Readers have sent me this New York Beta Times article about the skewed sex ratio on college campuses. It turns out there is widespread discrimination against men in favor of admitting women to higher institutions of learning. If I were a knee-jerk liberal, this would be my go-to explanation. Better yet, if I were a culturally cocooned fruitcup leftie elitist of the sort who would write for the NYBTimes, I might explain the dearth of male participation in higher learning this way:
Women on gender-imbalanced campuses are paying a social price for success and, to a degree, are being victimized by men precisely because they have outperformed them, Professor Campbell said. In this way, some colleges mirror retirement communities, where women often find that the reward for outliving their husbands is competing with other widows for the attentions of the few surviving bachelors.
Get that? Women are victimized by men for outperforming them in college admissions. I feel manipulated by this media spin. Somebody call tha police!
The article itself is interesting not for its trenchant analysis, but for the money quotes by some of the coeds [reminder: sexual prime, age: 18 – 21, BMI: 17 – 23].
Jayne Dallas, a senior studying advertising who was seated across the table, grumbled that the population of male undergraduates was even smaller when you looked at it as a dating pool. “Out of that 40 percent [of men on campus], there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent,” she said.
I think Ms. Dallas fucked up her math. Or she is really picky. I presume she meant to say 50% of that 40% of men, but confused half of 40 (citing 20%) for half of 40% as a percentage. In fact, she seems to be all over the place confusing percentages with absolute numbers. You can’t expect much from an advertising major. On the other hand, if she really did mean that only 20% of the men on campus would interest her, then the imbalanced sex ratio seems to be doing nothing to curb the natural inborn phenomenon of Hottie Hypergamy. (Non-hottie hypergamy usually resolves itself in buckets of ice cream or soul-crushing strings of one night stands. Do note that a woman’s right to choose ice cream takes precedence over her right to choose a beta.)
The very next sentence by the article’s author is this:
Needless to say, this puts guys in a position to play the field, and tends to mean that even the ones willing to make a commitment come with storied romantic histories. Rachel Sasser, a senior history major at the table, said that before she and her boyfriend started dating, he had “hooked up with a least five of my friends in my sorority — that I know of.”
Hm. Not sure how Alex Williams segued so effortlessly from Jayne Dallas confessing that despite the imbalanced sex ratio she still only finds 20% of the men attractive to “this puts guys in a position to play the field”. Correction Mr. (or Ms.?) Williams: This puts ALPHA MALES in a position to play the field. Betas continue chafing themselves to relief.
Thanks to simple laws of supply and demand, it is often the women who must assert themselves romantically or be left alone on Valentine’s Day, staring down a George Clooney movie over a half-empty pizza box.
“I was talking to a friend at a bar, and this girl just came up out of nowhere, grabbed him by the wrist, spun him around and took him out to the dance floor and started grinding,” said Kelly Lynch, a junior at North Carolina, recalling a recent experience.
This article is useless without a proper analysis of the types of men on campus who are getting blatantly propositioned by women. But the NYBTimes won’t touch that with a ten foot schlong, because it might mean peeking behind the frilly lace at what exactly drives female mating choice. Let me start off the discussion by suggesting that the “10% of guys” who are the recipients of bumpandgrindage are pretty much the same 10% of guys on college campuses without an imbalanced sex ratio. Oh sure, maybe a few extra dudes luck out from a favorable sex ratio, but by and large female hypergamy is as rock solid unalterable as is male attraction to slender hourglass figures and youthful beauty. Which is why you’ll see a bigger increase in the number of voluntarily single women choosing to sit out the dating game when the odds are against them than you would see an increase in the number of hotties slumming it with betas who would normally repulse them. This is not to say the sex ratio has no impact. It does. Just not as much as most would believe. The sex ratio’s biggest impact is how it changes courtship behavior (more women dressing sluttily; more men acting like cads), but courtship behavior is not the same as fucking. The endgame is still “Who is she fucking?”, and by my take, a favorable sex ratio for men doesn’t much change the calculus of women seeking the 10-20% top dogs for fucking. As I’ve written before:
Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
Thanks to the sex ratio, a lot of these college chicks choose to share the cock of a worthy insperminator rather than settle for a beta, no matter how numerically scarce beta penii happens to be. They don’t much like sharing, but they like receiving the tepid seed of a milquetoast puffboy even less.
Naturally, all systems have a breaking point. I would bet that when the sex ratio becomes radically skewed — let’s say 80% women 20% men — you would start to see some strange female behavior. Cats laying down with dogs, women laying down with betas. It’s probably happened before in human prehistory. One evo theory suggests the reason for Euro women’s exemplary beauty stems from a time in the distant past when large numbers of eligible paleobachelors were killed off hunting big prey, leaving the remaining men to choose from among the hordes of lonely women. These men likely chose the hottest babes to pass on their genes, ushering forth the big-eyed neotenous era we have today. As with all good things in life, beauty, too, was born in a crucible of boiling blood. Thanks, God!
Indeed, there are a fair number of Mr. Lonelyhearts on campus. “Even though there’s this huge imbalance between the sexes, it still doesn’t change the fact of guys sitting around, bemoaning their single status,” said Patrick Hooper, a Georgia senior. “It’s the same as high school, but the women are even more enchanting and beautiful.”
Wait a sec. Six women for every four men and yet there remain men who can’t get laid? How could this be? *scratching head, looking skyward and sticking tongue out a little* Nope, I just can’t figure out why there are male students sitting around lonely and single. For those men attending college who think a favorable sex ratio will spare you the need to learn game, I hope you can see the folly of that thinking. At best, a good sex ratio simply means more betas getting taunted by slutty women flashing scads of skin to catch the attention of the few alphas in the room.
“It causes girls to overanalyze everything — text messages, sideways glances, conversations,” said Margaret Cheatham Williams, a junior at North Carolina. “Girls will sit there with their friends for 15 minutes trying to figure out what punctuation to use in a text message.”
Girls have always overanalyzed the laconic conversations of alpha males. The sex ratio doesn’t change that. All it does is make their overanalyzing of the same men tinged with frantic desperation. Sorry betas, your conversations don’t get overanalyzed by women. They get disappeared; sucked into a void of whitenoise. You know, kinda like how you don’t remember a single word a fat chick said to you.
I haven’t written much about sex ratios because I don’t find it to be all that pertinent to a man’s daily life and his odds with women. I’ve noted that on a microcosmic scale a very bad sex ratio can mean a shitty night at the bar fending off armies of Bob Evans, and perhaps on a macro scale a skewed sex ratio will affect a host of social indicators. But for the day to day gaming of chicks, sex ratio isn’t going to have much impact one way or the other, unless it is severe and prolonged. If I had to guess, I’d say a sex ratio that favors men — as we have on a lot of college campuses these days — would mean the following:
- Women acting sluttier.
- Fat women ostracized more than ever.
- Betas taunted by a flesh machine churning out display product they cannot buy.
- Alphas living like harem kings.
- Alphas in general acting more caddish. More drinking, fighting, fornicating, and video gaming.
- Betas in general withdrawing more from social life to seek the sympathetic embrace of their computers or like-minded losers in love.
- Dating replaced by fucking (“hooking up” in the current nomenclature).
- Blowjobs and anal sex increasingly accepted as virginity-sparing sex substitutes.
- Later marriages.
- And finally, a tired rationalization hamster punching in overtime. The female mind has never been so besotted with challenges to her anti-slut barricade!
Bottom line: If you are an alpha male, this is a great time to be a student at State U. If you are a beta male, life sucks as usual. If you are an alpha female, things just got tougher. If you are a beta female, you have a glorious career in HR and a schnerdling husband to look forward to in between bed-pounding nights and tearful morning-afters with the sexily oblivious men who would forever haunt your memories and your heart.

Five minutes is all an Alpha needs to get the job done anyway 😉
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“One evo theory suggests the reason for Euro women’s exemplary beauty stems from a time in the distant past when large numbers of eligible paleobachelors were killed off hunting big prey, leaving the remaining men to choose from among the hordes of lonely women.”
I buy it.
“Alphas in general acting more caddish. More drinking, fighting, fornicating, and video gaming.”
Video gaming?
More like, “More drinking, fighting, swooping, drug dealing, and chilling at the beach and surfing.”
But maybe that was just at my university.
– MPM
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It’s interesting that more females at universities than males is just “women outperforming men”, but the reverse would be a “systemic pattern of institutional sexism” – and hence something to fix.
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I go to a “public-ivy” college, which faces interesting statistics: Girls don’t want to go to colleges with a skewed ratio. But the more prestigious your college is, the more men it can attract. So the higher up towards Ivy League you go, the more males the admissions office can let in. State schools have the 60-40 problem (some in my state are as bad as 70-30) but schools like mine are closer to 46-54.
At any rate, my school is so goddamn geeky and so alpha-starved, yet even 3s and 4s have bitch-shields that need to be broken down because we have a similar shortage of attractive women.
The slightly-skewed ratio here does nothing to help, it just makes betas band together and awkwardly fuck. Meanwhile, yeah, the 10 or 20 alphas we have on a 6,000 person campus live and fuck like gods.
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Without getting into the longer-term implications of skewed gender ratios in higher education, Roissy is dead on about this. What’s the big deal? The women interviewed made it clear that they were still competing for the same guys that women in most schools compete for. Clue to the women: there will never be enough cads to go around.
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What you are calling a sexual prime is actually an attractiveness prime. Women don’t really learn how to let go and have decent sex until much later in life. If they’ve been having sex for more than a couple of years at that age, they’re fucked up in some way.
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Interesting observations. I will add some of my own.
A number of years ago whilst still in uni, I ventured off for an exotic student exchange at a Singaporean business school. Singapore’s economy has long relied on foreign talent to infuse their rote learned populace with some innovative thinking, and as such – the school drew a large international presence: Euros, North Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, Safas, etc.
Since this type adventure did not generally suit a beta’s risk profile (aside from the yellow fever afflicted), the international students’ ranks weighed in favour of Alphas. I would gauge a 70/30% split.
The same could be said for the ladies, except much more skewed. The girls willing to leave the comforts of home in pursuit of an international education, were generally smarter, more confident, indepent and hence hotter. The Alpha ratio swelled to a 90/10% split.
Here is the catch: The gents liked Singaporean ladies. They were new, exotic, interesting – and didn’t have the typical hang-ups of Western chicks.
The ladies from the international camp however would not touch the Singaporean lads. I will not get into why here, that is an aside.
Can you guess at the outcome?
After two attention starved months, the girls were foaming at the mouth in sexual frustration. Flirtation grew into forward advances, advances grew into horny animalistic rage. These horny beasts grew desperate enough to tag team each other, only to get one man’s attention.
My prediction for the future should this kind of college campus nonsense continue? The hot chicks will be more willing to share (and likely at the same time) rather than settle for betas. The culture of Harems is around the corner.
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We’ve been passing this little gem around the forums this week too. Funny how all of the “women have it so rough” articles like this predictably hit the press on the week before Valentine’s day. How many betas lacking the insight read through an article like this and thought “out of all these frustrated women I’m bound to hook up this weekend” and made their white knight plans to deliver their “unique” brand of beta game niceties?
One of the most glaringly obvious, but conveniently avoided inconsistencies is that the entire article presumes that a college campus SHOULD serve as an air-tight microcosm for women’s dating entitlements. The author avoids this because it doesn’t jive with the very serious notion that the “new women” supposedly attend institutions of higher learning to actually educate themselves – as opposed to seeking out marriage potential men while they happen to earn a communications degree.
And this is precisely why the author (and all his/her effort) is disingenuous; it presumes that coeds’ only opportunity to ‘date’ would necessarily come from their ratio disproportionate college campus (again proving feminine hypergamy). At least half of the women I was regularly banging back in the day didn’t even go to my university, if they went to school at all. Someone needs to inform this author that an alpha (or even a pragmatic beta) isn’t going to limit himself to an isolated pool of sexual opportunities. Hot women are everywhere, not just on university campuses.
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I don’t think the ratio is as important as the quality of the field. You can have 70/30 ratios but if the vast majority of them are busted then the ratio doesn’t mean anything. You still have the 10% alphas all trying to bang the handful of 9’s and 10’s.
Take for instance my time in Florida. I find the 9’s and 10’s much more receptive than in a city like DC, where a 9 or a 10 is like a 15.
Ratios mean really nothing in the grand scheme. It’s all about the quality of the field. You need enought pussy around to prevent the alphas from eating each other.
Personally, I think there is something to just nailing 8’s all week and then working a 10 into the mix. My roommate is the king of 7’s and 8’s. He has them coming through here like a conveyor belt. Then he throws the 10 in there every once in a while, but he continues to get his dick wet on a regular basis.
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I really wish I had read up on Game back when I was in university. Makes a world of difference in your interactions with women. I didn’t believe it at first, but even a tiny snippet of Game makes a huge difference.
What a clam bonanza I would have tapped had I known of Game 10 years ago. As such, I had to settle for a string of 6-7’s as LTR’s.
“It’s interesting that more females at universities than males is just “women outperforming men”, but the reverse would be a “systemic pattern of institutional sexism” – and hence something to fix.”
I know, eh? I love how feminist groups are pushing against the universities that are applying affirmative action to admit more men. Also, go to any feminist website; they’re all commenting on this article. Two things you’ll notice:
1. The wuss beta who wrote the NYT took great pains, obviously, to make it as feminist as possible, (the “victimization” bit, esp.). Yet, the femmies are decrying the article as “sexist” for implying that “all women want is their MRS degrees”, when the only mention of marriage in the article at all is a throwaway line at the end from one girl about how her parents met where she is now sitting.
2. Not a single mention that systemic discrimination against men may be causing this gender imbalance. Yet if you take the feminist first principle that men and women are identical except for their naughty bits, then discrimination is the only possible cause. Still, nothing.
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[blockquote]The ladies from the international camp however would not touch the Singaporean lads. I will not get into why here, that is an aside.
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Actually, can you go into it? I’m rather curious about this. Plenny of space below….
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Actually, can you go into it? I’m rather curious about this. Plenny of space below….
Because in about 90% of the cases, it would be dating below their social status. In addition, most of the Singaporean fellows are probably shorter than the western women in question.
As far as colleges go, I lived in Nacagdoches, TX, which hosts Stephen F. Austin U, which had a great ratio from a man’s perspective. You saw pretty much what the article described. A few men still dominated the scene, and the rest played video games and “entertained” themselves with computer porn. However, you do quickly shed bad beta habits in this environment. Familiarity breeds contempt. So there is a benefit, thought it’s one that would appall this article’s writer.
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The co-eds
in that NYT article
all have pornstar names
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I suspect this is a myth.
I suspect is more true that women rarely find an adequate lover most of the time, and so it takes a while to find the chemistry that revs her engines.
Most of the 19 to 24 years olds I’ve had sex with have been at least as great in bed as the 30-48 year olds I’ve had sex with.
And of the 30 and ups, very often I’ve heard that I was the one that awoke their sexuality.
I can’t believe this notion that 30 ups are growing into their sexuality. It doesn’t fit my experience in the least.
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Whatever roissey.
There has always been a love of femininity in many cultures. This idea of “alpha” society we have today is a joke.
Women nowadays in the west due to liberalism are a losing proposition.
And I still stand by the fact that what you consider “alpha” died out with John Wayne and the other mans men.
Todays alpha is married with children and drinking scotch.
The rest of the alphas are slaves to their greed, workacholics.
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I bet that with the sole exception of the LSD-fueled 60s, college have always been hell on earth for betas
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I’d add one bullet point to your list. A low sex ratio lays feminist seedlings. Superfluous women – the ones who can’t get alphas – form into study groups in concreted rooms at the back of the university library to discuss patriarchy and its discontents.
I’d strike one bullet point from your list.
They wouldn’t withdraw *more* in a low sex ratio society. There will always be the dregs who behave the same way in either situation, but absolutely more beta males will have options. If we shift from a stable sex ratio to one with more women, the situation for beta males will at least marginally improve.
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I think I read this article yesterday. Like others, I found the whining to be typical for an article of this type: we got what we wanted and it isn’t all we hoped for therefore it is men’s fault. Women, generally, seem to have had the delusion that they could change their behaviour while men would act exactly as they did before. They slut it up then are later all aghast when they discover that men don’t really want them as anything other than a fuck hole.
Anyone find the girl who is moving to NYC to be amusing as she is hoping to find better prospects in a city that has the same gender imbalance as the school she’s currently at?
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Rollo,
At places like Chapel Hill [which I attended] there is no other population to date outside for men – the campus is the town. Of course, the Duke campus is nearby also.
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Roissy, I agree with you that women will always want to have sex with alphas. It’s primal for them. But I think you’re discounting sex ratio too much. In the context of a group, isn’t the most dominant guy the temporary alpha? That is to say, if there are 10 betas in a group, the most alpha like beta will become the alpha that the girl will want to sleep with if given no other options. He is the temporary “chief”. And if there are 10 alphas in a group, the girl will want to sleep with the guy who is most alpha of the alphas. Hypergamy at work.
A good ratio can diminish the amount of alphas in the group, benefiting the most dominant men in that group.
I agree with what you said in an earlier post: after game, ratio is the 2nd most important factor when going out to a bar/club.
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You guys have to check out some of comments left by women to the above article. This one stuck out:
Thank you for finally bringing attention to an issue that most certainly needs to be recognized and addressed. I am a UNC Graduate myself, and often see many of my college girlfriends, who have moved on to do bigger and better things outside of Chapel Hill, often suffering from what I like to call the “UNC Syndrome.” In other words, really beautiful, smart, talented women move to cities outside of the College bubble and jump into relationships with men who are far inferior to them – in every category (personality, looks, brains, etc). This happens due to the fact that they had so many negative dating interactions in college that they believe they will never find anyone, so jumping into a lackluster relationship with the first man to show them attention (and is willing to make the commitment) is what they often end up doing.
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“One evo theory suggests the reason for Euro women’s exemplary beauty stems from a time in the distant past when large numbers of eligible paleobachelors were killed off hunting big prey, leaving the remaining men to choose from among the hordes of lonely women.”
The high standard of European beauty could, in part, have a more recent origin. The 20th Century wars killed millions and millions of men. Russia alone lost tens of millions. Germany, France and Britain in the first war threw away their young men as if they were playing a game of Starcraft and had every mineral expansion on the map. Germany then took a double hit and the Austro-Hungarian component countries took the kind of casualties you might expect if your generals were 13-year-old alpha males with bad impulse control. Even Italy and Belgium in the first war lost an absolute ton of stout lads.
That brings up the question whether Europe lost it’s “best” men. European men used to be very hard guys and now it seems that most are rather pathetic. For the epitome of the old school European alpha male get a load of Adrian Carton de Wiart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart). Or perhaps Otto Skorzeny is a better example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny).
Over at the old Exile website the expat Americans running it (in Russia) were totally agog at the average high level of beauty among Russian women. And what used to amaze them more than anything was the fact that even the female 10s were fairly down to earth people without a great deal of snobbery about their looks (they understood that it was a valuable commodity however). Where I live we have a rather massive Ukrainian community and those people are fun to deal with. Their approach to life reminds me of my grandparents’ generation (they were young in the 1920s and 30s). The Ukrainians are totally in touch with all kinds of realities that modern Americans have decided to deny for ideological and emotional reasons. And most of the Ukrainian women are stunning. That’s my non-scientific impression.
Of course it’s difficult to parse the reasons why one gene pool has more beauty than another. I’m originally from the southeastern U.S. Twenty years ago I moved to California. The contrast in the looks of the White lower classes between the two regions is fairly amazing. In the South the lower class women are not very attractive, in general, while out west you see a LOT of lower-class women who have obviously led rough lives, but you can still tell that many, if not most, would be 8s, 9s or 10s given an easier row to hoe. See the contrast in old episodes of “Cops” that take place in, say, Reno, Nev. or Jacksonville, Fla. Both are meccas for lower-class Whites. Jacksonville might be almost exclusively Appalachian in origin (see Allman Bros. from nearby Daytona Beach by way of east Tennessee.)
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Here is what I’m asking myself: are the 80% of men the girls would not consider non-negotiably unacceptable? I mean being wimpy, dull, nerdy, gross of habits — stuff they could work on, but repellent as-is?
Or are most of those non-dateable guys perfectly OK, given proper age and racial background, and the girls are simply too picky?
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You have to love the comment about women getting the short end of the stick because they live longer.
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@eastpole- that was exactly like my experience as an expat in Russia, where the foreign men went apeshit over the gorgeous women and their different mores, and the expat women, sensing deeply that they could not compete and being unattracted to Russian men (viewed as lower-status, however inaccurately) , withdrew into bitterness and … blamed the men. uniformly.
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@ PA
I’m guessing most of the guys are perfectly OK. UNC is a highly ranked institution—I find it hard to believe that so-called undesirables are social misfits, repulsive or otherwise impaired. These girls really are just too picky and want verified alpha cock.
Anything less is uncivilized, as far as they’re concerned.
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are the 80% of men the girls would not consider non-negotiably unacceptable?
I have always considered the Roissy worldview in this case exagerated.
Girls below 8s are deeply aware of those status issues. It can be that American women are uniquely evil and deranged, but in my experience the lower the girl´s status, the greater the pool of men she finds acceptable. But there is a lower bound , depending on the girl. I only disagree with Roissy about the size of the untouchables´ pool
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I would bet that when the sex ratio becomes radically skewed — let’s say 80% women 20% men — you would start to see some strange female behavior. Cats laying down with dogs, women laying down with betas.
Probably not. Much like social withdrawal allows betas to pine for pornstars instead of trying their luck with a chubby co-worker at gamestop, dating withdrawal for females will have the same dynamic. If you are the only girl in your group of friends who has a boyfriend, you may as well ostracize yourself. Why put up with a beta when you can go out with your friends and get alpha cock every other month?
Just ask this beta male (or maybe this guy is a gamma) who was one of a handful of men who attended an all-girl college and – I’m guessing – still couldn’t get laid:
but the case of Jeremy Pham, a Dartmouth student in an exchange program at Wellesley, goes to prove that boys really can’t handle single-sex schools, even if the sex is female (however, he certainly shows that you can learn valuable life lessons from opposite-sex peers, in this case, mostly about how not to act). A couple of weeks ago, he noticed a post on Wellesley FML (Fuck My Life, a message board for whining, basically) that read: “I’m the only guy of a campus of 2,300 girls but I’m still not getting any.”
http://jezebel.com/5416119/oh-yeah-male-student-calls-wellesley-women-bunch-of-whores
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Some epic lulz.
Brilliant post.
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What kind of surprises me is that people LIVE by the assumption that everyone is fixed and immutable. Rationally the thing to do if you were a lonely beta girl surrounded by lonely beta guys, would be to pick one decent-looking beta guy arbitrarily and *teach him some damn game* 😛
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To be quite honesst, yes, college is filled with a ridicolous amount of poon
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.Rationally the thing to do if you were a lonely beta girl surrounded by lonely beta guys, would be to pick one decent-looking beta guy arbitrarily and *teach him some damn game*
That girl would have to be brutally honest with her “pupil” about what turns her on–and that doesn’t usually make her look very good; e.g., she wouldn’t want to admit that she couldn’t care less how nice a guy is compared to what his pecs look like. Most people just won’t do that, and that’s why the idea of a woman giving dating advice to guys is so fundamentally flawed.
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se girls really are just too picky and want verified alpha cock.
I suspected this, with the caveat that many of the undateable guys are likely immature. For example, Freshmen dudes may seem too much like icky high school boys to a Junior girl.
Solution: the undateable guys who make an effort to not act like high school boys learn Game, and girls will broaden their ‘dateable’ pool to 75% ?
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Here’s another good comment:
“The most important comment in the whole article was one female student stating that she and her friends found only 20% of the male population datable. As a UNC grad myself, I can assure any and all readers that this was indeed the viewpoint of most women at the school. I could never figure out why so many Plain Jane communications majors who couldn’t carry on an intellectual conversation if their life depended on it all thought they deserved a tall, handsome, affluent male who was headed straight to law or med school.
A significant percentage of these women are single simply because they believe they are entitled to a male in the top 20%, when they themselves are nowhere near the top 20% of females of campus.”
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“A significant percentage of these women are single simply because they believe they are entitled to a male in the top 20%, when they themselves are nowhere near the top 20% of females of campus.”
And these little girls overvalue themselves because we raise them as if they’re wonderful little princesses, and the mere fact they happen to be female and have a vaj and some form of boobage makes them precious diamonds that deserve the best of everything. Entitled is the key word.
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Enoch Powell
I’m originally from the southeastern U.S. Twenty years ago I moved to California. The contrast in the looks of the White lower classes between the two regions is fairly amazing. In the South the lower class women are not very attractive, in general, while out west you see a LOT of lower-class women who have obviously led rough lives, but you can still tell that many, if not most, would be 8s, 9s or 10s given an easier row to hoe.
This is the “Grandma wanted to be a silent movie star” syndrome. Good looking women have been heading for Hollywood since the turn of the last century. Unfortunately, most of them don’t make it, & rather than going home, end up settling in the hinterland. These chicks are their descendants.
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A female friend of mine complained once when the male-female ratio at a bar was 50-50. most bars in Vancouver are 70-30 male-female, and that’s the way women like it.
Also, women go to the bar to try to get fucked by the bartender.
Bill: you’re wrong. women of any age orgasm from Alpha cock. The cougars in their 30s can orgasm from Beta cock after years of training and self-denial.
Andrew: you are confusing the two definitions of Alpha. Roissy’s “Alpha” is with respect to women only. Thom Yorke is an Alpha if the ladies want his cock. The other kind of Alpha is the “leader of men” type, but who fucking cares if he lets his wife boss him around.
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Backdoor Man and Sharpcool are 100% correct. These girls haven’t realized they aren’t as special as they think they are.
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Taggart:
“These girls haven’t realized they aren’t as special as they think they are.”
They are as special as they think they are at least as long as they are young. They can really get exactly what they want, live the life that they want, and have sex with who they want until they cross the threshold from idealism to realism that comes with age.
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Somewhat contra to what Roissy is saying is the frequently remarked experience of many gen Y guys having a lot more trouble getting laid by acceptable level girls once they leave college.
I think sex ratio has a good lot to do with that. Not only the enrolled sex ratio on college campuses but the effective restriction, esp. in non urban colleges (which is most of them) to same same age range or only including some grad students versus 30yo guys dating 22 year old girls in the big cities. Because many guys in their 30s are first and foremost after girls in their 20s, and many girls who cross thirty are in a panic to get married and trying out long term relationships with a guy who might plausibly marry them, the effective sex ration turns very much in the female 20 something’s favor and against men in their early and mid 20s once they’re out of college.
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“I really wish I had read up on Game back when I was in university.”
Me too. But no use crying about it. I am 40 and married and still use game when I can.
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“One evo theory suggests the reason for Euro women’s exemplary beauty stems…”
Or, a more grim possibility. During the Ice Age(s), when the winter lasted longer than expected and the stored food started to run out, the uglier ones got “put outside”.
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Hmm. You so-called alphas sound just as bad as the “hot” young women you fuck. Neither you nor they know how.
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Fret not, my brethren. You will be a master of the universe in the long run, so long as you stick to the script. In the end, good guys get the last laugh.
These players, or as Roissy says “alpha males,” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women).
I’m not a big fan of evolutionary psychology, so I’ll implore you to think about the situation this way. Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty). She’s the equivalent of Roy Jones, Jr. in his prime, all attributes, no fundamentals or technique. She garners the attention of males both older and younger. She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall.
Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards. Why wouldn’t they? Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right?
Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. That’s what power does to people. It makes them crave more. So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.” They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?
Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age.
Men take notes. Ladies, don’t think our homeboy didn’t tell us about the time he bought you drinks, only for you to walk away and make fun of him with your girlfriends. Don’t think we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket. We remember. And we punish.
When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends. Seriously, how many times have you met a cute girl and your friends said, “Oh, she was with _____.” It was a wrap. Women who aren’t able to learn their true value quickly and then make wise decisions early on pay a hefty price in the long run.
The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice. She must make the decision: settle down or play around. Her best choice, if she wants to get married, is to begin actively pursuing a husband. But she faces a couple of problems. First, she wants to marry up (older, richer, higher status). But by this time, her peers are just hitting their prime. They’ve picked up some wealth and game along the way, and are seeking to exact revenge against the throngs of women now begging for engagement rings. Second, she’s got competition. Those new “alphas” aren’t trying to mess with used goods. They want that 21 year old model. And for a Harvard MBA on Wall Street, that’s not an unrealistic expectation.
The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years? This bitch must be crazy or something. And let’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.
In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.
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The girl quoted in the article was sloppy with her numbers, but I’m pretty sure what she was trying to say was that the campus was 40% men, and that half of those men were undateable, and that half of those dateable men were in relationships. So the girls were chasing after 25% of the men, not 10%.
Anyway, her numbers were arbitrary, so it doesn’t matter.
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el chief,
“most bars in Vancouver are 70-30 male-female”
Is that true?
I heard Vancouver was legit. (Never been).
– MPM
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One last thing.
I would encourage attractive women to read Greek mythology, especially the story of Icarus. Icarus, with his new but fragile wings, could not resist flying too close to the sun.
Attractive women, with their pretty faces and firm backsides, often can’t break the spell of the intoxicating power that comes along with those attributes. Power’s a hard thing to give up. It’s a lot like winning at the craps table. Some people just don’t know when to quit and cash in their chips. And when they don’t have the good sense to cash in their chips, they often end up just like Icarus–dead in the water.
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“One evo theory suggests the reason for Euro women’s exemplary beauty stems…”
I don’t buy the notion that ther is such thing as “euro women’s beauty” that’s any different than “Euro men’s good looks.” It’s all a function of fair skin, straightish hair, and the facial features that they happened to evolve with.
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Euro women’s exemplary beauty
Have any of you actually been to Europe? English and German women are not any hotter than Americans, they are arguably worse. And East European women don’t have any inherent genetic advantage over American women. They are hot because they try, they really try. I was in Ukraine in 1989 – the women were just dogs, 10 years later they were hot. The gene pool didn’t change – what happened was cosmetics, hair products, better diet and better clothes. That 18 year old pock marked, frizzy haired, blotchy skinned girl with scuzzy green teeth in the polyester pants suit turned into a smoking hot 28 year old in short skirt, boots, tan legs, newly whitened teeth, Italian hair cut and push up bra. It’s amazing what a little money can do to make a girl look good.
