I recently cleaned out my George Costanza wallet of two year old receipts and this crumpled cocktail napkin fell out:
I don’t recall exactly but I think Roosh was with me when we had this napkin rendezvous with three girls sitting at the bar next to us. The cute female bartender I once biblically knew acted as our courier, ferrying the napkin between us and the girls. The exchange (including both sides of napkin) reads like this —
Me/Roosh: Do you like us? (check one) Yes [big box] No [small box] Maybe [small box]
Girls: What will you do for us? [box] Aruba [box] Dinner [box] It’s my b-day. Buy us shots. I have ID to prove it.
Me/Roosh: Turn over. [Huge box with checkmark already in it] Good conversation followed by tonguedown.
Girls: [Another box with checkmark in it] No thank you.
OK, here is your mission, should you choose to accept it. Put yourself in the above scene. The giggling bartender has just returned the napkin back to you and your buddy and you read “No thank you.” You look over and the girls are making haughty faces. Two of them look like they’re having fun, but one looks a little bitchy. The girls are attractive, although as with most kitten prides one shines brighter than the others.
What’s your next move?
Send back a note:
“So you’d like to skip the good conversation?”
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Chain the doors, burn the place to the ground.
Sit back with a tumbler of Talisker whisky – no ice – and gaze into the flames, enjoying the warmth and faint smell of pork wafting from the crackling mass of fire.
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Have the bartender bring the napkin back over to them and light it on fire. While they watch it burn, you appear behind them ninja style and throw down some mad game.
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That napkin routine is pretty good. In fact, it’s so good I’m gonna have to steal it. Yoink!
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Let’s start with the drinks then.
…and order them 2 waters.
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I like what Cauthon wrote above (, except I’d actually walk over there and say it, and without waiting for an answer go into a routine.
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Oh man, you have to take a picture of the other side, too.
By selecting “no, thank you,” the girls have ended the note-passing game – returning the napkin is not an option except with a “nuke the pussy from orbit” response. You have to approach because otherwise the napkin rejection seems like a real thing. Fortunately, the napkin was the opener in itself, so you’re already in. Just one guy should approach with a DHV story about the friend that ignores everything on the napkin (no “birthday” or “Aruba” comments) and an “I have to get back to my friend” excuse a la Mystery. Address them as a group so you don’t risk the surly one shutting things down quickly, but look for a way to engage her early on. Make it quick, then actually leave and go back to Roosh. After that, they’ll come over.
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I really think Cauthon hit it out of the park on that one, But I agree with DW that it should be said as you sidle up to the ladies.
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To answer the question i’d have to agree with the tack that some of the above posters are taking. I’d cross the out the ‘No’, walk over and ask the bitchy one if she’s ready for her tongue down.
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ah, kitten prides. great terminology. brush aside the haute couture, and tell her “you are young, i guess you can’t handle the tonguedown”
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The whole napkin thing throws me off. I can’t ever imagine doing it. I just approach.
But given the above scenario, I’d scrawl SCORE! on the napkin, crumple it up, and chuck it playfully at the bitchy looking girl while approaching. (Trying to land it in her cleavage, if exposed, might be funny. )
Then I’d talk to the less attractive of the two the girls having a good time and say “she’s the one who filled this out, isn’t she? Some girls just don’t like to have fun, I guess. Oh well, what can you do?”
Squeeze out the hotter “fun girl” yourself by turning your back slightly to her and have your wingman squeeze out or distract the bitch, while you chat it up with the less attractive one, who will be flattered that you wanted to talk to her instead of her hotter friend. This gets you in the group. When the hotter one tries to make herself heard, frustrate her with a few negs sparsed over a couple minutes before transitioning to her. Your wingman then moves in to hook up with the other fun girl (frustrated that you moved on to her friend) and the bitch is now lonely so may act less bitchy.
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Write back:
“On second thought, wipe your vajis area with this napkin and send back. If you smell of tuna, you buy us a drink. If not, we’ll buy you one.
p.s. no skid marks”
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I like Cauthon’s response too, but I would say it rather then send back another note.
I think the large ‘Yes’ box was a brilliant idea.
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I would ignore them for the moment and open another group preferably a mixed group. After someone else gets them liqoured up then reopen. The thing is in reality I would have picked aruba. They consider aruba to be an extreme request and dont take it seriously. If you picked dinner or drinks you lose! By picking aruba you could have kept the convo going alot longer and displayed all of your magnificent qualities! Picking aruba would have opened up some serious cocky/funny opportunities!
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That’s a tough one but it seems like it’s game over for the time being.
How about brushing them off, ignoring them completely, while approaching a completely different group of girls in the bar and showing them a good time, thus displaying what the previous group missed out on…
or I also like Cauthon’s response above too.
I’m curious to see how you guys ended up playing this in real life.
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Napkin game!
You killed my first suggestion to simply write “I love you,” though we did agree it would be an intriguing move.
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Approach the group within seconds of reading the note.
While I like the idea of ignoring the napkin exchange all together, I think there’s good stuff to work with here.
