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I Give Girl Game Advice To A Girl Newly Arrived In The City

March 16, 2010 by CH

I recently received an email from an early 20s girl who just moved to a big city and wanted advice on how to avoid becoming a bitter, cock hopping lawyer chick in pursuit of the elusive commitment-oriented alpha boyfriend. Like most women, she is interested in marriage and kids with a man who also tingles her tangle, and has decided that waiting until her 30s after years climbing the corporate and grad school ladder would be a grave mistake. Smart girl. She requested I don’t post the email, so I will only post my reply to her.

Chateau,

I just recently discovered your blog, and while your theory of women is hardly flattering, my own experience has proved it to be 99.9% true. However, after browsing through your archives I found that you occasionally give advice to wayward womanly souls. I understand the mailbag is very full these days, but I hope you’ll take a moment to read this and offer your complete and unvarnished opinion.

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“What can I do to make myself a more attractive candidate for a wife?”

My answer:

[Note: The girl attached photos of herself. She’s a 6, maybe 6.5. There is raw material to work with. Since 99% of girl game is looks + youth, the advice you read me giving her here is for that last thin reed of 1% of attractiveness measures that are within a woman’s control to change. An improvement in that 1% won’t allow a woman to move up from a beta to an alpha, but it could mean dating up from a 5.5 to a 5.6, or between getting unceremoniously pumped and dumped and squeezing out four months of relationship bliss. In the zero-sum soul crucible of the sexual market, a tiny upgrade from a 5.5 man to a 5.6 man might mean the difference between divorce and a white picket fence.]

Ok, this is a question that just can’t be answered succinctly in the quippy way I like to answer reader emails.  But based on what you wrote in your email I can give you a few pointers.

First, you sound like a pleasant girl, but then most girls who move to the big city start off pleasant only to be ground up by years running the dating circuit. This isn’t the suburbs. A lot of men here will pump and dump you, and from what you told me it sounds like you would be easy prey for pump and dumpers. I’m not going to tell you to suck it up and date men who don’t turn you on. That would be like me telling a man to get past a fat chick’s face and do her in the folds for the good of society. But you do need to have a solid perspective on what you can reasonably snag for the long term. So let’s start with the positives.

  • You’re young. This is by far the biggest asset you have now. Leverage it to the hilt. A 21 year old 6 can compete with a 32 year old 7.5.
  • You’re aware of reality. Don’t underestimate this. When you witness the wreckage of lawyer chicks’ lives piling up around you, your firm grasp of reality will help you avoid endless pain and hallucinations that your cat is a human baby.

Now the negatives.

  • You moved to a big city. Yes, the city is exciting, and the opportunities are great. But you will be continually tempted by alpha swagger and charm to drop your panties, only to feel the burn of disengagement after a few months, weeks, nights. Now you may get lucky and a true alpha will fall in love with you and want marriage and babies, but the odds are not in your favor.
  • You dress frumpy. Spice it up a little. You don’t have to ho out, but you should dress sexier. This is the big leagues now.

As for advice, here’s a quickie checklist:

Coy is good, but don’t be a cocktease. A greater beta, (if all things go in your favor, the best I believe you can shoot for), will quickly tire of you if your goodies aren’t parceled out on a fairly brisk timetable. So pace your makeouts. Aim for closing the deal around date #5 or 6. Any earlier than that and your dreamboat may decide you were under his maximum potential since you gave it up without much work on his part. Any later than that and he may decide you are too much work for the deal you are giving him.

Be shy. Men, especially alphas, love shy women. (Betas, because of low self confidence, tend to misinterpret female shyness as disinterest.) There is probably an evolutionary reason for this. Perhaps a shy woman subcommunicates that she will be less likely to cheat in a relationship. Smile and look down at your feet when he approaches you. Learn to blush on demand. Or apply makeup so it always looks like you’re blushing. Since you have very pale skin, this shouldn’t be too hard to do.

Play a little hard to get. Did you eye flirt with him and sweep a lock of hair behind your ear when he entered the office? Good. Now, when he approaches to say hi you smile warmly, issue a couple of pleasantries, and BE THE FIRST to walk away from the conversation, telling him you need to get back to work. You’ve gotta give the man some running room to chase down his prey. It’s in our blood.

Shy != retiring. In your high-powered career field filled with ambitious douchebags greater beta males you are likely to meet men who enjoy a bit of snappy badinage with a smart chick. If you discuss weighty topics, and feel a need to express disagreement, do so in a way that displays your sharpness but also strokes his ego. Always preface your disagreement by saying “I can see your point…”. Let him win 90% of the time, even when you are right. On those disagreements where you allow yourself to win, be sure they are inconsequential points that will not offend his pride of phallus.

DON’T come onto high value men. Yeah, you might get fucked, but you won’t get loved. Notice I said “high value” men. If you are attracted to a lower value man you may find it advantageous to drop a hint or two. Betas have a hard time screwing up the courage to approach a woman giving no signals at all.

DON’T give blowjobs before you have had sex with him. An early, pre-sex blowjob says one thing to a man — slut. And sluts don’t impress men as marriage prospects.

DON’T try to meet men while hanging out with a bachelorette party. Instead, hang your head in shame and tell any man who asks that you were bribed to go along. He will then be curious about you.

DON’T talk about sex, unless you want him to fuck you that night.

DON’T date a man better looking than what you can reasonably expect to get if you want to have any chance of impressing him in bed.

Date older men. Since you are not a heart-bursting hottie (don’t be depressed, most women aren’t), younger men are more likely to use you as a dry spell ender or entertaining diversion instead of a long term girlfriend with wifey potential. Older men are psychologically primed to settle down and commit. This generational male dynamic is especially pronounced in the big city.

Lacy lingerie. Wear it, live it, love it.

And finally, the three most important girl game tips I can give:

  1. Don’t get fat.
  2. Don’t be a single mom.
  3. Learn to settle.

Best,

C.

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  1. on March 16, 2010 at 12:26 pm Chi-town

    “Smile and look down at your feet when he approaches you. ”

    That works. My wife did that when I walked up to her. I did always like the shy girls.

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  2. on March 16, 2010 at 12:28 pm jakethesnake

    if youre a 6.5 you can get up to 7.5 with good makeup, hair, and style

    it’s amazing what makeup and sexy clothes can do

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  3. on March 16, 2010 at 12:29 pm Basil Ransom

    “An early, pre-sex blowjob says one thing to a man — slut”

    Not true. At least among college kids and high schoolers, girls give beejs to satisfy the man without giving it up just yet. Give a beej on the first date, yeah, that’s a little slutty.

    But given your 5th-6th sex date timeline, a beej on the fourth date is reasonable. A girl can even continue giving bjs instead of giving up that sex on later dates. See: Modern Orthodox Jews.

    And, why not ask for an exclusive relationship before sex happens?

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  4. on March 16, 2010 at 12:29 pm john

    “Learn to SETTLE”?? Ha! You never say that to a chick-especially a young one. All your well thought out advice will now be angrily discarded. “That jerk doesnt know what he’s talking about!” ……Also,your comment about betas not having the balls to approach unless signals dropped…some of us betas practically need to see white smoke coming out of the Vatican before we make the move.. yep, that one hurt!

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  5. on March 16, 2010 at 12:31 pm Cauthon

    Sound advice. I think saying 99% is out of a girl’s control is a bit harsh. Physical fitness, grooming habits (having a good haircut), fashion sense, and generosity to one’s partner are all under the girl’s control. I’d say more like 80% is pure looks.

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  6. on March 16, 2010 at 12:41 pm girl

    another good post… esp. the last three tips. those should be the golden rules for all women.

    should do a post on the rielle hunter GQ spread… please dissect this woman’s thinking because she seems like a nut-case…

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  7. on March 16, 2010 at 12:42 pm girl

    @jakethesnake
    re: makeup

    uh-uh… im pretty sure guys see right through makeup to the real face underneath. doesn’t fool anyone, except on television.

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  8. on March 16, 2010 at 12:46 pm Serena

    BJ comes after sex? I’ve not done either, but I thought oral was a step down from sex so its done first.

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  9. on March 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm jakethesnake

    @ girl

    do you not wear makeup?

    if guys saw right through the makeup every time, women wouldnt wear make up or spend billions of dollars every year

    advice to girl looking for a husband: wear good makeup, dont cake your face like youre wearing a mask for god sakes

    also, if youre out of shape…better start hitting a gym

    [editor: makeup will work for the first night together. the next morning, when he sees her natural face, the illusion will be gone. one night of deception is not good enough to secure one lifetime of marriage.]

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  10. on March 16, 2010 at 12:51 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/07/17/celebrities-stars-without-makeup?test=faces

    Makeup works.

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  11. on March 16, 2010 at 12:52 pm ExtraStout

    The best advice I would give to a young girl who wants to get married and avoid becoming a 30-something cat herder is this:

    Go to church and get married to the first nice guy who shows interest.

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  12. on March 16, 2010 at 12:59 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    Stop eating carbs, unless from fruit. Start deadlifting and squatting. With a barbell.

    Learn to shut the fuck up most of the time, esp. if we are watching a game.

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  13. on March 16, 2010 at 1:02 pm PA

    Of all American girls I’ve known (biblically and otherwise), most if not all insisted they don’t ever want children while in their teens and early 20s. They entertain the idea of having kids at mid to late 20s. Desperately want a child when past 30. Profoundly regret not having children when over 40, especially when they see a baby.

    So your reader was wise to ask your advice on aviding a cat-herder’s lot. But this advice “Go to church and get married to the first nice guy who shows interest” needs to be qualified with “… and shows some degree of masculine pride and competence in life.”

    Many guys are beta with women but know their own worth with other guys. That’s the greater beta you want to aim for. Avoid the nice guy who is a wimp with other guys.

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  14. on March 16, 2010 at 1:04 pm mgtow

    4. Dream on you ‘hope to land a good provider in the big city’ golddigger hussy. The marriage strike is on, and the husband drought is on. Marriage rates are at an all time LOW. Even cohabitation is haunted by de facto relationship laws. Get with the times.

    Woman, may I suggest cats, dildos and maybe a healthy dose of religion if you’re really not into cock hopping. Chances are, you will still end up embittered lamenting that familiar refrain ‘where are all the good men left’ after getting pumped and dumped countless times.

    Still want a husband? Learn to cook, clean and be subservient. Smile more, scowl less. Settle more, nitpick less. Maybe, just maybe, you’ll get hold of a husband, and even so I send my condolences to him in advance.

    Marriage. Just say NO.

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  15. on March 16, 2010 at 1:06 pm jakethesnake

    [editor: makeup will work for the first night together. the next morning, when he sees her natural face, the illusion will be gone. one night of deception is not good enough to secure one lifetime of marriage.]

    true…so don’t cake on that makeup too much because after that night if you look like a completely different person in morning, the makeup will work against you tenfold, not for you

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  16. on March 16, 2010 at 1:12 pm newly divorced

    mgtow

    be nice to her. She hasn’t done anything to any of us (yet?) I agree with the marriage strike but if a woman really wants marriage let’s give her some practical advice.

    A woman who volunteers for a prenup might have a chance of getting married. A female lawyer is my personal nightmare but maybe some guy might be interested.

    Her best chance is a guy who makes less than her so he doesn’t have to worry so much about divorce.

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  17. on March 16, 2010 at 1:16 pm Chi-town

    Here is another look at hormones. Same face but different hormones.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4396230.stm

    To me she goes from a low hormone 6 to a high hormone 8.

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  18. on March 16, 2010 at 1:17 pm jakethesnake

    youre a lawyer or going into law?

    you better hope mr. right hasnt read this blog

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  19. on March 16, 2010 at 1:17 pm Flashman

    I would add:

    Avoid the status whoring that mediocre to moderately attractive women (6 to 8’s) fall into in the big city to boost their self-esteem and fit in. No man with any options finds this attractive in a longterm mate. We see right through it and deduct points. No designer bags, designer shoes, bragging about dinners in hip restaurants, etc. This may elevate your sense of position in the female hierarchy but your position means nothing, absolutely nothing, to us in terms of longterm mate value. We know what the wedding will be like, and the life after, and shudder. LV bag = pump and dump.

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  20. on March 16, 2010 at 1:22 pm Rollo Tomassi

    NDREW DICE CLAY: Hey, is that your chick there?

    GUY IN THE AUDIENCE: Yeah!

    DICE: Damn she’s pretty hot!

    GUY: Yeah,..

    DICE: You been together a while?

    GUY: About 6 months.

    DICE: Nice. She faithful to you?

    GUY: Oh yeah.

    DICE: She good in bed?

    GUY: *nods head enthusiastically*

    DICE: She suck a good dick?

    GUY: (laughing) Oooh yeah,..

    DICE: I suppose the next question would be, “How do you suppose she got that way?”

    Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be HIS slut.

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  21. on March 16, 2010 at 1:28 pm abc

    makeup works. it shows that she puts forth some effort and that counts more than a natural who doesn’t care. there’s not many women who avoid makeup out of modesty which is best of all. “if you make an ugly woman your wife, you’ll be happy for the rest of your life”

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  22. on March 16, 2010 at 1:30 pm puss-n-boots

    All young women should read “The Rules”.

    It’s tenets are trite, old fashioned, calculating, and written by a couple of yentas, but it’s the closest I’ve ever seen to a woman’s version of game… and it works.

    Feminists still hate it fifteen years on and there’s no better endorsement than that.

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  23. on March 16, 2010 at 1:38 pm Proto Simian

    When are the answers to the ‘test of your game questions coming?’ It’s all very well leaving open loops, but it’s no fun without the payoff.

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  24. on March 16, 2010 at 1:41 pm T-1000

    Pretty good advice, but I think the best for any girl not looking to become a 50 year old cat lady who is deluded into thinking her life is like “Sex and the City” is to get the fuck out of the city. It’s a squalid hellhole…all it’s good for is working hard, making money, and blowing off…steam.

    Apart from that, all the points are okay. Not wearing makeup is major bonus points, if you ask me. Makeup is fucking retarded and unattractive…any man with a brain knows that a chick wearing makeup is basically saying “I’m an ugly, banal skeez who knows that I am hideous and tries to hide it by plastering on a bunch of dyes and heavy-metals to my face.” If you’re pretty enough naturally, you won’t need makeup. It even pisses me off when otherwise attractive women slather it on for “special occasions.” Makeup is fucking stupid.

    Dressing frumpy is kind of in the same boat. If you’re naturally attractive enough, not being a little tart about it goes a long way. I suppose tarting yourself up with makeup and clothes helps for some men, but if you’re not a fucking neanderthal, you realize that a woman is either attractive, or she is not. Vain attempts to spruce herself up just advertise insecurities and make you look like a desperate slattern. Everyone can find a use for a done-up gal who cares about her makeup and clothes…but this list of uses does not include a nice, respectable, traditional marriage.

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  25. on March 16, 2010 at 1:41 pm Cam

    Show us her picture.

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  26. on March 16, 2010 at 1:44 pm The Rookie

    I’d like to know when was the last time someone asked her out, and when was the last time she accepted.

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  27. on March 16, 2010 at 1:51 pm Laura

    This advice is excellent. I especially liked the part about not coming on to “high value” men and maybe dropping some hints to “lower value” men. This is how I found my husband.

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  28. on March 16, 2010 at 1:52 pm culdcept

    Makeup, dressing sexy and such may actually make it worse for the girl. She will get the initial attraction, but once the guy sees her for who she really is, its pump and dump time. If she wants a long term relationship, she will have to show who she really is.

    Maybe no one reading these blogs will take her, but there are plenty who will.

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  29. on March 16, 2010 at 1:52 pm jakethesnake

    if she’s up to it, ask if its ok to show us the picture and we can judge where she ranks

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  30. on March 16, 2010 at 1:53 pm Comment_Whatever

    Gee, since looks and partner count are a woman’s greatest asset, maybe you could have, like, talked about the obvious?

    1.Thou Shall Not Tan.

    That will add years to your expiration date.

    2.Thou Shall Not Get A Tramp Stamp.

    You want commitment, right?

    3.Thou Shall Have Long Hair If At All Possible.

    Yes, it is sexy.

    4.Drink Moderately, Or Not At All.

    It ages you, and it causes you to make stupid choices that further lower your market value. See below.

    5.Every Time You Sleep With A Man, Your Value Goes Down…. Even If No One Finds Out.

    So take it seriously, and be serious.

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  31. on March 16, 2010 at 1:54 pm Comment_Whatever

    Five should read:

    5.Every Time You Sleep With A New Man, Your Value Goes Down…. Even If No One Finds Out.

    So take it seriously, and be serious.

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  32. on March 16, 2010 at 1:58 pm krauserpua

    Be a girl who genuinely likes men and wants her partner to be happy. This simple orientation alone will work wonders to get an LTR out of a guy you’ve attracted.

    Men get enought competition and bitching in the public sphere. They certainly don’t want it from their girl too.

    By not being a horrible evil self-centered bitch, you elevate yourself about 90% of women of equal hotness.

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  33. on March 16, 2010 at 1:59 pm OhioStater

    I just read that Elle article; the only thing I can think is “is Gregg alpha or beta?”

    The possibilities are:
    1. he’s physically alpha, but personality beta

    2. he was alpha to her at first, but as she moved up in the world, his grad school status made him less alpha.

    3. its possible she spent too much time with him, or stated differently he spent too much time with her, got soft, and lost some of his masculinity.

    No matter the reason, he’s not alpha if she cheated on him. Full stop.

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  34. on March 16, 2010 at 2:00 pm Willy Wonka

    Interesting reply to her. Although if she doesn’t talk about sex and just avoids the topic.. I’d probably get turned off and start to think she was asexual…. especially if she’s making me wait 5 or 6 dates.

