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The 2009 Beta Of The Year Vote »

December 2009 Beta Of The Month

January 13, 2010 by CH

The final candidate of 2009! Tomorrow we reveal the contest for the Beta of the Year.

Last month’s winner, by a healthy margin, was a cuckold who asked his cheating girlfriend on a call-in radio program how he could “make her love him more”. She told him, in essence, to grow a pair, but he proved unable to escape his beta hell vortex. Congratulations to reader Patrick for submitting that vomitous entry.

December coughed up a bumper crop of holiday betas. Must be those long winter nights.

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December 2009 BOTM Candidate #1 was submitted by reader Marko. Fittingly for the times, our featured beta is the cuckold of one of Tiger Woods’ many mistresses. What astounds about this man was how willfully blind he was when his girlfriend informed him that Tiger had given her his number. Just how little does a woman have to respect a man to decide it’s perfectly harmless to tell him a really famous billionaire jock gave her his number? She probably figured he was such a rabid fan of Mr. Woods’ talent for driving to the hole that he wouldn’t put two and two together. She was right.

Derek, 28, a golf fan who used to idolise Woods, said: “I was a massive Tiger fan. I had Tiger Woods memorabilia all over my house and even collected Tiger Woods videos.

“On the night Jamie met him for the first time, I had just bought the new Tiger Woods computer game. The following morning she told me she had met Tiger Woods and he gave her his number – and like an idiot I got really excited about it.

“I even asked her if she could call him so I could get my computer game signed.

“I knew Tiger had come on to her and asked for her number. I knew that he called her whenever he came to Las Vegas.

But she insisted that nothing was going on.”

Self-delusion is likely an evolved trait in humans, but in some people it seems to have evolved beyond the point of usefulness.

Derek said: “She told me she got called over by a ­bouncer who said someone ­important wanted to meet her in the VIP room.

“She said she did not know it was Tiger Woods until she was brought to his table. He ­immediately started ­hitting on her and telling her she was ­beautiful. She told me he asked for her number and gave her his.

“I was surprised because I knew he was married and I didn’t think he was that type of guy. But I trusted Jamie. We had been engaged for over a year then – having first started dating in 2002 – and were head over heels in love.”

The only thing preventing most men from being “that type of guy” is 1. lack of options and 2. violence from aggrieved parties. In modern Western society, number 1 is the primary brake on expressions of pure love. Sure, religion plays some role in curbing the basest instincts of men and women, but the old school hardcore precepts of religion are on the way out, Walmart-ized evangelical fervor notwithstanding to the contrary.

As for the issue of trust, as Reagan so memorably put it, “Trust but verify.” (Commie pinkos and women, more in common than you’d imagine.) I’m no cynic. I bet that Derek and Jamie were head over heels in love when she had her fortuitous encounter with Woods. But, you know, a better deal has a way of putting the vice to virtue.

My favorite quote is the last:

Derek, who is now engaged to another woman, said: “I think Tiger is a great ­competitor on the golf course, but away from it he is a horrible person.

“He should have more respect for himself and his family. I am certainly not a fan of his any more.”

Now that’s alpha. Tear down that life-sized poster of Tiger Woods, Mister Derek!

What saves this guy from the pit of omegatude is his (putatively) wise decision to cut Jamie out of his life and start fresh with a new woman. Or maybe Jamie dumped him after Derek refused to get cross with her for her philandering? The mind reels at the excruciating possibilities.

On a related note, reader Cannon’s Canon wrote:

derek schmidt definitely got played, but really though, what was his alpha move? i don’t think the party line of amused mastery is gonna cut it against a billionaire athlete that she knows you already jock. the only thing i can think of is deleting the number from her phone yourself with a strongarm move, then initiating two hours of domineering jackhammer sex, perhaps in an unconventional room to drill it into her memory. enough to knock her out of commission for a day or so, numbing those gina tingles. this may also have to become standard fare for a while.

so how do you AMOG tiger woods? start playing fight night instead??

Good points. When the AMOG is light years above you in status, and is in fact someone you practically worship, amused mastery won’t save you. A cocky smirk is not going to keep, let’s say, George Clooney, were he so inclined, from seducing and bedding your loyal girl. My advice for handling this  presumably rare scenario, given that you want to run some game on the girl to see if you can turn it around, is to hit her up with a straight shot of the truth:

“Tiger Woods gave you his number last night? Unless proven otherwise, you are a cheater. Here’s the deal. You delete his number and change your phone number so he can never contact you again, or I leave. Before you make your deicsion, let me remind you that should you choose Woods, he will fuck you a few more times then tire of you as he moves onto another concubine in his rotation of regulars. He will never marry you. He will never make you a princess. You will never be more than a whore in his parade of whores. I, on the other hand, once gone am gone for good. I’ll give you fifteen mintues alone to make your deicsion.”

But really, phone number exchange with a celebrity should be instant grounds for dumping a chick. Even if she didn’t cheat with him (unlikely), visions of his celebuface will be dancing in her head every time you two make love.

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December 2009 BOTM Candidate #2 was submitted by reader Ninja Duck. We’ve had a few stories like this one before, but none were as over the top beta as this guy. Ugly, cheating wife drugs, stabs and slits the throat of peabody puffboy husband, then goes to jail. Annnnnd… wait for it… he still loves her. Is it possible to have standards below zero?

A husband whose wife tried to kill him by slitting his throat after plying him with a sex drug said today he still loved her and wanted her freed from prison.

Peter Hale, 43, spoke out after seeing his wife, Joanne, sentenced to six years’ jail after being found guilty of attempted murder.

Hale, 39, was having an ‘affair’ with a married man when she gave Peter a sex drug called ‘Horny Goat Weed’ and lured him to woodland in Bristol. There she cut his throat and stabbed him in the chest before running off.

There is so much wrong with this article. Check out this quote:

Mr Hale was present in court today and was thanked by the judge for supporting his wife.

Maybe I’m missing some important legal precedent here, but why is the judge thanking Hale for “supporting” his deranged, fugly, homicidal whoring wife? Shouldn’t the judge be admonishing Hale to sack up and stop giving aid and comfort to someone who tried to kill him? To go find himself a better woman instead of white knighting like a chump for a waste of flesh? To stop loving someone who so obviously despises him? I guess I’m just not that enlightened in the emanations and penumbras of society’s progressive jurisprudence.

Or maybe there are too many milquetoast manginas in the legal profession.

After the case, Mr Hale said: ‘I hope that she is out as soon as possible. My evidence was very confused and I hope that we have grounds for an appeal. I still love her very much.

‘I am pleased with the comments of the judge and the sentence is probably the best we could have hoped for.’

The court heard that Hale, who has been in custody for 239 days, had made two attempts on her life since being arrested.

Mr Hale had written numerous letters to the court in which he repeated that the incident was not his wife’s fault and that he was willing to forgive her.

He also said his life without her was terrible and he was still deeply in love with her.

“My evidence was very confused”? It’s worse than I thought. So not only does he continue to love his would-be killer, he is working hard to reduce her sentence so that he can sooner leap into her flabby arms to deliver a comforting hug of forgiveness. I can almost hear his words now, as he struggles to allay her guilt for slitting his throat: “No really, honeybunny, I understand you were under a lot of stress. I wasn’t keeping up my end of the chores, or taking you out on romantic dinners. But that’s all going to change now. And let me just add how beautiful it is the way the moonlight sparkles in your pig-like eyes.”

A number of letters from friends handed to the court said Hale was ‘a kind and caring person who would do anything for anyone’.

There’s your problem right there, buddy.

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December 2009 BOTM Candidate #3 was submitted by reader Hitbids. Remember my early post about envisioning all your communications with a girl on a giant Jumbotron screen for mass public viewing? The idea is a simple one. If your words of love would elicit cringes from a studio audience, you are probably doing it wrong. If, on the other hand, you would not be embarrassed by a public viewing of your emails or phone convos or text messages with a girl you are trying to bed, you can be assured she is getting turned on. Well, this candidate failed the Jumbotron test spectacularly. It’s long so I won’t quote it here (I can’t seem to copy/paste from that site anyhow), but you can read the whole thing over here. Quaff an antacid before diving in. It’s a text exchange between a recently dumped man and the ex with whom he’s trying to reinitiate sex. I liked the part when he texted her a random message about the weather forecast. Maybe you ladies are unaware, but when a man texts completely random shit about stuff you know he can’t possibly care about, he’s just worming his way onto your attention radar for eventual sex.

