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September 2009 Beta Of The Month

October 16, 2009 by CH

Esteemed members of the Chateau, we have our first four-way Beta of the Month Battle. These “men”, and I use the term loosely, are doozies.

First, the winner of the August 2009 BOTM, by the biggest margin yet recorded for BOTM, was wealthy WASP (white anglo-saxon pud) caricature Topper, who graciously inquired of the European aristocrat boning his wife Tinsley to kindly cease violating her so he could work out his marital problems with the ho he loves.

Topper, old sport, the beta is strong in you. If you had done what I said and motorboated a stripper at Scores you’d have walked away from all this with your dignity intact.

September 2009 BOTM Candidate #1 was submitted by reader collegeboy. It’s a video submission featuring a beta, a bitch, a ring, and a slap. Intrigued? Watch the vid!

If you can’t see this youtube video, you can catch it at this link as well.

On the face of it, it’s just a simple proposal. Proposals themselves aren’t prima facie evidence of betaness, although they are leading indicators. So what pushes this publicly humiliated man into BOTM territory? Let us count the ways.

  1. He proposed in front of a large public audience. Proposing should be regarded as a moment of surrender — of temporary enfeeblement — for a man. It should be done, quickly and stoically, in private. It should not be executed in front of thousands for the world to join you in your shame.
  2. He proposed at a sporting event, a house of manly repute. It’s not only dorky to propose at sport games, but it is beta to sully such a sanctum with the pedestalization of pussy.
  3. He sorta got down on one knee. For krissakes guys, if you’re gonna propose, DO NOT under any circumstance drop to one knee. It’s romantic in the movies when a vampire does it; in real life you are emasculating yourself. Subcommunicated body language matters.
  4. In what was probably his biggest transgression of the alpha code, he couldn’t stop stroking her shoulder like she was a cat being petted. He was panicked she might say no, and shoulder stroking to build false comfort seemed to him, I’m sure, his only available option. Is there anything more repulsive than a man trying to manufacture closeness with an uncooperative woman through forced physical displays of tender affection? It’s on par with literally licking off the bird shit that landed on your girlfriend’s six inch heeled boots, or shitting on a plate and then smearing the turd all over your face in a ritualistic sacrifice to the gods to make your ex-girlfriend love you again.
  5. After he got slapped, it looked like he cried. I would’ve shoved a hot dog in the bitch’s piehole.

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September 2009 BOTM Candidate #2 was submitted by longtime reader dave from hawaii. Before I write anything about this candidate, you need to go to his website and poke around. Be sure to click on the “Read the Blog” button at the bottom. Bring a barf bag.

You may wonder if a radical, facially hirsute feminist who hasn’t seen dick since her stepdad woke her up in the middle of the night is responsible for this website and the book ‘The Problem with Women… is Men’ that the website hawks. After all, there are pictures of pigs all over the place, and pithy quotes such as the following:

Cheating is a choice.

Women who don’t speak their minds… die.

Why porn is teaching your man bad habits in bed.

I wish I could tell you that a man-hating dyke wrote this. But the author is a man named Charles J. Orlando who has written for such ostensibly male-oriented mags like Men’s Health. Woofa. Is it a joke? Does this flapjack sacked simulacra of a man really believe what he writes, or is he playing an advanced seduction strategy of sneaky fucker feminist ego assuaging and alpha male undermining? You be the judge. Whatever his motives, there’s no denying he’s tainted himself with the mark of the beta.

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September 2009 BOTM Candidate #3 was submitted by reader chris. It’s a guy named Marc (note the fruity substitute of “c” for “k”) who wrote an article posted at the fembot website that rhymes with “facial pissing” titled “My experience with a prostitute – a feminist perspective“.

First, any man who uncoercedly calls himself a feminist has announced his resignation from the order of manhood. I don’t care if you’ve spent 1,000 tours in Iraq and scalped terrorists for shits and giggles, you lop of your nuts when you sign onto the feminist agenda. Please turn yourself into soylent beta. You aren’t moral, you aren’t enlightened, you aren’t open-minded. You’re just a laughable tool.

So what sets this guy apart from the battalions of betas who solicit hookers to unceremoniously spurt their tepid loads? Well, one, he spent an hour of his valuable time chatting up a woman and bringing her to his room not knowing she was a whore, and then feeling bad about wasting *her time*. And, two, after he found out she was a hooker, he paid her… TO TALK TO HIM.

Having already wasted an hour of her time, with her assuming I knew she was an escort (a term she says she prefers), I made a deal: while I was most certainly sexually attracted to her, my values wouldn’t allow me to actually pay to have sex with her. I would, however, pay for her time to listen to her story and learn something from a group of people I’ve spent to much learning about, yet never had never actually sat down and spoken with.

So there we sat, in my hotel room, and over Jack Daniels, talked about her life, choices and perspectives.

Your values are useless self-flagellating detritus, dude. No Being of Infinite Light hovering just above the cloud cover is giving you heavenly credits for denying yourself sex with a whore. Fuck when you can, because it is good.

You may think paying a whore to chew off your ear with her sad sack tales of woe would be the height of beta, but wait, there’s more.

At the end of our conversation, I gave her a hug and asked permission to write about her. She agreed and we exchanged contact information, so that when my vacation is over, I can do a more in depth interview and write about her.

My god below, there’s another David Alexander roaming the earth.

So what was the valuable life lesson Marc learned from this experience?

In the end, the sex work debate is immaterial because unless we take care of other problems and challenges – violence against women, healthcare for all people, and providing young women and men with the access to education they need, we are failing to provide women with the variety of choices they deserve in enhancing their own lives, and as a result, we have no rights to make a stand on the sex work industry, other than supporting them with the choices they make.

By the way, I am currently in Orlando for my last week of vacation. If there are awesome feminists in the UCF/Orlando area, I’d love to be shown around or have a drink. Let me know!

He won’t get any bites. Read the comments. Even the fembots think this guy is Too Beta To Nail.

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September 2009 BOTM Candidate #4 was submitted by reader entrepoon (great handle). It’s the touching story of the husband of a woman who falls in love with the serial killer Richard Ramirez, the infamously alpha “Night Stalker”. Does hubby demand she stop visiting the killer at his prison? Ah, if he did that he wouldn’t be up for BOTM.

Some of them write to him or visit him, including a 30-year-old woman from Washington. The woman, who did not want to be identified by The Chronicle, said most relatives don’t know about her relationship with Ramirez, although her disapproving husband does.

She said she started writing to the Night Stalker – a habit that sometimes exceeded 20 letters a week and frequent visits – because she was fascinated with his case.

20 letters a week and frequent visitations, some of them likely conjugal. Her “disapproving” husband knows about her “relationship” with Ramirez. Aaaaand, he does… nothing? He just allows it to go on and on? Does a beta shit in his pants?

For laughs, here’s another quote from the very typical killer-loving woman:

“He is good looking and I loved his big hands,” she said of Ramirez. “The thrill of danger of going up to a state penitentiary made it all worth it because to me it was like a dream come true to face one of the world’s most feared men.

“Like my mom used to say, you can love someone but you don’t have to like them,” she says.

We’ve got a DefCunt 1 gina tingle alert. The second quote is a perfect distillation of the animal female soul. A slight re-wording for clarity: “You can love someone especially if you don’t like them.” The news is out — chicks love unlikeable assholes with big, flesh ripping hands.

Take-home lesson: If your wife is consorting with a serial killer, get your finances in order, get a lawyer, compile evidence, and kick the filthy bitch to the curb. Leave your kicking foot hanging in mid-air for a second for dramatic flair. That’s the kind of thing sweet memories are made of.

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  1. on October 16, 2009 at 12:48 pm Anonymous

    LOL

    DEFCUNT 1

    u win, sir

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  2. on October 16, 2009 at 12:52 pm Kevin K

    All of these guys could of won BOTM in past months. Toughest poll yet.

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  3. on October 16, 2009 at 12:53 pm Marc KS

    Hard choices this time round… all 4 deserve the votes pretty hard.

    Votes for number 1 – shoulder stroking = practically begging the girl to marry you in public… ridiculous

    Oh yeah – Fuck you, Marc with a c is the real way to spell it (well if you are from a french family it is anyways)

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  4. on October 16, 2009 at 12:54 pm PA

    Man who brings hooker to room, then pays her to talk about her life.

    I suspect that a prostitute would be more demeaned by a conversation and a hug from a condescending mangina like this specimen than by rutting with Lucifer.

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  5. on October 16, 2009 at 12:55 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’In what was probably his biggest transgression of the alpha code, he couldn’t stop stroking her shoulder like she was a cat being petted. He was panicked she might say no, and shoulder stroking to build false comfort seemed to him, I’m sure, his only available option. Is there anything more repulsive than a man trying to manufacture closeness with an uncooperative woman through forced physical displays of tender affection? It’s on par with literally licking off the bird shit that landed on your girlfriend’s six inch heeled boots, or shitting on a plate and then smearing the turd all over your face in a ritualistic sacrifice to the gods to make your ex-girlfriend love you again.
    After he got slapped, it looked like he cried. I would’ve shoved a hot dog in the bitch’s piehole. ”””””

    omfg wtf lol He got lucky at the same time he should have been pounding his own head off those concrete stairs for asking a woman that said no. What descision in life will he ever be comfortable making now.

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  6. on October 16, 2009 at 12:58 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’First, any man who uncoercedly calls himself a feminist has announced his resignation from the order of manhood. I don’t care if you’ve spent 1,000 tours in Iraq and scalped terrorists for shits and giggles, you lop of your nuts when you sign onto the feminist agenda. Please turn yourself into soylent beta. You aren’t moral, you aren’t enlightened, you aren’t open-minded. You’re just a laughable tool.””””

    That was too funny.

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  7. on October 16, 2009 at 12:59 pm maurice

    @roissy – think vs thing in #3 – typo.

    #2 might seem the worst, but it you read the “about” page, seems like he used to be a player type. So his betaness is not innate, it’s a choice, an expression of his own direction and ego, however misguided. he’s wrong, but he’s not a beta.

    we don’t know enough about prison-wife dude. all it says is he’s “disapproving”. could cover a range of behaviors.

    #3 is pathetic, but there are lots like him. not an unusual or special specimen of betatude.

    I have to give it to #1 – a moment of awesome, fearsome, cosmic humiliation swallowed in the worst possible place and manner.

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  8. on October 16, 2009 at 1:01 pm greenlander

    Paying a hooker and then not banging her? Just to talk to her? That’s too much.

    Women love to talk. Hearing women talk about themselves is free for as long as you can tolerate it.

    On the other hand, paying a woman to shut the fuck up is something I wish was a serious option at a few points in my life.

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  9. on October 16, 2009 at 1:03 pm lurker

    #1 is Zunder, if you substitute a sheep for the woman.

    ANyway, the BOTM is clearly any many who would willingly write an article for Female Pissing.com.

    I disagree, however, that going a prostitute is alpha or beta. It really depends on the mindset.

    If the man just wants her as a sex toy he can fuck and forget, and prefers a professional skank who won’t sleep with anyone below his price range —as opposed to an amateur whore, who gives it away weekly at the bars, and does so drunkenly and badly—then he’s alpha. He might even enjoy degrading her with money, or else prefer that he can demand anal/rape scenes/3somes in the firts 15 minutes and get them. That’s an alpha hooker-fucker.

    However, if he is DA or Zunder—only turning to hookers because he can’t get laid, or he feels bad about doing it while he’s doing it, then he’s a beta.

    Let’s not forget how many Alphas in history frequented hookers even while banging non-hooker ass on the side. Ben Franklin, America’s founding poon hound, took a youthful trip to England to “go a whoring” and frequented the brothels of Paris as an old man even while, at the same time, banging both a French aristocrat and her daughter.

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  10. on October 16, 2009 at 1:03 pm blighter

    Man, tough field this month.

    This is going to take some thought.

    I’m torn between the guy being cuckolded by an imprisoned serial killer or the fellow who paid a prostitute to talk to him….

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  11. on October 16, 2009 at 1:05 pm Il Capo

    1. Classic beta. Confused, but with some balls to do that in public, even if it was the wrong thing to do. He was also was able to land a 4 somehow, although he could not get her to marry him.
    2. Not enough information. He may be BOTM but we’ll never know. Maybe he’s catering to a specific niche.
    3. Omega trying to deviously make girls like him but pulling all the wrong moves. He may be salvageable, though, if he tries to hang out with real men and learn some game. Slim chance, but we don’t know the end of this story.
    4. Disapproving how? By telling her? Ladies and gents, we have a winner!

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  12. on October 16, 2009 at 1:09 pm Biting Beaver

    What a sorry sight of loserish, aging, conservative white men.

    Another topic for day, just like yesterday and the day before that, and the day before that…

    Let me guess?

    Oh yes, whine and whine and whine like spoiled little brat about women, minorities and liberals.

    Anything new?

    Dont think so!

    [editor: yesterday i saw a woodpecker jackhammering away. tree rape?]

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  13. on October 16, 2009 at 1:11 pm askjoe

    Oh God, the looser, commie beta’s summation of why prostitution exists “the sex work debate is immaterial because unless we take care of other problems and challenges ***healthcare for all people, and providing young women and men with the access to education they need***”

    It always comes down to give me free stuff. It’s amazing how the individual is dashed in favor of whatever utopic ideal the liberal has. It doesn’t matter if his hooker got hooked on meth, what matters is that other people align their lives according to his idiocy.

    Lurker is right, Zunder is the BotM because he placates his sheep lover.

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  14. on October 16, 2009 at 1:12 pm maurice

    also, loved this:

    soylent beta

    Charlton Heston: “It’s PEOPLE !!!!!”

    Roissy: “It’s PEOPLE ????”

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  15. on October 16, 2009 at 1:13 pm askjoe

    Biting beaver is funny. “Whine and whine and whine like spoiled little brat” defines the modern liberal movement.

    The modern liberal movement is also marked by its main psychological tell, blind projection. Go ahead, project your own whining on to people that are doing anything other than that.

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  16. on October 16, 2009 at 1:16 pm AholeInTraining

    I love the BOTM contests – Roissy wit at its best.

    I can’t go with number. Voting for him just seems like piling on (recognizing, of course, that that’s the whole point of this). But, for all we know, once he gathered himself and dusted himself off, he moved on and never called her again. For him to be a winner, we would need a subsequent quote from him where he blames himself for forcing her to do that and resolves to be more sensitive to her feelings in the future.

    I’m not sure what to make of number 2 – mostly it just seems like a ploy to get attention and sell shit.

    Number 4 could go a couple ways. He was my initial choice, given the absurdity of the whole thing. On the other hand, they’re married, and, perhaps he fears that she’s literally lost her mind. Maybe he feels an obligation to stick it out while she gets through some form of a mental breakdown, insane as that proposition may be. Foolish? Certainly. Lame? Pehaps. But not nearly on the level of prior BOTM winners.

    Guys like number 3 make me absolutely sick. “Oh, oh, if I just say the word “feminism” enough times and recite the buzz words regarding the patriarchy and oppression of women, I’m sure they’ll learn to like me!” They’re like religious nuts who can’t utter two sentences on any topic without throwing in a “praise the lord” just to continually prove to everyone around them how devoted they are. I’m going with that fucker. My contempt for him grows as I write this. Usually, I feel some pity for BOTM winners. This one, I just want to punch in the face. Does that disqualify him?