    Actually, I would never wait 5 or 6 dates… that’s just too long to wait.

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  35. on March 16, 2010 at 2:01 pm Skadi

    Play hard to get. Don’t give them pussy or blow jobs for as long as you can hold out. Stay away from alphas but opt for greater / relatively good looking betas. Only have casual sex with a very hot guy (9-10) who you know you won’t be able to pull for long term anyway. Or a guy who can take you on a fantastic all expenses paid trip. 🙂

    Love yourself, dance, get a cool job, travel 🙂 Get your education and financial security, but don’t tell a guy you’re interested in romantically how much you make.

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  36. on March 16, 2010 at 2:02 pm el chief

    1. Keep your goddamn vagina clean and well waxed.

    2. Get a personal trainer and dietitian. Do squats. They are good for your behind. Don’t eat processed food.

    3. Wear heels. Skirts. Long hair. Mild perfume. Makeup. Fingernails not chopped short. Conservative jewelery.

    4. Avoid creating reasons for him to not marry you. Have some savings. Protect your credit rating. Don’t get an STD.

    5. Don’t go whoring it up to Mexico or Thailand or Vegas. We are on to that shit.

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  37. on March 16, 2010 at 2:04 pm PA

    Solid five points from Comment_Whatever.

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  38. on March 16, 2010 at 2:06 pm Doug1

    OhioStater

    No matter the reason, he’s not alpha if she cheated on him. Full stop.

    That is a throughly stupid, deluded statement.

    Some girls will cheat on anyone, over time. Lots will these days in fact.

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  39. on March 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm jakethesnake

    get manicures and pedicures but dont go overboard with all those crazy ass designs

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  40. on March 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm collegeboy

    C’mon.. she’s an early 20 yr old.
    I doubt she’ll take this advice.

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  41. on March 16, 2010 at 12:19 pm Chi-town

    Girl game is summed up by what was know thousands of years ago. A proverb by Solomon, It is even enough game to stir sympathies. Youth, beauty, chastity and good judgment. They may very well instill a sense of loyalty.

    proverbs 11:22
    As a ring of gold in a swine’s snout So is a beautiful woman who lacks discretion.

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  42. on March 16, 2010 at 2:19 pm Skadi

    Omg. Just reading through these posts… unbelievable. To what detail you dissect everything, even the woman’s cycle. To what lengths these guys would go to over analyze girls, amazing.

    It would be nice to have an updated version of the Rules, but not written by a misogynist or even a masculist. Rather someone neutral who has gathered opinions from many sides.

    To the girl.. the best thing is actually to find a guy you have common interests with, often time, love grows out of a friendship, esp., in a younger age.

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  43. on March 16, 2010 at 12:25 pm OstroNova

    Off-topic (Don’t be offended, I read everything you write but this is too good to pass over)

    Last post someone brought up a new article in Elle.com by that legendary narcissist and whore, Elizabeth Wurtzel:

    http://www.elle.com/Life-Love/Sex-Relationships/Failure-to-Launch-When-Beauty-Fades

    Do any of you recall the hilarious interview she gave to Canadian journalist Jan Wong, a few months after the World Trade Center attacks, that instantly ended her career as a celebrity authoress?

    Here is as much of it as I could find. From The Globe and Mail, Feb. 16 2002:

    On Sept. 11, Wurtzel, who usually gets up at the crack of noon, was asleep when her mother called to say a plane had just crashed into the World Trade Center. “My main thought was: What a pain in the ass.”

    Her apartment was at ground zero, on Greenwich Street, south of Chambers. She could see the twin towers from her window. Or she could have, if she had bothered to get out of bed.

    Then the second plane hit, and more people called. Wurtzel finally hauled herself up in time to watch one tower collapse. “I had not the slightest emotional reaction,” she recalls. “I thought: ‘This is a really strange art project.’ ”

    Wurtzel takes a tiny bite of monkfish and ponders the worst terrorist attack in New York’s history. “It was a most amazing sight in terms of sheer elegance. It fell like water. It just slid, like a turtleneck going over someone’s head.”

    She takes another bite of monkfish. “It was just beautiful. You can’t tell people this. I’m talking to you because you’re Canadian.”

    Then her windows blew in. Airplane chunks landed on her roof. Wurtzel crawled into the basement and was later removed from the building. To this day, she can’t understand why everyone else was so upset. “I just felt, like, everyone was overreacting. People were going on about it. That part really annoyed me.”

    Wurtzel became hysterical only when she realized she wouldn’t be allowed back to fetch her cat. She used her psychiatrist’s husband, who is head of the New York City hospital association, to get her past police lines.

    “I cried about all the animals left there in the neighbourhood,” Wurtzel says. But she has remained dry-eyed about all the human victims. “I think I have some kind of emotional block. I think I should join some support group for people who were there.”

    Asked if she has written about her eyewitness account of the World Trade Center attack, Wurtzel tosses her blond mane. “You know what was really funny? After the fact, like, all these different writers were writing these things about what it was like, and nobody bothered to call me.”

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  44. on March 16, 2010 at 2:28 pm jakethesnake

    @skadi

    women over analyze all the time and most of it is an irrational over analyzation

    men analyze and dissect from a rational view-point

    re: To the girl.. the best thing is actually to find a guy you have common interests with, often time, love grows out of a friendship, esp., in a younger age.

    before this happens he has to be physically attracted to you first, DONT FORGET this VERY important fact…

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  45. on March 16, 2010 at 2:29 pm Dat_Truth_Hurts

    @ skadi

    Men don’t just use logic – we fucking invented it.

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  46. on March 16, 2010 at 12:39 pm OstroNova

    While my comments seem to be getting through, here’s a suggestion for your young friend who is seeking a husband: Come to Asia! You can get yourself a nice hubby and father like this:

    http://yfrog.com/2oexpatbetahunterj

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  47. on March 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm Challenge

    A woman can improve her looks by getting in shape. It won’t make as much as a difference as a man, but it will easily put her into 7 range unless she has deformities.

    If she’s hopeless, plastic surgery is a good option if she can afford it. Most men can’t tell the difference except in the boob area.

    Female game includes one component that she missed: convincing him that she’s special and unlike all other women. It’s not enough to be desirable; in order to get his resources, she must be unique in his eyes. Easiest way: she should act like she knows the answers to his vulnerabilities but won’t reveal them until he commits.

    Don’t even go into bars or clubs. Don’t sleep with them until they’ve invested something (met the friends, been to his workplace, or something else that ties their life together).

    The older men pointer is golden, and she’ll find them most attractive anyway.

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  48. on March 16, 2010 at 2:49 pm dragnet

    Okay folks:

    Here’s Laura (older, mature, happily married woman):

    “This advice is excellent. I especially liked the part about not coming on to “high value” men and maybe dropping some hints to “lower value” men. This is how I found my husband.”

    And then here’s Skadi (college student/likely whore):

    “Play hard to get. Don’t give them pussy or blow jobs for as long as you can hold out. Stay away from alphas but opt for greater / relatively good looking betas. Only have casual sex with a very hot guy (9-10) who you know you won’t be able to pull for long term anyway. Or a guy who can take you on a fantastic all expenses paid trip.

    Love yourself, dance, get a cool job, travel Get your education and financial security, but don’t tell a guy you’re interested in romantically how much you make.”

    Need I say more?

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  49. on March 16, 2010 at 2:56 pm Psylo

    @T-1000

    Make up is a tool. Used correctly it can be very beneficial for women which is why it has been used for thousands of years. However many young 20 somethings don’t know how to use it correctly. Makeup can’t make a 6 an 8 but it can make a 6 a 6.5. Makeup can’t be used to mask features, it is used to enhance facial features.

    Similarly pay attention to style and dress. Avoid these awful teenage fashion magazines. Use fashion to simultaneously show off your but keep them “mysterious” to guys as well. Go with outfits that show off your form, not skin. Show , not breasts. Keep them wanting more. Understand? You can also use it to hide problem areas you’re working on with exercise.

    Europe has always proceeded the US when it comes to fashion. If you do look at fashion magazines read the European ones. Be sure to avoid some of their excesses though, like the ugly pointed shoes that were so popular a few years back.

    Additionally don’t go gaudy with clothes. Many women who wear ugly clothes mistakenly think they have fashion sense. Nonsense. Boys talk to them in spite of it. Clothes serve the purpose to add to your attractiveness but the other important aspect of them is to convey a “mood” and communicate personality.

    @Chi-town
    Also the hormones in birth control has been shown to reduce attractiveness. It does reduce acne but by the time you’re in your 20s acne shouldn’t be an issue. Also birth control reduces your ability to “select a compatible mate” (whatever that means.)

    http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thehumancondition/archive/2009/10/07/birth-control-bummer-the-pill-may-affect-attractiveness-but-don-t-give-up-on-oral-contraceptives-yet.aspx

    @ Girl who wrote the letter

    As a lawyer I know you like to argue. Don’t argue. Use your intelligence. Women like men who are domineering. Men like women who look up to them. Men are made to swiftly and deftly destroy opponents. Don’t become an opponent.

    Instead of pissing him off ask him questions. Flatter him. You value what he says. Don’t get in a debate with him. Lead him on, don’t fight. Ask him, “Wow, I never thought about it that way. What do you think about …” not, “You’re wrong. It goes like this…”

    I’ve heard Barbara Walter’s book “How to Talk with Practically Anybody about Practically Anything” is good but given its list price on Amazon I haven’t had the chance to read it yet.

    From some of the lawyer girls I’ve known they’ve had to fight against themselves to not have a confrontational conversation. Don’t let that be a habit for you.

    Others here have commented adequately about the need to eat healthy and work out.

    Remember you signal you are an acceptable mate through your looks. You convince a guy you are “the one,” special, through your personality.

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  50. on March 16, 2010 at 2:58 pm Psylo

    Use fashion to simultaneously show off your _assets_ * but keep them “mysterious” to guys as well.

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  51. on March 16, 2010 at 3:00 pm Psylo

    Show _cleavage_*, not breasts.

    (I was using a spellcheck addon in firefox, “After the Deadline.” It looks like it has some bugs.)

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  52. on March 16, 2010 at 1:09 pm newly divorced

    Some advice:

    You’re a lawyer. That is a HUGE, MASSIVE negative for a successful guy. You still have a chance with successful guys (if they are a nice, boring guy) but you have to be upfront and volunteer for a prenup.

    Otherwise, any guy with an IQ over 70 will run for the hills.

    Otherwise, advice is good. Also, hit the gym, go to church to look for nice guys and stay away from badboys (bartenders, bikers etc.)

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  53. on March 16, 2010 at 1:10 pm Chi-town

    Make up does mask hormonal cycles. Women tend to look a bit more like they do when they have make up on depending on where they are in a given cycle. In other words, sometimes she might actually look like that a bit more. So if she is in the worst part of her cycle we, are talking about those tenths of a point here.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/200907/are-fertile-women-more-attractive

    “All of the above changes in women’s attractiveness and flirtatiousness across the menstrual cycle may have a relatively simple hormonal explanation. They might be due to increases in estrogen levels, which peak around the time of ovulation. Other research finds that women whose estrogen (estradiol) level is high are both more physically attractive and more likely to think of cheating on their current mate ”

    On the other hand she is more likely to be going after you at the peak.

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  54. on March 16, 2010 at 3:10 pm Chi-town

    @Psylo

    Show 40% skin is the latest research. That includes arms, neck line, legs etc. Any less means prude. Anymore means slut according to observational research on how men reacted.

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  55. on March 16, 2010 at 3:13 pm jakethesnake

    @ the girl who wrote the letter

    do you really want to be a lawyer?

    i suggest a career change. teacher perhaps. or rethink why you became a lawyer in the first place. as of now there are way too many laws and too many unjust laws. do you really want to defend those laws? just thinking of that turns me off

    don’t forget that along with all these superficial/ external improvements youre making, you will need a certain level of inner game. i commend you for wanting to make such improvements. all women should take note, they would be much happier

    @psylo

    solid advice

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  56. on March 16, 2010 at 1:18 pm Doug1

    Cauthon

    I think when most men including alphas are looking for wives, it’s more like 70% depends on hotness. Really I think it works by thresholds. Hot enough for him, then other things matter big. His hotness pickiness will go up with his perceived/experienced ability to pull, i.e. his own hotness or remaining self delusion. His weighing of other factors will go up as he matures and gets wiser. Another reason why high quality cute but not gorgeous girls should start seriously looking for husband material when just out of college and looking primarily at men about 10 years older than herself, or even 15 years older if she discovers a real gem there who emotionally clicks with her, makes her gina tingle, and she loves doing stuff with.

    Despite the hyperbole, the advice here is gold. What it amounts to is how to act like a fiercely pair bonding non slut who is vulnerable to being completely sexually overwhelmed by the higher beta in question, or as close to that as possible.

    There are other things outside the realm of sexual attraction, but important in choosing a wife. The sort of older, wiser and higher status higher beta he is counseling her to go for in her “high powered career field” will likely strongly weigh these things. Yeah he might chuck some of them for an 8 he can delude himself into believing will be true to him once married in today’s feminist and uber empowering and shelter women world. (Consider our family courts’ incredibly one sided ‘men are guilty until proven innocent’ treatment, and in the case of orders of protection with their house and children losing consequences that’s almost impossible to do.) But otherwise he’ll likely weigh them quite heavily:

    Status. This is significantly conveyed to women in particular by the status of her parents particularly her father, which obviously the girl can’t do anything about. But it’s also conveyed in our culture for girls by the perceived quality/status of her undergrad college. (Not so much university after that and it’s quite unimportant to the great majority of men whether she goes on from there, and indeed grad school often becomes an unspoken to her face mild negative). Also by her circle of friends. The key here is enough, not maxing out. Maxing out is a negative.

    Intelligent and interesting conversationalist w/him on things other than herself and her relations.

    Treats him well and even admiringly in front of her friends including when he’s not there.

    Being good with money and certainly not a spendthrift.

    Nurturing.

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  57. on March 16, 2010 at 3:18 pm z

    “Makeup can’t make a 6 an 8 but it can make a 6 a 6.5.”

    I went home with a blonde 7 who was 33 once. At least I thought she was a 7. Showering with her in the morning, seeing her teased-hair get wet and her make-up wash off, I was astonished at how average looking she was (and especially how small her eyes were).

    If you could take away her breast implants, considering her face with no make-up…………………..I’d honestly say she was about a 5 to maybe 5.5. The night before in a dark resturaunt (O’Charley’s) I thought she was a solid 7 with a short “business-girl” haircut, curvy hips, big tits, and suprisingly good skin. Her eyes especially benefitted from the blue mascara around them. Her eyes were actually hazel, but the make-up made you think “blue”. The eyeliner made her eyes look bigger than they were, the blush was perfectly faded and applied that made her look like a much younger girl. The lipstick was deliciously red and candy-like. In the morning, in the shower……………all this stuff “melted away like ice cream in the sun” to borrow a lyric. What was left was -her-, a 33-year-old state information technology employee with two cats, no kids, and pretty bad morning breath. The teased-hair that had some sort of shiny highlights (dishwater blonde with frosty-looking light blonde highlights, blow-dried “up”) looked all shiny the night before. It was more chemical effects, as when it was down and plastered to her skull, looked so lifeless and thin. The crucifix necklace nested between those enormous-straight-out silcone mountain-titties (a mixed signal if there ever was one) was not there in the morning. She had on large-shiny earrings the night before too, and would stare at me with her eyes WIDE fucking open while she would twirl one in her fingers, shining the reflected light at me while I spoke. It had an effect of me noticing all those peacock colors my eyes were being entranced with.
    It was artifice.

    I couldn’t fucking wait to get out of there. There have been others who were -somewhat- like this in my own past, but she was the best example I could think of concerning what make-up, fake-tits, and good presentation and environment (dark resturaunt, liquor) could do to queer-up the data points in assessing poon-tang quality.

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  58. on March 16, 2010 at 3:19 pm Skadi

    Simple men are sexier.

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  59. on March 16, 2010 at 3:19 pm al

    To all the experts who can’t read, it doesn’t say she is a lawyer, it says she wants to avoid becoming a single 30 something lawyer.

    A 21 year old 6 can compete with a 32 year old 7.5.

    Brutal.

    Good luck girly. I’d say chose your girlfriends wisely, because it’s easy to underestimate the amount of trouble/influence your friends may have (especially when out partying.) On the other hand, too careful/dull of friends and you’ll be limiting your social circle.

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  60. on March 16, 2010 at 3:19 pm Psylo

    @Chi-town

    I was telling her not to dress like a whore. Thanks for giving me that 40% number. A quick search found this article. Not the most scientific but it looks like a fun study to use grant money on. You got anymore info about that statistic?

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/6486296/women-should-bare-40pc-of-bodies-to-attract-men-study/

    @jakethesnake

    Depending on what type of lawyer things can really come out good for her. Sure, she has to do her time in the office but a few years later and those law firms can have flexible working hours and she can work at home depending on the nature of their business. Not every lawyer is a divorce or criminal attorney.

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  61. on March 16, 2010 at 3:21 pm PA

    Simple men are sexier.

    Lynyrd Skynyrd’s mom agrees. I do too.

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  62. on March 16, 2010 at 3:21 pm Chi-town

    @Skadi

    In other words, you are an uninquisitive fool that leaves things to chance. If people are mindful of a woman’s ovulation when trying to impregnate, do you suppose nature is blind to this? One who tries to pass off their deficits as virtues is like a junk man huckster trying to sell buckets full of holes.

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  63. on March 16, 2010 at 3:28 pm Rollo Tomassi

    @skadi

    One of the surest indicators of an AFC-beta mindset is the automatic presumption that anything remotely critical a man would say about women, or the feminine, is by default, equated with misogyny. All a man need do is open his mouth, in the most objective way he can muster, about anything critical of the feminine and he’s instantly suspect of sour grapes. He must’ve been burned, or is bitter and on the verge of desperation just for even a passing mention of even the most innocuous critical observation.

