU.

    show is already in progress, let’s watch.

    hotsuace said ugly barely “bangable” pump mules like our said “lady”

    DA said Except she’s not ugly, and you have the personality of a beta troll.

    ques music
    *dun dun dun duuuuuuuuuu*
    stay tuned for the next episode

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  728. on May 24, 2009 at 7:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””chic nor,
    If both were so drunk and can’t remember what happened, then at most it enters into the grey area of rape. “”””””””””””””””””””””””

    Chic nor should just be on constant flame because he is a fucking moron.

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  729. on May 24, 2009 at 7:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Chick nor = not a chick get the joke in the name. Why I never had any dreams of him he he he

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  730. on May 24, 2009 at 7:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    que crying game music

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  731. on May 24, 2009 at 7:29 pm Phenomenon

    sites like this are a god send for men to dicuss women & relationships because if we say anything bad about woman in public were called bitter, angry or we must;ve been hurt by a woman.
    on the flipside it’s seen as normal for woman be berate
    and talk trash about men as much as they want in public and on t.v.

    a story for everyone :

    i have an 18 year old female cousin who is pregnant and has a 1 year old son.
    the father of the kids physical abused her while and after ahe was pregnant with her first child.
    her and her mother were told by my mother to call the cop,
    get a restraining order against him, they did neither.
    as soon as i heard she did’nt get help, i knew she was’nt
    the victim, she was just another screwed up chick who
    cared too much about the guy kickin her a$$.
    my cousin brought the guy by into her life many times,
    even after my brother beat up the guy and told him to stay away from her (last year the guy cut her hair while she was sleep).
    recently i’ve been hearin that she’s been assaulting the father.

    a woman who gets involved or stays with a man who abuses her has alot of problems, and that’s enough of a red flag for me to stay away from woman like that.

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  732. on May 24, 2009 at 7:30 pm Bhetti

    LadyRain: The idea of love is actually separate from what has traditionally made a long-term marriage work (as maurice would point out, ideas of love are more likely to be tragedy centered and not based on long-term historically) when it’s more social expectation, respect and loyalty. In terms of evolutionary processes, humans adapt and the adaptation for increasing age is a comitted monogamous relationship. The care of children also requires a long-term relationship from the evolutionary perspective, since there is no contraception. Behaviours resulting in children not under this model seems to suggest that this is best for them on a level that is biologically based.

    DA: Baby, that’s what I’m talkin’ about. Keep on with the blasphemy.

    I will stop myself from reading if I don’t want to find out more about the story of DA + Porn = True Love. That’s just comittment, that is.

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  733. on May 24, 2009 at 7:31 pm Bhetti

    there WAS* no contraception.

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  734. on May 24, 2009 at 7:37 pm PA

    Bhetti — You wanted him to have a girl? … I’m sure he’ll get on it.

    Could be a girl next. My Old Country friends gave me a symbollic shot-sized bottle of rasberry vodka, whose red hue symbolizes “the next one will be a girl.” In fact, I took a swig of it in the post-partum room. No chaser. Hit the spot. So who knows?

    Chic — a girl would have softened PA up a bit.

    Having a child does soften a guy up in some ways, hardens him in others. Things become less theoretical to you. For example, walking down the stairs with PA Jr. I imagined myself tripping and falling forward. The natural impulse for me would be to turn my body up to the ceiling and wrap him in my arms like a running back protects the football when he leaps at the end zone. No third arm to shield my own self in the fall.

    Also, my comments to Lady Rain are less along the theoretical lines of “she’s the downfall of society” and more about my actually picturing her boy’s confused face at not having a male figure in his life. And in a strange way, my giving a shit about him.

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  735. on May 24, 2009 at 7:41 pm Chic Noir

    Gunslingergregi
    Chick nor = not a chick get the joke in the name. Why I never had any dreams of him he he he

    puff puff pass guns puff puff pass

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  736. on May 24, 2009 at 7:43 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    David Alexander the very definition of a beta sexless, harmless, incorrigible human penis wielding organism calling me out? Honestly I’m about to go London Bridge and end it all. Your very existence is a DLV ( Display of Lower Value lol).

    Chic Noir

    I suppose your right but the more I look at this two pictures

    http://tinyurl.com/o8s3do

    http://tinyurl.com/p7xmb3

    the more resemblance I see the more the thought of carrying out Rum’s prescription becomes repugnant.

    All you Capn Save a Hos need to get a grip, your ass kissing’s unsightly.

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  737. on May 24, 2009 at 7:44 pm PA

    DA Grows A Pair

    I gotta say he’s on a roll today as far as sounding more like a dude and less like a beta, and at the same coming across like a thoughtful person.

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  738. on May 24, 2009 at 7:46 pm Glengarry

    Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”

    Oh you flirt.

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  739. on May 24, 2009 at 7:48 pm Arpagus

    Chic Noir

    Does she regret it because it was bad? Or is the woman calling a man a rapist because she attempted to fight him off even when drunk? If you answer yes to the second question, I think it’s rape.

    According to feminism and the law in many jurisdictions, only the first question matters, because she is not capable of consenting. In any case, even if the woman is sober, she does not have to attempt to fight the man off or even say no; it is enough to claim that she felt threatened.

    If both were so drunk and can’t remember what happened, then at most it enters into the grey area of rape.

    Then you are not as bad as the worst feminists, but still pretty bad.

    All this grey rape and increasing number of absurd accusations constitute a trivialization of rape that is making it easier to get away with real rape — that is the silver lining for men. Any real man who understands how far the feminists have succeeded with rape reform will lose any sympathy for rape victims and, in my view, come to feel that real rape serves women right, at least women who support feminism.

    Bottom line, leave drunk girls at the club alone

    I can assure you that sex is worth the risk of a rape conviction and I would leave no girl alone because she is drunk. I do not miss out on a chance to have sex just to appease a corrupt feminist justice system. There is nothing they can take away from me anyway as I already have no quality of life without sex.

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  740. on May 24, 2009 at 7:48 pm whiskey

    Silver —

    Reflexively defending any woman around is “White Knight” syndrome. It’s probably laudable if the woman in question is being assaulted or drowning in a lake. It’s pretty laughable when you attempt to shield a woman for legitimate criticism of her own choices in regards to her issues with “Game.”

    And I find it TELLING that out of all the comments, mine (because they were blunt and truthful rather than name calling) were singled out.

    Lady Rain has issues with Game yet it obviously worked on her, she even had a son by the guy. Moreover she knows well the increased risks to her son, statistically, and still chose her course of action because it was more important to her (the sex and excitement). [She’s a beautiful woman going by other’s descriptions, she could obviously find a good man, but he would be unlikely to have the high Testosterone aggression and dominance and excitement she craves. It’s almost certain she knew well her son’s father’s character and temperament, his blow came without surprise to her friends/family I’ll bet, but she chose him anyway like Dalyrmple’s nurses and other professional women FOR the violence/aggression.] It’s proof positive that game works, by emulating A-holes (lots of tattoos = A-hole, ala Jessie James). Lady Rain has problems/issues with Game, but in her own personal life and the most important person (her son) she’s responding to Game and raising her Son to become a Roissy. [Whatever else could she expect with all those guys around and then gone, “platonic” friends and all? She’s modeling for him how Game works. It’s probably wise, a son who grows up to be a PUA will be happier than one who does not.]

    Lesson: ignore what women say, it’s usually just platitudes. Focus on their choices, by their actions you know what’s important. For Lady Rain, it’s the kind of men produced by Game. She couldn’t lay greater tribute to it than raising her Son to become a Roissy. [Which IMHO is quite wise.] Or the fact that knowing the stats, she chose to be a single mother.

    Your prescription (hold back the tide) was tried and proven a failure by King Canute. All his men’s shields could not hold back the tide. I would advocate not drowning.

    [A-hole game is merely mimicking bad boy behavior. Being “nice” to women is a one-way ticket to a sexless existence. Look at Lady Rain: nice guys need not apply, A-holes ahoy!]

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  741. on May 24, 2009 at 7:50 pm Lady Rain

    Bhetti–

    Ah! I agree, but one thing you are forgetting is that (from what we’re able to assume) the same time you speak of where contraception was not available or more likely was a crazy idea, in the same way parents didn’t coddle children throughout their lives likes parents do now (probably something that also has to do with humans living longer now) but regardless, in days of old parents would have some kids, keep an eye on them until they were literally old enough to walk around with some common sense, and then have more babies with whomever was available. Sometimes in the form of what we now consider “rape”, polygamy, etc. so the element of a man and woman staying together “for the kids” didn’t really exist back then either.

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  742. on May 24, 2009 at 7:50 pm whiskey

    Kamal S — Good point but you’re missing the larger picture. The sort of restraint and non-hostility, “chivalry” you want for women is not going to happen unless most men are invested in most women. I.E. either married, or a very good chance of marrying, to a woman equal or relatively so to his own attractiveness and status.

    Lecturing, by men, a zillion feminists, the hottest girl they know, won’t get it done. What? Women will still ignore them and sleep with a bunch of Alphas? ONLY massive, wide, broad, deep investment in women by men will create that system.

    All else is weeping for the long gone Holy Roman Empire. A system of Lady Rains produces “going Galt” David Alexanders, and bitter betas filled with various degrees of resentment. A bunch of guys expecting a faithful, monogamous relationship produces … Michael Blowhard. And that’s just not going to happen. Any more than we’ll see another Holy Roman Empire.

    Which is about the saddest thing about Lady Rain and her sisters: that we’ll not see the likes of Shouting Thomas or Blowhard again.

    Shrug. It’s womens world. We just live in it.

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  743. on May 24, 2009 at 7:51 pm Glengarry

    “yes those jeans kind of do make your ass look fat”

    Or, “Well, there’s more of you to love, isn’t there?”

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  744. on May 24, 2009 at 7:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””””PA,
    For example, walking down the stairs with PA Jr. I imagined myself tripping and falling forward. The natural impulse for me would be to turn my body up to the ceiling and wrap him in my arms like a running back protects the football when he leaps at the end zone. No third arm to shield my own self in the fall. “””””””””””””””””””

    That is some awesome stuff bro

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  745. on May 24, 2009 at 7:55 pm Lady Rain

    Hollywood,

    By your tone and certain slang you use, I’d guess you to be under 21 at best. Probably more in the age 18 range.

    I am a little concerned that you are regularly enticed beyond control to poke dead rabbits often enough to use it as a casual analogy.

    Kudos, though on making a statement so utterly nonsensical that I genuinely have nothing to retort with other than saying that talking to you is like watching giants play hopscotch in the moonlight at midnight…. I just can’t help myself.

    (Next time just say “trainwreck”)

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  746. on May 24, 2009 at 7:56 pm novaseeker

    More Misandry here :

    Where are the lost men on college campuses?

    @Tood —

    I have left a missive there, and would encourage other men here to leave reasoned missives there (not nonsensical shaming ones, men).

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  747. on May 24, 2009 at 7:58 pm Bhetti

    PA: Even though girls continue to inspire fuzzies, a dad shouldn’t soften up on a girl. Dad’s role is more authority and she’s got a mother to give most of the softness. In some cases, it can happen the opposite way ’round: I had that dynamic flipped on me with father giving most of the softness, which was strange.

    Protective dads: awesome.

    Lady Rain: Not only one model is valid and again, it’s also true that parents are most important the earlier the age. It makes sense, however, that a pair who’re together will continue to reproduce together while looking after the other children and continue to raise them in this cycle, until literal death** do them part. In this model, you’ll find the evolutionary drive for this system.

    ** which occured earlier, if I’ve got my facts straight.

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  748. on May 24, 2009 at 7:58 pm Chic Noir

    arapas in my view, come to feel that real rape serves women right, at least women who support feminism.
    smh

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  749. on May 24, 2009 at 7:59 pm novaseeker

    DA: One of the tragedies with a well-adjusted man is that he needs to identify and have a better relationship with a male than with his mother, definitely not putting her on a non-realistic pedestal. So, a mother having a below par relationship with her son might turn out to be overall healthier for him as a man due to:
    – his lack of expectation that a woman’s perfect
    – lack of identifying with her feminised perspective
    – being independent and expecting to take care of things himself
    – trying to get his way, rather than being in alignment with hers.

    @Bhetti

    Indeed. This is why men like William Pollack are so counterproductive.

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  750. on May 24, 2009 at 7:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””Whiskey
    Which is about the saddest thing about Lady Rain and her sisters: that we’ll not see the likes of Shouting Thomas or Blowhard again.

    Shrug. It’s womens world. We just live in it.”””””””””””””””

    Seems like your singling out the wrong chick though dude. This woman seems more like an ally than an enemy. The real man hating bitches that come on here or are already here with there crazy fucking ideas are the ones to single out as some menace. I don’t get your hate of her or did she even make you want to go bad boy lol

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  751. on May 24, 2009 at 8:00 pm Rum

    This deranged thread began with the question (about 800 posts ago) regarding ‘game” needed to bag female retards like Downs syndrome victims.
    Duct tape. Cable ties. Nitrous oxide. Ether.

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  752. on May 24, 2009 at 8:04 pm PA

    a dad shouldn’t soften up on a girl. Dad’s role is more authority and she’s got a mother to give most of the softness.

    So true. In fact, the first time I took Roissy’s blog seriously was his “Open Letter to His Kids” post some two years ago. Besides being hillarious, it articulated what I was trying to grapple with: nothing is unconditional, including a parent’s love. Gotta set the standards, and make ’em meet ’em.

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  753. on May 24, 2009 at 8:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    hahahahhahaa

    This has been one fucking fun thread. I did post out of fucking control I can admit that. Fun as fuck though. I got to wind down. Had to get some man juices flowing. Get ready to be home.

    I am off to be Married!!!!!!!!!

    See you alll on the other side.

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  754. on May 24, 2009 at 8:05 pm Bhetti

    Lady Rain: Taking care of and being invested in children past being able to walk isn’t a modern invention, it’s an adaptive strategy for passing on important skills and ensuring their continued survival beyond the vulnerable stages.

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  755. on May 24, 2009 at 8:05 pm Chic Noir

    my beloved whiskey said It’s probably laudable if the woman in question is being assaulted or drowning in a lake. It’s pretty laughable when you attempt to shield a woman for legitimate criticism of her own choices in regards to her issues with “Game.”
    Uh, I can roll with this actually.

    I guess that means you would save me from a beat down from roissy and vk.

    *thinks to self*
    quite as it’s kept, Whiskey is running game on me.

    she’s responding to Game and raising her Son to become a Roissy.
    *screams*
    the thought!

    bhetti Protective dads: awesome.
    agreed I’m still a daddy’s girl. my pops says I can live at home for as long as I like.

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  756. on May 24, 2009 at 8:08 pm Lady Rain

    Rum,

    Who’d have my semi-serious first question would have gone all this way? At least it’s a pretty intelligent conversation though for the most part.

    Also, don’t you think Nitrous would probably cause rape-hindering annoyances such as giggling and swallowing her own tongue?

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  757. on May 24, 2009 at 8:09 pm novaseeker

    I’m sure this is already confusing, my point is that a sexual struggle has always existed because both men and women are programmed by nature to reproduce as much as possible and to preserve their environment (ie: source of food, community, etc) therefore it’s not irrational to consider that maybe the reason so many divorces happen and so much cheating occurs is because marriage and monogamy go against everything that is “primal and natural” in human beings. In a lot of ways, this shows that the primal urge does INDEED override society, gender, morals, and religions….. and that’s mean sex is a lot more powerful in general than people realize. Feminism is just one example of what happens when an entire species is forced to live in a manner that is technically the OPPOSITE of what they are naturally meant to do.

    @LR —

    No.

    Among primates, we are one of a couple of species who are oriented towards pair bonds. That is probably because our young have a long immaturity period compared to almost all other species. Hence the need for male parental investment,and the need for pair bonds around children.

    The idea that we can all live in a sexual free for all and advance as a society is a female sexual utopian idea. The vast majority of men invest in culture and society and strive only when they are invested in their own kids in the context of a pair bond. Alphas cwill always strive because they get pussy that way. But without monogamous pair bonding as a norm, many men are left without mates, and they only do enough to support themselves and their pleasures — wine, video games, porn, hookers and so on.

    Arguing against monogamous pair bonds is arguing against our species. Much of feminism was precisely that, as when some feminists claimed that the “form” of heterosexual sex was de factor oppressive because a male entered a female and occupied her.

    Yes, sex is the driver. But in homo sapiens, the sex drive is a dance between nurturing pair bonds and cheating on them. Without the nurturing of pair bonds, the society collapses because men withdraw, pump and dump, and do not invest.

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  758. on May 24, 2009 at 8:09 pm PA

    I am off to be Married

    For real Gunner? A wedding in Indonesia? If you’re for real, then congrats dude!

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  759. on May 24, 2009 at 8:15 pm Lady Rain

    Okay sorry to hijack here, but I wanted to comment so many times here on the Rape Blog but I keep forgetting. That is the one I was referring to as “crazy feminist blog” that I also follow in sheer amazement.

    I’d say about 4 of the items on her “Rape List” are accurate. The rest are horseshit, pure and simple. She is making herself (and every other woman) out to be some sort of simpering, terrified, babydoll in the arms of the big strong man. Meaning she makes the woman a victim the MOMENT a guy even THINKS about having sex with her. This pisses me off as a woman because many things contribute to rape: have some damn sense and don’t get shitfaced when you’re out, don’t put yourself in dangerous situations, don’t be a cocktease bc one of those time you’re going to “tease” the wrong “cock”. This woman is basically making every man out to be a “rapist in waiting” and every woman a “born victim”.

    This actually fires me up more than Roissy because she’s the reason people like Roissy have blogs. (ah what a strange twisted world). Reading her blog their are several times that I have the urge to hunt her and punch her in the face over and over (which is pretty unusual for me as I’m not violent)

    No wonder she thinks everyone is out to rape her if she walks around looking like a slightly crazed/terrified deer in headlights she probably DOES get a lot of strange looks from guys. It’s not that they’re thinking about raping her, though…. it’s that they’re wondering if she’s a little slow.

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  760. on May 24, 2009 at 8:21 pm Bhetti

    Evolution/Evolutionary Psychology: I’m uncomfortable on this topic, especially since I know other people know more.

    Gunny: Have fun and enjoy!

    Rum: The Internet isn’t really that anonymous, watch your back.

    Chic: My best and most militant protection is my mother. She does a brilliant job at being a man for a woman, but you know… it’s… not quite right. She’s girly steel: Put LOVE in the food, or there WILL be consequences. DIRE ones.

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  761. on May 24, 2009 at 8:24 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    I thought there was no moderation on this site?

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  762. on May 24, 2009 at 8:36 pm Lady Rain

    Hollywood,

    If you were moderated that means that Roissy himself thinks you are a douche.

    Maybe try using something other than a Top Gun call-sign for your handle.

    Okay sorry that was immature but my sense of humor overrides…. well everything.

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  763. on May 24, 2009 at 8:43 pm Rum

    Lady Rain

    You are one in a million. My kind of girl…

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  764. on May 24, 2009 at 8:45 pm sara I

    joe

    you remind me of another commenter here sara I. always talking about how she is immune to game and has best loser-radar on earth. yet her past is full of screwed up abusive partners and losers.

    Who could possibly know better? Silly, Joe-Joe.

    DT

    Sara is finally being honest…

    About wetting my pants, that is. My grandmother (on the German side) used to get together with a group of her friends and they would laugh till they peed their pants. My dad could always tell when there had been a meeting of “The King’s Daughters” because the chairs would be washed and tipped up to dry. True story.

    Default User

    I think you were wrong about my angiogram number thing that you mentioned on the Hero thread.

    You’re misspelling thing on purpose, aren’t you? tsk, tsk. So what number are you then?

    Roissy,

    I’m writing a book. How to prey on men’s insecurities who prey on women’s insecurities. You’ll love it.

    Miss me, I’ll be out of town for a week……

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  765. on May 24, 2009 at 8:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not recognized by states though but yea I am serious.

    Course we were already till death and beyond just a formality for her/family/community.

    4 years three months in making.

    Plus excuse to eat a cow.

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  766. on May 24, 2009 at 8:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    Rum in all reality rain is the bomb grab that shit.

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  767. on May 24, 2009 at 8:50 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    I’m sorry Wendy for all the things I said I didn’t really mean it. I actually think you’re not that bad and I don’t think you look like Jackie Stallone you’ve a nice booty actually and I wouldn’t mind tapping that. Will pwease be my friend 🙂 🙂 ???

    NOT, FUCK U BITCH Lmfao. I know that was juvenile but that had me going.

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  768. on May 24, 2009 at 8:51 pm PA

    I thought there was no moderation on this site?

    For some reason certain words trigger automatic comment moderation. Two words I know of that do this are:

    o m e g a
    d e l e t e

    (in part or in whole, but spelled without the spaces)

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  769. on May 24, 2009 at 8:52 pm gig

    PA

    about the seriousness of Roissy’s blog.
    I delayed A LOT the delivery of my master’s thesis. 3 months to be preecise. Then I presented it, and went to the bar with some guys.

    Two of them decided to mock my delay. The kind of thing that you feel is being done to humiliate

    I turned to them and said: “Look, A and B, I score MORE chicks than you and chicks that are MORE beautiful than the ones you do. ” And silence was made in our table.

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  770. on May 24, 2009 at 8:54 pm Lady Rain

    No not really but I am being honest in saying my sense of humor overrides pretty much all reason in my world. There were just too many openings there for me to stay in “naughty-finger-wagging” mode.

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  771. on May 24, 2009 at 8:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    omega

    I am your god now

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  772. on May 24, 2009 at 8:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    no one gets marcus aurilious though shes my new third string.
    lol

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  773. on May 24, 2009 at 8:56 pm Chic Noir

    ok ^^^^^
    —————————————-
    hear music playing
    *looks over to whiskey*

    well I’ll be, he is spending more time with feminx.

    *notices half sigma elbowing his way in on feminx*

    *shrugs shoulders*
    Men!!!

    *runs over to grab defualt’s hand before sara,bhetti,anony etc..*

    default, will you dance with me.
    *gives default big puppy dog eyes*

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  774. on May 24, 2009 at 8:58 pm David Alexander

    I gotta say he’s on a roll today as far as sounding more like a dude and less like a beta, and at the same coming across like a thoughtful person.

    Sometimes, the real world puts you in a position of responsibility that may somehow affect your thinking. At certain moments, the old standby answers aren’t as entertaining and don’t work anymore.

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  775. on May 24, 2009 at 9:00 pm Lady Rain

    Hollywood,

    Shit, you really had me going there for a second… I mean with the “overly friendly” statement followed by not ONE but TWO spaces until the climax of the joke “NOT! FUCK U BITCH”

    Your mastery of both “the written illusion” and a chinese water-torture-like inability to make both a joke and an insult at the same time is clearly an artform I’ll never be mistress of.

    You have certainly shown me yet again.

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  776. on May 24, 2009 at 9:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    to guy who formally had my icon stick with the one you want she is quite cute. Course sometimes if we fail we need to use these events as a window to use as a catalyst to open the doors to what we realize we really want out of this life.

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  777. on May 24, 2009 at 9:07 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Whiskey said:

    “Lesson: ignore what women say, it’s usually just platitudes. Focus on their choices, by their actions you know what’s important. For Lady Rain, it’s the kind of men produced by Game. She couldn’t lay greater tribute to it than raising her Son to become a Roissy. [Which IMHO is quite wise.]”

    Having been involved with a single mother long before this site existed, I can tell you they don’t “raise” their boys to be anything. Statistically and anecdotally, the boys are usually out of their control by age 14.

    The single mother in question I speak of “raised” her kid to be like her, but without ever meeting his bio dad, the kid turned out just like him. Eventually, it hit her that maybe, just maybe, genetics played a part in personality and if she wanted a Baby Einstein, she should have breeded with a Daddy Einstein not a Daddy Bad Boy.

    It took her 18 years to realize what most people knew years ago instinctively — breeding matters. Such is the extent of modern media brainwashing. The kid, by the way, has never held a job for more than a few months and is now covered in tattoos. Despite her efforts, he did not take to middle class life and wound up dragging her back down to Prolesville. She is now on disability because of the stress of court dates, etc.

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  778. on May 24, 2009 at 9:11 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    And your masterful ability to deconstruct and surgically analyse my shortcomings in these areas surely is a sight to behold

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  779. on May 24, 2009 at 9:14 pm Lady Rain

    What can I say? I make “analysis” my bitch.

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  780. on May 24, 2009 at 9:21 pm JAM

    >>Where is the list of “how to prey on women with down’s syndrome?”
    >
    > Oh you flirt.

    Maybe she’s born with it?

    Maybe it’s Maybelline.

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  781. on May 24, 2009 at 9:22 pm Lady Rain

    Days–

    No matter how shitty you get about it, I do “raise” my son. I’m aware that genes play a huge role no matter how loving and strong a single mom/single dad is.

    However, in my case those Irish-Catholic-Alcoholic genes of his dad’s still have to win the battle against my fam’s nearly 100% German-Hardcore-Protestant-Conservative genes. (I meant that literally but also for the humor of that mix). I feel like I have a pretty good chance with him because I know I was raised well in the way of being responsible, hardworking, and realistic.

    Just to give you an idea…. in MY family my parents are SO hardcore about “staying with your own kind” that they considered it LESS of an embarrassment for me to be a single mother than for me to be with an Irishman, let alone a Catholic!!! Please keep in mind these are their opinions not mine. I had a very conservative upbringing where a girl/woman’s manners, etiquette, and verbal dexterity were what made us the “pride” of our parents. They are also extremely religious and feel that Catholics directly defy God’s words and all of that.

    I realize all that isn’t really relevant to my BECOMING a single mother, but it gives you an idea of what I came from in relation to the decision/choice that I made.

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  782. on May 24, 2009 at 9:23 pm Frank

    so point, check out the the trailer for “International Playboy”… Roissy, did you cut a film deal? If not, i’d sue.

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  783. on May 24, 2009 at 9:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””chic
    runs over to grab defualt’s hand””””””””””””

    last time i checked default didn’t ask you to grab his hand. I think according to you you just raped him. NOw go and turn yourself in.

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  784. on May 24, 2009 at 9:25 pm Comment_Whatever

    Whiskey said:


    Which is about the saddest thing about Lady Rain and her sisters: that we’ll not see the likes of Shouting Thomas or Blowhard again.

    PA said:

    Thinking back to my grandfathers, uncles, etc. back in the Old Country, along with my wife’s huge extended family, supports my view that someone like Shouting Thomas is the norm so far as Western Men go, before we got all decadent.

    Shouting Thomas screams obscenities at those he believes to be of lower status than him. What he says also happens to be supported by women and big bosses.

    You can call beating on lower status people with the approval of higher status people ‘brave’ if you like.

    I’d like to know IN WHAT WAY is it brave.

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  785. on May 24, 2009 at 9:26 pm Lady Rain

    I’m pretty sure that according to “The Biting Beaver’s” Rape checklist that I, too am a rapist.

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  786. on May 24, 2009 at 9:29 pm Chic Noir

    lady rain
    However, in my case those Irish-Catholic-Alcoholic genes of his dad’s still have to win the battle against my fam’s nearly 100% German-Hardcore-Protestant-Conservative genes.
    and

    Just to give you an idea…. in MY family my parents are SO hardcore about “staying with your own kind” that they considered it LESS of an embarrassment for me to be a single mother than for me to be with an Irishman

    pardon my asking you this lady rain but are you an American? It’s not often I hear of White Americans making a big deal of dating outside of their ethnic group unless they happen to be Jewish.

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  787. on May 24, 2009 at 9:31 pm Lady Rain

    Frank

    “so point, check out the the trailer for “International Playboy”… Roissy, did you cut a film deal? If not, i’d sue.”

    Wow, why don’t you suck his dick while you’re at it?

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  788. on May 24, 2009 at 9:31 pm Bhetti

    Chic: We have been abandoned by our D-lettered men, who venture forth we know not where with we know not whom.

    Still, can we can conclude from this thread and in line with overall Game theories that a dominant male means that within the context of security and self-worth, bonding relies in a woman believing her man is worth everything and that she is not worth one ounce of conflict in his precious soul. Not one.

    But where that does leave a man?

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  789. on May 24, 2009 at 9:32 pm PA

    Comment_, buddy you’re awesome. Good thing you ignored my advice to be funny and instead went with Tupac’s “let the hate flow!” Not enough hate yet, though. Concentrate it, distill it. Let it sear and burn. You know you can.

    But… how is ST beating up on lower status people? He’s an old-coot widower bar-band singer who’se keeping up with the economy by enrolling in nursing school and wiping old people’s asses, per his blog entries.

    And who are the bosses that approve of his “beating up on lower status people”?

    More hate, dude. But concentrate it better. You’re still all over the place, dissipating its precious vitality.

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  790. on May 24, 2009 at 9:35 pm Chic Noir

    bhetti Chic: We have been abandoned by our D-lettered men, who venture forth we know not where with we know not whom.
    default, defaulted on our second dance.

    But where that does leave a man?
    still complaining. it’s the way we humans are. never satisfies which in some ways is a good thing.
    for example: cassette player<cd player<ipod.

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  791. on May 24, 2009 at 9:36 pm David Alexander

    those Irish-Catholic-Alcoholic genes

    Despite being black, I’m Catholic* so, I’d like to know what you have against “us”? You’re proving an old Italian friend’s theory of the Protestant hate of the Catholic masses…

    *Which makes David “different” since most blacks in the US are Protestant, which a weak excuse for liking white Catholic girls. Gotta keep it in the faith. 🙂

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  792. on May 24, 2009 at 9:38 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    David Alexander the very definition of a beta sexless, harmless, incorrigible human penis wielding organism calling me out? Honestly I’m about to go London Bridge and end it all. Your very existence is a DLV ( Display of Lower Value lol).

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  793. on May 24, 2009 at 9:39 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    So my comments were been moderated because of html links hey?…interesting

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  794. on May 24, 2009 at 9:47 pm David Alexander

    harmless, incorrigible human penis wielding organism calling me out?

    Yeah. The other men here may not have been polite to Lady Rain, but at least their concerns with her grounded in reality. You’re just a pissy little punk ass hit & run beta prick who makes other beta males look bad. Trust me, you’ll need more than game when you’re done.

    Your very existence is a DLV

    Which one of us is bashing a single mother to get their jollies?

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  795. on May 24, 2009 at 9:47 pm Bhetti

    HH: This scenario via DA as you have hilariously presented it was indeed why the word ‘PWNED’ was invented in the Internet.

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  796. on May 24, 2009 at 9:49 pm Chic Noir

    david alexander You’re just a pissy little punk ass hit & run beta prick who makes other beta males look bad. Trust me, you’ll need more than game when you’re done.

    hell no this isn’t DA. This is more shocking that my peanuts run a week ago.

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  797. on May 24, 2009 at 9:49 pm Bhetti

    HH: As in, ‘You have been PWNED’. Please abstain from the London Bridge-ing, though.

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  798. on May 24, 2009 at 9:52 pm Bhetti

    DA: Demonstrating why the REAL White Knight is hot.

    The universe will now not implode because I did not just say something unambiguously complimentary to DA.

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  799. on May 24, 2009 at 9:53 pm PA

    Most of the guys here who give DA shit are well into their 30s or beyond. But somehow I didn’t see David taking shit from a college kid.

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  800. on May 24, 2009 at 10:02 pm Chic Noir

    DA has manned up. I do believe my ovaries are popping.

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  801. on May 24, 2009 at 10:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    just checked rains pics yea nice ass she looks like she could be bhettis half sister i am two for two no look mua mua hahhahahahah

    Now I just need to see marcus.

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  802. on May 24, 2009 at 10:03 pm Bhetti

    PA: Situational, I get you. As long as you’re sure one of you guys didn’t give him a little visit and inject contents of a certain hormone-filled syringe into his unsuspecting bloodstream.

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  803. on May 24, 2009 at 10:05 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    DA dearest worm there’s a difference between beta and immature, I’m immature but I’m 19 I can get away with and please refrain from grouping me within the same category as you I’m young and still have everything to play for you on the other hand are old past it and over the hill, game’s over grandad. And betas don’t get laid lol!!!

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  804. on May 24, 2009 at 10:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    bhetti you have yahoo chat?

    You up for it I need some help figuring out the wedding night 🙂

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  805. on May 24, 2009 at 10:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    “high fives hollywood”

    Way to play devils advocate today bro

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  806. on May 24, 2009 at 10:13 pm Lady Rain

    Chic Noir==

    Yes I am American and no it is definitely NOT commonplace for people to have issues like this!

    That’s what I meant. Growing up in my family was sort of like being sucked into a medievel vortex where women weren’t even expected to be capable of making choices and shouldn’t “need to be bothered by such things”. I’m being literal. My sister and I were taught the most ridiculous and out of date ways to be ladies that you can imagine topped by religion that was pretty much whatever crazy shit my parents made up from the Bible.

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  807. on May 24, 2009 at 10:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    DA coming straight outa compton ful

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  808. on May 24, 2009 at 10:16 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: As if you need help! I don’t have it and am going to sleep now, anyway.

    Also, I’m astounded HH and I are of an age. Fascinating. Evidence for 10+ years probably needed to be added on if I can tolerate the man, nevermind respect him.

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  809. on May 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm aoefe

    @Doug

    You want me to flirt? How’s this?

    You had me at “silly girl”.

    “Women really do want both the dominant skillful emotion manipulator and bang up lover, and the good loyal and intelligent provider. They want both even if they do alright economically on there own. Or the great majority of women do.”

    Right again. I do more than ok financially, I don’t require a man to support me and yes I want both.

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  810. on May 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    da felt it its in the air son CAN YOU FEEL IT

    IT IN THE FUCKIN AIR

    GETTIN HYPER

    GETTIN READY

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  811. on May 24, 2009 at 10:18 pm whiskey

    I am not familiar with Shouting Thomas other than I think PA’s description of him as a good husband/father. I think that is a thing of the past however, given that Lady Rain is by no means exceptional, rather the new tide running in.

    Selection along the lines of which bad boy excites you most, means men provide that and beta type providers like say, Blowhard or Thomas or DA don’t get selected.

    Author Theodore Dalrymple noted in his “Life at the Bottom” that it was not only his female welfare patients (he was a National Health Service doctor in the UK) who went after tattooed, violent bad boys (he had one memorable discussion with a 17 year old girl who’s bad boy boyfriend had broken her arm).

    It was his educated, professional nurses who told him that nice, good, decent, ordinary men bored them and violent abusers excited them. Dalyrmple correctly viewed the collapse of ordinary working/middle class British society to this selection of thugs, but could not draw the conclusions WHY (i.e. women could afford to indulge in them).

    Imagine a woman who has a kid with a bad boy. She’s chosen that man above all others to be the father of her child. With contraception and abortion cheap and easy, no other conclusion can be drawn.

    Therefore men are best situated to become PUA, since the idea of being a father/husband in a faithful, old style marriage is like catching a fish in the rapidly receding tide (as the new one comes in, ever higher).

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  812. on May 24, 2009 at 10:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    HH?

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  813. on May 24, 2009 at 10:24 pm Chic Noir

    Gunslingergregi said
    bhetti you have yahoo chat?

    You up for it I need some help figuring out the wedding night

    See you are going to get azz caped in here. Wait until doug1 sees this nonsense.

    *hides behind default and wellmer*

    *chants*
    jerry jerry jerry

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  814. on May 24, 2009 at 10:26 pm PA

    I am not familiar with Shouting Thomas other than I think PA’s description of him as a good husband/father.

    Shouting Thomas is in his late 50s I think, a widower who makes frequent and touching tributes to his late wife and is a father of two adult children, by another woman, I think. He plays in a rock/country band and has a blog that is linked at 2Blowhards. He also posts videos of his band on Youtube.

    I used him as an example of a certain type of guy because of his combination of hot-tempered attitude that seems for real, and his gentler qualities. He’s an old-school conservative who doesn’t mince words.

    He and Roissy have fired away at each other a few times but I suspect our gracious host has more than a bit of grudging respect for the old dude.

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  815. on May 24, 2009 at 10:31 pm Chic Noir

    PA He and Roissy have fired away at each other a few times but I suspect our gracious host has more than a bit of grudging respect for the old dude.

    or it could be roissy knowing when he is being outmatched. He was being smart, it’s best to avoid a when keeping it real goes wrong kinda situation. ST,Patrickh, and a few male commenters can really go. I wasn’t aware that some men can shoot off at the mouth as well as if not better than most women.

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  816. on May 24, 2009 at 10:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    You can feel it too eh not chick I don’t do the gay love thing.

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  817. on May 24, 2009 at 10:33 pm Lady Rain

    Something tells me that Hollywood was happy to have someone else to sparr with.

    (btw I was dead on the age. I’m the shit)

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  818. on May 24, 2009 at 10:36 pm Lady Rain

    Chic Noir–

    HA! I thought the same thing until I started working in CNC Programming and was around “shop talk” all day everyday. As much fun as it is…. I can honestly say I was shocked to discover that even old stodgy men gossip and “spout off” a lot more than women do!!! I’d have never believed it had I not seen it over and over at my different machining jobs. And older gentlemen are the WORST for being guilty of this!

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  819. on May 24, 2009 at 10:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol rain but a group of men can accomplish shit a group of woman just accomplish a lot of crying over who is doing the most work lol

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  820. on May 24, 2009 at 10:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    i should have said western woman used to not only having woman working but having other people who actually do the work ie men

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  821. on May 24, 2009 at 10:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    literally every day there where real tears from different woman over some bullshit after they tried an experiment and had them try to do the same amount of work that my self and two other guys did. Anyway they where like i want to go to your section we are like yea right you will be crying harder here there is even more work going on. It did make it interesting when all the woman trying to bail the fuck out where giving us lots of attention.

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  822. on May 24, 2009 at 10:50 pm Lady Rain

    Hmmm I have never worked with a large group of just women so I can’t argue this with you either way. Oh sure, there’s lots of times where the old guys come running over if they see me picking up something heavy, but it’s because once they were “used to me” and realized that I’m a damn good machinist and don’t have a “something to prove” attitude with them, it was like having 20 older brothers so they would do these things out of politeness (and also because you’re supposed to do that in a shop regardless when lifting is involved)

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  823. on May 24, 2009 at 10:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Probably why rum said you where one in a million.

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  824. on May 24, 2009 at 10:54 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Gunslingergregi?

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  825. on May 24, 2009 at 10:57 pm Chic Noir

    lady rainI can honestly say I was shocked to discover that even old stodgy men gossip and “spout off” a lot more than women do!!!
    lol
    men love to gossip, they just hate to admit to it. They can also be very jealous of one another.

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  826. on May 24, 2009 at 11:00 pm Lady Rain

    Well see that’s the problem with some women. They are SO into proving themselves that they’ll actually choose a field KNOWING that they suck at….. just to prove themselves.

    It’s idiotic and at one of the shops I worked at their was a female supervisor with ZERO machining experience (I’ll politely assume she got the job because she worked there a long time). Now you would think she’d take that opportunity to learn as much about the trade that she is supposed to be SUPERVISING but NO…. not even once. She’d LITERALLY be heard shrieking like a harpie over the sound of machines and screaming at people about how they fucked up and this and that. Worse yet, the woman couldn’t even read a print. She’d run up to people HOLDING the very print screaming at you “It’s wrong, it’s wrong!!!” and when you kindly ask her to SHOW you what’s wrong to fix it, she couldn’t because she had no idea and more often than not the part wasn’t wrong at all.

    You’d think at this point the cunt would at least have the decency of slinking away after a shutdown like this, but no….. at the SLIGHTEST suggestion that she could be wrong she’d go on a company rampage and ask every single engineer, boss, representative, sales team member, and machinist the same question and even after they ALL tell her she’s wrong…. she’ll fly into a rage, blame it on communication within management and have a “meeting” with the other supervisors.

    I wanted to die for women everywhere every time I heard her voice. She is one of the women that I have been known to make the comment “I can understand if her husband hits her once in awhile… I really can”.

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  827. on May 24, 2009 at 11:01 pm PA

    Get a bunch of random guys together and they’ll spontaneously coalesce into a productive hierarchy. Downside: a few will lie dead at the periphery of the camp.

    Get a bunch of random girls together and their cluster will remain at a level of primodial meow-swamp. Downside: none, sounds like fun. Because girls pillow-fight topless when guys aren’t around.

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  828. on May 24, 2009 at 11:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””Hollywood Hotsauce
    Gunslingergregi?”””””””””

    Threw out challenge as you see she did not immediately go batshit crazy. She is one in a million relax on this one bro. She did not seek to immediatly challenge. Which was good.

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  829. on May 24, 2009 at 11:05 pm Lady Rain

    The point of that random is story is that I appreciate the men I work with even MORE because if this what they usually get when a woman comes into the shop, then they were REALLY kind to me considering what they were probably expecting because of roadtrash like she was.

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  830. on May 24, 2009 at 11:08 pm Lady Rain

    Guns–

    this is kind of touching… it seems that you have become the “Wolfman” to his “Hollywood” *nostalgic tears*

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  831. on May 24, 2009 at 11:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    thats why in situations like that the only fair thing to do is pay some crackhead to kill one of the bitches kids

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  832. on May 24, 2009 at 11:20 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Gunslinger

    Debating evolutionary psychology over and over gets a bit mind numbing after a while, got to introduce some drama if you what I mean. I would have preferred it if she went batshit crazy, oh well better luck next!!

    DH

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  833. on May 24, 2009 at 11:21 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    know*

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  834. on May 24, 2009 at 11:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but she is kind of a completely different woman than normally seen on here. Not feeling entitled to child support as some sort of womans right is mindblowing enough.

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  835. on May 24, 2009 at 11:25 pm Chic Noir

    *throws meat out to the vultures*

    http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/23/young-bride-divorced-rich-old-man-because-she-cant-keep-up/

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  836. on May 24, 2009 at 11:25 pm Lady Rain

    I didn’t even realize you guys were saying something that was supposed to be offensive. Men and woman are different and I don’t know why feminists think they have to do things “the same” as men…. it doesn’t work!!! We’re meant to have different strengths and weaknesses and it seems that some people just can’t deal with having any weakness AT ALL even if they are deserving of the title.

    I’m sorry guys I don’t have enough “random man-hate” to “pretend” I’m fired up, lol…. it has to be something REALLY fucking offensive and as a woman who hears shop talk all day I dare you to find something that would shock me, lol….

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  837. on May 24, 2009 at 11:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    thats what makes you being alive on planet earth western side crazy lol

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  838. on May 24, 2009 at 11:42 pm Lady Rain

    eh, I’m like a fine wine. People always hate me at first… in real life as well. I would expect no less and it’s mostly because until someone has had enough conversations with me to “catch on” to what my tone means and of course I do have a VERY sarcastic and sometimes meanspirited sense of humor. These are not immediately charming traits, but most people who know me are aware that I would never poke fun at someone I truly hated. I would refuse to acknowledge that they exist.

    That’s why I get the equivalent of Scooby-Doo making the confused face and saying “Who me?” when some of the guys on here have already coined me the Joan of Ark of Estrogen riding in on a set of ovaries and carrying signs saying “I have arrived to both confuse and torment you because my evil woman-soul desires it!”

    Wheeee if only I could really have that much hate for a group/culture/gender I’d have an endless ammunition box of “shit that’s funny” to commit to memory.

    Honestly I already committed the phrase “talking to you is like poking a cadaverous rabbit with a stick… I just can’t help myself”

    In it’s awfulness, it becomes awesome. Especially since it was used in the form of an analogy. I am going to make a concious effort to use this analogy as often as possible and attempt to do it with a really serious face.