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Basically:
No it isn’t. That article is just women whining that Alpha cock is more scarce in college.
Although many males doesn’t like it, the truth is that if a man doesn’t have even a clue about Game principles (natural or not), he’s going to be chewed and spit on by the women in his life while everybody else cheers her on and take a dump on his corpse.
That’s why Roissy’s Alpha male definition works.
I cannot relate though, I’m in Computer Sciences, a sausage festival as few others.
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Graffiti on wall in Hebron: “Arpagus hadde rett!”
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game?page=12
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hey all. long-time lurker & harvard undergrad here, where the ratio is just about 50/50 and almost every male’s situation boils down to one of 3 possibilities:
1) “harvard married”: beta dude finds a marginally attractive 6 and holds on for dear life. these relationships typically flourish in the beta male’s sophomore year, and end at graduation.
2) “john harvard”: semi-alpha (typically an athlete, with lower intelligence/higher testosterone) bangs almost every single 8 and up. never in a relationship, they’re happy to just trade the girls amongst each other.
3) “cambridge cocktoucher”: porn, porn, and more porn – unless of course a random hurrying/scurrying asian 5.21 takes a liking to them in their math class, in which case they transition to “harvard married” status.
there’s no “dating” here – you’re either alpha, married, or masturbating so furiously that your cock is glowing red-hot.
its nasty out here. if your kids ever have the misfortune of being accepted, bribe them with whatever you can into attending a different university. bankrupt yourself if you must.
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Is College A Poon Nirvana?
Of course it is. Why does this question need to be asked?
So many sweet little girls away from mommy and daddy for the first time! They feel like experimenting.
But if you’re a beta bitch-boy I guess no place is a poon Nirvana. Not even marriage, heh.
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My mother went to college in the early 70’s when many women still did not attend college and the ratio was something like 5 men for 1 woman. My mother was very attractive and had many men interested in her. I actually think it gave her a somewhat inflated view of her attractiveness. She still talks about how great her early college years were. You guys today definitely have better odds, enjoy it.
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I understand that the college sex-ratio imbalance has its origin in the enrollments of community colleges and open admission state schools. Competitive undergraduate colleges can’t afford to let the imbalance get out of hand.
The national sex-ratio enrollment average is used as the hook for the article, allowing the women to bitch about their dating lives/prospects. Women’s propensity to hypergamy leaves the same alpha males with the same harem-like prospects they’ve always had. The answer to all the bitchiness is: so what else is new?
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That article pretty much confirms my life experience. As a young, naive 18 year old, I went to a 60-40 female liberal arts college thinking my odds would be pretty good. Nope, if you’re socially awkward and have no idea what you’re doing, you won’t get laid no matter what the number are.
College game is a social circle game where you have to develop a reputation quickly. Unlike cold approaches, there isn’t much a chance for trial and error.
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@Harvard
Yeah, it’s pretty much the same at my place: if you aren’t in a fraternity, fuck off.
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””””’My prediction for the future should this kind of college campus nonsense continue? The hot chicks will be more willing to share (and likely at the same time) rather than settle for betas. The culture of Harems is around the corner.
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It has been like that for a long time.
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In the Darwin festivities last year I attended a talk by Peter Hammerstein, and he said supply and demand simply does not apply in the sexual marketplace. Anisogamy + sex ratio theory = supply and demand doesn’t apply = sexuality belongs entirely to women and male sexuality is worthless everywhere. You can’t escape this reality by going to college.
[editor: yes, i see what you’re driving at, but it’s not entirely accurate. male sexuality isn’t completely worthless because men have been known to turn down sex from fat, old, or ugly women. i’ve had chubby women hit on me and i rejected them. so men do have standards and that will affect the sexual market.]
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@wouldeye
do the frats at your school throw closed parties? the state schools ive had the pleasure to visit have all been open-party policy places – all comers welcome, but only friends of the members get to drink the good stuff. fun times, most guys can get some ass with just a touch of game.
the problem at the ugly H is that our version of fraternities, called “finals clubs”, throw closed parties. they’re only for members & whatever females they invite – which is, of course, the entire 7+ population of harvard, plus the 9s and 10s from other boston-area schools (bc, bu, tufts, etc).
so, on any given thursday, friday or saturday night, the most attractive females have all been stripped from genpop, and if you try and throw a party, you’ll be left with fatties, mousy acne-scarred asians, and badly groomed indians.
its a disaster.
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Yea when I used to walk this college freshman home to her dorm from my apartment when I was in high school the chicks in the dorm would be in there windows staring at us come in at 2 in the morning. I used to wonder where their lives were. I mean like 20 chicks watching from windows when I dropped her off. It could have been because of the guys staying virgins till married. I don’t think the woman had the same asperations or if they did they did everything but fuck. So go to a catholic university and clean up. It was like the twilight zone. Then they would I guess gather around her to hear the details and call me satan lol
So some drawbacks that was also my first false pregnancy after her “friends” convinced her to do it to see my reaction of whether I would say yea I’ll man up and support the kid lol. Great learning experience which did save my ass in future examples.
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http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/09/a-theory-for-why-latvian-women-are-beautiful.html
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@Harvard:
I’m a first year at Dartmouth…same thing here, maybe even worse. It must just be the price we all pay for the quality of the education.
1. The sex ratio at Dartmouth is poor if you’re a male. It’s something like 48-52. Girls have the numerical advantage.
We all know how badly that type of situation usually ends up for guys.
2. As with most Ivies and other elite schools, girl quality here is not high. What results are inflated egos. 6’s and 7’s who’d never stand out at a state school play hard to get like 9’s and 10’s here because they can. Their egos are huge, and they know they’ll get away with it for 4 years.
There are lots of good looking guys here(oversupply actually, especially of athletes). The girls know the dudes have few options. There are no campuses nearby to hang out at(Harvard lucks out in that realm being in the ultimate college town).
You end up with good looking guys getting stringed along by high ego 6’s and 7’s all the time. Like harvard said, these guys hold on for dear life. Hell, even I found myself doing this. The chicks just eat it up because they know they’re the only game in town as far as the guy is concerned.
Me and my friends deal with this issue consistently. We’re all good looking(outside objective opinions, not ours-some girls have said as much). We’re on the football team. At any state u, we’d probably do decently at WORST. A hookup here, a hookup there. But good luck even getting a girl to grind with you here for more than 5 minutes.
3. Cockblocking
The girls here not only overvalue their physical value due to beauty scarcity, they protect one another aggresively. You start dancing with one, expect it to end in 5 minutes when her friend tells her she’s “not feeling right” or “has to go”. Even if you have a wing(or two!) to occupy the rest of the set, it’ll happen.
They’re all so special that they have to protect each other at all costs. Add to this the fact that so many guys here get tainted with the stench of desperation and it just adds to the negative effect.
Sometimes you’ll get groups of girls who’ll roll into a dance party and…not dance. They’ll grind on each other for a bit, forget any guy that tries to approach. That dude has at best 3 minutes before either friend drags her away or one of your target’s minions arrives to kindly inform you that you’re not wanted.
A scenario like that at UNC? Where decent looking girls will GRAB guys and dance with them because they’re so DTF? Dream scenario here. Its that uncommon.
4. Youth
All of the problems above are augmented if you’re a freshman here. Hypergamy is law among all women, but Dartmouth girls take it to a higher level.
As a higher beta(probably a 6 on the roissy scale, 7 on a good night with alcohol) I feel I could do ok at a typical state U even as a freshman.
Much harder here. If you’re not at least a 9(true higher alpha), you will enjoy grinding dry spells.
I don’t know if harvard’s relationship types exist here. There are VERY few true alphas here who pull(a couple of my teammates among them) consistently. Even guys who I’d recognize as lesser alphas at the worst have a hard time. I’m talking about frikkin former male models with all-ivy football credentials going home alone on weekends just because its not worth the effort.
A suggestion to all PUA’s and aspiring PUA teachers: Come to Dartmouth. Train here. Learn here.
If any aspiring PUA can manage to perfect his game and pull consistently here, they can do it just about anywhere else. I’m almost certain of it.
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I’m starting to think that the shock and surprise that there were all kinds of things people I was going to school with had been doing way before I even knew those things existed….wasn’t a bad thing.
The shelf life of chicks who were letting guys down their pants at 12-13 and having sex by 13-14 so that they were having babies by the middle of their sophmore year or started junior year pregnant was a “downhill fast” sort of thing – I didn’t go to school with chicks like Kendra Wilkinson (24, girls next door gf #3 now married to football player for the Colts and new mom) who would put in the work to get their body back 8 weeks after having a baby though.
In contrast, I couldn’t date until I was 16, and college was close enough so I didn’t have to live on campus thus was not interested in the college social scene. I married the mr., who I met at a thing for 4th of July many moons ago and had nothing to do with college. 🙂
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Ratios do matter for how we behave. I saw this first hand when living on base in the UK. Went from plenty of women for everyone to 5:1 male to female when they closed off the base to civilians. The competion between men became fierce and women cheated like crazy.
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@JLaw45
Wow. Didn’t realize it was so bad further north. I thought the general boozy reputation of Dartmouth would help out…does it get any better as you get closer to graduation?
As far as other colleges being OK to hang out at, that really isn’t the case. Unless you’re in a finals club, or want to waste hours of your day on the T into Boston (no parking & no cars @ H) so you can hang out at the Starbucks next to BC and practice your day game (and good luck doing that while trying to keep your grades high enough to not get kicked out), you just don’t have the opportunity to meet chicks from the other schools. A random boozed up group of Harvard dudes showing up at some BU frat party doesn’t go over too well either…Trust me, been there, done that.
What you said about an oversupply of good looking guys is actually the case here as well. My group of friends, when we’ve had the opportunity to go hunting elsewhere, have done quite well for ourselves. It’s just depressing as fuck to have to return to this place after good trips…
The cocktease dancing-then-cockblock is common here as well. 3-5 minutes of grinding, just as you’re startin to chub out, and you’re done. Forget a number close, or even getting the chick’s name if you haven’t met her before (rare, but occasionally there are attractive females you haven’t yet seen).
There are a few true alphas here, pulling consistently. Lots of lesser alphas working their asses off to maintain the visage – many end up taking home their alpha buddies’ leftovers.
Re: PUAs training in the Ivy League. If you can do it here, the world is your fucking oyster.
Ever since that article dropped, I’ve been dreaming of transferring to UNC…pathetic, sure, but it would beat the hell out of this shitpile.
But hey, at least we’ll work for Goldman, right?
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More women = more chances. Just be sure to be worthless, no-morals bastard… nothing leave you pussy-less like having character. Bill Clinton didn’t need it, you don’t either.
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BTW, aside from the sex, what is so attractive about women again? When is the last time you had a conversation with a woman that was marginally interesting? The older I get, the more boring women become.
Sex is a commodity, bought and sold everyday like pork bellies. For a beta male, sex will always be about an exchange of material resources for sex. There is not much free sex for a beta. Face it, and pay up front. It is a LOT cheaper. And, it will give you the right frame of mind when you meet women. They are just not special.
A beta should read up on sex techniques. It can’t hurt. Getting a reputation for being good in bed has to help.
I think Roissy pointed out that men who have success with women are far poor cynical about women than men who don’t have success with women.
The situation is clear. Have a successful life. It may include a lot of women, it may include few. Most women are not worth bothering with, aside from the sex.
Don’t get married. Repeat. Don’t get married. You will have the last laugh.
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Kids, read this article:
“6 Personality Traits to Admire and Acquire,” by Brett Blumenthal, Shine on Yahoo, 28 January 2010,
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/life/6-personality-traits-to-admire-and-acquire-576756/
They’re what women admire, but not they want (as in “want it long and hard”)… shallow, emotional reasoning being what humans do (just grab some good sounding/looking crap, all that glitters is gold). Worthwile is boring and too much work, it’ sorta “fixated” and icky– why bother? With our defining-deviancy-down decline in values over the last forty years, it’s not enough to be a ballsy forthright dude who stood-up for something to get respect (and women) because being an anti-social deviate who looks/sounds good makes that being a pussy, sucker, chump, etc. Read up kids, don’t do what the article says and, above all, don’t get caught (gettin’ caught is the worst loser behavior you can commit nowadays).
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This is the most sensible and accurate analysis of this situation that I’ve read anywhere, including the NY Slimes piece that you analyzed.
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1. The sex ratio does help quite a bit. A substantial slice of non-alpha guys with some attractive features will do fine in college. Beyond a certain point though, if you’re unattractive enough chicks would rather share an alpha, or be alone.
2. The favourable sex ratio only applies to less academic institutions. As the Harvard and Dartmouth guys have noted, it evens out the higher you go.
3. More academic institutions have uglier chicks. I have attended both University of Toronto and York University in Toronto and the latter, though a completely crap university, had tons of hot women.
4. Dumb chicks are usually not that pretty either, so my tentative theory is that female beauty tends to be found in the middle of the IQ spectrum, though leaning to the high side. My wild ass guess is tha somewhere in the 100-120 range is the sweet spot.
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As I’m sure your aware, Roissy, if we put intelligence on a bell curve, there will be more women around the centre and more men towards either end, with the average intelligence for both sexes being equal. That is the reason there are more women than men in college, because the grading system favours women – it gives no advantage to the men at the top end of the curve. You just can’t give a mark higher than A+/100%.
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Doug has it.
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That Jeremy Pham character sounds like he’s just one small step above the Virginia Tech Killer Asian and George Sodini level.
I’d keep an eye on him.
Speaking of which, I wonder if East Asians’ very high ethnocentrism evolved as a response to external male encroachment. The Arctic environment of the proto-Mongoloids selected strongly for betaness, so presumably this would have made them vulnerable to encroachment by outsider males who would likely be relatively more alpha. So perhaps ethnocentrism evolved as a response to this.
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Arpagus:
the little i read up about Hammerstein, it seems that he developed the concept of ‘biological markets’ back in the 1990s. did he recently change his mind?
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@ harvard
I heard that Harvard is just crawling with jews. That’s got to make it that much more unpleasant.
A lot of guys there just try to tough it out for 4 years, right? Tough it out through the relative dry spell, and then hope for better action after graduating and rolling in the dough somewhere?
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It gets even more amusing:
Something Doesn’t Add Up for the Women of the ‘New Math on Campus’ Story
http://gawker.com/5468601/something-doesnt-add-up-for-the-women-of-the-new-math-on-campus-story?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gawker/full+(Gawker)
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……………so, on any given thursday, friday or saturday night, the most attractive females have all been stripped from genpop, and if you try and throw a party, you’ll be left with fatties, mousy acne-scarred asians, and badly groomed indians.
its a disaster……………
LMAO…now that is a nice description!!
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”””””There are lots of good looking guys here(oversupply actually, especially of athletes). The girls know the dudes have few options. There are no campuses nearby to hang out at(Harvard lucks out in that realm being in the ultimate college town).
You end up with good looking guys getting stringed along by high ego 6’s and 7’s all the time. Like harvard said, these guys hold on for dear life. Hell, even I found myself doing this. The chicks just eat it up because they know they’re the only game in town as far as the guy is concerned.
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Your telling me guys going to harvard have no future time orientation lol wtf they are stuck in a box. They can’t think outside the box come on now man.
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Speaking of skewed ratios:
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/tech-swordsman-was-upset-295336.html
The ratio of men to women at Georgia Tech is somewhere around 70% to 30%.
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@ Peter A
Got to agree with you. It’s surprising how much money can go towards the beautification process. The slavic chicks for the longest time were akin to that snaggle toothed, frizzy haired, wallflower found in every middle school classroom. Girls that either didn’t fathom the impact of clearisil, or bought into the whole idea that a guy gets turned on by their college prospects for some reason. Long story short, the slavic girls are learning to turn their newly manicured beauty into a commodity, without the ultra-conservative sense of entitlement that US girls sometimes hold up (which is really a moral shield they throw up to let all but the prettiest boys give them anal sex) Take in point all of the hot slavs taking over porn, most of those girls, oddly, have the natural beauty that few US girls (except ones on drugs) would ever contemplate sacrificing for the disgrace of having sex on the Internet. The only other american girls that dive into porn often have schizo tattoos and only have any leverage due to their 7-8 looks. And why would US chicks even bother since they have hordes of males providing them jobs, happiness, pleasant words all in the name of getting their attention. The slavs are acting like the Ugly Betties right after getting transformed by the fairy godmother.
The whole thread line behind this blog is the effect of status on our feelings of well-being. Right now US gals in particular are rubbing their egos into oblivion. In doing so they’re creating a mass of bitter, sex starved men who despise the fact (and rightfully so) that their younger sexually thrilling years were spent in seclusion as the females pondered over the 3 guys who made state. The slav girls appear to be in the transition phase, a la, during the 60’s and 70’s in the US when contraceptives became available and the average man still had first dibs on the job market. Meaning that women, for a short time, didn’t exclude the more average guys from the sexual experimentation (first base, second base… etc.) Just talk to guys who were teens in the seventies, some were true nerds, but most were the apple corn stock that nowadays wouldn’t get a cheeky squeak on the dance floor from these selfish girls.
What these girls are doing is robbery. Robbing the average guy of euphoria, self esteem and manhood for flimsy dreams of sleeping with a tattooed superman. There’s less of a reason now than there was in the 70’s to deny casual sex from a guy (condoms anyone?) but the hot chicks are pouring all their, and everyone else’s sexual energy down the drain simply because they’re always looking around the corner. Leaving everyone miserable. The 70’s drug harems and now the Ukranian porn stars, that is the balance of hottness, choice and availability (just remember to share ok?) that kept the females happily subordinate and the 10s in rotation to keep the males from getting supremely jealous as what’s happening now.
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Maybe this is just bias as an omega jerk, but it seemed to me from my empirical observations at State U, that the “alphas” as defined by Roissy above outweighed the betas numerically. It seems to me at least that ordinary betas did not have it so bad at college.
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“nothing leave you pussy-less like having character.”
And taste. And self-respect. And a desire to have a conversation afterward. And not wanting to be drunk a lot. And having any thoughts in your head other then “pussy, pussy, pussy, more pussy!” Are these all signs of a beta?
To bang-bang 598 women by age 25; that’s the highest achievement imaginable by a real alpha.
Honest to God, who would be so damn obsessed with “Game” except for a former resentful chump? Sure we all had frustrations, but if you can have a few girlfriends and get some decent sex before 25, why would you need to be so concerned about banging a different hottie every night? And why the need to pose or brag about it?
Love Roissy’s dispatching of pretty lies, always seeking deeper wisdom, but I got’s me no respect for the “I’m an alpha, I bang more 10s then you!”
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And I’m not “George.” Slip of the autocomplete.
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“sexuality belongs entirely to women and male sexuality is worthless everywhere.”
arpagus, dead wrong, my friend.
Imagine a sex pyramid, much like a food pyramid.
Alpha males are at the very top, chased by attractive women (in the middle), and a soup of beta males/fatties is at the bottom.
This is an oversimplification of course, but you get the point.
Roissy is dead-on with his analysis.
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So there’s this hot Russian blond at my school. 7-9/10
She is either very shy or a total ice queen since she doesn’t seem to make eye contact with anyone. I see her around and try to make eye contact but she usually looks away very quickly or just stares down at the ground. Her entourage ranges from total fuglies to decent 8s. She is never the center of attention tho which leads to me to think that she is reserved.
Can you explain this? Is there a chance or should I just move on… I’m really done with brunettes and would like a blond Russian for variety.
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@ stephenson
1. Yes, Harvard is overwhelmingly Jewish. Last I heard, their representation in the undergraduate population was something like 30-40%. The number of “normal white kids” here that aren’t 1) athletes, 2) admits from “geographic diversity states” (Iowa, Utah, Wisconsin, etc), or 3) sons and daughters of wealthy/powerful people/alumni is pitiful. It definitely affects the atmosphere at the school – neuroticism etc – but I’m not sure if that’s just a byproduct of a shitload of ambitious people packed in one place.
2. Most guys, after first term freshman year, realize that they’re in for a long, cold, and harsh winter. The few smart ones get “harvard married” (described in earlier post) to a 6 or 7 – they might be total betas, but at least they’re getting their dicks wet. The rest hope to get “punched” by finals clubs in the fall of their sophomore year (its essentially like rush for fraternities, but with a whole lot more pompous assholery). The vast majority don’t make the cut, and spend the ensuing three years developing the fast-twitch muscles in their forearms.
The hope is that after 4 years of a shit life, you’ll come out making a bundle in NYC, LA, SF, or right here in Boston doing something in the finance-industrial complex, going to some sort of legitimate grad school (MD, JD, PhD), or at least gainfully employed at some Fortune 500 in a management fast-track program.
When it doesn’t work out (and for the class of 2009, it REALLY didn’t work out) alot of guys end up mentally, physically, & emotionally destroyed.
@gunslingergregi
If you could elaborate re: future time orientation, I’d appreciate it. Not sure what you were trying to get across there.
@wow
It really is that bad. Additionally, there is a growing population of chubby to outright obese Asian chicks out here – I don’t know what the fuck is going on but its totally unacceptable.
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So there’s this hot Russian blond at my school. 7-9/10
She is either very shy or a total ice queen since she doesn’t seem to make eye contact with anyone. I see her around and try to make eye contact but she usually looks away very quickly or just stares down at the ground. Her entourage ranges from total fuglies to decent 8s. She is never the center of attention tho which leads to me to think that she is reserved.
Can you explain this? Is there a chance or should I just move on… I’m really done with brunettes and would like a blond Russian for variety.
Stop being gay and someone with knowledge please answer.
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@Harvard
That’s what the Tufts girls are for. Take the Redline over to Davis Square, and hit up The Joshua Tree.
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“King”
She sounds shy.
Go after her. But in a game way.
Push and pull. Shy girls often respond really well to dominance if you don’t totally scare them. The secret to that is not avoiding being dominant, but rather afterwards reassuring them. Push and pull.
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Chuck:
No, I don’t think Hammerstein has changed his mind. The mating market is still a market, but an asymmetric one where the balance of sexual power is so skewed in favor of females that the law of supply and demand does not apply. Here is a link to what he basically said: http://books.google.no/books?id=aVh9jtWbG0wC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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I have an interesting perspective on this as the father of an 18-year-old HS senior girl applying to lots of colleges (including Harvard and Dartmouth).
(My personal history: MIT, married the day before I graduated to an MIT woman a year younger; married 28 years, 4 kids; would rate myself as a 7 from natural endowments, 8 if I make an effort, though my nerdiness at the time would knock a point off that for non-MIT girls; my wife would have been a 9 at MIT due to the female scarcity of the time if she had been interested in dating, though 7-8 by more common college standards; never needed to learn game as I got lucky early despite my beta geekiness)
So the message I take away from this article is that dating is dead, and if my objective for my daughter is to find a school where she has a good chance of meeting a potential husband and avoiding toxic relationships, it should be in a town where her selection isn’t limited to the campus hothouse.
Since we’ve raised her right my main worry is her being stuck in an environment where after a couple of years she might get desperate with frustration; if there is a reasonable selection of men about she can be trusted to pick good ones and avoid losers, abusers, and men with a negative view of marriage.
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””””negative view of marriage.”””’
Well yea she doesn’t have to worry about it so much since she can fuck up and still move on keeping her freedom if she so chooses. Little diferent for a guy.
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Not a very polite thing to say to a father who has expressed the concerns I just did; but your comment is not only offensive, it’s also wrong. One of the themes that has been discussed on this thread is how women who get involved in campus hookups damage their own prospects (in addition to suffering emotional turmoil when the men won’t commit).
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@harvard
The frats at my place have open parties, but the alcohol policy on my campus is such that you have to be friends with a brother to get booze (or slutty looking) and even then it’s iffy.
Anyway, the girls at these parties are bitches and the first thing they want to know when they meet you is, “So, are you a brother here?”
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Roissy,
Ive developed a little theory on why women profess to hate game. Ive floated it somewhere else, but dont know if you have seen it.
Here goes:
In primate groups, the males fight each other to find out who is the alpha. This is especially true amongst baboons, who can have harems of 25-30 females. The young male baboons almost “train” for this time by being active eating all that they can in the forrest, climbing up and down trees getting at the most nutritious vegetation that they can find beforehand (which is like pumping iron and eating a lot of protein is to humans). Sometimes losing males go back into the forrest and will challenge (and kill) the established alpha later on. The alpha is easy for the females to identify. He is the one who defeated all the other males.
With humans in bars, the alphas are usually just the most confident men, physically and verbally. The most annoying shit-stain in the history of the internet said on another forum for the men there to, “please accept that some women are really out of your league”. I think even that lying-supernaturally-irritating woman revealed something very personal there: Betas……..please don’t act confident, PLEASE. The reason? Its hard to really physically tell many alphas from many betas. Any guy above a 5 with solid game can probably pull off a good alpha act efficient enough to throw the wiring on girls below an 8. A guy who is a physical 7 or 8, can commandeer the finest poon. Game allows men who truly aren’t alphas amongst other men to trick women into thinking they are, and they are infuriated about it.
I also think there is a subtle martial component to game. Confident men make women feel safe. Women think they are badasses, even if theyve never won a fight in their life. The primal checkpoints a guy probably marks in a womans gina-tingleceptor probably get marked off in this area despite herself. Ever notice how when a woman is in love, she simply will hear nothing bad about the man she has fallen for? I mean he can be a half-employed, broke, borderline alcoholic and she will make excuses for him. There are none who are so blind as those who will not see, and evidence of the fact that he’s not really an alpha will be ignored for a long time by a woman who has commited to be in love with him.
I also think that women are more competitive in certain areas than men and really feel the need to win out over OTHER women in the competition for the males they as a group decide are most desireable as a way to one-up each other in group settings. Some of the betas disdained at UNC publically are privately thought of by the same girls as “not all that bad”, and if some of the disdained betas showed up on campus holding hands with asian girls, the white girls who disdained them would clench their mouths in duckface acting as if it didn’t bother them, but would gripe privately about things like mail-order brides, etc.
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The_King
My school (University of Alaska Anchorage) is filled to the brim with Russian students and they all exhibit very similar behavior. I think it’s cultural.
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“One of the themes that has been discussed on this thread is how women who get involved in campus hookups damage their own prospects (in addition to suffering emotional turmoil when the men won’t commit).”
You’re clearly misunderstanding what is being discussed here.
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Caller: Sir, I am schocked by the kind of advice you are giving! Do you have daughter?
Tom Leykis: No, I don’t. I have other people’s daughters.
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@The_King, @Kodorowski
For whatever reason, in Russia, game has devolved such that if a girl even smiles at a random guy on the street, he takes it as an IOI… and it can get really out of hand. From what I’ve heard, nearly all Russian women are forced to walk around with a scowl on all the time just to avoid getting raped.
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”””””So the message I take away from this article is that dating is dead, and if my objective for my daughter is to find a school where she has a good chance of meeting a potential husband and avoiding toxic relationships,”””””
So your sending her to school to find a potential husband material and she has assets like being a woman.
Did your wife work more than part time?
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Your concerns are not really valid. If she is a good girl she my make a couple mistakes but if she jumps on the cock carrasel then that would be her fault. Any mistakes she makes can be easily made to go away should she choose to make them go away. The pill abortion giving a baby up for adoption whatever are all her choices. If she wants a guy she could probably get one in the form of a nerdy guy with no competition.
If you had a son then yea you could be pretty fucking concerned because it is a minefield almost literally for a man except you don’t get killed you just lose chunks of freedom at a womans potential wim.
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Polymath — Georgia Tech, Carnegie Mellon, Cal Tech, Toledo, all have favorable ratios for women: about 70% guys, 30% women.
She can have her pick of guys there, with the caveat that they will be extremely nerdy and science/math oriented, high IQ and thus lower in testosterone risk-taking and ATTRACTION to women. Not so many Motocross and X-games guys in other words.
I would avoid Harvey Mudd, it being part of the Claremont Colleges which are kind of overrun by Greeks and such.
I would discourage her from getting a degree in Computer Science, stick to something like Electrical or Chemical Engineering. EVEN BETTER if she can get into the Air Force Academy and hack the life there.
Air Force grads, assuming their eyesight and aptitude is good, can become pilots. She won’t be an F-16 jock, but could fly tankers and supply aircraft like the C-17, easily transition to the airlines as a commercial pilot. The guys in the Air Force Academy are generally pre-selected to be: High IQ, High Testosterone, general (not always but mostly) high character, and the gender ratio is very favorable.
She takes risks (military life even in peacetime can get you killed, if she marries a military man there he can get killed), but would come out with no debt, a valuable skill, and instant credibility as an officer and pilot. Even the Airforce Academy is rough though. Life there is spartan and brutal.
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You might be curious to hear the Thai massage-girl version of the false pregnancy scam. After the guy is on the emotional hook, send him an email or tell in person if he’s still in town, that you need a few hundred bucks for an abortion.
I didn’t fall for it and didn’t pay.
Until she was pregnant. Then I hacked her email and saw she told a few other guys that they were the dad.
I dropped her off at the clinic, went out on a date, and left her there to find her own way home.
Thai girls will drive you nuts.
Funny thing was though, even though we were both seeing other people and treated each other like shit, we couldn’t keep our hands off of each other. Strong as hell chemistry. I saw that girl for a year, if I recall. She’s the reason I don’t want to go back to Thailand. You’ll get similar stories repeated endlessly. Girls trying to eat men up – and even if you turn the tables and hear, as I did from this one “Daddy, why I love you? You no rich, you no handsome. Why I love you Daddy?”, even if you do turn the tables and game the gamer and not lose one inch of pride or territory, they’ll still drive you batty.
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If college is a poon fest … well this guy threw it all away:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204575039150739864666.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Ye olde “My Dad doesn’t want us to get married. Let’s runaway and do it anyway” trick.
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Oh, I forgot to add that when the girl was actually pregnant that at first the girl refused the abortion, and insisted on keeping the kid. She also was trying to get the other men to play father.
It was only after I contacted the other guys and gave them a heads up, and refused any part in playing dad, that she realized she had no other option but the abortion. It took her a little while for it to sink in that she could not influence me, and this is where the man’s mettle is tested. Will he buckle to social expectation and pressure from the girl? Or will he say no way – I’ve got a passport and will use it?
Sometimes the best way to influence someone is simply to alter their options.
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whiskey,
Why do you care for a group that does not care about you? Why are you trying to save the unwilling? Let them suffer the consequences of their actions.