    What an amazingly potent social convention that is – when a man would feel the need to censor himself because of it on his own, even in anonymity. The most successful social conventions are ones in which the subject willingly sublimates his own interests, discourages questioning it, and predisposes that person to encourage others to participate in it. This is what you’re doing here. AFCs are crabs in a barrel. As soon as one climbs up to the top to escape, 10 more clamber over him to pull him back in.

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  64. on March 16, 2010 at 3:28 pm jakethesnake

    @skadi

    all men are simple. which leads to the ever so popular saying…”i’m a simple man, with simple needs”

    youre just hoping for a man that’s simple in your way…i’ll make it really fucking simple for you…if your hot, you will have a lot of simple men to choose from.

    simple enough for ya?

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  65. on March 16, 2010 at 3:30 pm Psylo

    @ Z

    Ouch.

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  66. on March 16, 2010 at 3:30 pm too late for romance

    @Skadi

    “To the girl.. the best thing is actually to find a guy you have common interests with, often time, love grows out of a friendship, esp., in a younger age.”

    Jesus, you really drank the kool-aid.

    @unknownlawyerchick

    The 5-6 date fuck limit might be good for you, but any guy worth getting involved with will not put up with this in 2010. There is always another woman down the block who will do the heavy lifting if you aren’t interested.

    And no one really gives a fuck about your academic credentials and achievements.

    It’s hilarious when I hear women spout these things off as though any man really gives a shit. Honestly, it would be difficult to misunderstand male sexuality more thoroughly than thinking that a CV interests men at all.

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  67. on March 16, 2010 at 3:30 pm Dalrock

    Only have casual sex with a very hot guy (9-10) who you know you won’t be able to pull for long term anyway. Or a guy who can take you on a fantastic all expenses paid trip. 🙂

    In addition to acting like a whore, don’t forget to smoke crack too. The kind of guy you want to marry you will never be able to tell.

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  68. on March 16, 2010 at 3:34 pm jakethesnake

    @psylo

    i hope youre right on the lawyer part…but if she’s married and 40 is around the corner and given her adept knowledge of the law and other lawyer friends to turn to…and there’s multiple properties and cars and savings and and and…i think you know where i am going with this…it does not look good

    men who read this blog are very well aware of this

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  69. on March 16, 2010 at 3:43 pm Psylo

    @jakethesnake

    Didn’t think about it that way. You’re probably right about that.

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  70. on March 16, 2010 at 3:44 pm jakethesnake

    @unknown lawyer chick

    you dont have to follow the 5-6 date rule to a T.

    the main purpose of the rule: Don’t be easy

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  71. on March 16, 2010 at 3:45 pm Skadi

    Dal, women have sexual urges too, regardless of what you wanna call that. Acting like a whore? At least I choose my sex partners very carefully (super hot, young, clean and in discreet surroundings), unlike most guys who fuck indiscriminately, they don’t really care about age or looks when they want sex. So unclean they are.

    Why would I smoke? I don’t wanna blow smoke into a young handsome lover’s face.

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  72. on March 16, 2010 at 3:48 pm Skanki

    Lawyer, lawyer, your ass on fire! 🙂 How’s the auto industry these days by the way?

    This blog deserves to become the dumpster it is.

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  73. on March 16, 2010 at 3:48 pm Xamuel

    Mostly good advice but… the 5th or 6th date?!??? By then, it’s not a date any more, it’s “lunch with the gay friend”!

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  74. on March 16, 2010 at 3:49 pm jakethesnake

    @skadi

    hey hey now, no need to get all hostile towards men. for your information those girls i “indiscriminately fucked” all had very good personalities and were well educated

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  75. on March 16, 2010 at 2:03 pm dragnet

    Let’s all try not to be too hard on this girl. Marriage is still a pretty sweet deal for a woman in our society, if you can make it happen. She’d be daft not to want it. You put out a few times, maybe reproduce…and in return get ironclad access to a man’s wealth, whether or not you even stay married—an IOU backed by the threat of force from the state. A foolproof investment strategy if there ever was one. Any honest person would always encourage women to marry…and in turn advise men to avoid the wedding chapel like they would the gates of Hell.

    As for the advice—solid. She’s a 6? Getting fit, light makeup, cultivating long, beautiful hair, and wearing clothes that flatter you (but aren’t slutty) will make you a tasteful 7-7.5. Learn to stroke your man’s ego—really, it’s okay to play to his masculinity and speak favorably of it. Just a little of it goes a long way. And please know that if you have a hint of entitlement, ruthlessness, or selfishness—no decent man who is husband material will chance you. That’s exactly that kind of woman who has raped many a man in divorce court while stealing his children in family court. Character matters.

    And for Chrissakes please ignore the bitch in this thread who’s advising you to follow “The Rules”. That shit is bunk. It doesn’t work. One of the authors is now divorced, I’m not sure the other ever managed to marry, and there are millions of aging, lonely ass women with sagging chests and dessicated ovaries who have only that book to show for all that wasted time.

    In any case, good luck. You seem like you could be a sweetheart. I wouldn’t take a chance on a female lawyer, but shit, a sucker’s born every minute they say.

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  76. on March 16, 2010 at 4:10 pm Skadi

    jakethesnake, I have a sexual urge towards you. I bet you’re hot.

    I know why you didn’t settle. I didn’t finish highschool. Guys hate girls that are smarter than them. That’s why my girlfriends say it’s always so easy for me.

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  77. on March 16, 2010 at 4:12 pm Chi-town

    ” most guys who fuck indiscriminately, they don’t really care about age or looks when they want sex.”

    In other words, they don’t mind skadi.

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  78. on March 16, 2010 at 2:12 pm z

    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100316/NEWS0201/3160345/TN+bill+on+divorce+would+require+equal+custody+of+children

    Tennessee Bill on Divorce would require EQUAL custody of Children. Possible game-changing-legislation on hand.

    ——Concerning the advice: If enough women heeded it, it will make many future grandparents very happy. Too many women are winding up like Elizabeth Wurtzel, a former model: alone and past reproductive viability. His advice is actually very compassionate and loving, no matter how much women resent it. If anyone doesn’t believe that, consider this: Would you tell an average man with average intelligence that he should go on an try to fufill his dream of being a NASA rocket scientist when he can barely pass college algebra?
    Would you tell a very ordinary lawyer from an average law school that he will be able to head up a powerful D.C.-law firm?
    Would it have not been better to tell the first average guy that he might have a rewarding career as a mechanic and the second guy to be lawyer in a suburban town specializing in house-closings, wills, and business licences? They’d both have much happier lives, happier kids, not be stuck in debt until they died, etc.

    Consider this picture of Elizabeth Wurtzel now,

    Although that pic doesn’t show it, she’s getting fat, she has a flat ass. She has big wide legs. She’s getting that sterotypical peter-belly (but has no kids to show for it). Her looks are leaving her. 20 years ago (when she was 21), she could have had damn near any man. Now her possibilities are much much dimmer. Men immediately unconsciously sense she is past fertility, so sexually only think of her as pump-n-dump material who does not have to be long impressed. She can’t give them a family, but mere sex, and increasingly will have to do extreme things in the bedroom to keep their attentions there. Would she have been much better off settling with “Gregg” at 27? Im kinda inclined to think she’d have two kids of about age 12 and 13 by now if she did, anticipating being a grandma in the future herself, and happy to have made her own parents happy with grandchildren, her siblings happy with their nephews. Those dogs in that pic are her surrogate children.

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  79. on March 16, 2010 at 4:14 pm 11minutes

    I’d add:

    Keep the number of life time lovers in the same range you hope your mother is at.

    Nobody wants to marry a whore.

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  80. on March 16, 2010 at 4:16 pm abc

    @ skadi

    love grows out of friendship? it doesn’t turn me on to discuss business or play poker. the things that turn me on are not what I do- it’s what she does. what my girlfriend and I have in common isn’t our hobbies. she cooks, I eat. she cleans, I bask. she asks, I decide. does this sound like a friendship?

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  81. on March 16, 2010 at 4:17 pm jakethesnake

    @skadi

    re: guys hate girls that are smarter than them.

    men are smarter than women. as far as i could remember, i’ve never hated a woman.

    as for your sexual urges go. i dont put out until after date 5-6. if youre lucky it might be date 5.

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  82. on March 16, 2010 at 4:18 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    “Don’t get fat.”
    “Don’t be a single mom.”

    Fat girls give bjs.
    Moms get fucked.
    Neither gets married…except if they get pregnant…and then only to omegas.

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  83. on March 16, 2010 at 4:19 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    and, in 10 years, she’ll try to kill him and he’ll still want her in his life.

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  84. on March 16, 2010 at 4:24 pm maurice

    Aww. Our host has found some compassion. Has set aside the caustic prose, the angry if brilliant rants, the sustained tone of misogyny/misanthropy to respond in kind to a timid and sincere plea for advice from a fellow creature – a female one. The response, though in character, was definitely non-quippy. Real. And many of the regular male commenters (not all) replied in a similar manner.

    What’s going on here? White knighting? Alpha condescension? Selling secrets to the enemy? A cease-fire in the war between the sexes on these pages?

    Here’s my guess: Men, alpha and beta, are sick of female bullshit and will eagerly engage with any of them that reject a false and misandrist worldview and recognize reality. We don’t want a war; we’re playing defense for 40+ years. Waiting for Panmunjom.

    Thoughts?

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  85. on March 16, 2010 at 4:26 pm Largaux

    You want marriage? make marriage more attractive to men. right now it is the worst deal on the planet.
    No matter who you slice and dice it, marriage is a business deal that only a maniacal, rotten to the core Wall Street hustler could have ever imagined. So make this part more attractive, make him feel like he is getting his money’s worth: stay attractive, learn to cook, be affectionate and CARING!
    a four legged table is stable; a 3 legged table is less so but still; a 2 legged one tips over. Marriage, likewise, has 4 components:
    Love, care, lust and money. if one of those is missing, then it will fall apart unless one the the parties involved try to mend it.

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  86. on March 16, 2010 at 4:29 pm Skadi

    jakethesnake, remember you have to meet my VERY HIGH standards.
    You have to be
    CLEAN
    A shower in the last week. I don’t do the homeless. But most other guys are okay.
    DISCREET
    I don’t do zoos or public parks. Not the first time.
    YOUNG
    Most guys under 40 are okay.
    SUPER-HOT
    Well, just don’t be fat.

    I am so fussy. There are girls who are fussier than I am. They actually check out a guy’s personality. That’s just setting the standard way too high. How’re you supposed to have 2-3 one night stands a week with those expectations?

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  87. on March 16, 2010 at 4:31 pm dragnet

    “Here’s my guess: Men, alpha and beta, are sick of female bullshit and will eagerly engage with any of them that reject a false and misandrist worldview and recognize reality. We don’t want a war; we’re playing defense for 40+ years. Waiting for Panmunjom.”

    Nailed it.

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  88. on March 16, 2010 at 4:37 pm Mr. Dreadful

    You, sir, are a grade-A, 24-carat twat.

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  89. on March 16, 2010 at 4:40 pm MethuselahX

    Keep in mind 80% of the guys on this blog are not good marriage material.

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  90. on March 16, 2010 at 4:45 pm jakethesnake

    @skadi

    re: “jakethesnake, I have a sexual urge towards you. I bet you’re hot.”

    skadi, you seem like a nice girl. but remember i don’t put out until date 5-6…you still havent gotten to date #1.

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  91. on March 16, 2010 at 4:53 pm Lupo

    @11minutes: “Keep the number of life time lovers in the same range you hope your mother is at.

    Nobody wants to marry a whore.”

    This comment for the win. While the old saw about not wanting to shack up with a whore is solid and obvious folk wisdom, it can’t be stated too often that women who have sat on too many dicks have something wrong with their souls. Their ability to experience romantic love is about the same as a $20 whore. The more sausage they’ve inhaled, the more a “relationship” with them is like an S&M scene without a safe-word.

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  92. on March 16, 2010 at 5:04 pm Skadi

    Oh, so now I’m being censored and mocked by Americans themselves? 🙂

    That’s new.

    Then so be it – deal with your shit all by yourselves.

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  93. on March 16, 2010 at 5:09 pm al

    While the old saw about not wanting to shack up with a whore is solid and obvious folk wisdom, it can’t be stated too often that women who have sat on too many dicks have something wrong with their souls.

    I see no evidence of this anymore, at least not in NYC. Men seem to mock women who don’t put out quickly, haven’t wracked up high numbers, or who are faithful. They seem to impute some version of frigid or repressed to them.

    because, you know, sex is just sex and we’re all sexual beings who should express it freely so that we can all be happy because everyone is a lying liar anyways, and she’s just human so if she doesn’t sleep around she doesn’t really like sex. etc.

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  94. on March 16, 2010 at 5:19 pm Skadi

    You are cursed, traitor.
    DIE.

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  95. on March 16, 2010 at 5:23 pm Backdoor Man

    @Lupo

    “The more sausage they’ve inhaled, the more a “relationship” with them is like an S&M scene without a safe-word.”

    This might be the funniest line I’ve ever seen on this blog.

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  96. on March 16, 2010 at 5:42 pm 11minutes

    @al Men seem to mock women who don’t put out quickly, haven’t wracked up high numbers, or who are faithful.

    This is what you do if you want to fuck them. For a night. Or a while. Works like a charm.

    When it comes to commitment – entirely different story.

    Show me the man who proudly brags to his pals that his fiance has more notches on her belt them himself.

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  97. on March 16, 2010 at 5:54 pm Chi-town

    @al

    “I see no evidence of this anymore, at least not in NYC. Men seem to mock women who don’t put out quickly, haven’t wracked up high numbers, or who are faithful. They seem to impute some version of frigid or repressed to them.”

    That is certainly the result of the crossing of the Rubicon of the social dynamic. NYC is a tough female dating market and have destroyed themselves in a sexual price war. Men now only see short term sex value. Women who are looking for an LTR and who fall for it, are just like men who flunk female shit tests. In that environment men don’t matter, only the man who is not in that particular disposition. Men who only like women who rack up the numbers have already decided no woman is worth the trouble. Its pointless to impress them. Giving in will not defuse the source of the mockery. That sentiment is obviously on the rise. If a woman is looking for LTRs she had best ignore that pressure. Sleeping with them will not help.

    Men cannot commit, or give resources to women if they speculate lack of fidelity. He runs too high a risk of raising coo coos while loosing out on the pump and dump market. The instinctual drive is to pump and dump to turn lemons into lemonade. A poor risk for LTR becomes an opportunity to have some other sucker raise it like a cuckold or the state. Of course that is why women in the Western world are running at mass discount.

    I am sure this has been said before.

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  98. on March 16, 2010 at 6:06 pm Chi-town

    I should also add that promiscuous women are more sensually satisfying if they otherwise are repulsive in serious relationships. Since a man is essentially in a sperm war , he is going to need explosive orgasmic impact. Its the only answer the brainless sexual organ has to get into the game. It can only answer threats with pleasure like a hammer to a nail. That is why porn sells the “dirty whore”. Its to conjure up a sexually arousing sperm war mentality.

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  99. on March 16, 2010 at 6:07 pm novaseeker

    often time, love grows out of a friendship, esp., in a younger age.

    Lol.

    As we men know, women have two ladders — the friend ladder and the fuck ladder. A man who is on the friend ladder almost never moves to the fuck ladder. You’re advising her against reality — that stuff just doesn’t happen much. Either she’s into him to some degree, or he’s on the LJBF ladder.

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  100. on March 16, 2010 at 4:11 pm BinNYC

    Good post. Props to El Chief and Comment_Whatever as well…

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  101. on March 16, 2010 at 6:11 pm dana

    the most important insight here is to admire a man and compliment him for MASCULINE behavior. most of the time i see women say a nice thing to a man its for behaving like an honorary woman and its patronizing, like saying “good boy ” to a dog. men need admiration like plants need water.

    also SMILES–when did women forget how to smile? a man who knows he will come home to a smile every day will be alot happier than a man coming home with dread knowing he will be put through SOME ringer–no matter what

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  102. on March 16, 2010 at 6:25 pm Lupo

    @al: “I see no evidence of this anymore, at least not in NYC. Men seem to mock women who don’t put out quickly, haven’t wracked up high numbers, or who are faithful. They seem to impute some version of frigid or repressed to them.”

    Yeah, and NYC probably has the highest divorce rates in the country. QED. I’m not interested in the Mark Morford school of reality; those people are fucking deluded. I’m interested in taking the detritus of history and using what works.

    @backdoorman: I’m laughing on the outside, but them kinds of jokes come from hard experience.

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  103. on March 16, 2010 at 6:33 pm Max from Australia

    @Lupo

    Genius and hilarious comment.

    The only other thing I can add is never pressure a guy into buying you anything.

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  104. on March 16, 2010 at 6:34 pm The David

    From the girl’s email…
    ” I just recently discovered your blog, and while your theory of women is hardly flattering, my own experience has proved it to be 99.9% true.”

    (This is the most important line from the email. Its really only about 80% but she is young, honest and will learn.)

    My advice to the girl….

    I can’t really give you any great advice because what you are asking is how to be feminine in an unfeminine culture. The best thing I can think of would be to go watch the movies from the Golden Age of Hollywood and observe the interaction of males and females. This is the best examples of male/masculinity and female/femininity behavior available. Everything else since has been corrupted by feminism (DC lawyer chick) or religion (dishrag religious nutcase).

