I was sitting at one of my favorite social venues when a disturbance behind me erupted. A woman had just arrived and greeted her mixed group of friends with an exaggeratedly pronounced “Hiiii!!!” All the women already sitting at the table, and the couple of men who were with them, replied nearly in unison with an even louder and prolonged “Hiiiiii!!!”. The “Hiiii!!” was annoying beyond belief; a sing-song-y, off-key yenta battle cry. It’s hard to describe the sound of a spoken word, but imagine a musical “Hi” divided into two notes with the accent (upbeat) on the first note (Hii-) followed languorously by a longer downbeat on the second whole note (-iiiiiiii), spoken in adagio and fortissimo. Would a girl saying “Hi” like this sound phony? Yes!
It’s pretty common knowledge that DC stands at the top in per capita phoniness. There is a higher density of phoniness per square mile here than even in vaunted phony cities like New York. The whole reason of DC’s existence is to persuade other people to throw money, perks, or props your way, so a finely developed skill in the art of phoniness is a requirement before stepping in the ring. But this latest incarnation of phoniness is breathtaking even to a jaded cynic like myself. And these were not teen girls. They were grown-ass women with non-profit jobs and rich daddies to pay their exhorbitant rents.
To all the girls reading this post who greet each other and their gay best boyfriends this way, I ask: Are you *really* that happy to see your friends whom you just saw last week? Or is phoniness the new black? Maybe you think the phony Hi and the accompanying fake phony smile are supposed to be feminine, but I assure you, it is not. Fingernails on a chalkboard? Yes. Feminine? No. I’ll go out on a limb here and hypothesize that girls who are fakers when greeting people are also fakers in bed.
Here’s what I think is going on. The thuper duper edge community gay culture and the girly follower female culture have fused and become as one — a vortex of caricatured, trannyfied pseudofemininity spewing nebulae of jutting manjaws, wildly faggy gesticulations, and conversations that sound downright operatic. It is a vortex of suckage that any straight man would find baffling, which come to think of it, may be the point. But I can definitely tell you what it is *not*. It’s not attractive. This illustrates another great dividing line between the sexes — our respective reactions to phoniness. In general, men loathe phonies. Women cherish the company of phonies, and embrace the phony scene with gusto. Without phonies in their lives, women would have nothing to be catty about behind closed doors.
There is a powerful feeback loop in effect when girls and gays join forces. Where does this great culture meld between city girls and city gays end?



Half the moves in men’s figure skating look like reach arounds.

Maybe that’s why my friend’s brother, who’s a figure skater, pulls hot girls all the time? I thought he was gayer than Christmas.
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what’s a reach around?
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Phoniness cancels out hotness. A bullshit exterior is a red flag.
Come to think of it, the same happens when she needs to insert a “like” or “um” or “ah” between every third word.
You know if she’s fake with her friends, she’s telling you lies and certainly creating false drama to smear your good name.
Not to be tolerated. Ever.
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I’ve had several female friends try to train me to give phony compliments the way women do, as in “Your new hair cut is so cute; I love your shoes.” One friend called this “training to be a good husband, someday.”
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“Half the moves in men’s figure skating look like reach arounds”
Full Metal Jacket reference.
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This is A material. I love it.
I observe this phoney girl shit all the time. Many of my friends in town are married, and or are trying to get married. All their wives when together hit that high note. Hiiiiiiiiiii; then hug ; then comment on clothes ; then talk about the foodstuffs they brought over and how long it took to make.
The girls always emit waves of fakeness. It makes me cringe. I know some girls who are much more laid back, and would never act this way. So much more sexy and mysterious.
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With one group of friends I hang out with, one of the chicks started this HIIII! screech and everyone does it now when they see her. I do it to mock her, and she even acknowledges this, but she says it’s OK, that she just likes that I do it.
This is the same girl I went out with one time, experienced the worst kiss I’ve ever had the displeasure of receiving, and never called her again.
She’s one of the most popular girls I know, for various reasons, but she’s also probably the fakest girl I know.
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The “‘Hi!’ Contest” is social competition
to evaluate who’s greeting is dominant.
Curious, how Manjaws proliferate at near greater rate as sissyeyeliner boys.
It’s as if testosterone is being eradicated in urban settings.
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Sissy attraction happens when a woman is pregnant. However, with the advent of the pill, women’s brains now think they are pregnant all the time, giving rise to the emo culture and wearing of women’s pants. No, thank you, I’d prefer not to reverse that vasectomy, thanks.
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Without phonies in their lives, women would have nothing to be catty about behind closed doors.
Heh.
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“Sissy attraction happens when a woman is pregnant. ”
Really? I never heard this before (I’m not being an asshole, I’m genuinely curious).
Where did you get this?
“It’s as if testosterone is being eradicated in urban settings.”
I theorize it’s the veganism that is causing it – all those soy phytoestrogens have turned entire cities into urbanized wusses.
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“It’s as if testosterone is being eradicated in urban settings.”
Perhaps it’s an evolutionary/social response to the density of urban living – bunch of high-T savages running around in such close quarters would have murdered the shit out of each other.
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What do we know about which activities foster testerone, and which lower it?
Marriage lowers it.
Having your football team win a match raises it.
Let’s extrapolate that co-operation lowers testosterone, and that competition raises it.
What else?
Weight training raises it.
Living a mostly intellectual lifestyle lowers it.
So from this it would follow that a society of cubicle drones would be a low T society.
Add to that soy, and the anti-machismo effects of the war on all forms of male power, and you get the androgynyzed male. Androcentric socieity.
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vivid poeticization
im all for the faggotry
approximate aesthetics; if you lop off the right side of the male bell curve (gays) and the left side of the female bell curve (lesbians) you are left with a higher PQOL (pussy quality of life) as a straight man.
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What a coincidence. As I walked home through Dupont Circle yesterday I had my own Holden Caulfield moment. Phony is exactly the right word to describe the people who live in this city. I assume that whatever job Roissy does here pays well – well enough to anesthetize him against the unrelenting awfulness of this place. DC is such a shithole. I can’t wait to leave.
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Sans reacharound
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What do we know about which activities foster testerone, and which lower it?
Marriage lowers it.
Having your football team win a match raises it.
Let’s extrapolate that co-operation lowers testosterone, and that competition raises it.
What else?
Weight training raises it.
Living a mostly intellectual lifestyle lowers it.
So from this it would follow that a society of cubicle drones would be a low T society.
Add to that soy, and the anti-machismo effects of the war on all forms of male power, and you get the androgynized male. Androcentric socieity.
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What are the differences between a “phony” city and a “real” city?
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That chick on the left of the fruit in the first photo looks like she would be a straight up trooper in bed.
The girl on the right looks like she’s one of Denise Romano’s peeps.
The second photo makes me want to vomit.
I didn’t examine the third photo.
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What’s with the comments getting constantly eaten?
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I think it ends with Jack Donovan.
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And I thought I was the only one in DC who noticed all the rich 25-35ish single women living off their fathers’ money while working at non-profits trying to tell me how to live.
You can hear their biological clocks ticking away though and their tears taste like victory.
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On the birth control/feminine men connection, read this:
There are other articles detailing the connection as well.
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Also, don’t forget the sheer amount of plastic surrounding us. The bisphenol-A research is some scary shit.
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The rise of female “man jaws” and feminization of men seems to point to everyone reaching the same horemonal equilibrium regardless of sex. Scary.
