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I’m In The Weekly Standard

March 6, 2010 by CH

There’s an article called “The New Dating Game” in the Weekly Standard which mentions this blog. It’s written by Charlotte Allen and it is pretty good. But I do want to issue a couple points of correction.

Allen writes:

CH’s deliberately outrageous posts are a source of controversy. In a write-up on George Sodini, the man who shot up a gym near Pittsburgh last August, killing 3 women before turning the gun on himself, CH contended that Sodini, whose diary revealed that he had not had sex for 20 years before the incident, was simply a frustrated beta barred access to women by the sexual/feminist revolution and that “anything was justified” to avoid the “walking death” of celibacy. In other words, Sodini was a hapless victim of the sexual revolution.

In that infamous and widely misconstrued post (2,255 comments), what I actually wrote was:

When men kill women, the underlying reason is almost always an unfulfilled psychosexual need. This goes for spree shooters, rapists, and serial killers. I’m not surprised Sodini hadn’t had sex in nearly 20 years. As I’ve written before, to some men on the losing side of the desireability bell curve celibacy is walking death and anything is justified in avoiding that miserable fate.

I don’t personally argue that “anything is justified” to avoid the miserable fate of involuntary celibacy. I argue that some men who are losers in the mating race will be likelier to find any justification for acting out violently. I didn’t think this was a subtle distinction when I wrote the Sodini post, but judging by the storm of flapping vaj lips from the feministing crowd in response I should not have underestimated the deliberate deceit in which that post would be read.

Allen also writes:

CH himself, although arguably the most jaded of all the seduction bloggers, is actually a closet moralist who longs for the more constrained past when women dressed modestly (“Girlfriend or Fling?” is all about the kind of clothing and bearing that mark a girl as a “pump-and-dump”), refrained from swearing like sailors, stayed out of men’s beds (except his!), and generally conducted themselves like wife-and-mother material (although he says he has no intention of getting married himself).

While I argue that a sexual revolution instituted by a female-alpha male axis of ardor will ultimately result in the implosion of a secular modern society, I don’t long for a return to an era of chaste women holding out for marriage. I may describe reality as it is, and what it takes to prevent a first world nation from consuming itself, but I wouldn’t sacrifice my poolside pleasure to help the far-thinking forces of propriety reclaim a moral society that put a lid on loose pussy.

Postscript: I was asked via email by Allen to do an interview, but I had decided against it. I figure whatever I have to say about blood, sugar, sex, magik I’ll say here. Although Allen’s article turned out to be reasonable (the exception to the rule when dealing with journalists covering the topic of sex relations), most reporters will twist an interviewee’s quotes out of context according to their ideological whim or emotional vendetta. Whatever ethical strictures used to govern journalism have long since faded away in a miasma of rank partisanship and propagandistic hackery.

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  1. on March 6, 2010 at 7:33 pm joel

    You were right to avoid the interview.

    Keep under the radar.

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  2. on March 6, 2010 at 7:48 pm Jimmy

    Did you just find out about this? That’s how I found your site a few weeks ago.

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  3. on March 6, 2010 at 7:57 pm Callahan

    “miasma of rank partisanship and propagandistic hackery.”

    At 56 I’m past the whole scene you comment on. I have become an avid reader because of writing like the above. Brilliant.

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  4. on March 6, 2010 at 8:02 pm JLaw45

    I dunno about you guys but I quite liked the article myself. It seemed somewhat fair and balanced.

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  5. on March 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm Markku

    Whatever ethical strictures used to govern journalism have long since faded away in a miasma of rank partisanship and propagandistic hackery.

    I’m not so sure journalists ever had much of a professional ethic but dishonest or sloppy journalism is more easily caught these days because of the Internet. Eliezer Yudkowsky once remarked that journalists tend to follow the nearest-chiche algorithm where everything and anything is shoehorned into the nearest cliche even when they have no malicious intent.

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  6. on March 6, 2010 at 8:13 pm el chief

    Elsewhere, Leah McLaren of The Globe and Fail admits that feminism is pretty much retarded:

    “Maybe teen mums are on to something”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/style/maybe-teen-mums-are-on-to-something-im-just-saying/article1491171/

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  7. on March 6, 2010 at 8:24 pm Rake

    I’m glad you finally commented on that article. While I think you were probably right to avoid the interview, it would have been fun to read.

    Also, I’m curious if you have contacted Charlotte Allen about her misinterpretation of your Sodini post.

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  8. on March 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm Another Alpha

    I think Ms Allen has proven herself with the article. You should speak to her about an interview now. Just say that at the time she first approached you, you assumed she would be like those other female “journalists,”… I think you know how this unfolds.

    AA

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  9. on March 6, 2010 at 8:45 pm Passing through

    This censorious review of the Allen piece acquires some modicum of interest in light of the fact that the apparent partner of its author was mentioned in a post several months earlier by the “single anonymous blogger who fancies himself a master of seduction.”

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  10. on March 6, 2010 at 8:50 pm novaseeker

    Allen is a well-known anti-feminist yet she is conservative, and women like that are generally hard to predict in terms of what they will write based on what you say.

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  11. on March 6, 2010 at 8:53 pm Reader

    Allen has written other articles before AA. So Roissy knew what to expect.

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  12. on March 6, 2010 at 8:54 pm Jesus

    to call Roissy a closet moralist is funny. it shows clearly how these people can’t read, or wont read sufficiently. him explaining sounds lesser alpha, if not almost beta — which is beta. but I concede; he is dealing with an angry crowd. I too would want to get away quickly from such a mob. and clean.

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  13. on March 6, 2010 at 8:55 pm Mountain Dew

    “Allen is a well-known anti-feminist yet she is conservative”

    So conservatives are generally pro-feminists?

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  14. on March 6, 2010 at 8:56 pm joel

    The article was fair, but was it real scholarship? Or just filler?

    As as beta, I guess I tend to see things from the point of view of a beta.

    Life isn’t fair, and I think the only thing that betas have a right to resent is the unrelenting stream of lies they were raised on. They start with physical and mental disadvantages, and have no idea at first what these mean for their relationships with women. But, they are completely lied to about the nature of women from the time they start school. Almost everything they are told is a lie throughout life.

    I guess if betas wise up, the game is up, because it is the betas who keep everything working, so, they must be kept in the dark. If you notice, our society is essentially a transfer of wealth from men to women. Men create the wealth, then give it to the women. Betas play an important role in that activity. Since they get little or nothing in return, betas are pure profit for the ladies.

    I find it funny that some men resent buying a drink for a woman in a bar. At least she might flash some cleavage. Think about the real transfers of wealth, eg. health care, pensions, welfare, single mothers, alimony and child support. When you do your taxes, you begin to understand this. I work about 4 1/2 months per year to pay my taxes, and that doesn’t count sales or gasoline taxes. That is a real income transfer.

    By the time a beta wises up, he may already have gone through hell, maybe even a bad divorce, coupled with financial ruin. Blaming himself all the way.

    There is no hope from the women. They think with their pussys around alphas and with their purses around
    betas.

    The unyielding opposition of women to legalizing prostitution and to mandating paternity testing speaks volumes.

    There is hope coming from the men. It is obvious that men are catching on. Blogs like this help. I see this in my personal life, poor men are just opting out of the system, and college educated guys are being careful who they marry, if they marry.

    So, keep this blog going!!! Betas need to learn the truth. And some moves.

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  15. on March 6, 2010 at 9:25 pm culdcept

    I also agree that an interview probably would have been a bad idea. The article was written without twisting your words too bad as reporters will always do.

    Just from following this blog for a while, I know the article had nothing to do with wanting publicity and I commend you for that. Without integrity, even a true alpha is nothing.

    No matter how much publicity game in general gets, there will always be plenty of betas around. I have no idea about statistics, but I am sure a good portion of the people reading this stuff never act on what they read or think.

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  16. on March 6, 2010 at 9:57 pm unfrozencaveman

    I thought her article was fantastic.

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  17. on March 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm Julian

    Cover story of my local rag on Girl Game. Check it Roissy.

    http://www.sfweekly.com/2010-03-03/news/girl-game/

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  18. on March 6, 2010 at 10:22 pm gl0wskull

    Good job on dodging the interview. People always want clarification on the type of lifestyle guys here live.

    They want to argue semantics. They do all of this with automatic bias and emotional investment.

    You can’t reach these people. They are too far gone.

    Who cares about educating the weak? I personally find it poetic to be the enlightened scavenger in crumbling world of marriage, divorce and betas 🙂

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  19. on March 6, 2010 at 10:31 pm LBK

    “So conservatives are generally pro-feminists?”

    In many cases so-called conservatives are the unwitting accomplices of feminists. Often they actually team up with feminists to pass bad legislation.

    Look at all the anti-male laws that have wrecked this society: divorce laws, child custody, child support, alimony, domestic violence laws, etc. Those were passed primarily by male legislators, many of whom call themselves conservative. Usually they say they are defending traditional family values or helping children or protecting women from bad men. This is idiotic white-knighting which plays into the hands of the radical feminists.

    The hard-core radical feminists are relatively few in number and would not be a significant political force if it were not for the stupid white knights who come to their aid. White knights are the enablers of feminism.

    In the battle for men’s rights, conservatives may be an even bigger obstacle than the leftists.

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  20. on March 6, 2010 at 10:39 pm G

    The article was decent enough, but I’m glad Roissy got around to correcting her misunderstandings. My biggest complaint about the article was that it seemed to miss entirely the fact that, once society no longer enforces the marriage bond, there’s no reason for men to get married. She doesn’t consider how lopsided divorce laws are, which makes me wonder if she really read Devlin, who she quotes (and also misunderstands).

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  21. on March 6, 2010 at 11:06 pm Willy Wonka

    Good job, bro. You obviously doing something right… they mentioned you a lot in that article.

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  22. on March 6, 2010 at 11:11 pm Loon_Jobbie

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gena-grish/the-nice-guy-fact-or-figm_b_482944.html

    Lefty feminist mess at huff-po wants to kick her “bad boy” addiction…girls are girls are girls

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  23. on March 6, 2010 at 11:42 pm Loon_Jobbie

    Reading between the lines of the above, it is obvious that she has been recently mistreated by some “delicious” jerks. So she then actively sought out a Beta-beanbag “nice guy” to pull shit on and make herself feel better…Beta-Beanbag may have shown some shitty traits at the get-go, but I have to give him total respect for busting her chops when she began getting out of pocket, and then crossing the finish line by stealing her money and sticking her with the bill!

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  24. on March 7, 2010 at 12:59 am Ardesio

    Bravo, Roissy, for resisting the temptation to aggrandize yourself by means of an interview with a conventional media outlet. So far in your career I don’t think you’ve put a foot wrong.

    As for an interview with that journalist, why don’t you just ask her to do it right here in this blog? She can email you a list of questions and you can answer them right here. Then she can publish whatever she likes.

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  25. on March 7, 2010 at 1:22 am monkeys

    Smart to dodge the interview. Only reason to own a media outlet is to mis-inform. Only reason to interview is to mis-quote.

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  26. on March 7, 2010 at 1:45 am GayButtox

    Roissy,

    One more correction to make : Allen said that you made fun of Conor Friedersdorf’s name rather than address his rebuttal.

    You did not. You correctly nominated him as Beta of the Month.

    My advice : Politely decline the interview for now, but keep in touch and possibly do an interview a couple of years from now, depending on what the climate is then.

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  27. on March 7, 2010 at 2:33 am Clubber Lang

    Good bullet to dodge Roissy, interviews never pan out the way you think they will.

    What ever happened to your Roissyview take on movie scenes, haven’t seen one in a while.

    I was checking out Marlon Brando’s first screen test and was wondering whether he made the passage from Omega to Alpha.

    Omega

    Beta

    Alpha

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  28. on March 7, 2010 at 3:18 am calvinwallace

    The world would be a better place if women put out more. More sex = happier people.

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  29. on March 7, 2010 at 4:47 am Cam

    Sailer:

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/02/weekly-standards-cover-story-new-dating.html

    Also, Roissy can you try and tell guys to stop throwing in .5’s to their out of 10 ratings. Surely 10 points is enough?

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  30. on March 7, 2010 at 5:01 am i beta

    To Loon_Jobbie re Gina Grish:

    I didn’t see indicators of a nice guy in Grish’s description of “Mr. Nice Guy”. She needs to learn how to define and identify a nice guy before dating one. But I guess that reinforces the message of this blog: even when a girl consciously decides to aim for a nice guy, they still choose otherwise.

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  31. on March 7, 2010 at 5:28 am Paul

    This huff-post article is pure comedy gold.

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  32. on March 7, 2010 at 6:34 am Anonymous

    Agree on the HuffPo article, laffs! Get declared a “nice guy” on a date by a HuffPo Femi-Nazi… she might as well have gone “Eunuch? Haha, I like eunuchs!” (Instant insult/emasculation, baby! Not quite as bad as the “surprise” in The Crying Game, but still Aiigghh! material.) I’d’ve bailed and engaged in masculine chestbeating to regain manhood, too.

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  33. on March 7, 2010 at 7:06 am novaseeker

    So conservatives are generally pro-feminists?

    Many are, yes. Look at the “conservative” female politicians — Hutchinson, Palin, etc. Feminists and conservative. Conservatives are not immune to feminism in the least.

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  34. on March 7, 2010 at 7:19 am Bardesio

    Bravo, Roissy, for resisting the temptation to aggrandize yourself by means of an interview with a conventional media outlet. So far in your career I don’t think you’ve put a foot wrong.

    As for an interview with that journalist, why don’t you just ask her to do it right here in this blog? She can email you a list of questions and you can answer them right here. Then she can publish whatever she likes.

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  35. on March 7, 2010 at 8:01 am Jay

    2,256 comments. :-O

    Alpha male journalist: Christopher Hitchens.
    That dude just effortlessly exudes cool.

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  36. on March 7, 2010 at 8:26 am Bardesio

    I should have added, bravo for resisting the tempt to aggrandize yourself by submitting to a (somewhat high-profile) interview *that you know will be twisted to suit the journalist’s employer’s purposes.

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  37. on March 7, 2010 at 8:29 am Bardesio

    And what happened to my original post? You keep saying you’re going to turn this into a proper forum a la BBS, Roissy, and abandon this inferior wordpress software crap. Shit or get off the pot.

    I suggested asking the Weekly Standard interviewer to do the interview right here in your forum, she can ask her questions, you give your answers, then she can publish whatever lies she wants. Everyone’s a winner.

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  38. on March 7, 2010 at 8:30 am Bardesio

    what’s this ‘awaiting moderation’ bullshit??? It’s really starting to FUCKING PISS ME OFF!!!!!!!

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  39. on March 7, 2010 at 8:41 am Beer Monkey

    Palin wants the government to monitor your uterus, and hired lobbyists to secure $27 million in pork for a tiny town. Hardly conservative to me.

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  40. on March 7, 2010 at 8:56 am joel

    Reading that Huff post letter just drives the point home. Many women have ridiculous attitudes. (I say many because her sister wrote a book on women just like her.) She likely has spent her nubile life rejecting with prejudice any guy who would be fit for a husband/LTR, and then wonders why all she ends up with are assholes. Isn’t that what Max Tucker told that young woman who was so eager to screw him? You get what you sow.

    In the bad old days, since she wouldn’t have had a good job, she would have married some beta by now just for the financial support. Betas should thank God such woman are self supporting these days. Imagine what she would do to a beta husband. Not a pretty thought.

    BTW, what about that guy made her think he was a nice guy. He just dripped PUA from his first e-mail. Some girls really are dumb. That’s a difference between men and women. Dumb guys seem to know they are dumb. Dumb girls get a degree in psychology and think they are smart.

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  41. on March 7, 2010 at 8:56 am Kevin Robinson

    Palin is thought of as conservative only because she is as inbred, white bread, redneck and chicken shit as the legions of other pseudo-conservative morons in the United States. Voters, at least those type of voters, prefer people like themselves. Which does not bode well for any of us.

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  42. on March 7, 2010 at 9:02 am gig

    the article was by and large fair. But I agree that the interview should be avoided. Talk about sex with a female journalist in recklessness at its most

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  43. on March 7, 2010 at 9:08 am Passing through

    “An upper-crust Long Island housewife accused of hiring a hit man to off her hubby lamented she could only afford to maim him — but then was thrilled to learn she could whack him at a bargain-basement price of just $20,000, authorities said yesterday.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wife_got_cheap_hit_e4N44gsg5gaxvCKupqDadL#ixzz0hV2xqWyZ

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  44. on March 7, 2010 at 9:11 am GdI

    Wise of you to blow off the article, old boy; no good ever comes from talking to journos. As they say in the MOSSAD: “May we read about you in the newspapers!”

    The TWS piece was about as fair a treatment one can get from the MSM (and TWS is pretty mainstream neocon, with a small but influential readership). You’re an outlaw, and must be in our gynocracy. Respectability does not become you. Given that, Ms Allen did ok by you, though the piece was a bit of a mishmash, ultimately. I’m sure it helped your blog stats.

    The pseudo-Right is a bit friendly to our ‘movement,’ since they are willing, sort of, to call out the Left for all the feminist BS it’s dumped on the culture for the last half-century. But have no illusion, most of the “Right” is even more dangerous, with their “cultural conservatism” which is really just an effort to shame men into buying into said corrupt, man-hating gynocracy. The Left’s policies are leading to complete cultural (and political, and economic) collapse, which ought to be welcomed at this point.

    We have no reason to defend this system, and certainly ought not waste any effort to “conserve” anything about it.

    The new “alternative right” offers possiblities (see Mr Spencer’s new blog, NB) but too early to tell; its reality-based take on gender, race, HBD, etc, is promising but time will show truth, as it ever does.

    For now, (almost) nothing but enemies, to the right and the left.

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  45. on March 7, 2010 at 9:31 am Cannon's Canon

    yeah, bardamu has called you “seriously disturbed” or some such faggotry, that’s why i don’t fuck with him. he is still sucking on that big black OBSIDIAN dong of approval.

