Reading the funny articles about Tiger Woods’ romp through a battalion of trashy, deluded babes who thought they would be the next Mrs. Woods, I noticed a theme emerge.
David Smallwood, who has treated a host of celebrities at north London’s Priory clinic, said: “He displays a number of the pointers such as seeking highs from outdoor sex and having many mistresses.
“I would implore him to get help. But I see him as ill, not bad.”
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“People who have affairs typically do so because something is lacking,” says psychotherapist Stacy Kaiser. “You can be the world’s best golfer, role model and endorsement spokesman and still not feel good inside.”
When that happens, she says, a man tends to “fill that hole with women as a distraction and an escape.”
The opinion of the experts and sexperts is in: If you are a man who is able to satisfy his natural sexual inclination for a variety of women, you have a problem. A big problem, my friend, and you should seek therapy right away to cure yourself of your affliction.
As a valiant avatar of the ugly truths, I’m here to tell the collected wisdom of the armies of psychotherapists swinging their degrees like battle axes: Tiger Woods does not have a problem. What he has is a male sex drive, and a willingness to fulfull it. In so doing, he makes you confront your worst fears about the base instincts of humanity unleashed in glorious wanton hedonism. You shirk not because of what Tiger does, but because you tremble before your fear of what most men would do given the opportunities available to a man with Woods’ high social and material status.
Tiger Woods may not be a model citizen, but neither does he have an emotional or psychological problem. He’s just a man with a strong sex drive who got bored with the same old pussy day in and day out and decided to spice it up with a willing brigade of slutty concubines all too ready to dismiss their own feelings of complicity in the sordid arrangements that will now cost Woods hundreds of millions of dollars. If Woods has a problem, it’s that he got married. Big mistake, chief.
How many typical married men would act like Woods if suddenly blessed with his fame and fortune? Imbue 100 Joe Sixpacks with Woods’ high status, and 99 would run roughshod on their marital vows. Over and over. Gleefully. Guiltlessly. Until they got caught.
I would ask the experts in the human condition: Do Woods’ mistresses have a problem that must be addressed by months of therapy? If not, why not? Aren’t they just as happily and guiltlessly following their own biomechanical directive in hypergamously hooking up with a wealthy uber alpha who happens to be married? How many typical housewives would act like Woods’ skank parade if suddenly blessed with Woods’ attention and desire? Impart 100 Jill Saddlebags with Woods’ sexual flirtations, and 99 would run roughshod on their marital vows. Over and over. Guiltlessly. Orgasmically. And even after they got caught, because they know in the event of divorce they are not going to be the ones coming up short.
We live in a culture where today the natural male sex drive is demonized and the natural female sex drive is glorified. It is an interesting shift of the paradigm, and one I suspect is unsustainable for a modern, first world economy that rests on certain implicit assumptions about how its citizens are to comport themselves if the good of the whole is to thrive. (Nevermind my antics; While good for me, I’m not one to bow before the concept of the good of the whole. I’ll just freeride until I wind up in the same place as all those properly behaved subjects of the industrial kingdom.)
The adamantium foundation of core values that buttresses all other values is the sexual market. The constant flux of sexual energy between men and women is the force multiplier that breathes life into cultures, and infuses societies with everything from salsa to skyscrapers. When you fuck with the workings of that origin value you fuck with everything resting on top of it, ten times over. This is why late 20th century feminism has been such a boon for the haters of beauty and a weapon for the bringers of doom. Given the inherent lag effect in any large scale human value shift, I expect the fruit of our current culture of lies to ripen fully within our lifetimes.
As I see it, a culture can grapple with the reality of the sexual market and its consequences in one of four ways:
I. Shame/demonize/medicalize the male sex drive. Condone/laud/glorify the female sex drive.
II. Shame the male sex drive. Shame the female sex drive.
III. Glorify the male sex drive. Shame the female sex drive.
IV. Glorify the male sex drive. Glorify the female sex drive.
2010 America is currently knee deep in paradigm number I. 1950s America, according to our best sources (the ones who lived through it) was operating under cultural condition number II, with nods and winks toward number III. Speaking of number III, this seems to be the arrangement most prevalent in the Arab cultures. Number IV is the historically rarest configuration, and is seen most often in pagan cultures like Scandinavia and underdeveloped tribal nations like the swath across much of subsaharan Africa. Number IV is emergent in either highly anarchic societies or in highly homogenized societies of small, manageable population sizes.
America has chosen number I, which is probably the worst option to choose for a mature economic powerhouse rapidly morphing into a trifurcated multicultural and multiethnic population of immense size. This is the option that will send most men into either withdrawal or violence, and most women into hypergamous overdrive. No modern economy, built as they almost invariably all are on the sweat of men with an eye toward saving and investing in the future, can survive a long bout with a value system resting squarely in number I and constantly propped up by the likes of elite opinion makers and Oprah.
Personally, I live by construct number IV, as it is the value system that most pleases me, and is likeliest to persuade women to shed their inhibitions in my company. A master seducer at the height of his game will be living his life by the precepts of number IV, whether or not he argues for the abolition on a wider scale of the paradigm that so suits him in his personal quests.
My prediction for the future is that number I eventually will yield, softly or cataclysmically, to number II, with a short temporary stint in number IV. Number IV is really the wildcard here. While number I works its magic slowly and insidiously, number IV has the explosive power to radically alter the cultural landscape in a very short period of time, especially in a culture historically insulated from the hedonistic ravages of number IV.
I think it would be funny if our culture were one where male gigolos are forgiven and invited onto talk shows and cheating wives are forced to cough up half their assets and income, lose custody of their children, and be shamed from polite society. Sounds punitive, doesn’t it? Well, that’s what we have today. Just reverse the genders.

“If Woods has a problem, it’s that he got married.” Amen!
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I agree with most of everything you said, Roissy- except one thing: Woods was never alpha.
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THANK YOU.
I have been thinking this for as long as they’ve been talking about Woods’ therapeutic concern. I was certain it would attract Roissy remark.
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You nailed this one (so to speak). This is your best data sheet so far of 2010.
“If Woods has a problem, it’s that he got married.”
Absolutely. Because of all the sexual perversions, monogamy is the most unnatural.
Q: Which one is my favorite?
A: IV. Glorify the male sex drive. Glorify the female sex drive.
I think I am slowly becoming an Anarchist.
– MPM
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you of all people, i assumed would be immune to accepting the given explanation for sex therapy. obviously it is a legal ploy to avoid divorce theft, and what appears to be a reasonably adept one at that. the rest of the post stands nicely on its own though.
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Nailed it.
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To me, Number II would be paradise.
If I were a married family man with daughters, I’d be happier for obvious reasons. But as a single guy, I’d also be better off that even you are today. Why?
Because I would still try to swoop all I can, just discreetly. And think of how much more HOT the swoops would be with a woman who is shy and fighting her inner demon to give herself to me.
Contrast this with getting a Number IV tatooed, shaved, vulgar, libertine girl you see on western European “Big Brother” shows into your bed. Nice, but meh.
Perhaps Western European libertinism of early 60s through mid 70s was the sweet spot. Nudity and sensuality everywhere, without the appetite-killing vulgarity.
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doucherag
you of all people, i assumed would be immune to accepting the given explanation for sex therapy. obviously it is a legal ploy to avoid divorce theft, and what appears to be a reasonably adept one at that. the rest of the post stands nicely on its own though.
No way to avoid divorce theft. This is no ploy on Tiger’s part: it is punishment demanded by his wife. He’ll be doing six weeks in what amounts to a disguised prison where he will be monitored to make sure he doesn’t so much as jack off.
I just wrote about it on The Spearhead from a family law POV. In the near future, men who get caught cheating could be ordered to attend sex addiction therapy as part of the divorce settlement. Wives WILL punish their exes if given the opportunity — even if they are the ones who misbehaved.
I agree with Roissy that #IV (if it happens) will likely result in a return to #II.
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Number IV sounds like an X rated version of Starship Troopers.
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Here’s a simple truth: depression is natural and good. It refocuses a man to do something to change his wayward state. That this metamorphosis involves sticking his penis inside many women is not the problem, its the solution.
On the internal scales of a man’s mental well being, which weighs heavier: accolades, achievement, & income or the romantic and sexual pleasures of women? The answer is obvious.
Tiger’s massively unbalanced internal scale needed to be set right again. That he was adored the world over and worth a billion dollars meant that he had mountains of as-yet unspent pussy capital, woefully un-diversified and underutilized.
The tired female/betamale argument that goes “but Elin’s hot, who would do that when they have HER at home?!” illustrates a profound delusion.
When a man is regularly fucking a decently hot woman such as Elin, his testosterone will be quite high, and this will in turn motivate him to seek out (as well as more easily attract) other women.
This is paradoxical to many wives and girlfriends because they think that they can satisfy a man’s drive through sheer quantities of sex, as if an all-you-can-eat buffet of the same fine cuisine will always suppress the intrigue of the sampler platter. They project their own sexual natures on to that of men, and they’re always wrong and hurt when reality shows otherwise.
Evolutionary psychology is the only psychology worth paying heed to, and Satoshi Kanazawa is willing to embrace the discomforting truths it reveals:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200912/why-are-we-surprised
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PA,
“Perhaps Western European libertinism of early 60s through mid 70s was the sweet spot. Nudity and sensuality everywhere, without the appetite-killing vulgarity.”
I think you are on to something here.
Those 60’s and 70’s looked fun.
Way less rules and plenty of drugs.
I think I would have flourished during those eras.
– MPM
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Remember that one thread where people were all calling Tiger beta…
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“Smallwood”? “Fill that hole?”
I actually had to check to make sure these people and places exist.
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In the words of the inimitable POOK, modern western culture is under-sexualized, but over-eroticized.
On every level of our culture, spread across countless different media, sexual stimulation blankets our awareness. “Sex sells” doesn’t even scratch the surface of the reasoning for it’s all-encompassment. From the time the Greeks sculpted idealized nudes, to the suckling Madonnas of the classicists, to the advent of photography and video, to the internet and even on my iPhone – all these fabulous innovations facilitate sexuality.
It’s not enough for a man to raise an eyebrow at a sexually implicit message; he must be kept in a constant state of arousal, perpetually trapped with a hard-on that only buy, doing or thinking the prescribed thing will gratify. But he can’t be gratified; a sexually gratified man is a poor consumer regardless of whether you’re selling a product or a mindset. So that ultimate gratification has to be marginalized and demonized. Men must believe that they’re poisoned by their testosterone. Even minimal gratification under the most exacting circumstances (marriage or an LTR) is still a disease for which he needs feminine correction of.
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Fucking A. I agree completely.
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On a practical level, I have sympathy for the psychiatric and related services. They are barraged with, and asked to triage/sort/name/treat people’s messy behavioral problems………and make a living at it. There exists no DSM code for “sex addiction”, but it gets lumped under other codes, so the therapist can, at least, get reimbursed.
