A reader (name withheld) sent me a field report of his experience with a girl who continued playing the field while dating him.
Women love to think they are one of a kind, not predictable, and far too complex for labels. Well they are predictable. In fact this makes a great neg.
I believe men put greater weight in someone’s words than women. It is a sign of character and respect for a man to look someone in the eyes, shake hands and hold to his word. I have never observed a woman bragging about keeping her word or standing on the principle of something she has said. Women are wordsmiths. This of course is an Achilles heel when dealing with women. Strip away the words though and the message is surprisingly clear.
Case in point, my last fling. Part of her ‘routine’ is a sweet country girl with old fashioned morals. *Snark* I met her buying her furniture. She was selling everything she owned to move in with her boyfriend 5 states away. A little teasing, a few texts and a phone call got her to meet for a glass of wine. Two dates later the move was off and I was on.
Her relationship history was an instant red flag but she was a little hottie. She had her game down and knew what spin to feed guys. She walked the walk too, at least for the first month or so. I ended up making a few notes to keep my head straight. This ended up turning into a relatively sophisticated relationship analysis tool. I paced the relationship, graded along several lines, listed red flags and kept an ongoing synopsis and commentary on her. Most importantly I only considered her actions.
At times I would open my file on her and not really like what I saw. This usually happened after a good F* . But I’d reread all the supporting details and I was back on Earth, eyes open. I suspected she had Low Self Esteem and I have been down this road. Little details solidified this after only a few weeks. I knew it wouldn’t last.
Sure enough a couple of S* Tests surfaced. I suspected they involved affirmation from other eligible guys. After icing her for a couple of days, she wanted to meet and “talk”, mid-day. I preempted her little talk with the precious words “I think we are thinking the same thing”. This totally rattled her. Guys don’t break up with her! I told her I could tell she wasn’t taking herself off the market yet expected me to. This was the story my “analysis” told me. Of course I was completely way off base, nothing of the sort was true, how dare I have her figured out! hmmff.
Sure enough it later came out she did have a date with some guy the same week as the [shit test]. Years ago I would have been blindsided and confused. I doubt I would have put it all together beforehand. I probably would have given credit to her improvised rationalizations when the reality was a plain as the C stains on last weeks sheets. I didn’t do everything perfect. I went off on her when she revealed what she was up to. I should have just snickered and ask her for her Truffle recipe. But I did see it coming. I was bummed for about 6 hrs till I went to sleep. It was fun while it lasted. The next morning though I had a perma-grin knowing I pegged her in more ways than one.
Message to my brothers: Understand you’ll probably flounder in the emotional soup that pervades female cognition. You likely give too much weight to her words so turn them off. Her actions say it all. Hone in on them and you may even be able to predict her next slutty thought.
PS. Wish I’d have read your Ex-girlfriend how-to. I would love to have set the table for a rebound.
I like the idea of keeping a mental checklist of a woman’s red flags. In fact, I would go one step further and jot down in a small notebook all the red flags as they appear. This serves two purposes. One, as the reader above wrote, it keeps your head on straight and out of the clouds. Continual reminders of women’s bestial natures is the raw alchemical agent for long-lasting, healthy relationships, should you choose to go that route. Obviously, red flag number one was her decision to dump a man she was about to move in with for a man she met in a furniture store.
Two, keeping a red flag journal (RFJ) will illuminate with crystal clarity where you need to make adjustments on the fly to keep the sex coming, or where you went wrong if the relationship ended in a breakup. It’s a truism that jotting thoughts down in writing will have much more impact on your thinking processes and subsequent actions than storing those observations in your memory bank. A red flag journal will give a man tremendous leverage in any dating scenario, as it will strip away any beta rationalizations he may be tempted to wallow in, and it will also serve as a learning tool for future girls. Because as we all know by now, most women are pretty much alike in their natures, save for the adorable embroidery.
“I think we are thinking the same thing.” I liked this response from the reader as a preemptive action, but he would have been better off following up without mentioning that he knows she’s not taking herself off the market. That is a subtle demonstration of lower value on his part. He is tacitly implying that he’s not good enough to keep her off the market. Instead, he should have simply accused her of wanting to keep *him* off the market. That would have been adequate to cause her to veer wildly off her breakup script and into a defensive crouch where gina tingles are born.
Anyone else notice how girls will attempt to schedule breakup talks at midday? Well, at least those girls who aren’t breaking up through email or the silent treatment. (A majority of women, for reasons probably having to do with the female proclivity for that most milquetoasty of values known as “closure”, prefer to do their breaking up face to face.) If a girl ever says she wants to meet for a “talk” at a midday hour, my advice to you: Don’t respond at all. Don’t give her the satisfaction. A non-response also paves the way for continued sex as her breakup initiation sequence will be forced on indefinite hold. As I’ve written before, it’s all about hand. He/she who holds hand, dictates the direction and pacing of the relationship. And we’d all rather be the dictators than the dictated.
If there’s one lesson men should take from my blog, it’s this: Scrutinize what she does, not what she says. This one lesson, above all others, will never fail you. It will serve you well until your last days. As far as generalizations go, this one is about as rock solid as an established scientific theory. An amusing irony of life is that, despite women being blessed with a generally greater verbal faciliity than men, their words falling from their lips are gossamer lightweight and amorphously empty, devoid of intention and brimming with obfuscation and misdirection. Refuse to dance on her spinner’s web and the power is all yours. And chicks dig power.
I’ll probably take some shit for this…but another thing to add along with a RFJ is, when in a serious LTR, snoop on her text and emails occasionally…when you have the chance.
If you are in a serious relationship with someone, if they are implying that you should forsake other pussy and take yourself off of the market, then its not really an invasion of privacy.
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Great post. These daily reminders are so important, because they keep our eye on the ball. The minute you lose focus, the tables can turn dramatically. Good observation about women never talking about being a “person of their word”–something really important to most men.
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Absolutely agree.
It’s a maxim that’s generally true when dealing with human primal nature on ANY topic. For example, one thing I picked up in my fight training is that during the “attack ritual” you completely blank out the would-be attacker’s words and concentrate on his actions.
They can be asking the time, offering to be your best mate, or threatening to come round your house with the homies and dynamite to blow you the fuck up.
But all that really matters is are they attempting to line you up and invade your space (danger) or backing off (posturing).
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OK…seriously Roissy, who hurt you? I can tell, you’ve been hurt!
LOL.
Come on…a “feelings journal”? Are you f-ing serious?
Please, please, please try to rationalize how keeping a journal about your GF is anything but borderline omega!
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Damnnnn homey! This was on point. Sometimes I think you’re a little over the top, but this ish was on point.
So what would you consider the most typical/common red flags? The one I’m most leery of is:
“I don’t play games.”
Another red flag is when a jawn tells me her last boyfriend cheated on her. Time to either run away as fast as possible or treat her as a jumpoff. imho.
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@Rod
“a “person of their word”–something really important to most men.”
COME ON…what world do you live in? Are you from Nebraska or something? Most guys, myself includeded, don’t stay up at night worrying about being “a person of their word”
Being a person of your word is a beta trap.
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On a second read, it sounds like the guy kind of got his panties in a bunch for no reason:
–What made him think she wanted him to take himself off of the market?
–Why wasn’t he seeing other girls?
It sounds like he got a case of one-itis and probably got clingy. Thats all that happened here.
