I wander the scorched wastelands of the human psyche, explore the depths of the musty ideologies hidden within, and drag them kicking and screaming to the oasis of cleansing truth so that you may be entertained from the comfort of your Barcalounger. My crusade over the past three years finding and eviscerating the hated enemies of beauty and truth has finally brought me face to face with perhaps the most execrable creature to stalk the consciousness of the Holy Hedonist Empire.
I hesitate to write this post because the horror you will find within is nearly beyond comprehension. I risk credibility if it turns out the entire article was a put-on, an act to stimulate an immunological response from a healthy psyche. I accept that risk, because the greater risk is in allowing a genuine abomination to go unridiculed.
From a Washington City Paper interview (hat tip: reader Mike), pay your shilling and enter the tent to feast your eyes upon Jaclyn Friedman, AKA “Fucking While Feminist”:
Jaclyn Friedman is, in short, a feminist rock star. She is the executive director of WAM!: Women, Action & the Media. She edited the incredible Yes Means Yes!: Visions of Female Sexual Power and a World Without Rape, and continues the work of dismantling rape culture in her weekly pro-sex column. She writes as compellingly about taking off her shirt for fun as she does her college sexual assault. And she has been fucking under these conditions for nearly 20 years.
What is the difference between sex with a pro-sex feminist and sex with a pro-sex normal woman? Earplugs.
Fucking while feminist presents a peculiar set of challenges for the pro-sex single. How do you talk rape culture on a first date while still managing to get laid once in a while? How do you find the feminist guy who won’t self-flagellate to the point of unfuckability? How do you avoid dying alone, basically?
I’ll answer those questions for the City Paper interviewer.
“How do you talk rape culture on a first date while still managing to get laid once in a while?”
You don’t if you want to date men who aren’t afraid of their own penises.
“How do you find the feminist guy who won’t self-flagellate to the point of unfuckability?”
Such a man doesn’t exist. If he does, he is lying to you. Or gay.
“How do you avoid dying alone, basically?”
Cat cryogenics.
J[aclyn] F[riedman]: The way I hope it will work is that they ask these initial questions [about my rape culture books] before we meet in person. So then they can go offline and collect their thoughts and then respond to me. My profile says I’m a feminist. So a lot of people who would be really scared off by me, we don’t get very far. When the whole Polanski thing was going down, I had this big argument with a guy about Polanski. First date. And last one.
No surprise there. Though I can only read her words, I can vicariously hear her grating voice plucking out my ear hairs one by one, slowly to maximize the pain. Could you imagine going on a date with this shrike? She’s already arguing with you before the first round is ordered. If I get into *one* big argument with a chick within the first three months of dating her, I seriously consider dumping her. But a big argument on the first date is a giant red flag that proudly proclaims “Kneel before my mighty shit test, and pass or be emasculated by the swinging of my serrated clit dick!” Some shit tests are not worth passing. Sometimes it’s just an ugly, gnarled soul staring daggers of challenge at you from across the table.
Do you have any feminist litmus tests?
JF: I would like for there to be a set of feminist litmus tests that I could reference and use to find the right guy. Right now, I feel like I’m in an endless cycle of asking myself, “Am I willing to let this slide?” I’m mostly dating guys right now, which is fairly new for me. From my early 20s to my mid-30s I dated exclusively women and trans men.
Ah, so she’s in her late 30s or 40s now. That would explain the sudden biological urge to merge with sperm-manufacturing normal men. Experimentation is all fun and games until your subjects stop finding you a worthwhile lay.
I’m not romanticizing that, like “it’s so much easier with women”—let me tell you, it’s not. But it’s a different set of questions you have to ask. I don’t feel like I can go in to these dates expecting dudes to know as much about feminism or sexuality studies or rape culture [i.e., lies], the stuff that I live my life talking about and thinking about. I feel like I’m going to die alone if I do that.
Will your slavish adherence to your comforting lies have been worth it?
Here is what’s depressing about dating while feminist. Feminism is what I do with my life, it’s how I spend my days, it’s my job, it’s not just an opinion I have among many other opinions.
The most dogmatic ideologues are always running on the righteous fury of their opinions. They have to, because one stop to take a breath could mean the entire edifice of lies crumbles down on them from forward momentum. They secretly suspect, late at night when the terrifying silence leaves them alone with their innermost thoughts, that everything they believe is a lie. And so they shout hate and fear at the heart of the world. Imagine waking up one day to realize your entire life was a farce? And a deadly farce at that; one which withheld from you some of the greatest joys of life.
If I had a hardcore litmus test, the pool of men I could date would be so tiny.
I’ve got news for you, my cougar child. It’s getting tiny regardless of any litmus test you might impose. Which, ironically, will cause you to impose ever stricter litmus tests. The bruised ego drinks deeply from the chalice of the sour grapewine.
And then when you weeded out men who are gay, the men I don’t find attractive, the men already in monogamous, committed relationships—really, I would never get laid again. So I do feel that I have to try to be flexible out of necessity.
Older women either stiffen into celibacy or become Yogic masters of dating flexibility. As “Feminist While Fucking” seems to possess a man’s libido, she has opted to accept the dreary fact that her waning sexual market value places constraints on what she can, and can no longer, demand from the men she dates.
But if I were to end up with someone—and I do want a long-term, stable relationship with someone at some point—they would have to be feminist on some basic level. They would have to be.
Hey, betas, guess what! You now have your shot at tasting the curdled nectar of an aging radical feminist who has spent her prime years servicing a battalion of men, women, and transsexuals. All you need to do is nod in agreement when she discusses the finer points of the imaginary gender wage gap. Sound like a good deal? And turn off that sexbot when I’m talking to you.
Right now my basic litmus test is this: Is he interested in feminist issues when I bring them up?
Sure. I’ve noticed feminists are quicker to jump into bed than non-feminists.
And can he talk about them in ways that express curiosity and engagement and respect, instead of defensiveness or dismissiveness or attachment to stereotypes?
Feminists have hairy armpits and daddy issues.
If we can talk about this stuff in ways that are interesting and productive, I can work with it most of the time.
A good marriage will have a higher status husband and a better looking wife. Discuss.
[T]he only cisgender man I’ve been in a longterm relationship was a feminist when I met him. We would have feminism arguments where I was educated by him, and vice versa. And I thought, well, how lucky I am to have found a feminist guy! And he ended up being an ass . . . in somewhat unrelated ways.
Disturbed hardcore feminists are attracted to assholes, too. Red alert on Drudge.
Is there anything that men can mention in their dating profiles that tips you off to feminist compatibility?
JF: Well, this is my test: When I look at personal ads, I look at their lists of favorite books, movies, and music, and they have to list women in all of those categories.
Ok, here goes.
Favorite books: Anything by Stephenie Meyer
Favorite movies: Anything by Leni Riefenstahl
Favorite music: T.A.T.U.
Heh.
I also don’t respond to any guy who says they’re looking for a woman who “doesn’t have drama,” not because I have a lot of drama, but because I feel like that is code for women who have opinions.
This is super double secret code for “I will blab endlessly about utter bullshit while you sit and listen with the patience of a saint”.
. . I also have a couple things in my profile that are screeners, that I’m hoping will turn off people I don’t want to be bothered by. I mention feminism. I say I’m a size 16. But I do it all in a flirty way, like, ’size 16 can be sexy,” not in a way that says, “I AM ALL THESE THINGS. DEAL WITH IT.”
Proud feminist, aging spinster, fatty. What’s not to love? Rhetorical.
PS: Size sixteen cannot be sexy. Saying so won’t change the fact that the vast majority of men, particularly desirable men who don’t need to lie to get sex, are repulsed by the rolls of blubber you refer to as “curves”.
So when you tell people that you’re a feminist, do they have assumptions about what the sex is going to be like?
JF: A couple of guys were shocked that I like to play various games in bed, because I’m a feminist. That’s always really interesting to me. I’m always like, ‘Are you kidding me? The feminists I know are the craziest women in bed you can find!”
There’s gotta be an iron law of the land that states the less desirable the woman, the kinkier she is in bed. Compensation in da houze!
So do you meet guys who pass the feminist test but then turn out to be disappointments for other reasons?
JF: Oh God. There is a type of feminist guy who is so eager to fall over himself to be deferential to women and to prove his feminist bona fides and flagellate himself in front of you, to the point that it really turns me off. And it makes me sad, because politically, these are the guys that I should be sleeping with! You know what I’m talking about?
Color me unsurprised that a woman’s gina tingle doesn’t oscillate to a man’s political beliefs.
They haven’t internalized their feminism, so it’s always being externalized. And it places a lot of pressure on the women they’re with. There’s this very self-conscious performance of feminism. And it does sometimes feel like they want a cookie. . . . OK, I know this is such a delicate conversation to have, but I want those guys to wake up because those are the guys I want to want to sleep with!
You want to want to sleep with men but your abrasive, unfeminine personality attracts eunuchs. Clever eunuchs who tell you what you want to hear in hopes of getting in your XL pants, but eunuchs nonetheless.
I sort of feel that I get cast in these dudes’ narratives as the Hellcat Dream Girl, there to prove how bad-ass they are because they’re dating such a bad-ass woman. They think it’s cute or sexy. But when I use that smart, outspoken bad-assery to challenge their own perspectives, it’s suddenly not sexy at all.
No shit it’s not sexy. What man worth his stones wants to spend time with a woman always pitched in heated battle against every perceived slight to her worldview? Especially when her perspective is a mountain of lies. Men get enough of that from other men. The point of women is that they aren’t men. But maybe we are entering an era of manjaws and art fags.
I feel like the same thing happened with the guy I dated for two years. He liked the idea of being a guy who would be with someone like me, but ultimately it turned out that he wanted someone who wouldn’t challenge him as much, a person who was easier and quicker to sweep away. I got evidence of that when, within three months of breaking up with me, he was dating a 23 year old who lists her political views on Facebook as “moderate.”
😆
I hope this field guide to Americanus afeminoxious was as unpleasant for you as it was for me. But really, there was nothing new here. Guests of the Chateau have all seen these creatures before, in special holding cells, their cries of torment under the lashings of my bulldykewhip striking a dulcet note on weary ears.
The more interesting question is what kind of man would so debase himself to willingly spend time in such a woman’s company? To suffer the tortures of the damned, his ears ringing with the demonic cacophony of femicunt war shrieks? To betray the last, good measure of his manly essence for a pittance of overripe pussy? What kind of man, indeed?


Great, a fat, aging Feminazi whore. Who wouldn’t want to jump on that?
I am unable to contain my derisive laughter when she brings them up. D’oh, FAIL!
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A bang-up demolition job as usual, R.
Back in her day, JF wasn’t terrible looking. Around a 5 or 6:
But here she is today:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3196406985_5ca03e3de3.jpg?v=0
Take it away, boys.
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Anyone who’s ideology is so central to their personality and being is just a corrupt and horrible human being. Especially when the ideology in question is this fucking retarded. Seriously who the fuck would bring this shit up on a date?
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Yeah, that’s brutal. It’s as if the next generation of feminists needs to be worse than the previous generation to get the same shock value.
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omg llzozlzl!
roissy i love you!! haha
aweosme post!!
there is absolutely no reason for a man to ever look at a woman over 25 years old.
sure she might be fertile until she’s 30 or so, but that’s five more years of her taking cocks in her anus, and i got an honorary degree at an ivy league institutionm for my work on showing how each cock in a woman’s ass takes away a bit fo her soul which me measured scientifically.
think about it fellas.
would you want to marry a 20 year old who is embarrassed and ashamed that she once hooked up, or a 30 year old who has “had her fun” with an army of cocks violating every orifice except her left nostril, with poop and cum driping off her chin as she sends the kids (which she didn’t abort bevccause she knows they are not yours the beta malkes) off to shcool?
verily i say unto you, women choose their fate.
those who choose to be loyal to ben bernanke and his fiat bankers who funded the feminist movement and inspire beta-male harems by handing out fiat dollars to women to desecrate and dumb down the universe–they mean naught to me. lozzlzlzl!!
all the slutty lawyers
all tyeh feminist lit majors
all teh psyche majors
all teh women’s studies majors
all teh affirmative actin engineering chix who suck at building bridges
all teh big sis government types
all the women outnumbering men
in college
in teh workforce
as ameirca goes bankrupt because chix create debt and not welath
stamping tehir little feet, cretaingd ebt
shouting slogans, cretaing debt
bitchin and complainiing cretaing debt
the fita masters use womn
to transfer bilions to tehmselves
putting women on pedestals
to tempt and take
desouling them with cocks in theri ansus form charlotte allen’s hero tucker max the heroic alpha-mal taper of butthex without the girls consetnt
teh dying churches which condone sluttery and anal butthes lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl pissing and shitting on moses and jesus from the pubic pulpit
all of teh above were funded by fiat dollars which funded the feminist movement, desouled women, and sent them forth to transfer welath from honest, ruged, hard working man to the fiat banksters lzozlzlzlzlzlzl!!!
via divorce and debaucher, via voting for bigger government at every turn, via bowing before fiat dollars
and working
for fiat doallrs instead of fiath and the family..
and then neocon charlotte allen repeat’s secterive buttext taper tucker max’s lies in teh weekly standard, saying and lying that he is six feet tall and a successfull filmmaker (lost over $10,000,000 on a $12,000,000 budget) because charlotte alen’s gina tingles when she reads about a man who videotapes anal sex with girls without the girls consent and that is the new neocn conservatism when the alpha males are not the true heroes dying on foreign shores in foreign wars but the ones tapiong anal sex without the girls which is why candace allen exalts tucker max in the pages of the weekly standard and calls fat chix hot instead of saluting true heroes like cpl. jason l. dunham who are dying in teh neocons’ wars. lzozlzlzl!
lzozlzlzllz!
neocn butthex rulalalazzz!!! lozzlzllzzl
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Is that her? I expected her adam’s apple to be bigger. Like the size of an actual apple
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I’ve never just walked out on a chick on a first date before, but then I’ve never dated a feminist. If a chick started to bring up crazy world views and annoying shit like this on a first date, I would definitely leave her ass with the bill and disappear.
Sounds like she’s fat, old, full of drama, and a slut who used to fuck trans-gendered men. At this point who would even want to bother sticking their penis in there?
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When will the “Test of your Game” articles be answered? There are some that date back to December that have gone unanswered.
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There’s ordinary delusion, and then there’s being so deluded and twisted that half of what you say makes no sense. I read this the other day — or tried to, anyway; it’s almost like translating from a foreign language. It was worth it, though, to see her admit that she tingles for exactly the kind of men she filters out. Also a good chuckle that a woman nearing 40 is still saying she wants an LTR “at some point.”
Speaking of litmus tests, here’s a good one: If she knows what “cisgender” means, move along.
Roissy, you need to check out this article on cougars at Cracked. http://www.cracked.com/funny-4222-dating-older-women/ Someone there has taken the red pill:
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Foolishly I checked up on this harpy through Google Images.
One word: moo.
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You boys have to rely on ‘game’ to bully, lie and trick women into sleeping with and/or dating you. You need a website to teach you how to be ‘alpha’ when clearly someone who truly was so wouldn’t NEED teaching.Yes, I know that feminists scare you. I know that intelligent women intimidate you, and that you need ‘game’ because left to your own devices you’ve failed utterly at dating. I get it, I do. Your own failure has made you bitter, and the only way you can get laid is by picking up emotionally damaged women and convincing them that either they are somehow ‘lesser’ and you are ‘more’. Any idea how pathetic that is?
Reading this attempt to tear down such an awesome woman as Jaclyn nearly made me pee myself, I was laughing so hard at you all. Except that then it hit me that you are exactly the people running around raping young girls and then denying that rape culture exists.
I just hope that none of you ever father children, because I dread to think what any daughter of yours would suffer growing up with a dad who refuses to value women.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
at the picture at the end. I remember him he was one of the Beta Of The Month idiots.
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Do you know what\’s funny?
Those two (valenti and her husband) probably earn at least 5 times more than you.
Your lifestyle choice has allowed you to bang the occasional girl that you meet at some crap bar.
Their lifestyle choice and world views have given them economic freedom and the ability to control their futures.
Alphas in the wild are the ones who get first dibs at survival resources. Seems to me that what they have (money, power, and fame) makes them much more alpha than you.
Face it, they have a higher status and value than you do.
You can escalate kino and neg all you want, but in the grand scheme of things – it doesn\’t mean shit.
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Feminazi: just ask yourself, what kind of a woman is more likely to attract and keep the most desirable men: a strident, promiscuous, ageing, chunky professional feminist, or a cute, pleasant, young and sexually demure waitress or schoolteacher? What more needs to be said?
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verily i say unto you, women choose their fate.
Or as John Travolta’s character said in “Saturday Night Fever” to a girl whose fate hung in balance:
“It’s a decision a girl’s gotta make early in life, if she’s gonna be a nice girl or a c_nt.”
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The Spearhead article from the other day nailed it. Guys went for her, but found her constant griping and polital advocacy grating to say the least, learned their lesson, and subsequently date politically moderate women thereafter. Is it really that surprising?
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@ PA
I suspect it depends on your definition of ‘desireable’. In my experience, if you ‘attract’ a man (or woman, or anyone) based on the fact that you are young, cute etc then you won’t get to ‘keep’ them anyway. As soon as you stop being young, someone ‘cuter’ comes along or whatever and he’ll be off in a minute. So if you want a lasting relationship, building one based on physical attraction alone will never work.
None of the feminists I know have had issues attracting partners, few of them have had issues maintaining longlived relationships if that’s what they wanted. I know many more young, cute, ‘pleasant’ girls who have wound up in their thirties alone and depressed because the men who adored them so much ten years previously have predictably run off with someone younger.
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1. Woman in question adheres to a philosophy that ostracizes [a certain subset of] men.
2. Woman in question laments the fact that she can’t make it work with someone from aforementioned subset of men.
3. Woman in question is apparently incapable of grasping the fact that points 1 and 2 are mutually exclusive.
So we can boil this away to her wanting to have her cake and eat it too. Nothing new to see here, folks.
Roissy, I have a topic for you if you’re game: when confronted with question of what women want, the correct answer is absolution from the sin of making bad choices. Discuss.
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“What man worth his stones wants to spend time with a woman always pitched in heated battle against every perceived slight to her worldview? Especially when her perspective is a mountain of lies. Men get enough of that from other men.”
Exactly. That’s why I come here.
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@ Feminazi
It’s worth pointing that although Feminazi clearly despises Game, nowhere in her tirade does she dispute it’s efficacy.
Discuss.
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“None of the feminists I know have had issues attracting partners, few of them have had issues maintaining longlived relationships if that’s what they wanted. I know many more young, cute, ‘pleasant’ girls who have wound up in their thirties alone and depressed because the men who adored them so much ten years previously have predictably run off with someone younger.”
All the more reason that women should be having children during their prime years of fertility/beauty; its the only way to maintain the attentions of successful males once their looks go.
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Brilliant!!
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@ Roissy
I get why you put the disclaimer at the start, it’s too good(i mean bad, REALLY FUCKING BAD) to be true, im not sure you could have written a better parody of what a man really doesn’t want.
All bases covered here.
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Roissy:
A dulcet note, or a dolcett note? A pretty bad-ass reference, if intentional…
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@Dragnet
You are indeed correct, I didn’t claim that ‘Game’ never works. I wish dearly that it didn’t, but it turns out that picking up young, insecure girls and then making them feel even more insecure is a tried and tested method. It’s also disgusting and something no decent person would do, at least not if they understood that is what they were doing.
Interestingly of course, many of the latest generation of feminists have become interested in the cause after twigging what ‘game’ is and how it works.
‘Game’ encourages women to turn to feminism. Discuss. 😉
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Fat, ugly, past her prime, opinionated, loud-mouthed, vulgar, promiscuous, demanding and picky–what’s not to like?
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“Feminazi: just ask yourself, what kind of a woman is more likely to attract and keep the most desirable men: a strident, promiscuous, ageing, chunky professional feminist, or a cute, pleasant, young and sexually demure waitress or schoolteacher? What more needs to be said?”
You forgot to mention, the chunky professional feminist accused a regular sex partner of rape for making the mistake of having sex with her after some drinks (never mind that she raped him by that same theory).
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So if she slept with a transgendered male does that mean she had lesbian sex with a guy that has become a ‘woman’ or hetero sex with a bull-dyke that had a pseudo-phallus sewn on? And WTF is cisgendered? Is that academia speak for chubby-chaser?
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@nycbachelor
Really? You think women should have babies just to keep their men around? That doesn’t seem to have worked out too well for most of the young mothers I know…
If you want children (and not all women do, some that do can’t for one reason or another) and are able to have them, then waiting until you are pretty damn sure you can afford to look after them yourself when/if your man runs off with someone else/the relationship fails/the father turns out to be violent and/or a drunk/he dies/whatever just seems responsible. Again, in my experience the woman who gets pregnant to keep her man around loses him anyway, after years of being shouted at for ‘trapping’ him.
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Oh, they already have that, through the magickery of self-absolution.
“If you were any kind of a man you wouldn’t have let me do that!”
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” It’s also disgusting and something no decent person would do, at least not if they understood that is what they were doing. ”
Right, a really decent and admirable person would have sex with someone multiple times and then publicly accuse him of rape because one of those times they both happened to be drunk. Now, there’s a gal with whom every guy should be anxious to strike up a relationship.
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This post was like watching Barry Bonds hit a homerun in his prime
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I suspect it depends on your definition of ‘desireable’.
Your definition is fine. Go ahead and continue with my thought experiment.
In my experience, if you ‘attract’ a man (or woman, or anyone) based on the fact that you are young, cute etc then you won’t get to ‘keep’ them anyway.
Cuteness attracts a man. Other qualities keep him. Being strident, slutty, and anything resembling Jacklyn Friedman is not among those qualities. Friedman is single, isn’t she?
As soon as you stop being young, someone ‘cuter’ comes along or whatever and he’ll be off in a minute.
85% of divorces in the US are initiated by women.
So if you want a lasting relationship, building one based on physical attraction alone will never work.
My hypothetical waitress/schoolteacher is more likely to have teh kind of qualities that keep a man (loyalty, integrity, a giving personality, supportive attitude) than Jacklyn Friedman.
None of the feminists I know […] have had issues maintaining longlived relationships if that’s what they wanted.
Are any of them over 30? Are they real feminists of just average girls who parrot some feminist truisms because that’s what college and TV told them to do?
I know many more young, cute, ‘pleasant’ girls who have wound up in their thirties alone and depressed because the men who adored them so much ten years previously have predictably run off with someone younger.
Those girls misjudged the men they thought they wanted. One of feminism’s gifts to women is robbing them of proper judgement with regards to men and filling them with expectations of being young and attractive forever.
Like Carrie counseled, party thorugh your 20s and at forty you’ll snag Mr. Big.
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“And WTF is cisgendered?”
Believe it or not, I think it just means a normal, straight guy (i.e., one who is niether gay nor wanting to cut off his dick and take hormones). They actually felt like they had to come up with an academic sounding term for it to make transgenders, transexuals and homosexuals feel like they are on equal footing.
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@ Feminazi
I believe you have an extremely limited understanding of what “Game” is and exactly who is susceptible to it. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the only blog in the so-called Gameosphere you’ve been to. However, I can assure you that the applications of Game are as myriad as the number of grains of sand upon the seashore, and that it’s prinicples can be effectively deployed with any woman.
I don’t mind you opining on Game—but you must educate yourself as to what it is precisely. You can start with the reading material Roissy listed in this post:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/game-resources/
It makes no sense for me to argue with someone who clearly has no idea what they are talking about. When you educated yourself a bit, then we can go at it.
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@ Anon
‘Right, a really decent and admirable person would have sex with someone multiple times and then publicly accuse him of rape because one of those times they both happened to be drunk. Now, there’s a gal with whom every guy should be anxious to strike up a relationship.’
I pointed out that a certain type of behaviour wasn’t something a decent person would engage in. You respond by pointing out another type of negative behaviour, as if they are the only two ways to behave in the world. I have news for you, there are many ways to act. It is possible to date without either falsely crying rape (and I will take your word for it that this is what happened in the example you gave, as I don’t have any information about that specific example) OR playing on a persons insecurities, lying, bullying and manipulating. Crazy I know, but it turns out that it’s actually possible to be involved in a relationship with someone (casual or serious, fleeting or long term) where all people involved are honest, caring and respectful of each other. Fact.
For what it’s worth, I have had to help support a friend after he was accused of raping a girl that he didn’t. It’s shit, I grant you. I only know personally of one case where that has happened however (though obviously I know there are other cases, just not ones I have direct experience of). I know of many many cases of actual rape though, so I tend to think that’s the bigger problem which needs to be dealt with.
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Jessica Valenti is hot.
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Ya, the politics of equality requires some extreme social engineering Orwellian PC Speak.
My favorite word that the femtards use is equality. How on earth did I miss how stupid that was, growing up? How on earth did I buy into it?
As the German Ministry of Propoganda cleverly noticed, lie about exactly what it is that is false, and lie often about it. War is peace, and all that. It’s an actual propoganda strategy! Just make the most blatant and obvious lie, over and over again, and people will stop even noticing that it’s a lie.
Equality!
God, we were stupid.
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“Yogic masters of dating flexibility.”
Brilliant!
Namaste
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Feminazi,
Screw Dragnet and his fuckin’ stupid advice. Go read actual evo-psych academic articles, instead of bullshit books put out by hucksters trying to make money off of losers.
Really, why would I read evo-psych as interpreted by a docuhe in a top hat and eyeliner, instead of just reading the fucking actual scholarly literature?
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I did find it sort of interesting that she spent an evening drinking with a bunch of college sport team guys (presumably at least a little bit ‘male’ guys) to prove she could keep up with the guys, and ended up in bed with one of them, which set her on this goofy life course.
All she needed to have done is maybe listen to grandma – you’re not a man, they are different than you, don’t try to act like one, and don’t do really stupid things with them so as to leave you (and them) judgment inpaired and you vulnerable.
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I enjoyed this line in response to the question
Q: “Is there anything that men can mention in their dating profiles that tips you off to feminist compatibility?”
“I do draw the line at Ayn Rand. ”
I’ve always thought we could cure a lot of loneliness in the world by arranging marriages between feminists and Randroids.
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And yet, there’s Jacklyn Friedman, a cougar whose snatch has been fisted out so many times in her twenties that all the kegel exercises in the world can’t get her to grip anything except for the bulbous head of a hitachi magic wand which she shoves into herself while crying into her Cheetos as her cat looks on.
And then there’s Jessica Valenti, an attractive 34 year old woman who (wisely) settled for the best she could get, a second-rate, ugly, weak-jawed, ginger goober way below what her market value would have snatched just four years earlier.
There’s BitingBeaver, the cougar feminist single mom who wishes she’d aborted her son because she’d found out he’d looked at porn, and misses her ex-husband and his fondness for nipple clamps.
