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The Story Of A Man Who Refused To Buy A Girl A Drink

January 19, 2010 by CH

Reader Matt forwarded me the following Craigslist posting:

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Why I Didn’t Buy You a Drink – m4w – 22 (Downtown)

You: Cute girl at the bar.
Me: The guy you chatted with while waiting for our drinks.
The Topic: Why I didn’t buy you a drink.
The Audience: Women everywhere, please read this. I know it’s long, but I feel the length is expedient to truly illustrating and arguing my point.

I was waiting to order right as things were getting crazy. It was obvious that it would be a long wait. What can I say? I can’t compete with all the douches yelling for jager bombs. It was then that you appeared. A cute, petite, slightly hipster-ish girl standing next to me, waiting to order as well. The conversation began in the typical manner, simply relating on how frustrating it is when you spend half a night out just waiting for a drink. It then evolved into a true conversation. I spent the next twenty minutes finding out you have great taste in music, movies and literature. You laughed at my jokes, and that’s a big deal to average-looking guys like me.
Unfortunately, after we’d both finished our respective drinks, but were still immersed in discussion, you dropped a bomb that sent shrapnel into my heart.

“So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

I had been dreading this moment. I’ve learned from hard experience that any prolonged conversation with a girl at a club or a bar inevitably requires a fee of rum and coke, vodka tonic, or God forbid, a cosmo. As cute as you were, I felt obligated to retain my self-respect.

“Sorry, I don’t buy girls drinks. Just kind of my policy.”

You looked at me like I told you I was going to rape your dog Charlie (yes, I remember his name). Your face morphed from a beautiful smile into a twisted caricature of shock, revulsion, and utter disbelief.

“Seriously, you’re not gonna buy me a drink? What’s your problem?”

Well sweetheart, let me explain to you in detail my logic regarding this decision that you found so unbelievable:

1. I’ve been going to bars for a couple of years now. I enjoy meeting people when I do. I enjoy meeting attractive girls like yourself. I have, however, learned that buying girls drinks is a sucker’s game. Yes, it has developed into sharing my bed for the night a couple times, but 90% of the time, all it does is give me a higher bar tab. Now you might say I’m a prick for expecting a girl to sleep with me just because I buy her a drink. I agree an $8 cocktail does not and should not equal a sexual encounter. However, I believe spending time and money on a girl when I could be having a good night out with my friends does entitle me at least one of the following things: You reciprocating by buying me a drink, you giving me your phone number and/or going out on a date with me, where once again I will be spending time and money on you. Notice that sex is not a requirement or expectation that is coupled with any of these options. Now, of course, if I had offered to buy you a drink, and you accepted, you are not obligated to any of these things. The big distinction here is that you asked me to buy you a drink, and were shocked that I wouldn’t do so. This brings me to my second point.

2. You know exactly what you’re doing. You’re an attractive girl, and when you go out there is no shortage of guys offering to buy you drinks. You know that they are all doing so with the hope that it will lead to sex with you. You know that it’s not going to happen, but you will accept the free drinks anyway. I don’t hold this against you. If they’re dumb enough to think that buying you a drink is the key to your heart and that they are somehow different from the other Ed Hardy-wearing frat-bros then it’s their own damn fault. You’re using your god-given assets to get free alcohol, nothing wrong with that. But it is precisely because I know that you do this that I will not be another douche who thinks he can get into your pants with a mixed drink. It’s insulting to my dignity as a man and your honor as a woman. I noticed you when you first walked in. I saw you dancing with that hopeless collar-popper. I saw him go to the bar and bring a drink back to you on the dancefloor. I saw how the second the glass was in your hand, you gave him the “Thanks for the drink, it was really nice meeting you” treatment complete with the obligatory pat on the chest. I saw the pathetic, defeated look on his face as you walked away. He will enter the next round of bar hopping a little wiser I hope.

3. You took my unwillingness to fall into such a trap as an insult. You accused me of being stuck-up. You then said that I had a chance at fucking you, but that I’d ruined it by being an asshole. What exactly are you trying to tell me? That the asinine idea that getting a girl a drink will get you in her pants is actually true? That your decision of whether or not to sleep with a guy is based on him liquoring you up? We had a good conversation, and maybe you were actually interested in me. But the fact that any rapport we built was destroyed when I wouldn’t buy you a gin and tonic means that I am no longer interested in you. Not all guys are desperate sperm donors. Some of us actually value a good conversation, and we value girls who have enough respect for themselves that they don’t view sex as a transaction.

4. We established during our conversation that we are both broke-ass fine arts students. Why then would you expect that I, someone who shares your financial woes, would want to spend money on you, a girl I just met? I don’t believe that chivalry is dead. I’ll hold a door for you, I’ll pull out your chair or take your coat. I’ll help you change a flat tire, carry you over deep puddles, figure out the remote, reset your modem. I’ll even help you move when I know you a little better. Why? Because I’m a gentleman. I will not, however, buy you a drink under the pretense that it is what a gentleman does, because I simply cannot afford it. If you want a guy who can afford to buy you whatever you want, find a fifty year-old sugar daddy. There was no shortage of potentials at the bar the other night.

I hope this illustrated my thought-process clearly enough. I hope you realize that you seemed amazing at first, and that declining to buy you a drink was in no way an insult. Your reaction, however, revealed the self-entitled, game-playing she-devil that was lurking underneath. I thank god for the out that he provided at that moment though. Just after you finished your little rant on what I dick I was for not boozing you up, a group of girls emerged at the bar right behind you. Two of these girls were thin and pretty. They immediately got the attention of some bros and had free drinks within minutes. The third girl was overweight and out of place. She had clearly spent a great deal of time and effort on her appearance, but alas, she was once again forsaken by her prettier friends and left to stand by herself, looking miserable. Luckily, I know when the universe has given me a profound gift. There were two incredible moments that filled me with an elation that could not be rivaled by the orgasm I would have had while fucking you. The first was the sincere, excited smile that the chubby girl gave me when I moved past you and asked what she wanted to drink. The second was turning back and seeing the look of horror on your face. You pathetic “have fun with the fatty” remark as you walked away was priceless. I may be broke, but I was willing to go into the red to make this girl’s night and to piss you off. I’m sure as soon as you left you got plenty of free drinks and plenty of idiots drooling over you. I just hope that I got under your skin enough to prevent any enjoyment of those things.

I had a great night. I introduced the big girl to an open-minded friend, and as I write this they are across the hall having loud sex. Normally going to bed alone, subjected to the sounds of raucous lovemaking across the hall would be a serious downer. But tonight, as I crawl into my lonely bed, I will go to sleep comforted by the fact that I have retained my self-respect. Having encountered more than a few spoiled bimbos, I infer that sex with you would have consisted of you lying on your back expecting me to be so grateful that I’m seeing your “hot” naked bod makes up for the fact that you are putting absolutely no effort into this sexual experience. This may just be me trying to justify going to bed alone tonight, but hey, what can you do?

The moral: Ladies, accept drinks if they are offered. Do not expect them. And if you’re feeling particularly wild on a given night, offer to buy the guy a drink. He will be instantly smitten.

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I applaud this man for sticking to his principles. There is no doubt now about the uselessness of buying girls you haven’t yet slept with *anything* at all, let alone drinks. The knowledge is out there, and only a very foolish or deluded man would ignore this sage advice.

A few things to note about the drink-buying problem:

1. Look at it as a shit test. If a girl is asking you to buy her a drink she is hoping to get you to reveal your inner beta and thus make her job of deciding whether to sleep with you much easier. Girls are designed by Mother Gaia to root out a man’s hidden beta as quickly as possible so that they may then move on to locating and banging genuine alpha males. After all, to a woman, time is the enemy. Those burgeoning wrinkles don’t wait for anyone.

2. If your game is good enough, you can afford to buy a girl a drink without incurring a sexual cost. I have occasionally bought girls drinks when I knew they were already attracted to me. This is personal preference, and dependent upon how likely you think a few drinks will loosen her up for sex that same night.

3. Even if you are rich and an $8 drink does not bother you, in general practice you should refrain from throwing your money around on free drinks for inquisitive women. One, it does not get you any closer to your goal (in fact, it probably pulls you farther away), and two, it poisons the pussy well for future men when the self-entitled princess you just created with your freewheeling spending lives her days out expecting free drinks from every other man she meets. If you are filthy rich, then go ahead and buy her an island and forget about learning game… until she hires Antonio the poolboy.

4. If a girl you just met is bold enough to ask you “So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”, it means she is not attracted to you and does not respect you as a man. A woman who is attracted in a sexual way to you will also have feelings of respect for you. She will not risk blowing up the rapport and possible future dates by uttering a clumsy, socially retarded question like that.

The man in the above story answered the girl in an effective manner. He was straightforward and lacking in any anger. His fortuitous followup with the fat chick was also a nice touch, though it would have been better for him had he done the same thing with a hotter girl. That way, he could have humiliated the first girl while giving himself a shot at scoring with an even hotter chick. The problem with using a fat chick as a drink-buying prop is that you then have to deal with entertaining her because she thinks you like her. Notice how our intrepid hero wrote that he quickly introduced the fat girl to an “open-minded friend”. I know he was trying to make a valiant reframe in the off chance that the first girl would read his CL posting, but let’s face it, open-mindedness is not the air traffic controller for the boner. To fat chicks everywhere: If you are banging a man who is seemingly out of your league, it’s not because he’s open-minded, it’s because he’s scared to shoot for better looking girls. Or he’s slumming it until something better comes along. Those last ten dates were indoors, out of the public eye, correct?

One other thing. If a girl for whom you refuse to buy a drink says to you “You had a chance at fucking me, but you ruined it by being an asshole” a good response is “Who said you had a chance with me?” Another good one: “Are you the lotto?”

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  1. on January 19, 2010 at 9:35 am Raymo in LeDroit

    I love this guy and wish I could meet him.

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  2. on January 19, 2010 at 9:41 am Danger

    Girls asks me for a drink…..

    I get her a water. The looks are priceless.

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  3. on January 19, 2010 at 9:45 am Advocatus Diaboli

    The reason I started buying sex years ago was that I quickly calculated that the cost of bedding a girl (total cost of ownership/ number of fucks) and other considerations made non-american born escorts a viable alternative.

    Plus you can always send her away if you don’t like her..

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  4. on January 19, 2010 at 9:46 am John

    I like the way you focus these days on a girls *respect* for a guy as being key to her attraction – this is so much closer to the truth that you have to be some kind of jerk or asshole to be attractive.

    To be attractive all you have to do is have some manly pride and self-respect – treat yourself with respect, and women will too. All that nonsense about being an asshole and a dick is just so much blather and never did you any credit, roissy. Probably seriously misled heaps of men who went out trying to be macho and just ended up looking like weak posturing losers.

    And why call it Game already? All it is is treating yourself with self-respect and not being a sucker to women. Is it really necessary to invent silly terms to understand so ancient and basic a concept?

    I like the new tone of this blog with its greater realism and fewer appeals to lowest common denominator sensationalism.

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  5. on January 19, 2010 at 9:54 am MB in PA

    Looks like a beta making the transition to AFC.

    Why not bang the “fattie” himself? Why brag about his “friend” getting release while he crawls in bed alone?

    Meh.

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  6. on January 19, 2010 at 10:04 am fridolin

    Richard Feynman said it best in his autobiographical collection of anectdotes “Surely you are joking Mr. Feynman”:

    “Therefore,” he continued, “under no circumstances be a gentleman! You mustdisrespect the girls. Furthermore, the very first rule is, don’t buy a girl anything – not even a package of cigarettes – until you’ve asked her if she’ll sleep with you, and you’re convinced that she will, and that she’s not lying.”.

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  7. on January 19, 2010 at 10:07 am Mala

    “Are you the lotto?”

    Hilarious.

    On a separate thought, I will be sending this to my little brother, who breaks my heart letting girls walk all over him every weekend and they treat him like a ATM. And he got good advice from Ma and Pops about women-I just don’t get it.

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  8. on January 19, 2010 at 10:14 am Thursday

    Permit me to shamelessly self promote, but my new post on female beauty and it’s relation to the sublime is up:
    http://manwhoisthursday.blogspot.com/2010/01/fire-and-air-beauty-and-its-relation-to.html

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  9. on January 19, 2010 at 10:24 am sharpcool

    I like the authors matter-of-fact and direct tone. No anger, just a man standing up for his principles. This story should be taught to all young men in high school.