Here’s my favorite line from the dude:

Have you felt the need of getting intimate again? Im at that stage where I feel I can do almost anything! I can be between your legs for as long as you want.

How about 50 years? Because, you know, he’s the kind of guy who won’t have anything else going on.

The chick does not go without blame. She strings him along when she could have simply not responded to any of his attempts at contact. Women like to cry victim in these situations, but the truth is that a lot of them love the attention and power tripping they can get from toying with a needy beta. They’re simultaneously repulsed and addicted to the clumsy pursuits of the sex starved man. Regardless of her complicity, he should know better than to feed her ego, so he earns a spot at the BOTM table.

Also note the girl says she gets turned off by emoticons, something I have admonished against as well.

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  1. on January 13, 2010 at 10:06 am dragnet

    I really, really wanted to vote for the Tiger Woods’ beta…until I read about the next guy. Though I’m not sure he’s so much beta or pussy-whipped as he is mentally unstable. I mean, when a guy is willing to cross the line from being a put upon, obsequious loser to endangering his personal safety I’m not sure you can desribe that as betatude so much as a genuine mental health issue.

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  2. on January 13, 2010 at 10:15 am 3point5

    Can you vote for of them??

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  3. on January 13, 2010 at 10:21 am A-Bax

    1) At least he has the sense to leave the slut-bag.

    2) This guy’s problems seem beyond the alpha-beta masculinity spectrum. He’s a candidate for having a serious mental heath problem, and as such, it feels unfair to have him competing against regular betas. It’s like putting one Special Olympics kid in the regular Olympics.

    This guy’s more straight-up “masochist” than “beta”. For realz.

    3) Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner. This guy’s advertising his betatude in flashing neon lights.

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  4. on January 13, 2010 at 10:23 am CMPitts

    Same here dragnet, but that second guy just took the cake.

    I think it’s time we start euthanizing omegas. It’s the humane thing to do.

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  5. on January 13, 2010 at 10:27 am xsplat

    The first guy is guilty of being inexperienced with women and the human condition. It wasn’t a lack of spine, just a lack of perspicacity.

    The guy who got his throat cut and was quick to forgive and misses the witch, is deep, deep in the hell-hole. The woman is likely heavily BPD, and plays the guy like a fiddle. BPD girls can be fun, but I doubt anyone can maintain mental health around them indefinately. They will tear a guy down, or kill him, unless he escapes. And they don’t brook escape lightly either. Yes, he’s well past being alpha or beta – he’s entered insanity territory – not being able to tell up from down anymore. He let himself become a victim, but the girl masterfully drove him insane.

    Number three is more along the lines of what I consider beta. He’s supplicating for sex. Like a jealous woman who becomes over-bearing, he’s let his emotional impetus run wild with no restraint, which is unattractive, yet he is unaware of his self-sabotage. He thinks he’s just expressing himself. Beta.

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  6. on January 13, 2010 at 10:33 am Polichinello

    Schmidt married a model in Las Vegas. In Las Vegas. If that isn’t a red flag for potential infidelity, I don’t know what is. She’s more beautiful than the average girl and will be entertaining men far more wealthy and powerful than Schmidt probably ever will be. If you’re going to hitch up with that sort of heat, you’d better be the biggest fish in your pond. He should have moved to Peoria, Poughkipsee or whereever the hell he came from.

    Still, #2 takes the prize.

    A-bax has a point. You should break this competition into two: Betas and Omegas.

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  7. on January 13, 2010 at 10:37 am KJW

    The second story fails to cringe and is straight through to sad.

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  8. on January 13, 2010 at 10:40 am C

    First guy isn’t that bad. He lost out to Tiger Woods and did dump the girl.

    Third is stomach-turning and reeks of desperation, but worse tales have been presented in the BotM voting.

    Number two, however, wins it by a country mile. Some fat hag tries to kill her and you want her back? Unreal.

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  9. on January 13, 2010 at 10:42 am J R

    The only thing preventing most men from being “that type of guy” is 1. lack of options and 2. violence from aggrieved parties.

    @shitmydadsays says it best:

    I like See’s candy. Put me in a See’s store, I’m eating candy. The whole world is Tiger’s See’s store, and the candy is vagina.

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  10. on January 13, 2010 at 10:43 am Ovid

    testing 123

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  11. on January 13, 2010 at 10:43 am rock

    the first guy is not even close to the other two imo…. I couldn’t get past the first screen of the third one so he wins

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  12. on January 13, 2010 at 10:52 am Schumpeter

    For some reason losing your girlfriend to a billionaire superstar professional athlete doesn’t have the same sting as being left for, say, a guy who sells cell phones at the mall.

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  13. on January 13, 2010 at 10:53 am Big Mikey

    Dude, #1 was lost in a situation from which very, very few men could hope to recover. A man whose SO is being pursued by a celebrity of that order is pretty much f’d. Not Beta as much as bad luck. He could have provided less Beta quotes, but Tiger’s a tough act to follow.

    #2 is mentally unstable more than Beta. That’s some world class enabling right there.
    #3 is a guy who should be taught better, but is in full possession of his faculties and is socially equivalent to his (former) girl. No excuses here.

    #3 is the BOM

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  14. on January 13, 2010 at 10:55 am Ben Kenobi

    Why was number 1’s wife in a Vegas club without him? That’s pretty beta right there.

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  15. on January 13, 2010 at 10:56 am Seeking Alpha

    Agree with A-Bax. At least #1 dumped the girl and #2 clearly has mental issues. #3 is just pathetic, and also a good case study. There’s not really much #1 could have done differently (except avoid the girl in the first place) whereas almost everything #3 did was wrong.

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  16. on January 13, 2010 at 10:58 am The_King

    Candidate 1 is clearly greater beta. Most betas will not have moved on like that. Instead would have watched Tiger bang the s out their wife, fiancée or gf.

    Candidate 2 wow clearly lesser beta. He is so delusional. His wife is probably getting rammed so hard in every hole while she is awaiting trial. He also wants to take her felon back. Sounds like a huge pussy… situation is reversed though. I can just see his pudgy pathetic beta face. Next time she should use a shotty.

    Candidate 3 close second just because of the comment about staying as long as possible between the legs. An alpha has better things to do. Max should be 15 minutes if she didn’t then she is a frigid bitch.

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  17. on January 13, 2010 at 11:01 am Confidunce

    Numbers 1 and 2 can’t win. Number 1 loses because let’s face it – if Tiger Woods wants to fuck your girlfriend, he’s going to absent some exercise of your Second Amendment rights. Number 2 is clearly insane.

    Number 3 wins because he should fucking know better.

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  18. on January 13, 2010 at 11:01 am John Galt

    #3 for sure.

    #1 is just inexperienced, and besides, he moved on – not too shabby. #2 is too extreme to be a useful object lesson for most of the readers of this blog. #3 is perfect.

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  19. on January 13, 2010 at 11:14 am Eddie A.

    I voted #2 because I imagine that during the trip to the woods he was sitting there excited that he was going to bang his fat cow wife with his horny goat weed enhanced boner.

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  20. on January 13, 2010 at 11:24 am askjoe

    I love the “assume your cheating” advice. But maybe comparing and contrasting her love options is a little too much pleading. But in the speech, we need to recognize that the female mind is fine with being in a harem. Getting a celeb’s number is a boyfriend destroyer. At least this guy got over it and found another chick.
    Whining, pleading #3 is no match for suicidal #2.

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  21. on January 13, 2010 at 11:35 am Forum Lurker

    Submission for January: http://kotaku.com/5446753/theres-a-reason-someones-wife-made-this

    This guy, not only was he a born beta, but his wife was so threatened by any shred of manly dignity remaining that she just had to rub it in.

    Either that or they are both really, really dorky and see no wrong in their actions.

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  22. on January 13, 2010 at 11:39 am Haigh

    I went with #2. These contests, though, are much more intriguing when accompanied by pics or audio. Oh well. I would say the Tiger Woods beta is mostly guilty of improper screening. Had he chosen a wife who doesn’t still slut it up at fancy nightclubs, the situation would never have occurred.

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  23. on January 13, 2010 at 11:40 am DF

    Man, there are some ugly ass motherfuckers up in England. For real. They should have tacked on life imprisonment to her sentence for fugliness or as I like to call it, the fug clause.

