February 17, 2010 by CH
I catch flak from some readers complaining that there is no way to draw a valid distinction between alpha and beta males. I don’t know what planet these readers live on (planet Delusional Tard?), but instead of pointing them to my dating market value test for men, I’ll just let a video speak for me. If this doesn’t help clear their muddled thinking, nothing will. Behold: Baba Beta!
“My teeth are a 10!” Howard Stern in his prime was comedy gold.
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The author of this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/181-8305467-8384945?a=0883969602
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Yeah, but Baba booey now has a hot blonde wife, two great sons, makes mad cash, and is loved around the world.
Oh shit. I forgot the pitch.
Whatever. I love you Fa fa Flo-hi.
Anyway, maybe some guys are OK settling down with the right woman and being a dad. He seems to be very happy with his life.
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I remember seeing that when Stern played it on his show back in the 90’s and it’s just as classic as it ever was. For those not in the know the chick in question that he sent the tape to of course never talked to him again and the whole thing was for not. Word to the wise: if you feel like having a gay, beta male, cry session at the very least do yourself a favor and do it in person and not on tape so the world can laugh at you. At the same time, bravo BabaBooey, that’s classic stuff.
Also, why does it come as no surprise you’re a Howard fan Roissy?
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Roissy, I miss those Herb photos you post and comment on.
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Actually they *DID* get back together after she saw the tape (i’m sure after having a god life) . But then it fizzled and he married a really good looking blonde chick and sired 2 fine boys.
I’m sure his social life…is still at a Noooine.
Baby booey 4 ever!!!
F-Jackie.
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woops. was thinking of something else. I meant “after having a good laugh”
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I so miss the old Stern show. Was so great but nothing can last for ever, not even Roissy’s love of ladies.
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Taggart, that’s a chick book (and not even one for Lesbians)
http://www.amazon.com/Girlfriend-Sister-You-Choose-Little/dp/0883969602/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266425630&sr=1-1-spell
(Personally, I’m waiting for “A Girlfriend is Friend Who Likes to F*ck,” but that’s just me I guess.)
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Howard is still at the top of his game – Tiger Woods Mistress Beauty Pageant is coming up.
@thedcam – I’m pretty sure Gary did get back together with that chick after the video. He’s unquestionably a beta male in his marriage, though.
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The image of the tough New York dago ala Tony Soprano is a myth.
As are most things.
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Baba Booey is not a beta. Howard Stern is a beta; sucessful but not really in control of his relationships with women, as demonstrated by his relationship with his wife and his divorce. He went straight to having a girlfriend after his divorce, rather than using his status to have sex with lots of hot women, which he could have easily done.
Baba Booey is a gamma male, in my estimation. He is a member of the group, but a marginal low status member, who must maintain his membership by regular degrading displays of submission to the higher ranking members.
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People are just a summary of their actons.
Everyone acts alpha at times (big theme in hollywood, a guy acts beta for the whole movie and then does something alpha).
Everyone acts beta sometimes (you know have at one point.)
As for the dating market test:
According to the dating market test for men, if you are a 6’3 perfect body, perfect looking rock star making 10 mil a year and driving a motor cycle to a party with your thousands of friends….YOU ARE STILL A BETA IF YOU DONT APPLY MYSTERY method style game to social situations.
LOL
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Stern is a former om3ga who, a fat loser at 35, went to a shrink who taught him how to channel his self-loathing in an outward direction. The radio personality was born.
Baba Boey, Stuttering John, and a few other sidekicks always had that cowering fear of Stern, though I was never completely sure how much of it was real, and how mych of it was an act.
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http://myworstsecret.com/549
says it all …
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Any new beta-bashing post should have highlighted this guy I pointed out a couple posts down: http://planetgrok.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/beta-of-the-year/
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Omega said: Baba Booey is not a beta. Howard Stern is a beta; sucessful but not really in control of his relationships with women, as demonstrated by his relationship with his wife and his divorce. He went straight to having a girlfriend after his divorce, rather than using his status to have sex with lots of hot women, which he could have easily done.
That’s actually not 100% true. While in fact, he never cheated on his wives (as far as we know), he *was* single for a bit over a year and has talked a little about his exploits. Apparently he banged 20 years worth of chicks in that time.
I don’t think HS is a beta JUST because he’s faithful. He still has women throwing themselves at him. Maybe he just rejects them b/c he’s the master of the neg 😉
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Hey,
Tbone at the Rawness wrote a piece on the Myth of The Middle Class Alpha Male that pretty much tore your whole frame up. Roissy as an office worker you can never be anything BUT a Beta Male. At this point the amount of pussy you get by exploiting psychology, or the amount you don’t get because of bad genetics, poor conditioning and role models, etc, is irrelevant to the equation.