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Good, great, as usual, as far as it goes.
But what are we envisioning here? A big file cabinet full of dossiers on girls? Can I DO that?
FUCKING AWESOME!!!1!
But seriously.
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Or you could just reduce it down into some of my father’s abbreviated wisdom…”Women are liars and men are devious.”
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Obviously if you start writing stuff down about the girls you’re seeing, you need to put careful thought into securing it. I do agree that keeping a written history helps remind you of things that your memory may eventually forget or gloss over.
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You mean it’s acceptable to not do so? I’ve had it drummed into my head that failure to do so face to face is immature and cruel. I would 100% prefer to use email or silent treatment, and if the men would too, Hallelujah.
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Here… this is what I think, at the moment…
http://rdanielle.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/feminism.jpg?w=320&h=400
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Speaking of coincidence, i always put little weight on what guys told me, i rather focused on how he acted or behaved, works perfect.
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Great post.
“Scrutinize what she does, not what she says. This one lesson, above all others, will never fail you. It will serve you well until your last days.”
So true.
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“I think we are thinking the same thing” is great.
Don’t miss the opportunity to analyze girls’ words, too. Knowing her patterns can be useful. Girls lie in different ways, but each girl’s lies tend to be consistent with her own personal lying style. Learning those clues can give you advance warning if something’s up.
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biktopia
Which country are you from?
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Yes. Forget what she says, the proof of the pudding is in her givin’ up the hot nasty butt-sex she won’t do with her husband or steady boyfriend!
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Interest post. I do feel that it is important for females to put little weight on what a man says. Often times, I feel like I took their words too seriously which resulted in unnecessary damage. It’s the same in reverse though, I find that I’ll say one thing but act another way. I guess it’s human nature?
I must say though, the whole idea of a RFJ seems kinda weak. Now I’m going to think that every guy is analyzing my every move. Then again, I’m probably doing the same.
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I’ve needed to write down the red flags myself, at times. Keeping a head on straight when dealing with passions should not be easy. If it’s easy, there isn’t much passion.
It does take time to learn that girls manipulate. The pattern seems to be that the more experience in dealing with women, the more you see them as inherently manipulative. How does that old saying go? “Women are amorphously empty, devoid of intention and brimming with obfuscation and misdirection.”
It’s not what they say, it’s what they do. And even then, don’t take things at face value. It’s not what they say, and it’s not what they do. It’s what they want.
Fickle creatures, devoid of conscience, damned if you love them, and damned if you don’t. Women are the arsenic that cures the syphilis of loneliness.
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My only question is; Who on earth do you think is disagreeing with you?
Paying attention to what people do and not what they say is rock solid advice not just in sexual relationships but in _all_relationships, from family to friends to work to politics.
I haven’t based my behavior and/or plans on what people say for well over 10 years (what can I say, it took me a while to figure things out). I do pay attention to what they say, but it’s only a data point, and one less important than other information.
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it’s because woman want to see the damage they’ve wrought. they want confirmation that they matter and that you’re affected by her actions. most men, on the other hand would rather just slip away an avoid these kinds of confrontations when they’re the ones doing the dumping.
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””””’Women are the arsenic that cures the syphilis of loneliness.
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dam
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@xpslat … well said.
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“most men, on the other hand would rather just slip away an avoid these kinds of confrontations when they’re the ones doing the dumping.”
Yes, being a full time traveller is a convenient lifestyle.
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Im half hungarian and half serbian, born and raised in Sweden, but lived in Hungary for the ten last years. Bit complicated 🙂
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oops, i meant xsplat.
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biktopia,
Your English is impressive.
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…I doubt it.
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well thank you! But i do have limitations, im not a linguistical person, wish i could explain better sometimes, ah well,,
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Roissy, would like to see you address the issue of honesty, fidelity, and expectations in greater depth.
Several themes have emerged in your posts that are consistent (and align themselves with my own experiences):
Women are dishonest
Women will cheat
Women are all the same
And yet, you write about (and we instinctively search for) women of higher quality, worthy of commitment, which contradicts our observations above.
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this post was even better than reading LR explaining her worldview to white nationalists
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The medium IS the message.
I hate the term ‘Mixed Signals/Messages’. More often than not there’s nothing ‘Mixed’ being communicated and rather it’s a failure (willful or not) to read what a woman is communicating. The average guy tends to ‘get’ exactly what a woman has implied with her words, but it takes practice to read her behavior and then more practice in self-control to apply it to his own. When a girl goes from hot to cold and back again, This IS the message – she’s got buyers regret, you’re not her first priority, she’s deliberating between you and what she perceives is a better prospect, you were better looking when she was drunk, etc. – the message isn’t the ‘what ifs’, the message IS her own hesitation and how her behavior manifests it. 10 dates before sex? This IS the message. Canceling dates? This IS the message.
Women with high IL wont confuse you. When a woman wants to fuck she’ll find a way to fuck. If she’s fluctuating between being into you and then not, put her away for a while and spin other plates. If she sorts it out for herself and pursues you, then you are still playing in your frame and you maintain the value of your attention to her. It’s when you patiently wile away your time wondering what the magic formula is that’ll bring her around that you lean over into her frame. You need her more than she needs you and she will dictate the terms of her attention.
What most guys think are ‘mixed messages’ or confusing behavior coming from a woman is simply due to their inability (for whatever reason) to make an accurate interpretation of why she’s behaving in such a manner. Usually this boils down to a guy getting so wrapped up in a girl that he’d rather make concessions for this behavior than see it for what it really is. In other words, it’s far easier to call it ‘mixed messages’ or fall back on the old chestnut of how fickle and random women are, when in fact it’s simply a rationale to keep themselves on the hook, so to speak, because they lack any real, viable, options with other women in their lives. A woman that has a high IL in a guy has no need (and less motivation) to engage in behaviors that would compromise her status with him. Women of all ILs will si!t test, and men will pass or fail accordingly, but a test is more easily recognizable.
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the supposed value of a journal is that it pares away your subjective emotions and allows you to see the pattern in her actions. but you have to be able to identify the red flags and other signals in that same non-emotional state. otherwise the risk is you’d be recording the symptoms of your one-itis, or happy fling, or whatever.
i’d be interested in roissy’s and others’ ideas of what those red flags and related signals might be. maybe a topic for a future post. i have my ideas but thought i’d throw that out as a possible topic for the wisdom of the board.
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OK, Roissy,Rollo,Xsplat help me out with this one. I recently met an old acquaintance while at a gas station while filling up. She’s divorced, older than me, rich, tall and thin.She’d probably be rated a 6 or 7 by most. She spotted me at the pump and came over to say hello. We hugged; a friendly hug. I forget who initiated the hug. We hail from the same hometown. She was the campus director of a computer school I attended (big waste of time and money) and was discreetly flirty while I was there. Sexy clothes,fancy hairstyles, probing demeanor.(When I passed my first certification exam she asked smilingly if I was going to celebrate, tossing her head back gigglingly as she emphasized the word “celebrate.”) I was friendly but never responded to her flirtatiousness in any overtly sexual way. At the station I asked if I could use her as a reference on my resume. She has since switched jobs and went to her car to give me her new business card with email and business phone. She was curious as to where I live (I live near the station, so does she). I suggested we have coffee some time and she became a little flaky. I asked if I could have her number (meaning home #) and she hurriedly headed back to her car pointing to her business card indicating to use the number there. A few days later I forwarded her a humorous email about our old hometown I received from a family member back home. She has never responded. It’s been a couple of weeks.How do you guys read all of this? Is it worth pursuing? If so,in what exact way? My intention is to f*ck her when I have nothing better to do and she’s up to it herself. A casual lay here and there.Nothing more nothing less.
