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Giving Up On A Relationship

February 18, 2010 by CH

“Issues”. That’s a twinkletoes word, isn’t it? “We have issues, dear.” “I think we need to discuss some issues.” Almost as bad as “closure”. What makes “issues” ambiguously slippery is the fact that the issues that matter to men diverge so wildly from the issues that matter to women. Women normally leave relationships because of issues having to do with nebulous smoke and mirrors concepts like “compatibility” and “fulfilling her needs”. As all of you must know (since you read my blog) these excuses by women are merely handwaving bromides to conceal the crass tingle generator under the skirt that is actually responsible for her decision-making. Nonetheless, the relationship “issues” that matter to women are indeed a bit more complicated than those that motivate men to either stay with or leave a lover. A woman’s 463 bullet point checklist is a real phenomenon and dwarfs most men’s checklists for acceptable partners. If you don’t like tofu AND you fart in bed AND you voted for Ron Paul, she just might spend sleepless nights agonizing over whether you are The One. (My advice: Ignore 99% of a woman’s “needs”. Attempting to fulfill more than 1% of a woman’s needs will brand you with a big fat “B” for beta.)

Men are fairly clear and even simple in their (usually) unstated reasons for feeling the need to flee a relationship. Essentially, two uber variables are responsible for how men feel about their lovers. One, how hot is she? And two, how novel is her pussy? That’s pretty much all there is. Sure, minor details like compatibility and shared values will have some influence over how warmly men feel about their partners, but these factors pale in comparison to the hotness and freshness of the pussy in question. For example, a man who just met a babe ranked 9 is going to want to fuck her nonstop and dream of slaving away to give her the world. On the other hand, a man who has been with the same 5 ranked woman for years will be able to go weeks, if not months, free of any desire to fuck her as his thoughts are preoccupied with visions of skirt-hiking the bounty of babes he sees on his morning commute every day.

These two important variables influencing men’s feeling of commitment to a lover can be represented in the following handy graphs.

As we can see from the above, most men couldn’t be bothered to bang 5s and below more than once per day. But anything over a 6 and a man’s sexual urge shoots through the roof. 8s, 9s, and 10s are really nature’s natural viagra. A 90 year old who hasn’t sported wood in twenty years will suddenly spring to life if Zooey Deschanel sits naked on his lap.

In this graph we see that the novelty of the pussy has a big impact on how often the man wants to do the woman. Pussy that he’s woken up next to for ten years is unlikely to stir his loins at all, while brand new pussy will remind him why it’s great to be alive. An ugly truth of life is that men, unlike women, simply get off on sexual variety for its own sake. Don’t take it personally, ladies. We’re not cads. We’re just formed that way.

This post should serve as a valuable guide for women wanting to figure out just how deeply loyal their boyfriends or husbands actually feel towards them. A man’s strength of commitment can be measured surprisingly accurately by these two variables.

(Note that I’m referring to a man’s “strength” of commitment, not his “lack of options preventing disloyalty”. These are two different concepts. A man with lots of options on the dating market — i.e. an alpha — will only feel strongly loyal — and hence, unlikely to cheat or withhold resources — to a girlfriend who is hot and piping fresh. This strong emotion-directed loyalty is a separate beast from social- and peer-influenced loyalty, and is the type of loyalty that burns brightest but is also quickest to fade. Betas also lose their sense of strong emotional loyalty, but unlike the alphas their lack of options means they are pretty much stuck with the same old same old, mouthing platitudes on anniversaries and birthdays to keep the mutli-horned ball-smashing divorce demon from breaching a portal to his world.)

So, ladies, if you want to know how commited he is to you, a simple test (and one that requires being bracingly honest with yourself) is to tally how many times per day on average he desires you intimately. Is he constantly groping you? Good news! He hardly notices other women. Has it been a week since he last fucked you? Better start combing through his cellphone texts.

When I start feeling like I could go a day without fucking my girlfriend, that’s when I seriously mull the option to reenter the dating market with purpose. I start flirting with other women and running game again like I was single and horny. And I notice more clearly when other women are flirting with me. This may seem like I’m placing some hard-to-please demands on my women, but the woman who can keep me sexually entertained for years will know she is a worthy lover indeed.

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  1. on February 18, 2010 at 11:12 am jclwat

    guy dumping his cheating g/f on the radio http://media.1057thepoint.com/Podcasts/1526/ChrisAndAshley.mp3

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  2. on February 18, 2010 at 11:29 am Matt Savage

    This is a huge concept and I don’t think most females truly understand what’s the loyalty factor of their man once they snag him. Of course, when a chick does manage to snag an Alpha, most of the time they think that the deal is closed, which is probably true when they snag a Beta, but in reality they either have to realize that they’re going to have to put in a lot more work or risk losing out to hotter and/or fresher poon.

    The graphs don’t lie.

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  3. on February 18, 2010 at 11:36 am J R

    why zooey deschanel?

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  4. on February 18, 2010 at 11:38 am 3point5

    giving up on a relationship…sounds week 3 –

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  5. on February 18, 2010 at 11:44 am Check this Alpha

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  6. on February 18, 2010 at 11:48 am Anonymous

    Now that marriage is a “relationship” and not a “commitment” any more, this is the deal.

    The guy dumping his cheatin’ long-time girlfriend on the radio is the greatest, though.

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  7. on February 18, 2010 at 11:51 am Dr. Grzlickson

    @Check this Alpha

    Dunno about Alpha, but that’s funny.

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  8. on February 18, 2010 at 11:57 am cultured ape

    Thanks for that jclwat. She actually sounded genuine. I would take her back.

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  9. on February 18, 2010 at 12:06 pm MRA (Jack)

    This also shows how older guys aren’t that taken with the lapdance girls who help them out now and then. They lack freshness despite being super hot. And it shows how loyalty from the woman vastly prolongs the feeling of freshness. My gf is a college student and I’m her first and, since I am eligible for AARP soon, this could last until I die (if I die soon). 😉

    The Amish woman in “Witness” was not the youngest but she seemed the freshest.

    Roissy should do a 3D graph that shows Expectation of Death of the male (expected number of years left to live) vs Freshness in terms of woman’s number of partners vs Freshness in terms of woman’s age.

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  10. on February 18, 2010 at 12:20 pm cassius

    yes! return of the graphs

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  11. on February 18, 2010 at 12:24 pm The G Manifesto

    “Issues” and “closure”.

    Those two words make me want to drink bleach.

    – MPM

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  12. on February 18, 2010 at 12:25 pm Laura

    As a married woman this blog if really starting to depress me. I think I am going to stop reading it for a while.

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  13. on February 18, 2010 at 12:25 pm jh0

    Why Zooey Deschanel? She’s hot in ways not needing explanation.

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  14. on February 18, 2010 at 12:26 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Makes sense… Def know about the groping no matter who is around part… But I don’t think many girl would ever feel fully secure until he actually marries her. There would be some dissonance if he’s majorly hot for her, but can’t bother solidfying that commitment formally – doesn’t have to be marriage, could be anything where lives are intertwined.

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  15. on February 18, 2010 at 12:28 pm Forbes

    It seems to me that these graphs only matter to women that are loyal, want a commitment, and/or LTR. For hypergamous women–always on the lookout for high social value–it just tells women what gets men off, i.e. hotter and newer chicks.

    Well, alter the variables and it’s the same for women: Roissy Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.

    In other words, alpha (hotter) for five minutes (newer) is what gets women off.

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  16. on February 18, 2010 at 12:29 pm Ghost

    What was that dude thinkin in that video. I can tell when someone is a fighter, and that white guy did not even looked scared in the least bit. He was enjoying himself. Plus he was huge. Probably was ex-military or something, or at the least an ex-jock. Don’t fuck with dudes with gray beards who talk shit. They’ve been around the block. Dude deserved to get his ass kicked.

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  17. on February 18, 2010 at 12:30 pm lovelysexybeauty

    I think how hOrny he is for her, compared to other women (within reason), is a metric for commitment but not THE metric. A girl should use several metrics including, again, how much does he intertwine his life with hers. A bad rating in any of these metrics should send off warning flags.

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  18. on February 18, 2010 at 12:35 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    A married man’s character will restrain him from cheating, but only so long as his wife continues to satify him. I know couples who carried their love life long into their octogenarian years.

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  19. on February 18, 2010 at 12:45 pm titan

    I disagree here. I have my needs, and I want to bang someone a couple times a day. That is a constant. That doesn’t depend on where the “relationship” is or who.

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  20. on February 18, 2010 at 12:52 pm MRA (Jack)

    Cmon Laura, we’re just kidding around. Sort of.

    Seriously, there are married women in their 40s and 50s who stay fit and somehow maintain freshness that keeps their alpha husbands happy. They occupy what one calls the “fat tail of the bell curve”.

    I met a woman in her 70s once who had me enthralled. She had somehow maintained the curves of an 18 year old. I couldn’t believe it as she regaled me with stories of almost being raped by Russian soldiers in World War 2.

    So this kind of talk mainly deals with where the bell curve is at. It isn’t news to the world that the high curve in front of the fat tail is a tall thin one between the ages of 18-21. One could have always deduced that from the ages of those actresses in pornography (at least in the last 10 years since the porn actress guild was broken by the Internet and 18-21 year olds actually allowed to work).

    And the advice one can glean from this works both ways.

    For instance, one can glean from the idea of freshness, the idea of taking lots of showers. It significantly raises the desire of the male to kiss his woman all over…and visa versa. Nothing kills a relationship faster than the other person not showering…for instance BEFORE one goes to bed at night rather than only in the morning

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  21. on February 18, 2010 at 12:55 pm MRA (Jack)

    In order not to depress women readers, it would be great if we added more exceptions to the rule anecdotes.

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  22. on February 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm cultured ape

    Laura’s comment makes me happy. Married women should have no business reading blogs like this. Go take care of your man, you sneak, apply what you have learned here. Or dump him. Don’t live a lie.

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  23. on February 18, 2010 at 12:59 pm Backdoor Man

    A couple of years ago, I read about a study that claimed attractive women have more frequent sex with their partners not because the men desire them more, but because the men want to keep them satisfied to prevent them from straying. I think this applied to LTRs in which the novelty had faded a bit.

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  24. on February 18, 2010 at 1:12 pm Jay

    “Come at me bro”.

    That old dude vs Brock Lesnar – who would win?

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  25. on February 18, 2010 at 1:18 pm Avinguda Diagonal

    brand you with a big fat “B” for beta

    beta is already a letter! there goes your nerd credential, sir

    also, the graphs would make more sense if you were to invert the x axis (explanatory variable) with the y axis (response variable) … right now, to people experienced in reading of graphs, the slopes give the wrong message until you closely examine the axis. ie., the steep slope of graph # 1 makes it look like men will be eager to fuck anyone but 0’s and 1’s

    otherwise good stuff … i just had more faith in you as a nerd, that is all

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  26. on February 18, 2010 at 1:18 pm MRA (Jack)

    Interesting thing happened today…I lost a 21-9 from the “harem” who had never gotten sexual but just held hands and dated about 5 times. Cannot be entirely sure why it happened – I somehow don’t think it is because I am 29 years older (obviously I have to be concerned about that) – but I think it has something to do with her being afraid of people. Part of the attraction to her was her obvious virginity – her being afraid of socializing and a college bookworm (she is a nerd with a fantastic body as I witnessed at the swimming pool).

    Here is how I dealt with her neurotic unwillingness to tell me what the reason for the seeming breakup was: I asked her to introduce me to a hottie friend of hers who had said hello to us once while we were walking hand in hand.

    I had wanted to let her know that I wasn’t going to be hurt by her behavior – that I was no beta to enjoy rejecting – and her response was curious – she put me in touch with the other coed who ended up talking with me on the phone just now for 30 minutes and making a date for this weekend. She had heard I was a nice guy and nothing bad.

    Now the original is texting back and forth but I want to go with the new non-neurotic one for now.

    The lesson in there is, if a woman is breaking up with you, immediately REFRAME the horror scene by asking her to at least replace herself. Our culture should get the word out to women to make sure the men they abandon are taken care of with someone of equal value. 😉

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  27. on February 18, 2010 at 1:22 pm Jay

    Reading this blog, I often get the impression that Roissy is trying (successfully) to rebalance the power dynamic: women like to think they have such control over men, and they exercise their power through their male-destroying capricious whims (I’m pretty sure women get off on the idea of emotionally devastating a man when breaking up with him).

    But guess what bitch? Your sexual market value is wrapped up in your transient beauty, which rapidly declines when you hit the wall; your value is predicated on your novelty; you’re more often than not a mere disposable hole to the guys you really tingle for, etc.

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  28. on February 18, 2010 at 1:27 pm john

    Zooey Deschanel? Try Maggie Gyllenhall!

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  29. on February 18, 2010 at 1:28 pm Ackroyd

    “When I start feeling like I could go a day without fucking my girlfriend, that’s when I seriously mull the option to reenter the dating market with purpose.” That certainly sounds like someone with “a strong streak of romanticism”.

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  30. on February 18, 2010 at 1:31 pm john

    I love that tape of the old guy lowering the boom! But the bruvva STAYS on da bus! I would be off that bus and I’d get LOST!

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  31. on February 18, 2010 at 1:51 pm C

    The pre-valentines breakup is excellent. Listen to cries of anguish from the shattered soul of a woman who realizes she can no longer gobble interloper cock with impunity while keeping a provider on the side. Hoisted high with anticipation by her boyfriend’s impending proposal, the fall to reality’s depths — depths previously unknown to all but those who have explored her cavernous cunt — is exceedingly well delivered. I’ll bet her greedy vagina has never felt so empty.

    Notice how coolly she explains how her fuckfriend is just a pal before the full extent of her whoring heart is shucked open and bled for public viewing.

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  32. on February 18, 2010 at 2:00 pm PlanetGrok

    MRA Jack

    Hate to break it to you, but it was probably your age, guy. And if you haven’t banged her, she is not in your harem. Not anywhere close. Especially after 5 dates and some beta hand holding. She probably told her friend she could squeeze a bunch of dinners from you without having to put out. Good luck, nonetheless.

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  33. on February 18, 2010 at 2:02 pm PlanetGrok

    Are Scotsmen the most alpha men in the West?
    You decide: http://planetgrok.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/scotsmen-the-most-alpha-men-in-the-west/

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  34. on February 18, 2010 at 2:07 pm Schwanson

    Killer breakdown. This is an epiphany.

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  35. on February 18, 2010 at 2:19 pm Laura

    Getting older is kind of the ultimate reality check for a woman. I suppose it is for men also, it just seems like you guys get quite a few more years of attractiveness to the opposite sex than we do. The balance of power definitely shifts in men’s power by late twenties, early thirties. I’m in my mid-thirties and honestly trying to look hot at my age is futile. I mostly try for attractive and presentable. I think Roissy is pretty hard on women, but I do believe there some insight for women to be gained on this website.

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  36. on February 18, 2010 at 2:41 pm Kissing

    Why even look for a long term relationship, if this is your true drive and what is going to make you the happiest? Men: just stay single if you don’t plan on being faithful. There. Problem solved. Seriously, life doesn’t have to be this hard…

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  37. on February 18, 2010 at 2:55 pm CMeNoMore

    But here’s the confusion, what if you’re an 8 and the man you’re with WON’T have sex with you but is trying to hook up with girls off of craigslist ?

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  38. on February 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm Jean

    I have to partially disagee with a point here, or at least how things are phrased.
    Original statement:
    Essentially, two uber variables are responsible for how men feel about their lovers. One, how hot is she? And two, how novel is her pussy?

    I think there’s a third, which I think Ferdinand Bardamu mentioned, thogh it might date back to Duncan Idaho…
    Even if you have a hot 21-year-old virgin 10 in looks, if her mind isn’t decent, you’ll lose interest real fast. (That part’s Roissy himself.) The extension comes from the other two – that should your wallet get emptied at an increasing pace, you’ll dump that 21-year-old virginal (no longer virgin) piece of a$$ as soon as the chance presents itself.

    My reasoning is, a man earns money for himself, not for the easement of her life. She’s replaceable, your time (and therefore money) are not. If she is little better than an embezzler, no matter how good her carnal arts are, no matter how fresh, innocent, or young she is, you will get tired of trying to rebuild your life and you’ll kick her to the curb.

    Always another fish on the line, even if it does taste like chicken…

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  39. on February 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm The G Manifesto

    Some follow ups on the Older tough guy:

    Epic Beard Guy Gets Tased

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq8VcE7sw1g&feature=related (guy has had a rough few days)

    Epic Beard Man – Mortal Kombat style

    – MPM

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  40. on February 18, 2010 at 3:03 pm The G Manifesto

    Some follow ups on the Older tough guy:

    Epic Beard Guy Gets Tased

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq8VcE7sw1g&feature=related (guy has had a rough few days)

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  41. on February 18, 2010 at 3:04 pm The G Manifesto

    Epic Beard Man – Mortal Kombat style

    – MPM

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  42. on February 18, 2010 at 3:11 pm Anonymous

    Charactistics of a psychopath

    Factor 1

    Aggressive narcissism
    Glibness/superficial charm
    Grandiose sense of self-worth
    Pathological lying
    Cunning/manipulative
    Lack of remorse or guilt
    Emotionally shallow
    Callous/lack of empathy
    Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

    Factor 2

    Socially deviant lifestyle
    Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
    Parasitic lifestyle
    Poor behavioral control
    Promiscuous sexual behavior
    Lack of realistic, long-term goals
    Impulsiveness
    Irresponsibility
    Juvenile delinquency
    Early behavioral problems
    Revocation of conditional release

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  43. on February 18, 2010 at 3:11 pm Anon

    Check it out

    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/dont_settle_for_the_man_you_wa.html

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  44. on February 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm Steve Johnson

    “what if you’re an 8 and the man you’re with WON’T have sex with you but is trying to hook up with girls off of craigslist ?”

