A lot of guys fret about meeting their girlfriends’ parents, but it’s important to do so for reasons having nothing to do with making a good impression. Your girlfriend will never catch onto the real reason you went with her to visit her parents: To collect vital information on how badly and how quickly your precious flower will wilt over the years.
Nothing — not your girlfriend’s eating or exercise habits, her worldview, or her desire to please you — will tell you more about how she will age than what her parents look like. Genetic fate uber alles. I know it’s difficult to grasp that the cutie who gives you solid wood could one day turn into the sunbathing walrus that is her mother, but no man should underestimate the brutal toll ten to twenty years takes on a woman’s looks. And brutal it is. Her beauty will begin the slow fade after 25, and then plummet like a rock over Angel Falls after her early 30s. The uglier and fatter her mother, the harder and faster your sweet rose will smash into the wall.
You’ve seen those incomprehensible mother-daughter pairings at the mall. That’s what awaits you. Remind me again what’s the upside to getting married?
Every man should be pushing his entire life to date women at least ten years younger than himself, with the average gap growing wider the older the man gets to account for the massive deleveraging of women’s sexual market value after age 35. Remember, 35 in female years is 50 in male years. So your schedule should go like this: You hit 30? Date 20 year olds. When you’re 40, don’t go higher than 30. 50 and you set the upper limit at 35. If you’re especially high status, you can adjust the optimal age gap to twenty years. Of course, this plan is a lot easier to do as a free, unmarried man.
The mother-daughter coefficient of fading beauty is such an accurate predictor of the daughter’s future beauty decline that it’s a wonder more men don’t visit their girlfriends’ parents to size up their beloveds for their worth as long term partners. When men commit to a single woman, they are making a huge sacrifice, similar to the sacrifice women make when they have sex with a beta. It’s a cramping of style. So men would be wise to unblock any information bottlenecks regarding the expiration date of their girlfriends, and that means sizing up her parents for a glimpse at your honeysuckle’s shelf life. This is where I can help.
Let’s say you’re dating a hot, slender chick. Now let’s say you’re thinking about going the distance with her and foreswearing all other women to be with just her. Whoa, tiger! Don’t make any hasty decisions until you’ve consulted my handy chart for determining how your cute girlfriend will hold up after ten years. To help you realize the power of my chart, you’ll need to know what your girl’s parents look like and what they looked like back when they were young.
The daughter The father The mother The daughter
looks like looks like looks like in 10 years
the father Clark Gable a manatee still hot, but check
for telltale signs like
upper arms or thick
wrists that resemble
mom’s
the father an inbred a former *future fatty alert*
from his youth beer keg hottie keep her away from
beer and beef jerky
the mother a fat redneck a MILF still hot, but dump her
if she drinks schlitz with
her dad in the garage
the mother a normal the seacow *future fatty alert*
from her youth dude formerly known expect massive
as princess weight gain
neither a herb a plain jane *wildcard* proceed
with caution
both, before a fat slob a fat slob *DANGER* cut and run
they got fat after monopolizing
her best years
both handsome still fuckable *winner* she’ll stay fresh
for years. get down on one
knee and… tie your
shoelace
There’s an interesting side effect to the mother-daughter coefficient of fading beauty. Oftentimes, a cute chick with an ugly, fat mom will have low self esteem because she has spent her life in the shadow of her future self. She has probably had nightmares about turning into her mother, and as a result does not perceive her own beauty very well. Insecure hotties are often the best kinds of chicks to date. They will always strive to earn your approval while you will have to pinch yourself that it can be this easy. You should jump at the chance to visit her parents because she will feel ashamed of her fat mom, and that shame will redound to her own feeling of self-worth. For added impact, raise your eyebrows in surprise when you meet the mother, and tell her her daughter mentioned she was a great cook.
This applies to men as well though. You can be a PUA in your 50s. By then you’d have to rely on money to get girls. So sorry, Roissy, but you can’t keep this up indefinitely.
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You can’t*
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I have met many men who are accomplished swordsmen at 50 (some, well after that), banging much younger babes. They are decent looking, in good shape, and financially stable; none have been rich as we mean the term today. Money helps, surely, but it’s not just about that. As always, it’s about your ‘tude, bro.
You don’t want to be trolling bars filled with 23 year olds if you’re 57, but there are places where you can hunt for the 30-35 year olds with ease and in comfort.
For the record, I’m in my late 30s, and I’ve received excellent mentoring from my more senior brothers – you can learn a lot from a guy who’s been hauling in the poon longer than you’ve been alive.
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“you can learn a lot from a guy who’s been hauling in the poon longer than you’ve been alive.”
The hard part is finding and meeting them. I for one would welcome mentorship from a finanically successful older player.
Also- the chart is true. Women I knew who were hot when they were young are porking up and looking like their moms now that they’re in their late 20s. The obesity inducing foods of the typical American certainly not helping matters.
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Roissy: Excellent methodology there. Another fine reason to visit her folks is that, in addition to looks, the family dynamic is worth watching closely. If mama is a ball-busting bitch who runs roughshod over pathetic old dad at every opportunity, run – don’t walk – for the door and never look back. Conversely, if mom is a nice lady who has traditional gender views and treats you decently too, because you’re a man (sadly, this is rare in the USA today), you might have a keeper.
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Aenigma: I’m lucky to live in an area with a good age spread, and a lot of accomplished older guys, so finding the older stud mentors is pretty easy. The best evenings are when you get a really diverse, loose hanging posse and go hunting, mother-daughter teams become perfectly doable targets then … let the good times roll.
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My sidekick looks exactly like her mother did when she was young. Her father is vigorous and handsome, a total womanizer who is still chasing skirts…and he is in his 80s! The mother hasn’t held up as well as the father, but she is still petite and fairly attractive (in her late 50s). Any predictions?
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abe
“This applies to men as well though.”
No it doesn’t.
“You can’t be a PUA in your 50s.”
Sure you can. There always has been and with changes in society it will be even easier in the future.
“By then you’d have to rely on money to get girls.”
You should be rich at 50 anyways.
It’s America for Christ’s sake.
– MPM
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If you are going to marry, marry young.
I used to say 6 years ago (before I 86’d the idea of marriage):
“My future wife’s parents haven’t even met yet”.
– MPM
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If mom looks like a manatee, keep in mind she had at least one child (the daughter) and perhaps more. Nothing packs on the pounds like having a kid. If, on the other hand, you plan to go with the “no kids” plan, it should be easier for the daughter to retain her slender figure rather than porking up like mom as time passes.
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I also look at the girl’s wrists and hands. Delicate bone structure with lovely hands shows her unlikely to have fat-accumulating tendencies.
My father-in-law is an alpha Tony Soprano-lookalike. Good for boy-children, not so much for girls. Luckily Mrs. PA takes after her mom, still an atttractive woman.
Another good sign: if her family seems temperate in their vices. No smoking or drinking (with leeway for the dad/brothers) and frugality with money.
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Every man should be pushing his entire life to date women at least ten years younger than himself, with the average gap growing wider the older the man gets to account for the massive deleveraging of women’s sexual market value after age 35. Remember, 35 in female years is 50 in male years. So your schedule should go like this: You hit 30? Date 20 year olds. When you’re 40, don’t go higher than 30. 50 and you set the upper limit at 35.
Half your age plus 7.
(0.5 * Man’s Age) + 7 = Girl’s Age
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Nothing packs on the pounds like having a kid.
All too often it’s nothing but a convenient excuse for pregnant chicks to pull all stops and gorge like there is no tomorrow.
It doesn’t have to be that way.
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PA,
“Another good sign: if her family seems temperate in their vices. No smoking or drinking ”
Applies more to American Girls.
If you are dating a fly Spanish girl, the smoking and drinking thing doesn’t matter.
– MPM
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Esq.
Just moved to the Bronx in NYC. Planning on hitting up Manhattan in my spare time- no idea where to go yet, I know nothing about the city; I’m sure I’ll learn more about it as time goes on seeing as I’ll be living there for the next 4 years. No doubt that I’ll meet pleanty of interesting people as well.
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G Manifesto – hey, I used to party with hardcore vodka-shooting, Marlboro-smoking girls who’d pass out in my bed with their tops off. Lovely girls, good times.
But I was 32, they were 19-24. I’d hate to see them now.
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If you’re gonna be with a chick for ten years(!), you’re doing it wrong.
Fuck & Chuck.
Which also means you shall not meet her friends/parents/relatives. Neither shall you let her meet yours.
This is as meaningful as a relationship between a man and woman can get. In the 21st century.
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I wonder if this could be changed by monitoring their diet? How much of the aging is due to the food they’re eating I wonder. Most girls probably cook the same type of food that their mothers cooked because they are familiar with it. That would lead to them ending up looking like they’re mothers.
On the other hand, I think of beauty and health as both being “genetic capital.” If you’re parents don’t have it, you won’t, but you can improve the chances for your children and grandchildren. The Pottenger cat experiment gives more insight into the phenomena: http://completebody.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/the-pottenger-cat-experiment/
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“cutie who gives you solid wood could one day turn into the sunbathing walrus that is her mother”
So sad, but so true.
Its amazing what has happened to some former hotties I knew from back home. They aren’t even fuckable now. Two kids should not do that to a woman, but it often does. The cellulite, the stretch marks (oh! those grotesque bellies!), the ass *deflating* and falling two full inches as the muscles in the glutes atrophy (better keep doing those knee bends ladies), the sagging breasts, the peterbellies, the eye-wrinkles, the mouth wrinkles (especially on smokers), the aged necks (like turtles), the fugly hands, the loss of adipose tissue in the skin that gives that youthful look, the moustaches. ……………..you just dont want to believe it.
Men can have position, power, a large cadre of friends and professional allies/associates, but women are primarily a sum of their physical attraction……………….so as the years go by he can do things to maintain his level of attractiveness much better than what she can. Maureen Dowd is a perfect example of a woman who is perplexed and distressed that the attraction buttons dont work the same on men. Men dont care that she is a columnist at the NY Times, and has an “impressive” social circle, and has monied, erudite friends. It doesn’t make up for her fading looks (which were probably really impressive as recently as her 30’s). Thats why Michael Douglas married the hotter and younger Catherine Zeta Jones even though she was just a mid-level actress at the time with only one hit theretofore (Zoro). For women, being hot trumps all, but not so for men. Life ain’t fair in this regard, but thats the way it is.
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agree with esquire- the parental inter-gender dynamic is as important as the looks. after all, a woman can lose weight if there’s enough will power, and educated people generally are more aware of how to eat/exercise than in previous generations. (the opposite is true for less educated people.) but the wiring absorbed in childhood, on how mom treats dad, is *much* harder to change or overcome.
roissy is right – check out the ‘rents as soon as you possibly can, if there’s LTR potential.
@esq- where is this place? do tell. scottsdale leaps to mind – a lot of older rich people but a growing, happening scene for the young beautiful people, or so they say.
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Oh yeah – and no marriage to a suntanning junkie.
Alligator skin with deep, brown vertical cleavage furrows at 40. Gross!
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Recently, on one of those social sites, there was a woman in the “You may know this person” box that I did not recognize, but who did seem familiar. Clicking the picture brought me to the profile page and a blown up version of the picture. I looked at her and looked at her. Then I looked at her name.
I dated this girl for 2 1/2 years. She was my first love. We broke up when we were 21.
She had gone from an upper 8/lower 9 to a 5, at best. I could see the individual parts that matched to my memory of her, but the whole didn’t add up. Looking at more pictures, there was one of her mother at a similar age. Then it hit me.
The face looked familiar because she looked just like her mother did. My ex, herself, I did not recognize as my ex at all.
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I taught my son the ‘get a good look at her mother’ rule early on. He never wasted too much time on any girl without observing it.
You add good relevant qualifiers (dad’s genes are half the mix and all), but I generally distill it to a simple rule of thumb (admittedly less sophisticated than your chart):
## In 20 (to 25) years, she will be her mother. ##
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Lurking
Half your age, plus 22, minus half your age again.
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@PA- true dat. long-term skin damage is easy to avoid.
i recall someone on this site in a recent thread said something to the effect that testosterone produces some side effect that reduces skin wrinkles as men age (compared to women)? does anyone remember that?
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A fat father is probably not a big deal so long as the girl’s mother is still relatively decent. So many men pork up something wicked after age 35 or 40 that having a father who can’t see his d*ck without a mirror doesn’t necessarily mean much.
Peter
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LOL. I am almost exactly category 1- I look so much like my dad that I don’t even look related to my mom. And my dad is very frequently compared to a number of movie stars. OTOH, I don’t find my mom attractive. She has good skin and no wrinkles since she is dark, but I think she’s too fat and she doesn’t carry it well. I also don’t think her face is pretty anymore though it used to be. I think that with some minor plastic surgery, I should be able to remain a daddy’s girl.
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I also look at the girl’s wrists and hands. Delicate bone structure with lovely hands shows her unlikely to have fat-accumulating tendencies.
One caution, however … a girl with a delicate bone structure will have difficulty handling extra weight. A mild weight gain that would be barely noticeable on most women may look terrible on her.
Peter
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“I also look at the girl’s wrists and hands. Delicate bone structure with lovely hands shows her unlikely to have fat-accumulating tendencies.
One caution, however … a girl with a delicate bone structure will have difficulty handling extra weight. A mild weight gain that would be barely noticeable on most women may look terrible on her.”
True. My mother can’t carry weight for this reason. She’s about 130 and maybe 5’2″, which isn’t terrible for a woman in her 50s, but she was 90 lbs in her 20s. 130 lbs on her looks almost as bad as obesity.
I can’t tell if I am like my mother since she weighed so little in her younger years, but I will say that like hell I would ever let myself get fat. I don’t care if I have to staple my stomach shut, I am never ever porking up.
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Roissy is right to stress genetics over diet and environment. I’m old enough to see the truth in that: despite access to better diets, better workout regimes and more information, women still tend to follow their mothers’ shape. This applies applies to the US, France and Russia, my areas of knowledge. Dating women from countries with an emphasis on dietary moderation, such as France and Spain, may help. Euros tend to age better.
And @Esquire’s advice about the family dynamic is gold.
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now that you’ve hammered out the fatties, it’s time you take on the crazies: pill popping moms, DUI dads, and weird uncles.
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I can’t agree with you more. I’m now dating a decent redheaed that’s 24 and I am 43. Her mother is only 49.
All it took was a quick conversation at the store(her employment) to ascertain her interest and a call back to get a date set up.
I think one of the things men fear most is failure. the way I see it, if I don’t ask her out I gain nothing. If I ask her out and she rejects me, I gain nothing. But if I ask her for a cup of coffee after work, than the upside is great. So why not take the risk.
i work for a fortune 50 company and so many fo the men here are bright and young but single. They lack the ability to take risks int heir personal lifes.
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Before this thread gets completely boring, here’s some fun for the day – rip apart this site and all the bullshit in it http://www.loveguru.net/
Note the part “for men” http://www.datingtipsfordudes.com/
There’s so much stupid on that site I wouldn’t be surprised if Roissy made this into a front page post.
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@Mr Primitive
Is the proportion of women that hit the wall extremely hard different by country? If so, it might mean there is a link to lifestyle and aging. In any case, your experience shows the necessity of meeting the parents where ever you go.
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PA
“G Manifesto – hey, I used to party with hardcore vodka-shooting, Marlboro-smoking girls who’d pass out in my bed with their tops off. Lovely girls, good times.”
Excellent times.
“But I was 32, they were 19-24. I’d hate to see them now.”
True.
A fly Spanish girl, with good genetics, good diet of Spanish food, wine drinker and smoker.
They are built to last.
Most American girls have terrible diets.
– MPM
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While I am sure you all want to bash the ungrateful feministic american women for letting themselves go the most, the women that gain the most weight in their lives are actually the least feminist- Arab women get the most obese.
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I tire of these neuraesthenic whiners telling our mighty leader that “he can’t keep doing this forever.” In fact, he can. I’m nearly 40 (though I look 30, thanks to mom and dad and the york barbell company). My last date was 20. My yoda-like Bachelor Mentor is in his late 60s, and still bangs 30-somethings, despite looking like an apple-head doll. If I make it to my late 60s, I don’t really care if chicks dig me any more. I’ll buy a dog and take up sailing or something.
