February 27, 2010 by CH
Exquisite. Let’s get a full body shot.
And here’s the lovely Kiira impersonating a DC lawyer chick:
It doesn’t suit you, babe.
I have fond memories of my time with a Finnish girl, who looked eerily similar to Kiira. I’m not anti-American woman, but I know a superior product when I’ve lain with one.
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Roissy,
She needs to use white strips for her yellow teeth..may be a fake tan like our so-cal women?..Just saying
[editor: please, good sir, do not blaspheme this blog’s taste in women ever again. perhaps you’d like better the whiter teeth of our manjawed compatriots?]
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I have been enjoying the articles about the Olympics being short of condoms. apparently 14 per person wasn’t enough. I guess being an athlete is one way to get guaranteed sex and a good flag database.
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Anyone else think curling is like ice bocci for retards?
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was this finnish girl under the age of 23, named Heta, tall, and an au-pair? Because I have fond memories of her too when I lived in DC in 2007/2008.
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She looks like the child of a cyborg, possibly that of the Cindy McCain-bot.
Nice arms though.
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Noice.
And I’m not really big into blondes either.
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Yowza. Nordic siren.
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what about curling?
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Where’s MRA (Jack)?
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OMG HER TEETH ARE YELLOW.
Internet Male Alert :p
you’d still hit that with a Cricket bat, don’t you lie.
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Can`someone with more experience than I verify that Finns tend to have these cute noses?
It’s just been true in my (rather limited) experience.
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Nordic Girls are the most beautiful girls on Earth.
Too bad that as the the rest of Western countries , the low fertility rate of these countries is sinking…
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I don’t if this has been mentioned yet, but the headlines ache to blare: “Liberal atheists: smarter and more monogamous”
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=C2
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Man, I’d love to go to the Olympics just to experience the so called mass hormoned crazed orgy at the end.
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One of the condom shortage articles basically said the Swedish Hockey Team ran a train on a figure skater. I’m not saying its her, but if it was, I’d understand.
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If each of the Swedish hockey players ran through more than 14 condoms on one figure skater, that girl wouldn’t be able to walk much less skate
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However you may feel about dating lawyers, you have to admit that it provides for some good banter.
Ex.
The firm called. They said they want you to take some dick-tation.
The firm called. There’s some briefs they want you to look into.
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was this finnish girl under the age of 23, named Heta, tall, and an au-pair? Because I have fond memories of her too when I lived in DC in 2007/2008.
no, her name was paivi.
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I must say, I greatly prefer Kim Yu-Na. On average I greatly prefer East Asian girls over white girls. Fortunately I don’t come from one of those “marry within your race” families.
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Clothes do make the woman.
1st pic = hot
2nd pic = crack whore
3rd pic = tranny lawyer
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Niice..
Yeah, she could get the business.
On another note, @OhioStater, do you have a link for this article you reference about the swedish team running a train on a figure skater?
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A little on the flat side, but definitely very feminine and beautiful. 9.1/10
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Not everyone thinks nordic women are the most beautiful. For example, there is a guy in Sweden who loves black women so much that he created a web site devoted to the subject:
http://www.blackisbeautiful.se/
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Asian women at the very top of the spectrum are probably the best looking. There seems to be a low standard deviation in beauty though; there are many average/above average looking asian girls but very few extremely ugly or extremely hot ones. They tend to age the best and have the most feminine dispositions and behaviors which is a big bonus.
Latin girls seem to be almost the opposite, with fewer in the middle and more on either end.
There’s only a few nordic girls where I live so I can’t comment.
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Tupac, one of my best friends was a Finn, and yes, Finnish women do tend to have those dainty little noses. I was told by my friend (whose nose looked barely big enough to breathe through) that this is because of an Asiatic component in their ethnic make-up.
My Finnish friend, very beautiful, had a wide, high-cheekboned, flattish face with a tiny nose and ears; she looked like a blond Balinese girl. She told me that, like many Finns, she could only wear contact lenses manufactured for the Asian market. Apparently eastern Asians have eyes that are slightly elliptical in shape compared to those of most Europeans.
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“Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with “unconventional” philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be “ways to communicate to everyone that you’re pretty smart,” he said. ”
So “liberalism” and “atheism” are signalling for the high Iq set.
Of course he mentions nothing about libertarianism or anarchocapitalism, which I would imagine leaves liberals in the dust.
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“It defines “liberal” in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people.”
So he basically defined “liberal” in an idiosyncratic way (nothing to do with how conservatives and liberals as typically understood behave with respect to charitable donations, etc.)
Basically a worthless study for the media to distort and smear conservatives.
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it’ll be funny when liberals glom onto this study. then you can ask them, as big believers in IQ, what they think of the racial IQ gap.
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What about the Canadian,er, “womens” hockey team? Strong women! Now thats sexy! Basically men w/o dicks…
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There is a lot of anecdotal evidence in the comments section at Huff Post to the contrary of that study.
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I’m a photographer, it’s just the lighting that made her teeth that color. Normally lights have an orange tint, or fluorescent green.
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Your choice of words “superior product” make you an inferior product.
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I just saw some women’s speed skating. Its not necessarily flattering outwear but one of the Germans made is across falling and sprawling on the ice. While she popped out her blond hair still offering prostration, she was in fits of conflicted emotion that were waving through her meaty, skin tightly wrapped, hour glass athletic body. It was very enjoyable.
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So, I’m mostly into Mediterranean/Latin women but this Finnish bird is sweet. I’d show her I’m not prejudiced against Nordic girls.
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C’mon, man. Her teeth are not yellow.
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The chicks on the Canadian curling team has some nice ass in the neoprene suits.
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The Slavo-Nordic corridor is sublime…her’s in particular.
[editor: nice one!]
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One of my firsts was a redheaded Finnish girl who looked like Molly Ringwald in her prime. My balls still tingle when I think of her. Damn I miss fucking teenagers.
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“it’ll be funny when liberals glom onto this study. then you can ask them, as big believers in IQ, what they think of the racial IQ gap.”
Race doesn’t exiiiiiiiiiiiiist, they’ll say.
Another quote from the article:
“”Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with,” he said. ”
Oh this study is completely clueless.
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“Liberal atheists: smarter and more monogamous”
More like, “statisticians unable to use basic statistics properly.” Funny making noise about an IQ gap of 6 between liberal atheists and … I dunno what: conservative religious people? They never say. Racial IQ gaps are more like 20.
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Wow. Nordic goddess. Did anyone catch the typical man /whitey hater response?
It is almost like since obongo got selected to high office white people can be hated on without societal restraint.
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“I dunno what: conservative religious people?”
“The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines “liberal” in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.”
Does this make any sense to you?
Conservative religious people include a large number of missionary types, who one might say are concerned about “genetically nonrelated” people.
The “American view” of liberal as opposed to conservative isn’t “concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people.” In that respect it’s fundamentally about the role of state vs. non-state actors in “helping those people.”
I’d love to get ahold of the study to see wtf they’re talking about, because this article isn’t shedding any light.
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“My Finnish friend, very beautiful, had a wide, high-cheekboned, flattish face with a tiny nose and ears; she looked like a blond Balinese girl. She told me that, like many Finns, she could only wear contact lenses manufactured for the Asian market. Apparently eastern Asians have eyes that are slightly elliptical in shape compared to those of most Europeans.”
Can’t really say much about the nose thing since I’ve never really paid any attention to the noses of Finnish women, but my gut feeling says that women here don’t generally have these kinds of noses. Or maybe they do and I just need to pay more attention.
And the eye thing. My optometrists mentioned nothing about anything even related to that. I’m as Finnish as you can be and I use contacts made in USA. And I’ve had absolutely no problems with them.
