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March 26, 2010 by CH

What are the implications of imbalanced sex ratios? What happens when there are more men than women, or vice versa? In the matter of a surplus of men (i.e. a sexual market favoring women), we in the US may already be experiencing that on an enormous (heh) scale. I wrote about this misunderstood catastrophe in my groundbreaking post “Obesity to blame for game” (with illustrations!):

Game has been refined, taught and embraced by men in direct proportion to the shrinking pool of attractive thin girls. As the reduced supply of skinny chicks have seen their sexual market value skyrocket, they have adjusted by pricing their pussies out of reach for the average guy. In return, men have sought solutions to this new challenge in the rapidly advancing science of seduction. Where simple courtship worked in the past, it is no longer effective against the deep bunker defenses of the in-demand slender woman.

There are other reasons for the rise of game, but obesity plays a whale (heh) of a role. A fattening female population means we have a de facto male surplus. Some men will settle for fatties, (some men screw sheep), but most will prefer to stick it out competing for years in the dating market and avoiding marriage until they either drop out or get what they want — a thinner chick.

I also speculated what a female surplus would do to courtship dynamics. On many major college campuses, women outnumber men 3 to 2. I called this a poon nirvana for the typical college male and predicted how the excess chicks would alter the hothouse campus atmosphere:

  • Women acting sluttier.
  • Fat women ostracized more than ever.
  • Betas taunted by a flesh machine churning out display product they cannot buy.
  • Alphas living like harem kings.
  • Alphas in general acting more caddish. More drinking, fighting, fornicating, and video gaming.
  • Betas in general withdrawing more from social life to seek the sympathetic embrace of their computers or like-minded losers in love.
  • Dating replaced by fucking (“hooking up” in the current nomenclature).
  • Blowjobs and anal sex increasingly accepted as virginity-sparing sex substitutes.
  • Later marriages.
  • And finally, a tired rationalization hamster punching in overtime. The female mind has never been so besotted with challenges to her anti-slut barricade!
  • Since there are, generally, fewer fat chicks at college age than later ages, the national obesity calamity would not significantly counterbalance the absolute skewed sex ratio favoring college attending men.

    There was an excellent discussion of sex ratio over at the “Evo and Proud” blog. Especially read the comments, where Peter Frost and Jason Malloy argued opposite sides, Malloy taking the position that, somewhat counterintuitively, a population of excess males means more well-behaved males, since women in control of the dating market are better able to fulfill their goal of finding a productive and reliable Dad to help raise children. Men under such constraints are therefore likely to rein in their latent caddishness and emphasize their daddishness to appeal to the limited number of available, choosy women. Malloy presents some evidence for his case.

    I wasn’t convinced, though, because I thought Malloy’s premise was faulty. Do women instinctively prefer the Dad to the Cad, and if so, do alpha males and beta males pursue the same sexual strategy in a dating market with a dearth of women? What happens in societies that are structured to the benefit of women? That is, what do women actually choose when they can have their cake and eat it too? Peter Frost articulated my doubts in a comment at Dennis Mangan’s blog:

    Jason [Malloy] ignored, however, the authors’ warning that female scarcity is socially beneficial only if there are limits on women’s sexual freedom:

    “Remember that the background conditions under which imbalanced sex ratios have had their effect have been relatively constant from the time of classical Greece until the advent of the twentieth century. Earlier we called attention to the importance of the fact that structural power—economic, political, and legal—has invariably been in male hands. This condition has prevailed in every high and low sex ratio society that we have examined in detail. What this means is that sex ratio imbalances might well have radically different effects in a society where women had appreciable structural power.” (Guttentag & Secord, 1983, p. 233)

    “… Young single women are not confined to the home and have much experience with the opposite sex. They make their own decisions about male friends or the choice of a husband. Either party to a marriage can now get a divorce if they want one. These changes that free young single people to choose their own mates and loosen the marriage bond favor the gender that is in short supply. In a word, structural constraints that have in the past neutralized dyadic power, particularly that of women, have disappeared.” (Guttentag & Secord, 1983, p. 239)

    Does the current USA strike you as a society imposing limits on women’s sexual freedom? It is to laugh. Just the opposite is happening in Western cultures. If any gender’s sexual and marital prerogative is being straitjacketed, it is American men’s, specifically American betas.

    What about China, where the male surplus has ballooned, prompting a slew of opinion articles warning of Chinese territorial ambitions and saber rattling to release the building pressure of millions of unsexed and unloved men? China is more patriarchal than the US, but in the big cities it looks to be changing, the urban culture quickly beginning to reflect the worst (best?) of the West.

    A sex ratio favoring women might have very different effects in Afghanistan than in the US. In cultures where women have little incentive to slut it up, delay marriage, or pop out bastard spawn confident that the government will act as uber beta provider, they may well become more chaste, and pickier about choosing reliable Dad types. But in cultures of free-wheeling sexuality, easy availability of contraceptives and abortion, female economic empowerment, anti-male divorce laws, and disappearance of anti-slut social shaming mechanisms, women may very well respond to a favorable sex ratio by opening their legs for every alpha male to shower five minutes of attention on them, prefering to share the choicest cock with other women rather than monopolizing the ground beef cock of the squabbling male masses.

    I’d like to get away from the macrocosm abstractions for a minute and ground the argument over sex ratio in something we have all experienced in real life. I have been in bars where there were way more men than women. There’s nothing more dispiriting to the inveterate player than walking into a roomful of Bob Evans. I can tell you exactly what happens in those situations.

    • Women’s egos explode. 5s think they’re 7s, 2s think they’re 5s, fat chicks think you desire them. You want to see an American girl’s entitlement complex break the sound barrier? Put her in a bar in a typical big city with other overeducated, chubby girls and surround with twice as many horny men. Add liquor and mix vigorously. Mystery likely had the inspiration for the neg when he was navigating a similar sad scene.
    • Men become irritable. Is a sausage fest a breeding ground for well-behaved Dads? Good lord, no. What usually happens is this: A small number of very smart men quickly assess the futility of the situation and bail for greener pastures. The rest drink to excess, gathering the courage to approach the one or two hot chicks in the room, only to discover that bitch shields are set at maximum deflection. Then the men become agitated, and oftentimes there is pushing and shoving, leading to fights. That’s when the women bail, because the atmosphere has gotten toxic. A few men remain behind for garbage hour, hoping to scrounge a scrap of snatch.

    I’m agnostic on the issue of sex ratio and its impact on the overall mating market. I think there are other variables that are more important in determining how men and women behave in the most crucial market of all. Nonetheless, with a rising male-skewed China and a declining feminist USA, sex ratio may have profound effects on who next will grab the mantle of hyperpower.

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    1. on March 26, 2010 at 12:17 pm the_alpha_male

      “Obesity to blame for game” is probably the single most important article in the history of the internet imo.

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    2. on March 26, 2010 at 12:18 pm A-Bax

      Roissy, what would you consider the top, say, 3 variables in determining how men and women behave in this most crucial market?

      I’d guess:

      1) political equality of women: does female suffrage exist? Can women own property? (And/or have it bequeathed to them, not their sons, by a dead husband?) Are there meaningful legal restraints on when and under what circumstances a woman can initiate divorce proceedings?

      2) state of the economy: Is it vigorous? stagnant? worsening? Can a man reasonably expect to be able to support of family given median ability, effort, and opportunity? Does a woman need a man for anything more than a good time?

      3) role of religion in society: Does most of the population share the same religion? Is that religion recognized by the state? Are men expected, by society – to honor religious credos in their treatment of women? Are women expected, by society – to honor religious credos in the containment of their base desires?

      Now, these three areas are in many ways inter-dependant, and I could be missing something huge. Would love to hear readers’ and Roissy’s thoughts.

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    3. on March 26, 2010 at 12:20 pm A-Bax

      For (1) I really meant “political STATUS” of women

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    4. on March 26, 2010 at 12:25 pm Laura

      I remember from reading Gone With the Wind the many southern women were forced to marry way beneath themselves because so many men had died in the war.
      Speaking from personal experience, I used to work in a heavily male field and got quite a bit of attention at work. The company picnic was always a reality check though because so many of the men I worked with brought attractive wives and girlfriends. It made me realize I didn’t have as many possibilities as I thought I did.

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    5. on March 26, 2010 at 12:29 pm Cauthon

      I think evo psych is revealing that women appreciate both Dads and Cads…but they choose Cads when it really matters (i.e., hot sex).

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    6. on March 26, 2010 at 12:36 pm Mr. N

      Lets look at some of the most famous societies with male-female imbalances.

      Ancient Sparta
      http://roman-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/abandonment_infanticide_in_ancient_times

      The Vikings (who also killed their daughters):
      http://books.google.com/books?id=IHOhjobXpecC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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    7. on March 26, 2010 at 12:37 pm Firepower

      seems to me
      I have read this
      somewhere before

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    8. on March 26, 2010 at 12:37 pm Dr. Grzlickson

      Are you Roissy or Chateau now? I’m confused.

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    9. on March 26, 2010 at 12:39 pm French Connection

      That last line is one scary thought.

      If things do play out that way, might one assume that on a global scale Chinese men will eventually enjoy the same pre-assumed alpha status that American men once did in the better days of the country?

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    10. on March 26, 2010 at 12:44 pm Anon

      Off topic but how about an article about Jesse James-Sandra Bullock?

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    11. on March 26, 2010 at 12:51 pm Laura

      I thought an equal number of boys and girls were born, yet in my son’s class boys outnumber girls by a lot. Someone told me that means we will probably have a major war in the next generation or so.

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    12. on March 26, 2010 at 12:51 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

      Jesse James is the scorpion. Sandra Bullock is the frog…past her prime frog at that.

      America’s current sweetheart marries a tatooed biker. If she did not know what she was marrying, she’s way dumber than portrayed in “Speed”.

      Now, about sausage festivities. Roissy, thank you for pointing out the obvious solution, finding better hunting grounds. I always had a tug of war within myself…take on the betas and defeat the bitch shields that I know I can, or not waste energy on that when I can move to other locations and not work as hard for the same reward.

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    13. on March 26, 2010 at 12:53 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

      Laura, we ALWAYS have a major war per generation.

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    14. on March 26, 2010 at 12:53 pm Thansus

      The natural ratio is something close 105boys:100girls. In many nations, boys are preferred to girls, so mom’s selective use of abortion pushes the ratio up even higher.

      You can’t judge the ratio based on your son’s class, the sample size is too small.

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    15. on March 26, 2010 at 12:54 pm Thansus

      BTW, there was an article in the economist a few weeks ago about parents in China, India and other countries aborting girls but not boys. That’s where I got my info.

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    16. on March 26, 2010 at 12:54 pm Mr. N

      Another example of skewed sex-ratio:

      American Wild-West

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    17. on March 26, 2010 at 12:58 pm The realist

      @ Cauthon

      Very true. But Women don’t appreciate dads, they appreciate Power.

      2 definitions of Power, women love both of them.

      A: The power a man wields. Over himself, a woman, other men and the world around him. Also known as Status and a prime requisite of the Cad.

      B: The Power the woman herself has over a man. The prime requisite of the Beta provider(Dad) is being easily controlled.

      What we will see is men developing a sense of what we used to call pride, it’s the same thing that prevented men from supporting bastard children and single mothers since time began. It’s why marriage was required in the first place. Dads will begin to dissapear. All men will become predatory opportunist Cads, some will be much more successful than others, but even in the face of overwhelming competition, emasculation at the very thought of being a Provider to a used up disease ridden whore, will be enough to keep even the most unsuccessful “Cads” from walking the path of a Dad.

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    18. on March 26, 2010 at 1:00 pm Thansus

      Unrelated, Conan O’Brian looks alpha even when he’s refueling his car.

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    19. on March 26, 2010 at 1:02 pm Silver Fox

      I think some extremes will blow away your arguments:

      -One Black male recently had 21 kids from 21 different women on welfare; he made minimum wage.

      -In Taliban Afghanistan (the lowest female realm on earth); male rape and pedophilia is estimated to be highest on earth. SO men have all the power, but rape eachother?

      -In African Congo / Darfur / Rawanda genocide…the incidence of “bush wives” ie, forcibly using men as wives in battle-field, is rampant.

      -10% of children born at USA hospitals are not related to wedded Father.

      -30% of Alimony payers, are not Fathers of children…even when false-paternity is proven by court.

      -In the Black community, where 75% of births are out of wedlock (ie, free acess to pussy v. 20% White) there is estimated to be 20% of the Male black population “on the down low”…ie, Gay but not able to admit in thug culture.

      -2:3 male ratio on campus, still leads to larger date-rape incidence 1 in 3, than larger society.

      So, from the poorest / most backward societies to the richest; the male/female power/sex dynamic is not predictable. From wome giving away pussy to the destitute (black community); to afghans/africans regressing into sex freaks, to black stealth gayness, to White males with all the power in USA…handing free money to whore wives/bastard offspring.

      The only relevance for a male is to seek acceptable females WHERE they are not overvalued: ie, Eastern Euro, South/Latin Am, Asia etc.

      The rest is mental masturbation on an uneven playing field.

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    20. on March 26, 2010 at 1:08 pm Silver Fox

      Excellent guide on “Top 40 Reasons Why You Are Single” from a Time-Out NY Magazine.

      Telling b/c although NYC has most bars/per capita and most abortion clinics/per women on earth….this list prevales for most.

      http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/sex-dating/2552/why-youre-single

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    21. on March 26, 2010 at 1:10 pm greatbooksformen

      lolzzl!

      when women are left to their own devices they

      1) take a lot of cocks in all orfices
      2) their egss dry up
      3) they buy cats

      lzozlzl!

      ben bernanke and his friends are depopulating the western world.

      by desouling women, they conquered the west without ever firing a shot.

      lzozozllz!

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    22. on March 26, 2010 at 1:12 pm greatbooksformen

      oh yeah jsut wanted to point out that morality and marriage are male inventions.

      never has a women ever spoken out against buttsex.

      in fact, necocon women like candace allan exalt buttsex in celebrateing their faux alpha males tucker max.

      lozozlzl!

      one thing you guys need to pay attention to is how all teh alpha attributes — honor, character, and integrity — are now attr8ibuted to beta males under teh noecon rules, whil sodomy and butthex are considered alpha traits.

      lzozozllz!

      i

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    23. on March 26, 2010 at 1:14 pm culdcept

      We can never look at China as an example of what could happen here. The big issue there is the ratios aren’t spread evenly throughout the country and especially not among the educated. Most Chinese guys are betas and women dominate relationships because they know where they stand. They snatch up betas and then break them like twigs just for fun.

      Also, the Chinese culture still tells people to get married early and have the one baby soon after (two if both parents were only children). Not being married at 24 can drive a girl to consider herself out of luck and give up.

      Girls will still flock to foreigners, so there are no worries if you aren’t Chinese.

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    24. on March 26, 2010 at 1:15 pm Nicole

      A surplus of males is the natural situation. I don’t think it reaches the point of gloom and doom until people do unnatural things to limit the female population, or there’s an epidemic of something that kills women more surely and quickly.

      This is the case in China and India, but not so much elsewhere.

      As far as obesity being the cause of game, I doubt it. If the price of pussy is higher, then it’s higher across the board. Men will take the path of least resistance, so fat chicks are not lacking for men willing to “settle”.

      Cougar culture makes it look like there are more fat young women because older women look, dress, and act younger than they really are. Some people think I’m my daughter’s fat sister.

      I think some of you just have skewed perception because older women have put themselves in the class of attainable ugly girls instead of the proper out-of-reach older women. This is one of the big reasons aside of personal convictions, that I started to dress very modestly when I got married the first time.

      There’s a kind of passage a woman’s supposed to go through, not just because of respect for her man, but to make herself “visibly invisible” to single guys.

      Nowadays, that’s not enough for many women though. They feel like they still need to be sexy and look available to everybody in order to get enough validation, instead of just sexy and available to their husband or lover.

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    25. on March 26, 2010 at 1:16 pm sestamibi

      On the other hand, other trends point to a surplus of females in years to come:

      http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news-print.cfm?art=2104

      http://tinyurl.com/ycy2xeb

      http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1836384520071018

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    26. on March 26, 2010 at 1:20 pm Jusblaze99

      ROISSY ANSWER ME THIS:

      You mentioned smart guys searching for greener pastures, when at a crowded bar…. Is this logic also applicable to the US as a whole? In other words… I’M CONSIDERING PULLING A ROOSH AND MOVING ( to Japan naturally) AND TEACHING ENGLISH.

      Sound reasonable?

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    27. on March 26, 2010 at 1:27 pm The realist

      @Silver Fox

      half of those reasons seem to contradict eachother. Either you’re too desperate or afraid of commitment. Either you are too nice or too judgement/love yourself.

      I could make a much shorter list, specific to the LTR and marriage minded men(the only people who need/deserve a list).

      “you are single because most women are slutty, self absorbed career bitches who are desperate(for alphas) and afraid of commitment(until mid thirties with a beta provider)………”

      I could carry on but you catch the drift……

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    28. on March 26, 2010 at 1:38 pm lena

      1. Women want it all: Hot, smart, rich, charismatic men, but most of all women want to marry and have children.

      2. You need money to properly raise children.

      3. Before the woman’s rights movement, women had few economic opportunities so they usually placed a much higher value on a man’s economic status so they settled for good providers even if they actually yearned for a hot stud.

      4. Now women can control their own economic future so needing a good provider is not as important.

      5. The only change I see happening is that the provider status of the man falls down the rung of desirable attributes by a small but significant amount.

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    29. on March 26, 2010 at 1:48 pm Laura

      Silver Fox,
      I don’t believe American women are overvalued. Possibly you can get someone younger and prettier in those other places you named then you can in the United States, but that could be due to the culture of equality we have here.

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    30. on March 26, 2010 at 1:59 pm The realist

      @Laura

      Of course american women are overvalued. The fact that any of them still manage to get married is proof of this. They have valued(pretty much solely) because they are women and contain eggs.

      The women in the cultures he mentioned have to provide more to be eligible for marriage. That means no marriage if you are/have been a slut. No marriage if you can’t cook/clean. No marriage if you are not modest and respectful esp towards men. No marriage if you are old.

      Either the women in america are overvalued or the men are devalued/devalued themselves. The only way to confirm your value is to use it to purchase a better wife. From abroad.

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    31. on March 26, 2010 at 2:00 pm J R

      i lived in alaska for a few years, so i don’t need to speculate about situations where men far outnumber the women. what happens is remarkably similar to what roissy describes. the women have a lot of choice and it makes them flaky. they’re overvalued and hesitant to committ; always looking for the better deal. as a result the men tend to react by either becoming complete beta bitches or huge alpha assholes.

      there are a couple of sayings up there that adequaltely sum up the situation.

      the women say about the men: the odds are good, but the goods are odd.

      the men say about the women: you don’t lose your girlfriend; you just lose your turn.

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    32. on March 26, 2010 at 2:02 pm X to the Z

      If the world were a united dating market, American women would get pumped and dumped on a global scale.

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    33. on March 26, 2010 at 2:10 pm White Woman

      @lena

      Perhaps in many cases, because women make their own money they don’t have to put up with the BS of a typical Alpha. For instance, I would rather have decent sex with a good Beta man (husband) any day over having my butt ripped open by an alpha. Btw, there’s poooo in there guys!

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    34. on March 26, 2010 at 2:11 pm The realist

      @X to the Z

      The ultimate insult would come when even the millions of Obese surplus Chinese Males pulled the sneakiest Beta Bait and switch technique ever known to the history of mankind. Leaving lonely western women wondering what happened to their providers.

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    35. on March 26, 2010 at 2:11 pm Stud Dynamite

      Indeed, nailed it. That ratio issue makes fatties and especially 5-6’s far more demanding and very unforgiving of any beta traits. It was rather hard on ego after having experience with far hotter girls back in Russia.
      However, there is a flip side – just as there are so many fatties here, there’s also plenty of beta and poser alpha wallflowers. This is how I could still hold my own and be ahead of most of the competition in an average american bar as soon as I learned the ropes – not buying drinks, socializing with the whole crowd, etc. Just because of my past experience IMO.

      I think I’m coming full circle on the whole game thing. There is basic stuff, negs specific simple routines (Bang), there’s body language and status (that was new to me)… Besides that, all that inner game and ‘plowing through attraction building’ stuff is BS. Field, numbers game, momentum, that’s it.

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    36. on March 26, 2010 at 2:14 pm jkc

      while it’s been building for some time, i gotta say — there are too many nerds here.

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    37. on March 26, 2010 at 2:25 pm Laura

      The Realist,
      Do you interact with women on a regular basis? I generally find many women to be nice, some are obnoxious certainly. American women(British in your case) may have gotten a little spoiled and whiny in the last forty years or so, but that does not make them all bad.

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    38. on March 26, 2010 at 2:30 pm Nicole

      Stud, the fatties thing is an illusion. It is manufactured by scaring people about there being an obesity epidemic, which there isn’t except among the poor and moreso in specific ethnic groups that are harmed by a western diet.

      I noticed that in the CDC statistics, people between the ages of 20 and 39 are being lumped in together as “young adults”. You and I both know that there is a huge difference between a woman of 20 and a woman of 35.

      The vast majority of obese people don’t reach even the reduced criteria until they’re over 30. Even for them, it tends to peak about the age of 35-40 and then reduce. It is probably that when a woman gets into the second half of her fertility, she tends to gain body fat so that she’ll still have the requisite hormones to do the job.

      It wouldn’t be the first time that medical information has been munged or covered up for the sake of the profitable one-size-fits-all solution.

      I strongly suspect that the skewed perception is enabled by the availability or perceived availability of women over 30. It makes it look like there are more fat young women, but the truth is that some young women are just nasty all around and stand out, and there are a lot of old ladies out there trying to work their ancient groove thang.

      So it’s not fat messing up the field. It’s propaganda. One should remember that it was feminists who started the big obesity scare and super-thin models trend in the first place.

      Before the 60’s the idea was to feature slim nubile looking women, not emaciated or boyish looking women. A flat tummy was supposed to look good because it implied the girl was virginal and childless, not that she has killer a.k.a. masculine sixpack abs. The boyishly thin image is something feminists want men to consider ideal for the same reason they want women to feel that being a worker drone with kids in daycare institutions is ideal.

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    39. on March 26, 2010 at 2:43 pm Matt Savage

      Working within a mostly engineering environment, I’ve noticed that because of the heavy male population, the few “average” women around here are treated like damn queens. Of course, it doesn’t help that all the men are completely Beta and Omega males.

      What’s interesting is that it seems the “average” women, instead of choosing the best of the betas, will simply hold out longer until an actual alpha arrives on the scene. The dilemma here is that any alphas who do show up, simply give the women a pump and dump, because they know they can do wayyy better outside of that particular market. It’s a no-win situation for everyone… except the alpha male.

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    40. on March 26, 2010 at 2:47 pm The realist

      @Laura

      I’m sorry but as a woman is it really your place to decide who is suitable for marriage to MEN? So lets ignore the ridiculous amount of divorces, child thefts, cuckolds, old cougars, female drug and alcohol abusers because this one lady says “western women” aren’t so bad? Please men ignore all statistics and previous experience with women because this one lady believes they are not THAT bad. Just because you fooled one dumbfuck into marriage, not every bitch deserves to be that lucky.

      So whilst yes, even if i concede that they are “nice” and “pleasant”. they still really are not worth marrying and you have not refuted that point.

      I’m more in favour of same sex marriages these days than “normal” ones, not because i’m a gayboy, but because women aren’t really bringing anything to relationships and marriage that my best buddy(heck any of my pals) can’t do better. Sex? i can get that more often, more cheaply and in better variety through pick up and prostitutes.

      On an unrelated note im glad you remembered im british.

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    41. on March 26, 2010 at 2:55 pm The realist

      @ Laura

      have you intereacted with any men other than your beta-boy husband? Because if you have, you’d realise that most of them require a lot more for marriage than some kind of fleeting politeness that you keenly maintain actually exists(many man would object).

      What exactly are you doing for your husband? I suppose he married you for “LOVE” right? *FACEPALM*

      If you are expecting men to marry for “love” these days because women aren’t THAT bad….you really are kidding yourself.

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    42. on March 26, 2010 at 2:59 pm john

      Is Roissy dead? What is this Citizen Renegade stuff?

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    43. on March 26, 2010 at 3:01 pm Nicole

      Realist, being real here, you won’t get better sex from a prostitute or a slut on the circuit than you will from a woman who really loves you. Guys who say otherwise remind me of women who claim they really enjoy casual sex.

      Some are sociopaths. The rest are crying inside, and really transparent.

      You seem disappointed in most western women you’ve come across, and that’s your right. You should feel that and shout it from the mountain tops. In between the women who regurgitate misandrist propaganda will be a few who sense the truth when they hear it.

      Just don’t take your disappointment out on those of us who enjoy being women and enjoy taking care of our man. You wish you had one of us. Hell, you wish you had five.

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    44. on March 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm The realist

      H.L Mencken already does a pretty good job of explaining why marriage is a raw deal for men and that women rely on the concept of love and men being weak to women.

      Women will always want what men have to offer no matter how economically stable or empowered they become. IF MENCKEN KNEW THIS PRE 1950s IMAGINE HOW MUCH WORSE THE DEAL IS FOR MEN NOW.

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    45. on March 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm definitely an omega

      Hey… what happened to virginat50? His blog has been deleted from wordpress.

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    46. on March 26, 2010 at 3:07 pm dragnet

      “American women(British in your case) may have gotten a little spoiled and whiny in the last forty years or so, but that does not make them all bad.”

      Good grief. You really just don’t know—you’ve been away from the scene too long, honey.

      Even if you accept the premise that American women aren’t inherently that bad, you have to admit—if you’re honest—that our society has given women more than ample socioeconomic and cultural incentive to screw over guys and just behave generally like detestable human beings. What this means is that even if women aren’t that bad initially, they are gradually transformed into loathsome bitches by a poisionous, misandric culture and legime regime. Even the best women simply cannot be trusted in a poisionous environment like this.

      Get a clue.

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    47. on March 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm dragnet

      my comment is stuck—please free it. thanks.

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    48. on March 26, 2010 at 3:35 pm rep agent

      Silicon Valley has an enormously skewed ratio. Here’s a discussion:

      http://representativeagent.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/a-sexual-explanation-for-the-success-of-silicon-valley/

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    49. on March 26, 2010 at 3:41 pm Vincent Ignatius

      Women never have a realistic appraisal of their own value. Put a typical 6 in an environment where most of the other girls are ugly or fat and she convinces herself that she’s always been hot. She won’t face reality until it smacks her in the face.

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    50. on March 26, 2010 at 4:06 pm Carlos

      Well I don’t know about experiences from Roosh in Medellín, but in Bogotá is easy to find a bar populated with 4 grils to 1 man ratio…

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    51. on March 26, 2010 at 4:17 pm Chuck

      as you know i’ve harped on sex ratio quite a bit. i wrote this over at the spearhead a while back:

      http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/11/10/slouching-towards-libertinia/

      we have to analyze sex ratio in a matrix. there is low sex ratio (more women) and high sex ratio against the backdrop of male structural power and female structural power.

      my thesis, at least for the west, is that the government has foisted up female structural power. the government has created a double whammy in the sense that it has served as beta provider for women as well. this creates a situation where women have more power and there is a de facto high sex ratio (higher than the actual head count; the gov’t counts as a male presence).

      such a situation is called LIBERTINIA. in Gutentag and Secord’s book “Too Many Women?”, LIBERTINIA is defined as a sexually permissive society with reversed gender roles. while we don’t currently have reversed gender roles, the current Western civilization is as reversed as any large culture has ever been.