    From a guy’s perspective, I would say learn to commit to your man. By that I mean find a good guy you trust and has good character and let him lead in the relationship, i.e. commit to his lead. The analogy I like is pilot/copilot or driver/navigator. No driver needs someone haranging him from the passenger seat, grabbing the steering wheel or nagging him to do this or do that. Your job is to help get *both* of you to the destination (such as a family) not to lead. Enjoy the ride. And most important, if you don’t like how your bf or husband leads then get out (and don’t take his money on the way). If you are unhappy with your man’s leadership don’t try to take over and lead, or nag him into leading better, it won’t work. Find someone you can follow and you will be happy.

    There are symbols to this in a relationship — insist that he drive when you are out together, the TV remote is his, he leads on the dance floor, he picks the restaurant for dinner (or makes the *first* suggestion), etc. These are just a few examples that could be endlessly expanded but they subtly and subconsciously imply you are on his team and he is incharge, reinforcing his masculinity. Never disparage, complain or passive-aggressively denounce your man in public in front of friends. (Oh, I was just teasing honey!). This is the kiss of death to any relationship. Watch any modern sitcom to learn how to destroy your marriage.

    The feminists will disparage my view as “placating” the “male ego” and other pejoratives, or say I am telling you to be a passive dishrag. Well, let them have cats, I say. These woman want to lead (emmasculate their man) then complain there are no men. This complaint is the biggest admission that feminism is wrong, not just for men but for women too.

    One of the biggest pretty lies that must die is that you can “Have it all”. This is feminist non-sense. If you want a family you need to do it when you are young around age 25 (with a husband around 30). Someone has to raise those kids and it is not your husband. Also its your job to make his house a home, a place of refuge, relaxation, his domain and wonderful place he can’t wait to return too. (Of course, he has to deserve this!). If you don’t he’ll stay at work late or go to the bar. Having a family means no career for you, job yes, career no. Sorry but life entails choices. Now, after the kids are grown then you can restart your career at 40 or whatever. I recommend this since you can’t make your adult children or your husband the focus of you life. Find work you like and relax with your husband and enjoy your achievements together, fading into the sunset.

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  105. on March 16, 2010 at 6:38 pm MarkD

    Ignore Ostro Nova . If you are looking for a Westerner, Asia is the last place you want to be. They aren’t all into Asian women, just 99% of them. Your odds decrease exponentially.

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  106. on March 16, 2010 at 4:53 pm HeMan3

    I think the advice is good. Coy, demure girls who look at their feet and blush when I approach, always get me going. I’m get hard just thinking about it.

    Other than that, perhaps things are different, but in my world, ‘hotness’ is not a sure fire ticket to marriage. There are a few things that girls need to prove themselves marriage, rather than pump and dump, material. Appropriate comportment in social situations is one. Connections (incl. family connections) help, as does money. And if a girl really wants marriage, it helps if she can show that she really is motherhood material.

    Dressing like a slut and going to bars to drink so much that she falls off a bar stool, is not something that makes a guy think: “I see before me the mother of my children”.

    Finding a husband is also a numbers game. By this I mean meeting enough of the right type of man that one will be ‘The One’. This guy is unlikely to be lining up tequila shots in bars. I would therefore advise a girl to avoid bars, but rather to engage in activities which involve a certain amount of sobriety and decorum.

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  107. on March 16, 2010 at 5:06 pm Thor

    It is not just about marrying any man. You are planning to spend a LIFETIME, aren’t you?

    Go where the men are, the men YOU could live with.
    Go to a house of worship – but ONLY if you are a believer
    yourself.

    Join a political group – whatever brand you can stomach.

    Join supporters of whatever – that you agree with.

    If you value smarts, show you are smart. Don’t overdo
    it by being aggressive, just make points, showing
    your upstairs wares. (Hint: Q&A sessions with some
    local speaker are gold, ask questions that show you
    off in good light – but be polite and non-aggressive.
    The “podium effect” works better for men but can
    word for women too – and addressing the podium
    comes close. This identifies you to a bunch of people
    at the same time.)

    Dress fashionably, but don’t overdo it. Preferably, the
    designers’ names should not be visible. (You can even,
    in some cases, remove them.) This shows you have class
    but you are not a status whore.

    It is OK to show you are well off (and that will allay
    some men’s fears that you are a gold-digger and/or
    will take them to the cleaners in a divorce). But be
    subtle about it!

    Makeup: Except for maybe lipstick, it should be
    almost invisible. This takes time and effort.
    Nail polish – preferably clear, red (various shades,
    men don’t know the difference) if you must.
    NEVER any other color.

    You will be catnip to all the greater Betas. And yes,
    avoid super-alphas, they will pump and dump,
    and leave you worse off.

    All of the original advice is gold, BTW.

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  108. on March 16, 2010 at 7:28 pm blacksquirrel

    Get this book: Tim Gunn: A Guide to Quality, Taste and Style. This needs to be your fashion bible. Ignore the styles your friends highly value and covet. American women have the worst taste in clothing.

    Make-up is fine. There are plenty of lines that can help bring out the better version of yourself without being outright deceitful and over the top. Do some research.

    Don’t watch reruns of Sex and the City. In fact, cultivate a healthy disdain for that show. There are guys who will totally dig that.

    Do not carry a purse festooned with logos. These bags have become a skank marker. Get a high quality leather bag instead–designer is fine, just get one that seems less obvious.

    In general, make sure your shit is in order. If you have unresolved issues, get help and work on them (cognitive behavioral therapy is great). You can really cash-in if you are mentally stable, as it is a rare thing among women.

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  109. on March 16, 2010 at 7:43 pm Laura

    If you meet someone you like and he introduces you to his family, go out of your way to be nice, especially to his mother and sisters. It is your job to win them over. Don’t come on too strong at first, but do things like bring a hostess gift to a party, help out in the kitchen, play with nieces and nephews. If his family likes you that is a big plus for you.

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  110. on March 16, 2010 at 5:56 pm Doug1

    Maurice–

    Well said.

    Though I think stating straight up that he is misogynistic is overstating the case. Some of his posts have been yes. He certainly always is from a thoroughly feminist indoctrinated perspective, in that he’s thoroughly anti feminist. Or he’s anti feminism from the standpoint of society, families and men in general, though not in many respects from his own player straight up hedonist one. (Feminist laws are another matter.) Unusually he thinks and writes on both levels, though often only or largely one or the other in particular posts. He would characterize himself I think as 1) simply seeking and explaining the truth about what most attracts each gender; and 2) shocking gen Y guys who were brought up thoroughly feminist indoctrinated to wipe the fog from their eyes.

    What he’s really doing is countering female misandry and advising individual men on ways to take back masculinity, leadership and power, mostly in individual dealings with women. This often does involve thoroughly knocking them off their false chivalric and feminist pedestals, which of course does seem like unvarnished misogyny to feminists.

    There has often been implicit advice to women seeking to make good permanent LTR or wife material in his posts. This usually takes the form of his counseling men on what to avoid there – sluts and the feminist indoctrinated.

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  111. on March 16, 2010 at 7:57 pm Dalrock

    @Skadi
    Dal, women have sexual urges too, regardless of what you wanna call that. Acting like a whore? At least I choose my sex partners very carefully (super hot, young, clean and in discreet surroundings)

    My comment wasn’t referring to your lifestyle choice. Your advice to have casual sex with PUAs/Cads/Players and practice gold digging is exactly the opposite of what she should do if she wants to attract a good husband.

    If it were a guy looking for a good wife I suspect you would advise that he drop out of school, get a dead end job, live with his folks, and spend his spare time honing his world of warcraft skills.

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  112. on March 16, 2010 at 8:10 pm james

    I’m a fan of the blog, but is the find someone young & don’t sleep about really the best advice for a woman looking to have a nice life? Yeah, it’s not good news for men but I can’t see why women shouldn’t enjoy themselves and leverage connections for a for partner when they’re older. Carla Bruni’s really is a great example of a woman who’s played things really well. She seems to have had a great time being single for as long as possible and then used her social circle to find someone to marry at 40, once the clock’s started ticking and when she can pick a winner.

    I just think a lot of the advice is what men would want a woman to do, not what a woman would want to do.

    [editor: exceptionally beautiful women can play the multiple male resource game. most women cannot. and even among the exceptionally beautiful like carla bruni, there will be a day of judgement. hers seems to have arrived right on cue. plastic surgeons in france rejoice.]

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  113. on March 16, 2010 at 8:11 pm Rum

    For anyone still looking for a life-path that resembles what earlier generations in the anglosphere aspired to remember this: family matters. If you come from a sane, intact family and you meet a guy/girl with a similarly decent background by all means give them a chance. At least they know what it looks like when a family is functioning.
    One thing to remember if you are thinking of kids is that when two reasonably stable families-of-origin “get married” via their marrying offspring you will be giving your resulting kids a huge leg-up. They will have at least twice as many cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. as a single parent/test-tube sprog.
    That is twice as many people in the world who will always let them in, who will give a shit what happens to them, will help them along in their careers, and will really care that they lived and died.

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  114. on March 16, 2010 at 8:18 pm Rum

    James
    So, your advice to young women is really quite simple. Just make sure to be born model-beautiful into a family of wealthy Old World aristocrats. Then, the rest should be easy.
    No shit.

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  115. on March 16, 2010 at 8:18 pm Dalrock

    @James

    I can’t see why women shouldn’t enjoy themselves and leverage connections for a for partner when they’re older.

    In the interest of full disclosure, are you by any chance affiliated with a cat food company?

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  116. on March 16, 2010 at 8:32 pm lover of women

    The David – very nice ..

    alot of quality posts here

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  117. on March 16, 2010 at 8:38 pm Erasmus

    @ Girl who wrote the letter

    As a lawyer I know you like to argue. Don’t argue. Use your intelligence. Women like men who are domineering. Men like women who look up to them. Men are made to swiftly and deftly destroy opponents. Don’t become an opponent.
    …
    From some of the lawyer girls I’ve known they’ve had to fight against themselves to not have a confrontational conversation. Don’t let that be a habit for you.

    Yes, exactly right! I have dated DC lawyer chicks, and the argumentative attitude is a huge turn-off. It doesn’t intimidate me, I like to argue just fine, but I don’t need that shit in a relationship with a woman. Not sure it is actually possible for a lawyer not to be confrontational, but remember to leave the lawyer ‘tude at the office and don’t bring it home with you if you can. Also try not to convey that “my job is more important than you”. It might actually be true that your job is more important to you than him – in fact it probably will be true – but do your best to convey that he is the most important thing in your life.

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  118. on March 16, 2010 at 8:53 pm Vincent Ignatius

    You are a philanthropist.

    Maybe game advice from real men but for women is an untapped market…

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  119. on March 16, 2010 at 7:02 pm Silver Fox

    You disappoint.

    3 Golden rules for babe game

    1 – Grow Hair long
    2 – Dye that Hair Blond
    3 – Get a boob job

    This is the formula for 90% of Porn; a billion $ industry that uses actuaries to test data.

    99% of women who tastefully do above will garner above average attention.

    Blondes are anywhere from 10-25% population, and signal sexual succees for vast majority of males.

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  120. on March 16, 2010 at 9:02 pm AnonyMouse

    http://www.smithtimeline.com/

    Behold! An average looking woman who turns into a MAN!

    It’s a kind of magic.

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  121. on March 16, 2010 at 9:07 pm Thor

    A few points of information:

    Somewhere in the blogstream above, there was talk of pre-nups and child custody. Now, pre-nups may be a fine idea in many cases (and woman willing to enter into one may have an easier time getting married – maybe), but YOU CANNOT PUT
    CHILD CUSTODY OR CHILD SUPPORT IN A PRE-NUP.
    Or, in any case, it is null and void in court. As a budding
    lawyer, our damsel in distress probably knows that.
    AFAIK, this is true anywhere in the US.

    Also note that alimoni IS subject to pre-nup in 49 states,
    but NOT in California. (Dunno about DC.)

    Of course, our damsel could offer putting things in
    the pre-nup, knowing full well what is enforcible
    and what is not, giving the future husband a false
    sense of security. (But if he is nearly as smart as
    you would like, he will run it past HIS lawyer.)

    On another topic: It was suggested above that being
    a lawyer is a particularly slimy profession. This is often
    true, but bear in mind that “slimy” lies in the eye of
    the beholder. I don’t know what our damsel considers
    ethical, but consider some contrarian careers, such as

    o Working for MEN in family court. (This might be a fear
    reducer for prospective husbands.)
    o Working to fight off ridiculous lawsuits. (Could backfire,
    depending on the man – if he is a Naderite, it won’t
    work, but would you want to marry one in any case?
    You decide!)
    o Working to fight OFF ridiculous regulations. http://www.ij.org
    for example.
    o Defending gun righs (see the points above).
    This will resonate with certain types of men.
    o In general, working for sanity, not insanity.
    (Yes, some lies in the eye of the beholder, again).

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  122. on March 16, 2010 at 9:12 pm james

    “So, your advice to young women is really quite simple. Just make sure to be born model-beautiful into a family of wealthy Old World aristocrats. Then, the rest should be easy.”

    No – not all women can match Bruni, just I can’t match Clooney. But that’s like saying game doesn’t work unless you’ve Clooney’s charisma and status, and are swimming in vegas cocktail waitresses. You can still up your odds and have a mini-version of the dream.

    She should enjoy herself (by this I do mean lots of sleeping about and partying) for the next 5-7 years – about up until she feels her looks are going to drop a couple of points over the next two years. Then she should use the social circle and connections she’s built up to meet some hardworking successful guy, who doesn’t have a social life that means he gets to meet a huge amount of women, he’ll think his lucks in, and she can bag him and go for the picket fence.

    “In the interest of full disclosure, are you by any chance affiliated with a cat food company?”

    Ha, ha. I think the problem for women is IDing guys who have a smaller range of options in women than would naturally go with their status (so they can get more for their market value), and knowing when to cash in before they hit the wall (so their market value doesn’t fall on them). That’s where they mess up. As long as their looks are holding and they’re expanding their targets among successful professionals who aren’t that hot at the traditional dating scene, I can’t see why they should look to marry ASAP.

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  123. on March 16, 2010 at 9:26 pm Rum

    Sure, James. If a 40 year old lady has perfect pitch and impeccable timing and Karmically Blessed Luck she just might well pull off the move you describe…
    As the last few moments of her hottness begin to fade she will suddenly meet a suitably naive yet very wealthy guy who will cheerfully throw his future at her feet.
    Excuse me. I just threw up. There is a mess. It will get cleaned up.

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  124. on March 16, 2010 at 9:27 pm Rum

    God hates randomness.

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  125. on March 16, 2010 at 9:31 pm gig

    what amazes the most in this post is how common sense became the fringe wrt the sexual market

    was there any other moment in history when such things needed to be said?

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  126. on March 16, 2010 at 9:33 pm anoukange

    Thursday said:

    “1. Beware of any man that comes from a broken home.”

    –No shit. Ask about the family background right away.

    There’s a reason thousands upon thousands of psychologically based essays, articles and texts warn against “damaged goods” types that began their cycle in their childhood. It is almost impossible to undo the scars, especially since many guys are not very self-reflective.

    Broken home= low quality/damaged and countless issues regarding their own self-esteem, ability to have healthy relationships, and ability to give and receive love. This applies to both men and women.

    Also look for boys who were raised by stay at home moms and had a strong father presence in their life while growing up. This will help to weed out the ones that sought out attention and male bonding from all of the wrong sources.

    Any guy who has not maintained a relationship for at least two years after he is 25 is something to worry about. He is lacking key real life skills. Bonus points if he has lived with a girl for several years. Ex-girlfriends are not a threat, having no long term exes is.

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  127. on March 16, 2010 at 9:45 pm anoukange

    Lupo said:

    “women who have sat on too many dicks have something wrong with their souls.”

    –yep. And I give all women a fair shake because I’m not a dude. Yet every single time I get to the bottom of their story, even if they claim to be doing “exactly what they want to be doing on their terms”, they are damaged. End of story. They are one of four things: a.) deep down insecure (have low value for themselves) b.) average in looks and/or personality c.) were played with inappropriately in younger years when they could not process what was happening to them (or) d.) all of the above

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  128. on March 16, 2010 at 10:02 pm lover of women

    1) don’t impress him in bed ..till the 4th or 5th time and then only slowly like you are learning then confide in him that he is bringing something out in you ..you didnt know was there

    2) dont talk about your sexual past extensively or even old flames ..

    3) if you live together and want it to last ..get a two bedroom ..let him have one for his office and his own space preferably one with a bathroom – for his private use- keep the room and the bathroom clean ..but dont decorate or overly re-arrange it..let him have it the way he likes it…

    4) understand that once you make this choice..this commitment there was NO BETTER commitment or choice ..that is killer to start the “I’m missing out on something crap..” anytime in the relationship it comes up ..stomp on it like a poisonios snake… your not missing anything…right here right now is the best its gonna get –

    5) make friends with the person in the mirror – learn to like yourself completely ..work at improving yourself ..not him or the relationship – no matter how it turns out ..you’ll be better off ..and so will he ..plus you give the relationship space to grow ..by growing yourself

    6) if you want to taste femininity …and understand why its necessary for a healthy society – go live in Brasil for a couple months …femininity in the best sense rules there – relationship wise ..the women love being women..and it keeps everybody happier and healthier..

    good luck

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  129. on March 16, 2010 at 10:23 pm chi-town

    The only problem with perfect timing at 40 is that they are someone else’s old pair of jeans. I doubt that most men could ditch their 5-10 year younger wives who have been loyal their whole lives very easily.

    One of the oft missed points about human monogamy is that humans do have one trait that differs from other animals, even “monogamous” ones. It takes years to raise offspring and a spread of 3 children my make this a 25 year cycle. Most human males can maybe pull off 2 of them if he is fully invested. If he is not, then he is a cad and leaching off someone else. That is the biological underpinning that does exist and would benefit from social support. Stable monogamy in humans is linked to the helpless nature of our offspring. Those drives do exist in the confluence of human drives. Perhaps its called “love”.

