Reader LoboSolo sent me this article by conservative writer Paul Greenberg extolling the “innate superiority” of women.
I’ve never been much of a believer in historical theories about the Indispensable Man. There may be some examples — Washington, Lincoln, Moses — but they are few. But the indispensable woman, I believe in. Call it Greenberg’s Law: Women are the innately superior sex. My theory may not be backed by any scientific evidence, but it’s something every man has surely felt. At least if he’s got a lick of sense. […]
When it comes to great truths, each generation shouldn’t have to work them out by itself. They don’t have to be written down, any more than the English constitution is. Every boy soon learns that women seem to know intuitively what the weaker male sex may grasp only by effort and education. Which is why it requires marriage and family to civilize the male animal. He needs a woman’s tutelage.
Greenberg tells a story, among others, which purports to demonstrate unassailable female virtue:
Brighter boys learn the lesson of female superiority early; dimmer ones may never catch on. A story: It was homecoming weekend many years ago in Pine Bluff, Ark., and a clump of us stood on Main Street waiting for the black college’s high-stepping marching band to come striding by, drum major and majorettes and 76 trombones and all.
A venturesome little boy in the group stepped off the curb to look way up the street — where the little girl on the Sunbeam Bread sign, a local landmark, still swings endlessly to and fro. Way in the distance, the boy spotted the prancing majorettes throwing their batons high, higher, highest, catching them on the beat. “Wow!” he exclaimed, returning to report what he’d seen. His conclusion: “Girls have to know so many things!”
Lovely stories, Mr. Greenberg. Now let me tell you a story.
I’ve seen things you gullible chumps wouldn’t believe. Married women’s loins on fire off the rumpled sheets of my bed. A feminine Russian woman, her buttocks turned in my direction, sweetly asking me if I’d “like to do her in the ass” as her cell phone rings with the plaintive wail of her husband seeking her whereabouts. I’ve watched nipples harden in the dark near the cathedral gate, and behind the rectory doors. I’ve lain with the most virtuous women you could imagine — caring women who “have to know so many things” and who give dollars to homeless bums and who tear up during sad scenes in the movies — who freely allowed my member to violate them in every conceivable way in their husband’s and boyfriend’s beds, their writhing bodies, ecstatic moans, and gushing furrows testament to the lustful abandon with which they unshackled themselves of that other conservative virtue, fidelity. I once counseled the most darling woman — a young woman so exquisitely gentle and winsome I’d dare any man not to fall instantly for her — to stop her flowing tears for our doomed affair and, there on the sidewalk in midday, to return to her husband at her apartment which was two blocks down the street; the husband who, through years of his toil and love, put a roof over her underemployed head in one of the ritzier neighborhoods of the city. I have made love — God’s highest expression of devotion to His creation — with women in the company of small woodland creatures, scandalized roommates, and children who were, as best we dared, out of earshot of our erotic rustlings. I have witnessed women, caught in the snare of irrefutable evidence damning their supposed virtue, lie with the effortlessness of a soulless sociopath. In the moment of release, when we come closest to touching the Hand of God, I have been instructed by a wondrously virtuous woman to “rape her” and to “do it like you mean it”. Her screams of howling joy — pain or pleasure I could not tell — to this day echo in my memories. And, most enlightening of all, I have seen wives and girlfriends, their hearts once filled with seemingly endless and nourishing love, cruelly turn on their daft former lovers with a vengeance unmatched by even a wronged God. Such as the time a sizzlingly sexy brunette whose mouth I was gracing with the metaphorical appendage of God’s divine love answered a phone call, mid-oral delight, from her ex-fiancee (who it should be noted was recovering from a mental breakdown) to thank him for purchasing a $5,000 Tempur-Pedic mattress delivered to her apartment two weeks earlier. Her thank you’s sounded surprisingly sincere for a woman whose free hand was simultaneously cradling the fleshy pod holding the life-giving seed of another man.
All those moments will be lost in time, Mr. Greenberg, like tears in rain.
What is it with conservatives and their willful blindness to the true nature of women? Pedestalization of the Other (and its many permutations, c.f. “noble savage”, “gaiaism”, “diversity”, and “na’vi”) is a sickening act of self-abasement; a desperate denial that one could possibly be right when one has been so badly wronged, or that a wrongdoer could possibly be as bad as the facts attest. Perhaps those who engage in this sort of faith-based pedestalization of women are deathly afraid to confront the reality of female nature because it would impose on their tidy worldview. Perhaps they need a savior, in the form of women, like of god, to compartmentalize the darkness and symbolize something to aspire to. After all, if women are just as bad as men, where does that leave the sensitive man? Stuck now with double the responsibility to guard oneself against predation by both sexes, and to discard to the ash heap cherished notions of the fairer sex. Does this sound familiar? If you thought “beta”, you’d be right.
Where conservatives sanctify women, liberals demonize men. Not all conservatives and not all liberals, but enough of them that a valid generalization can be made. Whether sanctifying women or demonizing men, the end result is the same: laws, policies, and cultural beliefs that are anti-male, and which we in the West are soaking in today.
I believe the conservative’s and liberal’s instincts toward women can be explained by contrasting the peculiar life conditions of both:
- Conservatives, having grown up in larger, more intact families than liberals, and being thus surrounded by more sisters, aunts, and female cousins on a daily basis, are loathe to imagine those female relatives could be the alpha cock-hungry animals inside that they really are. Liberals, meanwhile, hailing from broken homes and guided under the tutelage of man-hating single moms with a revolving bedroom door, find it easier to grasp the amoral nature of women.
- Conservatives have less sexual experience with women than do liberals. I would not be surprised if it was discovered that liberal men lost their virginity at an earlier age than conservative men. Nothing teaches like experience.
- Conservatives believe women are morally child-like compared to men, that women are the weaker sex, and so cannot be held accountable for their actions. Liberals, who see white male oppression behind every human group difference, are more likely to individualize a woman’s bad actions and politicize a man’s bad actions.
- Conservatives are ashamed of their base desires. Thus, they recoil at the thought that the women they desire might share the same debased thoughts that they do. Liberals, by contrast, are proud of their base desires. And so they are more accepting of the knowledge that women are as depraved as men.
- Religious conservatives fear sex for its power to distract from god. It is better for them that women are thought of as empty vessels incapable of making sex-based calculations in their decisions. Secular liberals love sex for its power to distract from considering the merits of any moral code. It is better for them that women are thought of as sex-possessed tankgrrls ready to rumble across the Vaginot Line of mind-body liberation.
- Conservatives invest more in the idea of family than do liberals. A wanton woman is a grave threat to that idea, graver than even a wanton man, for reasons clearly elucidated by evolutionary biology. Ergo, women cannot possibly be as wanton as men.
- Conservative women are busier being pregnant and/or fatter than liberal women, and are thus less frequently able to act wantonly. This may skew conservative men’s impressions of women to being something more positive than it really is.
- Conservatives by temperament are drawn to the beautiful. Liberals by temperament are drawn to the degraded. Conservatives have trouble tainting with dark knowledge the beauty of a woman in her prime. Liberals relish the thought that a beautiful young woman would wallow in the mud just as enthusiastically as they do.
As a man who is drawn to both the beautiful and the degraded, my aim is to act as a bridge between conservative men and liberal men, holding the liberal’s hand tenderly to the conservative’s crotch. I shall bring understanding between the two mortal enemies, and together we shall march into the nearest bar, our minds fortified with the knowledge of women’s true natures and our hearts swollen with masculine conceit, and lay waste to that place, claiming battalions of pussy for our own. Without excuse, without apology. Without god, whether supernatural or political.
Women are vile creatures at heart, just as men are. An ugly truth, Mr. Greenberg, which even God can’t shield you from. Don’t let the batting eyelashes fool you.

Nywhat.
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http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2010/03/reader-sent-me-rather-weird-article-at.html
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Trying too hard is probably against the Roissy rules somewhere.
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Awesome response Roissy!
What bugs me is the whole ‘better half’ thing that everyone likes to regurgitate. Makes me sick. I have two halves, waist down and waist up. Which is better depends on what I’m doing or whom I’m banging.
At least with society like this, alphas have less competition.
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Greenberg’s article is truly vomit inducing.
I will take issue over casting everyone to the right-of-center as the same philosphically. I doubt that most Ron Paul types have the same view of women as do most Mike Huckabee voters. Also, a lot of this sort of talk coming from conservatives is just intended to be shallow window dressing. Many conservatives spew this sort of stuff out and then go and have 5 wives and dozens of mistresses (see Fred Thompson).
All in all, the closest thing to old fashioned morality left is on the far, far, far religous right. (I don’t think I’m being naive by saying that most ultra-fundamental baptist girls are not riding the c-ck carasual).
And, the closest thing to a workable new gender order comes from libertarians.
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Not much I can add, only that I agree. You pretty much said all that needs to be said.
I’m kind of surprised though that you slept with married women, considering how you think that it’s worse if they cheat than married men who cheat.
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I read that article a few days ago and thought “This is so wrong and I don’t have the writing chops to explain why but I bet Roissy rips it to shreds.”
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omg this is barbabbs here
yes i have a new blog
roissy is so right!!!
consevatism is dead–greenberg is a typical sniveling neocon…
see, neocons worship first and foremost the fiat dollar, and the fiat dollar finances feminism.
by placing women on a pedestal, neocons encourage you to marry them so that they can ass-rape you for your assetts.
see, the fiat dollar is based on nothing but debt.
without the desecration of institutions such as marriage, how else would the fiat masters transfer wealth from hard-working alpha males to the fiat beta empire?
fiat beta males desoul women and send them forth to transfer assets from honest, hardworking alpha men to the beta fiat brotherhood, where women are placed on pedestals on teh fornt lines, luring men into the marriages that the neocons use as mechanisms for wealth transfer.
Isn’t it funny how women are now leading men in education and work? While the US leads the world in debt? lozlzlz!
March 10, 2010 by greatbooksformen
Isn’t it funny how women are now leading men in education and work? While the US leads the world in debt? lozlzlz!
When it comes to creating things such as cars, airplanes, tires, the computer, spark plugs, electricity, running water, indoor plumbing, the idea of marriage, the light bulb, the transistor, Great Art, Great Books, and Great Symphonies, women are nowhere to be seen.
When it comes to creating debt, debauchery, divorce, daytime TV, and douchebags, women lead the descent, at teh command of the Federal Reserve System!
lozlzlzl!
America was once the world’s leading manufacturer and lender. Today she is the biggest consumer and debtor. chix rule!! lzozlzlzl!!
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I hope for Greenberg’s sake that three short-haired wymmyn in flannel shirts surprised him in a dark parking garage stairwell, and with razor to his throat instructed him to pen that article. Even if so, it’s a disgrace.
Roissy’s response is a tour de force.
What’s odd about pedestalization among some social conservatives is that traditional Christianity has always held that women (like men) are weak and sinners.
A woman was to submit to her husband, including his moral leadership, and in return she would be cherished and protected. It was a transaction, not pedestalization. Pedestalization is idolatry, a violation of the First Commandment.
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“Lovely stories, Mr. Greenberg. Now let me tell you a story.”
fantastic.
The question of why this guy lives in a state of fantasy has as much to do w/ his conservative nature as it would George Will.
Look at his picture:
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s still a virgin.
I’ve known plenty of bible-thumping, conservative christian types who have solid game and know women are whores who are not to be trusted.
In fact, they practice an interesting code >>> Your word is your bond, except when it comes to women.
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Damn. Comment in moderation.
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I’m starting to think Roissy is modern woman’s worst nightmare.
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Conservatives are more “religious”
END of story.
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“I will take issue over casting everyone to the right-of-center as the same philosphically.”
Or everyone left of center. Believing in single-payer health care or some other practical sliding of the private/public scale a bit more toward consideration of he public good, as I do, is immaterial to appreciating the broad explanatory strength (with all the usual and understood caveats of individual variation) of Roissy’s gender reductivism. Likewise, disdain for “academic” liberals who reject all essentialist observations (increasingly backed by neurosicence and the like) as some sort of nasty “ism”. I am not sure if “liberal” is even the right word for identity politics/diversity folks when you leave the realm of job opportunity equality and the like and enter the realm of psychosocial speculations. I don’t see how the two necessarily have anything in common. Take Susan and Steven Pinker as two examples of moderate political liberals who are constantly battling against the nurturist and social constructivist crowd on gender norms, IQ and other measures that have a strong genetic basis.
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Here you go: today’s nonsense from herbus minimus teenycon Jonah Goldberg. Blech!
http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg
March 10, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Where Feminists Get It Right
Women civilize men. ’Nuff said.
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Color me liberal, because I’m definitely accepting of the fact that women are as depraved as I am. In fact, I count on it.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve bedded some conservative’s straight and proper looking wife and started thinking, “Buddy, you have no idea.”
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Damn you can write.
BTW, thanks for helping me smash the pedestal upon which I used to place the vile creatures. Amazingly I would do this even after one cheated on her fiancee to sleep in my bed, taking his phone calls while I fondled and sucked her tits.
Silly me, raised in the feminized west to stories of “sugar and spice and everything nice.” I thought it was “just her”.
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This was just written about at The Spearhead the other day:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/03/08/just-aint-gettin-it/
Bottom line is the guy is a self loathing vajazzling old fart that’s out of touch with reality who just needs to be ignored.
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beautiful prose
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These guys are entering their dotage. Perhaps the meds are making them fantasize out loud.
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Roissy needs a book deal.
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Man, that was just beautiful.
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hey tarl!!!
awesome post about jonah goldberg!!
i just blogged about it!!
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/jonah-goldberg-fiat-neocon-idiot/
Jonah Goldberg: Fiat Neocon Idiot
By greatbooksformen
Jonah Goldberg, working for the Fed which must convert its fiat debt into $$$ via the neocon’s divorce regime, writes today, “The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.”
Actually, since Roe vs. Wade, there have been over 50,000,000 abortions in the US alone. Every one of these was a woman’s choice. Half of these were men. Ergo women do not civilize men, but they murder them.
Today over 2/3 of divorces are initiated by women. . . .
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Laura- given the state of modern women, this is a great compliment.
We are a bunch of selfish and violent apes. Our genes mostly determine our happiness. All the layers of cultural obfuscation invented by weak humans won’t be able to obscure that fact from the astute observer, who can then use this knowledge to optimally maneuver through the zoo, accumulating notches.
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Blade Runner!! Great homage!! “…like tears in rain”
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“Conservatives believe women are morally child-like compared to men, that women are the weaker sex, and so cannot be held accountable for their actions. Liberals, who see white male oppression behind every human group difference, are more likely to individualize a woman’s bad actions and politicize a man’s bad actions.”
This is one of the most profound truths I’ve read in a while. It also distills most of the bullshit that’s resulted in today’s rampant misandry in the media and the legal systems of western society.
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Just thought I’d ad the concept of social approval. The conservatives feel ashamed and rejected because they are unloved by the MM and the hip and cool etc. They want approval. so they bash men and praise women. They are scared of the feminist pieces of shit,and seek their approval. The Feminist Piece ofShit/Conservative beta partnership is a bad one for society.
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more from the goldberg article:
jonah goldberg writes,
“Forgetting the question of decency and morality for a moment, there’s the matter of national interests. Female equality seems to be a pretty reliable treatment for many of the world’s worst pathologies. Population growth in the Third World tends to go down as female literacy goes up. Indeed, female empowerment might be the single best weapon in the “root causes” arsenal in the war on terror.”
–http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg?page=2
hahahahahhaah!!
neocon godlberg hates the traditional patriarchal family, which was destroyed by the fiat-funded feminist movement!!!
as a neocon goldberg want to rule the world via fiat, which means he must destroy fatherhood.
he and his neocon fiat masters have been quite successful in depopulating the western world.
the genius of it is that goldberg and his neocon buddies conquered without ever firing a shot, yet.
tehy just printed a bunch of fiat debt and handed it to women and told them to abandon their husbands and families and abort their children as the central planner sees populatioon growth as bad.
the great neocon jonah goldberg sees the death of fatherhood and the family as a good thing, as it kills population growth, leaving more resources to the neocons.
lzozllzlz!
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This guy might be a male submissive who doesn’t understand that he has a kink. He is erotically drawn to the idea that women are superior but he refuses to identify the depraved aspects of his motivation. That and this is a standard part of western world sexism. They pedestalize women in order to convince them to accept a restrictive role.
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Probably the key difference is conservatives 100% believe the two parent heterosexual family is the cornerstone of civilization whereas liberals don’t. Liberals think society will function fine no matter the relationship between the sexes, just as they think people will work hard if the tax rate is oppressively high. Of course liberals are wrong.
Conservatives don’t realize how badly women behave in the absence of traditional values. In a conservatives world, social conservative that is, the women they see behave more modestly and while not exactly like our grandmothers, more like our grand mothers than the typical girl you’ll find on a college campus.
To a conservative fixing the family is a matter of a few degrees where in reality an order of magnitude change is needed. They are in for a surprise!
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Roissy’s tales of banging women are a bigger work of fiction than Blade Runner and this article, as his ‘game’ tips, just as plagiarised.
Can anyone vouch for this keyboard jockey around the bars and clubs of DC?
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Yes.
A book deal.
then, roissy can be
as effective as
Jonah Goldberg
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Roissy
OK, we understand you fucked many women. Good for you. But what does that have to do with his central premise: “Women are the innately superior sex”
Your argument almost proves his point. They are smart enough to have the best of both worlds: a good beta provider and sex with alphas all the while fooling most men about their true nature.
Also, I don’t think a woman civilizes a man. It is all the accompanying requirements of the relationship, i.e. mortgage, children, etc.
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Hail to the Dark Feminine,
Hail Hecate, Hail Kali
Hail the profane goddess and the sacred whore.
Let us perform the Osculum Infame,
Let us drink from the tainted cup.
Your wildness venerates the powerful man,
Your viciousness tears apart the weak.
You will inspire us to ecstasy,
You will show us our divinity.
You are worshipped, but your worship is nature’s greatest prize.
Lust is sexual love, and love is the law. Love under will.
Let us transmute our love for you to will.
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So where the hell have you been, Roissy?
I, along with Thursday, Novaseeker, Welmer, and others have been beating this drum for months.
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Women, on the whole, are smarter than men.
http://dapook.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html
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The first give away that he is a beta is his saying nice things about Lincoln. Down with the Union!
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This is a masterpiece. One reason I still follow this blog. Be sure and include it in the book. It deserves a chapter-length treatment.
Here are some more examples you may wish to review:
http://books.google.com/books?id=WiRrwzdafGEC&dq=the+natural+superiority+of+women&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=HPOXS5ChLtaOtgfcxIHlAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/index.php/2008/09/16/uncle-sams-harem-ii/ (read comments 6 through 10, F R Devlin chimes in)
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/index.php/2010/02/26/three-weddings-and-a-funeral/ (comments 17,18, 22, 52, 63, 66, 70)
P.S. I thought it was established that sleeping with married women was beta.
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Great work, Roissy, keep on it.
No man who has bedded a lot of women is left with any illusions about the allegedly fairer sex. To get smart, get laid a lot, and pay attention.
What women do in the throes of multiorgasmic passion – that is, anything you fucking want to do to them – dispenses with any “conservative” illusions about the Vaginot Line (great saying, I shall borrow it freely and often).
It must be said that the sluttiest, all-around horniest and nastiest women, however, are the “conservative” ones from traditional backgrounds. Almost all the married gals who were cuckolding their husbands with me – freaky sex, no apparent moral conflicts on her end, even when they advocate getting knocked up by the non-spouse – were distinctly right-of-center in views: church-going Republicans, usually.
Our “conservative” friends do not want to hear this, of course, far too scary to contemplate for more than that half-second to make bowels go to liquid. Nothing to see here, move on, please … Above all, pay no attention to the soccer mom covered in spooge behind the curtain.
But I ask my GOP friends: Do you know what the Mrs was doing this afternoon while you were playing golf? Are you … sure?
🙂
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I hate to go off topic, but this forum seems only logical to address my needs. I have a quick question for everyone here that I’m trying to use to gain an advantage with game:
About a year and a half ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I am taking a chemo-type pill daily. You would never guess I have cancer, though, for it has not changed my physical appearance at all, save for a four inch scar beaneath my belly button. Further I am a workout freak who is in top shape.
Is there a way I can incorporate my cancer story and use it as an advantage when meeting women?
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I agree 100%, but it needs to be said that Greenberg did nowhere state that women are virtuous.
I am not trying to defend any pedestalizing. But some men don’t have a problem with women cheating. He might be one of them.
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“Above all, pay no attention to the soccer mom covered in spooge behind the curtain.”
Hahahahaha. So funny and so true. Also, pay no attention to virginal Christian abstinent daughters who will gleefully spread their legs for Lucifer himself the minute they can get away with it.
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Great post. So-cons are totally clueless. It’s a mystery to me why people with sense and education even bother with them. They live in a fantasy world, divorced from reality, based on some abstracted ideas from their Great Books. They are not worthy of the traditions they purport to defend, because their mindset is that of the passive follower, slavishly conforming to some strictures out of the past, instead of adapting principles to changing times.
So what bar are you going to take the enlightened conservative and liberal to? A peaceable kingdom of poon-hounds. not a bad image at all.
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Greenberg is a kike. Nuff said. Whether on the supposed right or left of the political boundaries, Jews debase all life and spread their loathsome decree to all virtuous (i.e. naive) peoples of the planet.
They’re the priestly class. Nay sayers to life itself. Thusly destroying the West and its devices to keep women – and men in line against their weaker natures.
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I have long maintained that you will find no larger and more organized a concentration of feminized men and practicing feminists than in the Evangelical church.
Nowhere else will you find so many women who would slap your face for referring to them as feminists, who actively practice the tenets and subscribe to the mindset of feminism as naturally and readily as any of the granola crunching hippies they despise. Churches are filled with pastors too terrified to give a sermon about sex without having their their wives standing on stage with them, while they fawn and coo about how cosmically lucky they were to have their wives deign to marry them. Nowhere else will you find more defeated beta males who will simultaneously espouse the biblical dictates for a woman to submit to her man and then concede abject authority to her as if it were her due.
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Marriage does civilize men. But alas, it does not bestow the same benefit on women.
