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February 26, 2010 by CH

Mr. Rudy writes:

REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION

OK, maybe it’s not that important, but seriously:  do you ever feel slightly bad for Alpha-ing a chick to the point when she’s in a puddle of her own tears and you’ve moved on weeks or months ago??  I know what you’re going to say, but really, aren’t some chicks going to have a happier life never having known an Alpha and content in their Oprah-watching life, not asking many questions while they pass their days with some clueless Beta??  I say this as a full Alpha with maybe some Beta guilt.  Because I can’t count how many chicks I’ve done this to, where they are left to pick up the pieces and wonder what happened…

-Guilty (kinda) in San Diego

p.s. Think about it a while before you respond, it’s not as cut and dry as you think…

There are a few women in my life I feel bad about having hurt. A man who never feels bad for any women he has hurt is either a spergy monster machine or he has never loved a woman enough to feel guilt for causing her pain. I emphasize “few”. Only the vulnerable women who gave me every last ounce of their hearts received the blessing of my guilt when I hurt them. If I wasn’t selective with my emotions I’d be a diagnosed depressive spending my waking hours flagellating myself for the tortures I’ve inflicted on all those innocent babes.

Then of course there are those women who deserve the opposite treatment. Rest assured my karmic scales are balanced.

***

Anonymous wrote:

CH, much of what you say is hilarious, but filled with wisdom. I am dealing with something that needs your insight.

I have been dating a specific woman for two months, along with taking other women out.

On our first date, after a few beers, I told her, “If we have sex, you need to know that I will lick your pussy, you can blow me, and i will fuck you in the ass, but I won’t fuck your vagina.”

For two weeks, I got to do all three on an almost nightly basis….usually in my car.

Then, one night, having a sore back from the incorrect posture of sitting in the backseat foot well while enjoying lunch one too many times, I decided to get a hotel room.

She put the condom on me, then acted like she was backing her ass to my cock then quickly slipped it in her pussy instead. So, for the next hour, I let her rock out, then climbed on top to finish the job.

That was the last time we had sex.

I need to understand what happened.

For the next month, she seemed to flip out at the least misstep. Thinking I worked everything out, still no sex after the hotel.

Then, this week, I sent her a text, having not seen her for a week, “Hey Baby, I miss you.”

She sends back, “I know.”

Screwed in the head by this response (I wanted a, “I miss you, too,” response) I sent her another , “You know I miss you?”

“Yes, I do.”

So I text her back, “Then, good. I don’t need to tell you any more.”

Silence for an hour.

I text her again, “It really hurts that the more I tell you I desire you, the less you tell me you desire me.”

She texts back, “I have had it with your shit. Don’t ever call or text me again.”

“No worries. I won’t.” I send.

“Good, I won’t miss you.”

I text back, “I know.”

That’s the end of it. How could I have handled it better and not beta?

(Reason for no vag sex is because of some state laws.)

First, your texting was atrocious. Major Jumbotron fail. As for why she freaked out after vaj sex? A few thoughts spring to mind. She’s hyper-religious. She’s had an abortion in the past. She has AIDs. She was cheating on someone with you. She got indoctrinated in the interim by a Take Back The Night anti-date rape crusade of butch lesbians. I was thinking maybe you were bad in bed, but you wrote that you two did it for over an hour, usually the sign of a woman who is enjoying herself.

A bigger question is why you would tell her you won’t bang her in the vaj but you’ll do her in the ass? Is this supposed to be the 21st century version of chivalry? If there’s a state law against vaj sex (? is she underage?), then I’m sure it applies to ass sex as well. Otherwise, don’t assume a woman’s feelings about vaj sex are your moral crisis. Your job as a man, should you take it, is to seduce the woman and bang her every which way you can get away with. If she doesn’t want it in the vaj, let her decide that for herself.

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Ariel wrote:

I just had a really good idea for passing these shit tests where the woman is seeking validation or compliments.

When you identify a shit test, for example a woman says “I hate this dress, it makes me look fat…” or something stupid like that, find the nearest guy, or even girl, and ask them if they like her dress or if it makes her look fat or whatever relates best to her shit test.

Being that generally people are polite, they’ll compliment or validate her INSTEAD OF YOU!

Instead of GIVING AWAY your power, you’re actually DEMONSTRATING POWER over somebody else, and making her FEEL BETTER about whatever she was concerned about at the same time. Everybody’s satisfied!

I just had to get that out there. It struck me as brilliant.

I like it. Very shrewd. Just be careful not to ask a guy like me if your girlfriend looks fat in that dress if she really is fat. I might stick the shiv in real deep and tell her that style is too revealing for a woman of her… class.

***

We’re getting closer to defeating humanity’s cruelest disease:

Researchers develop dietary formula that maintains youthful function into old age

HAMILTON, ON. February 11, 2010 – Researchers at McMaster University have developed a cocktail of ingredients that forestalls major aspects of the aging process. […]

The study found that a complex dietary supplement powerfully offsets this key symptom of ageing in old mice by increasing the activity of the cellular furnaces that supply energy—or mitochondria— and by reducing emissions from these furnaces—or free radicals—that are thought to be the basic cause of ageing itself.

Using bagel bits soaked in the supplement to ensure consistent and accurate dosing, the formula maintained youthful levels of locomotor activity into old age whereas old mice that were not given the supplement showed a 50 per cent loss in daily movement, a similar dramatic loss in the activity of the cellular furnaces that make our energy, and declines in brain signaling chemicals relevant to locomotion. This builds on the team’s findings that the supplement extends longevity, prevents cognitive declines, and protects mice from radiation.

Ingredients consists of items that were purchased in local stores selling vitamin and health supplements for people, including vitamins B1, C, D, E, acetylsalicylic acid, beta carotene, folic acid, garlic, ginger root, ginkgo biloba, ginseng, green tea extract, magnesium, melatonin, potassium, cod liver oil, and flax seed oil. Multiple ingredients were combined based on their ability to offset five mechanisms involved in ageing.

I’ll be a happier man than I already am if we can put a stop to the scourge of declining female beauty.

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Because sometimes a reminder is needed:

Optimal Waist-to-Hip Ratios in Women Activate Neural Reward Centers in Men

Secondary sexual characteristics convey information about reproductive potential. In the same way that facial symmetry and masculinity, and shoulder-to-hip ratio convey information about reproductive/genetic quality in males, waist-to-hip-ratio (WHR) is a phenotypic cue to fertility, fecundity, neurodevelopmental resources in offspring, and overall health, and is indicative of “good genes” in women. Here, using fMRI, we found that males show activation in brain reward centers in response to naked female bodies when surgically altered to express an optimal (~0.7) WHR with redistributed body fat, but relatively unaffected body mass index (BMI). Relative to presurgical bodies, brain activation to postsurgical bodies was observed in bilateral orbital frontal cortex. While changes in BMI only revealed activation in visual brain substrates, changes in WHR revealed activation in the anterior cingulate cortex, an area associated with reward processing and decision-making. When regressing ratings of attractiveness on brain activation, we observed activation in forebrain substrates, notably the nucleus accumbens, a forebrain nucleus highly involved in reward processes. These findings suggest that an hourglass figure (i.e., an optimal WHR) activates brain centers that drive appetitive sociality/attention toward females that represent the highest-quality reproductive partners. This is the first description of a neural correlate implicating WHR as a putative honest biological signal of female reproductive viability and its effects on men’s neurological processing.

Executive summary: No fat chicks.

***

S. wrote:

Say you go to a bar and strike a conversation with two girls. One is really hot. The other one is a classic beta.

The hot one says, “Dude, you’re nuts, totally, Avatar, was, like, awesome! Hurt what? Sorry, haven’t seen that one. But, seriously, come on, Avatar was AWESOME! Like, fucking, really… I mean, great movie. Remember how he goes PFFF on that dragon? I can’t believe you didn’t get it.” And she wrinkles her pretty nose. And the bar stand is reflected in her eyes. When it’s not reflected, you can see the back of her head in there. Sort of.

The other girl is smart and funny and loved District 9. She wants to discuss the 2blowhards blog with you or the latest article in New Yorker. She is flirty and has a nice smile. The problem is… what was her problem? Oh, I remember now. Her BMI is 27. She’s not gorgeous. Her hair is slightly frizzy.

Needless to say, you are going to leave with the first girl. Right? ‘Cause, you know, she’s like, awesome, dude.  And you want to fuck, not discuss Almodovar. You already have a great outlet for your intellect – this blog.

Sigh.

I find your cynicism and rejection of bland political correctness refreshing. But I would love, love, love to talk to you in 20 years. Heck, make that 10.

Next time you are in Potomac/Rockville area, let me know. I have many more questions to ask. (Oh, and don’t worry: I am almost 40, have two kids, wear size 10-12, and am not interested in Greek alphabet measurements of human worth, even sexual worth. Just immensely curious.)

You keep writing.
S.

“PFFF on that dragon”. Lol.

Taking your scenario at face value (that is, I’ll dismiss for the moment the valid objection that it is presumptuous to assume a random hot chick a man meets must be a bubblehead), I’m afraid you won’t like my answer.

