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A sexually frustrated beta has sublimated his pain into a murderous shooting spree aimed at his ex-girlfriend. He left an online diary behind offering a glimpse of his blackened soul:

Sodini’s Aug. 3 online diary entry, which included a date of death, was full of disturbing musings about religion and his plans for the attack. He noted that he hadn’t had a drink since 2:30 on Friday as part of his preparation.

“Total effort needed. Tomorrow is the big day. Unfortunately I talked to my neighbor today, who is very positive and upbeat. I need to remain focused and absorbed COMPLETELY,” the diary read. “Last time I tried this, in January, I chickened out.”

The diary also indicated that Sodini hadn’t had sex since 1990 and that his so-called “practice papers” — details about the planning of the attack — are welcome to be published afterward because “maybe all this will shed insight on why some people just cannot make things happen in their life, which can potentially benefit others”.

When men kill women, the underlying reason is almost always an unfulfilled psychosexual need. This goes for spree shooters, rapists, and serial killers. I’m not surprised Sodini hadn’t had sex in nearly 20 years. As I’ve written before, to some men on the losing side of the desireability bell curve celibacy is walking death and anything is justified in avoiding that miserable fate.

Click on the first link to see a picture of Sodini. He’s not a bad-looking guy and he’s in shape. There is nothing outwardly repulsive about him that would cripple his chances with women. But as we know the physical appearance of a man reveals little about the state of his spirit. A decent looking guy can harbor the sunken ship of a broken beta heart, and clearly Sodini was a beta, if not an omega, as his 20 year dry spell attests.

If Sodini had learned game he would have been able to find another woman and gotten laid after his ex dumped him. He wouldn’t have spent the next 20 years steeped in bile and weighed down by his Sisyphian blue balls, dreaming of vengeance. Game could have saved the lives of the women Sodini killed.

I agree with the gist of what commenter Whiskey has written — as the West reverts back to the ancestral sexual market that is currently in operation in sub-Saharan Africa, we are going to see a growing eunuchracy of involuntarily celibate betas and the marginalized men in their ranks decide that exiting in a blaze of hot lead beats living in loveless obscurity. And ex-girlfriends are target #1.

2,195 Responses

  1. What is the future of a society-

    when a guy who is educated, not ugly and has a good job (systems analyst) cannot find a woman for 20 years.


  2. I think he should have just bought sex, a systems analyst at a law firm is not a bad job.

    A few trips per year to the safer places in S.America and E.Europe could have given him all the pussy he ever dreamed of.

    I mean he had no real financial obligations, heck he could get a new escort every week and still spend less than if he was married or divorced.

    [editor: which goes to prove the importance to men of being with a woman who *wants* to be there. whores are an acceptable sexual release for most betas and omegas, but they will never feel as good as sex with a woman who loves you.]


  3. Same guy?

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/george-sodini/3/2aa/466

    George Sodini
    Systems Analyst at K&L Gates
    Greater Pittsburgh Area

    Connections:28 connections
    Industry:Legal Services


  4. George Sodini is an MRA hero as much a reason to learn game. Finally a mass murderer writes a relatively coherent manifesto. Could be better, but at least it is implied that feminism is to blame and he is taking a last stand. I had been waiting for this (almost thinking I had to do it myself) and I am impressed. Kudos.


  5. Law firms typically pay at the higher end.

    2007 Salary: Business Systems Analyst

    2007 average salary range: $61,250 – $86,500

    One escort on an unlimited menu (in N.America)= maximum 300$/hr

    8 escorts per month= 300 * 8 = 2,400 /month

    2,400 *12 = 28,800/ year.

    12*8 = potentially 96 different women per year (many more if he traveled abroad to buy sex).


  6. I read the guys on-line screeds. It is so spot-on for terminal malignant betatude, I would call hoax if there were not real life corpses and pools of blood on the gym floor in PA.


  7. on August 5, 2009 at 11:16 am Seeking Alpha

    Lucifer, you’re 80% of the comments in this post. Slow down. Put multiple thoughts in one comment. Or don’t feel the need to say everything that comes into your head.


  8. I can’t help but think that if Sodini had smoked some weed, and paid for sex (via stripper or in Amsterdam or something), he wouldn’t have been as wound up.

    Alcohol, although it loosens inhibitions, can compound the problem because excessive drinking leads to whiskey-dick. Pot may make you clam up a bit, or be a bit paranoid perhaps (i.e., can potentially hurt game), but physiologically you’ll be fine.

    Also, maybe get the fuck outta PA, at least for a bit. Even if you have no friends. Go to Thailand for shit’s sake. He said he had 250 K….he should’ve gone on a sex & drugs binge before the massacre, just for the fuck of it. Maybe that would’ve made him reconsider.

    Jesus.


  9. According to him, at least a hundred women told him that he was “nice.”

    This reminds me of the Virginia Tech case, although that guy was too creepy to even get that.


  10. A MRA hero? You’re joking right?


  11. I think that we can all agree that if you want to attract girls, go in for serial killing, not a mass killing.


  12. on August 5, 2009 at 11:23 am ironrailsironweights

    One thing that might help prevent future incidents of this sort is repealing IMBRA, the federal law that essentially put the mail order bride industry out of business.

    Peter


  13. @Richard Hoste:

    I don’t know this guy, so I can’t say, but girls not trying to be rude can say that to creepy guys as well. Or strange guys. Or guys that make them mildly uncomfortable.

    “Oh you’re so nice and different!”

    The VT guy didn’t even get that because he was so extremely creepy no one even wanted to talk to him.


  14. Roissy,

    Most of my cousins are girls and by observing their behavior, I realized that female love was not real before I was 14.

    So, I was cynical about the whole subject. I see it as fickle infatuation, at best.


  15. In my early late teens and early 20’s I was much better than average looking- plus I had a great body.
    I was super nice and naïve on women- I was shy and romantic- I was NOT cocky funny, sexual, or an asshole to women.

    I could not get laid- I could not get laid- I could NOT get laid.
    I have to tell you- those were dark times, dark thoughts- I was in a very bad place.
    If you scored women naturally in HS you don’t know what it is like to be brutally rejected over and over at such a young age; you don’t know what that can do to a young man. If you haven’t experienced that first hand you can’t really understand what life is like as a beta.

    When you are young- if multiple women reject you while you are being sincerely nice and genuine it can devastate your psyche.
    Dr. Paul has mentioned on numerous occasions that the lack of “game” for males is a major public health hazard.


  16. The idea that anybody can be saved by game is like the liberal idea that any child can be saved by “education.”

    There are natural limits. It looks like this guy was really into self-improvement. And considering he liked the internet, I’d be shocked if he hadn’t heard of game. Whatever “it” is that leads to bonding with women, he didn’t have it.

    Some are simply not fit for the modern world.


  17. C’mon. 20 years of celibacy has to make you an Omega, or Beta becomes such a broad term as to be meaningless. I thought “Beta” described the typical American male – married men who have sex 6-10 times a year with their wives and maybe visit the occasional prostitute or have a random office affair at some point in their lives with some beta female co-worker. This guy is in a whole different category.


  18. 5’10” and 150. 150!? That’s a lightweight. Which can be great, but it seems a little inappropriate for a guy in his 40’s.

    “At 20 a man is a peacock, at 30 a lion, at 40 a camel, at 50 a serpent, at 60 a dog, at 70 an ape, and at 80 nothing.” Baltasar Gracian.

    Per that advice, I wonder: had he gone through a lion or bulk-up phase? An camel endurance phase? At 48 he should be thinning down into a wily tough dude, if he’s thinning at all. I’m wondering if he might have done better to put on 20-30 lbs of muscle; hit the plates instead of the aerobics.


  19. I’ve yet to checkout this Man’s site(s), etc, but from the buzz I’m getting from the internet, it seems real enough, and again goes right to points I’ve made earlier, and to which Roissy has eloquently stated. To briefly re-cap:

    1. Men NEED Women to help them grow. This includes emotionally, socially, perhaps even spiritually. Men who spend long stretches of time away from Women w/no way to release sexual tension etc, invariably crack up. We have seen this over and over, and Sodini is no different.

    2. The WORST thing that can happen to a Man is coming into a good bit of money, because, unless he has some measure of Game already, it only serves to hurt him. One way or another. Sodini by all accounts, made a nice dollar and had no major expenses to speak of-yet, he was miserable. Sure, he could have bought sex as Lucifer and a few others have suggested, but I’m with Roissy on this one-its hard to beat sex from a Woman who wants to be w/you. Just my take on it, though I concede that in this case its definitely better than nothing if he used ho’s.

    3. SOCIETY DOESN’T GET IT, Men w/o Women in a sexual and social/emotional sense=a disaster waiting to happen. First it was Atta & the Towers, then it was Cho and Virginia Tech, and now this. Not even counting all the other shoot em up incidents in between. When are we gonna get it?

    This is some shameful shit.

    The Obsidian


  20. The 9-11 hijackers should have had more game. Could have figured out an easier way of gotten laid by dozens of virgins.


  21. I’m having trouble with this one. I havn’t read his diary because it is down now, but I can’t help thinking there is something more here. That guy (looks OK and has $) could get laid in less than a week on match.com or some similar sight.

    And could also find some sort of “seeking arrangements” situation even if he didn’t resort to actual whores.

    This guy had bigger issues.

    Thats not to say that it isnt an interesting commentary on women not liking “providers” but I think he had more issues than merely being on the wrong end of the sexual market place.


  22. In continuation of above…I’m in complete agreement regarding soft polygamy and flaky women turning the world into a giant, non-committed brothel with tons of unknowning cuckolds picking up the bill…

    …but the whole idea of mass hordes of celebate guys, no. I see and know douche bags every day going on dates, getting married, getting laid, etc.

    [editor: douchebags are not betas. in fact, they are often the opposite of betas.]

    I just dont see the massive celebacy Roissy talks about IRL.

    [are you a woman? because only a woman could be ignorant or disbelieving of the multitudes of sexless men in her midst, and of how much more difficult it is for the average man to get laid than it is for the average woman.]


  23. Obsidian,

    I see it as an example of system feedback. Systems that cannot accommodate, adjust and change in response to feedback wither away.


  24. -Madras-
    Of course you see douche bags dating. That’s who women want to date.

    As a young man i could never figure out why women dated assholes and complained to me (their non sexual boyfriend) about them.

    Now i know- and i know because of blogs like this.


  25. Madra

    Maybe he did have some “other issues” but whatever they might have been, unwanted perpetual celibacy could not have been a positive influence on his emotional balance. And a little nookie might have been enough of a cure to keep him from going over the edge. I would bet on it, actually.


  26. Reading though his blog posts a bit. This guy is a sad case (who morphed into a murderer). He mentions some woman giving him the eye at the gym, but not really attempting to pursue her, as he doesn’t want to get “distracted” from his “mission”. He keeps reinforcing negative outcomes in his mind, the very opposite of what should be done. (paraphrasing: “Oh well, nothing will change anyway. I can’t achieve my goals, so why bother”).

    He touches on a mindset familiar to any man who’s been through a prolonged dry-spell: the idea that womankind has rejected him. That women, as a whole find him unworthy. In some sense, this is obviously true, as evidence by his dry-spell-of-epic-proportions. But in another sense, it’s an illusion. It’s as if he thinks all women are in cahoots, and have formed a pact to keep him sexless. (paraphrasing: “30 million women have rejected me”.) This illusion helps reinforce his negative mental spiral, as implicitly assumes that every woman who is not his has implicitly rejected him. This leads him to preemptively assume that his next interaction with a woman will be unsuccessful, etc.

    While women can definitely be generalized about, but they are not identical automatons. Liberals, woman-on-pedestal-placing social conservatives, and many chicks are mistaken about the former (e.g. the “special snowflake” syndrome). But uber-betas are often mistaken about the latter.

    I note that suicide rates are higher in the summer than in winter, and that the clinically depressed often put their suicidal ideation into action once the begin medication. Why is that? The thinking is that going through with suicide (or murder/suicide) in this case takes a bit of cojones, some testosterone. Those who are severely depressed often simply cannot be bothered to carry out their awful thoughts (just as they can’t bring themselves to bathe, or perform other basic functions). But…once they get a jolt of SSRIs, or prolonged sunlight, or extra energy from lifting weights, then suddenly feel a bit better and have a bit more energy. The tragedy is that they don’t feel so much better that they want to do the hard work it takes to heal, but feel just enough of an improvement that carrying-out their awful visions doesn’t seem so onerous.

    In Sodini’s case this common tragedy lead to an atrocity.

    PS – The VA TECH shooter seemed much more disturbed than this guy.


  27. @Madras:

    FSU did a study where random guys and girls went up to people of the opposite sex and asked them for sex.

    All (or nearly all) of the girls that were asked said no.

    All of the guys said yes and were disappointed to find out it was a just a survey.

    How can you be blind to celibacy in men?

    @Obsidian:

    Very true and insightful post.

    I hear most guys lamenting that there is nothing for men to offer women anymore nowadays; at least not in the traditional sense. A man can’t offer to provide for her, what with all these power women (“I don’t need a man!”) providing for themselves.


  28. Rum,

    Thats probably right.

    Roissy,

    As per your comments to mine above: I am a guy. I live your in city. I went to a really nerdy college. Everyone was fuking like rabbits. The same on the Hill in DC. The quality might not be good and the women are playing some fucked up games backed up by feminist-bull-shit-empworment….but at least at 28 years old, I just don’t know that many guys who are truly celibate(over maybe a month or three). The longest I’ve gone is 3 weeks since I was 16. I dont consider myself a high Alpha by any means. Sex is just sort of there if you dedicate yourself. Now, good sex? no Loving women? no. But some sort of consentual sex with a female? Yeah. Maybe I’m not looking hard enough or I only have non-omega friends. I honestly don’t know. I really buy into your views on most things, and I could see celibacy becoming a cultural issue down the road. But right now?

    [editor: social circles matter. if you are a guy who does OK with women, then most likely you are hanging out with dudes who also don’t have a lot of trouble getting laid. call it assortative befriending. but if you step outside your horizons and know what to look for (that is, most celibate men aren’t going to admit their failure with women; you have to know the signs) then you’ll see that there is a sizeable minority of average men who are living lives of de facto celibacy.]


  29. I’m not convinced that game is going to help guys that are so socially inept that they remain sexless for two decades. There are deeper psychological problems unaddressed here and we trivialize how disturbed some people are merely because they don’t have access to regular pussy. It is not hard to land a girl, any girl if you have a social circle. Only among PUAs is there such a focus on cold approaches to broaden the pool of prospects. There is also a problem with men that feel entitled to a 9 or 10 just because they’ve got a steady job and a mortgage.


  30. I’m with Richard on this. Some people just can’t cope. If he was looking for answers, he would have found them, like Arpagus (whose honesty I appreciate) did.

    What jumps out at me about the guy is the domineering mother. Where was this guy’s dad? Apparently whatever was wrong with this guy was made to be so long before he became a disgruntled adult.

    He was programmed with an ideology that did not allow him to see the (mere) humanity of his mother, and this made other women smaller scale monsters. She also, by example, apparently raised him to be a brat who couldn’t handle the fact that people don’t have to do what he wants them to.

    The “violence veto” however, is the reason I don’t mess with people who aren’t trying to harm me. It’s also one reason that I’m glad not to look like the preferred objects of people with the high entitlement/low motivation combo. If a guy was depressed over losing me, people who don’t know me would laugh at him.


  31. If the best solution and outlet he could find and think of, especially considering the availability of many resources if you look or are open to them, is murder…

    Then yes, his genes should not have been passed on.

    Sexual selection was working.

    The biggest mistake his ex made was being associated with him in any way.

    That said, he’s useful as a symbol for the sexually frustrated male and their struggles. He could shed more light on the issues, or conversely be used as a symbol for generating more anti-male sentiment. Realise how potent the weapon of a ‘nice guy’ breaking into violence is in generating propaganda and oppressing and distrusting even the mildest mannered men.

    The facts about the mechanics of the causation don’t matter in generating propaganda.

    However, I wouldn’t cheapen anyone and their personality by equating them to this guy.

    The problem with e.g. Arpagus’ MRA stance is that there is this assumption that all men deserve to get laid. They do not.

    [editor: deservin’s got nothing to do with it. similarly, it is also a false assumption that all women “deserve” to get laid. the fat and ugly and old and frigid women do not.]

    That is how it has always worked. The best must get selected. The problems these days is that they are not, it is perhaps more whiskey’s Thug hypothesis.

    I’m sorry, Mr. Shooting Spree does not qualify as The Best, Mr. I Thought About It But Got Over It is.


  32. Arpagus: calling this loser beta a hero? A guy who isn’t laid in 20 years and kills a bunch of women who are doing the right thing by attempting to get fit and attractive?

    Kill yourself.

    Obsidian, surprised you haven’t remarked on the shooter’sdiary entry on his resentments toward black men having the pick of the best white women. WTF? That totally goes against stereotype of black men only getting the white leftovers.


  33. Bhetti,

    There is an interesting corollary to your belief that all men do not deserve to get laid. I think you just saw that in action… did you like it?


  34. Bhetti

    From a womans perspective – and maybe froms Darwins – many men should never get laid and by all means should never pass on their tragically flawed genetic offering.
    Your next assignment is to explain all of this to a very angry, very frustrated, heavily armed man.


  35. All this talk about celibacy and yet most miss the important point of it. A celibate needs to actively work to transmute his sexual drive or else it will only lead to frustration. Celibacy if done actively in a way that seeks to reduce all sexual stimuli, is not harmfull for man. The problem with people today is that they instead feed their frustration. The very idea that a man Needs a woman. is what makes the man act like a beggar.

    Singlehood without abstinence is like a car without fuel.


  36. Moral to strory if your gonna go out in a blaze make sure you make the news. Be famous.


  37. @Hansen:

    “A celibate needs to actively work to transmute his sexual drive or else it will only lead to frustration. Celibacy if done actively in a way that seeks to reduce all sexual stimuli, is not harmfull for man. ”

    But this is usually through chosen celibacy. People who don’t want to be celibate, but are, are bound to experience a crippling frustration.

    Celibacy by choice is an entirely different thing and can be beneficial.

    (Although now I’m prompted to think of Catholic priests molesting small boys. Great)


  38. Too bad this guy missed Mandy! XD.

    Feminism is the creationism of the left.


  39. Yea guys need to be taking out the indirect political causes of there pain not the direct causes so the shit changes. I mean it is obvious the politicians judges lawyers don’t give a fuck if woman get killed.


  40. Mandy! XD, being a dumbass:

    “Although now I’m prompted to think of Catholic priests molesting small boys.”

    —The percentage of Catholic priests accused of molestation (of both boys and girls) is actually lower than the population in general.

    However, a liberal feminist media highlights them to “prove” how “evil” the Catholic Church is.

    You NotMyPresident’s supporters sure do know how to distort the truth in furtherahnce of your destructive agenda.

    Onwards, Comrade Bizznich!


  41. Hansen

    The weird thing about the catholic priestly mindset of “celibacy” is that the main concern seemed to be about the need to avoid healthy sexuality with adult, enthusiastic women. Terrified little boys apparently were not so problematic.


  42. Roissy,

    What are your thoughts on Ted Bundy?


  43. on August 5, 2009 at 12:23 pm mandy been here a while

    Yeah, I agree with A-Bax.

    Why no prostitutes? Wouldn’t that have helped?

    I think some men are beyond the reach of game. If someone has a really messed up personality and they don’t relate well to others at all, there is only so much Mystery, Roissy et al can teach them.


  44. “But this is usually through chosen celibacy. People who don’t want to be celibate, but are, are bound to experience a crippling frustration.”

    Wether chosen or not, the way to deal with the situation is the same. The path of the celibate man is one that yhas been walked for eons.

    So if you are non-eligible, you have to deal with the frustration. Either you learn game and deal with your frustration that way, or you learn transmutation.

    Being in unvoluntary singlehood and saturating ones neural pathways with pornography will only reinforce the reasons one is single in the first way, and will also remove any fruitfull spiritual gains from singlehood.


  45. Rome, Arpagus is just saying what many men in his situation are thinking.

    It’s not really sex that they feel entitled to. It’s respect. The problem is that many don’t understand that they’re not entitled to respect, but they should demand as much as they give of it anyway. Then if they don’t get it, they don’t take it personally, but they also filter out the people who don’t or won’t respect them.

    Entitlement makes people seek and expect things that if they don’t get, they feel wronged. Demanding what you want while understanding that you’re not entitled means that if you don’t get what you want, you may feel disappointed, but not wronged unless you were actually wronged, and even that in realistic proportion.


  46. Site is down, but I saved a copy of the log:

    Why do this?? To young girls? Just read below. I kept a running log that includes my thoughts and actions, after I saw this project was going to drag on.

    November 5, 2008:
    Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. Not like I give a flying fcuk who won, since this exit plan was already planned. Good luck to Obama! He will be successful. The liberal media LOVES him. Amerika has chosen The Black Man. Good! In light of this I got ideas outside of Obama’s plans for the economy and such. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl hoe to hone up on. Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Long ago, many a older white male landowner had a young Negro wench girl for his desires. Bout’ time tables are turned on that shit. Besides, dem young white hoez dig da bruthrs! LOL. More so than they dig the white dudes! Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be bangin a bruthr real good. I saw it. “Not my little girl”, daddy says! (Yeah right!!) Black dudes have thier choice of best white hoez. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so.

    December 22, 2008:
    Time is moving along. Planned to have this done already. I will just keep a running log here as time passes. Many of the young girls here look so beautiful as to not be human, very edible. After joining this gym, started lifting weights and like it. Much info about weight programs, diet etc on the web. Or anything for that matter. Instead of TV I can Google for hours to relax. TV and most movies are dull.

    December 24, 2008:
    Moving into Christmas again. No girlfriend since 1984, last Christmas with Pam was in 1983. Who knows why. I am not ugly or too weird. No sex since July 1990 either (I was 29). No shit! Over eighteen years ago. And did it maybe only 50-75 times in my life. Getting to think that a woman now would just, uh, get in the way of things. Isolated. I have extra money and enjoy traveling, too, wtih my 25-30 days of vacation. LA was the best! But going alone is not too fun. Invited to a party on Christmas day tomorrow. Seems about 15-25 people will actually show. I like her parties; I can meet new people and talk. Got the next 8 days off. I should have exit plan done and practiced by then. I know nothing will change, no matter how hard I try or what goals I set.

    December 28, 2008:
    Glad I stayed around. All these days off are great. I will shoot for Tuesday, January 6, 2009, at maybe 8:15. I have list of to-do items to make.

    December 29, 2008:
    Just got back from tanning, been doing this for a while. No gym today, my elbow is sore again. I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-shaven, bathe, touch of cologne – yet 30 million women rejected me – over an 18 or 25-year period. That is how I see it. Thirty million is my rough guesstimate of how many desirable single women there are. A man needs a woman for confidence. He gets a boost on the job, career, with other men, and everywhere else when he knows inside he has someone to spend the night with and who is also a friend. This type of life I see is a closed world with me specifically and totally excluded. Every other guy does this successfully to a degree. Flying solo for many years is a destroyer. Yet many people say I am easy to get along with, etc. Looking back, I owe nothing to desirable females who ask for anything, except for basic courtesy – usually. Looking back over everything, what bothers me most is the inability to work towards whatever change I choose.

    December 30, 2008:
    While driving I radio surfed to a talk show. The caller was a 30ish black man who was describing the despair in certain black communities. According to him, life is cheap there because you are going to die anyway when you get old. It is the quality of life that is important, he said. If you know the past 40 years were crappy, why live another 30 crappy years then die? His point was they engage in dangerous behavior which tends to shorten the lifespans, to die now and avoid the next 30 crappy years, using my example. The host got sarcastic and ended the call instead of trying understanding his point. Agreement wasn’t necesary. I put music back on. But it was an interesting, and useful point for me to hear.

    December 31, 2008:
    My anger and rage is largely gone since I began lifting weights. Lifting drains me but I still have energy. Somebody else suggested running but that did not help me. I guess strenuous exercise is necesary for a man. So I just learned that now at 48. Maybe 30 years later than I would have liked. My dad never (not once) talked to me or asked about my life’s details and tell me what he knew. He was just a useless sperm doner. Don’t know why, find it fun talking to young kids when I visit someone. Brother was actually counter-productive and would try to embarase me or discourage my efferts when persuing things, esp girls early on (teen years). Useless bully. Result is I am learning basics by trial and error in my 40s, followed by discuragement. Seems odd, but thats true. Writing all this is helping me justify my plan and to see the futility of continuing. Too embarassed to tell anyone this, at almost 50 one is expected to just know these things.
    I hope it doesn’t snow on Tuesday. Just thought of that. The crowd will be thin so I would postpone. Shit!

    Now that I am on the topic of family and people I know, I might as well make a summary of sorts to show where things stand. This is New Years Eve I have time, no date tonight of course, so:

    Honorable mention:

    Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA – “Be Ye Holy, even as I have been Ye holy! Thus saith the lord thy God!”, as pastor Rick Knapp would proclaim. Holy shit, religion is a waste. But this guy teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder then still go to heaven. Ask him. Call him at (724) 325-2655. If no answer there, he should still live at 439 9th Street, Oakmont, PA 15139. In any case, guilt and fear kept me there 13 long years until Nov 2006. I think his crap did the most damage. Their web site: http://www.tetelestai.org.

    Mum – The Central Boss. 717 Highview Road, Pgh PA 15234. Don’t piss her off or she will be mad and vindictive for years. She actually thinks she’s normal. Very dominant. Her way and only her way with no flexibility toward everyone in the household. A power and control thing. People outside the immediate family like her. Why are people vicious with their closest ones? She is the Boss above all other Bosses.

    Michael Sodini – A Boss, my brother (Mike Sodini) 216 Horseshoe Dr, Mars PA – Always the big bully, twice the size of most others. When he bullied or harassed someone, it was the other person who “deserved it”. It was always about him. Way to self absorbed, too. Still is. Used to like to embarrass guys in front of their girlfriends. Lots of other shit. Kind of guy you actually loved to hate. The biggest, most self-centered jagoff I know. He took those bullying “skills” into the business world and is doing good financially. He is a big wheel only in his mind. Most people can see thru all his manipulation. He calls only when he wants something.

    Sherry – sister – More of a victim than anything. Copes by exercising much control over her adult children. We used to be close until her control of L & D caused a conflict. Never the same after.

    David – neph, sis’s son (girlfriend Mallory Squires). Good young guy, though.

    Lisa – niece, sis’s daught. Attractive, smart, emotional – all good YW qualities.

    Idiots:

    Andy Pulkowski – I have been in barrooms and church groups. The worst people by far are the religious types. Especially a right-wing, stiff-faced fundie like Andy. A condescending, demeaning, passive-aggresive person. Frigid, rigid, linear and totally inflexible. Being a very serious person, he cannot hide his frown-lined face. He better not try to smile; lest his face might crack. I knew children of parents who grew up in strict religious homes. Religion has a certain stink to it of guilt, shame, fear, and that moral standard that always contradicts the natural tendencies and desires of a person. Therin lies the conflict. Young person cannot experiment with things to decide on their own and establish their own parameters. So they tend to cut loose and really rebel much worse than the average young person. Ma and Pa never know what goes on. They easily BS their parents because they want to believe their little one is an angel. Andy has a young daughter Bethany Pulkowski away at college, High Point University. I saw her picture on his desk. She’s your basic, attractive, young girl. Please reread my entry made on Nov 5th. That’s only one thing she can do. You Andy types out there need to further strengthen your strict resolve and do more of the same thing! Because those girls were great when I recall my college years! She is someone’s (or many guy’s) little hoe now, I am sure.

    Another point about andy. How can someone be cold, vicious, sarcastic and generally nasty ALL THE TIME and then make the claim about their church life and how good they are? Total hypocritical idiots.

    That’s all for now. That felt good.

    Let’s continue…

    January 5, 2009:
    Was at the gym to lift. Very crowded. Tomorrow should be good. There is a woman there that gives me a certain look every time I am there. I decided to walk over and make a comment about the crowds but she left when I finished the exercise. Better that I do not get sidetracked from tomorrow’s plan anyways. Life is just playing games. One or two dates with her, then the end. No matter how many changes I try to make, things stay the same. Every evening I am alone, and then go to bed alone. Young women were brutal when I was younger, now they aren’t as much, probably because they just see me just as another old man.
    I see twenty something couples everywhere. I see a twenty something guy with a nice twentyish young women. I think those years slipped right by for me. Why should I continue another 20+ years alone? I will just work, come home, eat, maybe do something, then go to bed (alone) for the next day of the same thing. This is the Auschwitz Syndrome, to be in serious pain so long one thinks it is normal. I cannot wait for tomorrow!

    January 6, 2009:
    I can do this. Leaving work today, I felt like a zombie – just going thru the motions. Get on the bus, get the car, drive home…..My mind is screwed up anymore, I can’t concentrate at work or think at all.
    This log is not detailed. It is only for confidence to do this. The future holds even less than what I have today.
    It is 6:40pm, about hour and a half to go. God have mercy. I wish life could be better for all and the crazy world can somehow run smoother. I wish I had answers. Bye.

    It is 8:45PM: I chickened out! Shit! I brought the loaded guns, everything. Hell!

    April 24, 2009:
    Early last month, we had our second general layoff. I survived. First one was in November. When I began 10 years ago, that used to be a nice place to work. I understand the need to reduce staff when times sour, but this is out of proportion to the economic problems at this time. The economy is shrinking by about 4-5%. They decided not to pay Christmas bonus – for staff that amounts to about 8% of yearly pay. Well, OK. Plus no yearly “merit” raise, another 3.5%. That totals to about 11% cut. Plus two layoffs of 5% staff in each case. Do the math. I know this firm is using this downturn as an excuse to take advanage of a bad situation and kill jobs UNNECESSARILY. The second layoff people who actually did work were let go. We all need to pick up the slack so the company can cut beyond what is necesary. Wasn’t going to mention it, because of all this shit, it is K&L Gates, the large law firm headquartered here in Pittsburgh. Just call it K&L Gates Corporation. Most people there are OK and I would never have a shoot ’em up there. They paid me for 10 years, so far!

    I predict I won’t survive the next layoff. That is when there is no point to continue. RIght now, life is bearable and I can get by indefinitely. Something bad must happen. The paycheck is all I have left. The future holds nothing for me. Twenty five years of nothing fun. I never even spent one weekend with a girl in my life, even at my own place. Also unlikely to find another similar job. I guess then is when I take care of things. I don’t have kids, close friends or anything. Just me here. If you have nothing, you have nothing to lose.

    I enjoy writing these entries, I have no plans to go back and edit or even read most stuff already written. If you get bored, just click that “x” at the top, right corner of your browser. Bye.

    May 4, 2009:
    I was so eager to do this last year. The big problem on my mind now is that my job will end soon. One project is being transistioned to another. The other one I am solely responsible, but is being fast tracked to production. I estimate maybe a month. I am not ready for the job market. I am ok what I do, a .NET software developer. Not at the top of the class, but I do a good job. I survived two general layoffs and other little layoffs they are having but keeping quiet about. I hear things.

    The problem is I feel too good now to do this but too bad to enjoy life. I know I will never enjoy life. This is an over 30 year trend. Some people are happy, some are miserable. It is difficult to live almost continuously feeling an undercurrent of fear, worry, discontentment and helplessness. I can talk and joke around and sound happy but under it all is something different that seems unchangable and a permanent part of my being. I need to realize the details of what I never accomplished in life and to be convinced the future is merely a continuation of the past – WHICH IT ALWAYS has been. I am making a list of items that will provide motivation to do the exit plan, it won’t be published. I always had hope that maybe things will improve especially if I make big attempts to change my life. I made many big changes in the past two years but everything is still the same. Life is over. Even though I look good, dress well, well groomed – nails, teeth, hair, etc. Who knows.

    What is it like to be dead? I always think I am forgetting something, that’s one reason I postponed. Similar to when you leave to get in your car to go somewhere – you hesitate with a thought: “what am I forgetting?”. In this case, I cannot make a return trip!

    I like to write and talk. Ironic because I haven’t met anybody recently (past 30 years) who I want to be close friends with OR who want to be close friends with me. I was always open to suggestions to what I am doing wrong, no brother or father (mine are useless) or close friend to nudge me and give it bluntly yet tactfully wtf I am doing wrong. A personal coach or someone who knows what he is doing would be perfect. Money is highly secondary for a solution.

    May 5, 2009:
    To pull the exit plan off, it popped into my mind to just use some booze. I want to do this before I get laid off, for reasons not worth mentioning but don’t seem to have the balls. After the gym, I stopped at Shop N Save and got a fifth of vodka and a small bottle of Jack Daniels. I haven’t had a drink since September 1, 1988, just over 20 years. It doesn’t matter now, I need to use it to take the edge off of carrying out the exit plan. I will be taking some every now and then to get used to it and see if the alcohol effects will embolden me. Weed would be fun to try again. I don’t know who has any. Life is over, who cares? I just need to use common sense, can’t drink and drive, etc. This idea just hit me at a point in time and I immediately acted on it. Same thing happened when I decided to go back to Pitt full time, first day was Monday, May 8, 1989, and to buy the house that closed on Friday, September 30, 1996, to name two examples I remember so well.

    The list idea yesterday is working. I carry it in my wallet and add to it. I am feeling to good to do carry this out, but too bad to enjoy ANYTHING. My life’s dilema.

    May 6, 2009:
    I started the JD. About one ounce with some tea to get me started. No big deal.

    May 7, 2009:
    Went to the gym and did mostly cardio. My heart rate was 117 just from walking on the treadmill at 3.4. This should be done a few times a week for maybe 15 mins or so to keep the heart active. I sprinted a few times to push the limits.

    May 18, 2009:
    I actually had a date today. It was with a woman I met on the bus in March. We got together at Two PPG Place for lunch. The last date for me was May 1, 2008. Women just don’t like me. There are 30 million desirable women in the US (my estimate) and I cannot find one. Not one of them finds me attractive. I am looking at The List I made from my May 4th idea. I forgot about that for several days. That tells me where I stand. These problems have gotten worse over a 30 year period. I need to expect nothing from me or other people. All through the years I thought we had the ability to change ourselves – I guess that is incorrect. Looking at The List makes me realize how TOTALLY ALONE, a deeper word is ISOLATED, I am from all else.
    I no longer have any expectations of myself. I have no options because I cannot work toward and achieve even the smallest goals. That is, ABOVE ALL, what bothers me the most. Not to be able to work towards what I want in my life. I believe I am deserve that. I read recently it is called “self efficacy”, but who knows. Is that more psychobable?

    May 25, 2009:
    I was invited to a picnic, and I went. An older woman there, out of the blue, asked if I liked high school. Then quickly asked if I was picked on very much. Intersting why she would ask that. But, thanks, I already know what the problem is, but a solution eludes me.

    May 29, 2009:
    Another lonely Friday night, I’m done. This is too much.

    June 2, 2009:
    Some people I was talking with believed I date a lot and get around with women. They think this because I showed an email I got from a hot woman to the department gossip, but it didn’t work out. All this is funny. Actually, I haven’t had sex since I was 29 years old, 19 years ago. That’s true.

    June 5, 2009:
    I was reading several posts on different forums and it seems many teenage girls have sex frequently. One 16 year old does it usually three times a day with her boyfriend. So, err, after a month of that, this little hoe has had more sex than ME in my LIFE, and I am 48. One more reason. Thanks for nada, bitches! Bye.

    July 4, 2009:
    Wow, already late evening. I stayed in all day. Can’t believe there was NOTHING to do today. No parties or picnics. WTF. No need to leave now.

    July 20, 2009:
    Been a long time since last write. Everything still sucks. But I got a promotion and a raise, even in this shitty Obama ecomomy. No more grunt programming. Go figure! New boss is great. He tactfully says when you did something wrong or complements on good things. Never confused with him. But that is NOT what I want in life. I guess some of us were simply meant to walk a lonely path. I have slept alone for over 20 years. Last time I slept all night with a girlfriend it was 1982. Proof I am a total malfunction. Girls and women don’t even give me a second look ANYWHERE. There is something BLATANTLY wrong with me that NO goddam person will tell me what it is. Every person just wants to be fucking nice and say nice things to me. Flattery. Oh yeah, I am sure you can get a date anytime. You look good, etc. Pussies.
    Awwww, wait. I can just start being self-righteous and say I live a good, clean life. I am holy, that’s all Rick Knapp stuff. Hear that you mother fucker: I Am Just Good!

    July 23, 2009:

    Wow!!

    I just looked out my front window and saw a beautiful college-age girl leave Bob Fox’s house, across the street. I guess he got a good lay today. College girls are hoez. I masturbate. Frequently. He is about 45 years old. She was a long haired, hot little hottie with a beautiful bod. I masturbate. Frequently. Some were simply meant to walk a lonely path in life. I don’t usually look out, but just happened to notice. Holy fuck. I have masturbated since age 13. Thanks, mum and brother (by blood alone). And dad, old man, for TOTALLY ignoring me through the years. All of you DEEPLY helped me be this way.

    I wish I can go back to 1975 and fix things. Awe, that wont work, big BULLY BROTHER would assert his bull shit. He was twice my size. He never messed with guys bigger than 5’10, or so. He is a PUSSY at heart. Remember, Michael is my brother (we have common parents, that’s all) is still a BOSS. Repetition only for emphasis: HE IS ONLY A BULLY, even at 50ish! Never forget that! Because he exudes confidence. People believe bull shit if delivered WITH CONFIDENCE. Get it??

    On the same thought, things occured to me today. Michael NEVER had an attractive girlfriend. Debbie, Barb, Kim, … then I lost track. Not to say I had any (execpt Pam, who was about a 7.25). He married a Chinese-descent, petite woman with no body, no ass, no chest and no personality. She never laughs or smiles, neither does he. But she is highly intelligent and an excellent cook. I can testify to that! She home bakes her own DELICIOUS wheat bread! But who cares about that type of small bull crap? Mike even mentioned when we were visiting dad that “she’s not very attractive”.

    I don’t know where I am going with this. I am getting tired, feels good to write and get it all out.

    On still another thought, I had 20+ years of sobriety and achieved nothing about friendships, girlfriends, guys, etc. Zilch. What a waste.

    Bye, for today.

    August 2, 2009:
    The biggest problem of all is not having relationships or friends, but not being able to achieve and acquire what I desire in those or many other areas. Everthing stays the same regardless of the effert I put in. If I had control over my life then I would be happier. But for about the past 30 years, I have not

    August 3, 2009:
    I took off today, Monday, and tomorrow to practice my routine and make sure it is well polished. I need to work out every detail, there is only one shot. Also I need to be completely immersed into something before I can be successful. I haven’t had a drink since Friday at about 2:30. Total effort needed. Tomorrow is the big day.

    Unfortunately I talked to my neighbor today, who is very positive and upbeat. I need to remain focused and absorbed COMPLETELY. Last time I tried this, in January, I chickened out. Lets see how this new approach works.

    Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.

    I will try not to add anymore entries because this computer clicking distracts me.

    Also, any of the “Practice Papers” left on my coffee table I used or the notes in my gym bag can be published freely. I will not be embarased, because, well, I will be dead. Some people like to study that stuff. Maybe all this will shed insight on why some people just cannot make things happen in their life, which can potentially benefit others.

    Miscellaneous:

    1. Probably 99% of the people who know me well don’t even think I was this crazy. Told by at least 100 girls/women over the years I was a “nice guy”. Not kidding.

    2. Lee Ann Valdiserri had my baby in early 1991. Haven’t seen her since she was about four months into it. I knew her sister, Chris, from high school.

    3. Net worth slightly more than $250K, (after all debt) as of end of 2008.

    4. Death Lives!

    © 2009 George Sodini


  47. on August 5, 2009 at 12:25 pm mandy been here a while

    Rum

    Prostitution often thrived near monasteries as well.


  48. Game, like democracy, is not a coat you can put on.

    While a lot of men can be marginally helped by concepts you discuss here at this blog, I think, you could no more teach guys like this Game than you can teach it to a dog or a cat. The concept of Game as something that guys like this can learn to get and keep women is so much snake oil.

    Import ten, twenty million nubile, lithe, young women to America and repeal the prohibition on prostitution and it would go a long way towards eliminating these sort of incidents and the anger brewing inside of millions of men like Sodini, not so much because they could get safe, affordable blow jobs, but it would result in the lowering of the bitch shields of millions of women by orders of magnitude if they had to compete with those millions of nubile, lithe, young women.

    Safe, affordable blow jobs. In a society as sex obsessed as America it is spectacularly incongruous that prostitution is illegal, it only makes sense if viewed as a means to make men’s lives miserable.

    Safe, affordable blow jobs.


  49. @ aspargus

    You’re such a fucking idiot. (ban? please?)


  50. on August 5, 2009 at 12:33 pm there you go :

    the site was taken offline alright, here’s his entire blog for you peeps to read :

    George Sodini George Sodini
    Age 48. Age 48.
    DOB 9/30/1960 DOB 9/30/1960
    DOD 8/4/2009 DOD 8/4/2009
    5-10, 155 lbs. 5-10, 155 lbs.
    Never married. Never married.
    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania USA Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania USA
    Me Me

    Why do this? Why do this?? To young girls? To young girls? Just read below. Just read below. I kept a running log that includes my thoughts and actions, after I saw this project was going to drag on. I kept a running log that includes my thoughts and actions, after I saw this project was going to drag on.

    November 5, 2008: November 5, 2008:
    Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. Not like I give a flying FCUK who won, since this was already planned exit plan. Not like I give a flying fcuk who won, since this exit plan was already planned. Good luck to Obama! Good luck to Obama! He will be successful. He will be successful. The liberal media LOVES him. The liberal media LOVES him. America has chosen The Black Man. Amerika has chosen The Black Man. Good! Good! In light of this I got outside ideas or Obama’s plans for the economy and such. In light of this I got ideas outside of Obama’s plans for the economy and such. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl how to hone up on. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl hoe to hone up on. Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Long ago, many a older white male land owner was a young Negro girl Wenche for his desires. Long ago, many a older white male landowner had a young Negro wench girl for his desires. Bout ‘time tables are turned on that shit. Bout’ time tables are turned on that shit. Besides, dem young white sleeves dig da bruthrs! Besides, dem young white hoez dig da bruthrs! LOL. LOL. More so than they dig the white dudes! More so than they dig the white dudes! Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be bangin a bruthr real good. Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be bangin a bruthr real good. I saw it. I saw it. “Not my little girl, daddy says! “Not my little girl”, daddy says! (Yeah right!) Black dudes have Their choice of best white sleeves. (Yeah right!!) Black dudes have thier choice of best white hoez. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so.

    December 22, 2008: December 22, 2008:
    Time is moving along. Time is moving along. Planned to have this done already. Planned to have this done already. I will just keep a running log here as time passes. I will just keep a running log here as time passes. Many of the young girls here look so beautiful as to not be human, very edible. Many of the young girls here look so beautiful as to not be human, very edible. After joining this gym, started lifting weights and like it. After joining this gym, started lifting weights and like it. Much info about weight programs, diet etc on the web. Much info about weight programs, diet etc on the web. Or anything for that matter. Or anything for that matter. Instead of TV I can Google for hours to relax. Instead of TV I can Google for hours to relax. TV and most movies are dull. TV and most movies are dull.

    December 24, 2008: December 24, 2008:
    Moving into Christmas again. Moving into Christmas again. No girlfriend since 1984, last Christmas with Pam was in 1983. No girlfriend since 1984, last Christmas with Pam was in 1983. Who knows why. Who knows why. I am not ugly or too weird. I am not ugly or too weird. No sex since July 1990 either (I was 29). No sex since July 1990 either (I was 29). No shit! No shit! About eighteen years ago. Over eighteen years ago. And did it maybe only 50-75 times in my life. And did it maybe only 50-75 times in my life. Getting to think that a woman would now just, uh, get in the way of things. Getting to think that a woman now would just, uh, get in the way of things. Isolated. Isolated. I have extra money and enjoy traveling, too, wtih my 25-30 days of vacation. I have extra money and enjoy traveling, too, wtih my 25-30 days of vacation. LA was the best! LA was the best! But going alone is not too fun. Invited to a party on Christmas day tomorrow. But going alone is not too fun. Invited to a party on Christmas day tomorrow. Seems about 15-25 people will actually show. Seems about 15-25 people will actually show. I like her parties, I can meet new people and talk. I like her parties; I can meet new people and talk. Got the next 8 days off. Got the next 8 days off. I should have done and practiced exit plan by then. I should have exit plan done and practiced by then. I know nothing will change, no matter how hard I try or what goals I set. I know nothing will change, no matter how hard I try or what goals I set.

    December 28, 2008: December 28, 2008:
    Glad I stayed around. Glad I stayed around. All these days off are great. All these days off are great. I will shoot for Tuesday, January 6, 2009, at maybe 8:15. I will shoot for Tuesday, January 6, 2009, at maybe 8:15. I have to-do list of items to make. I have list of to-do items to make.

    December 29, 2008: December 29, 2008:
    Just got back from tanning, been doing this for a while. Just got back from tanning, been doing this for a while. No gym today, my Sore Elbow is again. No gym today, my elbow is sore again. I actually look good. I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-shave, bath, or touch cologne – yet 30 million women rejected me – about an 18 or 25-year period. I dress good, am clean-shaven, bathe, touch of cologne – yet 30 million women rejected me – over an 18 or 25-year period. That is how I see it. That is how I see it. Thirty million is my rough guesstimate of how many desirable single women there are. Thirty million is my rough guesstimate of how many desirable single women there are. A man needs a woman for confidence. A man needs a woman for confidence. He gets a boost on the job, career, with other people, and everywhere else when inside he knows he has someone to spend the night with and who is also a friend. He gets a boost on the job, career, with other men, and everywhere else when he knows inside he has someone to spend the night with and who is also a friend. This type of life I see is a closed world with me specifically and totally excluded. This type of life I see is a closed world with me specifically and totally excluded. Every other guy does this successfully to a degree. Every other guy does this successfully to a degree. Flying solo for many years is a destroyer. Flying solo for many years is a destroyer. Yet many people say I am easy to get along with, etc. Looking back, I owe nothing to desirable females who ask for anything, except for basic courtesy – usually. Yet many people say I am easy to get along with, etc. Looking back, I owe nothing to desirable females who ask for anything, except for basic courtesy – usually. Looking back on everything, what bother me most is the inability to work towards change whatever I choose. Looking back over everything, what bothers me most is the inability to work towards whatever change I choose.

    December 30, 2008: December 30, 2008:
    While driving I surfed to a radio talk show. While driving I radio surfed to a talk show. The caller was a 30ish black man who was describe the Despair in certain black communities. The caller was a 30ish black man who was describing the despair in certain black communities. According to him, life is cheap there because you are going to die anyway when you get old. According to him, life is cheap there because you are going to die anyway when you get old. It is the quality of life that is important, he said. It is the quality of life that is important, he said. If you know the past 40 years were crappy, why live another 30 years then that crappy? If you know the past 40 years were crappy, why live another 30 crappy years then die? His point was they engage in dangerous behavior which tend to short the life pans, to die now and avoid the crappy next 30 years, using my example. His point was they engage in dangerous behavior which tends to shorten the lifespans, to die now and avoid the next 30 crappy years, using my example. The host got Sarcastic and ended the call instead of trying understanding his point. The host got sarcastic and ended the call instead of trying understanding his point. Agreement was not necesary. Agreement wasn’t necesary. I put music back on. I put music back on. But it was an interesting, and useful point for me to hear. But it was an interesting, and useful point for me to hear.

    December 31, 2008: December 31, 2008:
    My anger and rage is largely gone since I began lifting weights. My anger and rage is largely gone since I began lifting weights. Lifting drains me but I still have energy. Lifting drains me but I still have energy. Somebody else suggested running but that did not help me. Somebody else suggested running but that did not help me. I guess strenuous exercise is necesary for a man. I guess strenuous exercise is necesary for a man. So I just learned that now at 48. So I just learned that now at 48. Maybe 30 years later than I would have liked. Maybe 30 years later than I would have liked. My dad never (not once) talked to me or asked about my life’s details and tell me what he knew. My dad never (not once) talked to me or asked about my life’s details and tell me what he knew. He was just a useless sperm donation. He was just a useless sperm doner. Do not know why, find it fun talking to young kids when I visit someone. Don’t know why, find it fun talking to young kids when I visit someone. Brother was actually counter-productive and would try to discourage me or embarase my efferts when persuing things, esp girls early on (teen years). Brother was actually counter-productive and would try to embarase me or discourage my efferts when persuing things, esp girls early on (teen years). Useless Bully. Useless bully. Result is I am learning basics by trial and error in my 40s, followed by discuragement. Result is I am learning basics by trial and error in my 40s, followed by discuragement. Seems odd, but thats true. Seems odd, but thats true. Writing all this is helping me justify my plan and to see the futility of continuing. Writing all this is helping me justify my plan and to see the futility of continuing. Too embarassed to tell anyone this, at almost 50 one is expected to just know these things. Too embarassed to tell anyone this, at almost 50 one is expected to just know these things.
    I hope it does not snow on Tuesday. I hope it doesn’t snow on Tuesday. Just thought of that. Just thought of that. The crowd will be thin so I would postpone. The crowd will be thin so I would postpone. Shit! Shit!

    Now that I am on the topic of family and people I know, I might as well make a summary of sorts to show where things stand. Now that I am on the topic of family and people I know, I might as well make a summary of sorts to show where things stand. This is New Years Eve I have time, no date tonight of course, so: This is New Years Eve I have time, no date tonight of course, so:

    Honorable mention: Honorable mention:

    Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA – “Be Ye Holy, even as I have been Ye holy! Saithe Thus the Lord thy God!”, As pastor Rick Knapp would proclaim. Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA – “Be Ye Holy, even as I have been Ye holy! Thus saith the lord thy God!”, as pastor Rick Knapp would proclaim. Holy shit, religion is a waste. Holy shit, religion is a waste. But this guy teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder then still go to heaven. But this guy teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder then still go to heaven. Ask him. Ask him. Call him at (724) 325-2655. Call him at (724) 325-2655. If no answer there, he should still live at 439 9th Street, Oakmont, PA 15139. If no answer there, he should still live at 439 9th Street, Oakmont, PA 15139. In any case, Guilt and fear kept me there 13 long years until Nov 2006. In any case, guilt and fear kept me there 13 long years until Nov 2006. I think his crap did the most damage. I think his crap did the most damage. Their web site: http://www.tetelestai.org. Their web site: http://www.tetelestai.org.

    Mum – The Boss Central. Mum – The Central Boss. 717 High View Road, PGH PA 15234. 717 Highview Road, Pgh PA 15234. Do not piss her off or she will be mad and Vindictive for years. Don’t piss her off or she will be mad and vindictive for years. She actually thinks she’s normal. She actually thinks she’s normal. Very dominant. Very dominant. Her only way and her way with no flexibility toward everyone in the household. Her way and only her way with no flexibility toward everyone in the household. A power and control thing. A power and control thing. People outside the immediate family like her. People outside the immediate family like her. Why are people viciously with their closest ones? Why are people vicious with their closest ones? She is the Boss above all other Bosses. She is the Boss above all other Bosses.

    Michael Sodini – A Boss, my brother (Mike Sodini) 216 Horseshoe Dr, Mars PA – Always the Big Bully, twice the size of most others. Michael Sodini – A Boss, my brother (Mike Sodini) 216 Horseshoe Dr, Mars PA – Always the big bully, twice the size of most others. When he bullied or harassed someone, it was the other person who “deserved it”. When he bullied or harassed someone, it was the other person who “deserved it”. It was always about him. It was always about him. Way to self-absorbed, too. Way to self absorbed, too. Still is. Still is. Used to like to Embarrassing guys in front of their girl friends. Used to like to embarrass guys in front of their girlfriends. Lots of other shit. Lots of other shit. Kind of guy you actually loved to hate. Kind of guy you actually loved to hate. The biggest, most self-centered jagoff I know. The biggest, most self-centered jagoff I know. Bullying He took those skills into the business world and is doing good Financially. He took those bullying “skills” into the business world and is doing good financially. He is a big wheel only in his mind. He is a big wheel only in his mind. Most people can see through all his manipulation. Most people can see thru all his manipulation. He only calls when he wants something. He calls only when he wants something.

    Sherry – sister – More of a victim than anything. Sherry – sister – More of a victim than anything. Copes by exercising much control over her adult children. Copes by exercising much control over her adult children. We used to be close until her control of L & D caused a conflict. We used to be close until her control of L & D caused a conflict. Never the same after. Never the same after.

    David – neph, sis’s son (girlfriend Mallory Squires). David – neph, sis’s son (girlfriend Mallory Squires). Good young guy, though. Good young guy, though.

    Lisa – niece, sis’s daught. Lisa – niece, sis’s daught. Attractive, smart, emotional – all good qualities YW. Attractive, smart, emotional – all good YW qualities.

    Idiots: Idiots:

    Andy Pulkowski – I have been in barr uncles and church groups. Andy Pulkowski – I have been in barrooms and church groups. The worst people by far are the religious types. The worst people by far are the religious types. Especially a right-wing, prim-faced fundie like Andy. Especially a right-wing, stiff-faced fundie like Andy. A condescending, demeaning, passive aggresive person. A condescending, demeaning, passive-aggresive person. Frigid, rigid, linear and totally inflexible. Frigid, rigid, linear and totally inflexible. Being a very serious person, he can not hide his frown-lined face. Being a very serious person, he cannot hide his frown-lined face. He better not try to smile, lest his face might crack. He better not try to smile; lest his face might crack. I knew Children of parents who grew up in strict religious homes. I knew children of parents who grew up in strict religious homes. Religion has a certain stink to it or Guilt, shame, fear, and that moral standard that always contradicts the natural tendencies and desires of a person. Religion has a certain stink to it of guilt, shame, fear, and that moral standard that always contradicts the natural tendencies and desires of a person. Therin lies the conflict. Therin lies the conflict. Young person can not experiment with things to decide on their own and establish their own parameters. Young person cannot experiment with things to decide on their own and establish their own parameters. So they tend to cut loose and really rebel much worse than the average young person. So they tend to cut loose and really rebel much worse than the average young person. Ma and Pa never know what goes on. Ma and Pa never know what goes on. They easily BS their parents because they want to believe their little one is an angel. They easily BS their parents because they want to believe their little one is an angel. Andy has a young daughter Bethany Pulkowski away at college, High Point University. Andy has a young daughter Bethany Pulkowski away at college, High Point University. I saw her picture on his desk. I saw her picture on his desk. She’s your basic, attractive, young girl. She’s your basic, attractive, young girl. Please reread my entry made on Nov 5th. Please reread my entry made on Nov 5th. That’s only one thing she can do. That’s only one thing she can do. Andy types out there you need to further strengthen your resolve and strictly do more of the same thing! You Andy types out there need to further strengthen your strict resolve and do more of the same thing! Because those girls were great when I recall my college years! Because those girls were great when I recall my college years! She is someone’s (or many guy’s) little way now, I am sure. She is someone’s (or many guy’s) little hoe now, I am sure.

    Another point about andy. Another point about andy. How can someone be cold, vicious, Sarcastic and generally nasty ALL THE TIME and then make the claim about their church life and how good they are? How can someone be cold, vicious, sarcastic and generally nasty ALL THE TIME and then make the claim about their church life and how good they are? Total hypo critical idiots. Total hypocritical idiots.

    That’s all for now. That’s all for now. That felt good. That felt good.

    Let’s continue … Let’s continue…

    January 5, 2009: January 5, 2009:
    Was at the gym to lift. Was at the gym to lift. Very crowded. Very crowded. Tomorrow should be good. Tomorrow should be good. There is a woman there that gives me a certain look every time I am there. There is a woman there that gives me a certain look every time I am there. I decided to walk over and make a comment about the crowds but she left when I finished the exercise. I decided to walk over and make a comment about the crowds but she left when I finished the exercise. Better that I do not get sidetracked from tomorrow’s plan anyways. Better that I do not get sidetracked from tomorrow’s plan anyways. Life is just playing games. Life is just playing games. One or two dates with her, then the end. One or two dates with her, then the end. No matter how many changes I try to make, things stay the same. No matter how many changes I try to make, things stay the same. Every evening I am alone, and then go to bed alone. Every evening I am alone, and then go to bed alone. Young women were brutal when I was younger, now they are not as much, probably because they just see me as just another old man. Young women were brutal when I was younger, now they aren’t as much, probably because they just see me just as another old man.
    I see twenty something couples everywhere. I see twenty something couples everywhere. I see a twenty something guy with a nice twentyish young women. I see a twenty something guy with a nice twentyish young women. I think those years Slipped right by for me. I think those years slipped right by for me. Why should I continue another 20 + years alone? Why should I continue another 20+ years alone? I will just work, come home, eat, maybe do something, then go to bed (alone) for the next day or the same thing. I will just work, come home, eat, maybe do something, then go to bed (alone) for the next day of the same thing. This is the Auschwitz Syndrome, to be in serious pain so long one thinks it is normal. This is the Auschwitz Syndrome, to be in serious pain so long one thinks it is normal. I can not wait for tomorrow! I cannot wait for tomorrow!

    January 6, 2009: January 6, 2009:
    I can do this. I can do this. Leaving work today, I felt like a zombie – just going through the motions. Leaving work today, I felt like a zombie – just going thru the motions. Get on the bus, get the car, drive home ….. My mind is screwed up anymore, I can not concentrate at work or think at all. Get on the bus, get the car, drive home…..My mind is screwed up anymore, I can’t concentrate at work or think at all.
    This log is not detailed. This log is not detailed. It is only for confidence to do this. It is only for confidence to do this. The future holds even less than what I have today. The future holds even less than what I have today.
    It is 6:40 pm, about hour and a half to go. It is 6:40pm, about hour and a half to go. God have mercy. God have mercy. I wish life could be better for all and the crazy world can somehow run smoother. I wish life could be better for all and the crazy world can somehow run smoother. I wish I had answers. Bye. I wish I had answers. Bye.

    It is 8:45 PM: I chickened out! It is 8:45PM: I chickened out! Shit! Shit! I brought the loaded guns, everything. I brought the loaded guns, everything. Hell! Hell!

    April 24, 2009: April 24, 2009:
    Early last month, we had our second general layoff. Early last month, we had our second general layoff. I survived. I survived. First one was in November. First one was in November. When I began 10 years ago, that used to be a nice place to work. When I began 10 years ago, that used to be a nice place to work. I understand the need to reduce staff when times sour, but this is out of proportion to the economic problems at this time. I understand the need to reduce staff when times sour, but this is out of proportion to the economic problems at this time. The economy is shrinking by about 4-5%. The economy is shrinking by about 4-5%. They decided not to pay Christmas bonus – for staff that amounts to about 8% of yearly pay. They decided not to pay Christmas bonus – for staff that amounts to about 8% of yearly pay. Well, OK. Well, OK. Plus no yearly “merit” raise, another 3.5%. Plus no yearly “merit” raise, another 3.5%. That totals to about 11% cut. That totals to about 11% cut. Plus two staff layoffs or 5% in each case. Plus two layoffs of 5% staff in each case. Do the math. Do the math. I know this firm is using this downturn as an excuse to take advanage of a bad situation and kill jobs UNNECESSARILY. I know this firm is using this downturn as an excuse to take advanage of a bad situation and kill jobs UNNECESSARILY. The second layoff people who actually did work were let go. The second layoff people who actually did work were let go. We all need to pick up the Slack so the company can cut beyond what is necesary. We all need to pick up the slack so the company can cut beyond what is necesary. Was not going to mention it, because of all this shit, it is K & L Gates, the large law firm headquarters here in Pittsburgh. Wasn’t going to mention it, because of all this shit, it is K&L Gates, the large law firm headquartered here in Pittsburgh. Just call it K & L Gates Corporation. Just call it K&L Gates Corporation. Most people there are OK and I would never have a shoot ’em up there. Most people there are OK and I would never have a shoot ’em up there. They paid me for 10 years, so far! They paid me for 10 years, so far!

