Discount bin answer: Never.
Gamers’ Edition Bonus Pak answer: It depends.
I was at a small-ish film fest party for a guy who directed a couple of short documentaries. Crowd size: ~80-100 peeps, skewed toward women, most of whom were cute artsy scenesters who liked to wear woolen caps and scarves indoors. Because, you know, it might snow.
Three girls, all 7s, approached me and my friend to ask if we were “part of the creative scene”.
Clearly, a significant subculture of the residents are starving for the company of unconventional people who aren’t yuppie whores. And so, I give them that. I aim to please.
After a few minutes of light chit chat about my latest blockbuster mega-grossing film, I felt the energy of the set wane. They were slipping away. Girls are born with a self-entitlement region of the brain that causes them to assume all men were put on the earth to continually entertain them. This region is connected to the pussy through a single major nerve called the tingleginaceptor. When the pussy deteriorates through age, so does the entitlement region of the female brain. This is why many older women are so engaging in conversation; they have to be.
A player adept at seducing women knows to flip this entitlement script and demand entertainment from the women in his company. Game is the tool that helps with the script-flipping. But this time I ran no game. Instead, I let the chit chat dissipate, smiled warmly, and told them to enjoy the show.
I could’ve made fun of one of the girl’s scarves (“That scarf is all wrong on you”). I could’ve negged the hottest girl (“You look like the girl in the movie who got dumped by the guy. Are you her? Well, chin up”). I could’ve kinoed, isolated, made out. But I did none of these things. Why?
Because in certain specific contexts, I believe game can backfire. This was one of those times. A small, insular indie scene such as at a film screening, filled with people who likely are friends, or at least acquaintances, with everyone else in the room, and who have certain social codes that they follow and are only understood by themselves (e.g. don’t be a douchebag) are more apt to react suspiciously to game run on them by a relative outsider. (I do hang in the indie scene, but not this particular one.)
My spidey sense was telling me that had I negged one of the girls in the three set, it would have confused her. And not in a good way. Tightknit groups of people tend to want to feel newcomers out, to see if they’re cool, i.e. socially savvy. A neg right out of the gate might have tingled ginas, but it also ran the risk of emphasizing my outsider status. It’s best to demonstrate your in-group cred first before hitting them up with the thermonuclear love bomb of game. With very provincial groups, this getting-to-know-you process can sometimes require attendance at three or more events where you’ll see the same girls and they’ll have an opportunity to become comfortable with you. Blogger happy hours used to work this way.
There is a trade-off to every decision. The girl who interested me may not ever again go to one of these events. Or she may have been sufficiently bored by the non-game “normal” conversation between us to write me off as a future contender. If I had properly gamed her, I had a chance to initiate the short road to intimacy. But gaming her also posed the risk of stamping me persona non grata within the scene, possibly polluting my chances with other girls who knew my primary target peripherally.
Pickup is about experience. After enough time and practice, you’ll get a feel for these kinds of social riddles. But all in all, I prefer this rule of thumb —
Maxim #13: When in doubt, game.
Quite possibly your best maxim yet.
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first.
agreed- there’s a time and a place for everything, and social context and social circles have underappreciated importance.
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This is definitely wise for the small town and med-sized city. Where I live, everyone’s connected in some way. You want the good word to keep flowing, so I strive to simply be entertaining in situations like that, feel them out, then start the game.
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An important topic. Glad to see you address it.
Tightknit groups of people tend to want to feel newcomers out, to see if they’re cool, i.e. socially savvy.
True.
Game can never substitute for being socially savvy. In fact, I even wonder if it can be taught.
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other than my own words of wisdom,
this shall be my alternate quote
of the day
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Gaming in tight social circles has its own rules. It can also be tougher to get girls out alone that you will run into on a regular basis. In a bar, they may never see you again if you don’t agree to meet up, so they have to make their decision now. But if you’re in the same social circle, you’ll always be around to entertain her. Therefore you must master the art of the subtle takeaway and be seen talking to other girls. You need to create a buzz among the female members of the group.
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How would you differentiate between the choice not to game because of a concern over polluting the water on the one hand and an erosion of your inner game because of outsider status on the other?
That is, how do you correct for the tendency to spin the situation in a way that fits your self image.
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AFC Adam opens his sets with situational comfort and then breaks rapport to create attraction. At the beginning, all you need to be is interesting and non-woosy.
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Good point.
The Game required for a big mega club with wack bottle service (http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2007/07/bottle-service-america-s-nightlife.html), crap DJ and people wearing mall fashions from third world sweat shops is certainly different than Game in smaller, tighter environments.
I have been skewing toward the latter lately with excellent results.
This is one of the reasons why I always say I don’t neg as much as others do.
I can rely on my dashing good looks, room vibe mastery, custom suits and smoke breaks.
Hell, some of my custom suits I could throw on a mannequin in the middle of the room and girls would swarm.
Side note:
What the hell is a “Blogger happy hour”?
– MPM
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Good post. But to me, asking the question is akin to asking whether a Woman should or should not look good when heading out. The answer sould be obvious.
The Game is ON whenever you step outside your door. Look sharp, stay alert, and be prepared.
The Obsidian
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skewed toward women, most of whom were cute artsy scenesters who liked to wear woolen caps and scarves indoors
Also, I’ll bet most of the “bald eagles” had gone off to roost elsewhere, if you catch my drift.
Peter
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Wow, check out the schnoz on that jewboy on the right side of the pic.
Figures that he’d be there. jews will be attracted to anything related to the film industry like flies are to shit.
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absolutely. Don’t be needy. Maintain your frame. Especially with the nerd girls, you can neg their ideas about whatever nerd subject you’re sharing. Call it honest curiosity. Then break and pull it up later.
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From a previous post of R’s, I think what R recognized is that his game is predicated on anonymous urban environments, allowing him to swoop regularly without any social stigma attaching to him or the slut. In a tight knit group, the urban anonymity is gone, requiring him to act like a normal person.
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Seconded.
I want an official answer to counter rumors it’s crustless, cucumber sandwiches feasts for the spearhead guys.
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p.s. i’m pretty sure i know more or less what this was – there’s a guy in town who runs regular film showings/cocktail parties, and this is pretty certain to have been one of his events. my recollection is that it isn’t a fixed clique or group of people who always show up at these – hence roissy might have swooped with no harm and no foul.
my abbreviated comment above was intended to suggest that context, social setting and social circle are a lot more impoirtant to success and game than any of the community stuff suggests.
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From a previous post of R’s, I think what R recognized is that his game is predicated on anonymous urban environments, allowing him to swoop regularly without any social stigma attaching to him or the slut. In a tight knit group, the urban anonymity is gone, requiring him to act like a normal person.
Absolutely. The principles of game are always the same, but specific tactics that work in the bar won’t necessarily work in a social circle. That one of my oft repeated complaints about the Mystery Method book, brilliant as it is. It is really bar centric.
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June:
It’s interesting how Jews tend to do really well at film, though they tend to suck at any other visual art form.
P.S. Tone down the rhetoric.
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Good post. I absolutely hate it when I bring out a guy from the PUA scene who then immediately alienates himself from everyone in my social circle because he doesn’t understand that it is not always gametime. Everyone always has a friend who openly hits on every girl and no one likes having around because of this. When in doubt about whether to game or not, I say to not be so obvious and to feel the girl out as to whether she is opened to being gamed or not.
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newsie hat? Wifey tee? What was zeets wearing, spats? Are you skilled in sartorial camouflage? What made you choose these outfits? Or are you now a full-time hipster D-bag?
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http://dilidoo.com/2009/09/21/beauty_contest_in_las_vegas_you_will_not_believe_but_all_the_contestants_are_50_years_old_18_photos.html
Shiiiiit
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”””””G Manifesto,
Hell, some of my custom suits I could throw on a mannequin in the middle of the room and girls would swarm.””””
lol
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And that should be a maxim for how a wife irons the clothes maybe minus the bottle he he he
””””””They were slipping away. Girls are born with a self-entitlement region of the brain that causes them to assume all men were put on the earth to continually entertain them. This region is connected to the pussy through a single major nerve called the tingleginaceptor. When the pussy deteriorates through age, so does the entitlement region of the female brain. This is why many older women are so engaging in conversation; they have to be.””””””’
