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February 22, 2010 by CH

For whatever reason, I’ve been getting more emails than ever from men thanking me for the blog and the improvements my writing has made to their love lives. I need an assistant to handle the boatloads of reader emails I’ve been getting lately. Any cute girls who like to wear schoolgirl skirts without underwear up for the, uh… position? Pupu? You seem the naughty type.

Email #1:

Most benevolent schlongmeister:

I have a quandary. I have shared my cliffs notes (consisting of links to your essays, or me getting them drunk and hollering at them) on the crimson arts with some of my nerdly friends, in hopes of making them more studly. These guys have had a lot of success; one guy went from “depressed middle aged schlub who got dumped by his fishwife, and who pines for his nerdy looking lady friends,” to “skewering 20 year old hotties by the half dozen” in a matter of a few weeks. Another was a long single fella; good looking dude, talented, keeps fit, went from “passive guy who never gets a date” to “boinks all the girls he desires.” There are other examples; I feel a benevolent fatherly glow, watching these good fellows grow from boy to man in this important area of their life.

My quandary: many of them seem unable to keep a woman. I think the seduction boards talk about this, they talk about accomplished seducers who have “something missing,” and never seem to have a girlfriend. They say stuff like the guys are so focused on the seduction process they can’t actually relate to the ladies, and so they can’t keep their girlfriends. I think that’s total girlie horse shit; “relating to women” is something fags do when they go shoe shopping with them. No, my extensive research (I asked the chicks who dumped them) indicates these dudes didn’t fuck their lady friends properly. That’s what is missing. Probably, they were taught some feminist bullshit about focusing on the clitoris like some kind of guppy fish,  or else they just lack the animal drive to fuck ’em like an enraged gorilla. Whatever it is, I’m kind of at a loss on explaining this. I figure if I say, “learn to squat 400lbs, then fuck them like a rapist,”  they’ll just give up; either that or they’ll do something lame and serial killer-like.

You’re much better at breaking crap like this down, so maybe you can do an article on the subject some time. I figure 90% of “relationship game” consists of fucking them so hard, their stupid hamster wheel never has a chance to spin up on you. The other 10% consists of acting like you can fuck them hard enough to make their hips crack the rest of the time; aka “being da man.” Personally, I make it a policy to not hang around with women I’m schtupping unless I’m actually screwing them: I got too much crap to do to rot in front of a TV or go on “hikes” or whatever most people do to kill time, because they have nothing better to do. This is probably part of it too; lame sex + TV = getting dumped. Hot rutting + elusive man of mystery who makes the time fun = stalkers.

sincerely,

-[reader requested anonymity]

First, a general observation regarding this reader’s email. A sneering accusation often heard from the arid, anti-seduction crowd is that the self-professed pickup gurus are never seen with a girlfriend, or otherwise have trouble keeping a girl for longer than a few weeks. Pay it no heed. It is the feeble bleat of the envious and the insecure. While I don’t have a data sheet of rock hard, throbbing numbers to arouse the nerd brigade in attendance, from casual impressions I don’t see the smattering of men who are public game advocates having any more or less success than the average beta bear finding and maintaining relationships. Neil Strauss has had long term girlfriends. I think he’s in an LTR now. Lance Mason, the founder of Pickup 101 is, or was, last I heard, in an LTR. Stephane Hemon, possibly the wackiest of the game teachers who profits from his knowledge, is married (to one woman). Some of the local men I know who follow and use game principles in their lives are informally hitched. Even Mystery, narcissist extraordinaire and player supreme, has had long term commitments, though undoubtedly of the more dramatic sort that would give hives to men who weary quickly of women’s mental masturbatory games.

That aside, let’s assume for the moment that the impression that pickup artists have trouble keeping girlfriends is accurate. Two reasons would account for this. One, many men who come into the game have had a lifelong history of trouble with the ladies. When they are finally handed the skeleton key to the gated secret garden, their enthusiasm for “skewering 20 year old hotties” will often trip up their good sense in the area of managing long term relationships. It is a tightrope, balancing the skills that get the girl with the skills that keep the girl, and most men will favor the former at the expense of the latter owing to the established scientific fact that for men, variety is its own reward.

Two, when someone gives you the power to attract and seduce multitudes of women, would you immediately put your newfound power to use seducing just one woman, and then calling it a day? Let’s just say that all those girlfriend-less pickup artists are crying all the way to their well-used, rumpled bedsheets. Or, to put it another way, if the choice is between an endless string of unstable, short term flings and no women at all, which do you think most men would choose?

Ok, now to the reader’s email. There is some truth to the observation that freshly minted players have trouble connecting with women on the level that would be required to sustain an LTR. Part (not all) of the mindset that is needed for pickup is antagonistic to the mindset needed for successfully navigating an LTR. When a man is hopped up on the thrill of meeting new women, he often loses sight of the little things that a girlfriend would want from him to strengthen their emotional bond. And so we see weird things happening to PUAs, such as Mystery losing his cool and his Russian girlfriend to a slaphappy roommate, and students of pickup workshops complaining a month later that the girls they banged aren’t interested in LTRs. What is happening to these men is a blunting of the psychological acumen needed to fulfill a girlfriend’s desires by heavy use of those alternate psychological ploys that serve masterfully as seduction tools. Listening with love to a woman is one of those key skills that seems to take a backseat to the wicked art of seduction.

But like the emailer, I too, find that an overwrought emphasis on “relating to women” is counterproductive for men, and also a little faggy. A lot of forlorn betas and sackless wonders will read “relating to women” as a ewe-like war cry to show more emotion, be more sensitive, and find more commonality with women on women’s terms. Let’s be clear: Couples shoe shopping is not going to fix your LTR. Men and women will never find commonality, and nor should they, because men and women by the hand of the double helical godking are designed from the origin point to exist in two separate spheres of perception. From a man’s correct point of view, women are not meant to be “related to”; they are meant to be seduced, fucked, cared for, laughed with, and loved a little or a lot. Don’t go looking for self actualization in a relationship.

The emailer says that the women he spoke to suggested it was a lack of proper rogering that turned them off from consdering their lovers as long term potential. I find this plausible, barring the usual caveats to take whatever women say with a silo of salt. A good bit of advice I could give to men who might suspect this is the problem is to focus less on tender lovemaking and more on raw, Discovery Channel savannah-style humping. Don’t worry about giving her an orgasm. If you bang with abandon, sweaty and unprepossessed, like a majestic lion king who just fatally bit the necks of twelve lion cubs and assumed by force the position of alpha male of the pride, with all the perks therein, it won’t much matter if she has an orgasm. For women, just as much stimulation is gotten from the feeling of being pumped like the submissive animal creature she is as from the actual crest and resolution of a physiological orgasm. If the thought of dominating your woman in bed shrivels your scrote, may I suggest a long and sexless marriage to a hag shrike who writes a feminist blog?

Email #2:

Chicks don’t dig jerks. They dig men who _can_ be jerks.

What’s jerkiness except taking without reciprocating, doing and saying what you want, and generally enjoying yourself without concern for the cost to others? We all want to be jerks. In fact, the easiest thing in the world is to be a jerk. But only some people can get away with being jerks, and most have to work hard to avoid jerkery. That is, only some people can take what they want without fearing the anger of other men. Perhaps fewer still can take what they want without fearing the anger of women.

The upshot for your readership is that women don’t have some special attraction to jerky actions per se. Instead, they are attracted to powerful men who have no reason to temper their preferred state of jackassery. Maybe fake it until you make it applies here, but I’m guessing most men can only push the limits of their asshole potential rather than break out of them entirely.

All the best,

C

The above was written by a woman going by the handle “Candy Fox”. If that’s her real name, I salute the gumption she’ll need to handle the challenges that lie ahead of her in the quest to marry up in social class.

The first line stuck out: “Chicks don’t dig jerks. They dig men who _can_ be jerks.” This is semantics. The men who *can* be jerks are often the men who *are* jerks. Why? Because they can be. It’s similar to an assertion I recall longtime commenter and sprightly feminine ingenue Alias Clio made, which went something along the lines of “Women don’t fall for the asshole behavior. We fall in love *despite* the asshole behavior.”

From most men’s perspectives, it’s inconsequential whether women fall for the jerk despite his assholery, or because of his assholery. The bottom line is that here, there, and everywhere, women (and particularly women of the highest sexual market value) are falling in love with, and having raunchy sex with, a rogues gallery of assholes, dicks, jerks, cads, boors, and even serial killers. So you’ll excuse the less fortunate in love men for not much caring about the rationalizations that women employ to assuage their guilt over falling for men Mom would not approve of, (but would secretly cream for).

The contention itself is false, anyhow. A simple thought experiment should suffice to show why this is so. If women were truly falling for jerks *despite* their jerkiness, then it stands to reason that the men women fall for would be randomly distributed from amongst the male population, as the positive traits that are presumably attracting these women would be found equally in jerks and non-jerks. But this is not what we see. (Note that marriage rates and marital choices are not indicative of what women truly desire in a sexual partner, especially when those women are forced into a corner by delayed singledom and aging cougarification to settle into a lame marriage with a peabody puffboy out of expedience.) Instead what we see is a notable sexual preference by women for men who aren’t particularly nice.

If women wanted nice, the beta store is fully stocked with saintly men. Candy Fox contends that women want nice, but they want it in a package that is capable of threatening jerk-like actions. But how is a woman to know a man is capable of jerkiness if he doesn’t demonstrate it? Answer: she can’t know without demonstration. And when is that demonstration of jerkiness most pertinent to a woman’s subconscious need to gather mate value information about a man? Answer: right at the beginning when she is deciding whether to have sex with him.

So we can easily conclude from my little thought experiment that women indeed do fall for jerks *because* of their jerkiness. Alias Clio would say that jerks have concomitant desireable traits that are actually responsible for her feelings of sexual arousal. She might say that a jerk’s jerkiness is not desireable, but his charm and cockiness are. Leaving aside for purposes of argument the telling observation that charm and cockiness are more often found in jerks than in niceguys (hello… ladieeees ;)), it is the height of hamster rationalization to presume there is no connection between a jerk’s charming attractiveness and his jerkiness. It is as if women wish to argue that loveable, sexy jerks are really two separate men in the same body, a Dr. Jerkyl Mr. Sly bipolarity that has infected the known human universe like a vampiric plague.