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No matter the reason, elevating another individual above your own interests is self-ending. Believing you are inferior makes it so.
Woman are different than men in many ways. Lizard brains will subvert the higher consciousness in both. There is no god, mystical or political, that can deliver you from the base nature of human beings.
Individual character is a better method of classification than is gender, politics, race, or creed.
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So depressing; gross enough to be cheating but tripley gross and disrespectful to be on the phone with one while playing with another. People can be such jerks.
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that guy cant be serious right
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Madras naively said:
“(I don’t think I’m being naive by saying that most ultra-fundamental baptist girls are not riding the c-ck carasual). ”
Take it from a still solid ultra-fundie. They want to ride th cock. And, the moment they get to Bible college, and away from mom & dad, they do…and usually not with the boys at said college. It is usually the guys who meet them at malls on Saturday afternoon, take them “for a bite to eat” Saturday evening, and drop them off Sunday morning in time for chapel. And, if they miss chapel, it is because they were having “female problems” and most preachers and Christian professors (usually male) do not question it further.
What happened is when the Christian society accepted the Greek and Roman idea of one woman and one man, and justified it as godly despite God’s Word saying no such thing, they gave power to the woman.
Polygamy might be the one thing Joseph Smith got right.
I have seen many strong fundie preachers’ careers get destroyed by a wife who knew all she had to do was divorce him and he would not be allowed to preach anywhere, ever again.
It was often said by contemporaries of John Wesley (founder of Methodism) that if he were not married, God could have used him a lot more. Southern Baptist pastor Charles Stanley almost lost his position as pastor of First Baptist Church of Atlanta, Georgia when his wife of 40+ years divorced him.
Christian women often want to be revered by their husbands as the man does in Proverbs 31 but they do not want to put in the effort to be the woman of Proverbs 31. Then, when the husband refuses, she threatens divorce.
There is a virus in the teachings of many Christian churches, that if a marriage is on the road to ruin, it is the man’s fault. Most often, though,t he man is only responding to a lazy woman.
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“Is there a way I can incorporate my cancer story and use it as an advantage when meeting women?”
Sure, tell them that when they buy you dinner, you will be cheap because you can’t keep anything down.
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To be fair, this isn’t his main focus — it’s simply commentary in the margins of his greater body of work.
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This story seems to scare much of the beta out of conservative men.
http://vincentignatius.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/i-was-molested-by-a-priest/
The men at the divinity school are under the false impression that their women are sacrosanct, when in reality they are as depraved as any women’s studies major.
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This kind of post is unsettling. It’s like reviewing crime reports from your neighborhood….if you think about it too much, you get paranoid. Most of the time, I’d rather be oblivious and walk the streets with confidence.
A question for Roissy: how many of these women in long-term relationships were getting properly nailed at home? And were their boyfriends/husbands alphas? I don’t believe my old lady is a princess, but I do think that frequent doses of nasty sex and proper game keep her from thoughts far away from other men.
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I am a conservative who has no illusions about 21st Century women.
I have experienced everything Roissy has stated here. I too have “seen things you gullible chumps wouldn’t believe… ” from innocent looking women “sweetly asking me if I’d “like to do her in the ass” as her cell phone rings” to woman’s left hand grasping my post-coital member, right hand holding phone while chatting away cheerily with her beta sponsor.
Difference is my women have been mostly raging liberals; liberal chicks are easier and sluttier.
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Backdoor Man asks “A question for Roissy: how many of these women in long-term relationships were getting properly nailed at home?”
I’ll answer from my experience. If the woman felt secure in her relationship and knew she could get away with infidelity, she would clamber upon the first male who would hold her to account. Her beta provider’s performance was typically only lacking in his pedestalization and tolerance of her bs.
So, if your LTR woman thinks she can get away with cheating, she will.
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@Anonymouses Anonymous
Interesting. I’ll take your word on that as my experience with Christian fundies is rather limited. I can say that I see the worst in female hypergamy tendencies in uber-Christian girls, I just some how assumed they didn’t drop their panties as much, out of some sort of strict moral code.
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Now that was some wicked writing!
Just when I thought we had seen the best you’ve had to give, you suprise us all again.
I couldn’t hold it in anymore when I got to “small woodland creatures”. lmfao. What a talent.
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Feminism & War: Two Sides of the Necon Fiat Coin: Neocons such As Jonah Goldberg Love War & Fiat Debt & Feminism As They Kill The Innocent and Debauch Good Men & Grow The Neocon State lozlzl!
Neocons such as Jonah Goldberg love war and fiat debt and feminism and the growth of government and the state.
Under the neocon rule, debt has only grown, as more and more kids grow up in single mother families, which will grant neocons such as Jonah Goldberg more control over the fatherless children, ensuring they grow up with more problems and pathologies, as fatherless children so often do. Yay for Jonah! Feminism and perpetual war are two sides to the neocon fiat coin, as their lawyers profit immensely in the divorce regime and the saddling of the world with fiat debt, murder, and debauchery. And the chubby-faced Goldberg drives around DC as the master neocon, stopping for pizza here and there to serve his fat face, spitting on the spirits of the Greats such as Edmund Burke, C.S. Lewis, and Russell Kirk; rubbing his hands together as the fiat debt burgeons and more women destroy more families throughout the world, lured by the Neocon’s fiat debt to dump and incriminate their husbands and exalt Tucker Max as a sexual hero, as Charlotte Allen does in the Weekly Standard, instead of exalting true heroes such as USMC Cpl. Jason L. Dunham. lozlzlz!
more here: greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=23&message=1
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Backdoor Man-
“I don’t believe my old lady is a princess, but I do think that frequent doses of nasty sex and proper game keep her from thoughts far away from other men.”
Well, maybe. For sure, if she’s getting fucked up, down, and sideways at home by a dominant and wealthy man, she’s not as likely to stray. But you never know.
I mean, the top alpha males often have a trophy wife at home, several mistresses, and a roving eye when they’re on the road. What can you say. Human nature is human nature.
Speaking personally, I would not trust any woman to throw a cup of water on me if I was on fire. Even if we’ve been together for years.
Society rewards women for cheating, and their DNA imperative thrives on it.
I wish it weren’t this way, but I really don’t see any solution unless we go old-school Puritanism and start heating up our “A” brands.
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When (mainstream) conservative men write about gender, they can be about as self-hating as a white liberal writing about race.
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“Is there a way I can incorporate my cancer story and use it as an advantage when meeting women?”
Nope. Cancer is weakness and sorry bud…all of the tear jerking cancer comercials to the contrary you actually didn’t beat it yourself…your doctors did. You’ll only come across as sick, different and weak to girls.
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Madras, they use the moral code like a club to beat off betas.
The beta-Christian guy will maintain his place six inches away until they marry. The beta-non-Christian will lose interest before breaking down her resistance.
The alpha-Christian will go as far as his own moral code allows, and knows right well that six inches isn’t a Bible law. The alpha-non-Christian will let her think her inhibitions will be a secret with him, and she can allow herself to relax with him. He knows she wants to be reamed.
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Any conservative theorist worth his salt knows that accepting human depravity is the bedrock principle to understanding human nature. Any alleged conservative who applies this to one sex but not the other is unserious.
The biggest problem in the American religious conservative sphere is that evangelicals are still shying away from the feminist accusation that all Christians of being wife-beaters and “oppressors.” As evangelicals have become more educated, they soaked in more academic feminist crap about how the Bible supposedly recommends and historically condoned rape and beatings. It’s a version of same line about how the Bible supposedly supported slavery – even though the only “recommendations” generally soften the impact of what was, at the time, a reality of the peculiar institution. In truth, it required severe hermeneutical gymnastics by Southerners to try to bring slavery in line with their values, and Christianity was at the root of the Abolitionist movement. But evangelicals have been on the defensive about “race inequality” ever since. It’s basically the same effort with regard to alleged “sex inequality,” and evangelicals have caved big-time, trying to parrot feminist canards to avoid criticism (as though that ever insulated anyone). Serious-minded conservatives know that men and women, while different in temperament and outlook, are both equally depraved; thus they should reject both “there are no differences” feminism, and “women are our superiors” fetishizing. The fetishizing is almost worse, since it denies women’s humanity AND makes chumps of men.
I attended a conservative college and one semester I was assigned as temporary T.A. for a young female professor (the professor I normally T.A.’d for was on sabbatical). The young prof was about 28-30, new to the department, smart, fun conversationalist, and a pretty cute blonde to boot – probably a 6.5. One afternoon I was grading papers in her office while she talked on the phone to a friend, discussing her dating life. Mid-way through the conversation she burst out with: “Why are Christian guys always such WEENIES?!” I always remembered that, for two reasons. First, it encapsulated the frustration women naturally feel when their men behave like betas. Second, though we had flirted before, that comment led to absolutely crazy sex on her desk (keyboard was a casualty) within the week. I didn’t know anything about “game” at the time – still don’t profess to practice it – but I knew that she wanted someone to stop kissing up to her. In retrospect, belatedly assigning categories, I can see that I “negged” her teaching style and followed up from there. She was dying for a guy to stop fawning and congratulating her for being “smart, successful, and spiritual” and just start doing her.
That didn’t make her, or women generally, any more or less pure than the rest of humanity. Humanity is corrupt and women are as human as the rest of us.
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Greenberg’s article is another example of a man crapping on other men to make himself look better in the vicious status contest that consumes white America today. He is, of course, a smug, fatuous, patronizing, condescending oaf who has a sufficiently low opinion of women as to think they would give a damn about the sop he’s throwing them. But…Greenberg’s target is not ultimately the women he’s trying to impress. It’s the other men he’s trying to put down.
Feminism is a put-up job, a cabal of white alpha males (the “patriarchy”) using women academics and journalists and lawyers to reduce, humiliate and otherwise render harmless the only group of humans white alpha males fear as potential status rivals: other white males. Greenberg is trying to pull the same stunt in his own miniscule nothingman way: trash other white men and demonstrate thereby his own superiority to them.
Ask yourself the question asked by that master of ideological warfare, Lenin: Who? Whom?
Then follow the vectors of abuse to their target. That’s the real action. That’s what’s really going on.
Greenberg may think he’s impressing women, but impressing women is a waste of time: women worship powerful men and men can ultimately only impress women by being powerful.
Greenberg is thinking he can pass himself off as one of the powerful by trashing other white men. Of course, what he’s really doing is acting as the PR flack for his betters. He’s doing their dirty work for them.
Eventually, he’ll get his reward. And it won’t be the love of hot women. Or membership in the big boy’s club. The Greenbergs of this world are dispensable. This time next year, he’s gone.
No loss. The patriarchy will have its next hatchet-job PR flunky ready to do his nasty little work for them.
Meet the new boss. Same as…
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Although Roissy’s piece was beautifully written I don’t think the idea that women are capable of sin is anything revolutionary. When I sit in church my minister tells us we are in need of redemption, not just the men. He is a liberal. though.
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ferdinand –
you, sir, are a giant doosh.
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This is the essence of Beta Game; disqualify Alpha sexual competition competing for the same pool of females by better identifying himself with what he believes (or what he’s been conditioned to believe) are the imperatives and prerequisites of the women he hopes to poach from an Alpha’s potential harem.
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Well done, HLS.
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Wow, it’s amazing how bitter you can sound sometimes. The guy is clearly an idiot and I’m surprised that you can let him rankle you to a point my where you are trying to rub your numerous exploits in his face to counter – even of that was not what you were trying to do. While there may have been a time and place to do this this was not it.
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Amazing post. I love it.
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@Renee: “I’m kind of surprised though that you slept with married women, considering how you think that it’s worse if they cheat than married men who cheat.”
Women never manage to grasp this concept. Sleeping with a married woman isn’t something that would cause a moment’s loss of sleep for any man. I’m pretty sure I’m doing so now, though I never asked. I’m not breaking the sanctity of her marriage: she is. If it weren’t with me, it would be with some other dude. The only reason to turn down such sex is if it inconveniences you socially; like if she’s really into drama. Mostly though, they cause fewer problems than unattached women, because they want to keep it all a secret.
@Backdoorman: PM me if you want. I haven’t Roissy’s experience with marrieds, but I have some experience. Some of it you’re even familiar with: S. was married to a fellow who was arguably much more of a natural alpha than me when she was sitting on my dong. She was also a barking looney, of course, as are most egregious cheaters. I figure the best approach to fidelity is to just assume they’re cheating and learn how to live with it, whether by having your own affairs or just not noticing. If you find out for sure, or are humiliated by it being real over the top, eject of course.
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All the posts about this guy running Beta Game are spot on. That’s all this is. The Beta ravings of a mutt begging for table scraps.
Vomit inducing.
Like Roissy, I took the blue pill (or is it red pill?) long ago with regards to the “fairer sex” and it is not a journey you can ever truly return from. Like Roissy I have been the cheater and cheatee, with eyes wide open, absorbing it all.
Where to go from here? Put on the blinders and be the Beta punk? No thank you.
I think Corey Haim had it right.
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Hey there PatrickH! Nice post! But I think you meant a cabal of BETA-males.
I mean look at Greenberg and Goldberg–total BETAS look all the unheroic Neocons, which is why they send others to die in their foreign, fiat wars on foreign shores, as they wage war on marriage and teh common, honest alpha male in tehir own country!! lozlzl!
What jonah goldberg forgets to mention is that women committed over 50,000,000 abortions since the fiat class’s Roe vs. Wade, as well as teh fact that women originate 2/3 of all divorces.
This is because divorce and abortion are huge neocon profit centers, which also serve to dehumanize humanity and make them all suck on the fiat teat that Jonah Goldberg et al dangle from The National Review which, like America, they killed dead. lozzllz!
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Laura,
Although Roissy’s piece was beautifully written I don’t think the idea that women are capable of sin is anything revolutionary. When I sit in church my minister tells us we are in need of redemption, not just the men. He is a liberal. though.
Exactly. Maybe that makes my Bishop a liberal.
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Great post.
Hopefully it will motivate Chuck to finally see Blade Runner
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I’ve watched nipples harden in the dark near the cathedral gate,
Blade runner…
A movie where the protagonist runs off with a woman….. manufacture by a man. A geek man.
Roissy really got up my skirt with that one.
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Lupo,
Women never manage to grasp this concept. Sleeping with a married woman isn’t something that would cause a moment’s loss of sleep for any man.
I never said it would.
I’m pretty sure I’m doing so now, though I never asked. I’m not breaking the sanctity of her marriage: she is. If it weren’t with me, it would be with some other dude. The only reason to turn down such sex is if it inconveniences you socially; like if she’s really into drama. Mostly though, they cause fewer problems than unattached women, because they want to keep it all a secret.
All I’m saying is if you’re going to sleep with married women, don’t condem married women for cheating (I’m not excusing it, cheating is wrong period – that’s just what I believe). It just doesn’t make sense how a person can post a whole topic about how it’s worse when a married woman cheats than a married man doing it, insults them, and he himself sleeps with married women.
Now if he no longer does it then I can understand.
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Funny you should say that, I have been writing some similar in my series about Useful Idiots..
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/useful-idiots-04/
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Fucking epic post.
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@Renee: “All I’m saying is if you’re going to sleep with married women, don’t condem married women for cheating “
Of course I condemn them for cheating, you bozo. Not personally, obviously, as that would rather inconvenience me. Women who cheat are evil betrayers of trust, ruiners of families and civilization, and inhuman liars. My fucking someone like that does not make me any of those things. It just makes me a guy who sleeps with evil woman, which is to say, a heterosexual.
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If you overhear conversations between women, you are guaranteed to lose any respect for them.
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/things-i-learned-at-starbucks-1/
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[…] Roissy, in one of his many excellent political posts, asks Why Do Conservatives Sanctify Women? […]
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http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/things-i-learned-at-starbucks-1/
The truth!
“It is amazing how common cheating is, especially among married and attached woman.”
“You are either the clueless provider or the guy they fuck on the side, but both are readily replaceable up to a certain age.”
“They see everything you have as theirs, but their stuff is only for them.”
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Perhaps your most important post, Roissy. The state of culture in this country is disgusting, and I’m glad you brought it to light.
My parents, who are conservatives, brainwashed me on the sanctity of women over men my whole life. It was only with experience that I realized that men and women are equally good and bad, and that pedastalizing a woman is one of the worst things you could do.
Great post!
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Good post by Roissy. He’s right. Being a conservative, I agree. (Personally, I only put a woman on a pedestal so I can look up her dress, but he’s got the drift… human nature is flawed, if not rotten, and conservatives should realize that includes women too.)
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I know that all women are capable of cheating given the right circumstances, but the tone on this blog is less on the circumstances, and more on the immoral, alpha-craving nature of all women. Fine, that’s what this blog is largely about, but I would suggest a bit of temperance, especially among the bitter creeps who can’t get laid and take out their frustrations through their comments here. Maybe I’m a sucker, but I just find it hard to imagine my woman, for example, actively seeking sex with another man right now. That doesn’t mean she couldn’t fall to the predations of another dude, but again, the circumstances would have to be just right. I’d rather view her as a good woman with the same potential weaknesses we all have than as whore who spends every waking minute trying to betray me. Some women are better and more faithful than others. At least, believing this helps me sleep at night….
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Roissy — that’s a textbook example of purple prose. Rein it in next time.
[editor: never! it amuses me to write like this.]
But in terms of substance, a good post.
My no-illusions-about-life mother was the first woman to clue me in that girls are just as tough and nasty and self-interested as boys.
Any man who thought otherwise was setting himself up for a disappointment so shattering that his life would never be the same.
I didn’t believe her.
But damn — the first time a girl ripped my heart out in a way almost intended to inflict maximum pain, I was so traumatized that each year, as the anniversary of the event rolls around, I still get anxious remembering how she abused me.
“After the first death, there is no other” — the good thing is, a girl can do it to you only once.
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“This is the essence of Beta Game; disqualify Alpha sexual competition competing for the same pool of females by better identifying himself with what he believes (or what he’s been conditioned to believe) are the imperatives and prerequisites of the women he hopes to poach from an Alpha’s potential harem.”
Unfortunately the very nature of beta game is that it repels women. Beta came comes from a position of weakness and sacrifice; alpha game comes from a position of strength, power and self interest. From the position of evolution, which position is most beneficial for a woman’s offspring to have?
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Silly Moderation….
Roissy how many of these pedastolized, “classy” women insisted that you wear a condom? My guess is that most were more then happy to indulge in their base hypergamic instincts.
[editor: none. and btw, most of these women never mentioned their marital or “taken” status to me when we met. although, once i found out (usually they told me after a month or two), i didn’t exactly do the saintly thing and stop banging them. and neither did they.]
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Great article, I watched the newest edition of Blade Runner last night, incidently.
Secondly, though you have divided men into two equal groups, and most men fall into these two categories, I think a lot of liberals actually worship women. It seems to me there are two types of liberals. Those who love degradation, as you note and those who worship at the alter of liberal values. The latter type are those who genuinely believe that liberal ways of thinking (i.e socialism etc) will bring about paradise where they will be immersed in the sweet nectar of many gladly given pussies and be protected from all the evil horrors of the world. These are the SWPL, herbs, hipsters and other weak forms of men.
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Your adherence to truth is why I keep coming to this blog. Broads are no less shiesty than men. There is no ‘fairer sex’. My first threesome was with a married chic.
Her man was some upper echelon guy in the military, had to have paid pretty well. Paid to get her fake boobs. They had a beautiful house with a pool. I can’t remember if her job paid for shit. I do remember she was in HR though (big surprise there right?)
Before we left to the bar, we met her daughter (very awkward) and she complained to us, in front of her kid, about how her husband needs to stand up to his boss. So essentially this dude is getting punked at work and nagged at home. Awful role model obviously. She was hot as hell though, so maybe the dude felt lucky to be with her. Who knows what drives men to accept this condition?
She paid for our cab ride to and from the bar (safety first haha) and I provided a few rounds of drinks for us. My maximum outlay was probably $30.
We got back to her place, skinny dipped for a bit, all the while she’s talking about me like I’m a piece of meat, which was fine haha. We all bathed, and then my chic and the hostess went at it on the marital bed while I watched for a while.
She gave me the signal, and I jumped in. The married chic liked it rough, so I did all the choking and hair-pulling and spanking she could take. On this man’s bed that he worked his ass off for. Poor bastard. I worked it so good, my chic was all sad about it for weeks afterward. Wondering why I usually didn’t do her like that.
Thinking back, I probably should’ve worn protection, but I wasn’t exactly thinking clearly at that point anyway.
After it was over, the three of us crashed on their bed, since dude was deployed, there was no real danger of him showing up and shooting me, which I definitely deserved. Hell, I deserve it now, about 20% of my hit list was married-at-time-of-bang. That’s not even including chics with boyfriends.
This place is going down the toilet. Who in their right mind gets married anymore? Honestly?
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“editor: none. and btw, most of these women never mentioned their marital or “taken” status to me when we met. although, once i found out (usually they told me after a month or two), i didn’t exactly do the saintly thing and stop banging them. and neither did they.”
Do people not wear wedding rings anymore?
[editor: not as much as used to be the case.]
From what I’ve seen, almost all married people do – especially women. If these women weren’t wearing rings when you met (before even knowing they would meet you), that should be your first clue that they might be outliers among married women. I’m not saying married women (even those with rings) aren’t susceptible to seduction. I’m just pointing that married women not wearing rings are probably outliers who are out looking for it from the get go.
If they were wearing wedding rings, then it’s a bit disingenuous to say “they never mentioned it.” They probably just assumed you weren’t retarded.
[most women are “looking for it” when they cheat. it’s rarer for a happily married woman to fall into the sack with an available alpha interloper who happens to cross her path. the relevant question isn’t whether women will cheat when they’re looking for it (most will) but how often and under what circumstances women are looking for it.]
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I became a conservative in college because I got sick of political correctness and left-wing closed mindedness.
After a while, I get sick of the moral preening and outright buffoonery of “holier-than-thou” conservatives like Bill Bennett and Jack Kemp.
Now I am a libertarian/libertine who hates most conservatives and liberals.
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Cool Blade Runner reference I have the Roy Baty monologue up on my blog.
What we call conservatism these days comes from Victorianism, which believed in the superiority of women; but Victorianism was a liberal philosophy, and modern liberalism *also* comes from Victorianism. There is a blogger who goes by Mencius Moldbug who has a lot of interesting stuff on this.