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  17. on October 16, 2009 at 1:16 pm Whatever

    #4 FTW – All of these men are fags,…. but only #4 is blatantly not standing up for himself and his dignity when the time came.

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  18. on October 16, 2009 at 1:18 pm askjoe

    Yes, I know, loser not looser.

    I have to vote for number 4, BotM #2 and #3 require reading. Not in the mood to read leftist drivel. Reading’s beta.

    I feel bad for BotM#1 but am repulsed by his proposal choice. That baseball stadium just screams shabby. But really, all he did was propose either (a) in such a manner as to guarantee that his girl felt the “moment” didn’t live up to her dreams of unicorns and gumdrops or (b) he didn’t know the answer before hand.

    Number 4. Run, poor guy, run. Your wife is attracted to felons. It’s only bad news. Winner.

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  19. on October 16, 2009 at 1:20 pm pobranca

    Video seems fake. That said, paying a hooker to talk…laaaaame.

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  20. on October 16, 2009 at 1:25 pm CT

    September must be beta season or something.

    #2 and #3 are clearly trying to make a personal profit from elevating betahood. #3 is even overtly trying to get tied up and dominated by a feminister, which is at least something in the sexual realm. A few BotM candidates this year have had some sort of upside attached to their behavior, like if they can get enough Oprah-watchers intrigued by their stories then maybe they can make some semi-serious money off it. I’m not saying it’s a legitimate strategy, but it helps separate them from the absolute dregs.

    I might be in denial about #1, but the guy’s reaction seems forced to me, like this was just a put-on.

    Even if #1 real, #4 is just too good. It’s not possible to explain it away – that is ultimate beta behavior.

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  21. on October 16, 2009 at 1:26 pm Biting Beaver

    Roissy,

    If a woodpecker chump at your cock until it gets cut in bloody half…and the woodpecker happens to be black and female.

    Is the woodpecker now a cock cutting feminist, liberal and racist?

    [editor: the woodpecker had red, black, and white feathers, so it was a multicultural woodpecker that was raping the tree. does this cause you cognitive dissonance?]

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  22. on October 16, 2009 at 1:27 pm Thursday

    Number 4.

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  23. on October 16, 2009 at 1:32 pm L-Dub

    How are we supposed to pick??? All amazingly cringe-worthy, each in their own special way.

    Back when I was a musician, a mentor of mine mentioned how one of the consequences of understanding music is developing an acute sensitivity to what you hear. The downside of being able to more deeply appreciate good music is that anything subpar will drive you absolutely crazy.

    Learning the fundamentals of game and alpha/beta power dynamics is having the same effect. But not just with the most over-the-top BOTM examples, either. The everyday sight of a man who has no control of his relationship, or the guy that has no clue how to interact with girls despite having everything else going for him, that’s what makes you lower your head in equal parts pity and disgust.

    Anybody else have thoughts on this?

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  24. on October 16, 2009 at 1:32 pm kdg

    Wow, this is tough… Men #2 and 3 have, as roissy put it, resigned from the order of manhood. I don’t know if “beta” is the right label for them, or if it’s more like someone who’s gay or got a sex change: not really “beta” because they’re not on the scale at all.

    I voted for 1, but it’s a tough call.

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  25. on October 16, 2009 at 1:32 pm Firepower

    Candidate #1, video, fake.

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  26. on October 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm Talleyrand

    “#2 might seem the worst, but it you read the “about” page, seems like he used to be a player type. So his betaness is not innate, it’s a choice, an expression of his own direction and ego, however misguided. he’s wrong, but he’s not a beta.”

    If you choose to be a Beta when you were an alpha, that’s the worst kind of beta, a self made beta.

    If you then try to beta all the rest of the men you are either a gender traitor or betamaximus, especially if it is for 30 pieces of gold.

    The first guy is sad, the third guy is giving the blue pill the blow job of its life.

    The fourth guy is a close pathetic second in this, but I’m going for willful betaness after schlep any day.

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  27. on October 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm David Alexander

    I suspect that a prostitute would be more demeaned by a conversation and a hug from a condescending mangina like this specimen than by rutting with Lucifer.

    She’s getting paid $150 to $300 an hour to just listen to somebody. I fail to see how that’s worse than having sex with said beta. If one is lonely, one could easily pay for attention, holding hands, and a hug…

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  28. on October 16, 2009 at 1:37 pm Firepower

    Biting Beaver

    Roissy,

    If a woodpecker chump at your cock until it gets cut in bloody half…and the woodpecker happens to be black and female.

    Is the woodpecker now a cock cutting feminist, liberal and racist?

    It’s so refreshingly PC here to permit the handicapped to post. Honestly, it’s good they have a forum.

    It’s not *good* to poke fun at their differently abledness.

    Tthis is the sad result
    of an untreated
    40 year old
    yeast infection

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  29. on October 16, 2009 at 1:39 pm mike

    #4 shouldn’t win. We don’t know what he is or isn’t doing. Maybe he’s out getting gash on the side, or laying the groundwork for divorce. Yes, there’s a good chance that he’s being a beta fool, but all we know from the article is that he’s disapproving. That’s better than approving, right? A more appropriate target would be the author of the article, who treats this “unexplained mystery” with indifference. But neither can compare with the indisputable betatude of the other three candidates.

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  30. on October 16, 2009 at 1:41 pm The Specimen

    Great slate of candidates. Any one of these four could have won last month. It was a tough decision between 3 and 4, but I had to go with #3. Paying a for sex is a losing proposition to begin with (though better than involuntary celibacy), but paying a hooker and not having sex with her should be criminal. I have no doubt that this poor guy’s testicles long ago retracted into his abdominal cavity and started secreting estrogen.

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  31. on October 16, 2009 at 1:42 pm AholeInTraining

    To echo mikes point – for all we know, #4 is using this revelation as an opportunity to run serial killer game on his wife and have a few months of hot screaming squirting sex with her before he kicks her to the curb. We just know his side of this.

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  32. on October 16, 2009 at 1:47 pm Tommy

    number 1 was too hard to watch in its entirety. That makes it win.

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  33. on October 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm ironrailsironweights

    I’ll give Marc-with-a-C at #3 a pass because he was quite drunk at the time. Nor can I get too worked up about the man at #4. He knows that his wife’s infatuation with Ramirez will never be physical because Ramirez isn’t going anywhere.

    It’s hard to know what to make of ballgame man in #1. The public proposal was a stupid idea in retrospect, but it’s not all that uncommon a thing to try – in fact, I saw one myself at a Yankees game in 2007 (the chick said yes). He may be Beta, but he’s also lucky not to be marrying such an evil woman.

    Guess this leaves Orlando by default. I don’t have time right now to read his stuff.

    Peter

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  34. on October 16, 2009 at 1:49 pm Basil Ransom

    In what was probably his biggest transgression of the alpha code, he couldn’t stop stroking her shoulder like she was a cat being petted…

    Every guy has the impulse to coddle a girl when she’s pissed, thinking, “well, if I show her that I like her, she can’t stay angry right?” But girls hate anything that comes from a place of weakness. She may take it as an apology, and girls are prone to viewing apologetic men with contempt.

    So it always backfires. Turn your back on her for a bit, then re-engage sometime later, slowly and stoically.

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  35. on October 16, 2009 at 1:52 pm 1n4001

    Orlando/UCF will be better off when #3 is gone.

    I actually know someone who would probably sit and listen to a hooker and not have sex. A few of us tried to introduce him to game, but he would rather read Sotomayor’s and the rest of the Supreme Court’s opinion papers and play text based role playing games.

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  36. on October 16, 2009 at 1:53 pm gunslingergregi

    Seeing the good in this none of these guys is going to be a victim of identity theft.

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  37. on October 16, 2009 at 1:55 pm C

    #1 is just a run of the mill beta.
    #2 may have an angle. (being charitable)
    #3 is truly repulsive. He’s even repulsive to the feminists he’s trying to win over. I was strongly considering voting for him but then…
    #4 is BOTM. His wife is getting nailed by a serial killer. This is like Topper but worse.

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  38. on October 16, 2009 at 1:55 pm smoothvirus

    I’m certain the proposal thing is a stunt. The Wizards started the whole thing with an identical stunt during a game at the Verizon Center a few years back, video of it made every single cable news network. They’ve been putting these things on at sports events all over the country ever since.

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  39. on October 16, 2009 at 1:55 pm Cannon's Canon

    i usually love dissecting these contenders and analyzing them through the lens of a feminized society, to determine which nominee is the most shameful man, or perhaps deserves the most shame from libertine men.

    i can’t watch or read past the first video. i replayed it three more times, then posted it to my facebook status. i have never been more motivated toward mockery than in this case.

    eventually, i will regroup and judge fairly. it will be a small matter. shock and awe rules the day; #1 wins a “wild card” into the BoTY playoffs… ho ass twins (don’t care that they won a division with a worse record than ho ass boston… pun still stands)

    ughhhhhhhhh

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  40. on October 16, 2009 at 1:56 pm snatch magnet

    First of all, “entrepoon” would be an awesome name for a band.

    IMO #2 gets the win because he acts that way on purpose.

    The first guy, well, cheesy and stupid and deserving of the outcome but he can chalk it up to stupidity and move on.

    Third guy is just rationalizing his lack of sack.

    And I think #4 probably doesn’t know the extent of his wife’s contact, or maybe he’s got some on the side too and just doesn’t give a shit.

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  41. on October 16, 2009 at 1:58 pm Karl Smith

    I have to go with #4

    His wife put this in print – IN PRINT

    The thrill of danger of going up to a state penitentiary made it all worth it because to me it was like a dream come true to face one of the world’s most feared men.

    “Like my mom used to say, you can love someone but you don’t have to like them,” she says.

    It would be one thing for her to confess to you that Rameriz thrills her and then for you to work a simulated rape thing into your sex.

    It would be an unacceptable spit in the face for her to TRAVEL to see this man she clearly lusts after.

    And I can’t even begin to imagine her putting it in print. At a bear minimum telling the reporter and also risking that other people will find out.

    The girl at the ball game might have just been embarrassed and acted out. She could have come crying back to him later. The other two guys are clearly trying to get action by playing the sensitive card.

    The fourth guy is being played by his wife on THE INTERNET. I just can’t get over it.

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  42. on October 16, 2009 at 1:58 pm maurice

    @biting beaver- i bet you regularly rape your girlfriend with a big purple-saguaro dildo. how does that make you feel?

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  43. on October 16, 2009 at 2:00 pm MeanBone

    What kind of a beta is so hard up for female attention that he doesn’t even realize the reason this slut is actually talking to him is because she’s a professional whore? A BOTM, that’s what kind.

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  44. on October 16, 2009 at 2:00 pm smoothvirus

    My vote is for #3. I considered #4, but I recently heard a news story about Ramirez, he is married to one of his admirers, and he is not allowed to have conjugal visits.

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  45. on October 16, 2009 at 2:00 pm PA

    Hey, Biting Beaver! the other day I slipped and accidentally jammed my thumb into a taco. Red sauce squirted all over. Did that hurt you?

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  46. on October 16, 2009 at 2:04 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””smoothvirus
    My vote is for #3. I considered #4, but I recently heard a news story about Ramirez, he is married to one of his admirers, and he is not allowed to have conjugal visits.
    ”””””

    Now I got to take serial killer off my list of things to do that sucks.

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  47. on October 16, 2009 at 2:06 pm Mr.M

    Voted for hooker scenario.

    Why pay a woman to talk?

    Women are similar to training dogs….reward good behavior (sex) and punish bad behavior (talking).

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  48. on October 16, 2009 at 2:07 pm Cannon's Canon

    i don’t like to diminish the weight of my words with multiple posts, but the second candidate compares UNfavorably to so many of our previous spitfire pigs. i have a feeling it will be a difficult draw tonight.

    mr valenti is still the beta of the year, if for no other rationale than that of the obama peace prize. we award it to him for FUTURE BETA BEHAVIOR.

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  49. on October 16, 2009 at 2:08 pm ironrailsironweights

    Marc-with-a-C in #3 wouldn’t have had anything to write about if he had skipped the escort and gone to a massage parlor, where the girl’s English would have been limited to “You so big!” and “You give me big tip?”

    Peter

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  50. on October 16, 2009 at 2:10 pm Doug Jones

    Fuck when you can, because it is good.

    Awesome. That’s almost ‘Roissy maxim’ material.

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  51. on October 16, 2009 at 2:10 pm Carl Sagan

    It was really just a battle between the 3rd and 4th guy.

    I went for the 3rd because he sounded more clueless.

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  52. on October 16, 2009 at 2:10 pm The truth

    Very tough contest. Who will “win”??? Had to vote for herb #1 after much deliberation.

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  53. on October 16, 2009 at 2:11 pm Cless Alvein

    The official Cless Alvein verdict:

    #2 is a garden-variety, self-hating male. There are a lot of them out there. It’s sad, but not BOTM material. So strike him off the list. 4th place.

    #3: not necessarily beta. In many societies, upper-class men with vapid Society wives hire prostitutes for intelligent conversation. So it can be very prestigious and highbrow to hire a whore for conversation, if done right.

    #4: it’s bad, but maybe he wants to divorce her and sees this as the easiest way of getting rid of her. He takes a very close second.

    #1 wins. He picked a horrible venue (proposing at a sports event only works in shitty lower-middle-class guy movies). He got his balls handed to him on a fork by a not very attractive woman.

    Also, much of being beta is how badly you get pwned for your transgressions. He ended up on Youtube. The only thing that could be worse would be getting married to the bitch.

    If he never sees her again, he qualifies as low beta. If he ever talks to her again, he’s more zeta than Riemann.

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  54. on October 16, 2009 at 2:11 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    They’re all horrifying…. whoriffying! I really can’t pick, but I think number 4. That is just totally unacceptable behavior from a wife. That’s the equivalent of your husband “falling in love with” and visiting a 20 year old stripper with a 36dd and a slender waist.

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  55. on October 16, 2009 at 2:14 pm lurker

    Cless, don’t you have a picture of Michelle Nobama you can masturbate to?

    Wait, here’s one of her with her sister: http://es.geocities.com/la_oficiosa/Bigfiles/lursa-betor.jpg

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  56. on October 16, 2009 at 2:15 pm anony

    I’ll share my husband’s unforgettable marriage proposal to me, as an inspiration to others, for whom this style might resonate.

    Over christmas break from school, he invited me to his parents home for a weekend. From there, he invited me to cross-country ski over frozen lake to an island. (Family friends had inherited a potato farm, sold it, and bought an island, previously owned by Al Capone.) He had spent many of his summers on this island, so I knew how important it was to him.

    The ice cracked beneath us, increasingly seeming not thick enough for our weights, but we did arrive without submersion. He had forgotten the keys to “the big house” so we sheltered in the servant’s quarters. He nervousness hinted at his intentions. On bended knee he asked, I cried, and my tears froze on my lashes. We lunched and returned to our skis. The return trip lake ice cracked louder; we separated to distribute our weights; and picked up speed. Home alive.

    The privacy, personalized setting, and the death risk made it memorable.

