the wall [thuh wawl] -noun: 1. a large, immovable monolith of frightening and awesome power capable of threshing egos and rending souls, serving as a metaphorical stoppage point at the intersection between a woman’s declining sexual attractiveness and her advancing years, beyond which female sexual desirability disappears into the misty void.
FuturePundit has a post up highlighting a scientific study which concludes, most depressingly, that by age 30 only 12% of a woman’s eggs remain.
Tom Kelsey, a Senior Research Fellow at the School of Computer Science at St Andrews, said, “Previous models have looked at the decline in ovarian reserve, but not at the dynamics of ovarian reserve from conception onwards. Our model shows that for 95% of women, by the age of 30 years, only 12% of their maximum ovarian reserve is present, and by the age of 40 years only 3% remains.
This is a surprise even to me. I knew there was a significant dropoff in female fertility by age 30, but I didn’t know it was this precipitous. I find this news depressing, because female fertility and sexual attractiveness closely parallel; allowing for a few lag years for the outer shell to catch up to the inner biology, the number of viable eggs a woman has remaining directly correlates with the number of years she has left as a highly coveted product on the sexual market. That is, when a woman has a full basket of eggs she is at her most beautiful. When she has dwindled to 50% eggs left, she is desireable to only half the men she was capable of attracting for short and, particularly, long term relationships when she was at her beauty prime. And when she is down to 3% eggs at age 40, she can only attract 3% of the men she used to attract for long term investment when she was peaking at, typically, age 20. And what’s worse, those 3% of men are the leftover omega dregs with no other options whom she turned down when she was a hotter commodity.
Personally, as a man who has no desire to have kids, the number of remaining eggs a woman has left is of no concern to me other than as an abstract matter. But a woman’s beauty is of paramount concern to me, and as such it would happen that, through the use of my infallible divining boner rod, my very selective screening procedures against women showing signs of physical decay would necessitate that I avoid dating women with less than 50% eggs in their basket. So far, this is how it has worked out, and I’ve mostly game and a devilish smile to thank for that.
This saddens me. Why? I will explain. Anything, any uncontrollable force, that strips beauty from the world is my enemy. How much grander and pleasurable life if women stayed beautiful for 100 years instead of a precious 15 years? How much love would my heart shout at the world if the pool of beautiful women was every woman, everywhere, forevermore, and not just a small sliver of women with power so fleeting it may as well be a curse than a blessing? Imagine this world, and tell me then how you keep the demons of hate from lashing impudently and futilely against the natural order of things. I say fuck the natural order. Bring on the life and beauty extending tamperings of human ingenuity. Get off your knees, you limp-noodled gaiaists and blithely stoic servants of religion, you philosophical naifs and self-deluded sophists. Turn the tables and bring your evolutionary inheritance to its knees, if you dare.
More evidence for the wall comes from a Japanese study showing that there is a real “tipping point” in aging, or a “hitting the wall” effect, where a woman’s natural biological ability to rejuvenate herself and stay toe to toe with the ravages of aging slips into freefall at age 35, much younger than previously thought.
‘While some measurements showed a gradual decline, cheek volume – one of the key factors in a youthful appearance – can drop off suddenly, by as much as 35 per cent in a year,’ he says.
Naturally, there are some women whose stress-inducing lives of stripping, smoking, slutting, and single motherhood age them much faster than their actual years. These are truly tragic cases, for they have thrown away their most precious asset for instant gratification.
In other news, the new HBO documentary “Youth Knows No Pain” was pretty good. A number of the women interviewed were boldly honest about their declining sexual attractiveness, and the reasons for why they went under the knife to “get a little work done”. One woman even noted that when her friends told her there are plenty of women who look good for their age, like Sophia Loren, she responded that Sophia Loren is just one woman out of millions who “don’t look so good when they get older”. Found: A woman with a grasp of basic statistical concepts. Alert the media!
Most of the women in the documentary looked like alien-eyed stretchy gumbo toys, but a couple did actually look pretty good, at least ten years younger than their ages. At some point, the science is going to have to dispense with the scalpel and start rejuvenating under the hood, fixing the problem at its source using stem cells or some other form of cellular manipulation. I can’t wait for matrix-like abortion mills to be constructed to help my harem stay young and sexy for as long as possible.

“At some point, the science is going to have to dispense with the scalpel and start rejuvenating under the hood, fixing the problem at its source using stem cells or some other form of cellular manipulation…to help my harem stay young and sexy for as long as possible”
Except it will never happen if alphas monopolize all of the attractive women in harems. Unless beta males have an incentive to do productive work and invest in society and thereby have a reasonable shot at access to women, there won’t be any one around to do the science necessary to produce eternal youth.
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I wonder how long a strict paleo diet and powerlaw exercise regime would drag out female beauty. It is pretty obvious that it can keep men more or less young at least into their 70s.
Still, so much of a woman’s beauty is in the face. It seems unreasonably to hope that could last past 40, under the best of circumstances. Lets go stem cells!
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I can’t wait for matrix-like abortion mills to be constructed to help my harem stay young and sexy for as long as possible.
Embryonic stem cells are going to be unnecessary as full mastery of reprogramming cells is achieved. Eventually humans will escape the shackles of biology altogether. Biological bodies are fragile and easily degradable sacks of shit with severe limitations in their ability to survive even relatively minor physical, chemical and biological assaults. Although biological nervous systems allow for much plasticity, nerve cells are doomed to remain painfully slow compared to electronics let alone photonics. Their size cannot be reduced much because of their requiring to maintain the usual cellular metabolism.
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“I can’t wait for matrix-like abortion mills to be constructed to help my harem stay young and sexy for as long as possible.”
Actually, they don’t really use stem cells from aborted pregnancies any more. They are able to produce better quality stem cells from normal cells in labs these days. Science has just kept this quiet because the knee-jerk reaction to the term “stem cells” has become “abortion murder Jesus evil”.
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Science has just kept this quiet because the knee-jerk reaction to the term “stem cells” has become “abortion murder Jesus evil”.
Explain. Seems to me creating stem cells from normal cells, say, a blood donation, would be just the sort of development pro-lifers would welcome with open arms and, hence, just the sort of game-changing conflict-avoiding tech ‘Science’ would, if they had any PR brain cells, want to brag about.
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I think you’re way off in trying to directly corrolate – on a one to one basis- the attractiveness to remaining fertility curves.
In general, yes, men are bio-programmed to find the indicia of fertility to be attractive. But it is not nearly as directly proportioned as you indicate.
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Amen. The Singularity can’t get here fast enough.
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“nerve cells are doomed to remain painfully slow compared to electronics let alone photonics.”
Markku, we still have no hope of a clue to find out what the substrate of awareness is. We can do signalling and computation, but we have no idea even where to start when it comes to creating a device with a subjective experience.
It seems that many people aren’t able to grasp just how hard the hard problem of duality is. People confuse computation with subjectivity. In practical terms we may have to integrate biology with our other computational systems. I’d bet on that rather than full replacement.
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On the one hand I´m doing a full Nelson Haw Hah on the rapidly deteriorating bitches, and on the other hand I´m playing the worlds smallest violin for you so-called alpha harem “studs”.
More like harem slaves, IMO.
Guess there´s a problem, when your only raison d´ètre is fucking tha hottest bitches.
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A funny thing is happening to my old lady. A couple years ago, I noticed that her looks were starting to vary more by the day. Her looks weren’t as consistent as they were when she was younger. She started to have more off days, it seemed. But surprisingly, she also started to have more radiant days, days when she was prettier than ever. Her younger sister just visited us and noticed the same thing.
She is very natural (she doesn’t use make-up or put chemicals in her hair) and very healthy (doesn’t drink or smoke, lots of exercise, healthy diet, plenty of rest every night), so I can’t blame the variation on her habits from one day to the next.
How is it that as she ages, she actually has days in which she looks better than when she was 22?
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As a young man bedding older, more experienced women was a joy. Nearing 40, women half my age are reaping the advantage of that early start. 20 years in, I’m looking forward to another 20 years of high-end variety.
Just as there is no replacement for a financially and socially successful man, there is no scientific marvel thus far to equal the first-run potential of a woman’s physical attractiveness.
Some walls can’t be climbed, avoided, or deconstructed.
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Backdoor man,
It is most likely an illlusion. She seems prettiertahn ever on those “on-days” due to a couple of “off-days” that she had the two days prior.
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Unless beta males have an incentive to do productive work and invest in society and thereby have a reasonable shot at access to women, there won’t be any one around to do the science necessary to produce eternal youth.
American capitalism and the desire to make money. Not everything a man does is designed to impress women.
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She doesn’t. It’s that just your mind has been clouded by the extreme form of “oneitis” that marriage can sometimes infect a man with.
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Would you say that women who are in their early 30’s and HAVE NOT had children tend to be better looking than those who have had kids? This is my experience, the early 30 cat ladies that I have dated/pumped tend to be MUCH more attractive than those single mothers in the same age spot.
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@Danger,
It could be an illusion, but I’m not so sure. I met her when she was 23, and she is 38 now. That’s plenty of time to deteriorate, and indeed, she has in some ways. But I’m often surprised at how good she does look. And I have photos, of course, to compare her then and now. Maybe it’s an internal state, a happiness that she radiates and is reflected in her skin. When I lived in South America (and where I met my old lady), I was often drawn to mothers pushing around their baby strollers….they just looked so complete and happy that they looked better than other women….they had an energy, a calmness that made them prettier. Incidentally, the missus and I don’t have any children, which I also think has kept her looking fresh.
I work with lots of women in their early and mid-20s, and I’ve seen their lifestyles do serious damage to their skin and their bodies. My old lady looks better than most of them.
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naif… havent heard that one yet. nice.
peri-26 the female psyche makes a veer no doubt. the 12% at 30 is damn near alarmist, they’ve less time than even they thought.
in light of this evidence, the barely legal age should be dropped to 16.