    The first problem is co-ed education. What our system does now is bias towards same age paring until college where soon after male female age spreads take a natural course.

    We certainly could delay blow jobs in the hallway and keep men and women focused away from it until nearly their 20s. This would also tend to allow the natural order of older male and younger female couplings which would buffer the sexual peak gap and female need to respect and for the man to be respected.

    Yet with feminism, all of that is moot and the “other” male nature seems to be the answer.

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  130. on March 16, 2010 at 10:26 pm Doug1

    James–

    Alimony restrictions or eliminations in prenups in California are still enforced except in special circumstances. A court ruled that alimony elimination wouldn’t be enforced when a couple filed for divorce and then during it’s pendency the woman was diagnosed with serious cancer. She could no longer work. However where the courts there will go with this precedent remains to be seen. I’m not a California or practicing attorney (though I am one). Not family law though or anything close. I have done some looking into law relating to prenups and divorce generally though. Without a prenup the California rule (which I believe is subject to some judge discretion) is that it’s to be paid for half the length of the marriage (ending at time of filing for divorce), but for marriages of ten years or more duration, for the woman’s life (unless she remarries). NJ had a similar rule except that a few years ago a judge rule that “these days 7 years is long enough to be considered a ‘long marriage’ []!

    Connecticut will only enforce “reasonable” restrictions on alimony. That probably means at a minimum that in no event may a woman be left destitute but it could well mean that she must be able to live at or close to the style to which she had become accustomed. Family court’s discretion. Good luck. Massachusetts provides lifetime alimony in the vast majority of divorces no matter what. There’s legislation in the works or was to reform that. I have no details. Not sure about the effect of prenups on this. New York enforces prenups broadly except on child support and custody matters, as everywhere. However that’s only the case when one has totally and cleanly jumped though a host of hoops in creating one that will stand up. (There’ve been fierce legal assaults on them as you can imagine for NY.)

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  131. on March 16, 2010 at 10:26 pm lover of women

    lovelysexybeauty – the last 40 years have destroyed the tried and true advice that has worked for 2000 years

    the downward cultural pull of 150,000 hours of TV, commercials and advertising by the time a kid is 25 ..which was bad enough

    throw in the quality of that in the last 15 years has really de-humanized the way we relate – not to mention the feminist movement which is been well covered here

    the culture has degenerated ..almost..beyond repair imo

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  132. on March 16, 2010 at 10:31 pm Rum

    LuylySexy Buty
    Give me a good reason to not fuck your gender 2 at a time…

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  133. on March 16, 2010 at 10:46 pm Tarl

    She should enjoy herself (by this I do mean lots of sleeping about and partying) for the next 5-7 years – about up until she feels her looks are going to drop a couple of points over the next two years. Then she should use the social circle and connections she’s built up to meet some hardworking successful guy,

    This is a perfect plan – if you want to wind up childless, alone, and holding the cat.

    Ladies, if you think you’re going to ride the cock carousel until you’re about to hit the wall, and then find a beta provider, think again. Why would that hardworking successful guy want an aging, well-used skank?

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  134. on March 16, 2010 at 11:12 pm Robert in Arabia

    I suggest that the young lady search out a true alpha.
    My brother-in-law is 89. He acquired several purple hearts, the bronze star, and the silver star in the Second War to Kill White People. Successful businessman. Married for 63 years, nine children, all of whom are college graduates, three dozen grand-children.
    He still makes women tingle although he was a virgin at his marriage and has never strayed.
    Find a man who has a father like him whom he respects.
    Sadly, most American men, like myself, do not measure up.

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  135. on March 16, 2010 at 11:25 pm MethuselahX

    Re: AnonyMouse

    http://www.smithtimeline.com/
    Behold! An average looking woman who turns into a MAN!
    It’s a kind of magic.
    ————————–

    Haha. The husband also turns into a shadow of his former self. Aging kills 100,000 humans per day, more than 3rd world poverty or war.

    People should be fans of Aubrey de Grey’s anti-aging work or STFU about aging. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey

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  136. on March 16, 2010 at 9:48 pm RMM

    James:

    “and knowing when to cash in before they hit the wall”

    The point is, when you’re a normal woman (i.e., not freaking Carla Bruni), the years you have before hitting the wall ARE your asset, that’s one of the good things you can offer the man – hence why “youth” is considered an asset, unless you have the exceptional quality (beauty included) of Carla to offset its loss.

    In other words, for the average woman he’s answering to, the moment to cash in is precisely “as soon as possible.”

    Back to the original article:

    1. Don’t get fat.

    This cannot be emphasized enough. Nothing – not a single thing! – discussed all over this post will matter one iota if you let yourself go and get fat. Learn to cook, that’ll give you both a skill you can use to get a man, and will help you stay in shape: Cook yourself, avoid processed crap, live happy and healthy.

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  137. on March 16, 2010 at 9:49 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Ladies, listen… I did, and got the coveted proposed in less than a year (yayayayayaya!!! 🙂 )… from someone in my heart of hears is alllll Alpha (others would probably call him retired Alpha or low Alpha/high Beta whatever, who cares). Which is very scary of course, and I’ve def. had my doubts hearing all the emphasis on 15 year age gaps, guys with options would never settle down, etc.

    OK that was a little hyperbolic… but reading here and seeing that that basically goes along with most of the advice to women of the past 2000 years, across cultures, including biology, including statistics… it helps a LOT.

    So what’s being said here, in the comments, isn’t anything new. It’s not a part of mainstream perhaps, but it’s still there… even in books written by men like “He’s Just Not that INto You” and even the “Millionaire Matchmaker.” The matchmaker doesn’t push average looking girls on the men, does she? And she doesn’t care about the girls careers that much either…

    So the greater issue? *Women aren’t following the tried and true advice of the past 2000 years.*

    Today is not a different age where different rules apply. Humans are still humans… the situations may be different somewhat but the core interactions are the same.

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  138. on March 17, 2010 at 12:01 am Tupac Chopra

    R, for the love of god, talk to wordpress about this bogus auto-moderation shit.

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  139. on March 16, 2010 at 10:07 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Wow sorry for all the typos… oops :-p

    Also…he was so right about more beta-ish behavior lessening the tingle. I feel bad saying this, but everything is fine now so I’ll share it…

    *TMI alert, men please avert your eyes if you don’t like to hear about female functions* With my Guy, I had to start wearing pantiliners. Which get soaked through anyway 😉 Sometimes I’ll have to change it if we’re out… so baddd and embarassing. But if you know about my principles about sexytime and marriage… well…
    *TMI alert over, basically was saying I like my hubby-to-be a lot physically as well as the other ways*

    The only time my strong jump-his-bones attraction to my Guy lessened? When I heard the story about how he knew I was the One. The version where he doesn’t make a joke out of it. Like the serious story.

    Very touching, and I’m glad I heard it. But to hear him share his feelings with emotion in his eyes was so out of character for a guy who basically jokes all the time. And isn’t very mushy/mopey, except maybe for like, 10 seconds once a month. He treats me like a kid basically..

    So the story about how he knew he’d never meet anyone like me… and basically pedastalizing how its amazing that I have morals and so much inner blablah … it’s unheard of blahblah… it was weird.

    Normally he might add on at the end of a compliment about me, “And you just don’t find girls with a booty like that” *@$$ smack*

    But then… he started telling me about how a few of his friends who are anti-marriage, the bigtime players of his friends circle, discouraged him from proposing… and how he saw their points. And how his exgirlfriend was after him and pulling all sorts of desperation tricks once she heard rumors he was gonna propose. Uh oh, I thought.

    And then he went away for a weekend without calling. And was almost like, more aloof? And then a few instances of haterism by girls are *still after him* despite the competition obviously being over now, um I won?? I was like whoa… yikes, am I in over my head?

    And… the tingles were back. 🙂

    Strange strange stuff… but so expected per what I’ve read here.

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  140. on March 17, 2010 at 12:09 am Tupac Chopra

    As an olive branch extended to Cannon, I offer this ditty by DJ Z-Trip’s for “Small Soldiers” — a mixture of Rush’s “Tom Sawyer” mashed up with Cannon’s infernal jigaboo’s stylings. Yeah, I know it aint no Wale, but it’s the best I could find on short notice:

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  141. on March 16, 2010 at 10:49 pm The David

    @lover of women

    I don’t know about cultural collapse but feminism is done. This is what I meant when I wrote above;

    “(This is the most important line from the email. Its really only about 80% but she is young, honest and will learn.)”

    This girl has been exposed to nothing but feminism since birth then she stumbles onto this site and its all undone in a couple of hours. This gives me hope. (She should read the archives to continue her reeducation).

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  142. on March 17, 2010 at 1:23 am Another Alpha

    Don’t be afraid to settle down with the first guy you get serious with. After that you will have lost your country charm.

    Kino. For girls, the best is when you are sitting next to him and you push your knee with reasonable pressure into his leg.

    In the end it’s ego-stroking that will win your man over. If you’re a 6, snag a 5 but make him think he is an 8.

    AA

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  143. on March 17, 2010 at 1:48 am omarion

    If your parents/family members are manipulative, self-righteous ignorant asswipes than for the love of god either distance yourself from them or stand up for yourself around them. No man wants to deal with a hoard of awful future in-laws who treat his wife (or him) like yesterday’s garbage. For a time I was in an LTR with this chick whose parents simply had the most malignant and erratic personalities around (her mother may have been bipolar to boot; that was always a “hush hush” subject). Unbelievably, however, she rarely stood up to them and instead expected me to happily accompany her on family outings in which her parents did the most outrageously insulting shit to her; I, of course, was not supposed to stand up for her and just act as if all was well.

    Needless to say, I got the hell out of that relationship in a hurry. Understand that if a guy sees that your parents/family are obnoxious/manipulative/mentally ill/disrespectful for no good reason/etc, that will be seen as a major warning sign. It implies (a) that the guy in question would be subjecting himself to a lifetime of bullshit from these people if he marries the daughter and (b) the wife, and potential future children, may eventually wind up with mental health issues themselves. None of this is attractive regardless of how supposedly “tight-knit” your family is.

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  144. on March 17, 2010 at 1:51 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    anoukange:

    There’s a reason thousands upon thousands of psychologically based essays, articles and texts warn against “damaged goods” types that began their cycle in their childhood. It is almost impossible to undo the scars, especially since many guys are not very self-reflective.

    (emphasis mine)

    You have a valid point, inasmuch as coming from a broken home is an albatross around the necks of both men and women.

    However, the boldface text is so horribly, laughably, ridiculously wrong that it’s hard to read it as anything other than a parody of feminist claims.

    I’ve known a decent number of people who’ve bootstrapped their way up from broken childhood homes to forming intact families as adults.
    Of the ones who overcame their backgrounds through sheer introspection, rational analysis, and strength of will, ALL of them, every single last one, to a man, were male.
    The women all needed an outside force of some type. Usually Jesus, sometimes the long arm of the law, sometimes the equally long arm of some other thing-that-grabs-people-at-rock-bottom.

    You’ll notice the same pattern among people who have accomplished other things through sheer willpower, such as bodybuilders and figure/fitness competitors (who must live every minute of their in-season lives according to rigorous schedules, diets, and lifestyle restrictions).
    Any high achiever in one of these activities who isn’t religious, and didn’t come from a family of fitness freaks, will almost ALWAYS be male. The female competitors, if they didn’t come from a family in which fitness was the very air they breathed, are just about all Jesus freaks. I.e., they’re still not self-directed; they’re invariably driven, and controlled, by (at least what they perceive to be) outside forces.

    Men are much, much, much better at rational analysis — and therefore introspection — than are women.
    Men are also much, much, much better at effecting drastic metamorphoses of their very personae than are women. (This is the reason why men, especially betas,** generally adapt to their environments, while women try to adapt their environments to them — a nice concise explanation for the increasingly snug straitjacket of feminist garbage regulations in the workplace).

    Not even close.

    —

    **This affords a nice definition of alpha vs. beta, by the way:
    A beta adapts his desires to his environment; an alpha adapts his environment to his desires.

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  145. on March 17, 2010 at 1:57 am ExtraMedium

    Beta females should just work on developing a nice social circle, learn how to cook, and then agree to go out with any guy from their social circle who has the balls to ask them out.

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  146. on March 16, 2010 at 11:59 pm Tupac Chopra

    Chi-town:

    Here is another look at hormones. Same face but different hormones.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4396230.stm

    Fascinating article. It certainly jibes with my experience. I often wondered why the hottest (and most sexual) women in my life often suffered with late stage acne. Apparently it’s because of their high levels of estrogen and need to get impregnated. This is to be contrasted with the drier, witchy-chinned and strong-jawed tranny looking women whom DA loves, you know, the ones who piston fuck like men.

    I wonder where POF falls along this spectrum. Care to enlighten us, POF? You might have a new fan.

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  147. on March 17, 2010 at 12:05 am OhioStater

    This is an article about Carla Bruni’s declining looks; great hat tip CH.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1258233/Has-Carla-Bruni-little-help-keeping-appearances.html

    I asked why supermodels had a hard time settling down into stable family units and a comment to this blog said the drop from 10 to 9, or 9 to 7, is more troubling than the drop from 8 to 6.

    The psychology of gain and loss is you need 5 gains to offset 1 loss; if you invest in a top model, you have more to lose.

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  148. on March 17, 2010 at 2:15 am Hungry Hungry Hippos

    “I’m not going to tell you to suck it up and date men who don’t turn you on. That would be like me telling a man to get past a fat chick’s face and do her in the folds for the good of society.”

    Seriously. So often around the blogs whenever a woman asks for advice men always tell her “date a beta and ignore the gina tingles” or something to that effect. Not happening, just really dumb advice in general.

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  149. on March 17, 2010 at 12:41 am beta_disciple

    Erm. I think, as an alpha it should be your heaven-sent duty *never* to pollute the pussy pool with women who know about male game and how to counter it. Pussy talks.

    “I just had an argument with a girl I know. She was saying how it’s unfair that if a guy fucks a different girl every week, he’s a legend, but if a girl fucks just two guys in a year, she’s a slut. So in response I told her that if a key opens lots of locks, then it’s a master key. But if a lock is opened by lots of keys, then it’s a shitty lock. That shut her up.”

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  150. on March 17, 2010 at 2:45 am Doug1

    Tupac–

    I wonder why it is that I’ve never ever had a post delayed here due to moderation. I have had messages to that effect on occasion added to my comment, but they never have any effect. I post links fairly often. In the past I’ve posted here very frequently sometimes. Still, never ever.

    Wonder why. My only theory is something along the lines of my ratio of comments here without links or anything else that might be deemed spam, to those with them, has historically been high. But I don’t kow.

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  151. on March 17, 2010 at 1:59 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ beta_disciple:

    Erm. I think, as an alpha it should be your heaven-sent duty *never* to pollute the pussy pool with women who know about male game and how to counter it. Pussy talks.

    Congratulations; you just proved your nickname.

    Imagine telling a bunch of women exactly why sunsets appear the way they do.
    Many of them, let’s say half, simply won’t have the mental bandwidth to comprehend.
    Most of the remainder, let’s say 40%, will sort of get it.
    The last 10% will understand more or less completely.

    Exactly 0% of them will find sunsets any less attractive as a result.

    Replace “sunsets” with “alphas”.

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  152. on March 17, 2010 at 4:11 am whiskey

    James — Two words: Teri Hatcher.

    Here are two more: Lauren Graham.

    Let’s review. Fifteen years ago both were smoking hot. Now they’re used up plastic surgery disasters. Teri Hatcher went from some anonymous but uber-hot/masculine husband … to DATING DAVID SPADE!

    Let me re-iterate: DATING DAVID SPADE!

    Ladies, if you don’t want to DATE DAVID SPADE, make the BEST bargain you can, early. Do extra, extra-extra homework, research, diligence. But bargain early. You’re not getting any hotter. That twelve year old is your competition in ten years.

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  153. on March 17, 2010 at 4:24 am Tupac Chopra

    Hey Whiskey, what do you think about the thanks (1600 new settlement homes) shown by the Isrealis for the lives of our American brothers slain in the Middle East?

    I’m sure that you, as a Scots-Irishman, have much to say.

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  154. on March 17, 2010 at 4:47 am db

    Epoxytocin No. 87, why are sunsets perceived as so beautiful? Panoramic views in general have the obvious benefit of information about prey and enemies but what’s so special about sunsets?

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  155. on March 17, 2010 at 4:54 am ASDF

    David Spade is hilarious. He probably makes her laugh all the way to the sack.

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  156. on March 17, 2010 at 5:43 am xsplat

    Cauthon

    Sound advice. I think saying 99% is out of a girl’s control is a bit harsh. Physical fitness, grooming habits (having a good haircut), fashion sense, and generosity to one’s partner are all under the girl’s control. I’d say more like 80% is pure looks.

    I think you’ve both got it right.

    Good looks is foundational. It’s like good sex. It’s not the entirety of the relationship, it’s just the foundation of it. Without a solid foundation, nothing that is built will stay built for long.

    If the man is dating someone who does not meet his minimum aesthetic requirements, he will not be able to keep his heart in the affair.

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  157. on March 17, 2010 at 6:41 am xsplat

    [editor: makeup will work for the first night together. the next morning, when he sees her natural face, the illusion will be gone. one night of deception is not good enough to secure one lifetime of marriage.]

    True, however one aspect of girl game you neglected to mention ties in with makeup game. It’s called being arm candy game. When you go out, make him proud, make him happy. Make him remember how good you made him feel in public.