You owe nothing to a group that treats you as a nonperson.
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@ Ivy Leaguers
Harvard grad here, was also an athlete, your only hope to stay sane is traveling to as many different schools as often as you can. The farther you get from Harvard, the more effective the H-Bomb is.
I had absolutely zero game in college but still had incredible girls down south throw themselves at me when where I went to school casually came out. It was all pretty surreal
Your other hope is to get an in at a BU or BC sorority, befriend a fat chick and get set up as a blind date to their functions, very hard to go wrong there. Find a cousin or loose acquaintance from high school who knows SOMEONE at either school, and then go along for a sports game then coast along the parties afterwards
BC sucks to get to on the T, but there’s a very convenient bus that leaves right from the square and takes you straight there
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You do realize that you’re complaining about the weather, don’t you? It’s senseless to pray to God for a sunny day, and it’s a waste of energy to bemoan the rain. You either do something about it, or you don’t.
And you do also realize that you suffer from the same sense of entitlement as do the women you complain about? They are entitled to the top 10%, and you are entitled to them.
The solution is simple for young men. Date older women in your early twenties. They are very appreciative, and very educational.
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Advocatus — It cost me nothing, and perhaps might make the father happy. That’s all.
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It’s not game. It’s GRRRRLLLLLL POWER!
See, women Declared War in Russia to. Ever wonder what would happen if Women Declared War and men didn’t show up to protect the poor little dears?
Well, what you just talked about happens. Those women can’t count on any protection from the men around them, so they have to be really, really careful.
Unlike TV movies, women don’t “kick the but” of men. They may be able to hurt him, may be able to get away, but they are going to be horribly hurt by any real fight. Without other men protecting them, and the Police Officer With His Hand On His Gun, women in Russia are simply being forced to be really careful.
And they are the ones responsible for it. Feminism really cool now? Bet not.
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responding to gunslingergregi:
**So your sending her to school to find a potential husband material and she has assets like being a woman. Did your wife work more than part time?**
Listen, the subject of this thread is male-female relationships in college. OF COURSE there are other reasons she will be going to college, but on a thread where the subject is male-female relationships in college, that’s what I am discussing, and it’s not unreasonable for me to express a preference for her to be involved with men who are potential husbands rather than those who are not. Idiot.
**Your concerns are not really valid. If she is a good girl she my make a couple mistakes but if she jumps on the cock carrasel then that would be her fault. Any mistakes she makes can be easily made to go away should she choose to make them go away. The pill abortion giving a baby up for adoption whatever are all her choices. If she wants a guy she could probably get one in the form of a nerdy guy with no competition. **
It doesn’t even occur to you that she might have a strong moral objection to abortion? It doesn’t even occur to you that telling a father “don’t worry about your daughter making mistakes, they’ll be her fault not yours” might miss the point? The degree of social cluelessness and verbal ineptness you exhibit suggests that the excellent education available on Roissy’s blog is beyond your capacity to absorb or use.
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A here is an example from America:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/04/03/2009-04-03_subway_rape_victim_comes_forward_after_s.html
Mrs. Entitled Princess felt she had a right to ride the subway at 2 AM in the morning wearing headphones and writing in a book. In other words, with absolutely no awareness of her surroundings at all. NO effort made to protect herself. Why should she?
That’s what men are for!
She so lacked awareness, she didn’t even realize she was in trouble till the man touched her! Physically touched her!
Of course, she did run…. and a man saw her in trouble and pressed an emergency button that alerted the police that they were needed at the station.
Of course, he SHOULD have, unarmed, left the booth and fought the (armed?) attacker. Sure, if the attacker had a knife he would probably have been killed, but that is a price Princess would be willing to pay!
Anyone here think if he risked his very life to protect her Princess would have slept with him?
I’m thinking no.
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responding to omarion:
**“One of the themes that has been discussed on this thread is how women who get involved in campus hookups damage their own prospects (in addition to suffering emotional turmoil when the men won’t commit).”
You’re clearly misunderstanding what is being discussed here.
**
Oh, I don’t think so. I think that in a thread with over 100 comments, covering a wide variety of points of view, responding to someone who identifies one of those points of view as “one of those themes” by saying they are misunderstanding the discussion shows either a failure to read competently or an inability to grasp the difference between understanding something and agreeing with it.
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Polymath
Yes, and it’s also discussed that the anonymity provided by modern urban life diminishes or erases the effect of reputation.
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My link didn’t work:
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/02/settling-for-mr-good-enough.html
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Z, if I’m understanding you right, you are saying that women want to keep the betas beta. They want class distinctions. And that they want the betas to be sexually starved; the betas are not sexually irrelevant, they are a class to be kept down and starved access to sex.
Did I get that right?
If so, it jibes with the dual mating strategy of women. Women herd together to manipulate a group of men into feeding them bananas, while secretly fucking the top dogs and pumping out Alpha kids.
Women collude to create betadom. They love betas for the bananas.
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responding to whiskey:
Thanks for the info; but she’s applying to schools strong in both science and liberal arts rather than math/science/engineering type schools with a high M/F ratio.
She won’t have any problem attracting male interest wherever she goes, whatever the ratio (in HS she had plenty of male friends but no serious BFs because of the maturity gap; in college this is bound to change).
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If that were true, what you’d see in bars would be women caging drinks off of chumps who they don’t fuck, and then turning around and going home with the bastard who insulted her.
Do you want to be the banana guy, or the skittles guy?
I disagree with the Whiskey hypothesis that men are violent and women are making themselves in danger to sexual predation and violence by violating the beta-marriage contract. Beta men will not en masse opt out of caring for women, leaving women dangerously vulnerable. What men do is adapt by learning to not offer bananas.
Of course we still want to fall in love and have sex with women. We just don’t offer expensive weddings and high priced wedding bands as often anymore. We learn to be skittles man.
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responding to xsplat:
**Yes, and it’s also discussed that the anonymity provided by modern urban life diminishes or erases the effect of reputation.**
The damage the college hookup culture causes to future mating prospects does not primarily come from the effect of reputation; it comes from emotional scars, dysfunctional behavior patterns, and lost opportunities.
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Gun
Women completely enslave men, sometimes. Sociopathic bullies devour his entire life, with no hint of remorse, only an endlessly hungry appetite to feed.
Men, toughen up and lose your sense of moral obligation to women. They can and will enslave you.
Don’t fall for the baby trap. Don’t fall for the marriage trap. Get married and have kids only if it’s what you want, and then treat the wife as a subordinate, never completely trust her no matter how much you yearn for the comforts that can only be provided by romantic bonding and an ally for tough times, and for heavens sake keep your finances in a state that they can’t be robbed from you.
Women will steal years and years of labor from you. It’s in their genes. They all share the succubus gene.
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Yes.
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Whiskey
You must really get a buzz from your speculum probe.
You keep mentioning these correlations between IQ and testosterone and risk taking, with no references. You just pull it out of your ass – over and over.
Also, it’s not until IQ about 150 that you start to have social maladaptive problems, and that’s caused largely by social isolation, and is mediated or eliminated if the high IQ youth grows up with true peers. You completely exagerate the autistic traits and how they are correlated with high IQ.
Your entire worldview is no more reality based than is an anime cartoon.
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My journey to the dark side (sanitized version)
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/why-i-started-using-escorts/
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Essentially everything the other guys have said about Harvard’s social life is accurate, particularly the note about the monopolization of attractive girls by the final clubs, which are closed to male non-members, except in rare circumstances. Also, by the way, if you think you are getting a job at Goldman Sachs, you are kidding yourself.
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Roissy: When I saw this post on my mobile last night, I lamented that I could not get a comment in until the morning because I’d left my laptop at work.
At all cost, please edit your post so it does NOT accept the radical feminist premise that college coeds aren’t – in the absence of women’s studies propaganda – looking for older businessmen with nice cars (Georgetown coeds looking for men who make the world turn in US government agencies for instance).
The NYBeta Times article deliberately left out the idea that women in such ratio environments would only be more inclined to date successful businessmen graduates.
Are you saying that 20 year old women will NATURALLY prefer to share a caddish, video-game-playing 20 year old cock than to have 32 year old wealthy “lets go to the Caribbean this weekend” cock? No – That attitude comes from Women’s Studies courses. PUA is garbage. MRA is everything. MRAs would work to discredit Women’s Studies courses.
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The #1 goal of feminism is to make it seem impossible that a young woman would ever consider dating an older male.
To have such a long post and thread without discussing that coeds would often prefer men in their late 20s and 30s, only plays into feminist hands. I have recently dated Harvard coeds because I was older and more interesting than Harvard undergrad males. But the majority of Harvard coeds are radical feminist trained (poisoned) and the goal of PUAs is to become MRAs and try to stop the poisoning of young women by women’s studies propaganda.
Harvard and Dartmouth men here are confirming two things I know:
1) There is a feminist problem in the USA, taught by women’s studies faculties, and men of all ages have to abandon PUA in favor of MRA. An MRA rightfully blames outside forces for teaching women to behave wrongly, rather than blames the man for not being “alpha” enough (being good at PUA and being “alpha” are secondary to being in the presence of someone not brainwashed by a women’s studies course).
2) That even the best looking undergrad males are NOT scoring on the college campuses when the coeds are dreaming of 30 year old successful businessman cock but not allowed by their feminist peers to admit this.
It is in all men’s interest to reverse the unnatural American hatred of older males and the societal cockblocking of the older males paid for by $1Billion per year in VAWA federal funding to feminist organizations that give campus organizations and faculties their marching orders. Since this cockblocking hurts even the younger men, all men need to be less PUA and more MRA (mens rights advocacy).
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Seems that some men’s sense of frustration coupled with an innate feeling for justice lead them to conclude that women will get theirs in the end.
Unfortunately, the uncomfortable truth is that justice is blind. Inhuman. Unfathomable. The doers of evil sometimes profit, full stop. Uncomfortable truth indeed.
If men truly want to give retribution to the unconscionable impulses that are lately so active in women, we needn’t wait for the social meltdown.
Want to make a hypergamous women squirm? Get a woman who uses men for profit to utter in exasperation these words:
“I don’t get it. You ain’t all that. Your not attractive at all, and you don’t have any money. How come you are dating all these girls? Look, just stop dating them and I’ll give you all the sex you want”.
THAT is justice. THAT is revenge. Fuck with her head.
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Oh, and of course chuckle politely in response to her statement, as if it’s absurd. Because it is.
The only retribution to women who game men is to game them back twice as hard. Assuming they’ll get theirs in the end is wishful thinking. A lot of sluts do settle down into a satisfying marriage. A lot of women who practice serial marriage theft die rich and fucking the pool boy. If it’s retribution you want, you’ve got to play her game harder than she does. Game the gamer.
You can have a surprising amount of fun and friendship and intimacy with someone you don’t trust.
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I just read the tons of posts about the UNC article. NOBODY among the Americans posting talks about coeds and professors or coeds and local successful businessmen.
The feminists must be so happy that the issue is framed exactly the way they want it (their #1 hatred is that of older men having fun with younger women). The NYBTimes reporter is being raked over the coals for basically saying coeds are sluttier now…no older males are raking him for being so beta as to not have had an interest in himself or older men like him bedding some of those “desperate” coeds himself. For that he is a BETA.
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Here is the moderation code problem that I hope Roissy fixes: If I post before subscribing, the post has to be moderated with a 12 hour delay and, thus, may not ever be read by those getting notification emails from those whose posts are not moderated. But I cannot subscribe without posting. So I have learned to make a throwaway comment at first, in order to get subscribed, then the comment I want people to read can be written…but even that has to be too short to really get a point across (getting a point across mostly involves providing detail and examples).
Solution: Allow more unmoderated comments especially from those who are known not to be spammers. Comments with links are probably not spam. Let them in without moderation at least from known entities.
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One track jack?
You haven’t convinced me that sexual relations are a matter of popular vote, and that feminists or any group of gossipers have a large influence over who fucks who.
If some sociologist graphed average age disparity of sex partners over the years, my guess is you’d see something of a constant, with mild variations that don’t project towards the doom you portend.
I just don’t see that society is as socially created as you do. Older men will continue to have sex with younger women, as always. I do. I did. I will.
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You do because you live in Southeast Asia and I do because I live in Eastern Europe. It is nuts to say US culture is comparatively friendly to older men’s interests. You and I live overseas for a reason. Roissy – who is only slightly younger than we are – failed to even imagine himself on any of these college campuses as, of course, did the NYBeta Times reporter. You and I would not leave ourselves out of the equation like that. Doing so is a win for the feminists. Do you disagree that the NOW considers age difference relationships a major issue? Of the Letterman Joke, they said “We believe he meant Bristol Palin but the imagery of a 34 yr old with an 18 yr old is violent”. Notice the young men here are not complaining that the coeds are ignoring them for richer grads in nice cars which is what I complained about when I was a college student. Times have changed for the worst in the USA because feminists have indeed molded society the way they want it. The good news is that it would only take about 10 years to reverse this if we can get their funding cut off and their media outlets bankrupted.
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You do because you live in Asia. If you lived in Chapel Hill you might find 10 coeds wanting to share one 20 year old video-game-playing cock instead of giving you a chance because their women’s studies courses said you were the patriarchy and it is “icky” to fuck an “old man”. Ideological conditioning does change behavior. That is why you live in Asia and I live in East Europe.
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It is a fundamental problem with PUAs that they don’t think the main problem is the real feminist influence on society that DOES change young female behavior for the worse and DOES hurt young males almost as much as the older males who are the main target of feminists (who are mostly aging women who want the older men to be toilet trained – brow beaten – henpecked – to stay with them).
The idea of institutionally sanctioned rude behaviour is to force males to be grateful and loyal when a woman does deign to pay a man attention. The feminists realize that female power rises as men complain that women won’t talk with them. We are seeing good looking alpha males from Harvard and Dartmouth actually showing Roissy’s theory to have a major hole in it: in that it is NOT the fault of the males for not being alpha enough and not having behaved in the right manner to get pussy – but the fault of either a man-hating ideology being taught to these women in their first year of school and/or that the women are naturally attracted to older men but cannot admit it because of the said man-hating ideology considering that the worst way for a woman to think.
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Jack, I’ve only been in Asia for the last 8 years or so. Does it count as dating younger girls if at age 35 I was still dating university students?
Local Asians girls don’t date men my age. They only date old westerners.
Think about that.
The reason is not cultural – it’s about status.
In the US or any other country, if the old man has status, the girls will date him.
It’s not about what their friends think about dating old guys. It’s what their friends think about the old guys status.
As soon as western men are no longer considered high status, young asians will fuck the old westerners at the same rate they fuck old locals – about the same as what you see in the west.
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Of course sexual relations are politicized in the US and a matter of a popular vote on various levels. The Harvard student above is a victim of feminism and a misandric groupthink. And he is a Harvard man. It is worse for an older outsider trying to get pussy at Harvard and I say that as someone who has succeeded at that a few times despite the blisteringly hostile conditions set before me by various levels of culture starting in Cambridge and working its way up to DC. I have had more than one American sorority girl tell me she couldn’t date me because her sisters were against older men dating one of them or “a non-Stanford student” dating one of them. At any moment Fox News could start a campaign against “good Republican women dating older men” and there would be repercussions to older men. People are that dumb. Look at the Cougar movement where they want to make it stylish to date younger men while badmouthing older men- look at LemonDrop.com (sponsored by AOL.com) where over the hill mid thirties women slam older men and say they have damaged sperm while trying to believe they are still sexy to men in their twenties. Should we not shout loudly that men should cancel their AOL accounts? Believe me, even though I have done rather well finding exceptions to the rule in the USA, culture is about 90% of the influence on women in terms of how they decide to behave toward men and even nice girls (like the Russian women at the Alaska college) can find themselves thrown into a culture where it is OK for them to be mean and throw away their youth being so. I wouldn’t bring my foreign gf to live in the USA among feminists at Harvard.
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I don’t want to polarize our discussion into a battle of nature versus nurture. I agree that culture is influential. My contention is only a matter of degree.
I imagine that you see ideological wars fought out in print, and that you assume that the public face of propriety mirrors who is actually fucking who.
I’ve made my point by example: high status westerners face no practical constraint to sexing up young women. What the sorority sisters are complaining about, in my interpretation, is not the mans age exactly, but that his age is a reflection on his status. So we agree that culture is influencing her decision. But no matter what culture says, the substrate of women valuing status will always make it such that an older man with high status can not be denied his appeal.
I see the difference between the Asian and Western attitude to age differences being due in large part to the fact that westerners enjoy a huge status advantage over the locals.
So we do agree that the public face of propriety is influential, but I disagree that it’s worth even bothering with, when instead you can focus on raising your status and game, and get the young girls anyway.
I disagree in the degree of influence of social propriety, not the kind.
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I assumed XSplat was an old westerner. Yes, status is about as key as stature (decent appearance, fresh breath) but the US feminists have given ALL men less stature via the women’s studies courses, incessant media indoctrination and legislation that makes men second class citizens. The feminists control much of what women consider to be “status” and their goal is for women to see no male has having status.
When I made 6 figures in Silicon Valley, young women did NOT hang out in fitness clubs or around the pool at my apartment complex despite the common knowledge that guys like me and the Google founders lived there.
Feminists made it so young US women do NOT hang out in 5 star hotels hoping to maybe meet a millionaire. After 9-11 young US women did NOT hang out where they could meet the brave soldiers they *said* they respected so much for going to off to fight terrorism (note how few US women are in Doha where Iraq War fighters tend to go for a week on leave).
The Harvard man above does NOT indicate that any gorgeous women seek guys like him out. Why not? Because the media is feminist and married beta controlled and tells the young women to pursue their own careers and/or put all their eggs into one basket (be friends with only one male throughout their 20s and have no backup).
Roissy might consider fighting the dying media culture more and raising himself as a media figure in the new world.
Roissy just made the Weekly Standard as a thought leader for men. He needs to rise and I hope he brings more MRA thoughts with him as opposed to the standard “men are to blame if they don’t get pussy” PUA attitude.
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I mean, look at it this way, Jack. Do Catholic girls have less sex girls brought up in liberal households?
What people say they do, and what they actually do, are barely related. Catholic girls, I’m told, are so easy, because they get turned on by sex being sinful.
What is taboo does not in real life translate into action.
Visit a traditional Muslim village in SE Asia. Find out the gossip of who is fucking who. It’s just like anywhere.
People don’t do what they are told. They do what they can get away with.
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Or put it another way. Show me a cultural influence on the number of prostitutes per capita.
You won’t find that propriety has any degree of effect. You won’t find less prostitutes in Iran than in Australia. Sure, there will be differences between countries, but the driving factor will be economic more than cultural. You think ultra conservative Malaysia has any less prostitutes per capita than ultra liberal Canada?
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Or put it another way. How effective are abstinence only programs? Just say no anti drug campaigns? Anti porn campaigns?
If even outlawing behaviors makes no impact on their prevalence, why are you concerned about a few tongue wags?
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Yes, but you write like a man who is under 40 and hasn’t seen the full weight of age discrimination used against him when he himself still desires females 18-21. Believe me, game gets better with age so that the age itself becomes the bigger factor to be concerned about. There comes a point where learning how to be a better PUA is much less important than being in a culture that doesn’t hate older men. It is a given that, as a 50 year old, I *never* admit to being older than 37.
I do well because women in Europe believe I am only 35 or 37. Overseas that is OK but, in the USA, I had to pretend I was 29 when I was 40 in order to get 19 year olds in bed. I don’t think I could pass for 29 now at 50. In the Nature vs Nurture argument, one can say that it is natural everywhere – regardless of feminism – for women 18-21 to reject men they think are older than 40 but the US feminist and evangelical Christian culture has artificially changed that to the need to reject men older than 30 or 35. One might think this 5-10 year difference in perceptions between Americans and Europeans (or Americans and Asians) is minor but, for men in their thirties and men like me who look like we are in our thirties, it is huge and WILL make the difference between whether an thirty something man (or a young looking older man) gets laid or exercises his forearm muscles.
Because men tend to always prefer 18-21 nobody how old they themselves become, a non-feminist society would construct itself (meaning the old billionaires would construct it) so there would always remain plenty of opportunity for older men – at least rich older men. US Beta Billionaires have let the ball slip on that point and Rupert Murdoch is the worst offender (he is almost guaranteed impotent physically). It is Beta for an older male billionaire to promote or tolerate a society where women 18-21 would reject him.
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Two comments: First, “Pham” is an Asian name, and Asian males’ difficulties getting it on with girls are well documented. Consult the articles by Steve Sailer (you’ll have to search through his archives, but if you don’t know Sailer, this will be a great opportunity to discover one of the greatest fonts of common sense writing in English today) as well as the old mothballed website, “Bitter Asian Men.”
1. Sailer: http://isteve.blogspot.com/
2. Archived Bitter Asian Men: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://bitterasianmen.com
Second comment: To the poster who found the idea of Harvard unpleasant because he “heard it was crawling with Jews”, you should at least do yourself and us the favor of why the presence of large numbers of Jewish fellow students unpleasant. I suspect it is something like the following: You, as I would guess, a white gentile, come from a racial group that has an average IQ of about 100. Your own particular IQ, of course, we know not. Jews at Harvard, overwhelmingly Ashkenazi Jews, have an average IQ of 115, by *far* the highest of any identifiable group in the world. It is statistically likely, as you no doubt know, that in such an environment you would therefore be cognitively outclassed and outshone on an almost daily basis, an experience that many people find difficult to bear under the best of circumstances.
At the far right end of the Bell Curve, Jews are HIGHLY overrepresented, because of the way the normal distribution works. It is these people you will have to deal with at a highly selective institution like Harvard.
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Abstinence only campaigns have greatly damaged my life personally. I had several US gfs who were mentally damaged by them and I know I missed out on dates with many gorgeous evangelicals in the Sacramento area because they were brainwashed badly (huge Ukrainian church there where they say no kissing before marriage). Those assholes teach women that AIDs goes through condoms and men are more likely to have disease the older they are…and masses of young women believe this, making a real difference in socon local areas.
Men need to get on Twitter and Facebook and blogs and tell the Republican Party to STOP that unconstitutional federal funding of that nonsense and drop the Family Values Nonsense that keeps half of all men from voting GOP.
Both Republicans and Democrats hate men who might pay for sex. Remember the $5 tax on strip joints in Texas last year? US males are being arrested for agreeing with a gorgeous female cop to go to a hotel room (no proof he would have gone through with having intercourse itself). 21 year old males are branded sex offenders because their girlfriend was still 17 when they turned 21. That has to be stopped and bloggers and Twittterers have to speak out for once. Of course it has a MASSIVE effect on the availability of poon for money. Who would order an escort sight unseen? But the anti-male laws have forced the industry into being a sight-unseen order an ugly escort model that 99% of men won’t bother with.
Sure, there are workarounds, but look at how the Republicans and Democrats forced Craigslist to stop letting the “sex slaves” and “trafficking victims” advertise themselves.
Then these laws have also allowed the BS phone sex industry to flourish. Men are such desperate fools that, if you set media tongues wagging and introduce more laws against the erotic industry, the men will actually start paying $8 per minute just to TALK with fat women on the phone. That is how stupid the lower class men are.
Believe me Xsplat: the Feminists and their female “Christian” allies are destroying America – policies and media control strongly influence what men get in bed – and that is why I will not live there.
PUA only helps a man swim in the rough and polluted waters. MRA (getting laws and media changed) and/or moving abroad helps a man swim in clean and pleasant waters.
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BTW, the Bush State Department (taken over by feminist neocons) succeeded with its $15 Billion campaign to blackmail foreign countries, like in Eastern Europe, to ban prostitution. This had a huge practical effect on the ground. You almost cannot find a prostitute in many of these countries now. The American busybodies have had an enormous effect on these societies – Ukrainian men are shellshocked about how George Bush blackmailed their government into taking away their access to poon.
You’ve never lived in a town where gorgeous prostitutes were there one day and rounded up, arrested and shut down permanently the next? When that happens, it doesn’t matter that they’ll probably be back 20 years later when the pendulum swings again.
The busybodies tried hard to get the foreign parliaments to include clauses in those laws that would criminalize American men for trying to pay for sex with the women there (this coincided with their getting IMBRA passsed to prevent men from meeting the women via other avenues).
I wish Roissy would link to some of these videos where the smarmy American male beta assholes beg foreign “women’s groups” to enact those criminalization laws.
Legalizing prostitution in Germany came with a poison pill clause = no women under 21 allowed to work in places with hot running water (effectively making it illegal for smart men to partake of 18-20 yr olds). German men will tell you that this “legalization” basically made it all illegal because 18, 19 and 20 year olds is what the men wanted to pay for.
Little clauses in obscure laws can have a massive effect on men’s sex lives. I completely disagree that life for men cannot be too greatly damaged by feminists.
One great thing about Roissy is that he is NOT Marc Rudov.
Marc Rudov was considered the defacto the leader of men a few years back (apart from Glenn Sacks at GlennSacks.com who is everyone’s hero).
Rudov is now 55 years old and STRONGLy believes in dating women his own age, often pushing the idea that senior males should seek out female CEOs. He is against marriage and talks the talk on PUA and MRA seemingly well, but his hatred for men who date younger women discredits him as a leader…and Rudov would have nothing to say against the encroaching anti-john laws that make prostitutes innocent but their johns criminals. Try saying “these feminists are just barking up a tree” if your career is ruined because your full name was publicized for having committed a sex crime (agreeing to go to a room with a gorgeous undercover cop).
He argued men’s rights and against Valentines Day with Lis Wiehl on Fox News (He Said She Said) in 2007 and he always won the online poll…but he pulled his punches because he was clearly sexually attracted to the 40 something feminist witch who always disagreed with him (Wiehl) – and SHE was promoted to a six figure Fox News anchor position while he was given NOTHING financially for his efforts and reduced to being invited (rarely) by Wiehl to debate with her on HER show.
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Go for it, if that floats your boat.
After leaving the US I stopped trying to be politically aware and active. I found that the more politically aware I had been, the more angry I was. I was in a constant and simmering rage.
It’s not worth it to me, personally, to be socially active. I couldn’t give a flying fuck. I’m happy, and getting mine. I’m a practical man, and I simply don’t share your concern or optimism, nor see the struggle as anything but a sideshow.
If it’s young girls you want, there are easier ways to get them than by fighting harpies and polital systems with twitter.
If I had lived during communist russia, I would not be the one handing out anti communist pamphlets. Maybe that would be you, and I laud your efforts. I’d be the entrepreneur selling contraband, who kept an extra apartment for fucking his side girls, while staying home with the main squeeze. Rather than reform the system, I’d find my way withing it.
In the end, was it my kind or yours that led to the fall of communism?
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bed-pounding nights and tearful morning-afters with the sexily oblivious men who would forever haunt your memories and your heart.
Haunt. Great choice of words.
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By the way, Jack, you are only 6 years older than me.
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Just to pre empt your next Beta of the Month award, watch a show called Bridezillas.
It’s probably on youtube somewhere.
Any single one of these women’s prospective husbands makes any single one of your Betas of The Year look like tucker max.
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I swear I will never post again without proofreading and rewriting first.
I should have said: Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115. What I said before amounted to “those Ashekenazi Jews who attend Harvard have an average IQ of 115” which is not at all what I intended.
Also, I should have inserted the words “telling us” in the appropriate place in this clause: “…you should at least do yourself and us the favor of why the presence of large numbers of Jewish fellow students unpleasant.”
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That Bridezilla show is amazing.
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“The good news is that it would only take about 10 years to reverse this if we can get their funding cut off and their media outlets bankrupted.”
In a budget crunch, eliminating all kinds of funding suddenly becomes possible.
Just a thought.
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@ RoissBeef
Hopefully you didn’t misunderstand me- I was just responding to stephenson’s question about the Jewish population at Harvard. 30-40% sounds about right – I made no judgment as to how it affects campus. I’m a believer in HBD, and fully understand why so many would end up here. Anyways, the Kosher dining hall has by FAR the best food, and is open to all undergraduates, so no beef with the Jews on my end haha.
@ another harvard student
The Goldman comment was a joke…i guess nothing works on the fucking internet…you see the slaughter at recruiting this year?
@ Puma
Thanks for the tip. Best night to hit Joshua Tree?
@ Polymath
Honestly, send your daughter to Harvard if she gets in. She’ll have a cocoon of frenemies to cockblock the advances of almost every male, and if she’s even moderately attractive, will have her pick of the men here with the highest potential. Remember, the business school is just across the river, and the law school’s campus is wedged in a few minutes’ walk from the freshman dormitories.
@Jack
Were you dating current Harvard students? Or recent grads…I’d like to hear more if you can share
@ Matt Damon
Yeah the off-campus trips are pretty much the only time non-club members can get a decent lay…I’m not sure when you were here, but the BC blind date hustle is a no-go…they’ve all paired off with different finals clubs to supply their boytoys. Haven’t been down South yet, but looking forward to a trip @ EOY. Any recommendations?
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Jack, I like your insight that a big motivator for modern feminism is to prevent younger women from considering older men. But I think you’ve got your villains mixed up. Conservative and religious elements in American culture don’t have a problem with older men going after younger women; they have a problem with MARRIED men going after other (and usually younger) women. This is what bothered the founders of the modern feminist movement too, but they overgeneralized and went about systematically denigrating and reducing the status of all men.
Get away from the college campuses and the liberal cities, where there are social forces working to stratify people by age, and into the rest of the country where much more mixing occurs, and you’ll find that age is a relatively minor influence on status, and status is what matters.
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Folks are always trying to erect barriers to anything good in life, it’s just a natural rule of economics. If you are an adult man, you can count on plenty of people to tell that you do not qualify to date the women you are most interested in on the grounds that you are too young; or too old; or that you aren’t a Harvard student, or whatever.
As with everthing else, persistence and cleverness go a long way towards circumventing those barriers.
In the case of a 40 year old guy who wants to date 20 year old girls, the solution is pretty straightforward — you just approach women at times and places where they are not with their posse of friends.
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Jack
rudov is not attracted to liz wiehl thats just nuts
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That’s cool so any useful suggestions on approaching and dealing with Russians besides Roissy’s post?
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I just wonder why such disdain for computer nerds/geeks. because they inherently beta? So what? game is made by betas for betas, and rumors seems it was invented be geeks as well (CalTech)
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@The_King, I think the reason you don’t get many responses to you’re questions is that they are too open ended. Not much more detailed than “I met this chick and I want to fuck her, what do I do now?”
