The twelve ignominious betas for each month of 2009 have been declared by popular vote and now it is time for you, the readers, to vote for a final winner from among those twelve for the Beta of the Year contest. Consider carefully the candidates below before casting your vote for the one man to mewl them all, because the 2009 BOTY will represent in one ingloriously distilled beta everything that is most loathsome about the current configuration of modern man — the white knighters, the wool pullers, the self-deluding, the pedestalers, the manginas, the herbs, the nancyboys, the castrati, the party line platitudinizers, the phony equalists, and the oneitis chumps. He will serve as a warning to other men and a valuable lesson for boys on their way into manhood, and through his example will guide them away from the path of self-immolation and into the light of the truth about not only the nature of women, but the nature of their own behavior in the company of women. Not to mention, the BOTY is a handy touchstone for future scholars searching for reasons why the West fell into ruin so suddenly and catastrophically.
If you want to read the individual stories behind each of the BOTM winners, just click on the “Beta of the Year Contest” link under the “Select Category” pull-down menu in the righthand column.
I’ve included the names of the readers who submitted the winning BOTMs in parentheses in the voting choices. The winning submission for 2009 BOTY will be announced in the coming days.
On to the final vote:
A man who lets another man fuck his wife is a man he derserves public shame.
Mr. November has my vote
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February and November are the top two candidates IMO.
February wins by a nose.
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It was between March and November—I went with March. It’s really just inconceivable to me.
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WRITE IN! Mr Jessica Valenti for the beta of the decade!
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I think there is some confusion….a Beta is someone who doesn’t make the grade. However, I think your likely winner, the man who supports the wife accused to trying to murder him isn’t Beta, but Omega. He is so far beneath contempt that labelling him a Beta is an insult to betas everywhere. Consider 1984 – would this guy count as a reasonably competent assistant to the Alpha, or as one of the troglodytes of limited understanding whose death would barely be noticed?
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Gotta be June’s Billionaire Ryan Stokes. As of published reports late 2009, he’s *still* carrying a greasy torch for trailer-touring Jodi Gordon.
He’s young(ish), rich, decent enough looking, old money, top of his country’s class. Ryan’s got far more options and ammo than any other BOTM so must needs be judged harsher. With great power comes great responsibility.
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The First Minister of Ireland (Peter Robinson) is absent from that list.
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Is a tough choice, but was on between December and March. Given that December is in the mental disease range, at being an extreme case of masochism and self-loathing (love? HA), I will go with March.
The guy must sleep well, with willingly hearing his ex and bad boy having primal sex.
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Dumb-Viking,
My understanding is that an omega is a man who cannot get ANY woman. Each of these candidates attracted at least somebody…
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This is a difficult contest. Lots of un-worthy candidates.
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I wonder if there should be a “Quarterly” contest and have a Year-end Gold medalist chosen out of the “Final Four”……
Would be easier to choose I think.
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It’s pretty much game over for married guys, putting them on even ground. So I looked at the single beta contestants — the ones who still had a chance to walk way with their sacks intact, but couldn’t.
November’s radio clip makes me cringe the hardest. Gotta go with that reflex.
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this is tough….but as I reflected upon the past BOTMs of 2009 the first one that i remembered out of all the BOTMs was the April BOTM. I recalled a few of the other ones, but I just could not forget that cheesy video homeboy made. but is it worthy of BOTY?
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If November was for sure legit, it would clearly get my vote, but I got the sense that that radio call was probably staged.
Gotta go with Topper.
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Definetly November for me – Maybe it was just because the evidence was so real but I can’t get over that clip.
Admittedly some of the other men allowed worse to be done to them… but really… I have difficulty imagining being so clueless
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I vote for Jessica Valenti´s husband. I didn´t even bother reading about the others. It´s Valenti´s uber alles for me.
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Dudes. It’s clearly the March 2009 guy. He let his wife and her lover move into the house. His house—where he will witness their goings-on and gettings-off. The only thing that comes close is the cuckold beginning for his wife to love him. The February guy: well, at least the lover is dead so he doesn’t have to endure it going forward. And the winner from December 2009 is clearly mentally unstable.
It’s March 2009 for sure folks.
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I’m keeping this simple (no beta/omega debating) and picking the worst example of a man. While all are despicable, the worst is December; to stick by a woman after she nearly killed you is completely insane. Sure, he might be be mentally unstable; absent that information though, it is indefensible to continue to allow his own life to be threatened. At least the others who were cheated on could use the excuse that they don’t care because they’re sick of her shit.
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No matter who wins, this contest deserves to make the evening news.
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I actually went with August. Here’s my reasoning; this is a guy, married, and politely asks the Alpha fucking his wife to kindly stop. First, he was concurrently married at the time not dealing with an Ex (thus beating out March’s BotM). That makes him a practicing, high order, cuckolded beta, not a post-facto beta.
November’s sounded contrived, and December’s strikes me more as Stockholm Syndrome than true beta neurosis. All the rest, while definite contenders, lack the in-your-face self-acknowledgment that August has.
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I went with Feb.
Still makes me cringe and laugh at the same time.
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“Not to mention, the BOTY is a handy touchstone for future scholars searching for reasons why the West fell into ruin so suddenly and catastrophically.”
That made me laugh.
– MPM
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Your obsession with Betas is anything but alpha.
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That radio interview and ‘confrontation’ was so bad.
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I too remember the April video clearly, but it’s nowhere near as awful as March or November. Nov is probably staged, I agree, so it’s gotta be March.
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i second cannon. not only is mr. valenti the most beta, but his crowning might actually do some good.
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We need to be careful to avoid a familiarity bias that would inflate November and December. (These being the months freshest on our minds.)
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March is purest of betatude. Candidates of some of the other months are suffering from something more than just a beta complex.
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Jesus, April’s BOTM “I HEART U” video was nothing less than a cinematic celebration of voluntary betahood. While he’s pathetic in his expression of love and his video is beyond detestable (“cheeseball” was generous), enough that even true betas will cringe at it, its not enough to win him BOTY. An excellent case study in crippling oneitis, however.