Say, “So who’s the birthday girl?” and when she chimes in, “ME ME ME” you request her ID which she volunteered as proof. Then tailor responses like so:
Hottest girl — Express shock at how young her ID says she is, as you figured her much older. Proceed to mock her photo, by saying she looks like some aging celebrity. Show it off to strangers.
Midranger — Say “Aruba, hmm? You’d have to be at least as cute as the last girl I took there, Natalee. I’m not sure.”
Backbencher — Confidently say “Alright, looks like we have a winner. Come with me,” and escort her over to the bar. In a divide and conquer strategy, Wingman swoops in to fill the void.
A general follow up is to say “We were amused by your response. Girls that ask for Aruba but settle for shots don’t like to waste time with lengthy negotiations.”
This should put them on a slight (anti-slut) defensive, which opens up all sorts of possibilities, ideally by making them prove their virtue by buying you shots.
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I was thinking it, but Cauthon beat me to the punch.
I am going to steal this routine, btw.
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it’s not fair you had rooshy with you. He’s hot – like “8-pack” hot.
Test: null
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Send back, “I understand you don’t want your friend to feel left out. My buddy is looking for his first threesome so which one of you gets my full attention?”
Three boxes:
[] Big Boobs
[] Tight vag
[] Horny one who needs to be brought to orgasm bad
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RTC is right.. forget the napkin after the “No thank you”. What’s up with the horrible napkin responses above?
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that drawing is great. it looks like a david shrigley.
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The napkin game is over at this point. You are also yet to prove yourself in action, so writing anything back would amount to beating a dead horse.
I would recommend opening strongly with a different group, if available, and in close proximity. Let them see you work and musk up the ‘gina tingle.
If you still care, I would follow with the point suggested above. Place the napkin down, and ask if they are suggesting that we skip the conversation and go stright for the tongue down. Neg the shit out of the bitchy one, and embarass her in front of her friends. Make her work the hardest once the other two game on.
This should do it.
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Buy one drink, preferably a long neck beer bottle, for all three of them and write on the napkin that they should start out by all 3 sharing the drink.
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New napkin:
“Backdoor Beauties?”
Make sure no knives are in the area.
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I really can’t come up with an answer on this test. I just want to say that anonymouses anonymous answer is funny as hell.
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Napkin game is sooooooo cute! I LOVE it! But I’m definitely not diggin’ the tonguedown part. Nope!
~smiles~
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RTC is spot on, I wish I had thought of it.
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“No biggie.
Who’s the birthday girl? Lemme guess….the one in the middle…you know how i know? Quite simply….”
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“No biggie.
Who’s the b-day girl? Lemme guess…the one on the right…you know why i think so? Quite simply….”
I like this response better…because, you can always claim their “right side” is your “left” or vice versa. In case the b-day girl is sitting to the left or right. You only lose if the girl is right in the middle. Even if you lose, they may still be intrigued enough to want to know why you guess that. Which leads to further rapport.
My two cents
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Roissy, how close is “sitting at the bar next to us”? the next seat over, a seat away?
a possible scenario would be to turn around to these girls and pretend it happened with another group of girls and say,
“hey check this out, we just had this exchange with these girls and they want us to go to Aruba with them…I’m a bit skeptical about this, i think they might take advantage of us, what do you think?”
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When I typed this,
“Then I’d talk to the less attractive of the two the girls having a good time and say “she’s the one who filled this out, isn’t she? Some girls just don’t like to have fun, I guess. Oh well, what can you do?””
I should have specified that with these quotes, you should talk to the fun girl and indicate the bitchy looking woman. The way I wrote it makes it seem like you are talking to your wing about the less attractive fun chick, but that’s not what I meant.
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The more I think about it, the one drink is a winner. One of them should start picking it up and drinking it. I imagine walking up to them and making sure they share it “properly”. There are all kinds of slight negs to insert into that playing one off the other. If one takes a sip say, “That’s right, get yours…but not too much…share…” as if she were your pet. It creates a competition mentality. You can then put the expiration on the napkin phase which is played out.
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RTC,
I have to disagree with walking over. That is a major DLV– you shifted position to meet them.
You have to find a way to continue the conservation without appearing needy/wanting to go on. And say some intriguing things that is currently on your person that will make them curious to come over. Never approach them.
If they are interested, they will find an excuse to come over and order more coffee or use the bathroom or whatever, that will put them in your path or closer to where you are sitting.
If they are upfront and close to the cashier, after a few back and forth flirting, you can go and buy something from the cashier, dont look at them, just a rich smirk on your face…they will be checking you out…after you’ve finished buying what you are buying…put things in your pocket and let a dollar “mistakenly” fall out of your pocket(the game plan being, they will break the vocal barrier by alerting you to your dollar on the ground)…you then run with this.
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i don’t like how the exchange went actually.. after they sent back ‘what will you do for us’, i would have drawn a line through that question and put a massive check mark in your own ‘yes’ box in the original question. i think by accepting their reframe it went to a null place
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You are lucky you weren’t in some bottle service club with black napkins.
– MPM
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Did you forget about this “A Test of Your Game”?
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/a-test-of-your-game-8/
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Continuing with the three-set at this point is counterproductive. “No thank you” was a major IOD and a shit-test. An indicator of interest from you at this point puts you in a supplicating position. And any further attention you give them — positive or “negative” — constitutes an IOI.