But as to drama – girls are into drama from an early age – theater, playing dress up, etc., etc.
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Come to think of it, the same happens when she needs to insert a “like” or “um” or “ah” between every third word.
Add ‘uptalking’ to that. Definitely a dealbreaker
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Q: Oh, and what do gay horses eat?
A: Heeeeyyyyyyyyy!!!!
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YES YES YES Roissy!
This has been one of my pet peeves. EVERY single fricking woman I know under the age of 65 has a serious liking for the gays. Gay culture, gay values, gay phoniness, gay views on sexuality, gay emphasis on fashion and the rest of that BS.
It is even worse, because women divide men into two (unlike Caesar’s Gaul which had three parts). Men are either the top-flight Alpha A-holes that get them all stimulated and excited, and lustful, or they are the gay best friends who will fashion shop and do weird exhibitionistic things devoid of any testosterone or manliness whatsoever.
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Roissy,
If you think DC is phony, never come to Toronto. While the phenomenon is mostly limited to the condo circuit within the city, the suburban region – i.e. the 905 area code, infuse the core with these plastics and their mangina boyfriends on a daily basis. All these bitches ever talk about is their weddings, shoes, purses and granite countertops.
Combine that with a general antisocial/fearful atmosphere where even making eye contact is considered a crime, and I’m amazed anyone here hooks up. It’s no wonder that it’s the top city in the world for online dating, which ironically enough – everyone lies about.
So… it’s creepy to meet someone in a bar/public transit/on the street, but less so while handing over control to their online persona?
Albeit – the hipster circuit here is a relatively safe refuge. People will punch you for doing the ‘HiiiiIIIiiii’, especially if there is hockey on or a good band in the background.
Cheerios compadre – keep preaching the goods.
EP
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Uh, no. LA is orders of magnitude more phony than DC. The government may have a parasitic role to the rest of the country, but people here, despite a certain unavoidable amount of posing, tend to be deadly earnest about what they do. Maybe too much so. A little detached irony and self-deprecating humor in DC would do the city, and the country, a lot of good.
The gay-female SATC axis of evil is a funny observation. Females value artifice, men don’t. Falsity vs truth. Waspishness vs sincerity. “Les Liaisons Dangereuses” vs. “Saving Private Ryan”.
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The thuper duper edge community gay culture and the girly follower female culture have fused and become as one
To be fair, you seem to hang out at Tryst and other AM, Dupont, U-street locations a lot. That is exactly where trendy meets gay (ore the remnants of what has moved on to H street).
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I agree with Maurice on the seriousness of DC. I like it here, and DC will be my U.S. base for the foreseeable future, but man, people need to lighten the fuck up in this town. When people ask about my job within seconds of meeting me, I never, ever give them a straight answer anymore. And I have a pretty cool job that people find interesting….
Where I come from, you can talk to somebody all night and never ask them about their job, because nobody fucking cares what you do during the day. You leave work at 5:00 and forget about it until the next morning.
Telling girls about your job (or hearing about their job) is as fun as explaining the logical consistency of your political ideology…..
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Uh, as usual this is like 40% truth. There are some reasons for liking of le gay culture, but most of the ladies I know aren’t cheerleading to be as sexually free as their dear gay boyfriend, but rather envious of their cavalierness.
Sadly, I must agree. Too many bright nerds who take themselves seriously in DC to compete with LA or NYC on phoniness.
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Men getting pussified. Women becoming masculinized. Soon we will merge into a race of unisex runway models. Shoot me now.
I don’t know what it is, but that girl on the left in the first picture sure looks like she knows what to do to a man.
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Talking about men, clothes and food with one’s girlfriends is one of the joys of being a woman and having girlfriends. Sheesh. I don’t care if you don’t like my tone. This is not your conversation.
As for the gays, they are owed a debt by aspiring PUAs. Grooming, fitness, hygiene, the glorification of youth and sexual pleasure über alles. Sound familiar, fruitcake?
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The sky is blue, the sun rises in the east and women are phony.
The real question is: Why are women more phony than before?
My answer: Because they can get away with it!
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The reason they hang out together is because they all like dick.
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The “Hiiiii” thing reminds me of back in the day when “Whazzuuuuuuuuuupppp” was so popular with guys. How fake…guys bellowing manly wazzups to each other for minutes on end… when they are really p -i mean- wussies inside! 😉 (Joking btw, lol)
When people act pretentiously loud and chummy in public, yeah it looks like it’s more for attention. Fakeeee
But… sometimes exagerrated “Hiiiis” are an inside joke among friends. Like a secret handshake or whatever… Some friends and I have our own secret codese language we talk to each other. It’s meant in fun, not snobery… well ok the point is to kind of exclude others, in a nice way 😉 But if someone is cool they get to learn the code (ooooo, not, lol)
Also… some of us are dorkettes who get really, really excited by the little things. I’ve done the loud “hiiiii” when I randomly ran into a childhood friend in a foreign capital… crazy yet awesome coincidence. (Felt embarassed about our screams right after tho)
It sucks when morose so-called “real” people act like being impressed by pretty flowers, or jumping and xoxo-ing your boyf. when he returns from a trip, somehow makes you dumb or “faking.” Yeah it should be toned down depending on the situation but maybe you are overwhelmed by emotion and don’t notice…
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I think this goes along with the whole valley girl accent among the younger girls. That’s the main reason I don’t hit on more undergrads in this place. Cute faces, but that accent makes me flaccid.
In defense of New York, it’s the immigrants from other parts of the country that make it phony. It’s probably the same in DC. I have news for everyone from Smalltown, USA currently living in New York. Real New Yorkers will NEVER consider you a New Yorker. You people have no fucking idea what this city is really like.
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By the way about this idea of inauthenticity… Fake peoople are everywhere social climbers are found. There seems to be a big correlation between social climbing/ambition and fake personalities.
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I recall being coached by my girlfriend back in the day to say things like “I feel this way”. I told her that I felt speaking like that was an invitation to splintery plunger handle ass rape.
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@mememe: A reacharound is when the top jerks the bottom off during anal sex. Jeez. Don’t they teach you people anything these days?
I suggest that a certain amount of the popularity of gay guys is that they’re really hot. I mean, think about it logically: men in our society are more physically motivated, while women tend to be more personality motivated. If gay guys don’t maintain themselves, then they’re in the same condition as an aging overweight makeupless woman. And women can still enjoy an aesthetic appreciation.
I wonder how much of the annoyance about femme boys in eyeliner on this blog is misplaced envy for the hot girls they get while the commentor is stuck with a 6…
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Anise,
If it’s “your conversation,” then stop screeching it all over the place and carry it at conversation level, like a civilized person. If you invite others into your conversation with an earth-shattering yenta battlecry (very apt description, Roissy), then expect it to be publicly displayed for shame, as intrusive and offensive behaviours should be.
As for the “debt” to the gay community:
– Grooming: Shaving and combing is something men have been doing for quite a long time. Everything else is accessory and unnecessary.
– Fitness: What? Heavy manual work that builds strong bodies has always been the province of men. What exactly is owed to the gays? Hipster gyms with rows of fitness machines and knee-shattering, muscle-destroying aerobic shit?
– Hygiene: Sanitary conditions improving and hygiene standards rose from the early 19th century as our knowledge of microbes and the human body improved. I have no idea what you’re going on about here.
