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March 23, 2010 by CH

A reader emails:

Dear Chateau,

I am a 32 year old quasi-alpha who is looking to make up for lost time. Due to my history and upbringing, I have had few successful relationships with women. I am returning to college to finish my degree. Could you make some suggestions so my time in college is more fruitful this time? Could you recommend some resources to read (besides your blog, which totally rocks btw)? Do you do phone counseling?

I get emails from readers requesting game resources at least once a week. I think I’ve written about resources before, but in case not, here is a reference post that lists what I believe is very good pickup material. The following is what I consider top tier game resources.

  • The Mystery Method

Still the bible of pickup. Read this one first because it will introduce you in layman’s terms to the evolutionary wisdom that underlies the seduction of women, and very quickly moves on to real, practical techniques that you can immediately apply in field. Mystery Method isn’t the final word on pickup, and it has some flaws in its focus on opening large groups in nightclubs that might put off more introverted men, but it continues to be one of the best reference manuals out there. There is a new and improved edition that dispenses with some of the off-putting acronyms.

  • David Deangelo’s Cocky Comedy and Interviews with Dating Gurus Series

A good game resource should do one thing well — it should give you tools that you can easily envision using in the field and will result in immediate positive feedback from women. Deangelo’s cocky/funny banter does just that. (PS: You can find a lot of this stuff for, ahem, considerably less than retail price.)

  • Savoy’s Magic Bullets

Savoy used to be in business with Mystery before he broke out on his own and wrote “Magic Bullets”. (Mystery reformulated his company from “Mystery Method” to “Venusian Arts” because of a legal issue surrounding the breaking up of the original pickup companies.) I’ve only glanced through this book, but from what I saw it looks good. Right on point and fluff-free. Lots of solid routines and ready-to-use examples.

  • Pickup 101’s Fearless First Impressions, Attraction Secrets, and Art of Rapport DVDs

Lance Mason may not be a game innovator like Mystery, but he puts it together in a very polished product. His “Dress to Impress” style guide and his “Physical Confidence” DVDs are also noteworthy.

  • Roosh’s “Bang”

“Bang” gets a prominent place in this list because, quite frankly, I find myself referencing Roosh’s pickup guide more often than the more expensive selections above. It’s a slim volume that you can turn to in a pinch, like just before heading out for the night. The best thing about “Bang” is its accessibility; there are “cool, down to earth” lines in here that you can actually picture yourself saying, even if you are a shy guy.

  • Neil Strauss’ “The Game”

This is not so much a reference manual of game tactics as it is a biography of the pickup lifestyle. Important in its own right, but not required reading if all you want are practical tools to begin seducing women. Nevertheless, you should read it if for no other reason than that it brings you into a world of possibility and shows you the lives of a bunch of non-famous dudes successfully bedding hot women using nothing but game technique. Also gives you a glimpse at the unbalanced genius that is Mystery. Inspiring.

  • Tony’s Layguide

The progenitor of Mystery and Style? A landmark lay guide. Read it.

  • Real Social Dynamics “The Blueprint”

I haven’t read much of Tyler Durden’s stuff (he runs RSD), but I keep hearing from people that his Blueprint series is excellent. So I include it on the top tier list caveat emptor.

My second tier list of game resources:

After reading the above, you may find some value in the following products.

  • Stephane Hemon’s Girlfriend Training Program

I’m on his mailing list. Sure, he’s a loopy new-ager, but he’s got some valuable things to say about inner game and the nature of women. Don’t let the chakra stuff put you off. Hemon used to have a Squirting Orgasm video guide, but I think he stopped selling it because of the breakup with the girl featured in the video. Learning to give your girl a squirting orgasm is an underappreciated art. Or you can get lucky and bang blogger chicks who squirt naturally.

  • The Real Social Dynamics and Stylelife internet forums

The internet forums are some of the best places to get the latest in game techniques. I’d participate in these forums if I could remember my damned user ID and passwords.

  • Badboy ebook and DVDs

Probably the closest PUA to a true natural. Guy walks with a limp from a war injury acquired during the Serbian conflict and bangs hot East Euro babes. One of the few pickup dudes I’d actually like to meet in real life.

  • Carlos Xuma and Zan DVDs

Smooth operators. The older gentleman’s pickup resource.

  • Robert Cialdini’s book “Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion”

What do sales, politics, business, love, and pickup have in common? Everything.

  • Robert Wright’s evospych book “The Moral Animal”

My very first introduction to evolutionary psychology. Eye-opening. Goes to show that a liberal can occasionally put out a worthwhile book.

  • Matt Ridley’s evo book “The Red Queen”

The red pill.

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This isn’t an inclusive list by any means. I tend to weight material that has been out in circulation for a while because, to be honest, I haven’t read much game stuff in the past year. So if anyone has a resource they’d recommend, or a suggestion for material of a recent vintage that might contain improvements on old ways of doing things, feel free to mention it in the comments. We should never stop learning.

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  1. on March 23, 2010 at 11:48 am Jerry Ertans

    The original 1970s classic “How to Pick Up Girls” needs to be required reading for any 13 year old male in your extended family. You have to learn this stuff young or you will be out of your league at 18 (as most males are).

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  2. on March 23, 2010 at 11:50 am The Specimen

    I found Paul Janka’s pamphlet on getting laid in Manhattan to be excellent.

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  3. on March 23, 2010 at 11:51 am PA

    My intro to game was via Doc Love, whose online archives I read through about 10 years ago. He sells his “The System” in a $100 book called “Dating Dictionary” but I never purchased it, just read his online articles on AskMen.

    Doc Love is solid, especially as a LTR guide. Old school in a way, emphasizing the imperative to remain classy. Constantly throws throws out James Bond and Cary Grant as ideal role models. The cornerstone to his “system” is the three-C’s: (1) being a Challenge, (2) having Confidence, and (3) having self-Control.

    Coaches guys to preselect attractive women who also have these basic three qualities: (1) integrity, (2) is a ‘giver’, and (3) has a flexible attitude.

    His advice might not be great for short or ugly guys. “The System” is best for good looking guys, as he takes a woman’s immediate physical attraction as the basis for a successful seduction. Meanwhile Mystery, Staruss et all show how to build attraction based on negs etc.

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  4. on March 23, 2010 at 11:53 am The Truth

    Also check out The Attraction Code by Vin DiCarlo. Awesome.

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  5. on March 23, 2010 at 11:54 am Backdoor Man

    What about the 48 Laws of Power?

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  6. on March 23, 2010 at 11:56 am Lobo Feroz

    Agreed with Vin DiCarlo’s “The Attraction Code”. He teaches you how a natural thinks, and how to achieve that mindset. It’s an awesome book.

    Also Franco’s “Manual of Seduction” and “Practical Female Psychology”, they give great insights into the female mind.

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  7. on March 23, 2010 at 11:56 am valmont

    I feel that the list is incomplete and relies heavily on new PUA material. how about material written before the PUA community? I would recommend

    – Anything by Robert Greene specially 48 laws of power and Art of Seduction

    – Ovid : Art of Love (2000y old but timeless advice!)

    -Pimp story of my life by Iceberg Slim ( how to truly pimp women and gain the upper hand)

    – Modeone:Let the women know what you’re thinking by Alan Roger Currie ( The best direct game book I ever read, straight up and no BS)

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  8. on March 23, 2010 at 12:02 pm Brian

    Doc Love’s “the system”. Good book. I read it daily. It teaches some real fundamental basics of dating. Its a gentleman’s book that encourages looking for a LTR and how to keep it. Its worked wonders for my life. My wife loves me more each day.

    A friend of mine equated Doc Love to Obi-won Kenobi, and H to Anakin.

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  9. on March 23, 2010 at 12:07 pm Lobo Feroz

    More non-PUA books:

    “How to Make Friends and Influence People” – Dale Carnegie – basic sociability

    “My Secret Garden” – Nancy Friday – women’s fantasies

    “Sperm Wars” – Robin Baker & “The Selfish Gene” – Richard Dawkings – genetic darwinism and evo-psych

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  10. on March 23, 2010 at 12:12 pm CMPitts

    Mode One is a must.