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  57. on October 16, 2009 at 2:17 pm PA

    Helpful hint to guys who are thinking of proposing and want to avoid a “no” response: propose to her (obviously, if you actually wanna marry her) ONLY after she has been sweetly and relentlessly ‘hinting’ about marrying you months beforehand.

    Even if you propose privately, as you should, there are still social reprocussions to her saying “no,” as the word will get out to your friends and family, making you look tooled.

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  58. on October 16, 2009 at 2:19 pm The truth

    Btw to the troll who refers to itself as Biting Beaver; not all of us on this site are white, old, conservative or even American. Some of us are more aware of the true reality of this worlds social dynamics. You don’t like this? Get off and don’t bother with us. Goodbye now.

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  59. on October 16, 2009 at 2:19 pm ironrailsironweights

    #1 wins. He picked a horrible venue (proposing at a sports event only works in shitty lower-middle-class guy movies). He got his balls handed to him on a fork by a not very attractive woman.

    One of the people who commented at You Tube works for the Houston Astros and says they get about 50 proposals each season. As I noted above, I saw a proposal myself, at a Yankee game a couple years ago. So it’s not that unusual a thing to do.

    Some of the comments at You Tube thought the whole thing was faked.

    Peter

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  60. on October 16, 2009 at 2:20 pm Backdoor Man

    I feel bad for #1. Don’t pile on him. The poor fucker has already been humiliated beyond belief. And the fact that it happened in a stadium where they were playing INDOOR baseball makes it sacrilegious.

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  61. on October 16, 2009 at 2:22 pm Cannon's Canon

    #4 is perhaps the most damning innuendo, but least confirmation of beta.

    #3 is disgusting and offensive. as per my usual over-evaluation, i suspect that a “man” posing as a man on feministing is actually a pansexual multi-genderous sapiens, aka a fat dyke with a dick sewn over her bulbous, untouched pussy. we moan together in horror, but there was no real intercourse that could have ever existed. there is a variable absent from the label “schroedinger’s john”

    #2 … wow, like a satanist stealing by force a few brief outcries from a calvinist pulpit. if not respect, i do acknowledge his plunge into the undertow. johnny utah wouldn’t surf out there.

    #1 … i am still laughing at you. die scumbag. you are an utter waste of life. your genes will not propagate. don’t check the boxes for organ donation: the science of your flesh is flawed.

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  62. on October 16, 2009 at 2:22 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea but the fact that she said no means that he didn’t do gun prenump or any other kind. That is the worste. He didn’t already know. That should be one situation that is rigged.

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  63. on October 16, 2009 at 2:22 pm ATC

    Roissy said:
    Does a beta shit in his pants?

    AA=IBS. Play through the pain and the cramps, or go home.

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  64. on October 16, 2009 at 2:23 pm gunslingergregi

    Before getting married especially in us you should have already talked about every fucking situation you can think of happening and what is to be done.

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  65. on October 16, 2009 at 2:24 pm Roosh

    But is he confident (and perhaps alpha) for proposing in front of thousands?

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  66. on October 16, 2009 at 2:24 pm abe

    Number 1 looks fake. Observe the moment when she slaps him. There is a brief moment when his natural reaction to the slap ends and his acting takes over. Just watch it — he pauses flinching and then continues, as if he was prepared for the slap.

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  67. on October 16, 2009 at 2:34 pm askjoe

    Awesome quote
    “Why pay a woman to talk?”

    Succinctly sums up the stupid of that beta. But this isn’t stupid SWPL of the month, is it.

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  68. on October 16, 2009 at 2:35 pm Karl Smith

    I agree #1 looks a little odd. I just assumed it was because he hadn’t planned this well.

    Here was the scenario in my head

    HER: “Is this for real”

    HIM: “This is for real”

    HER: “I always wanted it to be special”

    HIM: “This is special. TWINS ROCK”

    HER: Twins Rock? Thats what you say during your proposal. SMACK

    [editor: lol. if he said that he would save himself from BOTM contention.]

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  69. on October 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm askjoe

    I briefly thought number 1 was fake but where’s the payoff? What’s the punchline? oh, a slap and the girl runs off. whoopee.

    Advice for public proposals: don’t propose until the girl’s begged you for two years. and do it at an event she actually likes. If you are going to propose and you aren’t sure, I am willing to bet that adding public humiliation to the encounter won’t be the little extra oomph that puts her heart over the line.

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  70. on October 16, 2009 at 2:41 pm boru

    Your humiliation means nothing to snow cone guy!

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  71. on October 16, 2009 at 2:42 pm abe

    But why would she slap him? Even if she didn’t intend to marry him and was repulsed, slapping him makes no sense, ever as irrational female behavior.

    The payoff, asjoe, is the spectacle itself, the drama of the moment. And just look at the way she storms of. Faaaaaaaaaake.

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  72. on October 16, 2009 at 2:42 pm maurice

    all these betas should be gathered together for an awesome comedy reality show on the STD network, er, VH1. “Beta Academy” vice “Tool Academy” or “beauty and the geek.” just imagine the great nasty things a Simon Cowell type could comment on in a voiceover…

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  73. on October 16, 2009 at 2:43 pm ASDF

    The big question here is “which is worse; To be a sad sack or a traitor?” The proposal video was the most cringe-inducing, but number 2 struck me as more evil.

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  74. on October 16, 2009 at 2:45 pm AholeInTraining

    ASDF: #3 combines both qualities into 1.

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  75. on October 16, 2009 at 2:45 pm Master Dogen

    Man, roissy, why you got to make these so hard?

    All four deserve a vote. I voted for hooker-bitch, only because I have a special contempt for people who not only lack balls, but then go around graciously displaying their lack of balls in verbal form, on a feminist site, no less. “Behold my castration… is it not a sweet and lambent dove?”

    Brutal.

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  76. on October 16, 2009 at 2:47 pm bob

    im alpha mother fuckas. IM THE ALPHA MOTHER FUCKA. ALL you beta bitches eat my SHIT. i said eat my SHIT.

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  77. on October 16, 2009 at 2:47 pm bob

    #4.

    wife is retarded.

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  78. on October 16, 2009 at 2:52 pm lurker

    I once had a girl I was dating tell me that if I tried to propose to her at a baseball game on the big screen, she would say no and slap me. So this woman’s reaction isn’t that far fetched.

    Bitches get off on embarassing men, especially when the man puts them on the spot to make them look good.

    Oh, and I was not planning on nor ever did propose to her. 1) She told me that; 2) feminist. But I did get her back for her planning-to-embarass-me-plan: her roommate sucks a good cock.

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  79. on October 16, 2009 at 2:55 pm MB in PA

    #1 is just a big old douche. Definitely a lesser beta but I’m sure his situation has happened a number of times.

    #3 Your local sociology department is chock full of men like him. He’s a completely run of the mill pseudo-intellectual beta.

    #4 Not enough information. Our hatred for the woman in question can’t be fairly ascribed to her husband. A true BOTM candidate would “lovingly support” her relationship.

    That leaves…#3

    Men that openly attack their own interests in this way are despicable.

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  80. on October 16, 2009 at 2:56 pm MB in PA

    *That leaves…#2

    Correction.

    Fucking typoed

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  81. on October 16, 2009 at 2:58 pm Master Dogen

    Also… lolled at [editor: the woodpecker had red, black, and white feathers, so it was a multicultural woodpecker that was raping the tree. does this cause you cognitive dissonance?]

    Biting Beaver please keep posting. You seem to bring out a little extra jalapeño in Roissy’s comebacks. It makes for really enjoyable reading. You’re the perfect troll. Kudos.

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  82. on October 16, 2009 at 3:01 pm Willard Libby

    roissy how many times are you going to fall for these fake marriage proposal rejections?

    #1 is transparently fake, enough already.

    Has there EVER been one that wasn’t fake?

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  83. on October 16, 2009 at 3:03 pm KingLeonidas

    OK. well the first one is fake

    I have to go with the feministing letter-writer, what a cringe-worthy eunuch. As roissy points out, if the feminists are calling you a “nice guy” predator despite saying all the “right” things. Then. You. Just. Don’t. Get. It.

    Richard Ramirez lovers quote is priceless. Dudes, if your girl “friends” describe you as a “nice” or “good” or “likable” guy then you have failed. You should be loved and lusted by women, never liked. In fact you shouldn’t “LIKE” anything. Your only emotions just be love, hate, or dispassion

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  84. on October 16, 2009 at 3:04 pm Lee

    too many choices

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  85. on October 16, 2009 at 3:11 pm spunk

    I would go for the current least popular choice: Mr Orlando the author.

    The other three are merely caricatures of a real man. Chatting with prostitutes and not doing anything else is eccentric. Nerd proposed because he didn’t know any better. Tolerating wife’s inmate fetish is weak and probably cowardice(don’t mess with a felon). All three are SYMPTOMS of beta-tude.

    The author, on the other hand, ADVOCATES beta-tude, tainting the minds of the impressionable. He makes a living by toeing the feminist line like an obedient puppy. He is an outrage and a disgrace.

    And yes, it’s amazing that Mr Orlando happens to be a man. You simply couldn’t tell by just reading the things he wrote. It’s like Rick Astley with a black man’s voice.

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  86. on October 16, 2009 at 3:13 pm Doug1

    It was between 1 and 4. I didn’t have much trouble voting for #4. Mostly because I wanted to make an object lesson of him.

    Numbers 2 & 3 are fembot males. They’ve bought feminist ideology hook line and sinker. Yeah that’s terrible for men, and it does cast them into greater betatude. Further it encourages other men to go into greater betatude. But we talk about that here all the time. There’s nothing new to learn about here in other words. Well except maybe that if you’re gonna pay a hooker for sex, at least get the sex instead of getting her LJBF talk from an exalted position of denying you even while PAID by you, cause she isn’t feeling it. But that does happen all the time I’m told. Yuck.

    Guy #1 on the other hand has totally bought into the chivalric romantic myths of Hollywood and earlier romantic novels etc. Proposing at all is questionable for reasons I’ve repeatedly said. You’re gonna tell me that chump has a prenup that financially mimics living together, or close?* No. Doing so when you aren’t absolutely sure of the answer is beta squared. btw, if a woman ever answers a proposal by saying she’s honored but will have to think about it, the alpha thing to do then would be to say “I see.” Long pause. “In that case I don’t have to think about it. My mistake. Withdrawn.” Then get up and leave. (Any man is a fool to marry a woman, especially these days, who has doubts. Can you say she’s settling, as in REALLY settling in her mind, much?

    Deluding himself into thinking that the “moral pressure” of all those people watching or that an American entitled woman would feel honor bound by his humiliation to say yes or at least not obviously say no in front of them is, well, deluded.

    Note how the girlfriend he proposed to herself is clearly so “past all that”. What part of the Hollywood romantic script (or a classic movies one anyway, anything is possible these days) is it to feel entitled to slap a man who’s knelt on one knee before an audience of thousands, when he’s done nothing more than propose and stroke her arm. (Which yes is very beta in this context. He should feel completely sure of himself.) Well he has also whispered something in her ear. I’d guess about how she can’t turn him down now that he’s done that in front of all those people. Yeah I can see why she’d be mad. But to slap him with that huge audience is to feel an incredible sense of socially backed female entitlement. She’s not wrong of course. Such is the state of our culture now.

    Guy #4 is married. He has every moral right in even the sorry state of our feminist culture to put his foot down and demand that his wife cease these visits and that correspondence. (For you manginas and feminists. Try flipping the script. How many wives would hesitate at all about doing so if their husband was doing the same with a beautiful and notorious femme fetale in prision, which would be the equivalent.)

    Yet I can see why this husband didn’t feel unambiguously in the right to do so. The “they’re just letters and he’s locked up for years” defense. And so on. Well he is unambiguously in the right. Of course he should have none of it and do just as Roissy suggests. As well, there’s a pretty good chance it would work, and that after a period she would lose her infatuation and actually rediscover some respect and attraction for her sacking up husband. Depending of course on how badly beta he’d otherwise descended to. Especially if she hasn’t actually had conjugal visits with the notorious serial killer. (Most or all states that allow them do require that the parties be married to each other.)

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  87. on October 16, 2009 at 3:16 pm Willard Libby

    I voted for #4 because he not only tolerates the abuse toward himself from his wife but also because he allows this freak to insult all of Ramirez’ victims and their families.

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  88. on October 16, 2009 at 3:17 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    For all the fun you guys make of “Biting Beaver”, the real biting beaver was one of the major inspirations for my blog. She spoke to my heart.

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  89. on October 16, 2009 at 3:17 pm Sebastian Flyte

    Butters learns pimp-asshole game squared in the latest south park episode.
    http://sps13e09.blogspot.com/

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  90. on October 16, 2009 at 3:18 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    This BOTM is the hardest so far. I’m going with 4, but the others are pretty serious candidates.

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  91. on October 16, 2009 at 3:24 pm Lexington Green

    Marc with a c can be badass.

    Ex. A — Col. Marc Bigeard.

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  92. on October 16, 2009 at 3:32 pm gig

    I am unable to vote in this BOTM. I cannot chose a beta. Roissy should open the multiple voting option

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  93. on October 16, 2009 at 3:34 pm Harry Flashman

    #1 probably just doesn’t know about Game and alphatude. He’s a passive beta.

    #2 & #3 are dipshit betas trying to cater to cunts. I figured my choice would be between the two of them, with the guy doing the most damage being the book writer, but being a former, I wanted to beat into the ground the Iraq vet, since I’m one myself. But . . .

    #4 is the most beta. He’s married and allows his wife to possibly fuck and be absorbed with a serial killer. I was young kid in Southern California when Ramirez was committing his crimes, and it freaked me out. We were even shown the police sketch in school and told to watch out. FUCK THAT MOTHERFUCKING HUSBAND. He should shot his wife, then himself.

    ~ Flashman

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  94. on October 16, 2009 at 3:40 pm gig

    biting beaver´s woodpecker castration of Roissy was among the funniest comments I have ever read here, together with an hilarious description of gig´s household, also by BB, in which gig´s dad bangs gig´s sister among other things

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  95. on October 16, 2009 at 3:40 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    #1 gets the win. Forget about preselection – as a result of this video, that guy is going to suffer pre-REJECTION for the rest of his life.

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  96. on October 16, 2009 at 3:40 pm Trouble

    1 seems fake so, for me, he’s out the running.

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  97. on October 16, 2009 at 3:42 pm The Stay at Home Voter

    What, Will Wilkinson isn’t a choice in this poll? What kind of a beta poll is this?

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  98. on October 16, 2009 at 3:48 pm Dreamer

    There must have been a reason for the slap in #1. Who knows the couple’s history or the motivation behind the man’s proposal?

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  99. on October 16, 2009 at 3:56 pm Carl Sagan

    btw, I think vid 1 is totally fake.

    It’s been done before.

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  100. on October 16, 2009 at 4:04 pm Spackle

    The self proclaimed “Male Feminist” wins hands down. And the piece de resistance is him then trying to pick up a feminist to chat with over Cosmos. That my friends is a class A pussy. How can this “guy” even justify his existence when he wakes up in the morning? He probably drones on endlessly about being brought up by a “Strong single mother”. Ugh. My throat is sore from barfing so much.

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  101. on October 16, 2009 at 4:09 pm Dick

    Strong field. I think #3 wins by virtue of the fact that any of the others could have some “excuse”.