    It’s one thing to make your man happy in the home. It’s a separate thing to make him publicly happy. For that, dress up every time you go out. Every time. Make your face. Don’t’ hold his hand, hold his forearm with your elbow. Always hold his forearm with your elbow, wherever you go. Give him blow jobs in taxi cabs, or other public places. I know it sounds outrageous, but you know what else is outrageous? Death. We die, and that’s outrageous also. Might as well be a bit more outrageous than death, before you go.

    Public game requires makeup and dress sense, a desire to show off your man because you are so proud and a desire to make him publicly proud of you. And a sense of outrageousness – he is more important to you than propriety. Show him that, and he’ll take you seriously.

    Alternately, want to turn the man off? Care what your friends and family and society think more than what your man thinks.

    And that brings me to submissiveness game. But that’s up to your man to teach you.

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  158. on March 17, 2010 at 7:12 am xsplat

    DTH

    Learn to shut the fuck up most of the time, esp. if we are watching a game.

    Yup. That falls under the header of submissiveness game.

    Flashman hit another nail square on with

    Avoid the status whoring that mediocre to moderately attractive women (6 to 8’s) fall into in the big city to boost their self-esteem and fit in. No man with any options finds this attractive in a longterm mate. We see right through it and deduct points. No designer bags, designer shoes, bragging about dinners in hip restaurants, etc. This may elevate your sense of position in the female hierarchy but your position means nothing, absolutely nothing, to us in terms of longterm mate value.

    It’s true that status is a female concern that men can, for obvious reasons, find a huge drain and pain. For one it shows you are overly involved with the society of girls. That’s a turnoff. For two it means you are geared towards getting life satisfaction from displays of status, which for most men is unrewarding, and a big drain of finances and time. Basically you will be showing your man that your interests are in direct competition with his, and that your desires will be a net drain on him.

    Doug got a few unmentioned important points, but the one that stood out to me was

    Being good with money and certainly not a spendthrift.

    Good to see you back here Doug. I hope you find the time to post more often.

    Being partnered with the man financially is so often a matter of financial expectation on the womans part. What a man finds attractive is if you stick with him in tough times. He’ll consider that devotion, and that will matter to him. And when things are good, if you help him in ways you can, he’ll come to depend on you. That can be by helping him run his business, freeing up his time so he can take care of business by attenting to getting food and housecleaning and cloths cleaning work done, either by yourself of by managing staff, or by direct financial contribution. What turns men off is a succubus, and what turns us on is a feeling that you are with us for more than the food stamps. Thick and thin may not be a reasonable expectation for a man to have, but give him that illusion at least. If it’s real, he’ll notice and gratitude is a good thing for your mate to feel towards you.

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  159. on March 17, 2010 at 7:26 am xsplat

    W.W.

    Actually, I would never wait 5 or 6 dates… that’s just too long to wait.

    Factoid: As of ten years ago, the average date number for sex was the magic #5.

    Some men do, but I never hold a first night fuck against a woman. I want irresistable passion. I want a high libido risk taking fun and adventurous girl, instantly smitten and starry eyed. Some guys will take you more seriously if you smack away his hands until date three. No hard and fast rules here, but generally 3 to 5 dates would make him think you are not primarily sexual in your mate seeking, which for some guys means he’ll take you more seriously.

    I’d take a girl less seriously, but that might just be me.

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  160. on March 17, 2010 at 7:35 am xsplat

    No matter the reason, he’s not alpha if she cheated on him. Full stop.

    Ya, Doug got it right that this was a retarded statement. Maybe true in the land of Narnia, or some other entirely fictional wonderland.

    Status is relative and comes in parallel niches. There is always some higher status in your own niche, and always thousands of parallel niches with higher status men than you waiting for a chance to proposition your woman.

    Love does not make people monogamous, always and indefinitely. Monogamy is tenous and even if not, it’s most prudent and consider it so.

    There is nothing a man can do to keep a woman faithful – not by being something special, treating her a special way, or watching over her carefully. Women have free will, and are capricious. A dangerous combination.

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  161. on March 17, 2010 at 7:42 am xsplat

    Dragnet comparing Laura and Skadi – hilarious. Laura is about realistic compromise and giving, Skadi is self focused and about deliberately not giving.

    Ya, Skadi – go on and give girls advice about being self oriented and stingy. That’ll give them a leg up on the competition. As we all know how much men are not attracted to selfless and subservient women with modest expectations.

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  162. on March 17, 2010 at 7:59 am Beez LeBoss

    1) everyone at a bar/club is hiding behind a facade, dont go there, stick to places with things that interest you, if you like art meet men at galleries, etc.

    2) just work the abdomen, nobody likes a little tight ass

    3) stay representing your previous town, everyone wants to be friends with the new girl.

    thats it, girls actualy get to be themselves

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  163. on March 17, 2010 at 8:06 am xsplat

    Lupo

    he more sausage they’ve inhaled, the more a “relationship” with them is like an S&M scene without a safe-word.

    Funny, and a fair generalization. But not an encompassing one. Some slutty girls didn’t lose the ability to bond, they just never happened to bond the whole time. After they bond with you, watch out – you can hardly pry them off. True, a girl with a higher cock count is a higher risk, and true, more likely to be less able to bond. But it’s a matter of odds, not rules.

    I think a lot of men would be surprised at just how horrible most men are at fucking. A girl can go years and years and through dozens of guys without ever feeling the full force of lust and love and magic. It’s not so much how many dicks she’s sat on that matters – it’s how many of those dicks got her fully fired up. If you come out way and above the rest, the rest counts in your favor. She’ll know how special you are, from experience.

    On the other hand, once you’ve awoken a womans sexuality, it’s easier for her to have decent sex with others.

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  164. on March 17, 2010 at 9:56 am beta_disciple

    Epoxytocin No. 87 : Good point, and taken.

    I *do* consider myself a sort of transition beta. (God, I used to be so damnably nice to girls. The moment I stopped, I scored.)

    Anyway, the point is : even if a small probability exists that 0.001% find alphas any less attractive as a result, that percentage will grow over time, and cause game to become just *that* little less useful for us beta->alpha transitioners. Hence the comment.

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  165. on March 17, 2010 at 10:16 am iceman

    http://www.uncoached.com/2010/03/05/vagina-power/

    this may require a post of its own

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  166. on March 17, 2010 at 10:23 am Polymath

    Epoxytocin No. 87,

    You said

    “I’ve known a decent number of people who’ve bootstrapped their way up from broken childhood homes to forming intact families as adults.
    Of the ones who overcame their backgrounds through sheer introspection, rational analysis, and strength of will, ALL of them, every single last one, to a man, were male.”

    My mother is an exception to your generalization. It was sheer willpower and ability to analyze her own situation that got her out of a broken family, orphanages, etc., in the worst slum in the worst city in England and make a great life for herself in the USA with a stable traditional family. (She was a high-powered doctor, but she stayed home to raise my sister and me first and started med school at age 36.) Her upbringing left some scars but they were remarkably minor.

    Statistically, though, your observation is correct.

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  167. on March 17, 2010 at 10:29 am Psylo

    Even Cara Bruni is showing her age.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1258233/Has-Carla-Bruni-little-help-keeping-appearances.html

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  168. on March 17, 2010 at 10:34 am Polymath

    Tupac,

    Although your comment about Israel was way off topic I can’t resist remarking that it is also stupid. There are lots of different countries in the Middle East. Afghanistan and Iraq have practically nothing to do with the Palestinians. You can criticize Israel’s settlement policy, but acting like our own wars in that part of the world are about that is ridiculous.

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  169. on March 17, 2010 at 10:39 am anoukange

    Epoxy–

    I was speaking of the norm, no the exceptions. Just as this post itself speaks of the average, the norm. Character is HUGE and can make an average joe in looks three times the man. Many, many women lack self-reflection skills as well.

    I must admit that your example of body builders is a bit weird. There are other examples of persons who have overcome their insufficient upbringings. I chuckled at this because body builders always seemed a little off kilter to me. I don’t trust extremes in general due to the nature of them most likely over-correcting or swinging the pendulum in the opposite direction– which is no better than where they were in my opinion. Life, love, job, sex, philosophy and improvement of oneself should always be done in doses, stages, and layers. One should also pull from many sources and aim to be well-rounded as a result. Have high, unshakable values but keep an open mind and spirit– and remain able to be touched and delighted by this beautiful life and the people you meet along the way.

    Tupac:

    What IS it with you boys and Rush? I have yet to date a guy that doesn’t love this band. Their drummer was really into Ayn Rand by the way.

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  170. on March 17, 2010 at 10:40 am anoukange

    *that’s supposed to be not the exceptions in that first sentence.

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  171. on March 17, 2010 at 10:52 am PA

    Rush is awesome because it’s cerebral without being douchey (unlike, say REM).

    Depending on my mood, I like my music brainy (Rush), emotional (rock power ballads), or cool (Skynyrd).

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  172. on March 17, 2010 at 10:53 am JB

    “Hey Whiskey, what do you think about the thanks (1600 new settlement homes) shown by the Isrealis for the lives of our American brothers slain in the Middle East? ”

    What, because you believe OIF was a war “for Israel” they have to? Conflating Obama/Clinton foreign policy with where most of the US stands is a neat rhetorical trick, though. Do you agree with Obama policies or are you some kind of traitor now?

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  173. on March 17, 2010 at 10:53 am JB

    with ALL Obama policies.

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  174. on March 17, 2010 at 11:31 am Chi-town

    @Epoxytocin No. 87

    “Exactly 0% of them will find sunsets any less attractive as a result.”

    What ever do you mean?

    When I see a beautiful, spread eagle, naked woman, I now realize she is just surging with feminine hormones and reflexively writhing in a dew of perspiration. Her glossy long hair? Hormones. Her heavy breathing and rosy flush? Hormones. The smooth, pacific beaches of her land scape seen from the crows nest of a ravaged ship? Hormones.

    Now that I understand, I simply view it as nothing more than a mating presentation.

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  175. on March 17, 2010 at 11:41 am Stud Dynamite

    Tarl:
    Ladies, if you think you’re going to ride the cock carousel until you’re about to hit the wall, and then find a beta provider, think again. Why would that hardworking successful guy want an aging, well-used skank?

    Yes, oh yes. Instead, find a beta provider early. Then few years later either start screwing on the side or drive him crazy with your unhappiness. Solid, pro-male, advice.

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  176. on March 17, 2010 at 11:53 am Jeff

    One tactic that might be helpful: When you observe a woman treating her boyfriend/husband badly, let your boyfriend/LTR target know that you’ve noticed and find her behavior offensive.

    You won’t have to wait long to find an example: in any public place, in any big city, you can observe women treating their partners (usually their husbands) with outright hostility or with barely-concealed contempt. Let him know you’re not like that.

    Assuming it’s true. If you use this tactic and then, 10 years later, act the same way, then you’ll probably go to hell, if there’s such a place**and if there isn’t, you’ll still make your own life (as well as his) an earthly version.

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  177. on March 17, 2010 at 12:11 pm PA

    There are two kinds of GirlGame: the siren and the home sweet home:

    The Siren:

    Hey! Hey! You! You!
    I don’t like your girlfriend!
    No way! No way!
    I think you need a new one

    Don’t you know what I could do to make you feel alright?
    Don’t pretend I think you know I’m damn precious
    And Hell Yeah
    I’m the motherfucking princess
    I can tell you like me too and you know I’m right

    She’s like so whatever
    And you could do so much better
    I think we should get together now
    And that’s what everyone’s talking about!

    The Home Sweet Home:

    But she wears short skirts, I wear t-shirts
    She’s cheer captain and I’m on the bleachers
    Dreaming bout the day when you wake up and find
    That what you’re lookin for has been here the whole time

    If you could see that I’m the one who understands you
    Been here all along so why can’t you see?
    You belong with me

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  178. on March 17, 2010 at 12:28 pm Nicole

    Lots of good, practical advice here, but I’d add that she needs heterosexual male friends who are taken or out of her league.

    Having a stable posse of higher status male friends has a good protective and accountability factor. You have to invite them to get into your business and help you filter potentials, and really take their counsel.

    When you don’t have your family around to do this, you kind of have to make your own family. This has saved me a lot of grief. It also prevents stalkers or other flavors of psycho from thinking of you as a good target.

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  179. on March 17, 2010 at 11:20 am Stud Dynamite

    I think you’re slipping, succumbing to disenfranchised beta providers’ attitudes so rampant here… What is this, advice on how to ensnare a “greater” beta and be his pedestalized little angel dreaming of someone else? What next, “monogamy rocks”? =)
    My answer to reader – get married if it happens and you find the one you click with. It may not work out, but a pussy is not entitlement policy for a fairy tale. Otherwise spare the guy’s time. The whole “I want to get married” without even any candidates in the picture is just disturbing. The only thing more disturbing is betas falling for it.

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  180. on March 17, 2010 at 2:52 pm titan

    From lookig around over the last couple of decades – the best plan I’ve seen (as far as success for the woman) is to develop an interest in some male dominated hobby or hobbies.

    Pick something with a heavy slant of male participants – males of the sort you’d be interested in as your long term partners.

    The church going advice is golden – for men. Women greatly outnumber men there (it is fishing a heavily stocked pond for men – not so good for women as the place to meet the right guy AND be able to land him long term – too much strong competition for women there)

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  181. on March 17, 2010 at 3:06 pm Bobby

    The David’s anti-feminist retort: “let them have cats.”

    Priceless.

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  182. on March 17, 2010 at 3:39 pm Lupo

    @xsplat: “Funny, and a fair generalization. But not an encompassing one.”

    I hate bringing up exceptions, but in my long and sordid career, I actually met one exception to this rule. She had other problems, of course, but for some reason her bonding thingee wasn’t totally shot. I hate bringing this up, because every dipshit dating a $20 whore will think his little snookums is also the exception.

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  183. on March 17, 2010 at 3:46 pm titan

    I would also echo the sentiments of many here, a woman who’s been flatbacked with a large number of guys is usually psychologically damaged.

    Probably contrary to the thinking of many people here, I think the same of men who rack up large numbers ( think the threshold of crossing into presumably damaged territory is rather higher for men, but I think it is still there)

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  184. on March 17, 2010 at 3:55 pm Tyrone

    “Rush is awesome because it’s cerebral without being douchey (unlike, say REM).

    Depending on my mood, I like my music brainy (Rush), emotional (rock power ballads), or cool (Skynyrd).”

    Monster Magnet or the Stooges

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  185. on March 17, 2010 at 4:03 pm ironrailsironweights

    The very most important tip:
    Don’t shave.

    Peter

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  186. on March 17, 2010 at 3:01 pm Basil Ransom

    BTW, in the real world, guys will not care if you are a lawyer or not, if your personality is otherwise good. Some commenters here worship CH and are wrapped up in all kinds of blogosphere bullshit – they miss the subtleties.

    Generalizations have exceptions by definition.

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  187. on March 17, 2010 at 3:07 pm Kurtis

    You’re saying that women, the gender that moans and gets far more into sex than men can, shouldn’t do what they like (even though we should)? I could totally marry a girl who got down on me 2 hours after meeting. I’m not gonna judge or call a girl a slut because she just wants to do sexual stuff quickly, I’d call it a good sign. (A slut is a girl who sleeps around after deciding to go exclusive. Before that she’s single just like me) I want it and she wants it. If you want to call sex bad and talk down to women because they have it, go for it. Good luck getting laid at all or even with any regularity deep into a relationship.

    CH, you find little pockets of truth about society, but where you are coming from really is just gonna hurt you more than help you.

    Really, how can you say all “alpha’s” like shy women? I don’t give a damn if she’s shy or not as long as she’s an authentic girl. I’ve read 3 of your articles and really I don’t wanna be harsh, but its bullshit. I know you want to help people so you’re explaining your observations and stuff and I think its awesome you set this blog up, but I really don’t agree with most of the stuff you say. Feels to me like too much thinking and not enough doing or experience.

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  188. on March 17, 2010 at 5:19 pm Default User

    doug1 mentioned that:

    . . .I’ve never ever had a post delayed here due to moderation. I have had messages to that effect on occasion added to my comment, but they never have any effect.

    I think that is because you are the only one to see the new reply while it is moderation. Nobody else will see it until it is released. The reason you see it so that you know your comment has been accepted and do not try to repost it.

    [Ok, it is kind of sad that one of my few posts on a game blog in months is technical advice but given my name, what did you expect]

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  189. on March 17, 2010 at 5:19 pm Default User

    and I mess up my formatting.

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  190. on March 17, 2010 at 5:21 pm Default User

    Peter reminded us that some things never change when he offered:

    The very most important tip:
    Don’t shave.

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  191. on March 17, 2010 at 5:23 pm Some Girl

    My ideas:

    1) Learn the stuff Grandma knew about making a home

    2) Stay as beautiful as you can for as long as you can

    3) Don’t be a whore but know HOW to get a man off in bed

    4) Get rid of the too-typical modern American female attitude of man-hatred, bitterness, Princess entitlement. Just be cool and kind and smart.

    5) Figure out what type of man you want and go to the sorts of placed he’d be found

    6) Pray for faith in Christ if you don’t have it already, and look for a man with the same — someone who knows the importance of sex and of virtue

    7) Have a sense of humor and find a man with the same

    8) Avoid men (including the religious ones) who have nasty attitudes toward women because some — far too many — women have become vile lately. Stay away from men who, unlike Grandpa, can’t handle the realities of female aging, the effects of pregnancy on a woman’s body, etc. Look for a grown-up man who hasn’t been ruined by porn-fed expectations.

    9) Watch how a man treats his mother, waitresses, people in service positions, the weak, etc.