– The glorification of youth and sexual pleasure über alles: Men have wanted to fuck young, hot women as often as humanly possible for hundreds of thousands of years. Curiously, we still do today, no matter what the aging sisterhood of mid-thirties career women with cats says about it. But hey, it’s okay for the gays, let’s just shame the men for wanting young women since that’s creepy, right?
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An other thing about fem-phoniness:
Why do women fake orgasms ?
Because they think men care.
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What if the fake people aren’t fake at all? What if their is nothing underneath the public masc? What if they are not merely shallow, but have no there there?
Many people have a surprising lack of ego. A surprising lack of a consistent self that’s independent of peer pressure. Women especially. Fickle? Nope – they never had a self to change with the circumstances to begin with. Their self is circumstancial. Weak egos.
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Um, am I the only guy to have noticed that the chick in the white top in the first photo is fairly bangable?
Anyone??
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It’s one of my basic theorems of reality that American women are inexorably becoming gay men.
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But what you guys call “alpha” is also gay, gay, gay…the kind of loudmouth prick who’d get beaten up in any still-macho place/bar if he mouthed off the way you guys say you should.
Roissy’s “alpha” = cubicle-bitch by day, loud-mouth preening faggot by night. Don’t let the fact that you push other cubicle bitches out of your way in DC cocktail bars go to your heads.
Masculine societies where real alphas exist don’t tolerate your idea of “alpha,” try this shit in the Arab world, South America, or parts of the Midwest or South you’ll get the shit beaten out of you. A panty-sniffing loud-mouth is not an “alpha.”
You can only do your schtick within the prissy/gay culture you’re talking about, and of which you’re also part.
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RMM – No shaming here. Gay ways are a good influence on the shlubby modern straight man. Get yours and look good doing it. Everything they’re already doing, straight men are trying to reclaim. While bashing them. Stop it.
And don’t forget your manscaping 😉
BYYYYEEEEE
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Anonymouses Anonymous
http://media.masslive.com/sports_impact/photo/aptopix-vancouver-olympics-figure-skating-9976d40e199730b0_large.jpg
Evan Lysacek
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whiskey
YES YES YES Roissy!
Looks like it’s time to change your undies, whiskey.
It is even worse, because women divide men into two (unlike Caesar’s Gaul which had three parts). Men are either the top-flight Alpha A-holes that get them all stimulated and excited, and lustful, or they are the gay best friends who will fashion shop and do weird exhibitionistic things devoid of any testosterone or manliness whatsoever.
So where does that leave a poor boy like you?
All the women want Alpha bad boy sociopaths for sex and prissy gay guys for shopping and gossip and friendship.
Well, at least there’s always re-runs of Buffy the Vampire Slayer for ya whiskey. *sigh*
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Anise, get a clue. I don’t care what gay men do, or bash _them_.
Now, armed with this knowledge, go read my post again.
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Any thoughts on my latest post? about spanking women..
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Speaking of men’s figure skating looking teh ghey….
http://shoeblogs.com/2010/02/22/ode-to-the-olympic-mens-ice-skating-silver-medalist/
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LOL.
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It has always been my theory that men are like houses and women are like new cars. A house appreciates over the years while a new car loses 30% of its value as soon as it’s driven off the lot and it becomes worth less with every mile that’s put on it. Sure, there are exceptions for the rare classic car, but mostly cars just fall apart. And who the hell wants to deal with a car that requires expensive maintenance every month? Houses, on the other hand, tend to keep their value as they mature and the landscape grows in. I remember when I got my first job out of college in 1999 and I started climbing the company ladder. I had my heart set on a Porsche, but even after I got it I was constantly looking for something even faster and more beautiful to drive.
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Gays as a model for straight men? Let me off at the next stop.
Gays have a problem, much like kids with attention deficit disorders or people with handwashing neuroses or stutterers,, etc. Some subtle brain miswiring leading to maladaptive behavior.
Behavior that leads to functional sterility and a high rate of VD, including lethal HIV, is maladaptive, no matter what anybody says.
But, I have noticed that since I got back into shape, the gay men starting hitting on me again. So, they have good taste, I guess.
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“What if the fake people aren’t fake at all? What if their is nothing underneath the public masc? What if they are not merely shallow, but have no there there?
Many people have a surprising lack of ego. A surprising lack of a consistent self that’s independent of peer pressure. Women especially. Fickle? Nope – they never had a self to change with the circumstances to begin with. Their self is circumstancial. Weak egos.”
Very astute. I’ve noticed a “homogenization of personality” of sorts among people of both sexes these days – the women are generally carbon copies of each other, but so are many of the men.
Lots and lots of people walking around nowadays are mindless, robotic drones who actually enjoy just going through the motions in every aspect of their lives. Consider, for instance, the people working at just about any large business in America right now. Why do all these businesses have hundreds and hundreds of mindless paper pushers whose presence appears to add nothing of value to the overall operation? Hell, you could probably fire half the employees of any given major business and it wouldn’t affect getting things done one iota.
Your last point is interesting also. Have many people chosen to adapt to constant societal change by dropping their personalities/egos altogether?
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@Joel
Given the persistence of homosexuality over time and its appearance in other species, there’s really two solid possbilities for its existence:
(A) it is the manifestation of some easily-induced mutation. That is, some gene/cells mis-replicate during some point in fetal or neonatal development, and viola! Your teh gay. There’s a similar theory about maladaptive mental illnesses, like schizophrenics (you’d think that gene line would have died out, right?)
(B) there is a positive reproductive outcome associated with homosexuality that we do not fully understand yet. For example, there is evidence that gay men are more commonly younger/youngest siblings, particularly for large families. Perhaps women evolved so that after popping out a few squealing half-clones they are more likely to produce a kid who won’t himself propagate those same selfish-genes, but who will devote some portion of his resources to protecting and promoting those genes within his siblings/nieces/nephews. Essentially, it could be an evolutionary strategy that harnesses our kin-preferring behavior.
Oh, and your comment about VDs/HIV is just being a douche. If heterosexual women shared heterosexual men’s sex drive [biological imperative to bone as many fertile-looking members of the opposite sex as possible], you can damn well bet we’d have screwed our species into HIV-driven extinction long ago.
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“Gay ways are a good influence on the shlubby modern straight man. Get yours and look good doing it. Everything they’re already doing, straight men are trying to reclaim. While bashing them. Stop it.”
How many gays are there in the world, anyway? What percentage of the US population is gay? 3-5%, I’ve read? So why do I constantly have to hear about gay this and gay that, gay marriage and gay LGBT queer transsexual bullshit all day long when they account for such a tiny sliver of the population? Why the hell do gays think they have the right to influence public discourse and policy so heavily when so fucking few of them exist? Be gay if you want to, I don’t fucking care – but why do I need to hear about it all the fucking time?
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yay, great post. Now I notice the HIIIIs much more than before. Great job, Roissy, in ruining my mood.
HR women tend to be like that… fake. I think they must hate themselves for having a crappy job and put on a fake attitude. After a while, the fakeness remains with nothing behind it.
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Spot-on post, giving words to vague notions that have pinged around in my own mind for some time.
” They were grown-ass women with non-profit jobs and rich daddies to pay their exhorbitant rents”………thats distilling so much that is wrong with America down to one sentence.