    48 Laws of Power, and the Art of Seduction, also, bang up shit.

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  11. on March 23, 2010 at 12:16 pm lurker

    Thank you; I’ve long searched for a competent list for this reading. I picked up Strauss’s The Game, but mistook it for a guide as opposed to a biography (poorly written, in my opinion).

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  12. on March 23, 2010 at 12:21 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    All you need is Mystery Method and Bang – read those two books and then just get in the fild and approach.

    The field work is the stuff that always gets me

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  13. on March 23, 2010 at 12:28 pm azuzuru

    Not really a pickup book, but “How to Win Friends and Influence People” is infinitely applicable to game as well as your whole life. Timeless advice on how to engage in conversations and easily develop connections with others. This book changed my life.

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  14. on March 23, 2010 at 12:29 pm RTC

    Good call linking business and game. When I read Mystery Method, my performance at work increased immediately.

    Of course, my performance later decreased as pickup became a larger priority until I got it under control. Somebody needs to write a good relationship game / harem management book – H, this could be your niche. This blog has the best insights I’ve seen on that topic.

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  15. on March 23, 2010 at 12:33 pm The realist

    CH keep up your alpha assessment and test of game posts. Once you’ve read a few of these books/resources you’ve seen them all. It’s good to compare notes though, debate/discuss new situations with fellow practitioners and get some real time specific advice and commentary.

    I’m sure even you learn a little from your readers from time to time.

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  16. on March 23, 2010 at 12:33 pm ASDF

    This is the only resource you will ever need.

    Actually, if anyone has a link to that funny 80’s video “How to use magic to pick up chicks” or something, post it here. I couldn’t find it on youtube.

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  17. on March 23, 2010 at 12:37 pm collegeboy

    Well…collegegame is game that leans way more into the “social proof” and “social alignment” side. I’m talking way more than at a club or lounge. By meeting with the right type of people, going to parties, drinking, and dancing.

    But since your in your 30’s that will look sort of off. I mean you could pull it off but I have yet to hear about it let alone see it. So he is right to tell you about MM.

    When it comes to college chicks if you are going to use MM don’t use it word for word try to only use the rudiments it gives you. I’m pretty sure she will bring up the age difference so tease her on it. (neg)
    Oh and also don’t peacock.
    Also collegegirls are flaky ass hell (esp if they don’t know you from someone else) so don’t get discouraged too quickly.

    You really only need the MM, Bang, and The Game(just to see what its like). The rest is just details. Exposure will bring you way more knowledge than all those other books.

    But if you still want to read then evo psych is the next best thing.

    Read:
    Mean Genes
    T.Ricky Raws website.
    therawness()com

    all the other seduction advice has been posted.

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  18. on March 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm culdcept

    I want to put in a good word for Bang and Roosh’s blog. Bang is what got me started. Its simple, has specific examples and most of the methods can be applied to many different situations. Spend a few hours reading it and you will be able to go and start the very same day with success.

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  19. on March 23, 2010 at 12:47 pm Ovid

    How about any of these:

    http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/125511605/Practical+Magic?tab=summary

    Also, what about that Ray Gordon fellow?

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  20. on March 23, 2010 at 12:50 pm Danny

    Doc Love is getting some lovin’. Great to see.

    His System and the PUA material complement each other really well. Doc respects those guys a lot and recommends them highly for approach ideas and to build that initial interest. After you have that initial interest, his System totally works to keep it. I got The System down first years ago, and the PUA stuff fit right in afterwards. My PUA-first friends have a harder time fitting The System in second for some reason. There’s a slight disconnect, and it shows. The girls I keep around always melt for me much more than their girls melt for them. If they did a few more things straight out of Doc’s book, they’d be bathing in their women’s femininity.

    Doc’s online archives are good, but the $100 book has so much more info. It’s fun to bust out in public periodically. Girls can’t take their eyes off of it and look like they’re dying to know what’s inside. Hold it just below belt level for optimum effect. Great convo starter.

    It’s great for chicks too. Girls: get it and act like the woman Doc describes. Your guy will be so much happier.

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  21. on March 23, 2010 at 12:51 pm maurice

    A lot of this material has to be calibrated to the style and personality of the individual (= congruence). The better ones all state this explicitly, but not all the referenced books would work for every guy – ex., the “cocky funny” thing would not work well for certain reserved personality types, etc.

    “The Game” is still a great read. Even aside from the pickup material, it’s got a great story arc of personal growth and a gaggle of movie-worthy characters: hero, flawed protagonist, villains, eccentric bit players, and lots of beautiful women. Reads like a screenplay, probably not by accident. It got optioned immediately, and I heard somewhere that Russell Brand was in talks to play Mystery. Kind of odd with the real Mystery out there as a TV personality…

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  22. on March 23, 2010 at 12:54 pm Planet Grok

    I found Strauss’s “The Game” depressing and not worthy of first-tier status. All of the PUA’s depicted in the book seemed like a bunch of dysfunctional freaks. I think those who want to learn game are better off just learning the techniques these guys teach, or just reading this blog for free. No need to read the dirty behind-the-scenes personal details of crybabies like Mystery and robots like Tyler Durden. None of the “seductions” mentioned were all that impressive either (although Strauss’ threesome routine was kind of cool) they were mostly just banging pill-popping party sluts. If anything, the book probably has the net effect of turning people off of Game.

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  23. on March 23, 2010 at 1:01 pm sdaedalus

    Thanks. This is very useful.

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  24. on March 23, 2010 at 1:04 pm Juice Terry

    As ever you are very much on the ball with your suggestions. That is a great, great list especially Mystery’s work and Tyler Durden’s Magnum Opus “The Blueprint”.

    I would also suggest these books and programmes to anyone seeking to learn more about the human condition and who wants to enjoy a richer and fuller sex life.

    The Complete Game System by 60 Years of Challenge:
    This is the best book in the “community” that is out there at the moment. It is literally setting the community ablaze. 60 is an eloquent writer and it represents a new improvement on game. A genuine paradigm shift and if guys learned the principals from this book, their success would skyrocket. Firmly rooted in being a dominant alpha, “escalation is attractive” is one of his mantras. 60s views will chime strongly with your own CH.

    Mode One-Let the Women Know What you are REALLY Thinking by Allan Roger Currie.
    Superbly well written. Advocates direct, unapologetically sexual approaches. Great for cultivating the correct mindset

    My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday
    The classic work from the 70s by Nancy Friday. Profoundly illuminating – guess what, women are highly sexual creatures who crave dominance

    Sperm Wars by Robin Baker
    The best evolutionary psychology book ever written. Read this and go deep down the Rabbit Hole

    Sex & War; How Biology explains War & Sex by Malcom Potts
    A superb read about how we really are just sadly a rapacious, violent primate with a capacity for civilising and improving the world we live in in spite of our base stone age drives and emotions.

    Demonic Confidence by Lucas West
    A fantastic way to have unlimited confidence surging through your veins

    Paul Janka – Various. He knows his stuff however Janka does have model good looks so by approaching it as simply a numbers game, well, he will get laid a lot.

    Pimp by IceBerg Slim
    A classic and incredibly well written. Again, it illustrates how confidence, dominance, swagger, unpredictability and shockingly, a little violence will make a stream of beautiful women to be enthralled by you and would do anything that you require of them.

    My Booky Wook by Russell Brand
    Russell Brand is a modern Dandy who is both a hilarious comedian and a degenerate lothario who has slept with thousands of women. It is a great read and absorbing Russells approach to life will result in you being funnier & more successful with the lay-deez

    Porno and Glue by Irvine Welsh
    Both are excellent novels that deserve reading for their literary merits. However the world view, the rock solid confidence and the frame control of the unashamed ladies man Juice Terry Lawson is a joy to read. Emulate his alpha mindset.