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  10. on January 19, 2010 at 10:36 am z

    Here are a few MORE comebacks one could use to a chick who told them “they blew it” by not buying them a drink:

    “Are you unemployed or something?”

    “Are you on welfare and can’t even afford your own drink?”

    “You aren’t supposed to dine out if you can’t afford to tip, and you aren’t supposed to go out drinking if you can’t afford your own booze”

    “Are you my girlfriend now or did I miss anything?”

    “I only buy drinks for women Ive been on dates with” (Best one IMO)

    “If I buy you a drink, you’ll think that it automatically means you get a date with me, and Im not sure about you yet”.

    —-There are all kinds of comebacks that DHV in response to this treatment.

    —-

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  11. on January 19, 2010 at 10:37 am Hitman

    Chicks demanding free drinks have reached near epidemic levels in the Richmond bar scene. I show no mercy when telling these freeloaders to beat it.

    Cute girl: Hey, you wanna buy me a drink?

    Me: Sure, you ever had a Cleveland Steamer?

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  12. on January 19, 2010 at 10:44 am Danger

    Self-respect before pussy. Always.

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  13. on January 19, 2010 at 10:48 am z

    Cant resist:

    We are told that we aren’t supposed to dine out if we can’t afford to tip. Why then do some of us go out drinking if we can’t afford the booze?

    The above scenario can be used to explain to women about exactly why they should buy their own damn drinks. You are paying for conversation if you buy women drinks in the hopes that they will speak to you. You should at least have done some dancing (preferably of the very close kind) with her and talked to her WHILE AT A TABLE for a while (at least 10 minutes) before being willing to consider buying her a drink. If she is willing to change venue and go sit down at a table with you, preferably one away from the main walkways of the club where the humans are sexually inspected by everybody else while they promenade past, then she is making a bit of a social investment in you because she is willing to take herself out of the limelight to talk to you and take a “time-out” from checking other guys out, and letting herself be checked out.

    You could say, if you were really into the chick and did want to talk to her further: “I only like to drink sitting down, if you want to go find a table, we will simply flag down a waiter and wait on them to bring us drinks back”. You will have a good five minutes to display your value and alpha characteristics during this time, and she will have shown she was willing to talk with just -you-for that timespan. Letting them “play you for a drink” diminishes their respect for all men. Don’t let em’ do it.

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  14. on January 19, 2010 at 10:53 am Forbes

    Writer’s loooong explanation of the logic to not buy cute girl a drink screams beta. Women are emotional and reactive–logic plays no part in their understanding of the environment around them. Club/bar scene means asking for a drink from any guy that pays them attention–its success rate is better than a coin flip. A girl asking for a drink is a shit test, period. Respond accordingly–ignore the query, get her a water, insist she buy you a drink, whatever, but refrain from explaining your logic or principles unless you want her eyes to glaze over. Your response demonstrates your principles–which is more than enough for a girl to understand. It’s guys that want/need explanations so as to understand–not girls.

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  15. on January 19, 2010 at 11:01 am Mhoram

    It’s absolutely a shit test. (Or she’s so incredibly hot that she’s never had a guy not spontaneously get her a drink before, but even then it’s ultimately a shit test.) She wants to see if he’ll cave like every other guy.

    I don’t really like his answer, though. It sounds too defensive and serious to me to say not buying drinks is your “policy,” like something you came up with at Mock UN. That may have put her on the spot where she had no room to back down and laugh it off. Besides, I will buy a girl a drink–when she’s earned one. That may take no more than telling a joke that makes me laugh, but the point is I’m thanking her, not buying time with her.

    So I’d prefer something cocky and funny there, said with a smirk:

    “Do I have to give you stuff to spend time with you? Isn’t there a word for that?”

    “Oh, I can’t drink any more, I’m too much of a lightweight. If I have more than one drink, I may wake up handcuffed to a stall in the bathroom with my pants missing, and I swore that would never happen again.”

    “I’d really like to, but I spent my last twenty on a hooker in the parking lot on the way in here.”

    “I’d really like to, but I gave my last twenty to a nun who was collecting money for starving orphans in the parking lot on my way in here.”

    “I saw a guy buy you a drink a little while ago, so I think it’s your turn to get the first round this time.” (Dangerous, because it shows you were watching her.)

    Or just straightforward but friendly, and a little confused: “Why?”

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  16. on January 19, 2010 at 11:04 am Cauthon

    z-

    A couple of those are too insulting. You shouldn’t flat-out insult a chick, because it means you allowed her to impact your emotional state. The key is to not give a shit. You’re the man. She’s a mild irritant. Take it or leave it, honey.

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  17. on January 19, 2010 at 11:10 am maurice

    basic stuff. dude dodged a bullet, but i agree w/ Forbes above that the long logical explanation is better suited to blogs like this than to any entitled female princess who behaves that way instinctively. i mean, who actually reads that stuff on Craigslist? also i kinda wonder whether the “open minded friend” was the poster himself, who didn’t want to admit bedding the fattie.

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  18. on January 19, 2010 at 11:10 am AmpFit

    Forbes is right on the money.

    In fact, removing the club & bar scene from your list of social destinations is a consideration since females have an expectation that a night out should be about them. It’s a shit test as soon as the doors open for business.

    The surprise factor is a much better lubricant. Meeting women just about anywhere else removes many defenses, gives them an interesting story to tell the other hens, and generally goes further to getting you where you want to go.

    Snagging her interest without a dime sends a clear message: “Me first, my money next. You’ll have to earn your spot to approach third place”.

    Women need no other explanation other than what your actions present.

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  19. on January 19, 2010 at 11:13 am Cliff Arroyo

    “My mommy told me about girls like you. She said you have diseases, do you have a disease?”

    “That sounds like something a whore would say…. How much for a half-n-half back at my place?”

    “I worked very hard for this money. You might think that collecting pig sperm sounds like a lot of fun, and it is, but it’s also a lot of hard work.”

    “So, are you gonna blow me?”

    Are all less cringe inducing than that Craigslist guy’s screed. Credit for having principles, but no credit for driving his point into the ground until the reader is screaming for the sweet release of death.

    I’d probably casually say “Sure, you can get the next round.”

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  20. on January 19, 2010 at 11:13 am J R

    forbes is right, this long winded explanation accomplishes many things, but getting that dude laid is not one of them. when a girl says something like “buy me a drink”, i hear “i’m a huge bitch and if you want a shot at me, you better be a bigger bastard.” game on. getting her a water is cool. i typically laugh and give her a “really? you think it’s that easy.” then i point to some other dude and say, “go try that guy. he looks like a sucker.”

    also, i would say that buying a girl a drink while building attraction is definitely a mistake. once you’ve gotten over a certain hump, however, it’s ok to relax the rules a little. it may well help with comfort and rapport. just make sure it’s reciprocal. although, girls these days drink so much that at some point you’ve got to make sure she’s not getting too drunk.

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  21. on January 19, 2010 at 11:14 am Mr. N

    Depends if you want to ditch her there or string it out.

    Go to the bar get a water and a frilly colored drink with an umbrella pierced cherry. Go back to her, hand her the water and tease her by sipping “the best drink I’ve ever had.”

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  22. on January 19, 2010 at 11:33 am Anonymous

    The TRUTH… pay attention!

    Or, you could respond “You gonna give me a blowjob or better?” when she’s asks if you’re going to buy her a drink or not. (Be serious about it. She may not be a keeper if she’ll go through with it, but at least you’ll get some.)

    You buy her a drink, you’re a chump. You don’t, she’ll go to someone else who will. She just wants to look pretty, feel attractive (get men hard) and have them buy her alcohol for her all night– me, me, me; aren’t I hot?

    Let’s be honest… Play it like Full Metal Jacket, ask “What do I get get for ten dollars” If she don’t say “Everything you want?” “Everything?” “Everything.” Then let her ride.

    Love you long-time, GI! indeed.

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  23. on January 19, 2010 at 11:37 am question

    If the girl received the water ,went into bitch mode and threw it in your face. What would be the best course of action to preserve your alphaness in a public place?

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  24. on January 19, 2010 at 11:42 am Anonymous

    For all you fans of Full Metal Jack, yes, here’s the clip:

    As Winton Churchill onc said, “We’ve already established what you are, madam. Now, we’re just arguing about the price.”

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  25. on January 19, 2010 at 11:45 am Stud Dynamite

    Well, he got not buying drinks right. Roissy’s right, it’s not as bad as it’s considered in old school game but it rarely helps anything, usually you do it when you’re out of ideas how to progress and girls notice that [you’re a beta]. The only time it would make sense is if girl socially tarded and it is her attempt at “escalating” (though even then, better for her to buy) But he still has victim mentality and so he doesn’t get any:

    Just[beta] kind of[oh god] my policy[not beta, but boring/controlling and generally wtf – a “policy”? srsly?].

    Better – something cocky, neg, i.e. I like the unemployed line z posted… Can’t think of anything – just ignore. She repeats herself – make fun of her and either change the subject or C/F.
    This is in my opinion and from my experience the key, not to just pickup, but social domination in general: too many times myself I assumed the frame of “everyone is dumb and evil, screw you guys, I’m going home” and that path leads nowhere but the rightly described lonely bed. You need to learn to get what you want.

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  26. on January 19, 2010 at 11:55 am Firepower

    If you’re gonna buy a woman, skip the bullshit.

    Vackay in Thailand.

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  27. on January 19, 2010 at 12:13 pm The_King

    Good point there is def a time and place to buy a broad drinks to get her inhibitions low. If you are on a late night date and at a lounge then it is perfectly acceptable to buy her strong stuff like grateful dead or long islands. Save money and gets the job done. Buying drinks for random broads is def a waste of time and money.

    Recently at a club..

    Bitch: So are you going to buy me a drink.
    Me: No I don’t buy chicks drinks, but I’ll let you buy me one.
    Bitch: LOL (Stops waiter/bartender and orders something) Get me….
    Me:….Really?
    Bitch: (Looks at me expecting me to pay)
    Me:… No go f urself (walks away)

    American skanks are the worst for mooching.

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  28. on January 19, 2010 at 12:13 pm Mr. N

    question,

    The type and color of the drink makes it obvious its for her but you’ve decided to shit test her.

    You’re teasing her. Do it with a sly smile and she’ll try to take the drink out of your hand. This opens her up for all kinds of negs and induces her to touch you while ostensibly trying to reach the drink (kino in PUAspeek.)

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  29. on January 19, 2010 at 12:20 pm Horatio Sanchez

    “If the girl received the water ,went into bitch mode and threw it in your face. What would be the best course of action to preserve your alphaness in a public place?”

    I’d be curious to know our host’s advice on that topic. How do you reflect insults and retain your alpha cred, especially in a situation like that, when you’ll get ram-rodded if you respond with any physicality at all?

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  30. on January 19, 2010 at 12:37 pm me me me

    I love this guy and wish I could meet him too.

    *swoooooon*

    ;)))

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  31. on January 19, 2010 at 12:38 pm cz

    “You’re using your god-given assets to get free alcohol, nothing wrong with that.”

    Wrong.

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  32. on January 19, 2010 at 12:45 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “If the girl received the water ,went into bitch mode and threw it in your face. What would be the best course of action to preserve your alphaness in a public place?”

    There’s a scene in the second season of Rome. Titus is tied to a bed (se he can recover from injuries) and the house slave Eirene who hates him for very good reasons spits in his food before serving it to him. His reaction is golden: He just gives her a look that shows he thinks that’s the most wonderful thing anyone has ever done for him (sad part: it’s probably the case). Anyway, they get married soon after.

    In short: treat it as a wonderful favor she’s done for you. If not the cutest thing ever, the most romantic gesture ever. That will flummox and intrigue her.

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  33. on January 19, 2010 at 12:46 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Good for him for living by his beliefs… but he didn’t really say all that in a noisy, dark bar environment right?

    The girl probably would have zoned out after the first minute of his PUA version of “the audacity of hope” speech… Surprised she didn’t call him “Dad” after it lol.