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You may not be interested in war, but it is interested in you. It might be a frustrated Muslim son of a billionaire polygamist, blowing up his crotch to bring down your airliner. It might be some frustrated Muslim men deciding to slaughter the mall you are shopping inside. It might be blinding flash of light killing millions inside the city you work and live in, to build a thug network. Regardless, if you are interested in it or not, War is DEFINITELY interested in you. As your safety and security bubble pops like pathetic leftist Theo Van Gogh begging his Muslim jihadi murderer not to kill him. Your “safe European home” is over. The man at the door of the “safe room” has an axe.
That being said, this attitude is typical of both older men and social liberals (of which Goldberg, fan of gay marriage, is one). So too, Laurence Auster. All fail from the same thing: refusal to look reality in the eye. Whether it is widespread female hypergamy gone wild without restriction (like men slaughtering each other on Pitcairn Island over the few available women) or the reality of technology and globalization allowing third world Muslims the ability to slaughter you in safe, comfortable Western cities.
Women have their virtues, as do men, but also their flaws. Older men, or those with many female relatives or wives don’t want to look at the reality of the situation. That in a radically changed society female hypergamy has no penalties and many rewards. None of Tiger Woods bimbos faces loss of money, face, shame, shunning, social ostracization, or lawsuits. Rielle Hunter is now touted as the model for American women. Angelina Jolie is the model for “Alpha stealing” for millions of like-minded women. Stupidity and faddish PC idiocies are lapped up like champagne by the older females that watch the “View” or “Oprah.” Women routinely go for the most Alpha bad boy they can by class and race. For some, it’s a beating that shows how much the bad boy is Alpha, for others classy “harems” ala Don Draper on Mad Men (beloved by women).
And just like all those Pakistani and Iranian nukes, or Jihadi terrorist killings, beta men with blinders refuse to see the reality. Because recognizing it would radically change their entire lives.
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@Roissy,
I’ll agree that some of the conservative Christians I’ve known have a knack for denying reality.
As for your stories above, I recall you recently bragging on your capacity for storytelling with confabulation, fabrication, and deviating form the facts.
[editor: you recall wrongly.]
I’ll consider your generalizations, but not the stories.
[i don’t give a shit what you consider.]
As for myself, I’ve found that perhaps, once every 5 yrs. I meet a man that I crush on. My strategy is to avoid them temporarily and the thoughts pass. Time clears my thinking and I laugh at myself later to even consider the possibility.
husband’s partner #1…..gross slimy cheater
husband’s partner #2….Eeeww, too old!
my pastor………………..Eeeww. Gross
husband’s competitor…….too fat now
my younger partner………wasted manwhore
Imagine what your cheating married ladies are thinking of you now. 😦 Eeewwwww!
[some of them hate me, some of them miss me, some of them still love me.]
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this was the most stomach-churning science-based pornography since bruno sniffed his mom’s pussy in ‘the elementary particles’
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“Women are vile creatures at heart, just as men are.” — precisely, and this is a sentiment that contradicts both what our blogmeister calls the “conservative” view of women (I’m pretty paleo and for sure don’t see myself or my sisters that way) and some of the hate-mongering that is put out by a few (not all!) of the posters who reply to Roissy.
The recent social problems that are the ramifications of female promiscuity (and every time a girl does the wild thing there’s a man doing it with her, assuming heterosexuality, of course) are encouraged by no-fault divorce (I think it’s divorce per se, actually, though the no-fault stuff adds another layer of shit to it) , contraception, abortion, and the ridiculous, man-raping alimony and child support laws (including expecting men to pay for children born out of wedlock). The other part of it is the sexual revolution — which was participated in so liberally by women because of their desire to break out of the oppressive “women are sexless, angelic creatures” crap of Victorian times.
The sap and the hate both have to be stifled if we’re to survive. Men shouldn’t hate women for being as horny as they are, even if the effects of female promiscuity are more serious (though no more immoral on an individual level). And we have to fight the aforementioned laws to make civilization possible again. But backlash won’t help, boys.
Also, BTW, I see a lot of talk here by *some* posters about women’s lack of reason, etc. But there are (at least) two ways of knowing, and there are spheres of excellence, etc. Even if women, as a group, were, say, more emotional than men doesn’t mean that women shouldn’t be respected as any other human being should be; women, as a group, are also, generally, the difference between a house and a home, for ex., and are often the muse (and, more often than some here tend to believe, “creators” of Art). And the bell curves show that there are women and men that cover a spectrum of behaviors and intellects. Individual differences among the generalities should be respected. By law and by us.
Anyway, rock on, Roissy, when it comes to waking people up to the ugly truths about too many of our laws and to the fact that women aren’t angels (and, for those few posters here, neither are we demons). What you’re doing here– well, aside from the sad okaying of male promiscuity and the occasional nasty attitudes toward us women — is so fucking important. I really hope you don’t stop blogging!
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yeah, why do conservatives sanctify women? and why are their political beliefs so fucking queer?
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A great post!
As you said also in your response to some of the comments above, it’s not that married women are constantly on the prowl to cheat. However, if there are any issues in the homelife, that’s when the likelihood for cheating goes through the roof, for women. And to be honest very, very few married couples don’t go through periods where things are going so well — it’s ups and downs, even if the couple stays together, generally. And when the marriage is in one of the “down” periods, that’s when she’s a very high risk to cheat. As a result of that, the level of female cheating is quite high, but it’s not “constant” — almost all women become susceptible to it at some point in their marriages and most of them will give in to it, but at other points in their marriages they aren’t susceptible to it.
As for Greenberg — typical social conservative jackass pedestalizer. As you rightly say, the conservatives and the liberals alike put the squeeze play on men in the culture from very different angles which conveniently arrive in the same basic place.
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“Can anyone vouch for this keyboard jockey around the bars and clubs of DC?”
The *remarkable* personal results I’ve had since discovering this blog in August are proof enough for me.
Women are easier to score w/ than one could ever imagine if the right buttons are pushed, and time and again Roissy is pitch-perfect in illustrating effective button-pushing.
You would have a harder time convincing me that he wasn’t getting laid regularly than that any exaggeration takes place.
BTW, I got a new lay last night, and am currently … behind a keyboard
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Roissy emphasises cheating and that’s understandable: the visceral reaction to his graphical scenarios is what is emotively horrific to men. Let us expand on this and briefly dwell on its consequence of the reported 10% cuckoldry rate.
The potential capacity women have for deception in cuckoldry and other matters is shocking: a construction of a faux facade of innocence, endless rationalisation justifying the unjustifiable and hurt martyrdom that defies an unsuspecting man’s expectation.
What they can do to a man via their horrifically sociobiologically inbuilt golddigging instinct is shocking. The instinct is strong. Most women will say they want a man who is ‘loaded’; it’s a powerful desire.
She will harass, psychologically abuse, use sex as a weapon, drag children and her husband(s) through divorce courts. She will do all this without hesitation and with a full sense of entitlement. She will make everyone unhappy: herself, her children, her relatives, her partner. While being the main vehicle behind all this, she will find it very difficult to accept responsibility.
Women can be insufferably cruel and their cruelty is particularly limited to those they most hurt; their admirers. They can use admiration to extract and manipulate many things with no reciprocity.
I’m not a misanthropist. It’s simply important to realise women have their flaws and they are not the foundation for morality. What gives this illusion is a lack of aggressiveness: this does not mean there aren’t a host of passive manipulative and exploitative techniques to achieve evil and pain.
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barbbabs–
No, Patrick got it right. It IS a cabal of alphas. The objective is to hoard all the pussy for themselves and create a class of women who can take care of their own abortions and be independent yet service the alphas on demand.
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Alright, Roissy, good work.
Now, bend over, and let me bloody roger your anus with my unlubed dildo.
[editor: you are so yesterday’s hater.]
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What anony means is your story about your Caribbean vacation, how you saved those French chicks from being knifed by the drug dealer and saved the boy from drowning while feeding the fish.
[editor: that was a post explicitly about embroidering stories as a game tactic to arouse a woman. it wasn’t a post about lying when writing about conservatives and their attitudes toward women. anony just doesn’t like that i rightly called her out as a flaming cunt for being against mandatory paternity testing for all the wrong reasons.]
Know intuitively? Girls are indoctrinated. Be nice. Don’t be a slut. Get married. Breed.
To castrate.
The reason those conservatives praise women is that girls are brought up to value relationships more than boys are. Thus, feminism notwithstanding, women are more likely to accept others’ say-so, to not rock the boat, and to uphold the status quo, while men are more likely to look at the facts of reality and ask questions.
Women have the rules, which are based on a My Little Pony universe and don’t work (except on “betas” maybe). Men have game, which is based on reality and works.
The upshot is, conservatives hope women will continued to believe their family values and force them on men. Those ticking biological clocks don’t hurt that
civilizationenslavement of men, either.Problem is, as Roissy pointed out, that of those women who do fall for the conservatives’ Bronze Age values many believe in them, but don’t act on them. While they’re paying lip service to those backward conservative values, they’re paying “lip service” to something else.
No, it’s just that what you call vile is good and what you call good is vile.
[cheating on a loyal, doting husband is good?]
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Bhetti +1
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Roissy, why do you bareback flings? Aren’t you worried about the girl not using the pill correctly or diseases? Genuinely curious.
[editor: i don’t make a habit of barebacking flings. in the case of the cheaters i slept with, i made a calculation based on their station in life, their overall characters (excluding incipient whoredom), and their temperaments, and decided that they were low risk for gotcha pregnancies or virus vectoring. i calculated correctly.]
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Sestabini,
So you are saying that greenberg @ townhall and jonah goldberg are alphas?
Lolz!
Maybe compared 2 your tiny weiner.
When girls ask me why I didn’t call I go “because duh you’re working 4 jonah goldberg and the federal reserve system which makes u a cum dumpster but not a gf dudh.”
Neocons are betas which is why they need alphas to die on foreign shores in their undeclared, unconstitutional wars.
Of course greenberg and jonah godlberg exalt women and place them on pedestals, so that you mary them, and that way the neocon fiat state can gain access to your bank account and home. Lolz!
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[cheating on a loyal, doting husband is good?]
Being a loyal, doting husband that expects monogamy is bad (because it’s expecting the impossible). Monogamy is cruel, too.
[editor: this will be the subject for a new post.]
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“gotcha pregnancies”
For a second I thought this was a term Roissy just made up…but after a quick search…
wow…
http://jezebel.com/5207130/gotcha-pregnancies-advice-goddesses-are-anything-but
Women DEBATING about whether or not men should rights in the event of a “gotcha pregnancies”.
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One of my friends ended up marrying the girl (who was 8 years his senior) after her “gotcha pregnancy”. He ended moving into her condo, taking over 1/2 her payments. After the baby was born, she quit her job, and now he is making 2/2 of the payments. 😉
In a few more years I expect the c/s payments, in addition to the Lifetime Alimony payments. You know, because she, like, “sacrificed” her career, so he could have a family.
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Look guys, just treat the “ladies” how they should be treated. Watch their behavior, it’s pretty simple.
Think about it… if those graphic detailed words are what actually happened, then you need to put your prudish behavior aside and take your Matrix glasses off.
Listen to some of what these “sweet ladies” are saying Lol. Best of both worlds yada yada yada… on and on and on.
You can tell many things about an American woman.
I can see American stock from a mile away. Overpriced, waaay overpriced.
Just slip in and get out, you know kinda stealth like. Just have fun with the “ladies” don’t take them serious, pay no mind. It’s really pathetic but generally, American women lack real character (e.g values, morals, principles).
You really don’t want to invest in something like this. If you really need to have a relationship, try getting out of the States. Believe it guys it’s a vast difference, sure there are always exceptions but the rule stands.
Try not to get upset due to the “ladies upbringing” it is what it is.
Just remember, when women hit 30 all bets are off per se.
“I had my fun, now it’s time to look for my beta male”.
I have nothing against various men knowing a husband wife’s body before he does but you just have to watch her behavior.
If young women go from guy to guy in their 20’s they will have no clue about a commitment when it comes to marriage, hence 70% initiated divorce rate by who?
So fellas have fun with the “ladies” and watch the behavior.
Be safe.
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Roissy, how does this stack up with your plea to date innocent, doe-eyed teachers and non-career grrrls?
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/10/most-adulterous-prof.html
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Isn’t it strange that an observer gifted with discernment regarding the essence of human sexual relations insists on ignoring the obvious driving force behind the disaster that is the modern American culture and mores and instead takes us meandering through the underbelly of the sexual capital to arrive at the ridiculous notion that “conservatives are blind” to the nature of women.
Neocons are ZIONISTS.
Mr. Greenberg is a ZIONIST.
Feminism is a ZIONIST conspiracy.
Destruction of American Family and Churches are ZIONIST projects.
Please do us all a favor and spare us the red state, blue state nonsense. That is the “analytical” fare provided for the barely educated TV babies.
Not everyone of your readers’ brains is clouded by your sordid recollections.
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Re: this article, I think people with a natural conservative bent like me, but read this blog and generally agree with its worldview, are really torn. I’ll admit I don’t really “like” women for the slimy half-formed beings they are, and I judge and look down on the loose ones (all of them).
Understanding that people need not be slaves to their basest instincts, it becomes all the more disgusting to see that women are incapable of refraining from so being.
I vacillate on what the fuck I ought to do with women in my life. Things would be simpler, calmer, and more economically flush without having a relationship, that’s for sure.
I am 100% certain, however, if I ever get married, I will not hesitate to blow my wife’s brains out if she ever does me wrong. Some things are just worth it…your male dignity is definitely one.
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None of the married/taken chicks that I’ve banged insisted on a condom, whereas 90% of the “single” women are adamant about it.
If that doesn’t speak volumes of the nature of women, I don’t know what does.
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None of the married/taken chicks that I’ve banged insisted on a condom, whereas 90% of the “single” women are adamant about it.
If that doesn’t speak volumes of the nature of women, I don’t know what does.
Yep. Baker goes into this in the book “Sperm Wars”. Apparently women are generally speaking far less likely to use any contraceptives during cheat sex. Baker believes that this is because of wiring to get access to the sperm of the guy she’s cheating with — from the perspective of a woman’s genes, cheating is a great opportunity to get different (hopefully better) DNA than her long term partner, so “oops” tends to happen quite a bit in cheat sex.
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Yeah I’ve noticed that too. It’s just fucked up beyond belief. It makes me sick. I used to be an extremely beta nice guy. Am obviously extremely glad I got into game. I have no respect for any woman now. She’s a worthless whore until proven otherwise.
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Love the Bladerunner reference. My favourite movie.
Keep up the great work, Roissy!
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gamu
Human instincts must also have been designed by the “Zionist” conspiracy for your theory to make sense.
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@Rum
You’re such a fool. Agitprop and indoctrination are not organic phenomena.
Human nature has been understood and addressed for a few thousands years now, before “conservatives” mounted an orchestrated attack on all fronts to dismantle Christian civilization.
Just stick your head out of your ass and go read, for God’s sake.
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Plus, women have cheated on you.
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gamu
rum is a zionist empathizer; though sharp, he may be summarily ignored
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“tears in rain”
Ha! RiDC’s a replicant. (I am shocked – SHOCKED – at this news.)
Someone beat me to the Robin Baker/Sperm Wars ref, but it bears expanding on; a women who is paired with a high-status male is unlikely to cheat, a women with a low-status male is likely to cheat – with a higher status male. Liberal and Conservative doesn’t enter into it (no pun intended).
Alex: “The reason those conservatives praise women is that girls are brought up to value relationships more than boys are.”
No, it’s biology; see The Female Brain by Louann Brizendine
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Lupo,
Of course I condemn them for cheating, you bozo. Not personally, obviously, as that would rather inconvenience me.
Oh but of course…..
Women who cheat are evil betrayers of trust, ruiners of families and civilization, and inhuman liars. My fucking someone like that does not make me any of those things. It just makes me a guy who sleeps with evil woman, which is to say, a heterosexual.
No, a heterosexual is a heterosexual. A guy who sleeps with evil women is part of the problem and contributors of that betrayal of trust, ruination of families and civilization, and lying. Do you really think that guys and ladies who have affairs with married people shouldn’t be called out on their behavior as well and face condemnation?
I simply think it’s funny how a person who sleeps with a married person condems married people who cheat.
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Roissy, good taste in movies! Keep up the good work.
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T-1000,
I’ll admit I don’t really “like” women for the slimy half-formed beings they are, and I judge and look down on the loose ones (all of them).
Slimy half-formed….that’s a new one. And do you actually have any proof that ALL women are loose?
Understanding that people need not be slaves to their basest instincts, it becomes all the more disgusting to see that women are incapable of refraining from so being.
You are aware how often men here talk about and condone banging as many women are possible right? Or discussing how to not get caught cheating?
I am 100% certain, however, if I ever get married, I will not hesitate to blow my wife’s brains out if she ever does me wrong. Some things are just worth it…your male dignity is definitely one.
Well for your sake I hope you stay single. And considering the occurance of rape in prisons, do you think your dignity is worth that risk?
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Roissy,
Ive noticed that many social conservatives are secretely supportive of our ridiculous divorce laws because they want to force men back into churches to find religious-brides out of fear of financial destruction from irreligious women. %%They also see it as a way to guarantee their birthrates will be higher than secular birthrates%%.
Its very saddening to me, because these are precisely the people who should be interested in a “just” society. Any man suffering from the “divorce-theft-pillage” at the hands of the state is a victim and should be comforted, not excoriated.
Thomas Fleming’s article last week in Chronicles was particularily disturbing to me, but its not all that much of a suprise. I get to hear these people talk (my parents are major league Jesus-freaks and they know many more folk just like themselves). These people cannot -imagine-what modern women are like, and that many women coldly-calculate marriages and walk down aisles with the full intention of cheating on the man and leaving him (with full state-sponsored financial theft of him) between 5 and 10 years later. We could change so much by simply changing the divorce laws and taking this legal-theft-option away from women.
I honestly think many relatively young women, in their hind-brains, contemplate a divorce-theft-bonanza, like a professional bank robber would think about heisting a bank vault with poor security: a “life option” available to them at any time with virtually no risk.
Women are “vouchsafed” for in this civilization. They need not worry about fucking up badly enough in life to ever be homeless or hungry. They can always pretend love and get some schmuck to marry them, always get knocked-up and shit a kid on the rest of us that ‘entitles’ them to food, clothing, and free shelter, and can also play victim to elicit sympathy they don’t deserve. We are now financially broke however, and its only an awesome military bequeathed to us by hordes of hardworking, diligent betas that underwrites our further borrowing. If we were a ordinary country, the T-bill buyers would have already have dried up and we’d be up shitscreek with sticks-for-paddles.
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The last married chick I fucked was happy to allow me to raw dog her while she was on slutcation with her other (also married and cheating) friend.
The icing on the cake- she flew back in to town two weeks later, and this time had no objections to me breaking out the video cam.
Any man who has been with more than 8 or 10 women who still thinks they are virtuous creatures needs to have their head examined.
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Homeless Guy in china has become an overnight celebrity due to being alpha as fuck.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/handsome-chinese-vagrant-draws-fans-of-homeless-chic-1915812.html
The guy looks like he’s in a movie at all times.
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Novaseeker,
Since I come from a religous background and suspect you might too, I was wondering if you have noticed many on the religious right secretely are -happy-about our insane divorce laws?
They figure that the divorce laws being as they are virtually guarantee that the religous will eventually outbreed the secular in a few generations (and punish them for leaving churches), and the right-wing will again be ascendant. However, massive immigration provides new lefty-voters and one would have to be blind to miss this.
Ive privately loosely developed a little social theory in my own mind concerning people’s motivations. People have primal ‘enemies’ who are social, reproductive, cultural, and finanical threats to themselves. The “others” who are the primal reproductive (and social) competition to themselves are their “PRIMAL-enemies”. To our white elite, average whites are the biggest threat, and hence their primal enemy, even though they at-first-glance would seem to be their strongest allies. Hence why so many of our policies seem to be aimed at disadvantaging regular whites at the expense of feminism or racialism-quotas so the whites at the top of the social/economic heap are unencumbered by their most-able-would-be-competition. Its practically human nature. However these ridiculous policies they have concocted ensnare men of all races also. I imagine the next generation of hispanic and asian men will join black and white men as alimony-and-child-support-deductible-paying-wage/debt slaves to our psuedo matriarchy/alpha-daddy-guv’ment. It seems the elite have found a wonderful way to play “divide-and-conquer” and to create division where there previously was none.
Religous conservatives typically see irreligoius whites as their biggest enemy, and hence their secret satisfaction with these laws that inhibit their family-formation. They are the enemies who have their social and reproductive respect, and thus their invective as well.
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http://marylandreporter.com/page5503459.aspx
Recent news validates Roissy…
“Child support hike contested in Senate”
It was dems who blocked it and conservatives who tried to pushit forward…
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Roissy, what happened to the code of men?
Perhaps you should start using your jedi mind tricks on wives whose husbands are in Iraq, as those relationships are surely strained. Don’t worry, those soldiers are beta providers anyway so it would be completely justified.
[editor: for the record, none of the cheating women revealed their status to me when we met. i don’t make it a point to target married women. too many unnecessary entanglements when there are plenty of single women to choose from.]
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I have my doubts that Western Civilization as we know it can be saved, principally because too much of it has been built on radically naive ideas about female sexual instincts. Any efforts to save it are done no favors by folks who wish to distract us from the core problem – gender dynamics – with the silly idea that one small group of people in the world can, among other feats, overwhelm human instincts with their trickery. Yawn.
The Old South, the loser in the American Civil War, was wrong about a lot of things. But they were in the ballpark regarding HBD and they stayed out of the trap of anti-semite-ism. The longest serving Sec. of State of the CSA was a guy named Judah Benjamin. I know about this sort of thing because a relative of mine was the one before him.
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About 15 years ago I went thru a “wild phase” in that I wasn’t discriminatory. If she was hot, I did her, regardless of her baggage. And my opinion of women as moral constructs relative to sex just dropped and dropped. And then it all came to a head, so to speak.
A young Asian woman, a solid 9, was introduced to me at a party. Huge 2-carat diamond on her finger. She ended up going home with me. I used her every which way and then some that night.