This chart is genius. Personally, I just look at mom, but if she looks like her handsome dad, she will be better preserved even if mom looks like a bowling pin.
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Countries that put limits on reckless female behavior (drinking, smoking, eating junk, getting tattoos) and encourage femininity (charm, obsession with looks) will have a healthier stock of older women, regardless of genetics.
That’s why women hit the wall a lot earlier, and a lot harder, in the U.S. than in say, Colombia. An average woman in her 30s there will far outshine an average American girl in her 20s. Women in their 40s have even turned my head.
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Esquire,
Can you stress-test this idea for using a pre-nup to reduce the probabilities that a man would get sent into the slavery of child-support bondage?
A pre-nup cannot stipulate child support or custody, but can getting her to pay the legal fees of both parties apply here (thus making it more of an uphill battle for her, resulting in a lower chance of her trying in the first place)?
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Good article by Roissy, that some of the more bitchy female commenters will be afraid to comment on (just like the last one on Game stumbling blocks).
For example, airheads like Chic Noir insist that women give up more than men by getting married. This arrogance shows, among other things, that women have no awareness of how quickly their looks fade after the age of 30.
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And in a small way, for once a post on the decline of female attractiveness as women age makes me feel a smidge better.
In the highly-lauded Eastern European/Russian places older women … well, they’re not using still described as “yummy”. (even compared to women of comparable age.)
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Maurice: I am in a mid-sized Eastern city with a fair amount of old money, WASPy shit, plus a boating vibe — the senior studs here are fun and great to mentor you when you need some guidance. Most are financially comfy, and they get a lot of tail. Above all, they teach you the long game, which younger men intrinsically lack.
Tood: You can try anything you want in a p/n, but I’ve never seen c/s much affected by it, it’s statutory and not much flexibility there, I’m afraid.
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You can try anything you want in a p/n, but I’ve never seen c/s much affected by it, it’s statutory and not much flexibility there, I’m afraid.
But can the pre-nup stipulate that the party who files for divorce has to pay the legal fees of both sides?
Please read the linked comment for the full description. I know CS cannot be changed, but the man can still indirectly erect one more layer of defense from the worse case scenario, if this holds (or can’t he?).
Your comments are much appreciated.
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Why would anyone want to avoid paying child support if it’s your kid, the amount is reasonable, and you have half the custody?
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Tood: I haven’t seen a p/n with that, but I suspect such a stiuplation would get thrown out, particularly if the marriage lasted more than a couple years. You can put almost in a p/n you want (that she’ll agree to, of course), but no promise it’ll be found binding, say, 17 years later.
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Esquire,
So virtually *anything* in a pre-nup gets thrown out after a long enough time has passed?
How is it that wealthy people, with multiple generations of family wealth on top of high current income, manage to not be subject to these divorce laws? Such families have a lot of experience in thwarting gold-diggers, so how do they manage to not get cleaned out by their sons getting married and divorced?
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“Why would anyone want to avoid paying child support if it’s your kid, the amount is reasonable, and you have half the custody?”
@PA —
Actually, PA, if you have half custody, then the c/s amounts are low. The idea of c/s is that if one parent has custody and the other does not, one parent is incurring more costs than the other, and hence the transfer payment. If most custody situations were shared, then the c/s payments would be quite low — one of the main reasons groups like NOW are against shared custody. It would take away the right of women to be paid by their ex-husbands because they had kids with them.
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Some real food for thought on this flow chart, too bad it doesn’t align better on the page.
Knew this one hottie when I worked on Wall St. and she would starve herself all the time even though she had a beautiful slender figure. Then her mom came by the office once. And it was all clear. A colleague who worked with her said she remarked she was afraid she’d look like her mom, who was quite rotund. She would eat so little, at times she would put her head on her desk because she didn’t feel well. It was because she was eating so little in the day.
@ The G Manifesto
I’m taking a guess you speak Spanish fluently or a native Spaniard who can move easily in the Barca and Buenos Aires. Mucho, much envy. Last used my high school Spanish with a Brazilian girl (who claimed not to know Spanish) and it would take some work to catch up. Had a lawyer from Buenos Aires. She hit the wall (perfect American accent) but she was a real looker when she was young probably and is so charming I immediately took a liking to her. Can talk over drinks with her for hours. Can’t remember the last time that happened with an American girl. Combining good looks, intelligence and ability to converse on a host of topics is so rare.
Sadly, most really good looking women here in the northeast think that means nothing else matters. And it shows.
Viva La G!
@ Lupo
After “G” you are my favorite superhero.
Last, American diets are precluding the what has happened with mama eval, as they are blowing up long before their moms.
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Roissy: any state-solid studies/evidence to back this up? I generally agree, and you state that it will happen, although it can be hard to believe. But what about women who gain more genes from their father? Doesn’t that happen at least sometimes?
I bang this girl regularly and she is gorgeous, her mother is the most revolting thing I have ever seen. Her father is a good looking man. Her sister looks just like the mother while this girl has many more of her fathers traits.
Any thoughts?
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PA,
The current system gives women an *incentive* to seek full custody, specifically so that she can get 60% or the husband’s income going to her, most of which she will pocket and not spend on the kid.
Since the current system is leftist and rewards deadbeats at the expense of hard workers, the woman has an incentive to fight for full custody due to the added money that *she* will get.
Plus, if the man loses his job (as is common during recessions), he can go to jail for failing to make the payments. Nevermind that his income also went away.
The laws sound fair on the surface, but in practice, make it very easy for the man to get screwed big time.
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Studying females for their beauty retention has been a hobby of mine since I was 17-18. At this point, I can tell whether a girl will age well or not just by looking at her. No need to visit the parents.
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@ Tood (Todd?)
“For example, airheads like Chic Noir insist that women give up more than men by getting married. This arrogance shows, among other things, that women have no awareness of how quickly their looks fade after the age of 30.”
Some do, some don’t. Here in the NYC area, there are quite a different groups of women. And if you date a “good” decent girl, you may be surprised at her panic when all her friends start getting married. Even if she is very good looking, you would be surprised at how they hit the panic button. While watching “Fatal Attraction” I had a girlfriend start crying and going into panic mode at the end. She said she was afraid she would never be married. (And no I did not marry her.)
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NOW exists as a lobbying force. Of course, there is no NOM to fight this.
Men have partly themselves to blame for allowing this creeping slavery to be foisted upon them.
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Gotcha Nova and Tood, thanks.
if the man loses his job (as is common during recessions), he can go to jail for failing to make the payments.
Is this literally true on a systematic basis, or overheated rhetoric?
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I don’t really resemble my father at all, either though … everyone else is blonde with blue eyes in my immediate family.
Your “father”, hm?
roissy – you should take what we learn here about a mother’s behavior up in your list…
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@ 691
Tell us about the fine arts.
BTW, I had a condo meeting yesterday and during a conversation I made an analogy. I started by saying it by saying “Well you know how women will ask you about what you do in the first five minutes of a conversation….”
The two women at the meeting started to go nuts. Both made some remarks about they wanted to choke me or something to that affect. My point was on the second part of the analogy. But the first part about women (American moreso) threw them.
I replied, “Had I said something that was untrue?”
Think Roissy is having a subliminal impact on me. I failed to be PC at a Condo Association meeting. And I didn’t care.
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@SJ- oh, i have that too. reading this site and commentariat for the last 6 months has definitely influenced how i behave and relate to the people around me. why wouldn’t it? isn’t that the point, in a way?
@al- not every aged Russian is a dumpy babushka. it tends, as elsewhere, to correlate with education/class.
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@esq- providence? maybe baltimore/annapolis?
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SmartyJones:
Nice job on dropping the PC niceties. Years ago, I made the mistake of telling a lesbian joke at a fancy Fulbright dinner….absolute dead silence after the punch line. And how was I supposed to know the woman directly across from me was an uptight lesbian?
Anyhow, the experience taught me to watch my tongue a bit , but it didn’t change my feelings about PC-types. And I felt a little resentful about having to watch my tongue, and I didn’t like the fact that I was self-censoring.
After a couple of years of being careful, I started being vulgar again. I decided that instead of being an inoffensive presence who inspires no one, that I’d rather risk offending people on occasion while gaining admirers for my candor. As Lemmy Kilmeister once said, “there are people out there who are DYING to be offended.”
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love this post for the sheer fact that it will piss lots of people off, especially those women with ugly mothers.
a couple weeks ago i had the chance to go to my 10 year high school reunion. i skipped it because i didn’t want to sit around while everyone talked about their fuck badges the whole time.
i was relieved when i saw the pictures from the reunion that some had posted on facebook. the chicks i graduated with had debilitated so rapidly, it’s sad. most of them had turned into beasts, but this is texas so that shit happens.
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Women get into a panic when their biological clocks get to ticking, scramble, and settle for the best option that they can get in a short order. Then later, as the clock is eased, they wake up from the bio-induced fugue to discover that they’ve settled for a chump, who looks like crap, isn’t very particular with his hygiene, and doesn’t know the meaning of foreplay. Women then decide they would probably be better off by themselves.
Guy putzes around, meets the hottest, most high quality girl he can afford. Hormones lead to marriage. Guy gets comfortable with the amenties of the wife, takes the day-to-day for granted, and tunes out her complaints/nagging, only to wake up one day, and discover that he married a heartless wench who looks at him with contempt. Guys don’t want to keep the kids, but also don’t want the expense of the kids either.
Perfectly predicatable given the biological realities of the sexes that women settle more than men, and consequently also regret the settling and file for divorce more than men do.
But I think all this caterwauling about aging is for the birds. The fact is, for both sexes, once we’ve reached a certain point, our desirability to the opposite sex goes down to nearly zero. Are there exceptions? Of course, but don’t plan your life around being the lucky winner of that lotto. Can a dirt-poor, but handsome 40 year-old guy pick up a comely 20 year-old girl with the same ease as a dirt poor handsome 20 year old guy can? No, of course not, and it is a stupid fantasy to pretend that they can, game or not. Money will make a girl tolerate you, but it won’t make a girl sexually attracted to you. So yes, she willl put up with your crap, and even marry you, for money. But don’t be shocked if she turns around a few years later, and leaves, taking your money with her. For some women, it was only that part that they liked anyway.
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Lupo
” neuraesthenic whiners ” . Well done.
Weak willed and palsy wristed settlers who are “practical”.
No wonder women love risk takers. Guys who win or die trying occasionally win. Or we die trying. So it is a smart strategy for the women to marry the beta who won’t risk death, but to fuck the guy with drive who risked it all and got ahead.
High T risk taking men – that is who this blog appeals to most. Lower T risk averse men and women can’t grok us.
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Considering what she looks like now (“at 17” she claims), Mandy XD must be the daughter of a pig and a fatter pig.
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@anony- wrong about the 40-y.o./20y.o. i think it was xsplat who posted, wisely, that older men posess the traits that attract women in greater abundance than a younger guy does. so that 40-y.o. will be more mature, experienced (incl. sexually), self-aware, etc., whereas 20 y.o. men tend to be immature. (not all – pace fellow commenters of that age.)
that was an unusually bitter post, btw. total accentuation of the negative. you need to get laid more. 🙂
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What if she’s adopted?
OH! PWN’d!
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”””””””””””Tension
Before this thread gets completely boring, here’s some fun for the day – rip apart this site and all the bullshit in it http://www.loveguru.net/
Note the part “for men” http://www.datingtipsfordudes.com/
There’s so much stupid on that site I wouldn’t be surprised if Roissy made this into a front page post.
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Sum that site up as meet a foreign woman.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’PA
Why would anyone want to avoid paying child support if it’s your kid, the amount is reasonable, and you have half the custody?’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
Because it is slavery. Not a choice.
‘’’’’’’’on July 21, 2009 at 1:52 pm Lupo
I tire of these neuraesthenic whiners telling our mighty leader that “he can’t keep doing this forever.” In fact, he can.’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
Yea that is why it pisses woman off so much. They have some power. A man who makes the right moves by creating some wealth which any man can do has his choice of quite a few women. Where no matter how pretty the woman is going to have less choice because they want to at a certain age have children and they need to depend on a man at that time because they want to raise the kid majority of time.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’Smarty jones
Last, American diets are precluding the what has happened with mama eval, as they are blowing up long before their moms.’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
Yea you can see effects of diet. You take a woman from a country of thin people and start feeding like a westerner. Yea they can blow up even though mom is still thin. I saw this happen with a few Asian chicks. They came like beautiful flowers and turned into beached whales. This is a part of the reason why I am not taking my wife out of her environment although she still did not blow up at the time. The environment that produced the perfect woman is the environment I want to keep her in.
‘’’’’’’’’Esquire,
Above all, they teach you the long game, which younger men intrinsically lack.’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
Well yea long game. The biggest thing for long game is making sure your dreams, goals, visions match in a good way.
I did all the shit with my first wife. We were awesome lovers. She was the highest amount I’d ever wanted to fuck a woman in one day 7. We were best friends. We could sit at a table and play spades and talk for hours. Waitresses would fall in love. People didn’t get mad because they saw perfection in us. She practiced her cooking until she was one of the best. She ironed my shit and put creases that where tight. She learned how to cut my hair. She ran clubs to make me look good. She cried if I was displeased. Probably could have convinced her to let me have more woman. She listened and didn’t have my kid and she didn’t ask me to buy a big house.
Only one problem are dreams didn’t match.
Now I have a woman who is perfect in that housewife way but also are dreams match and she is a businesswoman as well and understands how to make time and can actually teach me things about life to help me grow and achieve my dreams because she is working towards the same thing. Are end goal is basically the same. Therefore yea we have a long time to figure shit out together as we both grow towards becoming are ideals.
To add to the Roissy thing what there mothers house looks like is a good indicator too. Or how there mother acts in the home. One other thing if their mother ever warns you about there daughter take that advice and run. My first wifes mother warned me about my girlfriend at the time that she basically latches on to peoples dream I took that to mean she didn’t have dreams of her own.
The first time I met my present wifes mother. She was ready to die for me. Plus her body was still banging and she was a little girl during world war ii. Mua Mua hahahahah
Would need paper bag but still don’t need a body bag.
Big difference. he he he
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@ maurice
Well indeed. But it was funny as the analogy was what was important. I wasn’t condemning women or anything for the reality that so often they do ask what you do as a means to begin “evaluating” you. It was just a lead in to an issue local to the neighbors. But here in NYC, often women won’t even go that far. They will shut you down long before you get to that. It ain’t the south that’s for sure. Even the finest girls in the south have decent manners on the whole.
lurker
Why attack a 17 year old poster? Doesn’t that get old?
@ anon – the panic seems to set in around 30 when a girl’s friends start going off the market in droves. Women are not as blind as one may think. Many are quite aware of the wall and the law of diminishing returns on attractiveness. Thus the panic past 30.
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nonymouse
Such a boring platitude “young girls only date older guys for money”.
Boring, boring, boring.
As if it’s an original thought, or something older guys are incapable of conceiving.
And it missed the point. Women do fall in love for money. Not with money, for money.
Just like men fall in love for tits, ass, and a nice face. We genuinely love the girl, because she’s hot.
Money is a PART of what makes a man attractive. So if the woman falls for an older man with money, it doesn’t NECESSARILY mean mere greed. Anymore than folling for a hot girl means mere sex.
It’s part of the whole package. Just like looks are. It’s not cheating, and it’s not fake. Money is just as much game as is style, as is a George Clooney face. Whatever works, works. Who cares why it works? If it pushes buttons, the buttons are pushed.
Love doesn’t have rules about which buttons produce “real” love. Love isn’t real anyway. Money can push love buttons.
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Oh, and also, location is game. Going to where women are most attracted to you is game. Geography is just another indication of interest.
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“That’s why women hit the wall a lot earlier, and a lot harder, in the U.S. than in say, Colombia. An average woman in her 30s there will far outshine an average American girl in her 20s. Women in their 40s have even turned my head.”
But it’s not just genetics. Much of it is effort. Middle class Colombian women in their 30’s and 40’s put SERIOUS effort into looking good. You can argue they have the same amount of wrinkles as american women, but they watch what they eat and refuse to leave the house looking like shit.
Older colombian women put more effort into their appearance than younger american girls who are taking their youth for granted. You will never seen a colombian woman or girl go to a bar in flip flops.
