Years ago when I was rooming in a big house with three other guys, I used to have this short motivational list, handed to me by a friend, taped to my closet door.
THE ONLY ADVICE YOU’LL EVER NEED
Chicks dig power.
Don’t date.
Never pay.
Play by your own rules.
He who hesitates masturbates.
Better to pursue lots of women until you find one willing to go all the way right away than to waste a month on a tease.
Women want to be seduced.
Hot sexy babes want to fuck someone… why not you?
This advice hasn’t stopped working for me.
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Readers occasionally ask me what I was like before I learned game. Before Game. BG. Heh. I used to think there was a time Before Game in my life, but upon further reflection, maybe there never was. I’ll give you an example of what I mean. I was sifting through some mementos during a spring cleaning when I came across a handwritten note I had given to a girl back in the day before I ever knew what a neg was, or anything much about female nature at all.
I’ve always believed there was something special… uncorrupted… about girls I banged before the advent of game in my life. As if winning them over without the use of game and the crimson arts placed them on a higher pedestal than women who would later fall under my more calculated spell. I could look back fondly on those early years bangs and imagine I was “being myself” with those girls, and that the girls loved me for me. So when I found the note I had once long ago written to a girl who was more beautiful than I ever believed I could get, a wave of happy nostalgia and warm feelings for her washed over me. Here, now, in my hand, was proof that there are girls in the world who swoon for romantic, idealistic men. That the Hollywood love story really is possible! I read the note.
ROSES ARE RED
VIOLETS ARE BLUE
YOU’RE A CUTIE
BUT YOUR FEET ARE PEW!
Nope, turns out I was running game back then too, before I knew the power of the neg.
For the curious, she responded to my lovelorn poem on the back of the note.
“You, Nosey Parker, first, who asked you to smell my precious feet? Second, I won’t sink to describing all the smells abundant here!”
Later that evening we had the most amazing sex. She came three times.
First!
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brava.
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5 tips from Tariq Nasheed , one of the best I heard!
“Better to pursue lots of women until you find one willing to go all the way right away than to waste a month on a tease”
can’t agree more!
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It’s funny how when you analyze your successes before you knew any of this they almost always illustrate the principles of game.
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Awww. I wanted to be first! 😦
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There is only 1 truth. Actually, pickup and seduction are very simple if people stick to the basic principles.
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This happened to me too. Before I got into the game I managed to bang a few girls purely through accidental game. Looking back and analyzing how I did it proved to me that game really does work and works well.
Nothing will motivate you more than seeing it work first hand for you.
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I nominate this guy as David Alexander of the Month:
“Man marries pillow”
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/816601-man-marries-pillow
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Back in high school or around that time BG, did you ever override your natural game with beta-moves because you thought it was something you were supposed to do, at least with quality girls?
ahm! me neither.
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I think a lot of the “BG” attitudes of males, both beta and alpha, have to do with the male role models in their lives as children growing up. If Dad is effortlessly dominant, and Mom stays in line, that will be sonny’s natural line of behavior and expectations in a relationship. Vice-versa for a wimpy dad and harridan mom. “Game” is just a codification, a breakdown of natural alpha male behavior, and is best used by betas who need to break themselves of that faulty programming. Looks like you had a dad (or uncle, or older kid in the neighborhood, or whatever) who knew the score and whom you could emulate.
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I used to look back at things I’ve done or said to girls and been amazed that they would still sleep with me after I pulled some of that shit. You know, stuff like not calling when I said I would, or teasing, or getting a blowjob, then making no effort to reciprocate.
I guess it was game at work. Damn. Here I was thinking it was just because I’m so dog gone good looking. Curse this knowledge!
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The only truth is that you are a prick.
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Roses are Red
Grass is Green
You Have a Shape,
like a washing machine.
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Hot sexy babes want to fuck someone… why not you?
I remember that quote(although yours is a little different). Its from mystery.
It went something along the lines of:
“One day she is going to spread her legs for a guy and say, ‘omg baby your so big! fuck me!’
Now…why can’t that guy be you?”
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Nope, turns out I was running game back then too, before I knew the power of the neg.
I’ve found the same when going back and thinking of my pregame conquests. The girls I did best with were always the ones I treated the worst or who somehow thought I was a bad boy.
A few months ago I found a letter my mom had written my dad when I was a teenager, they were already divorced at the time. She mentioned how I was dating two girls simultaneously, but wasn’t worried about them finding out because they went to different schools. One of them was a pastor’s daughter. I had completely forgotten about that. It almost brought a tear to my eye.
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As I’ve said several times here, though not recently, I too have this experience of looking back on my early successes and failures (which started out being quite mixed, even wildly so), and realizing they were some combination of accidental game and fortuitous circumstances. But I also started teaching myself game long, long before seduction went by that name, by observing and dissecting where I’d had success and not, and where others who were a better at it did and didn’t.
I don’t think there was ever a time when I didn’t realize the importance of demonstrating higher value or of female pre-selection. Teasing I got while still in junior high, though refining what works and what doesn’t there took longer. The value of aloofness definitely took me awhile to grasp (really what works best there is hot and cold), as well as putting her emotions on a pull push, rollercoaster ride. Not being mr. nice guy for girls I was especially attracted to also took a while to fully grasp. However I was always a good and easy conversationalist as soon as I got started, and real tall and strong. I also got early on that contra feminists, what was really sexy to girls was playful male dominance, or anyway, that it was a major thing that was strong, while the artist/musician thing could also work, though to work well one needed those talents and primary interests.
There are really two aspects of game. One is quite easy to learn I think, once you full understand and accept the concepts. The other can be quite a bit more difficult, depending on your early role models and other influences, and natural talents.
There’s learning what not to do, and the guidelines for what’s attractive to girls. Replacing the feminist and pedestaling / Hollywood garbage with game/evo psych thinking. That’s not so hard to learn to understand. Then there’s developing sufficiently outgoing and leading social skills, and good, emotionally savvy conversation. For those far away from those abilities to begin with, learning those things is MUCH more difficult. There’s also a limit to how far someone far away from them can go, probably.
