I am never in the company of men after 5.
– Bertrand Morane
After sex, the company of women can be a drag.
– Me
I spend a lot of time with women. Either seducing them, fucking them, fucking with them, listening to them, scratching the napes of their necks, or examining them like a disassembled timepiece. The purpose of such mingling goes deeper than enjoying the pleasure of their company. Books, mentors, a willingness to discard delusion and lies, and a keen eye will aid a man in his divine quest to acquire as much sex and love as he can handle from beautiful women, but no impetus to personal growth is as effective as direct interaction with the subject. Whether sex is or is not the goal, being around women sharply flattens the learning curve. There may be a gene yet discovered which grants its possessor the innate ability to know how a woman ticks, but if there is such a gene, it is a neural algorithm that quickly decays from disuse. Even the best naturals had to buck up and endure spend glorious time around women before their Asmodeus-blessed gifts could find full expression.
Given this reality, some men might make the understandable mistake that their every waking moment should be with women or, if no women are physically present, with women in their thoughts. This would be a false extrapolation. Like a diligent scientist deep in the bowels of his flourescently dismal lab who has forgotten the feeling of the sun on his face, a man who spends all his free time with women risks degeneration of his masculine core. Inhalation of the estrogenic fumes of too much distaff attention and his spirit becomes arthritic, his testicular acuity blurs into maudlin mush. Perspective is lost.
Men would do well to occasionally distance themselves from women and their petty intrigues, and the best way to do this is not through solitude but in the company of other men, reveling in hearty chest thumps, metaphorical or real, and swearing bloodstirring oaths to doctrines good and great that elude the grasp of women stuck in the mud of their uninspiring, earthy practicality. And men, unlike women, are capable of their high drama without uttering a word.
Let me cut to the chase: Women are mostly boring. Even, maybe especially, the brightest and most overeducated among them can induce cataract-like glazing of the eyes if given enough comfort and a sympathetic ear to unleash the menstrual force of their vaggy stream of consciousness. Disconnected from their bodies and sexuality, their flirtations and flattery, and their charm and whimsy, women are incapable of seriously entertaining for any length of time greater than the duration from leer to spent urge any but the most desperately cloying of men. Sure there are exceptions — women of particularly engaging personalities and surprising fondness for the abstract — but these exceptions serve merely to remind a man of the depressing drabness of the mass of women with their meager, provincial concerns.
Don’t lose contact with the world of men. Their vigorous, purposeful company is a refreshing tonic to the pedestrian prattle, contrived machinations, and histrionic solipsism of women.
Nice vest Roissy – looks very…nice on you. 😉
I think women hang around other women for the very same reasons – we enjoy our own company to men’s. Men and women are different and spending copious amounts of time together gets old fast. I advocate relationships between men and women keeping in mind that men need their men friends and women need theirs.
My observation sees many men isolating themselves from male companionship after a ltr begins – why is this? Is it a controlling woman?
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Are you guys drinking Yuengling or Schlitz on that camping trip?
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Apparently its a good idea to bring along your be-vested herb friend when camping in 1993.
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Aoef. I see that so many times, it’s not funny. Guys will disappear once they get in an LTR. They are all betas. Those relationships never last.
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@The truth
Funny thing is the women I know who have husbands who are ALWAYS around wish their dudes would get out more. They try to arrange for their husbands to connect with each other and do stuff outside the house. It seems in some ways the hubbies are choosing to stick around the home front. Mind you I’m thinking there are limitations from the women on what ‘do stuff’ means to them, it’s not likely bar hopping.
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spend glorious time around women
Even better: spend glorious time around women with glorious natural pelts.
Peter
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ROISSY IN THE HIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZOUSEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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“mostly boring” … hmm. not sure i totally agree with this. even if you posit subtracting out the sex element – which makes them exasperating, fascinating, enticing, maddening – you still have the yin to the yang. feminine personality traits which have their undeniable upsides: compassion, nurturing, empathy, emotional support. (whether these quintessentially female personality traits are present, encouraged, suppressed, etc. in today’s society is another question.)
you seem to be saying that your prototypical female won’t be able to hold up a conversation interesting to a man, even if educated, mainly because they will see life through the prism of these traits. (and also the negative, flip side of feminine traits: controlling, manipulative, self-absorbed, etc.) but that’s blaming women for not being men. we want real women, right? not men with pussies? so you gotta take the bad with the good.
that said, this bit reinforces your point on the value of time spent among men. but “mostly boring” ? uh, no, not in my experience.
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which one of you pitched the tent?
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4 guys and a tent.
No thanks.
I have no interest in male bonding.
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That’s the thing. Guy time tends to be best when it IS vigorous and purposeful. Less good when it’s just e.g. drinking together and watching a game esp. if only on TV.
Mountain climbing. Skiing on the black diamonds with a couple of male buddies while the girls are on easier stuff and knock off earlier. Heli skiing in powder with the same couple of buddies.
Some work is still like this in mostly male areas.
Lots of work used to be like this and often something was lost when it stopped being. Fred Reed has a great article that M.Blowhard linked a few months ago on the tremendous change in the culture of newsrooms and reporting once women started entering journalism in bulk. I’m sure it’s findable at Fred’s blog: Fred on Everything.
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“you still have the yin to the yang. feminine personality traits which have their undeniable upsides: compassion, nurturing, empathy, emotional support. (whether these quintessentially female personality traits are present, encouraged, suppressed, etc. in today’s society is another question.)”
Can anyone say Beaaaa-ta! No? How about Herb?
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That was uplifting except those chairs should have been an old log ripped barehanded from the forest he he he
This blog has some of that going on.
But yea women aren’t gonna help you build that resteraunt by hand it is your buds who you are gonna bond with, while maybe inspiring to drink while you work. (the woman will cook but will be unseen in the background.)
Maybe we need some guy projects. Instead of blog happy hour where ya drink and meet with people. Buy a bunch of wood some saws, nails, hammers, things that can chop your hands and fingers off and build something. So you can have something to inspire awe like, we did that.
he he he
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Peter did it again!
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Roissy- You must be writing a book, because lately your writing has been even better than usual. Book quality, in fact. My favorite part of the post:
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Oh, man, women have the worst conversations when they’re isolated from a personal context. I’m guilty of engaging in long conversations about relationships, gossip, and even in small asides concerning clothes, but as soon as I’m working alone in a coffee shop and I hear group-female gab, I think, “Holy shit, this is so vapid. How do they function?” Truthfully, it’s because we like to hear ourselves talk, so we talk reflexively about a lot of things.
Having said that, some of the best conversations I’ve had were with women.
Sometimes I do seek out male friends when I’m suffering from a serious dearth of structured, conversation. Er, structured isn’t apt, but discussing say, why that new building they erected on ‘x’ street is representative of the poor urban planning and lousy architecture in every other part of the city, not Janey getting married.
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Oh yea this is where it also helps to have woman who know there place when it is men time. So that you can have woman and men together and the men do men shit and the woman do woman shit ie bringing drinks not talking or interrupting.
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@ Fabian
“Roissy- You must be writing a book, because lately your writing has been even better than usual. Book quality, in fact. My favorite part of the post:”
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I agree, Roissy. Perhaps, it’s a modern sequel/satire to Jerome Jerome’s Three Men in a Boat. Title variations are endless….!
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aoefe–
Isn’t that in fact what a lot of “girls night out” amounts to, as currently practiced, when it is?
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Self-correction: When I said “structured”, I meant “topical”.
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After going through a divorce, it took me some time to regain the stamina to be around women much at all. These days, there’s precious little escape for men. Work, study and entertainment are all heavily female.
I feel that I can be myself around men, and they tend to like me, but around women I have to be careful about expressing my thoughts, I am pressured to flattery, and I have to pretend to agree with their inane opinions.
For example, the other day before a meeting I heard these women talking about yoga and the Indian spirituality. Some herb agreed, saying that he found yoga “uplifting.” My first impulse was to inform them that the only women who practice yoga in India are temple prostitutes (Yogini), and that a man who would practice yoga with women would be considered the lowest kind of scum — in all likelihood a guy who sells his ass. Of course, I had to smile and say, “oh, that’s nice.”
Spending all of one’s time in the company of women has a bad effect on men. It breaks our task-oriented focus and undermines our sense of our place in the world.
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Unless male conversation is totally different when all women are absent than when only one or two is around I have seen little indication of this
in a way that really is different than women amongst women. (perhaps the specifics of the actual conversation vary a bit, but the conversation, it’s flows and content and bloodstirring depth? yeah. sure.)
Examples please.
This, though, is true.
(though women can also have full nasty conversation without words, often in presence of a man at a bar.)
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@aoefe:
“I think women hang around other women for the very same reasons – we enjoy our own company to men’s.”
Speak for yourself.
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Hey S, I’ve got a bottle of Manichevitz and a gallon of mazola. Wanna go camping?
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Roissy,
In my humble opinion men are the gender that is naturally more intuitive and passionate. One has to look no further than the greatest scientists, thinkers and businessmen. These fellows possessed purpose, passion and devotion for that which was outside the mundane and their immediate physical surroundings. Men, to me anyways, have more imagination and creativity. Such people need to be around others who are similar. Napoleon Hill would take it one step further and discuss the basic need for a Master Mind group (something which you yourself are in practice creating through this blog that draws like-minded people together).
This is why Ancient Greek culture encourage men to form strong bonds with one another. A woman was not a soul-mate. She was simply someone who bore children and for good reason. She could neither understand nor relate to the pain involved in giving spiritual birth to ideas, inventions and democracies. Such strong brotherhoods were what build successful societies. The West needs to be reminded of this.
Women as an whole, can not inherently relate to men’s passions and hobbies. I am convinced, through observation and interaction with other women, that it is because they themselves are so void of the passion and spiritual thirst that accompanies the vigorous pursuit of various hobbies and activities. They find it boring or feign interest because it is the trendy thing to do. Genetically, they are not programmed for it (save a few outliers).
Out of personal experience, I can tell you that a woman who has hobbies outside of shopping, make up ect, needs to learn to accept this and either chose to join the herd or be content pursuing hobbies alone. But what humans do not understand, they fear and attempt to oppress. This is easier to do than to seek the ugly truth. I think this is the subconscious reason why so many wives nag their husbands so much when hubby wants to go out and hang with his buds, or lock himself in the laboratory.