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@ backdoor
““there are people out there who are DYING to be offended.”
Dude, you have no idea how right you are. But you know it was a neighborhood association meeting and I wasn’t trying to offend anyone. But I think I made one girl’s gina tingle. She was talking to me in an aside later and she started blushing, quite noticeably.
Have no idea what she was thinking.
Anyway, I like her boyfriend who’s also my neighbor so I’d never go there.
But here in the NYC area, you are dead on balls accurate. Roissy had a pretty good posts on his July 4th barbecue party pretty much retelling a great story on that.
He’s da man. I’m just visit’in.
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“Even the finest girls in the south have decent manners on the whole.”
Either you have not been to the south in awhile (most girls down this way are now cunts) or NYC whores are vastly worse than I can even imagine.
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@ Roosh
“That’s why women hit the wall a lot earlier, and a lot harder, in the U.S. than in say, Colombia. An average woman in her 30s there will far outshine an average American girl in her 20s. Women in their 40s have even turned my head.”
Speak it brother! But you go to Europe (not UK/Ireland) and you will find that there too, especially the further east you go.
Effort matters, in a big muthaf)*)(* way.
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”””””Xsplat,
It’s part of the whole package. Just like looks are. It’s not cheating, and it’s not fake. Money is just as much game as is style, as is a George Clooney face. Whatever works, works. Who cares why it works? If it pushes buttons, the buttons are pushed. ””””””
Money game the game that works on almost any chick.
Look at fear factor for proof of this or who wants to marry a millionaire.
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@ cptnapalm
The observation is limited by experience and a certain class. Not really speaking about the more uneducated wild chicks. More the ones that have a family inherited expectation of class (and manners).
On a biz trip to Charlotte, I found the younger girls to be pretty darn nice and well more open to just friendly chat.
In NYC, it can be pretty choppy waters with the wrong type of chicks. German Hessian mercs were warmer than some of these chicks. Really.
Here’s the rub bro. Whores no matter where, are not honorable and will never be so. They can hide their whoring natures for a limited time, maybe even fools some, but in the end, their wicked nature will come out and it’s game over.
And I happen to be somewhat prone to avoiding them altogether. A word out of their mouth will often be more than enough for me. But I’m a little more picky about where I douse the wicket.
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Roissy says… “Insecure hotties are often the best kinds of chicks to date. They will always strive to earn your approval while you will have to pinch yourself that it can be this easy.”
Perhaps for a pump & dump, but anything longer than that? Forget it. Save yourself the pain, trouble… and also higher a risk of paying alimony down the road by not going there.
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Danimal wrote a brilliant line (among many) that really stuck :
“Most women will not enjoy being married to a millionaire as much as they imagine, as most self-made millionaires are among the most frugal people”
True, very true. Women are attracted to the traits of a man with money, but such men often don’t spend the way the woman was expecting.
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@tood – or, rather, are attracted to the money- the results of the traits- but not the traits themselves.
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@ Smarty Jones
“Whores no matter where, are not honorable and will never be so. They can hide their whoring natures for a limited time, maybe even fools some, but in the end, their wicked nature will come out and it’s game over.”
Amen brother. There’s no turning a whore into a housewife. And why would you want to.
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Empirical evidence indicates that bereaved spouses are surprisingly muted in their responses to their loss, and that after a few months many of the bereaved return to
their emotional baseline.
http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~dmoller/Welcome_files/Love%20and%20Death.pdf
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Gunner
It’s a point of pride with me that I date young women I find attractive, even though in a bar I’d be the last girl a man would pick. There is a challenge, and I continually meet it. I feel I’ve earned it, and so the fruit is that much more delicious.
But if I looked like George Clooney I wouldn’t pass up the job in the pussy deflowering factor, just because it came too easily.
Whatever works. I don’t care what you call it. Game, money, whatever. Whatever works.
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@ The Snatch Whisperer
“Amen brother. There’s no turning a whore into a housewife. And why would you want to.”
You don’t but some will attempt to portray themselves as “good” girls in the hope you won’t figure it out. This is more readily to occur when crossing cultures where English is not their first language.
Happened to me once when I let the romantic air of Paris into my bones. The likelihood of that happening in NYC is far far less.
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Oh, and by the way, for the last 7 years I’ve been mostly broke, living hand to mouth. Only recently do I have enough excess to take a taxi ride without looking at my budget.
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Re: George Clooney
Clooney has recounted in interviews that women found him far from overwhelmingly attractive when he was a struggling actor working as a waiter.
Sometimes it’s a combination of elements, but money never hurts, that’s for sure.
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xsplat
“Oh, and also, location is game. Going to where women are most attracted to you is game. Geography is just another indication of interest.”
Straight out of The G Manifesto playbook.
Always live or visit places where the girls are down with your “Style”.
Geography is often overlooked in regards to swooping mass amounts of fly girls.
– MPM
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but money never hurts, that’s for sure.
Fame trumps money by a wide margin. Yes, famous people also get money, but a broke famous person will get laid a lot more than a wealthy investment banker who no one knows.
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No doubt Tood. Star fuckers are becoming the norm across the Republic. Shoot the show Entourage (HBO) is a whole show based on that. And I love that show.
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@ Smarty Jones
I’m in total agreement with you. The sad thing is that too many guys don’t see it themselves. They wear the blinders and fool themselves. They get hooked by the facade, and probably by the way she smiles when she takes the load, but that doesn’t last. It can’t because down deep it’s not her nature.
Ex. The younger brother of a friend of mine recently got engaged to a woman who grew up with the rep of being the town pump. No amount of discouraging him could change his mind. They’ve been engaged less than 3 months and he’s already caught her with another guys junk in her mouth in the parking lot of a local bar.
They guy is normally solid and makes good money, but he’s hypnotized by the pussy.
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Sure Tood – we all agree that it is the appearance of money, and especially the appearance of status, that turn the heads and quicken the hearts of yound girlies.
Money also carries the appearance of money, and is directly related to status. Especially in Asia. Just drive a nice car here and you are money.
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But I also agree, Tood, that there is no satisfaction greater than this: A pretty 22 year old hottie, looking up with you with wonder and devotion, asking in her most heartfelt earnest tone, “Daddy, why I love you Daddy? You no handsome, you no have money. Why I love you Daddy?”
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SmartyJones:
“Why attack a 17 year old poster? Doesn’t that get old?”
—what does her age have to do with it?
When a group of PUAs suddenly go apeshit beta and fawn over her left-wing idiocy, merely on some fake description she offers of herself, someone has to counteract the sycophancy.
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”””””Tood
but money never hurts, that’s for sure.
Fame trumps money by a wide margin. Yes, famous people also get money, but a broke famous person will get laid a lot more than a wealthy investment banker who no one knows.”””””””””’
Well how often can the famous person actually get laid with the paperazi keeping them in a gilded cage.
The wealthy investment banker can fly under radar but yet be famous within his environment. He saves money to point where he has all the time in the world to swoop and he has game plus massive internal game because he made it. He beat the money game of life. He can now swoop as many woman as he could ever want. When he likes a woman he can go there and chill whatever the world is his.
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Hey – you know, you hit on something there Gunner.
I also eschew and fear fame. I never want to be top dog – it’s too obvious. I’d rather be behind the scenes. Nearly invisible.
The sneaky fucker no one cares about.
No one will try to dethrone me if I’m unknown.
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Aunts are good predictors too.
“O let not time deceive you, you cannot conquer time.” Pupu will fade someday 😦
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Yea xsplat unless you are an emperor the faggot top we have today looks like it blows ass. Looks at saddams palaces yea he was hung because he got to do whatever the fuck he wanted and we can’t have leaders doing that can we.
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Pupu reads Auden too. Why is Pupu the most maddeningly fascinating female poster here?
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This post and subsequent comments reminds me so much of Jack L. Chalker’s “Soul Rider” series. I wish I had a copy of it nearby so I could put up the part where the men “transform” all the so-so women into hot, young empty-headed breeding machines.
Oh, those cheeky sci-fi novels with their author-driven sexual fantasies.
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FleshPo, aren’t you the woman too dumb to realize that a tattoo is an indicator a woman is an easy slut?
Thought so. You’re on silence now.
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@ The Snatch Whisperer
“They’ve been engaged less than 3 months and he’s already caught her with another guys junk in her mouth in the parking lot of a local bar.
They guy is normally solid and makes good money, but he’s hypnotized by the pussy.”
Someone needs to do this guy a favor and kick his ass.
There’s no way this guy should be even talking marriage let alone engaged. He’s going to nominated for beta of the year, or century.
Seriously, this is pretty horrid. One thing I notice is most guys don’t see it coming but after marriage, it’s like clockwork, she starts turning the screws. What makes it sad is that many guys let it happen and others are oblivious to it and the ensuing danger they are bringing on themselves.
It’s a man’s nature to resist the woman leading the relationship. Woe to the man that does.
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@ lurker
“When a group of PUAs suddenly go apeshit beta and fawn over her left-wing idiocy, merely on some fake description she offers of herself, someone has to counteract the sycophancy.”
Maybe I’m not following her posts closely enough, but she doesn’t come across as a left wing ideologue. As for others, if they are kissing the rear of some anon chick on the internet, it’s not her fault IMHO.
She’s pretty young and hardly fixed and her instincts from what little I’ve seen are altogether outside of redemption. Unlike some certain unnamed hardass selfish biyatches.
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@ The Snatch Whisperer
correction: It’s a man’s nature to resist the woman leading the relationship. Woe to the man that does not do so.
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Poetry’s not on silence for me, Lurker. I like easy sluts. I like Poetry. I want to do her here, on chat, in front of everybody.
She’s got a freaky side that works perfectly.
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@Roosh:
“Middle class Colombian women in their 30’s and 40’s put SERIOUS effort into looking good.”
This applies to almost ALL Hispanic women.
My mom’s Cuban, raised in Venezuela, and I wouldn’t say she spends HOURS on her appearance, but I would say that she looks damn good, and everyone else says it.
Everyone tells me,”Wow, you have such a young mom! She looks like Audrey Hepburn!”
They think she’s in her 30’s, max.
She’s 51.
People in America age so much faster, and not as well. It’s unfortunate.
And as for Hispanic women, the whole looking good thing doesn’t just apply to their appearance. It also applies to how the house looks. I haven’t met a Hispanic family that allowed people over if their house was a mess. Everything has to be PERFECT.
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Lurker, the rare time I’m silent tends to involve a ballgag or a well-hung man. Provide either, and I will (quite happily) shut up.
xsplat, you say the sweetest things.
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xsplat, beware of feminists in sluts clothing.
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Smarty, ask ehr what she feels about her grandfather (who lost his land when Castro stole it) wanting his land back.
Or why she thinks Cubans didn’t vote for Nobama. And her proof for such thinking.
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@SmartyJones:
“Maybe I’m not following her posts closely enough, but she doesn’t come across as a left wing ideologue.”
Because I’m not.
“As for others, if they are kissing the rear of some anon chick on the internet, it’s not her fault IMHO.”
It isn’t, and I haven’t seen any blatant rear kissing anyhow, so…
“She’s pretty young and hardly fixed and her instincts from what little I’ve seen are altogether outside of redemption.”
Thank you. :]
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@Mandy! XD
Not ALL Hispanic women look good. Have a look at the Salvadorans who live in my neighborhood: they’ve all got 3 kids by the age of 20, and they look like shit. Central Americans do not stack up to the high standards set by South American or Caribbean countries.
You are right about the house thing. When my old lady was out of town last month, I wanted to have some guys over for poker. She was absolutely adamant about not allowing it. Why? Because she wanted to be there to ensure that everyone was taken care of properly, and that the place was spotless. She needs to be the generous host.
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@lurker:
I think he can read the old posts in regards to that. I’m not typing out all that again, and quite frankly, I don’t think anyone wants to read another tantrum from you.
You’re not in your terrible twos, lurker, so act like it.
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Lurker, that reminds me. Why is it that people assume it is the young girl who games the older man?
The older man has the advantage. He can lure the spider into his trap. It isn’t only the young girls who ensnare.
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@Backdoor Man:
Well, I usually am guilty of not thinking of Central Americans when I say those things. =X
It’s true though. I do the same thing (in terms of being a hostess). Whenever some of my friends and boyfriend come over, I get them what they want to eat, drink, etc. One of my female friends was telling me that I should tell my boyfriend to get up and get what he wanted himself, and I was really annoyed by that. Why would I do that? He’s my guest and my boyfriend.
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Mandy, that “female friend” is trying to recruit you as a member of MHWWA, the Man Hating Whiner Women of America. She’s not going to get better, only worse. Recommended course of action is to stop hanging out with that chick.
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LR
If your parents both have blue eyes and you have brown eyes one or both of them are unrelated to you.
Breast feeding is a huge leg-up for a kid. That you would withold it deliberately is just another sign of just how unlucky your kid is..
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@cptnapalm:
Good to know that I wasn’t wrong in considering not talking to her again.
I mean, the fact that she’s had four failed relationships coming out of high school should be indicator enough. She emasculates the heck out of her boyfriends.
I’m sure that there are quite a few women like that nowadays from what Roissy’s said.
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@Rum:
It is possible for two blue-eyed parents to have a brown-eyed child, and vice versa.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2004-10-14-wonderquest_x.htm
Genes determine melanin production, not eye color specifically.
That’s why over 700 different eye colors are possible in humans.
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Lurker, I do hope it wasn’t me that you were inferring might be a feminist. I’ve had this discussion before, with righteous feminists, and they all agreed that there isn’t a feminist bone in my body (much to their dismay).
Also, I agree with xsplat. Half the fun in going after an older man is (hopefully) finding someone you can’t game, who can game -you-. You learn a lot (sexually, socially, and life-wise), they’re experienced as hell in bed, and tend to be financially well-off, which is nice.
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Mandy, I’d definitely say dump the bitch.
A very long standing belief with thousands of years of pedigree is that people tend to become like the people they befriend and it is more likely for the good to go bad than vice versa.
Don’t worry too much about her, though. She’ll find her wife beater eventually.
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lol@Poetry of the Flesh’s blog
How is it possible for Women to type 1000 words that fit together grammatically yet say absolutely nothing?
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Captain Napalm Brand Hard Liquor
Which is why I forbit my girlfriends to partake of unsavory company. Never let your girl hang with prostitutes – not even as just fun friends. Unless you don’t care who’s values she internalizes.
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“LOL. I am almost exactly category 1- I look so much like my dad that I don’t even look related to my mom. And my dad is very frequently compared to a number of movie stars. OTOH, I don’t find my mom attractive. She has good skin and no wrinkles since she is dark, but I think she’s too fat and she doesn’t carry it well. I also don’t think her face is pretty anymore though it used to be. I think that with some minor plastic surgery, I should be able to remain a daddy’s girl.” Feminist X
one thing jumps out–I I I I I I I I
find me a single paragraph a man types where EVERY sentence starts with “I” or “my”
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Anonymous,
It’s actually written by this AI machine I designed, which is why it is so contentless. See, there’s this code hidden in the words (much like in the movie “Mercury Rising”) and only autistic people can parse the meaning.
One of my greatest inventions, really, as it gets mentally disabled people to read my blog.
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Women from South America tend to be the most attractive IMO. There tend to be a lot of ancestral mixtures, and they seemed to have reaped the best genetic benefits: tall, long legs, olive skin, dark hair, etc. It’s unfortunate that the men in South America don’t tend to be on par with the ladies there, and there’s a definite disjuncture in height (in favour of the women).
As for men… well, Roissy and some others brought up the fact that women are less prone to mix. This is generally reflected in the choices of the ethnicities of men I date. The last three guys I went out with off the top of my head: German-Indian, Mediterranean (dark hair, olive skin, fits the bill), Spanish. (I’m Spanish/Indian.) I can find men of all races attractive, but I’m more likely to be attracted to men who bear those characteristics.
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I would be willing to bet a thousand dollars that LR is over 30. Unfortunately, I can’t think of any way to verify her age definitively.
If she really is 28, then I feel sorry for her for having aged so rapidly.
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Mandy
Your point/research regarding eye colors is valid, of course, but the elephant still standing in the room is that the reason blue eyes were for a long time thought to be a purely “recessive” trait is because 99% of the time there was/is no evidence to the contrary.