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    52. on March 26, 2010 at 5:15 pm Woland

      One recent twist in all of this is the newfound ability to check paternity using DNA. 20 years ago a man could never be 100% for certain whether or not a child was his. Now there is 100% certainty. While women can screw around endlessly in their 20s without eroding their marketability, all that changes once there is a child in the picture. While the State plays the role of the beta as last resort, it does not provide much. Since so many women are thinking of themselves not their children, the financial consequences of popping out a child with a handsome but financially ner’re do well can be an economic and genetic cul de sac.

      The Darwinian goal is not how much sex you can have but how many children you can have that survive through childhood and breed successfully on their own. I have known many “Alphas” that end up as barren as the tundra while some homely Beta’s have large (Beta) families. Makes you wonder who the alpha really is.

      Last but not least, this site is aimed at 20 and 30 somethings. There is a physical phenotype that keeps popping up where the alpha is tall, strong and handsome but not necessarialy intelligent. Wealth, humor, and social status all count for more once someone is out of college. It is as if the “Alphas” get their shot while they are young but quite often fizzle out as income becomes paramount. They might get laid a lot but they are genetically as dead as ceasar.

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    53. on March 26, 2010 at 5:21 pm The realist

      @ Nicole

      A woman who really love me? Its not hard to find a woman who wants me Nicole, It’s hard to find a woman who I WANT and who deserves me. And a woman who can be trusted to respect a marriage contract. A woman desiring me is not pre-requisite for me desiring her. A lot of women seem to think if they are attractive and spread their legs thats all a man could possibly need in life, a man should “love” and marry her for it. Never mind how many other men she spread for or whether she has anything else to offer.

      Im not a big fan of prostitutes i mentioned them as a mere option for the single(heck even married) man, i am in fact a self daignosed OCD sufferer/hyperchondriac so regular solicitation is rather beyond my psyhological means.

      Also many a man much smarter than myself has questioned whether women are even capable of “love” in the same sense as a man. These include HL Mencken and those who influenced him(schopenhauer, Nietszche etc) as i mentioned before as well as basically all learned and important men of old.

      Is it any coincidence that as a Man falls in “love” his testosterone level decreases and he experiences what is more akin to depression/bipolar/anxiety than any pleasureable feeling? Whilst simultaneously his female partners testosterone level, promiscuous tendency and feelings of security increase?

      I’m not neccersarily looking for “love” Nicole. Respect, admiration, responsibility towards ones partner, family and duties are far more attractive prospective traits, and traits clearly lacking in the ice queen, family destroying, man ruining bitches of todays society.

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    54. on March 26, 2010 at 5:22 pm greenlander

      If you want to know what a sausage fest is all about you should come here to Silicon Valley. If you’ve never lived in Silicon Valley or Alaska, you have no clue what a true sausage fest is all about.

      I’m making a shitload of money here. $200K, $300K, $400K a year depending on stock options. It doesn’t matter. Money doesn’t get you shit here because everyone has a boatload of it. The only way to get any pussy at all is to learn game.

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    55. on March 26, 2010 at 5:28 pm Rex

      I never found Jason Malloy’s argument very convincing.

      I think Peter Frost and Roissy are right about this issue.

      The peace and order that accompanied high male to female ratios in the past were probably due to the stronger, more tight-knit families in which the men (fathers, brothers, cousins, etc.) of the families would screen out and police the men who would marry and have relations with their female kin.

      Women weren’t renting out lofts in villages and living anonymously in villages apart from their families. They were always at home with the family. Access to women would’ve been tightly controlled by the men of the family that would see themselves as guardians of their family’s physical security and honor. And they wouldn’t have allowed random cads slip into the village, fuck their sister, and bounce the next morning. They would have tried to hunt him down and kill him.

      The relative scarcity of women and a more family oriented society would’ve meant that women were an important resource in a family that would be protected and utilized by the family. The men would keep the cads away to preserve the woman’s virginity and virtue (and thus her value), and steer her towards politically, economically, socially, etc., prominent men. The women of the family (sisters, mothers, cousins, etc.) would naturally follow the lead of the men and promote these things as well for their female kin.

      So this is the glaring variable that Jason Malloy misses in his overreaching attempt to be clever and counter-intuitive. In the past, excess males were well-behaved towards women because if they weren’t, women’s male kin would come after them. There is no similar enforcement today. These days, while the State is against men, it is arguably much better and safer to be a cad than to seek an LTR/marriage only to get divorced and have the resources of the State come down upon you to extract payments from you until death.

      Once the family breaks down and male kin enforcement becomes irrelevant, and women are living anonymously pursuing their whims with little to no input from anyone outside their girlfriends and the media, the “high male-female ratio means peace and stability” hypothesis falls apart.

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    56. on March 26, 2010 at 5:30 pm White Woman

      The realist speaks truth. Women want love. Men want respect.

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    57. on March 26, 2010 at 5:48 pm Andrew S.

      “Off topic but how about an article about Jesse James-Sandra Bullock?”

      The first male celebrity, or pretty much anybody in the media with some cred, who calls out Sandra Bullock for being a dumb bitch, and for believing that a biker named Jesse James who was married to a former pornstar, would somehow be faithful to her should could get some kind truth in media award.

      Almost all of these guys are pussies (Tim Mcgraw,) and they know the backlash would be awful, but if any of them do they should get a statue built in their honor.

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    58. on March 26, 2010 at 6:13 pm NMH

      I live in a state where the adult obesity rate is over 30%; at my age (mid 40’s) I would say that the women that are overweight or obese approaches 80%. What I find is if you go to any venue, whether it be a bar or speed dating, its just mostly fat chicks. The big problem for me is a time issue…there are so few slender women where I live (or if they are in a social situation they have a fattie coupled to them) it just takes a great deal of time to find one, too much time for me to even bother. And, as you said, the slender woman’s bitch shields are on full deflection.

      But if you are interested in a LTR, it gets FAR worse…if you take the slender women aged 30 or 40, subtract out the ones who are broke/in debt, have STDs, or have personalities that are just too difficult to get along with, you are down to….nothing.

      Im not married, and the great reason for this is the obesity epidemic. What a waste.

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    59. on March 26, 2010 at 6:45 pm Matt

      American women are fat because they are addicted to eating and lack the self control, due to our instant gratification culture, to reduce the amount they eat and increase the amount they exercise. In fact, women seem to be more prone to various addictions than men.

      Since I have no interest in dating someone who outweighs me and I’m not an Alpha asshole, I expect to be single and childless the rest of my life. I know how good a husband and father I would be, why should I settle for some third rate woman?

      On the flip side, I wish I wasn’t only attracted to white women. Hispanic/Oriental/Melanesian/etc. women just don’t really turn me on. A real shame since a lot of foreign women would be very interested in a husband like me.

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    60. on March 26, 2010 at 7:01 pm brightstormyday

      @White Woman:

      “The realist speaks truth. Women want love. Men want respect.”

      This is why the Bible says for men to love their wives and for wives to respect their husbands.

      Not because men aren’t expected to respect women, or because women aren’t expected to love men.

      It’s because these things are expected already of both genders, but respect doesn’t come as naturally to a woman, and love doesn’t come as naturally to a man.

      Also- bad joke time!

      In an environment with many men, what do 9 out of 10 people enjoy?

      Wait for it….

      Wait for it….

      A gangbang!

      k I’m done here.

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    61. on March 26, 2010 at 7:03 pm brightstormyday

      @Andrew S.:

      You know, part of marriage is staying faithful to your partner. If he wanted to marry her, you’d expect him to stay faithful.

      Just saying, and yes, it applies to both parties. People expect their loved ones to be faithful. It’s part of MARRIAGE. Hey, adultery goes against the 10 commandments; it’s been that way for a looooong time.

      Just sayin’.

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    62. on March 26, 2010 at 7:10 pm lurker

      Sheepfucker loves sausage fests; almost as much as he loves herds of grazing sexpartners, er, sheep.

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    63. on March 26, 2010 at 7:13 pm lurker

      Andrew S.: “The first male celebrity, or pretty much anybody in the media with some cred, who calls out Sandra Bullock for being a dumb bitch, and for believing that a biker named Jesse James who was married to a former pornstar, would somehow be faithful to her should could get some kind truth in media award. ”

      —spot on, but its even worse: Bullock stole James from another woman. Yep, that’s right: she knew he was a cheating bastard the moment she hooked up with him.

      Dirty whore and her squeaky clean image. Typical woman.

      Long live alphas.

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    64. on March 26, 2010 at 7:26 pm Nicole

      Yeah, again with the, “I never wanted that anyway…”

      Heard it. Still don’t buy it.

      Nietzsche, as much as I admire him, and as much as his works have influenced my life personally, sang the same song after he got knocked back by a woman with the nurturing ability of a snake.

      No man who has ever experienced the undying love of a woman sings that song. Even if you don’t love them back, it touches you.

      Maybe that’s the problem…that you don’t love the women who love you. If that’s the case then that’s your problem, not the women’s problem. If they didn’t actually do something wrong to you or to mankind, then there’s nothing unworthy about them. You just weren’t feeling it.

      You’re not required to feel it. It’s just not a symptom of being overvalued to want to be loved.

      What’s a symptom of an overblown sense of entitlement is to believe that you deserve things you haven’t earned, like a woman’s respect.

      Women don’t deserve respect just for being born with a vagina. Men don’t deserve respect just for being born with a penis.

      I don’t care where the woman is from, if you are a bag of wuss, she is not going to respect you even if she likes your money.

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    65. on March 26, 2010 at 8:00 pm Jacko

      Have to agree with the realist here. He’s just being a realist.

      Bachelors live longer and healthier than divorced men, and I’ll be god-damned if I ever let a woman ass-rape me in Misandry Court.

      Save your money, boys. There are wonderful retirement communities in Asia and Latin America, and full of nubile hotties.

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    66. on March 26, 2010 at 8:06 pm T-1000

      This is sort of true, but a lot of hyperbole and conjecture. While the social and hormonal (birth control etc.) changes of the past 50 years have wreaked more havoc on gender relations than thousands of years of normal evolution, at the end of the day you still have males and females trying to spawn.

      For every fat, blubbery, asexual woman, there is a fatbody man. Numerically, there are more women than men in our society, anyway. Even nominally “asexual” women, who because of their girth and lack of value, still fantasize about someone who will rub their back and feed them Ho-Hos…and there is bound to be some fat, balding schlub out there who will do it for them.

      The zero-sum arms race that Roissy describes where the shrinking pool of hot women becomes drunk on power is not the overall situation in our society. It is a micro-level occurrence among this choice group (MAYBE 10%, being generous) of all women. I will agree that the spillover effect is deleterious on all woman, to the point that 300 pound cat ladies think they can live like “the Sex and the City girls,” but the same can be said for men. How many loser guidos who make 10k a year and are at the median of male attractiveness and desirability still act like they are god’s gift?

      This is, of course, the prime teaching of game, to act like you are the shit and be a total cad regardless, but a dorky looking guido with a fuck-you attitude and an Affliction shirt is still only pulling his female equivalent with a tramp stamp and a spare tire at the bar. Men will be quick to play up their conquests for the sake of trumpeting their “alpha” credentials, but 100 skank 5s doesn’t mean you will ever get a bombshell 9. “Acting alpha” only goes so far…pretending is fun, but even in our increasingly unhinged social world, there are still some objective markers of pecking order that no actor will be able to overcome, at least for more than an evening. Life is, really, about the long term, rather than how much game-induced success you can have in a six hour outing. True status is still determined by your larger worth and pull in the world, not how well you can delude women into sleeping with you. Girls respond to a man’s sexual pull, but outside of the massive-clitted career grrrrrl clique, a lot of women are still more objective evaluators.

      My life in flyover country gives me a different perspective. We have the same issues, writ small, that men and women “at the top” of “game” have, but if you can pull back, there are still a lot of people floundering about in the middle, from the hopless and sexless on one end, the prime meat with bitch shields on full, and of course, all the minnows in the middle. Our course is influenced by what people on each end are doing, but one can find pretty much anything to suit one’s taste in this freeflowing society. At this point, it’s not hard to even choose which game to play, or to opt out entirely.

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    67. on March 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm T-1000

      Also, I just have to throw in, every man who is utterly terrified of divorce court needs to just fucking grow a pair. It’s the biggest kangaroo court there is, it’s the busiest docket, and is staffed by overworked, apathetic judges, and incompetent TTT clerks who are happy to have a job. It’s easy to run circles around, and were your wife ever to slap you with a suit, if you had been smart and prepared all along, you would be on a beach in Barranquilla while a buxom, raven-haired broad sucks you off, while your chubby wife with cropped hair is faking tears at a court hearing.

      They might order you to pay child support.
      I’ve seen guys that never responded to anything, never showed up to court, never paid a dime, and whose tearful wives are sitting there like idiots in court crying about how he’s “somewhere in Phoenix with his Xth new girlfriend!” The court is powerless. They only have as much power over you as your compliance will give them. The judge’s clerk, an ugly 3 with braces from a TTT school, isn’t going to come and chase you down, sorry. If you work a job where it’s easy to garnish your wages, well I’m sorry for you, but there are ways around that as well.

      Point being, if you are ready to raise anchor and sail as soon as you see things going south, you could give two fucks about “divorce court” and what it could do to you. It’s the tepid betas who could never fathom leaving their city, their current job, their house (which they will lose or sell anyway), who believe in “sharing” all of their money with their wives in joint accounts, who believe in “sharing duties” and doing the monthly budget together every month, and who will dutifully show up to court when summoned, and never dream of ignoring an order from a TTT state trial court judge, who get fucked by divorce.

      I was stuck in divorce court as an intern for one summer, and what I learned is that losers who attempt to play by the rules get fucked, while assholes who don’t give a shit, don’t comply, and don’t respond, get to do a dance and smoke cigars. It is literally a tired old judge and an ugly female clerk trying to track you down, THAT’S IT. They can only fuck you as badly as your naive compliance will allow them.

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    68. on March 26, 2010 at 8:20 pm Advocatus Diaboli

      How to Get Chatroulette Girls to Always Flash Their Boobs

      http://gizmodo.com/5502948/how-to-get-chatroulette-girls-to-always-flash-their-boobs

      Here’s an offer no girl can refuse: Show your boobs or the snake eats the baby bird! It works. Every single time. Or maybe not every time, but there are plenty of chickens. The sophistication level of Chatroulette is bottomless.

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    69. on March 26, 2010 at 8:24 pm xsplat

      Laura

      The Realist,
      Do you interact with women on a regular basis? I generally find many women to be nice, some are obnoxious certainly. American women(British in your case) may have gotten a little spoiled and whiny in the last forty years or so, but that does not make them all bad.

      Laura, this formula of an argument of yours has been patented by the female race. Its a joke. “They aren’t all bad” is not a counter argument against a generalization.

      I could go on and talk about group differences, but your strategy is to bring it always back down to the individual.

      It’s a joke.

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    70. on March 26, 2010 at 8:25 pm sestamibi

      Let’s put the whole Alaska thing in perspective, shall we?

      Yes, it’s true that single men far outnumber single women there, but the whole state only has about 675,000 people! That’s about one-third of the population of Manhattan!

      Once you deduct children, married people, and seniors from the total, that doesn’t leave a whole lot of singles to begin with. It would probably take about 20,000 men among them to leave the state and disperse elsewhere to bring things back into balance–without exacerbating the situation in their destination locations.

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    71. on March 26, 2010 at 8:28 pm The realist

      Chatroulette?

      Thats a surefire way to get a hard cock in your face. I’d estimate about 10 of them to every girl you could even get to keep her finger off the “NEXT” button for 3 seconds.

      You’re better off getting your cock out and rubbing one out, that must be what these girls are online for. It’s impossible to avoid. You’ll find yourself crossing swords with a lot of strange fellows in the meantime.

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    72. on March 26, 2010 at 8:33 pm Vince

      Roissy/Chateau:

      I wasn’t convinced, though, because I thought Malloy’s premise was faulty. Do women instinctively prefer the Dad to the Cad,

      Doesn’t matter. What matters is if men think women prefer the Dad, and then behave as such. Moreover, it’s easier to fuck a chick then it is to maintain a long-term relationship. Maybe a lot of cads are screwing women who want to be Mrs. Cad (e.g., Sandy Bullock), but for marriage prospects women pay more attention to job/income. If women vanished from the planet, would men maintain civilization? I doubt it. Everybody here wants to insist civilization is a product of patriarchy, but ultimately, pussy makes the world go ’round.

      A female surplus leads to men behaving more cadishly. See for instance the black community. Many social conservatives attribute its pathologies to a “black culture” lacking “family values,” or something. But they ignore the fact that — contrary to whatever OKcupid’s official bloggers claim — black women have a strong preference for black men. Unfortunately for these women, many black men are locked up, which skews the ratios of the sexual market, thus increasing the sexual market value of black men. Waitresses report black women are more likely to pick up the check than other group. Is that because black men are just lazy? Well, maybe, but their relative scarcity gives them Hand. If they can fuck around, then there’s no reason to get married.

      James Flynn of “Flynn Effect” fame examines the phenomenon in his book Where Have All the Liberals Gone? arguing that best thing for the black community is if its women follow the lead of the Irish gals: become more discriminating and marry outside of their race. Irish women were married to ne’er-do-well alcoholics who had no incentive to clean up their act until the women said enough is enough (or that’s Flynn’s account at least).

      Surprisingly, what the vast majority of these comments about the so-called evils of feminism discuss almost invariably fail to discuss technology’s capacity to alter the social-economic landscape. Of course, by this I mean birth control, which empowered women to go to college, support themselves, build careers… It also gave them permission to act much sluttier, which has been a huge boon to cocks everywhere.

      The idea that obesity rather than birth control is responsible for the ascendance of game is disappointingly idiotic.

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    73. on March 26, 2010 at 8:41 pm RMM

      @Silver Fox

      “2:3 male ratio on campus, still leads to larger date-rape incidence 1 in 3, than larger society.”

      That only goes to show how having a local feminazi garrison leads to higher report of “rape” that is not rape anywhere outside the feminazi mind, up to and including buyer’s remorse the day after.

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    74. on March 26, 2010 at 8:46 pm The realist

      Fits in perfectly with the thread title.

      Chatroulette=sausagefest=future of western world.

      Lots of sex crazed perverts cock-in-hand exposing themselves as they compete for the attentions of an ever shrinking pool of very picky women.

      the scramble for the “next” button as fat chicks appeared on screen would be furious, worse even than when coming cock to cock with your own father. Which in the new sexual market would not be too uncommon, and in such circumstances a courteous “good day” will suffice. He is your father after all.

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    75. on March 26, 2010 at 8:47 pm xsplat

      Woland

      They might get laid a lot but they are genetically as dead as ceasar.

      Who cares. Who cares who wins the game of having kids. I want to win the game of enjoying my life.

      Who cares if you define alpha as passing on your genes. I don’t care who you define as alpha, or who you define as a piece of popcorn, or however you want to slice up your world into words.

      I care about enjoying my life.

      I’ve found that I need women and love to do that to the fullest. Money helps. If I win at life, I need to win at the game of women.

      Not the game of having kids.

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    76. on March 26, 2010 at 8:49 pm Stud Dynamite

      Nicole, yes and no, I’m not talking about morbid obesity… Rather about times when a woman I consider well doable, but I’d rather not be seen with her flakes/turns her back on you obviously because she feels she has too many options, at the most innocuous “betaness”, like slipping into boring conversation too soon. It even stopped affecting my ego, some of them are just funny. Yet for a guy without greener pasture options / experience it can be crushing.

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    77. on March 26, 2010 at 8:51 pm Uno

      What you say really describes all of America. It is the absolutely worst place for women. 5s think they are 7s. 7s think they are 9s. There are so many disgusting women who think they are hot or models simply because they are tall and thin. I live in Canada and I can tell you – the difference here is very noticable. It may not be immediately but I can tell you – plenty of girls in the USA that are treated like princesses would have trouble landing a single date in Canada. In fact, it is running joke that average Canadian women who cant even get attention in their home country are treated like queens in the USA. (I know Europe could probably make the same joke about us). Canadian women are very aware of this also and love going to the USA becuase they experience an immediate status boost and self-esteem boost. The painful reality for American male is that obesity and nasty masculine women are a direct result of their own belief in conservatism and their obsession with capitalism. Poor education, for instance, is a well-known indicator for obesity and the rough under-class upbringing of so many American women transform them into hard-working business-oriented she-males. The other problem is the high numbers of masculine-looking black men and masculine-looking black women which only makes matters worse. Your women have great options.

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    78. on March 26, 2010 at 8:55 pm xsplat

      Laura

      The Realist,
      Do you interact with women on a regular basis? I generally find many women to be nice, some are obnoxious certainly. American women(British in your case) may have gotten a little spoiled and whiny in the last forty years or so, but that does not make them all bad.

      Laura, this formula of an argument of yours has been patented by the female race. Its a joke. “They aren’t all bad” is not a counter argument against a generalization.

      I could go on and talk about group differences, but your strategy is to bring it always back down to the individual.

      It’s a joke.

      Let me know when you are ready to talk about generalizations. Generalizations do matter. Generally, a guy can do a hell of a lot better for himself outside of the U.S. Generally, he’ll accelerate his learning process and this will help him with women. Sure, he’ll get fucked over a lot in the process, but he’ll learn what the process is.

      Up until recently, it’s been difficult for a western man to even know why he is losing.

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    79. on March 26, 2010 at 8:59 pm Mike

      There are a shortage of in-shape men, too. I wonder if the guys who complain most loudly of a woman shortage train at the gym with any intensity, and monitor their diets?

      I don’t have any problems when I go out. If anything, it’s a joke on how many women who are interested in my old self. Most 20-something guys that I compete against look like shit. Either they are skinny fat, or they lack any muscularity.

      Women appreciate a guy with a body. Game is great, but not being in shape just makes life that much harder.

      Having some muscles immediately draws attention to yourself. You get a look from a chick, and then use game.

      Those of you complaining about a lack of women should spend some time in the gym.

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    80. on March 26, 2010 at 9:11 pm Stud Dynamite

      @Matt Savage engineering betas and alpha arrival…
      This is one I still can’t get my head around. I’m certainly a prize, but honestly far from what I’d consider natural animalistic alpha. Rather Danny Masterson than Don Draper =) Yet, I know women you talk about and while my standards are actually rather low (I love myself some 6’s who know what they’re doing, I don’t mind a bit of chubbiness, though, no girls, I don’t *prefer* it), these kind of women could only get me for a few minutes of pumping with 5-shots-of-dewars-soft member. And they actually like it!
      So while I see what you mean and yes, these women would go ga-ga for that arriving alpha, they’re not gonna get pumped and subsequently neither dumped. Mostly they just get to break dry-spells for guys alpha enough not to like them. And betas you refer to are just like I said – don’t know any better so they like *that*.

      A practical conclusion out of all this is not to bother with these substandard goods. After all, I think better chicks are not as affected by this ratio issue because most betas are just invisible for them so you just need to get/keep above average SMV. If you’re an 8 or even 6 (which is IMO anyone dressed not at walmart and familiar with this site), a barful of 5’s isn’t much of an issue, just don’t follow same low-value bitches everyone and their brother hits on around. Then again may be I’m just full of shit and get by on my “exotic-ness” and greener pastures experience. Oh well. Good weekend everyone =)

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    81. on March 26, 2010 at 9:12 pm xsplat

      T-1000

      if you had been smart and prepared all along, you would be on a beach in Barranquilla while a buxom, raven-haired broad sucks you off, while your chubby wife with cropped hair is faking tears at a court hearing.

      I don’t get as big a kick out of revenge as do some guys, but one form of revenge I do relish is doing well sexually. The old girl left behind says something like “you couldn’t get younger women than me anyway”, and proceeds to try to financially enslave you for life. Some guys send back pictures of them on the beach with a harem of YOUNG pretty girls taking care of him.

      And young girls that take care of you can be a sustainable lifestyle. Even young girls that love and are devoted to you.

      Western women overvaluate themselves into the stratosphere, are hugely demanding, and give very little.

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    82. on March 26, 2010 at 9:15 pm chi-town

      Its also responsible for the cougar movement. While feminist emancipation is taking credit, the reality is younger fatties are leaving more opportunity for slimmer older women. Generation gelatinous is what is behind much of the cougar movement.

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    83. on March 26, 2010 at 9:16 pm Stud Dynamite

      Mike

      There are a shortage of in-shape men, too.

      seconded. I was still “getting by” 30 pounds heavier than I am now (it sneaks up on you, heh), but there’s just no comparison and no reason not to be in shape. And eating as entertainment is beta.

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    84. on March 26, 2010 at 9:17 pm xsplat

      Mike, it sure is true that “Having some muscles immediately draws attention to yourself. You get a look from a chick, and then use game.”

      Sometimes I let my body slide when I’m in an LTR. If the girl sees me hitting the weights, she’ll start to worry. But as soon as I’m single, I’m a gym regular. It helps.

      That said, it’s helpful to approach girls from a wide variety of angles, just for an overall education. Rich versus poor. Buff versus out of shape. You find you need to compensate in various areas, depending on what is lacking. It will build up your skill set.

      Not that that ultimately matters. If one skill works, work it. But a larger skill set is like a general bachelor of arts education – it broadens out your perspective.

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    85. on March 26, 2010 at 9:23 pm xsplat

      I think you know what I mean. Consider the fat chick who still manages to be sexually popular. Obviously she gives mean head.

      The skinny guy will need to play to his strengths as well, and will by necessity develop them.

      But I’m with you on the gym thing. It only takes three months to get toned. I’ve got that behind me now and this time will aim for more bulk than I usually keep.

      On a different note, there ain’t no cure for love, and there ain’t no cure for heartbreak. Three weeks after losing my mate, even with my ex-mate here taking care of me, the grief can be intense. All this talk about oneitis is just philosophical noise – bonding is a good thing worthy to strive for, and when you lose it the grief period can’t be cured. If it can, tell me how. God, the dreams – excruciating. The horror of it is I saw her die a horrible death. Ughhhhhh.

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    86. on March 26, 2010 at 9:35 pm shel

      ~Mike @8:59

      you’re right. at my age (40s), its never a problem attracting 20 somethings (early 20 somethings).

      the number of guys with potbellies and lack of tone is getting stupid. they want the sweet little blonde toys, but can’t stop stuffing the starch and hfcs down their gullets. and, by god, if they don’t think they’re “all that”.

      Game is crucial, but only goes so far. can you picture Mr Beergut, with all the game in the world, being attractive to an adorable little hardbelly? not gonna happen.

      …eat paleo and hit the weights.

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    87. on March 26, 2010 at 9:36 pm The realist

      @ Xsplat

      Get some prozac or testosterone for that oneitis bro, seriously.

      Is someone posting as you trying to make you look Beta or something? I haven’t felt like that since i split with my first love when i was 19, i don’t make the same mistake twice.

      But yeah the dreams are bad shit, i even had dreams that predicted the break-up and in the end i was left wondering if i could see the future or if it was self fulfilling prophecy…..Bad shit.

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    88. on March 26, 2010 at 9:46 pm xsplat

      Realist, if bonding is beta, may I always keep a bit of beta inside me.

      Bonding vastly improves my quality of life.