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Forgot a couple of details. Though outwardly a very classy lady;several degrees, lives in a million $ mansion, has trveled across Europe etc., two details are incongruent with her upper-class exterior. She smokes;at school we used to chat outside while having a cigarette.And I once espied a small butterfly tatoo on the back of her shoulder partially covered by a bra strap.She was wearing a sleeveless summer dress with strapped shoulders at the time.
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I got a question about last minute resistance. What are you suppose to do/respond when a girls said.
“I am not that type of girl.” (In front of her room/making out and shit.)
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… or where you went wrong if the relationship ended in a breakup.
That’s pretty much where it went wrong. Getting into a relationship with her in the first place. If a woman cheats on her BF with you there’s no way in hell she should be considered anything but a fuck.
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The King
“I know”
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No one is losing any sleep about being “a person of their word,” but it is true that men generally feel much more comfortable dealing with men in day to day life. Like I always tell people, with your average man, you can trust his word and know that what he’s saying is generally what he means. There aren’t nearly as many head games or feminine flightiness involved…there’s no need. Men are much more able to be themselves, especially when dealing with other men.
Will also second that you should (covertly) keep tabs on anyone you’re in an exclusive relationship with. You’re putting yourself so much on the line, it’s only right that you take some time to investigate whether the other person is doing the same. Just don’t get caught, and if you do, who gives a fuck. She’ll be mad but will stick around anyway.
There have been several times when I’ve jotted down an on-the-fly RFJ, mostly to get things straight and do some true evaluations. It’s helped me can girls in the past, once it even led me to realize I didn’t really give a fuck about her stupid idiosyncrasies. None of us are mind readers, and barring some ability to link annoying, although minor, yellow flags to some deeper personal flaws, it’s served me well to just ignore them if they truly won’t affect you.
Every man should have a well-defined list of deal-breakers, though.
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+1
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So what do you guys think of greg ogdens pictures?
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@haha
Thanks dude.
Diaboli shut up faggot.
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I’ve been thinking about these red flags thing and keeping tabs.
What have I done? Until she left for South America (bye for 6 months, helloooo porn!), I reguarly checked her phone. I’ve discovered her password, and can now access her
facebook
hotmail
phone accounts (i can see whom she called and to whom she sent messages when for the last year).
How do you assess whether your girl is being unfaithful or not? In spirit or action? Are the two the same? are we all faithful in spirit? Should you dump her immediately if she’s not?
my girl (ahaha… the whole point is I don’t know if she really is mine!) repeatedly received messages of professed love from her ex, whom I know she still loves, but she never replied to his texts or letters. She sent him a harmless email wishing merry christmas saying she thought of him, but lied to me, saying she sent nothing.
“Hola loco.
Feliz Navidad!! Que tengas una buena noche con tu familia. Me acuerdo mucho de la navidad que tuvimos juntos y la felicidad que me daste. Tu familia siempre ha sido muy hospitalaria y simpatica conmigo, y les estoy agredecida por esto.
Ahora estoy en Uganda con mis padres, mis hermanas y mi abuela. Ahora vamos a tomar una copa de champán y cenar mucha comida buena…como me gusta!!
Pienso en ti loco.
Un besito ”
I was suspicious, but what can I say?
She had photos of her ex in her planner, saying she’d never gotten around to removing them. That pissed me off.
She was dating another guy when I met her, casually (I know she had no feelings for him, it was just sex), and after a few weeks, tried to end it with him, and I know guys hit on her ALL the time.
No indication of infidelity in any of the records, except this weird behavior as regards her ex.
What can I do?
As of now, I’m basically planning on screwing around.
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good call on not listening to womens’ words. ive found that women are prolific welchers on bets.
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A majority of women, for reasons probably having to do with the female proclivity for that most milquetoasty of values known as “closure”, prefer to do their breaking up face to face.
The ones that have broken up with me have most often done so via phone call or – in one case – via a letter from out of state, no doubt for reasons having to do with that most female of values known as “moral cowardice”.
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The guy is slow. I knew what kind of woman she was after their initial meeting. What kind of sweet traditional girl moves in with a man she is not at the very least engaged too? Especially one that lives 5 states away? And what kind of women would even give her phone number to a man when she is already planning on moving cross country to be with another man?
It shouldn’t have taken anywhere near long enough to come up with a checklist to figure out what kind of woman he had on his hands.
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Article from Lori Gottlieb from The Atlantic, encouraging single women to settle. Of interest to at least a few readers here, I’m sure…
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/single-marry
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As a general rule, presently within the United States relationships with women are not worthwhile.
I recommend a “sell” for Western EU, Aussie and American born and raised girls, and “hold” for quality (7.5 and up) Eastern EU and South American, and “buy” Korean girls or other strong patriarchal Asian ethnic groups that are a 6 or higher.
Exceptions do exist. (About 9 in 1000 or 1 in 1010 for American girls.) And are worth pursuit, provided you have either an endgame {genetic legacy factory} or an exit strategy in situ, before hand.
I have have a woman parked in a permanent holding pattern. I have her understanding that I am currently not exclusive to her. She understands that if she is ever unfaithful to me, I will cease all contact with her.
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Read the article by Gottlieb. All I can say is … ick.
Imagine the man who would marry a woman who got artificially inseminated because she couldn’t find any man who was good enuf, so she settled for a stranger’s sperm.
I can’t imagine that man. At least if the kid was by a known father paying child support, that kid wouldn’t be the new husband’s financial responsibility.
Also note that Ms. Gottlieb not once mentioned anything a husband might be able to do on account of his maleness, like protect her and her child from physical harm, do the heavy chores, fix the car, fix the house, etc. I guess the men in her world have no male skills, or, she just doesn’t need any or is just unaware of just how useful the right male can be.
Ms. Gottlieb lives in a very artificial and protective environment, very different, from say, Haiti or Detroit or a farm in the midwest, and even then being a single mother sucks. It really illustrates why women want child support, and why they are all against mandatory paternity testing.
But, at least it helps to remind young men why they should never marry. Imagine getting a Ms. Gottlieb or other like minded wife. Ick.
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Gentlemen, please remember, that just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
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The_King:
“I’m not that type of guy.”
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It does seem like putting more weight on actions, not words, is something to do with *everyone*.
So about this guy being slow to pick up what type of girl he was dealing with… I am kinda wondering if:
He saw the red flags late, despite keeping a journal, **because his ego as a “new improved Alpha” clouded his thinking.**
Guys who learn pick-up arts later in life seem to overblow the power of their “Game” sometimes. They misconnect the dots between their actions and reactions sometimes.
A girl leaving her boyfriend of 5 months to be with you, the second coming of Roissy? Of course… when you have Game *that* powerful, even an innocent good girl can’t resist right?
A girl you knew in the past, coming to say hi to you, giving off IOIs… but not giving up her personal number or responding to your e-mail? Doesn’t sound like she’s interested, sorry (unless you left out major, major parts of the story @Ovid… sounds like she’s just really good at networking).