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  24. on January 13, 2010 at 11:41 am RTC

    I’m with the people who say #2 is too crazy to be beta. He’s definitely the “pathetic loser of the month,” but he’s a lesser omega who might at least get to bang that monstrous snatch again. This blog focuses on how to get desirable girls – maybe this guy is showing good omega game for getting the dregs of the world.

    I voted for #3 as it’s really the essence of anti-game – he had a reasonably good thing going and blew it with neediness. I think #1 is a good candidate, though – I’m not sure how I’d handle the situation, but you can’t excuse his self-denial just because Tiger is a superalpha. Not every alpha has to handle everything exactly the way Roissy would, but an alpha should recognize the situation and decide how he wants to deal with it. This guy let his girl impose her reality on him. Tiger or no, that’s beta.

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  25. on January 13, 2010 at 11:42 am Velvetgunther

    Second guy, by far.
    The first guy was just a bit naive, and an ordinary guy who lost out to a celeb. He dumped her anyway. He did most of the things right. Most men could have done worse.

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  26. on January 13, 2010 at 11:48 am greenlander

    I really wanted to vote for #2 but he’s obviously just nuts. I let him off by reason of insanity.

    The text messages in #3 made me cringe. You’re right, Roissy: if you’re writing something that could make people cringe, you’re doing something wrong. It was just painful to read.

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  27. on January 13, 2010 at 11:52 am z

    Roissy,
    You may have seen what follows, but I was wondering what your reflections were on this scientific discovery and how it may apply to game in general? In other words how you think a PUA might be able to use this discovery to his malicious advantage for fun, etc? It was revealed to us by a real gem of a resource, but I dont want to give away his name here (lest fembots besiege his site with ranting hate-mail), but I think you might recognize it:
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    Joleen Baughmann, a 39-year-old New Mexico woman, began to experience strange, new sensations following severe injuries sustained in a bad traffic accident. Ms. Baughmann, who suffered a broken back in the accident, began experiencing an insatiable desire to copulate some six months following recovery. She described intense arousal from day to day activities that “would come out of nowhere and completely engulf [her].”………………………

    Ms. Baughmann has been diagnosed with “Restless Genital Syndrome,” a newly named condition that seems to affect only women. According to Dutch physician Marcel D. Waldinger, RGS has numerous causes, including pelvic varices, hormonal changes, PMS and menopause, among other factors. It also often occurs along with restless leg syndrome and an overactive bladder.

    In Ms. Baughmann’s case of RGS, it is suspected that a malfunction in the pudendal nerve is the culprit. The pudendal nerve branches out to the bladder, the perineal region and the penis in men and clitoris in women.

    Although this must be a source of embarrassment and frustration for Ms. Baughmann, it is a rather revealing condition that debunks some of the mystique surrounding female sexuality; apparently women are aroused as easily as men, and perhaps even more so, given the absence of RGS in men.

    As I read the Telegraph article, I recalled Roissy’s “tingleginaceptor,” a hypothesized nerve he suggested was responsible for female sexual arousal. It appears that, once again, Roissy’s intuition was correct, and the tingleginaceptor does indeed exist. Further research into the condition may better reveal its pathways and regions of control in the brain, which could give us a clearer idea of the mechanics of female arousal.

    ————————————————————————–

    Roissy,
    I remember seeing a documenturary years ago that had a short segment on victorian era seamstresses in clothing factories working on old-school pedal sewing machines. They had to pedal the machines with both feet at once, by contracting the glutes, hamstrings, and lower abdominals at the same time while seated. There were so many orgasms being had in these factories that the supervisors could tell if any of the women were having one just by listening to the cadence of her machine’s pedal working faster than her co-workers at any one time. It apparently was a small-scandal at the time. I wonder if the various muscles around the pudendal nerve contracting over and over at the same time stimulates the receptors to the nerve causing a gina-tingle even if the woman does not want to have one? Perhaps the internal pressure in the lower gut when in the presence of fight-or-flight-type fear or exhiliration (being around a true physical or social alpha causes a slight bit of “exciting” fear in almost everyone, as the fear of extreme social reprecussions in incurring their wrath might make these muscles tense in a particular way as to squeeze that nerve?) could stimulate this RSG?
    Perhaps there is a manual way to umm…….stimulate RSG? A party trick that gets gets the user to contract the glutes, hamstrings, and lower abdomen at the same time such as seeing who can look up at the ceiling and walk a DUI-style straight line backwards-and-forewards across a room while not spilling their drink (ha-ha-right?) ? The mind wonders at which possible ways this potential um…….”discovery” could be added to the gaming man’s arsenal. Being as you are constantly involved in social research in your spare time, perhpas in (purely in the interests of science of course), you could attempt to use your well-honed-spidey-senses when it comes to sniffing out the ozone changes in the presence of a gina tingle and experiment with the aid of willing experiemental subjects?

    Im fully are that Im a terrible man btw——-I get that a lot.

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  28. on January 13, 2010 at 11:54 am Taggart

    “I’ll give you fifteen mintues alone to make your deicsion.” as with many of your posts, good advice, but hoping there’s a lot of hyperbole Mr. “Dark Lord”.

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  29. on January 13, 2010 at 12:03 pm Jay Gatsby

    “But really, phone number exchange with a celebrity should be instant grounds for dumping a chick. Even if she didn’t cheat with him (unlikely), visions of his celebuface will be dancing in her head every time you two make love.”

    The worst is when it’s a D-List (douchebag) celebrity hitting on your girl and she falls for it. At least with Tiger Woods she’s playing hide the putter with an A-List one. If your girl accepts another guy’s number or gives him hers, you should consider yourself a dead man walking. There is no reason for your girl to do any kind of number exchange unless she has already rationalized the idea of cheating. A loyal girl would decline a celebrity’s number and refuse to give hers. Were George Clooney to hit on your girl, and your girl turned him down, Clooney might very well pull out a pen and sign a quick autograph as a reward for her loyalty. That’s class. A D-List douchebag would probably call your girl a prude or a frigid-bitch.

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  30. on January 13, 2010 at 12:12 pm Firepower

    Derek, 28, a golf fan who used to idolise Woods, said: “I was a massive Tiger fan. I had Tiger Woods memorabilia all over my house and even collected Tiger Woods videos.

    #1. Worshiping “stars” because of “sports” is childish. It offers no reward. Maybe D-rek wanted even more Tiger memorabilia and/or Holy Relics. Perhaps to collect Tiger’s sperm clump from his gf’s snatch.

    A gratuitous swipe at Christians – too easy. They’re under obligation to turn the other cheek. It’s swiping at kittens in a cage. Now…swiping at Muslims is REAL sport. Your ultimatum monologue, however, is superb.

    #2. Being beta to a warpig doesn’t even register in my world.

    #3. “Maybe you ladies are unaware, but when a man texts completely random shit about stuff you know he can’t possibly care about, he’s just worming his way onto your attention radar for eventual sex.” Wird.

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  31. on January 13, 2010 at 12:13 pm donkeykong

    Another post of support for guy number one. He married a hot model, dumped her when he found out, and his fiancee cheated on him for a billionaire athlete. What he did was not perfect, but he shouldn’t feel any shame about it. I would go as far as to say he may very well be alpha, and certainly is not notably beta. His former fiancee now has her name dragged through the mud in the media and won’t be marrying anyone of quality soon again. She’ll regret it as she ages and as her next boyfriends dump her when they google her, she’ll turn to him, and he’ll have the last laugh.

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  32. on January 13, 2010 at 12:16 pm donkeykong

    To append my previous post, yeah, I must have missed that guy number one had a lot of Tiger Wood paraphernalia. That’s definitely very weird for a grown man to do. He is probably a rich beta, his model fiancee was looking for someone to leach off of for marriage but she got caught up in Tiger’s persona and the excitement not offered by her fiance. All in all, the guy faces some culpability, but he isn’t atrocious.

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  33. on January 13, 2010 at 12:23 pm The Truth

    These contests should be renamed to Omega of the month. Some of these losers are just sad.

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  34. on January 13, 2010 at 12:49 pm omegaman93555

    I understand the arguments for #3 but I still think it has to be #2. #3 isn’t doing anything actually self-destructive, he is just begging. I suspect Nympho would like to keep him on ice for five years in case she doesn’t meet a guy who makes her laugh and decides life as a tax accountant’s wife wouldn’t be that bad. Someday she will be looking at a huge cost to keep her decrepit car running and have regrets.