      I’ve lived with a small harem of three with little love, and compared to a monogamous (not out of principle but passion) relationship with love, I’m happier in the latter.

      Of course I’ve also had non monogamous love – polyamory. That’s pretty cool too. But what I found there was when I lost one of the girls, there was still grief.

      I once grieved a woman for two years. Twice. Both times I was doing well sexually, dating hot young girls with whom I shared intense sexual chemistry. It sucks and I wish there were an off button. But it’s the flip side to the on button of bonding, and it’s that button that fills your days with meaning and pleasure and peace and happiness and lust and fun.

      Its simply impossible to have what I want and be able to avoid the grief of loss. Unless the girl doesn’t die before I fall out of love. That would work.

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    89. on March 26, 2010 at 9:51 pm xsplat

      In fact, Realist, when I talk about keeping a bit of beta inside me, I refer to retaining my humanity.

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    90. on March 26, 2010 at 10:04 pm Rum

      Bonding happens just from being involved with a person over time in situations of high-level emotional intensity – no matter how much you wish it did not. Shit, we are likely to “miss” our worst enemies when they depart the scene.
      The strength of this varies. Full-bore sociopaths might feel this less than middle-of-the-road sorts but a continuum describes a kind of similarity as much as a difference.

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    91. on March 26, 2010 at 10:12 pm Mike

      Silicon Valley has a shortage of women? LOL. So what? There is ZERO competition if you’re a guy who lifts weights, reads books, and has some personality.

      Even San Francisco proper is a total joke. The guys here are schlubs. Women are always asking me if I’m gay, because I actually have a nice body. In S.F., the only men who take care of themselves are gay men.

      Never in my life have I been so desired. I’m not a great-looking guy, and won’t be on any magazine covers. But I have a pretty good face, and a very nice body. In San Francisco, that puts me at the top of the food chain.

      Even in a “sausage fest,” I do very well.

      I’ve seen the D.C. scene, and don’t see many in shape guys. Most are either skinny, or carry around “winter weight” all year.

      Books and blogs on game are good, and a body is not everything. Making yourself look physically better than other males, though, elevates your game. You’ll get way more IOIs with a build than without one. It just makes life that much easier.

      A guy with a build is not doing cold approached all day. Instead, you can see a girl give you a look. Most of your leads are warm.

      Hit the gym. Take protein powder. It will pay off as much as reading Mystery Method.

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    92. on March 26, 2010 at 10:16 pm Breeze

      Damn this is a good post Roissy. The unhappy truth smacks people around the head so they try and argue it out of existence through twists and turns of feminine sophistry.

      One thing I’ll add:

      In China there is a great deal of women being kidnapped from rural areas to become wives or mistresses for richer, lonely city men.

      @ Silverfox:

      “-One Black male recently had 21 kids from 21 different women on welfare; he made minimum wage.”

      That actually confirms Roissy’s viewpoint. Women slut it up and have bastard kids to losers when the welfare state is there to protect them.

      “2:3 male ratio on campus, still leads to larger date-rape incidence 1 in 3, than larger society.”

      Date rape is women whining because the guy never called them back. Classic cad behaviour which proves Roissy’s point.

      @ Nicole:

      “A surplus of males is the natural situation. ”

      Yes, but we no longer live in the natural situation. In the natural situation the surplus of men died young doing dangerous deeds, stupid things or in war. Secondly, women were never as fat in the natural situation, so the pool of women a man considered attractive is larger. Thus, instead of the natural situation we have the current situation where a man has more competition for fewer attractive women.

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    93. on March 26, 2010 at 10:20 pm Julian

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/26/do-men-need-their-own-maj_n_514321.html

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    94. on March 26, 2010 at 10:27 pm The realist

      @xsplat

      Well i do hope thats what you are referring to rather than getting some poor quality homo action

      lolrolzolozllzo

      I understand what you are saying but this whole love business doesn’t go down to well with a lot of guys. Some of us can’t afford to get too involved, it’s too damaging to the mind, body and soul when things go wrong. I gather your life is a lot more relaxed than mine but i can’t really handle losing a grip of myself like i have before. Some of the things guys think and do for “love” is stranger than fiction.

      I lost my virginity to a young muslim virgin from Turkish Cyprus, it was a romeo and juliet story as my parents are Greek Cypriot origin. We both literally gave the middle finger to our families took all the shit for what we thought was true love. then when it crumbled after 2 years i was ruined, she turned out to be just as irrational and jealous as every woman and i turned out to be an abusive jerk. The relationship taught me a lot about game unconsuously years before i ever came across this site or any other material. It was a rollercoaster of highs and lows and we were both addicted little fuck-monkeys. In truth the reason i sought sites like these was to understand better relationship dynamics, i knew something had been wrong with our relationship and i always felt guilty for my part. I had been utilising the neg and push and pull techniques subconsciously long before i ever studied game or heard of Roissy. It was my own guilt as much as anything that ruined my mind and soul for a long while after the break up, i was completely dissillusioned with myself and women. But then through game i learnt that everything has purpose and this is how things were meant to be. sad but true. If anything Game allows me to channel my natural aggressive and “alpha” traits into the most acceptable forms possible.

      Some of us have to keep a leash on that side of ourselves, for it has the power to destroy us.

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    95. on March 26, 2010 at 10:29 pm The realist

      They used to call me the idealist…..

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    96. on March 26, 2010 at 10:49 pm xsplat

      Realist, I once dated a girl with a lizard’s heart. She described her own heart as cold as a stone. She’d been a prostitude for a time, and had decided against falling in love. And I’ve dated other girls with hearts that weren’t stone, but were clay.

      I’ve noticed in myself that I can lean towards being stony, and therefore protect myself from heartbreak. I can take the same path those girls carefully explained they were taking. Have sex but avoid attachment so as to avoid heartbreak.

      I don’t do that. Because I see the result, in other people. I learn from their mistakes. It’s not a road to happiness or fulfillment. You bar yourself from a good outcome out of fear of a bad one.

      I still am capable of and enjoy love, and plan to keep it that way. And since I live a life that fosters this, I am able to get girls to fall head over heels out of control completely in love with me. They wouldn’t do that if I lost my ability to bond.

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    97. on March 26, 2010 at 11:00 pm The realist

      @Xsplat

      Iv’e got some long ass comment in the mix where i basically spill my heart out, fuck Roissy and his cunting moderation.

      I have my theory on the obesity crisis, it’s simply a reflection on the poor mental state of todays women. Not that men are neccersarily any better off it just seems women tend to respond to everything, whether it is Grief, depression, anxiety, stress etc with overeating whereas men can be and often are the opposite.

      It is a counter intuitive but well documented phenomena by psychologists where a mans mind can become so over/hyperactive that he literally “forgets” to eat or feels he has more important things to do. It Can lead to rapid weight loss and even malnutrition/death if unchecked.

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    98. on March 26, 2010 at 11:03 pm NT1980

      Why Women Don’t Want Macho Men

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704100604575145810050665030.html

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    99. on March 26, 2010 at 11:05 pm Topher

      SilverFox,

      Sources?

      “-10% of children born at USA hospitals are not related to wedded Father.”

      I had heard it was ~2% total, whereas if you were suspicious it wasn’t your child, the chance of paternity fraud went up to ~30%.

      “-30% of Alimony payers, are not Fathers of children…even when false-paternity is proven by court.”

      Do you mean child support? Alimony is something different.

      “-2:3 male ratio on campus, still leads to larger date-rape incidence 1 in 3, than larger society.”

      Do you have any source on this? I find it almost impossible to believe that 1 in 3 college women have been date-raped (or raped at all). Even the most hardcore feminists have only alleged 20-25% rape incidence, and their numbers have been totally discredited.

      (In any event, even if it were true, which it’s not, it wouldn’t discredit Roissy’s point…it would only show that when one side has apparently-undue power due to the accident of numbers, the other side will respond with either acquiescence or absolutel violence. The same thing happens in politics, cf the LA riots or the party not in power holding a lot of protests.)

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    100. on March 26, 2010 at 11:10 pm The realist

      @Nicole

      It seems Roissy’s moderating-happy these days, little cunt. So your retarded posts are appearing a little out of the blue and on a slight time delay.

      I was about to reply to yet another one of your posts, then i clicked on the link to your site and i realised….

      YOU ARE THE OBESITY CRISIS ROISSY SPEAKS OF.

      A wise man once said….

      “lolzolorlzolz”

      i think that endz all discussion with you my dear

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    101. on March 26, 2010 at 11:11 pm Gx1080

      Read: Why math-computer careers suck to meet chicks.

      Having to wade through a bunch of 5-6 with high egos, because EVERY SINGLE OF THEM (except the extremely ugly, deformed one, duh) has at least 2 orbiters is a major pain in the ass.

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    102. on March 26, 2010 at 11:17 pm Topher

      “What’s interesting is that it seems the “average” women, instead of choosing the best of the betas, will simply hold out longer until an actual alpha arrives on the scene”

      As an engineer myself I saw this in person, but all men need to understand this. Women are not like dudes, who will generally take the best _available_ option for a given situation. You will NOT wear her down into a moment of weakness and realization that you are the best she can get at that time.

      It’s the 80-20 rule…

      Women in general are programmed for hypergamy – they are only attracted to the top 20% (protect the egg).

      Men in general are programmed to be receptive to hypergamy – don’t be bashful with any woman who will say yes (spread the seed).

      Ergo, in deference to Richard Devlin, a rotating 20% of the guys are getting 80% of the girls. If you aren’t getting yourself up to that 20%, your lays are an accident of nature, or they are not happening at all.

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    103. on March 26, 2010 at 11:30 pm Topher

      NMH,

      So how DO you enjoy living in Wisconsin?

      Matt,

      “American women are fat because they are addicted to eating and lack the self control, due to our instant gratification culture, to reduce the amount they eat and increase the amount they exercise. In fact, women seem to be more prone to various addictions than men.”

      I have noticed this as well – overweightness is treated as if it’s the flu, you just catch it and blow up. Everyone has a different body type and some people have rare diseases, but in most cases it’s a process that begins with a serious lack of discipline. Instant gratification culture and the need to over-emotionalize everything (stress builds fat and promotes eating) have a lot to do with it.

      I also see women guzzling high-sugar mixed drinks one after another in bars and wonder why female alcoholism isn’t seen as more of a problem.

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    104. on March 26, 2010 at 11:36 pm OstroNova

      Off-topic but I just wanted to share this bit of repartee with you:

      The Pope’s Potential Legal Woes — Growing Chorus:

      “Arrest The Pope”

      (Actually the chorus mainly consists of me saying that over and over again to my computer.)

      I see now why Catholic priests and their bosses have always worn those long robe things; you can hide a small boy under one in a pinch (Ow! Ooh! My boy, stop that at once *giggle*!)

      Picture a couple of priests or Archie-bishops or whatever those witch doctors call themselves, standing in their robes in the middle of a busy cathedral, having what looks and sounds to be a serious conversation. Hidden under each robe is a small naked choirboy, earning his soda and chips for the day. All concerned are having a whale of a time (the boys won’t enjoy the memory so much later on, but that’s one of the many unfortunate results of growing up.)

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    105. on March 26, 2010 at 11:41 pm Corey

      Roissy,

      I go to UNC and this was recently a big deal on campus:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html

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    106. on March 26, 2010 at 11:52 pm kdksfjdlskfj

      Roissy – read the economist’s “genercide” article about a month back. feature article. discusses the sex ratio imbalance of different regions and countires. 105:100 is normal, anything beyond that is biologically impossible. India gets around 115+:100 and China is extremely high in particular regions. What you would find interesting is the discussion where it has been proven to link crime and other decrease of well-being to the gender imbalance.

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    107. on March 27, 2010 at 12:45 am xsplat

      Stud

      Rather about times when a woman I consider well doable, but I’d rather not be seen with her flakes/turns her back on you obviously because she feels she has too many options, at the most innocuous “betaness”, like slipping into boring conversation too soon. It even stopped affecting my ego, some of them are just funny. Yet for a guy without greener pasture options / experience it can be crushing.

      Stud, on the subject of western girls finding themselves in a totally different sexual marketplace once in the east, I wrote this in Sept of 04:

      Occasionally I’ll come across a western girl and say hello, and she’ll put on airs. She musters up the great force of rejection, and her effort is pitiable. All I did was smile and say hello, and I get looked up and down like who the fuck am I to deign to introduce myself? Tourist girl doesn’t know the value of her coin. That moment is sweet.

      Seeing her dwelling in her primping toilet of importance, without a clue that her supply is not important to my demand. I love that revenge.

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    108. on March 27, 2010 at 2:18 am KC

      Hi, I reached your site from Chapin’s Inferno and have been obsessively reading your posts. I had read about the theory behind mate selection earlier, but your mixing of theory and reality is fascinating. This is not exactly about this post alone, but I would be very happy if you would write a book. Your posts/articles are very interesting to read, though harshly brutal and realistic. Please, please write a book and post the publisher’s name. We would like all your essays in one book and I would certainly buy it. An admirer from India.

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    109. on March 27, 2010 at 2:18 am xsplat

      Vince

      Surprisingly, what the vast majority of these comments about the so-called evils of feminism discuss almost invariably fail to discuss technology’s capacity to alter the social-economic landscape.

      Socio-econimic-technological landscape, yes.

      Because of technology, we have a service economy, plus birth control, plus machines that devalue manual labor/mens labor.

      I harp on and on about this error in thinking on this blog. I labe this social constructivist thinking, and liken it to female thinking, because females think in terms of gossip and social rules.

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    110. on March 27, 2010 at 2:29 am xsplat

      More than any other motivator, people are motivated by selfish interests. More than any other factor that affects a persons choices to satisfy their selfish interests, is the factor of technology.

      Not religion. Not social sanction.

      More than any other factor that alters what people will chose as their lifestyle choice is technology.

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    111. on March 27, 2010 at 2:36 am xsplat

      And this is of course why I deride the Spearhead crowd as a group. They lean social constructivist, which makes them impotent at rallying to an effective call to action to counter social ills. Because they can’t grasp the big picture, they don’t know where to begin to fix it. They want to fix the TV by painting a new picture on the screen.

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    112. on March 27, 2010 at 2:45 am jackson

      I learn so much from reading these comments. There is so much useful information in them that I never would have known otherwise. Thank you everyone. I appreciate all of the information. It is a huge help.

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    113. on March 27, 2010 at 3:05 am White Woman

      Self control: Interesting that you all want women to have no self control when you want sex but expect them to have it with regards to food. Seriously, perhaps the reason so many women are fat is because our culture is in the toilet morally and women (and men) just do what feels good; sex, over-drinking, drugging, over-spending, over-eating and so forth. I think generally a person either has self discipline in most areas of their life or they don’t.

      @Stud Dynamite So the girl is “doable” but you don’t want to be seen with her. Do you ever wonder if she senses that she will be a pump and dump and decides to opt out? Kind of unfair to call someone you disrespect so much a flake.

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    114. on March 27, 2010 at 3:12 am Jesus

      you know, really, lovely fucking good sex is always about shooting a enormous load inside a beautiful horny woman, the kind that would make a baby. this is love. even if you don’t want the baby in reality, and you use a condom, the feeling is the same.

      but shooting our load inside condoms is just fucking lame. it is the beta revenge and we are not noticing it. it means: society is so full of shit and dominated by stupid imbecile women, that a real man can no longer have a child, and love doing it, without having to fear his idiotic wife shitty-bitch behavior and further persecution by the crap of justice. he can’t find a real woman to really love nor a benefic state to do it in.

      he is, then, channeling love in small and tepid quantities to fuel his pumping, leaving all that bodily effort, a seed (c’mon, its fucking extraordinary when you think of it) in a rubber motherfucking penile glove. rotating partners ad absurdum but making and raising no heirs. it is stupid and does not favor evolution; it favors population control on behalf of bullshit we can’t deal with. it favors lack of deep connection.

      betas win because alphas are made to be the same as betas were: they procreate less. cuckolding doesn’t count as much because there is no strong connection and solid, loving raising by the alpha male who is smarter and stronger. we are humans, and alpha skills shows up in upbringing. even if the child is genetically superior, it will be raised by the stupid wife and provider cybernetic beta in a betatized environment; making a standard douche of a child.

      most alphas refrain from making families, while betas thrive on it. they can be cuckolded now and then, but their genes and culture and knowledge are passing along like a river, while alphas are absorbed in a roman-decadence-like spiral: pleasure until our bodies collapse. “i’m a fucking gangsta”.

      as Nietzsche said: don’t blame women for women behavior, blame the men and institutions that educate them.

      alpha means having attentions of beautiful and young girls, all right, but means being able to rule. like kings, not like pimps. lording the ho’s means nothing to mankind, its just doucherism in the end. we should never forget that.

      real man set the rules for women and men to follow, they don’t just -and only- explore the loopholes of the lack of kingship for self-benefit.

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    115. on March 27, 2010 at 3:56 am z

      ……just would like to note how sad it is when we see plump-to-genuinely-fat girls with pretty faces, and how hot they could be if they were just willing to take a brisk 20 minute walk every day for 6 months and eat sensibly. Its as if they have chosen to be “omega females” on purpose because of lack of willpower.

      I seen one of these working at a McDonalds a few months back. She had beautiful brunette hair (2/3 of the way down her back with natural-looking auburn highlights)with the whitest-ivory soap-skin and big-gemstone-eyes that Id seen in some time. She was a dermatological home-run. She had so many positive feminine facial features. She just “glowed”, but her body was a sack-of-potatoes. There used to be one waitress at a Waffle House in particular with home-run quality from the neck up. From her neck up she was glorious, but she was getting fat. Her ass was flat as a board. I guess a feminine equivalent would be something like a guy who looked like a young Elvis, but weighed 350 lbs, or a guy with a 13-inch-dick the size of a beer can, but was as fugly as Tiny Tim or whatever. Women are probably equally enraptured and repulsed by such men. I got that same queasy feeling in my stomach looking at that chick at McDonalds……”aw man, look at that baby-doll face”…………and then “ewwwwww……..I bet she looks rough (and smells rough) with ‘nuthin’ on: pendulous breast, rolls of fat, stretch-marks, the smell, cellulite everywhere, flabby arms…….ick”. Kinda like walking up to a rose and finding out that it stinks, it even impairs the visual image your recollection would like to concoct for you in your mind.

      Jesus,
      You make some interesting points that Ive noted to myself, hence my fierce opposition to our misandrist divorce and custody arrangements. The whole civilization loses out from them, kinda like we all lose out any time real wealth is destroyed.

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    116. on March 27, 2010 at 4:04 am old guy

      @ rep agent

      Interesting maps, thanks.

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    117. on March 27, 2010 at 4:15 am Hungry Hungry Hippos

      I agree with Mike. Most game advocates immediately try to understate the importance of being in shape because they are typically 150lbs soaking wet and have never performed a full squat with any appreciable weight in their lives. Getting into olympic lifting did way more for me with women than learning game. Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe made me way more attractive to women than The Mystery Method.

      Also a lot of people “work out” and go to the gym, but an extremely small portion of those people actually train properly. I’m guessing this is another reason why most game gurus often underestimate the impact of a solid fitness program on a man’s ability to attract women; to them going to the gym just means screwing around on machines or treadmills for an hour without a plan.

      Obviously being big and strong will not make you an instant alpha, but with the initial approach and attraction, which is half the battle for many men, it helps tremendously.

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    118. on March 27, 2010 at 4:34 am xsplat

      “Also a lot of people “work out” and go to the gym, but an extremely small portion of those people actually train properly.”

      Really? It’s not that complicated. You just choose exercises for each muscle group, (some get two or three exercises) and push or pull a weight that you can barely do 10 reps with. As your strength increases this can lower down to 8 reps. Be careful not start each session with low weights to warm up, in order not to harm any cartilage or tear any muscles.

      Once you build up some strength, 10 reps should leave your heart pounding hard and your breath going fast. It should take a great deal of energy and might make you vocal.

      It doesn’t take a trainer to know the few exercises you need. Three times a week – it’s important to leave that two day rest as that’s when you gain your greatest bulk.

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    119. on March 27, 2010 at 4:42 am Anon

      Christ… I wish the fat chicks here stayed at home.

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    120. on March 27, 2010 at 7:41 am Vincent Ignatius

      Getting into olympic lifting did way more for me with women than learning game.

      I have to agree. Recreational bodybuilding has done as much as game for me. Though a large chunk of that is probably confidence, which game teaches anyway. But the fact that I score some chicks based mostly on physical attractiveness can’t be denied.

      The problem with deemphasizing looks in female selection is that it is based on women’s stated rather than their revealed preferences. In reality, women are drawn towards healthy people so a guy who looks good already has half the job done. Of course, a chubby Latin American dictator can always score chicks, but he’d be dead in the water with hot chicks if he didn’t have that status.

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    121. on March 27, 2010 at 7:56 am NMHH

      They all get faaaaatttt….all of them…..every single one…..

      http://www.beforeandaftermarriage.com/category/7/45

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    122. on March 27, 2010 at 8:20 am xsplat

      I’ve got a comment in mod about weightlifting, outlining the simple routine. Forgot to say 3 sets of 8 to 10 reps per exercise, two or three excersises per muscle group. You should not be able to pull out one more rep once if your weights are maxed out correctly.

      On that routine starting from nothing I’m pushing twice my body weight after three months, which I think is about normal for my age. Might have got there in two months in my teens.

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    123. on March 27, 2010 at 8:26 am xsplat

      Vincent, along the line of boosting confidence, as an entrepreneur whose fortunes fluctuate, I can tell you that wallet size has the same effect as pec size. When you are sitting on a fat wallet, you feel the force of your magnetism.

      Gym, wallet, charisma, sexual ability, wit, and last and also foremost, DOMINANCE.

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    124. on March 27, 2010 at 8:43 am Nicole

      Okay, on the fat issue:

      1. There has been no significant increase in the percentage of obese women in the age group that matters (16-25) since the 80’s.

      The statistics are munged because the CDC is not men, and they are lumping 39 year old women in with 20 year old women. You just don’t see that many fat 20 year olds.

      When you see a fat woman, you can bet money that she’s very likely at least 25, but probably over 30, and has had at least one pregnancy, even if she doesn’t have any live children.

      2. As White Woman says, it’s kind of strange that some of you expect a woman to have high restraint with food, and low restraint with sex. Willpower is kind of an across the board personality trait. A woman who is free about sex is very likely to be free about food. A woman who is pathologically obsessive about sex is also very likely to be pathologically obsessive about food. The variability in the latter situation is due to the range of pathological food related behaviors including binge eaters who don’t purge, binge eaters who do, and anorexics, which now also includes anorexia lifestylers who eat only the minimum for survival and live on 1000 calories a day and vitamins.

      So between the munged statistics, cougar style, and facts at ground level, what you’re seeing is that the women *available for casual sex* are fatter.

      Until recently, there were simply not many women available for casual sex. Certainly very few women over the age of 23 or so, were out running around looking for who to shag. Hook-up culture used to be a subculture, and has only recently become mainstream…and it is barely that.

      Most women who love themselves are not out there and not dressing as if they do, no matter what feminists say. The good girls from good families, like I was, are taking care of themselves physically and psychologically, and either not messing around at all, or only with their boyfriend in committed relationships. Every so often, you might come across one going through a phase, but it’s just a phase.

      The girls who are riding the cock carousel are going to either be the bottom of the barrel or ignorant feminist sheep who, along with buying the sexual freedom thing, are going to buy the okay-to-let-yourself-go thing.

      Fat and single older women are more likely to have confidence or perception issues that drive them out to widen their net.

      So really, it’s not that there are more fat chicks. It’s just that fat chicks are a good proportion of the ones more likely to give you sex without a real relationship.

      Now, my question to you guys is seriously…Why should a fit woman who would historically and naturally have a good shot at a committed relationship, put her eggs on the line for one or two nights with a guy who is just trying to hit and forget?

      You claim that they are overvalued, but they are just doing what nature calls them to do, which is save their eggs for the highest bidder on a few levels, resources being just the most basic of them.

      Why should an average to high value woman bank her eggs on a low investment man?

      (I know it looks strange that I would be defending the thin, but that was me until I became hypothyroid and didn’t know how to fix it for 14 years.)

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    125. on March 27, 2010 at 8:48 am xsplat

      There was a time ten years ago in the US when it meant absolutely nothing to me to blow 1 or 2 hundred bucks on a date. It wasn’t a matter of throwing away money recklessly, it was a matter of not being able to make the slightest dent on my finances spending that much.

      It made a difference with the girls, let me tell you. Impressed the hell out of them, and I started to get all these complements about – get this – my PERSONALITY.

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    126. on March 27, 2010 at 8:50 am Topher

      “@Stud Dynamite So the girl is “doable” but you don’t want to be seen with her. Do you ever wonder if she senses that she will be a pump and dump and decides to opt out? Kind of unfair to call someone you disrespect so much a flake.”

      You can say the same thing the other way – lots of women find men attractive they’d never take back to their friends due to status-whoring. So they’ll take the sex and dash out before the sisterhood finds out, or they will blame it on being drunk.

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    127. on March 27, 2010 at 9:10 am xsplat

      And it was that time in my life that made a turning point for me. True, when broke I did suffer a loss of confidence. But never again did I feel the same way about myself. From then on for all the girls knew I was floating in dosh, or about to be. I was an entrepreneur with an undisclosed amount of financial backup. Always vague about. “How’s your business going?”. “Fine.” I paid for dinner regularly once fucking, but no trinkets.

      Having had the taste of how women treat me when I’m wealthy changed how I perceived my attractiveness, or potential attractiveness. I suppose you could say it was the beginning of learning game.

      I sometimes hear people here question the value of game, on the basis that a beta can’t change his stripes. But thousands of people have anecdotes of learning confidence, through both changing their externalities and working on their internalities.

      If you want to get a taste of what fame or good looks feels like, once you have some basic dating skills, go to Asia. I swear on a stack of holy lingams that you can have a super hottie in love with you and dancing hot with a group of hotties on the bar. Or have her attract a small crowd of young super hotties and dance sexy with each other, when she isn’t taking a break to rub up against your crotch. You can date two or more girls.

      After you’ve had real relationships (not pump and dumps) with ten or twenty attractive early twenties girls, you get a different sense of things. Bring that number up and you realize that you can keep this up. You can date the hottest girl in the city – or one of the hottest. You can travel to a new city and have a serious and hot girlfriend within a month or two, or just date several. If you want you can schedule a trip and get a new chaperone in each city. You can do whatever the fuck you want.

      Being in Asia is like being rich, or handsome, or famous. Learn some sexual skills, charm and charisma, add to that some real wealth and a good body, and you are the man. Whatever you want.

      I don’t know why I’m telling other people this. In cities where there are many expats I can’t compete at all. It only works for me in undiscovered places. I can’t compete with all those young tall handsome and fit Aussie surfers in Bali. Fuck em.

      Ok – never mind what I said. Don’t go to Asia. Asia sucks.

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    128. on March 27, 2010 at 9:22 am xsplat

      Topher

      You can say the same thing the other way – lots of women find men attractive they’d never take back to their friends due to status-whoring. So they’ll take the sex and dash out before the sisterhood finds out, or they will blame it on being drunk.

      Sure, and for twenty something guys, who wants to be seen with that forty something girl? Sure, she’s a squirter and gives great head, sure she’s funny and treats you great, but you don’t want to stand in line at the movie theater with her.

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    129. on March 27, 2010 at 9:26 am xsplat

      Oh, about Asia, I’ve got to amend the comment. Because girls are girls are girls, until you learn the ropes, you WILL get played. Women fuck men over. It’s their job. It’s what they do.