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“I recommend a “sell” for Western EU, Aussie and American born and raised girls, and “hold” for quality (7.5 and up) Eastern EU and South American, and “buy” Korean girls or other strong patriarchal Asian ethnic groups that are a 6 or higher.”
Not sure where all the love for Eastern European women comes from around here. The four EE/Slavic women I’ve dealt with (two from Romania, 2 from western Russia) were each batshit crazy, two-faced super-psychopaths whose manipulativeness and talent for lying would have made Machiavelli proud. Two of these women were simply the very best liars I’ve ever encountered – completely smooth, believable, natural, calm, etc – they could’ve said the sky was pink and you’d be tempted to look up and double check. They probably could have passed a polygraph with ease (not that doing that is a real challenge, but still). They were also cold, calculating, ruthless bitches under their (rather thick) veneer of civility and sincerity.
I don’t know if i got a particularly bad batch or what, but I’d rather deal with American chicks any day over more horribly behaved, evil women like these.
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Eastern Eu. girls tend to be insane, agreed.
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@ Matt
“Hola loco.
Feliz Navidad!! Que tengas una buena noche con tu familia. Me acuerdo mucho de la navidad que tuvimos juntos y la felicidad que me daste. Tu familia siempre ha sido muy hospitalaria y simpatica conmigo, y les estoy agredecida por esto.
Ahora estoy en Uganda con mis padres, mis hermanas y mi abuela. Ahora vamos a tomar una copa de champán y cenar mucha comida buena…como me gusta!!
Pienso en ti loco.
Un besito ”
This means nothing. Don’t sweat it. Especially if she’s nowhere near him.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1246592/I-said-I-hated-women-slept-married-men–did-I-mistress.html
Single career cougar commits adultery with married alpha who makes her gina tingle.
Quotes:
“I’ve always seen myself as quite righteous and moral, and in nearly 25 years of dating, I’ve never cheated on anyone and have always tried to be honest and respectful in relationships.
In fact, I’ve been quite puritanical about the whole fidelity issue – thinking men who cheat the nastiest of creatures and women who go with them morally bankrupt.
….
I had truly forgotten what it was like to meet someone you felt you could fall in love with.
And then I clapped eyes on Mark, someone who literally took my breath away – and all my principles flew out of the window.
Finally, I was feeling that excitement, that exhilaration, that feeling we are all looking for.
…
He took my number and I really, really wanted him to call me. I know how this reads, but I want to be honest: I didn’t think twice about his wife. That still shocks me.
I didn’t feel guilt; I just felt excitement – I’d just done something naughty and decadent, which was very unusual for me.
I thought I’d feel bad the next day. That reality would hit and I’d be aghast and ashamed of my actions. But no. I was reeling a bit from doing something out of character, but I didn’t regret it. I felt instantly smitten.”
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I love the way Gottlieb complains about the “power dynamic” being unfavorable to women in their late 30s / early 40s who have to “settle”, but says nothing about the “power dynamic” that favors younger women. At least Gottlieb recognizes that a woman in her late 30s who “settles” doesn’t have much choice because any man who accepts her is “settling” for a less-attractive and fertile female.
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Completely off-topic, but I had a request for info and felt that this blog was the best place to get a fair answer, due to the fine gentlemen who frequent this place.
My father is an old school liberal with whom I have crossed swords over the years. But he is unique in that his two most passionate issues are his being anti-immigration and lately, becoming more and more incensed about the Jewish influence on foreign policy. He is livid that American boys are dying in order to protect Jewish interests in the Middle East. He is further incensed about the various layers of “approval” that all news stories from the M.E. are vetted with before they are reported by the MSM.
This is a recent thing for him. He is not too internet savvy and has only recently begun googling articles. But he is getting REALLY REALLY PISSED OFF. I mean, like SRSLY. I don’t want him to start shooting up places, and I don’t want him to get sucked into some of the more fringe groups. I am aware of many of the issues involving Jewish influence, but only tangentially (primarily to get Seeking Alpha pissed off), but I would like to find a REPUTABLE one-stop all-shop website where he could find more information.
I do not want a Stormfront or AMren kind of place. While he is anti-immigration, he is not PURELY white-nationalist, as he married a Colombian. I don’t think the Kevin MacDonald stuff would gel with him because KM deals with the evolutionary nature of Jewish tribalism and that’s a little too philosophical for him.
I’m just trying to find some reputable place that deals with the Jewish influence on government and foreign policy and the media. I remember that guy Scotch Fiend used to post here, but I can’t find him.
Any suggetions from you guys would be welcome.
(No Whiskey, you are not allowed to reply to this)
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well, it’s sexist but it’s the truth (to a degree)
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tupac try these:
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/index.html
http://zsidozas.wordpress.com/
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And these:
http://scotchfiend.blogspot.com/
http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/
Why the fuck am I being moderated,Roissy?
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“Scrutinize what she does, not what she says.”
Shouldn’t this maxim be applied to all relationships, not just those with females?
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omarion,
I’m interested in hearing more details with the East European chicks that you found were bad. I’d like to know more about your experience. I’m currently after two of them and one in particular has caught my attention but I’m just not sure how much I should invest in it.
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pac:
toq online is perhaps the most “reputable”, but you will have to sift through plenty of philosophy and miscellany.
my favorite anti-jew blog is ‘age of treason’ by tanstaafl; he doesn’t post all that often, but should give your pops plenty of fodder. of course, you are never further than a couple of clicks removed from the exterminationists, but eh, what are you gonna do?
i’m also drawing a blank on the scotch fiend pen name.
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Omarion,
you likely acted like a beta. Russian women want a real man and it helps to get irrationally angry with them periodically and call them to task in a gruff way for not meeting your standards. Think Stanley Kowalski in Streetcar Named Desire. Most EE women think American men are pussies after a while and start to game them like AW will but don’t understand the subtle limitations involved. I think Eastern European women are great.
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My current LTR is Romanian. She seems fairly stable and normal. But then again, she’s constantly swapping texts with some dude in Romanian. She’s not a long-term option so this doesn’t worry me, and when she accidently sent one to me it was platonic sounding.
But, you know, women being women – this one is on notice.
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Japanese scientific evidence for the “hitting the wall” effect at 35:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1246576/You-CAN-old-overnight.html
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””””’He is livid that American boys are dying in order to protect Jewish interests in the Middle East. ””””’
Got to look at the good side though a lot of average people are making some good loot working there and getting ahead of the game. The bad side is all the iraqis and afganis getting killed. The other bad side is all the foreigners from other countries seeing how the us army works up close so they can take that knowledge back to there own countries and be debriefed on current military doctrine.
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@le coq
“Scrutinize what she does, not what she says.”
Shouldn’t this maxim be applied to all relationships, not just those with females?
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Especially for women. What they say usually does not tally with what they do. Then again, such behavior is hardly surprising from these amoral ‘children of a larger growth’.
Men who get fixated on what a woman says will often be disappointed by her corresponding action(or non-action). It can be something as simple as her promising to buy some item for you. Don’t count on her to keep her word.
Over at the MGTOW forums someone had mentioned a maxim similar (maybe even better compared) to Roissy’s:
‘Observe what she does, ignore what she says’.
Instead of simply ‘not scrutinizing’ what she says, you wholly IGNORE any verbal diarrhea that comes out of her mouth. It includes nagging and shaming. It is highly amusing to get these natural born attention whores riled up by starving them of the fuel they need most – attention.