What the FUCK is it with this non-profit bullshit? Those “non-profits” use loopholes in tax laws to pay their brass way more than they are worth, and fund tons of office-gals sitting on their asses while imposing their causes upon the rest of the republic. The Obamessaih has no doubt bailed a bunch of these non-profits in his non-stimulis-shill-bill, keeping ships that need to sink afloat. Never have so many people gotten paid, made no appreciable wealth, and served no real charitable end than at these bullshit non-profits.
My favorite non-profit is a agiti-prop factory in D.C. called “THE CARBON WAR ROOM”. The whole thing is about some hackneyed carbon-trading scheme and manufacturing propaganda against carbon-dioxide, the stuff that polar bears, birds, hamsters (even Richard Gere’s), dogs, cats, bugs and people breathe out and that all vegetation (even algae at the very bottom of the food chain in our oceans) breathe in. Its actually precious stuff that all life on the planet needs in a symbiotic way, keeping everything alive. They tin-can it as a pollutant and a poison. There are other non-profits dedicated to getting illegal aliens legalized. Their employees (Lenin-asslicking-operatives) speak of their jobs as their “hobbies” and “their calling”. Getting paid enough to party (trust-fund-fuckers) while screwing their social and economic imagined competition.
Im sorry if my right-wing ravings on this issue drive anyone away from this entertaining blog. I need a vacation………
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ESPN is trying to sell Johnny Weir as a tough athlete: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=100114/JohnnyWeir
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“Be gay if you want to, I don’t fucking care – but why do I need to hear about it all the fucking time?”
Because gays and women are now in charge of our media, instead of the hard-drinking and smoking alpha males of yesteryear.
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“Because gays and women are now in charge of our media, instead of the hard-drinking and smoking alpha males of yesteryear.”
How very whiskey of you.
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Hey, well at least Johnny Weir had the balls to tell PETA to fuck off, something the POTUS couldn’t do.
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It’s true. Gays and Women ARE in charge of our media. To its detriment. And female behavior is norming towards gay male behavior. Which is just about as productive as you can imagine, in women as it is among gay guys.
Gays are pretty much far over-represented in Media (and government, and law) because women prefer it that way. A gay guy won’t express icky non-Alpha sexual desire, for a woman, and will be “fabulous” in the way women like non-Alpha men to be.
F, look at ESPN. THAT should be a no-Gay zone, and it’s all over the place with gay (but I repeat myself) ice skaters.
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“Oh, and your comment about VDs/HIV is just being a douche. If heterosexual women shared heterosexual men’s sex drive [biological imperative to bone as many fertile-looking members of the opposite sex as possible], you can damn well bet we’d have screwed our species into HIV-driven extinction long ago.”
Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. Is it that women have less sex drive => fewer overall sex partners => less proclivity for becoming infected with STDs? That doesn’t wash (for instance, 1/4 of American women have genital herpes versus only 1/8 of men).
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Let’s see if we get the female “logic” here…
Nice guy = eunuch, not arousing.
Gay guy = stylish, emotionally-compatible girlfriend with a penis (I’m a tighter hole “back there” than his boyfriend, so if we get drunk together… )
So how’s that for the hamster wheel spinning overtime though such girls’ crush on their gay boyfriend won’t work out like they’d planned for obvious reasons?
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@omarion
The point I was addressing was that Joel’s comment that gay behavior “leads to functional sterility and a high rate of VD, including lethal HIV, [and is thus] is maladaptive” is a cheap shot. Admittedly, the “sterility” angle looks at a mildly interesting question, i.e., ‘why would an organism engage in a behavior that seems guaranteed to insure its genes don’t spread?’
The VD/HIV part just smacks of the ‘queers bring AIDS on themselves’ bullshit.
As to your comment, my point wasn’t that women have less proclivity for becoming infected with STDs (being on the receiving end of penetrative sex is much riskier), but rather that if women had the sex drive of straight men, then heterosexuals would be fucking each other’s brains out just as fervently and indiscriminately as the boys at the seediest gay meat market ==> heterosexual STD rates would spike at least as high as those among gay men (potentially higher for women, because some gay men are only tops or only engage in oral).
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Whiskey:
It’s true. Gays and Women ARE in charge of our media.
True but you’re ignoring that massive pink elephant. Jewish people are also overrepresented, and they’re mostly leftist.
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The argument that women, gays, and Jews are “overrepresented” in the media is whiny. It sounds just like when idiots decry that higher education is racist because the profile of university enrollment/graduation doesn’t mirror the racial population distribution for the country (i.e., blacks make up 10% of the population, but not 10% of college graduates, must be racist – right?).
Apparently women eat up media slanted towards women and gay men. And since women are over half the population, that makes it profitable. Straight men don’t seem to be boycotting popular media either, so I guess targeting those audiences is a winning strategy at the moment.
Whether the Jews with media power are leftist is actually irrelevant; they’re smart enough to put on whatever sells.
Market forces at work, people.
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These leftists are so in love with their agenda push it ’til they go bankrupt. One of the reasons Fox News is so successful is because it tapped into a market that was ignored for years by the liberal establishment. It trounces the competition.
They should give me a news show. I’d touch on all the politically incorrect stuff with a vengeance. Illegal immigration, affirmative action, radical feminism, I’d list line by line all the “programs” our corrupt government spends on, anti-white racism. On and on.
If I was aloud to stay on the air my ratings would be through the roof.
Another thing, why do you think the show House was so successful, because it dabbled in political incorrectness. People crave it. They’re tired of gay, feminine, liberal junk, but when you don’t have a choice what can you do. You just watch it.
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F, look at ESPN. THAT should be a no-Gay zone, and it’s all over the place with gay (but I repeat myself) ice skaters.
Umm, the Olympics are on NBC, not ESPN. And I don’t see much in the way of figure skating coverage on SportsCenter because they’re not even allowed to show the footage. And why does NBC show so much figure skating? To paraphrase Willie Sutton, because that’s where the viewers are.
Besides, athletes should be lauded for their ability, not their sexuality.
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This was really astute. It’s a parody of femininity. Women aren’t innately women anymore in the Western sphere, and so they learn a manufactured, superficial sort of femininity from pop culture, mostly purveyed by a hyperbolic gay interpretation of women. I think that’s how it works.
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I am not sure why gay “genes” persist over time. I figure for the same reason that the genes for all disorders persist over time. Incomplete penetrance, recessive genes, new mutations, behavior modification, etc. New mutations happen all the time, in every generation.
Why not ask why the genes for retinitis pigmentosa persist? There are over 100 mutations associated with that awful disease.
Why not ask by the “genes” for undescended testicles persist in the human population.
Shit happens.
A gay phenotype may only arise from a gay “genotype” in certain settings, both social and biological. Like skin cancer. You need a lack of pigment and too much sun.
It may be that the way we look at homosexuality is much too narrow. For example, people with “personality disorders” tend to be aimless, likable people, but shiftless and needy. Frequently, they are kleptomaniacs. This often becomes their most obvious and obnoxious trait. To call such people simply kleptomaniacs, and concentrate on their thieving, misses most of their behavioral disorder.
Might be the same thing for gays. Gays are a variegated group, like heterosexuals. However, they often show extreme indifference to risk (multiple sex partners without protection) and sociopathic indifference to other people (exposing others to HIV, like their wives.) The fact that they have sex with men is only a small part of their behavioral disorder, IMHO. If having sex with men was their only behavioral/mental aberration, they wouldn’t have prevented routine screening for HIV for the last 30 years in heterosexuals. There is something deeply wrong when you are indifferent to letting a lethal disease spread.