But improve with game to some extent regardless? Yeah, have to believe so.
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100%.
Generally w/ my “pre-game” successes what I recall was operating within a frame of total indifference for one reason or another.
It’s true also that I saw myself as “better” than those girls and thus acted accordingly (sarcastic, selfish, unavailable).
Just as true, when I recall my stunning crash and burns w/ girls I thought were “in the bag”, I recall pedestalization on my part, extra efforts, and diligent attempts to show my best side.
What a disaster.
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Yeah, excellent point. I’ve got a few examples of this too. After I told a girl I was with that the only reason I slept over at her place was because I’d had sex (duh?), she was upset for a little while but after that the sex was way hotter. I always wondered why.
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Definitely the case. I accidentally gamed my current gf because I was headed to a party on my motorcycle to try to meet women, when the wife of a friend wanted a ride home. She wouldn’t tell me where her home was, so I had to take her to the party. I thought that would screw it up for me, but I did the best I ever had there; life of the party. Discovered game from there.
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I agree, in all of my pre-game success…. I was still running game. I mean yeah, it’s more calculated and more efficient now, but it was still there then, for sure.
Game is the way men and women communicate to each other – whether they realize it or not.
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There seems to me a great glass ceiling here to talk about. Lacking social skill cripples you greatly in many areas of life.
A personal example: My mother considered it important so I’ve had a lot of miserable disciplinary measures around this. It’s something that is considered important for my future job so I’ve had to work on it. I’ve taken performance workshops from people who work with professional A-list actors, done innumerable scenarios, had a lot of experience and read around.
Despite all this, it’s still a problem and slipping back into an anti-social state is as easy as a life event acting as a stressor.
Knowing a routine and what you’re going to say in the innumerable permutations available to you — having rehearsed scenarios — helps. A person can be quite convincingly confident in some situations, especially when you know what you’re talking about or your positive emotions are running high.
However, sustaining the same performance for a long while is difficult and your tendencies reveal themselves. Some things become ingrained while others can’t be. You can improve beyond expectation working on your personal strengths but you can’t change completely.
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ME: “Can I smell your panties?”
HER: “NO!!”
ME: “Must be your socks then.”
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What is the One Truth of Game?
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St asked: What is the One Truth of Game?
If it shits, don’t pedestalize it.
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Women do not want you to idealize them romantically. They enjoy reading about that crap in romance novels, but even most romance novels deal with passion and lust more so than sentimental, idealized love, which if it does occur, is a result of passion first.
The man who sentimentalizes a girl will be the one left with nothing while she is getting fucked by the guy who wants to fuck her, leave her, and go on the next girl. For instance, just look at Tupac’s love of Clio and where has that gotten him. At least I wrote on my blog a completely filthy post on all the different ways I want to fuck Clio, which she secretly liked btw by advertising it to the whole world, whereas Tupac gets nothing, except being called a “fellow” or “bloke” or something of that nature.
Women love strength, power, virility, masculinity, and sexual passion, not sentimental romantic garbage. If you don’t believe me just look at the world around us and see how people actually act in real life and in real situations.
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Also, when I was a young, innocence teen just past puberty I used to think girls were so uncorrupted and pure that they never farted.
I compare this innocence to one woman I was involved with later in my life who enjoyed farting, especially when they smelled really bad. She even enjoyed farting in my face when she could.
Yeah, all women are always such vessels of moral and spiritual and physical purity, the civilizers of men.
Men need to be realistic about the opposite sex. This is Roissy’s great contribution to mankind.
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@Bhetti,
Your comments above reverberated with me. I’ve found value in reading PUA comments on social skills. They are generalizable inside of – and outside of – work. This has nothing to do with flirting ; rather, just advancing my agenda socially or at work.
A few of my common favs: 1) When addressing any doctor, instead of asking, “how are you?” , I ask “How are your patients?” This is an immediate DHV because all docs will revert to their chronic nervous pit of worrisome pts. and feel diminished. I have many tricks for handling noncompliant docs, but this is my fav.
2) Silence, esp. on the phone. When at an impasse, with any peer, the first to speak will relent. The longer I can hold out with silence, the more likely my adversary will cave. I’ve one adversary doc who knows the same trick. Our conversations are hilariously silent, like a chess game.
3). To any business owner, stating, “how are you?” is a conversational deadend. , Stating, “How are your customers?” opens up the conversation.
4) Ask, “what are the advantageous of that?, works when someone mentions a purchase they’ve made, and they feel good about themselves.
Perusing PUA literature is useful for anyone wishing to improve their social skills or their manipulation skills. I’ve also thought about improve classes but have none readily available.
[editor: well done, anony. the id monster wraps its tentacles around you now. all bow to the power of the id, by force or by surrender.]
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Id monster?
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>> Id monster?
Super egotistical bouncer who keeps underage chicks out of da club.
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A lot of alphas today are not the product of ‘traditional’ patriarchal families – there weren’t a lot of those in my middle-class suburb growing up. Top Alphas ca 2010 are often the product of harridan-moms who whittled down poor, bedraggled dads right before sonny’s horrified eyes.
Top Alphas are the key product of the Gender Revolution of the 1970s. So, Betty Friedan and all the other unfuckable man-haters — thanks. Unintended consequences can be a mo-fo, bitches.
While mommy-dominated “famlies” tend to produce beta-boys, the (sadly few) young men who survive with some common sense and self-worth come to embody complete rejection of all they knew growing up. They simply don’t give a shit what women think.
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Nah, keeps underage boys out of the club. Underage girls (18-20) are industry.
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gdi
And here you’ve hit on my philosophy for counteracting femmebot-group-think forces.
They say that when confronted by a domesticated wolf that is acting dangerously aggressive, to downplay his agression with a verbal “buh”. Act disinterested, as if nothing he could do to you mattered, and he’s all bluster. You don’t confront, you don’t ignore, you just say “buh”.