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Catullus said it two thousand years back in Carmen 70:
Nulli se dicit mulier mea nubere malle
quam mihi, non si se Iuppiter ipse petat.
dicit: sed mulier cupido quod dicit amanti,
in vento et rapida scribere oportet aqua.
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@Omarion,
“I don’t know if i got a particularly bad batch or what, but I’d rather deal with American chicks any day over more horribly behaved, evil women like these.”
It helps, immensely, if you feed them less meat, and beat them more often. A firm hand goes a very long way.
Also, they would be the last to call the police on you, if you have done your job and kept them quarantined from Feminist American Psychopathic oriented nonsense.
As for being bat-shit crazy, what you have there isn’t an Eastern European issue, but more like the intrinsic problem of the female mind. But they are brutal like the wolf.
You absolutely have to be a pack leader with these women, or you will be eaten alive like a cockier spaniel. If you are the Alpha, they will kill anyone for you, willingly and beg for your approval in doing so. Not that killing is necessary, or even desired.
This goes for you too, JerkDogg
But there is nothing romantic or erotic about having to come downstairs, and kill a damn mouse, because your American broad has absolutely fucking come unhinged.
EE woman would kill it without a thought, and feed it to a cat or dog. And you would never no it happened, unless she elected to share the event.
Also in addition to CZ ladies, Bulgarian girls are becoming very stunning indeed.
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Damnit, I forgot to log in before posting. That last one was mine.
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alpha beta analysis on obamas schooling and the SOTU?
His “wasnt me ” response to getting spanked in 3 elections and in the polls = is this alpha or uber beta?
professor roissy, weigh in?
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moreso for women than men, but talk is cheap. always judge/measure/rate someone’s reliablity by behavior, not words. this is especially true for women who will rationalize an affair, an infidelity, a change in want/desire on a whim/impulse.
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I concur with le coq.
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A mid 20-something female who just read this post — and who, by the way, generally agrees with Roissy’s observations about women — said to me: “If I was ever going out with a guy and I found a ‘red flag journal’ I would be like, ‘Oh my god, what a girl!”
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Women’s faithfulness/morality/word/etc. is only as strong as their ‘gina tingles.
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hahahaha.. Let me see.. Is begging for a mediocre BJ her definition of normal? or maybe it is getting alimony and child support from suckers?
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Tiger Woods’ Sex Fantasies ‘Not Normal’: Loredana Jolie
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/28/tiger-woods-sex-fantasies_n_440131.html
Tiger Woods’ sex fantasies are “not normal,” according to the Playboy model who claims to have slept with the golfer. Loredana Jolie told the New York Post that Tiger “would engage in sex from 9 p.m. until the sun came up the next morning.”
She also says Tiger “likes role-playing, he likes to be the guy in control and wearing a suit while there are girls performing girl-on-girl and guys entertaining guys.”
..If he is indeed at the Pine Grove clinic, Woods would be forced to adhere to strict rules about sex and masturbation, and he would have to tell his wife Elin about all of his affairs. Elin Nordegren reportedly visited him at the facility, and another bit of gossip placed her at Brett Favre’s house during the visit..
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a young Roissy?
http://www.thehighdefinite.com/2010/01/disregard-females/
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@JerkDogg
I married a Russian going on year six. I have have yet to meet a women who is saner than she is. It depends on the individual, but she did not have the same brain washing and generally heard good things about American men. It seems that I have lived up to that reputation.
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I notice that some people are surprised that, in serious relationships, men are considered sissies for keeping a journal. Coyness in females developed as a defensive measure to protect a resource. In the old days, a man could just split. These days, with paternity suits and marriage, men have just as much at stake. They need to game women the way women would game men. I keep hearing stories of men who let one slip past the goalie and they gotta pay for 18 years.
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To Tupac Chopra, Ovid, Roissy and all other Conscious Brothers…
You want to seek out and seperate the real truths from the falsehoods of the ‘pretty lies’ that this society repeatedly tells us?
You then can begin your journey here:
http://americandeception.com/index.php?page=home
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Keeping a journal of her red flags isn’t a bad idea if you are searching for an LTR, but is much easier to be alert to slut signals and act accordingly.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/its-easy-to-identify-a-slut/
Specially with short term flings, sounds like too much work to keep track of everything on written form for chicks that you are just using as side show cum-receptacles.
But maybe that’s me.
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Tupac — I’m replying anyway.
You ought to send your father to Brussels Journal, run by Catholic Belgian lawyer Paul Belien (not a Jew) or Gates of Vienna (run by a husband and wife team of Protestants, also not Jews).
They can direct your Father to the cases of Jihad directed at obscure Danish cartoonists (attacked by axe wielding Somali jihadi), the Arkansas Jihadi killing a soldier, the Fort Hood Massacre, various European killings.
You could also tell him that more people are killed by Narco-trafficantes every year in Mexico than US Servicemen killed in Iraq 2003-2009 (8K a year vs. 6K, roughly).
Tell him he’s either stupid or nuts — Israel, Jews, and so on are a minor side issue. Muslims are falling apart (polygamy) so must conquer the infidel (to get his women) or destroy themselves in fights over women. Its as simple as that. Thats why a Somali man traveled all the way to Denmark to behead a 77 year old Cartoonist (Kurt Westergaard) who is not a Jew.
When I was in China in the 1990’s Muslims were blowing themselves up in XianXing Province (and still are). No Jews there let me assure you.
Wait … Your Father is not … Mel GIBSON IS HE?
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keeping a journal is so beta .. very beta in fact. Quit obsessing over any particular chick. They come they go. Pure Zen is the ability to not want to hold on to anything.
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Letting someone else define your gender roles for you is weak. Letting a woman tell you what is acceptable behaviour is weaker.
It is in a womans best interest to tame you. Women have an unconscious but strong desire to make men weak. Taking advice from a woman about how to behave towards women is like taking advice from a tiger about how to capture it.
Women give bad advice to men the same way they spread false gossip. Because they can, and because “friends” with weak alliances will more likely be free to make alliances with you. It’s in the interest of women to fuck up all the alliances around her, and to make men unstable and weak. Off balance and craving for advice on how to behave “like a man”.
Don’t fall for it.
Some things women don’t want you to know:
1) Being dominant not only turns them on, but calms them down and let’s them feel safe and taken care of.
2) At times being roughly physically dominant is called for, and will have extremely positive effects.
3) Emotion can be expressed with great intensity, especially during sex. Sometimes you can even let tears stream out. Scream your head off. As well as slap her or pull her hair. There are times for full and free expression, and you lose no demerit points for showing emotion. Being Dr. Spock is for cowards – being confident to be dominant with ALL your emotions will bond you to your girl. You don’t go to the movies just for comedies, do you? So to women like all the emotions to be toyed with – comedy, drama, thriller, porn, horror, tear jerker. If your background and base is solid and in balance, spice and emotion are good. Great. You need to reach the highlights, regularly. Highlights so high the world is glowing with first day freshness.
4) Women like to be emotionally manipulated and toyed with and teased.
5) You have to always be on guard for the woman getting the upper hand, and never let it happen. Don’t let her throw moods around and thus puppet you into keeping her emotionally stable. Don’t let her make snide comments about you. Don’t let her intentionally provoke jealousy or freak out with insane jealousy. And on and on you have to be on top of her to not let her make you her little emotional slave.