It’s a cop-out. An ego escape clause. A semantical nimbleness of tongue. The jerk makes his jerky presence known almost from the instant you meet him. It’s exhibited not just in his actions, but in his irresistible aloofness. No, one of the things women love about a jerk is… his jerkiness. And that is why, ladies, you will get more of what you love.

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  1. on February 22, 2010 at 1:26 pm X to the Z

    It’s even more telling that since this narrative has become so widely known (women dig jerks), women still choose to play right into it.

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  2. on February 22, 2010 at 1:51 pm Chuck

    Women want agentic men – men who act according to their own will. Women prefer agentic men who are not jerks, but most often agenticism involves a good bit of jerkery. The upper stratospheres of desired men are high status and agentic (George Clooney) while the larger middle swath of guys are bad boys (John Mayer). The next most desired brand of men are non-agentic bad boys then non-agentic nice guys.

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  3. on February 22, 2010 at 2:04 pm virginat50

    So you’ll excuse the less fortunate in love men for not much caring about the rationalizations that women employ to assuage their guilt over falling for men Mom would not approve of, (but would secretly cream for).

    One of my favorite lines, which I first heard from David DeAngelo: “I’m the kind of guy your mother warned you about, but we both know you never listened to her.”

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  4. on February 22, 2010 at 2:22 pm Game_in_bk

    -virginat50-

    if you read (and apply) roissy you should be able to get a date.

    How can it be that you approached 1000 women and did not even get one kiss with any of them??

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  5. on February 22, 2010 at 2:23 pm Game_in_bk

    -virginat50-

    we need to get you laid.
    i am sure we can do it.

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  6. on February 22, 2010 at 2:27 pm The G Manifesto

    “From a man’s correct point of view, women are not meant to be “related to”; they are meant to be seduced, fucked, cared for, laughed with, and loved a little or a lot.”

    Great point. If the world understood this, it would be a better place.

    And if smoking was allowed in bars. And stayed bars open 24 hours everywhere.

    Then the world would be a great place.

    – MPM

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  7. on February 22, 2010 at 2:42 pm mish

    So yeah. Took my 27 years to realize how important it is that you bang her right. I had a ltr where I banged her badly/pathetically for the duration of the relationship. THe more in love the wimpier my performance. I’ve been trying to figure this out for a while but cannot for the life of me understand why this was.

    Before her and since her I sport fucked like a champ. I’ve since actually sport fucked a few just bc of how I rep’d on friends of theirs (classy girls- i know). Whats the connection? Did I just turn into a bitch while in the LTR? She was attractive but it wasn’t that others have been much more attractive. What was my deal?????

    Secondly – As someone who knows a little bit about what works for me physically in terms of performance (emotionally no clue as evidenced by the above) but as a bodybuilder SQUATS ARE VITAL. Don’t laugh. The increase in your bodies testosterone output has SIGNIFICANT ramifications – Sorry this is going to be graphic- in how hard, how easy it is to get hard, how fast you recover post coitus, and how many times you go in a 24 hour period. I’m sure of the above (at least for me) but I’m prety sure the effects are most dramatic during the period when your body is changing or growing from the squatting not the constant state of doing the same weightxSetXrep. Change those as often as you can. Some ppl might be able to gorilla fuck naturally but I can’t, but when im in the pattern of doing squats regularly I can king kong a bitch.

    (side note – abs are important too, you’d be surprised how damaging it can be to performance to have your abs burning and telling you to stop even though the rest of you doesn’t want to)

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  8. on February 22, 2010 at 2:52 pm maurice

    @gman: this is true in Vegas. You can smoke indoors there. And the bars are open late, if not always around the clock.

    @Chuck – I like that word – “agentic”. In concept if not in lexical beauty. That hierarchy sort of makes sense. A guy who makes his own rules is a kind of a leader, which conveys dominance, or the absence of submission to rules or institutions.

    Although a whiff of bad-boy danger is more important that you suggest. Consider a Silicon Valley style entrepreneur/innovator type. Totally “agentic” (OK, I don’t really like the word, just the concept.) – but nerdy. We all know those dudes don’t get any women, no matter how brilliant, unconventional, or even good-looking they are. Too brainy. The only thing that would turn female heads to such a man is Google-founder-scale wealth. Which is an attractor independent of the actual man, of course.

    Whereas a tatooed douchebag, who works, say, in the lower reaches of any given services or distribution-industry establishment, can, if he strikes the right masculine pose and goes to the right places, pull tail in an unbelieveable way. So it’s all about the ‘tude, the way a man carries himself, more than anything he actually does, knows or achieves. Yet another slice of evidence for the perversity of female sexuality and the hypocrisy of what they profess to be attracted to.

    “Agentic”. Very broad concept, but possibly useful. I’ll have to think on it some more.

    @first-letter-dude: well said.

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  9. on February 22, 2010 at 2:58 pm Hemingway

    I would submit that a PUA is a one-trick pony. If he doesn’t like her inevitable antics, he will “next” her. It takes a bigger “tool” set to stay yet remain a challenge.

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  10. on February 22, 2010 at 3:04 pm Luvsic

    ewe-like war cry will have me laughing for days

    reader #1 did a pretty good job of solving the problem in his conclusion

    1 of the great lessons learned here is not caring whether they get there, just focus on pounding that p

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  11. on February 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm Rollo Tomassi

    when someone gives you the power to attract and seduce multitudes of women, would you immediately put your newfound power to use seducing just one woman, and then calling it a day?

    Yes, if you’re a life long AFC unaccustomed to successfully attracting and seducing women.

    The single most common pitfall I encounter with rAFCs is that they never kill their inner beta. You can teach a beta Game and the first thing he’ll do is make a bee line to the first woman who fits the very minimal beta requirements of his “dream girl”. The pattern usually entails the newly converted beta rote memorizing just enough Game to move up through the ranks of HB 5-7s until he closes his first 8, the heavens open up, angels sing and he’s finally met the ONE. At which point he reverts back to his beta insecurities because “he’ll never get another shot at a girl like her again”, pedestal-izes her until she realizes he’s actually a beta in alpha clothing.

    Tragically, for most guys, Game doesn’t kill the inner beta. It covers a multitude of sins, but it doesn’t provide them with enough introspect to make the quantum shift from a beta mindset to an alpha mindset.

    This is precisely why Mystery falls apart as an abject AFC with Katya (?) in The Game. He reverts to AFC behaviors because he hadn’t killed the inner AFC; he hadn’t changed his genuine perspective and belief. Mystery went to the point of being suicidal because of it. One very common tendency for guys aping PUA behavior is them reverting to an AFC set of behaviors in an LTR once they’ve secured that ONE girl they were after. They do so because that mindset is still ingrained. They haven’t fundamentally changed their minds with regards to that strongly internalized AFC default beliefs.

    And then, conveniently – like the plot of every romantic comedy – at the end of their LTR, they blame the Game they learned for their LTR failures.

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  12. on February 22, 2010 at 3:10 pm The G Manifesto

    maurice

    “@gman: this is true in Vegas. You can smoke indoors there. And the bars are open late, if not always around the clock.”

    Yeah, the Spearmint Rhino and Wynn are my homes away from home.

    No smoking in restaurants there anymore though.

    – MPM

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  13. on February 22, 2010 at 3:15 pm L'Emmerdeur

    The most difficult concept for me has been not giving a scrap about their sexual needs, and letting them get theirs without me serving them like some fucking waiter.

    Fight the beta instinct to cater to their orgasms, half of them can’t even climax anyways, I guarantee it will keep them coming back for as long as you want them too.

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  14. on February 22, 2010 at 3:32 pm lovelysexybeauty

    “Ok ok ok, stop.  It’s simple:  girls like bad boys.   These guys are just gonna trip up if they overthink things like that.” This is the reaction of my Guy whenever I’ve read Roissy or Roosh to him.  I thought he would relate since he seems to do Game stuff with me  (constant negging, kino to the point of public inappropriateness, ignoring my moodiness and tantrums, being nonplussed about AMOGs, flirting with other girls in front of me, etc). Instead he found it overanalyzing.  Interesting… funnnn….but a little scary too shhh.

    Totally agree that men and women should not try to truly understand and relate to each other.  They are just too different mentally and emotionally.  Better to relate to each other in a complentary, “gendered” way to each other.  Which does *not* involve trying to “get” each other or whatever.  What a snoozefest that would be….

    But… if a guy feigns emotional bonding… and everyone you can ‘fake it until you make it.’   Can a man pretend to be emotional bonded to a girl without eventually getting emotionally bonded in reality?   I tend to think no. 

    People who pretend to do something long enough eventually seem to trigger something within, by rewiring their brains, that completes the circuit and that’s how they now truly feel.

    Also, about jerkiness… didn’t totally follow the issue.  Too much jerking around lol.  But I get the point about guys who show they are capable of being jerks… rather than being so jerky to be a turnoff.  And Roissy’s about not knowing if someone is a jerk until they act it out.  It just has to be in balance… in measured doses.

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  15. on February 22, 2010 at 3:45 pm el chief

    Added a post, “How to fuck her like a champ”:

    http://vancouvergame.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-to-fuck-her-like-champ.html

    Feel free to add your own techniques.

    el chief

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  16. on February 22, 2010 at 3:46 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Shoot for higher quality girls. The lower quality ones eventually figure out they can never win you over so they leave, but the better ones think they have a shot so you can keep them as girlfriends easier.

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  17. on February 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm alias clio

    You called, Sir?

    Most of the men I dated who turned out to be jerks didn’t actually begin that way. They were polite, they dressed in clean respectable clothes; they had no [visible] tattoos; and they didn’t swear or call me “babe” or anything like that. Their jerkishness revealed itself over time in failure to call me, rudeness to old men, flirting with waitresses, and other such manifestations. Whenever that happened, I would feel crushed, thinking that perhaps something I had done had brought about the change.

    I did learn eventually that charm and cockiness were usually bad signs in themselves, but it took me many years. I’m not sure the lesson was complete until I started to read your blog and realised with a shock that I had in fact been dating mostly “PUA” naturals for years. So I owe you something there.