So to women – “buh”. If boring, idiotic bluster is what you give, then all you get from me is “buh”. And if you back up that idiotic bluster with rule of law, I’ll back up my buh with a huge fuck you and your society too.
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Umm…roissy?
Who cares if she came?
I’m a good student!
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” THE ONLY ADVICE YOU’LL EVER NEED
Chicks dig power.
Don’t date.
Never pay.
Play by your own rules.
He who hesitates masturbates.
Better to pursue lots of women until you find one willing to go all the way right away than to waste a month on a tease.
Women want to be seduced.
Hot sexy babes want to fuck someone… why not you?”
I’m surprised this was PRE-Game because to me this is the fundamental essence of Game.
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“Perusing PUA literature is useful for anyone wishing to improve their social skills or their manipulation skills.”
Seems very useful. Where did you get started?
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DIFFERENT TYPES OF NEGS
Isn’t this sort of neg the one that comes naturally–the playful/flirtatious neg. With the flirtatious neg the girl immediately knows it’s part of a playful/flirtatious routine, whereas the pick-up neg is meant to disarm a girl by temporarily disqualifying yourself (as well as get her attention with an unexpected comment).
It seems even betas playful/flirt neg (it’s called teasing), and often from a very early age (in fact, teasing, seems to be how all of us, alpha and beta, get started in elementary school). Is teasing a girl friend really evidence of one’s pre-game prowess?
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I hate to be the party pooper here, but those folks who are reflecting on their past successes and failures, and noticing that they were aloof/teasing/etc. with their Wins, and romantic/supplicant with their Losses, are leaving out a salient fact: What was it that accounted for your diferent behavior among the different girls? Random chance? Dollars to donuts says it’s because their Losses were among women who were a notch or two (or 5) above them in SMV, while their Wins were with women they weren’t too terribly impressed with.
Every individual has an SMV set-point. More importantly, every individual has an *expectation* of which women are desireable *relative* to that set-point. The core principle of Game is that you train your mind to be self-possessed enough where NO woman’s SMV can shake your frame — the frame of amused mastery/aloofness/C&F,etc.
But let’s not kid ourselves. Game allows you access to that heretofore inaccessible slice of the Venn diagram mapping Reality vs. Perception. While it’s true that Game is a sort of mind-fuck that operates on the margins of people’s uncertain and malleable perceptions, there is still an inter-subjective reality that places upper limits on how far you go. Just saying.
P.S. Racer X, I think I would enjoy farting in your face too.
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My best game ever was totally accidental. I met a beautiful girl and because I was faithfully dating someone else at the time, I stayed away from her. All the other guys were all over her like flies and I would just say, “Hey what’s up?” and go on about my business.
I never for a moment thought that this girl would ever pay attention to me. But I thought that, just in case of a miracle, I would stay the hell away from her so I wouldn’t get in trouble with my fiance.
About a month later, this beauty walks up to me and basically lays herself at my feet. Even a beta like me could see that she was obviously hitting on me. It was a hell of a lesson.
You know what happened next. I ran away from beauty and six months later, my fiance dumped me anyway. It was this combination of incidents that first pushed me on the path of growing up with regards to women.
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Tupac:
No, I don’t think that was it. Like Roissy with the beautiful girl in the post, I dated a very pretty girl for a good while in my early to mid twenties.
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GdI,
So we have some overbearing mother somewhere to thank for the way you turned out?
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Did you see him heel that milf, Laura? I’d say he turned out well enough.
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anony:
Haha, ‘noncompliant doctors’? Only in America. Unusual question.
What’re you trying to convince them to do, woman? Seeing as how docs in America are meant to be gung-ho for treating aggressively (money?!), it must be pretty bad for you.
What purpose does making someone feel bad about a purchase have, unless they’re on tight budgets?
Game strategies are useful if you have certain intents. I don’t really use the dark side of the Game force.
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Tupac said, “P.S. Racer X, I think I would enjoy farting in your face too.”
I admit I got a good laugh out of that one, Tupac.
Do you think the pure and lovely Miss Clio ever….or perhaps we should not even go there?
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“id monster?
Its thirty feet tall, impervious to lasers and has a goatee.
Major nerd props to anyone who actually gets that reference?
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Every little boy grasps the fundamental principles of Game. How does everyone know when he has a crush on a girl? It’s obvious: he harbors remarkably effective ill will and opposition to her, expressed in petty insults and fights. To any keen observer, the acts are clear attempts at flirtation. I may have had my strongest seduction techniques in kindergarten, when I would verbally harass the cute ones especially — a particular, outstanding occasion of kicking one in the shin comes to mind.
For any 6 year-old readers: buy lots of ‘Calvin & Hobbes’ and pay attention to the way Calvin treats Susie. Alpha.
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“Dollars to donuts says it’s because their Losses were among women who were a notch or two (or 5) above them in SMV, while their Wins were with women they weren’t too terribly impressed with.”
Some truth to that, but it’s not simple.
One thing that frequently happens is guys develop an emotional bond or attachment to a girl that they weren’t initially impressed by and were gaming w/ proper indifference.
Suddenly she looks better, interactions w/ her generate stronger feelings, and he “decides” he likes her more than he did originally.
A disastrous series of actions on his part, expressing this greater interest in her will ensue. She’ll reward him with a newfound disgust that ramps up at the same velocity as his feelings of affection.
If he’s ignorant of game concepts, this is a bewildering experience.
Roissy’s referred to the importance of avoiding beta backsliding, it applies to the above.
As another exception, by some fortunate stroke of chance, a girl who may rate above him in SMV expresses early interest in him (possibly surprising him). This gives him confidence, and again he may game her properly by virtue of the fact that he knows he doesn’t have to win her over.
Deep down, all of us have always felt like we are worthy of 9’s and 10’s and will act accordingly in cocky fashion if we know it’s on.
When a few slip through the cracks, we conveniently forget all the 5’s, 6’s, and 7’s who look right past us at the bar if we don’t live up to their measurement of status.