    #2 is making the fundamental male mistake that this relationship is his *life*, that he is nothing without it. That is essentially the Sodini mistake- my value as a human being is determined by having a woman love me. Frankly this guy is not going to do any better. The simple fact for a certain portion of guys is that a life of video games, porn, and the occasional prostitute- or any solitary male hobbies for that matter- is better than life with a mean, ugly woman. Facing honestly the limitations of your life is the manly thing to do.

    It occured to me the other day most sales training books go way into supplication, they tell you numerous techniques to beg and wheedle the buyer but rarely how to give an impression of higher value. The only thing most salesmen do to impress prospects with their success is to wear excessively expensive suits and among the lower class sort, garish ties and gaudy jewelry. Somebody should do game for salesmen, and game for business and the office.

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  35. on January 13, 2010 at 1:06 pm Carl Sagan

    The last one for sure.

    Can’t go with the first one because other than willful ignorance on part of the guy (hey, Tiger was one of his heroes) he didn’t do anything outlandishly beta. He moved on and found another girl.

    Second guy I can’t really blame because I suspect that there is an issue of mental illness going on in that case. Nobody can be that retarded.

    Third guy was the worst. I urge readers to read the exchange. Textbook beta neediness. Vomit-inducing, really.

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  36. on January 13, 2010 at 1:10 pm aoefe

    Second guy is mentally ill – can’t vote against the disadvantaged.

    Third guy is desperate and shows it – but still doesn’t speak to me as the worst of the worst.

    First guy is the biggest loser for me therefore winner of beta of the month. I don’t care if it’s Tiger Woods, George Clooney or Brad Pitt if your girl says she has his number the reaction isn’t excitement it’s fear first then anger. Fear first because what woman in her right mind wouldn’t have considered the option and especially so because she has the number. Anger next – both at her and the celebrity. Anger might even prompt some alpha men to call the damn celebrity in front of her and say “wtf man – have you no respect??? Take a flying leap of the nearest bridge and I’ll beat your ass the next time your try a stunt like that.” (realize I’m a chick and you guys can be much more graphic than moi). Or as Roissy says just dump her she can’t be trusted.

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  37. on January 13, 2010 at 1:11 pm Cannon's Canon

    i’d just like to spam for a moment with some preemptive campaigning for mr jessica valenti, your 2009 beta of the year.

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  38. on January 13, 2010 at 1:21 pm Cauthon

    Off-topic, but this is a decent article written about women’s neurology.

    http://www.menshealth.com/men/sex-relationships/decode-her/understanding-the-female-brain/article/4ebaad055c2c1110vgnvcm20000012281eac

    Page 4 is especially good, I think. Apparently oxytocin causes levels of trust to increase and prevents the part of her brain that inhibits risky behavior from getting triggered.

    Now it’s up to us to figure out the best ways to induce oxytocin in women’s brains.

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  39. on January 13, 2010 at 1:25 pm Tarl

    Derek, who is now engaged to another woman, said: “I think Tiger is a great ­competitor on the golf course, but away from it he is a horrible person.

    Talk about failure to learn from experience!

    Fool me once, shame on you…

    Maybe I’m missing some important legal precedent here, but why is the judge thanking Hale for “supporting” his deranged, fugly, homicidal whoring wife? Shouldn’t the judge be admonishing Hale to sack up and stop giving aid and comfort to someone who tried to kill him? To go find himself a better woman instead of white knighting like a chump for a waste of flesh? To stop loving someone who so obviously despises him?

    What would a judge say to a battered wife who “supported” a husband who tried to kill her, I wonder?

    I had to go with #2 here.

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  40. on January 13, 2010 at 1:29 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    #2, wanting her back isn’t always mental issues. Some Christian religions teach to forgive to build a stronger bond. Some of these religious people reason if forgiveness for a simple sin builds a stronger relationship, forgiving an attempted murder means the bond will be indestructible.

    Also, for some divorce is forbidden in their religion.

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  41. on January 13, 2010 at 1:31 pm Madras

    Roissy…The fact that you see #1 as beta, really says something about your outlook.

    What are you getting at with his nomination…that relationship in general are beta?

    That no one should have interest or hobbies because there is an off chance that someone they are a fan of may hit on their sig. other?

    #1 might have made an interesting discussion post on its own…but the guy doesn’t show any truly beta colors.

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  42. on January 13, 2010 at 1:32 pm Jack

    First off, welcome back Roissy!

    I hope you’ll consider being as much of an MRA as a PUA in 2010….that IMBRA law can be overturned in 3 days if we can only find 1 human being to lend their full name and physically stand in a US courtroom and do the filings.

    Your blog can help with that. With an alpha male lawyer who wouldn’t be afraid to show that the law is about stopping younger competition for older US feminists, it would cost $8000. The winning argument would be that the Right to Assembly includes the natural law right to say hello to any foreign woman and that IMBRA causes practical problems in that foreign women who don’t have email on their cell phones aren’t going to be able to instantly verify for the US government they read a man’s background check, causing delays that literally block US men from meeting women when they spend 3 day vacations in other countries.

    Anyway, my votes for BOTM December:

    Analysis:

    #1) His main Beta problem was that he showed to a woman that he looked up to sports figures. This is lethal. I don’t know why so many US males don’t get that. When we American men collectively think we are being macho and play up the local pro ball team, all we are doing is COMMANDING local 15-25 year olds to go have sex with the team members. We are giving them higher status by being fans. Stick to honoring soldiers and Marines and Airmen and Sailors. If she likes music, it is OK to honor an old composer. If she likes literature, it is OK to adore a dead author or a 75 year old Kurt Vonnegut. But don’t look up to a virile man under 55.

    BTW, I would ask my GF to call Tiger Woods in my presence and ask if she could bring me along to whereever he wants to meet. I wouldn’t blame her for taking the number, but her unwillingness to phone him in my presence would be what could blow things up. If I wasn’t serious about her, and I probably wouldn’t be, I would work with her to get his help in arranging an orgy among ourselves. 😉

    #2 Mentally sick Omega. I posted this on Twitter a while back.

    #3 No guy should EVER use SMS (Text) to deal with a problem that clearly needs to be discussed verbally. Texting is for arranging details that don’t require big decisions and sex or even a date itself is too big a decision ot leave to texts. I always call to arrange an actual date. Texting would be appropriate to say I am late by 10 minutes.

    So who do I give the award to, 1 or 3? A mediating factor in #3 is that women commenters to that woman’s blog clearly felt that ANY attempt by a man to analyze a relationship that is already over is wrong.

    This reflects a feminist desire to control men by saying it is “creepy” to want to find out what had happened. I think it is alpha to learn details from a past relationship so you don’t make the same mistake in the future. So I don’t want to help define men as weak for doing analysis.

    In #3’s case, he was clearly just begging for sex by texting, where the texting part was wrong (verbally, his directness about sex could have gone over better). He also admitted to going off on that Indian woman who hadn’t done anything wrong and he apparently asked this woman WHILE HE WAS IN HER BED why she didn’t like him. Sounds like a totally insecure beta bordering on omega (she liked the sex which keeps him in beta territory at least).

    Women don’t like men who get insecure about why a text or email wasn’t answered quickly. However, a man does have a right, in the end, to recognize that something is wrong if he really is being ignored.

    Nothing wrong with emoticons. No need to date a bitch who would reject a man for using them.

    So, because #2 was Omega and #3 was borderline Omega for not only messing up with this woman but for getting so insecure about his Indian female friend, I am going to vote for #1 for not knowing that we American men have got to stop building the value of sports figures in the eyes of the sexiest American women.

    If you traveled a lot you would see that American women are more into viewing athletes as sex symbols than the women of other countries. American men participated in making that sick trend happen.

    I date in Eastern Europe partly because of this. Russian women adore poets and dead authors (sure, some gorgeous young coeds dream of sex with Putin, but that is another topic).

    The kind of woman I date here in Eastern Europe would be hunting down pro athletes in the USA. I know because when I try to date my type in New York or LA, they TELL me that they are seeking pro athletes.

    Which segways into a New Year’s resolution Roissy and others here might make: Why bang your head against a brick wall trying to seduce American feminist women, with partial or short term success, where you are guaranteed to be a small fish in a big status pond regardless of your game?