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I agree with your general conclusion: women are most attractive during the period in their lives when they’re most fertile. But I doubt it’s the linear type relationship that you describe in the following:
If you go to the original article, it actually reads as if a women has a full basket of eggs starting in her infancy. Obviously, there’s the need for further development and a host of biological signals before she starts sending those eggs, one by one, down the fallopian slip-n-slide. …But it’s precisely these biological markers starting at puberty (e.g., widening of the hips, breast development) and not the full basket of eggs per se that tell a man she’s ready (and attractive). Having the eggs is one element. But having the physical means to carry that embryo to term is equally or even more important. This, to me, is why a women in her late teens or early twenties is typically at her most attractive. While a woman this age has got a less-than-full basket of eggs (having given some up during early teenage menstruation) she’s now got the greatest physical wherewithal to give the fertilized egg a warm cozy place to call home.
A girl who is pre-pubescent is not nearly as attractive as a woman in the late teen or early 20’ish–even though the early tween has got a fuller basket of eggs.
For the fellow-statistics geeks here, I’d wager that feminine sexual attractiveness by age follows a sort of Weibull distribution with a >1 shape parameter. It rises sharply in the teen years, peaks in her twenties, and trails off less steeply as she gets older. At some point in her thirties, a woman’s attractiveness is low enough and hits the threshold that we call “the wall”. –Though a few Sofia Lorens spice-up the world (giving more than a couple of women false hopes) and provide the Weibull curve with a bit longer tail on the right. Funny coincidence: this Weibull curve is exactly the distribution used to describe the aging process and useful life of industrial parts! /Geek rant off.
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Depressing, but true. Damn you for reminding us all of the inevitable aesthetic decay of any woman. Can we not live with irrational optimism and the belief that having selected for natural thinness, and a well preserved mother maybe THIS one will age into one of those 40 something MILFs i’d bang without hesitation?
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greeeaaat. Genetics determine the individual outcome of each woman but this is still not a cup of sunshine for my Monday reading pleasure.
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triin: For starters, the “scientific study” you link to is bullshit. Models of ovarian dynamics are as reliable as models of climate dynamics.
OK. What the fuck? Do you seriously believe modeling the decline of eggs is as difficult as modeling the weather? For starters, I will bet my left nut that the number of eggs has a downward trend over the lifetime of a woman.
triin Until the hypotheses that arise from the models are validated by experimental data, they’re pure speculation, not Science.
Let’s quote the St Andrews University news report: “The study, using data from women in the UK, US and Europe, models the establishment and decline of the number of eggs in the ovary to its peak at about twenty weeks after conception, and its subsequent decline until menopause when no eggs are left usually around 50-51 years.”
So there are your experimental data. I haven’t read the study, but models tend to be constructed from, and validated against, experimental data.
triin: So, you jump from an hypothesis [sic] about human biology, to a pseudo-theory of how the number of eggs correlates to attractiveness. That reasoning is as solid as the one of a creationist.
Pseudo-theory? Both the number of eggs and attractiveness have a strong negative correlation with age; it would be a miracle if they didn’t have a positive correlation with each other (I’ll bet my right nut that this is indeed the case). Certainly, this is no causation, but so what?
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There is hope for men!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/01/clint-eastwoods-three-pre_n_444299.html
Clint Eastwood grinned ear-to-ear at the London premiere of “Invictus” Sunday night with three lovely ladies on his arms, wife Dina, their daughter Morgan, 13, and his daughter Francesca, 16, by a previous relationship. It’s hard to believe but Eastwood turns 80 in May.
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“At some point, the science is going to have to dispense with the scalpel and start rejuvenating under the hood, fixing the problem at its source using stem cells or some other form of cellular manipulation”
Very true. Surgery basically is just a “streching-back” of the sides of the face to pull sagging skin back “tight”. The underlying loss of facial muscle and thinning out of the skin with ageing is the reason that its sagging in the first place. This is why many women who have had facelifts “just dont look right”. You can’t put your finger on it, but you know something is wrong. Collagen-injections in the lips often look horrible because so many women overdo it. Less is more. They should aim for the limp plumpness they once had in their later 20’s, if even that much.
I read that Nancy Pelosi “would frown if she could” because she was so mad about one bill or another’s defeat in the senate. That about describes the phenomenon of older women getting too much scalpel.
Age-related tip Ive read recently: UN-Denatured whey protein extended the life of hamsters in a University of Nebraska experiment by 60%. Resveratrol, NAC, and a little whey might be in order in one’s diet. Cold-water fish (salmon and sardines) and olive oil are the most anti-inflammatory foods (by a big margin) that exist in nature. One might consider eating them 2-3 times a week. A bit of vinegar before partaking in a high-glycemic-index meal seems to help the body to resist the expected spike also. One of those kosher pickles before a sandwich really might make sense……… Im not trying to live forever or anything, but I want to feel good and be healthy when Im old. I do not want to be a sickly-always-achy-old man. I hope to be healthy and feelin’ good right up until its my check-out-time.
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Note that the number of eggs a human female has peaks at about 20 weeks after conception. Got that? 20 weeks after conception…
Even those men here who prefer “younger women” don’t like them *that* young.
The idea that the number of eggs she has is directly related to a woman’s sexual attractiveness is thus clearly bogus. It’s the hormonal cocktail of puberty that makes a woman fertile that is responsible for making her sexually attractive as well.
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Clint is a worthwhile inspiration to us all, in so many ways.
I’m no scientist, and the study seems a bit alarmist, but I suspect it’s broadly true. And it explains so much.
That said, there are exceptions …. some very nice ones, in both the (deeply interrelated) fertility and looks departments.
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In men, fertility drops very gradually after your late 50s. Heck, even a 80 year old guy often has enough viable sperm to have kids the old fashioned way. With drugs for ED, and a better lifestyle he can actually do that..
Women often require “assistance” in having kids after 40.
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Just check out any dating site:
age 19-29…lots of hot chicks, stupid and hot, perfect
age 30-39….muppet show, baggage, weathered looking
40+…delete…
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Life Extension Foundation. Read about Intermittent Fasting and Calorie Restriction.
Women, being the superficial animals they are, always look for a superficial solution. Lotions. Creams. Potions. Magic!
As a man, I look towards science – and work from the inside out. This means an anti-inflammatory, slightly calorie restricted diet rich in berries, vegetables, and protein. In addition, there are many health-enhancing supplements like resveratrol that fight aging.
Also, every man over 35 should consider HGH and testosterone – called “HRT” or hormone-replacement therapy.
In general, aging should be viewed as a sickness to be fought rather than as a “natural” process. Once you view aging as an illness, you’ll find many practical solutions to aging’s problems.
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alias clio: “[T]he number of eggs a human female has peaks at about 20 weeks after conception… [Therefore] [t]he idea that the number of eggs she has is directly related to a woman’s sexual attractiveness is thus clearly bogus.”
Wrong. You are confusing directly related with sole cause. As you basically concede with the last two words of your post.
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Umm… you guys keep chasing after the young things who have no brain and don’t know what they are doing. Leaves more for me.
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I sometimes like a bit of stuff that’s over 30.
They’re economical and good for the psyche. What with their dried-up raisins, you can blast dozens of loads rawdog.
Thus, saving money on condoms.
I gots bills
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S’all I have to say:
The movie is called mail order wife. Lichi = FemX at heart
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“The idea that the number of eggs she has is directly related to a woman’s sexual attractiveness is thus clearly bogus”
The femtards strike again with their stupid comments.
All men would rather fuck a 20-year-old woman than 40-year-old woman. Sure, there are some young guys fucking older women . That’s due to the betazation of the American male.
Young men fuck cougars for the same reason young men fuck fat chicks – it’s easy. In a strong America, cougars would not exist, since fucking an older woman would be beneath the dignity of a virile young man. Instead, American is populated with estrogen-laden, WOW-playing bitches. Thus, cougars exist.
That said, if 20-year-old women put their pussies on platters the way cougars do, cougars would get no fucking.
A 20-year-old woman has more eggs than a 40-year-old woman. You could fill in a chart directly correlating female attractiveness with her number of eggs. A 21-year-old woman has more eggs than a 39-year-old woman. The 21-year old is also more sexually desirable. Etc.
Simple stuff, if you’re not in denial.
Aging is a disease. Fortunately, it’s not a fair disease. As a man, I’ll be get much ass even in my 40s. I’ll have aged much better than women, due to my superior nutritive and drug-use strategy. All I’ll need to do is color my hair.
If you’re a woman in her 30s, find a man – now. If that means “settling,” then settle. Because you’re staring down a fucking cliff.
If you’re a woman in her 40s, awaken from your denial, grow old with dignity. If you don’t have children, start playing Bridge – which will at least prevent you from suffering from Alzheimer’s.
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cool vid femi.
I always wondered what LSB and lilgrl sounded like.
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..tsk tsk, always such a cynic, and really why be when there’s still hope for the likes of Danielle Staub?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/29/real.housewife.virgin.ppl/index.html
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@Backdoor man…
Did you ever think it’s possible this is related to the length of time since you last had sex with her? I say this partly with teasing and partly with truth. That is, perhaps your own hormones affect how you perceive her. Day after sex: meh! Two days later: move out of the way; I can’t see the t.v. Three days later: hey babe, slide over here a little closer!
When I was younger, I recall living in different foreign countries populated with not-so-attractive local women. Over time, even these fuglies started looking good. …Yet if these women were back home where they had some better competition, I wouldn’t have given the local girls the time of day.
To a thirsty man in the desert, even dirty water begins to look delicious!
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alias clio The idea that the number of eggs she has is directly related to a woman’s sexual attractiveness is thus clearly bogus. It’s the hormonal cocktail of puberty that makes a woman fertile that is responsible for making her sexually attractive as well.
Linear (or more generally, monotonic) correlation often fails at the extremes. If we restrict our age window to post-pubertal women, say between ages 18–65, I’m absolutely certain that the number of remaining eggs correlates strongly with attractiveness.
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Precisely. This should not have even needed to be said.
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Markku, we still have no hope of a clue to find out what the substrate of awareness is. We can do signalling and computation, but we have no idea even where to start when it comes to creating a device with a subjective experience.
Actually, there is no way whatsoever to prove that something has subjective experiences. Proof is by nature intersubjective. (Another matter is how we can even know it takes any particular substrate in the first place?)
It seems that many people aren’t able to grasp just how hard the hard problem of duality is. People confuse computation with subjectivity. In practical terms we may have to integrate biology with our other computational systems. I’d bet on that rather than full replacement.
Of course there will be gradual integration. At some point, however, the integration will have gone so far that the information content held by the biological portion becomes insignifigant compared to that held by the synthetic.