    I Predict I will not survive the next layoff. I predict I won’t survive the next layoff. That is when there is no point to continue. That is when there is no point to continue. Right now, life is able bear and I can get by indefinitely. RIght now, life is bearable and I can get by indefinitely. Something bad must happen. Something bad must happen. The paycheck is all I have left. The paycheck is all I have left. The future holds nothing for me. The future holds nothing for me. Twenty five years of nothing fun. Twenty five years of nothing fun. I never even spent one weekend with a girl in my life, even at my own place. I never even spent one weekend with a girl in my life, even at my own place. Also unlikely to find another similar job. Also unlikely to find another similar job. I guess then is when I take care of things. I guess then is when I take care of things. I do not have kids, close friends or anything. I don’t have kids, close friends or anything. Just me here. Just me here. If you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. If you have nothing, you have nothing to lose.

    I enjoy writing these entries, I have no plans to go back and edit or even read most stuff already written. I enjoy writing these entries, I have no plans to go back and edit or even read most stuff already written. If you get bored, just click that “x” at the top, right corner of your browser. If you get bored, just click that “x” at the top, right corner of your browser. Bye. Bye.

    May 4, 2009: May 4, 2009:
    I was so eager to do this last year. I was so eager to do this last year. The big problem on my mind now is that my job will end soon. The big problem on my mind now is that my job will end soon. One project is being transistioned to another. One project is being transistioned to another. The other one I am solely responsible, but is being fast tracked to production. The other one I am solely responsible, but is being fast tracked to production. I estimate maybe a month. I estimate maybe a month. I am not ready for the job market. I am not ready for the job market. I am ok what I do, please. NET software developer. I am ok what I do, a .NET software developer. Not at the top of the class, but I do a good job. Not at the top of the class, but I do a good job. I survived two layoffs and other general layoffs they are having little but keeping quiet about. I survived two general layoffs and other little layoffs they are having but keeping quiet about. I hear things. I hear things.

    The problem is I feel too good now to do this but too bad to enjoy life. The problem is I feel too good now to do this but too bad to enjoy life. I know I will never enjoy life. I know I will never enjoy life. This is an 30 year trend. This is an over 30 year trend. Some people are happy, some are miserable. Some people are happy, some are miserable. It is difficult to live almost continuously feeling an under current of fear, worry, discontent ment and help less ness. It is difficult to live almost continuously feeling an undercurrent of fear, worry, discontentment and helplessness. I can talk and joke around and sound happy but under it all is something different that seems unchangable and a permanent part of my being. I can talk and joke around and sound happy but under it all is something different that seems unchangable and a permanent part of my being. I need to realize the details of what I accomplished in life and never to be convinced the future is merely a continuation of the past – WHICH IT ALWAYS has been. I need to realize the details of what I never accomplished in life and to be convinced the future is merely a continuation of the past – WHICH IT ALWAYS has been. I am making a list of items that will provide motivation to do the exit plan, it will not be published. I am making a list of items that will provide motivation to do the exit plan, it won’t be published. I always had hope that maybe things will improve especially if I make big attempts to change my life. I always had hope that maybe things will improve especially if I make big attempts to change my life. I made many big changes in the past two years but everything is still the same. I made many big changes in the past two years but everything is still the same. Life is over. Life is over. Even though I look good, dress well, well groomed – nails, teeth, hair, etc. Who knows. Even though I look good, dress well, well groomed – nails, teeth, hair, etc. Who knows.

    What is it like to be dead? What is it like to be dead? I always think I am forgetting something, that’s one reason I postponed. I always think I am forgetting something, that’s one reason I postponed. Similar to when you leave to get in your car to go somewhere – you hesitate with a thought: “what am I forgetting?”. Similar to when you leave to get in your car to go somewhere – you hesitate with a thought: “what am I forgetting?”. In this case, I can not make a return trip! In this case, I cannot make a return trip!

    I like to write and talk. I like to write and talk. Ironic because I have with anybody recently (past 30 years) who I want to be close friends with or who want to be close friends with me. Ironic because I haven’t met anybody recently (past 30 years) who I want to be close friends with OR who want to be close friends with me. I was always open to suggestions to what I am doing wrong, no brother or father (mine are useless) or close friend to nudge me and give it bluntly yet fully tact wtf I am doing wrong. I was always open to suggestions to what I am doing wrong, no brother or father (mine are useless) or close friend to nudge me and give it bluntly yet tactfully wtf I am doing wrong. A personal coach or someone who knows what he is doing would be perfect. A personal coach or someone who knows what he is doing would be perfect. Money is highly secondary for a solution. Money is highly secondary for a solution.

    May 5, 2009: May 5, 2009:
    To pull off the exit plan, it popped into my mind to just use some booze. To pull the exit plan off, it popped into my mind to just use some booze. I want to do this before I get laid off, for reasons not worth mentioning but do not seem to have the balls. I want to do this before I get laid off, for reasons not worth mentioning but don’t seem to have the balls. After the gym, I stopped at Shop N Save and got a fifth of vodka and a small bottle of Jack Daniels. After the gym, I stopped at Shop N Save and got a fifth of vodka and a small bottle of Jack Daniels. I have not had a drink since September 1, 1988, just over 20 years. I haven’t had a drink since September 1, 1988, just over 20 years. It does not matter now, I need to use it to take off The Edge or carrying out the exit plan. It doesn’t matter now, I need to use it to take the edge off of carrying out the exit plan. I will be taking some every now and then to get used to it and see if the alcohol effects will embolden me. I will be taking some every now and then to get used to it and see if the alcohol effects will embolden me. Weed would be fun to try again. Weed would be fun to try again. I do not know who has any. I don’t know who has any. Life is over, who cares? Life is over, who cares? I just need to use common sense, can not drink and drive, etc. This idea just hit me at a point in time and I immediately ACTED on it. I just need to use common sense, can’t drink and drive, etc. This idea just hit me at a point in time and I immediately acted on it. Same thing happened when I decided to go back to Pitt full-time, first day was Monday, May 8, 1989, and to buy the house that closed on Friday, September 30, 1996, to name two examples I remember so well. Same thing happened when I decided to go back to Pitt full time, first day was Monday, May 8, 1989, and to buy the house that closed on Friday, September 30, 1996, to name two examples I remember so well.

    The list idea is working yesterday. The list idea yesterday is working. I carry it in my wallet and add to it. I carry it in my wallet and add to it. I am feeling good to do to carry this out, but too bad to enjoy ANYTHING. I am feeling to good to do carry this out, but too bad to enjoy ANYTHING. My life’s Dilema. My life’s dilema.

    May 6, 2009: May 6, 2009:
    I started the JD. I started the JD. About one ounce with some tea to get me started. About one ounce with some tea to get me started. No big deal. No big deal.

    May 7, 2009: May 7, 2009:
    Went to the gym and did mostly cardio. Went to the gym and did mostly cardio. My heart rate was 117 just from walking on the treadmill at 3.4. My heart rate was 117 just from walking on the treadmill at 3.4. This should be done a few times a week for maybe 15 mins or so to keep the center active. This should be done a few times a week for maybe 15 mins or so to keep the heart active. I sprinted a few times to push the limits. I sprinted a few times to push the limits.

    May 18, 2009: May 18, 2009:
    I actually had a date today. I actually had a date today. It was with a woman I on the bus in March. It was with a woman I met on the bus in March. We got together at Two PPG Place for lunch. We got together at Two PPG Place for lunch. The last date for me was May 1, 2008. The last date for me was May 1, 2008. Women just do not like me. Women just don’t like me. There are 30 million desirable women in the U.S. (my estimate) and I can not find one. There are 30 million desirable women in the US (my estimate) and I cannot find one. Not one of them finds me attractive. Not one of them finds me attractive. I am looking at the list I made from my May 4th idea. I am looking at The List I made from my May 4th idea. I forgot about that for several days. I forgot about that for several days. That tells me where I stand. That tells me where I stand. These problems have gotten worse over a 30 year period. These problems have gotten worse over a 30 year period. I need to expect nothing from me or other people. I need to expect nothing from me or other people. All through the years I thought we had the ability to change ourselves – I guess that is incorrect. All through the years I thought we had the ability to change ourselves – I guess that is incorrect. Looking at The List makes me realize how TOTALLY ALONE, a deeper word is isolated, I am from all else. Looking at The List makes me realize how TOTALLY ALONE, a deeper word is ISOLATED, I am from all else.
    I no longer have any expectations of myself. I no longer have any expectations of myself. I have no options because I can not work toward and achieve even the smallest goals. I have no options because I cannot work toward and achieve even the smallest goals. That is, ABOVE ALL, what bother me the most. That is, ABOVE ALL, what bothers me the most. Not to be able to work towards what I want in my life. Not to be able to work towards what I want in my life. I am believe I deserve that. I believe I am deserve that. I read recently it is called “self efficacy”, but who knows. I read recently it is called “self efficacy”, but who knows. Is that more psychobable? Is that more psychobable?

    May 25, 2009: May 25, 2009:
    I was invited to a picnic, and I went. I was invited to a picnic, and I went. An older woman there, out of the blue, asked if I liked high school. An older woman there, out of the blue, asked if I liked high school. Then quickly asked if I was picked on very much. Then quickly asked if I was picked on very much. Intersting why she would ask that. Intersting why she would ask that. But, thanks, I already know what the problem is, but a solution eludes me. But, thanks, I already know what the problem is, but a solution eludes me.

    May 29, 2009: May 29, 2009:
    Another lonely Friday night, I’m done. Another lonely Friday night, I’m done. This is too much. This is too much.

    June 2, 2009: June 2, 2009:
    Some people believed I was talking with I date a lot and get around with women. Some people I was talking with believed I date a lot and get around with women. They think this because I showed I got an email from a hot woman to the department gossip, but it did not work out. They think this because I showed an email I got from a hot woman to the department gossip, but it didn’t work out. All this is funny. All this is funny. Actually, I have not had sex since I was 29 years old, 19 years ago. Actually, I haven’t had sex since I was 29 years old, 19 years ago. That’s true. That’s true.

    June 5, 2009: June 5, 2009:
    I was reading several posts on different forums and it seems many teenage girls have sex frequently. I was reading several posts on different forums and it seems many teenage girls have sex frequently. One 16 year old does it usually three times a day with her boyfriend. One 16 year old does it usually three times a day with her boyfriend. So, err, after a month of that, how little this has had more sex than me in my LIFE, and I am 48. So, err, after a month of that, this little hoe has had more sex than ME in my LIFE, and I am 48. One more reason. One more reason. Thanks for nada, bitches! Thanks for nada, bitches! Bye. Bye.

    July 4, 2009: July 4, 2009:
    Wow, already late evening. Wow, already late evening. I stayed in all day. I stayed in all day. Can not believe there was NOTHING to do today. Can’t believe there was NOTHING to do today. No parties or picnics. No parties or picnics. WTF. WTF. No need to leave now. No need to leave now.

    July 20, 2009: July 20, 2009:
    Been a long time since last write. Been a long time since last write. Everything still sucks. Everything still sucks. But I got a promotion and a raise, even in this shitty Obama ecomomy. But I got a promotion and a raise, even in this shitty Obama ecomomy. No more grunt programming. No more grunt programming. Go figure! Go figure! New boss is great. New boss is great. Tact fully when he says you did something wrong or compléments on good things. He tactfully says when you did something wrong or complements on good things. Never confused with him. Never confused with him. But that is NOT what I want in life. But that is NOT what I want in life. I guess some of us were simply meant to walk a lonely path. I guess some of us were simply meant to walk a lonely path. I have slept alone for over 20 years. Last time I slept all night with a girlfriend it was 1982. I have slept alone for over 20 years. Last time I slept all night with a girlfriend it was 1982 . Proof I am a total malfunctioning. Proof I am a total malfunction. Girls and women do not even give me a second look ANYWHERE. Girls and women don’t even give me a second look ANYWHERE. There is something wrong with me BLATANTLY NO Goddam that person will tell me what it is. There is something BLATANTLY wrong with me that NO goddam person will tell me what it is. Every person just wants to be fucking nice and say nice things to me. Every person just wants to be fucking nice and say nice things to me. Flattery. Flattery. Oh yeah, I am sure you can get a date anytime. Oh yeah, I am sure you can get a date anytime. You look good, etc. Pussies. You look good, etc. Pussies.
    Awwww, wait. Awwww, wait. I can just start being self-Righteous and say I live a good, clean life. I can just start being self-righteous and say I live a good, clean life. I am holy, that’s all Rick Knapp stuff. I am holy, that’s all Rick Knapp stuff. Hear that you mother fucker: I Am Just Good! Hear that you mother fucker: I Am Just Good!

    July 23, 2009: July 23, 2009:

    Wow! Wow!!

    I just looked out my front window and saw a beautiful college-age girl leave Bob Fox’s house, across the street. I just looked out my front window and saw a beautiful college-age girl leave Bob Fox’s house, across the street. I guess he got a good layout today. I guess he got a good lay today. College girls are covers. College girls are hoez. I masturbating. I masturbate. Frequently. Frequently. He is about 45 years old. He is about 45 years old. She was a long haired, hot little hottie with a beautiful bod. She was a long haired, hot little hottie with a beautiful bod. I masturbating. I masturbate. Frequently. Frequently. Some were simply meant to walk a lonely path in life. Some were simply meant to walk a lonely path in life. I do not usually look out, but just happened to notice. I don’t usually look out, but just happened to notice. Holy fuck. Holy fuck. I have masturbated since age 13. I have masturbated since age 13. Thanks, mum and brother (by blood alone). Thanks, mum and brother (by blood alone). And dad, old man, for TOTALLY ignore me through the years. And dad, old man, for TOTALLY ignoring me through the years. Deeply All of you helped me be this way. All of you DEEPLY helped me be this way.

    I wish I can go back to 1975 and fix things. I wish I can go back to 1975 and fix things. Awe, that wont work, Big Brother Bully would assert his bull shit. Awe, that wont work, big BULLY BROTHER would assert his bull shit. He was twice my size. He was twice my size. He never messed with guys bigger than 5’10, or so. He never messed with guys bigger than 5’10, or so. He is a pussy at heart. He is a PUSSY at heart. Remember, Michael is my brother (we have common parents, that’s all) is still a BOSS. Remember, Michael is my brother (we have common parents, that’s all) is still a BOSS. Repetition for emphasis only: HE IS ONLY A Bully, even at 50ish! Repetition only for emphasis: HE IS ONLY A BULLY, even at 50ish! Never forget that! Never forget that! Because he exudes confidence. Because he exudes confidence. People believe bull shit if delivered with confidence. People believe bull shit if delivered WITH CONFIDENCE. Get it? Get it??

    On the same thought, things occurred to me today. On the same thought, things occured to me today. Michael NEVER had an attractive girlfriend. Michael NEVER had an attractive girlfriend. Debbie, Barb, Kim, … Debbie, Barb, Kim, … then I lost track. then I lost track. Not to say I had any (execpt Pam, who was about a 7.25). Not to say I had any (execpt Pam, who was about a 7.25). He married a Chinese-descent, petite woman with no body, no ass, no chest and no personality. He married a Chinese-descent, petite woman with no body, no ass, no chest and no personality. She never laughs or smiles, neither does he. She never laughs or smiles, neither does he. But she is highly intelligent and an excellent cook. But she is highly intelligent and an excellent cook. I can testify to that! I can testify to that! She bakes her own home DELICIOUS wheat bread! She home bakes her own DELICIOUS wheat bread! But who cares about that type of small bull crap? But who cares about that type of small bull crap? Mike even mentioned when we were visiting dad that “she’s not very attractive.” Mike even mentioned when we were visiting dad that “she’s not very attractive”.

    I do not know where I am going with this. I don’t know where I am going with this. I am getting tired, feels good to write and get it all out. I am getting tired, feels good to write and get it all out.

    On still another thought, I had 20 + years of Sobriety and achieved nothing about friendships, girlfriends, guys, etc. Zilch. On still another thought, I had 20+ years of sobriety and achieved nothing about friendships, girlfriends, guys, etc. Zilch. What a waste. What a waste.

    Bye, for today. Bye, for today.

    August 2, 2009: August 2, 2009:
    The biggest problem of all is not having relationships or friends, but not being able to achieve and acquire what I desire in those or many other areas. The biggest problem of all is not having relationships or friends, but not being able to achieve and acquire what I desire in those or many other areas. Everthing stays the same regardless of the effert I put in. Everthing stays the same regardless of the effert I put in. If I had control over my life then I would be happier. If I had control over my life then I would be happier. But for about the past 30 years, I have not But for about the past 30 years, I have not

    August 3, 2009: August 3, 2009:
    I took off today, Monday, and tomorrow to practice my routine and make sure it is well polished. I took off today, Monday, and tomorrow to practice my routine and make sure it is well polished. I need to work out every detail, there is only one shot. I need to work out every detail, there is only one shot. Also I need to be completely Immersed into something before I can be successful. Also I need to be completely immersed into something before I can be successful. I have not had a drink since Friday at about 2:30. I haven’t had a drink since Friday at about 2:30. Total effort needed. Total effort needed. Tomorrow is the big day. Tomorrow is the big day.

    Unfortunately I talked to my neighbor today, who is very positive and upbeat. Unfortunately I talked to my neighbor today, who is very positive and upbeat. I need to remain focused and absorbed completely. I need to remain focused and absorbed COMPLETELY. Last time I tried this, in January, I chickened out. Last time I tried this, in January, I chickened out. Lets see how this new approach works. Lets see how this new approach works.

    Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for every sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.

    I will try not to add anymore entries because this computer clicking distracts me. I will try not to add anymore entries because this computer clicking distracts me.

    Also, any of the “Practice Papers” left on my coffee table or the notes I used in my gym bag can be published freely. Also, any of the “Practice Papers” left on my coffee table I used or the notes in my gym bag can be published freely. I will not be embarased, because, well, I will be dead. I will not be embarased, because, well, I will be dead. Some people like to study that stuff. Some people like to study that stuff. Maybe all this will shed insight on why some people just can not make things happen in their life, which can potentially benefit others. Maybe all this will shed insight on why some people just cannot make things happen in their life, which can potentially benefit others.

    Miscellaneous: Miscellaneous:

    1. 1. Probably 99% of the people who know me well do not even think I was this crazy. Probably 99% of the people who know me well don’t even think I was this crazy. Told by at least 100 girls / women over the years I was a “nice guy”. Told by at least 100 girls/women over the years I was a “nice guy”. Not kidding. Not kidding.

    2. 2. Lee Ann Valdiserri had my baby in early 1991. Lee Ann Valdiserri had my baby in early 1991. Have not seen her since she was about four months into it. Haven’t seen her since she was about four months into it. I knew her sister, Chris, from high school. I knew her sister, Chris, from high school.

    3. 3. Net worth slightly more than $ 250K, (after all debt) as of end of 2008. Net worth slightly more than $250K, (after all debt) as of end of 2008.

    4. 4. Death Lives! Death Lives!

    © 2009 George Sodini © 2009 George Sodini
    This should not be taken off the web. This should not be taken off the web. It is obviously my view and opinion. It is obviously my view and opinion.
    Reproductions this as you wish, in its entirity. Reproduce this as you wish, in its entirity.
    ** Copy this to usenet / news groups where my voice will speak forever! ** **Copy this to usenet/newsgroups where my voice will speak forever!**
    Do not modify it, you can correct my spelling errors, I used WordPad. Don’t modify it, you can correct my spelling errors, I used WordPad.
    Unless the names are legally required to be blotted out, then fine. Unless the names are required legally to be blotted out, then fine. Thanks. Thanks.

    Maybe all this will shed insight on why some people just can not make things happen in their life, which can potentially benefit others.


  51. on August 5, 2009 at 12:34 pm mandy been here a while

    Subcomandante Dave

    I agree.

    Someone in the Middle Ages (Mann maybe?) said that “Prostitution is like Sewers in the city. Society doesn’t function well without either.” (I’m paraphrasing a little)

    Many feminists are in fact in favor of prostitution. So much so they would prefer all sex be of the paid for variety. I think that is the philosophy underlying the child support and alimony system.


  52. “Rum

    Hansen

    The weird thing about the catholic priestly mindset of “celibacy” is that the main concern seemed to be about the need to avoid healthy sexuality with adult, enthusiastic women. Terrified little boys apparently were not so problematic.”

    Rum, the statistics prove otherwise. The rates of sexual molestation amongst the catholic clergy is lower in comparison to other areas of society where children are handled.

    There is a very strong meme in society against any kind of real celibacy, and the catholic clergy are of course a source of cognitive dissonance wich makes any crime amongst their kind a natural target of media coverage. Women are often very agitated against the idea of sexual transformation in a man.

    That said, somwhere in the sixties the clergy changed some doctrines, among one they abandoned the idea of no-stimulation, a bad idea for anyone adhering to celibacy.


  53. Rome82:

    Arpagus: calling this loser beta a hero? A guy who isn’t laid in 20 years and kills a bunch of women who are doing the right thing by attempting to get fit and attractive?

    I am calling him a hero for being a symbol for the consequences of denying men sex, not for killing those women. Obviously they didn’t personally deserve it. But something like this has to happen, perhaps hundreds of times over again, before feminists get the message. As Bhetti observed, it can easily go the other way and create more anti-male sentiment instead. There probably won’t be much sympathy, but maybe fear. From reading his blog it is so clear-cut that celibacy was the problem. (No wonder it has been taken down.) And even fear of the “nice guy” is an improvement. Fear can cause social change even if sexually frustrated men always will be met with the attitude that they don’t deserve to get laid and are basically human garbage as Bhetti believes.

    I know the feminist media will try to emphasize his other issues and downplay the sexual frustration. Even so, his other issues mostly seem to result from an absent father (who was just a “sperm donor” in his words), and that is not supposed to be a problem according to the feminists either. So either way this is good press for the MRA movement.


  54. Ghost of Nicole.

    Women will never get this. “Respect” of any kind means less than nothing if your fate is to stand to the side while watching other men fuck attractive women.
    I stand by my comment to Bhetti. The problem is not that some men will never get laid, the problem is that those men are in the same small room as the men and women who are getting laid.


  55. @Hansen:

    “Wether chosen or not, the way to deal with the situation is the same. The path of the celibate man is one that yhas been walked for eons.

    So if you are non-eligible, you have to deal with the frustration. Either you learn game and deal with your frustration that way, or you learn transmutation.

    Being in unvoluntary singlehood and saturating ones neural pathways with pornography will only reinforce the reasons one is single in the first way, and will also remove any fruitfull spiritual gains from singlehood.”
    I hear you. As has been stated numerous times before (by Roissy and others) that porn and prostitutes is not the same as sex from a woman who loves you.

    If I butchered that meaning guys, feel free to shout at me.

    And I know this doesn’t have to do with game, but does anyone else worry about the impact this incident might have on our freedom of speech through the internet? I know of similar cases in which free speech was almost restricted on the internet (a University student wrote a graphic story about killing a girl in one of his classes and published it online; another one involved a website in which a man gave advice on how to pick up girls ages 10 and under for pedophiles) but they were overridden because the perpetrator actually didn’t commit any of these crimes.

    Now that this man is admitting to all this on a blog and actually carrying through with it, I wonder if things are going to be taken more seriously.


  56. Rome82,
    As I said above, I’ve yet to actually read the reportage on Sodini himself, so his alleged remarks about Black Men is news to me. Still, in a way its kinda irrelevant, just like when Harris & Klebold talked about getting back at the Black atheletes at Colombine. The issue ain’t Black folks here, its what happens when Men are seperated for long periods of time away from Women emotionally, socially and sexually. Whiskey is right in many ways-get ready for Lord of The Flies Reloaded.

    O


  57. If Madras ran a site like ours, he would understand the magnitude of the problem with a quick look at our email inboxes.

    A very large percentage of guys have trouble getting laid consistently.


  58. No surprise, I disagree with Bhetti and Roissy.

    I think every man DOES deserve to get laid.

    For every nerdy, smelly, fat, or otherwise socially undesirable man out there, there is an equally unattractive woman walking around. (more than one actually because there are more women than men on the planet)

    The problem is, our feminized society has given every woman the power to hold out for higher quality men than they deserve.

    This creates an imbalance that leads to tragedies like the one in PA.

    For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. (Newton’s 3rd Law)

    If empowered women keep applying pressure, they will create an explosion.


  59. Bhetti: Then yes, his genes should not have been passed on. Sexual selection was working.

    The scary thing is that this guy’s genes WERE passed on, if his miscellaneous note about Lee Ann is to be believed.

    It sounds like he may have had the raw materials to be “normal” though, so it’s not as if his spawn is destined to follow in his footsteps.

    Boys need to be taught how to become men though, and it looks like this guy never found a teacher, and never really learned. (Who knows though, we’re only privy to his side of things. Maybe his father, brother, and acquaintances would paint a very different picture).

    But a larger point – that males need to learn how to become men, is something lost on our society. Males are often ignored and/or demonized in the effort to prop up the self-esteem of women.

    Not every male will “figure it out for himself” without any help, sadly.


  60. “Then yes, his genes should not have been passed on.

    Sexual selection was working.”

    Not according to the guy’s screed: he mentions at the bottom that some woman had his baby.

    A-Bax makes some good points above.

    More generally: sure, prolonged celibacy and loneliness can’t be good for someone’s self-esteem or mental health, but my guess is that this guy’s other issues caused the prolonged celibacy in the first place.

    Ultimately, this guy was an evil loser who refused to take responsibility for his own life and happiness. It’s too bad he had a shitty upbringing and hated his parents and brother, but it’s a big country, and he could have started fresh in another city. His whining about his mother reminds me of an anecdote Wayne Dyer mentioned in his recent PBS special about how patients used to do that when he was working as a psychologist in New York. He’d say something like, “What’s your mother’s number? Maybe I should be treating her.”


  61. “Import ten, twenty million nubile, lithe, young women to America ”

    Aye Aye! That’s something I can get behind.

    Game is a service to women. The ‘affected’ asshole will not beat, abuse, stalk women like some real assholes would. Roissy et al are not assholes.

    They say a few cheeky words, lie a little, turn the woman on, and bang her on their own terms. Nothing malicious or criminal about that.

    “I went to a really nerdy college. Everyone was fuking like rabbits. ”
    Bullshit. At college, 80% of college students had 0 or 1 partner within the past year of being surveyed. 20% of college kids are virgins. 59 percent of students reported having no sexual activity within the past 30 days.

    Everyone thinks there’s much more sex going on at college than there actually is, college students included. For a few girls and guys in a few circles yes, otherwise no. Source: http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2095.html

    With numbers like that, if men didn’t differ in attractiveness, their college notch count would be in the low single digits. Of course they aren’t, so you have a few casanovas, and plenty of involuntary celibates.


  62. @Hansen:

    I can’t find any Church specific statistics as of yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers are lower, though; I wouldn’t just attribute it to women hating men for not needing them sexually. I would attribute it to the media hating hypocrisy. People of faith are held to higher standards than “normal people,” which is a bit ridiculous because all humans are humans and all humans are inherently sinful.

    Although try telling that truth to a mother whose son had been molested by a Catholic priest.

    @A.J. Travis:

    So are you saying that each person has his/her match out there? More or less like The One, except maybe not that specific?


  63. Hansen
    Yes indeed there was change in attitude during the 60s. And the thing that did not change was the attitude that the worst situation for a celibate was normal, consensual heterosexual activity. Anything else, like with little boys, was not so stigmatized. That itself is very fucked up, imho, and is a major reason the church reacted as slowly as it did to the emerging revelations.


  64. Ghost of Nicole-

    Bullshit. Every man knows they have to EARN respect.

    They DESERVE to get laid.

    A decent looking man who earns a good living and does not abuse women DESERVES to get laid. Period.

    The fact that so many do not, is a crime.

    And in a just society, all crimes are eventually punished.


  65. I think it is a mistake to say that game-awareness has little benefit to most guys. It all depends, doesn’t it, on what they have been programmed to think beforehand.
    Just throwing over-board a lot of stupid and wrong ideas about womens nature cannot but be good for any guy. And a lot of middle class white guys have been massively lied to their whole lives.


  66. Rum: What’s the only way to explain to an angry man with a gun that he’s not supposed to reproduce? You shoot him first.

    Arpagus: Tried to make it quite clear here that I don’t believe betas are garbage:

    he best must get selected. The problems these days is that they are not, it is perhaps more whiskey’s Thug hypothesis.

    I’m sorry, Mr. Shooting Spree does not qualify as The Best, Mr. I Thought About It But Got Over It is.

    Speaking of this, can somebody please help Mr. Virgin@40?

    Lucifer: It’s not a belief, it’s a fact. Not all people are meant to or should reproduce. And yes, roissy: should I have to state this? This applies to women as well.


  67. I know a few men that have been celibate for going on ten years.
    Some are good men, but they have zero game.
    They are so dejected, so morose so angry at the opposite sex- that they have given up.

    I try to teach them game- try to steer them in the right path- but they may be too far gone.
    There may be some hope for one man- he just finished reading “the game” he is intrigued. I offered to sarge with him, so far he hasn’t taken me up on my offer.

    Multiple generations of young men have been lied to since childhood.
    They don’t know how to romance or seduce women.
    Because of feminism, sexual harassment, political correctness, and the MSM, men have become neutered and sterile.

    If they ask women for advice on dating- women straight-out lie to them.
    Women almost universally make fun of or belittle game.
    Don’t discount any of this as major hurdles that many cannot get past.

    Even if men stumble upon game- they may not believe what they are reading- they may refuse to believe it.
    For lack of a better term:
    I was indoctrinated with false information, and as I read “the game” and other PUA material I still couldn’t believe my eyes.

    How is one to learn and accept that everything they have been told has been a lie?
    How does one take that tidbit? Anger- certainly, but then what?

    As an aside:
    Have you guys noticed a trend in fat women? Some of the ones I have spoken to actually believe they can get alpha cock. They don’t want to hook up with beta men either. This is a troubling development.


  68. “Arpagus said

    From reading his blog it is so clear-cut that celibacy was the problem. (No wonder it has been taken down.)”

    He was not celibate. To qoute directly from his blogg

    “She was a long haired, hot little hottie with a beautiful bod. I masturbate. Frequently. ”

    It’s sad that celibacy has become synonymous with a sex obsessed guy that have a hard time “getting any”. The guy was single, but he was not celibate in any form of the traditional meaning. Celibacy does not mean obsessing about sex. He could have walked a diffeent path if someone had told him about the value of directing all that frustration into works. Instead he fueled his own frustration even further.

    I think the PUA movement is paradigm shift in that it clearly exposes the truth about how the female mind works. But he could also have gained from some ancient views on how the deal with the endless barrage of the senses. The idea of restraining the impulse and transmuting same impulse has been lost in todays world, and yet this was a very common idea in older times.


  69. Not sure if anyone else has already done it, but I nominate him Beta of the Year, posthumous.


  70. Arpagus, A.J., Nicole:

    The issue of entitlement in the sexual marketplace is interesting here.

    Arpagus, you write of the shooter as a heroic symbol of “consequences of denying men sex” and A.J. writes that every man no matter how fat, smelly etc. deserves to get laid.

    I think Nicole’s on the money about entitlement: the world doesn’t owe you a thing. Isn’t that what Roissy’s blog is about–applying yourself to better learn how to take what you want and not sitting back and excuse-mongering, like this loser shooter or like David Alexander?


  71. By definition celibacy is voluntary.

    Not being able to get laid, after jumping through all the hoops women tell you to jump through, is NOT celibacy.

    It is forced sexual slavery.


  72. on August 5, 2009 at 12:59 pm ironrailsironweights

    Why does he wait until the very end of the diary before mentioning that he has a child?

    Peter

    [editor: because he secretly feared it was not his child.]


  73. Bhetti-
    “Speaking of this, can somebody please help Mr. Virgin@40?”

    Yeah, YOU can give him some.


  74. O,

    I agree the real issue isn’t black folks, but this provides some interesting perspective on the common mindset of scapegoating black masculinity. Sheer beta outlook. Maybe the coming race war will be one and the same with the “beta revolution,” ha ha…


  75. Ok..did I read that right and this guy also didn’t drink for 20 years until recently?

    Imagine that!? Sex and drinking often go togehter!?!?!

    Reason number 999,999 to always get a fucking drink (or 10…going to a heavy drinking place compared to a “suave cocktail lounge”) on a date you think you can f-close on the first night.


  76. Hansen

    Monasticism in its many forms can have its place, imho, but offering it as a solution for involuntary sexual frustration seems a lot less practical in the real world than just explaing to guys how to avoid frustration in the first place. More betas can get laid thereby than frustated men can find contentment in celibacy.


  77. My point above being, I bet this guy is the type who would take a girl on a date to get coffee or to an art museum or on a nature hike. And then wonder we he doesnt get any.


  78. @ Hansen: methinks you’re hair-splitting a bit much with the scholastic distinction between “celibacy” and “never-gets-laid”.

    So fine, we can avoid referring to him as “celibate” since he clearly wanted sex and companionship. “Involuntary sexlessness” is a bit clunky as a term, but I think that’s what Arpagus was getting at. And it was clearly among the root causes, if not the root cause, of Sodini’s homicidal behavior.

    It’s all well & good to advocate ancient views of sensory minimization to deal with sexual frustration, but until we get back to ancient taboos on rampant female sluttiness, guys like Sodini are going to be inundated with the sort of hyper-sexual imagery, tits-&-ass flaunting, and unrepentant slatternly behavior that would make the most stoic of the ancients blood boil.

    That’s all.


  79. Bhetti,

    If someone said that killing all arabs is a good idea, would you feel the same? Trust me, it is very easy to drum up support for that idea.


  80. “Rum said

    Hansen
    Yes indeed there was change in attitude during the 60s. And the thing that did not change was the attitude that the worst situation for a celibate was normal, consensual heterosexual activity. Anything else, like with little boys, was not so stigmatized. That itself is very fucked up, imho, and is a major reason the church reacted as slowly as it did to the emerging revelations.”

    Nonsense. The sin of child molestation was not debated for the same reason that the sin of murder was not debated. What was debated a principle in the path of the celibate clergy, as they abandoned an important principle of transmutation, that of no-stimulation.


  81. Abax, Bhetti, Mandy, Nicole, etc et al,

    Over on another thread I was telling Lovely Sexy Beauty that Game is an inherently MALE thing, that the idea of “Girl Game” is a misnomer. Why? Because of the inherent differences between Men and Women.

    This is why Women cannot be helpful to Men along these lines in the main, because their life experience is so fundamentally different. Girls become Women automatically, upon the first sighting of their period. From then on, very little is needed for them to get suitors. As we all know, Men do the gruntwork in the realworld, AND in the bedroom.

    By contrast, Manhood is a SKILL, NOT something that just “happens TO you”. Boys have to be taught how to be Men, and this is something Women simply cannot wrap their heads around.

    What was said earlier about the dreadfully painful time boys have in highschool and even college is oh so true. And for every Woman who tries to argue that girls go through the same pain, they are seriously deluded and w/all due respect they really need to shut the fuck up. It is NOT the same, because unless girlfriend is looking like Creature from the Black Lagoon, she can get laid. The average guy, can’t.

    It is for this reason that the AVERAGE Woman walking around simply cannot be of any real help to Men in these areas, because they at almost any time, can get laid if they want it. Not so for the vast majority of Men. Understand this, Ladies reading along, and please pass it on to your friends:

    MOST MEN DO NOT GET LAID.

    By that I mean:

    1. W/a Woman who is at least a 5 and up on the attractiveness scale

    2. At least once a month

    That’s right. I’m saying to you, that at any given time in any given locale, most of the guys you see aren’t getting their dick wet at least once a week w/an average looking gal or above. That’s a measley what, 48 times a year? Less than 50? But wait, it gets better:

    You’d be surprised by just how many Men don’t even get laid a dozen times a year.

    That’s right. Once a month. Don’t believe me? Try doing what Norah Vincent did. Look her up, her story, which eventually became a book, is easily accessible online.

    Like Roissy said, most Men simply cannot openly speak on these things, and as The Urban Scientist says over at Psychology Today, there are real evolutionary reasons for this, as well as for not “bitching” in general. Call it what you will, but simply put, its unmanly to openly admit that not only don’t you get laid, BUT THAT YOU CAN’T. Checkout what Style has to say about this in The Game in the very beginning when he first meets Mystery and he and Sin ask for his “number”. Its some of thee most poignant writing I have ever come accross, because virtually every Man here knows exactly what the fuck Style’s talking about. And it hurts.

    I gotta give the devil his due here-I agree w/Roissy, Whiskey is onto something here. The vast majority of Women simply do not understand how volatile, dangerous and downright violent this thing can be here. Men KILL over pussy. Wars have been started over it, big and small. And Women aint exempt from the bloodletting. Indeed, if anything they are increasingly being targeted, as the targets.

    Literally.

    We can go ahead and try to palm this off as yet another headcase who went off the deepend, but I’m not so glib on that score-afterall, only the deluded thinks that they can’t be driven over the edge. Errbody’s got their buttons. All you have to do is give em a little push.

    The Obsidian


  82. I just want to clarify that the main benefit of importing ten, twenty million nubile, lithe, young women to America and legalizing prostitution is not so much the safe, affordable blow jobs – although that would be sweet – but rather the dramatic decline in the power women currently hold over men and resulting lowering of bitch shields. As Roissy says in the comments, paid sex is not an acceptable long term substitute for the real thing, but legalized whoredom is a means for more men to get the real thing without having to put up with so much BS.

    It’s a question of supply and demand, and of making them compete. Part of the reason American women are a tad bitchy is that there is a lineup of about 3 billion men waiting to get into America, mostly for teh sex but also for green cards, and they know it. If you aren’t willing to put up with a woman’s crap there are three billion other guys who are. That matters. That manifests itself. And then there are the illegal immigrants, most of whom are working age men, that matters too.

    The balance of power is skewed to begin with in the best of times but adding immigration to the equation increases it by orders of magnitude. Outside of America, which has a relatively low (legal) immigration rate it’s a big problem, most of the immigrants are working age men, the female immigrants tend to be grannies that the men bring over later. I’m hearing that it’s a big problem in the Netherlands, and having met more women from the UK than I would’ve liked to I imagine it is a big problem there too.

    The best part is if prostitution is legalized and normalized we can say that there aren’t enough “sex trade workers” to fill the demand – there never will be – so whore house employers can justifiably demand millions of visas for nubile, lithe, young women from abroad to satisfy the demand for their perfectly legitimate business, sort of like how America uses H1-Bs and TN visas to satisfy the demand for computer programmers, which not coincidentally was Rodini’s profession.

    If your average bitch shield brandishing bilious harridan had to compete with millions of nubile, lithe, young female immigrants you would see a dramatic improvement in the attitudes of women. Women aren’t stupid, though, and they’ll oppose any measure to legalize prostitution, even the staunches feminist and dykes – there’s no solidarity like The Sisterhood.


  83. sad, tragic, pathetic, unnecessary.

    nicole beat me to it, to the first thing that leapt out at me: he hated/feared his mother, had no father, and had bad relations with his brother (but, curiously, not the sister).

    failure with women, like failure in other areas of life, can damage, stunt, and frustrate a man. but *truly* broken and dysfunctional personalities are usually traceable to a bad childhood, to the absence of unconditional love or positive role models from the parents.

    would game have fixed a guy like this? he was decent-looking, decent-earning, well edcuated and intelligent. but roissy said it right: he had a twisted or broken spirit, and so may have been beyond repair even if mystery himself winged for him every night.

    also, women pick up instantly on the damage, the anger, the alienation of this kind of guy. they can smell it the way a shark smells blood, one molecule per cubic meter of water. (are you listening, arpagus?) and it’s scary and off-putting for them. really, who wants to date or sleep with a guy full of hate? so it’s a self-reinforcing cycle that guys without basic insights into female psychology have no way out of. (and on that, pace roissy, i’m with bhetti: there are some guys who don’t deserve to get laid, if they can’t make the basic mental and social adjustments necessary to do so. those adjustments are hard for some guys, but … so is losing weight for some girls. suck up and do it.)

    also, i think the lord of the flies thing is overstated. you can’t build a model of future society based on a relative handful of damaged people who crack and go crazy. there may be a sizeable minority of clueless men (and undesirable women) who never get sex, but … it’s a minority, and most people grow out of their insecurities and into the ability to sustain some kind of relationship as they get more life experience and better rounded. the sodinis, chos, and klebolds, statistically, are meaningless outliers compared to the masses of men who *do not* behave like that, despite their psychosexual frustration.


  84. Bhetti

    Yes indeed, shooting the heavily armed angry guy first is a good idea. But step back a little and see the bigger picture. In real life, on-the-brink people rarely wear a sign that allows you to know whom you should shoot next.
    Also, this approach does nothing to treat the real problem.
    The combination of widespread near public sex via the media and hook-up culture plus the barren reality of many mens experience is pretty toxic.


  85. Hansen,

    You are speaking of voluntary celibacy. That is all good for those who choose it, but most of us don’t. Involuntary celibacy means not getting any against our will, and obsessing over it to the point of depression and violence is nature’s way of getting us to do something to improve our situation. Telling a loser (by his own standards; if you want celibacy, then I respect that, but don’t tell me it is good for me) that he should just accept his lot and kill his desire too is really bad advice. Depression is adaptive and should preferably be dealt with by addressing the cause, not the symptom as you are preaching.


  86. Rome82,

    hope that you can repeat that same statement in the appropriate situation.

    One of the reason that an alpha, beta, omega concept does not work well in human civilization is that once technology has gone past a certain point, anyone can kill anybody.

    Remember the saying about how samuel colt made all men equal? and now you can do far worse without firing a single shot.


  87. For every nerdy, smelly, fat, or otherwise socially undesirable man out there, there is an equally unattractive woman walking around.

    In most systems it makes sense for these people not to reproduce. Now that we have protection and so on, I guess the perspective is different. As well as the reduced impetus for taking advantage of a provider type.

    A decent looking man who earns a good living and does not abuse women DESERVES to get laid. Period.

    The fact that so many do not, is a crime.

    It is a crime — really unbelievable — but violent outbursts isn’t a solution. ‘Justice’ maybe (although it’s very difficult to determine who’s The Enemy when there’re a lot of complicated factors i.e. The System that’s to blame), but not a solution.

    I don’t think this particular battle is one that can be fought with guns.

    AJ Travis: Heh. Point. Am not free to and I’m not that type. Too costly for me in several ways. The most blatant being honour killings and all. I have actually tried with betas and have not made it work. Though if you think women should give it to whoever looks like they need it**, then I suppose you’ve decided to leave LILGRL alone?

    Getting laid will help with the obsession with The Ten, right? I hope so.

    ** charitable organisation providing free Prostitutes to Those In Need run by Lucifer is what I’m thinking. Call it The Sodini Foundation.


  88. “Rum

    Hansen

    Monasticism in its many forms can have its place, imho, but offering it as a solution for involuntary sexual frustration seems a lot less practical in the real world than just explaing to guys how to avoid frustration in the first place. More betas can get laid thereby than frustated men can find contentment in celibacy.”

    I dont think its about all the going monastic.

    Rum, I am not a clergy and I hold no idea as to holyness in regards to my own interest towards asceticism. So I agree with you that “game” may indeed be a good thing to learn.

    That said I wish there where at least an awareness in todays world about the ascetic path, I say the betas should try that path too, if even just for a few weeks.

    For me it has proved a rich source of inspiration, but hte sad thing is that its actively shunned in todays zeitgeist.

    The idea of the ascetic being a hypocrite is one example that is constantly reinforced, but take one lonely guy away from his internet porn and have him meditate upon the ways of the warrior instead, and watch him start to glow instead of boil.


  89. Hansen

    Maybe I was not paying attention when Church Authorities reacted to pederast Priests the same as if they were murderers. Or maybe, since I am not RC, I am unaware that Priests who commit murder are routinely shuffled to new parishes without a word being said to anybody.


  90. “Then yes, his genes should not have been passed on.

    Sexual selection was working.”

    By this criteria, natural selection worked on his victims because they weren’t bulletproof.


  91. on August 5, 2009 at 1:23 pm ironrailsironweights

    Here’s a diary entry from May 7 that just might offer a clue:

    Went to the gym and did mostly cardio. My heart rate was 117 just from walking on the treadmill at 3.4. This should be done a few times a week for maybe 15 mins or so to keep the heart active. I sprinted a few times to push the limits.

    Unless the treadmill was at a very high incline, there’s no way that a trim, fit man’s heart rate should be anything close to 117 just from walking at a not-very-fast pace. Could he have been on some sort of psychiatric medications that boosted his heart rate?

    Peter


  92. Rum says, “Women will never get this. “Respect” of any kind means less than nothing if your fate is to stand to the side while watching other men fuck attractive women.
    I stand by my comment to Bhetti. The problem is not that some men will never get laid, the problem is that those men are in the same small room as the men and women who are getting laid.”

    The fate of a person who respect themselves is not to stand to the side while watching other men fuck attractive women.

    The fate of a person who respects themselves is to live their life, and along the way, only fuck people who respect them regardless of how attractive they may be to other people.

    A person who respects themselves is not lowering their standards to the masses. The desires of the general public are a fascinating anthropological note with little relevance aside of how best to profit from, lead, or exploit them outright.

    So it really does start from within. You can torture yourself about the facts of life, or you can accept them and learn to thrive within them. From there, you can demand respect from others, and if they don’t give it to you, you can kill them in your mind instead of needing to kill them physically.

    Some guys here don’t like to hear this because it’s against the internalized beta mentality…they just don’t get it and never will, but for a man who respects himself, it doesn’t matter if a woman is a 10 if she doesn’t respect him. He’d rather be with a woman he only considers minimally physically attractive who respects him than a woman he considers physically “perfect” who doesn’t.

    It just happens that guys with self respect are more attractive to generally considered physically attractive women, because they’re the guys who won’t take crap from a woman no matter how she looks. They’re less pussies than guys who are following the herd standard even if it’s leading them off a social and sexual cliff.

    Western society’s skirting the edges, and this guy, Sodini, fell off and took a few women with him.


  93. Maurice,
    W/all due respect the very existence of the PUA community-which is GLOBAL in scope and revenues-stands in stark contradiction to what you’ve just said. We simply refuse to accept just how much of a powderkeg this thing is. As Dana mentioned in the other thread, Falling Down aint just a movie, and happens a lot more than we’re willing to admit.

    O


  94. A.J. :

    We are indeed talking about “the world” and how it works. You say, a man deserves the drink if he walks into a Starbucks with his $5.

    But there are always conditions. If that man walks into the Starbucks with no shirt and no shoes, or tries to pay in foreign currency, for example, he will not be served his latte. No matter how badly he wants it, or thinks he deserves it.

    But there he is, still waving that money around, saying he’s got the money and that’s all that should matter.


  95. “Rum

    Hansen

    Maybe I was not paying attention when Church Authorities reacted to pederast Priests the same as if they were murderers. Or maybe, since I am not RC, I am unaware that Priests who commit murder are routinely shuffled to new parishes without a word being said to anybody.”

    The RC are probably guilty of alot more than pedophilia given its status as a global organisation. And if they have pedophiles in their midsts I would not be surprised if they have (co-operating) murderers there too. But neither sin is a result of celibacy.

    The point I was originaly trying to make was that pedophilia was not discussed for the same reason murder was not discussed. Since they are both terminal sins.

    And I am no I am not a catholic either.


  96. A.J. Travis says, “A decent looking man who earns a good living and does not abuse women DESERVES to get laid. Period.”

    A decent looking man who earns a good living and does not abuse women, who REJECTS the women who would shag him, does not deserve to get laid.

    I can appreciate the resolve it takes for a guy to hold out for the unicorn, but like many spinsters of days gone by had to accept about waiting for the perfect love with the perfect man learned, men must learn that not all gamblers win all the time.

    If you hold out exclusively for the 10 with a heart of gold, you may never get her.

    Hell, nowadays, holding out for a 7 with a heart of gold is a gamble.


  97. There seems to be an opinion here that more and more men will become angry / dejected because they aren’t getting laid, and outbursts like this are symptomatic of a lack of respect/sexual attention from women.

    In that case, it seems that women are being blamed (in part, not wholly) for this.

    For accepting favors, for not putting out, for whatever it is that lowers the male confidence.

    So, what are women expected to do? What would be considered acceptable female behavior to ameliorate these issues?

    I have always been taught that when a man approaches and you’re not interested, you should still be nice, smile, even talk to him. The worst thing to do to a man, I’ve been told by other guys and more experienced women, is to ignore him.

    It’s a valuable lesson all women need to learn.


  98. @Nicole- agreed. There had to be a good deal of women who would have dated this man. Just not the types he thought were worthy.


  99. Nicole

    No guy really wants a fat chick. Deal with it.


  100. Nicole

    No guy really wants a fat chick. Deal with it.

    Someone could also say “No woman really wants a beta. Deal with it.”

    That’s the problem.


  101. Every woman who posts here should read what Obsidian wrote very carefully.

    It is the absolute truth. Eloquently stated.

    A few years ago, a female friend of mine and I decided to try and experiment.

    We are both about the same level of attractiveness to the opposite sex, and both above average. (Higher than a 5)

    We agreed to keep track of how many members of the opposite sex flirted with us in the course of a day.

    She tallied over 100 in a day. I had 5. And they only reason I had 5 was because I initiated them. She never had to initiate anything.

    But as disheartening as this was, I found out something even worse.

    If I was not at work, and I didn’t initiate: I could go through an entire day, and not only would no woman flirt with me, but no woman would even ACKNOWLEDGE me.

    And neither would any man.

    In fact, outside of the office, I could go for days without ANYONE speaking to me.

    And then I noticed that I wasn’t alone. Everywhere I looked, there was some nice, harmless looking guy, being ignored by the entire world.

    It is impossible to experience something like that and not doubt your worth as a human being.

    I defy any woman who is a 5 or above to get through any day (if you are not locked inside your house) where NOBODY says a word to you.

    It won’t happen.

    Therefore, no normal woman will EVER know the loneliness inherent with being a man.


  102. “Arpagus said

    Depression is adaptive and should preferably be dealt with by addressing the cause, not the symptom as you are preaching.”

    But in alot of cases the symptom and the cause are entwined. Are the fat girl fat becuase she eats too much or does she eat too much because she’s fat?

    Depression and desperation are two things that certainly will hold the girls off. One should controll those by first becoming self reliant and see value in oneself based on something other than the number of scoremarks on the bedpost

    From an evolutionary perspective, most animals are not constantly in a state of sexual desperation, I dont think this is the natural state for humans either.


  103. If someone said that killing all arabs is a good idea, would you feel the same? Trust me, it is very easy to drum up support for that idea.

    That’s a silly statement. It is a fact that some Arabs should die and “deserve” death at this moment in time.

    When did I say all men should not get laid?

    The combination of widespread near public sex via the media and hook-up culture plus the barren reality of many mens experience is pretty toxic.

    Hear, hear. Thought it was difficult anyway, with a man needing sex.

    also, women pick up instantly on the damage, the anger, the alienation of this kind of guy. they can smell it the way a shark smells blood, one molecule per cubic meter of water.

    Hear, hear. I don’t feel strongly on this, actually. Would like to see decent provider types providing and a more conservative climate that allows this. I’ve been trying to get across that while this guy seems irretrievably damaged, there’re others who aren’t that should not be living a sex-free life.

    Certainly not all men are attractive enough for sex, or put enough effort to warrant it.

    Why should one of life’s greatest pleasures and needs be easy?

    Does food — essential for life — come without effort? It’s not supposed to. It’s only thanks to modern society that we have relatively easy access to it.

    While you can argue sex is a human right, so is being able to choose who you have it with.

    “Then yes, his genes should not have been passed on.

    Sexual selection was working.”

    By this criteria, natural selection worked on his victims because they weren’t bulletproof.

    Natural selection also works via death. More like reflexes, responses to bleeding. More an element of wrong place at wrong time: random chance.
    It wasn’t random chance that he was rejected over and over, so natural selection worked ‘better’ for him.
    Do you have a point? Specifically about what that pertained to, which is that ‘looks like rejecting him was a good idea in this instance, looking at how he turned out!’


  104. lol… why does it have to be about men wanting a fat chick or not? there are men who like large women.

    and there are women who genuinely like betas.


  105. on August 5, 2009 at 1:42 pm BrownPaperBag

    Your giving serious consideration to the writings of a madman? When he says he was “nice” that’s what other people thought, too? Because his version of events is going to be accurate, right? He’s really the best judge of those situations, the guy who went on a crazy killing spree? Your assumption that women rejected him and that made him go mad is backwards. Obviously women rejected him because he was batshit crazy. I love how you’ve used two facts about him to establish how perfectly “normal” and representative of the average man he is and how those things should have gotten him laid, “a good job” and “not ugly” as if that’s all it should take. There was obviously something very wrong with this person that made him very undesirable to women, possibly because he was the sort of man who would plot to kill random women for over a year and never once question whether that was wrong and that maybe he shouldn’t do that. Saying you’ve “chickened out” isn’t experiencing a moral delimma. Does this sound like the sort of person who could have normal responses during a conversation with a woman? Does he mention having any female friends? Does he mention having friends at all? I haven’t read the diary, but I strongly suspect the answer is “no”. What does that say about how much people enjoy his company or how good he is with other human beings in general? This was a sick man, and you’re justifying his actions by explaining it the way you have.


  106. “Are the fat girl fat becuase she eats too much or does she eat too much because she’s fat?”

    mind = blown


  107. It’s hard to diagnose what this dude’s issues were in regards to his not being able to get laid. He could have had a personality disorder, been depressed or simply had impossibly high standards. I don’t believe its the latter simply because a man will lower standards for pussy (if what I read here is correct), not for an ltr but certainly for sex alone. Twenty years is not just a celibacy streak its a freak of nature for a man of his age and appearance. There are factors at work here we don’t know of in my opinion. Game will work for men of average intelligence (and up), for the attractive/unattractive and for the committed. I’m not sure it would work for a disturbed individual. Just sayin…


  108. Rome82:

    Fuck off.

    I disprove your bullshit argument, and just like any other intellectually dishonest person, you try and change the conditions of the test, to suit your desired outcome.

    You’re wrong, you know it, and you’re a fucking pussy.

    Deal.


  109. Dreamer,
    The plain, ugly truth is, that Women are now, have always been, and will continue to be for the forseeable future, the gatekeepers of sex. They determine, by and large and barring largescale rape, who gets lucky…and who doesn’t.

    And because of the loosening of cultural and social mores that has taken place over roughly the past 4 decades, Women have a freer hand to really go buckwild w/their sexual wants and desires, w/little if any repurcussions. Well, as we’ve been seeing over the past decade, it may be time to pay the piper.

    The problem in all this is that, as always is the case, girls tend to mature faster than boys; they’re usually the last one to get the memo. So, since so many of them have been ingrained w/being a nice, chivalrous guy when in fact that usually puts Women off, this creates a great deal of bitterness in guys. Not good.

    If Women want different outcomes, they have to send out different signals: stop rewarding jerks and playas. Start rewarding nice and chivalrous guys. Learn to settle for the things that aren’t sexy, but are better in the longrun. Guys only react to the signals Women put out; if Women want better Men, they need to be better Women.

    It’s really as simple as that.

    Until then though-Yippee Kiyay MFer…

    O


  110. Bhetti–

    The problem with e.g. Arpagus’ MRA stance is that there is this assumption that all men deserve to get laid. They do not.

    That is how it has always worked. The best must get selected. The problems these days is that they are not, it is perhaps more whiskey’s Thug hypothesis.

    Yes. That’s exactly right. Both sides of what you said.


  111. Obsidian

    I would sign my name to your comment.


  112. Ghost of Nicole-

    “nowadays, holding out for a 7 with a heart of gold is a gamble.”

    A man who is a 5 should be able to have sex with a woman who is a 5. A man who is a 7 should be able to get a 7, etc.

    The numbers should equate, with a slight edge to men because of the numerical imbalance.

    But they don’t.

    Women who are 5’s, bang men who are 7’s because they have been ’empowered’ to do so by our feminized culture.

    And even if those 5 women ‘limit’ themselves and lose some opportunities to get laid (with 1-6’s), they will still close escrow much more than a guy who is a 5, and working his ass off to get laid with a female 5.

    That’s an unjust system, even though you as a woman benefit from it.


  113. “Some guys here don’t like to hear this because it’s against the internalized beta mentality…they just don’t get it and never will, but for a man who respects himself, it doesn’t matter if a woman is a 10 if she doesn’t respect him. He’d rather be with a woman he only considers minimally physically attractive who respects him than a woman he considers physically “perfect” who doesn’t.

    It just happens that guys with self respect are more attractive to generally considered physically attractive women, because they’re the guys who won’t take crap from a woman no matter how she looks. They’re less pussies than guys who are following the herd standard even if it’s leading them off a social and sexual cliff.”

    Ghost of Nicole makes a good point, and it’s really not that far off from a point Roissy himself made in a recent post (the one with the photo of the four girls and their male friend), when he smacked down as basement dwellers (or whatever the phrase was) guys who claimed those girls were unattractive.


  114. Dreamer-
    “There had to be a good deal of women who would have dated this man.”

    Just because you want this to be true, doesn’t mean it is.


  115. I wonder if there were any illegal aliens in his area? While most Mexican women are not that attractive,a good many really are,and some of the younger ones are beautiful. And theyre good to go! Too bad for this idiot!


  116. Roissy-
    “Women (like LR and others) enjoy love, affection, and devotion of men and then reneg on the sex.

    [editor: a man who falls for the ol’ bait and switch routine has himself to blame as much as the cocktease he tried to ply with favors.]”

    That would only be true if everyone acknowledged that what those women are doing is wrong.

    But outside the people who read blogs like this one, and have had their eyes opened, that kind of behavior from a woman would get the response:

    “Well… Just because he cooks and cleans and pays her bills, doesn’t mean he DESERVES sex. She’s not a prostitute!”


  117. A.J.-

    I hear a lot of angry hot beta-air but nothing logical in your response.

    Didn’t like the way I used your own metaphor against your false premise?

    Let me clarify this for you. You think a man deserves to get laid because he brings to the table the basic currency for what he wants in return.

    Fine. But who does that man have to blame if he refuses to recognize all the conditions that go into that exchange? Or if he refuses to hear when he’s being told that he’s bringing the wrong currency?

    Roissy’s right–if you are strung along by some gold digger who withholds sex, you’ve yourself to blame, as much as if you’re pay a bill every month for cable service when the cable doesn’t work.


  118. Just because you want this to be true, doesn’t mean it is.

    Come on, you don’t think he could have banged a 4 or a 5 or a fattie? He was low-status, surely he could have banged a low-status chick himself.


  119. I’ve been meaning to send this in for some time now.
    This seems appropriate time.

    At 50 I go through dry-spells of betwen 5 and 10 years.
    I trace all this back to a number of catastrophic sexual rejections in my teens.

    At 17 I persuaded a hot looking blonde 16 years old on a date. I could hardly believe my luck and as we were on a riverside walk we met a tall, good looking school mate of mine coming the other way. He was taken aback with the sight of me with this girl and though she rather too eagerly entered into conversation with him, he took my surrepticious hint to go on his way.
    After a lengthy making out session the girl announced she had to return to her hotel for a cardigan. She never returned and I consoled myself with the thoght that perhaps her parents had grounded her.
    Early next day the police are pounding on the door of my mothers house looking for me. The girl never returned. The parents are hysterical. I was the last person to see her.
    Pulling me out of bed into the back of the police car I’ll never forget the look on Ma’s face or the ride to the station or the questioning session or the formation of a search party. I was in tears when the girls parents called the police. Turned out the girl had ran after my schoolmate and spent the night with him.
    The public shame of exactly what happened together with the sight of the happy couple arm in arm for the rest of the summer was a confidence shattering experience for me.