    Then you’re not an 8.

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  45. on February 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm Lupo

    “what if you’re an 8 and the man you’re with WON’T have sex with you but is trying to hook up with girls off of craigslist ?”

    A: either you’re not an 8, or you’re at the expired end of the freshness graph.

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  46. on February 18, 2010 at 3:17 pm gig

    Then you’re not an 8.

    Aristotelian logics wins another one

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  47. on February 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm MRA (Jack)

    PlanetGrok: Not necessarily – nobody knows I am older than 36 (do you think I would admit my real age) and there are others 18-21 who are involved sexually – but, as I said, I *must* assume that I am rejected for age much of the time in dealing in that age group. I at least look a lot like a quasi Bruce Willis who also wouldn’t be having problems getting at least dates on campus.

    Plus, “harem” has not been defined as just those one has intercourse with. Some of us avoid intercourse with more than just one woman but play sexually with a number of others.

    In this case, we hadn’t gotten sexual – but some of the coeds who do go sexual, only do so after knowing me for months and holding hands during that time. This one had said she wanted flowers for Valentines Day and said she wanted to come to my place for the day and, frankly, I believe she got suspicious that I supposedly went on a business trip last weekend when, of course, I was home with my regular 24 year old girlfriend that day. Women are not stupid and Valentines Day is a huge minefield for men to get through safely with the smarter harem members still along for the ride. As Roissy would have predicted, I could have lost one of the best and freshest of the youngest who was not satisfied with my explanation of what I was doing on V Day.

    The price one pays with multiple relationships is the youngest and best may bail out.

    So it gets into semantics. I would agree that hand-holding too long is Beta…but I deliberately seek out nerdy virgins 18-21 which is dicey territory where the delayed and not guaranteed payout is worth more than in other territory. My current gf is now 24 but was once one of the nerdy virgins.

    Dinners at a popular college pizza joint are not worth it for a coed to finagle out of an “old man” – especially as other students will witness the date – so I am not being seen as an “old man” just like Bruce Willis a few years back would not fit that description. Like most women, there is clearly an attraction to a 30 something looking man who is seen as rich and worldy – someone who really can take a woman on a weekend trip to the tropics. Even US coeds admit they would date a millionaire in his 40s. Again, anyone that age is playing on dangerous ground in terms of imminent rejection.

    Yes, I *must* assume that I have to hit the gym hard tomorrow night, but it isn’t smart for a man to worry too much about his having possibly been rejected for age because that might cause him to make the fatal mistake of not TRYING ANYMORE to go for the gold.

    I could write a book about how men will take such incidents and “get realistic” uneccesarily and constantly revise their expectations upwards in age until they are dating only women their own age out of fear of being rejected by someone younger otherwise.

    You have to climb right back on the horse, which was one of the main themes I was trying to say. I replaced one dating friend with an equivalent (hopefully). If the new one is more mercenary…all the better! I just hope the new one is as fresh (doesn’t sleep around).

    The main point I wanted to make is that you cannot let a woman get enjoyment out of breaking up with you and she should come out of it with second thoughts. By asking her immediately to introduce you to someone else, it shows her replacability and, ironically, can win back her respect if not interest.

    In this case, I saved the relationship with the original who otherwise would have never wanted to speak to me again (if all I could do today was demand an explanation for the breakup – which is something a smart man will make sure he somehow learns – in this case, while dating the second coed, I will learn the truth about why things did not work out with the first).

    I *will* be at the gym tomorrow night because any man or woman over 25 *MUST* constantly attend to their bodies. Rejection because of age is imminent to anyone who wants their sexual partners as fresh as possible. It is like Jurassic Park out there. Imminent danger of being removed from the micro gene pool. But I am not moving to the safe Beta Park anytime soon.

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  48. on February 18, 2010 at 3:29 pm dragnet

    “what if you’re an 8 and the man you’re with WON’T have sex with you but is trying to hook up with girls off of craigslist ?”

    Then you’re not an 8.“

    This has been another episode of simple answers to absolutely fucking retarded questions.

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  49. on February 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm MRA (Jack)

    It goes without saying that a man has to be dealing with multiple college campuses – and multiple cities – and his job has to be BELIEVABLY one that requires frequent travel often at a moment’s notice. Choose a city that is in a cluster with other cities, kind of like the Seven Sisters constellation in the sky. You cannot allow even the main squeeze to move in with you. That is the kiss of death.

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  50. on February 18, 2010 at 3:38 pm Anonymous

    Anonymous (and as Anon) you said it… women want that but, somehow, not have bad consequences for them.

    Psychopathy… “Alpha” enough for you, girls? See how responsibility is “Beta” there.

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  51. on February 18, 2010 at 3:44 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Charactistics of a psychopath

    Factor 1

    Aggressive narcissism
    Glibness/superficial charm
    Grandiose sense of self-worth
    Pathological lying
    Cunning/manipulative
    Lack of remorse or guilt
    Emotionally shallow
    Callous/lack of empathy
    Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

    Congratulations, you’ve described 90% of women in western culture.

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  52. on February 18, 2010 at 3:49 pm Rollo Tomassi

    What I find ironic about these graphs is that they’d be necessarily be useful to women in the first place. It’s not rocket science, but women make it rocket science in order to mask the ugly truths.

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  53. on February 18, 2010 at 3:49 pm Anonymous

    Tell Hannibal Lector he’s acting like a bitch, though.

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  54. on February 18, 2010 at 3:50 pm Anonymous

    Huh, which Anonymous are you?

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  55. on February 18, 2010 at 3:51 pm Anonymous

    Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

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  56. on February 18, 2010 at 3:51 pm Anonymous

    Dunno, me either. [shrugs]

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  57. on February 18, 2010 at 3:53 pm Anonymous

    Beats me, too, but Epic Beard Guy (EBG) is the sh*t.

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  58. on February 18, 2010 at 4:06 pm Rake

    MRA (Jack) said:

    “I *will* be at the gym tomorrow night because any man or woman over 25 *MUST* constantly attend to their bodies.”

    I hear ya brother. Crossfit five days a week for me.

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  59. on February 18, 2010 at 4:17 pm hahahahah

    “How much for a spit shine?”and “Somebody call the Amba-Lamps.” Two classic lines.

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  60. on February 18, 2010 at 4:25 pm Steve Johnson

    BTW, the original post contained a great example of game rather than the usual explanations:

    “This may seem like I’m placing some hard-to-please demands on my women, but the woman who can keep me sexually entertained for years will know she is a worthy lover indeed.”

    Very smooth qualifier there.

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  61. on February 18, 2010 at 4:29 pm CMeNoMore

    @Lupo
    The latter I suppose. But the man in question is a religious type.

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  62. on February 18, 2010 at 6:26 pm JP

    Ron Paul!

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  63. on February 18, 2010 at 8:00 pm Anon

    SURVEY CONFIRMS ALMOST 40% OF HUSBANDS NO LONGER FUCK THEIR (FAT) WIVES:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2010/02/17/2010-02-17_lagging_male_libidos_why_it_may_be_men_who_are_saying_not_tonight_dear_.html

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  64. on February 18, 2010 at 8:15 pm Guest

    Do betas raise the expectation for the male population? Just like sluts do for the females and thus all the unnecessary hate?

    I’m writing something on how men hate romantic movies aka “chick flicks” for the same reason women hate porn. It raises the expectations of a lover and causes undesired comparisons and dissatisfaction.

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  65. on February 18, 2010 at 8:18 pm PlanetGrok

    MRA Jack

    Good Points wrt your explanation, although I disagree with your definition of harem. A harem for me is comprised only of women I am banging. And any chick that waits more than 3 dates gets the skittles treatment. Even young geeky girls like alpha men so skip the hand holding, IMO, until you have banged. Make her come to you…they want to be desired. Make them work for it.

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  66. on February 18, 2010 at 8:30 pm Curious George

    Wait, what is wrong with betas again?

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  67. on February 18, 2010 at 8:48 pm PlanetGrok

    They’re spineless feminized pussies, for one.

    Back in the day, masculinity was celebrated and a “beta” back then would be an “alpha” today.

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  68. on February 18, 2010 at 9:32 pm 11minutes

    Male biology is a bitch, too.

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  69. on February 18, 2010 at 9:32 pm Black Flag

    “women like to think they have such control over men, and they exercise their power through their male-destroying capricious whims (I’m pretty sure women get off on the idea of emotionally devastating a man when breaking up with him).”

    Looking strictly at the observable behavior, it does seem that way, doesn’t it. Women appear to be cruel, heartless, and at times even sadistic. But if you subscribe to the theory of Game, you should see you’re making a series of false assumptions about the motives that drive their romantic/sexual behavior.

    You think that women base their actions on conscious decisions they make in a considered, cerebral way. They don’t. Not only do they not understand why they feel as they do (e.g. an escalating disgust for their beta boyfriends/husbands who cater to their “capricious whims”); not only are they incapable of changing those feelings; they are not–and this varies depending on the woman–entirely able to control the way they react to these feelings. It follows that women are not wholly responsible for the pain they cause: it’s, well, it’s Cruelty in the Third Degree.

    You must be getting irritated right about now. But bear with me.

    Game posits that the core of a woman’s sexual nature is innate, the result of thousands of years of evolutionary trial and error, and that it is this inner core that compels her sexual impulses, emotions and behaviors. She can’t understand why she feels as she does and does not like it, as these unaccountable feelings and emotions often compel her to make decisions she knows are not rational, not moral, and NOT in her considered best interests:

    Do you suppose a woman married to a man who is gentle, who adores her, who provides for her and her children, and who rushes to indulge her every whim *wants* to feel disgust for him, to hurt him, to divorce him? Of course not. Particularly as she rarely has the opportunity to leave him for an Alpha. She just wants out; she can’t stand his sucking up any more. And rage about the divorce laws all you like, gentlemen; the fact is, for most women divorce is a big fat pay cut. On the other hand, do you imagine a woman is pleased to find herself helplessly attracted to a man who can be cruel and unfeeling, who acts the tyrant, who demands that she indulge his every whim, who refuses to be faithful to her even though she hasn’t the slightest desire to be unfaithful to him, and who she knows will leave her flat as soon as something better comes along?

    She does not want any of these things, and yet, as practitioners of Game know, she does. And she does so against all reason and in spite of very intense countervailing social conditioning. The power of biological determinism to effect love and attraction is beyond astonishing. Some women are effected more than others, but some are almost powerless to resist it.

    And you should know it. If you practice Game, you’ve seen it. And yet still, understanding all that, you imply womankind must be collectively reviled for acting on instincts hard-wired into their brains–simply because the resulting behavior often results in the cruel and unfair treatment of men. Naturally there is no recognition of the misery and guilt these very women live with as a consequence of the shameful conduct their maladaptive biological impulses drive them to. And certainly there is no recognition that it is the spineless, sacless, utterly risible behavior of their beta boyfriends that triggers the disaster in the first place.

    Women don’t “get off” on emotionally devastating a man when they break up with him–they wouldn’t have chosen him in the first place if they never had any liking for him at all. And even when a woman reaches her breaking point she often intends to be as nice as possible in sending him packing. But for the most part, she fails. Because at that point, she despises him.

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  70. on February 18, 2010 at 9:55 pm JB

    BF: Extremely insightful post – that’s the WHOLE truth about women.

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  71. on February 18, 2010 at 10:09 pm anonmusic

    Jesus H Christ what is this shit? Alpha.. beta.. graphs! Lots of trash talk… it’s like a bunch of study-hall Neitzches nit-picking Ayn Rand. Except you wear khakis and work in an office now.

    Word, kiddies: if you are posting shit on the internet you ain’t John wayne, get over it.

    Ok, you want to get laid? Learn music. Guitar or keyboards, your choice. My experience is keyboards are best, keeps you from looking like a fucking troubadour. Bass or drums is sort of ok too, but you gotta be in a band and that’s a bunch of extra headache I won’t go into.

    Smartest thing I ever did was sticking with my piano lessons when I was a kid, when I was getting called pussy and every other damn thing about 10 times a day, between ass-wippings. Firstly, because I fucked my piano teacher when I was 14 (she was my first, she was 24 and would probably go to jail nowdays) and secondly because music gave me an instant in to about as much pussy as I care for, and thirdly because the assholes on the football team or whatever are now middle aged pot-bellied balding mopes with ugly wives, and I’m still up to my neck in ass soup whenever I want to be. He who laughs last, my dears…

    And this is the other great thing about music: it never lets you down. Your wife can’t sue you for your musical ability on the way out the door. Contra what all the chest-beaters here tell you – after you’ve fucked about 50 more-or-less strangers the novelty does wear off. But I still sit down and play 3-5 hours a day. Pure pleasure.

    According to this blog I’m as beta as the sky is blue – I don’t give a crap about all this caterwauling about what it “means to be a man”, and who cares? I sit down at a piano and believe me I get all the attention I need. If anyone hassles me the bouncers take care of it. I don’t have a fucking dime and I don’t care about that either.

    So learn a musical instrument. Study hard, like it is your only chance of getting laid – after a couple of hours a day for a couple of years (i.e., your Xbox time, you child) you’ll start to just get a feel for it. A couple of more years and you won’t be embarrassed to play for your friends. 3-5 more years after that and you’ll start to notice women looking at you funny and you’re off to the races. Time is going to go by anyway, why waste it on all this “game” calculus and hair-splitting about what to say when, that at best is going to get you into the pants of women you don’t really like. Some skill.

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  72. on February 18, 2010 at 10:32 pm Jonas

    BF: that was beautiful

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  73. on February 18, 2010 at 10:38 pm calvinwallace

    Piano? Really? ….
    Get into being a DJ or something.

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  74. on February 18, 2010 at 11:13 pm Anonymous

    *Congratulations, you’ve described 90% of western culture

    fix’d

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  75. on February 18, 2010 at 11:46 pm Rum

    Black Flag
    Good comment, actually. But the implications of your insights are dire: Females, especially young ones, need a lot of external controls or they will destroy many lives including their own – considering the immense power they deploy – thoughtlessly – ages 17 to 29.

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  76. on February 18, 2010 at 11:50 pm play station x

    This may seem like I’m placing some hard-to-please demands on my women, but the woman who can keep me sexually entertained for years will know she is a worthy lover indeed.

    Ego bloated much?

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  77. on February 18, 2010 at 11:57 pm Beta Please

    anonmusic, artistic ability is the only valid approach, and all else is worthless?

    You got your ass kicked, weaseled your way through music, and you’re proud?

    If anyone hassles you, the bouncers protect you?

    You don’t have a dime, and you “don’t care?”

    You don’t give a crap about what it means “to be a man?”

    Well, sir, that all may be, but at least no one will mistake you for a guitar-tickling troubadour. I raise a glass in and to your honor. May we all grow up to be like you. You fox, you.

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  78. on February 19, 2010 at 12:36 am PRCalDude

    The tribe is on a role this week:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/opinion/18bettelheim.html

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  79. on February 19, 2010 at 12:39 am PRCalDude

    *roll

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  80. on February 19, 2010 at 12:53 am ATC

    Roissy said:
    As we can see from the above, most men couldn’t be bothered to bang 5s and below more than once per day. But anything over a 6 and a man’s sexual urge shoots through the roof. 8s, 9s, and 10s are really nature’s natural viagra.

    For the record, Levitra works better than Viagra.

    I am about 75 percent eunuch and am getting testosterone shots to treat the root cause. (They ain’t doing much so far.) No wonder I needed to learn Game the way a kid learns to ride a bike.

    If God or docs gave all of us here T levels of 800, how many of us would become naturals?

    Forget sexbots. Juice us up, science!

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  81. on February 19, 2010 at 1:15 am Steve Johnson

    PRCalDude:

    Unbelievable article.

    Money quote:

    “What children need instead are no-fault custody proceedings — which could be accomplished with two changes to state family law. First, take the money out of the picture by establishing fixed formulas for child support that ensure the children are well taken care of in both homes, regardless of the number of days they spend in each. Second, defuse tension by requiring parents to enter mediation to find a custody solution that best meets the needs of all concerned.

    Agreements reached through mediation would need to be binding (subject to the approval of a judge), so that they could not be discarded or contested later if new disagreements were to arise.”

    So the author thinks that unilateral rulings by a judge are bad and her solution is unilateral rulings by a marriage therapist.

    By the way, the author is a marriage therapist.

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  82. on February 19, 2010 at 1:57 am Jacko

    I don’t know who you are or what kind of person you’d be like were I to meet you, but you are one clever bastard, Mr. Roissy. I tip my hat to you. It takes quite a talent to write as you do. I’ve been following this topic and men’s issues for about a year now, and I believe you’ve hit the zeitgeist of our time. Sounds a little pretensious, but it’s true. Why not game when there is a 50/50 chance you’ll wind up in family court and sentenced to a psychological and financial gulag for the rest of your days, eating Kraft macaroni on a card table in a one bedroom apartment?