If you are a middle class, salary earning chump, you’re a Beta. Period.
Please realize that The Rawness pushed the discussion to a whole new level, and it is time for you to evolve our thinking.
[editor: have you even read my “chicks dig jerks” series? stop spouting off until you’ve gone through my archives.]
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JS
Different definitions of what alpha/beta are. Your comments aren’t irrelevant, these ideas aren’t new…
A beta male tells a girl that he loves her before he goes to bed with her.
An alpha male asks a girl if she has a younger sister after he’s finished.
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that is fucking hilarious!
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Well regardless of what Bababooey eventually ended up with, a hot blonde (likely due to his exposure and status in the media), the point of the post is that the Bababooey in the confessional video is about as beta/omega as they come. I can’t imagine one worthy woman who could watch that video and not think it’s pathetic.
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A beta male is: A man who blends in and goes with the flow to get average results.
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I think that the essential problem with defining the beta male is that it confuses beta-as-reproductive-strategy with beta-as-person-unattractive-to-women.
It’s the Rock Star Problem. Rock stars are really ideal for studying male sexual behavior, since they have access to large amounts of high-quality pussy and no stigma on promiscuity. On one hand, there are a lot of rock stars who alpha it up to a degree that wold make Roissy proud. On the other hand, there are a lot of rock stars who are happily and apparently monogamously married.* Off the top of my head, this includes Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day (for sixteen years!) and every member of My Chemical Romance.
Of course this is beta. But it doesn’t mean that they’re unattractive to women– a million teenage girls with Green Day posters on their walls would argue with that, and My Chemical Romance, like most emo bands, bases its entire schtick around appealing to the female core audience.**
They’re simply using a different reproductive strategy. The Beta Strategy concentrates on locating a single mate with high-quality genes who’s unlikely to cheat, then investing a lot in the few offspring that result, rather than the alpha spread-the-seeds-where-they-may strategy. It goes for quality rather than quantity.
Roissy’s MLTR plan could be, in this view, considered to be the alpha-beta strategy, combining the best of both worlds.
*After all, if they wanted to have promiscuous sex, they wouldn’t bother to get married; everyone expects promiscuity of rock stars.
**A technique which involves makeup, near-anorexic skinniness and making out with people of the same gender. Men and women: more alike than different?
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Hey, I’m new to this blog, this is my first week, and I’m loving every minute of it. Steve Sailer blogged about dating at North Carolina and someone in the comments section posted a link to Roissy in DC. Well here I am!
This is off-topic, but supermodels fail at marriage. Why’s that?
Wikipedia has a page for “Victoria Secret Angels”; if you sample 1 or 2 women, the typical personal life is “had 1 kid with photographer, single living in Sydney”.
Elle McPherson is now a cougar, never married with two kids. Heidi Klum was cheated on while she was pregnant with her first kid.
I would assume more supermodels would end with up with top dogs like Tom Brady, or like Grace Kelly with a prince.
Since a lot of top men date down (Matt Damon, George Clooney, Matthew McConaghey and Prince William) does dating up demonstrate low value?
Tom Brady is the top dog today, but he probably still feels some beta male stigma from his days on the bench (Michigan and New England).
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Oh, and a second point: probably the majority of rock stars go for a John Lennon strategy, alpha in their younger days (when their sperm counts are higher and thus random promiscuous sex is most likely to result in offspring?) and then shifting into beta monogamy as they age. This is presumably the optimum/most common male strategy for maximizing offspring.
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Elle McPherson was married by the way.
I found this:
http://invogue.onsugar.com/US-Vogue-May-2009-Meet-Boyfriends-3035064?page=0,0,0
This is a photo shoot of top models and their boyfriends. Steven Pan is a lot shorter than Julia Stegner.
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I just did a business negotiation this morning where I feigned disinterest, blew off the party, insulted them, etc.. and otherwise acted like an alpha male to close the deal. does this mean my business partners are after my DNA? the whole beta/alpha is BS. In modern hyper narcissistic culture, affect is everything… this isn’t evolutionary biology, this is contemporary psychology. Modern women want assholes because they are perpetually bored and vapid ADHD bitches, and bitches have contempt for people nicer than them or pure gentlemen.
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Let’s try this again…Elle McPherson was married.
I found this photo shoot of top models and their boyfriends; spot the alpha.
http://invogue.onsugar.com/US-Vogue-May-2009-Meet-Boyfriends-3035064?page=0,0,0
Steven Pan is a lot shorter than Julia Stegner.
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Gary looks like the guy from Hall & Oates in this clip.
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What is a beta male?
Answer: Zunder, baby. Just Zunder.