Covered in sweat and 20 orgasms later, she asks me if I would do her in front of her husband and then use my muscles on him to further humiliate him. I agreed.
Classic bull and cuck situation: that weekend I powerfucked her and then obliterated her husband. After that, I never looked back worrying about the morality of women.
Kudos Roissy on a great post!
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Rum
Actually, if you remember, Western Civilization was based on the true, base nature of women.
Eve was responsible for Adam’s fall.
In Homer’s Odyssey he had to resist the Sirens and Circe, sail between Scylla and Charbidis, and leave the grasp of Calypso. In the end, all the whores sleeping with all the false suirtors to his wife were taken out and hung.
His wife Penelope was the one who remained faithful throughout, and even that was set against Agamemnon coming on home to his wife who had taken on a new suitor.
So you see why the Necocons such as Charlotte Allen exalt Tucker Max instead of Homer and the Bible, while Jona Goldberg/Greenberg never refer to them either, but instead plot on how to grow teh government under the guiose of conservatism, and divorce and debauchery under the guise of marriage.
lozlzlzl! neocons kill everything they touch lozlzllzlz
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10 bucks and a zagnut bar says that Roissy didn’t have a stable family life with parents still married when growingup.
Is Roissy a beta?
That is a good question me thinks.
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Great Books
Congratulations on getting sober.
I said “too much” built on wrong ideas.
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@Renee
1. Married women are hardly called out for their behavior when they cheat. Society rationalizes their actions for them.
2. Single dudes who bang them aren’t cheating on anyone. Equating the two on the moral ladder is foolhardy.
@Lena
Most studies conclude that women aren’t nearly as happy as they were in the past. If smarter = less happy then you’re absolutely correct.
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Renee: “A guy who sleeps with evil women is part of the problem and contributors of that betrayal of trust, ruination of families and civilization, and lying.”
Typical female: blame the dude. Women do the choosing; if you want to blame someone, blame them. I’m not seeking these women out, they’re finding me. What is more, I’m such an arrogant bastard, they have to try really hard in order to even get my attention. Same with Roissy, I would imagine. Y’awl make it like I’m some sort of sinister despoiler of innocent wilting maidens like Valmont in Dangerous Liasons: my only real moral failing is occasionally getting a boner for these ding dongs to impale themselves on. It is the person who is married who is making the moral choice, not the person they’re sleeping with. When I roger a married woman, I break no vows: they do. You’re free to think me a bad person, and you’d be right in away, but unlike married broads who cheat, I actually don’t cheat on anybody.
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Renee:
“No, a heterosexual is a heterosexual. A guy who sleeps with evil women is part of the problem and contributors of that betrayal of trust, ruination of families and civilization, and lying.”
You’re assuming that the guy who didn’t make any promises, took no vows, and is bound to no legal agreement, has a duty to “protect” (note the quotes) the promises/legal agreements of others.
Unfortunately, ever since that guy was born, society has done its best to fuck him in the ass and make him a slave. Your expectations that the guy is somewhat honour bound to help enforce a contract he has no stakes on between two strangers are both unrealistic and extremely hypocritical.
As of this generation, ass fucking by society came first. So don’t expect us to play nice.
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Yes, the better half BS is truly revolting. I always just say “what? better half?! what the hell are you talking about? Im a perfect whole!!”
smarmy bastards
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It would be a murder-suicide, obviously. I ain’t scared.
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“You are aware how often men here talk about and condone banging as many women are possible right? Or discussing how to not get caught cheating?”
I never had a cheating instinct until I was cheated on.
I now think of it as a pre-emptive strike.
I’m not unique in my conditioning.
As Lupo says, women do the choosing. Therefore they create the rules of engagement and relationship “norms” in many ways.
My misogyny was a hard-fought war won by women. They vanquished my white knight via scorched earth campaign.
Again, I am not unique in this respect.
Keep at it ladies. Until women evolve to inherit “reason and accountability” you’re not gonna like how men evolve.
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“So you see why the Necocons such as Charlotte Allen exalt Tucker Max instead of Homer and the Bible, while Jona Goldberg/Greenberg never refer to them either, but instead plot on how to grow teh government under the guiose of conservatism, and divorce and debauchery under the guise of marriage.”
You sound like a fucking nutjob.
I’m no fan of Goldberg’s position on women and gay marriage, but you’re completely distorting his views like some wannabe Alex Jones kook.
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The second part of the Starbucks post is now up..
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/things-i-learned-at-starbucks-2/
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“It was dems who blocked it and conservatives who tried to pushit forward…”
There are “conservatives” in power in Maryland?
“Senate Judicial Proceedings Chairman Brian Frosh, D-Montgomery”
MMM-hmm…
Reading comprehension fail.
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@Baphomet: “Society rewards women for cheating, and their DNA imperative thrives on it.
I wish it weren’t this way, but I really don’t see any solution unless we go old-school Puritanism and start heating up our “A” brands.”
The solution is an early DNA test, followed by a swift divorce and NEVER EVER acting “in loco parentis” (in the place of the parent) for her bastard. Most places, you’ll just get the regular divorce screwing if you move fast enough instead of the permanent cuckold screwing you’ll get if you act like the childs father for a year or two.
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Yes, women are just as bad as men. Crucial point – this doesn’t mean worse.
Stop writing about women like they’re all evil demons and men are their helpless victims. Just as often, it happens the other way round and some lying asshole cheats on his loving, giving, unsusupecting wife in their marriage bed. Except when this happens, you’re high fiving the guy and saying what a stud he is. Your double standards are mind blowing.
Furthermore, as a stylist, you make Stephenie Meyer look like Hemingway. Your fanboys are very, very easily pleased.
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… like Blade Runner theme …
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I think I know greatbooksformen’s real identity … google “Barbara Schwarz” (you’ll be sorry you did, so I apologize in advance)
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Roissy said what needed saying. Some religious conservatives do have an annoying tendency to sanctify women, at least conservative women. Once this article makes it’s rounds, that might end. Young women do wield a tremendous amount of power in society and when they misuse it (by acting on their base desires whenever they feel like it), it can be very destructive. I think websites like this are invaluable in helping men(especially young ones) navigate their way through the current gender relations maze. Empowering men(some men, the alphas don’t need any help) in their relations with women can only be a good thing for society at this point.
Rum,
I don’t believe people in the past were any less wise than we are today about female sexual instincts. (I know that’s not exactly what you said)
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There’s nothing wrong with banging a taken woman. It would only be wrong if you didn’t make sure the boyfriend/husband found out so he could drop her. 99% of married women in this country don’t deserve a husband. They don’t really deserve to be loved at all.
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isn’t this just a vision of hell on earth, for some?
lie down with dogs, get up with flees – then write a blog!
question for Roissy – is a promise broken better, or worse, then no promise at all?
i like the social policy parts of the blog – i read the rest for the laughs (out loud)
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Y’all are cracking me up! I wish I had Roissy’s power to jump in and comment on your comments.
Most pastors I know (those who truly shepherd — not megachurchers) hear and witness this stuff all the time and are not naive.
As for a wife ruining a pastor’s career, I’ve seen it happen. My wife could do the same to me right now. However, the Bible says if you have no hand over your wife and children, you have no business being in a position of leadership over other men.
If everybody manned up an adopted the same position, that my career and life are ruined if my wife cheats on me or my daughters whore around, it would be a different world, my friends. It would be the death of beta providers.
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This is post one of the funniest and most dead on stuff I’ve read for a long, long time – even by Roissy’s standards!
As a man who is drawn to both the beautiful and the degraded, my aim is to act as a bridge between conservative men and liberal men, holding the liberal’s hand tenderly to the conservative’s crotch. I shall bring understanding between the two mortal enemies, and together we shall march into the nearest bar, our minds fortified with the knowledge of women’s true natures and our hearts swollen with masculine conceit, and lay waste to that place, claiming battalions of pussy for our own. Without excuse, without apology. Without god, whether supernatural or political.
LOL
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I have been reading your blog for the past few months and I have yet to read a post that I don’t agree with. Keep up the good work. I enjoy reading your blog everyday.
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I am still utterly amazed everytime I see this happen, it’s always a sight to behold. The pure ease and lack of hesitation is amazing. A lot of men simply cannot process this when they see it since as you said, it utterly counters their world view. It may not be their fault, their brain mostly auto-filters for them. Until that worldview totally breaks they will probably still see through the rose colored glass. The first time for me was when I was in college, and after spending a weekend with me (one of those surprise I have a boyfriend after spending the night with you), this girl effortlessly told her boyfriend that she did lots of fictional activities with her roommates the previous few days and that she missed him ‘bunches’ ( after he drove 9 hours to pick her up for the holiday then drove her another 4 hours to have holiday with her family )
Roissy sometimes you say things that just crystalize reality.
Tears in the rain… fantastic.
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Because american conservatives/christians come from a protestant background, wich is revolutionary on it’s basis. Not conservative for real.
Old catholic thought says humans have a degenerated nature, that includes women, those beings who got cursed after the Fall (St. Augustine’s antropological pessimism).
Very good post, way better than those pasted chats.
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Wow, incredibly well written and well tought response. I am totally entranced by what you wrote, it may be your best post ever literary-wise. And so lucid… I hope, however foolishly, that one day people will be made to read that kind of texts at school.
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Avi,
1. Married women are hardly called out for their behavior when they cheat. Society rationalizes their actions for them.
I’ll take your word for it.
2. Single dudes who bang them aren’t cheating on anyone. Equating the two on the moral ladder is foolhardy.
They may not be cheating on anyone, but they are part of the problem. To me, if you have slept with married women and/or still do while condeming married women for cheating…..I’m like
But that’s just me.
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Lupo,
Typical female: blame the dude. Women do the choosing; if you want to blame someone, blame them.
Typical guy on sites like this, assume that I’m blaming the dude.I’m not blaming him solely lol. If you would’ve read my post, you’d noticed that I was blaming both parties, hence the phrase “PART of the problem”.
I’m not seeking these women out, they’re finding me. What is more, I’m such an arrogant bastard, they have to try really hard in order to even get my attention. Same with Roissy, I would imagine. Y’awl make it like I’m some sort of sinister despoiler of innocent wilting maidens like Valmont in Dangerous Liasons: my only real moral failing is occasionally getting a boner for these ding dongs to impale themselves on. It is the person who is married who is making the moral choice, not the person they’re sleeping with. When I roger a married woman, I break no vows: they do. You’re free to think me a bad person, and you’d be right in away, but unlike married broads who cheat, I actually don’t cheat on anybody.
I’m not making you into a “sinister despoiler” or saying that you were seeking them out. I wasn’t even strictly talking about you at first. If I recall, you yourself put it out there and told me that you sleep with married women. What you do with your life is your business, but don’t tell me that it’s not morally wrong to sleep with a married person. What about those women who slept with Tiger Woods, yet he got all the rap for it.
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Beautifully written. Your best posts are the ones where you take a lyrical prose.
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anonymous,
You made a great point.
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RMM:
“Your expectations that the guy is somewhat honour bound to help enforce a contract he has no stakes on between two strangers are both unrealistic and extremely hypocritical.”
That’s a perfect expression of anti-social mindset. [cf. “No stakes?”]
Roissy:
“[I didn’t know]”
Fine. What did you do when you found out? Oh wait …
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Gotzon,
I’m protestant and in my church all people are said to be sinful by nature.
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The cherubic, fat-faced Jonah Goldberg writes,
“March 10, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Where Feminists Get It Right
Women civilize men. ’Nuff said.
The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.
–http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg
hahahahah! what goldberg is saying that is if his wife didn’t lay down the law, he would be a beasty man alpha male, smacking women around, rocking out with his cock out, as that is in Jonah Goldberg’s true, deep, neocon nature. lozllz! he admits it! and then he projects his neocon nature on the entire world as neocons do to justify their pre-emptive, illegal wars! lzozll!
you guys do understand that feminism is an illegal, pre-emptive war waged against men and children to profit the fiat neocons, right? lozlzl!
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/
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omg lozlzl chekc out goldberg’s wife!!
a most civilizing force that tamed the savage, primal jonah goldberg!!
jonah writes:
“March 10, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Where Feminists Get It Right
Women civilize men. ’Nuff said.
The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.
–http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg
without her arresting beauty (lozllz!), expectations, and demands, jonah goldberg would be out playing lord of the flies, running around with no shirt on down K street, rockin’ out with his goldberg cock out. lozlzlzl!
why do neocons think that we are all like them?
also, throughout the history of mankind, it has been men who have laid down the law–from homer and moses on down–not pussified neoconning goldberg’s wife & her feminist friends. lzozll!
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Roissy,
This has to be one of your best posts to date. Posts like this are the reason I come here, to be reminded of the true and vile hypergamous nature of a majority of women out there. I think it was your Universal Truths Day that opened my eyes to the reality of women and cheating specifically this line,
“Every woman — and I mean EVERY woman — will cheat if enough conditions are met”
Like a lot of the commenters above have stated, I have seen married women friends cheat on their husbands based on nothing more than a “feeling” that they got when they met their current paramour. With this understanding and great posts like this that pedestal I used to put women on has been smashed aeons ago.
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@Renee
1. Take my word for it. There’s a reason why we see Tiger Woods plastered all over USWeekly and the NY Post for 19 days in a row. Or hear about Charlie Sheen. Or Gov. Sanford. Etc. One would think women don’t do it as much as men. Apparently they do, we just don’t hear about it.
2. Roll your eyes however much you want but abject disregard for morality is on the cheater. There’s no hypocrisy in stating that and applauding the single man who bangs her. He’s likely always wanted to bang her. The problem is now she’s letting him.
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Ha ha. That is cracking me up.
Fails, bc of course Meyer doesn’t seem to know the difference between a sentence and a sentence fragment, or what a semi-colon is used for, but it was still funny.
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It’s just wiring. One part — not the whole part, but one part — of the female mating instinct involves cuckolding/cheating to get better sperm from guys who are, for whatever reason, bad candidates for nesting partners. In order for that strategy to work, even as a part of the overall strategy, women needed to be selected for being exceptionally adept at lying about sex and covering up their own infidelities. Women who were not so good at this were selected out, because they were mostly killed or otherwise very harshly treated when the infidelities were unearthed. So it should come as no surprise that the women of today represent the group of women who have been carefully selected over the course of countless generations to have exceptionally good abilities to cover their sexual tracks.
A part of that is perpetuating the entire cultural bias that men cheat, and women generally do not — something that, as others point out here, is reflected in how quiet we are as a society about female cheating as compared to male cheating. And a part of that is that female cheating simply comes to light far less often because female cheaters are just on average much, much better at not getting caught than male cheaters are, because this has been selected for in the female population.
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I had a short fling with an engaged girl once. I found out towards the end of the fling that not only way she engaged, but now pregnant (tiny bump just beginning to show).
I tried an experiment. As we “touched the hand of God” together I whispered sweet nothings in her ear about how it would be better if I knocked her up, then she could marry her schlub and have the baby. It would be “our little secret.”
This talk turned her on big time. That was my “female as moral standard” obliteration point.
Well done Roissy.
PS – I dig the Blade Runner riff.
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Barbbabs–
If I can interrupt your marathon masturbation bout, let me say I didn’t claim that Goldberg and Greenberg are alphas. That wasn’t the issue and you know it. If anything, they are simply beta pawns in the scheme of things.
That doesn’t alter the reality. Under the ancien regime of widespread marriage, as Obsidian pointed out, most betas had a shot at marriage and family. Under the feminist regime, women have ALL the middle and upper level power positions, but those at the very top are still (and always will be) held by men. Since women are hard-wired to mate up (“hypergamy”), and all the betas are now below them, this leaves a very small pool of alphas for them to chase, so you can see this works out quite well for the alpha males.
Furthermore, a society in which bastardy and easy abortion are commonplace and socially acceptable makes the alpha’s life even easier. He doesn’t have to be embarrassed by siring an “illegitimate” child, nor does he even have to pay for her abortion, since she now has the resources to pay for it herself.
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This guy seems to have similar ideas:
“If friends with benefits is your pleasure, be my guest. But at least understand the situation for what it is: a trick to engage women in sex without emotion or commitment.
And don’t be fooled by the fact that the woman is enjoying the sex. Or that she feels that she is using him. She may very well be using him as a sexual object, but that does not obviate the fact that she is allowing him to use her. Being a sexual object is being a sexual object. You do not become less of a sexual object because you are taking turns at using each other.”
http://rpc.blogrolling.com/redirect.php?r=54fff8ee11d95733d4f47b8ebc860420&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstuartschneiderman.blogspot.com%2F
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Jonah Goldberg is just one in a long line spanning the spectrum; eg…
The natural superiority of women is a biological fact, and a socially acknowledged reality. – Ashley Montagu (born Israel Ehrenberg), c.1952
Back in the 70’s, former Nixon speechwriter George Gilder carved a niche for himself as the nation’s #1 public anti-feminist, and made Time Magazine’s “Male Chauvinist Pig of the Year”. (Lib favorite David Letterman is the current title holder…) Gilder went on to help hype “supply side” Reaganomics, and then eventually co-founded a non-profit that pushes intelligent design in education.
Gilder perhaps popularized the notion most recently that women and marriage “socialized men as fathers and providers”. Maybe Goldberg was a fan during his formative years of Gilder’s 1973 best-selling book “Sexual Suicide”, and it’s 1986 re-make “Men and Marriage”, and is just re-cycling. Gilder was fairly intellectual and “modern” (i.e., secular) so far as conservatives go, and therefore was was not dismissed outright. He made a few talk shows. I remember reading his later book some twenty years ago and found the ideas new/different, unusual and interesting/challenging enough (at least to me at the time) that I wanted to discuss them with others.
Gilder’s ideas were eviscerated and totally turned on their head in a lengthy chapter of radical conservative Daniel Amneus’s 1992 book “The Garbage Generation”, which you can read online (and I heartily endorse doing so). I.e., it is men who civilize women (or not), not the other way around. I think time and the preponderance of the evidence have proven Amneus correct. Goldberg obviously isn’t familiar with the counter-arguments to his beliefs, which now of course seem both quaint and silly.
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azuzuru said:
“I tried an experiment. As we “touched the hand of God” together I whispered sweet nothings in her ear about how it would be better if I knocked her up, then she could marry her schlub and have the baby. It would be “our little secret.”
This talk turned her on big time. That was my “female as moral standard” obliteration point.”
This is some really, really disturbing stuff if you think about it. More proof that WOMEN are the ones who are truly ruled by their genitals.
And to the women on here complaining about the infidelity double standard- you obviously have no idea how much more serious female infidelity is compared to male infidelity.
Generally the worse case when a man is cheating on a woman is a small diversion of time/resources, but usually not enough to have a large impact on the main family unit. Worse case when a woman cheats on a man is that he gets yoked to a cheating whore and a bastard child, using all of his time/resources to tend to someone elses crop.
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Generally the worse case when a man is cheating on a woman is a small diversion of time/resources, but usually not enough to have a large impact on the main family unit
That, and a venereal disease.
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As much as I enjoy Roissy as a social commentator and world-class writer, I think he should be in front of a firing squad for fucking other mens’ wives. The switch from monogamy to African style hypergamy is possibly the biggest problem facing the west today. What’s worse is it seems Roissy knows this. I generally agree with his assessment on modern marriage as a bad deal for men, but destroying what’s left of traditional marriage isn’t helping anybody. There are plenty of single women to fuck. Why is he so indifferent to his own role in bringing down the entire fucking civilization?
Am I alone in feeling this way?
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Maybe the civilization needs to come down for things to change, and egging it along in our own ways is not such a bad idea? Do you realistically see any of this stuff changing much without a general collapse or a technological game-changer? Certainly it won’t change as a result of anything men try to actively do to make it change — you’re tangling with the promethean force of unleashed female sexuality here. Not a trifling thing.
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Conservatives often view women as the engine driving the civilization of the inherently wild and unruly men – a final bulwark against barberism.
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Azuzuru-
“I whispered sweet nothings in her ear about how it would be better if I knocked her up, then she could marry her schlub and have the baby. It would be “our little secret.”
I have said some crazy shit to women in the throes of passion to push them over the edge.
But you, sir, deserve a salute for that one. Very nice.
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Josh,
I pay attention to the social commentary and ignore the personal stories. I don’t really care what Roissy does in his personal life. He may be using a little artistic license here anyway, who knows?
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Here we are at 186+ comments and no one from the Marxist-Feminist Collective has risen to the defense of female virtue.
There’s no “artistic license” in Roissy’s post. Based on personal experience, I can attest to the fact that most American women are capable of worse behavior than Roissy outlined, much worse.
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Josh,
Am I alone in feeling this way?
Absolutely not. I thought I was the only one myself lol. While I wouldn’t want Roissy sent infront of a firing squad, I agree with everything you said. In fact, it’s the first thing I noticed when reading this. Just take a look at my very first comment on this thread and the rest.
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Avi,
2. Roll your eyes however much you want but abject disregard for morality is on the cheater. There’s no hypocrisy in stating that and applauding the single man who bangs her. He’s likely always wanted to bang her. The problem is now she’s letting him.
That just ridiculous. It’s blatantly hypocritical in a moral sense to condemn the cheater and applaud the man who sleeps with her. He’s part of the problem. He may be single himself in that instance, but he’s lending a hand in the collapse of marriage – or something like that. What happened to all that male honor and dignity?
Oh and this –
– isn’t rolling your eyes. It’s a sort of “WTF” face lol.
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[editor: for the record, none of the cheating women revealed their status to me when we met. i don’t make it a point to target married women. too many unnecessary entanglements when there are plenty of single women to choose from.]
Ok, that’s explains it. Thanks for pointing that out.
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RMM,
You’re assuming that the guy who didn’t make any promises, took no vows, and is bound to no legal agreement, has a duty to “protect” (note the quotes) the promises/legal agreements of others.
Unfortunately, ever since that guy was born, society has done its best to fuck him in the ass and make him a slave. Your expectations that the guy is somewhat honour bound to help enforce a contract he has no stakes on between two strangers are both unrealistic and extremely hypocritical.
As of this generation, ass fucking by society came first. So don’t expect us to play nice.