I recall the “my wife grieves for her dead lover” story for the sickening gut reaction it elicited at the time, and for the gut-aching laughter this line caused:
I originally voted for many of the also-ran betas in the monthly contests, so while this is an impressive line-up of worthy betas (aren’t they all), I think some really betatastic rétards were spared the ignominy of Beta of the Year candidacy. Recall the guy who whined to a female ‘advice’ columnist about his cheating whore wife who would not even consider performing the nasty sex acts with him that she relished doing for her illicit lover.
The first ever BOTM contender set the tone as perhaps the archetype of standard beta – the LJBF guy who wiped away the tears of his repeatedly-fucked-and-dumped-by-badboys angel for so many years that she decided to reward him with lifelong servitude in marriage.
All in all, this was a comprehensive demonstration of how NOT to conduct oneself in a full spectrum of scenarios that women present to test a man’s will — pining for the one who got away or never was, discovery of a wife’s cheating, or even taking a knife to the fucking throat from the psychotic bitch. Life lessons throughout.
Oh, and Rod Dreher’s eternal betatude deserves an honor all its own.
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Sights seen:A) Tall teddy-bearish white male,with fuzzy beard,hugging and stroking the face(!!!!!) of a dark skinned Mexican female, who had put a RED patch into her jet black hair. The homely latina looked bored as the couple walked past me. B)On Tyra,a dumpy girl says she had to sext pics of herself to get boys attention,tho the really beautiful girls didnt have to. “Dont you think you’re pretty?”mooed Tyra. She said she needed to sext or else only “get boys who…” Tyra nods.
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Gotta go with March. Voluntarily allowing her to bring her man into your house and flaunt her faithlessness on a daily basis establishes a new low in abject betahood.
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I’m going to have to go with March. That’s pretty much complete self-immolation there.
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Tough Choice
Most of these guys are so insane and pathetic that they exclude themselves in my book as outliers. (forgiving trying to kill you, flagrant cheating with criminals, etc.) Its impossible to choose one.
November and March are the purest examples of a beta that an everyday person could gain wisdom from.
However, March is simply a beaten, broken down loser… while November perfectly exemplifies todays culture and youth… pure pussification. Plus after hearing that segment, every person who doesnt understand game and the whole alpha concept and why its attractive will understand clearly. November FTW.– -Absolutely revolting.
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A fine competition, as the voting shows. Based on current voting there are several contendors.
I find standing by your wife way that attempted to murder you and even arguing with the judge for her reduced sentence is the most beta. Its tough though, we don’t know if this guy lost enough brain cells from the attack that he’s a artard now. But getting on the radio to tell your girlfriend how it is, then pleading for her is pretty weak too.
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your appeal lies in that,
until you come of age
you’re fresh all
the month
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This shouldn’t be the final vote. Usually, with BOTM, there will be one candidate that stands above the rest and he’ll get an outright majority, but since these guys are so close in their beta-ness, there needs to be a run-off of the top five candidates.
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November, whether staged or no. Judging by straight descriptions, since I didn’t bother clicking on media links.
While there are possible commendable reasons for religious reasons, such as mis-used ideas of forgiveness, asking a woman, “What must I do for you to love me?” is the absolute beta move.
It is saying, “You are the best I can get, and it is worth sacrificing all of my self-worth to you.”
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keep jocking that dick “a very attractive woman”
lol, sure you are
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“a very attractive woman”
LOL. Keep telling yourself that. Mooooooo!
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I echo Cannon’s cannon sentiment – Mr. Jessica Valenti for Beta of the Decade.
But for 2009, I think it should be December.
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now now guys,
we don”t want to
attract the umbrage
of any more powerful
Feminist Writers
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As always, my vote is Zunder.
Also Zunder for sheepfucker of the year.
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I expect Dec to win – c’mon, he got his throat slashed! I voted for him for Dec for that reason.
However, I voted for Nov for BOTY. Some have commented they think it’s staged; I don’t know, but even if so, it serves as an example of “essence of beta”. Most guys aren’t going to get their throat slashed, but most betas will respond to totally being treated w/o respect in some way by being even nicer. This is exactly what they must un-learn.
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I’m with this guy. These clowns, utterly bereft of manhood, merit a second round of consideration.
And I’ll take this time to plug March 2009 one last time. Imagine you have spent your whole life studying and working your ass off, dreaming of the day you have finally acquired the wherewithal to land the girl of your dreams. How many hours have you slaved away in a cubicle in some shit job hoping to move up the ladder? Or how many days have you spent shoveling shit just to save up enough to have the best lifestyle you could provide for you and yours? By dint of sheer persistence and hard work you have built wealth, and by the sweat of your brow did you acquire status. Your house and your woman are the physcial proof of all you have achieved, and the waking manifestations of your social dominance, your worthiness…and you have now voluntarily conceded these things, the sum total of you life struggle, to another man. And then you are there to watch him enjoy the fruits of your labor, listening at night against the wall to howls of lovemaking that envelope the master bedroom in which you once slept esconed like a potentate.
That’s what’s at stake with March 2009—that’s what happened there. The resources this man accumulated to care for himself and his own have been usurped, not only for another man’s use, but they are going to support the other man while he’s watching him bang his wife. This man has now taken up residence in his house, eating his best meats, drinking his finest wine, and partaking of the many disgustingly sweet delights this his woman formerly provided only for him. And he is there to experience the humiliation. This goes against every natural instinct a man has. Nothing is more beta, more pathetic or more loathsome.
March 2009 FTW.
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Dude, the real Beta of the Year is the American taxpayer.
Shotgun wedding to a bunch of betaboy bankers: 12 trillion dollars and rising.
Watching those same bankers use the bailout money to pay themselves record bonuses: PRICELESS.
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I voted for the facebook guy. Go back and read his entry before you blow him off, he’s a solid contender.
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Also, this post made me go back and read TWELVE BOTM ENTRIES. I am both demoralized and homicidal.
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Beta of the year: Obama.
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Can anyone help me out with this? I’m perplexed.
So I fucked one girl (last night) and got a BJ from another (two nights ago).
BJ GIRL:
25, schoolteacher, about a 6.5 – ok face, nice body, great tits. Date 1: I meet her for coffee halfway between us (met her on a dating site), then we walked around, grabbed dinner, walked her to her car, made out with her.
She texted me thanking me for a great evening, I texted back saying was fun, lets do it again.