Tiger’s Woods sex behavior impairs his ability to make a living and destroyed his relationship with his wife/children. It has limited his potential for future genuine intimate relationships. It appears to have been genuinely pathological.
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Maleness is indeed a mental disease. It is partially treatable with excessive social pressure and molding since childhood. Femaleness is in part a disease. The part that desires maleness is that disease. One day with biocognitive therapy, it will be possible to cure maleness.
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I think a healthy society has a proper balance between II and IV. Monogamy is good, but must be promoted for both genders, not just one.
Both I and III are clearly pathological.
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…………compare Wood’s sex behavior with Brett Favre’s.
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In the immortal words of Katt Williams: “That Tiger didn’t go crazy; that Tiger went tiger.”
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Have you heard of this.. See it only a ‘pathology’ if a man does it, for a woman that is normal behavior.
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Dorian Gray syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_Gray_syndrome
Dorian Gray Syndrome (DGS) denotes a cultural and societal phenomenon characterized by an excessive preoccupation with the individual’s own appearance accompanied by difficulties coping with the aging process and with the requirements of maturation. Sufferers of Dorian Gray Syndrome are heavy users of cosmetic medical procedures and products in an attempt to preserve their youth. Dorian Gray Syndrome is not recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV).
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but yet, were you to read about how Tiger was gone all the time, didn’t “talk” or “communicate”….would they say that his wife needed therapy for banging some other guys on the side?
Doubt it. At least not the bevy of female therapists who have to have an illness to sell a cure…..and those supplicating man-traitors that are male therapists and the like.
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Maleness is indeed a mental disease. It is partially treatable with excessive social pressure and molding since childhood. Femaleness is in part a disease. The part that desires maleness is that disease. One day with biocognitive therapy, it will be possible to cure maleness.
and this a woman widely known for her high IQ. There is no sarcasm here, I also agree that femX has a high IQ
“everyone on Earth has a disease, only I, a fixed point on the universe, am completely free from all diseases thus becoming able to judge the entire human race”
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Anony writes:
“Tiger’s Woods sex behavior impairs his ability to make a living and destroyed his relationship with his wife/children. It has limited his potential for future genuine intimate relationships. It appears to have been genuinely pathological.”
You should try consulting some facts before you make such sweepingly wrong statements.
Tiger’s been poonhounding for YEARS, during which time he has excelled at his profession and earned hundreds of millions of dollars. His “sex behavior” hasn’t impaired his ability to make a living ONE IOTA. In fact, it has probably greatly helped it by providing him gratification and satisfaction that’s of a private nature rather than public.
Nor has his alleged deviancy destroyed his relationship with his children, who no doubt adore him the same as they did before. Any such destruction of his relationship with them is laid at the feet of his wife and her utilization of the social and legal structures which grant HER special and undue privilege over them, as well as his assets.
His sponsors didn’t abandon him because he likes to fuck bar sluts. They abandoned him because he got exposed by the press in spectacular fashion.
It wasn’t his sex life that cost him anything, it was the social-cultural reaction which Roissy described in this post and that you are subscribing to. That is what is pathological, not Woods’s penchant for keeping a loose, informal harem — something many men with far less means do as well.
You’re only trying to reinforce the female-betamale social contract which says:
“Don’t break the rules and you can have a decent life and a decent wife– if you’re lucky; break the rules and you’ll have your family and your wealth taken from you, and be declared a sociopathic deviant in need of therapeutic treatment.”
Tiger can still hit a 30 foot putt and he can still fall in love with a woman. Quit projecting.
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Tiger Woods was held up as a shining example of The Great Black Hope.
The Answer to “Can’t we all just get along?”
He was a media created Messiah sent for the redemption of sinful white closed country club golf racism.
He was held up as better than us.
THAT is the problem. People kinda think it sucks when hypocrisy is the 600 pound gorilla in the room.
Sure, making a racial statement gets tiring. All the drudgery of being sentenced to fucking a hot Swedish bikini model forces poor Tig to have children.
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I can sense fear here. You’re trying to rationalize self-destructive behavior that you yourself possess by making it all part of this mythical concept of “maleness” which is really just a collection of generally dysfunctional tendencies. Defending Tiger Woods is a way for you to defend yourself.
I’m quietly expecting a snotty reply after I put a dent in the ol’ soft peach-like ego…
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Which is worse? Compulsory sex addiction therapy (the new punishment for straying celebrity husbands) or compulsory charitable work (the traditional route to redemption for straying political husbands)?
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/1195353.html
At least with charitable work you get about more.
Is it fair to inflict John Profumo-Edwards on Haiti though?
Zeplite, spot on about Starship Troopers. Paul Verhoeven films are the best example of category IV in mainstream cinema.
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@ Needletooth
If a man is not getting what he wants out of his marriage, then it’s inevitable that he’s going to look out of his marriage for what he wants.
having sex with multiple woman is not self-destructive, it’s normal behavior.
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Anything you can’t stop yourself from doing is an addiction. I can stop eating and I’d still be happy. You should have control over your basic needs and satisfy them without causing a scandal.
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Firepower– your non sequitor commentary is beyond stupid and smacks of petty racial schadenfreude.
Woods doesn’t even identify himself as black.
Why do you declare Tiger responsible for the aspirations others place upon him?
Did the fact that he’s a goddamn golfer escape your mind while grappling with the phantom liberal social engineer-puppeteers pulling the strings of the racial harmony marionette show inside your head?
Woods is not a hypocrite because he likes to fuck multiple women, no matter that OTHER people think he shouldn’t like or do this.
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@ Jagal
no one knows the time span between his sexual acts with woman so you can’t say he’s a sex addict.
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Um, I don’t know any black people who actually thought this. If only because we’ve always known the truth about Tiger Woods—that’s he’s only 25 percent black. The rest is Asian (50 percent) and Caucasian (25 percent).
Wake the fuck up.
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Jagal:
If Woods was single this wouldn’t be much of a story. As someone mentioned above, we don’t know how often Woods was having sex. If he had one broad per city he went to, that’s just having sex with many women. One could easily fit such a few number of women in here and there (I’d also assume that most of Tiger’s mistresses have come out of the woodwork by now; I don’t think Tiger’s notchcount is all that high for celebrity status). Sexual romps don’t last all that long.
Most importantly, Tiger’s sexual behavior didn’t detract from his ability to play golf. He was able to focus on that. An addiction usually detracts from work which didn’t seem to happen in this case. He could keep sex mutually exclusive from the rest of his life and lead a normal life *up until the point* where he got married. Sex with other women usually can’t remain mutually exclusive when married to a woman who isn’t down for that shit.
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Not sure I agree. The average female college student still receives more flak for sleeping around than her male counterpart. Consider the venom imparted to pejoratives like SLUT or WHORE, contrasted with the quirky humor when the prefix MAN- is added to either of these terms. Or how CUNT twists one’s features as it is spat out, while DICK and COCK are usually imparted quite glibly.
On the other hand, it is much simpler for female college students to find a partner at a drunken frat party than it is for males, due to a social culture that rewards and re-enforces minimal effort from women while demanding continual tributes and hoop-jumping from men (Not to mention the disproportionate amount of beta males to alphas in the college sphere).
Watching Tiger Woods slowly being dissected by the media is much like watching ants swarm over a carcass. I propose that the main reason he is being so analyzed is because his handling of both the exposure and fallout was incredibly beta. Most damning was the panicky text message begging his current concubine to cover his tracks, which once exposed, unleashed a torrent of flagrant disrespect from his formerly-pliable harem.
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@chuck,
I did not state that Woods’ sex behavior detracted from his abilities to play golf. I stated that his sex behavior impairs his ability to make a living, which consisted of 1) playing golf, and 2) maintaining an image. Ergo, his sex behavior was self- and child-destructive.
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anony:
I was replying to jagal.
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Number IV is probably the best answer, as long as there are appropriate limits placed on behavior.
When moral constraints are eschewed for an animalistic pursuit of impulses, then you have a problem. Biologically, men do have a high sex drive and would happily sleep with numerous women. But, are we just animals? Are we merely biological creatures acting out chemical urges?
As a Christian, I would completely agree that both male sexuality and female sexuality are wonderful things. However, as with any good thing, it is easy for perversion to occur by turning it into something that it was never meant to be. For that reason, fidelity is something that should be fully enforced. We are not merely animals, and therefore we should not act as merely animals.
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Tiger is supposedly in sex rehab in Mississippi right now. Since when, as a man, could you be too addicted to sex?
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Brilliant piece! One of the best on this blog.
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Great, great post.
My only quibble is the “99 out of 100” bit. It works for rhetorical purposes, but I think the average for men is more like 999 out of 1,000 (with the 1 being somehow limited in his physical or mental capacities) and for women it’s more like 9 out of 10. Many more married women would go for Tiger than would admit it, but the female need for comfort and security will keep their cheating ratio comparatively low under even extreme circumstances.
I hope someday Tiger tells the world what he was thinking by getting married and having kids. The fucker could have been a richer, more mysterious version of Derek Jeter, quietly plugging six tramps (18 holes) a night. Maybe it was inevitable for a child prodigy to want to have kids – creating Tiger was THE accomplishment of his parents’ life, so maybe he felt like it was something he had to do, too.
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“Tiger Woods was held up as a shining example of The Great Black Hope.”
Actually he was the Great Guilty White Liberal Hope.
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This article, ‘The Misandry Bubble’, talks about many of the same things.
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Anony –
Why are you doubling down on the stupid?
If you agree that his behavior doesn’t effect his golf game – which earns him millions per year alone – then you have to agree that it doesn’t impair his ability to make a living whatsoever.
As for his image, its almost exclusively based upon him being a superlative golfer. Take that away and all his harmless nice guy family man affectations are meaningless.
The only things imperiling his wealth are his marriage and his misguided (beta) desire to maintain it.
Had the National Enquirer not exposed Tiger, setting off a chain of events that it did, and instead had his affairs remained a private family matter, you’d never know of it and certainly wouldn’t claim that his “sex behavior was self- and child-destructive.” Quit trying to make him out to be a bad father. He wasn’t out parenting other children to their neglect.
“Ergo,” you’re a fucking moron.
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@Patrick,
What would have he marketed with a “manwhore but great golfer” image? condoms? and he would have had the sleezy image had he not temporarily eclipsed it with the “high performance family man” image.
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@ Silas
Fidelity can only last as long as BOTH partners are getting want they want out of the relationship.
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Good to know there’s a few good Negroes like you keeping tabs on Blackness Level and racial purity.
Not that I give a squirt of shit
what – or if –
black people
think
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You get an A in
Reading Between
The Lines
101
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Best post of the year…
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@Patrick,
He prioritized his own desires over his babies needs for stability .
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Anony –
Here’s where all semblance of logic in your feeble inquiry breaks down.
