On January 21st, I wrote the following in this post:
Tiger Woods may not be a model citizen, but neither does he have an emotional or psychological problem. […] If Woods has a problem, it’s that he got married. Big mistake, chief.
On January 28th, John Mayer said the following in an interview with the UK paper The Independent:
“Tiger Woods’ problems come from him being married. The end,” Mayer said to the U.K.’s The Independent newspaper. “If Tiger Woods was single and he texted a girl and said ‘I wanna wear your ass like a hat’, why would that ever hit the news?”
There’s no date when the actual interview took place, but I bet John Mayer is a CH reader. Welcome aboard John. Good to see you heeding my advice and staying far away from marriage. I admit I laughed a little when you squeezed out the last drops of Jennifer Aniston’s precious years, and then played Lucy moving the football with the engagement ring. Stay single.
not even close.
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Flipped through a John Mayer interview in RS over lunch.
Pretty beta music but he had some great quotes – not ashamed of anything.
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I’d give it even money that he’s a reader, it’s in his wheelhoue. Then again, that was a pretty common sentiment about Elrdrick at the time Roissy. Every sports-talk radio-show host in the country said the same thing.
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Pretty beta music but he had some great quotes – not ashamed of anything.
A successful musician, regardless of his music’s content, is an alpha because of his status. Besides that, I think he has some very good natural game that puts him in the 1960s Warren Beatty-level of Alphadom. He’s truly a fascinating figure:
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I’m afraid he is not. Would be pretty cool though.
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This guy is as two-faced as they come – he acts alpha outside the studio but his music is some of the whiniest beta garbage I’ve ever heard.
e.g. – “Daughters”:
“Boys, you can break
You’ll find out how much they can take
Boys will be strong
And boys soldier on
But boys would be gone without warmth from
A woman’s good, good heart”
The heart of many women isn’t especially warm, nor “good”. It seems he’s figured this out in real life but hasn’t applied it to his songwriting.
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Or maybe it’s the other way around! I seem to remember he had a song about Chris Brown smacking Rhianna a couple weeks before your post on the same subject. Hmmm. And wasn’t his first album called, “A Test of Your Game?”
Could be worse, I suppose. I don’t think I could stomach the blog if it turned out you were a Jonas Brothers fan and started posting about promise rings and the virtues of saving oneself.
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“The heart of many women isn’t especially warm, nor “good”. It seems he’s figured this out in real life but hasn’t applied it to his songwriting.”
He’s a Gramscian whore. He “gets it” in life and panders in art.
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Ahem:
http://www.dlisted.com/node/31353
Somehow I think Mayer wasn’t too into Jennifer Aniston. If you know what I mean, and I think you do.
Check out the picture. Seriously.
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Ya, the Maher comment was a generic reality check. From watching the video clip above, he comes across as a sharp cookie – too sharp to NOT come up with such an observation on his own.
The ideas that marriage is unattractive and that men naturally like to fuck around are common, and expressing them despite and to spite the P.C. Overthink Big Sisters is more common every year. Its no longer even cutting edge to be forthright about race diferences, for heavens sake – pointing out the obvious gender differences is not even cliquish any more.
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Mayer gets a rap as a beta, but I’d disagree. A significant portion of his lyrics are about fucking. Many are odes to womens bodies. There is nothing emo about his lyrics, nor his blues guitar. though admittedly some of his songs come off as sensitive, as Roissy says – an alpha can get away with that. furthermore he is established as one of celebritydoms biggest poon hounds. this marriage quote only reinforces that label.
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Thanks, roissy, brah. Keep up the great blogging. That Aniston pussy was pretty nice right up to the end, too!
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What, you’re the only one who ever thought of that?
At best, Mayer is a celeb like all others and doesn’t do his own thinking. One of his omega dork producers/assistants reads your blog and quoted it to him and he absorbed the idea.
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That’s a good way to put it, but you can also put it in the converse. If you don’t (get away with) be(ing) sensitive, you aren’t very alpha. You not only need to lay the alpha groundwork before you can be sensitive, but you haven’t fully laid down your alpha groundwork until you’ve been sensitive.
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his tv show linked in the interview was worth watching
still dont enjoy his music but what a guy
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ok pop music cant be alpha ! or people wont buy period.. !
just like no matter how alpha the lead of the film towards the end hollywood will betasize him to sell to masses..
majority of people are alpha haters anyways and refuse to buy into the concepts of alphaness, game etc etc
a musician doesnt need to act alpha etc coz his status as a musician is enough….follow mayer a bit and seems like quite a cool guy esp since his female bedmates talked publicly abt his prowess in bed … thats uber social proof !!
to think of it probbaly th elast good alpha music was Gn’R who wrote great songs like back off bitch !