    Again, there you see? The funniness of the statement itself was enough to override being offended in any way, lol.

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  839. on May 24, 2009 at 11:46 pm Chic Noir

    Oh gosh, it’s getting late. Eveyone left the dance. Guns, will you walk Lady and I to our cars please.

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  840. on May 24, 2009 at 11:47 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Lady we get it your a manlady blah blah blah you don’t fuck, can you shut the fuck up about it already! Dropping a whole essay no one asked for, jeez! Join the club, welcome to Château roissy!!!

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  841. on May 24, 2009 at 11:54 pm Lady Rain

    I am no such thing, my dear. and I love to fuck, thank you. What club is it I’m supposed to be joining? I missed the relevance there.

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  842. on May 24, 2009 at 11:54 pm novaseeker

    Selection along the lines of which bad boy excites you most, means men provide that and beta type providers like say, Blowhard or Thomas or DA don’t get selected.

    Author Theodore Dalrymple noted in his “Life at the Bottom” that it was not only his female welfare patients (he was a National Health Service doctor in the UK) who went after tattooed, violent bad boys (he had one memorable discussion with a 17 year old girl who’s bad boy boyfriend had broken her arm).

    It was his educated, professional nurses who told him that nice, good, decent, ordinary men bored them and violent abusers excited them. Dalyrmple correctly viewed the collapse of ordinary working/middle class British society to this selection of thugs, but could not draw the conclusions WHY (i.e. women could afford to indulge in them).

    Imagine a woman who has a kid with a bad boy. She’s chosen that man above all others to be the father of her child. With contraception and abortion cheap and easy, no other conclusion can be drawn.

    Indeed, Whiskey. This is what is happening.

    And what do we see here? This kind of nonsense:

    “Women really do want both the dominant skillful emotion manipulator and bang up lover, and the good loyal and intelligent provider. They want both even if they do alright economically on there own. Or the great majority of women do.”

    Right again. I do more than ok financially, I don’t require a man to support me and yes I want both.

    Of course you want both. Noone disputes that. But most women cannot find that. And it isnt as simple as some say .. essentially some here have internalized the feminist shaming language directed at men: man up, and women will find their alpha mates, never divorce and all will be well in never-never land … as if that will change things like family law and the cultural permission for men and women alike to be promiscuous … of course it will not, but it will help some people here flirt, which is a goal of some here, it would seem.

    Women want both. They do not often find both in the same man. Doug blames men for this. I am very skeptical of that in light of the fact that our sperm have evolved to compete with the sperm of other men inside the female body, among many other evolutionary indicia. I do not blame women, it is just how men and women are. Realizing that, and not shaming men, seems the better path forward for men.

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  843. on May 24, 2009 at 11:54 pm collegeboy

    Lady T-pain:

    I can tell your getting addicted to this blog. I recommend you seek theraphy via sobriety from Château Roissy.

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  844. on May 24, 2009 at 11:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    Now imagine going to a place where basically woman like you where just growing on trees. They all take responsibility for their actions. On top of that they have class and don’t swear or try to be one of the guys. They are not trying to be woman pretending to be men pretending to be woman. They are just all woman. But with some additional work rain you could be pretty close to being one. Man I am looking forward to vacation 🙂

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  845. on May 25, 2009 at 12:04 am Lady Rain

    collegeboy,

    I can get addicted to any blog given the content. Admit it, you’re just worried that I’ll run some game on you and you will be defenseless to stop it. Don’t worry, I’m a fair player.

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  846. on May 25, 2009 at 12:05 am Lady Rain

    Guns–

    Yeah but then the competition would be much tougher for me!!!

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  847. on May 25, 2009 at 12:08 am aliasclio

    Lady Rain, you sound as if you’re probably a good mother, and I’m sure your son will turn out well enough if he has a few good “role models” in his life, but there is one thing you should be careful of. Children want their fathers. If they think their mothers have in some way denied them access to their fathers, even if the father isn’t really a good man or doesn’t want them, they often start to resent their mothers for it, esp. once they reach adolescence.

    A child may also resent you for not having married his father. You may think marriage is just a piece of paper – but to a child it’s a solid, legal, undeniable link to his father, one which confers a right to demand acknowledgement from his father, even if he can’t demand love as a right.

    I’ve known several cases of mothers who were heartbroken to see their children leave home at age 14 to live with their fathers. Some fathers will even allow their children to move in with them just because it hurts the children’s mothers.

    p.s. I suspect that the other readers here are right and that your son would be embarrassed by your webpage if he were old enough to make any sense out of it. Parents of children should not discuss their sexual histories and habits in a public forum in which the children’s school friends or their parents could stumble across it. Your son must be about six – isn’t it time to take the thing down now? Do you want him to have to fight other boys in the school yard if they call you names?

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  848. on May 25, 2009 at 12:09 am Comment_Whatever

    Here is Shouting Thomas Preying On Male Insecurities:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/so-you-want-to-be-a-badboy/

    Shouting Thomas said:

    But, any man who goes to an advice column to learn how to deal with women is a lost cause. If you are reading this for that purpose, then you are just wasting your time.

    Roissy, it’s a funny shtick, but it’s just another advice for the lovelorn column.

    The real key to being a man is… stand alone. Don’t look to others for advice or for praise.

    End Shouting Thomas

    Let’s start with the hard-elbow to the young man’s gut.
    ‘You are a LOST CAUSE AT 22!’-Shouty proudly says.

    IS A LOST CAUSE!!!!!

    THEN

    Shouting Thomas said:

    The real key to being a man is… stand alone. Don’t look to others for advice or for praise.

    End Thomas

    Figure it all out yourself!!!!!

    Make all the mistakes over again, that every young man makes. Suffering is fun. Life-destroying errors are fun. If your wife divorces you because you don’t have LTR advice from people who have already been through it, like Dave from Hawaii, at least you failed on your own!

    I mean, Shouty is such a horrible person that my mind temporarily shut down reading that. I just entered a fugue state of continuous cursing.

    I can’t put up with him any more. If you want to mouth off in his defense, then do so.

    Everything below was written first. But it hardly matters.

    PA said:


    Comment_, buddy you’re awesome. Good thing you ignored my advice to be funny and instead went with Tupac’s “let the hate flow!” Not enough hate yet, though. Concentrate it, distill it. Let it sear and burn. You know you can.

    But… how is ST beating up on lower status people? He’s an old-coot widower bar-band singer who’se keeping up with the economy by enrolling in nursing school and wiping old people’s asses, per his blog entries.

    And who are the bosses that approve of his “beating up on lower status people”?

    More hate, dude. But concentrate it better. You’re still all over the place, dissipating its precious vitality.

    End PA

    Stage 2:
    And now PA can’t even BEGIN to understand what I’m talking about.

    Unfortunately, I actually have Shouting Thomas’s blog to read. So it’s a pretty retarded move to make. But of course, you have your little lie dance to go through, don’t you, PA?

    Well here is a Boss that Shouty most definitely approves of:

    http://shoutingthomas.typepad.com/harleys_cars_girls_guitar/2009/05/blamebush-out-of-business.html

    He might as well just go down on Bush. Bush messed up bad. Why doesn’t ‘non-political’ Thomas grow a pair and say, quietly of course, that maybe things would be a little better if Bush hadn’t pressed the gas-pedal full down as America went over the cliff? But Thomas is A REAL MAN. Real Men suck the boss with full vacuum suction no matter how much the Boss messed up.

    http://shoutingthomas.typepad.com/harleys_cars_girls_guitar/2005/09/i_fought_the_la.html

    Shouting Thomas said:

    “I don’t have any politics, except for the politics of avoidance.”

    His support for Bush seems odd with his claimed ‘non-politicalness’. First this is a result of Shouty being whatever it is convenient to be at a given time.

    Second, he is being honest. He isn’t lying here. The Boss is right. He’ll support the Republicans no matter what they do. Doesn’t matter. They are his Boss, and he will support any policy at all. Insane. Destructive. Completely against their claimed goals. He is on-board. So that is non-political. He follows The Boss.

    Shouty speaks about religion:


    “I’m just trying to avoid being ensnared by crazy women who want to reform me. I can’t see any difference between them and pious, evangelical Christian women.”

    Hates religion to. Surely the Elite are against that, eh, PA? Oh, wait, Religion gets in the way of $$$, so Shouty is on board here. Needless to say, Religion, and Marriage specifically, is a problem for the Sexual Revolution. Do I need to spell out why to PA? So on board with the feminists there to.

    If only we had more bold, defiant voices like Shouty.

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  849. on May 25, 2009 at 12:10 am aoefe

    ” You know, playing at the computer’s different from watching a television program. You can bring your own ideas to whatever happens on the computer. And your ideas are special. So are you!

    It’s such a good feeling, a very good feeling.
    The feeling you know that we’re friends. ” Mr. Rogers

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  850. on May 25, 2009 at 12:15 am Hollywood Hotsauce

    Anyone here seen Full Metal Alchemist? Great show so far!!

    Lady I’m kinda disappointed by that response, you running low on ammo?

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  851. on May 25, 2009 at 12:15 am collegeboy

    Lady T-pain:

    Don’t flatter yourself. We here men and boys at Château Roissy live in a hyper-reality, hence the blogs name,”Where Pretty Lies Perish.” Your “game” as you call will not only be ineffective but annoying at best.

    Night night, playa.

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  852. on May 25, 2009 at 12:18 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Wow! Clio is back. Let’s hope Tupac and Kick a Bitch don’t scare her away again.

    As for your actual point, Clio, I contend the reason kids of single moms statistically do worse than other kids is poor breeding, not upbringing or lack of a dad.

    Both personailty and intelligence have a large genetic component, even if it’s not politically correct to say so. The mistake single moms make is not being single moms, but breeding with Harley Dudes and expecting to raise the next Bill Gates. Ain’t gonna happen unless you have the raw material there to begin with.

    Genetics are becoming rightly recognized as determinants of success — everyone should check out Steve Sailor and Half Sigma’s blogs for numbers and more data.

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  853. on May 25, 2009 at 12:19 am Comment_Whatever

    The below is a shortened version of my full comment, containing the core of it. Hopefully, it will avoid moderation.

    Here is Shouting Thomas being kind to lesser men:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/so-you-want-to-be-a-badboy/

    Shouting Thomas said:

    But, any man who goes to an advice column to learn how to deal with women is a lost cause. If you are reading this for that purpose, then you are just wasting your time.

    Roissy, it’s a funny shtick, but it’s just another advice for the lovelorn column.

    The real key to being a man is… stand alone. Don’t look to others for advice or for praise.

    End Shouting Thomas

    Let’s start with the hard-elbow to the young man’s gut.
    ‘You are a LOST CAUSE AT 22!’-Shouty proudly says.

    IS A LOST CAUSE!!!!!

    THEN

    Shouting Thomas said:

    The real key to being a man is… stand alone. Don’t look to others for advice or for praise.

    End Thomas

    Figure it all out yourself!!!!! He actually said that!!!!

    Make all the mistakes over again, that every young man makes. Suffering is fun. Life-destroying errors are fun. If your wife divorces you because you don’t have LTR advice from people who have already been through it, like Dave from Hawaii, at least you failed on your own!

    I mean, Shouty is such a horrible person that my mind temporarily shut down reading that. I just entered a fugue state of continuous cursing.

    I can’t put up with him any more. If you want to mouth off in his defense, then do so.

    Shouty had a lot more horrible comments before I found that one, but I’m trying to beat the moderation bot.

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  854. on May 25, 2009 at 12:22 am Lady Rain

    AliasClio,

    I agree that you are correct in that many children grow up and blame mothers (who were sometimes just trying to protect them from being “disappointed” by the father). I consider this to very serious and not handled lightly.

    Due to the fact that his father “opted out” by his own choice, sadly if my son wants to find him he’ll literally have to go seeking him out because I have no idea his whereabouts or even if he is still alive. However, I am careful not to EVER mention his “father” in his presence in ANYWAY. I do not want to unconciously influence his opinion of his father IF someday he decides to seek him out.

    Currently I do NOT deny him rights privately nor do I deny them legally. He choose to not be involved and I just hope that my son someday understand that I never kept him away, but the sad truth is going to be even MORE hurtful in that his father just didn’t care about him or being there for him.

    Sadly he’ll probably discover this on his own and I have no intention of stopping him if he wants to seek out his father. If he is still the man today that he was then, I have no doubt that my son will see him for what he really is either good or bad.

    Thus far I have no programmed any purposely negative thoughts into his head and he hasn’t at this point asked WHY he doesn’t have a father. He’s just aware that he doesn’t have one and seems satisfied by that. I don’t lie to him and blow sunshine up his ass, but I also don’t ever want him to feel like I projected my adult problems/resentments of his father onto HIM.

    That is inexcusable when ANY parent plays THAT particular brand of game. YOU never talk about your spouse in a nasty way in front of a child even if the parents are still married. It’s just not right.

    As for my page, while you may not approve of the booty pic, it is (in my defense) the equivalent of granny-panties. It hasn’t been on there very long either. Otherwise though I don’t know of any graphic pic on there or sexually explicit writings or pictures of any kind so I’m not sure I agree. I may be a mother, but I am still a woman and my son will also have to realize someday that his mother is not perfect, she’s human and is not to be put on a pedestal of ideals that just do not exist. He will never be able to function in a society of women with “quirks” if I present myself to be Supermom and the Perfect Women. I respect your disagreement with me on this, but my opinion holds strong. (however yes once he’s in school I’ll have to be a bit more careful as to the jokes I make and my page and such) lest he take them to heart and think my humor is serious.

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  855. on May 25, 2009 at 12:28 am Lady Rain

    Collegeboy–

    Don’t drive the serious-train all the time. I was just dicking around with you… sheesh

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  856. on May 25, 2009 at 12:32 am Lady Rain

    Hollywood,

    Yes actually… more like running a bit too WELL on Ativan to keep typing!! (Don’t judge, I have OCD) and before one of you says anything, OCD is rare in women and is also not an emotional disorder. So don’t say “see all women are crazy” Also it only affects people of above-average intelligence so I can pretend I’m just “eccentric” because of that.

    (I’m just “advance-defending” the possible insults that can come from making that admission)

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  857. on May 25, 2009 at 12:34 am Lady Rain

    Okay goodnight for now kids! I’m off to finish writing my “Why I Love My Ovaries” poem….

    with much angry feminist love xoxoxo to all.

    ~wendy~

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  858. on May 25, 2009 at 12:36 am aoefe

    @L.R.

    Scene from the Changelling – Angelina – paraphrased from memory – explaining when her son asks why he’s never met his dad.

    Angie- ” your daddy got this gift box and he didn’t even try to open it.

    Little boy – ” what was in the box?”

    Angie – ” responsability”

    Little boy – ” that’s just dumb”

    Angie – ” That’s what I thought too”

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  859. on May 25, 2009 at 12:40 am Tarl

    Lady Rain, you sound as if you’re probably a good mother, and I’m sure your son will turn out well enough if he has a few good “role models” in his life,

    Yeah, lots of good mothers get knocked up by a loser they won’t let their children have anything to do with. Based on what we know about her ability to pick men, there’s not much hope she’ll find those “good role models” the boys needs.

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  860. on May 25, 2009 at 12:43 am aoefe

    @L.R.

    I think you might want to ask yourself why you’ve revealed so much of yourself here. OCD disclosure? How is that relevant to anything that’s been discussed? Are you seeking attention in the worst possible way? I am utterly lost as to your motives. I sincerely hope no one jumps on your mental illness (OCD) and hits you with it.

    Mr. Rogers might have this phrase for the day. Can you say
    self-re·flec·tion (slfr-flkshn)
    n.
    Self-examination; introspection.

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  861. on May 25, 2009 at 12:46 am Hollywood Hotsauce

    Lady Rain = Weak sauce.

    If you were an Hollywood flick, you just flopped at the box office. Good start..lame ending, talk about going out on a wimper!!!

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  862. on May 25, 2009 at 12:47 am Days of Broken Arrows

    aoefe said:

    “@L.R. I think you might want to ask yourself why you’ve revealed so much of yourself here. OCD disclosure? How is that relevant to anything that’s been discussed? Are you seeking attention in the worst possible way? I am utterly lost as to your motives.”

    I think you already figured our her motives in the previous line.

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  863. on May 25, 2009 at 12:53 am doublewow

    Is your nephew really named “Ransom” Lady Rain?

    If so, please explain your sister’s thinking.

    Can you see the irony in that name in the 21st C.?

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  864. on May 25, 2009 at 12:53 am aoefe

    @Broken Arrows

    I think you’re right.

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  865. on May 25, 2009 at 12:56 am aoefe

    @Bhetti

    My earlier attempt to flirt with Doug is in no way to hone in on your obvious territory. I just couldn’t resist his request.

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  866. on May 25, 2009 at 1:02 am russell rodriguez

    nice article roissy. roissy how is your name said? is it said like “roy-see”?

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  867. on May 25, 2009 at 1:03 am Days of Broken Arrows

    doublewow said:

    “Is your nephew really named “Ransom” Lady Rain? If so, please explain your sister’s thinking. Can you see the irony in that name in the 21st C.?”

    Ummm…would that name have worked back in the 20th century?!?! When would naming a kid Random have worked?

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  868. on May 25, 2009 at 1:35 am whiskey

    Sadly, I’m sure Lady Rain realizes that her son WILL be tormented at school. With the photos and blog entries. Since nothing ever dies on the internet (Internet Wayback Machine) and his classmates will be sure to dig it up. Well, a fight a day will make him either withdrawn or a guy who looks for one.

    Think Cartman and his Mom. But the pull of exhibitionism among women in MySpace is strong. Tame stuff for MySpace, by all accounts (have not seen it). Women just can’t resist posting stuff about themselves. Stuff that will with the internet hang around for decades.
    ———————————-
    The best way to work on a woman’s weakness is with your own strength. If you are a good looking guy, go with your looks, with a woman uncertain of hers. Suggest she’s not good looking enough to be with you. Very elliptically.

    For me, I’m average looking, so I go with what I know. Particularly if a girl is arty but uncertain about the depth of her knowledge, I use my museum going to my advantage. The mastery of Daumier’s linestrokes, or why Thomas Eakins is fully the equal of the French Impressionists, why his paintings literally hit you from across the room.

    But then, arty type girls are my type anyway.
    ———————————-
    Re Shouting Thomas. He’s an older guy who doesn’t know the system that brought him into being literally does not exist anymore. He’s totally clueless (Michael Blowhard also) on how radically women have changed. He thinks most women are like his late wife.

    Instead they are like Lady Rain. By her own admission, her son comes second before her desires. Which comes first. That’s most women.

    I see this a lot in older men. They just have no clue as to why and how men fail with women. They think there’s lots of “nice girls” who just want a nice guy. They have no idea that “nice girls” are out in the bar every week with the bad boys, and nice girls can have no desire for “nice guys” and would rather have just rotating bad boys. Since there’s no reason for nice girls to desire nice boys.

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  869. on May 25, 2009 at 2:16 am Marcus Aureliette

    I am off to be Married!!!!!!!!!
    See you alll on the other side.

    Aw, look, our Gregi’s all growed up! Congrats to you, Gregi!

    no one gets marcus aurilious though shes my new third string.

    You silver-tongued devil, you! Third string? *sigh* Story of my life.

    Now I just need to see marcus.

    You have quite enough to keep you busy for the foreseeable future without dragging me into it, bucko. ;D

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  870. on May 25, 2009 at 2:32 am Anonymous

    aoefe

    @Welmer

    Ya, uh huh, that is what I was totally going for. Ya got me.

    Sarcasm def: Sarcasm is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing. …

    Pedantic

    Pronunciation: \pi-ˈdan-tik\

    def: narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned

    I like this one, from Wikipedia (although I often take issue with the Wik): A pedant is a person who is overly concerned with formalism and precision, or who ‘makes a show of learning’. The corresponding (archaic) female noun is pedantess.

    “Pedantess.” Classic!

    It sounds a bit like “pantless.”

    Aoefe the pantless pedantess

    So funny.

    🙂

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  871. on May 25, 2009 at 2:33 am Welmer

    aoefe

    @Welmer

    Ya, uh huh, that is what I was totally going for. Ya got me.

    Sarcasm def: Sarcasm is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing. …

    Pedantic

    Pronunciation: \pi-ˈdan-tik\

    def: narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned

    I like this one, from Wikipedia (although I often take issue with the Wik): A pedant is a person who is overly concerned with formalism and precision, or who ‘makes a show of learning’. The corresponding (archaic) female noun is pedantess.

    “Pedantess.” Classic!

    It sounds a bit like “pantless.”

    Aoefe the pantless pedantess

    So funny.

    🙂

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  872. on May 25, 2009 at 2:36 am Welmer

    Sorry, forgot to post the url first, hence the double post. But it was worth it, if only Aoefel Knaoefel sees such a witty joke.

    Admit it Aoefe, you got cornholed.

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  873. on May 25, 2009 at 2:43 am Chic Noir

    whiskey For me, I’m average looking, so I go with what I know. Particularly if a girl is arty but uncertain about the depth of her knowledge, I use my museum going to my advantage. The mastery of Daumier’s linestrokes, or why Thomas Eakins is fully the equal of the French Impressionists, why his paintings literally hit you from across the room.

    But then, arty type girls are my type anyway.

    I swear Whiskey I don’t understand why you are single. There must be more to your story. This just can’t be all.

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  874. on May 25, 2009 at 2:58 am Thursday

    Why does anyone pay attention to female commenters like LR? Guys, it’s called feeding the attention whore. Look at how long this thread has gotten.

    The quality of regular male commenters here is pretty high, but with a few exceptions (omw, Clio, Hope) most of the female commenters here are just not worth reading or responding to. I just skip past them.

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  875. on May 25, 2009 at 3:38 am Glengarry

    Cracked forums: “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    Phase two. Peace, brothers.

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  876. on May 25, 2009 at 6:02 am Mikkel

    Following Sturgeon’s Law this thread now contains 783 crap comments.

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  877. on May 25, 2009 at 6:05 am Mikkel

    Thursday: Why does anyone pay attention to female commenters like LR? Guys, it’s called feeding the attention whore.

    QFT

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  878. on May 25, 2009 at 7:10 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Thursday: “Why does anyone pay attention to female commenters like LR? Guys, it’s called feeding the attention whore. Look at how long this thread has gotten.”

    I said as much earlier, but the guys here seem to get obsessed with the females in weird ways. This either feeds their egos (which is what happened above) or scares them off (which I assume happened with Hope, Clio, Lemmonex and others).

    As for you, Thursday, I read your blog and have to say I avoided virgins like the plague when I was young enough that they were in my dating peer group. I always felt I would leave too much of an impression and they wouldn’t leave me alone if I hit it. In fact, this did happen and two of them now seem to track me down each time I’m in a new place on the Web. I would avoid virgins and go for women w/ just a few partners, who seem better adjusted.

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  879. on May 25, 2009 at 7:49 am gig

    most of the female commenters here are just not worth reading or responding to

    my thoughts also. Lady rain was interesting when she appeared, because she embodies what’s wrong in the west today. She is for feminism what the octomom is for the fiscal situation in california.

    But she’s got nothing else to add. Anyway, for those who remeber the LILGRL fiasco, when a dozen adults started openly flirting with an IP who claimed to be a girl, you will see that Lady rain is far above LILGRL.

    She is not only an IP, she is a myspace [whorish] profile. If you felt that you had any chance with LILGRL, Lady Rain is fair game

    Comment_whatever

    SHouting Thomas is part of the Lawrence Auster school of PUAs. He knows everything you have to do to marry an innocent evangelical virgin from kentucky…..in the 50s. There are very few men above 40 who have any understanding of the mating game today. But the worst are those from the Auster/Thomas school, who effectively advocate for celibacy, clouded in their lunatic views of the sexual market

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  880. on May 25, 2009 at 8:52 am PA

    Genetics are becoming rightly recognized as determinants of success — everyone should check out Steve Sailor and Half Sigma’s blogs for numbers and more data.

    DOBA,

    Your reply to Clio was obtuse. She knows that genetics determine a lot but this fact doesn’t negate her point that boys need fathers.

    For all we know, maybe on a purely mechanistic level the testosterone emmited by a male at home has a salutatory effect on a boy’s neural development.

    Or give a bunch of seventeen-year-olds a football. Same talent, same genes: will they do better when they try to figure out the game on their own, or if they have a coach?

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  881. on May 25, 2009 at 9:00 am aoefe

    @Welmer

    “Sorry, forgot to post the url first, hence the double post. But it was worth it, if only Aoefel Knaoefel sees such a witty joke.”

    Yep.

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  882. on May 25, 2009 at 9:00 am Reader Mailbag: Iambic Pentameter Edition

    Alert, Lady Rain, flash a smile and a wink
    Days knows a boy whose sub-27
    – A chance for a hook-up that you should cherish

    The daddyless thug is covered in ink
    You up for a match that’s made in heaven
    – Or, more precisely, where pretty lies perish?

    (inspiration drawn from http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/how-to-prey-on-womens-insecurities/#comment-84690)

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  883. on May 25, 2009 at 9:03 am PA

    Lady rain […] is for feminism what the octomom is for the fiscal situation in california.
    […]
    SHouting Thomas is part of the Lawrence Auster school of PUAs.

    Gig, two great analogies!

    Though as far as the latter goes, yours, Whiskey’s and Comment’s_ points are a bit off-mark, because ST is not necessarily a good example of a guy to listen to about today’s dating scene. That’s not what he does, as they say.

    His virtue is the fact that he combines both sides of the male coin, if you will, aggression and protectiveness. Which is why I mentioned him earlier: he is an example of the fact that sometimes the alpha stud / beta provider dichotomy is an artificial one, and there is no reason why a guy can’t be both.

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  884. on May 25, 2009 at 9:23 am Default Twoser

    sara I

    I think you were wrong about my angiogram number thing that you mentioned on the Hero thread.

    I am more interested in how you came up with your guess (type 2).

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  885. on May 25, 2009 at 9:38 am Default User

    Chic noir

    *runs over to grab defualt’s hand before sara,bhetti,anony etc..*

    default, will you dance with me.
    *gives default big puppy dog eyes*

    It seems I was away from this blog and thus missed your IOI.

    Sara doesn’t care.
    Bhetti has eyes for another.
    anony is frankly a bit anonymous for my taste.

    You and your puppy dog eyes. One of these days my Alpha resolve will crack. One of these days…

    Although, I hear you like ’em tall. I am taller than my gravatar, but not by much. So be careful what you wish for.

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  886. on May 25, 2009 at 10:05 am Default User

    Lady Rain

    I dare you to find something that would shock me, lol

    I think you are soft, sweet, and feminine. Will you marry me.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Shocked?

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  887. on May 25, 2009 at 10:09 am aliasclio

    DOB: I comment less than I used to because a) I see the futility of it; and b) I began to get bored with the way the discussions took the same form, time after time. But I have continued to comment at least a couple of times a week. It would take more than either Tupac or Kick to scare me away.

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  888. on May 25, 2009 at 12:06 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Clio:

    It would take more than either Tupac or Kick to scare me away.

    A strong, independent woman. I like that.

    Now kiss me you fool.

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  889. on May 25, 2009 at 12:27 pm doug1

    Chic Noir

    DA Grows A Pair

    hell no this isn’t DA. This is more shocking that my peanuts run a week ago.

    Very funny comments Chic. (And possibly even helpful. Naaa.)

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  890. on May 25, 2009 at 12:28 pm doug1

    Lady Rain—

    Days–

    No matter how shitty you get about it, I do “raise” my son. I’m aware that genes play a huge role no matter how loving and strong a single mom/single dad is.

    There was nothing shitty about how Days of Broken Arrows got towards you in his immediately prior comment to you. He simply related an anecdote that illustrated the importance of genetics. Not everything that has critical implications about you is “getting very shitty”.

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  891. on May 25, 2009 at 12:32 pm doug1

    Rum–

    You [Bhetti] probably will not enjoy reading this, but here it is: Lady Rain has posted pictures of her fine ass and you have not. So she wins in guy-land. Modesty has a huge cost nowadays.

    Oh I know Bhetti will have had no problem reading that at all. She is modest, as in pure and uncorrupted; innocent and radiant. Her pics are for her one man only.

    But make no mistake. No burka or headscarf wearer she. She just recently sent me pics of herself at her flat mate’s birthday party, wearing spike five inch heels and a fetching short (ish) Coco Channel (knockoff) dress. Hot but informally elegant.

    Bhetti’s a clear, unambiguous, undeniable 8. A young, radiant and very sexy looking 8, to Lady Rain’s hard looking 6.

    Pure, but hot, passionate, romance novel devouring, and sexually yearning. Fools, she’s what you thought no longer existed, at least in the Anglosphere.

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  892. on May 25, 2009 at 12:52 pm Default User

    Chic noir
    Chic quoted by doug1 above:

    …hell no this isn’t DA. This is more shocking that my peanuts run a week ago.

    I hope you are not saying there is not more where that came from. Those were good.

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  893. on May 25, 2009 at 12:53 pm doug1

    Chic Noir—

    Gunslingergregi said

    bhetti you have yahoo chat?

    You up for it I need some help figuring out the wedding night

    See you are going to get azz caped in here. Wait until doug1 sees this nonsense.

    No need. When I wasn’t around here last night but rather doing “she knew not what” my online girl loyally said “no, you [gunslingergregi] don’t need it, and I’m off to bed”. How great is that? No wonder I’m hooked.

    This though from the ADD dude who has repeatedly accused me of being a “sneaky fucker” simply because he lost (and hasn’t really gotten more than amused micro flirting from anyone). Well in early days of my then very occasionally flirting with Bhetti among others, I did a pssst to him that Bhetti was interested in him, just to stir things up a bit. Sneaky fucker? Projecting much?

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  894. on May 25, 2009 at 12:58 pm aoefe

    I work in the field of psychology specifically dealing with male youth ages 12 – 20 and it’s very apparent how the absence of a healthy male role model affects them. Biology places a significant role of course, however studies have shown the presence of one healthy role model increases dramatically their chances for a healthy future. Kids are fortunately very resilient. This does NOT abdicate our responsibility or take away our guilt for making poor choices as a parent however.

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  895. on May 25, 2009 at 1:08 pm Default DJ

    This thread needs another musical break.

    He may not having been singing about chicks, but he could be:

    some are like water, some are like the heat
    some are a melody and some are the beat
    sooner or later they all will be gone
    why don’t they stay young?

    Hey guys. We know that we are all happy, hardcore, Alpha, and (unlike the chicks) Forever Young.

    [The original version]

    [I will have to stop posting videos. I do not want to become the GNPeter of YouTube (you know a one trick gimmick poster)]

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  896. on May 25, 2009 at 1:14 pm too late for romance

    Why does anyone pay attention to female commenters like LR? Guys, it’s called feeding the attention whore. Look at how long this thread has gotten.

    This.

    It’s pretty damn beta to waste time recognizing and discussing cunts who deserve no notice, and that is about 9/10ths of the female posters here as exemplified in this thread by LR.

    Sure it is always fun to fuck with people who ask for it but fucking with headcase damaged goods is about as much fun as going to a prestocked enfenced “hunting reserve” and bagging some semi-domesticated elk. It’s pathetic really and a waste of time.

    The exception proving the rule is Aoefe, who actually makes logical points and acknowledges the possibility that she might be missing some dynamics of male-female relations that those of us with dicks might catch and commend upon. But she is far too rational, at least so far, to be anything other than an outlier.

    A good chunk of these 800+ posts are inherently pussified because they deal with a bitch who doesn’t deserve a second glance, let alone the time it takes to type a word.

    In fact, I feel like a pussy just for typing this post. I need to sit outside in the heat and drink beer while smoking my bbq brisket to get some testosterone back into my system.

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  897. on May 25, 2009 at 1:21 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    But make no mistake. No burka or headscarf wearer she. She just recently sent me pics of herself at her flat mate’s birthday party, wearing spike five inch heels and a fetching short (ish) Coco Channel (knockoff) dress. Hot but informally elegant.

    Bhetti’s a clear, unambiguous, undeniable 8

    Bhetti…uhhh….uhhh…:

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  898. on May 25, 2009 at 1:26 pm Kamal S.

    PA“It doesn’t matter if some pixles on a blog comment thread hate you. It matters what your son will feel for you in 10-20-40 years.”

    ditto. Really that’s the most important thing. Obviously our personal ideologies about marriage and single parenting are often based on our own family experiences, in Lady Rain’s case she indicates some strict religious upbringing and a personal sexual ethos based on a libertine worldview.

    Lady Rain, you miss a point. We have many biological urges, and many urges that can’t even be solidly traced to biological impulses anyway, but still seem innate. The urge to fuck a variety of attractive people is only one of many urges. The problem is that we are not all, always, biologically programmed to be utter fuck monkeys, we are also programmed to seek and find pair bond relationships, which are the foundation of marriage, this is innate to humanity. And stable cultures cultivate and encourage some primal urges while discouraging others. My primal urge to ram a kid’s head into the counter at the super market when he makes a snide remark to me about my choice of groceries is a primal urge that is very bad to act on in society.

    A society of people only following their primal urges is a society in its death throes.
    Anyway, a ton of research indicates not only that coupling, pair bonding, and some form of marriage is innate to almost every culture on earth, even the most primitive. It is the very foundation of the family in a sustainable society itself. When a society is full of women and men, but women in particular due to the unique nature of the female sexual cycle and childbirth, play the field constantly their entire adult lives, societies break down. It is reasonable for a society to erect moral barriers to some types of behavior in order to enable the survival and evolution of the species.

    In our culture it is a proven fact that children, and in particular sons, raised in a pair bonded family unit with a mother figure and a father figure have a much higher probability of success in life, however you want to define success, than children in single parent households. This fact elicits an emotional response from some single parents, but it shouldn’t. It is an existential fact, not a moral judgment. It is, and indeed all morality in all cultures somehow originates from existential facts and reality.

    These are facts. Whether our personal lives are congruent with the facts is another thing, whether we CAN make our personal lives congruent with facts is also another thing, but being cognizant of the facts themselves is important.

    As a divorced child I know how my family reacted with the absence of our father, and what little I was able to recover by systematically seeking out older men. This is where the crisis of gangs in our country comes from in inner cities. But the social effects of fatherlessness is just as profound in the middle class. And while the few upper class single family households I’ve known seemed to have had well adjusted kids, I bet dollars to doughnuts the kids had some rather interesting neurotic traits under the surface and were on meds. My old high school is full of kids like this. I went to a small prep school, at some time in the last decade, its social dynamics changed radically and it was full of children of very successful single moms or divorced remarried parents. Also odd, in my graduating class there was 1 kid on anti depressants and anti psychotics. A few other clinically depressed kids to (I was one of them) but none so bad as to need medication. Now the school’s one of the most medicated in the DC area. Kid you not. One of my best friends teaches there now, when he told me how many of his students were pill poppers I was stunned. Somehow I think these things can be correlated.

    People refuse to face these things, often, because they are painful and they suggest that choices we have made in our lives, personal choices of passion, somehow make us into bad people. Reality can hurt but it can also heal, unless we prevent it. What is, is, how we creatively deal with what is, is what defines our maturity as adults.

    Lady Rain, marriage or marriage like long term relationships are a risk, for both partners and a child. So are many things. If you are not looking to “settle down” because of past experiences, or simply because of a desire for sexual variety, or both, this is your choice. But all choices have consequences, good and bad. There are always trade-offs. Sometimes we cannot see these trade offs until much, much, later in life. There’s nothing preachy in this, just the facts. You might have a larger job on your hands than you expect when your kid turns 13 or 14. No, doesn’t mean you have to do the old fashioned thing and run out and find a substitute daddy and hubby.

    But it does mean that by not at least being open to something like this, at least, and by ruling out in principle (which you seem to) the very idea of a long term familial AND romantic relationship with a stable attractive and good man who may be good with you, and your son – by ruling out in principle looking for this kind of love – you may be exchanging one set of risks for another. They say once burned, twice shy, but if I lived by that rule I’d have nothing whatsoever to do with women. I believe the female gender deserves second and third chances from me, so my search continues.

    The old order, and old fashioned values, get knocked constantly in our generation, but often we don’t even fully understand why the old order existed. Like Aladdin’s mother trading new lamps for old, after all, who doesn’t want a new lamp? At one time discernment and discrimination of details ruled our mindsets. The devil, and god alike, lie in the details. Details matter..

    Comment_whatever@
    Well, at least you don’t sound like a complete ass when being caustic. Your flame skills need a bit of work though, for example, you over-used the phrase “captain save-a-ho” which indicates a real lack of imagination and creativity.

    Your point sorta kinda sank home for… a second. Before I realized that you really had no point.

    If it makes you feel happy warm and fuzzy at night to believe I’m some spineless “captain save a ho” – and an idiot to boot – then by all means, indulge your imagination and make me into a target of your personal ire and displeasure. I could frankly hardly give a damn either way. I know who and what I am, you hardly need my permission to act like an ass or hold your opinions, both are natural rights that I wouldn’t deny you. I won’t deny that you make some interesting points, they are directed at the wrong target however.

    Usually when people get pissed off at me its because I hit a nerve. The question is.. Why is that nerve exposed? Same with Lady Rain, I admit, when I first read a couple of her rants my first reaction was “wow, dumb single mom, making bad life choices, with a chip on her shoulders, how typical” Then I stopped and, like, actually read what she was trying to say and realized that, well, what she was trying to say was a bit more complex than I thought.

    Whiskey and PA@
    Touché, I can admit being trumped by good points.

    Yes chivalry is part of the zombie, but I’m chivalrous to everyone, man and woman alike, for the same reason I polish my shoes. It’s good for my soul, and I’m nostalgic about things from the dead old order. Extreme jackasses and extreme whores get considerably less respect from me, but I loose nothing by extending basic courtesy. Unless someone needs schooling, bad. Then a good can of verbal whoop-ass comes into play.

    A mild mannered public exterior makes the rare occasions when I lay it into someone rather remarkable. Stuns them like deer in headlights because they really didn’t see it coming…

    chic and Lady Rain alike@
    “Some say the same thing about people with a body full of tattoos. They are no longer a marker of who is/not cool since everyone has one. To each his/her own..”

    Bingo. It’s hard to see outside our own cultural milieu. Tattoos are becoming a greater part of the general culture now, and are becoming acceptable outside of punk/hardcore kids, rockabilly musicians, sailors, marines, and organized crime. Anyone in those groupings can get all the ink they want WITH MY BLESSING.

    But tattoos were never meant to be mainstream, hence they still have a rebellious cachet, and are still class markers. So unless you exist outside the general, still very real, class structure (e.g. You are a gangster, hardened criminal, or artist or on some avant garde fringe) the things just scream really loud “Stick me in a certain class and keep me there!”
    The only milieus in which tattoos are excusable by the general society is among artists and musicians, in particular the avant garde.

    Society in general still sees them as kind of prole and plebian. Now, if this irks you then well this is what society in general thinks. They are also still not acceptable in many professional environments, those professionals who do get them, get them in discrete places that are easy to hide. I have a friend who is a banker, all of his ink is in really easy to hide places and his nose piercing can flip up to be all but invisible to a client. Neat trick. He’s smart with his rebellion. There is a reason for this.

    Class is a real phenomenon, we have NOT evolved to a classless society, it’s just become more subtle. So why type yourself in an obvious way?

    Our culture’s – or those who run our culture – general view is that tattoos them is still trashier than tacky nails. After all, how many office receptionists do you know who have fake nails, vs. proudly displayed neck tattoos? Getting them in obvious places to “keep real” prevents one from moving up the social scale. People used to seek to move out of the under-class, now it’s glamorized to remain in it, which is a really clever Madison Ave. trick of keeping competition and threats to one’s own class hegemony minimal. Can’t blame em, look at how many people willing to get neck tattoos of their baby daddy’s name.

    The only upper class girls with tattoos I ever dated or known were artists, or hung out as outliers in artistic circles. No matter how bizarre perverse antinomian and freaky some upper class girls are, for the most part they are mostly un tattooed and only pierced in socially acceptable places.. or if they have tattoos they are in very discrete places. I used to know one law student, who kept a very discrete and small symbolic tattoo on the nape of her neck, under her hairline. Never dated her, we were pool hall buddies, anyway she came from a real estate family.

    Tattoos, like it or not, are class markers, and they mark you for life. There is no judgment call in this. I like some artistic, intelligent, tattoos but frankly after a run of dating girls who almost all had all sorts of tattoos, it was really refreshing to run into a girl whose skin was pure and unmarked by ink and doodles.

    American girls are getting out of control with the piercings and tattoos, guys are too. I once met a gal with a tattoo of a bloody moustache on her finger. It was cute for 4 minutes then got aggravating. So few girls under 22 are un-pierced in both nostrils, septum, belly buttons, under their lips, above their lips, that frankly it has become ludicrous. What are they rebelling against? Madison Avenue? Sounds more like they are CONFORMING to me… Compared to all of this, 2 inch fake nails with the Niagara falls painted on them pales, unless the fake nails come with a tramp stamp attached…

    Not being pretentious, just pointing out the obvious – society judges. If someone is truly a rebel and actually understands this, and cares not, that’s one thing, but most people running around getting a body full of tattoos have a vested interest in not being judged, are arguably are just conforming. One friend of mine got a tattoo with hermetic symbols on his arm. It’s fascinating, and he did it because it was spiritually meaningful to him. Moreover he comes from a cultural milieu that condemns them, knowing full well the weight of what he did. He chose it, that’s something I can admire. But the old tried and true tribal design or barb wire around the bicep? 20 million knuckleheads already did that. The first 1000 who did it were original and cool, everyone else was being derivative.

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  899. on May 25, 2009 at 1:28 pm Kamal S.

    bhetti@

    All good things take time, an a good story must cook.. or rather be edited. Ruthlessly. I’ll email you a properly edited pre-publication copy though.

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  900. on May 25, 2009 at 1:33 pm Kamal S.

    too late for romance@
    “In fact, I feel like a pussy just for typing this post. I need to sit outside in the heat and drink beer while smoking my bbq brisket to get some testosterone back into my system.”

    Dude, if it is what you want to do then do it, if it was your bloody will to type that post then it was your will, and doing so as an affrimative expression of your will was alpha.

    What IS pussy is worrying about whether what one is or is not typing, who one chooses to or chooses not to respond to, or what is or is not coming out of one’s mouth, happens to typify beta behavior. It’s a move in the right direction but still becomes a compensation, an over compensation, trying to be instead of just being.

    Men are. And say what they want, to who they want, when they want, and choose how they want to devote their time. That’s manly. Or “alpha”. It’s not even about being “alpha” or “beta” its about being a man versus being a boy.

    Just be, do what the hell you want, and speak to, or choose not to speak to, who the hell you do. That is manly, this is liberating, this is. Choose to drink your beer when and where you want to, choose to sit outside when and where you want to, and choose to type a comment into a blog when and where you want to, as you will, for your own reasons. That is what being a man is all about, following our will, and choosing what we will.

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  901. on May 25, 2009 at 1:36 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Thursday:

    Different women are programmed to use different mating strategies. There are advantages to the alpha sperm raised by beta provider strategy, but it is high risk, high reward, and there are also advantages to the compromise candidate strategy.