    Two years later I was amazed when a pretty girl I knew agreed to go to a party with me. It would be full of sporting types. I was discomfited on the wayto discover she vaguely knew some of the more alpha pro football types there by reputation.
    It was already very drunken and boisterous when we got there and there peoply hanging from the bannisters and lining the hallway.
    On entering a huge sports gorilla made his way over and scooped up my girl and embarked on a prolonged French kiss which brought the house down and had everyone except me laughing hysterically.
    As the seconds passed and the kiss continued it became clear that the gorilla’s enthusiasm was more than reciprocated.
    As the laughter began to die down everyone began to notice me. My face turned scarlet as it became obvious the girl was taking the lead.
    A merciful schoolfriend signalled for me to follow him on through the house and into the kitchen where he unlocked the back door and let me out as discreetly as he could. I never saw any of those people again.

    Those were easily two of the three most formative events of my life. I had a good media career with status, property and money but it all disappeared as my social problems with women became too difficult to ignore in my advancing years.

    I was astonished by Sodini’s diary. I felt I could have written it myself.


  120. As many of you know, recently I’ve been really been studying the hit HBO drama The Wire. Its been hailed by virtually every tv and film critic as one of if not the best series ever to hit television, for is gritty storytelling and deep exploration of sociological themes.

    In Season 3 or 4, I don’t recall exactly, Lex, a youngbuck drug runner working for Bodie, kills Fruit, a young drug runner working for the new kingpin in town, Marlo Stanfield. Lex is livid that Fruit has been seen about town w/Lex’s baby mama.

    One night on the way out of a party and hugged up w/said baby mama, Fruit’s head is blown off, one shot to the dome by Lex. W/his face spattered w/blood, and his baby mama screaming in shock and horror, Lex greets her.

    This is a scenario that happens quite a bit in the hood, and please do not get it twisted, it can happen out in the boonies as well. If Sodini and Cho’s cases are any indication, its the wave of the future.

    Just a thought. You really should checkout The Wire when you get a chance.

    O


  121. To all those of you who keep saying,”Sodini couldnt find a woman because he was obviously a nut,” I have a few questions.

    If he was such a nut,why did it take 48 years for his nuttiness to finally burst out?Wouldnt a bonafide nut go berserk well before?It makes more sense to say Sodini was driven nuts.The question then becomes;why,and by whom?


  122. Seems his mom fucked him up.


  123. Rum says, “No guy really wants a fat chick. Deal with it.”

    I’m not male or a telepath, so I only have anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

    …but that’s not my point. There are plenty of skinny women in the world who are decent. They’re just not available to, or dressed to to catch pump and dumpers.

    Betas don’t notice them. They’re busy kvetching because the hoes aren’t merciful.


  124. Judging from this thread, seems like there’s a profound misunderstanding of Darwinism, evolution, selection, sexual selection, and related topics out there.

    One of the dumb twats on here, I think it might be Bhetti, keeps revealing how confused she is about these issues, with a dumbed down, mistaken, pop evolution outlook on them.

    There is no “best” in terms of evolutionary theory. There is no “deserve” or “should” or “should not” “pass on one’s genes”. There’s no teleology, there’s no goal. You’re imputing your narrow, goal oriented experience and psychology onto the complex process of evolution, which scientifically speaking has no goal, and no anthropomorphic conception of “good”, “better”, “best”, etc.

    To put it simply, individual organisms are adaption-executors, not fitness-maximizers.

    Read a fucking book, you dumb cunt.


  125. on August 5, 2009 at 2:11 pm Marcus Aureliette

    It is impossible to experience something like that and not doubt your worth as a human being.

    Only if you have zero ability to parse out your own worth as existing independently of other people’s opinions.

    I defy any woman who is a 5 or above to get through any day (if you are not locked inside your house) where NOBODY says a word to you.

    It won’t happen.

    It happens. Regularly. But you don’t see me holding mankind responsible for it, nor plotting to shoot up random strangers because waaah, interpersonal communication is haaaard! I was never led to expect anyone or anything to fall at my feet, so I don’t view it as a hardship.

    This guy’s inability to interact on any meaningful level — with anyone, not just women — suggests that his problems were the cause, not the result, of his sex-drought.


  126. There are some pathetic ass men posting on this site. Feminism is responsible for your unhappiness? Nah, I think being a punk ass idiot is responsible for your unhappiness. I’ve never encountered such a group of entitled, pathetic whiners. God almighty. No wonder you aren’t getting laid.


  127. Obsidian,

    I finished season 1 a couple nights ago. Amazing. One of the best seasons/series I’ve ever seen.

    Are the subsequent seasons of The Wire of similar quality? Worth watching?


  128. Rome82-
    “Didn’t like the way I used your own metaphor against your false premise?”

    I know that’s what you think you did, but clearly you’re not that smart.

    My premise was and is true. You did nothing to refute it.

    Instead, you refuted a completely different premise than the one I gave. Hence the term ‘Straw Man.’

    “Let me clarify this for you. You think a man deserves to get laid because he brings to the table the basic currency for what he wants in return.

    Fine.”

    Wow, you finally got around to understanding what I am saying. Congratulations for finally catching up.

    Of course, everything else in your post was just you, once again, trying to save face for your initial stupidity.

    You should have stopped after you typed ‘Fine.’


  129. One problem with the Travis formulation is that the terms of any deal must be negotiated in advance for it to have any force or meaning. Just asserting, ” I did this thing for you now so you owe me XXX” is a non-starter. It might work that way in prisons or in the mafia but not in saner precincts.


  130. Obsidian,

    “if Women want better Men, they need to be better Women.”

    So good it needs repeating.


  131. AJ,
    Thanks for the kudos on my post, Man. No disrespect to any of the ladies here, but you’ll pardon me if I say that I am not holding my breath waiting for any of them to really get what I’ve said.

    The simple, brutal, harsh, and bitter truth is, that most Women simply couldn’t care less that most guys are treated like Stop signs. Read Mystery Method-he says it all right there. Women go to clubs and bars all the time with the intention of getting as many free drinks and favors as possible w/o doing anything in return from guys, and think nothing of it-and worse, neither do any of her girlfriends. When this topic comes up in conversation w/Women, I often defy them to cite an instance where she took any of her friends to task for either doing that, or, for viciously shooting down a guy approaching her.

    Would it surprise you to know that I’ve yet to get an affirmative answer? Only defensive barbs and rationalizations/justifications.
    The harsh truth that so many people really have a hard time getting their head around, is that Women often act this way because they can-eggs expensive, sperm cheap. Its really that simple. Add to that a society that supports Women right or wrong, and leans on guys right or wrong, and viola!-you get ish like that which we’re discussing right now.

    I’m generally a very optimistic guy, but I gotta level with ya: I don’t see any uprising among Women anytime soon about any of this, if anything I see the exact opposite, a push for even more laws and the like to attempt to contain the “problem”. Women gain from the way the game is rigged presently. Only the most disengenuous among us would attempt to spin it otherwise.

    What can I say? I say the only real option, the only real “weapon”, the average American Male has, is GAME. Failing that, he’s just twisting in the wind.

    Smh

    O


  132. Ghost of Nicole-
    ” There are plenty of skinny women in the world who are decent. They’re just not available to, or dressed to to catch pump and dumpers.

    Betas don’t notice them”

    Bullshit.

    They don’t notice betas.

    Or they notice and actively avoid them.


  133. Obsidian

    By contrast, Manhood is a SKILL, NOT something that just “happens TO you”. Boys have to be taught how to be Men, and this is something Women simply cannot wrap their heads around.

    Isn’t there a lot of unhappiness expressed on this board about how women have been taught to be unfeminine and, to paraphrase, ballcutting succubi? Granted, it’s normally expressed via the converse, how feminism has taught men to not be men, but there allusions to, or personal stories by, women also.

    So while women may not have a scientifically proven mystery method of game, there is a corollary that just as men have to be taught to be MEN women have to be taught to be WOMEN. Game partially teaches men to be men, no? So, women have to be women, it’s just that their aim isn’t necessarily just sex. I don’t think women are somehow innately knowledgeable about how to be “women”, and we are then that is some powerful unteaching going on.

    Being an attractive woman might equal sex, but it might not if she is an unmitigated ballcutting succubus. Or so I understand. ;)

    What was said earlier about the dreadfully painful time boys have in highschool and even college is oh so true. And for every Woman who tries to argue that girls go through the same pain, they are seriously deluded and w/all due respect they really need to shut the fuck up. It is NOT the same, because unless girlfriend is looking like Creature from the Black Lagoon, she can get laid. The average guy, can’t.

    It is true, I’ll never understand the intensity of adolescent male sex drive, or the agony of being 16 yr old boy with hot teens wandering around my gym class while refusing to have sex with me.

    I have to think on if I think that men hurting more or just expressing it differently (e.g. wars over women.) Not sure how I’ll figure that one out, but I’ll be thinking of all the girls who are crying because every man thinks of her as a friend, and at 26 she still hasn’t has a boyfriend. [I think this sounds like I’m being flippant, but really, the violence v. crying, sex v. love, urges, etc.]

    also, women pick up instantly on the damage, the anger, the alienation of this kind of guy. they can smell it the way a shark smells blood, one molecule per cubic meter of water. (are you listening, arpagus?) and it’s scary and off-putting for them.

    So true, imho.

    I defy any woman who is a 5 or above to get through any day (if you are not locked inside your house) where NOBODY says a word to you.
    If I can break myself of the habit of smiling and saying hit to people (except on the subway) I’ll try this.


  134. on August 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm snatch magnet

    Jeez, all the poor nutjob needed was an Eharmony account.


  135. In all likelihood, PUA tactics would not have helped this guy. The Seduction Community is great for guys who are otherwise normal but just don’t understand how to attract a woman: mostly because they’ve been lied to all along about what they’re supposed to be doing to bring women into their lives.

    OTOH, there are guys that can’t get women into their lives because they’re just fucking broken. They might initally appear to be normal, but they’re not. I’ve seen guys like this try some PUA tactics but it just doesn’t work for them, and they wind up quitting in disgust.

    Anyone who would pull one of these mass killing things is probably psychotic and therefore, fucking broken.


  136. Aoefe,

    As a man who has been severely depressed all his life, sometimes effectively treated and sometimes not, dating women who were often depressed, sometimes effectively treated and sometimes not, I can tell you how simply and quickly a mood disorder ends your relationships or budding relationships if your partner isn’t equipped to handle it as a known part of the human condition. Pair that with being average in conventional attractiveness, and you have a recipe for disaster: months spent getting up the courage to ask someone out, a panic attack doing it, and self-esteem dependent on the response.

    Learning Game was a godsend to me because I could use it to induce women to tread a path with me that I was ill-equipped to take alone, moreover, it gives me “filler” for the times when (thanks to depression) my sex drive disappears for weeks even when in a relationship. I can prod, cajole, tease, sexualize a situation and an existence which (as a depressed person with multiple disabilities) our society’s mores broadly insist should NOT be sexual.


  137. on August 5, 2009 at 2:25 pm snatch magnet

    Oh yeah, and is it me or has anyone else noticed that Willard has been strangely silent?
    Coincidence?


  138. A.J. Travis: With all due respect, your insistence that a male 5 “should” be able to bang a female 5, a male “7” “should” be able to bang a female 7″, etc., and that situations where this is not the case are somehow instances of “injustice” strikes me as an exercise in wishful thinking.

    Perhaps, in some ideal world, what you describe would be the case. But that is not the way it is. To rail against the “injustice” of women not putting out equitably is to ignore the fundamental asymmetry between men and women: that eggs are few in number and thus valuable, and that sperm is plentiful and thus cheap. All else flows from this basic biological disparity. Obsidian’s eloquence regarding women as the “gatekeepers” of sex reflects an understanding of this basic asymmetry. Roissy has alluded to it a number of times.

    Women are under no obligation to put out to those who are equally attractive, and hypergamy is their natural instinct and their desire (just as polygamy is a man’s natural instinct and his desire). There are sound evo-psych rationales for both women’s hypergamous strategy and men’s polygamous strategy. These strategies are obviously at odds with one another, and there’s been a subsequent arms race between the sexes to gain (if only briefly) the upper hand in this never-ending struggle.

    Game is simply another step in this dance…it’s a psy-op adaptation to women’s frustrating bait-&-switch tactics (among other things) that so many of us men find frustrating. But I’d suggest taking women’s bait-&-switch tactics for what there are: an attempt to qualify, an attempt to secure additional resources, and an unconscious shit-test. Don’t presume it to be a “cosmic injustice”. They kinda can’t help it at some level. (Just like we men can’t help watching a nice ass twitch as a hottie walks by, or repeatedly glancing at a pretty face or cleavagey-goodness). The better response it to apply game as your abilities allow, or simply not participate in the dance.

    The world as-it-is does not respect our human-invented sense of justice. And that may ultimately be a sad and frustrating thing. But wishing something so will not make it so.


  139. Marcus Aureliette-
    “Only if you have zero ability to parse out your own worth as existing independently of other people’s opinions.”

    Wrong. That’s SELF-WORTH.

    Your ‘Worth’ is the value that others assign to you.

    If even the girl who rings you up at the grocery store doesn’t bother to at least acknowledge your existence, I contend that the world will not miss you at all if you were not there.

    Most guys will not cure cancer or invent the lightbulb in their lives. Their worth is contained primarily in their ability to find attract and keep 1 good woman, aggregate some assets, and reproduce.

    Deny him those things unfairly and there will be trouble.


  140. on August 5, 2009 at 2:30 pm Willard Libby

    snatch magnet

    Oh yeah, and is it me or has anyone else noticed that Willard has been strangely silent?

    It’s you.


  141. -A.J. Travis-

    Makes many valid points. roissy states that men are in part to blame for friending a girl without the sex.

    This is only somewhat true- most men don’t have game, without game they don’t know what to do (or how to act) in a situation such as this.
    The female can ensnare and enslave the beta man she is not fucking, and he will find it very hard to escape in one piece.

    i speak from experience.
    Dr. Paul states this very well.
    Friended beta Men provide women with attention, time, and an ear- all of these are valuable resources- he does this expecting to be paid in sex. The woman knows this all too well, yet she refuses to pay.

    Men shouldn’t discount the time them spend in the presence of a women they are not fucking. That time could be better spent and in many situations it is worth more than money.


  142. ”””””””””’Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.””””””””’

    He convinced himself he wouldn’t go to hell makes it easy.


  143. M. Aurielette

    I my first comment on this post I said that if there were not actual dead bodies here, I would have called this guys screed a hoax. Because this guy COULD communicate. He was not brillant, but he could express himself better than a lot of folks I know. I had trouble after reading the manifesto believing anyone who could explain himself at that level could not somehow manage to talk in a non-scary way to woman.
    I do not know, but I will bet that he not especially scary to women. Just creepy in that special way that happens after too much rejection.
    I am guessing but if he blundered across a indescriminant slut when he was 16 his whole life might have been redeemed.


  144. on August 5, 2009 at 2:33 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    @FK

    You are pathetic.


  145. Lynch,

    ALL FIVE SEASONS OF THE WIRE IS DA FUCKING BOMB.

    I can’t make it any plainer than that.

    Get it.

    O


  146. Bob-
    “There are some pathetic ass men posting on this site. Feminism is responsible for your unhappiness?”

    Typical wrong assumption from a lower-IQ, alpha male.

    I never said that feminism is the cause of my unhappiness.

    It is the cause of the unfair system that we all now ‘enjoy.’

    My happiness is not subject to such things.

    But my anger is.


  147. Rome82,

    Once weapons that did not require physical strength to operate appeared (gunpowder), things changed.

    Once such weapons could be mass produced (Colt), it changed further.

    Once the world became more dependent on technology, it changed even more (box-cutters and airliners).

    You and almost all women are fighting against the irreversible effects of technology on options and possibility. Your call.. I am just enjoying the show.

    The alpha, beta, omega concept cannot coexist with the world we have now, and we cannot reverse time. Humans will either adapt or perish because of their stupidity. I don’t care..


  148. A.J. Travis,

    People believe they are gods until they are about to fail. Let them believe what they want, it just makes the failure even more catastrophic and fun to watch


  149. Rum-
    “One problem with the Travis formulation is that the terms of any deal must be negotiated in advance for it to have any force or meaning.”

    You should direct this comment to the women who do not seem to realize that in accepting things from men, they are indeed negotiating a contract for intimacy.

    Not the men who get cheated.


  150. Obsidian on August 5, 2009 at 1:09 pm – damn good post Obsidian.

    By contrast, Manhood is a SKILL, NOT something that just “happens TO you”. Boys have to be taught how to be Men, and this is something Women simply cannot wrap their heads around.

    Society doesn’t get this. Most men don’t get it. I’ve only recently come to recognize this truth. Seeing how an Alpha friend is raising his son has been like having a spotlight put on my own childhood and some of the things I was missing. My father was overworked and, for various reasons, was struggling with depression while I was growing up, and he just didn’t have enough day to day influence in raising me. I needed a stronger male role model but didn’t find it at my (feminized) schools or among my peer group.

    But at least my dad stuck around. I can’t imagine how much worse it would have been if I had been raised by a single mother.

    It takes a lot of effort to raise a boy into a man. And it has to be done by men, real men, not SWPL feminist loving beta types or empowered feminist single moms. Feminists are delusional. Men have the harder challenges in this life. And men must be taught how to rise to those challenges, face them and conquer them head on. We’re no longer teaching our boys to be anything but boys. Hell, most boys grow up without a father around to even try to teach them how to be men and face the challenges life will throw at them.

    Along those lines, men need to be able to act like men, not walk on eggshells trying to meet some stupid damn policy of political correctness. Political correctness and feminism has destroyed the work place. Just having women in the work place is often a wrench thrown into the gears of male cooperation. Male bonding and cooperation is the only reason anything gets done in society, but the precious little snowflakes never understand this.

    Add to this the fact that women often insist on being everywhere men are, and then imposing their stupid little PC rules on men. Men need to be able to get away from women at times. It’s hard to get women to understand this whether you’re dealing with a girlfriend (‘why are you going out with your friends tonight instead of ME?’) or with all of society (‘why can’t women be in this field like men?’).

    I’ve noticed that the strongest male bonds are formed in fields where women are rare due to natural disadvantages, i.e. construction, military, police, fire. These also happen to be the fields where SWPL beta boy behavior doesn’t last long. And where unit cohesion, cooperation, and productivity tend to be high. Women don’t help when it comes to male productivity.

    A.J. Travis – It is impossible to experience something like that and not doubt your worth as a human being. I defy any woman who is a 5 or above to get through any day (if you are not locked inside your house) where NOBODY says a word to you.

    I remember the first time I watched a female friend go through a divorce. At first she didn’t have a very large social circle and found herself spending nights at home alone. She literally could not handle being alone for 5 minutes. She had to have male attention, had to have a boyfriend, had to “go out”, had to be sexually admired constantly. I remember thinking “if this girl had my life she would kill herself or somebody else.” Not being acknowledged as a worthy sexual being for just one night was virtually enough to send her over the edge.

    She was cute with a decent body so it wasn’t long before she found the attention she needed, she just needed to find her social circle and go out. And then she literally rode a carousel of cock.

    (Stupid beta me…I know for a fact that just before the divorce I could have taken advantage of that, but I didn’t think it would be “right”. Back then there were a number of opportunities that I over analyzed and backed away from for “moral” reasons, as if I was trying to protect the women from their own carnal desires. I saw women as precious, pure little snowflakes and didn’t want to ‘dirty’ a woman outside of a ‘proper’ relationship. All the women did was go fuck somebody else. Man I’m angry over some of what I was taught as a teenage boy, stupid shit from idealistic women and beta role models about ‘respect’ and being a white knight. All crap.)

    Yeah, women have no idea what it’s like to be a man. Women say they hate being constantly hit on and flirted with, but when women are denied their daily dose of sexual worship things get ugly fast.

    I’ve often wondered what would happen if all men in the world suddenly had no sexual desire for, say, one week. Just a week of not giving a shit about women, flirting, or getting laid. I’m convinced that by the end of the week women would be going bat shit insane.


  151. lynch
    Obsidian, I finished season 1 a couple nights ago. Amazing. One of the best seasons/series I’ve ever seen.

    Are the subsequent seasons of The Wire of similar quality? Worth watching?

    Obsidian is the reigning authority of the Wire, but I’m on record as a huge, huge fan who’s see the show in its entirety.

    Short answer, IMHO Season 3 is as good as Season 1. Maybe, possibly a teensy bit better. Season 4 is up there as well, perhaps just a tad bit under Season 1 in quality.

    Season 5 suffers a bit from preachiness, but it is still pretty damn good and of course wraps up the many loose ends.

    Season 2 was my least favorite, but it’s still better than most of what’s on TV and introduces plot threads and elements that are necessary to fully appreciating the rest of the series.

    I’d recommend slogging through 2…don’t give up if it is a bit disappointing, and watch through 3. My guess is that after 3 you’ll want to see the rest of it just on principle.

    Peace.


  152. Rum,

    I have a bad feeling that his screed is real. This guy was in IT.. think about that one.

    Another question- Could you get more “free” action if you were a person making 100,000 + a year in a technically demanding profession or you were a drummer in a garage band even if both men looked the same.


  153. ”””””””Rum
    M. Aurielette

    I my first comment on this post I said that if there were not actual dead bodies here, I would have called this guys screed a hoax. Because this guy COULD communicate. He was not brillant, but he could express himself better than a lot of folks I know. I had trouble after reading the manifesto believing anyone who could explain himself at that level could not somehow manage to talk in a non-scary way to woman.”””””””””””””””

    Kind of like me I could see my whole life before me at 18 and was asking the question why?
    Why work a lifetime?
    Why give a fuck about money?
    Why care about eating?
    Why stay on the planet?
    I could not come up with any good reasons to stay after seeing my dad divorced other than I might go to hell.
    Which sure as shit ain’t a reason to stay it is just a little fear.


  154. -Obsidian-
    Speaks the truth.

    Boys need to be taught how to be men.
    Unless you are a natural you need to learn how to game women.

    Before the internet and mystery- there was nowhere for the average working man to go and learn these skills.
    There are no men’s support groups- and many are afraid and embarrassed to admit that they can’t get laid.

    I randomly stumbled upon “the game” in a book store, I learned of mystery, and the pua world- then that led me here, to this blog.
    I still remember that one day in the book store- I saw this book that looked like a bible- I had to open it, and once I began to read it I was in awe- it changed my life- my fucking entire life.
    This was just two years. Even after I read it- it took one year to sink in, that is when I began to game in earnest.

    If I hadn’t found the book “the game” I never would have learned or changed into a better and happier man.

    All of it a lucky chance.
    how many won’t get that chance?


  155. When was “the system” ever fair?


  156. LR-
    “Men don’t realize that we can take sex or leave it. It’s no biggie.”

    No stupid. We realize you don’t give a shit.

    To you sex has no value because you can get it whenever you want it.

    To those poor guys that you take advantage of on a daily basis, sex, even with an selfish bitch like you, is worth a great deal.

    If you don’t give it up to the pool of men who are trying to get you to give it up, they CAN’T just take it.

    Thanks for making my point.

    You are the poster girl of an entitled cock-tease.


  157. Gunslingergregi,

    While we may not agree on much, this guy certainly had balls.


  158. Lucifer I’ll come hang out with you and get you some woman all right. No biggie. If you make money we can get you some free bitches.


  159. al – So while women may not have a scientifically proven mystery method of game, there is a corollary that just as men have to be taught to be MEN women have to be taught to be WOMEN.

    The difference is that women can get sex regardless of their behavior. It takes a lot of effort to raise a girl into a woman worth having around as a LTR or a wife. But any girl, regardless of how well she was raised, can get sex as soon as she starts wanting it.

    Men must be raised to be men in order to get any sex. They must learn how to seduce and manage women. Men need game for sex. Women just need what they were born with.


  160. Rum:
    Because this guy COULD communicate. He was not brillant, but he could express himself better than a lot of folks I know. I had trouble after reading the manifesto believing anyone who could explain himself at that level could not somehow manage to talk in a non-scary way to woman.

    He could express his thoughts in writing. That’s not a substitute for being able to interact with people face-to-face, which seems to be where he had difficulty.

    In his screed he also mentions not having any friends, and also not coming in contact with anyone he wanted to be friends with.

    The guy was fundamentally broken, in a way that apparently prevented him from having even acquaintances, let alone friendships with other guys, let alone a healthy romantic relationship.

    If it were only about getting laid, clearly he could have done that. He was not repulsive and was sufficiently well-off enough to have paid for it, if the physical release were of primary importance. He had the means to secure a lay, which didn’t involve gunning down innocent people.

    If he couldn’t form an emotional connection to make some semblance of a male-female relationship happen, you can probably trace that back to how his family failed him, rather pin it on womenkind not putting out.

    If a man has no friends, none at all, that’s a serious warning sign.


  161. This guy was true alpha he shit on society and god and made his own rule and said I will not be on planet and followed through.


  162. A-Bax-

    I don’t disagree with most of what you are saying.

    I know we are not living in the just society that I describe.

    But I am no longer OK with that.

    I am working for something better, not with guns, but through other means.

    And in the meantime, I will point out the injustice when I see it, even if some don’t want to hear it.


  163. i can´t believe FK´s horror stories. They are too one-sided. if he is beta enough to be subject to such monstruous rejections, and the girls are slutty enough to reject him in such absurd way, he wouldn´t have got a date with them in the first place

    I bet that FK is a man, who was indeed rejected by girls he fell in love with during youth, but he is putting the entire blame on them. This is a female trait – transfer the entire blame – and shows one reason of his rejections. I, from my part, can describe in details when women cuckolded me, the reasons for it and the signs they gave before. If you don´t want to get burned, don´t play the game.


  164. Happygirl says:
    “When was “the system” ever fair?”

    I dont know the answer to that one.But I know this;”the system” sure had better become fair-er if those who benefit by/exploit it dont wanna get shot.

    Dont care about unfairness,girlie? Who cares about gunshot victims either?


  165. A.J. –

    Here’s an idea: sound angry and attack cyberstrangers instead of actually engaging logically with any counterarguments.

    Make it obvious that you will refuse to accept the validity of counterarguments simply because you don’t like them. Throw in some unsupported accusions (“you think that’s what you did, but you’re not that smart”) instead of concretely discussing the ideas at hand.

    Insist that you refuted counterarguments, as a substitute for actually refuting them.

    Sounds like a plan.


  166. I find it amusing that women who believe that genetic diversity is good for plants and animals (by having more genes available to respond to environmental factors) enthusiastically support a massive genetic bottleneck by having only a few men reproduce. Which tends to produce massive genetic flaws due to that bottleneck: inherited diseases, deformities, and the like. Not to mention fragile resistance to disease, environmental factors and the like.

    The problem is not, I think, with the random Chos or this guy (who I don’t know much about other than what people have posted here). It’s the withdrawal to indifference that men unconnected to women produce. Single mothers of course imply lots of single guys, who don’t give a damn about women and kids one way or another. Why is Cleveland such a dump? Because for fifty years, men didn’t care enough to fight for the city. Because they had no investment in it.

    The danger is probably gradual thuggery, as men respond to women’s incentives by a ‘short cut’ to Game, and massive DA-style withdrawals from society with men not caring. Ala the Cho incident or the Montreal Massacre, where men did nothing to stop the slaughter of their female classmates. In contrast with the Titanic, where women and children went first into the Lifeboats.

    The guy was clearly mentally ill (and knew it), had drinking problems, did manage to father a kid, and did have at one point some sort of relationship with a woman. Enforced celibacy will of course kick a number of these guys into Cho/Klebold/Harris like killing sprees. This will only re-inforce women’s desire for A-Lister Alphas or thugs, more “icky nice guy” stuff from women (totally predictable) and as a result, more guys figuring being a thug (this won’t be a lightswitch, a gradual process) is the easy path to women. The other thing is of course, men not caring.

    Far more dangerous than lone nuts is most men just not giving a damn about women.


  167. “We may expect male dysfunctionality to assume many forms under the distorting pressure of feminist innovation. Not all of this would involve violence, but all of it would tend to the entropic degradation of the world, and be marked by a state of false consciousness. I mean that men and boys would behave in chaotic or entropic ways because, for want of a guiding theory or conceptual roadmap, they wouldn’ t know what else to do! They would not recognize what was being done to them and, for want of an identifiable target, they would lash out randomly. This would be unhealthy for society and we could anticipate, in consequence, much suffering of the innocent.”

    http://counterfem.blogspot.com/2008/02/cf-is-more-predictive-than-prescriptive.html


  168. Happygirl-
    “When was “the system” ever fair?”

    You handle says it all.

    And why shouldn’t you be happy. “The system” is rigged in your favor and has been for at almost 100 years.


  169. ””””””””Ovid
    To all those of you who keep saying,”Sodini couldnt find a woman because he was obviously a nut,” I have a few questions.

    If he was such a nut,why did it take 48 years for his nuttiness to finally burst out?Wouldnt a bonafide nut go berserk well before?It makes more sense to say Sodini was driven nuts.The question then becomes;why,and by whom?”””””””’

    He probably already figured that shit out early. You can see how the fear of hell is what kept him slaving at a job on the planet. The government needs to have free condoned by media suicide rooms so that people who don’t want to be on earth can leave peacefully without having to blaze out.


  170. “The government needs to have free condoned by media suicide rooms so that people who don’t want to be on earth can leave peacefully without having to blaze out.”

    I once gave a speech arguing this very point to an auditorium full of college students and nearly started a riot.


  171. The difference is that women can get sex regardless of their behavior. It takes a lot of effort to raise a girl into a woman worth having around as a LTR or a wife. But any girl, regardless of how well she was raised, can get sex as soon as she starts wanting it.

    I think agree with sex part, assuming some basic non-trollness. To clarify, though, is this true even if she is a ballcutting succubus or has a ridiculous bitchshield, or are we assuming those are choices she makes that makes sex available with fewer men?

    I guess I was saying that as men sex is part (or totally) the end game and that women control it. I agree on that (the control part, I take y’alls word for the end game bit.) I was pointing out that if women’s goals are different than men, which I think they are, then women are also being taught wrongly. I’m not sure being inherently submissive or ‘feminine’ is easier than being inherently dominate or masculine. As men are being castrated by soceity, women are being (to a lesser extent) metoidioplasty. (*hand waves* I looked that up, you get the idea.)

    Or something like that it’s not just men who are being screwed, even if they’re bearing more burden now, or something. But I’ll let it go.


  172. on August 5, 2009 at 3:01 pm snatch magnet

    @Willard
    “Its you”

    Thanks man, it usually is.


  173. OH I definitely cared about how unfair this mess is to the families of the victims. You know, those women were probably some one’s wife or girlfriend. They were definitely some one’s little girl. But I really don’t see how this guy had such an “unfair” life, just because he “couldn’t” get laid by women up to his standards. OH and maybe one reason people didn’t sleep with guys in high school is because involved parents usually look down on a daughter for that type of stuff. I’m just saying. OH and I think the natural selection argument is stupid since it doesn’t seem like many on this board even want kids, heck it didn’t seem like this guy wanted the kid he may have had. Also, I’ve never known any feminist who was against the legalization of prostitution, but again it seems clear that this guy didn’t want to buy sex. Maybe he didn’t even know what he really wanted.


  174. Gunslinger,

    Sodini was clearly unbalanced,but something finally pushed him over the edge.Also,he could have simply commited suicide -every generation contributes its quota- but instead he lashed out against the lasses.Why?


  175. Now I want to address the Prostitution angle of this thing. By way of a little, but true, story from my life, since I just brought up The Wire a little while back.

    About 8 years ago, I worked for a Jewish family owned business, retail, that was a competitor to a national chain in the tri-state area. I was Number Two to the manager assigned two stores, one in NJ, the other in Philly.

    The son of the business was kinda like the VP, and would make the rounds. One day he sat in on a heated and passionate debate we were having. The question: whether to legalize drugs or not.

    He listened to both sides of the debate intently, and when the raucous finally died down, he simply said this:

    If the drug trade were legalized today, we ALL would be out of business tomorrow, along w/at least half of all the stores in this big assed mall, right off the bat. In fact, the death of the drugs trade would cripple the American Economy. There is a very good reason as to why drugs hasn’t been made legal-its because we can’t afford to. The money is too heavy now. Our economy cannot do without it.

    The end.

    We all sat in silence, contemplating heavily on his words.

    Now, having actually seen in excess of $100K on a dining room table-and keep in mind, I was still a teenager at the time-I think my old boss was 100% right. There aint no way in hell the drugs trade will EVER be made legit, because there’s just too much money in it.

    Now, what does that have to do w/our current discussion and prostitution? Simple.

    We will NEVER see prostitution legalized, for several very simple, yet powerful reasons:

    1. Because the most chivalrous, and often most “Alpha” of the males don’t want it

    And

    2. Most importantly, powerful Feminist lobbying interests don’t want it.

    Both work to prevent Men from exercising any real control over his reproductive and sexual lives. Prostitution, like mail order brides and the like, would greatly cripple other areas of the legal and economic sectors of the country that basically rely on keeping Men Without Game chained down on the reservation, so to speak. Less outright sexual competition for one thing, and for another, less chance of a diverting of assets from one group of Women to another.

    That discussion nearly a decade, among other things, really sharpened my thinking as to whenever I wanted to get to the root of a problem. I simply learned to ask-who benefits from this situation?

    Just some thoughts.

    O


  176. Aoefe—

    It’s hard to diagnose what this dude’s issues were in regards to his not being able to get laid. He could have had a personality disorder, been depressed or simply had impossibly high standards. I don’t believe its the latter simply because a man will lower standards for pussy (if what I read here is correct), not for an ltr but certainly for sex alone.

    I think it was the later in part probably. Yes MOST guys will lower their standards enough to get laid but not him very possibly. Not DA either remember. Note he may have had to lower his standards to a 4 or below, given how utterly little confidence with women he felt, and how zero game he had.

    He’s actually, I think, more than “not a bad looking man” as Roissy put it. He’s actually quite good looking and very trim for a man of 48. (We have a tendency to see in men’s looks what we know about them especially if it’s really bad, remember. It takes an effort to be objective when looking at him.) But small and slight I think.

    From his web diary it seems he was a shy, introverted, “nice guy” (until he snapped) milketoast wuzz, used to being bullied mercilessly by his older brother and also his mother. That carried on into and through school. He seems to have been introverted to the extent of being a loner, though he yearned for a wife. He seems to have been both short and slight, from his descriptions of his big brother being “twice his size”. He backed down and was differential and diffident it seems. Perhaps passive aggressive, although not social enough to be very good at it. The opposite of dominant. However he also doesn’t really seem to be submissive, in the sense of enjoying that in any way. He’s someone who always wished he could be a little dominant but was always intimidated and mostly afraid to try. I would also bet money he has a small and probably very small penis. Given all the porn these days that glorifies monster dicks and which essentially never even shows anything smaller than 7” and thick (considerably above the American average of 5.7”, like more than 1sd up probably), a male endowment well below average has a big effect on a lot of insecure male minds it seems. That’s all over the web. Particularly those with little experience as well, or some bad/belittling ones.

    Game will work for men of average intelligence (and up), for the attractive/unattractive and for the committed. I’m not sure it would work for a disturbed individual. Just sayin…

    After reading his fairly long, quite lucid and generally calm diary, he doesn’t strike me as crazy in any way, or even really disturbed. It’s easy to dismiss him as crazy – that avoids thinking hard thoughts. What he did wasn’t so irrational or incomprehensible given what he THOUGHT his prospects were of ever turning things around. If he’d discovered this site a couple of years ago he might have developed a whole lot more hope. The advantage of here over most PUA sites for someone like him is that it doesn’t just impart game tips, but a whole different way of understanding sexual attraction, sexual relations, and the genders’ respective motivations. His apparent lack of drive at work as well though doesn’t bode well for game actually turning him around much. At 48 he doesn’t seem to have any kind of supervisiory role at all in his while collar programming job of some sort at a law firm. Unless sexual depression has played a big role in his not caring there much.

    In most cultures he would have been “assigned” a wife. He’s sufficiently functional for that. Not an attractive one in looks or status or wealth. If his wife had much sex or any other kind of drive it wouldn’t have been a very happy marriage.


  177. OMG, lol…..Roissy I see the point you’re trying to make with this one, but in actuality it’s only showing how incredibly weak the male gender is. How unable to control their urges, and how utterly emotional they are.

    I wish to God I could watch you hit the wall. It’s going to be so entertaining for all of the beta house cleaning losers you’ve used all these years who get to watch it.

    Who thinks about sex and relationships that much? Who obsesses about being alone?

    Pick up a woman’s magazine. It’s hilarious to see a (clueless) woman paint this man as an example of male weakness. The dude was lonely and hopeless for 20 fucking years. NO woman could handle that. Most couldn’t handle lack of male attention for a couple of weeks without developing a life long eating disorder or some other major psychological problem.

    Men don’t realize that we can take sex or leave it. It’s no biggie.

    Women feel that way about sex because it’s always available to them. I guarantee you that you could not go 20 years feeling hopeless that you’ll never have sex again and remain sane. Being a woman you might not ever consider lashing out in a violent fashion, but you would be pretty fucked up in the head. (Worse than even now, believe it or not.) I’ve seen what just a short dry spell can do to a woman’s mentality, and it is sad.

    As whiskey often points out, you’re a perfect example of a clueless woman for everyone on this board to learn from. Men, take a good, hard look at LR’s posts. Women do not understand what men need. They therefore cannot raise boys by themselves (I feel sorry for your son LR), and should not be dictating social conduct through feminist laws and PC rules.


  178. -The Rookie-

    Most men will never learn about the existence of game.
    How can you learn about game- if you don’t even know that it exists in the first place?

    Most men will blindly follow the advice that women give them on how to court other women- and this will destroy them.
    The overwhelming majority of men will never learn of roissy or come to this website.
    Some may get lucky and stumble upon PUA by chance, but at what age?
    Probably not during their most formative years.
    I went through my 20’s before I knew any of this existed.


  179. on August 5, 2009 at 3:07 pm Seeking Alpha

    Obs

    If the drug trade were legalized today, we ALL would be out of business tomorrow, along w/at least half of all the stores in this big assed mall, right off the bat. In fact, the death of the drugs trade would cripple the American Economy. There is a very good reason as to why drugs hasn’t been made legal-its because we can’t afford to. The money is too heavy now. Our economy cannot do without it.

    What do you mean by this… it doesn’t make much sense? The drug trade isn’t that big a part of our economy. And if drugs were legalized, the market for them wouldn’t disappear. The volume would go up slightly while the price would go down.


  180. Time for me to step away from the keyboard for a while.

    This type of topic brings out the worst in me.


  181. “And why shouldn’t you be happy. “The system” is rigged in your favor and has been for at almost 100 years.”

    ___???? I haven’t been around for a 100 years, although you are right, I definitely like this time period more than I probably would have liked the previous 74 years.


  182. Obsidian–

    2. The WORST thing that can happen to a Man is coming into a good bit of money, because, unless he has some measure of Game already, it only serves to hurt him. One way or another. Sodini by all accounts, made a nice dollar and had no major expenses to speak of-yet, he was miserable.

    That’s nuts.

    Yeah you’ll do WAY better with game if you make a good income than without it, but with a given amount of game you’ll also get a hotter girl with money that without it. Esp. for ltr but not only.

    As well this guy’s probable income according to IT guys on here wasn’t that hot, not really upper middle class even.

    His 250k claimed net worth is probably mostly in retirement accounts. If it’s outside them maybe part of his problem getting girls was that he lived like a skinflint church mouse.

    Sometimes it seems you say things simply because they feel good to you.


  183. I totally relate to this…

    I’m 26 and still a virgin

    I have a job as a project management consultant, drive a decent car, buy nice clothes…6’3”

    and yet I’m still a virgin….I’m so tired of being celibate…its not funny…

    I just have no idea what I’m doing

    I even dropped 11k on cosmetic dentistry recently in hopes of helping me out…but I just don’t get it…


  184. […] of the bluster of pickup artists and “game” aficionados, but a glance at repugnablog Roissy in DC reveals a connection. In a post about the shooting, Roissy […]


  185. A.J.-

    Here’s my point. What sense does it make to complain about whether or not the “system” is fair unless you’ve done all you can using the data at hand?

    Fair, unfair… there is only what works and what doesn’t. If you ignore the data from the PUA community about male-female relations, it could be argued that you’re not fully doing your part in the male/female exchange.

    If you’re going to play by old rules and ignore the new ones, what sense does it make to complain?


  186. Men even with no game have to rely on what they already know from first hand experience(which on average isn’t much), some luck, and a heap of hoops (shit-test) to jump trought.

    Women on the other hand just have to open there legs in order to have sex.

    Game to a man on the brink of celibacy is like CPR to a man suffocating.


  187. Tim, have you read this blog for a while?


  188. I was pointing out that if women’s goals are different than men, which I think they are, then women are also being taught wrongly.

    Absolutely. Girls are not being raised into decent women who are LTR and wife material. Feminism promises to deliver to women what they want and need, but too many grow old only to find out it was all a lie.

    As a society we are not teaching our children the right things on many levels.


  189. ”””””’Ovid,
    3. 3. Net worth slightly more than $ 250K, (after all debt) as of end of 2008. Net worth slightly more than $250K, (after all debt) as of end of 2008.””””””””””

    ””””””’on August 5, 2009 at 3:02 pm Ovid
    Gunslinger,

    Sodini was clearly unbalanced,but something finally pushed him over the edge.Also,he could have simply commited suicide -every generation contributes its quota- but instead he lashed out against the lasses.Why?””””’

    Build up courage easier to pull trigger on someone else first because after that it is like ok fuck it you have gone to far to stop at that point. Plus makes more of a statment.


  190. Whiskey,
    You stole my thunder, brother-while we all dig on the Man Bites Dog aspect of the Attas, Chos and Sodinis of the world, the Silent Kill here are the guys who are just a shade meaner than Dave Alex, the guys who will simply not give a fuck about Women as a group. If the Titanic happened today, they’d be a whole helluva lot of Female Shark Food.

    This thing’s about to get deep for real in a minute. Y’all aint seen nothin’ yet…

    O


  191. Allright if there is anyone else with 250 g’s that doesn’t know how to change there lives please drop me an email.


  192. Erm, we haven’t heard from David Alexander lately. Maybe we should pass the hat around for a hooker for DA so he doesn’t go batshit and kill us all.


  193. Why do you think thugs really pull triggers on people for 20 bucks they are ready to leave planet and we don’t even show them mercy.


  194. on August 5, 2009 at 3:20 pm snatch magnet

    Willard, what’s your take on all this? Drop some science.


  195. Come on…are half of the men on this site even being serious? You think “game” will stop murder sprees? That it’s the manifesto at the center of what makes you a man?

    Let me tell you something. As a woman, I was not put here on earth to make. you. feel. like. a. man. No one, for all of our history, has ever given two shits about making women feel like PEOPLE. So why the hell do you feel as if women owe you sex and companionship just because you’re attractive and successful? This man shot up a fitness center–he writes racist and misogynistic blog entries. He’s obsessed with his own “game” in a way that drives at a narcissistic and slightly manic personality. Clearly, he had some major issues, and I would guess THIS is why he had allegedly not had a girlfriend in so many years…and rightly so. I’m certain you’re all selective about who you choose to date–let me guess: nice face, big breasts, legs for days, and no opinions on international politics? Well, if you get to choose who you give your “game” to, then we get to choose who we have sex with. And we’ll continue to avoid anyone with major personality and psychological problems like Sodini, as well as the ones like all of you who believe his actions of murdering innocent women were justifiable due to our constant rebuffing your sexual wiles.


  196. Dam that shit is fucked my upbringing caused me to work 15 years more than I would have done. Good job catholic upbringing you made another good slave for society woo hooo!!


  197. Game in BK

    I somewhat disagree. I think most have heard of it, but just don’t take it seriously. In fact, most guys I know have that reaction. I mentioned that somewhat on VK’s blog. As Roissy said, the more logical you are, the less likely you’ll believe it actually works. I’m willing to bet that this shooter heard of it and thought it was stupid.

    Tim

    Learn some game. If you can’t do it yourself, find a mentor. Pay someone. If you dropped $11K on dental work just to get bitches, drop a few hundred on a workshop or something.


  198. ”””””Really?
    Come on…are half of the men on this site even being serious? You think “game” will stop murder sprees? That it’s the manifesto at the center of what makes you a man?

    Let me tell you something. As a woman, I was not put here on earth to make. you. feel. like. a. man. No one, for all of our history, has ever given two shits about making women feel like PEOPLE.”””””””””””””

    Your are a retard please stay away form men. You are not the woman the people are referring too.


  199. ”””””Tim
    I totally relate to this…

    I’m 26 and still a virgin

    I have a job as a project management consultant, drive a decent car, buy nice clothes…6′3”

    and yet I’m still a virgin….I’m so tired of being celibate…its not funny…

    I just have no idea what I’m doing

    I even dropped 11k on cosmetic dentistry recently in hopes of helping me out…but I just don’t get it…””””””””””

    Your prob trying to pick up college bitches right?
    You need some hot fast food bitches.
    Will change your life.
    You need a trailer park bitch that will run your house for you.


  200. As well this guy’s probable income according to IT guys on here wasn’t that hot, not really upper middle class even.

    IT sucks and is not any where near upper middle class. If I could go back I would have chosen a dozen different careers before IT. But it’s not always easy to change and I haven’t even decided what I might change to yet.

    At least I’m self employed and can exert some influence over the projects I work on and my schedule. (Though being self employed poses its own sometimes painful challenges.) I (literally) couldn’t handle doing IT work in a cubicle. I would never, ever recommend IT to a kid entering college. It’s a one way ticket to being a middle/lower-middle class wage drone in a country that actively seeks to export your job.


  201. on August 5, 2009 at 3:27 pm snatch magnet

    @ Really?

    Actually I prefer to have my women with their vocal cords removed so I don’t have to hear the constant white noise of they’re ‘opinions’


  202. “Clearly, he had some major issues, and I would guess THIS is why he had allegedly not had a girlfriend in so many years…and rightly so.”

    Oh really?Why is it that guys with “major issues” like say,Charles Manson, have harems of adoring female companions?


  203. Save up 100k retire any more questions?
    e-mail me at my blog I will walk you through saving the hundred. I am on my third trip and almost done.


  204. Doug,
    W/all due respect, I should like to point something out to you.

    In White People’s Dollars, 250K ain’t much. But to Black folks, you done hit the jackpot. Seriously.

    Hands down, THEE BEST PLAYAS I KNOW don’t have much money. In fact, their Women take care of them. This is a lot more common in Black society than White, for the obvious reasons, which are many and varied. But I’m telling you something I know and have seen firsthand, not some feelgood stuff.

    Conversely, some of the guys I’ve ever seen with thee WEAKEST Game, were dudes who were rolling in cash, which again is contextual here. These are the guys who think they can just buy the pussy. They’re wrong-and they find this out the hard way when their girl is getting her back banged out by youngbuck w/no gig at all but is cute and got wicked Game. In fact, like Kanye said in Gold Digger, she buying shit w/HIS money, lol. I’ve seen it, firsthand.

    I bullshit you not.

    O


  205. A.J. Travis says, “A man who is a 5 should be able to have sex with a woman who is a 5. A man who is a 7 should be able to get a 7, etc.”

    They are able to. They just generally don’t want to.

    Guys say it, but they don’t seem to truly understand that women don’t care as much as men about looks. A male 5 is a middle income Joe Average without any major physical defects and passable looks. He doesn’t want a female 5, which is by the current rating, a passable looking woman of median safe breeding age. If only female 5’s are approaching him, he feels that life isn’t being fair to him.

    Lots of people “settle” for what they can get, but most of them feel bad about it, and whoever ends up being their partner bears the brunt of that.


  206. Obsidian is quite correct on the impact of a lot of guys priced out of the relationship market.

    The long term is pretty dim: stuff that happens on the Wire (fairly graphic from what I understand) will happen eventually in middle class White communities. Not all at once, and not everywhere, but most places.

    This guy was mentally ill, but seems to have been pushed over the edge by impending firing, and having nothing in his life but looking forward to loneliness. Urban life for men is not very fulfilling, it tends to produce loneliness (something Paul Schrader in Taxi Driver and other movies covered in depth). For women it’s the opposite — it allows them to go from one Alpha guy to another.

    Is this guy Travis Bickle? Bickle after all got “healthy” by blowing away the pimps and gangsters holding the tween girl semi-hostage, after his plan to assassinate the candidate went awry. But the movie clearly implied it was only temporary, that the city of NY itself made Bickle sick by dissolving human connections.

    Hell this guy seems right out of Travis Bickle. But like I said he’s not the main problem. There won’t be that many of him.

    What there will be, is a ton of guys who just won’t give a damn about women. At all. When LR is aged out of even cougar-dom, she will be as invisible to men (and women) as Bickle or this guy. Her son is likely to be somewhere on the beta or worse continuum. The most likely indicator of alpha-dom is the presence of a father in the home giving status.
    —————–
    For most guys, HS is hell — only the few early maturers do well. College, given booze, lowered inhibitions, a four year party, and favorable sex ratio (60-40 in some places women/men) that forces women to lower their standards are good times for most guys.

    Then there’s professional life, no status to speak of, in a city or workplace with no social network built-in like College, and no boozy mixers to get girls drunk enough to make plays for betas. It usually takes the late twenties before guys make enough cash, have enough maturity (Obsidian was dead right that men have to learn/earn becoming men) and enough experience with women to become moderately successful. There’s usually an overlay of bitterness to resentment at being lied to regarding women’s true nature, white knighting and so on promoted by the media, changing social conditions (making a parental model obsolete) and just plain unhappiness about years of enforced celibacy.

    [I will say women DO need teaching how to be women, which mostly involves putting the breaks on the bad-boy urges. Even smart Lizzie Bennet in Pride and Prejudice falls hard and heavy for bad-boy gigolo Wickham, knowing what he is anyway, and rejects Mr. Perfect Mr. Darcy. However, she wins because she puts the breaks on the bad-boy tingle, and doesn’t screw everything up by having sex with said bad boy.]

    As for looks, the most bewitching and intensely sexual woman I knew was a 6 at best. She was, however, blessed with “it” and any guy who came into contact with her got entranced. At least until negatives like her personality came into play. I’ve met women who were mere 6-7 at best who radiated sex, and those who were near 10 who seemed asexual (though “cute”) and complained not enough “good” guys approached them, just d-bag a-holes.


  207. on August 5, 2009 at 3:31 pm Once Touchless

    One thing that must be said is that the man wasn’t just missing sex. He was missing touch!

    He was touch deficient and it is a bigger problem than lack of sex. When a man goes without the touch of a woman’s soft hand, he is hopeless. I once went 3 years with barely any female contact. It is the worst feeling in the world. It is unimagineably bad; you wish every day you were dead. Sexual urges can be semi-satisfied through masturbation, but nothing can redress a lack of touch. Your humanity is never acknowledged, your life is nothing but suffering.

    I clearly remember one day when it had been more than 8 months since I had touched a woman. My secretary gave me a great big extended hug. As pathetic as it sounds that was such an awesome moment. The feeling of a woman against you is very, very powerful. Even a hug from a woman 20 years older can give you some tiny hope that you can figure your life out and find a partner. My situation was not so different from the shooter’s. I had a great job, was in great shape, was an amazing conversationalist in general, and was not ugly. However, for whatever reason, I was terrible with women. I was so paranoid about rejection that on many occasions I didn’t follow-up with women who basically told me they wanted to screw right then. I was a sad case, but still a human with great love to offer. Today, I am happily married and my life couldn’t be better. But I know the pain the shooter must have felt. I also know that he must have suffered from a severe lack of touch which would leave him completely and utterly hopeless. For a lack of touch means your humanity is never acknowledged; you are so unworthy that a hug is deemed “too much” for you.


  208. Also, A.J. Travis:

    You say women will never know the loneliness men feel because we don’t initiate flirting with you (based on your experiiment with your female friend)?

    Then you probably will also never know the irritation of being hit on when all you want to do is go about your daily routine. Walking to your car in the parking lot of your office building, buying a birthday card for your father, asking “Are you in line?” at the check-out in the grocery store..THIS is a uniquely female experience. In no way are we ASKING for you to hit on us or come up and try to flirt in these situations. We are not dressed in provocative clothing; we are not presenting a posture or walk suggestively in your direction; we are not standing at a bar making eyes at you across the room. Your attention is uncalled for and unneeded when I am trying to buy a tube of toothpaste at Kroger, or mail a letter at the post office. Perhaps it is really that we just have more respect for you as a human being to not treat you in the same way you treat us…there’s something for you to consider when analyzing your experiment’s very scientific data.


  209. IT sucks? If you live somewhere worth living, an intermediate developer can easily make 100k a year. I know senior developers making 150k. I don’t even want to know what my team lead makes. If you don’t make much money in IT, it’s likely you don’t have a degree, and don’t have any in-demand skills.


  210. Whenever I read or hear “As a woman” I know something self-serving and likely false will follow.

    Here’s a tip to all the ladies out there: Just make your point….or just state your opinion. If you have to preface it with “as a woman”, the unspoken implication is that what follows can’t really stand on its own merits.

    Even if you’re talking about your menstrual cramps or your foggy emotional state, don’t preface it with “as a woman”. You might as well say “feel free to dismiss what I’m about to say”.


  211. Mandy XD

    I hear most guys lamenting that there is nothing for men to offer women anymore nowadays; at least not in the traditional sense. A man can’t offer to provide for her, what with all these power women (”I don’t need a man!”) providing for themselves.

    Why isn’t that and much else a strong argument for reversing affirmative action for women and giving it to men instead? As well as having national campaigns extolling traditional sex roles or things in between (part time or less time work for many women), without forcing that, and national campaigns to increase relative male college enrollment?

    Not baring women in the workplace or from any high position there, and certainly nothing to prevent super talented women from rising, but steps that would promote family formation and stability.

    Consider also that most inventions and truly creative works are still by men, by a wide margin. There’s been plenty of time for that to have been changing a lot but it hasn’t been nearly as much as women’s heavily bureaucratic employment including at quite high levels. Staff all over the place. Line way less. A lot of these high IQ guys are beta nerds. Shouldn’t society care about creating or rather restoring a provider earnings differential or gradient for men so that the real prospect of attracting a decently attractive wife can motivate them?

    Guys as far gone as this one wouldn’t be helped much if he didn’t learn some game, but others would.

    Remember that these issues impact the divorce rate as well.

    I know you agree with me about elimating affirmative action generally. But if we’re going to have it anywhere, why shouldn’t it be for men?


  212. Really?

    Of course more sex (better game) would mean fewer murder sprees by guys like Sobini. That one is a no-brainer. Most murders thruout history have been related to pussy, one way or the other.
    No one (or very few, actually only one) person here has ever said that women have any obligation to put out.


  213. on August 5, 2009 at 3:36 pm Hofmann's Problem Child

    Fuck the haters. I am also a good-looking guy (so I have been told) and I totally understand the loneliness this guy felt, the indifference women display to introverted, nice guys. (I am trying hard to change, though).

    So his genes should have been weeded out? Except ancestors of his with his personality type managed to pass their genes in previous eras.

    The difference then was that intelligent introverts could use their intelligence to kill off alpha bullies with cunning. Today the courts and law enforcement complex will throw the beta to jail for retaliating against school bullies (as they deserve) and low-IQ thuggish alphas getting the majority of the super-hot chicks.

    While betas brought civilization, civilization will take down the betas.

    This guy is a fucking HERO. I salute him. Had he not done it, his cries would have been ignored by society. Let this be a wake up call.


  214. Gunslingergregi:

    @Really?:
    “Your are a retard please stay away form men. You are not the woman the people are referring too.”

    Clearly. You are right…two bachelor degrees and having mastered basic grammar and spelling principles make me so undesirable and inferior to men. Should have warned the boyfriends who bedded me to go to a clinic…hopefully they don’t catch the retard. You win again, oh great one!


  215. AJ Travis ” experience with a female friend” is so obviously a lie that I am amazed as how many people fell for it

    just because you have seem it written on your screen it doesn´t mean that it is true

    Approach anxiety usually is men´s greatest obstacle. AJ wants me to believe there are alphaseverywhere so that a 5 gets approached 100 times a day?????


  216. on August 5, 2009 at 3:38 pm Cannon's Canon

    some commenters are really showing their inner beta today

    labeling this man an “evil loser” and such, just on principle

    i have practically come to peace with the concept of killing people without motive. the mental exercise is figuring out if you can live with your own guilt, as you will ultimately have no one else to confide in. it is similar to when i debated using steroids for the first time: could i live without being “all-natural” for the rest of my life? i felt guilty at first when addressing the idea, then over a few years, i rationalized it and followed through. much easier than killing though, because i had plenty of confidantes.

    this guy, of course, did have a blanket motive.


  217. Obsidian–

    Hands down, THEE BEST PLAYAS I KNOW don’t have much money. In fact, their Women take care of them. This is a lot more common in Black society than White, for the obvious reasons, which are many and varied.

    Yeah and it’s a social disaster. It HEAVILY saps male inventive and other energies away from socially productive applications. It’s thoroughly degenerate.

    There’s good reason why this is taboo and widely scorned by both sexes in white and Asian society. May we work to have it remain so. Else the engine upon whom all in this country depend wind down.


  218. on August 5, 2009 at 3:39 pm Seeking Alpha

    Is @Really the only “screeching, flapping twatstorm of [a] jezebeler” that is coming today or do we have a much more controversial post in the works?

    Because she is a pretty tame, boring one.

    [editor: perhaps they came, they read, and they agreed? or maybe they all spontaneously orgasmed upon sight of my wonderworks and in their pleasurable spasming couldn’t muster the fine motor control to post a scathing comment.]


  219. “…two bachelor degrees…”

    Yeah,you really are stupid.Keep posting though,I love a good farce.


  220. Lucifer:

    “The alpha, beta, omega concept cannot coexist with the world we have now, and we cannot reverse time. Humans will either adapt or perish because of their stupidity. I don’t care..”

    I understand your point about technology neutralizing the alpha/beta construct, to some degree. Physical prowess and brutality no longer strictly determine a man’s ability to provide.

    But doesn’t it seem more likely that humanity will ultimately adapt than perish? Won’t the instinct to survive always take final authority?


  221. Obsidian–

    They’re wrong-and they find this out the hard way when their girl is getting her back banged out by youngbuck w/no gig at all but is cute and got wicked Game. In fact, like Kanye said in Gold Digger, she buying shit w/HIS money, lol. I’ve seen it, firsthand.

    Again more black than white society but it’s definitely spreading to white with our current feminst divorce laws and diverse media culture.

    I certainly agree that a guy with money need game too. Lots of it.

    I also think he should be able to punish the cheating bitch by totally cutting her off. With nada. As it has always been, unless she was the one coming with the fat dowery, etc. Even then he could just give it back. Or for her cheating it would often be forfeit to him.


  222. Sodini’s Aug. 3 online diary entry, which included a date of death…

    hahaha – fucking pussy dago.

    legalize prostitution now.

    give joe’s mom a job


  223. ””””””””””””’Really?
    Gunslingergregi:

    @Really?:
    “Your are a retard please stay away form men. You are not the woman the people are referring too.”

    Clearly. You are right…two bachelor degrees and having mastered basic grammar and spelling principles make me so undesirable and inferior to men. Should have warned the boyfriends who bedded me to go to a clinic…hopefully they don’t catch the retard. You win again, oh great one!’
    ””””””””””’

    I am a great one.