Yea ok this should be on some tshirt.
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Great post. Would have been even greater had I read this before a LS bootcamp a year and a half ago.
Game has it’s place. Dealing with small towns and mid-sized cities is a delicate maneuver. Or else it’s easy to cripple you status.
One of the most important (and hardest) lessons I’ve learned over the past year: knowing when to pull back is an integral part of the process of learning game.
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Halloween is going to be a great time to game! I even made a how-to guide on my page: http://www.easycomings.com/2009/10/halloween-costume-ideas.html
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She’s baaaack. Good old Kerry Howley. See here.
Bryan Caplan has a good roundup of the controversy over the new paper on female happiness. See here.
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One of my frustrations with the many game instructional products I’ve read is that they all focus on anonymous venues, such as clubs and malls. But, I spend most of my time at social-circle venues where people share a common interest and many know each other.
Adapting the principles of game to social-circle events is difficult because I never know how aggressive to be. I usually err on the side of being non-aggressive and leave empty handed.
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most men take this attitude too far. they believe that almost *all* venues involve this sort of dynamic and are not ripe for Gaming. in my younger days this was especially bad as i came up with all sorts of excuses to avoid hitting on girls.
you don’t have to run Game on the chick at this scene, but it provides ample opportunity to allow her to ingratiate you to it.
i think the only Game that can backfire is Funeral Game.
[editor: “i really think death is BeLOW ME.”]
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The easiest way to simplify this is as follows: drop game if the girl thinks you’re higher value than her.
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“Perhaps they were drawn by my jauntily propped newsie hat and Wifey t-shirt.”
Would serve the greater good if there were more posts/threads about good fashion for good game.
Tends to go ignored but it is key
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I still say make up the pimp cards.
Title:
“Looking for a few good bitches”
Hand out everywhere you go.
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G,
I’m interested in the custom suit thing. Do you ALWAYS wear a suit when going out, no matter the venue? Obviously upscale bars/lounges, yes, but what about typical local “hot chicks with douchebags” bars? Are suits still appropriate there? Of couse, it jives with peacock theory since you’ll likely be the only guy there in a suit.
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“askjoe
From a previous post of R’s, I think what R recognized is that his game is predicated on anonymous urban environments, allowing him to swoop regularly without any social stigma attaching to him or the slut. In a tight knit group, the urban anonymity is gone, requiring him to act like a normal person.”
Yeah, this is pretty much it.
It’s one thing when guys with social problems use game to enter the world of serial monogamy that had previously been closed to them. It’s hard not to see that as increasing human happiness in a general way for both the guys and the girls they become involved wit. But using it to become a manipulative manwhore is another.
People generally disapprove of public free-riding and that’s what PUA’s are all about. To be good at it, you essentially have to kill anything like a conscience and stop seeing people as people but as raw material to be manipulated to your will.
Roisy, like any good little sociopath, knows when to put on the mask and play at being a normal human being.
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Wilbur, Chuck,
I say its always better to “Go Big” rather than to “Go Home”, UNLESS you’re not in Game Mode to begin with. Which was the case with Roissy here, or when I’m hanging out with my buds at the club or bar-I never pick gals up in places like that, so I’m not in active Game Mode. On the off chance if something happens, great, if not, great. That’s not the reason why I’m there. Now, if you’re in a situation like that, you got nothing to worry about. Otherwise, always make the move. Even if you fail, Women will respect you for having balls.
As for Funeral Game, maybe I wasn’t clear-ANYWHERE there are Men and Women, the Game is ON. Who says you can’t pickup a gal at a Homgoing Service?
The Obsidian
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So by “it depends” you mean “yes”?
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This also interesting to me “I felt the energy of the set wane. They were slipping away.” So, you got approached by strangers, conversation ensued, conversation waned.
A problem that some good looking guys have is, when approached, whether it’s better to fight to keep such a conversation going and risk floundering or saying something stupid, end it gracefully, or now be “a player adept at seducing women,” and “flip this entitlement script and demand entertainment from the women in his company. Game is the tool that helps with the script-flipping.”
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Nice way to rationalize a c&b.
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“editor: “i really think death is BeLOW ME.”]”
wow. that corpse is really *stiff* and *hard*.
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Not sure where to post this, but just wanted to suggest Salman Rushdie as an Alpha of serious merit:
http://gawker.com/5387701/min-lieskovsky-salman-rushdies-new-squeeze
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Yea he can go for weeks now just have to wear the nose plugs.
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haha, that reminds me of Clerks, Caitlin Bree had sex with a dead guy…
“…my ex-girlfriend is catatonic after fucking a dead guy, and my current girlfriend has sucked 36 dicks.”
Seriously though, I thought the “community” was against funeral game, it’s not even fair, Grief is nature’s most powerful aphrodisiac. The chicks are so horny, it’s not even fair. It’s like fishing with dynamite!
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This is all of Seattle. It is why the Pac. NW is so socially boring.
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Wow, Roissy promoting tact and understanding of social nuance? I must have crossed into a parallel universe or something.
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i had that wifey-t except mines was black. up until it faded to smoke cloud gray i would every now and then get compliments on it.
also the artist chicks (the young ones i dont know about old ones) are such suckers for black/white photography,music,nike dunks, and clothes with some panache type of shit on them.
nonetheless. stay hip roissy.
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i think the only Game that can backfire is Funeral Game.
The Will Ferrell character in “Wedding Crashers” expanded his market to funerals at the end of the movie.
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I know about a guy who scored a chick in his own aunt´s funeral
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I once scored a chick in an emergency room. I was there drunk and badly cut on the forearm (dumbass guy stuff at 23) and a cute girl was there with a grandma who was having chest pains.
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I was discussing this with a client last week. Girls of a certain ilk give themselves way more credit than they deserve. The entitlement mentality can poison Game when the pua is actively targeting ass, and – strangely – even when he isn’t.
The sense of undeserved entitlement forces even casual, neutral convo to degenerate into “oh, he wants to fuck me, so I’m going to make him qualify.” This happens on the internetz – even the Girlgame grrls do it constantly, but of course they’d deny even the obvious. The girls’ knee-jerk qualifying of a neutral male is the direct result of her being unable to turn her game off . She’s been conditioned to run game constantly as an indicator of her worth. If she’s not running game, she’s like a shark that stops moving and dies. Certain females are attention-seeking automatons needing constant reinforcement of their social value.
We discerning men have no need to run game constantly. Discretionary men see the image of their self-worth as stable and immutable – they game as they see fit and separate game from the self image of their social value. The Constantly Gaming Female sees Game as indicative of her self worth. She inextricably has this connected to how she values her very being. For example, if they feel a lack of attention, they’ll do something – anything – to re-establish the status quo, even opening strangers if even for a moment’s entertainment.
There’s no understanding amongst bimbos.
[editor: all true. and why is this? it all goes back to the differences between men’s and women’s market value. women’s dating market value, tied up as it is almost entirely in their youth and beauty, has a shorter expiration date than men’s, and so they are genetically conditioned to seek validation of their attractiveness through constant gaming and attention whoring. men, otoh, don’t feel this need for validation as intensely as do women because men’s time horizons for nailing down a good deal in the sexual market are longer. men have more calendar days to mellow into their high status.]
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not only that, but one of the GFs of that girl happened to be the girlfriend of one of my friends
so during a dinner that girl tells us the story about how her friend was scored by a guy during a funeral, a funeral of his own aunt, and calls the guy “the king of game” in a free translation
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“Perhaps they were drawn by my jauntily propped newsie hat and Wifey t-shirt.”
I knew you dressed like an asshole. Still, if Mystery can get girls..
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I was there drunk and badly cut on the forearm (dumbass guy stuff at 23)
another version of splint game?
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Has anybody here ever attempted menage a’ trois game?
How about mother daughter game?
(I know somebody who claims to have pulled this last one off.)
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I remember reading about that “below/blow me” thing… I assume Roissy is joking, it sounds too retarded to ever really work.
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Here’s a decent evopsych-based article from Psychology Today, elaborating on the huge downside risk staring women’s hypergamous impulse in the face, which Roissy talked about last week:
Do Married Women Want Their Husbands to Cheat?
“The more likely her husband is to remain sexually faithful to her, the less desirable he is (and the greater the probability that perhaps she could have done much better than him).”