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John Mayer is a natural alpha and quite quotable:
“I’m the George W. Bush of love: I may not have anything to show for myself now, but history will prove me a hero.”
“They say I’m a womanizer, I say I haven’t met enough women.”
Derek’s correct about Mayer.
Whiskey, as usual, is stupid. I guess his extreme paranoia scrambles his gaydar, too, eliciting false positives.
When you’ve got a throng of 17-25 year old women vying to salute your nutsack, you can dress like a flamboyantly gay 70s caricature and suffer no penalty for it.
This is Amotz Zahavi’s Handicap Principle writ large — with maybe a touch of Disqualification. Mayer’s effectively saying, “I’m so alpha I can dress like a fag and you’ll love and reward me for it.”
Trying to cut down your α-β-ω spectrum betters with accusations of homosexuality is the jaded, deluded woman’s trifle.
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yeah, pop music is beta on the surface, but that’s the hook. isn’t it interesting that male pop stars extol women while female pop stars extol their sexuality and empowerment?
what’s the common denominator? female pedestalization. on both counts women are pushed to the top and worshipped.
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I had a girlfriend who was a year behind Jennifer Aniston at Performing Arts. She said she was fat then but they knew she would be successful because her dad was a soap opera executive. I suspect she feels a little entitled which might explain her troubles with men.
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I laughed at JB’s remark about Mayer’s Gramscian whoredom.
Anyway, this has me wondering a little about Mayer. All of the possibilities that have been raised about his relative alpha/betaness have potential.
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RE: I admit I laughed a little…
You owe me a new keyboard. Mine’s now full of coffee.
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http://podcasts.theatlantic.com/2010/01/marry-him.php
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Roissy and all,
Last week I went to a McDonald’s with two male friends. I was a bit down. I wouldn’t expect much from that place because usually you’ll only find scum in McDonald’s. Especially that McDonald’s.
The thing is I was attended by a young girl who was very energetic, uplifting, talkative, etc, and probabily a great slut as well. But although I was so down I didn’t notice her much, looking back, she’s probabily an 8 or a 7 which is very fine to me.
Our interaction – or better hers – started with she saying “If you give me one of those, I’ll marry you” looking towards my ten ten € bill. She continuously tryed to be funny which I found uplifting. Even when I had to wait for my hambourger for almost ten minutes, she’d be “pleasent”. Even when I tried to make stupid jokes, she wouldn’t react badily.
Should I go to that hell hole again and ask for a big mac only to try to practice some game on her?
Or am I being just overtly beta, running to the only girl who gave me 2 minutes of attention and 5 uplifting words this week?
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For those few of you interersted, my utterly stupid joke:
She – The hambourger will take while so that we can get to know each other better
Me – Hmm… (30 seconds silence). So, what’s your name, so that I can say that I know you?
She – (Pointing to her left tit) It’s written here.
Me – I’m lovin it? You’re called I’m love’n it? That’s a beautifull name.
She – (laughing) No, I’m called A. (than she starts saying lol as if I’m dumber than any girl who works on McDonald’s).
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all this talk about alpha status and beta music reminds me of something i was thinking about this morning. sensitive lyrics work for a guy like mayer, because he’s already built attraction with his status alone. the more alpha you are, the more beta gestures you can get away with. in fact, women love it because it’s completely push-pull. a guy like mayer is completely out of reach for the average woman, but his “sensitivity” gives them the sense that maybe a girl like her would have a shot ’cause he’s really a nice guy underneath it all.
there ‘s a corollary with men being completely entranced by hot women who manage to hint at a whiff of sluttiness. her hotness says, ‘you’ll never have this,’ but her sluttiness says, ‘i’m available.’ set this against most contemporary women’s complete inability to hint at anything. so many of them seem to be either asexual, ball-busting shrews or raging sluts who try to impress you with their easiniess.
so what’s the lesson to the average man? keep yout beta gestures small when wooing a woman. say no to flowers, love poems and expensive dates. skittles are OK.
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Not sure if the post is meant to be taken literally or if Roissy is saying great minds think alike.
If it’s literal, hopefully there is more to back this up like regular visits from IP addresses corresponding to the hotel/home John Mayer was at (if Roissy happened to know), verbatim quotes Mayer said that Roissy also said, etc.