    10) Meanwhile, keep yourself alive — do your thing, indulge in your interests, be interesting, be interested, go for what you want marriage-wise, but know that being married won’t get you into Heaven, if you know what I mean. I.e., prepare for a life of possible singlehood and don’t let it kill you if divorce/child custody laws have made marriage impossible. Read about pre-nups, Covenant marriage, etc. Get on with teaching other women about the importance of changing divorce laws.

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  192. on March 17, 2010 at 5:26 pm Beer Monkey

    Any atheist men here actually go to church to meet women? Man, I couldn’t stand my own hypocrisy, but I have no problem meeting women elsewhere so that’s easy to say.

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  193. on March 17, 2010 at 5:45 pm MethuselahX

    About broken homes… I wanted to ask for advice.

    I was an outlier in my family, and I think introducing a woman to my family when she comes from a much better family will only lower her opinion of me.

    When dating, I’d like to lie and say my family is emotionally healthy and not divorced. There’s no reason to let their failures stain me.

    If dating turns into a long-term relationship, I can brush off introducing her to my family. Finally, I’d tell her how they really are, and say I’m ‘sensitive’ about it, which would just be more ‘yay, drama.’

    Does this seem practical to you folks?

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  194. on March 17, 2010 at 5:48 pm Stud Dynamite

    xsplat, I don’t consider myself “horrible at fucking”, better than a lot if I was to believe it, but for productive talk sake, got any pointers? More and more I come to believe it’s 50% how much she its into you, 45 how alpha overall you are, 5% technique/tricks.

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  195. on March 17, 2010 at 6:11 pm xsplat

    Stud, do I have any pointers?

    Yes, in fact I do. I agree with you that a lot of it is your bearing. And that is why it’s important to work on bearing. Not posture or stance, so much. The inner work of bearing can be exercised just like muscles, and it may not seem as obvious, the effects are obvious.

    People think I’m wacko when I talk of this because it seems too esoteric to be meaningful. It is esoteric, and it is time consuming and difficult. Inner work.

    People approach improving their bearing in many ways. Some people take up a martial art. Some become masters of social functions, and learn a captivating grace. For sex, there are sure fire ways to improve bearing that are more profound and subtle. They have been elucidated for hundreds and even thousands of years. Go to the daoists, and learn about focusing the mind on the kinesthetic internal sensations in the body in ritual and practiced routines. Doing so will quickly alter how you perceive your body, and eventually how you perceive other peoples bodies. A heightened kinesthetic sense is a form of awareness, which is a form of power.

    I bet I’ve already turned a lot of readers off. Too meditative. Too esoteric. But the effects on the sex life are undeniable. Chi-kung is the athleticism of the kinesthetic sense. Master your internal energies and you can manipulate anothers. It’s not just about not coming. It’s about ramping up your ability to feel. Not just about ramping up the voltage and amperage, but about subtlety and balance. A true sense of power. Its about being embodied. Being embodied actually takes practice for a lot of us, as we tend to locate our self in our thoughts. Being strongly embodied will give you bearing, which is power, which can mesh and merge with your lover. It takes practice – not just in fucking, but in dealing directly with the bodies “energies”, or in focusing on kinesthetic awareness in ritualized ways as a routine.

    But as a simple one line hint that can start off a firestorm, when fucking, focus your attention on the top of your head. Use all your willpower to keep it there, no matter what is happening. This can cause a drastic change in your proprieceptive sense – your internalized feeling of what is your body. Instead of feelilng the sex feelings in your dick, you’ll start to feel them throughout your whole body. You’ll feel a rush of energy up your spine. Go with it and allow your voice and breath to move the energy up your spine. Even out the top of your head. This is the beginning of kundalini sex – the spinal awakening. It’s only the first step, but its the first step into a totally different way of dealing with sex.

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  196. on March 17, 2010 at 6:25 pm xsplat

    And after you go through this change in your proprioceptive sense, people who tune into your feelings will also change. It’s transferrable, because there are natural circuits of kinesthetic sensations dormant in us that we can tune into, and when you see someone do something, the mirror neurons act as if you are also doing it. You can wake up a womans sexuality.

    My last girlfriend never used to come with guys. At best she could rub herself into an orgasm, but never had a vaginal orgasm and never with guys. She’d been with a lot of guys. A lot. After being with me for a while she started to have spontaneous orgasms. At first she’d have one when I smacked her ass hard walking down the grocery store isle. Later she’d have them with me just standing in the checkout line. Later just thinking about me on the bus.

    Waking up sexuality isn’t some fantasy dream – it’s something you do on purpose. It’s not unatainable – it’s remarkably simple, really.

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  197. on March 17, 2010 at 6:29 pm Some Girl

    My two cents, what would work for most women would be to:

    Physically tease the hell out of her first (aside from the also cool throw-her-against-the-wall-and-fuck-her type stuff).

    Look at her, talk to her, and fuck her like you own her. Not like some piece of crap on your shoe (unless that’s her particular thing), but like something you want and WILL have. She wants to feel desired and to feel your STRENGTH relative to hers. And she wants to feel that at the same time.

    Know how to get her off; get her to talk to you about it by making it “okay” to do so if she needs that sort of consolation (i.e., get around the anti-slut defenses some girls have).

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  198. on March 17, 2010 at 6:31 pm xsplat

    And I have similar stories with a lot of girls. Not being spontaneously orgasmic, that’s a uniqueness to my last lover. But of awakening a power of sexuality that they never suspected was in them. Even after they had been with a LOT of guys. Even housewives or older women.

    So, ya. Most guys can barely fuck, and the sad thing is they have no idea about this. People are energetically illiterate.

    Imagine if your country had no public schooling and most people could not read, and had no concept of the value of it? Sex is like that. Sad, but true. Most guys are illiterate.

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  199. on March 17, 2010 at 6:56 pm xsplat

    Oh, I should warn anyone who wants to start into kundalini and energetic yoga practices, it’s a bit dangerous. You can turn on a tap that has no off switch. You can wind up feeling permanently horny, with every breath being sexual. The sensations can be very strong, and for some they can be very disorienting. The idea is to go slowly and view it a long haul practice – something that develops over many years. If you start to get too wiggy, back off for a while. Chi-kung is a gentler approach that is safer than kundalini or some daoist practices. The idea is move forward gently without going completely insane.

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  200. on March 17, 2010 at 6:59 pm MethuselahX

    To answer my own ruminations: it’s much wiser to generally avoid deception.

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  201. on March 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm Adaptivity

    Xsplat, sounds interesting. Do you think a portion of the effect on women comes from telling them about your energetic practices? Women love to think about stuff like that.

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  202. on March 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm xsplat

    Titan

    Probably contrary to the thinking of many people here, I think the same of men who rack up large numbers

    Others here have mentioned the same thing. There are a few posts on this topic a stickmanbankok.com readers submissions.

    I find it a big picture overview topic that goes under evaluated. It’s the big picture views that matter most to us, so that we can aim our lives in a beneficial direction. It’s true that we can desinsitise too much. What’s usually talked about by people transitioning out of beta is how to harsh up, how to desensitise, how to get over oneitis, how to be able to be aloof. What’s rarely mentioned by them, because it’s not important at their stage, is to not go overboard.

    Many people do, and it’s a tragic loss of humanity.

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  203. on March 17, 2010 at 7:18 pm K(yle)

    James-

    The problem with encouraging a woman to ride the cock carousel and then settle with the beta provider isn’t that it is strategically impossible. It’s very possible.

    The issue is that she isn’t going to be happy with an aging Herb with an MBA that will ‘take care’ of her after fucking a procession of Alpha cads for the past 7-10 years. Her expectations have been raised beyond what a single man can provide. She will have to sacrifice much of what she has grown accustomed to for the sake of having babies and a husband. If she never had it, there is nothing to sacrifice.

    Yours is the Flowers for Algernon of relationship advice.

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  204. on March 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm xsplat

    Adaptivity, no, you don’t need to talk about it at all. For instance I never talked about it with my last lover.

    People tune into a persons vibe subconsciously, and it happens on a level far more subtle that we are conscious of. A persons presence and vibe has a strong effect, as we are all aware. What I’m talking about is consciously excersing this bearing, to a degree that most people never imagine.

    But then yes, you can mix it with hypnotic suggestions. I used to practice chi-kung healing touch, which is a mix of kinesthetic awareness and suggestion. But remember, it’s a mix. Suggestion without kinesthetic awareness won’t give the same effect, because people have a keen unconscious ability to tune into anothers feelings.

    Have you ever glanced at someone way across a crowded room, and had them instantly meet your gaze? People work on incredibly brief timelines in ways that are subconscious. We are not conscious of this ability to notice eyeball movements so far and so fast. But the more fantastic thing is what happens in the next 1/4 second of eye contact. A wealth of information is exchanged. We all know the feeling – the wealth of information you get from very brief eye contact.

    Energetic exchanges, or vibes, can be thought of as a wealth of subconscious cues. You can’t deliberately decide what to transmit unless you transmute your internal sensations first.

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  205. on March 17, 2010 at 8:04 pm xsplat

    People tune into your subconscious cues in remarkably subtle ways. On this blog the effort is to make conscious all the subtle cues we give off socially, through our words and posture and action. What is not delved into in the slightest, is the power and strength of the more subtle cues that are not verbal, or even postural.

    While we are not literate yet, as a society, about these cues, just like with game, the subconscious can be made conscious, and manipulated to effect.

    A great deal of non-verbal communication can happen just with the eyes. But for that to be useful, you have to first become aware of that language. It’s not about eye movements. Just as a real smile can not be faked by even the best actors, eye communication can not be faked. You have to become a certain state, and that takes a great deal of internal kinesthetic awareness and practice. If you move yourself into a certain state, under the right circumstances, you can hypnogogically induce a state in another. People can not help but fall under a sway of sympathetic resonance. You can literally make a woman weak in the knees with your eyes.

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  206. on March 17, 2010 at 8:09 pm BSD

    this is great

    http://www.alternet.org/sex/146023/feminist_sex_submissive_how_i_reconcile_my_politics_with_my_sex_life

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  207. on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm Stud Dynamite

    xsplat, yes, indeed it is pretty esoteric. But sounds like at the lower levels it’s same stuff said at different language. The problem, and that’s where the true inner game comes in, is when your vibes don’t click and you can go very sensually or very rough for extended periods of time and it still doesn’t click. Doesn’t happen very often, but it does. Perhaps what you’re talking about, working on the vibe, can help there. My biggest improvement (and I’m talking about enjoying it more myself =)) came from letting go of the goal and just enjoying various pounding techniques and how they feel for me. Pretty much being more aware of my body.

    Anyway, indeed you have a great point about illiteracy. This is what I call the curse of greater beta/lesser alpha – you have rudimentary game, you have desire to screw around and are pretty satisfied with what you get by with, primarily from social circle, as you don’t really know what’s possible as well as what’s going on behind the curtain and why these girls have sex with you… Then you get beta-ized and… well hopefully “we can rebuild him”.

    Though, dunno, back in the day, early 20’s, I think a lot of them genuinely enjoyed it a lot, even had a couple of “referrals” for one night only… While my technique was pretty much getting the first one out of the way and going 2, 3, 4 for respectable periods of time =) That is what I mean about 95% and I think it is approximation of your vibe/bearing. Hell, I was seduced and fucked a married gal and I then was cheated on myself. Same me, well fatter/beta-er as a cheatee, but wimpier as a 22 y.o. kid, still about the same…

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  208. on March 17, 2010 at 11:12 pm xsplat

    Stud

    The problem, and that’s where the true inner game comes in, is when your vibes don’t click and you can go very sensually or very rough for extended periods of time and it still doesn’t click.

    Ya, sometimes the chemistry just isn’t there. I’m not always the best a girl has ever had. Sometimes she doesn’t like my style at all. You can’t create reactive chemistry with just any old chemicals – only certain chemicals have the potential for pyrotechnics. Some girls get nothing special from me, but great chemistry with another. It’s the overall trend that is obvious though, for most men, there is little to no attention paid to mastering internal sexual energies. They fuck for ten minutes. Or fuck for a long time with little sensitivity to blending in exstatic union. For the most part, men are ineffectual lovers, unschooled, untrained, undisciplined.

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  209. on March 18, 2010 at 4:31 am xsplat

    And by the way I consider it the man’s responsibility to teach his woman girl game. Settle for nothing less. When she tries to hold your hand, make her hold your arm with the crook of her elbow. If she tries to dress frumpy, insist on her changing her clothes. If she’s hanging out watching TV all day, tell her exactly what work to do.

    People like to feel that they belong. A woman who is shown how to please will eventually eagerly take on these roles to fit into your family. She’ll internalize them and make these responsibilities her pleasure.

    The man must teach these things.

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  210. on March 18, 2010 at 4:46 am xsplat

    Women are like children. They actually want and take pride in responsibilities being demanded of them.

    Good parents are always careful to give young children token jobs, such as carrying a small sack with a few token groceries in it when you lug the shopping from the car. The child may be intrinsically lazy, but he has the competing desire to contribute to the group, to feel important, to feel bound within the social circle of concern.

    If you demand of your woman, she will interpret it to mean that you are serious about her. That you are are family. That you are authority.

    It does not take long at all for a woman to learn to be your charge. Its a simple matter of frame.

    I recall fighting with my last mate over this. At times I would tell her “stop fighting and just give up”. Eventually she would tell me, resigned, ok, I’ll stop fighting. I give up. And she became my slave. She even wanted to tatoo this designation on her lower back.

    Being a slave is hugely desirable to women. Yes. But it’s up to you to demand it. To make a woman fully submit is an art. It’s like training an unruly dog who grew up with no master. It’s the dogs nature to submit – it’s just waiting for someone to care enough to make it do so.

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  211. on March 18, 2010 at 5:00 am Rum

    If a guy represents total alpha-ness to the hind-brain of a women, a few seconds of him doing her ear lobes might cause her knees to give way.
    Contrary-wise, if she deems him to be terminally omega, an hour long pounding by a huge omega cock would still leave her feeling bored and resentful.
    There is nothing wrong with having skills well adapted to the intricacies of the female sexual body. Just like a girl will not suffer in life if she comes to learn what physically gets guys to go off like Roman Candles.
    But her and his hind-brain are still very much aware of what really matters and will steer the sexual satisfaction outcomes in the genetically ordained directions.
    Alpha guy = gina tingles and easy orgasms despite nearly everything else – for her.
    Hot girl who looks good naked = instant rock hardness and at least two love-spasms – for him.
    “Technique” is 5 percent. “How they really value your genes” is the other 95 percent.

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  212. on March 18, 2010 at 5:14 am xsplat

    I get your meaning Rum, and I won’t argue it, but riddle me this. I’m short, oldish, and fugly. For seven of the last 8 years in SE Asia I’ve been living hand to mouth broke. Yet I’ve been able to easily compete with my girls agains young handsome and buff suitors with cash.

    Your arugment is a bit circular. Being alpha makes her weak kneed. But I’m telling you that being able to make her weak kneed makes her alpha.

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  213. on March 18, 2010 at 5:15 am xsplat

    makes you alpha.

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  214. on March 18, 2010 at 5:15 am xsplat

    Short, old, balding, often broke, and even sometimes out of shape.

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  215. on March 18, 2010 at 5:17 am xsplat

    And a raging alcoholic.

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  216. on March 18, 2010 at 5:40 am xsplat

    With poor fashion sense.

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  217. on March 18, 2010 at 6:05 am xsplat

    Who can’t dance, has no musical ability, and is not socially adept when in groups.

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  218. on March 18, 2010 at 6:17 am xsplat

    When I seduced my last girl I was just recovering from a stroke, and throughout our relationship suffered from serious health problems.

    And on and on.

    A few months ago when I was standing up you could almost use my beer belly as a place to rest objects.

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  219. on March 18, 2010 at 6:26 am xsplat

    I once allowed for a situation in which my girl fucked my best friend. I didn’t arrange it, I just allowed for it. I had three girls at the time, and was out of town, and didn’t consider the guy in any way a threat.

    The guy is a sax player with huge social clout. Very popular. Tall. Handsome. Sociable and usually the center of attention.

    She fucked him once and never had any urge to fuck him again.

    You see, sometimes a girl sitting on another cock actually improves your situation with her. Most guys can not fuck.

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  220. on March 18, 2010 at 6:35 am xsplat

    Oh ya, and the guy is a cyclist and captain of his city soccer team.

    I think you get my point.

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  221. on March 18, 2010 at 6:41 am xsplat

    I scored a 10 that he discarded off of him. She fell head over heels for me, and would often tell how superior I was to the guy. She was 22, and bona fide 10 who could easily compete in a miss world contest. Smart as a whip girl – brilliant and a voracious reader.

    I had her wrapped around my finger, tying a balloon around her wrist, calling me Daddy, and seriously contemplating leaving her fiance and marrying me. All within 6 weeks.

    Now tell me again about your theory?

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  222. on March 18, 2010 at 8:58 am Cannon's Canon

    welcome back, xsplat!

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  223. on March 18, 2010 at 10:27 am gunslingergregi

    lol xsplat

    hamstringing yourself can be fun but also nice to take vacation from bullshit after you prove certain things.

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  224. on March 18, 2010 at 6:10 pm xsplat

    Tell me how to take a vacation from being short and balding, and I’m on it, Gunner!

    But I’m 11 weeks into weight training and nearly have my preferred body style back. I’ve got a very reasonable cash flow now, and my shoes and most of my shirts are fashionable. The ill health problems are harder to tackle, but I’ll win against those too. In the end, I always win. I’m unstoppable.

    I’ve come to believe that the most important factors in life success are dedication and interest. I’m a lousy entrepreneur, frankly, but with year after year of application, am once again doing well financially. And it’s the simple desire for women and interest in them that has forced me to year after year persue them. Despite being so ugly that in a crowded bar I’m most likely to be the least attractive, I’ve been able work my strengths such that I can compete on better than even footing with young handsome blokes. And I have a personality that many have described as shy – I was even once labeled as painfully and unspeakably shy.