    I could barely read through it, all I heard was “I am a recovering Omega/Beta who makes a huge deal out of stuff I’ve done to Alpha up. Ex Beta Ex Beta blah blah…” Not trying to be mean… I can imagine hearing stories from my less ethical friends about hearing things like the above thanks to someone who takes it at surface value only.

    Also girl has weak girlgame… You’re supposed to make him think it was his idea (or circle around guys getting pissed at user girls 😉 ), not ask…(that’s a joke but as many of guys probably know, the worst playettes aren’t as blatant as that girl was).

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  34. on January 19, 2010 at 12:47 pm JPIrving

    Once again Scandinavia comes out on top. Up here most girls would be offended if you try to buy them a drink or pay for dinner.

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  35. on January 19, 2010 at 12:49 pm krauserpua

    ….Or just straightforward but friendly, and a little confused: “Why?”…..

    I like this response because:
    – Throws the onus back to her to explain herself
    – Short, not try-hard
    – Direct
    – Not insulting
    – She can be confused by the many possible interpretations for why you said it

    And what is she gonna say: “Because I’m talking to you” and admit she’s a ho?

    One I normally use is: “How many of my shirts will you iron? Don’t be so sexist”. But from now on I’m taking the simple “why”.

    If she’s asked, she’s already screened herself out of anything but a pump’n’dump. Such bolshy slutty girls don’t respond to carefully crafted witticisms anyway.

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  36. on January 19, 2010 at 12:49 pm Lobo Feroz

    Some of the supposed cocky&funny responses here in the comments are actually full of hatred and resentment. She’s trying to tool you –> you dismiss the attempt in a cheerful way.

    Her: “Buy me a drink”
    You: “Wait, YOU buy me a drink!” – laughing

    Also at this point the interaction might be dead. If she’s trying to tool you this way is because she does this always – damaged goods – or you failed to properly project that you are not a doormat beforehand.

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  37. on January 19, 2010 at 12:50 pm Patrick Bateman

    “If the girl received the water ,went into bitch mode and threw it in your face. What would be the best course of action to preserve your alphaness in a public place?”

    Grab the nearest condiment (hopefully ketchup) and pour it over her head and face. Ideally you would have a pie to shove in her face but the odds of that are very low.

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  38. on January 19, 2010 at 12:57 pm PeterW

    And yet the girl can still prance away and score bevies of free drinks, and the fat girl will have poorer chances at a mate. That’s morality for you.

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  39. on January 19, 2010 at 12:57 pm Esquire

    The guy is a beta, but there’s hope. He’s learning, and he’s got some self-respect. All-important. He handled the drink-skank well.

    I occasionally buy gals drinks, I’m not tightwad just an alpha, but usually expect them to spring first (many do). Guys who think buying a drinky-poo actually gets them anything are pathetic and need to be weeded out of the gene pool (don’t worry, this is happening).

    Last time I bought a gal a drink was when I’d asked her out for drinks and she showed up looking like a million bucks. Don’t mind buying a couple G&Ts for a total hottie who MORE than delivered on the quid pro quo.

    So .. don’t ever buy gals drinks, unless they deserve it and are the antithesis of the skank in this story.

    Happy endings – even with US women – exist, but they are rare as jewels.

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  40. on January 19, 2010 at 1:13 pm DF

    I’m cosigning Krauserpua’s comment. “Why?” is a very useful response in these sort of scenarios for all the reasons outlined.

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  41. on January 19, 2010 at 1:16 pm Bill the Butcher

    J R had the best response so far. A lot of these comebacks are too clever by half or just bitterly insulting.

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  42. on January 19, 2010 at 1:17 pm Game_IN_BK

    When a girl asks me to buy her a drink and I say no- they ALWAYS get mad.

    Why do they get mad?
    My Theory:

    They can’t believe I said no to them, if -I- just a simple average looking beta says no them- what does that say about their sexual market value?

    They wanted me to buy them a drink- so that they could be validated.
    Then they turn around and tell their buds- look that loser just bought me a drink.

    But if I don’t buy them a drink they get PISSED.
    Imagine if a guy goes to the local fast food restaurant, and he asks total strangers to buy them a hamburger- if they say no, are you going to get mad at them?

    You shouldn’t be asking a stranger to buy anything for you in the first place, and if you do, you certainly shouldn’t be angry when the answer is a –NO.-

    Ever time a random girl asks for me to buy her a drink I dread it because I know they will explode.
    The anger they emit is palpable.

    Then they call you cheap, a loser, poor, or uncivilized- they lash out because you have just told them they aren’t as hot as they thought they were.

    You can buy a girl a drink- but not if she asks for it first.

    One time this bartender asked me to buy her a shot of tequila- I said no and she got PISSED.
    So damn pissed. She went from slightly flirting and bantering to dead cold silence.

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  43. on January 19, 2010 at 1:19 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    Her: “Buy me a drink?”
    Me: “Sure, but not in this dump. I know a place that servers the best Margaritas in the city. Give me your number and I’ll call you some night when I am heading there. But, so that you are invested, buy me a Sam Adams.”

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  44. on January 19, 2010 at 1:21 pm The Alchemist

    “I could barely read through it, all I heard was “I am a recovering Omega/Beta who makes a huge deal out of stuff I’ve done to Alpha up. Ex Beta Ex Beta blah blah…” Not trying to be mean”

    That’s because the part of your brain responsible for reason and logic is nothing more than vestigal appendage, you dumb broad.

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  45. on January 19, 2010 at 1:23 pm Trouble

    Those last ten dates were indoors, out of the public eye, correct?

    hahahaha

    Anyways, I agree he did the right thing by not getting her a drink. But I can’t help but think he’s slightly beta for bothering to write up that whole rant. It’s as if what happened bothered him.

    OT: I’m a bit surprised some of the “game” bloggers haven’t commented on MTV’s “Jersey Shore”.

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  46. on January 19, 2010 at 1:31 pm Game_IN_BK

    Also if many girls ask you to buy them drinks- they may think you are an easy mark.

    Time to correct that.

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  47. on January 19, 2010 at 1:36 pm Rollo Tomassi

    This guy was right for all the wrong reasons. He’s well written enough to convince readers of his moralistic sense of purpose for turning this girl down, but it’s all just self-righteous Beta-Rage.

    You can’t really disagree with his principles, and his reasonings, but look at his resentment of the “douches” ordering jager bombs and delaying him from getting his all important drink. Wasn’t that the initial premise for him even having the conversation with her? Weren’t they both waiting an eternity for a cocktail in a sea of Guidos? And did he not preface all of this by saying he’d seen this girl shoot down another guy – another “average looking” guy – most likely using the same drink expectation? Who’re we bullshitting?

    Maybe it the 22 y.o. art student naivete, but I got a news flash for him, ALL dating / fucking is a transaction on some level. Don’t wish it were easier, wish you were better. He gets props for turning her game back on her, but had she been showing IOIs, using heavy kino and he’d offered to buy her a drink (since it was so crowded, remember?) only to be shot down then his principles are less Bets-Rage blogworthy.

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  48. on January 19, 2010 at 1:38 pm Skryblah

    me: show me some id….
    her: why?
    me: I dont buy underage girls drinks.
    her: you think Im underage?
    me: I just like being safe

    at this point she’ll either get up and walk away or take out her ID at which point you have unlimited options at your disposal, compliment followed by a neg, she’ll obviously want to grab her id at which point you stand up, place the id on the table and hold it in place with your finger, then lean into her ear and whisper…

    ” the wine at my place is better and the seats softer” then walk away…to some other part of the bar.

    she’ll either come over after a few minutes or not, either way you dont buy her a drink and you either get laid or not. but you leave with your dignity intact.

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  49. on January 19, 2010 at 1:59 pm Meh.

    “Buy me a drink.”

    “Why?”

    “Because I want one.”

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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  50. on January 19, 2010 at 2:01 pm Tarl

    I could barely read through it, all I heard was “I am a recovering Omega/Beta who makes a huge deal out of stuff I’ve done to Alpha up. Ex Beta Ex Beta blah blah…”

    Yeah, yeah, but I give him credit for actually alpha-ing up. A lot of guys never figure it out. Being a recovering beta at 22 is far, far better than remaining a pathetic beta at 32 or even older.

    I also give the guy credit for writing it up and putting it out there in public for other betas to see. If another beta sees this and says, “Hmmm, you’re right, I should never buy drinks” then the world is a better place. This may be kindergarten level stuff for all you playas, but millions of betas out there are still in pre-school and this type of thought represents an amazing revelation for them.

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  51. on January 19, 2010 at 2:10 pm J R

    this whole dating = prostitution idea really doesn’t hold much water. game in BK is right. most women aren’t after a commercial exchange as much as they are after validation. there may be a few straight-up gold diggers, but they’re not the majority.

    most women are looking for validation the same way most men are looking for validation. the difference is that women get that validation from things like attention, compliments and free drinks whereas male validation comes in the form of penetration.

    in one sense, this isn’t fair. it means that women can be shallow, vapid, stupid, mean and all forms of ridicuous and many men will still cater to them in hopes of getting laid. on the contrary, men are constantly being sized up and disqualified for the slightest genetic deficit or whiff of beta behavior. it isn’t fair, but so what? life ain’t fair. get used to it.

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  52. on January 19, 2010 at 2:35 pm DC

    JR, that’s a great point. Women want validation in the form of attention, men want validation in the form of penetration.

    I have the tendency to put women on a pedestal (beta), and it still surprises me how quickly women will sleep with someone they consider alpha. I’m trying to adopt the mindset that women are generally ho-bags first and foremost. I wrote about it today here:

    http://datingrecord.blogspot.com/

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  53. on January 19, 2010 at 2:50 pm Anonymous

    Still… No head, no drink. Period.

    If it works, you’re definitely Da Man though.

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  54. on January 19, 2010 at 2:59 pm Camron

    The only problem I see with what he said was that he would help her move if he knew her better.

    You should never, ever help a girl move. Make her hire movers. You’ll just throw out your back while she bitches all day and you’re never going to lay her.

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  55. on January 19, 2010 at 3:03 pm Patrick

    With the number of quality comments on this thread, I’m surprised that nobody singled out this line for commentary:

    “I thank god for the out that he provided at that moment though. ”

    To me, this revealed the inner beta that his otherwise-sound “policy” (he shouldn’t have described it as such) was designed to conceal. Though I’d like to assume he’s using a turn of phrase rather than sincerely thanking a deity for bestowing him with a fat girl (which I agree, lowered his social value at that venue), that’s probably not the case.

    But the real problem is that he needed an “out,” from this situation that he’d engaged in — an escape. Discomfort in conflict is the bedrock of the beta soul.

    Had he instead remained where he was and put the onus on her to either beat a cunty retreat, willing discard his attention or reform her behavior, he’d have retained more self respect than by being a fat girl’s lucky day.

    His fattie-gambit didn’t work toward him flipping the situation with her because he still doesn’t understand that this is fundamentally how all women work — whether they blatantly demand freebies or not. What he did at the club and in his shaming lecture-in-life’s-lessons CL post was to effectively moan and complain about women, attempt to address them collectively with logic, and then admit his defeat with this:

    “This may just be me trying to justify going to bed alone tonight, but hey, what can you do?”

    Here’s what you’re going to do: get a nutsack and realize that well-played game would’ve put you into a position to enact your justifiable rage upon her hindquarters, rather than her frontal lobes, and that the subsequent deluge of self-respect you’ll wallow in as you closely analyze the lovely heart-shape of her ass is second to none.

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  56. on January 19, 2010 at 3:08 pm Luvsic

    Guy’s taking a good first step, but he comes across like a dork.

    His explanation’s needy in a different way.

    Last time I opened some girls and they asked me to buy them a drink, I told them “Hell no, but let’s find you a sucker that will.”

    2 of them “hated” me for it, but the 3rd’s eyes lit up.

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  57. on January 19, 2010 at 3:11 pm Anon

    “Y’know, I don’t usually hit girls until after I’ve fucked them…”

    [in black man accent] “Bitch got no class.”

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  58. on January 19, 2010 at 3:15 pm Chris

    Question –

    You get a girls number and tell her to meet you out on a first date. THEN who picks up the tab?