As The Jilted Age already mentioned, the “man-whore” formulation is a non-pejorative and your use of it illustrates that you’re trying to project the same social rules on men that you would project on women, and sanction them for perceived transgressions.
George Clooney’s a notorious cad, a “manwhore but great actor” if you will, who utilizes his celebrated — you might say “sleezy”(sic) — image to endorse makers of espresso machines and high-end spirits.
But this is beside the point. Woods is still a superb golfer and retains his popularity, thus the likes of Nike, EA, and other lucrative sponsors linked to his professional success are keeping him.
In short, he’s not hurting for cash. Nice try.
Now, explain to us how he’s destroyed his children’s lives ?
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@Patrick,
your Clooney “manwhore but great actor” example works, so perhaps Woods’ deception is what failed him.
“Woods is still a superb golfer and retains his popularity”. This is futuristic speculation only.
re: how he has harmed his children. If you don’t understand trust, if you have no dependent children of your own, then I can’t explain this to you.
My original point stands: “Tiger’s Woods sex behavior impairs his ability to make a living and destroyed his relationship with his wife/children. It has limited his potential for future genuine intimate relationships. It appears to have been genuinely pathological.”
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“He prioritized his own desires over his babies needs for stability .”
HAHAHAH.
This horse shit doesn’t even merit a serious response, but I’m feeling charitable.
I guess his wife was “prioritizing her own desires” over that of her children when she tried to wrap a 9 iron around her husband and their father’s head, right? And after that, uprooting them and shuttling them off to Sweden was the most stabilizing thing that could be done, huh.
Yup, Tiger made her do it.
Get a fucking clue. Neither you nor I have any reason to doubt that Tiger Woods was anything but an adoring father who could see to all his children’s needs, spend ample amounts of time with them AND fuck a couple dozen trollops on the side to boot.
Where he went wrong was underestimating the craze of an entitled woman who hypergamously monopolized what she (not entirely incorrectly) thought was a reformed beta male.
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@Patrick,
You’ve introduced the new topic of Elin and violence, which I’m not interested in at the moment.
You seem invested in the belief that a father can risk his children’s emotional and family stability without consequences. Again, if you don’t understand this, I can’t explain it to you.
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Obviously option 4 is the best. The Roman Empire was always a 4, so it isn’t an indicator of barbaric culture. It is actually better for everyone to have option four. Even Spartans were operating under the 4. By having rampant sex they always had the best options in genetics.
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Anony —
“re: how he has harmed his children. If you don’t understand trust, if you have no dependent children of your own, then I can’t explain this to you.”
No, you can’t explain this to me because its total bullshit. You’re just reaching for another lever of shaming — he let down his CHILDREN! You know those toddlers, so unforgiving of daddy’s dalliances which they know nothing about.
If he’d been maintaining a secret second family (as many non-famous men have in the past), then you might have a point vis-a-vis his children and their damaged lives.
As it is, though, you have no point. Despite admitting that your accusation of his impaired earning ability due to to his vibrant sex life is baseless, you stand by it, along with your absurd extrapolation that he’s a pathological sex deviant. Why?
Thanks for embodying exactly what Roissy speaks of in this post. Its been illustrative.
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@Patrick,
I can see your lovely points clearly now:
-Woods’ sex behavior served him well
-it has not impaired his ability to earn a living
-his children and wife have not been harmed
-his future intimate partners will love his genuine self
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“Tiger Woods does not have a problem. What he has is a male sex drive, and a willingness to fulfull it.”
Before I started reading the HBDsphere and Gameosphere, I thought I was the only person who noticed these incredibly obvious truths. I’m thankful that I’ve found a community of people who have somehow escaped the PC credulity of our society.
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”””-his future intimate partners will love his genuine self”””””””
Hell yea instead of running around like a little bitch over having what 12 chicks. Come on now. The thing he fucked up on was letting her believe he was not gonna be with other woman. Could have saved a lot of hassel if he would have manned up before they got married and let her know what he planned to do. Then no problem when she agreed.
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Building up celebrities as having a certain image, then finding so-called flaws in the said image, then castigating the celebrity for these flaws means more newspapers & scandal rags sold which in turn means more money for the media.
Outraged morality as a money-making tool for Murdoch & his ilk.
On the other hand, Tiger’s made so much money out of the “building up” part it’s hard to sympathise with him about the rest. Live by the sword, die by the sword & all that. He did after all choose to assume the mantle of the perfect family man for advertising purposes.
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“The Roman Empire was always a 4, so it isn’t an indicator of barbaric culture.”
No, it wasn’t. It was 2. TV shows who portray it as #4 are just reflecting some Hollyweird fantasy about itself.
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Tiger Woods may not be a model citizen, but neither does he have an emotional or psychological problem. He’s just a man with a strong sex drive who got bored with the same old pussy day in and day out and decided to spice it up with a willing brigade of slutty concubines all too ready to dismiss their own feelings of complicity in the sordid arrangements that will now cost Woods hundreds of millions of dollars. If Woods has a problem, it’s that he got married. Big mistake, chief.
Tiger Woods should’ve known better than to get married at such a young age. If he really wanted to have a family, he should have done so when approaching his fifties at earliest.
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Anony, You are examplifying why it is nearly impossible to discuss/argue with women:
You said:
“-Woods’ sex behavior served him well”
Patrick did not say that. All men hear are saying: his sexual behavior is not the problem. Marriage and a ‘feministic’ society are. We can also all agree that it wasn’t very smart to not be more discreet.
“-it has not impaired his ability to earn a living”
Wood is a BILLIONNAIRE. which means he can tell the world to fuck off and retire. he does not need to earn more, but he will. Earning a living means earning money in order to live. he has already more than he needs. (unless a shameless woman takes more than her fair share. Heather the gold-digger Mills anyone?). Finally I would admit that he did impaired his ability to earn money at the same level than before. Booh-fu**ing-hoo.
“-his children and wife have not been harmed”
Who are you to say they have been? do you have a camera following them 24/7?
“-his future intimate partners will love his genuine self”
wow? are you blind? dozen of women have agreed to make him cheat willingly. do you think he won’t find women to love his genuine self, whatever it is? or will they do what they do best and enter denial mode at the sight of a bunch of dollar bills?
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@Lupo
…uhh… I know the obvious biased portrays HBO’s Rome or the new gladiator show has. But it is a known fact that cultures during those periods were highly sexualized. Don’t believe me? Go watch the history channels’ specials on how much sex was important to Romans, Greeks and even Egyptians during those times. They all have a fertility god, rampant brothels and hookers. Testosterone levels were also higher back then there is a reason why violence was also high in those times.
They don’t call it Roman orgy party/week for nothing. The fact that Genghis Khan was the alphest alpha proves my point. Do you even know how much poon the average Spartan got? More than anyone in this community.
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Woodsy’s problem, like so many others, is that he’s a lying sack of shit. So many lie about sex and their cheating that it’s become normal. Getting married doesn’t mean he’s going to stop lying. Only the consequences are greater if he gets caught. Otherwise it’s same old boring neurotic nonsense.
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Meh, not really. Look at Derek Jeter. He’s a total player and it hasn’t tarnished his image to any meaningful degree. Same for George Clooney. Heck, Clooney gets points for popping up in Darfur and so on even though he is the epitome of a player. The reason, of course, is that these guys aren’t married. When you get married and you cheat (and you are an XY), you get massively, massively slammed in this culture. Tiger’s mistake was getting married, certainly.
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There is far less information and insight in your statement than you think. It is all frame. Reframe it and the same facts have different meaning.
The gyno-centric morality that controls the press and unrestrained female purchasing power have hurt tigers income potential, as Team Vagina screams for bloody vengeance against a male who dared stand up and be a man.
Team Vagina is working tirelessly in all mediums of power to pathologize his happiness, and hurt him.
Go Team Vagina!
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Court ordered compulsory sex addiction therapy (the new punishment for straying celebrity husbands) is disturbing, more so because it lays the case-law groundwork for something worse:
Compulsory lifelong sex offender registration.
{And there goes any chance of regaining child custody.}
If you think its a stretch… consider that megan’s law was created to rein in the murderous serial pedophiles and other rapists.
Yet feature creep has widened the breadth and scope to include those not even considered when the legislation was first debated within the capital buildings of many states.
Most states require offenders to register if they have been caught in prostitution, or indecent exposure. (high school age prank of “mooning” can get you branded for life in Texas)
In Florida When having sex, only the missionary position is legal. Also, In Virginia: It is illegal to copulate in any position except missionary.
In Iowa A man with a mustache may never kiss a woman in public.
In Texas Up to a felony charge can be levied for promoting the use of, or owning more than six dildos.
In Mass. At a rodeo it is illegal to have sex with rodeo clown in the presence of horses.
In California Until the law was repealed in 1975, husbands and wives could both get a 15-year penitentiary term. Specifically prohibited from engaging in any oral activities, even in the privacy of their own bedroom.
But not all sex laws are bad, mind you, some are quite nice. Consider for instance, Maryville, MISSOURI:
The privilege of admiring the curvaceous, unencumbered body of a young woman should not be denied to the normal, red-blooded American male.
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If you opt for #IV, glorifying both sex’s sex, does that mean there are no more sluts? Does it also mean glorifying homo sex?
Instead of either overall glorifying or simple shaming I’d like it if we could value the good aspects of eros and minimize the bad aspects.
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“Best post of the year…”
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That’s right, Jagal! If society punishes you for some behavior, you should adjust your behavior.
Wear a Mao suit if everyone is wearing a Mao suit. But that’s not near enough. You should internalize Maoism.
Anything less is uncontrolled selfish pathology.
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And you are also right, Jagal. There are no external needs, only internal ones, and they can all be 100% controlled. We are completely in charge of our own psychology. Our reality is internally created.
Psychopath. Your definition of what is under your control is psychopathic.
You are not in control, you egocentric nut.
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great post.
the 100% blank slate concept is yet again shown to generate hilarious predictions.
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this is a lot like arguments that “we like sugar because commercials tell us to like it”, vs “we like it because it tastes hella good”
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Oops – meant psychotic, not psychopathic.
I meant to call you a psychotic nut, not a psychopath.
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That is because when you call a woman a cunt, you are unmasking her femininity to expose a manipulative devil. You are calling her persona a sham.
When you call a man a dick, you unmask nothing.
To call a woman a cunt is to shout bullshit at all her sly social manipulation. To peel back all the onion layers of her self importance until all that is left of her self esteem is her vagina. Nothing but a cunt.
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Ya, and the reason men and women have sex is due to a social culture that condones that.
Beauty is a social construct also.
In fact, everything is a social construct. That is why we should discuss who is to blame, and what is right and wrong. Then legalize or criminalize behavior based on social codes.
That is fem-centric thinking. Communist thinking. All you girls have is the power of your flappy little lips, so you want to bring EVERYTHING under the sway of society.