    It is not macho to try to play in the big leagues when your competition really ARE in the big leagues literally. It is not weak to say this. It is looking at reality. It is not dishonorable to say “I will live in Brazil and date gorgeous 18 year olds until I am a millionaire and can get the same quality 18 year olds in the USA as I can here”.

    Move to a culture where you are literally the big leagues. While Roissy says that game is worth $2 million, you also have to have $2 million in the USA if you want to have a tight dating schedule of 18-22 year olds after you pass age 35.

    Life is too short to do otherwise. Don’t think like Roissy said in October “When I get older, I want the option of going the foreign bride route”. How much older does he have to get? Logically, why would you turn down having a gorgeous 18 year old now because you are still *young enough* to date some 27 year old feminist in Boston or DC?

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  43. on January 13, 2010 at 1:36 pm aoefe

    @anonymouses anonymous – “#2, wanting her back isn’t always mental issues.”

    For me #2’s mental issues have WAY more to do with suicide attempts – that’s not normal behavior for even the most heart broken.

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  44. on January 13, 2010 at 1:42 pm Jason

    #1 Not only left his old fiance, he found a new one. Presumably if he can convince two girls to marry him, he can’t be doing that bad. Losing to super alpha Tiger Woods doesn’t make him beta by default.

    #2 Is a contender for beta of the year.

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  45. on January 13, 2010 at 1:43 pm Jack

    Also: in the USA a woman has to be 21 to get into a bar. For those of us who date 18, 19 and 20 year olds, it would be at cross purposes to look for women in bars notwithstanding that many of the younger women will use fake IDs.

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  46. on January 13, 2010 at 1:44 pm Patrick

    “…enough to knock her out of commission for a day or so, numbing those gina tingles.”

    Great point. The pragmatic logistical effect of fucking your girl like the whore she craves to be (or is) is to prevent her from exercising her joyous debasement with another man she knows only views her as a whore and who would reliably deliver such a rush of excitement.

    If you convincingly call her your whore while doing it, this will solidify her bond to you. This really is the ultimate intimacy.

    Had BOTM Candidate #3 simply acted within this ethos and texted with “Lets fuck sometime, old flame” he would’ve set things in motion.

    I agree with the commentary excluding #2 from the running because he’s so clearly a genetically-supercharged omega with acute psychological problems. Basically, he’s the Caster Semenya of BOTM — he takes the gold, but really shouldn’t be in the race at all.

    Candidate #1 rightly calls himself an idiot for his past behavior, but I suspect that something like this was going to happen anyway, ending with the same result: his fiancée fucked by another guy, albeit one significantly less noteworthy than Tiger Woods.

    This line stood out to me: “We had been engaged for over a year then – having first started dating in 2002”

    So he’s balls-deep in a 5 year LTR with a year-long engagement — essentially earmarked for provider-beta status. No wonder she was in rut for the Tiger the same night she met him. She correctly (and unconsciously) gambled that her boyfriend’s pedastalization of both herself AND her alpha interloper would give him plenty of reason to ignore his own instincts about her.

    But what’s especially troubling is that instead of taking the opportunity to call his former fiancée a well-played slutfiddle and attention whore, he reserves his petty ire for Mr. Woods and chastises him for being “that type of guy,” and for not “respecting” himself or his family. Its almost an encapsulated form of Whiskey’s marriage-as-civilization-prerequisite argument.

    This guy can’t even imagine the level of self-respect Tiger Woods was enjoying while performing irrumatio upon Derek’s wife-to-be mere minutes after having introduced himself to her.

    And that’s why Derek’s engaged, yet again. He’s a classic “there are social rules” beta, setting himself up.

    At least #3 was massively failing while trying to score post-fling pussy only.

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  47. on January 13, 2010 at 1:44 pm Rollo Tomassi

    I was going to vote for #2 until I read the whole dialog for #3. The guy literally begs for sex repeatedly – BETA.

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  48. on January 13, 2010 at 2:09 pm Jack

    I am not sure if #1 was in his 5th year of an LTR because he wanted to marry the woman or he was just using up her 20s before moving onto someone else. He won my vote because he clearly hadn’t thought of offering Tiger his woman in exchange for two of Tiger’s other women in the best penthouse suite in Vegas. He wins in my book because he was too stupid to immediately have her call Tiger in his presence.

    I met a gorgeous married woman once who invited me to lunch and said her husband was in the car outside and then talked about how they go camping at the local nude beach, etc. It turned out that she wanted an affair where the husband would be an observer and benefit from my personality in garnering other women for him. Lots of married guys want to find a trade exchange. If Tiger wanted this guy’s woman badly enough and she was tempted by that, her man would be in a bargaining position to share Tiger’s other women.

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  49. on January 13, 2010 at 2:43 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Looks like 2 is running away with it.

    1 is just bad luck.

    2 he seems more mentally ill than beta.

    3 is fucking hilarious. WIN!

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  50. on January 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm 11minutes

    I disagree with the notion that #2 is just mentally disordered (let alone a masochist). He is just an extreme case of what (low status) men are capable of.

    Women do similar things. They write mass murderers love letters and ask for marriage. They fall in love with their kidnappers. They return to guys prone to domestic abuse. Yet, we all know they are mentally sane. They are just extreme examples of the kinds of irrational behavior that female sexuality leads to.

    Ditto here. The guy has one-itis, simple as that. Guys kill in the delusion of “never finding another girl (like that)”. Once that belief gets internalized, (the threat of) separation from the only source to affection and sex in your life becomes unbearable. That is why he takes physical harm. It’s like a junkie doesn’t mind the stings and infections from the syringes that deliver the H.

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  51. on January 13, 2010 at 2:58 pm Sparks123

    Remember my early post about envisioning all your communications with a girl on a giant Jumbotron screen for mass public viewing? The idea is a simple one. If your words of love would elicit cringes from a studio audience, you are probably doing it wrong.

    Another rule that this guy repeatedly broke (not that it would have helped him) is that a guy should never ask questions through text. Only make statements and make them interesting. No “hello” or “hi.”

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  52. on January 13, 2010 at 3:04 pm Madras

    Sparks123,

    I have heard the no-question thing before, but kind of disagree.

    I tracked the results over a few months of “want to get a drink after work?” with “lets get a drink after work” and “we are getting a drink after work.”

    The question had the best results, with the more passive “lets get a drink finishing a close second” and the overly assertive “we are getting a drink…” finishing last by a mile.

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  53. on January 13, 2010 at 3:06 pm Madras

    …now the above being said, once I got a yes answer I always followed up with “when, where”…and I NEVER put that in question form at all.

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  54. on January 13, 2010 at 3:06 pm Madras

    sorry for the third in a row post, but by “when, where” I mean an actual place and time…not those words. IE “Liberty Tavern, 7:30”

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  55. on January 13, 2010 at 3:08 pm wattsmith

    God… candidate number 2’s wife is so ugly.
    Who fucks these people?
    And ugly, murdering bitch. Don’t trust that ho.

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  56. on January 13, 2010 at 3:08 pm Some Anon

    For a moment I thought noone was going to give the most obvious answer to guy#1’s conundrum, until I read Jack’s comment.

    First and foremost, you should not marry, specially to a lustful, capricious girl. Monogamy is more than enough in these times we live in.

    Then, if my lustful, whimsy, non-wife but yet exclusive girl, gets the hots for a celebrity that I myself admire, what can best than a 3-some? Your chick gets her fantasy and you can hi-5 your idol while you both are sandwiching her.

    In fact it’s not necessary to actually do it, merely the act of suggesting it can demonstrate your girl that you don’t fucking care.

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  57. on January 13, 2010 at 3:10 pm Roger

    @Some Anon and Jack,

    I like the way you guys thin, but why would Tiger agree to that?

    He doesn’t need to negotiate with you.

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  58. on January 13, 2010 at 3:10 pm hiphopanonamous

    I voted #3, mainly because after the first line I knew it was a no-go. He was only digging his hole deeper. He was the “lonely man on the corner.”

    #1 could have taken some preventive steps (not idolizing, not putting up with her telling him that she gave Tiger her number) but he was just caught in a bad situation. Celebrities notwithstanding, I feel like I’ve been in his shoes before — right on alpha/beta line, plenty of attraction from other girls, not good at keeping around who I want.

    #2…..dude is fucked up.