This happened to me several times when I didn’t really understand game. My friends were all shocked (as was I) that certain girls well above my typical dating station threw themselves at me.
Who knows what they misinterpreted in my status/actions to reward me like this, but I felt entitled to the experience and never backslid even though I knew I was rather “lucky” to have access to them.
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How sweet. Roissy is like an eager child coming home from school saying, Mommy, Mommy guess what I did in school today? His insecurity shines right through this post — how desperately he needs the approval of his followers.
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The other point I would add to the above is that most men’s mistakes occur pre-dating/sexing.
They chase, express too much interest, etc. and dig themselves a game hole which is difficult to recover from.
The reason a male 6 who “lucks” into a female 9 by some random circumstance (she’s horny, he reminds her of something fond, she misjudges his status upward) can properly game this 9 is b/c the sex/interest on her part happens quickly.
He will just as quickly see that beyond her looks she’s not that interesting. He’ll probably view himself as higher value than her based on intangibles that he possesses and she does not.
His actions will be congruent with this, he likes how she looks and knows women like her are difficult to obtain, but there’s nothing mystical about her at this point.
He may also incorrectly conclude that more 9’s like her are around the corner in his life, that he’s taken the next step upward.
He’s wrong, but this is good for his frame during the relationship.
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Well, the ID monster was in Forbidden Planet.
I’m no nerd. I saw it when it first came out. Great movie then and a great movie now.
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@ Laura
You couldn’t handle an alpha like GdI, but he still makes your gina tingle, right?
@ Black Flag
He turned out very well indeed. I’m heeled!
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Do you think the pure and lovely Miss Clio ever….or perhaps we should not even go there?
I have it on good authority she was approached first by the Cake Farts franchise, but politely declined.
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The way I handle “alphas” like GdI is by having as little to do with them as I possibly can. His posts have stood out to me because of the seething anger he seems to harbor towards half the human race.
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Laura, you’re afraid of real men who can dominate and play women, aren’t you? That why you hang out on a PUA website – to try to get a taste of the real thing virtually?
GdI’s got righteous anger. Being alpha involves a lot of disgust with what feminists have done to the relations btw the sexes. They’ve decided it’s time to push back. And guess what? Many women are turned on by that.
Still haven’t gotten that vital point yet, huh?
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tupe of earl:
Dollars to donuts says it’s because their Losses were among women who were a notch or two (or 5) above them in SMV, while their Wins were with women they weren’t too terribly impressed with.
this is generally true, but notable exceptions exists. sometimes when a woman a couple SMV points above a man shows interest in him, he will responsd, perversely, with natural aloof game, figuring he doesn’t have a shot or he can’t believe his luck, so he may as well dick around with the chick.
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@ Freya – Couldn’t have said it better … myself! VT!
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Freya,
I’m guessing your a man since you write like one. I’m not really looking for any kind of battle here, it’s my understanding that a few other lovely ladies have left this site in disgrace and I don’t care to join them. As far as why I’m here, I don’t care at all about the PUA stuff, I’m well beyond that scene in my life. However, some of the gender relations commentary (from many of you, not just Roissy) has been fascinating to read and I’ve definitely gotten some real insight into how men think. You usually don’t tell women these things to their faces, do you? To some extent I am sympathetic to you guys, American women do seem to have gotten a little too empowered for their own good. The pendulum should swing in the other direction, to a point.
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Here’s one for you, Roissy. Shane MaGowan. Is he Alpha here or Beta?
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Before learning game:
Given a facial
Got a BJ in the university advising office, and Ikea parking lot
Fucked the poopenshaften
I think I had banged about 25 girls
But…only one had told me she loved me and I had some pretty bad dry spells, and had my heart crushed numerous times.
After learning game:
Told “I love you” several more times
Banged about 50 more girls
Zero dry spells
But, seems a bit harder to fall in love
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@ Grampa:
Congratulations sir. I really didn’t expect anyone who was born in the 40s to be reading this blog.
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@Grampa
Yes, welcome to the blog here. Nice to see someone of your generation and I like the way you spell ‘Grampa’.
I can veritably envision your dentures and smell the Vick’s Vapo Rub.
Rock on, dude.
Rock on.
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lozlzlzl!
i can just see real alpha males like brad pitt and kobe bryant and tiger woods reading this before they go out lozlzlz!
THE ONLY ADVICE YOU’LL EVER NEED
Chicks dig power.
Don’t date.
Never pay.
Play by your own rules.
He who hesitates masturbates.
Better to pursue lots of women until you find one willing to go all the way right away than to waste a month on a tease.
Women want to be seduced.
Hot sexy babes want to fuck someone… why not you?
i can just see real alpha males like john wayne and clint eastwood reading up on how to neg chicks.
lzozlzlzl!
lollllzzooozers!
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GretBuks
You are being used. If you need to have that explained to you, you are as dense as you appear to be..
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lozlzll Rum!
please do explain my yoda master
how are i bein used dude?
thanx! lzoz
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Game is in the twilight of two things I suppose. You are better than her, but there may be a passing interest.
Not enough status and she has no interest; and status is communicated by lack of interest +1.
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“She came three times.”
Odd that someone who claims to have banged so many women can remember how many orgasms a woman had in a single fuck a long time ago.
Also odd to picture you getting laid at all with this list taped to your closet door.
The Roissy cocksuckers here seem to like Roissy’s bravado. But how do actual women reconcile the bravado with the advise lists taped to the door?
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rum you called down the thunder
now don’t be a pussssssss & talk to us!
answer da question biiiaataahahah
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…..
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Everyone don’t neglect to look at this picture I took of an AWESOME BETA-HUBBY, complete with “hubby-harness”!
***ATTN ROISSY**** — you’ll like this one I think
http://yfrog.com/2oexpatbetahunterj
Somewhere in Asia, 2010 (my location and identity I keep to myself thank you very much)
Wife is clearly a foreigner; however the man MAY also be a foreigner to these parts. I just don’t know.