    Here is a link to a New York Beta Times article about the future belonging to househusbands. Seems people believe in a utopian future of men turning into larger girlfriends of their wives, happily staying home while the wifey goes off to work. When will people acknowledge the truth of man’s nature? We are jealous, power-hungry carnivores. I cannot believe men will be programmed into being something they are not. In fact, I see the opposite happening. Marriage will continue to decline and bottom out at 20% in the near future. Men will learn to ‘game’. Expect more single men to save all their money for themselves and plan for a life of luxury in their retirement in the Philippines or Thailand.

    Golf, sunshine, white sand beaches and babes. Don’t tell me that doesn’t good to you. Here’s the article:

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/why-househusbands-are-the-future/

    Cheers,

    Jacko.

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  83. on February 19, 2010 at 2:27 am Black Flag

    Rum,

    “Good comment, actually. But the implications of your insights are dire: Females, especially young ones, need a lot of external controls or they will destroy many lives including their own – considering the immense power they deploy – thoughtlessly – ages 17 to 29.”

    Thank you very much. I want to be very careful not to over generalize here. I think all women share the same core nature (which is why women had a better shot at a happy marriage before Feminists decided to emasculate our men). But in many women this essential sexual self is deeply buried and exerts only the most mild effect on their emotions and behavior. Some women are actually quite tolerant of beta behavior and can be deeply happy with such a boyfriend/husband. They may experience the odd, barely perceptible twinge of irritation here and there when their beta overdoes it, but they simply write it off as part of the grumpy mood they’re in. I would say that most women feel it more strongly than that, but they are still perfectly capable of suppressing their negative reactions and not allowing such feelings to poison their love for their betas. Because what irritates them? The adoring, solicitous behavior of their men. That’s that sort of thing a woman is supposed to want, so how could such a thing possibly annoy? It could not. Must be PMS. These sorts of women don’t want Alphas (unless we’re talking about younger girls and the Alphas are hot–looks are paramount at that age). They sense they are dangerous and will never give them the settled, secure life they truly do desire. Alphas can run Game on them all day long–they may be tempted, but in the end they’ll take a pass.

    It’s a continuum, and some women have better control over their emotions than others.

    That said, there are some women who are very powerfully affected by their core natures, and you’re exactly right: they do destroy many lives, including their own.

    For the purpose of illustration, I will tell you the tale of Miss X, a very sad case indeed. For years–until quite recently–she believed there was something horribly wrong with her, some hideous flaw in her character that made her incapable of feeling sustained romantic love. She imagined that her heart was this tiny, black, desiccated thing, so twisted and perverse that she was cursed to eventually hate every man she loved.

    As a girl she prided herself on her perfect record of fidelity. When one boy got too annoying and another caught her fancy, she wasted no time dumping Annoying and taking up with New Guy. She could always do it in a carefully composed letter, since all parties were cloistered at single-sex boarding schools. She thought herself both honorable and polite.

    In college she was still honorable but found politeness impossible to maintain, as the boys there were so profoundly irritating. Then, twelve years ago her nancy boyfriend de jour introduced her to a friend of his, who was the hottest guy she’d ever seen up close. She moved in with Hottie two weeks later.

    Hottie quickly sorted out her life, made her go to class, and weaned her off hard drugs. She was head over heals in love. The years passed and they settled into a pattern: He paid her bills so she wouldn’t have to bother with it. He forgave her every time she broke into her yearly hysterics and announced she’d got drunk and cheated on him. (It was always the same: awful, joyless sex with some random faceless guy she’d met at a party or some skanky bar. But he never asked for details). Cheating is a form of displaced drug addiction, he’d say, he would help her work through it. And he took her to Amsterdam every Spring, because it was her favorite place in the world.

    Her last year in law school he proposed there. She wanted to strangle him and toss him in the Amstel; but she couldn’t, because she loved him, right? And he took such good care of her, how could she possibly refuse him? She jilted him two days before their wedding. She couldn’t bear the thought of trying to smother her contempt for him for even a single more day.

    What a bitch! What the fuck was wrong with her? She figured she was either the most vile person in the world or the craziest. She immediately engaged a therapist to determine which. He still hasn’t figured it out. For the last five years the fraudulent buffoon’s been banging on about how she must have a daddy issue.

    Hottie was treated abominably. He probably hates Miss X and he has every right. And she’s hated herself on his behalf for a very long time–a lot longer than he has. And if she could have forced herself to feel differently, taken some drug, had some operation, she damn well would have. But she couldn’t.

    So yes, X is a good example of such a woman and she has caused a great deal of trouble. Dire indeed. But I don’t know what “external control” could have prevented such a catastrophe, unless X had stayed in boarding school until she was 30. I’m absolutely certain, however, her school would never have agreed to that.

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  84. on February 19, 2010 at 2:31 am Thursday

    Black Flag:

    Awesome comment and welcome.

    Rum:

    Nice follow up.

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  85. on February 19, 2010 at 2:41 am Thursday

    Or should I say awsome comments.

    A lot of what you are saying is confirmed by the science out there. Marital happiness for women actually correlates with psychological femininity in their husbands. Some women really do prefer their men on the beta side. Not too beta, of course.

    Anyway, see here:
    http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2009/09/alphas-betas-and-marital-status.html?showComment=1252494463156#c1311397039565191984

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  86. on February 19, 2010 at 2:51 am Thursday

    On another front, I linked here to some studies on what correlates with high female sociosexuality.

    Small correlations with masculine digit ratios and high self esteem, i.e. they think they are better looking than they really are. That’s right, all those taunts that only low self esteem girls respond to game are bullshit. Negs etc. are necessary because these girls think way too well of themselves. (Testosterone gives you both higher self esteem and a higher sex drive.)

    Biggest correlation though was how much she spends on alcohol. Contra Roissy, there is such a thing as a bar girl.

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  87. on February 19, 2010 at 2:58 am Lupo

    @CMeNoMore “But the man in question is a religious type.”

    If he was a religious type in a way that mattered, he would be married to you, rather than simply boning you. Or in this case, not boning you.

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  88. on February 19, 2010 at 3:01 am Lupo

    @Thursday: “Marital happiness for women actually correlates with psychological femininity in their husbands. Some women really do prefer their men on the beta side.”

    Psychological femininity has very little to do with alpha versus beta these days. In PUA terms, most “alphas” have a strong streak of female style emotional intelligence. Many are downright androgynous. People from the time of the ancient Greeks have written about this. As H.L. Mencken put it in the world’s greatest PUA manual, “In Defense of Women,”

    “Find me an obviously intelligent man, a man free from sentimentality and illusion, a man hard to deceive, a man of the first class, and I’ll show you aman with a wide streak of woman in him.”

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  89. on February 19, 2010 at 4:59 am MRA (Jack)

    Update: Turns out the 21-9 had actually gotten more upset than I originally thought when I accidentally texted her three days ago greeting her with another woman’s name. I had thought she at least recognized that the message was specifically to her and accepted the explanation that the greeting mistake was because I had just been talking to a colleague. No such luck. I had blown it – according to the Roissy Maxim, the youngest and hottest can be the most sensitive to the idea they might not be the only one and flee the coup. The good news was the trouble 1) wasn’t because I looked old and 2) I still have that date with one of her classmates I got her to arrange when we were “breaking up” yesterday as a consolation prize and 3) she responded well last night to the BS I texted about how sweet and nice a person she was in the process of breaking up (the opposite was the case until she realized that I was satisfied to date her classmate). I might finagle this “fight” into my getting her back into the romance orbit while dating her acquaintance.

    But I have not texted at all today and won’t.

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  90. on February 19, 2010 at 8:16 am lovelysexybeauty

    Black Flag

    These sorts of women don’t want Alphas (unless we’re talking about younger girls and the Alphas are hot–looks are paramount at that age). They sense they are dangerous and will never give them the settled, secure life they truly do desire. Alphas can run Game on them all day long–they may be tempted, but in the end they’ll take a pass.

    It’s a continuum, and some women have better control over their emotions than others.

    Luuvvvv that comment. As referenced by Thurs, the research does show that women want that perfect combo. of “cad” and “dad.” Too much of either and there are issues…lol… of either being an emotional wreck (too much push and pull does wear a person out)… or of not feeling that animal level attraction that an Alpha guy elicits. (I like this to kind of get at it – http://girlgame.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/passion-or-manic-depression/).

    @CMeNoMore

    If he was your husband, every major religion emphasizes 1) keeping your wife happy sexually and 2) not committing adultery. If you were to take him to a priest in his religion, he would counsel him similarly… you sure he is religious?

    But if he’s your boyfriend, I think these guys are right… he’s not that into you. He might be keeping you around while he shops around for someone better (he’ll continue taking emotional and/or financial support you might be giving in the meantime of course). Or maybe he’s trying to send you a message? Some guys don’t want to break up with a girl because they avoid drama…

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  91. on February 19, 2010 at 8:20 am lovelyshhbeauty

    Also, just because a girl doesn’t want to have s*x before marriage/commitment/whatever, doesn’t mean she doesn’t expect the guy to stop actively trying to change her mind… in fact I think it’s expected that he will keep on trying, and “lose control sometimes”… because that’s how she knows he really likes her…. he’ll keep on trying to “slip one in by accident” or something… because he’s a man and it’s obvious guys have needs (especially at younger ages). Just another perspective on what some v-card carriers might think… 😉 That’ all

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  92. on February 19, 2010 at 8:24 am Barge

    Most Beta Male Ever To Feature On This Site Even Peripherally: the guy who dumped his girlfriend live on air.

    “This person cheated on me and hurt my feelings so I will humiliate them in public and spoil their life and everyone will know… no no, my MIND is made UP; don’t confuse me with SILLY FACTS…”

    Not how a man behaves. Not in any way. I can see why she cheated on him.

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  93. on February 19, 2010 at 10:32 am Vincent Ignatius

    Most women will convince themselves that a “good” man won’t cheat.

    Men move through the freshness scales at different rates. For the average guy’s 7/8, she’s stale for me after 2 or 3 fucks. A 5/6 is expired after the first time.

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  94. on February 19, 2010 at 10:49 am venturaurc

    “So the author thinks that unilateral rulings by a judge are bad and her solution is unilateral rulings by a marriage therapist.

    By the way, the author is a marriage therapist.”

    You missed the article by David Brooks earlier in the week where he basically apologized for the existence of men, hence my “tribe is on a roll this week.”

    Women are practically screaming for the restoration of a robust patriarchy at this point. They’ve taken the wheel and have driven things completely into a ditch with the help of the David Brookses of the world.

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  95. on February 19, 2010 at 11:07 am the dude

    LOL Woods on TV…alpha or beta

    pussy!

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  96. on February 19, 2010 at 11:15 am bort

    You should have live blogged the Tiger Woods press conference, you ninny.

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  97. on February 19, 2010 at 11:27 am anonymous

    (MRA) Jack

    – Who gives a fuck about your updates? Keep your diary to yourself, my man.

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  98. on February 19, 2010 at 11:44 am Whatever

    Women are practically screaming for the restoration of a robust patriarchy at this point.

    Let’s try not to confuse many women’s desire for the Big Alpha to seize her roughly while getting the worthless beta’s in line with an actual desire for patriarchy.

    “Big Boss” culture, in short, isn’t patriarchy.

    Another thing women are complaining about is the “Big Boss”(that is government and corporations together) shield from “Little Men” and “Reality” is breaking down.

    So now comes the time to for men to Man Up and Fix It.

    Men can “take care” of the bad times, and Woman can “take care” of the good times.

    Whatever.

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  99. on February 19, 2010 at 12:05 pm El Guapo

    @the dude

    Tiger — neither alpha nor beta. This is extreme avoidance behavior — an attempt at securing a divorce at the 100 million dollar level rather than the 450 million dollar level. His acting was superb.

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  100. on February 19, 2010 at 12:16 pm Whatever

    Black Flag, sounds like a high female-sex drive chick. They do tend to have a lot of problems in love.

    I can now count five that I’ve run into in like the last year. A new one just started posting on Girl Game in the last few days.

    The lawyer/power-girl ones have it really hard. The men they attract… and find “mental/spiritual” happiness with, like Mr. Life Planner in your story, Firepower in another, or eumaios in a third, just aren’t initially designed to fire that ‘gina tingle’ up.

    They can learn to, but it is most definitely not innate. And yes, Mr. Life Planner has the near-insane detachment from the moment that I’d expect from that kind of person.

    I’m fairly certain that all he needed to do was hit on chicks for six months or so and things would have worked out fine.(He doesn’t actually have to sleep with them, that’s not the point) He was also probably not possessive enough.

    These are all just models in my head, but they are consistently matching for several situations so far.

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  101. on February 19, 2010 at 12:26 pm the dude

    play sissy for the fem controlled world. tough life, but probably worth the $$
    here in Europe people wonder what’s up with asexual America, à la “with his status, of course he has mistresses. Not nice, but who didn’t?”

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  102. on February 19, 2010 at 12:41 pm MRA (Jack)

    Guest: Smart men learn from Chick Flix – but mostly what NOT to do. It takes practice sorting out that which one might want to emulate “cuz chicks dig it” and that which, in real life, wouldn’t work.

    The worst part of too many Chick Flix is when they imply that an alpha male would be attracted to a given aging actress. The best recent example would be “Its Complicated” where Meryl Streep, at 60, is supposedly so sexy that her ex, who left her for a much younger woman, wants to reject the younger woman to have sex with her every day. It is hard for men to stomach such nonsense.

    I don’t blame tons of men from getting up and walking away from Mumma Mia for that reason. I stayed for the music and because I found the younger actress to be a real hottie (and Meryl looked great too – I’d just want to date the hottie however).

    PlayStationX: One might add that the US government gets involved in classifying PUAs as psychopaths or other maladjusted types as well…and Congress and the judicial system have moved against men’s rights for a long while because of this. For instance, in holding up IMBRA, evidence was cited that men who date younger foreign women do so out of a “need to control and dominate” – while the plaintiff lawyer was too meek and stupid to say “No, it is because the young women are hotter looking than the local fare”. We are losing our rights in Congress and the courts because feminists and insecure older women are labeling us sociopaths – because they don’t want us to teach other men that it is OK to think like that- and the law-making (or huge divorce settlements that leave men eating peanut butter sandwichs on $72,000 per year income) are meant to cock-block us in the pursuit of hot young women.

    And many of these laws are officially meant to “protect” the young women from the sociopaths who wouldn’t be good and date fat women their own age.

    Anonymous: If you personally expect to be fat and hanging around with women your own age at 50, you wouldn’t give a fuck about my advice. Good luck with that. To each his own and the older women do need to be happy. I certainly don’t advocate that every guy date younger women.

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  103. on February 19, 2010 at 1:48 pm dick fuel

    two different concepts… okay, like how love isn’t quite fidelity.

    makes sense, and the charts are quite handy

    you’ve accelerated my learnings greatly, and for that a pending eternal thanks

    i truly hope you are sitting in ‘precious’ commodities, and appreciate the senatorial reverence. x-linked suffrage does tie up many loose ends. promising public failure shields to get power = failure

    think of all the shovel ready jobs we’d create if we bombed our own cities… what a renovation… fucking retards.

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  104. on February 19, 2010 at 2:09 pm R2D2

    I am not sure how I fit into the Alpha – Beta scale. I am a middle aged guy who flew off to Russia to bring back a young good looking well educated wife. So far, so good.

    I will definately back up Roissy about the list of things women want. One thing I noticed when I was in the market, was that American women’s list of absolute demands on local websites are much longer and more frivilous than women on the overseas websites. Quite often their absolute demands are “must be better educated than I, be able to afford an appartment, and be nice to me and my kid”. That’s it.

    Perhaps because I am older (almost 50) and was dating chicks here in their mid 20s to mid 30s that I simply do not have the time or patience of a younger man. Perhaps my hormones are tempered by age. The point is that many women from overseas know that they need to settle from a very early age and that they will never get everything. It is very east to bag a 10 if you are my age if you willing to marry a women with a child. It is almost like an arranged marriage. It is very clear what both parties want. It is hard to do that with an American women because what they want is always shifting. It is like a continous auction or the way airlines sell tickets. The cost of the tickets are expensive when there are only a few seats left and there is still a few days left. Once the plane takes off the empty seats are worthless.

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  105. on February 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm Vincent Ignatius

    …American women’s list of absolute demands on local websites are much longer and more frivilous than women on the overseas websites.

    Others have compared the price American women are charging in the dating/marriage market to an asset bubble. I think they’re right, but most women won’t realize this until the product has expired. The average American woman would be lucky to win a man in the bottom 20% of all men, but she thinks she deserves Mr. Big.

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  106. on February 19, 2010 at 3:19 pm Jack the Ripper

    Has anyone read this slut’s blog?

    http://sexandtheivy.com/

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  107. on February 19, 2010 at 3:44 pm MRA (Jack)

    Hollywood is doing this to a great extent and these films are being exported around the world, spreading the lies and unrealism. That’s a threat.