Upon receiving the “No thank you,” do a casual back-turn, as if the women have suddenly bored you with their banal response; they may be pretty, but their lack of wit makes them unattractive. Move away from your current position casually and strike up conversation with any other set, not looking back at the three-set. Of course, it’s important not to look glum or hurt or angry — just uninterested in the “No thank you” girls and looking to bring the party (you) to people who are more adventurous and fun.
The girls may not pursue you with a confrontation or proximity IOI (I do not know D.C. girls, who sound like horrible creatures), but I’m guessing they probably will — you’ve already been far more interesting than any other dudes there, no doubt, and a takeaway will help them to realize their loss. When/if further contact does happen, cut the napkin thread immediately, as if it didn’t happen, and game as usual.
But do keep the napkin in your pocket and slip it into your target’s purse, so she will discover it later and think about you — and how she almost lost you.
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how come whenever i summon you, you arrive? david shrively notwithstanding
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The napkin game is done – perhaps wandering over and saying that you really just don’t fall into bed with girls that can’t carry on a conversation.
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The tonguedown bit was risky–good to set a sexual tone early, but prone to trigger anti-slut defense.
The key is not to be ruffled by the rejection or seem like you put any weight on it. Fact is they haven’t rejected me, they’ve accepted my opener. I’d go over immediately upon reading it and say:
“Which one of you wrote this?” Then when I’d found the culprit, I’d say “Ok, you are definitely not the fun one. We like your friend here better” [kino friend, maybe a side hug]. “But you know, at least you are fiesty, you might not be all bad…what’s your name?” All of this would be kept light and playful, smiles, etc.
If the answer to “who wrote this?” is “We all did”, then I’d answer “Oh, you guys are a team, huh? I like that. I’m [name], [introductions], how do all know each other, etc.” Again the important thing is to flow naturally, not putting weight on the napkin thing by insisting on coming back to it.
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pull out the glock. Point at the ugly one’s head. Fire a warning shot. Demand a drink.
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My reply
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Shots and a late-nite snack is the best you can hope for.
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If you actually had the value, you wouldn’t be left blogging about how to mimic high value indicators. HV pussy doesn’t suck dick because of a napkin routine. All you are doing is signally that you lack experience.
All Roissy’s blowjobless hookups are a barometer of where he ranks. When a chick is gulping your cock with reckless abandon for as long as it takes, this is attraction.
The confidence of a been there/done that mindset changes the game. I’m talking rough face fucking, deepthroat (For you introverted bookworms, every woman can deepthroat). The sooner you betas get this message, the sooner you can let go of your lifelong quest for THE magic bullet and begin the actual real world work required to gain experience.
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Can we talk about something besides picking up chicks? It’s getting old.
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It wasnt a reframe for them to ask a question back. By writing anything on the napkin they were in roissy’s frame. In order for them to reframe they would have had to take the napkin out of the equation. If they are using the napkin they are in your frame. If they wanted to shut you out they wouldnt write anything on the napkin at all they would just ignore you. In there mind they were thinking yay we got some suckers on the line for free drinks. You had to answer there question at that point cuz if you ignore there question then they know your not buying drinks and they can easily use that as an excuse not to talk to you. By answering aruba they would have smiled noticing that you didnt go for the drinks bait and they would have countered with something.
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Damnit I don’t have time to wade through a whole bunch of anonymous conceptual guesswork. I want to know what happened to particular people at a particular time in a particular situation. It’s the paleoconservative theorist in me. But anyway Roissy just tell us what’s up.
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@Laura
OK – let’s talk about sticking something ‘up your bottom’.
Why are you here??
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P.A.D.
Thanks for the link on the previous post, I’ll check it out.
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Cute. The first comment was the best, but I think the “tonguedown” follow-up screwed the pooch by turning a good jokey approach too sexual too quickly. Women are usually put off by comments that are basically crude from strangers, even if they’re funny. the shots/birthday response was basically an invitation to join the group. You might have walked over after the 1st side of the napkin and moved things along in a more conventional way. If they were hot enough.
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Return the napkin, “we like the enthusiasm… ! conversate better in the morning anyway..
3rd girl.. Name/ number:________
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Hm… as a fun thought exercise let me guess…
Sounds like the reference to tonguing instigated some ASD anti-sl-t defense b*tch shields? Time to totally switch frames to something else? These girls dont’ sound drunk, in which case talking about tonguing and even more graphic stuff is fine.
So the guys commenting about even more blatant s*xual references will probably just make that ASD reaction even stronger, and continue to buy into that frame.
Some sort of palm reading/magic trick/chick crak move to distract from the ASD and b*tch shield might help… with a focus on social proof.
R&R already have the place on semi-lockdown with the bartender, time to amp that proof up? Probably talk to others for a while, have fun, make it like these girls missed out on getting “in” with the owner like VK does. Eventually cross paths with the girls again….
About negging now… I’m curious how a neg to a group of haughty b*tches who just shot guys down midway in the interaction would work. I thought negs are more to keep things even between two people, not for recovery from an ASD or rejection. (A neg after being rejected sounds like *bitter beta alert, bitter beta alert*).