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Drunk, so I’ll share some observations.
ahappinessexperiment: He seems very bitter. He is always shitting on roissy, but his blog pales in comparison.
gunslingergregi: His knowledge seems pretty good, but something about him creeps me out. Maybe it’s the 10-20 quotation marks when one would do? Anyway, I much loved seeing MandyXD/brightstormyday rebuke him.
roissy: Reminds me very much of my estranged friend vanveen. I wish ‘veen would start a blog. Until then I’ll keep reading roissy.
greatbooksformen/shit explosion: Has generally the right idea, but tries too hard. Get yer own blog, buddy. And what’s with all the lolz?
Thursday/Roosh: Cool dudes.
Regular chicks: Also cool. Where’s aeofe?
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Roissy, hate to be a pest, but I cannot seem to submit any comments at all … can you see anything referring to OstroNova in the logs (past 24 hours only)?
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Thursday:
No, I don’t think that was it. Like Roissy with the beautiful girl in the post, I dated a very pretty girl for a good while in my early to mid twenties.
Yeah, so what? So did I. The greatest love of my life was in my early twenties, or should I say my early Betas, the only bona fide 9 I ever had (OK, 8.5 you fucking haters (Cannon) but I’m talking SOLID 8.5), so what does that prove? Hardly anything at all. In my case, after the smoke cleared and I was able to assess the situation rationally I came to see that the factors which made such a relationship possible were a virtual confluence of cosmic events which should never be counted on as any sort of guiding principle. She was hot and unaware of her SMV, you know, one of those chicks we all dream about: a hottie who doesn’t realize her SMV. Kinda simple-minded but sweet. And I was an idealistic philosophy geek who thought he could change the world. She looked up to me as an alpha because of my bullshit naivete. The girl was putty in my hands. I never had it so good and haven’t since. As I contemplated her life post-breakup, I realized she had the typical distant beta-dad who gave birth to a Hott(tm), but coming from an upwardly mobile SWPL family, she did her best to be “good” and “proper” and in her stupidity thought my lame ass attempts at changing the world as a Randian hero was some sort of noble alphaness. She wised up, obviously. None of this is to disparage hot and slutty yet sweet and simple-minded chicks who beg you to tie them up and dominate them. They have their charms.
Anyways, my point is that your exceptions don’t prove the rule. They certainly didn’t in my case.
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Luvsic:
Some truth to that, but it’s not simple.
One thing that frequently happens is guys develop an emotional bond or attachment to a girl that they weren’t initially impressed by and were gaming w/ proper indifference.
Suddenly she looks better, interactions w/ her generate stronger feelings, and he “decides” he likes her more than he did originally.
I honestly cannot relate to this. Seriously. Despite my vestigial romanticism, I was never able to feel anything more for a girl above and beyond the intial impact her beauty had on me. Even as a Super Beta, if a chick wasn’t beautiful, she was dogmeat to me. Of course, once a chick met my threshold, I collapsed into pathetic supplication. But there was no middle ground for me. I suppose that it was has made me so lethal to all the sub 7 chicks in my life: I honestly didn’t give a fuck. I left a lot of broken hearts in my wake.
I can’t have “feelings” for a women whom I can’t look at and want to tenderly caress because of their exquisite beauty. No, not talking about inner beauty aka Clio.
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Luvsic:
The reason a male 6 who “lucks” into a female 9 by some random circumstance (she’s horny, he reminds her of something fond, she misjudges his status upward) can properly game this 9 is b/c the sex/interest on her part happens quickly.
He will just as quickly see that beyond her looks she’s not that interesting. He’ll probably view himself as higher value than her based on intangibles that he possesses and she does not.
His actions will be congruent with this, he likes how she looks and knows women like her are difficult to obtain, but there’s nothing mystical about her at this point.
He may also incorrectly conclude that more 9’s like her are around the corner in his life, that he’s taken the next step upward.
He’s wrong, but this is good for his frame during the relationship.
Dude you just explained the defining moment of my sexual/romantic life to a T. It’s what propels a man to explore the online seduction community to figure out what went wrong and how to get it back. It explains the rivulets and sidestreams of influence which brought me here to Roissy’s blog with all you fuckers.
FUCK
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“””roissy”””:
this is generally true, but notable exceptions exists. sometimes when a woman a couple SMV points above a man shows interest in him, he will responsd, perversely, with natural aloof game, figuring he doesn’t have a shot or he can’t believe his luck, so he may as well dick around with the chick.
Given that your post is accompanied by an unexpected and garish wordpress avatar instead of the usual bag o’ chips, as well as the numerous spelling mistakes contained therein, I shall take this eructation as that of an imposter attempting to lure me to the Beta Side.
Beta, take the hindmost!
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P.S. Fuck the Jews. And their Neocon nuthuggers.
P.P.S. That means you Whiskey.
P.P.P.S. And maybe you too Rum.
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AND FUCK THIS FUCKING MODERATION MOTHERFUCKER!@!!
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TC to Thurs:
Anyways, my point is that your exceptions don’t prove the rule. They certainly didn’t in my case.
D’oh. Swap that the other way around.
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definitely including Rum
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Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women– worked for Conan.
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Laura,
I don’t know if that is right–that the problem is one of too much power in female hands or that the pendulum needs to swing back in the other direction.
If the average woman in her prime years realized that her power over men (her looks) was fleeting, and that just because a man will sleep with her doesn’t mean he’s interested in a relationship, then maybe so many 6, 7, and 8s wouldn’t be hopping on alpha cock and rejecting men they will eventually “settle” for anyway. Maybe some women are happy to engage in a string of messy relationships with emotionally distant Mr. Bigs and then settle down the road, but it more often than not seems to leave them emotionally damaged. Nobody seems to be a winner in the current regime (well, except the alphas, of course).