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  59. on January 19, 2010 at 3:30 pm Cannon's Canon

    “THEN who picks up the tab?”

    pick up the tab, turn that sumbitch sideways, and stick it directly up your CANDY ASS!

    wwe game!

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  60. on January 19, 2010 at 3:39 pm Dalrock

    “So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

    “oh, yeah sure” (reaches for wallet) “What do I owe you?”

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  61. on January 19, 2010 at 3:45 pm kam

    I thought to myself, who has the audacity to ask for a drink, when I realized that maybe this could be a drunk girl’s way of flirting. Not so much about the free drink, but more like, are you going to stay here and keep chatting with me or not. I think the only appropriate response is to say YOU can buy ME a drink and go from there.

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  62. on January 19, 2010 at 3:59 pm Anonymous

    “So, are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

    RESPONSE 1 (non verbal):
    [Smile mischieviously – turn whole body away from her without a word]

    OR

    RESPONSE 2 (verbal):
    “Go fetch me a pack of [insert cigarettes brand]. And tell me what you drink.”

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  63. on January 19, 2010 at 4:08 pm Hunter

    “naa I only buy drinks for girls I’m attracted to.”

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  64. on January 19, 2010 at 4:10 pm Rollo Tomassi

    “,..you dropped a bomb that sent shrapnel into my heart.”

    Who the fuck talks like this? This kind of prose is reserved for 22 y.o. betas who’ve read Lord of the Rings one too many times. You’re not Lord Byron, you’re lord beta.

    “And if you’re feeling particularly wild on a given night, offer to buy the guy a drink. He will be instantly smitten.”

    When’s the last time you’ve seriously used the word ‘smitten’ in conversation? This line reeks of post-modern feminist conditioning. Is he waiting to be asked to a Sadie Hawkins dance? Women don’t want to smite men, it’s the other way around.

    “You’re using your god-given assets to get free alcohol, nothing wrong with that. But it is precisely because I know that you do this that I will not be another douche who thinks he can get into your pants with a mixed drink. It’s insulting to my dignity as a man and your honor as a woman”

    My suggestion; this guy should only date the girls in his Women’s Studies classes, because they’re the only ones who’ve internalized this crap as thoroughly as he has. He’s offended by the same women, a for the same reasons, feminists would be. Again, if he’d ended up offering her a drink and banged her that night would he be so concerned with her or his own dignity? He’s not gonna get into her pants with a mixed drink, he’s gonna do it the honest, old fashioned way, errrgh,..

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  65. on January 19, 2010 at 4:13 pm Nutz

    Her: …buy me a drink.
    Me: awww how cute, so anyway….

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  66. on January 19, 2010 at 4:20 pm Liverlips

    One drink is not a big deal but the best reply would have been an amiable, “No, but you can buy me one.”

    I also like the move of getting her a water. Will try that next time.

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  67. on January 19, 2010 at 4:26 pm lovelysexybeauty

    @Alchemist
    Mm so I might be asking you to buy me some more “haterade” by responding, but to clarify – all I meant was although the guy’s points are perfectly sound and logically consistent, they are just too drawn out.  The high risk is not worth the potentially low ROI, etc. etc. for him? He took ~500 words to say something that could have been said in 100 (agreeing with Forbes’ “loooonnng” comment).  Nothing wrong with that, that’s his choice… maybe I’ve just read all the arguments against drink-buying for girls from reading Roissy/Roosh these past few years, so I focus on the subtext more.

    OK, I think user-girls give a bad name to all girls, so here’s another scenario I’ve seen girls pull:

    Girl:  I’m really thirsty.  I need a drink.
    Guy:  OK.
    Girl: My friend has my wallet so let me just find her…  You want another drink?
    Guy:  Sure, get me what’s on draft.

    Bartender: That’ll be $18.
    Girl:  Oh OK… where the f* is my friend.  Sh*t!  What am I gonna do?
    Guy:  Where did you last see her?
    Girl:  She was over there.  What the h*ll is her problem? Sh*t so I’m basically stuck here now
    Guy:   Uh… I can spot you.  BUT you owe me big OK?
    Girl:  OMG, you are a lifesaver!  Thank you!  I def owe you. Next round on me again.
    Guy:  Next TWO rounds.
    Girl: Sure! Muah!

    Sooooo bad…

    @Rollo
    Agree he’s seems to sort of be taking those first steps, he’s a beginner it seems like.

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  68. on January 19, 2010 at 4:28 pm Thom

    “Why not skip the drink and I’ll just pay you the money?”

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  69. on January 19, 2010 at 4:31 pm el chief

    My friend Mike from NYC (a lothario. he claims he invented the Neg before Mystery) was at a bar, some girl chats him up, and when he orders himself a drink, she orders one along with him, expecting him to pay…she didn’t even ask. NYC girls are advanced!

    He didn’t buy though. Although he’s banged many, I don’t think he did that night.

    I like the “order the girl a glass of water one”.

    I’ve used the “what, are you unemployed?” response before, works well.

    el chief

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  70. on January 19, 2010 at 4:33 pm gig

    I can´t comment on this buying drinks stuff since it doesn´t exist in my reality, but I´ll take Roissy´s views and agree that it was the correct choice.

    But it is hard to get a better example of passive-agressive mindset than this post

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  71. on January 19, 2010 at 5:37 pm onetrackmind

    A rather average looking girl approached me once, i was happy to smile, hold up the conversation, until she asked me to buy her a drink. genuinely surprised, a smile cracked on my face. I tapped one of my good buddies who was waiting by the bar next to me on the shoulder and pointed at the girl telling him she wanted a drink. We both procceeded to break into hysterics laughing for about 10 seconds straight, then neither of us spoke a further word to her.

    Note- this kind of dismissal is completely soul destroying. Me and my friend just have that kind of relationship where we set eachother off laughing, i would not usually treat a woman like this.

    “get out of here” with a smile will usually do.

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  72. on January 19, 2010 at 5:38 pm tal

    roissy, what if you invite a girl out for drinks? shouldn’t you buy her at least one drink if you invited her?

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  73. on January 19, 2010 at 5:41 pm alias clio

    Once again I learn through reading this blog how badly some women behave…But I’m also surprised to be reminded just how much the tide has turned against men buying women drinks or dinner under any circumstances, because it wasn’t like that when I was a young woman. Macho men *expected* to pay for drinks or dinner on a date, and got annoyed if you offered to do so, even in the hyper-feminist 1980s. Insisting on paying was, I think, a way of saying “I don’t buy that feminist bs.”

    But cadging drinks from strangers was different, even then. I do remember that strange men (I think) sometimes bought me drinks without my asking them to, but usually when I was out celebrating my birthday or something like that. Sometimes they even did it anonymously – the waitress would come up and say “a man paid for a drink for you but doesn’t want you to know who he is”. Odd, that.

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  74. on January 19, 2010 at 5:42 pm freakaholic

    I may be broke, but I was willing to go into the red to make this girl’s night and to piss you off.

    I think this says it all. I mean the “I may be broke part”. When she asked you if you were going to buy her drink, some much better responses would have been:

    1. Maybe, maybe not. Stick around.
    2. Can’t afford it.
    3. Too early to tell.
    4. Depends on what you’re drinking.
    5. I was hoping you’d buy me one.
    6. No. And smile when you say it, and forget the “it’s not my policy” bullshit. Your sacred policy may be defensible in a court of law but it will probably change once you have money to waste on bar skanks such as the one you chatted up.)
    7,. Since you ask, not now, maybe later, depends.

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  75. on January 19, 2010 at 5:59 pm ephebophile

    Two points…

    1.
    This is my kid sister pure and simple. She never takes money with her to the bar scene. She gets all the drinks she wants from men. Then heads over to the college girl dike bar and bangs/gets banged by bi-chics and lesbians.

    Sadly, girls don’t even have to pay cover.

    2.
    As a sometime club & bar owner… alcohol is virtually free and I still often say no.

    I turn the shit test into I reverse shit.

    There have been a number of girls who kept a level head, and still got a drink out of me. No is in fact negotiable.

    Their most effective play is dropping into a lil girls voice and softly lisping: Pweese get me a drink, I’ve been a good girl.

    Not taking no for an answer shows positive determination, which is a massive investment that easily translates into screaming OMGs.

    Or sometimes I, yell to the bartender: A round for everyone, on the house. (a Golddiggers eyes will light up)

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  76. on January 19, 2010 at 6:07 pm SeZ

    I would think that if you’re having a good conversation with anyone regardless of gender, you wouldn’t mind buying them a drink cuz good conversation don’t come that regularly. Also he mentioned that they’re both poor art students. I would think that if you’re strapped for cash and things are going well with a hottie so far, you wouldn’t mind buying her a drink, instead of using that same $8 to make her jealous. Seriously, if he had just bought her the drink, I’m pretty sure he would have banged her (if the convo really was as good as he said it was). Trying to spite her was a complete waste of time. Fair enough girls really shouldn’t go around expecting drinks, but if you get a nice bit of rapport going, surely $8 is a worthy investment, and after that good convo she really wouldn’t mind giving you her number at least.
    I agree with the notion of not buying her a drink when you’ve just met her. Maybe down the line after like a good 30mins and things are goin well, you can offer to buy her one and then continue the convo at a table or something
    With the idea of buying drinks, wouldn’t denying her a drink seem like you ARE thinking of drink=sex? You may not follow that usual method as most guys do but by acknowledging you don’t buy girls drinks would mean that you in fact ARE thinkin along those lines? when really it should just be people appreciating each other’s company and reciprocating the polite gesture.
    Don’t buy her drinks until she’s earned it

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  77. on January 19, 2010 at 6:13 pm SDaedalus

    Isn’t there an element of drinks bought=belt notches for women? Never underestimate inter-group female competitiveness. In an era such as that described by Alias Clio, the female competitive instinct presumably also existed, but, where all men bought drinks as a matter of course, would have focused on other matters. The scarcity of the bought drink makes it more valuable from point of view of proving one’s worth, consequently more efforts are made to obtain it.

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  78. on January 19, 2010 at 6:13 pm Reductio ad absurdum

    Along the lines of what Thom suggested:

    her: “You wanna buy me a drink?”

    me:

    Good times.

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  79. on January 19, 2010 at 6:14 pm Reductio ad absurdum

    Woops. That should read:

    me : Toss a ten dollar bill towards her.

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  80. on January 19, 2010 at 6:25 pm Nutz

    Just remembered something I learned from AFC Adam: Qualify the woman and disqualify everyone else.

    Her: …buy me a drink.
    Me: You seem nice so maybe later, unlike all the other girls here that just use guys for drinks.

    It’s essentially a double bind. People like living up to other peoples’ expectations. In addition to bypassing the shit test aspect it also makes them NOT want to come off as a run of the mill drink skank. If she’s socially savvy whatsoever the issue of buying her a drink won’t even come up again. Now, here’s the key thing to remember, if you spend the next 10 or 15 minutes talking to her and getting her invested, if you don’t buy her a drink when it’s tine to get another round then you’ll come off like a cheapskate. And IMO that’s fine since if I have been talking to someone long enough we’re going to end up buying each other rounds. That’s just the socially acceptable thing to do. That’s where you should be taking the interaction anyway.

    Key thing to remember here is to get passed that short period where she’s tooling you as women are prone to these days and get to the point where you’ve flipped the script and she’s INVESTING. Once they get so heavily invested they’ll want to get a return on that investment, which could be a day 2, sex, etc.

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  81. on January 19, 2010 at 6:31 pm I_Affe

    What’s with some of the anger focused at this guy? Now I know that all of Roissy’s poster are the alpha-iest alphas who ever alpha-ed, but the 22-year old is just venting/elucidating his actions to Craigslist and more importantly to himself.

    Yes he could have handled things better, but what he did was good and buying the fat girl a drink but not the hipster was a hilarious move.

    Besides the most alpha thing he could have done would be to whip off his pants exposing his giant dong and then proceed to have a threesome with Megan Fox and a 23-year old Heidi Klum right there in the bar in front of that hipster and everyone else. That’s what I would have done.

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  82. on January 19, 2010 at 6:34 pm Mingus

    ME: “no, thanks……ladies first”

    i also say “no thanks” when a bum asks me for $ on the street. you should see the look on their face. they usually don’t know how to respond to that.