Here, across the internet where I can’t know what you look like, I’m drawn to your style. Left to my own imagination, I would have envisioned you as sexy as possible. But now that I know you are almost 40, with two kids, and a BMI of 27, you might say the blood has been let out of my chub. I don’t relish this fact. I’m a slave to my bioalgorithm as much as you are, as we all are. I cannot will myself to feel sexually attracted to an unattractive woman no matter how cleverly obscure her cultural references.

So the answer to your question is: yes, I would take the hotter chick home. And I would continue dating women who met both my criteria of physical attractiveness as well as mental stimulation.

***

Smoke wrote:

I have a super hot Polish cleaning lady. She’s maybe 22 and comes to clean through a service twice a month.

Any tips on closing her?

Ah, Polish girls. Beautiful, romantic, sweetly naive Polish girls. I have a gripping story about a Polish girl I loved that I thought about revealing on this blog, but decided against. Maybe I’ll save it for the book.

Tip: She’s a cleaning lady and foreign. Your status is already sky high relative to hers, so you need to connect with her by bridging the gap. Right now, she truly believes you are out of her league, and will likely deflect any of your flirting with her because of this. A little alpha-style self-deprecation is in order. (Don’t go overboard.) Learn a couple of funny Polish words and mispronounce them on purpose. She’ll giggle and correct you. You’re off to the races.

***

Sman wrote:

Hey!!!! Thanks again for another round of reader replies. I wanted to bring something to your attention.

A friend recently showed me a clip from the Tyra Banks show about women that train their young daughters to be gold diggers from an early age.

How early? The youngest girl there was 6 years old.

Early intervention is always best, I say. But a difficulty presents itself when attempting to instill the righteous values of reductionism in your little princesses — at 6 years old you can’t be sure she’ll grow up hot enough to successfully play the golddigger game. Parents of ugly daughters may want to take this into consideration and fast track their little monsters into Womyn’s Studies at the overpriced private grad school of their choice, where she’ll be safe from the predations of men and their penetrating rapebringers.

***

Anise wrote in a comment to my HIIIII!! post:

Talking about men, clothes and food with one’s girlfriends is one of the joys of being a woman and having girlfriends. Sheesh. I don’t care if you don’t like my tone. This is not your conversation.

As for the gays, they are owed a debt by aspiring PUAs. Grooming, fitness, hygiene, the glorification of youth and sexual pleasure über alles. Sound familiar, fruitcake?

Anise has a point. The influence of gay culture has spruced up some of the less appealing aspects of the straight male culture. It may not be palatable to a lot of traditional men with grit under their fingernails, but we live in a day and age when male peacocking is making a strong resurgence as an effective tool of seducing women. Yes, men who wear armbands and cowboy hats are drawing the attention of women and getting laid. I like to dabble in the gentlemanly art of fine styling, myself.

Of course, this works the other way. Gays left to their own devices, free of any societal shaming or disgust or benign influence from surrounding tribal groups, rapidly spin out of control, reformulating their world until it resembles a technicolor musical complete with frills, doilies, and dogs small enough to fit in shirt pockets. So gays with a touch of the masculine (and from what I’ve heard, most gay men prefer gay lovers who exude some masculinity) owe a debt to the straight males in their midst.

Btw, when you screech “Hiiiii!!!!” really loud so the whole bar can learn how well-liked you are by your peers, yes, it becomes a part of my conversation. Know that you are being mercilessly mocked. Suck it up.

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118 Responses

  1. on February 26, 2010 at 1:24 pm Chuck

    I am completely baffled by the guy who refuses vaj sex.

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  2. on February 26, 2010 at 1:27 pm Anon

    I really like this post, particularly the first e-mail. Sometimes you don’t know when to feel bad, particularly when the relationship ends ambiguously or confusedly.

    Take me, for example. I was in this very passionate and fulfilling relationship for when the girl all of a sudden had a freak out and needed to slow things down (i.e. no sex). Though I was weirded out by how quick this was, I accepted it because I actually agreed that things had moved very quickly (seven hour long dates, seven hours in bed, multiple calls per day). However, over time, it became clear to me that she was pulling away and there was nothing I could do about it so I let it ride for a few weeks until I flat out said to her – I must have messed up, let’s start from scratch. She declined, albeit ambiguously and with the door open (i.e. “I can’t do anything right now.”).

    Then, out of the blue, she sends me this long e-mail asking me all these questions and filled with stuff like “I’d love to hear from you.” I blow her off in my response and she comes back again, asking if she can drop off my stuff (rather than mailing it – a paperback book). I tell her yeah, that’s fine, just give me a call when you’re in the neighborhood.

    Thing is, I acted cool and aloof because I didn’t want her to think she could just get back so easily – that she has to work for it. However, I feel bad because you can see the disappointment in her e-mails, but I have to stand the ground. Now I’m not sure how to act when I see her next though I do want to have sex with her and maybe even rekindle things. Any suggestions?

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  3. on February 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm Shaggy

    No vaj sex because of state laws, but the back door is all legal? People so poorly informed should not be allowed to have sex in any hole.

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  4. on February 26, 2010 at 1:45 pm Firepower

    Anonymous wrote:

    On our first date, after few beers, I telling her, “If we have sexytime, you need to know that I no lick pussy, you can blow me, and i will fuck you in ass, but I won’t fuck your vagine.”

    who the fuck talks like this.

    Glad to see
    Borat is a
    fan

    I call bullshit.
    mout

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  5. on February 26, 2010 at 1:46 pm Riff Dog

    I have to agree with Mr. Rudy (the first guy.) Granted, many women I gamed weren’t worthy of pity, but there were some that I really felt bad about. Sweet girls who didn’t do anything wrong other than wanting to make me happy.

    Mind you, I wasn’t telling them that there would be a future with me or saying I loved them to get in their pants or anything like that. But as we all know (and what I didn’t understand at the time,) saying, “Hey, I’m not the kind of guy who’s gonna settle down with you” has the opposite intended effect.

    In fact, in yesterday’s post, when you talked about guilt stopping you, this is what I thought you meant. I thought you were hit with the guilt of knowing you’d fuck this girl who’d basically been nothing but cool, knowing you were just going to dump her.

    That’s what happened to me when I was in my late 20’s and I actually hit a point where the guilt wasn’t worth the easy sex anymore (one girl in particular took things reeeeeally hard.) After that, I actually resolved to only date women I thought I might want to see more than once. Although . . . I guess I’ve broken that rule once or twice. 😉 (Yeah, I know you hate winkies, but I’m alpha enough to not give a fuck.)

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  6. on February 26, 2010 at 1:50 pm PlanetGrok

    Chuck,

    The guy who refused vaj sex due to state laws was probably commenter “MRA Jack”. Seriously, that has to be him. Writes the same way.

    And no, Jack, I will not leave you alone.

    (If it is any condolence Jack, by Sunday or Monday I will have a post up detailing one of my “slumming it” misadventures. You can make fun of me then)

    “Maybe I’ll save it for the book.”

    So it’s final then!

    I knew you weren’t doing all this for us out of pure altruism, you dark knight.

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  7. on February 26, 2010 at 1:51 pm al

    On our first date, after a few beers, I told her, “If we have sex, you need to know that I will lick your pussy, you can blow me, and i will fuck you in the ass, but I won’t fuck your vagina.”

    whaaaat?
    jeez, I feel old, because if a man said this to me even now I’d be shocked at the forwardness.

    Her hair is slightly frizzy.

    men aren’t suppose to care so much about this! Especially if the girl has curls!

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  8. on February 26, 2010 at 1:54 pm anon

    John Mayer’s interview is pretty telling and has a lot to say about the first email…

    PLAYBOY: Meeting girls is a headache? You have to explain that.

    MAYER: I hate being the heartbreaker. Hate it. If I date somebody and it doesn’t work out, it’s another nightmare for me. I don’t like the way the odds are stacked. If I date nine more girls before I get married—which I think would be completely appropriate—that would be nine more spats of character assassination. I don’t equate sex with release, I equate it with tension. It’s given me a lot of pause. Somewhere in my brain it has probably really fucked me up.

    PLAYBOY: At this point, what’s your ideal relationship?

    MAYER: Here’s what I really want to do at 32: f*ck a girl and then, as she’s sleeping in bed, make breakfast for her. So she’s like, “What? You gave me five vaginal orgasms last night, and you’re making me a spinach omelet? You are the shit!” So she says, “I love this guy.” I say, “I love this girl loving me.” And then we have a problem. Because that entails instant relationship. I’m already playing house. And when I lose interest she’s going to say, “Why would you do that if you didn’t want to stick with me?”

    PLAYBOY: Why do you do it?

    MAYER: Because I want to show her I’m not like every other guy. Because I hate other men. When I’m f*cking you, I’m trying to f*ck every man who’s ever f*cked you, but in his ass, so you’ll say “No one’s ever done that to me in bed.”

    [editor: i’ve got a better reason for making a spinach omelet for a girl i really like that has nothing to do with envisioning fucking over other men — i like to see the smile on her face.

    this dude mayer is supposed to be genuine?]

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  9. on February 26, 2010 at 2:17 pm Staff

    Beta Male here. I’m new to this site, and have found some great insight into how average looking women in America, and even those who are slighlty above average looking act the way they do.