    Right now I’m watching (for no money to the jackasses who produced it) “Because I Said So” where Diane Keaton wants her daughter to find a good husband…the two guys the daughter dates are both in their 20s…daughter sleeps with both of them of course (the hero just found out he is getting sloppy seconds but he will propose to her in the end, 10 minutes from now)…but the unrealistic part just happened: a great looking 50 year old guy gets the hots for and cannot keep himself from making out with Diane Keaton who is sick with a cold and in her pajamas and robe with curlers.

    What this kind of film (“Its Complicated” shows these films will keep on coming) are saying is this:

    1) You good looking men over 40 in the audience of this film must not look at the curves of the young actresses like Mandy Moore (who plays a daughter) who is always dressed in lowcut outfits in the film. No. You’re not interested in that…because…

    2) You belong to us older women over 50. See how the best looking older actors cannot get enough of us sexually in these films. You want a piece of that. Diane Keaton…yum. Meg Ryan the Concentration Camp Victim…yum.

    Every one of these films shows a scene or two or three of the handsome 40-50 male having wild sex with the over 50 female.

    It is not so much to hypnotize betas into understanding that they must never consider Mandy Moore types within their reach – although it does that – what it does is tell the young foreign women watching the films what THEY should expect (several hunks to sleep with and then choose from their own age who have great jobs and live well and who will supposedly love them forever).

    Nothing about these shows are aimed at making males over 40 happy. And it is spreading, with pirate copies, all over the world.

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  108. on February 19, 2010 at 3:57 pm Hank R.

    This is SOOOOOO true. Viagra and Levitra and the rest are designed to help middle-aged men screw their old, boring wives. These men don’t need help screwing fresh, young pussy. But these men also have been brainwashed to believe it is their fault that they can’t get it up and rock hard for the same ol’ uninspiring lay. Once or twice a month is all they “need” from their wives. Anything more than that requires porn or fantasizing or whatever to create a more exciting scenario. After 10 years or so, marriage is a nightmare sexually.

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  109. on February 19, 2010 at 4:33 pm Lupo

    @Jack: “Has anyone read this slut’s blog?

    http://sexandtheivy.com/”

    I read it once after the New York Times article. Great example of, “if nobody knew what the dumb bitch looked like naked, nobody would read her blog.”

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  110. on February 19, 2010 at 4:48 pm Bill

    HS kid games maxim model into prom date
    http://www.asylum.com/2010/02/12/conner-cordova-arianny-celeste-prom-date-youtube-videos/

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  111. on February 19, 2010 at 4:52 pm MRA (Jack)

    Lupo: I just read as much as I could stand for the moment.

    She lost my respect when she wrote she aspires to be like JessicaValenti (editor of feministing).

    She seems smart enough to debate. Send her over to @mensnewsdaily and @antifeminism on Twitter for a debate. She is saying Christina Hoff Sommers couldn’t debate and did not know about feminism.

    She is probably correct at least in that we men cannot have conservative older women arguing against feminists for us. That is cowardice and, since these conservative older women would not like what is on this blog, dangerous. They talk about the wrong things when these conservative women fight feminists for us. Bless her heart, Phyllis Schlafly is on men’s side about getting VAWA overturned, but her concentration is on stopping sex and abortion. Those arguments aren’t going to fly with these young women.

    This Harvard blogger’s attitude about the short Asian guy Pham at Wellesley shows she is insecure and unwilling to take on people like Roissy or Glenn Sacks or at least Marc Rudov…nobody needed to lash out at the poor beta Pham who called Wellesley girls all whores. He was just a kid who hadn’t ever read anything about pua or mra. Leave the youngun alone. She needs to fight with men.

    Ask her to come over here.

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  112. on February 19, 2010 at 5:46 pm The G Manifesto

    Epic Beard Man Interviewed

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  113. on February 19, 2010 at 5:57 pm Jack Burton

    Zooey Deschanel?

    Come on, man. She is:

    1. 30.
    2. More scene-hot than real-hot. Meaning, she would be such an awesome status-symbol in any SWPL scene, that even professing to be into her is a kind of status symbol within that scene, because all the girls in that scene aspire to be her. In fact, the way you can objectively determine that she is not that hot, is that those bitches like her in the first place. If you don’t believe me, just ask them how they feel about Megan Fox.
    3. Quirky. Quirky always ages terribly. In fact, the honest definition of “quirky” is “weird-looking, but exquisitely youthful”.

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  114. on February 19, 2010 at 5:59 pm Tupac Chopra

    EBM is obviously a hard dude, even at 67.

    I don’t know what that black guy was thinking.

    You just don’t fuck with people like that.

    I’m glad he did though.

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  115. on February 19, 2010 at 6:15 pm NMKT_LONG

    EBM-
    Chick with the headphones is hipster hot.

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  116. on February 19, 2010 at 6:27 pm Tupac Chopra

    “Chick with the headphones is hipster hot.”

    knowyourmeme.com/i/000/040/506/original/366pxamberlamps.jpg?1266460786

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  117. on February 19, 2010 at 7:24 pm Anonymous

    The X and Y axis should be switched in position; the dependent variable is “number of times per day you want to do her” 🙂
    – Pupu

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  118. on February 19, 2010 at 7:30 pm Black Flag

    “I’m fairly certain that all he needed to do was hit on chicks for six months or so and things would have worked out fine.(He doesn’t actually have to sleep with them, that’s not the point)”

    I don’t know. I’m still reflecting on it. But I’m pretty sure all he needed to do was show me the back of his hand the first time I cheated on him and I never would have left his side. I remember that the fourth or fifth time around I actually requested that he do so and he refused. It was nice of him.

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  119. on February 19, 2010 at 10:16 pm chi-town

    The female conundrum may be somewhat easier to understand if a man considers the prospect of banging the 20 year old hottie bitch or a homely 50 year old woman of high character. Yet since his investment is low this conflict is rather obscured. A man giving in to the 20 year old is not really seen as exploited. Yet what really bakes the noodle more is that its linked within a man’s personality entirely. The synthesis is not between body and mind as it is with a man as in good body bad mind. Its the mind of the man entirely both at odds with the other. How do women find dogs that bite and dogs that don’t bite. When the dog is good at biting strangers they are good at biting the familiar. Certainly young women under 25 are less capable of dealing with this problem. They are emotional wrecks.

    The use I see in this forum for men looking at LTR who cannot quite bring themselves to be vicious is simply to be men of old. When a woman cannot submit, dump them. Having that ability will only emphasize you may find another. Don’t put women on a pedestal and remember the reason a woman is in your life, is selfishly for you. She serves your needs or she has no reason to be in your presence. She will probably be happier and more secure for it. Doing things for your wife is certainly good, but it must come at the price of your satisfaction.

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  120. on February 19, 2010 at 10:52 pm Renee

    Reading this thread, I wonder why guys who are so concerned with ~freshness~ and superficiality bother to be in relationships at all. If you meet a girl, simply be up front and let her know that you’re only interested in open relationships, friends with benefits scenerios, whatever…If she’s not interested then move on. That way, you won’t have to worry about cheating, lying, and everything that comes with actual relationships.

    An ugly truth of life is that men, unlike women, simply get off on sexual variety for its own sake. Don’t take it personally, ladies. We’re not cads. We’re just formed that way.

    I’m sorry, but this just reeks as a cop-out. A cad is a cad, a slut is a slut. In case you didn’t catch is, in my book cads and sluts are in the same category.

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  121. on February 19, 2010 at 11:32 pm Rum

    Black Flag

    If you did not exist someone would have to invent you.

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  122. on February 19, 2010 at 11:59 pm Me again

    “Essentially, two uber variables are responsible for how men feel about their lovers. One, how hot is she? And two, how novel is her pussy? That’s pretty much all there is.”

    You keep conflating the two subsets of the male gender — alpha (I would guess about 10% of the male population, 15% tops) and the rest, i.e., beta.

    For the beta, they would be happy to even be familiar with a pussy, much less be in a position to judge its novelty.

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: In human society, there are three genders: alpha male, beta male, and female. Both the alpha and beta males carry the XY chromosome, but in terms of cultural and evolutionary influence and significance, there is a world of difference.

    For your advice to be more useful, you should decide whether you are addressing and/or identifying with the alpha or the beta male gender. Otherwise, you’re just confusing the betas in your readership.

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  123. on February 20, 2010 at 12:43 am Me again

    Hey, has anyone drawn attention to this op-ed piece in the NYTimes by David Brooks, titled “Lean Years”? His theme was about how men in America are impacted by the current recession, and how there is a need “to redefine masculinity, creating an image that encourages teenage boys to stay in school and older men to pursue service jobs.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/opinion/16brooks.html

    This is a sad situation for America, indeed, but what also made me sad is that “service jobs” will never satisfy a man’s need to feel masculine. Maybe we’ve reached a critical mass, saturation point in America right now, where manufacturing and other jobs that depend on male physicality are so lacking and/or poorly compensated that men are forced to take “feminine” jobs or else endure soul-crushing long-term unemployment?

    Who is happier as a man: An Indian or Chinese factory worker who can feel the pride of providing for his family, albeit being a good “provider” in his society means maintaining his family in a dirt-floor house with no indoor plumbing / one-room apartment with no air-conditioning? And who can sleep at night knowing that his children’s bellies are full, albeit with “only” rice and maybe a tiny bit of meat, and that they will have more opportunity for a better life than he? Or an American man who was laid-off from his middle-management job at an auto parts company who has been forced to take a temp position at Wal Mart so that his adolescent son can ignore him while playing Xbox over the family dinner of Tuna Helper?

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  124. on February 20, 2010 at 1:03 am play station x

    GIVING UP ON A RELATIONSHIP

    Roissy’s 2nd most favorite thing to do.

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  125. on February 20, 2010 at 7:33 am Vincent Ignatius

    @Renee

    Upon first meeting people usually aren’t sure exactly what type of relationship they’ll want with a person. Even if someone has a good idea what they want, it tends to kill attraction if it’s just blurted out. e.g. Even if I’m in the market for a serious girlfriend, the smart, cute girl who tells me within 10 minutes of meeting her that she really wants a boyfriend is going to come off sounding desperate and I’ll start to wonder what’s wrong with her, killing any chance she has with me.

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  126. on February 20, 2010 at 7:49 am Anonymous

    “It’s Complicated” is a Baby Boomer-exploitation picture. Don’t take to brown Geritol, maaan! 🙂

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  127. on February 20, 2010 at 9:45 am Getting Girl Tips out of Boy Game: cheating « LovelySexyBeauty: adventures in love, enchantment, & beauty

    […] Roissy had a great post this week on understanding why a man might be inclined to cheat that every girl should read (please note my comment there that a man’s h*rniness for his girl […]

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  128. on February 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm INTP

    I think many women REALLY understand men want something new and fresh. That’s why females constantly change clothes, hairstyles, and makeup. Go for that “New Look”. It helps…but only for a little while.

    Here’s another way of putting it. Ladies, go out and purchase the nicest oriental rug or imported Italian leather couch you can afford. You will love it and run your hands over it for a week or two. Then it will start to look a little old. Then threadbare. Then you will get sick of it. Then you will want to get a new rug or couch and start all over again. See? That’s how men view women.

    Lesson for Men:
    Don’t get married lest you remain shackled to the same threadbare rug or couch for eternity.

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  129. on February 20, 2010 at 2:18 pm MRA (Jack)

    [If you meet a girl, simply be up front and let her know that you’re only interested in open relationships, friends with benefits scenerios, whatever…If she’s not interested then move on. That way, you won’t have to worry about cheating, lying, and everything that comes with actual relationships]

    That is easier said than done. If she is gorgeous enough, the man may want to play by the traditional rules of feigning a desire to enter into a monogamous bf/gf relationship. But I won’t dismiss what you say altogether, because once a man has two traditional relationships going on simultaneously, it becomes easier to ask other women to play by entirely different rules. As I’ve said before, men do tend to keep the woman or women who loves him around, especially if she’s naive enough or smart enough not to notice all the rest of the stuff going on. In that case, the official rules are the traditional ones while unofficial rules are never spoken of.

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  130. on February 20, 2010 at 2:42 pm Mish

    Wow – tons of insight on this blog. I kinda of disagree with some of the underlying philosophy, but I’m sure that will be chalked up to my Betaness.

    Me: 6’0 200lbs big muscles (ok sorta big), girls that like muscles dig me real hard – advanced degrees, sometimes cocky (i wear cowboy hats in Boston before I knew what peacocking was). I have very high testosterone levels, which is both good and bad, I can add muscle quickly, but am a hothead and can be emotional. I slept around a fair amount when I was younger – prb in the 50’s now, but was pretty much in relationships from 20-26 (i;m 27). These did a good job of bitching me up a fair amount i do admit. Just realized how important sex is to girls (thats sad) had a legit 7 for gf for 2 years in grad school and I became such a bitch with her that I could never last more than 10 min at best (usually like 4 min) bc i was so in love with her. Before her I could sport fuck like a champ, and he regained my skill (thankfully – you have no idea how scary it is to think that you just now suck in the sack). grad school girl asked me “So you’re no closer to marrying me are you?” After leaving engagement ring magazines all around the apt for months. I couldn’t marry her bc she wanted Muslim children and I’m Catholic (its a big deal to me).

    I think (to use your terms) i’m somewhat alpha (not that smooth in 1-1 situations), but I look real good on paper to girls (plus some chicks digg muscles) but once i start liking a girl I get bitch and play things badly. I need to toughen myself up emotionally though. I’m trying to use this blog or some other ones to help me out.

    My goal is us what god gave me to find a good girl. Looks are important to me, but I’d rather a great girl thats a 6 then a only somewhat compatible 9.5. I need help. I’ve seen a girl I twice now (former model shes very pretty) the dates have gone well, I make her very nervous so she usually ends up drinking a lot, which leads to her grabbing on my and being ultra touchy feely (kissing, grabbing my arms/chest etc). By the end of the date (2 so far) we are outside her place (i live far away and drive up shes doesn’t realize that) usually 20 min make out sessions, me trying to go inside. She is exp’ed enough to know that if she goes to quick I’ll scare away, and she’s right. But I don’t know much about this girl. How do I figure out if she is good for me and not a whore? (whore for me=25 plus ex bedfellows).

    I’m usually way to eager and convey this via text tht I want to hang out with her. I know I need to chill on that. What can I do to let her know that I’m thinking of walking away?

    How do I figure out if she’s like the girls that ppl describe on this site? If I’m in her Harem – I’m bounching. If she just wants a friend to bang I guess I could but thats not what I want. Shes dated a famous person for numerous yrs (seen pics of them together w/her fam so shes not a groupy) which I just downplay. She wants marriage she says and doesn’t believe in divorce (nor do i), so i think their is potential – but I don’t know how to play this.

    I’m expecting comments that say just bang her, or you’re a pus your game sux. I know it kinda does. I’m still hoping shes a nice girl and I would only date/see/screw someone until i know I couldn’t marry them. What can i do to help me figure this out? What can I do to not be a pus emotionally and act ambivalent?

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  131. on February 20, 2010 at 2:46 pm MRA (Jack)

    For instance, I may be feeling ridicule for Tiger Woods, but if my official girlfriend suddenly “caught me” and gave me a black eye and cried and cried and her mother came to me and said “how could you have done that to her” and everyone made out like I was expected to apologize and “change my ways”….I may have been just as humble pie…I have a lot of respect for the woman who wants to fight for me even if I don’t like the weapon she uses (societal norms).

    Then again, we’ve been together only a year. 😉

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  132. on February 20, 2010 at 3:09 pm MRA (Jack)

    Mish,

    Sounds like your main issue would be wondering if she has genital warts or what not. I tend to date religious virgins (albeit with little intention that they will stay that way) so I cannot relate so much. In any case, I don’t advise any men to get to banging right away (I know I take flak for that here) but you should at least now bring it into the bedroom for some grinding with her in her panties and stay the night and see how things go from there. All the emotions that come from actual intercourse can be initially avoided, while you’re going to be satisfied if she’s attactive enough (I’d rather grind a 10 in her panties than have intercourse with a 9).

    I find I quite often decide not to go for intercourse after some grinding because one gets the same feeling of “been there done that”. I just move on. Intercourse comes only if a woman turns me on so much I don’t get tired of her.

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  133. on February 20, 2010 at 3:15 pm Vincent Ignatius

    What can i do to help me figure this out? What can I do to not be a pus emotionally and act ambivalent?

    Fuck a lot of women and have reliable booty calls.

    Use Gunwitch’s advice to figure out if she’s worth it. If you could fuck this girl anytime you want, but you had to give up all other contact with her, would you? If you could definitely fuck the next ten hot girls you see, but you had to give this one up, would you? If you said yes to either of these, then she’s not worth it.

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  134. on February 20, 2010 at 3:39 pm Mish

    MRA – yeah I guess I need to convince her that if I go inside we don’t need to have sex. I’m pretty sure if i go in there will be sex. The more I’m thinking about it the less I like this girl. When she was really hammered towards the end of the first date she said a few times “I can have sex whenever I want.” To which I was like “good for you. So can I.” following up with “for a anyone with a vag thats not tough – Its actually a big turn off that you said that.” She immediately retracted and said she could but she didn’t. Right now at this point in my life, I can’t get laid whenever I want, but have been there when I could. I didn’t like who I was when I knew I could. To much work keeping up with all the different girls to be honest and the most fun part about it was bragging to my guy friends about it.