Signing out.
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@The Snatch Whisperer
I’m not sure I get the joke. But, I love Manischewitz. I’m a goy that loves all things kosher.
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S.
Obviously how vapid or interesting such all female or female dominated gab sessions are will depend on the women.
But… my observation about that is that most girls DO just like to hear themselves talk and “express their emotions” big and trivial. When there are serious emotional issues to express (that aren’t being hidden) many women can be quite good at getting at them. But the more they’ve done this lately esp. with the same group of women, the more vapid it gets, and yet many women keep doing it…
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We live in a highly mobile, individualist culture that discourages centrally located extended family networks — thank god. However, when these networks are present, the womenfolk frequently gather together, leaving the men alone to be men (think of all the urban male social clubs that have perished as we shifted from an extended to a nuclear model of family). Full-on compatibility with your wife was much less important, since you did not really spend that much time with her (that she be hot, faithful, and nurturing was necessary and sufficient). Today, of course, your wife is your “partner” and even if you have an extensive independent social life, most time will be spent jointly. Thus you must rule out 99 percent of women whose constant society, outside fucking, would drive an ordinary male nuts. Because of our nuclear model, you MUST not settle until you find that one percent, the exception to the rule. n.b. every woman thinks they are the exception to the rule.
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@Doug:
Talking about feelings is seriously addictive for some women. It’s like a group therapy, actually. Even if it’s already been established and delved into, we’re prone to keep on exploring the same issues. Actually, that’s a good analogy, talking to women is EXACTLY like talking to a therapist.
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Could the woman on this blog please just bring drinks 🙂
Maybe rub some anti mosquito shit on and then leave
or maybe bring a smoke and then leave
or maybe a pillow if you notice we look uncomfy and then leave
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@S.:
While I agree with you on that, studies show that girls “overtalk” certain issues and end up FEELING worse about things. The more they obsess and talk over negative feelings, the worse they feel.
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Mandy
Doesn’t surprise me that you’d say that.
Did surprise me that you went >.> over the result returned to you at the Sasha Baron Cohen website, apparently, that you have a “male brain”.
I would have said that to you pre test after you’d been here a few days. (That doesn’t mean you can’t be or aren’t feminine in the way you relate to men btw.)
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Let me cut to the chase: Women are mostly boring. — Roissy.
Fuck me. That has to be the truest thing ever written here.
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@doug – “Isn’t that in fact what a lot of “girls night out” amounts to, as currently practiced, when it is?”
Yep there seems to be a terrible double standard there. It seems to be okay for women to do the ‘girls night out’, get drunk, fool around and then head home to hubby – god forbid the men do the same. I say not fair but it seems to be the standard right now.
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@Mandy:
I’m not sure how comprehensive those studies were, but talking about feelings to other women is an extremely cathartic experience for me. All in all, a good one. In fact, once you learn to develop healthy female relationships, they can be very enriching. You’re still young. I don’t know if women still do that cliquey, exclusive thing. //end menstrual gab
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@aoefe:
Maybe it’s because society is being more lenient towards women on everything. That’s not really fair behavior towards a husband anyway, it shouldn’t be acceptable. I didn’t even know it was.
@doug1:
Yeah, I’m girly, I have female friends, but sometimes…
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aoefe–
Not my standard, I think you don’t need me to say.
But how have your heard this justified?
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Aoefe-
“I think women hang around other women for the very same reasons – we enjoy our own company to men’s”
I don’t know if I’d say “to men’s” but maybe “in addition to men’s.” I’ve found that the most obnoxious girls I know are the ones who only hang out with guys and then love to talk about it like it makes them unique.
I think that a balance, like you mentioned in that same comment, keeps everyone happy…interaction with men is different than interaction with women, but both are valuable.
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i’ve focused much of my energy the past few years to the same pursuits as roissy, bonding with women both socially and sexually. but there’s a tradeoff, and now that i’m in a relationship, i wish i had more guy friends. in fact, i’d say that i have ZERO male friends that i can call up and go do “guy things” with.
roissy hits on a very important point, and it applies to wooing women as well as every facet of life: moderation in everything. if you devote too much energy to one facet of life, you’ll neglect others, and that’s not a good thing.
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I’d agree with your statement overall – there are few women in my life who I thought were TRULY interesting. But hindsight isn’t perfect. I think it’s our confident nature to think less of those that we’ve left behind, even if we didn’t leave them behind for their faults (or if they left US behind). Lots of women I thought were interesting when I first met them but now I don’t think so highly of.
Spending too much time with anyone, Male or Female, can get boring. But also with men I can actually discuss things that are professional or technical (or other man stuff). Trying to do that with a girl is impossible, as I’ll get instant boredom from their end.
I think also that women who are interesting and tough to figure out tend to be the crazy ones, while the boring ones tend to be LTR material…i think it’s rare to find a genuinely interesting girl who is also sane.
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aoefe–
When I asked you “how have you heard it justified” I wasn’t asking you to justify it yourself. You already said you don’t.
I was literally asking you what have you heard among girls that do justify it.
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I wouldn’t say that I find women boring, but I do think they are much less fun-oriented than men are. There’s such a seriousness at times, such a sense of being a killjoy or a kind of fun police.
Perhaps that’s rooted in the obsession you note with practicality, with real world stuff, and so on, rather than more abstract things — that could very well be the case for many women. But it just seems like men are generally speaking much less uptight, much less constructed, and much more fun to be around than women.
It’s kind of what was said about what has happened in workplaces as women have come to dominate them: it is much stiffer, more bland, and much less fun, for men at least. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been sitting in a conference room with a few men waiting for a meeting to start, and there is the customary joking and general jocularity going on, and then a woman attendee will show up and … it just stops. Not that the joking was off-color or anything like that, it’s just that the general atmosphere shifts to a much more serious one when a woman is there, and it’s much less interesting and fun.
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Zeets has got to be the guy in white..
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One of the reasons the company of women is so stultifying is the censorious atmosphere of lies they inhabit. they usually pretty much hate each other and think each other are fat, whores, ugly, have bad taste–whatever. then in whatever they are talking about the are lying–either making their lives look much much better tyhan they are or much much worse. then, you can’t say anything that might make another of the group “feel bad” even things like “i lost 3 pounds” or “boys are better at math then girls”
i’m convinced this language of lies women are forced to speak in is what keeps almost all conversation with them on the most mundane, what-did-you-have-for-lunch, level
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“There’s such a seriousness at times, such a sense of being a killjoy or a kind of fun police. ”
I think I mentioned something about it here last week, but Mandy linked to a good article by Christopher Hitchens about the lack of sense of humor in women. I wrote a little something on it as well with Hitchens’ link in it.
http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/07/women-arent-funny-sorry.html
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Not roissy related, but since this will eventually devolve into a race discussion, I’ll post my link here.
Dsygenic Trends and America’s IQ in 2050
The result is actually quite surprising.
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@ kim
BAM! True story. There are girls who enjoy the company of boys, and then there are girls who enjoy the company of boys. SRSLY.
As for me, I prefer the company of people. I probably get along with guys slightly better, in the long run, because I have the mindset of a fifteen y/o boy. But really.
The most interesting conversations I have are with women. The most fun I have — probably with men. Very different.
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@dana:
Exactly. If you’re a female and are excited about a particular success and announce it, you’re suddenly bragging, full of yourself, and annoying.
If you tell your friend the truth (“Listen, he’s not calling you because he met you when he was high, and now that he’s sober he’s realized how fat you are”) you’re mean and/or jealous.
If your friend says something wrong or gets an answer wrong, she has to spend half an hour trying to justify why she got that particular answer wrong (“Well, you see, this morning I was studying x and got it mixed up with x and and and and and asldkfj;sdlafkjklsdfj”) instead of learning from it and MOVING ON in the study session.
NOTE: This is why qualifying works. Women don’t want to admit they have any flaws so they have to spend FOREVER trying to make themselves look better and/or justifying themselves instead of fixing it. They’d rather gloss over their flaws than amend them.
It’s ridiculous.
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Roissy is writing a romance novel, right? I hope he calls it Impaled by Love.
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Chuck–
Women tend to enjoy most kinds of humor as much as men, though not perhaps some sorts of pushing it anti PC or raunchy humor. It’s being really funny that few women are good at.
At least in being really, bitingly, very, very funny.
Quipping sly ironic humor … some are quite good at. Like one girl I know who’s name starts with a B.
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“I hope he calls it Impaled by Love.”
How about “The Bone of Contention”?
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“ Impaled by Love.” “The Bone of Contention”?
I vote for “Love Drip”
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It’s quite true that men’s friendships tend to diminish after marriage. If you take the typical man who’s been married for, say, ten years or more, very few if any of his pre-marriage friendships still exist in any but the most superficial level. He may hang around with the husbands of some of his wife’s friends, or the fathers of some of his children’s friends, but these “derivative” friendships usually fall short of the real thing.
Peter
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My practical advice contribution to the guy page:
It is long because it has to be.
Learning a language is neither easy nor quick and it is possible to study for years and accomplish little. More efficient methods can yield some results in months.
If you want to learn another language, then your main problem will be avoiding activities which are either useless, or actively harmful. There are many poor products out there, and many products that are only slightly helpful. It cannot be emphasized enough the amount of time you can waste spinning your wheels, accomplishing little.
The second key, and it is also very important, is to learn the language one step at a time. You should start with learning how to hear and speak the language. No reading and writing! Very little grammar. By avoiding the written form of the language, you avoid having to learn the rules for pronunciation of the letters of the language. This is moderately hard for even relentlessly phonetic languages with few rules, like Spanish. For slightly more complicated languages, like Portuguese, it is hard. Sure, you COULD learn how to say and understand the language you are learning WHILE learning how to properly pronounce the language’s written form….. in the same way it is POSSIBLE lay tile/paint/install lighting while planning what you need to pick up at the hardware store for the next stage of your project. However, this is at best only saving a little time, and at worse can lead to serious mistakes that take a lot of work to fix. Like ‘learning’ how to say a sound WRONG. So that every time you ‘practice’ that sound you are building up a bad habit you need to get rid of. PROFESSIONALS(like language teachers) can do it. Amateurs are best focusing on one thing at a time.