    Beautiful women for centuries have always gotten what they wanted and acted a certain way, but we have created a monster here in America where average looks = hot??? It sucks for the beta because what we are slowly finding out is that these “babes” would rather occasionly get fucked by the alpha than spend any meaningful time with a beta.

    The approachable girl in the past has now become an 8, 9, or 10 in her mind. Well, like so many have said if you set up a govt. like ours it’s bound that the hypergammous nature of women will take over. Who really knew that this would affect the 5’s, 6’s, and some 4’s though?

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  10. on February 26, 2010 at 2:21 pm virginat50

    The influence of gay culture has spruced up some of the less appealing aspects of the straight male culture.

    I thought the funniest part of the TV show “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” was that the most slovenly of straight guys getting makeovers, the ones who were stewing in their own filth, always had girlfriends. I wanted to scream at the screen, “You’re trying to fix something that isn’t broken!”

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  11. on February 26, 2010 at 2:23 pm Tupac Chopra

    Here’s what I really want to do at 32: f*ck a girl and then, as she’s sleeping in bed, make breakfast for her. So she’s like, “What? You gave me five vaginal orgasms last night, and you’re making me a spinach omelet? You are the shit!” So she says, “I love this guy.” I say, “I love this girl loving me.”…I want to show her I’m not like every other guy. Because I hate other men. When I’m f*cking you, I’m trying to f*ck every man who’s ever f*cked you, but in his ass, so you’ll say “No one’s ever done that to me in bed.”

    Cliff Arroyo, is that you???

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  12. on February 26, 2010 at 2:26 pm anon

    Whatever floats mayer’s boat, man. Just relaying a relevant quote. In order to lay down a big pile of shit you gotta at least eat something of substance.

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  13. on February 26, 2010 at 2:35 pm anonymous

    MAYER: Here’s what ………. So she’s like, “What? You gave me five vaginal orgasms last night,

    funny. 🙂 The status of a man is revealed by the number of orgasms she fakes for you.
    Average Man = 1-2 fakes.
    Meyer= 5 fakes
    Tiger Woods = 100 fakes

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  14. on February 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm Peter

    ” Maybe I’ll save it for the book.”

    I want it NOW, dammit!

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  15. on February 26, 2010 at 2:45 pm Lily

    the hot girl/smart girl dichotomy is a fugly girl myth. Yes, hot girls are smart, ambitious, interesting, and read all the same verbose bullshit on the internet as homely ones do. Similarly there are fat ugly chicks who subsist on reality television.

    I have met a few women who were so exceedingly stunning that they never felt motivated to cultivate their personalities, but that’s an aberration in the age of female ‘equality’.

    piece of advice to men who seek ‘mental stimulation’ in their mates or just want to lay a smart girl: don’t be too bowled over with astonishment or become too fawning when she reveals she likes books and can spell. Beta-brain tell.

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  16. on February 26, 2010 at 2:49 pm Tarl

    “I have a super hot Polish cleaning lady.”

    Damn, all the foreign cleaning ladies I ever see are squat, hideous Latina trolls.

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  17. on February 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm Laura

    John Mayer is starting to come across as a bit of a jerk. For a high status 32 year old man to be extremely jealous of other men is weird. Doesn’t he have enough women to love him? He needs to stop doing interviews for a while.

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  18. on February 26, 2010 at 3:05 pm J R

    the hot girl/smart girl dichotomy is a fugly girl myth. Yes, hot girls are smart, ambitious, interesting, and read all the same verbose bullshit on the internet as homely ones do. Similarly there are fat ugly chicks who subsist on reality television.

    I have met a few women who were so exceedingly stunning that they never felt motivated to cultivate their personalities, but that’s an aberration in the age of female ‘equality’.

    yes and no. there are plenty of great looking girls with exceedingly bland personalities. where the myth comes in is that most men don’t really mind hot girls with bland personalities. most men don’t want a moron, but we generally don’t measure intelligence in the same sort of credentialist way that women often do.

    perhaps the single biggest impediment to male-female realtions today is the fact that so many women can’t seem to understand that what they find attractive about men is not the same as what men find attractive about women.

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  19. on February 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm Anonymous

    dont tell sofia that guys dont care if a girl is smart, she’ll bite ur head off!!

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  20. on February 26, 2010 at 3:13 pm Poetry of Flesh

    I don’t know the motivations behind the “no vaj sex” guy, but that could be a hell of a game to play with someone. Someone puts something off-limits, something that feels wonderful, that all your friends are engaging in… it makes you want it even more. You’re fighting for it, struggling to get it.

    What he did wrong, if that girl is anything like your Standard Operating Sub, is he didn’t make her beg for it. He put her in a sexually submissive position and then didn’t follow through when it came to “rewarding” her. She was probably all hot and bothered by his control over their sex life, and then he gave that control up when he let her go vaj.

    When she started to do that, he should have smacked her ass, shoved her off of him, and gone for some rough anal with a fistful of hair. Later, after establishing dominance, maybe a few more sex-go-rounds, he should have made her beg for it. Put her through her paces.

    His entire game fell apart. That’s always so disappointing.

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  21. on February 26, 2010 at 3:23 pm Lily

    “perhaps the single biggest impediment to male-female realtions today is the fact that so many women can’t seem to understand that what they find attractive about men is not the same as what men find attractive about women.”

    I completely agree. still, I think an intelligent man is making a mistake to marry a hot woman with an ‘exceedingly bland personality’; assuming marriage is even still part of the conversation. companionate marriage means there’s gotta be something which bonds the couple besides physical attraction. particularly because, as I said earlier, there are lots of hot, interesting chicks around.

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  22. on February 26, 2010 at 3:34 pm Staff

    “because, as I said earlier, there are lots of hot, interesting chicks around.”

    Yeah, Asia and Eastern Europe are full of them. But I assume you are talking about the country that has the fattest women this planet has ever seen?

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  23. on February 26, 2010 at 3:37 pm J R

    I completely agree. still, I think an intelligent man is making a mistake to marry a hot woman with an ‘exceedingly bland personality’

    i won’t speak for all men, but i agree. the problem is that many women are just trying too hard and in the wrong ways to highlight their intelligence. i don’t know how many women come across like they’re channeling kathy griffith.

    by the way, i said perhaps this is the biggest problem because while many women have forgotten how to be attractive and feminine many men have became puss-ified betas, as pound of flesh’s submissive lament testifies. they’re really two sides of the same problem-coin.

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  24. on February 26, 2010 at 3:37 pm Lupo

    “still, I think an intelligent man is making a mistake to marry a hot woman with an ‘exceedingly bland personality’; assuming marriage is even still part of the conversation. companionate marriage means there’s gotta be something which bonds the couple besides physical attraction.”

    One of the really funny things about hearing stuff like this, is women with those “not bland personalities” never seem to take into account the quality of good character. Women with good character are the only kind you should shack up with; doesn’t matter how “bland” they are.

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  25. on February 26, 2010 at 3:37 pm J R

    I completely agree. still, I think an intelligent man is making a mistake to marry a hot woman with an ‘exceedingly bland personality’

    i won’t speak for all men, but i agree. the problem is that many women are just trying too hard and in the wrong ways to highlight their intelligence. i don’t know how many women come across like they’re channeling kathy griffith.

    by the way, i said perhaps this is the biggest problem because while many women have forgotten how to be attractive and feminine many men have became puss-ified betas, as pound of flesh’s submissive lament testifies. they’re really two sides of the same problem-coin.

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  26. on February 26, 2010 at 3:44 pm Lily

    “i won’t speak for all men, but i agree. the problem is that many women are just trying too hard and in the wrong ways to highlight their intelligence. i don’t know how many women come across like they’re channeling kathy griffith.”

    Definitely. hard to turn that button off for many.

    “by the way, i said perhaps this is the biggest problem because while many women have forgotten how to be attractive and feminine many men have became puss-ified betas, as pound of flesh’s submissive lament testifies. they’re really two sides of the same problem-coin.”

    intriguing. can you expand on the ‘as pound of flesh’s submissive lament testifies part’? Not sure I follow.

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  27. on February 26, 2010 at 3:47 pm Lily

    “One of the really funny things about hearing stuff like this, is women with those “not bland personalities” never seem to take into account the quality of good character. Women with good character are the only kind you should shack up with; doesn’t matter how “bland” they are.”

    Definitely. I’d add that good character is the most important thing in men as well, and unfortunately the most difficult to detect over the course of a conversation in a bar, particularly if the conversation is pre-scripted by Mystery, for e.g.

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  28. on February 26, 2010 at 4:05 pm J R

    intriguing. can you expand on the ‘as pound of flesh’s submissive lament testifies part’? Not sure I follow.

    flesh talks about how many men can talk the dom talk, but fail to fuck the fuck. that may be cause most men today have never been in a situation that really tests their mettle. and that’s one reason why it’s so easy for women to call a man’s bluff.

    this part is mostly conjecture, but i imagine that women used to have to be much more adept at manipulating men. many women today lack the big guns, cause many men today fold at the sight of a pea shooter.