And this gem:
“There is a surefire way to guarantee that their husband will never cheat on them, and that is to marry the biggest loser that they can find so that nobody else would want him.”
Nothing groundbreaking of course, but nice confirmation from the academic realm. The piece also offers a handy one-paragraph explanation for why polygynous desire exists in men.
Of course, its completely and utterly foolish for a man to even attempt to explain this to most women — but particularly one you’re fucking. Believe me, I’ve tried. In the mind of such a woman, nearly any explanation, no matter how scientific or logical, is just a florid excuse. Because women are so adept at the twin arts of rationalization and self-deception, they view most any discussion of evolutionary biology explaining male behavior through the prism of justification and bullshit. Her IQ and level of education won’t much affect this.
[editor: if anything, her high IQ will make her self-justifying bullshit that much more believable to her.]
It would be nice once for a woman to say “Ah, that makes sense. While I don’t like it because my own evolutionarily-designed behavioral suite is 180° out of phase with this, I accept its logic, and think this makes life interesting and beautiful.”
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Firepower:
“Certain females are attention-seeking automatons needing constant reinforcement of their social value.”
you make good points. this is one thing that i haven’t reconciled wrt men – in general – feeling we’re the ones who have been cast aside and have it rough. at least most of us don’t feel as if we have to constantly reinforce our social value. truthfully, it sucks to be a woman in that regard. i see a lot of women in their late 20s slutting it up, acting as they did when they were younger and hotter and i feel empathy for them. they are responding to their incentives just as we are, but as roissy pointed out, their shelf-life and their innate value is tied to that 15-20 year window in which they actually look good. i understand their urge to fight it and put on airs as if they’re gods gift. its their strategy.
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There is only one time to not game: when you’re dead.
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I’m surprised at this post. I almost thought it was an April Fool’s post–albeit 6 months and 22 days late. Really? A 100-person film fest party can be a wrong time to game?
If one takes the broadest definition of game: correctly flipping the tacit social cues that regulate opposite-sex attraction (pardon that’s my own, quickly-thought swag), then I don’t see how one needs to “turn it off”; I don’t see how game, rightly played or correctly calibrated, can truly “backfire.”
What you’re describing is a tribe-stranger encounter. The outsider or interloper to the tribe is rightly viewed with suspicion at first. Once his motives are determined as safe, then the tribe can let its guard down and accept the outsider. But until then, the outsider has everything to prove socially, everything to gain by generating attraction and showing he can contribute to the tribe.
Brought down to this film-fest situation, I don’t see the harm, and in fact see quite a benefit, in, say, throwing a scarf neg and generating attraction. The key difference in this situation from a normal club, however, is all in the calibration and how far you take it. Your objective here definitely isn’t to get the F-close, not even the kiss-close, not to isolate, and who knows… perhaps not even to number close–if your spider sense has set your hair on end. But negs along with your banter and some socially ambiguous kino, seems entirely appropriate. The objective in all this is to whet the appetite for a NEXT and future encounter once the tribe’s defenses are down.
As it is now, the girls ended the exchange without interest–and may even harbor DISinterest. The energy waned. The girls slipped away on THEIR volition.
Far better would be to flip it around. After the banter, story telling, negs, etc., you could’ve exited with a not-so-false time-constraint. (“Hey, I’ve REALLY got to get back to my friends now. See you around. [and, in fact, leave]). Or drop a comment that you’ve got your girlfriend waiting, blah, blah. That is, you’d end it on YOUR terms with THEM wanting more, not because the energy waned or because they got bored.
In situations like these, there’s got to be a way to show you’re an interesting guy and generate interest in a further meeting, all without poisoning the well.
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the best way to keep girls’ interested when in non-game mode is to bring a cute female friend with you. game her and all the other girls will see how interested in you she is and become interested by transferrence. game by proxy.
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I suppose it would be inappropriate for one to run Funeral Game at one’s own funeral.
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blockquote>Girls are born with a self-entitlement region of the brain that causes them to assume all men were put on the earth to continually entertain them. This region is connected to the pussy through a single major nerve called the tingleginaceptor. When the pussy deteriorates through age, so does the entitlement region of the female brain.
So true. And Firepower’s assessment is spot-on as well.
But I can tell you after many years of marriage, there’s an element of this that doesn’t go away–or at least hasn’t yet–and that always attempts to re-assert itself. I swear it’s something embedded deep in the female psyche.
There’s a wonderful book out, “Practical Female Psychology”, which is a must-read for those into LTR game. In it, the authors call this very thing “Magic Pussy Syndrome.” I love their definition:
blockquote>Magic Pussy Syndrome (MPS) … is the belief that because a woman has a pussy, she is entitled to special privileges at other people’s expense. Such as: free drinks, free dinner, alimony, child support. The list goes on. In contrast, most guys we know pay for everything, and at retail prices.
Moral: never pay retail.
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From the article that Passing Through linked to, here’s a quote from Salmon Rushdie’s new chick:
Women my mother’s age have told me to find a man who would be a good father and provider, meaning: food, shelter, a steady income-stability. I smile and refrain from telling them that I can afford my own food and rent and that my friends and family give me support and love. About the only thing that I can’t give myself is that flush of excitement upon locking eyes (and lips) with a really gorgeous guy.
Provider game is dead.
Long live gina tingle game.
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”””’Ovid
Has anybody here ever attempted menage a’ trois game?
How about mother daughter game?
(I know somebody who claims to have pulled this last one off.)
”””””’
Gonna pull extended relative game soon. Will have sister and cousin and friends add the mom too. Should be interesting. Have a blowout party till ya drop all females and me he he he
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There’s a wonderful book out, “Practical Female Psychology”, which is a must-read for those into LTR game.</i.
It is the best resource for those interested in LTR game. Hat tip to Tupac for introducing me to it. Supplement with Dave from Hawaii and even some Roissy posts, and you are good to go.
This points up one of the glaring omissions though in game literature, the lack of anything good on social circle game. This goes double for church circles which have their own idiosyncracies. Lately, I’ve massively scaled back my time in the bar to concentrate on the women I am really after, but it has been truly disconcerting to see the massive difference in your ability to get it done in a different environment.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/10/22/international/i102629D50.DTL&tsp=1
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Berlusconi offends 100,000 women. see link above
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Provider game is dead.
Truer words . . .
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Someone take pity here and point me to a site/instructions for how to get these damn blockquotes correct.
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Here’s a pic of the “female” pol Silvio mocked:
“You are always more beautiful than intelligent,” Berlusconi told her (Bindi above).
[editor: if i were gay, i would love silvio intimately.]
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Real empowermeant game gonna be in like flynn though. If you can take almost any woman willing to do a little work and turn her into a piece of an empire then yea that isn’t going out of style. If you can show woman how they can achieve what they desire while giving you what you desire (same thing) then your good. Show them how to be free of having to do it all and switch over to just managing it all with their main focus being to take care of their mans dick and happiness. Then they get to have kids and plenty of time to take care of them. Plenty of money to do whatever. Plenty of time to hang out with family and stress free. Plenty of time to fuck in every concievable way.
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Let me second what MNL has said. I, too, thought this post in jest. And if it’s serious, I don’t get it.
Not only is MNL right wrt to meeting new people, it’s also important to keep running game in your own social circle (and yes, calibration is part of game). Otherwise you end up in the friend zone. As Roissy taught us, or so I believed.
The neg generates mutual respect.
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Woman can do the nuts and bolts management then the guy just has the guiding hand over it all. Then ya get instant start up capability just add money.
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mnl about page
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i agree. certain situations call for different strategies. in those situations (which can often be goldmines), you can just be a culturally literate, charming stranger and usually come away with a choice number or two.
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Re-read this in 12 days and tell me then whether you think it was right not to game.
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“This man offends us. Stop him,” reads the petition.
Hahaha. Ah, Silvio, you dog you!
There should be a universal constant that says for X number of woman you “offend,” you inspire lust in Y number of women.
And in a country like Italy, Y is probably higher than X.
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As a social experiment, it might be fun to run apocalypto-game on a bunch of artsy 7s at an indie film fest. The jaw-gaping would be funny at least.