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I think Cauthon had the best response, although it might be better just to walk up and say it to them rather than make the bartender keep passing notes.
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“Let’s talk about ducks.”
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Flashman wins for the Fear & Loathing reference. Dr. Gonzo invented napkin game.
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At this point, I’d go for round 2 with the waitress. Tell her the other girls are no fun. The waitress appears to be on friendly terms already.
As for the 3-set… you have to approach. The napkin game is done as far as I can tell. Of course, since Roissy did not post a picture of the back side, he may have come up with something (getting a little meta there).
Approach, one of the friendly ones is having her b-day. Guess which one it is, get her ID, ask passerby if it looks fake to them. Tell her she looks 20 at the oldest, and ask if her mom knows she’s out using a fake ID. Then transfer attention to the non-bday fun girl, negging the bday girl while your wing occupies Grumpy.
The non-bday pretty girl will be jealous and hateful of her best friend, like all women, and grateful for the attention.
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Is that what passes for conversation in your frilly little head? Your emotional reaction of like or dislike?
Now you know why your sex is not engaged in much other than emotion – not worth having adult conversations with.
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A way to DHV at this point might be to make it seem like these girls just shut down a perfectly fun napkin game… What boring loserettes! Not sure how DHVing or negging would come up, maybe later when paths cross again or after a reframe… A neg about them not being fun enough to keep up a light hearted napkin game and turn it into a princessy thing could be good?
By the way napkin story reminds me of this post from Dating a Banker Anonymous – where the girls buy guys at the other table ice cream sundaes as a flirt move during Sundance. http://www.dabagirls.com/2009/02/02/sundance-fundance/
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Fold the napkin into a paper rose then light it on fire in a beer glass.
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Anonymouses Anonymous,
You went from having a totally asinine first response to actually having a clever idea.
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Dramatically mime like you’re devastated, then smirk. In whatever margin is left on the note, quickly scribble three stick figures representing the girls. Draw speech bubbles over each one with what you “imagine” they must be saying to each other. The speech bubbles should make the bitchy one look bitchy and all of them look slightly dumb. (Without being too rude–you want to look teasing and unconcerned yourself, not upset.) Pass it back to the cute bartender, then start chatting up someone else like you’ve completely forgotten them.
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In Norman Mailer’s novel, “Harlot’s Ghost”, Mailer described (through a character) a pre-WW2 German nightclub in Berlin that had little telephones on each table. The tables had little numnbers on them that apparently corresponded with their positions on the floorplan rationally enough that a person across a room could correctly predict your table’s number from their seating postion. The club was famous in that one could “call” another table and inquire very discretely if the party there would like some company.
There apparently was a cabaret-like stage up front where various entertainments were provided (Im guessing gussied-up strippers, cross-dressers, various animal acts, monkeys&organ grinders, etc).
Don’t know if that place only existed in Mailer’s imagination, but he seemed to write as if it were historical.
I thought about that while reading Roissy’s post. In a way, sending over a little cocktail-napkin note relieves the female of her (one hears them complain, but I think its bogus) “imposition” of a strange man (or two) violating her physical space and walking over to her group and attempting conversation. It also relieves the man of the “walk of shame” back to his seat at the bar if he is rebuffed.
Thats the central conundrum young males face when attempting to meet young females in bar/club environments: she’s eyefucking or psudeo-eyefucking men who are out of her league and recieving some feedback, so when a comprable 7 male attempts to meet a comprable 7 female, she is dissapointed because she has been openly visually assessed by male 8’s,9’s, and even a 10 during the evening and has recieved their grins, winks, and even gotten to talk to a few of them. When a 7 of her own equal appearance walks over, its so easy for her at that time to casually dismiss him********************
**************** 10 years down the line, males can summon up from memory the chicks they should have talked to, should have asked for her phone number, %% “why did I pump-n-dump that one—because she was pretty cute and really did seem sweet”, etc.
WYMYN on the other hand, never seem to contemplate all of the decent looking fellows who tried to introduce themselves and offered to buy them a drink that they casually dismissed, or even turned it on and openly made little ugly faces towards-replete with little lip-spit-hissing noises for their bitchy friends’ exquisite sadistic delight, that might have actually been very nice husbands in suburban houses and good dads by then. They just lament the same old standard, “where are all the good men”, “its men’s fault”, etc.
Taking this logic further……………………….A guy like Roosh who valiantly came up with an strategy to end cock-blocking, might have been doing women the biggest favor of all. Getting rid of that bitchy cockblocking cuntBFF could be the best thing many young women could do in their lives, and only go bar-hopping with happy, positive girls who are optimistic instead. Their offers for dates would spiral upwards.
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Much as I like Cauthon’s suggestion to send the napkin back with “So you’d like to skip the good conversation?” for it’s humor, it takes the play too far and obliterates the golden opportunity the kittens have just handed us. “No thank you” is a very playable response.
We knew these girls weren’t going to fill in that big “Yes” checkbox, unless they were desperate or skanky. The purpose of this first note was not to get them to agree to have sex with us, it was as a conversation starter. The fact that they took it to the next step with a clever and well thought out response shows interest.