Hardly a question at all – more of a shared yearning.
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Max, the new theory of why women disdain betas has been seen here, for the first time. It is that woman create a class of betas, to server their material needs. They create them through deliberately starving them of sex, and demanding commitment and resources in return for sex. At the same time they give sex freely to the top 10% of men.
I believe this is the first time it’s been put this way. Women don’t merely have a dual sexual strategy, but they deliberately create a class of men for the purpose of getting labor from them.
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Of course by “deliberately”, I mean it’s an evo-psych instinct that they act out on. They naturally band together as a sisterhood and cockblock.
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“They create them through deliberately starving them of sex, and demanding commitment and resources in return for sex. At the same time they give sex freely to the top 10% of men.”
For the theory to be comprehensive, you have to define the marginal difference between the last guy in the alpha group and the first guy in the beta group. 😉
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I re-read the article, and the part about percentages caught my attention. WHAT IF she wasn’t wrong about the percentages she was talking about? It would go like this:
“Out of that 40 percent [of men on campus], there are maybe 20 percent [A FIFTH OF ALL MEN, 8% of total population] that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent [A TENTH OF ALL MEN, 4% of total population”
This presents an even harsher reality for betas.
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Game?
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“Game” is too broad a definition.
The first guy in the beta group has much better game than the last guy as well.
What level of game, or other factors is essential?
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@JB, huh?
My theory and insight is merely a rewording of existing theories and insights. I offer no new facts, just look at it from a different angle. And what an aha moment it is!
We’ve all heard that women ration sex as a group in order to make their pussy a commodity, in order to garner the labor of men.
We’ve all heard that women have a dual mating strategy, mating long term with providers while cucolding some alpha kids.
We’ve all heard how women band together and cockblock out the betas.
Now, for the first time in human history – we can see it from the angle that women act out an evo-psych strategy of deliberatly creating class stratification, in order to garner the labor of men.
It’s women who create betas. The want betas. As a group they have an innate drive to sexually starve the betas. They want the betas to be sexually hungry. They don’t want to see the betas get their sexual fill. They gain power when betas are starving for vagina.
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Since Valentine’s day is coming up…. ultimate beta gift:
http://www.hugegram.com/
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And it is for this reason that I say the greatest revenge upon hypergamy is to be old, ugly, and offer no money, and still make young women under the powerful spell of your voodoo.
Gaming the gamer, gaming the game, winning at life.
Women are running a racket. It’s a monopoly and a collusion. Any system has weaknesses that can be exploited. If it’s possible to hack Windows how much easier is a mere girl?
The fact that women love alphas becomes their weak point. Makes em easy peasy to exploit.
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”””’on February 12, 2010 at 3:33 am another harvard student
Essentially everything the other guys have said about Harvard’s social life is accurate, particularly the note about the monopolization of attractive girls by the final clubs, which are closed to male non-members, except in rare circumstances. Also, by the way, if you think you are getting a job at Goldman Sachs, you are kidding yourself.
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lol who needs a job at goldman to make it. I was on track with a guy from goldman but I started later.
””””’have an average IQ of 115””’
Are you serious 115 average at harvard?
Well maybe that is the problem if their average is less than mine lol
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Lots of self-defeatism in this thread.
Yes, at more elite/engineering schools at the sex ratio is more even or slightly more male than female. Yet those good schools are also heavily asian or herb, a large male contingent of whom spend their weekend evenings playing COD4, so on any given night there will be more college females going out than college males. This is true of the urban mid-20s crowd also.
I’m not in a frat. I live in an urban area where all those rich professionals steal “our women”. Most of my classes are cockfests. Somehow, my 2009 numbers were amazing.
As whiskey and others have pointed out, the beta shut-ins are not alone in their plight. However, I hope for their own sake that they get laid soon. Bitches can smell a bitter beta from a mile away.
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xsplat:
I didn’t say I reject the theory — it seems to explain observable reality quite well. I’m interested in expanding and completing it.
If it’s correct, we should be able to offer a well-defined boundary between alpha and beta.
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Well that’s what my “huh?” is for. I don’t understand why you need a well defined boundary. I athleticism well defined? Beauty? Intelligence? Wealth? Social prestige?
They are all measurable and quantifiable. That women want men with the most of the most requires no boundary. To some women, a man will be attractive, to others, a beta. A poet won’t cut the mustard to a biker chick.
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”””””on February 12, 2010 at 12:24 pm sabril
Folks are always trying to erect barriers to anything good in life, it’s just a natural rule of economics. If you are an adult man, you can count on plenty of people to tell that you do not qualify to date the women you are most interested in on the grounds that you are too young; or too old; or that you aren’t a Harvard student, or whatever.
As with everthing else, persistence and cleverness go a long way towards circumventing those barriers.
In the case of a 40 year old guy who wants to date 20 year old girls, the solution is pretty straightforward — you just approach women at times and places where they are not with their posse of friends.
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Or maybe by owning a hair salon or 10.
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”””If it’s correct, we should be able to offer a well-defined boundary between alpha and beta.””””
Alpha get things his way beta doesn’t.
Beta adjust himself to reality.
Alpha adjusts reality to himself.
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””Sabril
As with everthing else, persistence and cleverness go a long way towards circumventing those barriers. ”””””
Or maybe by owning a hair salon or 10.
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Like I said before life is so easy if it where a video game would people even play.
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“I don’t understand why you need a well defined boundary.”
A theory is only as good as its predictive value.
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Although, JB, if it’s true that Alphas tend to produce more alpha children than betas, and that this is one reason women cuckold an alphas child, then it’s also to be expected that we have real genetic classes, much like the social insects have castes.
Those with a genetic pre-disposition to risk taking, those with a genetic predisposition go high testosterone, would more likely chose the cad lifestyle, which would be more likely to be perceived as alpha, if all that risk taking paid off. High risk, high reward.
So by this point in human history, betas are likely more than a social construct created by the womyns. They are likely also at least partly a set of physical psychological predispositions that lead to particular life strategies – conservative, authoritarian, liberal, risk taking, etc.
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Well, JB, what about the theory of general intelligence and how it relates to success in life? There are no clear boundaries there, only correlations that are statistically relevant. IQ is predictive, but not with clear boundaries.
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If you made it into an elite school and can’t figure out how to get some pussy you should drop out and live on the streets for a while to help you grow a pair of balls before continuing your education.
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Here is what my theory would predict:
Take any group of 10 men and 10 women.
Standard Roiss style social theory would say that most women would fight for the 3 most attractive men in the group. Let’s leave out how women judge who is the most attractive for now, and assume they group think themselves into hive-mind consensus of who the it-men are.
The Roiss view might go so far as to say that women will suss out the alphas partly by asking them to buy drinks. Whoever buys a drink is not an alpha. Whoever pays is beta provider, who can be toyed with and played for all he’s worth.
My theory goes further to say women will hive-mind about who the betas are, and collude to keep the betas down. That way they can be suckered daily and for life. Or until they learn.
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@Z -you are mistaking the map for the territory. Women do not have some logical calculator in their heads which says, “ew, Betas.” It’s entirely hard wired emotional reaction. Since women privilege emotional noise over rational thought, it’s all about their “intuitions,” and it bothers them knowing people can easily game their chicky psychic powers, just like the shoe salesman does. The way it plays out in their heads, “creepy guys” with game can get down their pants (in man language, “betas”), and it would screw up their “authentic” feelings of wub. IRL, when they meet someone good at game, it doesn’t matter if they know it is Roissy himself; if he makes their hoo-ha wet, it must be genuine!
You are correct though, that women have very strict social status hierarchies they are consciously aware of. This is why you should never been seen in public with an ugly chick, but holding hands with a hottie is chick catnip.
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xsplat,
If what you are saying is true, the system will only work as long as most men marry or have kids. Once that stops, they lose interest in playing the game.
I think japanese grass-eaters are one response to that problem. Game is another. As I said, it only works until most men have a reason to care or work hard.
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“live on the streets for a while to help you grow a pair of balls before continuing your education.”
Why? You’d be surrounded by poors. And poors are disgusting.
And Roissy’s view of college is odd. In reality, it’s all about being in the top tier group. A lesser dude in a tier 1 social group will always get higher tier tail than the leader of a lesser social group. Something anyone who actually attended college would realize.
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You could say that the principle of social proof has an opposite. A wedding ring will turn a girl on, not just because that man has proved his fitness, but because he’s safely not in the category of the shunned, who must be puppeted by the power of group-think-pussy.
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Xsplat: Asked and Answered:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.php
Money quotes:
“Depending on the specific age and gender, an adolescent with an IQ of 100 was 1.5 to 5 times more likely to have had intercourse than a teen with a score of 120 or 130. Each additional point of IQ increased the odds of virginity by 2.7% for males and 1.7% for females. But higher IQ had a similar relationship across the entire range of romantic/sexual interactions, decreasing the odds that teens had ever kissed or even held hands with a member of the opposite sex at each age.
By the age of 19, 80% of US males and 75% of women have lost their virginity, and 87% of college students have had sex. But this number appears to be much lower at elite (i.e. more intelligent) colleges. According to the article, only 56% of Princeton undergraduates have had intercourse. At Harvard 59% of the undergraduates are non-virgins, and at MIT, only a slight majority, 51%, have had intercourse. Further, only 65% of MIT graduate students have had sex.
The student surveys at MIT and Wellesley also compared virginity by academic major. The chart for Wellesley displayed below shows that 0% of studio art majors were virgins, but 72% of biology majors were virgins, and 83% of biochem and math majors were virgins! Similarly, at MIT 20% of ‘humanities’ majors were virgins, but 73% of biology majors. (Apparently those most likely to read Darwin are also the least Darwinian!)”
But lower sex drive and anxiety about sex’s consequences can’t be the whole story either. Half Sigma also showed that the smartest men in the GSS (approx. IQ >120) were also more likely to visit a prostitute. (Hardly indicative of cautiousness) This may suggest intelligent men are less able to find willing sex partners. Are smart men less attractive to women? Perhaps in some ways. For instance HS found that smart men were less likely to be athletic, and this paper shows, unathletic men and women have fewer sex partners. Athletic men, with more willing sexual partners are also less likely to visit a prostitute. Athletic activity gives men more masculine bodies, which are more attractive to women. A more masculine physique correlates with (PDF) an increased number of sex partners.
So intelligent people have lower libidos and less masculine physiques. What hormone is responsible for both sex drive and masculine builds? That’s right: testosterone.
And two new papers suggest that testosterone may depress IQ. One team found that salivary testosterone levels were lower for preadolescent boys with IQs above 130 and below 70. (the same two groups most likely to be virgins in adolescence)”
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Let me add, there is another one here:
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/08/09/study_iq_linked_to_virginity.aspx
As well.
Also be sure to check out the graph of the virginity rates at Wellesly. A full 0% of studio art majors were virgins, but 83% of Chemistry/Biochem and Math majors were. So Wellesly being a women’s college, this holds true for women as well.
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The guy who said that young non-alpha men (who can’t get with young women except the omega women) should date older women had the best suggestion.
A lot of the bitterness we feel toward women when they finally will let us become their beta provider husbands is that they’ve had their fun and now are settling for us. I think I’d have felt a lot less bitter if I had had 10 (or 15) years of sex with decent looking cougars.
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Yup, you betcha (met a nice 38-year-old women payin’ her way through college by stripping while I was in school).
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Jack: you are wrong about college campuses. I live next to one. It’s the only reason to live where I do. Sure, you have to demonstrate higher value and all that; it’s pretty easy for me, even at 40. It will only get easier with time: they all want to sleep with the wise old professor who takes an interest in them (not that I actually am one mind you -that would be foolish). Sure it’s easier abroad in poorer or darker countries; it always has been and always will be.
More importantly, MRA is a load of hooey. Today’s problems are all emotional. Men have become such geldings, they couldn’t possibly please any woman. A beta of yesteryear is today’s alpha male. Of course the women are worse, but no “men’s rights” group is going to change that. We’re only going to change women by becoming a nation of Tucker Maxes, Roissys and eventually John fookin’ Waynes. Not by organizing pressure groups and whining to mommy government that the girls don’t play nice. It will only happen when men grow a pair and start laughing feminism to scorn. Women are social animals and will do anything to avoid humiliation, just like Brother Lupo. Of course, American manhood are a bunch of weak nellies, so I don’t see it happening any time soon if ever. Your decision to move to Eastern Europe to have a nice life is a very logical one: I may do so one day myself.
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xsplat:
“Those with a genetic pre-disposition to risk taking, those with a genetic predisposition go high testosterone, would more likely chose the cad lifestyle, which would be more likely to be perceived as alpha, if all that risk taking paid off. High risk, high reward.
So by this point in human history, betas are likely more than a social construct created by the womyns. They are likely also at least partly a set of physical psychological predispositions that lead to particular life strategies – conservative, authoritarian, liberal, risk taking, etc.”
So women don’t so much create the alpha-beta classes but collectively discern and sort betas and alphas. In other words, in any given environment there’s an intuitive sorting process taking place, which in effect determines the boundary.
I think you and whiskey are correct, btw — the fundamental determinant is testosterone.
As I’ve said before, awareness of PU tactics, strategies, dos and don’ts is fine. But competent execution is primarily dependent on testosterone levels.
What do we know about testosterone?
Testosterone leads to aggressive, risk-taking behavior.
But…risk-taking, aggressive behavior leads to more testosterone.
There’s a feedback loop involved.
So my theory is…men who want more success with women (especially those in the higher IQ ranges with less innate testosterone) should regularly engage in activities which create more testosterone.
So the best advice for high IQ betas — get over your dislike for traditional alpha activities, form clubs if needed and practice regularly.
That could be a game changer in the wider culture.
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Whiskey seems to be on a Whiskeygeddon tear.
I’m feeling inspired.
Sung to the tune of Def Leppard’s “Armageddon It”:
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You better come inside with your high IQ
You got no chance cuz ya just can’t dance
You like 50 cent words when you’re gaming girls
But then you don’t cuz you just pissed your pants
You got it, but are you gettin’ it?
You say that love is won with a high WORDSUM
But let me tell ya, that won’t make the girls cum
You know you can’t stop it
So don’t knock it
Thugs and Chavs got it
But are you gettin’ it?
Really gettin’ it?
Alphas get it for free
Flatbillers get all the lovin (every little bit)
Guido douchebaggers on top (every bit of it)
I-bankers don’t do too shabby (c’mon, live a bit)
The hotties never want it to stop
Yeah, but are you gettin’ it?
(No, I’m Whiskeygeddon it!)
Oooh, really gettin’ it?
(No, I’m Whiskeygeddon it!)
You talked Poly Sci with a Delta Pi
But then she banged a business major instead
When will you learn that all your concerns
Just go right over all the pretty girls heads?
You got it, but are you gettin’ it?
You gotta flex your pecs like a lumberjack
All your smarts just get you a pat on the back
You know ya can’t stop it
So don’t knock it
Hypergamy rocks it
Hey, but are you gettin’ it?
Ooh, really gettin’ it?
Come here and get it for free –
C’mon Roissy, GET IT!
[guitar solo]
Take it, take it, take it from me
Dalrymple’s world is just the start, you see
Ladies, pull it, pull it, trigger the gun
‘Cos the best is yet to come, I say
‘Cos the best is yet to come…
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study_iq_linked_to_virginity.aspx
My problem in school probably wasn’t pure ‘betatude’, although I had no ‘game.’ It was that I could barely tolerate the stupidity of the cute girls, and the smart ones weren’t sexy.
I know, I know, just ignore that and do whatever it takes to get to banging. I wouldn’t do that. Beneath me.
First lover was smart as hell though, and turned out to be sexy where it matters.
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“It was that I could barely tolerate the stupidity of the cute girls, and the smart ones weren’t sexy.”
That must be because they weren’t cute enough.
Everyone has their breaking point.
The basic unconscious rationalization is “the kids will have her looks and my brains.”
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Risk taking activities in outdoor “adventure sports” is a classic-two-fer for higher IQ men.
First, it demonstrates income because the costs for kayaking or skiing or even rock climbing (taking off for five days to go live in Joshua Tree) are not cheap.
Second, it demonstrates risk-preference, and adrenaline rush. Most intuitive Alphas I know would drop their river rafting or whitewater kayaking, extreme mountain biking, BASE-jumping, and so on activities into casual conversation very quickly with girls. It worked like a charm.
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Crimsonride:
“live on the streets for a while to help you grow a pair of balls before continuing your education.”
Why? You’d be surrounded by poors. And poors are disgusting.
And Roissy’s view of college is odd. In reality, it’s all about being in the top tier group. A lesser dude in a tier 1 social group will always get higher tier tail than the leader of a lesser social group. Something anyone who actually attended college would realize.
That’s not always the case.
Something I meant to say back when Roissy posted “Sluts Are More Discriminating” was that, while it is true that loosening social mores have enabled women to indulge their hypergamous desires such that they get to have a taste of worlds leagues above their own, there is also something of a silver lining.
Since an alpha can be defined by his social dominance, and since society is fragmented into manyy different subcultures, it follows that you can have alphas in many different environments, some of which clash with each other.
The leader of biker gang would likely never cross paths with a corporate rainmaker. But now that society is more permissive, Buffy, who might formerly have restricted her hypergamy impulses to Chad Squarejaw Esq., can now indulge her inner slut with bikers…or bohemian Local Heroes…or foreign Rico Suaves, with little to none of the social opprobrium she might have received from Mummy and Daddy in times past.
Women now have the opportunity to date downwards *socially* while still having the luxury of sating their lust for alphas.
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some non-terrible advice about whom to marry:
http://www.bakadesuyo.com/what-you-should-look-for-in-a-marriage-partne
“What you should look for in a marriage partner”
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@ G Manifesto:
“el chief,
‘most bars in Vancouver are 70-30 male-female’
Is that true?
I heard Vancouver was legit. (Never been).
– MPM”
Yup. The women are super hot though. In rural British Columbia, the men stay in the paper mills, and the hot 18 year old girls move to Vancouver to meet alphas.
There are basically only two nights in this town when the M-F ratio is 50-50: Halloween and New Years.
Clubs have a better ratio at the beginning of the night (10p-12a), but the women are pretty cold in general.
Parties are the best place to meet women in this town.
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“So my theory is…men who want more success with women (especially those in the higher IQ ranges with less innate testosterone) should regularly engage in activities which create more testosterone.”
There’s a simple way to test this theory – inject yourself with testosterone or other anabolic steroids and see if your ability to bed chicks suddenly improves.
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“But lower sex drive and anxiety about sex’s consequences can’t be the whole story either. Half Sigma also showed that the smartest men in the GSS (approx. IQ >120) were also more likely to visit a prostitute. (Hardly indicative of cautiousness) This may suggest intelligent men are less able to find willing sex partners.”
Or it suggests that more intelligent men are more likely to bypass all the bullshit mind games and pay for what they want directly.
It’s difficult to find fault with that strategy.
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Yeah.
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Xplat to Whiskey:
Also, it’s not until IQ about 150 that you start to have social maladaptive problems, and that’s caused largely by social isolation, and is mediated or eliminated if the high IQ youth grows up with true peers. You completely exagerate the autistic traits and how they are correlated with high IQ.
Your entire worldview is no more reality based than is an anime cartoon.
Dead on.
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Whiskey:
Second, it demonstrates risk-preference, and adrenaline rush. Most intuitive Alphas I know would drop their river rafting or whitewater kayaking, extreme mountain biking, BASE-jumping, and so on activities into casual conversation very quickly with girls. It worked like a charm.
This is true… up to a point.
IMO, the risk-taking aspect of sports is only a part (perhaps not even most) of what intrigues women. I think what really gets the women going is the implied lifestyle and personality of such activities.
All of these niche subcultures come with their own stereotypes, often grounded in fact. And the media has romanticized and glamorized them even further.
A while back Willard Libby posted a clip of Adam Corolla that really opened my eyes about something. Corolla was talking about how women don’t want Joe Average, they want a “type”. It doesn’t matter whether that type is “motorcycle rider” or “guido douchebag” or “hipster scenester”, they just want a type that allows them to fantasize about all the movies they’ve seen. And the guys don’t even have to be good looking or have Game! As Adam put it, what these women are doing is acting like casting agents, in effect, and auditioning men to fill the role in their “fabulous” life that movies and books have told them is the “It Thing”
I speak from experience here.
I mountainbike and surf, but I’m not “””XTREME Sports Dude”””
I’m a musician who has played in bands, but I’m not a “””rocker dude”””
Up until recently, I practiced at an MMA gym, but I sure as shit aint a “””Tap-Out Meathead Dude”””
In other words, I was IN the scene, but not OF it.
And I really believe it has hurt me, relatively speaking. Sure, there’s no doubt that my activities gave me some cachet, and I’m sure I would have done worse without them. I *have* seen women’s proverbial ears perk up when they caught wind of it. But just as often (usually among the 7.5’s and up) I would see that nascent interest go cold when it became apparent to them that I really was just a Regular Dude who happened to have some skills at this or that activity.
And I would see these *same women* end up with guys “in the scene” who looked like *shit* compared to me, and didn’t even have all that much personality/Game, but they fit the stereotype of the “Surfer Dude” or whatever, or had popularity in the scene.
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I should have done so much better than I did back in college (140+ IQ and an athlete in a macho/violent sport) – but I didn’t shake my socialization soon enough.
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Crimsonride:
And Roissy’s view of college is odd. In reality, it’s all about being in the top tier group. A lesser dude in a tier 1 social group will always get higher tier tail than the leader of a lesser social group. Something anyone who actually attended college would realize.
That’s not always the case.
Something I meant to say back when Roissy posted “Sluts Are More Discriminating” was that, while it is true that loosening social mores have enabled women to indulge their hypergamous desires such that they get to have a taste of worlds leagues above their own, there is also something of a silver lining.
Since an alpha can be defined by his social dominance, and since society is fragmented into many different subcultures, it follows that you can have alphas in several different environments, some of which clash with each other.
The leader of a biker gang would likely never cross paths with a corporate rainmaker. But now that society is more permissive, Buffy (who might formerly have restricted her hypergamy impulses to Chad Squarejaw Esq.), can now indulge her inner slut with bikers…or bohemian Local Heroes…or foreign Rico Suaves, with little to none of the social opprobrium she might have received from Mummy and Daddy in times past.
Women now have the opportunity to date downwards *socially* while still having the luxury of sating their lust for alphas.
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LOL, Motivation.
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One thing I have noticed is that many men think that women owe them sex. They don’t. Live with that reality. It doesn’t change after marriage, either. Think about that, BEFORE marriage.
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The existing system must be burnt to the ground. Whatever it takes. It’s the only way to start over.
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“Corolla was talking about how women don’t want Joe Average, they want a “type”. It doesn’t matter whether that type is “motorcycle rider” or “guido douchebag” or “hipster scenester”, they just want a type that allows them to fantasize about all the movies they’ve seen. And the guys don’t even have to be good looking or have Game! As Adam put it, what these women are doing is acting like casting agents, in effect, and auditioning men to fill the role in their “fabulous” life that movies and books have told them is the “It Thing””
Spot on, my friend. I always tended to wonder why I saw the guys sorting themselves into conformist groups in HS/college when the male “conformity instinct” seems to be far weaker than its female counterpart. The real reason, as far as I can tell, is that ultraconformist women seem to crave conformity in men and fear genuine “mavericks”. They eat up all sorts of pseudo-rebellious (yet conformist) posturing in guys (oooo the rebel bikers!) but are acutely afraid of men who actually go against the grain.
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Yes, but.. the guys intelligence is so thrusting and violent and penetrative that normal human females gasp and collapse onto their knees…
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@ harvard
Not sure where home is for you, but NC has an unusually fantastic concentration of colleges. NC State, UNC, Duke, Elon, and Wake are all within at most two-hours of each other – they’re all chockfull of southern girls looking for their MRS who jump all over the H-bomb
Hit me up through the website attached to this name for more info… and I did BU for the sorority blind date thing, a few years ago when I graduated the Finals clubs hadn’t quite taken over. Although if they did it might’ve been partially my fault, I set a girl from my high school headed to BU up with the lax team’s final club (the AD mostly at the time, other half Delphic), she married one
Get the fuck out for spring bring if you can… as me and another kid who walked on with me discussed a lot – that place is not fucking normal, and is by no means an accurate microcosm of society at large.
The most maladjusted and privileged kids in America all packed into one place does not a fun college experience make.
Look into going abroad if you’re going too nuts, lots of programs that Harvard honors, you save tuition, earn marketable experience, and you get to GTFO
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Betas in general withdrawing more from social life to seek the sympathetic embrace of their computers or like-minded losers in love.
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Roissy, don’t be so hard on your readers!
You may hurt their feelings, after all.
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One thing I have noticed is that many men think that women owe them sex. They don’t. Live with that reality.
Women are now discovering, in turn, that men don’t owe THEM assistance or protection. Whether it be disabled on the side of the road with a flat tire or being raped in an alley.
Welcome to the Jungle. That is women’s new reality.
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What the fuck did I just read
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omarian said: “They eat up all sorts of pseudo-rebellious (yet conformist) posturing in guys (oooo the rebel bikers!) but are acutely afraid of men who actually go against the grain.”
Damn straight. Illusion arouses, character dispels. Having actual integrity (versus just looking like it) is scary. A successful con artist, someone who can get something for nothing, is what they want (somehow that makes him “thrifty” and a good provider).
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Markuu — No, it’s based on direct observation of more than 50 male White US born engineers I’ve worked with one way or another. Out of those fifty or so, only five were married — all to foreign women btw. One East European, the other four Asian. None of the fifty was fat, socially terrible, and so on. The fattest guy I worked with was married (a Russian born, SW engineer who married back home). And he wasn’t that fat either. Most of these guys, including some who were tall, good looking, and built, spent their Fridays alone. Very few had girlfriends. That’s not a way to run a society.
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Tupac — Too right. It is indeed a “type” that women seek. Carolla was spot-on. BINGO!
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@ Tupac Chopra
Women now have the opportunity to date downwards *socially* while still having the luxury of sating their lust for alphas.
Um, isn’t that what Stanley Ann Dunham did?
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Um, isn’t that what Stanley Ann Dunham did?
Worked out for Mr. Dunham, didn’t it?
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”””’whiskey
Markuu — No, it’s based on direct observation of more than 50 male White US born engineers I’ve worked with one way or another. Out of those fifty or so, only five were married — all to foreign women btw. One East European, the other four Asian. None of the fifty was fat, socially terrible, and so on. The fattest guy I worked with was married (a Russian born, SW engineer who married back home). And he wasn’t that fat either. Most of these guys, including some who were tall, good looking, and built, spent their Fridays alone. Very few had girlfriends. That’s not a way to run a society.
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Tupac — Too right. It is indeed a “type” that women seek. Carolla was spot-on. BINGO!
””””””
Maybe they are either gay and engineering just has a high count of them or they are too picky. If they are smart enough to become engineers then they should be smart enough to know that you can toss money at some hos and they will go out with you on friday or any other day.
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“There’s a simple way to test this theory – inject yourself with testosterone or other anabolic steroids and see if your ability to bed chicks suddenly improves.”
That’s like saying in order to test gravity I should jump off a skyscraper.
There are safer alternatives, you know.
Besides, from personal experience, it works. But personal experience scientific method.
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But personal experience DOES NOT EQUAL scientific method.
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Those are surprising stats regarding the % of virgins in certain fields of study, Whiskey.
I wouldn’t be surprised if testosterone was also lower in those groups. But I’m correct that it’s never been studied, right? There are no studies correlating IQ and testosterone in adults?
And as for risk taking, I’m not sure you can equate a lack of interest in extreme sports with risk aversion. That may a general disinterest in sports. There are other avenues of risk taking – seeing prostitutes for example.
So your premise may be flawed, or exagerated still. High IQ may or may not be negatively correlated with testosterone and risk taking. I’ve read that it is positively correlated with risk taking. What you have shown is that those with high IQ drawn to certain fields of study can barely get laid.
Testosterone is associated with lifestyle choices, and who is considered in charge and popular. Do the biology students, by virtue of their lack of perceived in-the-cool-group status and by virtue of their lack of participation in testosterone increasing activities such as sports become low T due to lifestyle choices, or does the IQ relate to low T which leads to lifestyle choices?
Regardless of the chicken and egg, if the big picture question is how a smart guy can get laid, a good place to start would be with lifestyle choices that increase testosterone. These would include anything that raises social confidence, and weight lifting, and fucking cougars regularly.
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Sooooo…
Valentine’s Day is soon upon us. A time of merriment and joy for many, I’m sure. Sadly, such is not the case for yours truly this time around:
Why no blog updates? when are the nuptuals going to be? Inquiring minds want to know…
Nuptials in May. That’s why I haven’t blogged much lately. Have been preoccupied with the preparations…
Sigh.
As I look back upon my life and the twisting turns I have made through the seedy underbelly of humanity (to say nothing of countless females’ beds), it struck me how throughout my entire ordeal, despite the questionable situations I often found myself in, that there pulsated a silent but just barely perciptable heart of longing. A longing for something…what exactly? Perhaps it was a vision of something transcendant. Or, more likely, just the all too human desire for something pure. Yes, that’s it. Purity. And what better a dream to have for someone who has walked through this world, eyes wide open all the while, only discover this mortal coil is but a snakepit of souls, full of craven deception and avarice? The world has “moved on”, as Roland says, and a pallid shadow falls across the land.
Although my musical tastes diverged radically at a young age from my father’s more rustic preferences, a certain favorite song of his mangaged to worm it’s way into my subconscious, no doubt due to many late night playings on his old turntable — scratches and pops all. A song that, of late, has been gently wafting through my memory at the most, ah, inopportune moments:
I want to live,
I want to give
I’ve been a miner for a heart of gold.
It’s these expressions I never give
That keep me searching for a heart of gold
And I’m getting old.
Clio, it’s true. I’m gettin’ old, babe. These bones are starting to ache. I’m not the spring chicken I once was.
Well, Mr. Young, I’m here to ya: I found that heart of gold. On an internet blog of all places. Only problem is, she’s twenty years too old for me.
O, that this too too solid flesh would melt…
In other news, Rush did NOT play at the Opening Ceremonies for the Winter Olympics, which was all but *verified* up until the last minute.
Somebody just shoot me already, please.