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JS said: “Tbone at the Rawness wrote a piece on the Myth of The Middle Class Alpha Male that pretty much tore your whole frame up. Roissy, as an office worker you can never be anything BUT a Beta Male.”
He’s right. Looking into getting off active duty in the late 1990s (BS peacekeeping missions and mandatory sensitivity training, etc.) I got turned down by a half-dozen corporate recruiters looking for a job. The last one (after they’d touted “results” and “the intangibles” like they were fight-over scarce) I asked WTF? “Look, I recruit for Dilbert jobs; you’re qualified to be either Rambo or Batman, and I’m just not looking for that,” he said. “You should stay in the military.”
P.S. On the subject of senstivity training back then, sometimes I had to break it down like this: “You can’t mention the Tijuana donkey show unless she brings it up first, otherwise it’s sexual harrassment.” Real life, in all its glory.
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fu (an acronym?)
Keep telling yourself that. You’ll feel better about yourself. It’s not you, it’s them. You aren’t all fu, they are all fucked up. You needn’t compete with the assholes, because it’s a broken system and modern girls just don’t know how to be good nice girls anymore.
Man. Guys like you just don’t get it. Can’t get it. You need a little more cross cultural experience. You think western girls are nasty? They ain’t got nothing on SE Asians. Fact is, a girl is what you let her be, and what you can hypnotize her into being. She’ll be a nasty cheating bitch if you let her, and she’ll be a docile pussycat if you hypnotize her.
You want to make an argument for culture? Get fucked over by girls from multiple cultures, until you learn better, then tame girls from multiple cultures.
Girls are girls are girls are girls. If you think they are fucked up, it’s because you are not able to tame them. If you think they are too wild, it’s because you can’t compete with the guys who can tame them.
You’ll feel a lot better about yourself if you never realize that.
Or if you grow up, take responsibility, put yourself out there a million times and learn by painful trial and error that all women are devilish whores who make troublesome but excellent house pets.
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fu said: “In modern hyper narcissistic culture, affect is everything… this isn’t evolutionary biology, this is contemporary psychology. Modern women want assholes because they are perpetually bored and vapid ADHD bitches, and bitches have contempt for people nicer than them or pure gentlemen.”
You’ve got it! They want to be kept entertained and assholes are certainly manly enough for that. In our no-consequence, instant-gratifaction world, there’s nothing beyond short-term. It’s fun while it lasts (i.e., the “romance” and “passion” of ‘gina tingle arousal) then it’s dump city and on to the next one.
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Modern times just lets the beast out of the bag more often.
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Gossiping about other people.
A masculine/alpha activity?
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ozymandias – Roissy has, as I recall, periodically noted that an Alpha is a guy who COULD be promiscuous, not NECESSARILY a guy who IS promiscuous.
Culture, religious beliefs and other factors can lead a guy – undoubtably Alpha – to choose to be monogamous. He is still an Alpha.
[editor: it’s a simple point that is lost on so many.]
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That’s a good point. I think we’ll be stuck with that confusion for a while, unless we invent a new term for a beta-provider who provides skittles. Because it’s true that you are either a supplicant to girls (and this includes all “equal” relationships), or you are are the dominant head of the household or harem who can find new suitable mates relatively easily.
You are right that attractive leaders do often settle into monogamy, or at least into one prime mate, while getting some on the side as they see fit. And that the arrangement itself does not make for a supplicant.
So what new term can be coined? Non-supplicating provider? Not catchy enough. Head of household? NSPHH?
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How about Doormat Provider for Selfish Bitch (DPSB). I know I’m getting divorced for not being one.
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Getting divorced? Right about the time when my (now ex) wife wanted to have a 2nd wedding ceremony, I was wanting to have a divorce ceremony. I you don’t own me get off my back I’m not even serious about you give me some space and stop pestering me ceremony. An isn’t non-monogamy better than this crap ceremony.
We unceremoniously split up instead. Then I learned lesson number one about women. Hell hath no fury, because women have no center, no soul, no empathy. Succubus, thy name is womankind.
Show me the woman with introspection. Then show me her finger ratio. All feminine women are by definition incapable of introspection or real empathy. Their version of empathy is outward projection of their inward feelings, and they only feel what is beneficial to feel.
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“Hey, the world does not revolve around your navel,” I used to say.
That and “Lose some f*cking weight.”
Doormat, my ass.
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Trust me, xsplay, I hear you.
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Damn, I can’t type either, xsplat.
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xsplat says: “Girls are girls are girls are girls. If you think they are fucked up, it’s because you are not able to tame them. If you think they are too wild, it’s because you can’t compete with the guys who can tame them.”