    The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle
    A little new agey perhaps however it is simply Great for your “inner game” and for being more fun, less hung up and repressed when you go out. Essential reading, along with A New Earth. Popularized by Tyler Durden

    Johnny Soporno – Seductive Reasoning.
    Johnny has a lot of interesting things to say as his thinking is firmly rooted in evolutionary psychology.

    David DeAngelo – Man Transformations.
    David D’s best product yet…………….fantastic array of guest speakers too including a great seminar by Brad P

    Sleazy Stories by Aaron Sleazy
    A great text on direct, sexual game in nightclubs.

    Glenn Harold – Develop your Self Confidence.
    A great way to hypnotise yourself to being confident

    Steve Piccus – White Tiger Tantra
    The guy that Stephane Hermone learned from. Learn how to make your girl have intense squirting orgasms each and every time.

    I am sure I am forgetting a lot of other worthy products and books !

    [editor: thanks for the suggestions, juice. i’ll definitely check out 60’s book.]

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  25. on March 23, 2010 at 1:05 pm Firepower

    Planet Grok

    If anything, the book probably has the net effect of turning people off of Game.

    It’s Zen
    but that’s
    an admirable goal

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  26. on March 23, 2010 at 1:08 pm OhioStater

    John Alexander’s “How to Become an Alpha Male” is pretty good. The 48 laws of power will lead to tight inner game, but John’s book will help you fake it until you make it.

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  27. on March 23, 2010 at 1:17 pm PA

    Wikipedia has a short but descriptive piece on Doc Love: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Love

    Doc has one big contestable assertion: that once a woman’s degree of attraction (“interest level”) goes below 50%, and he does benchmark those percentages, it will never go back up above 50%, so the relationship is doomed.

    This seemed like a reasonable assertion, until I started doubting it after having read DFH’s and other guys’ accounts of how they were able to rebuild their wives’ very low attraction levels by using solid LTR Game.

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  28. on March 23, 2010 at 1:19 pm Wocka

    No list is valid without the following:

    Franco’s
    Manual of Seduction
    Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man

    Everything written by Rollo Tomassi and Pook.

    Also recommended: Rion Williams, Vin Dicarlo, Gunwitch, Dr. Paul.

    Finally, Stephane Hermon turned out so fucking crazy that everything he wrote should be discounted.

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  29. on March 23, 2010 at 1:19 pm Matt Savage

    “No More Mr. Nice Guy!” by Robert Glover

    Also, I tend to find the FastSeduction.com message boards to be more useful than the two mentioned above, but that’s just me.

    Also, for a list of all the books mentioned in The Game:

    http://themodernsavage.com/2008/03/09/14-seduction-books-listed-in-the-game/

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  30. on March 23, 2010 at 1:20 pm Schmoe

    I got started in game via the BadBoy stuff, which I found after I badboy’ed a girl accidentally. Huge initial attraction, but I wanted to learn how to keep it fresh and not go off the rails like my last LTR, which interestingly also started with accidental game. I take the stuff mentioned here in small doses, but it sounds like Doc Love might be more my speed. I also read the Sexual Key stuff, which seemed interesting but I never really put it to the test. David Shade’s info seems interesting for specifics on what to do once you get the girl.

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  31. on March 23, 2010 at 1:42 pm Jabberwocky

    “The Evolution of Desire” is a decent evo-psych book on the mating game.

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  32. on March 23, 2010 at 2:17 pm 3point5

    Similar to NS’ The Game which is a solid introduction – what about the pickup podcast?? They interview significant PUA in the community(as a whole), figure out what makes them successful, their tips and techs…

    I would say that 10% of their episodes blow (i.e. I don’t do internet dating game nor do I use facebook to game chicks, call me crazy).

    Its a great starting point and refresher – Additionally it’s 100% FREE, I listen to it at work and you can stream it from itunes/iphone for free as well.

    http://pickuppodcast.com/

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  33. on March 23, 2010 at 2:20 pm 587Pounds

    Ovid, that’s an interesting link, but none of the titles are clickable.

    How do I download those things?

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  34. on March 23, 2010 at 2:32 pm Firepower

    Self-aggrandizing Plug-a-Palooza in…

    four
    three
    two…

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  35. on March 23, 2010 at 2:50 pm Willy Wonka

    Good shit.

    All I’ve read so far is Bang, but I need to read Mystery Method – that’s next on the list.

    Real life practice > reading books though, IMO, but they are to be used as resources and for new ideas, etc.

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  36. on March 23, 2010 at 2:54 pm Brant

    One of the more poignant moments in modern game theory
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Opposite

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  37. on March 23, 2010 at 2:58 pm C

    “The Moral Animal” and “The Red Queen” are excellent. Steven Pinker’s “How The Mind Works” is also fantastic.

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  38. on March 23, 2010 at 3:11 pm Mhoram

    As a fairly introverted guy myself, I got a lot out of DeAngelo’s stuff, especially his 2002 seminar videos. He and his guest speakers were fairly laid back, and the focus was more on internal frame than on lines and routines (though he covered that too). More James Bond/James Dean than the life-of-the-party comedian/DJ type, in other words.

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  39. on March 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm The Deadliest Snatch

    Hey HBDouches! Looks like you and your feeble minded ilk are the ones responsible for the scourge of marriage counseling. Nice job fuck faces.

    http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2010/03/29/100329crat_atlarge_lepore?currentPage=1

    Funny enough, a lot of your rhetoric seems eerily similar to what these guys were saying back in the very early 20th century. Newtonian mechanics in a quantum physics world. Now that’s what I call intellectual progress. When are you guys going to learn to put down the histograms, pick up some cool clothes and music and get yourselves laid?

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  40. on March 23, 2010 at 3:15 pm ASD

    As a science background book Sperm Wars clearly comes before Cialdini and the Red Queen. Few other books are as concrete, well-written and disillusioning as that book.

    Frankly it’s clear eyed enough that it functions pretty well as a pick-up manual in its own right.

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  41. on March 23, 2010 at 3:19 pm justareader

    Are you seriously advocating buying a $599 DVD? This is just infomercial scam garbage.

    Tyler Durden? Seriously? You know that’s a fictional character, right?

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  42. on March 23, 2010 at 3:26 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    Doc love and “challenge” is one of the best theories around. Dude nails it on the head.

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  43. on March 23, 2010 at 3:30 pm Chadimus

    Surprised you missed one of the better books on game out there:

    Secrets of the A Game by Logan Edwards

    Far easier to work with than Mystery Method in my opinion.

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  44. on March 23, 2010 at 3:35 pm Steve Johnson

    For the science book in the list I’d put Sperm Wars ahead of Red Queen.

    Red Queen has more stories across nature and is more interesting from a pure biology standpoint but Sperm Wars is 100% focused on human mating. Each chapter focuses on a single behavior and tells an extremely vivid story that illustrates it. The chapter on cunnilingus’ title? “Licking Infidelity”. Ha!

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  45. on March 23, 2010 at 3:45 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I’ve only read the Venusian Arts. I thought it was great but have no basis of comparison other than the stuff I’ve read online.

    I’ll pick up Bang at some point. I really like Roosh’s approach to game.

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  46. on March 23, 2010 at 3:50 pm another blogger

    Or you can get lucky and bang blogger chicks who squirt naturally.

    I knew it. You banged her, too!

    [editor: and i thought i was special. :)]

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  47. on March 23, 2010 at 4:10 pm Wolfie

    Anything by Mehow is golden.

    On the other side of things, and speaking of loopy new agers, you gotta see this.

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  48. on March 23, 2010 at 4:14 pm el chief

    I also recommend Doc Love.

    In other news:

    “Single Women Still Feel Spinster Stigma, Study Finds”

    http://www.livescience.com/culture/single-women-spinster-stigma-100323.html

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  49. on March 23, 2010 at 4:25 pm Peter

    In other news:

    “Single Women Still Feel Spinster Stigma, Study Finds”

    They’re also still singed by the sting of herpes
    From the carousel of cock they were on in their 20’s!!!

    Hiyo!!!