Read any blog by a feminist over age 35. It’s all the same. Successful relationships my balls. Nice caveat, there, by the way, with the “if that’s what they wanted.” And I suppose that any woman who ends up 40 and alone with her cats was empowered to want that result?
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“You boys have to rely on ‘game’ to bully, lie and trick women into sleeping with and/or dating you.”
Bully, lie and trick? Well if that’s what you call it, then that is how it is. However, remember men respond to what girls want. Men want sex. Girls want a lot of other stuff that is irrelevant. Men get that stuff to get sex. It is a simple equation.
But let me romanticize it for you even though I am repulsed by justifying it this way…
“Understand us betas are very unsuccessful with women. If learning to be alpha could increases are chances of meeting that special someone and lasting a long time, I’m willing to learn how to game. I only want to please my woman and if learning game shows results of a happier relationship well as much as I don’t like commanding her into a position (because I do enjoy being submissive to her) I guess I must. Surely you understand a hopeless romantic like me?”
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@ Keith
Because we’re discussing Game, not evo psych. Sure—Game is based on it, but they aren’t the same thing. Of course, I recommend reading the scholarly articles, too. But if we’re going to discuss Game, then she’s going to need to find out exactly what it is. Published evo psych white papers simply won’t give you that.
Now fuck off.
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@PA
‘Cuteness attracts a man. Other qualities keep him. Being strident, slutty, and anything resembling Jacklyn Friedman is not among those qualities. Friedman is single, isn’t she?’
Apparently so, but she’s also only one woman. Not much of a test sample I’m afraid. Particularly when you are only offering a hypothetical ‘type’ of woman who attracts and keeps a man to compare her too.
‘85% of divorces in the US are initiated by women.’
Yep. These days thankfully a woman doesn’t feel she has to stay in a relationship with a man that doesn’t satisfy her. It is true that most divorces are initiated by women. It’s also true that men are much much more likely to cheat in a relationship than a woman with, so does that really surprise you? Why exactly should she stay in a relationship with someone who disrespects her like that?
‘My hypothetical waitress/schoolteacher is more likely to have teh kind of qualities that keep a man (loyalty, integrity, a giving personality, supportive attitude) than Jacklyn Friedman.’
You have yet to offer any evidence that this is true and not simply a matter of your opinion.
‘Are any of them over 30? Are they real feminists of just average girls who parrot some feminist truisms because that’s what college and TV told them to do?’
I know a wide range of feminists. Many of them are twenty somethings fresh out of Uni I grant you. Most of them however are in their thirties or older. The oldest of them never married (she doesn’t believe marriage and feminism work well together) but has two grown up kids with her male partner of 30 years. The youngest is just 21.
‘Those girls misjudged the men they thought they wanted. One of feminism’s gifts to women is robbing them of proper judgement with regards to men and filling them with expectations of being young and attractive forever.’
We clearly have a very different idea of what feminism is and what it has taught women. Those girls did misjude the men they married it’s true. I don’t think that has anything to do with feminism though and more to do with the male perpetuated myth that their looks and ability to carry children is what makes them worth while.
‘Like Carrie counseled, party thorugh your 20s and at forty you’ll snag Mr. Big.’
I’m not sure what purpose there is in referencing SATC, sure it’s enjoyable fluff but if you really think feminism is all about snagging a man and shoes, you have been sadly misinformed…
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Nowhere in this idiot’a post does she make a case for what she actually offers a man in return. Just a list of demands like any other non feminist moron. She is exactly the same as any other fat, aging woman…trying to bend the world to her needs instead of changing herself to find a mate.
Its the rigidness and lack of humility that makes her so unattractive. You could replace feminism with any ism and it would be just as repulsive to any sane man.
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@ Dragnet.
I’ll do some reading up on Game. You do some reading up on Feminism. Then we can have a reasoned debate. Chances are it won’t change either of our minds, but I do enjoy a good discussion and what better way to inform your views and opinions than by testing them, looking at other perspective and so forth?
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Feminazi, at first I thought you were another troll – a poster pretending to be a persona, in order to rile up the other commenters. You seemed such an obvious parody of your name.
But sadly, and still shocking even to my jaded eyes, you are not. You are sincerely as self deluded as your namesake.
It’s sad, and I don’t mean that in an insulting way. I mean, it really is sad that humans – especially females – are so painfully bad at thinking clearly. Causes a lot of needless pain.
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Ah yes, the predictable feminist riposte; women file for divorce but it’s the men’s fault. Except you modified it slightly by not throwing the “But 75% of those abused are women” math voodoo which implies (for the math-stupid) that all women who divorce have been abused. You used cheating instead.
Here’s something interesting:
“Fifty United Kingdom divorce lawyers were asked to name the most common causes of their cases in 2003. Of those who cited extramarital affairs, 55% said it was usually the husbands and 45% said that it was the wives who cheated.[9]”
You hit it right on the head in the first sentence. Women quit marriages because they’re bored, and there’s a financial advantage for them ’cause they keep the family home and collect child support. And who do they leave because they’re bored? Ordinary, non abusive, non cheating run of the mill men? Yeah.
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if you really think feminism is all about snagging a man and shoes, you have been sadly misinformed
I have to concede that you have a point. That’s not what feminism is about. However, you too are sadly misinformed about what feminism is. Get ready for this — feminism is essentially a lesbian liberation ideology.
Many straight women identify with feminism, but they do not think deeply about it or believe its tenets. They do so because superficially identifying with feminism and other marxist-derived left wing ideologies is a status marker of a certain slice of the American population. That is all.
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I’m dragging this over from the-spearhead forum from 21guns
They were talking about how women never mature, so it’s basically fine to have sex with 15 year olds as all women are forever 15 year olds. Hard to argue with that, really.
Seriously Feminazi, it’s impossible to dialogue with you, as your thinking process just doesn’t support logic. At all. We could try, but we all know it would be completely pointless.
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@Xsplat
I’m sad that you are sad for me. My life was full of needless pain, until I discovered feminism. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not all roses. I don’t believe there is such a thing as a perfect life, but yeah it’s a whole lot better. I think so much more clearly than I used do. Hopefully you will too, one day.
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@ Xsplat
I realise my response must come across as a bit shirty. I’m sorry about that, as you did at least go to some effort to make it clear that you weren’t trying to be nasty or insulting to me. We think about the world very differently, we probably can’t both be right but thank you for at least being polite to me, even if you did come across as somewhat patronising.
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I would pay to see a band called The Clever Eunuchs.
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@Feminzai
We know what this toxic feminism promotes:
The Abolition of Marriage
Underage Lesbian Rape (See Vagina Monologues)
Binding Men in Fetters Behind Bars
The Genocide (or Gendercide) of all Males
The Imprisonment and Castration of Men through False Rape Claims
The Reduction of All Humanity to their Genitalia
Quotes from Andrea Dworkin:
Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership.
Only when manhood is dead – and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it – only then will we know what it is to be free.
Seduction is often difficult to distinguish from rape. In seduction, the rapist often bothers to buy a bottle of wine.
In this society, the norm of masculinity is phallic aggression. Male sexuality is, by definition, intensely and rigidly phallic. A man’s identity is located in his conception of himself as the possessor of a phallus; a man’s worth is located in his pride in phallic identity. The main characteristic of phallic identity is that worth is entirely contingent on the possession of a phallus. Since men have no other criteria for worth, no other notion of identity, those who do not have phalluses are not recognized as fully human.
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Back in her day, JF wasn’t terrible looking. Around a 5 or 6:
http://www.merrimack.edu/academics/liberal_arts/WomensGenderStudies/news_events/PublishingImages/Jaclyn%20Friedman.gif
But here she is today:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3196406985_5ca03e3de3.jpg?v=0
Reminds me ofthe dialog from Army of Darkness:
Sheila: You found me beautiful once…
Ash: Honey, you got reeeal ugly!
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To the women and men who condemn game because it is manipulative:
I observe that Ms. Friedman uses an older photograph of herself, where she is not a size 16, at the head of her pro-sex column.
Lesson: everyone uses “manipulation” to enhance their perceived value. Even feminists.
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i am guessing the dude from vice had the same reaction…
“I was at a pub the other night and that girl who always talks about being raped showed up. I think her name is Megan Iwasraped. Within about ten minutes of meeting her, she made it clear to the table she had been raped by blurting out, “I was raped.” This instantly had the desired effect and made us treat her with kid gloves because of the oppressive oppression that permeates every aspect of her life. It was like she took a pill and instantly became black.
A little bit later, one of the guys I was with leaned over and whispered something into her ear. Then they made out”
http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/feminisms_a_bitch/
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That’s pretty good, PA, but I think we’ll need to add in a few more motivators.
Women do have an innate tendency to act as a separate tribe. They are mostly socialized by each other, and mostly compare status against each other. I’m tempted to say only. Women are inherently marxist – in that they are inherently group oriented. They’re own group, of course. They cockblock and inflate the power and price of pussy as a group strategy. They naturally band together. They are The Union. The original union.
But yep, feminism is about eliminating the individual man from women’s collective financial need.
Of course it winds up being about taxing men and divorce theft, but they’ll just keep that quiet.
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Here’s Miss Friedman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnJQuhizQf8
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@Anonymouses Anonymous
The URL for the current photo starts out quite appropriately.
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“For what it’s worth, I have had to help support a friend after he was accused of raping a girl that he didn’t. It’s shit, I grant you. I only know personally of one case where that has happened however (though obviously I know there are other cases, just not ones I have direct experience of). I know of many many cases of actual rape though, so I tend to think that’s the bigger problem which needs to be dealt with.”
As someone who has been falsely accused of rape I have a different opinon as well. And that is most feminists don’t really have a problem with all the false accusations going around these days, just as long as it means those who have actually committed the crime are going to jail as well.
The sisterhood doesn’t seem to have a problem with 1 or 2 innocent men going to jail for every 10 to 15 who actually committed the crime.
And as a feminist I have no doubt you believe there are only a few men rotting in prision due to false accusations. Or what is the number you gals like to parrot? Something like only 2 to 3 percent are false allegations? You keep selling that BS, and I’ll keep watching how modern American women act these days, and laugh to myself when I hear about how some ‘sweet girl’ got drunk at a frat party and was “raped.”
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It’s been fun ‘debating’ things with you all. I didn’t expect to have much success, though I am very very amused that the response was exactly as I would have predicted. Namely ‘You don’t agree with me so you must be being illogical’.
@PA
It actually was interesting debating with you. Many of your views are abhorrent to me, as I’m sure mine are to you did at least adress some of the points I made, so thank you.
@Mr N
All movements have extremists. Taking some of the most extreme views and pretending that they are all a movement is about and what everyone honestly believes won’t get any of us anywhere.
@Peter
It’s generally more useful to look at a wide variety of stats and studies, and then look for a pattern rather than just one. I think there are a lot of reasons why people in general leave relationships, those include infidelity. They also include abuse, of various types. Men cheat more often than women do, even the stats you quoted agree with that. Men abuse women more often than the other way around. These things are true, no matter how much we all wish they weren’t. As for the women initiating divorce for monetary reasons, normally both parties lose out financially in a divorce. Also, even if the sole reason for divorce was boredom, would you really rather stay in a relationship with someone who was unhappy with you? I sure as hell wouldn’t!
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I’m going to take a wild-assed guess here, Feminazi, about how your life improved because of feminism.
1) You found a group of girls to socialize with and benefited from the comraderie of inclusion (although with lots of infighting and drama)
2) Your self esteem got a boost – because now you see how you have been held down all these years from your true potential, and you are as good or better than those guys who were putting you down
3) Your girlfriends taught you to stand up for yourself.
Something like that, right?
You might notice how none of the above relies on truth at all. It’s just a form of social support.
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lovely. marriage used to be viewed as a social good, a covenant, til death do us part, for richer or for poorer, etc. now feminism says dump the man who committed his life to you if you are “unsatisfied”. 80% do just that. Chase someone else and live off the other guy’s dime for the rest of your life. Yeah, we know what feminism means, sweetheart. You are spreading that shit in the wrong place.
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Feminazi is a cliche. It isn’t your duty to educate her, just be satisfied that her existance is a vindication for everything you believe and know to be true.
argueing with her is like trying to teach barbabbs to actually start respecting women, suck ben bernanke’s jew dick for a few fiat dollars, or god forbid actually start writing about some great books for men.
Do not debate with her, her views are the concrete you need to reinforce your own opposing view. Do not forget what you are up against.
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No, Feminazi, I’m calling you out on being illogical because not one single point that you argue can hold up under scrutiny. But, as with all females when arguing, you will quickly shift the topic as soon as your point is loosing ground, in order to make your broader view visible.
You point to this forest, but each time we point at a tree, it is nothing but a shrub. So you point to the forest again, and the next tree we point to is a shrub. Not one of your points can stand up to scrutiny, yet you insist on a forest.
That’s the female brain.
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Or you could, you know, work on it? Marriage is a covenant. It’s sworn to with an oath on whatever you find holy. Abuse and infidelity are one thing, but if you divorce someone just because your ‘gina ain’t tingling no more or because you’re not longer “excited”, then why did you bother with the pretense of getting married in the first place?
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lozlzlzlz feminazi!!!
r u jonah goldberg or candace allen?
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Oh, and no one was fooled into believing your statement that you will read any of the material. Certainly it would be too emotionally painful for you to do so, because your identity is too closely tied in with your beliefs.
That’s a very female trait as well – you identify with your thoughts, rather than have thoughts. That’s why females can’t stand debate and take it personally – to be disagreed with is to be disapproved of.
Since you identify with your ideology, it’s a near certaintly you won’t be able to stomach risking a change of view. You won’t read those materials. I’d bet on it.
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lzolzlzlz dude, you are winning me over. i am now a fan.
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Feminists want to trick the world into believeing their wombs have no value and that we should love them for their brains!!
No feminazis we know the the deal, womens wombs and what they do with them is the only thing that matters. Not your brains, not your rights, not your sexualities. Your wombs.
So now women have stripped themselves of all other meaningful uses, we are left with the womb. So heres the problem:
With their wombs women control the next generation. However everyone knows the next generation is better off in male hands. So if the institution of marriage is destroyed as feminazi would love it.
So feminazi would you rather have your children legally stolen by their rightful and loving father? Or a big brother state?
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You guys might not agree with feminazi, but after reading through her comments I didn’t find them to be illogical. She might be too independent for your tastes, but that doesn’t mean she is promoting any type of unfairness towards men in general. There are different types of women in the world, why is that such a bad thing?
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@Feminazi
She may have been extremist for the 1960s but now she is enshrined in academia. She is mainstream. These were the leaders.
It is like saying not every communist was like Pol Pot. You can’t judge the movement by the extremists. What? Movements are run by extremists. Sure not every peon was into the Communists massive executions and starvation but they enabled their extremists leaders to carry out the actions they told their followers they were going to do.
I was first introduced to Dworkin because some years ago I foolishly took a feminist out on a date. I had no clue what feminism was and asked her for some authors. Dworkin was at the top of her list.
Every year hundreds of schools across the country perform the Ensler’s Vagina Monologues.
Mary Daly was quoted as “If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males. People are afraid to say that kind of stuff anymore.”
These are the heads of the toxic feminsim. These are people who are brainwashing your sons and daughters in college. They may start with common generalities like “equal pay for equal work” before the proceed to Lesbian Marxism but that is their goal. That is what they said their goal is.
Who are you going to believe? Your made up wishes about what you wish feminism was or what the leaders of the (admittedly prior wave) feminist movement declared it was about?
Question: What do you think feminism is about?
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@ Feminazi
I’m very well read on feminism. My education has seen to it. Don’t worry about me 🙂
Also, if you want to read some other Game-type blogs, check out:
realassanova.com
therawness.com
theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com
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Many of your views are abhorrent to me, as I’m sure mine are to you
Perhaps. What helps clarify things is extrapolating a likely outcome of one’s ideology. Myself being a right-wing Christian traditionalist with an appreciation of the profound necesity of nationalism in the public ethos, I envision my ideology helping sustain my civilization and my peoplehood through a future that’s uncertain by definition. My endgame is spiritual health and life as everlasting as we can have in this world. Plus future generations of virtuous men and pretty girls.
My views are more likely to ensure a decent future than many competing views, including various kinds of leftisms and species of unfettered free-trade globalisms.
Your ideology, feminism, on the other hand? It dismantles the family, disinvests an average man from his society, and makes the soaciety vulnerable to demographic and cultural takeover by someone else. Its endgame is stupid, violent men and ugly women.
Feminazi is a cliche. It isn’t your duty to educate her,
I normally debate with ideological opponents for the sake of third parites who are reading along.
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Willy Wonka: “I’ve never just walked out on a chick on a first date before, but then I’ve never dated a feminist.”
It’s an experience I highly recommend. When I’m old and sodded, I’ll have forgotten dozens of women I’ve seen naked, but I’ll always remember the ones I walked out on the first date with a certain fondness. It’s an exhilaration much like being shot at without result.
Last one wasn’t a feminist, but she was a ball busting American career woman with a dumb office job. We argued within the first hour of conversation, or actually, she argued; I just kind of looked at her, wondering WTF was wrong with her. Somewhat later in the conversation, she got done telling me about her ex husband, I was all, “well, you seem pretty fond of the guy still, how come you broke up?”
Her: “He liked to argue too much!”
Me: “Check please!” *runs*
As I was driving away as if the Devil himself were pursuing me, she called and left weird messages on my cell phone a half a dozen times. It made a bigger impression than jizzing in her eye would have.
More men should do this. I’m pretty sure I could have found her wet spot that very night, but it wasn’t worth the trouble, nor was it as satisfying as kicking a douche like that to the curb.
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Feminazi needs to answer this question:
Would you rather your children were stolen by their rightful and loving father or a Big brother state?
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& i once had a threesome withe these two:
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i squirted my liquid in both but was careful to wrap it in foil before chekcing the oil so that myu little spreminators woudln’t be used by ben bernanke and his friends to shackle me with child support payments to sometyhing i pissed in lzozlzlzl
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Feminazi–
Most real hardcore feminists are more lesbian than straight or are full up lesbians. Such as the camelion like (in what she projects) Feministx.
Otherwise complete lying feminist crap. Feminists lie up and down, left and right, all the freakin time.
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@ Peter
You should absolutely work on it, of course. All relationships take work and I don’t think anyone should get married unless they honestly believe that the relationship will last the rest of their lives. Sometimes it doesnt’ matter how much you work on things though, if the passion and love is gone (and I’m not just talking physical passion here) then I think it’s best for both parties if you part ways. I really don’t think anyone choses to get divorced lightly, certainly no one I know has done so. Maybe the people you know are very different to the ones I know though.
@Xsplat
1) You found a group of girls to socialize with and benefited from the comraderie of inclusion (although with lots of infighting and drama)
I already had a group of girls to socialise with. Many of my female friends are feminists, however many of them (most even) are not. I added to the girls I already had in my life, but my oldest friends (who mostly are not feminists) are still the biggest support in my personal life, because we’ve known each other so damn long.
2) Your self esteem got a boost – because now you see how you have been held down all these years from your true potential, and you are as good or better than those guys who were putting you down
My self esteem got a boost when I left the abusive relationship I was in. I didn’t discover feminism until last year, when I was already nicely boosted, so this part doesn’t hold up I’m afraid.
3) Your girlfriends taught you to stand up for yourself.
Some of them did, yeah but that’s been the case since I was 19 and left my abusive ex, years before I discovered feminism. My close male friends, my ex girlfriend and my fiancee have all helped me in the same way though.
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@Feminazi:
“I pointed out that a certain type of behaviour wasn’t something a decent person would engage in. You respond by pointing out another type of negative behaviour, . . .”
No, I pointed out very specific behavior by the very person (i.e., Jaclyn Friedman) who you described as awesome in your first comment. On the face of the article linked by Roissy, this is what happened, but it became rape in her mind because she was very drunk (never mind that he likely was very drunk as well, and never mind that they had apparently had sex a lot in the past by her own statement). Because of the atmosphere created by people like Friedman, this guy was absolutely helpless to defend himself. She is not awesome, she is a pig.
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The only good feminists are those who can easily be made defensive by being accused of being feminists by edgie guys.
Those kind are often sluts.
Terrible odds to marry or even for an LTR, but for flings, one nights, and fuck buddies, they can be fun.
Hardcore feminists though who don’t go into a qualifying frenzy when accused of being feminist – forgetaboutit. Well, just take a look at the vast majority of them and you’ll already have forgotten about it.
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@Feminazi
“I’ll do some reading up on Game. You do some reading up on Feminism. Then we can have a reasoned debate. Chances are it won’t change either of our minds,”
Too true. I try to maintain the same open attitude, and I think if you ignore the derisive comments, keep up your mind open (which YOU are capable of – unlike many others who are deeply entrenched in their bias) and do some research on the Game or read more of Roissy’s blogs, you’ll see the reasoning and logic behind it. A lot of it will be biased / extreme obviously, but there is a certain rational basis for all of it out there, and I hope you can recognize that aspect of it instead of ignoring it and searching for the faults.
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Classic. The next tool in Feminazi’s arsenal, after shifting topics and slithering around to avoid being pinned down, will be to take her ball and go home. The female brain is not wired for constructive debate, because their self-justification and denial mechanisms are so strong (Roissy’s ‘hamsters’).
She knows that the dozens of points raised here tower over her feeble emotional ideologies, and she has no hope of successfully arguing with a bunch of scholars of the game. So, she’ll simply disappear for a while. I’ve seen it every single time I’ve tried to debate a feminist, christian, liberal, or right-winger.
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@ The Realist
I’d rather my children weren’t stolen at all, thanks. I don’t really get the point you are trying to make and I need to head out now. I may or may not be around tomorrow.
I have a quesiton though, is it really ‘Alpha’ to give a woman (particularly one who’s clearly not in the ‘desireable’ category for most of you) so much time? I’m just curious, as to how you all feel about that.
Right go to go, thanks for helping entertain me on an otherwise boring evening!
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@Laura
I can’t say for sure she is in this camp yet but I’ve met people who think along the following lines.
Feminism represent wooommeeen. I am a woman. Go feminists! Yeah, rape is a bad thing. Boo men. (Of course who is going to argue for rape.) I’m a feminist hear me rawr.
The thing is she is taking what she wants to believe feminism is and ignoring what it is in practice.
Kinda like people like this:
“I’m not going to worry about putting gas in my car, I’m not gonna have to worry about paying my mortgage.”
Is that what Obama said? No. Is that what she wanted him to say? Yes.
What is this toxic feminism for? Destruction of families. Lesbianism. Gendercide. Imprisonment of men. Reduction of humans to their genitals. What have we seen in society? Families ripped apart by divorces. Shows marketed to impressionable teenage girls that glorifies lesbian orgies, millions of (both boys and girls) dead in the womb thanks to abortion, the US leads the world in prison population, and an a reduction of men to nothing more than dildos attached to something (and correspondingly a reduction of women to nothing more than cheap snatch.)
This has what this feminism has claimed they would bring to the world. This is what it has brought. You can’t just wish it away.
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xsplat, you said:
“That’s why females can’t stand debate and take it personally – to be disagreed with is to be disapproved of.”
That’s actually what characterizes American liberals. It is more reliable as a generalization about them than as a generalization about females (although it still has statistical validity re females). Liberals are unable, for the most part, to imagine that they might be mistaken, so they start with the conclusions they feel are right and engage in rationalizing rather than reasoning. If they cannot be wrong, then anyone who disagrees must be stupid, ignorant, or evil — the one thing that can’t be the case is that the disagreement is soundly based in facts and logic, because then their own position would be wrong and that is unthinkable.
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Feminists are desperately trying to convinve us they are not ruining the world with their poisoned womb ideologies!!
The sooner they’re locked into matrix like stasis in massive human farm colonies pumping out male children for the big brother cause the better perhaps. You won’t be able to make an army or police force any other way soon, because these feminist tramps aren’t raising policemen and soldiers thats for sure. It’s big brother or bye bye for us if feminism gets its way.
Wouldn’t you rather every man and woman had his influence on the next generation? That is my definition of democracy.
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debating with a woman is like arguing with a urinal .. it always pisses me off but relieved at the same time after putting my liquid her way or something.
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“You are indeed correct, I didn’t claim that ‘Game’ never works. I wish dearly that it didn’t, but it turns out that picking up young, insecure girls and then making them feel even more insecure is a tried and tested method. It’s also disgusting and something no decent person would do, at least not if they understood that is what they were doing.”
First of all, most of us don’t give a shit anymore about what the decent thing to do is. I’ve done the decent thing most of my life, despite being born into an advantageous position, and it hasn’t gotten me shit. I tried to be a nice friendly, un-assuming guy, and it didn’t get me women, power, money, or happiness. Doing the decent thing got me shit on by pretty much everyone. So fuck your polite and decent. I dated a feminist for several years post college, and she was one of the most self loathing people i’ve ever met, and she was miserable to be around. Her feminist friends were also equally miserable and horrible to be around.
I fully understand your ideology and the logic behind it. I also know it is counter productive to my success and well being. Why the hell should I want to give up a position of power to someone else out of some bullshit notion of social justice. The middle class white male in this country is the only group in history to willingly give up power to women, and other ethnic groups, and we have not gained a damned thing from it.
I’m not scared of your viewpoints, and I don’t think they’re illogical. I think they are perfectly logical when viewed in light of the end goal of feminism, which is to take power from men.
You can claim i’m scared, intimidated, or whatever other feminist shaming language you want to use, but the bottom line is I fully understand the goal of feminism, its not in best interest, and therefore I immediately place any self declared feminist on my shit list because I know they are working against my well being.
You can cry rape culture and make up all the bullshit words you want in womyns studies class, but at the end of the day, men and women are different, men will always be the dominant gender, and there isn’t shit that feminists can do about it.
The genders are not the same, they never have been, and never will be, and that’s ok. We all play our role, and things only get fucked up when one side of the equation tries to usurp the function of the other. Nature will re-achieve equilibrium no matter how many bad articles are written by angry disenfranchised women.
You also make a false statement by stating that game consists solely of putting down women and building up men. The neg is primarily an opener for high value women, and it’s the only way to get their attention. If it wasn’t this way, I’m sure most of us would rather just introduce ourselves and make pleasant conversation rather than spending the mental energy to come up with a clever neg. Game is ultimately about eliciting positive feelings in women, which sometimes requires properly timed negative statements and emotions. We have given you what you wanted, and demanded in the sexual marketplace and now you want to cry about it because some of us have figured it out. You will get no sympathy.
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So how has feminism improved your life, Feminazi?
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the realist, lolllzz and feminazi are all the same guy.
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Realist,
An intelligent mother is more likely to have intelligent children. Also, if she spends enough time with them she can teach them a lot. I like to see smart, well educated women have children.
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Pleased to meet you, revelator.
Well said that feminism is perfectly logical, if viewed as an instrument of power grab.