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  29. on February 26, 2010 at 4:20 pm culdcept

    I had a few pangs of impending issues when I found out a girl gave up plans with her friend to come out and stay with me. I wasn’t nearly as much into her as she seemed to be with me and never would have done that. When its time to move on, I know I will have to give her at least a little guilt.

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  30. on February 26, 2010 at 4:33 pm OhioStater

    Roissy, yet another reason to NOT get married…there’s no statute of limitations!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253909/Ex-wife-claims-560-000–30-years-marriage-split.html

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  31. on February 26, 2010 at 4:36 pm Chuck

    You’ve all got Mayer’s quote wrong. He’s not jealous of other men. What he said is a similar feeling that rich men have when they want to maintain or gain more wealth. It’s about dominance.

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  32. on February 26, 2010 at 4:46 pm Poetry of Flesh

    J R,

    How you interpreted what I said was not exactly what I meant.

    It’s sexual integrity. Yes, like you said, talking the dom talk, fucking the dom fuck.

    When a man’s words do not line up with his actions, it’s disappointing. It’s what happens when you see a preview for a movie showing you that you’re going to watch a well-made horror flick… and then you end up with a gothic romance.

    It’s not a matter of males being beta-fied, it’s a matter of false sexual advertising. I invested x-time, x-money, and x-seduction into this man, and he failed to give the advertised goods.

    Who would stick around for that?

    But let’s do a man-slation here:

    You pick up a hot chick. Great ass, huge chest, tiny waist, flat stomach, flowing blonde hair. You wine her, dine her, put time and effort into gaming the hell out of her.

    Finally, the moment hits. You’re in bed, taking off her clothes, and you find she’s wearing a padded pushup bra, a stomach-flattener, an ass-enhancer, her hair is a series of easily removable extensions. You fuck her anyway, doggy-style, and her make-up comes off on the pillow she has buried her face in.

    Suddenly you’re having sex with a chubby, tit-sagging, stringy-haired, flat-assed, butterfaced blonde.

    Whoops.

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  33. on February 26, 2010 at 5:00 pm J R

    flesh,

    you haven’t said anything different than what i said.

    most men have relatively easy lives; therfore, they are never tested. they can adopt the posture of the alpha male, but that posture is easily revealed as false by the meagerest of female probing.

    most women; therefore, never fully develop their feminine wiles, cause they don’t have to. and the beat goes on…

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  34. on February 26, 2010 at 5:33 pm Laura

    Chuck,

    Maybe I don’t understand what John Mayer said because I am not a man. However, I would think if I was with a beautiful woman (as I’m sure most of his are) I would just be enjoying her company, body, etc. I’m not sure why he needs to envision himself doing homosexual acts to other men to enjoy having sex with a woman. Like I said, I’m not a man so maybe I just don’t get it.

    There is nothing wrong with men being competitive otherwise, though.

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  35. on February 26, 2010 at 5:34 pm Anonymous

    Maybe I’ll save it for the book.

    Roissy you lying to us? You said it was going to be some kind of novel.

    Also word on that second reader. That texting at the end was horrible. Jesus.


    Silence for an hour.

    I text her again, “It really hurts that the more I tell you I desire you, the less you tell me you desire me.”

    She texts back, “I have had it with your shit. Don’t ever call or text me again.”

    “No worries. I won’t.” I send.

    “Good, I won’t miss you.”

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  36. on February 26, 2010 at 5:42 pm Random Blasts Of Thoughts And Reader Emails « Roissy in DC - Dating Tips and Tricks

    […] posted here: Random Blasts Of Thoughts And Reader Emails « Roissy in DC :chuck, conversation, intelligence, internet, random-blasts, relationships, roissy-in-dc, […]

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  37. on February 26, 2010 at 5:45 pm Poetry of Flesh

    J R,

    Yes, we’re reaching the same conclusion. I just don’t agree with how you got there.

    Your initial comment put forth that women used to be better at manipulating men, and their growing failure at womenly wiles is what is bringing down men’s dominance, because they aren’t having to exercise it.

    But women, if we’re going on a evo-psych/reproductive success POV, are the demanded commodity. It is the man that has to convince, charm, and dominate. It is the woman that has to set up shit tests, run men through the obstacle course her instincts have created, before submitting to his potential fertilization.

    So the man is the initiator.

    Which was what I was responding to. In your second response, you flipped it to the male being the initially responsible party, and the, odd to say, weakening of social/sexual dynamics created by easy living.

    So, in the case Roissy brought to the table, the man successfully conned the woman, probably inadverently, into thinking he was more dominant than he actually was.

    Because his follow-through failed, failed epically, sex was terminated. He no longer has any chance with this woman.

    If he had kept up his faux dominance, sex would have continued.

    This isn’t about her wiles. It isn’t about previous women in his life not running him through enough shit-tests and sex games, which caused him his defeat with this one.

    This is about him. He’s reading this blog and, likely, others on the same subject matter. He doesn’t have the experience to carry through yet, but he’s to the point, at least, that through his own sexual issues (assuming that no-vaj thing is an issue and not a game), he’s able to get laid… as long as he can maintain.

    He learns to maintain through experience. It isn’t about easy living, but an apparent lack exposure to a variety of women and all the hoops he will have to learn to leap through in order to gain his goals.

    If I was going to support your idea of weakening social/sexual dynamics, I would say that the social tendency for marriage (and usually monogamy, and laws that support that monogamy), along with so many marrying before they even hit 25, is what limits our exposure and, therefore, our ability to handle the sex of our choosing.

    /overlong ramble

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  38. on February 26, 2010 at 5:55 pm Joey Giraud

    alpha, beta, alpha, beta, alpha, beta

    there are two kinds of people; those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who don’t.

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  39. on February 26, 2010 at 6:00 pm j r

    fleshpot,

    that’s fine. I expect women to ramble unless they’ve got something to keep their mouths occupied.

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  40. on February 26, 2010 at 6:06 pm Arpagus

    Executive summary: No fat chicks.

    That is not what the study says. Fat chicks are still attractive as long as their WHR is right: “altered to express an optimal (~0.7) WHR with redistributed body fat, but relatively unaffected body mass index (BMI).”

    At least the preoccupation with thin women, as opposed to just an optimal WHR, is probably just a social construct:

    Interestingly, our findings did not demonstrate that BMI had a large effect on brain activation except in areas associated with simple visual evaluations of shape and size. This does not downplay the importance of BMI in evaluations of female attractiveness, but may suggest that BMI’s role in these evaluations is less the product of evolved psychological mechanisms and more the part of culturally driven, or societal based norms and perceptions.

    Those societal norms have had no effect on me, which is good because it means I am attracted to a lot of fat chicks that are a little less difficult to get. It must really suck to find so many women ugly just because they are fat.

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  41. on February 26, 2010 at 6:11 pm anise

    Girl talk happens. I reserve the right to screech, warble, mewl, coo or cackle in genuine pleasure amongst my girl friends. You may mock and judge us phony, but my friends are pretty cute lol. And genuine. And we’re gonna talk abt weddings for an hour now. Too bad if we’re loud, a party of ten tends to dominate a small restaurant *shrug* *sweet smile*

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  42. on February 26, 2010 at 6:13 pm Poetry of Flesh

    J R,

    Aw, look at you running out of steam and resorting to mild attempts at verbal sexual dominance. If you were in reaching distance, I’d be pinching your adorable little cheeks right now.

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  43. on February 26, 2010 at 6:18 pm Laura

    Chuck,

    One other thing. I don’t want to criticize John Mayer too much. At least he gives interesting interviews unlike most famous people. He’s just hard to understand sometimes. I always read his interviews though, most of the others I ignore.

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  44. on February 26, 2010 at 6:22 pm Bobby

    John Mayer is a Closet Homo Lord.

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  45. on February 26, 2010 at 6:24 pm Black Flag

    “…he should have smacked her ass, shoved her off of him, and gone for some rough anal with a fistful of hair.”

    Correct. Pure poetry.

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  46. on February 26, 2010 at 6:26 pm Rum

    Arpagus

    You say it is sad when guys do not find fat chicks attractive because that limits their satisfying fuck-options.
    Why stop there? Why not open your mind to the enjoyment of the warm vags of all gods creatures?
    Sheep are easy to date. Just put a strip of velcro on your belt buckle and go at it. They cannot get away. And they will never get a lawyer.

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  47. on February 26, 2010 at 6:43 pm Arpagus

    Fat women can be perfectly satisfying and there are no hard-wired reasons why they shouldn’t be, at least as long as their waist-to-hip ratio is good. I would fuck sheep vags in the absence of women as a stopgap measure, but I think there are deeper reasons why that won’t be fully satisfying.

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  48. on February 26, 2010 at 6:59 pm J R

    yea… something like that

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  49. on February 26, 2010 at 7:07 pm Niro

    Roissy,

    Not that you need any more examples of how misguided some people are but take a look at this quick article:

    http://consults.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/can-you-be-addicted-to-your-wife/?hp

    Particularly revealing of the SWLP mind:

    “Your husband sounds like a lot of men who confuse affection with sex. So many men are touch deprived from childhood that the only way they know how to show physical affection to their spouses is through sexual touch.”