    #1, if not faked, was just getting embarrassed by making a bad call. Yes, marriage is bad, and making “larger than life” proposals is dorky, but it’s not unheard of.

    #2 could be mind-fuck feminist game (again, doubtful, but could be).

    #4 could have some weird dom/sub or other freaky psych/sex shit going on. Unlikely, but theoretically possible.

    #3, on the other hand – there is simply no scenario whatsoever where it would be acceptable to pay a hooker to not have sex with you. Maybe not pay her once you find out she’s a hooker rather than a pick-up. Or talk to a hooker for a bit then say “bye, I don’t pay for it”. But to pay a hooker (who fucks for pay) and then not fuck her? To me, that is off-tha-chartz pansy boy wuss douchebaggery. Which may or may not actually be “beta” depending on one’s precise definition… But then throwing in the feminist dogma apologia at the end? Ugh!

    I actually think he might be beyond betatude and into clinical low-T driven psychosis, if there is such a thing. I mean, who would go into a Best Buy and pay the salesman $1000 to talk about the nice big plasma TV for an hour? I mean, it’s beyond your everyday neurotic wussiness and into a land of geniunely unfathomably fuckedupitude.

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  102. on October 16, 2009 at 4:18 pm Lucifer

    Four fine specimens of white males.. no wonder you guys are so fucked.

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  103. on October 16, 2009 at 4:23 pm Mhoram

    propose to her (obviously, if you actually wanna marry her) ONLY after she has been sweetly and relentlessly ‘hinting’ about marrying you months beforehand.

    That’s a good point. What man is so anxious to get married that he proposes before she’s at least dropped a hint or two? (An insecure beta, I guess.) You don’t have to wait until she gives you an ultimatum, but if she’s in love with you, she’ll bring up marriage soon enough and you won’t have to guess.

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  104. on October 16, 2009 at 4:27 pm Lucifer

    Did you notice one common thread in the lives of pathetic men:

    They think that being nice, rational and fair to women will get their approval.

    Why do you require approval from creatures that are delusional and self-centered?

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  105. on October 16, 2009 at 4:34 pm sfer

    This is a funny proposal prank:

    It could be fake too.

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  106. on October 16, 2009 at 4:47 pm Kick a Bitch

    wow, just wow… i sincerely hope every one of these guys is linked to this blog and realizes just how fucking retarded they are.

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  107. on October 16, 2009 at 4:51 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Back when I was a musician, a mentor of mine mentioned how one of the consequences of understanding music is developing an acute sensitivity to what you hear. The downside of being able to more deeply appreciate good music is that anything subpar will drive you absolutely crazy.

    Learning the fundamentals of game and alpha/beta power dynamics is having the same effect. But not just with the most over-the-top BOTM examples, either. The everyday sight of a man who has no control of his relationship, or the guy that has no clue how to interact with girls despite having everything else going for him, that’s what makes you lower your head in equal parts pity and disgust.

    Anybody else have thoughts on this?

    L-Dub, I too have experienced this exact same thing.

    Great observation.

    As for the contest…although I submitted #2, I have to vote for #4.

    The dude is aware his wife is sending 20 love letters a week to the freaking Night Crawler?

    That she visited him at the Penitentiary? That she publicly expressed the thrills she got from getting to know ‘such a dangerous man?’

    And he’s still around, tolerating this?

    This is a new low in married man beta-tude.

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  108. on October 16, 2009 at 5:06 pm Brad

    The husband of the serial killer. Hands down BOTM.

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  109. on October 16, 2009 at 5:15 pm Tinderbox

    I’m not crazy about any of these candidates, but #3 Hooker Donahue wins by default.

    “One slap and you’re out” (candidate # 1) looks like a performance for Internet. A real dork probably would have followed her as she ran off, not sat there doing the head-in-hands theatrics for the cameras.

    I’m not sure what to make of pig blog boy (candidate # 2), but his website was too boring to try to figure it out.

    Serial killer sloppy seconds (candidate # 4) was presented entirely as a secondhand claim by the mentally ill wife. There are no direct quotes from the alleged husband so we don’t know if he actually disapproves or even knows about it. She might not even be married, but instead have a house full of black cats.

    Hooker Donahue (candidate # 3) generated real disgust in me for his phoniness. The guy must not have believed his luck when the hot chick went up to his room with him. Dude, you met someone out of your league in an Atlantic City hotel bar. Hello? Then instead of shrugging and going through with it, he wanted to prove his moral superiority by paying her not for her time but conditional on playing along with his fantasy of being the next Norman Mailer. He wrote the post only for some kind of credit (whether feminist credit or “oooh-I-consorted-with-the-underworld” credit I don’t know, but he failed at both), not because he gives a shit about sex workers. If he wanted to support that sex worker then he would have banged her and paid her, or just tipped her for the mistaken identity and sent her back downstairs.

    The liberal preaching disgusts me most of all. He’s too virtuous to bang a hooker (although he was ready to bang the same strange girl if it was free), but lectures that we should non-judgmentally support sex workers for the life choices they make. Incoherent. His article would have been worth reading if he’d described in nauseating detail doing her six ways from Sunday, and only afterward recited the social justice pap smear.

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  110. on October 16, 2009 at 5:19 pm Lucifer

    I think #4 is the worst, but #3 deserves a special place in BOTM hell.

    Regulars on this blog will understand why # 3 enrages me.

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  111. on October 16, 2009 at 5:37 pm novaseeker

    I’m going to go with #1, assuming it’s not faked.

    #2 got pissed at me when I castigated him on my blog a while back, so maybe he’ll turn up here, too.

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  112. on October 16, 2009 at 5:39 pm Chuck

    #4 hands-down.

    i think #1 is a hoax. why did she slap him? either she was really embarassed or she felt offended by his proposal. maybe they had been dating for 5 years and she was annoyed that he chose a game to do it at. i don’t know. him proposing in front of other people is *gay* but it’s not the most beta behavior of the candidates.

    #2 and #3 are just liberally-minded lads who are trying to get in women’s good graces by harping about their issues. #2 for me isn’t so bad because i realize that men do shitty things in relationships as well. however, i wouldn’t write a book about it and place the blame on our heads. it takes two to tango.

    this leaves 4. that shit sickens me.

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  113. on October 16, 2009 at 5:43 pm z

    Forgive me if someone has mentioned this, but what is so “beta” about beta number one is that he was attempting to pressure the woman into saying yes to his proposal by arranging for the proposal to be broadcast on the large diamondvision screen at the sporting venue for tens of thousands of others to see. For her to say no, she becomes the “bad guy”.

    In other words, he was “using her goodness against her” in order to force her to do something she didn’t want to do. This is how many women operate. Its not the dominion of men. By the time a man officially “asks” a woman to marry him, it should already be a foregone conclusion anyway. Both of you should have talked about spending your lives together and having a family with each other by that point anyway. You should already know she wants for the two of you to be married. Attempting to pressure her by using members of your/her family or friends just tells me that its A) way too early in the relationship, or B) she’s just not in love with you and would never be——so keep fucking her while both of you look for someone else.

    On Richard Ramierez:

    Im going to channel Whiskey somewhat here. What is SO FUCKING DISGUSTING LADIES IS THAT WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG MEN IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN RIGHT NOW WHO WOULD AND COULD BEAT SKINNY-ASSED RICHARD TO DEATH AT THEIR LEISURE with little trouble at all. The “Night Stalker” isn’t “feared” by real men. He was a creep who snuck up on people and got the drop on them with a weapon. Real men would make mince-meat out of his skinny ass in a room armed with their fists, knees, feet, and teeth in a real fight-to-the-death. They’d enjoy beating him to death . Idolizing a creep like a serial killer is the worst-sort of anti-social behavior. I hope every one of these women winds up with a truly abusive wife-beating/mind-fucking husband. They deserve it.

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  114. on October 16, 2009 at 6:02 pm z

    I’d like to illustrate my point about Ramirez by using a “male” example:

    This is Debra Lafave, http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/08/images/lafave300.jpg

    She is beautiful. 100% of men alive would fuck her and enjoy it barring relgious foibles prohibiting them from doing so. It would be a shame to see her beauty removed from the gene pool.

    However, if Debra Lafave was convicted of not merely having sex with a underage kid, but was instead convicted of murdering in cold blood 10 people, most of whom she didn’t know and just snuck up on and shot or stabbed, MEN would be all for her electrocution and would throw the switch themselves. They would not be lining up for conjugal visits with her and taking about “being in love” with her. Just imagine in Ramirez looked like this guy:

    If Ramirez was that beautiful, there would probably be a line around the penetinterary of woman lined up to fuck him in “conjugal” visits.

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  115. on October 16, 2009 at 6:06 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    I looked up some pics of Richard Ramirez. Shit, that is one insanely good looking man.

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  116. on October 16, 2009 at 6:21 pm joel

    Dear Z,

    Attitude is everything. Those thousands of men in Iraq/Afghanistan wouldn’t kill innocents for pleasure. So, they wouldn’t be attractive.

    The female mind is sick.

    BTW, I voted #1. Plain vanilla beta, and obnoxious. The others are all special cases, and #2 and #3 could be gamin’. #4 is likely trapped by marriage laws. Involuntary betatude. Not his fault.

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  117. on October 16, 2009 at 6:21 pm Evzone

    You don’t pay a hooker for sex. You pay her to leave after.

    That said…I voted for #4, but #3 was pretty damn close. Frankly all of these people are tools; natural selection sure is working slow these days.

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  118. on October 16, 2009 at 6:21 pm I_Affe

    As a Twins fan it reflects poorly on the awesome Twins that such an event took place in the Metrodome. Why’d she slap him instead of just saying no and leaving? That doesn’t make sense. Is the video a fake?

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  119. on October 16, 2009 at 6:51 pm z

    Here is Richard Ramirez’s resume (what he did to get the punishment he is recieving):

    Richard Ramirez career started in June 1984 when he broke into a house and raped then killed a 79 year old woman, Jennie Vincow, in a suburb of L.A.
    In February of 1985 he abducted two girls in separate incidents. The first was a six year old girl, taken from a bus stop near her school in a laundry bag, then molested and dumped at a nearby location. Two weeks later Richard took another girl, a nine year old, from her bedroom and raped, then dumped her, nearby.
    On March 17 Ramirez was described by the survivor of the first “Valley Intruder” attack. Dayle Okazaki was murdered and her roommate, Maria Hernandez, was badly injured. While leaving the scene of this first killing Ramirez dragged Tsa Lian Yu from her car and proceeded to shoot her several times. Lian Yu was pronounced dead the next day.
    Richard Ramirez seemed so impressed with these attacks that he abducted another young girl 2 days later, raping her repeatedly before allowing her to leave, in what would seem like a celebration of the earlier attacks.
    March 27 : The Zazzara murders. Ramirez beat 64-year-old Vincent Zazzara to death, then stabs his wife, Maxine ,44, to death. Ramirez proceeded to carve out her eyes and take them with him. The bodies were found two days later by their son.
    On May 14 Ramirez broke into another house and killed the owner, William Doi, with a bullet to the head. Doi was able to make it to a phone first though, not allowing enough time for Ramirez to get his wife.
    Just two weeks later, on May 29, Ramirez had some fun with an 84-year-old, Mabel Bell, and 81-year-old, Florence Lang(an invalid). Ramirez violently beat them and then scratched satanic symbols over them, and their house. The two were not found until June 2. Bell died on July 15, but Lang survived the attack.
    On June 27 Patty Higgins had her throat cut, dying, in another “stalker” attack in her own home. And on July 2, Mary Cannon,77, was killed in similar style. Cannon lived less than two miles from Higgins.
    July 7, Joyce Nelson, 61, was beaten to death at her home.
    On July 20 Ramirez decided to do a double. First off he killed Chainarong Khovanath, 32, then beat and raped his wife. Not content with that he took their 8-year-old son into the next room with a bottle of baby oil. Mrs. Khovanath was forced to listen as Ramirez raped him, then he stole about $30,000 in cash and jewellery. Ramirez then drove to a neighbouring suburb and murdered Max Kneiding, 69, and his wife Lela, 66. The couple didn’t even have time to get out of their bed.
    On August 6 Ramirez screwed up and left both his victims wounded. Christopher Peterson,38, and his wife Virginia, 27, where able to give a description of their attacker, which matched that of all other survivors.
    August 8, Ramirez strikes again. He kills Elyas Abowath, 35, shooting him then brutally beating his wife. It is after this attack that police announce that they are after a serial killer, linking six of the murders. The press dub Ramirez as “The Night Stalker”.
    On August 17 Ramirez struck in San Francisco, his first attack outside L.A., killing the amusingly named Peter Pan, 66, and badly beating and then shooting his wife. She survived her wounds and identified the ‘stalker’ from police sketches taken from the earlier survivors.
    August 24, Ramirez wounds Bill Carns, 29, with three bullets to the head. He then raped Carn’s fiancee, Inez Erickson, twice. As Ramirez drove away Erickson seen his car. It was an orange Toyota station wagon. A local teenager also noticed the car and it’s driver. He took down then number plate and gave it to police. The end was near.
    On August 30 police found the car abandoned. From it they lifted a single finger print. Ramirez was identified. They issued a APB for Ramirez and his mug shots were shown on national TV.
    The next day Ramirez’s picture was on the cover of every major newspaper in the state, and on every TV news bulletin. Ramirez had no idea of this until he walked into a liquor store and seen himself staring at him from that days newspaper. Ramirez panicked as other customers realised that it was him. He ran 2 miles in the next 12 minutes, then decided to steal a car. Unfortunately for Ramirez he was in a particularly tough neighbourhood and ended up being rescue by the police as he was being beaten badly by the local thugs. The ‘Night Stalker’ was caught.

    I’d like to add that Ramirez famously said, “Hail Satan” when he was convicted and held up the palm of his hand toward the jury with a pentagram drawn on it. He killed little old people and little children. He molested and killed a six-year old girl for Chrissakes. He beat one 84 year old to death with his wife and scrawled satanic symbols all over their bodies. He slit a 77 year old womans throat in her home. He did much more if you read what I pasted in the paragraph above. AND THATS WHAT WE KNOW about. There is no telling what he might have gotten away with besides that. The fact that such a creature has “groupies” says much about how right Roissy is about some women.

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  120. on October 16, 2009 at 7:00 pm joel

    How about it FeministX, might this be your Mr. Right?

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  121. on October 16, 2009 at 7:15 pm Chris G

    I was the “Chris” who submitted number 3. I added an initial just to clear up confusion with other Chris dudes on this page.

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  122. on October 16, 2009 at 7:30 pm gunslingergregi

    z yea this dude has a couple issues. Change beaten by the local thugs to local men and you might have some interesting shit there.

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  123. on October 16, 2009 at 7:32 pm gunslingergregi

    Shit like that could be stopped a lot quicker if people would just carry guns. So if the husband is getting his throat cut the wife is blowing the dudes brains out or vice versa. Or the kid is blowing the fucktard away.

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  124. on October 16, 2009 at 7:43 pm feminstX.blogspot.com

    joel, he’s not quite my type, personality-wise.

    Some woman married him while he was in jail. I wonder if they are still married.

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  125. on October 16, 2009 at 7:46 pm Tupac Chopra

    joel, he’s not quite my type, personality-wise.