    Also- had the virgin bug for a little while. Took 7 vcards by 20. Had a near death exp, relized I was going ot die one day. Realized I didn’t care if they served beer in hell and knew I needed to be a better person. I don’t need anymore cards.

    The more I’m thinking about what this girl was saying the less I like her. Fuck. Guess I’ve made up my mind. Glad I realize this now when I’m not banging her and get soft and try to turn her into a gf even though shes a whore at heart. haha more than likely thats what I would have done just bc of her looks.

    Vin- Banging as many hot girls as possible is not my goal. I’d like to meet one girl with whom I get along great with hopefully shes hot but if not thats fine by me. I’m most attracted the cheap hot girls the less confident am i at the time. give me someone I can trust and that complements my strengths and helps negate my weaknesses and I got myself a great girl. Thats all I’m looking for.

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  135. on February 20, 2010 at 3:58 pm whiskey

    MRA Jack — the female fantasies (Mama Mia, Its Complicated, etc.) that show the older hag with the “hot” guy in his forties/fifties, appeal ONLY TO WOMEN.

    Look at the grosses. Men are not watching them. Indeed, films are going the way of TV, which are female-dominated, female-gay ghettos. Almost no men watch TV, which switched to female-gay norms, with showrunner Ed Bernero on Deadline Hollywood Daily (he runs Criminal Minds) admitting all the programming execs are female, and the crime-time shows are all aimed at women.

    Alec Baldwin showed up at the movie premiere with a twenty something hottie, not a woman Streep’s age. Jack Nicholson dates women his grand-daughter’s age. As Hollywood has become a gay-female ghetto its become irrelevant to most men, who retreat to Xboxen and sports.

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  136. on February 20, 2010 at 4:10 pm Mish

    Whiskey – Your point taps into a larger movement than you might know. Former hero archetypes in movies were guys who do the right thing, usually involving self denial and sacrifice. We’ve slowly seen the male hero get ruined. Adam Sandler? A leading Man? What was the movie where Orlando Bloom fought of the invading army? He looks like a bitch, and the message at the end of that movie confirms its attack on masculinity. Anti-heros used to be more fringe, now we typcially seeing a blurring of who is good and who is bad.

    My favorite though is the attacks on the archetypes themselves. Most ppl don’t realize what brokeback really was, and what it did. An attack on the symbol of masculinty. Foreigners think of Americans more from the cowboy persona than most americans realize. I could write a fucking thesis on this, but will stop because being on thei site for the list 4 hours has made me so fucking depressed.

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  137. on February 20, 2010 at 4:51 pm some other guy

    That was the literay point of Brokeback Mountain, which was an outstanding movie. Unforgiven was another western that turned the old formula on its head but in a different direction–another great movie.

    Whiskey, I really appreciate your stufff. Even when I think you go too far, you are interesting to read. You are in some ways the voice of a generation. But how were you so wrong about Avatar? Can you issue a correction to your prediction that it would fail at the box office. Also, although I know you’re right about TV being a female ghetto, and I myself can’t stomach any primetime show my female roommate watches, I would love it if you could link me to, say, Nielsen ratings divided by sex or to an article detailing the predominance of female viewership. I can’t find anything on the net like that, although it must exist. Anyway, Whiskey, keep up the good work.

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  138. on February 20, 2010 at 5:36 pm Puma

    Fathers4Justice Canada strikes the Winter Olympics!:

    http://www.f4jcanada.com/BCPages/F4J_Canada_Olympic_Action_BC.html

    HT: BettySwolloks

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  139. on February 20, 2010 at 5:45 pm Racer X

    Roissy said, “When I start feeling like I could go a day without fucking my girlfriend, that’s when I seriously mull the option to reenter the dating market with purpose. ”

    Are you in a “relationship” Roissy? Say it ain’t so. Why deny all those DC chics your benefits?

    Since when did casually fucking as many women as possible become “the dating market”. Dating is for chics.

    And if you are in a “relationship”, you still crave that exciting variety, don’t you. I don’t care how much in love I am with a woman, I still want to fuck as many other women as possible.

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  140. on February 20, 2010 at 7:28 pm Joey Giraud

    Black Flag’s excellent diatribe fit my frame to a tee:

    Modern post-enlightenment westerners like to think rationality is now the master over our base natures, that reason now rules supreme. They are wrong. Way wrong.

    ( as an aside: virtually all reasoning is really rationalization, unless you’re doing pure mathematics 🙂

    Women and men have buttons that can be pushed that make us feel and do things that we have a hard time controlling. Woman who don’t understand themselves can’t control themselves ( perhaps younger, or stupider, or unreflective, ) and are the most vulnerable to Game.

    Learning Game is really learning the buttons. Sure, it’s manipulative and callous, but so is being a doctor.

    I’m way past prime dating years ( 50 ) but reading Roissey and T’s murder of pretty lies is fleshing out my frame of reality as nothing else has. But starting now, I *will* use some Game in my next romantic effort, although being a real player is out of the question.

    A woman who can’t control her base impulses is as bad as man who can’t, and the young poon that’s prime target for Game players aren’t the kind who even begin to understand, much less control themselves.

    Might be happy getting laid by such a creature, but truth is I want a woman who knows and can control her own subversive nature the same way that I control my impulses to punch assholes in the face.

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  141. on February 20, 2010 at 7:37 pm Joey Giraud

    The conflict between a woman’s base nature and society’s rationalized construct of proper emotions and behaviours leaves many of them miserable and self-loathing.

    ( just saw the play “Apartment 3a,” which had a great example of that. Annie was guilty and miserable for thinking of alpha Donald while having “great” sex with beta bf. )

    We should pity them for that. From a distance, preferably. And we should try to educate the less defensive ones, and our daughters too. It’s the humane thing to do.

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  142. on February 20, 2010 at 7:44 pm Advocatus Diaboli

    Relationships are often not worth the lies, scams, manipulations and BS. After all, it is about sex..
    ____
    In defense of paying for sex..

    http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/altruism-adversarialism-and-women-06/

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  143. on February 20, 2010 at 9:35 pm Cannon's Canon

    my cock is huge and ferocious!

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  144. on February 20, 2010 at 9:38 pm Anonymous

    Love you long time, GI!

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  145. on February 20, 2010 at 10:32 pm PlanetGrok

    If anyone is interested in joining me in revenge against Denise Romano’s absurd assault on Roissy, the PUA industry, and the Freedom of Speech, I have provided a way to do that on my blog:

    http://planetgrok.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/denise-romano-quixotic-queen-of-quackiness/

    It only takes a few minutes of your time, and the result will be quite satisfying in aggregate, I think.

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  146. on February 20, 2010 at 11:01 pm PlanetGrok

    My last comment seemed to get eaten. Might have been the link I included that got flagged as spam.

    Just wanted to say that other Roissy fans might be interested to know that Denise Romano has a book coming out. Anti-DRM activists flooded Amazon with one-star reviews of Spore, maybe all PUAs, MRAs, and plain old lovers of free speech would like to do likewise. I have a post up on my blog linking to Denise’s books. Only takes a few minutes of your time to register and give 1 star. 🙂

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  147. on February 20, 2010 at 11:04 pm Whatever

    Black Flag said:

    I don’t know. I’m still reflecting on it. But I’m pretty sure all he needed to do was show me the back of his hand the first time I cheated on him and I never would have left his side. I remember that the fourth or fifth time around I actually requested that he do so and he refused. It was nice of him.

    Short-term, probably. Long-term?

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  148. on February 21, 2010 at 12:32 am Mish

    Joey – great point.

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  149. on February 21, 2010 at 1:17 am JB

    “I’d like to meet one girl with whom I get along great with hopefully shes hot but if not thats fine by me. I’m most attracted the cheap hot girls the less confident am i at the time. give me someone I can trust and that complements my strengths and helps negate my weaknesses and I got myself a great girl. Thats all I’m looking for.”

    I’ve read all your comments. The answer is all right there, in plain sight.

    You use hot women that you’re incompatible with to prop up your confidence. You said yourself — even when you were with all those girls, the best part was bragging about the conquests. It was fundamentally about rep. So the player lifestyle is not for you. You don’t enjoy it. It’s pointless if you don’t.

    “give me someone I can trust and that complements my strengths and helps negate my weaknesses and I got myself a great girl.”

    That’s basically a whine. You’re expecting a girl to fall out of the sky without doing any of the work that’s going to get your mind straight and put you in a place where you’re going to meet her. You need a ton of therapy, whatever shape it takes.

    You have a trivial

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  150. on February 21, 2010 at 1:18 am JB

    You have a trivial <– scratch that.

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  151. on February 21, 2010 at 2:10 am play station x

    MRA Jack

    The bottom line is that each and every one of us is personally responsible for our experiences in life. If the law is on your side or not; doesn’t really matter. The only question is, are YOU on your side. Seems like a stupid question, but if you really think about it…..

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  152. on February 21, 2010 at 2:24 am Mish

    Well there B.J. you’re quite the therapist. Just because you watched “Goodwill hunting” doesn’t mean you can dissect someone after 2 forum posts. How bout them apples deusche bag. btw – I take the bar in in 5 days since relocating back home after law school. I just moved to a town where i know no one so socially its more difficult than I am used too. 7 days from now the bar will be done and I will be job hunting. I am trying not to go out and meet girls at the bar, because I did that last summer was emotionally fucked up from the last gf so turned into a whore to overcompensate. Yes bad breakups fuck me up. DO I need therapy? No, but sometimes in my insecurity I fuck alot of girls. I’m not happy about it and I dislike myself for it. I don’t like cheap whores and think women who do that have issues. I would argue I do it when I have issues, as do many men. If you aspire to do what I do when I admit to being insecure and fucked up than what does that say about you?

    how do I say this while being humble… My tits are bigger then most girls, and I have reputation of being a great fuck (although not with the last gf). I get used. I’ve started two internet businesses and live on one the most unique places in the country, and now I’m a lawyer, so I have to worry about gold/status diggers as well. Have I used all these facts to get laid? Of course, but I’m not proud of it. The work I’m putting in is based around the fact that I am trying to find someone that while liking my god, and gym given assets thinks that I’m a pretty cool guy. Not sure what work you’re really talking about meeting women has never been work. The only work I have to do is remember to not be an emotional pus once I start either banging a girl or liking them.

    Not sure why I’m explaining myself. I sorta have an urge to bitch slap you. sry I’m being trivial now.

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  153. on February 21, 2010 at 4:26 am erelah@israel

    lol i am in age 25 and i broke up 3 serious long relationships. and really the only reason was-guys just did not fulfilling my needs)) and being through pretty different experiences i can say what is important – intellectual understanding, good sex and financial stability. lack of one of those brings to the end of relationship.

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  154. on February 21, 2010 at 4:36 am Anonymous

    THIS GUY IS A JOKE!

    I love it. He’s all about having a life not defined by a woman yet writes an obsessive blog about relationships. He talks about relationships more than any unmarried 35 year old woman I’ve ever met.

    The dudes I know like this, the type who are obsessed with having power over their gf and women they date are BETAS at work and in public life, when it comes to having actual power.

    Man, this guy is such a classic middle-class douche bag. In 20 years, when he’s an unemployed prick, the midlife crisis he experiences is going to supply the best laugh for all the people who had to actually TALK to this guy daily.

    The only guys bent on controlling women this way are the type who are nobodies in public life. They’re happy with their mediocre income as long as they get to exercise an artificial power trip in their little “castle.”

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  155. on February 21, 2010 at 6:16 am Linkage is Good for You: Flush the Burning Out of Your Eyes Edition | In Mala Fide

    […] Roissy – “Giving Up On a Relationship” […]

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  156. on February 21, 2010 at 8:43 am Anonymous

    Alpha vs. Beta on National Review’s Phi Beta Cons blog:

    “The Hookup Culture,” by David French,
    http://phibetacons.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmUzZGQ5ZTNhOWE1ZWMzNWViZmQ0ZjhiZmJiMjFiZjY=

    “We’re not raising sons to storm Omaha Beach. We’re raising them to. . . what? Have any higher purpose? Any higher calling? And if not, is it any wonder that women aren’t finding them attractive — as “nice” and otherwise accomplished as they might be?”

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  157. on February 21, 2010 at 11:14 am Puma

    I love angry Womyn’s Studies majors.

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  158. on February 21, 2010 at 11:28 am Jack Burton

    Mish,

    She fucked a famous dude (read Roissy’s Anthony Kiedis post), brags about how much dick she can get, and you’re “wondering” if she’s a whore? More like wishful thinking (cf. Catholicism, sorry to say). Enjoy the ride, but don’t get played.

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  159. on February 21, 2010 at 11:56 am MarkD

    David Brooks is giving advice on how to be a man? That’s like me giving advice on how to apply makeup.

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  160. on February 21, 2010 at 12:19 pm Black Flag

    Whatever,

    That’s a good question. I think it would have depended solely on him. In fact, the more I consider the situation in its entirety, the more blindingly obviously it becomes. I’m such a primitive little thing. If the knowledge weren’t so liberating I’d be absolutely mortified.

    You see, it’s the cheating that’s always puzzled me the most. It was so out of character. I’d always considered loyalty to be my best virtue–prided myself on it in fact. So why make the sacrifices necessary to be faithful to every trivial boyfriend I ever had and then repeatedly betray the only one I ever really loved? And such an odd sort of cheating it was. I can’t even even claim the excuse of pleasure, for there was none. And what sort of cheater rushes home to immediately report herself? Isn’t that sort of thing supposed to be done covertly–sneaking about and constructing an elaborate tissue of lies to evade detection?

    I’ve spent vast sums and countless hours trying to unravel my tortuous logic in the matter. It’s quite amusing really. I should’ve gone to a vet instead. I dare say he could have cleared the matter up in about five minutes:

    I found my mate to be insufficiently dominant, and it was eating away at my feelings for him. So to revive my flagging love I need to provoke him into a substantial display of dominance. I’d like to think I employed somewhat more subtle tactics before I decided to go straight for his throat, but there it is. I challenged him in the most aggressive way I possibly could. He needed to meet it with teeth and claws, instead he showed me belly.

    Because neither of us understood what it was really about (displaced drug addiction, what rot), the problem could not be solved. Had I simply told him I required much, much rougher handling in order to be happy with him I don’t doubt he would have set aside his distaste for that sort of thing and managed it.

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  161. on February 21, 2010 at 12:21 pm joe

    http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/arizona-teacher-adds-etiquette-to-lessons/19355240?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Farizona-teacher-adds-etiquette-to-lessons%2F19355240

    check out what a school is teaching

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  162. on February 21, 2010 at 12:45 pm Mish

    Jack – Yeah once I read what I wrote I already figured it out. The famous thing doesn’t bother me too much b/c they were pretty serious for a few years. More than likely he got tired of her and moved on/her looks started to slip. She’s still really hot 9ish when dressed up, but shes 25 and looks it. I now realize she might be trying to slow down bc she sees that she isn’t what she was at 18.

    The thing that I haven’t been able to ignore is she got hammered by the end of the date and said “I can get laid whenever I want.” There is no way for me to put subjective spin on that so that I can rationalize/trick myself into thinking she isn’t anything more than what she seems.

    The course is clear for me now. I tried to trick myself to think otherwise. Once I have another target I’ll bring her out where I know target will be. I’ll ignore the girl I’m with and act annoyed to the target that the date is kinda clingy. At the end of the date I’ll tell her she’s a real sweet girl but not my type. I’ll get a call 3 weeks later.

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  163. on February 21, 2010 at 12:47 pm Thansus

    Amazing story, Black Flag – I’m glad you shared it. It’s incredible how much goes on in the depths of our cognition that our consciousness isn’t privy to.

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  164. on February 21, 2010 at 1:15 pm MRA (Jack)

    Mish – Better to make her part of a harem. Sleep over once per week with or without going all the way (remember that a 9 should be able to get you off in lots of different ways). Build a friendship. She’ll go wild over you if she gets the idea that you are really careful about whom you stick it in to. And she will be better in bed to compensate for the fact you aren’t going right for intercourse.

    Now you may not be looking for more variety but the following could be part of that once per week visit to your friend:

    After establishing yourself as the man of her house (even with only once per week visiting) let her know firmly but politely that she needs to be bringing over some of her friends, at least to watch the two of you. Say it turns you on, plain and simple. Study up on CFNM. It is easy to get virgins to do that because it initially involves a fully dressed third woman just sitting and watching her friend’s boyfriend undress in front of her. With each session, the other woman (or group of women) will get more involved…lending a helping hand sort of speak.

    There is no need to dump a woman who 1) could be a good friend and 2) could gladly be a conduit to bring you other women, especially if she can provide the bed/place in a part of LA.

    The best way to break up with a woman is to ask her to provide you with extra women. The worst thing she can do is get disgusted and never talk with you again.

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  165. on February 21, 2010 at 1:45 pm xsplat

    Because neither of us understood what it was really about (displaced drug addiction, what rot), the problem could not be solved. Had I simply told him I required much, much rougher handling in order to be happy with him I don’t doubt he would have set aside his distaste for that sort of thing and managed it.

    A large change of character is required, for many of us guys, before such dominance comes naturally and with finesse. At first we can’t stand even the idea of it, and would rather just dump the girl as totally nuts, rather than deal with the drama. In the end there is no need for a shit test to begin with, as we regularly give the girl all sorts of pre-emptive drama, especially through teasing, role play, various small commands throughout the day, and rough sex.