Of course, the PROFESSIONALS, that is language teachers, don’t see why you can’t do both at once. That is because of natural or learned ability. Many of them are natural Human Parrots that can hear a foreign word once and then repeat it nearly perfectly. Many of the rest have learned more than one additional language, and the second language vastly increased the number of sounds they ‘know’ how to make. So when they ‘learned’ the third language, there was very, very few new sounds for them to learn to say. So they could get away with learning to speak and write at the same time. If you are also a Human Parrot, then my way will be slower. I’m also more than a little jealous.
For normal people, or those that have more trouble with languages than average(half the population!), it is best to learn to hear and speak the language before you learn to read and write it. That means you start with Pimsleur. It is entirely audio. You can buy the first ten lessons for around 20 dollars. Try them. I would then spend the 224(50 dollar rebate from the first ten you bought) additional dollars to get the next twenty lessons.
While you learn to speak the new language, you will no doubt hear the speakers on the CD pronounce the same word two different ways. Even more maddeningly, they will change back and forth between the two at seeming random. That is because, TO THEM, they are saying the word in the same way both times. The two different pronunciations sound the same to them. Brazilian Portuguese speakers, for example, will sometimes pronounce the last r in Brazilera as an English R and other times as an English D. Either one is acceptable for you to use. However, the real problem is that YOU have the same problem they do. You are also unable to distinguish between two different sounds that sound the SAME TO YOU AND DIFFERENT TO THEM. Learning to hear this difference is essential to speaking a new language correctly and one of the very good reasons for starting with just speaking and hearing.
After going through the first 30 lessons, you will have to decide whether you want to buy the 31 through 60 or not. It depends on how comfortable you are with your current speaking and hearing ability.
Avoid any store-bought Berlitz courses. I found the quality of their Spanish courses HORRIBLE.
I always ‘hear’ the word in my head when reading, and I think most people are like that. It is important to ‘hear’ that word as correctly as possible, so you should memorize the rules for the pronunciation of different letters. For example, in Portuguese, g is pronounced like the English G except in the case of ge, gi, guo, and gua. This will make reading a lot slower at first, but it prevents the creation of bad pronunciation habits. You can look up these rules on the web easily enough. And you better, because most lists, including dictionaries and courses you actually pay money for are incomplete. At least that was my experience with Portuguese.
Finally, buy a Frequency Dictionary. The typical Frequency Dictionary made by Mark Davies is based on a word database of 20 milllion words gathered from written, newsroom, and speech sources for that language. The sources are then entered into a computer and the computer rapidly counts the number of occurrences of each word with reasonable accuracy(verb tenses/form changes lead to some errors). Then a dictionary is made, with the most common word first, and the second most common second and so on. The letter o, used for ‘at’ and as the male definite article accounts for 1.6 million of the twenty million total words! 8% of all spoken/written Portuguese words are the word o or some variant(do, no, ao). Ser(to be) is the most used verb, it’s various tenses account for 490,000 out of twenty million words. One in forty words! The second most common ver, ter, is about 1 in 140 words. So what advantage is this? Lets say your listening to something and you don’t know a word. If you make a list of the 50 most common Portuguese words and their various forms, then there is a 43% chance that the word you don’t know is in that list. Granted, as you learn more words, you’ll leave behind checking those first 50. But still, the Frequency dictionary does offer efficient word selection for vocabulary learning.
And that is all the obviously useful stuff I’ve got. I do, however, have pages and pages more of semi-useful stuff that I could post. Is that a threat?
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For example, the other day before a meeting I heard these women talking about yoga and the Indian spirituality. Some herb agreed, saying that he found yoga “uplifting.” My first impulse was to inform them that the only women who practice yoga in India are temple prostitutes (Yogini), and that a man who would practice yoga with women would be considered the lowest kind of scum — in all likelihood a guy who sells his ass. Of course, I had to smile and say, “oh, that’s nice.” …………………………………………………
And you were in India – when???
I’m Indian and you are WRONG. Yoga is a daily part of life there. It is woven into the fabric of just about everything.
Temple prostitutes? In what parrallel universe and time-space module?
Yogini? Do you even know the meaning of the word?
Get an education!
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what?
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“River of Ardor”
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Mandy XD–
You see?
Male brain.
I rest my case.
QED.
(But still a girly girl. I like the combo. Reminds me of someone somewhat.)
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Woah I missed the boat.
That was supposed to be a title for Roissy’s love novel.
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Now that’s a damn good post and another reason to not marry. once a man marrys he loses almost all contact with his male friends. His wife intentionally excludes his friends in favor of her friends etc…
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That was cool comment. Thanks.
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@Willard Libby
“4 guys and a tent.
No thanks.
I have no interest in male bonding.”
No way this can be a real man. A man afraid of other men is not a man but balless wonder. You, my fetid friend, would make a good eunich.
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@TurkishThought:
WillardLibby is still in the closet. Don’t scare him too much, he might not want to come out if you do.
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Talking to my buddy that did construction in the states about my surprize when I thought about material costs. He said cost of house materials and labor to build house in us about 33 percent of sell price of house. So yea you build your own looking at 66k for a 200k house basically. Just need land. Of course isn’t that why their are so many permits. he he he
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Roissy novel title? those are all good and funny. But depends on the subject matter, which we don’t know. It’s gotta have that porn-movie-title ring to it, though..
@jesus_lizard- you missed the point of my comment, which was in the 2nd and 3rd paras.
@mandy- very nice game insight, actually. maybe FP was wrong.
@C_W- the best way to learn a language varies from person to person, but *totally* neglecting grammar in the beginning is usually wrong. you need a mix of structure, phonetics and rote repetition. only the latter is not enough.
@dana- a fair amount of stereotype to that, but some truth too. as usual, you cut to the concentrated essence of something powerfully and succinctly, but at the expense of nuance.
men are definitely more willing to speak hard truths, call each other on bullshit, and tell each other when we’re making serious mistakes. more honest, basically. but women can do this in a different way – it isn’t always catty backbiting a la “the women”.
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Now that’s a damn good post and another reason to not marry. once a man marrys he loses almost all contact with his male friends. His wife intentionally excludes his friends in favor of her friends etc…
Only if he chooses to. If a wife says he can’t hang out with his friends, he makes a choice to follow meekly along or to explain that that won’t be happening.
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1. Why is the guy on the left acting like he’s stabbing himself in the chest?
2. Did you throw the football?
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Ever notice how talentless married men are? Oh sure, they can show up and do a job every day: the fact that their spirits are broken makes them adequate serfs. They may even make good businessmen; using the swindles they learned from their wives on other men. But talent: artistic, scientific or whatever: that only appears in bachelors. Eddie Murphy was hilarious until he got married. Feynman’s greatest periods of productivity were when he was out wenching. Evo Bio people will try to tell me that talent is some kind of plumage which drops off when they’re getting laid regularly. Funny, I get laid more when I am single than when I have a girlfriend. I think the lack of talent among married men can be attributed directly to listening to their mind numbing quacking all the live long day.
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Sits down sharpening a stick with a pocket knife. Serenely watching a wild duck walking 7 feet away. Not understanding the connection but hindbrain knows what is up. The stick is sharp. Legs coiled body tensed. With a spring and a quiet outstretched arm lunge he impales the duck in the spine.
How I first learned that when you stab something the knife doesn’t come out clean like in the movies or that the ones where it is covered in blood are accurate.
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@doug
One justification for women going out partying but not being okay with the dudes doing it seems to come from the I’ve been home all day with the kids place and you get to go out and work all day. An other side could be the workplace friendships that develop with women and need to socialize outside the office environment. Plus I think women have a natural fear guys will cheat while they themselves are just ‘foolin around’. Poor rationalization, but it works in their minds.
General comments
I’m very privileged to have very few close girl friend relationships they are not surfacy things which I have little use for. My sister has a wide network of women acquaintances but their shallow interactions hold little use for me. I don’t have men friends per se, I find the men in my life are either romantic possibilities or co-workers. I’m not sure men and women can be friends. (prepared for a hail storm)
Summing it up each of us has different social needs men and women alike. I enjoy men a lot (or I wouldn’t be here would I?). 🙂
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Roissy Title : The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (women)
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@lupo- an alternative explanation: married men are more risk-averse, because of the instinct to protect/provide for a family. this may be equivalent to “broken spirit” from the point of view of a single guy. i haven’t read michael lewis’s recent book on this subject, and you referred to him in an earlier post, and “broken spirit” seems to be the phrase he’d choose. but there are lots of counterexamples to those you gave.
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Fleshman
You make a very good point.
My first few years in Asia were bitterly disappointing, in that the women were nowhere near intellectual peers. Boring to tears. It took years of adjustment to just stop looking for them to be, and get from them what I got – sex and companionship and house maintanance and secretarial work and a glass of carrot juice and a blowjob in the morning.
When there are no tourists to hang with, the internet substitutes for male conversation. I like the blog format – thoughts can be well articulated.
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Nova but I do think they are much less fun-oriented than men are. There’s such a seriousness at times, such a sense of being a killjoy or a kind of fun police.
You might enjoy SE Asian enculturated girls then. Especially Thais. Very fun loving. And feminine.
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The bestial one wrote :
Even better: spend glorious time around women with glorious natural pelts.
Again, this sheep-molestor!
Sicko..
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another roissy title:
“Et tu, Bootay?”
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Dana
Another good insight. Yup.
Which is why the neg works. It shows that you are a man, and not a woman. You are individuated, and can call out the bullshit, without fear of women gossip reprisal.
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TurkishThought
@Willard Libby
“4 guys and a tent.
No thanks.
I have no interest in male bonding.”
No way this can be a real man. A man afraid of other men is not a man but balless wonder. You, my fetid friend, would make a good eunich.
First of all you are a faggot.
Second, why do you care that I’m not into bonding with other guys? If you and your butt buddies feel like “real men” by hanging out together good for you.
Wave that rainbow flag, I couldn’t care less.
Mandy! XD – @TurkishThought:
WillardLibby is still in the closet. Don’t scare him too much, he might not want to come out if you do.
I’d rather be in the closet by myself than in a tent with three other guys.
And Mandy I would come out of any closet if you decided to come inside and join me.
I’d rather swim to Cuba.
Viva Fidel!
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Another excellent reason why most women should stay the hell out of the workforce.
The job used to be the refuge from women. Just men, working together, getting things done. Now it’s a social science experiment in changing gender roles.