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  83. on January 19, 2010 at 7:06 pm Walker Texas Lever

    Possible comeback – “Sorry, I only buy drinks for minors.”

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  84. on January 19, 2010 at 7:06 pm Powers

    Do women say anything that is not either

    1. A shit test.

    Or

    2. Her telling you exactly what she wants or likes about you (e.g. “you’re an asshole”).

    Also, I’ve learned to interpret everything women say backwards:

    That’s so sweet = I have no respect for you
    You’re an asshole = I don’t know why I’m attracted to you

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  85. on January 19, 2010 at 7:08 pm BetaNoob

    Alcowhore: So are you going to buy me a drink

    BetaNoob: It was nice talking to you. start’s to walk away

    Alcowhore: So buy me a drink and lets keep it going

    BetaNoob: How about you buy me a drink and we will see if we can keep it going

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  86. on January 19, 2010 at 7:09 pm hiphopanonamous

    Just throwing this out there…

    I did the water trick one time. Then the cuntbag threw it on my crotch so it looked like I peed myself.

    Now, granted this was a few years ago when the concept of game was still new to me.

    But…buyer beware!

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  87. on January 19, 2010 at 7:27 pm The Specimen

    “Sorry, my job as a sweatshop seamstress doesn’t pay enough for me to go around buying drinks for just ANY ‘ol chick run into.”

    This is best delivered impeccably well dressed and groomed while holding a tumbler of single malt scotch or snifter of top shelf brandy.

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  88. on January 19, 2010 at 7:29 pm Tarl

    i also say “no thanks” when a bum asks me for $ on the street.

    Hey, then I guess what I say to bums would also work on chicks trying to cozen me into buying drinks:

    “I care too much to allow you to be trapped in the cycle of dependency!”

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  89. on January 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm Munch

    he seemed a little defensive – a simple “no, but you can buy me one” wold have been fine. If it ended the encounter no worse than any other end due to not buying her a drink, if she kept talking – good.

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  90. on January 19, 2010 at 7:46 pm RandomUser

    It’s pretty simple – would you buy a guy you just met a drink if you were having a decent conversation about the game or whatever? (No, unless as part of ongoing shouting).

    Same for the invite out – the invitation to join you and share your company is enough or it seems like you’re paying with drinks for someone to put up with you.

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  91. on January 19, 2010 at 7:49 pm dog

    Wave a twenty in front of her nose then shove it down your pants. Say, “Go ahead. You can even keep the change.”

    (Note: make sure the bartender is not looking or he will not accept the twenty.)

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  92. on January 19, 2010 at 8:03 pm Lupo

    @fridolin: I read that passage as an undergraduate, and never forgot it. Feynman was a genius and a real ladies man. The rare bits he writes about what we now call “game” are precious artifacts which should be studied like priceless medieval manuscripts.

    No woman has dared ask me to buy her a drink since the last time I was in a titty bar (a pal had never seen a naked white lady before). I’m pretty sure I’d laugh scornfully. What am I? A fucking ATM machine?

    I’ve told bros variations on this, like “don’t spend more than $10-20 on a girl until she puts out.” Some of them try to maintain this in a relationship involving lots of dinner dates and nights out at bars. You can do this if your judo is strong -and I admit I have, even when I have a lot more money than them, because I am a bad person. But, if you must go to restaurants, forking over a couple of bucks for a plate of spaghetti or a drink once in a while to keep ’em happy is a sound investment. Dudes who insist on going dutch every time they bring a girl out somewhere: massive insecure beta dumbness. Don’t take her out to dinner if you’re going to try crap like that. On the other hand, if you can get her to pay for everything, go for it. It’s the dutch thing that is lame and beta.

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  93. on January 19, 2010 at 8:23 pm Buying a Drink | Considerations

    […] this story came to mind as I read this post from Craig’s List on buy­ing drinks for girls, as quoted by Roissy in DC: “So are you gonna buy me a drink […]

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  94. on January 19, 2010 at 9:11 pm sharpcool

    I agree with I_Affe. It’s not like the guy really said all of this in the bar or expected her to read the post on Craigs list. He’s just explaining the nut and bolts of his philosophy for the benefit of entitled women and gullible beta guys out there. Yeah there’s a few beta moments in the story but for the most part he’s on the right track.

    If you got decent game in the first place and the girl is interested in you, you’ll be able to get way with not buying her a drink, or at least hold out for awhile and get her to chip in buy you a drink or two eventually.

    Her: Hey ya gonna buy me a drink?

    You: Why don’t we do something different and you buy me a drink first? If this goes well I’ll get you one later. Deal?

    Something to that effect. No need for a song a dance. Any variation of that, obviously this works better if you have a humorous, disarming delivery. Just don’t give in and keep talking to her.

    If she doesn’t go for it and walks away than she wasn’t that interested in the first place. There are other girls in the bar.

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  95. on January 19, 2010 at 9:29 pm alias clio

    Don’t want to give the impression that things were *that* different in the early 1980s. The move towards “going Dutch” all the time was still getting established, but it had definitely getting begun. It took some time because the idea that the man pays was pretty deeply entrenched by that time. (It’s funny because at one time in history a young man courted a respectable woman at her parents’ house, where *they* paid for everything…)

    It was when I was at university., and had slightly older would-be suitors with jobs, that I discovered that offering to pay my share could get an irritable reaction from a man. Younger male w-b-s didn’t tend to ask girls out on dates, they made advances to you at parties, that sort of thing. And if you agreed to meet them for a drink some time, you paid your way as a matter of course, on the assumption that as students neither of you had much money. More like today, in other words. Still, all the men who’ve taken me out have paid for me unless I insisted on paying.

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  96. on January 19, 2010 at 9:40 pm Cat Patrol

    Last time this happened to me, I was at a Stateline Casino bar after a Pat Benetar concert. My ol lady had gotten too drunk and was passed out in the room. I went downstairs to have a few more beers.

    There was this middle aged hagster sitting next to me, laughing and joking with a bunch of other losers. All of a sudden she asks me to buy her a drink. I say Why would I want to buy YOU a drink” The look on her face was priceless.

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  97. on January 19, 2010 at 9:45 pm Cat Patrol

    I know women who brag about how they can make men buy them drinks and how they can often go out and get drunk all at the expense of men.

    They also call all men who approach them “applicants”.

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  98. on January 19, 2010 at 10:33 pm [blank]

    Dennis Hopper rushes to divorce wife as he lies on death bed

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/my_wife_pig_for_luxury_hopper_rzClOq5JtFceVqG5biJQtI#ixzz0d3YPbSOU

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  99. on January 19, 2010 at 10:51 pm Advocatus Diaboli

    Do you know that the EXIF tags in smartphone picture files can contain information about GPS coordinates of the picture.. self shot sluts should take note.. an increasing number use smartphones like the iPhone.

    I have seen examples on some BBS of such pictures being used to locate houses and identify gals, and extracting personal contact info.

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  100. on January 19, 2010 at 11:43 pm Ali C

    When a girl asks me point-blank if I want to buy her a drink, I usually agree but then add a caveat, like “Sure…you buy the first round, I’ll get the second.” She’ll get the idea.

    Freakaholic: I like “Maybe. Maybe not. Stick around.” I might use that next time I’m at a bar.

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  101. on January 19, 2010 at 11:44 pm Brody

    if she asks me to buy her a drink i say i have to take a dump and walk off. if she’s still there when i come back, she passes my own shit test.

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  102. on January 20, 2010 at 12:19 am Ali C

    If you want to be more intimate, you can whisper “I need to take a dump” in her ear.

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  103. on January 20, 2010 at 1:08 am aoefe

    Quite honestly I never knew there were expectations when someone bought me a drink. One time (at band camp) a group of men bought me and my two friends our entire meal and drinks – a hefty tab. They hadn’t talked to us all night – just paid the tab and told the server to let us know. I went over to thank them and one of the men said it was his pleasure; he’d enjoyed watching me all evening he said. I honestly didn’t think there was anything tied to this. He asked where my friends and I were headed and I mentioned Tangerine (Vegas) and he said he’d see us there. We went, it was too crowded (I had sex just walking across the dance floor) and we left and went to another night club. It didn’t occur to me AT ALL that there was an expectation to meet up for sure for sure later. I’m wondering if perhaps girls just don’t know? I’m sure now reading this I totally ticked him off – but it didn’t occur to me. So dude if you’re reading this and you were wearing a Hawaiian shirt at Margaritaville I’m sorry. 😦

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  104. on January 20, 2010 at 1:18 am unlearning genius ...

    “alias clio”

    Don’t want to give the impression that things were *that* different in the early 1980s.

    Damn i was wearing diapers then! . Good to see you again nana ..

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  105. on January 20, 2010 at 1:23 am Corey

    General relationship advice:

    What is the best way to respond to the “do you think that girl is hotter/cuter/more attractive than I am” question?

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  106. on January 20, 2010 at 1:25 am Mr. C

    Some options.

    Her: Buy me a drink ?
    You: Looking at her in mock dissapointment…. “What a shame , and I was just beginning to like you”

    Her: Buy me a drink ?
    You: “Tell you what , you buy me a drink and the next one is on me”

    Her: Buy me a drink?
    You: “Sure, what would you like to drink?
    Her: I want a …..
    You: Ok cool , that will be $8 please.

    Her: Buy me a drink ?
    You: Ok , go to the bar and buy yourself one under my running tab , its under my name …. ” insert random name ”
    Let her go to the bar while you walk away.
    If she has the gall to approach you afterwards about not being able to get that drink … you would have had time to think of an appropriate response.

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  107. on January 20, 2010 at 1:26 am unlearning genius ...

    Yo beta fucks! why are ypu making such a big deal out of this? You can see a vibe when a woman uis hanging with you if she wants it or is just tooling you. If she is attracted to you, buying the drink is a good thing to do.

    Women who do not want it, rarely approach me anymore ..

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  108. on January 20, 2010 at 4:05 am SDaedalus

    Alias Clio writes

    It’s funny because at one time in history a young man courted a respectable woman at her parents’ house, where *they* paid for everything…)

    Not to mention the concept of the dowry, in the absence of which even very pretty women found it difficult to get their preferred husband. In a pre-social security era, the physical survival of a man and that of his family could well have depended on a wife with a good dowry. For the consequences of marriage in disregard of a dowry, see Charles Palliser: the Quincunx, in particular the story of Miss Quilliam.

    It hasn’t always been practically possible for all men (as opposed to the rich) to choose an LTR partner solely on the basis of looks, and of course in a much more rigid social structure family background also bore some relevance.

    Equally, 19th century women would have been much more conversant with the concept of “settling” than their sisters today.

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  109. on January 20, 2010 at 4:21 am O-face

    “If the girl received the water ,went into bitch mode and threw it in your face. What would be the best course of action to preserve your alphaness in a public place?”

    preserve???? You almost sound like a girl who is asking for advice on how to get her makeup to stay on all night.

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  110. on January 20, 2010 at 4:36 am xsplat

    Her – “Buy me a drink.”

    – “Why, are you my date for tonight?”
    – “Oh, I’m liking the inner whore in you! Oh, wait, or is that your inner tease?”
    – Just stare at her, unblinking. Don’t speak or stop staring until she changes the subject. Or get bored with that game and change it yourself.
    – “Well that’s sweet that you want more of my attention, but buying you a drink is kind of like gambling, don’t you think? I’ve always thought lotto was idiot tax.”
    – “Do a table dance first.”

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  111. on January 20, 2010 at 5:31 am Stone

    First of all, if this pal is a poor student he shouldn’t be looking to get laid in places where drinks cost $8. When I was in college, I used to go to keggers where you paid $2 for a cup at the door, and then drank all night.
    This shit at clubs ain’t free. Well, it’s free for good looking girls who find suckers to pay for them, but hey, that’s life.

    I have also used “are you unemployed or something?” but sometimes the girl really is broke, a student, starving artist, whatever. No big deal to buy drinks for a girl like that, of course if she asks nicely. Sometimes she needn’t even ask, I’d get her a drink myself.
    This particular girl sounded like a bitch, so he did right by not buying her a drink. But whole rant is pathetic. Just move on, dude. Say something like “if I had to pay for a girl’s company, I know a place where it’d run me cheaper” and move on.