    One question.

    Are you retired?


  224. Hofmann
    How is this guy a hero? He killed other people’s family members. Seriously, I’m sure if this guy had killed your wife you wouldn’t call him a hero. Again, this seems to be about not getting a certain “level” or “type” of woman that you are suppose to have.

    Heck, at the college I went to many girls were looked upon as failures if they didn’t have that ring by mid junior year. Girls would straight up go to my University because of its record of people getting married (11 percent).

    One girl was so in love w/my husband by that she lost 75lbs, started smoking, and got a nose job. He was a shy guy w/a lot of friends (and she was one of his best friends at first) but he seriously never knew she was in love with him, and she seriously thought he wouldn’t date a heavier girl. I know not all colleges are like this, but it is pretty easier to find out what colleges are like this, or what cities are full of single women.


  225. “One thing that must be said is that the man wasn’t just missing sex. He was missing touch!

    He was touch deficient and it is a bigger problem than lack of sex.”

    A few years ago, someone ran with that idea and created possibly one of the creepiest/weirdest businesses to cash in on it, the Cuddle Party. A more elegant solution, in my opinion, would be to find some European or Brazilian women and become casual friends or acquaintances with them. That way, a “touch deficient” man can at least get to brush cheeks with some pretty women. Plus, the language/cultural gaps might obscure the negative social cues a “touch deficient” American man might give off to American women.


  226. Arpagus

    George Sodini is an MRA hero as much a reason to learn game. Finally a mass murderer writes a relatively coherent manifesto. Could be better, but at least it is implied that feminism is to blame and he is taking a last stand. I had been waiting for this (almost thinking I had to do it myself) and I am impressed. Kudos.

    Listen asshole, you do nothing but damage to the MRA cause with stupid stuff like this.

    Maybe you should be peremptorily thrown into prison.


  227. @Really: “No one, for all of our history, has ever given two shits about making women feel like PEOPLE.”

    That’s something, particularly considering the context of this post, that can only be answered with art:


  228. on August 5, 2009 at 3:48 pm Cannon's Canon

    doug flashing beta, for example


  229. ”””””””doug1
    Arpagus

    George Sodini is an MRA hero as much a reason to learn game. Finally a mass murderer writes a relatively coherent manifesto. Could be better, but at least it is implied that feminism is to blame and he is taking a last stand. I had been waiting for this (almost thinking I had to do it myself) and I am impressed. Kudos.

    Listen asshole, you do nothing but damage to the MRA cause with stupid stuff like this.

    Maybe you should be peremptorily thrown into prison.”””””””””””””””’

    Why doug men dieing for a reason is what will change the system. Nothing else is gonna work.


  230. on August 5, 2009 at 3:51 pm snatch magnet

    “legalize prostitution now

    give joe’s mom a job”

    ahahahahhahahahha.. hilarious


  231. ironrailsironweights

    Why does he wait until the very end of the diary before mentioning that he has a child?

    Peter

    [editor: because he secretly feared it was not his child.]

    Interesting theory, however, it does appear to be a part of the settling of accounts many men undertake prior to suicide. Also, before he was sure about his plan, he may not have wanted to pay 18 years of back child support, which would probably erase about half of his net worth.

    Whatever the case, I hadn’t considered the idea that he may not have mentioned it due to there being some question as to whether the child was his. Glad you brought it up.


  232. Really — I doubt you’d complain if it was George Clooney, or Brad Pitt, or Leo Dicaprio bothering you in line. Because it’s “icky, low status betas” it’s terrible.

    It’s like the Tom Brady sexual harrassment skit on SNL. Women LOVE to be approached by top Alphas. If Brady and Clooney pestered you could not get enough of it. It’s the guys who look like George Costanza who frost your mug.

    Well, you only have yourself and fellow women to blame. The average guy won’t do well in bars and other places where looks and instant Tom Brady status predominate. So they’re CONSTANTLY on the prowl and will approach EVERY woman with a pulse who is between 18-40, 5 and above. Hoping to get lucky one time out of 200.

    If you don’t like that, you better change the marketplace. Create lots of mediated, day-meet places where the sexes dance and mingle and “vouching” means as much as how the bad boy tingle down there makes you feel. Then men won’t approach you on the street — they don’t like it any more than you do, since their rejection rate is probably 90% and it’s humiliating. They’ll have a safe alternative and men would love to make three approaches, and succeed once, for a fail rate of “only” 66%, vs. a 90% fail rate and literally thousands of rejections.

    But you like the system, the way it is, so you’ll just have to take the good with the bad. Picking up Tom Brady types in bars and what have you guarantees that men will hit on you all the time. Until you are no longer pretty — which will happen sooner than you think.

    Then men will ignore you like your mother gets ignored. Study her. That’s your future.


  233. on August 5, 2009 at 3:53 pm Kick a Bitch

    ya know, something about LR makes me want to corn-hole her.


  234. on August 5, 2009 at 3:53 pm Seeking Alpha

    [editor: perhaps they came, they read, and they agreed? or maybe they all spontaneously orgasmed upon sight of my wonderworks and in their pleasurable spasming couldn’t muster the fine motor control to post a scathing comment.]

    Might explain why Keith hasn’t said anything either.


  235. Maybe I’m missing something here but someone else must have opined that the reason this guy couldn’t get laid was because he was fucked in the head.


  236. @ smoothvirus

    …pretty much what I said.


  237. Kick a bitch: “ya know, something about LR makes me want to corn-hole her.”

    Dr Lupo has it figured out for you: it’s her face.


  238. on August 5, 2009 at 3:57 pm Kick a Bitch

    i think dude was on to something


  239. @ Ovid

    Because the Manson girls were equally screwed up. Read “Helter Skelter” if you want a real look into their life at Spahn Ranch…they were all nuts.


  240. on August 5, 2009 at 3:57 pm Kick a Bitch

    huh… i wouldn’t mind dropping a load on her face as well. i bet she’s into that sort of thing too


  241. I certainly couldn’t wade through the whole discussion, but this kind of polarity of behavior is really just cumulative sexual frustration. After my first real break up, my mood was on the whole dampened through not having a sexual outlet, and that was by choice. I can’t imagine being unable to get laid.

    I often feel sorry for nice, quality, moderately attractive guys who just can’t get a girlfriend because of social ineptitude. Or lack of game. Or whatever you want to call it. I’ve often thought about doing those sorts of men out of pity. Meanwhile, dog-faced whales can still get cock.


  242. “…pretty much what I said.”

    Hey bozo,get a load of this:

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/s_k_groupies/3.html


  243. Really?,

    Actually, I can relate to Women’s unfortunate experience of being approached unwarranted by Men.

    Just last week, while out on a nice evening bus ride coming back from the avenue w/my Brown Sugah, a Woman grabbed for my crotch by calling herself falling on me. She did it several times, in plain view of my Woman, and several other passengers.

    I’ve also been blatantly hit on by Women in the presence of my Woman, and I didn’t like it. Mainly because crass behavior, especially coming from Women, turns me off.

    I’ve been propositioned numerous times down through the years by Women, almost all of them unwarranted. I have no problem saying that it left me feeling quite violated, to say the least.

    The problem is though, that there aren’t any places where Women and Men can get together *with the express understanding that the former will be approached by the latter*. There aren’t any more church socials. The bar and club have replaced this, w/its Everyman/woman for his/her self themes. As w/all pyramid schemes, it works for the few, at the often painful expense of the many.

    O


  244. or maybe they all spontaneously orgasmed upon sight of my wonderworks and in their pleasurable spasming couldn’t muster the fine motor control to post a scathing comment.

    Ok, now I want to see that casual connections picture.

    I hate to agree with whiskey, since he is so fond of the generalizations/hyperbole, but, as much as it hurts me to say it:

    If Brady and Clooney pestered you could not get enough of it. It’s the guys who look like George Costanza who frost your mug.
    I agree.


  245. whiskey

    As for looks, the most bewitching and intensely sexual woman I knew was a 6 at best. She was, however, blessed with “it” and any guy who came into contact with her got entranced. At least until negatives like her personality came into play. I’ve met women who were mere 6-7 at best who radiated sex, and those who were near 10 who seemed asexual (though “cute”) and complained not enough “good” guys approached them, just d-bag a-holes.

    I’ve seen this before as well. Some women have sex appeal out of proportion to their looks.

    Shakespeare’s “Dark Lady” was one of these, apparently.

    However, when you get the incredibly rare combination of extremely good looks and mystical sex appeal you have the kind of woman who can wreck empires (Cleopatra, Helen, etc.).


  246. Roissy–

    I agree with the gist of what commenter Whiskey has written — as the West reverts back to the ancestral sexual market that is currently in operation in sub-Saharan Africa, we are going to see a growing eunuchracy of involuntarily celibate betas and the marginalized men in their ranks decide that exiting in a blaze of hot lead beats living in loveless obscurity.

    In the large majority of the most primitive tribes in all kinds of ecosystems, most men eventually get wives. Further the getting of a wife is rarely left totally up to her gina tingles. It’s instead often largely a tribal decision dependent on his social and warrior and maybe hunting status within the tribe and then his choice. Roughly analogous to status and money today. Though he might not want to choose someone really unhappy about it, but she’ll be propagandized big. Most societies have been somewhat polygamous in what they allow for the highest status men, but as well the great majority of marriages within them have been monogamous or serial monogamous, as is true in Islam today, where less than 3% of marriages are polygamous.

    As well girl stealing was often the major reason for tribal warfare in primitive tribes. The stolen girls didn’t get to choose their mates most often. (They also might not end up staying with the first one though.)

    The gina tingle method of solely girl choice mate selection from a socially almost unrestricted range of the male population has never been as true anywhere in human history, that I’m aware of. We are in uncharted territory. If we are in a throwback to ancestral conditions, they are probably more pre homo sapiens monkey ancestral ones, rearing up in girls’ hindbrains, as all social restraints most cultural ones are for ideological reasons taken off and allowed – for the first time as humans ever.


  247. “If you don’t like that, you better change the marketplace. Create lots of mediated, day-meet places where the sexes dance and mingle and “vouching” means as much as how the bad boy tingle down there makes you feel.”

    Don’t these options already exist? E.g., church brunches, the “It’s Just Lunch” dating service, etc.


  248. hahaha – fucking pussy dago.

    legalize prostitution now.

    give joe’s mom a job

    Haha, that was actually funny for once. Guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ;)


  249. on August 5, 2009 at 4:08 pm Hofmann's Problem Child

    No sympathies. Let society fall and perish.

    One issue not identified on this site is the way bright and gifted kids are forced into the same closed environment as low-IQ aggressors from a very early age. The current school system obviously did not exist in prehistoric times, in which a high-IQ introvert could EASILY dispatch the low-IQ aggressor in a socially approved manner — the bully simply disappeared, and no one gave a fuck, or if they did, they figured, given the primitive system of justice, that the bully deserved it somehow.

    Yes, they will call this beta a monster, call him mentally ill — fuck all you bipolar/Aspie hypocrites — because he simply did not tolerate the intolerable.

    It’s destiny at work — the world has a reason for everything. People don’t shoot up buildings, women and alpha fucks for kicks.


  250. on August 5, 2009 at 4:09 pm Once Touchless

    –Therefore since my son and I have a good normal relationship, the chances of him being “messed up” are actually really slim. (mostly because I don’t have BAD male influence in his life at all)–

    Pure fucking idiocy. Men raise boys not women. Christ, do you ever watch the Discovery Channel? When juvenile male elephants mature without adult male oversight they go crazy and act violently towards all. It is the same in humans. Dad is incredible important because without Dad, the house only has the weak mother. Mom may be strong but she is always irrational. Any woman who denies her children a father figure is a bitch. The fact that you do so, indicates that you care not for the truth or your own children. You care only for yourself and are willing to distort reality to satisfy your emotions.

    –A more elegant solution, in my opinion, would be to find some European or Brazilian women and become casual friends or acquaintances with them. That way, a “touch deficient” man can at least get to brush cheeks with some pretty women. Plus, the language/cultural gaps might obscure the negative social cues a “touch deficient” American man might give off to American women.–

    The normal hugs from Brazilians are great. But my guess is that the man would not have the courage or confidence to overcome his American upbringing to enjoy a hug. He would refuse. Then he would build up the confidence to go for the hug, but it would be too late after months of refusal. I speak from experience on that issue as well. It so hard when you are introverted but good yet get nothing. Then you have to listen to bitches “dog” men in your position. The shooter decided that he couldn’t overcome his inhibitions to meet women and that life was not worth the suffering. So he made a statement. The dumb ass women on this website cannot grasp that a society built around the emotional demands of women is going to prove unstable.


  251. Sodini?

    I think not.

    notice david alexander and lilgirl haven’t posted here since the tragic event.

    coincidence?

    i’d say it was finefantastic! but that Government Vicodin works wonders for gnarly canucks.


  252. 50 rounds and only 3 dead women? Pfft, that the best you can do America? Looks like my high score still stands:


    Marc Lépine (October 26, 1964 – December 6, 1989) was a 25-year-old man from Montreal, Quebec who murdered fourteen women and wounded ten women and four men at the École Polytechnique, an engineering school affiliated with the Université de Montréal, in “the Montreal Massacre”, also known as “the École Polytechnique massacre”.


  253. Joe quipped:

    hahaha – fucking pussy dago.

    legalize prostitution now.

    give joe’s mom a job

    Haha, that was actually funny for once. Guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ;)

    hey joey – I really didn’t know you appreciated whop jokes.

    you’re ok


  254. S. opined:

    I’ve often thought about doing those sorts of men out of pity.

    damn. i have a new
    job opening just
    tailor made
    for you

    how do you feel about black midgets?


  255. “Do you have a point? ’”

    Yes. Reductio ad absurdum.


  256. Obsidian, women may be the gatekeepers of consensual sex, but men are the actual gatekeepers of sex.

    With the exception of a very few societies that purposefully instructed women in the martial arts and defense of their fellow women, men have been the ones deciding who has access and who doesn’t.

    So a lot of the problem is that feminism and social movements leading up to it, let men off the hook on a family/clan level, and women are deciding who to and not to have sex with, largely with little or no male guidance or enforcement power.

    So for the most part, men have sold their chances of getting a good wife for the very slight chance of getting a few bangs from a hot chick.

    :: passes the popcorn ::


  257. @ Hofmann’s & Once Touchless:

    Some reasons are more valid than other reasons. Some ‘statements’ are more valid than other ‘statements’.

    The Virginia Tech shooter also had his reasons and statements. Charles Manson had reasons and statements. Et cetera.

    “dumb ass women on this website cannot grasp that a society built around the emotional demands of women is going to prove unstable.”

    This is absolutely true. But it does not change the fact that society is made up of accountable individuals. Clearly, most betas are not reacting to the sexual marketplace the way this man did. So you have to wonder if one can really use his actions as a litmus test for where society is headed.


  258. IT sucks? If you live somewhere worth living, an intermediate developer can easily make 100k a year. I know senior developers making 150k. I don’t even want to know what my team lead makes. If you don’t make much money in IT, it’s likely you don’t have a degree, and don’t have any in-demand skills.

    The industry averages are in the 75K – 100K range with degree and “in demand” skills. I’ve done a lot of contract work and I actually think those averages sound high based on what I’ve seen. Though there could be selection bias in my observations, i.e. I’m getting contract jobs at places which won’t pay enough to get full time employees who can handle the more technical and difficult work which ends up handed off to me. The places that pay more don’t seek my services because they have people who can handle all their needs.

    Having said that, even $150k in a place that’s worth living isn’t much. $75k, closer to the true average, is nothing. You cannot have a house, wife, and kids on $75k a year in most places that have a decent demand for IT work. I have a friend in another field who makes $120k a year and his wife just went back to work because they weren’t making it. Shit, to have a nice existence where I live requires at least $120k a year for a single man, and that would still be considered middle class at best. I don’t personally know anyone in IT with an upper middle class existence. Anyone. Granted the housing market has imploded, but during the 90’s and most of the 2000’s I had friends and family in housing (construction, escrow, real estate) who could buy and sell IT workers all day long, and they didn’t need college degrees or debt to do it. Watching them it slowly dawned on me that I was no where near upper middle class, and probably never would be in IT short of a miracle (i.e. a valuable patent or hit software product that I create and license).

    Hell, the plumber who recently fixed my house and sounded like he dropped out of high school pulls more per hour than anyone I know in IT.

    I know there are places in the country where the kind of money available in IT buys a lot more, but then those places don’t tend to have a high demand for IT, or pay those salaries for what IT work is available.

    What’s not captured in the salary statistics is the number of guys who have been laid off and are unable to find any more full time work. I know plenty of IT people who have left the field for this reason. It’s an odd field to me because as jobs were exported and/or visa workers imported, salaries didn’t drop as much as one might expect. Instead people just found themselves completely out of work.

    My other warning regarding IT is going to make me sound a little spoiled, but it’s the way I feel about it: most of the work is just boring and repetitious. Every once in a while I’ll get a project which reminds me of why I loved programming in HS and college. But the stuff that pays the bills is the same old business database / web site / intranet app / “me to” BS over and over again. Only the select few get to work on stuff that’s cool, challenging, and exciting. I guess that’s true of any field though.

    Back to the main point, there’s not a good future in IT, at least not in this country. Foreign competition will continue to erode the market. Again, I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. (HS has written on this topic a few times and I think would concur.)


  259. Nicole,

    …what?


  260. IT is for losers. it sucks.

    What hi iq fuck wants to take credit for the outstanding job he did

    on Windows Vista


  261. “Manhood is a SKILL”

    I wish that had been written on my bedroom wall in foot-tall letters when I was growing up.

    I thought Game in BK was writing my biography way up above. When I was 18 and in college, girls used to say I looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger. This was about the time he was in Predator, so I’d say that was a compliment. But they didn’t want to sleep with me, because I was “too nice.” Fifteen years later, 60 pounds heavier with far less hair, and so broke the only date I could offer was a rented movie in my bedroom, I had far more luck with women because I finally learned some game. (Nowhere near mastered it, just learned a little.)

    Attitude is everything for a guy who’s even halfway ordinary. Whether it could have helped this nut, who knows.


  262. ””””””’My other warning regarding IT is going to make me sound a little spoiled, but it’s the way I feel about it: most of the work is just boring and repetitious. Every once in a while I’ll get a project which reminds me of why I loved programming in HS and college. But the stuff that pays the bills is the same old business database / web site / intranet app / “me to” BS over and over again. Only the select few get to work on stuff that’s cool, challenging, and exciting. I guess that’s true of any field though.””””””

    Got to save money and move past the bs. I mean you can ge an apartment in nyc for 800 a month. You could share and get it cheaper. So really it is your choice about this nice lifestye. How the fuck could it ever be a nice lifestyle if you are always accountable to some bs.


  263. I’m trying to think of how to turn this thing back…

    I’m thinking there should be a male epiphany day or something, during which the men of every family gather together to talk about how they are going to rein in their women.

    Maybe it can’t start out with a violent veto reminder…just talk about how you really feel about say, your mom showing any cleavage, or your sister going to clubs.

    Guys should get really really honest about how they feel about the behavior of the women in their families, and stop hiding because it’s not politically correct.

    It means the women are probably going to tell you how unfair you’re being…so for awhile, maybe humor them. Tell them that if they give up acting like sluts, you’ll give up chasing sluts. Something. Anything to get the sanity back.


  264. Ghost of Nicole

    So for the most part, men have sold their chances of getting a good wife for the very slight chance of getting a few bangs from a hot chick.

    yep – that Anniston marriage thing worked out well for that poor, choiceless Brad Pitt

    poor bastard, relegated to consoling himself with Angelina’s lips on his cockhead

    mout

    today – this place is as lively as a VT reunion


  265. @ Cannon’s Cannon:

    ? What pretty lie did I purvey? Honestly curious. Maybe you disagree with something I wrote, fine. But which pretty lie did I promulgate? Specifics please.


  266. Firepower, the internal politics of whores and gigolos are not my concern.


  267. I dress good, am clean-shaven, bathe, touch of cologne – yet 30 million women rejected me – over an 18 or 25-year period. That is how I see it.

    hey michael vick still gets tons of pussy – mssr. Slaydini should’ve learnt a valuable social skill – like tossing a ball around – if he wanted hordes of hot, intelligent female labia seeking his cock.


  268. @ Cannon:

    The only pretty lie I might have purveyed is that humanity could adapt to the shifted sexual paradigm rather than perish.

    What can I say, hope keeps me going.


  269. I guarantee you that you could not go 20 years feeling hopeless that you’ll never have sex again and remain sane.

    Been there. Doing it. Wearing the t-shirt even as I type.

    A poster upthread commented about taking one’s focus from the sexual arena and applying it to other areas of life. Yes. That’s what you do to remain sane.

    It works. And it IS work.


  270. Ghost of Nicole

    Firepower, the internal politics of whores and gigolos are not my concern.

    so, what are you doing here? loosen up. don’t be so frigid


  271. Huh? Dude, I’m 28 I can’t be a cougar.

    ROTFLMAO!

    Second, I could care less if men or women pay attention to me because unless they have something to offer me, other people are relatively useless in the sense of what you’re saying here.

    You’re an attention whore, something that is obvious to everyone here.

    Furthermore, how would my son end up Beta when I openly oppose beta-ness and lazy people?

    Your son will end up beta because there is no father in his life. It takes a man to raise one.

    Check the stats. They don’t lie.

    Ever read what the stats say about boys raised by single mothers?


  272. looking from the 60s, the world certainly looked like a very bad place. After almost 50 years, no one can deny that:

    women are amoral and fickle creatures largely incapable of having political rights. Rome considered women at the same level of children in political rights. The Romans were correct.

    Blacks should not have free movement. The cost imposed on a few nice blacks is too low compared with the huge costs the huge majority of blacks impose on society, both black and non-black. Like women, blacks should have no voting rights

    gays look cool, and mostly are genetically related (i.e. they are form your race) to you, but homosexual lifestyle is a disease time-bomb. Homosexual prey on children and their lifestyle is the single greatest incubator and disseminator of the most deadly diseases


  273. on August 5, 2009 at 4:44 pm Cannon's Canon

    wow, sorry A-Bax. after re-reading your first post, you purveyed no pretty lies.

    i was thrown off when you opened by calling sodini’s “a sad case.”

    certainly, we can call this event “sad.” i mistakenly thought you were labeling the man, not the incident. in other words, dismissing his rationale with a paltry put-down. sincerest apologies!

    A-Bax REDACTED from list!!!!
    CARRY ON, SIR!


  274. @ Cannon’s Cannon:

    ROFL


  275. anyway, financial capitalism is so productive that we have a duel of titans now: in one side, women, blacks and gays trying to unleash their true selves and destroy civilization. On the other side, a small minority of uber productive men unbounded by capitalism to produce unthinkable wealth trying to keep civilization

    I say the sooner the “cool order” collapses and women, blacks and gays are put in their places, the better


  276. I can’t imagine being unable to get laid. I often feel sorry for nice, quality, moderately attractive guys who just can’t get a girlfriend because of social ineptitude. Or lack of game. Or whatever you want to call it. I’ve often thought about doing those sorts of men out of pity. Meanwhile, dog-faced whales can still get cock.

    At least some women understand life is very different for men in this respect.

    If you ever did decide to fuck a beta friend you could really help him out and teach him some things. On the other hand you run the risk that he will suffer oneitis and cling to you, then become really hurt when it doesn’t work out.

    If you ever do decide to engage in the mercy work of helping a loser beta sexually (and God bless you if you do, you will be doing the work of angels ;-), be very clear to him that you are not his girlfriend or future wife, but that you are only helping him learn some of the things he needs to find those.


  277. on August 5, 2009 at 4:54 pm Cannon's Canon

    Rome82:
    To be fair, telling a self-professed lesser beta like Arpagus to “kill himself” is not a pretty lie. Who wants a beta male anyway?

    I found flaw with your reasoning behind that emotion though. Arpagus simply expressed a great comradeship with this particular beta who acted out against his frustration, albeit not constructively. It is the endgame to what surely must be many betas’ thought experiments.

    Doesn’t mean you yourself are beta, just that you’re failing to relate.


  278. DT, i’ve been there and i really think it does guys more a disservice. doesn’t help your self esteem much once you see it for the pity fuck that it is. in hindsight, i’d rather have just kept on jerking off and kept the shred of self respect that i had, lol.


  279. @ Obsidian

    > That discussion nearly a decade, among other things, really sharpened my thinking as to whenever I wanted to get to the root of a problem. I simply learned to ask-who benefits from this situation?

    Indeed. As Stalin once said: Who Whom? It applies to every aspect of interpersonal relations.


  280. He wrote

    “Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome,”

    LOL. Too bad there wasn’t an exciting international crisis to keep him around for longer.


  281. Roger that, Cannon…appreciate the look-back & the honesty.

    Now where are those feminista-jezebal twats? Cowering in fear? ;-)


  282. DT, i’ve been there and i really think it does guys more a disservice. doesn’t help your self esteem much once you see it for the pity fuck that it is. in hindsight, i’d rather have just kept on jerking off and kept the shred of self respect that i had, lol.

    Depends on the woman. A one night pity stand is damaging. A woman who actually does care and is trying to teach you a few things while fucking you for a little bit can actually help a lot.


  283. on August 5, 2009 at 5:02 pm Once Touchless

    –Oh, and OneTouch? If you knew my situation at all, you’d know why no dad is better than HIS dad. If you think an abusive parent is better than no parent, you clearly led a very charmed and sheltered life. You have no opinion here because the fact you think I’m illogical and “too emotional” to raise a “man” means you know absolutely nothing about me and are just looking for someone to take your woman-hate out on.–

    I don’t hate women at all; quite to the contrary. I never claimed that you should be with the boy’s father. There is no shortage of men who would be happy to raise your boy. Through your choices, you deny your son a father figure. Men and women are very, very different creatures. There are many things I tell my son and which resonate with him that do not resonate with his sister. Find the best man you can and give your child a father. Do not deny him the knowledge of life that only a man can pass to a boy.


  284. Al, you gotta admit Whiskey nailed you on that one, and its something Women need to be really honest about. So long as you got either mad Game, or serious status or preferably both, you might as well not even waste your time stepping to halfway decent and above young Women such as yourself.

    And then, deal w/the aftermath that’s surely to come.

    Not saying that its right or fair, or that I’d do it myself; just saying that’s Life. And in Life, there are always tradeoffs. This, is one of those.

    O


  285. on August 5, 2009 at 5:04 pm Cannon's Canon

    The Rookie:

    Your pretty lie was nominating this guy for BoTY. That award is a shaming device.

    Morality can behoove us to label Sodini shamefully. However, he seems to have fulfilled his personal directive, misguided or not. He took monumental action to address his deficiencies head-on; he does not fit in amongst those nominees.


  286. Firepower says, “so, what are you doing here? loosen up. don’t be so frigid”

    You know, guys have been telling me that since puberty.

    I understand that they say that for their benefit, not mine.

    I do not, nor have I ever wished to become a sperm dump for men who consider me substandard…and managed to avoid this until I came to Israel, and got a taste of what it is like to be on the wrong end of a hate campaign that people actually take seriously.

    I learned something.

    Nobody is going to reward me for not having self respect. The only slight chance I have of a whiff of respect from others comes only because of a hard core love and respect for myself.

    In other words, nobody loves a pussy…especially not one that’s wide open to all takers.

    Women who are still women know this. Men should learn it, and reteach it to their mothers, sisters, daughters, girlfriends, and wives who might have forgotten.

    If everybody got the women in their own family back to some semblance of sanity, then there would be sane women to go around.

    There just won’t be any more fat ugly girls available for the bottomfeeders among you to exploit the insecurities of.


  287. maybe muslims are right to restrict the ability of single men to interact with gaggles of free range cameltoe they can’t have


  288. ”””””on August 5, 2009 at 4:58 pm A-Bax
    Roger that, Cannon…appreciate the look-back & the honesty.

    Now where are those feminista-jezebal twats? Cowering in fear? ”””””””’

    Yea really was kind of weak sauce.


  289. @obsidian

    Al, you gotta admit Whiskey nailed you on that one, and its something Women need to be really honest about. So long as you got either mad Game, or serious status or preferably both, you might as well not even waste your time stepping to halfway decent and above young Women such as yourself.

    how so, and where? I agreed with his point discussing another’s comments.


  290. @ Cannon’s Canon: Duly noted.

    I don’t lack empathy–I have a different definition of it. Encouraging a victim/defeatist mindset like the one Arpagus continually expresses is doing more harm than good. To label Sodini a hero, or a fulfilling representative, is horribly misguided. That construct was what I attacked.

    If Sodini in fact “took monumental action to address his deficiencies head-on,” as you say, then he would be a hero.

    Sodini capitulated to his deficiencies, was mastered by them, rather than addressing them. He addressed his frustrations–not his deficiencies.

    Arpagus should be looking to PUAs, not indulging in the same unhealthy mindset that led Sodini down his dark road.


  291. Arpagus–

    Even so, his other issues mostly seem to result from an absent father (who was just a “sperm donor” in his words)

    Given what a dominating Harridan his mother apparently was to everyone, who can blame the father for leaving – if she didn’t leave him?


  292. Subcomandante Dave

    Safe, affordable blow jobs. In a society as sex obsessed as America it is spectacularly incongruous that prostitution is illegal, it only makes sense if viewed as a means to make men’s lives miserable.

    Hear hear.


  293. @ Cannon’s Canon:

    I disagree. Roissy described him as a beta. He went 20 years without sex. Some of the BOTM winners actually got laid. This guy was clearly lower than them. Just from the 20 year dry-spell, he’s clearly repugnant enough to be omega.

    And he insured that he would never, ever get laid again.

    If the guy didn’t kill anyone, and still blogged about his loserness, he’d be a clear winner. The fact that he kills others and commits suicide means he’s undeserving of shame? I have no sympathy for those who commit suicide, even to escape years of child payments. Real men man up.

    As for him achieving some personal directive, and taking monumental action… sure, monumentally bad actions. That’s what makes him BOTY. His actions were so monumental, and finite, that he assured he’d never get laid again. Roissy’s whole post suggests that studying game, which isn’t that big a step in comparison to murder/suicide, would have saved lives and helped him. He chose the opposite. Clearly he had no clue.

    BOTY


  294. I’m surprised “Really?” is the only jezebel fug to come over here.


  295. ”””””’doug1
    Subcomandante Dave

    Safe, affordable blow jobs. In a society as sex obsessed as America it is spectacularly incongruous that prostitution is illegal, it only makes sense if viewed as a means to make men’s lives miserable.

    Hear hear.”””””””

    Seconded.


  296. Game (PUA) tells men that it’s ok- to be a fucking man.

    I have a dick and I want to fuck you- this desire is my God-given right.
    You may not want to fuck me back- and that is your right- but i am sure that the next girl I see- does.


  297. on August 5, 2009 at 5:27 pm The Main-Gauche of Mild Reason

    Hey, I’m all for the game, when it involves consensual players, and I think a lot of the criticism of men for “pick up techniques” is pretty overblown, as there really isn’t misogyny or ill-will behind it the vast majority of the time.

    But Roissy, don’t you think that the division of men into “alphas/betas” that you’re premised on is part of the problem? I mean, sure, you see it as something that women impose on men; but by buying into the division you legitimize the argument that men who act a particular way DESERVE to be socially ostracized/alienated from women?


  298. giggles I say the sooner the “cool order” collapses and women, blacks and gays are put in their places, the better

    I can picture you on the front line of the upcoming war with your slingshot in one hand and your super soaker in the other.
    Wakeup on your day of deployment and kiss the blowup doll goodbye before you go off to war. Or maybe you should give her to DA to look after. You can be sure he will defile her but hey, you won’t need a paternity test.

    One touchless I don’t hate women at all; quite to the contrary. I never claimed that you should be with the boy’s father. There is no shortage of men who would be happy to raise your boy. Through your choices, you deny your son a father figure. Men and women are very, very different creatures. There are many things I tell my son and which resonate with him that do not resonate with his sister. Find the best man you can and give your child a father. Do not deny him the knowledge of life that only a man can pass to a boy.

    A new voice of reason around these parts.

    * looks over to the bartender*

    This man’s drinks are on me.


  299. What needs doing I think is creating a lot more mediated spaces for men and women. “Just Lunch” and other stuff lacks the critical input — OLDER WOMEN who know the men well and can sort through the BS bad boy tingle for suitability for long term relationships:

    “He’s shy but loaded and treats his sister nice, he’d make a good husband.” [This was indeed Mr. Darcy]
    “He’s outgoing but got two girls pregnant and abandoned them, you’ll be number three.”
    “He never sticks with any girls longer than three months.”
    “He has five DUIs and beat up his last girlfriend when she was pregnant.”

    All of those things serve to put the brakes on women making the decisions by tingle instead of their heads. It gives Joe Average upstanding guy a break, and makes women care the most about … what other (older) women who have more social power think of them. As not airheads, bimbos, or losers but together young women who choose the best (but not perfect) guy for them, who does inspire romantic and sexual feelings, but also “deep” compatibility. This was basically how Western Society was run.
    —————————
    DT is too right on IT. I also have been getting “in-between” gigs, stuff too complicated for cheap on-staff, or too demanding of client handholding for Indian cheap outsourcing, but not enough to get a full time staff to handle. This is particularly true for website development.

    I want to thank Microsoft for screwing over folks who were running Windows 98-ME-NT-XP, with aging client-server programs that need porting over to the Web. Thanks for Vista/Seven! That’s basically a good chunk of my business. Machine falls over, “oh my god we need to get ported ASAP” and clients need hand-holding. But it’s a crap business. A lot of folks just got canned, with no replacement. Nobody invests if they can avoid it in IT spending. [I think there’s a lot of black market stuff on Hackintoshes, but that’s another issue — Apple really screwed themselves by making a desirable system but too pricey.]
    ———————-
    I’m not surprised this guy came out of IT. The problem is not the guy who shoots up a health club full of aerobics women he doesn’t know. It’s a hundred guys who are like him who just don’t give a damn to being hostile to women. This has never, ever, worked out well.

    Everything has it’s price.


  300. But Roissy, don’t you think that the division of men into “alphas/betas” that you’re premised on is part of the problem? I mean, sure, you see it as something that women impose on men; but by buying into the division you legitimize the argument that men who act a particular way DESERVE to be socially ostracized/alienated from women?

    I think the question about whether betas deserve to be shunned by women or used as emotional tampons is as pointless a topic for prolonged debate as whether fat hoes deserved to be shunned by men or used as blubbery pump-and-dump sperm receptables.

    All that matters is are they unwanted or not? And if not, what can they do to turn it around? Dwelling on whether or not its deserved is a waste of time.


  301. See, we was having such a nice and fruitful discussion until Gig goes and gets to talking outta the side of his neck:

    G: looking from the 60s, the world certainly looked like a very bad place. After almost 50 years, no one can deny that:

    G: women are amoral and fickle creatures largely incapable of having political rights. Rome considered women at the same level of children in political rights. The Romans were correct.

    O: Imposition of such “tests” are strictly prohibted by the US Constitution I believe, as well as later legislation pertaining to voting rights. Women may indeed be fickle and amoral, but neither are considerations, legally under American federal law, as to whether an American citizen may or may not cast his or her vote. Y’all may do it differently in Brazil however.

    G: Blacks should not have free movement. The cost imposed on a few nice blacks is too low compared with the huge costs the huge majority of blacks impose on society, both black and non-black. Like women, blacks should have no voting rights

    O: First off, the vast majority of African Americans live among other African Americans, and their civic franchise as Americans was a hard won RIGHT. And I’m sure Obama and the DNC would strongly disagre w/your notion that Black folk having the vote was a bad idea. Oh, and “restricted movement” was rightly killed by the 1954 Brown v Board of Education US Supreme Court decision, which was brilliantly argued by the late great Thurgood Marshall, who Clarence Thomas couldn’t carry the former’s sweaty jockstrap. I’m just sayin.

    G: gays look cool, and mostly are genetically related (i.e. they are form your race) to you, but homosexual lifestyle is a disease time-bomb. Homosexual prey on children and their lifestyle is the single greatest incubator and disseminator of the most deadly diseases

    O: Uhh, the vast majority of pedophiles aren’t out Gay Men. Second, any diseases Gay Men have are largely contained and limited to them, ie HIV. In the USA (unlike Brazil I hear, where transexualism runs rampant and HIV testing isn’t as high quality as in the USA-recall Darren James), the vast majority of total such cases are to be found within the Gay Male Community.

    C’mon Gig, don’t be a buzzkill here.

    The Obsidian


  302. on August 5, 2009 at 5:34 pm Cannon's Canon

    signs you are full of shit:

    1. chic noir calls yours a “voice of reason”
    2. tbd


  303. @cannon’s canon- read what I highlighted, then come at me. A boy need’s a (mentally sound)father,the end.


  304. gig,

    looking from the 60s, the world certainly looked like a very bad place. After almost 50 years, no one can deny that:

    hmm… if no one can deny it… you know, i’m just going to deny it anyway.

    you make the same mistake that progressives make. you imagine some utopia in your mind and rationalize a whole set of injustices that flow from the real world not living up to your imagined fantasy land. the problem with what you’re proposing is that you ignore the costs of maintaining such a system.

    there’s a reason that the south is stereotyped as being filled with rednecks and yokels. all that time and energy southern states spent keeping blacks in their place throughout slavery and jim crow was time and energy that could have been spent on educating their populations and developing industries. slavery and jim crow did very little for the average white man in the south. it was really just a means for the planter elite to have cheap labor and keep themselves on the type of the social hierarchy.

    roissy is right. the answer is not turning women into indentured sex servants or building black townships. the answer is game. if you don’t have any, then get some. all you betas, please quit your collective bitching. some of you guys sound like the mirror image of the feministing commenters.


  305. Obsidian
    See, we was having such a nice and fruitful discussion until Gig goes and gets to talking outta the side of his neck:

    gig is a troll in the same vein that GNP is. Don’t let gig sidetrack the discussion. Blog host should put gig and gnp on comment moderation to see if comment sections flows smoother when the two aren’t around.

    They could take some hints from biting beaver and aveola on the art of being an amusing troll.

    I can’t put lurker or willard in with the other two because there are times when both make good points and/or have interesting things to add.


  306. As a woman, I can’t help but laugh at the true idiocy of these comments. All the losers here are either celibate because they’re not worth fucking let alone loving (probably because you’re still living out your third and fourth adolescence) or they have girlfriends and wives who would divorce them in one hot minute if they ever saw these ridiculous comments.

    I do agree that it is far easier to get laid being a woman than it is for a man, and I have no problem with that.

    Goodnight losers!


  307. Firepower:

    I was referring to pity-fucking men who would probably get fucked with a marginal amount of game, but who, as it is, are involuntarily celibate.


  308. I would accept a pityfuck from one of my JewCrushes.


  309. roissy to madras are you a woman? because only a woman could be ignorant or disbelieving of the multitudes of sexless men in her midst,

    *puts hand up to God*
    Yea, I really really really didn’t know this before reading it here. I figured most people got some at least once or twice a month. I thought the people not getting any where the very unattractive and socially awkward. *And even those two groups can always pay for it.

    It might be something to get the word out to most women.. On the otherhand, it probably won’t changes things but at least most women won’t be ignorant of the fact.

    and of how much more difficult it is for the average man to get laid than it is for the average woman

    now this I was well aware of. I think most women know this because of the sheer amount of attention they get on a daily bases from men.


  310. on August 5, 2009 at 5:54 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Cannon’s Canon,

    How have I perpetrated any pretty lies? That the guy was Not Right in some fundamental way is something a number of posters have opined. That he had a problems with his mother, mostly-absent father, and bullying brother, and that he apparently had a very difficult time relating to anyone, not only women, is stated clearly in his screed.

    If he had some sort of personality disorder, as it appears he might have, then odds are good that it was developing before he even got to the age of asking women out/being rejected by them.

    I have no more insight into his plight than you do: all we have to go on are the ramblings of an unbalanced murderer. Theorizing that he was a little off before he ever got rejected in a dating environment is hardly the stuff of pretty lies.


  311. @obs- you shouldn’t have bit on that one, it was a ludicrous and unrealistic comment.

    @al, obs-

    Whiskey nailed you

    *in voice of butthead* heheheh. heheheh. heheheh.

    @dana-

    free range cameltoe

    lol- another striking phrase from you. but- just the cameltoe? what, we’re supposed to be interested in oddly shaped patterns of fabric? it’s the pussy underneath, doll, as you know perfectly well. why so uncharacteristically indirect?


  312. DT, its true, you can learn a lot.. being the beta fuck buddy for a few months, the sort of guy she’d half heartedly fool around with in private but wouldn’t want to be seen with in public, really opened my eyes to a lot of what roissy is preaching. i think that’s when i really started to think about the dichotomy between what women want, and what women say they want, and really to just be more mindful of their fickle natures in general instead of putting chicks up on a pedestal all the time.

    but still in this sort of scenario, the poor male subject is almost certain to get clingy just like i got clingy; i think that is perhaps a defining trait of the beta, is that it is too difficult to seperate out just sex from wanting a real relationship, developing an emotional connection. and when it ends (invariably, badly) the guy is almost certain to be worse for the wear. it took me a while to patch myself up after that one, and in some regards i still think my sense of self respect isn’t what it used to be. bitch stole what little mojo i had in the first place; rather counterproductive, really.

    i think my issue with it now, in hindsight, is that it’s just not dealing from a position of strength. better just to see her for the cheap slut she is and avoid getting tangled up in it in the first place, or be damn sure you can just use her for the sex and toss her. but if you can do that, you’re already alpha enough so as to not need the tutorial.


  313. really?,

    Then you probably will also never know the irritation of being hit on when all you want to do is go about your daily routine.

    i’m tempted to start an argument with you whether it’s better to deal with too much hassle or to be completely free of it and rendered invisible in the sexual marketplace. it’s tempting, but what’s the point?

    rather, i just hope you will remember you own words one day when you’re old and wrinkled and shamelessly flirting with any man in site just so you can once more know the pleasures of being desired. all women will eventually learn what it’s like to be a beta male. father time makes sure of that.


  314. on August 5, 2009 at 5:59 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Holy jesus fucking shit, his log is SCREAMING “I AM VIOLENT BECAUSE I AM DEPRIVED OF WOMEN” I’ll be eager to see what the pc police concoct as his motivation other than his crippling involuntary celibacy. Women are unblameable, rest assured his deprivation will be entirely painted as a symptom of his insanity, and in no way a cause. When a relatively intelligent, good looking (6.5-7 on pure look), hard working slighly above average straight white man is less likely to procreate than a violent thug/drug dealer/unemployed biker, our society will start seeing the effects in a few generations.


  315. @Chic, and other people who are saying it’s easier for women because we get more attention.

    Sure, we get a lot of offers for sex, but women don’t usually want only sex. We want relationships.

    Some of us have been convinced (hello Firepower) to *settle* for less than this, but in doing so, it reduces our value to potential partners who might have wanted more than that.

    So the best thing for a girl to do is keep her legs closed and hold out for a commitment. The lower her perceived social value the more obviously chaste she should be. For western women, this means anybody < 8 should dress very modestly and have tight home skills.

    Being alone with your dignity, for women, is better than being a sperm dump. It won't likely result in being alone though…at least not for long. I think many dominant men can "smell" true princesses (and make them their slaves :: evil laughter :: ).


  316. you are all acting as if the only alternatives are 1. what we have now, a world where betas get nothing or become like this guy and alphas get harems and everything’s bad or 2. what we had before, with monogamy, conservative social structure, etc.

    BUT THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY OPTIONS! BETAS HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN “GAME”

    this is to become willing slaves to hot girls and learn to take pleasure in seeing them get serviced by alphas and even to become feminized and hope to serve the alphas sexually themselves!

    I have done this with my hot girlfriend when she decided to start fucking a muscular alpha lacrosse player, and I get off on watching him fuck her! And I want to suck him off.


  317. on August 5, 2009 at 6:11 pm Democrats = Homocrats = Faggots

    Chic Noir’s definition of a troll : A person who says inconvenient truths about black people.


  318. selenium, enjoy basking for this brief moment in the shade of the raised boot that will inevitably come smashing down on you. diseased faggotry won’t tolerated forever, and less and less as the country browns and average IQ drops


  319. @whiskey- excellent point and detail re the breakdown of the traditional (community, extended-family, intergenerational) aspects of courtship and matchmaking. they had their flaws and constraints, and no doubt many individuals chafed at them over the centuries, but they did maintain stability and community values, in addition to pairing off most the eligible people in a community. there’s a reason that events marking family milestones (weddings, christenings, etc.) are celebrated with meaningful, semi-public rituals. they’re community events, marking the continuity of the generations. the replacement of this with “promiscuous breeding” (a phrase i seem to remember in an essay by Shaw), and the consequences thereof, are what we talk about every day.

    i went back and printed that longer Devlin article (i had read the shorter one, the book review) – my weekend reading.

    @selenium – pound sand, bro. this is not the place to troll with that shit.


  320. maurice google “the garbage genration” as well


  321. on August 5, 2009 at 6:17 pm Cannon's Canon

    Rome82: “Encouraging a victim/defeatist mindset like the one Arpagus continually expresses is doing more harm than good.”

    No one is encouraging this mindset, including Arpagus himself. Your shaming words show you are refusing to acknowledge it altogether.

    “To label Sodini a hero, or a fulfilling representative, is horribly misguided.”

    It is as misguided as being a beta in the first place. The man had sexual urges that he could not fulfill. After 20 years of depression, homicidal urges manifested. It was easier for him to go on a suicidal killing spree than it was to get laid. If he learned game, he’d be a much bigger hero to betas. As it were, he still found some satisfactory release of those urges.

    “If Sodini in fact “took monumental action to address his deficiencies head-on,” as you say, then he would be a hero.”

    Again, not nearly as heroic as getting laid with effort, but he satisfied his basic sexual urge in a very roundabout manner. In context, this is more than almost every beta is capable of.

    “Sodini capitulated to his deficiencies, was mastered by them, rather than addressing them. He addressed his frustrations–not his deficiencies.”

    His sexual frustrations were a product of his deficiencies.

    “Arpagus should be looking to PUAs, not indulging in the same unhealthy mindset that led Sodini down his dark road.”

    Arpagus DOES look to PUAs and has gotten himself laid through a false display of confidence, which he said has done wonders for his morale, even though the chick was quite beastly. That is the point of this post: game changes the lives of betas.

    You can cast stones and call it “a dark road,” but it is a very real predicament for plenty of men.


  322. @LR,

    You can argue all day, but the men who grow up to be criminals against women are usually men who had no relationship/bad relationship with mommy and the girls who grow up to be fucked up in the head in their opinion of men are the ones who grow up without a dad/bad relationship with dad. Check the stats. They don’t lie.

    I’d be inclined to agree with you if I were raising a girl alone…..but typically whatever gender the person is who’s “fucked up in the head” it’s the parent of the OPPOSITE gender who forms the way they feel about sex/romance/love later in life.

    Therefore since my son and I have a good normal relationship, the chances of him being “messed up” are actually really slim.

    Unless you want to argue that ALL the people who raised messed up kids of the other gender were messing them up on purpose, then you must concede that some fraction of the parents messed their kids up without knowing they were doing it, and thus your conclusion that he is probably not messed up is untenable because you don’t know what you’re doing to mess him up. It could be entirely unconscious and inadvertent.

    If you knew my situation at all, you’d know why no dad is better than HIS dad. If you think an abusive parent is better than no parent, you clearly led a very charmed and sheltered life.

    The mere fact that you pulled the plug on a bad dad does not mean you’re going to succeed in raising him well. In fact, the odds are considerable that you’re going to fail.

    Needless to say, there were choices that came before “his dad or no dad” – like, “sleep with the loser or not” and “keep the loser’s baby or not”.


  323. on August 5, 2009 at 6:22 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Obsidian,

    I’m generally a very optimistic guy, but I gotta level with ya: I don’t see any uprising among Women anytime soon about any of this, if anything I see the exact opposite, a push for even more laws and the like to attempt to contain the “problem”. Women gain from the way the game is rigged presently

    Don’t forget the Four Horsemen of Male Vengeance. These will happen by 2020 whether women are prepared for them or not.

    As I wrote yesterday, lopsided situations can continue for a long time, but when they correct, they correct very fast.

    The main article of a guy going on a shooting spree is merely Horseman #4 : Increasing violence against women.

    Game, of course, is HorseMan #1.


  324. He mentions some woman giving him the eye at the gym, but not really attempting to pursue her, as he doesn’t want to get “distracted” from his “mission”.

    I think that woman might have subconsciously sensed he was about to kill people. Hence they eye.


  325. @dana- you are so concerned for my literary wellbeing! thanks. and just ’cause it’s you, i’ll get around to reading everything you recommend. haven’t read that article on fascism/progressivism you recommended last month – it’s on the list. if only i had unlimited time to read everything i want to…


  326. you’d be me


  327. Markku

    Nice shot.


  328. @Cannon’s Canon

    I see nothing in the original news article, Roissy’s post or the comments that would indicate this individual is a MRA hero (or a hero of any kind), as described by Arpagus in his first comment.

    I would go on to say that the last few lines of Arpagus’ comment indicate he is out of touch with reality. If you don’t see that, I must conclude that you too are out of touch with reality.


  329. @dana
    I am not gay! however I do think that betas can learn to take real pleasure in watching studs pleasure hot women, wearing panties and hoping to suck off the alpha studs!


  330. Fifth, I think and hope that female vengeance against radical feminism will happen before male vengeance really gets to a critical level.

    Many women are rolling back to a more sane lifestyle, and requiring some manhood of men, and benefitting from this.

    Hopefully there will be a balance and guys will see there’s more than one way to be alpha. An alpha male is the leader of a social group, and a family is exactly that.

    Men go where the pussy’s at, and now that they’re figuring out it’s not at the clubs except for players, maybe they’ll remember when their dad tried to introduce them to a nice girl at church or one of his friend’s daughters who has been on balanced lockdown.


  331. Obsidian — The Black Community (or White British Underclass) was not always violent. The words that elderly residents spoke to Obama in his first book “Dreams from my Father” and Dalrymple wrote about his own 1950’s upbringing in East London in “Life at the Bottom” are almost identical: both poor, both facing class or racial discrimination, both places absent of violence where kids could play unmolested. The same thing: women wanting higher status men, drove thuggishness to replace cooperation and safety.

    However, the cultural effect of gays is terrible. They norm (see the gay troll above) sexual promiscuity among women, gay sexual behavior, polygamy (Barbara Ehrenreich and feminists have joined gay activists in seeking Justice Dept. recognition of polygamy). They make Sex and the City, and other how-to manuals for hypergamy indulgence, and amplify women’s worst instead of best behavior. The replacement of older aunts, family friends, mothers, and older sisters by gays as confidants for women has produced gay male behavior (rampant promiscuity, seeking the most dominant “hot” men, deviant behavior celebrated as norms) to new and unseen heights.

    This is why straight men dislike gay men even though on the face of it, gay men should be encouraged (less competition for straight men). It’s their negative influence on women that leads to less sex for all but the biggest Alphas.

    Interesting thought experiment. Take Soldini, and instead of an IT man make him a thuggish biker. Keep everything the same, same disconnect from women and others, same resentments towards parents, and older brother, same loneliness. But put him on a pimped-out Harley (and I LIKE Harleys) running with the Mongols or Angels, dealing meth on the side, no money to speak of, a tough persona, and count the number of women he has. Probably a new babe, and hot one, every week.

    Ladies, collectively that is the market incentive you create. You CREATE THE THUGS YOU DON’T like. Even a guy disturbed like Soldini could get regular sex, every week, from a hot chick, if he was a thuggish biker.


  332. George Sodoni is straight out of Houellebeqc’s Extension of the Domain of the Struggle, where a 6 figure, 40 year old virgin beta computer programmer plans to exact his revenge against the teen girls of humanity.. who have cast him into the eternal celibate darkness.. by stabbing a black guy and his white girlfriend to death and then kill himself in a car crash.

    His diary is just like reading the book.


  333. on August 5, 2009 at 6:40 pm Cannon's Canon

    Marcus Aureliette:
    First you diagnose the man with this:
    “This guy’s inability to interact on any meaningful level — with anyone, not just women — suggests that his problems were the cause, not the result, of his sex-drought.”

    then you defend your point with this:
    “I have no more insight into his plight than you do: all we have to go on are the ramblings of an unbalanced murderer.”

    My disappointment with your reasoning stems from your automatic shaming language. Until he becomes homicidal, he matches the description of countless beta providers. Sodini developed his attitude while passing for a normal guy in a respectable, specialized job. This alone assures that he could interact with other people at a rudimentary level. Plenty of people are strikiningly less capable.

    You have him painted as a lunatic in your mind and will rationalize his behavior backwards, from this perspective. Not a de facto lie, but not very objective of you either.


  334. This guy’s blog really hit home for me, because I actually do the same damn thing as him, get the same 4 weeks of vacation, and am the age he was when he last got laid (and starting to feel like I might spend the rest of my life without any future sex.)

    I’m not a murder or violent by any measure, but I’m seriously sitting here wondering if the only difference between this guy and myself is 20 years of involuntarily celibacy.

    I’ve read The Game, but I tend to convince myself the stuff can’t work because women must have heard all these lines by now.

    Can anybody point me to where to begin to develop Game?


  335. “oh dear”?

    good place to start is not talking like a fag


  336. Am going to make myself clear here:
    — The natural state of things is that all men (and women) do not reproduce.
    — “deserve” is an outlandish idea and trying to make this happen for all males is counterproductive to society.
    — I’m not hugely interested in arguments about who should and should not: that’s a complex and emotive issue. Except to say: definitely not everybody.
    — I personally think that this guy is An Inferior Human Being because he indulged himself in a shooting spree. As we’ve said, The Suffering he has had is widespread and prevalent and those in similar positions do not go on shooting sprees. My morality scale can be harsh and forgive me if I still think the best of those who can sympathise but have not actually done it. Ergo, I personally believe that whomever rejected him sexually was right to do so. Who knows if they did or did not detect something ‘off?’ But it was the right thing to do and thus, the drives behind it are “working correctly” from my perspective, in this instance. Unfortunately, natural sexual inclinations of women do not apparently work very well in modern society due to the Whiskey Hypothesis.
    — My personal opinion on this man is not the point. Although it’s interesting to see what shaped him and how he’s used as a symbol of male frustration. Is he really a warning signal or a screwed up human being? What to do?
    — My personal opinion on this specific instance does not mean I think sexually frustrated men should remain so or that the right people are reproducing due to ‘natural selection’. To reiterate: I’m not hugely interested in arguments about who should and should not compared to who does or does not, that’s a complex and emotive issue.


  337. on August 5, 2009 at 6:44 pm Tupac Chopra

    Rome/Cannon:

    Rome82: “Encouraging a victim/defeatist mindset like the one Arpagus continually expresses is doing more harm than good.”

    No one is encouraging this mindset, including Arpagus himself. Your shaming words show you are refusing to acknowledge it altogether.

    Yeah, I notice a slight contradiction in some of the posters here regarding this issue.

    For instance, Obsidian — to his credit — will frequently upbraid someone like DA for not learning Game and getting his sexual needs fulfilled, implying DA is morally culpable.

    But then OTOH, when addressing the sociological factors of the sexual marketplace, Obs will opine about the coming D-Day of too many betas being relegated to the Darwinian metadeathbin of sexual irrelevance, implying women will soon pay for the choices they make.

    But why point a finger at women, Obs, when you should be pointing it at the men who just need to learn Game, like DA?

    (Rhetorical, btw)


  338. Whiskey says, “Ladies, collectively that is the market incentive you create. You CREATE THE THUGS YOU DON’T like. Even a guy disturbed like Soldini could get regular sex, every week, from a hot chick, if he was a thuggish biker.”

    Don’t put that on me or women at my rating. We’re not the hot chicks, and you don’t have to be a thug or even a biker to get to most of us.

    As someone else here joked, you just need to show up, and hopefully be talking something serious.

    So even a disturbed guy like him could get regular and even some freaky sex daily, from a decent wife if he was interested in that.

    Problem is that he was disturbed and not interested in that. It’s not non hot chicks’ fault if we’re invisible to the overly entitled looking for trophies.


  339. Rain And

    That is why this whole story is so compelling, imho. It is almost too perfect an example of the depravity that results from trying to live out a lifestyle of malignant betatude.
    It feels like a hoax, in a way. But then there are the spreading pools of blood on the womens gym floor…
    That makes it fully certified as serious in real-life.


  340. on August 5, 2009 at 6:47 pm Tupac Chopra

    David Alexander:

    I am not gay! however I do think that betas can learn to take real pleasure in watching studs pleasure hot women, wearing panties and hoping to suck off the alpha studs!

    !


  341. Whiskey nails it, as usual. The real issue is not the lone nut or the sensational made-for-TV slaughterfest, but rather the less exciting reality that more and more men are no longer invested in the stability and well being of the broader society. They aren’t stakeholders anymore, and many have no real prospect of ever becoming a stakeholder. This isn’t nearly as sexy or exciting as lone-nut-goes-wild, but it has enormous implications. Most people don’t understand just how serious these implications are going to be.

    We still get, even on this blog, the boneheaded “You’re just a bunch of whiners! No wonder you don’t get laid!” type of post. This type is completely ignorant of the broader societal trends – political correctness, globalization, immigration, anti-white propaganda, feminism, demographic transformation, media control (just to name a few) – that are leading a higher and higher percentage of men to become angry and alienated with little left to lose.

    Just a few short decades ago, the typical guy could reasonably expect to have a stable career, a faithful wife and kids, his own house, and so forth. He could reasonably expect to become a trusted and respected member of the society, and was therefore invested in that society doing well.

    My, how things change! Most guys are just not going to get all of those things anymore. They might get one component, but fewer and fewer will get the whole package. We’ve gone from a society where almost anyone who behaved responsibly could become a stakeholder and hold his head high, into one where huge numbers of men are marginalized sexually, romantically, socially, economically, and so forth. Like Rodney Dangerfield, they get no respect.

    I should also note that the lone nut in this particular case was in decent financial shape, yet was utterly alienated from the society around him. As the religious types might say, man does not live by bread alone. This is true for normal men as well, not just mentally ill wack jobs.

    A man needs more. In our current society, that “more” is sorely lacking. Fat, drunk, stupid and being a politically correct, deracinated consumer is no way to go through life, son. And it’s not very satisfying to a man worthy of the name.

    Point is, the deeper and more intimate connections that give life context and meaning are fraying, or are already just plain gone. So sure, expect some more lone nuts. But what matters far more is what those millions of alienated, pissed off and just plain miserable guys will do as society continues to deteriorate around them.

    Hint to the boneheaded: they aren’t going to form the “Beta Party” and carry banners demanding access to vaginas. So what will they do? Answer: On the micro level they will increasingly make life difficult or unstable for the people immediately around them, one way or another.

    On the macro level they will be much more likely to support a movement that promises to upset the status quo in some fundamental way. The same status quo that has set most of them up for failure. A system that hates them, or at best despises them. Peaceful change? Maybe. Violent change? Maybe. Should be interesting, however it plays out. Stay tuned!


  342. Oh Dear:
    Some common recommendations:
    The Mystery Method
    Art of Seduction by Robert Greene
    The Game by Neil Strauss

    http://www.rsdnation.com/forum


  343. Rome82:

    Arpagus should be looking to PUAs, not indulging in the same unhealthy mindset that led Sodini down his dark road.