Actually I think the bigger question is if one of the writers of the “Ugly Truth” movie starring that hot guy from 300 reads Roissy! Aoefe called it a while ago… The guy in that movie is extremely similar. I’ve heard the character is supposed to be based on Adam Corolla in the old Man Show but I donno… But who knows, maybe the real Roissy was actually involved with the movie? (Or maybe guy truths are so universal now, that I wrongly assume a certain @$$hole style of advice giving and acting has to be the blogger here and am wrong)
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John Mayer(or “Slobber Boy” as my bud Jamie Logsdon calls him,be-
causee,though a uber-talented guitarist,Johnny slobbers rather than sings)TWEETS?JOHN MAYER????(And why is he dating Taylor Swift,who about 20;Mayer’s at least 33????)
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As long as Johnny stays away from my babes Beyonce,The Spice Girls’
Mel B.,singer Brandy and Halle Berry(those broads’ bodies ARE wonder-
lands,Johnny!!!!)I DON’T CARE WHOM DUDE DATES!!!!
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Chuck,a lot of female pop stars are lesbians(how old ARE YOU;you mean you haven’t figured out that one yet?)or in the case of black female singers,fat,fugly broads.(The fat Jennifer H.’s-heifers?-Holliday and Hudson,Fantasia,Aretha,etc.)
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Mayer went to high school in Connecticut with a friend of mine. She says he was a talented, but sensitive, guy who was harassed often. Clearly he figured things out after high school, and harnessed his musical abilities, but he was certainly not a natural in his teens.
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And why is he dating Taylor Swift,who about 20;Mayer’s at least 33????
Why WOULDN’T he date Swift (she’s not my cup o’ tea but not because she’s 20)?
Anyways, Roissy’s question was tongue-in-cheek.
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A deeper question is why do musicians get so much quality poon even when they aren’t archetypally alpha. I’ve read a fair bit about game without ever seeing a cogent discussion of the phenomenon.
Mayer is explained by wealth/fame, but you can go to any hole in the wall club featuring a semi-professional act, and those guys will be attracting the best poon around.
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you can go to any hole in the wall club featuring a semi-professional act, and those guys will be attracting the best poon around
It’s probably the fact that even a bar band commands their audience’s attention on an emotional level. It’s similar to being a motivational speaker or a charismatic professor. In contrast, a subway guitar guy is ignored by the passer-bys (unless he’s really good) and does not swoop poon.
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Look, success in a career does not =alpha, especially in random careers like pop singing and acting, where its more about timing—being the type of look in at the moment—and packaging by the company that owns you—-music videos, false “rebellious” acts if you’re a rapper or rocker, high profile “dating” set up by your company (amazing how many celebrity couples get together when promoting a movie or needing to boost their Q rating, eh?), etc.
If we hadn’t been in the mood for Mayer’s twaddle back when he first emerged, he’d be a road warrior but unknown in the mainstream. Or do you think Denzel Washington would have been the huge success he is today way back in 1940?
Alpha is about command—do you give the impression or not? Can you dominate another man by your presence and words, and not merely beat him up?
Now, I have no idea how Mayer is in his personal life, but he seems beta. Anniston’s a nice lay, but seriously: Dave Chappelle had an entire segment with Mayer in it where Chappelle made fun of people who listen to John Mayer. Very beta. I know Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra–two alphas—would never had stooped that low to seem “cool.” They were cool just by their existence. When you shit on your own talent just for a few cheap laughs, and let Chappelle rip your fanbase, you’re pretty beta.
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Dave Chappelle had an entire segment with Mayer in it where Chappelle made fun of people who listen to John Mayer.
Actually not how the skit went down at all.
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SHOOT,HENDRIX had so many hot white broads,it wasn’t even funny.
(AND WE’RE TALKING THE 60’S HERE,FOLKS,when lots of people still openly attempted to dissuade white babes from dating as handsome black lads;see Altamont Rock Concert,Dec.6,1969.)
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to Lurker:I think though that being self-deprecating is endearing if you have status. If you’re a nobody, it’s best not to use too much self-deprecating humor because impressionable people (read:chicks) will think of you however the fuck you tell them to think of you with your humor and attitude.
John Mayer can afford it.
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Btw, as a musician who has been playing for years, but not publicly yet, I haven’t yet sexually capitalized on my being a musician, but I’ve gotten signs that I very well could. I think some other musicians will back me up when it comes to the “buy signs” that musicians get. When I was moving into my place and hauling my acoustic guitar around, I struck up a conversation some college chick who was moving into a nearby apartment tower and she kept looking at me worshipfully. That look that says that if I sexed her, it would be better than Christmas.