I can’t even remember a ‘Human Resources Department’ in any place I worked, before women entered my field of endeavor in large numbers.
Is it any wonder that we as a nation have lost our industrial edge.
Women should stick to jobs that they are suited for. Jobs where nurturing and empathy are important: elementary school teacher, doctor, nurse, retail, service jobs, entertainment, etc.
They should absolutely stay away from most white-collar jobs where innovation and discovery is paramount: science, engineering, running businesses. These jobs are needed by men to provide a large enough paycheck to support themselves and their wives during the years when they are having their children.
Another example of how unrestricted choice for women hurts us all.
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Lupo
Lupo, I’ve noticed that I’m more creative when I’m generally horny. I think a high testosterone lifestyle is conducive to creativity, and the converse.
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That trade off is there because you let it be so.
The key for any guy that gets married, is getting married, or living with a woman is to have some hobbies for which you have friends to share with…fishing, hunting, golf, tennis…whatever.
And no matter how hot she is, or how much of a good time you have being with her, NEVER give up doing them in the first place. Ever. Make time away from her to keep doing that which you enjoy.
And, do not, I REPEAT, DO NOT EVER EVER “ask her permission” to go and do your hobby.
I had a hunting partner who had never been in a LTR before. We used to go hunting every weekend. He met this little hotty (a solid 8) and fell head over heels in love. When they were in the infatuation phase, he’d ASK her if he could go hunting, and she would say “Of course sweety!” Within a few months, he would start only going hunting once or twice a month…after awhile, he no longer went out with the boys or did anything without her permission…and she never gave it.
Eventually, he ended up dumping her. He couldn’t stand how controlling she became in every aspect of his life.
After dumping her, he came hunting again. He was complaining about how she was so controlling, and I looked him the face and said “Don’t blame her…it’s your fault you gave her the power to decide whether or not you get to do anything. You gave her your balls, and she put them in her purse. That is what women will do if you don’t sack up. Next time, next time you get involved with a girl, you TELL her that you are going hunting this weekend. You don’t make it a question of “will you let me?”
Dude learned his lesson.
This goes for married men that hand over their balls to their wives. Not all married men have broken spirits and their balls securely ensconced in their wife’s purse. Many of the greatest achievements by men throughout history were accomplished by married men…who for the most part were supported by a partner, not dominated like so many of today’s sackless, wimpy Father’s and Husbands.
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I think I am trying to basically live every life experience possible. Interesting. I read voraciously when I was young but then I started living out the novels.
Maybe why I am done with war phase shit has outlived its usefullness.
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I even know what it feels like to be a minoity. Ie the only one of my kind in a workplace. Where do you go from there?
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Most men are boring, too, but much less of a concern than with women. With women, you have to decide whether you want to put up with her dullness and mindless chatter in order to get into her panties. With men, if he’s dull you can write him off without a second thought, and most likely you won’t have put any effort into becoming his buddy in the first place.
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Lupo–
Charles Darwin is a rather important counter example.
Yes his initial big data gathering on the voyage of the Beagle was done as a bachelor, and so too was the germ of this theory, but soon after he started hanging with and a year or so later married his wife (and cousin) Emma. We fully developed and wrote up his two great books and other works while married to her.
I’m sure there are many other examples. This one came to mind because of the series of three podcasts on him that I listened to from the BBC’s “In Our Time” with Melvyn Bragg.
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most PEOPLE are boring, but at least when my husband is on occasion boring it’s about space, war, history, politics, philosophy or building stuff in his project room, not about lunch, hair, shoes, diet, diet, diet, who’s a slut and american idol
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Dave from Hawaii
Feminism — and the media and school culture which reflects it — is the worst thing to have happened to America.
The path was made easier by Anglosphere style chivalry. However that chivalry by itself wasn’t so bad, when it accompanied strong Anglosphere patriarchy and only partly offset it.
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Ah yeah. My guy loved to go climbing, camping, mountain biking, skiing, etc. I have never done any of those, because I am very risk-averse.
He taught me how to ride a bike recently. The last time I rode was when I was 8 or 9, with training wheels, so I never did properly learn.
We used to have some fun together playing video games, but we’ve been taking walks and doing bike rides together. When I don’t feel like going bike riding, he just goes out and does it himself for fun.
This is correct. Men who act like men in relationships will get to remain men. My guy retained a ton of power when we moved in together, out of instinct. He is also disarmingly charming and persuasive.
On the other hand, some handing over of power is inevitable in a relationship. The thing is, both sides have to do that, rather than the woman having her every whim catered.
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If he can make these subjects boring, then he is boring indeed – or you are.
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i should have written on the RARE occasion he’s boring
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Doug, I wish we had something to disagree about, because I like how you think and write. Shame.
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Tarl
“Most men are boring, too, but much less of a concern than with women.”
Exactly.
But who cares about the patterns of men?
Fly Girls is where I have concentrated my studies.
– MPM
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Being in the company of men is all good when you have access to women. Otherwise it is even more depressing.
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Lupo:
“Ever notice how talentless married men are? Oh sure, they can show up and do a job every day: the fact that their spirits are broken makes them adequate serfs. They may even make good businessmen; using the swindles they learned from their wives on other men. But talent: artistic, scientific or whatever: that only appears in bachelors.”
The New English Review had a great article on this subject:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/22098/sec_id/22098
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novel title – The Life and Times of Cigstache
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@everyone:
Good point about men being boring, albeit less overly absurd about it (re: Dana’s point). And most people. When I’m in the same coffee shop and it’s a bunch of guys lounging around, they tend not to be gabbing about trivialities concerning themselves, and or gossip, but work-related tidbits. It’s comical in it’s own way… If you hang around the financial district at lunch, it almost seems like the male conversations are taken right out of a Dilbert cartoon (hello, 1999).
I wouldn’t say either/or is better. Female conversation is easier to laugh at, and/or be enveloped by as an outsider. I think it’s because women who aren’t close still manage to mimic closeness in their speech (i.e. “honey”), and relate personal stories as a bonding tool.
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Silvio Berlusconi: Playboy extraordinaire http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14681637&ch=4226714&src=news
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Welmer
I’m not personally possessed of this knowledge about who practices yoga in India.
But if I were and knew it to be true, I would say exactly that in such a social situation.
It’s all in how you say it though. I’d say it in an amused ironic sort of way, looking at the herb.
Then I’d look at the prettiest / most influential of the girls and end with something like: “of course that’s not to say the core practice does’t have things to it or that we can’t do it at least SOMEWHAT differently here in the West.”
You had a golden opportunity for social dominance there Welmer. But ya gotta do it by workin the people, not just the book learnin.
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I keep looking for all the insulting stuff you usually say when you post pictures of guys like that…
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Arpagus,
How are things with Charlotte?
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@ferdinand- good read. welcome.
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maurice: “an alternative explanation: married men are more risk-averse, because of the instinct to protect/provide for a family.”
I’m sure this is the case some of the time. But then, there are a lot of talentless married men without children. And I myself have observed my creativity die while in a long term relationship. Maybe it is testosterone, like xsplat says, but I’m always pretty high T. I really think female clucking sounds kills the inner genius. Also, yes, poor Michael Lewis. Check out the latest review of his book.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2H3IWAI5G3ASL/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
That New English review article that Ferdinand links to is genius. I remember seeing it up on aldaily a couple of months ago.
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Every time roissy does the commenter thing hope shows up lol
Your not giving me hope,
hope
even with the pic.
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welmer: “I feel that I can be myself around men, and they tend to like me, but around women I have to be careful about expressing my thoughts, I am pressured to flattery, and I have to pretend to agree with their inane opinions.”
I think our Lord and Master would agree: you need to be yourself around women too. Making fun of yoginis (I wasn’t aware of the fact that they are all whores in the old country: I’m going to steal it from you) sounds like an awesome thing to do, and a great way to run game on dumb chicks. Displaying your scorn at such mush headed beliefs is the way to roll. If more men do it, our society wouldn’t be such a wreck.
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S.
The main differences between men and women are what they naturally WANT to talk about socially especially when in a same gender group or pairing, rather than what they each CAN talk about.
Women want to express and explore their feelings, all of them (that they aren’t hiding), and be sure they’ve done so fully, and so for good measure often go at it from numerous different angles, and try different things and even different feelings they might sort of have, out. As part of this but also separately want to understand and talk about other people’s feelings and interpersonal dynamics. Nuance is treasured.
Men want to talk about how to get things done, or other people getting them done and how they did it exactly and how well, and where they went wrong and how to fix it. These are explicitly purposeful ways of thinking and men get irritated when there’s too much straying from that, if they think it’s male talk time, or a male talk venue. (See men here who aren’t themselves involved in it getting irritated by too much flirting or personal stroking.)
When men talk about social or interpersonal dynamics, and they do some, there’s always the question hovering, “so ok, what’s the point? How will this help me get ahead, or get laid”, etc. Men tend to get jumpy and impatient if the convo is just EXPLORING the interpersonal dynamics IN CASE down the line it might prove useful to know. Note, in some cases this is a male weakness if men don’t do at least a little partially female style exploring.
Note this male purposeful style of thinking and talking, which is also called logical, can often be directed towards practical ends but a whole lot of it isn’t practical whatsoever. Probably most of it isn’t. What’s practical about Monday night football? The whole world of spectator sports is purely to service this male goal oriented way of thinking in an escapist, entertainment sort of way. That’s true just as much as that Opra and Maury Povitch are directly servicing female emo thinking and Joansing.
However, some or most men can do some emotion exploration talking especially with women, and enjoy it. They just don’t usually want to go on, and on, and on with it. Unless they’re real emos or metrosexuals. Perhaps more women especially these feminist trained days can and enjoy, even on their own time, purposeful goal driven social talk that comes naturally to men. But they tend to feel starved, most women do, if that’s all the kind of talk they can do including with their male LTR to some extent.
Unlike some, I think it’s important for men to be able to do a limited amount of a kind of girl talk, though from a man’s perspective, with girls esp. in LTRs. But even in flings. Tends to impress women lots if you bring insight, at least if you also bring macho.
I also think it’s important at least in a LTR, for women to be able to enjoy purposeful talk with their mate. Not necessarily about his favorite sport or whatever, but about some areas of common interest, or which become common interest. As well as of course purposeful, to the point talk about what needs to get done between them.