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Check out the Russian curling team.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/reddit/the-russian-curling-team-is-hot
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“Superior product”.
That’s EXACTLY what they are. I love the outrage such cold, clear words evince – “womenz is not a piece of meet!1”
Everything can be narrowed down to its market value.
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Fine bone structure like many northern Europeans tend to have, large eyes and yet a gentle nose, aristrocratic-and-rounded brow, yellow-blonde hair and gemstone eyes.
She’s got that delicate look.
Ive noted on another blog that blonde women usually do much better to not “vamp it up”, but play to wholesomeness in their presentation, espeically when they are younger. It looks much better on them to go minimal with the make-up. Just a touch of blush on the cheeks, a bit of lipstick (not-too much, dont try to reshape the lips, just color them a tad) and light on the eyeliner. Hair simple and swept back. That brings out their delicateness-and-best “look” IMO.
My all time favorite blonde here performing: (she was cutesy):
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understood. but my good man, you cannot overlook Tanith Belbin.
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Hi Willy Wonka.
Here’s the article:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35439222/
On second thought, it was written by MSNBC. Probably can’t trust it.
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Damn Alex. Beat me to it.
The Russian women’s curling team was indeed the class of the winter olympics.
Seriously, look at this girl:
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Ok, the article didn’t assume train, but I assume choo! choo! since:
1. They don’t start the fun until competition is over. Hockey and figure skating are the marquee events so there is little time for socializing.
2. Even with slutty girls it takes time to game a girl. If a girl got with a guy, especially a million dollar a year player, she’d try to lock him down.
Most Olympic caliber players have wives, and you’d assume they are hot, and you’d assume they came to Vancouver.
As for the single ones…this looks like a guy that would nail your wife.
http://stars.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8470626
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Jay
Everything can be narrowed down to its market value.
Yeah, right Jay. And your value is nil.
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You mean you’re NOT anti-American women? That’s news to me :p
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“there is a guy in Sweden who loves black women”
Outlier, and I don’t much care for “White Boy”. Calling another man a boy is grounds for violence.
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Ouch! The author of “atheists are smarter” study gets smacked down by an atheist:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/stop_patting_yourselves_on_the.php
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Russian women > Finnish women
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Where’s MRA (Jack)? I’m getting worried now.
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JB:
Ouch! The author of “atheists are smarter” study gets smacked down by an atheist:
A weak rebuttal. Kanazawa isn’t exactly a slouch, and as mentioned in the original article, he and the other principal author are libertarian and conservative, respectively. Not exactly a propaganda piece for the left, eh?
And when you stop to think about it, it’s not too far afield. A certain strain of conservatism could certainly be said to be allied with the status quo and protectionist, in-group concerns. I don’t think that’s a controversial statement.
Consider the developmental stages of children. An early stage in Piaget’s theory has children going through a narcissitic phase where all concerns are self-directed. This is transcended and surpassed by a more mature awareness of the needs and concerns of other people. This moment of growth is the beginning of burgeoning empathy. I don’t think it’s too far a jump to extrapolate this notion to the fumbling attempts of intelligent people to construct a worldview that takes the Other into consideration.
None of this is to be construed as an endorsement of the real-world policy prescriptions of the current liberal elite. One must always keep in mind the practical ramifications of any state sponsored top-down central planning — the whole of which is currently counterproductive and socially disastrous. But I do think the impulse and urge to *consider* — with some ideal end in mind — the fate of those less fortunate is indicative of a higher-order of consciousness.
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Russian women > Finnish women
I’m inclined to agree.
To bad I don’t have the bucks to bag one.
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AMERICAN WOMEN>EUROTRASH!
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AMERICAN WOMEN>EUROTRASH!
Not from the pornos I’ve seen.
There’s something in the water over there, I’m telling you.
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OT, but what happened to Doug1 and Vladimir?
Are you out there?
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Hey Tupac
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My kind of Russian woman.
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Mental masturbation to the image of Finnish/Russian women is stupid and wrong.
The BEST women that ever lived were the young women of the greatest generation – of the 1940s that fought the dirt-bag nazis/jap losers in WW2.
They generally looked great because virtually none of them were fat. That should be repeated about a They were, by and large, crazed with deep gina-tingles for their Male Love Objects who were off killing
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Fuck this moderation shit. I never even got to finnish typing my screed before the moderation hammer came down
readable, cogent, entertaining screeds are not an infinately available resource…. And I have a day job.
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Only reason? It’s not like you’d turn down Therese Johaug from Norway if she needed a good lay one day. http://therese-johaug.skyrock.com/
She’s born a real beauty, but she’s constantly “shielded” from being showed her femininity in the press. And admittedly being an elite endurance athlete makes her a lot more masculinized than say an equally high level dancer or figure skater.
But the problem is Norwegian feminist culture makes our women so much uglier than they could have been. Johaug was just heartbreakingly cute when she was a teen, but all the stress and conditioning just makes girls into feminists so quickly these days. Only in Scandinavia would you see blonde beauties that could make a million a year at high class brothel all over the world doing hard manual labour because, like, it’s equality. Therese Johaug even got publically chastised for looking too much like one of those left over, over charging Russian hookers in Skippagurra the feminists didn’t manage to chase out of the county in a dance video clip about a year ago. She didn’t care and showed up in the same outfit and did the same thing again a week after at a press conference though, that’s what kind of a person she is. What a fucking cuntry it has turned into now, I’m glad I left it for 300 days of sun, hot sex and depravities.
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God bless the Finno-Ugric genes.
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R can make all the rules for R-Land – I get that. It is Rs’ sandbox. Whatever.
But I am not really from this kind of place. Maybe I am too much a Southerner -a back-woods lunatic with an internet connection and a heart full of hate.
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But I am not really from this kind of place. Maybe I am too much a Southerner -a back-woods lunatic with an internet connection and a heart full of hate.
WTF does that mean, O drunk one?
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PA I’m expecting you to lay into me for my last comment
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OK, full confession, I’m pretty bent right now too
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play station x, isn’t a person’s inherent value ineffable, despite their benighted and cruel reductionism?
Or iz u a hypocrite?
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About the IQ thing. People who have a very high IQ are resistant to propaganda. The smartest among us are a combination of libertarian, conservative and classically liberal.
The dominant form of propaganda for the past few decades is liberalism and progressivism. Your modern garden variety liberal, although smart, doesn’t reach an IQ threshold for propaganda resistance and is brainwashed. Sorry, you have my condolences.
The elite liberal propaganda disseminators, like in our media, are very intelligent but they’re not really liberal. They have an agenda to achieve power, it’s not because they think modern liberalism is the correct way to live.
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unfortunately, the ZOG machine has socially conditioned me to pop boners for this broad
http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-short-track-speed-skating/athletes/allison-baver_ath1023307gL.html
peace to my finnish surname
probably went to penn state… haha sho nuff
and she is older than me… dagger!
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motherfucking moderation! i am just going to start posting rap videos from 1994, yeehaw
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white athletes, white rappers
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There’s something in the water over there, I’m telling you.
Semen
About the IQ thing. People who have a very high IQ are resistant to propaganda. The smartest among us are a combination of libertarian, conservative and classically liberal.
Maybe, but only propaganda that goes against their already established views. Classical liberalism and libertarianism are very overrepresented among high-IQ types but so is malignant leftism. It is true however that as you go from soft fields like sociology to hard fields like math that the proportion of extreme leftists declines and the proportion of libertarians and classical liberals increases.
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i like sharpcool’s comment because it fuels my Positive Feedback Loop
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Hrothgar,
Therese Johaug is very pretty and a great athlete. also.