True. Take the “Me, Tarzan; you, tight-hole cum dumpster” approach with ’em. (Act like a teenager: all dick and no brain.) A lot will respond to that; it’s how the PUAs do it (although with a touch more class).
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I don’t think so. Take a dominant approach, yes. Cave manish, yes. But there is no need to treat a woman worse than you would your dog. It wouldn’t work well if you did.
It’s a cognitive error to think that the choice is between treating women poorly and not respecting them and being a nice doormat who gets passed over for the assholes by the vapid soul of modern women. It’s a cognitive error we were raised to buy into – this error of thinking that dominance somehow equates to disrespect.
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The walk of a true Alpha:
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When they think good manners and being a gentleman is being an approval-seeking mama’s boy, there sure is a cognitive error being made (and not by the guy). Having character is Beta nowadays, not having character (although in a no-negative-consequences manner) is attractively Alpha.
They want *ssholes. When the *sshole hits them or dumps them for another girl, they just go look fo another *sshole. *sshole = manly, abusive *sshole = gotta go.
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@xsplat: Good Beta and Bad Beta? Or if you insist on maintaining the alpha-good beta-bad distinction, we could have “Family Alpha,” “PUA Alpha” and “Multiple Long Term Relationships Alpha” (almost certainly mythical).
I personally think it’s a bit of a mistake to view Beta Game from the dominant vs. supplicant angle. (After all, going back to the rock star example, writing an entire album of love songs is not exactly Asshole Game.) A regular supply of DHVs (talent, good looks, money, humor) mean that the guy can get away with being nice and still getting a regular supply of pussy and a non-cheating spouse.
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no name brand blog poster
I respectfully disagree.
I could explain why, but I’m pretty sure this whole blog is about why.
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“Multiple Long Term Relationships Alpha” (almost certainly mythical). ”
Then I lived the myth for a few years. For two years I usually had two or three girlfriends, sometimes with a fuck-buddy on top of that, and sometimes with the occasional fling short term fling. The girlfriend relationships lasted from 3 months to a year, two of them lasting 1 year, two lasted about six months, some three months, and etc. Only one of the girls was kept in the dark about the other girls, as she was only 19, and was previously virgin. Some of the rest had very dramatic meetings in my apartment.
That was in Thailand, starting about 6 years ago. After that I switched back to serial monogamy. Working on a mix of the two now – trying to get the threesome action happening.
I think the main thing that makes such arrangements rare is the lack of motivation, coupled with the fact that such a lifestyle is an extreme sport that requires a great deal of time and energy.
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Ozy
@xsplat: I wasn’t suggesting that the relationship resembled the songs, I was simply pointing out that an album of songs about How Great My Girlfriend Is is pretty much a beta move.
You’ve made a very interesting point about “nice.” Of course, the drama doesn’t have to come from the relationship itself. Children or a shared mission/passion (art, making the world a better place) could take its place.
What I was trying to get at is that for the stability of a long-term relationship roissy-style Asshole Game is somewhat counterproductive. For actually living with someone, civility, compromise and conversation are important.
Congratulations on the Multiple Long Term Relationships Alpha, by the way, although a year seems like a fairly short amount of time to count as a proper long term relationship. What do we call the ten or fifteen year long relationships, then?
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“When they think good manners and being a gentleman is being an approval-seeking mama’s boy, there sure is a cognitive error being made (and not by the guy).”
You should bear in mind that women make these Alpha/beta assessments on an almost entirely subconscious level, and as such the sifting process is continuous and very fine. It is certainly possible for a man to maintain dominance while evincing flawless manners. If you can carry it off the effect is devastating. Do you suppose Alphas born to wealthy families and raised in that milieu affect the speech and manners of wife-beating blue collar men when they set themselves to seduce?
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Ohio Stater: supermodels fail at marriage. Why’s that?
My theory is that decline of a 9-10 to an 7-8 or even a 6 is much more tragic & painful for their partners than decline of e.g. a 6 to a 5, or a 5 to a 4.
Also, on a more mundane note, the body may age but the sense of entitlement tends (at best) to remain the same. There’s even an argument that female sense of entitlement increases, rather than decreases, in direct proportion to the ageing process. How much of this is bluff & how much genuine belief promoted by Hollywood & the media is difficult to say.
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xsplat,
They want the bad boy who doesn’t get caught having no character but they don’t want the unpleasant consequences of that… as long as the fun lasts, it’s fun (somehow they can make the slick, no-character bad boy grow character and be exclusive to them, for them, but that’s more bullsh*t we can argue about later).
I’m a badass, does-new-things and just plain adventurous as next Alpha, but be responsible… damn, I might as well put on a dress.