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Most young women are only going to be sexually attracted to men a maximum of 10 years older than they are.
There are exceptions. They are exceptional.
The most beautiful of the young women, the 10s whom you might have captured at 30 or 38 or 42, will be out of your reach by the time you hit age 50. The cream of the female crop will be looking for some sign of unusual success if you’re into middle age. Not necessarily money, but a best-seller, or a high-status job, or some sign of intellectual superiority. If you can’t deliver, you’ll attract only the lesser pretties, the ones who haven’t gotten to know men yet.
Another warning: because you’ll likely have less testosterone coursing through your veins than at age 28, you’ll fall in love faster. You might even be persuaded to marry one of the youngsters you’ve pursued. She’ll insist on having children, too. And then she may dump you. Look at what happened to Mort Zuckerman and his art historian wife.
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@Rum:
Yes, that’s true, but the evidence proves the strictly recessive, strictly dominant ideas down.
It’s ok, the same belief you held was held towards blood types. It was often said that if a child had a blood type neither of the parents had, one of the parents was not the parents. But special circumstances can cause this to happen. For example, if one parent is AA genetically, and the other is BB genetically, their children will most likely all be AB. If one parent is Ao genetically, and the other is Bo, there’s a chance that they can have a child with the O blood type.
Eye colors are the same but on a spectrum and far more complex. Same applies to facial structure, skin tone, and hair. All these things can change over a life time as well.
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I would bet the SAD (Standard American Diet) has more than anything to do with the rapid decline in women’s appearance…especially when it comes to skin, hair, and body fat distribution.
Agnostic from Dusk In Autumn has posted a few entries on how the American low-fat/high-carb diet has likely played a role in how American Women appear more masculine and age faster than previous generations.
http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2009/05/fat-eating-swedish-babes-superiority-of.html
http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-french-spanish-and-italian-women.html
It’s also probably a good bet as to why South American and Latina’s are generally regarded as women who age the best…because those countries haven’t been consumed with an anti-saturated fat hysteria that America has been for the past 30 years.
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@ Mandy & Lurker
There’s a saying, “Tell me who you’re with and I’ll tell you who you are.” That’s a Spanish saying I heard growing up in NYC.
So since both of you are here, consider it a good start.
Now Mandy, by whit of you being a young lady, and I don’t use that lightly but since you indicate that you behave in a lady like manner, we should at least treat you as one.
I would refer both of you to Andy Garcia’s 2005 epic of Cuban freedom and its enslavement, “The Lost City” one of my all time favorites. And if girlfriend here doesn’t get it after seeing that, she has some growing up to do, and some much needed education that comes with experience. Youth being most affected by the marxist leftist pap being served up their “teachers” these days.
Girlfriends I’ve had born outside the US, El Salvador, Mexico and I think there was a Columbian who might have gotten away all by far had the most feminine attitudes, even some who were first generation with strong roots.
But once the US media culture gets ahold of them, it’s pretty much a lost cause. A lot of them though, especially with mestizo blood do lose their figures fast.
Cuban women on the other hand are a never ending source of beauty and pizzaz. Damn it’s the wrong time of year to head to South Beach. But I love the Cuban people, part of the reason being their culture is equal to their love of freedom.
Something many Americans don’t understand.
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http://www.ignighter.com/Page/Magazine/ID/71/Subject/ThePlayerPattern/
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@ aliasclio
What you forget is that here dwell the trendsetters, not the trend followers. So you can’t speak for all the lovelies. In fact they are being swooped upon by the likes of G Manifesto, Lupo and Roissy as you type your arcane belief system.
And thus it shall be. He who dares wins.
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Look, no guy with more than half a brain cares about the genuineness of a woman’s attraction towards him. It does not matter! If it did, we would not have so many divorces, initiated mostly by women, after they married ‘the love of their lives’.
All that matters is- does she look good, does she have good sexual technique and can she act ‘nice’ for an hour or two. Beyond that, no man should care about what a woman thinks about him.
“Most young women are only going to be sexually attracted to men a maximum of 10 years older than they are.”
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Can be changed with 50$/ month (cost approx 10 beers) testosterone gel.
“Another warning: because you’ll likely have less testosterone coursing through your veins than at age 28, you’ll fall in love faster.”
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Women are amoral whores. If you your total cost per fuck session (2 shots) exceeds 200$, you might just get an escort.
It is a cheaper and much more honest interaction. Just stay away from N. American born escorts – poor value for money.
“The most beautiful of the young women, the 10s whom you might have captured at 30 or 38 or 42, will be out of your reach by the time you hit age 50. “
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abe
Wrong.
Only to get girls in their mid 20s. Not to get girls in their thirties.
Girls in their early thirties can look real, real good to guys in their late 40s or early 50s.
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AliasC.
Lower T means faster falling in love? Being older and more experienced = more naive?
My head is spinning. I am not sure what your point is. That is, if I really thought you had a point.
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Aliasclio – yes, that’s mostly true.
But what is your point? Marry and hope the bonds will last into old age? Don’t marry and get a dog and a hobby?
I’ve got my own strategy. Call me overconfident – but I’m sure I’ve got a good twenty years of attraction left in me. If my heart lasts that long. And who plans more than twenty years ahead?
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It is so funny on the money thing.
Could G Manifesto be G manifesto without the money?
Answer:
No.
He couldn’t afford the lifestyle without the money.
He couldn’t afford the plane tickets or the hotels.
So people who want the lifestyle your gonna have to get some loot together. Simple as that.
Just plane tickets and resteraunts and clubs and suits cost money. To have time on your hands to do whatever costs money. You gonna need an income coming in that doesn’t require much of your time management. Then your gonna need to have some imagination to understand what to do and where to go. Totally doable for most guys with some saving and investing. Not me I am a hard head. I have to do it a certain way to make it. I have to prove myself capable of certain things before I succeed.
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AliasClio–
The more money you have or expect to earn and the greater the age spread the more important it is that you have a strong prenup.
Otherwise even if it wasn’t in her golddigging head that she could divorce you and live with a younger and studlier model but still keep all of your money that really matters to her, her gf’s will be telling her that the first time there’s the slightest tiff between you after marriage, and maybe well before then.
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The cream of the crop the tens you just hand 10k and bone this shit is not rocket science.
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Do you get this from experience or is it speculation? Or does it apply at both extreme ends of the spectrum?
I’ve lived with my hot mother and relatives, whom guys my age are always fawning over. This isn’t something I resented, but the difference of their reactions was palpable — guys wouldn’t leave me alone after parent’s evening with ‘say hello to your mother’ type comments and even girls would say ‘She cannot be your mother’. Similar reactions to an aunt I have. All my female relatives would also would constantly criticise what I’d be doing about my looks and so on.
So in sum total, do not think much of my looks.
I do have fat relatives and they have made nil contribution as far as I can tell to this insecurity.
I’ve already been telling my mother that men will look to her to see how I’m going to turn out. So she is basically not allowed to become fat. Not now, anyway, when she was doing so well at being hot when it wasn’t useful for me. Stupidly, this is a better motivation for her than good health. [Take notice, married peeps, for helping with future manipulations of your wives.]
Say whaat? Well, it’s true. I don’t think it’s genetic. It’s definitely the ridiculous diet. Should’ve been by all rights a balloon with my nutella love if it was genetic.
Only recently started going to gym but BMI’s normal!
Went to dinner today and I ate only two plates of meat, rice, humus, chips, some sort of curry, not to mention the bread and salad and… my goodness. And that was me eating the minimal so as not to be rude. Was still told off for eating as much as a rabbit.
This idea of being obese as attractive is a cultural one based on it as a sign of wealth, I believe.
Anyway, observation is that inflation occurs as soon as the men start being uninterested in them because of age anyway or they get widowed. Either that, or they marry them fat based on some cultural pressures especially in gulf societies. Ridiculous because it reduces fertility. Witnessed this cultural pressure today with a friend on vacation from the Emirates called a BMI 30+ eight year old cute.
LILGRL:
LOL!
To take this somewhat seriously, fat owners have fat dogs, though?
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At the risk of overposting all the shit I talk about is in the frame of allready having a woman who is down till death for me.
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Gun
Me too. And everyday I’m reborn.
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lucifer
How can a girl enjoy sex with an old man? More importantly how can a man enjoys sex with a girl that is grossed out by him? Where is the dignity?
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Hmmm…Around here I haven’t noticed Arab women getting actually fat until they’re way old, or of the latest generation of teen-mid 20’s. Most I see over 18 and under 30-ish are very very thin. They kind of fill out in their 30’s, but I haven’t seen but one truly obese Arab woman since I’ve been in this country. She was at least 70.
If Arab women are very fat in your area, it’s whatever is western about their diet that is doing it.
The use of canola, corn, and soy oils, as well as mostly wheat flours, is a large part of it. More people here are becoming obese, and those are the reason why.
Some things that used to be available inexpensively here are no longer. Spelt, rye, and buckwheat flour for instance, costs three times as much as wheat flour. That’s part of the complaint that some people have against keeping one’s ancestral diet.
I’ve managed to convince a few moms at least that when you eat naturally, you eat alot less than if you don’t. So it’s worth paying more for some items because in the end you’ll still end up spending less.
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Rum –
Yes, older men have less testosterone in their bloodstream, as older women have less estrogen. Makes them more vulnerable to the effects of other hormones, including the opposite-sex ones that we all possess in small quantities.
That’s why older men are more sentimental than their younger counterparts – more prone to gush over children; puppies; sad movies, and so forth. They are also more easily more moved to pity and/or empathy. Young men, by contrast, only really feel pity for themselves.
One of the unfortunate side-effects of older men being more sentimental is that (often, not invariably) they can be more easily duped, in spite of being less naive than young ones.
Combine these factors with the state of delighted confusion that always strikes a hetero-man when he sees a pretty woman and hopes or suspects she might be interested in him, and you have a recipe for disaster.
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Since this blog post is about aging, I offer some advice, since I have some experience with that topic. Sorta long, but not boring I hope. This is for men and women, both.
I think Roissy’s post is summed up in the advice I heard (too late.)
Don’t marry the daughter if you wouldn’t marry the mother.
That’s simple, easy to remember, and you don’t have to carry a chart. And, you don’t have to worry about those pesky paternity issues.
M’Lady sure is a piece of work, ain’t she? Only young men with tattoos, no baldies, and please, wouldn’t breast feed her son? And, NO BETAS! I must confess, my initial warm feelings towards her are starting to cool.
This advice is for the M’Ladies on this list. They need it but won’t listen.
The problem I see with hairy heads (male) is that they only notice their bodes from the neck up. Many girls make that same mistake.
How many times have you seen some guy, over 30, with a carefully groomed full head of hair with a big gut and a flabby build? You know, a Bill Clinton type? (The ladies still love him.) Or else a skinny, pathetic physique, but his carefully groomed hair bespeaks his vanity?
I recall a company dinner where a M’Lady like woman was sitting next to a good looking guy, a Clark Kent type, Ronald Reagan hair. (This guy was in his 50’s and had a 30’s wife with a couple of young kids.) She was admiring his hair greatly. He was basking in her attention. She gushed, “Some people have all good genes!” (I think she was including herself in that group. More on that below.)
The only problem with “all the good genes” was this:
This guy had had two heart attacks by his early 50’s, was short, had a large pear type belly with the metabolic syndrome (high sugar and lipid) and had such bad teeth he never smiled but grimaced. He was out of shape. But, to many women, the good hair makes up for it all. His young wife was going to “gift” her children with short stature, bad teeth, diabetes, and hyperlipidemia in return for good hair (which his sons might not even inherit.) This is an example of why some men do not have a good opinion of the judgment of women regarding men.
I have seen this in action in other marriages. Women go for hair.
So, I have one in-law whose hairy head husband (a later 2nd marriage for both) is going blind with retinitis pigmentosa.
Another relative whose late marriage to a good hairy head has given her a husband who is just about the most bland and listless person I have seen for some time.
Our neighbor has good hair, which he takes good care of, while smoking to excess and eating improperly. It shows, his health is damage, his is out of shape, but, he looks good with his hair combed.
An older colleague has excellent hair, and he and his younger wife have from time to time made comments about my lack of hair and premature gray. She is obese, with many of the problems that ensue from it, and his gut is so big it is an embarrassment, and the first thing you notice about him and the last thing you’ll forget.
There are fat, bald guys, but, many of the bald men I know understand their shortcoming and take care of their bodies in other ways to compensate. It shows in the long term. The older they get, the more it shows, and the better they look in comparison.
So M’Ladies, the point of this is I suggest you look at the whole package, not just the hair on top of the head, if you are thinking of an LTR. Healthy aging in males is more complicated than hair. This is a difficult concept for many of you to grasp, I know.
Now, about that M’Lady type lady who gushed over hair. She was a real Princess type, nice clothes, jewelry, and heavy into makeup, although aging. She used to like to point out how good looking she was at her age while I, the same age, looked much the worse for wear. She never would take up my true beauty challenge: No makeup or hair coloring for 3 months, then strip to bathing suits and compare. She was totally superficial and totally into herself. Her husband was a real beta, too, and spent most of his time on the road, traveling for business.
And about pregnancy ruining your figure. Some of the most shapely, slender, fit strippers I know have had one, even two, kids.
About that obesity stuff in mother and daughter. According to a study just published (I read this on the BBC, so it must be true!) there is no correlation or a weak one between obesity between father and daughter or between mother and son, but a strong one between mother and daughter and father and son. That is, OBESITY IS A FUNCTION OF DIETARY HABIT, NOT GENES!!!
So, fat people are really weak willed and likely self loathing, self involved and just plain neurotic , stupid or selfish, or all of the above. Avoid them. Obesity is just too much baggage (Pun intended.) This is good advice.
Oh, BTW, it is also important what kind of people the parents are, not just whether they are “hot” or not. Personality is also hereditary.
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I am not interested in YOUR concepts of right and wrong. I am only concerned with MY views, observations, thoughts, comfort, fun etc.
It is all about me!
“How can a girl enjoy sex with an old man? More importantly how can a man enjoys sex with a girl that is grossed out by him? Where is the dignity?”
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aliasclio–
That probably ususally true for girls 25 or under, but less true for girls in their late twenties and even less in their early thirties. Girls start looking for somewhat different mix.
No it doesn’t switch to all money and security. But the mix of what attracts most does change. It’s not just becoming practical though there’s an element of that. What genuinely most attractive changes with age and experience in girls too I think. Mainstream status and money, if combined with game and confidence with women do matter a lot more. Male handsomeness in particular matters much less to girls over 25. Instead male juice increases in importance. Fat is never good though.
When a guys in his late thirties certainly he’d better be showing some sort of life success. Not fully developed yet necessarily but on the way.
BTW these are the things that women SHOULD value for the benefit of society and proper motivation of men. The things that teen girls and maybe especially 20-25yos seem to value most these days aren’t particularly good for creating the right male social motivations.
More than 15 years older is a stretch though unless you have serious status and money, and even then more than 20 years is problematic. In American culture. Less so in some others.
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Maybe you should read a little bit on relative levels of bound and unbound hormones before making such a comment.
My hatred for a lot of the pseudoscience used to support such claims is that they are not backed by independently verifiable and testable evidence. Such concepts are calld “speculation” or more commonly bullshit- not science! Unfortunately a lot of what passes for science today is utter bullshit.
“Yes, older men have less testosterone in their bloodstream, as older women have less estrogen. Makes them more vulnerable to the effects of other hormones, including the opposite-sex ones that we all possess in small quantities.”
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AliasC
You are over-looking something. For a guy, being foolish only turns into a disaster if he makes a commitment. I mean who hasn’t fallen on his/her face? No harm done. Get up, brush the dust off and try another one.
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Because many of them never accepted that they were mortal. Many others bought into a fake world and do not want to admit that they were wrong. You will not be disappointed if you can see the world for what it really is..
I have one reply to any white guy, who tries to lecture me on how “you guys” treat women.
My answer- How has implementing your views worked out for you guys? usually followed by “surely it has made your lives happier, more stable, more pleasant, more desirable”
//That’s why older men are more sentimental than their younger counterparts – more prone to gush over children; puppies; sad movies, and so forth. They are also more easily more moved to pity and/or empathy. Young men, by contrast, only really feel pity for themselves.”//
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PA
I agree.