Maybe she is not being shielded from showing her femininity in public as much as she realizes that having men find her sexy is not the only measure of her worth. Besides I saw some pictures of her where she was wearing a dress and looked beautiful. I seriously hope you are not suggesting you would rather see her working as a prostitute rather than competing as an Olympic athlete. Norway sounds like a wonderful country to me.
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“Check out the Russian curling team.”
Yes, they are very hot. As a bonus, being curlers, they’ve got the cleaning skills down pat!
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@Hrothgar
Feminism does make women ugly. The hormone balance is impacted by stress. Women in stressful, high pressure jobs tend to go into an androgynous survival condition and waist to hip ratios suffer. It is, after all, not a good time to reproduce or so the body supposes.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/20479666
Matriarchal societies will tend to be ugly.
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This will boil your blood:
Victims of Paternity Fraud
During her divorce proceedings, Bonnie repeatedly claimed that Doug Richardson was the father of her child, but the child told Doug that Bonnie stated that Abraham Flores was his real father. The court refused Doug’s request for a continuance to obtain counsel to assist in contesting paternity.
1 The Michigan Court of Appeals affirmed.
2 A paternity test excluded Doug as a possible father of the child.
3 Bonnie resumed living with Abraham, but Doug was forced to pay child support into the household of the child’s real father.
Later, Bonnie and Abraham broke up with a formal change of custody from Bonnie to Abraham. The Michigan State Court ordered Doug, the nonfather, to pay child support directly to Abraham, the biological father.
http://www.ejfi.org/family/family-87.htm
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Hmph, I didn’t anticipate as much grief for the article, but perhaps I’d forgotten genes—> IQ is only supposed to vindicate long-held beliefs. I thought the monogamy angle would get more play than political stuff.
JB writes:
Nor do they take into account Rawlsian liberalism or Lockean left-libertarians. It’s true that as we venture to the ends of the political spectrum we find people who are more informed, and probably more intelligent. The fact is many liberals do not have a well-formed ideology. You’re going by a more self-selected group; suppose we took into account people who are libertarian, but they not realize they are libertarian.
I think the definition for liberal is hardly “idiosyncratic” — “concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people.” It’s not as precise as I’d like for reasons you mention, but then again, this is a paraphrase from the CNN writer, not the authors of the study.
Jonathan Haidt and others have flagged a key difference between liberal and conservative moral psychologies: the value placed on in-group loyalty.
JB writes:
I don’t know what you consider a “large number,” or a “missionary type” for that matter. What percentage would you guess? One percent? Two percent? This also keys into a significant difference: the purpose of a missionary is to convert heathens to one’s own tribe. That’s not nearly as much the case for liberal cosmopolitans, such as most Peace Corps folk for example. The evangelization of liberal values usually comes in the form of “human rights,” especially with respect to female genital mutilation and equal opportunities for girls in education.
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Roissy:
I do not think this quite gets to the heart of the matter: I suppose liberals could still maintain there are environmental causes. Liberals run into deeper problems when they trumpet research suggesting the existence of a “gay gene.”
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Vincent I. writes:
I’m not sure how true this stereotype is. C.P. Snow had a famous essay some decades back generalizing that Marxists and leftists gravitated toward the hard sciences, and conservatives mostly dominated literature. Since the sixties the academy has largely been dominated by left-of-center types. Off the top of my head, I recall a study that found that most politically lop-sided discipline in terms of Democrats-to-Republicans is anthropology. The least lop-sided was economics, though still 3:1 for Democrats (most commenters plausibly guessed conservative/libertarian types leave academia to make money in the private sector). This suggests physics and math are largely dominated by left-leaning types, though maybe many of them also leave for the private sector.
Interestingly, on the topic of atheism, I recall survey data showing that physicists and mathematicians are less likely to be atheists than soft-science biologists. Researchers reasonably guessed the idea of a remote Creator may appeal more to engineering types. Biologists see the world as a messier place.
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Picture n:o 2 is amusing ; posing sexy as if she needed
to put in the effort.No hat-tip for clueing you in on her,Roissy?
Ethereal fuckability is rare.
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Tessa Virtue was the second reason to watch these Olympics.
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Tupac:
I have not seen many people in this community take issue with Kanazawa’s stuff on racial differences in IQ, or that violent fathers are more likely to have sons, or “Ten politically incorrect truths about human nature.” Suddenly citing liberal atheist P.Z. Meyers looks mighty convenient.
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I do not know if this true, but it is funny nonetheless..
—
Hilary Duff – balcony blowjob proposal candids in Hawaii, February 19, 2010 *updated*
http://www.celebfanforum.com/showthread.php?t=47090
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sharpcool said: “About the IQ thing. People who have a very high IQ are resistant to propaganda. The smartest among us are a combination of libertarian, conservative and classically liberal.”
sharpcool’s onto something.
smart + no experience (like most “ivory tower” folk) = flaming liberal, leftist jackass… Karl Marx, for example.
smart + exprience = conservative
Or as Ronald Reagan said: “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
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Hrothgar has it right, the Nordic countries (actually, quite a lot of Western Europe, including my home country) has a rampant feminazi problem, where the State takes half your wages to support them, and everyone but yourself and kids are taught to sit down when they pee. If you think women will be all cute and feminine, and not feel entitled to anything they want just because, when they grow up in _that_ environment, get ready to be surprised. The good thing: At least they look good enough to make it worth the trouble. For now.
I lived in Germany for five years. The socialist blood-sucking is absolutely soul crushing, and am I ever glad of being out of there.
Western Europe: Visit, don’t stay.
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Do Not Marry, that is super f*cked-up. To have to pay child support to the now single-father ex-lover of your ex-wife who got custody after breaking up with the woman who he got pregnant while she was married to you and caused your divorce. F*ck that! (It’s getting so we should just adopt our kids when they’re sixteen and already have driver’s licenses. Presto, someone who’ll carry on the family name and inherit the estate that we’ll won’t’ve screwed-up with our stupid marital “relationship” follies along the way!)
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@Laura
How are you? These women are too young for me. I’ve turned over a new leaf.
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If that happened to me I’d get fired from my job immediately and stop paying that bullshit. You can throw me in jail but I’m not paying child support to a man. It’s bad enough I have to support my ex and her god damn lesbian lover.
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Have a look at the right way for a woman to accept a marriage proposal. This one made my day..
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/pictures-say-more-than-words-01/
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Kanazawa is refreshingly politically incorrect, but that’s just about his only virtue. The charge that evolutionary psychology is just a bunch of just so stories actually does apply to Kanazawa.
People like Steven Pinker, Robert Wright and Geoffrey Miller may all be trimmers, but they are much better thinkers than Kanazawa and it isn’t hard to read between the lines of their work.
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The Michigan State Court ordered Doug, the nonfather, to pay child support directly to Abraham, the biological father.
Michigan State Court + RDX = Problem Solved
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1st picture: About as beautiful as one can get.
2nd picture: Modern whore look doesn’t work for her.
3rd picture: No.
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Thursday, what do you mean that they’re trimmers?
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I love how people quote Hollywood actor Ronald Reagan without irony. Read a lot of Marx and Lenin, did he? I mean, c’mon, those are the honey-tongued words of a speechwriter.
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@ Vince: They may be the honey tongued words of a speech writer, but definitely a speech writer who read and understood Marx and Lenin.
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Why is everyone commenting about her teeth being yellow? They are not to me.
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so cute
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> If you think women [in northern Europe] will be all cute and feminine, and not feel entitled to anything they want just because, when they grow up in _that_ environment, get ready to be surprised.
Actually they are, only the cute ones are teens now and not 20-somethings. By that time all the stress, extra protein and fat ingestion, team sports, career expectations, education/indoctrination and more stress have often made them significantly less attractive than they would have been in non gender twisted societies. After then there’s a steady decline where some unfortunate souls reach epic femi monster proportions.