Likewise, when we then wrote back with “Good conversation followed by tonguedown,” we knew they weren’t going to respond with, “Oooo yes! Me first! Me first!!!” So amongst the responses we could realistically hope for, I’d say “No thank you” is near the top of the list. They didn’t really mean “no” when they wrote that, they were just continuing to play the game.
So I would read the note, then set it on the bar. Basically give it no response at all. I wouldn’t wad it up and throw it away, I wouldn’t appear angry or disappointed (even in jest,) and I wouldn’t nod at them with a “Touche! Nicely played” look. As little response as possible. Let them wonder. Perhaps I’m taking them at their word and no means no. Or perhaps I’m bored with the game. Or perhaps I’m thinking of a response . . . but I kinda forgot about it because they’re not that cute. I’d carry on happy conversation as normal with Roosh. I would *not* make any extra efforts to pick up other women, by the way.
The girls are already invested in this little game and are apparently having fun with this (two of them, anyway,) so they’re going to want *some* response from us. By not giving one to them, they’re left to wonder why we’re not playing anymore. “Golly, the last thing we wrote was ‘No thank you.‘ You don’t think they took that seriously, do you?” That’s going to bug them.
So as the evening continues and they look over every so often at these two cute guys . . . oh wait . . . I forgot this is Roissy and Roosh we’re talking about here . . . okay, so they look over every so often at these two guys who they’re already somewhat invested in, eventually one of them is going to have to come over and set the record straight, because that’s what girls do. Or at least take another shot at getting those birthday drinks.
I’d give that a little time to work. If it doesn’t, then I’m not opposed to actually going over to them, but only as I’m on my way back from the pool table or whatever. I’d probably open with “So who’s the birthday girl?”
[editor: riff dog gets it.]
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The problem with “napkin game” is that the temptation to indulge in scorched-earth mind-fucking can sometimes be so overwhelming that the goal of pussy closing can be lost along the way.
Dr. Gonzo did indeed invent a form of napkin game but true students of his Holy Writ (Fear & Loathing in LV)) will recall that the end-point achieved was not a moment of sexual joy but the gratuitous annihililation of a young womans peace of mind – more or less for the fuck of it.
See, when the likelihood of success in a frame-set is very low, like here, and you are a little wasted already, and you know they are gonna read whatever you write on that napkin, it is hard not to pull the grenade pin out and toss it.
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Oh. I thought the girls originally wrote, “Do you like us?” Check one.
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my only experience with napkin game was opening a girl who got one making fun of the sender, like WTF, what does it say? oh how cute…
Sorry 🙂
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that said, not bad overall and yes, Riff Dogg is right, its still IOI’s… But really the frame that it’s not ok to talk to whoever you please and so you need some inventive way to break the ice just doesn’t sit well with me. Maybe I have no class =)
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Why are people still offering suggestions? Jake nailed the correct answer in the second comment. Roissy, close the com box.
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LSB,
You’re not totally clueless. Quite impressive.
I generally don’t think women should post here but if you can actually say something intelligence then it’s ok.
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Fun post! I think quite highly of Riff Dog’s game. But it’s a bar, and if the girls are attractive, they’ll get approached soon and might forget all about us. I understand we are men with options, but it might be time to go for the kill instead.
Would it be a good idea to just proceed with ‘we’re breaking up with you guys’ routine – hopefully they’ll respond and you go verbal from there onwards.
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Drag roosh over by the ear and make him apologize. Then return to where you were as if nothing happened. Do not even look over at them again. When curiosity gets the best of them and they eventually come over and ask what that was all about, tell them you are roosh’s best bro and you wanted to stop him before he violated his parole.
They are now yours for the taking.
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why even bother hitting on them after your napkin scenario doesn’t play out?
They had their chance, I would hit on someone else in the place and if the napkin girl/s approach me, good. If not, then that’s their problem.
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Riff Dog’s examination of the various motives during the hypothesized interaction is a throrough one (and ejoyable, insightful one to boot).
My “point” in my own comment was that the napkin “game” kinda lessens the “social proof risk” that Roissy/Roosh had to run to open this 3-group at the bar. If rebuffed, any other women seated nearby wouldn’t have seen the shoot-down.
Thats the upside to meeting women on the internet at various sites. If a young man gets turned down, his social proof isn’t hurt with the oodles of other females out there.
If a man gets shot down at a club, often times many other females within the vicinity note it, and it lowers his own status in their eyes—often for the most unfair of reasons, feminine jealousy competition**
**feminine jealousy competition- A female “7” at a club who sees a rival (rival in her mind anyway) female “9” turn down a nice-looking male “8”, will also turn down that same male 8 just a couple of minutes later because she will be damned if she lets that female 9 across the bar that she absolutely despises with feminine jealousy see her accept a few minutes conversation with a man thats “not good enough” for the 9. If men only knew just how big women’s fangs are……………….a poodle is usually more viscious than a kindly St. Bernard or Great Dane, just smaller.
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Write back – “Ok – I guess my buddy and I will just get busy with the tongue down.” Then, when they look up, start making out with Roosh.