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Now this next mind leap of yours just baffles me:
I don’t see how you get from one to the other.
Do you think that society is socially engineered? That we choose how to run it?
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Do you think that society is socially engineered?
It is by those who have power.
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I think you’re onto something. I suspect it’s also about the fact that a true rebel outsider iconoclast can’t possibly have social status, because he belongs to no group.
Even physicists have their groupies. Maybe biology students need to display more social hierarchy within their groups, so that at least the top 10% of them can gather groupies also. Maybe the competition would foster testosterone production. But such posturing would likely not appeal to the scientifically minded.
And there we are back to square one – it’s the posturing within social groups that turns women on.
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Tupac, economic and even some social engineering happens, but if you look at cross cultural similarities within people of similar race, you’ll see that the same high-school cliques spontaneously form everywhere. That is not socially engineered. What Whiskey is talking about is not a question of nurture – it’s nature.
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“In other news, Rush did NOT play at the Opening Ceremonies for the Winter Olympics, which was all but *verified* up until the last minute.”
There are no lesbians in Rush. Why are you shocked?
“Regardless of the chicken and egg, if the big picture question is how a smart guy can get laid, a good place to start would be with lifestyle choices that increase testosterone. These would include anything that raises social confidence, and weight lifting, and fucking cougars regularly.”
Yeah, that’s pretty much my conclusion.
Sports, weight lifting and starting with accessible females and working your way up.
“Maybe the competition would foster testosterone production. But such posturing would likely not appeal to the scientifically minded.”
Well, obviously this advice only applies to those motivated to improve their sex life. Those that don’t want to bother…fuck them.
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@ Tupac
“Worked out for Mr. Dunham, didn’t it?”
Huh??!!? Tupac, do you have any idea who Stanley Ann Dunham was?
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I have to clarify that. My understanding is that the mind leap from the fact that the biology students aren’t getting married to the idea that this is no way to run a society, is that there is an implied linkage between the two concepts, that can be bridged by culture. The culture of the popularity of monogamous marriages, as was once the case.
I’m saying that there is no such link. That the popularity of monogamous marriage was more an artifact of technology and economics than culture. New technology of birth control and new economics of industrial and service economies and urban living have severed the link. It was never a cultural link, exactly, in that culture didn’t cause that link.
You can’t culturally engineer monogamy and marriage. It’s an artifact of economics and technology.
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There are no lesbians in Rush. Why are you shocked?
As it turns out, the whole “let’s introduce Canada by province/tribe/cul-de-sac” theme included Ontario, which was supposed to be a big metropolitan number including Rush, but they axed out of sensitivity towards the bobsledder dude who got whacked.
Rush is tentatively scheduled for the closing cermonies, so hope springs eternal.
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Too rite. Adapt to your environment or STFU.
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Huh??!!? Tupac, do you have any idea who Stanley Ann Dunham was?
My point wasn’t that the current situation was GOOD or that I advocated for it. I was just saying that as bad as things seem, what with hypergamy allowing our coveted pretties to flutter away upwards into the arms of high-status alphas, that the breakdown in social mores at LEAST allows for some lateral and downward movement for those of us who might be left holding the bag.
Not ideal for marriage purposes obviously, but being a big fish in a small pond can still get your dick sucked by a hottie.
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Maybe they are either gay and engineering just has a high count of them or they are too picky. If they are smart enough to become engineers then they should be smart enough to know that you can toss money at some hos and they will go out with you on friday or any other day. — gunslingergregi
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Gunny,
Many of them, probably like Whiskey himself, think they are entitled to highly attractive women cause they likely think they somehow ‘deserve one’ due to their high intelligence.
Believe me, I am sure Whiskey et al, male ‘hypergamists’ extraordinaire, HATE HATE HATE ‘average’, unexceptional women as much as he claims they ‘hate’ ‘betas’.
In Amerikwa, if a woman or a man think there is something ‘special’ about themself, they usually always extrapolate this into thinking that this trait should also be found sexually appealing for his or her ‘social market value’ — regardless if it is romantically desirable or not to the opposite gender.
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Some cunt:
Many of them, probably like Whiskey himself, think they are entitled to highly attractive women cause they likely think they somehow ‘deserve one’ due to their high intelligence.
Believe me, I am sure Whiskey et al, male ‘hypergamists’ extraordinaire, HATE HATE HATE ‘average’, unexceptional women as much as he claims they ‘hate’ ‘betas’.
GTFO with this shit.
It’s not the same between women and men.
Women DO have the opportunity to punch above their weight and get a taste (however fleeting) of an alpha.
Men do NOT have the same luxury. The only way they can punch above their weight is by submitting themselves to a woman as a PROVIDER BETA. Sure, the hot(ter) woman may MARRY him, but she doesn’t DESIRE him. And that’s the PRIMARY type of desire that a man wants from a woman.
So, no — things AREN’T the same.
In addition —
In times past, people paired up assortatively: 6’s got with 6’s, 9’s got with 9’s, etc.
But because of feminism, rising wealth, and the breakdown of social strictures, the whole TNA helix has been upshifted a tick or two.
NOW – the women who are “in the same league”, are the women who formerly were BELOW the man in attractiveness.
To a male 7, the woman who would have been his 7 wife in times past is now spending her time chasing 8’s and 9’s in her twenties, so the guy who doesn’t game and just tries to “be himself” will find that his new “league” is the 6’s.
In other words, men are now having to RUN in order to just STAND STILL.
So when you see men pining over the “hotties”, it might just be due to their struggling to get what was once rightfully theirs — NOT entitlement.
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Or maybe they are saving up loot to get the fuck out of dodge. Or maybe they have never had a woman and never really thought of it. Or the people more likely to be online would be people who have access to a computer not a guy out doing physical labor.
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You contradict yourself.
What was once rightfully theirs, in the past tense, means it is no longer rightfully theirs, meaning if they perceive it is rightfully theirs it is a sense of entitlement.
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”””In Amerikwa, if a woman or a man think there is something ’special’ about themself, they usually always extrapolate this into thinking that this trait should also be found sexually appealing for his or her ’social market value’ — regardless if it is romantically desirable or not to the opposite gender.”””””
I guess the question might be do engineers need woman who have a college degree as well or do they go with woman who don’t have one?
Might be something breaking from the past as well.
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Women DO have the opportunity to punch above their weight and get a taste (however fleeting) of an alpha.
Yes, this is primarily just for a ‘pump-n-dump’, not much more.
Men do NOT have the same luxury. The only way they can punch above their weight is by submitting themselves to a woman as a PROVIDER BETA. Sure, the hot(ter) woman may MARRY him, but she doesn’t DESIRE him. And that’s the PRIMARY type of desire that a man wants from a woman.
Why is it necessary for them to ‘punch above their weight’?
Like you (so rightfully) said Tupac –
In times past, people paired up assortatively: 6’s got with 6’s, 9’s got with 9’s, etc.
But because of feminism, rising wealth, and the breakdown of social strictures, the whole TNA helix has been upshifted a tick or two.
Couldn’t agree more with this, and is essentially what I said in my comment, that men as well as women desire those “out of their league” — and believe me, I completely think that women are far more hypocritical about the whole thing.
Kinda like where you get these fat, overweight proly women with their ‘college degrees’ (usually not worth the paper they are printed on) thinking that this somehow should be their ‘ticket’ to marrying a professional man of upper-middle class status.
As a former teacher, I can guarentee that I have seen way to much of this.
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Guns: you have to remember that Whiskey’s in L.A. I suspect there’s a serious geographic distortion in his sample.
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What was once rightfully theirs, in the past tense, means it is no longer rightfully theirs, meaning if they perceive it is rightfully theirs it is a sense of entitlement. — xsplat
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Yes, this can be a problem for anyone — since entitlement does not exist in the state of nature, and it can lead to a lot of disappointments.
Hence ‘modern’ Amerikwan ‘women’.
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Dating down, intellectually, takes some getting used to. I know from experience it can seem a huge letdown, in that you are not relating as a peer, to the one person you yearn most to be peers with.
I can understand why men want intellectual peers. But life is about tradeoffs and choices, not about getting what we want. Dating stupid hot young girls is a tradeoff worth exploring.
I’ve been “lucky” in that I’ve dated all types. Wise old women with incredible sex ability, stupid young super hotties, a very intelligent young super hotty, a 30 something ex college professor, a wide range of college students, and all the miscallaneous. Intelligence is good for conversation. That’s mostly it. What’s really important to me is what color is the mood in the house. What is the ambiance. What is the level of eroticism. How much fun do we have when we go out. For that, a smart girl is not required.
And smart girls bring their extra smart baggage, and want to talk talk talk about that. Smart is great, but it’s not all that great.
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xsplat:
You contradict yourself.
A person’s expectations are necessarily intertwined with their own experience, in the reality tunnel of their own past.
That is all.
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””’on February 13, 2010 at 2:13 am JB
Guns: you have to remember that Whiskey’s in L.A. I suspect there’s a serious geographic distortion in his sample.
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Yea that is true and someone pointed that out to him before he said he didn’t want to move to a better demographic. We all make choices. If you want to live there and get chicks you may have tp up hours worked for a while and get some cash or give up getting artsy chicks.
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I suspect all those guys do better in the mid-Atlantic and southern states. L.A. chicks got starry eyes, they ain’t having it with any Snerdleys.
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Tupac, regardless of if the entitlement is realistic or not, its still entitlement. A feeling of deserving something.
That feeling is fucked. It is meaningless. You either DO something to get what you want, or you don’t.
That is all.
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Tupac: that’s not fair
xsplat: life’s not fair
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””””What’s really important to me is what color is the mood in the house. What is the ambiance. What is the level of eroticism. How much fun do we have when we go out. ””””””
Hell yea the day to day shitfest drudgery of life. The every day little things that add up make it cool sometimes to be alive.
not the biggest bridezilla wedding @tupac he he he
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xsplat:
That feeling is fucked. It is meaningless. You either DO something to get what you want, or you don’t.
And what, pray tell, would motivate someone to “DO something to get what [they] want”???
Why would they feel so empowered?
Riddle me that, sensei.
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not the biggest bridezilla wedding @tupac he he he
You got me wrong Gun. I recall you lamenting that I let Clio get away, what with her being the peacemaker and all.
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Well yea but now she becoming bridezilla time to move on.
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Essentially, guys, if the majority of people, guys or gals alike, keep chasing and pining after the same numerically small cohort of exceptional men/women, they are essentially guaranteed to be lonely and unhappy as meaningful relationships rarely, if ever, materialize.
Xsplat seems to have said it well on this one — about life being a series of trade-offs and choices that are reasonably attainable.
Otherwise, you get Western people destroying themselves demographically since many of them wish to fancy (to flatter their ego’s) that no one is ‘good enough’ for them (especially so with women).
BTW, I am not a woman, but an older man who very much empathizes with the evil that ‘feminism’ (cultural marxism) has spewed on the younger generations.
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Well yea but now she becoming bridezilla time to move on.
Fair enough, but she shall remain my Platonic Form.
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Isn’t it enough to want something? Why do you have to deserve it?
I guess I’m just more antisocial than you. I have more disdain for social expectations than appreciation of them. You seem to be the reverse, and like social roles and want people to play their social roles properly.
Doesn’t seem practical to me. I guess you are more like Jack, and would rather work to get society to behave the way you want, rather than like an entrepreneur who experiments with novel niches to create new value and exploit existing markets.
Why do you have to deserve something in order to have the courage and interest to get it? If you don’t deserve it, you make yourself into someone who does deserve it.
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xsplat: have you read The Genius of The Beast, btw?
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No, I haven’t read it. Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll have to find a way to get it here in Indonesia.
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xsplat:
Isn’t it enough to want something? Why do you have to deserve it?
Who said anything about derserving?
I just asked you plainly: what is it that motivates a person to expend effort to go after what they want? What subtle psychological processes motivate them? I made no mention of deserving. But if you felt the need to project that motivation onto my question, I do think it says something about the human animal and what is involved in goal-directed behavior.
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Tupac, when you said “Why would they feel so empowered?”, I associated empowerment with a sense of deserving something, because that was the context of our conversation.
As for what motivates a person to expend effort to go after what they want, I’d guess that depends on what need they are trying to fulfill. Could be hunger, horniness, curiosity. Depends.
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These are the psychological reasons and forces that has spoiled so many an ‘AmeriKwan’ woman (and the writer, paradoxically is an ‘Asian-AmeriKwan’ woman, no less) –
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I Hate Dating in NY | Psychology Today
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“Having variety appears to be a good thing, but actually can make things more complicated”
Bloom mentions this in the book I mentioned above.
A few choices gives a sense of control. Too many choices…
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xsplat:
Tupac, when you said “Why would they feel so empowered?”, I associated empowerment with a sense of deserving something
P r e c i s e l y
Look, all I’m trying to do is dispel this notion that someone is entitled just because they want something good for themselves. To me, entitlement has the connotation that it is *owed* in some manner or another, which is not the case when a person merely places a bullseye on something they want and shoulders the responsibility of going after it.
Imagine a man from the 20th century travelling back in time to the 19th century. He would be disgusted my some of the living conditions. He might take it upon himself to sweep and disinfect the bathrooms and kitchens. But wait! Those stolid 19th century stalwarts got by just fine! Surely our time traveller is being unreasonable.
Or imagine a a first-world man moving to a third-world country (imagine that!). He too might feel the need to tidy things up a bit.
Now, I agree that there are instances where such…cultural elevation…is unwarranted, unnecessary, and indicts the man as an unadaptible nit. My point is that one’s expectation of norms is fully informed by one’s own subjective past experience and that there is no *intrinsic* standard for what is “just” or “fair”. It’s all subjective objectivity.
OK I’m almost through with this bottle of Bushmills, so I’m probably off the reservation at this point. I will stop here.
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I said,
When you say “Amerikwa” what is the “kw” supposed to mean?
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Tupac Chopra
A while back Willard Libby posted a clip of Adam Corolla that really opened my eyes about something.
Corolla was talking about how women don’t want Joe Average, they want a “type”. It doesn’t matter whether that type is “motorcycle rider” or “guido douchebag” or “hipster scenester”, they just want a type that allows them to fantasize about all the movies they’ve seen.
And the guys don’t even have to be good looking or have Game! As Adam put it, what these women are doing is acting like casting agents, in effect, and auditioning men to fill the role in their “fabulous” life that movies and books have told them is the “It Thing”
Adam Carolla Breaks Down the ‘Hot Chicks with Douchebags’ Phenomenon
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So Tupac, you are saying that noticing a superior way that things could be, and having expectations such that you think you can attain the superior way, is the motivation that can drive people. And that this is distinct from entitlement.
Whatever.
As long as people take real world actions towards attainable goals, it makes little difference what their motivation is. I just get irritated when I hear of aspirations without hearing of practical ways to get there. That brings up negative ideas, such as entitlement. I deserve better is just such a stupid, meaningless, and very often counter factual idea. Who cares if your reality doesn’t match up to your expectations and desires? Is that something that needs to be shared? Isn’t the question HOW to get what you want? Talking about how women are not playing the game properly comes across as whining about the weather.
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Xsplat,
Rather than hand out pamphlets in the old Soviet Union, I would have defected and gotten rich in New York and enjoyed the Sexual Revolution there. But, in my spare time (a man can only come a few times per day with beautiful women), I would have worked to deeply undermine the communists back in the home country (without actually betraying my country).
Now that the US feminists have won all branches of the US government (at least temporarily) and they have constructed a new Berlin Wall to keep sexually attractive women OUT of the USA (IMBRA law is just an example), I was in a posiiton during the 2000s to DEFECT TO the former Soviet empire where I am doing the modern day equivalent of a Soviet defector enjoying the pro-male 60’s and 70s in the west.
So while I place just as much value on maximizing my personal life and personal pleasure as you do…I have found that it is not difficult to spend 10 minutes per day undermining US feminist ideology to 6000 people on Twitter of whom about 25 are US Senators (only 1% of tweets get read by a specific person but that is OK).
If I could – in my spare time – get Putin or another foreign leader to humiliate Obama because of his new $1 billion budget allocation for feminist groups, it would help my status in Moscow (get me even more women) while helping me achieve my alpha desire to DESTROY the bitches’ hold on the US government and culture…again, in less than 10 minutes per day while I maintain the best life possible in a great environment.
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By the way Jack, I think I was unclear before about age – back when I was in my earlyish thirties living in the US I liked to date younger girls – 22 to 24, when I could. Not often enough, unfortunately, but a man wants what a man wants.
But back to social activism. As I said, I laud your efforts. I’d be very curious to learn how cultural changes propogate. I’d like to see some studies showing various efforts, and the eventual effects. From what little I know, people mimic their idols. So cultural influence is a matter therefore of either influencing the idols (or if you are a corporation, purchasing endorsements by cultural idols), or of becoming a cultural idol.
I understand your strategy of winning arguments in order to effect the common meme. I understand that the common meme somewhat affects peoples behavior (we’ve agreed to disagree on to what degree it affects peoples behavior). But from the experiences I’ve had posting on discussion boards and forums over the years, people very rarely change their minds due to logical persuasion. Not that it doesn’t happen, but that it’s exceedingly rare – especially concerning subjects such as the one dear to you – getting women to stop their incessant bitchy cock-blocking. Which by the way is a drive that I consider innate to the female sex – a drive as innate as lust and as primal as anger and jealousy.
I wish it were possible to guage real world social activist efforts, in the long run. Fidel was an activist, by the way – even when we get what we want, it may not be what we want. I’m babbling – I have more questions than answers.
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Xsplat,
You just repeated the fundamental thing I and many others disagree with (and what hurts PUAs in the eyes of MRAs):
FEMINISTS are the ones who say that men who stand up for themselves in Congress and the media are “whiners”.
You don’t need to play interference for them against MRAs unless you are talking to a man who is complaining from Cleveland about his horrible sex life while refusing to do anything about his personal situation (such as moving overseas first and then do something in his spare time to undermine the feminists).
A man CAN and DOES enjoy his life with women, move to places where the women are more beautiful and easier to meet (you and I did that), while – in his SPARE TIME – makes targeted moves to defeat the enemies who have sworn to defeat him…even though we men did not ASK for the feminists to come after us the way they did.
Before I heard about IMBRA, I had already left the USA for greener pastures and could not care less about US politics.
But IMBRA shows the US feminists and some misguided Christian evangelist allies are chasing after us while we are living in foreign countries. The feminists do not WANT to leave us alone. It is not just IMBRA, but the $ billions they use to blackmail the countries we move to to criminalize strip clubs and don’t get me started on the Protect Act – where you can be jailed in the USA if someone in another country lies about being 18 (there is no precedent since ancient Rome of a country that presumes to punish its citizens for what happens outside the country.
IMBRA has destroyed the best matchmaking websites by causing local foreign agencies to become dishonest (about the existence of women on their sites) and blackmail the American aggregators into going along with them or else they will tell the US feminists that the aggregators actually want to help US men meet hotties.
Sure, I am doing just fine overseas meeting women on my own and without the help of any website. But these websites have given me great relationships and QUALITY PUSSY and it is worth my spending a few minutes per day undermining the enemies who got the law passed.
If even one man in the USA would challenge IMBRA, it would be overturned in 3 days and I would lose a lot of interest in MRA. Until then, I will hope that one man who is willing to use his full name in a lawsuit will challenge.
Most MRAs are top executives or government officials who are unable to use their real names in a federal lawsuit. That includes me.
You don’t need to run interference on MRA organizing. Nobody cares that you personally don’t want to spend 10 minutes per day on MRA. Please don’t try to convince others to be so indifferent themselves. It is also wrong of you to say “Do what you want Jack” because I personally don’t have the time to do much MRA and it is better for you to be saying “I hope some billionaire funds MRA and gets men who like living in the USA to work at Congress while you and I enjoy living overseas with the babes.”
You sure seem to spend 10 minutes per day running interference that could be better spent simply agreeing that any man who is so inclined should be an MRA.
I spend less time on MRA than you spend with run of the mill comments here.
Please don’t act like the British colonel in “Bridge on the River Kwai”. The commandoes are effectively attacking US feminism now that the media is collapsing and it doesn’t help that you are pointing them out saying “What a bunch of whiners”.
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Oh yea nm I thought it was a free country before but that was all just bullshit.
””””1884 New Jersey statute Examples of states taking action because fathers were criminally responsible for allowing children to become a public charge. The New York statute punished nonsupporting fathers with imprisonment and hard labour. ””””””’
Maybe we have progressed huh whoops.
Men where always treated as wallets.
http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.uk/information_and_explanation/world/history_usa.htm
History of child support.
Interesting where were ya on that one whiskey?
Look everyones favorite 1950’s timetable. Maybe it was just because people actually watched leave it to beaver and grew up gay.
So really there never was an america that was free it was just that people had a good time looking down on single mothers so no one notices the fathers lol
””””’1950 Social Security Act Amendments of 1950 (Public Law 81-734) The law required state welfare agencies to notify law enforcement officials when providing AFDC to a child. (Presumably, local officials would then undertake to locate nonresident parents and make them pay child support).
The Uniform Reciprocal Enforcement of Support Act (URESA) was approved. (See above). ”””””’
”””””””1987 Uniform Marriage and Divorce Act 1987 (Adopted by a minority of states). Requires that child support be based in part on the financial resources of both parents and in part on the standard of living the child would have enjoyed had the marriage not been dissolved. ””””””’ lol so based on an imaginary relationship that would have existed had they not broken the fuck up.
”””””1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA) of 1996 (Public Law 104-193)
(Welfare reform law)
Under the new law, each State must operate a CSE Program meeting Federal requirements in order to be eligible for TANF funds (which replaced AFDC). This law made about 50 changes to the CSE Program, many of them major. These changes included requiring States to increase the percentage of fathers identified, establishing an integrated, automated network linking all States to information about the location and assets of parents, requiring States to implement more enforcement techniques, and revising the rules governing the distribution of past due (arrearage) child support payments to former recipients of public assistance.
Under the new law, states can implement tough child support enforcement techniques such as withholding wages, seizing assets, and revoking driving and professional licences of those parents who owe child support.
Set aside 1 percent of the Federal share of retained child support collections for information dissemination and technical assistance to States (including technical assistance related to automated systems), training of State and Federal staff, staffing studies, and related activities needed to improve the CSE Program, and research, demonstration, and special projects of regional or national significance relating to the operation of the CSE Program. An additional 2 percent of the Federal share of retained child support collections is set aside for the operation of the Federal Parent Locator Service (FPLS). Expanded the scope of the FPLS to allow certain noncustodial parents to obtain information regarding the location of the custodial parent.
Streamlines the paternity determination process.
Required all States to enact UIFSA (see below), including all amendments, before January 1, 1998
Increased its access to information and maintaining its effort to automate caseload processing. The legislation mandated that states require employers to report all new hires within 20 days to child support enforcement authorities. This new requirement was expected to reduce the delay in establishing immediate wage withholding.
PRWORA also eliminated the federal requirement that states pass through the first $50 of child support paid to welfare families. ””””””
So welfare mothers didn’t get the money anymore only the state?
”””””’1996 Uniform Interstate Family Support Act (UIFSA) (1996) The Uniform Interstate Family Support Act (“UIFSA”) was drafted to more efficiently enforce the child and spousal support orders as well as paternity judgments of other states and countries. The prerequisite to enforce another country’s orders under UIFSA is that the country of origin must have a “law or procedure substantially similar to UIFSA’s, or one of UIFSA’s precursors — the Uniform Reciprocal Enforcement of Support Act (“URESA”) and the Revised Uniform Reciprocal Enforcement of Support Act (“RURESA”). ”””””’
paternity judgements other countries watch the fuck out.
Well it looks like child support gonna be worldwide might as well have as many kids as you want starting as young as you want because it doesn’t matter you gonna get got at some point might as well raw dog them all.
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”””’Before I heard about IMBRA, I had already left the USA for greener pastures and could not care less about US politics.””””
It is not just imbra.
””””””’”””””’1996 Uniform Interstate Family Support Act (UIFSA) (1996) The Uniform Interstate Family Support Act (“UIFSA”) was drafted to more efficiently enforce the child and spousal support orders as well as paternity judgments of other states and countries. The prerequisite to enforce another country’s orders under UIFSA is that the country of origin must have a “law or procedure substantially similar to UIFSA’s, or one of UIFSA’s precursors — the Uniform Reciprocal Enforcement of Support Act (“URESA”) and the Revised Uniform Reciprocal Enforcement of Support Act (“RURESA”). ”””””’”””””’
and
””””1998 Deadbeat Parents Punishment Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-187) The law establishes two new categories of felony offenses, subject to a 2-year maximum prison term. The offenses are:
(1) traveling in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent to evade a support obligation if the obligation has remained unpaid for more than 1 year or is greater than $5,000; and
(2) willfully failing to pay a child support obligation regarding a child residing in another State if the obligation has remained unpaid for more than 2 years or is greater than $10,000. ”””””””’
yea not just imbra shit been going on for a really long fucking time.
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xplat:
Even physicists have their groupies. Maybe biology students need to display more social hierarchy within their groups, so that at least the top 10% of them can gather groupies also. Maybe the competition would foster testosterone production. But such posturing would likely not appeal to the scientifically minded.
And there we are back to square one – it’s the posturing within social groups that turns women on.
I watched an episode of Dr. House yesterday. What disgusts me about House is his incessant posturing. In real life, not even the best experts are anywhere near as infallible as he is. A few fuckups owing to arrogance would be enough to bring down anyone in a field like clinical medicine.
But females, no doubt, see House completely differently. It is obvious that nearly all of the female characters in the show are overtly or covertly turned on by his asshole act. For women, the Dr House character is the precise equivalent of what the bouncing boobs of Baywatch are for men.
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hey pac,
i usually like to read every single comment here.
you ghosted for maybe a month, and then spoiled a good hundred comments with your faggotry-slash-idolatry.
obviously
tongue-in-cheek (you were)
and… hyper-ideological, because it was there
i still love you like a brother (comrade, not a fellow black of course), but…
stop it
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The irony of the good old days that never happened. Wow fucking is there one thing that is true. I think not. You have always more than likely been able to buy some pussy just like now. Boo hoo you can’t get a woman. Those engineers are being made the focus so they don’t get caught up in the money game of cs so that they actually just keep working like good bitches.
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The media is, indeed, collapsing and PUA/MRA material is getting more and more attention.
Let’s all keep up the good work while balancing the Nature vs Nurture thoughts in our heads and runnng less interference against each other. There is room for PUA and MRA coexisting just fine.
PUAs are correct that all women everywhere secretly want sex with Alphas but it is not logical to say that a Harvard man who is complaining about a bad atmosphere is a whining Beta. He is more likely pointing out that cultural poisoning can cause 18-21 year old women to be temporarily dysfunctional with the men they would otherwise really want. @Harvard is actually pointing out that Boston has a misandry problem. It is indeed more fun for a man to LEAVE Boston on weekends rather than bang his head trying to seduce man-haters.
And the problem is that, if feminists and Christians succeed in poisoning the minds of women while they are 18-21, it doesn’t matter if the women later snap out of it and start fucking Alphas in their late 20s and 30s. The women have been ruined during their best years.
Now, while the micro (personal) solution to enemies messing with PUA is to conduct workarounds like moving or going to spring break more often, a few minutes per day of MRA organizing (even if it just includes a comment on some blog) is not something to frown upon or try to dissuade others from doing. A macro solution to dealing with our enemies is necessary.
It is also way wrong to suggest that Americans do better overseas simply because we have a relative status advantage. We do better because feminism has not encroached in many places YET. I could write a book about how American feminism has ruined the Czech Republic already and is aiming at destroying the lure of the Baltic States next. We all know how the US feminists are trying to mess with the culture of the Philippines.
On a macro scale, men are going to have to cross swords with the feminists and fight back. Sure, no individual male should sacrifice getting laid in order to fight.
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i have the same question as ‘polymath’
yet, from the opposite end of the spectrum, i wish to crush as much pussy as possible. i have decided to return to school full time. obviously, an MBA is the best ‘forward-thinking’ degree versus the workload.
my heart is kind of set on austin, texas. i’m from the tri-state and went to UG in michigan. let’s refocus this on my goals:
i want to crush mad poon as a 29 year old and get as much sloppy spill-off as conceivably possible
any academic rigor would be trivial to me, as i am not only a genius but also a prophet
ok, i’m just drunk now, but i’m serious… good (or ‘best’) mba program where this 29 year old prick can resettle to smother the innocence of an abstinent attitude….
will ask my dad tomorrow if you are useless…
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i’ve heard of indiana and wisconsin… but they are too close for me (personally) where my judgment suggests girls
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Markku
I love that show because of the way House manipulates others, and is always exactly on top of being the top dog. He uses every manipulative trick possible to always remain the highest status man of greatest authority in the group. I watch closely.
I can understand how his antics would seem superfluous, beside the point, and in the way of smooth functioning. I see it as the opposite – his antics are what creates the social authority that he requries to be effective. Each comment about cutties ass is specifically designed to undermine her and get her off balance. Each insult is specifically designed to get people to notice his wit and loose self confidence.
I aspire to be that good.
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Well if your black I would suggest the whitest college possible. If white go to the blackest college possible.
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Oh, and plus his insults create an environment of strife which heightens mental activity and through the wit of them foster creative out of the box thinking. People are constantly on edge and on their toes – therefore more effective.
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@Xsplat
Sorry the posts crossed – We don’t really have a big disagreement. And, yes, I am keeping a hottie waiting while I write this post which means I am not attending to priorities like I should. 😉
@Harvard
They were grad students. An MBA and a Medical student, the latter of whom was ridiculously young for a grad student (21) and had gone through an accelerated undergrad (maybe not at Harvard itself).
I met them on a popular dating site – a lot of the more high quality American women, at least from 1998-2004, were almost ONLY available online. I was not searching for Ivy League women nor did I live anywhere near Boston. I was already living in East Europe and I flew to Boston for the dates.
My profile seemed to impress the hell out of them because I come across on paper as both heavily intellectual and with fascinating military experience and good photos. Ivy League women do, on paper, want intellectual men as long as they have good bodies and IMHO military experience matches any high testosterone sports proclivities.
One of them was a worthwhile friend to make but I prefer East European 10s to Harvard Genius 8s. I guess you can say I am spoiled and overly entitled now.