> Matriarchal societies will tend to be ugly.
Absolutely. Just look at Therese. From nature I think she has very pretty facial features, but she also has pretty much perfect facial and body symmetry, and that’s quite rare in beautiful women (or any people). Her athletic symmetry allows her to compete successfully at an open weight sport even if she is shorter and has less mass than she should have for that discipline. She’s also a really fun and sexy girl. But already at 21 she’s starting to get weathered to the point where she profits considerably from makeup and affected by all that growth hormone and testosterone pumping through her system due to training and other things. Broader nose, larger jaw line, more prominent forehead ridge, rougher skin etc. I mean she’s still really nice, but you have to wonder how much she’s going to lose from being under all those masculinizing influences compared to doing acrobatics or dancing for example.
I’m sure you think Norway is great if you’re a feminist Laura, because it really is a feminist country now. Unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to be great for much longer with massive taxes and third world immigration from the world’s most dysfunctional countries, way below replacement birth rates and the more talented Norwegian guys increasingly choosing to go to warmer and friendlier countries because the whole system has become so unbeneficial, even hostile to productive men.
And what is a prostitute anyway, Laura? A hooker sure, but a mistress? A girlfriend or a wife who has significantly less money than their man? I’m sure she feels much better as an extreme endurance athlete even if it works against her biology compared to being a hooker in a bad environment for example. But I don’t think she would be worse off being some worthy man’s consort, on the contrary, I think she’d probably feel much better.
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Hrothgar
>Actually they are, only the cute ones are teens now and not 20-somethings
I was actually referring to their attitude and personalities (though on second reading, I realize it wasn’t so clear). Sure they are good looking, as I said, for now. We’ll see how long the genetic pool can hold out.
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I agree with those who think Nordic women are the most beautiful in the world. I would include in that category Eastern European/Slavic women too.
Howard Stern, a Jew, once joked on his show how he had wished Hitler and the Nazis had won the war. He said something to the effect that, “Can you imagine a world filled with nothing but beautiful, blond haired, blue eyed women.”
Ask any prostitute, pimp, madam, or brothel owner and they will tell you the girls most in demand, and the ones who in turn can charge the most money, are blond hair, blue eyed girls.
Notions of diversity and multiculturalism go out the door when men are paying for pussy. Even the most sickeningly PC liberal male is going to spend his money on the women he finds most attractive, which, in most cases, is going to be the women with at least some Nordic features.
Blond hair and blue eyes are also the rarest in the world too, which makes them even more valuable.
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I understand what you’re saying Hrothgar. I would rather be a worthy man’s consort than an endurance athlete. Way more fun. However, since I am 35 years old that is not an option. Pretty woman have a small window of opportunity in their lives to be the object of desire for men. After it’s over it helps to have other interests and hobbies. I’m guessing Therese will probably eventually get married and have children and derive happiness from that.
I personally am not driven enough to be an extreme endurance athlete. I get bored when I work out for 20 minutes.
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Oh and as to Kiira, I would absolutely love to fuck her…
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“Wow. Nordic goddess. Did anyone catch the typical man /whitey hater response?”
I didn’t note any “whitey hater” response at all. If I’m a white dude but I don’t like the Finn, what does that make me? A self-hater? Asian chicks are just way hotter in my eyes.
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Hrothgar: You make one mistake which I must pick you up on so women do not do something stupid like ruin their figure.
high protein diets are healthier than high carb diets. The reason western women are fat and have terrible skin is that they shove cakes, cookies, chocolate, cream, chips etc down their gullets instead of sticking to a diet of meat and vegetables.
Read Dusk in Autumn for more details. And remember women, put down the twinkie, you’ve probably had more than enough to eat already.
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jay jay
A person is valuable just because they is.
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The best reason to watch the Olympics is the same as why professional sports playoffs excel over regular games: the quest for glory.
That, and opportunity to enjoy diversity in its truest sense – a variety of sports – instead of rich ghetto thugs injecting misguided Malcolm Farrakhan X socio-sexual politics into what truly are, essentially, children’s schoolyard games.
If one needs to hear “foobagoobin'” about how “da sissem bin keepin’ me down ain sheet” one can turn on local news and hear local heads of government of the local big city complain about amberlamps problems that are eventually coming to your neighborhood.
When “D Wade” complains about his $375,000 rims, well, the effect is just not the same.
Lovely Kiira is fair competition for Elin Manjaw-Nordgren-Woods-Kennedy-Bono-Kennedy-Woods if she ever decides to enter the jock-sniffing circus.
Odds are, for DC wiener, she’d rather simultaneously gang bone Gilbert Arenas, Jason Campbell and Antwaan Randle El than a prophet crying in the wilderness, no matter how truthful. Especially how truthful.
No, the best reason to watch the Games is its closeness to the purity of competition.
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Hrothgar,
Norway (and the other Scandinavian countries) with their egalitarian gender culture are a blessing to the world and a paragon for many countries. Today, the Scandinavian countries are not only the richest countries in the world, they also enjoy the highest quality of life. A large part of this success can be attributed to the respect for the female and the gender equality. In the nearest future, people will migrate to Scandinavia, not away from it (not always good though).
“Feminist culture” does not make the Nordic women uglier. A person’s beauty is determined by the symmetry in their face and body and by the healthiness they radiate, a person is beautiful or handsome by Nature. What you in fact consider as ‘uglier’ is the natural state of a woman. Which says a lot about the healthiness and vigour of your own sexuality. You don’t just want more beautiful, more natural, more symmetrical. You want more glamourized, more sexualised, more explicit, more pornographic eventually. This is something that a Nordic woman has never been about and never will be about.
When men expect their equal partner, working, tax paying women to look like Playboy bunnies, it essentially means that these men want their cake and eat it too. No, you cannot have someone who is working full time, paying her own bills and raising her child, to go out of her way and look ‘more pretty or feminine’ just to please you (while you are just being regular). You have not done anything to this woman for her to want to do that for you. You have not granted her any favours and she does not owe you anything. Expecting for Theresa to be glamourized (without a special occasion) would be like wishing to eat caviar every day while on a median income, or like throwing oranges to pigs. You have not done anything to deserve that she gets all glamorous and ‘feminine’ in front of you. Besides, the world is already full of bimbos, porn queens, and now you have an artificial super glamourized cyber female plaything, isn’t that enough for you guys??? Leave the free, natural women alone to live their own lives as they wish.
Beauty is of course universal, but it appears that the biggest concentration of human (both male and female) beauty can indeed be found in the Nordic countries, the Baltic region and Northern Russia. It’s probably because this is the native area of the Nordic race.
Quote: “I seriously hope you are not suggesting you would rather see her working as a prostitute rather than competing as an Olympic athlete.”
That is exactly what he is suggesting. It would beyond doubt please him better to see a beautiful woman subjected to a situation where she has to trade in some of her body, her physical assets in order to have a better life (or even just to survive). As opposed to her being free to decide what she wants to do with her own life – with or without a man. Of course, he would like to see a fantastically beautiful woman being a captive of circumstances that are determined by male privilege and domination. What he seems to forget is that women are human beings too and as such they naturally desire freedom.
You are saying that only teen girls seem appealing to you. Well, it is not really a crime to be an ephebophiliac, supposedly. So the best place for a guy who prefers teenage faces and bodies is probably some Asian country, where you can buy female children to have sex with.
The woman’s features change as women go into their 20s not because they become less ‘cute’ but because they grow into adulthood and as adults they cast away the childlike physical characteristics. The face just becomes more rugged, the skin of course becomes stronger. Btw, Skandi women retain the paedomorphic (childlike) features for most of their life. Sure, stress can affect a person’s looks, but most of the stress does not come from work (because the women are accustomed to the idea that they will have to work), but unfortunately sometimes from men and relationships.