What’s hypocritical is shaming a married woman for cheating while congratulating the single guy for sleeping with her. That’s the issue I have. If he chooses to sleep with married women (and know that they’re married right from the beginning), then fine. But who is he to turn around and condemn married women for cheating? We complain about the state of marriage, but high-five singles for sleeping with married people. That is extremely hypocritical.
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What’s hypocritical is shaming a married woman for cheating while congratulating the single guy for sleeping with her. That’s the issue I have. If he chooses to sleep with married women (and know that they’re married right from the beginning), then fine. But who is he to turn around and condemn married women for cheating? We complain about the state of marriage, but high-five singles for sleeping with married people. That is extremely hypocritical.
What’s hypocritical is publicly castrating men who cheat in virtually every media portrayal of the issue while at the same time applauding women who cheat as being “empowered” and “strong” or, even worse, pretending it just doesn’t happen, simply because women are much better at hiding their infidelities than men are.
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Jonah Goldberg’s Primal “Lord of The Flies Neocon Savagery” Tamed by His Beuatiful (lozl) Wife!!
omg lozlzl chekc out jonah goldberg’s wife!!
a most civilizing force that tamed the savage, primal jonah goldberg!!
jonah writes:
“March 10, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Where Feminists Get It Right
Women civilize men. ’Nuff said.
The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.
–http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg
without her arresting beauty (lozllz!), neocon woman expectations, and neocon woman demands (lzozll!), jonah goldberg would be out playing lord of the flies, running around with no shirt on down K street, rockin’ out with his goldberg cock out, ducking into bars to ravage all that his rightfully his as an untamed beta-male neocon. lozlzlzl!
why do neocons think that we are all like them?
also, throughout the history of mankind, it has been men who have laid down the law–from homer and moses on down–not pussified neoconning goldberg’s wife & her feminist friends. lzozll!
The cherubic, fat-faced Jonah Goldberg writes,
“March 10, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Where Feminists Get It Right
Women civilize men. ’Nuff said.
The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.
–http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg
hahahahah! what goldberg is saying that is if his wife didn’t lay down the law, he would be a beasty man alpha male, smacking women around, rocking out with his cock out, as that is in Jonah Goldberg’s true, deep, neocon nature. lozllz! he admits it! and then he projects his neocon nature on the entire world as neocons do to justify their pre-emptive, illegal, unconstitutional wars! lzozll!
you guys do understand that feminism is an illegal, pre-emptive war waged against men, the family, and children to profit the fiat neocons, right? lozlzl!
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/
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@nova,
What’s hypocritical is publicly castrating men who cheat in virtually every media portrayal of the issue while at the same time applauding women who cheat as being “empowered” and “strong” or, even worse, pretending it just doesn’t happen
Exactly what women are applauded? I think the MSM discrepa
ncy is explained by the cheating high profile men (Sandford, Edwards, Woods, Clinton) while their high profile women likely DONT cheat. Which women would the MSM highlight? (Beyonce? H. Clinton?, Condoleza Rice? Lady Gaga?, the female govenors? S. Parlin?
I have difficulty imagining a newsworthy high profile woman who actually has cheated.
I agree that the news outlets promulgate male cheating moreseo , but that’s because there are no newsworthy female cheaters.
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of course it matters more if the woman cheats. the man can cheat without contributing money or significant time to another woman, he wastes his seeds everyday so what if its into another woman. He remains physically unchanged by the whole incident.
However he should have full right to all his wifes eggs and sexual activity. Anything else contravenes the basic purpose of the marriage. That she is supposed to bear his children in exchange for a share of his wealth.
The most ridiculous divorce settlements these days involve cheating cuckolding wives taking child support, alimony and ridiculous assets for not doing one iota. Some of them didn’t even have the right mans kids!! no surprise all they did was sign on the dotted line, made no effort to be chaste, please their husband, or be a decent human being!
Men should cheat all they want, coz guess what they’re actually taking a calculated risk. They could easily lose everything if caught. their ass is on the line anyways either way, damned if they do and most likely damned if they don’t.
Its no surprise women cheat these days, theres no risk required. I often wonder why women even try and compare male and female infedility, but then i realise, its the same old shaming, controlling selfish garbage designed to keep men more timid and less wise to their ways. A woman who cheats is defeating the origional purpose of a marriage and going in direct contradiction of her partners interests, undermining the whole existence of her partner while at the same time trying to steal from him… Just below actual physical murder, i would place genetic murder on the immorality scale.
DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR.
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Hypergamy=homosexual
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Renee,
So what if the woman isn’t married, but is engaged? What if she is just in a committed relationship? What if she is seeing another guy with an implied commitment? What if she is dating two other men who would jump at the chance to marry her, but she could care less about them? Where do you draw the line?
The point is, desirable women are hardly EVER truly single.
I have no qualms about sexing women who are married or taken. The funny thing is, it is always the woman who initiates it. I don’t seek it out. I don’t need high fives from other guys. I am simply fulfilling my biological urge for sexual variety. I am not breaking a commitment to anyone.
The last married chick I banged was a friend of a female friend of mine who was in town on vacation. Talking to our mutual friend later, I asked her “So if I hadn’t fucked your married friend, would she have fucked someone else when she was here?”
You can probably guess the answer to that one.
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I wonder why Roissy uses to womens’ lust to refute their sanctification? I see nothing wrong with lust. Even cheating is relatively normal behavior that I find easily forgivable.
But there are certain forms of cruelty that are practiced by the majority of women which are difficult for me forgive.
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So yeah iv’e noticed women who cheat on their boyfriends often accuse they’re boyfriends of cheating. Even a few girls who were cheating with me told me they’d probably be heartbroken if they’re boyfriend cheated and break up with him. Heck one girl who cheated on me broke up with me when she found out i was cheating. Guess she realised i wasn’t a Beta enough chump for her liking or else resented being screwed over by one!!
Its all about control and power for them. They want to know they have enough power to prevent you from cheating, they need a sucker to feel secure to get a fucker, the worse thing a woman can do is be getting with two fuckers, they’ll be gone like that!! They try and convince you you’re the one whos gonna fuck up, the whole while plotting you’re fucking downfall. Because whats just a few minutes of sex to them is your whole fucking existence thrown out the window.
And thats why this shit matters to men.
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Exactly what women are applauded? I think the MSM discrepa
ncy is explained by the cheating high profile men (Sandford, Edwards, Woods, Clinton) while their high profile women likely DONT cheat. Which women would the MSM highlight? (Beyonce? H. Clinton?, Condoleza Rice? Lady Gaga?, the female govenors? S. Parlin?
I have difficulty imagining a newsworthy high profile woman who actually has cheated.
I agree that the news outlets promulgate male cheating moreseo , but that’s because there are no newsworthy female cheaters.
Oh I don’t buy that at all. It’s just that they are better at hiding it, as most women are. I’d add that many married men can attest to women married to other men making passes at them at some stage — it’s not uncommon at all, it’s just kept very, very quiet. Even counselors will tell you that in a good number of divorces there has been female cheating but the husband never learned of it and never does. It’s as if it never happened. Women have evolved to hide cheating well — it’s helped them survive.
In terms of the media references, I was referring, by the way, to things like the downright glowing tone of that Newsweek cover story on female cheating a few years ago — unimaginable that an article with that tone would have been written about male cheating in this culture. Women are seen as liberated and empowered for cheating (as they largely were in that article), men are seen as dogs lacking control. It *is* a double standard. That’s probably because the culture has convinced itself that female cheating is a novelty — which is nonsense. It’s just that women are very good at hiding it, as Roissy and many other men testify to here, and as others, like me, can testify in terms of opportunities we declined to do the same presented by typical surburban wives and moms whose husbands had absolutely no clue whatsoever what Muffie was capable of.
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Bobby,
The reason you don’t have any women on here defending feminine virtue, is because women are realistic about other women.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1257085/How-smoulder-youre-older-Sophia-Loren-75.html
ahahah read the comments for women being “honest” about women
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Spanxchix,
You have a point. I don’t see anything wrong with lust, although acting on it is a different story. I also think infidelity is a fairly forgivable transgression. Most women have a multitude of other faults, this is just one of them. I like and respect other women generally, but I have certainly never held them in some higher regard. Only a man could be that dumb.
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gamu:
“That’s a perfect expression of anti-social mindset.”
To a point. I have no interest in protecting or collaborating with a system that is purposely stacked against me. you can call it anti-societal and it’d be more accurate. I, on the other hand, have a group of friends and relatives I am quite invested in and will fight for and protect, with the assurance that they’ll also be doing the same. I’m very happy to have them with me, and I do believe they’re happy with me too.
Renee:
“What’s hypocritical is shaming a married woman for cheating while congratulating the single guy for sleeping with her”
The single guy isn’t married (I know, it should be obvious, but apparently isn’t). The single guy isn’t married to the woman, the couple, or even to society nowadays. The single guy is breaking some ethereal unsigned “duty” you’re trying to impose that he has no obligation to fulfill (that’s what happens when you stack the odds against someone, eventually they leave the table). The woman is breaking a voluntary deal she signed up for. And when the woman cheats, she went looking for it. The myth of the pure married woman who falls prey to the seductive stranger without any will of her own is bullshit.
What you seem incapable of drilling into your head is that the single guy is no longer operating inside the rules of expectations that society tried to impose on him. It’s hot hypocritical, it’s selfish – he honors whatever he does sign up on his own free will, and that’s it. However, you obviously can’t use the word “selfish” to shame these men, because they’ll just shrug their shoulders and say, “so what?” So I’m not surprised you’re still trying to deem it hypocritical – against all reason.
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Renee: “What about those women who slept with Tiger Woods, yet he got all the rap for it.”
That’s because he was the one who was cheating, dipshit. Apparently everyone in the world understands this but you.
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Spanxchix,
I’m curious. What are the certain forms of cruelty practiced by the majority of women that are difficult for you to forgive?
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Julie Childs cheats on her loyal-beta hubby, and we declare her a sexually liberated heroine, buy her books, and make a movie abou ther (Julie & Julia – 2009).
Tiger Woods does the same, and he is the scum of the earth.
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western women cant cook, clean or care for children. They are sluts who can’t even birth the children they find it so easy to become pregnant with. What with abortion, delayed family formation, drug and alcohol abuse etc its a wonder any non retarded/genetically abnormal kids are even born in this day.
The next generation of children is a generation in-utero hearing the thud of strange cocks hitting the cervix of their pregnant mothers whilst drunk and coked on their mothers supply. Its a shame these these kids mothers dont have any other hobbies than drugged up pity fuck promiscuous sex otherwise they might not be born retarded, obese, diabetic and addicted.
Now wonder men want shit all to do with them. The sanctity of women is long gone, the game is up. You’re only job as a man now is staying the right side of the rules and the law. Good luck men.
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The “Garbage Generation” that Martian Batchelor mentioned in his post. Fascinating reading (at a Catholic website): Garbage Generation
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Some Girl,
Thanks for the link. It does look interesting.
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When should the single guy feel guilty for an affair with a “taken” woman?
If she is not married and has no kids with her current partner, he doesn’t owe anybody anything.
If she is married with no kids, his actions are antisocial to the extent that he ought to feel social solidarity with other men. By default, he should feel such solidarity — this is not loyalty to a screwed-up society, but a near-universal standard of human behavior vis-a-vis other humans. However, this solidarity is, and ought to be, generic and relatively weak, superseded by specific knowledge (if the husband is unworthy then he deserves less respect).
If she is married with kids, they guy screwing her should definitely feel guilty, they are innocent in the matter but can suffer serious consequences.
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Josh —> +1
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Realist,
It doesn’t seem like the people delaying family formation are also the same people engaging in all those other behaviors you described. You might have your social classes mixed up.
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We sanctify women because the TV and movies taught us to. TV taught me to “save the woman” from giant ants, the Crawling Eye, the Mole people, Dracula, Marabunta (ants again), Sir Guy of Gisbourne, etc.
Then its kind of understood that you will marry the girl and live happily ever after. But this part is never shown onscreen.
Maybe 10,000 hours of programming like this – it has an effect. It doesn’t ever wear off for me.
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Liverlips said,
“I became a conservative in college because I got sick of political correctness and left-wing closed mindedness.
After a while, I get sick of the moral preening and outright buffoonery of “holier-than-thou” conservatives like Bill Bennett and Jack Kemp.
Now I am a libertarian/libertine who hates most conservatives and liberals.”
I could not agree with you more, this is exactly my own political evolution.
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to the extent that he ought to feel social solidarity with other men. By default, he should feel such solidarity — this is not loyalty to a screwed-up society, but a near-universal standard of human behavior vis-a-vis other humans. However, this solidarity is, and ought to be, generic and relatively weak, superseded by specific knowledge (if the husband is unworthy then he deserves less respect).
I would note that in our society, where alpha men-in-power created a system whereby they could achieve a near monopoly on sexual access, has led to a widespread breakdown in that kind of feeling of “solidarity” with other men. Those were the old rules, before marriage was virtually destroyed by the men-in-power to free up women sexually for themselves. In that context, no solidarity pact is realistic, really. It’s pretty much an all-out war between men, jungle-style, at this point.
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Nice post. The bottom line for the “conservative” idealization and pedestalization of women is that most conservatives are at a loss to explain a wet pussy. The fact that a woman is carnal, that she gets sexually aroused, that her pussy gets wet from a number of different stimuli which can have nothing to do with love, fidelity or marriage, is beyond their preprogramed notions of feminine moral purity and cultural civilization. It is clear that most of these writers have had little experience of women, and are nothing more than geeky nerds contemplating what the world should be like, rather than what it is like.
The great makers of civilization are not women, but are, in fact, men. Men have done all the conquests, built all the great buildings, written most of the great literature, created most of the great music, painting most of the great art, thought up all the great philosophy and theology. And it has nothing to do with modern notions of gender equality. It has to do with the insanely driving force of testosterone, which no woman can ever understand, no matter many useless university degrees she may have.
And to add to this even further, let’s not leave out the contributions of gay men in all of this. The gay man has been one of the great forces of culture in the history of the world. As a guy who loves fucking women even I can appreciate that fact.
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@ Laura, were you battered in-utero by a large hard dong?
Yep there is a specific type of woman doing all those things I mentioned making the world a shitter place and thats what i was describing. if you draw a venn diagram with a bagillion circles, you’ll find one bitch whos a member of all. If we find her and kill her the whole problem is over. If only it was that simple….
nope, no class divides here, most women seem to be doing their bit in one way or another.
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“Laura
Bobby,
The reason you don’t have any women on here defending feminine virtue, is because women are realistic about other women.”
At least you admit how the majority of American females behave. You know the deal.
Don’t cough up a bone we might find out how you sexually behave. 🙂
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As I’ve been saying and as is said in a multiverse of permutations, culture is weak and it doesn’t much matter what women think.
Women are women are women. Women of old, women of today, muslims, liberals, conservatives, modern, old fashioned. What women think has a small bearing on what they will do.
Women are born with certain propensities. What they think tends to follow their propensities. Most women are fuckable and trainable, no matter what they originally bring to the table with them. Fuckable and trainable to the degree allowable by their innate predisposition – their personality traits which were largely fixed before birth.
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al
Oh, women LOVE this game. Absolutely love it. And if you can’t bring yourself to fuck her with her boyfriend or fiance on the phone, a sister or cousin or family member will do.
Exhibitionism and public or near public sex, as we all know, heightens the thrill. How much more forbidden is sex barely hidden from view of your mate!
It’s a famous game that women love and happens all the time.
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“We sanctify women because the TV and movies taught us to. TV taught me to “save the woman” from giant ants, the Crawling Eye, the Mole people, Dracula, Marabunta (ants again), Sir Guy of Gisbourne, etc.
Then its kind of understood that you will marry the girl and live happily ever after. But this part is never shown onscreen.
Maybe 10,000 hours of programming like this – it has an effect. It doesn’t ever wear off for me.”
Yeah, I can relate to this. I think over the years my fat beta ass has become pretty realistic about women, but I still have my moments.
I remember when the show Lost came out and thinking to myself, “wow, I bet women really love Matthew Fox’s character.” The guy he played seemed like a pretty stand up guy, the protector and provider type. Of course then I read what women had to say about Sawyer. And basically that was the 99% of the women who watch that show would run over Matthew Fox in a Hummer a couple hundred time if it might mean they could get 10 mins alone with Josh Holloway.
As guys growing up in this society, I bet even some of the “Alphas” on this site have moments of weakness. Times where they still see the American female as a decent, caring creature. I mean it’s pretty unavoidable as it was programmed in most of us at a pretty early age.
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Lupo
Ya, I’m with you on that. If I’m emotionally invested in the girl, which usually means living with her, I’ll tell her and mean it that if I catch her cheating she’s out the door. I’ll watch over the girl very carefully. I’ll make sure she’s sexually satisfied at home. But I never trust her for one minute. The girl is always capable. If I care, I’ll do my best to watch her. If I care less, I watch less.
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barbabbs, why do you use the word fiat in every post? And what does it mean? Fiat this, fiat that.
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v
Until she’s proven her worth, I assume.
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Jeffrey
Elvis Costello:
Why do you have to say that there’s always someone
who can do it better than I can?
But don’t you think that I know that walking on the water
won’t make me a miracle man?
There is always a higher status male. Or a male in a higher status in a different niche. The pool boy can be competition against Donalt Trump.
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luvsic
There has to be a term for this education of hard knocks. Street wise? Surely there is some short hand phrase or word that encapsulates the education men receive piecemeal from women.
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str8up,
I have no qualms about sexing women who are married or taken. The funny thing is, it is always the woman who initiates it. I don’t seek it out. I don’t need high fives from other guys. I am simply fulfilling my biological urge for sexual variety. I am not breaking a commitment to anyone.
So what if the woman initiates it? Do you have sex with any woman who comes your way? I’m sorry but “fulfilling my biological urge” sounds like a cop-out. Perhaps at the age of 25, I’m one of those old-school folk who don’t blame all my actions on biology. I have a mind, a conscience, willpower, and morals.
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RMM,
The single guy isn’t married (I know, it should be obvious, but apparently isn’t).
Oh belive me it is.
The single guy isn’t married to the woman, the couple, or even to society nowadays. The single guy is breaking some ethereal unsigned “duty” you’re trying to impose that he has no obligation to fulfill (that’s what happens when you stack the odds against someone, eventually they leave the table).
I’m not “imposing” anything. To say that the single guy or a single person period isn’t held to any standard/morals/whatever is sad. It’s blatant selfishness on both parts (the single guy and the married woman)…all about me,me,me. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised nowadays.
The woman is breaking a voluntary deal she signed up for. And when the woman cheats, she went looking for it.
Of course. I never denied that.
The myth of the pure married woman who falls prey to the seductive stranger without any will of her own is bullshit.
Once again, of course. I never believed this anyway.
What you seem incapable of drilling into your head is that the single guy is no longer operating inside the rules of expectations that society tried to impose on him. It’s hot hypocritical, it’s selfish – he honors whatever he does sign up on his own free will, and that’s it. However, you obviously can’t use the word “selfish” to shame these men, because they’ll just shrug their shoulders and say, “so what?” So I’m not surprised you’re still trying to deem it hypocritical – against all reason.
Fine, but what you seem incapable of drilling into your head is that the single guy in question is part of the problem of marriages that is always being discussed on sites like this. Don’t expect me to take a guy seriously if he condemns married women for cheating and he himself knowingly sleeps with married women. I’m one to call people out on their sh*t.
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Lupo,
That’s because he was the one who was cheating, dipshit. Apparently everyone in the world understands this but you.
Lol, I guess you are incapable of posting a response without namecalling. But anyway I simply live by a little thing call morals, morals that don’t only exist for married couples. Also, I may have been thinking of posts on the Spearhead who criticized those other women.
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isn’t fiat an italian car manufacturer, i dont think they are running the US
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anonymous idiot
Men and women are different.
Get it?
Is that really too much water for your your lacy frilly little femme brain to hold? Different. Say it with me. Diff e rent.
Women are worse in some ways. Worse in different ways. In some ways worse.
Of course there are double standards. Because men and women are DIFFERENT.
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xsplat,
Women are trainable? This thread criticizes for saying that women basically train men, yet you believe women are trainable. Am I missing something here?
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And the 1% are proper madonnas?
Who has his head up his ass now. If you can’t love a whore, you can’t love.
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Renee, you are clearly not worth talking to. You only come here to talk at people, and are incapable of hearing or absorbing what people actually say, or of having anything anyone else says alter your monolothic frozen to absolute zero adamantine views.
Any animal is trainable. Duh.
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Glad somebody caught this. For many years a decade or more ago the book was available for online reading at mugu.com, which was a site that’s difficult to describe (and now long defunct), but had many writers/thinkers who were way out there somewhere. I really don’t know how “Garbage Generation” ended up where it is now, at fisheaters.com. I first saw it listed in the bibliography at the back of a Warren Farrel book.
His later (and last) book, “The Case for Father Custody”, is at fathermag.com.
A word of warning: Amneus can be tough to read as his books do not come out of mainstream publishing houses, and thus are not highly polished and edited works; he has a tendency to just jump right in and keep hammering away at the same points.
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epic
It takes some training to cultivate that inner voice which will tell you “she’s lying” when your woman is enthusiastically fabricating an easier universe.
And then what do you do when you hear that voice? Calling her on it directly won’t usually get an admission. You have to ease around to open the backdoor of her defences, get her to a place where she thinks there is no punishment, where she doesn’t feel confronted, if you want to hear from her mouth words that correspond to a mutually shareable reality. You have to go in undercover in a stealth operation to get below her defences.
And always you have to guage how much it’s worth to you – the truth of what she is trying to conceal. Will you really split over it? If not, suck it up until you are ready to split. Or see if you can’t train her to be either a better lyer or to lose faith in her lying ability and fear your wrath. But fighting for the sake of it is pointless. Direct confrontation over bald faced lies just causes stress. You’ve got to keep the endgame in sight, and then deek and maneover your way to that goal.
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Josh
Yes.
The rest of us take personal responsibility and don’t expect the world to do us any favors by not fucking our girlfriends.
It is the JOB of men to fuck your girlfriend. It is your job to stop them. It is your girls job to fuck them and not let you know.
Do your job, and don’t expect others to take up your slack.