    But jerkishness alone wouldn’t have done the trick for me or most women I knew in my youth. If a man to whom I was initially attracted for his looks and cocky mannerisms had begun a first date by cussing out a waiter or kicking a cat [and I hate cats] or showing up three sheets to the wind, I would have dismissed him immediately. It’s possible to overdo the alpha behaviour, as I’ve said here before.

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  18. on February 22, 2010 at 3:55 pm el chief

    I was a big fan of Doc Love for his relationship advice.

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  19. on February 22, 2010 at 3:57 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Also, I find it so interesting how Pupu has managed to attract the admiration of Rossy… without ever posting a pic. or describing how she looks…. or even e-mailing Roissy offblog from what I can tell. (This is not the first time he’s called her out… he’s teased her a few times and even thought she was the pixie she posted to girl rating page.)  To me she’s always come across as sweet… gentle… cute… and very importantly, mysterious (without making you feel like she’s leaving out important details).  I feel bad analyzing more of her GirlGame… i think she’s just being her balanced sweet self, rather than trying to lure in all the boyz.  (Not that there’s anything wrong with deliberately trying to lure in the boyz 😉 ). But it’s veryyyyy interesting. The use of the 3rd person… the short sentences… light short airiness… the cutesey sounding name (which could have been taken as waste connotations… no one has ever gone there!)… cool girl! 🙂  her girly frame is very strong… even among PUAs.  lol.

    [editor: precisely. some of the ladies could learn a thing or two from pupu’s feminine charms.]

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  20. on February 22, 2010 at 3:58 pm Keep a Movin' Dan

    I think letter #2 is on the right track–but misses the fact that jerkiness will, subconsciously, act as an indicator of ability to be jerky. Analogy: no one wants to waste money on overpriced crap, but we do because we take price as an indicator of quality.

    So, if a woman meets a jerk, her initial inclination is to assume he’s a jerk because he’s used to being able to act like a jerk and have people love him anyway. Therefore, the woman will subconsciously conclude she should fuck him. But a non-jerky man with other bulletproof non-jerk indicators of value wins easily over the deeply bitter loser jerk and the false bravado loser jerk.

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  21. on February 22, 2010 at 4:08 pm goldenseed

    Not to hijack this thread but I could use some advice and this comment board is the best place I can think of.

    I’m currently seeing three women, an 8 and two 7’s. The 8 is the main girl. She is very hot, classy, feminine, fashionable, cool and intelligent. She is an executive assistant for an executive at a top shelf company in a big east coast city. Smokin body. However I have the least grip on her . I completely control every aspect of the relationship with both 7’s. But the 8 is still equal in terms of power, maybe even tilted in her favor slightly. We’ve hung out probably about 5 or 6 times over the course of 5 weeks. She is sweet and engaged when we hang out, but she does the play the typical hot women games. She has flaked a couple times with standard excuses but momentum has built gradually. She is certainly high market value and status, so I have no delusions about having competition for her. My game has been tight and luckily I have good looks and a high paying job. A little more information: she is 28, Im 29. She usually dates high status guys in their 30’s; I usually date early to mid 20’s girls. Nothing unusual there.

    So anyway, last week I took her out for her birthday and got the first bang. After dinner and then drinking all night at various venues with her, we banged in a stall of the womens restroom of a W hotel lounge, after last call. Then again at her apartment. At the lounge prior to last call, she asked me “when was the last time you had sex?” And before I could answer, she cut me off and said “and if it was recent, you can tell me, I’ll respect you more”. So I told her the truth… last week. She then said she last got laid in November and also admitted she went out with another guy two weeks ago. Basically this was a drunken sexually charged conversation and a candid one at that. Two savvy people calling it like it is. Then after last call at the bar, on our way out she steps into the womens restroom, and holds the door open and gives me blatant sex eyes. Without hesitation I walk in, kiss her and lead her into a stall, where I pull up her dress, and pull down her leggings (or whatever you call them) leaving her completely naked, and hit it from behind over the toilet. Nice one for the memory bank.

    Despite this nice milestone, I dont feel in control. With her I dont have the same level of confidence I usually have… usually girls are eating out of my hand by this point, trying to escalate the relationship. She is interested, but not eating out of my hand. I’ve put in more effort than usual up to this point, but nothing I’d call beta and I dont contact her unless Im making plans to see her. Everything passes the billboard test. I realize she is just gaming me as well..but Im not accustomed to it and want to make sure Im not going soft.

    My specific question is regarding the following: During the aforementioned dinner she admitted to me that this weekend she is getting a boob job. With a smirk on my face I told her Im looking forward to seeing her the following week. She mentioned how she is upset and surprised that so many people she knows are really judgemental about it. I told her my 26 year old little sister has a boob job (which is true) and how I’m cool with it and how I’ll be probably even MORE likely to be unable to keep my hands off her. She ate this up, and I suspect it helped achieve the bathroom bang result which occurred later. The surgery is Friday and she is recovering through the weekend and returning to work the following Thursday. Her mother is in town for those five days to keep her company at her condo as she recovers.

    I’ll be out of town skiing that weekend. I was thinking of having flowers delivered to her place on Saturday. Nothing ostentatious, but with a note saying “Hope everything turned out well. Rest up and I’ll see you next week.” My thinking is that, I have enough alpha cred to pull this off as I’ve done nothing nice for her up until this point other than the bday dinner. The mother, sitting with her all day while she lays in bed, will ask about me, forcing them to discuss how awesome I am. After all, the only thing she can say is: he is handsome, intelligent, successful, and….thoughtful. She’ll think about me during her time off, and when she is back in commission and Im back from skiing, I’ll be bombarded with more passionate big-titty sex than I can handle.

    Thoughts? Am I off base here? The alternative is doing nothing… and I have nothing to lose in that approach. But Im seeing an opportunity for a big play touchdown here.

    appreciate advice from anyone interested enough to respond.

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  22. on February 22, 2010 at 4:09 pm Liverlips

    Sometimes when I actually see beta men it surprises me. Sure, most are dorky, fat and/or unstylish. But a few are not bad looking guys – 5s or 6s who could be 7s if they knew how to dress and act better.

    God bless game and may I not see so many unhappy betas and omegas in the coming years. It really is a waste for these guys to go through life this way when they – and the women they should be banging – could easily get what the want.

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  23. on February 22, 2010 at 4:10 pm HeMan

    One of the worst pieces of advice ever given to a men has been by the Pointer Sisters:

    “I want a man with a slow hand
    I want a lover with an easy touch”

    I’ve tried this and it doesn’t work. Nothing kills the fire of passion more than a ‘slow hand’ in my experience.

    Women like it when I give over to my base animal urges. I was going to write that women like it when ‘men’ give over to their base animal urges, but I realise that I would be taking my own experience and generalising, which really I shouldn’t do.

    But what I can safely say is, that women I’ve been with want me as a hot, horny red-blooded man. They want to feel my hot throbbing, hard cock in their pussies. They want the sweat, they want grunts they want to hear my moans of pleasure as I slam the love rod deep inside. They want to feel my cock pump my jism deep inside them.

    Fortunately for them, apart from a bit of fumbling in my earlier years, they’ve all been quite lucky.

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  24. on February 22, 2010 at 4:12 pm Game_in_bk

    The hottest women do fall for jerks- i have seen it time and again.

    Went to a BK hipster house party a few weeks back- the hottest piece of ass was with one of the most snobbish anti social assholes i have ever seen!

    This almost always happens- and I have seen it my entire life. Anyway:

    What of men jerks that don’t actually get women?
    We all know a few men that are assholes to other men- but they don’t seem to score hot women, or even average looking women.

    We know why the nice guys aren’t scoring; but what of the asshole male jerks that don’t score?
    It isn’t about just being an asshole overall- there is something more to it…

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  25. on February 22, 2010 at 4:12 pm The Specimen

    Wrt jerks getting chicks, I think a good analogy can be found in Machiavelli’s description a virtuous ruler. Either you can be a nice guy that’s capable of extreme assholery, or an asshole that’s capable of being very nice. Both get laid like gangbusters.

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  26. on February 22, 2010 at 4:15 pm Basil Ransom

    I used to be agnostic on the jerk issue – do jerks just have a suite of traits that yields more pussy, beyond just being a jerk? Probably.

    But doing something jerkish, that has no charm or humor about it, is effective. You’re dominating her, and that’s what turns her on.

    Say, taking her bar stool and sitting on it, wordlessly, is a simple example, and effective. It also leaves you in a great position, feeling like a king astride his throne, with a wench at your side awaiting orders.

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  27. on February 22, 2010 at 4:18 pm Jack

    I have a question.

    What’s the best way to respond if a girl calls you something like “honey” or “kiddo”? (and does it habitually)

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  28. on February 22, 2010 at 4:27 pm Chuck

    Maurice:

    I wrote on agenticism a while back in a post titled “The Dick You Know”.

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  29. on February 22, 2010 at 4:30 pm Chuck

    Game_in_bk:

    We know why the nice guys aren’t scoring; but what of the asshole male jerks that don’t score?
    It isn’t about just being an asshole overall- there is something more to it…

    I don’t mean to draw attention too much from the thread onto my own stuff, but in the post I pointed out to Maurice I discussed the lowest category of men (besides deformed omegas):

    5. The Dick You Don’t Care to Know. When you get this far down the list it doesn’t really matter what’s going on. My main purpose in putting this here is to at least give NGYDK some assurance that they aren’t the dregs. This last group are men who are negative, foul-spirited, and lacking in confidence. “Sour” is a good word to describe them. “Hater” is another. They are petty and spineless and don’t at least offer a smile while behaving that way. They seek to tear people down at every turn – not out of some strategy for their own upward mobility, but because they seek company. Ex: George Costanza if he weren’t made-for-TV.

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  30. on February 22, 2010 at 4:38 pm Backdoor Man

    “A good bit of advice I could give to men who might suspect this is the problem is to focus less on tender lovemaking and more on raw, Discovery Channel savannah-style humping. ”

    This has actually become a bit of an issue for me. Hard and violent is the only way my woman wants it these days. We haven’t had a nice slow and gentle fuck in months, it seems. I’m starting to wonder about the future….if my libido drops and hers doesn’t, is she gonna start making eyes at some punk she meets on her daily commute? We already screw 5-7 times a week (sometimes it’s even 10 or more), and I’m not getting any younger, so at some point, something’s gotta give…..