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  59. on January 13, 2010 at 3:16 pm Cannon's Canon

    “If she likes literature, it is OK to adore a dead author or a 75 year old Kurt Vonnegut.”

    or Salman Rushdie… oops

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  60. on January 13, 2010 at 3:22 pm Some Anon

    Roger: so true. If you have some social skills you can lead other men too, but sometimes it’s not that easy. If Tiger wants to screw you, he of course can. Though he might not. Who knows?

    However, from your girl’s perspective, this situation is different. I speak from experience here, that’s why I’m commenting anonymously (first time commenting on roissy but I comment in other similar blogs). I have done MFM & FMF with my current partner, both types being very different circumstances, and both very fun on their own.

    In MFM, the thing is that the chick can live her fantasy, without cheating on you. She can have her cake and eat it too, and no bad feelings after it, so it’s a very good proposition for her. So she can be your accomplice in the endeavor. And usually calibrated guys can detect when a couple is making these kind of advances. If the guy is not a moron, he usually does not fuck it up by creating drama between the couple.

    However in my experiences there have been no A-list celebrities involved, and we both were physically present when we first met the other persons, which helps leading the interaction in the direction you want. Tiger’s mileage may vary a lot, so who knows?

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  61. on January 13, 2010 at 3:30 pm Faolán

    #2 wins it.

    #1 redeemed himself by dumping the whore.

    #3 is pretty bad, but ultimately he’s just begging a (presumably attractive) ex for sex. He doesn’t sink to the depths of “supporting” the whale who tried to kill him.

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  62. on January 13, 2010 at 3:40 pm dragnet

    “@Some Anon and Jack,

    I like the way you guys thin, but why would Tiger agree to that?

    He doesn’t need to negotiate with you.”

    I think Jack and Anon were presuming you have still have leverage in the form of Tiger wanting your girl. If your girl doesn’t want to act as your leverage—but still wants to get in touch with Tiger—then you would just break it off with her forthwith. It’s win-win as far as I’m concerned.

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  63. on January 13, 2010 at 4:04 pm Roger

    Dragnet,

    I just can’t see that actually happening in real life. Its way too rational. In real life, your girl squeels “no thats creepy and gross, I just won’t see Tiger” and then she goes and sees Tiger behind your back.

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  64. on January 13, 2010 at 4:05 pm Tarl

    Anonymouses Anonymous

    #2, wanting her back isn’t always mental issues. Some Christian religions teach to forgive to build a stronger bond. Some of these religious people reason if forgiveness for a simple sin builds a stronger relationship, forgiving an attempted murder means the bond will be indestructible.

    Also, for some divorce is forbidden in their religion.

    In short, religion is purposely designed to keep betas in line and make them think their slavery is divinely sanctioned.

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  65. on January 13, 2010 at 4:13 pm punch drunk

    I voted number 2 but he is most certainly mentally unstable.

    I really should have voted for the last guy as he was (and i would bet is) a complete and utter pussy.

    My sympathy goes out to guy no 1 as he was clearly outgunned, but he didnt drop balls and take her back.

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  66. on January 13, 2010 at 4:13 pm Tazzy Bee

    after reading your article – #2
    after reading the ENTIRE txt/email conversation between Dom and Vix – #3

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  67. on January 13, 2010 at 4:15 pm dragnet

    “I just can’t see that actually happening in real life. Its way too rational. In real life, your girl squeels “no thats creepy and gross, I just won’t see Tiger” and then she goes and sees Tiger behind your back.”

    That’s why you demand that she act as leverage—or remove his number from her phone, and you take her to go get a new phone (and a new number) immediately. If she acts as leverage then you win, and if she doesn’t you’re rid of her.

    I think it’s pretty solid.

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  68. on January 13, 2010 at 4:21 pm dragnet

    Obviously, you wouldn’t get this drastic with any alpha trying to move-in on your girl—only with a guy so far above you in social status that anything less than a total power move would leave your position in considerable jeopardy.

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  69. on January 13, 2010 at 4:26 pm Some Anon

    The thing here is not devising every possible way the situation can go wrong and end up with her cheating, and trying to prevent each of these circumstances.

    People cheat. The only sure way to make her not cheat would be to lock her up and put an armed eunuch at the door. And not even then you’d be 100% sure.

    Besides, too much worrying breaks inner game putting you in an undesirable state. Paranoia is not an attractive trait.

    You can’t control other people’s action, you only can control your own. So the most you can do is: behave alpha, keep her well attracted, give her the least incentive to cheat, and if she strays, dump her.

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  70. on January 13, 2010 at 4:34 pm dragnet

    “So the most you can do is: behave alpha, keep her well attracted, give her the least incentive to cheat, and if she strays, dump her.”

    I think in this case though, you have a unique opportunity to seize the control of the situation before she strays—because you’ve become aware that she has the celebrity’s number. Upon obtaining this intelligence you can, A) attempt to leverage her to get to the girls around Tiger, B) sever the communication link between two by taking her to get a new phone and deleting his number, or C) dumping her on the spot if she refuses to do A or B. And even if (A) is successful you will still dump your girl in the end because she has whored herself with an alpha far above you in status, and there is no way she will ever be able to content herself with you after something like that.

    So I disagree—you can do so much more in this situation because you’ve become aware that she has his contact info. Now, if you’d had no clue they’d ever met then that’s a different story altogether.

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  71. on January 13, 2010 at 4:41 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Beta Number Two. She tried to KILL him. ‘Nuff said.

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  72. on January 13, 2010 at 4:52 pm Phenomenal One

    Watching a reality tv show featuring White Knighting

    Guy #1 is screamin at a woman when Guy #2 shows up with a friend and tells Guy #1 to keep it down.

    Guy #1’s crew shows up from around the corner and one of em hits Guy #2 with a suckerpunch.
    The crew circle around Guy #2 and he gets hit with a 2nd suckerpunch that knocks em out.

    Guy #1, his crew and the woman he was tryin to save leave the scene.

    His jaw and eye socket are fractured and these days he has problems with his jaw.

    Funny as Hell

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  73. on January 13, 2010 at 5:25 pm whiskey

    I voted like Ferdinand Bardamu. She did try to kill him. Very beta.

    Also, good points on the beta-ization of fandom for famous jocks and so on. That would include rock musicians, and the like. Any gal will cheat if she can get away with it (or thinks she can) with any kind of guy, who has a modicum of fame. This would include even the lamest of reality show “stars” or D-list celebrities (like say, Corey Feldman).

    While Beta Candidate #2 may have gotten married again (big mistake) I don’t think this is ultimately sustainable — its just one more aspect of the collapse of marriage and women’s sexual utopia — matriarchy and anarchy. I’m actually shocked some celebrity has not gotten whacked by a revenge-seeking beta. I am sure it will inevitably happen though.

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  74. on January 13, 2010 at 5:29 pm Kasimir

    Good call on the emoticons. Me, I only use them if they’re racist or anti-semitic.

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  75. on January 13, 2010 at 6:07 pm Gx1080

    #1, just reels of romantic naivety and he went against a ZOOpastar. This is a lesson for him, besides he dumped the cheating whore.

    #3, is pathetic, but I have seen way more pathetics suplics for attention. And Roissy, do you honestly belive that there’s women who don’t KNOW what’s behind the random talk of unimportant shit? LOL.

    #2. She tried to KILL him. And he WANTS HER BACK. Can’ add anything to that.

    #2 for a landside.

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  76. on January 13, 2010 at 6:35 pm Zach Sack

    these contests are stupid… one is either beta or one is not… like pregnancy… only a beta thinks in terms of ‘degrees of beta.’

    if you have a poster of tiger woods hanging in your room, or want your tiger woods video game autographed, you’re already a beta… anything that happens to you afterwards is just chance… i.e. merely the function of other external circumstances

    i’d go so far as to say anyone who plays video games for fun or who watches sports for fun is a beta… but that’s cuz i’m an alpha.

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  77. on January 13, 2010 at 6:50 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    @ Kasimir

    Where can I find those?

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  78. on January 13, 2010 at 7:41 pm Kev

    What makes he tiger woods botm a beta o the month, dude isn’t alpha but I don’t really see how he is so amazingly beta as to be a candidate

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  79. on January 13, 2010 at 7:43 pm lurker

    How about Zunder? He got rejected by Bessie for the Brahma Bull.