If you view any one of their tenets, it will be false and supported by illogic and falsehood though.
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I don’t get why people here indulge trolls like femnazi. Just ignore them and they will go away.
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Roissy/Chateau/Whatever,
Brilliant post. Ms Friedman is beyond parody, but I commend your stout effort. She is a Jew-Fem from central casting, a perfect archetype of the enemy. If she didn’t exist – and she does, in abundance – she would have to be invented.
It’s important for men to keep in mind that women – all women – are hopelessly delusional by male standards, and they will focus on outliers to the point of absurdity (hence the appeal of SiTC, the influence of which on SWPL bitches cannot be overstated). If one woman, somewhere, broke the hard-as-steel pattern dictated by biology (ie Demi Moore as Cougar Extraordinare), it “must” be templatable. Men usually have no idea how out-of-earth-orbit most women really are. Like LT Weinberg, we cannot handle the truth.
I recently had the profound pleasure of emotionally destroying an SWPL bimbo who wanted to “have me”. As in a high position in the harem. As in, let’s make babies. She had to go, and she did, with a dose of brutality. Because I can.
Best part? She was a (once cute) MD in her 30s who had “forgotten” to have kids. That’s right, a doctor, an obstetrician-gynecologist no less, a gal who knows more about pussy and babies then all the guys who read this blog, put together. And yet she had “forgotten” to actually have any, and was near-death-desperate to make it happen with her overdue eggs.
Ponder that one, boyos, ponder it hard. If a doctor-chick whose entire life is wrapped up in sex and babes can somehow “forget” to reproduce – she was “too busy” wth work, life, book club, gal-pals, trips to Bali and Italy and Paris, and of course cock-hopping – how fucked in the head are the REST of the bimbo-sluts on our benighted shores?
Eastern Europe, plumbing issues aside, looks pretty good, don’t it?
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@Laura
Plato and Schopenhauer both suggested a simple eugenics plan long before the discovery of DNA and modern genetics.
Marriage of intelligent women with men of honourable character. To quote arthur schopenhauer:
“Plato had something of the kind in mind when, in the fifth book of his Republic, he explained his plan for increasing and improving his warrior caste. If we could castrate all scoundrels and stick all stupid geese in a convent, and give men of noble character a whole harem, and procure men, and indeed thorough men, for all girls of intellect and understanding, then a generation would soon arise which would produce a better age than that of Pericles.”
Unfortunately, intelligence does not neccersarily equal good character. The breeding of the honourable is the self fulfilling prophecy, it is not just his genes that secure the next generation but his appropriate rearing of the produced children. intelligent women, whilst producing intelligent offspring may not have the character to select the appropriate mate or raise their children in the appropriate manner. Women are often the first to descend to the lowest common denominator of attitude and behaviour irrespective of intelligence.
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Truth, wouldn’t the world indeed be a better place if Feminazi were a troll?
Sad thing is though, she is a common form of female. In an inalterable state of permadelusion.
Conversing with her is like conversing with a drunken car accident. Even though you see it’s inevitable, you are transfixed in and can’t help but want to have some effect.
The sad horror of it all.
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@ Dat truth hurts
Im sure Roissy can inform you otherwise. But nice try
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Feminazi–
Nope, women just lie about it a lot more than men and are less likely to be caught, in part because they are better liars, something most women practice all their lives, much of the time. They also lie down their total number of iifetime sex partners far more than men exaggerate their numbers up, but some but not all men do do that some. We know this from social psych experiments were subjects are asked about sex partners and cheating while simple told the results will be aggregated and remain anonymous, versus cases where the subject it told (falsely) that they’ve been hooked up to a working lie detector to verify they’re telling the truth, but it will remain anonymous. The results for women come out twice or more higher, for men slightly lower.
Women report male infidelity as the reason for leaving a marriage in a fairly small minority of cases. Female infidelity is far more likely to result in divorce, remarkably usually the woman seeking divorce. The main reasons women usually give for filing for divorce are no longer feeling deeply in love, though they may still care about and love “but not in that sexual, romantic way” their husbands. They say they feel stultified and that they aren’t growing anymore but feel “stuck” or “trapped”. This is woman speak for wanting to find a new lover or series of them, or for having already cheated and whether or not that relationship has a shot at becoming a new marriage or LTR, it has completely broken her feelings of romantic bondedness with her husband, which is very, very usually the case when a woman has good sex with someone new not her husband or long term sex partner, especially if it’s more than 4 years into the marriage the chemical bondedness for most women has become a lot mellower, and more subject to breakage by a new infatuation.
For women who haven’t had children at this point, and aren’t going to rely of feminist changed and truly male oppressive domestic and family laws to demand and get the house and most of what’s in it, and half or more of the rest of her husbands accumulated wealth in excess of hers (as it is the great majority of the time due mostly to husbands being older and other aspects of female hypergamy), god by not feminists forbid alimony (paid by men to women 97% of the time it’s awarded), then ok, maybe not so bad.
But that’s why men shouldn’t sign on to entirely female sided marriage 2.0 with the divorce 2.0 that so often goes with, fifty percent of time in fact, more that 75% of the time initiated or inescapably caused by women (e.g. she moves in with another man in another state and won’t come home).
At most they should live with a woman, where splitting up in most cases means each takes what’s theirs or they’ve earned and saved or brought into the relationship, and that’s it. Noone pays anyone anything as it should be.
But what if they are kids feminazi. When there are minor kids involved feminazi women initiate divorce and even greater overwhelming preponderance of the time. In fact men almost never itinitiate divorce when there are minor kids around, unless they turn out to not be his. But guess what feminazi? In states where a relatively large percentage of custody awards (defined as mere over 30% in these feminist male oppressive times, particularly in domestic and family law), there’s a much lower divorce rate. I.e. in those cases where women aren’t sure they’ll be able to steal a man’s children (well they’re also his just a much) from him and make him pay a hugely jacked up since the 90s by feminists after tax percentage of his income in child support, which since then has included a stealth alimony componet tax free to here, particularly in the case of upper middle class etc. male earners.
And feminists are even bringing long term and even lifetime alimony back. See California, not to mention Mass. Connecticut’s bad too. And New Jersey. many states are now. Feminists once advocated, most of them in the early second wave days, a steady phasing out of alimony as more and more works was available to women at all levels of the workforce. No more. Greedy anti male women only feminists now about all support as much alimony as they can get the law and feminist family bar picked family court judges to give them.
Divorce theft 2.0. Utterly one sided marriage 2.0, where feminists have done away with a supported wife’s obligation to sex her husband as part of the age old marital quid pro quo, or one of them, and have made marital rape possible for the first time. (Sure there should be marital battery for beating up a wife that won’t put out, but marrital rape is an abomination, particularly given the absence of proof anything likely genuinely beyond a reasonable doubt now prevailing thanks to feminazis in family court.)
Damn right men should marry in American in these circumstances. Just fun it up with some sluts and some quasi good girls, and maybe live with good girls from time to time.
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@feminazi
“Crazy I know, but it turns out that it’s actually possible to be involved in a relationship with someone (casual or serious, fleeting or long term) where all people involved are honest, caring and respectful of each other. Fact. ”
Yes it is. It’s also possible to do all of those things with “game.”
AND…without it and maybe even with it, things can go cold. Its human nature. I have first hand knowledge. The woman went cold first. I let many things slide.
Bring in “game” flair, alpha’ness, even some ass hole’ness and guess what?
Girl comes back like all is new.
Though this may leave a man to wonder what its all worth. That depends on the man, the woman, and good ol’supply and demand.
This is the world we live in. As a wise rabble-rouser once said, “bio mechanics is king.”
Educate yourself, keep your eyes and mind open.
Game is just giving the people what they want. One tool in that pursuit.
Like looks, personality, etc. If you don’t agree and don’t live by these rules…Then there are lots of amputees, and those deformed in both body and soul who would love to be with you. Easy pickings. All the love you can handle with none of the work.
Oh wait! Even those folk need game, looks and the same qualities everyone else does. Otherwise no one in the world would be alone.
Life is more brutal and more beautiful than you have let yourself imagine.
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Which of these women are more likely feminist:
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Always a pleasure to get gems like these from Gdi “Men usually have no idea how out-of-earth-orbit most women really are. Like LT Weinberg, we cannot handle the truth.”
Struth. I still can barely handle it.
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Great stuff. I love these hilarious eviscerations even more than the game posts.
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Anonymouses Anonymous
What a porker. A hard faced looking one at that. Only hard thing about her.
Sou Weeeee.
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The lesbinazi fatass is classic. All her pretty lies can’t save her from a world based on reality.
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Oh, THAT’S how Feminazi’s life was improved. Saved from a reality based existance.
Yes, I can see how that would be an improvement.
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cisgendered? as opposed to transgender freak?
Round here they just call it being normal. Such a word should not even exist.
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POLITICS OF EQUALITY????She’s just some fat,fugly,b***hy broad no
TRUE dude-let alone YOURS TRULY-would approach with a 10-foot pole.(Or a 5’9”,212-lb.,classically handsome black Canadian lad!!!!!)
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@ Doug1
Excellent comment. In particular, setting people straight about the real deal behind divorce. Women have done much more to destroy the institution of marriage than men—they are every bit as likely to cheat and initiate at least 70 percent of the divorces, most of which are filed for reasons having nothing at all to do with male infidelity.
But I have small disagreement—about marital rape. Look—if your wife doesn’t want to fuck right then, and you forcibly penetrate her then you’ve raped her. There really should be no debate about this. If the wife can prove this in a court of law beyond all reasonable doubt, then the hubby should do jail time. The problem is that the threshold for a conviction if you’re a man is much, much lower than that.
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Laura–
I’d like to get your opinion on this Laura. This is not a baited or trick question in any way. i like and respect you.
It seems to me it’s most valuable to kids if they have their intelligent and uniquely likely to be loving to them mother at home with to help develop their brains between the ages of 2 and about 5. After that they can and probably should be in nursery school, which starts to make part time work for the mother quite feasible, esp. w/some help, in which case it might soon become light full time, 9 to 5 sort of thing, no overtime, while they’re in elementary school. But middle school the mother really might be able to work full time.
Before age two a lot will depend on how career ambitious the woman is and what her earnings power is at the point. I’m not at all sure that there’s all that much advantage to having the mother as opposed to another carefully screened and caring woman home to nurse and care for the child. If she’s not lactating, which would be better, the mother can breast pump during the day, creating mother’s milk rather than only or maybe any formula from bottles. I guess this might take two shifts of nurses to completely free the mother to be high powered career (though still with limited overtime to spend some time nursing and caring for her own infants) during the first year or two.
Thoughts?
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Women like this shouldn’t even have one second wasted on them. As soon as I saw the picture of this monster, her opinions were immediately deemed to be irrelevant to me. I don’t give a shit what some middle aged fat pig feminist monster thinks.
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“But I have small disagreement—about marital rape. Look—if your wife doesn’t want to fuck right then, and you forcibly penetrate her then you’ve raped her. There really should be no debate about this. If the wife can prove this in a court of law beyond all reasonable doubt, then the hubby should do jail time. The problem is that the threshold for a conviction if you’re a man is much, much lower than that.”
This is all correct. Unfortunately, do to the nature of rape, proof beyond a reasonable doubt in the typical sense is almost always impossible (excluding cases where women are accosted and raped in the street or where there is severe injury). Consequently, the feminists have somehow convinced legistators and courts to allow all burdens of proof to be turned on their head for rape, even though the charge of rape is more damaging to the defendent’s life than just about any other crime. The compound this by defining as rape any number of encounters that no sane person would have previously defined as such. The result is our false rape society, in which a crazy broad can go up to a athlete’s room uninvited, throw herself at him, have sex she doesn’t like, have sex with another guy a few hours later to feel better, and then claim rape and have the police believe her. They rationalize it by telling themselves it’s a “just a few”. Right.
The other problem is if it becomes a regular scenario for her not to want it anymore, he ought to be able to move on without becoming her wage slave for the rest of his life. Good luck with that.
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I suspect it depends on your definition of ‘desireable’. In my experience, if you ‘attract’ a man (or woman, or anyone) based on the fact that you are young, cute etc then you won’t get to ‘keep’ them anyway. As soon as you stop being young, someone ‘cuter’ comes along or whatever and he’ll be off in a minute. So if you want a lasting relationship, building one based on physical attraction alone will never work.
None of the feminists I know have had issues attracting partners, few of them have had issues maintaining longlived relationships if that’s what they wanted. I know many more young, cute, ‘pleasant’ girls who have wound up in their thirties alone and depressed because the men who adored them so much ten years previously have predictably run off with someone younger. – Feminazi
Mmm hmmm…
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“These days thankfully a woman doesn’t feel she has to stay in a relationship with a man that doesn’t satisfy her.”
Wow, women don’t even hide their selfishness any more. Marriage used to be about sacrifice for the family unit. In this day and age, men are still expected to work like dogs, until the wife is “no longer satisfied”, divorces him and takes alimony.
I have two teenage sons. What am I supposed to tell them? A nuclear family is still the best environment to raise children, but women are rewarded for destroying it in the pursuit of personal satisfaction.
My sons will learn game, be alphas and avoid feminists, that’s for damn sure.
“It’s also true that men are much much more likely to cheat in a relationship than a woman with”
No, that’s a lie. Google for “women cheat more than men”
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is she? this calls for a new contest: “the most obnoxious woman of the month”
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I agree with you, Sean, but it seems that women have a uniquely powerful hold on men’s psyches. They are the ones who indoctrinated us up, from a young age. They are hugely socially influential – more so than men. They dominate the definition of society.
I think men are blessed with the internet, to educate each other in ways that just a short time ago were near impossible. We are greatly helped and our learning period greatly shortened by teaching each other the games women play, the differences that they have to us, and how thouroughly fucked up most of their ideas are.
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@feminazi
“It’s also true that men are much much more likely to cheat in a relationship than a woman with, so does that really surprise you? ”
Are these men having sex with martians? Look, by your theory, many men would have to be cheating by having extra-marital sex with a much smaller pool of women. That makes no sense, unless you are talking about hookers. Generally, based on the way female attraction has been seen to work, the reverse would be true (i.e., more women would be cheating with a smaller pool of desirable men – who are living the good life). This is just based on opportunity, rather than any assessment of the predisposition of either sex to cheat.
Face it, women just lie about it better.
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“Face it, women just lie about it better.”
There’s another “you can’t handle the truth” fact I wish I could feminize away. Damn, maybe I should become feminist. Their world seems so much rosier than this one.
It’s scary true. Women lie in a way men can barely imagine. A lot of us men, at least. Remorseless too. Their only remorse is being caught. But they’ll appear remorseful. Another lie. Which they believe. Incredible facility for lies – they are genuinely fragmented – separate compartments in their brains. One for Paul, one for Peter.
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Most pathetic of all is her implication that the ONLY dates she gets are through online personals.
A woman who isn’t asked out by any other means is busto in the dating marketplace.
Reading between the lines of her “dating” experiences, guys are no doubt responding to misleading pictures, meeting her once, and either gone forever or digging in the dirt for a forgettable and short affair.
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dragnet–
I don’t agree. At all. And neither did most of the states and courts of this country until 2nd wave feminists got on it. As on so much else to the detriment and often oppression of men. In fuller context you said:
Well your last sentence, which is also part of what I mentioned, is enough right such that in the interests of justice the law should be repealed.
As well the logical extension of marital rape laws is that if a man has sex with his sufficiently inebriated wife, since feminists want to make that rape among unmarried daters, even though she could walk and talk but was “drunk”, then it’s rape when the husband does it. Is that what you want? Of course I think the whole idea of tipsy bullsiite feminist date rape 2.0 is an abomination.
But I go further than that, which guess what is also traditional in Christian marriages, before new age and hyper chivalrous, dysfunctionally so crap came in in some quarters. A wife owes her husband sex. Period. It’s part of the deal. Always has been until feminism or as I’ve said some forms of messed up British Victorian chivalry among the higher classes came along. Damn few men would ever marry if their wife wasn’t promising to give sex to them on the regular as part of the deal. Her agreement comes with the agreement to marry. Doesn’t mean three times a day if she can’t be seduced into that.
I’ll tell you this dragnet. I’d never marry even with my kind of prenup (which mimicks the legal effects of living together if there’s a break up) or live with a woman who believes as you do. If she doesn’t feel it’s her duty in addition lets abolutely hope almost always or ideally always her delight to give me best efforts sex, forget it. She’s fling material only. Of course she can also leave the relationship.
Yeah good sex is usually seduced sex – though it can be good when it’s seduced during the fact. It your subscribed to feminist world married couples have to worry about playing out between themselves the rape fantasies many, many women have, or the man does, in case his wife gets pissed at him later about something, or miss judging her some in the playing out?
You make marital rape possible and you fundamentally alter a bedrock of marriage, and certainly what the mothers of the greatest generation told their daughters (and many mothers since), that a woman has a duty even when she isn’t feeling it to provide at least a reasonable amount of sex weekly to her husband, to keep the marriage strong or long term viable. You create in it’s stead the American wife notion that her husband should have to earn each little bit of pussy he wants by doing her special favors beyond helping support her and the household, the view that he’s a begger at her door, or anyway that that’s the case when she’s a little irritated or not totally feeling it.
Sure game can counter act a lot of that, as can good lover skills, but mindset also matters.
No I utterly reject marital rape. I don’t disagree that men can’t beat up their wives to force getting laid however. Prohibiting the later, with the penalties for the later potentially rather than the extreme penalties for rape, is MORE than enough.
Rejected.
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Re the jewess-whale and online personals: Revealing but for most women on the hard side of 35, online dating is the only real option, since it spares them the public humiliation of being the girl-hugging-the-wall, a la high school dances, as the younger, thinner, cuter gals get all the attention in any non-fat-fetish bar
However, online dating, being an enormous beta-parade, crates a wholly false sense of value for the fugly chicks, which makes occasional forays into the real world of mating all the more terrifying for their fat selves. Hence online dating is self-reinforcing.
Which is why alphas never go there. That said, it may be healthy for men to occasionally peruse ads at Match (or wherever – all the same), to spy all the ugly 42 year-old hags who, despite the fact that they look awful, have 3 kids at home, possess a va-jay-jay you could drive a truck through even without lube, and have zero to offer any man with an ounce of self-esteem, nevertheless ardently believe they are entitled to a “great guy” who will support their handbag addiction and be grateful for one badly executed BJ per annum.
Read a few of those, guys, it will energize you to take that much-delayed pussy-hunting expedition to Slovakia.
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if a chick so much as utters one feminist word – even indirectly – she’s moved into the pump and dump basket. and, yes, i test them – usually in subtle ways.
if they fail, i ramp it up as fast and as far as i can go (anal, 3-somes etc.) and never invest time or money. when i hit the wall or better yet hit my objectives, dump time.
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I delight in the fact that these creatures will never experience true love.
Women like her make the world a worser place.
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As usual, I’m in agreement with Doug. Generally the fewer laws we have he better. Laws are meant to protect the weak from exploitation or violence, and counter intuitive as it first may seem, protecting wives from unwanted sex weakens the males position legally more unfairly than it does the woman.
The woman can always leave, if she feels she’s being abused. But having the power to threaten putting your husband in jail, having the power to withhold sex, gives the woman way too much power.
Marriage is a bargain. There are expectations. If the woman doesn’t want to put out, she should leave and take no financial reward.
I’ll also agree with Doug that expectations color emotions. If a woman feels she has little or no other options, she’ll actually be more in love with her current partner. Her emotions will follow her circumstances. Give her too much power, and her emotions will also change. She’ll become over-empowered. What’s the word for that? An entitled greedy moody bitch.
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This is what a Size 16 woman looks like:
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re Doug1:
that might be one of the dumbest statements that i have ever read.
the rape culture that feminist mcfatso talks about in that interview is about 99% bullshit. rape, in the developed world at least, is a crime that one individual commits against another. it’s not a political act.
all that being said, rape IS a crime. you’re argument that a wife “owes” a man sex is part scary and part pathetic. if your daughter came to your house crying and explained that she wasn’t in the mood so her husband held her down and forced himself on her, you would just send her on her way and explain that it was his right?
even if i were to concede that wives “owe” sex, then it would merely be grounds for divorce or annulment; not for rape. forcing sexual contact on an unwilling person, in any context, is one of the most despicible and dishonorable acts that a human being can perform.
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Harrowing – but great – post.
The most obnoxious feminazi in the world is Jewish? Oh stop!
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@Feminazi
“You are indeed correct, I didn’t claim that ‘Game’ never works. I wish dearly that it didn’t, but it turns out that picking up young, insecure girls and then making them feel even more insecure is a tried and tested method.”
Lets put this “young, insecure” nonsense to bed, shall we? Its preposterous and silly.
Let me tell you that in my experience, game actually works BETTER on women like Jaclyn and Feminazi (not that I would ever humor a WHALE like Jaclyn, but you know what I mean). I think we can all attest to the fact that the most militant detractors of game are the easiest targets. I’ve put young, old, cougar, cub, married, single, gay, etc. ALL on their backs – with their legs spread – with well executed game. The ones who fell HARDEST and wettest were the ones who are “smart,” “interesting,” [insert additional compensatory adjectives here], etc. – because they had finally given up hope of someone being smitten purely by their (waning) looks.
Stop kidding yourself, Feminazi – you’re ALL susceptible. Especially ones like you who claim to have “so much to offer.” Take your little Game disclaimer and bury it – along with the rest of your absurd feminist rhetoric.
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I’m openly for diminishing women’s power. A woman is happiest when she is properly dominated by a man that she respects. Give her too much power and she will insist on making everyone around her, including herself, miserable.
Have you ever met a happy feminist? Has anyone ever heard of a happy feminist? No, it’s an oxymoron. A woman in charge of her mate is certain to be moody and uncontrollable. A man in charge of his mate is certain to be personable company for all involved. Women may be fit to lead in some circumstances, but as a general matter of sexual relations, they are naturally subordinate, if one wants harmony.
To that end I believe in the value of the war of the sexes, and men need to quickly learn how to win at it.
Of course you know what my recommendation is going to be.
Dominance.
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Despite the Irish handle, I am Jewish. This “feminist” is your typically angry Jewish woman who feels her father never took her seriously. Believe me folks, this is a whole genre of Jewish women. So she is both raging mad and desperately trying to draw attention to herself. Care to take odds on whether she actually was assaulted in college?
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Always a pleasure to get gems like these from Gdi “Men usually have no idea how out-of-earth-orbit most women really are. Like LT Weinberg, we cannot handle the truth.”
“Struth. I still can barely handle it.”
I have never been under any illusions that I would be dating and hooking up with attractive women, but when even average looking women pass me by it can be hard to handle. Coming to the realization that you will not be hooking up with 9’s and 10’s comes pretty early for most average guys. But when I found out that even the 5’s, 6’s, and quite a few 4’s are alpha cock hunters that was pretty disturbing.
It seems like feminism is more of a beta-avoidance scam, for the the sole benefit of the average female than anything else. They get to fuck the Alpha’s who would never settle for them, have their babies, and then let the govt., or have some provider male take care of them. Of course the really evil ones divorce the provider and go back to fucking the Alpha’s all thanks to a fat alimony check.
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JR
Its hard to argue with that, JR, and maybe I suffer from a lack of imagination, but how is it possible to force sex on your mate? I mean, why wouldn’t she just aquiece?
I’d like to think that Doug’s point is that women OFTEN use laws unjustly to their advantage. Put a law that they can abuse, and they will. Domestic abuse laws are the perfect example.
I’d like to think that Doug was alluding to that if such a law would back a woman up, she’d go from aquiesing to refusing. On the basis of her rights.
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Xsplat–
And American woman.
With increasingly rare exceptions.
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All the money in the world is worthless if you are not the man of the house.
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“if your daughter came to your house crying and explained that she wasn’t in the mood so her husband held her down and forced himself on her, you would just send her on her way and explain that it was his right?”
Perhaps, I live a somewhat sheltered life, but (as a female) I’m not getting the wasn’t “in the mood” bit. In the last 15 years, there might have been 3-5 times total I wasn’t “in the mood.” And probably those times I was constipated. Hmm, I’ve participated when moderately sick, with an upper respiratory infection while coughing the entire time and barely being able to breathe, and within a couple of weeks following major deaths and still moderately depressed.
Ok, maybe it’s not the most earth-shattering sex, but I’d think it’s preferable to outright refusal. I don’t know even know how that dynamic originates on either end, devoid of major illness or catastrophe. Yeah, seriously, I’m asking WHY a wife would refuse hubby. Ok, now if she’s majorly sick and not in the mood, and she’s brutally forced anyway, maybe that would be rape, but how would she not pick up a huge character flaw like that in the male prior to getting married?
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@ Doug1
I get your point. But I still must disagree. I don’t disagree that sex should be part of the bargain if a man is to submit to marriage. But the proper way to ensure a man’s access to sex in his marriage isn’t to permit marital rape. The proper way to ensure a man’s acccess to sex in his marriage, is to make divorce a palatable option for him. The real sin is that men cannot opt out of their marriages for any reason—lest they be relieved of their material wealth, deprived of their children and saddled with crushing alimony.
I really believe the solution to a lot of the problem we see between the sexes is that men have no rights vis-a-vis their women, only obligations and that women are incentivized to screw over their husbands and families. Make divorce a palatable option for men (ie, placing a two-year cap on alimony, eliminating no-fault divorce, mandating joint physical custody of children and thus equal child support payments of both parties, etc) and wives will do their duty, or else the threat of him leaving her becomes real.
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Here’s a nice photo of this water buffalo
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“and wives will do their duty . . .”
I think it goes beyond that. Practically speaking, the current law gives a wife so much unbridled power over her husband (assuming he is the working provider) that he becomes a total turn off to her. Take a lot of that power away, and allow him to regrow his spine, and the same guy may become more sexually appealing to her such that it is no longer a “duty”.
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Dragnet, those are all great points, but you didn’t touch on the issue of the abuse potential for false claims of rape by the spouse.
The anti spousal rape laws are destined to cause more abuse than protection from abuse.
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Anon
Ya, what you said.
Men need to deliberately disempower women. It’s for their own good.
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I mean Dragnet, you have to admit – it is only women who are evil and cruel and cold enough to make false charges of rape. You want to trust a wife with that kind of power?
My god man. Talk about giving firecrackers to children.
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JR
Not for the first time what an absolute idiot you are.
What’s this IS? What utter CRAP. What’s a crime is what society says is a crime. Period. Many things are crimes in the US that shouldn’t be. Smoking pot IS a crime. In the US at the moment, or most of the US. California well they don’t want it to be but there’s still some federal overhang. It shouldn’t be anywhere, certainly over a certain age. Myself I don’t like pot much, haven’t had any in a long time, but it’s obviously less dangerous than alcohol, which I do enjoy in moderation, and also think should remain legal.
Do you do much thinking outside your received ideologies JR? Doesn’t look like.