An excuse they get vast amounts of media support in branding about.
As well it’s an excuse to gorge or continue doing so during post partum depression or simply weariness .
It’s part of a general American woman feeling that after birth or in any ways by half way through a pregnancy, everything should be about the baby and mother, nothing about the father and major or often then only provider.
He’s taken for granted and in fact if it comes to it and leaves, is ultimately court compelled no matter what she does or does do to do his providing.
Someone should start a revolution.
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The delusion is “she might love me” because “only her socially sanctioned love should make me feel worthy”.
//Combine these factors with the state of delighted confusion that always strikes a hetero-man when he sees a pretty woman and hopes or suspects she might be interested in him, and you have a recipe for disaster.//
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“you guys” being who?
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oh.. I will not be specific. say anyone who looks non-white or non-black.
//“you guys” being who?//
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Joel, dietary habits aren’t genetically inherited. They are learned, so they can be changed.
If they are changed for the better, then there is no going back without suffering more than regaining some weight. In fact, if they do it right, they basically can’t regain the weight.
It is much easier to push away from the canola oil than it is to push away from the table. Take care of the former, and the latter will happen on its own.
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Yea devil you got to be able to turn that shit off like a faucet when she slips on any of the tests. Like crossing the glass in bare feet.
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“You guys” are… Asians?
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In a generic sense.. yes.
Asia is a fairly large place.
// Asians?//
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Yes, old western guys out of the game forever are easy pray.
No, old western guys who keep social are not easy pray.
You want to dethrone the greyback, woman? Go for it. Let’s wrestle.
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Yes, older men have less testosterone in their bloodstream
A question about testosterone peaking in young men in their early 20s: can this variable, even extremely variable on case-by-case? Because now, in my late 30s, I feel like I have a lot more T. than I did in my early 20s.
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@LadyRain
“and I think we know that a balding man is really unattractive.”
I disagree in a major way.
Firstly, my father went bald at a youngish age (I’ve never known him with a full head of hair). However, he constantly had women in love with him and trying to get his attention. He is a charismatic man, very intelligent and successful. There is a 13 year age difference between him and my mum (she was 18 when they married).
Coincidently, the man I am in love with has been balding since I’ve known him and is not what anyone would call stunningly handsome. However I am so physically attracted to him it is hard to keep my hands off him. I could never figure out why this was until I found this blog and realised he was always running Game with me. Not to mention the fact that he is intelligent, arrogant (with good reason), decisive and always knows exactly when to put me in my place and when to flatter me.
I’ve said it many times to male friends (who are rather beta) – physical appearance is not what attracts women most. We are NOT the same as men (who are visually stimulated) and it is attitude that draws us in.
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InterruptedCadence. You confirm my reality, and for that I thank your sweet, mane stroking hands.
For those dudes whose reality is disconfirmed and who’s ego is grated, it will be difficult to impossible to swallow your words, without labelling you as an agent of the opposition or a lier or deluded.
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Bhetti —
Your mother and pretty aunt are real knockouts, and look lots younger. Of course you’re one yourself, but do look your age. Or a tad older. Which at 20 isn’t a bad thing. You don’t keep getting told you look like Eva Mendes for nothing. It seems as if women in your family get to 35 or so and then stop looking any older. Or do until menopause or something. Though you did use to try to look as unattractive as possible (short of burkas), fending off unwanted male interest, as your modesty and serious student bookish shield. We’re only now getting you to lose your glasses for contacts for one small example.
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south americans girls either have more melanine or have been exposed to the sun during childhood, or both. this mix delays aging dramatically.
@joel
your whole post says much more about you than it says about girls´preferences.
concerning dating younger girls, my own experience with it: I am almost 26 and I have a fetish for girls aged 18-20, who ar e my target group. the competition is fairly easy, if you just take the effort to go to gym 2 times week. it seems that younger guys in this country are getting more and more herbish. the greatest problem concerns time
a girl aged 18, in her first year of college, for all that matters, has absolutely nothing to do outside the weeks of the exams andis surrounded by people in the same situation
so if you are older, the problem you face is the following: either you work seriously and you don´t have time for her, because she is always free and you cannot match it, or you have time for her because you are also free. in this second case it means that either you have a low prestige job or no job at all 9usually people studying for government jobs´exams). and then the girl will despise you
so the dynamics between men 10 years older than the girl only starts operating after the girl leaves college and starts having obligations of her own
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Doug – you two already flirt on email. After a few public flirts, it gets a bit too off-topic, don’t you think?
The concept of how to flirt is on topic. Continued engaged one-on one flirting is not even a tangent.
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the greatest PUA that I know is balding since his early 20s. the guy is currently 28, has deeeep entrances in his hair, and pulls girls like no other
My best paid friend is also balding, but he is rather beta. What is worsened because the mismatch between his rank in income and his rank in the quality of girls he pulls is huge, which only adds to his frustration. for this guy, baldness had a prostrating effect that no black amex could compensate
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xplat
Thankyou.
I only try to speak the truth. I am not concerned if it bothers people. I am glad if you appreciate it though.
When I explain these things to my beta friends it is because I want to help them to find quality girls and be happy.
I have a couple of friends who think the reason they can’t find a girl is becaue they are skinny and girls only want well built, rugby player types. I tell them this is an excuse and has nothing to do with reality. They think that girls these days are more concerned with appearance but I say that the nature of women and men is ever the same.
They need to be more confident and approach more girls – be a little arrogant. And DON”T call them too much!
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@ lucifer
I recently changed jobs, so to commemorate I decided to gfo to whorehouses. I went to them twice before, including the day I lost virginity, and it has been long 6 years since the second visit.
I couldn´t despise more the guys I saw there. The word to describe them is BETA. lower betas. I only saw ONE guy who actually looked like a drug kingpin who I respected.
You could see how the girls themselves disrespected the guys.
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PA–
T levels can be quite variable in the same person depending on events etc.
Working out esp. lifting and building muscles builds T as you know. So does success at something. If you feel elation and particularly some kind of victory your T level will rise.
Could it be higher in a man in his late 30s who’s feeling on top of things and having young interns at work get all flushed around him with a very loving much younger wife, than a guy in his early 20s who wasn’t feeling so sexually confident or desirable or particularly victorious about anything. Hell yeah, I think so.
I mean I don’t know about technically, but effectively, in terms of what T does personality and well even boner wise, I think so.
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best commercial ever. i don´t know if anyone has posted this before, but it deserves a repost anyway
http:// kibeloco.com.br/kibeloco/2009/07/18/e-soda/
the commercial is german, the website is Brazilian (Brasil!!!!!!)
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my first comment disappeared. so I post it again:
http://kibeloco.com.br/kibeloco/2009/07/18/e-soda/
best commercial ever. I want to know Obsidian´s and Whiskey´s and also Willard Libby´s opinions about it
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PA,
This whole testosterone bullshit is a bit overhyped and misunderstood.
Most testosterone in your bloodstream is bound to sex-hormone binding globulin and albumin. The fraction available to receptors in your cells is a fraction of total testosterone. That is why the total testosterone might vary among ‘races’ but the unbound
testosterone is remarkably similar.
Having said that there is certainly a range of testosterone in any group. The next confounding factor is the role of dihydrotestosterone, made by an enzyme that has more than one isoform. Each isoform can be expressed to different levels in various tissues. So a guy with high alpha-reductase activity in the skin might have high alpha-reductase activity intheir prostate or not..
The other factors concern the secondary proteins that are turned on by the activated receptor. Not every one has the same distribution and ratios of these proteins.
So what is the take home message.
Testosterone levels in very old men are still many times higher than the most masculinzed woman.
The free testosterone levels are hurt by anything that screws up the liver or increases SHBG levels.
DHT is important, but becomes a liability in later years.
There is no normal level of testosterone, as many older men with normal or even higher levels of free testosterone benefit from hormone replacement. However many men with lower free testosterone levels often do not benefit or even need them in the first place.
If in doubt, always try testosterone replacement (gel) but you might also want to use alpha-reductase inhibitors with them, especially if you are older or have a family history of prostate issues.
alpha-reductase inhibitors have very little effect on the desirable effects of testosterone but certainly block it’s effects on the prostate.
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PA,
Your T level can be affected by diet, exercise, sleep amounts, stress levels. Marital status. The hotness and number of chicks you are boning. The list goes on.
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As Esquire pointed out, how the mom treats the dad is extremely important to anyone that is stupid enough to think a relationship should last more than 4 years at the outside.
As for the eye color, I would bet money on cuckolding over genetic chance every time. I am suspcious of that article Mandy referenced. It looks like a feminist cover up to me.
Besides muddy or grey eyes is not Brown.
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I typed the last post on my iPhone..
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Aenigma
“you can learn a lot from a guy who’s been hauling in the poon longer than you’ve been alive.”
The hard part is finding and meeting them. I for one would welcome mentorship from a finanically successful older player.
Unfortunately the Shame-Industrial complex means we have to lie low.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/sprite-blow-job-ad-banned_n_240851.html
a link that works. if they take it out of the air, google “german sprite add bj -youtube”
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Older Man,
That is only if you give a shit what society thinks.
I am with Lucifer in the “Who cares why she is there, as long as she is.” Only a deluded idiot that needs external validation worries about whether the other person “wants” to be there or not.
If they are, they do. Simple as that. Don’t care what their motives are (and I sure as hell don’t trust anything they say).
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gig,
sadly, most men use escorts till they find “the one”. I do not have those illusions.
the other tragic-funny aspect of using escorts is that many guys (especially white) treat them with “respect” and “compassion”. I just see them as people who are paid to pretend and have a wild time.. i prefer reality over make believe.
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aliasclio
…The most beautiful of the young women, the 10s whom you might have captured at 30 or 38 or 42, will be out of your reach by the time you hit age 50. …. If you can’t deliver, you’ll attract only the lesser pretties,
clio
even if this is true the’ll still be better (younger, prettier, slimer, better attitude) than a wife!
Guaranteed!
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most men use escorts till they find “the one”. I do not have those illusions.
the other tragic-funny aspect of using escorts is that many guys (especially white) treat them with “respect” and “compassion
I couldn´t say it any better.
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I see that the lawyer from hell agrees with me… not surprising though.
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@Lucifer:
I often mix up you and LawyerfromHell for some reason.
@SmartyJones:
My views aren’t fueled by “left wing commie teachers;” in fact, at least half my teachers were older right wing Cuban exiles.
I understand that in theory, yes, former owners of land in Cuba should get it back. And yes, it is hard for older people to adapt to a new land with a new culture and a new language, and almost no concept of family values.
But they also have to realize the reality of the situation, and be practical. With the number of false data and records created by the Castro dictatorship, how would they get that land back? Also, they dream of an older Cuba, a Cuba that was wealthier and in much better conditions than it is now. Supposing Castro were overthrown, it would not return back to normal in their lifetimes, and their children and grandchildren probably consider themselves more American than Cuban, or at least Cuban American.
How can Cubans count on the help of the United States, when Kennedy abandoned them during the Bay of Pigs Invasion? Even the Republicans haven’t done squat. Oh, an embargo? Oh ok, so now Cubans can’t send food or clothing to their family members; gee that’s great.
All I hope is to maintain part of my cultural identity and pass it on to my children.
Now that I’ve said my share, let’s bury the dead and move on.
“Cuban women on the other hand are a never ending source of beauty and pizzaz. Damn it’s the wrong time of year to head to South Beach. But I love the Cuban people, part of the reason being their culture is equal to their love of freedom. ”
😀 😀 😀
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random 10 minute boner who doesn’t make girls come
Women come for emotional reasons. If you can’t make them come, you are not able to partake of the empathetic pleasure of experiencing their pleasure.
Better than a peach, but better than a japanese realisitic sex bot?
Try Chi-Kung. Smoke some grass, and feel your nerves. Up your spine. Sex goes up the spine, and into the other.
If not, you are bound to orgasm too soon. Or only feel a peak for a few seconds.
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Xsplat,
It is all about me…
I define who I am, others do not. I know that particular concept is hard to understand… but I live to make myself happy, if that makes other happy- fine. If not- who cares?
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@Laywer from Hell:
I found another article from a grad student in genetics, which explains the same thing.
Of course, he also puts up the possibility of cuckolding; however, he says that eye color isn’t a conclusive way to determine cuckolding. Blood paternity testing is necessary.
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-06/961696074.Ge.r.html
Simply put, as stated before, skin color, eye color, and hair color come in a SPECTRUM.
We are complex beings with multiple enzymes, etc. etc. That’s why there is no one way to determine anything simply by saying,”I have brown eyes, he has brown eyes, all our kids will have brown eyes!” It doesn’t always happen. Sometimes you get kids looking like great grandparents.
Genetics are a lot more complex than that.
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Well got my own wordpress blog so if anyone wants to comment go ahead.
http://gunslingergregi.wordpress.com/
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I always tell guys to scope out the parents, especially mom, of any girl they are foolish enough to get serious with. Odds are she turns out to be like the mom. Extra points if the mom isn’t a fucking ball-buster.
Tread cautiously, men.
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Lucifer
No, it’s not. It’s an easy concept. I agree with it.
Did you get my concept? About empathy increasing happiness? Maybe that’s more difficult than your concept.
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Lucifer, you only live because someone else at some point in your life gave a damn about you. None of us make it past infancy without a little bit of that.
It’s a good thing to not be overly invested in the herd, but it pains me to see a man become an emotional monotreme.
Semen and shit come out of different holes for a reason.
Maybe it’s time for you to stop psychologically shitting from your dick. It helps if you stop sticking your cock in people you consider crappy.
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Mandy
Genetics is a subject that is drifting off topic. However, fwiw, I sense that you are a victim of PC. I mean, we are all indeed points on a spectrum but phenotypes do not come out of a vacuum.
Much time can be wasted waiting for people to pop out kids that have, for example, blue eyes, when their parents are both dark eyed.
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wtf you have to approve comments hopefully only once. Man roissy been working it he he he
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happy i look more like my dad, and dad looks like George Clooney 🙂
mom looks like a walrus.
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@ Mandy Xd
Not looking to belabor the point, all I will add it that the whole concept of liberty and individual rights is tied to private property. You can spend a great deal of time educating yourself on that topic should you like and American history is a great place for it.
As for Cuba itself, should it be liberated from tyranny, property rights are not an overwhelming problem. In Eastern Europe they are working through that issue and they have decades more oppression to sort through. But in many cases they are doing so. Cuba would be far less difficult on that timeline.
No need to worry about America failing to aid Cuba’s liberation. The Obama-Chavez-Castro alliance has a completely different idea in mind. It’s spelled tyranny of the State.
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Ghost of Nicole
….but it pains me to see a man become an emotional monotreme.
Go to your local park and you’ll see Dads experiencing the full range of emotions with their kids. Go to a sports field and you’ll see men sharing emotions with each other. go to a hardware store and you’ll see men expressing emotions.
These emotions are generally a sense of wonder, triumph, achievement, struggle against aversity.
Checkout the free emotional display by this guy
We do experience alot of wonderful emotions… Just not around modern women!
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Ghost – you dish it like a man.
Let’s wrestle.
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lol ghost likes to tap that ass be carefull xsplat he he he
might want to wear a chastity belt.
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@Rum:
I’m not being politically correct if it’s a possiblity, albeit a low one.
I could just as easily accuse you of paranoia.
@SmartyJones:
“You can spend a great deal of time educating yourself on that topic should you like and American history is a great place for it.”
Snarky comment not necessary.
European History could teach just as much about property rights. see: serfdom.
“The Obama-Chavez-Castro alliance has a completely different idea in mind.”
This is what always irritated me about some of the youth in this country. They thought it was hip to hate on Bush, so thought Chavez was a cool person for hating on Bush.
I think something is wrong when Chavez is BEFRIENDING Obama. But, hey, that’s just me.
@GhostofNicole:
Don’t you know, Lucifer was raised by wolves!
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If the girl’s father is a herb and the mother is a plain jane and the daughter looks like neither than the mother probably cheated with some passing alpha.
In fact, as a general rule of thumb, if the child looks like neither child than the mother was probably knocked up by some passing alpha and found a nice beta to support her bastard off spring.