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  46. on March 7, 2010 at 9:32 am Elwood P. Dowd

    Funny, I thought the Grish piece was kind of amusing and the Allen article a tedious, overlong shaggy-dog story that didn’t say anything I didn’t already know, and haven’t already read, even in mainstream stuff from Christina Hoff Sommers to, hell, Susan Faludi. Who both said it better, at least descriptively.

    I mean, did about half of the Allen piece have to be about Tucker Max bonking some super-skank golddigger? Wow, stop the presses, now there’s something original. I suppose she had to go on and on like that since, for whatever reason, all she does is mention women earning good money nowadays, marrying later, blah, blah, blah, but never actually gets around to saying what she thinks should be done, if anything. Its not even clear to me she thinks female promiscuity deserves any sort of formal or informal censure, as it used to have.

    I’m also wondering about that “New Paleolithic” label she slapped on current sexual practices, in two important ways. First, if by that term she means a hunter/gatherer or herding society. I have a sense that women in such societies actually enjoyed more freedom than those who lived in settled communities. (e.g. the Germanic tribes vs. the Roman empire at its peak, though perhaps my memory has failed me here.) Second:

    Welcome to the New Paleolithic, where tens of thousands of years of human mating practices have swirled into oblivion like shampoo down the shower drain and Cro-Magnons once again drag women by the hair into their caves—and the women love every minute of it.

    No men are “dragging” women anywhere these days, or at any rate getting any kind of implicit or explicit approval for doing it, at least in the First World. Quite the reverse. Probably an attempt at humor, I suppose, but let a man say something like that and he’ll have his gazebos put through the ringer, especially if you append something like “love every minute of it” at the end.

    And as to the Grish piece, its certainly not a piece of writing for the ages, but at least she has some vague sense that her expectations are utterly screwed up, and that she can even laugh a bit at herself. As in, she’s at least as likely to wind up “a crazy single dog lady” as anything else, though that “Net yet” being hope springing eternal and all that.

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  47. on March 7, 2010 at 9:47 am Laura

    I thought the article was good, but some people thought it was too long and all over the place. It was probably better that you didn’t agree to the interview. Say whatever you have to say here.

    What you said about George Sodini was perfectly legitimate in my opinion and I think most people would have no problem with it. You certainly didn’t justify his committing murder. I personally know some men that have similar frustrations with women.

    Although I would never criticize anyone who waited until marriage to have sex (it’s romantic, in fact), I think in this day and age with birth control and people getting married older it is entirely unrealistic. I don’t even think there would necessarily be some huge benefit to society if everyone started waiting for marriage.
    Even so, I’ve noticed in my life that higher quality women tend to not sleep around and reserve sex for relationships with men who treat them well. When you have sex with a man you sort of feel a bit like he got the better of you, therefore it’s important that he also cares for you and respects you. Sex is just better with someone who loves you (at least for the girl), even if the relationship doesn’t last for a lifetime. Most nice girls realize this or figure it out eventually.

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  48. on March 7, 2010 at 9:55 am Cannon's Canon

    this thread needs more manliness

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  49. on March 7, 2010 at 10:00 am dana

    more manly than 100 rap videos

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  50. on March 7, 2010 at 10:10 am Cannon's Canon

    what is that, limp bizcuit? lymp bizzzkuyt?

    i’ll take my manliness hat-tips from men, if you please. not your ipod sampler cardio playlist. (but i love you for it!)

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  51. on March 7, 2010 at 10:19 am Cannon's Canon

    see, if my game was tight, i would have said “(but i appreciate you having one)”

    that’s why i’m here: to reflect on my mistakes. live and learn

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  52. on March 7, 2010 at 10:21 am dana

    bitches love me cuz they know that i can fuckkkkkkk

    it’s PIKACHU goddamnit!

    all shall kneel before his manliness

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  53. on March 7, 2010 at 11:09 am Juice Terry

    It is an EXCELLENT article.

    I have been sharing it with everyone over the past few weeks as it is one of the best articles on the subject I have ever read !
    Vast and comprehensive in it’s scope, it covers modern dating, female sexuality, promiscuity, hooking up culture, the end of marriage, human biology, evolutionary psychology, Game, etc –
    It’s all here, in a very well written feature in a main stream publication.

    The fact that the writer cites a myriad of differing and conflicting sources and synthesises a complicated aspect of humanity into one compelling, coherent and lucid piece is surprising.

    The fact that it is published in a neo-conservative magazine and is written by a female is even all the more impressive.

    It is very refreshing from the gibbering ignorant garbage that is lazily vomited onto the pages of liberal broadsheets when they are doing a piece about dating or game, as you can literally hearing an axe being grinded as you read an outburst of condescending hysteria explode off the pages. Such pieces that you usually read are invariably written to ingratiate the writer to the readership and certainly not to challenge lazily held beliefs which stem from the relentless onslaught of political correctness which permeates through our Western culture, stifling all debate and intelligent discourse about human sexuality.

    Not with this superb piece though…………………….horray for those neo-conservatives !! I never thought I would utter those words, oh well, there you go. Another boundary crossed.

    Incidentally, Roissy your blog is not only FAR superior to any “Game” related blog on the internet but it is the best of *any* blog out there at the moment.

    Your writing is nothing short of superlative. Mordantly witty, caustic, biting, acerbic,breaker of taboos and slaughterer of societies sacred cows you may well be but crucially your blog is frequently hilarious and always informative.

    I have read a plethora of awfully written blogs, ebooks and forums posts from illiterate hucksters and charlatans in the community,who are usually peddling a grossly overpriced product if you can look past their garbled syntax, turgid prose and man-child ramblings but yours though is uniquely bereft of any of these crimes.

    From now on I will be directing anyone who wants to understand Game, to get better with women and to lead a more contented sex life towards your blog instead as it is *that* good.

    You could make a FORTUNE if you released your blog archive as a book as would be vastly superior to the excreta that is on offer from the community at the moment.

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  54. on March 7, 2010 at 11:20 am Shawn

    Roissy,

    My dream has always been to deflower a maiden.

    But it will never come true, I am sure. Since it is too late for me. I dread that I will never find an attractive virgin, 18+, who will allow me to have my way (although 16 is the age of consent in my state).

    But what is a guy to do if he is now 28 and has never taken a girl’s virginity? I lost mine at 19, so when I was younger I missed the magical window of 13-18, which is when attractive girls rupture their taco.

    My biggest life regret, in summary, is not learning game at an earlier age, since I always wanted to be the one to break in fresh moist plumbing. So sad.

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  55. on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 am Cannon's Canon

    Shawn,

    you shouldn’t profess your defeat; you will actualize it.

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  56. on March 7, 2010 at 12:23 pm Racer X

    Miss Charlotte Allen in that article said, “(Purported photos of Roissy circulating on the Internet show a tall unshaven man in his late 30s with piercing blue eyes and good, if somewhat dissolute, looks.) The pseudonym Roissy derives from the chateau that was the setting for sadomasochistic orgies in The Story of O, the French pornographic classic of the 1960s which featured a beautiful young woman who couldn’t get enough of being violated and flagellated by masterful men.”

    Clearly she wants you to fuck her Roissy. And she is intrigued by the whole sadomasochistic orgy thing too. I bet she fantasizes about it when she uses her vibrator at night. And if not, at least she now has had the idea of sadomasochistic orgies now implanted in her mind, which she might explore if given the right handling. I especially like her talk about “being violated and flagellated by masterful men.” I would happily provide that service for her.

    We need to get a photo of her to see how hot she is. But I bet she loves to fuck.

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  57. on March 7, 2010 at 12:51 pm Shawn

    Cannon’s Canon,

    If a man learns game AFTER high school, the chances of being able to take away a girl’s innocence are depressingly small. Again, my biggest regret in high school, and one of my biggest life regrets in general, stems from be not deflowering a girl. So depressing.

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  58. on March 7, 2010 at 1:00 pm D. Ray Morton

    “We need to get a photo of her to see how hot she is.”

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  59. on March 7, 2010 at 1:02 pm gig

    now that roissy is in the weekly standard he could indicate whiskey for a job there

    that’s a guy who knows how to establish a direct link between Mistery/ Style and the need to immediately bomb Iran before the ayatollahs come knocking on my door to oppress me

    neocon-central couldn’t use a better guy

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  60. on March 7, 2010 at 1:05 pm Cannon's Canon

    d. ray morton,

    fuck you for committing crime to my visual sense. you just eye-raped me. i label you a “molestor”, a chiiiiiiiild molester!

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  61. on March 7, 2010 at 1:08 pm D. Ray Morton

    “Incidentally, Roissy your blog is not only FAR superior to any “Game” related blog on the internet but it is the best of *any* blog out there at the moment.”

    …not to mention any of the current pickup guru marketing geeks’ latest “$297” breakthrough systems…

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  62. on March 7, 2010 at 1:13 pm gig

    @ Ray Morton

    another reason to avoid the interview. How could you seriously discuss sex with an old female

    Charlote: So Roissy, you think age affects the sexual market value of women?
    Roissy: Oh yes, it pretty much falls to zero given a high enough age
    Charlotte: DOes it mean I have zero SMV?
    Roissy: Sad, but true

    [editor: funnily enough, you might have a better shot at having a truthful conversation about sex with an older woman than with a young woman.]

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  63. on March 7, 2010 at 1:23 pm Cannon's Canon

    gig is an economist, a “serious conservative thinker”

    no homo

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  64. on March 7, 2010 at 1:28 pm Tyrone

    On the subject of being a closet moralist:

    A friend of mine who knows Roissy pretty well and has been referred too more than once in Roissy’s writings here, agreed with me when I stated that although Roissy is a consumate cynic and is dancing on the detritus of Western decay, deep down he dreams of being a hero in the Homeric sense of the word, a la Hector. How else could a self admitted aesthete ever see the world otherwise?

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  65. on March 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm Cannon's Canon

    shawn,

    i’m not sure what your angle is. i have a cousin who, after college, had banged more virgins than i had banged girls altogether (like, double-digits too!).

    but, i fell off the wagon sometime in my mid-twenties. that i got back on the wagon of bangin bitches! – well, he’s the question, and the point of my rant:

    am i better-prepared to bang a girl today than i was four years ago?

    of course, yes. so go bang a virgin since it gets you off with your psychosexual dominance theme. i’d much rather bang dana than a virgin. more opportune to my hedonism

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  66. on March 7, 2010 at 1:39 pm Cinco Jotas

    Alpha male journalist: Christopher Hitchens.
    That dude just effortlessly exudes cool.

    Except for that whole youthful rump rangering….

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255852/So-WERE-Tory-ministers-gay-flings-Christopher-Hitchens-Oxford.html

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  67. on March 7, 2010 at 1:39 pm notaroissyite

    Laura said: “Even so, I’ve noticed in my life that higher quality women tend to not sleep around and reserve sex for relationships with men who treat them well.”

    Define higher quality.

    Some hints: “makes a lot of dough” does not equal higher quality. Neither does having four advanced degrees in Psych, Anthro, Communications, and Business. No man cares. Own your own business? Boring.

    More hints: likes to cook, and does it well equals higher quality. Gives great head with enthusiasm = quality. Lively and fun but knows when to turn it off? High quality.

    A woman’s slatiness and her true higher qualities (see second list) are independent variables.

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  68. on March 7, 2010 at 2:50 pm maurice

    The article was pretty good and fair to the community, even if it missed some points and details here and there. I still think the nod to the whole LR story was unnecessary and gratuitous. So it was probably a good idea not to take the interview. I actually wonder how much the blog hit-count has gone up since then…? I do see some new names on the comment board.

    Weekly Standard is a niche Washington publication, not really MSM – an organ of the neocon political right which is reliably hostile to all the -isms of the 60s, including feminism. The only thing that saves it from devolving into the older and curmudgeonlier “National Review”, several generations older, is its cheeky sense of humor and satire. Which means it’s actually fun to look at once in a while.

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  69. on March 7, 2010 at 3:09 pm z

    ” most reporters will twist an interviewee’s quotes out of context according to their ideological whim or emotional vendetta. Whatever ethical strictures used to govern journalism have long since faded away in a miasma of rank partisanship and propagandistic hackery.”

    True this.

    Im coming around to the notion that women working = sub-replacement fertility.

    Iranian birthrate 1.7 (at one time, it might be back up a bit)
    S. Korean birthrate 1.15
    Japanese birthrate 1.2
    Taiwanese birthrate 1.0 (world’s second lowest)
    Brazillian birthrate was down to 1.88 children per female in 2007
    Uraguay birthrate 1.92
    Chilean birthrate 1.92

    These are countries that really don’t have much Western-style feminism. I think Singapore had the lowest birthrate, but its crowded there (as is Japan and S.Korea, so other factors are at work).

    Simply put, when women can work and have their own apartment/condo/house, for multiple synergistic reasons, fertility falls. They are adults however, and probably will be having sex, either with a vibrator or some man. Game allows the average Joe a chance at being that “some man”.-

    —————————————————————————-
    Social Conservatives really aren’t doing men any favors at all right now. They wont even get on board the notion of reforming no-fault divorce laws or custody arrangements. Thomas Fleming, whom I generally like, had an article at Chronicles stating as much. It was a dissapointment. Even for someone outside the church, seeing a one man legally wronged is seeing every man legally wronged. Wrongs are supposed to be legally rectified in this nation, or I was learning the wrong thing back in grade school.

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  70. on March 7, 2010 at 3:11 pm NRWO

    “The only thing that saves it from devolving into the older and curmudgeonlier “National Review”, several generations older, is its cheeky sense of humor and satire. Which means it’s actually fun to look at once in a while.”

    NR has a few columnists with a cheeky sense of humor and satire, John Derbyshire being one of them. (His Derb radio broadcasts are hilarious.)

    The Derb has been fighting the good fight for some time, and would, I believe, be an honorary member of this blog.

    He’s an HBD paleoconservative who married a good looking Asian woman; has a cheeky sense of humor (“You can never have enough nukes”); and has clearly been off the NR reservation on important occasions (e.g., intelligent design vs. evolution).

    Besides, his “I hate Chelsea (Clinton)” article is a high art: “Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored.”

    http://old.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire021501.shtml

    Don’t mess with the ‘Derb.

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  71. on March 7, 2010 at 3:46 pm john

    That pic of Christopher Hitchens with a girl reporter,she is one hot babe! I bet he had a fun youth. The 60’s etc. But he is quite grotesque now. Im sure the booze has destroyed whatever remained of his libido. Schoolboys can rest easy!

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  72. on March 7, 2010 at 4:17 pm Laura

    Notaroissyite,

    What I’m saying is sexual modesty and sexual restraint are central to a woman’s character, much more so than for a man. I went through a brief period in my life when I was a party girl and somewhat promiscuous, which I regret deeply. In my opinion, I am the kind of girl a man marries, not the one he uses and discards or won’t have anything to do with in the first place if he’s smart.

    It is amazing how much more men respect you when you don’t drink too much, don’t talk trashy and don’t put out. You don’t even really have to be that spectacular at anything (sports, school, career) to earn it either.

    As far as the college degrees and the job, I don’t know if I would necessarily count those things against a woman, but I personally believe there are huge advantages to a woman staying home to raise her children. It makes for a nice family life. I was raised by a working mother (out of necessity for a period of time) and she has told me that her biggest regret in life was going back to work too quickly, when her children were still young. She wishes she had spent more time with us.

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  73. on March 7, 2010 at 5:18 pm tico

    Shawn,
    I was in your shoes. Got lucky at 30. Met a girl who was virgin at 24.
    Tico

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  74. on March 7, 2010 at 5:46 pm Laura

    When I said above that I thought no sex until marriage is unrealistic, I realize that plenty of people still do just that and I think it is a good thing. I just meant that society’s sexual values have changed quite a bit in the last 50 years and it might be hard to completely go back to the way it was before.

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  75. on March 7, 2010 at 5:54 pm dana

    laura all it would take is the return of consequences to sex. you can’t put the abortion/birth control genie back in the bottle, but shame and not being able to get one thin dime from a bio dad or government could go a long way to at least reducing pre- or extramarital sex. people take the course of least resistance for the most part

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  76. on March 7, 2010 at 6:05 pm Anonymous

    Roissy in a closet moralist, I agree.

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  77. on March 7, 2010 at 6:07 pm Anonymous

    Also, bang virgins? Why, they don’t know anything?

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  78. on March 7, 2010 at 6:25 pm Racer X

    D. Ray Morton provided us with this photo of Charlotte Allen.

    Fuck. I need to go stick my head in a toilette now. I was imagining fresh some young thing not too far removed from her university English department and all that cock she secretly enjoyed riding.

    Why the hell is an old hag like that writing about the PUA world and sex? There should be laws against this sort of thing.

    Now I am going to have to contemplate celibacy once again, until I get my erotic equilibrium restored.

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  79. on March 7, 2010 at 6:26 pm V.

    this remminds me: what happened to spearhead or whatever online magazine you were writing to?

    [editor: laziness.]

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  80. on March 7, 2010 at 6:28 pm Racer X

    Laura,

    We would love to hear some of your stories about partying and promiscuity. Please don’t spare the details.

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  81. on March 7, 2010 at 6:52 pm Laura

    God, I have got to get off this website. I have things to do.

    Dana,
    Agreed.

    Racer X,
    HaHa
    Trust me, there was not much worth talking about, not that I would anyway. Usually hearing about other people’s sexual experiences is boring to me and a little gross.

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  82. on March 7, 2010 at 7:59 pm Charlotte Allen

    Hi, Roissy and Roissysphere:

    Let’s see, where to start:

    With Racer X! I’m flattered by your crude attentions, Racer, but you’re confusing me with Clio, who is lovely in every way (I met her on a trip to Ottawa a couple of weeks ago) and far more worthy to be your true love and the unattainable girl of your dreams.