Date 2: she drives over to me, brings a bottle of wine, I cook dinner, make my move, we end up in bed where I get the BJ and we do everything else but sex.
Next day I txt her saying my schedule is busy but I’ll call her when I know my schedule. No response.
Day after I call her, goes to voicemail, say hey figured out my schedule let’s get together saturday. I didn’t plan on contacting again without a response.
Later that night, she responds, in text, with: “Hey, actually this weekend is not good for me…i have monday off so i am actually going out of town, sorry.”
I respond with, “no prob, have a good time.” Not going to contact her again cause she didn’t counter with another time to meet up, and her lack of timely responses.
WTF happened there?
(for the record, i wasn’t that into her personality wise, but we had a good enough time to see each other again and screw around)
SEX GIRL:
Same kinda scenerio, we met up for coffee, kiss close, date #2 she comes over brings a bottle of wine I cook, ends up in bed where we have sex, I even spank her some.
I texted her today, “yesterday was fun, I gotta spank you again soon I know you’ve been bad ”
No response, don’t plan on contacting her again. Again I wasn’t so into her personality wise, but wouldn’t mind at all getting together for a roll in the hay.
I’m kinda weirded out. I got two girls in bed (and it went fine there, that’s not the problem at all) really quick, then this is happening.
What’s the deal?
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I was talking to my alpha friend, and we deconstructed it into the following 2 possibilities:
1) I wasn’t that into them personality wise and, like a reflection, they wasn’t that into me personality wise which they realized as things escalated;
2) I used a 100% sexual vibe with them 2nd date, moved things really fast, and a lot of girls afterwards will go crazy, think they want a boyfriend not a fuckbuddy
It might be a combination of the two.
This has also happened to my buddy. A 8.5 was extremely into him, he made her come over to his house, they went out drank and she ended up giving him a BJ. They didn’t get together for a week or two, then she very reluctantly came over and wanted to put things back to SQUARE ONE – maybe kissing, not much more than that. He said fuck it and shittalked her and it was over. But he blames that situation on escalating too fast which made her go crazy.
If I want to see them (generalized females, not these two girls) again, I might have to tone down the 100% sexual vibe and give a bit more of a boyfriend vibe, and maybe not escalate QUITE so quickly on date 2.
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The two betas who could easily be alpha if they weren’t so disgustingly beta are june and august and I voted for june because there is no excuse for being a sad beta while you are stinking rich.
(But surprisingly large numbers of rich guys are total betas when it comes to women although they might act alpha while dealing with guys in business. One such example is loyd “i’m doing god’s work” blankfein the goldman sachs ceo who is one of the biggest looters of U.S. government cash.)
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I say it’s the billionaire heir. The opportunities he has that he’s foregoing to stay with a woman who is sleeping with bikers surpass all other eleven contestants combined.
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””””””’L’Emmerdeur
Also, this post made me go back and read TWELVE BOTM ENTRIES. I am both demoralized and homicidal.
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hahahahahahah
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JC, ever think maybe, just maybe you’re crap in bed?
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Cliff: I knew you guys would consider that option. Objectively:
I made the first girl orgasm multiple times until her body was shaking.
The second girl was taller than me by 2 inches and I might not have been big enough for her dickwise, but I don’t think she cared as long as I dominated her (which I did).
So it definitely wasn’t the issue with girl #1, and possibly but probalby not with girl #2.
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For women, multiple orgasms are often not enough and sometimes no orgasm is just fine. For most women most of the time a guy who can give orgasms without creating some kind of emotional connection might be okay for a pump and dump (yeah, women can do that too) but not someone you want a return bout with.
My hunch is you made them see you as a sex toy who’s fun for a night but not worth getting involved with.
Also, you called …… the next day????? Far too soon and makes you seem like a dog sniffing at a bitch in heat (which almost no woman likes).
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problem with this is the earlier in the year botms are barely memorable, giving the end of year botms a much greater edge in being crowned boty
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JC: they probably put up their ASD right after, thinks you’re in it just for sex or some shit
that and you contacting them too soon probably confirmed what they thought
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its strange… i would think that the cases where the man supports the women even after they’ve shown intention to kill would have been the most obvious of choices here. i mean c’mon, we’re talking about actual life and death, certainly an extreme, and then to ‘show support’… truly fucked up…
and yet somehow, i’m not as moved by that as i am by the billionaire. you see, those other schmucks are certainly beta/omega material, they know it and they act accordingly, which to me is essentially ‘normal’ behaviour albeit slightly twisted. but the billionaire… the world should be his oyster… there should be nothing to stand in his way when it comes to getting what he wants… there should be no reason to act the way he has… the only explanation is the essence of pure beta in his soul… i find that contrast truly disturbing, more so than in any of the other examples. the billionaire has my vote
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After reading all of the candidates I feel a mix between shock, profound pity, disappointment, and disgust, for all of these FUCKIN LOSERS! May the knowledge of alphaness reach them in due time and transfrom these helpless betas.
And remember fellas, if she’s a gold-digger, you’re a grave-digger!
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in the absence of a write-in ballot, i reflected upon my vote all day and finally punched the ticket for august’s high society beta.
“i say old chap! please show some modesty in your banging of my wife! cheerio!”
the attempted murderers are inconceivable and the billionaire with a biker whore is shameful. yet august somehow reminded me too much of the comedic stylings of…
our very own prodigy, denise “doogie howser” m.d., O.m.G.
this beta showed a high Emotional Intelligence by explaining: my dear, i feel insecure because of your cavorting with a young lover instead of attending our social functions. this behavior makes me feel uncomfortable and i do not fully understand your motivation. please communicate with me at your earliest convenience so we may seek a non-violent resolution.
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with the June BOTM
Money can do only so much for a beta before his true self surfaces.
All the money did was change his outward apperance.
Even with all that money, he’s is and probably always has been a beta.
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I voted for The March BOTM (ex-husband lets ex-wife and new husband stay with him)
What sealed the deal for me was the ex-wife laying down the law the moment she stepped foot back into the house.
Saying how her and the husband plan to stay there for years and that if her ex-husband started seeing someone that the woman better be open-minded because she’s not leaving the house any time soon.