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“They’re economical and good for the psyche. What with their dried-up raisins, you can blast dozens of loads rawdog.”
If that’s your motivation, then preggo chicks rule in this regard.
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@MNL
Your point is a good one, but I don’t think it applies to me, at least not right now. We have sex 5-7 times a week, so there’s not a lot of time in between sessions. In fact, she looks best precisely after a good pounding….she’s got that healthy and pink glow and wild hair that takes five years off her expiration date. She also looks good after working out.
Who knows….maybe it’s because she’s growing her hair out longer than before, or she’s using expensive moisturizer, or yoga improves her skin tone, or she’s satisfied with her job like never before. When we first starting dating, I did see her as kind of an ugly duckling….a cute girl who was modest in appearance, and who wasn’t maximizing her potential. At the time, I liked that, because she was like a hidden treasure…..she wasn’t an arrogant and hard-to-please beauty like other women I dated (her native country is known for the beauty of its women), but rather, the simple girl next door, with all the personality virtues that come with it. And personality goes a long way, because physically, it will all go downhill soon….
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Modern Cosmetics (3D Photoshopping) distorts the attraction-fertility curve. Put bluntly, remove their carefully constucted masks and there is NO WAY a 30 year old girl can win the fertility competition versus a 13 year old girl. The politically engineered Age-Of-Consent (AOC) is another wall, of sorts. A protectionist wall to protect the Spinster Union (SU) from competition.
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@Backdoor Man
With that description, consider yourself a lucky man (and one who’s doing something right)!
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Aging sucks. It is a disease, plain and simple. What is obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ and above is the need to cure for aging. The need for effective anti-aging medicine.
http://www.sens.org
http://www.manhattanbeachproject.com/
http://www.campaignagainstaging.org/
Fortunately, we are finally starting to get the traction we deserve.
I am sick of seeing people I know and care for grow old and die. I don’t even like seeing the people I don’t like grow old. That’s how much I despise the aging process.
I am especially sick of these Luddite assholes who say its wrong to cure aging. These people are called “deathists” and they really are FUCKING ASSHOLES. They are scum of the Earth.
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And you, my dear Sir, are confusing pedantry over word usage with a legitimate quarrel over a too-simplistic interpretation of the eggs/beauty correlation. The hormonal cocktail of puberty is essential to sexual beauty; the eggs are not. If a woman has few eggs as the result of some accident or congenital condition, she can still look young and sexy if she is, in fact, young, and still producing female hormones in adequate quantities. Even removal of the ovaries because of disease, though it can be aging, won’t necessarily be so, if the woman’s body still produces enough estrogen via other organs or cells (the breasts produce estrogen, as do fat cells), or if she takes it in supplements, and if she’s still actually young.
Also, fertility, which in a female mammal means the ability to become pregnant, is not equivalent to egg-production. A woman who produces eggs may become infertile if she gets too fat or too thin, for example.
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“This saddens me. Why? I will explain. Anything, any uncontrollable force, that strips beauty from the world is my enemy.”
LOL, fag.
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INTP, the safest age for a woman to become pregnant is NOT in her early teens. Her pelvis hasn’t yet finished growing at that stage and child-bearing may stunt her general growth and ability to get adequate nutrition for herself and her child. The period between 20-24 is, I’ve heard from doctors, generally considered the best. But it’s true that this is seldom mentioned in public, perhaps out of political correctness.
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I believe the egg thing is accurate viz fertility, but I’m pretty sure women looking like dog shit at 30 or even 35 is mostly a choice. Stay out of the freaking sun and put away the ho hos, virginia slims and vodka bottle, and they can look good for a long time, even without resorting to botox and the scalpel (which generally does indeed make them look like strange sausage animals). Part of it is genetics of course, but the profusion of fuglies and women with nasty skin is just plain sloppy living. The ones who watch their diets, and didn’t do the ridiculous, “balloon up to 150, then diet down to 120” thing that most women do when they go in and out of relationships; they look good into their 40s. Not as good as when they were 20, but good. Also, none of the “still got it at 40” women I have known had a stressful testosterone producing career. Those always look haggard, or at least grow enormous popeye chins. The adrenal glands can produce lots of testosterone; I’m pretty sure that ends up making ’em look weird.
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You “ladies” were sold a bill of goods, feminism. You think you can wait forever to have babies LoL, I don’t think so. Mother nature is a bitch. You can’t see the big picture can you? Feed the weak minded one’s and they will bite. You can’t have it all.
The female’s highest fertility window is around 17-27 y/o. Fertility dissipates in your late 20’s. They have you believe that a career and your “fun” is more important when you are in your 20’s. They have convinced women that they can have babies well into their late 30’s and 40’s with no problem. Hence, Vitro for the old ladies. Stop listening to these man-haters or you will be old, alone and childless, ladies.
Feminists think they can take on God, he has already erased their children’s future! You need 2.1 ratio to sustain a population… hence depopulation.
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If it’s OK for you to mess with nature to make girls hotter, why isn’t it OK for feminists and authorities to mess with nature to make men more submissive and pliant? You’re not smarter than nature, no matter what you think…
[editor: beauty is what men want in women. submissiveness is not what women, not even feminists, want in men.]
I’d find it gross to found out the “hot” girl I banged was really 55 btw…
[i wouldn’t if she looked like katy perry.]
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Doyourownresearch, to whom was your last comment addressed? If it was me, I said nothing about women’s being able to have babies indefinitely. I said that the teens were not a good time for them to do so, and suggested 20-24 as optimum.
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there is not much one can do about getting old except for being cool about it.
there has to be something quite nice about looking at a girl and suddenly wondering, perhaps, a life with her would still be fun after her eggs are all gone
[editor: absolutely. as long as she’s ok with me having a mistress on the side.]
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alias clio
INTP, the safest age for a woman to become pregnant is NOT in her early teens. Her pelvis hasn’t yet finished growing at that stage and child-bearing may stunt her general growth and ability to get adequate nutrition for herself and her child. The period between 20-24 is, I’ve heard from doctors, generally considered the best. But it’s true that this is seldom mentioned in public, perhaps out of political correctness.
I think the Creator knows better than the Integrity Free Zone, which goes by the name modern allopathic medicine.
Yes, early pregnancies are bad for the girl and the baby. Wife beatings will increase this weekend (Superbowl Sunday). Women only make 70 cents on the dollar of a man. Etc…
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56 year old Tony Dorsett
Proof that men get the last laugh
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“I’d find it gross to found out the “hot” girl I banged was really 55 btw…”
The biggest player I know is about to turn 45. I always thought he was 31-34ish until we traveled together and I saw his passport.
He gives it to probably 50 new girls a year, most of them he meets in bars/clubs and they probably think he’s even younger than I did.
He can keep this going for another 10 years easily.
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The possibility of eternal youth or equivalent always brings me back to the Achilles speech from Troy:
“The Gods envy us. They envy us because we’re mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we’re doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now, and we will never be here again”
Youth is beautiful because it’s so fleeting and fragile.
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”””Youth is beautiful because it’s so fleeting and fragile.
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Good point and if people live to 300 retirement age will be 290.
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So for every woman over thirty you bang, what do you tell them?
All in all it’s just another brick in the wall.
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.
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We need thought control
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INTP, if you can’t accept the word of the medical profession – and you will find some objective words out there on the internet, based on statistical observation (along with a lot of guff saying you can have a baby whenever you want) – then I suppose there’s no point in arguing with you.
The Superbowl Sunday thing was a piece of absurd propaganda that was quickly debunked, even by feminists; the 70 cents on the dollar business is a half-truth, in some professions and jobs, a distortion based on the fact that women structure their careers differently than men and so may end up earning less than men do even when their starting salaries are better. That’s why it’s endured so long, unlike the Superbowl stuff, which no one appears to believe any more.
Having a baby at 13, though made possible by the Creator, is as risky, for different reasons, as having one at 41, which is also frequently made possible by the Creator. If you accept the latter proposition as true, it shouldn’t be that hard to accept the former.
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“That is, when a woman has a full basket of eggs she is at her most beautiful.”
…so wait, you mean like thirteen or fourteen? Kinda scarily enough, yup – facially at least:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Relationships/How_Men_Select_Women#cite_note-2
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so what do i do then? i’m a shy 20 yr old girl with only slightly above average looks and very little dating experience (i’m a virgin). i want to date after i graduate from college but i also want to get married in my 20’s, to a successful, attractive (maybe not conventionally attractive; i tend to like unusual-looking guys), and intelligent man. (i’ve decided/realized i should look at guys in their 30’s who are ready to settle down.) is it stupid of me to desire and expect a lifelong loving marriage like the one my parents have? b/c my husband will leave me once my looks start declining?
i’m just not sure what women are supposed to glean from these sorts of blog posts.
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Well, as you likely don’t know, the ovary is primarily an androgenic organ, like the testis. The developing eggs, really the follicular cells that surround the developing eggs, convert androgens from the ovarian stomal cells (The counterpart to Leydig cells in the testis) to estrogens. Other organs, like the adrenal, also produce androgens. Fat cells for some reason produce estrogens, which is why fat women look better as they age, and get more cancer of the uterus and breast.
So, no question about it, the more eggs you have trying to develop in an given menstrual cycle, the more estrogens you will have.
My best advice to those among us who are aging:
1. Don’t smoke.
2. Don’t drink to excess.
3. Keep out of the direct sun.
4. Eat healthily and keep your weight down. This means not eating the food women try to get you to eat. Women have ridiculous eating habits. Food is like a drug for many of them.
5. Lift weights, but not to excess.
6. Enjoy alcohol in moderation.
7. Get colonoscoped.
It’s easy.
I think that most of what we call the fraility of aging is related to disuse atrophy (old folks sit around a lot) and hormone deprivation. Both conditions are easily correctable.
I think this post was put up to, once again, try to convince girls that their day in the sun is short. Many of them just don’t get it. But, it ain’t my problem.
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To the young virgin who wants a good, long marriage:
My advice:
Find a guy who wants a good long marriage. There are a lot of them around. They are the betas of the world, good guys who just don’t have game and therefore earn the scorn of women. I have no idea how to approach them these days, since cynicism seems to be overtaking everybody. (I’m I just projecting?) They are the guys who get oneitis, put girls on pedestals, fail shit tests, and in all variety of ways come up short in male-female relationships. Their redeeming features are that they tend to stay loyal and supportive. Betas are always surprised how little those virtues count in relationships with women. But, that’s why they are betas.