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  31. on February 22, 2010 at 4:41 pm The Specimen

    Also, the term “jerk” in this context is nothing more than the envious bleating of bellicose beta boy manginas who denigrate, despise, and player hate through half lidded eyes any man who gets laid more than they do. What the Beta menace calls “being a jerk”, is what most women call “being a man” and what most men call “having a sack”.

    These so called nice guys are are usually jerks just as much as any other man. They just don’t have the spine to be up front about things.

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  32. on February 22, 2010 at 4:48 pm lurker

    My opinion of women and jerks is this: women long to find the most successful genes to procreate.

    In the chaos of a non-society, where food and shelter are scarce, women will gravitate towards men who are pragmatic and plan ahead; these types of men farm rather than hunt because farming allows them to control to a much greater degree than hunters the food supply. These women also gravitate towards badass raiders—-samurai, pirates, etc.—who attack the farmers and steal their food. But since raiders have a feast/famine ethos almost identical to a hunter/gatherer, women try to find good, pragmatic farmers who have defenses against raiders to secure the best for their offspring. These farmers are prototypical betas.

    The farmers band together to both increase protection from raiders and also to more regularize food and shelter: if one farmer has a bad season, the other farmers can sell him food so he doesn’t starve. Society, therefore, is formed basically as an insurance policy.

    This is all well and good until the beta-farmers become too successful at producing necessities and defending against raids. When that happens—when goods are produced in such a quantity and quality by a small group and cheaply that starvation and destruction are seen as relics of the past—-then the beta-farmers’ value drops significantly, since a woman need not have a beta-farmer to be protected by his society’s shell.

    As such, women’s fancy turns to those who can best exploit the beta-farmers for their basic goods while allowing the woman to have pleasure without stress. Hence why, at certain points in society, the ideal male turns from a beta-farmer or citizen-soldier (see WW2) to cads: those who can be parasites on society’s teat, without contributing anything to the insurance policy.

    Men, however, are merely creatures of nature, whose goal is to procreate. Whatever women find most attractive, men will try to be. As soon as the beta-men in a society realize that the women have turned to cads, they try to become cads themselves, abandoning the producing and defense and sacrifice in favor of parasitic nature.

    As such, the society becomes very vulnerable to both lack of food—since few men want to learn and work and sacrifice the time to learn to produce necessities—and lack of defense from raiders, since it was the citizen-soldier, fighting for his farm and his gal Daisy Mae, who formed the backbone of the country.

    Eventually, the unified nation crumbles, as raiders steal the food once well protected and drought, famine, disease and lack of delivery (due to betas refusing to defend the roads or sustain the broken ones) kill off the populace.

    What is shocking in our society is how quickly we have fallen from beta-farmer to cads. It has been roughly 60 years since the ww2 veteran was a hero; now, mystery and 50 cent are.

    I wonder if we can ever reverse this trend.

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  33. on February 22, 2010 at 4:54 pm Game_in_bk

    -Backdoor Man-

    do her in the backdoor.

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  34. on February 22, 2010 at 5:06 pm blinderzoff

    I wonder if we can ever reverse this trend.

    It is a cycle not a trend.

    But you knew that.

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  35. on February 22, 2010 at 5:15 pm Cannon's Canon

    I feel the first email author’s pain in having your recommendations for 400 lbs. squats fall on deaf and discouraged ears.

    Also, did we get a Val Venis reference in parentheses today? I have had a sneaking suspicion for a long time that there are important lessons to be gleaned from pro wrestling. I will be contemplating this on the tree of woe.

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  36. on February 22, 2010 at 5:20 pm Natasha F.

    Your writing skills are tops. I have to give it to you. Creative, imaginative, entertaining, all of that. I can tell you are ahead of the pack simply through your conspicuous lack of grammatical and syntactic errors. It’s too bad for you that no major advertiser or publisher/distributor of verbal content will ever pick you up in a way that would make you any decent money because of, well… it’s ineffable, this quality you have, so appealing at first blush but then so disgusting (in the non-charming sense) upon further and deeper exposure. It’s one thing to be Howard Stern or Sarah Silverman, and make actual cash money off a particular brand of offensiveness/outrageousness/”Truth.” It’s another thing when your personality is so… angry … unpleasant … deeply offensive (in the non-charming sense), so much of the time. Not all the time, but some. Enough of the time.

    [editor: i swoon! and chub out a little…]

    So this is a bit of unsolicited advice. Maybe you don’t care that you will never be one of those bloggers who get “discovered” and then get a big mainstream publishing deal that will net you $$$ as well as a real audience (i.e., one that is comprised of more than the geeks and socially maladapted otaku that is currently your readership). You can tell yourself that you are ahead of your time, and true geniuses are always unappreciated in their time. Or whatever.

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  37. on February 22, 2010 at 5:25 pm PlanetGrok

    LOL @ “tender lovemaking”. Since when is sex ever tender? Only the foreplay, if the chick has a beta. (I throw my women up against the wall and grab their neck, and they love it.)

    “Tender Lovemaking” is a pretty lie to make women feel better after the fact about getting pummeled and physically dominated in the sex act. I don’t think even the most hapless beta feels much of a desire for tenderness once he is “in there” and hitting it, and no woman wants some flaccid, “tender” sex. They want booty-slapping, dirty talk, and hair pulling.

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  38. on February 22, 2010 at 5:31 pm The Specimen

    @ Backdoorman

    I don’t know about how comfortable you are with moral gray areas, but my advice is to get another hottie on the side. A relatively low maintenance one that knows your situation and that you don’t have to devote lots of time to is best. The swagger this puts in your step will keep your wife from getting out of pocket.

    @Clio

    Do you think that learning charm and cockiness were bad signs might have been you settling/setting more realistic goals of who you could get to commit? I’m not trying to insult you, bash you or anything, it’s just that in my experience, having confidence and charm was an absolute MUST for every single one of the top notch women I’ve dated. In fact, much more of a factor than having money or status.

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  39. on February 22, 2010 at 5:37 pm Crimsonride

    There is an anti-seduction crowd? I thought the crossfit vs. gym jones fights were absurd.

    And to think, I ended up here through a link from World Net Daily (White Trash Daily)…mercy.

    Isn’t all of this fairly redundant? I mean, I have read posts here and there and while the specifics may vary, the overall idea remains identical. I don’t disagree with the major points. But it seems the horse has gone rotten and you are now just hacking limbs off. Unless of course this all is a cover for subtle social conservative schtick. Which is seeming increasingly likely.

    Oh, and to answer an above poster, a woman who uses “honey” or “dear” habitually sounds like hillbilly trash. Ask if she’s ever met her father.

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  40. on February 22, 2010 at 5:48 pm Cannon's Canon

    is there really a workout regiment named “gym jones”? i’m smitten. dipset byrdgang capo status freaky juelz santana

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  41. on February 22, 2010 at 5:49 pm Jim

    Rollo Tomasi The single most common pitfall I encounter with rAFCs is that they never kill their inner beta. You can teach a beta Game and the first thing he’ll do is make a bee line to the first woman who fits the very minimal beta requirements of his “dream girl”. The pattern usually entails the newly converted beta rote memorizing just enough Game to move up through the ranks of HB 5-7s until he closes his first 8, the heavens open up, angels sing and he’s finally met the ONE. At which point he reverts back to his beta insecurities because “he’ll never get another shot at a girl like her again”, pedestal-izes her until she realizes he’s actually a beta in alpha clothing.”

    So sad, and so true.

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  42. on February 22, 2010 at 5:50 pm RMM

    Natasha F., it’s so cute that you think Roissy wants, needs, or aims at getting “discovered.” By Prince Charming, I assume?

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  43. on February 22, 2010 at 5:55 pm Fuck Kant

    @goldenseed

    Just use your head man, it’s all you got and you’re going to be incongruent as fuck eventually if you don’t know why you’re doing shit.

    You’re asking about sending a girl who obviously likes you enough to play all these dumb shit games to test you whether or not you should take the 5 fucking minutes to send her a card after a surgery (especially one where you’re gonna share the benefits). Consider putting “I can’t wait to THOROUGHLY inspect the doctors work as I’m considering the same procedure” and make sure her mom gets and reads it if you’re comfortable having that talk.

    Frankly she’s outgaming you right now. You’re going to have to admit she is in control and she is setting the plans for this relationship right now (though she may give you that power later, you’ll only find out through observation). The question is do you trust her to not fuck you. And if the answer is no, what the fuck are you gonna do about it?

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  44. on February 22, 2010 at 5:58 pm Nightley

    @ lurker

    Don’t blame nice guys for trying to become short-terms jerks in order to get laid.

    Women’s mate choice is the main problem. They still act like cave women seeking for the high testosterone guy no matter if he beats her or threat her bad.

    The part of women that desires maleness is a real disease and a huge problem for the western civilisation.

    One day with advance technologic therapy, it will be possible to cure this decease and make women choose rational mate such as the nice beta who will take care of her his whole life.

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  45. on February 22, 2010 at 6:00 pm Natasha F.

    Roissy,

    You know I’ve had a life-threatening crush on you since way back when.

    [editor: understandable.]

    My uterus throbs with yearning, its (her) blood-soaked membranes shedding rich crimson tears for you.

    [phew! for a second there i thought you were gonna say you missed your period.]

    And, more importantly, my brain (the most important sex organ of all) is inexplicably drawn to yours …

    [a duet of dendrites.]

    Whatever. You know you luv it.

    [you know the drill.

    how old are you?
    how tall are you?
    how much do you weigh?
    which hollywood starlet do you most resemble?
    do you do butt love?]

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  46. on February 22, 2010 at 6:05 pm Candy Fox

    If women were truly falling for jerks *despite* their jerkiness, then it stands to reason that the men women fall for would be randomly distributed from amongst the male population, as the positive traits that are presumably attracting these women would be found equally in jerks and non-jerks.

    That would be true if there were an equal number of jerky and non-jerky high-powered men running around. But since people generally do what they can get away with, there isn’t a large, observable control group of men who could be jerks but refrain. And because life checks those who act like jerks without the power to get away with it, being a jerk is usually an honest signal.