    For many guys the character transformation is slow and takes years. And change is growth, and growth is pain, so the transformation won’t likely go smoothly and will likely come at great expense. The end of innocence.

    If you want to speed it up, date girls who game men, and learn to see through their tricks and use those tricks against them and make them love you. You’ll wind up a dominant male.

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  166. on February 21, 2010 at 1:51 pm xsplat

    The high risk girl who requires rough treatment is often shunned by the family man. But the surprising counter intuitive twist is that no one will fall harder than the slut who no one was previously able to tame. In that one package you’ll fine a super high libido girl, overwhelmed by her need to be submissive, and unable to control her emotional impulses. A total slave just begging to be made. You’ll be able to keep her horny nearly full time, and get regular blow jobs in taxi cabs.

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  167. on February 21, 2010 at 1:54 pm Joey Giraud

    Black Flag, your story just screams true to my ears. Like your ex, I’ve missed the signs that a woman wanted dominance from me and won her scorn as a result. But I would ask you to have a bit of sympathy as most of us less selfish men who’ve been indoctrinated in modern feminism. We been taught that dominant behaviour is the worst thing we can do. That’s why I’m thanking Roissy and T Raw for making such a strong and logical case to the opposite. I feel like I’ve cleared a truckload of nonsense from my brain, all in the last 3 months!

    ( keeping in mind that dominance ain’t abuse, and a little goes a long way with a prouder woman. )

    Mish:“No, but sometimes in my insecurity I fuck alot of girls… I’m not happy about it and I dislike myself for it. I don’t like cheap whores and think women who do that have issues. I would argue I do it when I have issues, as do many men.”

    I understand; my life is a bit of a mess right now and I’m realizing that I probably need to have sex with any possible .. thing .. that comes along, the kind I’ve been saying no to in the last few months. For me that means a blues bar fly or some mangy psycho groupie. About all I can manage until I get more of my shit together ( or tighten my game, to use PUA lingo ) Any old sex will help, costs be damned.

    I guess I need to check that all the gear is still working 🙂

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  168. on February 21, 2010 at 1:58 pm MRA (Jack)

    Having said that, my problem stated earlier this past week in this thread or the other, was in how NOT to give up on a relationship when you’re in the doghouse and/or she is not answering the phone and telling you its over by text or email. I noted that I lost a 21-9 out of my harem recruitment program because I had stupidly written another woman’s name in the greeting of a text message to her. Roissy notes the woman most likely to leave a harem (or harem recruitment program) when she learns of its existence is the hottest of the younger members…because they have more opportunity.

    Here is how I saved the relationship: First of all, the man does have to try to win a woman back if she goes all huffy. Feminists with their discussion of stalkers and restraining orders have made this a very dangerous thing to do in the USA (a man trying to save a relationship), but women really do want you to prove you need them by going the extra mile to win them back.

    I wrote a lot of texts (she would not answer the phone) using a combo of alpha and beta language. Alpha language was along the lines of “It is weak for a woman not to stand up to a man verbally on the phone and discuss issues like an adult”. Beta language was like “I was looking for a wife and you were so sweet and lovable and now this is a total nightmare for me that you’re a mean person”.

    She would answer 1 text to every 5 of mine, usually along the lines of “You keep guessing about things which is ridiculous” and make some other cryptic statement that would get me going again.

    Finally this morning I got a text at 9AM in a dialect of her language that held the clue to saving everything…if I could only translate the text. The clue was a sort of “climbing down” maneuver for her. She provided the magic words “how dare you say I have complexes, it is you who doesn’t care about building relationships”.

    It took 2 hours of back and forth text arguing before I realized the full translation (from her dialect) and meaning of that sentence. She wanted a relationship after all (she had been saying it was all over and she’d never been interested ). I went straight to beta language at that point (which is what was called for) and my last text was at Noon saying “It is unfortunate that I still care so much about you because I was the happiest man alive when we went for walks hand in hand, Please come back to me”.

    One and a half hours later I got a phone call. It was her. We did not argue. That last text had caused the whole problem to be gone with the wind. The conversation went straight into baby talk.

    Now my biggest problem is how to have this woman over next weekend when my girlfriend will be home from college. If I don’t get a second apartment, I could have double trouble fast. 😦

    Lesson to be Learned: Learning how to Save Relationships is probably more important than Giving Up On Them. Since the best looking are most likely to reject you with the idea they can find the perfect man to love only them, learn how to keep them when they get huffy and refuse to be part of a harem.

    More lessons: Don’t assume a really young woman is rejecting you because of your age, she is doing so more because her age makes her powerful and there is another reason. Don’t EVER get distracted in writing a text and put the wrong womans name in the greeting (noting that women love to see their names in text greetings – best to move is to quickly adopt a pet name like Funny). Mix alpha and beta language when you have to grovel and, yes, if you have the alpha cred, your having groveled for the huffy 21 year old will make her adore you more when you make up.

    I should write a book called “Grovelling Like a Man”. It is a fine art. You have to establish the alpha cred and mix alpha language with the otherwise believable “I would give anything to be walking with you hand in hand again” attempt to get a woman back. For instance, the alpha stuff in the beta plea included “I had really wanted to take you to the Mediterranean on vacation in March”.

    They see the man trying to overcome the doghouse situation they set up along the same lines as a man fighting a lion or a bear for her. They show this a lot in films. I hate watching this stuff, but unfortunately women see the man not fighting at all as beta cowardice or, worse, they see you as an alpha harem owner who doesn’t care about them.

    I am sure some here have experienced the opposite, but I can say my having fought for her has helped me hopefully graduate her from the recruitment program.

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  169. on February 21, 2010 at 2:09 pm MRA (Jack)

    The good news is that a man automatically has the alpha cred when he tries to win a woman back who is trying to end the relationship because of other women. He can use a lot of beta language and get away with it. It is probably necessary to do so.

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  170. on February 21, 2010 at 2:14 pm Joey Giraud

    And Black Flag, for a woman who writes as well as you do ( sure sign of high IQ, ) to be able to say “I’m such a primitive little thing.” is breath-takingly admirable. I’ve just come to accept that I really am a “typical” man after all, not some super-enlightened sensitive guy ( blech! ) and deep down would love to have sex with N women a day, not that I’m gunning to do so. ( or could anymore )

    You’re absolutely right about this “cynical” wisdom being liberating. I feel free as a bird.

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  171. on February 21, 2010 at 2:29 pm Keith

    Black Flag, that is so fucking lame. Yeah, as long as a chick agrees with losers like Roissy and his gang of he-shes, everybody kisses her ass. Not me. I’m just too fucking alpha for this crowd.

    Black Flag, he was just too good for you. You’re not fit for a real relationship, and he was. He’s better off without a simpering little girl who needs to be “dominated.” He’ll end up with a grownup woman, and he’ll be much happier without you. End of fuckin’ story. Now get out of here, stop hanging out with the mental 8th-graders who populate this hole on the internet, grow the fuck up, and maybe someday you’ll be fit for a relationship.

    Peace.

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  172. on February 21, 2010 at 2:55 pm Anonymous

    xsplat: “If you want to speed it up, date girls who game men, and learn to see through their tricks and use those tricks against them and make them love you. You’ll wind up a dominant male.”

    I.e., “Bitch, get back in the kitchen and make me some pie!” (special thanks to Eric Cartman).

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  173. on February 21, 2010 at 3:09 pm xsplat

    I.e., “Bitch, get back in the kitchen and make me some pie!” (special thanks to Eric Cartman).

    It’s amazing that the attitude of telling your woman what to do, simple commands such as “go make me some carrot juice”, has come to be seen as mistreatment.

    It’s amazing that us men have to learn how to command women.

    Does your dog want to be a yappy little bitch, barking every time a car goes by, refusing to sit when told, and unable to heel? Or does it want to be trained? It’s amazing that in this day and age of mandatory education, near univeral employment, and common state enforced marriage contracts, that people have lost track of how to train and manage a woman to be subservient. That the very idea is seen as wrong.

    My girl gets cranky when I try to take my own shoes off. She cherishes the symbolic acts of subservience. She gets cranky if I say “please go make me carrot juice”, and prefers the dominant voice. She thrills when I use my feet to kick her off the bed to go do some chore. This is not because she has some weird kink, or some odd personality trait. It’s not Stockholm syndrome. It’s a woman who’se slowly become aware of and has given into the pleasure she receives from being subservient in her role in the love/sex relationship. She was tamed.

    Its amazing that this now seems counter cultural or anti pc or mysogynist or what have you. It’s natural, it’s what women want, it’s what works. Its sustainable. Its erotic. Its both sustainable AND erotic. Tell me any other relationship form that is. All others morph into companionate relationships based on mutual interest where eroticism is a sideline, if present at all.

    It’s perfectly natural to tell your woman to do stuff, and to expect it, and to have her thrilled to do it. How else do people show gratitude and love? By being equal? That’s just the insanity of our feminized age to even conceive of that.

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  174. on February 21, 2010 at 3:14 pm Pupu

    Pupu feels like Toyota today — something is interfering with her functioning. How nice it would be to cut all the wires of feeling and emotions, and simply be a good machine.

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  175. on February 21, 2010 at 6:27 pm play station x

    Pupu

    How nice it would be to cut all the wires of feeling and emotions, and simply be a good machine

    Have you tried anti-depressants?

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  176. on February 21, 2010 at 7:14 pm Mish

    xsplat – dude do you really want to be with a girl that likes/needs to be dominated like that? Inherently I would agree most women like it to a greater extent than society deems acceptable, but if its a constant thing then thats just sick.

    It also depends on what type of relationship you want. I generally like girls who are smarter than I am and in the long run seek more of an equal type relationship then a father daughter type one, not that their is anything wrong with that. I know many marragies where the spousal age is significantly different – its just not for me.

    I mean isn’t a good girl for you one thats cool to hang around, helps make you a better person all the while fucking your brains out? Regardless of the girl she does need some shows of dominance, but if its a constant thing then their are issues.

    woman feels fulfilled when she is taming a man. If you’re a pus a girl can’t be satisfied, and if you turn into a bitch to quickly she’ll check out emotionally and from there who knows. Thats why when girls sense that you’re trying real hard they subconsciously realize how easy you will be to tame and won’t bother with you. Shows of dominance remind them of the alpha they are with and all the fulfilling work that needs to be done. When girls smell your desperation they are really smelling your willingness to be subservient which is not what a strong female wants.

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  177. on February 21, 2010 at 7:29 pm Fuck Kant

    I stopped reading about half way through. Considering everyone seemed to understand Black Flag and Rum’s comments, I’d like to add my perspective.

    I don’t believe this to be a gender specific phenomenon, but an alpha/beta one. What I mean is, while men are generally more alpha, and women are generally more beta, those are just generalizations. The key idea here is what is an alpha and what is a beta in human beings.

    To answer that we have to look at the animal kingdom. What do alphas in nature do? Lead, protect, dominate, and adapt. What do betas do? Follow, submit, and do the easily repeatable tasks (hunting for female lions for instance). But both work for one purpose, survival.

    Humans are the same, but what is our means of survival. Our brain. That is our rational mind, functioning on our attained knowledge to determine the best action to keep us alive. Thus, physical size is no longer the end all, be all of selection. We have multiple facets of our minds that we must show potential mates if they are to trust us with their lives. Without doing so, they will see you as incongruent. Take the guy blabbering about his piano. Yes, that’s a great way to show your creativity. But as someone else pointed out, your not educated, your poor (not some random consequence, a direct consequence of your action), and with the time frames you were giving (years to get laid, really?) you’ve not had much real success (I don’t mean fucking a groupie either).

    No, we have to work to show our knowledge on a huge number of topics: economics, politics, psycology, philosphy, social games/dynamic, metaphysical knowledge, physics, and on and on and on. This is our only way of displaying our alpha, you can’t look at us and know it. And the other person must use their rational mind to figure you out.

    So what specifically do alphas do? They set frames. What do betas do? They test others frames. How? By attempting to suck the alpha into a new frame they know is false. We all have elements of both in us, but the amount of each will determine whether we spend time in our own understood reality or someone else’s. And if you act rationally, that will depend on whether you trust the alpha framer’s intent and his knowledge.

    But how does this explain the betas hatred of the alpha? Because he failed. He got sucked into a false frame. And if “I” could do that, how can “I” trust him to not be sucked into someone elses fake frame and end up fucking “me” over. Sorry Black Flag, he wasn’t alpha enough for you. Period. I guarantee you were subconsciously signaling him that you were no longer buying his frame and that he needed to do something more, but you (also probably subconsciously) faked that everything was fine in an attempt to test him. And he failed. He did not recognize the reality of the situation.

    That said the level of game each player possesses (and it sounds like you both had quite a bit, though his was probably greatly subconscious which lead to is downfall) will greatly determine the “heartache” when it all falls down. Because that is what happens. Your reality crashes around you and your skill determines your investment in it and then you have to start over.

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  178. on February 21, 2010 at 7:34 pm ephebophile

    @MRA (Jack)

    The best way to break up with a woman is to ask her to provide you with extra women. The worst thing she can do is get disgusted and never talk with you again.

    It depends on how crazy she is. This sends most packing, but some can’t take it and cave. This is great slave in training.

    Keep moving the goal post on her, and she will ante up… with the continuing investment on her part the harder it will be for her to walk away. Its the best form of slavery because the chains are created by her sick need to keep you.

    Demand ever increasing outrageous things. You make her a willing participant her because body is the hostage for her mind.

    Start with her bringing a random girl, then escalate.

    Make her rent a hotel room (with her money), and have her call her best friend over to it. Shag her best friend, and make your girl listen over a speaker phone, handcuffed at home. I’ll bet a bejamin she will be rub’n the nub’n like a freak.

    Up the ante..

    Make her bring her sister over, and throw then throw your girl in the bedroom closet it. Let her hear the screaming OMGs of her sister, from the darkness.

    Escalate…

    If her mom is a Milf, make her hold a camcorder while you bang mom.

    Escalate…

    Get her Best friend, &/or sister to pee on her and otherwise dominate-humiliate her with direct verbal commands to them.

    They will love the power dynamics of being submissive while doing it. It may require you to lead with a first run on her before they can be ordered.

    Escalate…

    Sodomize her with a Dalmatian or other K9. After 40 times…

    Escalate…

    Invite her best friend, her sister and her mom to watch a K9 session. (they will be easy to translate into slaves shortly after) Remember the efficacy of alcohol as a social lubricant in this particular setting.

    You are “the One” because no one else could make her sell her soul.

    This is the path to hell… but it requires a man of grit.

    This is how winning is done.

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  179. on February 21, 2010 at 7:51 pm Pupu

    play station x:

    “Have you tried anti-depressants?”

    Never. But for awhile today, Pupu felt like giving whatever there is a try.

    [editor: have you tried one of my patented devilish smiles? 🙂 ]

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  180. on February 21, 2010 at 7:57 pm wexler

    Ok, you want to get laid? Learn music. Guitar or keyboards, your choice. – anonmusic

    you’re wrong. i play circles around these guys … that ain’t the thing.

    i’ll repost some of what Tupac wrote.

    women […] want a “type”. It doesn’t matter whether that type is “motorcycle rider” or “guido douchebag” or “hipster scenester”, they just want a type that allows them to fantasize about all the movies they’ve seen. And the guys don’t even have to be good looking or have Game! As Adam put it, what these women are doing is acting like casting agents, in effect, and auditioning men to fill the role in their “fabulous” life

    you don’t have to have talent, you just have to look and act as if you do. women can’t tell the difference. they don’t actually have taste. look at the men the choose!

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  181. on February 21, 2010 at 8:01 pm wexler

    anonmusic –

    i like what you’re saying about music, though.

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  182. on February 21, 2010 at 8:02 pm xsplat

    Mish

    dude do you really want to be with a girl that likes/needs to be dominated like that?

    Yes

    Inherently I would agree most women like it to a greater extent than society deems acceptable, but if its a constant thing then thats just sick.

    Says you. For no reason. Not even one that you make up – admit it – you have no reason to say that. You’ve been brainwashed, and don’t want to fix your sick brainwashing.

    It also depends on what type of relationship you want. I generally like girls who are smarter than I am and in the long run seek more of an equal type relationship then a father daughter type one, not that their is anything wrong with that.

    Yes you are. You said it was sick.

    I know many marragies where the spousal age is significantly different – its just not for me.

    My girlfriend is 17 years younger. It’s for me. Actually, at 27 she’s getting up there in years. The average age of girls I date has remained at about 24 for some time now.

    You’ve got a whole heap of cultural baggage. Daddy issues?! Equality? Do i really want that? Sick?

    Where did you pick all that stuff up – do you even know?

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  183. on February 21, 2010 at 8:03 pm Fuck Kant

    @Black Flag

    If you don’t mind doing an experiment that might fuck with your emotions a bit and ignite a little positive introspection, listen to Fear by Drake and see how it makes you feel and try to figure out why.

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  184. on February 21, 2010 at 8:16 pm xsplat

    Mish, the way I see it, equality is an unwanted impossibility. In any situation one person tends to be the authority, and that’s a good thing. Equality gets in the way of effective action – too many cooks. Authority is not a pathology, it’s a natural outcome of physical laws. Authority is only pathological when it’s overbearing. An authentic authority deserves respect and gets the respect they deserve. Take a look at eastern cultures and you’ll see that this notion of being paternalistic and the patriarchy is not seen as negative, any more than being maternalistic and the matriarchy is seen as negative. They respect the natural authority of their elders.