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What does that even mean? What the hell does this talk of civilization collapse actually mean? I can’t imagine what you are referring to. First off, what is this “civilization” that you refer to? People have base desires that are immutable and are not caused or changed by social structures. We need to eat, we need to fuck. People will always go to work when they need to eat. No social collapse will stop people from working for their food and shelter and material wants. So what are you imagining is civilization to begin with, and it’s future downfall to end with?
I have no clue what you are talking about. Sounds like a mild recession because of betas being mildly under motivated due to sexual starvation.
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Titan
Well then there you have it – conclusive proof that to be conservative is to be naiive. They believe in anything other than barberism.
The older you get, the more you see things in terms of power plays. Only the naiive think in terms of social good. It’s always a social good for SOMEone. It always comes down to personal benefit, for someone. There is never not an agenda. It’s barberism all the down to the bottom. It’s barberism that is the foundation on which is built all that reaches to the top. Power plays and structures of power, all the way down, all the way up. A fractal of personal interest. Evolution and sex in every nook and cranny.
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What does that even mean?
It means nothing. As you say, there is no civilization.
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zsplat,
Renee, you are clearly not worth talking to. You only come here to talk at people, and are incapable of hearing or absorbing what people actually say, or of having anything anyone else says alter your monolothic frozen to absolute zero adamantine views.
Any animal is trainable. Duh.
And clearly you know nothing about me.
But then again, you believe that it’s a man’s “job” to sleep with another man’s girlfriend and a girlfriend’s “job” to cheat and not get caught (I’m assuming this also applies with boyfriends who cheat with other women). Good grief.
Anyway, if any animal is trainable, does that mean you also agree with the article in question that Roissy discussed?
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Renee, good grief is not an argument. I don’t converse with people who have nothing of more substance to say than what boils down to “I don’t like it and it makes me feel bad and you are a bad person for saying that or even thinking it”.
Good grief. Why do you bother saying that? Good grief? WTF kind of lame ass commentary is that. Good grief. Good grief! Oh my gawd! I’m so appalled! I never!
And as for your lame ass question “Anyway, if any animal is trainable, does that mean you also agree with the article in question that Roissy discussed?” be more specific. What, exactly are you asking me?
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Renee, comment to you in moderation. Basically I did nothing but insult you for your lack of intelligence and your inability to use words in a way that is usefull.
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Renee:
“Fine, but what you seem incapable of drilling into your head is that the single guy in question is part of the problem of marriages that is always being discussed on sites like this.”
He’s not part of the problem. He’s the _consequence_ of the problem.
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And this weeks Pin-the-Tail award for best catchphrase goes to Bobby, for “Marxist-Feminist Collective”.
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Almost all women get huffy when the subject of cheating comes up.
The way I see it it’s kind of like the priest delivering his “no sex outside of marriage sermon right after he violated the choir boy in the storage room.
Quite a convenient way to have your cake and eat it too, girls.
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Ok, I’m only going to say this 100,000 times, so please pay attention. After that, I’m done. I’ll assume that people just don’t want to listen.
Women act as a collective to create a social viewpoint that benefits them. The refuse alternate views, no matter how true or realistic.
Women do this, have done this, and will never stop doing this. It is in their nature to do this.
They create a social mindset, and it is not about logic or even reality. It’s about group power.
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@xsplat
good point on not calling it out because it is indeed useless.
seeing it on the other side of the looking glass just makes it even more ridiculous since you are on the side with full information. it’s like watching someone steal an icecream cone from a fat kid in slow motion to the sound of wagner.
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Quite a convenient way to have your cake and eat it too, girls.
And you don’t see the irony in this statement. This kind of sophistry is why women don’t trust male logic.
I’ve said it before, most men think badly, and most women don’t think at all.
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Renee said:
Dear, single people pay higher taxes. Higher taxes is an imposed burden.
So, if you weren’t completely wrong, you would be right!
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Oh, and to be more clear, I think it is wrong to sleep with a married woman.
BUT, almost all married people do think it’s completely fair to tax the single person more cause “he needs his money less”. So their objections are based less on any sense of fairness and more on “what’s good for me”.
Also Renee said:
From a practical point of view, a married woman who is determined to cheat will cheat. This makes the right course of action for the guy a little more complicated.
The MORALLY RIGHT thing to do when a married woman hits on you is to take her up on it, get pictures, and send them to the husband. Whether you decide to have sex with her will make your decision more or less noble. I’m sure Renee’s little female head would explode if somebody actually did this.
Needless to say, most people who are used to being “nice” to females will have a problem with this.
Maybe you should ask yourself why. Does she have a right to cheat or something?
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Wow if a foreigner came to the US he would assume most men were gay. These betas you speak of act as if their balls have been cut off and they’ve been on an estrogen hormone regimen. I use to think American women were good for sport fucking but as time passed I realized they are so diseased and crazy it is dangerous to get involved with them. And the men marrying them…..should be committed. I mean when you rent a car you treat it like shit, you drive it hard, spill food in it, hit the curb. Marrying a whore is like buying a car that dozens of men have used and abused and no your girl isn’t “different”
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Racer
I’ve come to see this obsession with social utopia as a feminine trait. It’s a feminine viewpoint to view the world as socially constructed. Men see how things actually work, and tinker with reality. Women gossip a whole reality into being, and call it society.
Men who take on this social constructivist view appear to me as mechanically retarded.
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And thus I see the the whole Whiskey/Spearhead crowd of betas yearning for a better society as a bunch of wishful thinking dimwits.
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Nobody bothers to do a thorough background check on their girl before wifing her up. Technology is a double-edged sword these days, it allows your girl to be a whore, but it also leaves a paper trail. Hack her email, read back a few years, monitor what comes in and out. Do six degrees of separation on her, her friends, any guys you find out she’s fucked. Do clandestine operations, get cozy with her “enemies” or former friends, they will dish to you (or you hiding behind an innocuous internet persona).
The holy grail is her phone, but it’s hard to get into and monitor all the time. Find some loser girl with a prepaid phone who never has any minutes…she won’t have any money to call or text anyone and it negates the use of the phone as her best covert tool.
When you’ve gathered substantial evidence, you should have a pretty good idea of her basic history. Take that, add in the fact that there are likely unknowns that you don’t know, and if you’re still comfortable with that, have at it.
Would you buy a used car without opening it up, looking inside, and then STILL taking it to your mechanic to get a thorough inspection? No. Same goes for anyone you’re silly enough to wife up. Just don’t let your mechanic put his dip-stick in her.
And, of course, none of this has anything to do with whether she will be loyal to you going forward. You’re just doing a security clearance on her past activity. Past can be a good indicator of the future. Not dispositive, however.
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For simplicity’s sake, I am generalizing ‘conservatives’ as ‘Christians’ in this case, though I know not all conservatives are Christians. But religious doctrine provides a sound impetus to why people act the way they do.
Why does Christianity put the pussy on a pedestal? It mostly boils down to that biblical allegory which depicts Christ = husband, and church = wife.
Ephesians, Chapter 5:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ephesians%205&version=NIV
This, combined with manginas and feminists infesting the high positions of clergyhood, makes the churches strongholds of beta men and born again virgins.
Don’t take my word for it, drop in to a church near your place this Sunday, observe the gender ratios. Listen to what they’re preaching: e.g if a wife cheats, it’s the husband’s fault for failing to show ‘leadership’.
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Renee: “But anyway I simply live by a little thing call morals, morals that don’t only exist for married couples.”
You have the juvenile morality of an 18 year old, which is why you think woman sluts are equivalent to male sluts, and why you think married people who cheat are morally equivalent to the people they have sex with.
But hey, looking on the bright side, it’s the only reason I bothered to talk to you. How many dudes have you cheated on thus far, eh?
Xsplat: alpha monkey respek, yo. Best you can do is that. Everything else will eventually eat your soul.
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@T-1000.
I totally agree bro, we need the whores branded. If women are so proud of their liberated experiences i would like to see each have her cock-count tattood on her forehead, would definately help us discriminate. Would literally save us wasting any breath.
Women who argue against a double standard, think they can trick men into feeling their behaviour is ok. But every guy knows its a very visceral aversion, and logically so. No man needs to be convinced that it’s ok, he knows it isn’t ok to him inside. All he needs to know is you’re number and he’ll decide the rest. After all ladies you wouldn’t want to be with someone who judges you like that!! sadly i think most girls realise the deal and are very likely to lie about this kind of thing.
Im sure every beta wishes he could stamp it on his forehead and be himself and still get female attention, weak, unnassertive, shy, skinny/fat. A woman who complains about the double standard is like a beta who expects to laid by acting beta. They’re in denial.
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that was me
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Women are just pissed contraceptives and contraceptions are unneffective on the male brain and instinct!! They don’t just want pills to help them fuck around unencumbered, they want pills to convince their prospective husband its all OK!!Some bitches think their unnatural behaviour doesn’t register with men. Heck if men can see the clear problem with female promiscuity, women should be FEELING it before they do it. But maybe this is a Y chromosone thing, we are descended from the same males who upon looking at their promiscuous women and bastard kids dying from their own irresponsibility, decided to invent the institution of marriage/male lineage and civilize the world. This is male rights, male right to his own children. Men in todays world have to alter their behaviour to fit in in, once upon a time a man could physically defend his womans honour, a father could defend his daughters. Heck through marriage/child support even a mans right to walk away from bad behaviour has been stolen from him. You can’t outlaw mans protective and competitive instincts and at the same time allow females to rub their sexuality into his face.
Women are fast realising, men now care a lot more about other men these days than them, they hate the brotherhood of man and its logical ability to detect unproductive trends in female behaviour, they would rather every man resented his neighbour for fucking him over rather than his woman.
Sorry ladies, but everytime you have promiscuous sex you are simulating a DANGEROUS ACT. Only men seem to realise this, whats clever about being fertilised with random seed, risking dangerous pregnancy, STDS and zero male investment…unless of course you can always rely on cuckholding or ridiculous government laws!! Sorry babe ain’t no condoms, pills and child support in my hindbrain!! just slut detecting instincts.
If you watch a man hack to death another person with an axe. It would surely cause some trauma and fear. If you then on closer inspection realise it was a dummy he was hacking to death this may illeviate you’re trauma after the event, but it can’t erase the trauma you did feel at the time. You would possibly even query why he loves hacking the dummy to death, even if hes not hurting anyone…
Women take responsibility for their actions by covering them up, blaming someone else and being deceitful. Thats their idea of responsibility.
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I want to clarify something. I said above I didn’t have much of a problem with lust. I was thinking of myself who occasionally will have a mild crush on a male acquaintance, who is age appropriate. It has never gone beyond anything but flirtation.
Upon further reflection I realize that lust can definitely be a sin. I recently read an article where an adult woman posed as a 14 year old girl on the internet. Within minutes she was bombarded with messages from men much older than herself who were interested in her sexual thoughts, experiences, etc. It seems like men’s lust causes more problems than women’s lust.
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@Laura, You are right. As a man, im aware of my nature. But guess what, men righted themselves by inventing a little thing called law. A totally natural act-RAPE, has been outlawed by guess who, men!! and don’t you agree rightly so?
As far as im concerned most of the men out there are doing a great job not becoming violent criminals, especially those raised in single mother homes and who are currently unattached. Competitiveness, aggression and jealousy come naturally to the men, but typically male crimes are persecuted severely, look at the prison population!!
Of course females don’t rove around commiting violent acts all the time coz they’d eventually get knocked the fuck out by some guy who cared for none of that nonesense, so obviously it’s in their nature and interest to be less aggressive. It does not mean they have no moral obligation to society. They do not get fuck around, they should not get to bear bastard children and populate this nation with the people of their choosing, their future does not have to be my future and the future of my children and certainly i should not have to pay for any of the consequences of their actions whether its in the form of asset theft divorce, child support or taxes.
Have you not considered that perhaps half of those men contacting this 14 year old may be from single mother homes, badly raised, unmarried and out of work.
Most importantly.
since you are so concerned Would you agree that any 14 year old girl using the internet these days should have her activities closely monitered by her FATHER? Mothers by and large don’t do these things. Perhaps the Father with his “insider” knowledge on men is in the best position to control and defend the family unit? his daughters honour?
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@ Laura. I used to live in england, legal age is sixteen over there. Why are you so concerned about a 14 year old gettin some, when theres 16+ year olds out there getting used as cumdumpsters. So when a girl becomes 16 society no longer has any obligations to her she is free to be used at a whim? Thats the wrong attitude, children will follow elders, why the fuck do they speak english? coz you taught it to them durrr!!
And what is society doing now to prevent underage sex? What are mothers doing? arbritrary laws don’t prevent this kind of thing. Proper family and upbringing does.
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It was a story from a British newspaper, by the way. I know a lot of mothers and fathers that wisely monitor very closely what their teenage daughters do online. It’s just kind of sad that a teenage girl can’t go online to chat with friends her own age because a bunch of dirty old men won’t leave her alone.
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Wait a second i didn’t realise old men can magic email adresses out of their asses and hypnotize teenagers. Weren’t we 14 once as well? i certainly wasnt that stupid. Must be the creepy computer skills they’ve accumulated during their lonely unmarried lives.
Get real.
14 year olds are very much interested in and pursueing sex these days, the teenage pregnancy rate in england is ridiculous. I think you are suffering from creepy man syndrome. So it’s ok for 14 year olds to have sex and become impregnated as long as its by their equally young and irresponsible peers. Thats how it is in england. Its the act and End that is the problem to me, not the appearance of the male involved.
Maybe its being a man, who since age 14 has been rather physically imposing and able to deal with average man but im not sure i sympathize with creepy man syndrome. Just sounds like a bunch of women who don’t want their young girls impregnated by Betas ahaha
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also i origionate from a borough in south london, famous for youth and gang violence. Youths killing youths by the dozen, raps, the first cases of female on female violence. the whole shebang.
Why are women so worried about creepy old men when the biggest threats to their children are other people their age. It seems if a crime is commited by a middle aged white male its far more creepy than these other crimes, which are just as bad and often worse.
Its just youth crime, statistics, hell even the british government has been lying about violent crime statistics, saying they are down by as much as they are actually up(40+%). They will lose the next election, because they are a government in fear of telling the truth of why the countries fucked and actually doing something about it. It would alienate their voters who depend on their softness. People who get something for nothing, generally want more something for nothing.
I think its far more worrying, that our younger generation is becoming increasingly susceptible to these pathologies. If you think the old people are creepy now. what about when todays thugs and whores are old and alone?
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I don’t know what website this writer went on. I guess you’re right, if these girls are on Facebook then they can pick and choose who they want to be friends with. I have never been into chat rooms or anything like that.
I think you can understand, though, that a 40 year old man who is on the internet should not be seeking out teenage girls for sex chat. If I had a teenage daughter (I don’t), I would closely monitor her activity on the internet, that’s all. I can’t see any reason for her to ever be in some random chat room talking to strangers, she has peers in her school, church, neighborhood that she can socialize with.
I read the London Times and am aware that England has a large and brazen underclass. It’s something they need to deal with, although I don’t think anyone knows how to.
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zsplat,
Renee, good grief is not an argument. I don’t converse with people who have nothing of more substance to say than what boils down to “I don’t like it and it makes me feel bad and you are a bad person for saying that or even thinking it”.
Lol, I didn’t use “good grief” as an arguement. It’s called an expression. Besides, what you said was so ridiculous, I didn’t see a point in getting into yet another discussion with you about it. Back to the main discussion, if all you got from my comments, or rather my comment to you about women being “trainable” is “i don’t like it, yada yada yada..” then it’s pointless to converse with you as well.
Good grief. Why do you bother saying that? Good grief? WTF kind of lame ass commentary is that. Good grief. Good grief! Oh my gawd! I’m so appalled! I never!
What, is the following more appropiate for your sensibilities? In response to you comment about a person’s “job”…
“What the fuck, what kind of shit it this lol”.
Is that better?
Anyway as for your lame ass question, I’ll say this. Why do you rely on insults to get your point across 😉
And as for your lame ass question “Anyway, if any animal is trainable, does that mean you also agree with the article in question that Roissy discussed?” be more specific. What, exactly are you asking me?
Well, to quote the article:
Every boy soon learns that women seem to know intuitively what the weaker male sex may grasp only by effort and education. Which is why it requires marriage and family to civilize the male animal. He needs a woman’s tutelage.
Since you believe every animal is trainable, do you believe in the above assessment?
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RMM,
He’s not part of the problem. He’s the _consequence_ of the problem.
You can’t be a consequence of a problem if you’re actively participating in the problem, unless you’re thinking of an entirely different problem. Or perhaps you’re looking at it as a cycle.
If anything’s the consequence, it’s unwanted pregnancy, child support, STDs, divorce, etc.
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Comment_Whatever,
Dear, single people pay higher taxes. Higher taxes is an imposed burden.
True, but if you looked at what I was responding to…we weren’t talking about taxes. He was saying that I was doing the imposing….dear.
From a practical point of view, a married woman who is determined to cheat will cheat. This makes the right course of action for the guy a little more complicated.
How, if I may ask? Why can’t he just turn her down? Now if he didn’t know, then that I understand.
The MORALLY RIGHT thing to do when a married woman hits on you is to take her up on it, get pictures, and send them to the husband. Whether you decide to have sex with her will make your decision more or less noble. I’m sure Renee’s little female head would explode if somebody actually did this.
LOL actually no, this little female brain could care less. In fact, I think sending the pictures to the husband is actually a good idea (I’m sure your little male brain just short-circuited).
Does she have a right to cheat or something?
No she doesn’t have a right to cheat. That’s obvious.
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Realist,
I just read two more of your comments. I agree that the law tends to restrict men’s worst sexual urges and yet does nothing to limit women’s worst tendencies. I do believe there should be societal condemnation for female promiscuity and bearing children out of wedlock. I’m not expecting perfection here, but there are huge benefits to having two involved parents in a child’s life.
I one hundred percent agree with you that a strong father in a child’s life is important. I grew up without a strong father figure in my life and it was detrimental to me (I did see him on a regular basis, though and I had other good men in my life). No matter how hard a mother tries she still doesn’t understand how a man thinks and there are just so many things only a father can teach his children. Also, a father provides a sense of security that a mother just can’t provide by herself. I think we mostly agree.
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Lupo,
You have the juvenile morality of an 18 year old, which is why you think woman sluts are equivalent to male sluts, and why you think married people who cheat are morally equivalent to the people they have sex with.
Hey if that’s what you consider “juvenile morality” then fine, that’s you.
But hey, looking on the bright side, it’s the only reason I bothered to talk to you. How many dudes have you cheated on thus far, eh?
Ha, none. And it’s dude, since I’ve only ever had one boyfriend. And that was in college (I’m 25).
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the realist,
There’s alot I can say about your post on March 12, 2010 at 6:54 am, but this part stuck out to me:
Sorry ladies, but everytime you have promiscuous sex you are simulating a DANGEROUS ACT. Only men seem to realise this, whats clever about being fertilised with random seed, risking dangerous pregnancy, STDS and zero male investment…unless of course you can always rely on cuckholding or ridiculous government laws!! Sorry babe ain’t no condoms, pills and child support in my hindbrain!! just slut detecting instincts.
You say that “only men seem to realize this”, but what about men who have promiscuous sex? This blog seems to encourage it, but isn’t that dangerous as well? STDs, unmwanted pregnancy leading to child support….
I may be in the minority, but I don’t see anything clever in fertilising random women. I also don’t believe that promiscuous women are “unnatural” (that’s a whole other topic lol). But no, I’m NOT condoning promiscuity (in men and women), nor do I believe in not accepting responsibility, covering something up, blaming someone else and being deceitful.
since you are so concerned Would you agree that any 14 year old girl using the internet these days should have her activities closely monitered by her FATHER? Mothers by and large don’t do these things.
Now I MUST be in the minority on this one because my Mom was all up in my internet business LOL.
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Realist,
I would agree with you that a large and growing underclass, with no moorings to any set of traditional behaviors or values to keep their most animal instincts in check are a much graver threat to society than a few lonely middle aged men on the internet. At least I think that’s what you are saying.
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Pedestalizing women is a not necessarily bad idea – it used to serve practical purposes in my opinion.
If done properly and systematically, it brainwashes clueless young men into thinking that young women are morally pure, chaste, gracious and good-natured beings who will become good housewives and mothers providing you with a steady supply of regular sex if you marry one. Men will be motivated to marry them, provide for them and protect them as a result, thus contributing to civilization.
Such beliefs also improve the average man’s psychological well-being. He will sleep better at night if he thinks that his mother/wife/sister/aunt/daughter is virtuous, chaste and caring, does not want to fuck bad boys etc.
If young men get the impression that most young women are lustful, amoral, cheating sluts who cuckold their husbands, chase alphas and despise betas – in other words, if they are allowed to be their true selves –, they will avoid committing to them and protecting them. Society declines as a result.
[editor: yes, society declines. but the enlightened man lives in freedom.]
I think older men – the ruling class – taught young men to pedestalize women in order to manipulate them into becoming wage slaves and worker bees for the system, so to speak; to make them invest in society by becoming good husbands.
Needless to say, such pedestalization ONLY makes sense if young women are forced by their fathers, teachers, the church etc. to behave themselves and display moral behavior because young men will only believe what they’re told if their everyday experience validates it.
What I find really disgusting about Paul Greenberg is not that he pedestalizes women, it is that he seems to have nothing but pure contempt towards young men. He refers to them as „male animals”. What kind of attitude is that? Men are supposed to have a minimal amount of solidarity if civilization is to endure. He’s clearly a hateful piece of shit.
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“yes, society declines. but the enlightened man lives in freedom”
No disagreement on that one. My point is that not all conservatives sanctified women in the past because they believed in it; they did it precisely because they knew it is BS – they did it to manipulate others.
Of course, anyone who begins to believe his own propaganda is nothing but an idiot. My guess is that many conservatives in the U.S. have fallen in this trap – they think women are moral, virtuous etc. because that’s what they were taught all their lives. What they forget is that their forefathers – those that were in power, that is – taught this because they knew it was necessary to uphold society. You are supposed to beat such bullshit into the heads of the common folk to keep them in line – you are not supposed to actually believe in it. DUH!
