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The Core Principle Of Game

February 25, 2010 by CH

I was out recently with a buddy who knows of the DC blog scene and occasionally reads my blog (HIIIIIII dude!!!!). We went to a club that has a cramped basement dance floor. Very loud, very crowded, and very sweaty. This is the type of place that affords much illicit groping if that’s your bag. I didn’t go with any intention to hit on girls, or even to flirt much, so I leaned back against the bar and watched my buddy work a crowd of four chicks. As I leaned masterfully, one of the girls in the group sauntered over adjacent to me to buy herself a drink (or a timeout). I sized her up with a cocked eyebrow and a calculated frown. She was cute, early to mid 20s, long brunette hair, and short, with an ample bosom. That old notorious feeling came back again. You can’t keep the inner cad locked down for long.

I opened for the kill.

“Lemme guess. You’re with a bachelorette party.”

She winced. “Nooo! Thank god, I hate those things.”

I studied her reaction while musing to myself that perhaps a patented CH meme is getting out into general circulation. I had my opening. Finish her!

“Wow, I could have sworn you were assigned to accost men for your engaged friend. I’m relieved. Cheers.”

I suspected she was smart enough to know the word ‘accost’, and would appreciate my use of it. She stared at me blankly for a few seconds registering what I had just said. She turned her head away slowly, then whizzed right back around again to face me. I suspected correctly. She roughly grabbed my hand.

“Come out and dance with us! You do realize you’re at a dance club?”

“I don’t dance.”

“Oh, right, I forgot, men don’t like dancing.” She rolled her eyes.

“True.” She was still holding my hand. I made sure to pull away first. “You’ll have to get yourself a gay boyfriend for dancing duties.”

She laughed. “Oh, is that what they’re for?” Enough of her frame. It was time to reframe so that she was following my conversational lead.

I placed my hand on her forearm. “You don’t seem at all like the type of girl who would be happy in a place like this.” This wasn’t a line. She really wasn’t the type who normally goes to this place. Not phony enough.

“What do you mean by that?”

Reframe established. Subtle neg delivered. She was in the tingle-generating defensive crouch.

“Look around. Most of these girls are faking it. Can you fake it as well as they do? If you can, then I guess I was wrong about you.”

Remember, gentlemen, conversations with women don’t have to make logical sense. They just need to sound sexy.

She smiled and cocked her head in that way girls do when you’ve pleasantly surprised them. “Do you want a drink?”

Ah, the first real shit test. Now we were getting somewhere. Men, take note. When a girl is standing right next to you at a bar, and she asks “Do you want a drink?”, be careful! She is really asking “Will you buy us a drink?” Smart girls know how to massage this shit test so that they maintain plausible deniability.

“No, thanks.”

Passed.

“You’re not going to drink tonight??”

“No, I’m just not in the mood for a drink right now. You know, when you dance, don’t forget to twirl. Like this.” I took her hand and she happily spun around for me.

We gabbed some more while standing at the bar. Eventually, her ass gingerly found its way into my crotch and a tame simulation of bumpngrindage ensued. She liked when I moved her hair aside to kiss her neck. I liked it too. Her feminine aroma — a mix of youth, sweat, and perfume — was intoxicating. Maybe a half hour in we were making out, sometimes right in front of her friends who didn’t seem to mind at all. She must have signalled them earlier that she didn’t want or need a cockblock. But I was always sure to break it off first, and quickly, wary to ever let our lips linger locked for long. This wasn’t so much a game maneuver as a practical consideration. I didn’t want to be recognized making out with her in public.

After a short while dancing with her group, I leaned into her and told her I was going upstairs, while reaching for my coat. She looked surprised and chastened. I leaned in again and said I’d like her number, and that she should come upstairs to give it to me. I walked off.

It was a calculated move. If a girl likes you, she’ll be willing to abandon her posse to meet you at another location for continued enrapture. If this girl was on the fence even a little, she would not likely have met me upstairs like I told her to do. I only needed to wait upstairs for thirty seconds before she showed up. She smiled when she saw that I was still there.

This was a textbook seduction. It reminded me what so often makes or breaks a man’s game. It always seems to come back to this, the core principle of game, of mastery of women’s desire: Aloofness. The concept is simple, although its proper exeuction can belie its simplicity. I didn’t care that night about hooking up, or impressing girls. This cavalier nonchalance must have been exuding from my every pore, in my words and body language. Not giving a shit about the outcome — note that this is different than not giving a shit about the woman, for those of you who are too twisted in pious hate to understand the difference — is like catnip to a woman. They can’t resist it.

I realized early on that I could have pressed and taken this girl home that night. The number exchange was a mere formality. There was no need for me to stop at the number. She was into me enough for a same night close. Logistics were favorable. But I stopped myself short. It was then that I had a revelation and stumbled upon what is the greatest obstacle to a man’s success seducing women….

Guilt.

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  1. on February 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm the dude

    first

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  2. on February 25, 2010 at 12:32 pm emclaren

    I like it.

    Damn you, dude.

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  3. on February 25, 2010 at 12:36 pm omegaman93555

    For the typical guy game means adopting an entirely new personality, which is quite difficult. Staying in character and not reacting to a series of cues that could cause a reversion to the normally adopted personality requires a lot of concentration and discipline, which few have.

    Guilt, too, is a reaction to a situation where the mind accesses programs for what it “should” do. The rational mind is a weak tool for dealing with either personality or guilt.

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  4. on February 25, 2010 at 12:38 pm culdcept

    I think this example proves some good points about why early game is tough. Even though you may have the attitude and the words, you still want to pick up girls. Roissy had completely natural aloofness which will always be an inkling better than just acting like you don’t care. In the beginning, is quantity the only way to truly not care? Or is the confidence that there will always be more enough?

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  5. on February 25, 2010 at 12:39 pm Firepower

    Guilt is for
    the victorious

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  6. on February 25, 2010 at 12:44 pm the dude

    Guilt is regret for what we’ve done.
    Regret is guilt for what we didn’t do.

    you choose.

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  7. on February 25, 2010 at 12:47 pm Noneofya

    Aloofness builds attraction.
    Shared vulnerability builds intimacy.

    Has Roissy finally glimpsed the second?

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  8. on February 25, 2010 at 12:55 pm Tyler

    Ah yes…I suppose that has stopped me a time or two myself. We know ourselves and what we are capable of. There are different reasons for guilt. Sometimes we know these naive girls all too well and the path they will follow….how hard they will fall for something so insignificant to us.

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  9. on February 25, 2010 at 12:56 pm Big Dave

    Natural aloofness comes from experiencing success with a large variety of women. And yes confidence stems from knowing that you can get a girl anytime you wish. If you arent wanting for it, aloofness is the result. Nice little positive feedback loop there.

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  10. on February 25, 2010 at 1:01 pm virginat50

    If this is the sort of witty repartee that game requires, it’s no surprise that I’m no good at it. I couldn’t say, “Most of these girls are faking it” in an convincing manner because I have no idea what that means and would be worried that she would dispute or ask for clarification.

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  11. on February 25, 2010 at 1:01 pm luvsic

    We only feel guilty when they’re not quite hot enough.

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  12. on February 25, 2010 at 1:07 pm J R

    @virgin

    stop thinking like a guy for a minute. men talk to communicate ideas. women talk as a form of socialization. what you’re saying doesn’t have to make sense.

    once as an expirement i had a conversation with this girl on messenger. i switched topics every thirty seconds and i made sure that there was no logical segue from one topic to the next. if i had this conversation with a guy, he would have asked me i were drunk or high. the girl, she didn’t raise any indication that i was acting weird and seemed to greatly enjoy the conversation.

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  13. on February 25, 2010 at 1:11 pm JLaw45

    It is a vicious circle.

    To get girls, you need confidence as well as the aloofness that comes with it. As we all know, a guy with these qualities is a guy who’ll get girls. Simple enough.

    But how do you gain this confidence/aloofness? Generally, the best way is to gain experience. A guy who has had(or has) a lot of girls won’t be as needy or desperate for interaction with them. His success will also reassure his confidence in himself whenever he does decide to approach.

    But if you’re an inexperienced guy just starting out with all this, the cards are obviously stacked against you. You need the experience to gain the confidence but without the confidence you can’t gain the experience.

    I think this is by far the most challenging part of Game for any newcomer. It obviously isn’t insurmountable but I can’t see an easy way out.

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  14. on February 25, 2010 at 1:12 pm Thursday

    It is so much easier to project aloofness while locked in. The posture of sitting or standing with you back against the bar and not chasing after her is insanely effective.

    I was in a bar a few weeks ago with some buddies. Wasn’t there to game. Had a seat at one of those small pub tables, me up against the wall. Started gently making fun of this cute girl at a table next to us when her friends were away for a minute. Ignored her when her friends came back, but periodically reengaged when opportunities came. Her group decided to leave for a restaurant, but before they all went she came back and asked for my number. Didn’t move one inch out of my seat the whole time.

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  15. on February 25, 2010 at 1:15 pm OhioStater

    Outstanding field report!

    By the way, by not taking her home, you basically rejected her. That feels great, and it makes her want you more.

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  16. on February 25, 2010 at 1:16 pm Miles Anderson

    Since you havn’t done anything outside of simple socialization this seems more like regret then guilt. And to steal somebody elses words “its better to regret something you have done then something you havn’t.”.

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  17. on February 25, 2010 at 1:18 pm P-ROD

    “We only feel guilty when they’re not quite hot enough”

    so true man…

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  18. on February 25, 2010 at 1:22 pm anonymous

    I didn’t want to be recognized making out with her in public.

    Maintaining his public image now trumps his capacity for being genuine.

    [editor: that’s not the reason. try again.]