    “I heard you on the phone
    You took his number
    Said you weren’t alone, but you’d call him soon
    Isn’t he the guy
    The guy who left you crying?
    Isn’t he the one who made you blue?
    When you remember those nights in his arms
    You know you’ve gotta make up your mind

    Are you gonna stay with the one who loves you?
    Or are you going back to the one you love?
    Someone’s gonna cry when they learn they’ve lost you
    Someone’s gonna thank the stars above”

    — The Eagles

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  902. on May 25, 2009 at 1:37 pm Joe

    Comment_whatever@
    Well, at least you don’t sound like a complete ass when being caustic. Your flame skills need a bit of work though, for example, you over-used the phrase “captain save-a-ho” which indicates a real lack of imagination and creativity.

    Your point sorta kinda sank home for… a second. Before I realized that you really had no point.

    Don’t waste your time with Comment-Douche, he’s a whiner with a mountain-sized chip on his shoulder who tries to bait people so he can get some attention, something he seems desperate for. He’s usually so filled with self-righteous bitterness he can’t even carry on coherently and misses the point a lot. Your comments have been awesome so far, stay focused and don’t waste time on that douche.

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  903. on May 25, 2009 at 1:47 pm Kamal S.

    “Pure, but hot, passionate, romance novel devouring, and sexually yearning. Fools, she’s what you thought no longer existed, at least in the Anglosphere.”

    Of course, she’s ‘Arab.

    These are cultural stereotypes based on my limited experience.

    Western cultural stereotypes aside, I believe that Arab women are among the most purely passionate in a feminine way. A mix of innocense, femininity, and sheer raw passion.

    This is the case with both Christian and Muslim ones. It’s probably because their culture is one of the last to be hit by the onslaught of leveling, androgynous, frumpy, gender-war…

    From my (limited) experience Arab women are not pushovers, in particular Egyptian and Gulf women. But they are also at the same time demure, sweet and feminine.

    At the same time they are strong women, at least compared to most middle class American girls whose attempts at being “strong” and “assertive” usually just come out as pathetically ludicrus. Most American girls can’t take a bullet without freaking out. Palestinian girls can.

    Arab women usually require a strong man, with character and integrity, because they will try a very weak man. They will remain loyal to a weak man, very loyal, but their tongues and mouths will remind him of his weakness..

    Even the few slutty ones I’ve met in my life were extremely modest by American standards, often making Catholic school girls look like strippers. On that note, I once knew an Egyptian stripper. The girl had been through some real.. crap in her family, at a young age, that wounded her deeply, and had this strong rebellious streak. At the same time she was one of the most feminine, in an old world way, creatures I’d ever met.

    A totally different breed of women. Like, take a Spaniard or an Italian, but remove most of the drama, and you have an Arab girl.

    Again, a bunch of stereotypes, take it with a grain of salt.

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  904. on May 25, 2009 at 1:54 pm PA

    I once asked Comment_ how old he is. If he were some kid, I’d have let him be, as young dudes are often overly earnest in their writing when focused on their point. But he said he’s 31.

    That’s too old to be so earnest and too young to be so bitter. I told him, in the spirit of comaraderie, to lighten up and channel his bitterness toward humor. Be funny like acid, that sort of thing.

    Tupac Chopra said “nah, let the hate flow.” Tupac’s right in retrospect. You got the venom, use it. It’s a gift like any other. Just look at Steve Earle’s face in the “Copperhead Road” video. That kind of anger comes from the bowels, and it’s strong and real. If you got it, use it.

    But learn to use it with style. That’s something our friend Comment_ is still perfecting though. As Kamal observed, his insults are unfocused and lack imagination. But Comment_ is a smart guy and he will continue perfecting the art of hate.

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  905. on May 25, 2009 at 1:56 pm PA

    Michel Houellebecq’s normally-despairing view allows for some hope when he’s writing about Arab girls in his novels.

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  906. on May 25, 2009 at 2:00 pm doug1

    Tupac–

    Yeah Tupac, that like really cuts, it does.

    The dynamic couldn’t be more different. E.g. I haven’t ever asked for her pics even, she asks me if it’s ok if she sends them to me. And recites love poems to me on here, powerful and carefully chosen ones, unasked and unprompted. I could say a lot more.

    You stick with nothing but negging all you like. You get embarrassed by praising a girl when she deserves it and has responded to it. The combo I do works for me. For one thing it’s girl specific in important ways.

    Hey we’re just doing an online thing right now that neither of us went looking for and is fun for both of us.

    And yeah I do like flirting with other girls on here, but only after IOI’s from them and I never start by trying too hard or persist without it coming back at me.

    I’ve never remotely persisted in attempting to flirt with someone when she hasn’t shown interest but instead has shown annoyance, the way you have towards Alias Clio (‘with’ seems inappropriate), even though I realize you think it’s funny.

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  907. on May 25, 2009 at 2:08 pm doug1

    Default DJ

    Please do school for fools like Tupac for the right way to link to youtube vids, so that they can stop slowing down the thread with embeds.

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  908. on May 25, 2009 at 2:24 pm Joe

    You got the venom, use it. It’s a gift like any other.

    Venom by itself is no gift. If he could couple it with incisive wit and great insight like Roissy I’d say it was a gift. Comment-Douche uses venom with bitter, incoherent rants that 9 times out of 10 have nothing to do with what original guy even wrote and are way out of proportion to what he’s responding to. It’s like he sees things that touch a nerve for whatever personal reason and goes apeshit like a bull in a china shop. The sad thing is when he’s not using venom and taking everything personally, the guy can actually made very good insightful comments!

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  909. on May 25, 2009 at 2:24 pm Kamal S.

    gig

    SHouting Thomas is part of the Lawrence Auster school of PUAs. He knows everything you have to do to marry an innocent evangelical virgin from kentucky…..in the 50s. There are very few men above 40 who have any understanding of the mating game today. But the worst are those from the Auster/Thomas school, who effectively advocate for celibacy, clouded in their lunatic views of the sexual market

    I like old school guys like this.

    That said, you’re 100% right. What a lot of older guys simply DO NOT get is that our world and culture are much different places than even 20 years ago. This even trips the head end of Gen X up, really, I was in J.r High School in the 80’s, entered high school at the end of the 80s, and have a pretty good memory of the dating culture then, when I entered college in the early 90’s, my 20’s in the mid – late 90’s, and the culture around the turn of the century, and now. Good god, in 5 year jumps, things change massively.

    Rules truly shift. Fundamentals remain, but relationships have grown progressively more bizarre for quite some time. Older guys do not get this, they do not get the vast shift in women’s attitudes towards dating, marriage, and childbearing. They think that I’m just focusing on trashy girls, “no, these are reasonably well bred and raised girls here, the whole culture has grown trashier than you would imagine because you are 50 and don’t get out often”.

    I KNOW these older guys do not understand it, but I like the fact that they are like holdovers from an earlier age… I always used to hang with old guys, at the barbershop, at the bar. What they don’t understand about the culture now, they make up for with insights about how the culture once was. I can then put the pieces together and think

    “Hmm… so this is where the West went down a really dark path. Interesting..” and backtrack from there. Much of what older guys can tell me, as a young man, about the old ways is astounding. A lot of older guys had serious game, particularly guys who were cosmopolitan and lived in cities. I also like their ideas of honor and respect. They still have no idea, however, about the way things are here and now…

    I used to bounce back and forth between celibacy and minor bouts of debauchery. But my will was good, I was basically seeking Ms. Right.. or a couple of Ms. Rights.. and in the process had to visit many pretty butterflies to see which ones purred, and which ones spat up milkweed sap poison when tickled.

    A constant learning process. While I despise the modern dating culture, I’ve generally tried to play it to my advantage because I must. I was raised up and conditioned to be serious about finding a marriage partner. I want children, to pass my lineage and name on, but might just get used to being a perpetual bachelor. As long as I keep my groove well into my 40s, I should be fine.

    A bachelor has freedom and autonomy, but it is so nice to have someone to come home to. When I had this, briefly, actually having someone beautiful to wake up with every day, to come home to, to eat breakfast and dinner with, to make love to without any restraint whatsoever, naturally, easily, effortlessly, on the sofa, in the bed, on the table, in the park.. someone who inspired me to feel like I could conquer the world, I was happy, in spite of her occasionally sharp tongue. But all good things must come to an end. At least my ex’s still cook for me. Most of them anyway..

    Butterflies are ever so pretty, there is always the temptation to discretely collect them. Except the milkweed sap spitting ones (or the ones who get so drunk they puke on your lap)

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  910. on May 25, 2009 at 2:26 pm doug1

    Kamal–

    Of course, she’s ‘Arab.

    I have fantasized about a Arabesque lover for a long time. Bhetti’s my first.

    Curious, what are you, in addition to being Muslim I take it?

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  911. on May 25, 2009 at 2:27 pm Lady Rain

    Whiskey,

    You are one person on here I have a hard time understanding. I made a bad choice about 8 years ago choosing my son’s father, yes. I don’t understand, though how you get “she has admitted to putting her own sexual needs over her son”. That is outright bullshit because I said the opposite of that. I don’t even bring men I’ve “dated” casually around him AT ALL. I don’t allow men to sleep over even if they’re just friends, I don’t go out to bars EVER, and do you know how many times I’ve gone out in the past year without my son?? One time. The time I’m not at work I am with him, so don’t class me as something I am not.

    Furthermore as strange as this will sound to some of you, every few years I take a sexual siesta. Basically I just stop having ANY sexual interactions past a platonic kiss and hug for an entire year (obviously I don’t date while I’m doing this) because it helps me keep things in prospective and since I do a lot of meditation and such it’s amazing for that as well. I’m doing that right now as a matter of fact and it’s also a good way to weed out the “guy friends” I have who where apparently thinking they just hadn’t had sex with me YET.

    As for myspace, I refuse to defend something so retarded as a myspace page. First of all, if you think my ONE suggestive picture is too much, take another look around myspace. Second, my son is not in school yet and yes I will take another look at it and make changes as he gets older. If I were running an escort service ad on there I could see your point, but seriously….get a grip.

    As for the others saying that guys here are Betas just for TALKING to me…. way to take Roissy’s dating advice too far where you think having a conversation/debate with a woman or any woman has to be classed as “beta/alpha” is just…. retarded.

    You would be the people I’m referring to when I say “taking it too far”. Unless I missed something we are not in a bar, no one is trying to “date” here, so stop taking yourselves so seriously. Really.

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  912. on May 25, 2009 at 2:29 pm doug1

    PA

    Michel Houellebecq’s normally-despairing view allows for some hope when he’s writing about Arab girls in his novels.

    I’ve been hearing his name quite a bit around here. What would you recommend?

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  913. on May 25, 2009 at 2:31 pm gig

    @PA
    probably Auster is an old-school alpha+beta provider also. Anyway, both of them are so far removed from the mainstream culture that they look like relics of the [more virtuous] past. They are freaks, unfortunately.

    Lawrence Auster’s blog is, like American renaissance, a blog for losers. I agree with almost everything he writes, except his jewish supremacism, but it is a blog that if read every day, will make you an anti-social person. You lose friends, or at least the ability to socially interact with people, if you read Auster of AR every day. People can talk HBD in a cool way, like Sailer. Or they can pour hatred and frustration, like VFR and AR writers and commenters. Or the rest of Vdare writes except Sailer.

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  914. on May 25, 2009 at 2:34 pm gig

    Vdare writes == vdare writers

    Shouting Thomas is, for me, an Auster without a blog, whose opinion about Israel I don’t know.

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  915. on May 25, 2009 at 2:42 pm Lady Rain

    Oh! Also, as to why I would tell anyone I have OCD? It’s the truth and why should I be ashamed of something like that? It’s not a mood disorder nor an emotional one, it’s just part of who I am! Maybe some of you only feel comfortable in your anonymous protective shells, but I don’t need that “protection”.

    I do think it’s funny though that some of the posters here think ANY woman who talks to guys, has an opinion, and dares to post it is an “attention-whore”. I could easily say the same about all of you, but I’m not stupid enough to say something like that.

    I’m not sure if I’m supposed to be “taking it to heart” and getting all upset and running away from talking to you people or what, but this is the internet. Discussions are just discussions and opinions are just opinions. It’s funny how if a woman sticks around here to debate she’s “an attention-whore” but when one suddenly leaves it’s “ha-ha she’s was wrong and we scared her away”. I mean seriously, that’s just plain immature and shows a fear that even TALKING to a woman will somehow turn you into a pussy. Once again way to contradict yourselves and turn the power right back over to the woman.

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  916. on May 25, 2009 at 2:47 pm doug1

    Lady Rain—

    You’d think at this point the cunt would at least have the decency of slinking away after a shutdown like this, but no….. at the SLIGHTEST suggestion that she could be wrong she’d go on a company rampage and ask every single engineer, boss, representative, sales team member, and machinist the same question and even after they ALL tell her she’s wrong…. she’ll fly into a rage, blame it on communication within management and have a “meeting” with the other supervisors.

    I wanted to die for women everywhere every time I heard her voice.

    That woman clearly should have been fired. If she was a man she would have been. Why wasn’t she? Damn feminism and it’s (absurd and unjust) female affirmative action. No doubt that’s how she got the job in the first place.

    PS. This is disturbing. You’re winning me over, in some ways, again. Not just from this comment. Some, I said.

    Here’s the deal. You’re clearly a VERY high testosterone girl. You love to bear knuckle argue and insult, and take punches easily. There’s nothing girly about you. You approach a lot of things the way a man does. A lot of things, including child support. Including sex. You are clearly a slut. I don’t mean that in a bad way, in this context. No I’d never want to marry you or live with you or have you as my girlfriend. (You’ve also said you don’t want most of those roles with any man.) A one nighter or fling or even fuck buddy, maybe. My guess is what you like to do is have several guys, often younger as you say, in rotation, when you can manage it. Puppy loving you and all until they can’t take the jealousy / heartbreak. (Why else would you at 28 have a preference for younger boys?) Together with just find em and go for the gusto one off or short term stud fucking.

    The guys around here who have been liking you are seeing you as a fun lay (and a non economically scary one, given your child support stance). The guys who’ve been ragging you (the mixed up baby HH excepted) have come down on you as a mother who wants no father for her son, and due to larger social concerns. (HH saw some of the heavier weight guys on here do that and thought he could easily pile on with some stupid immature off target shiite. You have thoroughly pwned his ass. It’s been amusing. I was on your side there. Even sorta said so.)

    When I think of you as something of a one off, and unusual, as gunslingergregi exaggerates, “one in a million”, then I’m fine with you. When I think of you as the way things are going generally, well then you get my initial reactions to you. I do think you’re over on one side of the spectrum, partly for genetic reasons (which are always something of a roulette wheel among the ancestral strains). I also think the spectrum has been shifting in your direction for the reasons that have been endless discussed here.

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  917. on May 25, 2009 at 2:47 pm Thursday

    Doug:

    If you want to get into Houellebecq, read Whatever and The Elementary Particles. Whatever is 160 some pages and TEP is about 250 or so.

    BTW when is Roissy going to review those two?

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  918. on May 25, 2009 at 2:50 pm PA

    — What would you recommend?

    Two Houellebecq novels: “Whatever” (original French title is actually something like “an extension of the domain of struggle”). Published in the mid/late 90s. It’s a couple of days in the life of a standard beta guy and his o m e g a friend.

    It’s a thin, quick read, with brilliant, priceless scenes from today’s dating realities. Heartbreaking like his description of the lot of a fat girl. Or downright out of Hieronymous Bosch, like his description of a disco. He lays out his basic themes in this thin novel.

    And his second novel “Elementary Particles”, published around ’99. It’s longer and epic in its sweep. It follows the lives of two half-brothers born to a libertine single mom, one an o m e g a who spends his entire life obsessively trying to improve his sexual market value, and the other a sexless visionary. The novel is a searing indictment of the post-war sexual revolution and its effect on men and women.

    He published “Platform” in 2001. The novel is nominally about sex tourism and the lesser beta man, but for the most part, it rehashes his themes from earlier novels.

    Some have ascribed prescience to him in his depiction of a fundamentalist Islamic terror attack, as the novel was published just prior to the 9/11 attacks.

    — probably Auster is an old-school alpha+beta provider also

    I’m not sure what to think of Auster in this regard. There is something very effeminate behind his touchiness. In real life, I’m not comfortable around moody men with whom I have to walk on eggshells or require damage-control for my having said somethign the wrong way.

    As valuable as he is on things like nationhood and immigration, he seems almost virginal in comments on sex and women.

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  919. on May 25, 2009 at 2:57 pm Lady Rain

    Doug–

    I hate to say something so “unfeminist” but yes that woman should have been fired many times but she was a master of ass-kissing and cajoling the right people (ie: she’s about 40 but still an attractive woman) and most of us assume she probably sucks some dick to keep her job.

    I almost got fired once for telling her exactly that. She wasn’t MY immediate supervisor so she couldn’t really tell me what to do, but being in a higher position I was supposed to “respect her”. Normally I’d just ignore her and she typically ignored me because she was nasty to ANY woman in the young/attractive zone. However, one time she questioned me on CNC related issues and I just started laughing at her. This didn’t go over well because she’s like “What’s so funny?” and I said “That you hate me just because I got my job through hard work as opposed to sucking dick like you did.” I hate women like her and she’s the reason men think women don’t belong in shops/construction/etc. She is a distraction AT BEST.

    I really am not pretending to be someone I am not and that’s why it might seem like my opinions are all over the place, but I really do have some opinions that make people go “huh?” just when they thought they had figured it all out. It’s not a game I play or anything, I just don’t blindly follow any one thought pattern set by society. Sometimes that makes me “intimidating” to men (I say this because I get told that A LOT) but whenever someone accuses me of this I usually am still shocked because I’m not difficult to get along with and YES you hit the nail on the head in the way of me functioning like a guy in many ways. Everyone I know says that as well.

    You will never catch me in forum full of women or in a room full of women in real life, because I often feel like some sort of confused space invader that just doesn’t belong…. but sadly on the other side men are “uneasy” around me at first as well. It’s very frustrating because I don’t have an “ulterior motive”. My life is what I have made it and the time I could spend whining and trying to get pity is a waste of energy I could have used actually LIVING and being productive. I think this is pretty logical for ANY person and yet it amazes me that people will take the other road even though it leads nowhere.

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  920. on May 25, 2009 at 2:58 pm Thursday

    The disco scene in Whatever is pretty amazing.

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  921. on May 25, 2009 at 2:58 pm novaseeker

    We have many biological urges, and many urges that can’t even be solidly traced to biological impulses anyway, but still seem innate. The urge to fuck a variety of attractive people is only one of many urges. The problem is that we are not all, always, biologically programmed to be utter fuck monkeys, we are also programmed to seek and find pair bond relationships, which are the foundation of marriage, this is innate to humanity. And stable cultures cultivate and encourage some primal urges while discouraging others. My primal urge to ram a kid’s head into the counter at the super market when he makes a snide remark to me about my choice of groceries is a primal urge that is very bad to act on in society.

    A society of people only following their primal urges is a society in its death throes.
    Anyway, a ton of research indicates not only that coupling, pair bonding, and some form of marriage is innate to almost every culture on earth, even the most primitive. It is the very foundation of the family in a sustainable society itself. When a society is full of women and men, but women in particular due to the unique nature of the female sexual cycle and childbirth, play the field constantly their entire adult lives, societies break down. It is reasonable for a society to erect moral barriers to some types of behavior in order to enable the survival and evolution of the species.

    @Kamal —

    Very well said.

    Indeed, the issue we face as a civilization is how to navigate the ship away from this disastrous over-emphasis on individual freedom towards an understanding of the benefits, for individuals and society as well, of the pair bond. That doesn’t mean 1950s marriage. Sometimes there is a tendency among men and women alike to collapse all pair bonds into 1950s marriage, which, of course, is a big mistake. Pair bonds have taken many forms over the course of our species history. However, the idea that we cn forgo pair bonds … is a very dangerous notion that is falling flat on its face. We need to navigate away from extreme libertinism.

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  922. on May 25, 2009 at 2:59 pm Thursday

    Roissy, Houellebecq and F. Roger Devlin are the three horsemen of the sexual apocalypse.

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  923. on May 25, 2009 at 3:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””doug1
    Chic Noir—

    Gunslingergregi said

    bhetti you have yahoo chat?

    You up for it I need some help figuring out the wedding night

    See you are going to get azz caped in here. Wait until doug1 sees this nonsense.

    No need. When I wasn’t around here last night but rather doing “she knew not what” my online girl loyally said “no, you [gunslingergregi] don’t need it, and I’m off to bed”. How great is that? No wonder I’m hooked.””””””””””””””””

    Doug you totally fucked up the qoutes by rearranging em.
    Not gonna be that easy.

    Real qoutes below in context.

    “””””””””””””””””””””””‘Gunslingergregi
    bhetti you have yahoo chat?

    You up for it I need some help figuring out the wedding night “””””””””””””””””””””””

    “”””””””””””””””on May 24, 2009 at 10:16 pm Bhetti
    Gunny: As if you need help! I don’t have it and am going to sleep now, anyway.

    Also, I’m astounded HH and I are of an age. Fascinating. Evidence for 10+ years probably needed to be added on if I can tolerate the man, nevermind respect him.””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Now notice response.

    Here you will see wish I could put arrows she said “I don’t have it” Note this is not a no we can’t chat this is a obstacle to be overcome like once she has yahoo chat it probably wouldn’t be a problem. Then she said, “I don’t have it and am going to sleep now, anyway. ” note again not saying no she just put up two slight roadblocks. So in other words if she didn’t have to go to sleep again no problem. Then the final which was actually the first “As if you need help!” compliment ego boost. 🙂

    So yea umm not quite the way doug saw it which he made up as

    “””””””””No need. When I wasn’t around here last night but rather doing “she knew not what” my online girl loyally said “no, you [gunslingergregi] don’t need it, and I’m off to bed”. How great is that? No wonder I’m hooked.””””””””””””””””

    Yea sometimes being a sneaky fucker can come back to haunt you. Best just to be straight with people for your own well being. Sometimes you can win a battle but lose a war.

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  924. on May 25, 2009 at 3:05 pm doug1

    PA, Thursday–

    Thanks guys. Also, nothing like unanimity.

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  925. on May 25, 2009 at 3:13 pm Chic Noir

    default Although, I hear you like ‘em tall. I am taller than my gravatar, but not by much. So be careful what you wish for.
    short guys aren’t bad. I think I prefer taller but as long as the guy is 5’4+ all isn’t bad.

    Anyway, how tall are you default?

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  926. on May 25, 2009 at 3:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Considering many moons ago I tried to explain to Bhetti that you have to answer you do not want anything to do with the guy and that saying things like I have a boyfriend or I need to sleep doesn’t work to keep a player away.

    Then I talked about how my woman understands that yea men want her. She doesn’t want them to fuck her. This is much more clear cut. She makes a descision not to allow men to pursue her or fuck her. She knows she is attractive. She knows men want to fuck her. She is not giving it up by her own descision. Not i am not giving it up unless the guy is really sexy or pushes my buttons. These must be a consciouse descision from your woman and in her mind that you are her only man. Of course a woman can understand that men want her. If she has no defense to those men. Then yea her husband is gonna be a sad guy.

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  927. on May 25, 2009 at 3:20 pm doug1

    gunslingergregi–

    No one can say that you don’t have irrational confidence.

    But hey, if it makes you feel better about your repeated loses on Bhetti, and your sneaky fuckerdom (and projection of that onto me when everyone knows that’s not at all my style), because she was a little nice about it, believe what you gotta believe.

    How’s the empire?

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  928. on May 25, 2009 at 3:21 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Doug, you stupid old goat.

    That vid was me playfully flirting with *Bhetti* because you had talked her up to be rather good looking.

    But thanks for the look into your psyche. It’s good to know there are some people who find online interaction to be so personally meaningful.

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  929. on May 25, 2009 at 3:23 pm PA

    Lawrence Auster’s blog is, like American renaissance, a blog for losers. I agree with almost everything he writes, except his jewish supremacism, but it is a blog that if read every day, will make you an anti-social person. You lose friends, or at least the ability to socially interact with people, if you read Auster of AR every day.

    That’s a good observation. I used to read AmRen daily and the newsclips, along with the comment threads, would put me in a state of utter despair. Same with Auster. I had to quit reading it so often as I did notice that it was making me prone to apocalyptic rantings.

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  930. on May 25, 2009 at 3:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Pretty sure by the time I am 50 doug I will be one rich guy. Yea we are at different levels right now I am 33 still at the beginning stages of my lifes work. I had a major setback with my first wife because she wasn’t with plan so yea lost a lot of time due to that. I should have already been done working for absic nescessities. Although my woman is already financially free so not a bad achievment at tender age of 33. I thought I would have achieved more by now but got to learn baby. Still molding my mind and body to achieve my lifelong dreams.

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  931. on May 25, 2009 at 3:27 pm Default User

    doug1

    Please do school for fools like Tupac for the right way to link to youtube vids, so that they can stop slowing down the thread with embeds.

    OK

    Even at the risk of killing any hotness factor with the chicks (by showing knowledge of geeky things) I am willing to help my buddies.

    So I now present Default User’s guide to creating links. I put it on the About page so it can be referenced on other threads.

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  932. on May 25, 2009 at 3:30 pm Thursday

    Auster has lately been mostly reduced to ranting against Darwin, which he appears not to understand.

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  933. on May 25, 2009 at 3:30 pm Obsidian

    Lady Rain,
    You have expressed a desire to kick the can around and debate the ideas, and by extension, some of the key voices on this blogsite. Clearly, Roissy himself, whom you seem to take the most issue with, either isn’t available and/or is uninterested in engaging you, however. More over, the exchanges you’ve had with other voices here have been little more than shouting matches, where more light than heat is transmitted.

    Being known as a somewhat facile debater myself, I’ll be your Huckleberry; that’s just my game, if I may coin a famous phrase. If its debate you want, debate you will get. Let’s clearly demarcate the terms and area of contention between us, shall we? And since I’m in a chivalrous mood, I’ll let you set the table. Exactly *what* do you take issue with here, Lady Rain?

    Let’s start there. Your serve.

    The Obsidian

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  934. on May 25, 2009 at 3:34 pm PA

    Auster has lately been mostly reduced to ranting against Darwin

    In this regard he’s become the reverse-Derbyshire, who turned from a witty and engaging writer to something of an anti-Creationist monomaniac.

    (Not that I care much about Creationists either way, but come on, of all the things to crusade against…)

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  935. on May 25, 2009 at 3:34 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Yes chivalry is part of the zombie, but I’m chivalrous to everyone, man and woman alike, for the same reason I polish my shoes. It’s good for my soul, and I’m nostalgic about things from the dead old order. Extreme jackasses and extreme whores get considerably less respect from me, but I loose nothing by extending basic courtesy.

    Developing a bit of a cyber-crush on Kamal S., I think….

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  936. on May 25, 2009 at 3:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    Whatcha talking about doug you went sneaky fucker on aoefe for christ sake couldn’t leave one alone even if it fucked up the d man.

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  937. on May 25, 2009 at 3:52 pm Joe

    Gunslinger, no disrespect but is English your first language? You’re getting extra-incoherent lately, even by your standards. Slow down.

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  938. on May 25, 2009 at 4:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Do you know your value to the organization doug?

    It is being the sneaky fucker. Blatently. It was a good thing. When bhetti said before she was most attracted to me. Then said lurker was her first choice but you where one she could fall in love with. This is where you see the stand up guy lurker backed out. Cause he wasn’t pursuing her and didn’t get drawn into a womans web. Now you saw the fickle mind of woman. So guys know what to look for in long term compatability for woman. She should not be easily swayed as she will have plenty of opportunities to have doctors or coworkers throughtout her life hit on her. She needs to be able to say no. If she can’t then yea long term is shot. Giving guys more tools in the toolbox of life. This overall has been a good thing. Guys also know the signs to look for in a guy that is a sneaky fucker so they can nip that shit in the bud at the first if they are unlucky enough to already be in a committed relationship with a woman who doesn’t know how to say no to giving up the pussy.

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  939. on May 25, 2009 at 4:06 pm doug1

    Gunslingergregi

    Whatcha talking about doug you went sneaky fucker on aoefe for christ sake couldn’t leave one alone even if it fucked up the d man.

    It would have been impossible to have been any LESS sneaky about it.

    I referenced Bhetti in the invitation to Aoefe to flirt a little. It was an invitation to flirt some on here in open view, not off hidden on yahoo. Bhetti was right here at the time as I knew. Bhetti gave thumbs up afterwards in effect, as she’s done to me before. (I’ve told Bhetti it’s part of my playing with her, and it is.) I as much as told Aoefe that part of the reason i wanted to flirt with her is to make my online girl a little jealous but within bounds, without in any way replacing her. (Part of the reason. I think Aoefe is charming and interesting.)

    However of course you’re too dim and utterly self absorbed to have seen any of this. It was more or less obvious to most people (including Bhetti and Aoefe).

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  940. on May 25, 2009 at 4:14 pm gay for men via cn

    fellas no e-fights over e-women.

    got it!
    🙂

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  941. on May 25, 2009 at 4:19 pm Lady Rain

    Kamal–

    I don’t really understand what you were saying there. I wasn’t shouting at anyone! The only person I intentionally had a childish battle with was Hollywood because it was obvious that’s what he was looking for and not a real debate/conversation.

    Don’t mistakenly take my “tone” as me being fired up. There are very few things that genuinely make me “angry” and politics is one of them. Western Medicine vs. Holistic is another. I realize how odd and random that seems, but I can admit that my “scholastic” strengths are more based in medicine, psychology (more on the criminal profiling end), and criminal law.

    I do not possess the best “communication” skills as I tend to come off abrasive even without meaning to. This is usually only until a person get’s used to my “tone” and takes it for what it is. I’m very honest in real life and being subtle is not my strong suit, lol. I tend to go into ANY debate with a guns-blazing, shoot now talk later type of attitude. Why?

    Because it makes psychological sense and gives me the upperhand. I can picture you raising an eyebrow as to how an “irrational opening conversation” can be an upper-hand.

    Here’s an example: You go to start a new job. You are the type of person who usually dives in and works hard to prove yourself. You almost ALWAYS produce quality work and you are a fast worker. Your bosses now love and respect you. However you have also set the precedent that you are EXPECTED to do MORE than what your job requires otherwise anything less than perfection will be considered “slacking off” (because they have seen what you are capable right away–you have set the bar high)

    You start a job and work hard but do mediocre work. You are basically now in the “average” range that most people have in the workplace. You are respected but you have set a “medium” bar for what is expected of you. When you go above and BEYOND that line of mediocrity now you are suddenly exalted as being a hard worker who learns quickly and is interested in advancement.

    In actuality you did the exact same amount of work as the person who give it their all from the start. The difference is the “always hard worker” is now called “lazy” if he does anything less than perfection, while if you do anything ABOVE mediocre you’re “moving ahead and proving yourself”. Sadly this is the way the world works. The mediocre person will also most likely get the raise.

    Should it be this way? NO of course not. I am capitalizing on that train of thought in some ways when I “arrived here” on fire so to speak…. sometimes showing all your cards isn’t the best idea when you’re playing with the pros.

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  942. on May 25, 2009 at 4:20 pm Dirk

    And when dudes are insecure, they post blogs on the internet about how to manipulate people, so they can feel as if they have a little power and control over their lives. While in reality shit sucks, and they’re probably very BORING (or very ugly).

    You sound like every jock guy or disgruntled nerd I ever new in high school, always looking to fuck people over because you can’t really get anywhere by any other means. No real personality, no talent. Its sad really. I see blogs like this all the time, some powerless poor little shit somewhere, plotting about how they’d really fuck everyone up, or pretending that they already do so. Anonymity is a funny thing like that, you can build some pretty nice lies online to make yourself feel a little better.

    I went back into your archives, and you post just about every day, and the subject matter is always power. And I’m wondering to myself, how powerful is a guy really, when he has to write about it constantly as if to reaffirm his status? I think you need to wake up to reality, stop playing disgruntled nerd on the internet, and maybe try to come to terms with the fact that you have some really bad issues to settle with yourself.

    Hate to play role of internet psychologist, but you sound like you have some SERIOUS mommy issues. Every blog post is about control over women, women, women, women. Any dude with an ounce of self confidence wouldn’t even think about the need to control a woman. What’s really important is finding someone who can take care of themselves. Helpless people often seem to be the ones keen on manipulation and making your life hell. You are one of those people.

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  943. on May 25, 2009 at 4:20 pm Lady Rain

    ooops! sorry that was for Obsidian, not Kamal!!! sorry about that!

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  944. on May 25, 2009 at 4:21 pm doug1

    Joe–

    Gunslinger, no disrespect but is English your first language? You’re getting extra-incoherent lately, even by your standards. Slow down.

    Listened to you didn’t he? Check his next post.

    About the only time that gregi is semi coherent is when his posts are very short reactions to a short something he quotes.

    He does do puffed up little rooster strutting ok. That’s what girls sometimes respond to on here. Never in an extended back and forth flirting way though.

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  945. on May 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””doug
    However of course you’re too dim and utterly self absorbed to have seen any of this. It was more or less obvious to most people (including Bhetti and Aoefe).””””””””””

    Yea I wasn’t talking about the women dude. I wasn’t talking to aoefe. Who was? that you were too self absorbed to give a shit about. That is my point. It is a good thing though he has seen what is up. He got to learn so prob beneficial in long run.

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  946. on May 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm Mikkel

    @ LR: I do think it’s funny though that some of the posters here think ANY woman who talks to guys, has an opinion, and dares to post it is an “attention-whore”.

    ‘Lady Rain’ is used 268 times in this thread.

    Practically all your posts are about one thing: You.

    I think you are damn good at attention whoring. It’s a skill. Like trolling.

    Keep up the good work!

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  947. on May 25, 2009 at 4:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea wendy did you used to post here about a year and half ago or so?

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  948. on May 25, 2009 at 4:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””on May 25, 2009 at 4:14 pm gay for men via cn
    fellas no e-fights over e-women.

    got it!””””””””””””

    This ain’t about woman. This is personal between men. Doug grew up a little too cushy in life and never had anyone he knew shot the fuck up on the block over disrespecting another man over a chic he just doesn’t get the shit. It is not about the woman it is about another man showing he has utterly no respect for another mans life.

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  949. on May 25, 2009 at 4:42 pm doug1

    gregi

    It is not about the woman it is about another man showing he has utterly no respect for another mans life.

    Like most everything you’ve been saying today this is totally ass backwards, as everyone knows.

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  950. on May 25, 2009 at 4:44 pm doug1

    Wendy/Lady Rain–

    Was my guess as to your dating style in my last long post addressed to you more or less right?

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  951. on May 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm Thursday

    PA:

    In this regard he’s become the reverse-Derbyshire, who turned from a witty and engaging writer to something of an anti-Creationist monomaniac.

    Derb has kind of gone off the rails since he de-Christed himself, hasn’t he? He still has his moments, but now most of the time he’s just really, really grouchy. I think the downhill slide really started with the piece where he unloaded on Ramesh Ponneru’s Party of Death. It’s just about the most incoherent piece of writing this side of postmodernist/feminist divide.

    I’m a hard core Darwinian, but it isn’t something I form my identity around, so Creationists don’t really bother me.

    P.S. Derb’s daughter is pretty hot, but then I love half-Asian chicks.

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  952. on May 25, 2009 at 4:50 pm Biting Beaver

    I consider this blog an equivalent of rape.

    http://archiveofthebitingbeaver.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/the-rapist-checklist-repost/

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  953. on May 25, 2009 at 4:51 pm doug1

    Thursday–

    P.S. Derb’s daughter is pretty hot, but then I love half-Asian chicks.

    Yeah. And precocious looking.

    Probably has Derb all worried.

    (The the odds strongly favor her being a good girl I’d think.)

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  954. on May 25, 2009 at 4:53 pm Obsidian

    Lady Rain,
    Thanks both for the reply and for the “send to” correction, as I’m sure Kamal may be scratching his head at first lol. As for your comments…

    Yes, I see exactly what you mean, and it would seem, that impetuousity is something of your MO, hmm? 🙂 not to beat you up, but honst self-assessment is a good thing. However, it is very bad form when it comes to debating. Indeed, what you are doing, and have been doing, over the course of this thread, is *not* debate. At least not the kind w/which I am familiar.

    Let’s move to the actual issues you take umbrage with, shall we?

    1. Do you deny that Game, works?

    2. Do you deny the veracity of Whiskey’s statements (most of which, he took great pains, didn’t apply to you in a personal sense)?

    Let’s start here, OK?

    O

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  955. on May 25, 2009 at 4:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea doug everyone knows the woman your pursuing is going to cheat on you.

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  956. on May 25, 2009 at 4:59 pm PA

    I have a soft spot for Derb. I haven’t really gottent into any non-mainstream news until about 2001, when I started using the internet for things other than email.

    Up until then, I’ve always hated the partyline leftism, but had no one other than basically a-political but conservative-leaning friends and relatives to talk about these things with.

    So I may, for example, been against feminism or immigration, but chided myself for being “racist” or “sexist” for thinking verboten thoughts. Put it this way: in 1996 I thought Dole/Kemp were conservative and in 1999 I thought Buchanan was “beyond the pale” even though I agreed with the things he said.

    Then in 2001 I discovered, randomly I think, National Review, and quickly took to Derbyshire’s writing, which impressed me as being forthright on taboo topics, but still on this side of respectability.

    Stopped feeling like I’m some freak for having thoughts and views that basically are what in saner times was called “normal.”

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  957. on May 25, 2009 at 5:03 pm chic noir

    MU, how was brown suga?

    *that should of been bame for men via cn

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  958. on May 25, 2009 at 5:03 pm Lady Rain OWNED hollywood

    BIG TIME!

    She just finished castrating him.

    “bra magazine”. LOL

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  959. on May 25, 2009 at 5:06 pm novaseeker

    Then I talked about how my woman understands that yea men want her. She doesn’t want them to fuck her. This is much more clear cut. She makes a descision not to allow men to pursue her or fuck her. She knows she is attractive. She knows men want to fuck her. She is not giving it up by her own descision. Not i am not giving it up unless the guy is really sexy or pushes my buttons. These must be a consciouse descision from your woman and in her mind that you are her only man. Of course a woman can understand that men want her. If she has no defense to those men. Then yea her husband is gonna be a sad guy.

    @Gun —

    Perfect. That is exactly true. It’s a conscious act of will. Every single day, for men and women alike.

    That’s why I disagree when people say “love is a verb, not a noun”.

    Okay, as far as it goes. But love is best seen, in my eyes, as a decision. A decision you make every day of your life … or not, as you choose.

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  960. on May 25, 2009 at 5:06 pm Biting Beaver

    It is possible to visually rape a woman. It is possible to rape a woman using the written word.

    If you think rape is only limited to physical penetration, you are probably a rapist in training.

    All rapist, e-rapist, too, should be castrated. chemically or otherwise.

    YES, I AM RAGING FEMINIST, and proud of it! trust me, i dont take shit from anybody.

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  961. on May 25, 2009 at 5:13 pm Default User

    Chic Noir

    I am probably just squeeze past the lower threshold you gave.

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  962. on May 25, 2009 at 5:17 pm doug1

    Biting Beaver–

    Who gives a shit what you think ugly idiotic hag?

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  963. on May 25, 2009 at 5:18 pm Obsidian

    Chic Noir,
    I had been meaning to address some of your comments too, and maybe now I can do so. But first, in reply to your question…

    The following are a series of text messages from Brown Sugah on the way back home, after a very nice weekend with me:

    ” I haven’t screamed and yelled that much in years. I feel so much better. Thank you.”

    “I’m completely worn out.”

    “I love how you wear me out, push my boundaries, make me call out for Jesus and all the other deities, and keep me wet as a busted faucet.”

    Any other questions? *sly grin*

    How was your weekend?

    The Obsidian

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  964. on May 25, 2009 at 5:29 pm chic noir

    @mu-okay but not as swell yours I read 🙂

    @default- you are so cute I can look past the small stuff (no pun).

    biting beaver YES, I AM RAGING FEMINIST, and proud of it! trust me, i dont take shit from anybody

    *dead faint*

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  965. on May 25, 2009 at 5:31 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    PA said: “DOBA,

    Your reply to Clio was obtuse. She knows that genetics determine a lot but this fact doesn’t negate her point that boys need fathers.

    For all we know, maybe on a purely mechanistic level the testosterone emmited by a male at home has a salutatory effect on a boy’s neural development.

    Or give a bunch of seventeen-year-olds a football. Same talent, same genes: will they do better when they try to figure out the game on their own, or if they have a coach?”

    It’s not that simple. Stats show that kids from single moms do far worse in life than kids whose have fathers,m but those fathers die for whatever reason. So the feeling (not just from me) is that biology is playing a part here.

    I don’t think it’s obtuse at all to suggest kids can do fine without either parent if their genes are OK.

    By the way, were you ever a parent? If so, you might have observed the way two kids raised in the same family have markedly different personalities from birth. This comes from personality traits, not upbringing. If you bring bad genes with antisocial behavior into the mix, you’re assuring a disastrous outcome — which is what I said the “bad boy”-loving females do.

    Also, I would recommend looking up the “wild gene.”

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  966. on May 25, 2009 at 5:34 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Biting Beaver:

    “It is possible to visually rape a woman. It is possible to rape a woman using the written word.”

    I TOTALLY agree. Which is why I think women need to be protected from men. We need to put them in burkas, get them off the streets, take away their rights, and consign them to their families until marriage.

    We started on a slippery slope when we gave women the right to vote. We just made them prey for me. Let’s protect them again by removing them from mainstream society, like our wise elders did and like Muslims do.

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  967. on May 25, 2009 at 5:34 pm Biting Beaver

    Doug1:
    Admit it, you’ve probably thought of raping Bhetti?

    In fact, all men has fantasized about raping a woman at one point or another in their life. The male animal is inherently flawed, predatory, it must be tamed and domesticated.

    OBSIDIAN:
    Your attempt to impress us women about your sexual prowess comes across as a indication of repressed fustration at your impotence. You are getting too old already. You are having problem getting it up. You reek of desperation.

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  968. on May 25, 2009 at 5:40 pm PA

    Andrea Dworkin also had rape obsessions. Odd what some women suffer when they can’t admit to themselves that a good rogering will do them good. Even lesians are anatomically constructed to receive a phallus. Have it pushed way inside. Even when they fight it. Like that, Toothy Beavs?

    Though Dworkin, the poor thing, wasn’t helped by the fact that she looked like Howard Stern’s pudgy little brother.

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  969. on May 25, 2009 at 5:42 pm Obsidian

    Biting Beaver,
    Given that I neither knew, nor cared, of your existence until you decided to insert yourself into a conversation obtaining between Chic and myself, I would consider your accosting of me a weak-wristed attempt at Ad Hominem. Try again.

    O

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  970. on May 25, 2009 at 5:42 pm Biting Beaver

    DOBA:

    That is along my line of thought…only that men has to behave like a domesticated dog.

    During sex, i like to break a man with the vigorous pounding of my pelvic region. I want to crush dick. My vagina is the blackhole that will cut off–shew off– his dick.

    With a mocking smirk on my face, followed by a cruel laughter, if he couldnt get me off.

    I am dominant. I am a woman. Hear me roar!!

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  971. on May 25, 2009 at 5:44 pm PA

    Wait, BB is actually kind of cool!

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  972. on May 25, 2009 at 5:45 pm Rum

    BB (The Fool)

    You tell us that this blog is a form of rape. Yet you come here regularly, eagerly exposing and opening the way to your personal site.
    Why don’t you put an ad in Craigslist? Someone nearby might be willing to help you.