    Dedication, perseverance, and interest. Year after year of application. That’s what matters most for success.

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  225. on March 19, 2010 at 9:18 am brighty

    it is the best game ever

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  226. on March 19, 2010 at 9:52 am Topher

    “Smart as a whip girl – brilliant and a voracious reader.

    I had her wrapped around my finger, tying a balloon around her wrist, calling me Daddy, and seriously contemplating leaving her fiance and marrying me. All within 6 weeks.”

    Isn’t it wild how the hormonal rush can cause a person to throw away any semblance of their intelligence and wisdom, and cuddle themselves tightly into somebody else’s ego?

    The hindbrain indeed.

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  227. on March 19, 2010 at 9:50 am Topher

    I am surprised and impressed with the wisdom of his advice. He could be a matchmaker as well as a game coach.

    I echo the sentiments on this thread:

    -Take care of your man, appreciate him for the man he is and cultivate his masculine side
    -Flip side to the previous point, do NOT try to control him, with passive-aggressive public comments, nagging or whatever
    -Do NOT undercut him in front of other people,
    and hold him to the same standard; do NOT get in to the coffee-klatch sisterhood where you go in a circle complaining about your mates.
    -Dispense with the idea that arguments must be “won” by somebody
    -Cultivate your own life and hobbies, so that you both have free time to do your own thing; many urban American women have no interests other than their looks, clothes, sitcoms, gossip rags and restaurants
    -Don’t sully your value by club-hopping or sleeping around; the psychological damage of such a lifestyle is palpable
    -Remember that the commitment of marriage entails lots of changes through life – people get disabled, switch careers, move around the world, see friends die, it’s totally unpredictable. Be ready to support your spouse through all of that.
    -Never treat him as a wallet with a penis, and don’t get fat or otherwise let yourself go to hell.

    I have cooled on the idea of marriage, but I believe it takes between two and five years for a typical American to turn their mind around so that it’s really ready for the idea of a marriage. Most people can’t do this, or don’t bother, and so we have the horrific state of marriage today.

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  228. on March 19, 2010 at 11:54 am Jerry Ertans

    Great advice, especially regarding the need to date older men, who are likely to also have the money and status as well. Younger men don’t like to hear that, but also know it isn’t in their long term interest to argue nor would they be convincing on the “I am really ready for marriage” question.

    Two “givens” were left out:

    1) The Sun is not a young woman’s friend: During the 4 peak sun months for the 4 peak sun hours each day, anyone wanting to preserve their youthful appearance needs to think like there is a sustained enemy “age ray” attack going on outside, determined to stop us from wanting to mate with each other by shriveling our faces.

    It is perfectly OK to shop, read, exercise or relax inside until 4:30PM and then hit the beach knowing that the ones who had been there for hours had gotten their faces fried big time.

    I was impressed early in life by seeing photos of 75 year old male monks, who never went outside, looking like they were in their early 30s alongside photos of 40 something women farm workers who looked like they were in their early 70s. No amount of sun cream is as good as just staying out of the sun during the 4% of the year that others think is the “best time to be on the beach having fun”.

    I would say I can date women 10 years younger than I otherwise could if I had spent summers in the sun like other men did. A few summers is all it takes to transform a woman’s face if she is a sun bunny.

    2) Cigarettes are not a young woman’s friend.

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  229. on March 19, 2010 at 10:03 pm xsplat

    Topher

    -Dispense with the idea that arguments must be “won” by somebody

    Back onto the theme that it is really the mans responsibility to mold his woman, practicing that art such that your woman is no longer argumentative and combative is the final test of your relationship game.

    And it’s done in large part by leading by example. In discussions where blame is being thrown around, when it finally lands on you and sticks, just accept it and shut up. Or say something pithy like “oh”.

    What that does is diminishes the gotcha, and shows the woman how easy it is to accept blame, and that there are no consequences. You want to train the both of you that there is no gotcha moment. A lot of that is done by leading by example.

    On the whole, the tone that you set during arguments should be:
    * You are the authority
    * When she accepts blame you just shut up and leave it at that and move on. Don’t rub her nose in it.
    * When you accept blame, do it before she gets a chance to say gotcha, and don’t be sheepish about it. Just accept it, guilt free, because learning new things is something to be proud of.

    This sets up a mutually encouraging atmosphere. Fights are no longer power struggles.

    But remember #1 – you are the authority. If it comes down to a power struggle, you have to be able to be more forceful than her.

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  230. on March 20, 2010 at 9:54 am Mr. k

    “DON’T give blowjobs before you have had sex with him. An early, pre-sex blowjob says one thing to a man — slut. And sluts don’t impress men as marriage prospects.”

    100% true

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  231. on March 20, 2010 at 8:53 am Markku

    [Note: The girl attached photos of herself. She’s a 6, maybe 6.5. There is raw material to work with. Since 99% of girl game is looks + youth, the advice you read me giving her here is for that last thin reed of 1% of attractiveness measures that are within a woman’s control to change. An improvement in that 1% won’t allow a woman to move up from a beta to an alpha, but it could mean dating up from a 5.5 to a 5.6, or between getting unceremoniously pumped and dumped and squeezing out four months of relationship bliss. In the zero-sum soul crucible of the sexual market, a tiny upgrade from a 5.5 man to a 5.6 man might mean the difference between divorce and a white picket fence.]

    The above is completely true, of course. But looks are far from being set in stone. A young and fat chick with good facial bone structure and muscle tone might go from 4 to 8 simply by losing all excess weight. Strategic areas can be improved with the right kind of weight training. For example, those with flat or flabby asses benefit from squats, which by the way, are shunned by way too many excercising women.

    Cosmetics and style aren’t nearly as important as being in good shape and avoiding skin damage and/or foul smell from smoking and sun tanning. Cosmetics and style, however, can help. Moderate sexiness with class is the key. As he said, sexy lingerie is never a bad idea. It never hurts and the guy you’re seeing might really like it.

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  232. on March 20, 2010 at 10:49 pm Polymath

    Hey, xsplat — very impressive if you’re not BSing, why not post a pic of yourself with the 10 to satisfy the doubters.

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  233. on March 21, 2010 at 12:27 am xsplat

    I’ve thought to post pictures many times, Poly. But I’ve chosen to remain anonymous, as much as possible. I wish it were mere paranoia. Anonymity is prudent.

    Whenever I get specific about some of the girls I’ve dated, there are a few crab basket reactions. 1) The girls weren’t as cute as you say 2) They are mere Asians and only in it for cash or a green card or because they treat all white guys that way 3) You ain’t all that and it’s all a fabrication.

    But as people don’t know one way or the other about me, this reaction to try to cut me down a peg must be an emotional need, inside them. Nothing to do with me at all. They just can’t stand to hear of someone doing better than they are or than they think is possible.

    The facts have no impression on these crabs. It’s emotionally difficult for them to relate to someone talking about what I talk about. Whether I talk about it boastfully or come at it from an angle of encouragement makes little difference. It’s emotionally painful to be contrasted with someone who does what I’ve been doing, for some people.

    For others, it’s not only not a big deal, but I’m obviously not doing much that’s so special. I’m just getting out there and being socially sexual. You’d expect to have people fall in love with you if you are socially sexual. Even some stunners. That’s what happens.

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  234. on March 21, 2010 at 6:35 am Nicole

    Xsplat, in other words, you’re afraid others will do to you, what you do to them.

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  235. on March 21, 2010 at 7:04 am Linkage is Good for You: More Vintage Sensuality Edition

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  236. on March 21, 2010 at 8:11 am Jerry Ertans

    Xsplat is right about the crab basket behavior even on this blog’s comment section. Some guy on the Nyah thread just got called a liar for saying he was unemployed but still gets women. A few weeks ago a 50 year old was accused by a few guys and a feminist of being a liar for saying that Polish cab drivers were setting him up with 19 year olds from the local university. While guys come to this site to learn, they also come with cultural blinders on about the possibilities to change their own lives. It is best to accept others at face value and write things like “If you are for real, please provide more detailed advice about how I can achieve that for myself”. But its crazy to expect someone to send photos. Here are some reasons for crab basket behavior:

    1) There is huge resistance among US males to believing that they really would do better with women overseas and in a non-feminist society. The mentally ill rationalizations for this would take a book to describe.

    2) Out of shape males (or those who got their faces wrinkled by too much fun in the sun) are adamant about it being impossible to date a woman more than 15 years younger. Younger males can be jealous and hateful about the idea of older men, especially those with money, taking the women they want. They feel that using money is “cheating” or “unethical”. It is really sour grapes, and it is often not an older man’s money but his experience with game and his education that gets him dates.

    3) Lazy males who don’t want to learn languages or keep up on history and current events, love to say that women respond more to men of lower IQ and don’t want to hear about guys scoring who “did their homework”.

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  237. on March 21, 2010 at 8:35 am Jerry Ertans

    Also, some “professional” PUAs don’t want to believe it if they see someone write about a lifestyle better than the one they have in a western country. It can kill their authority somewhat, especially if they are insecure.

    1) The advice for a man to simply go overseas kills the money-making message of some professional western PUAs.

    2) The advice to dress better, learn more and make more money to get women, kills the message of many advocates of game as well.

    3) Many PUAs consider the thrill (and ethics of) the chase more important than the results. Among these are those who would never lie for sex nor pay for sex (despite CH saying the most beta thing you can write is that you will never lie for sex). To them, if you “Facebook close” a 6 looking and acting like you don’t have a job, that is better than sex with a 10 after getting others to “pre-select you” and help you successfully pass yourself off as being rich and successful (even if you are).

    @KrauserPUA has an interesting blog and admits to not being a professional. He presents videos of himself directly approaching HB6s and HB7s on the streets of London. What is interesting is that he seems to want to hunt with a handicap, like it is a sport with rules:

    1) He refuses to dress for success in the videos
    2) He refuses to approach 8+s
    3) Knowing he will meet women from East Europe, he has neither spent a week visiting those countries nor learned a few words from a famous song in each language (hasn’t done homework).
    4) I can’t see him remaining in England because of any career so I’d say he ought to move overseas now.

    But to such PUAs, they set their own rules and aren’t really into breaking them. It wouldn’t do any good to say “Get on a plane to Warsaw, dude, and I will set you up with a 9 this Saturday night”.

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  238. on March 21, 2010 at 12:32 pm penikkehidupan.com

    Thanks for this information, could you send to me another article like this. Tq

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  239. on March 21, 2010 at 5:24 pm xsplat

    Jerry/Jack, I agree with you that some consider game to have rules, and that cheating is a sign of lesser skill.

    But game is a word, not a board. Whatever works, works, and that’s the end of it.

    More important than rules, in game, is the outcome. And a lot of people great at game get poor outcomes, because their vision is not broad. They aim for something that does not bring contentment.

    The most important thing you can do with life is to find an attainable goal that brings life satisfaction. The next most important thing is to use all possible means to attain that goal. A lot of gamers fail at number one – assuming the goal is fucking a lot of sexy girls. For some guys that does not bring long term life satisfaction. Or assuming it’s marrying the perfect girl. Ditto. Knowing what brings happiness is not easy or obvious. And it changes. And once you know what you want, there are no rules. No such thing as cheating. You do what works, and if it works, you’ve won that game.

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  240. on March 21, 2010 at 5:32 pm xsplat

    I’ve made a lot of suggestions for what brings life satisfaction. For me it’s a well trained mate who you are into and have great chemistry with, who worships you and works hard to make you happy all the time.

    I find that very satisfying and it raises my life satisfaction a great deal

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  241. on March 21, 2010 at 5:40 pm anoukange

    Epoxy said: “More important than rules, in game, is the outcome. And a lot of people great at game get poor outcomes, because their vision is not broad. They aim for something that does not bring contentment.”

    –you’ve got it. Happiness is the end goal. It doesn’t matter the means by which it is reached. The more fearful a person, the more rigid the structure they follow and the more closed minded they are and remain or actually become. Don Juan left his lovers satisfied and wanting more. If it isn’t about giving good love, whether short term or long term, it isn’t about romance or seduction, it’s about that person’s own bag of issues. Motivations are the key to gauging the person’s head space.

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  242. on March 21, 2010 at 6:00 pm xsplat

    Hey, you know what, Anoukange? I think you’ve inadvertantly hit on a key to my successes.

    I actually love these girls.

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  243. on March 21, 2010 at 6:10 pm xsplat

    Oh, and maybe it’s more than that. I love myself, and invited the girls into a space that was good.

    When I hear of guys who advocate lying, it makes me scratch my head. How is that going to work out for you long term, and what exactly are you aiming for? How is the girl going to worship you in a sustainable fashion approach the situation without honor?

    I figure maybe someguys can weave a wonderful web with threads of lies. For me, nope, can’t do it. I weave a wonderful web out of stuff that I like. I don’t happen to like lies.

    The den I create is a comfortable home. That I invite people to.

    That’s a secret to seduction, right there.

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  244. on March 21, 2010 at 6:11 pm xsplat

    How is the girl going to worship you in a sustainable fashion if you approach the situation without honor?

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  245. on March 22, 2010 at 4:34 am Jerry Ertans

    A Maxim should be that a PUA should not decide for himself what women see as “honorable”. Women will signal to a man what they find important.

    I had a 20 year old foreign woman tell me the other day “You know, the reason I look up to you is because you served in the US military when you didn’t have to – that and other things set you apart as a real man”.

    Now, while the most despicable thing a man could do is lie about military service (especially combat), never have I ever heard a woman tell a man:

    “You know, the reason I look up to you is because you told me your exact real age when I met you – that makes you a real man”.

    I’ve know this woman for 2 years and she still assumes me to be 12 years younger than I am because I look that way.

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  246. on March 22, 2010 at 4:55 am Jerry Ertans

    The most honest man in real life could still be the biggest advocate online for the right to lie (because legal restrictions on social lying will come if there is too much emphasis on it being dishonorable). On the recent Storytelling post, I noted that a man who has traveled a lot ends up not having to embellish anything – except he would probably want to condense all his truthful experiences into fewer years so as not to appear like he’s too old for the 20 year old sitting across from him.

    A vetaran of the Vietnam War might want to actually leave out his true stories of that experience so as not to reveal that he must be over 60 especially if he looks no older than 45. A man has to be what he looks like. There is not much of a long-term benefit telling a 25 year old up front “I may look like I am only 40, but I am really over 60”.

    In the film “The Highlander” nobody would have believed Colin was 300 years old, so he lied about his age, no big deal.

    Feminists and Social Conservatives are gunning for the right of males to lie via various laws in the US Congress. This has to be stopped. Their argument, as always, will be that serial killers lie and good people don’t.

    The stupidest thing most American males do is tell every social network their real birthday, making it easy for them to be pigeon-holed by busybodies. One should give a fake birthday to 10 different sites and force women to ask you, not Google, how old you are.

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  247. on March 28, 2010 at 6:51 pm abc

    vetaran of the Vietnam War might want to actually leave out his true stories of that experience so as not to reveal that he must be over 60 especially if he looks no older than 45…
    I figure maybe someguys can weave a wonderful web with threads of lies. For me, nope, can’t do it. I weave a wonderful web out of stuff that I like. I don’t happen to like lies

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  248. on March 28, 2010 at 7:32 pm Jerry Ertans

    For instance, if you are over 35 but look a lot younger and you’ve ever been rejected by a 9 or 10 in her early 20s because you stated that you were that statistic and just 5 minutes into a PUA move, then there is nothing admirable or logical about being proud of having told the truth in answer to an impertinent question.

    Your getting rejected would have been your own doing. Smart older PUAs know damned well what age they have to be at the beginning with a given woman and, in the USA, that age happens to be exactly 10 years older than she is (especially online before meeting in real life).

    Very few men get rejected after the fact for age lying while enormous numbers of women and men are automatically rejected, especially online, for being stupid enough to pigeon-hole themselves and make it easy to be eliminated upfront.

    A woman saying she is 41 online has guaranteed herself zero attention from men that she might be getting offline because she might look a lot younger.

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  249. on March 28, 2010 at 7:46 pm Jerry Ertans

    Here is trigonomic proof that I am right:

    Say I have a female friend who is a 10 and she tells you that she will give you a make out session if you lie to her.

    She knows your age because you were silly enough to tell the truth when it was not her business. But she tells you to tell her what she wants to hear. The fun will start if you do so.

    Not to do so is just plain stupid.

    She’s not telling you that she’s wearing a push-up bra, what she looks like without make-up and that she has a complex about her labia being malformed (tons of women have this complex). Why is she not telling you the truth? Because, for starters, you were not impertinent enough to ask.

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  250. on March 28, 2010 at 7:19 pm Jerry Ertans

    @ABC Your little comment is illogical and reaks of self-righteousness without proof that you are securing 9s and 10s or, more importantly, that your real age is yet a disadvantage on paper.

    You need to read the post “The Most Beta Comment Ever Made On This Blog”. It says a man who won’t lie for sex under any circumstance is as beta as they come.

    If a 60 year old Vietnam Vet looks no older than 45, then it isn’t “weaving a web of lies” if he simply leaves out stories about his service in Vietnam and says once that he is 45. If he is alpha, she is not going to reject him when she is in love and learns the truth after having great sex. If she does reject him after the fact for lying, she would have done so at the beginning anyway, leaving him without having had any sex and the opportunity to enjoy as much as he wanted from her in the first place before going on to the next woman.

    Feminists would like to make lying online illegal.

    Saying “I don’t happen to like lies” is sometimes equivalent to saying “I would pass up sex with a 10 before I would lie”. He has stated that such a comment is equivalent to the most beta comment ever made on this blog.

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