    Bottom line: let’s not trust the hamster wheel; let’s trust ev psych. A woman should want a man who can commandeer resources (and shouldn’t much care how he does it), because some of those goodies will be lavished on her. But it should be obvious that she would benefit most if she could somehow hitch herself to an incorrigible plunderer and status-hound who promptly transferred all that good stuff directly to her. In other words, she wants a guy who is an asshole to others and an angel to her. Of course, those men don’t exist so women choose second best: an incorrigible plunderer and status-hound who confers some of the good stuff to her.

    Anyway, great blog. You’re writing is phenomenal.

    Hmm, afterthoughts… women want successful children, and they wouldn’t want to have boys who were so easily captured by a single woman. One way to ensure you have sexy, philandering sons is to spread for the guy who doesn’t worship you. Okay, full circle.

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  47. on February 22, 2010 at 6:16 pm dragnet

    “…bang with abandon, sweaty and unprepossessed… For women, just as much stimulation is gotten from the feeling of being pumped like the submissive animal creature she is as from the actual crest and resolution of a physiological orgasm.”

    So much truth here. The foreplay has to start long before the sack—it’s starts with being alpha. If you’re sufficiently alpha (ie, you Game is tight enough) then she’s already well on her way to orgasm. Once you have her in the sack, the key is confidence & boldness, with a hint of ferocity. Every now again, brush the hair out her face and plant one on her nose—in between bouts of ravaging her. Push-pull.

    But mostly push.

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  48. on February 22, 2010 at 6:25 pm Bhetti

    Would pupu have been encouraged in her mathematical pursuit at all in a pre-feminist world? Serious question, because I suspect there’s been a rewriting of history about issues like that.

    —-

    From a man’s correct point of view, women are not meant to be “related to”; they are meant to be seduced, fucked, cared for, laughed with, and loved a little or a lot.

    <sarcasm>

    Clearly the words of an unfeeling monster who routinely abuses unwilling women in the worst possible ways.

    Not even in the good way of worst possible ways.
    </end sarcasm.>

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  49. on February 22, 2010 at 6:26 pm valmont

    Roissy I urge you to read the book: Women who love too much by Robin Norwood…it’s the reason why women write books like the Story of O.

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  50. on February 22, 2010 at 6:37 pm Natasha F.

    And, more importantly, my brain (the most important sex organ of all) is inexplicably drawn to yours …

    [a duet of dendrites.]

    Whatever. You know you luv it.

    [you know the drill.

    how old are you?
    how tall are you?
    how much do you weigh?
    which hollywood starlet do you most resemble?
    do you do butt love?]

    ********

    A “duet of dentrites”?? Love it!! [drenching my drawers as we speak]

    how old are you? Younger than you.

    [editor: perfect.]

    how tall are you? 5’4″

    [a little short for me, but not a dealbreaker by any stretch.]

    how much do you weigh? 120 lbs.

    [BMI: 20.6. exquisite.]

    which hollywood starlet do you most resemble? Catherine Zeta-Jones

    [this sounds like the celebrity a woman would choose if she was being less than honest about which female celebrity she looked like. are you, ms natasha, fibbing with me?]

    do you do butt love? I tried it once with an ex-boyfriend. He got the head in. It was painful and unpleasant. No thx.

    [i’ll have to deduct points for this. a bit of pain heightens the pleasure.]

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  51. on February 22, 2010 at 6:57 pm Nobody

    Candidate for beta of the month: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/02/just-friends.html

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  52. on February 22, 2010 at 7:05 pm Keith

    “For women, just as much stimulation is gotten from the feeling of being pumped like the submissive animal creature she is as from the actual crest and resolution of a physiological orgasm.”

    Exactly, and when Roissy can’t get it up at all, it just demonstrates that she’s not hot enough for his alpha cock.

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  53. on February 22, 2010 at 7:25 pm alias clio

    “Do you think that learning charm and cockiness were bad signs might have been you settling/setting more realistic goals of who you could get to commit?”

    Would you believe me if I said no? The man I eventually found had both qualities, but used them in a different way. No setting out to make me uncomfortable or to prove his indifference to me by disappearing for periods of time – although he didn’t seem over-eager or needy, either. I knew he “had a life”.

    Anyway, I had learned by then to get to know a man before I invested any deeper feelings in him than simple enjoyment of his charm.

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  54. on February 22, 2010 at 7:30 pm Lily

    Can game teach men to be what we, women, really want– men who are ‘jerky’ not because they choose it as an affect, but because they actually have pursuits in the world that are more important than canoodling with us? Two great historical seductions show what I’m talking about. One: Rousseau’s Emile (which Roissy has either read or absorbed second-hand through other reading). Emile has been wooing the girl, but she doesn’t fall for him until he gives her a speech that ‘the needs of humanity and justice’ will always trump his devotion to her [cataclysmic wettening]. Two, Michelle Obama reports she didn’t truly fall for B. until she saw him slaving in some church basement for the poor. The side-effect on both counts is that both Barack and Emile showed their intended women that they were second-best.

    But here’s the rub: second best to some legitimate pursuit and not just as a pose to make the man the latch-key to what the woman’s pink lock demands of him. (I personally would have the opposite reaction to Barack’s alms-giving, but hey). Roissy, you know as well as anyone that women have instinct like dogs. It’s not ‘is he a jerk?’ that we’re smelling for, but ‘is he a man?’.

    I wonder why you, with all your imagination, wit, and curiosity, devote so much of that to writing a blog about getting pussy rather than doing something befitting of a man. to put it in terms that are probably more interesting to you, the blog about getting pussy is a waste of time that could be spent doing something that really gets pussy.

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  55. on February 22, 2010 at 7:47 pm Assanova

    OT: Guy dumps his cheating girlfriend over the radio:

    http://twiturm.com/2ju2p

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  56. on February 22, 2010 at 8:18 pm Ryan

    (OK, I gradually lost restraint w/this re: length, but it’s written, so I’ll be damned if I don’t post it now.)

    Women primarily fall for powerful men. Power typically manifests in the domination of that man over various things (worldly objects, other men and women, the particular in-love girl, etc.). The ability to do what one wants, i.e., to assert one’s will over another’s — which is a negative definition of power in that it’s defined as the absence of limitations or restraints on a will — is only going to attract a woman to the extent she perceives/senses/knows of it.

    Nearly everyone, especially men, first attempts to be powerful, and secondarily attempts to appear powerful, whether reality and appearance correspond or not (a mix of fitness advertising and self-preservation). So women are confronted with the task of discerning the mere appearance of power from the genuine trait itself. The extent of one’s power will be revealed according to the degree it overcomes obstacles at which a phony version would crumble.

    Being nice is easy and faces no conflict or obstacles, since nobody will question or oppose it. In fact, that’s usually the reason men will be nice, as it is almost essentially the loss of his own willed well-being to another’s. Because almost everyone wills his own well-being, and one man’s well-bring is usually opposed to another’s (limited supply/unlimited demand), wills constantly conflict. One’s power then is more evident the more he successfully wills that selfish well-being which faces the most conflict, i.e., the more he dominates others.

    Especially in an egalitarian society, dominating others is viewed as wrong, and caring and willing only your own well-being is considered selfish, so these powerful “jerks” face the additional obstacle of widespread envy, repudiation, stigma, etc. Add to the foregoing the non-rationality of instinct — meaning the is/seems distinction is lost due to practical inefficacy, in other words, the cost of determining subtle differences is too expensive long-term — and being a jerk typically is the practical equivalent of being powerful.

    If somehow those jerk traits were commonly understood by women as indicators of weakness, then their attractive power would be lost, since the attraction depends on the inference from jerk to powerful. Thus, “jerk” is just a signal without inherent meaning; girls aren’t attracted to jerkiness. Neither are they attracted to power per se, nor still genetic fitness. Sexual attraction is rooted in optimal reproduction, with “optimal” meaning that sort which, given an environment, would have most effectively reproduced the girl herself. (If you really want to get reductionistic, you’ll have to scrap the idea of attraction altogether, since it necessarily entails an object of attraction “directed at” or “pointed to,” and such intentionality is immaterial — teleology would need to be really inherent in nature, instead of things “just happening,” which still ends up incoherent once uttered or thought.) OK, perhaps that’s too ultimate.

    The upshot is just that a girl will want jerkiness over another trait entirely to the degree she consciously or unconsciously perceives their respective power-signaling. A typical girl’s instinct and reason are on the side of jerkiness, not kindness. The only way to get a girl liking kind or good guys over selfish, proud ones would be to get her to consciously, rationally perceive more power in being kind or good than in being a jerk, together with the inference from nice/good appearance to nice/good reality, e.g., having her view jerkiness as really a character weakness while believing true goodness is evident in good deeds. Such a perception would have to have causal force on her sexuality and sexual attractions, meaning the power of goodness or weakness of jerkiness relate to perception of genetic fitness in her mind as a mere idea AND that her (immaterial?) mind/idea causally interacts with her material-based attraction center (in the brain). Or, another way of putting it: A woman is attracted to goodness over badness to the extent her rationality is sound and controlling, as opposed to illogical or slave to whim/instinct. Cynics will point to common trends and proclaim a victory for despair (“Females are irrational animals!”), but it seems one should note the ultimate justice of it all: A woman will be attracted to someone of approximately equal moral character, since she won’t recognize the truly better (and thus won’t be drawn to it) and won’t want the truly worse (assuming true goodness really is more difficult and demanding than the opposite, “jerkiness” excluded as per its criteria). I’d argue that a similar taste/character synergy exists in males as well. Yes, what you like and desire reveal who you are.

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  57. on February 22, 2010 at 8:29 pm Cyberian without a coat

    Roissy’s response to the man whose friend can’t fuck his way out of a paper bag:

    “Don’t worry about giving her an orgasm… For women, just as much stimulation is gotten from the feeling of being pumped like the submissive animal creature she is as from the actual crest and resolution of a physiological orgasm.”

    Sounds like the wisdom of a premature ejaculator to me. First off, there is no universal method to give every woman an orgasm. Each flower requires its own unique bee’s dance to set the nectar gushing. If you go to it hammering away like an Irish railroad worker, you may impress a few with your prowess, but you’ll find that most will require a bit more creativity you’re going to make their toes curl.

    Or, if you’re like Roissy and find that curling toes and waterfalls are war stories best left to those of us who can do it, you’re probably better off just watching a few pornos and going for quantity of insertions over quality of fucking. Don’t worry, her scathing reviews will probably only be written on the women’s stall–you’ll never see them.