    I do look to PUAs personally at this point, but game is not enough to defeat feminism. Game is only powerful as long as few are good at it. If we all became PUAs, we would be back to square one and might as well not have bothered. Playing within the current rules is a zero-sum game, because women are hypergamous. There can only be so many alpha males. Women are also the majority in any democracy. As long as they can afford it, women will go for the best men, and they won’t give up their equality, largely backed by affirmative action, without massive violence perpetrated by the minority of men who are left sexless under feminism.

    Therefore I applaud rape and purposeful violence against women where it is made clear that embittered men are hurting and killing them for not putting out. Only then will women hopefully abandon their equality and be forced to settle monogamously by sheer economic necessity. That is the only language they understand, on an societal scale, human nature being what it is, and as long as most men aren’t happy, nobody will be happy, because violence like this will be commonplace.


  344. The Game by Neil Strauss <– yup, you've read that.


  345. on August 5, 2009 at 6:51 pm Tupac Chopra

    dana:

    “oh dear”?

    good place to start is not talking like a fag

    lol

    Something tells me Dana and Mrs. Moira Breen from 2blowhards would get along nicely.


  346. on August 5, 2009 at 6:52 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Fifth, I think and hope that female vengeance against radical feminism will happen before male vengeance really gets to a critical level.

    I do too. But I am a realist, and say that it is not likely. I see none of the necessary introspection, long-term thinking, and self-restraint from the majority of women, sad to say.

    Of the 4 forces against women, two help men, while the other two are just lose-lose situations, but are worse for women than men.

    Since you were away in the interim, let me list out the 4 Horsemen, in case you missed them.

    1. Game
    2. Sex technologies (3-D/VR/Homlograms, sexbots, etc.)
    3. Islam becoming stronger in the West, and demanding the right to practice Sharia Law in matters of family law.
    4. Increasing violence against women (as in the article above).

    1 and 2 help men. But all 4 are bad news for the power advantage women presently have.

    Of course, many good women will suffer in the fallout. As always, the extremists (in this case, feminists) do the most harm to their own group, rather than the group they are trying to damage.


  347. Oh Dear: You’ve read The Game! Sorry.


  348. Arpagus, how well do you think that embittered men raping and killing women for not putting out would fly if you were just not permitted access to women?

    As things are, I understand how the current system creates a relative deprivation problem…but would total deprivation be better?

    Do you think your life would be easier if your only option for sex outside of marriage was prostitutes?

    …if to get consensual sex otherwise, you had to pass the scrutiny of a woman’s family and commit to her?

    I’m asking because some families here have actually rolled back to that. The previous generation saw the bad consequences of being more liberal, so they’ve rolled back to not allowing the girls to go anywhere without a chaperone, and older wives are either chaperoned or time checked.


  349. I have a feeling that we are going to see many more of these events in the next few years.


  350. Tupac,
    Good question you ask, and deserves what I hope is an equally good response.

    I personally think that the two points you raised are not mutually exclusive. On the one hand we do have the individual to consider, say Dave Alex, and to that extent we should try to do what we can to assist him and he should do what he can to assist himself.

    But on the other hand, we have the wider social implications of such massive shifts taking place on the dating and mating scene, especially wrt the Male side of it, which The Urban Scientist at Psychology Today writes so eloquently about. We are social beings and as such are impacted by larger groups of people.

    From a purely practical standpoint, the individual guy’s last, best hope is learning Game to the best of his ability. In this way he has some chance of getting some degree of happiness in our postmodern, postfeminist world.

    But on the larger collective level, we have to grapple w/how these massive shifts and changes on the dating/mating market can and will mean for all of us-socially, politically, economically. Clearly, I think we call agree, that there are indeed real costs to consider.
    Hope I’ve addressed your question.

    O


  351. Arpagus and others should read this!

    let me give an example of the kind of situation betas can learn to find enjoyable!!

    http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=136498


  352. dana to oh dear

    good place to start is not talking like a fag

    have some empathy dana.


  353. It seems to me the last thing more widespread violence and rape is going to do is reverse feminism. It’s only providing grist for the feminist mill. Feminism is fulfilling its own prophecies (well, asserted as facts, but now actually coming true). Fabulous.

    The most likely dominant ‘solutions’ which’re practically unstoppable can be found in Tood’s list.


  354. on August 5, 2009 at 7:08 pm Cannon's Canon

    CT:
    Arpagus was incorrect to call Sodini an MRA hero, but he can still be a hero of sorts to a pocket of MRA subscribers.

    Arpagus lived the life of an archetype beta for many years, developed a latent homicidal rage, which he admits to, and was still far from acting on it. Arpagus applied game for a fraction of the time since his sexual frustration began and got laid. He has said that this did wonders for his mental state, although the act was shallow and the girl was not attractive. Without game, as he says himself, Sodini could have been him.

    In a world without game, Sodini acted out on his sexually-repressed urges more than any other beta. Definitely not “admirable,” but something other betas might aspire to as their greatest outcome.

    But let’s not nitpick – the statement was made for shock and awe. Did the trick on you, too.


  355. on August 5, 2009 at 7:09 pm Tupac Chopra

    Cunthulah:

    So even a disturbed guy like him could get regular and even some freaky sex daily, from a decent wife if he was interested in that.

    Problem is that he was disturbed and not interested in that. It’s not non hot chicks’ fault if we’re invisible to the overly entitled looking for trophies.

    Again with the “trophies.”

    No, it’s like this:

    Long ago, people paired up equally: 3’s with 3’s, 5’s with 5’s, 8’s with 8’s, etc., more or less.

    But with female “empowerment”, women were allowed to indulge their hypergamous natures and thereby sportfuck men way out of their league.

    That wouldn’t be so bad if women were realistic enough to understand that this exactly how they were viewed by the men who were glazing their faces in babybatter.

    Unfortunately, the stupidity of women ensures that they frame these “relationships” as being born of “love” gone “tragically” wrong. So they hang on to these trainwrecks of sluttery with all the fervor that tween girls clutch their Twilight books to their chests.

    That guy who left her with a bleeding anus and fresh wad on her back before bailing to hang out with his buds at the bar? He’s not taking advantage! No, he’s a dark brooding romantic badboy who just needs to be “loved” and “understood” to win his heart. They had something SPECIAL! If only for a few days.

    So what ends up happening is that men who never *once* gave any thought to chasing “unicorns” or “trophies” are simply left standing alone with their dicks waving in the wind.

    So don’t blame men who aren’t eager to dip *below* their sexual market value and date fatties.

    Although I’m sure *you* think this would be the proper denouement to this particular morality play.

    As Obsidian would say:

    Hmm.


  356. Fifth says, “Of course, many good women will suffer in the fallout. As always, the extremists (in this case, feminists) do the most harm to their own group, rather than the group they are trying to damage.”

    Very, very true. When I was younger, I fell for some of it, but never got too deep. I just sensed something about mindless shagging was wrong, and that was confirmed when I stupidly got into a FWB situation.

    I’m really glad for the non radicals. It’s nice to have the freedom to be a freak and not be condemned for it…but things in moderation, you know? Folks should give a damn about one another and their overall wellbeing, and women are having the opposite encouraged.


  357. Democrats = Homocrats = Faggots
    Chic Noir’s definition of a troll : A person who says inconvenient truths about black people.

    read some of willard’s comments then get back to me.


  358. on August 5, 2009 at 7:11 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Therefore I applaud rape and purposeful violence against women where it is made clear that embittered men are hurting and killing them for not putting out.”

    Ok, that I don’t cosign with… but I do find it hilarious!


  359. From the diary An older woman there, out of the blue, asked if I liked high school. Then quickly asked if I was picked on very much. Intersting why she would ask that. But, thanks, I already know what the problem is, but a solution eludes me.

    I’m pretty sure I could have done the same thing after observing him for 5 minutes. I could have given him his life story as if I was a fly of the wall for all of his 48 years.

    There is a reason women can do that and it’s because we are more perceptive by nature than men are. Women also use hidden ques like women’s intuition to make snap judgments about people. It’s the reason why two women who have never met one another can tell you how they feel about each other within 30 seconds of meeting. For those reasons, as men, it’s very important that you give off signs of health, protector, and confidence.

    dana
    no

    you made me giggle but okay dana.


  360. George Sodini is an MRA hero as much a reason to learn game.

    The man is a piece of shit who brings shame to other men. Your inability to secure female attention is not and will never be an excuse to resort to violence. He makes sub-human males like myself sick.

    The Church has spoken.


  361. on August 5, 2009 at 7:18 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    “Therefore I applaud rape and purposeful violence against women where it is made clear that embittered men are hurting and killing them for not putting out.”

    While I don’t approve of this, I fully understand that when a person has been so heavily subjugated, abused, and dehumanized, they will root for something, anything, that strikes back.

    Urban women today, are sowing the seeds of violence against themselves. From guys that seem harmless today (like Sodini was until last week).

    chic noir wrote :

    There is a reason women can do that and it’s because we are more perceptive by nature than men are.

    On some matters, yes. On other matters, a big fat NO.

    If women are so perceptive, why don’t they see how extremely anti-male divorce laws and general misandry are hurting average women a lot? Why don’t average women rise up to roll back feminism, which is preventing them from getting a guy to marry them?

    Why do women who consider themselves ‘feminists’ hate Sarah Palin so much, when in fact she is a role model for every goal the feminists said they support?


  362. on August 5, 2009 at 7:19 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I’ve read The Game, but I tend to convince myself the stuff can’t work because women must have heard all these lines by now.

    That’s because “game” is not contingent on “lines.” It’s about having a confident, assertive, masculine demeanor… a “line” is really just the starting point for a man to offer to the female the opportunity to interact with him so that he can demonstrate his social dominance.

    A well practiced player can deliver the cheesiest, most well worn pickup line in the world, and still pickup the lady…because it’s not actually “what” he’s saying more than how he’s saying it…and how he carries on the conversation/pickup attempt after the opening line is delivered. Read: I Tried the Apocalypse Opener.

    The nerdy, feminized, meek and needy guy could come up with the greatest pickup line in the world…but his demeanor, presence and lack of masculine charisma would absolutely kill any chance of having it work in attracting the lady he used it on.


  363. Tupac, again, I do not think men should date or even shag anyone they find unattractive.

    I’m getting tired of having to repeat that.

    Obsidian said, “From a purely practical standpoint, the individual guy’s last, best hope is learning Game to the best of his ability. In this way he has some chance of getting some degree of happiness in our postmodern, postfeminist world.”

    I hope that’s followed up with marriage game and family game for those who don’t want to be eternal bachelors, and need help maintaining alpha status in their homes.


  364. The Fifth Horseman wrote:
    “chic noir wrote :

    There is a reason women can do that and it’s because we are more perceptive by nature than men are.

    On some matters, yes. On other matters, a big fat NO.”

    Chic was describing picking up details about a man quickly. And yes women are very good at. But it’s internalized as feelings like ginia tingles and creeped out, ect.


  365. are you not allowed to post links here? i would like to illustrate what im talking about by linking to a literotica story, but it’s not possible


  366. on August 5, 2009 at 7:29 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Nicole,

    I hope that’s followed up with marriage game and family game for those who don’t want to be eternal bachelors, and need help maintaining alpha status in their homes.

    Now we are getting somewhere. Most men want exactly this to be the case as they get older.

    BUT….

    Divorce laws are ruinous towards men. They are a direct violation of every belief in self-responsibility that most of us have. Pre-nups are only a partial shield at best.

    70-90% of divorces are initated by women. So it seems that women are the ones who cannot commit long term, rather than men.

    Many men who wanted nothing more to age with a family of their own, are stacking up the pros and cons of marriage, and coming to the conclusion, with a heavy heart, that the risks are just too great.

    And if even 20% of the men come to this conclusion, women are screwed. 100 women are competing for 80 husbands, with 20 other men as PUAs raiding the field.


  367. on August 5, 2009 at 7:33 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Oh Dear,

    I’ve read The Game, but I tend to convince myself the stuff can’t work because women must have heard all these lines by now.

    OK, now go read a second book : The Mystery Method. Do that immediately.

    ‘Game’ is not about lines, but about a sequence of steps that push the right buttons at the right time. No one line is indispensible. These are not magical ‘spells’ that have some special effect.


  368. Fifth, I think part of the problem is that the current media message is to minimize the contribution of the father aside of financial…and to kind of minimize that as if taking care of Maslow 1 and 2 has nothing to do with 3+ or something.

    The laws are a bigger nut to crack than the social situation. This is why I’m saying that dads, brothers, and sons need to be more honest about how they see things. The first few thousand who do it will be accused of turning into religious nuts or being hypocrites, but when it grows to the point that teenage boys go to school and tell girls they are dressed like whores and look 30 years old and already used up, things will change.

    One my my friends’ younger brother started a Facebook group along those lines, with photos of some washed up prematurely aging junior hoes.


  369. Long ago, people paired up equally: 3’s with 3’s, 5’s with 5’s, 8’s with 8’s, etc., more or less.

    That’s the problem. 3s shouldn’t be mating with other 3s. If they can’t secure 7s and up, they should just simply “drop-out” of the relationship market. If you’re ugly, why should you reinforce your ugliness with an ugly partner?

    Hell, how can you even get an erection for an ugly girl?

    Maybe we should pass the hat around for a hooker for DA so he doesn’t go batshit and kill us all.

    David will not turn to the dark path. David has no need for your fake orgasming prostitute.


  370. on August 5, 2009 at 7:45 pm Cannon's Canon

    sodini’s trance anthem:

    http://www.
    youtube.com/watch?v=fN-Ia072Vy4

    arpagus getting mad love in the jezebel comments! someone said they cried!


  371. DA asks, “Hell, how can you even get an erection for an ugly girl?”

    You might want to ask some guys who can. Here nobody but Obsidian will admit to getting a bone for someone who’s even a little chubby.

    Try the disabled sex forums. After the initial horror, someone will explain it to you.


  372. on August 5, 2009 at 7:49 pm Cannon's Canon

    oh my gawwwd, the jezebel comments are high comedy! i am going to have to start reading there recreationally.

    http://jezebel.com/5330560/gunman-murders-gym+going-women-misogynists-approve

    Check out this gem:
    “I agree that its sad, and currently I am having my own battle with loving a male friend of mine for four years. He likes the little house on the prairie type, long blond hair, homely looks, skinny as a rail. Me? I’m 300 pounds, I have sometimes red sometimes black hair, and I wear glasses and I have catapillar eyebrows.
    I tried convincing him that what is in the inside is what counts, and that we would make a great couple. He couldn’t get past my weight.”

    hahahhahahahahahaha


  373. Check out this gem:
    “I agree that its sad, and currently I am having my own battle with loving a male friend of mine for four years. He likes the little house on the prairie type, long blond hair, homely looks, skinny as a rail. Me? I’m 300 pounds, I have sometimes red sometimes black hair, and I wear glasses and I have catapillar eyebrows.
    I tried convincing him that what is in the inside is what counts, and that we would make a great couple. He couldn’t get past my weight.”

    The problem is, beta males don’t realize that asking attractive chicks to overlook their betaness is just as laughable in the eyes of an attractive chick.


  374. You might want to ask some guys who can.

    Viagra, alcohol, and drugs don’t count.


  375. @Tood
    I don’t think Sarah Palin represents very much of what feminists support. She’s amazing for not being afraid to have a large family and running a career, but the execution is sloppy.

    But you are right. I am astounded always by how intelligent, extremely capable, and stronger men can be than women in a multitude of day-to-day or even more extreme situations in which women are generally just lost.

    Women can be perceptive, certainly. But our perceptive gifts are nothing without the protection, guidance, input, and actions of a strong man.


  376. @grim-thanks

    Tupac Again with the “trophies.”
    No, it’s like this:
    Long ago, people paired up equally: 3’s with 3’s, 5’s with 5’s, 8’s with 8’s, etc., more or less

    Come on Tupac the cuntullah was unnessary. For the love of God, I’m sure you’ve seen and heard some men who are 2-5 brag about only blessing 8+ with their rancid seed.


  377. Nicole:

    Arpagus, how well do you think that embittered men raping and killing women for not putting out would fly if you were just not permitted access to women?

    I agree, you can prevent violence against women by segregating the sexes. Some cultures have understood this and it is not a bad idea, especially when lots of men are deprived of sex.

    As things are, I understand how the current system creates a relative deprivation problem…but would total deprivation be better?

    Of course not, but I am assuming the alternative is not total deprivation, but steady access to one woman.

    Do you think your life would be easier if your only option for sex outside of marriage was prostitutes?

    Yes, definitely, if I had a marriage. My point is that it is better for most men if we have a good chance of getting a wife.

    …if to get consensual sex otherwise, you had to pass the scrutiny of a woman’s family and commit to her?

    I’m asking because some families here have actually rolled back to that. The previous generation saw the bad consequences of being more liberal, so they’ve rolled back to not allowing the girls to go anywhere without a chaperone, and older wives are either chaperoned or time checked.

    That is understandable. It is not safe to let women associate freely with sexually frustrated men. But if most men had a wife, I don’t think there would be such a great need for chaperoning.


  378. I don’t think “game” would have prevented this crime. Lack of sex is just a symptom of his disorders; low self esteem, severe depression, and a consuming sense of isolation seem to be the root cause.

    As a thought experiment, let’s say he was in an unhappy marriage. Would he still have shot up LA Fitness? Probably not, but I can see him going on a rampage at his workplace or a similar venue. I agree with other commenters that having kids would have made him more invested in society, but, modulo that involvement, the guy was clearly unhappy with society. An unhappy marriage or a few cheap flings would only serve to focus that aggression into a different pigeon hole.

    Related note: I recently picked up Houellebecq’s “Elementary Particles” after learning about the author from one of Half Sigma’s commenters. Many Roissy-isms seem to be derived from his work; it’s highly recommended.


  379. From his pictures he looks a little…gay. Just a tad effeminate. Pretty smile. Small and slender like a …woman? I think this guy may have had some latent homosexual issue going on that he either completely repressed and perhaps this “blog” of his was a means of covering that up before he planned on going out. No sex for twenty years? No girlfriend? It is not THAT hard to find these things. A certain amount of men who go violent in this way have some sort of issues like latent homosexuality. I think part of the problem with violence in some Islamic societies is the hidden homosexual subculture which exists, fueled by inaccessible women and religious fanaticism. Men engage secretly in homosexual acts, then hate themselves for it, and then become violent as a way of acting out. I am sure Mohammad Atta was flaming queen who could just never come out. This guy probably would have been better off if he found some other dude to share blowjobs with. Who knows. Whatever the case, this dude was just fucked up. It had little to do with him being “rejected” by women. They rejected him because he obviously creeped them out. Women are not attracted to creepy men. Ever.

    The danger with the PUA stuff is that it makes fucking women the be all and end all of life. This is not the case, there is more to life than just sex, and becoming obsessed with scoring endless babes can be damaging after a while. There is a lot more to life than pussy. Everyone needs a balance. Everyone need love, whether from women or from friends, etc. Go after pussy, enjoy the thrills of seduction, and learn from it, but also cultivate other things as well, such as your mind and, if you believe in it, your soul. Hell, even Roissy believes he has a soul, because he knows he is at least going to hell and plans on enjoying life as much a possible while he is here before his father Satan calls him home to say, “Good work my son, your spread my message well, now welcome back home.” So you got to respect him for that. Plus I am sure there is lots of quality and kinky pussy down there by the river Styx. When Roissy ends up in hell I expect some blog posts on the pussy down there.


  380. Check out this gem:
    “I agree that its sad, and currently I am having my own battle with loving a male friend of mine for four years. He likes the little house on the prairie type, long blond hair, homely looks, skinny as a rail. Me? I’m 300 pounds, I have sometimes red sometimes black hair, and I wear glasses and I have catapillar eyebrows.
    I tried convincing him that what is in the inside is what counts, and that we would make a great couple. He couldn’t get past my weight.”

    hahahhahahahahahaha

    Problem is, beta males don’t realize they come off just as laughable and pathetic when they try to convince attractive chicks to resist their natural revulsion and overlook their betaness because they would make such a great couple.


  381. Sorry for double post, thought the first one didn’t go through


  382. DA, it’s probably going to be something along the lines of:

    She may have (insert mass approved definition of ugly) but she has (insert mass approved or unique feature of beauty/suitability).

    The strength to deal with the fact that life is brutally fair is a crucial plus. One has to be comfortable with the idea that the rain falls on both the righteous and the wicked, as the good book would say.

    One cannot have moral values attached to physical evidence of human mortality.

    Read the chapter about the ugliest man in _Thus Spake Zarathustra_.


  383. “More generally: sure, prolonged celibacy and loneliness can’t be good for someone’s self-esteem or mental health, but my guess is that this guy’s other issues caused the prolonged celibacy in the first place.”

    As usual, DaveinHackensack nailed it before me.

    Ugh — that has an unintended connotation on Roissy’s blog.


  384. Re: 3s dating 3s, 7s dating 7s, etc. and female entitlement

    I don’t know how many women really think they deserve a man hotter than their own level?

    Out of curiousity, I’ve posted on hotornot a few times and consistently received 8.4-8.8. But I don’t feel entitled to date an 8 or 9, and would much prefer a man who will treat me well and connect with me emotionally. Someone rated 5 or 6, I would be comfortable and happy to date as long as he treated with top love and respect. A 7 or + man looks wise is something to feel lucky about and not entitled to have, and I’m sure there’s more women who feel that way.


  385. on August 5, 2009 at 8:00 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Nicole,

    The laws are a bigger nut to crack than the social situation.

    But the laws are the only thing that really matters.

    Evangelical Christians and social cons never stopped sermonizing about the ‘sanctity of marriage’. That still is a pea shooter against steel when the judicial system itself has laws that provide incentives for women to divorce rather than stay married for life. So clearly, this is not enough.

    Social shaming has a small effect against the might of judicial machinery. Remember, if the ‘laws say that the man has to pay this much’, most people, particularly women, will automatically consider it morally acceptable. It takes outside the box thinking to change a law, since most people will go along with the status quo. This is one reason why Jim Crow laws lasted as long as they did.

    Well, the way men are treated in divorce court and the media is very much like a 21st century version of Jim Crow, with men instead of blacks being the victim.

    Changing the laws are the only silver bullet. Every other change is a downstream derivative of this. This, unfortunately, will not happen soon, so my Four Horsemen scenario is presently the most likely outcome for the Western World of 2020.


  386. Tood If women are so perceptive, why don’t they see how extremely anti-male divorce laws and general misandry are hurting average women a lot?

    Ignorance or perception, I don’t think the average woman really believes the average man loses much in a divorce. Those tails of men losing half and/or millions are from hollywood and the oligarchy.

    Why don’t average women rise up to roll back feminism

    because feminism came with good things for women. I can have my husband arrested if he beats me. My child won’t be left destitute if my husband or I decide to leave the marriage. I can become more than a teacher, nurse or secretary if I have the aptitude.
    Some women simply are meant to be housewives…period. Just as some men aren’t meant to sit of the table with the CEO and CFO.

    which is preventing them from getting a guy to marry them?

    Many women don’t want to get married and others just want to wait and enjoy life a bit before they do. Women give up a lot when they marry, I know my writing that upsets you of which I don’t mean to btw but we do.
    If you and I were married tomorrow, you would probably want a lot of sayso over how I live my life, what I look like, how I spend my free time, and hassle me to sleep with you, curtail my traveling, tell me what to wear, pick choose and delete my friends at will etc.

    Some women come to resent those things overtime even if they love(d) their husband.

    Why do women who consider themselves ‘feminists’ hate Sarah Palin so much,

    I don’t hate Sara Palin and I don’t think the average woman who calls herself a feminist hates Sara Palin. If Palin had Hillary Clinton’s intellect in addition to her other charms, people could make a better argument about feminists hating Palin because she is pretty or has a large family etc…

    when in fact she is a role model for every goal the feminists said they support?

    Not really, she is a bit rightwinged and her teen daughter got knocked up. She doesn’t come across as being knowledgeable about the issues. The Katie Kouric interview is legendary and will haunt her days in politics. Even I, blk low iq prole female from NYC could of taken a stab at the Supreme Court discussion question.

    Tood, I didn’t write these answers to make you angry so if they upset please don’t become hostile. I’m simply writing how I and other women whom I come in contact with, feel.
    The problems between the sexes can be largely blamed on perception and the way the two genders communicate.

    During my first couple of months here, I thought roissy was just being an ass at times. Then it dawned on me that his perception and that of most of the men here will be very different from my own because they are men. Looking back, I realized that I often saw things differently than my brothers and boyfriends did. Maybe I should of pushed things more but because I not much of a debater or arguer (in person) I just let most things go.


  387. joe via jezz He likes the little house on the prairie type, long blond hair, homely looks, skinny as a rail. Me? I’m 300 pounds, I have sometimes red sometimes black hair, and I wear glasses and I have catapillar eyebrows

    the catapillar eyebrows can be changed in 20 minutes. a set of twizzers and wax will fix that. nice eyebrows can make a plain woman pretty.


  388. Epistemological rabbit hole:

    “This guy was a psycho because he couldn’t get chicks”

    “This guy couldn’t get chicks because he was a psycho”


  389. Evangelical Christians and social cons never stopped sermonizing about the ’sanctity of marriage’.

    Kthula was onto something when she said that the critial mass moment will come when cool teenage boys start telling girls that they dress like whores.

    This goes along with Mencius’s assertions that massive social change happens when those who are cool, young, smart and fashionable start promiting these new ideas.

    Unfortunately Evangelical Christians and social cons are uncool and in a way for that reason they undermine the cause by being its spokesmen.

    In other words, one Roissy is worth 100 Larry Austers.


  390. @ Ryder–

    With regard to the true % of the “walking dead” (ie, celibate men) in 2009 Amerika, what proportion of these men do you suppose have a legit shortcoming that prevents them from getting laid?

    You’ve often written about the undeniable cultural rot and the promiscuity it fosters in women. I think Whiskey would argue that, although the rampant promiscuity makes it relatively easy to bang a chick, if said chick is a 5 or above you’d better be an Alpha…or at the very least, you better have Game.

    Is it realistic to expect a 48 year-old man with a full time job to go out in the urban bars (which are basically obnoxious cesspools) on a CONSISTENT enough basis to learn Game and score some trim? Should an adult man with decent looks, education, and sense of humor have to jump through such hoops to get his dick wet? (we’re assuming our man has no legit shortcoming that is a dealbreaker with women)

    In other words, is it really that easy for a brohiem to get laid in this wondrous culture of ours?


  391. @tood- I ansered your questions but the comment is in moderation for now(8:00pm).

    Nicole So even a disturbed guy like him could get regular and even some freaky sex daily, from a decent wife if he was interested in that.
    Problem is that he was disturbed and not interested in that. It’s not non hot chicks’ fault if we’re invisible to the overly entitled looking for trophies

    I gotta say I think you hit it out of the part here. Either he was giving off an pycho aura or his standards were too high. I recall a lady given the nickname “chipmunk”(forget cigstash) from one of Roissy rate the women surveys. She was given a 4 by the men here.

    I wonder if Sodini would of passed her up hoping for a hotter piece.
    We given see something similar with virgin@40(no disrespect v40) ignoring an 8 for a chance with a 10.
    On the otherhand, he was a nice looking older man from his pic but he should of recalibrated his standards if he couldn’t pull the 9&10’s.


  392. Arpagus
    There is a story on literotica called “Third Wheel Takes Over,” and it contains what I’m talking about, I encourage you and all other beta males to read it and enjoy it!


  393. “That’s the problem. 3s shouldn’t be mating with other 3s. If they can’t secure 7s and up, they should just simply “drop-out” of the relationship market. If you’re ugly, why should you reinforce your ugliness with an ugly partner?

    Hell, how can you even get an erection for an ugly girl?”

    Pussy’s pussy.


  394. Arpagus – Only then will women hopefully abandon their equality and be forced to settle monogamously by sheer economic necessity.

    Rape and violence towards women is not going to change things. Sheer economic necessity can and will, but by different means.

    I’m of the opinion that the American economy and government cannot continue. Whether it is this recession which plunges into a depression, or the next one, we are heading full speed towards a hard crash. We’ve exported too many good, stable careers. We’ve burdened our businesses with tax and environmental laws which make it impossible for them to compete globally. We’ve made electricity expensive and made ourselves slaves to oil exporters all in the name of the environment. We’ve made it so expensive to live, between over regulated products, energy prices, and taxes that family formation is more difficult than it ever was for our parents and grandparents. And we’ve expanded government spending far beyond a sustainable point. Rather than reverse these trends we are accelerating our efforts to make things worse. (IMHO this is all driven primarily by female participation in politics. Giving women the right to vote was one of the worst decisions this nation ever made.)

    Right now there is not one, but two bills before Congress either of which can single handedly destroy what’s left of our economy (the Cap and Trade bill and the Health Care bill), and our so called president and Congress are trying as hard as they can to pass both over massive and angry citizen opposition. Our yearly deficit spending is around the $2 trillion mark and NotMyPresident wants to accelerate spending into collapsing tax receipts. He is completely ignorant of the fact that the bond market is already showing signs of a break down. China, Japan, and the middle east don’t want more of our worthless debt. They know we’re falling apart as an economy and are unlikely to produce our way out of this mess or ever pay off the debt.

    When, not if, our culture of debt collapses the rules will change and women will be forced to make different decisions in the name of survival.

    What scares me is that there’s no way to predict how the collapse will play out. It’s not going to be a pretty correction, and there’s no reason to believe America will emerge the same strong and free nation it has been for so long.


  395. on August 5, 2009 at 8:09 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Dreamer,

    But you are right. I am astounded always by how intelligent, extremely capable, and stronger men can be than women in a multitude of day-to-day or even more extreme situations in which women are generally just lost.

    Women can be perceptive, certainly. But our perceptive gifts are nothing without the protection, guidance, input, and actions of a strong man.

    Well said. Yes, women can be very perceptive IN THE MICRO about judging a guy, judging the dynamics at a small party, etc.

    But women are AWFUL at estimating the MACRO. By macro, I mean the broader social/political/technological trends that do affect them.

    Of the top 20 Futurists in the world, none are women. There is no possibility of sexism here, one becomes a Futurist by building a track record of good predictions.

    Also, I could not help but notice that American men are the ones condemning mistreatment of women in Islamic countries. Western Women, who have more reason to condemn this, were significantly less vocal on this issue…

    That is why my Four Horsemen scenario is a virtual certainty by 2020, even if only 2 or 3 of the four happen (search the archives for more on this). 99.9% of women are totally clueless about this series of events that will affect them greatly.

    I urge you to really think outside the box to see what CAN happen. Consider that the collapse of the USSR, the dot-com bubble, and the real estate bubble were unanticipated even 2 years before they happened.

    Women will be in big trouble by 2020, largely due to feminism.


  396. @dreamer -” A 7 or + man looks wise is something to feel lucky about and not entitled to have, and I’m sure there’s more women who feel that way.”

    I have said in other posts that I prefer a man to be less or equal to me in points on the looks scale. A man who I feel is much better looking than I am makes me feel insecure. I have no sense of entitlement in regards to super good looks. I know I’m very similar to many women in this regard, besides we’re into more than looks alone us females (LR excluded – she likes em hot!). That said if Mr. Hottie makes me His Naughty comes along I’ll live with it. ;)


  397. Arpagus says, “It is not safe to let women associate freely with sexually frustrated men. But if most men had a wife, I don’t think there would be such a great need for chaperoning.”

    Whew! I was pretty sure I understood what you were saying, but I had to make sure. You know many of the guys posting here are a bit off balance and don’t see the whole picture.

    So you agree this thing is messed up from both sides, and that a big part of the problem is depletion of the supply of suitable wives. Segregation is one way of combatting frustration and rampant voluntary (read socially encouraged) devaluing of women in the ways nature determines value. I’m not sure if that’s plausible for everyone at this point in time, so in my opinion, encouraging modesty, politeness, and realistic self care is probably the best most people can do, like, today.

    …though in the interfaith clothing giveaway programs, we found that many girls actually did not own any modest clothes. That was some scary stuff.

    Accountability is something men can do though. They can be honest about their feelings, at least with female friends and relatives.

    My relatives are far away, but before my boyfriend, my friends were still very honest with me. Guys should not be PC about these things.


  398. @chic noir
    that’s really nice regarding the woman w/ the crush on the friend, but after the cosmetic treatment she’s still 300 pounds.

    someone that heavy must be suffering from some type of emotional and / or physical issues, which sorta show they aren’t the best choice for a starting a devoted romantic relationship.


  399. PA Kthula was onto something when she said that the critial mass moment will come when cool teenage boys start telling girls that they dress like whores.

    http://jakandjil.com/blog/?p=2609

    sexy without being ^^^trashy. A-cups PA :)

    Some women are deserate for attention, just as some men are desperate for poon. I can across a recent study that said people in my age group would take fame over wealth. Reread that, fame over wealth, so what does that say about young Americans. fame is fleeting but wealth is power which can lead to a dynasty.


  400. Narcissism is being blamed for a recent horrific murder mutilation here in NZ.

    For those who wish to explore a dark mind…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10586061


  401. @ PA–

    Was it Larry Auster who once described the Chateau Roissy as “pornographic”?

    Any so-called “conservative” who would do that is tone deaf.*

    Roissy hits the cultural Marxists where it hurts, by both acknowledging that he is “not a good man” and rejoicing in the good times the daughters of the SWPL crowd afford him on his Bed of Sin.

    *–then again, conservatives are deaf, blind, and dumb in more ways than one. That’s why they lose and the Left wins.


  402. sexy without being ^^^trashy. A-cups PA

    If all women on Earth had boobies larger than B-cup, I too would be shooting up gyms.


  403. For some reason I can’t post links so I will post the whole story here,

    Third Wheel Takes Over

    I’m just your average everyday guy. About 5’10”, decent shape. Not a model but not hard on the eyes either. I had gotten out of a one year relationship and decided to ask a girl from work if she wanted to go out. I had worked with Kim for a few months and we had hit it off pretty well so I asked her if she wanted to hang out one night. I was hoping she would agree because I had been admiring her red hair and 5’1″, 100 pound tight little body for a while. She said yes, so we made plans to go out that Friday evening to a local restaurant. Dinner was going great and we decided to end the evening with a nightcap and (hopefully) a trip back to my house. I couldn’t wait to get a shot at her tiny little body. Since I knew how I was hoping the evening would end, I picked a bar close to my place and we settled in.

    As we were enjoying a drink, I felt a strong hand slap me on the back. I looked up and saw Nate, a friend from class and the basketball courts who was a good guy, but extremely cocky. However, from what I saw (and had heard), he had reason to be. Unlike most guys, Nathan really did look like he could be a model standing 6’2″ with brown hair, tan skin and body that looked like it had been carved from stone. Without really being invited, Nate sat down at our table and ordered a drink. I introduced Nate to Kim and could tell right away that might have been a mistake as it was obvious that she thought he was very attractive. After another drink and more small talk, Nate looked around and then said “Ryan, I don’t see a waitress, go get another round of drinks.” Though I was a little taken back by the way he just told me to do it, I found myself rising from my chair and walking to the bar. As I waited for our drinks, I glanced back at the table and saw Kim laughing at something Nate said and slapping him playfully. It was almost like I was the third wheel instead of him.

    When I got back to the table, Nate took his drink and without looking up at me said, “I was just telling Kim that I have some pretty good smoke back at my house. Why don’t you two follow me over? It’s not far.”

    He then stood up and Kim stood too. Before I could protest, I heard her say “come on Ryan, it will be fun” so we followed him out to the parking lot and started driving to his house. I asked Kim if she was sure about this and without even looking at me just said that she was sure it would be a good time. We got to Nate’s apartment and he welcomed us in. He quickly produced the pot he had promised and lit up the first joint. Combined with the drinks I had already had, I was beyond high and started rubbing Kim’s back. She surprised me by moving her hand immediately to my chest as Nate just watched. I pulled her in for a long wet kiss, my hands moving up and down that little body I had been wanting for so long.

    I then heard Nate say that she appeared a little too dressed and telling her to stand up. She a look of pure lust on her face as she stood and Nate wasted no time telling her simply “take off your clothes now.” I looked on in disbelief as she proceeded to do exactly that, peeling off first her shirt and then her jeans. I pulled her down to me in just her bra and panties. My 6 inch cock as hard as it had ever been straining against my jeans. She kissed me hungrily as I grabbed her ass and felt her hand undoing my jeans. My cock sprang out and her hand wrapped around it before she fell to her knees and took it into her mouth.

    I was enjoying the feel of my cock in her mouth when I glanced up and saw Nate starting to undress. I remembered quickly how much I always admired what great shape he was in as he removed his shirt. He just smiled and winked at me as he watched Kim’s head bob up and down the length of my cock. His hands started working on his own jeans now and he pulled them off. That’s when I got the first surprise of the night as Nate’s cock popped into view. I had only seen something like this in a porn film as his cock dangled far out in front of him. It had to be at least 8 inches long and twice as fat as mine, certainly bigger than any that I had seen. He lewdly stroked it a couple of times and it actually seemed to swell larger. I felt Kim’s mouth leave my cock and then saw the startled look on her face as she saw Nate standing there. I was obvious that she was on fire from the sight of his ripped body and huge cock. Without even a “sorry” I watched as she crawled over to him and started to lick and suck at his big dick. It wasn’t quite as easy for her as mine had been as her mouth stretched over the head and it looked like she could only get an inch or two of the shaft into her mouth.

    As I watched, all thoughts of having my date stolen or any angry feelings over Nate taking over my date were forgotten as I watched Kim struggle to suck his cock. I had started to remove my clothes and rub my cock as I watched her get as much of that big cock into her mouth as she could. I then heard Nate say “hey man, you might want to fuck her first. Otherwise, you might not feel a thing.” Even though he chuckled as he said this, I knew he was right and quickly shed the rest of my clothes and moved in behind Kim. I reached down between her legs and was stunned to feel how wet she was. I then slid my cock in completely and started to fuck her from behind as hard and fast as I could. Little moans escaped her mouth as she continued to suck on Nate cock. As turned on as I was, I knew I would not last long and after only a couple of minutes, I pushed in as far as I could go and came in probably the hardest orgasm of my life. I pulled out spent and heard Nate pull Kim’s mouth off his cock and tell her to get on the bed. He smiled down at me, nudged me out of the way and told me to “watch this.” He then stood over the bed, pulled Kim to the edge and slammed his big dick all the way inside her soaked cunt with just one thrust. Her screams filled the room (and probably woke a neighbor or two up) as Nate wasted little time putting that big dick to work.

    As I sat on the floor, spent, high and still a little drunk, I watched as Nate put on a clinic on how to fuck a hot girl to orgasm after orgasm. First on her back, then on all fours, then in his lap and it went on and on. Nate fucked Kim in positions I hadn’t thought of or wasn’t equipped to actually fuck a woman in. His big cock sliding in and out as the sweat rolled off his muscular frame and Kim just screamed, panted and begged for him to “fuck me hard with your big dick baby.”. I just watched as this stud took my date to heights I could only dream of.

    Finally after at least an hour of this, I heard Nate ask her where she wanted his cum and she told him to cum in her mouth. I then watched as he pulled his cock out and aimed it at her willing and ready tongue. Then I watched her lips close over the head as he came in her mouth, spurt after spurt and she swallowed it all. My own cock was now hard again as I stared in disbelief.

    Before I could do anything about my own hard-on, I heard Nate say “hey man, I need a towel, go in there and get me one.” Again, it wasn’t a request and I just did as he said. When I got back in the room, Kim was still just laid out on the bed, almost passed out from the fucking she had just received. I also couldn’t help but notice how the sweat on Nate’s body really put every muscle on display. I had to admit he looked incredible. As I offered him the towel, he just said “get my back” and turned around. I started rubbing the towel over his shoulders and back and without even thinking about it, found myself on my knees running the towel over his ass and legs. I was surprised at how hard his body felt. It really was like stone and my hands moved the towel along his calves until he turned around. Suddenly I found myself only a couple of inches from that huge cock that I had watched him work my date over with. From this angle, it looked even bigger as I couldn’t help but smell Kim’s scent on it. I looked up at Nate and he looked down at me, smiling. He then nodded and I felt one of his hands on the back of my head. To this day, I am not sure why but I didn’t resist as I felt the head of his cock press first against my lips and then into my quickly stretching mouth.

    Nate slowly started to pump his cock in and out of my mouth as I struggled not to gag and just relax. I licked the sides and tried to suck in with my cheeks just like women had done to me when giving me head. I heard Nate grunt above me to watch my teeth and to just relax. Then I heard him say “you like that baby” and glanced up to see Kim, her eyes on fire and her hand furiously rubbing her clit as she watched me suck him. Kim just nodded as she took in the sight of her “date” sucking off the stud that had just fucked her senseless.

    After a few more minutes of having his cock in my mouth, Nate pulled me off by my hair and made his way back to Kim. He then got on this back and told her to ride him. Like me, she did as she was told and I watched as she came again and again while straddling his cock. After she came with her loudest scream of the night, Nate held her tight against his hips and his body jerked as he came yet again. Kim just rolled off of him back onto her stomach, her eyes glazed and he pointed at her and told me to take a turn. I know I shouldn’t have but I just had to cum again so I moved in behind her sliding my cock into her sopping cunt. Nate was right when he said I wouldn’t feel anything as his tool had stretched her good but I didn’t care. I pumped for just a few minutes before emptying my second load of the night into her spent pussy. She just kind of looked up and then passed out. I just looked back at Nate as he smiled at me with his cocky grin and I wondered what I had gotten myself into.


  404. @aoefe
    right. a man’s value is much more and beyond his looks.


  405. dreamer

    that’s really nice regarding the woman w/ the crush on the friend

    thank you

    *blushes sweetly*

    but after the cosmetic treatment she’s still 300 pounds.
    very true. some men can look past a big body(although 300 is pushing it) if the face isn’t too bad.

    someone that heavy must be suffering from some type of emotional and / or physical issues, which sorta show they aren’t the best choice for a starting a devoted romantic relationship.

    agreed, unless she is apart of that 10% who are heavy because of health related problems, she has an eating disorder which is related to other things gone wrong in her life.


  406. Auster called Roissy a “whoremonger” and demanded apologies from the reader who forwarded R’s blog to him. He said this blog is pornography.

    However, a few months later one of Auster’s regulars did point out that Roissy may be worth reading. The topic of discussion was attractive women who run off with thugs and get killed.


  407. having beaten my head against auster’s brick wall in many exchanges about evolution i imagine he would get the vapors and die if he read this blog. he’s a neurasthenic old lady in pants


  408. The dude was fucked in the head. Learning some PUA wouldhn’t have uncrazified him.


  409. @ PA–

    No doubt about it, Auster is beta.


  410. stan b Pussy’s pussy.

    *shakes head in agrrement.*
    With all the “frontin” being done here you would never think so.

    hansen A celibate needs to actively work to transmute his sexual drive or else it will only lead to frustration.

    bingo my good man, you’re right. I recall reading something about a sect in India who exercised for an excessive amount of time per day to burn off the sexual energy. The Shakers(American) had their thing with dancing to burn off the energy.

    from the diary Most people there( at his job) are OK and I would never have a shoot ‘em up there.

    Can you imagine what his coworkers are thinking after reading this.

    *slow exhale*
    *wipes brow*


  411. What a sad story. Sounds like his entire sense of self-worth was based on his lack of having any female companionship, and felt like a hopeless failure.

    Too bad he didn’t have any caring friends, coworkers, or family to try and help him though his personals struggles.

    About male vs. female despair and unlearning messed up gender roles, a lot of people here made points similar to what I would have. Just throwing in my thoughts, apologies if this is inappropriate to the topic or seems insensitive in light of the tragedy:

    Men are biologically driven to seek out sex with as many women as possible in order to spread their genes. So Male Game = Sex Game.

    Women are biologically driven to seek out the most worthy candidate to help them propagate their genes through their precious limited eggs; this includes a man with superior genetics along with *a man who will protect her and support in making sure the the precious fertilized egg survives.* So Women Game = Marriage/Commitment Game.

    Men obsess over getting laid. Women obsess about having a boyfriend/husband. In both cases, it seems like getting the opposite is easy (men can get married easily if they want and lower standards, women can get laid easily if they want and lower standards).

    A woman can be getting laid but she will most likely hope to get a boyfriend or husband out of it.

    When women first meet each other, one of the first questions they ask is “Do you have a boyfriend?” Women spend their entire lives completely openly OBSESSED about finding a boyfriend, then about whether that guy is going to propose, how their wedding will be, how their new house will be, how many kids they’ll have, etc.

    Men on the other hand, I doubt ever talk about having a girlfriend and instead talk allll the time about getting laid, and the quality of the lay, etc.

    Many men use women for sex, and lie to get it too. And, many men out there are perfectly using a girl for companionship and emotional support, they’ll move in with her but not marry her, or go out with her for years and then dump her and marry someone younger in months. This is a big cause of angst for many women. I know several girls in deep depression now over stuff like this.

    That’s all, it’s interesting to hear the male perspective here. I feel for many of you, not everyone gets support to overcome early rejections or has exposure to good Alpha role models. I hope you don’t turn your anger to women as a result though – and I really hope you don’t do what this guy did. We can all change, it’s never too late to make tomorrow better than yesterday.


  412. List of commenters who seem to have the same email picture/address:

    Lucifer
    Snatch magnet
    Dreamer
    Joe
    StanB
    Selenium
    MA
    Hungry Hungry Hippos Yo
    Marcus Aureliette
    Madras
    Game in BK
    Tommy
    The Rookie
    College Boy
    Dr. Grzlickson
    lynch
    Mandy Been Here a While
    There you Go:
    Christ

    Am I missing something?


  413. That is just the avatar you get when you don’t enter an email address.


  414. chic noir writes:

    “stan b Pussy’s pussy.

    *shakes head in agrrement.*
    With all the “frontin” being done here you would never think so.”

    Thank you. That bit of crudely-put wisdom was given to me from the greatest natural PUA that I ever had the pleasure to meet. I asked him why, after his personal slump of not getting laid for a couple of weeks, why he decided to bed a 4. That was his response.

    It hit me like I was the Buddha mediating under the Bodhi tree. Enlightened, I passed the wisdom to other AFC in my own predicament, and a slum-buster aphorism was born.


  415. Thanks for the info.


  416. on August 5, 2009 at 8:49 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    About this Sodini guy, it could have been far worse :

    He had 4 guns, yet killed only 3 people. VTech’s Cho killed 33, with fewer guns.

    He merely was getting rejected. Imagine if he had been a guy who had been ground up in divorce court. I expect we will see a lot more of those, rather than rejected lonely guys.


  417. The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood),

    While we may have our differences about some issues, I think we can agree on a few things:

    1] Women are NOT good at understanding complex systems or innovating.

    2] Feminism and technology has driven us into uncharted territory.

    3] The current system is screwed, unsustainable and in it’s last gasps.

    4] It cannot end nicely, as many will try very hard to maintain status quo.

    5] It is going to be hard to predict the event that will break this system’s back.


  418. @chic – “nice eyebrows can make a plain woman pretty”

    I say it t’aint so! Proof is in the pudding (or puddings in her case).


  419. Shocking story in that the guy’s picture shows him to be pretty nice looking for a 48 year-old man. Perhaps he was absolutely clueless about women, and as Roissy suggested, needed game very very badly. Im allowing for the possibility that he aimed way to high, but that really is an outside consideration. This guy probably hit on 5’s and 6’s in their middle/late 30’s.

    It really is a shame. A women who was relatively equally attractive would never do without dates.

    Once in a while a story shocks me. This one did. When I heard about it, I was figuring the line would be, “ex-husband/boyfriend……………….blah blah”, but it wasn’t.


  420. a-bax He mentions some woman giving him the eye at the gym, but not really attempting to pursue her, as he doesn’t want to get “distracted” from his “mission”. He keeps reinforcing negative outcomes in his mind, the very opposite of what should be done
    And
    rome 82Obsidian, surprised you haven’t remarked on the shooter’s diary entry on his resentments toward black men having the pick of the best white women. WTF? That totally goes against stereotype of black men only getting the white leftovers.

    When you read these two together, you can’t tell me this doesn’t sound like whiskey. I’m not teasing whiskey this time btw. I mean really, look at the two passages. Whiskey I hope you can see the similarities between yourself and this man in the same way that you can see the similarities between yourself and chuck


  421. z,

    Precisely, Even if that picture is a few years old, he looks better than 7/10 white men who reach 48. He had a good job, was not overweight, had over 250k saved up.. not retarded.

    What more does a woman want?


  422. I say it t’aint so! Proof is in the pudding (or puddings in her case).

    http://evileena.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/susan-boyle-before-and-after-makeover.jpg

    Chic said you can make a plain woman pretty. Susan Boyle was not plain, she was fucking hideous. So she’s not a good example to use to refute.


  423. He merely was getting rejected. Imagine if he had been a guy who had been ground up in divorce court. I expect we will see a lot more of those, rather than rejected lonely guys.

    It shocks me that we don’t see more of that already. I can’t imagine shooting someone over a dry spell. For that matter I can’t imagine shooting people who have never done a thing to me.

    But if I had kids and an ex wife who used the courts to steal my children and my money? I can easily see myself going over the deep end because of that. I wouldn’t shoot people who had nothing to do with it, but I could snap and hunt down the judge, ex, and her lawyer. Given what goes on in family court I don’t understand why we don’t see stuff like this on a daily basis.

    I have a friend who put a loaded gun in his jacket and went to his ex wife’s house after years of abuse from her and the courts. He fully intended to kill her. (I obviously didn’t know this until after or I would have tried to stop him.) For some reason rather than pull the gun he told her he fucking gave up and she could have the kids and ruin them, but that they would hate her later in life. Then he disappeared for weeks. I wonder how many close calls like that occur in our fucked up society. I can’t imagine the pain he was going through that drove him that close to the edge, or the pain of literally being forced to choose between killing her (and most likely himself) or giving up his own children. I can only imagine that he stopped short thinking that the children would be better off with a bitch and seeing him on the occasional weekend than with both of their parents dead in a murder/suicide.

    We have created one fucked up society and have destroyed marriage and family.


  424. What more does a woman want?

    Alpha confidence and dominance. The man desperately needed male friends who understood game and could help him. He may have been unbalanced in other ways, but the loneliness took him right over the edge.


  425. DT,

    He did give it to them finally, all 50 rounds of it.. pity they did not like it.

    “Alpha confidence and dominance.”


  426. joe Chic said you can make a plain woman pretty. Susan Boyle was not plain, she was fucking hideous. So she’s not a good example to use to refute.
    joe that’s aoefe example. but to answer your question yes but probably not gorgeous and certainly not beautiful.

    dove did more than eyebrows.


  427. Tood If women are so perceptive, why don’t they see how extremely anti-male divorce laws and general misandry are hurting average women a lot?

    Ignorance or perception, I don’t think the average woman really believes the average man loses much in a divorce. Those tails of men losing half and/or millions are from hollywood and the oligarchy.

    Why don’t average women rise up to roll back feminism

    because feminism came with good things for women. I can have my husband arrested if he beats me. My child won’t be left destitute if my husband or I decide to leave the marriage. I can become more than a teacher, nurse or secretary if I have the aptitude.
    Some women simply are meant to be housewives…period. Just as some men aren’t meant to sit of the table with the CEO and CFO.

    which is preventing them from getting a guy to marry them?

    Many women don’t want to get married and others just want to wait and enjoy life a bit before they do. Women give up a lot when they marry, I know my writing that upsets you of which I don’t mean to btw but we do.
    If you and I were married tomorrow, you would probably want a lot of sayso over how I live my life, what I look like, how I spend my free time, and hassle me to sleep with you, curtail my traveling, tell me what to wear, pick choose and delete my friends at will etc.
    Some women come to resent those things overtime even if they love(d) their husband.


  428. from the diary I know this firm is using this downturn as an excuse to take advantage of a bad situation and kill jobs UNNECESSARILY.

    Hehe so he wasn’t trully left or right wing.

    from the diary I never even spent one weekend with a girl in my life, even at my own place.

    There must have been something about him that set of the female intuition danger signal.

    from the diary Even though I look good, dress well, well groomed – nails, teeth, hair, etc. Who knows.
    He looks alone should have been enough to get a woman who is looks first.

    From the diary I was always open to suggestions to what I am doing wrong, no brother or father (mine are useless) or close friend to nudge me and give it bluntly yet tactfully wtf I am doing wrong. And dad, old man, for TOTALLY ignoring me through the years.

    A father is so important to a young boy. As I’ve said many times, picking the father of child your child is the most important decision a woman will ever make.


  429. on August 5, 2009 at 9:15 pm Marcus Aureliette

    My disappointment with your reasoning stems from your automatic shaming language. Until he becomes homicidal, he matches the description of countless beta providers. Sodini developed his attitude while passing for a normal guy in a respectable, specialized job. This alone assures that he could interact with other people at a rudimentary level. Plenty of people are strikiningly less capable.

    You have him painted as a lunatic in your mind and will rationalize his behavior backwards, from this perspective. Not a de facto lie, but not very objective of you either.

    With all due respect, I have him painted as a lunatic in my mind because in real life he walked into a public place and started shooting at random people who had nothing whatsoever to do with whatever grudges he was nursing.

    What he did was the response of someone who was fundamentally unbalanced, not merely sexually frustrated. Frustration happens — blowing away strangers who’ve done nothing to harm you is never a reasonable means of coping with it.

    If he wanted to off himself, that’s his right. It’s sad, and it’s a shame he didn’t have anyone in his life to help him out of that despair, but it’s his right. But there’s no excuse for taking innocent people with him. That is the act of a coward.


  430. chic noir,

    Female Intuition= Bullshit

    If women were really intuitive, they would not end up in bad relationships so often. But almost every woman keeps on selecting for such guys. If you call that intuition.. that is your problem.


  431. Chic — what similarities between me and Chuck?

    There is no doubt that a certain section of women, educated and attractive, prefer Black men. Not many. But they are there. It does not affect me, one way or another, but it does tick off White guys who are not getting any. Since there is not an endless supply of hot women, and the more partners a woman has the less valued she is as a potential mate. And preference for more high-T guys tends to leave out the nerdy low-T guys. [Most attractive, educated women I know lust after various Black athletes, but would never go for it in person fearing “too much” T and aggression. The fantasy is harmless IMHO.]

    Again the danger is not guys going postal, but guys going tribal preferences, i.e. demanding their own AA preferences for Whites in dominant Black areas / spaces (like say, NFL mandating certain percentage White WR) and resisting inroads in their own domains.

    Violent outliers like this guy or the Black thug who murdered White Teen Lily Burk as she ran an errand in LA are more indicative of where the median has moved to than the violence itself. Because even violence tends to have limits. Note the guy did not want to go postal at work because he liked people there. The Black thug made no effort to hide his handiwork, because he’d had a revolving door of parole for decades. Same age too btw as the Pittsburgh killer. Guy was picked up dead stoned a few hours after he killed the gal.


  432. Marcus Aureliette,

    I do not think he killed the undeserving.


  433. on August 5, 2009 at 9:19 pm Tupac Chopra

    Obs:

    Good question you ask, and deserves what I hope is an equally good response…

    I personally think that the two points you raised are not mutually exclusive…

    From a purely practical standpoint, the individual guy’s last, best hope is learning Game to the best of his ability. In this way he has some chance of getting some degree of happiness in our postmodern, postfeminist world.

    That may be true, but it’s peanuts compared to the biological and social factors which condition and shape an individual’s chances in this world.

    I’m just saying, you can’t respond to every man’s cry of desperation with “Just learn Game”, as if it was a panacea.

    I’ve seen DA’s picture. I’ve known a couple DA’s back in my college days. I know the personality type. A personality type that is not amenable to change.

    Character is destiny.

    I’m telling you that there is no way in hell someone like DA will EVER bang anything more than a 5 (MAYBE a 6, if the chick is freaky enough…MAYBE) even with all the Game in the world.

    Just ain’t gonna happen in this new America.

    In another age, things might have been different.


  434. on August 5, 2009 at 9:20 pm Dave from Hawaii

    It shocks me that we don’t see more of that already. I can’t imagine shooting someone over a dry spell. For that matter I can’t imagine shooting people who have never done a thing to me.

    But if I had kids and an ex wife who used the courts to steal my children and my money? I can easily see myself going over the deep end because of that.

    The reason why we don’t see more of this is because men who have children, for the most part, at least have some contact with their children. Even in the cases of extreme alienation, Father’s don’t want to have to have their children grow up knowing their father was an infamous mass murderer.

    No…I think as wretched as the divorce court industry is right now, the Father’s still have at least a minimal investment in society for their childrens sake.

    It’s these cases of betas/omegas facing a life time of rejection while watching other guys getting pussy galore who are going to continue to carry out such mass murders.


  435. it does tick off White guys who are not getting any.

    Not really. Numbers-wise, white guys more than make up for the loss of mostly ugly white girls by dating high quality Asian girls.

    It’s not the single guys who don’t like miscegenation, Most don’t care. It’s parents of teenage girls.


  436. on August 5, 2009 at 9:22 pm Dave from Hawaii

    It shocks me that we don’t see more of that already. I can’t imagine shooting someone over a dry spell. For that matter I can’t imagine shooting people who have never done a thing to me.

    But if I had kids and an ex wife who used the courts to steal my children and my money? I can easily see myself going over the deep end because of that.

    The reason why we don’t see more of this is because men who have children, for the most part, at least have some contact with their children. Even in the cases of extreme alienation, Father’s don’t want to have to have their children grow up knowing their father was an infamous mass murderer.

    No…I think as wretched as the divorce court industry is right now, the Father’s still have at least a minimal investment in society for their childrens sake.

    It’s these cases of betas/o m e g a s facing a life time of rejection while watching other guys getting pussy galore who are going to continue to carry out such mass murders.


  437. Dave from Hawaii,

    We will see more of this, especially with the ongoing economic situation.


  438. on August 5, 2009 at 9:26 pm Tupac Chopra

    Cunthulah:

    Tupac, again, I do not think men should date or even shag anyone they find unattractive.

    I’m getting tired of having to repeat that.

    Fine, but yet you keep repeating the notion that mens’ gripes about not gettin’ any are because they are holding out for “unicorns” and “trophies”.

    That may be true for a subset of men, but there are many men who are shut out from the type of women who would have been within their reach 30-40 years ago.

    DA:

    That’s the problem. 3s shouldn’t be mating with other 3s. If they can’t secure 7s and up, they should just simply “drop-out” of the relationship market. If you’re ugly, why should you reinforce your ugliness with an ugly partner?

    Hugs?

    I kid.

    Hell, how can you even get an erection for an ugly girl?

    Some of us here have testosterone. Ever heard of it?

    Maybe we should pass the hat around for a hooker for DA so he doesn’t go batshit and kill us all.

    David will not turn to the dark path.

    Yeah, you’re just a pussy.


  439. It is amazing that so many SWPL guys are trying to demean this guy and push for gun control.

    Are they stupid, deluded or just nuts?


  440. on August 5, 2009 at 9:27 pm Tupac Chopra

    Chic:

    Come on Tupac the cuntullah was unnessary.

    Aw, I’m just straight reppin O.G. style. Nicole knows what time it is.

    Ain’t that right Nubianne?


  441. on August 5, 2009 at 9:29 pm Tupac Chopra

    Racer X:

    There is a lot more to life than pussy.

    OK who are you, where is Racer X and what have you done with him?


  442. John Gosselin: Stop Blaming Me, I Tried Therapy, Kate Ended It.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/05/jon-gosselin-stop-blaming_n_251617.html

    What is the biggest difference in your life now, compared to a year ago?

    Let’s go back to October of last year — that’s when all of this happened. Kate basically came to me out of the blue and said, “I am done. You are going to live your life, and I am going to live my life.” I was like, “What?” I didn’t really know what was going on. When she said that, I was really upset and nervous.

    Why did she want to break up?

    I think she initiated the split because she wanted a career. Maybe I wasn’t sure what I wanted to do, and she was going to move on regardless. I said, “Are you sure about this?”