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  973. on May 25, 2009 at 5:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    nice job obsid. he he he

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  974. on May 25, 2009 at 5:48 pm chic noir

    PA
    Wait, BB is actually kind of cool!

    😆
    Pa, I doubt that’s the real BB but either way I’m over here dying. Thank God I’m by myself.

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  975. on May 25, 2009 at 5:49 pm Biting Beaver

    PA and OBSIDIAN.

    The bottomline is, most men, during their lifetime HAD RAPE FANTASIES. What does that say?

    Here is a question for all the males on this blog.

    YES or NO.

    (1)Have you had a rape fantasy before?
    (2)Have you masturbated to a rape fantasy before?

    Hey, this is the place where pretty lies perish, correct? I will bet none of you is “man” enough to admit their rape fantasies.

    But you’ve all masturbated to rape fantasies before, havent you?

    Of course, you have!

    Have you experienced an involuntary hard-on while watching a rape scene in a movie?

    The male animal is inherently too dangerous. It has to be domesticated.

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  976. on May 25, 2009 at 5:50 pm Joe

    The bottomline is, most men, during their lifetime HAD RAPE FANTASIES. What does that say?

    So have most women. What does that say as well?

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  977. on May 25, 2009 at 5:52 pm Lady Rain

    Mikkel–

    Whoa I missed a lot already. Your point is stupid. Sorry to be so blunt, but of course my answers are “all about me” because I’m answering QUESTIONS that are directed at ME. I shall dismiss you now.

    Doug–

    Yes I started to answer you and then digressed somehow (which is sort of how I am) you were VERY much on the money about MOST of the things you said. Enough for me to be surprised and enough for me to happily give you credit where credit is due. Especially for the ability to read between the lines (ie: tone) which is something a lot of men need to work on (although I think that may come with age and experience in a LTR) You basically just said the very thing that I hear from all my TRULY platonic guy friends all the time. Guess where the video-game headquarters is?? lol you guessed it… my place. It’s sounds really “unadult” but I love simple pleasures like a fierce Mortal Kombat battle with guy friends and 2 or 3 beers to relax at night. I think part of the reason for this is because I LITERALLY function as both the mom and the dad since I provide full financial AND physical support of him. Seriously, though…. you have excellent observation skills as typically people have to meet me in person to get a feel for that about me.

    Obsidian–

    No. I have never said that the game doesn’t work. I am quite sure it does because it makes psychological sense and would essentially work on both males and females. It is the WAY it is used that sometimes becomes an issue for me.

    Also Whiskey DID direct one thing at me about how I “casually bring bad boys” around my son. This is the opposite of the truth and also what I previously stated. I do NOT bring men around my son who are not long-term boyfriends…. and I have only brought ONE man into his life in the way of the LTR and that is the “beta-ish” ex of one year ago that I referred to earlier. He still sees him because he and I are great friends and he’s also a good man… I’m just not in love with him and he’s the kind of guy that really deserves someone who’s really “feelings/emotions” oriented and I am not that way.

    (I hope I answered both questions as well as I could)

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  978. on May 25, 2009 at 5:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    the person reenacting bb is pretty funny.

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  979. on May 25, 2009 at 5:55 pm Biting Beaver

    If all white people are de facto racist as a virtue of being born white in a racial country like america, ergo, all men are DE FACTO rapist as a virtue of being born male. Rape is worse than racism.

    To learn a few thing about my musings on rape, check out my blog:

    http://archiveofthebitingbeaver.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/the-rapist-checklist-repost/

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  980. on May 25, 2009 at 5:55 pm Obsidian

    Biting Beaver,
    First you accost me, now you deign to tell me what my fantasies are? Your arrogance offends me.

    Little girl, please, fly away. Grown folks are talking.

    So, Chic, I wanted to say, that I think it a bit harsh for Tupac and others to take the view they do with you; you enjoy oral sex being performed on you, the vast majority of Women do. No crime there, I don’t think. And its been my experience that, if performed correctly, a Man never need worry that a Woman won’t return the favor.

    O

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  981. on May 25, 2009 at 5:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””BB,
    (1)Have you had a rape fantasy before?”””””””””””

    It was 4 th grade yea ok I used to dream about fucking all the chicks in my class on an assembly line. I came up with a new invention in my dream for maximation of speed of fucking mass quantities of chicks lol

    In the dream they weren’t saying no though so I guess not rape nm

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  982. on May 25, 2009 at 5:57 pm Joe

    If all white people are de facto racist as a virtue of being born white in a racial country like america, ergo, all men are DE FACTO rapist as a virtue of being born male.

    so that means all white men are *gasp* de facto RACIST RAPISTS!

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  983. on May 25, 2009 at 5:59 pm Joe

    Biting Beaver,
    First you accost me, now you deign to tell me what my fantasies are? Your arrogance offends me.

    Obsidian, it’s a joke. Just have fun with it.

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  984. on May 25, 2009 at 6:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    You know what doug that last one was below the belt. I’m sorry dude. Anyway I wish you luck with your woman.

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  985. on May 25, 2009 at 6:00 pm Rum

    I get it. BB wants all of the guys here to enter her “blog” and provide a dose of our manliness.

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  986. on May 25, 2009 at 6:01 pm Mikkel

    @ “LR: Sorry to be so blunt, but of course my answers are “all about me” because I’m answering QUESTIONS that are directed at ME. I shall dismiss you now.”

    That just proves the point, dear attention whore.

    And you shall dismiss noone untill this thread breaks a record (at lest 1000 posts). Keep it going.

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  987. on May 25, 2009 at 6:03 pm Lady Rain

    WHOOOA! Please tell me that isn’t the real Biting Beaver. In my opinion he/she is not. Her blog reeks of REAL genuine fear of men. Although her fear is unfounded, she believes it exists. The little “lie-fest” above where she talks of being sexually dominant and “destroying” a man in bed is what makes her lie obvious.

    A woman who has real “rape-base” FEAR of men in general does not become sexually dominant and “get revenge” in such an aggressive way. You are not BB. Stop lying.

    Also “BB” according to the Rape Checklist I am also guilty of rape. I think I might be raping someone right now just by being in a room of men who have thought about rape. (?)

    On a serious note BB if you are the real BB, you are the reason people like Roissy have to write a blog. Women BORN with hate for an entire gender because they are too lazy to WORK for the respect of both men and women. You embarrass women everywhere and YOU are the reason that rape gets disregarded and taken lightly. You are the reason the rest of us ladies suffer at the hands of men who are bitter from their experiences with the likes of you and your type of “feminist”.

    A real feminist is not afraid to be beautiful and girlish. She knows that she is different from men. Not better or worse. She knows that she has skills he does not possess, but she also knows that he has the same ability. She is proud of who she is, not what is in between her legs. Stop playing the victim and being so fucking lazy, get some therapy, spend some time around “normal” men, and get on with your life!!!! You’ll have plenty of time to regret your life when you are old and realize how much life you have wasted hating a gender that you clearly don’t even truly know.

    Also…. Fuck you. No really…. fuck you.

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  988. on May 25, 2009 at 6:03 pm lurking and hurking

    big bunch of fuckin’ alpha males fighting over what’s probably fake ePussy

    what a bunch of fags

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  989. on May 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm chic noir

    mu I wanted to say, that I think it a bit harsh for Tupac and others to take the view they do with you; you enjoy oral sex being performed on you, the vast majority of Women do.
    thank you mu. It’s the one true way to ensure that the woman “get hers” so to speak. there are a lot of freaky men who there who don’t mind giving out favors to women anyway.

    guns It was 4 th grade yea ok I used to dream about fucking all the chicks in my class on an assembly line. I came up with a new invention in my dream for maximation of speed of fucking mass quantities of chicks lol
    you guys are keeping me in stiches today.

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  990. on May 25, 2009 at 6:08 pm PA

    Just because ALL of my sexual fantasies feature the following:

    – A younger helpless woman squirming “no, please”
    – My favorite seduction line: “bitch, I’ll teach YOU to tease!”
    – struggling to control her flailing arms by grabbing both her wrists with one hand and covering her mouth with the other
    – prying her knees apart
    – my trying to figure out why she’s crying afterwards and staring vacuously into space while rocking herself gently and singing softly
    – doesn’t even flinch when I touch her cheek in my semi-remorseful attempt at making nice with her
    – getting up, zipping my pants, tucking the wifebeater in, barking “you better put some ice on that” as I leave

    … doesn’t mean I have rape fantasies!

    (just joking, for the literal-minded out there!)

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  991. on May 25, 2009 at 6:08 pm novaseeker

    BB needs to just cut to the chase and say that all male babies rape their mothers by passing through their vaginas in birth, causing them pain – therefore all male babies should be chemically or physically castrated for this hideous crime.

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  992. on May 25, 2009 at 6:09 pm Biting Beaver

    This is how pretty lies perish…..

    Have you ever experienced an involuntary hard-on while watching a rape scene in a movie?

    Have you ever masturbated to a rape fantasy?

    Have you ever had a rape fantasy?

    HERE IS THE THING…none of you men will admit to your rape fantasies despite having them.

    In fact, i am willing to bet that some of you have thought of raping some of the women on this blog, lovelysexy, chicnoir, lilgirl, bhetti, lady rain, feministx, kassykay, lemmonex, and perhaps, david alexander.

    Heather not included(any woman who want to cut off her ovaries for another man…is…well, not a woman.)

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  993. on May 25, 2009 at 6:10 pm Obsidian

    Lady Rain,
    As I recall, you took issue w/Roissy’s post, on the grounds that it was potentially unethical and that it would lead his male readers down the path to Misogyny. Of course you’re entitled to your view, but if you’re truly interested in debate, and not mere harangue, then it would behoove you to specifically layout why you take issue w/the nature of this post. I must ask you, Lady Rain-have you ever read The Game, or the Mystery Method, or indeed, any other PUA/Game materials? If so, could you please list them? Otherwise, one is only left to conclude that yours is more a visceral reaction to what Roissy said, than a well reasoned one.

    Moreover, moving to Whiskey’s points, I was asking about his non-Lady Rain comments, to hich you hve yet to respond. Countless other commenteros have made the same observations and cited the same common sources, including myself, and I might add, just as you have offered personal testimony on your life, I have done same with mine. Again: do you deny the veracity of these points?

    Your response?

    O

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  994. on May 25, 2009 at 6:11 pm Arpagus

    (1)Have you had a rape fantasy before?
    (2)Have you masturbated to a rape fantasy before?

    Sure, but only after I found that all women reject me. Rape is not arousing per se; it is only instrumental to getting sex when force is the only way. Rape is making the best of a bad job. Rape is better than nothing and worth the conseqences and the honorable way out of involuntary celibacy.

    I think few men want to rape but many would if they have no other option. And then there is opportunistic rape in war and disaster, and I would do that to, sure, but the ideal is a loving affectionate woman, not rape.

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  995. on May 25, 2009 at 6:13 pm chic noir

    BB In fact, i am willing to bet that some of you have thought of raping some of the women on this blog, lovelysexy, chicnoir, lilgirl, bhetti, lady rain, feministx, kassykay, lemmonex, and perhaps, david alexander.

    😯

    oh God!

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  996. on May 25, 2009 at 6:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””on May 25, 2009 at 6:08 pm novaseeker
    BB needs to just cut to the chase and say that all male babies rape their mothers by passing through their vaginas in birth, causing them pain – therefore all male babies should be chemically or physically castrated for this hideous crime.””””””””””””””

    hhahahahahaahahhahahahahahahah

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  997. on May 25, 2009 at 6:14 pm Joe

    BB – does furiously masturbating to your posts count? (the sheer emotion in them turns me on) If so, then I guess I’m guilty as charged.

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  998. on May 25, 2009 at 6:15 pm chic noir

    arpagus Sure, but only after I found that all women reject me

    Oh God don’t act out on it and maybe it’s just the women you approach. I sure there are women, 4 and below, who are happy to have the attention of any man who treats them well.

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  999. on May 25, 2009 at 6:16 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    There are studies that show a majority of women fantasize killing their newborns, so I guess all women are killers.

    Seriously, listening to Biting Beaver makes it clear how for centuries no one took women’s opinions seriously.

    Why didn’t we continue the traditions ofold Tommy Jefferson and company and give women the right to vote?

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  1000. on May 25, 2009 at 6:20 pm PA

    Thanks to Toothy for helping inspire a last-surge effort to make this another 1,000-comment weekend thread!

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  1001. on May 25, 2009 at 6:20 pm Biting Beaver

    PA @ 6:08p.m.:

    Is that how you spend your evening with your mom? Hmmm…..

    LADY RAIN:
    Puhlease, us ladies need to stick together. Dont be a traitor to the cause.

    NOVASEEKER:

    You are actually right, i cant wait for the day when technology will be soo advance to the point that articifial womb will be created for men. They need to feel the pain of childbirth. Fucking dicks, men are.

    JOE:
    Come on, dont be such a tease. You know it that we all know it that you know it.

    RUM:
    I doubt that you a even worthy of being called a man, maybe you are(hey, i am wrong sometimes)…but that remains to be seen….I mean, given the way others reply to you on this blog. Just saying….

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  1002. on May 25, 2009 at 6:22 pm PA

    Damn, she IS cool!

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  1003. on May 25, 2009 at 6:24 pm novaseeker

    You are actually right, i cant wait for the day when technology will be soo advance to the point that articifial womb will be created for men. They need to feel the pain of childbirth. Fucking dicks, men are.

    @BB —

    Heh, these will just make women obsolete, and allow us to build our master race of alpha men and compliant women. Sayonara, BB.

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  1004. on May 25, 2009 at 6:24 pm Obsidian

    Chic,
    I thought you might enjoy the following method I have found quite helpful:

    First, BS and I start out w/direct stimulation of her clitoris via vibrator. She does it herself allowing me to enjoy the show. About 10 minutes in, she begins to visably trickle juices.

    After another 10 minutes I join in on the fun, inserting two fingers, the two on the inside of the hand, inside her and beging to vigorously digitally stimulate her g-spot. Meanwhile, she continues to work her clitoris w/her vibe-so her entire clitoris, because the g-spot is really only a continuation of a Woman’s clit, gets a full workout. We continue on like this for about 15 minutes.

    Roughly a half hour into our session, she’s convulsing and suddenly, out comes a very nice geyser of a g-spot orgasm, along w/a scream that is ear-piercing.

    Foreplay having been taken care of, I finish her off w/the Gun.

    That was last night…and hence, the text message excerpts you saw earlier.

    Try it with your friend. 🙂

    (Standing) O

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  1005. on May 25, 2009 at 6:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””I finish her off w/the Gun.”””””””

    Don;t be placing me at the scene.

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  1006. on May 25, 2009 at 6:28 pm Biting Beaver

    ARSPAGUS…..I RESPECT YOUR HONESTY AND BLUNTNESS.

    This is where pretty lies perish…the raw human nature, the male nature. if you remove the consequences, men will rape. Pure and simple.

    That is the honest to god truth. I used to admire the bluntness of Obsidian(when he was arguing with Chicnoir)…but here….i felt let down(not that he is obligated or anything…) but i like the raw truth. It is just feels strange Obsidian was willing to give it all……and let the male nature out. Once again, ARSPAGUS, thanks for the raw truth. I respect that.

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  1007. on May 25, 2009 at 6:29 pm chic noir

    @mu- I have no friend now 😦

    I was trying to get something going via whiskey but he turned me down flat. Now I’m checking on default or Kamal.
    j/k

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  1008. on May 25, 2009 at 6:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Have a good one folks

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  1009. on May 25, 2009 at 6:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    Really the truth you can’t handle the truth.

    If woman where stronger than men and our dicks stayed hard we would be getting raped every day.

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  1010. on May 25, 2009 at 6:32 pm PA

    Chic – David A. lives in the same metro area as you. You are no doubt a fantastic hugger and he’s been showing some stones here lately. Eh?

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  1011. on May 25, 2009 at 6:35 pm David Alexander

    She just recently sent me pics of herself at her flat mate’s birthday party, wearing spike five inch heels and a fetching short (ish) Coco Channel (knockoff) dress. Hot but informally elegant.

    With nails, nails, that is hot. Sans nails, it’s merely beautiful. 🙂

    I had to quit reading it so often as I did notice that it was making me prone to apocalyptic rantings.

    That’s why I stopped reading Sailor and Inductivist on a daily basis and talking to a online buddy who was borderline blatant racist. At this current moment, I’m not in the mood to be a whipping post for the guy online, and I just need to avoid anger inducing or depressing stuff online to preserve my mental sanity.

    Indeed, the issue we face as a civilization is how to navigate the ship away from this disastrous over-emphasis on individual freedom towards an understanding of the benefits, for individuals and society as well, of the pair bond. That doesn’t mean 1950s marriage. Sometimes there is a tendency among men and women alike to collapse all pair bonds into 1950s marriage, which, of course, is a big mistake. Pair bonds have taken many forms over the course of our species history. However, the idea that we cn forgo pair bonds … is a very dangerous notion that is falling flat on its face. We need to navigate away from extreme libertinism.

    I think you may have to explain yourself a bit further. Admittedly, for those of us in the younger generations, “1950s marriage” does become the pair bond, and some of us view that as stifling and unfufilling for both men and women, so we’re less inclined to support it or believe in it. Thus, individual freedom is appealing for some of us because it gives us some degree of social freedom to do stuff that in earlier times was written off as stuff for freaks. Plus, it prevents us from being entangled emotionally which avoids some of that pain that pair bonding may create. Regardless, I’d really like it if you could explain pair bonds and how they exist outside of that realm of the stereotyped 1950s marriage.

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  1012. on May 25, 2009 at 6:35 pm chic noir

    PA- I think DA posted that he found me attractive but I’m blk, don’t wear fake nails often, and not chubby so I won’t do.

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  1013. on May 25, 2009 at 6:36 pm Rum

    BB says I am not worthy of being called a man. But, according to her, being a man is not a good thing, at all. A potential rapist at the very least.
    Does this mean I am her favorite? Her ideal? I am starting to “warm” to the idea. The thought of her energetic “biting” routine is hardly a turn off.
    Deep Craziness in a woman is a different matter…

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  1014. on May 25, 2009 at 6:37 pm Default User

    Regarding Biting Beaver, I think we should refer to her? as Cuntrarian. Slightly funnier…slightly

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  1015. on May 25, 2009 at 6:38 pm Eurosabra

    Thing is, BB, we are chasing something totally fuzzy and chaotic: a chemical reaction in someone else’s mind that will make exactly the same physical act (vaginal penetration, admittedly, we are speaking of heterosex as a default) a welcome, pleasurable experience for the participants. The difference between cooking and hitting someone with a frying pan, to use a standard analogy. And yes, full-throated savagery exists in the male brainstem, but I doubt the actuality of rape is the appeal of the fantasy, rather, the appeal of the fantasy lies in the idea of a partner *welcoming* the release of total objectification, the sort of thing that even hard-core BDSM practitioners recognize as obviated by the extensive, necessary negotiated and relational elements of (good) real-world sex. Of course, if you are a MacKinnon-ite or Dworkin-disciple, female sexual agency can’t exist in het sex.

    I “get” Arpagus’s point-of-view but don’t really subscribe to it. I, too, am rejected by virtually all women–(maybe that is the difference) and I walk around with various rape fantasies, but the way I experience and use my body interpersonally is radically different. And of course I’m disabled and most of my partners have been able-bodied, but my experience was of individual variations, not of “women who make good sex objects” vs. “women who make bad sex objects.” Although I suppose I’ve been accused of having a fetish for being interested in women with disabilities similar to my own. “Sex object” status can sabotage ANYONE’s sexuality.

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  1016. on May 25, 2009 at 6:40 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Chic Noir is a 6, at most a 6.5.

    Biting Beaver – I have not even gone to your blog, and probably won’t, but the fact that you chose such a name indicates that you love to repel even the horniest of men (including black men).

    Why not call yourself ‘MeatGrinder Pussy’ at this rate?

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  1017. on May 25, 2009 at 6:45 pm Joe

    GNP guy, please don’t turn this into a race thread, because then Obsidian will respond and then Doug1 will ignore your race-baiting and only respond to Obsidian by calling him the race-baiter and then Obsidian will point out that you actually started race topic and not him and everyone will ignore that fact and just bash Obsidian except for Default User who will agree that Obsidian was just responding to you and not starting the topic and so on and so on. You get the point. We’ve all seen this a million times. The female attention whores and e-fighting over e-babes is bad enough.

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  1018. on May 25, 2009 at 6:47 pm Biting Beaver

    OBSIDIAN….

    If i am the woman, thankfully, i am not…i will soo totally shove the vibrator up your butt.

    *would love to see the expression in your face after that*.

    If you get angry, I will immediately call off the intercourse. Power tripping? why not? I play the hand that i have. Right in the middle of the action. Right there. If you try to force it i will ABSOLUTELY CALL RAPE on your sorry ass.

    You head to jail, dick.

    You should have an idea of what is like to be penetrated. To have every inch, every cell of your vagina, bruised with the impaling cock in all its arrogant thrust.

    Anyways, here is how i rate your sexual technique(that you are soooo transparently trying to impress us with…) — need tweaking here and there. Unless you think you are mr.perfect….which just means you are selfish/wont learn.

    Who knows, maybe Chic Noir fall for it(which is your aim, anyways)…..

    You guys are lame. GIRL POWER!!!

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  1019. on May 25, 2009 at 6:47 pm Default User

    Chic noir

    Now I’m checking on default or Kamal.

    [Types with extra (alpha) swagger]

    j/k

    [crushed: types in small shuffling moves]

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  1020. on May 25, 2009 at 6:51 pm novaseeker

    I think you may have to explain yourself a bit further. Admittedly, for those of us in the younger generations, “1950s marriage” does become the pair bond, and some of us view that as stifling and unfufilling for both men and women, so we’re less inclined to support it or believe in it. Thus, individual freedom is appealing for some of us because it gives us some degree of social freedom to do stuff that in earlier times was written off as stuff for freaks. Plus, it prevents us from being entangled emotionally which avoids some of that pain that pair bonding may create. Regardless, I’d really like it if you could explain pair bonds and how they exist outside of that realm of the stereotyped 1950s marriage.

    @Dave Alex —

    This is a point, and it’s going to go on my list for a post on my blog.

    The short answer is that pair bonding is millions of years old, whereas the 1950s are only one version of what it looks like.

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  1021. on May 25, 2009 at 6:56 pm Obsidian

    Little Miss Eager Beaver,
    LOL. Your feeble attempts at Ad Hominem, is what needs work, along w/the ability to proper orally service a phallus. Might I suggest practicing on said vibe you evidently have a fantasy wish to try on me? And uh, no thanks, O don’t get down in the way you desrcibed.

    As for my technique, the results speak for themselves. But I always remain teachable. Surely, based on your extensive experience you have something to share, so that we all may benefit?

    Or is it that you like to attack me so much, hmm?

    O

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  1022. on May 25, 2009 at 6:59 pm collegeboy

    Rape.

    Well before I ever approach a girl and even when I’m talking to her, I have already penetrated her in my mind. I just picture orgasminc volcanic pussy faucet dripping sex. Animal mode babe.

    Now according to “feminist” thats consider rape. hah..then rape it is lady.

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  1023. on May 25, 2009 at 6:59 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Exactly what is the purpose of ‘Biting Beaver’, or ‘RazorPussy’ as we might as well call her?

    What is her significance?

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  1024. on May 25, 2009 at 6:59 pm lurker

    I just got here and saw we have a classic stereotype among us: the man hating stripper who equates all things male with evil, and who worships at the alter of Dworkin and her conspiracy theorists.

    Like all conspiracy theorists, she is most enthused when she can attribute any failing in the world to The Grand Oppressors/Conspirators; she is no different from Jim Garrison and the 9/11 Truthers in that respect. Her shrill, condescending illogic and tone fit the pattern nicely. Unfortunately, she is bolstered in her rantings by the fact that while they do not give out college degrees in the Kennedy Conspiracy and “Loose Change,” they do for the related fields of feminism and women’s studies.

    But like most women, she fails on a basic logical note: just because a large number of people believe something does not make it true.

    She rejects all agency, all her free will, and all random chance and misunderstanding; to her, she understands every male situation and action completely, and she is a victim of every male situation and action.

    Allow her to amble back to her natural habitat: a miserable self-pitying existence where she is a victim of all things men.

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  1025. on May 25, 2009 at 7:01 pm Biting Beaver

    Default User…perhaps we should refer to you as “de-FAG Cunt”. …..

    EUROSABRE:

    Good point in all areas. We are only human.

    GNP:
    Gross Nauseating Poop.
    *if you engage me intelligently, i will respond in kind…if you try to be a dick..i will cut off your fucking balls with my spike heels, bitch.*

    RUM:
    I will bet you say that to all the girls…….

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  1026. on May 25, 2009 at 7:02 pm GNPs are for Apes

    *if you engage me intelligently, i will respond in kind…if you try to be a dick..i will cut off your fucking balls with my spike heels, bitch.*

    But what would be in it for me, to waste my time with you?

    RazorPussy. Your type is a dime a dozen. You will be gone from this board within a day or two.

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  1027. on May 25, 2009 at 7:02 pm PA

    I find Toothy one of the most entertaining trolls here in some time. Tokyo is laconic in manner and gets boring quickly. But she’s a spirited one. I wanna hear some more of her lashing out.

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  1028. on May 25, 2009 at 7:05 pm chic noir

    joe, thanks for the 6:45 comment.

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  1029. on May 25, 2009 at 7:05 pm lurker

    PA, trolls wear on you. Toothy is a ranter conspiracy theorist, and will drive any convo into her screaming lair of sely-pity and fear.

    Don’t feed her.

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  1030. on May 25, 2009 at 7:05 pm Default User

    Cuntrarian

    Default User…perhaps we should refer to you as “de-FAG Cunt”.

    Keep flirting big boy, you might get lucky…
    with Femixy that is.

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  1031. on May 25, 2009 at 7:07 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Actually, after reading 3-4 of Biting Beaver’s comments, I am convinced that this person is a parody. A satire.

    It is merely one of the regulars who wants to be a parody of an ultra-feminist, to rile up the other regular guys.

    Nothing more.

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  1032. on May 25, 2009 at 7:10 pm Default User

    I think we need 1,040 comments to break the record.

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  1033. on May 25, 2009 at 7:10 pm chic noir

    If biting beaver is upseting you, your skin is too thin. I’m with PA, she has lolrof. Something tells me that she is either DA or the blog host himself.

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  1034. on May 25, 2009 at 7:14 pm Default User

    Chic noir

    If biting beaver is upseting you, your skin is too thin. I’m with PA, she has lolrof. Something tells me that she is either DA or the blog host himself.

    Possible.

    I suspect KassyK or LovelySexy. 😀

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  1035. on May 25, 2009 at 7:15 pm chic noir

    @default- kassy k really?

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  1036. on May 25, 2009 at 7:17 pm Default User

    chic noir

    @default- kassy k really?

    No, for either.

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  1037. on May 25, 2009 at 7:17 pm Default User

    Only about four more replies needed to break the previous record.

    We can do it!

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  1038. on May 25, 2009 at 7:19 pm David Alexander

    PA- I think DA posted that he found me attractive but I’m blk, don’t wear fake nails often, and not chubby so I won’t do.

    While I like chubby white girls, I don’t mind thin black girls*. And while you don’t wear fake nails often, one could argue that a licking session may induce you to partake in such pleasurable items. I think there was once a small photo of yourself on your blog profile, I don’t think it was that bad…

    perhaps, david alexander.

    Oh dear, we have a troll that thinks it’s funny.

    Have you ever had a rape fantasy?

    Once upon a time, David was a mad scientist who wanted to turn his fallen Queen into a skanky, trashy looking slut, and bang her. The ultimate punishment for prudish, aspirant WASP.

    The short answer is that pair bonding is millions of years old, whereas the 1950s are only one version of what it looks like.

    Since I tend to like your blog, I’ll probably check out your response there.

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  1039. on May 25, 2009 at 7:22 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Default User:

    “I think we need 1,040 comments to break the record.”

    When did we ever have 1040 comments?

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  1040. on May 25, 2009 at 7:22 pm Obsidian

    Question for Dave Alex…

    You say that you have stopped reading and/or participating in venues like Steve Sailer’s site and elsewhere, on the grounds that said venues made you either angry or upset. Yet you continue to engage yourself in this forum, a place that clearly upsets you. May I ask please, what’s up with that?

    Please explain?

    O

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  1041. on May 25, 2009 at 7:26 pm Default User

    Days of Broken Arrows

    When did we ever have 1040 comments?

    The Fembot thread a while ago. [1,039 replies at time of this posting]

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  1042. on May 25, 2009 at 7:26 pm chic noir

    on May 25, 2009 at 7:22 pm Days of Broken Arrows
    Default User:

    “I think we need 1,040 comments to break the record.”

    When did we ever have 1040 comments?

    1041

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  1043. on May 25, 2009 at 7:26 pm doug1

    Bouncing Beaver–

    I’ll actually answer the central question you’re asking: have I ever had rape fantasies?

    By what I gather your definition of rape is I’m sure I have. Your definition seems to make any kind of male dominance or seduction or taping of a woman’s hindbrain while bypassing her forebrain, rape. By that definition I’ve not only fantasized about it but done it frequently. All the freaking time. With a whole lot of women.

    If by rape we restrict that to truly forcing a woman against her will, then the answer is no, never.

    Well one amendment. I have entertained the idea (as in tried it out for size in my mind) that it’s hot to start out forcing a women to have sex with me but then her loving it while I do because I’m such an awesome lover. I.e. she ends up being thrilled and happy. I’ve thought about that but it’s never been a fantasy of mine. It’s more that I can see how that could be hot. I was trying to imagine if a wrong headed delusion that that would be the result could be what leads some men to want to rape.

    In fact I think I first started to try to think about that when hearing the feminist accusations about rape fantasies in men, and trying to see if I could have one. But no. Didn’t work as fantasy for me. The girl’s gotta want it. It’s only real good in fantasy or real life for me, if she wants it big time.

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  1044. on May 25, 2009 at 7:30 pm chic noir

    BB is certainly in the running for comment of the month.

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  1045. on May 25, 2009 at 7:32 pm Biting Beaver

    HOW TO PREY ON MEN INSECURITIES.

    (1)
    Strategically depriving him of sex. Making him do sexual things against his will…attacking, mocking his sexual performances. Slapping his ass in public. Play-hitting his sexual organs in a semi-threatening manner.

    (2)Controlling what he does, who he sees and talk to, and where he goes. Guilt trip, guilt trip, guilt trip. Particularly choose between “me or your friend” scenario. particularly when he wants to go and watch sports with his friends.

    (3)Make him wait. Be late. Dont apologise. If he raises his voice, accuse him of being emotional, then ignore him. Fuck him like crazy, then disembark, and start to play with yourself…turn to him and say, “i need to get off now”…then moan like heaven on earth. Turn to him and give him a quick kiss on the cheek and whisper ” that was great”.
    This will reinforce his insecurities(seeing you can get yourself off better than he can).

    (4)Occasionally, he should caught you flirting with other guys…or your eyes wandering around their crotch.

    (5)Threatening to take children, commit suicide, or homicide, report him to child abuse agencies, report him to pet protection agencies.

    (6)For unexplainable reasons, exhibit mood swings. Always keep him guessing.

    (7)Make him feel guilty about the children…belittle his performance as a father, sending messages through the children, using visitation to harass him.

    (8)Taking his money, make him feel that he is not working hard enough, belittle his economic status. Subtly compare him unfavorably to his friends.

    (9)Make him thinks he is crazy, call him names. Treating him like a servant. Make all the big decisions. Set decision traps for him–so that when he makes decision, it fails. Then you can turn around and say: i told you so.

    (10)Use facial expressions, tone of voice, gestures, smashing things, destorying his property,; then blame it on him. Call the cops and accuse him.

    (11) FUCK HIS BRAINS OUT. But only now and then, have sex with him only now and then.

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  1046. on May 25, 2009 at 7:33 pm lurker

    Toothy, having a rape fantasy that turns you on is no different from women who fantasize about being raped, gangbanged, or tied up and slapped. Which many, many do. Women fantasize about being raped as much as men fantasize about doing it.

    Everyone also fantasizes about being violent/murdering someone who truly annoys them, hurts them, or bothers them. Doesn’t mean we would do it if societal constraints were off or if we could get away with it.

    Toothy, your logic fails in a basic way: men make civilizations and laws , not women; men make rape laws, not women. Ergo, men are against rape.

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  1047. on May 25, 2009 at 7:37 pm doug1

    Re comment record.

    Roissy’s has become a forum and chat room, as well as a blog.

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  1048. on May 25, 2009 at 7:39 pm Anonymous

    “report him to pet protection agencies”. ???

    Busted!

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  1049. on May 25, 2009 at 7:40 pm doug1

    Default–

    I suspect KassyK or LovelySexy.

    Pretty good for funny. I.e. two of the most improbable. I’m not gonna talk about another extreme improbable.

    Actually a lot of the girls now on here would be extreme improbables. All of them I think.

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  1050. on May 25, 2009 at 7:42 pm Obsidian

    LOL. Little Miss Eager Beaver, I’ve dealt w/such a gal, and I left her high and dry, it was she who called my gig and rang my cellie off the hook, so couldn’t get enough of the Good Wood, which is I’m told highly addictive (Brown Sugah also made his admission last night, btw), as well as the presence of my company. Unfortunately, she was an A1 headcase, and she tried some of the things you mentioned on the list…bad move. Word is she’s well on her way to Catladyhood.

    Wanna try anything else? *snickering to self*

    O

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  1051. on May 25, 2009 at 7:44 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    This thread has gotten so stupid.

    The whole idea of rape fantasies comes from women — it’s a theme in their literature, etc. For Biting Beaver to say that men have rape fantasies is projection. It’s women who are obsessed with rape — because it’s a validation of how they can get men to ruin their lives over desire.

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  1052. on May 25, 2009 at 7:48 pm PA

    Hey Obsidian, kudos on a fun weekend with a girl. The long weekends are a fun part of being a single guy — a girl would drive down to my place for the weekend, I’d have sex with her as often and in whatever way I feel like, maybe watch a movie, go out somewhere low key, get drunk, go out for breakfast or make an omelete and coffee in, conversation, more sex, whatever it is I feel like doing. On the last day of the long weekend just hang around, or she’ll make me dinner. Always left me in a real good mood.

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  1053. on May 25, 2009 at 7:54 pm Biting Beaver

    For all the men whining about this or that. Let me make myself as blunt as possible: I offer no apology for what i am. I take no prisoners.

    I eat what i can kill. This is life. It is cruel, it is hard. We are only around for a limited time.

    Still, i understand that fair is fair: Man is something to be domesticated.

    Oh yes, speaking of BJ, there is absolutely no fucking way in hell i will go down on a man that wont go down on me first. Hell fucking no. I make my rules, take it or leave it. I control the sexual market. I know that. I wont pretend otherwise.

    Here is always this case, because i would have teased his cock to dripping pre-cum to begin with….there is always my slightly suppressed chuckle as i see his so called manly pride melts away and acquiesce to my demand.

    You all can be lead by the dick. Dont even pretend otherwise. We, girls, have you by the ball. And you know what? WE can crush it anytime.

    SUCKERS!!

    Who is the bitch now? Bitch.

    Seriously, i have the pussy, dont i? So, why should i make you do anything i want as long as i can get away with it?

    I AM A WOMAN. HEAR ME ROOOOAAARRRRRR!!!!!

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  1054. on May 25, 2009 at 7:57 pm chic noir

    from the fingers of the one and only BB:

    SUCKERS!!

    Who is the bitch now? Bitch.

    Seriously, i have the pussy, dont i? So, why should i make you do anything i want as long as i can get away with it?

    I AM A WOMAN. HEAR ME ROOOOAAARRRRRR!!!!!

    LOL
    Biting Beaver has ruined my carefully placed eyeliner and mascara.

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  1055. on May 25, 2009 at 7:57 pm doug1

    One of the more commonly accepted (but not yet jury likely) outrageous feminist theories of rape is that f*cking a drunk woman is raping her.

    This pisses me off.

    How is it that a drunk driver is held fully responsible for his actions, but a drunk woman having sex isn’t, according to rad feminists?

    How is it that a drunk man hitting or even slapping a woman is held fully responsible for his actions, but a drunk woman having sex isn’t, according to rad feminists?

    It’s absurd.

    If she’s passed out, sure.

    Otherwise, her responsibility.

    Not saying that’s my idea of hot or modus operandi. Though a bit drunk, yeah often, esp. with sluts. Goes with the territory, most of the time.

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  1056. on May 25, 2009 at 7:59 pm PA

    Toothy is awesome!

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  1057. on May 25, 2009 at 8:01 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “You all can be lead by the dick. Dont even pretend otherwise. We, girls, have you by the ball. And you know what? WE can crush it anytime.”

    Um, not really because there is always another girl, which is the point of this blog.

    Life for men in the US is not an insular rural high school circa 1972, where we had one chance with one girl. With Yahoo messenger, Craig’s List, Match and a zillion other online services, any halfway decent man can have a near-unlimited supply of women.

    (Not that we choose, to; I’m making the point knowing we all can makes women that much less powerful sexually. Thus, we all now fully appreciate women like Clio and Co., who bring to the table something other than the cliches of feminism pushed by Biting Beaver.)

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  1058. on May 25, 2009 at 8:02 pm Default User

    nibbling hamster

    I AM A WOMAN. HEAR ME ROOOOAAARRRRRR!!!!!

    I am a man watch me yaaaawn

    OK, you did cause me to crack a smile. Now shutup and get me a beer.

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  1059. on May 25, 2009 at 8:06 pm wow

    Beaver: I am man hear me fart!!

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  1060. on May 25, 2009 at 8:06 pm PA

    Hey Toothy Mzz. Beaver, what would you do if you and some guy were making out and he said “suck me, ho” ?

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  1061. on May 25, 2009 at 8:06 pm Rum

    “dripping pre-cum” ???

    Come on guys. Our host is leaving clues all over the place.

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  1062. on May 25, 2009 at 8:06 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Ob:

    So, Chic, I wanted to say, that I think it a bit harsh for Tupac and others to take the view they do with you; you enjoy oral sex being performed on you, the vast majority of Women do.

    Read closer. My problem isn’t with women who enjoy oral sex. It’s women who only RECEIVE without GIVING BACK.

    No crime there, I don’t think. And its been my experience that, if performed correctly, a Man never need worry that a Woman won’t return the favor.

    Really, Obsidian? Check this out:

    Hey Chic, if a man goes down on you, will you later put his dick in yo mouf?

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  1063. on May 25, 2009 at 8:07 pm aliasclio

    DOBA, if you’ve ever read that famous piece called “Dan Quayle Was Right” in The Atlantic, you’ll know that your observation about the loss of fathers is not true: children who lose fathers through death are not as likely to grow up with serious behavioural problems as those who lose their fathers through divorce or abandonment.

    Beaver, you write
    The bottomline is, most men, during their lifetime HAD RAPE FANTASIES. What does that say?

    According to Nancy Friday and others, many women have rape fantasies, but no one today says that this is any grounds for allowing rapists to excuse themselves from accusations of rape. A man can’t say, “Oh yes, your Honour, I raped her, but that’s because I had reason to suspect she had rape fantasies about me. So she was really consenting.” If you reverse the polarity, you’ll see that it wouldn’t be fair for a woman to condemn a man for having rape fantasies as long as he doesn’t act on them.

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  1064. on May 25, 2009 at 8:08 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    schoolboy:

    Rape.

    Well before I ever approach a girl and even when I’m talking to her, I have already penetrated her in my mind. I just picture orgasminc volcanic pussy faucet dripping sex. Animal mode babe.

    Now according to “feminist” thats consider rape. hah..then rape it is lady.

    Learned in the ways of the Dark Side you are, young padawan.

    Congratulations.

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  1065. on May 25, 2009 at 8:08 pm Biting Beaver

    Doug1.

    Just one question: Have you ever fantasized about raping bhetti?

    YES or NO.

    I dont need your meandering long sentences that bore me to death. Just a simple, direct, “manly”, straightforward “YES” or “NO” will suffice.
    (this is how we will truly know if you are liar or not. I have never met a honest man who hasnt fantasize about raping his girlfriend, wife, or a girl he is dating or trying to date.)

    Yes, is it absolutely possible to rape your wife. Non consensual, invasive sex is still invasive, which ever way you want to slice it.

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  1066. on May 25, 2009 at 8:10 pm PA

    I think DOBA and others underestimate the very effect that the mere PHYSICAL PRESENCE of a man in the house has on getting the kid to act right.

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  1067. on May 25, 2009 at 8:10 pm chic noir

    got it^^^

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  1068. on May 25, 2009 at 8:11 pm novaseeker

    Laughter.

    Haha, this is 2009, young lady, not 1972. Oh well. Let’s do the time warp again, I guess. So boring though.

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  1069. on May 25, 2009 at 8:13 pm chic noir

    PA
    I think DOBA and others underestimate the very effect that the mere PHYSICAL PRESENCE of a man in the house has on getting the kid to act right.

    PA, I agree. Most children look at mom as the softer parent. Even hard mom can’t scare her son much after he has gone through puberty.

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  1070. on May 25, 2009 at 8:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Pulls out dick pisses on the biting beaver. Slight amount of precum goes out with it.

    I love the beaver.

    Is that wrong?

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  1071. on May 25, 2009 at 8:17 pm Eurosabra

    Actually, BB, a man your age involved with a woman Dubhe’s age would be accused of “grooming” a victim and other unseemliness. You get a pass because of the gender reversal. And if he does get a vasectomy to please you, his goth-renfaire-witchy DNA will pass from the Earth with no legacy.

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  1072. on May 25, 2009 at 8:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    pussy I love the pussy not the beaver.

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  1073. on May 25, 2009 at 8:20 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    who is this BB character. She’s no where near as amusing as Lady Rain. Some of the guy’s on here claiming to be alpha get caught up in validation approving behaviour way too often.

    BB = Weak sauce.

    DH,

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  1074. on May 25, 2009 at 8:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””chic noir
    PA
    I think DOBA and others underestimate the very effect that the mere PHYSICAL PRESENCE of a man in the house has on getting the kid to act right.

    PA, I agree. Most children look at mom as the softer parent. Even hard mom can’t scare her son much after he has gone through puberty.”””””””””””””””””””””

    Chic you don’t understand men. My mom couldn’t scare me after I was born. I came out having wrapped the umbilical cord around my own throat like don’t fuck with me. By 2 I was banging my head on the floor like what what! What you gonna do to punish me pain that is the other guys problem. You cannot physically intimidate me ful. So yea parents had to earn my respect he he he

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  1075. on May 25, 2009 at 8:24 pm Biting Beaver

    Obsidian,

    Quick question: Did you bought the girl the dildo? I like a man who buys me a dildo. It asserts my higher hierarchy–indicating his limitation in pleasuring me. Naturally, i will feint– “Oh, it shows your sexual security” line crap.

    Personally, i prefer rare-to-find dildoes….like clearly uncircumsized dildoes with blinking lights. If he is white or asian….i will indicate preference for black dildoes…if he is black, i will indicate preference for white ones…naturally, the dildo is going to be hugely bigger than his dick. Of course. I play to win/crush his ego. Life aint fair.
    I want to psychologically own him.
    I am cuckold him with a dildo he bought with his own money. Almost as good as him paying for a condom i use to fuck his friend three days after breaking up with him.