This blog site actually recommends marriage (for women!) but warns the beta males that the nice girl they are romancing is really a cesspool of deceptions, lies, and lust, and who will cuckcold you and take your money if the mood strikes her, will full support of the law, while laughing at you and behind your back.
So, since the betas are wising up, if you want to find a good man, you might have to offer him a decent prenup. And, you might have to marry an older man to get the stability you seem to want. Ain’t progress grand?
Oh, by the way. I really do think there is a relative lack of decent men to marry these days in the USA. (China, not so bad.) So, expect some tough competition.
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There are a lot of them around. They are the betas of the world, good guys who just don’t have game and therefore earn the scorn of women.
Just be sure they can hold their own against other men. Find a guy who knows his worth vs other men, even if he has little game with women, and you’ll be happy.
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The problem with many quote unquote science writers is that they go for shock value.
Future pundit was already corrected that “the research also revealed that the size of any given woman’s reserve can vary greatly; some had more than 2 million eggs, others as few as 35,000”
And not to be mean, but a lot of women in the UK take piss poor care of their health.
I keep abreast of the wonder of telomere length and how it impacts aging and fertility.
I also delve into caloric restriction.
A lower body weight, low stress lifestyle contribute to a woman’s fertility levels because studies show that women with shorter telomere length have reduced fertility.
Also studies show that bouts of extreme fasting can kick start the fertility in mammals.
I can imagine that many women from the UK sampling were fatty smokers.
Or perhaps not. But either way from reading the ACTUAL report and not some stupid science reporter’s salacious slant I see that fertility is all over the map.
And my bet is that the women who aren’t slobs and take very good care of themselves and are blessed by great genes stay fertile much longer.
In fact Ccougars who get knocked up seem to account for the LARGEST % of abortions.
“The percentage of pregnancies that are unintended and that end in abortion in women over 40 years of age is very high: 51% of pregnancies are unintended for this age group, which is second only to adolescents, in whom 82% of pregnancies were classified as unintended by the National Survey of Family Growth.1 Therefore, although fertility declines, women must be reminded that they can have unintended pregnancies in their later reproductive years, and that continued attention to contraception is essential.
Women over 40 years of age with an unintended pregnancy have the highest abortion rate of any age group, with 65% of the unintended pregnancies in this age group ending in termination.1”
My grandmother gave birth to my Mother at 44.
She was active her whole life. She took care of herself and stayed attractive long after most women do.
If women are worried about their fertility that should spring for their own ovarian reserve testing because everyone is different.
I had mine tested a while back because I don’t plan to rush into marriage unless it’s with a man who is excited and really wants it.
I shudder to think of the average reader out there who freaks out and tries to pressure her poor smoochie into marriage or having a kid out of wedlock. Ugh/
And the doctor who headed up the research already FAILED 5 years ago with predicting one woman’s fertility correctly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4148675.stm
Dr Wallace, a consultant paediatric oncologist, told The Herald newspaper: “We were very concerned that she would not be able to have her own baby because of her treatment and the hormone tests were showing her that her ovaries had packed up.
“It was a great surprise that she managed to have a pregnancy and carry the baby to term and have a healthy baby.
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a large, immovable monolith of frightening and awesome power
Frightening? You lost me there. There’s nothing frightening in the natural loosening of the grip of sexual desire that occurs with age. Only those who have lived a life of repressed sexuality never let it go with the flow of getting older. There’s an innocence that occurs with age when a person has explored and experienced all sex has to offer and then slowly and naturally let’s it drop and it is replace with pure love. There’s a reason why hormone levels and desire drops. Are you really that stupid to think it should not be so? Let it go gracefully and it’s as beautiful as a human being in their sexual prime. Otherwise it’s just perversion.
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What really breaks my heart is when teenaged girls are stricken with Lipodystrophy.
How would a girl who is at her sexual reproductive peak (egg wise) have a chance at passing her genes on when she looks 50? And her disease is hereditary, thus tainted eggs.
This 13 year old girl, “Zara Hartshorn” recently made the news:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35180427/ns/today-today_health
All of your eggs intact, are not an absolute guarantee of sexual attractiveness. Life on this planet is never simple, or fair.
I think the AOC law in this instance is grossly unfair to Zara, and some 55 year old retiree in Boca would love to have her on his arm and would treat her like a queen.
If she lives in Cali, she has to endure her personal hell for 5 more years before men are allowed to have a relationship with her. Statistically, The only men who would be interested are the ones who look the same age as her 50+, and random visually oriented gerontophiles (my mortal enemies).
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@Michael, I hate that movie. Hollyweird does the greatest work of literature in human history as a variant on “Fame.”
Suck it straight from the teat if you want to get all Ancient Greek. From Hesiod’s Theogeny, on the creation of woman (recently sent to me by a sensible pal who got married to a decent woman):
“Forthwith he made an evil thing for men as the price of fire; for the very famous Limping God formed of earth the likeness of a shy maiden as the son of Cronos willed. …
But when he had made the beautiful evil to be the price for the blessing, he brought her out, delighting in the finery which the bright-eyed daughter of a mighty father had given her, to the place where the other gods and men were. And wonder took hold of the deathless gods and mortal men when they saw that which was sheer guile, not to be withstood by men.
For from her is the race of women and female kind: of her is the deadly race and tribe of women who live amongst mortal men to their great trouble, no helpmeets in hateful poverty, but only in wealth. And as in thatched hives bees feed the drones whose nature is to do mischief — by day and throughout the day until the sun goes down the bees are busy and lay the white combs, while the drones stay at home in the covered skeps and reap the toil of others into their own bellies — even so Zeus who thunders on high made women to be an evil to mortal men, with a nature to do evil. And he gave them a second evil to be the price for the good they had: whoever avoids marriage and the sorrows that women cause, and will not wed, reaches deadly old age without anyone to tend his years, and though he at least has no lack of livelihood while he lives, yet, when he is dead, his kinsfolk divide his possessions amongst them. And as for the man who chooses the lot of marriage and takes a good wife suited to his mind, evil continually contends with good; for whoever happens to have mischievous children, lives always with unceasing grief in his spirit and heart within him; and this evil cannot be healed.”
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Given the current environment, women who are serious about getting married should considering offering the man a dowery. Such has been the norm anyway for most of history.
Sure, your looks will fade but the cash will still mean something.
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Cindy
i’m just not sure what women are supposed to glean from these sorts of blog posts.
What you should glean is that 99% of this is bullshit and you better be very cautious or your lovely heart will be trampled into a million pieces.
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she beast:
A lovely heart is a piece of meat best served up in basil wrapped, deep-fried olive oil.
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@cindy,
You said: “is it stupid of me to desire and expect a lifelong loving marriage like the one my parents have”.
You are free to wish anything you want. getting it is another matter. lifelong marriage is going to be rarer and rarer mainly because society is not telling the young women the truth: keeping a man faithful is a hard job and not very compatible with your other wishes. Ask your Mom how she felt at your age, and how she feels about her lifelong relationship. then ask her how she thinks your father stand by her. Lastly, do you find men like your father very frequently?
My suggestion is that you tone down your expectation and hope for a 20 year long happy marriage instead as it is far more likely to happen than your dream.
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The post should have added how much of what drives Feminism is the desire to deny the above reality or stop men from acting on it.
And it shows how feminists control the Democrats and the Republicans by working this angle (they control the Libertarian Party as well – because we are not organized – but thanx to the few guys who are getting on Twitter like I asked).
Alimony and Child Support Laws – Largely designed to make it too painful to leave a woman for a younger woman…it is an example to other men to show a struggling middle aged man, unable to get a younger woman.
IMBRA and VAWA: You will NOT even think about dating younger women from other cultures who have not been trained to despise older men.
Abstinence Education: Teaches young women that, the older men get, the more likely they will have a disease and all diseases go through condoms (because the educators say so).
Women’s Studies: Teaches women at the height of their sexual attractiveness to HATE older men…allowing the older feminists to have a chance.
Rape Hysteria: Designed to teach the young women to fear and hate older men. Has the bizarre side effect of advertising that the older women are still attractive enough…because why else are they worrying so much about rape?
Cougar Movement: They actually validate older men being with younger women when they say “if older men can date younger women, we can date younger men”. So I am OK with them validating reality like that. What frightens me is the way so many cougars would probably tell their daughters NOT to date older men….meaning often they are our true enemies and not allies. Also, several cougars have blocked me from dating their daughters because they felt entitled to date me themselves – throwing themselves before me saying they are available but their daughter is not interested (in one instance the daughter vocally objected saying that she was interested).
When I was 22 I dated a 35 year old cougar because I did not have game enough to get women my age. That only came after I turned 30. Cougars misunderstand that they are often getting men who don’t *yet* have game, but they probably choose the type of guy who eventually will “get it” (budding alpha).
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You should have been an economist.
I’d permanently ban the man who wrote that! Much is bearable, but not that.
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Larguax, sadly, is right. Women today prefer the un-truth society tells ’em now: marriage is a “relationship,” like dating, where today it’s all bells and whistles (“passion” and “romance,” etc.– constant arousal and ‘gina tingles, really) or it’s “over,” no work needed (if you aren’t kept entertained, bail). Twenty years? Hell, the old “seven year itch” is great hurdle now.
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Don’t I get a credit for my link to the Japanese article?
Maybe someone beat me to it……
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[editor: absolutely. as long as she’s ok with me having a mistress on the side.]
Whether a mistress comes into the picture or not happens naturally. Planning wouldn’ matter one way or another, would it?
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Why don’t we just ban contraception and abortion? Death penalty for women who abort and any males guilty of assisting, and irreversable sterilzation for those who sell or purchase contraceptives.
It would seriously curve female (and male) sluttiness and encourage a semblence of responsibility from both sexes, thus creating an incentive for genuine inner development and real intellectual and spiritual progress as well as making people take more seriously their sexual attractiveness because they’ll want to get it RIGHT.
It would solve our demographic problem
It would show the rest of the world we ain’t pussy whipped no more.