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  80. on January 13, 2010 at 7:56 pm Factory

    I don’t know… #2 sounds a LOT like the consequence of denying that DV happens to men. I’m no Psychiatrist, but that behaviour looks an awful lot like someone who has been conditioned into desperately needing someone’s approval (all the better to control you with, my dear…). That, and the fact that the legal system does not, ever it seems, prosecute marital violence as DV when the woman is the perp.

    Not that there’s any services for male victims in any case….

    Because it looks this way to me, I’m gonna have to exclude him from the possibles…

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  81. on January 13, 2010 at 9:01 pm Avinguda Diagonal

    i would like voting for tiger woods himself, as the right-in candidate.

    a living legend acting such, it is a disgrace…

    where would i to begin ??

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  82. on January 13, 2010 at 10:40 pm Advocatus Diaboli

    Internet Trolls..

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1926079

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  83. on January 13, 2010 at 10:49 pm ironrailsironweights

    Time for a tasty treat!

    Peter

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  84. on January 14, 2010 at 1:20 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””“On the night Jamie met him for the first time, I had just bought the new Tiger Woods computer game. The following morning she told me she had met Tiger Woods and he gave her his number – and like an idiot I got really excited about it.

    “I even asked her if she could call him so I could get my computer game signed.

    “I knew Tiger had come on to her and asked for her number. I knew that he called her whenever he came to Las Vegas.

    But she insisted that nothing was going on.”
    ””””””””””””

    Yea the mistake he made was trusting his woman which I mean it should be reasonable to do but when they tell you that he called her when he came to your town lol wtf
    I guess she was partly honest.

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  85. on January 14, 2010 at 1:44 am JC

    Can anyone help me out with this? I’m perplexed.

    So I fucked one girl (last night) and got a BJ from another (two nights ago).

    BJ GIRL:
    25, schoolteacher, about a 6.5 – ok face, nice body, great tits. Date 1: I meet her for coffee halfway between us (met her on a dating site), then we walked around, grabbed dinner, walked her to her car, made out with her.
    She texted me thanking me for a great evening, I texted back saying was fun, lets do it again.
    Date 2: she drives over to me, brings a bottle of wine, I cook dinner, make my move, we end up in bed where I get the BJ and we do everything else but sex.
    Next day I txt her saying my schedule is busy but I’ll call her when I know my schedule. No response.
    Day after I call her, goes to voicemail, say hey figured out my schedule let’s get together saturday. I didn’t plan on contacting again without a response.
    Later that night, she responds, in text, with: “Hey, actually this weekend is not good for me…i have monday off so i am actually going out of town, sorry.”
    I respond with, “no prob, have a good time.” Not going to contact her again cause she didn’t counter with another time to meet up, and her lack of timely responses.
    WTF happened there?
    (for the record, i wasn’t that into her personality wise, but we had a good enough time to see each other again and screw around)

    SEX GIRL:
    Same kinda scenerio, we met up for coffee, kiss close, date #2 she comes over brings a bottle of wine I cook, ends up in bed where we have sex, I even spank her some.
    I texted her today, “yesterday was fun, I gotta spank you again soon I know you’ve been bad ;)”
    No response, don’t plan on contacting her again. Again I wasn’t so into her personality wise, but wouldn’t mind at all getting together for a roll in the hay.

    I’m kinda weirded out. I got two girls in bed (and it went fine there, that’s not the problem at all) really quick, then this is happening.

    What’s the deal?

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  86. on January 14, 2010 at 2:40 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’I cook”””

    Yea we might have a winner on that one.

    Might want to let her do cooking while you watch family guy or something.

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  87. on January 14, 2010 at 2:47 am JC

    Gs: No.

    #1: I like my own food better than someone else’s
    #2: She has to come completely to me
    #3: it’s at my place
    #4: it’s got strong sexual undertones
    #5: alcohol is involved
    #6: it’s cheap

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  88. on January 14, 2010 at 3:05 am Jack

    Kev,

    #1 was a Beta for a) having a poster of his competition hanging on his wall to worship, b) wanting Tiger to give him his autograph via his gf and c) allowing his gf to refuse to contact Tiger on his behalf and in front of him and d) not at least playfully suggesting that she help him get introduced to Tiger’s other women in a trade.

    My experience says that, if the gf was really thinking of sex with another man, she would be easily swayed to “legitimize” this by agreeing to the couple swap idea. That way she could eat her cake and have it too…while her bf and Tiger get the same deal. It would be win-win for everyone.

    While #3 clearly needs to be sent to a Reeducation Camp (I am not kidding, we need to set those up like Hogwarts Academies in mountainous redoubts around the world), I did not vote for #3 because it would also be seen by some as a vote for the anti-male feminist Electronic Judgmentalism in the USA that I could write a book about.

    If you read the comments to the transcript of #3 you will see feminists knee-jerking about how just about every male is like #3 – because these men might argue using texting or email and feminists look down on men who argue. They also feel that women have no moral obligation to explain a breakup so its OK for a woman to write a one-sentence email to a man after 3 dates saying “it didn’t work out between us. good luck” and, if he tries to find out where her mind is at, she will deeply disrespect that.

    A real man will try to find out where her mind was at and benefit (with the next woman) from the answers he manages to squeeze out of her (it is like pulling teeth).

    For instance, I found out from one woman after a vicious email exchange was that her friend at the bank had accessed my records and learned I was older than I said I was. The lesson I gleaned from the bitter exchange in which she finallly revealed the truth was that I now refuse to give my real name or the name of my bank to an American woman before sex.

    PUAs need to get with the MRA program in understanding that, with most American women judgmentalists, it is less the fault of the man if she rejects him than her own entitled sense of her dating value (given to her by feminists and male feminist enablers).

    #3 may have done well if he called her. It is a mistake to text any request for a date or booty call. Women see that as weak. Calling is what strong men do. All of us have gotten antsy when we were ignored on an important text and I could see myself pissing that woman off if I did not understand that she had suddenly decided to take a 3 hour midday nap. But I would have tried to call, not write another text.

    The woman was correct to note that #3 had a pattern of insecurity and this is why she rejected him.

    However, she may also reject a great guy just for his not having understood she was taking a nap and not ignoring him.

    I got rejected once for calling a woman on a Friday morning and not knowing that her grandmother had died and the funeral was on Sunday. She just told me she would call me Friday night. When she didn’t call even all day Saturday, I got rattled and texted and called her during the funeral!

    And I got blamed for being too antsy and insecure!

    I didn’t know about the death much less the funeral. I only knew she had told me she would call Friday night.

    This happened in a feminist West European country. I moved east after that.

    A friend in NYC got rejected for leaving a PostIt note at a woman’s cubicle (they worked at the same company). She thought that made him look needy and overstepping his bounds. In the USA, you are a stalker if you send flowers if she is not sexually attracted to you.

    PUAs need to be careful not to promote this kind of paranoid, dangerous, entitled attitude, even as they recognize the behaviors where the man really does look needy or negative.

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  89. on January 14, 2010 at 3:57 am Jack

    An MRA concentrates on removing the anti-male attitudes from society (along with laws like IMBRA) that cause aging US women who only have 3 or 4 years more of being sexy to reject guys that they should see as too good for them or able to get much better women than themselves.

    A pure PUA concentrates on validating that woman’s sense of entitlement and arrogance by implying that most men who get rejected just didn’t “measure up” (apply game properly).

    See the difference?

    In 2010, let’s see more PUA/MRA combos out there. Don’t let this Nympho blogger get off scott free in her condemnation of #3.

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  90. on January 14, 2010 at 7:28 am SDaedalus

    #1 because he is incapable of learning from his mistakes. See additional extract from the Daily Mirror article below:

    “She told me he asked for her number and gave her his. Later we both called Tiger’s number, putting her mobile on speaker phone.

    “I still remember his answer machine message. It said, ‘You’ve called the right person at the wrong time. Please leave a message.’ I thought that was pretty cool.”

    “I put his number in my phone and took it to work to show my colleagues.

    “I played them all the same answerphone message. They were tripping out.”

    I bet they were. However he still doesn’t appear to have worked out why.

    Nor does he appear to have worked out that his ex-girlfriend is a skank. See http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/tiger-woods-fourth-girl-jamie-jungers/story-e6frewyr-1225807385872, last paragraph [only the Australians had strong enough stomachs to print this part of the interview]

    Plus – he’s just got engaged again. Well, at least he’s an optimist.