      The only way to learn how to pass shit tests, to not get fucked over, to learn to dominate even a stone cold player bitch, is through trial and error.

      Asian girls will eat you alive and boast to their friends about it. For many, you are an industry. Not a man, an industry.

      Still, you can play a player. If you play poker well, you can beat a pro. You can get these girls to fall and fall hard for you. You can enslave them. And who doesn’t want a hot young woman doting on you feverishly, looking up at you with puppy dog eyes, full of wonder and devotion. Who doesn’t want that?

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    130. on March 27, 2010 at 9:37 am xsplat

      About numbers and momentum – there was a time in my early twenties when hot chicks intimidated me so much that I wasn’t even attracted to them. After dating my first super hot babe – a 24 year old when I was nearing thirty, my tastes changed. A mental note of this turning point was made. Hot chicks are attractive.

      After non-monogamous dating in Asia, when the numbers started to climb, I started to recognize facial types in many of the girls walking down the street. Hey, she looks like that girl I used to date. I could fuck her too. You start to view the attractive women as attainable.

      Sure, sometimes the stunner will leave you speechless. But after you’ve had a few stunners you know that they can find you attractive. Even fall for you. You know your power to hypnotize them. You know you are a spider, in a web. The bird thinks he’s swooping down to eat you, but you are a bird eating spider.

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    131. on March 27, 2010 at 9:40 am xsplat

      The bird thinks she’s swooping down to eat you, but you are a bird eating spider with bird strength webbing.

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    132. on March 27, 2010 at 9:50 am xsplat

      I want to get back to the point that I’m ugly. Some nights out on the town I couldn’t get laid by the hookers. Yes, that bad. Seriously disadvantaged.

      But it’s still possible to date college educated young women of good family, and have them fall for you. It takes a different skill set to get your foot in the door. You aren’t as likely to do it chatting the girl up in the bar (though I started a one year live in relationship that way – by playing with her pussy in the bar fifteen minutes into meeting her). It will be harder for you if you are short and balding and ugly, but it’s amazing how an ugly face can grow on a woman like a bad case of tonail fungus. You get under her skin until you are a part of her. Your handicap becomes no handicap at all – she becomes put at ease, thinking other girls won’t fall for you as easily. Or better yet, knowing that you are dating others, can’t put her finger on your magnetism, and can no longer deny it either.

      Is there a greater thrill than being ugly and dating a hottie? I suppose being handsome might be better. When looking in the mirror in the shopping malls, me old and ugly, with a super hottie hanging on my arm, it sure looks strange.

      It’s said that a stolen watermelon is tastier. That a hard earned meal is more satisfying. Being ugly and fully and completely winning over a hottie is living large.

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    133. on March 27, 2010 at 9:58 am Paul

      Vince, you are absolutely right. One of my favorite Dave Chappelle jokes is about how men buy nice cars not because THEY like nice cars, but because hot girls do. Same thing with highly successful guys like Jerry Buss. Maybe satisfying his own ego was part of his drive to success but the other part was to screw the hottest women ad infinitum.

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    134. on March 27, 2010 at 11:02 am Anonymous

      Hey, you’ve just described the situation in most Arab countries after all the weathy dudes who can afford four (4) wives have come in and snapped up more than their share. And, they’ve also got “Man-Love Thursday” (i.e., the day before Holy Friday when they have to be good) which we call “prison gay”… remember if it’s just sex it’s not “gay” (which involves love) and, even for sticklers, it’s only gay if you’ve lost the toss and are on the receiving end (the guy in the stickin’-it-in “man” role is, of course, not gay). Naturally, to point out that anying involving two men and an orgasm is actually gay will get you accused of being a corrupt pussy-whipped infidel westerner who doesn’t know anything and then probably asked if you like gladiator movies or ever seen a grown man naked. (Remember what happened to Lawrence of Arabia at the hands of the Turks.)

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    135. on March 27, 2010 at 11:30 am White Woman

      xsplat–maybe you should start your own blog…you have a lot to say.

      Jesus–you made some great points. I’m particularly concerned about the low birth rates among my people. We’re been duped into wiping ourselves off the planet.

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    136. on March 27, 2010 at 11:33 am Aen

      @ Xplat:

      “On that routine starting from nothing I’m pushing twice my body weight after three months, which I think is about normal for my age. Might have got there in two months in my teens.”

      Fantasy.
      You aren’t benching twice your bodyweight after 3 months.

      You’d be lucky to do it after 3 years.
      2 x bodyweight isn’t just in the range of professional powerlifting, depending on bodyweight it’s nearing the realm of world records.

      http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/raw-bench-press

      So it seems you’re either:
      A: referring to deadlifting as ‘pushing’
      B: a keyboard jockey
      C: confusing pounds with kilograms.

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    137. on March 27, 2010 at 11:38 am xsplat

      Ya, I don’t know Aen. The numbers on the machine say something like 270/123, which I interpret as pounds and kilos, and I weigh about 61 kilos, according to their scale.

      So yeah, the machine may be wrong about those numbers. It’s a sit up style bench press. I’ve not tested my numbers with free weights.

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    138. on March 27, 2010 at 11:41 am xsplat

      White Woman, I do have my own blog. You can click on my avatar.

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    139. on March 27, 2010 at 11:42 am White Woman

      Doh!

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    140. on March 27, 2010 at 11:46 am xsplat

      Anyway Aen, I’m hitting the second to last weight on the stack – nearly lifting the whole stack on that machine. Not bad for a little guy. I’m just a small guy and no one every suspects that I can lift as much as some big dudes. My point was supposed to be about the fact that three months of weight training, even for a beginner, will get you to a place where you look better with your shirt off than with it on.

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    141. on March 27, 2010 at 11:58 am kdksfjdlskfj

      Roissy,

      Here is the abstract. You have to track down the thorough 8+ page article in a print economist. Guaranteed interesting reading for you. It covers so many different angles.

      http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15606229

      Best.

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    142. on March 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm Skadi

      It’s great to see that the guys here are talking about exercising. Men should be fit. It is natural that men are leaner but women have slightly more body fat (so that they can bear children). The biggest problem is the sedentary lifestyle. Women tend to appear ‘fatter’ because they’re accustomed to wearing tighter clothes. Guys usually (in the States especially) wear baggy shirts and pants, you can’t really see that they don’t have muscle or are even overweight under all those loose clothes. While the girls usually wear tighter clothes and every little piece of body becomes visible.

      About ratios.. a surplus of men does not necessarily always mean turmoil, it can lead to more peaceful societies.. depending on the sexual mores. Actually, the guys in the West should be content with this post-feminist situation, because sex is now available for most guys without really doing much (girls give it quite easily). When alphas monopolized most females, betas did not have a chance to mate at all (and most men are betas). In a traditionalist society, the guy HAD to marry the girl just to get sex and stay with her for the rest of his life (plus not every guy could have a mistress). So for guys today this should be the best time in history – sex without family obligations is available both for alphas and betas.

      The problem is that guys today are spoiled with unrealistic media images of women. A normal woman is not considered attractive anymore. Many average guys have an attitude of entitlement – they think they deserve the young and beautiful (hot). Aiming that high doesn’t help their situation.

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    143. on March 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm xsplat

      Hey, Aen! Why you be so besmirchin? The record holders are lifting 3.13 times their bodyweight. I’m somewhere in the area of two, according to a probably innacurate machine. Aint no thing.

      Now if I weighed more, ya, it would be something to boast about.

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    144. on March 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm xsplat

      The problem is that guys today are spoiled with unrealistic media images of women. A normal woman is not considered attractive anymore. Many average guys have an attitude of entitlement – they think they deserve the young and beautiful (hot). Aiming that high doesn’t help their situation.

      Nonsense. Some of us earn our entitlement by being spoiled by real life images of the women in our beds.

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    145. on March 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm Skadi

      This Chinese/Indian practice of culling the girls is an example of how patriarchy, devaluation of women and misogyny hurts the society as a whole and men themselves. In this case, it will also hurt other continents. Chinese growth will stall but their wages are still gradually growing and they have bought up gold and land. While the Western men’s salaries will fall (because the West has overspent). Will these Chinese men come to Europe and America for women? They are already pushing into the Siberian Russia. Are any of those Chinese boys sexy at all?

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    146. on March 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm xsplat

      I’d be interested to know how much of the infanticidal patriarchy, devaluation of females, and misogyny is at the behest of the mothers, Skadi.

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    147. on March 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm xsplat

      You’re probably unaware of this, Skadi, but Asia (at least SE Asia) is heavily matriarchal. The housewives run the house, their children, and usually their husband too.

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    148. on March 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm Skadi

      Whatever. The fact remains that the society as a whole (both men and women) grant males a higher social status while females are valued less. To the detriment of that patriarchial society itself. Very interesting what will happen.

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    149. on March 27, 2010 at 1:35 pm Nicole

      Xsplat, I read a book some time ago, _Aztec_ that was fiction, but it raised an interesting question about self destructive cultures.

      When the main character was sent to go explore the cultures in his king’s domain, he went looking for the origins of their state religion. He found in some of the outskirts, stories of a woman whose lover was killed as a sacrifice at a time when such things were rare.

      As vengeance, she started a cult for which constant human sacrifice was required.

      In real life, as you know, many African cultures practice female circumcision. I’m told that the reason this is done is so that women won’t get carried away by sexual lust. If however, you ask a more educated African man about this, he’ll tell you that this actually deprives men of pleasure more than it keeps women under control.

      It’s said that every prostitute in Egypt has been circumcised. Yet in the same breath, proponents of forced FGM say that it is done to ensure a girl’s chastity.

      In Masai cultures, it’s considered a kind of sin for a man to have sex with an uncircumcised woman, and yet many do it so that once in their lives before they are married, they will experience the pleasure of giving pleasure to a woman.

      A great many things that are blamed on patriarchy are driven by women. Women are much more invested in traditions that reduce female competition or make it “sinful” than men.

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    150. on March 27, 2010 at 1:42 pm chi-town

      @Skadi

      Women are not normal in the US. We are the fattest in the world at the fattest time in history. The good news is that at this time in history I had access to women outside the US. So I just ignored fatties.

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    151. on March 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm xsplat

      Skadi, do you have brown eyes?

      You are regurgitating all the crap you’ve swallowed all over the blog. I’m figuring you’re backed up all the way to your eyeballs.

      Fucking woman’s studies goof.

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    152. on March 27, 2010 at 1:49 pm Skadi

      The portions in the States are too big and food adverts too enticing. 🙂 But the men eat the same food as women, don’t they? Are most men slender and athletic?

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    153. on March 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm xsplat

      A great many things that are blamed on patriarchy are driven by women. Women are much more invested in traditions that reduce female competition or make it “sinful” than men.

      Yes, it would be in women’s interest to have less women. And women are fiercely anti competitive, right down to the pre-curser of every tiny motion of their emotions. And in terms of reproduction, it would be in the interest of both parents if the offspring was a (status) male. More potential for a higher number of offspring.

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    154. on March 27, 2010 at 1:56 pm Skadi

      That’s exactly the point – oppressing women eventually hurts men.

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    155. on March 27, 2010 at 1:59 pm xsplat

      Skadi, you retard, infanticide of female infants doesn’t oppress women. It helps adult women have hand over men.

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    156. on March 27, 2010 at 2:03 pm Skadi

      xsplat, you midget, don’t bother talking to me as I will not get down to your level and reply to you because of your baseless ad hominem rudeness.

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    157. on March 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm xsplat

      You’re right. I’m sorry. That your stupid. Because its fucking irritating.

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    158. on March 27, 2010 at 2:17 pm Nicole

      Skadi, but our point is that it’s not the patriarchy doing it. Female infanticide, FGM, forced veiling, etc. are all examples of women enforcing these rules on other women, and just using men as their thugs.

      A rich or middle income woman in Saudi Arabia or Iran isn’t hurt one bit by enforcement of a narrow interpretation of hijab. Her security as the sole or one of only few wives however, would be in jeopardy if lower income women were permitted to increase their status by being visible and available to their husbands or potential husbands.

      In Jordan, it’s difficult for a guy of sufficient means to find a wife, not because men want it that way, but because women and their families want to hold out for the highest bidder they can get. When honor killings happen, often because two people met, fell in love, and did what people do (and often didn’t even actually do it), but the guy couldn’t afford to marry her, moms is standing there yelling praise at the brother who slits the girl’s throat.

      No single or divorced older woman screwing half the cute teenage boys in her neighborhood is ever hunted down and killed for being a fornicator. The guys she’s screwing keep their mouths shut (unless talking to a multi faith spiritual counselor), and her family is long past caring because her time to bag a rich guy is past already.

      This and most of such backwardness is one of those “he who does the work gets the blame” things. Men have no collective interest in killing off their supply of women willing to have sex with them. Women do have an interest in keeping competition at a minimum, and enforcing social hierarchy to the death.

      In more modern cultures, women try to drive each other to suicide, and convince their male peers to join in harassing girls they view as competitors.

      There was this guy I knew in high school who gave me no end to grief for a couple of years. For a long time I thought he was acting independently. Later, I found out that the people encouraging him and his male friends to bitch at me all the time were the “popular” girls. The guys were convinced by other girls that picking on me was a good idea. That was why it started on the first day I got there.

      Until I found that out, I just thought the dude was nuts.

      I’m not saying this is always the case. It does spiral out of control, and at some point, men do really believe the tradition or hype, but at the beginning of almost all of this kind of idiocy is women. Women set the standards, and men are just the enforcers because they believe that they have to be.

      I mean…have you ever met a Chinese or hey, Israeli Jewish guy highly invested in their culture? Their dad doesn’t care if they marry a jungle girl from the deepest, darkest corner of the Congo with a bone in her nose so long as she understands the use of laundry detergent. It’s the mom whose heart will be broken if he marries out.

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    159. on March 27, 2010 at 2:52 pm Anonymous

      “Since I have no interest in dating someone who outweighs me and I’m not an Alpha asshole, I expect to be single and childless the rest of my life. I know how good a husband and father I would be, why should I settle for some third rate woman?

      On the flip side, I wish I wasn’t only attracted to white women. Hispanic/Oriental/Melanesian/etc. women just don’t really turn me on.”

      If you’re serious about getting married, consider spending time in Europe, both Western and Eastern. If you could move there you could easily find a thin white wife. I’d stay out of the big urban centres like Amsterdam and go to the smaller towns. If all fails in Western Europe, make your way to Hungary, Latvia and the Czech Republic…

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    160. on March 27, 2010 at 2:52 pm Skadi

      Nicole, patriarchy has been supported and embraced by both men and women, but the fact that some women support it does not make it fair. Your point is clear, but you are going slightly overboard on blaming women specifically for the hatred of their own gender. Saying that “women try to drive each other into suicide” – these are just loud words without basis in reality. Please, do not demonize females.

      Yes, the women in those underdeveloped countries participate in sexist crimes against girls, but this is exactly because they are guided by patriarchial religions or social systems. It is neither right or fair. And eventually, this hurts both men and women.

      And why should a woman be “hunted” down for having sex with a teenage boy (unless he’s underage)? The boy wants it himself and is happy, many boys initiate these contacts. As long as he is not hurt or somehow abused, it is fine.

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    161. on March 27, 2010 at 3:01 pm xsplat

      @realist – just saw your posts that were wandering lost in moderation land.

      Ya, I get it that generally most of us men need to harsh up some. Some. You’d probably agree with me that it’s possible to go overboard to the point of lowering quality of life.

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    162. on March 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm novaseeker

      The problem I have always had with the sex ratio argument is that it assumes that women, at all ages and at all desirability levels and in all locales, will use their relative scarcity to impose commitment on men as a condition to sexual access. This assumption is rather obviously off-base. It’s true that women will use their sex ratio advantage to control the situation, but the sex ratio theorists, writing in the early 80s (i.e., almost 30 years ago) didn’t think that women would use this power for their own sexual fulfillment. Women do have power under the sex ratio, but most women are not using that power to cram down commitment on men, and are instead using it to ignore most men and focus on a small group of men, deploying sex on them as a means to try to obtain commitment from one of these highly desirable types. Women have changed quite a bit in terms of behavior since the data the early 80s studies were looking at.

      I think Malloy actually also agrees with this in some ways. I once had some back and forth with him on this, and he essentially said that he thinks that the sex ratio is a factor, but a weak one, and that other factors are probably more impactful. He does think, however, that the high sex ratio has some impact, and that without a high sex ratio it would be even more of a free for all than it is now. That’s possible as well, I think. Certainly where we see low sex ratios — as on college campuses — it’s a complete romp.

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    163. on March 27, 2010 at 3:03 pm Skadi

      It makes sense not to settle for a “third rate” partner. Same goes for women… if you know what you can give and when you see the quality of many men, there is no point to settle with a guy who is not good marriage or father material. The sad part is the loss for the white race as the needed kids will not be born.

      Anonymous, if one is considering Latvia, my country, they better be fast – there is a massive exodus from Latvia of young people (including women) and the most amazing thing is happening on the streets now – there appear to be more men than women! It is an unbelievable sight outside my window – there are hordes of young Western men on the streets, looking for our girls. Not just sex tourists, but normal, even good men.

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    164. on March 27, 2010 at 3:04 pm novaseeker

      And why should a woman be “hunted” down for having sex with a teenage boy (unless he’s underage)? The boy wants it himself and is happy, many boys initiate these contacts. As long as he is not hurt or somehow abused, it is fine.

      And if an underage girl has fully consensual sex with an older guy, the law should leave that alone as well, right? After all, no harm, no foul.

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    165. on March 27, 2010 at 3:05 pm xsplat

      Ya, Skadi, no matter what women do, it’s men’s fault.

      Even if women indoctrinate the men, from childbirth when they spend most time with mom, up until school when most of the teachers are women, all ideas come from men.

      Hey, if all ideas come from men, you women must be really stupid.

      If you women are that stupid, we’d better get back to a strong patriarchy.

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    166. on March 27, 2010 at 3:09 pm xsplat

      Skadi, from now on I’m going to call you doughnut. You’ve got nothing but a vacuous hole where your substance should be, unless you use it to be filled with cream.

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    167. on March 27, 2010 at 3:10 pm chi-town

      @Nicole

      An enlightened view point. Young women have always been hated by older women. Its the old mirror, mirror on the wall. As of now the older career female at 35 must already be beginning to see its her younger self that is the cause of all the trouble. Her male 35 year old peer having access to a 22 year old is a clear breech of what they have been trying to put together. I can very easily see a cultural pattern develop coming from older women.

      Of course some people may object that it is not a common occurrence. Yet who is likely to be skimmed from this 35 year old pool who can bed a 22 year old with ease? While it may be a small proportion on the whole, it is a large proportion of the desirable. This is the cream of the crop.

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    168. on March 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm namae nanka

      The economist article reeks of Orwellian.
      “Baby girls” instead of “fetus”, and how abortion somehow is akin to killing, and then goes on to say “Women are missing in their millions”.

      Words and phrases like “carnage”, “sky crashing down”, “catastrophic”, and “female suicide rates” lol
      and the clincher:
      “Gendercide exists on almost every continent. It affects rich and poor; educated and illiterate; Hindu, Muslim, Confucian and Christian alike.”

      The excrept online borders on rhetoric more than reality.

      And India has a state with excess of women, given the natural bias in favour of boys there should be some unnatural causes playing there as well.But of course, that is equality doing it’s work.

      A saner look at the excess males in China and the so-called bare branches:

      http://www.mutantpalm.org/2007/10/30/chinas-future-clockwork-orange.html

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    169. on March 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm xsplat

      But you’re filled with crap instead. So I guess I’ll have to call you crap doughnut.

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    170. on March 27, 2010 at 3:14 pm Skadi

      Women give sex away too easily, so the sex ratio is not as strong a factor as it would be in a traditionalist society where women don’t have sexual freedom. This is why most men benefit from liberalism, as most betas can now get sex. It is not just alphas that the women sleep around with.

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    171. on March 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm Skadi

      nova, there should be no illegal sex, no matter boys or girls. Kids under 16 must be protected, even if the boys are dying to get laid. 🙂

      Older women hating on younger is exaggerated, it’s the male craving that lies at the root of everything. Besides, most 35 year olds don’t marry 22 year olds. Sure they wish, but they don’t. They stay single until their 40s (and thus risk remaining single forever).

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    172. on March 27, 2010 at 3:27 pm novaseeker

      This is why most men benefit from liberalism, as most betas can now get sex. It is not just alphas that the women sleep around with.

      Not really true. The lion’s share of the sleeping around is done with alphas. There is some benefit for betas, but the cutoff is quite high, as well. Under the old regime, these alphas and high betas were restricted to one woman (in theory, barring violating the rules), while the men beneath them had access to wives. Under the new regime, these higher guys have access to many more women without repurcussion, and the men below them go without. It’s easy to say this is “natural” or “Darwinian”, but in the natural state we are mostly a patrilocal species, meaning that women typically lived in communities where their male mates were together with their male kin. Most men who survived war and disease were pair bonded, and the pair bonds were enforced by male violence against interlopers who tried to “steal” sex from a female who was bonded to another male. Much tribal warfare stemmed from this kind of thing. When you remove the possibility of male violence to enforce pair bonding, you’re moving a step away from the “natural” state. When that was done, it was replaced with a series of laws and customs and mores that were supposed to play the same role of punishing this behavior. When you remove those, you move another step away from the natural state, which is basically where we are today — a situation where the policing mechanisms for paid bonds have been removed. Under these conditions, women tend to float up the mating chain, and quite a few men go without. Robert Wright wrote about this quite well in his book “The Moral Animal”, which is worth a read for anyone interested — he describes very well the difference between a system of enforced monogamy and a system of “de facto polygyny” (which is how he describes the contemporary West).

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    173. on March 27, 2010 at 3:28 pm Laura

      Chi-town,
      What I think would be hard for an older woman is competing in the sexual market place with younger woman. I’m actually 35 years old, but I’m married with children so I don’t really have to to that and that’s a relief. Sure I’d love to be young again, but wouldn’t everyone.

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    174. on March 27, 2010 at 3:28 pm Skadi

      Btw, older men compete with younger men too, sometimes vehemently. On this very blog, there was an older dude who consistently put down younger ones.

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    175. on March 27, 2010 at 3:31 pm xsplat

      Nova, you’ve got a great deal more patience than I. I’m starting to just snap and losing when I come across a women’s studies bot. Fucking lose it.

      I’m sick and tired of their shit. They want to be treated like men? Fine, no chivalry then. I’ll treat the idiots the same way I treat idiotic men. Harshly and with open ridicule.

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    176. on March 27, 2010 at 3:33 pm Matt

      To the most recent Anonymous: I have actually been trying to figure out how to relocate to Europe. Finding a job where I can make a reasonable living is a bit difficult. Not impossible, but I haven’t found effective job hunting techniques for that part of the world.

      For those who are constantly insisting out that American men are also fat, I would like to point out that I’m 6’2″ and weigh 185 pounds. This puts me on the skinny end of the spectrum for buying clothes off of the “normal” rack. I won’t claim to be in great shape, but I don’t have a beer belly or rolls of fat. I’m also starting a new job next week and I’m planning to find a good gym that is convenient to my commute.

      To add more fuel to the fire about larger women, more often than not when I am hanging out a a neighborhood bar I don’t see any women who I would be interested in having sex with. That’s right, none. On a busy night, I may see as many as two or three in the course of the evening and they are joined at the hip with their boyfriends/husbands.

      Yeah, I need to find better places to hang out, I’m just at a loss as to where they are.

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    177. on March 27, 2010 at 3:35 pm Skadi

      nova, interesting… true that many guys go without sex, but many still get casual sex.. not just alphas, but regular guys too.. without getting married or without any obligations whatsoever (not even wooing the girl). Isn’t this beneficial for modern males? In the 70s they would have had to get married and stayed with one woman just to get laid, now they can have it more easily.

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    178. on March 27, 2010 at 3:36 pm Skadi

      There is no more chivarly these days to begin with.. or it is extremely rare. So we, women, are already used to not having it.

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    179. on March 27, 2010 at 3:41 pm xsplat

      What I have for you, whose head would be empty were it not filled overfull with feminist shit, is worse than a lack of chivalry, Doughnut.

      It is contempt.

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    180. on March 27, 2010 at 3:43 pm Nicole

      Skadi says, “Nicole, patriarchy has been supported and embraced by both men and women, but the fact that some women support it does not make it fair.”

      Oh but it is fair. It’s natural selection. People who are dumb enough to allow their culture to be self destructive will become extinct. It’s happened before many times, and will happen again. Failure to adapt or to evolve leads to death of cultures all the time.

      As a Black and Native American woman, few people understand this better than me. It’s a hard truth to confront when whining about oppression is easier.

      Butching up is no guarantee of survival against people who really want you dead, but it sure does increase your chances.

      “Your point is clear, but you are going slightly overboard on blaming women specifically for the hatred of their own gender. Saying that “women try to drive each other into suicide” – these are just loud words without basis in reality. Please, do not demonize females.”

      So I’m just supposed to ignore it because it demonizes women?

      No, it just humanizes them.

      The reason women take the route of trying to drive other women to suicide and harmful behaviors, and con men into helping them, is because they don’t have the physical strength to do their own dirty work. I arrived at my high school a slim, muscular picture of human superiority who could kick the ass of every girl in my school.

      My story is not unique. I ended up viewing high school as a kind of crucible.

      “Yes, the women in those underdeveloped countries”

      Like Israel? Jordan? are you kidding me?

      Being rural lifestyle friendly and not wanting to fill every open space with a mini mart is not underdeveloped.

      “participate in sexist crimes against girls, but this is exactly because they are guided by patriarchial religions or social systems. It is neither right or fair. And eventually, this hurts both men and women. ”

      Honor killings and worse were going on here long before Muhammad was a glint in an elephant’s eye.

      Before Christianity or Islam or even Judaism, inconvenient babies, especially girls, were being thrown into fires by their mothers praising a female deity.

      Islam was one of the things that put a stop to those sorts of practices. If you study it, the religion itself was very progressive and egalitarian for its time. Old habits die hard though, so Islam is twisted to fit some very old matriarchal cultural practices such as FGM.

      Let me make it more clear for you: Men do not enforce FGM except with pressure from women. They’re against it if you get them to speak honestly about it. They may marry women who’ve been circumcised because of social expectations, but they would rather have sex with intact women.

      Women in this region from cultures that practice FGM want to make it impossible for men to easily find or bed intact women. Once they do, then as Chris Rock says, “Men can’t go backwards sexually.”

      I know an Ethiopian guy who actually has a kind of clitoris fetish. It should be normal, but the way he thinks and speaks about it, you’d think he was talking about red stilletto heels or sucking toes.

      “And why should a woman be “hunted” down for having sex with a teenage boy (unless he’s underage)? The boy wants it himself and is happy, many boys initiate these contacts. As long as he is not hurt or somehow abused, it is fine.”

      If the issue was partiarchy, then all women who had premarital sex would be outed and instead of taking the sex and keeping quiet, guys would call the cops on women who offer them sex. They don’t. Men are not trying to keep women from having sex. Women are.

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    181. on March 27, 2010 at 3:46 pm Skadi

      xsplat, calm down. It is not manly to get over emotional and hysterical. The number one classic Greek male virtue was self-containment. Truth hurts, but there is no need to get rude or childish. What’s feminist about stating that those society’s are screwed because of their prejudiced customs..