    This leads to my own value on the sexual marketplace. Believe me, I’m quite aware that it’s zilch, as it should be at my advanced age. Although I still have my slender figure and pretty good bones, I would cringe at the idea of having to compete for sex in any marketplace: bars, stationery stores, the Finnish embassy, the almond-butter aisle at Whole Foods, you name it. Even at my youngest and best, I would have had to rate myself as better looking than Wendy Schwartz, but that’s not saying much, is it? (I use Roissy’s rating of 6 for Schwartz as a touchstone, since I am too arithmetically impaired to calculate my waist-to-hip ratio–you know how it is with girls and math!) Fortunately, I married a man I adore (and not a beta, either!) 22 years ago, so I’m perfectly happy to sit on the sidelines casting judgment on everyone else’s sex lives.

    Re interviewing Roissy: Early on as I was working on this story I sent Roissy an e-mail requesting an interview: by e-mail, phone, in-person meeting (I live in Washington), whatever. He agreed to an e-mail interview, so over the next month or so I sent him four e-mails containing a number of questions. I got no reply to any of them–but that was Roissy’s prerogative. No one is obliged to cooperate with a journalist. At the end, as I was wrapping up my writing, I felt compelled to send him a fifth e-mail regarding the Wendy Schwartz brouhaha (since it’s all over Google), and he obliged me with a brief response. Should Roissy have let me interview him more extensively? Who knows? The story would have been more fun with more Roissy quotes, but I had a good time writing it in any event, and I received a number of e-mails and phone calls from people who told me they enjoyed it.

    As for your “points of correction,” Roissy, please feel free to write a letter to the Weekly Standard’s editors–I can assure you that it will run. I did think that I had made it clear that you are personally delighted at the collapse of sexual mores in the post-1960s West, as it allows you nearly unlimited access to beautiful and willing babes, and that you have “no intention of getting married” (as I wrote). Perhaps I read too much into your several posts about “quality” girls who are all too rare among your female acquaintances. That bygone era of “chaste women holding out for marriage” did strive to produce quality girls, and it often (although obviously not always) succeeded.

    As for George Sodini and the gym shootup, you might recall, Roissy, that one of the e-mails I sent you did request you to clarify your views about him, since he struck me has having veered well beyond frustrated beta into psi for “psycho.” You didn’t respond, perhaps because you thought I’d give you a writeup like this one:

    http://jezebel.com/5330560/gunman-murders-gym+going-women-misogynists-approve

    At any rate, I quoted your “anything is justified” to bolster my argument that you viewed Sodini as a victim of the sexual revolution. Again, if you believe that I mischaracterized your views, Roissy, please contact the Weekly Standard. That’s what letters to the editor are for. Please also feel free to continue this dialogue here.

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  83. on March 7, 2010 at 8:44 pm don

    I found your blog from the Standard article too. There is also something about it in Double X which is part of Slate.com

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  84. on March 7, 2010 at 8:56 pm Aeneas

    Laura

    ”
    I went through a brief period in my life when I was a party girl and somewhat promiscuous, which I regret deeply.
    ”

    ”
    In my opinion, I am the kind of girl a man marries, not the one he uses and discards or won’t have anything to do with in the first place if he’s smart.
    ”

    You wish..

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  85. on March 7, 2010 at 9:00 pm dana

    charlotte allen is pretty fuckin cool

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  86. on March 7, 2010 at 9:27 pm Laura

    Charlotte Allen is very cool. She has more class, brains, humor and character than most of the guys on this site. (You most of all Racer X and if I had actually bothered reading your previous posts I would never have responded to you so nicely before) It’s easy to talk that way about someone when you’re anonymous, right?

    I definitely think “chaste women holding out for marriage” resulted in a superior group of women. Just look at the women of the WWII generation and compare them to the young women out there now (although there still is quality, it’s just harder to find).

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  87. on March 7, 2010 at 9:49 pm Black Flag

    I read this article weeks ago when it was first published. I was intrigued, so I googled “roissy in DC”. I’m glad I did.

    But I don’t read the Weekly Standard. I read Arts & Letters Daily, which linked it. Arts & Letters gives a brief summary of the essence of each piece; the tease for the New Dating Game and the “New Paleolithic Age” was faintly scandalous and so out of character for them I had to follow it.

    My point is that Arts & Letters is well read in certain circles. People are seriously entertaining your case.

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  88. on March 7, 2010 at 9:50 pm Rum

    Laura
    There is no going back to the old ways unless men in general forget what women have spent the last 20 years teaching them about the true nature of female sexuality.
    It does no good for women to pose as “virtuous” if they are understood to be innately quite hypergamous. At least if monogamous life-long marriage is what they are trying to sell to guys.

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  89. on March 7, 2010 at 10:00 pm sharpcool

    This guy is alpha. Nigel Farage of the European Parliament calls the EU a bunch of communists. All his YT videos are good.

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  90. on March 7, 2010 at 10:20 pm Bobby

    Charlotte Allen is indeed classy. The Roissysphere is advanced by her writeup. Unfortunately, a few anonymous juveniles feel bound to insult anything their dicks cannot understand.

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  91. on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 pm Charlotte Allen

    Hey, Laura, Dana, and Bobby–thanks! I’ve been reading Laura’s posts on this blog for a while, and they’re great.

    I agree with Laura about the women of World War II, partly because some of those women played a role in my own life: my mother and some of my aunts and my husband’s. They were a greatest generation of women. They married young coming straight out of the deprivations of the Great Depression, they often had babies young, and they stood by their husbands through difficult times:long, dangerous postings overseas, uncertain financial prospects, moving from base to base as Army and Navy wives. It wasn’t that people were better then–human nature doesn’t change much and there were plenty of unfaithful wives–but there was an ethos that rewarded female modesty, chastity, and marital loyalty, so that there was more of all three virtues. You only have to look at an issue of Life magazine from the 1940s. You’ll see photos of young women, say, at USO socials, who were just as slender and pretty as today’s young women–except that they’re modestly attired in cute knee-length dresses. Many of them really did save themselves for marriage, or at least engagement. There really were many more marriages and many fewer divorces. People really did have far fewer sexual partners.

    Rum, you are naive if you think that women somehow managed to hide their hypergamous natures from men–until 20 years ago! You must be unaware of millennia of literature, from Aristotle to “The Tale of Genji” to “Madame Bovary,” that displayed acute consciousness of female vanity and fickleness. “La donna e mobile.” Yes, women are hypergamous–and men are polygamous. It seems a bit hypocritical for men to “pose as virtuous” (your words) by being shocked, shocked at contemporary women’s sexual wildness while ignoring the fact that it takes two to tango.

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  92. on March 8, 2010 at 12:28 am sdaedalus

    This is better than the Oscars.

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  93. on March 8, 2010 at 12:28 am Rum

    Charlotte
    Of course I am naive. We all are, in our own ways… about some things, at least for a while.
    But the underlying problem is that the average young man will only make a binding life-long committment to the average young woman if he believes she actually wants to fuck him over the long-term. “Female hypergamy” is an insight-doctrine that explains to men that the average woman does not and never will want to fuck him anymore than is required to hook into his resources.
    A response from you would be pointless.

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  94. on March 8, 2010 at 12:33 am AnOliveGardenSupper

    Fair article, all in all.

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  95. on March 8, 2010 at 12:43 am feministx.blogspot.com

    Charlotte Allen, why oh why did you devote a paragraph to LR and nothing to me? I’m the interesting one with the substance. sigh.

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  96. on March 8, 2010 at 12:56 am monkeys

    Nice Charlotte.

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  97. on March 8, 2010 at 12:58 am monkeys

    Oscar who?

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  98. on March 8, 2010 at 12:59 am feministx.blogspot.com

    “I definitely think “chaste women holding out for marriage” resulted in a superior group of women.”

    It resulted in the group of women that became angry second wave feminists who went so far as to rally in support of calls which portrayed domestic life as the comfortable concentration camp.

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  99. on March 8, 2010 at 1:07 am ahappinessexperiment

    I still have trouble grasping why men call game Game with a capital G. Women have always played (women’s) Game. A woman playing hard-to-get sounds antiquated, yet a guy doing it –for whatever reason– is presented as revolutionary.

    Guys grow up thinking about sports, fighting, computers, cars, guitars… whatever… whereas women grow up reading, talking and thinking about what mind games they should be playing with guys. And then guys at a certain age act shocked, shocked to find out so much of dating is about mind games — and then PRETEND WE INVENTED IT.

    I’m not a big fan of the current men’s movement as often expressed here — because it sounds gay. Probably much like the women’s movement of a generation ago, the motives sound good, but….

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  100. on March 8, 2010 at 1:32 am Bardesio

    Charlotte Allen,

    Now would be a fine time to ask Roissy the most crucial, challenging, penetrating, and interesting questions you can think of. You know. THE questions. Seeing as you are not constrained here in any way — as far as we know.

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  101. on March 8, 2010 at 1:40 am sdaedalus

    Beautifully timed..

    Oscar may actually have got it right this year.

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  102. on March 8, 2010 at 2:09 am Cinco Jotas

    Cheers to Charlotte Allen. That was a good, fair article and a classy, cool response.

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  103. on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 am Mike

    Old women like Charlotte Allen have no use on the Earth anymore. What is their purpose? They are old, ugly as hell, and are poor. They serve no purpose and are just taking up space. It is a shame that people have to breathe the same air as this waste of life. Revolting.

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  104. on March 8, 2010 at 2:31 am unlearning genius ...

    @Charlotte Anne,
    “Rum, you are naive if you think that women somehow managed to hide their hypergamous natures from men–until 20 years ago! ”

    Duh, of course they did. The key changes are women’s comparative earning potential, availability of birth control and feminism related reduction in social slut shaming and societal tolerance of out of wedlock babies. Only women at the very top end of the desirability curve could afford to live an openly hypergamous lifestyle. The polygamy of MOST men was also widely curbed and restricted to channels like brothels.

    Charlotte anne’s article has no insights at all. It is just a “he said she said .. i disproportionately noted down what only the seemingly popular ones said” writeup. Evolutionary psychology isn’t anywhere close to a proper science. And guys always inflate their conquest stories .. there is money to be made in promising morons that irrespective of their looks or money or charisma they can and will bed the top percentile. How is this any different from “Yes, you too can make a killing trading stocks” .. It is the responsibility of a good journalist to offer a thorough perspective… not to tell us who is currently cool and what they think.

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  105. on March 8, 2010 at 2:42 am whiskey

    Gig —

    Oh yes we should bomb Iran. You won’t be picking up chicks if oil goes to $200-300 a barrel. Hell we’ll all be eating roadkill Beverly Hillbillies style. Possum is even better … the NEXT DAY!

    Seriously, Iran has to pay a whole network of thugs. Goons are not cheap. They’re running out of money. That’s why they want nukes in the first place, to punk out the US from the Gulf, and dictate production levels there. By making a convenient example out of Israel. Obama is a limp-wristed Muslim-heritage weenie, he’s probably chortling about how he’ll stick it to Whitey with sky-high gas prices (and campaigned on raising them to $7 a gallon).

    So if you want to avoid eating roadkill, and have enough spare cash to hit the bars, we’d better bomb Iran quick and hard.

    Ms Allen — Don’t forget that Major Nidal Hassan, Crotch bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, Mohammed Atta, the Toronto 18, all complained like Tim McVeigh, and Columbine killers Klebold and Harris that they could not find proper girlfriends or wives. Prostitution and pornography in the case of the Muslim jihadis seems to have made this worse. Ziad Jarrah was the only one of the 9/11 hijackers to have seriously contemplated not going through with the plot — he had a civil (but not Muslim) marriage to a German citizen of Turkish background. This seems powerful evidence that men unconnected to women at a minimum are not going to just go away, no matter how much ordinary women wish they would.

    In the West we get periodic atrocity killers, always the same type and always the same basic motive — suicide by violence. In the Muslim world, where polygamy makes things even worse, the violence is greater because it is channeled by religion.

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  106. on March 8, 2010 at 4:18 am Anonymous

    Nigel is the sh*t!

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  107. on March 8, 2010 at 8:31 am PA

    Whiskey – It’ even more desperate than you say. There is not gonna be any roadkill if no one can afford gas.

    FemX – Friedan was an outlier, possibly with a mental illness. But her little manifesto was timely for those in whose interest it was to decouple women from their husbands and devalue double the the labor pool. If 1950s life was hard on some women, it was due to suburban atomization, a very new thing at the time, isolating women from other women.

    Rum – Of course the average young man today has reason to be cynical of women’s motives… if he has a beta mentality. If an average young man acts like an alpha, it will go a long way toward ameliorating the destabilizing effects of women’s hypergamous impulses.

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  108. on March 8, 2010 at 8:44 am Vincent Ignatius

    Roissy,

    Have you thought of writing a book? You’d probably be able to get a lot of free press.

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  109. on March 8, 2010 at 9:24 am Laura

    Thanks Charlotte,
    I enjoy reading about and conversing about social issues and that’s probably why I’ve been interested in this and other blogs.
    I think I may have been referred to your article through Steve Sailer’s blog.
    I wish there was a way to go back and correct or retract some of my previous comments. Even though no one knows who I am or cares for that matter, it still bothers me to have said something dumb. I said a few silly things trying to be funny or play the straight man, but I think I am going to stop doing that.
    If Roissy really wants to be taken seriously as a journalist, he certainly has the writing skills, he should participate in things like your interview. I don’t understand why he would agree to an interview and then refuse to answer any questions. It was a very good article and I think you would have represented him fairly. I don’t know anything about Tucker Max, but you actually made him sound like he’s not a bad person, considering his behavior. I think Roissy still might be struggling with his identity a little and may have wanted to do the interview, but was afraid to. Maybe he just had nothing interesting to say. I don’t know, just speculation, but enough about him.
    Your above paragraph about the women of the WWII generation said exactly what I think and said it much better than I could have. It’s a generation of women whom I’ve come to admire over time.

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  110. on March 8, 2010 at 9:42 am Laura

    Correction:
    said it much better then I could have.

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  111. on March 8, 2010 at 9:58 am ASDF

    All hail The Greatest Generation: The first generation ever to endure poverty, give birth, and fight in wars.

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  112. on March 8, 2010 at 10:01 am Charlotte Allen

    Bardesio: It’s a bit late in the day for me to interview Roissy. The WS article came out a month ago, and to quote Pontius Pilate, “What I have written I have written.”

    FeministX: Actually it wasn’t WW II women who read “The Feminine Mystique” and dumped their husbands but women who came of age during the 1950s and early 1960s and had it too easy with postwar prosperity. One of the least appealing features of women is their willingness to take up in lemming-like fashion any dopey and dysfunctional fad as long as it includes “You go, girl!” or “You deserve it!” Kill your husband? You’re a victim of “the burning bed.” Drown your kids in the bathtub? Hordes of feminists will start pontificating about postpartum depression. Shoot up the faculty meeting at your university? Lots of chin-pulling about the tenure system and how hard it is on academic women. And so it was that women who had never had it so good in their suburban homes bought into Betty Friedan’s projection of her own marital discontent onto every other woman in America. Remember, too, that the publication of “The Feminine Mystique” coincided with the sexual revolution with its message to women that they could now have whatever enticing men they wanted instead of staying hooked up with boring old Todd back in the subdivision.

    Mike: I hate to stick a pin into your Hobbesian balloon, but I’m not poor. I do plan, however, to title my autobiography (once I write it) “Nasty, Brutish, and Tall” (I’m 5’10”).

    Whiskey: Unlike you, I don’t blame Islamic terrorism on sexually frustrated beta men. I blame Islamic terrorism on Islamic terrorists.

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  113. on March 8, 2010 at 10:12 am Laura

    Rum,
    I, as I’m sure many of the women at the college I attended, had a crush on the football team’s quarterback. He was cute and a good football player, who wouldn’t? Would I have wanted to jeopardize my chance at marriage, children, a lifelong bond with someone or even just a nice date with a nice guy to pine away for someone I could never get? Absolutely not and I think most women feel the same way. While women do definitely have a tendency towards hypergamy, men, no matter how much they love you, are still going to find many other women attractive. That is something women learn to live with.
    I know now that life with the football player really wouldn’t be any better anyway.

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  114. on March 8, 2010 at 10:55 am Laura

    Charlotte,
    You hit the nail on the head as to why I eventually started to become disgusted with feminism. Since when did women not have character and since when did they not have to concern themselves with the quality of their character? Instead of “You go girl!” I would have benefitted more from, “Sit down and Shut Up.” I think many others would have also.

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  115. on March 8, 2010 at 11:03 am dana

    laura women never cared about charcter, they cared about the outward appearance of conforming to whatever the prevailing standard of female behavior was in the eyes of other women. now they care about “you go girl”, before they cared about acting “ladylike” or conspicuously pious. female “character” is extroverte din the extreme and conformist at it’s heart. men have character–women have appearances.

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  116. on March 8, 2010 at 11:06 am Bardesio

    Charlotte:

    Unlike Pontius Pilate, you are not frozen into history, and you yet have the command of your pen. Here you are on this blog, “continuing the debate”, responding to various queries, obviously fascinated by Roissy the man and the cultural phenomenon of which he is by far the most eloquent spokesman (and don’t forget, “eloquent” can be applied to Thersites and Hitler as well as to Martin Luther King), and yet you refuse to take the opportunity to truly satisfy your curiosity. What are you afraid of? Why don’t you stop playing around and get serious?

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  117. on March 8, 2010 at 11:19 am alias clio

    Charlotte Allen is far prettier than she appears to be in that dreadful photograph. What’s more, she is as slim as a reed, with a true fashion model’s figure. She does not look nor try to look young, so attackers here would certainly not find her youthfully sexy.

    Now, none of this has any relevance at all, of course, although I suppose it might have had if the article had been an extended attack upon Game and Roissy. You might have been able to say that it was informed by bitterness or sour grapes – though that wouldn’t necessarily be true. But in fact there’s no need for any such speculation because the article wasn’t an attack. Nor did it claim to be a comprehensive study of “PUA”, or evolutionary psychology. So what’s your beef, fellows?