    Ah, but you could chaaaange him.

    Don’t you women enjoy a good “project”?

    I’m sure you’d enjoy the sex while it lasted anyway.

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  126. on October 16, 2009 at 7:51 pm feminstX.blogspot.com

    “I’m sure you’d enjoy the sex while it lasted anyway.”

    I’ve never nailed a dummy. I have an aversion to it. But if I had to fuck anyone with an IQ under 100, Richard Ramirez at his physical prime wouldn’t exactly be my last choice.

    And yes, chances are, I would enjoy it. If only there was some guarentee that I wouldn’t be killed or seriously maimed in the process. 600 fetishes. Snuff is not one of them.

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  127. on October 16, 2009 at 7:54 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””I wonder if they are still married.”””’

    Shes thinking about it. Go get drunk and try to forget quick.

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  128. on October 16, 2009 at 8:01 pm BillWallace

    #1 good chance it’s fake.

    #2 decent chance there’s some sort of angle.

    #3 Give the Marc’s a break. I’m a Mark and glad to be so, but I’ve found that Marc is usually just a frog thing.

    That said, I think this guy wins. He’s a just a massive failure all around. Removes his cock and balls and presents them as an offering to the feminists and they turn it down! That’s worse than the ugly fat chick who can’t get anyone to accept her blowjob at the 3am end of a frat party.

    #4 as others have said, not enough information.

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  129. on October 16, 2009 at 8:01 pm Howie Feltersnatch

    The YouTube video is an obvious fake: they’re acting.

    Fail.

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  130. on October 16, 2009 at 8:10 pm Horatio Sanchez

    I chose #3. The first guy had some balls to propose there, even if they were soon snipped off in a very public way. Number two, not even close really; just another Dr. Phil-esque huckster who might not even believe what he’s saying (it’s more revealing/damning that women will lap up the shit he’s dropping on them, though).

    Now, #4, that’s obviously a bad situation. But we have to consider that he might be risking divorce here if he tries to put a leash on his irredeemably insane woman. With those damaged goods, the relationship is probably lost either way. We also need more details; perhaps he’s biding his time to plan an escape, attempting to minimize divorce theft. On the other hand, maybe he’s bending over for his wife every night after she bakes some cookies for the serial killer.

    Anyways, strike one with #3: he’s a self-proclaimed male feminist. It sounds wrong just to say those words together. Strike #2: paying a whore to talk. Strike #3: posting this on Facial Pissing in a transparent attempt to white knight and get a date out of it. Pathetic – and you’re outta there!

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  131. on October 16, 2009 at 8:22 pm Horatio Sanchez

    By the way, what do you guys think about women who have a stated interest in serial killers? I don’t mean sending letters and shit, but being drawn to the subject. I bet the gina tingle is a factor in the majority of these cases. I know one personally and it wouldn’t surprise me (she’s also a shrink, so try to figure that one out); she has a self-proclaimed interest in “bad boys” too.

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  132. on October 16, 2009 at 8:23 pm Tinderbox

    @z
    That bastard killed Peter Pan??

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  133. on October 16, 2009 at 8:35 pm joel

    Dear Horatio,

    Thuggery is one form of game. Girls love big, dangerous men. Educational status doesn’t matter (the woman’s). The only thing special about women who pursue such men openly is their honesty.

    There is a reason why guys like Roissy seem amoral (Hell. He is amoral.) He specializes in navigating the amoral world of women. That has got to take a lot out of you, and only numerous conquests could possibly compensate him for what he does.

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  134. on October 16, 2009 at 8:36 pm Tinderbox

    @Tupac
    I don’t think the serial killer groupies expect their love to change the man, so much as they just get the gina tingle from such an animalistic id, as Horatio pointed out.

    It’s more typical for a beta guy to be the one to believe in that fantasy, to be a “knight in shining armor” and unrealistically expect the power of his love to change a lying conniving whore into a rescued princess. He thinks that he’s the first decent guy she’s been with and he’ll show her what true love is and she’ll be in his debt, when in reality all the bitch really wants is yet another set of balls to string up and use as a necklace.

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  135. on October 16, 2009 at 8:48 pm lurker

    Chuck, if you scroll up, you can see my response: I once dated a girl who threatened to do that.

    She could be one of those chicks who gets off on embarassing men in public. Or else she is extremely attention averse and lashed out impulsively at the man bringing incredibley unwanted attention on her.

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  136. on October 16, 2009 at 8:54 pm masterblaster

    #3 is the winner.

    #1 looks staged.
    #2 is run-of-the-mill chickenshit supplicant.
    #4 doesn’t provide enough evidence to decide. He could be trapped by marriage laws, in divorce proceedings, or could be fucking some PYT on the side.
    #3 wins because he had attractive, ready, and willing poon in front of him and didn’t listen to his dick. He could have called the hooker up for an interview if he was looking for journalism fodder. Instead, he drops a fat chunk of change on the bitch AND TALKS TO HER ABOUT HER FEELINGS. HER FEELINGS. INSTEAD OF GETTING HIS DICK WET. AND HE IS A SELF-PROCLAIMED FEMINIST. AAAGGGHH

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  137. on October 16, 2009 at 8:55 pm el chief

    When BOTM Candidate #3 says

    “I am currently in Orlando”

    Does he mean the city, or BOTM Candidate #2?

    BOTM #1 is just an average schlub, trying his best

    BOTM #2 is just a brainwashed fag

    BOTM #3 is a very brainwashed fag

    BOTM #4 is an incredibly pathetic ubermega, and needs to be beaten. My vote is for #4

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  138. on October 16, 2009 at 8:56 pm Lupo

    1) I liked how she elbowed away his creepy hand caresses on her arm. Dork.
    2) A pathetic imbecile
    3) Completely bonkers and insane. Why didn’t this clown get some sense beat into him in Basic Training? I know: because they all hold hands and sing kumbaya now.
    4) Is a toad, but he has the option of getting divorced.

    It’s obvious 3 had his nuts blown off in the war. Seriously.

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  139. on October 16, 2009 at 9:09 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””September 15, 2009 4:54 PM[44+] Marc replied to allieb87 :
    Who the hell are you to tell whether my friends on Facebook are feminists or not? That most of them are classmates from Women’s Studies programs, and those I’ve been involved in feminist activism doesn’t make them feminists at all.

    Drop the attitude and better-than-thou belief. You’re not.

    If you want to talk feminism in terms of theoy, fine. But at the moment, you’re neither doing that or contributing anything positive.
    ””””””
    Wow yea wtf was that.

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  140. on October 16, 2009 at 9:10 pm Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

    The beta fag who paid for pussy and didn’t get it. Dude, you PAID for it and didn’t get it.

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  141. on October 16, 2009 at 9:20 pm Jack

    feministx, how do you know his IQ is below 100?

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  142. on October 16, 2009 at 9:56 pm Anonymous

    Any man who writes a book to preach his feminist point of view to the world is the most dangerous kind of mangina. So, I picked #2.

    The man proposing in the arena is simply a misguided idiot with no principles. As for the man playing games with the hooker, who knows, but he’ll either end up in jail or killed. And as for the husband, again he’s in his own hell.

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  143. on October 16, 2009 at 10:01 pm unlearning genius

    @Roissy,
    Where do you pick these specimens man? The sad part really is this is the rule and not the exception.

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  144. on October 16, 2009 at 10:03 pm Coppa Feel

    This was one of the most difficult decisions I’ve ever had to make. I ended up voting for the shoulder stroking fag, but only because he buried his face in his hands afterwards. That gave him the edge.

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  145. on October 16, 2009 at 10:07 pm unlearning genius

    @femX,

    “And yes, chances are, I would enjoy it. If only there was some guarentee that I wouldn’t be killed or seriously maimed in the process. 600 fetishes. Snuff is not one of them. ”

    why do i get a sense that you are a barking but not a biting bitch.

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  146. on October 16, 2009 at 10:13 pm Erika Awakening

    I didn’t vote yet.

    This post made me feel like finding an alpha and getting laid.

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  147. on October 16, 2009 at 10:34 pm Herb Dregs

    RE: Amish gina tingles.

    I saw two teenage Amish girls in the bookstore speaking German. They were looking at the _Twilight_ table.

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  148. on October 16, 2009 at 10:48 pm Herb Dregs

    Have you ever written up Biting Beaver’s dudes as BOTM?

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  149. on October 16, 2009 at 10:51 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I actually feel bad for #1. He was a fool to take such a risk in front of the camera, and to have such pathetic body language.

    But he did not deserve this humiliation. The woman could simply have said no, rather than slap him.

    I wonder what her future marriage prospects are, in the few remaining years before she faces her Wile E. Coyote moment?

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  150. on October 16, 2009 at 10:56 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I suppose #1 could press charges for assault, no?

    But he would be too Beta/pedestalizing to do it…

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  151. on October 17, 2009 at 1:00 am Breeze

    @ Roissy

    Damn Marc started me thinking, having such a pussy name and all. You should do a biggest beta of history competition.

    I nominate Marcus Aurelius for giving his balls to Cleopatra.

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  152. on October 17, 2009 at 1:18 am DT

    #2 because he’s a beta disease trying desperately to infect others.

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  153. on October 17, 2009 at 1:30 am mike

    @Erika Awakening

    Happy Ending?

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  154. on October 17, 2009 at 2:15 am Master Dogen

    I nominate Marcus Aurelius for giving his balls to Cleopatra.

    You mean Marcus Antoninus/Mark Antony. Aurelius was the emperor/philosopher. Antoninus was the lover/general.

    Actually, here’s a post on just that topic, Breeze.

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  155. on October 17, 2009 at 3:01 am msexceptiontotherule

    The guy who proposed and was rejected is just sad, and his girlfriend should have at the very least let him save face, leaned in really close to whisper that she didn’t want to publically humiliate him, so she was going to pretend to say yes and they’d have a talk about things later – proposing at a baseball game probably came into the guy’s head after he saw Jimmy Fallon in that movie where he was an obsessed baseball fan with Drew Barrymore as his love interest.

    Death Row inmates in California are not allowed to have conjugal visits.

    ….However, non-death row inmates in the states listed below are permitted to participate *if* they have met certain requirements as well as the person who will be visiting them has been screened without any problems – in conjugal visitation programs, also known as the Extended Family Visit. THe states where this is permitted are: California, Connecticut, Mississippi, New Mexico, New York, Washington and South Dakota. In California, as part of the 2005 legislation that required state agencies to allow domestic partnerships the same rights as heterosexual couples, gay inmates are allowed to have conjugal visits.

    Ramirez has been married since 1996, and supposedly his wife who was 41 at that time, is a virgin and will be staying that way – at least as far as being with her husband goes -since California does not permit conjugal visits from anyone for death row inmates. She’s supposed to have an IQ of 152 and is agnostic, so her lack of religious beliefs are not in conflict with Ramirez’s satan-worship. Crazy bitches. I can’t imagine one woman wanting to be with a serial killer – although it certainly changes the whole persepective on what the portion of the vows saying “till death do they part” is. And Ramirez’s wife wasn’t the only one competing for that stinky freak, she just happens to have been the one who he decided on, and he even proposed marriage to her himself. I’d rather be a crazy animal hoarder than with a serial killer.

    And the guy who claims to be a feminist and then pays the hooker for talking to him must have discovered that by playing along with the whole “I totally support the feminist cause!” schtick gets him sex. Yeah, it’s sex with unshaven legged and underarmed women who yell at guys for telling them that they’re controlled by their hormones and how different the world will be when they finally rid humankind of all male patriarchal oppression, but it’s still sex. Perhaps he’s found a group of females who have no problem with his sexual proclivities and appreciates how easy it is to get them into the sack with only a brief period of time spent proclaiming his understanding the problem of society and detests those who disrespect women.

    I’m having a hard time choosing. Dammit.

    But anyway…women are only treated disrespectfully by men (some, not all men) when they allow it. They allow it when they allow all men’s opinions to matter and mean something.

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  156. on October 17, 2009 at 3:07 am lurker

    msexceptiontotherule, people propose at sporting events all the time; it isn’t just following Jimmy Fallon (a true beta bitch, btw).

    Poor name, btw. All women think they’re the exception to the rule, but evryone who thinks that falls directly within its parameters. Sorry, you’ are not a special snowflake; you’re just part of the same snowdrift.

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  157. on October 17, 2009 at 3:22 am msexceptiontotherule

    lurker: exactly.

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  158. on October 17, 2009 at 3:25 am Puma

    I voted for the guy who wrote the book. Traitor to his own kind.

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  159. on October 17, 2009 at 7:58 am kalliope

    I’ve got to go with my gut here…

    #1 is truly pathetic (if real), but I wouldn’t classify it as pathological beta as much as one really massive dumb mistake. I can’t fathom how a man could misread a situation so badly, but guaranteed he won’t do it again. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the “wake up call” he needed to stop putting bitchy, mediocre women on pedestals.

    #2 is a lot closer to beta, but I suspect this guy is more of a huckster trying to make a quick buck off the Mars/Venus crap chick lit trend. The “advice” on his blog is such oily, calculated Dr. Phil sleaze it’s hard to believe he means it.

    #4 overshoots beta by a mile and lands squarely in the Twilight Zone. Your wife is carrying on with the freaking Night Stalker and publicly praising him, and all you can do is quietly disapprove? There’s either a weird kink, an undiagnosed mental illness or some other complicating factor going on.

    Which leaves us with #3, the horrific personification of the smarmy, passive aggressive, self-righteous “nice guy” beta. Something about the phrase “talked about her life, choices and perspectives” in particular makes my skin crawl, like he’s writing a cloying personal ad disguised as a college admissions essay. I actually feel sorry for the hooker for having to sit through his boring pontifications on how much he ‘respects’ her ‘life choices’. Roissy has it right: you know you’re pure stank beta when even the feminists are grossed out by your attempts to placate them.

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  160. on October 17, 2009 at 8:46 am Gil

    I’ll have to go with #4 because of the evil slant. >:)

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  161. on October 17, 2009 at 8:57 am Breeze

    @ Master Dogen: Thanks for correcting me. I can’t believe I got those two confused.

    I read your post a while ago on Antony and Cleopatra and went and bought a copy of it from a second hand book sale. I just haven’t had time to read it.

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  162. on October 17, 2009 at 12:18 pm Fuck Your Alpha

    you faggots need to stop nutswinging off of every female poster on this blog. act like you been there.

    anyhow, number one has to be faked, it’s just too perfect to be real.

    that guy who wrote for men’s fitness is the biggest beta (another fucking queer word) out of the pack.

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  163. on October 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm vicmackey

    tough call between #3 and #4. I’ll go for #4. He should have just killed the bitch and joined Ramirez in prison. Then rape him too.

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  164. on October 17, 2009 at 12:46 pm Ardesio

    Here’s one for you keepers-up with HBD, from Charles Murray’s blog. This will be sweet news to Roissy in his biology-trumps-ideology incarnation:

    “…THE LEAST EFFICACIOUS TEAMS…ARE GOING TO BE ONES IN WHICH WOMEN SUPERVISE MEN.”