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    182. on March 27, 2010 at 3:48 pm xsplat

      The number one classic Greek male virtue was violence against enemies of their city states. Contained my ass. Those were some kick ass freaking scary dudes.

      What is feminist is saying that all ills are caused by men, dum dum.

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    183. on March 27, 2010 at 3:50 pm xsplat

      You’re kind is an enemy of the state.

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    184. on March 27, 2010 at 3:51 pm Laura

      In a culture where everything is all about who’s hot and who’s sexy, older women are definitely going to get left out. Luckily where I live the pressure is not that great and I like that.

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    185. on March 27, 2010 at 3:55 pm Skadi

      How about this one (this is Roman):

      Constantia — “Perseverance” — Military stamina, MENTAL and physical endurance.

      “Nova, you’ve got a great deal more patience than I.”

      I never said that ALL ills are caused by men. Stop picking on me, calm down and enjoy the Earth hour.

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    186. on March 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm Skadi

      It’s not just the older or uglier (or not glamorized) women who will get left out in a culture that is all about “hotness”. It’s also gonna be those thousands of betas who will never hook up with their fantasy FHM princess but will keep waiting until their 40 which will then be too late anyway.

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    187. on March 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm novaseeker

      nova, interesting… true that many guys go without sex, but many still get casual sex.. not just alphas, but regular guys too.. without getting married or without any obligations whatsoever (not even wooing the girl). Isn’t this beneficial for modern males? In the 70s they would have had to get married and stayed with one woman just to get laid, now they can have it more easily.

      Maybe Latvia has a different sex market than the US does — or you’re overstating the sexual access “regular guys” have there as well. But in the US, at least in the big blue cities, “regular guys” are not getting laid very much. There’s a rather tight concentration in the way sexual access is being distributed by young women in these cities. If you’re interested, there have been numerous books written about this, and about how many of the “regular guys” have basically opted out of the system more or less completely in favor of hanging out with other guys.

      This is why Game has arisen. And it’s also why “Guyland” has arisen as well. Both phenomena stem from the reality that sexual access in the current market is rather tightly concentrated.

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    188. on March 27, 2010 at 4:01 pm xsplat

      Skadi – you said this bit of idiocy that pisses me off, for one. “patriarchy has been supported and embraced by both men and women, but the fact that some women support it does not make it fair. ”

      Bitch.

      Men are pissed nowadays, in case you didn’t notice, at this bullshit notion of “patriarchy”. Pissed.

      Get used to it.

      We aren’t taking that shit any more.

      Get used to hearing more and more anger about that word.

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    189. on March 27, 2010 at 4:08 pm Kevin Robinson

      For sure. Being a regular guy is not enough anymore. It isn’t even close to enough, not even to get a regular girl. To get even a regular girl, you have to be an awesome guy. Sometimes even being that will not be enough.

      This country disgusts me. Thoroughly and completely. I don’t give two squirts of piss what happens to it.

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    190. on March 27, 2010 at 4:09 pm Skadi

      x, I understand why you hate that word (it is apparently too provocative to use), because males suffer from it too.

      nova, yea, maybe the sex market is a bit different, but not that much. Assuming the blue cities are in the Midwest? Since women flock to the big coastal cities.. they are more available there. It’s like in the North, there are less women too and more guys because women moved to the cities.

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    191. on March 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm Laura

      I think the United States used to be very patriarchal and still is to some extent. Although, I’m sure there were some frustrations it really wasn’t a bad place to be a woman at all and still isn’t. I guess it just depends on the society. It seems like men in some patriarchal societies tend to work harder than men in some matriarchal societies and that does benefit women. I don’t think it would be good to live in a society where men don’t take any responsibility. I generally consider inner city ghettos to be more matriarchal than patriarchal and look how good the women get treated there.

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    192. on March 27, 2010 at 4:15 pm xsplat

      God, Doughnut, you are so dumb! Thankfully it’s starting to turn into comic relief.

      If only you could hear how you sound to an intelligent person.

      You actually said this “x, I understand why you hate that word (it is apparently too provocative to use), because males suffer from it too. ”

      Clueless! You clueless retard. No, it’s not because men suffer from it, dullard dougnut, it’s because women use that notion as nothing but a power grab for their sex. An ideological bludgeon against men to shame them into handing over power. And because for the longest time that feminist idiocy worked, such that laws are now misandrist.

      It’s done, sister. Your sisterhood is done.

      Men are taking over.

      Fuck you and your sisterhood too.

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    193. on March 27, 2010 at 4:16 pm Skadi

      Kevin, that bad? Not even a regular girl? Well, maybe.. that’s why so many Western men are so unspoiled.
      But then again so many just dream about hot princesses even that are way out of their reach.

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    194. on March 27, 2010 at 4:20 pm Kevin Robinson

      Blue cities are the large cities in the blue states. In my view large cities in red states (like Dallas, Austin, Miami, Phoenix) have much more in common with CA and NY cities than they do with the red states in which they are located.

      May heaven hasten the arrival of the day when men wake up and realize they ought not take responsibility for anything beyond themselves.

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    195. on March 27, 2010 at 4:22 pm novaseeker

      nova, yea, maybe the sex market is a bit different, but not that much. Assuming the blue cities are in the Midwest? Since women flock to the big coastal cities.. they are more available there. It’s like in the North, there are less women too and more guys because women moved to the cities.

      No the blue cities are the ones that are large and liberal — NY, DC, Chicago, Boston, LA, SF, Seattle. Exactly the coastal cities you’re referring too. Very constricted sexual access in these places.

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    196. on March 27, 2010 at 4:23 pm Laura

      Nicole,
      You are right. My mom cares significantly more about who my brother marries than my father does. In fact, she told me she cares more about who he marries then who I married. I guess because a bad daughter in law can really tear a family apart.

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    197. on March 27, 2010 at 4:29 pm Mike

      Women say they don’t like muscle s. Unfortunately I am not big enough to personally test that hypothesis, as I’m not big enough to get the, “That’s gross” comment.

      However, my best friend is. When we go out, it’s like being with a rock star.

      Women all say that muscles are “gross.” Yet they all start coming up to my friend, feeling his muscles. Since I have a nice build, I get secondary play. “Are you guys in the fitness field?”

      It truly is like nothing I’ve experienced. It works even better with strippers – who are most physical beings. Go to a strip club with a bodybuilder-looking type. The way you’ll be treated will make you feel like you’re in an alternate universe.

      You also never see a muscular (ripped, not fat like a powerlifter) guy with an ugly girlfriend, do you?

      Muscles matter. Muscles + game is hard to beat. Add in some cash, and you can get a 9 or 10.

      A 9 or 10 is usually available only to really rich or really famous guys. If you have a not-fucked-up face, muscles, and a $150,000-or-so job, you can regularly get 9s and 10s.

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    198. on March 27, 2010 at 4:30 pm Skadi

      Laura, yes, the US is very patriarchial. But you raise a very legitimate point. Patriarchy not only grants privileges to males, but also obligations. The obligation to protect and to provide, to do military service/be physically fit, to work hard for the sake of others, to bring enough money to feed both the wife and kids. A lot of that is gone (maybe in some parts of the States it is still there). And since the men do not fulfill their manly duties anymore, they no longer deserve the status and privileges that the patriarchy entitles them to.

      What you are defining as “matriarchy” is in fact an awkward and unfair circumstance, when the woman fills both roles – the male and the female (brings home the bacon and raises the kids without sufficient male help), while the male acts as a child (without real responsibilities). And children should not have political rights. Real gender equality should be established instead.

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    199. on March 27, 2010 at 4:40 pm xsplat

      Real gender equality should be established.

      God, what toxic drivel.

      Thanks be to the glorious lingam that P.C. is dead, and your kind is on the way out.

      Equality. Why did we ever believe that drivel?

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    200. on March 27, 2010 at 4:46 pm Matt

      Skadi, I call bullshit. It was a lot easier to get laid in the 1970’s than it is today. I was there. I also watched how much easier it was for my divorced father to get women than it is for me today.

      There was the whole “Free Love” movement going on and a tiny fraction of the power games that are so common today.

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    201. on March 27, 2010 at 4:54 pm Skadi

      nova, hmmmm… I thought those cities were full of gorgeous women.. there are tales that NYC is full of model type girls who hunt the rich, handsome guys. It is believed that women flock to the cities more to go to school and to get jobs in the service sector, while some males stay in the places with rougher climates (e.g., the North Sea and oil drilling jobs) or to where the masculine jobs tend to be. Btw, Rosy just recently blogged about Washington, DC, being filled with available women.

      Women do like muscles and athletic bodies! Muscles are of course very masculine. Broad shoulders, strong arms.. they probably don’t like those overworked types that they have on body builder competitions. But when they don’t compete and are relaxed, they look very good.

      Medium built is the best:

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    202. on March 27, 2010 at 5:02 pm Rum

      Skadi
      Try to think of any firm obligations that women might have towards men – the kind that must be carried out despite how the woman “feels” about the matter.
      I doubt you could come up with any no matter how hard you tried. Whether that is purely genetic or simply acquired via cultural poisoning deserves further research.

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    203. on March 27, 2010 at 5:05 pm Skadi

      Wasn’t “Free love” akin to feminism? There you go, the benefit for the males.

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    204. on March 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm novaseeker

      Wasn’t “Free love” akin to feminism? There you go, the benefit for the males.

      It was a temporary thing during the height of the sexual revolution. What happened next, in the 80s and 90s, was that order restored itself to the sex market, but a new order — one that excludes most of the men from most of the sex and concentrates most of the sex in the hands of relatively few of the men. That’s been the “end result” of feminism, from the sexual perspective, when it comes to men in the US.

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    205. on March 27, 2010 at 5:10 pm Skadi

      Rum, raise the men’s kids.

      There use to be those other obligations / expectations such as cooking and cleaning and staying slim for your hubby. But since the men don’t fill their obligations, such as supporting the wife and the kid entirely, paying for the dates, being chivalrous, why should the woman fulfill hers? Can’t delve into it more, as I’m in moderation.

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    206. on March 27, 2010 at 5:14 pm Nicole

      Matt, “free love” requires love.

      Back when the free love movement was in full swing, many of those people coupled up. Now, they just hook up and that’s it.

      So what was once a fun way to look at life that might land you a husband, turned into an endless ride going nowhere.

      Both men and women are responsible for how that turned out, but to some degree, feminism is most to blame for convincing men that you’re all potential exploiters, rapists, and dead beats.

      Things might be different now if fewer of you hated yourselves.

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    207. on March 27, 2010 at 5:20 pm Skadi

      nova, you say: “that order excludes most of the men from most of the sex and concentrates most of the sex in the hands of relatively few of the men. That’s been the “end result” of feminism, from the sexual perspective, when it comes to men in the US.”

      What does this have to do with feminism? It sounds more like a sort of a natural, biological order where a few alphas monopolize most females and the big bulk of males go without sex. Nothing has been done artificially by the feminists to “concentrate most sex in the hands of a few men”. The society is free. Women pick who they pick, same as men pick who they pick. Many regular guys still get partnered up and have plenty of sex, many guys have casual sex, many guys get paid sex. Women in the West are quite easy. This is just pure biology, because there is an asymmetry when it comes to sex, men tend to want it more and women tend to be more picky. This is pure Mother Nature and has nothing to do with feminism. You should be grateful to the liberal ideology that women can have sex out of marriage. There used to be a time when a guy had to marry a woman just to get laid.

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    208. on March 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm Skadi

      nova, about the women in the big cities… aren’t there more women in the NYC than men, where all the gorgeous ladies go to get the rich guys? There should be an excess of women in the big cities due to them going to school there and getting jobs in the service sector. This blog just featured an article about how there are so many women in Washington, DC, due to government and ngo jobs.

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    209. on March 27, 2010 at 6:20 pm novaseeker

      What does this have to do with feminism? It sounds more like a sort of a natural, biological order where a few alphas monopolize most females and the big bulk of males go without sex. Nothing has been done artificially by the feminists to “concentrate most sex in the hands of a few men”. The society is free. Women pick who they pick, same as men pick who they pick. Many regular guys still get partnered up and have plenty of sex, many guys have casual sex, many guys get paid sex. Women in the West are quite easy. This is just pure biology, because there is an asymmetry when it comes to sex, men tend to want it more and women tend to be more picky. This is pure Mother Nature and has nothing to do with feminism. You should be grateful to the liberal ideology that women can have sex out of marriage. There used to be a time when a guy had to marry a woman just to get laid.

      What does it have to do with feminism?

      Prior to feminism, the rule was enforced monogamy. Yes, marriage was expected for sexual access, but most men married and got that. That’s now gone. As a result, the regular guys are just getting much *less* access sexually than they did under the monogamy system. That’s a direct result of feminism. It isn’t biology or the natural order. Naturally, humans are a pair bonding species, and these pair bonds were enforced by collective male violence against the males who violated them (something which was later replaced by laws enforcing the same thing), facilitated by the fact that humans are generally patrilocal, meaning men live among their male kindred, and women move to the male kin group. Gorillas, who have your alpha monopoly, are matrilocal with itinerant males — meaning very little male cooperation, meaning the thugs at the top of the hierarchy monopolize the females until someone deposes them. But that’s not the human “natural order”. The order we have today exists for the reasons Roissy pointed out in his four sirens post, which is linked in the original post to this thread. It’s not at all the “natural order” for humans, but is instead an artificial system propped up by a series of laws and technological changes.

      nova, about the women in the big cities… aren’t there more women in the NYC than men, where all the gorgeous ladies go to get the rich guys? There should be an excess of women in the big cities due to them going to school there and getting jobs in the service sector. This blog just featured an article about how there are so many women in Washington, DC, due to government and ngo jobs.

      It’s not that there is a lack of women, Skadi, it’s how women are distributing sexual access. Average guys in Manhattan don’t get laid. Nor do they get laid in DC. Instead the women there shoot high and they can do so because the guys at the top of the pile will gladly “do” a cute 6 or even a 5 in a pinch. Every time that happens the male equivalent of a 6 goes wanting for a peer value woman. And this is generally what happens. Sure the male 6 equivalent could “do” 3s, 4s and 5s, but there is a “floor of attraction” as well, which is more or less objective. Most men are not attracted to 3s-5s. So a good number of the male 6 and 7 equivalents simply go without peer value women, because those women are banging the male alphas — because they *can*, and because it’s worth a *shot* at snagging one into commitment (rarely happens, but worth a shot to many women), and because it validates their self-esteem, and so on.

      Before feminism, this didn’t happen to anything like this degree, because monogamy was more or less enforced. After feminism, there are simply lots of guys for whom their peer value women are too busy shagging men up the totem pole, and they are left empty-handed. Just how it works today.

      And that, Skadi, is why Game exists. It’s not a mistake that the writer of this blog is based in DC. The sex market he describes is the woman-rich one here in DC, where I live as well. Again, it isn’t about the number of women, it’s about who they are rewarding with sexual access. It’s guys like the writer of this blog.

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    210. on March 27, 2010 at 7:04 pm Doug1

      Skadi–

      What does this have to do with feminism? It sounds more like a sort of a natural, biological order where a few alphas monopolize most females and the big bulk of males go without sex. Nothing has been done artificially by the feminists to “concentrate most sex in the hands of a few men”.

      yes but it’s actually a pre-human atavistic natural order that virtually all human cultures save our uber feminist ones in the US and Britain have contrained for the good of the polity. This is true of most polygamous societies as well, where 1) most marriages are monogous even thought he society allows polygamy for a small number of the elites and 2) polygamy is arranged by official social status and wealth, not by bad boy pull or small group status among girls attraction.

      The principal way in which virtually all human societies have culturally and legally constained the atavistic primate desire of girls to get seeded by only or very predominantly alphas has been to constrain pre and extramarital sluttery. In some societies a certain brief window of it is allowed (some polynesian societies thought that was greatly exaggerated by e.g. Margrette Mead years ago for her own sexual revolution wanting reasons, quite deliberately) but in most it isn’t. This is usually achieved in part by early female marriage often to considerably older and relatively economically established males (and i’m talking hunter gather bands her too), and in part by lots of social shaming and devaluing of slut girls. That’s particularly true in most state level agricultural societies, esp. for families above the poorest levels, but sometimes down to very poor levels, for far families. Itinerants and entertainer types have always been loser.

      In the hyper feminist Anglosphere west, particularly Britain and and US, college graduate girls are often real slutty and rack up big numbers until they hit 30, then they start searching madly for a husband. The patterns is that about 50-60% of the girls in female hotness can usually pull the top 15-20% of males in male hotness — for casual sex. meaning sex that’s clearly that from the get go, and sex the girl sorta or completely deludes herself into thinking/hoping/pretending is relationship exporatory and she’s really got a shot. Usually she doesn’t or not for long with alphas, the top 15% of male hotness not but static picture handsomeness (unlike w/girls) but by playful male dominance and confidence. And well by the vote w/their pussies of other girls which has it’s own pull and momentum, oh yeah, big time. (Called preselection by evo psych and gamesters both.)

      Well you might think, sad for the top 60% but below top 15-20% guys who are getting very little casual and semi casual sex action but rather only sometimes committed girlfriend action that they really have to work for and remain true to keep which she might be cheating, he isn’t supposed to mind girls nights out etc. Not if he doesn’t have top dog pull. Oh, the top 5% of guys, the full fledged alphas not lesser alphas, are the one’s really getting oodles of causal sex with the really hot girls. The lessers are mostly getting the 6s to 7s with some 8’s, and less oodles of anything unless he plumbs below 6, which in America is now usually also a fatty.

      But you might think this really isn’t all that disasterous for most men compared to previously. Ok he’s not getting all that much if any of the casual sex with good liking to really hot girls that the alphas of various sorts are, but at least he does have some girlfriends with his dry spells if he’s a higher beta or some betas, and at least he will get married eventually if he’s any kind of beta. And get sex then.

      Well the trouble is she won’t want to marry him until she’s over thirty and maybe if he’s a mid beta and she’s not real fat, 35 and more. Then she’s barely able to have kids, one at best often, and she’s sexually jaded as hell. And not really very sexually interested in him. She only fakes it during courtship to land him and convice herself she can live with her choice.

      Only when the last kid she’s gonna have, one or two, is about 4, she doesn’t want to live with it anymore, especially if she’s a rather more attractive woman who couldn’t land an alpha for marriage, say she’s a 7, but has landed a higher beta, who’s that principally because of social status and he makes a good lot of money. The kind of guy our and every other advanced civilization is mostly based upon.

      Then she divorces him because he “doesn’t make her feel loved and in love anymore” and “isn’t communicating real feelings enough”. I.e. because she’s sexually bored and misses the alpha male hunt and cock carousel she was on. (Yeah right being a slut before marriage doesn’t matter. The hell it doesn’t. It matters huge and men are nuts not to sick private eyes on prospective fiances to find out the truth behind their lying lies about their numbers and sluttery, if they’re stupid enough to go into entirely one way, feminist female way American or British marriage 2.0 in the first place.) And she then gets to live off her ex husband often for life, because she either has cheated and found other lovers hotter, or she’s itching to do so. Often she has but lies and says she just wants to explore herself and move forward.

      She thinks she’ll find an alpha mate often, but that’s rare. She usually lives off her husband if she can, or after a period of trying to play with alphas, or cougar with younger betas who because of youthful vigor seem kinda sex alpha at least to semi desperate her, and then if her divorced and extracted from ex husband isn’t rich enough to afford her faultfully divorcing and doing zero for him self enough income for her satisfaction, she’ll marry another higher beta if she can swing it. Pattern repeats unless/until she’s too old to have a prayer. Even so she still isn’t sexing him much once again after she’s tricked him into marriage.

      No she usually doesn’t think she’s tricking anyone but being sincere. However the system is tilted so heavily towards women these hyper feminist days that that’s the effect.

      myself? I’m a long ago divorced with no kids man who has two much, much younger women currently deeply in love with him, one of whom is living with me. I’m not remotely personally bitter. Like Roissy though I’m civilizationally disgusted with what feminism has wrought.

      Damn right I’d like to get rid of virtually all feminism and virtually all feminist laws, and will work towards those ends.

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    211. on March 27, 2010 at 7:24 pm HR Lincoln

      Skadi –
      “nova, yea, maybe the sex market is a bit different, but not that much. Assuming the blue cities are in the Midwest? Since women flock to the big coastal cities.. they are more available there.”

      For the umpteenth time on this thread, you have revealed profound ignorance. Fact is, the midwest is the obesity epidemic’s ground zero, and that fact, as has been so lucidly explained by Roiss, has the effect of powerfully skewing existing sex ratios in women’s favor and against men.

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    212. on March 27, 2010 at 7:33 pm Rum

      Skadi

      You said it right there. Other than raise children, which you want/deeply desire to do anyway – no sane guy should expect anything like a committment from a woman today.
      Thanks for painting a “for pump and dump only” label on the foreheads of the entire sisterhood.

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    213. on March 27, 2010 at 7:46 pm The realist

      @Rum(and Skadi)

      Good point, i really couldn’t quite understand what point Skadi was trying to make other than that western women really are that bad, should be that bad and that men should just deal with it.

      Well fine then, they’ll deal with it by not marrying, not investing and not having kids. Only problem now is changing laws and government structure to prevent singlemotherhood and uphold father custody for the sake of society and progress. It appears she is more than happy for women to serve no other purpose than as surrogates and incubators for male genes.

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    214. on March 27, 2010 at 7:59 pm old guy

      @Nicole

      I mean…have you ever met a Chinese or hey, Israeli Jewish guy highly invested in their culture? Their dad doesn’t care if they marry a jungle girl from the deepest, darkest corner of the Congo with a bone in her nose so long as she understands the use of laundry detergent. It’s the mom whose heart will be broken if he marries out.

      You get it.

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    215. on March 27, 2010 at 8:02 pm finsalscollons

      Some months ago, I post this post on novaseeker’s blog

      Having lived in several societies, I think that there are two factors to be taken into account.

      1. Percentage of desirable men
      2. Women’s cultural attitude.

      As for the first one, it has to be said that the percentage of desirable men is product of two factors: number of men and average expectations by women.

      As for the second one, there is two women’s cultural attitudes. In traditional attitude, women are trained to be good wives and mothers, their sexuality is tamed and are taught to be “good girls” and follow ethical considerations. In modern attitudes, women are taught to follow their hearts and have fun.

      So there are four possible combinations.

      1. High percentage of desirable males with a traditional attitude by women. This leads to traditional monogamy. Most women get married and stay married. The 50’s, if you will. It was the model in my native Spain where I was born.

      2. Low percentage of desirable males with a traditional attitude by women. This lead to traditional adultery. Most men are married and have mistresses to absorb the excess of females. Mistresses would like to be married but they get what they can. This is the model in Central America now, where I live.

      3. High percentage of desirable males with a modern attitude by women. This leads to serial monogamy. Women have relationships that leave where the novelty wears off (about 4-7 years, according to the traditional female cycle). This could be the model prevalent in older American women. Older American women have lower expectations about men than younger ones (in part, because of maturity, in part, because they receive alimony and child support so poor males are not undesirable anymore). This way the percentage of desirable males increases.

      4. Low percentage of desirable males with a modern attitude by women. This leads to poliginy. Some alphas have harems, some betas are celibates. The 20% of men mate with the 80% of women. This is the model in younger American women, with their unrealistic expectations from men.

      So, as you see, the important thing is not the number of men but the number of desirable men. The American culture has changed from a traditional attitude for women and realistic expectations of men to a modern attitude for women and unrealistic expectations for men.

      That is, it has changed from the combination 1 to the combination 4, from monogamy to poliginy.

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    216. on March 27, 2010 at 8:14 pm Laura

      Realist,
      It does seem as if some of the men on this blog are benefitting from women’s sexual liberation. Personally, I can’t say my own life has been improved by it all that much.

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    217. on March 27, 2010 at 9:01 pm Link Round-Up « Butterfly Squash

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    218. on March 27, 2010 at 9:02 pm Cat Patrol

      Hell, we knew back in high school that the biggest sluts were the formerly fat chicks who had lost weight over summer vacation. They would slut around with a vengence, making up for lost time.

      When both men and women have options, their true nature always comes out.

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    219. on March 27, 2010 at 10:34 pm Skadi

      You should not prevent single women from getting benefits, because they’re sacrificing a lot to raise the next generation. It’s not just a woman’s wish to have kids and sometimes women are unsure if they want to have kids. But there is a social duty to have them (because of the huge stigma against childless women). Society benefits from having children. So the public must pay for the sacrifice that the woman is making for bearing and raising kids. Fathers should have custody and should have more rights than they do in the States (as it appears from these conversations there is some sort of a legal problem there). In the most progressive societies fathers have equal rights (but also are expected to pursue equal obligations).

      Rum, about fidelity – can you really expect that from most men these days? Come on. It’s a game of luck if you get a faithful man or no. The common presumption is that most aren’t faithful. So today there is very little incentive to invest in a man. What a modern, self sufficient woman can opt for is friendship, romance, some good coupling and hopefully good offspring that are taken care of. But there is absolutely no guarantee that the man will stay or that he will treat you well for decades. Coming from a great family, with a great father, it was an incredible shock to realize this. Very painful to come to terms with it at first, but you get used to it and think of men differently. As they say, the men are like buses, one leaves, another comes or men come and go, but a child remains. So it’s important to have one baby at least, even as a single mother, that way you have fulfilled the duty towards your family and race.

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    220. on March 27, 2010 at 10:49 pm The realist

      @Skadi

      No

      Theres so much wrong with what you post i really don’t need to elaborate. But i will, at least slightly.

      Social stigma against childless women? what are you on about? So it’s all these childless women who are producing individuals that commit 10x the amount of violent crime, suicide and are more likely to drop out of school and be chronically unemployed? I don’t think so, and they also are not the ones eating tax money. By duty to your family and race, do you mean the duty of making it more dysfunctional and less productive?

      It seems you are perhaps the perfect example of “female entitlement” in existance. Children are not your right. A mans DNA is not your right. My tax money is not your right.

      I think Rum was spot on, we have a pump and dump right here lads, just remember to keep it strapped so your splurge can’t be thiefed to uphold this bitches “rights”.

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    221. on March 27, 2010 at 10:58 pm The realist

      “little incentive to invest in a man”- No woman ever does this anyway so what are you on about? are you living in the real world?

      All women do is take mens sperm and his money(one way or another, Tax/CS/divorce) and invest it in themselves.

      If you work hard, earn money and raise a productive family on your own, i salute you. But please fund it ALL YOURSELF.

      And be under no illusions, what you have will never be seen as a “family” by men(or decent women), with no husband or father living in the home and raising your children, you will be subject to and deserve infinitely more stigma than a childless woman.

      lucky you you’ll have some bastard kids to hate you along with the rest of us.

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    222. on March 27, 2010 at 11:07 pm Skadi

      It really strikes me how incredibly rude and angry the men on this site are. I could say a lot of things but I will keep them to myself.

      When it comes to your ridiculous “pump and dump” insinuation which is thrown around this blog so liberally, then no – guys like you and the author of this blog, machistas and misogynists, are not getting anywhere near me therefore no chance to “pump and dump”.

      By duty I mean creating human beings for the dwindling European race. But, of course, the ‘game’, free loading and screwing around with no strings attached or living a luxurious bachelor’s life is more important to you so why would you understand that necessity.

      Children are half my right, but if I raise them by myself, then they are completely my right. If you want the rights to the child, you must fulfill the duties towards the child and that duty is being a REAL father, not just a sperm donor.