A commenter here, I think, once linked HL Mencken’s In Defense of Women. What struck me as discordant with contemporary times in that work was that Mencken praised woman’s pragmatic mate selection (contrasting it with male romanticism). Of course, when that was written marriage was essential to financial security and social status for a woman, so they were perhaps forced by circumstance to be pragmatic. Today it’s not absolutely necessary economically or socially (or even to have children!) and romantic comedies and popular culture make a woman think there is a perfect man out there. An average-looking female in her prime is bombarded with attention and can be choosy (for a time). Hence the 40 bullet point check lists and over-estimation of their mate value, which inexplicably often persists after they have hit the “wall.” What we need today is not a rebalance of power. What we need is a return to a more pragmatic mate selection from women.
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i’m pretty sure it will also work for Cannon
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Laura,
I write like a man? Thanks for the compliment. However I fuck like a woman because I am one! You might want to brush up on the lingo. MILF for starters? Again, this is not a gender relations forum and these men don’t need the moderating influence of ladies, lovely or otherwise. Your Marian the Librarian scold bit is wearing thin.
As for what I say to other women, I tell them to experience a man like GdI. It will rock them to their core and change their world forever.You don’t want a battle, but let me offer you a little perspective. Bored by a beta husband? Don’t respect him deep down because he gives in to you too easily due to all this female empowerment BS that’s been force fed to American males? These men intrigue you because you never realized that they existed in today’s PC & PW’ed society. Believe me, they’re real. Rare, but real.
You might also want to ponder why the nom de plume is “Roissy.” There’s an O inside of most women just waiting to submit to a dominant man who takes what he wants. Actually, the secret is that there is very little taking involved as a woman will freely give herself to him once she accepts and internalizes that dynamic.Talk about empowerment for one’s own good. Get thee to a chateau! Btw, Story of O was written by a woman for her lover … to please him as she aged.
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Is there a Washington DC lair? Might be full of lame, wanna-be PUAs but at least they might be able to confirm whether or not this blogging keyboard jockey ever leaves the house.
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@ Laura: Nice try, but Freya is all woman, I can assure you. Born, not just living, that way. Real (nice) tits and everything. We know each other IRL, quite well …
She has been known to speak this freely to gals to their faces too; truth will out.
I suspect your gynocentric worldview can’t accomodate Alphas, much less the women who love them, and who are also willing to call American women out on their self-centered stupidity and venality.
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Tupac says, “I can’t have “feelings” for a women whom I can’t look at and want to tenderly caress because of their exquisite beauty.”
Maybe you don’t have “feelings”.
Not being judgmental, some people just weren’t born with the lobes to do bonding.
To be able to love someone into old age, you have to be able to love people who are not beautiful in the conventional sense. You have to be able to wallow in poop and puss, and so long as that mass of stank loves you back, be undeterred.
“Tenderly caress”? More like meticulously probe.
If you’re going to be honest, be honest all the way. Don’t bullshit as if anyone can possibly win your love by beauty. Beauty fades, and when it does, your fake ass “love” will too.
So stop being fake. Just say all you want to do is shag hot chicks all your life, and don’t give two shits about fostering any kind of emotional connection. It’s a valid lifestyle choice.
The only way it’s freakishly sick is if you purposefully lead women to believe they have a chance of getting real love from you, and then crush them for kicks.
If that is the case, then it is not such a fortunate thing for exquisitely beautiful women. They are not prized by you, since what you’re actually expressing towards them is hatred for being beautiful.
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i see the resident Ent is still railing against oppressive reality
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i used to watch this clip before i went to the gym
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it should be revisited: nicole once considered cutting off her own clit because her main squeeze had a bad case of ED… gee, wonder why?
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GdI,
If you say Freya is a woman, I’ll take your word for but she writes like a man. My first comment directed at you was an attempt at humor. I was actually amused by your theory on how alphas (why do you capitalize it?) can often come from more female dominated families. It would be ironic if the families where the women wear the pants produced the some of the most alpha sons and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
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on the other hand, laura totally writes like a woman
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“Nosey Parker”? Sounds British, or affecting it.
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@Cannon’s canon
My gym plays ghey music so I just blast hatebreed on my ipod.
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Nicole, who are you to define what “emotional connection” means for everyone else on the planet? The only kind of valid emotion is that which leads to a commitment all the way to death?
Emotions are not lifetime occurrences. They are physical sensations that rise up quickly, peak, and then pass. And if someone says he doesn’t feel a certain emotion unless certain conditions are met, that should be presumed to be true unless there is compelling evidence that it is not.
And your prejudice against anyone who does not share your unique view — that valid emotions are only those that lead to changing an old person’s diapers — does not qualify as compelling evidence.
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vincent:
i’ve seen hatebreed six times! last year i got my ass kicked in the pit, everyone was a great sport though, helping me up the three times i got knocked down. my favorite track of theirs is “destroy everything”… true PUA shit, maybe
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El Chief wrote:
“After learning game:
Told “I love you” several more times
Banged about 50 more girls
Zero dry spells
But, seems a bit harder to fall in love”
Yeah, I’ve had exactly the same experience. In my beta days I’d fall head-over-heels in love with nearly any 6+ who would sleep with me.
Since I’ve learned game I’ve banged lots of girls and learned their ways. But I find it difficult to form close emotional bonds with a girl. Call it a teflon heart.
Anyone else find an inverse correlation between game proficiency and ability to fall in love, or even develop strong emotions for a girl?
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Anyone else find an inverse correlation between game proficiency and ability to fall in love, or even develop strong emotions for a girl?
Knowledge of women’s true nature is inversely related to a man’s ability to fall in love with them. Game just happens to be a great way to obtain this knowledge. Once you discover how women think, you feel they don’t deserve your love.
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Dave Chappelle, 2003: “Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.”
Tupac Chopra, 2010: “Love and tenderness are dead, and womens’ greed for constant gina tingle killed it.”
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@Cannon’s canon
Hatebreed is good background music for a lot of things
http://vincentignatius.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/the-secret-to-driving-in-manhattan/
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Tupac Chopra, 2010: “Love and tenderness are dead, and womens’ greed for constant gina tingle killed it.”
That’s right, Tupac. And Racer X’s cock was a weapon of mass destruction used by women to satisfy that gina tingle and as a result, kill off love, tenderness and chivalry. My contribution to humanity is a great one.