If a man and woman don’t enjoy talking to each other then a LTR, certainly a live together one, is unlikely to work, seems to me. Or if it can, it’s certainly not my style of one.
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Mandy been here a while said: “How are things with Charlotte?”
I don’t think she is interested anymore so I didn’t try to contact her.
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Hope–
Good comment. Not even abstract.
Is that icon pic of you?
Cute. Very.
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s. + tarl
to be clear–i wasn’t trying to say my husband was boring, –i was trying to say on the rare occasion he’s “boring”. its about interesting topics, as opposed to women being boring about everything all the time
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@Dana:
Yes, that’s what I was referring to: that when men are “boring” it’s less absurd than when women are boring. I definitely agree.
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@Doug:
I think I hit on what you were saying when I said male conversation tends to be structural and/or topical. Although, that was early on the thread.
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If you think single women are boring, try listening to newly wrought mothers. Formerly smart women become mindnumbingly mundane, more than the little child they’re nursing.*
Everyone’s met that dude who fucks lots of girls, but isn’t friends with guys. Always suspicious of those types.
There’s also, like someone said, the girl who’s friends almost exclusively, with guys. Some of these are huge attention whores, getting a kick out of constantly being surrounded and being hit on by guys.
“Unless male conversation is totally different when all women are absent than when only one or two is around I have seen little indication of this ”
Al, it is. I’ve been in this situation many, many times, and guys will instinctively wait on the girl and pay them way more attention. Unless she is unattractive, or the guys are committed chauvinists, that’s the way it is.
Note: If you’re with a bunch of dudes and one or two girls, chill out. You’ll often have an easier time getting her if you don’t immediately start gaming.
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I just had an Indian American lay into me on my blog over suggesting that Yogini are prostitutes in this thread. Some certainly are, but according to her everybody does yoga together now. Well, maybe in Bangalore, but not in the provinces, would be my guess.
Maybe there is an opportunity there, but what I have found is that women often think that people who would know such things are strange, even when they pretend to know everything, and they hate being corrected on anything. Personally, I don’t mind someone telling me I’m wrong (it means I’ve learned something new).
The worst grades I got in college were from female professors I had corrected (they made absolutely stupid mistakes in their lectures). I’ve gotten to the point where I just keep my mouth shut around women — especially those between the ages of 30 and 60. The younger ones are refreshing in that they are more natural and don’t even try to sound sophisticated, and the older ones actually do know a thing or two.
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@which one of you pitched the tent?
:)))
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I agree that society would be better for it, but individual men will still pay a price for doing so.
As for the Yogini, I have read about one particular Yogini temple that has a bunch of male statues with erections arrayed around a carving of a vagina. An ancient advertisement, perhaps?
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Yeah, hanging out with men usually = a good time. However, I work in a male-dominated field and we all know that men certainly have their downsides.
1) The constant BS/one-upsmanship is fun at first, but it quickly becomes tiring. I can’t tell a story without some other guy interrupting and telling me that whatever I did, he did faster/younger/better/blind/as a complete amuptee.
2) A lot of men only tell stories (I guess reframe stories would be more accurate here) in which they look good. It’s as if the men telling the stories have never made a serious mistake, where if I look at their lives as a whole, they’ve made plenty of them. A good, fictional version of this is Bigby in Trainspotting.
3) Just as there are a lot of bitches out there, there are also a lot of assholes out there. It’s just that while the bitches may play you for your money, the assholes, when violent, will stab you in the throat.
I don’t know about the married men != creative, but I’ve read that most geniuses tend to do their best work before their mid-20s.
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@lupo- creativity is closely bound up with risk-seeking, in terms of the basic mental process. Thinking/behaving outside the box, etc. Men are generally way better at that, and if a man curtails his risk-seeking circuits, the creativity ones will be affected as well. That’s a better explanation for me than “female clucking.”
A case can be made that men in LTRs can devote *more* of their mental energy in creative/work pursuits, because they’re not constantly thinking of how to get laid.
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Wow, I just found my new favourite blog.
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“As for the Yogini, I have read about one particular Yogini temple that has a bunch of male statues with erections arrayed around a carving of a vagina. An ancient advertisement, perhaps?”………………………………..
Those are Shiva Lingams. Found all over India, in temples, in homes, outdoors (I have one in my room and in my office). Google it. Learn something.
You are conflating “yogini” with “devdasi” with “prostitute”.
Yoga is a default culture of India. It permeates almost everything. Ever hear of “Hinduism”? You know, the majority religion of India? Yeah that one. It’s yogic.
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John Dillinger’s legendary post-mortem erection:
http://blog.oup.com/2009/07/dillinger_dick/
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”””’I_affe,
It’s just that while the bitches may play you for your money, the assholes, when violent, will stab you in the throat. ””””””””””””’
Which is worse? The world revolves around money. For everything you can’t do that you want to the reason normally comes down to money. Even if it is president of the us.
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Doug, I wish we had something to disagree about, because I like how you think and write. Shame.
Yeah, Doug’s all right. I too haven’t found anything I disagree with him on.
A case can be made that men in LTRs can devote *more* of their mental energy in creative/work pursuits, because they’re not constantly thinking of how to get laid.
That, and the fact that in a good LTR they eat well and don’t occupy their brains with household minutae. And their work shirts are magically always ironed.
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I_Affe
By 30 or 35 I believe it’s more often said. Depends on the field though. Math and physics younger. Biology and literature older.
As well many note an exception when a genius switches fields at around age 35 say. There’s not infrequently a new burst of creative brilliance.
that leads many to say it’s not only that fluid intelligence tends to decrease slowly as we age past 20 or so (while accumulated knowledge, vocabulary and wisdom increase), but also that creativity tends to come most when we’re new to something and ideas are most excitingly cross referencing and fertilizing suggesting analogies.
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aoefe “the women I know who have husbands who are ALWAYS around wish their dudes would get out more”
=== Like the old houswives’ saying (regarding men who come home from work to eat lunch), “I married him for better or for worse, but not for lunch.”
OneSTDV “since this will eventually devolve into a race discussion”
=== Don’t interrupt our gender discussion.
Re the title of the potential book, I’m betting the phrase “pretty lies” will be in there somewhere.
If he does in fact write a book, that’ll be interesting, because I can’t imagine how he could do it without his biographical specifics (e.g., name, occupation) being leaked.
Comment_Whatever
“[Pimsleur] is entirely audio. You can buy the first ten lessons for around 20 dollars.”
=== Or download it free, legally
http://tinyurl.com/nzbwod
BTW, WTF does it have to do with today’s post? The only permissible detour is talk of race.
A.J. Travis
“I can’t even remember a ‘Human Resources Department’ in any place I worked, before women entered my field of endeavor in large numbers.”
=== Because it was “Personnel”
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Depends on the field though. Math and physics younger. Biology and literature older.
Yes. And also, within literature, lyric poetry is a young man’s game. Great novels are where older men rule.
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Catherine:
Women as an whole, can not inherently relate to men’s passions and hobbies. I am convinced, through observation and interaction with other women, that it is because they themselves are so void of the passion and spiritual thirst that accompanies the vigorous pursuit of various hobbies and activities. They find it boring or feign interest because it is the trendy thing to do. Genetically, they are not programmed for it (save a few outliers).
Out of personal experience, I can tell you that a woman who has hobbies outside of shopping, make up ect, needs to learn to accept this and either chose to join the herd or be content pursuing hobbies alone. But what humans do not understand, they fear and attempt to oppress. This is easier to do than to seek the ugly truth. I think this is the subconscious reason why so many wives nag their husbands so much when hubby wants to go out and hang with his buds, or lock himself in the laboratory.
Amen. Wise words. This is precisely how it works.
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“Is that icon pic of you?”
No doug, not me. It’s a 3D render character from Final Fantasy. I should change it lest more people think it’s me.
“Every time roissy does the commenter thing hope shows up lol”
What commenter thing?
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Doug you intrigue me,
I kind of want t be in a really good financial position and time position when I am your age. Do ya kind of run out of things to do on the list. Does it feel like you have done everything already. Or are you done working?
Have you gone on a hunt for a lion/elephant?
What if you could do some crazy shit like that would you?
Why not be like G if you are in the position?
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Winks,
It is not you then hope. I wreckin.
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@Catherine:
“Women as an whole, can not inherently relate to men’s passions and hobbies. I am convinced, through observation and interaction with other women, that it is because they themselves are so void of the passion and spiritual thirst that accompanies the vigorous pursuit of various hobbies and activities. They find it boring or feign interest because it is the trendy thing to do. Genetically, they are not programmed for it (save a few outliers).”
I think this is because most PEOPLE are STUPID, not because it’s strictly women.
Men with true passion, and true creativity, are few. If all men had equally high levels of passion and creativity, we’d have libraries the size of the United States to house all the history books that would cover all of them. Either that, or we’d have no books, because creativity and passion are commonplace.
And please, men, don’t tell me sitting in front of the t.v. with a beer watching football is a passion. That’s the equivalent to a woman shopping or having an extremely shallow conversation with her friend.
@dana:
I agree with you that men being “boring” (talking about history, science, etc) is more interesting than boring female conversations (fashion, who’s a slut, etc. etc.)
However, men do have their shallow boring convos. You’re lucky to have a nerd husband.
(Examples of boring conversations:
“Oh man, I banged insert female name here last weekend!”
“Yo, have you ever looked at yourself in the mirror in your boxers and thought,”Oh yeah!”
“insert random crap about sports here”)
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Oh please child, it most certainly is a passion.
One, football is certainly a tactical strategy sport that requires an in-depth understanding of the rules and history, coupled with an at least rudimentary appreciation for the truly physically demanding nature of the sport to get a true appreciation for it.
And beer? Darline, you have no idea what passion is about from the male perspective…
….so please…PLEASE…
WAIT FOR THE COMMERCIAL BEFORE YOU START BLABBING ABOUT YOUR LATEST SHOPPING TRIP WITH YOUR GOSSIPY GIRLFRIEND.
Oh yeah, one more thing – go get me another beer at half time….
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@Dave from hawaii:
“One, football is certainly a tactical strategy sport that requires an in-depth understanding of the rules and history, coupled with an at least rudimentary appreciation for the truly physically demanding nature of the sport to get a true appreciation for it.”