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Next move? Leave the fucking bar.
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Remember: cockteasers _always_ negotiate the terms before the deed (which usually is hinted at but does not happen).
Those bitches just want freebies, at your expense. Also, there’s always one cockblocker in any group of women. I am making a smart guess that the bitchy looking one is that cockblocker. They will flake after you have bought them stuff.
Response: Walk away from the bar, but on the way out, give a playful yank at one girl’s hair, pull and release the elastic bra strap of another, then rub the hair of the third one furiously such that it stands up from the static electricity generated. They had fun cockteasing, now its time to have yours. Bid them good night.
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Talk to them. What the hell else is there to do.
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@Laura
“Can we talk about something besides picking up chicks? It’s getting old.”
Are you this negative in real life?
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@z
Yes there are bars like this, in the ’70s there was a ice cream parlor/bar like this in Louisville, in a back corner of a shopping mall, the phones and the antique switch were all of that vintage, rescued from a warehouse. It was quite popular for about 7 years.
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I would go over and piss on her, to mark her as mine.
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Pretending I’m a dude of course I’d:
Grab another napkin –
Draw three girls and then label them and put a check box beside each drawing.
Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella
Princess Fiona (ugly chick in Shrek)
I’d then ask them to check off which box they were.
Give the napkin to the unhappy, arrogant girl – but just before you do check off Fiona for her. Tell her you know she’s ugly on the outside but guess she’s pretty underneath. The other girls will crack up. She will then fight to qualify herself to you.
Just sayin’
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Remember: cockteasers _always_ negotiate the terms before the deed (which usually is hinted at but does not happen).
Those bitches just want freebies, at your expense. Also, there’s always one cockblocker in any group of women. I am making a smart guess that the bitchy looking one is that cockblocker. They will flake after you have bought them stuff.
I think mgtow gets it.
My experience in the trenches — particularly amongst “hip” “scene girls” whom I have fucked — suggests to me that some of these female snakes relish the opportunity to TOOL a guy who is shooting out of his league. It’s part of their entertainment for the evening.
(Not to suggest this is what happened in Roissy’s particular instance)
The best you can do in these situations is stay fast on your feet, whipsmart, and cool under the collar and then exiting gracefully. Any attempts to assert your presumed alpha authority become joke fodder to these types of chicks.
It’s always such a fine line to walk — knowing when to hold ’em and when to fold ’em.
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I should clarify by saying my analysis only applies to world-weary bar chicks who are on the cutting edge of their jaded interpersonal world. You know, those who have “seen it all”.
A girl in a small town doing the exact same thing may well be playing Coy Game — in which case pushing forward and calling her bluff is warranted.
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MEAT BONE MEAT BONE MEAT MEAT MEAT BONE
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Cannon – good point.
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You’ve proven yourself to be interesting, they have yet to do so. If you’re still wanting to continue engaging them I’d send a message that will not only have to reframe the set, but also disarm the bitchy cockblocking third wheel. At the same time, it can’t put them on the defensive.
A few ideas come to mind
“Your birthday present is here, come get it.”
-the ‘present’ of course is your presence or some interesting story you’ve conjured up. The birthday girl is of course going to want to come over, and the other chick having a decent time may come over as backup, while the unhappy chick will likely stay back and hold their spot (thinking that her friends will be right back). This at least separates them. If this does work out, and how awesome would that be, you can then send a second napkin to the lonely bitchy girl to come over or something. Also, you can request an ID check when she does come over, which can lead to all sorts of cold reading – seriously, Barnum statements ftw here. (note: it might help to say “your birthday present is here, come get it. pick one of your friends to help you carry it back.”)
I personally prefer to get the girls to make the approach on this one – i want to know if they’re invested in this or not before I try to spend any more time on them at this point, but if you think you can or want to approach, I’d send a message just before you make the approach (which is a must at this point if you don’t do the option, so use one last napkin message to your advantage). Something to the effect of, “ready for an unexpected turn of events?”
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i know right? it’s like, the duality of man
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Hey Tupac
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Buy them a drink. Then, send the napkin back over:
“Drinks are on us, for the birthday girl! 40 only comes once!”
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Write on napkin:
“Okay, I’ll settle for a blowjob”
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my favourite is Roosh’s “I love you” as it’s playful and the result could be fun… but after reading riff dog’s, that one totally makes the most sense.
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Breeze,
It was a dumb thing to say considering that’s what this blog is mostly about.
I don’t know if Roissy does these (what would you do in this scenario?) contests often, but I think it was a lot of fun.
Riff Dog definitely nailed it with his answer. I’m pretty sure those girls would have approached you on their own after that.
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Even if the girls didn’t approach, they would most likely been open to further conversation. Too many of the people on here took their, “No thank you” comment as an outright rebuff, which it clearly wasn’t. Their body language would have been a dead give away. It sounds like they were just being coy and flirtatious as girls are taught to be and these girls were actually pretty good at it.
Riff Dog had the emotional intelligence to understand that, hence the superiority of his response. He also knew not to over play his hand.
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Riff Dog has the emotional intelligence, not had.