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  112. on January 20, 2010 at 8:29 am unlearning genius

    Talking of immoral females, here is a real one … amanda knox .. and the meredith kercher murder trial

    all this dull talk of buying women drinks os so elementary …
    Yes, i have already made up my mind, but want to see what you guys think.

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  113. on January 20, 2010 at 8:47 am Gamma Man

    Best reply: (always with a smile) I’ĺl buy you a drink if you buy me one first. If she doesn’t , move on.

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  114. on January 20, 2010 at 9:12 am aoefe

    “If the girl received the water ,went into bitch mode and threw it in your face. What would be the best course of action to preserve your alphaness in a public place?”

    Laugh like you expected it. Hearty, head thrown back. It will tick her off – she’ll leave and you will have held your ground. Do NOT get angry. Do not look shocked (a hard one). But if you’re going to do a ‘jerk’ move then expect a jerk reaction. (I understand jerk moves can work – especially if applied with humour).

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  115. on January 20, 2010 at 10:25 am Markku

    I like the idea of getting her water. Has anyone done that?

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  116. on January 20, 2010 at 10:31 am the_alpha_male

    “I’ll buy you one if you buy me 2 of the same”

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  117. on January 20, 2010 at 10:59 am PatrickH

    Of course I’ll buy you a drink, dear.
    [To bartender] Budweiser for the lady!
    [Glance at her hip/buttock/thigh region] Excuse me, make that a Bud Light.

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  118. on January 20, 2010 at 11:11 am AMF

    Why this obsession with buying girls drinks at bars (or buying them anything for that matter)? I’m there to meet people and try to fuck a girl, not give my dollars to every chick that entertains me for 5 minutes.

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  119. on January 20, 2010 at 11:19 am The Specimen

    There are a lot of bitter sounding responses here. I think getting her a glass of water is a massive win, though I suspect it would win more social stripes from those watching than from the woman the move is perpetrated on.

    The master player can quickly turn the situation to his advantage. Regardless of your delivery, you should basically ask why you should buy her, of all people, a drink. What makes her special and different from the hundreds of other women you’ve chatted up in bars? Let her know she might very well get a drink out of you, but she’s going to have to do some work to get it. Now you’re a challenge, she’s seeking your approval, and you have hand in the situation. As the G would say, the rest is up to you.

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  120. on January 20, 2010 at 11:29 am question

    O-face, people got the gist of the question.

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  121. on January 20, 2010 at 11:32 am Confidunce

    Many of the suggested witticisms in these comments are fucking stupid. They are clunky and have beta punchlines. Like the angry lashbacks of oft-scorned nerds who’ve decided that they’re not going to take it anymore.

    Look her in the eye, say “no,” and wait for her to respond.

    Don’t act resentful that she’s trying to play you. They call this shit “game,” not “scrimmage.” And they’re trying to win, too.

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  122. on January 20, 2010 at 11:39 am 3point5

    I’ve been beta-had by offering to get round 2, she rolls up, buys 3 drinks (1 for her friend) and when the tender needs paid she flops to you (I don’t have my card, my friends has it – can you pay??) – I don’t mind stiffing a dumb bitch, but I am not about to hang the bartender, especially at a place that I like & they like me.

    My line is no line – Use strong body language – stand up tall, slightly tilt/turn your head and give her a raised eye brown and complete silence.

    If you can’t transition that into a (same venue) area change or a non-commital banter, than just walk away – go back to your wing or go open a girl with the situation that just ensued –

    But honestly, there are a million ways to handle this situation – just don’t be the guy that get his card out…

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  123. on January 20, 2010 at 11:48 am titan

    “So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

    Let’s start with the “what”, then we’ll need the drinks afterwards

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  124. on January 20, 2010 at 12:13 pm Gx1080

    That reads like the guy just discovered his dignity. Good first step, but it can be improved. There’s plenty of suggestions already, but it amounts to: Have a sense of humor and mindfuck her.

    Mindfucking a woman is a neccesary step for the fucking that you do with your dick.

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  125. on January 20, 2010 at 12:29 pm biktopia

    In Eastern Europe, drinks are so cheap, you can even buy a round for the girl and her girlfriends, even buy their boyfriends a glass to avoid any trouble, now, try that in sweden where a small beer is 5 dollar, well, no one buys a girl they just met a drink just like that.

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  126. on January 20, 2010 at 12:56 pm purple999

    How has nobody commented about the Texas Longhorns All-American QB Colt McCoy proposing to his girlfriend at the 50-yard line of Texas’ field? I tried to supply the link, but It wouldn’t take for some reason. Talk about Beta?

    The guy is about to make about $50mm and haul in any ass he wants, and he gets married to his college sweetheart?

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  127. on January 20, 2010 at 1:18 pm Firepower

    McCoy should’ve focused on returning to The Game instead of padding his NFL future with injury prevention and sacrificial castration to a trophy bitch.

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  128. on January 20, 2010 at 1:19 pm gig

    my life revolves around clubs with minimum consumption or open bar schemes

    by minimum consumption I mean places in which you pay a fee of, say, 100, and you have the right to drink 100. if the amount you drank is greater than 100, you pay the 100 plus the excess. that means you are a loser if you drink, say, 60. girls have lower minimum consumption, around half of the guys´, so the whole “buying drinks stuff” doesn´t apply.

    open bar schemes involve paying a fee to enter then getting drinks for free inside, as much as you want. Usually open bar is associated with lines and some other difficulties in getting drinks. they are also heavily geared towards the 18-21 crowd

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  129. on January 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm purple999

    McCoy is a lock for 2010 Beta of the Year. What a douche.

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  130. on January 20, 2010 at 1:49 pm Firepower

    C’mon roiss:

    You gotta ramp it up after the recent threat.

    Don’t snatch defeat out of the mouth of victory.

    Just defeat
    the mouth of snatch
    out with victory

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  131. on January 20, 2010 at 2:20 pm Slam

    I agree that this is a ‘shit test’ but it’s also an IOI. This girl was VERY interested in the author. But then the author said and acted strange and completely weirded her out. Sure, the right choice is NOT to buy the drink. Instead a cocky/funny response might work or even, “Sure, I’ll buy you a drink if you buy me one.” The author just acted too much like a jerk which put the girl very much on the defensive. To a lot of women, “Buy me a drink” means, “I want to talk to you more”, that’s all. In this case, since he clearly says they had been vibing for awhile, she wasn’t just using him to get drinks; she really liked him. The author comes off as socially clueless because he’s responding to what she says instead of how she behaves.

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  132. on January 20, 2010 at 2:28 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Colt McCoy from what I heard is a strong practicing Christian. His wife is very pretty and seems sweet. If he is living according to his faith (and getting married for that reason), is he instant Beta? If I had talent like that I’d probably thank God too.

    I thought Alphas have the ability to get high quality girls; doesn’t mean he must to act on that ability no?

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  133. on January 20, 2010 at 3:31 pm dragnet

    “How has nobody commented about the Texas Longhorns All-American QB Colt McCoy proposing to his girlfriend at the 50-yard line of Texas’ field?”

    God what a moron. His pre-nup had better be so bulletproof a tank shell couldn’t bust it.

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  134. on January 20, 2010 at 4:11 pm Rollo Tomassi

    What I find most ironic about this whole scenario is that a woman would ever need to resort to asking a guy to buy her a drink.

    On any given night, in even the most rural locations you can find a bar or club with a “Lady’s Night” where if the dirnks aren’t free between 9pm and 12am then the cover charge is waived for no other reason than you have a vagina. If not that then it’s two-for-one or some such deal at happy hour.

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  135. on January 20, 2010 at 4:20 pm Corey

    Colt McCoy was actually expected to be a second round draft pick before his recent injury. At this point, we could be talking about a guy that gets drafted in the third or fourth round and never makes an impact in the NFL.

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  136. on January 20, 2010 at 4:27 pm Zunder

    Cute Girl: “So you gonna buy me a drink or what”?
    Guy: Ï’ll go with the “or what”
    Cute Girl: “What”?
    Guy: Exactly.

    Next.

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  137. on January 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm xsplat

    lovelysomething

    Colt McCoy from what I heard is a strong practicing Christian. His wife is very pretty and seems sweet. If he is living according to his faith (and getting married for that reason), is he instant Beta?

    If a guy is living according to his faith, and his faith makes him give up so much power to his spouse that this eventually lessens her sexual attraction for him, then both his faith and his actions are beta.

    I don’t buy this living according to your faith bullshit. Everyone lives according to your faith, whether you congregate in a church or on a blog. There is nothing righteous about it. And it doesn’t excuse the cause and effect of decisions nor affect the efficacy of strategy.

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  138. on January 20, 2010 at 5:42 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ xsplat

    that this eventually lessens her sexual attraction for him

    But this is the key isn’t it, and the answer to LSBs question.

    He’s not a beta just for getting married. But if she turns out to be a gold digger or a bossy bitch or whatever, then that’s a different story.

    At the end of the day, an alpha is someone who can get what he wants. If this guy wants to get married, and ends up having a happy marriage, then the man is an alpha.

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  139. on January 20, 2010 at 6:00 pm Mr. C

    Quote: “I agree that this is a ’shit test’ but it’s also an IOI. This girl was VERY interested in the author. But then the author said and acted strange and completely weirded her out. Sure, the right choice is NOT to buy the drink. Instead a cocky/funny response might work or even, “Sure, I’ll buy you a drink if you buy me one.” The author just acted too much like a jerk which put the girl very much on the defensive. To a lot of women, “Buy me a drink” means, “I want to talk to you more”, that’s all. In this case, since he clearly says they had been vibing for awhile, she wasn’t just using him to get drinks; she really liked him. The author comes off as socially clueless because he’s responding to what she says instead of how she behaves.”

    You Sir , are a damn fool.

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  140. on January 20, 2010 at 7:40 pm Nashville

    There is an Apocalypse Opener type response for just this “So are you going to buy me a drink?” question.

    Reply, “So are you going to put out?”

    There are three possible answers:

    1) “Yes.” Proceed with celebratory drink purchase. You and the lady have just concluded a business transaction. A kiss is an acceptable substitute for a handshake. Mentally inventory which positions you’d like to try that night.

    2) “Maybe (or some variant thereof; this includes shocked stare)…” Do not purchase drink. She has certainly considered the topic but isn’t comfortable enough to say yes. She may well even laugh, in which case you are almost at ‘yes.’ In any case, immediately turn the conversation to sex. I should not have to explain where such talk can ultimately lead.

    3) “No/You’re an asshole/Are you calling me a slut?” Obviously do not buy the drink. Nonchalance in your response is key here. Remember, you’ve done nothing wrong and should not act defensive if she attempts to call you on it. Say “okay” in a calm, neutral voice, and change the subject to something else. Do it smoothly enough and she may just raise the topic again later, fully aware of what she’s offering in return.

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  141. on January 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm xxx

    “So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

    Get the hell out of here

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  142. on January 20, 2010 at 10:01 pm links for 2010-01-20 « Marty Andrade

    […] The Story Of A Man Who Refused To Buy A Girl A Drink « Roissy in DC // Via Captain Capitalism. (tags: dating funny women gender) […]

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  143. on January 20, 2010 at 10:27 pm Keith

    I’d kinda like to see the reply

    “No, but I’ll by myself one, and I might let you have a sip.”

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  144. on January 20, 2010 at 10:57 pm lovelysexybeauty

    @xsplat
    I can see your point about all of us choosing to believe in something and live by it.

    So in that sense SA’s alternative definition of an Alpha as “someone who gets what he wants”… someone who is master of his own destiny is a good one I think.

    There are guys out there who marry young and manage to keep their wives in check…

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  145. on January 20, 2010 at 11:05 pm Desert Cat

    If the girl received the water ,went into bitch mode and threw it in your face. What would be the best course of action to preserve your alphaness in a public place?

    I know this has been answered a few times already, but the first response that popped into my head was to look at her with a bemused expression through the dripping water, then break out into a boisterous belly laugh.

    Then turn and walk away.

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  146. on January 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm Miami

    Off topic: does anybody have a Protip for someone trying to let a girl down easy? I’ve been talking with this girl for a while, but I decided I’m not interested.