At another time, I do remember leaving a $6000 per month job in Allston (home of BU) because the American female students there lived in the most paranoid anti-male subculture in the world. I quit the job there and moved to Riga, Latvia for much less money per month and I was HAPPY.
It might be the Boston Strangler legacy but Boston was the only city in the world where women flirting with me in a bar or restaurant would avoid saying where they worked because they had learned (from Boston feminists) that this information might encourage a man to stalk a woman.
I did well in Boston with East European exchange students…which caused me to simply move to the source of the happiness.
Boston College hotties told me they would date a man in his 40s if he was rich. That is great news, but the only 10 I met at BC was more difficult to date than your average East European 10 in her home territory. Why bang my head against the wall.
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Woah, Jack – please don’t misread me. Explaining what the cultural problems are is an important first step. It’s only whining about the weather when there is a complete disconnect from action to change the environment.
I agree that feminists and social constructivists should be fought. My discussions with you about this are mostly along the lines of thinking out loud as to what constitutes effective cultural persuasion.
I’m thinking public shaming, the way the cock-blocking bitches do. Laugh at them in public and poke fun of their fat and dress style. That kind of thing. Make the whole group seem uncool and so lower their sexual value. Women value their sexual value, and aren’t likely to trade it all away for some ideal.
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omarian said: “They eat up all sorts of pseudo-rebellious (yet conformist) posturing in guys (oooo the rebel bikers!) but are acutely afraid of men who actually go against the grain.”
We got proof.
“How to Leave a Soldier,” by Courtney Cook
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2010/01/31/how_to_leave_a_soldier/index.html
“Soon I too was caught up in the romance that comes with men who go off to war, seduced by the heady mix of youth, strength, risk and passion that makes loving a soldier so beautifully intense. … It’s a glory we can’t get enough of — until it’s gone.”
“My husband was a world away from me. … I was worn out with waiting. So I left him.”
“Loyalty and sympathy to my husband I had plenty of. Affection has abode to this day. Erotic love was different for me. More fragile.”
Give it to me, keep me entertained or it’s over. Yup. They want the milk for free, not to buy the cow. It’s all about the ‘gina tingle… if he ain’t there, toss him, get some dick who’s there and doesn’t require any effort.
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Well, now you know. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. You’ve been schooled. Don’t attempt long distance relationships.
Long distance relationships are great – for the back door man.
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Bitches want the DICK, DICK, DICK without seeing themselves as shallow orgasm-whores. Image and being the available johnson is all they (plus an excuse). Just don’t have any character on your part, that makes them feel inadequate because you can see their lack of commitment to anything but feelin’ good (excuse me, “romance” and “passion”… ‘gina tingle).
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“To a male 7, the woman who would have been his 7 wife in times past is now spending her time chasing 8’s and 9’s in her twenties, so the guy who doesn’t game and just tries to “be himself” will find that his new “league” is the 6’s.”
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And what is so ‘wrong’ with a male ‘7’ going with a female ‘6’?? At least there is a better chance that she will stay loyal to him — since the man should ideally be superior to the women in the relationship. As it is said, ‘women date up’ and men ‘date down’.
Yes, female ‘hypergamy’ can be nauseatingly unrealistic (a female ‘7’ SHOULD NOT be attempting relationships with anything over a male ‘8’, for example) — but don’t become the male version of what you are criticizing.
Phew, the elitism can just be overwhelming sometimes — from men and women.
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“(Non-hottie hypergamy usually resolves itself in buckets of ice cream or soul-crushing strings of one night stands. Do note that a woman’s right to choose ice cream takes precedence over her right to choose a beta.)”
Well then she is a fucking idiot who deserves to morph into the obese walrus she is destined to become — cause she thinks that somehow she is ‘a precious, special and unique little snowflake’… LOL
Stop using ‘beta’ so much as well, when this type of ‘plain-jane shit-stain’ of a ‘woman’ would be even ‘lucky’ to get herself one.
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“non-hottie hypergamy”; i.e., that over-made-up chick doing triple-entry and/or animal porn at 23 because other other girls are just hotter. Ho-ishness makin’ up for hottness. “We’re willing to trade looks for a certain morally-casual quality,” as said in Animal House.
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The nice thing about discussion here is the total insanity demonstrated by those who support the “American” perspective.
In the “American” perspective, a person going to Harvard can be a “loser”.
In the “American” perspective, a professional with a four year degree who works sixty hours a week and has an IQ of over 140 can be a “loser” as well. That would be many of the Engineers whiskey mentioned.
In the “American” perspective, an adventurer that left his native land, learned several languages, and traveled and worked in many nations as a professional is also a “loser”(that would be xsplat).
In short, the answer to any mistreatment of male or female alike is that the said person just happens to be a loser. And it doesn’t really matter who that person is, unless they have whip-hand. Then the *bleep* agree that it is a great injustice.
In the “American” perspective, there is only one thing that makes someone a “winner”, and that is that the big bosses have told the American that the man is a winner.
That’s why I don’t pay attention to the screaming madness that is “America”.
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Late to the party as usually… this might be a post similar to ones already put up…too lazy to read all comments:
College daze is a playground for the alpha, and more so, an incubator for establishing a harem by him, I had nerdy girls, plain janes, sorority hotties – I’m an equal opportunity guy – I grant equal opportunity to all the girls to experience and bask in the glow of my presence…well, except fatties…all in my harem…not bad for a GDI on campus…made the frat boys jealous and women wanting more…secret to my success? College women are in the slumming mode before they ratchet up themselves in search for the good beta provider…they still call it slumming these days, right?…grow your hair long, don’t take a bath…go for Conan The Barbarian look…Me Here To Get Smart…Help Me Get Me Smart Pretty Lady – she’ll do your homework and then you…
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Stuck in Notre Dame here.
Not so sure about Catholic girls being easy. They range from moderately conservative to batshit nuts after years of sheltering, (hell, the campus itself is an extension of that sheltering in a way) prude as fuck regardless of political affiliation.
Would love to hear tips on how to break them in.
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One of the best examples of hypergamy that I can think of was exhibited by that woman who dumped her husband during their honeymoon when Jerry Seinfeld developed an interest in her while they were all on the same Carribean cruise.
If I remember correctly she was married to Jerry within a few months. That woman must have had a Blackbelt in Hypergamy. Damn.
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Verne, what kind of Catholic girls are you talking about? The generically Catholic, or the self selected, into it because it fits their innate predisposition Catholic?
You know how throughout all times and cultures, some percentage of high school age girls were sluts, and some were ultra conservative? Some guys were jocks, some geeks? Also, if you look at twin studies you’ll find that an absolutely incredible degree of personality is hard wired preference – even a propensity to religiosity is genetic.
So, are these self-selected Cathholics you are talking about? Because the common gossip is if you want to get laid, go visit an all girls catholic school.
But to your question, of which I have no experience, I’d think it comes down to setting a stronger frame than she has. Charismatic hypnosis, if you will. Mesmerize her. Stare into her eyes with a force of will so strong she has no choice but to believe in the power of your reality.
Her religion is not important to you. It’s a non issue. No need to even address it. Poke fun at it if you have to. Sidestep it if you have to. Fuck in the name of God if you have to. If she is sexually attracted to you and wants you, she’ll find a way to respect your authority. If not, don’t waste the time.
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G Manifesto:
“el chief,
‘most bars in Vancouver are 70-30 male-female’
Is that true?
I heard Vancouver was legit. (Never been).
– MPM”
Yup. The women are super hot though. In rural British Columbia, the men stay in the paper mills, and the hot 18 year old girls move to Vancouver to meet alphas.
There are basically only two nights in this town when the M-F ratio is 50-50: Halloween and New Years.
Clubs have a better ratio at the beginning of the night (10p-12a), but the women are pretty cold in general.
Parties are the best place to meet women in this town.
I have been living in vancouver for 11 years its plain jane central aside form the escorts. there’s no slelection or talent here, bottom line
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Verne, in regards to religiosity, whatever you do, don’t respect the girls opinion.
The last, absolutely last thing you want to do is to be sensitive about the issue.
YOU set the frame.
It’s all about authority. Is your voice, being, personality, life force, social stanting, wealth, status, skill, ability authentic and authoritative enough to override her conditioning?
Study hypnosis.
If the girl wants to be hypnotized, set the frame. Set the frame. Set the frame. You are becoming sleepy. Religion is for idiots. I’m only going to play on the outside. Trust me, I’ll only put it in one inch.
Never respect her wishes, never respect her religion. Set the frame yourself.
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The perfect answer to a virgin’s insisting that she will wait at least six months before fucking you? Laugh like it’s the most absurd thing you’ve ever heard, and say ya, right. More like three dates.
The perfect answer to your girlfriend telling you she can’t eat at a restaurant that cooks pork, because the pans will be sullied with taboo meat? Laugh and call her an idiot.
Don’t be sensitive. Set the frame. Assume authority. Be authoritative.
This attitude doesn’t translate into text only communication very well, and the literal minded will try to misunderstand, and the nuance challenged will struggle with the concept. When a girl says no stop, sometimes you just pull her pants off anyway, even if she screams loudly for the whole apartment building to hear. That’s setting the frame. Of course then you have to back way off, and let the comfort level build up. But you take charge. Even physically. You don’t wait around for her to initiate, or for her to change her mind about something.
Setting the frame is having confidence in your ability to accurately read the subtext of a situation. Is the girl interested in you or not? Does she want you to eventually escalate or not? And then moving forward on that, faster than the girl expected, but just barely within her comfort zone, then backing off, building comfort, building rapport, laughing, then exploring the limits of her comfort zone again. It’s a mutual dance, because although you lead, she is dancing with you. She is obviously very interested in you, and is clearly fighting herself as much as you.
Girls don’t want you to be sensitive to their feelings and knowledge, ultimately. They don’t even want a like minded soul mate, ultimately. They want someone they trust can assume command and follow through effectively and knows his way around the world. They don’t want a buddy to commiserate with, who will shore up their belief systems.
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Regarding the power of charismatic suggestion, I wonder how many readers here have the experience of making a girl go weak in the knees with a look? How many have experienced the ability to look at a girl in the eyes and making her world melt away?
Mesmer was no fool. Stage hypnotists know some tricks. But much more subtle than that, if you develop your awareness, especially kinesthetic awareness, you can develop a synesthesia of the senses that allows you to feel as if you are reaching right into another being – and the other person will respond. The very subtle cues we give off can truly be a force of will that affects people. You don’t have to take my word for it – there is lots of documented research, and mountains of anectodal evidence, as well as many different schools of teachings. For kinesthetic awareness go to the daoists or chi-kung practitioners. For verbal influence study NLP and basic hypnotic suggestion.
But back to the poll – who here has experience of making a girl go weak in the knees with a deliberate type of stare?
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“They don’t want a buddy to commiserate with, who will shore up their belief systems.”
Exactly. They don’t want a buddy, they want a leader.
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xsplat,
The majority of girls here have a similar background. Private, Catholic schools all their lives (all-girl most of the time), WASPy, almost like a giant hive mentality. A Catholic upbringing means a higher degree of both inexperience and resistance in terms of sex. Goody-goody girls.
Contact with the opposite gender is done in groups, (eating together at a table with varying ratios of boy to girl, dances that I consider to be one fucking long ass foreplay that amounts to nothing, sports, etc.), escalating in the form of a dorm or off-campus party. Hardly any fucking goes on in the dorm, and those smart enough to realize that rules imposed upon by the dorm and the university (go off-campus. Even then I can’t vouch for how much fucking goes on. Surely not as frequent as public universities.
Your point on propensity was intriguing since it goes in hand with my observation. I know two girls who are more liberal than the general population, and one of them self-rejected religion despite a Catholic upbringing.
What I meant by moderately conservative to batshit nuts was that there are some girls whose lives involve around religious ceremonies and liturgical choirs. These girls fit into your statement about self-selected Catholics. While there are somewhat socially able groups of boys and girls who get drunk on weekends at parties, there are just as many boys and girls who spend their time playing video games and watching Gilmore Girls reruns respectively. I suppose the former is better than the latter in a sense that they have at least overcome their socially inept background resulting from years of single sex education. However, it just baffles me to see all of them content with the mere presence of the opposite gender in group activities. College game atmosphere based on status with a Catholic hint of twisted gender relations means non-religious athletes are probably the ones getting the most action.
Not to mention the appearance inflation due to girls here and the nearby all-girl college.
A tough learning ground for an apprentice indeed.
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An excellent article on love and game in China; a place where there is an actual shortage of women:
http://www.slate.com/id/2244183/
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Xsplat — If you look at the links, there ARE studies showing testosterone peaks generally at Average IQ, and declines at the upper and lower end of the IQ distribution. Classic bell curve. Your point is well taken, no one knows why, but taking up something “risky” works, I’ve seen it and can attest to how well it can work for a nerdy guy to change perceptions.
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The engineers were not gay. They bemoaned the fact that they had steady girls in College but underwent the “twenties drought.”
Yes of course culture and mores ARE a deliberate attempt to place boundaries on social behavior.
I said — None of these guys could get even average girls to go out with them, and some were pretty attractive (tall, built, handsome), making them MORE attractive (7-9) than the girls they targeted. Much of the problem was venue — having no forum to introduce themselves as credible potential boyfriends in the hook-up driven culture. They also lacked “type” i.e. not a biker, guido, flatbiller, etc. The most attractive guy in the group did “win” but he got a couple of spots down from where he was (i.e. 9.5 -> 6).
My sample includes: LA, Denver, Sacramento, San Francisco, and a few other places. I will concede most of it is from LA however.
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Alright guys. Let’s get down to business.
It’s the weekend of St. Valentine’s day and there’s a holiday on Monday. Things should be ripe. Anyone have any good Valentine’s day material?
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Apologies for being lazy to find the links, Whiskey, but can you please repost the link to the study you mention that directly correlates IQ with testosterone?
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Yea lupo progress means being alone
””””Today, Chinese people are free to choose whom they date. But it’s harder to meet someone now that social networks are stretched thin. “Everyone migrates these days, especially to the big cities,” said Xia, who herself came to Beijing from Xinjiang, a majority-Muslim province that borders Kazakhstan. “Maybe you move to a new place, and don’t know many people. You can’t meet people on the street or in the subway. It’s not like before.”””””””””””
@cannon
amerika exactly the world will be under the same law soon enough got to enjoy diferences while you can.
Everywhere coke, I got the pizza hut kfc hour from my house the savior is no cable yet but all the new movies available.
Seperating people is big business for a while though they can’t live in one house so they all need their own then husband and wife can’t live in same house because they are divorced. It works until you run out of people because you stop having kids and people wonder why their lives are empty but they have money.
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”””My sample includes: LA, Denver, Sacramento, San Francisco, and a few other places. I will concede most of it is from LA however.”””””
Well I guess if pussy is the goal become an engineer and join the army. I never saw a guy who wanted some just unable to get it if he tried.
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””””Cauthon
Alright guys. Let’s get down to business.
It’s the weekend of St. Valentine’s day and there’s a holiday on Monday. Things should be ripe. Anyone have any good Valentine’s day material?
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Find a woman that is single and you should get some ass.
High pressure day for single woman.
Carry that bag of skittles to give away lol
Chick was begging me to stay till after valentines day. She didn’t want to be alone on it. It is the kryptonite to their female armor.
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Of course engineers and catholics may be doing the right thing in todays age getting woman can give you a big fucking headache in the end.
Using kids as an excuse to fuck up adults has been going on for over a century.
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I love that show because of the way House manipulates others, and is always exactly on top of being the top dog. He uses every manipulative trick possible to always remain the highest status man of greatest authority in the group. I watch closely.
House is hated by all the guys including the management of the hospital. He is tolerated by the powers that be only because of his diagnostic genius. His being a class A asshole would otherwise have the predictable consequence of him getting sacked and possibly prosecuted.
I can understand how his antics would seem superfluous, beside the point, and in the way of smooth functioning. I see it as the opposite – his antics are what creates the social authority that he requries to be effective. Each comment about cutties ass is specifically designed to undermine her and get her off balance. Each insult is specifically designed to get people to notice his wit and loose self confidence.
I aspire to be that good.
Enroll into a top notch school of medicine for starters.
Oh, and plus his insults create an environment of strife which heightens mental activity and through the wit of them foster creative out of the box thinking. People are constantly on edge and on their toes – therefore more effective.
House has never been wrong in the series. In real life, nobody is infallible like House. Arrogance like House’s is unsustainable in an unforgiving work environment like his. For similar reasons, you don’t hear of many boastful and extremely arrogant mountain climbers or cave divers.
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I think we’re talking past each other regarding House, Markku. As I see it, the writers have created a reasonably accurate portrayal of social dynamics, and then over-blown it to dramatic ends. House is THE classic sociopath. Of course he’s troublesome and reviled. He’s a sociopath. But what many fail to realize is that his empathy deficit is overcompensated by his incredible social facility. Classic sociopath. Master manipulator.
I was sure you’d get it when I said I aspire to be that good. I guess you did. I don’t aspire to be a prognosticator. I aspire to keen awareness of social dynamics and a quick with that can land me on top as the alpha, when desired. I aspire to be able to manipulate others to my will. The show is 50% about House’s ability to manipulate others to his will. And the dramatic tension involved in that is that he does it through his sociopathic means – through cold calculation. And that he makes it look effortless. The other 50% of the show is about how everyone around him eventually starts to morph into him. They have no choice but to learn of his manipulative ways, in pure psychological self defence. And then you see them using his own tricks back at him, and at each other.
The writing is a very clever study in social dynamics.
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”””””””1884 New Jersey statute Examples of states taking action because fathers were criminally responsible for allowing children to become a public charge. The New York statute punished nonsupporting fathers with imprisonment and hard labour. ””””””’
You see woman today who have responsibility going jail for making the kids a public charge?
At least before the guy could choose to keep the kid if his wife wanted to leave right because he had ownership so at least it was punishment for something he may have had control over.
Guys been getting the shaft from other jealous guys for a long time.
You think a politician stuck with only being able to fuck an old ass woman isn’t jealous of guys being able to go oversees. yea right.
Jealousy of people who don’t live like you do is where things get fucked up especially when you think they are living better than you do he he he
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I think a lot of people simply miss the social posturing going on, and the ultra clever manipulation House is involved with. And how his manipulation is key and crucial to making a system work – to bending and breaking rules and regulations, to subverting a system so that he can work with greater freedom within it.
Is it likely that a House could exist in real life? Who cares. As a study in social dynamics, House uses his social skills to a particular end. The portrayal of social manipulation is accurate.
If you just listen to the banter as a series of jokes, you’ll miss out on WHY he makes these jokes. Each and every single quip is a means to a greater end.
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Also, House is a reasonable study of group process and the creative process of insight.
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If you want to learn social kung-fu, study under Dr. House.
Alternately, date a girl who has BPD. Although quite insane, you’ll soon learn how savant people with affective disorders can be. The amount of compensation the brain is twisted into performing makes them miraculous at the skills of manipulation.
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Oh, and sociopaths and BPDs are noted for being hyper sexual and sexually skilled. Top notch. Savant squared.
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Welmer, are you there? Your ex was a BPD, wasn’t she?
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house jumped the shark this month. i try not to watch too much tv, but i enjoy the show for everyone’s aforementioned reasons.
last week was the celebration of fabulous single moms, as cuddy defeated the greedy white men of the healthcare system with her negotiating skills, outsmarted a pill thief with calculated manipulation, scolded the silly boy doctors for their fistfight, and saved the bumbling carpenter from foreclosure after he cut off his thumb. her boyfriend simply filled a niche, and there was zero positive male behavior on display.
the week before that, the show did a racially-PC take on the michael oher story. the group can sit around discussing the most exotic of conditions, but when steroids enter the equation, time for the baby-talk. another stupid athlete throwing his life away! says house. just another walking corpse! but house, his tests are clean. ahh, well, he must be using the “good stuff.” fuck you house.
and the week before that, thirteen taught her sociopath patient to empathize. her cure consisted of logical arguments and classical female nurturing.
jumped the shark, i say.
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A Previous Shooting Death at the Hand of Alabama Suspect
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/us/14alabama.html?hp
HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — The neurobiologist accused of killing three colleagues at the University of Alabama in Huntsville on Friday fatally shot her brother in 1986 in suburban Boston, the authorities in Massachusetts confirmed Saturday.
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Comment Whatever really nails it I think.
Take a look at China which I visited during this past summer. Who did the hot Chinese girls go for? It wasn’t douche bags and it definitely wasn’t bad boys. And don’t fool yourself, even if you’re not into those chicks, you would still admire their beauty.
It was those guys who had the best future prospects. That means I saw hot HOT girls with what we would term Geeks and Business types. And it’s very obvious why.
In a population of over a billion, the odds are you will be average, and that means not that great a living FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
OR, you can get with some guy who has a future and allow you to rise to a much much higher standard of living.
Just another reason China will eventually be on top. Good guys are not despised by the women. Even dating and marriage are different and follow a culturally prescribed pattern . . for the most part.
What is occurring in America is devastating but TEMPORARY, it is unsustainable and will come to a crashing end.
And that’s the POSITIVE future.
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Would love to hear tips on how to break them in.
“Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker”
— Willy Wonka
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Nonsense:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/us/14alabama.html?hp
What I especially like about the article is how the police-man admits to wildly illegal behavior on his part decades after the fact even there is no evidence but his own admission.
One wonders why he would possibly do that.
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“What is occurring in America is devastating but TEMPORARY, it is unsustainable and will come to a crashing end.
And that’s the POSITIVE future.”
Whatever is unsustainable, socially unwanted and dangerous will be eliminated quite quickly. We tend to think linearly, as if trends will just continue into the future unabated.
But this isn’t how the world works.
I believe will see self-organized criticality arising when things get hairy. As a real-life example of the phenomenon, think Scott Brown’s election in Massachusetts. Something totally improbable…until it actually happens. So, no the sky isn’t going to fall. Anything completely unexpected can happen in a year’s time.
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the greatest revenge upon hypergamy is to be old, ugly, and offer no money, and still make young women under the powerful spell of your voodoo
that’s good, and in my sights, hahahaha. xsplat and jack and harvard and others have made this a good comment thread.
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i don’t have the patience to spell it out now, but game (for me, pretty much this site) has taught me so much.
the one trick that you have to learn, is to laugh at girls. do it convincingly, it will spark within you its own mirth. when to do this? of course, at their standard vag-denial symbol-move. some of you know what it is; it’s the grabbing of the shirt/blouse/whatever and pulling it down below the beltline/ass.
and then you laugh with mocking humor, loudly and to yourself. it hits them like a backhand. (it’s not as good as a backhand, of course, but, i’m trying to stay out of jail.)
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There’s a feedback loop involved.
So my theory is…men who want more success with women (especially those in the higher IQ ranges with less innate testosterone) should regularly engage in activities which create more testosterone.
I think that’s right JB. My intuition has been telling me the same thing. (And yes I hate to reference my ‘intuition’ on this of all blogs; but it goes to the point.)
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wexler doesn’t think his t-levels are low though. it’s that he’s too sensitive.
a lot of you guys – most of you, including R. i think – won’t get this, but some of us are gentle souls. we don’t want to hurt people, we don’t want to defile women, it’s not in our nature.
in this day and age, we’re the losers.
and ‘losers’ here needs some clarification, just as ‘alpha’ has been clarified into its PUA meaning as distinct from its traditional martial meaning.
it’s pretty simple, ‘loser’ means non-PUA-alpha. you can be an ace with a weapon, with your hands, whatever, but you’re not comfortable gaming girls: ‘loser’.
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@Tupac
Agree with you on everything you said–especially to “some cunt”, who deserved all the firepower you aimed at her.
However, for future reference, be advised that there was no “Mr. Dunham”. Stanley Ann gave birth 48 years ago to a baby she and her “husband” named Barack Hussein Obama.
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Oilsands: “What is occurring in America is devastating but TEMPORARY, it is unsustainable and will come to a crashing end.
And that’s the POSITIVE future.”
Dude, you is right.
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There’s a simple way to test this theory – inject yourself with testosterone or other anabolic steroids and see if your ability to bed chicks suddenly improves.
i don’t thinks so, omarion.
T. is not the thing, it’s a reflection of it. And even then, it often reflects it, and it often does not.
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Tupac Chopra, February 12, 2010 at 7:30 pm –
awesome comment.
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Whiskey seems to be gone. Can anyone else show me this link to the study that directly correlates IQ with testosterone?
The only link I saw was this one http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.php , which doesn’t have any mention of that, that i can see.
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Whiskey seems to be gone. Did anyone else find this link to a study that directly correlates IQ and testosterone? I can’t find it. Or one that correlates IQ with risk taking behavior?
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Also, Whiskey, there seems to be a few types of high IQ. Now it’s my turn to dig up the lnks – they were just posted somewhere here a few days ago. One type of high IQ is associated with creative insight – seeing patterns that are not obvious. Not puzzle solving skill, but riddle solving skill. This particular type of higher IQ is apparently rather rare.
I’ll go out on an imaginary limb (because the risk is also imaginary) and hypothesize that this type of high IQ is associated with high testosterone.
There are also many high IQ people who have noted that they are extra randy. I’d love to know if they skew to a type of G.
Creativity and testosterone – I’m fairly confident we’ll find a positive correlation.
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Oops – the links: http://www.prometheussociety.org/articles/multiple.html
and the money quote:
I’m also most interested in this type of talent. You’ll recognize when you see it. It’s a systematizing mind that creates creative associations routinely. The Dr. House aha moment, over and over.
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Haters Goan Hate:
you ghosted for maybe a month, and then spoiled a good hundred comments with your faggotry-slash-idolatry.
obviously
tongue-in-cheek (you were)
Only a bit. For the record, I believe Clio is one of the precious few who is pure in heart, and I challenge ANY man here to prove me otherwise.
Aw, who am I kidding. She’s probably got her ankles by her ears this Valentine’s Day weekend while her tattooed bad-boy fiance thrusts unrelentingly into her virginal orifices.
i still love you like a brother (comrade, not a fellow black of course), but…
stop it
I take it you didn’t cotton to my “Whiskeygeddon It”. Oh well.
P.S. Don’t you have some niggers you need to be dragging behind your truck right about now?
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There are numerous links in the Gene Expression one using testing for testosterone in saliva from pre-adolescent boys. IQ 70 or less was equal in testosterone to those 130 or greater. These are the two groups most likely to be virgins in adolescence. There is a link to another paper suggesting IQ / higher sperm counts may be trade-offs.
It seems fairly universal. Women when they have their own financial and social independence avoid nerdy, high IQ guys regardless of earnings or potential earnings, in favor of the Carolla “type.” Which is generally the Alpha cad jerk.
People have commented on “third world women not being corrupted” etc. This is a misnomer. They just lack their own money and independence. Make every Vietnamese or Chinese girl as independent and secure as American girls, watch them chase bad boys.
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I Said:
But because of feminism, rising wealth, and the breakdown of social strictures, the whole TNA helix has been upshifted a tick or two.
Couldn’t agree more with this, and is essentially what I said in my comment, that men as well as women desire those “out of their league”
You misunderstand me. When I say the “TNA helix has upshifted a tick or two”, I am referring to female hypergamy — men don’t have the same luxury. It’s a one-sided thing.
Whereas the natural order of things was that Adenine pairs with Thymine and Guanine pairs with Cytosine, nowadays, only one side of the helix has shifted upwards. While men have stayed the same rugged stalwarts of old, feminism and hypergamy have allowed women to climb on the mens’ backs to become recombinant TNA. Now, 7 women are pairing with 8 men, and the same holds true up and down the line of the double helix. Women are killer apes, here as everywhere, forever and ever, amen.
Don’t shit on men who are trying to keep up, McFly.
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pac,
ypur ‘whiskeygeddon’ was pretty friggin sweet, although i could convince the cops that i’ve never even heard that song before.
it’s just my take, but i’m a little put off by your blog courtship of clio the ottawan historian. i think it’s high time that a prole steps up to bat and wins chic noir’s hand in marriage! cmon fools, take one for the team! let’s root for this
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we must and WILL submit to the sexual power of the alphas, I would gladly give my gf to a muscular alpha stud if he let me suck his cock and so would most men!!!
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“One type of high IQ is associated with creative insight – seeing patterns that are not obvious. Not puzzle solving skill, but riddle solving skill. This particular type of higher IQ is apparently rather rare. ”
Are you referring to Matrix Reasoning (Inductive Non-Verbal Reasoning?)
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Oh nevermind, I see.
Was the bear red? 🙂
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xsplat:
So Tupac, you are saying that noticing a superior way that things could be, and having expectations such that you think you can attain the superior way, is the motivation that can drive people. And that this is distinct from entitlement.
Whatever.
Many a truth is spoken in jest. Ignore at your own peril.
As long as people take real world actions towards attainable goals, it makes little difference what their motivation is. I just get irritated when I hear of aspirations without hearing of practical ways to get there.
You’ve got it backwards, son. I only entered into the discussion when men like me were being accused of “entitlement” because we were attempting to aquire what was once the birthright of our fathers. And don’t take the “birthright” too seriously, it’s just a rhetorical flourish. As I pointed out before, any man’s expectations are born out of his experience, and for many of us, (especially those who had healthy parents) our expectations have been dashed on the rocks of modern day hypergamy.
I spit on any man who tells me I’m “entitled” for wanting a marriage like my parents had.
Xsplat, I respect your knowledge and experience. You obviously have an intimate and detailed blueprint for women and their sexuality. It’s easy to do when you are a Westerner in a poor country. And I mean no disrespect by that. By being an educated, erudite Anglo in a relatively more primitive culture, you have been afforded the luxury of having an eagle’s eye view of the subtle dynamics that play out in power differentials. And for that I am thankful.
But I’d love nothing more for you to come back home and attempt to ply your trade in MY jungle. Or New York. Or LA. Let’s see just how badass you are when playing pot-bellied Papa-San in the trenches of the clubs, lounges and dance-clubs that the majority of Roissy’s readership reside in.
Something tells me you would be creamed.
On the other hand, you’d probably hook up with a sub-6 and fist-pump in victory over your elite skillz.
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As far as fluid intelligence – on the WAIS-IV the two subtests with the highest g loading (which likely correlates to fluid intelligence) are Figure Weights and Matrix Reasoning. Both are non-verbal, though.
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Ok, Whiskey, so admit it. When you say that high IQ is associated with lower testosterone, you are not referring to any actual studies that show this. Its an inference.