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Cannon says, “it should be revisited: nicole once considered cutting off her own clit because her main squeeze had a bad case of ED… gee, wonder why?”
Love, Cannon.
I suppose you don’t think you would deserve to be loved when you can’t have sex for whatever reason, but that’s not how I feel about my husband. I love him more than sex.
Because he loves me, he didn’t allow me to go there.
Good grief…You guys talk so much about getting a woman to love you, but you don’t believe that a woman can indeed love someone.
Maybe you guys aren’t really trying to get love, but perhaps temporary use.
Again, be honest about it.
Tupac, you know where you can shove your relativism.
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Dana, mice should not presume to tell lions how to roar.
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Juan Rico,
Thanks for your comment. You made some good points and I think it is probably good advice for many young women.
Freya,
On second thought you are definitely a woman and what a piece of work you are. GdI is lucky he has someone who is willing to defend him as fiercely as you have. Anyway, my intent was never to scold anyone, I usually don’t tell other people how to live their lives. I just tried to present my opinion to the best of my abilities, admittedly I am not a very good writer. Also, my views aren’t set in stone and sometimes I just tried to offer a different perspective or reiterate what someone else had already said. I guess if it has already been said I don’t need to repeat it. This really isn’t the best type of situation to discuss things of interest with other people, anyway.
Even though this is a man’s forum I think it adds to the dialogue sometimes when women comment on here. I don’t read a lot of the comments, but I almost always read the ones from other women. Many of them are good.
Thanks for advice on finding myself an alpha and I am not familiar with the story behind Roissy’s name, although I think I’ve heard of it before. Maybe I’ll look into it.
As far as your writing goes, it’s actually pretty good. It did sound a bit like it was coming from a man at first for whatever reason.
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@ Laura:
Sweetie, the piece of work is you.
To quote you, this is a man’s forum and you are not a very good writer.
Read the Story of O, jerk off plenty (you will), and find another pastime.
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“Since I’ve learned game I’ve banged lots of girls and learned their ways. But I find it difficult to form close emotional bonds with a girl. Call it a teflon heart.”
Yes, love. It’s little wonder so much art in every culture is devoted to it. Nothing else is like it. No pleasure or sensation can compare.
Pleasure is a vast realm, and from the sweet brightness to the bloody darkness the intrepid explorer is handsomely rewarded for her efforts. But love? When it strikes it’s as if all pleasure collapses into a single landscape, beautiful, like a garden, and you and the most extraordinary person in the world are invited to play in it together for as long as you like.
The paths to pleasure are many and varied, but there is no path to love. You have to be transported, swept up with another person. It cannot be contrived or controlled.
And how easily most people fall in love. My shoulder has been wet with countless tears over the years from friends crying their eyes out over a broken heart. Such pain. It hurts even to listen. And again and again she will curse her treacherous heart and swear that she “never wants to go through this again.” But she does. Because her pain and tears are a measure of the value of what she has lost–the one who held the keys to the garden, the one who made her feel love. It is for lost love that she grieves, not a lost lover.
And if she again finds a man with keys to the garden, she will not hesitate. Ever. She will laugh and take his hand, and run and run, spinning in circles until they both fall down together in that wildly beautiful place; and she will know that these moments are worth any price she’ll have to pay.
It is said that Eden was lost to Adam and Eve when they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It’s a poignant story. And I think that there is a certain kind of dark knowledge and depth of experience that can put Eden beyond our grasp for a time. But it is likely not eternal banishment. A thing that has happened once can happen again. And if it does, we should not be afraid or timid or anxious of the future. We should fling ourselves into the moment with all the passion that is in us. We should fill our minds and hearts and senses with the joy, the delight, the wonder of it all. Because it is wonderful. And to have lost it forever, well, that is too cruel a punishment to accept.
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BlackFlag
Sounds like Shakespeare in Love. That is a compliment, btw.
Guys often do the Love-Spasm thing as strong as women. But they are more likely to be aware of the large role played by fuckability.
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Willard Libby,
If you were not a literal minded idiot you would realize that what Sasha Grey was saying was sarcastic and metaphorical. It may be porn, but even porn has its occasional moments of merit that reflect reality. But let me spell it out for you, since you are about as literal minded as a retarded monkey. What did she mean by that? No, she did not mean leather bound fags fucking each other in the ass. She meant don’t fuck me like a pussy, like a wuss, like some wimpy little she-male, such as Willard Libby must be. You of all people should know that “fag” equals “pussy and wimp” in common parlance, since you are obviously a fag yourself. But to get back to the subject at hand, that verbal exchange is close to the reality of what most women want and it is a reality I know from my own experiences with women in my life.
Romance novels are the female equivalent of most porn, and intense masculine passion is always the underlying force that drive those novels and it is so because women love reading that sort of stuff and fantasizing about in their own lives. The hero of a romance novel is never a wimp.
And to prove this, I challenge any woman reading this blog to say that she really likes to get fucked by a guy who is a whiny, weak and whimpy. Women like to be fucked, and fucked passionately. Prove me wrong.
So yeah, sometimes a “bony ass porn girl” (actually her ass is quite hot) can produce a line or two of worthwhile entertainment that goes beyond the mere voyeuristic pleasures of porn.
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The last post was meant to be in the “The One Truth of Game” thread. I reposted it there.
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@Thansus – “Where’s aeofe?”
Right here. 🙂
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The master was a natural all along after all .. so much for game being a learn able skill.
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aoefe,
There you are. I have an important task for you :
Detox my Buttox.
-GB
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BlackFlag, you seem to get it.
Rum, fuckability is just the spark though. It is the promise of ability to perform a function (of loving, shagging, and perhaps breeding).
Women who have visible traits that display the highest potential for these are the most attractive. Men’s passion is every bit as ingrained and primal as women’s. The approach is different, mostly due to different biologically based functions, but males have no less a capacity for deep, “crazy” bonding than women.