Marital rape was a non existent “crime”, and not an “IS” crime, throughout almost all of Christian and every other civilization. Why? Very simple, when a woman consents to marriage and is married, she consents to sex with her husband. Now good manners and marital harmony dictates that he not demand all the time when she’s not in the mood and he can’t put her there (game guys, game). It also dictates or used to and should that she regularly hints or offers or quickly “succumbs”.
Yeah there’s a core idea of rape that almost all human cultures and societies accept as such. The core involves stranger or non intimate acquitance rape, where there was never any consent to sex and where there’s no claim of right to sex on the part of the male, but he just nakedly forces it. That’s about it for univerally agreed rape, jackass JR.
I know what I’m talking about, you know jack all.
Yes. I most certainly would, basically. Basically I said. But of course I’d see there’s problems there. I wouldn’t necessarily think they were more on his side than hers, but I’d want to talk it out with her.
I’d have a frame that that was a rather boorish and stupid and it seems desperate act on his part. But then I’d also ask why he’s so sexually frustrated by her. I’d try to get her to talk about their marital dynamics. The root problem could be that she’s been losing sexual attraction to him because she’s succeeding in the American hyperfeminist entertainment media’s exhortations to her to take control of her marriage and in essence make her husband a “yes dear” and “I’m sorry dear, as always” and a “you’re right, women are always right dear” kind of American feminist approved husband. That would involve a lot of fault and a lot to work on on both their sides, my hypothetical daughter and her husband. Or it could be because she or he, but more likely she is having an affair and lost interest in her husband but wants undisturbed full access to his money, not just unfair her fault post divorce access to it.
Or it could be he’s just become way more pussy largely on his own. Or she’s become way more harridan for feminist programing and no counter programming (except by me) reasons, and he isn’t having it and they fight constantly, but he also hasn’t figure how to be a calm rock that isn’t having it instead of an infuriated down in the mud struggler who doesn’t want to.
That kind of thing
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have you guys all gone mad? personally, if you need to resort to the law or to violence to get your woman to have sex with you, you need some serious help. putting all that aside, even if i were to say that women owe their husbands sex, that has nothing to do with allowing husband to force sex from the wives (ie rape). it’s two different issues.
marriage is a contract and that may mean something, but no contract, no matter how strict, is ever grounds for physicslly compelling another person to do something against their will. that’s not feminism. that’s not chivalry. that’s just a basic belief in human freedom.
if i sign an employment contract and then re-neg, that doesn’t give the employer the right to hold me in slavery. he can withhold wages. he can sue me for backpay. he can take any number of legal recourses against me for breaking the deal. he canNOT pull a gun on me and compel me to keep working.
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For the life of me I cannot understand the hate that online dating gets on this website. I dated on Match.com a year and a half ago when things got busy at work and I had less time to go out to bars and parties—and let me tell you it was a pussy windfall.
If you play your cards right, you really can’t lose. You’re going out with women you have a reasonable expectation are attractive, and you can be sure they’re attracted to you—otherwise they wouldn’t have initiated contact (this is really the key). If you’re good-looking guy (which I am) be sure to post lots of pictures of yourself—by yourself, with friends, and at least one with another (attractive) girl or women friends. Be a good writer with a sense of humor. Then sit back and wait.
Never once did I initiate contact. What I did was select all profiles that fit my selection criterion, and opened/viewed them without contacting the girls. The girls can see who’s looked at their profile—and will probably wonder why you didn’t get in touch. I went through 500 profiles like this (took about 2 hours)—didn’t read any of the profiles, just quickly glanced at photos—and got initiating winks/emails from over 40 of the women over the next few weeks/months. Thirty-five were 7 or better. Dates with 25, and sex with 15 of them. Had a harem set-up going for a while. 9 months later, I was still able to booty-call five of them. That’s like getting royalties on a song you wrote 20 years ago or some shit.
If you have Game, online dating works. Good looks got me the audition, but solid Game brought it home. The guys here should really give it a shot and not be so down on it. I have never gotten more tail for less effort.
Two words: pussy. windfall.
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I haven’t gone mad, JR, and you haven’t even come close to addressing my question.
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She is ghastly. Thankfully it looks as though she will not reproduce, although I’d bet my eyeteeth she’s down a couple of fetuses. Sad. Although for women like her having an abortion is probably like having a day at the spa: rest, relax, get fully in touch with who you are, all that.
My favorite part of the YouTube video referenced above
is when she states that drunken stupid partying is a human right.
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“These days thankfully a woman doesn’t feel she has to stay in a relationship with a man that doesn’t satisfy her.”
Fair enough, contemporary society says what a gina wants, a gina gets, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that she is morally entitled to take the kids, the house, child support and alimony from a man who has fulfilled his obligations to her.
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@dragnet
“The girls can see who’s looked at their profile—and will probably wonder why you didn’t get in touch.”
Out of curiousity, did any of them start with that line of inquiry? Or did they not acknowledge that you had looked at them?
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Well duh! Women HATE HATE HATE Beta Males. They’d like them dead, or gay. So that all that are left, are Alpha A-holes. Lesson, don’t be beta, ever. Be as much of an Alpha-Ahole as you can be.
Naturally, this means women deserve and are as worthy of commitment, loyalty, and devotion as a used car. But women would not have it ANY OTHER WAY!
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Xsplat–
That’s exactly what one of my points is and what I think. However, let me refine it a bit.
Put a law they can abuse and quite a few women will for little reason, and a great many and soon majorities and large majorities will if they think it will help them extract more “for their children” after they’ve already decided to leave a man. Women are as a very large rule (with exceptions) FAR more heartless and financially ruthless to men they no longer fully love than men are to women they no longer do, when each sex as comparable power to be so. This is utterly unrecognized by current domestic law, which is chock a block with wife and live together girlfriends vast exaggeration and outright lying for advantage. In America this is particularly exaggerated by divorce and family law lawyers who use and milk and encourage this female tendency for their own drawn out fees, usually paid for by the husband with no control over the length of the battle, short of his extremely one sided, even more than the law, capitulation to unreasonable negotiated demands.
Yes some divorcing women aren’t this bad but many are encouraged to be, without so much difficulty. Her divorced or contemplating it girlfriends are pushing along the same lines.
As well, in almost all American couples, this potential on the part of the wife or even living together girlfriend to abuse the law gives her a serious and unjust edge in disputes, once she knows about it. (In the case of a live in gf e.g. by getting an order of protection on no evidence except her say so that he threatened her frightening her oh so, or slapped her (no injury, despite her actually slapping him three times) forcing him out of the condo or loft or house he owns for three months or more, while he’s court ordered to continue the payments/rent while he also has to pay for some temporary place for himself to stay).
Yeah all these laws should be wiped off the books. The old assault and battery laws were enough. Orders of protection should require hearings and proof to go on for more than a very brief time, and in the meantime no such claim, nor any final claim, should alter who has the legal right to remain in the home they own or lease. If someone has to move it should not be the owner/lessor of the property. Yet it is in hyper feminist America today, “thanks” to VAWA. Outrageous.
yeah that effects dynamics, which each sex learns about these things. It effects them unjustly.
Defend that feminazi. Or is all you care about women, not fairness. Men have never cared only about men.
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Headlines today:
“Black Widows” blow up Moscow subway
Japanese video game “RapeLay” repulses American sensibilities
“Dating Game” contestant sentenced to death
Citizen Renegade features a loose-lipped ball-buster whose worldview hinges upon a distant personal trauma.
Diametrically opposed to her is the school of thought (largely a reaction to hyper-feminism, I suspect) that depicts rape as a natural impulse in men that should not go unexploited. It has been suggested that a corollary to this is that all women have evolved to desire being raped. It is true that–whether by birth or through conditioning–some women are enamoured by savagery. But any man who is foolish enough to claim that all women want to be raped should look at the above case study of Jaclyn Friedman.
Rape breaks a woman down. From there she will either heal or dissolve–or else take up a crutch. Hyper-feminism–like fundamentalism, psychotherapy, commercialized cult-leaders, and petty dope dealers–is there to hold them up indefinitely.
Jaclyn Friedman is the result. A confused woman whose sexual prime was spent reacting to the worst in men. Most likely, hyper-feminism gave her the intellectual insulation necessary to avoid the biological self-reflection that would have fortold the coming of this day. Now she prowls for men over the internet–only to steamroll over them as a reflexive act of revenge for what she endured in college.
We live in a world of civilized primates who too-often revert to ancient instincts: skull-cracking, food-snatching, weakling-battering, and of course, raping. We all take it on the chin at some point in our lives. If the blow was not as strong as you, then you move forward and bear the scars.
If the blow was stronger than you, then you are forced to pick up a crutch or else stop walking. An example would be a man who is beaten up turning to extreme pacifism, or an injured football player campaigning to ban the sport.
Like the above examples, hyper-feminism goes a few steps too far in trying to correct for the inevitable tragedies of the human condition.
Whose is ultimately responsible? The ideological vampires? The uncivilized rapists? The Darwinian God who made them?
Story at 11.
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the answer to your question is: i have no idea. if you wife isn’t banging you then maybe you should have the ability to divorce her, throw her out in the street, whatever. i’ve never given the issue much thought. personally, i have no interest in sex unless it is mutally desired and freely given. i know… call me crazy.
even if there needs to be some legal means of recourse for a man whose wife has stopped consenting to sex (and that is a big “if”), rape is not that means. see my employment analogy above. no matter what kind of employment contract you enter into, you never become the property of your employer.
perhaps, but rape (the real kind; not all the BS feminist permutations of “assault”) most certainly should be a crime. it doesn’t matter what the pre-existing arrangement between a man and a woman is. an individual always maintains direct control over their own body. the use of force to compell someone to do something they don’t want to do is a crime. i don’t even know how that’s at all a controversial postion.
a well-ordered society is one wherein no person is allowed to use force against another person unless he is actively defending his person, another person or his property. even if a man has marital “rights” to sex, using force to get it shoud be a crime.
your argument seems to be that since it used to be ok for husbands to rape their wives, then that’s the way it ought to be. i’m not sure if you know this, but there are any number of practices that were once widespread which we no longer allow. it used to be acceptable, in many cultures and through many centuries, to force other human beings to work for you. today we rightly consider slavery to be a crime.
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This story highlights a truism of our modern world: A woman can have practically no grasp of external reality and still get all the sexual action she happens to want, with somebody at least. As they begin to lard up they might notice the quality of their bed mates begins to decline but that would require being somewhat awake. In brain-off, sleep-walking from bed to bed mode the moment of awareness might be put off until size 16. Then, wham! Where did everybody go?
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Anon–
Actually they by and large haven’t actually succeeded in going this far in the actual criminal law or most jury instructions but their sure trying hard as hell to get there and there’s a campaign on for sure. As well what juries come to believe is rape is really very important, and you’re right they’re working on that big time in the media.
What you’re confusing is what the standard’s of rape are in many or most US college or university “honor codes” or “student conduct codes” etc. The penalty for this kind of rape conviction is generally suspension or expulsion, noted on the transcript, and yes here the standards of proof and the standards of what constitutes date rape are very low. Shockingly so. As well on some campuses feminist groups are allowed to make advocacy presentations (which amount to their own prosecutions), while male defandant’s right to cross examine the witness/accusor may be non existent.
Being kicked out of college for rape, so noted on your transcript, is a life damaging event for college men previously headed for the upper middle class or better.
It’s appalling, truly appalling where radical feminists are now taking universities.
But it hasn’t YET, gotten to anything like standards in almost any state. Though there may be some jurisdictions. I hear Washington state is particularly bad. Welmer territory.
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“I’d like to get your opinion on this Laura.”
Not Laura, but I am female. (I probably need a better name than Anony if I’m going to comment twice in one day).
Doug-sounds like a good plan.
Breastfeeding is beneficial for many reasons, one of which is reduced need for orthdontic intervention later in life, breastfeeding leads to better jaw development, which NO amount of sucking cock (as an adult) will improve (either in terms of length of time and/or number of cocks).
Seriously, though, it’s interesting to consider that feminists/women’s lib is responsible for encouraging and promoting formula feeding so women have “freedom.” Mind boggling that feminists would support and encourage women using artificial substitutes manufactured by corporations responsible for the gender wage gap. I wonder if they think Enfamil and Nestle have all female execs?
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JR
You know absolutely nothing. I’m a lawyer, graduated from a top five law school in the law review, the one of the leading NYC law firms for big money, before that Stanford. Didn’t stay in law that long, something better and greener in several ways; still follow legal things from time to time, aside from what’s tied up with what I do do.
Ever heard of specific performance of a contract? That’s when a party, someone, is physically FORCED ultimately at gunpoint and jail, to honor the terms of the contract. Happens all the time, legally. Not the most usual contract remedy true, but happens all the time.
Ignoramus.
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“Actually they by and large haven’t actually succeeded in going this far in the actual criminal law or most jury instructions but their sure trying hard as hell to get there and there’s a campaign on for sure. ”
Granted, as you say, it’s much worse in universities where nobody dares speak up against it. On the other hand, given the nature of the crime, the evidence often seems to boil down to a he said/she said thing, and the codes that limit the nature of evidence that the defendant can use seem to have gone far beyond that originally contemplated by most people. Having their hands tied like this, I suspect a lot of attorneys advise their male defendants to plead out to a lesser crime rather than risk going to the jury without all the evidence.
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Feminazi, I admire how calm and collected you are while talking to some of these really rude and aggressive guys.
Game is immoral because it uses innocent, young, vulnerable, inexperienced women. It is much easier to work this game on them than even on a slightly older woman who has learned about men from her own experience. Game is for some of those guys who desire something which they do not deserve – average guys who opt for young 8, 9s and 10s (using your own terminology). Game will not give you lasting results if you want a long term relationship with a quality woman because sooner or later she will see through the manipulation. You cannot play around the real male worth such as good looks or material wealth that most women value men for. Guys here propagating Game while they can’t even pick up a check or take a beautiful woman on a vacation. 🙂 At the end of the day an alpha is an alpha and a beta is a beta (such as Rosy here). You can’t talk or manipulate your way around it. You can get the girl drunk and that is the worst. Using a women while she’s intoxicated. But then again the game is only about how to sneak into a woman’s pants, instead of acting like a dignified man.
Jaclyn is an extreme case, but she makes some good points. If you dislike her so much, why so much attention is being paid to her? So she’s fat, terrible, opinionated. You don’t have to fuck her do you? Leave her alone in her misery and rejoice how an ultra feminist is single instead of dissecting her. In fact, she is the mirror of many guys here – the other side of the coin. She is too demanding, too picky – possibly because she does not really want a commitment. Her pickiness is a form of averting guys in her life. Why so much focus on her? Focus on the 20 year old hotties instead.
Many outspoken, professional women are long term relationships, with kids. Many overweight women are. Many women in their thirties still get into long term relationships – some with much older guys, some with younger and some with their own age group. Many men are not intimidated by professional women. Some men actually enjoy it because pooling resources makes their life better too.
Intelligent and successful women can give a lot to their kids. Because the standard from which the kid will rise will already be much higher. A professional diplomat or a scholar can teach their kid 3-5 languages from early on, making her kids more competitive in the future.
Many here tend to mix up feminism with the raunch culture that surfaced in 2000. Mainstreaming of pornography, MTV culture that portrays women as whores (since this is what the men like a lot, men want women to put out and the young girls see that the biggest social worth will be placed on them if they put out and oversexualize themselves). Feminism has always been very much against that.
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“Ever heard of specific performance of a contract? That’s when a party, someone, is physically FORCED ultimately at gunpoint and jail, to honor the terms of the contract. ”
Ok, but presumably your not suggesting that courts order specific performance for sex.
The problem with Marriage 2.0 is that the she can breach the contract and then sue the nonbreacher for exhorbitant damages.
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Girls, or in this case, fat fuck middle age cunts like this waste of life are hilarious. How can they be so delusional in thinking that any guy, and I mean any guy in the world, would find them desirable? Are you kidding me?
You are middle age. Fail. You are a size 16. Fail. You are a psycho feminist cunt. Fail.
How can this bitch possibly think she deserves anything other than dying alone with her cat in her 100 sq foot apartment? She is worthless.
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JR–
Crap. Islam doesn’t agree.
Classically Christianity didn’t agree.
I seriously doubt Hinduism agreed.
I know Chinese civilization hasn’t agree.
Only Marxist feminism agrees. And some precursor hyper chivalric Brit pansy chivalry semi agreed. Semi. Married woman’s duty but man shouldn’t force it kind of thing. Well I agree with the shouldn’t, in the vast majority of circumstances, but not to the extent doesn’t have the right to.
This is particularly true when a woman can get a divorce at will.
However women should never be able to get economic claims on their ex husbands at will. Or by and large at all ever. Only the in most eggregious caees of male abandonment, not I didn’t say male “adultery” which isn’t serious at all in the great majority of cases, except by first wave and since feminist lunacy in calculating service to feminist power grabbing and unfair male burdening when they feel like it in divorce.
Make it work bitches, or find another man to make it work with, who will support you enough for you on balance satisfaction.
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JR
No.
We’ve gone unapologeticly anti-feminist. Not non, anti.
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this is what size 16 looks like i guess, i had no clue
http://entertainmentjam.polijam.com/?p=9
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@ JR
I started reading your conversation with Doug1 after posting my comment. I can see why you would think you had stumbled into some brain-damaged town of the crazies.
It seems bizarre to me as well that some men don’t distinguish forced sex as being either morally wrong or properly concieved of as criminal. But it isn’t surprising either.
Outside the comfy blankets of civil law, the world is all good intentions confronted with dicks and assholes. Not much better under the covers, by the way. Some people confuse common occurence—or their own unshakeable desires—with validation (ie. rape is common, murder is common, drug use is common—they must be natural and therefore valid.)
That’s very thoughtless, in my view. Again, though, not surprising. Most people seem to be very thoughtless most of the time. That’s okay. They only make us look smarter.
Doug1 seems to indicate that civil law is a farce—that US Laws are a false construction of feminist nonsense, that marital rape is historically normal and therefore validated. Maybe so, Doug1. Therefore, following your line of thinking, if my daughter came to me crying—telling me that her husband had forced her to have sex—I would probably be just as defiant in regards to civil law.
I would make my daughter a widow. End of fucking story.
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Married men leave women for younger models, e.g., when they’re tired of their “old, overweight” wives. This blog is full about how women are worthless after 30. So why can’t a female leave a husband that she no longer finds sexually attractive or feels he is an emotional and physical burden (the double burden is hard – making both money and working at home after the money making work).
The most immoral thing that this game presumes is that there is no real love between men and women. That there is only the male sexual desire and women’s vanity. Romantic love exists, both men and women love, and romantic love is the most important thing. That mixed with good sex is happiness.
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@ Nutz “The Spearhead article from the other day nailed it. Guys went for her, but found her constant griping and polital advocacy grating to say the least, learned their lesson, and subsequently date politically moderate women thereafter. Is it really that surprising?” and Feminazi.
Anyone who’s identity and personality is that tied to their ideology is automatically less attractive, regardless of what that ideology is. If you can’t go on a casual date without bringing up rape culture and patriarchal oppression how the fuck do you expect to project any image other than a bitching harpy cunt? Ideology =/= identity.
Loud and excessive political advocacy is simply not sexy. That’s not say that people shouldn’t be politically informed citizens, but when that kind of advocacy is a major aspect of who you are as a person, you come off as a very hollow and empty human being. That it’s radical feminism definitely doesn’t help, but personally I would apply this to any ideology.
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@Skadi
“Married men leave women for younger models, e.g., when they’re tired of their “old, overweight” wives. This blog is full about how women are worthless after 30. So why can’t a female leave a husband that she no longer finds sexually attractive or feels he is an emotional and physical burden (the double burden is hard – making both money and working at home after the money making work). ”
Well, the scenario you describe is not as common as some on here make it out to be (much less than so than it used to be). But, even if it were, the married man in that case does not fleece her for all her money and then make her a wage slave for 20 years on his way out the door.
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sometimes you write such bullshit, pure unrepentant bullshit.
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@ Skadi
“Married men leave women for younger models, e.g., when they’re tired of their “old, overweight” wives. This blog is full about how women are worthless after 30. So why can’t a female leave a husband that she no longer finds sexually attractive or feels he is an emotional and physical burden (the double burden is hard – making both money and working at home after the money making work).
The most immoral thing that this game presumes is that there is no real love between men and women. That there is only the male sexual desire and women’s vanity. Romantic love exists, both men and women love, and romantic love is the most important thing. That mixed with good sex is happiness.”
The difference is that the exact things men are told to do are what ends up making them unattractive and tiresome to their wives because society is unable to collectively admit to itself that male dominance triggers female attraction. Further, legally, a man has a lot more to lose from a divorce. If a woman got tired of her betaized pussywhipped husband, she actually gets financial benefit from divorcing him, but the same is untrue of a wealthy alpha businessman who gets tired of his old, overweight wife.
Nobody is advocating for people to be forced into long term monogomous relationships with people they aren’t attracted to anymore, but the legal consequences of ending such a relationship need to be even for both parties. A 50% split of assets assumes that women, on average, earn as much as the men they’re married to. This assumption is simply untrue due to the hypergamous nature of female sexuality.
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The funny thing about Skadi’s argument is that she presupposes that men want a long term relationship with a quality woman.
While this used to be the ideal, in the modern west most men have realized that it’s a pipe dream to have something long-lasting with a high-quality woman.
Due to women’s sense of hypergamy they will never be content in a long-term relationship if they truly are “quality”, meaning they have lots of other options. I have never seen a “quality” woman remain faithful to any one man for very long, no matter how dashing and successful he was. They always have one eye on the revolving door of suitors, constantly screening for one who is better than what they currently have, unless you are in super-alpha status (less than 1% of population).
In this scenario, smart men have realized that long commitments are for sucker betas, and we are better off remaining independent. We can use game to sleep with young attractive women year after year, taking advantage of the very weapon that was wielded against us in our twenties: female hypergamy.
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I like how the photo of Jessica in the front page of the article (much dating profiles photos) hides the fact that this woman has a pillsbury doughboy arms and a big gut!:
Looks like the only thing she spoke about lying to a man about her actual size (size 16) was too close to the truth.
As for Jessica Velanti, its just a matter of time before she goes the lesbian route, because her eunuch husband has smaller dick then her clit.
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People are different. Some women really dig the male aggressiveness and dominance, some like a gentleman. I would never want to be with a sexist man who tries to dominate over me. Only a guy who is charming, sexually attractive, with a high standard for himself (not drinking or whoring around), can be over me.. in fact, such a guy makes me soft naturally while interacting with him. Macho guys are repulsive, guys with quality (white knights) are attractive. Beta guys who are family oriented, supportive, faithful, and who are tender towards the woman are really awesome too. Work ethic is attractive. I agree with what Femi said – guys who have real, authentic male quality, don’t need game.
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“This assumption is simply untrue due to the hypergamous nature of female sexuality.”
It’s untrue for a many reasons beyond that. Even those who marry partners with equal financial prospects find themselves in this position for a variety of reasons. Examples:
1. The job/career that potentially earns a lot turns out to be not as “fulfilling” as she fantized that it would be, so in order that she stop complaining 24/7 and being a shrew, he agrees that it’s probably a good idea if she pursues that career as a novelist that she always envisioned (never mind that they she never makes a nickel at it and never mind that he keeps slaving away at the soul sucking job to make ends meet.
2. She has children, and between kids and hormones, finds work too stressful. To some extent I sympathize here, because a lot of the home burden will fall on her – although it goes beyond that. The guy never really has the option to emphasize work at home the way she does because (i) employers don’t tolerate that and (ii) guys know deep down that such women can’t be counted on in the long run to keep their careers and tolerate house husbands (those guys who don’t intuitively get this end up burned). So he rightly resist compromising his career and she happily (because she really hated work all along) stays home with kids for a while.
In either case, he’s fucked when she grows tired of him.
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“sane” men…well I suppose if there’s a shortage on those, someone will figure out a way to market the “other” category, everyone will be happy, and the world will continue to spin on its axis at its present angle for a while longer.
Wash thoroughly, repeat twice.
Boil water.
Empty pot.
Put lettuce on plate.
Throw stereo out 2nd story window onto the street.
Mix well.
Voila – lobster.
Someone needs to get their gun and wait for the next “lolz”, it’s for everyone’s best interests really. We should go back to discussing whatever it was we were discussing ..wait…what were we talking about again? I was thinking about whether or not dogs are telepathic, and whether or not we’ve been wrong all this time to think that humans are the most advanced species on the planet.
Note to self: remember to bring toaster upstairs when planning to take a bath, and extension cord.
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Dally, I’m aware that Rosy and these other players and bitter guys or much older guys don’t want LTRs.
[editor: why do you put words in my mouth? hm? does it bother you to know that i have written right here on this blog of the beauty of LTRs, that i love being in relationships? does lying about my views like a fucking piece of shit help keep your narrative pure?
just asking.]
They just want easy sex without real investment. Such guys are not marriage material, thus not interesting to normal women. Besides they are betraying those very family values that you keep lamenting about. They are betraying their European heritage.
But there are still some guys out there who want stable relationships. Those are the guys that women focus on, while rest are discarded.
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I think this post was badly written, sorry, i think you could have done better. I understand your frustration but you have done better,,
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Doug,
I definitely think there are a lot of benefits to a mother staying home with her children when they are young. I think it’s a shame that it is so difficult for a lot of families to get by on one income. Women sometimes talk about spending “quality” time with their children, rather than just “quantity” time like a stay at home mother would. The truth is that when you are with your children all day you do interact with them even if you’re not sitting on the floor playing games with them the whole time.
It can be a little boring and the days can be long, but it is actually a nice life for a woman and the children. When the kids get a little older they are good company and you can do a lot of fun and sometimes educational things with them.
As far as hiring a caregiver, I do know some wonderful caregivers, so I think that can work. I’m guessing it’s fairly expensive, though.
I have to say of the few working women I know, they have good jobs that they went to school for years for and I can imagine that can be hard to give up. A lot of companies also have very generous maternity leaves. It is easier to walk away from a not very well paying job that you don’t like very much, as was the case with me.
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JR–
You’re such an utterly weged, pussy, feminist suckup you utterly disgust me.
Oh like men thrown in jail for not paying lifetime alimony to women who have feminist work alternatives, but may have decided to lollygag on their husband for years (woe be a man who tries to “force” his wife to contribute financially to the best of her ability when all the kids are in school, or even there full time). Oh that’s not being physically compelled? you sorry, utterly stupid, oblivious excuse for a male.
As I’ve said. Idiot. Utter idiot.
Do you even know what thinking is?
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“I would make my daughter a widow. End of fucking story.”
How about if your son was jailed for marital rape charge?
Or his wife used it to advantage herself in case of a divorce?
Rationality goes out of the window once a scenario involving someone close to you is proposed.Turn the characters and one sings a different tune.