My thinking is that that the overarching premise of these gatherings is anti-club, anti-hookup, and perhaps even anti-game, so if a practitioner can apply game with transcendence, he could do surprisingly well by inverting the local paradigm.
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Nice shirt, Roissy.
Women signing petitions against Silvio him only ups his appeal. Good for him.
Interesting article above regarding wives’ preferences for cheating husbands. It’s a safe and secure move for a woman to marry someone far less attractive or appealing than herself. But that creates a dilemma… security vs. jealousy & intrigue. A good man can create both w/o being a cheater.
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The hate from women on Silvio reminds me that the french had it right: there is a thin line between love and hate.
I recently listened to an NPR interview between Terry Gross (“Miss NPR”) and Gene Simmons of KISS. It was up on T Ricky Raw’s “The Rawness” site linked to by Roissy.
The interview is very hostile—Gross, a hard left wing feminazi, is prepared, under her plastic pleasantness, to quietly murder Simmons for his sex-laced speech. But what struck me is how Simmons works.
Simmons works her in 2 ways, which should be required rules for people who want Game.
First, he lets her know from the start and constantly throughout that he views sex, and sex from her, as his goal. This immediately makes sure Gross knows that he isn’t interested in being her friend, only the guy who fucks her. This immediately cuts off any LJBF motions by Gross—Simmons plainly states that he will welcome her with open arms if she welcomes him with open legs.
Also by doing this it puts sex on Gross’s mind. Just ahving her think about it puts the option in play.
Second, he escalates her emotions. When she keeps disapproving of his sex-thoughts and sex-talk, he turns on the insults and sex-talk more, heightening her emotion. As the French say, the line is thin—-even if she is disgusted and angered by his actions, that anger and disgust can be flipped to lust quickly, and much more easily than, say, if she felt nothing but cold logic about him.
Gene Simmons is da man.
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@lurker- yeah, but Gene Simmons obviously has no desire to actually fuck Terry Gross- more like a politically incorrect mindfuck for her and her audience. Just amusing himself by pissing off the feminazis of the world. So correct – Da Man. I’ll have to find that interview- sounds like fun.
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Maurice, who knows? He claims to have slept with a huge slew of women. Men who do so often experiment with different kinds of sex to spice things up. So an aging hag feminazi who hate fucks him might be something he’s interested in.
I take Simmons at his word that he would gladly fuck her. But I also agree that he was fucking with her audience, too. Basicaly I think it was his true desires, amped to 11.
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There’s opportunistic game and then there’s full on game.
I certainly don’t believe in being in full on game mode all the time when I’m with any group of people. There’s more relaxed socializing when your just interested in networking with people, men and women but often more men, learning what their experiences have been, swapping stories. Sure opportunistic teasing of attractive girls and flirting with them is good, but always working all rooms with that mostly in mind — no thanks.
Why do so much work all the time for the girlies? They’re by no means always worth it. You’re not their entertainment poodle. Or why show your asshole side all the time?
Still it’s good and fun and edgie to pretty much always be opportunistically ready to game a hot or interesting enough girl.
Here these girls were 7’s, borderine, and Rossy said nothing about them to make any of them seem especially interesting. So, if you’re not from hunger, ehhhh.
[editor: ultimately, that may have been the problem. i wasn’t hungry.]
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I will have to add Gene Simmons to Silvio in the pantheon of the modern world’s greatest men.
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MNL
The sense of entitlement is very much culturally created or at least greatly heightened and shaped in the feminist Anglosphere.
The sense of it being something to bargain with is what’s innate. The terms of the exchange and his right to other options or not is not.
Hence the first wave feminist campaigns against prostitution. And to make male adultery, previously pretty much accepted as something most successful and some not so successful men do, so long as it was discrete and not notorious, an acceptable reason for female initiated divorce with the right of support from her ex husband. That battle was only fully won by first wave feminists in the early 20th century, and largely began in the later 19th.
Then second wave feminists did away with the duty of a wife to give her husband reasonable amounts of sex, while making marriage an equal partership (business partnership with the wive always entitled to a 50/50 split no matter how well the husband alone did) to pay out as such and more if her pussy entitlement rights were breached in any way and then if she just felt like it, and wanted a no fault divorce payout.
All of these were Anglosphere feminist initiates to raise the bargaining power and entitlement of American pussy over men in marriage. None of them are culturally and sometimes not legally embraced nearly so much in non Anglosphere countries including today.
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MNL
How to blockquote:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/about/#comment-94616
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To Roissy [ & Whoever Else Would Like to Answer ] :
I appreciate how you and a few other folks in the Roissysphere have done a breakdown of advice and anecdotes about dealing with foreign girls, but I was wondering if y’all could possibly do a similar list concerning your experiences with girls of different sub-cultures and scenes?
To VK [If you Still Post Here — & Whoever Else Would Like to Answer] :
What is your perspective on “Gaming” as a black man; Specifically in various scenes and sub-cultures?
Any tips from someone who is just starting from the same?
To The G Manifesto :
Would you be willing to take pictures of and display some of your custom suits and urban-wear on your site for those of us who are man-fashion challenged?
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Let’s face it, the disadvantage most men running game have in an insular circle is that your alpha credentials have already gone through pre-screening. If you don’t possess the geniune high status as defined by the group then running game makes you look like an interloper. You can bullshit but if you really haven’t genuinely produced something that elevates your status in that group then you’ll be at an enormous disadvantage. Usually, for parties where you’re an outsider its wiser to take a date or gf. At a minimum you demonstrate social proof. In a circle where everyone already knows you beforehand or has heard of you by reputation alone (as an artist, benefactor, owner, director, whatever) you’ll be free to do as you please. However, you’ll find that all that is necessary is the most minimal game.
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RacerX
Gene Simmons uses super alpha game all the time. It’s self consciously asshole game too. I suppose he’s partly a natural but he’s also heavily self taught. The guy is real bright and super in control all the time.
He doesn’t care about being liked especially in a nice guy sort of way. He’s bad boy all the time. Though not to his family.
Despite all sorts of external pressure he’s always refused to marry his live together ex playmate, B movie sexploitation starlet gf, Shannon Tweed. With whom he has a one way open playing arrangement. (Though no outside love affairs; just fleeting sex with groupies etc.)
Though he does do richly by her. Even had a two or three season show about his private unmarried life, Family Jewels. Got a couple of netflix discs on it and watched a few episodes.
Yeah. Way to go Gene Simmons.
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@askjoe
Excellent & funny points.
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I am a tad concerned about R.
First he like Lily Allen’s *music*, then he enjoys running barefoot & now newsboy hats ?
Hmm.
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Roissy is channeling Britney Spears.
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Shannon Tweed has said that they don’t have an open relationship “despite what Mr. Simmons says on television.” It seems to me mostly a put-on act. Whether he still sneaks around to get some action on the side, I cannot say.
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The latest efforts of the left against Silvio Berlusconi, linked above:
How utterly absurd. First her retort – when did Berlesconi say or imply she was at his disposal. Pure deflection. Instead he was belittling her on two fronts, including the attractiveness one. She isn’t. Looks like a stereotypical mid fifties dyke.
This from feminists who’ve taken to holding thumb and forefinger an inch apart, in response to someone who’s arguments are angering them – belittling his equipment (which they’ve almost always never seen, and it wouldn’t matter if it were well above average anyway, they’d still likely do it.)
Men should embrace the claim of being “sexist” or at least not regard it as some powerfully damning charge. Like misogynist it’s used anytime a man says or does anything feminists don’t like and isn’t instantly apologetic. It’s used against any man who thinks that men and women are intrinsically different in important personality, motivational and other ways. It’s certainly used against any man who acts dominant over women in ways the charging woman doesn’t like.
It’s used against any who attack any tenants of feminism. Then after sucking in someone that way they will be claimed to either “hate women” or “not respect women” or “think all men are superior in all important ways” over women – all without evidence other than that in some way he’s not down with feminist ideology.
By some of those definitions I’m most definitely sexist. Yet I think women are just as valuable as men overall.
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gig –
Plausible. At least gig said ‘I know about a guy’.
PA, in response to gig –
So you scored a woman in a matter of half an hour, in an ER itself? It is unlikely that any guys here would buy that what you saw on TV is what you actually did.
Yaknowwha’imsayyin?