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  147. on January 20, 2010 at 11:25 pm Joey

    “So, are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

    “I’ll make you a deal – you buy us the first round and I’ll get the next two.”

    (a) shit test thrown back at her.
    (b) If she’s game she’ll still have to earn that second and third round by keeping your attention.
    (c) If you get that far, she’s well on her way to Uninhibitedland and has just spent 45 minutes trying to keep you interested in her.
    (d) If she’s obviously just trying to get three drinks for the price of one, you’ll know this before the third round is ordered – walk away – you’re even.

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  148. on January 20, 2010 at 11:26 pm XCite

    half of these responses overreact and are way too try-hard

    laugh mockingly and say, “you have to work for a drink, these arent for free”

    no bad emotions, no abrupt stops. passes and exceeds her s-test. challenges her to do more.

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  149. on January 21, 2010 at 2:44 am DC

    The responses are this thread are almost universally dreadful, full of betas who equate assholishness with alphadom.

    They’ve taken the first step toward recovery by acknowledging their betaness and striving to change, but not many have gotten past the bitter & angry stage.

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  150. on January 21, 2010 at 3:51 am Glengarry

    I’d go for the Cute Kid frame, “Drink? No way, you’re too young to drink”, and take it from there.

    If she’s older, “No mademoiselle, I will not; booze wrinkles and puffs, and I consider thus destroying Beauty a crime against Nature”.

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  151. on January 21, 2010 at 7:37 am Jack

    This is bizarre. If the American scene now features women who pay attention to men, that is a GOOD thing. Far worse is not getting any attention at all. Far, far, far worse. I remember the USA for being the latter in comparison with other countries.

    If you’re being seen as having more of an ability to pay than the other guys in a joint, that is a good thing as long as you’re not being seen as more of a chump than other guys. In general it will be the former. That is good.

    In the above situation, trade the drink for the phone number, properly tested and preferably with an agreement to see you again at a specific time.

    If you are more interested in another woman, trade a drink for a promise to be a wing-woman to help you meet that other.

    This provides you with a tangible immediate return.

    Whatever you do, don’t get defensive or bitter when you realize someone is mercenary. Work it to your advantage. If $8 will buy more conversation, what will $200 do? Ask politely as part of a respectful conversation. Be businesslike and respectful of the other person’s point of view. Work it to your advantage. You already know this is not someone you will be marrying.

    Most of the cute but insulting comments offered above are not alpha if you do it to the best looking person in the room or someone who could have helped you meet that person. They come across as less “principle” and more “I’m on a serious budget”.

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  152. on January 21, 2010 at 9:06 am anoukange

    As a girl, I tell guys to NEVER, ever buy girls drinks and tell girls to never ask a guy to….and I’m old fashioned when it comes to courtship. I can’t believe girls actually ASK men to buy them drinks. Sometimes I have guys insist on buying me a drink and instead of ordering my $12-15 martini, I switch to a draft beer for them…’cause I’m cool like that. Unless of course he’s in a three-piece suit, which most men my age are in DC, then I may consider a glass of house red.

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  153. on January 21, 2010 at 9:15 am Cannon's Canon

    “So, are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

    “Oh, you want to see my penis already? That was fast.”

    Now she can’t help but visualize your penis throughout the rest of the night. You planted the seed (proverbially) in her mind. Don’t let her down! She suggested it, after all.

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  154. on January 21, 2010 at 10:46 am Phenomenal One

    @ Jack

    why should you pay for anything ?
    LOL @ a drink for a phone number

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  155. on January 21, 2010 at 10:56 am mas

    slightly off topic but wonder if this has any implications

    A single sublingual dose of testosterone in women causes a substantial increase in fair bargaining behaviour

    http://bit.ly/90PASZ

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  156. on January 21, 2010 at 11:12 am ATrain

    Roissy,

    I only seem to attract women of low self-esteem. I date many women, but the ones that fall in love with me are always of low self-esteem. What could be causing this pattern?

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  157. on January 21, 2010 at 3:39 pm gunslingergregi

    If you are at the club with all chicks the guys will buy you drinks as well to buy you off on the no cockblock. lol

    Pimpin ain’t easy.

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  158. on January 21, 2010 at 3:56 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’alias clio,
    (It’s funny because at one time in history a young man courted a respectable woman at her parents’ house, where *they* paid for everything…)””””””””

    Hell yea and I got fed good in high school he he he

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  159. on January 21, 2010 at 4:00 pm gunslingergregi

    My problem is when it is a woman I love I have no problem blowing 25k in 2 weeks like it wasn’t shit. I like nice places. I want to take her out to nice places.

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  160. on January 21, 2010 at 5:05 pm Jack

    Phemonenal,

    Because, for instance, a mercenary can recruit a few 18 year old friends to do CFNM at your place for $300. Having mercenary female friends adds variety to the normal world of simultaneously dating a few women who think you are being exclusive with them. Casual sex for free is the rarest of results/goals. You either directly pay or you get into relationships. The good news is that there are so many amateur whores who haven’t turned their first trick yet but will for you if you frame it the right way and respect her beforehand for considering things.

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  161. on January 21, 2010 at 5:24 pm Jack

    Marc Rudov’s POV is interesting but he is wrong on a number of issues:

    1) Nothing wrong for paying an agreed to price with an amateur whom you’ve talked into becoming a whore.

    2) Nothing wrong with dating younger women (Rudov dates his own age – 50 somethings)

    3) Nothing wrong with keeping your 3 different gfs supplied with Valentines presents

    4) He is embarrassed about discussing the IMBRA issue on TV or radio because he thinks most men despise men who date foreign women and would agree with the law.

    5) He needlessly upset Dr. Laura saying men should never show chivalry.

    6) He has stated that date rape is impossible if a woman goes to a guy’s hotel room.

    The rule of not paying for women should mainly apply to a situation where you haven’t even gotten a kiss on the mouth yet or the woman’s cell phone number.

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  162. on January 21, 2010 at 5:50 pm xsplat

    mas

    slightly off topic but wonder if this has any implications

    A single sublingual dose of testosterone in women causes a substantial increase in fair bargaining behaviour

    Yes it does. The strategy for men, when bargaining with women, is…

    DON”T BARGAIN.

    Control resources. Shaming is useless. Women are socialized by other women, not by men, and don’t bargain in good faith. Don’t trust them, manipulate them.

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  163. on January 21, 2010 at 8:31 pm gerrymander

    Dude missed an opportunity. The response to “are you going to buy me a drink?” after 20+ minutes of interested conversation is “Not here.” And have a lounge-y place in mind for Venue #2.

    If she’s interested enough to ditch her friends and the douche parade, then yeah, maybe she’s qualified herself as worthy on the cost/close chart.

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  164. on January 21, 2010 at 9:29 pm LSD25

    My story is similar to the craiglist poster, it started off the same way but it ended alot quicker.
    When they girl asked who was the person on my shirt.

    I said it was my uncle. She said awww how cute he looks like you, youre both cute!

    so i ordered my drink and she looked at me and said ok so are you gonna buy me a drink.

    I said “uh no..”

    she thinks i look like charles whitman and we are both cute, what a bunch of crap

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  165. on January 22, 2010 at 4:16 pm Tu sais que

    Yeah, I know some stories like that. No fun 😦

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  166. on January 22, 2010 at 4:29 pm so@24

    You’ve done pretty well for yourself Roissy! It’s been too long!

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  167. on January 22, 2010 at 7:52 pm Mr. C

    Quote:
    “ATrain
    Roissy,

    I only seem to attract women of low self-esteem. I date many women, but the ones that fall in love with me are always of low self-esteem. What could be causing this pattern?”

    Quite possibly a reflection of your own self esteem ?

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  168. on January 24, 2010 at 6:10 am Linkage is Good for You: Unexpectedly Tasteful Edition | In Mala Fide

    […] – “The Story of a Man Who Refused to Buy a Girl a Drink“, “The Medicalization of […]

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  169. on January 26, 2010 at 1:52 pm Martian Bachelor

    Last but not least, the winner is…

    “Sorry, no, I’m saving my wallet for marriage.” :>

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  170. on January 26, 2010 at 6:07 pm Anonymous

    She’s a chump, I hate how females (and males too!) go out and score drinks. I am a female and I don’t expect guys to buy me drinks. I don’t expect anyone to do anything for me for that matter.

    But honestly, the dude is a dummy too for two reasons, one because as soon as he saw she was just a free drink loader he should’ve not said anything and just walked away. That would have made her think, hm maybe I should change my ways… and it would have been a great touche. Two, he is inadvertently creating bitchy entitled princesses like her by saying “oh the poor fat girl” why does it have to be about her looks? So, they both deserved their little exchange and they need both need to grow up.

    ~*~ Hasina

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  171. on January 27, 2010 at 12:12 am d

    Heh. I used this exact post to pick up a girl via CL. You’d be amazed at all the responses you’ll get from women telling you how much they respect you and offering to buy you a drink.

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  172. on January 27, 2010 at 1:03 am anoukange

    “I like the way you focus these days on a girls *respect* for a guy as being key to her attraction – this is so much closer to the truth that you have to be some kind of jerk or asshole to be attractive.

    To be attractive all you have to do is have some manly pride and self-respect – treat yourself with respect, and women will too. All that nonsense about being an asshole and a dick is just so much blather and never did you any credit, roissy. Probably seriously misled heaps of men who went out trying to be macho and just ended up looking like weak posturing losers.” -John

    John: You’re my hero. You nailed it. A quality girl will go broke, through hell, and spit fire for the guy she believes in and respects. It’s much simpler than many make it out to be.

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  173. on January 27, 2010 at 1:19 am havana

    LOL!
    I had a similar thing happened to me! But things turned out better…

    The best response is a smile and quick “NO.”
    Then explain her:
    “It is a matter of principle, NO.” cocky smirk

    -Turn away and talk with someone else. In 1-3 minutes she will come back to you.

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  174. on January 27, 2010 at 5:03 am Jack

    An alpha is going to want to bed the best looking woman in the room. He does not necessarily care about finding the woman with the best character.

    If a woman asks you to buy her a drink and she is not the best looking woman, use that as an excuse to leave her to approach the one who is (or say “I will buy you a drink if you help me meet that woman over there”).

    This is my policy and it works well (when I rarely go to bars to meet women – my schedule is full from mail order bride websites which are fantastic places to meet gorgeous women with good character).

    If, however, the one asking you to buy the drink is the one woman you would most like to have sex with that night, then your ONLY option is to CAREFULLY ask her if you can buy something other than her conversation at a higher price than the drink.

    I stand by my statement that one must at least get a phone number before buying that drink.

    I also stand by the statement that it is 1000 times easier to at first convince a woman to do CFNM than to strip herself or do something else physical for money. CFNM helps a woman ease into being your personal amateur service provider.

    Alphas don’t walk away from the woman they would most like to fuck…out of principle.

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  175. on January 27, 2010 at 1:20 pm 2010

    This bloke handled this situation with an enviable amount of diligence and respectability. Kudos, la!

    Nway- the best comeback I’ve seen when a chick gets all bitchy on your ass and soaks you in a drink(a decent drink in this case), was to get rough and physical on her ass. They need this from time to-time. They like games, but directness sets them straight.

    One night, last year- in an ‘uppity’ club; my friend got this chick a drink which he doesn’t do normly. Nway; so this b1-a-atch – for one or the other reason; threw the drink right in his face. He laughs at her(doesn’t say a word) and when he sensed a good few curious stares, he coolly got her in a grip and totally messed up her hair while giving off this couldn’t-give-a-toss laugh. It was like at school when you picked on/bullied someone.

    That chick BROKE! For months, she couldn’t even look this guy in the eyes. He kept her in the back of his mind- like he was waiting for his opportune moment, while bagging them right, left and centre. She was on his ‘long-term, special-fuck’ list. One night- after about 6 months- he just walked into another club, saw her there; went over, grabbed her by the arm and coolly made his way to the counter- she resisted a bit, but just let it go. Once at the counter- he just told her that she’s going home with him tonight and his keeping his eyes on her(that prolly scared the shit out of her). He sealed the deal by getting her the same drink. Obviously, she didn’t want to even contemplate doing that again, while he just lazilly hang back.

    He got the best fuck in years that night. That’s all they need sometimes.