Fuck you and your society too.
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Betty Broderick, Symbol of Bitter Divorce, Seeks Parole – Sphere News
(Jan. 21) — When Elisabeth “Betty” Broderick’s successful husband of 16 years dumped her for his young legal assistant, she seethed with a white-hot fury.
She was one angry Betty, as a California writer, a long-time Broderick watcher, recently observed.
She covered the walls of his house in San Diego with black spray-paint and drove her car through his front door. She left angry, obscenity-laced tirades on his answering machine. Then she crept into his bedroom early on a Sunday morning and shot him and his new wife to death.
[…]
According to testimony, Broderick long suspected her husband was having an affair, which she confirmed when she tried to surprise him at the office on his birthday and learned he’d spent much of the day with his legal assistant. In a rage, she threw his clothes into the yard and burned them.
She said Dan Broderick abused her and then used his legal connections to crush her as their marriage broke up.
“The family hates these lies because Dan was about as honorable and wonderful a guy as you would want to meet,” said his brother Larry. “There are hundreds of people out there who feel the same way about him. All he wanted to do was get away from this woman.”
A Harvard-educated former president of the San Diego Bar Association, Dan Broderick was so well regarded in the legal community that the library of the Bar Association building was re-named the Broderick room after his death.
Betty Broderick’s diaries were read in court, and Dan’s answering machine tapes were played — including one in which their son pleaded with his mother to stop using “bad words” about his father. The couple’s oldest daughter, Kimberly, testified that her mother told her she hated the girl’s father and wished the children had never been born.
[…]
http://www.sphere.com/crime/article/betty-broderick-symbol-of-bitter-divorce-seeks-parole/19325868?icid=main|
How’s about them apples??
*Roissy – you should do a seperate post on this.
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Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Nothing but circular logic and justification for your principles.
You have no right to use the word “therefore” when all you are putting out there is circular logic. You can’t make the same conclusion as your assumption, and stick a therefore in the middle of it.
We are more than animals therefore we should act as more than animals.
No, we are not more than animals. We are animals who are aware that we are animals and can talk about how we are animals.
People get heady. All up in their head. You can’t socially or intellectually or by an act of will uncreate your animal nature. It isn’t more spiritual to be monogamous than non-monogamous. It isn’t more spiritual to meditate than to fuck.
You want to know what is spiritual? In Buddhism they call it vipassana, which is loosely translated as insight. It is grown through shamata, which is loosely translated as concentration or mindfullness. Through the habit of not running on auto-pilot, and continuously running all actions through the higher cognitive centers, PLUS continuously being mindful of the body and all body based feelings, PLUS integrating all sensations loosely, including emotions, PLUS letting go of habitual chatter, one gradually builds up the habit of having all aspects of mind work in concert. So instead of running on autopilot, occasionally consulting a rule book, you have an ongoing wide array of connections making and breaking aliances. You have the muse, you have creativity, you have flexibility. You have an adaptable peace and humor and joy and skill.
You can’t find spirituality in not being an animal. You find it in being an animal as well as all else that you are.
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Anony
Marketed to whom?
In Italy they have men and women politicians notorious for their sex lives. Didn’t they have a porn star in high political position?
You’ve got it backwards about the “problem”. If a society is sick, it does not make the non-conformist sick.
You agree with a sick society, sicko.
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Tiger should have his Leno jawed 8 carat wearing cervix read the below listed article…
http://trueslant.com/jendoll/2010/01/21/report-marriage-sucks-for-women/
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My only quibble is the “99 out of 100″ bit.
Even the 99 out of a 100 is too high. How do we know this? Because, as Jason Malloy of GNXP has pointed out, gay men have essentially zero restrictions on the number of partners they can have, aren’t partner maximizers or even close. Only about 1/3 of gay men go in for the radical promiscuity that gay men have a rep for about 1/3 are somewhere in between and 1/3 have quite low partner counts. Some of that is doubtlessly due to AIDS, but not all. Shockingly, a higher percent of gay men are virgins than straight men.
I’m not disputing Roissy’s main point, that it’s ridiculous to describe behaviour that a majority of men would engage in if given the chance as evidence of a mental illness. My own personal estimate is that somewhere between 70-90% of men would behave exactly like Tiger in the same circumstances.
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The educrats have been medicalizing boyhood and medicating it with Ritalin for about a decade now, I suppose the reaction to Woods is the the natural expansion of the first false premise.
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Markku
Thank the revolution of the internets that in this new day and age it might be true that a young man should have known better.
In my youth, a young man could not possibly have known better. Youth is full of the folly that leads to wisdom. It isn’t full of the wisdom that leads to old age.
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“I think it would be funny if our culture were one where male gigolos are forgiven and invited onto talk shows and cheating wives are forced to cough up half their assets and income, lose custody of their children, and be shamed from polite society. Sounds punitive, doesn’t it? Well, that’s what we have today. Just reverse the genders.”
Pure gold b-t-w. Thats is something Ive always tried to do in order to be truly fair when faced with contention. I ask myself if the roles were completey reversed, or “if it were me”, would circumstances be fair? I think men are willing to ask things like this of themselves because we really are inherently more just and fair than women are by nature.
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z “I think men are willing to ask things like this of themselves because we really are inherently more just and fair than women are by nature.”
Yes, and women not only politicize all “truths”, they do so in teams. It’s in their nature not only to dissimulate, but to team up in in their dissimulation. They call that culture.
I give the big middle stiffy to culture.
Fuck you and your culture too.
I control resources and manipulate women like a puppeteer. My greatest pleasure in life is winning from an inferior position.
You know how in the movie the protagonist feigns an injury, only to launch a surprise attack from his back?
That’s me. You think you are winning? Got one over on me? Good. Think that. Ha! Gotcha. Now you are in love with me and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.
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Tiger’s problem is that his golfing career is based on projecting a ‘family-friendly’ image hence Tom Daley doing the same thing wouldn’t be news.
BTW:
Normal woman – doesn’t like sex.
Nymphomaniac – actually likes sex.
Normal man – likes sex.
Satyrisiac – actually can get some regularly.
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One thing I’m going to comment on, about the whole I-IV thing and the Roman Empire.
Rome did not decay into a hedonistic society until quite late in its life. Early on, the Roman society was based around an exceedingly strong family unit, where the father and head of the family had complete power over its affairs. Fertility goddesses and all, the sexuality that the society praised was around that which built that basic, strong family unit; hence, fertility was the main theme around sexuality (specially female sexuality) symbolism.
Bacchus and co., and the uncontrolled hedonism, came much later, after the conquest of Greece. Ironically, so did the “liberalization” of women in that society.
I’d strongly recommend Indro Montanelli’s “History of Rome” to anyone reading this site who’s interested on this.
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@The_King:
Brothels and stuff ain’t female fantasies; they are male ones. Chastity was considered a Roman virtue; most of the writing about Roman leaders and their sexual scandals should be read the same way as modern quelle horreurs on our own leaders weaknesses. Anyhow, Rome was definitely not a “4” society. Sumeria may have been, but not Rome; not at any time in its history.
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Completely spot on. I’ve been waiting for this post and wasn’t disappointed. Only one small disagreement.
Marriage per se was not his mistake.
His mistake was marriage in a society that stigmatizes (or medicalizes) extra-marital sex (for men, but romanticizes it for women) and idealizes “vows” that neither men nor women follow (though only men are considered beastly–or sick–for breaking them).
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Tiger’s mistake was a combination of cheating, not using tracphone and letting his wife have golf clubs.
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Isn’t Stacy Kaiser the therapist from Celebrity Fit Club? She seemed like a moron on that show!
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Let me get this straight. The guy made more money than can be spent on personal needs for him and untold generations that follow, had pussy on tap, and probably still does, and the guy made a mistake?
What’s the evidence of his mistake? That some women and women centered media are giving him loads of free negative publicity? That his wife is having a conniption fit?
Wives always have conniption fits. “Causing” a wife to have a conniption fit is called living a full life. It’s not a mistake.
As for the negative publicity, why should he care? He’ll still have an endless supply of hot pussy, until he is dead. And an endless supply of money, until he is dead.
Some “mistake”.
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Why the hell did he get married and have two kids if he wanted to screw around with so many women??? For Christ’s sake he was screwing around while his wife was pregnant.
He took vows, made a commitment, then didn’t have the discipline or self control to keep it. So he slept around with multiple skanks, ended his marriage, hurt and publicly humiliated his wife, robbed his kids of being raised in a stable two-parent home with their biological mother and father, and cost himself millions in lost endorsements. Then he disappears like a little bitch. The guy is a jackass, I don’t think he has a single alpha cell in his entire body.
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Tiger’s mistake was cheating on his whores with a wife a family.
The therapists are just enablers. A life full of whores is demanding and time-consuming and requires a full-time commitment on Tiger’s part, none of this slipping off to spend time with a broodmare and spawn – on a holiday no less.
He knew that was wrong and at least tried to stay in contact with the whores he was doing wrong, but the double life was doomed to fail.
It was a lurid episode in his life and he’ll never be free of the consequences of that bad decision, but I’m confident that he has the strength of character to put it behind him and be the full time whoremonger he’s always wanted to be.
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For Christ’s sake he was screwing around while his wife was pregnant.
since she was pregnant he couldn´t fuck her. pregnant women are gross
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I refuse to accept the notion that woods is somehow alpha
Also http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/631528/Tiger-had-me-in-the-rough-Mindy-Lawtons-frantic-sex-with-Tiger-Woods.html were all the flings this ugly?
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@RMM:
“I’d strongly recommend Indro Montanelli’s “History of Rome” to anyone reading this site who’s interested on this.:
I would trump that work with:
“The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” by the first modern historian of ancient Rome: Edward Gibbon
the Folio Society has it for $19.00 or so
http://www.foliosociety.com/book/AZA0/history-of-the-decline-and-fall-of-the-roman-empire
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@Anonymous
The definition of ‘Alpha’ is subjective, but to put it succinctly, an Alpha is a man’s man, bold, confident and accomplished.
Mr Woods is definitely an elite Aplha in the accomplishment department. Money, status, fame. Such things combined are undoubtedly a potent pussy magnet.
However, Mr Woods is a beta-omega in his behavior by pleading his wife to stay, by begging those sluts to hush up and most importantly, by getting married. He was already successful as a bachelor, he certainly did not need that excess baggage called a ‘wife’.
I most certainly agree that Tiger Woods’ single mortal mistake was to get married. And shame on those shrinks for demonising what was supposed to be a natural thing -a man’s libido.
I bet they would be singing a different tune had Mrs Woods been the one sleeping around. ‘She was neglected’. ‘She needed to find herself’. ‘Tiger was to blame’.’A man should take responsibility for a stray wife’… Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah.
Simple solution: spare yourself the BS and avoid marriage like the plague. All you high net worth guys out there please take special note.