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Let me qualify something I said: I have seen attractive, high-value women remain faithful in long-term relationships, but only when they either entered the relationship young, or never were that promiscuous. A woman’s ability to commit is inversely proportionate to the number of rides she’s taken on the cock carousel.
This is why I believe older men often seek younger brides: they are the only girls who are not ruthlessly hypergamous and jaded from years of being a toy for bad boys.
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Most obnoxious EVER?? You’re bypassing Hillary,nancy Pelosi,Ruth Ginsberg,not to mention the old yentas on the View…the list is almost inexhaustible! This por creature is hardly the worst of the bunch. She dated “trannies”??? hello..ISSUES!
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“I agree with what Femi said – guys who have real, authentic male quality, don’t need game.”
Throughout the western world, though there are bound to be exceptions, this is simply untrue. Being a gentleman and a good potential father is simply not enough anymore for a man to find a quality woman, and I don’t mean quality purely in 1-10 looks but quality as in suitable wife and mother.
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Nice guy? I don’t give a shit. Good father? Fuck you! Go home and play with your kids. You wanna impress me and get a taste of this pussy – close! You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can’t take this, how can you take the abuse you get from your fat nagging wife and her divorce lawyer??
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I’ve been in a society where using force to secure sex from your wife is effectively allowed.
It is not used because:
A) The women know what their duty is. They have other ways of ensuring he does not have access if they’re really, really not in the mood.
B) He loses interest first.
It is not so tragic if it happens because:
A) He’s her partner. Nothing shocking or new here.
B) If she doesn’t like him, she can leave him.
C) She doesn’t feel victimised.
It is useful because:
A) Her family and herself choose a man who demonstrates that he is good. There are real consequences for her if the choice is wrong.
B) She behaves with the expectation that sex will happen, and rarely uses withdrawing sex as a psychological weapon.
Possible negatives:
A) Psychological damage to her should her husband suddenly change personality or she herself does, resulting in unwanted sex and permanent issues. Feelings of inadequacy because of deflecting blame to herself.
B) Cultural negatives. e.g. a marriage she didn’t want to enter into in the first place/ having no recourse if she leaves him/ genuine substantiated threats.
B does not happen in this context. A is going to be a rare occurrence — but not ridiculously tragic — and worth the benefits.
Effectively, you’re making an ideological human rights blanket principalist argument versus a practical argument with regards to the law.
It’s a good good intentioned emotional response to this. At least acknowledge the utility of revoking the law. Paradoxically, it will reduce greatly situations in which marital rape might be in danger of occuring.
So which is more ethical: declaring marital rape is not acceptable and therefore increasing its incidence/other side effects that terribly damage the marital institution, or declaring marital rape acceptable and preventing it occuring?
It’s a terrible dilemma, but the virtuous’ answer seems to be the latter.
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Laura–
Thanks.
You seem like a lovely woman, and have to me for some time.
I agree that a certain young brain formative times especially, a deeply loving and intelligent mother who does spend lots and lots of time at home with her couple of kids, can make an enormous difference. And herself all in lead a pretty satisfying life.
I guess I do think that later on, with kids in school and then almost full time school (which I think should be full time, until five at least sort of thing school by middle school, with mandatory but elective activities) that women can and should return to work. I mean with washers and dryers, dishwashers, and vacuums, microwaves and timed cooking devices of various sorts, all very affordable/financible by two parent working families even if lower middle class American if they haven’t gone overboard on the house cost, the home demands of women without pre school children have become much less, even if it doesn’t make sense economically to hire “help”. But in these cases without much or any “help”, yeah not until all in school at least half time.
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@theJoeBot,
When you say you would kill your son in law for his forcing sex on your daughter, what is the basis for this action? Is there a grey area, or is it black and white?
I’m not married, and it looks as though I never will. How far will we shift the moral compass until men are simpering lapdogs?
Is a wife having sex with her husband now considered a criminal offense? How many salsa lessons must a man attend before a wife lowers herself to sleep with her own husband?
I can’t wait until our culture commits demographic suicide, and there are no children to be found anywhere in any American city because women have refused to reproduce. I’ll be in Thailand smugly enjoying myself while you regulate your son in law’s access to his wife.
Nothing personal…just my two cents.
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Skadi,
I see your point, it definitely does seem like some of the men on here have no interest in anything long term or marriage. However, I think maybe what some of them are trying to say is that it is up to the women of a society to set the sexual mores more then the men. It is easier for us to resist and often we have more to lose from casual sex then they do. I think in the past unmarried men would have had very little access to sex, with the exceptions of really trashy women and prostitutes. That must have compelled many of them to want to get married. Now that women so freely jump into bed with men, they don’t have to get married for regular sex or affection.
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By the way, I highly doubt Feminazi is a genuine feminist. If by defining feminist, we mean a woman who fights for women’s rights and loves women. Which could be totally redefining the word feminist.
She doesn’t support men bettering themselves at projecting attractiveness to women. She wants a smaller pool of attractive men, which means she is against the interests of other women.
Also by stating ‘natural’, she seems to state that human beings have predetermined routes to their behaviour and role in life, which presumably includes women.
I don’t think she’s frightened anyone here, so by this logic she must not be a feminist.
Now, here, she believes any woman who falls for the tactics of seducers is psychologically deranged. This means that any women who is attracted to these men is psychologically damaged. We know that’s a lot of women.
Who else made that argument? The evil patriarchal Victorians for one.
This women does not sound like much of a feminist to me.
(P.S. Admitted: some of the above is not in total seriousness.)
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Bhetti–
I suspect your highly intelligent cross cultural thinking is WAY beyond the ken of most of the feminist suckups here. Most as in all or almost all of them.
Bhetti is a third year honors (in her case top 10%) London medical student with an Arab Muslim background, child to upper middle class internationalist parents in a strong female family. Yeah she’s multicultural and yeah she’s smart.
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@Skadi – you’re a loser, go away to a femsite where you belong.
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Feminazi, I admire your steadfastness in the face of the invective and abuse disguised as argument. You write well and are obviously very smart. That said, our worldviews could not be more different. Some of the (presumably male) posters have been crass in their expression, but the larger point is correct.
The article about Ms. Friedman is, after stripping away her bravado, a complaint that she can’t find a guy. There have been some valid observations here about how she is pushing away exactly the type of guy she is looking for, but that should not obscure the larger point, which is that she is alone and doesn’t like it. For pretty good reasons, lightning will have to strike for her to find a guy worth finding. Maybe another woman in her shoes would be fine being alone. But she’s not, and it leaps out of the article.
I’m a little short on empirical studies proving this, but being fat, obnoxious, overeager to seek out offence and provoke conflict, and promiscuous over a several-year period is a surefire way to repel guys. Maybe it gets you an assistance professorship at some Northeastern college, but not a guy.
A case in point, for what it’s worth. I’m mid forties. Own three houses, and make a little north of 750k per year, and have for several years. Came from modest beginnings. There is not a chance on this earth I’d buy this woman even coffee to listen to her explain how the world did her wrong while looking for a reason to take offence to some gesture or word I innocently used.
On the other hand, I get approached routinely by women in their twenties. Educated, lean, attractive without being slutty. A little young for my taste, but compared to this woman? Not even close. She will be complaining for a long time.
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Atrain: Barf. Puke. Vomit. Holy shit is that the beast? Why are women so repulsively fat and vile looking even alive? Seriously. What purpose do they serve? Instead of bitching and moaning, this dumb bitch needs to go on a starvation diet and tie herself to a treadmill until she collapses from exhaustion.
She doesn’t even look human.
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—-Need some game advice—-
Yesterday at the Gym
Me to Her : “Hey Muscles.. you finished with that bench”
Her: “Yeah your sweet to go”
Me: “I dont see many girls doing bench press whats your story”
Her: “I am a pole dancer and need to keep my strength up”
Me unimpressed:” Good for you”
an hour later she comes back and starts chit chatting excessively about all her other PDancing friends.
Me still unimpressed: ” see you later ”
and then i and walked off.
So how do I close her in the next ew gym meetings???
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I have not really followed this whole wife raping conversation, but I have to say the idea of a man raping his wife is a little bit humorous. I know there are some really loser husbands out there, but in most case I would think the wife would be flattered her husband still found her attractive. I read an article in the Daily Mail recently about women who were married to men who didn’t want to sleep with them and they seemed pretty upset about it. Your husband not wanting to be with you would definitely be more humiliating.
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For those who were wondering, this is the article I was referring to earlier:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/03/27/feminists-not-all-that-impressed-by-manginas/
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@MfA: Good moving walking away. Now stay away FOREVER. Pole-dancers are PnDs on a good day. Not someone you should exert any effort on, except in an well-it’s-right-in-front-of-me sense. I have fucked this kind – can be fun, briefly – but sex workers (that’s what she is, wake up; the differences between her and a prozzie are cosmetic) are generally so hard-bitten and damaged you don’t want to have an actual convo.
I wouldn’t fuck her with your dick, but if you do, wear two rubbers. Seriously.
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@ Jacko
None taken. I have no daughters from Thailand, so you shouldn’t have to worry about it.
The only thing black about my statement is the gaping hole… The only thing white is the knuckle on the trigger…
The grey matter is seeping through a tiny hole…
Nah! Just kidding! Even NRA members don’t come up with shit that crass!
I suppose I agree with namae nanka’s contention that one’s reaction is very different when the accused is close to home. I have had friends who were falsely accused of rape, and I will defend them to the end. If I am wrong—and they are guilty—then they deserve whatever hell comes down on them.
It is nearly impossible to be impartial. And if you can’t be impartial, it’s probably not a good idea to crack open the gun case and start dispensing Justice like you were in a Steven Segal movie.
On the other hand, anyone who messes with my family had better leave no tracks.
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@feminazi:
“You boys have to rely on ‘game’ to bully, lie and trick women into sleeping with and/or dating you.”
The use of ‘boys’ as to imply immaturity.Nice try girly. 🙂
It’s an assault on girls’ intelligence to say that they are tricked by game.Lying and bullying are way off target.
“You need a website to teach you how to be ‘alpha’ when clearly someone who truly was so wouldn’t NEED teaching.”
So nature wins out here? 🙂
It’s highly amusing that when it comes to being alpha suddenly you can’t win against the “true” nature; while just about every other mental capability and exertion and the whole of society is explainable by internalized cultural forces.
Doesn’t this kinda cognitive dissonance make your head explode?
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Looking back at my last comment, I have to ask myself… Is the hole gaping or tiny?
My grandpappy always told me that such things depend on whether you approach the front or the back…
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i want to jizz on biktopia’s face
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dougie,
it’s cute how you begin and end every comment with an insult. does it steel your resolve in the face of being so obviously deluded? it’s also cute how you qualify yourself by throwing out your resume.
being a lawyer, i would think you could understand a simple argument. in this case there are two relevant questions: (1) does entering into marriage confer to women an obligation to provide sex when the man wants it? (2) does the man have the right to use force to make his wife fulfill that obligation?
you spend a lot of time ranting about the first, when my comments are mostly about the second. the two arguments are related, but they are not the same. let’s see if you can wrap your super-logical stanford mind around that.
as for the first, personally i don’t buy it. that doesn’t make me a feminist. it makes me someone who believes in individual freedom and the enlightenment thinking that is the basis for our society.
good. those are all societies in which i have no desire to live.
as for the second question, it doesn’t matter what sort of contract you have with someone. there is no situation in which an individual would be justified in using force to compel another individual to fulfill a contractual obligation.
who is doing the forcing? if i pay joe the plumber a hundred bucks to fix my sink tomorrow and when tomorrow rolls around joe says that he’d rather take the day off and go fishing, what can i do? i can take joe to court and the judge can order him to either pay me back or do the work. what i can’t do is go down to the fishing hole, pistol whip joe, drag him back to my place and force him to fix my sink at gun point. yes, he is contractually obligated, but i would still be guilty of assault and kidnapping and whatever else.
see how that works? even if a wife is contractually obligated to provide sex, forcing her against her will is rape, plain and simple. and, honestly, if a man needs to resort to violence or to the law to get his wife to have sex with him, he’s either mad beta or married to the wrong woman; it’s probably both.
really? i disgust you. that’s intense, dude. your arguments are ridiculous, but i can’t say that i’ve given you all that much thought.
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Quick question for the board:
If Doug1 and JR got into a fist fight… on a 6′ diameter log… wearing nothing but women’s bikinis and armed with razor-tipped dildos… all over a frenzied pit of crocodiles… on a Thursday afternoon…
Who would win the civil suit? I’ve got my money on Doug1. He is the lawyer, after all.
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@joebot
Depends. Does the winner get to rape your daughter? If so, I’ll go with Doug. But without the incentive of forced copulation with your daughter, Doug might lose focus over his attraction for JR in a bikini.
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in the end, you are physically forcing the person to fulfill their obligation, or physically punishing them one way or another
maybe you’ll have a police officer do it for you
maybe you’ll have the court take away money and force the person to work more hours, or starve
but in one way or another, physical enforcement is the basis behind contracts… it’s not a mental thing where the punishment is that the malfeasor feels oh so terribly bad that he/she broke terms
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hah
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“And yet, there’s Jacklyn Friedman, a cougar whose snatch has been fisted out so many times in her twenties that all the kegel exercises in the world can’t get her to grip anything except for the bulbous head of a hitachi magic wand which she shoves into herself while crying into her Cheetos as her cat looks on.”
Such a sad, but hilarious and realistic image.
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“What is the difference between sex with a pro-sex feminist and sex with a pro-sex normal woman? Earplugs.”
Classic. Words cannot do this justice.
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This whole marital rape thing is silly except for the way it can provide another weapon useful to a woman to gain leverage against her beloved husband. It comes down to this: the legal system plus her willingness to lie = his nightmare.
If a wife hates the idea of a little of the old in-out with her husband enough to physically resist it, she commits fraud by staying in the home and taking his resources. She is caught out as a cruel deceiver by her actions. Women understand this. Why should anyone ever take her side?
JoeBot
An excellent reason to not make your daughter into a widow is that the young mans family would then make your wife into a widow. And possibly look with lascivious interest at your now helpless daughter, that they might feel free to “reclaim”.
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It was a trick question, Anon. How you got the answer is beyond me.
I suppose one should never underestimate the anonymous blogger.
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@ Rum
You must have heard about Tennessee feuds. And you’re right, that is a good reason. Just not good enough for me.
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Fuck you! Fuck the whole lot of you!
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Doug1,
Is a man obligated to fuck his wife? ….even if he isn’t into it?
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An honest answer.
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uggh
Yes, if she blows him first. I think that is in the scriptures somewhere.
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Rum
Agreed.
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“Is a man obligated to fuck his wife? ….even if he isn’t into it?”
If she’s strong enough to hold him down on his back while coaxing an erection out of him.
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Late to the game, but this isn’t Roissy anymore. The wit is subpar. Roissy has subcontracted his blog to some lesser man. If this keeps up, this will be no place to bookmark.
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Thank you Doug1,
You are vile, but consistent.
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The other day in a yoga class, Pupu shocked herself, twisting and turning like a pretzel – doughy and effortless. Only at that moment, she realized the key to yogic mastery is the loss of mass.
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uggh-
I think so yes.
Note I’m not saying for men or women, absolutely as much as the other may want. But a reasonable amount. Efforts.
But there are requirements too.
I do think it matters huge who’s supporting who and how much. I’m sorry if a guy picked importantly for being hot is being supported by his wife, to a large or complete degree, he’d better be sexually pleasing her. Now I don’t personally think this kind of sexual dynamic/balance is likely at all often to be stable, but t he principle is there.
I feel the same when the man is much more than half supporting the wife. She’d better keep sexually pleasing her or I think she’d have a very low to no right on his money on his divorcing her. (And I’d write the prenup accordingly.) Yeah of course money=resources=social claims matter. A lot. Other things too.
Now I think either the man or the woman who aren’t into sexing their spouses anymore, or never were and can no longer stand it, should be free to leave. With none of their spouse’s money.
As for kids I think it should always be HUGE presumption, predilection, prove it’s really wrong, joint equal physical custody, divided in various ways. With no child support or “equalizing payments” from one parent to another, but only equally required, in accordance withe the lower spender, directly on all child support costs. Of course more by one than the other could be given case by case or agreed longer term, but not by court mandate. Or one parent could “buy” the agreement of the other to be primary care giver, and a negotiated cost. But mostly I’d like to see true joint physical custody.
Which means no one can move elsewhere and take the kids with them, except by mutual agreement, which should be officially and truly discouraged. A legit exception might be if the overwhelmingly or entirely economically supporting parent is job assigned elsewhere, the non financial parent would have to go along with to retain rights to joint shared custody. I’m sorry, her sexual interests and relations in remaining where she is, as opposed to his job mandating, or a big increase luring him to move elsewhere, lose in the PARENTING parsing, or certainly should.
Reform American and Brit Family Court. It’s rotten, and horrifically misandrist.
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The JoeBot:
My intention in putting the opposing viewpoint was in order to make the discussion objective.
It is very easy to find people who try to rationalize rape or forced sex as sick or whacko when one has been fed the argument “what if it happened to your female relation?”,
while being devoid of “what if it your male relation happened to be on the receiving end of a rape allegation?”
“It seems bizarre to me as well that some men don’t distinguish forced sex as being either morally wrong or properly concieved of as criminal. ”
Criminality is accorded by law, morality hasn’t got a say there.Law can change and criminality can be got rid of.
Forced sex being morally wrong depends on the subject.
Violence(not simply force) to get sex from your spouse is morally wrong imo, also recognised by the law as a crime.
But if a friend of mine is charged with marital rape, I will try to play with my morality and find out reasons why it could have been justified.
The other aspect is about what “forced” is.Just how far can you place this line before it becomes morally wrong or criminal? Defining that is very subjective.
I could argue that since men are more excitable(just for the sake of it) then dirty talk by their spouses is “forcing” sex on them.Nagging or shaming can be another form of such force.And of course if their spouse is stronger than them, then they might be simply intimidated into doing the act. 🙂
These assertions are absurd on the face of it but then it’s similarly irrational to banish the use of any degree of physical force in a relationship that is inherently based on physical intimacy between two persons.
Also it might be argued that it’s immoral to deny your partner sex to the point that they have no other recourse than to force it out of you.
That you would rather not have any sex than having a less than fulfilling experience should be immoral and hence the morality of resulting actions should be viewed in light of this.
The killing of your son-in-law can be moral, from both of our perspectives, but if your daughter remarries in a month while you go on trial, I will know where my morality should have been in the first place.Not really bizarre at all.
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A Seurat made with bashing blood spray.
Compensation in da houze!
LOL
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““Is a man obligated to fuck his wife? ….even if he isn’t into it?”
If she’s strong enough to hold him down on his back while coaxing an erection out of him.”
haha, of course no efforts should go unrewarded, morality agrees.
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uggh–
Oh I STRONGLY believe in so called “double standards” between men and women in some cases. Because the sexes are not entirely and probably not mostly a “social construct”. There are very real differences which call for very real different standards in some areas.
For example the stud vs. slut area. Oh sluts are fine to fuck if hot, or even hottish and easy, including for alphas, well it’s mostly alphas that do); just woe be to idiot trusting, hoping, lie believing betas (cause mostly only betas will, not alphas) who decide to marry them.
Sluts which most definitely includes so called “former” sluts, should most definitely not be married by any man. At least if he faces the threat of American feminist Divorce 2.0 theft threat.
Am I making myself clear?
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Keep up the great work.
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Roissy said: There’s gotta be an iron law of the land that states the less desirable the woman, the kinkier she is in bed. Compensation in da houze!
I agreed with virtually everything except the above statement.
Enjoying variety in your sex life means you must be ugly?
Does this hold true for men also?
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“Back in her day, JF wasn’t terrible looking. Around a 5 or 6:”
Looks like her sunset has a hippo wallow in the foreground.
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I realise my response must come across as a bit shirty.
Oh, bollocks…a BRITISH feminist, even worse than the American variety.
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lolol “logic”
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Aiiiggh! Run, don’t walk, in the opposite direction.
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@ Doug1
I’m starting to think nice, practicing Muslim girls are the only ‘marriage material’ girls left on the planet. I’ve met quite a few charming, funny, feminine, chaste Muslim girls like this on campus. A good head on their shoulders, and a realistic world view when it comes to matters of sex and gender. Rather than the exception as some would think, Bhetti seems to represent the Muslim female majority in this regard.
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man, why are you even bothering with this drivel?
I stumbled onto that story earlier, too one quick glance and immediately went to another site.
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Romantic love exists, both men and women love, and romantic love is the most important thing. That mixed with good sex is happiness.
Neither lasts a lifetime. That’s why marriage is so unstable today (at least in countries like the US where people still marry). Romance cools into “normal” settled love (which is comforting but not exciting enough for many women who feel like they are entitled to 24/7 romance for a lifetime) and sex with the same person for 30+ years, I don’t care what you do in terms of variety and spice and whatever, just isn’t the same as it was. Just isn’t.
Marriage can’t be a stable institution if it’s based on soulmates, romantic love and good sex. There need to be brass tacks reasons to remain married, and right now there aren’t many for a lot of couples. Hence high divorce rates. Just a fact of life. Basing the quality of marriage on romance and good sex over the long haul is a recipe for serial monogamy.
Now you may say, big deal who cares. Well, serial monogamy leads to lower male investment in themselves and their kids and the broader culture, because it implies divorce, which implies men being separated from their children (the norm in the US), which disincents men from marrying or remarrying. It also screws up children who on all levels fare worse than children from intact homes.
But, screw it. Personal autonomy and personal happiness makes for a nice God. Especially for the young and the hot.
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Doug1
Your 9:50 post said:
“Now I think either the man or the woman who aren’t into sexing their spouses anymore, or never were and can no longer stand it, should be free to leave. With none of their spouse’s money.”
This is a much more nuanced view of marital relations and one I can agree with.
Your earlier posts led me to believe that a man was entitled to his wife’s body and could use force if sex was withheld. Are women entitled to use force if sex is withheld? Is a man entitled to fuck his wife’s ass regardless of if she wants it or not? Is it entirely money dependent? Whoever earns more gets to call the shots in the bedroom? If wifey earns more than you can she put a strap-on on and made you take it?
Being a good sport in the bedroom and sometimes accommodating your partner when sex might not be the most foremost thing on your mind? …. sure (this includes you too guys) Not having the right say no? …. beyond vile and disgusting. To my mind, the right to bodily integrity is probably one of the most basic there is.
You got side tracked on that post with divorce/ family court reform ….but I agree with you on that.
And easy, no one is making you marry a slut.
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Nathan said: I’m starting to think nice, practicing Muslim girls are the only ‘marriage material’ girls left on the planet. I’ve met quite a few charming, funny, feminine, chaste Muslim girls like this on campus.
I used to live in the “international house” on my college campus. One of the nice, practicing Muslim girls, who was so clearly marriage material, was having a sexual relationship with a grungy white guy who had an aversion to using deoderant. She covered up from head to toe–although not in a burqa–and wore a scarf on her head.
Not to say that many of these girls arent “nice” just like to say, but I also know that many of them can put on an excellent front.
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Keep your eyes very close to this site http://www.blogtalkradio.com/modeone
I managed to get Mystery to be Interviewed by Mode One!
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the interview should be in a couple of weeks LIVE!
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Roissy is back.
“their cries of torment under the lashings of my bulldykewhip striking a dulcet note on weary ears.”…
There’s something really baroque and campy about Roissy’s writing style. The Marquis de Sade of ugly truth.
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Feminists have hairy armpits
Among other things. Yum!
Peter
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@Jamila
Heh. The heart wants what the heart wants. Hope things worked out for them.
In any case, it usually doesn’t take long to tell a front from the real deal once you sit down to talk to a person. And at least they have a good understanding of what kind of front is actually desirable and a better understanding of the ideal worth striving for, even when they themselves may fall short for whatever reason. Its refreshing change from the hordes of empowerful women you meet around these places who are delusional enough to think their ‘experience’ is an asset rather than a turn off.
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Brilliant.
You and Eric Cartman are Gen X role models.
OT, I’m not feeling Citizen Renegade. You’re Roissy.
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Friedman was cute when young and slim. Ugly now when old and fat.
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Holy shit, the GNP guy is back.
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Feminazi, I admire how calm and collected you are while talking to some of these really rude and aggressive guys.
Peeingis immoral because it uses innocent, young, vulnerable, inexperienced urinals. It is much easier to work this game on them than even on a slightly older urinals who has learned about men peeing from her own experience. Game is for some of those guys who desire something which they do not deserve – average guys who opt for young 8, 9s and 10 seconds at a urinal (using your own terminology). Game will not give you lasting results if you want a long term relationship with a quality urinal because sooner or later she will see through the manipulation. You cannot pee around the real male worth such as good looks or material wealth that most women value men for. Guys here propagating Game while they can’t even pick up a check or take a beautiful urinal on a vacation. 🙂 At the end of the day an alpha is an alpha and a beta is a beta (such as Rosy here). You can’t talk or manipulate your way around it. You can get the urinal drunk and that is the worst. Using a urinal while she’s intoxicated. But then again the game is only about how to sneak into a urinal’s cake, instead of taking a dignified pee.
Jaclyn is an extreme case, but she makes some good points for a urinal. If you dislike her so much, why so much attention is being paid to the urinal? So she’s fat, terrible, opinionated, and doesn’t flush on demans. You don’t have to pee in her do you? Leave her alone in her misery and rejoice how an ultra urinal is single instead of dissecting her. In fact, she is the shiny mirror/urinal handle of many guys here – the other side of the urinal cake. She is too demanding, too picky – possibly because she does not really want a commitment from a pee-er. Her pickiness is a form of averting pee-ers in her life. Why so much focus on her? Focus on the 20 year old urinal instead.
Many outspoken, professional urinals are long term relationships, with kids. Many overweight urinals are. Many urinals in their thirties still get into long term relationships – some with much older guys, some with younger and some with their own age group. Many men are not intimidated by professional urinals. Some men actually enjoy it because pooling resources and pee makes their life better too.
Intelligent and successful urinals can give a lot to their kids. Because the standard from which the kid will rise will already be much higher. A professional diplomat urinal or a scholar urinal can teach their kid 3-5 languages from early on, making her kids more competitive in the future when it comes to peeing.
Many here tend to mix up urinalism with the raunch culture that surfaced in 2000. Mainstreaming of pornography, MTV culture that portrays urinals as whores (since this is what the men like a lot, men want urinals to pee in and the young urinals see that the biggest social worth will be placed on them if they get peed in and overurinalize themselves). Urinalism has always been very much against that.
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lozl!
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I think I could fit my fist in her mouth.
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GretBukks
People are different than urinals in one important way: For sentient beings, it is better to get pissed off than pissed on.
If GretBuuukss is sharing with us the way life looks if you are actually a porcelin piss-pot (because he is one) he/she/it will not pass the test.