But where do you get the inference of high iq being negatively associated with risk taking behaviour? According to the link I provided it’s positively associated.
Go on, Whiskey – I’ve got you under my thumb now and I’m not going to let up until you say uncle.
There is not study that shows a direct correlation between IQ and testosterone in adults.
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Ok, Whiskey, so admit it. When you say that high IQ is associated with lower testosterone, you are not referring to any actual studies that show this. Its an inference.
But where do you get the inference of high iq being negatively associated with risk taking behaviour? According to the link I provided it’s positively associated.
Go on, Whiskey – I’ve got you under my thumb now and I’m not going to let up until you say uncle.
There is no study that shows a direct correlation between IQ and testosterone in adults.
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Umm, no…what color does a bear turn after it’s been shot? Purple, dark red, blue? 🙂
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Red? No! It’s obvious. Think again about the direction the guy traveled in – all at 90 degrees, yet, they formed a triangle. Where was he?
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””””’People have commented on “third world women not being corrupted” etc. This is a misnomer. They just lack their own money and independence. Make every Vietnamese or Chinese girl as independent and secure as American girls, watch them chase bad boys.”””””’
No they are independant. When was the last time you saw a single mother support herself without money from cs or the government in the us? Woman in the real world do that. When was the last time you saw a family that was financially independant of handouts and jobs? In the real world that happens too.
They are actually independant.
Why do western woman get pushed so hard to take the free givaways to make them weak. Child support alimony a weak woman makes. They are not independant they are dependant on handouts.
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The bears black because grizzlies are brown har har har
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Oh, I get it. The bear was white.
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See, this is why I do about an SD higher on non-verbal reasoning type tests. 🙂
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Cannon:
it’s just my take, but i’m a little put off by your blog courtship of clio the ottawan historian.
WN in da house!
i think it’s high time that a prole steps up to bat and wins chic noir’s hand in marriage! cmon fools, take one for the team! let’s root for this
Is your rich Daddy rooting too?
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pac,
my rich daddy has no rooting interest in matters of romance. even the greatest of greater beta providers cannot influence, merely spectate.
the more IQ he blessed me with, the less testosterone i get to chew on. he recently admitted as much in front of my mother, who is still pretty happy about that arrangement.
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fuckers
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xplat:
I’m also most interested in this type of talent. You’ll recognize when you see it. It’s a systematizing mind that creates creative associations routinely. The Dr. House aha moment, over and over.
House is ENTP under MBTI, and so am I, and so are probably you.
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xplat:
Red? No! It’s obvious. Think again about the direction the guy traveled in – all at 90 degrees, yet, they formed a triangle. Where was he?
People who are really, really into the color of that bear also tend to like sturdy footwear and particularly cheap haircuts.
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Who doesn’t like sturdy footwear?
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Let me talk about that puzzle and what I find interesting in it. First, my thought process. Scan it over. The question doesn’t make sense. Reread and discover a clue – he travels to the right one unit, turns 90 degrees and travels up one unit, and then travels the SAME unit of direction back to the starting point. Ok, anyone familiar with right angled trianges knows that’s not possible. So in my mind I try to stretch out the line on the way back to the origin, without stretching it,
and BoinG! That’s the moment of insight. Is that memory? No, it’s not memory. It’s association. How many associations must my mind have scanned through, in the 1 second it took to come up with euclidean geometry?
Edward de Bono like the term lateral thinking. I like to think of massively parralel multiprocessing, happening on subconscious levels. Only the ego needs linearity, you know. Without ego, you can run massively parallel processing – but that’s why we are unconscious of those processes, because our awareness is usually trapped in a sense of self. Some people relive their lives in a flash of one second, right before nearly dying. But that’s not correct – the brain makes time appear, in order to make sense of all the information. In reality it was a massively parralel experience, that the brain fit together as if it was linear. Some meditators experience awareness of vast, vast visualizations. This is possible only when the sense of self diminishes. Ok, so creativity and insight is associated with massively parallel processing, which also can be cultivated with mindfulness training and is often accompanied by an experience of oneness or ego dissolution.
It’s that moment of insight that is the most fun. Aha!
Ok, then the next aha. If it’s a triangle mapped out on a globe, where must it be? A pole. There is only one pole with a bear on it. That bear is white. All that was fairly linear, and therefore mostly conscious. Took maybe one more second.
States of semi-sleep are also fun to explore, as they erase the normal boundaries of awareness, and let you play with the incredible facility of the visualization system. We dream! How incredible. In a lucid dream, the dreamer and the dream are both dreamt. So who is dreaming? The ego itself, the dream body, as well as the hallway you are walking down, are all dreamed. Obviously therefore not by the ego! Times like that you can slip into the massively parallel processing with more awareness.
Usually it’s just instant and fleeting and subconscious.
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Oh, man, moderation. In pieces then:
Let me talk about that puzzle and what I find interesting in it. First, my thought process. Scan it over. The question doesn’t make sense. Reread and discover a clue – he travels to the right one unit, turns 90 degrees and travels up one unit, and then travels the SAME unit of direction back to the starting point. Ok, anyone familiar with right angled trianges knows that’s not possible. So in my mind I try to stretch out the line on the way back to the origin, without stretching it,
and BoinG! That’s the moment of insight. Is that memory? No, it’s not memory. It’s association. How many associations must my mind have scanned through, in the 1 second it took to come up with euclidean geometry?
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Edward de Bono like the term lateral thinking. I like to think of massively parralel multiprocessing, happening on subconscious levels. Only the ego needs linearity, you know. Without ego, you can run massively parallel processing – but that’s why we are unconscious of those processes, because our awareness is usually trapped in a sense of self. Some people relive their lives in a flash of one second, right before nearly dying. But that’s not correct – the brain makes time appear, in order to make sense of all the information. In reality it was a massively parralel experience, that the brain fit together as if it was linear. Some meditators experience awareness of vast, vast visualizations. This is possible only when the sense of self diminishes. Ok, so creativity and insight is associated with massively parallel processing, which also can be cultivated with mindfulness training and is often accompanied by an experience of oneness or ego dissolution.
It’s that moment of insight that is the most fun. Aha!
Ok, then the next aha. If it’s a triangle mapped out on a globe, where must it be? A pole. There is only one pole with a bear on it. That bear is white. All that was fairly linear, and therefore mostly conscious. Took maybe one more second.
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Edward deBono like the term lateral thinking. I like to think of massively parallel multiprocessing, happening on subconscious levels. Only the ego needs linearity, you know. Without ego, you can run massively parallel processing – but that’s why we are unconscious of those processes, because our awareness is usually trapped in a sense of self. Some people relive their lives in a flash of one second, right before nearly dying. But that’s not correct – the brain makes time appear, in order to make sense of all the information. In reality it was a massively parallel experience, that the brain fit together as if it was linear. Some meditators experience awareness of vast, vast visualizations. This is possible only when the sense of self diminishes. Ok, so creativity and insight is associated with massively parallel processing, which also can be cultivated with mindfulness training and is often accompanied by an experience of oneness or ego dissolution.
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Oh this is really very frustrating. The moderation system is just completely random.
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Edward deBono like the term lateral thinking. I like to think of massively parralel multiprocessing, happening on subconscious levels. Only the ego needs linearity, you know. Without ego, you can run massively parallel processing – but that’s why we are unconscious of those processes, because our awareness is usually trapped in a sense of self. Some people relive their lives in a flash of one second, right before nearly dying. But that’s not correct – the brain makes time appear, in order to make sense of all the information. In reality it was a massively parralel experience, that the brain fit together as if it was linear.
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…Some meditators experience awareness of vast, vast visualizations. This is possible only when the sense of self diminishes. Ok, so creativity and insight is associated with massively parallel processing, which also can be cultivated with mindfulness training and is often accompanied by an experience of oneness or ego dissolution.
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It’s that moment of insight that is the most fun. Aha!
Ok, then the next aha. If it’s a triangle mapped out on a globe, where must it be? A pole. There is only one pole with a bear on it. That bear is white. All that was fairly linear, and therefore mostly conscious. Took maybe one more second.
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…It’s that moment of insight that is the most fun. Aha!
Ok, then the next aha. If it’s a triangle mapped out on a globe, where must it be? A pole. …
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It’s that moment of insight that is the most fun. Aha!
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States of semi-sleep are also fun to explore, as they erase the normal boundaries of awareness, and let you play with the incredible facility of the visualization system. We dream! How incredible. In a lucid dream, the dreamer and the dream are both dreamt. So who is dreaming? The ego itself, the dream body, as well as the hallway you are walking down, are all dreamed. Obviously therefore not by the ego! Times like that you can slip into the massively parallel processing with more awareness.
Usually it’s just instant and fleeting and subconscious.
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I think there may also be a heavy spatial visualization component with that type of problem solving.
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Yeah…you said it above.
I’m actually trying to improve my visuospatial abilities, but they’re quite mediocre.
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JB, what can be really fun is having a dialogue with your visualization system.
you know how split brain patients can catch a ball with their left hand, while their right eye is closed, and their conscious awareness seems blind? The blind sight is because the left eye, associated with the right brain, which is controlling speech, has no access to sight. Yet the body catches the ball.
What people with brains with the corpus collosum severed do, is learn tricks for the both halves to talk to each other. The left hand may pinch the right in answer to questions, or some such.
You can play with your visualization system like that, in times of half sleep. Mine is extremely funny. An incredible sense of humor. And lightning fast wit. Shockingly fast. It’s just bloody incredible the non-linearity of it.
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Oh, but it lacks direction – it’s not a full personality. Which is a good thing.
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How do you purposefully achieve half-sleep? I’ve meditated before but only had one memorable half-sleep experience (you mean where you’re aware you’re “asleep” but can’t wake up?)
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JB, my visuospatial abilities are well below average, but only on the conscious level, it would seem. I gave up on trying to do vizualization meditations. I simply can’t do them. And yet obviously that whole system functions quite well. It just refuses to come into awareness unless I’m asleep, at which point I can have the most spectacularly vivid dreams – sometimes complete with music. Sometimes beautiful. Sometimes hilariously funny. Usually mediocre and often scary.
But if were to go on a zomby diet of only the choicest visuspatial brain system of londoners, and wanted to avoid needless slaughter, you’d go for the brains of the taxi drivers. Through practice they grow the largest brain visualization nuggets.
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If you are interested in lucid dreaming, there are many web resources. For myself, the more mindfulness meditation I do the more likely I’ll remain mindful in the more chaotic states of sleep. There have been times while on a long forest meditation retreat where I was aware pretty much 24 hours a day. That happens. Sounds weird, but that’s just what happens.
Takes a lot of dedication though. Not something I was able to sustain.
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I suppose why the visuo-spatial system is so damn funny, is that the process of insight itself is funny. And parallel processing is inherently insightful. You get nuances on top of nuances under nuances, associations and associations, like some Salinger novel.
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Apologies – not Salinger. You get the point, I hope. The visualization system gives rise to metaphors, which when grasped by the conscious mind, appear surprising. That moment of surprise is sometimes funny. You get two disparate ideas related into one seamless whole. It all comes together. It’s the visualization system that makes all these wholes and creatively associates worlds into being.
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And if all this seems off topic for the blog, it’s more of a tangent than off topic. Being able to see a big picture and come up with metaphors is a huge component of game.
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I find IQ to be most of what succeeds with women assuming at least once per month heavy workout with weights and once per month swim workout. College professors, before the alpha among them moved to Europe and other non-feminist countries, did quite well with coeds, not because of blackmail (like the fems said) but because women find status in knowledge and insight. As I said above, women love it when a soldier or veteran who is physically fit then shows great knowledge and that he learned the language of the countries he was stationed in.
College men: Know the course work and offer to study with hotties the night before an exam and help them. While in their dorm room, say “you can wear just your bra and panties if you want – I’m a gentleman” – and let the seduction game begin – you got into their room because you had the status of knowing the subject of the exam.
Don’t be afraid to throw curve balls once you have been given high IQ status by a woman. Your study session with her may be once per lifetime so you have to utilize that time. Say something like “would you and your friends pay me $20 to do a striptease”. Women love it when the geek suddenly turns out to be perverted.
The bear was white of course. It takes the average intelligent person about 3 minutes to realize that only one place on Earth can have that dynamic.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nasa_scientists_plan_to_approach
The Onion – they get shit. (Like approach anxiety)
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@Roissy,
I think when you say ‘alpha’ you actually mean ‘playboy/girl’, and when you say ‘beta’ you actually mean ‘alpha’, in the sense that those are the decent folks who build this world and who keep it going.
A real ‘alpha’ of either sex doesn’t define themselves by shagging around, but by building a successful life with their mate.
Playboys and playgirls are narcissistic parasites of society, not ‘alphas’ — they are closer to baboons in culture than to human beings. Let’s name them for what they really are, not for what they want us to believe them to be…!
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Don’t shit on men who are trying to keep up, McFly. — T. Chopra
What exactly are you trying to keep up with, Sport?
All that I am sayin’ is that we all (man and women) need to be a little more humble and realistic in our choices of dates and mates.
Otherwise men can be just as hypocritical of the ‘hypergamy’ they so vehemently criticize women for.
Tis’ all.
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Fat Hen
You are obviously new here. You would deserve a break for being ignorant IF you showed more willingness to patiently learn the landscape of the roissy-sphere before mouthing off platitudes that reveal nothing but your naiviety.
The real test of your committment to your stated ideal of “alphaness” is very simple to describe. Are you willing to go on pursuing a career of old fashion alpha-tude while watching from the sidelines as other kinds of guys / gals have all the sex?
Are you willing to take a path thru life – that you deem honorable and appropriate – but will make you seem un-fuckable by desireable mates?
If you answer yes then you might be taken seriously. But you will face a hard struggle trying to convince anyone that you really mean it.
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Otherwise men can be just as hypocritical of the ‘hypergamy’ they so vehemently criticize women for.
Whiskey,
What type of women do you chase after, hmm?
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Fat Hen, you’ve got it: “when you say ‘alpha’ you actually mean ‘playboy/girl’, and when you say ‘beta’ you actually mean ‘alpha’, in the sense that those are the decent folks who build this world and who keep it going.”
Courting favor and posturing may be “dominance” to folk who don’t go anywhere or do anything (kissing butt, really) but beyond the image (which is what they’re selling, ’cause in a no-consequence environment all that glitters is gold).
I’m an IQ 150+ military officer, kicked a lot of ass in fights as a kid, have told-off jackass superiors and recently got back from overseas (again). Being Alpha is saying how it’s going to be and anyone who doesn’t like it can pick 5.56mm rounds out of their ass, necessarily being responsible and considerate of people in that or you’re just a bad guy. In the PUA “real world,” I’m a loser who doesn’t even rate… the being responsible and considerate that separates the good from the bad when consequences apply just define “Beta” (no matter how much of badass otherwise I am, I can tell you that). Even though I only put women on a pedestal so I can look up their dress, my woman “had” count is in the single-digits while the “I Like You as a Friend” one I ran out of fingers for a LONG time back. (Tall, good looking and “equipped” here, too.) I’m also getting divorced because I’m not sufficiently Beta (as in doormat) like a good (“nice”) person should be and my wife can’t take it more (gettin’ left for nobody, yay).
It’s an image and being good at that image, that’s the desired quality. Being nice to people and not giving a sh*t about what anything looks like from life experience doesn’t fit the illusion. Experience breaks the illusion and illusion is all that make it emotionally “real” and gets ‘gina tingles going. Be an actor but don’t be someone you’re not… ah, suburbanite douchebag time (bullsh*t is only a lie if you get caught, he who dies uncaught wins). “Perception is reality,” no matter what reality actually is, on this one.
“No one loves a soldier ’til the enemy’s at the gate,” too.
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It is true that there are no studies of IQ/Testosterone correlation between adults. But there ARE in adolescents. MAYBE, just maybe testosterone production doubles in High IQ guys after adulthood. But that doesn’t seem likely. Maybe just maybe women actually like nerds, engineers, and computer software guys, or maybe it really is true — they avoid them like the plague.
Visiting prostitutes is not risk-friendliness so much as substitution. Charlie Sheen takes on high-risk stuff (drugs, mostly) and pulls lots of women and also patronized prostitutes (as a matter of legal record — Heidi Fleiss). Joe Engineer does none of that, other than the prostitution thing.
What I am saying is there is a fundamental difference between the Charlie Sheens and Hugh Grants, and nerdling engineers. Even when you remove the celebrity, there is a huge amount of risk taking, socially and otherwise, that the Grants and Sheens (think indie musician living in his car or girlfriend of the moments couch, a just starting Russell Brand) engage in vs. Joe High IQ engineer. We are rapidly selecting for Russell Brands, Charlie Sheens, and Hugh Grants, and selecting out engineers. We’ll have bad boys making women aroused, but no infrastructure remaining.
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Fat Hen,
It sounds like you are the type of woman who cannot accept the scientific reality that men of all ages are most sexually attracted to women 18-21 (plus a long bell curve tail of women who look great getting older) and, after that, if a man is not totally in love with a woman and has the opportunity to mess around with the new women 18-21, he’d be inclined like Dorian Gray, to play the new field.
Money and strip clubs, at the very least, allow all the nicest and most interesting men to never stop dealing only with women 18-21. Moreover, in the absence of bitter feminist or social conservative cockblockers, men who look young for awhile can actually date women 18-21 for 25 years or more.
What that means is that women 18-21 should not be rude to men and play games because of the terribly short period of time that they have power. Women this age ARE NOT rude and game playing in pro-male societies and rural America. Smart women that age look for a guy who will fall in love and stay in love (which means avoiding a LTR with an alpha might be a good idea — but 5 months with an alpha at that age might be worth it to a young woman before settling with the beta).
Women older than 21 ought not to assume they don’t have brutal competition for the most interesting men of any age. Feminism and social conservatism, however, are ideologies that try to teach women 21+ that they somehow still have power over men in their own age range and older.
[I think when you say ‘alpha’ you actually mean ‘playboy/girl’,]
That is what assholes call us..usually a bitter older woman whom we are not interest in or a cowardly male who feels he needs to be on the good side of the older women because he feels he doesn’t deserve the women 18-21 whom he proves everyday he is really interested in (because porn features only women that age mostly and all men use porn).
[and when you say ‘beta’ you actually mean ‘alpha’, in the sense that those are the decent folks who build this world and who keep it going]
Decent, to you, means not rejecting you for being too lazy to go to the gym. What you would call a “playboy” might also own the construction company to help build the world or the new company to cure cancer. Roissy doesn’t post that much because he is busy making the world a better place outside the realm of posting some thoughts on the net.
[A real ‘alpha’ of either sex doesn’t define themselves by shagging around, but by building a successful life with their mate.]
It has been noted that an Alpha might dry hump with women (for instance woman keeps her panties on) more often than engage in intercourse…because it wouldn’t be right at all to get a disease when one has 3 or more girlfriends.
The bottom line is getting sexual satisfaction with those you most want that from…and that would mostly be with the 18-21 year old daughters of betas.
But as for “successful mating”, that is beta by definition if the man continues to look at porn or cheats in his heart as the beta Jimmy Carter once said. Roissy recognizes that betas are needed to be accountants and worker bees and give birth to females whom alphas can shag 18 years down the road.
Betas are valued for those reasons.
[Playboys and playgirls are narcissistic parasites of society, not ‘alphas’ — they are closer to baboons in culture than to human beings.]
Translation: I am an overweight woman who agrees with laws like IMBRA that attempt to prevent US males from meeting gorgeous young foreign women. Hating older men who won’t get married to someone their own age is also the reason why I call myself a feminist or why I go to church to pray for social reengineering of society.
Do you support laws to stop playboys?
[Let’s name them for what they really are, not for what they want us to believe them to be…!]
Alphas mainly care what your 18-21 year old daughter thinks of them and only for a few years at that. Obviously, to be liked by the daughters, alphas may need to be friendly enough with the beta fathers and mothers. But not to the point of accepting the bullshit you just posted.
And I’ve “mated” with young women whose parents were like you. Daughters rebel against parents who hate alphas.
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Whiskey,
My experience has been that high IQ is necessary to have the best game. Engineers in my experience often had good game, at least in college where they were the only ones who stood up against feminism in the 80s and the women always wanted to go to their parties.
In dating some Ivy League women (having met via online dating sites), the books I had read and the knowledge and skills I had were critical.
High IQ sperm will only start to fail to perpetuate itself if the marriage strike gets worse because feminists make it too risky to get married.
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Testosterone? It ain’t true IQ and it are negatively correlated at the extremes. A lot of smart folk have it beaten out of ’em by school and their expected social role (Beta) along the way though.
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”””Anonymous
Testosterone? It ain’t true IQ and it are negatively correlated at the extremes. A lot of smart folk have it beaten out of ‘em by school and their expected social role (Beta) along the way though.
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Hell yea your parents try to beat your independance out and take your freedom. School does the same. Life does the same. Religion same. Work same. A lot of crap to run through before you can get to the other side.
When you show you cannot be beaten into submission then things tend to change up and you gain power.
‘“”””No one loves a soldier ’til the enemy’s at the gate,” too.””””””’
Not really my experience soldiers usually do fine with the ladies when they want to.
Although for the ones who have the wife leaving them a lot have found healing in the arms of a thailand chick. You may want to try that out he he he
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””””Experience breaks the illusion and illusion is all that make it emotionally “real” and gets ‘gina tingles going. ””””””””
Liars have to lie because they haven’t done shit. What if your experience is what the liars lie about. What if you make your movie the one woman want to be involved in by the way you have lived your life. What if you don’t have to provide an illusion because you make the real better than the fairy tale. Just provide the vision for future life that a woman can be involved in. Present life fuck their brains out.
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Asian mail order bride would solve the problem of getting hit on by married women (with kids in tow, in front of husbands, etc. often) while any decent woman I approach only gives me the “Oh, I know what you want” look for my trouble. (I doubt the “wild single life” has gotten any different since I’ve been hitched.)
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Adventurous sh*t usually isn’t sexy, just dumb (exciting, yes; f*cked-up, often). Fiction has to make sense, this stuff doesn’t. (I write fiction as a hobby.)
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No mail order actually go there. Everyone who has that I knew came back happy.
But yea the divorce thing more than likely will fuck you up for a bit.
Adventure is having a foursome on valentines because you had the balls to ask.
The truth will set you free he he he
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Yeah, the divorce thing doesn’t feel too good right now, I know that.
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“xsplat
The perfect answer to a virgin’s insisting that she will wait at least six months before fucking you? Laugh like it’s the most absurd thing you’ve ever heard, and say ya, right. More like three dates.
The perfect answer to your girlfriend telling you she can’t eat at a restaurant that cooks pork, because the pans will be sullied with taboo meat? Laugh and call her an idiot.
Don’t be sensitive. Set the frame. Assume authority. Be authoritative.”
And thieve her integrity in the name of pleasure, in order to serve a hubris born of a premature investment and feeling of importance that you attached to your ego? For which you got burned (and rightly so) by women, who are now no longer counted among the righteous in your own personal desert of a “mythology”.
When will you boys figure out that you actually *are* the authority, and you don’t just have to act like it to get girls to validate you? Of course a woman’s religion can be ‘bypassed’ by turning her on. That doesn’t elevate it to a higher principle, or expose the ‘truth’ of what women are like: they are feelers, intuit, and the man is always the provider. He must provide the authority which protects her from intrusions of the outside world and a good mythology is one of the things that does this.
This intrusion and rationalist hubris is the reason that femininity has no place in this world, and now we are finally finding out that masculinity goes nowhere without it.
You might not care but at the very least a lack of love betrays a lack of authority, and a “beta” foundation.
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In other words leave the Catholics alone to do their thing, and have a little respect: one’s respect for women is one’s respect for his own heart, and if women don’t seem to value that today on a visceral level, it’s only evidence of how deeply the womb of man has internalized the denial of one’s essential goodness, and endless pursuit of external authority (and contingency upon the bright lights).
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I went to an top school too and it is similar to how the guys from Harvard and Dartmouth described. Girls are mediocre looking and the few above average ones act like supermodels. Status is king; girls can care less about your personal qualities, and in fact, status is more important than looks. You need to be in the right fraternity, the right athletic team, and have the right car.
Now, I’m in law school, and it isn’t really that different as far as mediocre girls thinking they’re special and God’s gift to earth. And law school girls have terrible personalities in general, so it’s even worse. Thankfully, I’m in NYC and I can meet women outside my school.
College is generally not a poon heaven. First one must remember that girls generally, though not always like slightly older guys and freshmen and sophomores can be especially left out, and in many top schools they tend to be virgins, I’m guessing.
I’m wondering about the Dartmouth guy who posted. Now I’m sure you’re right about men at Dartmouth being much better than the women…I went to Cornell and I’m sure the situation is the same. Outdoorsy, athletic guys and barely passable girls. But man, you’re on the football team? You guys are supposed to be some of the alphas getting all the ass.
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gunslingergregi: “But yea the divorce thing more than likely will fuck you up for a bit”.
You mean like this guy? Below is a blog by a man in MA who spent Christmas in the Boston jail, because he had lost his job and could not pay alimony after 13 years of payments. He is paying his ex $40,000 a year — and she is making $80,000 a year. He is just out and now he has to go back to trying to make the payments even though he has no money:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2582919/how_i_spent_my_christmas_vacation_or.html?cat=17
Welcome to the U.S.S.A. !!!!
Our laws are literally telling us to go the way of the Cad … because the way of the Dad leads only to doom.
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[…] Roissy – “Is College a Poon Nirvana?” […]
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Hey guys, I’m setting up a date with a new girl, and in her text message she playfully says: ‘your first test will be to find a good restaurant I like.’
I think my reply should contain a friendly test for her as well. Do you guys have any advice?
[editor: simple way to pass this test. reply: “mcdonald’s it is!]
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Parthenon
Your neme suggests you have a reverent idea towards virginity.
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“I think my reply should contain a friendly test for her as well. Do you guys have any advice?”
Reply: You’re funny.
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Whiskey
No there are not studies that show that correllation in adolescents. The study you mention is for boys that have not reached puberty yet.
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Jack Arthur, I could not make heads or tails out of what you said. Something about how Catholic girls should be put on a pedestal and their stupid insane fucked up idiotic religion put on a pedestal and white lights and santa clause and moonbeams and moon dances and oh my god women are incredible.
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And of course their testosterone will double, Whiskey. More than double. Those boys didn’t even have functioning testes yet.
You are deliberately thick about this subject. That’s not an insult, it’s a statement of fact. Watching you dance around this subject has proven with no doubt that you are deliberately not thinking accurately about it.
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And where is this evidence about a correlation between risk taking and IQ, Whiskey?
If there are no studies, and it’s your theory based on your life experiences and anecdotes, fine. Just be clear about that. The way you talk about it you come across as if this has been studied and documented.
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There reason why a study of pre-adolescents is not dispositive is because there may be a significant correlation between higher IQ and delayed physical maturity.
I agree that a study of adults is needed.
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Moderation again. In bits again then.
Jack – you are clearly insane. Respect for the womb of ones own heart. Look, dude, not everyone values virginity. Get it? Probably I have to say that a million and three hundred times before you’d even hear it as if once. YOU value virginity. I don’t. Steal virginity? It was useless to begin with. Of no value.
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Some people value virginity. Good on them. I don’t. Many men don’t. Most men nowadays get married to women who are not virgins, and most are perfectly content with that.
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A lot of guys don’t even prefer vargins. Its no longer a western value. Maybe forty percent of guys would prefer it, but don’t much mind one way or the other. Maybe 10 percent of guys would really really prefer it. Maybe 2 percent of men insist on it and won’t marry anything other than a virgin. I’m just making these numbers up – but the point is there are numbers. Not everyone is the same.
NOT all Catholics, just because they are catholics. are stuck and fixed and nailed to this notion of virginity before marriage. They are just girls. Just human females. Catholicism is just some stupid useless idea in their head. Most of those girls will outgrow it and turn into normal rational adults. The ones who remain developmentally impaired and believe in Santa Clause and the Three Ghosts up into adulthood – well, if they can’t protect their perfect little vaginas from the intrusion of an unholy penis, fuck em.
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Maybe 10 percent of guys would really really prefer it. Maybe 2 percent of men insist on it and won’t marry anything other than a virgin. I’m just making these numbers up – but the point is there are numbers. Not everyone is the same.
NOT all Catholics, just because they are catholics. are stuck and fixed and nailed to this notion of virginity before marriage. They are just girls. Just human females. Catholicism is just some stupid useless idea in their head. Most of those girls will outgrow it and turn into normal rational adults. The ones who remain developmentally impaired and believe in Santa Clause and the Three Ghosts up into adulthood – well, if they can’t protect their perfect little vaginas from the intrusion of an unholy penis, fuck em.
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Polymath, perhaps you would like to take a look at this website for your daughter (or other children you may have) and consider sparing her/them the indignity that is college today. http://www.lowestcostcolleges.com/
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There are no catholic girls There are no feminists. There are no muslims. There are just girls. Take a hundred handfuls of girls with a wide range of personalities, mix with diced religions, bake for 19 years, and most of what you get is still fuckable.
What girls think doesn’t much matter. It matters some. But really, not much. A muslim can be just as personable as a feminist, as can a atheist. The force of the mans personality will still define the woman, no matter what she thinks. If she is attracted and bonded to the man, regardless of what the girl brings to the table, the man will learn to excersise his authority, tame the girl, grow love and bonds, and run a smooth household.
Girls don’t cling to ideas all that strongly. They cling to their men foremost.
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I’ve come to realize that Mark Twain’s old quote applies more than ever to this corner of the internet:
“When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries of life disappear and life stands explained.”
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“Girls don’t cling to ideas all that strongly. They cling to their men foremost.”
Their “ideas” are fundamentally a shit test, and woe unto any men who plays along instead of asserting his authority.
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men=man
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Woken up by jet leg, Pupu must resist the temptation to start counting again. Where are the girls on this board? They must be buried under the snow.
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@Parthenon
I guess “I got your restaurant right here” wouldn’t work in a first date situation. But if you have known this girl for some time as part of a social group and/or you’ve already gone on a few dates, then you should consider using it. 🙂
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The landscape viewed from sky is transformed by snow — stunning, like pencil sketches. Spring will bring color back from under the snow.
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Pupu, the girls are all getting married. They no longer need our sage wisdom.
When are we going to see some more PupuPics?
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Here’s my candidate for ALPHA MALE OF THE YEAR!