Oh yes, the caveman arm thrusts and screaming at a television constitute passion.
Now, I don’t hate sports, don’t get me wrong. If you were playing them, it would be a different story.
“Oh yeah, one more thing – go get me another beer at half time….”
You’re not my boyfriend.
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Doug said:
It’s passion that fuels genius. And passions are most often born in youth. Many are trying to discover things for a very specific reason. Pasteur spent his entire life trying to find a cure for rabies. Germ theory was simply a necessary step.
Alexander Graham Bell was attempting to develop a hearing aid to help deaf people(like much of his family) when he invented the telephone.
Newton was consistently and wide in his genius only because his passion was focused on the advancement of knowledge itself. Such abstract quantities attract the minds of more men than you would think, but the highest intensity is seldom obtained. Otto Warburg was another such genius, responsible for much of our understanding of cellular function.
Other factors may apply, but the importance of intense passions born in youth is not to be underestimated. Old men CAN do this, it is simply less likely…… you say they suddenly changed fields in their 35th year, did they? What passion caused such a sudden change?
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What else would you call it?
Do women pump their arms and scream out loud when they find a particularly good deal at the mall?
I hope you show him more of an appreciation for sarcastic humor than you just did here…otherwise you just might overhear your boyfriend talking with his boys…
“Oh man, I banged Mandy here last weekend!”
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@Dave from Hawaii:
“What else would you call it?”
Taking lessons from a troglodyte.
“Do women pump their arms and scream out loud when they find a particularly good deal at the mall?”
Don’t say that too loudly; you might give an advertising agency another idea for a terrible commercial.
“I hope you show him more of an appreciation for sarcastic humor than you just did here…”
I’m the teenager here. My standards for sarcasm are higher than that of any adult.
“otherwise you just might overhear your boyfriend talking with his boys…
“Oh man, I banged Mandy here last weekend!”
Banged with what? Nothing too hard I hope. 😦
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Even as a woman I can appreciate the commercial Mandy is referring to as terrible.
As for passion if someone is passionate about something it can be called a passion. Such an easy concept to grasp…
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Fun trivia: A Cheerios commericial that airs in Canada with British accents, is dubbed over in the U.S. with American accents.
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ahhahaah. All I have to say is, so true.
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maurice:
Well, you know, I’m a big fan of the CAPM theory of the universe. I actually wrote a whole article on how married dudes fail to live an interesting life due to a lack of risk taking:
http://lupoleboucher.livejournal.com/76673.html
The thing is, I always take risks, yet I still languish when I hand testicular control over to a female. There was one exception I can think of in my life, but whatever: my theory for today is it is their hen-like clucking precludes abstract thought.
I dunno Welmer, I’m almost as much of a bastard in person as I am on the interbutts. It has certainly cost me opportunities in my life, but I wouldn’t live any other way, and I think my life is better by living this way. Freedom is a state of mind. Frankly, them missed opportunities were probably not worth having. Had I not told my boss his wife was fat and he smelled like paste, I might still be rotting at my last job.
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Well you can see that shit in real time here Lupo It was a wild ride. Vein pumping adreline flowing. Better than picking up a chick type wild ride.
http://gunslingergregi.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/behold-the-matrix-9-months-in-the-life-of-a-part-time-trader-the-siren-calls/
Tell me what ya think if ya don’t mind.
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I think taking on risk is because you want to feel like you made a giant effort and maybe you do deserve it more than others. If you just work and make it the turtle way then it is basically guarranteed. Risk is what makes the adrenaline flow. Risk is what transcends the mundane. Learning a skill and seeing it pay off gives you the feeling that you deserved what you made. Saving money month after month is some mundane shit.
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Not better than fucking though so I think I could turn it into a positive feedback loop game the chicks then game the stocks rinse repeat.
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I personally know Lupo from way back, and I can say that he is authentic. He’s a straight talker, and he doesn’t give a shit what people think. But he’s also loyal; he believes in old-fashioned stuff like honor and valor. I’d want him by side if I went into battle, and I can’t say that about many of my friends.
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Yea lupo covered most of it lol didn’t read whole thing.
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@Lupo:
“Had I not told my boss his wife was fat and he smelled like paste, I might still be rotting at my last job.”
You are my hero.
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Previous studies have hinted at the importance of fathers in child-rearing. Some have shown that girls reach puberty younger, become sexually active earlier and are more likely to get pregnant in their teens if their father was absent when they were young. Others have suggested that the sons of absent fathers display lower intimacy and self-esteem.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327184.000-fathers-arent-dispensable-just-yet.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=science-in-society
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Sssssshhhhh girl, shut your lips do the Helen Keller and talk with your hips.
(2:00 mark)
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Welmer
A Yogi is a sage, usually with some spiritual accomplishment. Yogini is the female equivalent. Aspiring Yogis are known to push themselves to extreme hardships in the name of ‘discipline’. Chastity is almost always a primary requirement for these people, so I doubt if what you have heard is true.
On the other hand dance is something that was restricted to temple prostitutes (Devadasis). It was only since around 1936 that girls from conservative house-holds began to learn the classical dances in India.
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@mandy xd – My standards for sarcasm are higher than that of any adult.
Explain where you fit on the scale for standards for rudeness please.
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“i love hanging out with boys! in fact, i have a lot more guy friends than girl friends.” – says me and Megan Fox
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@aoefe:
Ouch. 😦
Lesson learned.
@amanda:
Yeah, see, but in Megan Fox’s case, it’s probably difficult for her to even have room to breathe with the number of guys fawning over her. I doubt very many of her straight male friends actually just want to be friends.
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@lupo- that’s a great post. i studied CAPM in B-school and I think it works better as metaphor than actual valuation method or portfolio guide. psychology element really right.
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Roissy I think this needs a response http://trueslant.com/conorfriedersdorf/2009/07/22/some-i-insult-some-i-let-go/
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CAPM also provides a good mental model for aberrant behavior. Thugs and other people raised with very few prospects in life take on very high risk to compensate for low present value….if that makes sense.
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Wow. You have a way with words.
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Wow. You have a way with words.
BTW I love your blog!
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kowsik
At heart, all girls are dervish whores.
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Mandy, you potential alpha usurper tease, you.
Waiting till the risk taker gains his status? Poor form. If you want the bad boy, put out.
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If that is true, Kowsik, then why are Adavasi temple whores called “Yogini?”
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Novel titles:
“Booty and the Beast”
“A Tingle in Time”
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Look at the guy’s picture! PATHETIC BETA. This guy does not understand what game is, and that’s fine, because more guys who disdain game as amoral, manipulative, and deceptive, and thus don’t try it, means less competition for those who feel otherwise.
He says, with regards to negging:
I’ve never seen anyone do this to a woman who hasn’t seemed to me a complete asshole even beforehand — and I’ve been dismayed at the frequency with which it works.
How you react as a male (not as a man since you are a beta) when you observe a man trying to pick up a woman is completely different from how the woman herself reacts. You see “complete asshole”, she sees “bold and confident”.
This guy has not grasped that women are not men, and thus react differently than men, and is unable or unwilling to follow a model that he admits works. Have fun wanking to cyberp0rn, genius!
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i love hanging out with boys! in fact, i have a lot more guy friends than girl friends.
That’s a huge red flag, especially if you have NO girl friends. Usually means the chick is narcissistic and a taker, not a giver.
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@pa – “That’s a huge red flag, especially if you have NO girl friends. Usually means the chick is narcissistic and a taker, not a giver.”
That’s usually true from what I’ve seen. Just sayin…
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PA, sometimes it means that she’s young and the only woman around whose behavior isn’t narcissistic and exploitive.
Some women have high standards for what they call friends. Acquaintances to whom one is polite aren’t really friends. I have lots of acquaintances, but very few people I’d trust when the chips are down, or with money, who aren’t blood relatives. All my female friends except one are in my family.
That’s pretty normal for most decent women I know and like, but just haven’t had time to develop a serious friendship with. They’re close to their relatives if they came from a strong family, but not too socially invested in others.
When you’re not doing the things the mainstreamed girls like to do, you’re kind of shut out. I didn’t go to clubs until I was in the Navy, and then it was usually as someone’s date or the designated driver or semi official cock blocker. The one time as the DD-CB that I did pick up at a club, that ended up being my first husband.
You guys talk a lot about the depths of depravity western women have sunk to, but you don’t seem to understand what kind of effect that has one women who aren’t totally screwed up, even if they’re very tolerant and open minded.
I don’t have a problem with the existence of hoes. They’re entertaining, and serve the public. It’s just that as a part of accepting the reality of such women, I have to respect the fact that such a woman will sell me if she thinks it will profit her. I know I can’t trust her with important things.
On the real, I won’t even take on a business partner who is attached to a hoe. It’s a good way to find one’s self screwed over or in jail. They are petty people, and don’t make good friends for women who have honor.
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I think you have to differentiate between girls who LJBF a bunch of Beta friends to have a coterie of admirers and those women who are nerdy, intellectual or tomboyish and prefer the company of men for their substance.
a harem of ljbf betas is a good sign of a grasping whore
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Mandy:
“I think this is because most PEOPLE are STUPID, not because it’s strictly women.
Men with true passion, and true creativity, are few. If all men had equally high levels of passion and creativity, we’d have libraries the size of the United States to house all the history books that would cover all of them. Either that, or we’d have no books, because creativity and passion are commonplace.
And please, men, don’t tell me sitting in front of the t.v. with a beer watching football is a passion. That’s the equivalent to a woman shopping or having an extremely shallow conversation with her friend.”
I respectfully disagree with your statement, and find the logic in it flawed. I do not know how having libraries the size of the United States to house all the history books that would cover them is evidence (however hypothetical) of all men having equally high levels of passion and creativity. That is a rather limited form of expressing creativity, no?
The second point I have regarding this statement is the one about men having equally high levels of creativity and passion. What does this have to do with the fact that on average they have more of it than women? There can still be varying amounts of passion levels among men, but in aggregate it can still be more than that for women.
The most visible example of out there of men having more hobbies and *directed* and *focused* passion and creativity is found in every single store that sells magazines. That a look at the magazines geared for women, and then take a look at the magazines aimed for the male demographics. Men’s magazines are highly specialized and very focused on different activities. Fishing, investing, mechanics, sports, sex, technology, engineering, ect. Women’s are all ego-centric pieces of crap: Cosmo, Marie Claire, People. Aside from these types of magazines, the fashion ones, and cooking/housekeeping ones (which young women almost never buy btw), what other kinds of magazines do you see young women buying in droves? The Economist? Times? National Geographic? What is the ratio of women to men for each of these examples?