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  50. on March 23, 2010 at 4:27 pm Richard Hoste

    Do you think it’s even possible to be alpha when you’re 32 and going back to get your college degree (assuming that the guy is going to be an undergrad)? In the white middle class you get your BA by the time that your 25 or so. If you’re 30+ and working on your first degree most people will think you’re a loser, fair or not.

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  51. on March 23, 2010 at 4:31 pm The realist

    @Richard Hoste

    White middle class?

    When did you get the impression that shit was Alpha? who gives a fuck what the white middle class are saying? The same white middle class guys who getting married to fat wives then divorced then taken to the cleaners….

    Lets see how much pussy he gets at college and THEN decide if hes Alpha. I think the whole point of this site is that theres very much more to being alpha then when you get your BA….LOL

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  52. on March 23, 2010 at 4:33 pm Roosh

    Tony’s Layguide was my gateway drug into game.

    Thanks for the mention.

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  53. on March 23, 2010 at 4:38 pm Richard Hoste

    @realist

    Then can you be 50, working on your BA and alpha (without being a celebrity or something)? There’s gotta be an age limit where you can be in college and not a loser.

    I remember when H posted that story about the Mexican beauty queen who was running with drug smugglers. They were surely alpha and don’t have BAs, but they wouldn’t decide to go back to college because they needed a career change.

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  54. on March 23, 2010 at 4:44 pm The realist

    Well it’s hard to be alpha at 50 bwhatever you are doing unless you have the money and serious game to back it up.

    You think if you are attractive enough and have good enough game chicks even give a fuck about your career? This guy isn’t going to be explaining to every chick i meet……

    “hi im a loser im 32 and still studying for my BA”

    I think if thats the best game hes got hes pretty much fucked, but then again its not much better than “hi im 22 im studying for my BA”

    LOL he wants to get laid not taken to the cleaners in divorce court. I think you need the resources more than him.

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  55. on March 23, 2010 at 4:47 pm The realist

    loool that last post didnt make sense but yeh, as long as he hits gym and works on his game he should be lovin that shit

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  56. on March 23, 2010 at 4:50 pm The G Manifesto

    The Only Game Video You Need to Watch

    – MPM

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  57. on March 23, 2010 at 4:52 pm The G Manifesto

    “Well it’s hard to be alpha at 50 bwhatever you are doing unless you have the money and serious game to back it up.”

    If you are 50 years old you Should have plenty and money to back it up.

    You have had 50 years to perfect it.

    – MPM

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  58. on March 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm strikeforcemorituri

    Great list of books, My favourite the one that pretty much laid it out for me was Paul Janka’s Guide to getting laid in Manhattan. After that I read the Mystery Method and just perused online sites from that point. Never read the Game by Neil Strauss but from what I hear it’s a really sad read. Gotta be honest though this site here has taught me way more than all those books combined.

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  59. on March 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm Lupo

    I liked David Shade’s manual. It’s “advanced” stuff; inner game, threesomes, hypnosis and squirting orgasms, and to be honest I haven’t tried a lot of it, but it definitely taught me some stuff I didn’t know, and might prove useful in the future. Pretty much the only thing I’ve actually paid for, and I thought it was worth it.
    Ross Jeffries used to have some cool free resources out there; compilations from alt.seduction.fast and such, that was the first I was exposed to the whole thing. Mystery’s old ebook was good too.

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  60. on March 23, 2010 at 4:56 pm Lupo

    Oh yeah: and Cialdini is key to everything in the universe.

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  61. on March 23, 2010 at 4:59 pm The realist

    @ G

    Yeah that was my point G, he’ll hit that hurdle when he comes to it.

    I’m sure you’ll be chilling in retirement by that age, and by in retirement i mean in a custom suit with a monte-christo, 2 fly bitches and a blue tooth ear piece, barking orders at all the meathead crooks and lower level enforcers below you in the crime heirarchy pyramid that is your successful drug and girl swooping empire.

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  62. on March 23, 2010 at 5:06 pm Casual

    I’ve personally found Brad P’s Fashion Bible to be pretty helpful. Also Mode One by Alan Roger Curie.

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  63. on March 23, 2010 at 5:06 pm Silver Fox

    All the PUA books listed above are part of the PUA wave that started in 2001.

    These ‘masters’ are largely Kids who give seminars at Best Westerns and have never held a real job. Its all fine and good that they copyrighted “negs” and other tricks.

    However, if you are in NY City or London with a high concentration of serious Alphas…then you will need the real deal v. the PUA crap that works for guys in strip-malls and TGIFs.

    I have read all the above PUA books; and they went right back to Amazon for a refund.

    This book was published in the late 70s and specifically addresses the older man / younger babe dynamic.

    http://www.amazon.com/How-Date-Young-Women-over/dp/0962067156

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  64. on March 23, 2010 at 5:17 pm Lupo

    Since people are quoting literature:

    H.L. Mencken’s “In Defense of Women” is the most honest portrayal of the female psyche, warts and all, I have ever read.

    Esther Vilar wrote a hilarious book called “the manipulated man;” so funny and devastating, you can’t buy it in America. I got mine at UK amazon. Worth every penny of shipping.

    Casanova’s autobiography was excellent inspiration as well, and it’s also a good game manual if you have the time to read it. I’ve read most of it; great boudoir material. Girls dig it too; much more than “manual” types of things. I recommend the Trask translation, as the others leave out the good saucy bits.

    I don’t know about these “how to dress” manuals; like G, I have always preferred and done well with classic style. Alan Flusser’s books on how to dress are what you need for classic style. You dress like a biker, and you can pick up biker chicks and girls with metal shit in their face. Dress like a proper gentleman and all doors are open to you.

    Finally: yes to Iceberg Slim’s “Pimp.”

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  65. on March 23, 2010 at 5:19 pm Rum

    “Justine” by the Marquis de Sade is not for everybody but the dude understood a lot about the female psyche. Keep in mind, it was hardly ever the women who turned on him.

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  66. on March 23, 2010 at 5:24 pm Basil Ransom

    Recently saw Vicky Christina Barcelona. Javier Bardem’s character is worth imitating.

    Started perusing 60 years of challenge, interesting.

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  67. on March 23, 2010 at 5:39 pm Hardcore

    There’s a classic, groundbreaking book from 1995 called The Machiavellian Guide to Womanizing by Nick Casanova. I’d say this guy was advocating cocky/funny before anyone. Hilarious read, maybe out of print though.

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  68. on March 23, 2010 at 5:42 pm Eric

    Doc Love’s System is very good but I needed to the specific PUA advice on creating attraction to put it all together and make it work for me.

    Sperm Wars is excellent, and I really enjoyed The Game.

    CH, your site is one of my all-time online favorites. The social stuff I’ve incorporated has helped me not only with females, but business & social situations as well. This is powerful stuff and I would never, ever have figured it out on my own.

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  69. on March 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm AmpFit

    Mark J. Ryan’s BREAKING THE SEDUCTION CODE was my first introduction at how to revamp my approach with women. I don’t agree with all of it but I’d sat it’s a solid place to jump to when filling in the gaps. He still has free podcasts available somewhere in cyberspace.

    And, if you can find them, Tom Leykis’ archived radio shows have some good points on dealing with women, beta men, and a crumbling society at large.

    H has a useable list in both tiers. And, yeah, never stop learning. The comment section of this blog is more helpful and insightful than many of the game forums currently available.

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  70. on March 23, 2010 at 5:52 pm BDM

    FYI, Stephane no longer offers the Girlfriend Training Program – though you can still find it on filesharing sites – because he considers his new products to be superior. He has also become very critical of the seduction community, and his new material runs contrary to a lot of stuff that’s taught nowadays – which isn’t a bad thing. If you’re interested the website is ideagasms.net

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  71. on March 23, 2010 at 6:04 pm Carlton Grey

    Lupo:

    I just pulled out my copy of “A Mencken Chrestomathy” and starting reading through the stuff on women. Hilarious and tragically true.

    I’ve always loved that guy.