(that’s why i don’t help people, when they realize you’ll help em their temporary problem somehow becomes even worse)
also why could’nt the ex-husband seek custody of his children when his ex-wife was going throught problems ? I’d get my kids then tell her and the new husband to go help themselves.
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february, march, or april
shit is tough to choose
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The guy who went to his wifes lovers grave while she put flowers on it made me sick to my stomach when i read it.
I have honestly never heard of somthing so pathetic in my life, i remember that story as if it was yesterday i was so amazed by it. the shame he should have felt, he wrote it as if he was doing the right thing.
Close second is the the rich beta. there is no need for this to happening to him.
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It could be ASD + txting the day after (which I thought was a good thing, as it proved positive after the first initial date. But next day text is probably bad after the fuck. Got it.)
ASD:
“Anti-Slut Defense. The chick logic a woman (especially younger ones) will go through to relieve the guilt having sex too quickly with a man, assuming she has enough time to “think” about the consequences – a reaction which causes them to come up with objections or reasons that they shouldn’t fuck you in order to relieve their guilt of taking *responsibility* for doing something that society would often call “slutty”. Post-sex ASD is usually boiled down to comments from her to her friends like “it just happened”. It might be possible to consider waiting for a guy to make all the moves as an ASD. This forces HIM (in her mind) to take responsibility for the fact that she slept with you. “It just happened”, “he wouldn’t give up”, etc. In reality, both people are responsible for their own actions.”
Sounds about right?
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I voted for January.
Need a link for April, though. Sounds hilarious.
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How is March beta? Those troglodytes come from the other side of the species. I curse Roissy for subjecting me to pictures of them, took several minutes to wipe the image from my mind.
I thought it was close between Feb & Nov. In the end, I think Nov is worse, but because he’s young I’m hoping he’ll stumble on this site, be humiliated, and change his ways; whereas Feb is just the embodiment of what is wrong with the world.
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December wins hands-down. She tried to fucking kill him and nearly succeeded.
The idiom “whipped” is now completely obsolete. That word doesn’t even scratch the surface.
What. The. Fuck.
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February….flowers on lover’s grave? I would have urinated on the grave, flipped her bus money and went home!
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Between March and November, with interest on December, but went with March.
Look, to add a gloss to Dragnet’s note, there are fates worse than death. Also, March seems to hit, and hit harder, some of the across the board problems. November too, but March more so. December seems to be more of a one off; though someone should google-alert the name because we might here more from those two. Or maybe we’ll just hear from one of them….
Now, with regard to the across the board problems, and why, more specifically, he’s the all time example for the year, consider the element of time: it’s on-going, day-to-day. It’s premeditated. It’s an attempt to normalize, to norm, a basically sadomasochistic arrangement. Or, let’s put it another way, was he born that way? Was he made that way by other men? By the new husband? Or has he chose it himself? Something else? Some combination? Where is the community? His ex-wife is into it. The new husband is ok with it. If I recall, they’re all living at his mom’s house by the way, and she’s ok with it. Are there neighbors? A sheriff? Other relatives? What’s going on? Where are the adults? The wise-men? Answer: feminism, liberalism, a whole bunch of things, killed the wise-men store. It’s gone. Or at least it’s all gone in that situation. (BTW, I don’t think it’s racist to also acknowledge the fact, again if I recall correctly, that the new husband is an immigrant. So it’s a USA/western problem more than a non-USA/non-western problem; it’s homegrown nature clangs another bell.)
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Interesting update new way to game:
http://www.4hb.com/0131wwiobiz64adcable.html
Excerpt from article.
”””””””””’Many media experts are recommending cable TV advertising to their clients. “Prime time spots on broadcast TV cost $2,000 to $3,000 in this area. Prime time cable spots go for $175,” says Leslie Speidel, a media buyer in Raleigh, North Carolina (www.TheMarketingCoach.com).
Commercials on cable systems in the suburbs outside New York City are cheaper. Your 30 second spots run on CNN and ESPN for $25. Nick goes for $20 and TNN, BET, and VH-1 are $15 per commercial. Expect to get better rates when you buy packages of multiple spots.
Small town cable prices are even lower. It is not unusual to buy commercials for $2 to $3 in a town of 40,000 people. ”””””””””””””””
So if you are in a town of 40k you can put your own add on the lifetime channel so your face shows up while the chick is watching chick crack. Tell em how great you are and leave an email address. 2 dollars a pop hahahahaah
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I just saw some celebrity rehab show and they had the chick that was 42 years old and talking about how she really would like to have a man right now and how lonely she is and how that is what is making her do drugs. What was her name heidi fleis the chick that ran the prostitute service for the celebrities. Yea she said she had 4 abortions and somehow she put that in a good light. At the same time she talked about how she lived in a horrible place alone and her only companionship was parrots and she never had kids. She looked horrible but thin.
Poster child for slut of the year.
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@ cz
I forgot the ex-husband was living with his mom.
It’s all conditioning.
Anything can be had to look normal when someone’s interest is at stake.
Mom and the ex wife were probably constantly in his ear about how “ok” and “normal” i’d be.
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JC: “Sounds about right?”
It might be that, but you do need to remember that people do have motivations about sex besides those found in PUA manuals.
I still think the probable bigger picture is that you only seem to be about sex and most women just aren’t into that and while you might be fun for a one nighter, your laser beam focus on sex (and preoccupation with it even after the first fuck) kill you as LTR material.
Next time, wait longer to text and don’t bring up sex (or necessarily meeting) at all. Find something else to text about a time or two and then suggest getting together (not at your place). Don’t make with the bedroom talk at all, if she starts, reciprocate but to a lesser degree).
Again, from what you’ve written you weren’t interested in either as LTR but more as FBs. It’s probable neither one was/is interested in an FB relationship and they were auditioning you as a LTR and you didn’t get a callback. It’s not a flattering thought but basically no harm, no foul.
Finally: since when do a BJ and multiple orgasms count as “everything else but sex’???? You think you’re Bill Clinton or something?
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Roissy, you need to just pick the Beta of the month yourself from now on. Letting your retarded readers vote on it doesn’t work because the overwhelmingly vote for the least beta guy on the list.
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“Women’s Bodies and Minds Agree Less Than Men’s on What’s Sexy”
“Women’s minds and genitals respond differently to sexual arousal, whereas in men, the responses of the body and mind are more in tune with each other”
Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100104114601.htm
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I voted for June.