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Roissy,
How do I email you? I haven’t figured it out. I want to discuss a type of game that hasn’t been mentioned; third person game. It entails criticizing (negging?) on a girl to another girl… I.e. “That girl is such a skank. What is she doing with her hair?” “What does she think she’s doing with that dress?” Or the like.
I figured this one out before even learning about game. The first time I used it (age 17 at the beach) I was totally sincere and it got me pussy without even trying. The method taps into a woman’s jealousy of other girls. Some cunt was stealing all of the attention at the beach and eventually started flirting with me. I saw through it and knew she was teasing. I ignored her and nonchalantly talked shit about her behind her back to some other cute girls. They couldn’t stop telling me how sexy I was and how they couldn’t believe I was a virgin (I wasn’t, but that’s what I led them to believe). Regardless, they invited me to a party and I got some puss. It turns out, that teasing cunt was their friend and I got them to ditch her!
I’ve used the technique when opportunity permits ever since. Now that I’ve learned some game, and learned something about that creature that is woman (girl, bitch, cunt, whatever), I’m beginning to understand it. I think it ties into a few of your recurring themes and I know “third person game” is worth some more field tests, perfection, scientific explanations, etc.
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Sofia says “Women aren’t innately women anymore in the Western sphere, and so they learn a manufactured, superficial sort of femininity from pop culture…”
This may well be true. But what if heterosexual men have something to do with this? If they like tans so much that they’re willing to accept fake tans; if they like blond hair so much that they’re willing to accept fake blondness; if they like breasts so much that they’re willing to accept fake breasts – well, wouldn’t the reallest of Real Women become fake in this fashion (assuming that a real woman really wants to attract men) if it could raise her chance of success with men?
Whiskey —
Women seek out the company of gay men because male-female relationships in the heterosexual world have become so fraught with tension and uncertainty. A gay man isn’t a “girlfriend”; he’s a man with a few more feminine characteristics than most straight men have. Another point in women’s attraction to gay men is that straight men have become so terrified of being suspected of homosexuality that anything that smacks of culture or taste has become repulsive to many of them. Take opera: it is or once was a popular art form in Italy, not an esoteric one, and appealed to (straight) men as much as to women. But today a taste for opera is so closely identified with being gay that even men of Italian descent in North America hesitate to develop a taste for it. Poetry; novels; visual arts – all now associated with gay men more than straight ones. Yet whatever the influence of gay men on these arts, they were once the province of men – regardless of sexual orientation.
If you’re a woman who likes men and who prefers men of some culture, where can you turn if not to gay men?
I suppose that this explanation is probably relevant to only a few women, but it does matter.
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Actually, the answer is probably “Yes”.
Are you too old to remember high-school dances?
[editor: yeah but these weren’t high school girls. these were grown women. thus, the phoniness.]
Even if the dance was on Friday – which meant that it had been, at best, three or four hours since these people had last seen each other – the freshman girls would see each other across the gym floor, shriek “HHHHHEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYY omigod!!!!”, and crash into each other’s arms at a velocity that would smash you into quarks if you were caught between them.
The phenomenon you’re describing isn’t materially different, and it’s not as though the freshman girls were being “phony”. That’s just how girls are.
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@clio-
sadly true, in the U.S. less so in Europe I think.
but i think you overstate the similarity between gay and straight men. a gay guy is effeminate, like a female, and will not hit on her, like a female, and can talk about clothes, fashion, and … men … like a female. Exactly like a girlfriend. Am I missing something?
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Reminds me of the “Simpsons” episode where Patty described “Sex and the City” as “four white women behaving like gay men.”
True. Especially considering the writers and producers were gay.
I saw an episode recently (never really watched it before). The program was chock full of female fantasy that is total bullshit. Mr. Big marries a hottie 10 years younger than horseface Carrie, then leaves her because he can’t live without Carrie? Please. I can see why the show is so popular with 30- and 40-something women, because it reinforces their fantasy view of how they wish the world would work, not how it really is.
Hypergamy is on serious display in nearly every episode.
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@Alias Cleo
I’m heterosexual and like ballet, poetry, theater, etc. as well as all the other cultural things you mention. I also like guns, foootball, and military history. It did me no good with women, who tend to find intellectual men either boring or threatening. Women are intellectual lightweights anyway, so most of them don’t know shit about culture anyway, they simply want to be seen enjoying it. So I learned game and gave them what they want. Your argument fails.
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aliasclio’s explanation makes sense to me regarding gay male friends. i don’t call up my gay friends to exclusively gossip or talk about fashion (i do have girlfriends), it’s just that they’re more interested in going to cultural events around the city straight guy friends aren’t that interested in, and it’s more befitting to have a male companion – the opera, is a good example.
as for the women willing to buy into pop cultural trends for straight males… well, there’s an established distinction between women you just want to have sex with and a woman you see yourself with. the girl who gets implants, bottle blonde hair, and bottle tan skin is portraying herself in this light of manufactured femininity, being fit as a sexual object exclusively. not someone you want to get to know.
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@joel: “I am not sure why gay “genes” persist over time.”
Because being gay is not genetic any more than having one arm is genetic. Everyone on earth knew this until a few years ago when gay people invented the idea in an attempt to glom themselves onto the civil rights movement.
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So I’ve heard. But I have no idea what people are talking about there. Sure sure, I know the whole argument about sluts being high risk, and just for fun. But I find it’s the family oriented girls who are high risk. High risk of low libido.
There’s nothing like a good high libido girl who you dress up hot and sexy, who will dance for you on bar tops, give you blow jobs in taxi cabs, and who loves you to death.
I don’t understand the aversion to mini skirt girls. High risk, high reward.
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Sure, having a love relationship with a mini skirted bottle blond is playing with fire. But isn’t that the definition of what makes a man? That he has tamed fire?
Blanket aversion to fire – I don’t get it. Fire is useful.
Smart chicks are the easiest to game – just fascinate her brain. Slut chicks are the easiest to game – just hypnotize her libido constantly. Any girl with any interest or passion in anything is easiest to game. There are hooks everywhere – any hook can be exploited.
Girls with a propensity to high risk who have high libido will tend to show their propensities in how they dress and move. Those propensities are usefull in a relationship. They just need to be harnessed and put to good ends.
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Thanks for your writing. I haven’t read anything of such high quality in a long time. It absolutely makes my day. I’m thinking of printing all your blog posts and putting them in a binder so I may continue to read them years from now and still get the laughs that I do now.
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Omarion, regarding people having an undeveloped ego, the reason this seems an insight is because in the west we have this crazy notion that an ego is a bad thing. At least those in Buddhist influenced circles do. That’s incorrect. An ego is a superstructure that organizes your concepts. An weak ego is a weak mind.
I wrote about this subject a few years back on my blog at http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2006/04/17/face-makes-people-boring/
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Welcome to America 2010 where the men are boys and the women are men.
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Another thing, why do you think the show House was so successful, because it dabbled in political incorrectness.
Admittedly I’ve only seen one episode of House but it’s not so much un-PC as it is an example of Left’s latest adaptation. It’s protagonist is a brilliant, above-the-law white Superman who feels no obligation toward honoring petty social norms and lesser individuals. In other words, he’s a social marxist’s wish-fulfillment figure. His inner circle is women and black men. All other white men on the show are somehow pathetic or comic relief. The show is poisonously PC.