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@ Mandy xd
You took the reference to American history re: the value of private property rights wrong. Look into the subject and you’ll understand why America is a good example to study.
The comment was literal not snarky.
Cuba Libre & Viva Honduras! (Not snark either.)
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Mandy,
You can take the side of genetic variation for $100.00 and I will take Cuckolding for the same amount every time.
I MAY lose one bet out of a hundred on the eye color thing.
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@ Rum, Mandy, et al
Eh, that’s a lot more common than you’d expect. I don’t think anyone has ever legitimately argued to the contrary, in the days of modern science. Because. Um. Duh. I’m not going to jump into a biology lesson, but if you understand phenotypes at ALL, you understand why that’s possible.
That said, I’m sure it depends on ethnicity, as well. For example, it’s unlikely that there will be any blue-eyed LILPXY babies, because I’m Asian and the boyfriend is half-Indian. Don’t you love that name mash-up? Heh.
As for Mandy’s article, I’m not so sure. Being the bio-nerd that I am, I would put money on cuckolding over genetic chance in the instance of a (legitimate) brown-eyed baby to blue-eyed or green-eyed parents. SRSLY.
Anyway, the article is already wrong, so I wouldn’t trust it: “It is uncommon for a baby to be born with brown eyes. Almost all babies have blue eyes because the iris has not yet made brown pigment (called melanin) that colors the iris.”
Lies! Almost all Asian babies and black babies are born with brown eyes, and that’s a majority right there.
SRS PWNGE.
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Mandy,
The difference between me and Lucifer is that I don’t care that everyone is damned.
Xsplat,
If the woman is with me, for whatever reason, she’ll believe it’s an emotional one at the time.
And the more aloof and assholish I am, the harder they come.
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**It should be noted that I said “(legitimate) brown-eyed baby.” In the article cited by Mandy, the questioner says the baby had brown eyes that changed to blue. I can’t explain that. Ask a doctor!
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Lawer
Maybe. Some girls get fucked for the requisite minutes by the requisite dick in the requisite way, but they still stared at the roof.
Can you explain your special magic? Other than being aloof?
I’m not negging you. It’s a bone of contention. A reason I neg on men. Most men can’t fuck, and many don’t even know it.
Then again – you’re right. It’s not a public subject. The screams my girls make is public enough. My testimony is how loud and for how long THEY scream.
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There are some women that have a bald fetish, but generally, its not considered a good look. However, when you are in love with someone, looks matter less. Most women agree that black men can pull off bald.
But here’s what I’m seeing. I know a number of women that use the internet to get to know men and weed ’em out before meeting a few. They usually go for at least two weeks to a month of online and telephone communication and flirting before they meet in real life.
While they are communicating via net and phone I get to hear how wonderful these men are, how deeply they communicate and how much chemistry there seems to be between them. Pics are exchanged and the women like what they see.
And then they meet…………….
Despite all the “chemistry” and “depth” previously felt and expressed, the women are coming back saying they will not date the men again BECAUSE OF LOOKS. They say, he’s fatter than in the photo or he sent a photo that was 10 years old or whatever.
Mind you, they still respect the men for their personalities but they refuse to be anything more than friends because the men don’t turn them on physically.
And I’m not just talking about young women here…..
So what’s up with this online dating world?
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Xsplat,
Ha ha ha. You want me to qualify myself too?
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I don’t know you, dude. The stories girls tell me, and the lack of noises in the communities I fuck in, tell me most men can’t fuck.
Maybe you can. You don’t talk like it.
Girls like a good raping, sure. By men they want to open to, emotionally, at least a tad.
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damit I’m dyslexic.
Women like to open up.
fuck, that’s 3 in a row. first I was pregnant.
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It occurred to me that if your girl is screaming during sex that might be evidence that you are doing things brilliantly right or terribly wrong.
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Xsplat,
I don’t disagree with you that most men either can’t fuck, or don’t care if they are any good at it, or assume they are.
My point was that all this crap about why a woman was there, or she was doing it because a guy is rich, or famous, or she isn’t attracted to an old guy, is all just crap really.
Unless a woman is sleeping with a guy to survive, she will have emotional reasons for why she is there, she will tell herself that she is passionate about the guy, or drawn to him, or there is something cute about him (It never ceases to amaze me how women can describe a complete prick in the most glowing terms).
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Older, perhaps I didn’t word that clearly enough. By “emotional monotreme” I mean becoming the emotional equivalent of an animal that poops, pees, and ejaculates from the same orifice.
Many reptiles are monotremes.
An emotional monotreme would be a guy who considers ejaculation to be on the level of pooping, and the people he ejaculates into, by extension, toilets. This line of thought is made worse by having sex with women who one considers substandard. No man should ever be that desperate, but sometimes a kind of obsessive pattern makes them think they need sex and it doesn’t matter from who…or that they don’t need sex or any other kind of sex related touching at all, which often leads to a kind of touch starvation.
Then they feel bad for the feelings of needing sex, and either try to suppress them or strip sexuality of its meaning as an expression of love, even the basic humanitarian kind.
This has historically led to some men, some rather famous ones, to believe that sex is a dirty thing. Some have even rerouted their sex drive to their anus in a way.
Speaking of which, Xsplat, I used to be more okay with pegging, but now I’m not so much anymore. I can’t function through sadness, and so many of them aren’t doing it as an alternate route for stimulation. They literally believe that they are dirty because of being born male, and this is a far cry from a cute girl-for-the-night fantasy.
I mean…I can only compare it to something like having a girl whispering in your ear about her dad molesting her during sex. You just know something was done to them to make them hate their penis.
I had the horrid displeasure about 20 years ago, of begging a friend all the way to that awful chair, not to have her non Jewish son circumcised at almost a year old. Initially, she didn’t want to do it, but then her family started to pressure her. She said she was becoming uncomfortable with having to clean his peepee well because he enjoyed it. I told her that’s natural, and that she should observe the “two shakes” rule baby version, and just be caring but “businesslike”.
It was…I can’t even describe the scream. I hated her so much after that.
Hmmm…maybe somewhere deep down, that’s what draws me here. I don’t want anyone to hate their penis. As a mostly straight woman, cock hatred is counter to my interests.
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Rum
I have a long history of either. And my voice is no slouch either.
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Rum,
ROFL
Xsplat,
Happens to all of us.
Look, men claim that women have three orgasms with them, they say all sorts of hyperbole and as you point out most of them suck. So I see no point in making those kinds of statements.
The biggest problem as I see it is that men see the end of it as the entire goal. I don’t. The entire act is pleasure, and it should be mutual and last as long as possible.
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Probably the best post on mother-daughter relationships to date. This is the best indicator to tell if a fox will turn into a manatee in 10 years. Thank you Roissy for “nailing the last nail in the coffin” on my ignorant idea of getting married. As a 20 year old, I greatly appreciate your life saving advice. Keep speaking the truth.
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Nicole – can’t answer you just now. I don’t know what pegging means, and I often role play rape or incest games.
I’m sure it’s counter productive to spit that out. At 22 some chick wanted me to pinch her nipples and treat her mean, and I thought she was nuts, and was happy to escape back to the sanity of the monastery and meditation retreats I was hanging at.
It was age appropriate to meditate in woods and hang with Buddhists. The nipple girl was a bit wacked.
So we’ll have a hard time using the same language. The nipple girl and I at the time could never meet on common ground. She wanted me to treat her rough, and that was nothing that was in me.
Nowadays, I’m rough and tumble.
What was your question again?
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Some women I have been with never came at all no matter what. Others came like a train from just working their ear lobes. The right kind of nipple-touch could routinely set off cosmic, knee-buckling joy spasms.
I long ago gave up trying to understand this. But I got the message nonetheless: Go towards the Light.
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“and was happy to escape back to the sanity of the monastery and meditation retreats I was hanging at. ”
…………………………………………….
Hare Krishna?
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Hell Lawer
Ya, well.
If the subject is interesting, people tend to take on responsibility to learn and become experts about it.
I suck often, but only to the extent that I’m out of touch with myself and the moment and my girl. At the best of times it’s a meditative moment – a surfboard moment – a flow moment. A time of nothing but now and here.
A power moment where my body is my instrument, and my woman is the instrument my body plays.
I take responsibility to lead up to those moments. Chi-kung. Sometimes meditation.
When I suck, it’s because my life didn’t pay attention enough to make me good enough. It takes years, and daily efforts. It’s serious.
You want to play the violin? Don’t diddle.
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Speaking of mothers and daughters: If you have a well developed taste for on-the-edge living, try keeping something going with both of them, even for a little while. I have a friend who tried it. It can keep your arteries clean if your luck holds
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Xsplat,
By your statements you are saying that most men do not find sex interesting:
1) “Most men can’t fuck, and many don’t even know it.”
2) “If the subject is interesting, people tend to take on responsibility to learn and become experts about it.”
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Xsplat, pegging is basically doing a guy in the butt.
If I love someone, I can do whatever it takes, but there’s a point when roleplay isn’t really roleplay. If it’s all in fun, then it’s all good. If it helps them work out an issue from their past, I can go there, but will just be more mindful.
There are some things though, that even if the act itself is relatively mild or common, I can’t do. Indulging that kind of dysfunction is one of them.
If a guy takes it too seriously when I’m calling him a dirty whore, and he’s not even a lawyer, then something is wrong.
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Lawer, I’m sure men like to fuck and find it interesting.
Interesting enough to be great at it, in an interpersonal way, such that the neighbours wife wants to call the police on your bitch girls ass?
Or, interesting enough to focus on meditative aspects of feeling ones own energies?
Not so much.
Interesting enough to learn how to not come, but rise higher and higher in feeling? And to move those feelings at will to various parts of the body?
Not so much.
Interested enough to use sex as mindfulness awareness practice, times 100?
Not so much.
Sex is better than good. I’m glad my girlfriends are involved.
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Xsplat,
You’re into tantric. I should have seen that in your statements.
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Anonymous
Women get into a panic when their biological clocks get to ticking, scramble, and settle for the best option that they can get in a short order. Then later, as the clock is eased, they wake up from the bio-induced fugue to discover that they’ve settled for a chump, who looks like crap, isn’t very particular with his hygiene, and doesn’t know the meaning of foreplay. Women then decide they would probably be better off by themselves.
Guy putzes around, meets the hottest, most high quality girl he can afford. Hormones lead to marriage. Guy gets comfortable with the amenties of the wife, takes the day-to-day for granted, and tunes out her complaints/nagging, only to wake up one day, and discover that he married a heartless wench who looks at him with contempt. Guys don’t want to keep the kids, but also don’t want the expense of the kids either.
Perfectly predicatable given the biological realities of the sexes that women settle more than men, and consequently also regret the settling and file for divorce more than men do.
But I think all this caterwauling about aging is for the birds. The fact is, for both sexes, once we’ve reached a certain point, our desirability to the opposite sex goes down to nearly zero. Are there exceptions? Of course, but don’t plan your life around being the lucky winner of that lotto. Can a dirt-poor, but handsome 40 year-old guy pick up a comely 20 year-old girl with the same ease as a dirt poor handsome 20 year old guy can? No, of course not, and it is a stupid fantasy to pretend that they can, game or not. Money will make a girl tolerate you, but it won’t make a girl sexually attracted to you. So yes, she willl put up with your crap, and even marry you, for money. But don’t be shocked if she turns around a few years later, and leaves, taking your money with her. For some women, it was only that part that they liked anyway.
*golf claps*
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Tantric. Yup.
I get less pedandic when talking about specifics, and chi-kung seems to me to be synesthesia, which is particular to the individual. But people can get very subtle in their perceptions, and synesthesia is an incredibly excellent outlet for subtle perception. Chi-kung body centric feelings seem to be widely accessible – especially sexually. But they are grown, in the brain, over time. Created sensations. Whole body meaningful visions.
Put it this way – you can practice visualizing some big picture. Your body can also, kinesthetically. So sex can be a whole body kinesthetic visualization.
Not saying it gets you browny points or anything, but it can be more than a squirt.
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There is no competition more relentless than between a mom and a young daughter. Especially since they both know on an intuitive level that their pussies are wired the same. But you will need a viable Plan of Escape, for all sorts of reasons.
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Xsplat,
Chi-kung got me confused, since that’s chinese and tantric is Hindu. Now I understand where you’re coming from. (and no, don’t go into a big explanation of the connectedness of the two things, it doesn’t matter, I have some familarity with both).
It is interesting that you mention roleplaying in connection with that philosophy and rough and tumble.
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Rum
“There is no competition more relentless than between a mom and a young daughter. Especially since they both know on an intuitive level that their pussies are wired the same. But you will need a viable Plan of Escape, for all sorts of reasons.”
You are the kind of crazy that I admire.
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Rum – you are saying that women have an intuitive understanding that nature truimphs over nurture?
Yet they rally to the cause of nurture.
Must be they need social control, over nature.
Damn men, and their natural inclinations. Control them with social shaming.
Like Whiskey and Tood and Doug want to do to women. Shame on them.
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I’ll echo what Esquire wrote; watch the dynamic between her mom and dad since most girls model their parents in their own relationships. Also, the old saw about “fathers that vamoose make for girls that are loose” applies even if the dad stuck around. Emotional distance can have similar effects. The implication here is to observe your girl’s relationship with her dad. If they bonded and have a good relationship then that bodes well for you. If there is animosity or any weird psychodynamics involved — like being super nice during a visit but bad mouthing him behind his back — then trouble looms ahead or slutdom is in her past. Proceed with caution.
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Rum is coming out of the booth at this point.
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Re getting fat: Everyone is getting fat in this country, not just ex-hotties. Its not “lack of will power” or being sedentary or (primarily) genes — it is all the sugar and carbs people are eating. Carbs are really bad for you and are probably the cause of obesity, cancer, heart disease and accelerated aging. The medical and nutrition “experts” are idiots and are ignoring a vast amount of research and clinical experience prior to WWII and also more recent work from the 80’s and 90’s on insulin, fat metabolism and blood chemistry that prove the case. Read Gary Taubes’ book “Good Calorie, Bad Calories” for a review of the science. I wish I had these facts when I was 20.
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I don’t know dave isn’t rice a carb?
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White rice is not good for you. Why do you think there is so much diabetes in India?
Whole grains. Veggies. Fruits. All organic.
Eat your veggies raw as much as possible.
Marinephytoplanktons.
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Who’s talking tantra here?
I’m Indian and I can tell you that what you’re being sold as “tantra” here in the US has nothing to do with real tantra.
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Gunslinger wrote;
“I don’t know dave isn’t rice a carb?”
(… I’ll play along…)
Why yes Gun, rice is a carb.
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People are getting fat because they consume more calories than they expend. It is not the type of calories making them fat.
People go bankrupt when they chronically spend more money than they earn. It’s not credit cards.
Somethings in life are just not complicated.
BTW, I am surprised Lucifer’s opinion that white men haven’t gotten much in return for their “good” treatment of women hasn’t caused more discussion. That situation goes right to the heart of what Roissy’s blog is about. Getting what you want from women. What works, what doesn’t. No bullshit. Come to think of it, what have white men (or any men) gotten from treating women well?
That is an interesting question. Just asking that question would get men into trouble in many different venues.
That would be a great topic for a college essay or term paper. I wonder if they will ever assign that topic? (You have had your laugh for the day.)
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”””””””””’The David
Gunslinger wrote;
“I don’t know dave isn’t rice a carb?”
(… I’ll play along…)
Why yes Gun, rice is a carb.”””””””
Well then that means it ain’t the problem. There are billions of people eating rice three times a day and not fat.
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oh shit I changed that wtf I’ve gone purple nooooooo
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obesity in women is being caused by the female ethic of nonjudgmentalism and the removal of all shame from our moral vocabulary. it also arises from the female insistence that there is NO reason men aren’t attracted to fat women that isn’t “shallowness” or “insecurity” (they can’t HANDLE a REAL woman!). any notion that a stern father could harrass his teen daughter into staying slim is gone–that woul dbe remembered as abuse one day in false memory syndrome therapy sessions.
when extended families lived together they all watched each other like hawks for improper behavior and women weren’t just scared of their sexual reputations, but their reputations in all things that would make them marriage material. you didn’t have women living alone or with just one roomate or man eating pints of hagen daaz and watching tv. also, the advent of cheap clothing with elastic did NOT help–as in the old days a weight gain meant all of your clothing had to be physically let out by YOU–clothing was very expensive and required hard work to make and maintain. today, a pair of stretchpants is $10 , so have another cookie and go watch sex in the city, fatty.