    ****************
    [Murray]
    It must be nice to be as smart—as prescient—as Harvard’s E.O. Wilson. In 1998, he published a book called Consilience telling us that 21st-century social science would be increasingly driven by the findings of the hard sciences. We are already living out his predictions. Look at this example from the forthcoming issue of Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes:

    “Testosterone-status mismatch lowers collective efficacy in groups: Evidence from a slope-as-predictor multilevel structural equation model”

    Michael Zyphur, Jayanth Narayanan, Gerald Koh & David Koh

    Abstract: [I’ve cut it out here — Murray sums it up below]

    …The effect of the mismatch between testosterone and status was large after controlling for gender. You can’t blame gender socialization for these results. Biology is at work. But it is also true that men have about three times as much salivary testosterone as women, on average. So if the authors’ findings hold up and if they extend from the experimental situation to the real world (both very big “ifs”), the least efficacious teams, ceteris paribus, are going to be ones in which women supervise men.

    The “ifs” are important. We’re still taking baby steps in linking biology with behavior, and it will be a while before we can extrapolate confidently from the bits and pieces we are learning. But the pace of new work is accelerating. So far, I’d say that about nine out of ten of the new bits and pieces are politically incorrect. The next few decades are going to be lots of fun.

    *****************

    Here’s the newly-rediscovered wheel in question: NOBODY LIKES WOMEN BOSSES.

    See here for the full post:

    http://blog.american.com/?p=2575

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  165. on October 17, 2009 at 12:46 pm GT

    #3 smelled of passive aggressive nice guyness but I voted for #4 based on personal experience.

    In my case it wasn’t the exwife that was screwing a criminal, it was her daughter. The exwife supported her daughter, as did her grandmother. It was sick. On second thought maybe my exwife was being screwed by this criminal behind my back but I’ll never know and I don’t care now.

    That mess opened my eyes as to how truly amoral women are. Roissy only reinforces the lesson.

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  166. on October 17, 2009 at 12:50 pm Dick For Sale!

    Balls MUST GO!! Hurry in and get a nice used dick and a good set of balls!Yep. I am getting rid of my “junk”. I do NOT want to be in the same sex as these idiots in the Beta of the Month award contest!I am going to become a neuter! Enough is enough! Maybe I’ll drop a line to Chaz Bono,I hear she’s looking for a good used dick. Wait-Roissy is still out there holding these beta buffoons,and their dirtbag bitches up to well-deserved ridicule…maybe I’ll hang in there!

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  167. on October 17, 2009 at 1:05 pm Ardesio

    “THE LEAST EFFICACIOUS TEAMS… ARE GOING TO BE ONES IN WHICH WOMEN SUPERVISE MEN.”

    Here’s some new HBD research, passed on to us by Charles Murray:

    http://blog.american.com/?p=2575

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  168. on October 17, 2009 at 1:18 pm Racer X

    Erika,

    I would be more than happy to fulfill your desire to get laid.

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  169. on October 17, 2009 at 1:19 pm Local Fembot

    A non-Roissy interpretation:

    #1 might be a great guy, but lacks common sense. Obviously you discuss this with the girl ahead of time and make sure her answer is “yes” before you risk public humiliation. But it just seems like a silly mistake. You ain’t human if you haven’t fallen in love with someone who doesn’t love you back.

    #2 seems to not be a very serious person — I’ve never had much respect for self-help peddlers — but all his platitudes are true, if obvious. Of course women don’t have sex the same way as porn stars, and shouldn’t — mainstream porn is directed towards a male audience and designed to reflect a stylized version of men’s tastes. Of course cheating is a choice — notice that he doesn’t say it’s the right choice, but rather, “if you make promises, stick to them.” It’s all standard psychology talk about how to build relationships.

    #3 is a creep. “Sex workers are people too”? This is news? The commenters are right; he seems to want a pat on the back for his magnanimity in treating the escort like a human being, when in fact that’s the bare minimum. And what the hell was that naked plea for female companionship at the end?

    #4 is probably the most fucked up. I can’t even imagine being in a relationship so dysfunctional that both partners are comfortable with the wife’s having a voyeuristic affair with a serial killer. Of course I think she’s the blameworthy one, but his acquiescence is so bizarre that I think he’d have to be the winner.

    I do think this beta/alpha business is nonsense. My guy is sweet and upright and there’s no way I’d prefer being with some sort of thug.

    But you can’t respect people who don’t respect themselves, and 3 doesn’t, and 4 really, really doesn’t.

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  170. on October 17, 2009 at 2:49 pm Ardesio

    Sorry for quasi double post above, the first one vanished into the space between Space, or so I thought. Anyway, Charles Murray has lots of other interesting things to blog about, so check it out. You all remember Charles Murray, right? Co-author of The Bell Curve?

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  171. on October 17, 2009 at 3:13 pm kalliope

    Crap, I’ve been watching serial killer interviews on YouTube for 2 hours now because of this blog (originally got there because I didn’t know who the Night Stalker was.) I’ll admit some are weirdly fascinating, if only in a “what the hell is wrong with him” sense. I don’t get the sex appeal AT ALL though.

    I think the percentage of women attracted to serial killers is small. You’ve got to be kind of sick yourself to select for men with probable frontal lobe damage and no impulse control.

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  172. on October 17, 2009 at 4:36 pm Karl Smith

    Local Fembot –

    “I do think this beta/alpha business is nonsense. My guy is sweet and upright and there’s no way I’d prefer being with some sort of thug.”

    I don’t doubt it, but its really not the question. The question is are you turned on by confident aggressive men. Would your guy turn you on more if he upped his Knight Shinning Armor quotient?

    Of course tough guy is associated in your mind with all sorts of things you don’t want. Just like lots of men might be turned on by women who look like a porn star but “porn star” is associated with stuff they don’t want.

    However, if you could get confidence and aggressiveness without the other would you want it? Thats the possibility that “Game” is offering.

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  173. on October 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm Karl Smith

    “THE LEAST EFFICACIOUS TEAMS…ARE GOING TO BE ONES IN WHICH WOMEN SUPERVISE MEN”

    I’m not sure thats what the study is saying, at least based on Murray’s summary. In the language of PUA community it is saying the least effective teams are going to be those where the betas supervise the alphas.

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  174. on October 17, 2009 at 6:01 pm Anonymous

    She wanted a bad boy – and now she has to go Phantom of the Opera.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1221077/My-identity-I-knew-gone-The-acid-attack-victim-bravely-shows-face.html

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  175. on October 17, 2009 at 6:36 pm Lucifer

    Anonymous,

    But she did get what she wanted- excitement and feelings of power over a sociopathic man.

    Unfortunately (for her), she also got the consequences.

    I doubt whether she would have even cared about a guy who was not bad.

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  176. on October 17, 2009 at 6:44 pm Peter

    Wow. It’s the UK. The epicenter of Western degeneration and race-destruction. What else to expect. White slut. I feel zero pity or sympathy for her. Guess what race is the boyfriend who threw the acid in her face. Heh, just scroll down.

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  177. on October 17, 2009 at 7:06 pm XCite

    Unrelated Roissy, but thought you would like:

    TED Talk

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  178. on October 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm Clarence

    z:

    Thanks for that bio on Ramirez. Despite the horrible things I wish on him, I almost wish he could reach out between those bars and strangle that worthless bitch. There is nothing at all to admire about such a killer. I was shocked by the sheer volume, brutality, and bravado of his attacks – he makes the other serial killers I’ve read about seem tame in comparison even Mr Dahmer. I suppose there’s some obscure way in which that increases his gina tingling factor. Guess I”ll go rape and kill old men and women and kill little babies and kids too. Might get me some gina tingles.

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  179. on October 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm Clarence

    In case anyone is worried, the previous post ends very sarcastically. What the hell is wrong with people?

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  180. on October 17, 2009 at 7:19 pm Local Fembot

    Karl —
    of course confidence and assertiveness is appealing. My boyfriend has it, and I like it.

    I think it’s on a sort of continuum: a turn-on if a basically good guy plays “manly,” a turn-off if he’s aggressive to the point of being an asshole all the time. Obviously a serial killer is far, far off the deep end.

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  181. on October 17, 2009 at 7:57 pm Lucifer

    An observation:

    Many escorts (somewhere between 30% and 50%) are quite receptive to getting a good bare bottom spanking between ‘shots’.

    I noticed this because most escorts try to convey that they do not like anything other than a few smacks on the butt. However, if you are not seen as a pathetic or pyscho customer, many escorts actually enjoy it.

    They might even ask you for one on a repeat visit.

    Important caveat- As long as it does not cut, bleed or turn blue. The number of women who are willing to take a spanking that stings and is somewhat humiliating is much larger than most women-worshippers who believe.

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  182. on October 17, 2009 at 8:08 pm Jim Peterson

    Another fascinating post and comments.

    I agree 1 was probably faked because it is part of our new Youtube culture to fake exactly that. #4 may have no longer been attracted to his wife. Can’t give him the award w/out more info.

    I will explain why 2 and 3 don’t deserve the win either:

    Where the Hell are you guys on Twitter? Alphas are supposed to know where the movers and shakers are and INFLUENCE them to do as the alphas want. I am following US Republican Senators on Twitter and they are largely following me back (quite a few are not or have unfollowed however).

    Only a Beta would fail to take advantage of the collapse of the old media while letting Feminists and Beta Traitors garner all the Twitter and Facebook status readers, thus preserving the choke-hold they got when only Betas could be journalists because of the low pay.

    Twitter is where the traffic is…in terms of new people finding out ideas exist because they’ve subscribed to real time search results for phrases like feminism or #TCOT (conservatives on Twitter) or #p2 (liberals on Twitter) or #PUA or the best #SGP (Smart Girl Politics – Fake Female Republicans leading beta Republican males along by the nose).

    Get yourself a Twitter account and ask Roissy to at least use his account to point at his posts. You all and Roissy also need to follow everyone who follows people you agree with as well as everyone who popular “conservative” Twitters follow.

    Regarding #2 and #3: THESE GUYS SUCCEED IN TAKING OUR RIGHTS. Who’s the Beta here? YOU THE READER ARE.

    So if you think the Prostitute guy is a beta: His thinking got IMBRA passed in Congress. You have to know that YOU no longer have the right to say hello to a foreign woman because the IMBRA law got Republican support because of right wing feminists (Catholics especially) who actually took the comments of guys like this to swerve Congress (mainly with the help of Sam Brownback) toward unanimous protection of foreign women from “Sex Trafficking” or “Human Trafficking” which they said the Marriage Broker Business (officially defined as online dating sites with less US women than foreigners) is all about.

    The lower federal courts have agreed that US Citizens do not have a fundamental right to talk to foreigners and that “Meeting a woman online is like buying a gun – both should require background checks”

    When some Jackass talks about whores being “trafficked”…you MUST know that this kind of talk will be heard in a Congressional hearing NEXT WEEK where guys like you and me will not be allowed and where we will not even know the hearing is taking place.

    Then a new law taking our rights to meet women will be made.

    Right now, Congress is about to hear a feminist lawyer talk about how IMBRA needs to be strengthened to force men to actually tell the truth on their honor system background checks. Federal perjury charges for not telling a Russian woman, before you say hello, every state you ever lived in.

    This is not a joke guys. WE are the Betas for allowing this. I would agree with Biting Beaver that, without Roissy helping arrange the easy court challenge to VAWA or IMBRA and other laws, these amusing posts and comments really do appear to be so much whining and gnashing of teeth. You don’t win by commenting here unless this is just a breeding ground for a REAL MOVEMENT that takes over the new media and browbeats both US political parties into following OUR line of thought. That is what being an Alpha has always been about: Grabbing the power.

    This blog thinks micro. I think macro. I don’t care about bragging about how I scored the best looking woman in the room last night. I do care about organizing men to conduct federal court challenges which would only cost $25K and I know we could win with our arguments if we only tried (nobody of any competence has made a serious attempt to challenge a feminist law on the federal level).

    Can you name 1 US Senator who agrees with Roissy?

    Why should that be so? Ten years ago, you could have found at least 20 Republican senators + Ted Kennedy agreeing to keep anti-sex feminists in their place.

    Alpha males will directly call US Senators out on Twitter. By putting a hashtag # in your post, you will have equal access to the public that they have and that media outlets have.

    By the way: There is nothing wrong with dry humping the thigh of any woman who might have a yeast infection or HPV. I save actual intercourse for virgins or 10s (preferably someone who is both). But that’s just probably because I attract religious virgins for some strange reason. Where #3 was wrong was that he did not even opt for the thigh option, before he went into ideology that has already taken away my right to say hi to Russian women.

    Further: In one case a taxi driver, without my permission, sent a heroin addict 19 year old prostitute to my hotel room (one can tell by the eyes and that she was a physical mess – not sexy at all) and I was immediately struck with the need to tell her to stop using drugs and get her life together. So I actually did do what that guy did: I paid her to talk with her – but of course I would have done the thigh thing if she was sexually appealing. #3 gets beta because he says he was attracted to the prostitute he talked with but held off on his own desire (his interest) because of some insane Marxist ideology. By paying I sent her the strong message that I cared about her as much as the jackass taxi driver who was feeding her the drugs…which isn’t saying much unfortunately but could have helped get through to her. And, no, while she won’t remember me as a chump, I wouldn’t bet I got her to turn herself off the heroine. But you never know. She was, after all, acting on her own free will. She was not his slave. He was not a trafficker. That is what I paid her to find out I guess. An alpha isn’t going to let betas traffic women against their will. I called the FBI on a real slave den once.

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  183. on October 17, 2009 at 8:08 pm Lucifer

    It is also worth noting that escorts who enjoy getting spanked are much more fun than those who don’t. I have noticed a similar pattern in non- escorts where the ones who were fun were far more open to stuff like that.

    Even escorts don’t like customers who fall in love with them, though they may play along to use the guy.

    You can get the maximum mileage from an escort if you are seen as fun, attentive but a bit nuts. Rings a bell, doesn’t it?

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  184. on October 17, 2009 at 8:13 pm almost 40 year old virgin

    Well, they´re all whores. So any man not treating them like that, deserves beta of the month.

    But it takes a special kind of deranged whoredom to go for scum like the cunt in 4.

    4 clearly wins. Especially if he deludes himself into thinking his wifey wouldn´t spread them for her serial satanist.

    All you men voluntarily wanting to deal with these creatures have me sincere HaHa.

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  185. on October 17, 2009 at 8:16 pm Lucifer

    Jim,

    we are not gonna have a functional version of the current political-legal setup in less than a decade, so who cares.

    Law enforcement requires lots of money, especially in our current setup. I see it as a resource parasite that is busy destroying it’s host. The status quo created through the last 60 odd years cannot hold.

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  186. on October 17, 2009 at 8:45 pm Jim Peterson

    Lucifer,

    I agree but part of the reason feminism will collapse in the next 10 years is because guys like me are on Twitter and other Web 2.0 outlets while newspapers, magazines and TV go out of business.

    http://www.Twitter.com/VeteransAbroad is considered by influence measurement sites to be the #1 most influential site for the keyword “feminism”. That is saying a lot about what one person can do now that the MSM is dying fast.

    And I am most hated, not by woman, but by amateur Twitter males who consider themselves influential for the keyword “Libertarian” or “Conservative”, not to mention the two or three lib males who proudly call themselves feminists.