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  176. on January 27, 2010 at 4:58 pm The stink of beta « Seasons of Tumult and Discord

    […] some free chips.  In face to face interactions it’s not unlike the guy in Roissy’s  post last week who refused to buy a girl a […]

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  177. on January 30, 2010 at 12:30 am Matt

    I hate people who throw a fit when you don’t play along with their social games that they don’t even like. “Why wont you suffer with me?!”

    Their heads should be smashed against the bar.

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  178. on January 30, 2010 at 7:13 pm Badly

    I think a better response would be something like “I think it’s your round.” or (pretending to mishear her) “What’s that? You want to buy me a drink?”.

    If she bites then you know she’s interested and you can relax about your no-buying policy. If she’s just gaming you then fuck her hotter friend instead.

    On a side note, if I’m at a bar and you’re talking to a girl waiting after you and say you have an extra glass of champagne then I think it’s fine to give her one as long as you walk off immediately after. There’s a reasonable chance that she’ll come find you later in the night if you planted the right seeds earlier.

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  179. on February 1, 2010 at 5:04 pm Repo Man

    Her: “Buy me a drink.”

    Me: “What’s it worth to ya?”

    That is all.

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  180. on February 1, 2010 at 5:18 pm Repo Man

    BTW The above answer is impossible for a woman to ‘top’ in terms of her response to you. Anything she says puts her in a DLV position (I hate these terms but here it makes sense..)

    This response also works for other silly requests. One time a hot girl even answered with “…um..a blowjob?”

    Another good response is (with an innocent, baffled look on your face)…”Why?”

    Simple is always best.

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  181. on February 3, 2010 at 4:04 pm College Funnie

    Come by and buy us a round!

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  182. on February 11, 2010 at 3:07 am Jason

    I’ve avoided The DC bar scene for a while but I have noticed this strange phenomena. Reading about the experiences with others it reminds me of the bums who cruise gas stations, giving a sob story, and then asking for some gas money. It’s pathetic actually. To me it’s no different from panhandling. I didn’t realize this phenomena was widespread, but clearly it is.

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  183. on February 11, 2010 at 4:11 am Jack

    Yes, but I keep saying that, if women are friendly enough in a bar scene to actually pay attention to males, that is half the battle.

    Actually, it is 99% of the battle. Please tell me the name of any bar in DC where women pay attention to males who look like they have money and I will fly back to the USA for the first time in 10 years.

    I remember a DC scene where women 18-27 would not give any male the time of day anyplace or anytime especially in bars where they would go only to be with their friends. Those were the Baby Boomer man-hating feminists. It did not matter how much game men had, women wanted males to experience hatred.

    If Millenials are friendly enough to panhandle for drinks, then (in the worst case scenario) they can be asked to perform for more money as well and there is no problem…unless the man is poor, in which case he needs to step aside in the survival of the fittest.

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  184. on February 13, 2010 at 7:27 am Alpha #865,284

    “buy me a drink”

    Honey, suck my cock and I’ll give you $8. You can buy yourself a drink.

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  185. on February 19, 2010 at 9:21 pm krista

    wow thats amazing of you.. your a great guy 🙂 I dont ask for drinks bc i dont like to be drunk.. and I like to be independent even if it is only 8 buks… its alot when your a starving artist 😛

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  186. on February 22, 2010 at 12:14 am Betondo Fuchatuch

    Man! What’s the deal with all these great comebacks? Why show her how sly and witty you are? That drink question may be the very reason why she’s the wrong chick to talk to in the first place.

    Why prolong the fucking inevitable? Nobody needs conversation that bad.

    Don’ be sly, or coy – and for Pete’s sake don’t explain yourself. All that shit sounds like the openings of negotiations (“I want to keep her talking”). Shit.

    Just look her in the eye and say “No”. What happens next you can’t control anyway.

    I was out with 3 freinds. They had chicks with them and I didn’t. The best looking one of the group (and she knew she was), her fucking feet hurt, and asked if I’d watch her fancy shoes while she went to dance. I slowly shook my head “No”, never broke eye contact, and had a look on my face that said “You’re out of your fucking mind, right?”. She went on to dance.

    I couldn’t get her off my dick for the rest of that night.

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  187. on February 22, 2010 at 2:24 am ephebophile

    @Betondo Fuchatuch

    “The best looking one of the group (and she knew she was)…

    I slowly shook my head “No”, never broke eye contact, and had a look on my face that said “You’re out of your fucking mind, right?”. She went on to dance.

    I couldn’t get her off my dick for the rest of that night.”

    Saying “no” correctly is a very powerful neg. Its power is proportional to the strength of her bitch shield and entitlement sense.

    Saying “No” to 8.5-10s is an Alpha artform and should be mastered quickly.

    If its in her background, a strong authoritative father would predispose her to serious gina tingles.

    Comedian Robbin Williams said the most powerful word in English is the word “No”.

    Properly executed No’s translate into her saying Yes.

    Also factor in the Pain inflicting Sadism Asshole/babe aspect… and you shouldn’t be surprised at her reaction.

    Want to make a girl cum hard (like Niagra Falls)…
    Master the skill of Orgasm Denial & Use the No word… keep her on the edge and back off, and when you let her cum…
    be prepared to make her go get a mop.

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  188. on February 28, 2010 at 11:35 am criolle johnny

    “Are you going to by me a drink”

    “Are you trying to get me in bed?”

    Meet the shit test with a shit test.

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  189. on June 5, 2010 at 9:22 am Jason

    Bang the fatty!! God its allot of work but its so much fun. Everything feels like a tittie!!

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  190. on June 11, 2010 at 3:27 am Mr_Adventure

    My best come back when asked to buy a drink is, “Don’t you have a job?”

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  191. on June 11, 2010 at 7:02 am rebelliousvanilla

    Beta he is, but American women ASK men to buy them drinks? This is almost as ridiculous as that put the toilet seat down crap. Lately, I started refusing drinks from men who buy them to score with me. Which means most of the drinks, but I really enjoy when someone buys me a drink because he thinks I’m a fun person to be around. And I usually return the favour. My favourite clubbing people are those chubby guys who really don’t care about anything and just want to have fun – they’re welcome to party with me anytime because I know I’ll have a nice night. To be honest, right now I hope I never get to live in the United States considering I find it common courtesy to buy drinks to my friends and Americans would probably think I’m desperate for some d!ck since girls shouldn’t buy booze to guys. I totally agree with this guy. I would have told her when she said I blew my chances with her that I’m glad since a drink is too expensive to ride the village bike. And if you can say this to a woman without seeming sore, you basically ruined her night. But buying drinks to the fatty works too. Besides my boyfriend spending money on me, I find it ridiculous to expect others to do it. At least if you pay, pay for exclusive access to her crotch, not to just do her once. It’s funny though, considering that 50-60% of the women in my country actually prefer going Dutch on dates. Still, I don’t know what the heck he was thinking when he explained the whole story to the slag. Forbes is right.

    And Roissy, I disagree. If I was in that girl’s position, the fact that he bought a girl uglier than me a drink would have pissed me off more than if he would have went to another good looking girl.

    John, I completely agree. For example, a few years back, when I was testing how stupid men can be, I’ve got a guy to buy me the most expensive drink on the bar’s menu and a drink for… MY DATE! How the heck can you buy a drink for a guy who is going to bang the crap out of the girl you want to bang in hoping that you will get to bang her instead of him? It’s utterly ridiculous and what makes it even funnier is that I know the club’s owner so I drink for free there. Basically, he threw good money on nothing. In the same time, Roissy isn’t wrong that being a douchebag can work. But again, being a douchebag works with girls you wouldn’t want to be with, having self-respect and being interesting attracts girls you’d like to actually have a relationship with.

    Still, the best thing is what a friend did. He was chatting with this entitled broad and he asked her if she wants to go out and she said that yes and he told her to meet him at some cafe. She said that she doesn’t like that one and wants to go to one of the most expensive cafes in my city, which pissed my friend off, but he agreed. There he allowed her to pig out and at the end told the girl to pay what she ate and drank. He said that not banging her and paying his share of the bill was def worth the face she made and putting a hole through her pocket.

    lovelysexybeauty, I agree on the weak girl game. Only a stupid slut would openly ask someone for a drink. Even if they buy it to you, they won’t stick around after you don’t spread your legs to them. The real deal is to string them along as much as possible and make them throw as much money at you as possible. Not just buy you a drink.

    JR, you realize that buying someone a drink is less troublesome than getting your body penetrated, right? Bedding women is high investment, high return. Getting validation as a woman is low investment, low return.

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  192. on August 25, 2010 at 7:41 pm Anonymous

    Lmao I think I love you. Good for you

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  193. on August 27, 2010 at 9:58 pm jared

    true genius..

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  194. on September 8, 2010 at 4:46 am Nice-Mysterious

    Well, I read some funny, aggressive, defensive and rude comments about this story. I think it’s right to say anything to a girl who asks you to buy her a drink when you don’t want to.

    Cute girl: Are you gonna buy me a drink or what?
    Me: Are you trying to convince me to go with you tonight? Or say, are you planning to share your bed with me tonight?

    Or..

    Cute girl: Are you gonna buy me a drink or what?
    Me: I did’t expect it from you.

    Always try to make her confused and feel small not to dare to ask any other man.

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  195. on September 15, 2010 at 6:42 am "Fattie" with Self-Esteem

    Wow, everyone talking about “fatties” and “that’s how all women are” are assholes. I’m so glad I don’t go to bars or clubs (not that this town has clubs). But the fact that people really think this way is disgusting! Disgusting, shallow, and repulsive. I’m short and I weigh in at about 160lbs, and my boyfriend worships the ground I walk on. He’s more than gorgeous and we go out 2-3 times a week. Why? Because we actually have things in common, and we love each other. It’s not about being the “alpha male”. That’s bullshit.

    And it’s not just my boyfriend. I’ve had plenty of boyfriends (and no, I am not a slut) who were much hotter than me, and I have two other guys interested in me right now. I’m nothing special. I just actually have a personality and I don’t use sex as a bargaining chip.

    And to the guy who said “… the best comeback I’ve seen … was to get rough and physical on her ass. They need this from time to-time.”, I have to say: You are a worthless excuse for a human being. Sure, she was bitchy and throwing a drink in your face could tenuously be deemed assault, but that doesn’t give you the right to become physical. You’re a domestic violence trial waiting to happen.

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  196. on September 15, 2010 at 7:40 am Morsellaux

    Fattie “I have personality”, “with self-esteem”, defensive much?

    Not only you took it personally, but you seem to reside in your self-centered gravity well with an event horizon that barely extends beyond the tip of your nose.

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  197. on September 15, 2010 at 3:37 pm Tinderbox

    @”Fattie” with Self-Esteem

    The one who made the “fatty” comment in the original post was the spurned woman behaving like an asshole, not the man writing the post.

    Good for you if you’re truly satisfied with your current lifestyle as an overweight person, but your options would widen even more if you improved your health and appearance. Most overweight people don’t find that to be worth the required effort. And there’s no reason to make the effort if you’re happy with the way you are, your health and the relationships you are having.

    But don’t delude yourself that people are shallow for preferring and being more attracted to those who are fit. This is universal and not limited to men, who are just more vocally upfront about their preferences than women are.

    So what happened to all of those “boyfriends” who were much hotter than you? A guy willing to hookup for a night or a weekend or two doesn’t equate with them being interested in you as a person. Particularly if the guy is hotter than you, as Roissy/Chateau points out.

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  198. on September 26, 2010 at 11:15 pm Mining Craigslist « Porn's Good Guy

    […] Mining Craigslist A while back I read this post on Roissy: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/ … l-a-drink/ […]

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  199. on November 25, 2010 at 12:58 am Tim

    Ugh. The whole bar hook-up culture needs an overhaul. I for one, would not want to sleep with a girl who was intoxicated because I wouldn’t know if she really did like me, or if it was the alcohol talking. I’d rather flirt with her, get her contact information, and leave her wanting more.

    There’s nothing special about a drunken hook-up. I find the consent to be questionable, and thus I err on the side of caution. I’d rather be with a classy girl who’s able to participate in witty banter.

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  200. on January 20, 2011 at 5:28 pm ken

    you are you my hero

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