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Roissy,
saw her pic .. puked my guts out .. cmon roissy, please ridicule someone hot … atleast …
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Jamila: Enjoying variety in your sex life means you must be ugly?
Logic fail, dear. Roissy proposed that uglier implies kinkier. It does not follow from that statement that all kinky girls are ugly. It DOES follow that the less kinky girls are less ugly. Less convolutedly, the implication is that girls who aren’t kinky are probably pretty.
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Holy shit, the GNP guy is back!
And with tasty delights too!
Peter
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Well, at least we can agree that feminists will die with few offspring. The only way they can keep their ideas alive is via recruitment. Like the Shakers. At least the Shakers made good furniture. Unlike that Jewish woman recently profiled in the NY Times who has 2000 living descendants.
These sorry creatures are making a virtue out of a necessity in many cases. That’s OK. They don’t seem fit for marriage or child raising, both of which require putting others ahead of yourself.
We used to think a lot of behavior disorders were learned, but now we now that they are based on biological derangements. Feminists seems seriously deranged.
Some people never learn that giving is more rewarding than getting at many levels.
Winston Churchill: You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give.
He also said: Treat a lady like a whore and a whore like a lady.
Feminists remind me of certain types of gays and lesbians, really. Just never grow up, Peter Pans. Won’t compromise with reality. Just don’t want adult responsibilities.
Another great quote from Churchill regarding the fighting in his son’s marriage to “an American girl.”
“These young people, always taking about love. Why don’t they just get on with it?”
Bottom line: Life and people are very imperfect. Life is not rational but can be very enjoyable. Be very careful who you marry. Take good care of those who properly depend on you. And thank Gawd for commercial sex and beer.
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Grampa
You ignorant slut. Leave Churchill out of this.
His son did not marry an American. Look up Pamela Digby.
BTW, his own mom was an American, whom he adored.
Show me a source for the “whore” quote and I will eat my widescreen TV.
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JR, apparently you’ve never been falsely accused of domestic battery. You seem to think that just laws should be in place so that we can have justice.
If only it were that simple.
You really underemphasize and undercount the number of viscious and insane women in the world. Women are not like men. They can’t handle just laws. They use them wrong. They lie.
Talk to Welmer.
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You’re one of my favorite commentors here, Bhetti. I agree with not only most of what you say, but find the tone of how you say it appealing.
I’m going to disagree on this one point though. I’ve come to the conclusion that women deliberately create the beta class of men in order that pussy can be valued higher in order that the beta class become the provider class.
It is in the interest of women to be hypergamous and to deny free sex to the bulk of men. This puts pressure on men to compete for sex, and to donate more goods.
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Can someone explain to me how Mr. Valenti didn’t win Beta of the Year?
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I wrote about the underpinnings of feminism here (hint: it’s all about hypergamy):
The Underpinnings of Feminism
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The pix of JF and Chloe Mitchell show that “size 16” appears to knock 3 points off the rating (10-1 scale Goddess Stunning Hot Nice Okay Plain Homely Ugly Hideous Monster).
The whole subject of marital rape is hard for me to “get”. If it is an issue then communication/respect problems are so severe that it’s hard to see why the couple isn’t divorced. People should in general accomodate their spouses unless they happen to be ill that day. My wife was depressed a few years ago, we had sex every few months, but she would have still done it whenever I really needed it. Recently she’s been at the opposite extreme, she won’t be happy unless she gets it every night and some days too, and the 1 or 2 nights a week I happen to be exhausted or super-busy and don’t feel like it, I still make it happen.
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“OT, I’m not feeling Citizen Renegade. You’re Roissy.”
It seems impudent to mention it, but it’s gotta be done. Chateau and Citizen Renegade are not worthy as replacement for the original brand of Roissy.
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@Feminazi wrote [picking up young, insecure girls and then making them feel even more insecure is a tried and tested method. It’s also disgusting and something no decent person would do]
Therein lies the essence of modern feminism: trying to fight the idea of older men dating younger women by claiming that a “decent person would date his own age”.
This is effective rhetoric because it pulls in a lot of Christian evangelist women over 35, which is the factor that ultimately allowed feminism to prevail on Capitol Hill.
The NOW did a press release on the Letterman/Palin fight saying “We believe Letterman was referring to the 18 year old Bristol but the idea of a 34 year old Arod with an 18 year old is violent imagery that must be stopped.”
Laws like VAWA and IMBRA are meant to severely discourage men dating much younger foreign women whom the feminists derisively call “mail order brides” to belittle them and pretend that they must necessarily be financially insecure in order to have an interest in the men the feminists want for themselves.
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@Roissy – Your headlines are cool but they continue to ignore search engine optimization principles plus they fail to be descriptive enough either for viral spreading via social media or as anchor text in back links from other blogs and, dare I say, regular media.
You would want back links to this post to be something like “Feminist Openly Admits She’s Not Attracted to Men Who Agree With Her.”
Although that line isn’t keyword-rich, it states your case in one line, compelling everyone to come take a look.
Note that the word feminism is more often searched for than the word feminists. Be sure to write a few posts where the headline includes proper names of people whom you want to become acquainted to your writing (Karl Rove, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin’s potential primary opponents).
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I think its safe to assume that feminists would rather argue, than service their man – and this is where it goes wrong.
What happened to women having their role, and men having theirs?
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“on March 30, 2010 at 2:03 pm Feminazi
@Xsplat
I’m sad that you are sad for me. My life was full of needless pain, until I discovered feminism. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not all roses. I don’t believe there is such a thing as a perfect life, but yeah it’s a whole lot better. I think so much more clearly than I used do. Hopefully you will too, one day.”
Ah the true believer! Finding a new identity and spiritual and psychological redemption by adopting a new life philosophy! Eric Hoffer is sooo cool!
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@Feminazi wrote [I don’t think that has anything to do with feminism though and more to do with the male perpetuated myth that their looks and ability to carry children is what makes them worth while.]
So what men think they want isn’t true? Remember, Ms. Friedman is discussing romance which is how “worthwhile” is being defined. It is dishonest and irrelevant to pretend that men here are suggesting she wouldn’t be worthwhile as a business contact or “human being with feelings”.
Many of our younger brothers would still fight wars to save her from terrorists. So she is still considered “worthwhile”.
@PA wrote [Like Carrie counseled, party through your 20s and at forty you’ll snag Mr. Big]
and @Feminazi responded [I’m not sure what purpose there is in referencing SATC, sure it’s enjoyable fluff but if you really think feminism is all about snagging a man and shoes, you have been sadly misinformed…]
This is classic feminist avoidance of looking at the elephant in the room. Feminazi completely ignored what @PA was really saying.
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Yes, there is no dispassionate observation and the testing of theories against empirical observation among a community of capable experiments when your identity is tied together with your ideology.
It is completely impossible to alter the views of someone whose identity is fused with their ideology. They CAN’T alter their views. It would be akin to suicide.
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…testing of theories against empirical observation amongst a community of capable experimenters …
Which is what the PUA community does. Our theories are born from science, tested scientifically, and compared with other scientists. The world views of gender relations that go along with the PUA community are informed by reality.
The world views that go along with feminism are informed by utopian ideals. Or dystopian – same thing – some place that you can’t get to because you can’t get there from HERE. Idealistic, not realistic.
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It’s also true that men are much much more likely to cheat in a relationship than a woman with, so does that really surprise you? Why exactly should she stay in a relationship with someone who disrespects her like that?
Nope, women just lie about it a lot more than men and are less likely to be caught, in part because they are better liars, something most women practice all their lives, much of the time. – Doug1
Are these men having sex with martians? Look, by your theory, many men would have to be cheating by having extra-marital sex with a much smaller pool of women. That makes no sense, unless you are talking about hookers. Generally, based on the way female attraction has been seen to work, the reverse would be true (i.e., more women would be cheating with a smaller pool of desirable men – who are living the good life). This is just based on opportunity, rather than any assessment of the predisposition of either sex to cheat.
Face it, women just lie about it better. – Anon, 3:47 pm
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Well, this behavior has now been documented in a book…and by a woman, no less:
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the world’s REAL most obnoxious woman
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“Let me qualify something I said: I have seen attractive, high-value women remain faithful in long-term relationships, but only when they either entered the relationship young, or never were that promiscuous. …” – Dally
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Did Whiskey write a whole blog article on this topic before?
Or maybe it was a commentator on an article from Whiskey??
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What is so funny about Jaclyn Friedman is that she is begging to be gamed.
She wants a man to rise to her shit tests, demonstrate his manliness, to show that he has higher value than her. All a man would need to do is to reframe her bullshit shit-tests. Push-pull would work like a charm.
But any man who can do this isn’t going to piss his time away on Jaclyn Friedman. She has nothing to offer. For a man to show he has higher value than her, all he has to do is fart.
I hope, for her sake, she likes cats.
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@ Dragnet: “But I have small disagreement—about marital rape. Look—if your wife doesn’t want to fuck right then, and you forcibly penetrate her then you’ve raped her. There really should be no debate about this. If the wife can prove this in a court of law beyond all reasonable doubt, then the hubby should do jail time. The problem is that the threshold for a conviction if you’re a man is much, much lower than that.”
You’re thinking like a feminist sub-beta here. I think that’s absurd and another one of the massive lies propping up feminism and putting innocent men in jail. Telling someone you regularly have sex with they are a rapist because you weren’t in the mood once is not rape anymore than its abuse if a man tells his wife to stop maxing out the credit cards at Macy’s.
Taking something that you’re entitled to anyway and being wrongfully denied it is not theft either. Is it rape if she gives him a surprise blow job too? Is any of that worth a major felony conviction, years in prison to be truly forcibly raped by really revolting characters of the same sex, and a ruined life? Its totally out of proportion with the so called crime. The case illustrated above where Friedman called the guy who screwed her while drunk a rapist is supported by your logic. Sorry, I just don’t buy your thinking. If there is a pattern established of regular sexual access, then rape cannot really occur in that scenario.
Before we had marital rape, this was a common shit test women used and the alphas took what was rightfully theirs if need be. Women usually responded favorably as well and gave up the booty willingly ever after because he proved he was a man to her. Now men just suffer in silence out of fear of a fantasy rape conviction dreamed up by the wife to establish an advantage for her in divorce court.
Try to find an old copy of the Way to Become the Sensuous Man from ther early 70s. That series was hugely popular in the US in the early 70s, right up ther with the Happy Hooker. These books were on most middle class night stands at the time ( the sensuous man, woman, and couple). These books made oral sex commonplace in the bedroom. The Sensuous Man has a passage that discusses exactly this case and how one man successfully negotiated his bitchy wife’s shit test by throwing her on the bed and fucking her eyes out. She was sweet and purred like a kitten ever after and never gave him a hard time about sex again. What is a shit test and true rape? Its too murky in a marriage to even determine this question and asking it in the first place has too many negastive consequences for all parties involved.
There is just not the same psychological damage involved as with a forcible rape because its someone your familiar with and have willingly taken into your body countless other times. Its not a true violation for this reason and shouldn’t be treated as one. It is not the same infraction or crime and really shouldn’t even be considered one.
Your position just gives women carte blanche to renege on the marriage contract but still gain all of the benefits and leaving the man with no options. If you have regular sex with someone, you have essentially given them permanent implied consent to access your body, especially in a marriage. That’s how it used to be and should be again. If she has implied and de facto unhindered access to my wallet, then I should get de facto unhindered access to her pussy, especially given the fact that as a man you have no legal means of defending a breach in the marriage contract and face being ass raped in divorce court. Marital rape laws just strengthen this fraud.
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“if your daughter came to your house crying and explained that she wasn’t in the mood so her husband held her down and forced himself on her, you would just send her on her way and explain that it was his right?”
My first question to her would be “why didn’t you give him any pussy?” Then I’d tell her to grow up and give her man a blow job.
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@ Skadi:
“Game will not give you lasting results if you want a long term relationship with a quality woman because sooner or later she will see through the manipulation.”
No they won’t. Even if they understand it and see through game, women still respond to it. They respond well to it. It seems to be hard wired. I’d have you blowing me every morning and cooking me breakfast and singing within two weeks and loving every minute of it. I’m married to one of those much younger and prettier women you describe and this is my life now. She’s a 9 and has an IQ of above 130 I would estimate. Moreover, its not the first woman I’ve achieved this with.
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Jessica Valenti has an attractive quality about her.
Aw.
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Sperm Wars explains it all.
Why would a married woman even care enough to not have sex with her husband? She’s had sex with him before and unless she’s checked out of the relationship completely, she’ll have sex with him again. The reason is that women subconsciously want to avoid sex with her husband when she’s most fertile. This way she keeps her options open for getting better sperm. If she’s looking to cheat she’ll gladly give up sex when she’s not fertile and deny her husband when she is.
Guess it all depends on what you think marriage is all about. Traditionally men agreed to support a woman and any children she produced in exchange for exclusive sexual access to her. Marital rape turns this idea on it’s head. It gives power to a woman to defraud her husband into supporting the child of another man. Obviously marriage today isn’t about trading lifetime support and child support for exclusive sexual access since (a) the man is liable for child support even if the marriage is ended and (b) there is no penalty for a woman who decides to give sexual access to another man. Honestly, I can’t see any reason for a man to get married in the United States in 2010 but maybe someone else can fill me in.
Feminism is all about reordering society to give low value women a better deal. Low value women are married to guys they would rather not have father their children. High value women get to marry men with whom they actually want to have babies. Low value women need marital rape laws so they can cuckold their low value husbands, therefore feminism is pro-marital rape laws.
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/3679432753_787de4c3d8.jpg?v=0
The most insteresting thing about this woman is the architecture of her shoes. Clearly a victory for feminist structural engineering, her leg diameter would have robbed any male of all hope and desire to see her in high heels.
The best she can hope for is a pity-double team from my boyys kwame and jermaine. Jermaine sells crack and Kwame cannot speak english. Neither of them are feminists.
That is the reality of why she is a lesbian.
Jew feminism? it’s just the backlash of a generation of ugly slutty women scorned by jewish(male) success.
Feminism…..when no rich jew will have you!!
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Few people on this planet have the balls or integrity to pursue what is true if it entails suffering of any kind.
People who are reasonably intelligent can spout such utter garbage – and continue to do so despite the mountain of evidence that contradicts their views.
It’s self-preservation buffered by cognitive dissonance elimination; feminists cling to their absurd beliefs because they have to – the emotional pain of denying them is equivalent to self-abnegation. What could be worse than facing head on the fact that all that intellectual and emotional investment was for nothing and your beliefs are fucking retarded.
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@Xsplat
You asked how Feminism has improved my life. Let me try and tell you, though I doubt there is much point. My interest in Feminism lead to a change in career, which has been fantastic for me and the women I work with ( I work with victims of domestic violence and rape). It lead me to my LTR with the most amazing person I have ever met. If we weren’t both feminists, I doubt we would have got together. I’m pretty certain we couldn’t have the relationship that we do. I think my knowledge of feminism allows me to appreciate him so much more than I would have done before I disocvered. Feminism gives me a way to fight back and change the things I don’t like about the world, so that hopefully other women will one day benefit form it the way I have. It makes me sad sometimes, looking at the world through a feminist lens because it’s apparent just how much there is left to do. At the same time though, in looking at what doesn’t work you come across so much that does, you learn to appreciate people in a whole new way and that’s beautiful. My world isn’t perfect, who’s is? But it positive, it’s loving and it’s full of amazing people, all of whom are doing their best to ensure that other people have a chance to experience this too. We might not ever succeed, that’s something I had to accept early on but damn I feel good for trying.
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Doug says, “No I utterly reject marital rape.”
Cool, then by your judgement, it should be impossible for a woman to rape her husband as well.
…though I do wish that the legal system would stay out of our personal lives. There was a time when a legitimately abused woman could kill or at least maim someone who assaulted her, and get away with it.
I don’t need feminism to tell me that if a guy wrongs me, he deserves to be punished. There is a line that a lawyer or judge may not be able to draw, but two people in a room certainly can.
The couple of times in my adult life when a guy did try to assault me was because I made it clear that it had better be worth his life.
So really, that’s the solution…not laws and feminism. Just good old human to human, “I will bleed you for this.”
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Correction: The couple of times in my adult life when a guy did try to assault me, I was able to prevent it because I made it clear that it had better be worth his life.
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Back to the original topic…
Friedman is simply unattractive.
Physically, based on the recent photos posted, she is simply not something most men period are going to be interested in getting close to unless they are mucho desperate or have a thing for the chub, and there are definitely cuter fat girls.
Making it worse, is that personality wise, she seems to be a tiresome, self-righteous bore.
(BTW, It’s funny how people on the left are usually so critical about religious people going off about their beliefs, judging others on THEIR beliefs, and yet Friedman seems 10x worse in that way)
All in all, it adds up to someone that realistically, very few men are going to tolerate, let alone seek a relationship with.
Yet, YET, she thinks she has the ability to be uber-selective in her vetting process.
Worse, some Fems come here telling us how “awesome” she is and can’t believe she would be disparaged.
Both are delusional, which only seems to support the Roissy world-view.
Friedman is not “awesome” in any way that normal, heterosexual males would any catagory except maybe “Avoid like the plague.”
Yet, she and others will tell themselves, “No, no, I/she is great! What every guy should want!”
No, NO she’s not! Don’t tell us to read up on Feminism when you obviously have no comprehension of what makes men tick, or even a basic grasp of reality.
As someone else pointed out, earlier photos show she *might* have had some female mojo, but it is long gone. As someone else ALSO pointed out, the earlier photos were used with article, as if the writer or editor knew that the image of the feminist sex kitten in the words would not jibe with the image of the aging, obese cougar.
Apparently SOME do grasp the realities, but do their best to cover them up.
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Damn, with all the “no means no” stuff and man-bashing she’d be spewing, if you even got any “Game” (or manliness,whatsoever)anywhere near her it’d be “rape” and getting thrown in a pound-me-in-the-ass prison (to use Office Space’s figure of speech). If you’re a male and go anywhere near her, you’d better be a gelding or her head’s going to start spinning around with smoke coming out of her ears!
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“For example the stud vs. slut area.”
This topic came up in conversation recently, and I remarked that the “double standard” was merely the back side of a cost-benefit analysis.
“In primate life, women are the choosers of sex. That comes with a price – ridicule and scorn for misusing your power of choice. Nature abhors bad sexual choice, and society punishes it by labeling the slut’s behavior.”
I then offered that I would be glad to trade sexual choice for the risk of being tagged a slut.
Women who wring their hands about the slut thing are so insecure – instead of changing their behavior to avoid a nasty reputation, they seek to change the meaning of the word so it’s not so nasty.
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The main point Jaclyn was making was not only that she can’t get along with the normal high value men who find her worldview to be pathetic and ultimately self-centered, but that she is really not attracted to those who *agree* with her. That is the headline.
[Feminism is all about reordering society to give low value women a better deal]
@Steve Johnson hit the nail on the head here. It describes most feminist legislation and, for instance, why they got upset when “7 Days 7 Nights” featured the old guy getting 29 year old Anne Heche instead of one of them. It is why the NOW actually issued a press release condemning the idea of Arod being with 18 year old Bristol Palin (they were hoping to stop Sarah Palin from securing the “insecure older woman vote”).
@Roissy missed the most important element of brazen dishonesty and fraud in that Washington City Paper:
They presented a photo of Jaclyn that was at least 15 years old. She was a hottie in her early 20s when that picture was taken in the early 90s. Are feminists and their supporters in the media and blogosphere so weak intellectually that they feel they they have to defraud the public with photos of the way certain feminists were when they were young and beautiful?
Headline: “Feminist Friendly Newspaper Knowingly Prints 15 Year Old Photo of a Feminist as She Describes How She is Not Sexually Attracted to Males Who Agree With Her”.
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“Ah, so she’s in her late 30s or 40s now. That would explain the sudden biological urge to merge with sperm-manufacturing normal men.”
And this is the really sad thing about these bitches, they eventually realise their failings and that what they bought into was a lie. Otherwise surely she would be happily pursueing ladies and transgender freaks, right?
A lot of these women have a funny way of realising their mistakes without actually admitting them. It’s mens fault she cudn’t do it earlier, and if she can’t do it now that’ll be a mans fault too.
And the big question is….what was this fat bitch doing her whole life that she couldn’t find a guy and have kids? was she running the world? making shitloads of money? she clearly wasn’t maintaining a healthy body like somone with an athletics career.
She waren’t doing nothing but flicking her bean and hating on manz.
What i love about Roissy is that he teaches guys something positive. The truth. You won’t find many guys looking back in their mid forties about how wrong they were to learn game. No one will regret the success.
When im her age i’ll still be singing this song like my boyy shawn.
shout out HBK the legend. Old G.
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I wouldn’t want to be hulk hogan at the moment though.
“I could have turned everything into a crime scene like OJ, cutting everybody’s throat,”
“You live half a mile from the 20,000-square-foot home you can’t go to any more, you see a 19-year-old boy driving your Escalade, and you know that a 19-year-old boy is sleeping in your bed, with your wife. I totally understand OJ. I get it.”
Guy sounds pissed.
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Not once in the whole article did this feminist try to accommodate the guy.
-The guy must go out and research her writings and formulate an opinion.
-The guy must only like books, movies and music by women (lets ignore the fact that most of the canonical books of civilization was written by men).
-The man must embrace feminism.
-The man must accommodate for her flaws (however she is able to drop guys she finds “unattractive”)
She doesn’t want a partner. She wants a slave.
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men aren’t feminist, they are just betas who will not care about the heel marks left behind from women walking all over them. if you really believe its about equality then shut the hell up about getting paid the same, men don’t get knocked up and expect to be paid without working for months. equality is not how we are made, even in kindergarten different genders have statistically proven different strengths and weaknesses. equality is not in the mind either, though our brains may be structured similarly the way the genders use them sets us far apart. lets get to the easiest to tell differences, physically men cant shoot a child out of their genitals, nor nourish said child on naturally occurring milk. so maybe men have it better, this isn’t our fault just as its not women’s, if your going to scorn someone it should be your creator, or the human race, because we are how we are, and its not a new phenomenon.
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@ xsplat
Fair enough…but I really don’t think the solution is to remove any legal recourse a wife has when a husband overpowers and forcibly penetrates her against her will. The solution is to raise the threshold of what can gain a conviction under this circumstance. If its just he said/she said—then he walks. But if it’s proven beyond all reasonable doubt—ie the presence of a serious injury—then I don’t see how you couldn’t convict.
You make plantiffs meet a standard of reasonable doubt and make divorce a palatable option for men, and marital rape is no longer even an issue.
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@ Anon
No—none of them brought it up. Why would they? Women are (generally) privileged, entitled and overvalued—but they don’t want guys to know this. Bringing up the fact that I saw her profile but didn’t get in touch would have made it obvious that her (overinflated) ego was a bit wounded.
I have however brought it up myself in the context of a neg. I told one girl (half-joking, half-chiding) that I didn’t contact her initially because her profile was really sparse—I think she wrote like 50 words or so—and couldn’t really get a sense of her. She spent quite a lot of time qualifying herself to me after that, and I crushed the pussy the next time out. She was 29, and a Harvard educated pediatrician.
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Feminazi, you don’t need to be a feminist to do any of those positive things you’ve done. You just need to be a decent person, which most of the guys posting here are.
There’s just an effective way to go about things that doesn’t cause widespread damage and destruction, and a way to do things that is sane and forward thinking.
Feminism often gets conflated with egalitarianism and humanitarianism, but they are not the same thing…not by a long stretch.
Any ideology that separates women’s rights from human rights, as if it needs some kind of special distinction, is messed up at its foundation.
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Steve Johnson said: “Feminism is all about reordering society to give low value women a better deal. Low value women are married to guys they would rather not have father their children. High value women get to marry men with whom they actually want to have babies. Low value women need marital rape laws so they can cuckold their low value husbands, therefore feminism is pro-marital rape laws.”
Men, can you say “BOHICA”! I knew you could!
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I’ve come to conclude that if a woman I meet says she is a feminist, I need to run the other way. If a woman I meet starts to spout off feminist ideology or beliefs, even if it is a one sentence “slip of the tongue” that shows she is inclined towards feminist ideology then I need to run the other way.
Feminist = Very angry and bitter woman
Feminist = Something happened to her in her past to make her angry and bitter
Feminist = She will take it out on the world and particularly the object of their anger (that would be men)
There are a lot of angry/bitter/hateful women out there who relish attacking men, hating men, and use feminism to argue why they are justified.
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“While this used to be the ideal, in the modern west most men have realized that it’s a pipe dream to have something long-lasting with a high-quality woman.”
Well, maybe for you. Or maybe my reality is different because Mrs D isn’t from the modern west. There are women who like being women. Your job is to find them.
They aren’t going to be on the career track. They aren’t going to be grievance studies majors. They probably haven’t moved to the big city to pursue a career. They were probably raised in a culture where women were appreciated for being feminine. They might not even be in this country. They do exist.
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GT: Agreed. But test them further on whether they believe the Violence Against Women Act is OK just because of its name. Professional feminists, including the ones who wrote the law, will agree even in writing that changes may have to be made to fit the Constitution (they know that cowardly GOP politicians won’t actually press the issue to make the changes). Therefore, if an amateur feminist takes the stance that all feminist laws need to be defended “as is,” even when you’ve just told them for the first time about the existence of a law, then you might move on. She likes feminism more than men.
Nicole: You just made a classic statement that perfectly fit the 140 characters of a tweet on Twitter: Any ideology that separates women’s rights from human rights, as if it needs some kind of special distinction, is messed up at its foundation.
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A serious case of oneitis:
http://guyism.com/2010/03/teen-cuts-off-dong-throws-it-down-a-well-after-rejected-by-girl.html
p.s., there is nothing wrong with women competing on an equal footing with men in the workplace, if they want to and are wired that way. However stop telling all women that they need to do this, or that being a mother isn’t real work or is somehow beneath most women.
p.p.s., note how Mr. Jessica Valenti is literally in her shadow in that picture.
@Feminazi: Please stick around, your even discourse on the subject is welcome, at least by me. Ad hominems by people like xsplat with no real arguments just show how weak his “logic” is. I think you will find, over time, that the people here by and large have a consistent, logical perspective that is different to yours. I think you will also find that many of the men here have come to game out of necessity due to the fact that it works to get them what they want. They want to be nice to women, but as the feminist author in the op suggests, that is not attractive, even to her. A lot of men thing they are supposed to be pussies to get women. The information here, going to extremes as it does for effect, works for most men in small doses. I have no desire to be a PUA, but came here to learn how to maintain attraction.
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Eumaios
Jamila: Enjoying variety in your sex life means you must be ugly?
Logic fail, dear.
Since you know my name already, I would prefer to be called by it instead of “Dear”
Roissy proposed that uglier implies kinkier. It does not follow from that statement that all kinky girls are ugly. It DOES follow that the less kinky girls are less ugly. Less convolutedly, the implication is that girls who aren’t kinky are probably pretty
You are so busy trying to contradict me, you end up not following your own logic. If the less kinky girls are less ugly, and the uglier a girl is the more kinky she is, then we are back with what I said: the implication is that kinky is associated with ugly and pretty is associated with vanilla sex.