      Are you the only one who pays taxes? Women pay taxes too and they deserve to get those taxes back. I have paid loads in taxes and have not received a single penny back – my kid, if I have one, better receive that tax money which I have paid in big amounts.

      Realist, if you wanna go back to traditional values, focus on men and their obligations. Too many men today are not LTR or husband material.

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    223. on March 27, 2010 at 11:10 pm Skadi

      You idiot. There are female friendly societies where you can easily be a single mother (if you wish to become one), without any stigma and with help from the society (to which you have contributed via paying taxes). It will not be America, of course.

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    224. on March 27, 2010 at 11:22 pm The realist

      Again, A simple NO will suffice. But i shall entertain you further.

      Through the marriage contract you have access to a mans money, you have access and control over his children. YOU HAVE IT ALL. If you are too much of a slutty dumb bitch to get married that really is your own problem. How about you don’t have kids until you marry and then even if this man turns out to be as bad as you claim you are entitled to his money and the kids?

      Check it out guys we have woman who is SO unnatractive, such an ugly used up whore she can’t find any stupid dumbfuck to enter into marriage with her. As much as i disdain family ruining divorce thieves at least they have enough braincells to conn the alarmingly stupid Beta system. This bitch is so stupid she wishes to bypass all of that and get her lifetime retirement cheque upon the immaculate conception she is clearly hoping for.

      I pay taxes too skadi but guess what? even if i have children i will not be entitled to a penny or housing or any of that malarky. As long as the mother remains alive and well i will not have custody of my children. ME? I will be expected only to pay for my children through CS and everyone elses through taxes. So what if you pay taxes? my point is that no taxes should be used to fund singlemotherhood.

      Healthcare? Police? Emergency services? Transport?

      I can make cases for all those positive uses of tax money that i myself can recieve a benefit from. Just because you pay taxes does not entitle you to things that men and responsible women are not.

      Also population replacement is clearly not the aim of the government so get off your high horse if you think you are doing a duty for your race or nation. This is clearly on no ones agenda least of all the governments otherwise they wouldn’t have destroyed the nuclear family in the first place.

      I am dearly sorry, but i have no problem whatsoever with you becoming a genetic deadend. We will survive without you.

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    225. on March 27, 2010 at 11:35 pm The realist

      @Skadi

      You mean socialist hell holes like my nation great britain? I am not american skadi you tart. And please do not mention shitholes like scandanavia, they have achieved nothing for donkeys years. If they ever start becoming relevant for anything then they can become role models for the rest of us.

      If you actually know anything about the educated and brilliant men of old you will see a reccuring theme.

      Patriarchal societies of Europe/Europeans. But more specifically:

      Brits, Germans, Americans.

      When your “female friendly” societies start producing something of value their policies may start being taken seriously.

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    226. on March 27, 2010 at 11:39 pm The realist

      For every empowered Feminist Cunt in whatever irrelevant shitty nation you come from, i hope their is a male counterpart ready to play his part in the Zeugungsstreik.

      Just to deprive your rancid, rapidly aging womb and cunt of what it desires most. A poor child to torture.

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    227. on March 27, 2010 at 11:45 pm Skadi

      Wow, what an incredibly rude man you are, no self composure means no respect.

      Why do you assume that all women want to/have to get married? In this day and age.

      I don’t know much about the American legal system. Yes, it does seem disproportionate but if you are such a progressive, first world society then you should have figured out long ago how to fix it. Apparently there is something that won’t let you do that. But do you not understand that you, as a father, have to provide for your kids, no matter if you stay with the wife or not. You should of course have access to kids, but realize that when you leave the family, you are leaving the children too – the woman ends up with all the work and chores of raising the kids (it’s like a full time job without saving for pension). If you do not raise the kids, feed them, take them to school, to the sports club, etc., do you really deserve to have them around at the old age? Unless you pay them the child support until they’re 16. Your system is screwed. A male inclusive system is much better, but you yourself do not accept it because you want your cake and eat it too. The nuclear family unfortunately is not the norm anymore. Because men like to sleep around and women have to work and with their own income, they have choices.

      You can spare the rude remarks as they really make no difference to me or the substance of this problem.

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    228. on March 27, 2010 at 11:48 pm Martian Bachelor

      One of my favorite Dave Chappelle jokes is about how men buy nice cars not because THEY like nice cars, but because hot girls do.

      Chappelle doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. Girls, hot or otherwise, don’t tend to know shit about cars, and don’t care. It’s like any other sort of technology. Go to whatever type of car show strikes your fancy and it’s a total sausage fest because only guys are into “nice” cars. At the bigger shows they actually have to pay the models to do the Vanna White thing. You’ll rarely if ever see a girl herself driving anything other than generic wheels at best.

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    229. on March 27, 2010 at 11:52 pm The realist

      I already told you i am not american so keep balabbering, i already live in one of your shitty female friendly societies and i have already decided it is bullshit so you are preaching to the chior.

      You are a cheap whore prostitute preaching to the chior. What does clergy have to learn from a prostitute?

      Im not sure what a “male inclusive” society looks like to you, but my idea of that society is where silly bitches like you are told firmly go fuck themselves and given absolutely squat diddly. Or does “male inclusive” stretch only to cover male taxes, labour and assetts and not their opinions and rights?

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    230. on March 27, 2010 at 11:55 pm Skadi

      realist, you are wrong, a child is not what I desire most. It is a child’s happiness. I fear bringing a child into this world, especially given such aggressive, selfish men who frequent this blog and who rejoice in a pornographic culture.

      Yes, I enjoy the Western culture, to say the least, but you personally are a chauvinist.

      It’s nice that the Anglo societies produce some great stuff, but Scandinavia is a much better place to live. I’m their neighbor so it will be no problem moving there if I decide to have a child.

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    231. on March 27, 2010 at 11:57 pm Skadi

      realist, you mentioned something about me being ugly? This is certainly not what I hear from the men I date. Of all ages.

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    232. on March 28, 2010 at 12:02 am Weekend Link Fest – Far East edition « Seasons of Tumult and Discord

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    233. on March 28, 2010 at 12:03 am Skadi

      In Scandinavia kids can stay with the father after divorce and the woman is not necessarily given preference. Remember that women pay taxes too. Besides much of women’s labor is underpaid.

      Where is your opinion as a male not respected? You live in a free society and can say what you want. Nobody is forbidding you from expressing your opinion, you can even do an op-ed in a newspaper, just tone down your aggression and don’t cuss.

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    234. on March 28, 2010 at 12:04 am Kevin Robinson

      You are fucking right we’re rude and angry. The days of nice guys and chivalry are over dear, and if you and all the other bitches like you seek the reason, you need only look into a mirror. Seriously and literally, in your case.

      It amazes me that someone would say that MEN and THEIR obligations should be the focus in discussions of traditional roles when it was and is WOMEN who have thrown our whole system into chaos. It was WOMEN who radically changed the social system in the United States. There were a few vaginized men who went along but it was WOMEN who pushed this horseshit through. Yes, yes, dear, you’re a poor victim of all the bad bad men in the world. Get fucked, bitch.

      Ultimately any discussion like this with a woman is beyond pointless because women live in the emotion of the moment and backwards rationalize their every ridiculous and irresponsible action. Their emotionality precludes them from virtually anything substantial.

      It’s also entirely typical for a douchenozzle like Skadi to lament the dwindling European race while being childless herself…what a JOKE.

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    235. on March 28, 2010 at 12:05 am The realist

      pornographic culture? i don’t really understand what you are on about. On the one hand you vehemently defend your right to be a whoring drain to society and then at the same time you have a problem with pornography? I think that is the least of your worries

      Why so keen to move to scandanavia? You do know the rape rate in sweden is twice as high as here in britain? with a quarter of the convictions? That finland has the highest murder rate in europe? Yes the men there are clearly so much better……. are you sure you want to have a child there?

      how about moving to India? A strong islamic society perhaps? You know for the sake of yourself and the kids….getting away from all those bad men like me who hate women….. Or

      Unlikely, maybe the men there don’t do it for you? No gina tingle? They are more responsible and better for raising families i promise…..

      stop blaming your own whorish irresponsibility on men,

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    236. on March 28, 2010 at 12:19 am Matt

      Hmmm, it has gotten a bit nasty here. This sort of behavior tends to reinforce the notion that men are nothing but brutes. Lighten up some and at least attempt to take the moral high ground in discussions.

      As far as the idea of moving to Scandinavia goes, yeah, I would love to. A Texan is far more desirable there than here in Texas. Plus, the cultural differences can work in my favor for having a long term relationship.

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    237. on March 28, 2010 at 12:26 am Skadi

      Don’t worry, Kevin, there are still some nice guys left. And they will receive the treatment that they deserve, unlike you.

      No need to blame women. It is the men who still have the biggest incomes. Those incomes are only possible with having a huge mass of women in the labor market. Do an experiment – let all the working women stay at home for one day and cook and clean and be nice passive housewives. You will see how much money the big companies run by males and from which men benefit immensely will lose in just one day.

      It is very simple – the husband does not provide, the state will provide. Or there will be no kids.

      realist, you are fantasizing. You are not arguing about the substance, your only argument is using the word “whore” as if it means anything anymore, especially coming from a misogynist. Men create and consume pornography en masse, which is degrading to women. I don’t want to bring a child (who can happen to be a girl) into a world that is filled with the type of pornographic stuff that can be found online.

      Check your stats. The rape rate is high because of the Arabs. Who are the only con in that society. They should not be let in. Still, there is less of them than in the UK – the UK does not look like a white country at all anymore and the crime rate is certainly much higher there. The rapes in Scandinavia are only rising because of the immigrants, not because of their indigenous males and their culture.

      Not interested in Indian or Muslim men. And they kill their wives and daughters by the way. Only interested in polite, well kempt, Scandinavian (or Baltic) men who are husband/boyfriend/father material.

      I thought guys like you were interested in moving to Asia to hook up with the passive young hotties. Have a nice trip!

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    238. on March 28, 2010 at 12:27 am The realist

      @Matt

      Wait a second on top of what i just mentioned. Denmark and Norway both have higher crime rates than here in the UK.

      Who actually wants to move to scandanavia apart from irresponsible whores who want to pop out bastard children with zero social stigma and financial repercussion?

      Skadi is looking for responaible men my arse. The foundation of her argument seems to be that it’s men who are irresponsible and yet she loves the idea of going to scandanavia? when crime statistics and the state relationships and child rearing in those nations clearly shows otherwise.

      I’m waiting for her to explain why she wouldn’t rather live in Asia or the middle east if correct child rearing really is her primary concern.

      Scandanavia ain’t shit bro.

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    239. on March 28, 2010 at 12:30 am Skadi

      Matt, thank you for being civilized.

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    240. on March 28, 2010 at 12:31 am The realist

      Skadi you said it yourself, we have more muslims here in britain so why so many rapes in sweden if its all their fault?

      Seems more likely you have nations of woman haters and delinquents in scandanavia as i have already mentioned. So whats the deal whats the so good about scandanavia.

      Is it because you can popp out bastard children without stigma and financial repurcussion?

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    241. on March 28, 2010 at 12:32 am The realist

      and more muslims in france also. Please explain.

      So do the Arabs dominate scandanavian societies so easily that they cause many more problems than in france and britain where their presence is greater?

      Doesn’t say much about scandanavian men if they can’t protect their women.

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    242. on March 28, 2010 at 12:38 am Skadi

      Scandinavians are some of the most peaceful societies in the world. No idea where you get the crime statistics. The crime rate has grown lately due to the immigrants from Arab and African countries. That immigration needs to be stopped asap. And, yes, men are much better there – handsome, polite, respectful towards females, well kempt, exercise a lot, help around the house, are good fathers, no macho bs yet still masculine (tall and good athletes). Don’t pay for the dates, but that’s no problem since women make their own money. I feel almost like in paradise when I’m there. Of course, being male you might not empathize with this. But since you are so angry, I really wish that you find a place where you are at peace and content. It is wrong that the Western men are so frustrated. Western men are generally very good and deserve to be satisfied with their lives.

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    243. on March 28, 2010 at 12:44 am Skadi

      The Muslims cause problems in France too. I know that many Brits also complain about the immigrants.

      I haven’t seen the rape statistics, I will have to look at them and that particular issue. But the Skandi men are definitely no more delinquent. They are not women haters – if they were, I would not feel like in paradise when I’m there.

      They can’t stand against the third world brutes because they are differently built. They have a completely different mentality. There is no hustling in their culture. Like I said, the immigration must stop asap.

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    244. on March 28, 2010 at 12:45 am xsplat

      Matt

      Hmmm, it has gotten a bit nasty here. This sort of behavior tends to reinforce the notion that men are nothing but brutes. Lighten up some and at least attempt to take the moral high ground in discussions.

      The problem with that strategy, Matt, is that womyns studies bots don’t listen to reason. You can win every argument, and they just don’t listen.

      And yet even while unreasonable they puppet men through appealing to emotion. Poor, poor oppresesd me. Won’t you help me get just a smidge of political power, because I’ve been so oppressed.

      Fuck em.

      This is war.

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    245. on March 28, 2010 at 12:48 am The realist

      Nothing you say is backed up anything. You love scandinavia because supposedly the men are heroic yet.

      A: They cannot defend their women from these muslim invaders as adequately as everyone else.

      B:Their presence is virtually non existant in all major sports. Your best footballers of recent memory have been a muslim bosnian(zlatan ibrahimovic) and a half black(henrikk larrson).

      C: They are dominated in all strength and power sports by americans and eastern europeans.

      D: They have ridiculous crime rates.

      which basically leaves us with the real reason you like scandanavia.

      Because it is a bastion of de-civilization. No males there have pride, in themselves or their women or their children, and YOU CAN POPP OUT BASTARD CHILDREN WITH NO STIGMA OR REPURCUSSION.

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    246. on March 28, 2010 at 12:50 am Skadi

      And the reason to move there? Not just to “pop out a child”.
      The main reason is the concentrated amount of high quality males and their respectful attitude towards the women.

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    247. on March 28, 2010 at 12:52 am xsplat

      Let me lay this down for you, Matt.

      As social primates, we are geared to respect authority. But when the Alpha becomes abusive and oppressive, the troup reacts by violently ousting him.

      This social dynamic is so ingrained in us, that you see this theme in movies all the time. The top dog was being a bastard and gets his in the end.

      Women were that top dog, through feminisms overplay of their hand, and now through misandrist laws and insane marital imbalance. And a truly fucked up culture that gives women way way too much hand.

      So what naturally happens is a violent backlash. The womyn were being opprossive bitches, and now they will get their smack down.

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    248. on March 28, 2010 at 12:53 am Kevin Robinson

      What you don’t realize is that men ARE the state, at least financially. Look at what happens to the U.S. economy when men lose their jobs en masse. The state gets money only by taking it from people who earn it. Who, by your own account, are primarily men. Which proves what the MRAs have been saying for many years now, that the system is biased against men and does not serve the interests of men anymore. At all at all at all.

      The rotten, cowardly little race you talk so much about saving (while of course doing absolutely nothing yourself) is done. DONE SON. The demographics in Europe are ironclad. If there is not significant change, ALL the (significant) countries of Europe will be majority-Muslim in five decades. The United States won’t be far behind. Bernard Lewis told der Spiegel this and caused a furor but there was nothing about it that is at all disputable.

      If you aren’t going to reproduce, you need to shut the FUCK UP about “preserving the white race.” It’s just like the assholes who want everyone else to take mass transit, so they can drive their car.

      By the way, EVERY guy reading this blog used to be a Nice Guy, from Roissy all the way down. We ALL used to be the little bitch-boys that you pine for. Every one of us.

      Then we meet bitches like you and Wendy Schwartz, but have the good fortune to come across someone like Roissy who rescues us from the darkest corners of our own beta hearts. And then the Nice Guy is gone, forever.

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    249. on March 28, 2010 at 12:55 am xsplat

      Comment in mod, Mat. Summary: As social primates, we are geared to respect authority. But when the Alpha becomes abusive and oppressive, the troup reacts by violently ousting him. Women were that top dog, through feminisms overplay of their hand.

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    250. on March 28, 2010 at 12:59 am xsplat

      Matt, have you ever come across a troupe of fat, overbearing, obnoxious women, who think they have a divine right to rule the world? True bullies?

      That’s today’s feminism. A troupe of fat entitled bitches who in no way deserve what they demand. Bullies. They deserve to be treated with contempt and mockery.

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    251. on March 28, 2010 at 1:00 am Skadi

      xsplat, you are wrong. I would treat a man such as Matt completely differently than someone as rude and misogynist as you or that other guy.

      I’m not a women’s studies bot. Have read very little feminist literature (real shame, gotta finally open those books). Instead, I’ve been thinking about setting up a Man’s studies course in my local University. There is one already, but it needs to be embellished.

      realist, you sound infantile. Ice hockey, one of the most dynamic, aggressive and masculine sports, is dominated by Scandinavians. Half of the Detroit Red Wings are Swedes. Don’t even get me started on listing the names.

      What they achieve is much more in proportion to what their physical size as a nation is.

      Crime is low in Scandinavia, most crime is due to non-Scandinavians. There used to be a time when they could leave their house without locking the doors. That whole globalization (driven by Anglos, btw) changed all that.

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    252. on March 28, 2010 at 1:07 am Rum

      I am an American but I am intimately aware of Sweden and its immigration issues. For reasons I don’t want to talk about.
      The women there stay awake at night wetting their pants in anticipation of being “raped” by the invading other. Mainly because they lethally dis-respect the men of Sweden for not seeing thru the cosmic shit-test of feminist advocacy of an open border Somali invasion of their wide open thighs.

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    253. on March 28, 2010 at 1:11 am Breeze

      @ Nicole: You can’t argue your way out being fat. No amount of clever arguments are going to convince men that being fat is attractive. Is hard wired biology. Sorry.

      @ xsplat: You may be pushing twice your own weight with a machine, but that says shit about your actual strength. The only accurate test of strength are free weights.

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    254. on March 28, 2010 at 1:12 am Kevin Robinson

      Whatever dude.

      In Europe they’re getting what they deserve. They embraced liberalism and threw open the doors of their countries to all the garbage from the third world. They already let the horse out of the barn and the toothpaste out of the tube. There is no going back.

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    255. on March 28, 2010 at 1:13 am Skadi

      Let’s not impose all that rape fantasy myth again!

      Yea, some Swedish girls like blacks/Arabs. But most of them mate with ethnic Swedes. I have observed their mating behavior on countless trips. There’s a special way to interact with Swedish guys. But the girls there are very picky.

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    256. on March 28, 2010 at 1:17 am Skadi

      Kevin, North America will soon no longer be predominantly white. It is full of folks from the 3rd world and Mexico.

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    257. on March 28, 2010 at 1:19 am The realist

      Ice hockey……….are you for real? Did you watch the winter olympics? the final was between USA and CANADA . Not to mention the fact that its an altogether B.S sport.

      Boxing- blacks and eastern europeans
      Football- what scandanavian teams are even at the world cup? everyone except scandanavians can play
      Cricket-No
      Rugby-No

      i could

      i would mention NBA, NFL and baseball but no one else plays them except ameicans.

      WTF are all you scandanavians up to? Is getting raped by Arabs the new craze taking up everyones time?

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    258. on March 28, 2010 at 1:21 am Kevin Robinson

      Wow really? I didn’t know that, living in Texas. I’m glad you alerted me.

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    259. on March 28, 2010 at 1:27 am The realist

      The only decent thing to come out of scandanavia are Volvos and Saabs. And like scandanavian men all they are good for is taking a lot of shit over their drawn out, very average performing lifetimes.

      Apart from that all i can think of is pigs. And no im not talking about the women, we don’t want those. I’m talking ham and bacon mmmmmmm.

      Im glad you like scandanavian men because we would rather have your pigs asses than your women.

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    260. on March 28, 2010 at 1:27 am Skadi

      realist, I’m not Scandinavian. And hockey is the best sport in the world 🙂 even though guys always dig soccer more and it’s the king of sports. Still, Ice hockey exerts the most masculinity and grace. There is way more rough physical contact and danger in hockey than soccer.

      And you are a chauvinist against smaller nations.

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    261. on March 28, 2010 at 1:28 am Rum

      That N. America is headed towards being predominately non-white is the result of deliberate policies by certain elites. It is not because of an act of god or of nature.
      The result of this mixing will by and bye come to resemble the conditions on the Texas frontier in, say, 1840, when Commanches were killing, raping, and scalping every single anglo they could catch;
      And the Anglos did far, far worse things… with a crystal-clean conscience.

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    262. on March 28, 2010 at 1:29 am xsplat

      Rum

      Mainly because they lethally dis-respect the men of Sweden for not seeing thru the cosmic shit-test of feminist advocacy

      You’ve got it. Feminism was a massive, societal level shit test that the west failed miserably.

      Now we’ve got a nagging harping bitch on our hand, and it’s called the state. Its called marriage. Its called female entitlement and misandry seeped into every corner of the media.

      So how to undue such a failure, at this late stage?

      Dominance.

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    263. on March 28, 2010 at 1:30 am Skadi

      realist, I’m Baltic. And Skandi women are very beautiful. Unlike Brittish women (no offense, they’re still respectable, but they are not the most gorgeous in the world).

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    264. on March 28, 2010 at 1:32 am Skadi

      Where is this misandry? The man still own most of the wealth. The richest people are all men.

      There have been some trends which I would consider misandric in some Hollywood movies lately. But other than that (and those crazy courts) where else is it? Just curious.

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    265. on March 28, 2010 at 1:34 am xsplat

      @Breeze, I’m sure you’re right about that machine being off. Other machines there have puzzling numbers on them as well. Doing a reverse curl, where push the hanging bar down towards the ground, I’ve got the stack at 70 or 75. But how is that possible when I only weigh about 60? And it can’t be in pounds, because when I hang on the bar it supports a good deal of my weight.

      Anyway, it’s a fun sport, and its very encouraging to see the daily improvements. I usually get bored with it once I look good, and start to work out only once or twice a week, but this time I think I’ll go for a bigger body than I’ve had before. Maybe buff up to 6 or 7 months worth of build-up, and maintain that.

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    266. on March 28, 2010 at 1:36 am Zarathustra

      Laura:

      It does seem as if some of the men on this blog are benefitting from women’s sexual liberation. Personally, I can’t say my own life has been improved by it all that much.

      Of course it did; sure you’re married now but I bet you had some fun when you were younger. Don’t front like that, girl.

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    267. on March 28, 2010 at 1:40 am Skadi

      Yea, but why not have some fun with each other? 🙂 I guess it benefited both sexes to some extent.

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    268. on March 28, 2010 at 1:50 am Rum

      Skadi
      In actual fact, women in America hold and control more wealth than men. Married guys dying first and/or being pillaged by divorce laws..etc.
      And so what have these over-stuffed, money-gorged women done with their unearned bounty?
      Huge closets full of shoes. That and paying for the torture of innocents.

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    269. on March 28, 2010 at 1:55 am Skadi

      Rum, ease up… it must be harsh over there, but just ease up a little bit.

      Yea, there is this book by Warren Farrel, The Myth of Male Power. It talks about how resources are transfered to women (not all because the biggest wealth is still concentrated in male hands). But if it’s for kids, it’s legit. For shoes, not really. But you guys tend to like stilletoes, don’t you?

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    270. on March 28, 2010 at 1:58 am Topher

      “Women all say that muscles are “gross.” Yet they all start coming up to my friend, feeling his muscles. Since I have a nice build, I get secondary play. “Are you guys in the fitness field?” ”

      To paraphrase Randy Pausch, don’t pay any attention to what a woman says – only pay attention to what she does. Women’s magazines, advice columns and other betatizing manuals have encouraged women to lie about what they really like in men. They reveal the truth in the men they choose.

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    271. on March 28, 2010 at 2:03 am Skadi

      Wow, about those divorce laws… how crazy it would be an American female married to an upper middle class guy and divorcing him. Wow.. so much free money. To think that I’ve never considered anything like that, not that it would ever have been available to me…

      But in the end, I would not choose that… rather be single, with my own income and not marrying.

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    272. on March 28, 2010 at 2:04 am xsplat

      Ok, for the many fitness buffs here who lift weights, what is your preferred body type to keep? Do you just go for your maximum, and try to always bulk up? Or maintain once you’ve reached a certain level? Try to give an answer in terms of months or years it takes to develop, without steroids.

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    273. on March 28, 2010 at 2:07 am Skadi

      Muscles are nice, medium build is the best.
      And most women’s magazines totally suck, so shallow and totally idiotic “advice”, and pushing vanity and shallow glamour on women.

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    274. on March 28, 2010 at 2:25 am The realist

      @Xsplat

      Breeze was correct machines are child play. You won’t really see me using any machine but the cables pullies.

      You aren’t shit if you can’t bench press 50 kilogram DUMBELLS.

      Thats where i START from but i have benched over 400lbs before, but then was when i had something to prove, you won’t see me even trying to go far over 300 now.

      I am 5’10

      weigh 14 stone 2lbs which is 198lbs. At my peak training when i was 23(i’m 27 now) i was 15 stone 5lbs which is 215lbs. I could get even bigger than that now with relative ease but its not neccersary. As a man your max strength should peak from ages 28-35 but your physique can keep solidifying well into your forties.

      Generally you are at your fittest from ages 18-25 in terms of stamina and muscle recovery. Most co-ordinated and technically capable from 24-30 and strongest from 28-40.

      I try to keep my workout to a maximum of 6-7 different exercise, 2-3 sets of each. Reps 6-8. Each session a FULL BODY WORKOUT lasting 45mins-1 hour max. 3-4 times a week. I never train 2 days consecutively.

      Squat
      Deadlift
      Bench press(flat and raised, barbell and dumbell)
      weighted pull up/dip
      Row(standing and bent over)
      Cable machine/resitance band for core excersises.

      Thats a pretty solid routine that can be completed in 45 minutes or less if you keep the intensity high. Throw in some isolation excersises if you really have the time/energy.

      Oh yeh and remember, Bicep curls are for girls.

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    275. on March 28, 2010 at 2:37 am The realist

      Oh yeh forgot to mention i was 15 stone 5lbs CUT, which took dieting and cardio effort for a few months. When i was simply bulking and piling on the pounds/mass and pumping up the strength i was weighing in at nearly 17 stone which for my height is pretty heavy.

      Now i tend to keep my diet more healthy and constant and my training more balanced so i look pretty good at a constantly slimline and cut 200lbs.

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    276. on March 28, 2010 at 2:54 am xsplat

      Realist, I guess you have a comment in moderation. For me, 200 pounds is monstrously huge. At my height it would be impossible to ever get close to that, even roided out and in heavy boots.

      By the way for the short guys, another reason to like Asia. The guys here are smaller than westerners. You will hardly be short any more. And there are so many petite girls. Tiny little things. Itsy bitsy little girls. Makes you feel huge.

      Anyway, realist, how long did it take you to get your preferred body type? A couple of years?

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    277. on March 28, 2010 at 3:03 am The realist

      How tall are you im only 5’10” which is why i decided 215-240 was just way too big and chunky for me. To get my biggest and strongest took about 18 months of the routine i posted. No roids just lots of food and perseverance. It’s been a while since i havn’t trained at all but i’d guess my natural bodyweight is somewhere around 180-185 mark.