6) Mastering another requires mastery of oneself. Writing things down is essential. Write letters to others, write a blog, keep a journal – anything. Keep your head on straight.
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Women have a secret agenda to deny to men not only the right, but the ABILITY to have emotions.
They want to invalidate us. Make our needs invisible and trivial. As if a real soldier exists only to serve the greater good. To suck it up like a man. To get with the program.
To serve HER.
Get it? Women invalidate men’s emotions so that only HER emotions are valid.
Don’t get sucked into that vortex of menstruation. Douche it out of your lives. Own your inner femininity proudly. Master it and use it.
You want to pain paintings like Hitler? Cold and emotionless, but technically good? Or do you want to paint pictuers like an artist? Your emotional life is a canvas. Paint like an artist.
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Another reason writing is tactical, is that it helps to see the big picture.
You know the saying – be careful what you want, because you might get it. Do you really want to go the way of Roosh, and lose so much sensitivity as to become incapable of the gentler feelings? Is that the man you want to make yourself into?
Do you really want to become like Tucker Max, and gain no more pleasure from bringing a woman to full bodied orgasm than by using her as a hole to jack off into?
Every action changes what we will want to choose as our next action. Habits create who we are, and what we want to chose. Writing things down helps us plan who we become.
There is a grave risk men don’t talk about enough. The risk of getting what we think we want. Don’t do that.
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Supermodels then and now:
http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/supermodels-then-and-now-they-just-dont-age/
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these ones are also pretty good. check out Clooney and Depp!
http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/celebrities-then-and-now/
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Tupac
One problem with your question is that it seems to assume that any influence exerted by Israel in the US must be a problem. That, imho, is a half cooked notion.
Of course the Israelis want to be heard in Washington and have US policy support their interests. Every other country over there has the same intention. It is just what governments do.
Are American interests being harmed by its support of Israel? That is quite a large subject for this comment thread to grapple with. Let me just say that it all comes down to how one sees the true nature of the Islamic Middle East. How compatible is Islam with the Western way of life of which the state of Israel is a part? Was it ever really possible for Israel to peace-fully find its place in existence in that neighborhood?
A related question is whether Islam can come into the West and ever settle peacefully among us. The evidence is pilling up and it looks grim. If they try to deny the right of (for example) the Netherlands the right to exist (which they in effect have) as a non-Islamic state then how would you advise the Israelis to get along with them?
If you are looking for optimism and happy thoughts about this, you have come to the wrong shop.
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Cannon, thanks for the tips.
Rum:
A related question is whether Islam can come into the West and ever settle peacefully among us. The evidence is pilling up and it looks grim.
No argument here. My old man is opposed to current immigration policy.
Whiskey:
Wait … Your Father is not … Mel GIBSON IS HE?
No, but he has always been a hot-head as well.
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BTW Cannon, I found Scotch Fiend’s blog:
http://scotchfiend.blogspot.com/
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unlearing discriminating intelligence
This misrepresentation of zen is common. Take it to the next level of that logic then. Quit obsessing over whether you are obsessing or not. Pure Zen is the ability to not need to not hold on to anything.
Agreed, to find mental balance, at first you need to train in equanimity. But Zen is not about staring at a blank white wall in a state of readyness and without needs. The ox-herding pictures culminate not with Samadhi, but with returning to the world. Becoming of the world. Engaged.
You can own your emotions, live them, embody them. A fear of being under the sway of emotions is not Zen. It’s just another fear.
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Also, unlearning, don’t forget that Zen is Mahayana Buddhism. It isn’t about the extinction of karma. In fact Zen teaches that the extinction of karma is not possible, nor desired. Mahayana Buddhism is all about remaining engaged, for the sake of others. In non-Buddhist terms you could say that Zen is about being a whole, full person, not trapped solely in this or that habit, but neither without habits. It’s about broadening out awareness, and not running on auto pilot.
IT IS NOT ABOUT DR SPOCK.
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IT IS NOT ABOUT DR SPOCK.
Mr. Spock. Dr. Spock is the baby guy.
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@xsplat,
Why do you have a strong need to appear wise? Why does someone as enlightened and worldly as you need to outintellectuallyAMOG a random internet stranger?
Let go grasshopper .. let go ..
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xsplat,
People do not go over to the dark side because they like it. It is maltreatment, anger, fear and pain that drive people to the dark side.
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@xsplat,
Throwing around big eastern words like it is nobody’s business .. .. are you a published scholar in buddhist studies? .. didn’t think so .. you are just another moron regurgitating memes swallowed from some pop-spirituality paperback ..karma, what karma .. dude, nobody is keeping an account of stuff people do. Religious nonsense to keep minds enslaved. even if it is eastern, bullshit is still bullshit.
When are you going to come out with an original thought? Most of your thoughts on game just mirror the PUA BS or some evo-psych study done on 200 undergrads somewhere. Maybe you have even read Buss or pinker or Gould. dude, i have american friends in indo .. bro, you do not need game to get women in indo .. In a situation like this, you can do no wrong .. most of your observations are next to useless … Why don’t you play in the big leagues and then talk?
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Unlearning, you talked about what is pure Zen. You brought the subject up.
I corrected your stupidity.
That’s what happens on blogs where you participate. You get corrected.
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-George Orwell
While its pretty accurate, it lacks the ultimate truth:
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a woman’s high heeled pump stamping on a man’s face— forever.”
This is the idealized world the Feminist’s wish to make.
The truth is that a woman’s power over a man, only lasts, as long as he is willing to listen to her.
Young females are often extremely traumatized and confused when this reality about their power over others is thrown in their faces.
A rapist attacking them is the epitome of this fear. Its the rogue male no longer listening to them, while acting on his own initiative & against their will. A rebel, and outlaw.
You see, women are physically weak. Any cries for assistance, are directed at other males to come stop this “out of control” male. Its why males are the primary gender for the role of soldier, and policeman.
They need men to protect them. All the claims of men being useful as a bicycle to a fish, get pushed aside. In a New York second. Ask Kitty Genovese, if she needed a bicycle.
She cried out for help, and 38 people who heard her cries, did nothing; eventually her attacker returned, raped her and then finished her off. While one man turned his radio’s volume up, to drown out her cries.
If power is an aphrodisiac, then ceasing to listen to them is a cold bucket of ice water. No rape or murder required.
The problem with the Feminist is the following:
She and a whole lot of other female sociopaths are running around are in the grips of extreme narcissism.
The havoc that these people wreck upon society, simply demonstrates that they lack any empathy, compassion or sense of guilt. (especially outside of their gender)
They simply feel no guilt or remorse over the most horrendous of acts they commit. The only thing that hurts them is striping them of their power.
I say, stop listening, but play along like you are. Just don’t surrender your power, Men.
Don’t be beta, man up or sit to pee, like a bitch.
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@krauserpua
I’m Romanian and live in Bucharest. Romanian girls are indeed insane, especially the ones from Moldova (NE Romania, poor region with more traditional values). They will fuck you over on the the first sign of being beta…it’s all very dramatic for them. They are often depressed and melancholic.
And big drunks that can easily out-drink you.
But they are the most fierce and passionate girls in bed and it’s 100% worth it.