    Dude should have changed confuse to equate…he is the one confused.

    and

    “From your description, it does sound, at the very least, that your husband is conditioned to becoming aroused upon visual and tactile contact with you.”

    Yes, conditioned by eons of evolution. Fuckin’ Dingbats man!

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  50. on February 26, 2010 at 7:40 pm lurker

    Anal is for pussies. I like ocular sex.

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  51. on February 26, 2010 at 8:41 pm entrepoon

    “As for the gays, they are owed a debt by aspiring PUAs. Grooming, fitness, hygiene, the glorification of youth and sexual pleasure über alles. Sound familiar, fruitcake?”

    Eh, need more data. ‘Owed a debt’ implies, and I’d say necessarily, that there’s a net debt owed. I think there are some offsets. For example, sans acceptance of fag-haggetry, what follows? Reality. She sits at home staring at her cats. She goes out and gets hit on by ‘aspiring PUA’s.’ Her mom nags her to accept date invitations before she’s on the shelf. And there’s no fag-boy friend to present counter-arguments/counter-emotional back-up. Basically fag-hag relationships are relations with males where there is zero gina tingle or threat thereof. Women dump each other in a NY minute for their men –dad (usually), brothers (sometimes), sons (always) and The Man in Her Life. It’s gotta be part of the reason they cock-block each other so much: so they don’t “lose” their friends. So, in sum, I think the acceptance of the whole gay thing is at best a mixed bag. It’s skewing (perverting?) the market. Artificially? Without fag hags, maybe some somewhat sensitive beta’s who want to get a woman and would be happy with, would settle for, just the one, would have an in.

    On second thought, no. All of the above is a debt to the gays. Anything that tends to shut out more beta’s from any contact with women must be a gain for guys with or developing game. It’s an incredible arms race.

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  52. on February 26, 2010 at 8:47 pm Serenity in Insanity

    Alright, so I check out this site because it is mentioned in the reader comment Roissy just posted. I read the “Some Philosophy of the Gym” post…..ughhhh, thing reeks of beta. Judging others outlet of self-improvement inferior to his own, and acting like there is no freedom for both. A quick litmus check of any man’s masculinity is his abhorrence or fondness of physical activity. This man, and I use the word man loosely, fails horribly. The generalization that all gym goers are there for vain reasons is new and exciting!!!

    Guess what? If you plan on bedding any decent looking chicks, it is your responsibility as a man to keep yourself in good condition. For those lucky ladies who win the genetic lottery, and are the object of affection of the majority of men…they can get away with a lack of physical fitness (as long as they don’t eat like a slob) and maintain feminine appeal. There are very few men who can go around being lethargic and eating junk and still exude masculinity. Nature doesn’t throw muscle on you for doing nothing. However, nature does create beautiful women with perfect curves and proportions.

    This is why I only read this blog. The pussification of our culture is rampant.

    Excuse the tangent.

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  53. on February 26, 2010 at 8:48 pm Lupo

    Lol; character:

    http://twiturm.com/2ju2p

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  54. on February 26, 2010 at 8:48 pm Serenity in Insanity

    Woops. Forgot the site above: http://www.2blowhards.com/

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  55. on February 26, 2010 at 10:22 pm The Asian of Reason

    It would also be prudent to fuck the pretty girl just to shut her mouth up from making stupid comments. I think this would be fun.

    It would be annoying to hear and see ugly girl moan, because it would probably sound like Benjy from Faulkner’s “Sound and the Fury”.

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  56. on February 26, 2010 at 10:36 pm Breeze

    I really want to know which state has this no-vaj-sex law. I feel compelled to protest such an unjust law by violating it multiple times.

    @ Poetry of Flesh: If you ever want to come down under I promise to give you a good hard fucking (provided you are good looking).

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  57. on February 26, 2010 at 11:16 pm Chuck

    Laura,

    It’s entirely possible that John Mayer would take one up the corn hole, but I think you’re taking his particular statement too literally. It’s not that he wants to fuck the other guys, he wants to *out* fuck them. He wants to be the apex alpha of that woman’s life.

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  58. on February 27, 2010 at 12:01 am Niro

    @Breeze

    Your civil disobedience would make Thoreau very proud. You are a pussy patriot my friend.

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  59. on February 27, 2010 at 12:11 am Affe

    Tip for dude looking to score with Polish cleaning lady:

    “Vesh do BOO-zhee”

    “Vesh do DOO-py”

    Not precise, but she’ll get the drift.

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  60. on February 27, 2010 at 12:13 am anon

    I was just reading about a study the McMaster’s University group did on supplements a few years back. Michael Rae (Aubrey de Gray’s right hand) said that their mice lived less than the normal lifespan of ordinary mice, meaning that their animal husbandry is shitty, so he dismissed their work. Of course, most of us don’t really practice good human husbandry either, so maybe it’s not irrelevant to us mortals.

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  61. on February 27, 2010 at 2:15 am Anonymous

    @The Asian of Reason
    Excellent reference.

    Would the bleh chick at least smell like trees?

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  62. on February 27, 2010 at 2:58 am The Asian of Reason

    Has anyone here scored with hot cleaning ladies/servants before? The fat Hispanic women that clean my place are no good, so I see no opportunity here. I doubt there are many decent targets in the first place.

    Close that Polish women down.

    @^On the Faulkner reference. What’s funny is that the pretty girl most likely is closer to Benjy in IQ, but the ugly chick will make the most Benjy like sounds. Ah! The fury!

    I don’t see how fat chicks are attractive AT ALL. Some of you who claim you are attracted to fat obviously have some psychological issue. Or you are Beta. Only betas can be attracted to fat, because they can’t get anything but. If you are an Alpha that loves fat, something is wrong with you. It is like walking into a Fogo De Chao, and filling up salad. Come On!!! You can get filet mignon all day, why the hell do you want to eat salad?

    Fat is an unpleasant sight on MAN OR WOMAN. If a chick is fat, she should feel rightfully ashamed of herself and get to the damn gym, especially if she has decent looks that could be saved by some cardio work. If she is fat and ugly, then it is hopeless.

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  63. on February 27, 2010 at 7:07 am Poetry of Flesh

    Breeze,

    I’m often told that I’m a librarian fantasy come to life, assuming you like curvy brunettes in dark-rimmed glasses.

    And I’d sleep with you, provided you could get through my storm of shit tests.

    …or if you were really hot. I have a hard time saying no to a man with a lickable six-pack.

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  64. on February 27, 2010 at 7:08 am lover of women

    if u are counting a woman’s orgasms .. or the length of time you have sex ..(we banged away for 2 hours..or 2 days..) …as being evidence of your sexual prowess.. I think most men are kidding themselves..and miss the point…

    and besides satisfying women is a moving target

    most women who have had multiple lovers – will tell you less than 2% were great, less than 10% were good …and the vast majority were good enough to get through the night with..

    as for John Mayer credit to him for working to be honest – yet with that honesty a persons inner core gets exposed …he is no alpha he’s a work in progress…

    most would consider a guy like Matt Damon an alpha and in this broken down skewered society ..he comes off that way..what I see is different ..he seems much closer in reality to the guy he played in “The Departed” ..which looks, smells and tastes like alpha ..but from foundation isn’t and that is only seen thru tests and time…

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  65. on February 27, 2010 at 7:15 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    “No vag sex”. That was me.

    Roissy, thanks for addressing my email.

    The reason is, after thoroughly searching the laws of my state, here, all sex acts that are not penis in vagina (vagine was a mis-typing), are considered to a lesser degree sex, and are more considered foreplay.

    But, vag sex basically is considered a commitment to a relationship. This opens the door for her to lay claim to your property.

    I didn’t write the law. Based on when it was passed, these laws were changed either in response to Bill Clinton claiming he “did not have sex with that woman” and now he can point to statute. Or, it was created to protect gays. This state loves Clinton and the gay lifestyle.

    Now, thank you POF for the good words.

    Yes, I lost my game that night. I had pushed her off when she tried it a time before. I guess I got tired of her constant whining because I kept it from her. I still wonder whether if she would be calling me for dick if I had kept it from her that night.

    Besides, vag sex does not turn me on. It feels good, but it is not a big enough payoff in the risk of pregnancy? While oral is common today, it is something I love teaching women how to do it correctly, and anal is usually virgin territory for most women, so I get a sense of accomplishment by getting her to agree to letting me be the first. And, since I know what I am doing, the experience is enjoyable for them.

    Oh, of course, I wear a condom, and when I perform oral, I use Syran Wrap on the vag to keep genital warts off my tongue.

    Just for the value of trivia, women in Turkey will suck and anal fuck but not vag fuck so that when they get married, they can claim to be a virgin though they have been plugged more than Joe Biden’s scalp.

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  66. on February 27, 2010 at 7:19 am lover of women

    thought this very accurate ..

    Lupo – February 26, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    “One of the really funny things about hearing stuff like this, is women with those “not bland personalities” never seem to take into account the quality of good character. Women with good character are the only kind you should shack up with; doesn’t matter how “bland” they are.”

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  67. on February 27, 2010 at 7:23 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    Oh, about lasting an hour. If you did not know it, when the woman is on top, a guy can last a lot longer. It seems to be the same when recieving a bj…it takes three times as long to shoot a load from a bj than it does when the guy is vag pumping.