Maturity used to be attractive to women. It sure ain’t any more, I know that. Now it’s just boring.
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Anonymous, it would be easier to address you if you chose a nickname. I’m not following you about what you mean by being responsible.
As far as I’ve seen, women have two competing sexual strategies. You’ve highlighted one of them. The other one they have seeks out responsibility. It’s not impossible to combine responsibility and dominance, and yes, women do like that. Love it. Love it head over heels.
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Also, I hate to be nit-picky, but… Being a cad versus having character? Hmmm.
It’s possible to be an authentic cad, true to your self, honest, following your highest calling.
It’s not like monogamy is somehow equal to upstanding character.
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And here you have just explained exactly why you’ve got to be cruel to be kind. You’ve got to downlevel your woman, keep her feet on the ground, keep her guessing, keep her off balance.
It’s for her own good.
As soon as she gets to feeling she deserves good treatment just for being her, that’s when things get skewed. It’s all about what have you done for me LATELY. Every day she’s got to earn it fresh.
She’ll appreciate that you make her feel gratitude. She’ll appreciate it that she’s not dating someone who lets her get fat and slovenly and moody and unfaithful. She wants a master.
Or move on.
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The problem is finding where beta ends and alpha begins.
It’s not like monogamy is somehow equal to upstanding character.
Amen. I tell most people I know that I don’t believe in monogamy and they go ape shit.
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Ya. I met some random guy in a bar, and on replying to his friendly chit-chat query about my dating status that I had two girlfriends, his mouth turned angry and I thought he was going to take a swing at me. He lectured me, a perfect stranger, like I was a child in need of a spanking and a few weeks sitting in the corner. Of course I shut up and backed away, as politely as I could. Nut job.
Non monogamy can be practiced in good conscience, openly. And with love relationships. Equating non-monogamy with treating women like cum-dumpsters is not just crass, it’s as immature as referring to your cock as a pee pee.
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Impressive, xsplat. You know what you’re about. It’s actually quite disconcerting that a man should have a greater understanding of the female mind than 99% of women ever will.
Many of the rest here seem to be stuck on the notion that women are heartless bitches that both crave and deserve abuse and misery. Game, properly executed, should result in a loyal, loving woman.
My personal feeling is that many woman can *only* find happiness with a dominating, dictatorial male. Cruel to be kind. Yes.
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Ozy
Purgatory? Coma? The best you can get after a car accident left you in a wheelchair? Babysitting? A bad dream you are thankful to wake up from? Habit? A long standing dating drought? An overblown sense of duty? A recurring nightmare that begins every time you wake up? A nagging sense that a part of you is dying inside?
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xsplat, I’m the smart (assed) military dude…
Yes, you’re right about the second strategy (my particular “game”) but that’s become defined as Beta nowadays. Being responsible (as in the way you’re talking about and so am I) is seen a living up to someone else’s standards and not having a will of your own (as is having manners) when subconscious emotional measures are untempered by culture and experience (or lack thereof, like in the suburbs). My happy ass ain’t Beta enough to meet that “provider” expectation in this day and age.
As this blog’s pointed out, there’s been a degrading of the cultural mores about dating/mating (marriage, civilization, etc.) that’ve evolved over the years to keep folk from killing each other. The Alpha + responsibility bit (aka the “John Wayne” standard of masculinity, my particular angle) is one of the loses… not “authentic” for sensitive folk, full of those oppressive “other-directed” things like moral absolutes. Now, Betas are responsible and Alphas enjoy it. Never heard some chippie say “Nice guys are for raising babies, bad boys are for making ’em” today?
Alpha or provider, you can’t be both in the unspoiled subconscious emotional reckoning of females today (at least that’s what they expect and their expectation is our reality, unfortunately). If you’re in a sh*tty environment where being irresponsible can get people killed, somehow the John Wayne model becomes real attractive again somehow. “No one loves a soldier until the enemy’s at the gate,” as the saying goes.
You’d think with the economic troubles and two wars going on lately that people (i.e., women) would grow the heck up and realize that the things their parents and grandparents said were important actually are. But, as some dude in the Marines said, “America is not at war; America’s military is at war, America is at the mall.” The same (spoiled) thing is at work here.
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Ozy
I’m not sure how much of this blog you’ve read, Ozy, or what your conception of roissy-style asshole game is. I’m guessing that if you took the time to digest the entirety of Roissy’s posts along with the bulk of the comments, you’d feel the need to come up with another term for what is being presented.
I think it’s not only not nuanced, but missing the mark widely to come to the conclusion that learning how to turn women on is counter productive to any aspect of dealing with women.