    Miss Allen, I disagree that Islamic terrorism should be blamed only on Islamic terrorists. I mean, yes, in a way it should be – but not altogether. Social customs and problems do contribute to personal pathologies and, ultimately, to criminal tendencies. Fatherlessness does appear to make young men more prone to violence, and I wouldn’t be surprised if long-term wifelessness had the same effect.

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  118. on March 8, 2010 at 11:29 am dana

    clio,

    when men have any positive feelings about a woman but can’t see her they immediately have to imagine her attractive because they can’t associate feeling warm and expansive towards a female they think is ugly.

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  119. on March 8, 2010 at 11:47 am Charlotte Allen

    Bardesio: I’m not sure what I ought to be curious about concerning Roissy that he doesn’t already supply in his daily posts. Would I like to watch him in action (or better yet, Roosh and Roissy in double-PUA action) executing a number close? Sure, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. Right now, I don’t have much to say about game, the current mating scene, or the deterioration of sexual mores that I didn’t already say in the article. If someone gave me a book contract, I’d feel more ambitious, but that hasn’t happened–yet.

    Laura and Dana: You’re both right. Women are perfectly capable of developing character–and many women do–but they are also extraordinarily, and perhaps fatally, other-directed. You can see that in women’s alighting en masse from one spiritual fad to another (yesterday it was angels, now it’s “mindfulness”) or from one food intolerance to another (yesterday it was lactose, now it’s gluten), and so forth. Women’s sexual mores changed overnight–and feminism swept the country overnight. Women who ought to have said to themselves, “Well, I made a marriage vow, and that means something,so maybe I ought to stick with Todd,” recited to themselves this favorite 1970s divorce-rationalizing meme, “I got married too young [even though I was older than my mother was when she got married], and my friend Karen broke up with her boring old husband, and now she’s living with that cute fireman….” And so it went.

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  120. on March 8, 2010 at 11:48 am Laura

    Alias Clio,
    The presence of decent men in a woman’s life (husbands, fathers, brothers, grandfathers, boyfriends & friends- NOT Alpha lovers, they’re trouble) tends to keep her worst female tendencies in check. I suppose the same applies to men.

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  121. on March 8, 2010 at 12:02 pm dana

    laura, the presence of decent men is necessary but not sufficient. example: my father was a decent man, a doctor, a provider–handsome, loved and respected my mom and supported her etc. my mother was a born harridan and the precursor type to what has become the norm of shrill borderline/npd harpies who belittled him at every turn. i think i in turn sought at men who resembled my dominant parent, not my “decent” parent. in the end i feeli married a man who had the right balance of the best of both ends of the spectrum . maybe the real issue is the nature of the dominant figures in a woman’s life?

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  122. on March 8, 2010 at 12:41 pm Charlotte Allen

    Clio: You are so flattering! That photo is indeed quite awful (there’s a somewhat better B&W one also floating around on the web), and I made a horrible mistake letting that thing get viral in the first place. I needed a color photo fast for some website article I wrote, so I rushed into a camera store and asked a guy there to take one. I don’t think I even combed my hair or put on lipstick, and the (fluorescent) lighting was terrible. Of course the radical feminists just love that photo, and they blow it up huge and post it whenever I write an op-ed they don’t like (which is fairly often). It’s interesting that the game guys here are using the photo for the exact same purpose as the feminists they claim to hate. I regard (or at least try to regard) that photo as a lesson for me in the curbing of worldly vanity, the besetting sin of women.

    As for Islamic terrorism, it is certainly true that the underpants bomber (I can never remember his name, except in parody) seemed to have father issues, and that suicide bombers seem to be recruited among men who don’t have wives and families. Murderers in general almost never have wives, unless they are wife-murderers. Lack of social restraints such as marriage (the chief force of human social ordering) lets male violence run amok, just as it lets female reproductive activity run amok to the grave detriment of children. My point in my response to Whiskey is that Islamic terrorists aren’t just betas gone awry like George Sodini; ideology does play a large role.

    BTW, Whiskey, I got a chuckle out of your suggestion that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold shot up Columbine High School because they couldn’t get enough sex. Exactly how much sex is “enough” for a 17-year-old boy? When my husband was in high school, the answer was: None (or at least none that anyone’s father–or, even worse, girlfriend’s father–found out about).

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  123. on March 8, 2010 at 12:53 pm Firepower

    Being feted in a magazine article isn’t everything. Rock Hudson used to get great press.

    Even a mere mention in TIME is no biggy. They wrote about Killer Bees a lot.

    sic transit, gloria mundi

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  124. on March 8, 2010 at 12:56 pm PA

    Whiskey is beyond-parody reductive in his thinking. He is also a despair-monger. It’s one thing to be a Cassandra, who was right about the fall of Troy but wasn’t listened to. It’s another thing to be Jane Fonda whispering words of demoralization and doom or, better yet, like Bill Paxton’s character in Aliens screaming “game over man, game over!!”

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  125. on March 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm Thursday

    Ms. Allen:

    In case you are interested, Robin Hanson over at Overcoming Bias has a nice roundup of my thoughts on how current sexual dynamics tend to play out in religious and socially conservative settings.

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  126. on March 8, 2010 at 1:11 pm barbbabbs

    One of the most hilarious things about Charlotte Allen was that she defined Tucker Max as good looking. Total neoconnery!! She said he was over six feet tall. More neoconnery!!

    What Ms. Allen missed is that Tucker Max is how aging neocon women define “manliness”–a lying douchebag with a lisp who films himself having butthex with girls without their permission. Maybe he reminds them of their husbands and fathers?

    http://www.quotabletuckermax.com/

    http://tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com

    http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html

    Why are Female Executives Publishing Tucker Max?
    http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html

    Seriously Ms. Allen–that woudl be awesome if you used google before writing your articles. And really, does Tucker Max give you gina tingles?

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  127. on March 8, 2010 at 1:25 pm Liverlips

    Charlotte:

    Excellent article. I know H. Roger Devlin and when I saw him two weeks ago I went right up to him and said “There’s Roissy’s mentor!”

    He enjoyed the interview but was amused at the thought of being the mentor to DC’s greatest PUA.

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  128. on March 8, 2010 at 1:31 pm Chuck

    Charlotte Allen makes a good point about the Columbine kids, Tim McVeigh, etc.

    Since when were 17 year old males, or any males for that matter, entitled to sex?

    It wasn’t so much that these guys didn’t have access to women; it was the fact that they thought they were *supposed* to have women. The fact that they didn’t – and because they have been sold 10 different templates for what was expected of them as men – partially fueled their fire because it was used as an excuse for their own pathology.

    That excuse was fostered by feminism and supported by the elitist class of new-age alphas created by that feminism. If a boy/man didn’t participate in the rampant casual sex that ensued, he was devalued. This is the Virgin/Cad dichotomy.

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  129. on March 8, 2010 at 1:33 pm PA

    Can self-described conservatives and non-feminists please stop using “Ms.” ? It’s “Mrs.” for married women, “Miss” for unmarried ones and when you’re not sure of their marital status.

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  130. on March 8, 2010 at 1:33 pm Firepower

    MPUAs and “PUAGs” and FPUAGs et al
    and their incessant capitalist caterwauling
    are one aspect of what gives my life mirth

    plus, I learn
    what not
    to do

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  131. on March 8, 2010 at 2:19 pm alias clio

    What Ms. Allen missed is that Tucker Max is how aging neocon women define “manliness”–a lying douchebag with a lisp who films himself having butthex with girls without their permission. Maybe he reminds them of their husbands and fathers?

    barbbabbs, surely you aren’t suggesting that the women Tucker Max pursues and sleeps with are “aging neocons”? I’m no admirer of the fellow, but the only way he could have the kind of success he appears to achieve with women is if young, pretty ones occasionally agree to a tumble with him.

    Nothing in the WS piece suggested that Miss Allen admires Tucker Max or finds him attractive. She merely commented that he was “kinder” to the woman in the story she quoted than anyone might have expected, probably because he didn’t comment on her looks, intelligence, sexual technique, bad smell, or anything of the kind.

    Incidentally, that woman appears to have been not only young and pretty, but a standard-issue liberal with a chip on her shoulder. What do you want to bet she votes Democrat, if she votes at all, that is? Why she felt it necessary to have sex with TM, or what she was trying to prove, is a mystery to me, but there you are.

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  132. on March 8, 2010 at 2:34 pm Charlotte Allen

    Thursday: I read and enjoyed your posts. They dovetailed with some advice I found myself giving to some guys who e-mailed me after my article came out about where to find decent women: Try a church. I also recommended reading Roissy’s post “Don’t Be That Girl” and suggested that if a young woman exhibited a single one of the traits Roissy listed, she was not worth the investment of a single minute of further time.

    The only question I have: Do social conservatives really believe that women are innocent creatures who inadvertently fall into the hands of cads while looking for love? Isn’t that a canard? I grew up in one of the most socially conservative environments imaginable: Catholic convent girls’ school. Those nuns had no illusions about the innocence of their teenage charges, most of whom couldn’t wait for school to let out so they could either rendezvous with or look for boyfriends. So there were nonstop drill-sergeant harangues on chastity and keeping it that way. I remember one nun telling us that if we were responsible for our Catholic boyfriends’ inability to receive Holy Communion on Sunday morning (due to fooling around in the car on Saturday night), we would go straight to hell or someplace even worse. The school rules were designed as much to keep us away from boys as to keep boys away from us. So what’s this about social conservatives “pedestalizing” women? Those nuns sure didn’t pedestalize us!

    To Barbbabbs: I’m supposed to take “Feministing” seriously?

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  133. on March 8, 2010 at 2:41 pm Laura

    Chuck and Charlotte make a good point about the Columbine kids and other killers. I am sensitive to the fact that for young people it can be painful to not be attractive to members of the opposite sex, but really,who has a right to a girlfriend? A lot of teenage boys aren’t particularly successful with girls, that’s nothing new. Most of them end up maturing and meeting someone, eventually. Most of the days in people’s lives are spent doing other things besides having sex. If you’re feeling left out because you don’t have some great love life (as it seem some of the betas on here do) remember you are definitely not alone. If anything, you are in the majority.

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  134. on March 8, 2010 at 3:10 pm barbbabbs

    Ms. Allen, like most aging neocon women, glamorized her fantasy, “Tucker Max, 33, six feet tall, extrovertedly good-looking, and usually photographed latched to a girl, a bottle of booze, or a cheeseburger, is an honors graduate (in three years) of the University of Chicago.”

    Tucker is good looking? WTF?

    Narrow shoulders and wide hips–tiny hands and giant frankenstein head–and one who lies about their height, and aging neocn women get gina tingles.

    The thing everyone is missing out on is that the neocon alpha males are betamales–docuhebags, liars, physically deformed, talking with lisps.

    Continuing on with her gina-tingling neocn fantasy, Ms. Allen continues lying for the short douchebag: “Beer in Hell, a dramatization of some of his website yarns, became an indie movie hit in college towns last fall.”

    hahahaha aha ahahhah!!!

    The movie was an epic boxoffice failure.

    Had Ms. Allen’s gina not been tingling so heavily, filling up her room with neoconginafluid at the sight of a short, deformed douchebag which probably reminded her of her hsuband/father/son, her computer would have not shorted out, and she could have used google to find out about tucker max’s epic fail movie which cost over $12,000,000 and brought in less than $1.5 million.

    http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ihopetheyservebeerinhell.htm

    The movie was a hit! Tucker is six feet tall an dgood looking! Neocons are for the Constitution!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board

    http://wrapper.askmen.com/s?from=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.askmen.com%2Fcelebs%2Finterview_300%2F365_tucker-max-interview.html&siteId=14086&size=entryinterstitial&cKey=1564811117-561054681268078649517&docTitle=Tucker%20Max%20Interview%20-%20AskMen.com

    “Tucker is not rich. He plowed his earnings from his book into his movie which cost at least 12 million for production and P&A. It made 1.5 million at the box office. 10.5 million in the hole. His book Assh*les Finish First has been rejected numerous times by the publisher and is no longer available for order on Amazon. He shut down his message board to avoid being called out over the failure of the movie and canned Rudius Media, his “revolutionary” company due to it’s inability to generate revenue. Looks like he isn’t first, but last when it comes to being a success. He is far from rich, having tons of debts. He is almost 35 and still bragging to frat boys about how drunk he can get and how much tail he pulls. Get on the loser train kids.”
    –http://www.askmen.com/celebs/interview_300/365_tucker-max-interview.html

    Finally, Ms. Allen says that the girl with Tucker is good looking.

    She is a moon face slut.

    Conservatism–once the home of Edmund Burke, Russell Kirk, T.S. Eliot, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan, is now drowning in neoconginafluid like the rest of America, as they lust after betamale douchebags.

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  135. on March 8, 2010 at 3:24 pm Chuck

    Charlotte,

    It seems to me that women have adapted to the incentives laid before them and that conservatives – as per usual – haven’t adapted their worldview in step.

    Much more than any time before, women are able to act on their hypergamy. Because they don’t have to make concessions to men, they can basically roll over most men in their drive to hang out with and have sex with the few at the top of the social hierarchy.

    Social conservatives seem to hold on to the old pre-feminist notion that women are “sugar, spice” etc. when, if you’ve dealt with many women in today’s age, they are not.

    I too have wondered about the so-con pedestalization meme, but I think that it stems from this group idolizing females based upon bygone notions of femininity. Men have always been viewed as brutes, but social conservatives haven’t adjusted their social barometers for increasing female brutishness.

    But I have to say I haven’t seen a laundry list of ways in which so-cons pedestalize. I’ve just run with the meme and taken it for granted.

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  136. on March 8, 2010 at 3:27 pm barbbabbs

    A funny thing about the neconginas is that at any moment they could write about

    1) The Constitution
    2) T.S. Eliot
    3) Russell Kirk
    4) Ronald Reagan
    5) Andrew Jackson
    6) Thomas Jefferson
    7) The Gold Standard
    8) The Bill of Rights
    9) Ludwig von Mises
    10) F.A. Hayek

    But the thing is, such exalted, abstract, classical concepts do not register in their brains nor entice them, so they do what they do best–promote short, frankensteinish douchebags who lie about their height and success, proclaiming that they are alpha males, thusly exhorting vaginatingle-lingles, which the Constitution’s Principles do not do, and thus is not worth worrying about.

    Such are the joys of a fiat currency which funded feminism. One need not institute communism, but rather, call it capitalism and place women in charge of it! Women do not know how to use google and always believe tucker max’s corporate-sponsored press releases, and as a fiat currency buys the women shiny things, anyone who gives them shiny things will be an alpha male, and before you know it, Ben Bernanke is man of the year for placing the country in greater debt than any other man before him. He is man of the year, and as Tucker Max lies about his height and talks with a lisp, he is a hot hottie!! And Ms. Allen is a conservative intellectual, writing not about economics and the Federal Reserve system nor the Federalist Papers nor Cicero, but about gina-tingling sexcapades with her version of the aplha male Tucker Max–a lying douchebag!

    Well, it’s all beginning to make sense now, no?

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  137. on March 8, 2010 at 3:31 pm Thursday

    Ms. Allen:

    I am afraid traditionalists social conservatives for the most part really have been completely out of the loop on female sexuality. I’m not Catholic and I don’t mean to single out Catholics in this, but a really good example of what I’m talking about is Humanae Vitae. Here is the crucial quote from Section 17:

    Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

    There’s not a peep in the whole document about women using birth control to start “alpha chasing.” It’s all about predatory men using women as instruments.

    Now, this doesn’t mean that there haven’t been pockets even among the most socially conservative churchgoing population that knew what’s what. It would be surprising if there weren’t. However, I would note that the nuns you describe were female themselves and had a lot of first hand experience with young women.

    P.S. If you want evisceration of contemporary Evangelical pedestalizing, particularly at sites like Boundless, Anakin Niceguy over at biblicalmanhood.blogspot.com is your man.

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  138. on March 8, 2010 at 3:47 pm Doug1

    Charlotte Allen–

    That article in the Weekly Standard was an impressive summing up and synthesis of the current dating scene using evo psych and PUA game esp. as Roissy formulates it as informing insights. I can’t think of a better introduction to the concepts. Yeah Roissy’s got a ton of great stuff but one has to read a lot of his blog to find the best stuff. It looks like you’ve done that. It’s impressive that a long married woman of your rough age gets it is so thoroughly. The dating scene has changed markedly, even since the 70s. btw, I’m also a Stanford grad.

    I’ve been participating here at times heavily for a couple of years now, though much less recently. Still read everything though and a lot of the comments. Your comments here were also very interesting. I hope you’ll comment here from time to time at least, even after this tread has died down. You’re interesting and very insightful.

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  139. on March 8, 2010 at 3:51 pm barbbabbs

    In addition to fantasizing about douchebags, Ms. Allen also fantasizes about fat women, it seems.

    She writes,

    “Yet it’s hard to believe that Courtney A. herself shared any of this dudgeon. Next to her story she posted a photograph of her with Max that she had a friend take at the bar. The photo shows a rosy-cheeked strawberry blonde who, although no Scarlett Johansson, is no Ugly Betty either (her C-cup bustline, much in evidence both underneath and spilling over her strapless top, doesn’t hurt). She is also grinning from ear to ear, her smile as wide as a cantaloupe slice.”

    OMG! LOLZLZLL!! aging neocon women need to get back to reading vagina tingling vampire books (vampire books are metaphors for the fed, causing vagina tingly-lingies in aging neocon women) instead of writing about the hookup scene.

    Courtney is a hog.