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  19. on February 25, 2010 at 1:22 pm I second that...

    luvsic nailed it.

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  20. on February 25, 2010 at 1:24 pm Thursday

    JLaw45:

    Which is why having a good routine stack when you start out is so important. Having something really interesting to say gives you some value when the other parts of your game suck.

    In the end though you just have to push through. Fake it til you make it.

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  21. on February 25, 2010 at 1:29 pm MRA (Jack)

    Guilt? You lost me there Roissy.

    I don’t understand. Why did you not make the close?

    Since I do not go into smoky bars, I barely relate to the captive “girl stuck in the vicinity by a line or a pressing crowd in a drinking venue” situation (I suppose the DC joints are now all smoke-free but foreign discos and bars still cause healthy young virgins and me to want to leave immediately – not on the same evening, meaning without having met each other).

    When I have done that in Manhattan, I failed to sex close because I was too stupid and shy to buy condoms after she agreed to stay the night at my hotel rather than try to go back to New Jersey at 3AM. I could have called the concierge to bring me condoms for $20 tip but I was too shy to do that too.

    My problems now are thus:

    1) MLTR includes two who consider themselves my future wife and expect me to schedule most of my time with…making additional dating and pickups hazardous and tough to schedule in (actually the possibility of the 2 meeting makes just dealing with both of them hazardous).

    I couldn’t imagine actually being *married* and subject to real punishments should two planets collide.

    2) Meeting a classy and beautiful young woman who doesn’t smoke and refuses to be in discos where the smoke is thick means trying to get something going as they approach you as a perfect stranger on the street or public stairwell.

    THAT is where game gets real hard to apply.

    You get mere seconds and the social acceptability of a sudden conversation is way lower.

    Today I saw a 10 coming up the stairwell in an office building as I was going down. Instead of just navigating around her like one does with other people dozens of times per day, I semi-dramatically reversed myself to the landing saying in English “I am sorry for getting in your way”. Keep in mind that there was absolutely no reason to do this other than to become someone she “met” while at the same time, it does not look phoney.

    She smiled and showed she could speak English by saying “Thank you. That is OK’. There was a mild flirtacious glance as she continued but not enough for me to get the courage to reverse my step downward and follow her up the stairwell to say “Excuse me but I wanted you to have my card because you seem really interesting” (an action that has won me plenty of relationships in my life).

    I hesitated too long. Then I decided that I had to try to find her because it was highly likely that she was not an employee in the building but rather a visitor to some firm like a lawyer. I was very hungry which would have killed my enthusiasm for following after an 8 or a 9.

    But she was a 10. You would go hungry for the rest of an afternoon to get the phone number of a 10 – that is the definition of a 10 to me.

    Sadly, I knocked and entered about 7 or 8 offices trying to find her before I quit. It didn’t work. Sometimes it does when you try a delayed search like that, but more often the 10 disappears (not because she tries to).

    I wish women were built to also have those second thoughts and follow back to see if the other person has stopped in their tracks and looked back. But that almost never happens outside the 30+ crowd that watches films like Sleepless in Seattle.

    Now at least we “met” so I can approach her as a long lost friend when I see her again…but I don’t think it is likely we will see each other again.

    If we do, I will offer her my business card and, if she accepts, I will ask her to give me her info.

    Opportunities with 10s are often split second ones.

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  22. on February 25, 2010 at 1:32 pm culdcept

    Wouldn’t feeling guilt in a situation like this just be giving in to the feminists? If a girl is into you and follows you giving you her phone number, what’s the issue there? Its not like you drugged her. She knows what kind of relationship to expect when meeting someone at a bar or club.

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  23. on February 25, 2010 at 1:33 pm Basil Ransom

    Why not take her home? Even in the best of seductions, phoning does not have a 100% success rate.

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  24. on February 25, 2010 at 1:37 pm The_King

    Emotions like guilt are for the weak. Why feel guilty for something you deserve?

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  25. on February 25, 2010 at 1:42 pm xsplat

    JR

    men talk to communicate ideas. women talk as a form of socialization.

    That’s a good insight. Sometimes on message boards I get puzzled when men are of the “keep it light and breezy” crowd. I just don’t get it. Obviously they are there for a different reason than I am. I figure if we are a bunch of monkeys hanging out in trees, they are making oot oot sounds just to reassure each other that they are all there and part of the same tribe.

    The way I see it, men don’t merely go oot oot, and quickly get bored and irritated at nothing but oot oot.

    Women can go oot oot their whole lives and not find it odd. Hiiiiiii!

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  26. on February 25, 2010 at 1:43 pm MRA (Jack)

    On a happier note, I just got a date in a novel way that shows advanced day game:

    I have a friend who drives a taxi. Whenever he knows he is going to have gorgeous clients, he texts me to be picked up as an additional fare client immediately. OK, I admit that I have this arrangement with 3 taxi drivers in my city.

    Anyway, I was in the backseat with a gorgeous coed in this manner and the taxi driver knew enough to try to suggest that we date. She blushed heavily and said “no, not necessary”. I blushed too but then said to her “I am just as embarrassed as you are at the suggestion, but I hope you are not saying I am not your type. You, surprisingly, are very much my type.” I backed off when I realized she was really on the spot and blushing too much.

    But the taxi driver just, 10 days later, called her and said that I was a millionaire and had been really impressed with her and wanted dinner at a nice restaurant with her.

    She agreed. The date is on.

    That is day game with a taxi driver as wingman. I should have just charged for this lesson.

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  27. on February 25, 2010 at 1:53 pm Anonymous

    arent you embarrassed at all to write something so patently false and unbearably corny?

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  28. on February 25, 2010 at 1:57 pm me me me

    Roissy felt guilty because he has someone special in his life. He’s in loooove!

    I’m totally right, right? 😀

    [editor: i guess it takes a cute girl to figure out the obvious. hey there sexy. ;)]

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  29. on February 25, 2010 at 1:58 pm Keith

    “Guilt.”

    Insightful. More widely, any means where you evaluate your actions by some external standard can be tough on “game.”

    Good taste can limit the range of your “game.” So can a belief in being genuine.

    I disagree with cultivating a disingenuous appearance of aloofness.

    But not caring about outcome? Yes. I agree. I agree with aloofness in terms of doing what you want and genuinely not caring about the outcome.

    I like dancing (because us true alphas got mad rhythm), but I can’t stand doing what’s expected of me.

    So aloof Keith counterfactual world goes:

    Her: “Come out and dance with us! You do realize you’re at a dance club?”

    Aloof Keith: “I was going to, but then you made it sound like I was supposed to. ”

    Does it work? Who cares? I’m fuckin’ aloof!

    [editor: that’s not a bad line. finally you contribute something useful.]

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  30. on February 25, 2010 at 2:04 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “long brunette hair, and short, with an ample bosom”

    Snooki?

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  31. on February 25, 2010 at 2:05 pm MeanBone

    @virginat50

    “Most of these girls are faking it” just serves as the follow-up to the neg “You don’t look like the type of girl who would be happy here.” You throw her off balance, raise some doubts in her mind about herself, then suggest that maybe she’s different because she’s special. Now she wants to prove that she’s special.

    By saying the other girls are “faking it” just means they’re acting like something they’re not, hoping that will impress someone. But she’s not a phony like them, she’s too genuine. And only you were perceptive enough to notice that about her.

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  32. on February 25, 2010 at 2:13 pm jkc

    basement of Saint-Ex WHHAAATT

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  33. on February 25, 2010 at 2:13 pm Panda

    Guilt and counterproductive thinking.

    And I like how all the guys didn’t know why you should feel guilty and the girl immediately knew.

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  34. on February 25, 2010 at 2:18 pm 11minutes

    relationship guilt.

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  35. on February 25, 2010 at 2:24 pm Personality and Mood Management « Game For Omegas

    […] http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/the-core-principle-of-game/ […]

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  36. on February 25, 2010 at 2:28 pm xsplat

    “And I like how all the guys didn’t know why you should feel guilty and the girl immediately knew.”

    Ya, I wouldn’t have guessed that. I’d have gone for not wanting to see the same old same old of someone falling head over heels for you, when you know your just going to break her heart in the end anyway.

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  37. on February 25, 2010 at 2:39 pm haha

    this seems like a two parter, the follow up re: revelation about guilt would be a good addendum.

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  38. on February 25, 2010 at 2:46 pm Roosh

    MRA (Jack): Congrats that is perhaps the worst day game pickup I’ve ever read in my life.

    Staging a scene with your taxi driver friend to ask a girl out for you 10 days after the fact while lying about your bank account is desperation, not “advanced.”

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  39. on February 25, 2010 at 2:50 pm ramman

    These blogs posts sport me boners.

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  40. on February 25, 2010 at 2:52 pm julian

    Now that Roissy is in a ltr of sorts I hope to see more insight on ltr game and its attenuated complexities. I started reading this blog right after a break-up two years ago and what I read here filled me with a mixture of awe and revulsion. Awe at the simplicity of what constitutes attraction, and revulsion at how my lowered guard had contributed to the demise of my relationship.

    I parlayed that knowledge the last 2 years into multiple flings with hot girls until I met someone worthy of a LTR. Now I am settled into that situation, but always with one eye open and have taken Dave from Hawaii’s advice to constantly re-seduce my gf through subtle negs, teasing, dominance, aloofness, and most importantly self mastery.

    Roissy’s dictum of “make your mission not your woman your priority” really sums it up perfectly for someone like me. I have always been a socially dominant guy with a high individualist streak, but fell into the beta trap of thinking that what a woman wants is for you to be nice all the time.

    Also, grew up with lots of sisters and a mom who honestly are all great. This hasn’t been talked about a lot on this blog but positive female re-enforcement in your youth by females of high moral worth can ruin your game too. You fall into the notion that all or many woman are like that, and it doesn’t prepare you for the jungle of modern dating.