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  72. on March 23, 2010 at 6:40 pm Colt Hardington

    Vin Dicarlo “The Attraction Code”. The man is a genius and the book basically gives you the tools and the mindset to become a natural\Alpha very fast. Once i read the book things seemed to just “click” for me and i knew what to do in almost any situation. EvoPsych, Alpha mindset, and down to earth reasoning of why it all works, its all there.

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  73. on March 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm oscar wilde

    After having read a number of the books listed I believe that reading CH’s blog from beginning to end is wildly more entertaining, well-written & informative than most of the resources mentioned combined.

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  74. on March 23, 2010 at 6:50 pm CrimsonRide

    Seriously? Dude is 30+ and just now entering college? Irreparable loser.

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  75. on March 23, 2010 at 6:54 pm AntiHBD

    Aren’t you the intellectual, citing Ridley. I studied evolutionary psychology at the graduate level before you and the other Sailerites started spewing your dumbed-down neo-eugenicist, misogynist swill.

    You are a second rate Ragnar Redbeard. (Of course you don’t know who that is; you’re not very well read, are you?)

    A dementia-stage Nietzsche crossed with Mystery. (The douchebag, not the concept.)

    Quote from your earlier post: “I am wishing for the day to come when the traitors swing from the lamp posts.”

    What a hero. You sound like Lenin wishing death on the kulaks. First as tragedy, then as farce. You’re the farce.

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  76. on March 23, 2010 at 7:06 pm jh

    “I found Strauss’s “The Game” depressing and not worthy of first-tier status. All of the PUA’s depicted in the book seemed like a bunch of dysfunctional freaks. I think those who want to learn game are better off just learning the techniques these guys teach, or just reading this blog for free. No need to read the dirty behind-the-scenes personal details of crybabies like Mystery and robots like Tyler Durden. None of the “seductions” mentioned were all that impressive either (although Strauss’ threesome routine was kind of cool) they were mostly just banging pill-popping party sluts. If anything, the book probably has the net effect of turning people off of Game.”

    So, in other words: the reality of what happens with most guys who make pick-up a way of life (as opposed to them being balanced enough to use the material as just a supplement to make their sex life and social life more enjoyable) is ugly. Thus, you bash the story of it.

    Sounds like the truth hurts.

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  77. on March 23, 2010 at 7:08 pm Druli

    When it comes to learning game these days you might want to have a look at the stuff Adam Lyons does. I like his style for the same reason I like Roosh’s Bang: It’s short and sweet and gives advice that can be applied by normal people. Adam goes a long way to answer the beginners question “What am I supposed to do?” You will probably not end with a perfect CH-worldview if you just follow Adam Lyons, however. So there is a catch.

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  78. on March 23, 2010 at 7:34 pm old guy

    You might consider ” Beneath the Underdog ” by Charles Mingus.

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  79. on March 23, 2010 at 7:37 pm john

    That a-hole Roosh! Every time I try and find “Bang” it says “removed due to copyright…” Fuck Dat!!!

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  80. on March 23, 2010 at 7:43 pm john

    Oh,btw,any resources on getting Asian chicks??

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  81. on March 23, 2010 at 8:03 pm Ross

    This on the day I finished reading through all your archives. You must monitor the hit counter. Oh, and thanks. You stirred a sleeping giant.

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  82. on March 23, 2010 at 8:24 pm stc

    iceberg slim and his contemporary, donald goines, are great. you should also read as much charles bukowski as you can.

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  83. on March 23, 2010 at 8:25 pm Polymath

    Good lists, I hadn’t realized how much was out there. It seems that if you have some basic social skills, are a good learner, and are willing to practice, learning game can do wonders for you, and there are so many sources for it that an intelligent person can figure out what the essential “core curriculum” involves.

    I’d like to see H’s recommended reading list for more advanced and specialized topics.

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  84. on March 23, 2010 at 8:59 pm Popeye Doyle

    John,
    why don’t you try something novel… buying it (bang)
    it’s like 10$Us

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  85. on March 23, 2010 at 9:22 pm epiclolz

    What do sales, politics, business, love, and pickup have in common? Everything.

    BAM! a truthier statement cannot be made.

    Reminds me of this post I saw a while ago that mentioned an old Harvard Business Review article entitled
    “Torment your customers, they’ll love it”

    “Everyone in business today seems to take it as a God-given truth that companies were put on this earth for one purpose alone: to pander to customers. Marketers spend all their time slavishly tracking the needs of buyers, then meticulously crafting products and pitches to satisfy them. Marketing has become a sober-sided discipline. It has lost its sense of fun. It has forgotten how to flirt.”

    here is where i originally saw the article, it’s a marketing blog that shows the parallels of pickup
    http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/marketing_is_pickup/

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  86. on March 23, 2010 at 9:48 pm xsplat

    john

    Oh,btw,any resources on getting Asian chicks??

    Sure, find discount airfare in the travel section of your local Sunday newspaper. Asians in Asia are like tomatoes on the vine.

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  87. on March 23, 2010 at 10:27 pm Tupac Chopra

    Or you can get lucky and bang blogger chicks who squirt naturally.

    Lemmonex, eh? I fucking KNEW it. Hook me with the digits bro.

    [editor: not her. but good guess.]

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  88. on March 23, 2010 at 10:33 pm Tupac Chopra

    This was a decent list — if a little padded – but I would like to put my two cents in for Roosh’s Bang and Gunwitch’s Way Of Gun.

    Both guys are straight shooter normal dudes who have been in the field and know how *relatively* normal chicks act. I would recommend both books for Noobs who don’t know where to start and who might be at risk for being overwhelmed by all the info out there. Good, solid basic information for guys who want to get their foot in the door.

    All the other stuff is pretty high level game for guys who are already hitting it and just wanting to take it up a notch. Like others have mentioned, how many of us have the gregariousness to open 5,6, or 7 sets and hold their attention? Not many, I’d wager, but if you can, more power to ya.

    Oh, and I have to once again put in a plug for Franco’s “Practical Female Psychology for the Modern Man”. That book more than any other did more to straighten my brain as it was reeling from trying to make sense of the many different “types” of women I encountered, Fucking INVALUABLE.

    But fuck JWS, the dude only fucks dive-bar skanks it seems.

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  89. on March 23, 2010 at 11:07 pm The Truth

    Someone should make a Rollo Tomassi archive. I am just discovering his stuff and it is pretty awesome. Good on you, bro. Keep it comin…

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  90. on March 23, 2010 at 11:20 pm Tupac Chopra

    Where is his archive? I’ve enjoyed his comments here.

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  91. on March 23, 2010 at 11:34 pm Wocka

    I’m starting to think you’re ok Tupac.

    You’ll have to go sosuave.net and find all Rollo’s posts by username. His stuff has not been collected, at least to my knowledge.

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  92. on March 23, 2010 at 11:47 pm Southern Man

    Well, this post and the comments added a couple dozen items to my Amazon wish list. Not that I expect a great deal more than the education provided by Mr. Renegade.

    To the older gentleman entering college: I, too, am an “older gentleman” who teaches at university and just in the last several months have found this blog (and other resources) and am well into my recovery from a lifetime of betatude. With nothing more than a few simple adjustments – inner game, expressing confidence, reframing, recognizing and deflecting shit tests, and so on – I find college-age girls are strangely (and often strongly) attracted. And the more they hit on me (no, I don’t sample the wares where I work) the more confident I become – a growing cycle of alpha that has already redefined my current relationship and transformed a thankless bitch into a wanton whore. Be assured that age is not a barrier; indeed, it may well work in your favor. An older fellow in college can play “international man of mystery” game to great effect.

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  93. on March 24, 2010 at 12:50 am OstroNova

    “Know thy enemy.” An essential strategy to getting laid. But knowing YOURSELF can’t hurt either, can it? That’s yet another reason to read Mencken (and “What is Man?” by Mark Twain).

    http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/mencken/defense/ — or better yet, order a copy of “A Mencken Chrestomathy” — a collection of Mencken’s essential writings, the first volume is all you need

    http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/mtwain/bl-mtwain-whatisman.htm

    Mencken tells you in the clearest, but most entertaining terms what women are, AND WHAT MEN ARE, and even though most of his major writings are from the 1920s and 30s, you can see plainly that the men and women he dissects are identical with today’s; only the surrounding culture and incentives have changed, and that has produced correspondingly different but COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE behavior. If Mencken were brought back to life for a look round he’d say “I see human nature hasn’t changed a bit.”