    Look at her arms!!
    http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/09/23/i-slept-with-tucker-max-the-internets-biggest/

    the only reason she is a c cup is because her arms are so fat that they overflow into her bra.

    right away you can tell that if you make out with her while hooking up, you will taste something salty from the night before. as a fatty, she’s a pump’n’dump, and as a pump’n’dump destined for spinsterhood. she is shorty-short beta male tucker’s only chance.

    hilarious that miss allen glorfies this by calling tucker a 6 foot stud & hit-film maker, reading straight from his fiat-funded press releases, and then calling moon-face courtney “twinkie arms” hot, while the rest of the neocons at the weekly standard are sending our best and brightest, true alpha males to die, while douchebag/liar/shorty tucker hangs back, sanctified and adulated my ms. allen, banging pump’n’dump fatties with ginormous arms, as major neocon corproations wire them fiat dollars for epic failure. seriously if she held her arm out it would droop to the floor! lolz!

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  140. on March 8, 2010 at 4:11 pm barbbabbs

    roissy is close, and i’m taking it on home…

    doesn’t anyone see it?

    the anti-constitution/pro-buttsexth neocon matrix which our best and brightest are being sent to iraq and afghanistan to die for, while neocon douchebags get to jack hammer pump’n’dump fat girls (which the neocon press tries to tell us are hot-ahahahahhah!!), as the neocon press calls the lying douchebags studly and transofrms their $10,000,000+ losses on a $12,000,000 film into a neocon film-hit success?

    lying about height = hot
    creating trillions in debt = man of the year
    ginormously fat arms = hot girl
    fat girl who writes about getting jack-hammered by a short, lying douchebag epic film faliure = “hot girl with cantelope grin.” WTF?
    fat arms flowing into bra = big boobs
    writing about teh constitution and gold standard = bad
    writing about fiat-funded tucker max/liars/douchebags butthex escapaders = intellectual

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  141. on March 8, 2010 at 4:30 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    Where is the problem anyways?

    So there are some young women taking advantage of the fact birth control has been invented and they are engaging in short term flings with guys they want purely for sexual pleasure. The problem here is what exactly? That betas get laid less? In principle, how is that a problem? Are we communists here? The have nots should be able to keep down the haves for the sake of resource equality?

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  142. on March 8, 2010 at 4:48 pm barbbabbs

    no problem here at all!

    no problem but that for true alphas are being sent to die on foreign shores to defend liars and douchebags hooking up with girls with fat, droopy, jiggly arms; and aging neocon women think the lying douchebags are studly and the fat-arm-flwoing into bra chicks have big boobs!

    no problem here!

    move along now, and go on back to your cats and voting for bigger government to finance your banging douchebags with fiat dollars!

    why do wome like a) big government and b) douchebags?

    the reason is….

    wait for it…

    wait for it…

    wait for it….

    wait for it….

    wait for it….

    they love anything that promises the world but ends up f’ing them in the end (& in their back end too as Ms. Allen’s pernsoal stud and definition of manhood his tucker “butthexer film failure short, lying, douchebag” max).

    lolzlzlzl!! those neocons are funny!! lolzlzl!

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  143. on March 8, 2010 at 4:49 pm Andrew

    “No one has a right to a girlfriend.” This is a fair statement. Of course it’s very easy if you are a caucasian, American woman to make these statements as well. Living in Kansas I see unattractive, to average looking women all the time who are able to live out their fantasies, all because they were born with a vagina. And I think that is the crux. The top people of any society have always lived a much better life than the average folk, but what is different in America is that your average female is living a much better life and having a much better time than your average male. And I think this is what has so many guys pissed off.

    Case in point, I had a couple of detectives show up at my house a while back trying to force me to make incriminating statements against myself, all because I’m guessing this girl I went out with felt guilty about giving me a BJ in my car. Of course nothing happened, because I wouldn’t talk to them and the fact that I could afford a top shelf lawyer probably scared them off. Had I been your typical stupid male though, who couldn’t afford a good lawyer, or decided to talk to them about what happend that night I probably would be in jail right now. And no I didn’t force her to go down on me. But hell, she probably said I anally raped her and beat her.

    I had heard that her version of what happened that night was full of holes and pretty shady. But had she been even halfway believable, or had I been some poor schlub, I’d probaby be serving 10-15 years.

    So yes, “no man deserves a gf,” but it’s pretty hard to take these kind bullshit sayings seriously from white, American women.

    I understand why the sisterhood is still bitching to this day. Not only do you want to keep things the way they are, you gals would be happy with even more and new interesting laws that benefit you. As a single, wealthy guy who hordes his money, you need to find out how to get more of my wealth to pay for your social programs. This way it makes it impossible for me to leave this shit hole when I’m ready, and you find a new source of income for our soon to be failed state. Don’t worry, I’m sure the Pelosi’s and Reid’s will figure something out.

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  144. on March 8, 2010 at 4:50 pm Charlotte Allen

    Thursday: I’ve never read “Humanae Vitae,” so it’s hard for me to judge the entire document on the basis of that single paragraph. Surrounding one’s wife with “care and affection” doesn’t sound bad to me, nor does it sound like pedestalizing. But again, I haven’t read the whole thing, so I’ll take your word that the document omitted similar admonitions to women about treating their husbands with care and affection.

    I did click onto Biblicalmanhood.com. The author’s idea of biblical manhood seems to be to consist of giving up on marriage altogether because women are so dreadful. Could that really be biblical? Didn’t God say something in the Book of Genesis about a man leaving his father and mother and cleaving to his wife? As a Catholic, I’m all for religious celibacy–priests, nuns, and the like–but on the basis of a calling to that state. Perhaps the author of Biblicalmanhood.com has such a calling, but what I read on the site were some generalized rants against feminists (amen, brother!) plus some equally generalized rants against evangelical churches for demonizing men and letting women run the show. Perhaps this is so, but I found little in the way of specific evidence on the site to support his contentions. I have almost no firsthand experience with evangelical Christianity (I’ve never attended a single service), and it may be that evangelical men these days are taught to be wusses. Believe me, there’s an equally wussy side to a lot of Catholic preaching and liturgical innovation–so I can believe that the situation on the evangelical side is equally depressing. It would help, though, if Biblical Man proffered more than a bunch of proof-texts and angry generalizations to support his position. Biblical Man epitomizes the problems that you yourself raised up in your post about Men’s Rights people in general: There’s something unmanly about whining about women all the time. Shut up, Biblical Man, and act like a man!

    Doug1: Go, Stanford! Although I refuse to give any money to an alma mater that puts Valerie Jarrett on the cover of its alumni magazine.

    Barbbabbs: I can’t pick my way through your thicket of run-on sentences, so I don’t know what you’re trying to say. But here’s a quotation from your post that touches on something I do know about: “her arms are so fat that they overflow into her bra.” As a brassiere-wearer myself, I can assure you that there’s no way to get your arms into your bra, no matter how hard you try.

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  145. on March 8, 2010 at 4:59 pm barbbabbs

    lolzlzlzl!! our best and brightest are dying on foreign shores for a few fiat dollars more while ms. allen is exalting tucker “liar/douchebag/short/film-fail” as an alpha male and overweight american women as hot–haha–if that don’t say it all.

    and she blames it all on my run-on sentences!

    i wrote ““her arms are so fat that they overflow into her bra.” and ms. allen took it literally! lozllzlz! neocons

    that girl is a hog & douchebag cum dumpster @ 21.

    could you imagine marrying her when some lying, fiat-funded douchebag had her when she was younger, hotter, and tighter?

    because she’ll never find a husband, she’ll be voting for big government to get in our pockets. lozlz! due to her weight, cocks will stop knocking @ her door by the time she’s 27.

    and ms. allen will say that she has a right to my money because i write run-on sentences lozlzllz!

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  146. on March 8, 2010 at 5:00 pm Lupo

    Racer X: “Why the hell is an old hag like that writing about the PUA world and sex? There should be laws against this sort of thing.”

    As Roissy pointed out, older women are likely to be more honest. H.L. Mencken also pointed this out years ago; “No matter how long he lives, no man ever becomes as wise as the average woman of forty-eight.” Think about it. At least from Mencken’s point of view, long before cosmetic surgery and “cougar” TV shows.

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  147. on March 8, 2010 at 5:07 pm barbbabbs

    i mean would you drink out of an open coke bottle someone left in an alley?

    well, chances are that coke bottle never had a cock in it.

    so why would you want to kiss an american woman?

    lozlzl!

    hey ms. allen–how is my grammar?

    what now, are you going to come down on my lack of caps at the begininning of sentences being our biggest problem, as opposed to a fiat currency and your exalting lying, small-handed, short douchebags as alpha males, because that would be the neoconnish thing to do! lozlllzlz!

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  148. on March 8, 2010 at 5:10 pm Thursday

    I’d agree that Anakin goes off the rails fairly often, but some of his better stuff, taking on the head of the Southern Baptist Convention, is here:
    http://biblicalmanhood.blogspot.com/search?q=mohler

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  149. on March 8, 2010 at 5:17 pm Lupo

    Thursday, you can hardly expect the Catholic Church to have anticipated all the nefarious effects of widespread birth control back in 1968, and of course, one of the core Catholic doctrines are that women are subservient to men; from that point of view, that paragraph makes perfect sense.
    Plenty of them realize what is going on now though. Check out the New Oxford Review some time; it’s manly Catholic Conservativism.

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  150. on March 8, 2010 at 5:20 pm Bobby

    barbbabbs,

    Just an FYI, you’re wasting electrons. I read your first drivelous post; none since. Please reserve your left-leaning drivel for people who care. You are on permanent ignore.

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  151. on March 8, 2010 at 5:24 pm barbbabbs

    lozzllzlzl bobby booby!!

    i love it when people say they put you on ignore.

    it means they are logging in to read your posts.

    lzozll!

    it’s awesome how neocons define russel kirk, the constitution, barry gold water, ludwig von mises, and the gold standard as left leaning.

    meanwhile, the neocons would have you beleieve that tucker max is a tall, hit filmmaker and taht girls with arms so fat that it flows into tehir boobs are hot.

    all the while our best and brightest die on foreign shores, while america is run more and more by whores.

    lozlzl!

    and ms. allen blames it all not on the fed, but my grammar.

    neocons rock!!

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  152. on March 8, 2010 at 5:30 pm barbbabbs

    (above i puposely wrote barry goldwater as barry gold water as a grammatical error 4 ms. allen as they give ms. allen ginatingles. trillion dollar deficits and our best and brightest dying on foreign shores in foreign wars no problem, but grammatical deviations from the feminist state grammar police–watch out!!!!)

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  153. on March 8, 2010 at 5:32 pm Charlotte Allen

    hey ms. allen–how is my grammar?

    Barbbabbs, you bring a laugh to my lips. As you would put it yourself:

    lozlllzlz!

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  154. on March 8, 2010 at 5:38 pm barbbabbs

    hey charlotte,

    why are you doing PR for tucker max–an epic film failure who lies about his height and treats women like dirt and films butthex with them without their consent? why are you saying he is 6 feet tall and hot and that he bags babes when he bags hogs and lies about his height?

    why are you doing this instead of writing articles about ludwig von mises and jesus and john millius?

    is it because newt ginrich reminds you of tucker max and you had a ginatingle crush on newt’s newt that is yet lingering?

    lozlzl!

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  155. on March 8, 2010 at 5:48 pm barbbabbs

    question: “hey charlotte–why are you doing PR for tucker max–an epic film failure who lies about his height and treats women like dirt and films butthex with them without their consent? why are you saying he is 6 feet tall and hot and that he bags babes when he bags hogs and lies about his height?”

    answer: “because i am a women and only understand thinsg that make my gina tingle. the constitution’s exalted principles don’t even show up on my radar. butthexxx!! lzozllz!”

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  156. on March 8, 2010 at 5:55 pm Andrew

    I have also enjoyed Charlotte Allen’s insight. Thank you.
    Barbbabbs, Please Stop! What is wrong with you?
    Andrew, I am sorry you were the victim of a false accusation, that sounds terrible. I understand there are a lot of things to be angry about in modern society, but please realize some of this is you and the way you view the world. Turn off your computer and go live your life.

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  157. on March 8, 2010 at 5:56 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “Women who ought to have said to themselves, “Well, I made a marriage vow, and that means something,so maybe I ought to stick with Todd,” recited to themselves this favorite 1970s divorce-rationalizing meme, “I got married too young [even though I was older than my mother was when she got married], and my friend Karen broke up with her boring old husband, and now she’s living with that cute fireman….” And so it went.”

    Why ought they have said this? I suppose saying so would have placated Todd in his complacency, but other than the boring part of boring Todd, who would benefit from women taking no action over the facts that 1) their husband was boring and 2) a husband was no longer vital to them.

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  158. on March 8, 2010 at 5:57 pm barbbabbs

    Andrew: “Barbbabbs, Please Stop! What is wrong with you?”

    Why the ad hominem attack?

    Aren’t you man enough to use logic and reason in debating me?

    Or perhaps logic don’t make your vagina tingle?

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  159. on March 8, 2010 at 5:58 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “I suppose saying so would have placated Todd in his complacency, but other than the boring part of boring Todd, who would benefit from women taking no action over the facts that 1) their husband was boring and 2) a husband was no longer vital to them.” <— even barbbabs could teach me a thing or two about grammar there.

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  160. on March 8, 2010 at 6:11 pm Laura

    Barbbabbs, it was me that asked you to please stop.
    I’m sorry Andrew I accidentally typed your name instead of my own.
    I also want to thank Charlotte for her insight. It was one of the best threads I’ve read on here, largely due to her comments.

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  161. on March 8, 2010 at 6:17 pm MSB

    Doug1,

    Can you contact me via email? I have a couple brief q’s regarding legal topics on which you’ve shown yourself knowledgeable.

    Maybe you too, “Esquire”, if you’re out there.

    michael.s.beauregard@gmail.com
    Thanks

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  162. on March 8, 2010 at 6:19 pm barbbabbs

    laura writes, “Barbbabbs, it was me that asked you to please stop.
    I’m sorry Andrew I accidentally typed your name instead of my own.
    I also want to thank Charlotte for her insight. It was one of the best threads I’ve read on here, largely due to her comments.”

    lozlzlzlzl!!

    i soooo knew “andrew” had a vagina! hence the ad hominem attack. lozzllzlzlzl!

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  163. on March 8, 2010 at 6:24 pm barbbabbs

    MSB,

    Can you contact me via email? I have a couple brief q’s regarding legal topics on which you’ve shown yourself knowledgeable.

    Message boards are the best place to get legal advice on the internet, and I hope our relationship can develop.

    I picture you, me, and Ms. Allen hanging out at a fancy dc necocon (fiat funded) bistro pretending that Tucker Max is 6 feet tall and that he bags hot chicks as opposed to chicks so fat their arms flow into their bras and make their boobs look bigger, while our best and brightest die on foreign shores in foreign wars.

    lolzlzl!!

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  164. on March 8, 2010 at 6:28 pm sdaedalus

    This guy barbbabbs should have his own blog.

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  165. on March 8, 2010 at 6:28 pm dana

    this blog attracts hebephrenics at an alarming rate

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  166. on March 8, 2010 at 6:31 pm sdaedalus

    Hebephrenia and genius often go together, lolzlzl!!

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  167. on March 8, 2010 at 6:39 pm barbbabbs

    lozlzlz my own blog

    i can’t decide if i want to work for blogger or wordpress for free yet, growing their brand while battling fiat-funded blog-hog feminists bitchin’ about my grammar. lozlzl!

    maybe i’ll just tweet in this new era of “socialist” media.

    it’s awesome how social media destroyed teh music industry, all bacyuse some fiat-funded feminist law professor said “information wants to be free tee hee hee” and then felt her vagina get a tingly tingly.

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  168. on March 8, 2010 at 6:39 pm Jimmy

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/08/dating.game.killer/index.html?hpt=T2

    Look at this. Convicted Serial Killer Won on the Dating Game.

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  169. on March 8, 2010 at 6:41 pm barbbabbs

    sdaedalus! a fan of james joyce!

    have you ever met a woman who ever picked up a great book for teh fun of it?

    virgil does not equal vagina tingly winglies so no!! hell no!!

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  170. on March 8, 2010 at 6:45 pm whiskey

    Ms. Allen — Blaming Islamic violence is evading the question. Germans are no more or less anti-Semitic and Xenophobic than they were in 1933. Japanese no less Shintoists now than they were in 1936. Muslims no different now than they were in 1688, or 1532, or 722. What changed was technology and globalization leveling the playing field, and that same dynamic (i.e. life so unpleasant seeming that a violent suicide by killing people seems like a good idea.

    You don’t see dirt poor Muslims barely avoiding starvation: Mauritanians, denizens of Niger or Chad, for example, in jihad much.

    Sure McVeigh, Klebold, Harris, and the rest were mentally ill. But Chuck is right, the sort of “consumerist” society that produces “luxury consumption” models of relationships is quite toxic. A boy of 17 who is not among the HS Alphas feels his life is that of a total loser. Society used to control the amount of winning and losing and channel the losers constructively. We’ve had cheap, repeating firearms since the 1860’s (the Henry held 18 rounds!) and yet only with the current sexual revolution do we see guys going out and killing, often, women they don’t even know. This is very unusual.

    Like gore movies reveling in the slaughter of hot chicks, this is completely opposite of what society *USED* to be: guys finding manhood by slaughtering the monster/bad guy and protecting-saving-getting the girl. That’s the model from Perseus to Beowulf to King Arthur and beyond.

    It takes a lot of complete anger to desire a flaming death, or being shot. People who simply despair usually just overdose.

    There are no “good women” to be found in Churches. Religious women are no different really in outlook, preferences, and so on from any other. Indeed if Sandra Tsing Loh and others writing about “Kitchen Bitches” are to be believed, pursuing religious women is a recipe for disaster for beta men. The only solution is not to be beta.