    My guess is, that since the guy isn’t exerting himself, the blood flow is not as heavy as when he is pumping, so the sperm pumps are as fed as quickly.

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  68. on February 27, 2010 at 8:59 am MethuselahX

    Here’s something for your book, Roissy.

    The concise essence of game:

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  69. on February 27, 2010 at 10:03 am Obstiance Works

    Perhaps she thought him gay, because of his overemphasis on anal sex and then his vajayjay sex confirmed it. Creepy.

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  70. on February 27, 2010 at 10:22 am Mingus

    “Just for the value of trivia, women in Turkey will suck and anal fuck but not vag fuck so that when they get married, they can claim to be a virgin though they have been plugged more than Joe Biden’s scalp.”

    This is interesting…I have had this experience with an Armenian girl before. She was down for everything but vag sex. I guess the Turks and Armos have a lot more in common than that whole genocide thing.

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  71. on February 27, 2010 at 12:43 pm GdI

    In a lot of cultures, not just Middle Eastern, the women give anal easily so they can be ‘virgins’ for their husbands (good one, ladies!) – you can encounter this even among Latinas in the US of A.

    The importance of fucking her good cannot be overstated. There is nothing better you can do for a woman, nor is there a better way to enjoy unfettered emotional power over her, than to fuck her into quivers, often.

    Each woman is slightly different – every gal has her own kink going on – but for most of them the basics are the same everywhere there are girls on the girl tree.

    1. Be strong and forceful, but not actually scary. Most girls love ass slapping, hair pulling, mild choking. Throw her around the bed to establish dominance (tough with a fat chick; one more good reason to never, ever tap that shit). After several of her orgasms, do the ragdoll on her.

    2. Learn to use your hands and tongue to pleasure all of her body. Good skills in this area will win you a fast friend. It’s about the tits and the cooch, but more than that.

    3. Use the dick well. Learn her body and give her the moves she craves. Hold your wad as long as possible. It has always taken me a long time to shoot (and thanks to martial arts and meditation I can fuck indefintely; I shoot when I decide to), and if you are a good fuck, she will love you for your stamina. While some of this is congenital, some of it can be learned – so learn it, she wll adore you for it.

    4. Dick size cannot be changed, alas, and chicks lie about this a lot. Size *does* matter but it’s not decisive; if she is inexperienced it may not matter at all. The ideal cock – this is female testimony; I don’t go that way but I’ve heard a lot of female commentary on this during my years of seduction – is 7-8 inches: well above average, but not painful to most women. Even size queens usually don’t want John Holmes, Jr, every night. If you’re her first big dick, and you fuck her superbly, she will be your slave as long as you want her.

    5. Above all, listen to her words, and her body; the latter, especially, will tell you what you need to know, and doesn’t lie. If you perfect your Fuck Game, you’ll be able to read a woman’s signs quickly, and figure out her kink without her even saying it. Like the super-hot MILF who I wound up bedding, fucking roughly in every orifice, and fisting … a first for her, never seen a woman climax so much in my life. She didn’t say anything, no requests — I could just tell from her pussy karma. She was owned from that moment on.

    Bottom Line: Spend as much time working on your Fuck Game as on actually picking chicks up. It’s the only way to totally control a woman and make her yours in a way she has never belonged to anyone else, and never will. There is a risk, because once you’ve made her your sex slave, she’s hard to get rid of; but as long as you want her around, you own her – quite literally. If you can make her orgasm 10-20 times to yours (this is very possible, boys), you are the ultimate Alpha, and she will cook, clean, iron for you, whaetever you want, plus of course limitless pussy, she will beg for your – and only your – cock. Soon she”ll be recommending threesomes with her hot friends … really.

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  72. on February 27, 2010 at 1:37 pm Confidunce

    The only law I can think of that would permit sodomy but prohibit vaj sex are laws against incest. Seriously.

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  73. on February 27, 2010 at 2:24 pm Black Flag

    I wonder that a man as experienced as Mayer could miss the mark so widely. Does he really think a good fucking and an *omelet* is the key to ruining a woman for all other men? Alas, take away the omelet and it seems this fallacy persists in the “seduction community” as well, which is a crime against pleasure and a terrible tragedy. Pick-up game plays on a woman’s most primitive animal instincts. And if your all about “closing,” and putting points on the board, it’s an excellent strategy. But if you aspire to wizardry, to spell-casting and enchantment, you should understand that spells are not cast in a day or a week, and appealing to her hindbrain is only the beginning. A spell is cast on the mind; it grows in the imagination. An enchantment is a complex manipulation that requires wit, subtlety, perception, and most of all, patience. The biggest mistake a man can make is rushing his fences.

    And unlike in pick-up, a woman can be perfectly aware you’re weaving a spell, fully cognizant she’s being manipulated, and relish the entire experience with intense pleasure. In this day and age, who gets the chance to taste magic? Who holds the power to weave a spell on a woman that will never really leave her, to make an affair the experience of a lifetime, rather than one more drearily predictable round of desire, followed by paltry satisfaction (as quickly as the man can possibly manage it, rush, rush), followed by a jaded sort of boredom, etc. Surely everyone has noticed that anticipation can be as much a part of pleasure as satisfaction–when you’re confident you will get what you want. (I imagine if you are crippled by insecurity this is not the case, but practiced seducers should be past this). The longer you draw it out, the slower you remove her veils, the more powerful the ultimate spell, the more shattering the ultimate pleasure.

    In my case the affair wasn’t consummated for many, many months: I was very young indeed and still innocent. It was surreal, like something out of the movies, or a kind of waking dream. Most of the seduction was accomplished by letter (we were shut up in different schools), and because of the distance (familiarity does breed contempt), I was free to project onto him every romantic fantasy I ever had. He never let me be entirely confident of his feelings, so in the end I was eating out of his hand.

    It’s not really a game, you know, it’s not about beating the clock and scoring goals; it’s a dance–filled with wonder, excitement, and a breathless sort of anticipation of the culmination of desire. But one clumsy maneuver, one crude attempt to rush rather than savor the mounting tension, step on her toes even one time, and the spell is broken forever. Because though she may succumb, you make yourself just like ever man she’s ever known, not a creature of mystery spun out of her darkest fantasies and the purest black magic.

    I still have his letters, the only ones I’ve ever kept from anyone. For the longest time I dreamed about him every couple of months, then once a year or so. Even after all this time I dream of him occasionally, and whenever I do, I try as hard as I can not to wake. But there is no sadness, there never has been, not really, only a distant fondness and a sense of gratitude for teaching me sin, enchanting me, and giving me the most, unforgettable, most exquisite pleasure I’ve ever known.

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  74. on February 27, 2010 at 2:33 pm RX-78 Alex

    “On our first date, after a few beers, I told her, “If we have sex, you need to know that I will lick your pussy, you can blow me, and i will fuck you in the ass, but I won’t fuck your vagina.””

    “She put the condom on me, then acted like she was backing her ass to my cock then quickly slipped it in her pussy instead. So, for the next hour, I let her rock out, then climbed on top to finish the job.”

    “That was the last time we had sex.”

    “A few thoughts spring to mind. She’s hyper-religious. She’s had an abortion in the past. She has AIDs. She was cheating on someone with you. She got indoctrinated in the interim by a Take Back The Night anti-date rape crusade of butch lesbians. I was thinking maybe you were bad in bed, but you wrote that you two did it for over an hour, usually the sign of a woman who is enjoying herself.”

    Rather than some moral crisis on her part, I think she shit tested him and he failed. He told her he would never fuck her vaj. All it took for her to override this rule he established was to just back up into him. By allowing her to be vaj fucked by him, he basically communicated to her that he’s not in control and can easily be disobeyed, thus causing her Beta-sense to tingle like crazy.

    He should of pushed her off at the precise moment she guided his cock into her cunt and reasserted the no vaj status quo. If he wanted to eventually go to pussy sex, he should of done it under his terms and his frame, not hers.

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  75. on February 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm Freya

    @ GdI

    I knew you posted here, and you know I occasionally read Roissy – you encouraged me to do so. Well, well, I’d like everyone to know that I’m the MILF he references. The “fisting” really gave it away. Nice of him to share his skills with the world. “Pussy karma” indeed. I want all the wanna be PUAs here to read and appreciate what he says – at least the part that’s good for him! He owned me from the first fuck, and I told him so, although I had no idea what “I own you now” meant. I do now! GdI: You know you could’ve picked me up any time, easily. You’re a natural alpha – it’s all so effortless for you. But what puts you on totally different level is what you do for and to women. You don’t exaggerate your, um, natural assets and abilities.You know I’ve never had it so good, and never will again. Just the thought of you brings the gina tingles. You know I hate that now (and myself) because you can’t be exclusive to me, but I’d come running back for more any time. I’m one of many who would say and do the same thing. I promised to do anything – including the threesomes. Yet you still can’t promise there won’t be other (many other) women. I learned about a few of them the hard way. That’s the price I paid emotionally his unforgettable Fuck Game.