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  41. on February 25, 2010 at 2:55 pm al

    aw, soft underbelly, how nice to see a glimpse.

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  42. on February 25, 2010 at 3:06 pm GdI

    @ MRA (Jack) — Running 2 MLTRs is nothing, that’s leaving you ample pussy-hunting time. If you’re strapped with 2 bitches, you are not in control.

    It only gets really juggle-tastic when you’ve got 4-5 MLTRs going … then running proficient BITCHOPS (while tapping the occasional PnD that crosses your path) requires mental tenacity, nerves of steel, and an unaffected devil-may-care attitude that, along with aloofness, is the essence of Alpha.

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  43. on February 25, 2010 at 3:10 pm sdaedalus

    Roissy felt guilty because he has someone special in his life. He’s in loooove! I’m totally right, right? [editor: i guess it takes a cute girl to figure out the obvious. hey there sexy.

    This is so lovely, all that can be said is shock and awwwwwww. But be careful, you risk restoring our faith in human nature.

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  44. on February 25, 2010 at 3:12 pm PlanetGrok

    “Staging a scene with your taxi driver friend to ask a girl out for you 10 days after the fact while lying about your bank account is desperation, not “advanced.”

    LOL! not to pile on…but…

    This is the same guy who considers women he is not banging part of his “harem”. delusional.

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  45. on February 25, 2010 at 3:19 pm Hughman

    “Guilt”

    So you are human after all.

    [editor: more human than human.]

    But even so, you’re being ambiguous – are you guilty because you’re finally got an awesome LTR (after how man years?)

    [what makes you think i’ve only had one awesome LTR? pickup and relationships are not mutually exclusive.]

    Or are you guilty because you denied a cute smart girl a good pounding?

    [to not share such a gift with womankind is pernicious.]

    Or is because you left your buddy?

    [that would be a good reason, but i told him i was going.]

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  46. on February 25, 2010 at 3:35 pm Nutz

    Guilt is for suckers that think their gf is a special snowflake with a magical pussy. Even if she’s “the one” you’re better off capitalizing on opportunities so stay sane over the long haul and don’t regret the ones you missed out on when you had the chance. Fact is even if u have Ms Right, odds are at some point some day things just won’t work out. Dating the odds are even worse than if u were married. Serial monogamy is cool so long as you realize it’s limited in duration.

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  47. on February 25, 2010 at 3:47 pm jm

    @MRA Jack….um…so what are you going to do when she finds out you’re not a millionaire? And why would you take her for a nice dinner date? Poor game 101.

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  48. on February 25, 2010 at 3:50 pm Anonymous

    Snowoarder had groupies suck on his bronze medal at an after-party!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Snowboarder-Lago-heads-home-early-after-party-pi;_ylt=AttlbwCd48ZmFCcN4K9eo2hotLV_?urn=oly,220948

    Of course, he’s heading home early after the pictures became public… should’ve responded, “Yeah, wait’ll I get the gold!” and kept on truckin’.

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  49. on February 25, 2010 at 3:53 pm Lupo

    “Guilt”

    Sometimes I hate having a conscience.

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  50. on February 25, 2010 at 3:56 pm Cannon's Canon

    either the LTR doesn’t know about the blog, or she’s ok with emotionless bar make-outs.

    the latter would be very impressive, but somehow i don’t think the story gets told the same way.

    maybe the former is even more impressive. i can’t stifle myself around respected company. by that logic, i have trouble respecting people i cannot speak freely amongst. sure, a polite omission here and there, but something as profound as this blog, with such eloquent self-expression and high esteem? i’d spill the beans.

    perhaps the criteria for an LTR change when you are fulfilled intellectually, when your hierarchy of needs is thoroughly accounted for. mine are not, so… very impressive.

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  51. on February 25, 2010 at 4:46 pm lovelysexybeauty

    That was fun to read… But no way… Guilt was about a girl you are seeing? Alias Clio’s prediction that you’ll end up married in a few years might not be so far (forgive me if I am misremembering, but I feel like she said this a while ago)

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  52. on February 25, 2010 at 4:46 pm the dude

    son petit bijou knows this blog, and this is a good way of showing l’amour in a rather indirect way, while showing her the options available at any time

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  53. on February 25, 2010 at 4:48 pm Jerm

    Good old Napoleon. At least you got her upstairs to the lit portion of the bar to get a good look. I’ve number closed a couple of girls in that dark basement while drunk and come to find out that they looked like gargoyles in natural light.

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  54. on February 25, 2010 at 4:59 pm The Specimen

    The guilt doesn’t usually kick in until after I bust a nut.

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  55. on February 25, 2010 at 5:04 pm julian

    if you have been reading roissy clearly he has always said the ideal for him is serial ltr’s with women of high worth, albeit with the possibility of straying if “she made me an offer i couldn’t refuse”.

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  56. on February 25, 2010 at 5:04 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Roissy,

    You still feel guilt over women?

    [editor: only certain women.]

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  57. on February 25, 2010 at 5:06 pm PlanetGrok

    That guilt comment is just part of a big beta-provider game scheme Roissy is laying down for his female readers. Now that they think they have seen a glimpse of humanity in Roissy’s dark soul, they will have to acquiesce when he emails them with an invitation to his hotel room.

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  58. on February 25, 2010 at 5:08 pm PlanetGrok

    “The guilt doesn’t usually kick in until after I bust a nut.”

    You need to stop slumming it then. Nothing is worse than busting a nut and then looking down and feeling guilt. A steady diet of 8+’s should cure you of this.

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  59. on February 25, 2010 at 5:14 pm sparks123

    This is Roissy at his best. Pointing out betaness is easy, demonstrating examples of alphaness is harder (and more interesting).

    But I stopped myself short. It was then that I had a revelation and stumbled upon what is the greatest obstacle to a man’s success seducing women….

    Guilt.

    Love is exception-making.

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  60. on February 25, 2010 at 5:22 pm Flahute

    The guilt doesn’t usually kick in until after I bust a nut.

    Roissy too, I suspect. I think he got the SNL, then wrote the report with a modified ending (i.e. Guilt) to show the blog-aware LTR how he has changed for her so he can pound her pussy harder still.

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  61. on February 25, 2010 at 5:24 pm Dblade

    Game only works when you can’t stand the woman, and women in general, doesn’t it? You can’t manipulate someone you find you like, and that’s what generates guilt.

    [editor: false premise. game is not manipulation. really, we’ve been through this before. three years of the same old same old from the haters. it’s starting to get farcical.]

    Game is manipulation, no matter how you try and spin it by appealing to biological imperatives, or justify it by the “women are irrational assholes” card. When you consciously manipulate people, expect to feel guilty-it means you are a human being.

    [is licking the rim of a martini glass manipulation?]

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  62. on February 25, 2010 at 5:25 pm too late

    Reminds me of a time in college when I ran into a petite blond (8) with an obscenely large rack that used to date a friend of mine at another college. She’s just visiting and yells out my name and runs up and hugs me. I’d never spent much time around her so I was surprised at the dramatic hello.

    We’re making small talk and watching the band that’s not really playing anything danceable but she grabs me and pulls me out into the middle of the room and we’re the only ones dancing and then as soon as we get out there, she stops dancing and goes back to her friend. I’m out there still trying to dance, the only one, while everyone else is watching the band. I slowly stop dancing and go stand back next to her confused.

    Minutes later, she says she and her friend are going to another bar and turn to leave. I follow them out the door, a little behind, expecting they’re going to wait for me, but when I get outside they’re 20 feet ahead, moving fast and not looking back. Still makes me laugh to this day.

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  63. on February 25, 2010 at 5:30 pm Chuck

    What’s the signal for a cockblock call off? Is it a slight nod or do the other women just have a feeling when their friend is into a guy? It would be nice (and funny) if it were some convoluted process like a third-base coach giving the sign to steal second base.

    [editor: haha. that would make a great scene for a movie. i could just see the alpha female standing in front of a chalkboard of Xs and Os teaching her playettes how to read her signals for a CB.]

    Also, girls like to be twirled.

    [like princesses.]

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  64. on February 25, 2010 at 5:34 pm Enjoyed the insight.

    Nice detailed seduction report, good insight.

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  65. on February 25, 2010 at 5:34 pm Tupac Chopra

    On the main streets and the avenues
    In the condos white as knuckles bruised
    With the carmine of the busy liquor bars
    There’s a dark and mystic beauty
    To these inner city girls
    That slide by in the velvet of their cars

    Fom the dance halls and the shopping malls
    And the subways filled with Dresden dolls
    To the school of fallen angels on the ground
    The whole city’s just an expensive whore
    A forest nymph with a pompadour
    But there ain’t no woman around

    No, there ain’t no woman around
    Well, I’m surrounded by these girls
    But there just ain’t no woman around

    And the girl that fills my bed
    Will hear the words I should’ve said
    To the only true love I ever found
    I’ll pretend that make-up in her purse
    Is a daydream not a curse
    That comes just to kick me down

    I can taste the youth of her kiss
    Maybe it’s the childhood that I missed
    The first time around
    There’s a weird shape to her charms
    There’s a strange meat on her arms
    But there ain’t no woman around

    No, there ain’t no woman around
    Well, I’m surrounded by these girls
    But there just ain’t no woman around…

    From the locks and curls and strings of pearls
    To the drunk and eager Jelly Girls
    It’s an all-day floor show Matinee in town
    And it suddenly occurs
    That I’m surrounded by these girls
    But there ain’t no woman around

    — The Philosopher Kings

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  66. on February 25, 2010 at 5:37 pm Chuck

    (MRA) Jack:

    That is the worst Game story I’ve ever heard in my life.