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i like the roosh response. pop culture witnessed a trump to that this week on “the office” when dwight, befuddled at jim’s positive response on sales calls to a fatherly reference, declared to angela:
“bear my child”
she blinks, and says, “OK”
it’s the same answer that she gave to andy bernard after a marriage request, after a few extra awkward seconds
“will you mary my beta-ass?”
“…. ok!”
yeee-hawwww
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Catullus invented the napkin game, but Dr. Gonzo was following a fine teacher.
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Time to approach. By sending the napkin back — with ANY message — they’re continuing the flirtation. But they’ve documented their refusal of the tonguedown and thus maintained plausible deniability. They’ve also shut down the napkin routine. You’ve gotten them thinking you’re witty, but now they’ve called your bluff and they want to see if you can man up and speak to them directly.
Drop the tongue bath. You’ve signalled your intentions and they haven’t left. You’re in if you don’t fuck up. Any furhter allusions to cunnilingus will come off the same as hyterical giggling. Try to act like you’ve seen a pussy before and stop talking about it.
Go change the subject. Sidle up and ask them, which one of you alkies was demanding free drinks? Tell them you’ll buy one of them and only one of them a drink. When they choose, ask them why. Any answer they give you should give you plenty of convo openers.
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God, these comment threads are always horrific.
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Biomechanics is GOD!!!
New research suggests news of impending large-scale unemployment results in fewer males being born.
“Specifically, their research supports the argument that when women receive signals that times are tough, their bodies retain the tendency, shaped over thousands of years through natural selection, to reject offspring less likely to survive.
To our ancient ancestors, those signs would presumably be signals of impending drought or other natural disaster, which would indicate a coming food scarcity. Catalano and colleagues concluded the closest thing we have today is the announcement of mass layoffs at major employers, which impacts “the degree to which the larger population perceives a threat to its economic security.””
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riff dog: textbook alpha.
jake: natural alpha with asshole game.
The latter cannot be taught.
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Reframe, Escalate. The Napkin has reached it’s limit and you need to shatter any notion of their power on the situation.
You buy one shot. Walk over to the group. Ask to see the birthday girls ID. Examine it, raise you eyebrows as if you are surprised – but do not comment. Set the shot on the bar and tell the birthday girl she must first close her eyes and make a wish for her birthday. When she does kiss her. Devilish grin. Walk away.
On your way back find the cutest viable pair in the bar and open: “you wouldn’t believe what we just did”.
You just took back the game, created mad tension and left the door open.
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@Laura
“Breeze,
It was a dumb thing to say considering that’s what this blog is mostly about. ”
It sure was but I forgive you.
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Summon the chick bartender, and while glancing mischievously over at the girls, whisper in her ear to prepare *one* colorfully tempting apple cranberry martini or some other trendy vagina beverage over in front of the 3-set.
As she is preparing it, approach with your wing and the napkin. Place the napkin on the bar counter, sunny-side up with the yes/no/maybe boxes showing. Motion to the bartendress to place the drink on the napkin.
With your best relaxed confidence, declare: “We’re going to play a game. The winner of the game gets this mega-tini. I’m _____ and this is _____ [your wing]. It’s his birthday today.
Which of you is the most talented?”
If there’s any level of tingle and rapport built from the initial napkin sequence, the girls who are genuinely attracted will play right into whatever bullshit game you spontaneously create. Pit them against each other and tease them mercilessly. Make sure there is a definite winner and loser, and reward the winner with the drink and the loser with the napkin. Ideally the loser is the bitchy one. Check the “it’s my friend’s birthday box” and tell her she has to buy everyone shots.
From this point forward it’s your call how to escalate the seduction. You should be aware at this point how much tingle has been generated by the interaction.
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Really 100 posts analyzing a napkin? Even if the answer is not to care, you all failed. We’d learn more if you just told us what happened.
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have the bartender pin the napkin to the wall above the bar, like a trophy.
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[…] Roissy’s recent post about a fun napkin game he did with some strangers reminded me of an old post on Dating a Banker Anonymous (DABA), about a group of guys and a group of girls successfully hooking up (in the hanging out sense). […]
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sounds like a boring bunch …and you left us at a bit of a dead point
… and personally i dont like haughty faces – turnoff …
but if you wanted to get things going again ignore the no thankyou … check the id … buy a birthday shot and go from there
i dont normally buy drinks but a birthday night is a good occasion to be generous, let go a bit and have a good time…
if its not really her birthday get as many people as possible to make fun of that free drink attempt until they bail … own the bar
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How about an orgy?
So, Who gives the best bj?
You guys haven’t seen our penises. 🙂
We will let you see us in our birthday suit. :~)
Birthday suits = Shots on Us.
Let’s get out of here for champagne, at my palace.
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“Give the napkin to the unhappy, arrogant girl – but just before you do check off Fiona for her. Tell her you know she’s ugly on the outside but guess she’s pretty underneath. The other girls will crack up. She will then fight to qualify herself to you.”
Wow. That’s so bitchy and bitter and effeminate, in a negative way. Would make a guy look as bad as possible in all dimensions.