      From 180 to 200(cut) is only 20-30 pounds of muscle so i can do that in 6 months or less maybe 4 if im pushing it. But generally i find as you get bigger it gets harder and harder to make gains, if you’ve got a good workout(and diet) you’ll always make your biggest gains in the first 3-6 months of training.

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    278. on March 28, 2010 at 3:07 am The realist

      Try to use being short to your advantage, i know big tall 300 pound guys who don’t look as impressive as me because it’s just harder to look pumped when your weight is spread over long limbs and bones. Having a compact physique can be a definate bonus as you’ll start looking big and defined without adding nearly as much muscle and spending as much time in the gym

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    279. on March 28, 2010 at 5:05 am xsplat

      Oh, by the way, Realist, I think I misled you about what I meant by being heartbroken and the horrible dreams. My live in mate of 11 months died about three weeks ago. In real life I saw her die an horrible agonizing death. In the dream I had yesterday morning I was kissing her while talking – something we used to regularly do, heart just wrenching with acute pain, telling her I missed her, and saw in her mouth what she had just before she died – a mouth full of candida fungus. Horror scene.

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    280. on March 28, 2010 at 6:31 am Athlone McGinnis

      xsplat: As to how long it takes:

      I started lifting in 7th grade. My program was very simple-get to the bench(had one in my basement), find a weight I could rep out, and go to failure 4 to 5 times per week. This generally to me about 5 minutes to complete.

      By 2009 when it came time to go to college, I was 230 LB fullback/linebacker(I’m 5’10” by the way). I was 225LB for most of my high school career. I was maxing about 350LB on bench during training camp my senior year.

      I’m 18 now, so it basically to me about 3 years to get the stocky build I wanted to play college football(since i started at around 12), though adolescence probably altered that figure. If you were to be on a legit weight lifting program(which I obviously was not), you could probably do it in a year or two. I didn’t touch any supplements(not even protein powder) until I hit my senior year, and by then I had already been 225LB, so I can say that they aren’t necessary(though they will speed up the process further).

      Recently, I slimmed down to about 217-220(thanks to an altered diet) in order to gain some speed. I look a lot leaner and trimmer now, but I’ve found that I’ve maintained all of my strength.

      Granted, being an athlete for my entire adolescence has helped a lot, and now I’m in a D-1 training program where lifting is pretty much life. But essentially it took me a few years, and I was always going to failure in order to build and maintain bulk.

      I could cut down to 210 or less if I made an effort to, but I prefer to maintain much of my bulk as opposed to the more trim, cut look realist is talking about. I don’t really have a choice in that matter now because of football(gotta keep a certain weight) but after college I could consider it.

      Just my $.02.

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    281. on March 28, 2010 at 6:45 am Athlone McGinnis

      BTW, xsplat, great posts on the life of an expat. I’m thinking of getting out of here when I get older and have the opportunity(read: money). I might have conversed with you already on another post as JLaw45 about this.

      I may be young, but the state of dating here is kind of wearing on me. Prospects don’t look all that great for the forseeable future.

      As to Roissy’s post, I’m very familiar with the effects of skewed sex ratios. I go to a small ivy, and just about every elite college(as well as engineering school) has this issue. Girls here are tough to get, especially for anxious betas like myself. Sausage fests are common on weekends. Sex ratio is like 48-52 male female. Cute chicks are in relatively short supply(lots of 5’s, few 7’s or up), making competition for those few fierce. Naturally, given so much choice, even the 5’s play extra hard to get. Being a football player doesn’t help you at all like it would at many non-ivy’s. Situations like the one at UNC and other similar schools make me envious.

      If you can pick up consistently here, you can do it anywhere. Guarantee it.

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    282. on March 28, 2010 at 7:00 am Jerry Ertans

      Skadi is a young Latvian woman who still has not explained on this blog exactly which professors in Riga taught her about western feminism and what US or British backed feminist groups are operating in Latvia.

      Skadi: Agreed the misandry and the problem with feminism was NOT the sexual revolution. You should be pointing out again and again that guys who harp on that make most puas scrath their heads and they are crippling the men’s rights movement because most men want premarital sex.

      The real misandry and danger of organized feminism is

      1) Making young attractive women believe they will be desirable to men forever instead of 5 years max. The Cougar Movement is filled with older women who date younger men but would advise their own daughters not to date older men, which segways into:

      2) Institutionalized Cockblocking, for instance when older, unattractive women attempt to pass laws and shape the culture in order to basically force men their own age to stay with them or date them. While the lawmaking is mostly pathetic attempts to cockblock men (such as background checking them before they can meet “mail order brides” under IMBRA), the cultural effect of making rich older white males 35+ look bad to women 18-24 has been huge and is the reason why I’ve simply chosen not to live in the USA (although I could probably do better in the USA than most of the younger males who tolerate living there but shouldn’t).

      The misandry says “those males who don’t let us regulate their thoughts and desires are jackasses”.

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    283. on March 28, 2010 at 7:09 am xsplat

      Wow, Athlone, those are impressive numbers. I’d never even considered putting on that much weight. Your inspiring story has made me think maybe I should keep the momentum going for a few years, rather than just a few more months.

      I’ve got a different question for the multitude. Does anyone have any bling? Here in Asia I’m betting bling could go over well, if I can figure out how to do it tastefully. Huge gold chain? Can’t see it. Heavy gold ring with stone, maybe.

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    284. on March 28, 2010 at 7:18 am SmartDuck

      Why American girls with a princess face suddenly expand like a balloon and double their weight when they reach 30? It is not only food, it must be a genetic time bomb.

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    285. on March 28, 2010 at 8:36 am PA

      That whole globalization (driven by Anglos, btw) changed all that.

      I only skimmed over the mass of comments but feminist nonsense aside, any girl that makes openly critical comments about third world immigration is not all-bad. I liked her comment about anglo-driven globalization.

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    286. on March 28, 2010 at 9:50 am Topher

      “Why American girls with a princess face suddenly expand like a balloon and double their weight when they reach 30? It is not only food, it must be a genetic time bomb.”

      Well, yes – people’s metabolism tends to slow down post-30, and when you eat like you are 20 it doesn’t take long for the genetic time bomb to explode in your midsection.

      One problem is that the best way to stay healthy and fit is to have a lifestyle that makes you happy so you aren’t weighed down (no pun intended) by shame and guilt as motivation. Unfortunately, many/most American women are not taught to be happy, but are instead taught to be perpetually unhappy/shamed/guilted so that the media can sell them more magazines and TV shows.

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    287. on March 28, 2010 at 10:01 am The realist

      @Xsplat.

      Got a good post in moderation a bit further up that should help you design a decent mass building workout that will start giving you results ASAP.

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    288. on March 28, 2010 at 10:31 am Skadi

      Jerry, I had written a reply about where my views generate from and they are not imposed from any US/UK professors but stem from the egalitarian culture that we used to have in the older times and which still exists in this region. But my post was put in moderation and never let through, just like many other of my posts. Nobody has brainwashed me, I truly believe in the equal worth of males and females. I will not read this blog anymore because the hatred against women (including me) here is just appalling. People here do not listen to the substance of what is being said but instead use foul language. This level is too low for me. I prefer communicating with men who are not hateful and dysfunctional.

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    289. on March 28, 2010 at 10:59 am Kevin Robinson

      The foul language is BECAUSE we ARE listening to what you’re saying.

      Good riddance
      to bad rubbish

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    290. on March 28, 2010 at 11:01 am Jerry Ertans

      Skadi – Don’t leave because of those with foul mouths and the many who are dyfunctional because of the American society they are thrashing about in like fish out of water. Rather, you might not like to hang out here because you are also like a fish out of water – you simply will not see, especially being that you are not from the USA, that American men are not wrong in identifying organized feminism as something that is not interested in “equality” but in the zero sum game of regulating men and telling them whom they are supposed to be attracted to.

      Apart from your unwillingness to see why Swedish or American males would want to fly to Latvia (to meet better looking, non-feminist women than they could meet locally), you bring an important viewpoint to discussions here, although your point of view is clearly not what the average East European woman has.

      Are you saying that there was no particular professor in Riga who taught you his or her version of feminism?

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    291. on March 28, 2010 at 11:25 am Jerry Ertans

      @Roissy – Here is an idea for a new post related to this post:

      Durex Condoms in the UK just released a Press Release in which they tried to pedastalize women in an underhanded way. They said “1 in 3 women would have sex with a total stranger for $2 million, while this falls to 1 in 7 women being willing to have sex with a stranger for $200k.”

      The false implication the PR gives is that sex one time with most women is worth more than $200k. This is outrageous overpricing on the part of Durex managers who framed the questions. The questions ignored the fact that there is not a man alive who would pay more than $20k for sex because rich men wouldn’t have to in order to get a 10. The Durex questions were clearly developed by feminists, victorians or betas whose minds were up in fantasyland building pedastals.

      What should have been surveyed anonymously was this: “Would you have sex with a clean beta admirer for $20,000? Would you give a handjob to a clean beta admirer for $2,000?”

      Even more realistic would have been a multiple choice question “What would you do for a discrete $500 cash with a man you liked enough to give your phone number to but who doesn’t have the time to date you”.

      The powers that be would be upset if accurate statistics got out showing men that they could shortcut a lot of game for $300…a figure closer to reality than Durex implied.

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    292. on March 28, 2010 at 11:39 am New Guy Part Duex

      Women are not equal. That’s the problem.

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    293. on March 28, 2010 at 11:54 am Jerry Ertans

      Just saw a brazen example of Hollywood not even making disaster movies for a male audience. “Storm Cell” stars Mimi Rogers, who graced the cover of Playboy just 17 years ago when she was a hot 37 year old MILF. Unfortunately, she was looking really haggard in this film, which depicted her as an aging professor who had become the best at her field (tornado predicting) but who had thrown away any chance at love or romance while raising a daughter on her own without telling the man she had had sex with that he was the father (she rejected him to build her career).

      The daughter they picked for this film was super hot (actually too skinny for me but she might fill out before she is 20) and it was painful to see the camera pan back and forth because Mimi was once really hot. They had a really young guy pursue the daughter and try to date rape her (the feminist notion of what young guys want to do) while they had the successful older man who had impregnated “Mimi” suddenly want to be a husband and a dad at the end (the feminist notion that succesful older men who aren’t evil will want to date women their own age). Never mind that he would have missed out on enjoying Mimi’s body 17 years earlier when she was younger and rejected him to build her career (around the time when the real Mimi Rogers was in Playboy).

      The effect was to put all the women on pedestals and pretend that there is no wall.

      A script for men would have had the old guy welcome the daughter he never knew he had after learning he didn’t owe $100k in support and then drive off into the sunset with another woman half his age after sharing old times with his friend from the past.

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    294. on March 28, 2010 at 11:54 am Anon

      Xsplat: It is fairly common to see guys moving huge weights with a leg press machine but fail to do anything worthwhile on a true full range of motion squat. It is also almost impossible to go from nothing to 2x your bodyweight on the bench with free weights, unless you already have a solid foundation to work with.

      You’ve been lifting for a few months now. You owe it to yourself to get off the machines and on the free weights. There is a world of difference between machine assisted weights verses you and a bar.

      Another poster mentioned Mark Rippletoe – his starting strength routine is a great way to get started. The important thing is to check the ego at the door as you will have to re-zero a lot of your weights after making the transition away from machines

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    295. on March 28, 2010 at 12:12 pm xsplat

      Anon, I won’t have much choice but to use free weights soon, as I’ll max out that bench press machine in a week or two.

      I don’t much care about the numbers – I’m in it for the bulk. And for that I’ll keep my ego, thank you very much. I love a little self admiration.

      I don’t see that Rippletoe routine here.

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    296. on March 28, 2010 at 12:57 pm gunslingergregi

      ”””””Rum
      That N. America is headed towards being predominately non-white is the result of deliberate policies by certain elites. It is not because of an act of god or of nature.
      The result of this mixing will by and bye come to resemble the conditions on the Texas frontier in, say, 1840, when Commanches were killing, raping, and scalping every single anglo they could catch;
      And the Anglos did far, far worse things… with a crystal-clean conscience.
      ””””””’

      I’d come back for that time he he he

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    297. on March 28, 2010 at 1:43 pm Jerry Ertans

      @Skadi Your point of view gets really exasperating when you make such outrageous comments as “after 40 it is too late for a man”. Many American alphas only get started at 40 and they do well in Eastern Europe. And, unless Latvia has gotten really anti-American-male recently (it never was the best place for American men to date), it is not the tendency of Latvian twenty-something women to write off successful, good looking men in their 40s.

      Again I ask: exactly what exposure are women in Riga getting that made you start thinking like like a bitter old American woman who wants to even the playing field where women are ignored after menopause? Or are you projecting, are you intellectually thinking that East European women should take revenge and show solidarity with the American women men are abandoning by not dating older US (or Swedish) men?

      Men age like wine while many women age like milk. Feminism cannot change this. A gym membership can maybe.

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    298. on March 28, 2010 at 1:45 pm Nicole

      Breeze, if someone 100 lbs. at 5’4″ (my dimensions at 15, and I have photos) is fat to you, then you need your head examined.

      You just jump on any little thing, and it’s starting to be tedious. I’m trying to explain to someone how women sabotage each other, and somehow you hallucinate me saying that all men should find fat women attractive.

      To be real, I don’t particularly care what the masses of sheeple on this planet find attractive. It doesn’t matter to me because I’m not shagging and damn sure not trying to breed with any of them/you.

      If you want to know why, use your response as an example. You’re a regurgitating robot with no soul who might as well be a girl as far as I’m concerned.

      Scratch that. I likes me a feisty wench. I don’t like humans who need “the overwhelming majority” or the surgeon general to hold their hand while their fucking, and give them a god damned merit badge.

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    299. on March 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm xsplat

      Jerry Ertans

      @Skadi Your point of view gets really exasperating when

      Jerry, have you ever had a conversation with a Jehova’s Witness? Any true believer is incapable of altering their beliefs, because their identity rests on those beliefs, and they can not emotionally handle to lose the foundation of their identity.

      I don’t much mind stupid stubborn people. I mind them when they group together and donate funds to lobbying groups that say “poor me, I’m so oppressed by the patriarchy. My husband is battering me. I’m getting raped every weekend. Give me special treatment. Give me a quote system in government. Give me special protective laws. All men are beasts and potential pedophiles, let keep them away from the children (who we can then indoctrinate at our sole whims). Men are scary, protect me from the bad men.

      When the stupid people become a political force that won’t listen to reason, you have to fight them. With soft words, if that works. If not, then the next step up in escalation.

      It’s like parenting a child. Some kids will respond well to soft words. Some you have to give a time out in their room. Some you have to occasionally spank. Some will wind up in Juvie. You’ve got to do what you’ve got to do. Escalate up to the point necessary.

      The point of escalation has come.

      Fuck the sisterhood.

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    300. on March 28, 2010 at 2:46 pm Linkage is Good for You: Sloth Edition

      […] Roissy – “Game Resources“, “Mimicking Social Circle Game“, “Sausage Fest” […]

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    301. on March 28, 2010 at 2:53 pm xsplat

      “I will just add that I purposefully exaggerated my points to play the devil’s advocate.”

      Ya, no shit doughnut. You were being a belligerent troll.

      Devils advocate? How about petulant child stirring up shit just for the fun of it.

      Spank.

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    302. on March 28, 2010 at 3:00 pm Jerry Ertans

      Of course a big factor in skewing sex ratios is age…mainly the way men stay in the running for much longer than women do, thus badly skewing the ratio of available mates in favor of the youngest women.

      If most of the women men want are 18-25 but these women will date over a much wider range, then there will be a huge population of males going after a small population of females and these young women have the advantage of being outnumbered (until their brief moment in the spotlight is up). Even worse for all the men young and old: the population of female 10s doesn’t care about the number of 8s competing with them.

      In many societies, where women may not even consider poor males their own age, the sex ratio is not skewed because the women are only considering rich older alpha males (think James Bond) and there are few of those.

      These are healthy societies where any American man over 30 needs to live. No man should accept less than $100k per year salary in the USA when he can live like James Bond and get laid with 10s on $30k per year in half the rest of the world.

      But anglo societies have long propagandized young women into at least considering men their own age who have no IMM characteristics (no stories to tell), and that causes young women to feel like they have plenty of men to choose from.

      In fact, in anglo societies, the younger men even get the nerve to say the older men shouldn’t be muscling onto “their” territory. Some short-sighted young anglo PUAs feel livid hatred toward PUAs over 40 who fully intend to date women 18-25. The older men, by deciding they only want the really young 9s and 10s, up the price the young man has to pay to get laid. Beta males on campuses like UNC will have competition from local alpha businessmen with nice cars and plenty to spend.

      Feminism is a two-edged sword for the young male. Feminists try to tell the young women “only base your evaluation of the sex ratio on the number of men your own age”. This would help the young male. The NYBTimes journalist who wrote about UNC tried to do this (which was against his own damned interest – the shmuck never once thought that he might like a piece of the ass he was writing about). He wrote that the young women on campus didn’t have many men to choose from while he ignored the idea that they might prefer local alpha businessmen (or an alpha NYTimes journalist) to college betas.

      The other side of the feminist sword hurts young men and older men alike: they teach young women that they will be beautiful forever and have plenty of time to act fickle and bizarre with all men, alpha beta young or old.

      I have the impression that a primary goal of the Roissy blog is to make sure young women know that, for most of them, their time of being beautiful is limited, so they better deal with PUAs rationally (picking the best man without bizarre behavior like getting drunk and flaking).

      The idea women have about how long they will look good is at least as big a factor as sex ratios while sex ratio calculations need to consider that 10s don’t care about the number of 8s competing with them just as alphas don’t care about the number of betas competing with them.

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    303. on March 28, 2010 at 3:05 pm Skadi

      Jerry,

      It is really insulting that you assume I need some professor from the US to indoctrinate me into a certain opinion, as if I do not have a mind of my own. I make my own observations of reality and form opinions based on that. There is no feminist indoctrination as Western style feminism is generally not popular here. We have our own gender equality tradition which stems from the past.

      I repeat – the Baltic culture historically has been rather egalitarian when it comes to sexes, plus during the Soviet times there was a strong emphasis on women’s equality. Yes, Latvian women do not have the choices that the American women have, but they are not subservient to men.

      Alright, let’s rephrase, 40 year old is not necessarily “too late for a man”. You are overestimating your value. A 40 year old man really has to bring a lot to the table in order to be picked by a 20 year old girl for a significant relationship. Such men are very few. Viggo Mortensen is 50 and he is extremely desirable, but he is one in a million. Most fellas are average and after around 35, if they do not keep fit, they really do not look attractive anymore. Online dating sites are filled with average older guys who dream about much younger pretty women. I notice that some of those over 35 year olds with average incomes don’t even have kids, they have certainly dragged it out for way too long.

      [editor: i know a couple of average-income older guys who have tight game. you have no idea just how easy the young pussy flows…]

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    304. on March 28, 2010 at 3:06 pm Jerry Ertans

      Skadi – I completely support where you said you have a right, as a young woman, to judge men based on their bodies and their financial status. I would only suggest that the photos of men you found attractive showed that you like men who are too young and skinny…like you are one of those women who are taking the pill and have become attracted to girly men because of the new hormone imbalance.

      Most women of the former Soviet Union have told me that their ideal is Stephen Segall or Bruce Willis (both men in their 50s by the way).

      I’ve written that money is a huge factor in dating and I would agree with you in any argument you have (as a young woman) with a young man who thinks his pure game is going to make having a good job irrelevant. 😉

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    305. on March 28, 2010 at 3:08 pm xsplat

      Matt

      Hmmm, it has gotten a bit nasty here. This sort of behavior tends to reinforce the notion that men are nothing but brutes.

      It is exactly this type of self censorship we’ve been indoctrinated in, Matt, that led us men to lose the gender war. We didn’t even know there was a war. Until now, when we’ve clearly lost it.

      Women play the poor me card. Protect me from the bad men. And then good guys like you hand over all the power to them.

      You’ve got to give the girls a hand. They are born with some wiley tricks.

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    306. on March 28, 2010 at 3:18 pm Skadi

      Jerry, I judge men not only on their bodies, but also on their character. That is an extremely important component.
      I picked those photos to illustrate just one example of what is a fine male body structure, nice medium built contours without too many muscles (there was a discussion about body builders). Of course, I like men who are more buff too. I like both thin and husky men. Segal and Willis I haven’t paid much attention to. Out of older guys I love actor Viggo Mortensen (50) and hockey player Mario Lemieux (45).
      Again, I’m not into the man’s money, it suffices that he has a stable, legal job. But if a man wants young and hot, he better deliver something real (the game will not suffice).

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    307. on March 28, 2010 at 3:20 pm Jerry Ertans

      Short-sighted young males also feel that feminism helps them by convincing young women not to consider a man’s financial status when he applies game. It does actually help poor males on campus for the college years, but then the artificial safety net is cruelly lifted as it always should have been. The older feminists also aren’t considering the happiness of younger males in the Marxist propaganda they preach to young women on campus. What they want is for the rich older males to get rejected by the younger females so they will turn to them.

      Skadi is thankfully not a true feminist in this regard. This is why I keep wondering whom she studied feminism from.

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    308. on March 28, 2010 at 3:23 pm xsplat

      Skadi, before you make further posts, you’d do yourself and the readership here a service if you’d read the posts and comments on this site.

      It might take you a few days.

      You have an ideology completely ignorant and at odds with pretty well everyone and everything here. And you have no idea about that.

      You truly are clueless. Do us all a favor and educate yourself. Spare yourself further humiliation, and the rest of us further aggravation.

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    309. on March 28, 2010 at 3:27 pm xsplat

      You are the definition of clueless ditz, skadi. Blathering on and on without listening, offering absolutely no insight, just regurgitating your favorite pet belief systems.

      Worse than noise.

      Fix yourself, because you are socially broken. If you don’t fix yourself, people will either want to fix you or break you further.

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    310. on March 28, 2010 at 3:32 pm Skadi

      Jerry,

      When a woman has a choice, she likes what she likes. I know what you mean about the pill, but it is not my case. Women’s preferences are changing due to evolution towards a more gentle, cooperative male. However, I enjoy a variety of masculinities, both gentle, feminine looking and rugged. My favorite is a masculine face with some tender features, here is a perfect example:

      http://gallery.agriskrusts.lv/Sports/Sporta-bil%C5%BEu-arh%C4%ABvs/7394228_FMW5m/170/482114788_eZ3Qc/Medium

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    311. on March 28, 2010 at 3:41 pm Skadi

      Jerry, I wrote about my ideological background but that post is stuck in moderation. I was not indoctrinated, I have my own mind to form opinions. 🙂 These are my own observations, I haven’t even read the Feminine mystique. I’m not a feminist, but a gender equalist – the sexes are different, but equally worthy as they complement each other. And this does not come from the US professors, but from how we used to believe before the materialism of the recent decade and how they believe in Scandinavia. This blog came as quite a surprise to me, I didn’t realize the gender relationship was that screwed up in the Anglosaxon societies. But this blog and opinions here in the comments will definitely serve as a warning in my contacts with men because now I see what kind of thoughts and schemes they are capable of.

      xsplat, I truly do not care what you think, there are plenty of men who want me. So don’t worry about me.

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    312. on March 28, 2010 at 3:42 pm Skadi

      xplat, I will not read all the shit that’s on here, I already read plenty of it, some of it is very interesting along with some truly disturbing stuff. I have better things to do like improving my Swedish.

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    313. on March 28, 2010 at 3:48 pm xsplat

      If you are not interested in educating yourself on the shared knowledge of the site, doughnut, stop trying to participate in it.

      That’s fair enough, I should think.

      They don’t let 2nd graders participate in high school. No one wants to hear opinions that are ill informed.

      This is common etiquette for all forums and message boards. Take time to know the community and culture. Read the FAQ of the site, or background material of it.

      If you can’t take the effort, go away.

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    314. on March 28, 2010 at 3:52 pm Rum

      Skadi

      Yeah, and mens preferences are changing towards older women with flatter chests and a generous role of belly fat half covering their crotch – all because of explanations from feminists that that is what should make us horny.
      That was a joke, by the way. The guys all got it. I really doubt that you did.

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    315. on March 28, 2010 at 3:55 pm Skadi

      Jerry,

      This is what I alluded to in one of my moderated posts. Even in Riga, there is very fierce competition for hot, young women. I can’t even believe what is happening this spring, the streets are full of young Western men who just roam the streets in packs. For every 20-25 year old hottie there are tons of men in their 20s, 30-40s. There’s just not gonna be enough hot women to go around. And here in Eastern Europe the hot women actually expect to be paid for on a date. I’m different in that sense, as I don’t expect that.

      Women do know that they’re status is based on their age and looks. This is being blatantly put in our faces every day by the society. It is not some secret that the feminists are trying to hide. Yes, women should think about babies earlier but reality makes that hard sometimes. The fellas should also think about this much more seriously.

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    316. on March 28, 2010 at 4:01 pm Skadi

      Rum,

      There are studies about how women’s preferences are changing in the West. One of them was linked somewhere in these blogs. Women’s preferences change when they have a choice.

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    317. on March 28, 2010 at 4:05 pm xsplat

      “Women’s preferences change when they have a choice.”

      So when women have a choice, they choose their preference. Meaning their preference changes.

      We have another doughnutism.

      Can’t argue with logic like that. Because nonsense is beyond the realm of logic.

      You can use words, and you can make sentences, you just can’t make them mean anything.

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    318. on March 28, 2010 at 4:25 pm Anonymous

      “The Girlie Men,” by Richard Fernandez
      http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/03/27/the-girlie-men/

      “A study described by the Wall Street Journal concludes that women from “healthy countries” don’t like he-men. … Taken to its limit this theory explains the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire: when a society becomes richer and more stable the he-men go out of fashion. …”

      Basically, when women get spoiled by metrosexuals there won’t be a whole lot of he-men around to defend society from rapin’, pillaging barbarians who didn’t get like that.

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    319. on March 28, 2010 at 4:28 pm Jerry Ertans

      @Skadi

      The women of Latvia would and should prefer Viggo Mortensen (if he has game in real life) regardless of what society they live in. What US feminism does is say to young women “You must not be attracted to Viggo Mortensen because he is 50 and thus old and creepy”. At the same time they celebrate old women cougars like Demi Moore.

      So a young woman moving to the USA and getting brainwashed might very well “change her preferences” but not really because she has been given some sort of new “choice”.

      Otherwise, you weren’t saying anything more than the obvious “people who travel around and learn new languages end up with having more choice from which they can refine their preferences and make a better mate decision in the end”.

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    320. on March 28, 2010 at 4:33 pm xsplat

      Basically, when women get spoiled by metrosexuals there won’t be a whole lot of he-men around to defend society from rapin’, pillaging barbarians who didn’t get like that.

      Nature abhors a vacuum. Wherever there is a niche, some critter will adapt to fit it.

      As a salesman and marketer, I always aim to adapt and fill the niches.

      If there is a niche for a pillaging barbarian who gets all the gold and all the girls, who am I to argue with the ways of evolutionary competition?

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    321. on March 28, 2010 at 4:42 pm Skadi

      Jerry,

      I also congratulate Demi Moore – she has an enviable husband. I know you may not like to hear this but I would take Ashton any day over Bruce Willis who scares me with his attitude. But some other women will prefer Willis. It’s just a matter of taste and let it be. Let there be diversity – I love both Kutcher and Viggo Mortensen. Because of their visibly good genes.