Norway has one of the highest birth rates in Europe, due to gender equality (as opposed to the more traditional south where the birth rates are lower). Of course, Scandinavia must change its current immigration policy and stop immigration from non-European countries. But in order to do this, the Skandis would have to do all the nasty jobs themselves. Happily, there are Eastern Europeans who can work on those oil platforms and catering industries.
Quote: ” And what is a prostitute anyway, Laura? A hooker sure, but a mistress? A girlfriend or a wife who has significantly less money than their man? I’m sure she feels much better as an extreme endurance athlete even if it works against her biology compared to being a hooker in a bad environment for example. But I don’t think she would be worse off being some worthy man’s consort, on the contrary, I think she’d probably feel much better.”
That is merely your personal assumption. But women are different and you cannot get into a woman’s mind and tell what she wants or not. I mean, if Theresa did not herself WANT or desire to be an athlete, she wouldn’t become one, would she? She would not endure all the discipline and hardships of professional sports. Apparently the sense of self worth that comes from overcoming obstacles and the appreciation of her countrymen gives her a much bigger high. She could easily become an arm candy – even in Norway. If not in Norway, she could go to the US (like many of those Swedish girls desiring for an actresse’s career have done just to return at 35 with empty hands). This woman lives in a free world, she knows herself what makes HER feel much better. Yes, she would gain something by becoming arm candy – comfort, some security for a relatively short time. But she would lose much more – part of her identity, her free will, her choices.
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Skadi, you couldn’t be more wrong. The “richness” of the Scandinavian countries comes from natural resources, and from putting an increasing amount of financial pressure on each successive generation. The extensive welfare system has the obvious effect of increasing fertility (that’s what it is, not “gender equality”), but that’s a finite system because the money has to come from somewhere – taxes. Eventually, you won’t be able to keep increasing taxes. And then the whole thing will come crashing down like a house of cards.
Sooner or later, the system will need to be overhauled. If you look at what’s happening with pensions all over Europe (lowering rates, higher time requirements – Spain’s currently studying an increase of the number of years one has to work before receiving a full pension upon retirement), you’d realize that there’s something fishy going on up there.
It’s also interesting that you think they’ve got to stop immigration. Their scheme can only work with enough suckers doing hard work and paying hysterical taxes, and for that immigration helps a lot. Cutting down immigration would only speed up the stagnation and collapse.
Finally, take a look at this:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/510
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RMM,
The “conservative” Brussels Journal has many good articles but this is not one of them.
No, I am not wrong. The Scandinavian countries are the most prosperous countries in the world with the highest quality of life in the world. No, their richness does not come from natural resources, except for Norway (unless you consider people as natural resources). Their quality of life stems from developing human capital and from a moderate, rational destribution of wealth, from balancing economic freedom and social security. Where does that in turn come from? From the culture (the “lagom”principle in particular which I like to compare to Aristotle’s golden rule).
The Nordic model only tends to work in small, ethnically homogenius, relatively closely knit, immobile societies. I doubt it would ever work in the US or the UK which are incredibly diverse bot h in income levels and cultural backgrounds. Likewise, a neoliberal Anglosaxon model would destroy the Nordic nations. These models are irreconcilable and there is no need to compare them, each one of them works best for the given population and it is only a matter of which one you choose – I mean, nobody’s forcing you to live in Scandinavia.
Nobody knows what really increases fertility in Europeans. It is a puzzle. But the gender equality is a big part of the relatively stable birth rate in Scandinavia, many agree on that. This is because of the female friendly culture in those countries, the flexibility when it comes to work and parenting, great infrastructure, and the supportive role of males in family life. The Nordic model really benefits the men, both alphas and betas (and there are plenty of business alphas there, they’re not running anywhere en masse). Not only it makes the society less prone to crime, it also guarantees men’s paternal rights. This whole ‘divorce and alimony’ thing that the Anglo men keep complaining about so desperately, is not a common thing in Scandinavia as the law and the principle of gender equality ensures that the men’s rights are respected.
The Nordic model is the object of constant research and it’s a work in progress, it is being constantly measured and analysed in order to reform it for the future. It will not break down sooner than the Anglo system will break down, it could be vice versa.
All Western welfare states are finite, they cannot be sustained. The American system – even though I don’t know what that is right now – is also not sustainable at the current living standard (even though living standards are extremely different for different Americans). The Nordic model is just a part of that whole Western welfare state, but it is the most peculiar, flexible and the best prepared part of it. And Americans might eventually have a much harder time, given the big military industrial complex and the huge of amounts of public spending that goes into it.
And when this breaks down, it will be much harder to maintain a non-egalitarian, dispersed and multicultural system than a more safer egalitarian ethnically compact society.
Why are you bringing up Spain while discussing the Scandinavian model? Spain is very different both economically and culturally, including when it comes to gender equality.
Immigration does need to be halted, the economy must be restructured to a more realistic living standard. Btw, you don’t have to lose the quality of life by lowering the living standard (having less money on your hands). The cutting down of immigration needs to happen gradually, while making people work more and giving up certain unnecessary luxuries.
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I’m bringing up Spain as an example of reforms that need to happen in a system of unsustainable welfare.
Yes, you are wrong. You are wrong because you refuse to see the consequences of borrowing from the future. Sweden’s tax burden bordered 80% before a large reform by the conservatives – a reform that, predictably and necessarily, increased unemployment and cut down some of the unsustainable welfare. After that shot in the arm, the socialism took hold over the country again, and after soothing the population with a “there, there, did the bad man hurt you?” started with the steady increase of tax again.
Oh, and:
http://www.internationalliving.com/Internal-Components/Further-Resources/quality-of-life-2010
You’re simply _wrong_, there’s just not two ways around it. Everything you’re saying is simply not anchored in reality, or is some 30 years out of date.
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Spain has a different system and culture, Spain is one of the PIGS which none of the Nordics are a part of currently. Spain still hasn’t modernized completely and has never been anywhere close to the standard of the Nordic welfare state. It’s a southern country with a completely different social hierarchy. What’s next, comparing the Greek transparency and tax paying habits (grey economy) to the Scandinavian ones?
I don’t care if you think I’m wrong. You can state it as much as you want if it pleases you so much. That does not change the reality of things. There are loads of polls and indexes about the best standard of living, but the Skandis have consistently come on top in the UN assessments, both in the quality of life and competitiveness. Not to even mention the Gini index.
Again, there is no point in arguing about this. You stay with your system, the Nordics stay with theirs.
The progressivity of the Swedish tax system ranges from 5-60%. Yes, it’s a lot. But they get loads of free services in a normal quality, the crime rate stays low because there is widespread equality and that saves a lot of money that would otherwise have to be spent on fighting crime and dealing with social problems. It is rationally distributed to preserve a stable, healthy society.
Every Western country has borrowed from the future, including the US. How have Skandis borrowed more from the future than the Americans, Brits, the Irish or other Western countries? All of their systems are unsustainable. Scandinavia has in fact invested in its future by increasing its human capital.
Read again what I said – all Western countries have overspent and will have to restructure and cut public spending. It is not about the amount of money, it’s about how it is distributed. But like I said, it’s certainly not a system for everyone. It is only meant for small, homogeneous societies. That’s why immigration needs to be regulated because it can ruin the system.
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“I don’t care if you think I’m wrong. You can state it as much as you want if it pleases you so much. That does not change the reality of things.”
You wanna be the kettle or the pot? Unlike your “loads of studies/rankings/whatnot” statement, any search for actual data contradicts what you say.
You’re in dreamland, buddy. Enjoy your stay.
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Skadi –
You are a racist pig as well as a feminist harpie. I think they go together. The Nordic countries are feminist hellholes with the grayest, most BORING culture in the world.