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moderation
I’m not sure how much of this blog you’ve read, Ozy, or what your conception of roissy-style asshole game is. I’m guessing that if you took the time to digest the entirety of Roissy’s posts along with the bulk of the comments, you’d feel the need to come up with another term for what is being presented.
I think it’s not only not nuanced, but missing the mark widely to come to the conclusion that learning how to turn women on is counter productive to any aspect of dealing with women.
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moderation. pieces then:
I’m not sure how much of this blog you’ve read, Ozy, or what your conception of roiss-style asshole game is. I’m guessing that if you took the time to digest the entirety of Roiss posts along with the bulk of the comments, you’d feel the need to come up with another term for what is being presented.
I think it’s not only not nuanced, but missing the mark widely to come to the conclusion that learning how to turn women on is counter productive to any aspect of dealing with women.
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Anonymous Millitary (smart) ass.
I don’t think it’s weak to want the best for society, and to want to contribute. I sympathize with the feeling that being an upstanding member of a greater good goes under appreciated in the sexual marketplace.
I’ve been told that the sun will explode and burn the entire solar system and so all human endeavors are temporary. Mortality is mortality, whether it’s a day or a thousand years. If there is no endgame to civilization, then meaning has to find the endgame moment to moment. And the only way to find meaning right now, is to enjoy it as much as possible, or to commit suicide. But the hedonistic imperative is fullfilled in many ways. Sometimes its fullfilled in making others happy and building a healthy society.
The hedonistic imperative makes us want to expand our awareness, and when we do, we face reality which includes others – and so it’s human to want to live in as healthy a social environment as possible.
But hedonism isn’t heady, and so utopia is mostly always that. Let’s call that dramatic tension. Or bitter sweet. The hedonistic imperative forces me to make that a silver lining. And to make the best of the situation as best as I can. Which for me, involves learning to voodoo women.
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Hell, I just want to have someone to grow old (maybe have kids) with.
That’s too much for me to ask now, apparently.
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But technically if he was getting laid like a rockstar by ur definition he would be alpha right?
Bad post.
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Anonymous, just as it’s too much for me to ask you to join in the social propriety of introducing yourself with a non-anonymous name, it’s too much to ask anyone anything.
You don’t ask, you seduce.
Other people are seducing. Don’t cop out onto society your troubles. No matter how in vogue.
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I’m with Faolán. Except I end up going through their pill cabinets as well.
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Piffle! Being an Alpha/Beta/Om3ga is purely genetic. No guy wants to be a boring Beta let alone a virginal Om3ga. Every guy wants to be Alpha and have a good-looking sort hanging off him who knows if they break up he’ll get another hot sheila in a hearbeat. It’s the same with bodybuilding – no guy wants to be a skinny ectomorph or a fat-arse endomorph but the mighty, well balanced mesomorph. However your body type is once again genetic – you don’t get to choose. Everyone wants to be a winner, no one wants to be a loser however there are plenty of factors in life that are indeed beyond your control.
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http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/why-househusbands-are-the-future/
http://www.mypostingcareer.com/forums/index.php?/index
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/201003/jobless-america-future
Commentary appreciated.
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That’s right Gil. If you imagine the big bang and the big crunch, you’ll imagine the beginning of the beginning of time, and the extinction of time. Overall, time didn’t exactly exist. From the point of view of before and after time, time is a weirdness that isn’t exactly here nor there. Maybe the whole thing was pre-determined from the outset.
So don’t get all big headed about genetic pre-determination. It’s just another variant of will. It’s ALL predetermined, remember? You random piece of fluff.
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Wow…the only thing missing from that was “Now go get your shinebox!”
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“Being an Alpha/Beta/Om3ga is purely genetic.”
Nothing is “purely” genetic, and I’m as big a believer in genetic influence as there is.
Like I posted before — testosterone isn’t only a cause of alpha behaviors, it’s also an effect of alpha behaviors. There’s a feedback loop involved.
If you’re borderline, the proper lifestyle may tip you into a higher bracket.
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Do you believe a woman deserves to loved and cared for by you if it takes game to keep her attracted? Monogamy was never really natural for apes, which is why we’re so bad at it.
Modern marriage still exists because people refuse to give up old traditions, but men and women don’t complement each other like they used to when women needed men to survive. Let her be. She can have a career and sleep around just like a man can.
The average woman, hell, even the worst urban jizz bucket has enough good maternal instincts that she could be turned into a good mother. That same population of urban jizz buckets can’t produce a single good wife. If it takes game to coax her into being a good wife, then maybe she was never meant to be a wife in the first place.
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Also, let’s keep in mind that in the real world, there are no rigid categories.
I don’t know if testosterone is distributed normally or in some other fashion, but clearly there’s a continuum of behaviors which we subdivide for convenient description.
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beta politician?