    Game is the shit you do when *you* are seducing the woman not when you have a cabbie do your heavy lifting.

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  67. on February 25, 2010 at 5:37 pm Bill

    I thought by the fact that he was not wanting to be seen making out in public indicated clearly he was seeing someone. Obviously if she reads this bullshit she sees him as the archetypal alpha that he is and is attracted to that, up to the point where he remains faithful. His public display of game is part of that attraction, as is his understanding of women. My next guess is that it is someone who has posted here in the past. Maybe roosh’s castaway.

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  68. on February 25, 2010 at 5:49 pm The Specimen

    @ planet-grok

    It has nothing to with slumming it and everything to do with having a conscience. When you have a 9+ that loves you, treats you right and plays no games, you can’t help but feel a twinge of guilt when you betray her trust and bang some other chick on the side (unless you’re a sociopath or you don’t like women). You can try to rationalize it with all the evo-psych theory you want, but at the end of the day unless you’re in an open relationship or have some other kind of understanding, it is a betrayal of her trust. I certainly carry around a healthy amount of self loathing because of this, but I feel it’s preferable to the shit kicking my hindbrain would take from my testes otherwise.

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  69. on February 25, 2010 at 6:00 pm sdaedalus

    Planet Grok:-
    That guilt comment is just part of a big beta-provider game scheme Roissy is laying down for his female readers. Now that they think they have seen a glimpse of humanity in Roissy’s dark soul, they will have to acquiesce when he emails them with an invitation to his hotel room.

    You’re probably right. What women really love about a rake is the potential for reform. The fact that it’s impossible ( & would prove a terrible disappointment if achieved) only adds to the attraction. But I’m still hoping against hope that Pupu has soothed the savage beast. Not permanently though. That would spoil all the fun.

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  70. on February 25, 2010 at 6:32 pm play station x

    Guilt? WTF?

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  71. on February 25, 2010 at 6:39 pm Welmer

    Roissy, it’s worse than that: guilt is why I got married.

    Somehow, I doubt I’m the only one…

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  72. on February 25, 2010 at 7:08 pm Tinderbox

    I’m just amazed that Jack wrote a comment not involving Twitter activism or dry humping.

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  73. on February 25, 2010 at 7:20 pm Niro

    “me me me:

    Roissy felt guilty because he has someone special in his life. He’s in loooove!

    I’m totally right, right?

    [editor: i guess it takes a cute girl to figure out the obvious. hey there sexy.]”

    First of all, good post Roissy, you are like the M. Night Shyamalan of bloggers (Pre-Lady In The Water).

    And secondly, the fact that over 20 commenters failed to figure it out before me me me means that it wasn’t too obvious. Or maybe they are like me and have an uncanny ability to not see the surprise ending that’s coming. Their straw-grasping answers are funny now that the mystery is revealed.

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  74. on February 25, 2010 at 7:34 pm coyote

    Yes, I think he likes the long term one. It’s been a long time since we’ve been treated to some good solid field reporting. Remember the post about how an alpha male should propose? he he

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  75. on February 25, 2010 at 7:38 pm sdaedalus

    On further reflection, this post may actually be about applied harem management in a small geographically concentrated area. If harem members aren’t to find out about one another, discretion is the better part of valour.

    Note: he doesn’t say he threw away the number.

    Also: is love necessarily exclusive?

    I’m becoming worried. Tread softly, Roissy, because you tread on our dreams…

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  76. on February 25, 2010 at 7:56 pm Another Alpha

    “Guilt”?

    “Gay” more like it.

    AA

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  77. on February 25, 2010 at 8:15 pm Thansus

    “[like princesses.]”

    I work for a software company. When I’m bored, I run queries to see the most common user passwords. On almost all of our clients, “princess” is in the top 10 most common passwords.. make your own conclusions!

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  78. on February 25, 2010 at 8:19 pm Rum

    If a guy has a genuine bond and attachment to a worthy female, he will always feel a stab of guilt while feasting on the sexuality of some other female. It is just the way it is. Attachment to one complicates the enjoyment of another. None of us have an awareness-mechanism that is so totally under our control that we can utterly “forget” the one waiting at home whenever we desire. In a way, it is just one of the costs of doing business.
    I suspect that R, will by and by, explain his situation.

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  79. on February 25, 2010 at 8:37 pm The JoeBot

    Guilt comes in many flavors.

    There is the sweet guilt of getting away with it, or the bitter guilt of getting caught.

    There is the guilt of a big kid when he realizes that nerds feel pain when smacked by locker doors.

    There is the guilt of the big kid when he realizes that nerdy girls usually have no concept of casual sex or natural defenses against the unbridled Id.

    There is the guilt of a woman who lies on an anonymous sex survey when asked “have you ever felt lust for another woman,” (for some, because she lied, for others because she lusts after women.)

    There is the guilt of telling your homeboys “Of course I fucked her,” when you really just snuggled.

    There is the guilt of telling your homeboys “I just gave her a ride home, you disgusting motherfucker!”, when you really just fucked her.

    There is the guilt of the married man who cheats on his wife.

    There is the guilt of the married man who cheats on his wife with her daughter (or mother, or both!)

    There is the guilt of realizing that you have fucked over too many people to ever make up for it. Or the guilt of knowing you could make up for some, but couldn’t be bothered.

    There is the guilt for not feeling guilty. Thieving, lying, killing, fucking, Catholic guilt.

    Some say that guilt is a subconscious fear of getting caught–if you were in the clear, you would never feel guilty.

    Along the same lines is the notion that “guilt is for the weak”–a statement that makes no sense to a strong person who feels guilty or an ineffectual weakling without a conscience.

    Others say that guilt is simply human–which is reduntant, as all feelings are human, from unrepentant lust to utter indifference.

    For me, guilt is usually an indication that I’ve taken more than I deserved or was offered. Guilt means I fucked up, and now someone hurts for it. Guilt is the first step toward making ammends.

    Otherwise, guilt means that I’ve been listening to Lady Gaga again, and I’m afraid that my friends will find out.

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  80. on February 25, 2010 at 8:45 pm LILGRL

    awww sounds like somebody’s got a girlfriend.

    And secondly, the fact that over 20 commenters failed to figure it out before me me me means that it wasn’t too obvious.

    srsly, guys?

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  81. on February 25, 2010 at 8:49 pm LILGRL

    @ chuck

    What’s the signal for a cockblock call off? Is it a slight nod or do the other women just have a feeling when their friend is into a guy? It would be nice (and funny) if it were some convoluted process like a third-base coach giving the sign to steal second base.

    actually, different groups of girls totally have different signs. of course, there’s always the pointed look. but yeah, back in the day a few of mine/girlfriend’s were:

    – dropping dead president’s names in the middle of conversations (most of the people around us didn’t speak english)

    – sign language (actually we used this more for communicating across loud rooms)

    – taking the straw out of your drink and cocking your head

    – tapping on your drink glass with your straw (or finger) a number of times

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  82. on February 25, 2010 at 8:52 pm Anonymous

    “arent you embarrassed at all to write something so patently false and unbearably corny?”

    was aimed at “mra jack”, not roissy not that anyone cares

    [editor: i care mr anonymous. i care.]

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  83. on February 25, 2010 at 9:08 pm Jay

    Roissy, do any of your ex-girlfriends (or current one) know about this blog?

    I imagine hiding it, and wondering if you’ll be found, would be a gnawing pain in the sack at times.

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  84. on February 25, 2010 at 9:21 pm Anou

    She sounded like a sweet girl…you seem to know the looser girls from the more naive girls. I think it’s something that only men with a lot of experience can understand and sniff out. And if you can get laid almost whenever, why would you want to target on purpose girls you know you would end up hurting?

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  85. on February 25, 2010 at 9:34 pm Crimsonride

    In which Roissy begins to reframe the entire blog. Im intrigued

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  86. on February 25, 2010 at 9:39 pm jakethesnake

    “guilt is the reason i got married”

    LOL sounds like an al bundy line

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  87. on February 25, 2010 at 9:40 pm Jay

    I gosts to know!

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  88. on February 25, 2010 at 9:54 pm Anon

    Alias Clio’s prediction that you’ll end up married in a few years might not be so far (forgive me if I am misremembering, but I feel like she said this a while ago)

    If Alias Clio said this, she isn’t all that smart after all.

    Neither is lovelysexybeauty.

    Note how women can’t separate ‘companionship’ from ‘marriage’, and also cannot grasp that divorce laws are disgustingly unfair to men.

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  89. on February 25, 2010 at 10:06 pm play station x

    As men age they become more like women and as women age they women become more like men. In other words, both are more balanced; hence the ability to better understand and relate to each other. Just one of the many benefits of aging gracefully.

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  90. on February 25, 2010 at 10:06 pm play station x

    Christ I must be drunk……

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  91. on February 25, 2010 at 10:07 pm Damagehold

    Guilt is an even bigger barrier if you feel bad about reducing her long term relationship value by upping her partner count with something short term, much less deflowering a girl. But that’s for those of us with societally sustainable values.

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  92. on February 25, 2010 at 10:26 pm Polymath

    Married, but feel no guilt about looking/lusting/chatting up. When you are wearing a ring it’s really easy to start casual conversations because of the deniability, and I never quite take the flirting to the critical point. Looking back, it is clear that for many of the women I flirted with a direct attack would have succeeded (the way you can tell is that there comes a slight but permanent drop in the temperature of the interactions, indicating that she’s “written me off” as a real possibility but still likes me enough to be friendly and chatty).

    One reason for feeling no guilt is the existence of these other objects of desire improves my marital performance (after 27 years the correlation is quite clear).