Much is expected from those to whom much is given.
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Give most of the candidates the wealth and status of mr. “please stop boinking my wife” and they’d upgrade. I go with him for total cravenness despite all external advantages.
I think the voting is influenced by human incapacity to rationally evaluate long lists, because most votes are clustered at top and bottom.
A poll app that served binary choices between randomly selected entries would surface the true people’s choice.
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I went with radio boy from November on the assumption that it was genuine. If it is a fake, then it should be disqualified. Several of the other contenders are at least just as beta, but being able to listen to the interaction makes it more difficult to preserve my detachment.
Runner-up is August’s entry of (must control laughter while typing…) Topper crying about Count Vlad impaling his wife.
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JC,
here’s my advice: read this
http://www.rooshv.com/be-that-guy
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also JC,
remember that ASD is related to the status of the male. the more beta you act, the more shame and regret she’ll feel for giving it up so quickly. texting the next day, going over it with your friend, posting about it on here, those are all signs that you’re still operating from a mentality of scarcity. women can smell that.
you’re default position should be that they are trying to get into your world. you’re holding tryouts for a spot on the roster. think about it this way: you found two OK looking broads, banged on and caught a BJ from the other without all that much effort. imagine what’s out there for you once you tighten up your game.
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Not enough votes for Travis D’arby in July. Go re-read if you havn’t.
Also, as someone said above and I said back in March…the March winner isnt really beta as much as he is a just a pathetic knuckle dragger.
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Over at thespearhead, it seems over 1/2 the posters are of the view that woman need to be brought back in line to monogamy. Not only that men need to man up in order to learn how to dominate a woman into proper submission, but that women need to be socially shamed into their proper role, for the benefit our societies and the genetic inheritance of our tribes.
I’ve always argued that religion is merely the stories we tell ourselves to explain what we are currently doing, and has little proscriptive power. People don’t follow religions, as much as have religions. People follow opportunities.
Newscientist today has an article that shares my assumptions and conclusions here. They are talking about how monogamy came about as a reaction to technological changes.
I argue that since our social fabric adapted to technology, it’s foolish to try to turn it back based on social pressures alone. The changes due to technologies will continue to change – based upon opportunity – not upon social pressure.
It’s very feminine to think that we socially create our society. We don’t. We create opportunities, and try to bring people onto our side to help us wage our wars socially. We don’t create anything more than social alliances. The opportunities are not so musch socially created, as they are technologically created. The birth control changed society, not the social gossip regarding free sex. The industrial revolution created cities and young people being able to live apart from their families – not the gossip of do-your-own-thing.
And so if you want to socially create monogamy, you’ve got to work with what’s at hand – and that means learning game. Shame is pointless at this juncture. You need to create a better opportunity to a woman than she can get without you. You must be better than fucking around, and parent/guardian/date/educate her up to realize it.
From newscientist
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Maybe some candidates for next time?
http://www.details.com/sex-relationships/porn-and-perversions/200808/what-if-your-wife-were-a-porn-star
Look at how the girls can’t have sex with their husbands because of thier jobs. One uses her six figure income as an excuse but quit a job as an executive secretary. Here in NE/Boston you can get six figures fairly easily as one of the job titles harridan carreers that don’t really do much more than set meetings and make phone calls.
Bewildering!
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yep, after they collate trillions of pages of bloggery devoted to WoW, Feminism and Anime, they’ll eventually get around to the important stuff.
I’ll be waiting
breathlessly
for the celebration
in my
cryogenic sleep chamber
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And women aren’t shamed by men. They have a separate and parallel social system – it’s an all female club called Team Vagina. Men can’t shame them. All we can do is offer opportunities, and let them gossip amongst themselves.
So for a man who wants fidelity, I advocate a three pronged strategy:
1) Control resources. Be of higher wealth than the woman and discourage her from being financially independent, perhaps by partly supporting her.
2) Isolate her from women who would have her look for a different man/men than you. And watch out for all men.
3) Be fun and socially dominant. The carrot stick combo that wacks not just her head, but grabs her whole body.
Talking about social propriety or justice or morallity or the social good is a pointless waste of a mans time and mental focus.
People are motivated by opportunity. Being a good opportunity is how to motivate women to be with you.
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Oh, how could I forget!
1) Control resources
addendum 1B – don’t get married. Once you marry you no longer control financial resources.
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I’m changing blogs. I’m moving from blogger to wordpress.
http://glpiggy.wordpress.com
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Men like fertile women:
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/006871.html
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Why so many off-topic comments? This should be for votes for the BOTY. Vote for the facebook guy, seriously. At least reread his entry.
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SIMPLE: THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IN YOUR STORIES IS COFFE. Stop taking them for coffee. Why would you go back to a 6.5, anyway?
on January 14, 2010 at 4:59 pm JC
Can anyone help me out with this? I’m perplexed.
So I fucked one girl (last night) and got a BJ from another (two nights ago).
BJ GIRL:
25, schoolteacher, about a 6.5 – ok face, nice body, great tits. Date 1: I meet her for coffee halfway between us (met her on a dating site), then we walked around, grabbed dinner, walked her to her car, made out with her.
She texted me thanking me for a great evening, I texted back saying was fun, lets do it again.
Date 2: she drives over to me, brings a bottle of wine, I cook dinner, make my move, we end up in bed where I get the BJ and we do everything else but sex.
Next day I txt her saying my schedule is busy but I’ll call her when I know my schedule. No response.
Day after I call her, goes to voicemail, say hey figured out my schedule let’s get together saturday. I didn’t plan on contacting again without a response.
Later that night, she responds, in text, with: “Hey, actually this weekend is not good for me…i have monday off so i am actually going out of town, sorry.”
I respond with, “no prob, have a good time.” Not going to contact her again cause she didn’t counter with another time to meet up, and her lack of timely responses.
WTF happened there?
(for the record, i wasn’t that into her personality wise, but we had a good enough time to see each other again and screw around)
SEX GIRL:
Same kinda scenerio, we met up for coffee, kiss close, date #2 she comes over brings a bottle of wine I cook, ends up in bed where we have sex, I even spank her some.