Ever notice how as nordic men and women enter middle age they start to look like each other? Way too much androgyny.
That whole culture tries to eliminate sex differences. Yuck.
When men are women and women are men, what’s the point of living? The cult of equality is an evil force which sucks the life out of everything.
The hell with nordic womyn. May their eggs all die unfertilized.
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Skadi,
While you write well and I see your point of view as an older woman, here is an example of where your philosophy doesn’t work. As a woman, it is in your interest that men, in the spirit of being equal, date their own age because it drastically lowers your chance of being abandoned later in life.
But men don’t see things this way at all. A rich 60 year old Swedish CEO is going to want a 20 year old secretary to take “dictation” during lunch.
It isn’t fair, progressive or “equality” to abolish this.
But that is what feminism is all about (I may add, with some of the younguns swearing at me for being a “Grandpa” around here for dating college students at 50, feminists get a lot of help from younger men)
Sadly, much of the message to young women in Scandinavia is to date their own age. This attitude changes drastically as a man simply crosses the border to Russia or takes a ferry to Estonia, Latvia or Poland.
Guess where Scandinavian men sail to on weekends?
Now get this: The Cruise Lines have banned women 18-21 from the ferries if they are not accompanied by a parent! What kind of sick matriarchal society would effectively raise the age of consent (to travel) to 21?
The answer is that older Scandinavian women did not like the fact that businessmen were getting laid with beautiful Swedish college girls on the ferry from Helsinki to Stockholm or to Copenhagen because the party atmosphere on those ferries used to be excellent.
Sweden was the only country other than the USA to try to ban man from meeting Russian women online. At least the high court in Sweden recognized that this was unconstitutional and against men’s rights (the US judicial system still needs to say that about the IMBRA law which makes the USA the laughing stock of the world as far as men’s rights are concerned).
Sweden is the ONLY country in the world that has a national law making it criminal to say yes to a prostitute. They have Beta Boy Cops in Stockholm hotels who observe foreign businessmen as they talk to young Russian women at the hotel bar…waiting like insects to pounce if the foreigner says yes to the Russian woman’s sting setup of going to his room for money.
When I last saw a whore in a Swedish bar, I loudly said to the men in the room “If any of you is a cop trying to do a sting, then you are a castrated lackey of feminists and a disgrace to all real males”. The men there agreed. Maybe one lackey cop realized that night what he had become. Meanwhile, at least the men in the Finnish parliament rejected a similar “no pay for sex” law 2 years ago.
Swedish businessmen agree with me on this but say they can do nothing about this because women will rule the day in any real democracy (which is why the USA must never be allowed to be a democracy instead of a Constitutional Republic).
I get emails from Scandinavian women I’m friends with. I can see the region being saved when the alpha males bounce back and reclaim the culture, as needs to happen in the USA.
One thing Swedish men need to do is put the penis back on the lion in the coat of arms for the Armed Forces. That story, of the castration of the Swedish lion in the Swedish coat of arms, has been symbolic to the American men’s rights movement.
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If guys here don’t remember, about 2 years ago one or two womyn in the Swedish military said they felt “afraid” when they saw that the lion in the Army coat of arms had a penis. Male Swedish politicians, having already been castrated themselves, readily agreed to end 600 years of tradition and cut the lions dick off…making it necessary for everyone to get new equipment with the politically correct lion shamefully emblazoned on it.
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Jack,
You should realize that younger women of this day and age do not live with the same perceptions of marriage that their mothers had. We have seen how men tend to abandon their wives, so we do not place so much value on marriage. Thus, if a man leaves me, it will not be the end of my life. Plus, there are plenty of men around.
Couldn’t care what a rich Swedish CEO does in his private life, as he is outside the scope of men that interest me romantically. And even later on in life, there will be better things to do than worry about that.
I’m Latvian so I’m very well aware of the gender dynamics in Baltics as opposed to Scandinavia. Yes, the situation is different. But it is not as different as you might think. Most women in Latvia still date their own age range and they date for romantic, not material reasons. Besides it is safe to say that in the Baltics women are increasingly becoming the main breadwinner (or at least provide an indispensable income). It is good to hear that the ferries have put an age limit. Here in this region one our biggest problems is trafficking in women and the girls really need to be protected. I say this from my own experience, as I’ve been hit on by Western grandpas when I was as young as 17 (nobody would have protected me as I was travelling on my own). Anyway, it is great to have the easy traffic to Sweden (both ferry and air), as the men there are simply fantastic.
Scandinavia simply has a different perspective on women, they don’t tend to objectify women like they do in other countries. It would be terrible to lose that part of the identity. You should lay off of Scandinavia and concentrate on other parts of the world. Sweden has its laws because the Swedish population wants them and the respect for women comes from the Viking culture. Nordics are essentially democrats, not republicans, it stems from their ethnicity/culture. You should respect Swedish laws when you go there and keep your opinions to yourself. And look for prostitutes in Moscow, Las Vegas or somewhere in Asia.
I really hope that the Swedish men never change. They are fantastic and masculine. They are mellow, polite, well kempt, supportive, very good looking, easy to be around and, yes, masculine (as attested by their hockey players who are some of the best in the world).
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“As a woman, it is in your interest that men, in the spirit of being equal, date their own age because it drastically lowers your chance of being abandoned later in life. ”
No, it lowers the chance of having to be stuck with a granpa. Even though you are not obliged to stick around with anyone for ages if you don’t feel like it, here in this region women don’t cling to their men for the sake of it, as even in Latvia most women, in case of divorces, are the ones to leave first.
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Skadi,
You are using underhanded tricks that feminists always use:
1) Just because a man mentions that arresting men for saying yes to a prostitute doesn’t mean EVEN A LITTLE that the man doing the mentioning is likely to use a prostitute himself.
2) There is no human trafficking out of the Baltics to anywhere. That is a bold-faced lie.
3) Swedish alpha males are humiliated about the prostitution law, not because they feel the need to use one but because they know it is nothing about protecting women and everything about raising the artificual sexual market value of their prospective wives.
You just defended a Swedish law that Finnish and Danish men are RESISTING. You just said that adult women 18-21 should be told they can’t travel on ferries for their own good. You just said a 20 year old dates a 50 year old necessarily against her will. All this is insane.
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Here is what the Finnish Parliament did recently:
A) Feminists wanted a law saying that men should be arrested for paying for sex with “Trafficked Women”
B) Feminism defines all prostitutes as Trafficked Women.
C) Male Conservative Politicians in Finland decided to agree that it should be illegal to pay for sex with a trafficked person, provided the man knew she was being trafficked
D) The conservative politicians, at the last second, added a line that said “trafficked” means “against the person’s will”.
E) When it came to a vote the next day, the feminists were HORRIFIED to see that “trafficked” was defined as “against one’s will” and voted AGAINST the law.
F) The rest of the parliament voted for the law. Since then, a man and woman have been arrested for pimping out a mentally retarded woman, as they should have been. But no Finnish man can ever be arrested for paying for sex if he wants it. This is an option that neither Roissy nor any alpha male would want feminists to take away.
Womyn shouldn’t tell women what they can do with their bodies.
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Trafficking in women is a real problem, and a lot needs to be done in this area.
Just because you spoke to a few Swedish alpha males, does not mean that all males think the same in Sweden, even the alphas. Besides, alpha males are not the only ones residing in Sweden, there are other parties that essentially contribute to what Sweden is as a country and their opinion must be respected.
So what if they’re resisting that law? There must be a consensus in society. Laws cannot cater only to men. Besides, you are seeing this issue only from the xxx market perspective, there are other aspects to it. Again, the Baltic/Nordic ferries must remain comfortable for all passengers, parties with prostitutes should be held elsewhere, in designate places like Las Vegas or Thailand.