    Which in its turn is again, highly unusual and different from Western norms in the last thousand years or so. It means provider status, and all the associated characteristics: faithfulness, loyalty, agreeability, helpfulness, and so on are either irrelevant or actually harmful to long term relationships or marriage. Instead, social domination, aggressiveness, high social value demonstrations, cocky behavior, playfulness, and so on are absolutely essential. I am fairly negative on most men being able to fill this role without massive re-tooling of culture to tell men from infancy through young adulthood that they must be exciting sexual objects for women to find romantic happiness, not steady, beta providers.

    In any event, it seems a steady path towards Chav Britain or the Black underclass.

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  171. on March 8, 2010 at 6:48 pm sdaedalus

    What can I say? James Joyce himself would be proud.

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  172. on March 8, 2010 at 6:55 pm sdaedalus

    Barbabbs: what’s your view on Christian marriage? or disposable nappies?

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  173. on March 8, 2010 at 6:56 pm barbbabbs

    lozlzlz whiskey!

    all your proper grammar and caps tip your hand as a beta, bowing before the neocon feminist grammar police.

    man up dude. women hate grammar.

    they say they like it, but have you ever been to a club and seen what they grind to?

    you think fitty cent makes their ginas tingle with ms. allen’s “grammar” demands!

    no!

    as soon as ms allen feel she can control my grammer, next thing you know she’ll be putting me in some neocon fema camp, working on a farm to support all the fat women that her sexual hero tucker max (who lies about his height and films anal sex with women without tehir consent which makes him a stud in ms. allen’s neocon book) fathered while banging fat chicks who ms. allen tries to tell us are hot.

    just the size of the arms of the “hot” chick ms allen holds up as the paragon of women would require a man to work night and day in a fema camp, to feed teh fat arms that flow into the chix boobs and make them big in ms. allen’s book.

    lozllz!

    man up whiskey, grow a pair, and listen to chris rock!

    or be a betamale working in a fema camp farm to feed the fatasss, short tucker max offspring, which to ms. allen will be the new master race! lozzlzl!

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  174. on March 8, 2010 at 7:01 pm Thursday

    Muslims no different now than they were in 1688, or 1532, or 722.

    Radical Islam only became a force in the Middle East after the collapse of Marxism and Pan-Arab nationalism. Radical Islam was now the only game in town for those looking for a radical ideology. Again, Whiskey reduces everything to his favourite hobbyhorses.

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  175. on March 8, 2010 at 7:01 pm barbbabbs

    christian marriage requires virgin chix.

    right now they all show up at chucrch on tehir 32nd birthday after “knowing” more cocks than you’ve had socks in your life, asking to be forgiven for the sins of all the men who pumped them and dumped them!

    you can either

    a) be in chucrch forgiving them & promising to buy them and tehir three kids by three dads tickets to disney land
    b) be pumping and dumping the fresh crop of nineteen year olds…

    lozzlzlzlzl!

    or c) reading articles written in necocon mags by women who think fat chix are hot and tucker max is six feet tall and successful. lzozlzlzl!~

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  176. on March 8, 2010 at 7:03 pm barbbabbs

    Thursday

    Wake teh f up man!

    Radical islam has nothing to do with the 47.3 cox your wife will take every which way before you are expected to love, honor, and support her with vaginamony and child support after she takes teh kids that aren’t even yours lozlzl!

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  177. on March 8, 2010 at 7:06 pm roissy

    i’m really beginning to reevaluate the benefits of moving to moderation.

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  178. on March 8, 2010 at 7:09 pm barbbabbs

    i like the way you spell, roissy.

    what spell check software do you use?

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  179. on March 8, 2010 at 7:10 pm sdaedalus

    Barbabbs – you didn’t deal with the disposable nappies point lolz

    Roissy, you musn’t allow yourself to be upstaged by Barbabbs, c’mon, give us some sugar, baby

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  180. on March 8, 2010 at 7:10 pm sdaedalus

    Moderation not playing fair here.

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  181. on March 8, 2010 at 7:11 pm Doug1

    feministx–

    Why ought they have said this? I suppose saying so would have placated Todd in his complacency, but other than the boring part of boring Todd, who would benefit from women taking no action over the facts that 1) their husband was boring and 2) a husband was no longer vital to them.

    The problem comes from women who leave for these reasons being able to collect very high levels of child support=alimony, and get half of even a very affluent or even rich husband’s accumulated wealth, which they’ve often contributed little to but rather complained, after the fact or on the eve of divorce, about his workaholism (while loving all the proceeds he willingly shared with her). In some states even lifetime alimony as well in addition to child support , or after the children are of age. In virtually all states transitional alimony for three or four years for a wife who’s wasn’t working at the time of divorce or only working part time or “below her capacity”, even though she could have been and even though her staying at home is virtually always the wife’s primary and in fact sole decision, as dictated by current feminist American culture.

    In a phrase, American feminist divorce theft, the worst in the world.

    As well it’s completely false that women never divorce alpha men. Sure the odds go down but the peril is still high in America today, especially if she’s in her twenties or mid twenties at marriage and is and stays hot. They’re also less if he’s way hotter in male ways than she is in female one’s, a male 9 to her female 6, or 7. But that rarely happens with a full male 9. (There are reasons for a male 9 to not go higher than a female 8 for marriage though, esp. if he wants to play around some, which is almost axiomatic these days in solid alphas, unless he remains very old school religious.)

    The fact remains that despite the female hypergamy that worked for him initially and still does, esp. if there’s at least some gap in male hotness vs. female hotness), there’s still the strong tendency for chemical bonding to lessen a lot after 18mo to 4 years, more like the later w/a solid male alpha. There remain other kinds of bonding but they merge into deep friendship levened w/continued sexual attraction, but way less or no longer any inability to feel any strong attraction for other alpha males. Instead new ones have inherently greater hypergamous attraction after this time period, other things being anywhere close to equal. The more so the more she’s been promiscuous and/or had her heart seriously bonded and then broken a number of times previously. If there isn’t a strong IDEOLOGICAL or social shaming reinforcement to her continuing bond, still hot women are bound to feel strong temptations to stray, and act upon them. Once she’s cheated after the initial infatuated bonding period has dissippated, there will be a strong tendency for her to bond just as strongly with new alpha as she did with her alpha husband initially, with a level of infatuation she no longer remotely feels as strongly for him.

    Most females at this stage will backdate falling completely out of romantic love with her husband to before she began the affair, and will feel justified in leaving her husband and feeling justified under current feminist ideology as it’s actually practiced, in soaking him for all he’s worth, even though he remains alpha.

    Yeah sometimes or often alpha male cheating (even if it was tacitly or early on explicitly agreed to) will often be seized upon as the precipitating event or cause, but men rarely leave their wives if they keep themselves looking hot for their age and keep giving good if perhaps somewhat less frequent sex. Female cheating on the other hand will usually lead to the WOMAN wanting divorce and either filing for it or maneuvering husband to by e.g. refusing to sex him, even if the husband would forgive it, if she truly wants to rebuild the bond. Under earlier ideologies women would rarely leave their husbands for discrete (on his part) cheating, provided he continued to remain a good and loving husband. Husbands rarely want to stop having sex with their wives if they’ve remained attractive and non harridans, unlike cheating wives. Men are polygamous (if highly sexed and attractive and often even if they aren’t), women are hypergamous. Stopping having sex with his wife defeats or at least diminishes his polygamous satisfaction. That’s real.

    Those are among the things wrong with it. Though I haven’t even mentioned the destructive effect upon children, compared to remaining in a solid and deeply affectionate marriage, if no longer wildly infatuated one.

    Current American feminist divorce theft is deeply unfair to men – and in the long run children. (We don’t determine whether or not the birth mother can retain custody by whether the adoptive family she initially agreed to let adopt her child but then reversed herself, by which family has the most money to use among other things for raising the child. The adoptive ones almost always do, at the time of adoption. Instead we say that money is secondary to natural parental ties, if the birth parents aren’t seriously behaviorly disfunctional such that they’ll likely neglect or abuse their children by e.g. being addicted to a seriously debilitating drug.)

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  182. on March 8, 2010 at 7:22 pm PatrickH

    I feel and see your pain, Roissy. Good luck with this latest, ah, project to show up here.

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  183. on March 8, 2010 at 7:23 pm sdaedalus

    I feel I’m at the Mad Hatter’s tea-party. Where’s the Vorpal Sword?

    If this is moderated (or amended) my suspicions will be confirmed.

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  184. on March 8, 2010 at 7:23 pm sdaedalus

    I feel I’m at the Mad Hatter’s tea-party. Where’s the Vorpal Sword?

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  185. on March 8, 2010 at 7:25 pm sdaedalus

    I think my rationalisation hamster just went on strike.

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  186. on March 8, 2010 at 7:29 pm Charlotte Allen

    Yes, I’ve given up. Thanks for the space, Roissy–and I’ve really enjoyed the discussion with the rest of you, especially Laura, Thursday, Clio, and Doug1. But it’s time to say farewell.

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  187. on March 8, 2010 at 7:30 pm Racer X

    Charlotte Allen,

    Since you are clearly a woman of good humor I will apologize for my crude statements about you. As often, the things I say were meant in jest, and not in seriousness. An intelligent and good natured woman goes a long way for me, so to make it up to you I will offer you my services, for free. If you like I will even throw in Clio and we can all have a threesome. Sound good? Just be prepared to serve your husband divorce papers shortly after.

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  188. on March 8, 2010 at 7:34 pm Charlotte Allen

    Racer X, rest assured that I never take anything you write seriously.

    I’m flattered by your carnal offer, but it would be too cruel to add the insult of divorce theft (see Doug1 above) to the injury of adultery–and Clio would have to break her engagement!

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  189. on March 8, 2010 at 7:37 pm Laura

    Doug1,
    Why do you think a man would get married in the first place if the odds are so stacked against him?

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  190. on March 8, 2010 at 7:39 pm Racer X

    Charlotte Allen,

    Don’t you know that I always fall in love with the women I cannot have? First Clio broke my heart, now you. Alas. At least I tried…

    Good luck. I look forward to reading whatever you may write in the future.

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  191. on March 8, 2010 at 7:40 pm alias clio

    Whiskey, I don’t understand this part of your comment: “Religious women are no different really in outlook, preferences, and so on from any other. Indeed if Sandra Tsing Loh and others writing about ‘Kitchen Bitches’ are to be believed, pursuing religious women is a recipe for disaster for beta men.” This is a complete non sequitur, unless you know something I don’t about the subject. What do STL and her ilk have to do with religious women? None of the recent articles I’ve seen on this subject have been written by women claiming any sort of religious affiliation, including those by STL herself. No search I’ve done on the latter turns up any info on her religious background. So what on earth are you talking about here?

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  192. on March 8, 2010 at 7:43 pm Anonymous

    Doug1 said: “Most females at this stage will backdate falling completely out of romantic love with her husband to before she began the affair, and will feel justified in leaving her husband and feeling justified under current feminist ideology as it’s actually practiced, in soaking him for all he’s worth, even though he remains alpha.”

    Bring back “fault” divorce– cheater gets sh*t… no house, alimony or kids, see ya!

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  193. on March 8, 2010 at 7:45 pm Charlotte Allen

    I second Clio. When I read Whiskey’s post, I thought, “Sandra Tsing Loh? Religion? What religion?”

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  194. on March 8, 2010 at 7:50 pm barbbabbs

    omg i brought up virgil and ms. allen took of tunning!!

    lozlzl!!

    the great books and classics are like kryptonite to aging neocon women who think tucker max is six feet tall and bangs hot chicks with c cups, wherein reality he is a lying douchevag who videotapes anal sex with chicks without their consent and the chicks he bangs are fatty moon faces whose arms are soo fat that you know the fat flows on into their a cups making them c cups. the weekly standard forgot to mention this. lozlzlz!!

    why does ms. allen detest virgil?

    * Facilis descensus Averni:
    noctes atque dies patet atri ianua Ditis;
    sed revocare gradium superasque evadere ad auras.
    hoc opus, hic labor est.
    o Translation: It is easy to go down into Hell;
    Night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide;
    But to climb back again, to retrace one’s steps to the upper air –
    There’s the rub, the task.
    o Book VI, line 126, The Aeneid

    hows that for some grammar ms. allen? does latin make your gina tingle wingle?

    teh weekly standard ought be focused on bringing us on back up.

    but instead you do the easy thing. lozzllzlz! you go down. lzozlzlzl!!

    descensus Averni

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  195. on March 8, 2010 at 7:53 pm barbbabbs

    when an alpha shows up the betas all call him a “project,” trying t impress the aging neocon woman who says she has left but who is reading my words and can’t wait for me 2 start a blog of my own.

    tingle-wingle!!

    lzozozll!

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  196. on March 8, 2010 at 7:57 pm Charlotte Allen

    Cut it out, Barbbabbs, I’ve taught Virgil. I’m the Latin queen. The reason I came back is because I’d thought you’d left.

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  197. on March 8, 2010 at 8:02 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “The problem comes from women who leave for these reasons being able to collect very high levels of child support=alimony, and get half of even a very affluent or even rich husband’s accumulated wealth, which they’ve often contributed little to but rather complained, after the fact or on the eve of divorce, about his workaholism (while loving all the proceeds he willingly shared with her). ”

    The divorce laws in place come from the one size fits all mentality of previous eras. Society used to pressure most all men to conform to one gender role while also pressuring most women to conform to what they considered a complimentary role. Then the courts decided that the tendency was for women to be stuck in unfortunate marriages because they could not afford to support children on their own or because they could not get custody of children on their own. Hence, divorce courts make a default decision that mothers get primary custody, estates must be divided by half and fathers must pay child support.

    But it’s time to do away with this notion women are one way while men are monolithically another way. People can be all sorts of things in relationships- butch lesbians, swingers, stay at home dads, abused, abusers etc.

    The sensible thing is to do away with the vestige of the past that dictates that the state must sanction marriage as one certain kind of arrangement. We’ve never benefitted from forcing social arrangements when freedom is an option. It’s time for libertarian marital contracts. Marriage should be a contract like any other. You get to put anything in it so long as it doesn’t break some other law. You want your marital vows to expire in 5 years? Why can’t get that in your marriage license? You want to say that in case of divorce, she gets what she made and he gets what he made? What are the ethical grounds for preventing people from deciding for themselves that that’s how they want it?

    In any case, the solution is not to do away with the sexual revolution because its not the inherent problem. And personally, I enjoy it way too much, so I won’t give it up. The solution is to re evaluate our antiquated biases and laws and improve them so that they support fair behavior in a liberated secular world.

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  198. on March 8, 2010 at 8:09 pm barbbabbs

    Well then, if you have taught the Latin thinkers then you would know that unlike aging neocon women, they did not consider the filming of butthex with women without their consent was an heroic deed.

    could you really see virgil writing for the weekly standard? nlozlzl!!

    the greeks also had a great appreciation for beauty, and their statues weren’t moon-face, slutty fatties like the chix you exalt in your tucker-max-is-our-neocon-lord-and-savior-sperminator craptastic tree-killing piece.

    lzozlzl! neocons.

    never will they let a real man write what needs to be written,
    as by a fiat currency they are so smitten.

    butthex! women r cooler than virgil as he is a dead white male = epic fail lozzlzl!! lozlzlzl!

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  199. on March 8, 2010 at 8:10 pm barbbabbs

    feministx.blogspot.com writes, “In any case, the solution is not to do away with the sexual revolution because its not the inherent problem. And personally, I enjoy it way too much, so I won’t give it up.”

    you and your future cats.

    lozzlozll!

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  200. on March 8, 2010 at 8:11 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    “lozzlzl!! lozlzlzl!”

    SRSLY?

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  201. on March 8, 2010 at 8:14 pm sdaedalus

    How many of you are there?

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  202. on March 8, 2010 at 8:16 pm barbbabbs

    guess who is going to be the new james bond that like tucker max lies about his height and films anal sex with girls without their consent en route to becoming ms. charlotte allen’s “alpha” males?

    guess who!!

    wait for it….

    wait for it….

    wait for it….

    wait for it….

    wait for it….

    sean neoconnery!!!!

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  203. on March 8, 2010 at 8:20 pm barbbabbs

    just one

    i will announce my bolg here tomorrow or teh next day or when i fell like it…

    3pic pwning roissy and ms. charlotte allen was way 2 easy

    loloz!

    i even throw them bones like spelling “blog” “bolg” above so that ivy leaugue neocons can feel smarter than me even though i am t0tally pwn1ng them.

    the spelling of league above gave ms. allen’s gina more tingly wingies than a girl humping my leg to a ludacris song. lozlzl!

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  204. on March 8, 2010 at 8:23 pm sdaedalus

    barbabbs, how come we haven’t heard from you on this blog before? It’s hard to imagine forgetting about a man who can use the term “ad hominem” correctly. What was it that pushed you over the edge to contribute, so to speak? Do tell.

    PS You’re a well-read man, it seems. Who’s the fictional character you feel closest to?

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  205. on March 8, 2010 at 8:26 pm Tupac Chopra

    Good Charlotte:

    I’m flattered by your crude attentions, Racer, but you’re confusing me with Clio, who is lovely in every way (I met her on a trip to Ottawa a couple of weeks ago)

    Um…did she, uh, happen to mention my name by any chance? I gots to know.

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  206. on March 8, 2010 at 8:27 pm barbbabbs

    call me ishmael.

    i think i am goibng to have to draw pictrues so you guys and neocon owmen can understand what is going on.

    words words words

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  207. on March 8, 2010 at 8:29 pm sdaedalus

    ishmael? wasn’t he related to esau?

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  208. on March 8, 2010 at 8:31 pm sdaedalus

    Also related to David?

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  209. on March 8, 2010 at 8:33 pm Andrew S.

    “Andrew, I am sorry you were the victim of a false accusation, that sounds terrible. I understand there are a lot of things to be angry about in modern society, but please realize some of this is you and the way you view the world. Turn off your computer and go live your life.”

    The fact that women can make these accusations with such ease, and that there are more than just a few innocent men in prison right now because of false accusations is something that should have all men angry. American men have been screwed over by shitty law after shitty law, and I was pointing out how I could have very easily gone to prision.