I texted her today, “yesterday was fun, I gotta spank you again soon I know you’ve been bad ”
No response, don’t plan on contacting her again. Again I wasn’t so into her personality wise, but wouldn’t mind at all getting together for a roll in the hay.
I’m kinda weirded out. I got two girls in bed (and it went fine there, that’s not the problem at all) really quick, then this is happening.
What’s the deal?
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Solidstache, way to hall-monitor!
But next time before you try to enforce the social rules, learn them. Don’t just assume them. The on/off topic culture here might not be what you expect.
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Why only one BOTY? This is an example of oneitis if there ever was one.
There should be a well-categorized slate of BOTYs. After the BOTY list is published, send out a press release. If you prefer not to, I’m sure one of your many connected readers will be more than happy to fire off a press release blast to a few hundred members of the press and the bloggerati.
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“When I foolishly asked her why all of her friends had Y chromosomes, I naturally got my ass handed to me for sticking my nose in places it did not belong.”
This from the facebook guy. “Naturally”, he says.
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Solidstache
Good point.
The culture wide notion of sexual equality that we swim in is nothing but piss in the pool. There is nothing wrong or oppressive about being dominant, and a man had best learn to be dominant. It’s in his best interest, and usually coincides with the best interest of his charges.
It’s in women’s best interest to be able to fuck around and get money from many men.
It’s in man’s best interest to fuck as many women as possible and only put money towards children he knows are his.
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Feminism is simply women trying to arrange the social situation such that they can fuck around and get money from many men.
It’s the natural propensity of women to try to garner the labor of men. Sometimes they do it with monogamy, sometimes serial monogamy, and sometimes they use the tactic of slut or whore. Usually they alternate or do all three at the same time. There are no “good” girls though, who are beyond looking after their best interests. People experiment with different lifestyles and settle into a niche that best fits their temperament and opportunities. Only a small portion of the time is that niche lifetime strict monogamy. Women naturally make it appear to the man that this is what she is offering. Never believe it. Her best interest is also served by controlling other men’s resources and getting other men’s sperm. These lifestyle strategies are built right into the primate brain hard wiring. Women are all sluts or potential sluts. They all want men’s money and resources and protection.
Feminism is merely the deep inner yearning for power that all people crave – in a female slut strategy form.
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In regard to the war of the sexes, morality is only useful as a weapon to indoctrinate others with. If you internalize morals they will blind you from seeing the true motivations of others.
And so much of the talk over at places like thespearhood is men fumbling in the dark with women-speak social gossip about what is right or wrong and what utopia should look like if we all just acted like good people.
To be effective, one must manipulate others. You don’t manipulate women with logic of your morality. Even starting from a viewpoint of morality will get in your way.
You manipulate women by being what they want. By pushing their buttons. By carrot and stick. Psycho-sexual dominance and manipulating resources.
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What a shameful dirty dozen. All make me cringe, but October’s makes me angry. Marko Zelenovic needs battering with a wooden tennis racket.
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Bad design. You should list them in reverse order, to combat the “grocery-list effect” in which the final items are imprinted more strongly.
Especially since the first few items are up to a year old.
If any item from Jan-June comes within a few percentage points of the December one, the former should be declared the winner.
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Travis D’arby’s such a beta, I bet he kisses prostitutes.
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“Please join me for dinner!”
Peter
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and enjoy an old school video!
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For those who missed it….here is the link for April BOTM. Cmon “Bad English” is the score…..
URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iIYRZWBd9Y
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I was overhearing a conversation between two starbucks employees..
One goes with her girlfriend to a local resort, meets two brazen guys, sleeps with them and both girls get infected with chylamidia. When she comes back to town, starts dating current responsible boyfriend before her friend shows symptoms. Says it was “so awkward.”.
Did I mention that she was still dating rough guy from resort when she started dating current boyfriend.
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More off topic science that relates to the marriage minded monogamy espoused by spearhead posters.
From Newscientist.com
So you’d expect those not getting much to try to shame the womenfolk into monogamous relations, and to use the language of morality.
When people are poor, they tend to socialism. When moderately wealthy, to individualism. When extremely wealthy they revert again to socialism, because they can afford to pay for the benefits that come with social spending. Our morality comes from our personal needs, not the other way around – therefore it is best not to identify with a particular morality if you want to influence others, because having a particular morality lessens your ability to accurately guage and effect the actions of those that you want to persuade.
If you want to influence others, influencing their choice of morals is not as effective as persuading them that their existing motivations can be better met by what you have to offer. Their morality will then alter to fit their improved situation.
Girls influence morality with the promise of sex if you agree. That’s why they always define social morality.
Men have to do it the other way around – promise improved life circumstances in order to have the morality of the women adjust to the lifestyle offered.
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Damn, there are way too many to pick from. I’m going to have to read up on them.
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Write in vote: WILL WILKINSON
C’mon Roissy, that guy has to be on the list of candidates.
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December! He’s so desperate he wants to hang out with a fugly who wants to kill him. If he does get killed when she’s released does he deserve a Darwin Award?
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What are you suppose to do when a hot girl asks you if you can take a picture? Only veterans please no answer from virgins or betas.
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Roissy already has a post on that where he took the picture.
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I second Danger’s suggestion of: “a “Quarterly” contest and have a Year-end Gold medalist chosen out of the “Final Four.””
Xsplat, I always enjoy your discussions.
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Alright that helps Guns… let me go through the thousands of posts. Can you be a little more helpful and tell me the url or maybe the category that might be under?
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Have you ever looked at “fast love” by george michael through the lens of ‘game’ and the whole ‘alpha/beta’ thing? If you think about it, the lyrics sum up a lot of the attitude that we talk about. The irony that he is gay is hard to miss, since straight men would always write some ‘pedestal song’ about how much they loved a woman.
This song is so devoid of romantic BS, that it is refreshing to watch even after 13 years (it helps that the video is also hard to date).
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/lyrical-autopsy-fast-love-george-michael/
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the king:
check it http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/a-test-of-your-negs/
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http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/a-test-of-your-negs/
Here ya go bud its christmas.
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“WRITE IN! Mr Jessica Valenti for the beta of the decade!”
Yes. A special prize delivery – a bouquet of roses with a strap-on at it’s center.
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king link in mod so should be coming.