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Jerusalem (CNN) — An Israeli man accused of having 23 wives and fathering 59 children was charged Sunday in a Tel Aviv court with multiple counts of sexual assault, rape, sodomy and enslavement.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/14/israel.polygamy.charges/index.html
….Ratzon’s cult has been known to the authorities for about 10 years, they said, but it was only about six months ago they succeeded in convincing one of the women to file a complaint. That brought about his arrest last month.
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[Me] Rape, schmape. These women were all there of their free choice, it’s crashingly obvious. Check out the picture of the guy, he’s amazingly handsome even at 60. The guy must have game skills like Bill Gates has spare change.
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The most sobering moment is when the simple-minded, sweet girl who was known to engage in threesomes and bisexuality but who is now married engages in such cutsey things like Facebook “Superpokes” and well-wishing all-inclusive non-judgemental ego-petting among her other married couple friends.
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@xsplat
What the fucking jew niger. How much more specific do u want? I already said that cunt is college age, low self esteem/ugly entourage, b cup, great ass and Russian. My main question was does her being Russian matter at all in gaming that bitch. How much more specific do u want? Should I note her nipple length, attire and first line when I approach her? WTF dude u don’t make any fucking sense, and it’s really fucking pissing me off. If u have nothing constructive to say then don’t say shit ur wasting my valuable mofo time.
So to anyone with game how should I go on approaching a college aged Russian blond who seems to be distant with everyone? Is she the shy type or what?
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Tupac,
Here are 2 pics from Pupu:
Virginia covered under snow:
http://picasaweb.google.com/112124938103402521924/Virginia#5438372704491930194
Virginia in color:
http://www.bookofjoe.com/2006/03/virginia_by_t_s.html
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”””’Pupu
The landscape viewed from sky is transformed by snow — stunning, like pencil sketches. Spring will bring color back from under the snow.
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I’ll see that in three days.
You might as well do your numbersthing it has been a while since you had your fix.
Yea Tupac the pua and mra sites doing a good job convincing woman it is in their best interest.
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The King, you could try asking her if she likes racist cavemen. If she says Yes, you’re in!
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Watching godfather II’
And Michael Corleone gets told by his wife that she didn’t think it could happen and that she felt no love for him anymore.
Then he is like I know you have a lot of pain about the misscarriage and we will have anoth kid I can change. I have the strength to change.
She is like you can’t really see I had an abortion not a misscarriage. I wouldn’t bring another one of your sons into this world.
Dam
He is killing dudes like their life is meaningless but the bitch wife who tries to tear his heart out gets a little slap and a promise to change. Poor bastards.
It has always been taught bitches get a free pass for anything.
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“Jack Arthur, I could not make heads or tails out of what you said. Something about how Catholic girls should be put on a pedestal and their stupid insane fucked up idiotic religion put on a pedestal and white lights and santa clause and moonbeams and moon dances and oh my god women are incredible.”
Women are round and of course they are wonderful, or don’t you think so?
Put them on a pedestal if you wish; that reverence serves one well in adolescence until it gives way to love, once you start to comprehend that they really are yours. I think it’s a good (and funny) story but sometimes premature investments can get a person burned, and burn scars cause blind spots. The blind spots are there because we reject the investment, while clinging to the self-important mentality that got us there.
If you want to know what happens next I’ll tell you (and if you don’t I won’t): the blind spots are filled with pretended enemies (and idiots) so that they can be safely and coolly ignored, while a squat tower is built using philia instead of eros (drawing upon flat memory instead of the soul)… with one eye asquint to make sure it doesn’t fall down. Pleasure becomes a guiding principle along with the avoidance of pain at all costs (even though these cannot exist independently).
From there every last drop is drained from the desert and every bit of roundness flattened out to shore up the conscious mandate.
The end result is gender androgeny in the urgent quest for immediate utility, along with infertility and general malaise.
In the end we may have to start importing Catholic girls to wake our men from their slumber. The only trouble here would be competition, as Catholic cultures produce an apparently inordinate number of male “naturals”.
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“xsplat
Moderation again. In bits again then.
Jack – you are clearly insane. Respect for the womb of ones own heart. Look, dude, not everyone values virginity. Get it? Probably I have to say that a million and three hundred times before you’d even hear it as if once. YOU value virginity. I don’t. Steal virginity? It was useless to begin with. Of no value.”
Shrug, not everyone values their own heart either. I don’t care what you believe.
I don’t care about the biological state of virginity either. What matters is that for which it is symbolic, and the preservation of the integrity of the mythology will allow for the original (and unfettered) metaphysics to proceed as normal.
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Jack Arthur, if you are trying to communicate such that other people understand you, you might consider using language and concepts that are in the public domain of common understanding. Because to my ears what you are writing is just gibberish. Like you cut up a book of poetry, tossed it in the air, and pasted the pieces into your post.
The word hebephrenic comes to mind.
‘he preservation of the integrity of the mythology will allow for the original (and unfettered) metaphysics to proceed as normal.’
wtf was that?
Clearly insane. Or at the very least, not partaking of any consensual reality.
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Girls don’t cling to ideas all that strongly. They cling to their men foremost.
I believe that. But with some religions and/or ethnic groups there is the little issue of male relatives. Go and seduce the daughter of the wrong, say, Arab or Kurdish family, and it will get her and possibly you killed.
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Ya, married women are tricky to deal with also. But for every niche, you’ll find a specialist.
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So glad to see that the link inspired such an awesome post from Roissy. Cheers 🙂
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“I’ll see that in three days.
You might as well do your numbersthing it has been a while since you had your fix.”
The numbersthing has had its fix of Pupu. Safe trip back home, Gunny.
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Thanks Pupu,
Good luck with your own thing whatever that may be.
Ya actually did pretty good on the h thread lol
Had me doing research and everything.
Dang information crunchers he he he
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Roissy, have you seen this?
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/b2ayj/i_caught_her_cheating_and_got_revenge_on/
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@MethuselahX
lol Actually most women love raciest cavemen. It translates to opinionated brute. All people are raciest deal with it. Isn’t nationalism or pride a form of racism?
I’m sure Russian girls love angry drunks, why do u think that trait doesn’t die out?
Funny how most of u spend so much time arguing with each other, cuz u all seemed to lack any real game and don’t have the balls to go out on the field and get any. No wonder none of you have any insight. Reading PUA materials won’t help, just makes you a key board jockey.
MethuselahX if you are an girl you must be fugly, past the prime and bitter that you can’t get any bad boys aka alphas.
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Hi xsplat
“‘he preservation of the integrity of the mythology will allow for the original (and unfettered) metaphysics to proceed as normal.’
wtf was that?”
It means that a mythology and its attendant symbols stand for an experiential (or metaphysical) reality, and that the integrity of this symbology serves to preserve and highlight the metaphysical action for such time when it takes place (in its own time according to the individual).
Kind of like keeping the ‘inner sanctum’ free of defilements like shame, fame, and blame until such time that an ‘alpha’ is born.
Healthy biological action and fertility (physical conception) functions the same as healthy metaphysical action and original thought, though the former is lower heirarchically and ultimately proceeds from the latter, even when the machinations of the latter are hidden from the conscious mind or prying eyes. That is why I say that integrity is the most important thing, and that I don’t care about virginity, but that reverence is an important part of the process of understanding.
I enjoyed your post on dreams, above.
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Jack, I don’t believe in platonic ideals or symbology relating causaly to reality. I make a distinction between the map and the territory, and don’t see them as causaly related. Seems to me a very confused thinking process that imports too much meaning where unwarranted, and can’t distinguish between symbols and the referents.
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Dat is da sh*t!
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/b2ayj/i_caught_her_cheating_and_got_revenge_on/
(The crying by him as a little wussy, but– he’s right– it did make the ring bit more realistic.)
Girls, be advised: This is what hypergamy gets you.
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Bah, it’s what cheating gets you.
I prefer having my little harem and I don’t expect fidelity. That went out the first time a lovely creature gave me a blowjob at 6:30pm , went out on a date with another guy and then came to me at 1 a.m. the same night for sex.
With that little event I was blasted over to the dark side and in the Devlin/Roissy universe forever more.
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Also, to our anonymous 150+IQ military man, I thank you for your service. Learn greater game funneling your already major alpha characteristics and enjoy your spoils. If high-IQ nerd like myself can routinely bring home HB8+ and frequently HB10, you can clean up.
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“xsplat
Jack, I don’t believe in platonic ideals or symbology relating causaly to reality. I make a distinction between the map and the territory”
But while your distinction is a feature of the map, it is not a reality of the territory.
On your map, which is your explanation, “the map”, and “the territory” are symbols which attempt to convey a reality: “the territory”. The territory is the metaphysical reality around which you organize your symbols, and it is that which the map is about.
And yet, even if I were not able to comprehend the meaning behind your point – the difference between a symbol and a reality – I could still incorporate your explanation into my imagination (or put your map into my backpack) because you’ve rendered it as an analogy and related it to my experience of maps and territories.
In the future were I to experience the “territory” signified by your map, the map would reemerge as an intuit guide helping to tease out the fullness of understanding of this experience.
“Seems to me a very confused thinking process”
Until such time that it is understood. Trouble though is that the territory can absorb the map, but the map cannot absorb the territory, and so in the end we must decide whether we want to be an explorer or a native (and it doesn’t help us if we’re famous for our explorations).
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Jack, are you a troll? WTF are you going on about? Are you one of these Peter Pan I believe I can Fly guys? Dude, you are the most unclear writer I’ve ever read. Is that a deliberate affectation? Is English your first language? Get out much? Philosophies about philosphies, ad infinitum. I think you are a stuck between parallel mirrors in the barbershop of your mind, and keep looking at your thoughts bouncing off of each other, until you’ve lost track of what’s the original reflection and where you are and how many of what there is and what relates to what. Stuck in a hall of mirrors in your own head, until by now everything is just words, and you think that’s real.
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JB lied to himself:
Yes, I’m sure all those children raised in “single parent households” or psychotically abused by the typical American parents…. who also had to go through our new, and horrible, school system will just magically learn how to be good husbands and wives all by themselves with no decent examples in their childhood.
We’ve got, what, 20 percent of the population extremely damaged in some way?
But, ya see, JB will FACE IT DOWN. And here is how. He will COMMAND the broken to walk upon their broken legs. He will scream the EXPECTATION…. like any good whore, of his NEEDS.
That will last a few minutes, then he will shut up because it is becoming obvious some of the people his is screaming at would like to beat him to death.
The system cannot be fixed.
Note:And I’m ignoring all the economic problems that would strain a normal, healthy system…. and the fact that our system of laws would have to be magically fixed right now in order for the people raised in a dysfunctional environment to actually fail on their own.
Oh, and I’m ignoring the immigration problem, and the war problem, and the oil problem. In fact, my negative interpretation is actually a delusional fantasy world of craziness. But heh, the key is to be TOUGH. Scream in the face of others what YOU WANT, JB.
Then we can talk about demographics. Oh yes, that’s gonna be a problem to.
I would suggest moving in the direction of away.
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Wanna get laid in college?
Be an athlete in an alpha sport. Meaning…
1. Football (Cheerleaders and groupies.)
2. Basketball
3. Baseball
Many I mean almost all football players are naturals.
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I submit my candidate for Beta of the Year, if no one else has seen this yet:
http://planetgrok.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/beta-of-the-year/
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Wow – the thread devolved. I can’t get into the metaphysical stuff. My IQ is not high enough. That is only good enough to read the books and see the movies that the women are likely to have read…and seduce them by just regurgitating it back to them (knowing details about the Titanic disaster or filming or the Twilight books and films will do the trick with most in the relevant age range).
Anyway, I couldn’t use the the URL on Twitter because it is X rated and 6000 Twitter followers include a lot of Catholic leaders and GOP senators and Congresspeople.
@Harvard Stay where you are. The status of your school plus @Stanford make it worth dealing with the overly-affected and soon to be over-the-hill undergrads. All other guys, move to a university in a country where the language will be valuable for business…and learn the language. It will get you women plus a huge skill that will help you slaughter the competition for jobs.
I remember an MIT man laughing at me when we both interviewed for a US government job. He said “if I don’t get the job, you won’t” because he had studied international relations and I had just been a military grunt. Of course, I got the job because the interviewer valued my service PLUS I spoke the needed language better (as a result of dating the women in that country). The MIT guy had probably gone sexless for 4 years and still gained no added value in the job world.
So if you are not scoring in a college of rude bitches, forget the idea that you just need some game (you probably do need some but its better not to learn it with those who got b an American undergrad women’s studies course) . Do your undergrad overseas and score effortlessly and then go back and score in the US with the confidence you gained from being in the real world.
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Question, are “betas” really more interested in sucking alpha cock themselves than in the girls? Something to think about.
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””””bassleut
I’d like to nominate Joe Rogan as Alpha of the month/year/whatever.
Check out this video where he lays it down on feminist:
And for the game in movies and tv category, I’d say Hank Moody in Californication has more than any I’ve seen ever.
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Roisy may have missed this. Joe Rogan is actually the real deal.
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link
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El Quapo said: “Also, to our anonymous 150+IQ military man, I thank you for your service. Learn greater game funneling your already major alpha characteristics and enjoy your spoils. If high-IQ nerd like myself can routinely bring home HB8+ and frequently HB10, you can clean up.”
Thanks. Am working on it. Feels sorta dishonest with people who have no gut feel for why character is important (and think it’s wussy) though. And, focusing on a woman like she’s a target I’m trying to kill (if I were a psychopath, it wouldn’t bother me; I’m not and it does)… (Most folk don’t deal with what I do or the default to not doing that in their personal lives, I realize– I’ve gotten “You’re living in a sewer, Frank!” talk from Bullitt a lot in my life.) But PUA Game is how we make up for play heroics being more attractive than the real thing nowadays, I know.
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on marriage lol
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“Oh, and I’m ignoring the immigration problem, and the war problem, and the oil problem. In fact, my negative interpretation is actually a delusional fantasy world of craziness. But heh, the key is to be TOUGH. Scream in the face of others what YOU WANT, JB.”
Apparently “the key” is to flatter yourself that you are the only enlightened one who sees these things as a problem, and everyone else is a pacified dope.
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In fact, dude, wtf are you even talking about?
Oil problem? Immigration problem?
There are technological and political solutions to both.
The world doesn’t stand in one place. Spend less of your time screaming chicken little and actually research some of the technological trends taking place in this world.
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I am not a fanboy of anyone but I really like Joe Rogan. His comedy is nice and offensive, but it’s also insightful. Like Stanhope but less misanthropic.
And he doesn’t take much shit and is a massive drug user who actually takes care of business and makes money. I like that combination.
And that fucking cunt feminist is Lydia Lunch. She had a fucking shitty band in the 90s that stole the name of one of my favorite writers and I will never forgive her for shitting upon Harry Crews’ name. The only way it would have been better would have been for her to take a swing at him and he knock her the fuck out, but that would be too much to ask for I reckon.
His verbal rape of “Carlos Mencia” was great too.
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I have a question that is off the subject here, but this is my first post and I don’t know where else to go here.
I’ve seen on this site where if a woman says she misses you, under no circumstances should you say “I miss you too”. But I do this with my woman, its like catnip and she comes over for the conjugal visit. Then she goes back to her husband leaving me to sleep in peace. Is it wrong to say “I miss you too” if it leads to this happy result? Or is it a beta thing either way you look at it. Just wonered.
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JB said:
There are no currently existing technological solutions to the oil problem. Do you mean solutions in THEORY? Oh yes, I’m sure there are.
The point is, JB boy, that even should Americans and their Elite get off their ass and fix the oil problem and the immigration problem and the war problem and the economic problem and the laws that destroy marriage…. which in my opinion is too many problems to fix at this late date even in a healthy environment….. the demographic problem and the 20% off people who simply have no idea HOW to have a stable marriage, having never seen one when growing up, or who have been permanently damaged by their parents and teachers, simply cannot be completely fixed.
Oh yeah, and the Boomers are retiring.
That’s a lot o problems. I don’t really see the magic fixes you do.
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Given the economic malaise, bureaucrats are entrenching and refusing to surrender any power at all. As are the privileged.
I don’t really think they will change. I think it is possibly a bad idea to try to convince them to.
Witness the farce that is “health care reform”. Even with the super-lollipop of Mandatory Health Insurance the established interests still refused to fix the most broken anti-free market health-care system in the world. They imagine they will be able to keep growing at 10% a year somehow.
JB, you can imagine, much like a drunken Cossack, that had you not fallen off your horse leaving the village you would have successfully gone out and defeated the whole German Army.
This belief is false.
In truth, JB, you have no intention of even trying. Or even thinking what would be necessary to try. Or understanding anything, JB, at all. Except what JB wants and how he can get it in a short-sighted, bloody-minded, and viscous way.
The drunken Cossack, indeed, is completely superior to you, JB, as he TRIED. And was willing to risk HIMSELF, rather than other people. Which is the JB way.
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Dude, stop ranting, ok? You sound like a crazy person.
“There are no currently existing technological solutions to the oil problem. Do you mean solutions in THEORY? Oh yes, I’m sure there are.”
Umm, bullshit. We can convert to natural gas fairly quickly if there’s political will. We’re likely to have major breakthroughs in ultracapacitors this year so we can ramp up EVs.
The biggest obstacles are political. But politics changes fairly quickly when things reach a critical point.
“the demographic problem and the 20% off people who simply have no idea HOW to have a stable marriage, having never seen one when growing up, or who have been permanently damaged by their parents and teachers, simply cannot be completely fixed.”
People were doing some dumb shit politically even in an era of virtually no divorce, so “stable families” isn’t a panacea for stupid politics. Stupid politics contains its own corrective – reality.
Here’s your algorithm in a nutshell:
I see bad things a,b,c,d,e and f. Therefore trends will continue linearly until disaster.
But like I said, that’s a naive way of looking at the world because trends DO NOT NECESSARILY continue linearly until disaster. You have black swans, game changers, critical points and so on. Things that seemed impossible a few years ago become commonplace.
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JB,
i believe that the contention to your initial post was that stern examination (and the incumbent revelation) will not weed out any troublesome behavior on its own.
By your logic, as I am wrapping my head around it, the “oil problem” will be solved because it can be solved. I’m down with that I guess.
But take the “immigration problem” to such an extent. The solution is an ugly mindset, endgame being either Eloi/Morlocks or a primitive base satiation that cannot ever have a lower lowest common denominator… unless the talent floor is leveled by cannibalism, perhaps.
Black swans are a great jesus-piece, and I mean that in the way that raekwon’s necklace is a “jesus-piece”. But let us consider the tyranny of liberalism, that natural direction of all mammalian species. burgess’ “the wanting seed”, houllebecq’s “elementary particles”, hubert selby jr’s “the demon”, p.d. james’ “children of men”, and hopefully a few more that i haven’t found yet. of course global warming is (fake, but also not only) moot because we will invent a matter transporter to shoot our excrement into another universe within two or three hundred years. obviously.
my reigning favorite fatalist wikipedia link is Fermi’s Paradox. YOU SHALL LOVE IT AND DESPAIR!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
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“One evo theory suggests the reason for Euro women’s exemplary beauty stems from a time in the distant past when large numbers of eligible paleobachelors were killed off hunting big prey, leaving the remaining men to choose from among the hordes of lonely women. These men likely chose the hottest babes to pass on their genes, ushering forth the big-eyed neotenous era we have today.”
I don’t believe our ancient paleo ancestors dying would have created hotter babes. If that was the case, why are the descendants of indigenous people living in South America soo butt ugly considering a portion of them still lead that same paleo lifestyle today? Males dying in hunts has always been the case, so from a naturalist standpoint, natural selection has built-in safeguards to handle men dying with that kind of frequency from that type of lifestyle. Without technology skewing the results, that is the natural order of things.
Now a unique historic event like say, a mass extinction, an ice age, or…a Global War, would kill off enough men to cause that kind of disparity in the market, which would give men a lot more leverage to fuck only the pretty women and ignore the war pigs.
The past 1000 years of never-ending 100-year European Wars, ending with World War I & II support that theory. There is a lot of literature chronicles a generation of millions of European women who became spinsters after loosing their husbands and boyfriends to World War I. I would bet the prettier ones became mistresses who raised bastard children. Ditto for WW II. The numbers PROVE this theory:
Deaths
World War I: 6,821,248 civilians, 9,721,937 military for a total of 16 million deaths and an estimated total 31 million dead after disease, starvation and other factors are included. That’s almost 2 percent (made up mostly of men) of a total population of 1 billion people who lived in the countries involved. That 2 percent doubled in World War II.
World War II: 40 to 52 million civillians, 22 to 25 million military for a total of 60 to 80 million. Again that’s 4 percent of a total 2 billion people.
That’s a lot of dead guys.
A further look at the percentages also explains and validates Roissey’s love for Russian and Eastern European women. Those countries had the highest percentage of deaths. Poland came in highest at 16.7%, Soviet Union at 14.18%, Lithuania 13.71%, Latvia 11.38%, Estonia 5%. In comparison, the allied countries averaged 1 to 2 percent.Throw in a couple of Stalins purges and you have a recipe that yields a lot hot Russian women.
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Stirge: Don’t worry. Someone with Alpha Cred doesn’t agonize over whether his “I miss you too” will have this or that effect on a woman. He is confident that he will get what he wants. The idea that one should worry about this kind of thing is one of the largest problems with PUA theory.
With Alpha Cred, a man can say and do beta things. As long as the cred tank is full, it can make you look more human and adorable.
One of the best things to say to a woman you are dating is “So, do you miss me”? That forces her to state her romantic feelings for you (or not) and it frames things.
Regarding the JB and Doomsayer argument: I have found that men get laid more in times of great crisis and turmoil.
I saw this financial crisis as my friend. Be happy that fathers everywhere are less able to give their 18-21 year old daughters enough cash to fulfill their wants. Remember the Beach Boys “She’ll have fun til her daddy takes her TBird away”.
We want crisis to transform the US feminist culture while we probably also want the social conservatives to lose supremacy in the US GOP.
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i’m the francisco d’anconia up in this bitch! i might be licking your pussy, but then i will sneak a snuke up in that bitch! i’m like george sodini in he-man armor on a riding tiger! suck my castle greyskull
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”””We want crisis to transform the US feminist culture while we probably also want the social conservatives to lose supremacy in the US GOP.”””
Yea but how many would die in the first months of a real meltdown.
How many people could provide their own food and water?
In the end that is all that is needed but if you don’t have it could be a problem for continued existance.
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“castle greyskull” is the new proverbial reference to my dick that i will assign this month.
but now “the killing room” concept starts to live and breathe. if i say my ingenuous ideas out loud, i might select myself for an early exit. their goal is not to have me have a revelation, though a a truly smart guy would figure that out. could i appeal to join?
fuuuuuck
it is a great movie
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”””””my reigning favorite fatalist wikipedia link is Fermi’s Paradox. YOU SHALL LOVE IT AND DESPAIR!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
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Was good he he he
At the same time we basically have the capability of having everything automated. Just too diverse to allow all that free time.
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Jack (overseas)
I’m going to take your advice and run with it. Seeing as how I get what I want without having to take care of her, things are going to stay the way they are.
“So, do you miss me?”
Brilliant advice. I can’t wait for the next time she asks to come over and clean my house. That’s the line to use.
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A few corrections of this:
Ultracapacitors are so cool! If cavemen had ultracapacitors they would have been able to do…. nothing with them. Maybe use them to keep the fur-pelt from blowing away in the cave mouth.
You see, ultracapacitors are STORAGE device. They do NOT supply the initial power. Same thing with hydrogen fuel cells. Where is the power SOURCE?
I read, from very reliable people, that natural gas was in terminal decline in America. I read that ten years ago. Ten years! And natural gas declines like a mother. At least they made a very, very convincing case for this. I have no idea what strange actions have allowed Americans to create an “alternate reality” up to this point.
This winter is lasting a long time. Maybe it will be when you discover that Pennsylvania magic new “natural gas” that was never discovered in TWO HUNDRED YEARS is in fact fake.
Maybe you won’t. But the situation is completely unstable. America should have had a natural gas crisis already. It’s all very strange.
Maybe the gas crisis will scare some sense into people. And it will happen. This year, two years from now. Maybe three. Really, it should have happened already.
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Wait a sec. Six women for every four men and yet there remain men who can’t get laid? How could this be?
I too was under the impression that a skewed sex ratio would help out most guys. But then I dated a chick who went to Vassar for undergrad and she said it just made the girls try that much harder to score the few guys who were worth it. Most guys were still shit out of luck. And the effective sex ratio at Vassar is even greater when you account for all the mos who attend.
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You see, ultracapacitors are STORAGE device. They do NOT supply the initial power. Same thing with hydrogen fuel cells. Where is the power SOURCE?
There are gargantuan amounts of coal in the world. There’s also uranium and thorium. The world will NOT run out of primary energy in the foreseeable future.
Besides, what North Americans could do is get their houses properly insulated. That alone would make a big dent in power demand.
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The Russians and the Chinese are even worse wasters of energy.
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I did a quick search on (Ms.?) Alex Williams, who wrote the New York Times article. It turns out that Williams is a guy, but he might as well be Ms. Williams. He’s a total beta, who got married in August to a supposedly younger woman with a huge lantern jaw. Check out his wedding announcement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/fashion/weddings/30GODDARD.html?_r=1
I think I just found February’s Beta of the Month.
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Regarding energy, our prime challenge is a storage device with a high energy/density ratio, for use in ships and airplanes. Automobiles and household needs could be run off of the grid, and the grid could be powered by wind, solar, geo, plus our reserves of coal in the shorter term.
As of now we don’t have cost viable storage technologies for electricity to be used in ships and planes. It can’t be batteries, it has to be either metals or synthetic hydrocarbons. Or just maybe we’ll use hydrocarbons produced by algae.
it is a disaster that more money isn’t going into upgrading the grid and filling it to overcapacity with wind, tidal, geo, and solar juice. There is only a 30 year pay off for those investments, after which the juice has paid back the cost of the infrastructure. Hardly huge payback time. A little foresight would be nice.
But as we know, politics isn’t about foresight.
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“Now a unique historic event like say, a mass extinction, an ice age, or…a Global War, would kill off enough men to cause that kind of disparity in the market, which would give men a lot more leverage to fuck only the pretty women and ignore the war pigs.”
The issue is, to some extent gorgeous women come from effeminate men, and vice versa. It’s a warpig gene-survival stratagem.
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Thanks.. I took your advice, everybody. I took her to McDonald’s drive-through and made her give me a BJ while I ate my burger. Not a bad date, and I passed her shit test.
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The vikings, more so than almost any other culture, were continually exporting their most aggressive men for centuries.
Fast-forward to the modern world and the “sensitive” vikings that stayed home have created the most soft, liberal societies in the world. (They’re also very successful societies… they exported their cavemen-males long ago.)
Were the vikings also creating a huge gender skew in which there was heightened pressure for men to provide the most resources to the hottest babes?
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Not so. As an example of his lack of affect and empathy, he once stated that not only did he not feel a sense of wellbeing after helping someone for the sake of it and being thanked, he didn’t even know what that was supposed to feel like. His lack of affect is a main theme of the show. Google the two words house and sociopath. His character is often used in the definition of sociopath. I think it’s even in wikipedia as the definition of sociopath.
The problem with noticing that is that most people have a pop culture notion of what a sociopath is. Roughly one in a hundred people are sociopaths, so chances are you know several. Roughly 10% of women display strong BPD traits, many of which are the same as sociopath traits, so chances are most people have dated girls who were pretty much sociopaths.
House’s motives are not about remorse or shame or the usual motivators that drive most people. That is presicely the whole F’in point of his character.
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Hey @Harvard!
Way to go dude, you are re-running my life from 30 years ago at another Ivy Institution!
Go to grad school in Southern Cal, the chicks are great looking there, smarter, friendlier and they do not have the massive anti-IQ prejudice you have on the East Coast.
The east coast elite schools were male-only for a reason. Can you imagine the stress of trying to do your current workload with a middle-of-the-bell-curve female IQ? No wonder all of these chicks are burned out, humorless droids.
I would also like to invite the editor and all self-proclaimed experts of alpha-ness to an Ivy League Poon Challenge.
The goal is to go to an Ivy Campus for a weekend (not during finals week) and have a make out session — no sex — with an Ivy League woman approaching if not equalling Hillary Clinton in looks.
This is the same poon course that Alpha-of-all-Alphas William Jefferson Clinton dominated back in the 1970s.
Game On!
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Why won’t anyone come out and say the obvious: the Males are getting wussier in each generation.
J B & xsplat:
To complete your theory you said you required a distinguishing criterion between alpha and the betas “created” by females. I think this would do, and further allows for integrating game as a fundamental aspect of the theory:
alpha is the male that wins the psychological game; the male that most of the time, if not always, is able to maintain a sense of alpha-hood *self evaluation* and thus achieve a measure of social dominance.
beta (even the top beta) is the male that is still subject to contextual feedback regarding his self evaluation.
I believe the phenomena is bottom-up and emergent and continuously subject to re-evaluation:
Female :
the females continuously test the males, applying pressure to force the male to reevaluate down in his self assessment, to achieve the collective goal of partitioning the male population between alphas and betas.
(“cunt”, “bitch”, “ball buster”, “slut”, “tease” …)
Male: “what do women want?” (lol : she wants you to tell her your measure. She wants information.)
(a) The “natural alpha” is the male that inherently psychologically dominates the females so they/she won’t even bother testing him. he is the walking check-mate. the ginas tingle.
(b) The beta is the male that is highly sensitive to external psychological pressure, and is at a given time psychologically dominated by the female.
[(“how do I approach my Russian ice queen? please someone, should I do it?”
translation:
guys, I am at this time self evaluating myself to be a beta. I’m scared shitless to approach that ‘scaaaarrry’ creature (“mousy”, “quiet”, “shy”, “no eye contact”!).
unless you guys tell me what to do, i will definitely fixate on beta hood and will adjust my behavior to signal this to the collective. (I will slouch, look at my feet, never approach girls, …)]
Game:
males, other than completely cocksure alphas and eternally hopeless gamas, do not have a fixed self valuation.
the game is psychological. (it doesn’t matter if there are physiological loops in the processes. the end goal is affecting the psyche of the female.)
alpha/zero AXIOM I: the alpha-beta partitioning of the male population is an emergent results of an ongoing and dynamic collective effort by both males and females.
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