    I thought you were crazy with the “all women crave dominance” BS – but you were so right. I know now what I need from a man. If the male readers here are really interested in the secret to “getting” a woman – this is it. It goes way beyond the negging in the bar and the right words and moves. That’s only the beginning. A true alpha knows how to treat (roughly) a woman in bed – what she really wants but is afraid to ask for from her weak, yearning soul. Better tighten up your game in bed, fellas! But ladies beware – once you’ve experienced a man like that, you’re in trouble. Be prepared for the consequences after the sexual ride of your life.

    [editor: so romantic!]

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  76. on February 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm play station x

    Only the vulnerable women who gave me every last ounce of their hearts received the blessing of my guilt when I hurt them

    The “blessings” of your guilt? Guilt is not goodness, jerk. Your guilt only guarantees a repeat performance.

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  77. on February 27, 2010 at 9:31 pm Thor

    “Parents of ugly daughters may want to take this into consideration and fast track their little monsters into Womyn’s Studies at the overpriced private grad school of their choice, where she’ll be safe from the predations of men and their penetrating rapebringers.”

    Nonsense. Encourage her to learn some marketable skill,
    she is likely to need to support herself. There are
    very few slots for “Womyn’s studies” and for
    liberal arts in general. The choice depends on her
    talents. Law (somewhat overcrowed), Medicine
    (even RNs are paid decently, and lots of access
    to physicians), science/engineering if she
    can hack it (few women have the talent AND
    the will, but there is lots of access to men with decent
    jobs). Or whatever else for which she shows
    signs of talent, except fields that are KNOWN
    to be overcrowded.

    Also, as with men, there is stuff that can be done to
    reduce the “ugly”. Anything from weight
    control to teaching her style (hair, clothes,
    make-up). Cosmetic surgery as a last resort.

    Thor

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  78. on February 28, 2010 at 1:43 am Tupac Chopra

    Black Flag:

    But if you aspire to wizardry, to spell-casting and enchantment, you should understand that spells are not cast in a day or a week, and appealing to her hindbrain is only the beginning. A spell is cast on the mind; it grows in the imagination. An enchantment is a complex manipulation that requires wit, subtlety, perception, and most of all, patience. The biggest mistake a man can make is rushing his fences. brity

    That was a beautiful comment, BF, but you need to understand that the world has changed, at least in the big coastal cities. Women have become more jaded and experienced, and in their quest for alphas, they consider it par for the course that things should happen FAST. Think about all the women who have their “fuck-a-celebrity-get-out-of-jail-free” card. If Brad Pitt were to approach them in a club, they’d crack their fucking HIPS, spreading so fast to get his seed in their womb.

    What I’m trying to say is that the stakes have been raised, and in womens’ minds, the path to Alpha is a short trip. The kind of drawn out head-fuck you write about appeals to my cerebral romantic nature, but nowadays the chicks (the hot ones anyway) are expecting showers of sparks from the get go. If a guy like me tried to pull the sort of cinematic headgames you mention, he would be in danger of being perceived as hesitiant and BETA.

    This is an unfortunate side effect of unfettered female sexual freedom. In their unquenchable lust for zipless fucks by bad-boys, the women have abdicated what little appreciation they had for the smouldering build up of cerebral mindfucking. And we men have had to adapt. The romantics among us have had to learn to caveman.

    While there might be a contingent of smart women who prefer the cinematic style, very few of them are hot. The subset who are hot AND cerebral are an infintesimal niche. We men need to play the odds. Regrettably.

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  79. on February 28, 2010 at 9:13 am lover of women

    Blackflag – always enjoy your comments and insight

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  80. on February 28, 2010 at 10:07 am Anonymous

    Is it me or is there something latently homosexual about only wanting to fuck a girl in the ass?

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  81. on February 28, 2010 at 11:11 am GdI

    Nothing ‘latent’ about it … The Three Hole Party is an important way of showing a gal a good time and establishing your dominance, should be in every Alpha’s arsenal (assenal?). Once you’ve given her a powerfuck in the back door, she’ll know who’s boss. But a guy who only wants the fudge tunnel from chicks is barking up the wrong tree, IMHO.

    @ Freya: Didn’t know you cared … 🙂 Wasn’t there a Carly Simon ditty back in the day? “You probably think this song is about you ….” — something like that?

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  82. on February 28, 2010 at 11:23 am GdI

    Three Hole Party Addendum: A few years ago a buddy of mine – like me a debauched swordsman – decided to settle down and, being a wise man, opted to scope Eastern Europe for a wife. He found, and married, a hottie half his age, a virgin bride no less. Score!

    I was best man at the wedding and, at the very long and very boozy reception, the bride’s uncle comes up to the groom, right at the head table, and explaines his duties for the night; it was, ahem, memorable.

    “You know what you must do tonight. You only have one chance,” the uncle says with deadly seriousness as he holds up three fingers. “She must know who boss. You must do.”

    So: Welcome to the family, son, be sure to fuck my beloved niece in the ass on her wedding night, bust all her cherries, so she tows the line from this day forward, and has zero illusions about who’s boss.

    I’m sure this happens in America all the time …

    Postscript: To all the haters, they are still married, happily, and she takes great care of him in love and loyalty. And she knows who’s boss.

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  83. on February 28, 2010 at 12:03 pm Freya

    @ GdI – Are you implying here that *I’m* the vain one? That’s rich. If you recall, the original question in this post was whether women were better off after coming into contact with alphas who rocked their world and moved on – with or without guilt. I can see which one you opted for! If you read my post, you saw that I validated much of what you said, but I just wanted to offer the female perspective. I admitted that I would never be sexually the same, but would I do it all again if I had a choice now? You already know the answer and I think you know what I’m talking about….

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  84. on February 28, 2010 at 12:09 pm GdI

    @ Freya: “Your mother and your sister didn’t care.” LOL

    Hey, I’m a quite possibly malignant narcissist, we know that, but that’s just quibbling, innit?

    Your female perspective was very interesting, not least because it pretty much validated everything I said. You know I dig ya FT, but I’m busy.

    BTW r u free next Friday? Got some free time — cawl me. 🙂

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  85. on February 28, 2010 at 12:38 pm Freya

    @ GdI – right, your humor. I’m sure you think I miss that too? And of course it’s all good as long as I agree with your views. Clearly you won’t answer the guilt question, but I’m thinking that perhaps you do feel some?

    Friday? Are you kidding me? You think I’m still under your spell? I know I said that I’d come running back, but I’ve fallen for this one before.

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  86. on February 28, 2010 at 12:47 pm GdI

    @ Freya – I know you’re still under my spell; hence the very female acting out here. You’ve fallen for it before, and will again. In for a penny …

    I’m not an oversensitive soul like Roissy, but of course I feel some guilt. Now and then.

    Friday — usual place and time. Be punctual or no lube for you!

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  87. on February 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm Keith

    “If a guy like me tried to pull the sort of cinematic headgames you mention, he would be in danger of being perceived as hesitiant and BETA.”

    This thought process itself is hesitant and “beta.”

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  88. on February 28, 2010 at 1:35 pm Freya

    @ GdI: You’re right about my reaction. Ditto the spell apparently.

    I struggled with how to reply this time. If you’re trying to make a point about how all this Game works, you succeeded. I found out once again how true it is. You know what you do to me – I’ve never made a secret about that – or what I was willing to do for you.

    If you’re serious about Friday, I will try to contact you offline.

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  89. on February 28, 2010 at 1:45 pm Anonymous

    gdi and freya,

    yeh, everyone really wants to see this gay little skit play out

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  90. on February 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm biktopia

    So, at the BMI letter i got stucked at the first sentence, what do you mean buy facial symmetry and masculinity, is there more information on that or?
    I am doing my thesis about facial symmetry and come up with a lot of weird studies just made on that topic, and one of the more interesting experiments was about the interpretation of facial proportionality and symmetry, and anthropologically, one may be very assymetric but not percieved that way, and that more studies need to be done, here is the study….

    http://archfaci.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/9/3/184

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  91. on February 28, 2010 at 2:44 pm xsplat

    @GDI, finally, somone who understands me. I’ve been trying to mention the importance of fucking on this blog, but it just passes by like a breeze. Chi-kung and meditation or at minimum some forms of body based meditations are a must for any would be good fucker.

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  92. on February 28, 2010 at 3:49 pm Freya

    Apparently some prefer Game as all theory and no practice.

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  93. on February 28, 2010 at 4:12 pm xsplat

    Ya, several people here say that it’s not important to give your girl an orgasm. God damn – talk about willful ignorance.

    I’m not of the work your girl up into a sexual fever with foreplay school of sex. Although that’s fine from time to time. But with no foreplay and good fucking, it’s damned important to make her cum many times. Don’t people realize the joys that empathy and mirror neurons provide? If she’s way way into you and in extreme exstacy, you’ll enjoy the experience a hell of a lot more. Communion in bliss is where it’s at. Do that many times a day, and she is yours. That, and slowly reign her in in other ways and get her used to fulfilling commands as a pleasure, and you have a real mate.

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  94. on February 28, 2010 at 4:45 pm MethuselahX

    “Chi-kung and meditation or at minimum some forms of body based meditations are a must for any would be good fucker.”
    Xsplat, do you believe in that in a supernaturalist way, or do you see it another way?