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  93. on February 25, 2010 at 10:29 pm Rum

    Play Station.
    It is late and I am sort of bent; so I do not have much time to waste.. This must be done right the first time. So…
    Cut lengthwise and deep enough to get the bright red blood spurting. Get into a hot bath. Quickly finish up your best favorite new-age death ritual bullshit. Then, go to your just reward.

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  94. on February 25, 2010 at 11:05 pm Madame Meow

    Wow, this is really quite sweet.

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  95. on February 25, 2010 at 11:36 pm Fuck Kant

    Real niggas never front.

    They’re too good to have to.

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  96. on February 25, 2010 at 11:43 pm Fuck Kant

    @ MRA

    “1) MLTR includes two who consider themselves my future wife and expect me to schedule most of my time with…making additional dating and pickups hazardous and tough to schedule in (actually the possibility of the 2 meeting makes just dealing with both of them hazardous).

    I couldn’t imagine actually being *married* and subject to real punishments should two planets collide.”

    Game is based in reality, not in your own head.

    “2) Meeting a classy and beautiful young woman who doesn’t smoke and refuses to be in discos where the smoke is thick means trying to get something going as they approach you as a perfect stranger on the street or public stairwell.”

    Think about yourself in the context of my first answer.

    “THAT is where game gets real hard to apply.”

    Look how fucking close you were to saying it correctly. Simply move “real” to between “where” and “game.”

    You damn near answered your own question! Feel good knowing that isn’t a fucking coincidence.

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  97. on February 25, 2010 at 11:58 pm psycho

    This is why game fails. At the moment of truth that will determine whether he is plunging his cock into a new hotties pussy or jacking off when he gets home we are left with “OMG I GOT HER NUMBER!”

    I don’t give a fuck how many excuses you offer up about why you didn’t leave her pussy covered in bruises and blood, the fact of the matter is you pretended to be somebody you weren’t. You displayed the aloofness of an alpha, but then succumb to “guilt” (fetal panic) when presented with young, dripping, and most importantly, new pussy. The guilt you feel is really shame; shame that the confidence you displayed that made her clit tingle was a house of cards.

    It sounds like this was your first time at this level which is why this chick is crawled up in your head.

    What lessons did you learn?

    Next time, when you two are riding home in the cab and making out, you start rubbing her tingling pussy through her jeans until she’s soaked herself. She’ll be sucking your dick the moment you two hit her couch.

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  98. on February 26, 2010 at 12:08 am The Specimen

    @ The Dude

    That was fucking poetic bro.

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  99. on February 26, 2010 at 12:13 am unlearning genius ...

    way to rationalize and reframe a loss .. if i could i would .. bro if you coulda you woulda ..

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  100. on February 26, 2010 at 12:13 am Hurst

    Good looks. The reframing methods is the meat of the post. Everyone talking about “aloofness” is unfortunately hopelessly lost. My 2c

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  101. on February 26, 2010 at 12:29 am Anonymous - SF

    “It was then that I had a revelation and stumbled upon what is the greatest obstacle to a man’s success seducing women….

    Guilt.”

    The man’s guilt or the girl’s?

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  102. on February 26, 2010 at 12:43 am Puma

    Wow, for 3 weeks in a row now, yet another Opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal on how women are craving “Marriage”.

    OPINION: TASTE
    FEBRUARY 26, 2010
    Destination: Marriage. Route: Anybody’s Guess.

    By HANNAH SELIGSON

    The onslaught of megaselling relationship books like Elizabeth Gilbert’s “Committed: A Skeptic Makes Peace With Marriage,” which sits at No. 9 on the New York Times nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Feb 19, and Lori Gottlieb’s “Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough,” which is at No. 18, might lead you to believe that female commitment-phobes and uberpicky daters are the modern obstacles to relationships and marriage.

    Yet a 2007 poll by Meredith, a research and marketing company, found that 73% of women born between 1977 and 1989 place a high priority on marriage. That sounds right to me. It’s an attitude that surfaced again and again in the interviews I conducted with young women for a book project on the long-term unmarried relationship.

    …

    http://anonym.to/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704751304575079281941642528.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion

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  103. on February 26, 2010 at 1:38 am dick fuel

    janka is on my campus, in blockradius, mighta moved here?

    excellent

    fuck government paper

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  104. on February 26, 2010 at 1:48 am El Guapo

    @PUMA

    Marry who? The alpha that makes them tingle or settle for the beta?

    The question answers itself if it is phrased as “73% of women born between 1977 and 1989 place a high priority on marriage with an alpha male.”

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  105. on February 26, 2010 at 1:56 am Fred

    Yes, it was quite obvious what the “Guilt” line was about.

    –Went out with no intention of gaming
    –Did not want to be recognized making out with the girl
    –Could have pulled but chose not to, because of guilt

    It was Colonel Mustard in the library with the candlestick. Duh.

    When I clicked to read the comments I expected to see one after another ribbing Roissy about his apparent LTR.

    I used to respect you people.

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  106. on February 26, 2010 at 2:05 am Jack Arthur

    The King

    “Emotions like guilt are for the weak. Why feel guilty for something you deserve?”

    You’ve got it backwards! The neediness is for the weak and guilt is actually a barometer that detects such delusions, and it preempts the creation of fear.

    It is the men with the highest ambitions that will feel the most guilt.

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  107. on February 26, 2010 at 2:22 am Jack Arthur

    Hurst

    “The reframing methods is the meat of the post. Everyone talking about “aloofness” is unfortunately hopelessly lost. My 2c”

    Except that attachment to methodology is a contingency. If you’re looking for green lights to spring the methods you’ve got in mind then you’re lagging.

    An aloof and uncontingent mind will allow the appropriate methodology and practical considerations to be accessed intuitively, freely, without lingering for X Y Z amount of time in her frame or your frame. If your mind is genuinely floating around outside of ‘frames’ then it is easy to understand their ephemerality and reframing becomes intuitive.

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  108. on February 26, 2010 at 2:33 am B

    No one else explains it so clearly.

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  109. on February 26, 2010 at 2:38 am msexceptiontotherule

    [editor: false premise. game is not manipulation. really, we’ve been through this before. three years of the same old same old from the haters. it’s starting to get farcical.]

    Holy crap, I can’t believe that I finally have seen someone use the word farcical. But I’m now wondering how many people had to look that one up.

    In any case, you get the maximum points for using it in a sentence correctly. Cheers.

    After the sporadic posting which resumed following the period of complete silence without any information about *why*, one would think that it might have occurred to people earlier that our man on the scene in DC might have found himself in a relationship. Not that the part about no explanation would suggest this, but for crying out loud, there are a lot of oblivious people. I won’t even get started on the other stuff. I might cry.

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  110. on February 26, 2010 at 3:05 am MRA (Jack)

    Wow. The one weeknight I go home without my laptop and I get pounced on by a few lightweights from an unlikely source, the usually intellectual Roissy blog where I hadn’t seen much dissent except for the occasional ribbing from the more promiscuous-minded who think intercourse needs to always be the measure of “success”. What was sad was to see the childish “pile-on” effect and the sense that a student can arrogantly dismiss a professor’s 7 paragraph essay with a flimsy one-liner and not stay for class. Fuck Kant: What the Hell did you even try to say? In business that kind of ambiguity would get you fired.

    Now I’ll respond to the mosquito bites graciously. They mostly showed a big misconception about life I see in the PUA community and the girly-man US culture in general: the idea that process and VENUE means more than RESULTS. On this blog, some young insecure males seem to accept the idea that kissing a short 23 year old drunken (and probably feminist) slut in a bar somehow show more game than getting an actual date with a sober 19 year old student who can still blush at the idea of going on a date. The misguided think of game as a figure skating routine (giving Roissy points for that neg and that head turn) rather than a hockey game where the object is to get the puck in the net with or without the help of wingmen, whether those wingmen are coeds themselves or, indeed, taxi drivers.

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  111. on February 26, 2010 at 3:23 am MRA (Jack)

    Now Roissy himself would have to admit that the above field report is more like a figure skating routine (great neg, perfectly executed head turn) done often by the less than 10% of men who have real game when they have enough knowledge and experience to keep younger males (in the bar) from interloping. Repartee with a drunk 23 year old American combined with pulling her onto oneself is fairly easy (now try this in 4 other languages in different parts of the world to get the full effect of the ability). Where advanced game needs to be applied is when one is walking toward a sober 10 on a street or stairwell and has only seconds to think of and execute a plausible way to meet and stay met. This blog should have more of that kind of discussion. Moreover, the real hockey game is when you leverage your abilities by getting wingmen/women to introduce you to 9s and 10s they know – saving time and making a trip to a smoky bar unnecessary and hard to fit into your schedule.

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  112. on February 26, 2010 at 3:33 am MRA (Jack)

    In the team player game of date hockey (that plays for sober 9s and 10s), if a wingman or wingwoman exaggerates a man’s financial status or whatever, that doesn’t hurt the individual who can make the most of the date secured, regardless of whether the exaggeration was responsible for securing the date itself (in this case I doubt it because I had already met the woman in the taxi for 10 minutes). The American “women rule” mentality assumes incorrectly that 1) a normal woman (non-American woman) would quickly do a background check on an American and 2) that a normal woman would reject a man she’s slept with simply because she found out that he lied about his financial status (being technically a “millionaire” in USD or not) or his age. Quite honestly, I fear my gf finding an SMS to another woman more than I fear her finding my passport and learning my real age (which would put me in the doghouse for all of an hour at most).