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Bored from the turn of the conversation, I’ll answer Max’s question.
Max, ask questions that show her you think pole dancing is a low value activity, because she thinks that men are impressed by it.
For example, “Besides the money it generates, is pole dancing a fulfilling career? Does it feed your soul?” “Does the pole bruise your legs?” “Is it hard to keep the balance between a pole sticky enough to hold your weight, but slippery enough to not leave skin rashes?”
Once she starts qualifying herself based on those questions, say, “You really love it. I don’t see the attraction. I’d like to understand.” Then suggest she talk more about it over coffee.
Good luck.
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Feminism is not wrong, but should have evolved in a completely different direction then it have done, its way of track, and is misused to the fully.
Feminism should worship women, not hate men, and
the worst part and what i find offensive with feminism is, the victimizing. If people wouldn’t want to be victims, of diffuse and abstract “crimes” they would feel better. It is more and more popular to become a victim and less desire to use the world in its proper meaning.
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argh, world=word
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the irony with women is that they genuinely believe, to an extent, that men are the flighty half – the ones impossible to commit, the ones who obfuscate, the ones unfaithful and irreconcilable with any commitment to a higher purpose. they believe this because their entire world only consists of them, their girlfriends and alpha men, with some greater betas strewn about here and there. in reality it’s women who make up the uncontrollable river, who torment ‘marriage’ and laugh at its corpse. ‘marriage’ is precisely a silly, absurd humiliation because of women, whose radar for social status is not turned off or even dimmed simply because of a sacrament.
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biktopia, women do not need “worship[ing]” from any new party. men already worship women. you think game exists because men are femophobic?
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men invented marriage to help women and children
backed by fiat bankers and ben bernanke, women cashed out on it and spit on it lozlzlzllz!!
note that neither obama nor bush ever criticized the divorce regime nor teh federal reserve.
note that both grew the debt and funded far off wars on foreign shores.
lzozlzl!
jonah lozlzzl goldberg!!! lzozlzl rulezzzzz
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hell, half of the battle in seduction is learning to diminish the reward
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@biktopia
Unfortunately, much of feminism, even that which simply worships women and doesn’t bash men, teaches men to do unattractive things, such as supplicate themselves to women and be their doormat. No where in modern society (other than here) is there a voice telling men to be men. Only voices heard are those that put women on pedestals, talking about their vaginas in public, asking for special allowances so that they can compete “equally” with men, putting people at risk by lowering the standards for professions such as firefighting just so that women can take the job. Title IX is just such a thing, and it’s trying to be used to force STEM education to accept more women (at a lower standard, naturally).
I’m perfectly fine with women competing with men on a level playing field. If they can do the math, that’s hot. There are few who can, and those few should be allowed and encouraged to do so. Women should not be encouraged to work outside the home by default; only in the unusual case that they want to and are suited for it. Mothers should be celebrated and not looked down upon by career women. All it does is drive down the value of work, because the supply of goods doesn’t change, nor does the demand.
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hell, half of the battle in seduction is learning to diminish the reward center that triggers when stoked with female attention. i don’t think women can feasibly understand what female validation feels like from the point of view of a man.*
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Feminism is not wrong, but should have evolved in a completely different direction then it have done, its way of track, and is misused to the fully.
Feminism should worship women, not hate men, and
the worst part and what i find offensive with feminism is, the victimizing. If people wouldn’t want to be victims, of diffuse and abstract “crimes” they would feel better. It is more and more popular to become a victim and less desire to use the world in its proper meaning.”
Biktopia,
Have you read Christina Hoff Sommer’s “Who Stole Feminism?” She goes into detail on this, the schism that developed between gender feminists and equality feminists:
“Sommers uses the terms “equity feminism” and “gender feminism” to differentiate what she sees as acceptable and non-acceptable forms of feminism. She describes equity feminism as the struggle for equal legal and civil rights and many of the original goals of the early feminists, as in the first wave of the women’s movement. She describes “gender feminism” as the action of accenting the differences of genders for the purposes of creating privilege for women in academia, government, industry, or advancing personal agendas.”
Seran
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omg neocon feminazis are blaming porn on men:
http://article.nationalreview.com/429884/getting-serious-about-pornography/anonymous?page=1
lozlzl!
fun fact: more men watch porn but FAR MORE WOMEN ACT IN IT AND PARTAKE IN IT!! LOZLZLZLZLZLL!!!
which is worse? watching porn?
or taking giant cocks of your ass for money?
how come the neocon feminazi author doesn’t suggest that we raise girls to be less materialistic so that they serve their husbands and fathers rather than taking giant cocks up thier anuses for money? lzozl & for free with roissy!! lzolzllzlzlzlzll
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Ok, i don’t think they need worshiping in that sense, i was thinking more in terms of worshiping the feminine beauty and the joy that it can bring instead of shaming it.
On game, i think game always existed and is more then just a tool for picking up girls, game is used everywhere. I use it to, Its calculated benefit, which you have to practice or learn from others. i don’t see anything wrong in that.
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To the feminists whining like this:
A valid point….. so at what point of refusal does the man get the right to dissolve the marriage without having to pay the wife anything?
At that point the whining starts. Because feminists, and their white knights, what UNILATERAL surrender on one side, where they give up nothing.
If a woman can’t even endure the thought of sex with her husband, then she should LEAVE THE MARRIAGE.
That said, women have way more sex drive than men, so if you push her buttons you can break her down without force.
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Seran, no i haven’t, i will have a look.
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i honestly can’t think of a single example of someone or some institution “shaming” […] “the feminine beauty.” if anything it’s what draws naive men to their graves. even the burqa is ostensibly there because the sheer power of a girl’s form alone overwhelms all kinds of mores and senses (in fact that’s verbatim how it’s put in the quran.)
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“the irony with women is that they genuinely believe, to an extent, that men are the flighty half – the ones impossible to commit, the ones who obfuscate, the ones unfaithful and irreconcilable with any commitment to a higher purpose. they believe this because their entire world only consists of them, their girlfriends and alpha men, with some greater betas strewn about here and there. in reality it’s women who make up the uncontrollable river, who torment ‘marriage’ and laugh at its corpse. ‘marriage’ is precisely a silly, absurd humiliation because of women, whose radar for social status is not turned off or even dimmed simply because of a sacrament.”
To help others understand let me offer two words:
1) Projection
2) Solipsism
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“They haven’t internalized their feminism, so it’s always being externalized. And it places a lot of pressure on the women they’re with. There’s this very self-conscious performance of feminism.”
I love this part. Even when men buy into this crap and are trying to jump through the ridiculous hoops of feminism they are still doing something wrong and women are the victims.
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Haven’t read all of the comments (wish I could)… But Bhetti’s explanation of societies where “forceable” marital sex is allowed is excellent. Amazing. The way she summed up expectations and responsibilities for both spouses is fantastic and I think holds lessons for everyone.
With power comes great responsibility, no? Whether that is p-ssy power of physical strength or whatever.
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Angele, cmon, i think its everyday.
In other geographical areas, women don’t wear anything, so i don’t really buy that,
Shaming feminine beauty and motherhood, is very much happening in the western countries.
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motherhood is one thing, but “feminine beauty?” really now? come on.
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Careful what you wish for. Worshipping (WTF? but anyway) … worshipping “female beauty” won’t be as fun for you during the last 55 years of your life.
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Hopefully this is just an April Fool’s Joke played by techcrunch about a new type of facebook site called Unvarnished:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/30/unvarnished-a-clean-well-lighted-place-for-defamation/
It looks real enough however. Imagine a facebook where you cannot control what people say on your own wall. I foresee it becoming a place for men to be defamed by bitter exes for having normal opinions about life and love that are, unfortunately, not OK in a pc society where employers will be looking at your Unvarnished profile to decide whether to hire you.
So far, the ability of women to post anything they want about your past relationships with them hasn’t borne bitter fruit, presumably because of mutually assured reputation destruction factors and a common decency among human beings not to expose what was meant to be said in private (coming out publicly and “for the record” as a feminist who rejects Republican men makes people like Jessica fair game to discuss publicly – saying privately to a rude woman that she won’t be pretty much more than 4 more years doesn’t give her a moral right to post on the Internet that he said that).
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Biktopia: Nadion erdekesh – Nadion chinosh – I love your attitude. I am sure you will have inner beauty long after some of the looks might fade (but all most people have to do to stay reasonably good looking is go to the gym once per week, run, swim and avoid too much direct sunlight and cigarette smoke).
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Laura said: “It is up to the women of a society to set the sexual mores more then the men.”
See, Laura, the thing is that we no longer live in a traditionalist society where women set the sexual mores. Traditionally, higher sexual standards are demanded of women, but also higher standards to be the provider and the protector are demanded of men. In our society the women do not get the traditionalist protection of men and not all women are provided for. We live in a modern, individualistic society. If you wanna go back to those mores, you have to accept the full set of traditionalist values which would mean less individual freedom and way less casual, no strings attached sex. Men who now live free lives for themselves, would have to live those lives entirely for their families.
One old soldier once told me that “if the women in society are getting loose, that’s when that society has gone really far down the line”. From the traditionalist perspective, this is very true. However, today women are too available, they are encouraged by the culture to put out because this is what men value in them – they want access to their sexuality, they want the slut, they want a glamorized, slutty looking woman. Just compare what the women in music videos/magazines looked like in the 1980s and even 1990s, and compare those to the ones now. It is certainly not the feminists who demand that women dress/appear like that, as they have in fact vehemently opposed that and fought against that – a battle that they have lost against the big money and male whims.
It is a schizophrenic demand upon women to simultaneously be a slut and yet chaste at the same time. But you have to realize that the men are no longer traditional either. Can one seriously think that a self respecting woman is longing for a guy who has stuck his dick who knows where or who brags about his womanizing? Or a guy who dreams about a super princess, yet slacks off at the gym and can’t pay for a date? Or an eternal bachelor who prefers his bikes and gadgets to having kids? Who needs a guy like that?
The young girls need to be raised completely differently, but it is not possible because of the widespread prevalence of the raunch culture. Large parts of media would have to be shut down to change that but it’s impossible because you can’t deny the men who demand, produce and consume this media content the right to treat their women as objects for their instant sexual gratification.
Were traditional men (or the men in the 1970s) like the men are today? Were so many of them players, cheaters, serial monogomists, midlife crisers, infested with STDs, “sodomites”, promiscuous beyond belief, eternal bachelors en masse, non-providers? No, the men used to not be like that. Strong men are a backbone of any healthy society.
So you are proposing to change the sexual mores. Ok, fine. The men will thus lose out big time, as they will no longer have free access to pussy. I however believe that the woman should be free to exercise her sexual freedom, within the confines of rationality and in a very careful, selective manner. Today women have to protect their bodies themselves.
And, yes, romantic love is not stable… it probably just lasts for several years. After that you have to work on the relationship or you are bonded by the children. It is not as safe a fundament for marriage as a practical calculation (or the traditional dynamic). But romantic love makes life beautiful and for some people it is an eternal longing and maybe even the purpose of life.
The odds for marriages to survive these days are so low that it is impossible to put any guarantee on “till death do us part”. But who cares about marriage anyway? It’s a “horrible deal for the males”, right? Why bother, we’re on the marriage strike anyway.
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Comparing our two resident Swedish-raised Eastern European girls, Skadi and Biktopia, I must say the doughnut award (h/t xsplat) goes to the Hungarian.
Skadi understands the immigration problem, while Biki faults
the hapless host societyfailure to assimilate fo rthe newcomer’s behavior. Both girls have cute opionions about feminism, so they’re equal on that count.But lest anyone is too harsh with them, there is a trusting, innocent naivete to their world-views, common among some eastern europeans, who are insufficentily cynical about political correctness because in their minds anything that comes from the US or the EU shines of nicenss and modernity. Their native countries’ still-visible legacy of Communist degradation makes them blind to the reptile behind the Western mask.
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perhaps the problem here is that you’re not being clear what you mean by “shaming.” who is shaming who? what is “shaming” exactly?
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Jamila, you keep changing your argument. It’s not about “associated with”, you said it was about implies (means). First you said,
“Roissy said: There’s gotta be an iron law of the land that states the less desirable the woman, the kinkier she is in bed. Compensation in da houze!
…
Enjoying variety in your sex life means you must be ugly?
”
a -> b does not mean b-> a, but that’s exactly the faulty logic you used here. This is not “associated with” this is “implies”, a much stronger logical statement. Our friend pointed out that the contrapositive is implied (!b->!a), and you said his logic failed. You are objectively wrong. Logic 101, baby. Please run along now, the men are talking.
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lzozlzlz,
Based on your predilection – you should check this out:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18722-male-crayfish-turned-on-by-urine.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
I now suspect that you are Dr Zoidberg
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No, Tyrone, what you said would never happen in my case because women are in fact different (which is the very opposite of the gamers’ main premise it seems) and you are not my type (due to your psychological predisposition and being a regular poster on this site). Yours is not the dynamic I’m looking for (the man I would pick that dynamic with, is truly outstanding and probably out of my reach anyway but he is a completely different type than the gamers here). Not all women want the same things from a man. So don’t assume that just because your wife chose you (no matter how hot), I would choose you as well as I doubt you have the things I need/want from a man. There are many men with hot women who would not pick me, but who I would never want to be with myself either, who are just not my type or don’t represent what I look for in a male/long term partner.
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PA, I’m Baltic-raised (of course I read Lindgren as a child, and her books often feature strong, independent girls, but this is also how Baltic girls were raised, essentially as boys). The old Swedish culture (pre-multiculturalism) is simply something that I think is a good society. And many Eastern Europeans are skeptical about the EU. Some are critical of “Western values” but I’m not one of them.
I guess the doughnut award cannot be anything bad, as doughnuts are sweet. Haven’t had a real American doughnut in a while, but probably will in a week or so. 🙂
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I’m going to dispense with all the intellectual BS and cut right to the chase here — gender differences are a function of nature. It’s a cold, hard fact.
Biological imperative incents men to screw as many women as possible and lie about it. Biological imperative incents women to cuckold and lie about it. And yes, everyone knows that women are emotionally more perceptive and skilled at manipulation than men. It’s not right or wrong — it just is.
All this marriage- and relationship-related “morality” we have is an artificial layer and societal construct created for order and control.
Look no further than pretty much every other species on the planet. When was the last time National Geographic documented a lioness dragging a lion to divorce court for half his stuff because he cheated? No, the alpha lion screws his harem and lets them bring up the young by themselves. Oh, and they feed him too. 99.99% of mammalian species are like this.
The Onion had a brilliant parody of feminism years ago. The title says it all: “Study Finds Sexism Rampant in Nature.” Funny, but not hard to imagine feminist wacko crusaders trying to create “outreach programs and support networks” for lionesses, rats and monkeys.
Read it here: http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-finds-sexism-rampant-in-nature,130/
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Communist degradation didn’t hurt East European societies like Feminist degradation damaged the West. Soviets developed feminism along a proper course, where the early victim feminist leaders were probably executed by Stalin setting the tone for what would and would not be acceptable in that ideology.
Case in point: International Women’s Day. In the east, it is now a second Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day combined. A man must spend a lot on flowers and gifts for a dozen or more women in his life including female colleagues (the women would have gifted the men on February 23rd, the former Red Army Day now called the Day of Men).
All women a man knows from Eastern Europe need to at least get a text message congratulating them with the 8th of March. It is one of the happiest days of the year (although a man in an MLTR better be on a business trip or have another good excuse for what he is doing that evening).
In the West: Beta Males are beseeched on the 8th of March to join marches to stop the oppression of womyn. Mercifully, the 8th of March is mostly ignored by the average westerner as a result of this organized negativity.
Communist “degradation” ultimately did not degrade women like victim feminism has in the west since the 1980s.
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Though I appreciate Skadi’s arguments, she again rests on a false premise. This time, she says that the glut of media which fetishes young women’s beauty is produced and consumed primarily by men.
Why then, did the rise in trashy, slutty grrrl culture coincide with the popularity of feminism?
I would argue that the vast majority of both consumers and producers of the glamour magazines, lady gag gag albums, and tv shows about models, are women and gay men. Have you ever lived/worked in the media centers such as SF or Manhattan? I have, and it’s all run by women and gays trust me.
The beauty fetish, while erroneously pinned on men’s desire for titillation, is actually a reflection of women’s intensely competitive nature. It is other women analyzing and criticizing each other and creating ideals of perfection, which drives those industries.
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Oh, and Skadi and Bikotopia, let’s me show you the true face of “America”:
http://www.mv-voice.com/news/show_story.php?id=2586
The big bosses and, let’s be honest, the American People, have worked hard to make America a worse place to live than CHINA or INDIA for skilled workers.
And let me tell you, they have DELIVERED. They have GOT IT DONE.
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@ Skadi
You have got to be fucking kidding me. There is so much wrong with your latest post I hardly know where to begin.
God this is daft. The arbitration of the sexual mores isn’t determinated by the society or culture, so much as it’s determined by biomechanics and evo psych. In most species, including humans, males display and females choose. And this makes sense—women have more to lose from sex (ie, pregnancy, more susceptible to STDs, etc) and this knowledge is ingrained in their DNA. Women remain the gatekeepers to sex and have it in the exclusive control to restrict—or permit—access to it.
Women are “encouraged” to put out—but not for the benefit of men, but for their own supposed benefit…which is why alpha males, naturals, and Game-enhanced betas/alphas (at most 15 percent of men) are really the only guys getting laid in our society under the age of 35 or so. The simple truth is that most men (under 35) will never own up to long stretches of forced celibacy, but I can assure you that in your typical American urban enclave this is indeed the case. Men don’t have free access to pussy—alphas have free access to pussy. If most men were telling the truth, they would absolutely love to return to a time of more constrained sexual mores because it would at least guarantee them steady access to sex between 20 and 35 in the form of a wife. But admiting this means copping to the ultimate male shame—that women find you undesirable. Yet this is precisely the category in which most men find themselves.
And yes, marriage currently is a raw deal for men, as it saddles them with obligations while conferring no additional rights. They are obligated to give to their wives unfettered access to their material wealth and physical labor…but don’t have a right to sex with their wives, which can—and is—often denied to husbands. You add this to the fact that the divorce/family court industry is ridiculously misandric and it’s not hard to imagine why and increasing number of younger men are postponing and avoiding marriage 2.0.
You’re obviously intelligent, but I really think you need to re-examine some basic premises here.
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Skadi and Laura: alpha males set the rules, don’t be mistaken. Women follow, always. It’s nature; creative/receptive.
No woman would disgust and really be repellent to an alpha male (of her interest), that not even an alpha woman. So it follows that in society what alpha men want women forcibly concur, from lack of options. So, men must be honourable, strong and fierce for women to be loyal, receptive and submissive. But remember, male behavior must be coherent and clear; purposeful. Otherwise, women will roll along pretending — with horrible consequences.
Right now they are not even caring to pretend. They have no set of rules to adhere to, as no alpha man can (cares to?) step up and kick the stand, proclaiming afterwards: — “for whom?”.
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Thank you for the doughnut, PA, i still believe in solidarity and helping people but zero tolerance for slum, not every foreigner went on to be criminal, but most criminals are foreigners, Tupac said it really well in Exporting democracy, Importing socialism, i copied a smaller part of it.
-“The point being, this sort of cultural and normative change is inevitable during immigration UNLESS the white population has the SPINE to express their disapproval of such behaviors in each and every instance such ugly heads arrive.”
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Jerry, Köszönöm 🙂
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@Skadi
One problem of our discussion is each one of us is using the term feminism but applying it to different ideologies.
This modern “Feminism” we are talking about is in its roots remains a communist-lesbian movement.
The word “Feminist” means something very different to Western European women and Middle Eastern women.
If we were to talk about feminism of the early 20th century we’d be talking about upper middle class ladies sitting around sipping tea discussing the abolition of alcohol.
If we were to talk about feminism of the 1960s we’re talking about the ever so influential lesbian-Marxists who claimed they wanted to murder the majority of men.
If we are talking about the feminism today it is the slut-it-up grrrrl. Look at that youtube video of this lady!!!
The feminists are the ones degrading women!!!
Men like Roissy wouldn’t be able to ply their trade if feminists hadn’t devalued sex and devalued women.
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Biki, an extra-large sweet, cream-filled doughnut for you. And Tupac too, for that insipidly naive comment.
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“the irony with women is that they genuinely believe, to an extent, that men are the flighty half – the ones impossible to commit, the ones who obfuscate, the ones unfaithful and irreconcilable with any commitment to a higher purpose. they believe this because their entire world only consists of them, their girlfriends and alpha men, with some greater betas strewn about here and there.”
I have been making this point to several female friends. When they start in with the “men are dogs” lines, I calmly point out that the only men they talk to or relate to are bad-boy alpha males, and if they threw away their superficial “standards” they would find a lot of men who break their stereotypes.
In other words, their definition of “men” is much more restrictive than simply having an XY pair. Beta males are to women what ugly girls are to men – utterly non-sexual beings that the other side treats as invisible. Women think men are so uniformly bad because they refuse to see 70% of men.
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Jerry, your observations about March 8 are precise, but generally there is a gender disproportion here that is very damaging to our birthrates. In Latvia March 8 is actually a mix between the ex-Soviet new Valentine type of day and a bunch of authentic discussions about women’s issues.
Comment, libertarian Peter Schiff is actually warning that in the future WASP kids could be leaving the States for Asia.
Dally, you are partly right. Yes, the fashion industry is partly run by women’s vanity and the waif standard was created by gay men. But I was actually refering to the FHM/Playboy culture which puts an oversexualised, almost naked woman on a pedestal. It’s called men’s entertainment, gone mainstream. It is not a normal standard to impose on women. The woman that the men want the most is someone who has taken good care of herself, wears a bit of tasteful make up and has selected her outfits nicely, someone that you can slightly notice that has taken time on her appearance plus the natural beauty. This is the woman that all men want but such women are usually reserved for marriable alphas. At the same time, the men really desire the “whore” too. They want the woman put out, to dress scantily. They insist that the woman has to be “sexy” in the Playboy sense (parody of real sexuality). At the same time they forget that most women do not owe anything to men in order to put out. I hate how girls are being tricked into this raunch culture which tells them that their only value lies in their sexuality. Girls have souls and personalities too!
Many men want women to look like whores. Here’s a crazy example: one guy had a fake profile on a dating site, where he had put up pics of a really hot, skinny girl in the craziest positions, one pice actually had the xxx totally exposed, and he had named the profile (the Little Whore). Really beats me why he had set up such a profile. One day we were hanging out by the computer and he let me log on to this profile – I couldn’t believe what I saw! Loads of guys messaging this fake profile, flirting, being “nice”, several guys offered long term commitment, it was unbelievable. Yes, the girl in the pic was very beautiful, but she posed like a real call her in the pics! They desired her so much that they would actually get over the shame of her having her xxx all over the screen but still invited her to become their partner. Anyway, men’s magazines are run by men, consumed by men, etc. Unrealistic beauty standards are forced upon women because they are no longer valued for anything else by so many men. Whorishness praised above all. No wonder Britney Spears broke down.
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Sorry, but no feminzai is more repulsive than the oafish Gloria Alred. Every time a high-profile husband gets caught cheating she “represents” the alleged female victims who are almost always the ones pursuing the sexual relationship with the alpha in the first place.
So after the girls get what they want they also get to sue the guy they pursued.
Alred is manipulating the anti-male legal system in the USA to her advantage.
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Dragnet, agreed on the biology part, that is clear. But I was talking about customs, traditions, culture which are largely framed by biology but usually evolve according to economic circumstances.
In a society where the woman has control over getting pregnant or not and where she has enough resources to support herself, she can enjoy her sexuality freely. Having said that, the stigma and the double standard is still there and, for their own sake, women, if they choose to have casual sex, should select their sex partners extremely carefully (taking all the necessary physical and rational precautions).
Are you saying that only 15% of the men are getting free pussy? It must be more than that. I’d be pleasantly surprised if that were the case. Pussy should not be for free – men should do something to deserve it, either be exceptional or super nice/romantic/loving (or support their lay financially). The other alternative is gender equality. I see your point to some extent, however, since I know that men tend to brag about their sexual endeavors and exaggerate them. Of course, women are still pickier. On that topic.. one thing that I’m incredibly curious about when it comes to male sexuality.. everyone keeps saying that men only desire young, hot, etc. How they’re so visual.. But how come there are so many ads in dating sites where men, when looking for casual sex, are not too discriminate about the woman’s age and appearance. Some are, but so many aren’t.. so many ads where guys are ready to fuck anything that moves without even seeing the pic or knowing the woman’s age, so many ads of guys looking for much older women (ok, maybe they think they’re easier or more freaky, but how do they get a stiffy with someone who is half their age and not very thin, attractive, to say the least.. I don’t mean the cases where guys truly prefer older women or if the women simply happen to be very attractive). What is it in the male biology that drives them towards that? Do they just close their eyes or what? I’m not talking about the MILF phenomenon but the fact that so many of them will fuck anything that moves or resembles a woman. Is this because of their drive to spread out their genes as broadly as they can? But then they shouldn’t be fucking women past their reproductive stage..
dragnet, about splitting wealth.. don’t wanna delve too much into that as I don’t know much about the US legal system, but remember that that money is for the kids. It is a reward for the woman for giving kids to the society. Because she gives up her body (marketable value), time, the job (pension funds, wealth which brings freedom and luxury). Children are much more valuable than houses, cars, material goods. And this is what women give.
But yea.. I once saw this video featuring a 22 year old American guy who was talking about how 80% of women choose/strive for the 20% of men and about the marriage situation in general. The desperation in his voice was just so shockingly deep. A rather good looking young man, a bit on the conservative side… it was striking. And this is coming from a 22 year old who typically would not be bothered by stuff such as marriage/LTR in today’s Western society where men are encouraged to be eternal bachelors. This guy’s pain reminded me of how I felt when I at one point realized that a sound, monogamous marriage is not the norm. There was also an 18 year old boy commenting on this blog… already disillusioned about his relationship prospects and thinking about moving overseas. Such a young boy and already having such deep concerns!
Jesus, what is an alpha today… Rosy’s & co alpha is probably not an alpha in my book.
Totally agreed with the “for whom” phrase. It’s the same for women. You will work for your love interest or a real quality male (the type that you prefer and desire), but if you don’t see any around you, why bother?
Mr N, I have said a couple of times that we are talking about different “feminisms”. I’m a gender equalist rather, while feminism is not a cuss word for me, I don’t fear the F word being directed at me. Even more so, after reading so much inadequate stuff about it and seeing this misogyny makes me wanna assert myself as a feminist. And, no, feminism is not about slut it up girl. This is what the mainstreamed porn culture is about. Sexual freedom does not imply sluttiness and sleeping around indiscriminately, feminism here simply demands that the double standard for sexual behavior be canceled. This is how it is in Scandinavia so it’s easier to breathe there.