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You guys talk a lot about the depths of depravity western women have sunk to, but you don’t seem to understand what kind of effect that has one women who aren’t totally screwed up, even if they’re very tolerant and open minded.
Do you understand that depravity results from being “tolerant and open minded”? Tolerance and depravity are not in opposition as virtue and vice, they are in connection as cause and effect.
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@xsplat:
“Mandy, you potential alpha usurper tease, you.”
How am I a potential alpha usurper tease? I was just admiring his behavior; I thought it was funny.
“Waiting till the risk taker gains his status? Poor form. If you want the bad boy, put out.”
Where did this come from? Thanks for the advice, though.
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Completely off-topic but I find it interesting how two women have persisted in the collective imagination of this blog’s readership: Cigstache and Bridge Girl. They still get mentioned in comment threads.
(Their pics were posted in one of this blog’s entires about a year ago)
What buttons do they hit? Cigstache possibly of a woman who is outside of the realm of the sexual battlefield and knows it, with a quality of someone who “gets” life and can be a counsel of sorts. Someone wise and maybe even good due to her unbarterable sexuality.
Bridge Girl, on the other hand, represents an archetype of something that many feel no longer exists, or at least something they are shut off from: a pretty but not oversexualized girl with marrieagable qualities. She’s someone men of previous generations took for granted, like air. But today, she is the scarcest of goods, as most girls like her have gotten fat, or fake tits and tats, or grew a sense of entitlement that puts them outside an average guy’s reach.
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catherine
what you say is undoubtable true on the whole–but as an avid craftsperson i have to point out the female hobbies of knitting, crochet, sewing, quilting, beading, needlepoint and cross stitch for example. go into a crafts store like michaels and talk to the focussed obsessed women there who spend all of their time thinking about combos of Aran stitches. i am obsessed with all of these crafts and quite passionate about them and subscribe to magazines about them and read blogs about them
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[…] 23, 2009 in Marriage, Sexuality, Truth Lupo of The Butcher’s Block left a comment on this Roissy post that bears repeating: Ever notice how talentless married men are? Oh sure, they can show up and do […]
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Roissy, you are a very good writer. Did you culture that talent, or is it innate?
[editor: i’m not sure. probably both.]
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Dana, that’s a good point. I stopped hanging out with one acquaintance because I was becoming her beta receptionist.
Tarl, I understand that tolerant and open minded are liberal buzzwords, but when I say them, I don’t mean them in the same way others may. What I mean is that I accept nature for what it is, including human nature.
My acceptance of the existence of hoes and their role in society, for instance, would not preclude my calling a woman out for being a stealthy one. It did not keep me from telling a couple of friends who wanted to partner with me, “I’m sorry, but I can’t because your wife is a hoe. I couldn’t give you money to hold, and know that the same amount would be there when I wanted it back. So I’d be happy to buy supplies from you, but your name will not be on my business. I need to be able to replace you if there are any problems.”
These are people I’m happy to give rope bondage tips to, but would not want them anywhere near my money.
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@catherine- great point about the magazines – the marketplace directly illustrating your point. people put their money where their minds are.
welcome.
@dana – you are passionate about such a domestic pasttime as knitting/crocheting? didn’t see that coming. cool, though. you should knit roissy a sweater or something for the fall… 🙂
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ahahahahahahah!!!! what an AWESOME quote:
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@Catherine:
You’re right. And I wasn’t talking about just writing, I was talking about history books. Anywho…
“Men’s magazines are highly specialized and very focused on different activities. Fishing, investing, mechanics, sports, sex, technology, engineering, ect. Women’s are all ego-centric pieces of crap: Cosmo, Marie Claire, People. Aside from these types of magazines, the fashion ones, and cooking/housekeeping ones (which young women almost never buy btw), what other kinds of magazines do you see young women buying in droves? The Economist? Times? National Geographic? What is the ratio of women to men for each of these examples?”
You see, I have a hard time trying to identify with most young women, so I’m going to try to do this right now.
Most average young women find that their lack of interest in most outside activities is not a hindrance to their ability to seek male attention. Most average young women realize that the hip thing to do is to follow the droves of other young women and do nothing. Most average young women are not surrounded by adults that are brilliant in skilled in particular fields that can guide them, and even so, the snobby ones would look down on old people and continue doing what they do.
I know Lance at Honey&Lance was telling girls to try to find something they liked besides texting and shopping to improve their dating prospects. It separates the LTRs from the Pump and dumps.
See, I personally went to a school for people with passions and interests in various fields, so I wasn’t surrounded by many of these people. Tell me if you think I’m somewhat on mark.
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I just wrote about the impact of feminism on societal social values, using the Chris Brown case as an illustrative example.
Chris Brown and the Feminist Value System
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@dana:
“–but as an avid craftsperson i have to point out the female hobbies of knitting, crochet, sewing, quilting, beading, needlepoint and cross stitch for example.”
once you start knitting, you’ll never stop!
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maurice
just to alleviate some potential misconceptions based on my mannish writing style and opinions, i am very traditionally feminine in my marriage, cooking, cleaning and caring for my husband. hes a very traditional law and order/military/ISTJ type and made it perfectly clear to me we were not going to be married unless things were handled a certain way, and i am fine with those ways. he is unequivocally the boss.
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yeh mandy, i’ve been knitting longer than you’ve been alive
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@dana -. “…and i am fine with those ways. he is unequivocally the boss.”
Huge admirer already but you just clinched if for me. You rock!
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@dana:
“yeh mandy, i’ve been knitting longer than you’ve been alive.”
This is one of the privelidges of being an adult. Telling teenagers and young folk these sorts of things to make them feel awkward.
“i am very traditionally feminine in my marriage, cooking, cleaning and caring for my husband.”
We should share recipes! But not now.
There are too many ladies here. Roissy’s going to come soon and break up our pajama party.
I’m taking the chips.
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I think he is, too.
Doesn’t matter if the talent is innate — it still takes work to get to a certain level. Blogging for a couple years can’t hurt.
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@dana- OK, not surprising about the traditional female role. that’s consistent with what you write. but the knitting is not really congruent with having been the bitch/pump of a local punk band. kind of like finding peach cobbler in a biker bar. maybe that was just a teenage phase, though.
@LR- porn wasn’t the point of the post – it was about hobbies and mental activities, the different kinds of reading for pleasure that men and women do. the equivalent of porn for women is those insipid harlequin romances, which sell very well. (also, lots of women like porn as well.) cosmo is unreadable to most men – maybe your army buddy was just silently laughing at what a moron you are for reading it. or maybe he’s not too bright either.
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Welmer
This is the first time that I am hearing of this. Adivasis are tribals, untouched by the Hindu caste-system. The Devadasi system existed in the latter. And it was heriditary, there was no option for these women to get out of that status. I doubt if we can call them whores when they never had any choice.
Yoga as a part of Hinduism and related religions like Buddhism/Jainism. As far as I know the Adivasis never took to Yoga.
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””””Catherine,
The Economist? ”””””’
Lost credibility on the african aids reporting in my book.
Pure gayness.
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”””””””dana
catherine
what you say is undoubtable true on the whole–but as an avid craftsperson i have to point out the female hobbies of knitting, crochet, sewing, quilting, beading, needlepoint and cross stitch for example. go into a crafts store like michaels and talk to the focussed obsessed women there who spend all of their time thinking about combos of Aran stitches. i am obsessed with all of these crafts and quite passionate about them and subscribe to magazines about them and read blogs about them”””””””””””
My very first intinct on you was correct. I think catherine has an alpha son.
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@dana- OK, understood. you either made it sound a little more dangerous/promiscuous than that before, or i misinterpreted. doesn’t matter anyway, and i stand corrected.
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The Economist has gone noticeably and considerably more PC and liberal than it used to be.
It’s still reasonably high brow. Upper middle brow I guess.
It’s core philosophy is still a liberal slant on classical liberalism: it’s messianic about free trade, but also relatively free immigration, globalism, science, technology and economic growth. It’s still hostile to nationalization and socialism at least in the form of state ownership if not redistribution, and friendly about privitization.
However, it used to be willing to entertain non PC truths and issues, but is much less so now. It’s essentially unwilling to take any Euro protests against too much mass Muslim immigraton seriously or recognize cultural threats. Similarly with different regions do differently well for reasons of human capital and IQ rather than just educational inputs. It hardly entertains the notion that torture sometimes works when obviously it does. The old Economist would say it does but isn’t worth it – usually. That kind of thing. The current one less so.
Too bad.
And yeah, I don’t think I read what you’re talking about re: Aids in Africa, but I can see the current Economist downplaying differences in sexual behavior while the old one wouldn’t have as much.
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Well, Kowsik, my first experience with yoga practitioners was in Rajneeshpuram, where uzi-toting hippies (first time I’d ever seen uzi submachine guns in real life) had their own city. I can’t remember why we passed through (I was a little kid), but I had to take a leak on a road trip and stopped in one of their new-age restaurants to use the bathroom. What a bunch of weirdos! They were all wearing these ridiculous pink and red diaphanous robes.
The guru, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (AKA Osho), kept a harem of women as well a garage full of Rolls Royces and wrote about how yoga was good for your soul. The guy was essentially a pimp, and he ended up orchestrating a bioterror attack on the citizens of The Dalles, Oregon.
The yoga movement in the US was all about this hippie crap and sexual liberation. The greasy yoga instructor with his stable of women was kind of an accurate stereotype back in the 1980s. It is quite ironic that the popularity of yoga in the West, sordid as its origins were, has led to its resurgence in India.
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”””””’doug1,
And yeah, I don’t think I read what you’re talking about re: Aids in Africa, but I can see the current Economist downplaying differences in sexual behavior while the old one wouldn’t have as much.”””””””””””
Just like the 45 percent aids rate zimbabwe.
If I am going to be brainwashed I want it to be by people who don’t know any better. Although maybe it works to connect you as a one of the legos that make the system.