  443. on August 5, 2009 at 9:31 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Damnit, the first two sentences were supposed to be blockquoted…

    It shocks me that we don’t see more of that already. I can’t imagine shooting someone over a dry spell. For that matter I can’t imagine shooting people who have never done a thing to me.

    But if I had kids and an ex wife who used the courts to steal my children and my money? I can easily see myself going over the deep end because of that.

    Oh Lucifer, I think this latest case is us already seeing “more of this.”


  444. but there are many men who are shut out from the type of women who would have been within their reach 30-40 years ago.

    Personal theory: 85% of men would be happy to marry 3s-6s as long as they weren’t fat.

    Women just don’t fucking understand how repulsive fatness is. It’s worse that pussy odor. It’s worse than open sores. Fatness is a complete and utter disqualifier.

    And those 3s-6s have gotten fat. Leaving guys with their dicls in the wind and non-fatties with cosmically-inflated expectations.


  445. Given the high cost of ammunition, I practice careful gun control myself. It does help that I have a reloading press.


  446. http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/f4j/

    I think they did more for MRA than any gun-toting fool.

    Tupac: The DA persona is somewhat of a celeberity. That’s been known to make things happen. Who knows?


  447. on August 5, 2009 at 9:35 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lucifer:

    Precisely, Even if that picture is a few years old, he looks better than 7/10 white men who reach 48. He had a good job, was not overweight, had over 250k saved up.. not retarded.

    What more does a woman want?

    Gina tingle.

    “Twas not beauty, but hypergamy that killed the Beast.”


  448. Tupac Chopra,

    I am sure that some women in that place felt a tingling sensation during or after the 50 rounds were discharged… many will probably remember that experience for years to come.


  449. on August 5, 2009 at 9:40 pm Willard Libby

    PA

    Fatness is a complete and utter disqualifier.

    ……for White guys. On the other hand black, latino and pacific islander men not only have no problem with it they actually prefer fat women to the thin women so many White guys crave.


  450. on August 5, 2009 at 9:41 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Lucifer – If you look deeper, here’s the REAL reason why she wanted to break up:

    John:

    I want to go out with my friends, Hailey says, “Oh, go out.” I’m not used to that. I was used to, “No, no, it’s your fault.” Sometimes I ask Hailey permission, like I used to do with Kate, and she says, “You don’t have to ask permission.”

    He beta-ized.

    She lost all attraction and respect for him.


  451. on August 5, 2009 at 9:42 pm mellow pixie dream girl

    This is my first time here and I’m perplexed about some of the comments. What happened to just talking to women? Just talking, no jedi mind tricks or other bs.

    If men made it a goal to initiate a conversation with a woman once a day, any woman: the waitress, the barrista, the woman in line ahead of you at the supermarket, I think eventually they’d grow accustomed to approaching women in a casual and non creepy way. I think women can sense when some guy is perpetrating a game on them, and it’s off-putting.

    Maybe the conversation thing is the key – when you meet someone spontaneously and just start talking, you both can sense if there’s an attraction, and go from there.

    I don’t mean to lecture anyone here, just offer some constructive suggestions – I think if you operate with a game mentality, you’re going to find yourself perpetually playing games and being played.

    My advice would be to look for someone whom you find attractive who also seems nice and fairly laid back. If you devote all of your attention to a game with the objective of bamboozling some random bimbo, you’re going to miss out on developing a real relationship with a woman capable of loving you back.

    In any case, good luck to you all – if anything I’ve said rings true, great, if not… then by all means return to the tried and true doctrine of that ponytail dude with the furry hat and space goggles who appears to have been cryogenically frozen circa 1992 and reanimated in 2007 as the host of a reality show : )


  452. Dave from Hawaii,

    What about the system that created men like him? He is the product of a fucked up system.


  453. mellow pixie dream girl,

    Why would a guy do that? oh, I get it… you want alimony, child support and the satisfaction of fucking over a guy who cares.


  454. on August 5, 2009 at 9:49 pm Dave from Hawaii

    No doubt. Just pointing out the key factor that nobody even recognizes precisely because of the ‘system’ that molds men to turn into beta wimps when they get married and have children.

    Ask permission to go out?

    Never…ever….ever….EVER ask your woman for “permission.”


  455. @Lucifer/DT
    -What more could a woman want?

    The man didn’t need to be earning 6 figures or even look better than 70% of men his age. Not asking for “alpha dominance” either.

    If he has no friends and doesn’t have a single friendly relation with any neighbor, he doesn’t appear as a suitable mate.

    If he can’t empathize even loosely w/ others, how can he empathize in a relationship or with future children?

    @Willard Libby
    LOL @ your generalizations about only white men preferring thin women and ethnic men outright preferring fat women.

    Thin women are appealing to men across all races, just like there are probably more white men out there than you’d like to think who would date a size 12+ woman and marry her.

    @PA
    You’re right. If women across the board would slim down, they would see many of their issues dissappear. Not all, but many.

    But what about the men? This is a nation of overweight people, not overweight women.


  456. on August 5, 2009 at 9:50 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lucifer:

    What about the system that created men like him? He is the product of a fucked up system.

    Consumerist turbo-capitalism, where fleeting fashion trumps classic beauty.


  457. Dreamer,

    People get what they deserve.. too bad he was not thoughtful in his selection of ammo or aim.


  458. on August 5, 2009 at 9:53 pm Mu'Min seeks FAT WuMin

    ……for White guys. On the other hand black, latino and pacific islander men not only have no problem with it they actually prefer fat women to the thin women so many White guys crave.

    This is true. This has been written about at great lenght by me. Obese-dian has confirmed this.

    An entire article was devoted to why Obese-dian is attracted to Scarlett, shown here.

    This is because it reminds him of this.

    Of course, given Obese-dian’s small size and mahout roleplaying, his ultimate fantasy is THIS.

    Black men prefer that their women resemble the largest creatures of Africa (elephant, hippo, rhino, and cape buffalo) in size, shape, color, and texture. Texture is important too. This is because in Africa, these beasts have no natural predators, and are dominant. Thus, they are admired by black people in Africa, and black mem prefer the same traits in women. It makes sense in terms of resource maximization.


  459. on August 5, 2009 at 9:54 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Not asking for “alpha dominance” either.

    This is one of the most pervasive “pretty lies” or our era of societal decay.

    Yes, you are. You are simply looking at the word “dominance” and immediately ascribing negative connotations to it…like physical violence and abusive behavior. One can be dominant without being abusive.

    For example – you want a man that is “confident” and “assertive” who can “lead” the conversation.

    When a woman say “He has a great sense of humor” that really means he can lead a conversation that is highly entertaining to that woman.


  460. Tupac Chopra,

    I disagree.. consumerism is not the problem.

    The real problem is a system that is divorced from the reality of human behavior, and a lot of men who seem to support this BS.


  461. Ryder — Love that. Yes many men will be deeply invested (and in China too, which is why it’s been historically infested with cults) in overthrowing the status-quo with something that gives them a better “deal.” Mostly by pushing down others to elevate themselves. Whatever Alexander promising to loot Persia, or Caesar, or Napoleon, presents himself, will get enormous amounts of backing.

    Chic —

    Women are blithering idiots about men. Consistently, without fail. Witness the morons who married the Petersons, Scott and Drew. Or the one who went off with Johan Van Der Sloot. Or the ones who went off with Ted Bundy.

    Women are stupid about men, even stupider than men are about women. They have NO ZERO ZILCH NADA intuition about men, other than getting the tingle from dominance. For example, Scott Peterson, a manure salesman (no kidding) bs-ed his way into the cheap blonde bimbo’s pants as he plotted to kill his wife. What insight, intuition, and so on did either of them have? Heck if he’d gotten away with it, the blonde bimbo would have probably married the guy because it was “hot.”

    Anyone who thinks women have special intuition has swallowed feminist idiocy hook, line, and sinker.

    People want fame because fame beats wealth. Arnold when he was making True Lies could pull far more women (and he was married) than a single Bill Gates. Even the latter was actually far more powerful. Why? Because FAME MATTERS. Women are hard-wired to seek fame/patronage status as a result of agricultural societies ruled by patronage. It’s high-risk and high-reward. You can get killed, also your offspring, in power struggles or by the big dog, but the payout is fantastic. It’s why a D-bag like John what’s his name from “John and Kate Plus 8″ has women ALL OVER HIM.

    Like DT said, this is a function of lots of wealth pouring in. Economic dislocations, nuclear proliferation, a combination of WWII and the great Depression (cities make GREAT! shipping container nuke targets) will change the BS that women drive in culture from spending more money. Go to any supermarket. Pace off the men’s grooming aisle space and the women’s (exclude feminine hygiene). It will be about 7-1 ratio. Heck women are still spending in shop-therapy in the recession. It’s ridiculous. But unsustainable.

    Put it together with Ryder’s hypothesis (lots of guys invested in a leader who promises a whole new order) and you get big big trouble.


  462. on August 5, 2009 at 9:56 pm Mu'Min seeks FAT WuMin

    Sorry, the Scarlett link was here.

    I did not mean to link to the Haradrim rider picture twice.


  463. on August 5, 2009 at 9:56 pm Shacuntala Chennai

    I’ve known several people who have gone looooooong periods being celibate, and even a few lifers. It’s not uncommon amongst my cultural group. Nobody is murdering.

    I also know very ugly parents who have given birth to gorgeous kids and vice versa. In fact, I have to say, the really attractive couples I know NEVER give birth to equally attractive kids.

    Funny how that is.

    Anyway, this dude obviously had more pressing issues wearing on his psyche other than just not getting laid.

    He needed meds.

    Or was he already on them?


  464. high-risk and high-reward. You can get killed, also your offspring, in power struggles or by the big dog, but the payout is fantastic. It’s why a D-bag like John what’s his name from “John and Kate Plus 8″ has women ALL OVER HIM

    You haven’t seen the show, have you? Jon Gosselin is very beta. He is a half-white / half-Korean 32-year-old who just divorced from his ballbusting older wife Kate. Tabloid notoriaty gave him access to hot young women but at least one has publically dumped him over his mopey beta ways.


  465. on August 5, 2009 at 9:59 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Whiskey, why do you call John a “d-bag?”

    Read the article Lucifer just linked to…

    …Kate initiated the divorce to pursue a career. Good for him that he’s out hooking up with other women…

    …however, he’s already making the mistake of one-itis with his current girlfriend. That too will end badly for him eventually if he doesn’t man up.


  466. I said, “Tupac, again, I do not think men should date or even shag anyone they find unattractive. I’m getting tired of having to repeat that.”

    Tupac answered, “Fine, but yet you keep repeating the notion that mens’ gripes about not gettin’ any are because they are holding out for “unicorns” and “trophies”.”

    Yes. They are holding out for unicorns and trophies and therefore shagging or dating women they find unattractive/substandard is a waste of both their and the reject’s time.

    …or are you saying that women who are holding out for a commitment should have pity on the poor, sex starved dreamers, and kick ’em down with a little unenthusiastic enzyme harvesting?

    Is that what you want from us ugly girls? Pity?

    “That may be true for a subset of men, but there are many men who are shut out from the type of women who would have been within their reach 30-40 years ago.”

    30-40 years ago, you weren’t in forums bombarding us with fat cunt, fatty mcfatfat, and telling us out loud that you felt entitled to women who looked “better” than us because the television told you so.

    If you want to know where the women within most of you guys’ reach went, consider how I’ve been treated here, and whether or not it should inspire me to open my legs or vomit.

    Nothing personal…I totally understand where it comes from, and I pity most of you for it.

    …but not enough to have sex with you.

    See, pussitude for me is like fat for PA. I’d rather deal with open sores.


  467. I disagree.. consumerism is not the problem.

    When Don Draper types get passed over for Ashton Kutcher types…we have a problem


  468. on August 5, 2009 at 10:01 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Heh, PA, beat me to it. No, I never saw the show, nor did I pay any attention to the MSM coverage of their sordid tale or their reality show.

    But I did read the link lucifer posted, and could tell right off the bat that Kate divorced him because he was a pathetic beta.


  469. WHAT ABOUT THE STORY I POSTED ABOVE??? “THIRD WHEEL TAKES OVER”?

    I POSTED IT FOR ARPAGUS, AMONG OTHERS!!!


  470. And I am rooting for Jon. He did say that the problem with his marriage was that he was passive and let his wife rule the roost.

    Learning Game doesn’t happen overnight. Former betas have lots of ear wax that gets in the way before they can change their attitude and habits with women.

    And I am not even sure of Jon “knows” about Game. For alll I know he might still be grappling in the dark, thinking that it was OK to be “nice,” just not with a bad woman like Kate.


  471. I feel the way this man felt. I work hard in school, against my basic laziness, to get a career. Why? So I can live a “normal life” – respected by friends and family. But I don’t really know if it will help. I have a lot of trouble both forging good male friendships (which are crucial to meeting women) and in keeping women for relationships. Perhaps these people can see my underlying bitterness about 15 years of rejection by women. In New York City, I am invisible to women. They don’t even acknowledge my existence. I’m not the only one who feels this way, but how do you think it feels to pass by happy-looking couples, day after day after day? Knowing I have nobody, and that everyone can probably sense it.

    I really don’ t know what to do. I’m much younger than Sodini but I feel I might be near my breaking point. I feel game cannot help me – I get uncomfortable “negging” and I’m not good at improvising good lines in the moment. I have a deep emptiness. Murders like this one don’t impact me at all. I couldn’t care less. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when people can probably sense my underlying issues, preventing me from carrying on good relationships, repeating the cycle.

    Maybe foriegn women tend to be different. I started chatting with this pretty Spanish girl last night. I was pretty beta, as usual, though I still got the digits. She seemed interested and with so much rejection, I almost could not believe it was true. I’ll see if she wants to hang out but I’m sure I will find a way to blow it also.

    More of these kinds of situations will probably occur, if more and more good, average guys are spurned by women. I don’t believe this guy Sodini was always fucked in the head, I believe it was a slow progression of problems based in our fucked society.


  472. Ghost of Nicole,

    Keep telling yourself that.


  473. GNP:

    Sorry, the Scarlett link was here.

    I did not mean to link to the Haradrim rider picture twice.

    I think I speak for all of us here when I say we appreciate the scholarly effort and exacting standards you apply to your…uh….work.


  474. Tupac, Clio liked your little poem.


  475. on August 5, 2009 at 10:06 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Lucifer,

    While we may have our differences about some issues, I think we can agree on a few things:

    1] Women are NOT good at understanding complex systems or innovating.

    YES. They don’t even know what they don’t know.

    2] Feminism and technology has driven us into uncharted territory.

    Yes, but the next technological disruptions are more likely to work in favor of men than women.

    For example, Game would not exist without the Internet as a knowledge sharing, marketing, and community-building tool.

    3] The current system is screwed, unsustainable and in it’s last gasps.

    Well, no. It is always evolving. It is more likely that developing countries (like India) will migrate in this direction, than the reverse.

    Rural America is still in far better shape (with most women getting married and staying married) than urban America.

    4] It cannot end nicely, as many will try very hard to maintain status quo.

    5] It is going to be hard to predict the event that will break this system’s back.

    The combination of Four Horsemen will greatly crash the present dominance that feminist-oriented women have.


  476. Starbury,

    Don’t you worry, I have feeling that we are seeing the beginning of a pattern. A feedback loop.. so to speak.

    Humans cannot learn any other way.


  477. PA,

    LOL—–I agree wholeheartedly about the fatness being a disqualifier. Exactly. There would be plenty of fuckable women who are currently 3’s, 4’s, 5’s and 6’s that would increase their looks a good 2-4 points if they were simply in shape.

    We see em’ all the time. Her face is pretty cute, but my god………she’s a “sunbathing walrus” as Roissy put it. No shape at all. One can imagine how bad that fat pussy smells.

    Lucifer,
    This guy would have done better to buy pussy once or twice a week while he went out and tried to meet women relentlessly. I cannot imaging going without the physical personal acceptance of another human being for 19 years, even if I was in my 50’s. I’d certainly buy hookers before I’d go an entire year.
    A man of means Lucifer, like yourself, in many ways has it made. Im assuming you make quite a bit of money. You can buy pussy a couple of nights a week and game women two or three other nights a week with no closing pressure at all. You know you can buy it at any time. That would be a distinct advantage for a man with a few years on him, but who has some financial advantages, on a young completely broke guy just starting out. The experienced man, worse come-to-worse, can spare the $400 bucks on a run-of-the-mill-call girl push come to shove, and should have that in the back of his mind. It should make him even more confident.

    You are quite right about the man’s appearance Lucifer. He looks waaaaaaayyyyyyyy better than most 48 year-old women. It is suprising that he didn’t land any older gal at all. Maybe he was just painfully shy? Its a shocker. I expected to see a “Son-of-Sam” looking-dude, full of flab. This guy wasn’t/

    One comenter in the thread mentioned ex’s, child support, and whatnot. I too, wouldn’t be suprised if we seen a few of those. I wouldn’t be suprised if we didn’t see some judges and lawyers getting whacked by financially wrecked guys either. Its no small wonder that lawyers are so pro-gun control. If one fucks other people over for a living, I suppose they wouldn’t want them to have firearms.


  478. Nicole:

    Fat is a choice.

    And a whole HELL of a lot easier to fix for a woman than a wholesale regeneration of one’s very personality/soul is for a man.


  479. That good looking men fuck women who are 5s makes it near impossible for an average looking guy to bed women with any level of success.

    Scarcity helps create nutjobs like this guy.

    When said “5” fucks an 8-10 man, her standards get artificially inflated. Hence, next week she’s at the club and rejecting a guy who’s a 7…to his astonishment.

    Until top quality men get some standards, the averge Joe will get a piece of meat knuckle maybe once a month.


  480. lucifer If women were really intuitive, they would not end up in bad relationships so often. But almost every woman keeps on selecting for such guys. If you call that intuition.. that is your problem.

    no those who go from one bad relationship to another and another are usually sick. I’ve had two boyfriends and both treated me like the apple of their eye and I loved them for it :)

    There are plenty of women who don’t get into relationships with jerks and a-holes. The real question is why are there so many unhappy, confused women walking around. Some people love drama.


  481. Lucifer says, “Keep telling yourself that.”

    Keep telling myself what?

    …that pity doesn’t make me wet?


  482. The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood),

    Current system = Feminist dominated fakery built on bullshit and supported by spineless men.

    and yes, technology will work in favor of men.


  483. @Eurosabra, you are one of my sweeties. Please don’t allow yourself to spin out of control like sodinni.

    Cannon’s cannon- i have practically come to peace with the concept of killing people without motive
    No more gangster rap for you.

    Snatch magnet Oh yeah, and is it me or has anyone else noticed that Willard has been strangely silent?
    Coincidence?

    *elbows snatch*
    I was thinking whiskey before I read the location then I went to willard when I saw sodinni was from PA. Willard made one comment today so it wasn’t him, thank God.

    Doug 1 to mu That’s nuts.
    Yeah you’ll do WAY better with game if you make a good income than without it, but with a given amount of game you’ll also get a hotter girl with money that without it. Esp. for ltr but not only. Sometimes it seems you say things simply because they feel good to you.

    Reread Mu’s comment. It looks like you want to diagree with him for the sake of arguing. A man with money but no game is soon a man with no money and no game.


  484. PA:

    Tupac, Clio liked your little poem.

    Fat lot of good that does me.

    Do you think it induced a gina tingle?

    Rhetorical.


  485. Ghost of Nicole,

    You seem to mistake men for farm animals who are docile or can be controlled. Let’s see how it works out..


  486. Lucifer:

    A feedback loop.. so to speak.

    Humans cannot learn any other way.

    Wise words.


  487. pixie: Too many men have trouble. Talking to women generates a lot of anxiety for them. Especially women a man finds attractive. Especially after getting rejected and not just that, but repeatedly.

    If I go into a situation which makes me anxious, I want to know every detail and manoeuvre I could possibly need and could use for maximum advantage. For men in these situations: it’s called Game but it makes for more interesting, charged conversation and interaction which showcases the best of the man’s attractiveness. It teaches confidence.

    Conversation’s both an art and a science, and approaching it from either way depends on the person’s personality and natural capabilities.

    Men are more than welcome to have their own version of the Endless Dating and Beauty Advice women get e.g. your advice to just approach women? That’s a Game tactic.

    If you devote all of your attention to a game with the objective of bamboozling some random bimbo, you’re going to miss out on developing a real relationship with a woman capable of loving you back.

    It’s more finding ways of increasing his sexual attractiveness. Advice such as going to the gym has also been given out (if that’s Game or not, doesn’t matter, but it has) within Game’s context. It increases the likelihood of both and being successful with them.

    Why are you using the word bamboozling here?

    How Game Seems to Work:
    — Young man is concerned because he’s not getting any [men, especially some men, really need it].
    — He consults the seduction community.
    — He goes to the gym more often.
    — He alters his clothing style to give himself a style.
    — He finds a group of like-minded men.
    — He approaches women, hopefully persisting despite initial failures with various fun conversation openings (and closings, and conversation styles). Men’re actually more interested in conversations if there’s a goal for them.
    — His confidence and masculinity hopefully gradually builds up as he begins to succeed. He is in disbelief about what women are attracted to.
    — He goes through a female-hating phase because he’s figuring out The True Nature of women and those with husbands or boyfriends are sleeping with him condomless.
    — He comes to acceptance with the true nature of women as the yin to his yang as opposed to the yang to his yang.

    It’s a proven method and it’s kind of silly to begrudge it when both him and the women he ‘picks up’ are getting what they want, being equally responsible for their decisions as adults.


  488. Tupac, maybe Clio was unnerved by your having discoverd her new disguise (black-dyed hair) and spying on her as she dined wiht her man and some other people.


  489. on August 5, 2009 at 10:13 pm Mu'Min seeks FAT WuMin

    Tupac wrote :

    “I think I speak for all of us here when I say we appreciate the scholarly effort and exacting standards you apply to your…uh….work.”

    Thanks. Soon, I will write a detailed thesis that compares and contrasts the three fetishists here : xsplat, Obsidian, and Peter. I have completed most of my research and interviewing of the subjects (amicably or otherwise). It will be funny, but also instructive about the great similarities that exist between seemingly diverse fetishists. The exhibits will include images, references, and even a song by Isaac Hayes.


  490. z,

    I am younger than you think. I just use money differently..


  491. on August 5, 2009 at 10:16 pm Mu'Min seeks FAT WuMin

    for 10% of all fat people in this country it isn’t.

    Correct. And for 90% of them it IS.

    There aren’t enough black men to service all the fat black women AND fat white women. Even if black dudes are being circus trainers to three elephants at once, there are still too few black men to service all the fat women.


  492. WTF. Because this loser couldn’t get laid, planned murder was only to be expected and justified? And feminism is to blame of course. Because goddamn, us wimmin shouldn’t have a say in who we fuck right?


  493. Lucifer

    America will grow strongly on this quarter and mildly on the next one. get over it. The recession is gone

    wrt men dating unnattractive girls, creative men around the world invented a substance called “alcohol”. Unnattractive girls should have the dignity to understand the social costs plus the self esteem effect on a man of waking up to see the Joker on his side, and leave as early as possible and minimize social contact hence


  494. Sharon: and to the other girls:
    I posted a story above called “Third Wheel Takes Over”

    what do you think of this story???


  495. question for the forum

    I have never banged an ugly girl who was virgin, nor have any of my friends, and I posed this question to close friends in drunk moments, have done that either

    are ugly girls born without the hymen?


  496. Sodinni’s issues started as a kid. Being bullied by his older brother. Having a father who was indifferent &didn’t give a darn. A ball busting controlling mom who made him feel emasculated. He carried all of this along with a genetic propensity for psychosis into adulthood. I bet he was hoping to meet a warm good-looking woman who could help erase his childhood scars. His social awkwardness with women only helped to make his adult life as harsh as his childhood. On paper Sardini was a good bet but his demons prevented him from closing.

    On game: for men who come from cultures where one does not look authority figures in the eye.
    In America you must stop that. Women look at it as a sign of weakness. When you approach a woman you must believe you are the hottest thing since white bread. Even if you have to repeat to yourself over and over again that you are the best man in the bar before approaching, do it.

    @ryder- if you write a tribute to chic, remember I like the gentle stuff.


  497. a feminist created a blog called “wine, cats and feminism”

    some jokes just write themselves.


  498. HELP PLEASE – someone I know casually confided in me earlier today about her son. She’s very concerned about him, he doesn’t date girls, he doesn’t have a lot of friends. I’ve met him, he seems like a dejected young man. She tried her best to raise him as a single mother, and I think he def. has some masculinity issues. I’m starting to think that’s the root of all of his issues in fact.

    GAME WOULD HELP HIM, BUT WHAT IF HE IS TOO BLINDED BY DEPRESSION? WHERE ARE SOME MEN’S RIGHTS FRIENDLY THERAPISTS/COUNSELORS?

    How can I find those therapists who can deal with men’s rights issues? I doubt he would attend a seminar if we signed him up, or read this website or Mystery Method if we recommended it. Even if we were to hire Roosh or some other PUA to do one-on-one coaching, he probably wouldn’t even show up.

    The idea is to this young man him back on his feet and get him to feel better about himself. And then slowly he can eventually get to the point of being open to Game.

    Any help will be GREATLY APPRECIATED. I really would like to help this guy. I think Starbury and others might be able to use this help too.

    Please, pleeeeeaseee do some helping out today guys. You will help make the world a better place, starting with one or more men who were just like you.


  499. gig are ugly girls born without the hymen?

    bike riding,tampoons, and horse riding can destroy the hymen.


  500. Tupac says, “Fat is a choice.”

    Bleating is unsexy.


  501. on August 5, 2009 at 10:26 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Women simply have to accept this incident as a tax.

    Women get men to buy them drinks, dinners, etc. their whole lives. Women have no moral restraints about being moochers while doing nothing for the man in return.

    Every now and then, a few women will get shot up by a man. That is the tax on the freebies women gladly accept with no reciprocity.

    It is a very minor tax if just 3 women die in return for the $100 billion or whatever than men pay to women each year (if you count divorce court theft, the number is much higher).

    Murder is always wrong, but women are not willing to accept their own hand in creating this backlash.

    Societies where unmarried men and women don’t ‘date’ (i.e. where an average man is guaranteed to be able to marry an average woman) are also societies where this sort of incident doesn’t occur.


  502. @Mu’Min seeks FAT WuMin – you are being disrespectful to roissy when you come into his blog and throw his comment sections. please be respectful.


  503. gig,

    I understand economics a bit better than you and most of the clowns who fill university chairs.

    The current economic problems are one symptom of a more fundamental dislocation. We have a society that requires few to work but almost all to consume. However most people have to work to make that money. We are running a 21st century tech based world on 19th century idea.. similar to flying a supersonic plane with a biplane manual.

    We have been filling this gap for the last 30 years with various ponzi schemes and financialism.

    It cannot end well.


  504. bike riding,tampoons, and horse riding can destroy the hymen.

    I have a dirty theory that many girls lost their hymens while being fingered by their BFs

    Girls are nasty.


  505. on August 5, 2009 at 10:30 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    are ugly girls born without the hymen?

    Two ugly women team up to buy a double-headed dildo, and see-saw each other from time to time.


  506. lovelysexybeauty: slap that dumb bitch for being a single mother (unless she’s a widow). Then tell her in front of the boy that she is a worthless piece of shit.

    As far as the boy: get him to a gym. Have a trainer prescribe him a weight lifting workout that will be easy at first, but will start giving him progressive results. He shoudl do cardio, and start with the machines for weight lifting. After about 3-6 months of doing machnes, he should start working with dumbbells for th eupper body.

    Working out will stimulate his testosterone production, make him feel good about his appearance, make him more confident. It is also legitimately a loner’s activity, or a social one so he can strike up friendships with cool guys his age who work out at that gym, or just do his thng alone.

    Then go back to his cunt single mother and spit in her face.


  507. @ Bhetti
    “How Game Seems to Work:
    – Young man is concerned because he’s not getting any [men, especially some men, really need it].
    – He consults the seduction community.
    …”

    Brilliant listing of the phases a man who learns “Game” goes through, as opposed to those who naturally acquire it. The woman-hating phase was particularly interesting.


  508. HA!

    just met anIndian economist today. he considered himself from the UK.

    he said : “Brazil amazed me, people here are much more sophisticated than I thought” . Moron. . later on I sent to the fund´s email group a story about how Indian men have some of the smallest penises in the World.

    anyway, the guy was uber-bullish, and reasonably so


  509. GAME WOULD HELP HIM, BUT WHAT IF HE IS TOO BLINDED BY DEPRESSION? WHERE ARE SOME MEN’S RIGHTS FRIENDLY THERAPISTS/COUNSELORS?

    Ain’t no such animal.


  510. Cunthulah:

    Bleating is unsexy.

    Which is why I only do it here.


  511. on August 5, 2009 at 10:36 pm Cannon's Canon

    Marcus Aureliette:
    “With all due respect, I have him painted as a lunatic in my mind because in real life he walked into a public place and started shooting at random people who had nothing whatsoever to do with whatever grudges he was nursing.”

    Fair enough. I would probably start with a few homeless people to acclimate myself to the sensations. You know, to maximize performance.

    Just going off the cuff like that with no physical preparation? Lunacy!


  512. LSB:

    You’re best bet is to find some natural alphas to take him under their wing and mentor him in being a man, long before he starts learning to be some “PUA”.


  513. on August 5, 2009 at 10:37 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    I agree with PA. It is her fault that she is a single mother, and her son is suffering from EXACTLY what happens to fatherless boys.

    What a selfish woman she was. Why did she divorce her husband?


  514. Lucifer says, “You seem to mistake men for farm animals who are docile or can be controlled. Let’s see how it works out..”

    Dude, a guy just shot up a gym because his Hollywoodian dream did not come true.

    Even on a well run farm, sometimes you get an animal who will go wild and upset the order the herd has set up. He’ll take on the most dominant male even though he has no chance, start killing the females instead of mating with them or starting a harem of the females who are drawn to him, or very very rarely, turn on the farmer.

    ….but almost never does one say “fuck it” and go live in the forest with some deer or purposefully throw himself to the wolves so maybe some of what is him will be born into a free predator.

    Docile is a matter of perspective. This man sacrificed his own life and took out a few others on the altar of the feminist Venus of elder boned fancy boys with vaginas who could give a rat’s ass if he lived or died until he was shooting at them.

    If only the herd had more like him, I’d start a diet cult where the girls were rated and the ones who were >7’s had to screw all of the guys.

    Y’all would pay me big bucks for that.


  515. Two ugly women team up to buy a double-headed dildo, and see-saw each other from time to time.

    I´d rather be waterboarded than see it befoer me


  516. PA – I don’t know her story but she seems normal and feminine, so I bet she wishes she wasn’t a single mother. So she just has to try to make the most of the situation I guess.

    The idea about getting him to work out sounds good. As his body improves I bet he’ll feel good to see how his hard work results in progress too: he’s a success (encouraging). And exercises releases endorphins as well. And increasing testosterone with weights, that’s good.

    But… how to get the guy to go? I wonder if it would bother him if a bunch of women tell him to go to the gym, “We got you a personal trainer.”

    It might reaffirm that he’s worthless, that women boss him around and see him as needing help, maybe? It might work better coming from male figure, that’s why I’m thinking therapist?

    I’ll talk to her tomorrow, but my impression is that it’ll feed his anger that his mother/any woman is telling him what his “loser” self should do. I hope she listens to my advice, I’m already thinking about how to present all this to her.


  517. on August 5, 2009 at 10:43 pm Cannon's Canon

    “After about 3-6 months of doing machines, he should start working with dumbbells for the upper body.”

    Months 7-12 should feature squats, deadlifts, and hang cleans. You may also want to get the boy used to needles, cuz he’s going to be seeing a lot of them in Year 2.

    You know what I’m talking about!


  518. on August 5, 2009 at 10:45 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    LSB wrote :

    I don’t know her story but she seems normal and feminine, so I bet she wishes she wasn’t a single mother.

    Then why did she divorce the father, giving no thought to her son’s well being?


  519. lovelysexybeauty – that’s a legit conunndrum. I suspect that any advice from his mother or other women, even about the gym, will be something he instinctivelly will say NO to. Even in healthy homes, boys can recoil from what their moms tell them.

    Not sure how to get him to go. Do you know any cool guys under 50 who are good with teenagers that could invite the boy to try the gym?


  520. Tupac Chopra – getting some natural Alphas to take him under their wing sounds good too. But how to do it… I could ask guy I’m seeing to do so, I think he’s pretty Alpha lol. But that could get weird… I mean it could cause problems in our relationship and stuff.

    I’m thinking through all the guys I know that might fit the Alpha description, but I don’t know if any would want to take on such a burden. I could try to ask I suppose, maybe even use some of my feminine charmmmm lol….

    Would need to strategize how to get the young guy to not feel like it’s some bossy women trying to “help” him and thereby insult his manhood though. Hm….


  521. Interstingly, I was at the gym today (I’m in my late 30s) and I usually see the same group of teenage guys working out there.

    They seem very alpha, but also smart and friendly… if the boy can eventually make friends with guys like them, it would be a huge boost for him.


  522. On the other hand black, latino and pacific islander men not only have no problem with it they actually prefer fat women to the thin women so many White guys crave.

    I’ll refrain from making the case about other men in general, but some skinny girls just don’t look attractive. Exposed bones on a girl just aren’t attractive to me. I don’t mind a little chubbiness if it gets me warm hugs, tits to play with, and an ass to grab.

    Some of us here have testosterone. Ever heard of it?

    You mean the thing that turns somebody into an impulsive train wreck?

    Even with elevated testosterone levels, wouldn’t the girl’s low attractiveness just depress the ability to become aroused and form an erection? I’d rather have low T if it means I avoid something as degrading as having sex with an ugly woman.

    Fine, but yet you keep repeating the notion that mens’ gripes about not gettin’ any are because they are holding out for “unicorns” and “trophies”.

    I think she’s referring to David Alexander-esque men who basically narrow their focus on “hot” looking women instead of just merely beautiful women. The equivalent would be telling David Alexander to consider that friendly 6 who thinks I’m smart instead of holding out for the 6 who has all of the physical attributes David wants.

    A personality type that is not amenable to change.

    Tupac knows too much. David is the kind of guy who gets upset just because his mom wants to go out shopping, which is only a slight deviation from the home-work-home lifestyle.

    I’m telling you that there is no way in hell someone like DA will EVER bang anything more than a 5 (MAYBE a 6, if the chick is freaky enough…MAYBE)

    With nails, makeup, heels, tits, and ass, right?


  523. The reason betas at least below higher beta aren’t getting laid much in their 20’s today but girls at the same rank are has to be because girls have become a lot sluttier. It’s mathematically necessary if there is the discrepancy in that direction. They’re either doing one nights, short and longer flings or maybe short soft polygamy relationships.

    Otherwise if e.g. each girl was always paired monogamously in steady two year relationships with a guy, their wouldn’t be enough alpha guys to go around so beta girls (4-6 and some 7s) would have to pair with beta guys (male 4-7*) or be going without sex themselves. That mathematically has to be the case.

    I’m leaving out hookers, but not that many 20yo American guys have much illegal hooker sex, and anyway if that’s counted it would up the sex beta males are having, not decrease it. Unless we count them in on the female side as well. Seems best to leave out.

    Further, as I’ve said before, if higher betas (male 7) wanted to bang 5’s and the occasional 6 that they could get, and middle betas would go for casual 4’s and the occasional 5 they can get, those two ranks of betas would I think get a lot more sex in their 20s. I simply don’t believe that alphas are banging 5’s much less 4’s except very rarely. Maybe alphas especially lesser alphas do go down to 6’s sometime if they’re real easy and real slutty fun. But not 5’s and 4’s.

    *Roissy gives male middle betas both the 5 and 6 spots.


  524. he doesn’t date girls, he doesn’t have a lot of friends. I’ve met him, he seems like a dejected young man

    buy the best PC available. contract the fastest internet connection possible. call Diners or Amex and ask for a fast-food credit card that accumulates points the more you eat

    buy a counter strike of world of warcraft CD.

    I humbly confess that aLL THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS TO YOU ARE UTTER BULLSHIT. And that I am the only one here thinking about the rest of the human race


  525. Nicole,

    hubris is my favorite sin.


  526. That boy sounds like my brother actually. A combination of pills (though cognitive behavioural therapy is reputedly better) and gym worked somewhat for him. Also, Get Him Out Of The House.

    Most probably Away From Mother.

    (Have done this right now myself, he has been nonstop smiling. Won’t stop playing this computer game he’s addicted to esp. since his gym membership expired though… one step forward… but, well, he at least looks happy as opposed to perpetually pissed off.)

    Sharon: Recognise that the problem is not this guy — he’s only a symbol for the anger and frustration — but the problem that nice guys with good jobs and good looks who don’t indulge in shooting sprees are not getting laid.

    If some people start thinking murder’s not so bad if it highlights this issue, then men have been sorely neglected.

    This problem itself can be explained by women’s sexual liberation, with the freedom to pursue what your average feminist likes to call her patriarchy-induced desires and what your average scientist likes to call her natural desires, not taking the risk of conception into account. As well as the loss of accountability to her family. Essentially, there’s no help here. She’s simply let out in the world with the encouragement to simply be sexual, without warnings or guidance: aside from asserting she can cry rape at any moment and to use a condom.

    What more can be laid at the door of feminism is an imbalance in divorce laws and custodial arrangements. How many times have you heard the line ‘She cleaned me out in the divorce’ in the media?

    All this is hurting both men and women. Women aren’t taught on how to make a long-term relationship work or particularly encouraged to do so nor how to appreciate a loving husband of theirs. They’re not forced to be accountable if they abuse him.

    There’s no reason to go for the nice guy if the sexier badboy is what you want. That’s the problem.

    The problem doesn’t apply here.

    But that is the problem.


  527. lovelysexybeauty – I agree with PA that the first step is getting him to a gym. He needs a trainer and he needs to be there nearly every day. He doesn’t have to have a trainer every day, but the trainer must teach him what to do and let him know what’s expected of him on the days when he is on his own. He needs to keep a detailed, honest log.

    After he gets in a little better shape, he needs to also be enrolled in some form of martial art. You have to be careful to choose a class that will push him to improve, but not be so hardcore or competitive that he gets discouraged and quits, or starts to become too aggressive. He needs the confidence and discipline of a martial art.

    Hopefully he will start to meet more friends, perhaps not at the gym but at least in martial arts. I’m struggling to think of something else that would expose him to the types of male friends he probably needs. Perhaps a local baseball or flag football league?

    Depending on his age and current job situation, a job as a waiter might be beneficial. It will force him to learn to socialize. It might make him really nervous at first, but after a while he will learn to relax and socialize in a friendly way with people he just met. Waiters (and waitresses) tend to meet a lot of people and form a lot of social connections over time. He will meet plenty of girls at a good restaurant as a waiter and if he’s getting in shape (gym) and building discipline and confidence (martial arts) then he should be able to flirt with them and start to learn on his own.

    At some point in all of this he should feel good enough that you can introduce him to game and he will take to it. You’ve got to do this in stages. You can’t throw everything at him at once. First step is to get him in the gym, with a trainer, ASAP.


  528. DA:

    With nails, makeup, heels, tits, and ass, right?

    Follow my developmental plan and find out for yourself.


  529. 5th Horseman/Tood – I don’t know the circumstances, and I’m guessing that attacking her about the past wouldn’t really help the situation. It might just put her on the defensive and deflect from the real issue of helping her son as soon as possible.

    PA – maybe that’s a start, just get some guy to get him to come to the gym. Hm…. would have to be very, very sneaky though so it doesn’t come across as some sort of pity act. I’m sure a smart, Alpha guy could figure out how to set up the whole thing in a non-insulting way…


  530. hubris is my favorite sin

    yeah

    it would be the same if a guy who ordered pizzas every night considered himself the greatest connaisseur of food on Earth


  531. I think the devaluing of the reliable, loyal and sometimes brainy provider type male in getting hot or fairly hot females, unless he manages to also be alpha which only maybe 10% of provider types do, is a civilizational disaster in the making. I really do.

    I’m not saying this as a bitter beta. I’m saying this in the triple digits, older and living with a hot very young for me woman and having some freedom to play.

    Talk about needing to undo some social engineering. Talk about needing to reverse course. As a temporary measure, why shouldn’t there be a reversal of affirmative action for women but instead for men, since so much of our society has been dedicated to advancing women explicitly relative to and at the expense of men in the areas men have always been preeminent, work and governance.


  532. Follow my developmental plan and find out for yourself.

    Fuck it. I’ll go work some overtime then so I can go ride Acela First Class…


  533. All I know about that Jon guy is he looks “guido/flatbiller” in the tabloid coverage, based on the stuff I read in the checkout counter on the cover of magazines. Perhaps too hasty — my impression was he bailed on his wife/kids and I don’t find that cool. I have no idea why some hot young things (two plus the one at home) were all over a guy with no money, no prospects of any, just a reality TV tabloid star. To me that screams D-bag.

    Who the hell puts their lives out on TV anyway? I’d die of embarrassment or shame. I’m enough of a dick myself to know it. I don’t need to broadcast it to everyone.


  534. order pizza is to food like sex with a hooker is to sex

    google Earth is to travel as sex with a hooker is to sex

    call center waiting songs are to music as sex with a hooker is to sex


  535. Wolff

    One of the dumb twats on here, I think it might be Bhetti, keeps revealing how confused she is about these issues, with a dumbed down, mistaken, pop evolution outlook on them. ***

    There is no “best” in terms of evolutionary theory. There is no “deserve” or “should” or “should not” “pass on one’s genes”. There’s no teleology, there’s no goal. You’re imputing your narrow, goal oriented experience and psychology onto the complex process of evolution

    If you really are thinking of Bhetti as opposed to many people your complaint could be far better leveled against, then go back and gather quotes to illustrate your purported point, you dumb shoot from the hip blowhard. You think most men here understand your point about evolution not being goal seeking? You think that Bhetti doesn’t? She’s in the top 10% of her about to be 3rd year of med school in London.

    Almost everyone telescopes talking about evolution into teleological terms to some extent. Also it’s not entirely true that there’s nothing that at least looks like “goals” in evolution. There are niches and fitting them better. There isn’t any single goal and it’s not a goal driven process beyond survival and replication, but better fitting a niche or a shifting niche can look a lot like a goal in retrospect and can be far more comprehensibly talked about in that way. We fill the highest living beings intelligence niche, requiring tons of ancillary defenses, and also requiring a lot of competiveness since a lot of how we got here is by inter tribal war, initially girl stealing. Language /cultural evolution coexisted with biological evolution for a long time.

    To put it simply … Read a fucking book, you dumb cunt.

    To put it simply you’re a ‘tard blowhard idiot.

    Take on Bhetti in this kind of ad hominem attack and you’re taking on me. Every time. Count on it. We’re close. Very.

    Little diddler.


  536. Interesting find. The seduction community is full of guys like this. They seem very normal, are successful with their careers, aren’t bad looking, but they still can’t get laid. Game isn’t going to help these guys much. After talking to many of these guys, it is very apparent to me that they understand game, but they don’t quite understand how to just be social and be a man.

    I run across these guys all the time. I actually had one guy I knew from the local lair approach me a few weeks back, and I asked him how he was doing with women. In short, he said “fuck these girls. they’re all bitches”, because he was just so depressed about constantly getting rejected over the years, even with the use of game; and I know several other guys with similar stories.

    You can’t necessarily place all the blame on women. When you look at a lot of these guys, they grew up sheltered, overprotected by mommy and daddy, and stayed inside the house playing dungeons & dragons and world of warcraft. These guys avoid conflict at all costs, and grow up being afraid of rejection. They clearly missed out on something that other guys were exposed to, and I think the missing piece is learning how to interact with people and deal with conflict and rejection as a youth.

    I don’t think this guy was all that out there, as he was able to get dates. Most PUA’s struggle to make it that far (hence, why they complain about phone numbers going nowhere). I bet his problem was that once he was out on a date, he supplicated too much or came off as a very nervous guy due to his lack of experience interacting with real life people.


  537. gig – I think he might already be spending a lot of time escaping from reality, so mm… well thanks for the input

    Bhetti – thanks for sharing that. I just found this: http://www.centerformenandmasculinity.com/. Maybe they could do some phone counseling.

    DT – thanks as well about the gym idea. And martial arts, super great idea thought I’m not sure he’s young enough. He’s college age I believe, actually flunked out or something. I don’t know why his mom doesn’t push him to get a job, but becoming a waiter sounds good. Maybe his new “mentor” could intro. these ideas…

    Oh man, I really hope I can help. I feel for the guy… in him, I recognize the sort of “loserish” loner guys from high school and college. I interacted with some in my classes and well… I can see how someone in despair can go to the dark side, it’s OK if it’s an artsy/express my anger/vent with my fellow losers dark side. But the sort of dark side the shooter had is also possible. And something in me just wants to help any sad/unhappy person feel better.


  538. on August 5, 2009 at 11:08 pm Cannon's Canon

    doug to the rescue! hooray!

    (gay)


  539. Gig —

    We are going down, down, down. Firms plan only to maintain slightly higher inventory levels against inflation. It’s a jobless recovery. Consumer spending and advertising are down to flat. Starbucks is doing time-motion studies to shave seconds off making a latte. DVD sales are way down, as are music sales and PC sales. Profits at firms are flat excluding one-time cost savings or sales of assets.

    Where’s the recovery? Meanwhile that moron Obama plans Obamacare and Cap and Trade to add trillions of costs, deficits, and taxes to strangle the economy and regulate every single aspect of life, down to GPS in cars for mileage tax and banning BBQ (bad for the planet).

    After basic productivity gains in the late 1980’s-mid 1990s from computerization and the internet, where are basic productivity gains in manufacturing, agriculture, transportation, and energy, the backbones of any economy?

    The “New Girl Order” of fashionable young women globally spending $400 on Jimmy Choos or Coach purses is ending before our eyes, as is the pursuit of Alphas without care.


  540. gig,

    I see it as eating in a nice restaurant, instead of cooking at home. You can always go the restaurant you want.


  541. Lucifer says, “hubris is my favorite sin.”

    I enjoy it, but try to limit its expression to posting sick ideas from time to time…you know, steam venting.


  542. Cannon–

    Twerp.

    You don’t stand up for girls that are fully loyal to you?


  543. Whiskey,

    I actually had to look up “flatbillers”.

    Hysterical. That is such a tacky “style” to have. Baseball caps and bling and tattoes and toy cars. Silly silly silly


  544. Assanova — good point. The guy DID get dates. So he was able to do that. Probably did supplicate too much. And yeah, probably not anyone’s fault but the way he was raised.

    But if you took the same guy, same basic personality and experience, and instead of a IT guy you get your low-level thug? He probably has women all over him even if he is supplicating, because the thug game is that strong.


  545. doug to the rescue! hooray!

    (gay)

    “Those guys are fags!”


  546. Yeah Flatbillers are ridiculous. Did I mention how much I hate Kottonmouth Kings? It’s like this insane version of Jessie James (himself a walking cartoon) mixed with girl-next-door Sandra Bullock types.

    Carolla was right. Chicks dig A-holes.


  547. I’ll take you bait Whiskey, what’s your magical solution to the problem?

    The “New Girl Order” of fashionable young women globally spending $400 on Jimmy Choos or Coach purses is ending before our eyes, as is the pursuit of Alphas without care.

    I would pray that it continues as the last thing that I’d want is for beta males to be lied to and tricked into marriages with womengolddiggers who don’t love them.


  548. @Ludwig

    “In other words, is it really that easy for a brohiem to get laid in this wondrous culture of ours?”

    Yes, I think it is that easy to get laid – relatively speaking. Over the years, I’ve had the opportunity to ask older guys (guys who came of age prior to the late sixties) about how easy it was to get casual sex. Answer: it wasn’t. A real “stud” (otherwise normal guys, I’m not talking celebrities banging two chicks at a time at the Sands) back then might have been with a FEW women, but nothing like the numbers that guys can routinely put on the board today. Nerdy guys can put up numbers that only studs could have achieved not so long ago.

    Having said all of that, there are still a lot of guys out there that are being, in effect, locked out of sex. They *could* probably get laid, most of them, but they are really not suited for the rough and tumble of modern male/female interactions. It can be brutal. It can be really brutal. And even when it is not brutal, it can be very unsatisfying. This is what progressive liberalism has ushered in – not an Age of Aquarius but a disposable society where people treat one another much as they would yesterday’s garbage.

    I can certainly understand why many guys retreat into other areas – video games, porn, work, fantasy, what have you. This is why I don’t necessarily disagree with David Alexander. His take is not irrational, though it may be overstated for effect. (Sorry David, you still can’t be a citizen of the coming ethnostate, but I’ll read your posts!lol)

    Our current shitculture confounds normal men every step of the way. The fundamental problem is that there are fewer nice girls. More girls are slutted out, burned out, taught to be rude and self serving. They’ve been boned by god only knows how many guys, and by god only knows what.

    The market has fundamentally changed, and females have done the changing. The result is a much higher proportion of nasty, mentally and even physically screwed up women, much higher than what our ancestors faced. Not all of them, obviously, but enough to create a severe shortage of “nice” girls. The “nice” guy might get to bang one of these screwy chicks from time to time, but is this really all that great? Wow…you scored with a chick that has already been bedded by twenty guys, and is heading on to the next twenty. Cool. Alert the media.

    Against this basic change in the market – far fewer nice and marriageable females- there have been all sorts of other changes. Divorce laws, cultural expectations of the relative duties of wife and husband, ability to pair bond after having been boned by half of the town, you name it. The bottom line is that the modern culture makes it difficult for non-alphas (i.e. normal men) every step of the way. At every step they are at best inconvenienced and discouraged, at worst thwarted outright. No wonder so many are just checking out and playing Warcraft instead. Or buying hookers. Can’t really blame them. Sure, they could learn game. But that won’t change the fact that the market is rigged and there won’t be enough nice, marriageable girls to go around.

    That’s the heart of the issue: in a decent civilization, most people (guys and gals) can “win.” Not everybody will win, but most can. In our current society, a huge percentage of the population is guaranteed failure. It’s baked into the cake.

    As to the question of what percentage of men have inherent “dealbreaker” characteristics, I just don’t know. I’d guess relatively few. Up until recently, the vast majority of men found wives, raised stable families, had solid jobs, and were valued stakeholders in their society. I suspect the vast majority still would if we had something resembling a real civilization, instead of the ridiculous shitculture that we currently endure.

    So I don’t think the issue is that all that many men have dealbreaker characteristics, it’s just that the nature of the game has changed at every point, from how we meet one another, to how we “court” (doesn’t that sound ridiculous now?), and so on through the whole process. This has fundamentally altered the cost/benefit analysis of the whole shebang. To sum it up, this culture makes it much easier for the typical guy to score a few chicks, but it makes it much more difficult for him to do the things that give him respect (including self-respect), and give him a solid chance at having a sustainable and satisfying life. For thousands of years Western civilization developed a finely calibrated way of handling the sex issue, and this resulted in a stable and prosperous society in which nearly all of the girls got kissed, found reliable husbands, and so forth. Now the nice guy is playing Warcraft, alone and lonely, and what could have been the nice girl is picking up STDs and blowing some dude in a bathroom stall – and then on to therapy. We’ve blown it all in little more than a generation. Amazing.

    Casual sex is not satisfying in the long run, sorry to say. lol. I know a lot of guys who have racked up the big numbers. Do they speak of the various casual lays that they’ve had down through the years? Not usually. What do they speak of when they talk of their past with women? The One. The One that got away. The rest don’t matter, and that is kind of the point.


  549. Nicole

    The only reason that you cling to the idea that shooter-man had Hollywoodian, unreal expectations is that you cannot face the real truth – that he was a shy, basically nice guy that no woman ever really wanted despite what his standards might have been. Nowadays, either they all want you or none of them do; more or less. I know this because I have been on both sides.
    Like all young females, your mind cannot grasp the reality of anyone having ZERO sex appeal. That is, until you are a little older. Then, if you are capable of empathy, you might feel a bond with shooter-man and his lethal frustrations – if your herd of cats do not fill all your needs.


  550. Ames does not tell it like it is. Even a guy as disturbed as Soldini, in times past, would have had sex with someone, on a regular basis. His life would not have been happy. But it would have had meaning.

    Roissy’s maxim: Contraception + Anonymous Urban Living + Rising Incomes for Women = many men lose. And a few win.

    I think women all in all are happy with this. They’ll trade a very small chance of dying in a massacre for as much sex with Alphas as possible. Heck women will trade risks of getting killed by one (the Petersons, Drew and Scott, Van Der Sloot) for sex with Alphas.

    But like Frederic Bastiat wrote, it’s what not seen that is costly. Which is men’s not caring about society and being willing to follow any crackpot leader who promises a total overturning.


  551. on August 5, 2009 at 11:30 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Sexual selection was working.

    The biggest mistake his ex made was being associated with him in any way.”

    So are you cosigning those brilliant revelations, Doug?


  552. “He can’t be bought, bullied or negotiated with…some people just want to see the world burn.”


  553. I think many men lack the balls to call out a bitch.


  554. I wonder about how quickly this guy’s blog got “disappeared” from the internet. For what purpose?

    One thing “society” knows how to do — very well — is to remove the “dead” who stink up the place, i.e., those victims whose very existence threatens to expose the “pretty lies” which make the whole shebang go around.

    Society — which is largely founded upon pretty lies — can’t afford the heartfelt ramblings of the individuals who get ground up in the maw of the deathmachine.

    It’s like the Disney policy of ensuring there are no cigarette butts or trash to be seen anywhere on the premise. Keeping up appearances.


  555. Feminism= giving society a rope and detailed instructions to hang itself.


  556. on August 5, 2009 at 11:37 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    LSB,

    5th Horseman/Tood – I don’t know the circumstances, and I’m guessing that attacking her about the past wouldn’t really help the situation. It might just put her on the defensive and deflect from the real issue of helping her son as soon as possible.

    Agreed, attacking her now does not help the son.

    But at best, the next time some woman tells you she is thinking of leaving her husband, and they have a kid, slam her for her selfishness, knowing that the kid will invariably end up like the first one.

    So the kid you are currently concerned about is, sadly, a casualty of feminism. God forbid, he may grow up to go out in a blaze of glory like the guy in the original article did.


  557. Tupac,

    There are more than a few thousand copies of his blog. It was so much easier to censor reality before the Internet.


  558. Now the nice guy is playing Warcraft, alone and lonely, and what could have been the nice girl is picking up STDs and blowing some dude in a bathroom stall

    I fail to see what’s wrong. Everybody is having fun and nobody is having shitty sex…

    And yes, no sex is better than crappy sex.


  559. on August 5, 2009 at 11:42 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I think women all in all are happy with this. They’ll trade a very small chance of dying in a massacre for as much sex with Alphas as possible. Heck women will trade risks of getting killed by one (the Petersons, Drew and Scott, Van Der Sloot) for sex with Alphas.

    I think this is exactly why so many people pick bones of contention with you, Whiskey.

    The vast majority of women have not a conscious thought about this.

    They don’t think in terms of “trade off” like “I can bang as many bad boy alpha’s I want, I don’t care if it means civilization will go to hell…I want my alpha sex!”

    No, most women nowadays have been brainwashed by society – the media and the public education system, to feel like any other way than our current modern zeitgeist is “oppressive” and subjugating to women.

    Just as men are told by our society that they have to be nice and cater to women and put them on pedestal’s and worship the goddesses as the key to sexual fulfillment, so to are women fooled into believing they can have it all…that there is no such thing as opportunity costs.

    They are conditioned to value “LOVE” and the emotional highs of infatuational lust as the penultimate quality in mate selection. This is what leads to the alpha chasing…

    …not a conscious, deliberate and purposeful choice to flush Western Civilization down the toilet.


  560. Rum, I have plenty of empathy…just not much mercy.

    I know exactly what he was feeling, and have been close to homicidal rage myself a couple of times.

    Problem is that when it gets to that point I get a kind of chill and then they’re dead to me already. Not worth going to jail for someone who’s already dead.

    …and both times, when they were out of the way in my mind, there was only me left, and I thought about how I let myself get into that situation. The first time was a shock and could have been an anomaly, but the second time I understood there was a pattern. I decided not to repeat it.

    …and worse was done to me than being rejected. I wish I’d been rejected in both of those cases. Instead, I was tagged as disposable because of my ethnicity, and they felt they were using me for more than a year and then tossing me away.

    If I wasn’t such a big fan of personal responsibility, I’d felt that this is what they did…but in truth, I, as their superior, was using them, and it just didn’t work out. I no longer slum with the weak. I have lost mercy permanently.

    Forgive me for seeming unempathetic. It’s just that I offer no mercy. I will reciprocate respect and kindness, but those who presume to look down on me should not ask for mercy. It’s like digging through your trash.


  561. David —

    My solution is both real wage growth, and anti-consumerism, with women forming social consensus for mediated and moderated sexual pursuits of men. I.E. suppressing the urges down there when bad boys come to call, in a rational desire for marriage and family. Moderated and mediated by older female relatives and friends who are better judges of character once menopause has had it’s way (older women can be an invaluable resource for society). No more “New Girl Order” instead family formation. Women ought to have kids early too, and pursue careers and education later. This makes beta men damn valuable (they can help with childcare later so their wives can pursue their career). Most women would be happier too. CHILDREN sure as hell would be.

    Yes, I’m arguing for the “Modified Jane Austen.” So be it. It worked, didn’t it?

    Ryder — Brilliant. Absolutely BRILLIANT. Although I think on balance most young women would be perfectly happy to trade a nice decent husband for as much sex with Alpha types as possible, and then single motherhood. Women certainly celebrate both. I think a critical component is female-self delusion about how long they’ll be pretty (look at Madonna of the hideous arms) and how much they can control Alpha men.


  562. whiskey,

    You know that is not realistic. What about letting the current system destroy itself? Most people cannot learn any other way.


  563. lovelysexybeauty – why does he have to be any younger to start martial arts? People start in their 30’s and 40’s and benefit. You have no idea how beneficial this will be to him if he starts and sticks with it.

    If he flunked out of college and is living at home with nothing going for him then he needs a job and he needs to start taking classes again. And I say that as someone who thinks college if often overrated. The goal doesn’t have to be some grand degree and career right off the bat. Some cheap JC classes in something he would enjoy just to get him out of the house, working on something, meeting people, moving forward, and thinking about what he can/should do in relation to a future career. Have him take an intro to photography class, which is usually interesting and fun for people even if they never get that into photography. Or a massage class. Massage will really force him to socialize with people and introduce some touch therapy into his life.

    Again I’ll mention the waiter job: he can’t be allowed to just sit at home doing nothing while his mother provides for him. Parents allow this out of love, but this will cause more damage to his self esteem. Waiters can make decent money (tips) all things considered (no degree, resume, etc.). And he will have to deal with people, socialize, resolve conflicts, etc. Even though it’s a good job at his age, it’s also a job that will force him to think about his future because no one wants to be a waiter at 30.

    I’m not sure how you could best approach him. Subtle hints and suggestions may not be strong enough. Direct confrontation may trigger an angry, defensive response. But your friend cannot allow her son to waste away his best years like this. Trust me on this. If he doesn’t get moving and start having some success no matter how small, some life experiences other than TV and video games, he will deeply regret it later in life.


  564. My solution is both real wage growth, and anti-consumerism

    But I like stuff. Hell, to be honest, one of the reasons I feel so wonky is that I can’t buy as much stuff as I’d like with my low wages…

    Mind you, how do you plan about bringing real wage growth? Are you planning on bringing back manufacturing? Are you planning on magically controlling healthcare costs? Are you planning on basically imposing severe tariffs on imported products? I just don’t see how you can magically build wages upward in the current economic environment, and I would have said the same several years ago during the boom.