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  113. on February 26, 2010 at 4:00 am MRA (Jack)

    Another thing that makes the bar scene unacceptable in the USA, is that they block the very women whom Roissy agrees are what an alpha male wants most physically: the 18-20 year olds. And then the 21 year olds don’t worry that they’re getting old like they would in other societies. This isn’t sane. Few other countries copy the “not in men’s interest” pointlessness of blocking that prime age group from primary nighttime social activity. In the absence of a serious target crowd in bars, I would prefer to hear field reports from the Georgetown University library. But it wouldn’t be possible to blog about that because half the women at that library read blogs and would quickly be alerted. Similarly, if there are PUA techniques related to the Kennedy Center, tourists on the DC mall, Smithsonian…they are rarely mentioned. And I understand…Roissy feels safe talking about bars because they are so numerous and anonymous.

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  114. on February 26, 2010 at 4:16 am jakethesnake

    @MRA(Jack)

    do you really have 3 taxi driver friends that call you up whenever they have a “hot girl” for a passenger?

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  115. on February 26, 2010 at 4:36 am MRA (Jack)

    @JakeTheSnake

    Yes. Doesn’t everyone?

    Seriously, I realize that this isn’t possible in the paranoid feminist urban parts of the USA. The best 24/7 wingperson for me now is a coed stalker who I convinced months ago that she could visit me, but only if she brings along a new friend. Real game is when you get to meet a new woman in your own kitchen while you cook her a steak, feed her, etc (when Roissy is my age he’ll have retired from the bar scene as well).

    The anger the concept seemed to generate is probably because of the mistaken PUA concept that process and VENUE matter instead of results. I also think some of the anger the concept seemed to generate above comes from the fact that, in NYC and DC, taxi drivers are mostly omegas, not alphas who seduce their best looking passengers, which is what you’ll find in many other countries and in the rural USA.

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  116. on February 26, 2010 at 4:54 am MRA (Jack)

    By the way, another misguide notion expressed above and very prevalent in the American PUA community is the one perpetuated by some like Marc Rudov who only dates rich women his age: the idea that there is something wrong with providing a first date with a great meal at a cool restaurant (he doesn’t technically hold to this in that he does understand the inviter tends to pay – but some young men misunderstand him). What I think PUA industry is doing is that they want to lull career challenged young US males into feeling good about themselves and believing that game alone can help them compete with an older guy with game who also has money. But great food makes a woman feel she’s met the combo alpha/beta many seriously search for.

    I probably wouldn’t pay for drinks at a bar before having number closed. That situation is entirely different.

    Reality is, having a Lexus or Mercedes S Class in a western feminist country (feminists downgrade men of good character leaving their wards to judge men by other things) can help a man blow away many of the young men with the best “game”…and, yes, even if the car has been rented.

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  117. on February 26, 2010 at 5:02 am jack

    mra(jack) is the biggest jackass I have ever seen. Why do you write fucking essays on your comments? You are so full of shit it is unbelievable. You openly lie about your wealth and your age and then expect women to not find out? Fucking moron. They can tell you are poor as shit when they go to your house/apartment and it is a piece of shit. Shut the fuck up with your comments you old ass fucking grandpa. Nobody believes your shit.

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  118. on February 26, 2010 at 5:37 am MRA (Jack)

    Listen fool – you wouldn’t say that to my face so keep your own lack of manners and insecurities about older guys taking women away from you to yourself. You have nothing to contribute here and you’d be ignored in a bar or beach competition for a woman because you apparently cannot put two paragraphs together into a coherent essay.

    If you could read, I neither lied to anyone about my wealth (a wingman did and it wasn’t a big deal as they often exaggerate for effect) and how the fuck do you know what my wealth is or what my apartment looks like?

    I just noted in a comment not yet visible that the best way to meet women is in your OWN apartment. That has to be top class. Don’t project your own sorry living conditions onto others.

    As for age, any man over 35 in the USA has no choice but to lie if he wants an 8+ between 18-21.

    You, the younger insecure man, still lose either way. In most countries, it doesn’t matter to a woman to learn a man lied about his age after she falls in love or sleeps with him.

    So fuck off son.

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  119. on February 26, 2010 at 5:40 am MRA (Jack)

    The answer to that was too long. Young fools who are insecure about older guys taking women their age need to be asking advice, not lashing out. Anyone who can read will note a wingman said I was a millionaire and where the fuck did I say I’m not? I’ve noted that I meet women through friends in my own great apartment. Don’t project your own sorry living conditions on your betters. All men over 35 have to lie about their age to bed 18-21 yr olds in the anti-male USA.

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  120. on February 26, 2010 at 5:56 am LILGRL

    All right, everyone who thinks MRA (Jack)’s taxi-driver-wingman-gorgeous-“coed” (SRSLY dude, how old are you?) story is not fiction, raise your hand.

    Just curious.

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  121. on February 26, 2010 at 5:59 am MRA (Jack)

    By the way, MRAs often have problems with younger guys who resent older guys who move in on their territory and, consequently, don’t want to see the systematic attempt by feminists and older “Christian” evangelist women to force older men into not abandoning them, often via shaming techniques that say “nobody younger wants your ass grandpa”. It causes younger insecure and short-sighted males to unwittingly carry water for or support the feminist or evangelical cause against the older guys.

    We’ve recently discussed this at length in other posts with emphasis on bullshit movies like “Its Complicated” where Alex Baldwin is supposedly in lust with 60 year old Meryl Streep as his ex-wife. The NOW said of the Palin-Letterman joke “It is violent that Letterman envisioned a 34 year old Alex Rodriguez with an 18 year old Bristol Palin”. WTF?

    On Twitter last year, a 23 year old “MRA” musician admitted he hated how successful men in the music industry were scoring with all his female peers. He didn’t want MRAs to publicly discuss the feminist fight against older men dating younger women for that reason. His resentment was too strong. He could not think long term, like 7 years into the future when the feminists would start to think of him as an older man to be regulated into dating his own age.

    Delaware has a new law that says the age of consent rises the moment a man turns 30…WTF? 29 year old men are different?

    Maryland is about to pass a law today that will force Maryland males to be fingerprinted before they can talk to a Russian woman online (based on testimony that older males date younger foreign females in order to have someone to “control” rather than to have someone hot).

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  122. on February 26, 2010 at 6:32 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    LIL:

    All right, everyone who thinks MRA (Jack)’s taxi-driver-wingman-gorgeous-”coed” (SRSLY dude, how old are you?) story is not fiction, raise your hand.

    Just curious.

    Aw, come on, you know it’s hot.

    The best part is when the locks click shut, the “cabbie” cackles demonically and calmly removes his “license” from the glass partition, and the foxy coed feels the last embers of hope slowly fading to black: “I should’ve noticed that all the windows were tinted jet black,” she sighs to herself as she steels herself for the “hot date” that Mama always warned her about.

    This was my favorite:

    having a Lexus… in a western feminist country … can help a man blow away many of the young men with the best “game”

    (emphasis mine)

    A Lexus is a status symbol? Where the fuck do you live? York, Pennsylvania?

    I think I’ll follow this template, actually. I think I’ll sell the cars I have now, and use the proceeds to acquire a couple of Lexi and a small, trusted camarilla of flunkies that can moonlight as “cab drivers” (or even as “policemen” in the event that the nice coed wasn’t happy with her “hot date”).

    You’re right – you should’ve charged for this advice.

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  123. on February 26, 2010 at 6:37 am LILGRL

    @ Epoxy

    A camarilla of flunkies!

    [editor: flunkies? how old *are* you?]

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  124. on February 26, 2010 at 6:42 am LILGRL

    @ Epoxy

    Aw, come on, you know it’s hot.

    You’re right, it is hot. SPR CAB GAME, is what it sounds like. Allow me to demonstrate how vulnerable hot young coeds are to said game:

    Once, I was in a cab and my cab driver turned around and said, “Hey, I’m just going to pick up that sexy older gentleman to share this lovely cab ride with your young, nubile self.”

    And I was like, “Oh HELL NO.”

    Oh, wait, that didn’t work out so well for the sexy older gentleman. Well, I’m sure it could have in a different world.

    —

    To be fair, all first-time fiction writers make the mistake of forgetting how real humans interact with each other. He’ll get better.

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  125. on February 26, 2010 at 7:02 am MRA (Jack)

    You are not that good looking LilGirl. Don’t flatter yourself. Arrogant young American women are being replaced. Guys your own age certainly aren’t going to marry you.

    My gf is 24 and an 8 and marriage material. I technically ought to take what I’ve got and not go for what’s behind door number 3.

    I think I hit a few insecure people’s buttons when I jokingly said “I should charge for advice”. But, for men who live in non-paranoid countries where taxi drivers drive great cars with no scary partitions (passengers sit in the front seat) and have status in their communities (not omegas like in NYC), the taxi advice was probably worth hundreds (if one values an introduction to someone 8+ at approximately $40 on the open market). It was just a post. Not supposed to have become a big deal either.

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  126. on February 26, 2010 at 7:24 am krauserpua

    Day game is my thing. I’m now gonna consider MRA Jack as the anti-day game. I shall learn by doing the opposite of what he recommends. Kind of like watching CNBC for stock tips.

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  127. on February 26, 2010 at 7:29 am Rahmuluan

    @MRA(Jack)

    You make perfect sense and you’ve made some of the most interesting posts on this blog. And I don’t understand the gay boys being so upthset with your poths. A bar, no matter which country, can be fun but the real entertainment is the hottie walking across the street or working in a shop. She doesn’t go to bars and nightclubs because, well, just a bunch a horny guys hitting on her in a place with lots of smoking, drinking and boring drunk people. Can’t imagine that most hot women don’t go to bars….shocker really!

    Throw in the language barrier and you have a real challenge ahead. But it’s a great time and a great game. Sunny day, sleek girl after girl in a modest skirt and crisp blouse gyrating around. Heaven. But how do you get in there?

    Obviously MRA(Jack), you have money so to insinuate that you have a bit more is really not a problem. I assume you are on a expat package so any apartment is going to be a high level.