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great post. coupla things, though:
–i’m not sure female sexuality is actually glorified – feminism is about female power, privilege, and control over the sexual/cultural narrative. it’s an essentially political ideology, and under that surface, not every woman is a crazed slut. female choosiness/modesty is alive and well in many quarters. slut behavior is, if not exactly shamed, gawked at morbidly on the likes of maury povich and oprah.
— i’m surprised no other commenter picked up on the Toynbeean cycle of civilization implicit in that categorization. II is characteristic of societies with coherent beliefs, upward arcs, and a short distance from material want or deprivation in their histories. the suppression of overtly sexual behavior helps harness beta males into constructive social purposes and curbs female hypergamy – in both cases reinforcing monogamy. this is the sexual energy/foundation roissy was evidently talking about as the foundation for a strong late-industrial society. Lupo is right that this characterized Rome for most of its history – it was a society of builders, engineers and colonizers – but RMM and The_King are right that late Rome, in its period of decadence, was more like IV. IV is more characteristic of civilizations that are spent, tired, decadent, unsure of any core beliefs, and too wealthy and distracted for its own good. Sound familiar?
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Might interest you guys.
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Altruism, Adversarialism and Women: 01
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/altruism-adversarialism-and-women-01/
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I think Roissy has a decent point.
Anyway, imagine if Tiger has banged 10 or 11 men over the past few years. Would people be acting as if something was wrong with him? As if he were a terrible person? I doubt it.
That’s how topsy-turvy our world is. Promiscuous homosexual conduct is applauded as a natural expression of an in-born desire. While the normal male sex drive is castigated.
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silas: We are not merely animals, and therefore we should not act as _merely_ animals. [emphasis added]
xsplat, in reply to silas: You can’t find spirituality in _not_ being an animal. You find it in being an animal as well as all else that you are.
The two are neither contradictory or mutually exclusive. Points off for xsplat for errors in reading comprehension and logic.
But it felt good, right?
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I’d like to see Roissy comment on this article, specifically the promiscuous Starbuck’s employee who is suing for sexual harassment and how some women (not all) attempt to regulate male behavior while pursuing theirs unimpeded.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/teenage-starbucks-barista-sues-sex-demands-work/story?id=9631145
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Brilliant!!! Roissy should be writing a New York Times Op-Ed column.
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Roissy, this posting is the most valuable I have seen in the year I have been reading your blog.
I do think you are being too pessimistic about the future. Not in our lifetimes, but I am optimistic that our grandsons AND granddaughters will enjoy a World with a IV dominant viewpoint. It will be a battle and it will never be everywhere at all times, but I do think it is going to get better.
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#IV if adopted by North America societies would have to have resulted from anarchy. For examply to me it says we would have had to abandon all laws which protect children from sexual exploitation because a hedonistic society which glorifies male and female sexuality means we seek pleasure first regardless. No? Or do we put parameters on pleasure? Genuinely curious.
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@CZ, if you are trying to engage me you’ll need to be more specific. All I hear from you is dissimulation. That the two are not mutually exclusive is my fucking point, retard. Exactly what I said – word for word. Reading comprehension? You really don’t get what I wrote, do you. I accuse you of dissimulation because you obfuscate my meaning with nothing. No new information or exact critique of my reasoning. Probably because you have some agenda or point of view you are sticking too.
@Aoefe, we already have subcultures of 1 through 4. It’s only so called “mainstream” culture that leans towards number two. Any media that depends on income from advertisers that sell to women. Such media is not a proxy for culture – culture exists in pockets.
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@ Anony
That Tiger Woods article you’ve linked to is hilarious. Here are some quotes:
“I was so excited I was going to have a drink with Tiger Woods. I knew he was married, but whenever he had come into the restaurant with his wife he looked so miserable… but I didn’t feel bad about seeing a married man, as to me it was just a drink.”
Way to rationalize away the guilt.
“If it was early in the morning and Tiger was going away for a tournament he would call me up for quick, urgent sex and I was happy to oblige… he knows his way around the bedroom. On a scale of ten I would give him 12… it was a thrill to be the secret lover of such a famous star… Tiger just used me as his sex toy. I thought I meant something to him, but all he cared about was lust. He is a selfish, heartless man.”
Yeah, it was his expectations that led to this.
You both knew what was going on, and were happy to do it. Therefore he is a ‘selfish, heartless man’
“I did not ask him about her, but I got the impression that he was not happy and the marriage was sexless. Why else would he be having sex with me?”
Good question, having looked at the photos. Bored, I would imagine, or just wanted a skank.
“I really did fall for the guy, I began to dream that I would some day be the next Mrs Woods. I really did think that he would want to be with me. He is such an attractive guy and what woman wouldn’t be attracted to him. Of course it probably helped that he is worth millions.”
You think?
I’m not sure about classifying him as an alpha / beta, they all seem interchangeable and contextual to me, especially when you hear the voicemail. I’ve no problem with Tiger chasing tail for his whole life, even average to poor looking diner waitresses like this one if that’s what gets it done. But if that’s what he wanted, you’d have to say that getting married was a mistake.
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Raymo, I like your optimism, but there is also cause for pessimism.
Culture is not, in fact, culturally created. Not entirely. The substrate and foundation of it is our monkey primate natures, which are adaptable but not mutable.
Women are in general in opposition to men, in their life strategies. They have in-built proclivities and tendencies and emotional biases that are hard wired and go back not only a few generations, but to at least since we were bipedal.
As a group, women have strategies towards power. The sisterhood is loose alliance of convenience that parcels out pussy as a resource, in order to get the most value from men, as a group, as possible. Women love the labor of men.
So when men act as rogues, individuals with their own interest in mind, and openly go against the system of women parcelling out pussy in return for enslaving men, as a group women react. With indignation.
And when one of their own is slighted by being “cheated” on, they react, as a group, with fury.
That’s a situation that is built into the human condition. It’s emotional hardwiring – exactly as jealousy is emotional hard-wiring.
The good news is that some people are not entirely emotionally driven. Some of us handle polyamory reasonably well. We get jealous, but accept that as part of the chosen lifestyle. So, our situation is adaptable.
It’s just unlikely that the majority of people will choose any one strategy – more unlikely to chose the one strategy that that requires the most mental energy and sophistication – polyamorous sex.
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Maurice “was more like IV. IV is more characteristic of civilizations that are spent, tired, decadent, unsure of any core beliefs, and too wealthy and distracted for its own good. Sound familiar?”
But isn’t that all just a bunch of adjectives? Nothing but frame, and therefore all rather meaningless?
If you are rich enough and getting enough, why bother building up more material success?
If the argument is to perpepuate the arms race, sooner or later that argument implodes.
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Nicole said:
>Why the hell did he get married and have two kids if he wanted to screw around with so many women??? For Christ’s sake he was screwing around while his wife was pregnant.
Wasn’t it John Slade who said, “Some women are for fuckin’ and some women are for lovin’.”
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And when discussing culture I think it’s important to remain mindful of the human castes. Not the social divisions of wealth, but the caste divisions that are likely dna based. We have the artisans and the soldiers, for instance. Humans, as social animals, are similar to the ants. We have worker castes and managerial castes.
Isn’t the rogue male a type of caste? The man who is likely to have children with above average testosterone, who will likely go on to become a ladies man who fathers children from multiple women? That’s the basis of women being attracted to the bad boys, right?
And the betas are the working caste.
I’ve heard it argued that the Jews lost their working caste along the way, and that there are no Jewish farmers. They act as a caste in our society – they don’t have to worry about defending their society with arms – they infiltrated all others.
So when talking about culture and society, it is not only a grouping of subcultures, but a culture itself is not of one type of humans. There are castes of humans. Humans with inbuilt proclivities. Some of us are risk takers, others seek stability. Some are extroverts and leaders, others like to focus on their passions behind the scenes. We don’t merely adapt and specialize, we are born adapted and specialized, like ants.
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In hindsight, sure, you’d have to say marrying was a mistake.
As I deliberately don’t follow celebrity gossip, I have no idea about Tiger story. Haven’t read one article about it and don’t plan to. So I don’t know – was he already rich and famous when he married? Did he already have the sexual options that he now has?
If not, then the idea of mistake may not apply. His situation changed. It may have made sense at the time.
And some mistakes are only mistakes in hindsight. Given limited knowledge we make choices that look poor only from the later position of increased knowledge. The decision making process itself is not necessarilly flawed. People get into bad marriages for all the good reasons.
As I see it, life is meant to have mistakes in it. How else could you look back on it and say that you lived a full life, and that now you are ready to die? I’m glad for all the mistakes in my life – all the fullness and richness of it. I’d not delete them, not even with all the wisdom hindsight has given me. How else would I learn, if not from my mistakes? From reading up on life on the internet? We didn’t have it back then. And even today, it only helps so much.
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RMM,
I’d strongly recommend Indro Montanelli’s “History of Rome” to anyone reading this site who’s interested on this.
RMM, would you happen to know a site that hosts a free download of Montanelli’s work? I’ve tried googling it but no luck.
Xsplat, you should write a book my friend.
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@Jesus_Lizard
A very revealing comment in the link you posted:
We have had the media acting as if her virginity and honor were preyed upon by her manager/lover. The cold hard fact of the matter is: She is a slut.
It would appear avarice is alive and well in the O.C.
Now, I wouldn’t be surprised if she actually initiated the sexual liaison, and was gaming for a big cash settlement from an out of court settlement. I am not blaming the victim… because her tears are crocodile tears. She is no more a victim than the Pope is genetically Jewish.
Now before people cry foul, that she is underage & the A.O.C. in California eighteen. (Which is the highest in the nation, & quite arbitrarily high.)
While I agree, that the law need be obeyed while in effect, but at the same time, it activism is called for to lower it to something sensible; thus I am compelled to say that his ass needs to be in jail, for breaking the law.
If he can’t keep his hands off sixteen year old sluts, perhaps he should have lived in a state like Georgia (with its sixteen year-old AOC).
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I think we are in a hybrid of stage IV and stage I. The problem with Tiger is by marriage, he signed up for stage I. Had he remained single, he would have been Wilt.
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all of these so called clinical experts are full of shit. This is merely the feminizing of men. We are engineered to seek out multitudes of women. If that’s wrong, i don’t wanna be right…
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I wonder if Tiger were gay, if they would call his multiple sexual liaisons (with men, of course) anything but a lifestyle choice and who are we to criticize that.
Only straight male sexual impulses are controlled, not woman’s (straight or gay) or gay men’s.
Guys, wake up. The system is stacked against us.
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Ask a believer in the Rapture when he believes the Rapture will occur, and he’s quite likely to say, “Within my lifetime.” Naturally, he has proof drawn from our corrupted present-day society.
I find it remarkable that an intelligent writer who punctures cultural myths so well is unable to see his own entrancement by Imminent Doom — one of the most common mental weaknesses.