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Good point; can an analogue also be formulated that would explain why men in the Western (hemi)sphere are fast becoming “not innately men”? Namely, that heterosexual women like confidence so much that they’re willing to accept fake confidence; like status so much that they’re willing to accept fake status; like ability so much that they’re willing to accept fake ability?
Every human impulse that evolved to keep us alive and well (and breeding) is being subverted and exploited to keep us consuming and bloating – so why would the procreative/sexual impulse be an exception?
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PA, you are such a conspiracy theorist. Which wouldn’t be so bad, but that your theory is cookoo for coco puffs.
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“Because being gay is not genetic any more than having one arm is genetic. Everyone on earth knew this until a few years ago when gay people invented the idea in an attempt to glom themselves onto the civil rights movement.”
That may be true, but the more likely explanation is that there is a genetic spectrum of fruitiness similar to the autistic spectrum. Also, low prenatal T-levels caused by some kind of fatigue in the the mother has been speculated as a cause, because the likelihood of a woman having a gay son shoots up after her 3rd son.
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A conspiracy theory presumes a conspiracy. A TV show is not so much a conspiracy as it is a reflection of the ideals and values of its makers.
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Contenders for Beta of the Month (can prizes be shared between a brace of Mewling Betas?)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/2865991/Juliennes-life-practising-polyamory-and-has-two-boyfriends.html
Rather backs up your ‘Polyamoury is for fat birds’ theory…
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PA, I’m referring to your notion of the “social marxist’s wish-fulfillment figure”. I’m aware from some of your other posts that you imagine cultural leaders who hide in the background and pull the strings of our collective consciousness, and who plan on the ultimate communist aim, the anihilation of the state. You see this aim everywhere, even on the TV show Dr. House.
It’s a cookoo for coco puffs notion, with some grains of truth and historical accuracy in it here and there.
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Jackart,
That made me want to puke. What a fat cow, and look how those beta boys cling all over her like she is a supermodel.
Today the Elvis Duran morning show had a caller who was in an open marriage. She was 26, had been married 7 years, and had slept with over 100 men while married to her beta husband. It was her idea to have an open marriage, needless to say. He agreed to it, but his 13 other partners paled in comparison to her 100+.
I do not know how some men can call themselves men.
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Maurice and Tyrone,
Seems to be some uncertainty here about what gay men are really like. It’s true that many have or cultivate effeminate mannerisms, but this isn’t true of more than one third to one half of gay men, which leaves many left over who are straight in manner and appearance. Often they advertise themselves as such too, in personals. If you’re a gay man attracted to men, how successful could you be at pulling mates if you were hyper-feminine in manner? And that raises another point, which is that “gayness” (er, gaiety?) seldom translates into what you fellows call beta behaviour. Gay men, whether effeminate or macho, tend to be highly aggressive in their sexual behaviour and have rather dominant personalities. (Shy and modestly retiring gay men seem to be rare, or else they’re so invisible that one doesn’t notice them much.) That can be part of what women find appealing about them.
Tyrone, I didn’t intend to imply that a taste for ballet and intellectual discussion were enough by themselves to attract women. First, not all women are interested in such things, as you point out. Second, it’s still necessary for men to have some of the characteristics of dominance in order to appeal to most women. It’s just a fact of life. But it seems to me that a heterosexual male with genuine intellectual interests would be very appealing to a substratum of women.
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I don’t get the phoniness either. If I say something, I generally mean it. Is that really such an outlandish social behavior these days?
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As a classical music maven and opera buff, I’ve been around a *lot* of gay dudes. That may not be the whole spectrum of gay men, excluding the village-people macho types, but the opera queen stereotype is fairly correct. I used to take women to the Bolshoi all the time when I lived in Moscow. Catnip.
And I agree with Tyrone that a well-informed guy will usually know *way* more about a chosen hobby or passion than any woman – be it art, sports, whatever. Comes with the way our brains work. At the opera, I usually found the women more interested in the costumes, and cattily talking about other patrons, than the actual music.
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This is the first time I’ve read this blog and I’m kind of stunned. The readers must only have contact with a specific genre of women. My female friends and I couldn’t care less about clothes/makeup/strategically-selected gay friends. We despise phoniness and cackling. And I know there are many more women out there that are like this. And to be honest, the cattiest people I know are straight men.
Maurice – the women I know, myself included, know a shitload about their hobbies and passions. If they didn’t it wouldn’t truly be a passion, would it?
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PA,
don’t you think that description would work equally well on the personality that roissy projects? if so, to what degree do you consider roissy to be a leftist adaptation?
leftists and marxist are very much into honoring social norms; they simply have a different set of norms for which they are advocating. we have a liberal-conservative spectrum that tends to dominate our political discourse. there is, however, an alternate libertarian-authoritarian spectrum that is more appropriate at times.
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My father is a doctor and worked in the same office with a female doctor. One day the two of them were talking in the hall when a nurse came up and told the female doctor that the ‘Hendersons’ (generic family name since I forget the real name) were now waiting in the examination room.
The doctor turned to my father and whispered, “I *hate* these people!” Then she went into the examination room, and my father overheard “HIIIIIIIIIIIII!!” He was mystified.
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Opera is too good to leave to swishbucklers and bitches. It’s classical music with tits. And yeah, catnip. I have to fight off the cougars and “nice old ladies” when I go to get nachos and Mr. Pibb at the Met simulcasts: it’d be really easy to open the little groups of college girls too if I weren’t with my girlfriend. Hint: dress “professor”.
Lupo: You really want spin up the sort of ninny that gets in a lather of self-justification over the possibility of homosexuality being genetic or what have you, point out that if there’s a medical cause, then it can be prevented or possibly even cured. Note also that a cure is the best way to demonstrate a medical cause.
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Well, I agree with Tyrone about the chosen hobby or passion bit too, Maurice. Wasn’t trying to dispute that one.
Nor was I trying to challenge the Opera Queen stereotype of the gay man; there are indeed many such gay men, though of course if you’re fond of opera you’re more likely to encounter them. I merely said that the Opera Queen is only one type of GayGuy and not necessarily the most common. What I also suggested was that such men, although not exactly macho, are usually and decidedly dominant; they also have that guyish tendency to learn everything possible about their pet subjects. These qualities are part of what makes them interesting to women.
See, what I was really disputing was the notion that gay men are appealing to women because they are merely another version of a girl/woman. Even in the case of the most effeminate gay men, it’s what they bring to the table besides their effeminacy that makes them really appealing.
It may well be true that women at the opera are more interested in the costumes and the chance for gossip than in the music, but it doesn’t follow that gay men’s cultural and intellectual interests are not a large part of what makes them appealing to women as friends.
I suppose, though, that I may be a bit out of date in my assumptions. When I was a young woman, the stereotype of women and gay men as best friends had not yet had any impact on popular culture. The average woman probably thought of gay men – in those less politically correct days – as possible objects of seduction, if they didn’t regard them with a pitying contempt. Those of us who did make friends with gay men did so for precisely the reasons I’ve suggested above. Television shows like Will and Grace, or SATC, have probably helped to change all that, and now even your dopiest sunbed bunny wants a gay best friend.
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The old stereotype of a fag hag was a dumpy narcissist who was uncomfortable with male sexual agression, or unhappy with the quality of man she could attract.
I don’t think that’s changed: there’s just a lot more of them now.
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PA, you are such a conspiracy theorist. Which wouldn’t be so bad, but that your theory is cookoo for coco puffs.