What I find funny is that conservative thinkers didn’t pedestalize women in the past. Origen, Augustin of Hippo, Tertullian, Cato the Elder etc. never did so; they did exactly the opposite. I guess they just had more common sense.
And pedestalizing American women in 2010 is sheer lunacy, of course.
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Realist,
One other thing because you seemed get so angry about this. I do not have creepy man syndrome, I give most men credit for how much self control they exercise. However, I don’t think I am wrong in saying an adult male(if he is barely an adult himself I’d give him some slack) should not be getting too warm and cozy with an underage girl, even with the anonymity of the internet. It is just not wise or moral behavior. I know teenage girls aren’t all sugar and spice and everything nice, I was one once. That does not mean that these men are not responsible for there own behavior. My original point was that while feeling lust is natural, often times (frankly most times), acting on it can be immoral and very harmful to others. It definitely deserves its status one of the seven deadly sins.
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Renee said:
After reading the thread top to bottom, it’s pretty obvious Renee was seriously provoked into saying some of the stuff she said. So I apologize, to her. However, everything I said still stands for feminists. I’ve changed the names in my response so it is appropriate.
First, feminists are trying to impose equality where none exists. They are trying to deflect blame from the one person with a 100% chance of actually preventing a married woman from cheating.
That is the married woman herself.
The single man also made no promise in Church either. He has a moral obligation yes, but it is far smaller than the one the WIFE has.
This is a typical female stunt. They’ll walk into a situation where the woman is actually primarily responsible and start talking about “equality”. To impose on the man.
Then, when the man is primarily responsible…. or has been MADE primarily responsible even though he really isn’t, feminists play the “morality” card or “real man” card or talk about the “real world” or maybe just pretend it never happened. Like taxes. And Selective Service. And Affirmative Action. And Maternity Leave. And paying for Schools. To impose on the man.
Whichever “position” lets feminists IMPOSE on the man is taken. Morality or equality or “Precious Egg” or Real Man or whatever tool get’s men dumped on and her and her sisters privileged.
So really, I’m not terribly interested in what tool feminists are using today.
Renee said:
While I’d like to think she is lying her, if she is being honest in the rest of her writing in this thread it is fairly likely she is telling the truth.
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Comment_Whatever,
After reading the thread top to bottom, it’s pretty obvious Renee was seriously provoked into saying some of the stuff she said. So I apologize, to her.
No apology necessay 😉 You didn’t say anything that called for an apology. But thanks anyway 🙂
Now that I sat on it for awhile, I can understand that the single guy’s moral obligation isn’t as big as that of the wife’s. What bothered me was that some guys here think that the single guy has absolutely no moral obligation whatsoever.
While I’d like to think she is lying her, if she is being honest in the rest of her writing in this thread it is fairly likely she is telling the truth.
I am. I really don’t care whether some random person cheats or not, or is promiscuous. That’s their business. Anyway, I think it’s beneficial for the husband or wife if they find out that their spouse or significant other is cheating – which is why I really don’t have a problem with the method you suggested.
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Renee
It’s necessary when my point is that you are stupid.
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Novaseeker
That’s a little off. The MSM doesn’t actually extol female cheating. But it is vastly more understanding about it. The view is that women don’t naturally cheat unless there’s something terribly wrong with their relationship that’s at least both partners’ fault, but more often it’s supplied that it’s the man who “must be” lacking, emotionally or love making wise.
Instead women who’ve been sluts growing up, or many of whose friends have, often develop the desire for male variety and newness in a new lover. Women crave that first falling in love experience and think that if they don’t continue to feel it after the usual 18mo to 4 year period (starting when they first fell in lust/love), it must be their husband’s fault. Most marriage counselors approach marriage counseling at least partly from that frame. So does Hollywood.
@anony
Aside from it being true that women hide cheating much better, it’s also true that powerful or otherwise leading men don’t want it to come out either, due to the attitudes I described above. It makes them look and feel less powerful to the public. Further there’s the white knighting “for the good of the children” meme that’s still strong particularly when they’re young.
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“If young men get the impression that most young women are lustful, amoral, cheating sluts who cuckold their husbands, chase alphas and despise betas – in other words, if they are allowed to be their true selves –, they will avoid committing to them and protecting them. Society declines as a result.”
I remember reading another guy make a point like this in regards to the Virgina Tech shootings. Basically he was saying that during the massacre it became every MAN for himself, you might say. His point was that even though a lot of American women now view themselves as Linda Hamilton from Terminator 2, that it probably was not a good sign that none of those young guys went out of their way to try and keep the women safe. So while you will never be able to convince women today that the path they have chosen isn’t a very good one, I, just like the men during that shooting would only have my self-interest in mind if I was involved in a situation like that.
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And keep in mind that this is coming from a guy who once had an extreme case of white knight syndrome.
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I take that your point Andrew, is that chivalry is dead.
I thought that was old news?
I guess a lot of guys miss it. Like they miss the innocence of youth. Not to worry, there is an upside to a lack of innocence.
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A female friend of mine whom I met while she was going through a divorce was extremely distraught that her soon-to-be ex husband was getting ready to go on trial for meeting up with a 17 year old girl for sex he had met on the internet.
Of course she thought that this was an utterly vile act that could only have been committed by a very “sick” man, but I think a couple of us helped her to understand that this wasn’t a situation where he was molesting pre-pubescent children, which would have been a lot different.
This whole “creepy old man” culture that was invented by the feminists to help 30+ women to compete sexually with younger women is laughable. I don’t condone men of any age seeking out underage girls for sex, but when you have men and women saying that it is “wrong” for a 40 year old man to have a relationship with a 19-20 year old woman you know that these people have been brainwashed by these older washed up hags who can’t stand the thought of passing their expiration date.
Maybe we should make the age/2+7 formula into a law. That would mean that creepy 38 year old men like myself would have to stick with women 25 and up. Then you could have me arrested when one of my 23 yr old lady friends calls me up to party.
I’m sure that would make you very happy.
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I have had my share of misadventures with married/ attached women (especially in my “poor” days). There is a reason I am over the idea of a stable trusting relationship..
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/on-infidelity-1/
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“I take that your point Andrew, is that chivalry is dead.”
Uh, no. My point is when women are being lit up and young men are only worred about themselves, well, that’s probably a worse sign than the end of chilvary.
It’s not about opening doors for women, or laying down my coat so a woman can walk over a puddle, it’s more about that basic instinct that a lof of men have to protect women and what happens if men lose that.
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“xsplat
And thus I see the the whole Whiskey/Spearhead crowd of betas yearning for a better society as a bunch of wishful thinking dimwits.”
Yearning for a better society? Ouch. Your insult cuts soooo deep. I think I might hang myself.
Wishful thinking? Maybe, if you classify dreaming of feminist being burned at the stake like witches of old, then yes we are quite wishful.
Dimwits? I’d reevaluate that statement in light of how it would reflect upon your own intellectual savvy.
Betas? Reformed ones. It’s not like we don’t follow Roissy’s insights into female nature. We bring Roissy up quite a bit over there, but you know that.
I understand if you don’t want to help us spread the word of feminism’s evil, as you are currently feasting on the fruits of it’s inadvertant unseen consequences, but don’t try to play us as fools. That would be more naive then you even imply we are.
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Str8up- just remember that “Love” is what gives women power over men- women will never attack love; thus anything they attack should be met with the counter of being done in the name of “Love”.
Dating an youger woman and older females in the social circle don’t like it? Use the love excuse and they’ll have nary a word to say.
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Chivalry and civilization and so on are overrated and increasingly irrelevant. The key idea for men is to decide what to do as individuals given the current realities. Anything beyond that is really irrelevant.
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Andrew
I’ve just lumped you in with the other paranoids who overblow small truths into grandiose doomsday scenarios. I call that group the Whiskey crowd.
So what does your doomsday scenario look like? A lack of chivalry leading to…?
What your kind refuses to understand is that men, barring physical trauma to the brain coupled with childhood abuse, are barely capable of harming others, outside of a war on a another tribe. We are not built for it. Other than the roughly 4% of people who are sociopaths, our mirror neurons kick in and we can’t turn off our empathy. It pains us to hurt others.
So this doomsday that your kind portends discounts fundamental human nature. Not holding doors is as far as it will go, because for most of us it’s too painful to actually hurt other people.
Society can’t collapse. It’s impossible. That’s why it’s never happned in all of history or pre-history.
All we ever get are wars and famines and plagues and the like. Social collapse? Impossible.
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I’d like to think that my persuasive rantings have added momentum to the thoughts that were leaning in this new individualist direction, Nova.
I’m not a free market capitalist, and believe that group enforced laws and strictures help. I see a war between free market individualism and collectivism as a necessary tension to mainain a needed balance between individual freedoms and the greater good. But at this time and in this place, we need more freedom, not more or a different kind of social good. Nothing short of revolution can tear down the fucked up edifice, and revolution starts with not being part of the system.
For me, I have no choice but to be an entrepreneur living as an expat if I don’t want to be a wage slave to a system I don’t feel represents my interests. It is in my interest to leave my beloved homeland if I want to be respected as a sexually attractive man by young women.
When the system sucks, create a new one and participate in your creation – don’t feed the beast.
God – I can’t imagine spending four months of the year working in a frozen northern land just to pay taxes which contribute to programs that directly interfere with my interests.
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A sense of frustration and anger is not enough to cause a gun-toting conscript rousing revolution. You need a clearcause and enemy and call to action.
The Whiskey crowd flourishes a vague hand wave at discontent and leaps from that to the wildest possible conclusions.
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I think that the people who view a dichotomy between socially enforced goodness and nihilistic barbarism fail to comprehend is that healthy human nature bars treating each other poorly.
Did you know that over 80% of violent offenders suffer from 2 of three developmental impairments? 1) Low IQ 2) Head trauma 3) Childhood abuse.
People of normal range or above normal range IQ who have not had head trauma are simply not likely or even capable of being violent anti social criminals. It is human nature to want and need to belong to a group, and to treat each other kindly.
Society doesn’t enforce people to be good. People are naturally good, barring head injury and childhood abuse. Or sociopathy or personality developmental disorders such as BPD – again caused by a combination of genetic predisposition, abuse, and brain injury.
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Jabberwoky
Oh! You hit me with an “I know you are but what a I”! Touche, sir!
Huh? Why do you try to pretend I don’t want to spread the word of feminisms evils? Where does that thought come from? Must I be in some opposite ideological camp so that you can argue against me? Nothing I’ve ever said would give rise to that thought logically, so I guess you invented that strawman out of emotional need for a reason to attack.
My reason for calling the spearhead crowd dimwitted betas is clear and simple and consice. They focus on utopia with no clear call to ACTION.
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“I’ve just lumped you in with the other paranoids who overblow small truths into grandiose doomsday scenarios. I call that group the Whiskey crowd.
So what does your doomsday scenario look like? A lack of chivalry leading to…?
What your kind refuses to understand is that men, barring physical trauma to the brain coupled with childhood abuse, are barely capable of harming others, outside of a war on a another tribe. We are not built for it. Other than the roughly 4% of people who are sociopaths, our mirror neurons kick in and we can’t turn off our empathy. It pains us to hurt others.
So this doomsday that your kind portends discounts fundamental human nature. Not holding doors is as far as it will go, because for most of us it’s too painful to actually hurt other people.
Society can’t collapse. It’s impossible. That’s why it’s never happned in all of history or pre-history.
All we ever get are wars and famines and plagues and the like. Social collapse? Impossible.”
When did I ever say the anything about chivalry leading to the fall of civilization? Since I never said this I’ve lumped you into the crowd of shit talking internet assholes who put words into other’s mouthes.
If you really believe that 40 or 50 years ago some asian guy walks onto a college campus and starts blowing away women at a high rate that men wouldn’t have tried to stop him, well, you go ahead and believe that.
As for myself, I know when I see a woman taking crap from a man I really just don’t care. Call it the end of chivalry, or call it whatever the hell you want, I don’t really care. You are wrong, and a man screaming at a woman outside of, let’s say a Sonic, would have cause other man to come running to her need in the past, and now they don’t even bat an eye.
So my “doomsday scenario” is this. The less your average guy cares about women, or coming to their aid when they are in need of help, is probably not a good thing for the women of that culture. Do I think I “chivalry” is the main reason this country will fall hard one day, no, I don’t. But like the The Realist said, it’s not a healthy mindset if the beta males in your country think that women are shit.
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Andrew, I had to put words in your mouth for you because you weren’t doing it yourself. You didn’t elucidate your idea, so I had to fill in the blanks for you.
You’re words have left me with the original picture they painted in my head. That basically you see chivalry as dead. And that somehow you see this as portentious of something vague and unsettling. Other thatn that your pictures is cloudy.
So my originall comment stands. After the fall of innocence (equal to the loss of chivalry) comes all the adult powers of knowledge. Carnal knowledge, specifically. Which can be a very good thing. Even for society.
It’s false that society is predicated on false presumptions, and without them we revert to nihilistic barbarism. Truth, knowledge, and beauty, are the foundations of the good. Knowledge in this case goes hand and hand with the loss of chivalry.
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XSPLAT:
Is it correct that you do not believe the United States would become radically different if every man were to suddenly come to share all of Roissy’s views? Purely hypothetical and never going to happen, but…
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And Andrew, you are still in the recovering beta stage of anger. It will pass. After you see women clearly, for what they are, you eventually get over the dissappointment that they are not as you wish. And then women, exactly as they are, are not shit at all. They’re a blast.
That women dissappoint is not a bad thing. It simply means personal adjustment to harsh realities are called for. This is not socially bad at all – it simply means socially we are maladjusted, and need to come to grips with the true nature of women.
That’s a good thing. Chivalry being dead is healthy. It takes away from a current power imbalance.
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The normal state of “society” for 98% of human existence has been that it thrives within tribes and clans but does not reliably exist between tribes and clans. Every tribe always has the same name for itself. They call themselves “The People”. Other groups are often treated as mortal enemies until proven otherwise – because they are not the People.
When large civilizations break down they de-evolve into smaller and smaller groupings of “societies.” Travel becomes progressively more dangerous. Road blocks, highway robbery, etc. become the new norm.
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Kevin, I don’t understand your question. Are you asking me if the US were radically different would it be radically different?
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Ya, Rum, you’ve got it exactly right.
And large societies don’t break up using arms without very clear us/them boundaries and clear calls to action.
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[editor: for the record, none of the cheating women revealed their status to me when we met. i don’t make it a point to target married women. too many unnecessary entanglements when there are plenty of single women to choose from.]
The flawed logic in your response resembles that of a sociopath..your moral compass is no different than that of the female dregs with whom you devote so much time.
Yes ‘too many unncessary entanglements’ which happen to cause a vast amount of emotional pain for others besides yourself. But why should that concern you? Their relationships walked into your knife.
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Xsplat, you had to put words in my mouth because you’re a dick. You really don’t need to go on some prolonged rambling explanation about how I didn’t “elucidate my idea.”
As far as recovering from beta rage or whatever you think I’m suffering from, you are right, it will pass. I use the fact that I’m worth about 2 million to comfort myself at night.
Chivalry is dead, OK, I AGREE WITH YOU. My point is that America is a violent society and when men no longer feel the need to protect women this might not be such a good thing for women, or society.
So I’ll play your game and say that when EXTREME acts of chivalry die out society is infact in trouble. I know, it’s a crazy idea.
And Xsplat, I’m sure you identify yourself as “alpha” but I doubt that is the case.
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Not to belabor the pointlessness, but it’s your point where I still can’t see what it means. It seems not elucidated.
“My point is that America is a violent society and when men no longer feel the need to protect women this might not be such a good thing for women, or society.”
What does that mean?
I honestly don’t know what you mean. So I try to say out loud what it might mean. I ask you to give examples of what it could mean.
It’s all very vague to me. I don’t agree with your point because I can’t understand what it means.
What, exactly, could be bad for society about men not protecting women?
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Where did you expat to xsplat? And did the reason behind you leaving have anything to do with people wanting to punch you in the face after having a conversation with you?
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Look, dude, you said I put words in your mouth when I tried to understand you. I’ve asked again and again what you mean.
Clearly you don’t mean anything.
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So the reason you left had nothing to do with your toxic personality?
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So this is how our conversation is going:
Me: – hey, what the fuck are you talking about? It makes no sense at all.
You: – you irritate me and I hate you.
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“What does that mean?
I honestly don’t know what you mean. So I try to say out loud what it might mean. I ask you to give examples of what it could mean.
It’s all very vague to me. I don’t agree with your point because I can’t understand what it means.
What, exactly, could be bad for society about men not protecting women?”
Soceity is the book of woman.
To say that it is not good for soceity is to say that something is not good for women.
What the statement really means is that its bad for women to not be protected by men from other men.
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There you go, NY. I can follow your logic.
The other logic leaves me grasping. I may be a dick, but I’m a dick who is genuinely confused by what is meant to be conveyed by Andrews words.
It seems he thinks its self evidently bad that women aren’t protected by men. That me asking the question makes me toxic.
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Well, I do think you are pretty fucking irritating, but I don’t hate you. So where did you expat to, and why?
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Ya, Andrew, I try not to let disagreements spiral out into personal details, especially when it seems the debater is fishing for amunition to use against me. Or has framed the question specifically as finding amunition to use against me. (I must be toxic, that’s why I moved, where did I move? Come on.)
If you want to close the previous topic and come at my business from another angle, I might go there.
I’ve been posting here for quite some time and have mentioned many times where I live and have lived. If you’re curious about me, there’s lots of great stuff written in the older posts.
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So let me get this straight. In a civilized society men don’t protect women, and when women are in need of help or protection it is a perfectly normal response for a man to look the other way? I would say that is abnormal. Infact, I would say that you if you are a man and have never once seen a woman who was being physically harmed by another man and your only thought was “Oh well,” I would say you are very abnormal.
My point is, that MOST, NORMAL, MEN (notice how I said MOST, NORMAL, MEN xspalt??) have some reaction to a woman who is being physically harmed. Whether it is to call the police or to intervene themselves, it is quite normal to do this. So yes, when normal men, (see there it is again) stop caring when women are being assulted or are in any kind of danger it doesn’t bode well. I think it’s a basic reaction that MOST men are born with. I also think men can unlearn it, and stop giving a shit.
Please don’t ask me again what I mean, it’s getting really tired. I understand where you are coming from, but if you can’t understand why a society where men don’t give a shit if a women is in trouble and walk on by, well, then there is nothing else I can say.
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“especially when it seems the debater is fishing for amunition to use against me. Or has framed the question specifically as finding amunition to use against me. (I must be toxic, that’s why I moved, where did I move? Come on.)”
It was simple a question. I think you are paranoid as well as being irritating. So, I’ll ask again, where did you expatriate to and why? I NEED AMMUNITION!!!! Seriously though, they have meds that can deal with paranoia.
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Allright, I’m starting to grasp your ideas. For whatever it’s worth (not much really, the topic is losing entertainment value) I disagree with:
1) Men can unlearn their desire to protect those, male or female, who they consider part of their in group.
2) This is happening or will happen in a widespread way.
But even granting that I’m wrong about 1 and 2, when I say what does it mean, I mean please give concrete examples of what will happen in the real world. Not the overall big picture of men not protecting women. When I tried to paint your idea into concrete pictures, you accused me of putting words in your mouth.
If I say that I think women are getting sluttier, it means that women fuck on average 20 men per lifetime rather than the previous average of 3. I could then go on to say how this has other real life effects, such as STD rates, no more lifetime monogamy and therefore an increase in absent parents, and all the side effects of that, etc, etc.
So what if women get less protection from violent men? What is the consequence of that?
1) I disagree to the degree that this can or will happen
2) Even if it does, so what? Women will either learn to defend themselves, hire defense, or become something that men want to protect. Fine.
You seem to say that men will become more violent against women. I’ve said why I see this can’t and won’t happen. I’ve said why even if it does so what – it’s not negative. If women don’t deserve protection they don’t deserve protection. They’ll figure out one way or another how to be safe.
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Andrew, I’ve written comments in a hefty 30% of the posts on this site. I’ve written a book here.
Do your research if you are so interested in me. The comments here are worth a read, especially mine.
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[…] The “Total Depravity” of Woman by samsonsjawbone on March 13, 2010 Here is the comment I left at Delenda est Carthago; the Roissy post that I am referencing may be found here. […]
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Renee:
“You can’t be a consequence of a problem if you’re actively participating in the problem”
And that’ folks, is a shining example of hamster logic at its best. You make the premise you are trying to defend true in your brain, and work the hamster to connect the dots to justify it.
Renee: The consequence of the feminist changes to the system is men that opt out of it. It’s men adapting to the lack of accountability of women, and of the stiff penalties associated with the traditional marriage. The cheating spouse is the one that made the vows, is the one the law supports, and is ultimately the one with power (in the marriage). If you have the power, sou have the responsibility.
Now let the hamster do of that what it will. No doubt the result will be amusing as always.
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Roissy is well off the mark on this one. The lion’s share of the military are conservatives and they are also the real alphas in the marketplace. GI’s bang chicks all over the world, and when they roll into the clubs in DC, they hook up there as well. Think about it, your a chick and you see some hard, focused military type, or one of the local scenesters playing game?
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Good read, apart from the ending. Dividing all people into two camps of polar opposites and then immediately introducing yourself as an exception to the rule suggests a joke with too weak a punchline. But it’s a point well made all the same, if that’s the intent. I’ve never read a set of lib/con attributes that define anyone either.
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xsplat–
Barbbabs uses “fiat” constantly because he’s an insecure pathetic asshole trying to impress you with his “scholarship”.
“Fiat money” (in the context he uses it) refers to money the acceptance of which for payment is mandated by government “by fiat”, as opposed to any other currency than is backed by gold or something else of value.
He is right about that insofar as if the government can keep printing currency (or issuing it by electronic blips at the Federal Reserve) and tell you you have to accept it, pretty soon it becomes worthless. See 1920’s Germany, for example.
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The cheating spouse is the one that made the vows, is the one the law supports, and is ultimately the one with power (in the marriage).
@RMM —
One correction. It’s the cheating *wife*, not the cheating *spouse*, who has the power. Cheating husbands get slammed by the courts, whereas cheating women typically still win custody of the kids, with the financial windfall that goes along with that. Women control marriage right now legally, full stop — which is why men with sense will avoid getting married.