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Gregi: looks like you bought low and sold high. Nice work. ‘
@PA: those two do really stick with me, as does the jewish princess. I think the three of them represent some sort of platonic forms of femaleness. I’ll call them, “yuck,” “bitch” and “hello nurse.”
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Welmer
The guru, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (AKA Osho), kept a harem of women as well a garage full of Rolls Royces and wrote about how yoga was good for your soul. The guy was essentially a pimp, and he ended up orchestrating a bioterror attack on the citizens of The Dalles, Oregon.
OSHO: Marriage and Children
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The yoga movement in the US was all about this hippie crap and sexual liberation. The greasy yoga instructor with his stable of women was kind of an accurate stereotype back in the 1980s. It is quite ironic that the popularity of yoga in the West, sordid as its origins were, has led to its resurgence in India.”…………………….
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Again you are wrong. Yoga has never stopped being practised in India. We have thousands of yoga shallas there – from the small to the large that can hold thousands of people – including those foreigners you talk about.
Yoga is our culture and it is woven into all aspects of life from the village to the city. We don’t need half naked white people on TV to teach us yoga.
(by the way, don’t know why you would think yoga was practiced in Bangalore of all places and not through the country side. Bangalore is India’s Silicon Valley and the young IT workers there are more interested in pubbing than yoga.
Keep in mind that India did not have color television until the 80s. Before that, most of India did not own TVs and even now, many people do not. (forget the internet, most villagers do not have a computer or surf the web)
But now, as technology is spreading fast throughout the towns and certainly the cities, Indians can watch yoga classes on TV. But these classes are given by Indians who do not have a following in the West, like Swami Rama.
Please do not equate Osho with yoga. Osho (Bhagwan Rajneesh) and his group have always had a dubious reputation in conservative India. I’ve been to his headquarters in Pune and the place is held in suspicion amongst the locals (though I have to say it is a beautiful and nicely set up oasis in the heart of a noisy city).
The body and image obsessed yoga of the West is not what yoga is like in India. However, perhaps the Bollywood types would be interested in that form and hence even Shilpa Shetty put out her own sexy yoga DVD. But this is NOT the traditional form of yoga as has been practiced in India from ancient times til now, non stop.
RE: Adivasis and “yoginis”. Again all your links were from dalit.org and affiliates. What else can I say – not reliable info.
By calling victims of sex slavery trafficking “yogini”, they are doing a disservice to those victims by deflecting attention away from the crime towards yoga!
One dubious link you gave regarded one town by the name of Hindupur. It may be in that town that “yogini'” is code word that pimps and others involved in that business IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCALITY use. But “yogini” does not mean “prostitute”.
Adivasi means “original dweller” and they are tribal people. They don’t build big temples or anything like that. If some tribes have prostitution then it is going on with or without a temple. This term “temple prostitute” makes no sense whatsoever. Either there is sexual slavery and child trafficking or there is not. Temples have nothing to do with it unless some temple staff is working as a pimp.
Perhaps the afro-centric dalits who want to divide India up into “stans” (yet again), are calling prostitutes “yoginis” in order to belittle Hindu traditions.
What I can say is that they are doing nothing to help the true cause of adi vasis (tribals), and victims of sex slave trafficking.
Give up your ignorance.
If a village Indian gets on the net and sees a KKK site and assumes the whole of America to be like that and call American whores “Christian nuns”… i would also correct their ignorance.
Of imagine if I googled “black panthers” and when online and assumed the entire USA was like that, or googled NOI, and assumed the whole of USA were followers of Elijah Muhammed!
Or if I said “Thailand is majority Buddhist. Thailand has a huge sex tourism industry. Therefore that means Buddhists are pimps and prostitutes”.
Get a life! Or at least get some analytical skills!
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Thanks Lupo,
I think secret is just get 2 to 4 cents and out within 15 minutes. Get three of those a day. I did multiple stocks to prove I could make money on any stock it was all about numbers not research. Keep 20 screens so it keeps brain working at max so you don’t try to force moves by only having limited choices. Remove passion treat it as repedative. Stick with what works. Kind of like trying for fuckclose and already having a woman you can go home and fuck don’t be desperate and don’t get latched on to one there are thousands out there.
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Welmer,
Yoga, Tantra etc. are among the various sects/paths towards, what Buddha called, Nirvana. These involve mastery over our senses/desires through harsh discipline. As one is gaining mastery over desires it is very easy for things to go wrong. Power corrupts. So these practices are to be followed only under the guidance of a Guru who is known to have attained Nirvana himself. Yogi is a title used for such people.
It is very difficult to find such Yogis: they have very strict standards for taking disciples, and they prefer anonymity. Most Hindus follow the Bhakti (devotion) school which is similar in practice to other religions.
In general people in India don’t trust those who advertise themselves as Yogis because a Yogi is expected to prefer anonymity (popularity is associated with vanity). Also people fear real Gurus/Yogis as much as they worship them, as they are known to not tolerate the hypocrisy that is involved in our regular life.
I don’t know much about Rajneesh, except that he is talked of as a Tantric gone wrong. A few try to defend his actions, but I haven’t found any acceptable defense of his actions yet. A couple of his talks that I had read sounded sane, but the notoriety that he has gained can’t be without any basis. It is silly to condemn all Yogis because of a few controversial cases like Rajneesh.
The Yoga that has become popular these days is just some ‘warm-up exercises’ that are considered ‘safe’ for the general public. Considering its association with austerity it was not fashionable. As you said, once Americans started doing Yoga, it was back in fashion in India.
Kowsik
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The picture reminds me of boot camp, minus the rifles and the uniforms, but with better tents and better weather. I still have no desire to go camping, ever.
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Rain and Dana, here’s the deal: neither of you is normal, so it’s kind of pointless to pick at each other on the basis of abnormality. Neither of you is even hypothetically in competition for the same kind of men.
The problem between you, as I see it, is that you both presume that all women would be better off thinking as you do. I understand that this is the step right after realizing that because of being unusual, you’re happier than many if not most of your peers. Been there, done that, got the white caftan with matching gelee.
Thing is, though you both may be managing your respective situations well, humans are not born blank slates. Each person has a maximum potential in various arenas that may be more or less than others. There is also no such thing as equal distribution in this between races or individuals. Some people(s) are greater than most others, and some lesser. That’s just life.
If we’re going to get along with one another, whether or not we express this to others, we must accept our own place in this world. We must be honest with ourselves about who we are, and where we fit, and at least not lie to ourselves or annoy others with what we know are lies.
It is a lie that either of you live idyllic lives without problems or suffering. There are problems inherent with being a traditional wife type, and there are problems with being a hoe. In between the extremes, there are problems with being a non traditional wife, an old maid, a sassy broad, an angel of mercy, a nun…
We all got issues, and really, I don’t know about the guys here or the other women, but this, “My life(style) is perfect and I’m perfectly happy, so you must be stupid,” is wearing kind of thin.
As women, we’re guests here. I am probably more unwelcome than either of you, maybe because I don’t pretend my life is perfect, think I’m the hottest whale in the sea, or that I’ve never made mistakes; but even through the naughtiness of my even posting here, I realize that it is a privilege granted by the administrator. The estrogen wars are something guys don’t really need to see, and whether you are right or wrong in a particular argument, you don’t really solve anything or teach men anything but that women can be bitches to each other.
I fear that both of your horses are a little too high. Careful some guy someday doesn’t knock you both off them.
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GunnyGregi: I did some day trading myself, and more or less got hooked on the financial game that way. Originally I wanted to be a structurer. Go work for the House of Morgan; hand some New York Princess my balls. Bah. Trading cured me of this. I’m algo all the way to the bank. I’d have a heart attack at 50 if I tried to make a living this way without computers; I’ll let the ole Mac make my decisions for me. That way I can stay drunk and nekkid with the purdy girls during trading hours.
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nicole
shut the fuck up, you blithering idiot
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Will Dana take Nicole down?
Or will they accept their differences?
And what will Roissy say to LR next?
Find out all this AND MORE on next week’s ESTROGEN WARS!
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Man, Nicole’s comments was great, I was really hoping you had an equally thoughtful response. Disappointing.
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Nicole has a bad rhetorical habit that’s very common to intuitive people: she stays at a high level of generality.
Good writing uses both the general and the particular. And Nicole is too abstract.
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Either way, she made some solid points.
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“not to women who are illogical, amoral animals who despise justice and are destroying the US”
This sounds, strangely enough, like it was copy and pasted from something lurker said.
Although “amoral” was just stolen from roissy.
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Dana, apparently you just switched horses. You’ve been knocked off when you love everything about yourself that is female, even the amoral bit that is installed to protect your offspring from any and all threats, and play non sexual but attractive and congenial whore to enhance your man’s business.
I see both of you doing a considerable amount of self soothing and condeming, and self soothing through condemnation, which I won’t be specific about on account of a few holy cows I don’t want to explicitly tip on account of my party crasher status here.
As Anton LaVey would say though, a person who worships Satan is a Christian, not a Satanist. IMO, a person who focusses on the female issues rather than human issues is a feminist.
Pedestal and gallows are both artificial structures.
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what?
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”””””Lupo
GunnyGregi: I did some day trading myself, and more or less got hooked on the financial game that way. Originally I wanted to be a structurer. Go work for the House of Morgan; hand some New York Princess my balls. Bah. Trading cured me of this. I’m algo all the way to the bank. I’d have a heart attack at 50 if I tried to make a living this way without computers; I’ll let the ole Mac make my decisions for me. That way I can stay drunk and nekkid with the purdy girls during trading hours.”””””””””’
The adrenaline rush is off the chain. Yea I think bust a couple years put money into solid shit that makes monthly payments but have had the pleaure of living the experience. Yea I need to talk with you after he he he
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I originally wanted to work for merril lynch. Talked to guy there he said read economist. I guess maybe made good descisions lol
Yea was talking with engineer chick who knows a guy who was day trading doing well. Then another guy came up to him and said are you done playing? Showed him the computer model shit. I guess now he basically makes money off it easy. Spends his life starting out multiple business’s.
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Roissy, I tell myself and anyone who will listen exactly these same reasons why I don’t hang out with chicks, and have no female friends. You, sir, have said it much more eloquently than I ever could have. Bravo.
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Honestly, the only necessary reason to talk to females is because they have a Wagina.
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Well,I don’t have any female “friends,” just hot babes I bed!!!!
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