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@xsplat,
“I corrected your stupidity. That’s what happens on blogs where you participate. You get corrected.”
look in the mirror and correct your own delusions of grandeur first .. oh little league guy
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Unlearning, any personality defects I have have no bearing on the fact that you are wrong. What league I’m playing in or how easy my life is in Indonesia has no bearing on the validity of my comments on how wrong you are.
Bandying about words like “pure Zen” is bound to get you called out for the ignoramus you are proud to be.
This whole idea of not caring if you lose a girl is not only not original, it is inhuman and inhumane. It betrays either a psychopathic inability to feel or an autistic inability to know what your feelings are.
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@xsplat,
“This whole idea of not caring if you lose a girl is not only not original, it is inhuman and inhumane. It betrays either a psychopathic inability to feel or an autistic inability to know what your feelings are.”
I meant do not care as in .. somebody being replaceable .. it will hurt a bit, yes i know that .. but I can move on .. dude this is common sense. The zen reference in my original post was meant to imply an aloof knowledgeable state. It is quite obvious from the context.
Your location on the autism spectrum certainly contributes to you jumping on this bit to show off your supposed erudition.
I mentioned indo … It has a bearing because people might listen to you with curious eyes in indo.. giving you a undeserved confidence about your abilities and knowledge. Let me tell you that your calibration is way off.
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..If he is indeed at the Pine Grove clinic, Woods would be forced to adhere to strict rules about sex and masturbation, and he would have to tell his wife Elin about all of his affairs. Elin Nordegren reportedly visited him at the facility, and another bit of gossip placed her at Brett Favre’s house during the visit..
In addition to having no permission to masturbate as per sex therapy clinic policy, Elin has also said she and Tiger will continue their marriage as friends only. Now whose fantasies are not normal? LOL
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“Let me tell you that your calibration is way off.”
Oh, so you you’ve been eying me?
Ha ha.
Dude – what are you trying to do – depedestal me? You think I’m sitting on a pedestal that needs to be pulled out from under me?
I have a fair notion of what I am. I’m neither narcissistic nor suffering from low self esteem. Living in a place where girls are easier does not make a person self assess incorrectly. It makes him self assess based on the circumstances. There is nothing wrong with my ability to self assess or to assess others. I lived half my life in the west, after all.
And you talk as if you can’t have real wisdom and insights about girls if you get some of them while living as a westerner in asia. My confidence is deserved, and I’m getting exactly what i deserve. I need not rely merely on my self assessment for confidence. I can rely on the assessment of many women, the one beside me right now included. One twenty two year old Pakistani 10 (yes, 10, not 9.5, or 9.2, 10) told me that I had the ability to charm the pants of of any girl. She cried and howled in the airport (as did I) when she left the country and left me. She howled incosolably for weeks. My 2nd girl in another city is still pining for me, and was uncosollable to the point of ill health for nearly 6 months. The assessments from dozens of girls, in several countries have been made known to me. Why do they keep pining for me? Why the months and years of thinking of me?
Hmm. Must be because I’m a westerner in Indonesia? No, wait, some of those girls were in the west. Must be because my calibration is off?
You are so gay to try to calibrate me. Eyeing me up, are you?
Yes, I took offense at your using the word “pure Zen”. I find that the term should not be used loosely. I have a lot of respect for the term. I also have been making several posts on this blog, over the years, proclaiming that the whole notion of not caring and treating women as interchangeable leads to a diminishment of life satisfaction. It’s a serious problem people get themselves into. It’s a grave error of judgement and life strategy, on par with a girl choosing to slut away her youth.
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@xsplat,
“You are so gay to try to calibrate me. Eyeing me up, are you?”
where did you get that? So if i remember reading your posts that means i must be eyeing you up and fantasizing about you?
This is exactly the kind of over-generalizing logic that is characteristic of your posts. yes, i do read them and have a general idea of who you are … yes some posts are interesting ..no ..i do not masturbate to them. sorry to disappoint. There are other people that are regulars and i know a bit about them as well. Does that mean i am eyeing them? moron …
Cool it with the alpha anecdotes chief. This is quite normal for some guys. Why do you feel like you have to flex?
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Maybe I should have used an emoticon. I don’t actually think you are gay. I was toying with you. See, there’s the problem with text only communication – it’s so easy to get off track. I missed your point about “pure zen”, and took that at face value as well.
And regarding flexing or not flexing, cool it yourself with the policeing. If you notice in my thoughts ideas that you’ve heard elsewhere, great. From my own mis-calibrated view, it seems I articulate things that are often not well articulated, and occasionally that have never been articulated. My self assessment is that i put together ideas in a big picture that in a way that is useful and uncommon. If my style irks you and comes across as self important, then fine – it’s a character flaw you’ll have to live with, if you care to read my writing. Call it a stylistic mannerism. It’s honest and honestly come by.
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But you keep trying to sidetrack me from the original point of contention, with character attacks. First you say I think too highly of myself. I made the mistake of even answering that, by showing you that I think exactly right about myself – I actually am all that and deserve all the arrogance that I display. After falling into that trap you counter with that I’m flexing and showing off. Uh huh. So I both think too highly of myself, and I’m showing off, at the same time.
Whatever.
You got me. Distracted me.
The point is, you are an idiot destined for low life satisfaction if you lead a life that lessens your ability to love and bond with women.
The big picture, and my gift of superior wisdom that I bestow upon you (you’re welcome), is that girls are not interchangeable. That it is not Zen to be detached.
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Why am I always on comment moderation? What did I do?
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Kulak, thanks for the link. Looks like an interesting site. I owe you one,friend.
Now, are Xsplat,Roissy or Rollo going to respond to my post and offer up any advice, or what? Isn’t this blog all about doing stuff like that?
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”””””whiskey
Tupac — I’m replying anyway.
You ought to send your father to Brussels Journal, run by Catholic Belgian lawyer Paul Belien (not a Jew) or Gates of Vienna (run by a husband and wife team of Protestants, also not Jews).
They can direct your Father to the cases of Jihad directed at obscure Danish cartoonists (attacked by axe wielding Somali jihadi), the Arkansas Jihadi killing a soldier, the Fort Hood Massacre, various European killings.
”””””””
Yea but they strike out at the right people. So people know not to fuck with them. American men too pussy to kill the right people afecting them. Why feminist are still alive after years of sowing evil. America still killed more iraqis than the muslims have killed. So yea globally not getting fucked with for american men but being enslaved en mass at home. Muslims have it better than you don’t be jealous.
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Majority of muslim men can work hard and get some nice fresh pussy to marry. You know what you can’t do don’t hate appreciate.
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I think it’s way too ‘over-think’ to write in journals. To me it indicates a low ability to filter naturally. A moderate amount of emotional intelligence should have either party able to discern issues/red flags without having to track them. Writing things down can make things look worse than they are too. Are you also writing down all the positives? So easy to ignore the benefits if you’re concentrating on the negs. Just sayin…
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A moderate amount of emotional intelligence should have either party able to discern issues/red flags without having to track them.
Well, Aoeffe, that comment would lead me to think that you have not dated very many super-hot women of questionable character, and that you don’t have overpowering levels of testosterone in your bloodstream.
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So the sum total of this field report is: Actions speak louder than words.