    Any one of you good commenters here could quickly become an influential Conservative, Libertarian or “Pro-Sex Democrat” who could, in his spare time, give major grief to those who thought their point of view would forever block out our point of view.

    I enjoy frying the brains of idiot males who think that feminism is “on the right side of history”.

    There are about 25 people on Twitter discussing men’s rights. We can get critical mass with a dozen more and some more coordination…such as in humiliating any male who disagrees with one of us because he wants women to like him.

    I have more followers now than most of them and any of you can follow my followers to gain a quick 1000 followers for yourself if you say interesting stuff, like linking to Roissy’s posts, which is what I do often.

    Homeland Security is now tasked with bringing to trial 3 dating sites for not complying with IMBRA…they won’t name which 3 but they do say they have 2 foreign women in “safe houses” who say they were introduced to US males with domestic violence DV backgrounds without the dating site having conducted a background check before they said hello.

    DHS now has specific feminists I can name who have taken key positions. I know lower echelon govt men, who fear for their jobs, do not think IMBRA is Constitutional, but will they block the leaders? I think they will behave like cowards and do nothing. Or they will post a few things on http://www.OnlineDatingRights.com. The 3 dating sites attacked will probably belong to incompetent fools who won’t cooperate with experts like myself and others. The fed DA will appoint a hot looking Russian woman lawyer to argue that US men are predators of innocent Russian women.

    And after losing the sites will be charged $25,000 fines which will never be paid.

    But other sites will start complying with IMBRA because defying tyranny will no longer make business sense.

    And we lose our rights most when these laws are complied with to avoid hassle.

    Enforcement, therefore, is not the issue. Cowardice in the face of the threat of enforcement is.

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  187. on October 17, 2009 at 9:14 pm joel

    That girl who got acid in her face. So nice she didn’t get anybody else hurt, like, get someone in her family killed by her sociopathic boyfriend, you know, a brother or mother, who might have intervened to protect her.

    I think if there had been no acid attack, she would very likely have gone back to him. I could see her lying to protect him if he had been charged with the rape. I could see her rejecting her family for him.

    I suspect she would forgive his killing a member of her family if they tried to separate them, but, throwing acid into her face, well, that’s just too much.

    Roissy, you who travels in the psychic world of libidinous females, have my respect and pity.

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  188. on October 17, 2009 at 10:23 pm Anonymous

    By Katherine Ramsland
    Who are They?
    Some people define serial killer groupies (SKGs) in narrow terms, such as women who fall in love with those killers who have been caught and are awaiting trial or are in prison. Other definitions include anyone, male or female, who shows some obsession with serial killers, to the point of extreme emotional attachment. It’s not always clear whether the phrase “serial killer groupie,” refers to people who just love the idea of a serial killer and would be aroused by any sort of contact, or more strictly to those who have become attached to a specific killer.

    In any event, serial killers prove to be magnets for some people, mostly (but not always) females, and experts have offered a variety of reasons why. Among them are:

    Rescue fantasies: the SKG wants to believe that she has the ability to change someone as cruel and powerful as a serial killer.
    Need to nurture: many women have said that they see the little boy in these killers and feel an overwhelming desire to nurture and protect that part of him.
    The perfect boyfriend: she knows where he is at all times, and while she can now claim that someone loves her, she does not have to endure the day-to-day issues of most relationships; she can keep the fantasy charged up for a long time.
    Need for drama: during the trial, the daily events in the lives of serial killers may attract women who want to get close to the adversarial atmosphere and the possibility that something surprising may occur.
    Hybristophilia: some people are sexually excited by others who commit violence
    Exclusivity: there’s a real sense of ownership of the facts about the killers—which confers its own special status—among those who feel intimately associated with them
    Regaining the lost male: some who have been abused, neglected or without a father figure look to the killer to fill that need
    Vicarious fantasies: some wish to live out their own visions of violence through a person who can actually act them out
    Low self-esteem: some women believe they cannot find a man and since men in prison are desperately lonely, it’s an easy way to get involved
    Attention: when they do something like get involved with a killer, people talk about them and often the media puts a spotlight on them
    Eminence: they evolve from Nobodies into Somebodies
    The chance to show their mettle: they align themselves against the world in a heated defense of their beloved
    Beauty and the Beast syndrome: they like the idea of getting close to danger that will probably not hurt them, but there’s always the slight chance
    Interestingly, many SKGs are educated and attractive. Some have money, and some are already married. Quite a few are mothers, and it’s often the case that they work in some related field, such as psychology or law enforcement.

    In Women Who Love Men Who Kill, Sheila Isenberg quotes psychiatrist Park Dietz on prison groupies: “I would be amazed if they weren’t among the neediest and most dependent of woman. As in the transference cure in psychoanalysis, the women are sucking up a part of the men’s ego and that gives them the illusion of being in control.”

    In other words, getting involved with violent men makes them feel stronger. They can then transcend feelings of vulnerability and poor self-appraisal. That much empowerment makes them feel more vital. Add the fantasy that they are truly loved or are being truly loving, and this connection can become an addictive drive.

    Isenberg also notes that a “large percentage were raised as Catholics and were severely affected by church teachings, including sexism, subjugation of women, and repressions of sexuality.” She also writes that their fathers were often missing, withdrawn, or abusive, and the mothers might have been demanding. Many of these serial killer groupies also had poor relationships or marriages.

    Such women devote themselves entirely to the man and make significant sacrifices, such as sitting for hours every week to await the brief face-to-face visit in prison. They may give up jobs or families to be near their true love, and they will most certainly be spending money on him — perhaps all they have. When the men are merely using them, they fail to recognize it.

    A few of these women are also attracted to the celebrity status they gain—even if there is some dubious quality to it. They like going on talk shows to proclaim their love, being interviewed, and being allowed the chance to insist that the convicted murderer got a raw deal, was not capable of those crimes, or is different now. They may even take credit for “reforming” him, as if their love was the magical ingredient.

    Demonic MalesRichard Wrangham and Dale Peterson wrote Demonic Males to examine the manner in which apes reveal much about the nature of violence in human beings. Men are the instigators of rape and war, as well as the gender most likely to be violent. They also analyzed the females of these species.

    As they observed the behaviors of orangutans, these scientists realized that the female primates preferred the larger, more aggressive males, the ones that were loud and showed clear markers of their maleness. The large males were always ready to fight other males, and females often approached them after hearing them in such struggles. The subsequent sexual encounters appeared to be willing and relaxed.

    Generalizing this to humans, and specifically to those women who feel compelled to be with or near serial killers, theorists have said that SKGs may be responding to the overt maleness of the man who has done the most brutal act imaginable. That is, they may be equating this sort of violence with masculine strength and then seeking it as a way to bring such a male into their lives, for protection and for producing offspring with a good chance for survival. Thus, they’re responding to a biological drive that they may not even be aware of.

    “Women’s evolved strategic responses to male demonism,” the authors state, “have included countermeasures and defiance, but they have also included collaboration. That is to say, while men have evolved to be demonic males.”

    They’re quick to point out that this does not mean that women in general prefer the most violent males in society, or that they like crime or criminals. It only means that the marks of aggressive males—the cluster of behaviors that show dominance and success–are attractive to many women, and they’ll quickly cleave to it.

    “In a twisted kind of way,” says Elliott Leyton in Hunting Humans, “the male who is the most strong and dominant—the most violent—will appear to be the most male.” The fascination among females with multiple murders that he had witnessed struck him as the most excessive he had ever seen.

    It isn’t difficult to find such men, either. Anne Kingston offers a selection of Web sites, from Writeaprisoner.com to Romantic Jailbabes.com. “Anti-death-penalty sites vie with Match.com,” she says, “as places for women to meet men.”

    And the man doesn’t have to be attractive. Henry Lee Lucas, a one-eyed serial killer who confessed to more than 300 murders, recanted, and confessed again, has had his share of female admirers. Despite his apparent sexual relationship with Ottis Toole, he’s nevertheless compelling to some women as a potential mate. (One woman even came up with a plot to free him by posing as his supposedly murdered former girlfriend.)

    John Wayne GacyOverweight, narcissistic and whiney, John Wayne Gacy, killer of 33 young men during homosexual encounters, married in prison as well.

    As we’ll see in the following examples, some women get exactly what they desire, although Isenberg insists that the “love” they believe they have is just an illusion.

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/s_k_groupies/4.html

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  189. on October 18, 2009 at 12:03 am Breeze

    @ Ardesio:

    I, and probably many others, predicted that the social sciences would be dependent on the advances in hard sciences.

    Glad to see someone has written a book about it. I’ll have to read it when I have a chance.

    Also, from those findings it says that the most effective teams are those ran by higher testosterone males. And that lesser males trying to run a team of higher testosterone males would not be very effective. And a team of men led by women would be even less effective.

    I wonder how this affects hiring? Or will affect future hiring once this knowledge begins to spread around those responsible for hiring policies?

    Are they likely to hire more beta males for teamwork positions and less alphas?
    Will this mean that only alpha males will be considered for leadership positions?

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  190. on October 18, 2009 at 12:36 am Celtic

    I’m going with #3.

    #1 is a beta whose problem isn’t extreme betaness, but extreme lack of common sense. He has at least a sliver of alphaness for having the girlfriend to begin with and having the balls to risk the humiliation.

    #2 is a disgusting cretin, but there’s no sign of him being a beta. He’s cashing in on women’s need to have their ego stroked.

    #4 we don’t have enough information about. Is he still getting sex from his wife? Is he cheating on his wife? Are their children involved? Is he at risk of severe divorce theft?

    At least he is disapproving, rather than being an “understanding” beta.

    #3 takes the cake here. His betaness is so entrenched it is become essential to who he is. A woman deceives him into thinking she likes him- and he reward her by PAYING her to tell him her story?

    Most betas suffer blue balls end up hearing their secret crushes whine about their lives. It’s classic to the beta experience to be used an emotional tampon.

    But this pathetic Marc pays for the privilege. That makes him beta of the month.

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  191. on October 18, 2009 at 12:37 am Gil

    Don’t all internet video that are too good to be true are alway fake? (Cue: ‘drive-by farting’ video.)

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  192. on October 18, 2009 at 1:20 am mr mike

    voted for #1 (it’s a tossup between 1 and 4, in my mind) #2 is illogical but we’re not judging them based on their ability to reason logically(otherwise aspies would win all the time) #3 is worse than 2 but not as bad as 1 or 4

    basically we’re judging 2 & 3 on that they SAID(wrote) and 1 and 4 on what they (and the chicks around them) DID. apples to oranges if you ask me

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  193. on October 18, 2009 at 2:20 am xsplat

    Xcite – the ted talk was fun, up until she talked about Masters and Johnson testing the up-suck hypothesis. Then I got irritated.

    i’m not sure why ignorance inflames my passion – I should expect it. But it grates.

    Masters and Johnson tested to see if female orgasms sucked up sperm higher into the vaginal canal – WITH CLITORAL ORGASMS.

    If you, the generic reader, can’t see the problem with that experiment, you too are horrendously ignorant.

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  194. on October 18, 2009 at 3:05 am Chuck

    xsplat:

    are you an upsuck theory proponent by saying that they shouldn’t have used clitoral orgasms to test their upsuck skepticism, or am i misinterpreting your comment?

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  195. on October 18, 2009 at 3:12 am xsplat

    Chuck, you are not so much misinterpreting as misunderstanding my point.

    I’m neither an upsuck proponent or skeptic. I’m pissed at the ignorance of the method used in the experiment.

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  196. on October 18, 2009 at 3:27 am Anonymous

    what are animals like this serial killer still doing alive? why are we giving them shelter and food and health care? spending MILLIONS on these scum i read. we should be doing the opposite. bringing back the rack, death by a thousand cuts, and other punishments for these particularly heinous crimes.

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  197. on October 18, 2009 at 4:27 am xsplat

    Anonymous, revenge is a natural human emotion, but don’t confuse that personal need with a deterrant. Some brain fucked folk aren’t worth the time to torture.

    I agree that they should simply be offed, though.

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  198. on October 18, 2009 at 5:58 am LINK

    Whoever thinks the video is fake is an idiot. It’s a woman, they don’t make logical decisions. She was pressured by him to make a decision, so of course she’d slap him. She’s mad. DUHHH!! Fuckin hell.

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  199. on October 18, 2009 at 11:24 am Cazzo Grosso

    OT, but our favorite little bêtes noires here at le château, “Man Jaw” Jessica Valenti and “Baby Dick Beta” Andrew Golis, have a nauseous, vomit inducing writeup in the New York Times about their wedding.

    Included in the piece are such gems as,

    “Here also was a woman that he found impossible to say “no” to — as he learned that night when she insisted he try the ceviche. “I soldiered on,” said Mr. Golis, who has always detested “fishy fish.”

    “They talked about the generational divide in the feminist movement. Ms. Valenti was impressed. “How many men are well versed in feminist politics?” Even more impressive: he held up his end of the conversation as the ceviche soured his stomach to the point of nausea.”

    “Mr. Golis, now 26, is almost five years younger than Ms. Valenti, and what she called “the age issue” bothered her. She said that when she offered to set him up with her younger sister, “he called me an ageist.””

    “They shared a cab from the restaurant, but he bolted as soon as they reached the apartment where he was staying, fearing that he might vomit. Ms. Valenti took it that he was playing hard to get — or that things had gone badly. In a telephone call to her sister that night she said, “I blew it with a cute guy.””

    “Ms. Valenti had wished for such a marriage, but said that until she met Mr. Golis, the first man whose politics and heart were in sync with hers, “I had stopped believing it existed.””

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  200. on October 18, 2009 at 12:40 pm Jim Peterson

    I thought from reading a previous thread that being Beta was OK, but this thread makes it clear (and I agree) that being Beta is not OK and I am noticing that some of you are catching on that Beta males are actually a threat to Alpha males in that they try to trip us up.

    This makes something I said in another thread even more important: If *any* of you think that men who date foreign women (feminists use the racist term Mail Order Bride to belittle the competition) are Beta males, then that might explain why there hasn’t been more action on this forum to get a challenge against IMBRA.

    If you define Alpha Male as the one who gets the best women in the environment that you are now in, I can see how you can get snowed over by the idea that any man who LEAVES that environment is definitely a Beta or Gamma.

    But this is a fallacy in that the most Alpha of males see the entire world as the environment. They see those males woh cannot afford to travel as the ones who are losing out…the betas and gammas.

    So a man making good money in San Francisco who leaves via SFO for SVO (Moscow) for a 4 day weekend…isn’t “missing out and chickening out on meeting chicks at North Beach” so much as meeting and dating Moscow State University coeds who are likely to be much better educated than anyone on the Berkeley or Stanford campus (maybe or maybe not).

    So when you add Slavic gorgeousness to high IQ and education + manners and dislike of US feminism, the man is satisfying the definition of having beat out other males to the best women in the environment.

    This means more Alphas need to be helping fight the US feminists who have passed a law and gotten the courts to say men do not have a fundamental right to say hi to Russian or other foreign women.

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  201. on October 18, 2009 at 5:12 pm Grendel

    Candidate #3

    He could have fucked the hell out of that worthless whore but he talked to her instead. I bet he cried when they hugged.