    As an experienced and intelligent male, my authority is deserved, and I excercise it. I run my household. I chose mates that fit in with how I run my household. They contribute, and I make sure they contribute.

    I sneer at your notion of equality. I sneer because it’s based on fantastical notions that can not be supported in the real world. Your notions simply do not work. Too many cooks do not a relationship make.

    If you want a smart peer for a mate, good on you. If you don’t want to be the boss of your household, fine. But there will be a boss. It may as well be who deserves it most.

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  185. on February 21, 2010 at 8:20 pm Keith

    “For example, a man who just met a babe ranked 9 is going to want to fuck her nonstop and dream of slaving away to give her the world.”

    Yes on fucking her nonstop and no on slaving away. Character buys slaving away. Hotness only buys fucking.

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  186. on February 21, 2010 at 8:31 pm Fuck Kant

    Good post xsplat.

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  187. on February 21, 2010 at 9:02 pm Mish

    Xsplat – kinda had a hard figuring out what insults were intended for me and which were general hypothetical that you were challenging, but some of it I just don’t get.

    “Yes you are, you said it was sick” = what are you referring to?

    I’ll address what I can understand.

    Cultural baggage: I hope so. I hope I bring the right cultural baggage. I refuse to believe I am merely a monkey, and the girls and people I deal with only think and work on an animal level. Sorry Western Cultures 2000-4000 odd years of existence have proven that I am more than just my urges as are females. Does understanding how a female (and males) brain work help – of fucking course, buts its not the whole picture.

    Daddy Issues? – meaning me? Don’t have any. Meaning girls – if you’re with a girl that constantly needs to be dominated and is dating a guy that finds the need to constantly date girls that need dominating then it sounds you know a hell of a lot more about daddy issues than I ever hope to.

    Sick – says me. Maybe not sick. Maybe you just enjoy constantly dominating over women significantly younger than you. I don’t enjoy that. I’m a light hearted person constantly dominating over someone sounds tiresome and I would imagine it would effect my personality in ways I can’t begin to understand. If I were to guess I would imagine someone that enjoys living like that (in a constant state of proving manhood through domintating) was either dominated himself (early childhood), learned that behavior from their father, or was dominated in a previous relationship making your current behavior somewhat retaliatory.

    Equality – I have no idea what you want. If you enjoy dominating young girls so much I would assume your definition of equality isn’t for you. While I agree with what I can imagine many of your views on feminism are – becareful not to throw out the baby with the bath water. Equality isn’t bad necessarily, it can be bad based on what people think it entails. You obviously think it demasculates you but thats just because you’re accepting a feminists understanding of the term. Looking at male/female relationships and applying the term equlaity is silly. Both people have different roles to play – both are equally important to the happiness of the other and both people should be equally happy. If you do your job right she’ll be happy, and if she does hers right you in turn.

    No I didn’t say large differences in age was sick. I said constantly dominating was sick. From what little I know I can imagine a girl that dates up in age so much would need to be treated differently than someone who you would consider you equal. I really have no idea. I went on a date with a 19 yr old a few months ago (me 27) and while she was very physically attractive her conversations were about punk music and how fucked up she got. I had no desire to have sex with her and never called her again. Maybe I’m sick if looks aren’t enough for me.

    Lastly – don’t you want to be around people you respect? How much respect for a girl can you have if she needs to be constantly dominated? Doesn’t sound like someone I could respect. But I guess thats just me, and I guess we just have different things we’re looking for.

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  188. on February 21, 2010 at 9:10 pm Mish

    I’m apparently awaiting moderation – but I wrote that without seeing your 816 post.

    I completely agree with your head of household analysis – every bit of it. I never intended to imply that I thought otherwise. Not sure what I said to make you think I disagreed with the head of household concept. Done properly its a dance with the male leading, done incorrectly can lead to trouble.

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  189. on February 21, 2010 at 9:12 pm Puma

    Femisting.com’s owner Jessica Valenti has an op-ed in the Washington Post today:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/19/AR2010021902049.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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  190. on February 21, 2010 at 9:52 pm Puma

    New York Times’ Room for Debate series covers our favorite topic tomorrow (Monday) … “How will Women Find Good Husbands Now That They Are the Higher Earner?”….

    http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/for-women-redefining-marriage-material/

    Feel free to join the debate.

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  191. on February 21, 2010 at 10:10 pm Caligula

    Destigmatisation of premarital sex in figures.

    http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/4649

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  192. on February 21, 2010 at 10:27 pm Fuck Kant

    If someone reads that entire article and could post a synops. that’d be great.

    I hope they get into feminism as a cause. I believe it leaves low income women with all of the self-hate needed to believe it, and none of the irrational arrogance to compensate for it because they don’t have intelligent, immoral mothers and other female figures to rationalize it all for them.

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  193. on February 21, 2010 at 10:33 pm collegeboy

    xsplat, fam, wheres your blog?

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  194. on February 21, 2010 at 10:40 pm xsplat

    Mish, I guess I was overplaying your stated distaste for a heavy power imbalance, and playing off of that with my usual polemic. I’ve grown a fondness for power imbalance, and find it now a cause for celebration and joy. A method of communion.

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  195. on February 21, 2010 at 10:45 pm xsplat

    And I’ve also mentioned that the early twenties are a great time for a man to learn from older women. Nothing wrong with having our mentors also be women, or having them be in positions of dominance at times. Most of us require appreticeship under several skilled masters to learn well. Older women are a perfect match for younger men – but after a point, it just doesn’t work that way anymore. The man does become the father figure, the dominant figure. At least that’s how it worked for me.

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  196. on February 21, 2010 at 10:48 pm ephebophile

    @xsplat

    Mish, the way I see it, equality is an unwanted impossibility.

    As accurately observed in George Orwell’s “Animal Farm”:
    Some are “More Equal” then others.

    Some interesting “equality comments” were made in the
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/more-thoughts-on-the-poon-commandments/
    thread.

    I.
    S.A.M. said:

    There is no such creature as equality, never has, never will be. There will always be someone higher and someone lower. In the US we have the taxman to answer to, don’t pay him, and he will take your family, home and possessions and jail you. Drive too fast, and you will get a ticket. Miss too many days at work, your master gives you a pink slip.

    Obedience is not optional, its required. The question remains “who is the lead dance partner and who is the follower?”

    II.
    Animus is onto something here:

    “Almost everyone who strives for equality is lying either sub-consciously or consciously. Their perception of reality is naturally self-skewed, so what they see as ‘equal’ is really not.”

    III.
    Another from S.A.M. who was dressing down a feminist…

    “You do Seek Power over Men. Its a lie to say otherwise. Men will Rule, or Women will Rule. Power is like a Gun, only one person can use it at a time.”

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  197. on February 21, 2010 at 10:49 pm Anonymous

    Puma,

    Size (of the wallet) matters, but that’s it… cuckold provider, disposable stud toy-boys. “Nice guys are for raisin’ babies, bab boys are for makin’ ’em.”

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  198. on February 21, 2010 at 10:50 pm Leif

    “If you don’t like tofu AND you fart in bed AND you voted for Ron Paul…”

    Ha, that’s 3 check-marks for me. Ron Paul is my homeboy. You mess with Ron and you mess with me!

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  199. on February 21, 2010 at 10:57 pm ephebophile

    @xsplat

    I have comment directed to you hung in comment mod limbo…
    feel free to scroll back up.

    It was posted 3 minutes after your comment that ended with

    “The man does become the father figure, the dominant figure. At least that’s how it worked for me.”

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  200. on February 21, 2010 at 11:05 pm anonmusic

    Jeeze Louise, is this what it’s come to

    Someone up above asked:

    “anonmusic, artistic ability is the only valid approach, and all else is worthless?”

    Uh, friend, where did I ever mention”artistic ability”? Or where did I say, “all else is worthless”? I just suggested playing music was a better bet than what seems to be a hall-of-mirrors. And all this carrying on about women you don’t even like. Jesus.

    “You got your ass kicked, weaseled your way through music, and you’re proud?”

    Guy, you can’t “weasel” as a musician. It takes about a decade of *hard work* to even take a run at it. You can either do it or get beer bottles thrown at you. My friend, you need to get out more.

    “If anyone hassles you, the bouncers protect you?”

    Where do I begin? Lemme ask you: do you do your own dental work? No, you get a dentist. You’ve probably never seen a bar fight, so let me explain: they last about 5 seconds, and someone gets a broken hand. I can’t afford a broken hand.

    Oddly, when I was in Japan in the early 80s I studied judo with a guy who happened to own the bar I was playing at. When I mentioned that I imagined that being a judo expert like him must make it easy to handle the rowdy customers he looked at me like I was crazy. It dawned on me that the only place I saw violence in a bar was here in the good ole USA.

    “You don’t have a dime, and you “don’t care?” ”

    Nope, I don’t. This makes the average former-football-star now-cube-dweller insane. Never said I never made money, just that I don’t have it. ’cause I spend it as fast as it comes in. Sometimes that’s fast, sometimes not. Sometimes I have it, sometimes not. I don’t worry too much about it. Musicians die in the harness. We accept our fate.

    “You don’t give a crap about what it means “to be a man?” ”

    Never said that friend, just don’t understand the whining about it.

    Example: when I was a boy the jocks tried to convince me I was on the wrong course by beating me down on a fairly regular basis. My answer was: never quit. Which I never did. Your answer, apparently would have been: give up. Which I imagine you did. But I’ve never thought about it much.

    I persevered, that’s all. When most of the heroes were thinking about the prom and jacking off I was playing in a roadhouse outside Pittsburgh that wasn’t much more than the front room of a brothel. I was 16, I quit school, and I did 2 or three sets a day with a cover band, 4 days a week. Did it for 2 years, and then spent 2 years on the road with a C&W band. This was the early ’70s. It didn’t pay much, but I did more living in a month than most men do in a lifetime. So I think I made the right choice. Could have quite at 20 and I would still have a smile on my face.

    So if I had to think about being “a man”, I’d say I followed the right course. I could be wrong, of course. I’m relatively old, I don’t fret much.

    “Well, sir, that all may be, but at least no one will mistake you for a guitar-tickling troubadour. I raise a glass in and to your honor. May we all grow up to be like you. You fox, you.”

    I should be easier on guitarists, but jesus they can get under your skin. I’ve sat on the stand pounding out rhythm while they solo – you can go have a smoke, take a piss, drink a beer, get a bet down, watch the last quarter of a Packers game and they’ll still be going. What the hell, they’re artists I suppose.

    Actually, the thing about guitarists is this: it is too easy to grow a whispy little beard and plunk away and think you can play. You can’t.

    Here’s a tip, friend: sarcasm=anger. No one likes an angry man. Especially women. And you think you are sarcastic because you are angry. No, you are angry because you are sarcastic. Drop the sarcasm and enjoy life.

    Maybe this doesn’t make much sense, I’m just waking up. Peace, and all.

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  201. on February 21, 2010 at 11:33 pm Mish

    I had a post that was moderated out. I really like this site, but bc of that I’m gone.

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  202. on February 22, 2010 at 1:21 am Puma

    @Anonymous

    I thought The Stork brought the babies.

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  203. on February 22, 2010 at 1:38 am Puma

    Hey Mish chill dude. Posts that have URL’s automatically get stuck in the filters. Roissy has to go in and manually fish them out, and he’s probably been distracted lately.

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  204. on February 22, 2010 at 1:55 am Puma

    Oh and Mish – Are you that Economist Mish that writes about the Fed, the Economy, and Gold, and stuff?

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  205. on February 22, 2010 at 2:23 am play station x

    Pupu

    There’s a lot of stuff out there that would not be good for Pupu. Pupu must be good to herself.

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  206. on February 22, 2010 at 2:57 am xsplat

    Collegeboy, if you click on my avatar you’ll go to my blog. I’ve pretty much abandoned it of late. Sometimes I think to gather and edit and re-post some of my comments here, but the motivation isn’t there. This site gives me a large enough audience without the effort of any editing or organization – I can just post as fast as I can type, without ever as much as a glance at what I type before hitting the post button.

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  207. on February 22, 2010 at 3:11 am play station x

    anonmusic

    Here’s a tip, friend: sarcasm=anger. No one likes an angry man. Especially women. And you think you are sarcastic because you are angry. No, you are angry because you are sarcastic. Drop the sarcasm and enjoy life.

    Oh please. Real hetero women like real hetero men and sometimes real men get angry. Emphasis on REAL. Anger is a natural human emotion.

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  208. on February 22, 2010 at 3:35 am xsplat

    Mish – a lot of comments get stuck in moderation on this site. It’s a major piss off. I’m pretty sure that there are alternate wordpress plugins that handle moderation differently. but that require the site to be hosted on a private domain. It’s a matter of registering the domain, installing wordpress on it, backing up the files from this website and uploading those onto the new domain. It would make financial sense to have greater control over the site as well.

    You said

    Cultural baggage: I hope so. I hope I bring the right cultural baggage. I refuse to believe I am merely a monkey, and the girls and people I deal with only think and work on an animal level.

    I understand that you were responding to a post that wasn’t clear – but be careful about straw man arguments. We are primates, but we are not merely primates. We have emotions, but we are not merely emotional. We live in social hierarchies inescapably, but we don’t merely use hierchichal organization. A healthy respect for our primate nature and our inner psychological makeup is not crass or treating each other merely like monkeys. It’s starting from square one and appreciating square one – appreciating home base, no matter what masterful flights of human spirit we soar to.

    I’m reminded of a story of a genius rabbit. The rabbit had useless genius, as the genius really was superfluous and useless. The first time I read that I thought it an affront against intelligence. But then the point of the author drove home – our intelligence really is all rather useless. It’s good for a diversion. It’s good for this and that. But it doesn’t fundamentally change anything. We’re smart rabbits, our hearts beat a beating in our little warren dens, and then we die. The point is our wondrous human natures that are so far above monkeys ain’t all that. It’s too easy to get trapped into heady beliefs and assume that mind play is superior to the physycality and emotionality of being. No matter where you go, there are are. The simple pleasures are the best. Silence is golden. A sunset requires no explanation.

    Our primate natures are to be celebrated. As Ken Wilber points out when talking about the hierachies of our being, we transcend and include – rather than transcend and repress. Our intelligence transcends and includes our emotional basis. It can’t exist separately and on top – the foundation is required and included and celebrated. So we game other people socially – trancend and include and celebrate. We are NOT above being primates and having sex with primates. We ARE primates, inescapably.

    When you get too heady, you get nerdy, and no one wants to fuck you – you lose elan vital, you lose libido. Your body no longer glows with a vibrant mojo, and your magnetism loses its power.

    It’s important to remain primal. Primate. Don’t piss off the gods of base nature – Pan is the man. Don’t shave those legs, don’t lose that funk – embrace your inner pan.

    If you refuse to believe that girls work on a primal nature, you refuse reality, and your primal inheritance.

    Your loss.

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  209. on February 22, 2010 at 3:52 am xsplat

    About Daddy Issues, my point is that the concept of Daddy Issues is an insane cultural artifact. The man sometimes acts paternalistically towards his mate, and the girl sometimes loves that, feels safe, and feels sexy and turned on by that. It’s not an “issue”.

    It’s a stupidity of feminist indoctrination that hates male power to think that the man being a father figure in the relationship is negative or a sign of “issues”.

    My girlfriends ALL call me Daddy. I AM Daddy. It’s a hell of a lot more healthy than this equality that you put forth as a virtue.

    Your equality is no virtue.

    You conflate equality with respect. You conflate domination with disrespect and abuse.

    You’ve got it back asswards. Through domination and authority true respect is earned and given. Through equality no respect is earned or given.

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  210. on February 22, 2010 at 4:29 am xsplat

    Here’s a quick image that should sort out authentic authority versus pathological domination.

    Consider all the substitute teachers that you had. Which ones commanded respect and obedience?

    THAT’S how you treat women. Exactly like that.

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  211. on February 22, 2010 at 6:43 am MethuselahX

    Laura said: The balance of power definitely shifts in men’s power by late twenties, early thirties. I’m in my mid-thirties and honestly trying to look hot at my age is futile.

    Replace lost biological value with increased value in the areas of career and intellectualism. If you’re not an 8+ in these areas, figure out how to make yourself one.

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  212. on February 22, 2010 at 8:17 am The_King

    So I guess you only like to date 5s and lower one at a time. If you have multiple ltr with 8s and above the only time it gets boring is when they turn 30.

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  213. on February 22, 2010 at 8:22 am gig

    @ Mish

    Moderation here sucks. I used to comment at 4 or 5 topics every time I came here, but now every 3rd comment gets moderated

    take it easy, moderation is costing the world 60% of my wisdom.

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  214. on February 22, 2010 at 8:32 am gig

    . If you have multiple ltr with 8s and above the only time it gets boring is when they turn 30.

    what the hell is that, is this blog being overrun by poseurs now?

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  215. on February 22, 2010 at 8:44 am Anonymous

    xsplat said, “When you get too heady, you get nerdy, and no one wants to fuck you – you lose elan vital, you lose libido. Your body no longer glows with a vibrant mojo, and your magnetism loses its power.”