    As for Neil Strauss’s book, “The Game”, it is well worth reading, but only if you’re sufficiently mature, intelligent, and curious about basic human nature to handle Mencken. If you occupy the douchebag rank of maleness or below (as typified by commenters here who say such things as “The Game proves that Mystery is a useless fairy because he gets all messed up over a bitch at one point in his life”) then don’t waste your limited powers on Mencken, or even Strauss. Just keep on bangin’ beaver and enjoying life!

    The emailer to H who sparked this post refers to himself as a “quasi-Alpha” who has had “few successful relationships with women.” This is exactly the sort of self-kidding and refusal to look straight at oneself in the mirror that Mencken deals with so sublimely. (Being a “quasi-Alpha” makes about as much sense as being a little bit pregnant.)

    But of course the genuine Alpha, IN THE GAME SENSE, may or may not have any brains or love of wisdom to speak of; wisdom’s got nothin’ to do with it. Some of the most moronic douchebags imaginable, such as you may see on hotchickswithdouchebags.com, are the biggest Alphas on the block. I’m only directing my comments here to the small percentage of men who have the ability and the desire to look beneath the surface of things. Again, I stress my awareness that the relationship between such ability, and the ability to score bitches, is PURELY INCIDENTAL.

    But in the end I think the most important reading of all is “What Is Man?” Give it an hour of your time, that’s all it takes. If you accept its premises, it’s the most liberating thing you will ever read. (Man is a machine and free will does not exist.)

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  94. on March 24, 2010 at 2:31 am bong

    WTF is a quasi-alpha. The guy sounds beta. You need to come to honest terms of where you’re starting from if you want to get anywhere.

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  95. on March 24, 2010 at 2:55 am Anonymous

    I second Mode One and 60YearsOfChallenge. What about Zan guys? He’s a fucking smooth operator.

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  96. on March 24, 2010 at 2:57 am Candali

    why Lemmonex is a good guess?

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  97. on March 24, 2010 at 3:09 am D Foxtrot

    I love any stories by Tucker Max, who seems to be at a level of game even above CH. He did a show on David D’s “dating guru” series that you may be able to find online somewhere, but just read through this one post on his site:

    http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/breaking_down_the_game.phtml#934

    He’s probably nowhere near as good at explaining how he operates to clueless guys as CH, Roosh, etc…, but if you’re a semi-smart guy, you can extract a lot of wisdom from his body of work.

    Also, there is(was?) a Canadian show called “Keys to the VIP” that puts guys in bars to game chicks. That’s worth searching around for.

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  98. on March 24, 2010 at 4:32 am Cannon's Canon

    wocka’s first comment list is wassup

    personally, i’ve savored, in order:
    mystery method
    roosh’s bang
    dr. paul (the REAL dr. paul) mailing list (never paid)
    to a much lesser extent, savoy’s magic bullets, for free online
    the REAL noriega (he owe me a hundred favors)

    stephane is out of his fucking gourd and shouldn’t make a D-list. even if he harvests fields of hippie chicks who believe themselves to be proverbial wheat stalks in the plains of life, it is useless for almost every guy, and girl for that matter, that i’ve ever empathized with even a drop. signing up for his mail list is like parking under a tree full of pigeons while looking for a green-on-white turd that resembles jesus, so that you can sell admission tickets and get some nun-pussy. yeah a decent, even above-average racket if you can land it, but um, yeah sorry, not interested.

    also, i think this is important for the internet readers. make at least just ONE friend that knows about game. set goals that are appropriate, like a weightlifting partner. approaches, numbers, dates, makeouts, bangs… you will have different ratios based on your personal metrics. improve em, but share em with your pal. if he has five threesomes and you make out with five threes… you may have still both shown improvement. calibrate accordingly but set realistic goals like any diet or weight training regiment. you’ll feed off his success, which is why it’s better to not just tell your married friend about your abstract pursuit. find a random dude off the internet, no homo.

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  99. on March 24, 2010 at 5:46 am Jerry Ertans

    It isn’t enough for a young man to read PUA lit at a young age and understand it. A mentor has to make sure he practices it. I waited years between reading and implementing. One reason for the delay is that a mentor should have also made sure I conducted military style PT to fill out chest, shoulders and butt at a younger age. I also waited too long to take the kind of drug that stops acne for life (Clearasil was a sham). Don’t let a young man in your extended family suffer from being skinny or from having acne after age 16.

    I resent not having had such a mentor until I got into the military in my early 20s. Married beta dads and married beta uncles rarely have anything to say. The Spartans of ancient Greece were correct in pulling boys away from beta dads.

    Also, no mentor told me that I should read key chick lit that causes many women to see a man as a “soulmate” for having shared the same experience. Having read what a woman considers important instantly gives a man status on her IQ/Education scale. Luckily, many women love the same chic lit so the reading list doesn’t have to be long.

    I was 30 before I started taking specific advantage of this. For more than a hundred years, smart guys have “connected” with educated women because they were the only ones the women had met who’d read things like “Pride and Prejudice” or “Wuthering Heights” (both key studies in dealing with women that should count as PUA lit on their own).

    Woland would know what I am talking about here in terms of foreign chic lit that will instantly give you status with a woman from a particular culture. Also, learning some phrases from beginners language books can give you instant status with women who speak those languages as well. Millions of foreign women do not speak English at all, often making language learning as important to PUA as direct PUA manuals. Like the new Polish foreign exchange student? Yak zhe mash = instant status relative to the rest of the field.

    In the 1940s and 50s, smart guys told anglo women they had read “Rebecca” – cult classic chic lit. Before the first movie came out, a man having read “Twilight” would give many young women fans goosebumps as if the guy must be a member of Edward’s clan who’d read her mind. Anne Rice’s “Interview With The Vampire” was a cult classic in the 70s and 80s that gave you an in with many intellectual women especially in the San Francisco Bay Area (much less so, of course, after the film came out with Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt). Find out what the current chic cult hit is. If you find a fan before Hollywood beats you to it, you’ll have plenty to talk about.

    Women mostly won’t date men they feel are lower than they are on the IQ/education scale and, if they are shy young virgin bookworms or romantics, you want to get your foot in the door. Of course, women who don’t read at all aren’t going to care too much about that.

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  100. on March 24, 2010 at 8:04 am AHA

    Some recommended media:

    Tony Robbins – Awaken the giant within
    Helps you achieve your goals and become a better person. Classic personal development tome.

    Steve Pavlina – Personal development for smart people
    See above

    Dave Allen – Getting Things Done
    A classic of time management. If you’re a geek who loves systems and has 2 gazillion things to keep track of it, this is good. Otherwise it’s too complex.

    Tim Ferriss – The 4 hour work week
    Set up your life so you have the free time to chase tail.

    Internet Business Mastery
    Podcast that helps you implement Tim Ferriss’ ideas.

    Pick-Up Podcast
    They’ve interviewed pretty much everyone in the biz, up to 109 episodes now.

    Ramit Sethi – I will teach you to be rich
    Some good financial advice. Have more money for clubs and peacocking paraphernalia…

    Study Hacks
    A solid blog about making it through college with minimal effort and top notch grades. So that you, you know, have more time for boinking hoes.

    Interesting Times
    It’s my magazine so I’m gonna give it a plug. Lots of stuff on lifestyle design, pick-up, survival, emerging technologies, etc. Mandatory reading for the winner of the 2010’s.

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  101. on March 24, 2010 at 9:12 am The Truth

    Tupac go to sosuave.net and search for his posts.

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  102. on March 24, 2010 at 9:41 am V

    By far and away the best one I’ve read is John Alexander’s “How to become an alpha male”.