Well, a 21 should be able to travel on her own, but 18 year olds must be protected from old foreign predators, that’s for sure.
Didn’t say anything about a 20year old dating a 50 year old, if she’s curious or needs some extra cash.
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A Swedish or Latvian 20 year old has every right to get on a ferry to Helsinki or Stockholm and look to meet fascinating businessmen in the all-night bars. You sure as heck will see lots of 21-29 year old women doing that.
Women do not have the right to tell other woman what they can do with their bodies. Isn’t the key issue with feminists supposed to be about their right to abortion? Well, they can sell their bodes as well. Only social conservatives are about telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Feminists were for prostitution before they were against it.
Nobody needs to artificially lower the sexual market value of men who pass 40 the way menopause lowers it naturally for women. It is especially obnoxious to connect an older man dating a younger woman with “human trafficking”.
Also, nobody said that women who marry older men do not do so out of love, plus fascination over his storytelling of experiences and for the genes that may have made him better looking than in his 50s than most men in their 20s.
Divorce rates are highest where the culture pushes same-age marriage.
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Skadi – Wait a second. You are not Scandinavian but, instead, you are a rare Baltic (East European) feminist with dreams of moving to Sweden? And you think you know Sweden better than I do?
First of all, there is NO human trafficking at all out of the Baltics. None. What you mean is that women willingly leave like you want to do, to marry a Swedish man for instance.
You are saying that the women on the Baltic Sea Ferries are prosititutes? I never met a prostitute on a ferry! Now you are saying they are whores if they are 18 or 19?
What is really going on is you see these younger women as competitors. Now you are saying 18 year olds are children but 20 year olds are not?
You now call men “predators” if they are foreign? WTF? Or they become “predators” if over 40?
I thought we already agreed a month ago that the US IMBRA law was insane.
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No man is a predator if he games an 18 year old and she is not a prostitute for sleeping with him, no matter what his age. An 18 year old has every human right to travel on a ferry. But feminists do not believe in human rights. All their policies are to prevent younger competitors. Swedish women don’t want 18 year old Latvian women arriving on a ferry and taking their husbands away. They call that “trafficking” even though the Latvian women, like yourself, simply love Swedish men. The word trafficking is always used by older women who don’t like younger competition. Always. No exceptions.
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Also, because Swedish lesbians want their teen lovers, the age of consent in Sweden is 15. Swedish law only defines men (and lesbians) as “predators” who have sex with 14 year olds or under. Sweden has the lowest age of consent in the world. Obviously, alpha businessmen don’t say they would ever sleep with a 15 year old, but they do point out in discussions that American men are more feminized than they are because American men allow crazies to define predators as, for instance, someone who would talk to a 17 year old. Since I have already pointed out that Swedish men nullified their “mail order bride” law as unconstitutional and Finnish men codified into law that seeing a “free will” prostitute is legal, I would say that Scandinavian men are, in the balance, more alpha than American men.
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You have a very narrow understanding of feminism (I prefer gender equalist btw). You are too bent on this whole scoring, dating thing. Prostitutes are widely available in the Western world, what is your problem? Go out and get what you want, whatever age.
Don’t know a whole lot about these laws, but from personal experience, these flings when you’re 18yo can be really damaging to young women (I wish my mother or somebody would have stood behind and protected me).
Nah, trafficking is when economically vulnerable and inexperienced women are recruited and tricked by organised groups into prostitution. There are many who ended up abused. It is terrible how our women are sometimes treated.
I am just a Latvian romance tourist to Sweden. 🙂 I pay for my trips to Sweden just to be around those men.
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The gender issues in Scandinavia are just not blown out of proportion like they are in the States, there is a more down to earth attitude. There is intrinsic equality that stems from their culture. And, please, note that Swedish men are very very different. Older, really rich businessmen are only one very small group. Due to more gender equality, men’s situation is improved, note what I already said about divorce laws and children, in Scandinavia men actually have rights to their kids. It’s the two sides of the coin.
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How come you know so much about Swedish laws (esp., concerning age of consent, lesbians, prostitution)? What is it that draws you so much to this feminist infested, backward country?
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Skandi – If you are a East European woman looking to hook up with a Swedish man and maybe live in Sweden, then you have to know that Swedish feminists do not like you (if you are young and attractive).
You fit, in the minds of those whose ideology you’ve temporarily adopted, as the “economically vulnerable and inexperienced woman” they want to “save”.
Let’s just accept the idea that a “fling when you’re 17” can be “damaging’ (but you are going to the wrong country if you think so because the Swedish lesbians want their 15 year old girl lovers).
There is no need to try to push the envelope to say that 18 year olds need “protection” and lose status as adults. Unlike European men, we American men have already surrendered on the idea that 17 year olds are children.
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Money draws me to Sweden once per year. Plus, I like going to bars where smoking is not allowed.
Most of all, I like Sweden because young women there are desperate to find real alpha males because of all the wimps who accept “equality” there. I get along very well in Stockholm.
But once per year really doesn’t make it too much of my life. I could not live in such a society.
Swedish men readily discuss their anti-male laws and any American men’s rights advocate who isn’t noticing what is going on in Sweden, isn’t smart enough to be anticipating what new laws Americans are going to face.
Older rich men are supposed to control societies. In the end, they will again.
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Older rich men controlling societies has brought us to the global disaster that we are now facing.
I’m a rather typical Baltic female, with a slightly more progressive view on gender balance than most of my peers. But there are plenty of likeminded people not only in Norden, but also here in the Baltics.
Trafficking in women is when Eastern European women are forced into prostitution, it’s a crime. It is real.
Young Baltic and Skandi women travelling on ferries is entirely their business (hell, yea, I’ve done that all my life!), but the situation after EU accession has made these routes more prone to trafficking. It does not mean that the girls who look for rich guys are trafficked, you are piling everything together.
And certainly me visiting Sweden for men has nothing to do with either, as I do not seek out rich or older men in particular nor am I being forced against my will to do anything. You are piling everything together.
Please, please, please, stay out of Scandinavian mores and customs! Let’s each have our own system.
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Btw, many Swedish feminists are young and attractive, just like me. Why would they hate me, actually, I have great friendships with Skandi women. Besides I don’t go for the 40+ males, while in the below 30 year group there are more males than females and plenty to go around.
I agree about the older guy with better looks and genes, some of them are very, very nice and desirable, not many though. But in Scandinavia in particularly they tend to be very well preserved and well kempt even in an older age. Swedish women are really lucky.
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Why am I being moderated all of a sudden?
Don’t worry, Jack. America will never be like Sweden, these are two very different cultures. The recession could decrease the number of males (or datable males) in America, and that could in turn change the balance (but create other problems simultaneously), don’t worry about Sweden.
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Skandi – It is great that you are enthralled with a society you’ve already convinced yourself that you want to move to. That is perfect if you want to be only a short distance from mom and dad. Sweden is beautiful. But so is Switzerland and Latvia itself.
I just noted the ferry policy (made by the managers of the ferry companies not the governments) and you seemed to agree with what you believed to be a government policy about ferry ridership rights for 18-20 year olds.
It happens a lot on the Internet that I mention a law that does not exist and a feminist agrees with it…even though it would be totally outrageous for such a law to be made.
There is no trafficking on ferries out of the Baltics, but I will accept your agreement that a woman isn’t being trafficked if she is voluntarily going to Sweden to find romance with a Swedish guy of any age.
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I agree with you that both Sweden and Latvia are great, I’m just happy that Sweden is so close. It is a woman’s paradise.
Will check out the ferry policy.. haven’t looked at it lately.
The problem is that women who are being trafficked ARE NOT voluntarily going to Germany or where ever to find romance. That’s a completely different story.