If you’re a bitch, and you want to be a cum-dumpster, reap the benefits. If you’re mindlessly swinging your cock left and right, it’ll serve you right when you were that lucky guy out of 3 who fucked her that night, that just so happened to also knock her up.
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Only one mistress on the side? Would that involve putting the harem out to pasture…surely not?
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”””’This is not necessarily something the married couple has ever discussed verbally or in writing.”””””’
Well if you plan on doing that why not discuss it?
The woman will still love you if you speak to her about brutal truths in fact she will love you more because she will know you love her for her not just because she has a pussy.
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I have a better idea = firing squad for those who would make casual sex less available and who want to raise the stakes for alpha males in favor of beta males who want to take revenge on them by talking about “taking responsibility for your actions”.
Seriously, this SoCon vs All Other Guys rivalry has badly weakend the Men’s Rights Movement. Over at MensNewsDaily.com in 2008, good writers had to leave as the SoCon males, including one who prided himself on almost being killed while trying to convince Australian college coeds not to be available for money, pushed others away.
SoCons make bad allies for MRAs and mortal enemies of PUAs.
What he meant about the mistress is that a wife must, European style, look the other way as a much younger mistress comes into the picture, hopefully only temporarily. This is not necessarily something the married couple has ever discussed verbally or in writing. It is just understood. Behavior such as Tiger Wood’s wife is COMPLETELY unacceptable because it violates that “understanding”.
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Well if you want your wife standing over your unconscious body till death you should talk about things like that.
I am not talking about tearfully letting loose your emotions of guilt after fucking another chick but before you fuck another chick.
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I cannot imagine discussing it, nor have I often seen it discussed outside of the men and their wives who go to couples clubs (Paarchenklubs).
By the way, the Beta Moment of Hollywood for 2008 was when Miranda’s hubby on the Sex in the City film tearfully confessed to having had sex with the babysitter.
He should start doing Hollywood Film Beta Scene of the Year.
How about starting with the next post being Hollywood Beta Moment of January 2010? Then we can vote at the end of the year among an easily found 12 candidates.
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Why don’t we just ban contraception and abortion? Death penalty for women who abort and any males guilty of assisting, and irreversable sterilzation for those who sell or purchase contraceptives.
It would seriously curve female (and male) sluttiness and encourage a semblence of responsibility from both sexes, thus creating an incentive for genuine inner development and real intellectual and spiritual progress as well as making people take more seriously their sexual attractiveness because they’ll want to get it RIGHT.
It would solve our demographic problem
Naw, I prefer to cure aging.
For one, it can probably be done in 20 years or so (for about $1 billion). It would make a society of childless post-mortals that would make the entitlement programs of social security and medicare completely obsolete (95% of all medical problems in the U.S. are caused by the aging process). These programs could then be shut down, thus allowing us to pay off the federal deficit. It would certainly solve our demographic problem and it would accomplish all of this without having to accept any restrictions on our civil liberties to boot.
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@ Backdoor Man
You’re not imagining it. It’s likely that her face is thinning out and her features are becoming a little more angular. In the right lighting, this is highly attractive (see most models having very gaunt features that photograph well.) However, in bad lighting, those angles create harsh shadows that are unattractive.
And, just like everything else in life, there was a Seinfeld episode about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xi9kgnvjQE
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So…..between the ages of 0 and 13? Hot.
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So egg decline is positively correlated with advancing age…and advancing age is positively correlated with decline in physical attractiveness. And the murder rate in NYC goes up with the sales of ice cream. Correlation is not causation.
Why does this matter for pickup up women anyway? If she’s hot enough…go for it. Fertility should only really matter if you want to fertilize those eggs, hardly a goal of most of the men here.
It is, however, of interest to younger women who may think that it’s OK to put off even thinking about parenthood until their 30s or beyond. For just about every aging starlet who pops out twins past 40, I see an egg donor in her 20s.
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Already addressed: Females between the ages of 0 and 13 are not “women”. Fail.
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@Aldonza
No, the actual research shows that the amount of eggs was all over the map in some of them women.
I wish I had the money to underwrite a study of women who take great care of their health (paleo, intermittent fasting, high impact interval training, no smoking, bmi 18-21, low stress lifestyle) versus the average woman who is overweight and eats crap.
And I went Catholic school. Half my friends were ‘happy mistakes’ of old Moms.
Anyway this story based on a sampling of just 325 women is getting so much exposure.
Lord help us all.
Women shouldn’t scramble to have kids.
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Just because your eggs may be scrambled, doesn’t mean you should scramble to have kids.
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My only point was that once you open the door to manipulation of human nature by genetic or other means, you can’t really control who will manipulate what and in what direction. So you want hotter women. What if parents decide to eliminate things like criminality and violence from their children and an unintended side-effect is that you have a nation of castrati? You think parents don’t want submissive male children? They’re doing that right now without genetic engineering, they’re doing it with ritalin and other drugs…an entire generation of caponized white children.
It’s just weird to me that a supposed conservative who attacks feminists and others of trying to manipulate or repress human nature for their own aims is totally cool with these same people having the means to change human nature at the genetic, and therefore irreversible, level.
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Agreed. A lot of infertility in younger women is attributed to something called PCOS or poly-cycstic ovary syndrome. Simply put, this is an insulin problem related to diabetes and is largely cured by the paleo diet + exercise.
I’m not saying that. I’m saying that if a woman in her early 20s knows that she really wants genetic children of her own, she needs to be aware that her fertility does decline after 30 with a precipitous drop at 35. Ask any of those older women at the fertility clinic about it. Not a whole lot of 25yos there seeking expensive and intrusive procedures in order to conceive.
It’s easy to believe in your 20s that you have all the time in the world. Fact of life: you don’t.
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SENS-like radical life extension is going to be the sledge hammers that we use to take down this wall just like the real sledge hammers that took down the Berlin Wall.
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Feminists have done women a great disservice in telling them that they can have babies in their 40’s. They really have betrayed women.
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Don’t be angry… Abelard Lindsey
Trying to fight against mother nature. Too bad soo sad, suck it up and deal with it cupcake. 🙂
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markku
Sure, but you are just sidestepping the issue. Yes, it’s possible to built a robot who can pass the test and act in a way indistinguishable from a human. Do you not notice that that subjective experience may still be absent? If I am going to replace components of myself, I’d rather not lose awareness in the process, even if other people would never notice.
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alpha/beta
you make the call
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Why are you looking up that shit noir?
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Why is it a white chic whats the deal noir?
Little envy or lust.
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Chic, something about that girl tells me that chick sucks the dick. Call it a hunch.
That makes the dude alpha.
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tupac
you are one sick f*ck buddy.
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I only need to hear that high-pitched feminine giggle once and I know I’ll be getting the knob slobbed.
Don’t blame me.
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chic noirbuttox,
You are wasting time in fruitless pursuits that do not match your highly specialized skillset.
It shall instead be your privilege, honor, and goal to….
(wait for it, wait for it)….
Detox my Buttox.
Now quit talksin’ and start detoxin’…
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Here’s an apropos quote I just found:
“I will be 44 this year and until around 10 years ago I had men falling at my feet, (a situation I assumed would never end) but the dearth of attention in my late 30’s & early 40’s has been astounding. The majority of men at this age are married or (worse) too young, and looking for a ‘cougar’.
The nicest guy I know loved me deeply, (I think he still does) but my rejection caused him to marry someone else, have children with her and move to another country.
I saw him last week and when we parted I sobbed for an hour.We change, we evolve and our needs become more fundamental. It’s not settling, it’s having the foresight to realise that this will happen. I wish I knew that before, my ‘wish list’ would have looked completely different.”
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article7009556.ece
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Trying to fight against mother nature. Too bad soo sad, suck it up and deal with it cupcake.
Believe me, I’m dealing with it alright.
My regimen:
CoQ10 – 100mg per day
Resveratrol – 250mg per day
Carnosine- 1000mg per day
Acetyl L Carnitine – 500mg per day
NAC – 600mg per day
I lift weights 4 times per week (typical two day split body-building work out) and swim 1 km 3 times per week.
I’ve also got cryonics as a backup plan in case I don’t make the first time around.
If I make it, I plan to piss on the graves of all of the “deathist” scum who either said radical life extension was not possible or was somehow “wrong”.
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Sure, but you are just sidestepping the issue. Yes, it’s possible to built a robot who can pass the test and act in a way indistinguishable from a human. Do you not notice that that subjective experience may still be absent?
I’m not sidestepping anything. I know exactly what a philosophical zombie is.
If I am going to replace components of myself, I’d rather not lose awareness in the process, even if other people would never notice.
If components of your brain are replaced tiny bits at a time while you remain are completely conscious you can probably tell if you are losing awareness. Awareness is not an on/off thing. Look up Moravec Transfer.
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Romance is always a young woman’s game.
“Anything, any uncontrollable force, that strips beauty from the world is my enemy. How much grander and pleasurable life if women stayed beautiful for 100 years instead of a precious 15 years? How much love would my heart shout at the world if the pool of beautiful women was every woman, everywhere, forevermore, and not just a small sliver of women with power so fleeting it may as well be a curse than a blessing?”
NO! Part of the excitement and emotion beauty creates is related to the fact it is ephemeral and somewhat rare and no one hold on to it. We would not have poetry music or art of any interest if every woman was and could always be lovely.
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Largaux:
You are free to wish anything you want. getting it is another matter. lifelong marriage is going to be rarer and rarer mainly because society is not telling the young women the truth: keeping a man faithful is a hard job and not very compatible with your other wishes. Ask your Mom how she felt at your age, and how she feels about her lifelong relationship. then ask her how she thinks your father stand by her. Lastly, do you find men like your father very frequently?
My suggestion is that you tone down your expectation and hope for a 20 year long happy marriage instead as it is far more likely to happen than your dream.
My parents have been married for almost 30 years; they fell in love and married when they were 18 and 23. They’re from a conservative family-centered Asian society so divorce is completely out of the question, but it’s a moot point anyway b/c although they have arguments, they still love each other. Although I see that the marriage is unfair to my mother: she works more than my father, but she still does all the cooking and housework (I can’t even remember the last time my father cooked or did housework), and they have both joint and individual accounts, but my father messes with her individual accounts sometimes.