    This makes beta men damn valuable

    The problem that I’ve generally had with your theory is that it’s not really any better for the beta. It’s really enslavement of betas and in lieu of 40% of his wages going to taxes, he’s still paying tax, but his wages are basically going into the larger black hole of the wife and kids. Even if you pump up his buying power, it’s all wasted on the women and kids in lieu of himself.

    Yes, I’m arguing for the “Modified Jane Austen.” So be it. It worked, didn’t it?

    Somehow, I believe white people are capable and better of a superior society than that.


  565. on August 6, 2009 at 12:00 am The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    whiskey wrote :

    I think they (women) have been handed huge social power, mostly by accident, and have used it predictably to maximize short-term sex over long-term family interests.

    Wow. When you least expect it, one of the better sentences in a long time gets posted.

    Yes, their power is by accident. Technologies like the vacuum cleaner, dishwasher, etc. enabled women to move into the workforce, which is a good thing, but this new power (as with all power given to immature people) was not wielded well. If 20% of men get cut out, that is fine. If 70% are getting cut out, it is not.

    Technology enabled feminism. Technology will also destroy feminism (which was largely created by an accidental set of circumstances, after all).


  566. Canon:

    “Sexual selection was working.

    The biggest mistake his ex made was being associated with him in any way.”

    So are you cosigning those brilliant revelations, Doug?

    WELL?


  567. Lovely sexy beauty-

    The solution for your friend’s son’s problem is right between your legs.

    Give him some, and/or help him get laid with one of your friends.

    A woman who is fucking a man can get him to do damn near anything, so after the pussy, you could easily get him into the gym, employment office, therapists office, as needed.

    If you are not willing to do this, I have to question how much you REALLY want to help him.


  568. Yes manufacturing will have to come back. China and India are unstable, and anyway the days of cheap energy making sneakers imported from China (and other cheap garbage) are likely over. Depression = global trade ceases. Simple as that.

    What’s wrong with Jane Austen, with men and women being restrained, polite, professional, while of course working?


  569. on August 6, 2009 at 12:10 am The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    AJTravis wrote (to LSB)

    The solution for your friend’s son’s problem is right between your legs.

    No, LSB is Indian. That is not the answer here.

    I am saying the best thing she can do is point out to any other woman ever again who is thinking of becoming a ‘single mom’ by getting a divorce – “this is what will happen to your kids”. The first poor boy will have to become a martyr for the collateral damage of feminism.


  570. China and India are unstable

    While I don’t trust the motives of the PLA, I will assure you that the PLA will break the Mandate of Heaven.

    anyway the days of cheap energy making sneakers imported from China (and other cheap garbage) are likely over

    If we’re not able to import cheap sneakers from China due to energy concerns, I’ll assure you that we’ll be too poor to purchase American made sneakers. Either we’re going to have (white) workers willing to work for minimum wage to make sneakers or we’re going to have to eat away at corporate profits. Besides, less cheap stuff from my perspective is a decline in my standard of living.

    Mind you, if you believe in peak oil, we might as well blow our current wad on rampant alpha sex and let civilization around the world to die out and let the next dominant species take over.

    What’s wrong with Jane Austen, with men and women being restrained, polite, professional, while of course working?

    I’m not willing to give up potential to have great sex, and I don’t want to see beta males enslaved to women.


  571. @Ryder:

    “not an Age of Aquarius but a disposable society where people treat one another much as they would yesterday’s garbage. ”

    This could be for a number of reasons:
    a) Everyone is, essentially, disposable to their employers. Employees can be replaced new people easily. In fact, nowadays, they don’t even need to be replaced. They just need to be fired. The product of downsizing.
    b) People are replacing on another in relationships rapidly because of increased city living. Face it, in a small town, or “tribe,” the males and females had few choices. One female might have many choices, others might have few. Now people have more choices than ever, which leaves them wondering if there’s something bigger and better beyond. Combine that with looking younger longer than back then (when people were old in their 30’s) and you’ve got today’s society.
    c) The habit of seeking the “better” version of something (or someone) lies with constantly getting newer, better, technology.
    d) Newer attitudes in society (declining morality, radical feminism) play a role in the way things are.


  572. DA:

    What’s wrong with Jane Austen, with men and women being restrained, polite, professional, while of course working?

    I’m not willing to give up potential to have great sex

    Oh my ribs!


  573. But I like stuff. Hell, to be honest, one of the reasons I feel so wonky is that I can’t buy as much stuff as I’d like with my low wages…

    As a nation we cannot continue to like stuff so much that we go into debt to pull forward demand for said stuff, digging a hole we cannot get out of. Imagine how much better off the world would be right now if Americans had purchased homes they could afford rather than homes they wanted for the past 20 years.

    Mind you, how do you plan about bringing real wage growth? Are you planning on bringing back manufacturing? Are you planning on magically controlling healthcare costs? Are you planning on basically imposing severe tariffs on imported products?

    We need to make it possible for Americans to compete globally and for businesses to thrive in our nation once again. We need to:

    * Slash government spending at all levels, simplify the tax code, and lower the overall tax burden.

    * Slash government regulations and business compliance costs, especially environmental regulations which have long since gone over into the absurd.

    * Stop massive, unsustainable immigration into this country.

    * Develop cheap, reliable energy as opposed to wasting money researching SWPL ‘green’ energy nonsense. This means nuclear and more domestic natural gas and coal.

    * Develop our domestic oil supplies and get off foreign imports.

    * Deal with health care costs by actually addressing supply rather than just who pays. Find ways to get more doctors and nurses into the system at a lower cost per person (i.e. per education). Streamline drug development. Cap malpractice lawsuits and costs. Do anything and everything to encourage and force free market competition among doctors and hospitals. Change the tax code so individuals buy insurance, not employers.

    * Oh yeah: get rid of the fucking carb heavy food pyramid which has Americans growing fat and lazy.

    * Fire all the “make work” government bureaucrats in our system and make them get real jobs.

    * Privatize public schools, a move which will dramatically improve competition and results while even more dramatically reducing costs.

    I could go on…


  574. whiskey,

    You cannot reverse an evolving system. There is no ‘back’.. or even a modified version of ‘back’.

    Humans will either adapt or die. I could care less.. I have given up on humans a long time ago.


  575. whiskey wrote:

    “But if you took the same guy, same basic personality and experience, and instead of a IT guy you get your low-level thug? He probably has women all over him even if he is supplicating, because the thug game is that strong.”

    Just wouldn’t happen. When you look at thugs, they come from backgrounds where they are forced to be social. I think that’s the biggest advantage that most black guys have. With the way we grow up, we are forced to interact with each other. When you’re poor, many resources are shared. Not only that, but if you want to survive, you learn how to fight and be a man at a very early age due to parents not being around and just having to have a very high social aptitude if you don’t want to be a target from physical threats as a child in a poor neighborhood.

    And it’s not just a black thing; it’s this way with just about any poor ethnicity. Where I grew up, both the Caucasian and Asian guys behaved almost exactly like black guys and are just really socially aware. I think that when you take away the necessity to depend on others and give kids the option to warehouse themselves away from social interactions, you in effect cripple them socially.


  576. The guy admits to not having a single friend for 30 years and all you fools are debating why he couldn’t get laid? They guy didn’t even have the social skills to make ONE FRIEND.

    You people are not geniuses.


  577. whiskey wrote:

    “But if you took the same guy, same basic personality and experience, and instead of a IT guy you get your low-level thug? He probably has women all over him even if he is supplicating, because the thug game is that strong.”

    Just wouldn’t happen. When you look at thugs, they come from backgrounds where they are forced to be social as children. I think that’s the biggest advantage that most black guys have. With the way we grow up, we are forced to interact with each other. When you’re poor, many resources are shared. Not only that, but if you want to survive, you learn how to fight and be a man at a very early age due to parents not being around and just having to have a very high social aptitude if you don’t want to be a target from physical threats as a child in a poor neighborhood.

    And it’s not just a black thing; it’s this way with just about any poor ethnicity. Where I grew up, both the Caucasian and Asian guys behaved almost exactly like black guys and are just really socially aware. I think that when you take away the necessity to depend on others and give kids the option to warehouse themselves away from social interactions, you in effect cripple them socially.


  578. j r said to Really?

    “rather, i just hope you will remember you own words one day when you’re old and wrinkled and shamelessly flirting with any man in site just so you can once more know the pleasures of being desired. all women will eventually learn what it’s like to be a beta male. father time makes sure of that.”

    Game in BK said:

    “Game (PUA) tells men that it’s ok- to be a fucking man.

    I have a dick and I want to fuck you- this desire is my God-given right.
    You may not want to fuck me back- and that is your right- but i am sure that the next girl I see- does.”

    j r, Really?, like all other cunts of her age bracket, has absolutely no sense of time and will never realize that she will eventually become that.

    Game in BK, I couldn’t have said it better. Really?, like all other cunts of her political orientation, thinks she should be able to go through life without the slightest inconvenience such as you hitting on her. Someone ought to tell her that she wouldn’t be here if that didn’t happen to her parents.

    The discussion so far has focused on George Sodini and other similar incidents which seem to be getting more and more frequent, even if they are still pretty sporadic and random. What I’m waiting for is the time when the victims won’t be innocent random women, but rather the cunt politicians, judges, and corporate whores who brought this upon us. When it becomes a criminal act to express sexual interest, they’ve crossed the line.


  579. DT,

    You do not understand the difference between money and wealth.


  580. God I love the news! Really, is there a better, more consistently novel, and solid source of entertainment in the modern world than… The Daily News?

    George Sodini’s blog is one of the most entertaining reads of recent history; right up there with the Unabomber’s manifesto, Steve Sailer’s work, The War Nerd, and other purveyors of the genuine, sordid, often horrifying truths about the REAL nature of that awful creature, The Ordinary Human Being.

    Get a forum going, Roissy; this thread will easily go to two thousand posts in a matter of days.


  581. bob11,

    I think he had a different definition of friendship.

    His linkedin profile had 28 accquaintances.


  582. You guys are pathetic. No wonder why you guys don’t get laid. It’s so transparent that when you’re defending him, you’re actually just trying to justify why you can’t get any.

    Still waiting for the explanation about why George’s inability to make any friends for 30 years turns out to be the fault of feminism. I’m sure you assholes can figure out a way to blame that on women, too. Sick, sad, and so glad you don’t procreate. Sexual selection works!


  583. If we’re not able to import cheap sneakers from China due to energy concerns, I’ll assure you that we’ll be too poor to purchase American made sneakers.

    It’s a myth that you have to have low wages to have cheap goods. You can have cheap labor, or you can have very well paid labor where each person has very high productivity thanks to machines. Businesses went the cheap labor route not because cheap labor is all that great versus machines, but because business in America has too much government related BS overhead. It’s just easier right now to go to a foreign country.

    Mind you, if you believe in peak oil, we might as well blow our current wad on rampant alpha sex and let civilization around the world to die out and let the next dominant species take over.

    Peak oil as a theory is valid. The predictions SWPL and environmental types make using the theory are BS because they invariably fail to catalog all the oil we actually have.

    The Green River Shale formation has a solid century plus worth of oil at current U.S. consumption rates. U.S. coal resources (coal can be used to make all the fuels we need) would add another 2-3 centuries to that figure.

    I would say within one century we will be off fossil fuels due to technological advancement. Nuclear power is man’s future and using fast breeder reactors we can power all our needs until the sun dies. That’s current technology. Fusion will sooner or later be mastered and that to can give us all we need for as long as we need.


  584. Lucifer,

    Really? You think that indicates “friendship”? The guy’s LinkedIn account? Even more pathetic.

    I also love the selective trust in his ability to report the “truth”. When he says that he’s so normal and “nice” to women and there’s “no reason” why women should reject him, why he’s telling the truth When he says he hasn’t made a single friend in 30 years, well, he just wasn’t honest, just that one time in his diary.

    Hilarious!


  585. bob11,

    There are many people like him… but women want to remain oblivious.

    You too want to blame him.. works for me. I am just enjoying the show.


  586. Whiskey

    Re Biker

    That is so true Whiskey, I know an ex biker (with a dent in his forehead from a crow bar and looks over his shoulder where ever he goes) who is now lamenting his biker days when he had chicks.

    Mind you this is an articulate and intelligent man with good money but sans his posse he cant get chicks anymore. So he’s contemplating going back.


  587. DT wrote:

    “But if I had kids and an ex wife who used the courts to steal my children and my money? I can easily see myself going over the deep end because of that. I wouldn’t shoot people who had nothing to do with it, but I could snap and hunt down the judge, ex, and her lawyer. Given what goes on in family court I don’t understand why we don’t see stuff like this on a daily basis.”

    Google “Darren Mack”


  588. But a larger point – that males need to learn how to become men, is something lost on our society.

    There really isn’t a lot of opportunity to learn, in the west. During a prolonged dry spell I would fill my social calender with events that would bring me in contact with women who shared my interest. That didn’t teach me how to introduce myself or flirt.

    So I worked for years as a travelling salesman, vending in colleges and music festivals, to hone my flirting with college girls skills. Made me more comfortable, at least.

    The only thing that seems to work is actual dating.

    I’m reminded of Tom Cruise as the vampire, his blood let all over the floor and then vanquished to the swamp. That man drank the blood of rats, to build up his strength, to the point where he had all his powers again.

    It’s the same for men who aren’t getting any. We’ve got to fuck older women. Date some crazies. Whatever it takes to get enough blood to gather our strength.

    What really changed my fortunes after the long dry spell was wealth. I went from 0 to three girlfriends – one a hottie airline stewardess. A year later I leave a troublesome LTR to go to Canada and 3 weeks later I’m dating a hot Czech girl (this time without flashing cash).

    It’s each past history that accumulates on a guy – so you’ve to start somewhere. Anywhere.


  589. Even a guy as disturbed as Soldini, in times past, would have had sex with someone, on a regular basis. His life would not have been happy. But it would have had meaning.

    Nah, he would have been a hermit, or an explorer, or joined the Navy, or just blown his brains out in private (as he should have done just now). There were plenty of guys in the past who didn’t get any but didn’t go postal. Needless to say, it is not true now, and has never been true, that life without sex is “meaningless”.


  590. Lucifer,

    Seriously? You don’t think he’s to blame? You don’t think a man who admits to having no friends for three decades, no sex for two, who plotted the murder suicide of “young girls” for a year, isn’t personally to blame for his actions? AND you’re claiming that there are lots of men like him? Jesus, man, start getting some therapy, RIGHT NOW. You need serious help dude.

    And I don’t understand why you brought up how “women” ought to be aware of your belief that there are tons of guys like George. Are you saying that they should only work out in bullet proof vests? Because that’s the only way I see it concerning them at all.


  591. […] common.” She quotes “Roissy in D.C.” whose blog she cleverly and accurately calls a “repugnablog,” who post, entitled “Game Can Save Lives” […]


  592. Rum: “And a lot of middle class white guys have been massively lied to their whole lives.”

    Oh, yes. And the thing is, deprogramming takes time and experience – it isn’t merely a theoretical construct that has to get replaced. To really get the nature of women, you need sexual and relationship experience with a lot of them.

    It’s like a blind man touching an elephant. Is it a snake? Is it a tree? If he touches enough elephants and works to know them, he’ll know the nature of elephant. Reading a blog or some books will help him understand, but the hands on experience will let him know.

    Deprogramming takes dating all sorts, to find the underlying pattern of what is woman.


  593. DT nailed it, once again, on wages/health care/immigration and the rest. America traditionally has prospered on cheap land, expensive labor.

    Assanova — you might be right wrt socialization and conflict. Good point about Warehousing.

    bob11 or feministing troll — The problem is not Soldini. He’s a blip, sad though his Kamikaze ways were for his victims. Or Cho. Or Klebold. Or any of these other guys disconnected from society. It’s the guys you DON’T SEE. They don’t go out in a blaze of glory.

    They just don’t give a damn. And make life miserable for those around them, day after day after day. At a minimum they’ll step over a woman past her forties, who fell and hurt herself, because society means nothing to them but a paycheck. Take away only Soldini killing those people, he’s still a disaster.


  594. bob11,

    I could not find his actions logically inconsistent.


  595. @whiskey:

    “They just don’t give a damn. And make life miserable for those around them, day after day after day. At a minimum they’ll step over a woman past her forties, who fell and hurt herself, because society means nothing to them but a paycheck. Take away only Soldini killing those people, he’s still a disaster.”
    I have met a woman who feel the same disconnect from people; and it isn’t that people won’t talk to her, it’s that she already hates people so much that any interraction with a human being would remind her of that hatred even more.

    More than anything, it’s a feeling of unhappiness. Whether it’s caused biologically (chemical unbalance) or a combination of factors (not getting laid), it really affects people. And they think it’s unfair that others are happy while they’re suffering, so they’ll drag others down to be with them.

    Misery loves company.

    @doug1:

    I missed your post.
    “Remember that these issues impact the divorce rate as well.

    I know you agree with me about elimating affirmative action generally. But if we’re going to have it anywhere, why shouldn’t it be for men?”
    I agree with everything you said. Especially about creating stable families.


  596. Madras

    My point above being, I bet this guy is the type who would take a girl on a date to get coffee or to an art museum or on a nature hike. And then wonder we he doesnt get any.

    How about a zoo first date? Worked well for me. Although we did drink heavily during the whole walk, and drank heavily some more when we went back to my room.

    So, ya, good point. Drink.


  597. Mellow pixie dream girl, your advice is well-taken and a lot more people would be a lot happier if they observed it.

    Problem is that if I tried it out, I wouldn’t know if it were you or Really?–and that could be the difference between ultimately getting laid or immediately being arrested. Most guys would just as soon not find out rather than take that chance.

    This is the result of the feminist Junior Anti-Sex League mentality brought about through public policies such as VAWA, IMBRA, Title IX and CEDAW.

    Feminism must be smashed by any means necessary.


  598. xsplat,

    I realized the essential truth about women far earlier than most… maybe because I never drank the kool aid.


  599. Oh my ribs!

    Your insult needs an explanation like your third rate game…

    You can have cheap labor, or you can have very well paid labor where each person has very high productivity thanks to machines.

    The problem is that machinery requires high capital costs that some firms are not willing to endure due to the fear that it eats away at profits. Chinese labour is decidedly low-tech in most cases and rather labour intensive due to the low wages of the workers.

    Peak oil as a theory is valid.

    I believe in peak oil as well, but I generally tend to be rather pessimistic about the future because of it even with greater efficiency, biofuels, unconventional sources of fuel, and coal liquefaction. Even if these technologies were to yield as three centuries of oil, the problem remains the high cost of producing unconventional supplies and the environmental risk to doing so. Besides, as non-conventional sources decline and as demand increase, prices will increase as other countries seek to buy for their needs as well.


  600. Lucifer,

    Shoot yourself in the head right now. You are so fucking pathetic. So sorry you can’t get laid, dude, but maybe it’s because you “could not find his actions logically inconsistent.” You’ve got bigger problems than getting laid. Bet you think you’re so smart, too, don’t you, yet you haven’t figured out how to get laid and you blame that on women. Seriously fucking pathetic. I knew it the moment you claimed that George’s 28 LinkedIn acquaintances meant that he lied when he said he didn’t have any friends for the previous 30 years. How does a man who can’t make a friend get laid? I bet you’ve been trying to answer that question, Lucifer.


  601. My suggestion..

    If you can spare 500 $/month, and do some research on your local escort review boards, you can get at least 2 gals (7-8s) per month on an unlimited hourly menu.

    That is about 2 solid lays a month or 24 a year. Much better than your average married guy. Plus you can still play the field.


  602. This problem of increasing numbers of white men not reproducing because a radically changed culture has left them with no stake in any kind of future that involves reproducing…. or however you wish to characterize it: It’s self-correcting, so fear nothing.

    In Victorian times, white people were approximately 40% of the world’s population. Now, it’s about 8%, and falling fast, with no end in sight.

    We’re on the way out!

    As Lenin (or Stalin, I forget which) said, “No man, no problem.”


  603. on August 6, 2009 at 1:45 am The Older Man

    If we’re not able to import cheap sneakers from China due to energy concerns, I’ll assure you that we’ll be too poor to purchase American made sneakers.

    This is Dead Wrong

    I have been all over the world in the last 15 years for business and inside these Chinese factories… And let me tell you American (western) workers ARE NOT less efficient that those in other countries.

    Sure Labour is CHEAP in alot of places, but alot of time their are 3 people doing a job that could be done effectively by one smart worker.

    The problem in America is Taxes and Levies on Labour. I run a business and say I want to pay a decent lower middle class living family wage of $900 per week to be a well skilled Tradesperson, car Manufacturer or quasi professional. Lets look at the real life Numbers for my Business in Australia

    Top Line income $120,000 (My out of Pocket to give someone a Job )
    Income Tax -$35,000
    Payroll Tax -$8,153
    Workers Comp -$1,205
    Super Contrib -$11,113
    Long Service -$2,400

    Cash in Hand $62,129.32 The amount in the employees Pocket to go to work

    Less the Opportunity Cost of Sitting on ass and getting Disability Pension / Welfare and all the associated handouts. @ approx $15000 p.a.

    = $47,129.32

    So to employ one Smart Body in Australia it costs me $120k but they only feel like their getting $47K

    Australian and American workers are definately NOT Lazy or DUMB or outclassed by anyone in the world – I have seen this with my own Eyes. AND they are definately NOT expensive.

    ITS THE GOVERNMENT THATS EXPENSIVE and it puts all of these evil taxes and charges on peoples labour (that is their own under the UN charter of human rights) to pay for its bloated inefficiency, while good jobs go overseas.


  604. bob11,

    I think you don’t get it.. I can and DO buy all the pussy I want.

    I can specify race, mix, age, size, tit size, type of ass, amount and shape of hair on pussy, hair color, eye color, clothes, attitude,day, time.. my rules. I have never fucked anything below 6 for years..

    I am just enjoying the show.


  605. Whiskey,

    I just find it amazing that George admitted to not even being able to make a friend in the previous three decades, yet all of you morons are pondering why on earth a woman wouldn’t want to fuck him. Because he was obviously unfuckable. Could it be because he was so bass-ackwards that no one even wanted to share his company, much less let him put his pathetic little weiner inside her. Clearly every woman had a better option than George. And all you guys who are relating to him are just the most pathetic people on the planet. Way to align yourself with the biggest loser on the planet.

    Hey wait a minute, according to your idiotic “game” theory, shouldn’t THIS GUY have been getting some every night? I mean, he’s obviously a fucking asshole,a he doesn’t give a shit about women other than to have sex with them, shouldn’t women have been falling at his feet and begging him for attention? You believe that women just want a man with money who’ll be a jerk towards them. That’s George! Your hero!


  606. bob11,

    I have fucked girls that were italian, east european, south american (almost all the range), persian, thinner blacks, all kinds of whites, blonds, redheads, brunettes..

    I have even fucked mixed ones like italian-indian, chilean-chinese, vanessa william types..

    I do like mediterranean women though..


  607. The problem is that machinery requires high capital costs that some firms are not willing to endure due to the fear that it eats away at profits. Chinese labour is decidedly low-tech in most cases and rather labour intensive due to the low wages of the workers.

    Things don’t break down the way people often think. In most fields machines + a small labor force is quite competitive with a large, cheap labor force. When businesses are afraid to stay home and invest in capital equipment it’s because of government BS, not because cheap labor clearly costs less.

    I believe in peak oil as well, but I generally tend to be rather pessimistic about the future because of it even with greater efficiency, biofuels, unconventional sources of fuel, and coal liquefaction. Even if these technologies were to yield as three centuries of oil, the problem remains the high cost of producing unconventional supplies and the environmental risk to doing so. Besides, as non-conventional sources decline and as demand increase, prices will increase as other countries seek to buy for their needs as well.

    Shale oil is profitable at $35 a barrel, and we have enough of that to hold us over for a century. But we can’t do anything with it so long as Congress bows to environmentalists.

    As for environmental risks, unconventional oil supplies will prove cleaner with modern technology than conventional oil was just a few short decades ago with the technology of the day.

    If we face a bleak energy future it is only because we listen to religious nuts (i.e. Earth worshiping environmentalists). America is loaded with energy, we just have to get it and use it.


  608. Katto — Unless you want a Stalinesque war, to eliminate masses of White Men (who will shoot back, guaranteed) you have a man. So you have a problem. And Stalin was an idiot. The cost of his no man, no problem policy is the demographic implosion of Russia as a pathetic, third world with nukes nation. All those dead guys never had kids.

    And yeah, it matters if guys don’t reproduce. Genetic bottleneck. You’ll never know what genes you’ll need. Plus like I said, guys with no stake in the system are looking for a Napoleon or Alexander to lead them to spoils.

    Nuclear weapons guarantee that failing peoples can take down lots of others with them. And you can’t just wish them away.

    These guys are here. They can’t be wished away or ignored. Most won’t go Kamikaze like Soldini. But they sure as hell will extract their pound of flesh. Disaster.
    —————
    David A. Machines and capital are cheap. It’s only money. I can run (with a bit of skilled labor) a machine 24-7. Always running. It never gets tired. Never creates negative sweatshop images. Never creates wage controversy. Never has angry unionists and organizers at my door. Never asks for raises. Never requires a payoff. China is cheap until you factor in the never ending payoffs, bribes, corruption, knock-offs, piracy, strikes, congestion in the ports, and shipping expense.

    Politically, free trade becomes impossible in sustained recessions. That’s why Honda and Toyota build cars in the US.

    No nation has ever gotten rich off cheap labor. EVER.


  609. Blue balls made him do it???
    Bwahahahah!
    Fuckin’ hilARious.

    He was a 21st C psycho.
    Question: Did he keep his dead mama in the basement or the attic?


  610. Hansen, I think celibacy only works in monastic or retreat environments, and only when combined with prolong periods of meditation.

    For most people living in the world will not allow enough of a retreat from pavlovian responses.

    I’ve lived in the forest, not masturbating, meditating 5-8 hours a day, for weeks and months on end. It’s amazing, and recommended. But in the city, that doesn’t work for me. I need sex, good sex, and lots of sex.


  611. whiskey,

    The US system until 1934 was based on cheap labor.


  612. Lucifer,

    Jesus Christ, I don’t give a fuck about who you’ve fucked!!! You said that you couldn’t find George’s actions to be logically inconsistent! You’re a fucking psycho! You’re morally bankrupt! You’re probably a fucking criminal! Your existence on this planet consists of nothing but selfishly fulfilling your basest desires and somehow you think that’s praiseworthy. You’ve got idiotically stupid ideas about how you ought to behave and what’s okay to say out loud. Your pathetic multiple posts bragging about the women you’ve fucked are only further proof that you’d be doing our species a favor by committing suicde right now. Seriously, get some professional fucking help.


  613. @doug

    Great job on the defence of our Bhetti! I wanted to as soon as I saw what he wrote, but knew I’d not manage an intelligent response to the evolution argument. I would have pointed out her med school attendance and her standings. It wasn’t gay in my opinion, realizing of course this comes from a woman and may in fact reinforce certain opinions. :)


  614. As a nation we cannot continue to like stuff so much that we go into debt to pull forward demand for said stuff, digging a hole we cannot get out of.

    Oddly, those who we have borrowed quite a bit of money from are heavily dependent on our buying habits. The internal demand in consumer markets in Asian markets is basically crap, and the same is true for Europe. For all intents and purposes, the American consumer has stopped purchasing and the world’s economy isn’t humming as well as before.

    Slash government spending at all levels, simplify the tax code, and lower the overall tax burden.

    Congrats. That Chinese guy is still dirt cheap, and his Mexican and Brazilian counterparts work for $5 per day. I still have to pay my American employee $20.00/hr to be middle class, or I’m stuck pooling the questionable segments of the labour pool.

    Slash government regulations and business compliance costs, especially environmental regulations which have long since gone over into the absurd.

    Given that I like clean air and water, I’m not willing to take that risk to eat away at environmental regs. Nor am I willing to get rid of OSHA so companies can let their facilities become accident prone hellholes where employees become disabled and thus become burdens on the state when they’re no longer able to work. If companies don’t want to comply with regs, they maybe they should pay high premiums into indemnity fund in case we have to clean up their messes…

    Find ways to get more doctors and nurses into the system at a lower cost per person (i.e. per education)

    The only way you’re going to do that is to basically pay the full cost of schooling nurses and doctors, because there’s going to be considerable resistance to cutting corners in training.

    Change the tax code so individuals buy insurance, not employers.

    My dad passed away so my mother is facing the prospect of having to pay for insurance on her own. She hasn’t worked in nearly twenty years so her employment value is low, and her health condition* is basically a disincentive for employers to employ her or for private insurance to deal with her. COBRA is roughly $800 a month and doesn’t include prescription drugs, and private market insurance is $1000 and doesn’t cover her pre-existing conditions. In other words, private individual insurance is just too expensive, and unless the Feds are willing to pay for most of the cost of it for most Americans, it’s going to be considerably more expensive than making my employer pay for it, and I assure you, our employers aren’t going to pay us more to compensate.

    Do anything and everything to encourage and force free market competition among doctors and hospitals.

    So in other words, your plan is to drive doctor’s wages downward and basically make medicine less enticing as a career? It’s one thing to magically choose a doctor for a yearly checkup, but once you’re severely sick, one doesn’t want to choose between “which costs less” when dealing with matters of life or death.


  615. bob11

    Lucifer,

    … you’d be doing our species a favor by committing suicde right now.

    Just don’t take anyone with you!


  616. And then I noticed that I wasn’t alone. Everywhere I looked, there was some nice, harmless looking guy, being ignored by the entire world.

    I spent some months after a harsh breakup living alone in my rented house, working from home. Trying to get social contact through social events. Living hell. A lifestyle that is itself mental illness.

    I decided to rent a larger house and get housemates, to at least get some social interaction an unavoidable. It helped, a bit.

    But the not getting laid bit – or rarely getting laid – for months on end. That’s still living hell, and approaches living a life of mental illness.


  617. Machines and capital are cheap.

    So why are we making clothes overseas when we could easily build machines to do the work here in America and not worry about our IP being stolen by foreign counterparts? The machines basically only need a few baby sitters to supervise, so if it’s magically cheaper, why are companies choosing to set up shop in such a corrupt country where their assets could be easily seized?

    Interestingly, the question still remains. Would highly automated manufacturing still employ the vast majority of unskilled labour in the way that it did in earlier eras, and would it do so at high enough wages to promote middle class labour.

    Shale oil is profitable at $35 a barrel, and we have enough of that to hold us over for a century.

    Except the tar sands in Alberta are only profitable at $75 to $80 per barrel, and hell, Venezuelan crude isn’t of much value if oil is below $100/bbl. Coal liquefaction isn’t particularly cheap either.

    But we can’t do anything with it so long as Congress bows to environmentalists.

    Drilling for seven years worth of total oil usage is in a fragile ecosystem is pointless. Mucking up beautiful scenery (that frigging market to tourists) for conventional or unconventional oil doesn’t make much sense. Once we start drilling, it’s not going back, and we’ve lost that natural beauty.

    Bias Point: I am a photographer, and yes, I’m a roadgeek and railfan who wants to travel on this “plane” thing…

    Earth worshiping environmentalists

    But that’s part of what makes us white and better than the savage Asians.


  618. on August 6, 2009 at 2:20 am Cannon's Canon

    bob11:
    YOU are a BoTY nominee, faceless troll status notwithstanding. Your insults to Lucifer regarding his “not getting laid” ring true with the gold standard of feminist shaming.

    If you do in fact get laid:
    – I am glad you took the beast you underachieved in tagging off the sexual marketplace
    – conditionally, I am concerned that her over-achievement will empower her peers to exercise over/hyper-selection

    If you do not get laid, or if you are a chick, transgender, “pansexual”, or “gender-neutral”:
    – I disregard my empathetic reactions from earlier in the day urging detractors to “empathize” with this super-duper-beta of topic… put some barrels to your face and kill yourself. i can MAYYYYBE spare a passing grade to those aforementioned who respond and react, but to you, who jumps into the proverbial den of lions to scream your virtue at dissenting voices… no mercy**.

    ** unless you are a chick with big boobies and a thin waist – if so, holler at your MFB!!! promise i was just kidding about all that noise!


  619. Obamacare should include a provision for escort services under its “mental health services” wing.


  620. O

    If Women want different outcomes, they have to send out different signals: stop rewarding jerks and playas. Start rewarding nice and chivalrous guys.

    Is it really so bad in the west, that this doesn’t happen?

    As far as I tend to see, many girls avoid the rakes, and aim for security. Sex is not a priority to them.

    Women have a variety of mating strategies. I’ve never seen this mono-strategy being played out, as you and Whiskey describe.

    I go for the hot girls who love sex, because they mesh with my rakish strategy. Many girls have told me they would never date me because they know I’m not the settling down and security giving type. You can see it on my face in an instant.

    Yes, no girl wants to date a beta who can’t flirt. But many girls don’t want to date a rake who can. Most betas can have relationships.


  621. This is terrifying to me. A man kills a bunch of women because he thinks he’s entitled to a date and he’s lauded as a hero? And feminism, because it promotes a woman’s right to turn a man down is evil? No wonder you can’t get laid if you think that treating women like sex toys is the way to get one.

    Protip: blaming women for your own failings is pathetic and disgusting. Worse that you blame it on lack of sex. Grow up.


  622. on August 6, 2009 at 2:41 am Cannon's Canon

    aoefe cup preliminary ties:

    “@doug

    Great job on the defence of our Bhetti! I wanted to as soon as I saw what he wrote, but knew I’d not manage an intelligent response to the evolution argument. I would have pointed out her med school attendance and her standings. It wasn’t gay in my opinion, realizing of course this comes from a woman and may in fact reinforce certain opinions. :)

    1. bhetti’s sexual selection proposition is absolute horseshit. from killers to bad boys to flat-billers, these men hold great positive esteem to women. in prison, sodini would get fan mail.

    agree or refute?

    2. bhetti’s assertion that this ex-girlfriend was “better off not dealing with the guy at all” is a faulty premise since, in his late twenties, Sodini was educated, employable, financially stable, and, by implication, faithful.

    agree or refute?

    3. that bhetti being a top-10% third year “medical student” does not discount her from reacting as a “dumb twat”, both instinctually and contemplatively. her specialization or field-generalization is a far cry from absolute cytopathology.

    agree or refute?

    // “i’m killa, you andre miller: got a basic game – “cam’ron”


  623. I’m pleased to know the Roissy commentariat has endorsed Mr. Sodini’s actions.

    The rich man’s in his castle, the poor man’s at his gate!


  624. Oddly, those who we have borrowed quite a bit of money from are heavily dependent on our buying habits. The internal demand in consumer markets in Asian markets is basically crap, and the same is true for Europe. For all intents and purposes, the American consumer has stopped purchasing and the world’s economy isn’t humming as well as before.

    The American consumer has stopped spending because Americans can’t service their debt. Borrowing money from other countries to buy products produced in other countries is an obvious path to poverty. It makes for good times right up until the sucker doing the borrowing can’t pay back their debts.

    Congrats. That Chinese guy is still dirt cheap, and his Mexican and Brazilian counterparts work for $5 per day. I still have to pay my American employee $20.00/hr to be middle class, or I’m stuck pooling the questionable segments of the labour pool.

    You don’t understand that machine + well paid employee is often preferable to many low cost employees.

    Given that I like clean air and water, I’m not willing to take that risk to eat away at environmental regs.

    At this point the bulk of environmental regulations and compliance costs have nothing to do with insuring clean air or water. Our regulations are way over the top. Long, expensive environmental impact studies and endless litigation by extremists are grinding this country to a halt.

    Nor am I willing to get rid of OSHA so companies can let their facilities become accident prone hellholes where employees become disabled and thus become burdens on the state when they’re no longer able to work. If companies don’t want to comply with regs, they maybe they should pay high premiums into indemnity fund in case we have to clean up their messes…

    You don’t have to get rid of OSHA, but you absolutely must streamline the regulations and costs. If companies don’t want to comply with business killing regulations they won’t bow to any of your demands, they will simply leave the country leaving you without a job. How much more of that can we take?

    The only way you’re going to do that is to basically pay the full cost of schooling nurses and doctors, because there’s going to be considerable resistance to cutting corners in training.

    Nonsense, there are plenty of places for greater efficiency. Let’s go all the way back to high school and fast track kids who have the IQ and drive to be in the medical field. Get them into college at 16 and quit screwing around wasting time keeping high school teachers employed. (Four years of high school is a tremendous waste of time in this country, both for college bound kids and for kids who should be studying a trade and starting their lives.)

    In other words, private individual insurance is just too expensive, and unless the Feds are willing to pay for most of the cost of it for most Americans, it’s going to be considerably more expensive than making my employer pay for it,

    You have that backwards. Group policies ultimately make insurance more expensive by limiting competition. Your employer doesn’t pay anything, not your medical, not half of your SS, nothing. It’s all just a cost of doing business, and it generally impacts your wages, though it can also come off profits. But for the most part you pay whether you want to pretend your employer is doing it or not. Your mother wouldn’t be facing those costs in a market where individuals shopped for and purchased health insurance. She would most likely have had a policy with your father that would enable her to continue at an affordable rate after his passing since the policy would be family based and not job based.

    and I assure you, our employers aren’t going to pay us more to compensate.

    I assure you they will to attract and keep good employees against other employers doing the same thing.

    So in other words, your plan is to drive doctor’s wages downward and basically make medicine less enticing as a career?

    Do you want to control costs or not? Do you want medical procedures, and therefore insurance, to be affordable to people like your mother or not? Competition is how you control costs. Cap liability so their insurance is cheaper, get them out of school and working sooner with less debt, streamline their paperwork and overhead, and they will be better off even if prices are pushed down by competition.

    Karl Denninger had a good post on The Market Ticker which got into more detail regarding medical billing practices which stifle competition and would be considered fraud in other fields. We have to end this nonsense. Doctors must compete like everyone else. Let the market clearing price fall where it may. I guarantee you it won’t fall so low that people will no longer want to be in medicine.

    but once you’re severely sick, one doesn’t want to choose between “which costs less” when dealing with matters of life or death.

    So you prefer that an insurance company or government make those decisions? Because they will. They already do.


  625. FK

    As the laughter began to die down everyone began to notice me. My face turned scarlet as it became obvious the girl was taking the lead.

    A truly disturbing experience – one that would make a man question social values and actions. Troubling.

    I had a similar experience a few years ago. I started dating a hot 21 year Balinese girl. We were at a club, sipping it up, dancing, and mingling. After while her dance moves start to get a bit hot. She’s doing the fuck-me-from behind dirty dance with some random stranger!

    The girl I was chatting up asked me “Is that your girlfriend?”

    “No, I’ve only dated her a few times. Don’t really know her yet”

    It was all too embarassing after 1 minute of this, and my emotions were turning to rage, so I grabbed her wrist and pulled her out of there and sat her down on my motorcycle.

    “Don’t you want a man to own you? Don’t you want to be owned?”

    Over the next few weeks, as she tried to string me along, I found out she’s a whore. No harm no foul. I kept dating the whole time she was trying her best to rip my heart out. I didn’t let her compromise me. Bitches be bitches. She didn’t win. And I got a few free lays out of her.

    Point being – in an impossible social situation, in which there is no possible way to win, there is a way to win. If the girls truly doesn’t care about you, then are not dating. She has no hold. Move on. Next!

    That’ll teach just how precious her pussy is.


  626. I’d imagine Sodini, in his late twenties, was also *incredibly* tone-deaf to ordinary social interactions, a tendency that got worse with age instead of improving.

    He spent all his self-improvement energies on things that HE liked to see in the opposite sex. It seems he lacked the ability to even halfway put himself in someone else’s shoes.

    Now, it is probably true that making marriage or prostitution the only economic activities available to most women will drive more of them to marriage, but it is also certainly true that some proportion of women will elect poverty/spinsterhood over having to live with the George Sodinis of this world.

    Just last night, I was reading a late 1800s article reprinted in the local paper. One of its news items was that the town debate team planned to tackle the topic, “Should Old Bachelors Be Taxed for the Support of Old Maids?”

    There’s never been a time when the ugliest girls and the weirdest guys did not find themselves unable to stand the thought of committing to each other.


  627. on August 6, 2009 at 2:57 am Cannon's Canon

    me and DT are muhfuckin eye-to-eye on economic opining. gig, you really ought to check yourself with all that inventory-driven bullshit that GE Capital is broadcasting, even though you and me are boys – i would love to get blasted with you one night, no rainbow.

    i own about one+ share of goldman sachs because that stock will someday soon go up to “infinity” dollars and all other stocks will drop to “zero”. if this doesn’t happen, it’s still a decent hedge against doomsday.


  628. on August 6, 2009 at 3:03 am Cannon's Canon

    “i used to watch the show ‘i dream of genie’ and dreamt about WHEN I WOULD BE LARGE LIKE (SODINI)” – blastmaster kris


  629. So why are we making clothes overseas when we could easily build machines to do the work here in America and not worry about our IP being stolen by foreign counterparts? The machines basically only need a few baby sitters to supervise, so if it’s magically cheaper, why are companies choosing to set up shop in such a corrupt country where their assets could be easily seized?

    Because the government imposed costs of doing business are too high in America.

    DT – Shale oil is profitable at $35 a barrel, and we have enough of that to hold us over for a century.

    Except the tar sands in Alberta are only profitable at $75 to $80 per barrel, and hell, Venezuelan crude isn’t of much value if oil is below $100/bbl. Coal liquefaction isn’t particularly cheap either.

    What does any of that have to do with our shale oil resources?

    And how long have we been paying around $70 a barrel or more? We can survive that. We can grow and prosper at even $100 per barrel, especially if that $100 is spent on Americans to drill/refine the oil at home as opposed to being sent to the middle east. What we can’t survive is $500 a barrel thanks to the loss of foreign imports due to terrorism, war, or the collapse of our currency.

    DT – But we can’t do anything with it so long as Congress bows to environmentalists.

    Drilling for seven years worth of total oil usage is in a fragile ecosystem is pointless.

    What are you talking about? The Green River Shale formation has over 100 years worth of oil.

    Are you talking about ANWR? Where they want to drill is not a fragile ecosystem, it’s an Arctic wasteland. Regardless they could drill there for 7 years, get all the oil, and when they left nobody would ever know they were there. I agree there’s not much oil there, but there’s enough natural gas to make it worth drilling even if drilling did do some damage.

    Mucking up beautiful scenery (that frigging market to tourists) for conventional or unconventional oil doesn’t make much sense.

    Our civilization runs on oil. Without oil you do not travel, or take pictures, or surf the Internet, or even have food to eat. Oil is used for more than just transportation, though that’s a pretty big use we can’t survive without.


  630. THE WIRE

    Sailer’s views on “The Wire”

    http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/its_so_authentic/

    Some highlights:

    “The Wire is the stuff that white people like. Indeed, Christian Lander came up with the concept for his blog/bestseller while bemoaning with another white person The Wire being on the verge of cancellation for its chronic low ratings. Similarly, The Wire was Barack Obama’s favorite TV show, and Omar, the implausible gay Robin Hood with the heart of gold, was the President’s favorite character.”

    …”The Wire’s central thread is old-fashioned Jewish liberal sentimentality straight out of a Stanley Kramer message movie from the early-1960s. According to Simon, it’s The System that keeps the typical crack dealer from becoming what he always, deep down inside, aspires to be: a nice Jewish boy with a B.A. in English from a state flagship university. (Simon, the son of a B’nai B’rith PR man, graduated from the U. of Maryland and became a Baltimore Sun reporter.)”

    …”An occasional blog called Jeopardy Green Room points out:

    ****************
    The Wire is simply repeating liberalism’s oldest and most discredited tropes: … [Early 1960s] liberals fully expected that one day “blackness” would simply disappear as a public phenomenon and with it all of the coarse traits associated with ghetto culture. …
    *****************

    …”In “The Effect of Urban Flight on IQ Distribution,” the pseudonymous statistical analyst La Griffe du Lion estimates from 8th grade test scores that on a scale where non-Hispanic white Marylanders average 100, the effective IQ of the average black 8th grade public school student in the city of Baltimore is 76. “More than a third have death-penalty immunity on grounds of mental retardation,” he surmises. (In 2002, the Supreme Court more or less abolished capital punishment for murderers scoring below 70 on their IQ tests.)”

    “After generations of urban flight, the IQ of ***WHITE*** eighth graders stranded in Baltimore City’s schools is only 86, versus 99 for whites and 86 for blacks in suburban Baltimore.”

    …”the reason that so many pundits swoon over The Wire is because the message Simon is preaching to blacks—Be like me! Be a nice white liberal!—is, deep down, their solution for everything.”

    [And the reason some black people like The Wire is:]
    “Simon pens show-offy speeches to illustrate that inside most every black teenage drug dealer beats the heart of a 115 IQ Wire fanboy. For example, there’s D’Angelo Barksdale’s long AP English Lit soliloquy on the meaning of The Great Gatsby: “Like at the end of the book, ya know, boats and tides and all.”

    [or as the “Jeopardy” blog puts it:]

    ******************
    And it is exactly such faded, 40-year old product that the “innovative” and “cutting-edge” Wire is still peddling. Scratch beneath the surface of any ghetto kid, allow for the tough exterior and colorful street idiom, and underneath you’ll find a potential chess champion, or insightful social critic, or Great Books lover.
    ******************

    [However, some of us grumpy old white men have seen through this bullshit for many years now — once again, “Jeopardy”:]

    ***************
    All of this is … somewhat embarrassing to non-geriatric “advanced whites” who’ve grown up on multiculturalism and are acutely aware of the “culturally imperialistic” premises inherent in race-blind liberalism.
    ****************


  631. sorry to cover points if they’ve already been discussed.

    first, after reading this guy’s blog, i have to say that i’ve never felt so much pity in my life. i’m not trying to be like the douchebag arpagus here. what he did to those women was unconscionable, but i could feel what the guy was feeling when he wrote those posts. the simplicity with which he stated he was going to bed, alone, once again was stirring.

    second, this man was as sane as any murderer could be. he had a handle on his thoughts, feelings, and rage. he knew what it stemmed from.

    third, i’d be interested if he read roissy or others in the community. he hit on some themes that are often discussed here. is there a way to track the IP address of his computer from his blog?

    fourth, i truly think that a blog like roissy’s would have prevented something like this if the guy had read it. roissy does have its men who think the whole deck of cards is stacked against them, but it also has a large number of guys who see what’s happening and want to change it by becoming aware. if this blog didn’t actually get him success with women, it would have helped him process the “problem” and hopefully deal with/accept it.

    fifth, he pointed out that there were 30 million available (he also implied datable) women in the country. none chose him. but i’m wondering what his standards were. was he unwilling to settle? if not, did he have some sort of self-entitlement? if that, where did his entitlement come from?


  632. DT,

    Just glancing at your last couple of posts, the economic points you make are spot on. You ought to start a blog, if you don’t have one already. You might also be interested in checking out this post I wrote a few months ago, taking on a prominent lefty’s ideas for the American economy: “How not to create broad-based prosperity”. I’d be interested in your thoughts on it.


  633. on August 6, 2009 at 3:18 am Cannon's Canon

    ohhh well done, katto! where have you been these past two months?


  634. You don’t understand that machine + well paid employee is often preferable to many low cost employees.

    Except that the machine induces capital costs that hurts earnings and reduces the stock price of the company which scares away shareholders.

    Let’s go all the way back to high school and fast track kids who have the IQ and drive to be in the medical field.

    Interestingly, I’ve argued we should take the Quebecois approach and end high school in the equivalent of junior year, and basically have most students attend community college as a transitional bridge between high school and university while serving as a cheap job training, vocational programme for those that want it.

    IIRC, a number of countries basically start med school in the equivalent of the third year of college, and shave one or two year off medical school. Of course, as I noted, some would argue that cuts corners in training and the long eight year process turns out the best doctors in the world.

    Group policies ultimately make insurance more expensive by limiting competition.

    The only way individual policies will make any sense is if you get rid of the ability of insurance to deny claims for pre-existing coverage. If my dad was to sign up for insurance and be told his wife’s two previous strokes and fibromylagia prohibit her coverage, then individual insurance is useless. At least with group coverage, we get around such restrictions, and we get some degree of buying power via our employer.

    quit screwing around wasting time keeping high school teachers employed

    Fun question: How does an unemployed widow who makes $0 per year pay for her home and her maintain her lifestyle, let alone pay for an insurance policy? Extract it from her college student son that makes $0 or the unemployable son that works part-time?

    Trust me, the situation sometimes makes me want to pull out a gun and “solve the problem”.

    I assure you they will to attract and keep good employees against other employers doing the same thing.

    My employer could pay $16/hr and attract white labour, but for some reason, it chooses to offer $11/hr and in turn complain about the quality of it’s “negro” workforce. They’d rather offer third rate customer service because it’s cheap and allows them to shave off more in terms of lower operating costs. As I stated in my previous comment, I don’t see companies remitting the full value of what they pay to their employees healthcare (or payroll tax) back as income to employees.

    Do you want to control costs or not? Do you want medical procedures, and therefore insurance, to be affordable to people like your mother or not?

    That’s the problem. I generally don’t see us having the ability to control costs without running into the nasty rationing issue, driving down incomes of those in the industry makes it less enticing even if you lower their training costs. The only way that you’re going to make insurance affordable for people like my mom who have somewhat intensive health needs is to basically have the government write a blank check.

    And I am against capping liability because liability is the only tool we have to keep doctors and other professionals and businesses in line. The fear of lawsuits is what keeps doctors from fucking up and thinking they can get away with it.

    Because they will. They already do.

    As somebody who watched his dad fight cancer, I can assure you that the last thing people need to do while they’re being treated is to worry about whether “chemotherpy X” low price is worth it’s possible side effects and lowered efficacy or if Hospital X’s lower prices aren’t going to cause death in the long-term.


  635. ”””””””’on August 5, 2009 at 9:22 pm Dave from Hawaii
    It shocks me that we don’t see more of that already. I can’t imagine shooting someone over a dry spell. For that matter I can’t imagine shooting people who have never done a thing to me.

    But if I had kids and an ex wife who used the courts to steal my children and my money? I can easily see myself going over the deep end because of that.

    The reason why we don’t see more of this is because men who have children, for the most part, at least have some contact with their children. Even in the cases of extreme alienation, Father’s don’t want to have to have their children grow up knowing their father was an infamous mass murderer.

    No…I think as wretched as the divorce court industry is right now, the Father’s still have at least a minimal investment in society for their childrens sake.

    It’s these cases of betas/o m e g a s facing a life time of rejection while watching other guys getting pussy galore who are going to continue to carry out such mass murders.””””””””””””””””

    Naa man google that shit. There are a ton of families getting wacked over this unfair divorce shit. Feminists don’t give a shit about woman obviously or they would maybe try to fix divorce laws. When you back a guy into a corner and he is a man then he will react. What you have mostly in these divorce cases is the walking dead.


  636. on August 6, 2009 at 3:34 am Cannon's Canon

    chuck:
    i really sync up with your second and fourth points. as far as if he knew about “game”, i’d venture a big fat no. i consider all the many thousands of dollars spent on boot camps by dejected betas in his shoes.

    as far as sodini’s standards-threshold, we may never know the true depths into which he’d delve. earlier, i mocked a 300 lb. woman who could not convince her love interest to overcome his physical “preferences”. commenter ‘joe’ added that convincing a man to love an obese woman was the equivalent of asking a woman to love a beta male.


  637. It makes for good times right up until the sucker doing the borrowing can’t pay back their debts.

    To be miserable consistently or to be happy for a little bit and then miserable later…

    Because the government imposed costs of doing business are too high in America.

    And as I stated, even if you yank out the cost of providing health care and payroll taxes, it’s hard to compete with the Chinese guy working for $2/day or his Mexican equivalent at $6. And since we tend to like paved roads, decent teachers, money for the old folks, and kick-ass stealth bombers, we’re going to have some degree of imposed costs to ensure those things continue to function.

    Of course, I’m probably more Dirigiste than the average Roissy reader.

    Our civilization runs on oil.

    Obviously, but I’d like to look for an alternative that doesn’t require us to muck up the environment to keep our civilization running.


  638. […] practitioner Roissy, on the LA Fitness gym shooting in Philadelphia: When men kill women, the underlying reason is almost always an unfulfilled […]


  639. ”””Lucifer,
    This guy would have done better to buy pussy once or twice a week while he went out and tried to meet women relentlessly. I cannot imaging going without the physical personal acceptance of another human being for 19 years””””””””””’

    Yea I think the guy was trying to be a “good” guy live a moral life and that is what broke him. In order to survive that shit you got to toss some of the garbage out from you head. Cannot follow the “good” book the way the church tells you in the new divorce paradigm.


  640. i meant to add earlier…one issue this man faced, and one that may be at the heart of any forthcoming scenarios similar to the one in Pitt, is lack of proper male-bonding.

    yeah he wanted pussy, but i think that was only one of the things he was looking for. he wanted to know where he fit in life. he wanted to know what he was and what he deserved out of life. what questions he should ask and what he should expect. he wanted a father, an older brother, a mentor to help him figure these things out. his lack of positive male influence in his life predicated *any* of his desires to seek revenge on women.

    again, this incident attacks the crux of the issue…and that is, this man felt entitled to a woman of his choosing. human history and the history of our primate genetic ancestors has shown that male procreation is a sort of honor. not every male is given the opportunity. because of the development of the idea that human men should be able to have sex with women, a man’s value has become so attached to his ability to woo women, his failures are painted in vivid red strokes.

    this man had no male guidance to reconcile his inner demons; demons that we all face in varying degrees. his demons were manifested because of a sort of self-pity that stemmed from his lack of success with women. that lack of success was further underscored because of the high value men place on obtaining women.

    in olden days, a man like this would turn to science or the clergy….where do they go now?


  641. Al

    there is a corollary that just as men have to be taught to be MEN women have to be taught to be WOMEN.

    Girls are best taught how to be feminine women by older men. He needs her youth and beauty and raw drive, and she needs his maturity and wisdom.

    And young men will do well to date much older women. A young guy has a permanent boner anyway – he hardly needs a hottie to get horny. And he needs experience and wisdom that young girls don’t have. He needs it.

    It’s fair, it’s educational, and the sex is good to great.

    I don’t know why people in the west focus on dating near their age.


  642. on August 6, 2009 at 4:03 am Cannon's Canon

    oh chuck… go on and make me take back all that positive vibe!

    so you yourself, being the child of a single mother… where did you get your fatherly feedback? more importantly: if you did not receive that particular male encouragement, could you see yourself personally, ever in one thousand years, going on a suicidal shooting spree? i think that if your answer is no, your prescription would not cure this particular ailment.


  643. doug1,

    Since you two are close, do everyone a favor and tell your dumb cunt sand nigger friend of yours to read a book.


  644. on August 6, 2009 at 4:09 am Cannon's Canon

    hahahahahhaha

    hi yi yi hey yey hi yo
    hi yi yi hey yey hi yo
    …. we gettin ay-rab money!
    …. we gettin ay-rab money!


  645. Cannon — I’m always around. But most times when I start writing a post, I take my time, reflect on what I’m saying, and realize that it’s not worthwhile, so I abandon it. Most of the time I just link to other writings which provide what I think is a valuable point of view, and which say it better than I could myself.


  646. Marcus

    If he wanted to off himself, that’s his right. It’s sad, and it’s a shame he didn’t have anyone in his life to help him out of that despair, but it’s his right. But there’s no excuse for taking innocent people with him. That is the act of a coward.

    Yes, he may have not held normal peoples views of morality – he may not have felt an emotional identification with morality – he may have been a sociopath. One in a hundred of us are.

    But he does come across as rational.

    Killing innocents gained him publicity. Without that publicity there would be no attention to his cause.


  647. By the way, one reason some women act like bitches, deliberately trying to get the man’s goad, is to turn him into a cave-man.

    If the man was already cave man, she’d not feel the need.

    Women need to be mock raped from time to time. They need the drama. If you don’t feed it to them, they’ll ask for it. And if you don’t provide, they’ll lose interest in you.

    Women need regular mock-raping. At minimum a firm man-handling.


  648. on August 6, 2009 at 5:18 am Cannon's Canon

    after further review:

    the post(s) of commenter “Once Touchless” purveyed no pretty lies. again, pardon my enthusiastic revelry in doling out shame.

    katto: “The Wire” has been getting fellated around these parts like Cutty’s dick by a b-more street urchin’s cape buffalo mother. keep doin what ya doin, ya playaaa


  649. Roissy, Whiskey and others are spot on about this. Go read any progressive left wing site about this news. For example Metafilter. Soon as someone mentions that if “he had got laid it might not have happened”, everyone piles on the person with Maoist brainwashed femnazi bullshit like “YES, LET THE WOMEN FOLK SEXUALLY PLEASE THE CRAZY GUY”.

    Roissy and others are spot on. The left wing progressive sexual revolution hasn’t created a new age of individualism and freedom. It has reverted back to prehistory, where betas are shunned into subservient roles and alphas take everything.

    Best to learn game.


  650. This shit was off the chain funny though. A dude came on jezebel and was asking what to do about situation. These bitches are talking shit on Roissy even though apparently they sure as shit don’t have any solutions. Roissy doing god’s work to help save womans lives by giving men game. The only response these bitches had was to tell the dude to go kill some bitches in a round about way.

    ””””””””””””””””””’Vedette mouse,
    First and foremost, my condolences go out the the victims of this tragedy.

    As a man who has a difficult time meeting and holding the attention of women, I have to say: What are we to do? What can we as a society do to change this? I have always felt that the reason that I am so awkward around girl that I like is because I was never shown what to do in a situation like that (raised by a single mother, my father was never there).

    I grew up being subjected to my sister’s idea of what a guy should be; which pretty much means some one out of a romantic movie or a 14 year old’s idea of a dream guy. The thing is, by listening and following that idea at such a young age, it is ingrained in me, and it doesn’t work. I come off a too needy, clingy, desperate which leads to weird and awkward.

    Then come a wave of thought that is this “game” theory brought by guys like mystery and the like, promising “hey, we can show you how to meet girls and get them to like you and stuff!” And as a man who is is on the verge of desperation for companionship, how can we say no? And its not that I am only looking for sex (although that would be nice, and who here would not like to have sex, man or woman?) But by reading and following theses ideals makes me a “mediocre neanderthal”, I’m fucked either way.

    So I ask you, readers of Jezebel, let us not complain or point fingers, let figure out a way to solve the problem that work for both our sexes. What is a guy to do in a situation like this? Accepting loneliness might work for some, but not all and hating women can lead down a dangerous path.””””””””’

    ”””””””””””Cwisto Moweina has
    VedetteMouse: um, it’s not our problem that some guys, including you, can’t hold the attention of women? And to suggest so in the comments of a post about a man who murdered women for the same reason is kinda, um, psychotically selfish? Reply
    lisas promoted this comment Edited by cwisto moweina has got yer goat at 08/05/09 2:52 PM ”””””””’

    ”””””””””””’Lisas,
    @VedetteMouse: First and foremost, you’re a fucking asshole, and everyone here is being far, far too nice to you.
    This is a thread about a murderous, misogynist dead piece of shit, and you want to discuss your sad-sack love life? And whine about how you don’t know how to do it right because there was no man around to tell you? YOU’RE AN IDIOT. GTFO. ”””””””””’


  651. Jezebel saying roissy may have some responsibility if guys just start killing bitches. No it is bitches like jezelbel and her crones that have that responsibility.

    Asian woman can save us. I don’t believe american woman have what it takes.


  652. ””””””’omw
    I’m pleased to know the Roissy commentariat has endorsed Mr. Sodini’s actions.