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  95. on February 28, 2010 at 4:52 pm xsplat

    Kinesthetic awareness can blend with other senses in synesthesia. At first, it’s helpful to view the experience as “real” chi. Ultimately all that matters is practicing subtle kinesthetic awareness – this builds up neuronal connections. It takes years of practice, but you build up an organ of knowledge and power and ability.

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  96. on February 28, 2010 at 4:53 pm Jack

    @PlanetGrok

    No. There is no similarity between the way I write and the guy who had all that weird unnatural sex and then dorked out by sending texts and not calling. In fact, he asked Roissy for advice which is not something you’ve ever seen me do.

    All I’ve said is that any guy who has intercourse with more than 3 women in any given month is just asking to catch something like warts which, if his main squeeze is more or less religious or not down with such things, would not go over well and cause major waves. One has to draw the line somewhere on promiscuity and not all hotties are clean, especially when you’re allowed to smell them up close and personal. A handjob from someone you don’t plan on seeing again anyway can do the trick just fine, especially if you are then going home to someone who loves you.

    A recent example would be a 20 year old with a perfect body whom I realized hadn’t showered. I had my fun without intercourse and then put the sheets in the wash. I guess I just have standards. Married men would be a lot like me. Sometimes you just don’t take the chance.

    But I don’t think you have had that problem…meaning you’ve never had 3 options in any given month or a long term gf whom you were cheating on (I am not trying to insult you and say you don’t have standards or can’t get an LTR).

    Then again, you haven’t yet described your situation so I don’t know.

    By the way, check out Roissy’s recent post “The Most Beta Comment Ever Made On This Blog”.

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  97. on February 28, 2010 at 4:55 pm xsplat

    Synesthesia, by the way, has recently been discovered to be more than a random blending of senses, but is now seen a higher cognitive function to display more information in a meaningful way at once. Kinesthetic awareness is a great way to feel the environment. Feel right into your mate, and feel you own senses in a much more heightened and full and rich way.

    Without it men fuck like boys.

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  98. on February 28, 2010 at 5:04 pm xsplat

    Also glossed over on the blog and the posters here is the importance of charismatic charm. Hypnosis. A way of being that entrances. A force of sexual will. Using your eyes as a means of melting into someone. The ways of a charismatic mesmerist.

    Charm is more than words. It’s a way to exist that entrances a soul into a deeper and higher place.

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  99. on February 28, 2010 at 5:07 pm xsplat

    And that is where chi-kung and meditation comes in. If you feel a deeper and higher place, feel it strongly, right now, the other persons mirror neurons will kick in and they will be transported.

    This kind of thing happens all the time. At a good rock concert people share a group vibe that transports. A charismatic lover is like a good rock concert. They are the transportation machine to a wild high and deep vibe.

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  100. on February 28, 2010 at 5:14 pm Black Flag

    “In their unquenchable lust for zipless fucks by bad-boys, the women have abdicated what little appreciation they had for the smouldering build up of cerebral mindfucking.”

    How right you are. Women must bear their fair share of blame for the extinction of this most ancient and delicious art. How can there be dancing when your lady crashes to the floor with her legs in the air at the first faint sound of music? How can you savor her unveiling when she blunders about tearing at her clothes the moment she catches your eye?

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  101. on February 28, 2010 at 5:19 pm xsplat

    Black Flag and other, why bother savoring a long buildup if you can savor the main course for many hours per day?

    Long extended foreplay is mostly for those who can’t make the real thing last.

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  102. on February 28, 2010 at 7:46 pm Breeze

    “Dick size…is 7-8 inches: well above average, but not painful to most women.

    WTF is the average then? I thought 7 inches was average?

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  103. on February 28, 2010 at 8:05 pm Black Flag

    We’re talking at cross purposes, I think, xsplat. Sexwise, I like your style. And I adore all this scientific sex talk. Mirror neurons? Who knew? The farthest I ever got was “The Psychology of Sexuality” in college, and I only took that to watch porn for and easy A and to view the hilarious spectacle of boys trying to rub one off when the lights were down with no one the wiser.

    But I’m talking about seduction, which is a notion that has disappeared from our culture, and is, regrettably, even lost on the “seduction community.”

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  104. on February 28, 2010 at 9:12 pm MethuselahX

    Breeze

    “Dick size…is 7-8 inches: well above average, but not painful to most women.

    WTF is the average then? I thought 7 inches was average?

    “While results vary across studies, the consensus is that the mean human penis is approximately 12.9–15 cm (5.1–5.9 in) in length with a 95% confidence interval of (10.7 cm, 19.1 cm) (or, equivalently, 4.23 in, 7.53 in).[6][7][8] The typical girth or circumference is approximately 12.3 cm (4.85 in) when fully erect.

    …

    “Studies which have relied on self-measurement, including those from Internet surveys, consistently reported a higher average length than those which used medical or scientific methods to obtain measurements.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_size

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  105. on February 28, 2010 at 11:44 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    To the dbags who insinuate ass porking equals gayness, you say that because you are too beta to go for it.

    Why do you think your mind keeps telling you to check out a woman’s ass? It’s because your willy wants to bump it.

    Again, vag sex brings the danger of hearing, “I’m pregnant.” That is the reason more than any that I won’t do vag sex.

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  106. on March 1, 2010 at 9:50 am splat

    My live in mate of 11 months died today in hospital of unknown causes after a sudden illness. Readers of my comments here may have surmised we were very happy together and close.

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  107. on March 1, 2010 at 9:53 am splat

    @Black flag: I thought it was also called the Fast Seduction Community?

    My now dead mate and I were inseparable from our first date. In fact not only did we have sex the first date, she moved in with me the very night we met.

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  108. on March 1, 2010 at 9:58 am splat

    I mean, if it works, it works. If you click, you click. Yearning isn’t pleasure. The brain just gets wanting and fulfilment of the want confused. If the candy is right in front of you, eat it and enjoy it. Get on with communion, which is where it’s at.

    God I’m going to miss my little snowflake.

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  109. on March 1, 2010 at 11:47 am Andrew

    Wow. So anal sex is alpha and establishes dominance?

    Coming from a scientific back ground It is safe to say that the anus and its associated plumbing is a outflow organ.

    The next point I can say is I don’t like anal and having studies tantra know how to get a woman to orgasim without deatroying her plumbing…

    The wannabee alphas here who like anal butt sex are homosexual hood rats. Same with anal sex and other disgusting sex acts in prOn.

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  110. on March 1, 2010 at 11:54 am MethuselahX

    Sorry to hear that, Splat. Best of luck.

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  111. on March 1, 2010 at 2:52 pm splat

    Thanks for the condolences. It’s painful as hell but eventually I’m going to have to find peace with it. Fifteen milligrams of diazepam are helping with that process. And tomorrow my ex girlfriend will come visit for a while.

    Grief sucks, and I’m no longer of the school that it’s best to let it wash over you. Been there, done that a hundred times. You can cry an ocean of tears, but the ocean never empties. All that accomplishes is feeling the depths of sorrow. I’ve felt it. I know it. Nothing more to learn from it.

    I”ve said it before, and I”ll say it again. Yay valium. Every now and then, yay, yay valium.

    No one needs to feel such incredible grief. A mate dying. Damn and fuck. Fifteen milligrams of valium, and an ex-girlfriend. Cushion that high impact blow, because PTSD is no fun for no one.

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  112. on March 1, 2010 at 6:24 pm Black Flag

    I’m so very sorry, Splat.

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  113. on March 1, 2010 at 6:25 pm Breeze

    @ MethuselahX: And I always thought women were stroking my ego (among other things) when they said I was big. Guess I have another reason to consider myself superior.

    Speaking of;

    Poetry: I have something much more lickable for you than a six pack.

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  114. on March 1, 2010 at 6:54 pm Poetry of Flesh

    Splat,

    I’m so very sorry for your incredibly loss. No matter how many times one experiences grief, no matter how you’ve learned to cope, it doesn’t make it any easier when something so tragic happens.

    Breeze,

    Huh. That makes two of us.

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  115. on March 1, 2010 at 9:14 pm xsplat

    Thanks Poetry. But it makes me curious – why do we feel such intense pain at the loss of a loved one – especially a mate? From an evo-psych point of view, what’s the benefit?

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  116. on March 1, 2010 at 10:57 pm MethuselahX

    Interesting thought…

    Could it partially be withdrawal symptoms from the oxytocin high implicated in pair-bonding?

    I learned recently that evolution co-opted the existing physical pain circuitry when it was creating mental pain, and the idea is that’s why intense mental pain can feel like physical pain.

    Anyway, hope it’s bearable.

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  117. on March 2, 2010 at 5:19 am xsplat

    Ya, that’s not a bad stab at the question, Poetry. But that grief also affects siblings and parents, and can be debilitating. And as you say, maybe it’s not an evolved response, but a side effect of other evolved responses.

    I understand why people choose religion. We want and need answers sometimes, so strongly. We just need them. Even when the answers aren’t there.

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  118. on March 7, 2010 at 11:34 am Abigail

    xsplat, I submit that the fact that you are looking for answers may indicate the existence of answers. Maybe you’ve been looking in the wrong places though.

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