Why was I censored for saying that many Skandi feminists are young and attractive, just like me.. hm, this site does not support free speech.
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Skandi – Long posts go into moderation. We will probably get notifications later in the day that looks like we are continuing the debate about Sweden.
Many men prefer risky societies where not every young male is financially capable of mating with a woman his own age. Financial crisis and war – yes, much of it is probably caused by really old rich men who don’t want to be left out of the social scene. 😉
That is an interesting theory.
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I am sure Swedish men greatly appreciate young, beautiful Latvian women like you visiting their country.
For them it is like being given a drink of water in the desert.
This shows, however, that there is no equalibrium in Sweden and why, a Swedish man will be traveling to Latvia on weekends for the same reason as you do the opposite.
Perhaps the Swedish men see that they can get a Latvian 9 where they can only get a Swedish 8 (indicating that something is internally wrong in Swedish culture or there are simply too many males in Sweden).
You are advertising Latvia to the men reading this. Whether a guy likes your posts or not or is Swedish or not, you will have been convincing him to visit Latvia.
If you do not see Swedish feminists condemning you for visiting, saying that you need to stay home and find a nice Latvian man, then this means Swedish feminists have matured and that is a good thing. I do like visiting Sweden.
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I was born and raised in Sweden but i live in Hungary now, my mom is hungarian, and i would say i prefer Budapest MUCH more then Stockholm, i was in Stockholm for 8 weeks now after 5 years the first time, Sweden has many benefits, its beautiful in the summers and living there is easy, you can do to the exact same thing day in and day out, if you find that amusing then Sweden is for you, especially if you are older, lets say around 30, people are friendly and open minded, but for me and why i don’t like to live there is all the rules have made it impossible to feel good there for me, i don’t like it. People are dull in their conversation and has a screening radar to find things that are against the rules, its worse then communism, i always have to bite my tongue not to say sth provocative that is written in the big rulebook of theirs. And the society is split, the criminality is increasing in sweden, there is a big gap between normal society and people that cannot fit in.
for me i like the russian lifestyle more where you let in everybody in your home, no matter what time of night it is or what problem they may have, i like a toast of cognac for the cold with friends over on a tuesday, there is more solidarity to people then for the government. I like the overly friendly atmosfear that embeds post soviet, people give you a helping hand when you need it. In sweden you also need to be packed into a box of proper morals, i think it has gone so far that people have just forgotten how to exist and know they are making rules and address peoples “rights” left right and center, even where it shouldnt. And not to mention to go out, its a harsh, boring and aggressive night scene, i don’t feel safe at all in Stockholm.
I don’t want to say this is exactly outstandingly terrible, because generally all countries have their problems, Hungary is corrupt as hell und so weiter, if you like to live the Swedish way not?, it is good, especially if you have kids, and who knows maybe i will also choose the easier way, but why does it hurt when i think of Sweden, i love it but also i don’t i always project a lot of good thoughts about Sweden when i haven’t been there, and when im there, i get bored.
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Jack,
In the censored post I said that I am friends with Swedish women, and that I do not threaten the couples in 40+ age group and that there are plenty of males in under 30yo group and that yes, there are some stunning older guys as well.
The older men appreciate me, of course, as I have received several marriage proposals.
I gotta say though, that most Swedes date in their own age group. What is refreshing to see that despite the high divorce rate (which is because women get fed up with marriage), there are many stable older couples, much more so than in Latvia. However, like I said, the younger women are much different than our mothers, we simply will not put up with that previous model where the woman gives her best years and resources to a man, just to be discarded (happens the other way around too quite often btw).
bikto,
To each his own – it is great that we can each choose our own country. Yes, the Swedish society operates through the Jantelagen, and even though some hated, it is necessary for a small population in a ruthless Northern climate. Also, the sparse population makes that “communalism” necessary to survive. It is more biological, than social or political (same with the gender thing). In the North people simply cannot live without each other, so they have to complement each other.
Of course, bikto, when you will require the security and benefits of a feminist society, in your own life, you will very likely run back to Sweden. What are the odds of finding a very rich guy in Hungary who will be able to support you so that you don’t have to work while raising kids? I bet such men are not that available in Hungary and the competition for their attention must be intense among females of all ages. When you will get older, biktopia, your chances with those men will decrease and you could end up running back to good old nanny Sweden.
The problems with crime in Sweden are due to immigration from third countries. Immigration needs to be controlled.
Don’t worry about Sweden, it will still prosper in the coming decades, esp., because people like me who appreciate that system and arrangement will always be willing to contribute to that society – not because of economic gain but because of the belief of justness and fairness and healthiness of that system. And maybe for the sake of those men too. 🙂
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Jack,
The current depression is almost like war. Women deal better with radical social changes as they are more flexible, men often break down. I’ve seen this with my own eyes during the collapse of the Soviet union. Recession will hurt massively hurt the males, their population will be damage, will shrink a bit (due to suicides, degradation, etc) and will change the sex ratio. But who knows. Heraclitus said you cannot step into the same river twice, so it remains to be seen how things will come out.
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Well, some men prefer risky societies but women don’t. Women want stability.
For Swedish men, they can take out their male energy, aggressiveness, spirit of competitiveness desire for risk taking through sports. Swedish men are not encouraged to be aggressive, but they seem to compensate this by fighting in hockey games, for instance. I’ve noticed that they are more ferocious and feisty among each other than our players. It must be where they take it out.
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Jack,
Btw, local men are appreciated too, not just Swedes.
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Again, I’m being censored, but:
bikto, to each his own, it’s good that we can chose our own country. Crime in Sweden is growing due to immigration from third countries. In the North communalism is necessary for survival.
bikto, when you will require the security and benefits of a feminist society, in your own life, you will very likely run back to Sweden. I bet the competition for rich guys who can support a woman is high in Hungary. When you will get older, biktopia, your chances with those men will decrease and you could end up running back to good old nanny Sweden.
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Crime is increasing due to bad integration of immigrants, there is a very malfunctioning immigration policy that has grown out of proportion in Sweden which is causing them a huge problem.
[editor: the malfunctioning immigration policy is the immigrants themselves. we’ll see how long it takes smart and progressive sweden to figure it out. not holding breath… ]
and for the rich guy topic
I don’t care about rich guy competition, guys have waved their money around me, but if they think they can catch me that way, they are way wrong. I rather eat canned corn in a good company then a fancy dinner with a sleezebag. Maybe you don’t understand these sort of things.
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Crime is increasing due to bad integration of immigrants
That’s one way of saying it.
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interesting are the studies of same clans (Lebanese) mirgating to Sweden and Canada. Too much of a nanny state (Sweden) had them integrate much less, and be more criminal.
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biktopia,
Crime is increasing because the critical mass of immigrants has been reached. Sweden is becoming a victim of its own humanism. That’s why I said above (several times) what should be done about immigration. Many Swedes are aware of this, but they cannot step over their kind hearts (they will have to break themselves).
I understand what you mean about guys and money, I’m just like that. Never took a single penny from a guy (which I now regret to an extent). But you already said yourself that Sweden is much better for having kids than Hungary. So in Eastern Europe you end up without a stable, affluent partner (most of the time cuz they’re scarce anyway) plus without significant mother’s benefits, so you’re basically end up with a naked ass. In Sweden you are protected as a woman, especially as a mother.
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the future national language of some host country
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Skadi, you talk too much. You have diarrhea of the mouth. You have a big ego, too. Females with big egos are not attractive to anyone.
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So, what? We should not take in foreigners in need? I don’t really share that thought,, but could well make the system better working to sort out the slum and criminals that is finding their way through the very open doors.
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Foreign women are definitely a notch above american women in terms of morals,kindness, character, & looks.
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