    Seriously, you men think you are tough? That you are in control? That you have it all figured out?

    FOOLS!!

    I have the pussy. I have the power. If you dont like it, go fuck yourself. I play to win. I take no prisoners.

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  1076. on May 25, 2009 at 8:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is why the key is to get a woman who loves you unconditionaly then you get to do what ever the fuck you want almost and at the end of the day you still get to fuck. Yea ok you got to love her unconditionally too. Like after I am dead sure she might be tempted to slap me for this shit. I may even let her get in a couple he he he Then of course we will laugh and cuddle because you can’t stop the jaugernaut of love baby.

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  1077. on May 25, 2009 at 8:27 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Gunny:

    My mom couldn’t scare me after I was born. I came out having wrapped the umbilical cord around my own throat like don’t fuck with me. By 2 I was banging my head on the floor like what what! What you gonna do to punish me pain that is the other guys problem. You cannot physically intimidate me ful. So yea parents had to earn my respect he he he

    lol

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  1078. on May 25, 2009 at 8:31 pm Rum

    Heather, is that you?
    The perfect girlfriend: Lesbian, alcoholic, multiple drug abuser who sometimes makes the leap to total raving madness.
    I have trouble sleeping when she is not around.

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  1079. on May 25, 2009 at 8:31 pm lurker

    Toothy, great stuff. You should work up a comedy act.

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  1080. on May 25, 2009 at 8:36 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Seriously, you men think you are tough? That you are in control? That you have it all figured out?

    FOOLS!!

    I have the pussy. I have the power. If you dont like it, go fuck yourself. I play to win. I take no prisoners.

    SHOW US YOUR TITS

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  1081. on May 25, 2009 at 8:37 pm PA

    Gunner: was this song about you?

    On the day I was born, the nurses all gathered ’round
    And they gazed in wide wonder, at the joy they had found
    The head nurse spoke up, and she said leave this one alone
    She could tell right away, that I was bad to the bone

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  1082. on May 25, 2009 at 8:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    “hands tupoc a beer”

    You know what will make her do that.

    Woman like to work for there beer.

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  1083. on May 25, 2009 at 8:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    I have too many good streaks.

    I do not understand long term flirting game though. If I want to fuck a chick it is usually not a long term trial to get her in bed as displayed in previous conquest I put online. I think it was what 3 phrases and she was cyber fucking me. That is more my normal speed. So when I get a chick to the point where she is hitting on me I consider that a closed deal.

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  1084. on May 25, 2009 at 8:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    3 lines

    fuck

    ltr game.

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  1085. on May 25, 2009 at 8:46 pm Biting Beaver

    I wont consider it rape if a woman forcibly have intercourse with a man–and if the man had an erection. Particularly, if the man came.

    Take it or leave it, using a dildo in a relationship is cuckoldry. Cuckoldry by inanimate object. But yes, still is.

    Particularly if you are one that bought the girl the dildo.
    (that one is for you, Obsidian)

    DEFAULT USER….get you a beer? Is that an euphemism? I will bet “you drink straight from the bottle”…must be your preference for holding cylindrical object that guzzles fluid into your mouth.*wink*. Wont be the first time, i guess.

    SCHOOLBOY…i wont take offense because you have a weak imagination to begin with….

    GUNSLERGIRIEGIE( or whatever your name is.) . On your golden shower fantasy…..that is fine, only that i would return the favor by peeing straight into your agape mouth, with your tongue duly extended out as my pee goes straight down your throat….cue *gaggling throat sound*….giving a new meaning to “chugging a drink”. trust me, i dont miss or splash.

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  1086. on May 25, 2009 at 8:46 pm Arpagus

    BB

    I have never met a honest man who hasnt fantasize about raping his girlfriend, wife, or a girl he is dating or trying to date.

    In my view, raping a wife or girlfriend is both pointless and impossible as long as she is willing. Why on earth would a man fantasize about raping a girl who is giving him as much sex as he wants? That would amount to wishing she would resist, and that to me is absurd, completely backwards of what a sexual fantasy is.

    Now with a girl he is trying to date but who rejects him, it is another matter.

    Raping a wife is physically possible if she truly resists to the best of her ability, but I support the old common-law marriage exception because if a marriage contract is to be meaningful it must also entail some enforceable duties for the woman, not just the man. Rape is carnal knowledge of a woman not one’s wife by force and without consent. (This does not mean that I condone raping one’s wife, except perhaps in extreme cases of her withholding sex for a very long time, but I strongly believe the husband should be exempt from punishment as long as she is married to him.)

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  1087. on May 25, 2009 at 8:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    A man can’t rape his wife. He has to sleep sometime. If she doesn’t kill him it wasn’t rape. There you go question answered.

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  1088. on May 25, 2009 at 8:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    No need for gov intervention

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  1089. on May 25, 2009 at 8:51 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    My little chickadee:

    Particularly if you are one that bought the girl the dildo.
    (that one is for you, Obsidian)

    I sort of agree.

    Maybe I’m just weird, but I feel a bit put off if a girl is diddling her clit while I’m banging her.

    Am I crazy?

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  1090. on May 25, 2009 at 8:52 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Clio,

    It looks to me like that Atlantic article confirms my viewpoint – that a dead father is less disruptive of a kids’ life than non dad at all (see below).

    Anyway, I know you and PA have a point about dads needing to be in the house. I just think people downplay genetics too much. Again, my larger point was that single mothers live in fantasyland thinking they’re going to get a physicist by breeding with a biker thug. What they get is a little biker thug.

    It baffles me how women won’t breed with blacks or short guys because they don’t want their kids to have those characteristics, but they’ll go for druggies, alcoholics and thugs, when there is a large genetic component to addiction and violence.

    The Atlantic article says:

    “Moreover, the death of a father is not likely to disrupt the authority structure radically. When a father dies, he is no longer physically present, but his death does not dethrone him as an authority figure in the child’s life….”

    My take: This was published in 1993, before we had studies about the wild gene and genetics’ effect on personalities. My guess is the “widowed” kids behaved well because they came from good genetic stock.

    Here is a link to one (of many) stydies of how genetics influence personality:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-505786/Why-British-bulldog-spirit-genes.html

    Here is the 1993 Atlantic article:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/family/danquayl.htm

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  1091. on May 25, 2009 at 8:56 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Regarding Gunny:

    I think this touching poem by Pantera more accurately reflects the Gunny lifestyle (at least as it was before he got shipped out):

    I fucked your girlfriend last night.
    While you snored and drooled, I fucked your love.
    She called me Daddy. And I called her baby when I
    smacked her ass. I called her sugar when I ate
    her alive till daylight. And I slept with her all
    over me, from forehead to ribcage I dripped her ass.

    Sometimes I thought you might be spying, living out some
    Brash fantasy, but no. you were knocked out. But we were
    all knocked out you know.

    In a way
    I serve too many masters.

    We didnt know you’d break the bottle that the magic
    came in to use those jagged shards to slit our wrists
    and neck. And you’d do it too, you’re that kind of dude.
    But you wouldn’t know what you were doing because
    I didnt. Your girlfriend could have been a burn
    victim, an amputee, a dead body. But god damn I wanted
    to fuck.

    Im serving too many fucking masters.

    [I told you. I told you motherfucker]

    –“Good Friends And A Bottle of Pills”

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  1092. on May 25, 2009 at 8:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Your gonna die bitch

    I am coming out of the booth.

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  1093. on May 25, 2009 at 9:00 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    DOBA, you make a good point about women consciously avoiding, say blacks or shorties but not recognizing the genetic component of alcoholics, abusers, bikers, etc.

    That’s a meme that needs to spread.

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  1094. on May 25, 2009 at 9:01 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Your gonna die bitch

    I am coming out of the booth.

    Toll Booth Willie?

    LOL

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  1095. on May 25, 2009 at 9:04 pm chic noir

    tupac Maybe I’m just weird, but I feel a bit put off if a girl is diddling her clit while I’m banging her.

    Am I crazy?
    yes if you let a toy out man you. Man the pluck up Tupac and enjoy the visual delights that modern american women offer you.

    P.S. Show us a pic of your abs and arms. I bet you have nice arms.

    P.S.S Do you look anything like Mark Sanchez?

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  1096. on May 25, 2009 at 9:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    I got extended ltr game now. Or eltr.
    since the cancer scare.

    I plan shit about what where gonna be doing as a couple after we are dead he he he

    Highly suggested to try makes your ltr wet.

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  1097. on May 25, 2009 at 9:06 pm Biting Beaver

    ARPAGUS
    “Why on earth would a man fantasize about raping a girl who is giving him as much sex as he wants?”

    Because rape is not about sex, it is about power. In fact, most of sex is not just about sex, there is always an element of power thrown into it. It is a war of dominance. Embrace the raw unfiltered truth.

    GUnsrlegierigi.
    Is that what your father does to your mother?

    TUPAC “drooling mouth” CHOPRA.
    Hehehe. Yes, we all do that…it is a small way of emasculating a man. little, by little. dildoes, playing with our clit during thrusting, “mistakenly” moaning an ex-boyfriend’s name during sex, yawning during intercourse, laughing mysteriously during intercourse, screaming for “more and more” right after you just came and started turning soft, etc.

    There is a thousand ways to slice and dice men.

    I have the pussy. I have the power. You cant fight the power.

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  1098. on May 25, 2009 at 9:07 pm Arpagus

    BB

    I wont consider it rape if a woman forcibly have intercourse with a man

    Here we are in complete agreement. It is conceptually impossible for a woman to rape a man for the simple reason that sex is a female resource. The man is lucky to have sex with a woman, period, no matter how much he resists.

    For a man to complain that he was “raped” by a woman is the moral equivalent of whining about someone stealing your garbage, because male sexuality is in fact worthless garbage. Or perhaps a more apt analogy would be that it can’t possibly be rape any more than it could be robbery if someone forcibly stuffs 100$ bills into your pockets. Women are sex objects by nature and are therefore excluded from committing sexual offenses. No exceptions. Furthermore, if a boy or man had the nerve to complain about being a “victim” of a woman’s sexual acts, I would be so consumed by jealousy and hatred that I would want to beat the crap out him. Just who does he think he is? Occasionally one hears about underage boys who are “abused” by women and it consumes me with rage wishing I could kill the spoiled brats and everyone who acknowledges the concept of a female sexual abuser or rapist. That is really something that feels like a kick in the face and a mockery by the media and courts of male sexuality and the reality of how hard it in fact is to get laid.

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  1099. on May 25, 2009 at 9:08 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    I bet you have nice arms.

    My arms are nothing special. I think my back is my strong suit.

    But I seem to get a lot of compliments from women on my butt and hands.

    Do you look anything like Mark Sanchez

    I’m not that macho looking.

    I get compared to 3 different actors frequently, who seem to have nothing in common:

    – Al Pacino (I get this mostly from black guys. Seriously, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard, “Yo, check it out, that motherfucker looks like Scarface”)

    – Jeff Goldblum

    – Charlie Sheen

    I’m a chameleon I guess.

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  1100. on May 25, 2009 at 9:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””“more and more” right after you just came and started turning soft, etc. “””””””””””””

    hahahahahahhaaha

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  1101. on May 25, 2009 at 9:11 pm chic noir

    Oh tupac, I want pics 🙂

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  1102. on May 25, 2009 at 9:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    Arpargus have you not tried escort service?

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  1103. on May 25, 2009 at 9:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think you mean really hard to get laid for free. For money though how hard is it talk to lucifer about that.

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  1104. on May 25, 2009 at 9:15 pm chic noir

    guns, I have a feeling there is no woman who can keep up with arpargus. He is a man with a very high drive.

    Al Pacino (I get this mostly from black guys. Seriously, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard, “Yo, check it out, that motherfucker looks like Scarface”)

    with or without voting for Obama, you will be safe in the hood my friend.

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  1105. on May 25, 2009 at 9:15 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    The idea that rape is about power was invented by feminist Susan Brownmiller. She just came up with it. It’s not based on any scientific evidence.

    And it leave out one important thing: To rape, men have to have an erection and to have that, you have to be turned on. So it has to be about sex on some level.

    Here is a link to a scientific analysis that proves once and for all what most people know instinctively: Rape is largely about sex.

    http://iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Women/rape.htm

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  1106. on May 25, 2009 at 9:19 pm doug1

    PA–

    Just because ALL of my sexual fantasies feature the following:

    Great stuff.

    Hysterical and brilliant!!

    (Missed earlier.)

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  1107. on May 25, 2009 at 9:23 pm Cannon's Canon

    re: females raping males
    I shared the other week that I hooked up with a girl who tried to straddle me repeatedly after I told her I would not fuck her without a condom. I was aroused but said no, and she kept persisting. Her promiscuity revealed itself over time, and I felt vindicated in my heat-of-the-moment responsibility. I am convinced she would have stained my dick with terrible disease or tried to get herself pregnant, or both.

    I don’t think I REALLY would have minded if she succeeded, but if she had given me an STD after I’d told her to cool off, would I have grounds for complaint? lawsuit? criminal charges?

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  1108. on May 25, 2009 at 9:25 pm Biting Beaver

    days of broken arrow.

    rape : sex or power?

    Perhaps, it may be due to my readings of Friedrich Nietzsche. But sex is the most basic of human drive. And it serves one reproductive purpose. Which is power. Reproduction or fucking, is fundamentally about power.

    The most violent expression of sex is rape, ergo, rape is about power.

    Your thinking is that if something turns you on, it is about sex. Not at all. Particularly since men do have embarrassing turns on at inappropriate times without even thinking.

    Besides, sex is about power. Even the sex act itself is inherently violent. Violence is about power.

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  1109. on May 25, 2009 at 9:25 pm doug1

    BB–

    In fact, most of sex is not just about sex, there is always an element of power thrown into it. It is a war of dominance. Embrace the raw unfiltered truth.

    Yawn.

    Of course. When it’s good that is.

    And of course it’s natural for men to dominate in sex. A lot. When it’s good that is.

    Only a tiny minority of women are most satisfied the other way around, or with even-steven.

    Despite the lies of feminism.

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  1110. on May 25, 2009 at 9:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    What the fuck kind of song was that tupac dam.

    In that songs honor I am about to ask my co worker to suck my dick. I just gave her a massage and will be asking for reciprocation. Mua Mua hhahahahahaahah

    In

    5
    4
    3
    2
    1
    and

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  1111. on May 25, 2009 at 9:26 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    On the day I was born, the nurses all gathered ’round
    And they gazed in wide wonder, at the joy they had found
    The head nurse spoke up, and she said leave this one alone
    She could tell right away, that I was bad to the bone

    Actually, I think this touching ode penned by those poets in Pantera more accurately captures the spirit of the Gunny lifestyle (at least as it was before he got shipped out):

    I fucked your girlfriend last night.
    While you snored and drooled, I fucked your love.
    She called me Daddy. And I called her baby when I
    Smacked her ass. I called her sugar when I ate
    Her alive till daylight. And I slept with her all
    Over me, from forehead to ribcage I dripped her ass.
    Sometimes I thought you might be spying, living out some
    Brash fantasy, but no. You were knocked out. But we were
    All knocked out you know.

    In a way…
    I serve too many masters.

    We didn’t know you’d break the bottle that the magic
    Came in to use those jagged shards to cut our wrists
    And neck. And you’d do it too, you’re that kind of dude.
    But you wouldn’t know what you were doing because
    I didn’t, your girlfriend could have been a burn
    Victim, an amputee, a dead body. But god damn I wanted
    To fuck.

    I’m serving too many fucking masters.
    [I told you. I told you motherfucker]

    – “Good Friends And A Bottle Of Pills”

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  1112. on May 25, 2009 at 9:26 pm Arpagus

    Because rape is not about sex, it is about power.

    That is the feminist lie that offends me the most. I take it personally. Right now no woman wants to have sex with me. I am also broke. The only way I can have sex even in theory is rape. Does that mean I am not horny? Do you really think a man loses interest in sex and starts thinking about power the moment a girl says no? Then you are a typical feminist idiot. Not to mention that it hurts women because then any man who is forcing a girl out of sexual desire must think that what he’s doing can’t possibly be rape because that is someting someone does motivated by power. But of course the prime concern of feminists is to offend and demonize men at all cost, so they don’t care about that.

    Rape is no more about power than prostitution is about the desire to give money to girls. The violence is just instrumental just as money is in prostitution.

    I’d suggest reading A Natural History of Rape by Thornhill & Palmer for a thorough refutation of this vicious feminist lie, but I know you are too brainwashed to understand anyway.

    Oh, and the other feminist lie who offends me so much I want to kill somebody is the notion that rape can be gender neutral and boys somehow can be raped by women that I addressed above. The most extreme feminists believe that as well to mock men maximally while also hurting some women who sleep with the enemy and to ensure that all boys grow up a world as cold as I did.

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  1113. on May 25, 2009 at 9:28 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    “Sex Is Violent” – Jane’s Addiction

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  1114. on May 25, 2009 at 9:30 pm collegeboy

    Biting beaver said, SCHOOLBOY…i wont take offense because you have a weak imagination to begin with….

    haha thats all I needed..you are in fact someone who posts here alot. My suspision is that its roissy,DA,Lady t-pain, anony, or feministdick.

    Shame on you!! for building an alter ego….wait…hmm

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  1115. on May 25, 2009 at 9:31 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Sorry for the double post. The blog is acting funny now I guess because of all the comments

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  1116. on May 25, 2009 at 9:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Only fucked one married chic in my life. I do have standards.

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  1117. on May 25, 2009 at 9:37 pm chic noir

    thanks for the pics tupac 🙂

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  1118. on May 25, 2009 at 9:38 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Gunny:

    What the fuck kind of song was that tupac dam.

    Here you go

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  1119. on May 25, 2009 at 9:39 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Chic, you’ll get the pic when you lick the tip.

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  1120. on May 25, 2009 at 9:39 pm doug1

    chic

    thanks for the pics tupac 🙂

    Oh so you’ve pulled a doug1, female edition, have you?

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  1121. on May 25, 2009 at 9:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol

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  1122. on May 25, 2009 at 9:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    She just left everyone give me a line to use will pick best one to ask for bj. Go

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  1123. on May 25, 2009 at 9:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Jesus I am fucked up I need to focus. It has been 8 months though will go use latrine.

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  1124. on May 25, 2009 at 9:47 pm collegeboy

    gunshootergreg:

    You still in Iraq?

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  1125. on May 25, 2009 at 9:49 pm PA

    My favorite first-blowjob line when I am making out with a girl for the first time: “will you kiss it?”

    Always worked, even with initial token reluctance on her part.

    Of course, I once asked a girl at a party — out of the blue, we were just smoking cigarettes in the backyard and talking normally — “will you go down on me?” To my shock, she did.

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  1126. on May 25, 2009 at 9:49 pm Arpagus

    Gunslingergregi

    Arpargus have you not tried escort service?

    A long time ago. Can’t afford it now. To drive up the cost of sex the feminists here in Norway just passed a law on January 1. 2009 criminalizing men who buy sex but NOT the whores; they can go on selling legally. That’s how blatant the misandry is here; they don’t even pretend it’s not about oppressing men. And it worked. We had the most expensive sex in the world already and now it’s worse, and of course the whole point is that it trickles up and makes the more expensive girls who ostensibly are “free” even more demanding before they will have sex. The point is to limit a cheap substitute so all women can get more expensive. And the law applies to Norwegian men all over the world even if we go somewhere it’s legal.

    Not that I’m averse to breaking the law, of course I don’t respect feminist justice at all, just illustrating the hateful climate of feminism that I live in. We are ten years behind Sweden with that law but it is gradually getting just as bad here.

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  1127. on May 25, 2009 at 9:50 pm Bhetti

    Doug is an ultimate fantasy. He is not any man. He is not just anyone. He’s a man who showed me why men are amazing. A man to inspire every single emotion available to me. Every action is currently geared towards pleasing him, even these comments. I have to fight this silly urge: I don’t want to talk to anyone ever again, just to him. I’m not interested in anyone else. I want to go ask his permission every time I do something.

    There will be noone like him. How can I ever say yes if there is not? But if there is a man in my life who makes me feel what he does, if there is, I will not just say yes, I will go after him and I will do my best to keep him forever. Mine. There will be noone else, if that ever happens. For life. I will give him everything, and he would be worth it. The man’s special, with his insight, with all his sides, with his endless depths. All other men are pale, all experience is pale.

    If anything, he has ruined me, because saying ‘yes’ will be harder than ever before to anyone else. He has made chastity much easier.

    Gunny:
    I was just being nice to you and you continue to hurt and offend. Stop implying I will, stop trying to stir up something that I don’t even remember being there. I would never do that to him. I WILL NOT CHEAT ON MY DOUG (CURRENTLY NOT EVEN REMOTELY TEMPTED). Not in real life. Not anywhere. Even if I find someone that actually inspires more (can that even happen?) or the equivalent of what he does. Not without him letting me go.

    I will continue to say positive things about people/men, because he has encouraged me to do it and it’s a good thing. It means nothing. If I see something positive in a man, it is because what I’m seeing reminds me of him.

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  1128. on May 25, 2009 at 9:50 pm Kamal S.

    Observations:

    1. Those who have to crudely claim their power and strength often, really, are lacking in it. Hence the need for affirmation. Many who claims pussy power, or for that matter cock power, are actually just scared and wounded inside and making bold claims is a sort of auto-suggestion, “I am a Biting Beaver, hear me roar (or rather hear my teeth gnash)”
    “I am a newly minted Alpha Male, see the power of my cock.”
    “White Pride, white power”
    “Black Pride, Black power”
    “We are the voices of Aztlan coming to reclaim our land, ours is power, hear our cries”
    “We are womyn of power, our pussies own you.”

    And so on, and indeed so forth. This is understandable, those who have experienced powerlessness often need to claim power as a compensation in return. In this case the hard shell sits on top of a warm, soft, and wounded core. Bluster hides fear.

    BB@

    “..I don’t need your meandering long sentences that bore me to death. Just a simple, direct, “manly”, straightforward “YES” or “NO” will suffice.
    (this is how we will truly know if you are liar or not. I have never met a honest man who hasn’t fantasize about raping his girlfriend, wife, or a girl he is dating or trying to date.)”

    2. Well there you go. Like David Alexander, you also have defined reality as you want to see it, and a priori excluded the very possibility of your view being wrong or of exceptions existing to it.

    If you, by definition, assert that every single man on the planet has fantasized about raping his girl friend, and that anyone who says otherwise is a liar, then besides a claim to omniscience on the issue (a logical impossibility) you’ve a priori eliminated the possibility of engaging in an honest discourse on the subject. Because if a man denies what you claim, you simply claim him to be a liar, and if he affirms what you claim, then obviously he’s a dangerous oppressive man with rapist tendencies.

    For the record I have never fantasized about raping a girl friend or lover.

    I have, however, had a couple of girlfriends admit to having rape fantasies about me, and asking me if I want to try acting out that fantasy. The idea creeped me out and I said no. The common factors were; both were natural redheads. What this means, I do not know, but it is a correlation. Both women were in private extremely, extremely, sexually submissive though in public they both played the role of hard gritty mean bitches. Once they revealed their submissive side it was rather odd, they became like fluffy kittens. Both enjoyed being sexually dominated greatly. As for psychological health, both girls were a bit unbalanced, though one was psychologically functional, the other – I discovered after a short time in our relationship – was extremely unbalanced.
    Both had hearts of gold though. And in both cases I didn’t take them up on it. The psychological weight of a black man acting out rape fantasies with a pale red head really, really, fucked with my head. I didn’t want any part of that scenario.

    So there you go, you decide if I’m a liar or telling the truth. In truth, it’s inconsequential, either way I could care less what you believe and how you fit me into your ideological schema. I have no vested interest in whether or not a woman in cyberspace, geographically isolated from me by thousands of miles, whom I am unlikely to ever meet in person, actually happens to believe me or not. Indeed I could barely give a flying damn what you believe.

    But I do feel… sad that your world is inwardly marked by such spiritual and psychological poverty.

    It is possible that a person has never once experienced a healthy heterosexual erotic relationship in their life that wasn’t marred by suspicion fear and self initiated power games. Of course often people’s personal ideologies are influenced by personal experiences of pain, regret, violation, attack, and unhealed wounds.

    We all bear such crosses in many ways, men and women alike are often wounded in matters of love. If someone cannot find it in themselves to truly, truly, heal and see thee world and humanity in all of its complexity, good and evil, then that person may never have a chance to live a life marked by joy instead of suppressed rage. This is indeed a pity. Life is far too short to let your heart rot in pain, paranoia, and fear. Life is far too short for most things, actually. It is a pity, but it is the human condition. We are our wounds, both those healed and those unhealed. And we are free, t damn ourselves or to save ourselves.

    How we see the other is often a reflection of what is inside ourselves. This is what I have said to other men on this forum, and other women. You are welcome to take that advice and either apply it, ignore it and rant, fuck yourself hard with it, fuck yourself softly with it, paint it on your forehead, piss on it, or frankly do whatever you want with it. I’m fairly indifferent to the outcome. It is only offered as a gesture of, eh, let us say, refined noblesse oblige.

    And no, you don’t have to thank me. Unless you want to.

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  1129. on May 25, 2009 at 9:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””collegeboy
    gunshootergreg:

    You still in Iraq?”””””””

    If I wasn’t wouldn’t need a line for a bj. I mantained though. Just got slight massage. Stayed true and all that.

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  1130. on May 25, 2009 at 10:04 pm collegeboy

    Bhetti = Comical Satire

    Gunslingergreg:

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  1131. on May 25, 2009 at 10:14 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Kamal, I appreciate your contributions.

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  1132. on May 25, 2009 at 10:15 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    And Gunny, thanks for your service.

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  1133. on May 25, 2009 at 10:18 pm Kamal S.

    The sublime Miss Clio@
    “According to Nancy Friday and others, many women have rape fantasies, but no one today says that this is any grounds for allowing rapists to excuse “

    I’m sure BB’s read Anais Nin.
    I wouldn’t say many, I’d guess “most”, though unlike BB I won’t make this into a dogmatic assertion. Besides the two girlfriends I mentioned above, I’ve also had a few female friends admit to rape fantasies.

    Many of my female friends tell me all of their dirty secrets. Not only that, but all of the dirty secrets of everyone else in my community. Listening to them is better than watching TV. More entertaining, and more educational. Who needs Channel 12 news when you have the coffee shop grapevine?

    Missing in the war over sexual politics and its rigidly drawn sides is an admission of just how complex human sexuality is, male and female. How disturbing a good deal of the fantasies many women and men alike experience. How complex and nuanced human desire can be. Love and hate can rest together in the same heart, aimed at the same target. Indifference can sometimes turn into passion.

    There is a dark and light side to the human imagination. If you fear it and refuse to look at it for what it is, accept it for what it is, and try to see how it works in the greater scheme of things then you wind up like a misogynist who cannot accept a woman’s vast psychological differences as being valid on their own level, natural yes, but they contradict all of his ideas of virtue and right. The times he’s been wounded by women, he refuses to accept them s what they are and condemns them for not being him.

    And a misandrist who does the same with man, who as Feminitx only half-jokingly asserts, sees the male nature as evil in itself. Someone who has been wounded by men and have an idea of virtue based on female norms and so condemns man for not conforming to it.

    Then there is the extreme of misandrist who also secretly is a misogynist, like Simone de Beauvoir who so hated femininity that liberation to her was essentially becoming a man, and erasing the female nature. This, then, is the ultimate form of self hatred. Feminitix creeps in that direction, though doesn’t fall headlong into that abyss, and I have a feeling that the Biting Beaver herself has already tumbled into that pit. The second sex, some wish to erase.
    I love masculinity, even in its excesses, and femininity, even in its excesses. I seek balance and complementarities, though if others seek war with me, their imbalance usually dictates their own self defeat before they reach me:

    “like a swordfight
    You must think first, before you move
    Toad style is immensely strong, and immune to nearly any weapon
    When it’s properly used, it’s almost invincible”.

    “The flow, changes like a chameleon
    Plays like a friend, and stabs you like a dagger
    This technique attacks the immune system
    Disguised like a lie paralyzin the victim”

    And that my friends, is the mystery of chess boxing

    Both Misogynists and Misandrists alike are wounded and hurt creatures, though being a male my I’ve got to have sympathy for my brothers. Frankly it is my belief that both men and women have been setup in a vastly absurd system and systematically socially engineered in a way to make our mutual bonding almost impossible in the long term, leave us weak, angry, and bitter. Too bitter to love.
    Anyone with a copy of Bertrand Russell’s “Education and the Good Life” may want to peep what he says about social and political thinking and propaganda around page 289 or so.

    The diseased and hurt mind cannot see the path to its own liberation. I gave you Wu Tang, now I will give you the immortal words of the world’s absolutely worst Skate Rat band, Suicidal Tendencies:

    “And you’re the prisoner
    Your mind’s diseased, my mind is cured

    I was the prisoner but never again
    My worst enemy is now my friend
    Brainwashed, you’ll probably believe
    I gave it up for a new reprieve

    Free, why can’t you see how easily
    You could break those bars right down?
    New freedom found, travel around
    And find out exactly why

    Give it a try, living the lie
    And try to solve the final clue
    See if it’s true, found out just who
    The real enemy is you..

    You say you’re political
    I say screw that, you’re just a fool..”

    So, that’s it. Like, Word up.

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  1134. on May 25, 2009 at 10:19 pm Kamal S.

    Tupac, you’re making cool observations yourself. I’m learning some interesting things. And from Obsidian, Whiskey, hell. The whole lot ‘o you.

    Now, on to dinner.

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  1135. on May 25, 2009 at 10:22 pm chic noir

    Tupac Chopra – SecretSociety Agent Man
    Chic, you’ll get the pic

    oh boy if you didn’t send those pics then who did?

    default was that you 🙂 my honey bunny?

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  1136. on May 25, 2009 at 10:23 pm Arpagus

    Gunslingergregi

    A man can’t rape his wife. He has to sleep sometime. If she doesn’t kill him it wasn’t rape. There you go question answered.

    Very good point. But that does not stop women from getting men convicted for REPEATEDLY “raping” them while they quite voluntarily keep living with the man in our corrupt feminist justice systems.

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  1137. on May 25, 2009 at 10:25 pm nope

    I think Thursday is wrong with his view about caddish males getting away with a lot and the ‘collapse of civilization’. If it ever does come to that point you’ll see a beta-revolt. There is a hypothesis that machiavellian intelligence in humans arose from betas trying to outwit alphas. While many of you here would automatically think alpha trumps beta, the history of warfare ala sun tzu, would prove you wrong and that underhanded deviousness wins out over blatant machismo in a game with no rules. This is the situation at the moment: PUAs are social hackers that have found exploits in society and biology. Start taking those rules away completely, and your system will fall apart. This is why progressives dominate law and cultural areas: control the rules, control the game. Changing to a collapse environment won’t be the same; the social dynamic will be completely different even though the biology is the same. You would have to change the way you spit game. At the moment it is individualistic, in a collapse scenario there are no lone He-men, it is tribal and collective rule. Even though many of you have delusions of grandeur, I highly doubt that many of you are on par with Ghengis khan as someone that could go tomorrow and rile up 150 people to follow you into protecting your neighborhood kingdom, raiding other communities for women, and generally being a leader that doesn’t get overthrown by his underlings. Hint: highly individualistic and arrogant leaders of men get overthrown a lot in history. Good luck telling a collection of your underlings that they are ‘douchebags’ or ‘betas’. You’ll awake with just enough time to see your legs dangling in the air from a lamp post. The point being: you wouldn’t be able to continue the same behavior you have now in a collapse scenario. Could you adapt? Probably. Depends on the person.

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  1138. on May 25, 2009 at 10:26 pm Welmer

    too late for romance

    The exception proving the rule is Aoefe, who actually makes logical points and acknowledges the possibility that she might be missing some dynamics of male-female relations that those of us with dicks might catch and commend upon. But she is far too rational, at least so far, to be anything other than an outlier.

    You’re kidding, right?

    Aoefe shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near young men/boys. She is a female “psychologist” who works with young men. Does that say anything to you? She is absolutely the last woman you would want to have any contact whatsoever with your son.

    Let me give you guys a word of advice:

    If you are ever going through a divorce and the courts want you to go through the typical rigamorole, as soon as you see a young, female professional assigned to evaluate you for custody just say “forget it.” Female professionals are probably the most biased, awful people in the world as far as men are concerned. They have absolutely no guilt about destroying your life and rigging the system against you. Why would they, after all? They have gone through a decade or more of anti-male indoctrination, and have a superiority complex (so well displayed by the pedantess Aoefe) that gives them a righteous feeling about consigning men to a subhuman status.

    In fact, I will go so far as to say that Aoefe is absolute, worthless garbage, and socially parasitic to boot. Here she is bragging about her looks and acting the part of a little tramp while holding the whip hand over boys. How disgusting. Another Mary Kay Letourneau, as though we needed one…

    Probably the only woman I respect who comments here at this point is Bhetti, and that is because she is a thoughtful writer who has a degree of compassion, as evidenced by her blog. The rest, as far as I’m concerned, have nothing to offer.

    BTW, good job cleaning up the copy, Bhetti.

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  1139. on May 25, 2009 at 10:30 pm doug1

    Tupac–

    And Gunny, thanks for your service.

    He’s doing private computer contract work there. He’s not serving anyone but his pocket. (Which is ok, just not self sacrifice for the country, etc.)

    I’ve always been friendly towards him here until he started getting way jealous on several fronts (well way after that i was still friendly actually) and then actively attacking me / trying to embarrass me by sneaky fucker re: my online girl. (Because that’s entirely what motivated him.) Assholes of his variety should get shot. Maybe at some point by me.

    Look Tupac. If that wasn’t an attack video on me earlier, I apologize. I defy anyone to know that was obvious.

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  1140. on May 25, 2009 at 10:31 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Kamal:

    The sublime Miss Clio@

    Are you elbowing your way into my turf, K?

    Check yoself befo’ yo break youself.

    Chic:

    oh boy if you didn’t send those pics then who did?

    I sent no pics.

    Tupac shall remain an International Man of Mystery

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  1141. on May 25, 2009 at 10:34 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    nope:

    You are wise.

    Welmer:

    Agreed. Just Say ‘No’ to female “marriage counselors”. I’ve heard plenty of horror stories.

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  1142. on May 25, 2009 at 10:34 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Arpagus said:

    “Right now no woman wants to have sex with me. I am also broke.”

    Dude, you need to reframe your reality.

    First of all, I’ve seen your pic on your blog and you’re not a bad looking guy. Second, the culture has changed — guys with no money are the object of affection, not derision, for women who have grown up trying to have it all. The problem is you have to play that lack of money like the bad boys do, which you’re probably intellectually above.

    Finally: the days of Yahoo messenger being a pickup joint are long gone, since Yahoo fucked with everyone’s profiles (without notice). Back in the day you could just find women online who wanted attention and meet them almost instantly. But there is always Craig’s List these days.

    I’m not sure what’s going on there in Norway, but it’s not that hard here in the USA.

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  1143. on May 25, 2009 at 10:36 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Doug:

    Look Tupac. If that wasn’t an attack video on me earlier, I apologize. I defy anyone to know that was obvious.

    Agreed. I could have been more specific in my humor. I tend to assume too much.

    I will forgive all if you send me pics of Bhetti.

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  1144. on May 25, 2009 at 10:37 pm chic noir

    doba arpagus isn’t an american.

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  1145. on May 25, 2009 at 10:37 pm chic noir

    never mind

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  1146. on May 25, 2009 at 10:40 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Welmer:

    Probably the only woman I respect who comments here at this point is Bhetti, and that is because she is a thoughtful writer who has a degree of compassion, as evidenced by her blog. The rest, as far as I’m concerned, have nothing to offer.

    Clio????

    Hello?

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  1147. on May 25, 2009 at 10:41 pm aoefe

    @lurker

    I agree with you, in fact I’ll admit it, I have rape fantasies. In fact gasp I’m not the only one! I risk offending Welmer who thinks I’m making a show of learning but here’s a quote.

    “According to an analysis of relevant studies published last year in The Journal of Sex Research, an analysis that defines rape as involving “the use of physical force, threat of force, or incapacitation through, for example, sleep or intoxication, to coerce a woman into sexual activity against her will,” between one-third and more than one-half of women have entertained such fantasies, often during intercourse, with at least 1 in 10 women fantasizing about sexual assault at least once per month in a pleasurable way.”

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  1148. on May 25, 2009 at 10:46 pm chic noir

    @tupac- I don’t think welmer wrote that comment.

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  1149. on May 25, 2009 at 10:46 pm Kamal S.

    Ok, one last thing

    “You all can be lead by the dick. Dont even pretend otherwise. We, girls, have you by the ball. And you know what? WE can crush it anytime.”

    BB, I shall refrain from calling you Ms. Myopia. Though this rubric does alliterate, and pleases me greatly.

    The corollary to what you just said is that all women can be led by the pussy. And indeed can be crushed at any time. The game works both ways, though I suspect that such tragic crushing tends to result in rhetoric as displayed above.

    I have a few lesbian close friends, and a number of people in my broader social circle are lesbians. I have also dated (briefly anyway) a couple of lesbians, and had one long term relationship with a girl who was a self professed queer. Traditional Smith lesbian for years, then bisexual. Some of her friends are out of the closet lesbians. I got to observe, listen to, and hear about, more than a bit of lesbian drama.

    Guess what. The power dynamics between girls who are top and dominant, and girls who are more submissive, are often very similar to the power dynamics of male relationships. Except their drama can get far more ludicrous than politically correct to admit. If anyone thinks men rack up notches, well… many lesbian girls do as well. And some have very good game.

    Every woman, gay or straight, can be led by the pussy, just as every man, gay and straight, can be led by his dick.

    And why not? In a relationship there can be and should be a voluntary exchange of power, one person is dominant and the other surrenders. This is the essence of erotic tension. Don’t like it? Well remove your self from the planet, if you don’t like human nature because you bloody well can’t change it. The choice to crush or not to crush your partner is morality and decency. If someone puts their tender soft beating heart, or loins, in your hand, they are vulnerable. They have surrendered part of their soul to you.

    The right thing to do is to honor their surrender with pleasure, protecting, cherishing.
    The wrong thing to do is to crush them, destroy them.

    The first, the response of a healthy minded lusty person, the second, the response of a sick, deranged, damaged, and wounded person. Or one hell bent on vengeance and hate.

    Someone who cannot surrender cannot experience certain depths of sensuality and eroticism, beyond a rather shallow though sometimes physically intense self masturbation (even with others it is essentially masturbation). And this is such a shame, because the depths of passion, of delight, of desire, of pleasure, that they could feel if they just opened their hearts at the same time they opened their legs, if they would just allow themselves permission to surrender.
    Being open, truly open, can hurt. It can hurt badly. Our bodies close with fear, we shrink into ourselves, lower our heads, cross our arms. A woman’s very sex tightens and grows dry. Fear and hurt draws us into a shell.
    But to be open, this is such a wonderful thing.

    Some people live their whole lives and die never knowing the joy of true abandonment. In truth, it is a mutual surrender to each other, as a complementary pair. Why the hell did nature design a cunt to fit a cock so well? To throb, a cervix to dip downwards and literally open up when a woman comes? The entirety of a woman’s nature opens when she surrenders. This is nature’s way, and Nature is far more intelligent than humanity.

    A man’s heart opens to his lover as her heart opens to his. This mutual exchange of power, a mutual vulnerability, a mutual ravishing, a through fucking, is far more profound than bitter power politics. And a paranoid worldview based on a selective view of history.

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  1150. on May 25, 2009 at 10:51 pm aoefe

    @Welmer

    “Aoefe shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near young men/boys. She is a female “psychologist” who works with young men.”

    I did not say I was a psychologist, I said I work in the field. I do oversee them from a business perspective however. I have hit a nerve with you and find it interesting to say the least. And I have to agree with you me mentioning my looks was not relevant to any discussion. Good point. (I believe this admission will piss you off but believe it or NOT, it isn’t my intention).

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  1151. on May 25, 2009 at 10:51 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Kamal, I love your writing.

    I wonder if Clio has rape fantasies?

    Clio?

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  1152. on May 25, 2009 at 10:51 pm Welmer

    Tupac Chopra – SecretSociety Agent Man

    Welmer:

    Probably the only woman I respect who comments here at this point is Bhetti, and that is because she is a thoughtful writer who has a degree of compassion, as evidenced by her blog. The rest, as far as I’m concerned, have nothing to offer.

    Clio????

    Hello?

    Shoot me for saying this, but Clio’s just so correct that I hardly notice what she says. She’s agreeable, sensible, and ultimately always makes the right call. It’s like listening to myself in my more lucid moments.

    So yes, Clio obviously has something to offer, but she’s far from a lost sheep, so it’s easy to overlook her good sense, even if that is a rare thing these days.

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  1153. on May 25, 2009 at 10:52 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Doug:

    He’s doing private computer contract work there. He’s not serving anyone but his pocket.

    …the fuck?

    That’s it…I’m banging his bitch the first chance I get.

    I gots my 9.

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  1154. on May 25, 2009 at 10:54 pm PA

    Gunner was in the Army prior to his present civilian contract work, though I don’t know if he was in Iraq while in the service.

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  1155. on May 25, 2009 at 10:54 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    So yes, Clio obviously has something to offer, but she’s far from a lost sheep, so it’s easy to overlook her good sense, even if that is a rare thing these days.

    I wish people…*coughDougcough*…would understand my schtick.

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  1156. on May 25, 2009 at 10:54 pm Welmer

    chic noir

    @tupac- I don’t think welmer wrote that comment.

    Yes, I did chic. It was hyperbole. You, too, have something to offer, as does LILGRL. Any woman who has her own blog and expresses herself honestly has something to offer. It is the sneaky ones who come in under the radar like stealth bombers that get me pissed off.

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  1157. on May 25, 2009 at 10:58 pm chic noir

    okay welmer. with all the excitment that BB gave us tonight 🙂 , I was thinking we had another imposter.

    You, too, have something to offer, as does LILGRL
    thank you sir.

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  1158. on May 25, 2009 at 11:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””doug He’s doing private computer contract work there. He’s not serving anyone but his pocket. (Which is ok, just not self sacrifice for the country, etc.)”””””””””””

    Your grasping at straws to find something anything. Maybe try going through some past threads for motivations. This isn’t my first war.

    “””””doug
    Assholes of his variety should get shot. Maybe at some point by me.””””””””””””””‘

    I have no problem with providing satisfaction sir
    we can duel i will show up.

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  1159. on May 25, 2009 at 11:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Tupac you sob.

    Look only one duel at a time.

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  1160. on May 25, 2009 at 11:03 pm PA

    This isn’t my first war.

    Alpha comment of the thread.

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  1161. on May 25, 2009 at 11:03 pm aoefe

    @Welmer

    They have gone through a decade or more of anti-male indoctrination, and have a superiority complex (so well displayed by the pedantess Aoefe) that gives them a righteous feeling about consigning men to a subhuman status.

    If you are reading any of that into the words I’ve written then you are seriously misunderstanding me. I have never thought my self superior to men or women. The statement does allow me to get your anger towards me though. I likely come across cold and calculating to you. In fact I sit her blushing with embarrassment to be perceived that way. Honest truth.

    I deliberately held back in commenting until I got a sense of what people were saying here, believed if I came across angry or bitter (which I am not) I’d be dismissed. My lack of passion has been taken for snottier than thou to you. You have your opinion, and a right to it, I can refute it as is my right.