And most of the adults I know are my parents’ friends, who are from the same conservative culture, so I do know a lot of men like my father. In fact they all help out their wives around the house much more than my father does.
Chances are I’m going to marry someone of the same ethnicity, from this subculture, which is Americanized but still way more family-centered. Thank god. I don’t think I could deal with the sluts and players in mainstream American society.
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More regarding awareness: I wouldn’t bet that as we outsource brain jobs to silicon, we’ll necessarily notice the loss of awareness. You can’t always be aware of what you are not aware of. It’s an act of awareness to be aware of what you are not aware of.
Consider the stupid. They are too stupid to know how stupid they are.
It’s when we are most smart that we realize how stupid we are, and when we are most aware that we realize that what we thought was a conscious act was unconscious habit.
When technologies allow, I’ll be among the first in line for brain rejuvenation therapies and stem cell injections. After heavy testing I’ll be fitted with some new sensory equipment. Way past beta testing and into the 2.0 stage, I’ll retrofit my brain with some electronics. I’ll likely be too old to be able to integrate with the borg, like the babies that grow up with their implants in place, so color me conservative.
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Balderdash.
If every plate of food you eat is gourmand quality, it does not diminish your enjoyment of it. As long as you don’t eat the smoked salmon for every meal, it will be as freshly delicious each time.
If all women were beautiful, that would not make them all smoked salmon. Some would be truffles. Some would be steak and eggs. There would still be variety.
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tupac Chic, something about that girl tells me that chick sucks the dick. Call it a hunch.
That makes the dude alpha.
two things:
1. I find it funny that gaybottox followed your second comment.
2. speaking of gay, did you meet up with cannon’s canon yet? the guy offered to do “that” for you. You better get on that while it’s free.
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chic noirbuttox,
You are the expert at such tasks. You are highly specialized, and therefore you have been granted this honor.
Now, quit talksin’ and start detoxin’.
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You guys are so funny.
I recently turned 30 and look around 22 or so. When people discover my real age they are shell-shocked. I have been practicing paleo/CRON lifestyle for five years now. I have a model figure and perfect skin, no wrinkles, thick hair, etc. All due to diet, exercise, antioxidants. I get approached all the time, men want to date me, be in a relationship, etc. I have the discipline to make such a lifestyle work; admittedly, most women do not.
My mother is on a similar diet (less emphasis on CRON through), is 62 and looks better than a lot of women in their late 30s/early 40s.
The funniest thing is, I can spot a man of your ilk a mile away and will promptly reject all of you.
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Susan – You may want to explain, of course, what you mean. Of course the law of stats says you would probably not have much in common with such a small sample of the opposite sex. But, after that, much of this talk would not come out in the open in an actual conversation with a man who posts here.
Are you saying that you reject men for being attracted to the most attractive women?
That bitterness is one of the first marks of a radical feminist and most smart guys can spot that a mile away.
Another reason why I don’t live in the USA…men being rejected for having a brain and thinking about the dynamics of relationships, rather than just sucking up what feminists tell them is the PC way to think.
There is no excuse for rejecting a man because he recognizes that most people do not age gracefully.
Over at LemonDrop they attacked a 47 year old man for saying he was looking for a woman in her early 30s or thereabouts. They said it was not his age but the fact he was looking for a younger woman that would get him rejected by them. Oh brother.
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Apropos Susan’s vicious “I’d reject all of you” comment, there is a thread going on at an anti-PUA forum that correctly notes that too many US and Canadian women are trained by feminists to SEEK AND DESTROY ALPHA MALES.
You might get them going for an hour or two, but their primary mission is to find men who have game and reject them…to find alpha males and make sure they are hurt:
http://www.happierabroad.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6989
Note how the post expertly destroys the PUA mythology of it being logical to conform your behavior to women when that is the essence of being beta. Toronto is singled out as the most anti-male city on Earth…where alphas are hated for being alpha.
What is not discussed much is the horrifying feminist culture in North America where a man’s analyzing of women’s behavior is reason enough to reject him.
This is what Susan just said she does…reject men for analyzing behavior…being intellectual.
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The idiocy of the PUA mentality is that men start to think that it doesn’t count if getting laid took no skill…meaning if the woman really liked you.
PUA mostly doesn’t take into account when a feminist culture teaches young women to reject the men that succeed in charming them the most.
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May all women take up yoga, get plenty of sleep, and stay hot longer.
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Oh yeah, and no reason for guys not to do the same. Women look at me differently since I started working out, and I’m told I’m better in the sack. Fitness = better sex = a happier world. Why aren’t the UN talking about this?
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I meant I can spot men well versed in “PUA” tactics and their attempt to use said tactics on me, even if they think they are being clever about it. I have no interest in game players.
It has nothing to do with feminism. Ironic that you should mention that. As a matter of fact, I am about as anti-feminist as it gets. I read henry makow’s website every day – how many women do think even know who he is?
If you don’t, google him and get ready to learn about the conspiracy to destroy western civilization using feminism amongst other tools of social engineering.
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Hi Susan – Agreed on PUA – I personally moved to Europe from New York City about 8 years ago because I wasn’t going to play games with game-playing Sex in the City types. I am aware that I left behind some fantastic women who don’t deserve to have good men abandon the USA like that because of the US feminists.
Please help MRAs as you justifiably critique PUAs.
IMHO, the biggest problem with PUA is that it:
1) Never complains about bad female behavior – Like the feminists, PUAs believe it is always something the male did or did not say or do. This is by far the biggest mistake PUAs make. They say it is “practical” to accept bad behavior in a woman and work around it. I prefer to confront it and discuss feminism right away if necessary (I haven’t met an American woman socially in 3 years so I have not had to do this).
2) Rarely complains about the massively damaging effect of feminist ideology on the forming of relationships (a man can charm a woman for hours and get her number, but if he has not learned her opinion on feminism he can find her not taking his calls the next day because she realized he was, God forbid, an alpha male or too old for her feminist sisters to accept). PUAs rarely concern themselves about lawmaking such as anti-staring laws and IMBRA.
3) Requires men to not be themselves, which is ironically the first thing a beta does.
4) Presumes American women to be superior – or else there would be more talk in the PUA community about how to spot the au pair or exchange student in the bar…and what great 4 day weekend flights overseas are available from which city. 😉
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I meant I can spot men well versed in “PUA” tactics and their attempt to use said tactics on me, even if they think they are being clever about it.
No, you can’t. Not even close.
That is what all women say, but since women are incapable of separating emotion and logic, they cannot detect Game.
They all say the same thing, yet fall for same-night-lays all the same.
You do to. You probably already did the nasty with Roosh.
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Why are you so obsessed with the woman’s age? 🙂 Alright, so that 30year old is an “ugly, weathered, wrinkly” whatever broad, but for fuck’s sake, lay off of her – you don’t have to sleep with her, much less marry her! 🙂 why is it such a big deal for you masculist guys who are on a ‘marriage strike’ and some of who do not even intend to have kids. What difference does that make to YOU? Why do YOU care so much? 🙂 Why do you care if a woman’s face looks a certain way, you don’t have to sleep with her. Accept Nature. All living beings age and wither, so do YOU. You, men, are aging right now as you read this. Men age too, visibly. It is comfortable for the men to feed on the double standard that men get more ‘dignified’ or more valued as they age. Maybe, but only a very small, miniscule number of men. Most men are average and their value too declines as they age. On a dating site, a woman is being hit on by tens and hundreds of men 10-15 years older. Sorry, they don’t stand a chance. They are too old. It shows. Men lose testosterone rapidly after 30 years old. Many guys over 30 are overweight. Many have receding hairlines. Their faces change. They start having erection problems. Yea, some of them have accrued some money but who hasn’t these days? Most people have average incomes. Stop flattering yourselves and look at reality 🙂
Yes, the female eggs age, that’s natural. But what difference does it make if many many women still have healthy kids when their 35-40. There are many such examples. They are the empirical evidence that you prejudice doesn’t mean shit.
And men’s fertility falls too. Doctors suggest men over 40 be careful because their offspring can have mental disability.
Plus an older father is not convenient – he does not have the energy that is required to raise kids. Don’t overestimate yourselves. The dating sites are full of desperate average men in their late 30s and 40s who are looking for a mate. You are not George Cloonies or Tom Cruises, much less an Orlando Bloom or Ashton Kutcher.
Today’s men lack in the commitment department. That is the reason for the depopulation in whites. Stop pointing the finger at women and look at your own values (or a lack of them).
p.s. Seeing the reality of what some of the men are really like, as demonstrated in this blog, really doesn’t give you an incentive to bring kids into a world inhabited by such monsters.
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Skadi,
I would have sympathized with your sour grapes about being abandoned by men your own age (or if you are a young feminist – your impending abandonment when you get a little older), but you dropped a nuclear bomb and declared a personal war there.
It is OK to throw dirt at men…uselessly trying to insult them in order to convince them to be attracted to women your age (or the age you will soon be). It hurts nobody. Trying to tell old, ugly men to “get real” when they can get lapdances at the corner from gorgeous 19 year olds anytime of the day or evening…is just plain pathetic…but it does no harm.
What DOES do great harm was your trying to persuade any young woman reading this (here or similar slander written on other forums) that they should destroy our happiness and reject us older men because of the shameful lie that our sperm gets somehow defective. That is where you lost sympathy for your pathetic position and declared a personal war.
That is not acceptable.
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[It is comfortable for the men to feed on the double standard that men get more ‘dignified’ or more valued as they age. Maybe, but only a very small, miniscule number of men.]
True. But the double standard MUST remain because older men care more than anything in the world that 18-21 year old women will want to sleep with them while older women do not care about what 18-21 year old males think of them…except they do care that the older men won’t abandon them….so we have a problem (a problem that made equal voting rights problematic because of the expected attempts by women and wimps to regulate their husbands and older men via laws).
Still…you older women (or smartypants young feminists who will hate themselves out of their youth) MUST NOT try to regulate older men meeting younger women either via slanderous lies like the sperm nonsense or via Congressional laws like VAWA/IMBRA that penalize men for wanting to date younger women out of the USA.
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[On a dating site, a woman is being hit on by tens and hundreds of men 10-15 years older. Sorry, they don’t stand a chance. They are too old. It shows.]
It is insane for an older woman to feel sorry for women 18-21 for getting a lot of attention.