    I like the taxi driver angle. Clever. Bring the hotties to you. Cabbies love it because he makes a bit of coin, gets rid of some boredom and it’s fun. Girl gets a quality, tall dark stranger with some money. You get someone else bird dogging great looking women for you. Win, win and win.

    “Sir, another visa issue has come up”

    “Show her in”

    I once had a bartender who I was friends with give me a call anytime 8,9 and 10’s would come into a small bar. Beautiful. Bar is empty, I would ignore them for the first 15 minutes, not even look at them, just so happy to see my old mate. They couldn’t understand how they weren’t noticed!

    Thanks…need to get in the Sun Tzu mode again….not Private First Class mode of game!

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  128. on February 26, 2010 at 7:30 am Cannon's Canon

    the ass-grinding, neck-kissing, and even the aroma description are too vivid for the LTR to process without irrational fury.

    i’ve concluded that roissy is weathering some accusation of cheating from his girl, and this post is going into a detail that his girl can rest assured is false. maybe he was spotted and snitched on, or maybe he got called on a late night out. it’s that shit-test response of amplifying her concern playfully so that it becomes ridiculous. “i’m so mad you were flirting with that girl in there!” “why be mad about that girl, i also flirted with two dozen others while you weren’t looking.”

    in this case, it’s more like “i’m mad that you still run that game bullshit on girls at the bars.” and the response is “oh my game is tight, this one girl for instance loved how i kissed and fondled her, and wanted to take me home, too bad i don’t still do that.” it’s a solid routine.

    unfortunately, now comes the part where i say that i don’t think this field report actually happened.

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  129. on February 26, 2010 at 7:37 am Rahmuluan

    Lil Grl and Little Jack are cunts. It’s a wonder that they agree! A little good old fashioned, American girl on girl action is always fun!

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  130. on February 26, 2010 at 7:53 am MRA (Jack)

    Thanks to the real males here for speaking up.

    Yes, having a bartender call you when a certain type shows up is something I hadn’t yet put in practice. Stupid of me. Thanks for the great insight.

    See…that makes my having posted the taxi idea worthwhile and shows what a worthless pile of shit some of the naysayers were.

    They had zero PUA value, zero wingman value.

    @krauserpua So you won’t accidentally get in the way of a 10 coming in your direction and apologize (even though it sometimes causes a good woman to stop to try to make you feel better for being concerned about getting in her way). You won’t get day wingwomen and day wingmen who know your type and can leverage your brand, you don’t like the idea of having a bartender friend call you when a 10 arrives…OK. Good luck asshole.

    Seriously, the type of low self-esteem person who joins a “pile-on” of fake perceptions shouldn’t be the average Roissy reader.

    @Roissy You are seeing manifestations of two phenoms here that aren’t in your interest to tolerate without a few posts on the subject: 1) western misandry toward men over 40 designed to stop them from dating younger women and 2) the attempt by feminists and their clueless (often PUA) enablers to pretend that another world does not exist (or is “developing” or “disadvantaged”) where men who take care of themselves (stay healthy and fit) can date whom they want into their 70s if they have the brains and the guts to ask so they shall receive.

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  131. on February 26, 2010 at 8:02 am MRA (Jack)

    Actually, the disbelief that life can be better in the east and eastern europe drives a sad PUA meme that nothing in the external environment affects his happiness…as in it is supposedly all in his hands…Game Ueber Alles. In reality, when a man relocates even if only to a spring break resort, he quickly learns that game is less than half of what brings happiness and the rest is location, location, location

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  132. on February 26, 2010 at 8:21 am Laura

    I think you guys should give MRA (Jack) a break. I enjoy reading his comments.

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  133. on February 26, 2010 at 8:36 am Zeffrey

    Roissy,

    What phone do you have? keeping track of soo many numbers must be a pain….

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  134. on February 26, 2010 at 8:37 am lover of women

    is that the same mra (jack)?? – a few weeks ago who wrote some “SUCCESS” story with a young neighbor girl who wanted to borrow $20 – …then you smoothly got her to come over and mastrubate you thru your thin pajamas for $200 … strong move – like eating road kill for dinner

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  135. on February 26, 2010 at 8:55 am Rahmuluan

    Actually, Epoxytocin No. 87 sounds like a failed herpes med gone bad. Hopefully 88 will work for you.

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  136. on February 26, 2010 at 9:00 am MRA (Jack)

    Lover of Women Who Love Gay Men,

    She was 18 asshole. And that happened to be the part of my body that needed a massage that day. Fat chance I was going to draw her into a “relationship” where she might try to wreck things with my gf.

    Now she is a co-conspirator – but I am not interested in another such encounter, especially not for money (I’d feel so used) – so she will come over to watch a good movie now and then. Women don’t naturally stick together to stop cads. Feminism artificially creates such “solidarity”. It isn’t real.

    But we just witnessed in this gay man’s outburst how the feminists and their gay and evangelical male (almost the same thing) brethren attack older males in force: they think they are going for the jugular by projecting child status onto 18 year olds. Never mind that the age of consent is still 16 almost everywhere on Earth except where its 15 (Germany and France) or 17 (Northern Ireland, Texas, New Jersey, etc) or its 16 until a man is 30 as in Delaware, after which it becomes 18 to prevent him from becoming a “dirty old man”.

    Witness how the former supermodel Christie Brinkley blew up when her 10 years younger husband was found to be having an affair with an 18 year old. She cried “pedophile” in the hope of not having to pay him a huge alimony payment for his infidelity (he got paid a ton of $ in the divorce anyway).

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  137. on February 26, 2010 at 9:30 am PA

    What older guys who demand legal access to very young women (15-16) forget is that those teens, as cute as they are, aren’t some random unconnected to anyone hatchlings, prancing around to tease and frustrate you. They are somebody’s daughters, and as such it is difficult to imagine a world in which normal men would put up with a legal system that sanctions their high school-aged girls being “swooped” by 30-40-somethings. At least not as long as they are obliged to house and feed them.

    I do appreciate the natural dynamic of two people in the primes of their lives coming together — 30-something men and teenage girls — but in the past the only way this happened is if the girl was given in marriage or was a prostitute.

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  138. on February 26, 2010 at 10:04 am Madras

    Yo…MRA Jack,

    Who in the hell uses the term “coeds”? Are you f-in serious?

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  139. on February 26, 2010 at 10:10 am lover of women

    MRA

    ohhhhhhh! she was 18…and now she’s a co- conspirator

    – I stand corrected …im going clubbing tonight with hundred dollar bills and candy pinned to the outside of my shirt

    if that doesn’t work I will find some passed out drunk chics at the end of the night…just snuggle up and see if they tell me to stop

    ..I have a good feeling aboout tonight ..thanks for the tips

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  140. on February 26, 2010 at 10:24 am PlanetGrok

    MRA Jack is the most unintentionally funny commenter this side of the blogosphere since David Alexander.

    I sill can’t get over the comment of his regarding his “harem” of women he doesn’t have sex with.

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  141. on February 26, 2010 at 10:34 am MRA (Jack)

    Actually, the father/suitor adversarial role seems to continue well past a woman’s 25th birthday. My gf’s father considers her to be daddy’s little girl at age 24 and demands she be home around 11PM (which is fine with me because it allows me to make good night calls elsewhere).

    But often, anywhere in the world, the father of an 18 year old woman will, if divorced, widowed and normal, not have a problem dating a woman not so much older than she is – unless one is talking about an American socon who was socially engineered to rebel against himself.

    This is not to say that it isn’t normal for a man to date and marry his own age – there are plenty of beautiful older women – it is just that it is perfectly normal for a man to want to date someone 18-21 as an option, even if he has an adult daughter.

    European men don’t really “demand access” to 15 and 16 year olds while it is rather scary to frame it that way. They just don’t want to put themselves into jeopardy like American men did where the consent age would go up and then men would be arrested who were verbally TOLD by the female that she was of the new higher age.

    So the proper way to put it – as Glenn Sacks of the men’s rights movement would agree – is that men aren’t going to willingly set each other up for injustice.

    In other words there was a bait and switch in the USA that ruined some innocent men’s lives. Men assumed they were just raising the age of consent somewhere while the laws were also changing quietly to say a man is guilty even if the female tells him she is of age.

    The hit movie in Italy last year was a slightly scandalous one about a 38 year old man and a 17 year old female faling in love – implying that 16 is considered too young in Italy. The movie will never be shown in the USA despite its mainstream status in Italy as the top film.

    In Europe, a lot of men don’t want to raise the age of consent because wise men want a buffer to exist because they know the dishonesty of what man-haters did in the USA. Interestingly, in Sweden where the men were pussy enough to allow a law making it a criminal offense to go to a room with a whore, they actually lowered the age of consent…but that was because the lesbian feminists had their own interest in doing that. European lesbians, unlike Amerian lesbians who want to see more hetero males jailed, are in favor of having 16 year old lovers, like Janet Reno had a 16 year female lover undressed in the back seat when the Florida police arrested her (and let her go) when she was US Attorney General.

    British lesbians want to lower the age of consent to 14! If it happens, it won’t be because men wanted that.

    Finally there is the bizarre case of one of the more unconstititional American laws: the so-called “Protect Act” is the first law in the history of the world (not even the Romans went this far) that says that an American citizen BELONGS to the USA no matter where he is in the world and that, if he has sex with someone under 18 anywhere, he can be prosecuted in the USA. The US federal courts quickly saw that, since most US states had an age of consent of 16, the federal law was too much that way so they lowered the age to 16 (no thanks to an overanxious Congress).

    American men can live with this bizarre extra-jurisdictional law that claims the USA owns us overseas instead of us being subject to local laws. However, it is disturbing that the Bush Administration really pushed the prosecution of a gay man in Pennsylvania who had only allegedly made sexual propositions to some 15 year old Moldavian youths who only laughed at him in return.