Then there was another time when I was on a train and I was transporting my bass. The train started out at Penn Station NYC, so it was pretty crowded at first. I sat next to rather plain chick, but my bass took up a disproportionate amount of the overhead storage compartment. I had not fully reformed my niceguyism, so I apologized a few times for the inconvenience, as the chick had to store her stuff in front of her legs. But she didn’t care. She assured me those few times I did ask that everything was fine. After enough people left the train that the remaining people could reorganize themselves, a girl who was sitting near the back of the car got together with the plain chick in the seats across the corridor from me. I assume they were friends. This new chick was a babe, a stunning HB 8 or 9. Both girls looked over at me from across the aisle and as they stared, the plain girl whispered into the hottie’s ear (presumably telling her that I played music), and her eyes lit up like they were on fire. The sexual intent was unmistakable. Under normal circumstances, I may have talked to her and gotten a number to fuck her when I got back to NYC, but I was REALLY not feeling well, and the illness affected my confidence, so I let it slide.
Normally, I’m invisible to women, so when shit like this happens, I notice. The sexual interest that I get when women know I am a musician is unmistakable. Women never notice me otherwise, especially the hotties. When they know I can play music, I become some sort of sex God. It’s the weirdest shit.
So yeah, you don’t need to have the status of John Mayer to have beautiful women want to fuck you if you are known to be a musician.
As long as you’re not Thomas Dolby.
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Chris G:
“to Lurker:I think though that being self-deprecating is endearing if you have status. If you’re a nobody, it’s best not to use too much self-deprecating humor because impressionable people (read:chicks) will think of you however the fuck you tell them to think of you with your humor and attitude.
John Mayer can afford it.”
—Not really, and not when the target is the very talent that put you there, and the fans who gave you fame. Sinatra did comedy, and self-clowning, but he never knocked his own songs or his base.
Think about it this way—if carrot top started mocking his own comedy and his fans, he’d show beta.
There are a few who can, but that’s because insulting themselves is their schtick—See Conan O’Brien. For every other famous pop singer or actor, to do so is to truly show how obsequious you are.
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as an addeundum: mayer can’t afford it, since his music is pussy music, so guys are naturally repelled by him. Jay-Z might get away with it once, but not Mayer.
Remember, only Nixon could go to China. Not Humphery.
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Mayer is now approaching the Empire State Building. He is still carrying Taylor Swift…
20 minutes later…..
CRASH! Mayer has landed on 34th and 5th.
It wasn’t the airplanes that got him. It wasn’t beauty either. It was self-deprecating humor that killed the beast.
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It’s good to have this all cleared up. It’s so clear to me that Mayer’s bound to fail and his epic, Kongesque fall from grace will happen soon.
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Mayer, like Dave Matthews, sucks. His music sucks. His voice sounds like a whiny little he-she male bitch, you know, the kind that is highly educated and sits in an office all day long enduring the emasculation that office work brings. The kind of guy who has a female boss, hates it, and reads he-man blogs like this when his female boss is not looking so he can at least fantasize through the completely artificial world of cyberspace that he is a real man, an alpha man, a Roissy manly man, before his female boss catches him looking at un-work related sites like this and bitch slaps him back into reality.
But back to Mayer…his music sucks. I can’t stomach the likes of him and Dave Mathews. They are nothing compared to the great musicians of the past.
He even looks like a pussy. You know, he has that stupid blank expression on his face that is supposed to somehow convey profundity but instead conveys nothing more than whinny she-male emo bitchy pussyness.
So if you are reading this blog, Davey boy, you suck and I hate your music.
How many guys listen to Mayers? Who? His music is for chics. A bunch of chics and perhaps a few fags.
[editor: i really need to bring back comment of the month posts.]
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I’ve never heard Mayer’s music. And yes its true the Metal guys in particular dressed effeminately, and still carried the ladies. BUT …
Mick Jagger, John Lennon, David Bowie, and a number of others were notorious for gay affairs. Pop music seems to attract that sort of thing. Even more now that is has become increasingly ghetto-ized as gay.
Could you imagine say, Adam Lambert in that outfit? Why yes you could. Could you imagine say, Jay-Z or Usher in that outfit? Why no.
I don’t think Mayer reads this blog, merely that the truths are universal and now being expressed. There is the danger, however, that guys in music in years to come will be penciled in as gay automatically the way a ballet dancer would be now, because of so many Lamberts and Aikens.