    The rich man’s in his castle, the poor man’s at his gate!””””””””””””’

    What’s up omw how ya been?

    I may have even missed you a little.


  653. Well ok make that if ya just allow them to be woman without the special laws and the backup. Just let them be real actual woman. Then yea could be fine.


  654. […] recent mass murder in Pittsburgh. I usually ignore these events, but these posts by Half Sigma and Roissy piqued my interest. Go read them, if you haven’t already. DGL’s annotated version of […]


  655. Oh your god!

    I have never seen a worse collection of insecure, pathetic man-children in one place before.

    You are all deluded, and Roissy most of all. I truely though such mysoginy was a thing of the dark ages. I feel tainted knowing that I share a Y-chromosme such monstrous, ignorant and singleminded morons.

    No wonder you have to manipulate women into giving you a chance to reproduce. Hopefully you do not succeed, and our species will be saved from you contaminating the genepool even further.


  656. Go back to ‘Stuff White People Like’ Skyweir … oh, and it is spelled ‘misogyny’, jackass.


  657. ”””””””’on August 6, 2009 at 6:33 am Skyweir
    Oh your god!

    I have never seen a worse collection of insecure, pathetic man-children in one place before.”””””””””””’

    Is that a pic of a man or a woman?

    But yea like I was saying if your a woman again another bitch trying to get bitches killed. See the point.


  658. on August 6, 2009 at 6:55 am Cannon's Canon

    Skyweir:
    Your spelling is “of the dark ages.”

    Know this: if I was boxed into a cave on top of a snow-covered mountain with a dog, a chicken, a bag of seed, and you… I would kill you and eat your flesh first. Really, this is not a question of survival but rather of pure self-interest. I might actually enjoy the dog’s company, and the hen could be fed to lay eggs, which I find delicious when scrambled or over-easy. Both trump your value on the face of the earth.

    For real though, I had a little stint with World of Warcraft back in the day and I think I saw your S5 mage by the same name with the fully equipped kit pwning n00bs in all that arena gear in the battlegrounds, definitely “Alliance” not “Horde.” How is the Lich King valuepack? – I decided I’d rather go on a suicidal killing spree than cop the expansion. It was affecting my “quality of life.”


  659. Somebody should make a movie out of this thread, with the words “THIS IS WHAT MRAs ACTUALLY BELIEVE” flashing at the bottom of the screen in primary colours for the entire duration.

    I feel so fucking dirty knowing you vile fucks and I share a species.


  660. on August 6, 2009 at 7:30 am Cannon's Canon

    ebola cola:
    are you the 300 lb redheaded broad from the jezebel board who can’t convince her love interest to overcome her poor looks?

    if so, you should know that your condition is not so commonplace as categorical “ebola”

    rather, we call it
    “ginger-vitis”


  661. I too agree w/Dreamer-more White guys get w/plus-sized White gals than many White guys here want to admit. But even w/that aside, the bottomline is, that Americans overall are getting bigger. That’s just a fact. And so, if thiness is that big a deal to White guys, pardon the pun, then they’re in big trouble…pardon thepun again.

    Because it seems to me aint much any of y’all can do about it. If it were me, I’d be seriously thinking of relocating to a country where there were more Women to my liking, especially if I was single, not a chick nor child. I’d save up my pennies, get a passport, and catch the first thing smokin to East Europe, parts of Asia, Iceland, whereva. I really wouldn’t waste much time complaining, whining, bitching and moaning about something I can’t do a damned thing about.

    But again, that’s just me.

    The Obsidian


  662. lol

    feministe has linked here as well.

    I fucking cracked up at this line where she stated that Roissy needed a “… new Ed Hardy t-shirt.”

    Wasn’t ‘hating on people that wear Ed Hardy’ on SWPL a while back?

    Progressive urban liberals are almost parodies of themselves.


  663. And what do you believe ebola?

    Listens to the fiz of the cola.


  664. Ahh yes the feminsist no free speech websites. Another reason for people not to talk and just keep it all in till they kill some bitches. Feminists the most anit-woman people on the planet.

    Men actually love woman. Feminists want them to have careers where they can toil for the man. Shit is out of control ludicrus. The irony of it all.


  665. ””””””””on August 6, 2009 at 7:54 am Obsidian
    I too agree w/Dreamer-more White guys get w/plus-sized White gals than many White guys here want to admit.”””””””””””””’

    Well Obsid with all due respect I did fuck a 400 pounder and yea she still asks about me 14 years later. The thing is I couldn’t do it again. Guys rock man they take mercy on people bitches don’t. What can ya do?


  666. For all his anger at hot young beeotches, his three victims were aged 37, 46 and 49.


  667. Golly, that’s specious reasoning, Roissy! Women have to have sex with creepy guys let they get gunned down. Move over Freud!


  668. Obviously Roissy is advocating men to use game so that woman don’t get gunned down gil. Read for comprehension on the game can save lives. Look at arpagus he wanted to rape woman until he learned game. Anyway society doesn’t give any other out for people who don’t want to be on planet other than take it or maybe offer the pain up to god. All the bleeding hearts against suicide.


  669. Are you retarded Gil? That’s not what Roissy said, if the guy had some GAME women would’ve fucked him WILLINGLY(he wouldn’t come across as a creep) thus avoiding this sordid situation.


  670. That’s why war has always been around. Surplus boys get killed and war brides are captured, bringing on a male-to-female ratio that keeps everyone happy.


  671. The NY Post linked to a YouTube video that purports to show Sodini giving a tour of his house:

    If this is real, then I think it’s pretty clear that the guy was an offputting weirdo, possibly in the Asperger Syndrome spectrum.

    BTW, Roissy, the video shows a copy of “How to date younger women” on his coffee table :-/


  672. If the guy knew about game he would have known that one of the biggest components is INNER GAME. Meaning awareness of one’s flaws and deficiencies and the willingness to work on them. If he came across as a creep and was aware of it he would work diligently to change himself! Having said that there is a possibility this guy had a serious personality disorder and was beyond saving. There are millions of men who lead the same life as this guy did yet would never kill innocents.


  673. What’s best about this whole debacle is that had this guy been some minority (like Asian, or Latino, lower socioeconomic status) that shot the place up, then the left would have used it as a chance to ‘understand’ the victim.

    Look at the way progressive blogs acted after various school/college shootings. It was a case of trying to understand the victim’s mindset. He was a ‘victim’, or he was ‘bullied’, or he was ‘misunderstood’.

    Now when one of their sworn enemies — women-hating white males — does the same, they get a whiff of blood in the water and get shown for the bloodthirsty hypocrites that they are.

    So much for progressive tolerance.


  674. Oh by the way, apropos of nothing, it just popped into my head:

    Old Italian proverb: A man isn’t a man until he’s killed a man, or written a book, or had a son.

    So far, Roissy has done none of these things. (Neither have I.) But one of his favorite bloggers has done 2 out of 3.


  675. The Feministing, Feministe and Jezebel website comments just goes to show what I said earlier-that Women as a group, not specific individuals now, but in the aggregate, simply could not care less about Men’s problems in this area-even if you preface your remarks by condemning the violence. So what.

    Yet another reason why Women cannot be consulted in these matters, usually. Proper application of The Ten Percent Rule can help, but that takes considerable skill to wield effectively. Until then, youngbucks just starting out should basically ignore whatever “advice” a young Woman offers, and cling instead to the realworld experience of Men who know what it is to his dick wet on the regular.

    Amin.

    The Obsidian


  676. One thought that comes up in this thread is knowledge of Game. Had this Pittsburgh guy known game… had Jon Gosselin known Game…

    Most guys heve never heard of Game. At least this was the case with my pre-internet era teens/twenties. Unless a boy was lucky enough to have had solid role models (alpha dad, cool older brothers) or natural game uncorrupted by Feminist teachings, he was doomed to repeat his mistakes with every new girl he meets, like those damned souls in Dante’s inferno.

    When I think how many times I’ve fcuked up a good thing I had with a girl I won via natural asshole game, only to lose her by “rewarding” her with nice-guy betatude “because quality women want to be respected…”

    I broke my awful pattern of beta LTR behavior by coming across Game. But what if I hadn’t? Most young guys never come across this simple set of teachings. Will this change?


  677. on August 6, 2009 at 9:13 am evemariesaint

    Gunslingergregi:

    I actually posted a response to that, but it’s a bit further up the way in the comment thread at Jezebel (I’m anonymous there, too)…

    ————————————————

    08/05/09

    There was an interesting comment recently posted to Roissy’s blog:
    “Most guys will not cure cancer or invent the light bulb in their lives. Their worth is contained primarily in their ability to find attract and keep 1 good woman, aggregate some assets, and reproduce. Deny him those things unfairly and there will be trouble.”

    In my opinion?
    1) you are not worth less if you haven’t had sex (in a while, ever, whenever…). Stop placing so much importance on it, or variations of it (hooking up with a girl, going on a date, etc.)
    2) Hey! Now that that pressure is off, you can talk to people and be yourself! Don’t even worry about making friends. Just talk. Learn about others. Relate. Have fun. Try to find out one interesting thing about a person in your circle (work, social, or even someone random) a day. Celebrate it. And remember, this exercise isn’t about you, it’s about others, and learning about them. There’s no pressure for you to be anything other than a listener.
    3) Think about yourself. What it is that makes you unique and interesting to talk to. Think about what kind of person you would like to be.
    4) Guess what? A *lot* of people feel socially awkward. Most people, actually. They all have different defense mechanisms, and they’re not all for you, but you can’t take it personally – their prickliness, or rudeness, or coldness, just like their warmness, humor, and welcoming nature are about them (and their insecurities) – not about you, or any of your possible shortcomings.

    Jesus. I would write a 25 page book of dating advice for men, but it just wouldn’t be playing to men’s insecurities enough to outsell Mystery.


  678. @Katto A man isn’t a man until …

    I did two out of three.


  679. I did two out of three.

    Without breaking any laws, to keep things clear.


  680. Ahh, here’s his youtube channel featuring two of his videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/MOSB46PGH

    I’m still calling Asperger Syndrome.


  681. Half Sigma just came through with a bunch of new Sodini links:

    Here’s Sodini trying to learn “Game” in a seminar by R. Don Steele:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/steelballspress


  682. on August 6, 2009 at 9:34 am The Fifth Horseman

    I am amazing that there are feminist blogs linking to this article, who conform to, and confirm, our worst impressions about them.

    Sometimes I wonder if they really are as bad as we think they are. After reading some of the links, I can say without hesitation, THEY ARE.

    Despite the unsustainable power advantage that women presently have over men, they still insist that America is a misogynistic society. Most of them have never even heard of the word ‘misandry’. That is how blind they are in their projection.

    Frankly, I am surprised that Sodini-type sprees don’t happen more often.


  683. ”””””””””’evemariesaint
    Gunslingergregi:

    I actually posted a response to that, but it’s a bit further up the way in the comment thread at Jezebel (I’m anonymous there, too)…

    ————————————————

    08/05/09

    There was an interesting comment recently posted to Roissy’s blog:
    “Most guys will not cure cancer or invent the light bulb in their lives. Their worth is contained primarily in their ability to find attract and keep 1 good woman, aggregate some assets, and reproduce. Deny him those things unfairly and there will be trouble.”

    In my opinion?
    1) you are not worth less if you haven’t had sex (in a while, ever, whenever…). Stop placing so much importance on it, or variations of it (hooking up with a girl, going on a date, etc.)”””””””””””””’

    Well sex is important. When I took my supervisor class. The pyramid of basic needs has sex on the same level as food and shelter. It is important.


  684. Are you retarded funky k? Just because he can’t get women to take notice of him willingly doesn’t give him the right to gun them down. Someone who’s that deluded probably wouldn’t have listened to ‘game’ advice anyway. Then again the guy was obviously computer literate so he may well have read ‘gaming’ advice. Besides he comes across as a full-on O***a not a hard luck Beta.


  685. on August 6, 2009 at 9:37 am The Fifth Horseman

    I think that at the last minute, Sodini had a change of heart. He brought 4 guns, but only killed 3 people. His initial plan was to kill more like 30.


  686. i am on the side of the feminsit harridans (including Bob11, who´s obviously a women posing as men). Getting laid is hard, but getting friends is easy. A guy without friends is a freak, no questions about that. I also had a pleasant moment when the coolest commenter around, Lucifer, defined “friend” as someone who links to your profile in linkdn

    omw citation of that article proposing taxation of old bachelors was priceless.


  687. game can save lives & get you laid. but there are downsides to too much pussy, apparently…

    http://current.com/items/90604019_4-angry-women-krazy-glue-boyfriends-penis-in-revenge-attack.htm


  688. Legalize prostitution. Legalize suicide. Lets help the men out. No reason for people who don’t want to be on planet to be here.


  689. Hell I don’t want to be here to watch the united states go down shitter. To watch people become slaves.


  690. I have never seen a worse collection of insecure, pathetic man-children in one place before

    pleeeeaaase, I am very secure in my evil ways.


  691. . He brought 4 guns, but only killed 3 people. His initial plan was to kill more like 30

    betas

    always letting things half-done


  692. Cannon’s Canon: “In the spirit of Pupu, great boredom, and triple-hate”

    Pupu – the guardian angel of the wave field from the thermal attacks that may blow the field into countless nonsensical bits – has been proudly canonized into the trinity of …!


  693. FYI. There are 2 youtube videos of Soldini on Youtube.

    User name: MOSB46PGH.

    Google “How George Pittsburgh Lives”

    Kind of weird and awkward, but not a real nut job.

    Had dating books and a punching bag, plus the usual geek gadgets. I’m guessing the video was used for online dating.


  694. Gil you retard, reread my post carefully, where have I condoned his deed? Stop projecting.


  695. Stan B

    The NY Post linked to a YouTube video that purports to show Sodini giving a tour of his house:

    If this is real, then I think it’s pretty clear that the guy was an offputting weirdo, possibly in the Asperger Syndrome spectrum.

    BTW, Roissy, the video shows a copy of “How to date younger women” on his coffee table :-/

    He really isn’t that strange in the video, but one can sense the desperation. He was living a lonely, empty, isolated life, like so many ordinary American men do today. His sparse, sterile home is a perfect reflection of that.

    Whiskey is correct in that men will seek to fulfill their psychosexual needs through identifying with some leader who will promise them women (subconsciously, perhaps) and loot. Whoever can harness this desperation and understand what men want should be able to amass great power.

    I am really losing faith in this country. The current setup is highly unstable.


  696. on August 6, 2009 at 10:14 am The Fifth Horseman

    I am really losing faith in this country. The current setup is highly unstable.

    I know what you mean. Even 3 years ago, I didn’t feel this way.

    But I do think that by 2020, things will be better, not worse, for men.


  697. […] ways they are being culturally read. The succinct jewel of wisdom that blew me away: Roissy’s contention that “anything is justified” to help men avoid celibacy is terrifying, but more subtly […]


  698. you’ll see that there is a sizeable minority of average men who are living lives of de facto celibacy

    I don’t think that’s true factually. See Table 10 in this CDC publication:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf

    Only 2.8 percent of men 25-44 are virgins, another 9.6 percent have had one lifetime partner — that mixes in people married young and faithful (religious?) with probably some de facto celibate types. But over 80 percent of men report three or more lifetime partners.

    If you were a serious beta early in life, say 18-24 when it is tough, you might be scarred enough by the experience to think that there is some vast population of sexless men. But most people work it out eventually.


  699. on August 6, 2009 at 11:05 am Marcus Aureliette

    Cannon’s Canon:
    Fair enough. I would probably start with a few homeless people to acclimate myself to the sensations. You know, to maximize performance.

    Just going off the cuff like that with no physical preparation? Lunacy!

    He spent the better part of a year making preparations. If that’s not cold-blooded and off-kilter, what is it?

    The guy committed a heinous crime against people who’d done nothing to him. Go ahead and defend that, if you want, but don’t expect rational people to give you any credence.

    You seem to be taking issue with me because I suggested his early family life, as he described it himself, is at least as much to blame for his inability to connect in any meaningful way with the people around him as his later problems with women.

    Blaming it solely on the fact that he couldn’t get laid is addressing the symptom, not the cause. WHY couldn’t he get laid? Why didn’t he have any friends? Why such a sense of isolation?

    Far from sniping at my theory, you should be supporting it, as it in turn supports what’s often argued here: how important a stable two-parent family is for the development of a child. This is what can happen when a boy doesn’t have a strong, involved father-figure in his life…and does have a bullying brother, and a fault-finding mother….

    xsplat:
    Yes, he may have not held normal peoples views of morality – he may not have felt an emotional identification with morality – he may have been a sociopath. One in a hundred of us are.

    But he does come across as rational.

    Killing innocents gained him publicity. Without that publicity there would be no attention to his cause.

    How he came across is ultimately immaterial: his action was irrational and unbalanced. If he truly had been rational, he would have behaved rationally, but he didn’t. And if he truly was a sociopath, no amount of game would have helped him.

    That’s precisely what I first posted here saying: there’s more to this than simply “women wouldn’t date him”, but most of the posts here are overlooking the other factors and zeroing in on “it’s all the wimmin’s fault!” That doesn’t help anybody.

    His cause?! He HAD no “cause”. What he has now is notoriety for pointless murder, not publicity for a cause.

    I’m sorry he was so damaged that gunning down people minding their own business looked like a sensible option to him. But he is the one who did that, he and he alone. There is no justification for such an action. He relinquished his claim on my compassion the moment he gunned down people who never did a thing to him.

    He had the means to take xsplat’s route and purchase his companionship, if that’s what was important to him. He had internet access, which, if he were searching for dating advice, would have brought him to this very site, or one much like it. He had options that he did not exercise, and lashed out randomly when things didn’t go the way he thought they should go. Indefensible and cowardly.

    No amount of game would have solved this guy’s problems.


  700. S.

    Firepower:

    I was referring to pity-fucking men who would probably get fucked with a marginal amount of game, but who, as it is, are involuntarily celibate.

    if only you
    were jewish
    you’d be purrfect


  701. Marcus Aureliette

    And if he truly was a sociopath, no amount of game would have helped him.

    You are aware that many women find sociopaths extremely attractive, aren’t you?


  702. Fifth, it is a misogynistic society, but feminism does nothing to help matters.

    What we’ve ended up with is a misogynistic society in which women who aren’t hot get hated on brutally, men all feel entitled to sex and devotion from women who are hot, the whore/wife division and balance has been totally trashed, women feel entitled to behave like whores and be loved like wives, and wives are encouraged to put a pricetag on their “services”, and any woman who doesn’t want this kind of insanity is called “oppressed”.

    Men are now being told that in order to be viewed as a responsible guy (read docile drone) they are obligated to basically throw money at problems they would naturally have thrown punches at. So they’ve been let off the hook and the sad truth is that since there was already a problem of respecting women in the first place, they’re glad to not have to look after women anymore. Feminism has given men enough time to be bored and useless in every way but their wallets.

    So you have a gym full of women for whose security the owners are not concerned. No armed security or even unarmed guys checking bags at the door.

    There are crazy people everywhere on this planet, but the owners of that gym couldn’t be arsed to put one dude with a flashlight at the damned door. That doesn’t sound like a society that loves women to me. That sounds like a society that hates women so much that nobody cares for women’s safety, or men’s either for that matter.

    …which brings me back to the roots of this. Women’s rights cannot be divorced from human rights and work well. Everybody’s wellbeing has to be considered when making any decision that is going to affect the laws and social climate of a nation/society.

    The people with money are going to do whatever they can to keep as much as they have, and cut as many corners as they can. This is an obvious case of there being enough of a psychological crack to slip through, that whoever owned that gym didn’t think security was needed. That’s at least two or three people they didn’t have to pay. Folks are dead and shot up now, but they saved some money. Yay.


  703. ”””””””Marcus,
    I’m sorry he was so damaged that gunning down people minding their own business looked like a sensible option to him. But he is the one who did that, he and he alone. There is no justification for such an action. He relinquished his claim on my compassion the moment he gunned down people who never did a thing to him.””””

    Yea but if he had just gunned down himself he would just be another statistic unable to earn your angst or compassion.


  704. MQ AKA betaplug:

    you’ll see that there is a sizeable minority of average men who are living lives of de facto celibacy

    I don’t think that’s true factually. See Table 10 in this CDC publication:

    de facto celibacy does not necessarily mean virgin.


  705. The Jezebel twats are slipping….took them all day find this arena of pretty-lies-less discussion and bleat their self-serving, head-in-the-sand noise.

    Hey harpies – most of us on this site condemn the violence, view the Sodini affair as an atrocity (not simply as a “tragedy” – the way liberals often describe 9/11 and other premeditated attacks on the U.S.), and reject the caricature of Sodini as some kind of “hero” (Arpagus and a few others notwithstanding).

    What we are trying to hash out – if you can fend off the vapors for a moment – is what the Sodini case means in a larger context, and what might’ve lead to a different outcome for Sodini (and his victims) had certain much-discussed-on-this-blog cultural factors (the pernicious effects of uber-feminism to both men and women, misandric divorce laws, gina-tingle as the “true north” of modern women’s mate selection compass, in decreasing stake many “regular and/or beta men have in society as currently constituted, etc., etc., etc.) been other than as there currently are.

    That exercise, along with Sodini’s unusually lucid (for a mass murderer) account of his own inner state has had the effect of humanizing this killer. Many on this thread have felt empathy with his frustration, even if they simultaneously place the culpability for the murders squarely in his corner. Many men have felt a (much lesser) degree of the pain and frustration that Sodini details. Few resort to Sodini’s extremes…many more will take out their frustrations in much smaller, less evil ways (as Whiskey had detailed admirably.) We are kicking the implications of this case around, within the larger context of (let’s be honest here) the typical themes of this blog. Which is fine.

    Is feminism “to blame” for Sodini? On the last analysis, I’d say no, we are all responsible for our own actions to the extent that biomechanical beings like us can be responsible for our actions. Do the insidious and pervasive effects of feminism and the current shitculture help explain Sodini’s murders in some way? I’d say, guardedly, and with much qualification that I could detail if need be, yes.

    There’s a difference between explication and justification, and you jezebel-trolls are simply often too intellectually weak to see it or apply it.

    Now, back to your fainting couches!


  706. Ghost of Nicole

    So you have a gym full of women for whose security the owners are not concerned. No armed security or even unarmed guys checking bags at the door.

    There are crazy people everywhere on this planet, but the owners of that gym couldn’t be arsed to put one dude with a flashlight at the damned door. That doesn’t sound like a society that loves women to me.

    Come on now, where are we going to find enough men to provide women with armed escorts every time they step outside?


  707. Marcus Aureliette: agreed. Society is not simply a herd, it is composed of individuals who are held accountable.

    Many men here condemn women for their immoral choices in the sexual marketplace, but if you give the beta shooter loser a pass because society’s made things more difficult for him, then indivdual women should be given a free pass for the behavior that “society” encourages.

    If men are being fed nice guy bullshit about what women want, women are also being fed Sex and the City/feminazi bullshit about what they should strive for and how to act, and what they deserve.

    It’s one thing to say Soldini is reflective of societal trends (arguable). But to in any way defend his actions, reeks of hypocrisy and a lack of personal integrity.


  708. ”””’Ghost of Nicole
    The people with money are going to do whatever they can to keep as much as they have, and cut as many corners as they can. This is an obvious case of there being enough of a psychological crack to slip through, that whoever owned that gym didn’t think security was needed. That’s at least two or three people they didn’t have to pay. Folks are dead and shot up now, but they saved some money. Yay.””””’

    Again with the you can’t get money. Hating on rich people lol
    Getting money is comparatively easy compared to actually working for a living your whole life.
    If you are intelligent you can come up with exact ways to succeed the problem with being a fucking genious is that you can see the whole fucking life played out. You can see entire life fucking streams into the future based upon almost any variable.


  709. “Xsplat said

    I’ve lived in the forest, not masturbating, meditating 5-8 hours a day, for weeks and months on end. It’s amazing, and recommended. But in the city, that doesn’t work for me. I need sex, good sex, and lots of sex.”

    Xsplat, sounds like an amazing experience, I wish to someday try and “go all out” with the ascetic experience (for a few months, im not strong enough for a lifetime comitment)

    Dont you strongly miss the clarity and inspiration you had in that forest?

    You and a-bax have a point in that’s it a helluva lot harder to be an abstainer in todays world. But I dont see it as an all or nothing achievement. What I mean to say is that the strife for celibacy in itself is rewarding, rather than the end-goal. In some ways the rewards, such as calmness and inspiration, also acts counter to the goal since these qualities usualy inspire women to pay more attention to me (but of course my vanity gets a little massage from this).


  710. Ghost of Nicole speculated:

    Firepower says, “so, what are you doing here? loosen up. don’t be so frigid”

    In other words, nobody loves a pussy…especially not one that’s wide open to all takers.

    speak for yourself

    I Love sluts


  711. Man, that is a lot of comments. I couldn’t go through them all but has anyone noted that, in becoming a killer, had he lived he would probably have had a shower of marriage proposals? As per Roissy previous posts. Maybe then it’s some sort of primal-wired bid to jump from Omega to cold-blooded killer Alpha. But without the surviving bit.


  712. Welmer asks, “Come on now, where are we going to find enough men to provide women with armed escorts every time they step outside?”

    You know it doesn’t take that much, and the improvements would benefit people, not just women.

    Armed security in places where there are large gatherings of people is a must. The rest is a matter of just having somebody know where all your female and under 12 family members are at a given time.

    When I was a teenager, I told my parents where I was going every time I stepped out the door, and usually took my brother with me if it wasn’t with friends or my boyfriend. That was just how things were done in southern Italy. A girl just didn’t go farther than maybe down the street to the bakery without an escort unless she had to.

    When this is normal, an interesting thing happens. My boyfriend and other male friends and acquaintances of mine often share escort duties for each other’s sisters, wives, girlfriends, and moms. Moms a little less because they’re older and wiser…wives slightly less if they are very modest and with children. Sisters and other young and/or just single female relatives are just not allowed to roam freely.

    Part of this is to protect them from other men, but part of it is so they don’t start hanging around with slutty girls.

    One who didn’t know how these things worked would think that these women would have no chance of meeting guys, but this is not the case. They just have no chance of meeting guys their family doesn’t trust. Quite often, one of her brother or dad’s trusted escorts becomes her husband.

    Can you imagine how different say, DA’s life would be if being known as a good guy who wouldn’t rape people’s sisters got him called regularly to escort girls who are not allowed to date or marry any other kind of guy? So long as he was butch enough to give any guy who touched her an attitude adjustment, that would be quite edgy enough.


  713. on August 6, 2009 at 11:44 am The Fifth Horseman

    Nicole,

    I don’t agree that this is a misogynistic society.

    Women are far more capable of being cruel to a good man, than men are of being cruel to a good woman.

    Most men are instinctively driven to *protect* women. That is the only reason feminism and anti-male divorce laws have gotten as far as they have. The well of goodwill that men have towards women runs deep, and feminists have abused this privilege far too much.

    The well is finally drying up with a certain section of men. Sodini will become a martyr for this group. That is unfortunate, but certainly not unexpected.

    The American male has set foot on the Moon, defeated multiple evil empires, has invented just about every technology of the modern world, and has built great companies. When he finally figures out what this latest threat to him is doing, the American male will act to change the laws. The threat to him will end rather swiftly, then.


  714. I wish to someday try and “go all out” with the ascetic experience

    My record for celibacy is 12 days. Army activities, zero privacy or time. By day 11, I was borderline insane. Found a PortaJohn though.


  715. Four words: voluntary reversible chemical castration.

    In these socioeconomic circumstances it’s inhumane to force omegas to live with their excess male sexual desire. By dropping out of the sexual market, they would increase the prospects for the remaining men, too.


  716. Nicole

    Your socialistic and nanny state BS proves why women shouldn´t have voting rights


  717. The PortaJohn release… whoo! out of this world. Futuristic-level vision disturance. Like being gutted and electricuted at the same time. I had to slump against the plastic wall as my legs were bucking out from under me.


  718. […] George Sodini is an MRA hero as much a reason to learn game. Finally a mass murderer writes a relatively coherent manifesto. Could be better, but at least it is implied that feminism is to blame and he is taking a last stand. I had been waiting for this (almost thinking I had to do it myself) and I am impressed. Kudos. Women are treated much better than men in America. This is merely the blowback from feminism. […]


  719. Fifth says, “I don’t agree that this is a misogynistic society.

    Women are far more capable of being cruel to a good man, than men are of being cruel to a good woman.”

    I’m not a man, so I can only give my perspective as a woman on this. I see the cruelty going both ways, with men being more physical and explicit about it, and women being more emotional and subtle about it.

    Men and women also have different priorities, and what a man may interpret as kindness (like screwing a woman he feels is ugly/substandard and then dumping her on that basis), a woman would interpret as cruelty.

    “Most men are instinctively driven to *protect* women.”

    I don’t think this is an instinct. I think it is a social custom. Again, part of it is a matter of perspective. A guy who beats his daughter for talking to a boy he doesn’t approve of believes he is protecting her. The girl doesn’t feel very protected.

    “That is the only reason feminism and anti-male divorce laws have gotten as far as they have. The well of goodwill that men have towards women runs deep, and feminists have abused this privilege far too much.”

    I agree that things have gone too far legally in the other direction, but this is also a matter of perspective. What women are being told is that they don’t need the man’s presence as much as they need his money. Men are being told that their money is more important than their presence.

    This will affect the income of a man, which is important, but with men having a better chance of remarrying, apparently not the end of the world. To women, it sends a far more damaging message that will screw up her and her kids’ lives in a way that money won’t fix ever.

    Not very loving towards women to program them into a lifestyle that will leave them more vulnerable and their kids without a consistent male role model.

    “The well is finally drying up with a certain section of men. Sodini will become a martyr for this group. That is unfortunate, but certainly not unexpected.”

    True…he’s like a suicide bomber for nerds. Some people will understand the insanity of it, but some will consider him a kind of martyr/hero. I don’t really condemn anyone for their opinion on this, just that it has to be clear that this kind of thing should not happen. If there’s something we can do to prevent it in the future without making things worse, it should be done.

    “The American male has set foot on the Moon, defeated multiple evil empires, has invented just about every technology of the modern world, and has built great companies. When he finally figures out what this latest threat to him is doing, the American male will act to change the laws. The threat to him will end rather swiftly, then.”

    We can hope…

    As it is, it seems to me that the laws and social trends are favoring a kind of surface misandry that comes out in rather misogynistic results. I tend to be kind of results oriented, and I don’t see a whole lot that has actually improved because of feminism except for the bits that gave men and women equal citizenship rights.

    The rest seems like trying to solve cultural problems with legal actions. That doesn’t make things better, and really seems to have made things worse. I’ve yet to meet one woman who, 20 years down the road said that court enforced alimony or child support truly improved their lives.

    I’ve met plenty who have sung the praises of fathers who, when a marriage failed, stayed active in their children’s lives, and paid voluntary arranged child support, or none at all because they had flexible joint custody. Nobody I know who actually made a fight of it ever feels they got enough, and none of them are happy people. All their kids have serious issues.

    The current system seems to be wrecking more women’s lives than men’s, from my perspective. This is why I say it’s misogynist. It’s like the statement is misandrist, but the result is misogynist because you can’t hurt men without hurting women. “Shit rolls downhill.”


  720. Have you guys noticed a trend in fat women? Some of the ones I have spoken to actually believe they can get alpha cock. They don’t want to hook up with beta men either. This is a troubling development.

    LOL’ed.


  721. I don’t see much in this original post that’s so outrageous. Roissy’s basically saying that if this guy had some intimate human connection he might have been less prone to murder. (It’s not simply sexual release because then masturbation alone would have staved off his craziness. Consensual sex with another person is an entirely different experience that’s comforting and self-affirming on a different level—well, hopefully anyway. If all goes well.)

    There’s no way to know if Roissy’s hypothesis is true, obviously. But I don’t see where he says that any woman *owed* the killer sex, or that he deserved it just by virtue of being a man. He actually points out that this guy didn’t have the type of personality that would make him appealing to women (or to anyone, really)–desperation is a turn off and the video confirms that he seems desperate and just somehow “off.” He mentions several times that his guy’s soul/personality/etc. was in a pretty toxic state that wasn’t good for him or others.

    What’s sad to me is that what actually could have been an interesting discussion got hijacked by unstable men who want to rant about why women should constantly put out and don’t deserve to vote. There are a lot of lonely men (and women) in America right now, and it has infinitely more to do with the misplaced values and selfishness cultivated by rampant capitalism than it does feminism. But congratulations to the select few commenting here who have managed to make such a terrifying and tragic situation a platform to prove how unhinged they personally are. That’s what the internet is for, after all.


  722. socially awkward men buy a book by a douchebag to become aggressively socially awkward instead of working out their issues with women and social interaction through proper channels; news at 11.


  723. Charlotte, do you figure that the feminism and rampant capitalism (rampant lack of ethics and rampant thieving is the actual problem, but I’ll concede that perhaps this is part of the nature of capitalism even though it doesn’t define it) are each occuring in a social vacuum?

    Granted, it would be nice if more guys here would make the connection between corporate/state control and the racidal feminist agenda, but I wouldn’t go shaming them for getting part of it right. I’d just explain to them how one serves the other.


  724. I’d ask how you’re defining the radical feminist agenda, what it consists of according to you. (I haven’t read all 700+ comments, so this may have been something you’ve already outlined.)

    If you’re referring to the right for women to vote or not be stay-at-home moms or to choose for themselves who they have sex with (if anyone) then, no, I’m not going to ally that with part of the problem.


  725. also rather than buying a book or whatever, i think you guys should reflect on the fact that you are unable to view or treat women like human beings and how that relates to your inability to get laid or find connections with women. the animosity and disrespect toward women in these comments is chilling; if you think that women should bear the responsibility of fucking socially awkward/angry men as a safeguard against later being murdered by them, you have some kind of mental illness.

    if you improve your attitude toward women and stop blaming them for not wanting to fuck you, and play up the positive aspects of your personality, you will probably be able to date and get laid like a normal person. if you instead decide to ape a douchebag and antagonize women and trick women into fucking you, you will never be happy because you are not being yourself and you are not forming any kind of genuine connection with anyone. i’m saying this for your own good, because the only women who fall for this shit have low self-esteem or emotional problems.

    also i urge all of you to just commit suicide instead of killing women. your problems are not our fault.


  726. on August 6, 2009 at 1:05 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Nicole said :

    I agree that things have gone too far legally in the other direction, but this is also a matter of perspective. What women are being told is that they don’t need the man’s presence as much as they need his money. Men are being told that their money is more important than their presence.

    This will affect the income of a man, which is important, but with men having a better chance of remarrying, apparently not the end of the world. To women, it sends a far more damaging message that will screw up her and her kids’ lives in a way that money won’t fix ever.

    Agree. Misandry has a blowback that still hurts average women more. As I keep saying :

    Feminists are to average women, what
    Terrorists are to average Muslims, and
    Rev. Wright/Jesse Jackson are to average blacks.

    But these groups have to stand up to their extremists, as the average members of their group are the ones being hurt the most, not the ‘enemy’ (whether men, non-Muslims, or whites in the respective cases). Radical Muslims ended up getting more average Muslims killed and displaced than anyone else.

    As it is, it seems to me that the laws and social trends are favoring a kind of surface misandry that comes out in rather misogynistic results. I tend to be kind of results oriented, and I don’t see a whole lot that has actually improved because of feminism except for the bits that gave men and women equal citizenship rights.

    So no improvements in the last 89 years, effectively.

    The current system seems to be wrecking more women’s lives than men’s, from my perspective. This is why I say it’s misogynist. It’s like the statement is misandrist, but the result is misogynist because you can’t hurt men without hurting women. “Shit rolls downhill.”

    Agreed. But the intentions are unrestrained misandry, which is the point. The damage to women that results, is never owned up by feminists.

    So why do so few women see this? Women who are mothers, sisters, and daughters should see this.

    Even you, as a woman, would get quickly banned from any feminist blog comments section, simply for stating what you wrote above. I am sure you have experienced this. What does that ultimately tell us about the state of affairs?


  727. Charlotte, I’m okay with feminism up the point of equal citizenship rights…but then that’s not feminism as much as it is egalitarianism.

    A woman should have the option of doing whatever she’s capable of with her life/career so long as it doesn’t infringe upon the rights of others.

    It’s just that this isn’t how things are legally at this point. Men’s rights aren’t being considered because of an outdated stereotype based on averages and not individuals. People are using the state to do what the family should be doing, and radical feminism as opposed to egalitarianism puts more of what should be social issues into legal hands.

    Minimizing the role of fathers actually being a part of their kids’ lives, and demonizing masculinity are part of the radical feminist agenda. They’re extremists, and the minority, but they’re a very loud and scary minority, much like radical Christian fundamentalists.

    Their loudness and the impact they’re having on men’s daily lives may justifiably distract them from where the money is going in all this. I try to show them how some of their reaction plays into the hands of people who are not looking out for their interests…sometimes to no avail, but I at least understand where it comes from.

    It may seem pathetic on the surface, but one has to consider that the fact that someone recognizes that something wrong is happening to them, as a sign that they are not quite a wuss. Wusses would just keep playing along, believe that they are failures, and some of them would go and shoot the wrong people.


  728. Hansen

    Dont you strongly miss the clarity and inspiration you had in that forest?

    It was an interesting time in my life. Times have changed, and I’ve changed, and I’m no longer so connected to that time to even remember what I’d miss.

    Lately I’m more into chi-kung, rather than formless meditation. Sex to me is chi-kung. At it’s best it can be the ultimate form of prayer, and the most intense form of body centered meditation.

    I’m sure sex was greatly enhanced from living in the woods, and all those years of focus.

    I am not of the opinion that celibacy is overall preferred, as a means to clarity. In some circumstances it is.


  729. Firepower:

    I’m a shiksa, through and through, doesn’t that count for anything?


  730. xsplat:

    I’ve heard some philosophers of sex talk about it as a meditative, and potentially transcendental experience, but why do you specifically use Qi’gong? In what way do you specifically employ it?


  731. I’m a shiksa

    You shouldn’t call yourself that. The word in original Yiddish means “smelling of piss.”


  732. Nicole,

    But feminism is the belief that everyone’s equal—or rather deserves equal rights and protection—not that women are special or better than men. (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=feminisme)

    Of course men and women should have the right to do what they will without it infringing on others. I think you and I agree on that (?) So I’m not sure what you see women regularly doing that infringes on the rights of men and I do mean that sincerely, so if you’re patient enough to give me examples…. I know some men here have complained about men having to pay for expensive weddings or buying women drinks, but those are most definitely not legislated and no man has to do them, just like no woman *has* to be in charge of household cooking or needs to give up her job to raise a child. We might feel compelled to play our socially indicated roles, and resent them while we do it, but they’re still things we take on voluntarily.

    I’m getting the impression that what you’re thinking of has something to do with how custody battles play out since you mention fatherhood? If a father loves and wants to be with his children, I don’t know any feminists who would argue that he shouldn’t be able to spend time with them—even if he and the mother are living separately, divorced, not married, etc. Maybe we know different feminists.

    What I think of as being radical feminism (wanting to outlaw pornography, prostitution, etc.) is utterly repugnant to me, and very scary since they do influence public policy and hold academic positions and that type of thing. Not good, and not good that they’re trying to tout their positions as feminist.


  733. on August 6, 2009 at 1:26 pm evemariesaint

    Fifth Horseman,

    A Jezebel commenter posted this quote from Margaret Atwood : “Men are afraid that women will make fun of them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”

    I think that maybe, just maybe, your claim that women have more control over men than vice versa is ignoring oh…. thousands of years of human history, where men (for the most part) controlled every aspect of a woman’s life from her birth to her death. Things are different now – I get to choose, for instance, to have sex without worrying about having children as a result. There are laws against a man forcing me into sex or any type of relationship. I can choose to marry, to date, or remain single. I can, theoretically, choose whatever career path I like. The Atwood quote points to this still existing imbalance: I can still be raped if someone else chooses to break the law. I can still be physically grabbed in the street and made to feel uncomfortable. I can still get paid 75% of what an equivalent male colleague gets paid, just because I’m a woman. I am not listing these things to insinuate that you have it easy – I’m just pointing out everyday facts that I (and broadly speaking, most women) deal with.

    I’m not exactly sure what kind of ‘feminism’ or ‘militant feminism’ people here are talking about when they are trying to place blame for a) their social insecurities, b) lack of sex or c) general frustration with life. Would someone care to enlighten me? Because the last time I checked, feminism was the radical notion that women are human beings and deserve to be treated as such. Basic rights such as voting, education, access to health care and the ability to make basic choices in life regarding love and career matters seem like remarkably easy things to support. I’m wondering how, in the minds of apparently many men, it seems to have caused all of this fuss: why is my freedom ruining your life? I’ve never even met most of you…


  734. Use of the term “chilling” (as in, “having a chilling effect”, or “I find X chilling”) – another red flag that something self-serving and likely false is to follow.

    A good chunk of Roxy’s comments above…bingo! We have (1) “trick women into fucking you”, as if women do not enjoy a well-executed seduction by a man who induces gina-tingle…as if successful application of game is a *trick* that our special snowflakes somehow fall prey to. Hey Roxy et al., do your eye make-up, ass-pants, and tit-glitter somehow *trick* men into wanting to fuck you? Or is it merely your understandable and often effective technique of inducing male arousal?

    We also have (2) “be yourself”, and Roxy’s warning that we men never be happy unless we follow her advice her and just “be ourselves”. Hey Roxy, et al., Sodini was just “being himself” for the last 20 years. How’d that work out for him? For the aerobics class girls? How’s it working out for DA and Arpagus? Learning game is like learning any other hard-won skill…it’s difficult precisely because it forces you to step out of your comfort zone, it forces you to squarely face counter-intuitive realities (you mean, women lose respect for men who show too much deference to them? But I thought…)

    Roxy, honey, most men you are attracted to likely didn’t get the way they are by simply “being themselves”. A few naturals, perhaps, but not most. Most men that woman find attractive learn one way or another – through trial & error, observation of naturals in the field, or quasi-formally – that what attracts women is often the opposite of what one’s conditioning and instincts likely are.

    Read my recent (11:21 AM) comment regarding this Sodini business, and you’ll see that it doesn’t bear much resemblance to your 1st paragraph.

    Readers: We now have a phrase (“as a women”) and a term (“chilling”) that can but put in the red-flag bin as in indication of self-serving, likely-false utterances to follow. Let’s keep an eye out for more of these tell-tale give aways.


  735. PA:

    I was using the adaptation of shiksa in the modern lexicon. In a non-derogatory way.


  736. on August 6, 2009 at 1:30 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Charlotte wrote :

    But feminism is the belief that everyone’s equal—or rather deserves equal rights and protection—not that women are special or better than men

    Not anymore. Feminism today stands for the unashamed exploitation and abuse of men. Women, in America today, have many laws that discriminate in their favor and against men.

    What I think of as being radical feminism (wanting to outlaw pornography, prostitution, etc.)

    No. Radical feminism is using the courts to extract money from men, to subsidize women, and shield women from having to conduct themselves as adults who are responsible for the choices they make.

    Anti-male divorce laws, sexual harassment laws, welfare, and left-wing government stimulus (i.e. take taxes paid by men to create non-value-added jobs for women), are all examples of radical feminism. It really is the same thing as the way blacks had second class status under Jim Crow. Men are the new Southern Blacks.


  737. @charlotte- too long to encapsulate in a comment. stick around and read, setting aside any quibbles you may occasionally have with specifics, to get the gist of the particular male worldview on display here. or read the devlin article roissy cross-linked to yesterday, “sexual utopia in power” (googlable) for an alternative history of the sexual revolution. wouldn’t expect you to agree with everything, coming from a feminist perspective, btu hopefully it wil make you think and understand some things from a male point of view. good luck and welcome.


  738. Welmer

    You are aware that many women find sociopaths extremely attractive, aren’t you?

    I think most people haven’t a good notion of what a sociopath is.

    Dr. House is the classic sociopath.


  739. on August 6, 2009 at 1:34 pm The Fifth Horseman

    evemariesaint,

    Because the last time I checked, feminism was the radical notion that women are human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

    Then the last time you checked was 50 years ago. Get with the times, grandma.

    Today, feminism is :

    Using the courts to extract money from men, to subsidize women, and shield women from having to conduct themselves as adults who are responsible for the choices they make.

    Anti-male divorce laws, sexual harassment laws, welfare, and left-wing government stimulus (i.e. take taxes paid by men to create non-value-added jobs for women), are all examples of radical feminism.

    The real examples of good feminism are Todd and Sarah Palin. A woman who got both a great career and a big family, with the full support of her husband. That is why lefto-feminazis hate her so much.

    Nicole gets it. Read her recent posts. Sadly, there are far too few women with her level of adult maturity.


  740. on August 6, 2009 at 1:41 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I think this is a superb definition of modern misandric feminism that I have stumbled upon. It deserves a repeat :

    Radical feminism is : Using the courts to extract money from men, to subsidize women, and shield women from having to conduct themselves as adults who are responsible for the choices they make.

    Anti-male, anti-family divorce laws, sexual harassment laws, single-mother welfare, male-bashing TV shows, and left-wing government stimulus (i.e. take taxes paid by men to create non-value-added jobs for women), are all examples of radical feminism.


  741. radical feminism is: the revenge of ugly women against happier people


  742. on August 6, 2009 at 1:46 pm The Fifth Horseman

    evemariesaint ignorantly wrote :

    I can still get paid 75% of what an equivalent male colleague gets paid, just because I’m a woman.

    BULL. FUCKING. SHIT.

    Women are NOT underpaid in America. Neither are minorities, by the way. No one with a grasp of free-market entrepreneurship would claim this.

    Read Myth #2 here for an utter demolition of that low-IQ feminist lie.


  743. on August 6, 2009 at 1:48 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I think most people haven’t a good notion of what a sociopath is.

    Dr. House is the classic sociopath.

    As is Barack Obama.


  744. on August 6, 2009 at 1:48 pm evemariesaint

    The Fifth Horseman

    So you think that divorce law is inherently anti-male? Howso?? Because of alimony rules or child support rules?? I know plenty of women who’ve been in positions where if they were divorced they would have to pay alimony and half of their pensions. I don’t think this is inherently anti-male (unless, of course, the job market/$$ making system is inherently anti-female and thus sets up a paradigm where women de-facto make less money than the men they’re married to).

    What kinds of non-value-added government stimulus jobs are you referring to that are only for women? I see lots of men building roads and bridge infrastructure (which I would never call non-value-added – they’re actually very important) – I believe those are related to government stimulus money?

    And I would agree that Sarah Palin’s career absolutely would not have been possible 50 years ago, much like Hilary Clinton’s – I just happen to disagree with Palin’s politics and find her extremely pandering and difficult to understand when she speaks – that’s why I don’t like her very much (hate’s a bit much, though).

    Oh, and I’m 28. Not even a mom yet, but thanks for checking!


  745. on August 6, 2009 at 1:49 pm The Fifth Horseman

    radical feminism is: the revenge of ugly women against happier people

    Good one. I would retool it to :

    Feminism is : The harassment of happy people of both sexes by ugly, immature women and gays.


  746. Maurice,

    Thank you for the invitation. Given some of the comments here, I’m not sure I want to know much more about how some of these men think—if they’re really “thinking” at all. But the Devlin article does sound interesting and I’m so glad that some of you (probably most of you) here are able to have respectful conversations with others. Believe it or not, I’ve been a sex worker for years, so I regularly get a pretty heavy dose of the male view. And I like (most) men a lot. Most of the men I’ve met are good people who want to be happy and make others happy—and they don’t spend much time complaining about what a bad rap they’re getting or ranting about how feminism ruined their lives. Maybe that’s just because we have better ways to spend our time together. Or maybe I’m just great at choosing clients.

    Fifth Horseman,

    Your comment re:Sarah Palin is wrong. There are plenty of successful female politicians who feminists embrace (Clinton, Pelossi, Olympia Snowe, Barbara Mikulski) because of their political views—or don’t. Lots of feminists supported Obama over Clinton because they were unhappy with Clinton’s politics. There are numerous valid complaints of Sarah Palin, like her instance on abstinence-only education, her hostility to science, and her extremely inadequate knowledge of important international and national subjects. I’ve never heard any woman complain about the fact that she’s married.


  747. Oh, and I’m 28. Not even a mom yet

    Any prospects on the horison?

    IVFs and IUIs are expensive and negative readings on home pregnancy kits are heartbreaking.


  748. on August 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Evemariesaint,

    Let’s start with your biggest bullshit of all :

    That women are only paid 75% of men.

    To this, I ask you to answer this question :

    Why don’t women start their own companies, and hire only women, and thus totally outcompete male sexist companies on cost advantage?

    and another question/statement :

    Has it occured to you that a female schoolteacher only works 9 months out of the year, vs. a male engineer who works 12? That is where the 75% number comes from, BTW. Per month and per hour, they make the same.


  749. S.

    xsplat:

    I’ve heard some philosophers of sex talk about it as a meditative, and potentially transcendental experience, but why do you specifically use Qi’gong? In what way do you specifically employ it?

    Chi-kung is merely focusing attention onto kinesthetic awareness, in very specific ways. Just as a piano player builds up neural circuits of well played habits, the chi-kung meditator learns to call up grand kinesthetic visions. Some of the sensations can be very, or even extremely intense.

    For instance any good sex forces very strong yelling. Sex without yelling is tepid. And it’s the same for any woman I’m with. If you are able to control your voicebox, you are not being properly fucked.

    One good thing about chi-kung is it allows for many facets of personality to be fused with body centered feelings, and moved into sequentially, and eventually in harmonies, and at times all at once. It’s possible to feel sex mostly from the heart, or above the head, or even below the feet. The voice will rise or fall in pitch, depending on where you put your power. The belly of course yields a low grunt.

    What sound do you imagine placing attention in the heart would bring? In the forehead?

    Below the feet is a tricky maneuver – it means being able to be very grounded, while at the same time very intense. Like your sitting on top of an bottomless volcano, with no fear of it exploding.

    And on and on.


  750. on August 6, 2009 at 2:00 pm Curt the Canadian

    HANSEN

    where can you find instruction on proper sexual transmutation on the net? The few sites that talk about it in english are either too esoteric yogic sites or shallow info ad sites. Napoleon Hill spoke about sexual transmutation for men in order to accomplish but he did it in the context of working for your wife and loved ones. He assumed the man was married (its in one of his books I cannot remember which).

    thanks


  751. That actually sounds incredible. I’ve heard a bit about it (sex as meditation), but my traditional perception and practise of meditation involves very intense focus on nothingness, not on intensifying physical experience. Which is usually meditation’s target, no? I’m sure you have the quite the roster of lucky ladies.


  752. I just saw his YouTube videos. Gee, guys, I must have been wrong. I can see that this dude should have been getting some EVERY NIGHT. Didn’t you see the matching sofa and armchair? How about the speaker endtables? I hear those make panties melt. And not to mention the incoherent ranting! Women love that.

    The guy was obviously a psychopath, and so are a frightening number of you morons who’ve turned him into your hero. The guy had no friends for 30 years and no sex for 18 and you idiots identify with him? He was almost 50 and he was chasing women as old as his own child. He shot 13 women. If you sympthatize with this asshole, your life is totally worthless.


  753. @charlotte- sex worker, eh? i predict you’ll be uncannily popular here if you stick around. however, devlin is an older conservative type, so his style and assumptions about some things may strike you as old fashioned. but bear that out to get a gist of the whole worldview.

    you get all types on this site: a small bit of genuine crazy, some anger, some misogyny, to be sure, a fair amount of sex talk (some real, much fake) but also a great deal of really thoughtful smart folks writing about the issues of the day that pertain to the theme. i find it best to ignore the bad stuff and stay for the good.

    and i encourage new and reasonable female commenters when they appear, not out of ass-kissing or white-knighting, but because the female views typically (not always) make the board more interesting (“sausage boards suck”).

    how did you find this blog, btw?

    @evamariesaint: well, there was that time you had sex with Cary Grant on a train, and then he saved you from falling off Mount Rushmore. so you *have* to be at least a little bit drawn to alpha males, hmm…?


  754. Marcus cuntrag

    He had the means to take xsplat’s route and purchase his companionship,

    Do you honestly believe that is what I do?

    Or do you just “believe” whatever is convenient to your emotions.

    Seems to me your brain is broke.


  755. “I just saw his YouTube videos. Gee, guys, I must have been wrong. I can see that this dude should have been getting some EVERY NIGHT. Didn’t you see the matching sofa and armchair? How about the speaker endtables? I hear those make panties melt. And not to mention the incoherent ranting! Women love that.

    The guy was obviously a psychopath, and so are a frightening number of you morons who’ve turned him into your hero. The guy had no friends for 30 years and no sex for 18 and you idiots identify with him? He was almost 50 and he was chasing women as old as his own child. He shot 13 women. If you sympthatize with this asshole, your life is totally worthless.”

    To quote the legendary Whiskey,”women HATE HATE HATE betas.”


  756. Bob, this is why I find “liberals” grating.

    Wouldn’t *lack* of sympathy for someone who went off the deep end make someone more worthless than someone who at least tries to see the guy’s despair?

    If a fat chick burst into a school gym and sprayed a bunch of jocks and cheerleaders, what do you suppose the reaction would be?

    On women’s boards, it would be remarkably similar to what you see here.


  757. By the way,what was the title of that Houellbeqc (I know I spelled that wrong) novel about the AFC who popped the white girl with the black boyfriend?


  758. S. plotted:

    Firepower:

    I’m a shiksa, through and through, doesn’t that count for anything?

    great. my bubby wants to meet you now. why do i always attract the goyimette stalkers. tramp


  759. “If a fat chick burst into a school gym and sprayed a bunch of jocks and cheerleaders, what do you suppose the reaction would be?”

    What was the (female) reaction to Jamie England?Lorena Bobbit?


  760. What was the (female) reaction to Jamie England?Lorena Bobbit?

    I saw a bumper sticker in 1993 that said “Lorena Bobitt for Surgeon General.”

    The Houellebecq novel: “Whatever” (American title)


  761. Welmer

    Whiskey is correct in that men will seek to fulfill their psychosexual needs through identifying with some leader who will promise them women (subconsciously, perhaps) and loot.

    Being a raving iconoclast (like Pewee I’m a rebel and a loner), I’d never considered that.

    But that makes sense. Natural born followers in desparation will follow. Hmmm. How can I exploit that knowledge?


  762. on August 6, 2009 at 2:25 pm The Fifth Horseman

    On women’s boards, it would be remarkably similar to what you see here.

    No, the feminist boards would be much worse.

    No man here is saying that the victims deserved it.

    They are merely saying that feminism is driving men, who otherwise were harmless, into such extreme behavior, AND that many good women will suffer.

    The feminists would be indiscriminate in their cheering of the death of any and all men.


  763. on August 6, 2009 at 2:26 pm Willard Libby

    Ovid

    By the way,what was the title of that Houellbeqc (I know I spelled that wrong) novel about the AFC who popped the white girl with the black boyfriend?

    Extension of the Domain of Struggle or Whatever


    In Houellebecq’s first novel, Extension of the Domain of Struggle (1994, translated in America as Whatever),
    he intimated that sex in contemporary times has become a second system of social differentiation. It resembles wealth but has still more disastrous consequences of stratification.

    For Houellebecq, sexual liberation led to an absolute sexual pauperization for the mass of average people-who are neither unusually alluring nor socially adept, and who stay home alone in their misery.

    By the same processes, ridiculous sexual prestige, pretension, and license came to an arbitrary few.

    Liberation was neoliberal, transferring the market economy into the private sphere, whose humane character previously had been protected by institutions of family that had only been seen as repressive.

    “[S]exual liberalism,” he wrote, “is the extension of the domain of struggle, its extension to all stages of life and all classes of society.”

    In The Elementary Particles, his second novel, Houellebecq traced the origins of the collusion between liberation and market forces to the hippies and liberals of the 1960s. (He also fantasized, with characteristic extravagance, that genetic engineering could be used to eradicate the two sexes, allowing civilized happiness to blossom once human beings were superseded.)


  764. S

    but my traditional perception and practise of meditation involves very intense focus on nothingness, not on intensifying physical experience. Which is usually meditation’s target, no?

    Ya, it’s not formless meditation. Closer to kundalini or prana based practices. As far as I can tell, there are not exact real energy channels in us, but there are general sensations that are subtle and common, and sensations can be grown. For instance it’s common for people to feel a rush of energy up the spine, to feel love in the chest, to wrinkle their forehead when thinking. And it’s also possible to create sensations of energy going down the front of the body, merely by placing attention in a step wise fashion in certain areas, many times and over years. You create a kinesthetic part of your body, by force of habit and awareness. That’s what neurons do – they hook up and make stuff. So chi-kung has hundreds of different schools, all making slightly different channels. And other energy-sensitive yogas will vary also. Sometimes people throw in colors into their synesthesic meditations.

    But as you say, all of that is not about vipassana. But heighten any experience enough and you are going to feel a whole lot of nowness.


  765. take taxes paid by men to create non-value-added jobs for women

    Wait, you mean that as a woman, I don’t have to pay taxes? Cool! Why didn’t anyone ever tell me?


  766. Firepower, I’m saving up for a Jewish Rosary in the hopes that it will land me a nice Jewish boy.


  767. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/fiori3.html

    Good essay,except for the closing paragraph.


  768. And thanks;Willard,PA.


  769. Maurice,

    I found this site through a blog that linked to Jezebel—but I’d like to specify that I’m definitely not one of their regular readers. Way too much girl-on-girl crime there for my tastes, among other problems. Anyway, really, thanks for the welcome.


  770. It’s clear this guy was making a statement. I doubt anyone here cares, but the way to stop massacres like this: the media should give (prominent?) coverage to suicides. That way the Sodinis of the world can get the attention they need w/o swisscheesing anyone else.


  771. ””””Even you, as a woman, would get quickly banned from any feminist blog comments section, simply for stating what you wrote above. I am sure you have experienced this. What does that ultimately tell us about the state of affairs?”””””””

    Boo yaaa!!!


  772. I have to admit I’m confused about how you guys think feminism is responsible for making women less available for casual sex.

    Of course, it doesn’t help that ‘feminism’ is a nonsense term these days which is held by people with completely opposing views. Some people would say Palin is feminist, some people would say she’s anti-feminist. Some feminists think all porn is rape, some think there should be free porn in schools. People mean such different things, it’s not really worth using the word in a discussion.

    You could argue that giving women the right to say ‘no’ makes them less interested in sleeping with you, but I don’t think that’s your argument, because you seem to be saying that women are more slutty… and yet having sex with fewer men. I’m confused about how that works. Care to explain?


  773. ”””””Slaa
    It’s clear this guy was making a statement. I doubt anyone here cares, but the way to stop massacres like this: the media should give (prominent?) coverage to suicides. That way the Sodinis of the world can get the attention they need w/o swisscheesing anyone else.”””””””””

    Hell Yea men and woman should both be encouraged to commit suicide and also be assisted in the act by the government. So that no one is unhappy one the planet and we can actually be a progressive society.

    Gonna flunk out of school and just don’t feel like it anymore. Go to your local suicide center.

    Think life is boring go to your local suicide center.

    Had a bad day go to your local suicide center.

    Someone asking you to pay child support you don’t want to pay go to the local suicide center.

    This is gonna really help out with keeping people who want to be on planet.


  774. Emmy it really doesn’t matter about the woman so much as it matters about divorce laws.


  775. Oh – I should clarify – I don’t think we create actual nerve channels in the body. More likely most of the connections are in the brain, and include connections to existing nerves in the body. When we dream, we feel our bodies after all. And I’m told most of what we feel when we interpret our sensations is mostly going