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Yup, Gene Simmons is the Man, simple as that. I heard parts of his now (in)famous interview with Terri Gross, what a hoot.
Doug, excellent points about Feminine Entitlement. I’ve been going back and forth w/a few buds about Oprah and her “war” on Hip Hop. Like many other Black Women, she claims to take issue with it because it supposedly puts Black Women as a whole down. Yet, she has no problem having someone like Karrine Steffans on her show to hawk her books, all the while claiming that she was “abused as a child”. Yea, riiiiight…
Its pure Hypocrisy101, so blatant and in your face even Oprah’s own fans had to point it out to her via her website. Yet, Steffans is the “victim” while the rappers are the “aggressors”. Rubbish.
Ruby, there are some significant differences btw Gaming Blac & White Women. Generally speaking, w/Black Women, you need to look really good and have them attracted FIRST before you really start saying anything. At that point, you just don’t wanna screw things up when you start talking. W/White Women, it’s more about witty banter and the usual stuff you read about Game. One reason why I think not many Brothas actually write about it is because a lot of what Black Men do isn’t something you can necessarily breakdown on a flowchart the way you can say, the Mystery Method. Its more about style, timing, that sort of thing.
As for style, I would say you gotta experiment until you hit a good groove. Try to have what you wear match the person you are on the inside, then crank it up a notch or two. You strike me as a more conservative guy, so you,re going to have to liven it up a bit in order to snag the more livelier gals. This is tricky-not lively enough and you could look a bit too bland; too over the top and you’ll be incongruent, which is a serious No-No. So that’s something you gotta work on and experiment with a bit. Getting a Hired Gun can help in this regard, too.
Hope this helps, any other questions, holla.
The Obsidian
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Thursday–
Yes I know she says that.
How could she say anything otherwise publicly to the wide world and maintain status in feminist female empowerment “Hollywood” LA, at least when the nature of open that Gene is saying is one way open. That’s in fact what she eventually says without it being completely unambiguous on Family Jewels. They obviously worked on the ambiguity.
That’s their way of making it out there and part of his bad boy rock star sex object (for aging gen Xers anyway) image, but still deniable so that it again becomes discrete re her rep among her crowd.
My guess is that the actual facts are somewhere in between. Yes he does get outside groupie etc. sex still since living with her but not nearly as much as he claims. She is unlikely to police it but does police being humiliated about it or his getting emotionally involved with anyone else. Like i said, my guess.
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””’Doug1,
Yet I think women are just as valuable as men overall.””””””””””
I think in the end women gonna be more valuable to me than men as far as material posessions goes and chill time. Who else is gonna run the small businesses.
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gig
I know about a guy who scored a chick in his own aunt´s funeral
I once swooped a chick at HER own funeral.
Because I just that good.
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lurker
I recently listened to an NPR interview between Terry Gross (”Miss NPR”) and Gene Simmons of KISS.
Here it is.
Gene was good but Terry Gross didn’t know how to roll with his act.
They’re as different as two people can be.
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@ willard
Rigor mortis is almost as bad as obesity insubtracting points from a girl’s sexual market value
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gig
heh.
A man of wide experience.
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Hey Roissy can you do a post about gaming or PU when you are in a small social circle etc? This has always been one of my weaknesses.
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So you scored a woman in a matter of half an hour, in an ER itself?
Yup. Got her phone number while waiting at the ER.
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Dreamer
A better man can create both while being non-monogamous.
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Insider status is easily gained amongst trendy hipster types like this. Their social circles are pretty open actually.
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Completely off topic, but i met a guy tonight that introduced himself as dave from hawai, in Budapest he had been here for like half a day, and i couldn’t help but wonder off to this blog, and how hilarious that would have been if it was the same guy..
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Reading this post improved my mood.
http://theyshootstars.com/page1.html
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Here’s what is puzzling me.
Roissy says it would have emphasized his outsider status for him to run game, stamped him as a persona non grata, but why?
If you consider the video he posted a couple of months back, “From Hello to Kiss in 10 Minutes,” Roissy was wildly enthusiastic about that guy’s game. Nothing that guy did would have been out of place in the indie crowd that he is describing in this post.
It seems as though, in this post, Roissy is saying, “it would have marked my outsider status for me to run asshole game on these women.” Yes, but what was keeping you from running a different kind of game — the kind of game that you praised so highly in the “Hello to Kiss in 10 minutes video.”
The game in that video certainly would not have alienated anyone, would it?
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In Response to Obsidian :
Thanks for the advice.
I wonder if you have any views on the “sticking points” of using “Game” on women as a black man.
How do you derail initial ‘negrophobia’?
How do you cross that cultural boundary to cultures that initially look down upon romantic liasons with black men? Say… upper class Latinas and Asian girls?
Are there any other fashion styles that black men can wear that would illicit initial interest from women that aren’t ‘Black Hipster’ and ‘Black Yuppie’?
Etc.
The Rules of the “Game” has popped up for white guys and Asian guys… But what is needed is something for black guys who aren’t naturals.
Much obliged.
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Biktopia,
Did your Gina tingle?
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I still don’t get it..
Why do you want something that is a state of mind (purported acceptance by a woman) as opposed to something real (sex).
Anyone can buy sex, and the quality of reasonably priced sex is pretty good. Why care about acceptance by others?
If you think about it, you are born alone and will die alone. You will have no lasting legacy and there is no point in trying to be nice to people who do not reciprocate. Why not live on your own terms?
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While this is a good summary of the social dynamics in the described situation, caring that much about becoming persona non grata to a bunch of hipsters is pure, unadulterated beta.
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For all the BS on race, ‘science’, women.. I will just say “memento mori”.
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In Response to Lucifer :
“Remember, you must die.”
“Live without dead time.”
“Carpe diem. Carpe nox. Carpe morte.”
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Really, I’m just trying to dissect greater social dynamics.
I’m trying to disarm the initial ‘awkwardness’ of meeting people while still being ‘Alpha’ and not appearing overly aggressive or intimidating in as many social situations as possible.
—
You may be able to live as an interpersonal ascetic, but I can not.
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This post kind of touches at what I would call Outsider Game.
Often, if you are a guy outside of a given social/cultural/racial circle, the odds are stacked against you. However, once you break into the bubble and get some measure of social proof, you instantly become more interesting than every other guy in the room.
The harder it is to break into the circle, the more rewarding it is to break into it.
Easy example is a white guy at a black party. Apologies to G, but never roll dolo to these… instead have a girl (wait make that two) on the arm. After a minute or two, let them go mingle and watch how intrigued the other girls are by a white guy all of the sudden.
This is why some older guys can absolutely crush even younger versions of themselves. Yes most older guys can’t hang with the young crowd. However, the few that stay in it have established social proof that the young and hungry just can’t touch. The 50+ guy at the upscale lounge who’s holding court with a couple of models will absolutely take your girl if he wants her. When you see a guy with a girl and say, “WTF?” most girls are saying (subconsciously), “he must have it going on somehow.”
All you gotta do is take the scene and throw it to the fourth power and suddenly your negative is a huge positive. Easier said than done in some cases though. I’m sure some of the others on here have other examples of this powerful technique.
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Madras, yeah, I thought that too. But I think the dynamics at work here should be observed, because the first thought may be who cares what these stupid hipster d-bags think. But that’s not smooth. You can’t (or shouldn’t) walk into someone’s home and make fun of the drapes. Nonetheless, I don’t know if there is really a larger lesson here like outsider game. R didn’t game a girl. He might just get over it.
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Yup. Got her phone number while waiting at the ER.
So by ‘score’ you only mean getting the phone number?
OK, that is realistic, then.
But I hope you know that ‘score’ in the female association context, means ‘had intercourse with’. That would not be realistic in the situation you described.
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gig
@ willard
Rigor mortis is almost as bad as obesity insubtracting points from a girl’s sexual market value.
Rigor mortis game is tougher than you might think. It requires the utmost skill. At first she will give you the cold shoulder…..and back, neck, legs, feet. Icy, no doubt about it.
But the man skilled in the arts of Game is NEVER a true Master until he can get that girl up out of that casket and onto his arm.
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Ruby
In Response to Obsidian :
Thanks for the advice.
I wonder if you have any views on the “sticking points” of using “Game” on women as a black man.
How do you derail initial ‘negrophobia’?