    Or, if you have your heart set on landing Roissy’s ideal female companion (see below), I would recommend buying Hentai porn by the crateload, go to http://www.realdoll.com, and then kiss the possibility of a real, live girlfriend goodbye.

    “29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:
    Tell him how great his cock looks and feels?: +1 point

    30. You think blowjobs are:
    Great! You give them spontaneously and there’s never any doubt how much you enjoy it: +1 point

    31. Do you do anal?
    Yes, and it makes me come to know how much it pleases my man: +1 point

    33. How often do you curse?
    I think I said damn once: +1 point”

    Second, however “faggy” it may be to relate to a woman, is there anything more faggy than relating to a bunch of douchebags online, smearing your masterbatory residue all over your keyboards as you type out the fantasy worlds of how badass you are, for each other? You’ll find more true Casanovas in the women’s shoe department of JC Penny (meaning one or two) than you will on a fucking computer.

    Good luck, boys. I’ll see you at the shoe store.

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  58. on February 22, 2010 at 8:33 pm jm

    We know why the nice guys aren’t scoring; but what of the asshole male jerks that don’t score?
    It isn’t about just being an asshole overall- there is something more to it…

    I’ve noticed this too, and there’s actually an old roissy posts that makes a distinction–that between a “caring” asshole and an “uncaring” asshole, where the former is the asshole who doesn’t score and the latter is the one who does.

    The key difference is that the former asshole communicates that he actively “cares”–perhaps greatly–about eliciting a negative reaction from the girl he’s talking to. His reason for being a jerk is to upset others and bring them down with him, and it is perceived by his interlocutors that he acts this way out of some kind of bitterness and spite.

    The “uncaring” asshole, on the other hand, doesn’t give a shit what people think about his crude comments, brazen antics, and generally narcissistic aura. His reason for being a jerk is to amuse himself and liven his day, whether or not it’s at the expense of others. The uncaring asshole doesn’t come off the at all spiteful, he just acts the way he does because he thinks it’s funny and doesn’t care about who approves or disapproves of him.

    It’s also important to note that the successful asshole will occasionally temper his behavior with an approving comment or compliment to provide some minimal reassurance to his company that he’s just fooling around and not out to hurt their feelings…think of Rodney Dangerfield singling someone out in the audience to make fun of for a few minutes, but then concluding it with “hey, give this guy a hand everybody, he’s alright.”

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  59. on February 22, 2010 at 8:34 pm Cyberian without a coat

    PS — above quote taken from Roissy’s “Dating Market Value Test For Women”.

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  60. on February 22, 2010 at 8:35 pm Anonymous

    Pupu is humbled and overjoyed.

    If only Pupu could leave in this message box a can of green tea, a jar of marmalade and two scoops of ice cream!

    [editor: don’t ever change.]

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  61. on February 22, 2010 at 8:36 pm Natasha F.

    which hollywood starlet do you most resemble? Catherine Zeta-Jones

    [this sounds like the celebrity a woman would choose if she was being less than honest about which female celebrity she looked like. are you, ms natasha, fibbing with me?]

    *******

    Honestly, I’m not as beautiful as she is, cuz if I were, I would be a Hollywood starlet right now. But, also honestly, a guy walking with another guy on the street asked me some years ago, “Did you marry Michael Douglas?” Granted, I was having a good hair day. I said, “whut?” He said, “you look like that actress who married Michael Douglas.” Heh.

    Also — Kristen Kreuk.

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  62. on February 22, 2010 at 8:44 pm Rum

    Lily
    You have it backwards. If women want to influence mens lifestyle choices they must do it with their actual pussies; not with internet rants about what their pussies “really” want.
    I once had a married woman follow me into the bathroom of a pub, lock the door, strip off, and demand fucking before letting me out. That was a moment the truth of which I believed.

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  63. on February 22, 2010 at 8:45 pm mish

    @Jim – yeah I hear you on the inner betaness. Got me thinking though. Alpha and Beta aren’t something you can learn you’re born with it or not. This community teaches Beta’s and pussed out socialized alphas to understand what true Alphas do by nature. With enough learning even the lowest beta can ACT and THINK like the .0001% alpha. But it doesn’t change his genetics it just tricks girls into seeing an elite alpha.

    Not saying elite game learned Betaes aren’t more succesful then BORN alphas in pulling whatever they want, but its still a trick. So when a beta regresses back to his original form you can’t be all that surprised.

    Here’s how I back that up. I presuppose that most womens actions especially in dealing with men, are based on how to find the best genetic mate. All their socialized lessons teach them how to do it. Learning their tests and ways is a way to beat all of this and it is obviously successful, but at the end of the day betas genes are still inferior, you just know how to trick them into thinking you’re wearing Monarchy, but in the end you’re still wearing Lee’s.

    Here’s where I’ll find disagreement though. Sex alone doesn’t pass on genes. I see most people here have been able to bang many very attractive females, but I’m wondering how many successful children any of you have begot from these women. I mean wouldn’t a real alpha find more fulfillment in doing so? A male alpha mates with all the female apes to pass on his genes but endless fucking with no kids doesn’t do that.

    If you doubt ask an old guy who didn’t have any kids how he feels about that now as he sits in a retirement with no one to visit him.

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  64. on February 22, 2010 at 9:06 pm Vince

    Though normally deserved, the writing compliments for this post are undeserved. The part on jerks is almost unreadable.

    As others above have essentially said, women are not attracted to jerks but status; jerkery is an indicator of status. A person who disregards the interests of others, no matter how important, for their own, regardless of how trivial, is a jerk. An overbearing, get-what-I-want personality can also help when it comes to achieving status, but there’s no reason to think it’s the be-all, end-all.

    The James Camerons of the world exist along side the Martin Scorseses.

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  65. on February 22, 2010 at 9:09 pm Vince

    “Did you marry Michael Douglas?” Granted, I was having a good hair day. I said, “whut?” He said, “you look like that actress who married Michael Douglas.” Heh.

    This doesn’t mean anything. And you should see how my game’s improved since then.

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  66. on February 22, 2010 at 9:09 pm Liverlips

    “No, one of the things women love about a jerk is… his jerkiness. And that is why, ladies, you will get more of what you love.”

    This blog should be required reading for every student – male and female – required to take a buffoonish womyn’s studies course in college.

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  67. on February 22, 2010 at 9:24 pm Rum

    Lily
    The ideas you expressed are not completely evil and wrong. I even get the sense that you wish your pussy behaved in the way you describe. I mean, you (and your sisters) would certainly be better off if it were so.
    On one side is observable female behavior. On the other side is fantasy literature and political campaign rhetoric.
    Which one would you recommend a guy to take seriously? Seriously.

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  68. on February 22, 2010 at 9:38 pm PlanetGrok

    Steve Sailer, OneSTDV, and myself have been busy at work codifying the laws of online print.
    I’m proud to announce my latest contribution, Planet Grok’s Law of HBD Blogs:
    http://planetgrok.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/planet-groks-law-of-hbd-blogs/

    If we keep it up, and combine these laws with the plethora of Roissy maxims, we will be able to compile a tome capable of bringing the reader to transcendant gnosis and illumination.

    Does anyone have any other Laws they have discovered?

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  69. on February 22, 2010 at 10:42 pm Prime

    Off topic, here’s some typical Omega behavior: Man makes Love to Picnic Table

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  70. on February 22, 2010 at 10:47 pm BeenThere

    First, hard pumping.
    Then go straight into slow and easy.

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  71. on February 22, 2010 at 10:49 pm Thursday

    Vince @9:06:

    Too true. Status is what women want. Assholery is just one way among many to signal status.

    Case in point: a lot of quality women have left James Cameron.

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  72. on February 22, 2010 at 10:55 pm Tupac Chopra

    LSB:

    To me she’s always come across as sweet… gentle… cute… and very importantly, mysterious…i think she’s just being her balanced sweet self…But it’s veryyyyy interesting. The use of the 3rd person… the short sentences… light short airiness… the cutesey sounding name…her girly frame is very strong…

    I agree that Pupu has her charms. But she seems so reluctant to reveal anything substantial about herself. Such a shame, because she seems like fun.

    Pupu, if you’re reading, I understand your reluctance to share. You once admitted that your use of the third person is a psychological trick to keep this online encounter from being too personalized. I understand that many people put on “masks” to keep their vulnerable inner self from feeling violated. So I have a proposal that you might find agreeable: let’s meet up for drinks sometime. Except, rather than being true to ourselves, we will roleplay! We can stay protected in the shell of our theatrics. We shall don the personae of fanciful characters and create our own little mini-movie as we play our parts with complete conviction. It’ll be fun!

    I’ll be Roosh and you can be Anoukange. Sound good?

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  73. on February 22, 2010 at 11:06 pm ephebophile

    @Thursday

    Case in point: a lot of quality women have left James Cameron.

    That is an assumption, without facts backing it up.
    We do not know if JC was left by the women, or if JC sent them away. I do however, agree that women are status seekers on the majority.

    Inability to hold on to a woman = Beta Male
    Ability to hold on to a number of women = Alpha

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  74. on February 22, 2010 at 11:11 pm Thansus

    I love that PuPu knows how to make graphs better than Roissy.

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  75. on February 23, 2010 at 12:09 am unlearning genius ...

    for all you know pupu could be a porcupine .. stop spraying your shorts for some random online poster .. oh mighty alphas …

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  76. on February 23, 2010 at 12:09 am Mike

    Tragically, for most guys, Game doesn’t kill the inner beta. It covers a multitude of sins, but it doesn’t provide them with enough introspect to make the quantum shift from a beta mindset to an alpha mindset.

    Rollo,

    So what is the key to killing the inner beta once and for all?

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  77. on February 23, 2010 at 1:20 am Vince

    Wow, I like how I criticized Roissy’s writing in a post that used childishly redundant verbiage. Deserved/undeserved??

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  78. on February 23, 2010 at 1:22 am me me me

    Pupu may be all cutesy but I’m all that and a big bag of puppies licking candy apples!

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  79. on February 23, 2010 at 2:53 am play station x

    Sorry, I think email #1 was completely made up. Either that or the mentality of Roissy fans is akin to 14 year olds.

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  80. on February 23, 2010 at 7:44 am Lupo

    @Mike: “So what is the key to killing the inner beta once and for all?”