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/1162739.html
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“You go ahead and act as wacked-out and irrational as you want to; it still won’t likely douse my love for you.”
OK, this guy’s definitely not borderline. That’s some solid beta shit…:)
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Two studies on what correlates with high numbers of partners in women.
here and here
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Smells like nerd in here.
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That 67-year-old white man is a true tough guy! I love how that black guy and the black women at the back of the bus were all saying racist crap egged on the black guy. That black guy was a complete pussy and got his ass whipped! He probably shit his pants.
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@What does a Alpha look like – heh, nice video! One time a similar-looking punk started a fight with me on public transport and I did pretty much the same thing to him. Except we were more equally matched in age and size.
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xsplat, sorry, but if I use any other handle but Anonymous it becomes an attributable “publication” I’d have to run by my chain of command. A nickname would eventually lead to “Is this you? Did you write that sh*t?”
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In regards to the previous comments on what celebrity is Alpha or Beta…
I think that using celebrities to illustrate “Alpha/Beta” is wrongheaded as it muddies the waters and confuses people. All celebrities have Alpha status; they may act like or reveal traits that are Beta, but the nature of their status grants them female attention.
As for the video…I wish that the political elites making policy decisions were forced to ride the bus systems of major cities.
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JB
And as I’ve also posted many times, humans are very similar to zebra fish. Zebra fish also have a sexual dominance feedback loop, and grow several times in size and turn from female to male, depending on how successful they are in defending territory.
It’s a concept worth studying. Success build on itself, much as does an investment portfolio.
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The Alpha/Beta paradigm is essentially who successfully mates. Why is this so complicated now? Human society has outstripped itself where alpha qualities are often vestiges of the past. A wolf alpha is obvious. A human alpha is expressed in many stages of our existence. We appear to have high investment/low investment strategies with high investment taking a hit from both indirect acquisition of resources(via socialism) and female promiscuity.
Low investment in males has increased since female promiscuity lowers female status and women have more resources to leech on. Polygamous behavior used to be expensive. American women are seen as low status in part for this reason as well as many others including corpulence. Yet against this is low investment, aka cheap sex, does not result in the offspring it once did.
As of now the best reproductive strategy is muddled. However I would view an alpha male as having access to fertile females. It appears the current Hollywood fashion is serial monogamy where men are always with women in their sexual prime as we saw in Tom Cruise fashion. That results in offspring with multiple women.
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@ What does a Alpha look like
I think that was Willard Libby’s dad.
Sweet video btw.
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Tupac Chopra
@ What does a Alpha look like
I think that was Willard Libby’s dad.
If he took public transportation maybe. But no, my dad is a very Alpha guy who would have intimidated everyone as a natural authority figure. It’s a question of presence.
No punches would have been thrown.
Here’s more from the beta bitch BaBa Booey.
“That’s where my wife put her foot down”.
He actually said that on national radio! LOL.
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@xsplat: See, now you’re missing my point. Which is that, even for rock stars who have exactly zilch reason to stay with one person, however attractive, for five to ten years, there are people who will do it. Which suggests that for a certain number of people monogamy is the optimum happiness-maximizing strategy. They don’t consider it purgatory or a coma– obviously, or they would have gotten bloody divorced already.
You, sir, are obviously the Pick Up Artist alpha to an extraordinary degree, to the point that monogamous happiness is near-unimaginable to you. I imagine there are people on the other end of the spectrum who would find roissy’s lifestyle meaningless and empty.
Obviously “how to turn on women” is useful in a long-term relationship! I was simply pointing out that, for instance, aloofness game is somewhat difficult when you’re living in the same apartment.
Honestly, I’m kind of curious how roissy would deal with a lifelong relationship (besides “don’t have one,” of course). Care to enlighten us, O Wise One?
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This reminds of when Howard Stern was famous.
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Mary had a little lamb
It’s fleece as white as snow
And everywhere that Mary went
That lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day
And a big black dog fucked it.
Get it?
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LOL
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Those were the days, weren’t they? Whatever happened to that guy?
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“Nothing is ‘purely’ genetic” . . .
You wish!
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The entire definition of alpha/beta that Roissy and other PUA cultists adhere to is just self serving. Take the definition of alpha-omega continuum given by the number of mates (fine, make it a weighted average taking into account the short term sexual attractiveness of the female) ..This definition is an artifact of the times you live in .. yes there are parallels to subsaharan african mating practices .. but don’t make it sound like this is universal or timeless … what is appaling (and even so called ‘scientists’ ..yes david buss ) trying to suggest that this is universal truth …
Even to you guys, as your life will progress you will need to make adjustments .. you cannot deny the fact that most of us find monogamy fulfilling .. also if you reflect on your life as a whole .. you would probably also want to have done other things .. some of these thins will not make you appealing in a strictly mating sense .. but you will want to do them nonetheless .. for your self actualization.