    Of course, smarter soldiers kill more effectively, are harder to kill themselves and withstand trauma better in war (if were talkin’ direct competition and real consequences, primally speaking) but, of course, in our no-consequence world we only want posturing, courting favor and image.

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  216. on February 22, 2010 at 9:12 am Anonymous

    you are all so full of shit that your eyes are brown

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  217. on February 22, 2010 at 9:15 am PlanetGrok

    Puma,

    I highly doubt that is the same Mish.

    Wexler, that Tupac quote is gold.

    women […] want a “type”. It doesn’t matter whether that type is “motorcycle rider” or “guido douchebag” or “hipster scenester”, they just want a type that allows them to fantasize about all the movies they’ve seen. And the guys don’t even have to be good looking or have Game! As Adam put it, what these women are doing is acting like casting agents, in effect, and auditioning men to fill the role in their “fabulous” life

    You can tell a lot about a woman by the TV they watch. Don’t get serious with women who watch soaps.

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  218. on February 22, 2010 at 10:34 am mish

    xsplat – Agree with the nerdy thing and how at our base we’re all animals.

    We keep confusing terms. When I think of Daddy Issues I think of a girl who sleeps with a guy way to fast and then is surprised that he thinks shes a whore. More along the lines of mother was abandoned by daddy then calling a guy daddy.

    I can see an age gap as making it easier to gain rightful respect from a girl, but I don’t think its necessary. If you deserve the respect you’ll get it from whatever the girls age. I guess by equality I mean someone of similar intelligence, generally at my age and education that means someone closer to my age. I enjoy intelligence and love getting into healthy debates, the smarter the girl the more this can be fulfilled. Might be a domination thing bc I like winning these debates and maybe its jsut more satisfying when they provide a challenge. Who knows.

    I think the frame you put a healthy relationship is skewed. I always go back to the dance. The man leads, at first more firmly teaching the girl where to go, but eventually she goes along without having to be told where to go. He’s most happy and she’s most happy.

    If you focus on the respect and domination part so much you miss the point of that part – to teach your partner how to dance. Society teaches us this is bad, it is not. Some partners need more leading – mostly all female partners feel fulfilled when they are properly led. I would imagine with so many male dancing partners out there (thanks feminism) females RELISH the role of being treated properly.

    * I don’t think we’re disagreeing that much, It just seems like I might be overplaying your concept of domination and respect and you’re overplaying my concept of equality.

    ** I’m not the real Mish.

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  219. on February 22, 2010 at 10:36 am mish

    ** So many BAD male dancing partners***

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  220. on February 22, 2010 at 12:10 pm Anonymous

    Anonymous said, “you are all so full of shit that your eyes are brown”

    Hmm, “deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties… “– damn, you want me to quote Jack Nicholson from A Few Good Men some more? Of course, getting REALLY primal is not what folk want (sorta the fun without the responsibilities/consequences, but what else is new?) so it’s all play-acting here. When it comes to selfish, impulsive loudmouthed “Alpha” folk who run for their lives when confronted, it gets real annoying… especially when they complain how “aggressive” you were for telling ’em to shut the f*ck up and stop bothering you.

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  221. on February 22, 2010 at 6:17 pm Black Flag

    @keith

    “Black Flag, that is so fucking lame. Yeah, as long as a chick agrees with losers like Roissy and his gang of he-shes, everybody kisses her ass. Not me. I’m just too fucking alpha for this crowd.

    Black Flag, he was just too good for you. You’re not fit for a real relationship, and he was. He’s better off without a simpering little girl who needs to be “dominated.” He’ll end up with a grownup woman, and he’ll be much happier without you. End of fuckin’ story. Now get out of here, stop hanging out with the mental 8th-graders who populate this hole on the internet, grow the fuck up, and maybe someday you’ll be fit for a relationship.”

    Nice try, puppy, but I’m a bit too far above your touch. If we ever met in person I’d flay you and make myself a new handbag.

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  222. on February 22, 2010 at 6:34 pm John Dias

    jclwatt wrote:

    “guy dumping his cheating g/f on the radio http://media.1057thepoint.com/Podcasts/1526/ChrisAndAshley.mp3“

    That radio program recording of the guy dumping his cheating girlfriend is not the first time this has happened.

    A couple years ago, there was a similar scenario on a British radio show, where a woman was found to be cheating on her boyfriend. The girl was walked-in on while she was blowing her married boss at the company Christmas party. This one was particularly brutal; the whole radio program — entitled “Danny Dumps” — is apparently built on the D.J. calling people and trashing them on behalf of their significant other.

    In this case, the D.J. called the woman and implied that he was a jeweler who wanted to deliver a ring to the boyfriend, and pretended to accidentally reveal that it was a platinum 1-carrot diamond solitaire engagement ring. The woman flipped at first, exhilerated. She even said that she wants to have babies with him. But before long, the D.J. revealed his true identity (a radio talk show host) and told her the real reason why he was calling, that the woman’s boyfriend knows all about it and that the boyfriend has dumped her, and now the “whole of Yorkshire” knows about it too.

    Listen to it here:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e0_1173614039

    Partial transcript:

    DANNY: “…It’s a bit of a shame, really actually, Angie. Because the truth is, this is a kind of a ‘bullseye’ style. This is what you could have won.”

    ANGIE: “What?”

    DANNY: “Yeah. Unfortunately, you made the mistake of giving your boss a bit of special ‘mouth-love’ in the toilets, at the Christmas party on Monday. Didn’t you?”

    ANGIE: “Whaa…”

    DANNY: And the thing is, Craig knows all about it. And so do I. My name is Danny. But I’m not from Goldsmith’s. I’m from Galaxy, by the way. Oh, and so does the whole of Yorkshire. They know everything about this. ‘Cause this is actually live on the radio!

    ANGIE: (pause)

    DANNY: “Yes! Hello? You still there?”

    ANGIE: “Whaa…”

    DANNY: “Yes… ‘Er, uh, um,’ let me finish! I’ve got a bit of a message, which is: “You’re Dumped!” The engagement ring, which he did buy — which was a 1-carat diamond and platinum solitaire — has gone back, and the money’s gone on a trip to Mexico. Craig wants you to know, ‘I hope you and your married boss will be very, very happy together,’ because Craig wants you out by Christmas Eve. Is that right, Love?”

    ANGIE: “Whaa…”

    DANNY: “Yeah. Thought as much. YOU’RE DUMPED. You’re on ‘Danny Dumps,’ you’re on Galaxy. Everyone knows, YOU’RE A DIRTY LITTLE TART. Bye!”

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  223. on February 22, 2010 at 7:42 pm Whatever

    Black Flag:

    In college she was still honorable but found politeness impossible to maintain, as the boys there were so profoundly irritating. Then, twelve years ago her nancy boyfriend de jour introduced her to a friend of his, who was the hottest guy she’d ever seen up close. She moved in with Hottie two weeks later.

    I don’t know. I’m still reflecting on it. But I’m pretty sure all he needed to do was show me the back of his hand the first time I cheated on him and I never would have left his side. I remember that the fourth or fifth time around I actually requested that he do so and he refused. It was nice of him.

    One of the reasons why you cared for your love more than your chew-toys…. err boyfriends…. is that he had a detachment from the moment that prevented him from being blown around by your very intense emotional storms. And you need that. You need someone who isn’t constantly pushed around by your emotional state.

    The problem is that he didn’t reign in your emotions when they needed to be reigned in…. and probably didn’t even think he had to/know how. You practically screamed in his face to reign you in and he didn’t.

    Fortunately, reigning women in is a skill that can be learned.

    That’s a good question. I think it would have depended solely on him. In fact, the more I consider the situation in its entirety, the more blindingly obviously it becomes. I’m such a primitive little thing. If the knowledge weren’t so liberating I’d be absolutely mortified.

    It’s failing to try that makes one a truly bad person. You tried for years. You really and truly tried.

    He should have tried harder to give you what you needed… and you should have had a better grip on yourself. Just because the emotions are there doesn’t mean you can’t have a better grip on them. But you made it as clear as you possibly could that something was WRONG and he insisted on ignoring it.

    And that’s the big problem. The really big problem with that type of guy.

    They HATE dealing the annoying details of life unless they have to. They CAN, but they don’t want to. They don’t want to A LOT. Unfortunately, your need for guidance is going to run head-long into his natural impulses here.

    To quote Eumaios:
    “My entire adult life as a swineherd has been spent in one of these congregations. ”
    and
    “They, like me, stank too much of swine.”

    Again, they believe daily life is so dirty and icky.

    (him means whoever next of that type that you have a relationship with)

    You want direction then you are going to have to give him no choice at all.

    Make him take charge. Remember, he is perfectly capable of making these decisions… he just doesn’t want to. He paid the bills because you didn’t? Well…. refuse to make decisions. Just refuse. He wants your opinion on which restaurant to go to? First, try reason. Tell him you would prefer that he chose. If he fights you, refuse to make a decision. Outright. Just look at him and say:
    “You are deciding. I have nothing to say.” Pout if you want.

    Then sit there and bask in the “I got him!” and sullen resentment your type do so well.

    Secondly, talk to him about things you believe are important. The most important thing you need to do here is summarize. Take the sixty minutes of semi-relevant talking and distill it down to twenty minutes of relevant talking. This will be hard for you but it will hook him into actually listening. Get him to engage with the day-to-day life and get him to (eventually) take charge.

    Third, get him to read The Mystery Method. The most important thing he needs to learn is negging and dealing with sh*t tests. I’m looking for better sources myself on this. Work in progress.

    Fourth, and this part will be more fun for you than the others, is try to get him to “take charge” in bed. It will help bridge the distance. Most men of this type can handle knowing that a woman wants sex a lot without branding her a slut. Some of the weaker ones can’t… but you’ll tear those apart anyway so it doesn’t matter.

    Again, Eumaois pretty much summed it up with:
    http://eumaios.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/you-look-like-an-angel/

    Which is some very good negging to.

    Finally…. this type of man REALLY needs a cave. If he goes and deals with the dirty common world for you, then you need to give him his fortress from the annoyance of the moment.

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/22/the-cave/

    And that’s quite enough for now.

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  224. on February 23, 2010 at 12:47 am Black Flag

    Whatever,

    Oh dear, that’s rather ironic. Because I did give him a cave–as a condition of my moving in with him. His place had a big master bedroom and a smaller bedroom. Previous experience with men led me to suspect that for any sort of successful shack-up I would need a grotto of my own. Someplace I could retreat to gather my wits and suppress any feelings of annoyance that might come geysering up unexpectedly. I didn’t want him to ever sense he got on my nerves occasionally. I’d only known him for two weeks at that point, but I no matter how in love I was at the time, it was only prudent to assume history would eventually repeat itself, and I wanted everything to workout with us.

    He was furious, of course, because the grotto was the master bedroom–where our bed was. I suppose he had visions of himself sleeping on the couch at night. Naturally I would never permit that. He was only ever expelled during the day, and most assuredly never on the cusp of any sort of romantic interlude. It would be impossible to find him annoying at such a time–glorious man that he was.

    But he did like to hang out in there: polishing his guns, fussing with paperwork, and doing all his MBA stuff. So I guess we both had our “fortress from the annoyance of the moment.”

    But this: “whoever next of that type that you have a relationship with.” Never. Never ever ever. I can easily deal with living my life never having another LTR. It’s enough for me just to know that under the right circumstances I truly am capably of falling in love long term–of feeling romantic love untainted by any trace of contempt or hatred. Because the way he looked at me when I gave him that ring back, I don’t want to describe it. He asked me why, and my glibness chose that moment to desert me. Lacking any other option, I told him the truth: “I don’t love you anymore, I’m so sorry.” He said, and I can quote him verbatim because I’ll remember it till the day I die, “A person who can’t love isn’t a human being and might as well be dead.”

    I actually would rather be dead than hear that again. And I have a feeling that the fellow who could “rein me in” must be the rarest of men. So I don’t have the slightest expectation of ever meeting him. But that’s something I can absolutely live with. The other? No way.

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  225. on February 23, 2010 at 1:26 am Fuck Kant

    And you’ll never get him acting like such a needy bitch.

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  226. on February 23, 2010 at 3:29 am ephebophile

    @Blackflag

    Blackflag:“I don’t love you anymore, I’m so sorry.” Blackflag’s Fiance: “A person who can’t love isn’t a human being and might as well be dead.”

    Here my analysis:

    Well, he certainly didn’t hear you correctly. You said I’ve stopped loving you, & he heard (interpreted) from you was “I can’t love”.

    Props on giving the ring back. Also, if you were telling the truth when you said “I’m sorry”, as you claim… that deserves a gold star for preserving a modicum of his dignity. And its better then the tired “Its not you, its me” tripe.

    However, your story reinforces my abhorrent & antipathic condemnation of the romantic precious metals/diamond trade. The engagement/wedding ring cartels need to be dismantled.

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  227. on February 23, 2010 at 6:01 am ephebophile

    @Xsplat

    THAT’S how you treat women. Exactly like that.

    I prefer something more like this:

    “The bedroom-timeout room”

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  228. on February 23, 2010 at 10:59 am xsplat

    Ya, ephebophile, that’s cute and all. But you can’t fight insanity with sarcasm alone. You also need to be a good role model.

    That’s why my vision is so vicerally engaging and why it will stop all arguments about power plays and authority cold.

    You ask the OTHER person to imagine who THEY say as deserving authority and respect, and use their OWN vision to support your argument.

    Case closed.

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  229. on February 23, 2010 at 4:49 pm ephebophile

    Hey Xsplat
    Speaking about the “daddy” complex…

    It was was a necessity in the days of the Patriarchy & its tribal unit, the nuclear family.

    A girl would indeed have two fathers.

    The first father would cause her to develop respect for authority and teach her everything that her mother could not. He was limited in the scope of his instruction, to everything that was not sexual.

    In the courtship-marriage of his daughter, he selected the man who ask for his daughter’s hand based on his gut feeling that the right one would finish the task. A lesser male would be given a frank “No” until he could prove himself.

    At the wedding its asked: “who gives this woman to be wed”… its the father. This exchange is the transfer of the Father’s Authority and the new Daddy then continues her education that night, and teaches (fathers) her from then on.

    The undermining of the Father’s role began with the elopement practice, and rise of J.P. Judges giving license to marry certs.

    The acceptance and rise of premarital sex, the lack of Masculinity in married effeminate men, & the rampant divorce rate have all but destroyed the Patriarchal social order.

    Yet still women desire and need their daddies, ages of genetic programing won’t be denied. They cry out for it, and its absence in their lives is the primary cause of their mental illness.

    Its the thought behind the lyics of songs like: “I need a hero” and “Where have all the cowboys gone” and this phenomena is why game works better now more then ever before.

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  230. on February 23, 2010 at 4:57 pm xsplat

    and this phenomena is why game works better now more then ever before.

    And this is why I don’t understand the prime lament of the Spearhead crowd. The lament that women aren’t giving the Beta’s their due until they are too worn out to be worth much. The lament that women today want the wrong things and are too wild for their own good.

    I don’t understand the lament because it misses what a golden opportunity this age is. The very things that are our handicap – that women are now free to persue sexual thrills instead of a provider mate and family life – work in our favor.

    Wherever there are multiple strategies to success, there are niche markets that are MORE powerful than the mainstream chosen path. This is a golden time for men.

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  231. on February 23, 2010 at 5:46 pm ephebophile

    Well, Xsplat…

    Giacomo Casanova would have loved our golden time. I can see him running scams on Wall Street and in D.C. and then blowing it all in Vegas.

    With no need to practice fencing to protect himself from the wrath of fathers and brothers who’s women he had his way with, he could redouble his lusty pursuits.

    As its said: “to the victor goes the spoils”, and so few warriors to defend, it seems a forgone conclusion that the maid and her virtue (& her thighs) are soon parted.

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  232. on February 23, 2010 at 10:38 pm play station x

    [editor: have you tried one of my patented devilish smiles? ]

    Your patented devilish smiles make me want to puke. :-(*)

    [editor: who asked you?]

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  233. on April 4, 2010 at 6:25 pm namae nanka

    that’s zooey? such a bitch!

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  234. on November 4, 2010 at 11:13 am The Times Of Year You Should Watch Your Woman Carefully « Citizen Renegade

    […] The data gives seducers valuable info in which to tailor their game for maximum harem retention. First, we know both from anecdote and extrapolating from divorce data that women initiate 60-80% of all relationship breakups. The evo psych reasons for this are that women think more long term than do men, and are thus less likely than men to coast in a marginally-acceptable relationship for the sexual benefits. Women also have a more stringent list of criteria they demand from their lovers, and failing to meet bullet points 457-463 can cause her to reassess your value. […]

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  235. on December 14, 2010 at 4:38 pm Sand

    Neil Young said it best:

    “In the field of opportunity
    It’s plowin’ time again.
    There ain’t no way of telling
    Where these seeds
    will rise or when.”

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  236. on February 14, 2011 at 2:22 am Mr. Sparkle

    Hey MRA, You said–The Amish woman in “Witness” was not the youngest but she seemed the freshest.

    FYI, the actress who played that “fresh” woman was raped in her NYC apartment by at least one nigger.

    35,000 a year, every year, get the same treatment. Is your girlfriend, sister, daughter going to be one, too?

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