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Well, why would gay men or womens sexual impulses irk women? This isn’t some moral issue, the way men think of morals. This isn’t some issue of fairness, the way men think of fair. This is an issue of vested interest of one political group – females. Females demand cash for relationships. If you want to break up with a girl, you are expected to pay. They are hard wired to demand severance pay. Women consider it their innate and inborn right and priveledge to be paid for the right to access to their pussy, and act communally to uphold these group rights.
Gays are not part of this business deal, so they can do whatever they want. And of course women can do whatever they want. It’s a matter of follow the money.
Men trip themselves up, over and over, trying to understand the motivations of women. We try to think with logic, but really it’s so much simpler. Follow the motivation. Follow the money. Everything women say is dissimulation used for the sole purpose of propping up their main motivation, which is garnering the labor of men. Of course men must be de-testoroned to be able to be kept tame. Testosterone lowers dramatically when a woman tames us. Women, as a group, try to tame us.
So, I say, fuck you and fuck your society too.
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Fred, you just as easily use your argument to point out to people who would not believe that world war two was imminent.
Doomsday happens all the time. It’s more of a mental mixup to think it won’t happen in your lifetime than to think it will. Doomsdays are what to expect.
For instance we have no contingency plan yet for what happens when there is a shortage of oil. We aren’t moving fast enough in the direction of solutions for that problem. Most people are unaware of how fundamental oil is to commerce and food production. When there are resource conflicts, there are wars. And that’s just one area of strife we can look forward to. Fisheries, potable water, arable land. And technology has a consistent and predictable track record of causing unforseen and huge worldwide shifts.
To not forecast great change is a mental mixup.
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I’m expecting the Chinese to invade Indonesia within twenty years. The best hope is that they do it with mercantilism, as they are doing in Africa now. The worst case is that the islands will once again (and again, and again) be occupied.
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xplat: “Women consider it their innate and inborn right and priveledge to be paid for the right to access to their pussy, and act communally to uphold these group rights.”
See, the me-so-horny scene from Full Metal Jacket again.
What’d I tell ya?
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The Tiger Wood fiasco is simply a ‘what is wrong with the civilization formerly referred to as Western.’ It has every element of everything culturally/socially/evolutionary wrong –
The biggest joke and the forerunner to the rest of the story is that a man can be paid hundreds of millions of dollars for being able to hit a small ball from one end of a field into a hole on the other end of a field simply while using fewer strokes along the way than anyone else. That the thought of putting his picture on a Gatoraid bottle is going to make me buy that product faster than a competitor. That anyone would actually watch golf on TV. If Tiger is an Alpha there is no minimum requirement for the breed.
Tiger Woods himself is half Asian 25% black – whatever – his family was not intact and he has two half brothers. He has no cultural or ethnic identity. He is ridiculous looking and out of place with and to everyone. I swear – those teeth would be visible in a cave at night at 1000 yards.
‘Tiger was a prodigy and was playing golf as a toddler’. Translated that means his parents pushed him into it. That is common in Asian households and portrayed for instance in the movie ‘Joy Luck Club’. Tiger was then robbed of part of his childhood by his parents.
Tiger then marries a white woman from Sweden and has children with her – a woman who has in all respects nothing fundamentally in common with him. Maybe she liked his teeth.
Tiger does golf his 18 hours a day 7 days a week – he is not reading Kant or The Canterbury Tales in Olde English in his spare time and is probably intellectually on a level with an 18 year old community college chick –
So you have the foregoing with a 9 or 10 figure bank account – could his life have gone any other way than it has. A complete WASTE.
And his children have been humiliated – for the rest of their lives – they will be reading articles of their father’s infidelity to their mother in tabloids – “Tiger broke the promise he made when he married mommy . . . etc. etc. etc.”
On the back end – someone mentioned he was ordered to attend sex addiction therapy? And that fact remains that if his wife files for divorce he may have to pay her hundreds of millions of dollars?
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Well, I think Tiger has done well for a young man given so much fame, adulation, and money at such a young age. I don’t know his educational background, but, I doubt he has any/many intellectual pursuits. So, how will he spend his spare time and all that money?
Getting married so young was his mistake.
Read that again boys. There was nothing about making big bucks, being famous, and cavorting with the ladies that did him any harm. It was marriage that did him in.
I certainly hope his wife is charged with a felony for trying to brain him with a golf club. Do you think she will be sent to an anger management class? Could this be a hate crime? Any double standards here?
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Any time you hit someone in the head with a golf club it is a hate crime.
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You’re right. The redpill was a bitch to swallow but once I did it took about ten minutes of thinking to come up with that exact conclusion.
I should have realized earlier that anytime someone asks or demands that I do something in the name of an abstraction then nine times out of ten they’re selling something or working another angle on me. It took a while to burn my childish idealism away and the political and (il)legal events of the past ten years have totally alienated me from talk about following rules, especially from people who make money off the government or who won the sperm lottery through birth to a wealthy family.
That’s why I say fuck the system and society. I’m getting mine however it takes. It’s the only rational attitude so far as I can see.
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Jim Kirk,
Last I checked Tiger was still famous, still had a few hundred million more in his bank account than you, and could still bang more chicks in a week than you could in a year. Hate on Hater.
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“Tiger was still famous, still had a few hundred million
more in his bank account than you, and could still bang
more chicks in a week than you could in a year. Hate on
Hater.”
To TheSpeciman:
Yeah . . yeah . .. . yeah . . . . yeah – JERSEY RULES
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[…] Roissy – “The Story of a Man Who Refused to Buy a Girl a Drink“, “The Medicalization of Maleness” […]
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“I wonder if Tiger were gay, if they would call his multiple sexual liaisons (with men, of course) anything but a lifestyle choice and who are we to criticize that.”
Well, remember the Jim McGreevey fiasco? He was a married governor (NJ) who had an extramarital homosexual affair with a member of his cabinet. The media wasn’t exactly kind to him either, and his wife made the rounds of daytime talk shows (oh my vicious husband cheated on me WITH ANOTHER MAN! It’s SOOOO dreadful! etc etc.)
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I am an aging beta male who had fleeting moments of alpha, but lost out money-wise so I am done and retired. But last summer working a partime job as a bus driver at the PGA I didn’t hear anyone utter any glowing comments about Tiger Woods. One guy said when I asked him who he was rooting for said “Anyone but Tiger”. Many people seemed pleased with the victory ( can you call winning at golf a victory? maybe that is a bit too bloody-minded for the effete game) of Yang. I think the ambiguous race issue is quite real. People don’t know what to make of him. I agree he is sort of ugly.
Most of the people seemed to be in their 60’s. The women for the most part were grandma types. I saw very few hotties; many men were obese. Very few athletic looking people. I think golf is having a hard time figuring out what it is. It isn’t like tennis, because it doesn’t involve muscle power to a great extent; it is outdoorsy yet dull. I think it is best thought of as a rehab thing; expansive shuffle board maybe.
As for me, I ride a recumbent bike on Minnesota’s superlative trials. The glimpses you occasionally get of trim female butts is worth the price of admission.
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Doxy, did you notice the pattern that it was a woman who was criminally cheated on?
Men are allowed, by women, to cheat on men.
It’s only women that aren’t allowed to be cheated on. If you do that publicly, they will try to shame you publicly.
Privately the same women who would publicly shame you will try to fuck you.
This public shaming for having more than one female mate is an emotion that women have. I’m not sure if men have that – I don’t have it. Certainly women have it much stronger. And they have group-think much stronger than men do. Combine the two and you get female retribution – the whole class of humans acts as one to create spectacles such as crying poor me let get him on the Oprah show.
I think it’s important to point out that these emotions and sexual strategies are inbuilt and common to the female. We men tend to project our own thinking processes onto women, and when we communicate, we therefore try to meet in the common ground of rational logic and justice. But women aren’t coming from it from that angle at all. They feel truly angry about men getting pussy without paying for it dearly.
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Above was exsplat, in reply to doxy. Another dyslexic moment.
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Ovim:
>RMM, would you happen to know a site that hosts a free
>download of Montanelli’s work? I’ve tried googling it but no
>luck.
Afraid not, it’s not a particularly popular piece of work, at least in the English language. It originally appeared as a series of articles in the 50’s in, if I recall correctly, Corriere della Sera.
I’ve seen it pop up in Amazon.com every so often as second-hand, and of course the italian and spanish versions are usually available. I’d be not surprised, however, if they had it in your local library. It’s been around for a while (1962 was the first edition IIRC).
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I had a friend who occassionally went to the child support officer. Invariably a lesbian. Who said once, when he asked in a joking way if moving away would help him avoid paying, was told “Never, creep. We’ll hunt you down.”
At that moment he pledged never to have any more kids.
Seems that men pay dearly to have more than one pussy and pay dearly to use the pussy the law says they can.
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””””””At that moment he pledged never to have any more kids.
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That is glass half empty thinking. He could have pledged to go ahead and not care how many kids he had since they can only take so much.
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He should have reported her behavior to her supervisors for unprofessionalism.
Pledging to never have any more kids (if you otherwise want them) because some bureaucrat was boorish is like cutting off your nose because your boss pissed you off. As in, “dude, who is being punished here?”
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Hey PA,
Ask again, why dude?
Proles should get themselves declared handicapped (a Psch Disability is 100%, and draw SSI-SSD. While its not a load of cash, it allows one the freedom to not work a minimum wage job.
But the true upside, is the welfare state will take care of all of the babies that you inflict on the females. No worries about child support, or jail for non-payment.
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Well, he pledged to himself, not out loud. True story, too. The guy, who I knew well, was nice enough to move out of the townhouse we shared in order to rent a much larger apartment. He did this so his daughter would have her own room. She was becoming a young woman and needed her own space.
I had called 911 a few times for him because he was diabetic and would slip into hypoglycemic states when he was alone drinking. He was planning on renting from me again because he found his daughter didn’t like going to his place. He was not cool enough.
Two nights after we talked about setting him up in a room he was found dead.
I guess when they hunt you down they are not kidding.
He did manage to work hard enough to take his daughter and former girlfriend to hawaii the summer before he died.
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mark wrote: “I had a friend who occassionally went to the child support officer. Invariably a lesbian. Who said once, when he asked in a joking way if moving away would help him avoid paying, was told “Never, creep. We’ll hunt you down.”
This is where people screw themselves. They “joke” at the wrong time, at the wrong place, and to the wrong person about the wrong things.
What makes people think that child support officers are going to take this jokingly?
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/crime_reporter_man_had_sex_with
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“As a valiant avatar of the ugly truths, I’m here to tell the collected wisdom of the armies of psychotherapists swinging their degrees like battle axes: Tiger Woods does not have a problem. What he has is a male sex drive, and a willingness to fulfull it. In so doing, he makes you confront your worst fears about the base instincts of humanity unleashed in glorious wanton hedonism. You shirk not because of what Tiger does, but because you tremble before your fear of what most men would do given the opportunities available to a man with Woods’ high social and material status.”