I would like to, if I can in my lifetime, utterly destroy the myth that there is something about being male that makes a person cold, rather than decisive. It is one of the great lies of our age, and it actually makes my nipples hard every time I shut down some bitter bitch.
I wish guys would stop feeding that dragon by pretending that sociopathy is an ideal other men should strive for. I can see the logic of faking it for self defense. My former bitches, though I love them, must all believe that I am capable of harming them if they step out of line. They’re poor boys whose stupidity must be contained so that they no longer attempt to become my parasites again. So I totally get a guy putting on his game face to prevent the female equivalent.
Just, if we’re being honest, Tupac and Cannon, some guys are in this for just the sex, and some guys are in this for the opportunity to express and receive love through their sexuality but in a way that will ultimately surpass sexuality.
Terms like “emotional connection” and “feelings” cloud the issue. I know this because my bitches use these terms all the time. Your “exquisite beauties” are basically on the same level of treatment as me, a flaming, dumbell weilding, sweat loving, butch and happy about it warpig if you vocally ejaculate that slime at them…and they know this.
Maybe they like being treated like warpigs because it’s new for them. However, they do understand that they’re being treated dismissively, and if that’s how you actually feel about them then you’re not fooling us (the readers) either.
If you have a friend, that’s an emotional connection. Would you consider someone your friend who will abandon you when you’re broke?
I did not make this up myself. This view is not unique or abnormal. A “friend” who will abandon you when you’re broke or ill is no friend. A “lover” who will abandon you when your looks fade is just a bitch. Whatever “emotional connection” he or she may be fooling you into thinking there was, was not emotional at all except perhaps exploitive. I suppose that an exploiter can get emotionally attached to the idea of sucking the life out of someone, but for that any host will do. It doesn’t matter if that individual is there or not so long as it’s someone, anyone who has what type of blood the vampire thinks is tastiest.
You can use whatever definitions you like for these words, but in this, you would be the freak, not me.
…and to be honest, I personally think it is freakish and abnormal for a guy not to be able get emotionally attached. Men and males of a great variety of species are nothing if not territorial. Without the impulse to defend and protect, where is the passion? The intensity?
The unbridled, heavy, mad lust in the romance novels and in real life for many men is not going to be expressed by a guy who can’t bond or isn’t bonding at the moment. No matter how kinky and adept you are, if you’re emotionally absent, something isn’t going to be right.
I’ve had enough of both kinds of sex to know the difference. In this, I may be a freak, but I wouldn’t take 1000 adept bitches in place of one real, whole man.
I don’t think you understand that when a woman has bonded with someone, if he’s defective in some way, she’s going to forgive him until whatever it is, breaks the relationship. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t think he’s defective.
So men should really man up. Fucking half heartedly is fucking like a wuss. So I’m not saying guys should give girls a chance if they’re not attractive to them. What I’m saying is that if someone is attractive to you, give yourself a chance to be real for her.
…if you can.
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Everything’s a learnable skill, including game.
All one needs is the correct technique, willingness to practice, reflect on one’s mistakes, and believe you can be good.
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Anyone else find an inverse correlation between game proficiency and ability to fall in love, or even develop strong emotions for a girl?
There may be a biological reason for it. The act of sex releases the bonding hormone oxytocin. I’ve read a study in which researchers discovered that there was a negative correlation between the effectiveness of oxytocin and the number of sexual partners that one has had. In other words, the more people that you sleep with the more difficult it becomes to bond with any of them due to oxytocin becoming ineffective. I can’t seem to find that article at the moment.
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Do you mean to compare me to Tom Stoppard, Rum? If so, then I must congratulate you on the elegance and precision of your flattery. He’s my favorite contemporary playwright. You are much improved.
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BF
Of course; the resonance is un-missable. Besides, contemporary authors rarely if ever write about love in such a soaring, lyrical way. It is not modern-cool. Stoppard got away with doing it by putting the words in the mouths of people we assumed might talk that way -if properly inspired.
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You would enjoy his play Night and Day. It’s primarily a satire on journalism, but he is much concerned with the aesthetics of language–the beauty of language is appreciated but so few people.
You’d probably like The Real Thing as well. Hilarious. It’s all about men and women and marital infidelity: the play within the play is ‘Tis Pity She’s a Whore.)
His humor is all cleverness: witticisms, wordplay, puns, and double entendre. But he uses all that to make philosophical points. He says he’s a “timid libertarian,” but no matter, timid or not, he’s brilliant and I adore him.
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Cool
I adore oiled-up naked women who have no functioning gag reflex who and don’t mind a little rough play…
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Yes I am little dyslexic.
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Anonymous (not me): “In other words, the more people that you sleep with the more difficult it becomes to bond with any of them due to oxytocin becoming ineffective.”
Doing more, enjoying it less. Sure sign of being addicted.
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“P.S. Fuck the Jews.”
fuck your loser asshole.
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“He who hesitates masturbates.”
He who is irrationally paranoid masturbates.
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I think a lot of the “BG” attitudes of males, both beta and alpha, have to do with the male role models in their lives as children growing up. If Dad is effortlessly dominant, and Mom stays in line, that will be sonny’s natural line of behavior and expectations in a relationship.
Effortlessly dominant doesn’t exist. I think it is far more natural for a male to be dominated by a woman, but that isn’t the way it should be for humans, IMO. Chiefly because men are physically bigger and stronger and figuring out the best way to protect their “pride” is their responsibility anyway. Women can help, but it’s not in their nature to be able to execute the metaphysical portion of the “game.”
Vice-versa for a wimpy dad and harridan mom. “Game” is just a codification, a breakdown of natural alpha male behavior, and is best used by betas who need to break themselves of that faulty programming. Looks like you had a dad (or uncle, or older kid in the neighborhood, or whatever) who knew the score and whom you could emulate.
Dad.
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I guess it was game at work. Damn. Here I was thinking it was just because I’m so dog gone good looking. Curse this knowledge!
It was a confused, beta woman just following your lead blindly into the abyss.
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