It is even more insane for the older women to further imply that the younger women are “victims” of the attention. But this is standard radical feminist fare since the 80s when the 2nd wave feminists started to see their sexual revolution go wrong when their men started abandoning them for sex with their secretaries and college students.
It is even more insane for a young woman, while she is still beautiful, to ape the sour grapes of the older women as if she herself is a “victim” of men being attracted to her. Sexy young feminists are the worst threat in the world, worse than the terrorist threat of a few planes going down or the loss of a city or two. Older bitter feminists just need to keep their mouths shut thank you, because your bitter rants are not going to stop men from wanting sex with younger women. PERIOD.
Furthermore, tons of older men look young enough to lie like crazy online and get away with it…in person later on as well. Unless the young woman checks IDs (men must totally stop accepting this behavior) there is no problem. Once a woman has had sex with a man, it is not that big a problem to learn he lied about his age by 5-7 years or even more. If it is a problem, the man still got his sex. Good riddance to the young feminist if she wants to reject him after that.
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[Men lose testosterone rapidly after 30 years old. Many guys over 30 are overweight.]
Most people don’t exercise. Lose it or lose it needs to be the maxim for everyone regarding their bodies.
But Bruce Willis and Steven Segall and John Travolta were at their peak of sexual attractiveness to women after age 50 while their testosterone was still going strong. They all looked better in their 50s than when younger.
Plus this type of look is common enough in the general population (about 2% of men over 50 are hunks).
[Many have receding hairlines. Their faces change.]
Tragic. I have a double chin at 50. But I still date 18-24 year olds. I recommend that all men get buzz cuts after 35. Longer than a half inch of hair makes older men look older. Shorter hair makes them look younger and tougher.
[They start having erection problems.]
Mainly with the older women they are not attracted to. Not being able to get it up with an 18 year old is a problem most 50 year old men would like to have. But they somehow don’t have it with 18 year olds (for instance at the lapdance bar). The ED advertising is a lie – the drug companies promote men dating their own age because they know men will need drugs to pull that off.
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[Yea, some of them have accrued some money but who hasn’t these days? Most people have average incomes. Stop flattering yourselves and look at reality]
What are you trying to say here? You are only agreeing that men should expect to be sexually rewarded for having relatively more money than the guys around them and preferably a LOT more money than younger guys who might be more physically fit. Nothing new there. This is a 6 million year old reality that men only know too well.
[Yes, the female eggs age, that’s natural. But what difference does it make if many many women still have healthy kids when their 35-40. There are many such examples. They are the empirical evidence that you prejudice doesn’t mean shit.]
I sympathize with your plight as an older woman who still thinks she deserves to be mated with, but remember you lost my sympathy when you perpetuated the slander that our sperm gets defective (the liars normally say “after 50” but you needed to change that to “after 40” for added hate speech effect).
[And men’s fertility falls too. Doctors suggest men over 40 be careful because their offspring can have mental disability.]
And this lie is where you lost my sympathy.
[Plus an older father is not convenient – he does not have the energy that is required to raise kids. Don’t overestimate yourselves.]
How the Hell is this argument going to change whom I want in bed Friday night?
[The dating sites are full of desperate average men in their late 30s and 40s who are looking for a mate. You are not George Cloonies or Tom Cruises, much less an Orlando Bloom or Ashton Kutcher.]
But each of these “desperate” men can get release from a series of lapdances at a cheap price from upper middle class 19 year old coeds. Many of us older men look better than Clooney and most men are taller than Tom Cruise.
the commitment department. That is the reason for the depopulation in whites.]
[p.s. Seeing the reality of what some of the men are really like, as demonstrated in this blog, really doesn’t give you an incentive to bring kids into a world inhabited by such monsters.]
Look who is talking about not wanting to accept reality.
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[Why do YOU care so much? Why do you care if a woman’s face looks a certain way, you don’t have to sleep with her.]
But your diatribe basically says that we DO have to because younger women aren’t going to want our “defective sperm”, right? I would have agreed with your post if you stopped at the sentence above.
He is pointing out that it is the media and anglo society that pretends that all these older women are so beautiful while refusing to look at reality. This directly causes US women to give themselves a much higher valuation of themselves, causing them to be rude to men they shouldn’t really be rude to, especially when they are 18-21 (when men are actually hurt by rejection).
The media want men to believe, for instance, that Meryl Streep (Mumma Mia and It’s Complicated, etc) is still desired by all the men her age who only seemed like they had abandoned her years ago – the theme of both films). They want us to believe that George Clooney is “too old” for the younger actress in “Up in the Air” and that he is doomed to be lonely forever in the skies, unable to even get the 40 year old woman he dated in that film because she was already married (spoiler alert for that film).
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Mainly with the older women they are not attracted to
some comments in this blog are pure gold. This is so true I could´n´t agree more.
The reality of the aging wife, which adds insult to injury by being usually the same age as the man, plus living with widespread pornography, can only lead to erectile disfunction.
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and that is why Victorian women banned pornography and why older socially conservative women want it banned and why feminists, as they get older, develop more of the “this isn’t sexual freedom, its human trafficking” epiphanies. And why they pass laws like IMBRA banning men from dating foreign women (which the feminists call “mail order brides”).
They think they can make a wilting penis rise enough by banishing that which makes it stand straight up.
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MRA,
Despite your aggressive tone (speak of ad hominem attacks, personal war?), I will reply.
First of all, I haven’t been abandoned by men of any age (if by abandoning you mean lack of sexual and romantic interest on their behalf). Men aged 19-60 flirt with me very often. They’re all very different, they’re certainly not all princes, but the attention they show me proves that – no, the men have not abandoned me. Second, if they did abandon me, what would that change in my life, except for the fact that I would not have a long term relationship with a man? All the other things in my life would still remain. If I wanted a casual sexual relationship, I could get that pretty much at any age – most men, especially the young ones, the ones in their sexual prime, will be very open to a non-strings attached sexual fun encounter (as proved by the many online ads where men aged 16 to as mature as 35 are looking for sex with older women).
About the old men. What is wrong with not replying to the advances of somebody that you’re simply not attracted to or don’t feel the need for? You don’t pick the older women, do you? Lap dances are for money, it’s a kind of prostitution. I can get sexual pleasure from a 19 year old stud for free. Not bragging, just stating the fact. Not that it means anything essential, just like the lap dance.
Concerning sperm, there have been studies that have proved that men’s fertility decreases after 30 and that children born to men over 40 have a higher risk of being born with mental defects. The risk of miscarriage also increases with an older father. I’m not saying this just for the sake of telling younger women that your sperm is ‘defective’. This is just something that the scientists have said. If this blog screams about how the woman’s fertility expires so quickly you should not be biased and also take into the account the reproductive features of the other gender.
About the anglo media. Well, some of ‘these older women’ are indeed attractive.Meryl Streep is fantastic, the idea of her movies was to actually show that a woman can be happy and fulfilled as she is. Don’t know about the Cloony film, but to me he really does seem old. But being old is not a sin and many women still like him.
Yea, some US women indeed appear to have a sense of entitlement, and, if you ask me, then it appears that sometimes they take for granted what they have because the Western men in general are of pretty good quality (with the exception of the weird extreme cases present on this board which I hope represent a marginal minority). American men are generally good, even though they tend to be more sexist and frustrated than Western Europeans (probably due to the social contrasts in the States and the aggressive pace of life). Women aged 18-21 in general are very inexperienced, they have not yet learned about the men and they have to learn it the hard way unfortunately. Another reason for the attitude of the American women is the fact that they do after all make their own money, they work full time so basically they do not NEED a breadwinner in the traditional sense. As I love to say – “He’s not my father, my husband or my sponsor”. I owe him nothing. Of course, the American culture is still obsessed with the traditional roles even though the reality has changed and without having real gender equality, the whole value system is a mess.
Don’t know what it’s like to be married to a 40 something guy, but I personally care very much what young males think of me. They’re hot. This whole ‘he will abandon for a younger woman when I’m 40’ is so pathetic and ridiculous, so tiring. This is one very big reason not to get married and not to invest too much in a guy, because given today’s habits, he can humiliate you like that (after you have cooked and birthed for him). Why doesn’t it ever occur to you that the situation could be the opposite – that the wife gets tired of the husband? Most 40 year old guys are not a handsome sight and the domestic chores can be a real drag (not saying they shouldn’t be done, just saying they’re a real drag). Again, I’m not trying to ‘regulate’ anything, that’s laughable. I”m just restating the facts that have been researched by scientists regarding male fertility.
Don’t understand this whole rant about ‘victims’ but my point was that I get hit on constantly by men 10-15 years older and most of them I will not reply to much less meet in person. I respect them as human beings but there is no romantic interest. Yes, some are good looking, but those are very very few, they’re no Viggo Mortensen. I wasn’t trying to devalue the men (like you do with women), just saying that the reality is very far from the Cloony and Rourke or other movie stars, celebs, millionaires. There are many men that I will simply not engage with, no matter how rich they are (and most of them aren’t). It is in fact sad.
I don’t understand the attraction of Bruce Willis, he seems asexual to me. The whole persona he plays is just so unattractively arrogant. Isn’t he pretty shallow too? Ashton Kutcher I’ll take any day. But that’s not the point. There are male actors for every taste, some like older, some younger, it’s about the individual. And how can you tell Willis looks better now, you’re not even female (btw, his appeal to some is not even all about the physical). Men get old, just like everyone else does, get on with it. That’s why all the athletes are young and they reach their peak before 25.
Well, you date the 18-24 (and that’s perfectly fine) but you do not marry them or stay in a long term relationship. Dating is too common and not that exclusive. And do you date them for free or do you suggar daddy them?
Viagra is a reality, like it or not. Nature did not intend for men to have erections that longer on in their lives, it’s just a pure natural fact. The erection issue of course is more complicated than the age, it’s individual. But you cannot deny a simple, natural fact that a young or teenage guy’s erection is generally much stronger and he can get it up much faster for the second time around after cumming. Of course, it varies and there are 35 and up guys who have fantastic erections, but the Nature has simply made the young male more virile, aggressive, restless and driven.