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  1162. on May 25, 2009 at 11:05 pm Round of Applause

    Ok guys show’s over, everybody offline. Kamal carries the day, he’s got them all dripping wet. YEs that’s including her and her and her and her and her, them all.

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  1163. on May 25, 2009 at 11:09 pm Kamal S.

    Arpagus@
    I approve the message above.

    There is something psychologically subtle in the heads of many guys my generation, and that is the whole money and resources block.

    You aren’t physically a bad looking guy at all, in fact, most of the girls I know would find you rather cute. As for being broke, dirty Hipster scum who survive by raiding recycling bins and hocking the metals, and occasional DJ gigs at obscure clubs, get laid like rabbits where I live. By some fairly attractive women. Granted, they are “artists” but they are broke, like yourself, and unlike you, these guys do not bathe.

    You look well bathed, so you have a one up on them.
    I lack knowledge about Norwey, but I suspect some similarities with American culture.

    The thing about not having money, and I have experienced this, is that a woman who is in love will rationalize even this away. If you are working on yourself, trying to move up to something.

    The biggest player I know locally until recently lived on the first floor of his dad’s house, and plays guitar on the streets. He is a damn good guitarist, in fact I haven’t heard anyone in his genre play as good as he. But he’s still broke, and chicks still dig him. Now as for the type of women? Really, it would surprise you.

    It’s the war inside of a man’s heart and mind that matters.

    The best thing to do is to cultivate a contempt for materialism, and just frame it as if you are above it all. And play up your strengths. Be bold, but intelligently bold. And cultivate a slight smirk – I can tell reading you that you have a sarcastic side, so maybe you can work that. And if you can figure out a way to make more money on the side, creatively, then do that.

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  1164. on May 25, 2009 at 11:09 pm chic noir

    Yes kamal is a very talented writer. kamal is who DA would/could be when/if he “alphas” up.

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  1165. on May 25, 2009 at 11:22 pm doug1

    Tupac–

    I wish people…*coughDougcough*…would understand my schtick.

    I actually think I do.

    I was coloring the downside, given my perception that the vid you posted was nasty attack re me, since disclaimed.

    My balance re it is different.

    Distinctions I think you know about.

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  1166. on May 25, 2009 at 11:31 pm doug1

    Welmer–

    Aoefe shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near young men/boys. She is a female “psychologist” who works with young men. Does that say anything to you? She is absolutely the last woman you would want to have any contact whatsoever with your son.

    I appreciate the appreciative words you’ve had for Bhetti. Really I do.

    But this is so wrong Welmer. It’s coming from such a bitter place. You really are bitter. I’m sorry, I know that’s an incredibly overused feminist and divorce law establishment word and I’ve had it hurled at me some to. Any man with some experience on him has. But in your case, it’s true. I’m not damning you, now that a week ago or two you shared some of what you’ve gone through, but I’m saying you need to rebuild, and become more hopeful. Few women may be pedestal worthy, but some are way better than others, re: what you’re worried about.

    I should say I think, but the truth is I know, that I’ve become pretty damn good at reading women. Aeofe isn’t remotely close to what you’re saying or fear.

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  1167. on May 25, 2009 at 11:36 pm Biting Beaver

    Hey, BHETTI,

    If Doug1 rape you, will you still profess your love for him?

    *i noticed that Doug1 avoided answering the question: have you ever thought of raping Bhetti.*

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  1168. on May 25, 2009 at 11:41 pm Biting Beaver

    PA
    “Hey Toothy Mzz. Beaver, what would you do if you and some guy were making out and he said “suck me, ho” ?

    I WILL PUNCH HIM IN THE NUTS.

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  1169. on May 25, 2009 at 11:46 pm aoefe

    @doug @too late for romance

    Thanks

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  1170. on May 25, 2009 at 11:46 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    My little schnookums:

    *i noticed that Doug1 avoided answering the question: have you ever thought of raping Bhetti.*

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/three-macbooks/#comment-78404

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  1171. on May 25, 2009 at 11:47 pm doug1

    Aeofe–

    They have gone through a decade or more of anti-male indoctrination, and have a superiority complex (so well displayed by the pedantess Aoefe) that gives them a righteous feeling about consigning men to a subhuman status.

    If you are reading any of that into the words I’ve written then you are seriously misunderstanding me. I have never thought my self superior to men or women. The statement does allow me to get your anger towards me though. I likely come across cold and calculating to you. In fact I sit her blushing with embarrassment to be perceived that way. Honest truth.

    Again, you are a delight.

    Try not to hate Welmer. He’s been very hurt. His ex wife has been doing everything possible including massive lying and fabrication to keep him from seeing his kids, despite the fact that she cheated and wouldn’t stop, on his high earning self. And she’s favored in family / divorce court up the yin yang.

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  1172. on May 25, 2009 at 11:57 pm Biting Beaver

    damn, tupac chopra.

    You almost make me faint.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/three-macbooks/#comment-78404

    Get thee behind me, satan!

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  1173. on May 25, 2009 at 11:58 pm aoefe

    @doug

    I know that if Welmer and I talked and I shared my own experiences he’d actually have respect for me, that I do know. I have no hate, just surprise. Although I’ll admit I was a little rude to him after he accused me of something in his first post to me. Probably opened the door wide.

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  1174. on May 26, 2009 at 12:01 am Kamal S.

    Well perhaps doug1 isn’t avoiding the question, perhaps rather he just finds it to be rather bad form and beneath his contempt to even dignify with a response.

    Possibly maybe. Hell I know I would, as a matter of principle, refuse to answer it except with a well chosen snide comment because its a fucking rude and contemptable question to even ask.

    I mean, what are you. Jealous of her?

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  1175. on May 26, 2009 at 12:02 am Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    My Little Precious:

    damn, tupac chopra.

    You almost make me faint.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/three-macbooks/#comment-78404

    Get thee behind me, satan!

    You know you want it.

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  1176. on May 26, 2009 at 12:03 am David Alexander

    Yet you continue to engage yourself in this forum, a place that clearly upsets you. May I ask please, what’s up with that?

    This blog can be depressing at times, but it’s still fun to visit and read some of the comments and reply back. It doesn’t upset me, but it simply reconfirms and supports varying theories along the lines of “girls don’t/shouldn’t like me”. In contrast, Steve Sailor and Inductivist are just crushing to one’s viewpoint of themselves in a racial context, and their comments section can destroy one’s faith in the future.

    The psychological weight of a black man acting out rape fantasies with a pale red head really, really, fucked with my head. I didn’t want any part of that scenario.

    I must admit, it would haunt me if I was in a similar position. For some of us, we want to avoid that connection with the “evil” black guy that haunts the mind as the criminal or sexual predator.

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  1177. on May 26, 2009 at 12:03 am Welmer

    on his high earning self. And she’s favored in family / divorce court up the yin yang.

    Not high earning anymore. I got my sister in law a job with my main client, which was a very stupid idea. Both turned on me during the divorce, of course.

    After lawyer’s bills, judgments, etc., I’m pretty much broke (just settled two months ago). I feel lucky to have work at all, not to mention being alive, not being in jail, having access to my children, etc., after all the allegations.

    If my ex had her way I would have been machine-gunned by the SWAT team she sent after me — yes they did come with machine guns. Of course, she never faced any consequences for making a false 911 call (she even admitted it was false under questioning). None at all.

    Women can get away with so much these days that it absolutely will blow a guy out of the water.

    Women like Aoefe have no idea how badly they are fucking men over in their capacity as social workers. Or maybe they do, and they just get off on it. Either way, guys would be fools to ever trust them.

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  1178. on May 26, 2009 at 12:06 am doug1

    greg asshole

    Why on earth should I duel you?

    I’ve won massively. You’ve epically failed.

    Could there be a girl’s more devoted missive? Or more dismissive of you? I was in truth moved. I knew my girl would do good by me, but that? Wow.

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  1179. on May 26, 2009 at 12:07 am Biting Beaver

    On mr. Welmer,

    I just think he deserves everything that happened to him, that brute!

    His wife probably cheated on him because of his small dick.

    Everybody stop kissing his stupid, sorry, sexual incompetent ass.

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  1180. on May 26, 2009 at 12:07 am maurice

    am checking in on the drama at teh end of the long weekend – coupla thoughts:

    — BB is fake, someone (maybe roissy, maybe not) to rile up the regulars.

    — Lady rain is way better and cooler than i originally thought. happy to admit my error.

    — DA took some testosterone pills! for a few posts anyway. I like the new you … keep it coming.

    @welmer – i have to agree with doug here – i too went through a horrendous divorce/custody experience a number of years ago but eventually made my peace with the raw deal i got, made the best of it, and was able to move on. don’t let it color everything you do.

    @gunny – how much longer will you be in iraq?

    too much else to comment upon …

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  1181. on May 26, 2009 at 12:11 am Biting Beaver

    Tupac Chopra,

    i just read it again…for the third time…that was…very…um… vivid. *panting for air*.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/three-macbooks/#comment-78404

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  1182. on May 26, 2009 at 12:14 am Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    My snuggleupagus:

    On mr. Welmer,

    I just think he deserves everything that happened to him, that brute!

    His wife probably cheated on him because of his small dick.

    I want to put my evil inside of you.

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  1183. on May 26, 2009 at 12:14 am Bhetti

    That BB thing cannot be anything other than a satire. Please, someone tell me that’s what it is. Unreal.

    Kamal: Your description of Arab women rang true for a lot of the specimens I’ve seen, which’re so tragically innocent in some ways. Westerners meeting one such specimen thought: ‘I can’t believe she’s single.’ I can’t, either. These women consistently make me feel like a little girl.

    I will wait patiently for the book because it’s going to be worth it (hey, no pressure!) and will print it out because I have trouble reading book-length works on the PC but I don’t want to miss it or put it off.

    A thought on you/aoefe’s one bit of language: ‘admit’ and fantasies seems awful journalist speak for them, implying a criminality or sinfulness about them or talking about them. Expressing them is wonderful, I think, which shouldn’t be associated that way. There is nothing unnatural about them, is there? Is it just language conventions or underlying beliefs about this making you use that word?

    Welmer: Thank you. I’m glad there seems to be have been improvement.

    Compassion is a quality that really matters to me, and I have a constant fear I may be losing it or misdirecting it. You seeing that in me is something quite special.

    Doug: Let me just say this piece of song to you and the rest, trouble (ironic, considering who holds the nickname). I am amazed at what witnessing actual testosterone in action looks like, and even more amazed at havoc over me. Heavy guilt-inspiring, but since we’re all conversant with the primitive level here, we all know what other feelings are occuring.

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  1184. on May 26, 2009 at 12:22 am aoefe

    @Welmer

    I don’t work for the government which in my country (not American) Social Worker’s work for. Therefore not a SW. I think there are major injustices in custody cases, many against fathers. You got a raw deal I’m sure. But I know I have not in my working capacity EVER fucked anyone over. Don’t assume. You know what they say about that right? ASS-U-ME.

    I’m not meaning to be arrogant, but truthfully I believe choices I’ve made as a woman would surprise you and please you. And THAT is not a flirt.

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  1185. on May 26, 2009 at 12:23 am Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Bhetti:

    That BB thing cannot be anything other than a satire. Please, someone tell me that’s what it is. Unreal.

    She’s just coming to terms with her femininity. Be kind.

    Can I get your pics? Can I? Can I?

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  1186. on May 26, 2009 at 12:27 am Bhetti

    Depriving Welmer of his good bit of fighting with all this ‘don’t hate the man’? He already has a good supply of IRL hugs.

    He’s spoiling for a fight, and it has to be a woman. He certainly knows what he’s provoking… and hinted at enjoying it.

    Maybe I’m reading it wrong.

    Tupac: ‘the horror!!’ approach is much more effective and true to you? This is why the beta humour is all so ‘wait, what? *rechecks who said it*’ Did you give DA some of your mojo?

    You know what I’m going to say. I don’t even know why he’s showing me off. DOES HE WANT THEM TO HAVE ME?! *suffers self-doubt* Doug, can you please just… wait, who was I talking to?

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  1187. on May 26, 2009 at 12:28 am aoefe

    @Bhetti

    I only used the word admit because there weren’t many confessions posted, not because I believe its sinful or weird. If I’d felt shame I would not have posted it all. Very good point though on the use of language thanks.

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  1188. on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 am Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Bhetti:

    You know what I’m going to say. I don’t even know why he’s showing me off. DOES HE WANT THEM TO HAVE ME?! *suffers self-doubt* Doug, can you please just… wait, who was I talking to?

    Doug who? Come here Bhetti, I have many sights to show you…

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  1189. on May 26, 2009 at 12:34 am Bhetti

    Tupac: That’s better. Hope lives that Clio will have you some day.

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  1190. on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 am Biting Beaver

    Bhetti…i dont want to calling you “Ugly Bhetti”……

    A pic of your face doesnt say anything about the rest of your body…besides, if you are arab…there is a solid chance you are overweight. It is arab women genetic/diet. Just take a look at your mom.

    So, please, dont insult me and praise the men at my expense.

    They are the enemy.

    Default EVILDOER.

    Please, give me a few minutes to collect myself…..

    KAMAL,

    You writings are too long…it is *almost* like mind rape.

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  1191. on May 26, 2009 at 12:42 am Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Tupac: That’s better. Hope lives that Clio will have you some day.

    A trifling indulgence of mine.

    Now…about those pics…

    Err…I meant to say I am interested in learning more about your culture and ways. I wish to be educated regarding your heritage…

    …jpeg?

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  1192. on May 26, 2009 at 12:44 am Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    You writings are too long…it is *almost* like mind rape.

    LOL!

    Literal or metaphorical…

    LOL!

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  1193. on May 26, 2009 at 12:44 am Days of Broken Arrows

    “Tupac: That’s better. Hope lives that Clio will have you some day.”

    Yes, but where is Hope? Clio returnd but he hold out Hope for Hope.

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  1194. on May 26, 2009 at 12:51 am Bhetti

    BB:
    LOL, FINALLY! The Ugly Betty joke on here! From the most unexpected of corners, a woman.

    I’m praising your satirical brilliance, silly. It’s a wonder to behold. My brain cells’re immolated by the sheer force of it as we speak.

    On the low chance that you are serious, you’re being an insensitive and very personal bitch. To both genders. Go, become a person who actually wants to make a point and be sensitive about the personal ones and how to ask about them, then come back.

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  1195. on May 26, 2009 at 12:52 am Biting Beaver

    Tupac Chopra,

    I need to get a way, far away from you. literally.

    you are unseemly vile,
    uncommon incubus,
    you are sexually toxic.

    Bye.

    Last post. C’est la vie.

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  1196. on May 26, 2009 at 12:54 am Bhetti

    Tupac, try A History of the Arab Peoples by Albert Hourani for starters.

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  1197. on May 26, 2009 at 1:02 am Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    My sugarplum:

    Tupac Chopra,

    I need to get a way, far away from you. literally.

    you are unseemly vile,
    uncommon incubus,
    you are sexually toxic.

    My throbbing member awaits your return.

    Bhetti:

    Tupac, try A History of the Arab Peoples by Albert Hourani for starters.

    Yawn. I wanna see some titties.

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  1198. on May 26, 2009 at 1:11 am whiskey

    Lady Rain —

    Let me be clear. In the age of abortion on demand, and cheap and easy and EFFECTIVE contraception including the morning after pill (I once winced when at the drugstore, a fifteen year old looking hispanic girl with her mother proudly enquired about the morning after pill), your choice of father for your son was indeed, a deliberate choice.

    It could not have been a “Mistake.” The choice of father for one’s child(ren) are THE most important ones a woman can make. It’s not a “mistake” like buying a lemon car. Or the wrong cookies off the grocery store shelf. It’s fundamental in women’s choices. How could it be otherwise? “Who will be the father of my child(ren)?” is the fundamental question girls ask themselves around 14 or so. [Boys mature later, the question of who will be the mother of their children occurs far later. This is why, generally women prefer slighly older men, 6-11 years older.]

    If you didn’t want the guy as the father for you kid, you would have used the pill. Insisted he use a condom. Used the morning after pill, or had an abortion.

    That you did NOT suggests you actively chose this man for fathering your child, knowing well who and what he was (if you were honest, his hitting you came as no surprise, given his aggressive nature and tattoos and so on).

    This is JUST LIKE the Welfare Patients … and NURSES (professional and middle class like yourself) who actively chose men as sex partners and fathers, who had tattoos exclaiming “F— Off!” and scars from frequent fighting and prison tattoos, that Dalyrmple describes in “Life at the Bottom.”

    [This is a constant theme of mine, so you’ll excuse me for citing your own experience here as evidence. That women with their own income will choose bad boys to various degrees almost without exception, and therefore your father’s nuclear family is dead, DEAD, DEAD.]

    You after all made a deliberate choice of fatherhood for your son, and status (you did not choose to marry and then have kids, having total control over your own reproductive choices).

    I can only conclude that the sex and the choice of man appealed to you more than a stable, two parent family, the advantages of which are abundant and well known to you.

    As for figuring me out, I would suggest the Dashiell Hammett Short Story, “the Big Knockover,” where the eponymous “Continental Op” makes an offer of short jail time to a young, small time hood, over the promise of sex and love and loot by the hot young female criminal. The Op notes (Hammett was a Pinkerton real life P.I. for years, chasing crooks, and knew what he was about) that an older man would have thanked him for the offer and taken it, the younger gets shot for his trouble. As does the girl. Moral: older guys (past 35) just don’t get impressed by a woman’s beauty. They’ve seen it before, have diminished expectations, and know in any case beauty does not last long.

    By your own admission, you have a bunch of “platonic friends” i.e. guys on a string, around, that your son likes. You also have guys around, younger, aggressive, and tattooed, by your own admission, in your love life, and believe me, your kid knows the broad outlines if not the particulars, even if the guys are not around the house. How else could it be? You are the sole focus of his universe, the central point about which all else orbits. Of course he knows. He’ll know even more when he’s older. He knows nice guys finish last, and bad boys always win. Even if he only knows the broad outlines, he knows this. You are the most important person in his life.

    As for Myspace, you know that even if you delete the profile, it lives on in Internet Wayback Machine and other archives, right? The statement “your son will just have to get used to your sense of humor” etc. puts self expression/etc. > son getting teased at school. It’s a question of priorities.

    And I would note that yourself (self expression > son getting teased/fights at school), i.e. mild, and Biting Beaver, who according to others (I don’t know if this is true) talked of castrating or killing her teen age son for fear of him becoming a rapist (for the “crime” of ogling girls) are indicative of the failure of “classic motherhood” which is basically adult sacrifice for sake of the children (also classic fatherhood, but that’s another issue).

    The general core of being an adult is considered sacrifice on behalf of one’s children. Of putting kids first ahead of adult desires and pleasure. At the worst your son will be teased and get into fights over your MySpace profile. Kids being incredibly cruel (trust me, I was once one of them).

    While I don’t think you are a bad person, I do see the view/attitude of “broader society and my parents will take care of it, along with my kid just sucking it up” regarding child care and situations. A mild case, to be sure, but there it is. My own suggestion would be to delete the profile and hope no one finds it. MySpace has many uses, I am personally appalled by the exhibitionism therein on a general basis.

    Biting Beaver is (if the allegations are true, I am too lazy to check it out) is far worse. That a mother would consider that out of ideology (murder or castration of her son) for the crime of liking girls (one feminist longed to “make her son gay”) speaks volumes on how little kids count.

    I have issues with SWPL Yuppies. But the love (genuine) and sacrifice for their children is not one of them. In that measure they are true adults.

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  1199. on May 26, 2009 at 1:27 am Lady Rain

    Maurice–

    Thank you! I appreciate a sincere compliment!

    As for the fake BB: As I first stated when you posted and when I left and just read through here…. if you are a woman than I am a magical unicorn that shoots acid out of her hooves and has x-vision.

    Outside of the first rant about “sex-revenge” …. that clearly was not written in a woman’s “writing form” with the words you speak and the tone you use. (Especially coming from a frightened, defeated woman like the BB I see in the blog she writes)

    Her brand of revenge would be more passive-aggressive and she would not WANT you to think sexy thoughts about her,…. therefore she wouldn’t be nearly so verbally graphic and chances are she uses creepy euphemisms for “penis” whenever she can.

    Although your writings are great, you are NOT my good sir…. the Biting Beaver. I also like “Venus Fly Trap” and “Island of the Harpies” for your handle I mean

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  1200. on May 26, 2009 at 1:40 am Cannon's Canon

    I’m still surprised that this isn’t Royce 5’9 on the first track!

    Revelations of my purported insanity hold less and less weight with me. The people that I choose to include as an active part of my life meet selective criteria of exponential scrutiny. I have lately had trouble differentiating between genuine self-expression and socially unacceptable SWPL dissent. My conscious does not recognize such a gap.

    Roissy has helped my self-awareness but impaired my social capacity. The “Matrix” ‘pill’ is a great analogy. I would not cite his influence if I am ever caught for any of the capital crimes I might someday hypothetically commit.

    For the record, I don’t include “rape” amongst the power-driven fantasies of my would-be crimes… neither did Patrick Bateman.

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  1201. on May 26, 2009 at 1:58 am Kamal S.

    Welmer@
    One word “expat” sometimes a man has to just burn his bridges, if you have marketable skills in demand overseas as a consultant, or have enough still stashed away to make a move, why not find someplace that has a low cost of living, some sun, and just split? Maybe write a book, see if you can get an advance, and relocate overseas. Write a long letter to your children explaining what happened, mail out multiple copies to close relatives loyal to you and instruct them to give them to your children on their 16th birthdays. Explain what happened to you, how their mother destroyed you. And then, find greener pastures.

    BeaverBiter.

    Don’t think of it as mind rape, rather just relax, and let the words slowly penetrate. Let them sink in … deeply

    Of to the late night cafe. Ciao !

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  1202. on May 26, 2009 at 2:23 am Cannon's Canon

    It is frustrating to confess my inconsistencies to the internet world and then have my ‘comment’ get snagged in moderation. I resolve to publish more on my own blog. I must lower my lofty standards for self-publishing.

    In the words of a wise man, “Kiss my ass, and suck my dick, everyone.” – Kenny Powers

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  1203. on May 26, 2009 at 7:49 am Comment_Whatever

    Round of Applause said:

    Ok guys show’s over, everybody offline. Kamal carries the day, he’s got them all dripping wet. YEs that’s including her and her and her and her and her, them all.

    Kamal S. said:

    Someone who cannot surrender cannot experience certain depths of sensuality and eroticism, beyond a rather shallow though sometimes physically intense self masturbation (even with others it is essentially masturbation). And this is such a shame, because the depths of passion, of delight, of desire, of pleasure, that they could feel if they just opened their hearts at the same time they opened their legs, if they would just allow themselves permission to surrender.
    Being open, truly open, can hurt. It can hurt badly. Our bodies close with fear, we shrink into ourselves, lower our heads, cross our arms. A woman’s very sex tightens and grows dry. Fear and hurt draws us into a shell.
    But to be open, this is such a wonderful thing.

    Some people live their whole lives and die never knowing the joy of true abandonment. In truth, it is a mutual surrender to each other, as a complementary pair. Why the hell did nature design a cunt to fit a cock so well? To throb, a cervix to dip downwards and literally open up when a woman comes? The entirety of a woman’s nature opens when she surrenders. This is nature’s way, and Nature is far more intelligent than humanity.

    A man’s heart opens to his lover as her heart opens to his. This mutual exchange of power, a mutual vulnerability, a mutual ravishing, a through fucking, is far more profound than bitter power politics. And a paranoid worldview based on a selective view of history.

    End Kamal.

    Oddly, in Kamal’s May 25 blog post he divides people into Masters and Slaves.

    Kamal’s ‘first woman’ with her cats and lonely next few decades. All the single mothers Kamal slept with. Think they are they turning out good? How are their kids turning out? Lady Rain and her kid are going to turn out great to, I’m sure.

    Then again, it’s all about, as Round of Applause said, RESULTS. Getting those panties off. What happens afterwards?

    Kamal said:


    One word “expat” sometimes a man has to just burn his bridges, if you have marketable skills in demand overseas as a consultant, or have enough still stashed away to make a move, why not find someplace that has a low cost of living, some sun, and just split? Maybe write a book, see if you can get an advance, and relocate overseas. Write a long letter to your children explaining what happened, mail out multiple copies to close relatives loyal to you and instruct them to give them to your children on their 16th birthdays. Explain what happened to you, how their mother destroyed you. And then, find greener pastures.

    End Kamal

    Did you wonder about the big deal I made about single mothers? After all, Kamal isn’t like THAT. He is Chivalrous and Gentlemanly. Well…. except for where his own helpless flesh and blood are concerned.

    I’d trust him for a second, maybe even longer, but only if I was armed.

    But he does talk pretty, doesn’t he? Very pretty talk.

    Without warning, without qualification, without anything to worry or trouble the woman. RESULTS are, after all, what matters. For him, that is. Not you. You thought it was about you?

    That’s only when the man actually cares for the woman. Cart. Horse. Gunny, oddly enough, is a good example of this. I’m sure his wife is going to be one happy camper soon enough. Probably for an extended period of time given their eight months apart.

    Then we have Kamal. Kamal’s web page says he has learned to ‘love’ the Kali-Yuga, the darkest age of Hindu mythology. Maybe this is supposed to make him a ‘dark bad boy’?

    Kamal is ‘chivalrous’, except when advocating abandoning one’s own children. He is, I’m sure, even more ‘faithful’ to the women who ‘surrender’ themselves to him. Easy and swift is Kamal with Lies, Lies, Pretty Little Lies.

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  1204. on May 26, 2009 at 7:56 am Comment_Whatever

    Stupid italics. Let’s see if this posts right:

    Round of Applause said:

    Ok guys show’s over, everybody offline. Kamal carries the day, he’s got them all dripping wet. YEs that’s including her and her and her and her and her, them all.

    Kamal S. said:

    Someone who cannot surrender cannot experience certain depths of sensuality and eroticism, beyond a rather shallow though sometimes physically intense self masturbation (even with others it is essentially masturbation). And this is such a shame, because the depths of passion, of delight, of desire, of pleasure, that they could feel if they just opened their hearts at the same time they opened their legs, if they would just allow themselves permission to surrender.
    Being open, truly open, can hurt. It can hurt badly. Our bodies close with fear, we shrink into ourselves, lower our heads, cross our arms. A woman’s very sex tightens and grows dry. Fear and hurt draws us into a shell.
    But to be open, this is such a wonderful thing.

    Some people live their whole lives and die never knowing the joy of true abandonment. In truth, it is a mutual surrender to each other, as a complementary pair. Why the hell did nature design a cunt to fit a cock so well? To throb, a cervix to dip downwards and literally open up when a woman comes? The entirety of a woman’s nature opens when she surrenders. This is nature’s way, and Nature is far more intelligent than humanity.

    A man’s heart opens to his lover as her heart opens to his. This mutual exchange of power, a mutual vulnerability, a mutual ravishing, a through fucking, is far more profound than bitter power politics. And a paranoid worldview based on a selective view of history.

    End Kamal.

    Oddly, in Kamal’s May 25 blog post he divides people into Masters and Slaves.

    Kamal’s ‘first woman’ with her cats and lonely next few decades. All the single mothers Kamal slept with. Think they are they turning out good? How are their kids turning out? Lady Rain and her kid are going to turn out great to, I’m sure.

    Then again, it’s all about, as Round of Applause said, RESULTS. Getting those panties off. What happens afterwards?

    Kamal said:

    One word “expat” sometimes a man has to just burn his bridges, if you have marketable skills in demand overseas as a consultant, or have enough still stashed away to make a move, why not find someplace that has a low cost of living, some sun, and just split? Maybe write a book, see if you can get an advance, and relocate overseas. Write a long letter to your children explaining what happened, mail out multiple copies to close relatives loyal to you and instruct them to give them to your children on their 16th birthdays. Explain what happened to you, how their mother destroyed you. And then, find greener pastures.

    End Kamal

    Did you wonder about the big deal I made about single mothers? After all, Kamal isn’t like THAT. He is Chivalrous and Gentlemanly. Well…. except for where his own helpless flesh and blood are concerned.

    I’d trust him for a second, maybe even longer, but only if I was armed.

    But he does talk pretty, doesn’t he? Very pretty talk.

    Without warning, without qualification, without anything to worry or trouble the woman. RESULTS are, after all, what matters. For him, that is. Not you. You thought it was about you?

    That’s only when the man actually cares for the woman. Cart. Horse. Gunny, oddly enough, is a good example of this. I’m sure his wife is going to be one happy camper soon enough. Probably for an extended period of time given their eight months apart.

    Then we have Kamal. Kamal’s web page says he has learned to ‘love’ the Kali-Yuga, the darkest age of Hindu mythology. Maybe this is supposed to make him a ‘dark bad boy’?

    Kamal is ‘chivalrous’, except when advocating abandoning one’s own children. He is, I’m sure, even more ‘faithful’ to the women who ‘surrender’ themselves to him. Easy and swift is Kamal with Lies, Lies, Pretty Little Lies.

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  1205. on May 26, 2009 at 8:33 am Default User

    Chic noir

    default was that you 🙂 my honey bunny?

    Sorry sweetums I did not send any pictures.

    However, if they are of a handsome, in shape man they could be pictures of me.

    You can pass on a message from me to your provider; tell her to drop it, it is over. If she does not return the pictures, I will release the video…

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  1206. on May 26, 2009 at 9:06 am Tarl

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/26/opinion/26douthat.html

    Problem – “women are unhappy”.

    American women are wealthier, healthier and better educated than they were 30 years ago. They’re more likely to work outside the home, and more likely to earn salaries comparable to men’s when they do. They can leave abusive marriages and sue sexist employers. They enjoy unprecedented control over their own fertility…

    But all the achievements of the feminist era may have delivered women to greater unhappiness. In the 1960s, when Betty Friedan diagnosed her fellow wives and daughters as the victims of “the problem with no name,” American women reported themselves happier, on average, than did men. Today, that gender gap has reversed. Male happiness has inched up, and female happiness has dropped. In postfeminist America, men are happier than women.

    And the entirely predictable New York Times solution?

    Stigmatize and punish men, particularly alphas:

    They should also be able to agree that the steady advance of single motherhood threatens the interests and happiness of women. Here the public-policy options are limited; some kind of social stigma is a necessity. But a new-model stigma shouldn’t (and couldn’t) look like the old sexism. There’s no necessary reason why feminists and cultural conservatives can’t join forces — in the same way that they made common cause during the pornography wars of the 1980s — behind a social revolution that ostracizes serial baby-daddies and trophy-wife collectors as thoroughly as the “fallen women” of a more patriarchal age.

    No, let’s not blame single motherhood on, um, mothers, and on the state’s relentless effort to usurp the role of the father, let’s blame men! Let’s double down on the man-hate!

    This is so typical of the liberal approach – when a policy has obviously failed, rather than re-evaluate, the answer is always more liberalism even more vigorously applied.

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  1207. on May 26, 2009 at 9:37 am maurice

    @tarl – i saw that this morning as well. douthat is not really a liberal, though – he was brought in to replace kristol as the token conservative on the times op-ed page. he was at a variety of conservative pubs before then, i think. i also thought the piece had the wrong answer but was a little more thoughtful than you described…

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  1208. on May 26, 2009 at 10:03 am Joe

    Kamal is ‘chivalrous’, except when advocating abandoning one’s own children. He is, I’m sure, even more ‘faithful’ to the women who ’surrender’ themselves to him. Easy and swift is Kamal with Lies, Lies, Pretty Little Lies.

    You obviously received some raw deal in life at some point you can’t get over. And you want to fight back and want justice and want a fairer world. I can get that. Fine. Respectable motivation. But you come off like a whiny petulant crybaby, not the defiant culture warrior you think you come off as. I’m sure not 100% of your bad breaks in life come from unfair society like you think but from the fact you alienate people by being a bitter, charmless and toxic guy with a iceberg sized chip on your shoulder ready to self-righteously attack anyone you even remotely suspect is is in collusion with the invisible forces keeping you down. You’re a martyr of self-pity always taking every contrary opinion as some personal attack specifically indicting you and your life.

    Life is unfair, liberals suck, the laws favor women, all that is true, but in your case most of your bad breaks probably just come from being an unlikable dick.

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  1209. on May 26, 2009 at 10:04 am Welmer

    Kamal S.

    Welmer@
    One word “expat” sometimes a man has to just burn his bridges, if you have marketable skills in demand overseas as a consultant, or have enough still stashed away to make a move, why not find someplace that has a low cost of living, some sun, and just split? Maybe write a book, see if you can get an advance, and relocate overseas. Write a long letter to your children explaining what happened, mail out multiple copies to close relatives loyal to you and instruct them to give them to your children on their 16th birthdays. Explain what happened to you, how their mother destroyed you. And then, find greener pastures.

    I’ve thought very seriously about it. I’ve lived overseas before, and speak Chinese, so it may be inevitable.

    The problem is that I am very attached to my children and would be extremely worried about their mother making all the decisions. She’s not the brightest bulb, and I’m worried it would be a disaster for them.

    Whatever the case, I wouldn’t mind getting in touch with some guys in Asia again and starting to look for work there. Life was good over there, and it would probably be even better now.

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  1210. on May 26, 2009 at 10:27 am Tarl

    Oh fie, neither Douthat nor Kristol are conservatives.

    It doesn’t matter what Douthat calls himself – or what the NYT calls him – if he says liberal things and makes liberal proposals as he did here, then he is, in fact, a liberal.

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  1211. on May 26, 2009 at 10:34 am lurker

    About the only thing Douthat can be considered right-wing on his his pro-life position, but that isn’t saying much; even though he’s nominally pro-life, he doesn’t want any kind of punishment for abortion doctors who perform illegal ones. He’s basically a wishy-wash bitch on that.

    Otherwise, he’s a weak-willed middle-of-the-road guy. He and David Brooks must have a fabulous time bending over for their NY Times buddies.

    Thankfully, they’ll all be unemployed come 2011.

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  1212. on May 26, 2009 at 10:37 am Kamal S.

    Comment_whatever
    “Oddly, in Kamal’s May 25 blog post he divides people into Masters and Slaves.”

    Yes.

    Golly, I sure did.

    And what of it?

    In other words, what is your point in making this blindingly brilliant, though quite obvious, observation?

    In any case, frankly, which would you rather be? A master, or a slave? I describe what I see in front of me, not what I wish to be, in the land of make believe.

    The guy who said you need to work on your mockery is right. I mean, you have some vitriol in you, you are capable of a good solid flame. But something fall short. Perhaps, imagination, or an accurate reading of the actual target of your flameage.

    You could have poked holes in me in a witty, and amusing manner. Instead you insist on making yourself into a slight( admittedly slight) tool in public. Somehow you have gotten it into your mind that you dislike me or something I stand for, or something that you think I stand for. Which is fine. I could use some criticism. But try not to be an utter bore while you are at it.

    Most of what I write is designed to provoke a reaction on the part of a reader, to cause a perceptive reader to consider possibilities some of which may or may not be unpleasant or popular. Possibilities I may not even believe in, but whose examination and consideration I see as crucial.

    We live in an age of massive thoughtlessness and ignorance. My blog, which is mostly only read by a few local people in my scene, explores ideas that I have considered that I wish other people to explore, so as to arrive to their own conclusions. I usually address ideas that the people in my social scene see as taboo, or somehow don’t even examine. Most of the people I hang out with are somewhat naïve young progressive types. I write about things I encounter in the world that hint at something darker. By and large people do not consider certain ideas, beyond in a small and limited range.

    Your reading comprehension seems rigid and overly literal – to conclude that I, say, think slavery is a good thing, is a rather rigid and stupid reading.

    We live in the bloody Kali Yuga, so to speak. Whether you consider this a literal statement of fact, or a symbolic and rhetorical one, the real question in all cases is “what are you going to do about it?”.

    What are you going to do about your life, the situation that you find yourself in, in this world, as it is, as it stands, right now?

    There was a movie directed in 1964 by Kubrick, it was titled: “Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb”

    The title of my blog, obviously, is a somewhat sarcastic homage to this movie. My “learning to love the Kali Yuga” is a sardonic play on this them from Kubrick. It has nothing to do with wanting to be dark or a bad boy or any naff shite like that, it has to do with an existential realization I made years ago. Many people are too chicken shite to accept evil in front of their nose. I had to cultivate in me an acceptance, first, of everything I saw in front of me that I disliked. Everything in my personal history, my people’s history, my family’s history, my country’s history, my religion’s history, that had some share of darkness to it. I had to meet these things face to face, on their own ground, so that they no longer had a hold on me. So that I no longer feared them. So that I could be free to finally see with fewer biases.

    Once I had that acceptance it opened up a mental space where I could try to think of solutions, of creative and productive ways in which I could, with my background, my handicaps, my weaknesses, and yes my strengths, respond to a world that I saw as careening out of control. Ways in which I could act in life as a conscious agent, pursue my own interests, and decide for my self who I will and will not serve, on my own terms.

    The world in many ways is going down the shitter, as some perceptive have noticed. Perhaps you haven’t noticed this. The title of my blog explores that. It grew out of an older website, in which I examined eschatological myths and legends of various religions, cults, and spiritual traditions. This grew into something more general

    Re me expat advice. Again, try not to be an utter tool. In Welmer’s case his wife has made him into a whipping post, destroyed his wealth, probably destroyed a good deal of his reputation. I have seen this first hand – oh ye judgmental prick – a good deal of this happened to my own father.

    I am no hypocrite, the advice I gave to him is advice someone could have given my dad at one point of time in his life. Out of my siblings the only ones who were able to more clearly learn to love Dad as he was, with some objectivity, in our adulthood, were the ones geographically separated from him. Mainly one sister and myself, we moved in the 8th grade back to the east coast to live with various relatives. My other siblings remained in the Midwest in my mom’s immediate custody, with some visitation by my Dad, but the vortex of drama, hate, spite, on both my parents parts to be honest, affected their childhoods in ways far too profound to even articulate. When my sister and I were able, as late teens, early adults, to contact Dad and really, really, get his side of the story, and even finally live with him, this was tremendously healing. Years later one other brother of mine later moved in with my dad in his senior year of high school and through college. He also managed to find forgiveness for what he earlier saw as an abandonment.

    Being close to my dad at an earlier stage in the midst of the divorce would have done me no good, since my mom would have had my ear. The best thing for me and my sister was to just be geographically isolated from him, and later as young adults find space to understand him. For my other siblings the sheer weight of my mother’s family’s influence was overwhelming. You can only hear bitter commentary about him coming from the mouths of half your female relatives for so long before you end up with serious issues… And to be fair, in that case, both my mom and dad had real faults. But the way my mom tried to crush him out of pain and spite (and in many ways she had rights to feel pain) had repercussions that will linger in my family for decades after my dad’s tombstone is finally lain (still shopping for it, I’m torn between granite and marble)

    My expat advice would have been advice that could have saved my father some grief, and as an adult I would have understood its necessity.

    If a man is defeated, whipped, stabbed by a lying cheating bitch and a good deal of his surplus income removed, then what the bloody hell do you have on your plate? Why, dear me, it would seem to be a “bad situation” Some bad situations can be dealt with, others cannot. He’s an intelligent man and is capable of taking my advice at face value, or not, as his own case merits.

    As to my dating single moms, in my world I date who I want, when I want, because of the merits of the person whose company I seek. In the real world not every relationship works out, people break up. As I’ve jokingly indicated I’m on pretty good terms with all of my ex’s (except one, anyway) so this probably indicates that the behavior I engage in is not “pump and dump” rather a mutual meeting of two individuals who may happen at a discrete point of time

    In any case, as to one of the single moms I was with, she actually died, you sanctimonious ass. By that time we were no longer a couple in a long term relationship per se, we both made a decision that a long term relationship for us was no longer working. But she continued to be a good friend, and we were still occasional lovers from time to time, out of sheer physical chemistry. Until she died. So in a sense, you could say that life dumped her. Or rather, that she dumped life.

    So there you go, you are free to return to reading your own private script into my words. There are probably more productive targets of your ire. And to tell the truth, your attention is somewhat flattering. Pissing off someone to the degree of near incoherence, as in your case, is something that happens rarely to me. It is good to know that in some small way, very small, I have made a mark on the world..

    And in your soul
    🙂
    As for myself, I’m headed out to buy myself a nice authentic Belgian waffle, cooked by an actual Belgian chef no less, and then to get to the essential day’s task of making money.
    Ciao.

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  1213. on May 26, 2009 at 10:50 am Benedict Smith

    preying on insecurities is weak. always has been, always will be. welcome to being a chick in mind and body.

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  1214. on May 26, 2009 at 10:50 am Kamal S.

    Welmer@
    “The problem is that I am very attached to my children and would be extremely worried about their mother making all the decisions. She’s not the brightest bulb, and I’m worried it would be a disaster for them.

    Whatever the case, I wouldn’t mind getting in touch with some guys in Asia again and starting to look for work there. Life was good over there, and it would probably be even better now.”

    If you can keep clear lines of communication with your kids, this is important.

    I sort of went through this, from the child’s perspective, with my parent’s quite nasty divorce. Basically it is possible that in some ways you may be “damn’ed if you do or don’t” either way.

    It may be something best kept as a backup plan C, an emergency one. Basically if it comes between suicide, homicidal rage, or relocating overseas – well the latter is preferred.

    The fact that you have this concern for your childrens’ welfare shows your morality and inner core. I wish you the best. Whatever you do, document everything for your childrens’ posterity. I mean everything, by text, by audio, hell a video letter. If she gives you some free communication and you have some room to influence them still, then by being in their lives and by somehow, with superhuman effort, refraining from calling your ex a cunty bitch every 5 minutes, you may be able to have a positive influence on them that counter-acts her negative influence.

    I have two best friends dealing with the same issue. One decided to just drop out of society and focus on making money, and seeing his boys once a month. his reasoning is that becoming rich will be more useful to his boys than remaining broken and poor, but available. His ex wife now dates coke dealers and thugs, and places his boys in horrible environments. One of her boyfriends also arranged for an armed robbery of my friend. So in his case, simply dropping out and focusing on a financial bottom line was really the only thing he could do, short of murdering her, which would have just made the situation unpleasant for everyone.

    My other friend is in dire financial straights, as a loan officer (he’s starting to do well with refinances though) and is really battling to get total custody of his kids. He stands a fair chance because not only is his wife a lying cheating and manipulative whore (though a very charming and intelligent one), but she is also medicated for some severe mental issues. She also made the decision to start moonlighting as a stripper and private adult performer.

    He’s a banker and is well known in his community, she’s a mentally imbalanced stripper/whore, albeit a charming and attractive one. Even in an utterly retarded custody court environment the choice should be an obvious one.

    In any case, whatever decision you make, make it with care, after weighing out everything, and in the end listen to both your heart and mind. Life is short, love of your children trumps all, whatever decision is in their best interests do it out of love. It is possible that the expat solution might actually be in their best interests. But it is also possible that this is just bad advice on my part.

    Good luck.

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  1215. on May 26, 2009 at 10:59 am maurice

    I don’t mind Brooks – even when he’s wrong he’s interesting to read. Looks like you guys (lurker, Tarl) are applying a pretty strong ideological litmus test to these guys. that’s the way for convervatives to paint themselves farther into a corner – more concerned about purity of ideology than in relating to what’s actually changing and going on around them. Brooks has a sharp eye for social and political trends – unlike the paleocons of the world who will always be out of touch with post-Boomer America.