    Stop being a fucking pussy!

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  81. on February 23, 2010 at 8:25 am SDaedalus

    LSB writes
    Can a man pretend to be emotional bonded to a girl without eventually getting emotionally bonded in reality? I tend to think no.

    LSB, I admire your perky, optimistic, can-do attitude to life & love. But this comment is a bit too Shallow Hal. It reminds me of the suggestion, made in a certain area of the blogosphere, that if men look at enough photos of naked fat women, they will start to find naked fat women attractive. The fact that a lot of people would like this fact to be true (unlimited Cheetos!), doesn’t unfortunately make it true. From your blog, it’s clear you know better.

    Correct answer to your question would be: sometimes (I’m not a total pessimist). It depends on the girl. And the man. And emotional bonding is not always a guarantee of happy ever after anyway.

    A good rule of thumb in tempering one’s optimism that if an anticipated male/female dynamic is the sort of thing that would happen in a Jennifer Aniston/Katherine Heigl film, it’s wish-projection rather than reality.

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  82. on February 23, 2010 at 8:38 am SDaedalus

    In order to avoid any misunderstanding, I want to emphasise that by “naked fat women” above I mean naked women who are obese, not just overweight, and certainly not naked women falling into the “I’ve put on a couple of pounds bringing me up to just under 7 1/2 stone and I feel like a B-List rather than an A-List celebrity” pseudo-fatty class. Although bodily perfection is a worthy aspiration, it’s important not to forget that B-List celebrities are still plenty attractive.

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  83. on February 23, 2010 at 9:02 am PlanetGrok

    “is there really a workout regiment named “gym jones”? i’m smitten. dipset byrdgang capo status freaky juelz santana”

    lmao
    Somebody has been spending a little too much time in the hood.
    It’s just what I needed to be reminded of Dipshit in the morning, thanks for that.

    When I read “gym jones”, I just thought “don’t drink the protein shakes”.

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  84. on February 23, 2010 at 10:23 am Rollo Tomassi

    @Mike, the first step is understanding that there is no key. There is no magic bullet or secret formula. Learning Game will definitely give you the tools and teach you the skills to enrich your life (in many ways) but those tools become liabilities without a foundational shift from a beta mindset to an alpha mindset. I’m not a big Ross Jefferies fan, but he did say something very profound once, he said “teaching PUA skills to these chumps is like giving dynamite to children.” This is very true because the potential for disaster is much higher. Most guys want that magic formula that will get them the girl, but it does nothing to prepare them for the LTR – they don’t become Men, they become children with dynamite.

    The next step is to let go of these useless and self-defeating ego-investments that trap you in a beta mental schema. It takes a LOT more work over time to unlearn the beta. It takes a lot more work to change one’s mind about himself and how he realistically fit into the world that’s been pulled over his eyes.

    This is precisely why guys seek out and pay small fortunes for what they think is the quick-fix of Game. People are lazy. Particularly guys, who are driven by their natural impulses, but chronically meet with disappointment with women. We’d all love to have that magic cure for our biggest failing. Dieters want a pill to make them skinny, bodybuilders want that shortcut to instant muscle mass, we’d all like a fool-proof, get rich quick book that makes us an overnight success, but the truth of the matter is that for a great many things in this life, dedication, perseverance and hard work are necessary elements for that success. In fact the process of developing oneself IS the requirement, but hand out the diploma and all the entitlements that come along with it before you ever go to school and you’re completely unprepared for what’s thrown at you in the real world. PUA skills should be taught for the purpose of killing that inner AFC.

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  85. on February 23, 2010 at 11:34 am Obstinance Works

    As a fellow SSer, I agree with Rollo. Just make yourself a better man and the rest will follow. Set your standards high and you will not be disappointed.

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  86. on February 23, 2010 at 11:39 am xsplat

    Rollo and Obstinance, you seem to be using a lot of words to say precisely nothing.

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  87. on February 23, 2010 at 12:03 pm Colossal

    Also a fellow SSer here.

    A pattern in the PUA community is that we often see men come to the ranks from destitute sexual backgrounds. They work hard, adopt the right mindset and lose the fear of failure; and they find a capability for success they never knew they had. What seems to invariably happen (at least from reading the forums) is that these men slip back into their beta ways once the comfort of an LTR has set in.

    The problem isn’t so much their lack of game, because game got them the girl they presumably wanted. It’s that their development is only unifactorial. It’s like teaching a boy to hunt and kill, but never teaching him how to clean and dress the animal. Once the thrill of the kill has worn off, the overwhelming realization that he doesn’t know what the hell to do next takes over!

    LTRs are a completely different animal than just spearing fish. Game fundamentals do apply, of course, but you aren’t going to keep a girlfriend by negging her every day and being a dickhead. I’m of the opinion that when it comes to committed relationships, *most* men are straight up outclassed. This is women’s home turf, and it is so, so easy to zone out whenever she speaks, stop fucking her hard, and just cruise on autopilot. That is when guys wake up wondering why the hell she has condoms in her purse.

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  88. on February 23, 2010 at 12:29 pm xsplat

    Colosal

    Game fundamentals do apply, of course, but you aren’t going to keep a girlfriend by negging her every day and being a dickhead. I’m of the opinion that when it comes to committed relationships, *most* men are straight up outclassed. This is women’s home turf,

    As with anything, relationships with women is something that you get better with with practice. Game principles apply, because game is about dealing with women. Game principles apply by definition – it’s tautological.

    Most men are outclassed when dealing with women, full stop. We tend to begin taking what women say at face value After experience, we learn their tricks. After more experience, we use these tricks against them, and can stand our own ground. After more experience we outclass women at their own game.

    Yet no matter how good you are, there is never a final conclusion, and you can lose the girl. In relationship, there is no end game.

    There is only game.

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  89. on February 23, 2010 at 12:32 pm Firepower

    Like all other personality traits,
    once Beta has been imprinted
    it is permanent.

    Only modification of an existing (i.e. beta) condition is achievable.

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  90. on February 23, 2010 at 12:41 pm xsplat

    I’m going to disagree with that Firepower. The shift from Beta to Alpha mindset is simple, and anyone can do it. It’s a simple matter of deciding to be selfish.

    All the rest is just a matter of execution.

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  91. on February 23, 2010 at 1:50 pm Firepower

    xsplat

    I’m going to disagree with that Firepower. The shift from Beta to Alpha mindset is simple…

    Understood, xsplat.

    Much of the mass-hallucination of Game stems from its seeming success of the tried-and-true “every guy can do it” strategy used for years by advertisers and Hollywood.

    Like those electric ab exercisers. Even beta movies where the dork gets the hot cheerleader.

    Delusion is best kept alive when both parties wish it so. The gurus for the money, the disciples, for the hope.

    The Delusion has its roots in the “too simple to be believed!” ploy that all it took, was being an asshole. The whole “right under our noses ALL this time!” shocker of revelation that we truly, indeed had the secret within our grasp the whole time, it just took a clever decoder to unlock our true and noble self.

    If, it were truly so simple an objective, the case would be closed. I wouldn’t have my inbox flooded with new, daily outrageous claims of “new discovered secret methods” from annoying MPUAS and budding, charlatanistic gurus.

    I see your point of transforming from unselfish to selfish behavior, but I pose that being taught to “share n’ care” from childhood onward is the very imprinting so hard to defuse. A leopard can’t change its spots.

    I was always curious about Style’s thoughts at having lost his ideal woman – that band chick. He seems like a cool guy. His inner thoughts in The Game were what kept me reading all those many pages; it would be revealing to see his current stance.

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  92. on February 23, 2010 at 3:09 pm xsplat

    The reason I’m of the leopard can change his spots school, is that from personal experience neuroplasticity is very real. Within a few years new habits can heavily influence personality.

    All schools of meditation are based on this concept. Anyone who’se meditated regularly will report ongoing mental and personality changes. Buddhism teaches the fake it till you make it school of empathy and compassion. Yes, it really does work. And from personal experience as a deeply involved Buddhist, I can tell you that a person can decide to change from other oriented to self oriented. I can’t extrapolate from a study of one regarding learning selfishness, but as the Buddhist schtick seems so successful in the reverse, I see no reason why the reverse reverse won’t also work. You can convert a socialist to free market thinking.

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  93. on February 23, 2010 at 3:13 pm xsplat

    It’s about habits, and the deeply imprinting actions we take. Here is my proposed action for all want to be masters of their destiny with women to take. It’s rather simple, and should be done several times, preferably with different girls. When she won’t leave your apartment when you want them to (for whatever reason – maybe you have another date, or maybe she’s being weird), forcibly remove her. Carry her out the door.

    Even if you are living full time with the girl.

    That’s a rather severe thing to do. Doing it even once will change your self conception. Doing it several times and getting overal positive feedback will permanently alter you.

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  94. on February 23, 2010 at 3:16 pm xsplat

    From that action grows a mindset, and it’s a feedback loop. Selfishness can be learned and earned.

    Most men would be amazed – absolutely fucking god damned holy shit amazed at what crossing the ultimate shit test that a woman will pull will actually do.

    Amazed.

    It’s counter intuitive to the extreme – but only at first. After that your intuition learns to work very differently.

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  95. on February 23, 2010 at 5:03 pm JB

    “I see your point of transforming from unselfish to selfish behavior, but I pose that being taught to “share n’ care” from childhood onward is the very imprinting so hard to defuse.”

    Imprinting isn’t the only thing in your psyche. There’s also experience, and ability to reflect on it and form wisdom. You’re not a robot playing out a program. One can experiment with different interpersonal approaches without fear.

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  96. on February 23, 2010 at 9:04 pm PhillyBoy81

    “The next step is to let go of these useless and self-defeating ego-investments that trap you in a beta mental schema. It takes a LOT more work over time to unlearn the beta.”

    What the hell are y’all talking about? First, this dude, Rollo whatever, sounds way too old to be talking about this kind of ish. And Roissy is way too old to be talkin’ this ish. Rule of thumb, fellas: YOU ARE TOO OLD TO BE TRYING TO MAKE GIRLS LIKE YOU. And you’re too old to undergo some personality transformation. Women either get down or lay down. It’s that simple. If they don’t, hey, just keep it movin.