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T’is interesting no female commenters hit back by saying they judge a bloke by looking at his father. I wonder what women would think if their athletic boyfriend has a lumbering walrus of a father only to see a photo of father when he was young and he was athletic? Look into the future . . .
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Dana: Sadly, all true. I have had young fatties – 20somethings who otherwise would have been very attractive (pretty skin, hair, eyes) except for, oh yeah, the extra 80lbs they’re carrying around, ask me why I wasn’t remotely interested. “You’re fat” is my stock reply, no need to be eloquent. I suppose if a woman hears that enough, it might create an impression. I have scored a couple women who were intrinsically 8s but had packed on 20-30 lbs (mostly in T&A, fortunately) and they had complexes like you wouldn’t believe … they knew they were fat, and going to get fatter, and they hated it, and they took that out on men.
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Lawyer:
“It never ceases to amaze me how women can describe a complete prick in the most glowing terms”
My theory is that women turn non-character qualities into character traits. If he is cute, then he is nice. If he is wealthy, then he is generous. And so on.
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ctnapalm,
doesn’t that fit with the theory that a great many of the traits that cause “attraction” are actually proxy markers for traits that have high genetic value, i.e., a handsome, “open” face as a marker for good disposition, aggressiveness as a marker for the ability to hunt food and protect her (or today acquire wealth), confidence as a marker for ability to attain status etc.
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they can’t HANDLE a REAL woman!
I love it how physical deformities such as obesity, which are self-inflicted through gluttony and sloth, are normalized. Like fattie clothes being sold as “Woman’s Size.”
And grotesque rolls of sexually-repellant, diabetes-causing, heart-killing, knee-ruining fat are called “curves.”
I think this started in the early 1980s with alcoholism being referred to as a disease rather than weakness of character.
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Pa,
exactly–the therapeutic culture spelled the death of shame and and the pathologizing of what was previously just “bad character”. also, the weakening of traditional western religion. if you look at the “seven deadly ‘sins'”, they actually comprise a list of bad character traits–sloth, gluttony, vanity–etc
the switch from a character model to a pathology model simultaneously implied the notion that someone “can’t help it” they are “sick” and that they could be “cured” by some outside agent like a medicine and not by the hard work of improving oneself from the inside out.
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PA: Was that the time women’s influence increased in medicine?
Hmm.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1704860&blobtype=pdf
Correlation =/= causation. It is all part of leftist ideologies? Who pushed for these labels?
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bhetti–if you are not familiar you might enjoy
http://szasz.com/szaszwri.html
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particularly of interest
“the medicalization of everyday life”
http://www.szasz.com/freeman23.html
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Dana: Oh, wonderful, thank you!
Fun related Royal Society of Medicine essay for you:
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I did an act of kindness once back in the 1990s. My mid-20s.
I was at a club with my then-girlfriend and some other people, including her very (VERY!) fat girl-cousin who was visiting from out of town.
At one point — I still remember the song: it was “Coco Jumbo” (heh) by Mr. President — my male-model-looking male friend and I started dancing with the fattie, freaking her, grinding our hips into her, running our hands over her arms and torso, as she was sandwitched between us. She was in nirvana.
Unlike most fatties, she had a very pleasant personality and her low self-esteem manifested itself in meek sadness rather than resentful ‘tude, so I was glad to do something nice for her.
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fatties get an attitude when they discover they’ve been lied to their whole lives about the import of their appearance, the same way reformed sluts get guarded and hard when they discover they’ve been lied to about their value on the marriage market after taking 1000 pairs of balls to the chin
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Dana:
RSM essay:
“Where once stood CS Lewis, now stands Dr Phil.”
“Today,psychiatry,and its panoply of psychotropic medication, may be the literal ‘opium of the people’.”
Could we call psychiatry and pop psychology a matriarchal alternative and substitute to traditionalist patriarchal religion?
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Lawyer from hell
100% true.
You don’t pay prostitutes for the sex,you pay them to leave after wards. Women not doing it for the money, will develop an attraction to the guy, even if before the sex they did not like him very much, he will become something wonderful in our minds.
I can’t explain biologically why this would be so other than to help us bond to the father’s of our children.
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fatties get an attitude when they discover they’ve been lied to their whole lives about the import of their appearance
Similar to Betas when they discover they have been lied to all their lives about the importance of being a meek and nice guy.
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I agree with you on fattie delusions, but I also wish most guys would realize same thing about being beta. Just like men have a natural aversion to fatties, women have a natural aversion to betas. But a lot of betas cry sour grapes the way a lot of fatties do: “She just can’t handle a good, decent guy” or “She’s shallow” or “She just likes assholes.” A lot of the same guys around here who hate attempts to shame them into dating fatties make comments supporting setting up a society that shames women into dating betas.
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Aww so viscious on the fatties. Good thing I am a dude I suppose. Otherwise yea prob would matter.
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yuch @ the thought of “viscous fatties”
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Ultimately, the purpose of the whole “treating women well” movement is to ensure the election of leftists. You remember the previous post on the gender gap in voting? Leftists like Clinton and Obama are two outstanding examples of beneficiaries of all the increased “treating women well” that has occurred since the 1960s.
Paradoxically, alphas benefit from the movement to “treat women well”, even though they don’t “treat women well” as betas understand it.
Which again ties into the previous post about women voting for Democrats. Obama is cute, and therefore he is good, kind, generous, decent, etc etc etc.
If a man’s market-value were primarily related to looks, this advice would be valid. Since the man’s looks don’t matter that much, the father’s looks don’t matter that much.
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you are confusing men treating women “well” with men treating them as “equal”.
in the victorian era, the height of anglo paterfamilias style marriage, women were treated as morally superior porcelain dolls and were protected and cherished by the men whom THEY treated as a respected king in the home.
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Good point, similar to what I was making. But I think it’s less excusable for a fattie to be so deluded because no matter what PC lies about weight she receives from feminists, as soon as guys hit puberty they will be going for all her hot friends and leaving her in the dust. The opposite sex won’t actively be feeding her delusion or giving her mixed signals. On the other hand, betas can go from cradle to the grave getting mixed signals and lies from the opposite sex and never discovering the truth. I’ve met 50 year old betas who still by into the nice guy myth.
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there are two reasons to treat other well. the first is that you’re just that kind of person. the second is to identify those who deserve that treatment. if you go around being nice to people for any other reason (e.g you expect something in return) and you are just being naive.
i give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves unworthy.
Lance’s Golden Rule:
Do unto others as they are asking to be done.
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Treating others as yourself has nothing to do with expecting a benefit.
A woman can smell beta ass kissing a mile away. She has plenty of experience with it and when a guy “plays nice” she will either be revolted by it or seek to temporarily exploit it for gain.
And the beta deserves it for the expectation of benefit.
It has nothing to do with the golden rule.
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@LilGrl:
The statement is commonly said because at least three quarters of America is white.
Most white babies have bluish eyes when born.
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Mandy! XD, you tell thsoe racist babies! Nobama is God!
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Mandy XD, you sill stupid whore, a person whose logic goes, “Anyone who didn’t vote for Nobama (my lord and savior) and.or made a joke about black people once is an evil racist” is a nutty left wing idealogue.
You made such an argument
Ergo, you are a nutty left-wing idealogue.
QED.
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And you call yourself logical…
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That’s pretty logical, sea cow.
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Lurker, why do you even bother? Why?
Why do you even waste your time?
Why do you even care?
Do you think you’re doing these people some kind of favor?
You have the capability to leave really, really good comments! Why don’t you do that instead?
What is wrong with you?
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Mandy XD, you have no credibility because your insane political beliefs.
Unfortunately, due to the nature of this board, some people haven’t been privy to your insanity and have mistaken you for a credible person.
Also, quite sadly, because you claim to be a non-fat 17 year old girl, many commentors have gone beta and give you more credit than you would deserve even if you weren’t a left-wing nutcase.
People need to be told/reminded of your insanity. And that laying out for a fake 17 year old is betahood.
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Solid thoughts – many of which Roissy has already said!
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2009/07/why-we-must-discriminate/
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“Mandy XD, you have no credibility because your insane political beliefs.”
Nothing about my political beliefs, or lack thereof, is insane.
“Unfortunately, due to the nature of this board, some people haven’t been privy to your insanity and have mistaken you for a credible person.”
Well, yeah, that is beyond me. Luckily they haven’t made the same mistake with you. 🙂
“Also, quite sadly, because you claim to be a non-fat 17 year old girl,”
I AM a non-fat 17 year old girl. They’re not extinct, you know.
Wow, I sound like a food product now. (non-fat milk!)
” many commentors have gone beta and give you more credit than you would deserve even if you weren’t a left-wing nutcase.”
I don’t think anyone on here’s gone beta.
” And that laying out for a fake 17 year old is betahood.”
No one is doing that. And I actually am 17. What, do you think I’m older? I’m flattered, but no. Sorry. Still jailbait. I know it’s disappointing.
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Oh, and lurker, you still haven’t done me the favor of answering the questions I posted for you.
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http://us.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/07/21/o.the.male.brain/index.html
Not much new in this article but it’s still pretty interesting.
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I’ve read articles about Simon Baron-Cohen. I think most of what he says is shet, but hey. I’m not just saying it irritates feminists, a number of men find it offensive that he has a tendency to paint all men with “mild forms of autism.”
I guess he’s just speaking for most men and women, the middle of the bellcurve. The BBC laps up what he says as truth though. I stopped trusting the BBC after I took a test at their website and it said I had a male brain. >.>’
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It’s also interesting to see how the girl interacts with her parents. Girls, without question, are attracted to males who in some way remind them of their fathers. Does she treat her father with respect? Expect her to do the same to her mate. Is she a ‘princess daddy’s girl’ who runs all over her father? She’ll expect the same treatment from you.
What about mom? Is mom a good homemaker? More importantly, during the visit does she help mom with housework/preparing food/dishes? If she does then chances are that she’ll keep her home like that. If she sits on her ass and rolls her eyes while mom does everything, then odds are that her apartment is a pit and she expects everything done for her. You can bet that she gets by on her looks and leads with her snatch.
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uuuuummmm
The answer is very simple.
Let her leave if she wants to.
Without your money.
40yos marrying 20yos, even if the 40yo has bucks, is not what anyone here has advocated. That might bio work in some cultures but not in ours, with it’s current cultural belief in hyper extended adolescence and general girl over empowering and pampering.
37yo marrying 27yo’s is what many here recommend. As well as successful, fit and gameful 42yos marrying 27yos (with a serious prenup). Or better, living together. Unless you must have kids.
The current divorce law and child support situation is absurdly male oppressive in American and the Anglosphere.
It must be changed. Prenups can help but not with child support=alimony. Perhaps revolution is needed.
For other things as well. As a result of decades of feminist discrimination in favor of girls and against boys and doing everything to make school environments girl education maximizing and boy emasculating and non accomodating, 38% more girls now graduate from college than guys and 50% more girls graduate from law school than guys.
The feminist nightmare is upon us. Revolution needed.
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Gunslinger wrote…
“Well then that means it [carbs] ain’t the problem. There are billions of people eating rice three times a day and not fat.”
/sarcasm
Damn, I guess Taubes missed that one fact that refutes the rest of his 600+ page book. Good work Gun.
/sarcasm
Joel wrote…
” People are getting fat because they consume more calories than they expend. It is not the type of calories making them fat.”
This is the CW on obesity… and I used to believe it too but the science and evidence does not support it. If you reduce calories and exercise it will just make you hungry. If you reduce calories enough it will make you lethargic. Neither will stop fat cells from growing in the presence of insulin. It is true that someone that is getting fat has to eat more calories than they expend (first law of thermo) but the causation goes the other way. This is one of the key points in Taubes’ book. The
way he puts it is young kids grow taller because of growth hormone not because they eat more. The same is true for fat people except the source of the hormone is eating carbs. Carbs cause an insulin rise which is the hormone regulating fat cells to store fat — and they take that energy first thus leaving the other cells starved of fuel and thus always hungry and often lethargic as well, which are the dependent variables.
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@doug:
While the disparity present in law school graduations is a bit more extreme than it should be, doesn’t it seem naturally a bit more female than other professions? Yes, no one wants to imagine a woman arguing, fighting even, but it does involve negotiation, people skills, etc. It involves understanding what your client wants and getting it. Ultimately, lawyers are always working for someone else, even if they do have their own firm.
And women that are tough lawyers are probably women who have been working as a lawyer for so long that their personality turns into perma-lawyer mode (aka I just sold my soul mode), or they truly see the dark side in people and always have their shields up to protect themselves from BS.
Just my thought on lawyers.
When you start seeing an extreme number of women graduating with STEM degrees, then you should really, really worry.
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Tarl–
I agree with parts of that.
All efforts to increase female attainment in education and the workplace relative to men, and lets be honest, that’s just what they’ve been, now need to be flipped in the other direction. Full stop. Reversed.
It’s better for society and families that men earn more than women and not just because they work longer. That they on average have been jobs etc.
Women probably shouldn’t be discriminated against if they’re clearly and unmistakably more qualified but all efforts to tilt the scale in womens direction should end. Coin tosses should routinely go to men. The likelihood of an individual woman wanting more leave time, given her history and or family situation should be something that can be considered instead of illegal discrimination. And so on.
Yes, I want to tilt things in favor of men in education and the workplace. While still allowing outstanding female talent and consistent workplace drive to rise as high as it might, and women to be present at all levels and competing at all levels.
Just an absolute end to female favoritism, and instead, allowing some male edge or if you like, arguable light favoritism, or at least that is what will be claimed by feminists.
Oh and while we’re at it, end all sexual harassment law, which is really pervasive potential anti male terror in the workplaces. Keep only the most limited “you’re fired if you won’t give me a bj” sexual harassment. (Note, getting the bj and then not some super promotion down the road, pissing her off, will no longer be enough. There has to be the clear and provable threat to fire if it wasn’t.)
The current feminist policies are simply nuts.
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Ignore my last comment or two. Silly beer ramblings. Drinking and posting – not always a good combo.
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The current feminist policies are simply nuts.
I posted a link elsewhere about how in Britain, even non-Muslims are going to Muslim courts (the existence of which in Britain itself is astonishing).
The revolution will not be pleasant. But Islam is on a collision course with feminism…
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Mandy–
No.
I graduated from a top law school. Some time ago when the numbers where about reversed at my school anyway. (Though I didn’t stay in law long, nor did I think I likely would.) Nobody would have or did say what you’re saying now, then. Instead there was this push and hope for 50/50 (which I never shared).
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The David is right – high carbs/sugars, esp. the HFCS processed kind, are a major contributing cause to the epidemic of obesity. That and unnaturally large portion sizes. It’s the Atkins argument – his views on insulin spikes, glycemic index etc. have gone from kooky weight-loss cult in the 60s to mainstream today. I think the low-carb diet works better, and faster, on people who are already overweight but it’s valid for everyone. No sugars or starches – only protein, fats and veggies – plus regular exercise, not even excessive exercise – and you’ll be amazed how easy it is stay fit and trim.
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Joel says, “People are getting fat because they consume more calories than they expend. It is not the type of calories making them fat.”
Maybe not on the outside. It’s the poison and unrecognizeable sludge your liver’s trying to deal with that matters more.
See how many calories you’ll be unconsciously expending after living for some years on a 2500-3000 calorie diet of 70% grains, and get back to me on that.
Dude, I’m back to my old nearly hyperactive self. I am NEVER going back to the big fat lie.
Okay, I’ll try to explain this in MTVese…
Why do you think people lose alot of weight on a low fat diet initially?
…because it’s not just that they’ve eliminated most of the fat. They’re putting less of the junk fat into their bodies.
Why does it stop working, and result in low energy?
…because the body needs fats that it can actually use. Humans were not built to handle vegetable fats without the vegetable that comes with it.
How many cans of corn does it take to get a teaspoon of corn oil?
What is a canola?