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  1216. on May 26, 2009 at 11:03 am lurker

    maurice, please. taking advice from liberals on how to win elections is the last thing conservatives need.

    Memo to liberals: you won the last 2 election on 2 issues: making up stuff about George Bush and the economy. Bush is otu of office now, and Obama is ruining the economy. Hmmm, I wonder….

    Brooks/Douthat don’t have sharp eyes—they’re just good followers. They’re backbreaking apologists willing to trash their own side so the NYT gang pats them on the head like the good dogs they are.

    “unlike the paleocons of the world who will always be out of touch with post-Boomer America.”
    —seems like those “paleocons” did a good job of running the country from 1994-2006. You remember that period of economic growth, low taxes, and low gas prices, right?

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  1217. on May 26, 2009 at 11:08 am lurker

    maurice: “in relating to what’s actually changing”

    —hopeandchange? Obama fan, everyone!

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  1218. on May 26, 2009 at 11:12 am anony

    @maurice, lurker, tarl,
    The Stevenson/Wolfers happiness study was interesting to me, too. I followed some links to it’s statistical sources and another analysis of it. See here:
    http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004965.html

    Cliff notes:
    -General Social Survey with 3 subjective self-reported endpoints
    -There is no statistical difference between the genders, either in 1970 nor any time through 2006.
    -The statistical difference is in time trending only.
    -The reporting is inconsistent (poor retest correlation)

    The interesting step is to watch how the statisticalfindings get translated (misrepresented) into journalistic conclusions. Also interesting how different journalistic translations are used on different readerships (NYT vrs. Slate)

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  1219. on May 26, 2009 at 11:14 am maurice

    not liberals – the center. neither wing can maintain a governing majority without the center. the right has been in the process of ceding that center to the dems for the better part of the last 10 years. the good news is, the wheel always turs – the libs will overreach (are in the process of doing so spectacularly right now) and so conservatuive ideas, especially economically, will come back around, and sooner than it now seems. but it won’t be an exact repeat of the reagan era. the culture wars are ending and the GOP is on the losing side.

    e.g. – paleocons is shorthand for theocons, basically – people who think a governing philosophy has to be based on religion, specifically “judeo-christian” values. those are the anti-abortion types you mentioned. as with gay marriage, that issue has been fought and lost (or won, depending on your point of view) and is increasingly generational in nature. so to the extent that the GOP wants to appeal to older and southern voters at the expense of the rest of the population, they can – but it’s a mistake. economic issues are where it’s at.

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  1220. on May 26, 2009 at 11:17 am lurker

    Slate’s a rag. they cite wikipedia for their source material. “nuff said.

    NYT just has their writers make up shit.

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  1221. on May 26, 2009 at 11:19 am maurice

    @lurker – no, not a fan, but not a demonizer either. he’s neither the messiah nor the devil – just a liberal responding to the claims of his various interest groups. a very skillful politican, obviously.

    @anony – actually I didn’t care enough to look at that study, but i agree with your point that statistical/survey data is often (regularly) distorted to serve various agendas, including by journalists. if i understood what you wrote, there is no statistical basis for the claim of the column that women are now less happy (whatever that means) than men …? is that right?

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  1222. on May 26, 2009 at 11:23 am lurker

    Maurice, being stupid:

    “not liberals – the center.”
    —all left wingers think they’re the center. Code Pink thinks it represents everyone in America. Alec Baldwin thinks he’s a moderate intellectual. Liberalism is a mental disease.

    “the culture wars are ending and the GOP is on the losing side.”
    —why is liberals say this? if it were true, then you wouldn’t have to say it. Insecure people often say things like this as demoralizing attacks on their opponents—“just give up, you’ve lost.” If the right truly had lost, you wouldn’t feel the need to say it. Good luck.

    “those are the anti-abortion types you mentioned.”
    –yawn. another dumb liberal (but I repeat myself) who tries to link anti-abortion with religion instead of science. Meanwhile, you’ll defend feminism as logical. Heard it before, luddite, and it still ain’t selling.

    “is increasingly generational in nature.”
    —abortion isn’t.

    “so to the extent that the GOP wants to appeal to older and southern voters at the expense of the rest of the population, they can – but it’s a mistake.”
    —lol,. thanks their Bob Shrum. I’m sure characterizing the GOP as appealing to older southern voters after having Michael Steele elected chairman and running John McCain makes perfect sense in your warped little mind. Ignore the Bush smears and the economic fallout; its all because of paleocons.

    Seriously, how do you manage to get dressed in the morning, kid?

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  1223. on May 26, 2009 at 11:24 am lurker

    maurice:

    ” he’s neither the messiah nor the devil – just a liberal responding to the claims of his various interest groups.”

    —lmao. anyone who’s read his philosopghy and his paying attention knows differently. Oh wait, you’d have to not be his cult member to see that. Continue with the Kool-Aid.

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  1224. on May 26, 2009 at 11:28 am maurice

    @lurker- whatev, bro – we just disagree. moving on.

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  1225. on May 26, 2009 at 11:37 am Tarl

    @maurice,

    Looks like you guys (lurker, Tarl) are applying a pretty strong ideological litmus test to these guys. that’s the way for convervatives to paint themselves farther into a corner – more concerned about purity of ideology than in relating to what’s actually changing and going on around them.

    Conservatives will never defeat liberals if they do not articulate their own ideology and criticize liberal ideology. What Douthat said was liberal and it is correct to call it that and criticize it as such.

    As for “relating to what’s actually changing and going on around them”, by that you mean “conservatives should surrender to liberalism”, and naturally I disagree. There is no point at all to a “conservative” movement that “relates to change”. If you are “changing” then by definition you are not conserving.

    neither wing can maintain a governing majority without the center. the right has been in the process of ceding that center to the dems for the better part of the last 10 years.

    The “center” is not fixed – it has been moving steadily to the left for decades. This is something to be fought tooth and nail, not “related to” or “adapted to”.

    the good news is, the wheel always turs – the libs will overreach (are in the process of doing so spectacularly right now) and so conservatuive ideas, especially economically, will come back around, and sooner than it now seems. but it won’t be an exact repeat of the reagan era. the culture wars are ending and the GOP is on the losing side.

    The wheel does not turn back. It is a ratchet, not a pendulum. When “conservative” ideas come back in vogue they will be far to the left of what is considered conservative now. But again this “change” is something that should be fought, not “related to”.

    @lurker,

    seems like those “paleocons” did a good job of running the country from 1994-2006. You remember that period of economic growth, low taxes, and low gas prices, right?

    Sorry, my friend, I don’t regard the period 2001-2008 as a time when “conservatives ran the country”. Dubya made conservative noises but governed as a liberal.

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  1226. on May 26, 2009 at 11:39 am anony

    @maurice,
    Exactly.

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  1227. on May 26, 2009 at 11:47 am maurice

    @Tarl – ratchet is a good analogy in historical terms – the center does always drift left. but that’s because of trends in society – secularization, economic progress, etc. – that politicians follow, not lead. in the short term, though, there are oscillations around this – e.g., in 1968 or 1972 most americans would have had a hard time imagining reagan’s presidency circa 1985 or so. that was fueled mainly by backlash against the counterculture, etc., but also by tax-cutting and other conservative ideas. my point was that the latter will continue to be winners and the former are played out. other folks are, of course, welcome to disagree. i agree that W governed as an economic liberal but a social conservative – the exact oppostie of the formula i think the GOP needs to win. hence the size of the hole they’re in now.

    basically, you’re arguing as an advocate, and i am as an observer. that might explain the differing tones of our posts.

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  1228. on May 26, 2009 at 11:54 am lurker

    maurice:
    “we just disagree. moving on.”
    —another liberal defeated with facts.

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  1229. on May 26, 2009 at 12:02 pm lurker

    “the center does always drift left.”

    –not true at all. People who say this only view through the narrow prism of the post ww2 era, with the big event that “proves” this being the 1960s.

    Looking at histories stretching back to Egypt, we see that there is often a period of secularization and then a huge backlash and a conservative backlash. Google “Savonarola” for example. Or any “puritanical” movement–really just conservative movements distorted by liberal commentators of the period.

    The yin-yang is very true: sometimes socieites view homosexuality as fine, sometimes and abhorrence, and never is it an evolution. Sometimes Gladitorial endeavros are encouraged, soemtimes banned.

    To say the center always moves left is to buy into a Hollywood version of history–similar to the “never tell a child no, they will always rebel.” Such a version serves Hollywood’s purpose, since Hollywood has long been a propagandist for the left.

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  1230. on May 26, 2009 at 12:02 pm maurice

    @anony – OK, so douthat’s column that is the source of this recent thread was based on crap – misinterpretation of social data.

    might he have done so not to bolster the liberal agenda of the NYT (something I didn’t read into his piece) but to gain attention to his new column by linking it to something out there in the media zeitgeist? to wit, first-wave feminism has been a failure and second-wave has no good answers.

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  1231. on May 26, 2009 at 12:03 pm Tarl

    the center does always drift left. but that’s because of trends in society – secularization, economic progress, etc. – that politicians follow, not lead.

    The Leftward trend is neither natural nor inevitable – it is the product of decades of propaganda from cultural institutions (media, academia, Hollywood) plus laws made by Leftist politicians and interpreted by Leftist lawyers and judges. Politicians do, in fact, lead the march Left, but they are not the only leaders.

    I cannot be content merely to “observe” a trend that one thinks is profoundly pernicious. That is why I advocate doing something about it, or at least speaking out against it, even if the struggle seems hopeless.

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  1232. on May 26, 2009 at 12:16 pm maurice

    Savonarola? Really? a guy who set up a one-year reign-of-terror, inspired by a syphilis epidemic, who was executed for his excesses? Is Florence today governed by his ideas even a little bit? that example proves my point perfectly.

    but you have a point – i was speaking mainly about the U.S./Western Europe in the modern era. If you look over longer historical periods, you get a different picture with liberal eras (as opposed to political fluctuations) alternating with more conservative ones. in the west, there’s only been one direction since basically the middle ages – leftward – but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t collapse into some sort of chaos or barbarian invasion, or whatever, – e.g., fall of rome. a historical follow-up to an age of decadence and wealth. (itself followed by ages of religion, conservatism, etc. – e.g. middle ages after fall of rome.) but it would have to be a cultural break of that enormous magnitude to change the trend that is now 500+ years old.

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  1233. on May 26, 2009 at 12:25 pm doug1

    Chic Noir

    See you [gunslingergregi] are going to get azz caped in here. Wait until doug1 sees this nonsense.

    Wise girl.

    Some things are inevitable, I guess.

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  1234. on May 26, 2009 at 12:30 pm maurice

    @Tarl – per above, Western society has been drifting away from its conservative beginnings for centuries – see: Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightment, Industrial Revolution. That’s the ratchet I thought you were talking about – on that scale. So secularization and such have been going on since before Hollywood and the modern media even existed.

    you have a point about the interest groups and politicians sometimes leading, but maybe that’s because the kind of historical “liberalism” above is basically in the national DNA of the USA: Protestant, progressive, pro-science and engineering, pro-individual freedoms. Given the ideas embedded in the Constitution, individual freedoms will *always* trump conservative sorts of collectivism. The system is set up that way, because it’s a product of the Enlightment and Reformation. If that’s true, then the leftie interest groups and politicians will always have an edge over their conservative counterparts – in addition to the media bias. that’s a pretty common theme in the threads here, as it relates to the doctrinaire 60s type of feminism.

    i guess you are arguing that it can and should be resisted through conservative political activism, but I just argued that I think that is futile – the ratchet of expanding rights and reduced community and solidarity are built in to the political system. expanding government, however, is not – that’s a political choice that began in the 30s (the opposite of the limited government envisioned by the founders) and has reached an apogee of inefficiency and waste. those are the issues I was arguing above the GOP should focus on.

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  1235. on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 pm Firepower

    just returned from holiday – did i miss anything

    …now…where’d i leave that darn bon mot

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  1236. on May 26, 2009 at 12:40 pm anony

    @maurice,
    douthat misstates a “finding” (including a misstatement that the survey included EU responders!!.). He speculates the finding results from single parent families, and then
    -nods to working women with work-parent juggle, and
    -proposes to sexually stigmatize men who are “baby -daddies and trophy-wife collectors.”

    It seems that he panders to work/home juggling women and beta men. So, I presume that is his reader profile.

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  1237. on May 26, 2009 at 12:41 pm Anonymous

    That is what being a man is all about, following our will, and choosing what we will.

    Congratulations then on dancing to a bitch’s tune Stepn Fetchit.

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  1238. on May 26, 2009 at 12:41 pm too late for romance

    That is what being a man is all about, following our will, and choosing what we will.

    Congratulations then on dancing to a bitch’s tune Stepn Fetchit.

    Maybe if you are a good boy massa will give you some pussy.

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  1239. on May 26, 2009 at 12:48 pm Thursday

    Douthat is a smart guy and real conservative, but like a lot of social conservatives, he doesn’t really know all that much about women.

    I recall Steve Sailer once making some uninformed comments about game. That doesn’t make him a left winger.

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  1240. on May 26, 2009 at 12:51 pm Thursday

    expanding government, however, is not

    James Kalb’s book The Tyranny of Liberalism is really good on why proceduraly (classical) liberalism will always turn into substantive (big government) liberalism.

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  1241. on May 26, 2009 at 1:06 pm doug1

    Thursday —

    James Kalb’s book The Tyranny of Liberalism is really good on why proceduraly (classical) liberalism will always turn into substantive (big government) liberalism.

    Would you be willing to do some of us a huge favor and do a one or two paragraph summary of his argument?

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  1242. on May 26, 2009 at 1:10 pm omw

    Cemetery visiting, trout fishing, eating popsicles with your great-grandma on the back porch all > arguing about politics on the internet over Memorial Day weekend.

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  1243. on May 26, 2009 at 1:15 pm doug1

    Tarl–

    This is so typical of the liberal approach – when a policy has obviously failed, rather than re-evaluate, the answer is always more liberalism even more vigorously applied.

    Yes.

    But damn it Tarl, do not call it liberalism. Call it leftism. Do a liberalism aka leftism if you feel the need.

    As I’ve said before, the only place in the world that uses liberal to mean what it does here, is North America. Elsewhere it means free market laisse faire, especially e.g. free trade, denationalization, privitization, and so on. The overlap is that it also means lessening immigration restriction and openness to the competition between and intermingling of all cultures. Here the equivalent is “classical liberalism”.

    Liberal as it’s used in the US (and that cousin to the north) was invented by leftists in the 1930’s as a euphamism for the leftist turn of the FDR administration, and for even more leftist policies advocated by, well leftists, many of whom were fellow travelers in liberal burkas.

    Thank you.

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  1244. on May 26, 2009 at 1:30 pm Tarl

    Western society has been drifting away from its conservative beginnings for centuries – see: Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightment, Industrial Revolution. That’s the ratchet I thought you were talking about – on that scale.

    I don’t regard those events and processes as inherently “anti-conservative” or inconsistent with conservatism. The Founding Fathers, after all, were very much men of the Reformation and Enlightenment, and by today’s standards they were hopelessly paleoconservative.

    In any event I meant the ratchet effect to refer to this country since 1933, though arguably one could take it back even further.

    the kind of historical “liberalism” above is basically in the national DNA of the USA: Protestant, progressive, pro-science and engineering, pro-individual freedoms.

    Partly here you are assuming what you want to prove – the USA is liberal because it is “genetically progressive”.

    For the rest, I see no convincing case that being Protestant, pro-science and engineering, and pro-individual freedom is inherently anti-conservative or should necessarily lead to the political triumph of liberalism. After all, a great many conservatives in this country historically have been (and are today) Protestant, pro-science and engineering, and pro-individual freedom. Furthermore, I will observe that today’s liberalism is, despite its strident claims to the contrary, objectively anti-science and engineering, anti-Protestant, and anti-individual freedom.

    Last but not least, any claim about something “being in our national DNA” elides the process of propagandization that brought about the public attitudes of today. This is simply another way of saying “it was always inevitable” and thus distracting attention from any careful inquiry into how we got where we are and who made it happen.

    Given the ideas embedded in the Constitution, individual freedoms will *always* trump conservative sorts of collectivism.

    Um, what? Here you are reversing the political positions of conservative and liberal – ascribing collectivism to the conservatives and “individual freedom” to the liberal. Sorry, individual freedom has always been and remains a conservative virtue (in America anyway).

    The Founding Fathers were certainly not “spread the wealth around” Marxists like the politicians we have today. The argument that the government of 1788 inevitably progressed to the government of 2009 is just whig history at its worst and most tendentious. To repeat, there was nothing natural or inevitable about the triumph of Leftism since 1933.

    The system is set up that way, because it’s a product of the Enlightment and Reformation.

    Absurd! The United States established by the Founding Fathers was actively undermined and destroyed over the course of two centuries by Leftist politicians and their accomplices, who replaced it with a system that functioned for their own political aggrandizement. The Founding Fathers did not set up something that they thought would “naturally” lead us to where we are now, and they’d be aghast and appalled at where we are now.

    If that’s true, then the leftie interest groups and politicians will always have an edge over their conservative counterparts

    I can understand the liberals sending the message that “our victory is inevitable, so don’t fight it”, but that doesn’t mean anyone with a brain should agree with it.

    I just argued that I think that is futile – the ratchet of expanding rights and reduced community and solidarity are built in to the political system.

    What men have put into the political system, men can take out – especially if it’s not working.

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  1245. on May 26, 2009 at 1:34 pm Default User

    omw

    Cemetery visiting, trout fishing, eating popsicles with your great-grandma on the back porch all > arguing about politics on the internet over Memorial Day weekend.

    Modesty > boasting.
    Boasting to friends > boasting on the Internet.
    🙂

    Glad you had a nice weekend though. We certainly would not have wanted to keep you from your family.

    Now, I am not trying to stir up trouble but…
    …Just as Biting Beaver disappears omw returns. I am sure that is a coincidence. Yup, just a coincidence.
    😉

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  1246. on May 26, 2009 at 1:41 pm omw

    Aw, Default, it’s not boasting, is it? lol. It’s just the facts!

    You know, maybe what I really am thinking lately is that is Real Life > Internet World. 😀

    Original thought, no? ha!

    But “Biting Beaver?” S/he/it sounds like a fun commenter. With a name like that, it has to be good.

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  1247. on May 26, 2009 at 1:44 pm Thursday

    Hello Doug:

    Here is Kalb’s own brief explanation:
    http://turnabout.ath.cx:8000/node/2805#comment-11347

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  1248. on May 26, 2009 at 1:48 pm Chuck

    thursday,

    haven’t read kolb’s book, but i’m guessing it has something to do with the “tyranny of the majority”? classic liberals are in favor of freedom in all realms of life; they are laissez faire and socially liberal.

    america’s history, and that of most nations, has been a steady march towards universal suffrage.

    they run into a problem though when formerly “oppressed” groups, such as women, blacks, and hispanics gain the right to vote and are able to dominate social and economic issues.

    those previously oppressed groups seek reparations for past transgressions in the form of the nanny state and affirmative action; both things the antithesis of classical liberalism.

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  1249. on May 26, 2009 at 1:50 pm Thursday

    Most “conservatives” in the U.S. are really right liberals.

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  1250. on May 26, 2009 at 1:51 pm omw

    I love Moldbug for agitating for the return of the divine right of kings; didn’t he describe the hallowed Founding Fathers as “whining Puritans” once?

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  1251. on May 26, 2009 at 1:59 pm Thursday

    Chuck:

    No, Kalb’s thesis is that freedom and equality (the goals of liberalism) are so abstract that they cannot be satisfied and thus provide a program for endless attempts at social reengineering:

    Contemporary liberalism is not so limited a view. It is a comprehensive governing philosophy that determines the whole of public morality. While it sounds permissive, comprehensive solutions are usually intolerant in practice and liberalism is no exception. Contemporary liberalism sets forth categorical demands it calls “rights,” and rejects balancing principles such as respect for natural tendencies and settled understandings. Without balancing principles abstract demands expand without limit. As a result, liberal standards have become all-embracing to the point of tyranny. Liberal neutrality, which began as a patchwork of limitations on government power, has become applicable to social practices generally and thereby oppressive. If to be liberal is to be willing to accommodate other views, contemporary liberalism is no longer liberal.

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  1252. on May 26, 2009 at 2:02 pm Anonymous

    I hesitate to add to this thread but feel I must respond to what I think is Tarl and Doug1’s misunderstanding of maurice.

    Fellows, I agree with your basic summary of the meaning of “liberal” and “conservative” in the American context. However, I think you misunderstood one part of m’s comment: he referred not to “conservative collectivism” but to “conservative sorts of collectivism”. That little phrase makes a world of difference in meaning. If you think that no forms of conservative collectivism exist, you are making the same type of mistake as those American liberals who are convinced that “liberalism” always and everywhere means/meant what it means in the Democratic party today: you are seeing history exclusively through American eyes.

    What’s a conservative form of collectivism, then? Well, any system that gives power, via the law, to the Family, the Church, and collective social disapproval, rather than a) to individual wants and needs, or b) to government institutions, is engaging in a form conservative collectivism. Of course, one of the ironies of excessive individualism is that it tends to lead to the enlargement of government institutions. For example, as people here often observe, if you weaken the power of the family to discipline its members, and weaken the element of social disapproval of such things as out-of-wedlock childbearing, you will increase the need for government intervention.

    Clio

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  1253. on May 26, 2009 at 2:02 pm Chuck

    thursday:

    “Most “conservatives” in the U.S. are really right liberals.”

    interesting comment. by the old standard of “liberal”, modern day conservatives are liberal. liberals have historically been proponents of democracy. democracy is nearly universally accepted in this country.

    the difference today, the one that has led to a different definition of liberal and conservative, is the extent to which democracy should go. as kalb and others talked about on that link of yours, they are divided along the lines of systematic liberalism and egalitarianism.

    it wasn’t enough for some liberals, once everyone had become de facto liberal, for everyone to have a voice. That voice had to be amplified to a point that it produced equal outcomes instead of simply equal opportunity. modern day liberals, leftists, are not content to let sleeping dogs lie. they must always follow progressivism or else they will seek to exist as their own branch of liberalism.

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  1254. on May 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm maurice

    @Tarl – all great points. By “conservative sorts of collectivism”, however, i did not mean Marxist propertry redistribution but church, community, tradition – the historic “right” which the modern rights-seeking “left” sets itself up against in non-economic terms. and I second Doug’s point about use of the word “liberalism” – which is the name for pro-market conservtism in the rest of the world. that’s the kind of “liberalism” that I asserted was embedded into the processes of the U.S.

    @Thursday – thanks for that Kalb book and link – i’ll look at it some more. haven’t thought about it enough, obviously, but even though his argument might bolster my post above that the founding DNA of the U.S. inevitably degenerates into lef-liberalism – at heart i have to agree with Tarl – I think the failure of big government (Byzantine disease – the rot and waste of a permanent bureaucracy caste, sapping the wealth and vitality of the economy) is so obvious the we *can* in fact choose to reverse it.

    there’s been a lot of commentary about the impending bankruptcy of california and whether it may be a harbinger for the U.S.’s political system being unable to solve its similar problem, at the national level, of excessive debt and a paralyzed interest-group kind of politics. in much the way that the prop 13 victory in 1978 pointed to the reagan era on the national scale. if so, and the above argument is correct, a federal bankruptcy crisis (the one that is being set up by our response to the private banking crisis) might be the precipitating event.

    thoughts?

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  1255. on May 26, 2009 at 2:07 pm Lady Rain

    I’m sorry but I’m still laughing that someone here said “The Liberals MADE UP a huge problem with the economy and Obama has ruined the economy in one year”?

    Holy shit, I don’t care WHAT side of the table you sit on, can anyone seriously be delusional enough to think the economy was “good” up until one year ago? That it was all lies? Please. That’s just….. I don’t even know how you can make a statement like that without having a sudden moment of realization that you are completely out of your mind.

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  1256. on May 26, 2009 at 2:08 pm Thursday

    Clio:

    The much maligned Ross Douthat has some good thoughts on this here, here, and here.

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  1257. on May 26, 2009 at 2:11 pm Default User

    omw

    You know, maybe what I really am thinking lately is that is Real Life > Internet World.

    Original thought, no? ha!

    Orginal? No.

    Correct? Yes.

    Of course, we can spend time in both.

    And yes, Bitey/Darth Maul/Roissy/Sara I/omw/contrarian/whoever was a fun and energetic poster. If you like that kind of thing

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  1258. on May 26, 2009 at 2:17 pm Lady Rain

    Before anyone accuses/asks I don’t know anymore where I fall on the political scale. I’m probably a Centrist when you really have to give it a name because both opposite ends are so ridiculously cartoonish anymore that I can’t even believe it.

    Wading through the contradictions on both sides and attempting to be “conservative” or “liberal” is a hypocrisy in itself.

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  1259. on May 26, 2009 at 2:23 pm maurice

    @omw – “moldbug” ???

    @anonymous/clio – thanks for that post- mine crossed it in the ether, but you articulated very well what i was trying to say in a more concise way. (very long posts here kind of bug me …)

    @thursday – another great quote, and more-or-less agrees with what i and clio were trying to say, but better thought-through. i’ll have to get hold of that book. the point for this argument is – does libertarian/process liberalism inevitably lead, over a suitable number of generations, to big-government liberalism? the main barriers that Kalb, clio and myself have identified are those “conservative collective” instutitions – “tradition” in the Burkean sense – that have themselves been attenuated by modernity. so to the extent that those can reinvigorate themselves – e.g. the worldwide increase in religious belief and influence in the last 30 years or so – those bulwarks can continue to block the expansion of the state. Thoughts?

    @anony – well said – i guess that would be the NYT’s readership – the current elite of this country.

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  1260. on May 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm doug1

    Clio; Thursday–

    Kalb conjoins freedom and equality as the goals of classical liberalism and then argues with some persuasiveness that the two, though he really focuses on the impluse towards equality, lead to big government left liberalism.

    I say the belief in underlying equality and the political drive to realize that supposed “truth” is the problem.

    I’ve for quite some time played with idea of simply saying I don’t believe in equality as either an underlying reality, or the proper modern goal.

    Hey, I’m there. I don’t. I don’t believe in equality.

    That doesn’t mean I believe in the polar opposite either. I believe in a balance. What we have as a political imperative is a drive towards an absolute, so far as government policy goes.

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  1261. on May 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm omw

    Ah, Maurice, I mean the pseudonymous blogging crank (yes, redundant phrase) known as Mencius Moldbug of “Unqualified Reservations.”

    Democracy is a cancer, and our leftish elite are just the inevitable manifestation of the disease’s course; that elite really are the proper moral and intellectual descendants of the Founding Fathers, and if you don’t like it, take it up with the Stuarts.

    The restoration of city-states governed by completely sovereign monarchs is the path back to civilization.

    Or something like that. It’s been awhile.

    Don’t look him up unless you’ve got at least five hours to kill this week. :p

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  1262. on May 26, 2009 at 2:41 pm doug1

    maurice–

    i guess that would be the NYT’s readership

    I used to read the NYT religiously. Now I rarely do. What does that make me?

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  1263. on May 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm maurice

    @Thursday – thanks for the links. good stuff. it’s obviously a question we’re not going to solve today … they also made me think Douthat is not so much a doctrinaire conservative as a guy looking for conservative answers to modern problems.

    @omw – thanks for the clarification. sounds like a textbook “paleocon” of the type i was trying to identify above. i tend to stay away from the political blogosphere, as it’s kind of a bottomless pit. also reminiscent of academia, in the classic-joke sense of the fights being so vicious because the stakes are so small. much more fun to read about roissy’s pickup stuff.

    also city-states might not be a bad idea – like mercantile Venice, which had elite-democratic institutions long before modern Britain. we have the right qualities in this country for that – scale is the problem though. i guess the small scale is the way to avoid crippling government bureaucracy.

    @doug- equality of opportunity/process or equality of outcome? the former is U.S. style liberalism and the latter Soviet communism, bascially. one could argue that the U.S. courts in the 60s new-left were taken over by equality-of-outcome ideas. (remember all those “impeach earl warren” bumper stickers?) not only the courts, but mostly there.

    i’d have to say you can’t ever really argue against equality of opportunity in this country – the “all men created equal” in the D of I is about that: no special privileges for rank or caste. but equality-of-outcome is what you seem to be taking issue with – not too many here would disagree…

    All this under a post entitled “How to Prey on Women’s Insecurities” …! yet another reason i hang around here.. you never know where the discussion is going to go.

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  1264. on May 26, 2009 at 2:57 pm maurice

    @doug – an apostate of the elite? a lapsed member of the ruling class? i read it most days but think, maybe incorrectly, that i can discount/compensate for the obvious political bias. i also like the science section, and certain parts of the arts sections – no other local paper has anything remotely comparable. they do aim to be a national paper.

    and now they’ve gone and mortgaged themselves to Carlos Slim. Rupert Murdoch ought to look great compared to him – he overpaid for the WSJ in order to rejuvenate it with money from newscorp’s film and TV properties. the problem at NYT is probably this pinch character (sulzberger jr.) – he doesn’t seem to be up for the job.

    the MSM has its flaws but i think we’ll miss it when it’s gone. the culture of objectivity and fact-checking is valuable and expensive to maintain. we will soon only have flaming one-issue bloggers or kooky cable hosts for news… yeesh.

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  1265. on May 26, 2009 at 2:57 pm Tarl

    Most “conservatives” in the U.S. are really right liberals.

    The whole Leftist / liberal / “right liberal” terminological debate is another symptom of the leftward drift in American politics. Today’s conservative = yesterday’s right liberal = last week’s liberal = last month’s Leftist = last year’s Marxist.

    What’s a conservative form of collectivism, then? Well, any system that gives power, via the law, to the Family, the Church, and collective social disapproval, rather than a) to individual wants and needs, or b) to government institutions, is engaging in a form conservative collectivism.

    To define any form of legal, political, or religious human organization as “collectivism” is really to abuse the term to the point of meaninglessness. Is that the true objective here – to render the term “collectivism” meaningless so that nobody will oppose it, and to tar the Right with the collectivist brush to weaken opposition to Leftist collectivism?

    Humans who have laws and customs are not “collectivists” simply because they do not live in the state of nature or lawless anarchy.

    With respect to Maurice’s specific point, I see nothing in the Constitution that is necessarily inconsistent with “conservative collectivism” defined as “church, community, and tradition”. To be sure, the Left has abused the ideas in the Constitution in order to attack church, community, and tradition, but that in no way demonstrates that the Constitution is necessarily hostile to these institutions. Any resident of the United States up until the last few decades would have been shocked, appalled, and indignant to hear that the Constitution inevitably meant the ultimate overthrow of church, community, and tradition.

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  1266. on May 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm Tarl

    the culture of objectivity and fact-checking is valuable and expensive to maintain.

    When did the MSM ever have that culture? Not in my lifetime, that’s for sure. It loves to pretend it does, of course, but that’s all it is, sheer pretense.

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  1267. on May 26, 2009 at 3:05 pm doug1

    Maurice

    i also like the science section, and certain parts of the arts sections – no other local paper has anything remotely comparable. they do aim to be a national paper.

    Yeah, now that I think about it, I guess I kinda lied. I do have certain parts of the Times on RSS feed, and read what looks interesting or useful to me from there.

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  1268. on May 26, 2009 at 3:09 pm maurice

    @Tarl – you appear to be quibbling with the use of the word “collective” to describe traditional instutitions. fine – think of them, then, by any other name to get to the point of the argument. should they, can they, be strong enough to resist an expanding state seeking to protect expanding definitions of rights? also re the Constitution – Thursday’s links to Douthat (esp the middle one) have stuff on that. in that argument, leftists attack “illiberal” aspects of church, family, community, which conservatives then interpret as attacks on the institutions themselves.

    even today, no one says the Constitution means the “overthrow” of these things – but it does seek to control them. e.g., gay marriage – should the state have the right to tell the church the meaning of its own doctrines? family: should the state get involved in the parent-child relationship? community: segregation, federalism, affirmative action.

    no need to rehash these individual isses here – it’s just to illustrate the playing fields on which that larger issue has been playing out. i guess i am arguing that church, family and commmunity are resiliant enough to endure – but are transformed by the encounter, moving leftward on the ratchet with each generation. i agree with your first point there, but, as before, don’t think there’s much we can do to stop it.

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  1269. on May 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm maurice

    this is all great but too too serious – where the hell is roissy’s post for today? i want to read about swooping fly girls (in a mannber of speaking) to take my mind of the decline of the west. maybe we’re the barbarians ..?

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  1270. on May 26, 2009 at 3:16 pm doug1

    Maurice–

    i’d have to say you can’t ever really argue against equality of opportunity in this country – the “all men created equal” in the D of I is about that: no special privileges for rank or caste.

    Yes, I’m for equality of opportunity it that sense of no special privileges. What I’m really for is there been no artificial legal barriers to full and open competition — so that the cream will tend to rise.

    However if one takes “equality of opportunity” to an extreme, as tends to be attempted these days, then one starts to get into leveling ideas. E.g. no child left behind. Arguments for affirmative action, and so on.

    Where I’m coming from isn’t a love of elitism. Although some things about elites are good (high arts, science, standards generally). Instead look at biology. Even within a species it’s all about diversity. Tons of inequality. Different mixes of traits. In “any” situation or shifting environment, some of those will be well suited and rise to the top (in frequency). We are biological and our brains are too. Culture is biological software.

    Does equality of opportunity mean that parents should not be allowed to give their kids any advantages, if they can? Does it mean that even ideally?

    Actually, I no longer even think that it’s all that imortant that a truly able child be able to rise to the very top if he starts way down near the bottom. Instead I’d be more concerned if it can’t happen in two generations. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s great when it does happen in one. I’m just not at all convinced that we need to move heaven and earth socially to “be sure” that it always can.

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  1271. on May 26, 2009 at 3:19 pm doug1

    maurice-

    this is all great but too too serious – where the hell is roissy’s post for today? i want to read about swooping fly girls (in a mannber of speaking) to take my mind of the decline of the west. maybe we’re the barbarians ..?

    You mean you don’t have your overseas Arab gf feeding you little funny or inane jokes about everything from shielding Doug jr. the fish from roomie’s choice for dinner, to missing feet on skeleton’s being evidence of pathology, to…. (really, all of this and others — ooop there’s a new one just come in — was pretty funny the way she just told it).

    Sorry.

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  1272. on May 26, 2009 at 3:20 pm doug1

    maurice —

    (anyone who says this online stuff ain’t nothin’ don’t have a good one, I’m here to tell…)

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  1273. on May 26, 2009 at 3:24 pm Two X's

    Lady Rain,

    You left your son’s dad. You seem to treat the men in your life as disposable. Great, so you can support yourself and your boy materially, that doesn’t mean you can support your son emotionally.

    Whatever you feel about the content of this website, the guys are right, you are doing a bad job by your son.

    Grow up. Don’t date until you can treat men right — and instead of just looking for a man for YOU you’re ready to look for a father for your son.

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  1274. on May 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm maurice

    @doug – yeah, the “levelling” ideas you hit on are the alien growth of 60s left-liberalism, in the guise of (or fused with) equality-of-opportunity language. that’s the easiest way for them to get it through. and elites are unfairly bashed in both these arguments – they are necessary in society for tradition, leadership, education, etc. the idea is a meritocracy instead of some permanent caste (e.g., old-line WASPs)

    i thought your green-eyed muse had finals coming up? and now that you’ve taken your whirlwind romance off-line, how can the rest of us get such pleasure out of watching it unfold?

    also are you in the DC area or some other city? i am developing a mental map of the locations/professions of most of the other regular posters, esp. those with blogs, but haven’t seen you post anything about that.

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  1275. on May 26, 2009 at 3:30 pm fake roissy

    how to swoop a fly girl: distracting you from decline of civilisation in the west

    1. shun elevated english language, this makes her tiny female mind associate you with potbellied herby hipsters. your goal is to associate yourself with a caveman. if you must actually speak, swear in nine words out of ten. be sure to describe graphically what you’re thinking of doing to your target. see my other posts for ideas especially how when i address sara.
    2. go to the gym, refer to my buddy VK for best advice.
    3. after following no.2, wear as little clothing as is legal.
    4. also after following no.2, learn hand-to-hand combat.
    5. after following no. 4, use the dangerous gleam it gives in your eye to best advantage and fix it upon a helpless set. guaranteed threesome.
    6. after following no. 4, you may also simply whoop the ass of all competition.
    7. never take her number. swoop her the very same night, preferably at the same location.
    8. i will be producing a series of videos. simply imitate my greatness, fool.

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  1276. on May 26, 2009 at 3:38 pm maurice

    @fr – OK, let’s see the videos! i’ll do caveman game if I can get Raquel Welch in that fur bikini (circa 1967)…

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  1277. on May 26, 2009 at 3:40 pm Default G-Man

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 Custom suite
    2 Pocket square
    3 Cigarettes
    4 Drugs
    5 Money
    6 Booze
    7 Swoop, swoop, swoop

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  1278. on May 26, 2009 at 3:42 pm Default Slinger

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 make money 2 make money 3 build empire 4 tee hee hee 5 ask for blow job 6 more empire 7 count money 8 i love chiks 9 tee hee hee

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  1279. on May 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm Default Contrarian

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 Do not use game because quality girls do not need it.
    2 You are wrong

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  1280. on May 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm Default Alexander

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 Turn on computer
    2 Masturbate
    3 Bemoan status as a beta male.

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  1281. on May 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm doug1

    maurice–

    i thought your green-eyed muse had finals coming up? and now that you’ve taken your whirlwind romance off-line, how can the rest of us get such pleasure out of watching it unfold?

    We’ve been communicating off board for quite a while in addition to talking here. Well, I suppose only quite a lot after things got hot on the board a few weeks ago. Don’t worry, she’s not completely or permanently off this board. (Did you miss her appearance here last night starting around 10:30pm or so?)

    As for studying focus, I had to graphically threaten to take her over my knee just now over that self same issue.

    God, another one. (Perhaps that spanking threat was counter productive???)

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  1282. on May 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm Default Hope

    Re: Swooping girls:

    How can we define love. How can we define game. Love goes beyond swooping beyond anything we can really put into words.

    To take the path of swooping is to take a “darker” way. A way not based on the true light of love.

    Instead take the bright way of love and honest expression of yourself.

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  1283. on May 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm Default Sara I

    Re: Swooping girls:

    Fuck you roissy.

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  1284. on May 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm Default doug1

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 Flirt online
    2 Get e-mail address
    3 …

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  1285. on May 26, 2009 at 3:50 pm Tarl

    should they, can they, be strong enough to resist an expanding state seeking to protect expanding definitions of rights?

    We have seen in this country that the answer is probably “no” – but my point is that this was not the inevitable result of impersonal social forces put in place back when they ratified the Constitution. This was the result of a determined Leftist effort to undermine and subvert the Constitution for political gain.

    even today, no one says the Constitution means the “overthrow” of these things – but it does seek to control them. e.g., gay marriage

    This is the classic case of the Left abusing the Constitution in order to overthrow a traditional social and religious institutions and traditions! Less than a decade ago the very idea that the Constitution required gay marriage would have been unthinkable and violently rejected by the vast majority of Americans.

    Funny how all your examples of “state attempts to control” actually mean “state attempts the effective overthrow”. Conservatives are absolutely correct to interpret attacks on “illiberal aspects of church, family, and community as attacks on the institutions themselves. That’s exactly what they are!

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  1286. on May 26, 2009 at 3:56 pm Default User

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 Read Mystery book
    2 Re-Read Mystery book
    3 Read online forums
    4 Swoop
    5 Flakes
    6 Re-Read Mystery book
    7 Read online forums
    8 Swoop
    9 Flakes
    10 Re-Read Mystery book
    11 Read online forums
    12 Swoop
    13 Chick turns out to be Lady Rain
    14 Run
    15 Re-Read Mystery book
    16 Read online forums
    17 Swoop
    18 Chick turns out to be Biting Beaver
    19 Visit Hospital
    20 Consult with John Wayne Bobbitt
    21 Read Mystery book
    22 Re-Read Mystery book
    23 Read online forums
    24 …

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  1287. on May 26, 2009 at 3:58 pm TurkishThought

    Lady Rain

    To:Also I was lucky to only ever have ONE really bad relationship and that’s lucky these days. Someone also mentioned that having son makes dating harder. I have yet to run into a guy who looks “terrified” or anything like that when they find out I have a son. It hasn’t crippled my dating life in the slightest and it also weeds out men who aren’t understanding about things like me not staying out late/not having a sitter/etc. Guys who expect to be placed BEFORE my child don’t get a second date. You must be in the very small class of men who think a woman who takes responsibility for her child and her own finances is a “negative” to a man looking to date. A man who thinks like that is one I wouldn’t date to start with, so it’s kind of like a weeding out process that I don’t have to actually work at because they weed themselves out.

    Only a true beta would raise another man’s child for sex and companionship.

    Your 28, with a child…a smart men will have sex with you but than dump you. This leaves you with the chumps. Congratualtions!

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  1288. on May 26, 2009 at 3:59 pm maurice

    @Default – hilarious. way more fun that the decline of the west.

    @Tarl – points taken – i don’t disagree. you are right that left-liberalism interprets the Consitution in its own way for its own gain. but they think they’re the good guys. they really believe all this stuff about equality, fairness, etc. and that their way is the only way to do it. and they take no responsibility when things don’t turn out the way they expected. NONE – see: decline of the nuclear family. conservatives are equally sure they’re right, though, and the pendulum will swing again – but only as far as the ratchet allows it.

    decline, decline, decline. our only hope for redemption is to swoop chicks, spread alpha caveman seed as widely as possible, and breed a race of Siegfried-like supermen to redeem the world.

    @doug- you mean your virtual knee, i suppose. it would be so cool if a real-life romance oringinated in this blog…

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  1289. on May 26, 2009 at 4:00 pm doug1

    maurice–

    You see. One way or another she is here currently, entertaining you and others. The very bad girl.

    As for videos, if she won’t …

    Wait, what?

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  1290. on May 26, 2009 at 4:05 pm Default Beaver

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 Rapist
    2 Rapist
    3 Rapist
    …
    999 I have the pussy
    1000 I have the power
    1001 I take no prisoners
    1002 Rapist
    …

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  1291. on May 26, 2009 at 4:06 pm omw

    Default’s on a roll!

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  1292. on May 26, 2009 at 4:09 pm Anonymous

    To define any form of legal, political, or religious human organization as “collectivism” is really to abuse the term to the point of meaninglessness. Is that the true objective here – to render the term “collectivism” meaningless so that nobody will oppose it, and to tar the Right with the collectivist brush to weaken opposition to Leftist collectivism?

    B.S., Tarl. I’m a conservative myself, and more the paleo-type, if you’re using that phrase in the North American context.

    What you fail to realise is that left-wingery IS a form of conservatism, in the original, European meaning of the term. Like continental European states before the French Revolution, and still more before the industrial revolution, the true left-wing state promises as far as possible social security and permanent employment.

    Where the left-wing state differs, in theory, from pre-Revolutionary regimes is that it also promises democracy (or self-determination) and equality for all. In practise, of course, the left-wing state offers rule by the elite, with little autonomy and little equality for those who do not belong to it. It’s also monolithic and responds very slowly to changes in society, just like the old conservative monarchies.

    The first left-wing thinkers to try to compose a theory of the state and how it should function were in fact responding to what they saw (with some reason, in their own time) as the lawlessness, suffering, and chaos brought about by unfettered capitalism and the fall of the Old Regime.