    And to the bull Goldenseed, who was talking about the chick not eating out of his hand, all I can say is that that’s the game baby boy. As Jay-Z once said,

    Why you home alone, why she out with me?
    Room 112, hotel balcony
    How she say Jay you can call the house for me?
    There’s no respect at all
    You betta check her dawg
    She keep beggin’ me to hit it raw
    So she can have my kids and say it was yours
    How foul is she? And you wifed her
    Shit, I put the rubber on tighter
    Sent her home, when she entered home
    You hugged her up
    What the fuck is up?
    She got you whipped, got your kids
    Got your home, but THAT’S NOT YOUR B*TCH
    You share that girl, don’t let ’em hear daddy Earl
    It’ll make ’em sick that his favorite chick
    Ain’t saving it, unfaithful bitch

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  97. on February 23, 2010 at 10:04 pm PhillyBoy81

    You guys really need to listen to more rap music. If you want to be on some real grimy sh*t, you need to get your mind right. I recommend any Too $hort album, Snoop’s Doggy Style, and any Jay-Z album between 1996 and 2001. And for the record, it’s not called “acting alpha.” The sh*t is called MACKING. And second, if you really want to have a macking mindset, you have got to start calling these hoes “women” and “girls.” You gotta call them B*TCHES. Just say it. It’s liberating.

    “It takes a n*gga that’s hard from the start, you gotta have heart, to meet a b*tch, mack her then rip her apart.” -8Ball

    “My heart’s cold like an assassin, I got no passion, and no patience, so hoe get your a$$ in and let’s ride.” -Jay-Z

    “Cause if I ain’t sharp and heartless, then b*tches will start sh*t, excuse me but this is where we part b*tch.” – 2Pac

    “F*ck b*tches, f*ck b*tches, f*ck b*tches, get money, get money, get money” – Lil’ Wayne

    “We don’t love dem hoes.” -Snoop

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  98. on February 23, 2010 at 10:33 pm Anonymous

    xsplat says, “The shift from Beta to Alpha mindset is simple, and anyone can do it. It’s a simple matter of deciding to be selfish.”

    Yup, as Sly Stallone said in Rambo III: “Fuck ’em!”

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  99. on February 23, 2010 at 10:42 pm PhillyBoy81

    A good example of “alpha” behavior. Take notes, kiddos.

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  100. on February 24, 2010 at 1:06 am maurice

    @xsplat:

    deeply involved Buddhist

    really? REALLY? doesn’t sound like you’ve chosen a lifestyle with the renunciation of will and desire at its center. I am not judging – it’s an awesome lifestyle in its way – but it’s not exactly consistent with the teachings of the Buddha, is it?

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  101. on February 24, 2010 at 1:44 am xsplat

    Maurice, I had self identified as Buddhist for a while. Lived in a monastery, lived in forest retreats, lived in meditation centers, the whole works. I no longer have an ist to tack onto my belief system. But as ists go, it’s a good one I’d recommend, especially for the meditation instruction.

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  102. on February 24, 2010 at 8:32 am An Unbeliever

    As so often with your writing, your ‘women don’t care about having orgasms’ thing contains a tiny acorn of genuine and startling truth – which has sprouted a great big fuck off tree of misogynistic bullshit.

    It’s a very good thing you don’t want a long term relationship, or anything beyond one night stands. Because the women you pride yourself on “pumping and dumping” almost certainly don’t want to see your sexually inept ass ever again either.

    I’d say you were the sexual version of London’s Aberdeen Angus steakhouses. Nobody in their right mind ever goes to one twice, but the managers don’t give a shit – as there’s always a fresh coachload of hungry foreign suckers who don’t read restaurant reviews and are blissfully unaware of what awaits them.

    If you ever change your mind about not wanting a long term relationship, you’re going to find it one hell of a lot harder than you so complacently assume. Dollars to doughnuts you couldn’t entice any of your conquests into bed a second time round if you paid ’em…

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  103. on February 24, 2010 at 9:45 am Roger

    What are the odds that Roissy wrote the first one himself? I’d say at least 50-50.

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  104. on February 24, 2010 at 11:50 am anonymous

    Women seek LTRs with men they respect. They respect the underlying intellect, genuineness, humor, morality, income and status.
    Both alphas and betas fail at LTR when they are not respected.

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  105. on February 24, 2010 at 12:06 pm J R

    re: an unbeliever

    i love the drive-by attacks from random feminists. they always contain the following: charges of misoygyny, check; insults about small penis size and/or poor sexual performance, check; assumptions that guy’s interested in game are only looking for one-night stands, check; assumption that all women who’ve ever been with a guy like roissy walk away feeling used and having deep regrets, check. there’s nothing more satisfying than seeing people respond to characterizations in a manner that only prroves the characterization was correct in the first place.

    of course all of this is nonsense. ask any guy with a fair amount of experience with women. most will tell you that despite what the “unbelievers” say, the stronger and more unmerciful your game the stronger and more positive the female reaction. in fact, almost every time that i’ve had a girl suddenly start to have negative feelings about me, it’s been precisely because i let myself go soft and started acting beta. if there are guys out there who can testify to great success with frequent acts of beta kindness, i would love to hear about it.

    for all you guys who read this and wonder how serious to take roissy’s advice, you have to understand that woman have many incentives to never fully admit, either to themselves or outloud, to exactly the sorts of things that attract them to men. the less the average guy knows about attraction, the more capital the average girl has in the sexual marketplace. and the less a woman admits her attraction to jerks, the longer she can hold on to an image of herself as a supremely kind, compassionate and non-judgmental soul.

    unbeliever, women like you – i am assuming that you are female, but could be wrong – claim that your problem with guys like roissy is that he judges you all as skanks. it’s not ture. what you really object to is that roissy is essentially preaching that you should treat women with as much respect, care and fidelity as their actions demand. in my experience, i’ve found that the worst thing you can do to people is to treat them exactly how they are asking to be treated.

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  106. on February 24, 2010 at 12:24 pm PlanetGrok

    “You guys really need to listen to more rap music. ”

    No. We don’t. While female attraction is based on primal male behavior, no one here is after the kind of ‘ladies’ who go for the kind of overtly primitive behavior prominently displayed by the atavistic, mentally impaired, knuckle dragging rap ‘artists’ you mention like Plies and Snoop Dogg.

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  107. on February 24, 2010 at 12:26 pm PlanetGrok

    But women DO love a strong male ass: http://planetgrok.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/women-like-ass-too/

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  108. on February 24, 2010 at 12:27 pm Firepower

    It would seem the Game application of Buddhist concepts & teachings work best on those brought up with a similar philosophy or religion.

    The West (and its version of Game) has little in common with the East and its religion. Religion, here, is fading, as is its best virtue: the concept of salvation and redemption. That core belief that it’s never too late and any wrong can be fixed.

    It’s curious, how Game is taking on the feel of its own religion.

    Perhaps Buddhist-type foundations are the best starting points for selfishness training, but that poses another quandary as it goes against basic Buddhist tenets.

    JB

    Imprinting isn’t the only thing in your psyche.

    True, but an engine isn’t the only thing in a car – it’s the most important.

    Imprinting is precisely that – an indelible stamp on a road map. I imagine successfully transforming the game psyche into automatic behavior would be as like training oneself to truly enjoy a food one hates. Take peas, for example – or some exotic fried sheep’s eyes that Andrew Zimmern enjoys.

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  109. on February 24, 2010 at 12:51 pm xsplat

    I imagine successfully transforming the game psyche into automatic behavior would be as like training oneself to truly enjoy a food one hates.

    Neuroplasticity is a habit. You need to cultivate the habit of avoiding habits, and of regularly changing up habits. Moving to new places regularly. Not getting stuck in routines. Learning new languages, dating new girls, doing new jobs. If one cultivates the habit of personal change, it becomes a habit to change.

    Talk to anyone who practices this life philosophy – and there are plenty who do – and ask them how it has affected their lives.

    It may be true that neuroplasticity doesn’t happen for many. Not all meditators, no matter how much effort, are able to achieve the more subtle states of awareness. And not all students of math will get a good grasp on trigonomics. But for anyone with above average self awareness and intelligence, they’ve got a great shot at substantial personal change. Especially if you are younger than twenty-five or older than 60. The time between those ages has less neuroplasticity and the personalty doesn’t change as much.

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  110. on February 24, 2010 at 12:59 pm Chi-town

    @PlanetGrok

    I agree since when does being “alpha” boil down to nihilism? Its just doing what you want and basically being a man. One either acquiesces to social pressure or they create it. You certainly don’t want to do what women want just because they tell you to do it. Beta is being ruled by women. If your a breast only man that might work out.

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  111. on February 24, 2010 at 1:50 pm Firepower

    xsplat

    You need to cultivate the habit of avoiding habits, and of regularly changing up habits. Moving to new places regularly. Not getting stuck in routines. Learning new languages, dating new girls, doing new jobs. If one cultivates the habit of personal change, it becomes a habit to change.

    There is a fundamental level of difference between training oneself to eat sheep eyes and paint thinner. I’m not being flippant.

    I appreciate the thoroughness of your explanation, but the process is too much a fabrication – literally too contrived – for me to consider it nothing but an extreme form of shock therapy to disguise the mind out of its imprinted stamp.

    If a traumatic experience changes perception, then that is potentially valid. Trying to re-create trauma (without the trauma) on one’s own is but a diluted, transitory substitute.

    Whereas I agree “people can change” we differ in the degree necessary to inspire an abiding change.

    Truth leaks out. Style lost his dream girl – even imbued with the formidable tools forged from nothing.

    I am skeptical a guy in a striking cat-in-the-hat chapeau can affect more than just the brilliant among us.

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  112. on February 24, 2010 at 2:43 pm xsplat

    Well, perhaps we are disagreeing in degree, not kind. I’m emphasising that given inspiration and dedication and continuous application of new habit, a personality can change. You’re emphasising that we have traits that stay relatively fixed.

    For practical purposes of attracting women, I’m sure we can agree that a good deal of improvement is possible for most of us.

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  113. on February 24, 2010 at 5:00 pm Brains In Jars

    Ryan and jm, very intelligent posts!

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  114. on February 25, 2010 at 10:14 am Obstinance Works

    The Rap industry is controlled by leftist elitist whites who want to destroy black culture for personal gain. Rap is mostly unrealistic bullshit. 9 of 10 blacks murdered are killed by other blacks.

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