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  142. on February 26, 2010 at 10:40 am Laura

    MRA(Jack)

    I think feminists can often be ridiculous, however I think you are being a little unfair blaming all of you frustrations with women on them. Maybe some of the problem is your own unrealistic expectations. When a 50 year old man is trying to pick up women in the 18-21 year old age group he is competing with a lot of other men. When I was that age I remember having crushes on older men, but I also remember getting quite a bit of attention from men in general. (I’m no great beauty either but I was thin and young) A girl can’t date all of them, she has to choose.

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  143. on February 26, 2010 at 10:51 am MRA (Jack)

    PlanetGrok – Get over it – especially your joy in being what you incorrectly perceive as someone being trounced upon (you seem like the kind of guy who would jump out of a foxhole in WW2 and tell the Japanese “there he is”).

    I remember us agreeing that Roissy’s harem concept definitely did not include holding hands and I stood corrected as saying that holding hands makes a woman a potential harem “recruit”. Also, the Roissy post was about men having harems so its out of context to make it sound like anyone was bragging about the women around them being in a harem. I didn’t just jump on a forum and start saying in an off-topic way. “Hey, I have a harem”.

    Meanwhile, has it been resolved that “harem” membership necessarily involves a man exposing himself to diseases by having to service, for instance, more than 2 or 3 women in the same general time period?

    I haven’t seen your 7 paragraph essay on how genital warts, the most contagious of all STDs, aren’t a serious problem to avoid especially if you have a wife or gf.

    I think its non-productive for any PUA to regard intercourse so highly when I am sure the majority of men are not so promiscuous as to want to seriously be having sex with more than 3 women in any given time period.

    Lover of Women Who Love Gay Men:

    If you’re gay, you would probably prefer 18 year old men so stop your whining.

    I see you add the Marxist feminist concern that hetero men you don’t like are probably also into date rape. Nice segway.

    Too many gays and feminists and politically correct “males” on the Roissy blog lately along with young guys imagining they would actually have intercourse with 10 women back to back if they had the opportunity…which, by the way, is almost certain proof that the guy in question is not actually running a surplus of opportunities but wishes he was.

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  144. on February 26, 2010 at 11:00 am MRA (Jack)

    Hi Laura – I think you must have understood that I am somehow still living among US feminists. Haven’t done that in 6 years. Back then I dated 22 year olds, one of whom was a feminist who did not reject me for my age (we split company when I got tired of her cheering when US soldiers were killed in Iraq).

    But I saw the storm clouds brewing for what it would be like to grow a little older in the USA. The father of a Christian woman was furious that his daughter was going out with a man my age. Everyone was wondering if he was going to come over to the house she and I were living in and shoot me. Some “Christian” he was.

    The problem really isn’t in how the young women think abuot older males, but how some of the more insecure older women try to cockblock in bizarre ways, often involving lawmaking and major media reporting.

    Plenty of men on this blog know exactly what I am talking about.

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  145. on February 26, 2010 at 11:08 am PA

    The father of a Christian woman was furious that his daughter was going out with a man my age.

    It doesn’t take much to turn a naturally antagonistic father against you if you respectfully address his doubts and come across as sincere and decent guy toward him, even if you are much older trhat his daughter.

    Everyone was wondering if he was going to come over to the house she and I were living in and shoot me. Some Some “Christian” he was.

    Sounds like an excellent Christian to me. You’re mistaking Christainity for Ned Flanderism. A real Christian will kill or die to protect his own.

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  146. on February 26, 2010 at 11:26 am Chant

    To MRA (Jack)

    ”But often, anywhere in the world, the father of an 18 year old woman will, if divorced, widowed and normal, not have a problem dating a woman not so much older than she is – unless one is talking about an American socon who was socially engineered to rebel against himself.

    This is not to say that it isn’t normal for a man to date and marry his own age – there are plenty of beautiful older women – it is just that it is perfectly normal for a man to want to date someone 18-21 as an option, even if he has an adult daughter.”

    I’m living in East Europe and my father has a beautiful girlfriend who is 3 years older than I am (I’m 19, soon 20). I have never heard nobody from my family (even my mother) making a comment that she is too young for him. This is normal for us.

    Here it is important for women to be as beautiful as they can be and it is only a compliment if older and wiser men appreciate the beauty. Of course I can see the pride in my fathers eyes when his friends are giving him props on making such a fine young lady.

    And i as well am involved with an older man. And im loving every moment of it.

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  147. on February 26, 2010 at 11:30 am Laura

    MRA (Jack)

    I personally admire an older man with some life in him. As long as you’re not forcing these young women against their will (which you’re obviously not) I say good luck to you. There is nothing wrong with a man trying to stay young in mind and body. I’m not sure why so many of the other men on this blog have it in for you, jealousy perhaps?

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  148. on February 26, 2010 at 11:48 am Laura

    MRA (Jack)

    Thinking back to when I was young I do think there was some subtle discouragement against dating much older men. I never was with a man much older than me and now wonder what it would have been like. I think I missed out.

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  149. on February 26, 2010 at 12:10 pm jakethesnake

    MRA (Jack)

    i just used your cabdriver day game. i was skeptical at first but when he told that girl i was a millionaire it worked. i’m taking her out to dinner next week.

    where should i take her? nothing gets panties wet like a $100 steak right?

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  150. on February 26, 2010 at 12:30 pm Bill

    MRA (Jack), good on you for doing what you do; I don’t begrudge you chasing younger women, and I want no part of those airheads anyway, so have at it. Your posts, on the other hand, are obnoxious simply because of the sheer number, and how you whine like a little girl when criticized. Also you make statements like “You, surprisingly, are very much my type,” as if that wasn’t the fourty-seventh time a hot girl had heard that on the same day. Instead of blaming everyone else for your problems (feminists, younger men, young women, liberals) try looking at your own empty life and see if there’s not something there to fix. I get that buying women works; it’s called the oldest profession for a reason. News flash, fucking isn’t everything.

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  151. on February 26, 2010 at 2:00 pm The Alchemist

    MRA Jack is writing volumes trying to qualify himself…

    Insecure, low status and celibate is no way to go through life, Jack. So, shut your yap and take note of what people are telling you, you’ll be better off for it.

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  152. on February 26, 2010 at 3:53 pm LILGRL

    [editor: flunkies? how old *are* you?]

    I believe he’s in his 30’s.

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  153. on February 26, 2010 at 8:38 pm Fuck Kant

    @MRA

    Sorry, sir. I meant no disrespect in my post and sincerely misread what was going on.

    I had no idea what your age was or the true depth of your reasoning, and that is on me.

    Good Luck.

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  154. on February 26, 2010 at 11:00 pm Josh

    Having someone to ferry you sober 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s on the regular is pretty cool in my opinion, better than your average social circle way of meeting people by far. My only gripe with it is that it lacks balls. I have a 19-year old little brother who fakes being a rich drug-dealer and rents the basement of a mansion on the cheap to throw parties and impress chicks. You’re no different.

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  155. on February 27, 2010 at 2:32 am MRA (Jack)

    Typo above as it should say: feminists always label men as “insecure, low-status and celibate” if those men try to post their thoughts into the endless stream of *misandry*, not misogyny.

    @Laura I don’t think it was direct envy that motivated some ire but, rather, the one little word “millionaire” (that I almost didn’t write) nestled deep in a comment set off some insecurity alarm bells ringing that I didn’t expect were there. Some fervently wanted to believe that anyone who would say they are a millionaire, or anyone of whom a taxi driver would say was a millionaire, couldn’t possibly be doing well financially (as if “real” alpha millionaires are all cool and would play fair and not use their assets to blow away other alphas). Remember I’ve noted that the prime weakness of the PUA movement is the religious desire to believe nothing in the external environment, including money, should affect whether a man succeeds or not.

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  156. on February 27, 2010 at 11:09 am Fuck Kant

    Love that last sentence.

    It is definitely one of the limiting beliefs in the seduction community, but I think they are starting to realize it.

    If you wanna be an alpha, go think something and make it, period.

    Or jerk yourself off before you cry yourself to sleep like the bitch you are.

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  157. on February 27, 2010 at 1:45 pm john

    MRAjack is fucking hilarious. He it a total beta. Direct quote: “All men over 35 have to lie about their age to bed 18-21 yr olds in the anti-male USA.”

    So you are saying you have to lie about your age, have a taxi driver say you are a millionaire, etc for you to have any chance at all? You are fucking loser beta. Shut the fuck up with your nonsense.

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  158. on February 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm Retired Alpha

    I rarely encounter angry fathers, because most of the girls I bang don’t know who their fathers are, and neither do their mothers. (And the mothers frequently try to game *me*.)

    See, family disintegration has an upside.

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  159. on February 28, 2010 at 3:52 am anoukange

    I called the long term months ago…I could tell by the way you were writing.

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  160. on January 12, 2011 at 4:07 am MRA (Jack)

    Noting that the PUA scene has “grown up” in the past year, it would be interesting to know if there is anyone subscribed to this old post who might (still) be against the idea of having a bartender or limo driver identify and qualify *some* of your dates by playing you up and introducing you to each other.

    In other words, would anyone here turn *down* a date with a 19 year old after a limo driver played you up to her and she was interested?

    History shows I won the flame war above with others helping out at the time. The arguments against what I said were pathetically anti-intellectual and focused on process as opposed to results.

    KrausePUA: Do you still think the above was anti-day-game?

    What is more significant is that nobody ever again tried to argue on this blog that it is supposedly beta to use wingmen or lie about one’s age when necessary (and it is almost always necessary when a man is over 35 and the woman is 19).

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