At the end of the day what matters is that you are free. the omega is not free because he is sad that he is unattractive .. the alpha needs the constant validation and is also not free .. the self actualized man is free ..
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“Nothing is ‘purely’ genetic” . . .
hahaha … the truth is that it is .. denying this is akin to the ostrich burying its head under the sand ..
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observing a bunch of subsaharan hunter-gatherers, calling it a science (evo-psych) and then telling everybody that deep down we are like these people anyways is the biggest scientific bullshit thrown on humanity in the last century.
PUA cultists have just taken this up their asses because it jibes with their world view. Yes in a leisure class anglosphere country .. you need different strategies to entice women .. no that is not a deep revelation… no it is not new either .. all the leisure class socities from antiquity have gone through the exact same situation ..
Is your ability to bed a bar slut commendable? depends .. on the circle .. in higher social strata men rarely try to pick up women .. this is a very low status behavior in most societies .. Is having game the mark of a man? .. hell no .. in many societies, this is again a low status thing .. This is a very place and era specific thing guys .. two centuries down the line people will laugh at you for following a fag like mystery around and taking his word seriously and investing all your waking hours into chasing skirt …
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Beta in outer space! 😀
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So many of you posters are full of sh*t. The whole idea of “alpha” and “beta” males, as Roissy explains ad infinitum, is how many chicks want to bang a guy. By this measure, most of the celebrities you call “beta” are more alpha than you’ll ever be. Howard Stern a beta? What an effing ridiculous comment. And Baba Booey has had more pussy in his life than 99% of men. That makes him a beta? Another riduclous comment.
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@unlearning genius
while I agree with most of what you said, I suspect you havnt spent much time with high social status people if you don’t think the men – in their own unique way- are trying constantly to bang a new chick. Our nations Capitol, especially Gtown and the Hill are pratically orgies. Now that said, very few in these parts of town use game. Game works better in Adams Morgan, Logan Circle, U Street and other middle class hipsters havens
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epic bearded man ain’t no beta!
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This is just sad. Do some men thinking groveling like this actually works? Even before i understood Game, I would have known this was a bad idea. It’s one thing to overexcitedly profess one’s admiration for a female, it’s another to make that video.
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What does a man look like?
Nothing like that golfer guy I saw today begging forgiveness of the world for bonking someone other than his missus.
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Quality example of your jumbotron rule. This guy should clearly have considered his communications a little more before shamefully declaring his love for what was likely a worthless whore.
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Tiger Woods for Beta of the Century
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Howard Stern is pure rubbish, and anyone who enjoys him or his asinine show is a certified prole.
I lost any interest in reading through this post once I realized it led off with a vid from his show.
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What about the bearded man on the bus am I supposed to admire? The fact that he threw the first punch? That he was more aggressive and loud? Or that he wanted a black stranger to give his shoes a spit-shine? Or that he didn’t care if the black man was a Chinaman? Maybe that he kept threatening the black man as he was trying to back down?
Would Marion “John” Wayne ( a pitiful example, but the best we have in our pampered, over-entertained nation, ) have gotten into a yelling match with a not-cool-enough-to-not-be-touchy-about-racist-stereotypes black man?
If I were on that bus I would have kicked the shit out of that cranky old “I’m not a racist” asshole, not that that would be the best thing to do either.
Alpha indeed. Yeah, right.
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omarion:Howard Stern is pure rubbish
Well, sure. But at least you have to admit the video is cringeworthy.
One doesn’t have to condone lowbrow cruelty in order to understand it.
( I’ve indulged in such, as well as been a target. )
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Epic man explains what the video didn’t show. He’s ok.
Feel stupid for getting angry from a video snip. Never again.
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Haha, excellent.
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Beta males and their Bridezillas…..
Bridezillas Go Crazy!
Bride Makes Groom Cry
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Jackie Mason on Jewish Husbands
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Look everybody, it’s Jordan Kuppersmith! He’s 26 and “works” in D.C. as a “Political and public opinion analyst”. Sounds fascinating.
He’s looking for a gal who shares his interest in “philosophy, left-wing politics, salsa dancing, hiking, traveling, live music, reading, writing, going to art museums, karaoke and cooking.”
Jordan said he willingly had his underdeveloped testicles removed during college because he thought they were the underlying cause of “racism, sexism and homophobia”.
Jordan’s ultimate fantasy is to be cremated and then to have his ashes placed inside of Barack Obama’s rectum.
“I just don’t know how to get any closer to the man”, said Jordan.
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