It seems like your “negrophobia” is a fear of or contempt for black females. Are they too inferior for you? Some Momma shame going on?
All of the black males who have ever posted on roissy’s site have a sexual/psychological obsession with White Women. There are NO exceptions.
I don’t think much of black females but it is interesting how much the black male world wide also often looks down on the black female and sees the White Woman as “the Queen of his Dreams”.
How do you cross that cultural boundary to cultures that initially look down upon romantic liasons with black men? Say… upper class Latinas and Asian girls?
Classic. Now that Latina and Asian woman are becoming a bigger part of America and have rocketed past the black female in sexual status we should expect to see more of that black male obsession with White Woman transferred onto Latina and Asian females as well.
Totally predictable.
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Indeed. Some black men flee horny black women seeking booty calls, as seen here.
Others, however, actually seek out fat Wumin.
—Must–resist–urge–to–post–picture–of–rhinoceros–and–Cape–Buffalo–
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Is there ever a time NOT to game? Only an idiot would ask such a question.
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OT, but <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com"Steve Sailer’s blog, and the Race/History/Evolution Notes (n/a’s blog) blog, are both down. Blogspot however isn’t, and other blogs are loading fine. I checked beginning around 2:15 am.
Sailer’s and the Race/History/Evolution notes blog’s most recent posts were on counting Jews in the Fortune 400 and the broader topic of Jewish wealth and power.
Definitely not a coincidence.
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OT, but Steve Sailer’s blog, and the Race/History/Evolution Notes (n/a’s blog) blog, are both down. Blogspot however isn’t, and other blogs are loading fine. I checked beginning around 2:15 am.
Sailer’s and the Race/History/Evolution notes blog’s most recent posts were on counting Jews in the Fortune 400 and the broader topic of Jewish wealth and power.
Definitely not a coincidence.
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Sounds to me like you were hanging out with some girls who are actually smart and nice, not mindless sluts. Move along, Roissy…
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Zunder.
I felt some serious motherhood instincts as that “Dave from Hawai nr 2” was drunk as a horse. Hi’s speech was blurred and he had problems standing. I just wanted to call him a cab, but he was there with his friends so, im sure he was fine in the end.
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Now tell me this. Roissy goes on all time about Alpha and Beta. Is it not Beta to write an anonymous blog?
Alpha is putting your name to shit. Owning your opinions. I don’t get why he hides behind anonymity like a little bitch.
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“Hey Roissy can you do a post about gaming or PU when you are in a small social circle etc? ”
Small social circle game, in my experience, is the easiest game to play. It’s so easy it’s barely “game” (very passive, in any sense.)
The essential element is getting “in” — DHV to acceptance (intelligence, sense of humor, in-group aesthetic values, etc.) Insider status establishes social proof and potential access to all the females of the group.
(Roissy’s instincts were right on here — there’s absolutely no point in rushing IF you’ll see all these people again and again.)
If you’ve played it cool and get group acceptance, you will get a shitload of IOIs from the available women in the group. At that point you can escalate and elicit competition among them.
Social circle game is the best, the easiest, and the least stressful. Work smart, not hard.
Because these circles tend to be less dynamic than most environments, there’s little need to rush game.
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“I don’t get why he hides behind anonymity like a little bitch.”
Says the guy named “CoonDog”. Sweet mother of irony…
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”””””xsplat
Dreamer
security vs. jealousy & intrigue. A good man can create both w/o being a cheater.
A better man can create both while being non-monogamous.
”””””””
he he he
Woman want monogamy still but what are they giving in return?
It is just a bad deal for men now to do. It is against the mans self interest to just have one woman. He needs to have another option at all times in todays oppressive system. Think if dave from hawaii would just get a second woman his wife would toe the fucking line or leave. Either way he would have more power and wouldn’t have to try quit so hard. What is he really getting for all his hard work?
What is is woman giving?
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Ruby did you grow up in single parent hosehold?
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”””””Easy example is a white guy at a black party. Apologies to G, but never roll dolo to these… instead have a girl (wait make that two) on the arm. After a minute or two, let them go mingle and watch how intrigued the other girls are by a white guy all of the sudden. ”””””’
Naa you definetly roll dolo to these and watch the woman with drool coming out of there mouths. Black woman are extremely intrigued by white men.
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“-phobia” is probably not the best suffix to use, but Ruby raises a valid point.
Consider:
Asian girls have an easy time finding white men. On the other hand, Asian girls (who are not 8+) can sometimes have an excruciatingly hard time finding white men who don’t have yellow fever fetish. I.e., white men who will actually think of them as women first and Asian women second, rather than the obverse.
Ask ANY Asian woman how often she’s had to contend with “I love Asian women” as a pickup line.
In exactly the same vein, black men have an easy time finding non-black women, but they can sometimes have an excruciatingly hard time finding non-black women who don’t have “jungle fever”. I.e., non-black women who will actually think of them as men first and black second, rather than the obverse.
Ruby is likely one of these, especially if his milieu is one in which blacks are rare, and even more so if he’s a newcomer to that milieu.
On the other hand, it is also possible that he’s just obsessed with white women. But that’s not where I would place my bet.
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Or with a couple black wingmen. Either
Make sure your carrying and be ready to get some animosity from the black men.
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””””””””””’Black woman are extremely intrigued by white men.”””””’
Maybe I shouldn’t say white men. I mean extremely intrigued by me. But yea I think a definete part of that is because I am white.
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MSFaaaaaaaaatW
In case English is your second language:
It’s idiomatic usage.
To score with a woman is most definitely to fuck her.
To score a woman generally isn’t.
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If not:
Autism speaks!
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””””But I hope you know that ’score’ in the female association context, means ‘had intercourse with’. That would not be realistic in the situation you described.”””’
Why the fuck not?
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Oh yea hows it going epoxy he he he
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@Faaaat Wumin:
So by ’score’ you only mean getting the phone number?
I got solid IOIs while talking in the ER waiting room and then her phone number. This was better than splint game: it was bloody white t-shirt pressed to a forearm game.
OK, that is realistic, then.
See, it’s no good to question me. If I wanted to be unrealistic I would have said that I banged her in an empty exam room while the grandma was clutching her chest and being ignored by the triage nurse. And then I swooped three nursed, G-Manifesto style. One of whom snapped “shut up and do your own tourniquet” to a hemorrhaging patient. Alas, my game at 23 was still hit-and-miss.
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@ PA
Dude, you can’t include that level of detail. You’re too well-known for that.
Your keynote-address circuit would suffer, your multiple wives would find out about each other, and you would bring shame to the other linebackers on your Super Bowl championship team.
Come on now.
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Good one! no witty reply as I’m getting into my work-thingee right now but I dig the allusion.
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Ruby,
All interesting questions, its just that I’ve never really given all that much thought, lol. And maybe therein lies your problem: YOU’RE THINKING TOO MUCH. Although there are some important differences in terms of dealing w/differing Women, in the end, its still about Male/Female attraction, you either have that or you don’t. For the vast majority of Men, they have to get the gal attracted, and then build on it (comfort) and then take it from there. So in a way it really doesn’t matter what the race or culture the gal is, if she ain’t attracted to you from the jump, it’s all moot anyway.
As for clothing, again, you gotta experiment. The best thing to do is wear clothes that best speaks to who you are *or aspire to be* on the inside. If there’s a “sticking point” for a lot of guys, in my view that has to be it. The idea of congruence is big because Women have an evolved sense about these sort of things. Wearing clothes that aren’t “you” is a big no-no, as are doing or saying things that come off as natural.
As I’ve said before, I’m Urban, but NOT Ghetto. Now, what do I mean by that? Well, I mean, you won’t EVER see me wearing the following:
-Flatbill Charlie Brown style baseball caps
-Saggy jeans w/my underwear/behind hanging out
-Shirts or jackets that are 3, 4 or 5X (example: Polo shirts buttoned all the way up, etc)
-Dickies other than for work
-Sneakers or Timberland boots as standard footwear (on occasion, OK)
-Sweatsuits (Again, on occasion, like say, twice a year, if that)
What I DO wear, regularly, are the following:
-Lots of leather: scooter jackets (think Wolverine), car coats, etc.