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[editor: i really need to bring back comment of the month posts.]
– You should. They were a laugh.
Anyway, Jennifer Aniston may be good looking but she’s always appeared to me as a high maintenance, whiny spoiled bitch. There’s something about her face that suggests any minute she’s going to be bitching and moaning and throwing massive shit tests everywhere.
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I don’t know. I dig John Mayer. But I do agree that Matthews sucks hard. And the musicians Matthews rolls with mostly suck. Moore was a shitty sax player who only played blues licks. The violinist can’t even be bothered to play in tune. And the worst of is that Beauford is such a kickass drummer because he reminds you how much the other guys suck. Fuck Dave Matthews.
But I will agree with Lurker that Frank Sinatra is the man.
I’ve been listening to tons of his 50s shit lately. Come Fly With Me is so awesome. And you know how obvious it is that he’s trying to get some broad to join the mile high club in that song. Hell, in the version from the Sands he actually sings “just say the word and we’ll beat YOUR bird down to Acapulco bay!”
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Is John Mayer Reading My Blog?
Why would he have to read your blog to figure out that marriage makes no sense for a man who is young, rich and famous?
BlackCowboy
SHOOT,HENDRIX had so many hot white broads,it wasn’t even funny.
(AND WE’RE TALKING THE 60′S HERE,FOLKS,when lots of people still openly attempted to dissuade white babes from dating as handsome black lads;
I’m still waiting to find even ONE black male who posts here or who is in anyway connected to the PUA world online who isn’t OBSSESSED with da’ White wimmens.
You Toms are pathetic and totally predictable.
see Altamont Rock Concert,Dec.6,1969.)
Where an insecure black punk brings a PISTOL to a concert a couple of feet from the stage and then draws his gun only to have some hyper masculine Hell’s Angels put his drugged out punk ass in the grave where it belonged.
Draw a gun on one of the Angels and they will play for keeps.
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Willard said:
“Why would he have to read your blog to figure out that marriage makes no sense for a man who is young, rich and famous?”
I wonder if there are any young, rich, famous men who married (while young, at least).
I don’t follow celebrity life very well.
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LOL
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Musicians alpha? How bout Liberace?
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Whiskey,about the only outfits rappers generally wear is PRISON STRIPES!!!!
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Chris G—-no, it won’t cause Mayer to crash and burn. It just shows how much of a beta bitch he is.
Whiskey—most definitely I could imagine Usher in a girly outfit selling his schtick. First, Usher’s music is effeminate. Second, he’s a closet case.
Let’s all say who the real man is—the Russian boxer nailing Hayden Painerette.
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Naw, you’re really not that important.
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John Mayer is an omega.
Any old beta and even a high grade omega with coke, a guitar, and an amp can play at being an alpha.
This world is pumping out betas and omegas at an alarming rate, and what passes for alpha these days is sickening.
I weep for the future.
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John Mayer is a fag. No ifs, ands, or buts. He is a complete poser who happened to get guitar lessons from his parents as a birthday gift and has been full of shit ever since. What a tool. He ruins radio with his crooning, sappy shit music.
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John Mayer does not read your blog. Don’t flatter yourself.
Tiger and other alpha males get married for a couple of reasons: 1) they’re young and in love; being in love is a heady feeling, akin to being high on a drug, and proclaiming your love and commitment before all of society and God (or whatever higher power you believe in) seems like a way to elevate even deliriously more the high that you feel; or 2) your dad, who you’ve worshipped all your life, thinks it would be good for you.
Tiger and other alpha males STAY married because: It pays to maintain the public message that you are a devoted family — i.e., married and faithful — man. As is evident from his voluntary stint in a sex addiction clinic and attempts to save his marriage to Elin, Tiger has made the considered, deliberate decision to tell the public that he values sex-with-his-wife-only above the sex-with-any-club-girl that is the average, non-Tiger, male’s fantasy.
In short: If you are a man who can get sex readily without commitment, i.e., you are John Mayer, then for gawd’s sake, don’t get married. But if you are a man who can get millions more in endorsement deals because of your image as a clean-cut family man, i.e., you are Tiger Woods, then get married and and work like hell to stay married.
And yeah, John Mayer is a fag anyways.
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i don’t care about john mayer’s private life he has talent and enjoy his music
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All this talk of “alpha” and “beta” and “omega” is, frankly, stupid.
The epitome of stupid in this regard is that website I’m providing, which is CONSTANTLY on about it and which is terminally stupid.
Warning: NSFW.
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