    This is particularly useful for shy guys who have had limited success with women (for these guys some of the above stuff will be way too advanced). It covers everything you need to be successful with women (including female psychology) and and after applying and internalising all the info even a previously shy beta male WILL get laid with hot chicks. It really nails your inner game and after you read it and apply the inner game and body language techniques you gradually feel yourself becoming more alpha and attractive to women (and very quickly noticing results). You don’t even need routines as when you’ve cultivated the right high value alpha male mindset (and genuinely believe you are alpha and are the prize etc.) what to say becomes automatic. It means that you do stuff like cocky funny and pass shit tests automatically without even thinking about it. You become a natural.

    The problem with all these routine based works is that without developing a guys inner game the routines will NOT WORK or not be very effective. Try putting a shy guy with low self esteem in a club and make him spout Mystery Method routines or cocky funny or whatever. See what happens. It will be a disaster.

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  103. on March 24, 2010 at 9:45 am Jerry Ertans

    Let’s see some comments about literature that will actually HURT a man’s chances of getting a date or doing well with women.

    How about the evangelical Christian world’s smash hit book “I Kissed Dating Goodbye”?

    Not surprisingly, lots of Christian women are the ones to complain about that book, saying things like “thanx for contributing to the continuing castratiion of men in the Christian Church by now making them too terrified to ask us on dates”.

    The book apparently implores men to propose marriage as the first specific indication that he likes a particular woman (after getting to know her in group settings).

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  104. on March 24, 2010 at 9:48 am AnonStyle

    Good stuff man. I’ve listened to DD interviews, that’s some A++ material right there.

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  105. on March 24, 2010 at 9:59 am Jerry Ertans

    Then there is the standard Neanderthal advice from the older generation (you know, the “greatest generation”):

    “Don’t worry, you will meet the right person someday. Why not get a hobby that you like and things will just flow naturally”.

    Someone should write a fun novel about a post-apocolyptic society where those who say that are rounded up and shot at sunrise.

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  106. on March 24, 2010 at 11:39 am greatbooksformen

    here’s savoy & mystery:

    mystery is very pretty.

    if savoy negs mystery i bet he can still bag him though.

    lzozlzlzlzllzl!

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  107. on March 24, 2010 at 12:06 pm Schmoe

    Somebody should auto-moderate comments with too many l’s and z’s in them and face-punch the comments straight away from moderation.

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  108. on March 24, 2010 at 12:51 pm lurker

    what are the best books for LTR game?

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  109. on March 24, 2010 at 12:55 pm barbbabbs

    lolzozlzlzl!!

    you guys want to face-punch me for pointing out teh extreme beta doucheiness of the puas…

    here’s another one–lance mason:

    rule #1 is the pua alpha realm.

    chixxxxx dig man boobs!!!!

    lozlzlzl!!

    haven’t you guys figured it out yet?

    WOMEN ARE PUBLISHING ALL THIS CRAP!!!!

    WOMEN PUBLISH THE PUA CRAP!!!

    THEY WANT YOU TO ACT LIKE BETA PUAS!!!!!

    lzozlzlzlzl!

    THEY ARE MAKING MONEY OFF YOU LOOOOZOZOZOZOOZOERS!!!!

    do you think tiger woods or brad pitt reads lance mason before heading out to score?

    hell no!

    and they don’t even have to grow man tits nore wear eye-liner and furry hats to get some.

    lzozozllzllzlzlzl!

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

    THE FEDERAL RESERVE/FIAT BANKING CARTEL IS IMPRISONING/NEUTERING YOU WITH ALL THE PUA CRAP!!

    if you want truth, check out my blog:

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com

    sure, ignore me, and wtach your man boobs grow as your estrogen increases. lzozlzl!

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  110. on March 24, 2010 at 1:01 pm walawala

    H, used your “Please no gameplaying” text on a 20-sth Asian girl in Asia I’m gaming. This was an Ace to pull out following a series of shit tests which I passed. I’ve been getting lots of kino, great IOI’s when we meet, but then at times it’s a few steps back. She says her lack of English makes it harder for her to be comfortable with me. She flaked on some lame pretense a few weeks back. Back to lots of kino and IOI’s when we meet up at our social circle. I still haven’t been able to get a Day 2 or bring her home. Then…suddenly I discover two things: 1) I suggest with her birthday coming up: “Hey let’s meet up…drinks…cool place…put a hat on you…cake”. No response. Then same day, I discover 2) she’s “untagged” a photo of the two of us on FB. I mentioned it to her whether it was her because it was a shot from behind of her and I. She made some lame excuse.

    So I figured this withdrawl was due to “overgaming” perhaps and a lack of full comfort, emotional back and forth etc. because she’s a chick struggling with these feelings. She had previously said “I don’t invite boys over to my place” to which I replied: “Good, I’m not a boy, I’m a man.”

    I sent ur “Please no gameplaying” . Worked a charm. Got an sms within 10 minutes: “OMG…I never played games I think you misunderstood sth” She’s freaking and confused. I think she knows I know.

    H, you were right, hits the right emotional buttons. But now what? My newfound alpha is great for my confidence. I’m going to lay low for a day instead of hanging out at our regular club.

    But I know that next time we meet, she’ll be all over me with questions “what do you mean?” to which I need a response.

    My thoughts: “It means what it means…let’s get a drink…” if Pushed….”Do you like games? Me neither, let’s get a drink.” Alpha enough?

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  111. on March 24, 2010 at 1:05 pm Rome

    Second the choice of Robert Glover’s “No More Mr. Nice Guy” – Guys that are having trouble making the leap right into PUA will benefit from this thorough treatise on the behaviors, rationales, etc of Nice Guys and why it doesn’t pay to be one — and it also refutes the false dichotomy of Nice Guy/Asshole.

    “Men Are Better Than Women” – Dick Masterson’s book includes material not on his website. Not a serious book, just a laugh-out-loud screed. For entertainment and for getting into anti-pedestal mindset before going out.

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  112. on March 24, 2010 at 1:24 pm Schmoe

    barbara ann, no one gives a shit about you enough to face-punch you. I was talking about all the loozlzoer posts being deleted, in metaphorical terms.

    @walawala, trying too hard for one girl early on is hurting your chances, even with that one girl. Hit on some other girls in that same group. It will give you practice and it will make her think she needs to take the deal before it’s gone.

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  113. on March 24, 2010 at 2:09 pm john

    Funny that one guy brought up Don Steele. Isnt he viewed as a joke in the PUA community??

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  114. on March 24, 2010 at 3:01 pm Jabberwocky

    “Aren’t you the intellectual, citing Ridley. I studied evolutionary psychology at the graduate level before you and the other Sailerites started spewing your dumbed-down neo-eugenicist, misogynist swill.”

    Pretentious, shallow minded, psuedo-intellectual who thinks we are impressed by a Doctorate degree, when anyone with self-discipline and the ability to write long winded pompous dissertation papers is capable of getting those three little letters “PHD” beside their name as if they are some type of intellectual aristocract snug as a bug in a rug while smug as a thug high up in their ivory tower of irrelelvance, regardless of true brilliance, insight, creativity, or depth, and most importantly; real world experience. Get at the back of the IQ bus bitch, where you belong, and let the new age of Alpha philosphers lay the smack down on our psycho-social-sexual luddite society. The prophet CH speaks. Bow down and listen.

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  115. on March 24, 2010 at 3:16 pm grand

    French writer Michel Houellebecq’s novels are great and should be a good read for PUAs. They’re satirical in tone and deal with the sexual marketplace, the brutality of life, etc. I read them all (Whatever, Elementary Particles, Platform and The Possibility of an Island) in a couple of weeks and was awestruck.

    “The criteria of physical love – youth, beauty and force – are those of fascism.” (off the top of my head) -The Possibility of an Island

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  116. on March 24, 2010 at 4:11 pm Flashman

    If you go with one Houellebecq novel, go with Platform

    Textbook example of a great writer who breaks all the rules of writing (he would have flunked out of any MFA program in the US, notwithstanding his immense talent).