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[…] Roissy: Why Do Conservatives Sanctify Women? […]
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[…] Roissy: Why Do Conservatives Sanctify Women […]
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“I’ve seen things you gullible chumps wouldn’t believe. Married women’s loins on fire off the rumpled sheets of my bed. A feminine Russian woman, her buttocks turned in my direction, sweetly asking me if I’d “like to do her in the ass” as her cell phone rings with the plaintive wail of her husband seeking her whereabouts. I’ve watched nipples harden in the dark near the cathedral gate, and behind the rectory doors. I’ve lain with the most virtuous women you could imagine — caring women who “have to know so many things” and who give dollars to homeless bums and who tear up during sad scenes in the movies — who freely allowed my member to violate them in every conceivable way in their husband’s and boyfriend’s beds, their writhing bodies, ecstatic moans, and gushing furrows testament to the lustful abandon with which they unshackled themselves of that other conservative virtue, fidelity. I once counseled the most darling woman — a young woman so exquisitely gentle and winsome I’d dare any man not to fall instantly for her — to stop her flowing tears for our doomed affair and, there on the sidewalk in midday, to return to her husband at her apartment which was two blocks down the street; the husband who, through years of his toil and love, put a roof over her underemployed head in one of the ritzier neighborhoods of the city. I have made love — God’s highest expression of devotion to His creation — with women in the company of small woodland creatures, scandalized roommates, and children who were, as best we dared, out of earshot of our erotic rustlings. I have witnessed women, caught in the snare of irrefutable evidence damning their supposed virtue, lie with the effortlessness of a soulless sociopath. In the moment of release, when we come closest to touching the Hand of God, I have been instructed by a wondrously virtuous woman to “rape her” and to “do it like you mean it”. Her screams of howling joy — pain or pleasure I could not tell — to this day echo in my memories. And, most enlightening of all, I have seen wives and girlfriends, their hearts once filled with seemingly endless and nourishing love, cruelly turn on their daft former lovers with a vengeance unmatched by even a wronged God. Such as the time a sizzlingly sexy brunette whose mouth I was gracing with the metaphorical appendage of God’s divine love answered a phone call, mid-oral delight, from her ex-fiancee (who it should be noted was recovering from a mental breakdown) to thank him for purchasing a $5,000 Tempur-Pedic mattress delivered to her apartment two weeks earlier. Her thank you’s sounded surprisingly sincere for a woman whose free hand was simultaneously cradling the fleshy pod holding the life-giving seed of another man.”
—-that is some fantastic (albeit somewhat disturbing) writing. well done.
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Just print every post, comments included, as is, and bind them into a book and sell it, period. Just print and publish your entire blog. It would sell like hot cakes.
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A single man who fucks married or engaged women is doing nothing wrong. The woman who is cheating is doing wrong. Nuff said.
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Anonymousy anonymous -“Southern Baptist pastor Charles Stanley almost lost his position as pastor of First Baptist Church of Atlanta, Georgia when his wife of 40+ years divorced him.”
Small and rather unimportant tidbit but I’ll share it anyway. I went to see Charles Stanley speak (he’s good). I was spotted in the audience and asked if I’d like to be interviewed for his TV show (which we didn’t get in Canada), I said yes. So somewhere out there I’m on TV show looking like Charles Stanley is talking to me but he’s not.
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[…] Roissy – “Why Do Conservatives Sanctify Women?” […]
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Str8up,
I’m over 30 and if you(at age 38) showed up to a party I was at with your 23 year old girlfriend, I would say absolutely nothing about it. It’s none of my business and you wouldn’t be doing anything wrong anyway.
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he confuses girls having the power to divy up access to sex with being superior….the idea that roughly 3 great men have lived…and were indispensable…who built most of the buildings we work/live/shit/fuck/eat in? who built the road that got you there? who keeps the majority of punished/criminals at bay while we sleep relatively safe at night? who has staked out the lines of property and nation thorughout history?
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@xplat, epiclolz:
good point on not calling it out because it is indeed useless.
seeing it on the other side of the looking glass just makes it even more ridiculous since you are on the side with full information. it’s like watching someone steal an icecream cone from a fat kid in slow motion to the sound of wagner.
I knew a churchgoing woman that I knew to be cheating, who renewed her vows because the guy was starting to get wise. I don’t personally involve myself on either side of cheating (except the chump side), because I really don’t need the drama. It’s not exciting to me, and I get a bigger thrill out of long-term pussy than new, fresh pussy. I get anxiety around new-fresh. Nonetheless, I’m taking bits and pieces from this site because I have been chumped, and refuse to take it lying down.
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She kept right on cheating, of course, with a week off for their second honeymoon.
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Reneer said:
“You say that “only men seem to realize this”, but what about men who have promiscuous sex? This blog seems to encourage it, but isn’t that dangerous as well? STDs, unmwanted pregnancy leading to child support….
I may be in the minority, but I don’t see anything clever in fertilising random women. I also don’t believe that promiscuous women are “unnatural” (that’s a whole other topic lol). But no, I’m NOT condoning promiscuity (in men and women), nor do I believe in not accepting responsibility, covering something up, blaming someone else and being deceitful.”
Female promiscuity isn’t unnatural, how they raise their babies is. No welfare state, cuckolds etc equals DEAD BASTARD CHILDREN BY THE MILLION. I mean, its only natural right?
If female promiscuity is natural, would you also agree that a pissed off cuckolded beta killing a cheating bitch and her children is also natural?! lol What about rape? seems pretty natural to me!!
Yes men do have some responsibility. But Theres a saying “if you’re not fucking her, someone else is”. For a man to bow out of the mating game is to completely sideline himself. If the egg is going to get fertilized, men will compete to fertilize it. And the result will always be the same, a pregnant WOMAN. Funny how when a woman wants an abortion, its HER body, HER responsibility. But when she wants child support or to basically blame everything on someone else its the MANS responsibility. No rape, no male authority and the advent of womens rights and birth control means no woman should be getting fertilized unless she actually wants to. Rights come before responsibility, give a man some rights and maybe he’ll take some responsibility.
If im crossing the road, sure the drivers should be careful and try not to hit me. But guess what, if they do hit me, Im the one thats fucked!! nothin the police or courts can do about it afterwards. So i take every care not to get hit, you know a little something called personal responsibility. I think about 50 million abortions show a lot of women have little of this.
So a large proportion of todays women are sluts, but what does that mean? well it means in another age a large percentage of “attractive females” wouldnt be so attractive. That hottie ur dating, if you met her in another age she’d have 4 kids tagging along with her and another one in the oven, probably trying to convince you it was yours. She looks sweet but what about all those kids that might have died from her irresponsibility? Face it, if you are courting a woman who has had even a bit of sex in the last 9 months, you are courting a potentially pregnant woman!! In another age she would be cuckolding your ass and you’d probably want nothing to do with her. Just because the physical effect of promiscuity can be hidden, doesn’t mean men want to be with women who are displaying the exact same kind of irresponsible behaviour. would You want to date a psychopath just coz hes been in a padded cell/sedated his whole life and not had the chance to kill anyone?
There is no excuse for bad character
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Realist,
Female promiscuity isn’t unnatural, how they raise their babies is. No welfare state, cuckolds etc equals DEAD BASTARD CHILDREN BY THE MILLION. I mean, its only natural right?
Natural in terms of a natural result you mean?
If female promiscuity is natural, would you also agree that a pissed off cuckolded beta killing a cheating bitch and her children is also natural?! lol What about rape? seems pretty natural to me!!
Wait, it seems like in the first part you agree and in the second part you disagree. So which is it? Anyway, what I about promiscuous women being natural, I was thinking in terms of it being natural for women to like sex, just like men. In that sense, do I think it’s natural for a cuckholded beta to go on a killing spree? No I don’t think so because it’s unnatural to want to kill people period, unless it’s for reasons like self defense. But even then, I don’t think a peron is consciously thinking of killing the person most of the time.
But I can be completely wrong about what you meant by “natural”.
Yes men do have some responsibility. But Theres a saying “if you’re not fucking her, someone else is”.
So? Should that matter more than personal responsibility?
For a man to bow out of the mating game is to completely sideline himself. If the egg is going to get fertilized, men will compete to fertilize it. And the result will always be the same, a pregnant WOMAN.
And if a single man doesn’t take resonsibility for his spawn, you’ll get, you guessed it, babies without fathers, child support, abortions, etc… Besides, men and women don’t have to be promiscuous to be in the mating game.
Funny how when a woman wants an abortion, its HER body, HER responsibility. But when she wants child support or to basically blame everything on someone else its the MANS responsibility.
I agree that men should have more say when it comes to abortions, but what if it’s the father who the abortion, and not the mother? Because yeah, I’m sure there are men who have no problem with abortions. No I’m not taking the focus from women, I’m just looking at the big picture. I’m curious has anyone don’t a poll on and their views on abortion?
No rape, no male authority and the advent of womens rights and birth control means no woman should be getting fertilized unless she actually wants to. Rights come before responsibility, give a man some rights and maybe he’ll take some responsibility.
And if a guy really wants to have sex and doesn’t want to risk becoming a father before he’s ready, there are condoms. It goes both ways. Hopefully in the near future, there will also be male birth control.
If im crossing the road, sure the drivers should be careful and try not to hit me. But guess what, if they do hit me, Im the one thats fucked!! nothin the police or courts can do about it afterwards. So i take every care not to get hit, you know a little something called personal responsibility. I think about 50 million abortions show a lot of women have little of this.
I’m all for personal responsibility, and you’re right, 50 million abortions isn’t a good evidence of it (I’m guessing the majority of that 50 million was unwanted pregnancy, yes). I can’t help but wonder though, how many of that 50 million was females and males both agreeing to the abortion? Like I said, I’m not trying to shift the focus to males, I’m just trying to get a bigger, unbiased picture of this.
So a large proportion of todays women are sluts, but what does that mean? well it means in another age a large percentage of “attractive females” wouldnt be so attractive. That hottie ur dating…..
There is no excuse for bad character
I see what you’re saying and agree, in my posts I just looked at the other side of the problem. That last sentence pretty much sums up how I view the whole thing of singles knowingly sleeping with married people.
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Oh that was a long one lol. Anyway,
RMM,
Renee: The consequence of the feminist changes to the system is men that opt out of it. It’s men adapting to the lack of accountability of women, and of the stiff penalties associated with the traditional marriage. The cheating spouse is the one that made the vows, is the one the law supports, and is ultimately the one with power (in the marriage). If you have the power, sou have the responsibility.
Adapting to lack of accountability and penalities associated with traditional marriage but knowlingly sleeping with married women? Right……
What single men should just do anything they want to (bad character and all) and not be held accountable for anything because it’s all feminism’s fault???
Suit yourself…..
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Not saying that all single men are capable of and only do things related to bad character.
Maybe that’s why I’ll never agree with you.
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I agree renee we probably have different definitions of natural. What i mean to say is that, no action is more natural than its reaction. In other words if female promiscuity IS natural, then surely so is male hatred of it? I mean if its natural for women to sleep around, would you also agree thats its perfectly natural for no man to commit to, support and generally just turn the other way as such a woman and her offspring fail and die? It’s natural selection in action. What you are failing to accept is that many times in history promiscuity among females has been a fitness reducing behaviour. Unless of course you count cuckolding, tax/child support/divorce theft as natural and legitimate ways of raising a child? In which case that kinda proves my point.
Also you are a joke if you somehow believe murder and killing isn’t natural. Wake up babe, LAW isn’t natural. Law and order is backed by the threat of violence. Its the only reason it works. or are you in the habit of ignoring most of human history and believeing we are somehow innately good? world war 2 alone dissproves your bullshit. Not to mention the study of hunter gatherer remains indicating horrendous levels of violence and murder. The Iceman was stabbed in the back didnt you know?
What we are seeing at the moment is men being exposed to natures sexual selection proccess. What you probably don’t know is that the biggest pressure of natural selection is in fact the DEATH OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
Why are men being exposed to womens hypergamous natures while women aren’t having to keep up their end of the bargain? Why are men being stolen from to defeat natural selection for women? whilst at the same time having their own interests stamped on?
Men definately SHOULD take responsibility. Because when they don’t, the human race ends up up shit creek without a paddle. That Doesn’t mean they are compelled to.
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Realist, you make a lot of sense, as you have on some other things I’ve read from you.
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Realist,
Female promiscuity is natural to some degree, but if there were strong negative repercussions to it you would definitely see a lot less of it. Women will generally put security and social acceptance above sexual pleasure. Obviously, you will still have some of it, because humans are fallible, but it would definitely decrease I believe.
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Thanks Laura, I apologise if i come across as aggressive or bitter sometimes. I do get carried along in the fervor of this site.
I personally don’t consider myself a “beta” or anything for that matter. I don’t believe i would personally benefit greatly from the reintroduction of strict sexual regulation or marriage and gender roles. I do pretty good for myself sexually and financially. Im just an observer to it all really, from a scientific point of view as biology has been my passion since a young age.
One of the reasons i do however believe in the concepts of sexual regulation, monogamy and marriage is the socialization of our species. We are very much a domesticated animal. The role of the father is important for one major reason: The acceptance of law and authority. Once this acceptance crumbles among the masses, we come dangerously close to ferality. Then all bets are off.
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I don’t understand the logic of Roissy’s article. Out of a thousand ways to refure the silly idea that women are better than men, Roissy picked one that doesn’t even make sense.
Like men, women cheat and lie. So? Everybody knows this, even those who argue for woman superiority. My father is a woman advocate, and I often clash against him for this reason. But he doesn’t think that women are more truthful or loyal than men.
Besides, if cheating women are base and contemptible, as Roissy seems to suggest from the way he speaks, then Roissy is just as base. Does he hold in contempt himself as well?
I say this assuming that Roissy’s central argument is that women are not good because they cheat. But from certain turns of phrase of his it seems that what he means is just “Many women gave themselves to me, therefore they are inferior”. Now that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
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The Realist,
I’m apologize, too, I got a little defensive when you said I had “creepy man syndrome”, since I don’t want to be like that. You actually made a lot of good points. A father with his “insider” knowledge of men is probably the best person to look out for his daughter’s interest when she’s young. Now that I think about it I believe my father’s advice about men was better in general than my mother’s advice. Conversely, maybe a mother is best at helping her son in his dealings with girls. Also, dating and marrying an older man who treats a girl well is far better than being with someone her own age who hasn’t grown up yet.
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Roissy must hate his Mom.
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The Realist,
Come to think of it, my husband is only a couple years older than me (we met in college), but I bet most men my age would not have been ready to get married when I was ready. I now wish he was about 10 years older than me, because men age better.
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Laura: “What are the certain forms of cruelty practiced by the majority of women that are difficult for you to forgive?”
Spanxchix: There are a few small things, but the big one, marriage.
If the man is honest and responsible, he will commit all of his free time, all of his past and future earnings, and chastity to a woman. The woman knows that she will not be expected to do anything for him, but the man typically doesn’t realize that. He thinks the sex will continue; maybe even get better. She hopes her sexual feelings for him will continue, but she isn’t concerned when they don’t; that’s *his* problem, not hers. She knows that she will get to keep the kids, the house, and at least a portion of the husbands future earnings no matter what she does.
This is such a spectacularly bad deal for the husband, that one would expect only men who could not get sex any other way to allow themselves to be tricked into it. Except it is worse than that, because the sex usually stops during the first year or two, and the very infrequent sex that remains, is unsatisfying to the husband because it is almost unbearable to the wife. Unbearable to the wife, because, how can she respect a man who would give his life away for a slim chance at having a relationship almost as good as having a girlfriend?
Of course there are exceptions. Most of those exceptions involve husbands who are cheaters, wife beaters, or who are otherwise cruel to their wives. Those wives will stick with their husbands like superglue in the face of enormous social pressure, and will do anything to please their husbands.
It is the honest and responsible husbands, especially the ones who love their children, who unknowingly vow themselves into legalized slavery. But women are not as naive; most of them know what the deal is, and the rest of the women don’t lift a finger when things start going very badly from their husband’s point of view.
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>>>>Women are vile creatures at heart, just as men are.<<<<<<
Roissy if there is no god as you say, then there is no such thing as a person being vile and no such thing as the degradation of a human being.
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Roissy,
Mr. Greenberg is NOT a conservative! He’s a liberal who isn’t as liberal as some, but he’s not a conservative.
MarkyMark
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[…] First he started taking conservatives to task for their obnoxious naivete towards women after a host of bloggers, including myself, had been writing about it for months before. Now he’s beating the drums of […]
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Wow )=
I’m 18, a Christian girl and I’m not like any of those ”GOP” women…
Where have you been meeting them?
But then again I’m not from the USA
Hopefully as Christian foreigners/immigrants come in the more traditional it is getting
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2946
” HLS
Any conservative theorist worth his salt knows that accepting human depravity is the bedrock principle to understanding human nature. Any alleged conservative who applies this to one sex but not the other is unserious.
The biggest problem in the American religious conservative sphere is that evangelicals are still shying away from the feminist accusation that all Christians of being wife-beaters and “oppressors.” As evangelicals have become more educated, they soaked in more academic feminist crap about how the Bible supposedly recommends and historically condoned rape and beatings. It’s a version of same line about how the Bible supposedly supported slavery – even though the only “recommendations” generally soften the impact of what was, at the time, a reality of the peculiar institution. In truth, it required severe hermeneutical gymnastics by Southerners to try to bring slavery in line with their values, and Christianity was at the root of the Abolitionist movement. But evangelicals have been on the defensive about “race inequality” ever since. It’s basically the same effort with regard to alleged “sex inequality,” and evangelicals have caved big-time, trying to parrot feminist canards to avoid criticism (as though that ever insulated anyone). Serious-minded conservatives know that men and women, while different in temperament and outlook, are both equally depraved; thus they should reject both “there are no differences” feminism, and “women are our superiors” fetishizing. The fetishizing is almost worse, since it denies women’s humanity AND makes chumps of men.
I attended a conservative college and one semester I was assigned as temporary T.A. for a young female professor (the professor I normally T.A.’d for was on sabbatical). The young prof was about 28-30, new to the department, smart, fun conversationalist, and a pretty cute blonde to boot – probably a 6.5. One afternoon I was grading papers in her office while she talked on the phone to a friend, discussing her dating life. Mid-way through the conversation she burst out with: “Why are Christian guys always such WEENIES?!” I always remembered that, for two reasons. First, it encapsulated the frustration women naturally feel when their men behave like betas. Second, though we had flirted before, that comment led to absolutely crazy sex on her desk (keyboard was a casualty) within the week. I didn’t know anything about “game” at the time – still don’t profess to practice it – but I knew that she wanted someone to stop kissing up to her. In retrospect, belatedly assigning categories, I can see that I “negged” her teaching style and followed up from there. She was dying for a guy to stop fawning and congratulating her for being “smart, successful, and spiritual” and just start doing her.
That didn’t make her, or women generally, any more or less pure than the rest of humanity. Humanity is corrupt and women are as human as the rest of us. ”
I agree
All of humanity has fallen short of the glory of God
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I must admit though maybe I’m not like those ultra conservative GOP women because I have already had a rebellious phase between 12 and 17 (for 5 years) as in I went to parties a lot and socialized… but then I got hooked on being a health nut/worried on my weight (aaarghh), conspiracies, suicidal tendencies and pornography (yuck)
I was torn between my faith and these actions and so I turned really depressed
Now that I’m 18 though I don’t really care much and I’m back to God
My parents are moderate traditionalists (my mother was born in a small village in Russia and was a Deist until my brother was born… my father was an animist/pagan before Christianity) and I will be a traditionalist until I die
Oh and this is for you Roissy — http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-friends-and-i-have-even-coined.html
Sorry but I just couldn’t help it 🙂
Gigolo!
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King Solomon had it right, “The price of a loose woman may be scarcely a loaf of bread, but if she is married, she is a trap for your precious life.” If some married woman wants to drag a man to Hell with her, and there’s a man dumb enough to take her up on her offer, I can’t stop that, but I want no part in it. Sleeping with another man’s wife is evil, and it’s suicidal.
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Dam good post.
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Good piece of writing, well crafted I must say.
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My mental admiration for conservative ideals took a major hit about three years ago. I was living in Germany and having the time of my life (cheap beer, cheap clubs, pussy on tap, etc.) After 6 months of whoring it up, however, I began to notice that the majority of my conquests (at least in the town that I was living in at the time) wouldn’t acknowledge me in public. They’d talk about me behind my back, but they’d clam up as soon as they realized that I was within earshot (or, sometimes, when they’d walk around a corner and bump into me in traffic) And after the fifth occasion in which I found myself staring at a woman in the supermarkt who looked similar to a woman whose legs I’d seen freshly splayed not even a week prior (with the two differences between her prior and current conduct involving the 2-4 children and slightly harried male companion within arm’s reach), I realized that I’d accidentally cuckolded (pretty close to) two football teams worth (counting the first stringers, second stringers, benchwarmers, coaches, physical therapists and manager) of German men.
To add insult to injury (on their part), I wasn’t even living in a financial (Berlin, Frankfurt, Cologne) , cultural (Munich, Hamburg) or academic (Rostok, Trier) hub. I wasn’t living in an area in which conflicting cultures would have led to the level of liberalism that “traditionally” leads to that type of behaviour. The town that I lived in had a population of less than 40,000 people, it’s outskirts held a grand total of less than 10,000 people and it’s non-German population was barely 10% of the population as a whole (in fact, the Muslim population was under 100, counting Arabs, Kurds and Africans!) The same town that featured full churches every weekend, steak/fried pork/fried chicken/fried fish and potato dinners on a daily basis and men who blithely referred to Chancellor Merkel as a “pussy-eating dyke” for having the temerity to refuse to make any children was literally loaded with women who had no qualms about getting their first taste of BBC (mainly due to the utter dearth of dark-skinned people of any type!) When I realized that the “available” (not married, cohabitating or separated) women in the town unilaterally expected the man to buy the first drink, then measured that total against the women who’d been forward enough to send a free beer or five in my direction, I was shocked to shit! Did it stop me from accepting free beer and pussy, however? Not in the least, although it did remove any thoughts of marrying any of the women in that town from my mind.
There’s a moral there, ladies. Think about it.
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