-Jeans that actually fit with a belt
-Boots other than Timberland (looks nice w/my bootcut jeans), shoes-ALWAYS w/a spit shine
-Scarves, hats & gloves (Just bought two “porkpie” styles and a few “Andy Capp” style caps; gonna go grab up a few more skimmers to go w/my suits-think Steve Harvey). I prefer keffiyahs-I am Muslim afterall-and they really look nice on me
-Suits (I’m in the process of rebuilding my wardrobe, but at one time I had more than 30)
And so on.
I tend to shop at more what I define as “urban but not ghetto” shops, such as Express For Men, American Eagle, Aldo, and certain local Men’s boutiques. Like I said, you gotta experiment. If you’re on a budget, and who aint these days, start small, w/say, some basic slacks & shirts. Nothing fancy, in fact when in doubt, keep it simple. Being neat and spiffy almost always works.
Comment and reply, holla.
The Obsidian
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In Response to Willard Libby :
[1] “Negrophobia” is the initial subtle fear of large black men in physical proximity.
I don’t think a lot of people are consciously aware of their physical reactions when I, or other large black men, come near them (stuttering, shaking, Fight-or-Flight body language and eye movement, overcompensating for perceived possible aggressiveness by acting tough or apathetic, etc.), rather it is programmed by bad experiences in school or areas in inner cities where various cultures are juxtaposed with each other.
I’m just seeking to disarm this effect as quickly and efficiently as possible while still appearing Alpha [NOT socially prostrating myself before that person to comfort them] and not appearing too aggressive or intimidating.
[2] I highlight upper [middle] class Latinas and Asian girls as examples because they tend to have beauty, styles, cultures and personalities that I find endearing but they and their friends exhibit ‘negrophobia’the most extremely, literally shutting down an approach before it even starts.
Working class Latinas that I’ve come across seem to love me [I’m guessing it is a mixture of my “Dad”-like personality [vs. the Cad aspect, which I suppose I should develop] which appeals to their cultural pro-patriarchal views and my deep voice and patient aloofness.]. Asians, still, not so much.
Trust me, none of this has to do with black women; Just with my personal self-improvement… And a love of lithe, petite women of all ethnicities.
In Response to Epoxytocin No. 87 :
You hit the mark. I am supremely tired of being with girls who see me as a realization of their fetish fantasies.
From a “Game” standpoint, girls like this are gold, but from a relationship standpoint, girls like this are annoying and vapid and often incompatible past sexual desire.
Roissy and many ‘Game’s Men’ have spoken of a woman’s love as the ultimate aphrodisiac, motivation and drug in many ways.
Filtering out loose low-quality women who see me as a novelty and seducing high-quality women to love [and maintaining that] is my goal.
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Epoxytocin No. 87 said “Asian girls have an easy time finding white men. On the other hand, Asian girls (who are not 8+) can sometimes have an excruciatingly hard time finding white men who don’t have yellow fever fetish”
I don’t know about the above sentence, but I think most Asian female can pick random White men at will. I don’t know what it is, but am sure The Association of Asian Females has done some voodoo on White men. They are so good that even Milf Asian females can operate in the good. Amongst my friends, everyone one of them goes gaga over Asians, no exceptions. And for some reason they don’t have to pass any quality test that other females have to pass through; if you got slanty eyes you’re in. That seems to be the only criterion.
“In exactly the same vein, black men have an easy time finding non-black women, but they can sometimes have an excruciatingly hard time finding non-black women who don’t have “jungle fever”
Regarding black men with other women, hmm this one is a tough one. But I find in White women, a fair good few go through jungle fever at some point in their lives. In sluttier women then all of them go through it. I think this is mostly because most people meet women in clubs and dance places and Black men can dance. Also modern culture is mostly a black thing so they get points there too.
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Ruby said “You hit the mark. I am supremely tired of being with girls who see me as a realization of their fetish fantasies.”
I think obsidian is right, you think too much. Man if a girl gives it to you, you have to take it…and be grateful.
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”””’I don’t know about the above sentence, but I think most Asian female can pick random White men at will. I don’t know what it is, but am sure The Association of Asian Females has done some voodoo on White men. They are so good that even Milf Asian females can operate in the good. Amongst my friends, everyone one of them goes gaga over Asians, no exceptions. And for some reason they don’t have to pass any quality test that other females have to pass through; if you got slanty eyes you’re in. That seems to be the only criterion.”””””’
Yea really thank god there are billions of em for my white brothers salvation.
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In Response to Anonymous :
Does anyone have any responses for my original questions. I don’t want to break into another sociological tangent.
I think to a lot of folks, these questions may seem as me overthinking “Game” — But for me, and many other intelligent black men, these are valid sticking points.
This is me discussing the strategy of “Game” for my circumstances. This process IS one of deep introspection.
I wouldn’t be asking here — a blog for “Game” — if it wasn’t a significant hurdle in approaches and there were other resources for this sort of thing in the first place.
Maybe I should just approach more and accept a significant rate of attrition for my early efforts. But I see no harm in asking others to analyze them.
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Yea ruby it comes down to grass is greener. When it is easy then you don’t want it right?
when it is too hard you can’t get it.
Doors are open because of who you are and doors are also closed.
What does your quality woman entail would be a good list to make so you at least know what your looking for.
There is definetly a difference in hardness and femininity between white woman who frequent a black bar vs a country bar.
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Sure you have noticed white woman acting ghetto but as long as you have drug game its all good.
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Ruby
In Response to Willard Libby :
[1] “Negrophobia” is the initial subtle fear of large black men in physical proximity.
That’s how you and others define it. But YOUR negrophobia is a fear of and contempt for black females because you see them, and yourself, as inferior to the more “evolved” races.
Your fetish for non-black females is ultimately a fear of your own Ape-like features. Being a “big black male”, see gorilla, is subconsciously what you want to evolve away from. Non-black females are your only genetic hope.
[2] I highlight upper [middle] class Latinas and Asian girls as examples because they tend to have beauty, styles, cultures and personalities that I find endearing
Of course. Because they are less Ape-like than negroid women. We’ve established that.
but they and their friends exhibit ‘negrophobia’the most extremely, literally shutting down an approach before it even starts.
That’s no more a phobia than your own discomfort with homosexual men approaching you is “homophobia”. If you aint interested in having gay sex and gays are approaching you you might start “shutting down” too.
These particular women aren’t interested in black males. Give it a brake, get over your obsession with these women and show more interest in “your own” women. What are you afraid of?
Trust me, none of this has to do with black women;
I don’t “trust you” and it has everything to do with black women and YOUR negrophobia toward THEM and your anxiety about even beginning to admit it.
Just with my personal self-improvement
Of course. The black male’s road to “improvement” leads through non-black females. Basic evolution……….from the African apes.
In Response to Epoxytocin No. 87 :
You hit the mark. I am supremely tired of being with girls who see me as a realization of their fetish fantasies.
Then get more involved with the “sistas”. What makes them so unappealing and nasty to you as a black male?
seducing high-quality women to love [and maintaining that] is my goal.
“High quality women” is code or “aint black”.
Anonymous
Also modern culture is mostly a black thing so they get points there too.
Modern culture is so OVERWHELMINGLY White that people don’t even notice it.
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Ruby
In Response to Willard Libby :
[1] “Negrophobia” is the initial subtle fear of large black men in physical proximity.
That’s how you and others define it. But YOUR negrophobia is a fear of and contempt for black females because you see them, and yourself, as inferior to the more “evolved” races.
Your fetish for non-black females is ultimately a fear of your own Ape-like features. Being a “big black male”, see gorilla, is subconsciously what you want to evolve away from. Non-black females are your only genetic hope.
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“In exactly the same vein, black men have an easy time finding non-black women, but they can sometimes have an excruciatingly hard time finding non-black women who don’t have “jungle fever”
“Filtering out loose low-quality women who see me as a novelty and seducing high-quality women to love [and maintaining that] is my goal.”
I can TOTALLY relate to this…good points Ruby…
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”””’Willard Libby,
“High quality women” is code or “aint black”.”””””
Definetly agreeing with that assessment.
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“In exactly the same vein, black men have an easy time finding non-black women, but they can sometimes have an excruciatingly hard time finding non-black women who don’t have “jungle fever”
Exactly you don’t want the hard unfeminine white woman who want you. Yet brag abot how easy it is he he he
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Take this to heart though.