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  202. on October 18, 2009 at 7:41 pm djfrostfish

    Long time lurker, first time comment:

    All four are great candidates for BOTM. I narrow the selection of the winner down to the following criteria:

    if the wife in number 4 is merely writing letters and visiting the serial killer, and the husband is strongly registering his disapproval, then the winner is number 3, the guy who paid the hooker just to talk to her (didn’t even get a BJ for his trouble) That is just lame.

    On the other hand, (and I can’t imagine how this could be possible), if the wife of #4 is allowed to actually have sex with a murderous serial killer and all the husband does is “express his disapproval, then candidate #4 is the BOTM hands down. Any guy who would stay in a marriage where is wife is boinking a murdering is just beneath contempt. He isn’t a man, I can hardly think of him as even human. He is just a worm. If I found my wife was doing that, I would pack my bags, load my belongings in my truck and be barreling down the highway, leaving a note on refrigerator door: “You will hear from my lawyer soon, BITCH!” I would never talk to her again, not a single word, she has something to say, tell it to my lawyer.

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  203. on October 18, 2009 at 7:44 pm OneSTDV

    @ Roissy (Off topic):

    Can you add me to your blogroll?

    Thanks.

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  204. on October 18, 2009 at 9:15 pm Vegas Guy

    I have a good friend who is a Beta who lives in Las Vegas. He is about to graduate from Med School but hasn’t been laid in a long time.

    He has a lot of anger towards women that comes off during his interactions with them. He has read Double Your Dating by David D’Angelo but his negs are weak because they are seething with anger.

    My question is whether anyone has good advice for getting past his anger towards women?

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  205. on October 18, 2009 at 9:42 pm Lucifer

    Vegas Guy,

    Tell him to defect to the dark side (of human behavior).

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  206. on October 18, 2009 at 10:00 pm GT

    Vegas Guy,

    Does he realize his anger turns women off? Or is he blaming women for his inability to get laid and so now he is on his way to becoming another George Sodini?

    Does he dress like a doofus? Is he grossly overweight? What’s his history with women? What’s he doing other than reading DYD to get out and meet women? What are you doing to help him? We need more info to help him.

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  207. on October 18, 2009 at 10:23 pm Lucifer

    GT,

    VG’s friend has already crossed over to the dark side, even if he has realized it.

    Anger over unfair treatment is a natural response in any social species. For most of human history, we could get by with much more unfairness, because the ability (and probability) of a individual killing more than a few people was limited by technology.

    What makes the last 100 or 60 years different from any other time in human history is the destructive ability, both direct and indirect (neglect), of individuals is far larger if they so choose. We, as a species, cannot exist for any significant length of time unless we address the issue of ensuring that people have more to gain by cooperating with others, than crossing over to the dark side.

    To be blunt, only the possibility of personal profit can motivate humans to cooperate for any worthwhile length of time. Threats cannot ensure cooperation, otherwise no large empire would have ever collapsed.

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  208. on October 18, 2009 at 10:29 pm Lucifer

    GT,

    Sentences that doom civilization start with..

    “Nobody is entitled to..”

    or

    “You can only get..”

    It often starts with a small group, but eventually human greed ensures that more and more person are denied.

    It is hard to get people who see no gain from their existence do anything useful for people other than themselves.

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  209. on October 18, 2009 at 11:00 pm JB

    We’ll have sexbots within 10-15 years. That oughta solve the Sodini problem.

    (Of course in 25 years, we’ll have another financial crisis as the Sexbots for the Poor entitlement goes bust…)

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  210. on October 18, 2009 at 11:04 pm JB

    “My question is whether anyone has good advice for getting past his anger towards women?”

    Well, he has to (1) recognize and admit that he’s angry at women; (2) contemplate why he’s angry at women; (3) try and reframe his mindset towards women to incorporate more flexible emotional responses.

    It’s ok to be angry at women sometimes; if that’s your primary emotion in your interactions with them, you’re going to be a sad camper.

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  211. on October 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm JB

    “Anger over unfair treatment is a natural response in any social species.”

    Dude, you may not be aware of this, but only psychotics respond to unfair treatment with mass murder.

    And it’s kinda unproductive to structure society on the whims of the psychotic.

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  212. on October 18, 2009 at 11:19 pm unlearning genius

    @cazzo,

    “OT, but our favorite little bêtes noires here at le château, “Man Jaw” Jessica Valenti and “Baby Dick Beta” Andrew Golis, have a nauseous, vomit inducing writeup in the New York Times about their wedding.”

    I vomited at this. This is a sad sad affair that men have to shame themselves to smell the pussy of some worn out head-fucked bitch.

    @Jim peterson.
    I agree with you man. This whole IMBRA thing is just a power play by power hungry bitches. They insult men who get so called “mail order brides” as if these women are less human. They make prostitution illegal so that men have no recourse to sex other than to plead with a hypergamous woman. With legalized prostitution and free-market bridal hunting men will be once again free to focus on building civilizations and advancing our species .. They can do it now, but most men lack balls to not care too much about what other people say
    .. they can act all macho lifting some steel bar, but when it comes to having courage to choose their way, they will look around and follow the herd. Most men do not really enjoy dealing with women and gaming them, they are just into this “game” thing because of their herding instinct.

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  213. on October 18, 2009 at 11:24 pm JB

    This example of guys getting negging wrong is a perfect example of the gap in consciousness between master and disciple that plagues most spiritual movements, religions, etc.

    I think relative beginners shouldn’t neg — they don’t yet have the game to target 8s, 9s, and 10s anyway.

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  214. on October 18, 2009 at 11:25 pm Vegas Guy

    Thanks for the feedback on my friend. I will forward him the responses.

    On another note: I was with a girl last night at a bar who I had seen twice before. I met her at a party about a month ago and closed the deal with her at her place that night. I saw her again after that and we had sex again so last night was our 3rd “date”. She kind of dropped a bomb on me when were at the bar when she asked “How many girlfriends do you have?” I thought about trying the cocky-funny response but I was sure that she would not understand it because her English is not very good. So, I didn’t say anything and there was a long pause and she eventually moved on to another topic.

    How could I have handled this better?

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  215. on October 18, 2009 at 11:38 pm JB

    Well, if she doesn’t understand English, you form a quizzical expression and start counting on your fingers while silently mouthing numbers with your lips until she smacks you, then smile.

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  216. on October 19, 2009 at 1:21 am Anonymous

    Businesswoman wanted a little taste of the thug life – she ended ended up in the boot of her own car!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-515697/Football-coach-stabbed-businesswoman-death-carving-knife-date.html

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3490542.ece

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  217. on October 19, 2009 at 3:37 am Andy

    Death row inmates aren’t allowed to have conjugal visits. But yeah, still pretty bad.

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  218. on October 19, 2009 at 3:38 am Andy

    Also think # 1 is some sort of stunt.

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  219. on October 19, 2009 at 5:30 am xsplat

    Vegas

    On another note: I was with a girl last night at a bar who I had seen twice before. I met her at a party about a month ago and closed the deal with her at her place that night. I saw her again after that and we had sex again so last night was our 3rd “date”. She kind of dropped a bomb on me when were at the bar when she asked “How many girlfriends do you have?” I thought about trying the cocky-funny response but I was sure that she would not understand it because her English is not very good. So, I didn’t say anything and there was a long pause and she eventually moved on to another topic.

    How could I have handled this better?

    Whatever you say, don’t say it with the intention of saying something you expect she wants to hear. Don’t say it in order to get the response that you want from her.

    That’s the catch 22. If you try to say something you think will placate her, she’ll pick up on that. It’s not what you say that matters most. It’s how you feel about what you say. You could call that confidence, or mastery, or an expectation that your worldview is dominant and successful.

    You could say “none”, “a few”, “none tonight”, “just one right now”, it varies”, or “I’m a single man (which is true no matter how many girlfriends you have)”. The logical answer is not the most important part of the communication. The subtext is how you carry yourself. That you carry yourself for yourself, not as a person trying to give the right answer to a mere girl.

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  220. on October 19, 2009 at 5:40 am xsplat

    Bloody black hole moderation….

    Vegas:

    Whatever you say, don’t say it with the intention of saying something you expect she wants to hear. Don’t say it in order to get the response that you want from her.

    That’s the catch 22. If you try to say something you think will placate her, she’ll pick up on that. It’s not what you say that matters most. It’s how you feel about what you say. You could call that confidence, or mastery, or an expectation that your worldview is dominant and successful.

    You could say “none”, “a few”, “none tonight”, “just one right now”, it varies”, or “I’m a single man (which is true no matter how many girlfriends you have)”. The logical answer is not the most important part of the communication. The subtext is how you carry yourself. That you carry yourself for yourself, not as a person trying to give the right answer to a mere girl.

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  221. on October 19, 2009 at 6:07 am xsplat

    Vegas

    He has a lot of anger towards women that comes off during his interactions with them. He has read Double Your Dating by David D’Angelo but his negs are weak because they are seething with anger.

    My question is whether anyone has good advice for getting past his anger towards women?

    He’s asking for directions, but you can’t get there from here. He has to go somewhere else first and then get directions.

    Negging only works if you are enjoying yourself, and actually like who you are negging.

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  222. on October 19, 2009 at 6:13 am xsplat

    I vote for #3. He is putting himself forward as oh-so sensitive, as if that’s a good thing. it’s not, and he is clueless why.

    Being quite that respectful and sensitive is a turn off. It doesn’t make anyone happier.

    He’s not enlightened and thoughtful, he’s a doormat. He thinks it’s attractive to have no killer instinct, and therefore lacks any Machiavellian intelligence. Women don’t want a moral man, they want a man who appear moral when convenient to their family social status.

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  223. on October 19, 2009 at 6:15 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    xsplat, yeah, #3. Oh lord.

    As for this:

    If there are awesome feminists in the UCF/Orlando area, I’d love to be shown around or have a drink. Let me know!

    I wonder how he’d react if he received offers from several such “awesome feminists” … who turned out to be males just like him.

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  224. on October 19, 2009 at 12:46 pm MQ

    “My question is whether anyone has good advice for getting past his anger towards women?”

    LOL. Tell him not to read this website. Roissy has made me anger and resentment-driven because he shits all over me for being all the beta i can be, and his comments to me reflect that.

    The advice from commenters above is good, though: negs are banter and need an underlying good natured quality, enjoy yourself and the person you are bantering with.

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  225. on October 19, 2009 at 1:13 pm Bowwow

    The Evolution of the Mammalian Vagina

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  226. on October 19, 2009 at 1:21 pm xsplat

    Vegas, I’ll take another stab at “My question is whether anyone has good advice for getting past his anger towards women??”

    I’d suggest he lower his expections to the point where he is no longer dissapointed, and work on finding a ground of common interest to the point where he is no longer bored.

    If he can’t do that, he may as well pay for it, either through prostitution or marriage.

    I’d not suggest holding out for someone who meets his expectations or searching for the woman who meets his intellectual needs. Many men would suggest that, but I would not. You’ll become the better man through being versatile enough to slum it during dry spells. And learn more about human and women nature that way as well. Nothing teaches the soul of a woman more than cross cultural experiences of women – high class, middle, low, criminal class, Western, Middle Eastern, East, South, and South East Asian. If you come at them with your expecations, you will not meet your expectations, and will be frustrated.

    Drop the expectations as far as they have to go. Get over yourself and get over it. And find something fun to do.

    If he can manage that, he’ll get over his anger eventually, and that very skill is a personality trait women will find attractive. No one likes to be judged harshly. If you can find the inner whore of a woman more amusing than disgusting, you’ve come a long way towards appreciating women.

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  227. on October 19, 2009 at 8:03 pm joel

    Whew, that gal who got her throat cut up. Another close call for family members of a smart, liberated woman. The killer sounded so stupid. Like, dumb as dirt. Showing off the car to his family.

    She certainly was not going for a high IQ guy. Is it a wonder why some American white men only date Asians and Jews?

    Ladies (and men): This is why it is important to avoid stupid people. They do stupid things, things which can be so dumb and violent they exceed any rational expectation. This killer’s IQ must be in the 70’s. Mountain gorillas have IQ’s in the low 70’s.

    The woman got only herself killed,and the killer was put into jail. Justice served all around.

    You know, the author of the Darwin Awards is a woman, Wendy Northcutt. She constantly makes fun of men doing stupid things and removing themselves from the gene pool. She rarely has women winning a Darwin award, but, you know, this lady, and several others like her in England recently (Acid face, for example), are all excellent nominees for the Darwin Award. Maybe we should seen their names in.

    [editor: this is a good idea. i will start a series called “the miss darwin award”. it will prominently feature dumbasses who fall for violent dumb men.]

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  228. on October 19, 2009 at 8:08 pm joel

    About that young soon to be Vegas doctor.

    If he is angry at women, he is likely angry about his own short comings.

    Just tell him to get his life in order, shape up, be happy with himself, and, being a young doctor, he will have the girls chasing him about.

    Advise him NOT TO GET MARRIED until he is well into his 30’s, at the very earliest. A gold digger will certainly try to nail down that M.D. degree ASAP.

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  229. on October 19, 2009 at 11:09 pm MQ

    Roissy has made me anger and resentment-driven because he shits all over me for being all the beta i can be, and his comments to me reflect that.

    I’m getting to you, Roissy..you just can’t handle the truth. I do find it entertaining to watch you twist and turn and struggle with your resentment of women, though!

    [editor: hilarious! i can’t believe you came back to search through all these comments to see if i had answered or fucked around with yours. “i’m getting to you”… talk about projection! lol.]

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  230. on October 20, 2009 at 8:43 am gunslingergregi

    ”””’Vegas Guy,
    How could I have handled this better?””

    Tell the truth as long as it is you have other woman. She prob wouldn’t like it so much if you start out with just her.

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  231. on October 20, 2009 at 9:46 am Cliff Arroyo

    Number 1 seems totally, totally fake.

    Number 2, meh.

    Number 3, meh (plus a healthy does of laughing ridicule)

    Number 4, we have a winner.

    What’s especially awful about 4 is his passive acceptance of his wife’s attraction to evil (a concept I absolutely believe in). This guy isn’t tragic, or misunderstood, or need another chance or the love of a good woman, he can’t be changed or redeemed. The only option is to lock him up forever (or just kill him the way you kill a mad dog). He’s chosen evil. And so has his wife and he’s made it easy for her.

    Believe it or not, I’m usually a non-judgmental, whatever-works-for-you kind of guy. But not in cases of human filth like Ramirez or serial-killer groupies (who’s main regret is that they lack the courage to commit such overt evil two).

    And beta is the wrong term here. Married beta men are the foundation of civil society and you can’t have it without them. Alphas are too concerned with their own well-being to be good role models for anything but a kleptocratic society in moral free fall. Number 4 here is even less than omega.

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  232. on October 23, 2009 at 4:25 pm Q-Bot 3000

    As much as I would like to vote for #1, something about it screams SHENANIGANS to me. I can’t quite put my finger on it.

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  233. on October 29, 2009 at 9:26 am Common Yeast Infection Symptoms

    I did feel embarrased before but I need to get rid of it, and I did. I feel much confident now.

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  234. on November 6, 2009 at 4:18 pm October 2009 Beta Of The Month « Roissy in DC

    […] was a tight race, but the winner by a plurality of the September 2009 BOTM was the sad sack husband who is aware of and tolerates his wife’s repeatedly consorting with […]

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