What does the hydrogenation process do to an oil?
These are questions you should be asking…and *this* is what you should be fussing at fat folks about, not calories.
With the exception of extremely disordered eaters, they’re eating too many calories because they aren’t getting what their body needs from the food they’re eating. They’re overcompensating.
Dana says, “obesity in women is being caused by the female ethic of nonjudgmentalism and the removal of all shame from our moral vocabulary. it also arises from the female insistence that there is NO reason men aren’t attracted to fat women that isn’t “shallowness” or “insecurity” (they can’t HANDLE a REAL woman!). ”
Nah, that’s just the side effect. Because of the misinformation most of them are getting about nutrition, they see the real women they know who are less invested in their appearance getting fat, and they think it’s natural. Getting fat will happen to most women who are not obsessing, but believe what they’ve been told by the media, and follow the basics.
Much like I was, they’re the dupes of shady mechanics who break stuff so you have to bring your vehicle back. Then they can sell you magic pills.
They’re coping or giving up based on the information they have. You can’t hold them accountable for things they don’t know, and really don’t have a way of finding out unless they’re anthropologists or something.
I was from one of those “fat families”. We’re all losing weight by eating like my great grandparents. If you would have told any of us 10 years ago that this was the way to solve our problem, we wouldn’t have believed you.
The woman who helped me figure out where to begin was Kathleen Dielemans. I had to surf around some months looking for specific things until I found Weston A. Price.
Really, this is about who’s controlling the information, and people mostly not being independent enough to dig the truth up on their own, and take the risk of testing it.
Whatever other hype and stupidity comes out of it is due to the same.
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Its amusing to discuss with girls guys who were into them, who failed to bed them, but who stood a very good chance. They were too nice, didn’t push hard enough.
Amusing, and saddening and sickening at the same time. Lucky me, I suppose.
Lance
Lance, I agree. Where we differ is in seeing what women want. Women want to be treated like a devilish whore. That’s why nice guys finish last. They don’t treat women as they want to be treated.
Perhaps I’m making my point too strongly. Women like a man who knows that the girl wants to fuck him, and who gets from A to B despite her protestations.
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And here I thought I was the only guy who partially qualified a woman’s potential based on what her parents look and act like. It’s refreshing to find out that other people do this too.
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When I pick up a girl on a first date, I like to flatter her parents. I say things like, “Hey Mrs. Johnson. I see where Lucy gets her tits! And I can see where they’re going to end up.”
– Steve Martin
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Not all lawyers are the same. Litigation is naturally masculine – the purpose is to crush your enemy in face-to-face combat – and the best litigators are aggressive, dominant, and masculine.
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When feminists first began to talk about fat as a “feminist issue” back in the late 1970s/early 80s, they really were thinking of women of normal weight – of the Marilyn Monroe/Ava Gardner/Betty Grable type – who really would have been condemned as “too fat” and “too short” by the fashion stylists of that period. These women, of course, were not fat, even at their peak weights; they were merely curvy and soft-bodied, not having spent much time in the gym in their day.
The average woman had not yet reached the weight range now common among American women. (It’s not quite as bad yet here in Canada, but we’re heading in that direction.) No one back then anticipated or foresaw that women – and men, to a lesser degree – were going to get a great deal fatter over the next 15 years or so.
In recent years, feminist writers have become more aware of the problems suffered by overweight women, and they do sometimes raise the alarm about the dangers of excess weight. I suspect, though, that they still tend to blame these dangers on the “patriarchal capitalist society” that incessantly advertises food to men, women, and children.
Of course, patriarchal societies are seldom truly capitalistic, and vice versa, but few feminists allow themselves to be troubled by this issue.
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”””””””””””Dave,
Damn, I guess Taubes missed that one fact that refutes the rest of his 600+ page book. Good work Gun.””””””””
No sarcasm truth. You should write him a letter and demand your money back because he wrote 600 pages of shit.
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aliasclio-
What kind of societies are there, or have there been since genus homo became sapiens, other than patriarchal societies, and current day feminist ones (that are still way to patriarchal according to feminists) where to the extent they’re feminist and non patriarchal, the family is collapsing and divorce is sky high?
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@doug1:
Congrats Mr. Laywer. 😀
You have to remember, though, that at one point, not everyone would say that women should go to college.
Though I do agree with you.
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Young guys, take it from one of the over 50s here – in your late 40s the lower 30s women do look good to you. You aren’t comparingthem to the young 20s, you’re comparing them to your contemporaries (like your friends still with the 1st wife). Trust me on this, it happens (unless you at Berlesconi level wealthy/powerful).
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Far Eastern societies (China, Japan, etc.), while they do have their own set of problems, are places where male/female balance is better than anywhere else.
Women pursue ‘serious’ professions like engineering and business in large numbers. At the same time, there isn’t the American brand of ‘feminism’ that plagues America.
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One night, I found myself making out with a 46 year-old. She was amazing. Line up 10,000 other women her age, and she’ll be the hottest. I really want to meet her 24 year-old daughter.
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Doug1 asks,
What kind of societies are there, or have there been since genus homo became sapiens, other than patriarchal societies, and current day feminist ones (that are still way to patriarchal according to feminists) where to the extent they’re feminist and non patriarchal, the family is collapsing and divorce is sky high?
Doug hon, you’re allowing your masculine irritation at feminism to get the better of your understanding of the social order in history. The weird thing is, you’re doing this by using feminist definitions of terms like “patriarchy”. Because, of course, to feminists everything that isn’t all-out matriarchy is patriarchy.
But that isn’t so. A true patriarchy is a society in which a father (and that’s the father, not father + mother, or father + extended family) has more or less absolute control over the destinies of his children. Marriages? Careers? The father determines these in a patriarchal society, with minimal advice and consultation from the rest of the family. It’s the kind of hierarchy that’s only possible in a very hide-bound society, and one lacking in expansive “job creation”.
Capitalism, especially industrial capitalism, tosses patriarchy to the winds, because in a really dynamic society so many jobs will be created that fathers can no longer tell their sons what to do, and expect to be obeyed. “I want you to go into the family import business” says Patriarch. “Well, I want to go into engineering,” says son.
And with any luck, son is able to get in on the ground level in some firm that allows him to learn on the job. Of course, it was still better to have fatherly support, for apprenticeships, schooling, etc. cost money. But in many cases patriarchs of the old school were too poor to provide support anyway…they were losing ground. So their sons were forced to stake their own claims in life, often enough by going out to America or “the colonies”.
And all this meant that the daughters of patriarchs were more likely to be able to marry as they pleased – if, that is, they were able to marry at all. Because when a son is not dependent on his father for a start in life, he doesn’t have to listen to his father when the latter says “I want you to marry the girl next door”. But sons, wise in their own generation, still often preferred the daughters of well-off men, to give them an extra boost.
So capitalism, and especially industrial capitalism, with the huge expansion of non-agricultural jobs it brought in its wake, was anti-patriarchal – i.e. it worked against the authority of fathers as fathers.
But feminists always insist that capitalism = patriarchy, and have never been able to see why that isn’t true. Doug1, can it be that you are a bit of a feminist after all?
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Gunslinger…Taubes did NOT right 600 pages of shit. Read it yourself before you dismiss it.
Yes, there are millions of asians that eat rice everyday, and yes, rice is a carb. But there is a fundamental difference – and that’s called portion size and what you are eating your rice with.
Do you know how the Japanese Sumo Wrestlers bulk up to their 400+ lbs. weights to compete? They eat whole pots of rice in a single sitting.
The average skinny asian that eats rice at three meals a day? Look at their typical meals…rice is perhaps 15-20% of the total calories they consume…with the rest coming from vegetables and meats.
Nicole is right on too. I too found Weston Price, and changed my entire dietary lifestyle. Lost 35 lbs. 3 years ago and have kept it off with ease ever since.
Taubes is dead right.
Anyone who is fat can find out the truth for themselves. You don’t even have to buy Taube’s book. Just google his name and you’ll find articles he’s written, videos of his lectures he’s delivered, and a plethora of book reviews about his work.
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Gunslinger wrote…
“No sarcasm truth.”
You do understand that the /sarcasm markup indicates that *my* reply was sarcastic, no?
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AliasClio
I was indeed using the feminist notion of patriarchy, as opposed to matriarchy. I did indeed say in short form that all we’ve had since becoming fully homo sapiens anyway are patriarchies, despite early feminist theorizing of a pre state level agriculture and cities, “earth mother” matriarchal period. Of the handful of even arguable matriarchal societies, none of which truly qualifies, all are marginalized backwater or under thumbs by others groups.
Your definition of “true patriarchy” is what is rather idiosyncratic, at least to my knowledge though as usual you make interesting points.
I made no comment at all about the feminist conflation of capitalism and patriarchy or heightened patriarchy in the brief bit I wrote, though in alluding to the the universality of patriarchy until the present day I obviously wasn’t buying it.
(The basic reason why is that men are far more militarily strong than women and can and do dominate them and historically always have to a greater or lesser extent — and are needed to protect them from other men stealing them and treating them, worse as captives with few rights. That still obtains. Belief in democracy and giving the more numerous women, who also ally with minorities on the left, the vote, changed much.)
As well any notion that capitalism heightened the extent of the father’s influence or lessened that of women is I agree historically incorrect.
The present time is indeed far less patriarchal than ever before in history. I do not agree with you that the primary reason for that is capitalism, although modern technology that makes most work in advanced nations where feminism prevails head or dexterity work rather than brawn work, is important. Leftist ideology including specifically feminism but as well it’s allies, plus the vote for women has been more important.
Family law has turned the domestic realm in the Anglosphere into really one of matriarchy, or at least potentially so. It is so on divorce, or in the case of single motherhood, now approaching a 40% rate in the US. The two combined are WAY over half — I believe I saw the two together are about 75%- with no stable father at home much less patriarch. Instead, the mother matriarch.
It’s potentially so in any family where the woman threatens divorce. There’s still lingering male dominance in some or maybe still many cases when one includes older families, but feminism’s done it’s best to train that out of gen Y boys or acceptance of gen Y girls, despite it’s cost to marital hotness and solidity. As well we have the hair trigger domestic violence laws courtesy of feminism, that make a man guilty until proven innocent. These also constitute a tremendous diminution of natural male domestic dominance.
Not because men were previously in massive numbers regularly beating up their wives or live together girlfriends as femininsts have claimed or darkly hinted; but because a wife can now savagely and skillfully taunt him to her enraged and perhaps drunk hearts content and even repeatedly slap or even punch her husband with impunity (the way the law and cops and husbands actually work as opposed to theory) — but if he even so much as threatens her, or yells in restrained rage which she interprets as a threat of violence (“scared, so scared”), he can and will be hauled off to jail if she dials 911, forced to pay hundreds or maybe thousands of dollars in fines in the form of legal fees that feminist jurisdictions will require by refusing to drop the case even if she recants for months and many hearings, and slapped with a order of protection that will force him to move out of the house he entirely paid for, for months at least. Meanwhile he’s not allowed to call her on the phone or even take her call to straighten things up. All this with no proof and a claim of fearful threat only (but no history of violence), even if it was withdrawn a day or two later. Such is feminist law extremism in America today. Really.
If he actually does slap her in return, without seriously injuring her in any way, none, I repeat none, of this would be justified. Just as nothing happens if she does. But of course what feminists want is no male emotional or other violence, dominance, despite it being biologically inborn. They want it legally and progandistically neutralized, or reversed into effective female dominance at every turn. In fact feminists want male cowering fear over ever angering females enough to make any claim against them. Yet merely his threat or her claim of it (and how disprovable is that with the burden of proof effectively on him), will do ALL of this in feminist jurisdictions such as California and NYC and Mass. and many, many other places.
Feminists have done an analogous thing with hugely overreaching sexual harassment civil law in the workplace. In our hyper litigious society many workplaces take this to extremes with their own work rules designed to take no chances given the penalties easily possible for tiny acts. Of course most of the time most women want to get along and a little warning is all that’s made which is fine, but it’s all in an atmosphere, in some or many workplaces much more than some others, of a huge shift of power to women. Men always leaning over backwards to cause no offense by even general slightly crude behavior, if complained about. Men having to be oh so terribly careful about any dominance. All of this by virtue of last few decades feminist law rather anything in natural law or even in post industrial capitalist economic dynamics. Instead it comes from especially virulent Anglosphere feminist ideology, and the female right to vote.
It could be made very different.
It is very different in other equally advanced nations. Such as Japan. Such as France.
So yeah, we do have effective domestic matriarchy in the US as a legal matter. The culture still hasn’t changed enough so that is, especially with older couples, on a personal private level in the best functioning families. But it’s going that way more and more and the law is there now.
Further, we have had for several decades now extensive, massive, attempts to do everything possible to maximize girl performance in schools in myriads of try anything that will work ways (relative to boys let us never forget, which means downplaying and not much caring about boys’ performance, or hoping it’s worse, relatively). We now have an epidemic of ADD in schools overwhelmingly among boys, who are not allowed enough recess time or to rough house nearly enough and act macho boy during it, but are instead everywhere repressed into acting like good little girls, while the girls are encouraged to act like assertive and even aggressive and kick ass macho boys.
As a result, we now have 35% more girls graduating college and 50% more girls graduating law school than boys.
This must stop.
This must be reversed.
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”””””””’Dave from Hawaii
Gunslinger…Taubes did NOT right 600 pages of shit. Read it yourself before you dismiss it.
Yes, there are millions of asians that eat rice everyday, and yes, rice is a carb. But there is a fundamental difference – and that’s called portion size and what you are eating your rice with.
”””””””””””’
They eat extremelly small amounts of processed foods normally (like 0). Microwaved (0). The meat they eat was normally killed that day. Tons of different kinds of vegetables. Lots of fish killed that day. It is all (organic) you know what the health nuts are trying to get back too. lol
Well apparently you just have to be from relatively poor country and you eat healthy. Another irony maybe.
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@ Mandy! xD
Mmm…note how my point was that America is not a majority.
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cptnapalm wrote…
“My theory is that women turn non-character qualities into character traits. If he is cute, then he is nice. If he is wealthy, then he is generous. And so on.”
This observation is a nugget of gold — and why I love this blog.
Its consistent with my observation that women don’t reason they rationalize in the realm of sex and relationships.
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Gunny and Dave, Asians who still cook the old way also cook rice differently. They ferment it overnight first. It is then more digestible and has a lower glycemic index. It also tastes better, and I noticed that I don’t get that sugar crash an hour after eating it, like I did before I really knew how to cook rice.
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For what its worth:I know this family,the dad is Italian the mom jewish,theyre divorced.They have 3 daughters. Dudes! Two of the girls are just about the fatttest fattest fattest girls I have ever seen! Really fat:huge chins! Their feautures distorted. Man theyre FAT! The 3rd girl is of normal size–and hot as heck! Really pretty,sooo sexy. A dark-haired beauty! exotic and sweet. I would certainly eat her peaches!! The other 2,I would sooner donate my dick to Chastity Bono than get anywhere near either of these two rhinoes! Say what u will about genetics,but still, that 3rd daughter is hot…
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Roissy
Check this link out for pictures of the knees of various otherwise hot 40 year old Hollywood celebrities:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1201524/No-longer-bees-knees-Should-woman-legs-40.html
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Wow that was pretty amazing on the knee action.
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Gunslingergregi,
It may simply be an exercise issue.
Teri Hatcher is in that age range and does that “S-Factor” stripper pole dancing for upper class women gig.
A comparison of her knees to the rest of the pack would tell you if stripper pole exercise makes a difference for “40-something knee sag.”
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[…] lifestyle and genetics. As with all topics related to beauty these are the controlling factors. Roissy weighed in on the side of genetics being important. While Ferdinand Bardamu and Dr. Mercola came […]
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[…] Roissy, Dr. Mercola, and Ferdinand Bardamu (as well as myself) have all commented on how people age. The growing phase of living is similar to the dying process of aging. Life is parabolic. The apex (peak) of the parabola (life) will be between 20 and 30 years old and the value of the peak will be the highest physical attractiveness you attain. The same factors which affect the upward climb also affect the downward spiral. For this reason I think that lifestyle is far more important than genetics in your aging process. […]
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I can’t believe I’m reading this bunk. I need to get a life.
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