PA is a whiskey who hides his paranoid insanity a little better but actually turns out to be almost as batshit insane if you read enough of his comments.
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Good comment by Avenger over at Spearhead:
The reason that you can’t understand what a generalisation is or why it is valuable is precisely because you are a female. Females probably know on some subconscious level that they are all the same (except for looks) which is why they have this compulsion to make themselves look different on the outside with clothes, makeup etc so that men will be tricked into believing that they are different from other females and mate(marry) with them. But inside you are all the same and will all react to a certain situation in a predictable manner.As an older man and expert on female behaviour, I know how a female will react and what she will do even before she is conscious of what she’s doing. Females hate generalisations because they always like to fool themselves into believing that they are the one exception to the rule when in reality they are all just part of the boring herd.A female cannot be objective because she looks at the world in how something effects her(the centre of her world)Good and bad only matter to her when determining whether something is good for herself, not whether it is good for humanity in general.I’m afraid that this always looking at the exception as if it is the rule rather than the exception to the rule is a female trait and for some unknown reason is hardwired into her brain. Reproduction is the most important thing in life(all life or it would become extinct) and the female’s primary purpose is having and caring for kids, everything else is secondary.Nature has obviously blocked off certain pathways in the female brain so that she won’t be distracted from her primary purpose and leaves the real abstract thinking and problem solving to the male who is not burdened with pregnancy and child rearing.
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If that was directed at me, Tupac (and it could be, since I was challenging Roissy’s generalisations here), it falls short of the mark. I seldom object to generalisations as such. I just don’t think the ones about gay men in circulation in this post and the comments are getting at the truth of the matter of gay male-straight female friendship. What’s more, the generalization that sees flaming effeminate gay males as a large majority is, I think, off. The flamers appear to me to comprise no more than a third of gay men as a group. The rest are either rather androgynous in the image they present to the public (think Andrew Sullivan – not flaming in manner but clearly not heterosexual either), or else straight-seeming, at least in their manners.
That said, I have a historian’s rather than a social scientist’s outlook, and historians are interested in the particular rather than the general. Yet history as a profession is rather male-dominated, while the social sciences tend to be more female-oriented, with the exception of political science.
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Agreed. There is a wide variety.
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@clio, al – fair points, noted. I don’t seek out the company of gays, even though I don’t mind it, but isn’t bonding shared intellectual or social interests what you do with friends? not lovers or suitors or llust-objects or coworkers or passing acquaintances? friends = girlfriend or gayfriends, in this case. Both sexless and unthreatening. You get to talk about shoes and art and culture … and dick. (heh. sorry, this convo was entirely too free of crude references. gotta freely mix the high and the low to be fully alive.) The common dimension is that the woman knows she won’t be hit on. I think I understand your point, which is pretty basic, but at this point we’re talking past each other on a subject that really isn’t that important.
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The Avenger quote was directed at no one in particular. I just thought it was good.
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Basic rule of thumb: The more men are interested in sex with women the less they’re interested in the company of women (as company as opposed to company as an investment with a hoped for expected pay off between her legs).
The weird thing is that PUA horndogs and gay men have something in common : They make their greatest emotional connections with other men. Just saying….
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@Alias Clio:
“It may well be true that women at the opera are more interested in the costumes and the chance for gossip than in the music, but it doesn’t follow that gay men’s cultural and intellectual interests are not a large part of what makes them appealing to women as friends.”
No, it follows from the fact that, as Tyrone pointed out, dropping these cultural interests when interacting with women, giving them straight up game instead, makes their panties suddenly feel funny.
It’s the cultural interests of the gay men? Or rather that, with gay men, women can be seen enjoying these interests without actually having to put the intellectual effort in them?
As Tyrone said, “they simply want to be seen enjoying it,” and yes, it’s like going to the Opera with another girlfriend, the difference runs a lot deeper than simply some gay men being effeminate (as you said, not all of them are effeminate, and yet the differences between their interactions with women and straight men’s interactions with women, even straight men who have those interests).
Most women I’ve interacted with wanted the straight up assholery game. I could try to give them both game/masculinity and culture (I like classical music, opera, zarzuela, ballet is ok, modern “art” makes me shake my head but more classical art galleries I enjoy, etc.), and the latter would either do nothing, or put them off. They weren’t interested in sharing that with me.
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I’ve a few female acquaintances who have a “blanket like” of all gay men. As in they met the guys only 5 minutes ago but they already “love them all, OMG, you are so cool” just because they are gay.
This happened within one particular SWPL setting, so I don’t know whether it’s female or SWPL that’s more important. The SWPL argument would be that having gay friends is a sign of status.
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I linked to the wrong article regarding ego development. An excerpt from the 2004 piece I meant to link to:
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We take for granted that a person has some sort of unified interiority. A self. It is so hard to get it that in many cases, there is no there there. No single interior unifying process who exists from day to day body capable of keeping a promise. It is a very momentary, immediate self, not capable of what in the west we term integrity. That is a higher level of cognition that this culture does not emphasize or develop. This is very foreign to westerners, and we think that our girl is lying or foolish or a cheat etc. Ya, she is, but she couldn’t change if she wanted to. There is no “she” to change. All she has is her immediate experience, with no unifying person behind the mask to follow through on any promise to change.
An ego is not a form of disease, but one level of cognition that integrates our experiences and our actions. The reason we complain that Thais act without integrity is not because of differing cultural values, it is because in many cases, the Thai person doesn’t have integrity. Doesn’t even have a developed ego.
Sure, not all Thais are incapable of planning for the future and of knowing and expressing their emotions and of talking from a cohesive honest center instead of from a public persona that is just a mask. Not all. But much more so than in the west. I’ve never met a western adult woman who had as much an underdeveloped ego as is so common here.
Children tend to be different people depending on which peers they associate with. Peer pressure changes their attitudes and beliefs, and it’s me too, me too, me too. Sound familiar of Thais? It takes a strong sense of self to disagree with a crowd. In the same way as it takes a strong sense of self to have moral character and integrity.
Even with the greatest of intimate relationships, with a Thai it often seems as if the guard is always up. The guard is all there is. There is nothing but guard. I dated one woman for 6 months. After things fell apart I asked her if there was anyone in the world for whom her guard was not up – anyone at all she confided in. Not one. Not even her sister. That’s just the way it is here – you never – NEVER – let any one person know all of you. Of the 4 Thai women I dated for nearly a year, only one was consistently open and direct. Of 9 other Thai women I’ve dated, only one was.
Many Thais MUST do what parents say, or at least appear to. The sense of self isn’t fully differentiated from the communal family. Part of growing up is learning independence, that is an actual recognized stage of development; learning to think and act for oneself. Identifying with a group is not a sign of ego, in the sense of a sense of independent self. It’s fine to identify with family, but in the west we also eventually grow up. We become more than merely a part of a family. We also have an identity, an independent self.
It’s really difficult to be in love with someone you can’t trust. And someone with little integrity can’t be trusted. Integrity is dependent on the cognitive capacity to organize ones perceptions and thoughts and feelings cohesively around a lasting sense of self. It takes a strong self to make and keep promises, to tell the truth about feelings regardless of negative consequences. It is very difficult and frustrating to be consistently lied to, especially when you know that such lying is not just poor character, it is a lack of character, and will never change.