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Women divide men into two categories: Those they can stand on (betas) and those who they reach up to(alphas).
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Actually there’s the third category: Om3gas – those who women don’t want to touch with a ten-foot pole.
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interesting observations regarding morality etc. .. never thought of it that way .. but what has worked for me in the past is to speak the language of self interest .. young ones – appeal to their love of possesion, old ones – appeal to their ego
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Maybe some candidates for next time?
http://www.details.com/sex-relationships/porn-and-perversions/200808/what-if-your-wife-were-a-porn-star
Look at how the girls can’t have sex with their husbands because of thier jobs. One uses her six figure income as an excuse but quit a job as an executive secretary. Here in NE/Boston you can get six figures fairly easily as one of the job titles harridan carreers that don’t really do much more than set meetings and make phone calls.
Bewildering!
The first article said Ryder Sky has sex with hubby but they have to schedule it because of the demands of her job. The icing on the cake is that she took up porn acting because it enables her to pursue studies majoring in … guess what … womens studies! You can’t make this shit up!
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In regard to the war of the sexes, morality is only useful as a weapon to indoctrinate others with. If you internalize morals they will blind you from seeing the true motivations of others.
Internalizing a moral code makes one more credible as a moral agent and thus more capable of eliciting reciprocally moral behavior from others. People are constantly on watch for signs of dishonesty in others. Only psychopaths can effectively feign honesty and reap the benefits, but they have a very strong tendency to overdo it. Most psychopaths get into serious trouble or prematurely dead eventually.
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I voted for the last one. It was a hard decision. But she TRIED TO KILL HIM AND HE’S DEFENDING HER.
That’s…not even….I don’t even understand.
February and November were close runner-ups though.
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Markku, are you aware that Asians are less honest than northern europeans, and that there is a genetic basis for this? It seems that being trustworthy is a game strategy that only works when others around you are mostly trustworthy. Europeans get flummoxed and fleeced by Asian girls daily. They have it all over us.
Until we learn.
I say it puts a man a definite disadvantage to be trustworthy as a default.
Hoever I disagree with the position put forward by Roissy and other PUAs that there are many times when lying is advantageous in seduction. On the whole I find a man who just doesn’t give enough of a shit to bother with lying, a man who habitually tells the truth because it feels better to him to do so, to be more attractive to women. It’s not only more alpha, but it’s less weaselly. People wonder how you can get away with it.
It’s a practical matter to be honest, not a moral one. You could say the same with the appreciation of truth over emotional security. It’s a long haul matter of practicality.
But problems arise when you think being honest is “right”, and that only bad people are disonest. That will blind you, when dealing with people who you want to view as good. You won’t be able to see the black/white at the same time. They will be either madonna or whore, good or bad. Internalizing right versus wrong as a moral code is sloppy thinking that ruins empathy and strategy for both yourself and seeing the motivations of others.
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Thanks Gun. I actually found the other post too of zooming into the rack of the chicks and then saying “I was able to capture all your personalities very well. What do you think?” With a wink and devious smile.
I know this is a test but is it a sign of IOI or just girls assuming you are beta and that you will comply without any attempt of hitting on them?
I personally take a picture of my p****, myself or another hot girl walking by.
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Markku, are you aware that Asians are less honest than northern europeans, and that there is a genetic basis for this?
The lesser honesty of Asians does not surprise me as levels of corruption are much higher in almost all of Asia than Northern Europe. But the theory of there being a genetic basis for that is something I’ve never heard before. Any reference?
It seems that being trustworthy is a game strategy that only works when others around you are mostly trustworthy.
That is true. The dynamics of a tournament of Prisoner’s Dilemma with an unlimited number of rounds are well-known. The choice of the optimal strategy depends on the distribution of strategies used by the neigboring players.
Europeans get flummoxed and fleeced by Asian girls daily. They have it all over us.
I’m sure they do. I wouldn’t expect anything else from bar girls and hookers for whom rich Western tourists are a source of income.
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I say it puts a man a definite disadvantage to be trustworthy as a default.
You’re confusing trustworthy with trusting.
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some game strategy to study during halftime
http://www.heretical.com/science/gtheory.html
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Markku, did you HONESTLY think that I was referencing bar girls and hookers?
Or were you being weasely in your insinuations? I don’t trust your motives.
You can google “genetic basis for morality” and you’ll find lots of research papers on the subject. If the subject interests you you can spend days digging around in the research – there is plenty of it. Much of it has even been popularized and made it to edge.org and the New York Times.
My point is a subtle one. Internalizing morals can lead directly to gullability and an inability to empathize with those that don’t share your morals. As a practical matter, we agree that truth telling is usually the best strategy.
I suppose we all choiceless internalize morals and attitudes. My point is that thinking in terms of absolutes is helpful for children and those with limited mental capacity. Older people do better with increased nuance. So that cocepts such as right and wrong can disastrously get in your way. Lose you wars, lose you business, lose you pussy, lose you your life.
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But my main point is that for men to debate the public sphere of morals, as if it would influence women, is largely a misdirected pointless waste of time.
Men’s morals do not influence women.
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Ya’ll need to rewatch the video from April. Shit is disgusting.
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Xsplat – Lying about one’s age is often the ticket to Nirvana. Not doing so, in most cases, means ignomininious defeat if one is going for women 18-22. There is no excuse for a man walking into machine gun fire. Never say you are more than 15 years older than a woman if you want the chance to tell the truth on the next question.
Regarding BOTY, I voted as usual before I read the details. Why? Because when one uses objective metrics it becomes easier to know who the winner is. We cannot keep voting based on the damage a guy is just doing to himself. We have to also measure what he is doing to other men as a whole. And that is easy to measure.
The ordinary joe who wants a woman back even if she tried to kill him is being laughed at by the feminists and Obama and the liberal media just as much as by us. He does us no damage. So he becomes the last choice for an award if we want our awards to count politically. The liberal blogger who marries a feminist leader — he does a lot more damage but he can see the light when she tires of him in 5 years and blog more or less on our side. But the BILLIONAIRE who marries a feminist or ditz becomes the most dangerous of all because she can inherit all or half his money and give it to feminist organizations….plus the opportunity cost is huge of a billionaire not giving millions to MRAs and politicians who promise to fight for men’s rights ($100,000 for every public utterance by a politician against the NOW).