    I agree with you to a certain extent though. These laws and modern American society are probably not going to change, at least until we hit rock bottom. That’s why it’s nice to have the cash to be able to leave this country in a couple years, and get away from the feminist doctorine and the men who have been indoctrinated.

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  210. on March 8, 2010 at 8:37 pm Charlotte Allen

    Tupac:

    I know this will break your vulnerable heart, and I feel your pain even as I type, but your name didn’t come up. But that doesn’t mean she couldn’t have been thinking about you–so take heart.

    Charlotte

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  211. on March 8, 2010 at 8:38 pm Andrew S.

    I agree with feministix. She should be allowed to be as slutty as she wants. The real problem is not with her, but all the laws that enable her behavior.

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  212. on March 8, 2010 at 8:39 pm sdaedalus

    Charlotte

    I clicked on your name, but it doesn’t seem to take me to your blog? Why not?

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  213. on March 8, 2010 at 8:44 pm Charlotte Allen

    Sdaedalus: I don’t have a blog.

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  214. on March 8, 2010 at 8:48 pm sdaedalus

    That explains it.

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  215. on March 8, 2010 at 8:52 pm sdaedalus

    Charlotte

    What’s your taste in literature. Do you savor it?

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  216. on March 8, 2010 at 8:57 pm sdaedalus

    Why are there no links to anyone on this page apart from me & Willy Wonka?

    I have to say, this beats Gypsy Drag game hollow.

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  217. on March 8, 2010 at 9:00 pm sdaedalus

    Roissy, you’re a genius.

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  218. on March 8, 2010 at 9:12 pm Tupac Chopra

    I know this will break your vulnerable heart, and I feel your pain even as I type, but your name didn’t come up.

    You lie! You filthy liar!

    But that doesn’t mean she couldn’t have been thinking about you

    YESSS!!

    \m/

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  219. on March 8, 2010 at 9:35 pm sdaedalus

    But then you’re a Very Important Person (VIP for short)

    With a lot of Blogorrah?

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  220. on March 8, 2010 at 9:38 pm sdaedalus

    Please tell me that at least Poetry of Flesh was real?

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  221. on March 8, 2010 at 9:40 pm Racer X

    Tupac,

    I am sorry dude, but the lovely Miss Clio thinks only about me. I know someday we shall be finally united in our love. Sorry. You need to move on.

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  222. on March 8, 2010 at 9:41 pm sdaedalus

    Can I get a share of the loot? I’m heavy into negative equity here.

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  223. on March 8, 2010 at 9:45 pm scum bag billy

    performance art

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  224. on March 8, 2010 at 9:46 pm Chuck

    CA is negging the ever-living shit out of some of the commenters here. If she were a man, she’d clean house…figuratively.

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  225. on March 8, 2010 at 9:50 pm sdaedalus

    Just make sure you make some money out of this.

    Are my suspicions as to your identity correct, in which case we may be related.

    Or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely?

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  226. on March 8, 2010 at 9:55 pm Tupac Chopra

    I am sorry dude, but the lovely Miss Clio thinks only about me. I know someday we shall be finally united in our love. Sorry. You need to move on.

    I called dibs, brother. Just check the archives.

    Perhaps Miss Clio should be the one to render her Athenian judgement…after our DUEL.

    Mr. X: I demand satisfaction!

    (no homo)

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  227. on March 8, 2010 at 10:44 pm Charlotte Allen

    Sdaedalus: What tastes do I savor in literature? I’m very fond of poetry and also novels, the longer the better, in whose worlds I can lose myself. I’m rereading “War and Peace” off and on right now (I read it for the first time in college), and the characters are so vivid–the Rostovs, the Bolkonskys, the Bezhukovs–that I can put the novel down for weeks, pick it back up, and remember everything. It’s hard to believe that the author of this richly textured, hyper-realistic work ended his life a a radical-anarchist nutcase.

    I like your blog, Sdaedalus. The idea of analyzing the plots in terms of Roissy-esque game is very witty.

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  228. on March 8, 2010 at 10:45 pm Charlotte Allen

    Specifically, the plot of “Jane Eyre.” Sdaedalus’s blog is a hoot.

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  229. on March 8, 2010 at 11:41 pm Puma

    NOW Fires Back at Fathers & Families over Campaign to Ask DSM to Include Parental Alienation in Upcoming Edition

    http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=6320

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  230. on March 9, 2010 at 1:22 am barbbabbs

    hey charlotte,

    you still haven’t told us why your article in the weekly standard lionizes tucker max who lies about his height and has butthex with women while taping it without their consent.

    what is the weekly standard’s deeper purpose for promoting tucker max?

    why tucker max and not, say, russell kirk or virgil or homer?

    aeneas was a pious man in the aeneid.

    tucker max is a sodomite douchetard.

    why do you hate on aeaneas and get all gina-tingly for tucker?

    why whyw hwywwhwhwywhwhwy?

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  231. on March 9, 2010 at 3:01 am Bardesio

    Roissy,

    Why not just moderate capriciously? It’s your blog, you can do what you like with it. If you find a thread engages your attention with numerous intelligent posts (a rare enough case of course), then clean it up for your own greater pleasure by whacking the unwashed. Your taste seems to be flawless, so I am sure that you’d kick-ban only those who truly deserved it.

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  232. on March 9, 2010 at 6:16 am Breeze

    @ Charlotte Allen

    “It’s hard to believe that the author of this richly textured, hyper-realistic work ended his life a a radical-anarchist nutcase.”

    You do realise that War and Peace is a fatalist story about people who inevitably end up dooming themselves by their own weak natures and rigid social structures….sounds like the sort of ideas that lead a man to become a ‘radical-anarchist nutcase’.

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  233. on March 9, 2010 at 10:52 am barbbabbs

    Bardesio writes, “Why not just moderate capriciously? … Your taste seems to be flawless.”

    am i the only one who gets a picture in their head of two dudes in shiny shirts at a dc bar, one saying to the other, Why not just moderate capriciously? … Your taste seems to be flawless,” as he pats him on the butt?

    lolz!

    made you laugh!

    beta males h8 it when a starnger shows up and makes funnny. lozlzlllzlzl! moder8! moder8! moder8! they scream, realizing that their harvard mbas and shiny shirts aren’t enough, but that martial law will be needed.

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  234. on March 9, 2010 at 11:33 am Charlotte Allen

    Breeze: I have gotten only as far as Natasha’s engagement to Prince Andrei and her brother Nikolai’s return to the Rostov estate to (apparently) bungle the management even more than it has already been bungled by his hapless father. There is a long, Homeric hunting set-piece that provides a vivid sense of the Russian countryside and the Russian autumn. Sad to say, I can’t remember much about the novel from my earlier reading long ago, except for the names of some of the characters and the Battle of Borodino. There is a hint–but only a tiny hint–of the Tolstoy who will turn into the fanatical Tolstoy of “The Last Station” (a movie I haven’t seen but ought to rent from Netflix), mostly in the person of Pierre, whose spiritual development probably parallels Tolstoy’s own. I find Pierre an irritating and ultimately boring character. To borrow a leaf from Sdaedalus’s book, he’s classic beta who’s let himself be fleeced by Prince Vassily and his appalling offspring. I keep saying, “Hey, Pierre, why don’t you give some of that money to the Rostovs? They need it.” Prince Andrei is the novel’s most complex and interesting character, but doesn’t he die at some point? (No, don’t tell me the end–one of my sisters sent me the 1966 Russian-language movie, but I refuse to watch it until I’ve finished the book.)

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  235. on March 9, 2010 at 11:36 am Anonymous

    barbbabbs inane commenting makes me yearn for the days lurker would hound mandy.

    dude, stop being such a douche.

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  236. on March 9, 2010 at 11:52 am Default User

    Regarding the “entitlement” of young (or indeed any) men to sex, I think it is less to do with feelings of entitlement and more to do with expectations.

    No body expects an unattractive woman to magically become beautiful. It is true that she will still suffer sleights and disapproval in the dating market but nobody blames her. However, we deem the unattractive man a loser for his inability to make himself attractive. In effect we do blame him for what nature provided.
    [I am talking about those that have poor features, not those whose unattractiveness is solely due to excess weight]

    We expect men to be able to fix themselves. We expect the man that was born “beta” to be able to change himself into an alpha (become more beautiful, as it were). We tend to assume that his lack of sexual success is entirely his fault, as compared to the result of genetic gifts.

    However, we are not blank slates. Like intelligence (and indeed, beauty), social dominance is mostly inborn. Similar to intelligence there may be some interventions that create an improvement in the trait, but mostly those results are bounded by our natural gifts.

    Just as the unattractive woman can take actions to improve her appearance (e.g., makeup or flattering clothing), a man can take actions to raise his swagger. We do not expect her to become a beauty. We do not blame her for her remaining lack of attractiveness. But, we do blame the man who cannot raise his game. We see his inability to overcome nature as weakness on his part. We do blame him for his lack of remaining attractiveness.

    So the unattractive woman may be without a partner. She, and others will see her unhappiness, as a cruel twist of faith. The unattractive man may be without a partner. He, and others will see his unhappiness, as a personal failing.

    This difference in blame leads to a lot of the bitterness and anger.

    [editor: i think a lot of the bitterness and anger of loser guys stems from the fact that men have stronger sex drives than women. an unquenched sexual appetite can twist a mind into anguish.]

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  237. on March 9, 2010 at 12:31 pm Tinderbox

    @anonymous:

    Bring back “fault” divorce– cheater gets sh*t… no house, alimony or kids, see ya!

    Amen brotha. Once that happens I’ll be happy to buy into marriage.

    @NRWO

    NR has a few columnists with a cheeky sense of humor and satire, John Derbyshire being one of them. (His Derb radio broadcasts are hilarious.)

    It was Derbyshire who first clued me in to Roissy about a year ago.

    Although National Review has been around much longer than The Weekly Standard, NR is hardly a bunch of fuddy duddies. Its editor and many of its star writers are GenX. Its editorial stances are often libertarian, such as support for drug legalization. It has some real comedic talent in columnists and contributors such as Mark Steyn and Jonah Goldberg. You find as much informed discussion of lighter pop culture as there is of the heavy policy stuff. Particularly in NRO’s excellent blog, The Corner.

    P.S. The troll would be less of a buffoon if he understood the actual meaning of “neocon”. It’s not a synonym for “modern non-Democrat”.

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  238. on March 9, 2010 at 12:55 pm Andrew S.

    “So the unattractive woman may be without a partner. She, and others will see her unhappiness, as a cruel twist of faith. The unattractive man may be without a partner. He, and others will see his unhappiness, as a personal failing.

    This difference in blame leads to a lot of the bitterness and anger.”

    Average women and unattractive women can still find mates. And this is the difference. Hell, any average woman can go pretty much anywhere and pick up any guy she wants. Now, whether he sticks around in the morning is a different story.

    American women are becoming increasingly hypergammous, and you are finding average looking women who don’t want to settle for average men. When women who are 5’s and 6’s won’t give men who are 5’s and 6’s a second look, you are going to find a lot of angry men.

    I think if men understood the hypergamous nature of women, and how America has set up the perfect system for women to take advantage of this trait they have, well, you might see fewer angry men. Or maybe they would be less angry.

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  239. on March 9, 2010 at 1:31 pm barbbabbs

    hey roissy….

    what’s up with u allowing all the ad hominem attacks, while censoring my posts?

    at least, if you are going to allow ad hominem attacks, let me be me so they can have more fun attacking me!! lozl!

    he fundamental thing that everyone is missing is that the neocons are exalting beta males such as tucker max as alpha males, while ignoring the true alphas they send to foreign shores to die in their wars.

    charlotte,

    please allow me to draw your attention to usmc Corporal Jason L. Dunham.

    http://www.jasonsmemorial.org/about.html

    “On April 14, 2004, 3 days after Easter Sunday, Corporal Dunham was manning a checkpoint in Karabilah, Iraq, when an insurgent leapt from his car and began choking Corporal Dunham. A scuffle ensued as two Marines approached to help. Reportedly, the last words from Corporal Dunham were, “No, No. Watch his hand.” Suddenly, the insurgent dropped a grenade. Corporal Dunham took off his Kevlar helmet, dropped to the ground, and covered the explosive as best he could.

    The blast seriously wounded all 3 Marines. Eight days later, Corporal Jason L. Dunham died at Bethesda Naval Hospital from wounds he received in the incident. He was 22. ”

    now the funny thing is that to the neocons the greater hero is Tucker Max, even though true heroes such as jason et al. are dying in the neocons’ war.

    Now our foxy Ms. Allen could have used the precious space in the Weekly Standard to give a shout out to a true American hero–Corporal Jason L. Dunham.

    But instead, she regurgitates tucker’s lies and corporate PR, as douchebaggery makes aging neocon’s ginas tingle, while true american heroism leaves them dry:

    “Tucker Max, 33, six feet tall, extrovertedly good-looking, and usually photographed latched to a girl, a bottle of booze, or a cheeseburger, is an honors graduate (in three years) of the University of Chicago. He has a law degree from Duke University, whose admissions committee was so impressed with his academic record that it awarded him an academic scholarship. . . Max is famous as a blogger (tuckermax.com), and his website is replete with stories like the ones above, all involving graphically rendered bedroom exploits (if your definition of bedroom includes vans, offices, and the great outdoors), massive quantities of alcohol, and copious vomiting. He is the author of several books, including The Definitive Book of Pickup Lines (2001, out of print but selling for close to $200 on Amazon), the 2006 blockbuster I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which spent more than 100 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list, and the forthcoming Assholes Finish First. Beer in Hell, a dramatization of some of his website yarns, became an indie movie hit in college towns last fall. ”

    Tucker lies about his height & success & films buttsex without the woman’s consent, and thus the weekly standard exalts him, while rejecting and ignoring all those true heroes jumping on grenades in their war.

    http://www.quotabletuckermax.com/
    http://tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com/

    [editor: i understand you’re disappointed that charlotte allen didn’t write about virgil. but, you know, expressing your disappointment once is enough.]

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  240. on March 9, 2010 at 2:33 pm barbbabbs

    roissy dude,

    you’re missing the point.

    the weekly standard hates true heroes and genuine conservatism.

    they love butthexers like tucker max.

    that is why they wire $$$$$ 2 charlotte allen to not only write about degradation and debauchery and douchebaggery, but TO EXALT IT AND REPEAT TUCKER’S CORPORATE FIAT LIES!!!

    is it not important for mrs. allen to man up and write TRUTH if she is gong to claim to be writing TRUTH instead of odes to secretive tapings of butthexx without the girl’s consent?

    why does she find the need to exalt and protect tucker max as a hottie sperminator hero, while ignoring and neglecting true heroes such as corporal jason l. dunham?

    lozlzlzlzlzlz!

    again, i repeat the neocons

    a) exalt beta traits as alpha traits
    b) ignore true alphas

    they care not for marriage nor the family, but like ms. allen, only empty adulation as they spiritually and monetarily bankrupt a nation in pursuit of snarky h8er power.

    lozlzl!

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  241. on March 9, 2010 at 5:11 pm Doug1

    Laura–

    Why do you think a man would get married in the first place if the odds are so stacked against him?

    You asked “would” rather than “should”. Because most men haven’t taken the red pill. It’s not like it’s taught in school, in most homes these days, or in the media.

    Partly this is factual ignorance. Most men who haven’t gotten divorced or were divorced in an unusually benign way or with unusually benign circumstances only have the dimmest of ideas how bad it usually is, especially if there are young kids or he earns significantly more and it’s not a brief marriage. This is beginning to change.

    But mostly it’s a matter of looking at the current scene from some combination of an old fashioned chivalry frame ill adapted to current circumstances and a post feminist one taught in our schools and media and most upper half white families these days as well.

    As for should I think men shouldn’t unless they want children right away (live together beforehand and don’t cave if she says she’ll move out unless) and then only with a pre-nup that provides for no alimony period and less than an equal split of the assets unless perhaps it’s the husband who abandons the marriage for reasons other than the wife’s fault. Not sexing him or becoming obese are fault. In circumstances where she might reasonably get some alimony she will be getting child support which includes a stealth alimony component esp. for high earning men. Child support can’t be effectively changed from state determined levels in prenups (the courts will ignore it) except in some states for very very high earners or if the man is very rich.

    After some point of wealth accumulation is reached, and I’m not talking centi-millions, I don’t think there should be an even split under any circumstances. Being a spouse isn’t worth that much. There are other fish in the sea. Such

    Yes I’d feel the same way in reverse, if she made a whole lot more of the money. But then again virtually no rich or on her way there woman marries a much less rich man without a prenup these days. Ask divorce lawyers who are hired by these women. Only men do. They’ve been propagandized, while the propagandizing of women is all about empowering them at the expense of men, though the later part is often left unsaid.

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  242. on March 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm Racer X

    Tupac said, “Perhaps Miss Clio should be the one to render her Athenian judgement…after our DUEL.”

    I accept your challenge, Mr. Tupac. To the winner will go the pure and sacred hand of the lovely Miss Clio.

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  243. on March 9, 2010 at 8:45 pm Laura

    Doug1,
    Thanks for answering my question. I guess a lot of those laws about alimony and child support were made when women had little earning potential. It’s not necessarily easy for a woman to know what is fair. If she quits her job and stays home with her children, as I have, she is completely financially dependent on her husband. All in all, I think this makes me less likely to initiate a divorce, but if I had a job I wouldn’t be such a drain on my husband’s resources.

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  244. on March 9, 2010 at 10:50 pm Tupac Chopra

    Racer X:

    I accept your challenge, Mr. Tupac. To the winner will go the pure and sacred hand of the lovely Miss Clio.

    Well we better hurry up and get this show on the road before the lovely Miss Clio becomes the rather less lovely *Mrs.* Clio.