GAG!! OH my god, you are truly a frustrated writer-artist. Okay, I get that you want to provoke people and get attention, readers, clicks, etc… but you do know that you’ve blown any chance of a main$tream publisher/distribution deal because of your unbalanced psychotic leanings, don’t you?
Please, I don’t “tremble before my fear of what most men would do given the opportunities… blah blah blah.” If men were so secure in the idea that they’re just being healthy men by being serial cheaters on a gal like Elin, well, Tiger wouldn’t be holed up in some mumbo-jumbo sex addiction place in Mississippi trying to “fix” himself and save his marriage …
If you are a man who wants to slut around because you feel it’s your birthright to do so as a man, and further, it’s your imperative to do so as an alpha male, go right ahead. I’m not complaining. Just don’t complain to me that you can’t find a woman to marry who isn’t so cynical as to believe that “a man is only as faithful as his options” (in the words of Chris Rock). Or is the cynical type your ideal mate?
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As for myself, I’m currently evaluating (but not really) whether I want to throw in my lot with a guy I met recently. He has an M.D., but he’s not working as a doctor. He’s working as a tech guy at a hedge fund. He’s in decent shape. He has a slight build. We went to the same university. What I’m saying is that, he’s great on paper, and I have great conversations with him. But I don’t feel like sleeping with him. And, at least for me, that’s a deal-breaker. Maybe there are some attractive women out there who are willing to submit to a guy they aren’t attracted to for the sake of material security, but that’s not me. Maybe the fact that I’m set for life (thanks, Dad!!!) has made me picky. For all you guys who wonder whether a woman loves you for you or your money — it’s all intertwined, so deal with it.
Anyway, this guy is smart and thoughtful and responsible and never been married, but he does TINGLE THE GINA. His lips remind me of overripe sausages when he tries to kiss me. He practically asks for permission to even put a hand on my leg. Every fiber of my body says “friend zone!!” The thought of him naked makes me cringe.
My point? I guess my immediate reaction to roissy’s entry here is that I don’t care, much less value, any individual guy for the professed fact that he would never cheat on me. If he doesn’t cheat on me, it’s only because he doesn’t have that option (i.e., no other woman would have him). That he has the natural male drive of Tiger is a given, and also immaterial. Tiger could have stayed single or married a promiscuous porn star or some woman who would look the other way. But he didn’t. That’s not Elin’s fault; it’s his. And that he is in some mumbo-jumbo sex addiction clinic now, trying to save his marriage, shows that he — Tiger Woods, billionaire athlete, prodigy — is the one who wanted something unnaturally and undeservedly beyond his reach, not Elin.
Back to me — Hypothetically, I might be willing to marry a guy like my nerdy-hedge-fund-IT-guy, if we could strike a deal along the lines of “okay, it’s a marriage of convenience;you can sleep with anyone else you want as long as I can sleep with anyone else I want.” But he could never agree to that because he’s a man, and he would not stand for me sleeping with anyone else. And anyway, I would never shame a man like that,or even propose such an arrangement. See how decent I am?
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I mean he does NOT tingle the gina. Freudian typo? Dunno.
Anyway, I’ve been thinking lately that there are three human genders: alpha male, beta male, and female. Most males (by definition, beta males) are unnecessary and expendable. They’re like the sterile, sexless worker honeybees in a hive, servicing the queen bee. Traditional wars served the salutary purpose of culling the human population. But beta males, through their sheer number and the intellectual inheritance of human evolution, have turned out to be the builders of society. With this has come the institution of monogamous marriage (thus thwarting women’s hypergamous and polygamy-tolerating tendencies toward committing to being Donald Trump’s third wife instead of Bozo the Clown or Random Roissy Reader’s first wife) and the general building of civilization as we know it. This has been observed in chimpanzee tribes (beta chimps work in concert to distract the big macho alpha chimp, thus allowing one of their beta brethren to mate with one of the alpha’s harem).
With the rise of the beta male has also come the feminization of war (and society in general). Enemy combatants are killed through diplomacy, and failing that, remote control.
If you are a beta male who’s frustrated at not having female company in your life — it’s not females that are thwarting you. It’s evolution. It’s alpha males. Why not hate on them as opposed to women? Oh yeah, because betas aspire to be alphas, so they can hardly hate on what they aspire to be. You’re all hypocrites and self-defeating crazies.
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[…] of the rare men who got access to his own harem and he lived it up. Make no mistake, ladies – EVERY man would do what he did if he could. And if every man did, the world would be as Roissy described it here: …there’d be grab-ass […]
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I agree with most of your assessments as to the irritating effect of feminism on the male lifestyle, but point out that actions do have consequences. You are correct that Woods should not be married if he just wants to play with floozies. A house divided against itself will fall.
Furthermore, I disagree that the male and female sex drive should be either shamed or glorified, but should be simply accepted for what they are and seen in the light of reality and dealt with as such.
Of course the social scales will not always be perfectly balanced, so if I had to choose one imbalance and I would choose:
III. Glorify the male sex drive. Shame the female sex drive.
The reason why is simply males are better at building empires than females. I don’t see as much of a problem with a male in control of multiple females as I do with a female in control of multiple males. I think polygamy should be allowed for this very reason.
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Don’t you see, the Medicalization of Maleness is driven by beta males — in other words, the typical guy! — just the same as monogamous marriage was an invention of the beta male.
If alpha males like Tiger weren’t shamed into thinking that their harem-keeping was pathological, then there would be that much fewer females for the beta males, who outnumber guys like Tiger by about, I dunno, 1000 to 1.
So, to the males out there — throw your lot in with the alpha males (harem-keeping rich, powerful & charismatic guys who don’t want to share their women even though they can’t possibly make use of all their women all the time, selfish bastards that they are) or the beta males (will settle for women who look at them as “not their first choice,” because sex and an equal chance of procreating is just that important to a man, and btw, I believe they are the builders of civilization and without whom alpha males would not be alpha). And then commit to your choice, for your own peace of mind if not society’s.
Yes, I get that your fantasy is to be a harem-keeping all-powerful alpha male. And my fantasy is to be that alpha male’s one and first and only wife. But neither is gonna happen. So instead of hating on entire genders that happen to encompass the object of your lust/love/envy, why not just accept the truth of human condition and GROW UP!!!!
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“Obstinance Works” [sic] writes:
“The reason why is simply males are better at building empires than females. I don’t see as much of a problem with a male in control of multiple females as I do with a female in control of multiple males. I think polygamy should be allowed for this very reason.”
Hey, I agree with you. 100%. If we’re talking about the temporal propagation of the human species, a male in control of multiple females is the way to go. You do realize, however, that for every female that becomes a member of that alpha male’s harem, there is a sad, lonely beta male who is left sex-less and partner-less, right? In earlier times, this extraneous male would have been killed off by deprivation or traditional warfare. Now, however, with warfare (at least in Western societies) being waged in a “feminized” manner of talky-negotiating diplomacy and remote control (where you don’t have to get anywhere near your enemy before blowing him to bits with your electronically controlled missile), the ratio of beta males to reproductively-optimal/necessary alpha males is higher than ever.
I should start my own website about these truths, and at least convince beta males to accept their place as beta males. It’s not all bad. It’s pretty good, in fact. It’s honorable to be a member of the class that built civilization. So long as that civilization isn’t obsessed with the sheer number of sex partners. What kind of banal mind do you have that you would be obsessed with the number of sex partners?
All hail the beta male! Of course, as a female, my preferred fuck-partner would be the traditional alpha male. But what of it? The mass of beta males if more powerful than the selfish, cult-attracting, folk-song inspiring alpha. Such is the nature of art.
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It’s not a coincidence that the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, where a man is legally allowed 4 wives (and as many concubines that he can materially support).
In less than 20 years, China will have to deal with a surplus of angry, horny, pimply-faced, frustrated males — all too vulnerable to some charismatic leader who would put automatic weapons into their hands and tell them they are divinely special — and if the U.S. and everyone who would be impacted by China (i.e., the whole world) cares, they would do something about this new movement of terrorists-in-the-making. This whole current Middle-East dust-up would be a minor high-school fight compared to what could happen via the Far east.
Just saying.
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xplat wrote:
“Well, why would gay men or womens sexual impulses irk women? This isn’t some moral issue, the way men think of morals. This isn’t some issue of fairness, the way men think of fair. This is an issue of vested interest of one political group – females. Females demand cash for relationships. If you want to break up with a girl, you are expected to pay. They are hard wired to demand severance pay. Women consider it their innate and inborn right and priveledge to be paid for the right to access to their pussy, and act communally to uphold these group rights.”
Hmmm… at the risk of starting a flame war, I’d say that women’s inclination to demand cash for relationships — in the Western world, at least — is due to the fact that they are denied polygamous relationship arrangements with alpha males. In other words, these women are forced to settle for “monogamous” relationships with beta males. So if they separate from the beta male, they expect recompense for the cultural/opportunity cost of having foregone an arrangement with an alpha male would would have taken care of them even in the event of sexual abandonment/ disinterest.
If women’s tolerance/ preference for polygamous unions with alpha males were sanctioned by society at large, then there would be none of these complaints by beta males about how the world is rigged to benefit women.
Yes, of course, any female partner of an alpha male would wish to be his only partner because it’s natural for any of us humans to be so selfish, but a woman in such a situation would be more or less willing to accept being just one member of a harem if need be. Women can share their men much more willingly than a man is willing to share his women, even if he’s beta.
So if you’re a beta male, be grateful that you’re getting any. You’re not her first choice. If she’s happy, she’s just well-adjusted enough to reality to accept that you’re as good as she’s going to get. Were you to be so enlightened.
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Me Again, I’ve heard that one theory why humans evolved bipedalism is that wayyyyy back in olden times, the little primate guys who could walk while carrying their foraged food could hand it over for some pussy.
Seriously.
That’s how the two competing sexual strategies started. Strategy one = fight for domance. Strategy two = walk upright and carry bananas.
So there is likely truth to your skittles theory of mating. Don’t offer bananas if you want to play Alpha, and if you are playing Alpha, you don’t need to offer bananas.
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Yes, I call this strategy of the Beta males, to shame women into monogamy, the Ibu strategy. I probably shouldn’t call it that, as no one has a clue what I mean by it.
In Indonesia an Ibu is a Matron. The short haired lady with a few extra pounds who is running a household, and trying to keep her provider man out of trouble. Every time she sees a vixen in a short skirt, she’ll turn up her nose, as if disgusted at the very sight of such trollopy sexuality. She’s fighting the fight to keep sexuality out of the public sphere, so that her man won’t be tempted. She wants to make sex shameful, so that her man will keep spending his paychecks at home, and not run away.