So I knew in seconds who my BOTY winner was. Then I just read the details.
As Roissy said “We have to hold billionaires to a higher standard.”
We also need to publicly cajole/shame a few rich guys into waking up and funding MRAs.
Now my runner up for BOTY would be the NYT Economist Andrew. He made $10,000 per month which should have given him a different 18 year old every second night (not necessarily for sex but for CFNM or massage) yet he starts off as if he is perfectly OK with losing $4000 of that to alimony to his first wife and $3500 to liberal taxes! As a liberal beta, he sacrificed an otherwise perfect soapbox (the New York Times) where he could decry both alimony’s existence and the massively huge taxation of a man in his “income bracket” (the Times wouldn’t let him work for them if he wanted to complain about either of those two vampires sucking his own life away).
So the beta makes $2500 per month that he can spend and, thus, lives in poverty, unable to get any woman other than the 50 year old woman he then took.
He badly damages all men because he is being used by the NYTimes to make us think the only problem in the story is the mortgage industry and not ALIMONY, Exaggerated Child Support and Overly High Taxes for socalled “big earners”.
If he had two kids from his former marriage, $1000 per month should handle them both as child support. At the very most, $2000 per month could go to the kids, but $4000? Child support needs to be tied to what a child needs, not to what the father earns!! A rich man needs to be allowed to use his money to make more kids and pay child support on them as well. Raising child support based on a man’s ability to pay deliberately regulates a man’s sex life.
When I read the story and saw him try to say how hard he tried to relieve his suffering, I kept yelling at the page “Get the Alimony reduced or eliminated in a major challenge”.
But astute readers would know he would be fired from the New York Beta Times if he had tried to reduce the alimony and child support payments or decried the high taxes.
But a Billionaire who doesn’t use his money to fight feminism would be Beta of the Year any year. I would name billionaire Dick Scaife BOTY as well.
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To Xplat,
Markku, did you HONESTLY think that I was referencing bar girls and hookers?
Or were you being weasely in your insinuations? I don’t trust your motives.
You are an expat living in a some poor Southeast Asian country. Was it Indonesia? When I imagine a single male expat living in Indonesia, I see a man who likes to enjoy the cheap alcohol and the position of power on the sexual market being Western and loaded with money by local standards gives one.
You can google “genetic basis for morality” and you’ll find lots of research papers on the subject. If the subject interests you you can spend days digging around in the research – there is plenty of it. Much of it has even been popularized and made it to edge.org and the New York Times.
My point is a subtle one. Internalizing morals can lead directly to gullability and an inability to empathize with those that don’t share your morals. As a practical matter, we agree that truth telling is usually the best strategy.
I suppose we all choiceless internalize morals and attitudes. My point is that thinking in terms of absolutes is helpful for children and those with limited mental capacity. Older people do better with increased nuance. So that cocepts such as right and wrong can disastrously get in your way. Lose you wars, lose you business, lose you pussy, lose you your life.
I see your point. But I hope you see my point which is that internalized morals and attitudes boost credibility as a moral agent because lie detection is part of our built-in mental toolkit as well. There is a continuum between complete rigidity and infinite flexibility. The optimum from an individual point of view depends on the environment environment but it is hardly anywhere at either extreme. The extremely rigid are unable to cope with the complexities of live and the infinitely flexible are completely directionless and tend to find themselves in serious trouble eventually.
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[…] betatude the world over, a Beta of the Year ”winner” has finally been announced! Based on popular vote, the winner of the 2009 BOTY […]
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Markku,
I did not quite understand what you just wrote. Do you agree with Marxist feminists that mail order brides exist and that it is somehow superior to fuck an American woman because it is more “fair” and “egalitarian”? One should be thinking the hottest, most disease-free body is the superior one and the least feminist indoctrinated mind is the superior one to deal with.
Is it not a non-sequitur to assume a man who likes Asian women also likes alcohol and is additionally somehow cheap despite having money?… These are wild assumptions.
If you meant to put down men who can afford to date foreign women in their own countries, u are exhibiting the biggest weakness US PUAs seem to have which is a bizarre desire to ignore sexual paradises in favor of doing battle with feminist bitches in a harsh urban US or British environment…which the feminists themselves have programmed you to somehow prefer…as if “suceeding” in the west is more manly or sporting.
The “if you can make it there you can make it anywhere” logic of New York, New York is illogical when one considers that one can “make it” better in Moscow despite being able to make it in NYC. Why settle for 27 yr old gristle in NYC when one can have 18 yr old filet mignon in Moscow?
I prefer East Europe to Asia but the logic is the same – life is too short to do battle to get laid with HPV infected feminists in the west when life is simply better in non-feminist environments where women outnumber men and one does not even have to bother learning PUA methods.
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@Jack
“Why settle for 27 yr old gristle in NYC when one can have 18 yr old filet mignon in Moscow”
ROI vs QQP Ratio (quantites of Quality Pussy).
While you can find Anna Kournakova clones scattered about Moscow, over there, your american dollar just doesn’t go quite as far.
On the other hand, The density of 9-10s in Manhatten (the world’s warehouse of supermodels) is way higher, and your earning potential skyrockets within NY.
Here are some facts for you, Jack.
Jun 18, 2007 … It’s official: Moscow is the world’s most expensive city – a full 34 per cent more costly than New York
-Timesonline
h t t p://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/overseas/article1939874.ece
…
“Moscow surpasses Tokyo as priciest metropolis. Asuncion, on the other hand, is still a big bargain.” CNNMoney.com
June 26 2006
And Moscow remained the most expensive city in the world until Tokyo resumed that role in the around Tuesday, 7 July 2009 and Moscow dropped to down to 3rd.
In the final analysis, Prague of the Czech Republic is the golden “sweetspot” between NY and Moscow. Your dollar goes quite far, while the women shame the feminist bitches of USA in beauty, charm and in class.
A near 1 to 1 ROI/QQP
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For me its a tough choice between Mach and December.
In the end I chose March. December, to me, was a matter of stupidity whereas March was a matter of being a complete pussy and stupidity.
I would think that at least Beta males would have the common sense NOT to invite the offending adulterer come live with you and your wife!
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