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Ovid, I have nothing useful to offer regarding your situation. You met someone and want to get her to bed. If words worked as magic incantations that made girls horny, I’d be studying that sorcerers book. My experience is that most communication is non-verbal, and it’s all in the delivery. Some people can work with txt and internet flirting, but I’m not the guy to talk to about that kind of thing. For me there is no reality without non-verbal communication – it’s all fairy tales and make believe if you can’t smell it.
And my other experiences lead me to believe that confidence is built up step by step through positive experiences. Guys with little experience can gain it by starting small – with cougars, for instance. And that social skills are earned through lots of embarassing and heartbreaking trial and error. The tips on this blog that resonate most with me and that I find most useful are about social dominance and the joys of playful teasing. So, I don’t have any quick fix advice for particular situations that would not sound trite or banal. Like, go for it and make a move, have fun, play to your strengths. Useless and completely unhelpful. That’s why I didn’t respond.
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Roissy had mentioned a while back that letting a girl see a vase of flowers at the guy’s apartment is a good idea- get her thinking. What is the opinion of telling a girlfriend, fuck buddy. etc…that another girl planted a flower at your place of work? Any thoughts ?
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Real Alphas don’t need “game” (only the minimal social skills to look good, be bold and make eye contact)… just act like an asshole, get the questionable-morals hotty’s ‘gina tingling, then go “Bend over, baby, here comes Christmas! and get ‘er done! (Who cares if she’s digusted or upset later… women are only good for one thing and you’ve already gotten it.)
Or, as Andrew Dice Clay put it: “Unngh! Get out.”
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I think xsplat was dropping some serious knowledge in this thread, personally.
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“Muslims have it better than you don’t be jealous.”
If you believe this, you know nothing about how these people live.
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@xplat “Well, Aoeffe, that comment would lead me to think that you have not dated very many super-hot women of questionable character, and that you don’t have overpowering levels of testosterone in your bloodstream.”
Crap – you’re right. 🙂
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JB said: ” ‘Muslims have it better than you don’t be jealous.’ If you believe this, you know nothing about how these people live.”
JB is right. Muslims don’t have it better. Anything fun is “haram” (forbidden), can’t deal with their women without burqahs, purdah and beatings, and rich douchebags hog all the women (four to a customer) so that the remaining 75% percent of guys are so bitter they’re stuck jerking-off or blowing themselves up for those 72 virgins that jihad sounds like a lot more fun. Better? My ass.
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And people who haven’t lived in these so called paternalistic muslim societies don’t realize that they aren’t paternalistic at all. Muslims are mommas boys. The women have all the power.
The women run the show, from within the household that they are restricted to.
Here in Muslim predominant Indonesia it would be shocking to most westerners how deeply beta most guys are. They are so hopeless that many have turned to gay sex as their only hope. The guys are not even gay, but pretend to be gay, just to get some. How beta is that?
Muslims live in a very striated society where most men have very little hope. Men will openly tell you that at the age of 24 they aren’t even thinking of dating yet because they don’t have enough money or business success to attract a woman.
The thing I do appreciate though is the kindness and sensitivity men openly share in the Muslim world. It’s very strange, at first. Guys are VERY friendly to each other.
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Of course I’m talking about Asian Muslims. SE Asia and S Asia are heavily Matriarchal societies. By now it must be partly genetic. They have the same group-think mentality women share, and the men have less testosterone traits than whites, who have less than blacks.
Arab muslims I have no experience with, but my guess would be that the notion of an oppressed sex is a myth, and that women would have found there balance of power in Arab societies as well. I’d bet cash money women run things in Arab households.
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xsplat says: “Here in Muslim predominant Indonesia it would be shocking to most westerners how deeply beta most guys are. They are so hopeless that many have turned to gay sex as their only hope. The guys are not even gay, but pretend to be gay, just to get some. How beta is that?”
Yup. They don’t call it “Man-Love Thursday” (the day before holy Friday when everyone’s praying five times a day) for nothing.
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Well yea xsplat the key is for the guy to go work oversees and come back and get married after saving money. Works pretty good for the ones I see.
A society that puts value on saving and buying things cash.
The ones who make it make it.
Then they also just shoot people who do the big wrong shit so you don’t ever have to worry about rotting in prison. Nice feature too for my mind. I’d rather be dead than a slave.
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And from Ass-Crack-istan…
“Afghan Men Struggle With Sexual Identity, Study Finds,”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/28/afghan-men-struggle-sexual-identity-study-finds/
Says the article: The U.S. army medic also told members of the research unit that she and her colleagues had to explain to a local man how to get his wife pregnant. The report said: “When it was explained to him what was necessary, he reacted with disgust and asked, ‘How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.'”
Ain’t makin’ this up, folks.
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Yea haha they don’t know how to even have kids they are so uneducated and dumb. haha
Americans know how to pimp 12 year olds in skimpy outfits on the media and they are so enlightened. Even a 4 year old on a feminist site jacking off is something cute.
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“… the relative difference between partners’ levels of attractiveness appeared to be most important in predicting marital behavior, such that both spouses behaved more positively in relationships in which wives were more attractive than their husbands, but they behaved more negatively in relationships in which husbands were more attractive than their wives.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/strange_relationship_advice.html
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I’d love you to do a post that dissects WHY WOMEN OBJECT TO MEN BEING ANALYTICAL, or “Over-analytical” (same thing). You could stretch this into two posts, in fact. One on the psychological mechanisms driving this common objection, and another post on your prescriptions for how to dodge this bullet. Bonus: a couple strategies for responding to “you’re being too analytical.”
Analytical is the antithesis of impulsive, and women want you to bumble around and accidentally do everything right without having a fucking clue what you’re doing. They don’t want you to do everything right deliberately. That’s why puas scare them.
You’re the man–keep it going!
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Re: The Weekly Standard.
“Roissy singled out one of his regular female commenters, a 28-year-old former bar dancer who calls herself LR and who on her MySpace page posted photos of herself in derriere- and tattoo-revealing attire alongside a photo of the 6-year-old son she bore out of wedlock to an alcoholic ne’er-do-well”
Yeah, they didn’t need to put it in there, but I think they pretty much made her out to be what she is.
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We as a society already cram silver nitrate into newborn infants’ eyes because we assume the mother has a venereal disease, what’s a little blood test to insure the next 18 years are paid for by the correct party?
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re. the eastern european women (affirming what has been posted already):
a good balance between traditional and modern: traditional notions regarding feminine and masculine and family; well adapted to modern life and activities. typically far better educated than your American girl. happy news for geeks is that quite a lot of the attractive ones are subject matter compatible and will make for suitable intellectual companionship, but leave the geek/beta *behavioral* patterns behind (see warning below:)
they want “men”, have a complete mental map of what is a “man” (alpha – not a jerk/asshole, but a Man).
plus side is that they are quite happy to let “men be men”, and you have a very solid foundation regarding what they are looking for in a mate and expecting from suitors,
and this needs to be repeated as the consequences of not heeding this is *merciless* behavior on her part: ** do NOT exhibit beta behavior as a suitor/lover/partner **.
healthy approach to sex due to soviet background, with few hangups. if you are her man, you will be well rewarded.
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a journal is not a bad idea during the transition period from hopelessly clueless to functional man. but if you are doing that, also keep a journal of your own red flags of beta-hood! (the latter is probably healthier, as the focus is you and your self improvement.) think training wheels, in terms of scope and function.
judge by action, not words: solid, eternal advice, regardless of the social context.
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