A man can make any woman a quality woman.
This is the truth.
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Willard Libby
Modern culture is so OVERWHELMINGLY White that people don’t even notice it.
Well you said it yourself; most people don’t even notice it. I am with you when it comes to modern amenities, medicine, ad infinitum. But how does that come into play when you are in a club and they’re playing Whitney Houston’s I wanna dance with somebody?
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Any woman he picks maybe as caveate and picks him.
Then she alows herself to be shaped.
WTF just found out my girlfriend saved some ladies life and getting an award.
Guess were people screaming in a hotel room and she went in and brought a lady out of a coma with cpr.
Me and getting with superwoman who the fuck knows.
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” I don’t know about the above sentence, but I think most Asian female can pick random White men at will. I don’t know what it is, but am sure The Association of Asian Females has done some voodoo on White men. They are so good that even Milf Asian females can operate in the good. Amongst my friends, everyone one of them goes gaga over Asians, no exceptions. And for some reason they don’t have to pass any quality test that other females have to pass through; if you got slanty eyes you’re in. That seems to be the only criterion. ”
I think, on average, it helps that Asian women are slenderer than other groups, and even Americanized Asian women have managed, on average, to be less affected by the obesity epidemic. So, even if your first preference isn’t Asian women, you tend to gravitate to them if your interest is in non-obese women, particularly if you live in an Area with a decent sized Asian population.
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JB
Small everyone knows everyone social circles are all about developing the right kind of reputation. The right bad boy, fun boy one.
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JB
I agree it is very easy to game closed groups where everyone knows everyone, or lots know lots within the social group anyway. Well it becomes incredibly easy to keep success piling up once you get it started.
The thing to keep in mind about small social circle game is that you are GOING to get a reputation. Your job is to shape it. You don’t want to minimize it, or downplay it, actually. You want to maximize it. For maximum scoring you want your reputation to be as a rake, but an honest one. Great in bed. Your self explanation should be that you’re “looking for love” but exploring different girls and kinds of girls while looking, “‘til the “we totally click mutually deep and heavy thing happens”. I.e. no you’re not a loyal safe bet but you offer the chance of true deep love with the guy the other girls want, for good reason. The crap shoot of that. You’re not about settling but passion. Chick crack. (I’m describing my thinking and presentation pre the days of formal game, as such, or alpha and beta terminology.)
Maybe so. But rushing it will turbo charge your bad but fun boy rep. In tight groups it becomes increasingly easy to game, and more and more arrogantly. Which works even better. I developed a “terrible” reputation for loving and leaving them in my first year at (a top) law school. But I was gentle about it. But moved on despite tears. Ended up doing all but a small handful of the 7 and up girls in my class by second year, heavily during the pressure cooker of 1L.
Law school was where I REALLY realized that girls could react with irritation and genuine anger to my semi or very non PC arrogance (while others would melt immediately to the same thing), but those same feminist pissed girls would later flirt and suck up to me. Invitation for more negging of course. I suppose my game was in some ways quite crude then but it got stronger and stronger. Nothing like being able to just shrug shoulders and know that if that girl wasn’t buying it another would. (Which tended to make them nearly all buy it after awhile, if sometimes secretly.)
The law library is actually a dynamite place to pick up law school chicks. Relief from the druggery. Shooting fish in a barrel really. Great disapproval that I wouldn’t let them study and would never be serious anyway. Just completely ignore the disapproval and accusations, well answer the accusation with the above “totally click line” but keep teasing her regardless, in increasingly sexual ways.
Course it helped that I was one of the guys who sat in the back row with a soon tight group of smart but rebellious male (and one female tomboy) friends, but was really good when called upon/challenged in that 1L way. Sometimes without having read the material (sometimes), but being legal reasoning insightful about the case/dilemma anyway (cause it did come easy to me). DHV for law chicks obviously.
Girls would call me a sexist masher or yeah even “sexist pig” (“maybe but I’m an adorable pig don’t you think? And hey not even a little fat. And REAL tall.” “God you’re full of yourself”. “You noticed? Maybe you could be full of me too, if you were nicer to me. Maybe.”), and then secretly step out with me behind their bf’s backs. (“I have a boyfriend.” “I heard. I won’t tell him if you won’t. You can consider me a strictly no obligation trial run.”)
Step out as in ask if they could come over and “study” at my place etc. “Can you cook?” was a good rejoinder.
Her “No.” (feminist lawyer bitches)
D: “then no” (No I didn’t manage to say this the first time I got the no answer. I did the second. I was teaching myself.)
Her: “I can try. I can do some simple things.” (gold, obviously)
D: “alright then. Effort is a big plus with me. Come over at 8. Here’s the address. I can trust you to behave, right?” (smirking)
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”””’Her: “I can try. I can do some simple things.” (gold, obviously)
D: “alright then. Effort is a big plus with me. Come over at 8. Here’s the address. I can trust you to behave, right?” (smirking)
””””
Good stuff.
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Roissy, this set appears to be ideal for HERBGAME. Someone needs to decode herb game since that should require us lesser b’s to do a lot less bad acting than Look At Me I’m Alpha! game.
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Your writing coherence demonstrates this innate quality very well.
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Epoxy–
Heh.
p’wnd alright.
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Asian women stfu when you tell them to and act like little girls on cue. They are obediant and feminine.
Basically, they’re cougars but not old.
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Thursday:
Good Lord. I’m used to reading ridiculous stuff from Beltway libertarians, but this is awful even by their standards.
The most pathetic thing about their whole sorry existence is the way they try to kiss up to the reigning cultural left. What they don’t understand is that as far as the left is concerned, until they join the club and buy the whole leftist agenda, they will be treated with no less hostility and scorn than any other right-wingers whenever they open their mouth about any non-leftist parts of what they advocate. Which they then try to conveniently avoid, of course. What a bunch of pathetic posers.
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I think the answer is, game is always on: but attempted closes -not so much. Besides; there’s more to life than poon tang.
As for libertarians: they all need to go read Burke, because every last one of them is a semi-autistic dimwit who doesn’t understand how human beings are. Freedom comes from discipline and orderly society: not from fighting “social pathologies like patriarchy and nationalism.”
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Doug:
“The thing to keep in mind about small social circle game is that you are GOING to get a reputation. Your job is to shape it. You don’t want to minimize it, or downplay it, actually. You want to maximize it. For maximum scoring you want your reputation to be as a rake, but an honest one.”
100% Agreed.
Since, in groups such as these there are rarely any secrets, you want to push through a rakish devil-may-care persona. As long “it ain’t no thing” to you, most of the girls will not care either.
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“Maybe so. But rushing it will turbo charge your bad but fun boy rep. In tight groups it becomes increasingly easy to game, and more and more arrogantly. Which works even better.”
If you’re saying you did this at law school, that’s a slightly different situation, because of automatic status/ pre-selection. I’m referring to meeting someone who introduces you to a group of people. In such cases, group acceptance is needed before the doors to pussy open up. Groups tend to test you to see if you “belong.”
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This post was the longest rationalization for pussying out that I’ve ever read.
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I think you need to be subtle enough so that you aren’t making anyone uncomfortable, but ‘game’ is just the application of psychological insight. If you apply it appropriately to the situation you can certainly increase your appeal. An obvious ‘neg’ in this situation is not appropriate. For one thing its a somewhat more sophisticated crowd and the best known arrow in the PUA quiver is the ‘neg’. Any obvious ‘neg’ would set off the alarms of any literate person who’s ever read a magazine article about the PUA communiity or seen the VH1 show or read a review of The Game. If you’re not in the mood to ‘run game’ then don’t but it always works if done with the appropriate subtlety and tact.
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“As for libertarians: they all need to go read Burke, because every last one of them is a semi-autistic dimwit who doesn’t understand how human beings are. Freedom comes from discipline and orderly society: not from fighting “social pathologies like patriarchy and nationalism.”
I think there’s a certain gap between rank-and-file and elite libertarians (like the Reason staff, Megan McArdle and this equalist 3rd waver), which is what you’re describing. These idiots rolled out the carpet for Dear Leader in the ’08 election, which in my mind, forever disqualifies them from being taken seriously as intellectual leaders on any topic.
It’s interesting to observe that she got quite a hostile response in the comments.
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