And if the older guys do not get a stiffy with the women their own age, then how come the younger ones get erections with older and sometimes even much much older women? It’s all out there in the sex adds and the mature pornos. And the reason for this is because the younger males are more virile, they’re filled with the sex drive (the true drive to procreate themselves, ordered by Nature to do so early on in their lives), they are burning with desire in their every cell.
By accrued wealth I mean that today women are also increasingly accruing wealth, mostly with their hard work. Despite the fact that they still bear the main brunt of bringing up the progeny. In the 20s demographic women make increasingly more than men. Besides, most men have not financially supported most women for decades now. They are not the providers and main breadwinners anymore. There are rights and there are responsibilities. Without carrying out the responsibilities, your manly duties, you can not have male privileges. You have to earn privileges and if you don’t want to, there is the gender equality option. Now, I’m not saying it was the men’s choice (even though males are the architects and executors of this economic and political system). Many men are now stuck in a difficult situation which they did not create (same as women are). I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for a young guy (or an aging guy) in the American culture that defines the male by the amount of money he makes, losing his job for instance or not being able to compete with the very high standard the society imposes. Although it seems that many men are content that they don’t have to support a woman and the child anymore all by themselves. And they enjoy the great freedom not to get married and to come and go as they wish.
From the evolutionary perspective it’s important that the man has more money, but from the moral perspective I don’t agree that men should be sexually rewarded just because they have more money. Men should be rewarded based on the content of their character. Based on how they treat the ones around them. We see today that men with most money actually behave in most immoral ways. Instead of protecting and providing, they are bringing suffering and endangering the others.
I understand, MRA, that revealing the fact that men’s sperm loses quality with time is painful and makes you emotional, but those are pure scientific facts. The doctors will confirm that. So don’t get so upset and try to strike down the messenger (who does not need to prove to you that she is a great choice to mate with).
The argument about older dads will certainly not change who you bed on Friday night (as no one gives a rat’s ass about that). What it does change are the choices of the women who are looking for prospective fathers for their children. Good luck to all the older dads, of course.
Speaking of Tom Cruise, yes, he is short, and he is certainly too freaky to have a long term relationship with, but he does have a great smile!
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Wow, didn’t know about this IMBRA and WAVA. Interesting.
So you think violence against women is ok, MRA?
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You’re an asshole Skadi.
But your assholedom only provides a welcome invitation to get the word out more on VAWA.
Here is a good primer on the unconstitutional Violence Against Women Act (even the title violates the constitution in 2 ways – the law is slowly being overturned piece by piece in the Supreme Court):
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roberts/100216
The Third Reich passed many laws under the guise of protecting “women and children” from types of men (who were eventually forced to wear yellow stars to warn women and children of their comings and goings).
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Good Response Skadi – You make a case for Cougars and Older Men to Bury the Hatchet and be Allies. In that respect, a post like “The Wall” attacks your potential happiness with younger men and you wanted to strike back with the agenda driven science about sperm. So maybe older people should all agree not to make each other look bad in front of the younguns. 😉
There is a lot of agenda-driven science out there and, if you are a Cougar, it is not in your interest to make enemies of the men your age who can help you split up young couples for instance instead of teaching the young man about “egg science” and to be alphas and reject you.
On Twitter, Cougars are 50% pro-MRA and 50% chip on the shoulder anti-male. Maybe you can help all people over 40 make each other look good to the younger crowd.
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To continue, for reader enjoyment, on why VAWA is getting overturned piece by piece:
1) It defines violence to mean even verbal slights or hiding the car keys, throwing a paper cup of Pepsi against the wall. This can put a man in jail now.
2) It provides $ billion per year in federal funding that keeps 10,000 feminists employed, doing things like inventing fake studies and lobbying for even more money while slandering the reputation of males and leaving young women hyper-viligant and fearful of men.
3) It pays for feminist employees to work inside police departments and, of course, women’s shelters where they have been proven many times to have coached women into exagerrating their stories or making them up out of whole cloth. This is also driven, in large part, by the lawyer industry egged on by the Bar Association (all of this is well documented at places like http://www.mediaradar.org and http://www.glennsacks.com.
4) VAWA rewards women financially etc for being “survivors” of “abuse” and “domestic violence” including witnessing a paper cup of Pepsi being thrown at the wall.
5) VAWA offers no penalties for proven fraud, proven fake abuse claims. As Roseanne Rosannadana would say “Never Mind” is all it takes.
The Nuernberg Laws that prevented German men from having sex with Russian women was to protect German women from being abandoned or polluted.
So anyone who implies a law must be good simply because it SAYS it protects women and children is playing like a German woman in the 1930s and, even if a law marginally DOES protect women and children, it must not do so at the cost of any freedom for men that has been known for thousands of years as natural law (so for instance saying hello to women in Eastern Europe is my inalienable right and I regularly disobey the IMBRA law with gusto)
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Violence against women, including psychological, is a very, very bad thing. There is a saying that the civility or the quality of life of a certain society can be measured by the level of well being of women in that society.
Violence against women is totally unacceptable, there is nothing to discuss here. Women have to be protected. If the men don’t do it, the state will do it.
False accusations are ugly (just like your rudeness, btw), but that’s what the police and court system are for.
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Well, as an Eastern European (technically) woman, I’m not familiar with all those US laws. But there has to be someone or something that does protect women, especially very young women who are most vulnerable.
And I’m a Puma, if you wanna use this trivial stereotyping American urban slang. 🙂
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PUMAs have to be kept out of the Republican Party. I hope you were not just trying to say that VAWA is constitutional.
The Supreme Court disagrees. It is only a matter of more comprehensive cases coming before them for it to be finished off.
The federal state CANNOT deal with domestic men on women or domestic men on men violence. The Constitutional will not allow it and, if you are one of those “its a living Constitution that must change with the times” people, than sorry but fuck you.
Your side is winning now, but as I described above, it is totally UNACCEPTABLE that those 5 problems with VAWA exist.
Nobody is saying that actual violence against ANYBODY is OK, but remember that men on men violence is 6 times more common than men on women violence and, quite frankly, your concept that men on women violence is so much worse is wrong (the assumption is sometimes made that men who fight each other both wanted to be conducting violence while women never start violence – in domestic violence women start the physical stuff half the time).
The health of a society really can be measured by whether the men have been pussified or not – those that are will soon be defeated by those that are not.
We now have Hillary Clinton sparring with Iran but that is another story.
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There were plenty of laws against violence before the radical feminist and Marxist NOW wrote VAWA.
There is no reason for Republican men (or any man) to accept a new law about supposed “violence” when laws against violence have existed for thousands of years.
VAWA has never been debated. Wimps let it pass on the name alone. It mainly only gives a billion $ per year to left wing feminist groups (which is why PUMAs who might agree with VAWA are really Trojan Horses in the GOP).
If a woman is 18, she does not require more laws to protect her than if she was 35 – her being more sexually attractive to potential rapists does not entitle her to more protection (which would make older women second class citizens and forcing Cougars to admit they are not as sexy as the younger women). Any attempt to, for instance, force background checks for men in online dating, is really a cock-blocking attempt by older women who don’t want men even paying attention to younger women.
And, of course, attempts to raise the age of consent from 16 to 18 in certain states are nothing more than cock-blocking exercises that the men in some states are alpha enough to put a stop to (the men of Delaware and Florida were really beta in allowing laws that say that 16 remains the age of consent unless a man hits 30 years old or 24 years old respectively in which case the age of consent suddenly jumps to 18 – these are basically “age difference” laws). In Delaware, you can have a 17 year old girlfriend if you are 29, but you become a felon on your 30th birthday if you see her that day).
The health of a society is directly related to how wimpy the males have become. Matriarchies get destroyed by patriarchies, as well they should be.
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It is indeed another story because the Secretary didn’t really create the mess in the Middle East.
And no, I’m not going anywhere near the Republican party in its today’s form (not that I can or would). 🙂 Have they hijacked the constitutionalists yet?
Well, male violence is of course a huge issue. I didn’t say violence against males was ok. My theory is that the society should place a huge emphasis on sports in order to minimize the male violence. Sports can be a great way to exert their primal impulses of aggressiveness, competitiveness and belligerence, channeling them into a more harmless activity than war or violence.
We have to accept that it’s natural for men to fight amongst each other, especially at a very young age when they’re so full of energy. It should not be suppressed, but a more useful outlet should be found. As they say in one slogan “Our strength is not for hurting”. You can call it pussyfied, but I believe a more peaceful society is better. We live in a free society and men should explore different masculinities to see what is best for them and the people around them.
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As a woman who once was 18 myself, I really wish there had been more protection for me back then as I was in no position to fully protect myself. Women at that age are still very, very vulnerable to all kinds of influences due to the mere fact of inexperience. And I can assure you that a 16 year old person, no matter male or female, is still very vulnerable as well. And advances by older males at that age leave very unpleasant memories of helplessness.
Oh, what a coincidence, turns out there are also political PUMAs and Hillary supporters at that. LOL. I meant other pumas though..
Men themselves suffer from the patriarchy. I’m happy it’s going away, though painfully. It’s just regretful that the world has already been so fucked up by the patriarchy that there might not be a healthy world for the matriarchy (or whatever system, hopefully one of balance, that will follow) to inherit.
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Who has time for this crap?
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Monica Bellucci is stunning and is a good testament to looking hot/young= prolonged fertility (longer telomeres)
Six months pregnant Monica told the Italian edition of Vanity Fair: ‘When I had my first child (Deva) at 39 I was told that if I wanted another I should try straight away but I wasn’t ready.
”Eventually I decided that I was and I wanted one straight away but babies are not like movies and cannot be organised in a hurry.
”Women who have children late like me are always told how brave they are and it’s true that the older you are the more risks you run both for the child and yourself.
‘But I don’t feel brave I just feel very lucky. I already have a healthy daughter who I gave birth to in Umbria (Italian region) like an ordinary farm wife.
‘This second pregnancy is just as fantastic but I wouldn’t say I was an example to follow.’
Monica said that she had not used medical treatment to fall pregnant.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1260421/Pregnant-Monica-Bellucci-emulates-Demi-Moore-poses-naked-Vanity-Fair-second-time.html#ixzz0qyDovWP2
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Women pretend they are still young and attractive just as most people pretend there’s a god and an afterlife–because they desperately fear powerlessness. Lack of beauty is equivalent to death for women: it renders them powerless.
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