    Although we haven’t much time to spare, I’m comforted that Clio the Good Catholic(*) doesn’t believe in sex before marriage. Thus the glory that awaits whomever prevails in battle will be untouched and pure.

    (*) I would be interested in hearing your considered opinion regarding Clio the Good Catholic festooned in a Catholic Schoolgirl outfit.

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  245. on March 10, 2010 at 1:01 am Doug1

    Laura–

    In my opinion having made the choices you have, and in the current environment, you should return to work in your field at least part time when all your kids are in school, and then before long move to at least light full time work. I.e. not much beyond 9-5. Unless perhaps your husband is very rich. If you don’t it’s your risk, is my view. You better make it work. Including maybe swallow it if he has a discrete indiscretion, but hasn’t stopped genuinely loving you and wanting to sex you and being a good father etc.

    With all kids in school and your not working you’re living a very easy life, however much many women will make noise and scream about that. Hell it was that way even when I was growing up and my mother didn’t work (for money). I had a brother six years younger which gave me added perspective as I got older. She ended up volunteering for various escalating in time and responsibility things, and then ended up president of the adoption agency of our upscale exurban county, while we, or anyway my two I think and certainly my youngest brother was still in high school. Actually I think she began her stint as president while my youngest bro was in junior high. It was a 9-5 type “job”.

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  246. on March 10, 2010 at 1:15 am alias clio

    My dear fellows, Clio is a Muse and can’t marry anyone, least of all a mere mortal. While that doesn’t rule out extracurricular liaisons, you should know that those mortals who took a tumble with one of the denizens of Mts Olympus or Parnassus usually regretted it, what with getting turned into shrubs, spiders, stone, etc., by angry or jealous gods and goddesses.

    Musette is the one who’s getting married. And she, poor creature, is much less interesting than her Muse.

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  247. on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 am Tupac Chopra

    Clio, Racer X is the “fellow.”

    I’m the bloke.

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  248. on March 10, 2010 at 6:28 am jeravincer

    hey great thread – genuine laughs, even accidental ones

    great reading from here in Australia – i, too, found the blog off the Allen article via Arts and Letters Daily

    one thing i don’t get – why would a true alpha have to manipulate chicks with scripts and set-ups etc?

    i just don’t see why he would (have to) bother

    most of this GAME shenanigans is just marketing BS and trouble-shooting for the clueless

    here’s a question – does a man have to make a choice between alfa-hood and being a good person?

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  249. on March 10, 2010 at 8:42 am sdaedalus

    I guess it depends on the definition of good person. Good=not necessarily perfect.

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  250. on March 10, 2010 at 8:43 am sdaedalus

    PS Perfection makes those less perfect feel bad & therefore by definition cannot really be good. Now I really have to go,

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  251. on March 10, 2010 at 11:40 am me me me

    Tupac said, “Perhaps Miss Clio should be the one to render her Athenian judgement…after our DUEL.”

    I accept your challenge, Mr. Tupac. To the winner will go the pure and sacred hand of the lovely Miss Clio

    ———————————————————————

    I didn’t know that someone so hot (Tupac) could be SOOOOOO incredibly dorky!

    hehe!

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  252. on March 10, 2010 at 12:18 pm Tupac Chopra

    Come with me
    And you’ll be
    In a world of pure imagination

    We’ll begin
    With a spin
    Travelling in
    The world of my creation…

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  253. on March 10, 2010 at 2:13 pm maurice

    Wow. I totally missed this thread in real time. Very unusual and interesting.

    To those who called me on dissing NR as out-of-date: point taken. I read it a lot in the late 80s/early 90s, when the founding generation who came in with Buckley, then a bunch of old men, were still in charge. That’s in part why I stopped reading, though I agreed with much of the politics.

    @ Charlotte Allen – you are awesome – come back any time. Seriously. Everyone here owes you a drink for the great piece you wrote. Although really, what is a PhD on Byzantium going to do for you? OTOH, I read the Norwood books and they are wonderful, so if you can spend your life immersed in that world, appeal noted.

    @ Barabbas – you are a loon who richly deserves second-tier crucifixion. Knock it off.

    @doug – welcome back. missed having you around, although I myself was in transition to a distant time zone earlier this year. How’s your Heloise? She’s absent too. Hope she’s well.

    @FemX- seriously, WTF is up with you? You spout views that are totally at odds with, totally hostile to, the worldview here and then you want to be cited in an article on Game in the WS? Is your narcissism that extreme? yeah, I know the answer to that. Drop dead, you twisted piece of shit.

    @clio- thanks to you for your contributions to the positive image of roissyworld. Am also mystified as to why you won’t at least acknowledge the depth, the boundlessness, the beauty, the GENIUS of Tupac’s e-love for you. Performance art of that quality and consistency deserves an e-Oscar, or whatever that might be. If you read here every day, and you do, you cannot but know that men will respond to the persona that you project, and that you choose to project. So really, you called e-Tupac into being, in way, like a Game Golem, and you are responsible for the peace of his soul. 🙂

    @Tupac – Willy Wonka, eh? Hopefully you had in mind Gene Wilder and not Johnny Depp.

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  254. on March 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm Tupac Chopra

    @Tupac – Willy Wonka, eh? Hopefully you had in mind Gene Wilder and not Johnny Depp.

    Sir, I am insulted you would even feel the need to express any doubt.

    Mel Stuart > Tim Burton

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  255. on March 10, 2010 at 7:14 pm Racer X

    Tupac:

    I am ready for this duel. Whether before or after Clio is married does not matter to me, for I would gladly seduce her in either state.

    I think Clio might be bit too old for the Catholic school girl outfit. However, ravaging Clio in her wedding dress on the night of her wedding, with her groom eagerly awaiting her at the altar, or even after the sacred marriage vows have been taken, but before the holy wedding night has been consummated, is something to consider.

    Even seducing Clio her daily and I imagine rather conservative outfits, perhaps in a library or an academic classroom, would also be a most delicious experience. She inspires me with such forbidden intentions. To see her pure and logical mind filled with the most lustful thoughts and desires is something any man would long for.

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  256. on March 10, 2010 at 10:18 pm Fred

    Roissy,

    It would be idiotic to assume from your Sodoni post that you approved of what he did.

    However, you say above that “what I actually wrote was”:

    When men kill women, the underlying reason is almost always an unfulfilled psychosexual need. This goes for spree shooters, rapists, and serial killers. I’m not surprised Sodini hadn’t had sex in nearly 20 years. As I’ve written before, to some men on the losing side of the desireability bell curve celibacy is walking death and anything is justified in avoiding that miserable fate.

    And that is indeed how “Game Can Save Lives” appears today. Yet when Jezebel quoted that paragraph, it quoted it this way:

    When men kill women, the underlying reason is almost always an unfulfilled psychosexual need. This goes for spree shooters, rapists, and serial killers. I’m not surprised Sodini hasn’t had sex in nearly 20 years. As I’ve written before, to men celibacy is walking death, and anything is justified in avoiding that miserable fate.

    Did Jezebel distort the quotation? I tried to confirm what was actually published on this blog in real time by checking the Wayback Machine, but it’s not there. And someone has apparently instructed Google not to index your original post; while other posts of yours show up on Google, this one does not…

    http://www.google.com/search?q=roissy+%22game+can+save+lives%22

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  257. on March 11, 2010 at 8:07 pm alias clio

    I think Clio might be bit too old for the Catholic school girl outfit. Indeed. However, ravaging Clio in her wedding dress on the night of her wedding, with her groom eagerly awaiting her at the altar, or even after the sacred marriage vows have been taken, but before the holy wedding night has been consummated, is something to consider……being afraid of, because if you tried anything like that, he’d pulverize you. Not to mention what I might do, because although a weak woman (ha!), I am not without support in this world.

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  258. on March 11, 2010 at 10:43 pm Tupac Chopra

    Not to mention what I might do, because although a weak woman (ha!), I am not without support in this world.

    I suggest you contact Anoukange. She can refer you to her friend in Medellin whom she contracted to “kick the living shit” out of Roosh. You know, the guy she instructed to “focus on [his] dick and balls so that [he] may never reproduce.” LOL. Sounds like the man you’re looking for.

    BTW, is it so wrong that I want to make like ten thousand babies with you??

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  259. on March 11, 2010 at 11:18 pm Racer X

    How the fuck do you italicize here?

    Anyways, Clio said, “being afraid of, because if you tried anything like that, he’d pulverize you. Not to mention what I might do, because although a weak woman (ha!), I am not without support in this world.”

    Yes, I would imagine your would-be husband would be upset, because after experiencing my animals charms, after unleashing the beast that lurks deep within my savage soul, you either would not show up at the altar, or serve him divorce papers the next day.

    You know what they say, “Once you’ve been with Racer X, your husband soon will be your ex.”

    Tupac’s affections for you are pure, emotional and spiritual; mine are carnal, visceral, and unbridled, and we all know, thanks to Roissy, which passions a woman is instinctively attracted to.

    Sorry Tupac, but you really don’t stand a chance in this one.

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  260. on March 11, 2010 at 11:35 pm Tupac Chopra

    Sorry Tupac, but you really don’t stand a chance in this one.

    Perhaps you’re right. Over the years I’ve thrown everything in my arsenal at her except the kitchen sink: aggro directness, charm, aloofness, humor, even sneaky fucker Beta Game. The woman’s an impassive stone statue with ice water in her veins it seems.

    Although…she still hasn’t had a gander at my trouser snake.

    Wait’ll ya see my dick, Clio, wait’ll you see my dick…

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  261. on March 12, 2010 at 12:53 pm me me me

    Sorry Tupac for sticking my nose into your business, and I don’t know the whole story with what’s NOT going on with you and Clio, but it appears that you’re all talk and no action. Have you ever DONE anything about your so called love for her aside from writing about it here on Roissy’s blog?

    I’m not sure if this is correct, but talk is beta and action is alpha, no?

    If you REALLY do love her you’d get on a plane and visit her. That would be soooooo romantic.

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  262. on March 12, 2010 at 1:26 pm Bhetti

    maurice: Which time zone?

    All my vitals seen to be fine. Yours?

    me me me:

    If you REALLY do love her

    He loves a fantasy of clio, which the woman herself barely recognises. Loving a fantasy can be used as an adjunct against loving anyone real who does not meet the fantastical standard.

    Yes, he loves a fantasy. Unlike a standard issue beta, he actually knows it.

    It’s an amusing diversion.

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  263. on March 12, 2010 at 1:41 pm Racer X

    “Yes, he loves a fantasy. Unlike a standard issue beta, he actually knows it.”

    Yes, this is true for Tupac. It is admirable, sentimental, and in the end totally ineffectual. Women do not want you to love them like that fantasy. Since most women have such low self esteem they cannot comprehend such things. Most women hate the sappy romantic lover type anyways. They want passion.

    I want to fuck Clio, pure and simple. I don’t care if she is married, single, divorced, a widow, or what, I simply want to fuck her, for one night at least, with total and reckless abandon. I want to see her naked, taste her, kiss her, touch her, feel her, hear her moans and screams of pleasure as my cock fills and pounds that forbidden little pussy of hers and she finally understands for once in her cloistered life what true, fierce and fiery sexual passion is.

    After that she can get married to whatever beta provider comes her way, including Tupac. I will be on to my next conquest.

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  264. on March 12, 2010 at 5:08 pm Tupac Chopra

    Bhetti Lee:

    He loves a fantasy of clio, which the woman herself barely recognises. Loving a fantasy can be used as an adjunct against loving anyone real who does not meet the fantastical standard.

    Well Little Miss Smarty-Pants, tell me something: If it’s just my *fantasy*, then its *being* a fantasy means I could have overlaid it upon any of the various female commenters here: Aoefe, Dana, Lilgirl, or yourself for that matter. Are you saying I could have done so just as easily? Help me to understand. I’m not SMRT like you. 😉

    Also, you seem to imply a character flaw in not “loving anyone real”. Are you saying there are modern, educated, sophisticated women in the West who are worthy of such love? (I’m speaking of women in their twenties who would hold my sexual interest for more than a bang or two, natch)

    Racer X:

    I want to see her naked, taste her, kiss her, touch her, feel her, hear her moans and screams of pleasure as my cock fills and pounds that forbidden little pussy of hers and she finally understands for once in her cloistered life what true, fierce and fiery sexual passion is.

    Who says I don’t want those things too?

    “So much style without substance
    So much stuff without style
    It’s hard to recognize the real thing
    That comes along once in a while” – N.P.

    After that she can get married to whatever beta provider comes her way, including Tupac.

    I’ll see you in Hell for that one, Racer.

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  265. on March 12, 2010 at 5:23 pm Racer X

    That’s right, see you in hell, Tupac. I plan on doing lots of fucking down there too.

    And don’t think Miss Clio will be save from my lecherous advances when she is watching us burn from her celestial, heavenly heights.

    No, nothing will prevent me from seducing Miss Clio, not even the pearly gates of heaven itself.

    If Satan himself once tried to storm the gates of heaven, so will I, just to fuck Miss Clio. So even death will never quench my thirst and desire for her conquest, never, for all eternity.

    Unless I fuck her now, then I can rest happily forever after.

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  266. on March 12, 2010 at 6:29 pm Bhetti

    Tupac: I wasn’t being derogatory. That wasn’t my intent.

    I’m saying you’re constructing a female ideal* that is different from you encounter every day and using this ideal as a standard. It reminds you to not put a normal woman on a pedestal and also occupies an impulse for affection that you view as dangerous. It’s a simple mental exercise that serves its purpose rather than a negative personality trait. You confirmed that with your response.

    Keyboard psychology, heh.

    *Whether Clio fits the ideal is an irrelevant question and I’m not going to ruin her mystique. A lot of the ideal is this cereberal, otherworldly, feminine aura she has which makes her seem unspoiled. Ironically, if she was pleased by base expression, her appeal would lessen. Her appeal is that she is fantasy, in more than one way.

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  267. on March 12, 2010 at 6:50 pm Tupac Chopra

    Tupac: I wasn’t being derogatory.

    I know. Why do you think I included thay gay ass winky?

    I’m saying you’re constructing a female ideal* that is different from you encounter every day and using this ideal as a standard. It reminds you to not put a normal woman on a pedestal

    Oh trust me, despite your perspicacity, I didn’t need Clio for that particular reminder.

    and also occupies an impulse for affection that you view as dangerous. It’s a simple mental exercise that serves its purpose rather than a negative personality trait.

    You are a very smart girl Bhetti. If you were a little hotter, I might do you.

    *Whether Clio fits the ideal is an irrelevant question and I’m not going to ruin her mystique.

    Aw c’mon! Grace me with your feminine intuition. You might finally liberate me from the bondage I am in.

    Although an underwhelming photo of her in her prime might do the same. Heh.

    A lot of the ideal is this cereberal, otherworldly, feminine aura she has which makes her seem unspoiled. Ironically, if she was pleased by base expression, her appeal would lessen.

    I’m a good judge of character and from what I’ve read of her personal life, I’d say my attentions are more than warranted. I’m extrapolating of course, but do you disagree?

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  268. on March 12, 2010 at 7:44 pm Bhetti

    I’m saying I’m not because there’s not enough evidence (it’s more intuition than knowledge, as you’ve said) and I do think she’s lovely and a woman to aspire to (but not perfect).

    I’m also a harsher judge in some ways, so I’m projecting imperfections in my own view as having significance in yours.

    The main point is that she is simply human and a creature of the flesh, although on the pleasanter end of the spectrum with many qualities to recommend her. I certainly feel intimidated by her.

    Sorry for being frustrating.

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  269. on March 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm Tupac Chopra

    I’m also a harsher judge in some ways, so I’m projecting imperfections in my own view as having significance in yours.

    Do tell.

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  270. on March 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm me me me

    …also occupies an impulse for affection that you view as dangerous. It’s a simple mental exercise that serves its purpose rather than a negative personality trait.

    Wow, Bhetti, you are brilliant.

    Bhetti, by dangerous I assume you mean he’s afraid of getting hurt. What do you suggest he do to get over this fear?

    The only reason I ask is because I know someone in my life who is doing exactly the same thing as Tupac.

    🙂

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  271. on March 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm Bhetti

    Bhetti, by dangerous I assume you mean he’s afraid of getting hurt. What do you suggest he do to get over this fear?

    Not exactly. It’s a valid concern that giving affection to a woman who is not up to standard is a very bad move. It’s rational.

    I don’t suggest doing anything consciously. When and if he finds one worthy, he’ll risk it. He may never find someone appropriate and that’s sad from my romantic perspective but not the end of the world. The only thing to do is not to sabotage by deliberately seeking out women in venues and ways where they will never meet his standard.

    Do tell.

    The best person to say how clio is imperfect is clio.

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  272. on March 13, 2010 at 3:08 am Tupac Chopra

    Bhetti:

    The best person to say how clio is imperfect is clio.

    “They tell me the reality is better than the dream
    But I found out the hard way
    Nothing is what it seems”

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  273. on March 13, 2010 at 5:55 am xsplat

    Bhetti

    Her appeal is that she is fantasy, in more than one way.

    And this is why I say that if you can’t love a whore, you can’t love.

    Loving an ideal is not loving a person.

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  274. on March 14, 2010 at 6:16 pm Racer X

    Tupac,

    As we both know, there is nothing imperfect at all about the lovely Miss Clio. God made her perhaps the most perfect female who has ever walked the face of the earth.

    Despite our differences Tupac, we both love the ethereal ideal that is the pure and lovely Miss Clio. We both know we have found feminine perfection in her being.

    Now when we are going to have our duel to see who wins her fair hand?

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  275. on March 19, 2010 at 4:18 am Anakin Niceguy

    Charlotte Allen:

    Biblical Man epitomizes the problems that you yourself raised up in your post about Men’s Rights people in general: There’s something unmanly about whining about women all the time. Shut up, Biblical Man, and act like a man!

    And what you or anyone else are going to do if I don’t comply with your self-serving, flawed idea of manhood?

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