      About the change of preference, I didn’t mean the larger scope of choices but the change of preference from the aggressive alpha male to a handsome, supportive beta:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7457138/Why-women-now-prefer-Johnny-Depp-to-Sean-Connery.html

      When women no longer need the male physical strength for security, they will pick a male who fulfills their other needs (e.g., a good father or a fine sexual partner). There was a similar study about men’s faces too –

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4261489.stm

      This really diverts from the traditional perception that it doesn’t matter what the male looks like as long as he brings home the bacon.

      The question of Cads vs Dads… which makes me wonder.. is a hot guy automatically an alpha just because he’s hot?

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    322. on March 28, 2010 at 4:49 pm Nicole

      Skadi, what you’re missing is that no woman has ever been able to depend 100% on any man. No man has ever been able to depend 100% on any woman.

      People have changed their minds, become ill, and died since there were people. Nothing is 100% reliable.

      The one thing that a human of sound mind really has any control of is their honor. In the past, honor meant something to people. When honor wasn’t enough, a moral code helped to keep people in check to a degree.

      Now, getting involved with anyone is even more of a dice roll than it used to be because the people charged with teaching kids honor (moms) think it’s more important to be good corporate drones or “find themselves”.

      On the flipside, men have become feminized fashionistas who actually compare their real life mates and potentials, to airbrushed or at least modelling agency filtered chicks they will never see in person.

      Neither side is innocent in this, as women couldn’t have gotten off track if men insisted that they wanted motherly, nurturing women in their lives. However, as equal as the blame may be for the current situation, men have born the brunt of it. Men are painted as the villains no matter what, and women are always the victims and martyrs even when they’re the cold blooded offenders.

      Men may be mostly buying the false promise of an endless revolving door of hot chicks for every guy, but who sold it to them?

      Who were the ones who convinced them that marriage wasn’t forever?

      Who were the ones who released them from any responsibility for the natural psychological or physical results of mating?

      Who were the ones who convinced them that their manly protective instincts were wrong and should be called possessiveness?

      Again, behind almost any great cultural self destructive stupidity is a woman or organized group of women.

      Some of the guys here are recovering from the stupid, and some are still wrapped up in it, but being rather admirably proactive in making their dreams come true in the few places left where it’s possible. Can you really fault them for this?

      These are not times to be pointing the finger at males. Some of that finger pointing needs to be done back at women, and when that’s all said and done, people now have to look out for themselves as individuals. Really, to save western society, we have to put our money where our mouths are about the freedom and individuality thing.

      This is why I’m here. I believe that humanity sucks because we got too far out of touch with nature, including our own. Civilization is a situation that is somewhat counter to nature, but at the same time an integral part of human nature. So balance is required.

      Most people are followers, so it’s on the leaders to lead them to a good place. As things are, the leaders are just trying to lead other people’s money into their pockets by any means necessary.

      Somehow, instead of thinking in terms of empire and society building, they just want worker drones. They’re economically and socially herding people in that direction regardless of the fact that as herdlike as humans may operate, humans are not insects. They’re mammals.

      As a comfortable outsider, I don’t have any individual interest in the dating habits of the western humanoid below the waist, but above the waist, it is my problem. I would like to not have my home overrun by people who think if you don’t believe in a Santa Claus god, you deserve to be hung in the public square. I love humanity even though most of humanity would hate the shit out of me if they knew me.

      So I’m interested in people being happy and productive, and this feminism thing isn’t doing it. Extreme any-ideology doesn’t do it. It’s time for some balance.

      …and as a guy I admire once said, sometimes the folks who have, need to sit down, shut up, and let the folks who don’t have speak.

      The guys who don’t have women hanging on the tip of their cock just for walking outside, and the gals who aren’t 7+ and get ground up like meat in the gears of the cock carousel if we dare to ride deserve some air time.

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    323. on March 28, 2010 at 5:41 pm Jerry Ertans

      That Girlie Men article is also linked to at @VeteransAbroad on Twitter. It is great to see that Pajamas Media’s Belmont Club and its readers are surprisingly well informed about the feminism problem.

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    324. on March 28, 2010 at 5:46 pm Skadi

      If a guy is hot, does that automatically make him an alpha?

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    325. on March 28, 2010 at 6:03 pm Laura

      Jerry,
      You remind me so much of some of the feminists you abhor. Basically because you are unable to get everything you want in life that is somehow the fault of society. Your lack of success with women does not constitute a grand conspiracy.

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    326. on March 28, 2010 at 6:20 pm Jerry Ertans

      Laura, You know better than that. Very few of the men who fight feminism online the best are having problems with women personally or a general lack of success with them. Look at Roissy. Do you think he blogs and condemns feminism because he’s hurting for dates?

      Quite the contrary. Meanwhile, those regulars that openly admit to (for instance) not being able to get 9s or 10s in places like Miami, wouldn’t be all that wrong in partly blaming society (a location) for not being able to get what they want.

      You were the last person I would have expected to come out of the blue and make a comment on the Roissy blog that implies American society is somehow not dysfunctional. I guess it is part of pure PUA theory that society (location) is never at fault but success or failure is always a matter of a man’s game. But posts like this one prove that the external environment is at least as important as game.

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    327. on March 28, 2010 at 6:33 pm Jerry Ertans

      @Laura that was the most illogical post you ever made. I have to wonder if someone is appropriating your name. Especially because I live overseas, none of my comments on American society indicates any lack of success with women locally. My memories of dating in the USA did have its share of really entitled princesses, told they would be gorgeous forever, among the few gems I am still friends with who correctly predicted they would not be gorgeous forever (either way, a man not interested in marriage moves on). If you don’t think feminism is a conspiracy to reshape the world to be what older Marxist American women deem to be to their personal advantage, you have to be in fantasyland. Of course it is a conspiracy by that word’s dictionary definition, but they prefer to call it a movement or political platform. I’d just call it a ‘disaster’.

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    328. on March 28, 2010 at 6:59 pm Jerry Ertans

      Skadi – What you just said about Riga now being full of western male tourists…means that I had better start shutting up about Eastern Europe being so great for men. I actually did mourn for Latvia as a place for me to hang out in when I heard there were ultra cheap flights from England because British men had “learned the secret”.

      I hope the financial crisis has slowed down the flow of western men to Riga.

      The Czech Republic was badly hurt as an advantageous place for men because of this “too many western men looking for women” phenomenon as well (also, lots of poor American hippy type men moved there in the 90s because the $ went far, and Czech girls looking to emulate their German counterparts were disgusted with these unambitious types).

      If the bulk of American and other western men had been logical and not listened to the feminists telling them not to date Eastern European women because that would be “exploitation”, then there would be more western men in the east and, consequently, a lot of women would start being less congenial. I need to thank the US feminists for cockblocking my competition, for tricking them into not doing what would be to their advantage.

      So I should just let the bulk of American men remain brainwashed about needing to date “superior American women”. I guess I have been complaining about an ideology that, if it didn’t exist, would not have stopped a quick dating equalibrium to be reached between east and west after the fall of the Soviet Union.

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    329. on March 28, 2010 at 7:13 pm Skadi

      The British guys were terrible. I’m glad they devalued the pound. What we see now are mostly Germanic guys who are usually slightly better behaved. There are a lot of young Italian metrosexuals and loads of hungry eyed older Italian dudes.
      I’m very surprised to see that despite of the crisis there appears to be more of them.

      Many Western men have exploited Eastern European women. There has been a lot of trash coming here (I wonder how many girls they have infested and how many good girls have been marketed for sex tourists).

      Of course, there have been normal relationships too, with decent men which I totally approve of. I’m happy for those women, because many Western men are very high quality and deserve to be treated well, especially, the Nordics.

      American feminists don’t have much to do with this as it’s a free movement of people. If people fall in love, they cannot be held apart from one another.

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    330. on March 28, 2010 at 7:19 pm PA

      I occasionally hear of a western European, American, or monied Arab being found dead with his throat cut or head trauma in an Eastern European alley, last seen drinking a lot at a disco and getting grabby with girls and mouthy with guys. I feel sooooo bad for those guys.

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    331. on March 28, 2010 at 7:21 pm Anonymous

      skadi said: This really diverts from the traditional perception that it doesn’t matter what the male looks like as long as he brings home the bacon.

      The question of Cads vs Dads… which makes me wonder.. is a hot guy automatically an alpha just because he’s hot?”

      Bingo! Given that guy a cigar and harem! Image is all. That’s how “Game” got to be what it is now (and the whole reason for Roissy’s blog). With guys who’re all flash who can’t deliver we’re just up the creek… so the rest of us guys better learn how to lie and bullsh*t our way into girls’ pants too. Of course, women like to be “taken” by a marauding jihadist bastard just as well as peacocking pretty boy who can’t fight or do sh*t, so you can see where that gets us in the long run.

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    332. on March 28, 2010 at 7:23 pm Anonymous

      …so we’d better get our heads out of our asses and put some “game” on the traditionally masculine stuff that keeps our society going and far from being punked-out by others.

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    333. on March 28, 2010 at 7:55 pm Doug1

      Skadi–

      If a guy is hot, does that automatically make him an alpha?

      Not because one girl thinks so, and less just because she says so. However if lots of hot girls (not necessarily all) tend to feel he’s hot and are actually sexually attracted to him, particularly for casual or semi casual sex, whether he acts on that nearly as much as he could or not, then yes, that makes him alpha. Lesser, full or that rare pinnacle, super alpha.

      Girls routinely ascribe to a guy’s looks how hot he is, but really they’re evaluating an overall edginess, etc. Well sometimes teenie boppers who haven’t had much or any sex don’t really know what male hotness is and will tend to overrate pretty boys.

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    334. on March 28, 2010 at 7:59 pm Jerry Ertans

      @PA You’ve mostly heard wrong and I wish you didn’t feel a dark glee about what you did hear. Almost all of the “East Europe is dangerous” material comes from the alliance of older Christian and feminist women in the US who don’t want you to go find younger women elsewhere. There also isn’t any sex trafficking. Poland and the Ukraine have the strictest laws in the world about that and US feminists are just projecting how they would be whores themselves if they were in tough times.

      I know the few stories about cold-blooded killings of American men. They didn’t deserve their fate. One jackass American in Moscow failed to pay his employees at an English school he owned because he was addicted to paying $200 for threesomes with hookers. One pair of hookers drugged his wine in his apartment and he awoke to see 4 men clearing out his apartment. One thief hit him over the head and killed him.

      His employees that he didn’t pay mourned him because he didn’t deserve that kind of punishment.

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    335. on March 28, 2010 at 8:39 pm Laura

      Jerry,
      I was a little hard on you and I’m sorry about that. I actually think a lot of the things I’ve read on this site are very true and some of it has been eye opening to me. I never really realized how much sexual freedom for women could upend the tradition of stable, long term marriages or how much resentment it could cause in men.
      I have a lot of sympathy for the men on this site that are having trouble meeting one woman. It just sounded to me like you wanted to have many beautiful young women at your beck and call and I just don’t think that is be a realistic situation for most men to expect to be in.
      I don’t think it would be a great thing for American society if large numbers of American men start going abroad to find wives. I never had any desire to go looking for a foreign husband, I prefer American men.
      As far as the aging thing goes women are kind of sensitive about it and maybe that’s why they are not always so open and honest about it. I don’t see how a women at the age of 35 could possibly believe she is as desirable as she was at say 22 years of age. I am well aware of the fact that men do not find me as attractive now and that I’m not as pretty as I was when I was younger. Even so, because it is a very hard reality for women to accept I am sure you will see some self denial of it, at least at first.

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    336. on March 28, 2010 at 11:07 pm Breeze

      @ Jerry Ertans: That study simply proves that 1 in 3 women admit to being whores with unrealistic expectations

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    337. on March 29, 2010 at 12:17 am Rum

      Laura
      Men do not need an active imagination to grasp the deep distress that women feel as they experience their demotion in the mating game from “Of course everybody wants to have sex with me” to “guys do not seem to notice me anymore”.
      Guys find it easy to imagine this kind of pain because most men nowadays spend their whole lives in the second condition. Attractive women never, ever really want them from the bloom of their youth until they age out of the market completely.
      Hardly any guy has not experienced being sexually invisible to the fair objects of desire at some point in his youth.
      I rather suddenly became visible to women when I rather suddenly started making serious amounts of money. But I did not have lust-crazed stalkers until I was forced to treat some of them like dog-shit on my shoe. A light-bulb went on in Rums brain…
      If you were a guy looking for a worthwhile relationship – like, one based on them loving you (and wanting to fuck you more than any other guy) because of your personal VIRTUES – well – experiences like that would burn that notion to the ground.

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    338. on March 29, 2010 at 12:24 am Travers

      ok.. so what city, American or otherwise, is the best for a 29 year old, tall, handsome, successful guy to tear through some twenty-somethings for a few more years, then at age 33 or 34 fine a nice 25-26 year old sweetheart to settle down with? I emphasize, Im very physically attractive and actually getting better looking as I get older (I was a late bloomer, and Im transitioning from pretty boy to handsome masculine male; Im only appear to be 26). So getting girls is pretty easy for me. Im currently in DC and its true what people say about it. Sure there is plenty of 6’s and 7’s but the really hot girls are scarce. When I visit NYC I’m blown away by the quantity of hot girls I see and feel Im missing out.

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    339. on March 29, 2010 at 12:43 am Nicole

      Bible belt, Travers…and go to a megachurch when you get there.

      Extra points if the church has one of those dieting for Jesus support groups. They’re more likely to be natural cooks, raw foodies, paleo or some other form of lifelong feasable healthy.

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    340. on March 29, 2010 at 12:55 am xsplat

      Rum

      I rather suddenly became visible to women when I rather suddenly started making serious amounts of money. But I did not have lust-crazed stalkers until I was forced to treat some of them like dog-shit on my shoe. A light-bulb went on in Rums brain…

      That’s two narratives of the same tale on this comment thread. I wonder how common that is.

      And, just like you, you go from being out of the market, to at the top of the market, to being disillusioned with women, to learning that what was before your greatest weakness (that women don’t love for love) is now your greatest strenght (because you know what they want, you can hack their system).

      Like someone else on this comment thread posted, all the guys here started out as the kindly type. Since we want sex, we learn how to get it. We’d still be the kindly type if that got us sex.

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    341. on March 29, 2010 at 2:52 am Rum

      Susan Boyle might be a brain-damaged freak, but as a brain-damaged freak she is supremely brave and can sing pretty well and has somehow, by some strange magic, gotten north of a hundred million hits on youtube.
      Somethings are not business; but personal.

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    342. on March 29, 2010 at 6:23 am DepptThought

      @on March 26, 2010 at 1:48 pm Laura
      Silver Fox,
      I don’t believe American women are overvalued. Possibly you can get someone younger and prettier in those other places you named then you can in the United States, but that could be due to the culture of equality we have here.

      Are you out of your mind…Seriosuly?

      I’m ticking through my list of girls and I can name atleast a handfull that placed a great empahsis on how “fabulous” they are. Take a look at what American women are spoon fed. They don’t need to change, they are “perfect”. It’s all falls on the man.

      http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/singles/datingtips/88959/dating-101-is-he-mr-right

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    343. on March 29, 2010 at 7:56 am Nicole

      Laura, it is naturally the men who break new ground in a gene pool. So it is actually good for a society if men go abroad to find wives, bonus if they bring them back and manage to keep them from assimilating too thoroughly.

      This option needs to be protected as a right. Unfortunately new domestic abuse laws being crossed over with immigration laws, make it hard for guys who want to marry foreign women or bring their foreign wives home. A guy is assumed to be an exploiter by default.

      Both men and women need to have the option of opting out of the local stock if they cease to embody the values that culture holds dear. To essentially force people to choose from a limited group, regardless of how they’re treated is as backwards as a religious restriction. It hits the lower status people in a society worse because it’s like forcing them to stay low status rather than going to someplace else where they have a shot at higher status…like preventing your mailroom guy from going to work as a manager at a different company because you think he should be grateful to have a position at all.

      The ability to marry out actually helps to maintain a culture’s stability. It ensures that people will be able to get a suitable partner who does what they’re supposed to.

      Many Japanese women are now looking for Korean men because they’re generally manlier. American guys are going for eastern European women (not just hot skinny blonde ones either) because they’re generally more womanly, though only one I’ve ever met is anything close to a pushover.

      The only problem I can see with it is the danger of “greencard hoes”, and guys who are down on themselves selecting the same brand of harpy they would have ended up with in their home country. Both of these can be prevented though, by alliances with men from the target country who will steer them away from the bad ones.

      Same from the female side. Many Black women in the U.S. married the wrong kind of African. Now they know to check a guy out and get to know his home culture first.

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    344. on March 29, 2010 at 9:19 am the realist

      @Deppthought

      “If and when you discover that Mr. Next is 100 percent trustworthy, you’ll have no trouble giving your heart to him. In return, he’ll most likely give you his heart and pave the way for a lasting, loving relationship to unfold.”

      This is a big mistake a lot of women are making these days. They put all the conditions on the man when in fact they have NOTHING to offer him. They are caught up on the idea of their “love” and heart how precious and valuable it is without realising that actually their pussy(unused) alone is much more valuable. A quality mind, and not neccersarily intelligence, is also desirable. READ: a woman with the intelligence, will and honour to be pumped and dumped ruthlessly before she gets to you.

      So it was their “heart” mr wrong was using all that time….There are just tonnes of “mr wrongs” out there just waiting to pounce on you for your “heart” so make sure you give to the right person….

      The fact “mr next” is even called that is pretty disturbing and right at the root of the problem. As Rum described, no one wants to be the mug who gets scraps of some used up pussy for having a bit of money, being “trustworthy”(read Beta) etc. Men don’t want women who have been educated to go out grab the nearest provider balless wonder, they want a woman who had a fucking clue in the first place. Not someone who has recently been educated in the arts of trickery and deception.

      No man should accept being a part of that “paradigm shift” that goes on in a girls head and ovaries when she decides she wants a “reliable” or “trustworthy” guy. She either wanted it from the start, or she may as well be an acting now and for the rest of her life.

      For marriage……Where the young foreign virgins at?

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    345. on March 29, 2010 at 9:20 am the realist

      READ: a woman with the intelligence, will and honour NOT to be pumped and dumped ruthlessly before she gets to you.

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    346. on March 29, 2010 at 9:34 am the realist

      Im a healthy guy i don’t need a heart transplant, and if i did i’d surely want a young fit mans heart, not the heart of an aging obese female smoker.

      The difference between used and fresh product is very clear.

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    347. on March 29, 2010 at 11:00 am Jerry Ertans

      [Possibly you can get someone younger and prettier in those other places you named then you can in the United States, but that could be due to the culture of equality we have here.]

      Proof positive that equality is completely against the interest of males…

      …at least when feminists are outrageously stupid enough to take the concept of equality and apply that to promotion of same-age dating/marriage (or say that equal pay for equal work shouldn’t take into account number of hours worked, danger level, negotiation skills, etc).

      And men as young as 24 need to know that they are already being legally considered “dirty old men” (new Florida law says the age of consent goes from 16 to 18 when a man turns 24). And most 24 year old men will know that parents and friends of American 18 year olds will often cockblock them for being old and creepy when 18 year olds in more traditional (and economically healthy) societies will gladly date and marry 24 year old men or 34+ year old men.

      Men, we are all in this together. The culture needs to be modified to account for our expectations and the Internet is helping with that.

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    348. on March 29, 2010 at 11:13 am Polymath

      Rum: Good posts — instructive personal story.

      realist: Could not agree more with “Men don’t want women who have been educated to go out grab the nearest provider…they want a woman who had a f***ing clue in the first place.” Despite the toxic pop culture, there are still millions of such women, though they’re scarce in big cities.

      Look for women who either have for some reason not been steeped and marinated in pop culture for many years, or who come from intact and strong traditional families they remain on good terms with.

      I had an interesting experience this morning. I was driving my 18-year-old daughter to the train station for her first solo trip away from home (going to visit a couple of colleges). A few weeks ago she got a ride home from a party with a young man who had been a senior when she was a sophomore, and was on a few days’ leave from his Navy ship. Because there was a fierce storm at the time, he hung out at our house until it passed, and although absolutely nothing interesting was said between them, it was obvious to me from the respect they showed each other that they were an item, which I confirmed by reading between the lines on their facebook pages. Since I approved of the young man (nice guy, solid values, good career, tech skills, reasonable looking [7 to my daughter’s 8]) I didn’t raise the issue. But I let her know this morning when the topic came up that she wasn’t fooling anyone. She was pleased and relieved I was so cool about it (the reason she had not told us yet was just embarassment because she had not dated anyone before and didn’t feel like bringing the subject up cold).

      Anyway, what impressed me is this guy was a classic beta provider type — gets some alpha cred for being in the Navy and being 2 years older, but respectful, friendly, and “nice”. Throughout HS my daughter has been unimpressed by male posturing and been a great judge of character (as I can tell by the quality of her male and female friends).

      So there are plenty of women who “had a clue in the first place”; in my daughter’s case, I attribute her good taste to the example of her family and the fact that we never had TV in our house (we had a TV to watch videos and DVDs on and play video games, but always refused to get cable or a fancy antenna).

      Of course, I will still make sure she is prepared to recognize being gamed when she goes off to college.

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    349. on March 29, 2010 at 11:22 am Jerry Ertans

      By the way, AOL is really down on males lately and I encourage anyone who still has an account to cancel. Just now read a metrosexual’s take on the Jesse James philandering. AOL needs bankruptcy.

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    350. on March 29, 2010 at 12:06 pm Laura

      Nicole,
      You make a lot of good points. The one question I have is why you would not want the wife from another country to assimilate too thoroughly. It seems that she would be much less homesick if she learns to speak the language and makes friends, etc. I can imagine it would be hard to move to a different country.
      Also, just out of interest, I really can’t think of any country where single American women can go to find a husband. Can you? I know some women do marry foreign men it just seems rare.

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    351. on March 29, 2010 at 12:15 pm PA

      I really can’t think of any country where single American women can go to find a husband.

      I’ve known a number of attractive American women who married Europeans. Two western European men (Danish and German), and a two who eastern European ones (Polish and Estonian). I also know an American girl dating a Finnish guy.

      That’s assuming we’re talking marriage, and not “cougar-the-green-card-for-exotic-young-buck.”

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    352. on March 29, 2010 at 12:18 pm Laura

      Realist,
      In your opinion, was there ever a time in recent history when British women would have been good marriage material? I read British papers often and I have noticed that there does seem to be quite a bit of anger from British men directed at British women.

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    353. on March 29, 2010 at 3:35 pm Laura

      Rum,
      I think you’re right. Being an older women you probably get about the same treatment that men have always had. Being a girl stops being so much fun around age 30 or so.

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    354. on March 29, 2010 at 3:44 pm xsplat

      Younger western females can get a glimpse of the treatment their in for by visiting Asia.

      Suddenly their cachet is lost. Where is their group power? Their pussy power? Their competitive edge?

      Even hot western girls become invisible in Asia. Who wants to both with them?

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    355. on March 29, 2010 at 3:44 pm xsplat

      Younger western females can get a glimpse of the treatment their in for by visiting Asia.

      Suddenly their cachet is lost. Where is their group power? Their pussy power? Their competitive edge?

      Even hot western girls become invisible in Asia. Who wants to bother with them?

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    356. on March 29, 2010 at 3:46 pm xsplat

      Once you go yellow, there is no turning back. I’ve heard this over and over. I’ve never once heard a preference for western women. I’ve read hundreds, no thousands upon thousands of posts and articles and comments by expats. Not a one paints western women in a positive light.

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    357. on March 29, 2010 at 5:47 pm Nicole

      Laura, the reason a guy shouldn’t want the woman to assimilate too deeply is because she may become like the very women he married out and/or expatriated to get away from.

      I learned the assimilation lesson the hard way with my current “bottom bitch”. Four years ago, I lost him partly because I made too many adjustments for cultural differences that don’t really exist between natural people.

      We all live under the same sky, and are all going to die someday. Men are men and women are women the world over. So the one to take instruction from, if he brings you into a new culture is your man, not the folks you see around.

      If he preferred the local women, he’d be with one of them. So if you got him and he likes you with a bone in your nose and a grass skirt, then don’t let the surrounding women convince you to give up your culture to be more like them.

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    358. on March 29, 2010 at 5:57 pm Tupac Chopra

      Skadi:

      Where is this misandry? The man still own most of the wealth. The richest people are all men.

      Apex fallacy.

      Feminists compare their lives to only the most *visible* and *powerful* men, and finding themselves lacking, consider it as evidence of “oppression” by this upper slice of the hierarchy. At the same time feminists are deaf and blind to the the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the other 80% of men who languish in obscurity. Yep, “all men” have it better than you.

      Paging Dr. Novaseeker…paging Dr. Novaseeker…

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    359. on March 29, 2010 at 10:02 pm Princess Rita

      @ The Realist

      “For marriage……Where the young foreign virgins at?”

      Duh! They’re getting pumped and dumped by Roissy and Friends.

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    360. on March 29, 2010 at 10:10 pm Anonymous

      Women want the image (’cause that’s what gets shallow human emotional reasoning going) but the real thing is too much work (a drag, not “a lot of fun”)… until they realize the difference, which is often too late.

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    361. on March 30, 2010 at 1:49 am Nicole

      Anonymous, this is an issue as old as civilization itself. In west Africa, there are even old legends about these sides of female psychology.

      The best story I can think of is the story of Chango, and his three wives Oba, Oshun, and Oya.

      Oba was the dutiful wife who gave up her beauty because she thought her sacrifice would please her man.

      Oshun was the beautiful but calculating hottie who tricked Oba into it. The drama between her and Oba was epic.

      Oya was the all-around emotional and fit balance who Chango ended up loving the most.

      Y’all should read up on Chango. He was like the original Alpha male of the marrying sort. Elegua (Legba) was more the player sort, but interestingly, he is believed to be the gatekeeper between the spirit and physical realm.

      There’s some interesting symbolism there.

      …but what’s interesting is that Oshun has, for many centuries, remained more popular among women than either Oba or Oya. You’d think, especially in an era wherein women are supposed to strive to have it all, that Oya would get more love, but this is not the case.

      Rather than striving to have more loyalty or endurance and ability to sacrifice and be more practically fit, heaps more offerings and requests fall to the feet of the Orisha in charge of beauty and seduction. Not the supplicating one…and not the “got your back boo” one…the pretty one.

      Even more interesting is that out in the diaspora, sometimes Oshun is said to be the wife of Legba. I wonder what that means.

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    362. on March 30, 2010 at 11:53 am Keith

      “I wasn’t convinced, though, because I thought Malloy’s premise was faulty. ”

      And you ignored the empirical evidence he offered that backed his premise and cast doubt onto yours.

      That’s why you’re not very good at this.

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    363. on March 30, 2010 at 4:35 pm Doug1

      Skadi

      Let’s not impose all that rape fantasy myth again!

      Why not?

      Particularly since it’s not remotely a myth. As psychologists have repeatedly shown through surveys and other methods, rape fantasies are most definitely prevalent in women, however much feminists hate that, argue against it, and deny, deny, deny.

      Romance novels, which are the most popular form of fiction read by women, indicate the same thing. Female rape fantasies all over the place.

      Far more than men have them btw.

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    364. on April 26, 2010 at 12:14 pm Sex Ratio, Redux « Citizen Renegade

      […] theories (an elite audience, I’m sure), Jason Malloy sent me an email responding to my ‘Sausage Fest‘ post, and responding indirectly to Peter Frost whose quote I used in that post: […]

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