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Girls often lack ego development – more so than men. I consider this related to social fibbing, and consider lying psychologically dangerous. Same as using multiple forum names – it robs you of character development and cohesiveness. Better a strong truth that risks failure than a weak lie that gambles on benefit. Because in the long run, you’ll develop a strong ego that way.
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xsplat:
Ya, she is, but she couldn’t change if she wanted to. There is no “she” to change
There may be no “she to change”, but if she CAN’T change, then that says to me there IS a “self”, in the sense of a predictable, causal set of behaviors that remain the same over time.
It’s when you see people making drastic alterations in character that you can more realistically say there is no central self. This is the foundation of Chaos Magick.
Agree with the rest of your post, though.
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“the likelihood of a woman having a gay son shoots up after her 3rd son.”
There is a more obvious explanation than genetics or immune responses, assuming this statistic is actually true.
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“Better a strong truth that risks failure than a weak lie that gambles on benefit. ”
A strong truth that fails is a lie. But a lie beats bullshit, which is saying things without meaning. Bullshit mainly occurs when people seek status without merit.
Your statement should be refashioned as “better a strong hypothesis that is falsified than no hypothesis at all.”
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The odd thing is that women have this love for gay men whereas men don’t have any similar sympatico with lesbian women — nor do lesbian women generally seek out friendships with straight men, even the butchy ones. Just very uncommon to see those relationships as friends.
Why is this? Why are there fag hags but no male equivalent when it comes to dykes? I mean surely there are some lesbian/straight guy friendships, but nothing at all like it is with straight women’s seeming obsession with having gay male friends.
Also, gosh, gay men must be totally in demand for friendships by SWPL women. I mean they are, what, 5% of the population of men, but in demand as friends by 75% of the female population? Very strange.
I do think that Whiskey has overstated his case, but the poster above who suggested that she thought straight men could and should learn from gay men is pretty indicative of how quite a few women think, I think, at least in big blue cities in SWPL circles. Having said that, telling most straight men that they should emulate gay men is like telling them that they should cut their own dicks off — even if you wanted them to do that, you couldn’t possibly pick a better way to ensure that they do not do it. So much for superior social senses, huh?
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I hate the “Hiiiiiiiii” and I have wished for electronic shock chips to be installed in children when they are newborns so that we may shock the shit out of these people, along with the hi-pitched fake talkers, the girls who greet you with a once over per their own insecurity, the gays who do all of the above, the groups of people who walk in a line across the entire width of the sidewalk, the folks who learned how to drive in Pennsylvania or Maryland, walkers who walk (slowly) against the light and give you a shit eating look when you try to clip them with your car, girls who go to the bathroom together and say “like” and Oh my god” way too much, people who can’t handle their liquor and wipe out in bars, people who can’t hail a cab to save their life…you know, the dude who points with a finger at the sky (tool) when there is a cab driving by with several people in the back of it, and then same dude proceeds to huss and fuss at the cab not stopping, people who can’t control their kids in public, etc.
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nova said: “Also, gosh, gay men must be totally in demand for friendships by SWPL women. I mean they are, what, 5% of the population of men, but in demand as friends by 75% of the female population? Very strange.”
Dude, I’m telling you. SWPL chicks are desperate for gay friends. Eg:(from people I know, cities and names changed):
– Ashley will be moving for work to Dallas in 3 months.
– Sarah used to live in Dallas until a year ago and has family and friends in the area.
– Ashley gets Sarah to introduce her to her gay friends in Dallas.
– Ashley proclaims to the world, how she is “all set” now and she can move comfortably.
– Sarah gets enormous credibility from the female crowd for being able to pull such a transfer of gayness.
I had to put with shit like this.
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Dude, I’m telling you. SWPL chicks are desperate for gay friends.
Interesting anecdote. It suggests, though, that although Whiskey is likely exaggerating, nevertheless he is pointing at a truth — namely that the kind of women you’re talking about would prefer if more of the men around them were gay. Just for the purposes of being a bigger pool of fabulous gay men to have as friends.
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Reminded me of this
http://www.youtube.com/user/whatthebuckshow?blend=1&ob=4
Note that his youtube channel is incredibly popular, and he’s not even *half* as bad as some of the other popular “gay” channels / shows.
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Lupo’s characterization of homosexuality as something other than genetic is spot-on.
If a single conclusive scientific study existed that found that there exists an unalterable gay “gene,” its authors would be household names in our Left dominated media. A brief review of history demonstrates that homosexuality was much more broadly practiced in ancient cultures than it is presently (though this appears to be changing, especially for women) from which one can only conclude that sexuality is largely socially determined. A homosexual “identity” is an invention of the last century, never before conceived, and theorized as part of a larger insidious social-political movement.
There is apparently a tension in the homosexual “societies” regarding the fluidity of sexuality, and there is a great deal of effort made to “police” fellow homosexuals who would admit to having had sexual experiences which are not exclusively homosexual. The Media helps in this policing – have you ever wondered why a married man with children who leaves his family for another man is praised as finally discovering his true (gay) self – while any person who formerly was gay but who takes the reverse route is greeted with suspicion and disbelief? The media is reinforcing the political narrative.
Please understand that the forces that want you to believe that homosexuality is fixed by genes are the same forces which propose that “gender” is a social construct, and that your expressions of masculinity and alpha-ness can and should be discouraged and eliminated.
Please, elect not to be brainwashed. Isn’t that what this blog is all about?
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“If a single conclusive scientific study existed that found that there exists an unalterable gay “gene,” its authors would be household names in our Left dominated media.”
Most genetic traits are not the result of a single unalterable gene. Nor are single studies ever conclusive. Where did you study science and genetics?
I don’t know how anyone with childhood memories of can deny there is a biological basis for fruitiness. Any real heterosexual man also knows that we cant just up and decide to like men, either. I know of a couple kids who certainly acted quite gay before they knew what it was, and sure enough, they grew up to be.
But I do think plain old bisexualism is more natural and common than most people believe, given the standards of past societies.
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“Most genetic traits are not the result of a single unalterable gene. Nor are single studies ever conclusive. Where did you study science and genetics?”
Hm? There’s a slew of traits/conditions/diseases/switches/phenotypes/etc that come directly linked to a single gene, where did YOU study genetics?
I mean, that’s the whole point behind SNP maps, linkage studies, and so on. Sure enough, there are an awful lot of complex networks that are not so simple, probably more than single-gene traits due to combinatorial effect, but single gene phenotypic expression is by no means rare – or if you prefer, the opposite is not “Most of.”
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nova said: “would prefer if more of the men around them were gay”
I think it is safe to say that if most betas were gay, they would be fine. They can put up with only a very limited amount of LJBF guys (1 or 2 at the most) and get annoyed after a while, whereas they can’t have too many gay friends. They get really pissed when a seeming alpha is found out to be gay, though. (“All the good ones are either taken or gay”).
Since gay guys are flakish (as they have their own lives and are not really interested in the girls), they need lots of backup.
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[…] wrote in a comment to my HIIIII!! post: Talking about men, clothes and food with one’s girlfriends is one of the joys of being a woman […]
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[…] Roissy: HIIIIII! […]
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planet grock But I do think plain old bisexualism is more natural and common than most people believe, given the standards of past societies.
so do I but people around here don’t want to hear that.
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chic noirbuttox,
You need to walk the talk a bit more.
It will be your honor, privilege, and goal to……
….(wait for it, wait for it)……
Detox my Buttox.
I expect you to be well prepared. Now quit talksin’ and start detoxin’…..
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