Plus, the junior-high do-you-like-me boxes are a cute cultural in-joke among SWPL types, but a guy has used up all his masculine cred on that initial act. A dude can’t go throwing Disney references on top of that.
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“particularly amongst “hip” “scene girls” whom I have fucked — suggests to me that some of these female snakes relish the opportunity to TOOL a guy who is shooting out of his league.”
You’re trying too hard in this sentence. They tooled you and didn’t fuck you.
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Doing nothing was best. However in a busy bar with a lot of action, “do nothing game” may cost you. Send an incomprehensible squiggle back. Have them wonder about this for a bit. Then approach them as they are furiously wording and answer and tell them that this was a jackson pollock attempt that you have gifted them for their “right answer” Ignore their last answer completely. They laugh, you tease and you then segue into more face to face game, make sure the ugly bitch is mollified.
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thats some terrible game there
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One of you guys should start crying loudly and storm out of the room. The other should approach the girls and say “now look what you’ve done!” in and high-pitched about-to-cry voice.
That’ll show them. Girls say they love sensitive men.
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@Keith -“Wow. That’s so bitchy and bitter and effeminate, in a negative way. Would make a guy look as bad as possible in all dimensions.”
Keithey Beathey I forgot you had no sense of the haha – thanks for reminding me.
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Come up with a name for each of them, then write:
Freckles:
[ ] Shaved
[ ] Shaped
[ ] Natural
Queen Guinnevere:
[ ] Cotton
[ ] Lace
[ ] Nothing
Apple Bottom:
[ ] Hold me tight
[ ] Hold me down
[ ] This is a holdup
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(Tell the bartender to say answers are required to ensure proper pairing off.)
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lol@sense of the haha
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The Jungian thing, sir.
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walk up and say so i guess a blowjob is out of the question. then find out which one is the birthday girl and say what is wrong with you? what kind of girl turns down the opportunity to pash a handsome stud like this (point to friend stitting down) on her birthday?
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Crush the napkin into a ball, and offer it to them with a big disarming grin – telling them that it is an origami peace offering you hand made. The grin is warm, superior and the attitude is one of magnanimous alphaness and pacifying a sulky child. The way you do this is key. If done wrongly it will smell of supplication. It also communicates you are a lovable asshole rather than just an asshole and stops this from becoming a pissing contest. They let you know you’ve gone overboard but were happy to play along and so are still in the game. Proceed to talk to them all with a glint in your eye, wind down the cockiness as they warm to you.
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While Riff described a great “hold and wait” attitude, another important factor would be what the odds were of other interesting sets entering the room within a given time frame and when the music would get turned up too loud to talk, especially to 3 women at the same time. I rarely go to bars but, when I do, I prefer to go early before the music gets loud and so some friends can be made without a large audience. Loud music, darkness and a large crowd watching each other almost always favors women and disadvantages men, so an intellectual guy with a lot to say (and who, for instance, knows Aruba well) will want the ability for all 3 women to hear what he is saying without his having to yell (yelling hurts status).
In short, the timing of when the venue dynamics might change would have been a huge factor here.
So, after giving 7 or 8 minutes of the hold and wait, one guy approaches casually on the way back from somewhere and says (possibly after the birthday question opener) something like “OK, Aruba it is. But we can only take two out of three.” and “I wanted to write something rated G like Back Rub but my buddy over there is evil. I can’t take him anywhere”.
Back Rub probably would not have caused a “No, Thank You” in the first place and a more positive response to that would have allowed the men to approach directly (continuing with the napkins would have gotten beta quickly).
Another factor was that the bartender was in a position to vouch for the men or verbally deliver something like “it seems they are discussing the merits of possibly taking two of you to Aruba”. There are many ways to play such gambits. Having the respect of the bartender is big.
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A tougher gambit to discuss is what to do when you’ve number closed with someone in one set but you see someone nearby whom you would really like to meet in another set and the first set is not going anywhere anytime soon. Add to this that the second woman in the new set immediately sets out to cblock furiously all within view of the first set. There are solutions and it would be great to feedback from those who have pulled this kind of stuff off.
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Just walk over there and start talking. Engage the girl that is not having fun (she will probably engage you), and buy her a drink (only her). While you wait, impress the group. When the drink gets there say you gotta get your friend or invite all people, including your friend, to a table to have fun.
They will like the way you roll, and they will roll with you.
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The note passing game is a playful fun game that entices girls if the guys are at least somewhat attractive and have some appeal as fun guys.
Great idea to implement from time to time in the right time and place.
My bet is most guys would give up when the reply becomes No thank you…and I like the replies okay let’s skip the conversation…though the girls would either find it funny or think it is perverted. It is a hit or miss.
ROFL @ the guy that said burn the note. That made me laugh.
Very ballsy to say followed by tongue down…odds are best to quit note playing game at this point go over to the table and say something sly like, you’ll have to forgive us we’re British. Then sit down with them and begin talking to them and see if they are enjoying it. Exit with bounce to new location or number close/invite later in evening.
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Probably would have had a laugh and then would have turned around and sat somewhere else in the bar.
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This is terrible game. What are you in fucking middle school?
Highest status alphas wont resort to this.
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