Beta males use the same strategy of social shaming. But it is barely effective at all, because men don’t shame women. Only women shame women. Women can shame men because they have a resource we can’t get anywhere else. But nowadays women can earn there own money. So men can’t shame women anymore. All the woman will think is “So what are you going to do about it? Withhold resources?!”
I do look down on the beta strategy of being an Ibu. It’s simply not effective. It’s so much hand-wringing.
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xplat — Hello!
Ah yes, cultural value of shame. In short supply these days, at least in these here Western U.S.-type regions.
As for knowing one’s place — as in recognizing one is a beta male, or a beta female, or whatever, and not agitating to be anything above that — well, there’s something to be said about the fact that China and India are two of the most populous and long-lived civilizations ever. Please note, in particular, the Confucian-hierarchy reverence, and caste system, respectively. Of course, American society, being a mere infantile 230 years old, has no respect for such tradition-bound, time-tested categories and boundaries. This has had good and ill effects so far for us, arguably. Social mobility, anyone? But I fear that if history is a guide, over time, the U.S. will learn that rigid social class categories and citizens’ acceptance of such is required for the nation’s survival, as a nation.
I weep.
In the meantime, I long for a super powerful charismatic rich alpha male who will be so enchanted with me that he will make me his one and only. Right.
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Me again, you neglect that technological societies depend on class mobility.
You know how in all times women of the lowest caste and class had class mobility, by virtue of their beauty?
Nowadays all men have class mobility, by virtue of their money earning potential. The modern economic system demands managers and IT workers be available from all classes. Can’t compete otherwise.
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xplat said:
“Beta males use the same strategy of social shaming. But it is barely effective at all, because men don’t shame women. Only women shame women. Women can shame men because they have a resource we can’t get anywhere else. But nowadays women can earn there own money. So men can’t shame women anymore.”
Beta males can do more than “shame” alpha males and females for their hypergamous tendencies. By their sheer numbers, beta males form democracies and enact laws to make polygamy illegal. They, along with the alpha males’ first wives (i.e., Elin), also strive to make serial cheating a pathology.
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Yes, betas, by sheer numbers, define along with women what is mainstream culture.
But as we know, the beta males ability to have a say in what is mainstream culture is on the wane.
If a man is asking himself the big questions “how do I be happy”, and then the smaller questions “Since I need sex and love to be as happy as I can be, how do I get sex and love”, his answers must be pragmatic.
A lot of the discussion on men’s blogs like the Spearhead is anything but pragmatic. It’s hand wringing. It is trying to talk about how women “should” behave. Pointless chatter.
If you have a job to do, you get pragmatic about it. If you want both sex and love, game is not optional. Use all possible avenues towards attracting women, from bananas to exceptionally good fucking.
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xplat:
Will you marry me? I’m single and love sex and cooking.
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xsplat wrote:
“You know how in all times women of the lowest caste and class had class mobility, by virtue of their beauty?”
Not sure about that. The beautiful women might have become mistresses or otherwise fucked (whether they wanted that or not). But it was only women of a certain social class who were officially recognized in the king’s chambers.
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Me, the story of Cinderella is not an enduring tale for nothing. All women innately are Cinderalla. There is a reason for that.
Think of all the small town girls who won a beauty contest. They know what class mobility is.
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And it’s telling that you, as a woman, prefer social stratification. Women tend to. Matriarchal societies tend to produce strict class divisions. When it’s the mother who arranges for the wife of her son, you can be sure that caste is looked at closely.
Men prefer social mobility.
This is one reason that Matriarchal societies can’t compete in the technological/industrial world. Too class consious.
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No, Me, I won’t marry you. But send me a pic and we might arrange for you to run a household and business for me.
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No, I don’t prefer social stratification. I’m just pointing out its importance throughout history. If asked, I would say I prefer social mobility. Maybe because I’ve always considered myself an outsider in American society. (clue! clue!) So I like the romantic American ideal of the individual.
Also, I’d say that China and India are anything but matriarchal. And their IT know-how? Hahahahah!!!! ahem. urgh. Hahahaha!!!!
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I make a mean New York strip steak with red wine mushroom sauce and spinach souffle. And caramel flan for dessert.
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I don’t know about China, but in S and SE Asia, grown men never cut the apron strings. They litterally need momma’s permission to do anything of importance.
Desi’s will tell you that Indian men are weak little mommas boys. Even Desis despise them.
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I’ve never made tandoori chicken, but I swear, I can learn. And I love aloo gobi and saag paneer.
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As well as all the positions in the kama sutra…
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He’s a billionaire sports star with a jungle cock. For fuks sake Bitch, you knew what you were signing on for. Put up or shut up, the world doesn’t need to hear about it.
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[…] 3, 2010 by roissy On January 21st, I wrote the following in this post: Tiger Woods may not be a model citizen, but neither does he have an emotional or psychological […]
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I’d like to take you up on that racist remark you made:
“the swath across much of subsaharan Africa.”
I was actually enjoying reading your essay, which I thought was right on target in many respects, until I came across two sentences that thoroughly disappointed me. The above quote was the first one. The second one was:
“Personally, I live by construct number IV.”
Those two comments made it clear that not only are you a racist scumbag (at least towards black people), but you are also someone who lacks any morals, sexually or otherwise. By the way, who the hell was it that told you that male and female sexuality is “glorified” in sub-Saharan Africa????
For your information, sub-Saharan African societies are some of the most socially conservative in the world and tend to detest open displays of sexuality unlike your hedonistic Europe and America where a shameless slut like Paris Hilton is bestowed with honour all over the country instead of condemned and castigated. I suspect that you got your erroneous impression about the sub-Saharan African “swath” from the overblown AIDS propaganda by your western media. You should try to check up on facts, my friend, before posting garbage on the internet manufactured from your own dull impressions. Africa is nowhere near as sex-glorifying as your godless hypocritical country.
Next time you are trying to write a serious article, be careful not to let your bias against a particular group of people become so apparent by, for example, using deferential words like “culture” for Arabs and Scandinavians and then switching to demeaning words like “swath” for sub-Saharan Africans. People normally find it hard to conceive of a scumbag writing a serious article.
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“As I see it, a culture can grapple with the reality of the sexual market and its consequences in one of four ways:
I. Shame/demonize/medicalize the male sex drive. Condone/laud/glorify the female sex drive…America has chosen number I, which is probably the worst option to choose for a mature economic powerhouse rapidly morphing into a trifurcated multicultural and multiethnic population of immense size. This is the option that will send most men into either withdrawal or violence, and most women into hypergamous overdrive. No modern economy, built as they almost invariably all are on the sweat of men with an eye toward saving and investing in the future, can survive a long bout with a value system resting squarely in number I.”
I believe this very astute observation by Roissy sums up why the economy went into a tailspin downwards, why we can’t put a man on the moon today, and why bridges in Minnesota are collapsing.
Sex is what motivates guys to get up in the morning and do what they have to do to create a civilization. They have to work hard and invent (game, for example) in order to get what they want.
Women on the other hand are accustomed to having things come to them (guys, sex, money, jobs, free drinks, etc.). In terms of biology, they don’t have the strength, nor the patience to sustain a society beyond a primitive, tribal based society like the pagans or the typical rural African village. Because they focus mostly on their immediate family, like their offspring, they also lack the leadership needed to control a large group of people.
By depriving men of sex you are destroying civilization by putting too much of that power in the hands women who can’t maintain it.
I knew an ultra smart, nerdy friend from college who dropped out because he was so depressed from not getting any sex. His ability to produce was disrupted because of the growing disparity in today’s the sexual marketplace. This country’s feminist values is not nurturing guys like him who are capable of creating a warp drive that could send us to Mars. Instead Hollywood is make-believing that Carrie Moss is leading a group of astronauts to Mars. Instead of putting money down to take us there to make more money like Bush wanted, Obama is slashing NASA’s budget and putting it towards propping up the welfare state.
There is a whole generation of men like my friend who are falling by the wayside, whose genius are being eliminated from the gene pool in favor of cads whose contribution is siring offspring that are more attractive to women. Sure, that Cad can kick that beta’s nerdy ass. But, that Nerd is capable of inventing a phaser rifle that will incinerate the cad before he has a chance to even touch the nerd.
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Excellent Post, Carry On ……… waiting for few more exciting posts
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“I. Shame/demonize/medicalize the male sex drive. Condone/laud/glorify the female sex drive.
II. Shame the male sex drive. Shame the female sex drive.
III. Glorify the male sex drive. Shame the female sex drive.
IV. Glorify the male sex drive. Glorify the female sex drive.”
It’s interesting to see the discrepancy in the ways that you described I versus II-IV. It really gives your bias’ away! You would have earned credibility if you had just consistently used Shame and Glorify.
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Previous anonymous, did it ever occur to you that ‘shame’ and ‘glorify’ were used instead of ‘shame/demonize/medicalize’ and ‘condone/laud/glorify’ in the other points simply because that kept it more readable once the ways of shaming and glorification had already been detailed in the first point?
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Chris Rock on marriage: “If you like pussy …”
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Jolly well written!!!!!… As a woman, l agree with the general outlook of the writer, with one difference: unlike him, l believe humanity is still set in number II, as it´s been since the middle-ages… Who is more demonized for having an affair??? Usually, but not always, it’s women… l feel really sorry not only for Woods, but her mistresses were treated like the SCUM of the Earth for having slept with him, were labeled homewreckers (has anyone ever heard about a male homewrecker???) had to run away from the press, and even faced the threat of physical violence, something Woods himself never had to face… Make no mistake, this is not cheap feminism, it is not even feminism, the medicalization of maleness will lead to the medicalization of femaleness eventually. The problem is that, since femaleness was always medicalized to a certain extent, many of them are so stupid they don´t even notice!!! One of the most tragic signs about this whole situation is since women have been treated really unfairly, (killed, even stoned to death for having affairs!!!!) they are getting out of the monogamy trap, while males, that always considered their Godgiven right to have something on the side, begin to fall into it. One of the most stupid assumptions of this culture is that monogamy will stop the war of the sexes. Quite on the contrary, it puts a limit on love, and keeps one gender as a wathdog of the other..With it as the basis of marriage, both sexes lose either way. KUDOS to the writer!!!! STOP THE GENDER WARS!!!!
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The greatest tiger woods discussion I have come across this year. thanks and keep up the excellent writing.
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I’d totally agree, except that Woods happened to have been married to one of the most spectacularly beautiful women in the world (hence her former profession) and had affairs with women who resembled her in some ways but could not possibly hold a candle to her beauty, and who certainly could not share the level of intimacy Woods certainly should have had with his wife.
I’m not questioning that he had a high sex drive. I’m questioning your assumption that his wife couldn’t satisfy that drive on her own if Woods had no mental problems. I look at him, her, and his mistresses, and I just don’t buy it.
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