    His social significance, minor now (in the US especially), will be huge in 20 years.

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  117. on March 24, 2010 at 4:23 pm Lupo

    @Carlton Grey: good stuff. Mencken was no fool. The book I mentioned is a quick read, and available online in many places. For work reading:
    http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/mencken/defense/

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  118. on March 24, 2010 at 5:44 pm Cannon's Canon

    for you smarties who can grasp sexual dynamics in terms of dystopian futuristic fictional tenures, i liked:

    ‘time machine’ by h.g. wells
    ‘the wanting seed’ by anthony burgess
    ‘children of men’ by p.d. james
    ‘elementary particles’ by michele hoellebecq
    (‘platform’ is in my anti-library)
    ‘diamond age’ by neal stephenson

    oh yeah and back to non-fiction, if you haven’t read 48 laws of power, why are you even on this earth?

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  119. on March 24, 2010 at 7:51 pm walawala

    Shmoe thanks great advice. That “Please no game playing” shook her up and gives me the high-road advantage of walking away, being aloof etc. Any more thoughts on what to say if she presses me on “what do you mean?” I’m thinking, I can just smile or ignore question.

    As per your suggestion, yup, I number closed another 7, cutie last night from our locale. Was perfect. We danced, she approached me at the end. I played cool, no negs, just some light teasing. Noticed the IOI’s: brushing of hair, staring into my eyes, giggling at nothing, body language turning into me while I sat staring out. Number closed. She sms’d “thanks for dancing with me 🙂 ” (her smiley) My response: “Good connection” . I’m learning.

    New guy who posted at the top should learn this stuff too. A lot is trial and error. But it all works if you follow the 16 Rules of Poon and move from there.

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  120. on March 24, 2010 at 9:31 pm Max

    That Bang book by Roosh can’t be worth much since there isn’t even a torrent for it.

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  121. on March 24, 2010 at 10:44 pm Tupac Chopra

    Cannon:
    ‘
    oh yeah and back to non-fiction, if you haven’t read 48 laws of power, why are you even on this earth?

    Why do I get the feeling you consider Greene’s “The 50th Law” to be far superior to the 48?

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  122. on March 25, 2010 at 3:48 am Cannon's Canon

    pac:

    hadn’t even heard of that book before. goddamn jews, always trying to miscegenate the great white race with their prescribed negro-worship.

    i’ll have to add a particular Henry Ford masterwork to my non-fiction ‘game’ reading list. YOU know what i’m talkin about, oh! oh!

    off-topic: just watched Cloverfield again and will be dreaming about creating many mischling babies with lizzy caplan. yuum!

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  123. on March 25, 2010 at 10:03 am Juice Terry

    Grand said –

    “French writer Michel Houellebecq’s novels are great and should be a good read for PUAs. They’re satirical in tone and deal with the sexual marketplace, the brutality of life, etc. I read them all (Whatever, Elementary Particles, Platform and The Possibility of an Island) in a couple of weeks and was awestruck.

    “The criteria of physical love – youth, beauty and force – are those of fascism.” (off the top of my head) -The Possibility of an Island

    YES – Michel Houellebecq. Thanks for reminding me.
    Wow.
    Now there is a truly GREATwriter. I read his stuff in my early 20s (pre-game) so I must re-read him now through the new lens of game.

    It is all there…….the brutal, cruel and indifferent world of sex.

    He is very, very brave.
    “Atomized” was a vicious assault on the double-standards of the 1968 liberal and sexual revolution.
    CH – read Atomized, you will LOVE it.

    Check out this interview with Houellebecq where he shamelessly cracks on to the female interviewer.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2002/apr/05/fiction.michelhouellebecq

    Yet…….despite being a supposed bitter later 40’s small, physcially unattractive misanthropic Frenchman:

    ” now he’s getting laid left and right. I was definitely attracted to him, and I’m not attracted to that type. Also because he’s so honest and so out there with his writing — that’s attractive.”
    http://www.laweekly.com/content/printVersion/40296

    Michel Houellebecq’s New Novel
    Can Humans Survive Without Sex?
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,371516,00.html
    “The only place in the world where I have ever felt truly happy was in the arms of a woman, as I was penetrating deep into her … The fact that something like a pussy even existed was already a blessing in itself.”

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  124. on March 25, 2010 at 11:49 pm Tupac Chopra

    Cannon:

    goddamn jews, always trying to miscegenate the great white race with their prescribed negro-worship.

    Umm..say again?

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  125. on March 26, 2010 at 6:57 am AHA

    I second the motion that CH review Houllebecq.

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  126. on March 26, 2010 at 11:46 am Jabberwocky

    http://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Girls-Alec-Greven/dp/0061709999

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  127. on March 27, 2010 at 7:19 pm sdaedalus

    Jabberwocky, out of the mouths of babes & infants.

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  128. on March 28, 2010 at 6:02 am Linkage is Good for You: Sloth Edition

    […] – “Game Resources“, “Mimicking Social Circle Game“, “Sausage […]

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  129. on March 31, 2010 at 11:29 am Stud Dynamite

    Just finished 60 Years of Challenge book (it’s just 200 pages, no fluff at all, easy to digest). Didn’t field-test yet, but on paper it’s outright awesome, straight to the point on my stumbling blocks and fitting very well with my past successes and a lot of my default game. Escalation is attractive vs chatting up for hours to nowhere, avoiding micro-avoidance vs walking around imagining you’re an alpha. Indeed. Along with Bang, pure game for not complete nerds.
    As I see underlying idea on attractive escalation, though not spelled out in the book (it’s nicely brief), is what we discussed here many times too: we get shitty escalation experience as not attractive beta guys early and thus start avoiding it as “nice guys” and subconsciously still aren’t doing it enough or doing it in supplicating or sarcastic manner even after we wise up. While it’s only unattractive from betas and refuting 1st attempt is a shit-test to screen out betas. Improve appearance, status-awareness, body language and off you go with “mutual hand caressing” =)
    So anyway, highly recommended for both beginners and as very interesting to connoisseurs.

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  130. on March 31, 2010 at 11:01 pm Rivelino

    The “new and improved” version of the Mystery Method is crap. I was flipping through it at the bookstore. The original is fantastic. I was just looking at it today.

    All I have read so far is The Game, Mystery Method, and Style’s Stylelife Challenge. I read this site a lot, and started reading Roosh too.

    I like Style for his self-improvement angle, Mystery for his clear structure and genius insight, Roosh for his down-to-earth, low-key approach and great writing style (calm, accessible, friendly), and CH for his emphasis on being an alpha male.

    Just re-reading Style and Mystery, they don’t really talk about that a lot. They talk about the AMOG, but not about you yourself being/becoming an Alpha.

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  131. on April 10, 2010 at 9:52 pm Rivelino

    Was at bookstore again and took a closer look at Mystery’s new book The Pickup Artist. It is not as much crap as I thought, although it definitely is not as clear in structure or insight as The Mystery Method.

    The Pickup Artist has an interesting theory called “the ghost and the flame”, how you have to be very steady and calm (the ghost) but also alive and mysterious and charming (the flame).

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  132. on April 2, 2011 at 10:20 am erik

    The “new and improved” version of the Mystery Method is crap. I was flipping through it at the bookstore. The original is fantastic. I was just looking at it today.

    All I have read so far is The Game, Mystery Method, and Style’s Stylelife Challenge. I read this site a lot, and started reading Roosh too.

    I like Style for his self-improvement angle, Mystery for his clear structure and genius insight, Roosh for his down-to-earth, low-key approach and great writing style (calm, accessible, friendly), and CH for his emphasis on being an alpha male.

    Just re-reading Style and Mystery, they don’t really talk about that a lot. They talk about the AMOG, but not about you yourself being/becoming an Alpha.

    http://ixrealsocialdynamicsxi.blogspot.com/
    real social dynamics blueprint
    rsd blueprint
    real social dynamic
    real social dynamics blueprint decoded

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