    In fairness to #3, at least he knows he’s done something wrong and is trying to improve – although he’s not really going the right way about it. Plus – evidence provided is secondary only, and women are master of selective embellishment when discussing an ex-boyfriend. There’s a reasonable doubt here.

    #2 is completely off the scale. Not beta but zeta (though I have a suspicion that he’s shamming and only wants her free to wreak a dreadful revenge). Insanity defence.

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  91. on January 14, 2010 at 8:00 am Phenomenal One

    @SDaedalus

    Thanks for the additional info

    It’s never good to be a fanboy, hell even a HUGE fan of someone. you’re basically puttin that person on a pedestal and worshipping them (like a Beta does with the woman in his life).

    You can be a fan, but there’s a limit.

    The ex-husband was a fanboy

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  92. on January 14, 2010 at 8:01 am SDaedalus

    JC

    You texted back too quickly indicating yr wish to meet up again. Give them a day or two to wonder why they haven’t heard from you & they will appreciate yr text more when received. Over-eagerness kick-starts the female brain into what’s wrong with him mode. No idea why this is, but can guarantee this is the case. Less eagerness= what’s wrong with me mode = more appreciation of yr text when received.

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  93. on January 14, 2010 at 8:09 am SDaedalus

    Fanboys are fundamentally insincere – that’s why. The human ego is incapable of ever believing another human being to be perfect. Fanboyism is just an attempt to get laid.

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  94. on January 14, 2010 at 9:07 am Anonymous

    Man, this is eery!

    Am meeting up with my own GF later to discuss some issues – she’s got some things, she wants to say – meanwhile, I’ve checked her phone, and a month ago she gave some guy her number because he wanted to invite her over Facebook to some event, and she gave it to him. He texted her twice, but she never replied.

    Should I punk her for this?

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  95. on January 14, 2010 at 9:48 am SDaedalus

    As long as you’re not forwarding his texts to friends to admire or vicariously making love to him through your girlfriend (#1’s admiration of Tiger seems to have been dangerously close to the love that dare not speak its name) you’re streets ahead of #1. Depends on the event and (dare I say it) the girl. If she’s a Vegas showgirl, and the event is at 4 a.m in Caesar’s Palace, I think you can presume the worst. By the way, why is he contacting her by phone to invite her over facebook to an event? Why not just message her via facebook?

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  96. on January 14, 2010 at 10:41 am Trouble

    “Next day I txt her saying my schedule is busy but I’ll call her when I know my schedule. No response.”

    This.

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  97. on January 14, 2010 at 11:20 am JC

    SD – that may be a piece of the puzzle, at least after I fuck them. A next day msg after I MEET them has gone over well so far. I should give it a couple days after I fuck them to let everything settle.

    I was talking to my alpha friend, and we deconstructed it into the following 2 possibilities:

    1) I wasn’t that into them personality wise and, like a reflection, they wasn’t that into me personality wise which they realized as things escalated;

    2) I used a 100% sexual vibe with them 2nd date, moved things really fast, and a lot of girls afterwards will go crazy, think they want a boyfriend not a fuckbuddy

    It might be a combination of the two.

    This has also happened to my buddy. A 8.5 was extremely into him, he made her come over to his house, they went out drank and she ended up giving him a BJ. They didn’t get together for a week or two, then she very reluctantly came over and wanted to put things back to SQUARE ONE – maybe kissing, not much more than that. He said fuck it and shittalked her and it was over. But he blames that situation on escalating too fast which made her go crazy.

    If I want to see them again, I might have to tone down the 100% sexual vibe and give a bit more of a boyfriend vibe, and maybe not escalate QUITE so quickly on date 2.

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  98. on January 14, 2010 at 11:21 am JC

    “If I want to see them again” being the next generalized female, not these two which is over.

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  99. on January 14, 2010 at 1:15 pm Ruth

    JC

    I was just thinking maybe you were too easy a lay. They may have been studying game and decided to pump & dump you LOL

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  100. on January 14, 2010 at 8:02 pm joel

    I voted #3, but, after reading these comments, I think that #1 really demonstrates what is wrong with most American beta men. He trusted his woman. He trusted another man regarding his woman. But, he didn’t forgive her. Many betas would have.

    Been there and done that, back when the term beta was unknown to me, but living the beta life-style.

    I think #1 therefore should be given the most notoriety, not because he was the worst, but because his faults are universal in beta males.

    I happen to know 1/2 of a couple just like this. The woman is young and sexy and wild and her husband is older and reliable. Devoted to her. She has a young child with him. She left him for a time out of boredom and hooked up with a higher “quality” guy.

    She finally decided to go back to her reliable husband because, she said:

    1. All relationships go through the same shit, no matter how great you think the other person is.

    2. She didn’t want to have another baby, this time by her new boyfriend.

    3. “That man lives to love me”, referring to her husband.

    I think the obvious advice for a male is:

    1. Simply let your significant other know that cheating means the end of your relationship. No exceptions.

    2. Cherish her, but don’t depend on her for your happiness. Always be ready to dump her if she falls short.

    3. DON’T GET MARRIED.

    If #1 had been married, what are the chances he’d be paying alimony, or child support to support Tiger’s love child?

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  101. on January 14, 2010 at 9:06 pm Powers

    If your girlfriend wants to fuck George Clooney, why don’t you tell her to go fuck George Clooney. You’ve got options right? If you don’t have options, learn how to get them. Forcing him to delete his phone # seems like the wrong move.

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  102. on January 15, 2010 at 5:57 pm Sean

    I can’t believe #3 isn’t I’m the lead. That was the only one that provided a visceral, gut reaction in myself. It got worse the longer I read. Ick.

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  103. on January 15, 2010 at 7:50 pm MarkD

    I think Elin showed what should have happened to Tiger.

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  104. on January 16, 2010 at 9:03 am Glengarry

    #1 salvages himself by at least getting out. The smackdown speech is great advice; I might have ended it with “[I’ll give you fifteen mintues alone to make your deicsion] but you’ll only need five.” Actually, if she’s not blushing, mortified, right when you’re done, you pretty much know how it’ll go.

    #2 is too far gone, society should send him to Omega Reeducation Camp. Most interesting piece here was to see the inhuman system of mock-justice in action. What the hell are those judges thinking?

    #3 gets the BOTM nod. Come on dude, you even know it yourself. A tip is not to get too serious about self-confessed nymphos.

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  105. on January 18, 2010 at 10:49 am mark

    Sometimes I worry about the influence of biochemicals. What can anyone say about #2 except that maybe pheromones or some other tenacious chemical attractant that has somehow gotten imprinted in his mind is the cause.
    Frightening.
    We’re robots hallucinating free will while we walk asleep.

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  106. on January 18, 2010 at 3:44 pm I Beta

    I vote 3.

    1 – Schmidt acted reasonably. They were in a long-term relationship and engaged. I get what you’re saying about Jungers’ indicators of infidelity, but once a relationship has grown to marriage level, the two sides ought to respect the gravity of the commitment and give mutual trust. Schmidt held up his end and honored their relationship by initially trusting her. But Jungers betrayed her fiance’s trust, relationship over, and Schmidt’s moved on.

    2 is too extreme. Beta, sure, but masochistic beyond merely beta. Something else altogether is going on there. Not knowing what else is wrong with Hale, I can’t accept 2 as instructive of beta.

    I vote 3 because it’s textbook. I recognize myself in Dominic’s actions and the girls who’ve rejected me in OEN’s reaction. He made a commitment to her and relied on a reciprocal commitment to him, and he was hurt and confused when she valued their relationship – and him – more lightly and withdrew from him in a vague manner. He, fairly so, felt he deserved more clarity from her. It also appears he sought to protect/honor their relationship as an important part of his life. In reponse, she mocked him for his disproportionate evaluation of their relationship. If BOTM and BOTY ultimately are meant to educate men and not just shock and titillate (eg, Candidate 2), then Dominic’s example, OEN’s reaction to him, and the unsympathetic mocking comments in the thread make for an effective lesson about the truth of beta.

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  107. on January 18, 2010 at 4:43 pm I Beta

    Jack: “I think it is alpha to learn details from a past relationship so you don’t make the same mistake in the future. So I don’t want to help define men as weak for doing analysis.”

    I agree. I don’t know whether obtaining an after-action report from the woman is alpha or not, but a relationship is an investment. When one fails, it makes good business sense to be constructive and at least leave with instructive value, which can be used toward improving future investments.

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