    The genius of the American Revolution was that it tried, more or less successfully (until very recent times) to create a government system that made capitalism possible but also encouraged private “collectivism” to continue to function – the churches, voluntary organisations, the family. In France, one aim of the revolutionaries was to try to destroy many of these private institutions and collectivities as far as possible.

    If you still think I’m wrong to say that the Left is essentially conservative, ask yourself this question: why did most of the Catholic nations of Europe so readily accept the rise of Communist parties in their midst?

    Clio

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  1293. on May 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm TurkishThought

    To Biting Beaver

    I consider this blog an equivalent of rape.

    You crack me up. I believe by your defintion, every alpha and some beta’s are rapists.

    You have a warped sense of relationships. I feel almost pity. You must be one fugly woman to hate men so much. Do alpha men not cater to yoru every whim? Can you only attract meek, pock marked beta’s? Is this what it’s all about?

    You deserve to live in your miserable little world. Stay out of the real world and go back into whatever rock you crawled from.

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  1294. on May 26, 2009 at 4:11 pm Default Whiskey

    Re: Swooping girls:

    1 Become Alpha
    2 Become thugish
    3 Get tattoos
    4 Swoop every single girl
    5 Beta males revolt
    6 Society collapses (G-Man and David Alexander hit hardest).

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  1295. on May 26, 2009 at 4:12 pm Default User

    Normal service resumes.

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  1296. on May 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm maurice

    @doug – i was talking about fake roissy’s future caveman game videos.

    i can do most of the things in that list, btw, except i choose not to speak like an idiot. i’m happy to swear like a sailor most days, though, so maybe that makes up for it. wearing as little clothing as possible, with a buff gym physique? can’t that get into homo territory? don’t want to send out that vibe. hand-to-hand combat is where i fall down. did a triathlon recently, and am in pretty good shape, but fighting was never my thing. so i guess i lack that killer gleam in the eye. something to work towards in the twilight of civilzation.

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  1297. on May 26, 2009 at 4:25 pm chic noir

    lol@default with his lists. How come you didn’t give me one 😦

    BB, comment to welmer was a very low blow.

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  1298. on May 26, 2009 at 4:27 pm maurice

    @clio – OK, if “the true left-wing state promises as far as possible social security and permanent employment” – how is it conservative? based on the ideas of the same early-modern time-frame you cite. it’s a socialist utopia, Lumiere, Marx, Lenin – totally anti-conservative. In no way does traditional conservatism – church, family, community – promise equality of outcome.

    it does, however, seek to address the injustices of life through voluntary acts of charity – ex., the Catholic Church running orphanages, helping the poor, educating, etc. but NOT to supplant these functions with the state, which is what we have been talking about.

    So religions, like most venerable human institutions, has progressive and conservative elements. the progressive elements supported Communism – still do, in certain parts of Catholic southern Europe, because of the emphasis on social justice. but the reactionary elements supported Fascism – still do, in certain splinter groups – see the recent controversy about the Pope’s cardinal choices.

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  1299. on May 26, 2009 at 4:30 pm Comment_Whatever

    You know, I’d like it if some actual men responded and insulted me. Really. I won’t hold a grudge.

    All the feminine critique of my writing style is annoying.

    Could some of the men on this forum express offense? Or at least a semi-logical woman. I’m sure I annoyed one of you. Let me have it.

    Joe said:

    You obviously received some raw deal in life at some point you can’t get over. And you want to fight back and want justice and want a fairer world. I can get that. Fine. Respectable motivation. But you come off like a whiny petulant crybaby, not the defiant culture warrior you think you come off as. I’m sure not 100% of your bad breaks in life come from unfair society like you think but from the fact you alienate people by being a bitter, charmless and toxic guy with a iceberg sized chip on your shoulder ready to self-righteously attack anyone you even remotely suspect is is in collusion with the invisible forces keeping you down. You’re a martyr of self-pity always taking every contrary opinion as some personal attack specifically indicting you and your life.

    Life is unfair, liberals suck, the laws favor women, all that is true, but in your case most of your bad breaks probably just come from being an unlikable dick.

    End Joe

    If the wronged person stays quiet, then he will be wronged again. If he complains, then he will be labeled ‘hateful’, and that will justify wronging him again!

    Joe, I’ve heard that so many times I could type it myself. Why don’t you just say, with far less words:

    Joe simplified:


    People who complain deserve whatever happened to them. Ex Post Facto.

    Kamal pretty much contradicts himself every other sentence, so I’m not going to really respond except to point out some of the more wild inconsistencies.

    Kamal said:

    Your reading comprehension seems rigid and overly literal – to conclude that I, say, think slavery is a good thing, is a rather rigid and stupid reading.

    Not really. I just have a hard time combining it with:

    Kamal said:

    Some people live their whole lives and die never knowing the joy of true abandonment. In truth, it is a mutual surrender to each other, as a complementary pair.

    So whose the Master and whose the Slave in the complementary pair?

    But as I said, Kamal just says whatever sound good.

    Kamal S. Said:

    We live in an age of massive thoughtlessness and ignorance.

    Yes. We do. Can you believe someone wrote this:

    There is a dark and light side to the human imagination. If you fear it and refuse to look at it for what it is, accept it for what it is, and try to see how it works in the greater scheme of things then you wind up like a misogynist who cannot accept a woman’s vast psychological differences as being valid on their own level, natural yes, but they contradict all of his ideas of virtue and right. The times he’s been wounded by women, he refuses to accept them s what they are and condemns them for not being him.

    The first part can be summed up by “Whatever Any Woman Felt Is Right.” I’m sure it sells good.

    The second part:

    The times he’s been wounded by women, he refuses to accept them as what they are and condemns them for not being him.

    Or maybe he is angry because a specific woman hurt him with a specific action? Maybe you, Kamal, are pandering to that woman and absolving her of blame. All you are saying, really, is:

    Kamal simplified:

    ‘That other man just hates you because he doesn’t understand you, and you aren’t like him. I really understand you. Let’s fuck now.’

    End simplification

    Sounds very back-door man.

    Way to go ramping the thoughtlessness up in the name of getting some pussy.

    If only I could write huge long paragraphs of meaningless jabber. I’ve got to work on my meaningless words content.

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  1300. on May 26, 2009 at 4:31 pm maurice

    p.s. did the Catholic Church ever endorse Communist parties? After, say, 1917? I can see how certain sentiment of Catholic populations might have been pro-communist, per above, but I’d be surprised if it ever happened on more than an occasional basis.

    btw, what’s your position on alpha males swooping fly girls ? if you are a “paleocon” you’re probably agin’ it .. but then again, you are hanging out here …

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  1301. on May 26, 2009 at 4:33 pm Default User

    chic noir

    lol@default with his lists. How come you didn’t give me one

    I was very tempted to only quote the last sentence and give a smart aleky reply. But I still have some residual chivalrous/gentleman/nice guy tendencies left.

    Actually I did think of you, but I couldn’t latch on to your style the way I did with the others.

    I guess it would be something like (as I think of it more):
    *meet chick*
    [chick *dead faint*]
    *swoops chick*

    Do you approve?

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  1302. on May 26, 2009 at 4:33 pm Default Slinger

    Forgot have chick that already loves you when you have no money then move on to 1, 2, 3….

    He He He

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  1303. on May 26, 2009 at 4:34 pm chic noir

    Kamal said:

    Your reading comprehension seems rigid and overly literal – to conclude that I, say, think slavery is a good thing, is a rather rigid and stupid reading.

    Not really. I just have a hard time combining it with:

    Kamal said:

    Some people live their whole lives and die never knowing the joy of true abandonment. In truth, it is a mutual surrender to each other, as a complementary pair.

    So whose the Master and whose the Slave in the complementary pair?

    But as I said, Kamal just says whatever sound good.

    ______________________________

    end comment_ whatever

    Sweetie if you can’t get the meaning of Kamal’s paragraph, you are just wasting your time here. His second paragraph was about losing oneself to sexual ecstasy and love.

    *skips over to default*
    whatcha doing buddy?

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  1304. on May 26, 2009 at 4:36 pm chic noir

    you forgot to give me a lick default but otherwise I approve.

    Forgot have chick that already loves you when you have no money then move on to 1, 2, 3….

    He He He

    Me? golddigger?

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  1305. on May 26, 2009 at 4:38 pm Thursday

    Clio:

    I don’t think left liberalism can be classified as a form of conservatism, even in the European sense. Left liberalism is an attempt to remake society in a rationalized manner. It attempts, and and in many cases succeeds, in upsetting received ways of doing. Whatever the faults of European monarchs, they weren’t utopians and were not trying to transform the traditional customs of the people they were ruling over.

    Of course, it ends up aping a lot of features of traditional societies: hierarchy, ingroup, purity etc., but that just means that no society can really do without those things.

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  1306. on May 26, 2009 at 4:39 pm maurice

    @Comment_Whatever – i’m usually glad to see female points of view on here, but i didn’t respond because i didn’t read all those prior postsf. some of them posts were extremely long and long-winded (as you pointed out – novelists, you know who you are) and were tit-for-tat he-said-she-said kind of stuff, which i also rarely respond to. short posts are easiest to digest and respond to.

    although to be fair, getting some pussy is kind of the point of this blog – but you are right that “thoughtlessness” is not the way to go about it.

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  1307. on May 26, 2009 at 4:46 pm maurice

    @chic- I think that one was supposed to be Gunny again.

    @default – your own was funny in a self-deprecatory way – how many times to you have to read Mystery Method, though?

    @Thursday – agreed, you said what I was trying to say in a nicer way.

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  1308. on May 26, 2009 at 4:50 pm Thursday

    Clio:

    How familiar are you with Joseph de Maistre? He was so anti-rational that he felt written constitutions were worthless. Only the unconcious habits of a people were what mattered in the long term. Judging by the subversion of the constitution in the U.S., I’d have to say that his view is not without it’s merits.

    He has been slandered by Isaiah Berlin and others as a proto-fascist, but his actual emphasis is on custom and tradition more than on authority.

    BTW Maistre apparently had game. A man of immense charm and warmth, he wasn’t a libertine, so he did not use his powers to bed the women he encountered. But he was notorious for converting the ladies of the Russian court from Orthodoxy to Catholicism.

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  1309. on May 26, 2009 at 4:53 pm fake roissy

    delusional maurice who’s a transvestite marine mammal for the high crime of daring to defy me
    a bit of gayness works well for swooping. at least it does for me.

    ok, i will come clean. the real roissy has been taken by the feminists. here is his message as best as i could understand past the torrent of graphic threats he was disabling them into puddles of hormonal messes with (many fell to him, but there were too many, too many):

    rally the posts! gather the maxims! my battle is lost but your war has just begun! even if they take away our freedom, they can never take away the swooping!

    as long as you remember the commandments of poon, may rivers ever flow for you.

    disclaimer: fake roissy corporations cannot be held accountable for the validity and genuine nature of this message. it could’ve been cleverly disguised bb.

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  1310. on May 26, 2009 at 4:55 pm chic noir

    Comment whatever

    If only I could write huge long paragraphs of meaningless jabber. I’ve got to work on my meaningless words content.

    😳
    Ahhhhhhh

    Now I have it. You are jealous of Kamal ability to have e-panties thrown at him huh.

    Whiskey said that me who are able to have crowds of women adore them like Clooney and Decaprio trigger jealousy in other men. Could it that the e-panties thrown Kamal’s why have you angry???

    SMH as other people have told you stop being so bitter and add a bit of humor to your posts every now and then and maybe you can get some e-love too. In a way, you remind me of my( formally) dearest whiskey. What you lack is that underlying warmth that whiskey has when he isn’t ranting about the end of civilization because of too many women with too few men.

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  1311. on May 26, 2009 at 5:03 pm Default User

    Chic noir

    you forgot to give me a lick default but otherwise I approve.

    I never thought of “getting the licks in” as friendly. I will remember that in future.

    Because this is a public forum (with limited emoticons), the best I can do is 😉

    I hope that puts a 🙂 on your face, use your imagination and you might get to 😯

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  1312. on May 26, 2009 at 5:06 pm maurice

    @fake roissy- i refuse to believe our hero has fallen to the fembot armies. i will wait for the colors to come charging back over the hill. also, i wasn’t defying – your description of caveman game was great – was only outlining why it might not be the best fit for me. i do go to the gym a lot, but tend to stay away from the tight clothes. you may well be fake bb from yesterday – who knows – just post those caveman videos when they’re ready, eh?

    @thursday – i was aware of de maistre’s reputation as a fascist sympathiser but not realyl mny more than that. i’ll take a look. also, frankly, converting women to catholicism? impressive, in a way, but *not* the point of gamer as understood here?

    also, how do we know he didn’t swoop (bed) them? the interwar period was full of all kinds of decadent aristocrats and broken taboos…

    @chic – how may e-panties were there really?

    (*trying to atone for the sin of multiple political-science postings earlier today*)

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  1313. on May 26, 2009 at 5:10 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    Mua Mua hahahaahahahahahah

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  1314. on May 26, 2009 at 5:12 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    Gonna need a good vietnam era helo song default.

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  1315. on May 26, 2009 at 5:12 pm chic noir

    @maurice- there were about three. I can recall Mu getting a few pairs as well as whiskey when he was having a tender moment.

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  1316. on May 26, 2009 at 5:16 pm Cannon's Canon

    Wow, financials got beat to shit today. I can hear the pulsing war-drum of beta revolution growing louder. Squats, deadlifts, and 100 meter dashes to prepare.

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  1317. on May 26, 2009 at 5:16 pm Default User

    maurice

    @default – your own was funny in a self-deprecatory way – how many times to you have to read Mystery Method, though?

    Actually I never have. I have read bits and pieces of his (or similar) stuff.

    I have read other forum, articles etc. Mostly for me it is about getting into the right mindset. Too much detail (A1, A2 … C1… etc.) just fries my brain.

    I suppose the point for aspiring PUAs, or even those just looking to get better, is that you will not click every time.

    The real reason is that it is hard to mock your own writing style (because it is somewhat invisible to you).
    [I guess to parody my style I should have just included a YouTube video of a tenuously related pop song]

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  1318. on May 26, 2009 at 5:20 pm Anonymous

    Thursday: of course you’re right, and monarchic societies were (originally) too wedded to custom and tradition to truly resemble the new kind of rational state that left-wing theoreticians dreamt up. But the growth of “absolute monarchy” in the 17th century did begin to break down the control that custom and tradition once imposed on monarchical power.

    Maurice:
    @clio – OK, if “the true left-wing state promises as far as possible social security and permanent employment” – how is it conservative? because that is what traditional European societies did too; medieval and early modern Europe experienced less unemployment than people in modern capitalist states before the birth of the welfare state.

    based on the ideas of the same early-modern time-frame you cite. it’s a socialist utopia, Lumiere, Marx, Lenin – totally anti-conservative. In no way does traditional conservatism – church, family, community – promise equality of outcome.I didn’t say that it did. The promise of employment and social security does NOT amount to “equality of outcome”.

    it does, however, seek to address the injustices of life through voluntary acts of charity – ex., the Catholic Church running orphanages, helping the poor, educating, etc. but NOT to supplant these functions with the state, which is what we have been talking about. the state and the Church were hand-in-glove in the pre-modern era so that it’s hard to be sure of the truth of this proposition. However, the state in many protestant nations did take over some of the functions of the Church, wrt education, orphanages, and medical care.

    So religions, like most venerable human institutions, has progressive and conservative elements. the progressive elements supported Communism – still do, in certain parts of Catholic southern Europe, because of the emphasis on social justice. but the reactionary elements supported Fascism – still do, in certain splinter groups – see the recent controversy about the Pope’s cardinal choices.
    It wasn’t just the “progressive” elements in southern Europe that supported Communism. The Church’s emphasis on “social justice” attracted many people who might be called both progressive and reactionary. Anyway, what I was trying to say was that the culture of Catholicism in parts of Europe tended to make Communism more appealing in those nations than in others with a longer “classically liberal” tradition, esp. once the Church’s association with the State began to break down, depriving it of the power it had once had. BTW, Fascism is a collectivist, statist ideology too – just another alternative to Communism, and one that did not threaten to deprive everyone of their property. Both Communists and Fascists thought “individualism” and “liberalism” (in the old sense) were dirty words.

    Clio

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  1319. on May 26, 2009 at 5:21 pm maurice

    @default as gunny – you are giving off a “Tropic Thunder” vibe. Matthew McConaghey will run out of the jungle with the TiVo at any minute.

    @chic – OK, I didn’t notice. Kamal’s posts are extraordinarily long so i skipped over most of the latest ones.

    who do you throw yours to, besides whiskey?

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  1320. on May 26, 2009 at 5:26 pm Joe

    Comment-Douche:

    If only I could write huge long paragraphs of meaningless jabber. I’ve got to work on my meaningless words content.

    Don’t sell yourself short. Almost everything you post is meaningless jabber, much moreso than Kamal, whose comments actually have value (unlike yours most of the time). Your problem is that your meaningless jabber is unlikeable and not entertaining.

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  1321. on May 26, 2009 at 5:26 pm Tarl

    What you fail to realise is that left-wingery IS a form of conservatism, in the original, European meaning of the term. Like continental European states before the French Revolution, and still more before the industrial revolution, the true left-wing state promises as far as possible social security and permanent employment.

    Don’t have time for a long answer to this, but this is a completely false analogy and an abuse of history.

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  1322. on May 26, 2009 at 5:27 pm Thursday

    De Maistre was the foremost French language critic of the French revolution and the Sardinian ambassador to Russia. He died in 1821 and was known for his rectitude.

    For those who want to read more, I would suggest both Considerations on France and the St. Petersburg Dialogues. The latter though is only available in English in a prohibitively expensive, so you had better look for a library copy near you.

    Here is quote from the Dialogues:

    In the vast domain of living nature there reigns an open violence, a kind of prescriptive fury which arms all the creatures to their common doom. As soon as you leave the inanimate kingdom, you find the decree of violent death inscribed on the very frontiers of life. You feel it already in the vegetable kingdom: from the vast catalpa to the humblest herb, how many plants die, and how many are killed? But from the moment you enter the animal kingdom, this law is suddenly in the most dreadful evidence. A violent power, at once hidden and palpable … has in each species appointed a certain number of animals to devour the others. Thus there are insects of prey, reptiles of prey, birds of prey, fishes of prey, quadrupeds of prey. There is no instant of time when one creature is not being devoured by another. Over all these numerous races of animals man is placed, and his destructive hand spares nothing that lives. Man kills to obtain food and kills to clothe himself. He kills to adorn himself. He kills in order to attack and he kills in order to defend himself. He kills to instruct himself and he kills to amuse himself. He kills to kill. Proud and terrible king, he wants everything and nothing resists him . . .

    From the lamb he tears its guts and makes his harp resound . . . from the wolf his most deadly tooth to polish his pretty works of art, from the elephant his tusks to make a toy for his child: his table is covered with corpses. . . . But who [in this general carnage] will exterminate him who exterminates all the others? Himself. It is man who is charged with the slaughter of man … Thus is accomplished … the great law of the violent destruction of living creatures. The whole earth, perpetually steeped in blood, is nothing but a vast altar, upon which all that is living must be sacrificed without end, without measure, without pause, until the consummation of things, until evil is extinct, until the death of death.

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  1323. on May 26, 2009 at 5:28 pm chic noir

    Maurice- racer x and if not for my respect for brown suga, mu would gave gotten a pair.

    *clutches heart*
    *falls to floor*

    joe has killed me.

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  1324. on May 26, 2009 at 5:28 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    Naa Guns really is waiting on a helo.

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  1325. on May 26, 2009 at 5:31 pm maurice

    @clio – “because that is what traditional European societies did too; medieval and early modern Europe experienced less unemployment than people in modern capitalist states before the birth of the welfare state.”

    this is becuse pre-modern societies had pre-modern economies: feudal, subsistence farming. “unemployment” is a modern world, really, and what you are talking about may be the nobility’s obligations to the peasantry under feudalism.

    all that may be true about the interwar/depression period, but it was such an extreme outlier of a period politically (and fascinating to recall) that it is probably bad to extrapolate from it either backwards or forward in time. rupture is not the thing to focus on when examining long-term trends. but, all good points.

    you didn’t answer my question about swooping … trying to lighten the mood a bit …

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  1326. on May 26, 2009 at 5:31 pm Default User

    Gunslinger

    Vietnam Era ‘Copter Music

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  1327. on May 26, 2009 at 5:31 pm Darth Maul

    GUNS and CANNON,

    As we discussed previously, unfortunately, the $5.5 range to the $6 is still standing in front of the FAZ.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=FAZ&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

    I was just thinking about FAZ for some weird reason….nice bullish day in the market today….Crude holding above $60….

    Anyways, i still need to liquidate positions in EUR/JPY, CHF/JPY.

    Alright guys, have fun.

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  1328. on May 26, 2009 at 5:31 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    Dang Thursday that was one of the coolest things I have ever read.

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  1329. on May 26, 2009 at 5:33 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    Yea darth took me around 50 trades to pull within 1500 of even from my slight mess up with the irony last week. Was as bad as a 10k swing.

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  1330. on May 26, 2009 at 5:37 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    But yea 2 cent trades feel like work 50 pulse beating heart pounding trades from hell feels like an achievment.

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  1331. on May 26, 2009 at 5:37 pm Joe

    Comment-Douche:

    Joe, I’ve heard that so many times I could type it myself. Why don’t you just say, with far less words:

    Joe simplified:

    People who complain deserve whatever happened to them. Ex Post Facto.

    If that was really how I felt, I would also bash Welmer for complaining and being angry about what happened to him. But notice that I don’t. Because he’s not an overgrown baby who only knows how to use unwarranted arrogance, incoherent strawmen arguments or misinterpretation of his opponents to debate. He’s someone who actually uses venom coherently as a gift. Yet another strawman on your part.

    Allow me to correct you:
    Overreacting people who are incoherent unlikeable dicks with chips on their shoulders deserve what ever happen to them.

    Got it now?

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  1332. on May 26, 2009 at 5:38 pm Default User

    Gunslinger

    Regarding Vietnam Era ‘Copter Music:
    This is the one you really wanted, right?
    [Apocalypse Now – Ride Of The Valkyries]

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  1333. on May 26, 2009 at 5:38 pm maurice

    @default – yeah that’s right – he’s getting married. also, yeah, the Default DJ clips would have worked.

    @chic – racer X? really? his posts tend to feed into female rape/submission fantasies, as far as i can tell. not that that’s necessarily a bad thing if it works for you. more power to you.

    @thursday – OK, thanks for the info. so he was like a french Burke in philosophy? seems like he was a bit like St Augustine in the sense that he witnessed the world that supported his value-system be completely destroyed, which turned him to a pessimistic view of human nature – of a kind that Burke never reached.

    kind of a downer of a quote, eh?

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  1334. on May 26, 2009 at 5:41 pm Lady Rains Lil Bastard

    Stop hatin on my momma. She’s a strong independent women – that what she tells me when she waggles her head from side to side. She only hollas at me sometimes – when i hurt that cat and set fire to that barn.

    Some of the new daddies are nice. But not the one that put his peepee in my mouth. Momma kicked him to the curb!

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  1335. on May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    I think I can get the same excitement from 26 screens and still be winning. This one screen slow con shit though. I tend to push shit that isn’t really there to keep adrenaline flowing.

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  1336. on May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm Gaybuttox

    Chic Noir wrote :

    Me? golddigger?

    Um…Yes.

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  1337. on May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm Default User

    maurice

    @default – yeah that’s right – he’s getting married.

    Mystery is getting married?

    Is that M1 in his system?

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  1338. on May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm maurice

    i like the opening napalm-strike shot: “this is the end … my only friend, the end…”

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  1339. on May 26, 2009 at 5:47 pm maurice

    @default – i meant gunny – i thought he wrote that the other day. unless that was a joke and i didn’t understand the background.

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  1340. on May 26, 2009 at 5:48 pm Slinger waiting on a helo

    Deafult going to the hooch to listen to that shit. Thanks Bro

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  1341. on May 26, 2009 at 5:51 pm Cannon's Canon

    Darth Maul:
    Great call on that ceiling. FAZ closed under $5 once again today, all amidst negative housing forecasts and a GM bankruptcy. I can’t imagine how no one is concerned about just how overgeared American banks are. Servicers don’t bother to initiate foreclosure anymore; they’d rather write off the interest later, burying it for now in Accounts Receivable, than suck up the hard loss at a bank auction. Meanwhile, the headlines still predict another 10-15% drop in real estate nationwide, which my gut thinks is still conservative. I can’t see any way around massive inflation by the end of the year.

    I am trying to follow forex more actively of late. I would be interested in your opinion on the positions most negatively correlated to the USD, you know, should the worst happen.

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  1342. on May 26, 2009 at 5:54 pm maurice

    @gunny- you still have hooches? i’ll be there in january and we already got new apartments/office building. my buddy who was there a year ago had to live in a hooch.

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  1343. on May 26, 2009 at 6:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Maurice I am gettin hitched.

    LOL maurice there aren’t even apartments in kuwait

    Your recruiter lied to you lol

    but they have pretty much gotten rid of tents.

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  1344. on May 26, 2009 at 6:01 pm chic noir

    from maurice @chic – racer X? really? his posts tend to feed into female rape/submission fantasies, as far as i can tell. not that that’s necessarily a bad thing if it works for you. more power to you.

    HUH???
    since when?
    Racer X is an licker that’s why I like about his comments and blog posts. I must have skipped over that stuff.

    @gaybuttox- how so?

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  1345. on May 26, 2009 at 6:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    How bout the nuke test in north korea. Looking like doing good ain’t got no end.

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  1346. on May 26, 2009 at 6:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maurice what branch are you in?

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  1347. on May 26, 2009 at 6:16 pm Lady Rain

    Lady Rain’s Lil Bastard–

    1. Congratulations on being the only human on earth who thinks pedophilia with a 5 year old is funny.

    2. I don’t speak ebonics, please learn how to properly speak the English language before addressing me.

    3. You should be focusing on your studies instead of being on here, your high school years are very important…. go do your homework!

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  1348. on May 26, 2009 at 6:24 pm jackson

    I see Roissy is practicing the takeaway to increase our perception of his value. Expect him to drop his book any day now.

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  1349. on May 26, 2009 at 6:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    Listened to apoc song was cool bro

    Now listening

    Vietnam – A Hard Rain’s A Gonna Fall

    I get nastalgia for vietnam but never got to go (:

    Think there might be a tear

    Naaa

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  1350. on May 26, 2009 at 6:28 pm maurice

    @gunny – government, but not military. will be on the embassy compound in the green zone. there are apartments there.

    also – Congrats on the wedding! forgot to say so yesterday.

    @lady rain – good comeback – that was kind of a cheap shot.

    @chic- a “licker” ? don’t follow. but, no big deal.

    @cannon/darth/gunny – forex will be a better play once the dollar starts its inevitable fall – that will be a few yueasr from now when inflattion picks up. right now Treasuries are teh safe haven, and there are no good alternative currencies, but that will change quickly when the dollar is no longer a good store of value.

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  1351. on May 26, 2009 at 6:30 pm maurice

    @jackson – there’s a new post up. finally – i get a slow day and my new blog addiction let me down …political discussions aside …

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  1352. on May 26, 2009 at 6:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    You little fucker he he he

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  1353. on May 26, 2009 at 6:34 pm Lady Rains Lil Bastard

    momma, i didn’t tell about the bad daddy who put his peepee up my popo and said he liked you because you looked like a jewish tranny he once dated.

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  1354. on May 26, 2009 at 6:49 pm Lady Rain

    I’m not sure if this is meant to upset me or make me angry, but it neither. It’s mostly just weird and stalkerish. Should I be flattered?

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  1355. on May 26, 2009 at 6:55 pm lf

    why would anybody bother to respond to a post that already had 1300+ comments? you people are losers.

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  1356. on May 26, 2009 at 6:57 pm Lady Rains Lil Bastard

    momma – you should be lookin after me rather than posting worthless crap here or dancin on the pole.

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  1357. on May 26, 2009 at 6:59 pm Default User

    lf

    why would anybody bother to respond to a post that already had 1300+ comments?

    Because we are aiming for 1,500.

    Thanks for your help. Only 144 (after this one) to go.

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  1358. on May 26, 2009 at 7:35 pm Eurosabra

    Arpagus, if you are still reading: become a PUA. It is a lot better to be working on getting better even without success than to be stewing in one’s anger.

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  1359. on May 26, 2009 at 7:51 pm Tupac Chopra - SecretSociety Agent Man

    Thursday:

    In the vast domain of living nature there reigns an open violence, a kind of prescriptive fury which arms all the creatures to their common doom. As soon as you leave the inanimate kingdom, you find the decree of violent death inscribed on the very frontiers of life. You feel it already in the vegetable kingdom: from the vast catalpa to the humblest herb, how many plants die, and how many are killed? But from the moment you enter the animal kingdom, this law is suddenly in the most dreadful evidence. A violent power, at once hidden and palpable … has in each species appointed a certain number of animals to devour the others. Thus there are insects of prey, reptiles of prey, birds of prey, fishes of prey, quadrupeds of prey. There is no instant of time when one creature is not being devoured by another. Over all these numerous races of animals man is placed, and his destructive hand spares nothing that lives. Man kills to obtain food and kills to clothe himself. He kills to adorn himself. He kills in order to attack and he kills in order to defend himself. He kills to instruct himself and he kills to amuse himself. He kills to kill. Proud and terrible king, he wants everything and nothing resists him . . .

    From the lamb he tears its guts and makes his harp resound . . . from the wolf his most deadly tooth to polish his pretty works of art, from the elephant his tusks to make a toy for his child: his table is covered with corpses. . . . But who [in this general carnage] will exterminate him who exterminates all the others? Himself. It is man who is charged with the slaughter of man … Thus is accomplished … the great law of the violent destruction of living creatures. The whole earth, perpetually steeped in blood, is nothing but a vast altar, upon which all that is living must be sacrificed without end, without measure, without pause, until the consummation of things, until evil is extinct, until the death of death.

    Very cool.

    maurice (to Clio):

    you didn’t answer my question about swooping … trying to lighten the mood a bit …

    Maurice, I’ve been trying for months to get Clio to let down her hair, all to no avail. Here’s to hoping you have better luck than I do.

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  1360. on May 26, 2009 at 8:02 pm Arpagus

    Eurosabra–

    I will give it a try.

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  1361. on May 26, 2009 at 10:01 pm Kamal S.

    Darth

    GM Daily Range: 1.12 – 1.84
    Noticed it doing something like this for a few days.

    Partner and I started buying and selling on this pattern. I predict market makers are more or less just using it as a nifty little instant arbitrage piggy bank. I hope this trend continues and I don’t end up getting stuck holding the bag when its current trading pattern ends.

    CAR has been giving a nice opportunity to eak out .30 – .50 cent shifts constantly.

    I know almost nothing about Forex – the only exposure to foreign exchange was an old buddy once taught me how to buy cash Rubles from a certain bank in Belarus, sell it to another bank in London, and profit off the differential in the exchange rates. You do under $5k in cash to avoid fed. reporting requirements. But that was a one trick pony for me. Any suggestions on more information on actually understanding how Forex markets work?

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  1362. on May 26, 2009 at 10:50 pm Comment_Whatever

    Chic_Noir said:

    Ahhhhhhh

    Now I have it. You are jealous of Kamal ability to have e-panties thrown at him huh.

    Whiskey said that me who are able to have crowds of women adore them like Clooney and Decaprio trigger jealousy in other men. Could it that the e-panties thrown Kamal’s why have you angry???

    SMH as other people have told you stop being so bitter and add a bit of humor to your posts every now and then and maybe you can get some e-love too. In a way, you remind me of my( formally) dearest whiskey. What you lack is that underlying warmth that whiskey has when he isn’t ranting about the end of civilization because of too many women with too few men.

    I’m sure I COULD flirt better if I understood female thoughts better. I could even flirt better without lying or various other unsavory tactics.

    Like being ‘chivalrous’ to a single-mother, who chooses to have a kid with an abusive alcoholic and admits to sleeping with ‘the-more-tattoos-the-better’ guys in casual relationships. What he was really selling, and I know it’s chick crack, is ‘It’s No Big Deal’. He doesn’t even believe it himself. He says he doesn’t believe it in other posts. Still works.

    He then ‘It’s no big deal”s all female wrong-doing with men hate women for not ‘being like men’.

    Kamal said:

    The times he’s been wounded by women, he refuses to accept them as what they are and condemns them for not being him.

    Those men just don’t understand. If they really knew, just KNEW what their wife FELT when she divorced them because having sex with different men is so much more exciting than marriage, if they just KNEW that, then the men would be fine with it.

    IT’S NO BIG DEAL.

    Yeah, that’s chick crack. Now a lot of women have some idea of the problems slutting it up, or that giving into their desires with the wrong man can cause them problems. The less experienced the girl, the more careful she has to be with who she sleeps with. Maybe they watched a woman like Hope suffer through a decade of a horrible marriage because she ‘surrendered’ to the wrong man. So he then goes onto his grand-eloquent ‘glory of fucking’ post I quoted. No mention of the potential problems though.

    IT’S NO BIG DEAL.

    From a Game standpoint, I get it. You want to bypass the woman’s anti-slut defenses. And No Big Dealing her is a great way to do that. Preferably you want to make her horny while you do that. He does that pretty good to.

    His little speech, and how he ended it, could be taken whole-cloth and applied to the seduction stage of getting a woman into bed. Word-for-word. In fact, men, you can do just that. I’m sure Kamal used it to score before saying it here. Copy it, it works.

    IT’S NO BIG DEAL is a lie.

    Do I want to be better at flirting? Yes. So yeah, I’m jealous. Am I willing to sell ‘It’s No Big Deal’ to do that? No. It’s BAD. Am I disappointed that such crack sells? Why yes I am.

    So that’s all three reasons. Depending on your opinion of me, I’m sure you’ll find one you like.

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  1363. on May 27, 2009 at 2:48 am Welmer

    Comment_Whatever

    Those men just don’t understand. If they really knew, just KNEW what their wife FELT when she divorced them because having sex with different men is so much more exciting than marriage, if they just KNEW that, then the men would be fine with it.

    IT’S NO BIG DEAL.

    Actually, in the grand scheme of things, it really isn’t that big of a deal. Guys have sex with whores all the time. If their wives turn out to be whores, what’s the difference?

    Guys like Kamal instinctively understand this. Such an epiphany is perhaps the most disempowering thing that could happen to women. If they fuck around, they’re just whores, and there’s really no point in getting too worked up about it. Sure, you don’t want to pay for a kid that isn’t yours, and you don’t want to pay any alimony either way, but the little slut just did what’s natural to her.

    If you’re going to get mad about anything, it should be about the kids and the money. Getting over a cheating bitch is easy — getting over 20 years of child support and custodial interference not so much.

    It is probably wisest to go into the game assuming that the woman is a slut. Just take it for what it is. In some (maybe most) cases, you might actually want to thank a guy for taking the high-maintenance pain in the ass off your hands.

    That’s one of my rules of thumb: as soon as she starts complaining about not getting enough money, just let her fly, fly away.

    Not too long ago, I met a 40 year old black guy who just got out of prison, and he was driving a nice SUV. I said “nice ride,” as I looked and noticed the hot, 20-something girl in the front seat. He said “Oh, that’s my girl’s car.” I said “not bad,” and he replied with something like “just take what life gives you.”

    Now we’re all that black ex-con. What did Janis Joplin sing? “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose…”

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  1364. on May 27, 2009 at 9:14 am Rum

    N. Korea is about to invade S. Korea. They did it before. They lost then because they did not have a nuclear deterent.

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  1365. on May 27, 2009 at 10:12 am mandy

    Rum

    The USA has already been taken over by Marxists, even with a nuclear deterrent.

    At least a united Korea can have a unified, shared culture, heritage and ethnicity. In the long run this may lead to a better and stronger nation that is a puppet of neither the US nor China.

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  1366. on May 27, 2009 at 12:38 pm Anonymous

    Gotta get in on this post, but not willing to read comments so I’ll go off-topic.

    Being a French-American man in DC myself, I enjoy reading this blog. However, the entire concept of “pick-up” and “game” is a symptom of the degeneration of society. I’m not saying it’s bad, I just lament the conditions that make it necessary.

    Personally, I concern myself more with the anti-male sexism in family courts and other areas. I encourage the men here to explore this topic and get involved if you can. I’m all for individualism, but if men do not start looking out for each other in a broad sense, things are going to continue to get worse for us. Working on your “game” because America has become hostile to men is like looting during Katrina. You’re fighting for scraps.

    It might not be fair for me to say this, since I have pretty good “natural” charm. I understand that for many men this subject can be empowering. All I ask is that you go beyond the selfish applications and use your knowledge and confidence to secure a better future for your brothers and sons.

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  1367. on May 27, 2009 at 5:53 pm Kamal S.

    “…Being a French-American man in DC myself, I enjoy reading this blog. However, the entire concept of “pick-up” and “game” is a symptom of the degeneration of society…”

    I believe that the entirety of our culture’s male / female romantic and erotic culture is a massive hammer inspired sore red thumb symptom and cause, in a queer little feedback loop, of the degeneration of society. This is not to say I romanticize what came before, but most people with some discrimination and perception notice that our society’s degenerated in many ways; cause and effect spawning symptoms, symptoms growing into causes of further degeneration.

    The choices you describe are not mutually exclusive. Indeed I think that the formation of a coherent male authored body of dissent with the current state of things has long been in progress.

    But our society is a sweater with so many loose threads that isolating the one most crying for personal attention is maddening.

    With each generation, indeed each decade, the ability of people to see, actually see, where the lie of continual social progress led society fatally astray dims. So reformers end up attacking symptoms and not fundamental problems.

    In truth, one can easily argue that things have been going down hill into the proverbial pisser for quite some time, far longer than most would even suspect. And the general propensity of people to only see the surface, miss nuances and details, and ignore things critically important to them, needs to be accounted for.

    The dating culture and scene is the arena in which the reproductive and mating sweepstakes plays out in the West, in particular in America. Yes, there are options, but we are talking about the bulk of society. Lest an entire generation of men and women simply opt out of mating, a proposition that will not happen, we will war, spar, love, and mate, together all at the same time in this absurd and senseless battle of the sexes.

    Given that it is somewhat of a zero sum game, what options do men have?

    Welcome to the kali-yuga, enjoy a cigar and have a seat.

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  1368. on May 31, 2009 at 2:52 pm sara I

    chic noir

    OOOOO WHEEEE honey. Check this out. If this doesn’t get you going in the morning nothing will.

    http://www.nme.com/video/id/nSZtqChhNZg/search/Shaun+Escoffery

    More later….. Fear not, my pets.

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  1369. on June 1, 2009 at 1:23 pm sara I

    Gunslinger

    Jesus put sara down for taking alimony for 4 years

    Life really sucks when even Jesus doesn’t practice unconditional love.

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  1370. on September 2, 2009 at 4:12 am Gublo Intez

    Ok, so from reading almost all of the comments, I am somewhat confused.

    1) Most of you devalue women to an extreme degree (ie: the use of words like “slut” and other similar slurs, the terms in which you speak of women like objects to be “pumped and dumped”, and obsession of women based upon looks alone).

    2) Then you whine about how you expect a woman not only to be an uber sex pot who gives sex on demand, makes babies and is the total homemaker submissive, while also making big bucks.

    3) Then you whine about how you’re confused why so many women don’t want you when they’re doing all that shit and all you can offer is your lousy paycheck.

    4) Then you whine about how evil “feminists” are the reason that men can’t expect women to be perfect and fulfill your fantasies while also being completely disposable interchangeable playthings, just like the “good old days” (and somehow, you find nothing wrong with the fact that the “good old days” involved women being treated like animals to be bred and sold and often abused).

    5) And then you go on about how well you’ll make women “want” you by acting like an ass; which any half-intelligent and sane woman (and considering your collective view that women are all crazy bitches, you obviously seem to only go for the damaged types since they’re the only one’s who will respond to you-which you shrug off by saying stuff like “the rest are ugly fat whores anyway”), would smell a mile away and would only try and use you back.

    6) And then, a good portion of you go on to idealize how a “woman should get married and have tons of kids and stuff” (while bitching out the woman who came on here and basically told you that she could function completely well without all of you-which is what you guys crow on about being able to do to women). And you moan and complain about how important father figures are and how men are so important, all the while sprinkling your posts with toxic allusions to “pump and dump” and “whores” and “women are replaceable pieces of shit” and whatnot. I am also utterly confused as to how you always complain about how women are always “trying to get money” through alimony/child support, but then bitch out a woman who comes onto this site and talks about how she did not “trap” her child’s father into anything at all?

    So I really don’t get it.

    Are you guys simply deluding yourselves into these rigid gender roles because they’re so much better than the idea that gender roles could be fluid, or are you truly women haters and simply like the idea of getting things back to the point where women are stripped all their rights, educational opportunities and reduced to basically animals without any power that you can use and abuse at will?

    Because I cannot see any situation in which, from the way you talk, the majority of you would *ever* be a good father figure by teaching your sons to become slimy woman-hating user-abusers who dehumanize an entire gender based on their genitalia.

    And I cannot understand why you guys don’t seem to be able to understand that most of you are not “nice guys” and never really were. You were simply passive-aggressive assholes who were too afraid to be overt like the active-aggressive assholes.

    There are truly “good men” out there, and being a true man has much less to do with manipulating women and “pumping and dumping” them and WHINING UP THE WAZOOO about how unfair and oppressed you guys are, and how it isn’t your toxic personality that is pushing them away-oh no-it’s because women are crazy bitches and you’re just SO NICE that they can’t see it.

    I’m sorry, but there are plenty of great guys who have NO PROBLEMS picking up attractive, intelligent women.

    You simply have deluded yourselves into thinking reactively; as though it is a woman’s JOB to do everything for you, while you simply “pay” for her undying servitude simply by contributing a cock and a paycheck.

    I’m sorry, but considering that the woman is expected to do *everything* including bring home an income, I don’t really see what her incentive is to cowtow to some jerk with an inflated ego who has little more to offer than bitching, whining, butthurt and more than a little bit of a frightening undercurrent of rampant misogyny.

    These are guys who hurt women. These are guys who blame women. These are guys who chop up women into little tiny pieces and everyone says “but he seemed so normal!” People who treat women like it is THEIR FAULT, as though their failures and their personality dysfunctions are the problems of the women in society at large, are projecting their own problems and thereby absolve themselves of their behaviors towards said people. These are the people who say “bitch MADE me do it” when a woman is murdered after being viciously sexually assaulted.

    As far as I’m concerned, I see such a following, being misleadingly treated as a “movement to empower men”, as both dangerous and destructive, both to women of society and the men who follow it, hoping that the despair and fear that they have can be “solved” by simply taking it out once again on the historically disadvantaged minority group.

    Maybe you guys should ally yourselves with the KKK. I hear you have a lot in common. You also seem to have more in common with the femnazis than you think.

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  1371. on October 7, 2010 at 11:42 am Anonymous

    Disgustingly brilliant

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  1372. on January 25, 2011 at 6:24 am Jimmy

    Lady Rain has no idea what quotation marks are or how they are used.

    Stupid people are still funny in 2011. Go figure.

    Long live the internet!

    Oh and based off the first 50 comments or so, it seems her son has been shafted on both ends of his gene pool. Life’s not fair =(

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