And when men become knights/providers, women will become ladies.
Actually, in more progressive societies “feminism” is about men’s rights these days.
[editor: you have drunk deeply from the well of delusional equalist think.
ps the name’s roissy. learn it.]
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Skadi,
You seem like such a “nice” girl.
But my God are you clueless.
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Skadi says, “It is certainly not the feminists who demand that women dress/appear like that, as they have in fact vehemently opposed that and fought against that – a battle that they have lost against the big money and male whims. ”
That is a lie. Feminists promoted the Twiggy ideal. They also upped the ante to an infertile ideal.
They even published articles about how a woman shouldn’t strive to look like an outdated fertile ideal. These things magically disappeared (or really went underground) once they got into fat acceptance because they realized they were alienating most women.
I called bullshit on that move back in the 90’s. Until then, an “empowered” woman had to be a skinny one or else she was a mentally ill victim of sexual abuse and “the patriarchy”.
Their tune changed because women got angry about therapists and others trying to convince them that they’d been sexually abused and had eating disorders. A good bit of the anger you see in fat acceptance is because of that transition trend.
They were also vehemently against BDSM including Femdom/malesub until around that time too.
Feminists love to rewrite history to suit their current bid to hijack another feature of true liberation…but some of us are still around who remember when they called us sick freaks.
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Nicole, the waif image was imposed by the ridiculous boy lovers fashion industry.
When and why and which feminists opposed Femdom?
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Yeah Skadi is pretty clueless here and now I have to take time to address a few of her choice musings:
“…the waif standard was created by gay men. But I was actually refering to the FHM/Playboy culture which puts an oversexualised, almost naked woman on a pedestal. It’s called men’s entertainment, gone mainstream. It is not a normal standard to impose on women.”
Notice how even when pretending to acknowledge fault, she finds a way to blame men by putting it on gay men.
How many Cosmos and Elle type magazines do you see at the grocery store every day compared to the Playboys and Maxims?
You think that women don’t have their own form of escapist fantasy that is impossible for men to achieve? Then why are the pages of your fashion magazines littered with images of rugged alphas who are the perfect blend of prettyboy and tough guy?
There is evidence that women are much larger consumers of porn than ever before, and they are certainly the biggest participators in it.
There is no madonna/whore dichotomy. It’s real simple. Men want a lady in the streets and a whore in the sheets. We don’t want you to dress slutty, we want you to dress sexy. If you don’t know the difference, you need to learn more about being a woman.
“Pussy should not be for free – men should do something to deserve it, either be exceptional or super nice/romantic/loving (or support their lay financially).”
This statement reveals the heart of your nature. You think that somehow pussy is worth more than cock, and men need to offer something above and beyond the sexual pleasure they give you. Giving you the precious seed that allows you to conceive a child, then being legally obligated to care for that child and you, for 18 years or more, is the most precious gift you could ever hope to be worthy of…and yet it is seen as nothing by these self-absorbed feminists. What are YOU bringing to the table besides your loose pussy that three dozen other guys have already had for free? Answer that and stay fashionable! Are you funny, bright, charming, intelligent, successful, and entertaining?? I thought the fuck not!
You wonder why so many guys reply to the slutty ads on dating sites, or would be willing to screw anything that moves. Ask yourself what kind of culture would lead to this. I’ll tell you what kind: Feminism, combined with an obesity epidemic, combined with draconian divorce laws, combined with female hypergamy, have all added up to a toxic situation where normal, smart, hard-working nice guys can no longer find a pleasant, attractive, supportive bride, so they become desperate monsters ready to use any hole for sex just to fill that yawning gap in their souls. This is what feminism has wrought on us.
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Skadi says, “Nicole, the waif image was imposed by the ridiculous boy lovers fashion industry. ”
WTF?
Goodness…Please Google Twiggy.
“When and why and which feminists opposed Femdom?”
How could you have possibly missed one of the biggest debates in feminist history post 1970?
http://www.evilmonk.org/a/abuse00.cfm
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Some women compete to be thin in the extremes, just like some men compete to be the most extremely muscular. It is not the other gender’s fault that these outliers have obsessive-compulsive body issues. Gay men did not impose the waif standard – another ridiculous assertion. Most gay men prefer a more athletic, muscular image to a skinny waif. After watching women compete and snipe at each other to jockey for high-status men, I am quite certain that it is other women who control the beauty standards. Why do you think the night club beauty displays put on by women are primarily aimed at other women – in the bathroom and on the dance floor?
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Dally,
It is assumed that the waif image came from the boy loving gay designers. I’m not putting collective blame on gay men, as most gay men are in fact quite nice. Fashion industry is an exaggeration of vanity. If a normal, relatively slender woman walked down the cat walk, she would be called a “fatty”. You think this is normal? Feminists have written masses of articles trying to defy this imposed image of a woman with a super skinny early teenagers body with artificially enlarged breasts.
Cosmo is a waste of paper. It should not come out every month. There are two many magazines with overblown airbrushed images. This is because in today’s materialistic society it is only the external appearance which is valued. Read the entry of this blog where the woman’s ‘status’ is being calculated. And then you expect the woman to focus and strive for wifehood and motherhood???
Yes, the perfect blend of pretty boy and tough boy. It’s there. And I enjoy, yes, I admit that I have fallen for it too. But there needs to be some parity at least. There are these male images (and boys are affected by them), but there are far less of those than oversexualized female images. They don’t come nearly in the scope and magnitude. Let there be more of those images so that the boys hit the gym and comb their hair, since they expect the girl to be all “hot” yet don’t wanna pay for the dates anymore. If you don’t wanna be the gentleman or the provider anymore, but a gamer, then let’s have equality.
Believable that women consume more porn, but they are not the LARGEST consumers of it by far. And the money is made by guys who run porn studios. The girls only get a relatively small sum of it.
I wrote in the above post how the men want the woman to dress. But it doesn’t change the fact that they will always be attracted to whorish looking women. Not all men, btw. There are some quality guys still left out there.
I value both sexes equally. But if we are equal, I reserve the liberty to have sex with the guy who I find the sexiest (which is usually an LTR guy). I appreciate the pleasure a guy gives me. It is just my personal opinion that women should be more selective as who they give it to, as many guys are taking it for granted.
Come on, most guys do not “give their precious seed to you” as most guys don’t wanna get you knocked up, but just to have sex. And most guys who engage in casual sex do not long to be fathers for 18 years.
That guy that you are describing here, I value the most, but the majority of guys are not like that.
I can’t show you here what I am like and what I can offer. I’m here just to make some points against women bashing. I hardly ever argue with men who I’m romantically interested in. I don’t have to prove you anything, but, yes, I have been recently called “bright” by a really decent guy and, yes, I am successful (actually, very successful by my local standards). My domestic skills depend on the guy I’m with. Most people treat me with respect and admiration (I speak 4 languages and donate to charities). Today I was in a meeting with several American guys who really tried to linger on to converse with me. I don’t have to prove anything to you. I’m just saying that both parties should bring to the table equally.
I agree with your last paragraph, it is dramatic indeed. But it’s not just US style feminism, it is materialism or atomization of social values.
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Dally,
Gay men enjoy/prefer various physiques. Not just athletic masculine, but also boyish. I certainly appreciate their erotic mags. But that’s beside the point.. it was Lagerfeld who said that women with “feminine” figures (with curves) should not exist. I don’t know where it came from, but the fact remains that it is anti-women. And expecting the woman after 23 to look like an early teenager with artificially large breasts is not normal.
Nicole, thanks for the links, I’ll check them out.
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Thanks for arguing your case Skadi. I will touch on one of the points – saying that gay men dictate the waif standard is just another man-blaming feminist idea. You guys can’t swallow the fact that it is the competitive nature of other women that makes you dress ever sluttier and be ever skinnier. Fine…let’s look at it from a different angle. The magazines and imagery are made for the consumers who pay for it. By and large it is women buying fashion, beauty, and sexuality magazines and purchasing the products depicted in them. The advertising and imagery is aimed at women, and it is giving women what they crave and demand. Women hope that being skinnier and sluttier will land them a richer husband, so they willingly line up to play the game.
The old cliche about gay men pining for little boys and selecting waifish, boyish models because of this is homophobic.
Wouldn’t it be ridiculous for a body builder on steroids to blame his slavish devotion to the gym on women and their high standards?
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@Skadi
No, Tyrone, what you said would never happen in my case because women are in fact different (which is the very opposite of the gamers’ main premise it seems) and you are not my type (due to your psychological predisposition and being a regular poster on this site). Yours is not the dynamic I’m looking for (the man I would pick that dynamic with, is truly outstanding and probably out of my reach anyway but he is a completely different type than the gamers here). Not all women want the same things from a man. So don’t assume that just because your wife chose you (no matter how hot), I would choose you as well as I doubt you have the things I need/want from a man. There are many men with hot women who would not pick me, but who I would never want to be with myself either, who are just not my type or don’t represent what I look for in a male/long term partner.
That’s what they all say.
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Skadi
A female college student offered this interpretation. Young girls see a lot of obesity around them and it terrifies them. The idea of being a 19 year old girl supposedly hot but instead has a big round belly and a deep supra pubic crease is something they want to get as far away from as possible. In their minds, the skinnier they get, the farther they are away from the edge of the precipice of fat-doom. Like being thin was a safety margin.
In earlier times when straving to death happened to lots of people maybe a few extra pounds was regarded the same way.
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@Skadi
“It is a schizophrenic demand upon women to simultaneously be a slut and yet chaste at the same time. But you have to realize that the men are no longer traditional either. Can one seriously think that a self respecting woman is longing for a guy who has stuck his dick who knows where or who brags about his womanizing?”
A schizophrenic demand should sound familiar. Its a male shit test. Just as men are expected to pass, so are women. Men will take sex from women but in two very different ways, hence the seemingly impossible request. Men love and hate sluts.
Chimps have the biggest sperm loads due to the sperm war strategy. They fight with sperm. Its a big pay load to engage in such a war. Humans also have this effect. The male sex organ responds with pleasure and men have pleasurable orgasms with sluts to maximize the dose. Its why gang bangs or popular in porn. So the sensual pleasure goes up. Yet to bond with a slut is a cuckold risk. Even as he has pleasure, he must ultimately be repulsed. This is why sluts , sex, pleasure and contempt go hand and hand.
When the woman refuses, she passes the slut shit test. The sensual pleasure is reduced but the possibility of bonding goes up with a possible high investment strategy. Chastity makes men love, while easy sex gives hate and pleasure. Women are failing the LTR shit test and men hate and love them for it.
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Biki, an extra-large sweet, cream-filled doughnut for you. And Tupac too, for that insipidly naive comment.
Hey now. Let’s keep in mind that that my original comment *began* with the concession that once a critical mass of immigrants is reached, a chain reaction begins that feeds upon itself – contra Groan’s idealistic belief that newcomers would perforce assimilate to American norms. (Also, let’s be charitable and remember, as with many of my late night comments — “I don’t know, but I was really drunk at the time” – P.F.)
The excerpt Biktopia quoted of me was the conclusion to a reality on the ground in which immigration has *already* happened.
But let’s imagine, for the sake of argument, a situation in which our puppetmaster overlords have just recently opened the floodgates to outsiders. Let’s compare and contrast what the outcome might be depending on whether the indigenous population is made up of guilt-ridden liberal SWPL’s or PA clones. (Yes, I know the PA clones would never want this to happen in the first place, but let’s stipulate that, despite their best efforts, they are powerless to stop the flow of the NAM influx. )
Now, in my own experience, I’ve seen many a liberal (not even SWPL, necessarily) confronted with NAM boorishness, only to rationalize it away as “their ways of being”. In other words, due to their lacking the moral fiber to take a stand, they basically aided and abetted NAM immaturity. Much in the same way that “progressive” parents who attempt to be their childrens’ “best friends”, end up raising little monsters with no sense of boundaries. Cf. the Ozbourne kids.
On the other hand, imagine if the country was made up of PA clones. Remember — the NAM’s are seeping in, eventually reaching middle to middle-high positions in business and government. You interact with them at cash registers, at restaurants, at car dealerships, at banks, at bars and clubs, at house parties. They teach your children, give traffic tickets, attend church. In each and every one of these cultural border skirmishes where their Old World ways clash with the PA ways, an opportunity is revealed in which one group has the opening to teach/chastize/shame the other into a particular social conformity/tradition.
Are you telling me that in both of these scenarios, the same result obtains? Do you think the culture at large would be just as diminished? Do you really think permissive parents raise the same sorts of children as authoritative parents?
Perhaps I’m being naive, so I’d like to hear your opinion. I’ve just seen far too many examples of fence-sitting NAMS eagerly embrace Anglo norms once they’ve had the screws put to them. One of my good friends — an honest to goodness Cuban — transformed after being exposed to me and my clique. Granted, her family came from an mid-upper class background, but nowadays, if she goes to a store and the salesperson doesn’t speak English, she refuses to speak Spanish, and instead demands to speak to the manager. If the manager doesn’t speak English (a not too uncommon occurence here), she simply leaves. But not for a moment does she bother to slip into her native tongue. She understands and values the Anglo way of life.
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Mexican girls will always try to finish things by getting on top. That is, if you did your job right to get them started.
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chi-town
That was a good comment, chi-town.
While I usually like to emphasise that’s its possible to bond with a slut, the truth is I avoid slutty disco chicks and girls who want to maintain a revolving cock policy. Or secretly maintain it. I like the way you put it. A man who wants the longer strategy (a romantic), won’t be impressed by the slut strategy, even though he’ll go for the short term pleasure ocasioanally.
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She probably also feels slighted for being taken as a not anglified. It’s a class thing.
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Skadi šķiet ļoti saprātīgas, un, iespējams
The SocialCons here have to remember that the vast majority of males, especially the alphas, do not hate feminism for the sexual revolution that gave them so much extra sex (that they don’t regret), but for the way the Baby Boomer feminists decided at around age 40 (in the 80s) that if the alpha males their age no longer wanted them, the Hell these desirable men were going to be able to have sex with their students (as professors) or employees or with much younger “foreign brides”.
If I were a Baby Boomer female I would have been white hot angry that the Soviet Union collapsed and flooded the sexual marketplace with 20 year olds looking for older men just as I hit 40.
The Toxic Culture since the 80s is mainly coming from the Baby Boomer women who realized too late that the Sexual Revolution was an excellent deal for alpha males and young women who wanted to shop for the best alpha, but not for older females (and not a great deal for the Beta Males who are today’s White Knighters because they are envious of alphas, know that they have to take sloppy seconds and/or fear being cuckolded.
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Although there are Alpha SocialCon males who comment here, most SocialCon males are Betas who dream of a world where the women don’t get to meet many alphas or even where alphas are shamed and shunned (Victorian England was constructed for betas to shame alphas or send them off to build the empire).
Many alphas prefer and often get virgins…but this only upsets SocialCon betas more because they are left to marry the virgin the alpha broke in (and they resent her for it – while the alpha often maintains contact and a feeling of deep friendship with the former girlfriend who herself might pine for the alpha who wouldn’t marry her).
Moreover: Tons of Betas are happy with the sexual revolution because it has afforded them with more of a variety of sex than they would have gotten in the old days, although they would have had a wife back then who would have given them sex more often and may not have been exposed to anyone alpha enough to cheat with.
Gammas in the USA must be relatively ecstatic with the current situation because of the strip bars with upper middle class college students doing lap-dances in the USA. Sure, a Gamma couldn’t pay these same women $300 to take the lap-dance home (like any alpha can), but political correctness makes it so they are getting what has never in history been available to them (a dancer can refuse to press against a bad-smelling omega, but he can get more of a thrill if he showers and wears clean clothes.
By the way, we can avoid World War Four with China if the Chinese male surplus gets a lap-dance culture that Sunni Middle Eastern Muslims did not get.
I certainly don’t lose respect for a woman who has sex with me while I do lose respect for and interest in a woman who is obviously withdrawing too much sexual activity with me (including kissing) because she foolishly thinks I will like her more for it. I’ve found that such women often have really low esteem, not the opposite. They can also be among the most cruel human beings on Earth (young gorgeous Christian evangelist women in the USA can be monsters if raised to believe they have the highest sexual market value in the world).
So the SoCons complain about the sexual revolution, which most men consider the only thing the feminists did right (when the women were young and it helped them meet more alphas). The men’s rights movement can never take off without embracing the huge majority of males who will never agree with SoCons about monogamy and chastity (because even betas want to spread their seed around).
Men cannot be seen as complaining about the 60s, but about the 80s (date rape hysteria, sexual harassment propaganda, AIDS hysteria + divorce rape movement) and the 90s (stalking hysteria + VAWA) and 00s (foreign brides are victims rhetoric + International VAWA now up for a vote in Congress).
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The bottom line is most of us want virgins but only the alphas actually get them in a sexually free society. Betas will then say that it isn’t fair that the society is sexually free and make the illogical assertion that this is because the women aren’t virgins anymore.
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“Tonight, you shall sleep with the woman who just puked on the potted palm in the lobby we gave a breath mint, and your friend who always volunteers to sleep with the fat and ugly companion shall get the only woman in the place that is a perfect 10. We have spoken, your judgment cannot be appealed.”
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@Jerry
Good pair of posts. I agree with you as well. My beef with feminism has more to do with the political demonization and exploitation of men in the 80s and 90s, as you state. I had good times with my first few American girlfriends and they were not all that into games. Things were down to earth and pleasant. Then about 1982 or 3, shit started getting wierd with the rape propaganda and child abuse hysteria, all meant to demonize men and make it seem like all of us were Ted Bundy.
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Tupac – we got lotsa bro-lurrrv. Hope to respond at length later. For now, the entire fat creamy doughnut goes to our fluffy friend Biki.
Jerry – you may or may not remember one more huge hysteria from the 1980s: the child abuse witch hunt. It got to a point that fathers were scared of hugging their kids. It got kicked off into public consciousness with a TV movie “Something about Emilia.”
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@Tyrone I guess we all know the story all too well because I had actually forgotten to include in my 80s checklist of feminist degradation that mass hysteria about Ted Bundy had preceded the AIDS hysteria.
You couldn’t even mention his name, and therefore the topic, to discuss it with any female in the USA in the 80s and that included females in my own family including my mother. They would get too frightened (women would also go into convulsions if you mentioned the topic of AIDS in 1986 – to know about it might mean you have it).
The evangelists and the feminists worked in tandem on that and controlled almost all the media. They are still at it. Look at the above NRO article trying to get the Republican Party to get back on the Porn is Not Free Speech bandwagon. I sent that link to Karl Rove last night writing to him that more of this nonsense would kill the GOP.
Also, I didn’t like how the Monica Lewinsky scandal was used to launch the Fox News service and get the Republican Party to finally accept the Marxist feminist concept of workplace romance being “horrific”…after the GOP had solidly opposed the idea for 15 years. The only thing I admired Bill Clinton for was the way he was clearly getting laid left and right in the White House. Sure I was envious, but envy should not be a justification to decry another man’s character.
Then Fox News promoted Lis Weihl and kicked Marc Rudov to the curb after the audience voted him the winner of all their “He Said, She Said” debates.
The Republican Party tends to flip-flop or fold like an accordion because Alphas don’t go into politics much. For 20 years they stood solid against all attempts to regulate the “foreign bride” industry and then Maria Cantwell met Sam Brownback and she agreed not to filibuster the Alito nomination to the Supreme Court if he would just make sure the entire GOP majority senate voted for VAWA/IMBRA. That was like selling Manhattan for $24. Almost the entire men’s rights movement is now dedicated to overturning VAWA and they have the ultra Catholic Brownback to thank.
Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo were the only Republicans to vote against that. Two Democrat House members, including a woman, also voted against VAWA.
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@PA – One of Marc Rudov’s greatest accomplishments (or was it Glenn Sacks) was getting the State of Virginia to take down a billboard campaign ad that showed a man’s hand holding a child’s hand with the words “Report Suspicious Activity”.
They didn’t want to do it but they were shocked when enough men actually stood up for themselves in Virginia.
Glenn Sacks is now on top of anything like that.
However, British Airways has not rescinded its policy of forcing men to change their seats if sitting next to a child they are not related to.
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Dally,
I won’t add much as I sense that generally we have the same idea of what constitutes a good man.
But the outdated, superficial use of PC terms such as”homophobic” is really out of place. Some men in the fashion industry have certainly shaped the female beauty ideals and they happen to be gay. There is nothing homophobic about stating that fact. Karl Lagerfeld, for instance, has made some very nasty anti-women comments. And there is nothing homophobic about stating the fact that some gay men like boys.
Yes, women compete among each other, just like men do. But the point was that too much emphasis has been laid on the external, oversexualized female image. It is a huge industry. Consumerism has gone too far and it is great to see it breaking down.
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PA.
Im not completely sure what your standpoint is, so i can only speculate and as i don’t know your background, i will only tell my point of view a bit more detailed.
Coming, yes actually growing up in a bad suburb, one got used to the weirdest everydays, and bless, that i had a great mom taking me out from there, i know that with some discipline and role models you can take people very far, but without that, its doomed.
Sweden needed manpower in the 60’s and had a great immigration stream, that also contributed a lot, later, when the opportunities of getting a good job was scarce, end of 80’s beginning of 90’s, people where living on welfare, and managed to assimilate to minimal living, the childsupport was adjusted to arrive just when the social money was about to run out. And so people settled to this lifestyle.
Also, what is a problem that foreigners living there, they know the system and they use it to flux people into Scandinavia, human trafficking and other crimes, so lately, there are people that are restricted in their own country to commit criminality, and getting to little welfare, so they seek refugee status in Sweden, what can i say, i see people in Hungary that seeks refugee status in Sweden and Canada, (winter olympics?? hee, what hungarian wanted to see the winter olympics,,)and how ironic it is that those are the people that commit the crimes, they don’t want to choose to live like a good citizen, and then they turn to Sweden claiming they are discriminated, the fact is that they are not given opportunity to sit home on welfare or commit crime, so they are upset.
And, i know, descent people, will have to struggle to get a job. As for me, i don’t care if the person is green or blue, but all my problems here have been from these people, so i don’t trust, and so the ones that actually are good citizens, pay a high price due to what a smaller percentage of their kind is doing.
But as for the kids growing up in a bad suburb in Sweden, had no chance of integrating into society, no chance, and they where bright and smart, and ended up in brainless job a factory truck driver, at best.
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…..feast your eyes upon Jaclyn Friedman, AKA “Fucking While Feminist”
I’ll bet she’s really, really hairy. Genetics + political statement.
Let’s see –
short
fat
hairy
Jewish
feminist.
Sounds about right.
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Thank you. Sorry for being late.
I love being enlightened more than being right. Alright, I aspire to love being enlightened more than being right.
I would agree that’s true, especially after reading Baumeister’s paper on suppressing female sexuality.
While I think the point is generally true, there are criticisms for me in this context:
Women have no use for goods in an atmosphere where they can provide for themselves. The ratio of men:women newly unemployed is so skewed that the recession can be fairly renamed by some parties as the ‘mancession’. Admittedly, women don’t always take advantage of this capability.
I submit also that while modern women may seek endless increases in their material wealth, this isn’t something they seek in their own healthy interests. In a different context from modern civilisation, seeking goods from men could be survival itself. In the context of modern civilisation, it is destructive and unnecessary.
Relationships are much more valuable right now and where the true poverty lies.
Last thing is in the specific context of Game, the pool of attractive men would increase. However, I don’t believe Game will become so widely and well practiced as to change the overall dynamics of gender relations substantially. That is, there will always be a ready supply of beta.
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Fantastic points by Bhetti.
What about those few women who are not hypergamous in the traditional sense (do not target someone who is more affluent and higher social status)? Who are looking for romantic love and want other qualities such as sexiness, faithfulness? There are increasingly more women like that, in the 20s age group women actually make more than men in certain parts of the States. A lot of these women have both erotic and financial capital. Some of them will not be hypergamous and what options do they have? Since many men have problems with women who are independent..
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The “problems men have with women who are independent” is that such women tend not to be very generous…
With the emancipation of women comes the problem of independence. Like women have said, they do not need men. Fish don’t need bicycles and women don’t need men. That’s what is left when you remove a cultural obligation for women to need men. Left to their own devices, women don’t need men. The problems women have with men all come from women being dependent on men.
Once independent, women are free to choose. There is no inherent need to be satisfied by being with a man once the woman can make her own way. That leaves only her desire for male companionship, on her terms, as it suits her. For men to be similarly independent of women, men would need to be similarly free of any need for women. The reason why women have been historically forced by men to need men is because otherwise men could not get women to stay. It was a balance of power to meet a man’s need for a woman, in a world in which women have no such need for a man.
In a free society that recognizes men and women having an equal right to independence and choice, women automatically have the upper hand negotiating with men, just because the man needs the woman and the woman doesn’t need the man. The man can wish for the woman to consider, respect and meet his needs, but he should bear in mind that if she does, it’s a generous act she does for some reason of her own, and that if he tries to present her with demands he has nothing she needs in return.
In this new world, the needy men become supplicants to the independent women. Then if being a needy supplicant doesn’t sit well with a man, he will reconsider his need of women, decide it’s just a trick of reproduction, and withdraw from the negotiation for its being impossible, there being nothing she needs of him. Eventually you have men and women equally independent and nobody is together anymore.
How does one build a LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP with someone who doesn’t need you anyway?
Such a relationship consists of the daily affirmation of the goal of never needing you. The anniversaries celebrate the passing of another year of not needing you. You get notes in your lunch that say sweet things like, “I didn’t have to make you this sandwich…”
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Martian, the question as you’ve framed is then “how to make a woman need you”.
There are answers to that question. I have one on my blog entitled “how to enslave your mate”.
You need to do associative conditioning when with her such that she associates all pleasure with you. You need to give her great sex regularly. You need to slowly have her associate following your command with pleasure. You need to be come her authority and father figure. You make her bound to you through positive and negative reinforcements.
You can make a woman need you so badly that she won’t be able to eat or sleep or think of anything else other than you if you are away. She’ll tell you she wants to be with you forever and if you were to leave her she’d remain celibate. Of course she wouldn’t, but her emotions will be so strong she’ll say that.
Regardless of women’s outward freedom, they can be ensared in a well woven web.
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nice post thanks
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Martian, this is why I say that love isn’t rational. It’s one of those things that is just human. Humans seek affection, unless of course that part of their brain has been damaged.
What worries me is that there are ways to damage a person psychologically in a way that will physically alter their brain. If people are programmed to believe that seeking affection or certain kinds of affection is bad, then they can become twisted. They’ll still need what they need, but they will see no way of getting those needs met.
This is, in my opinion, the problem with mainstreamed beauty rating.
There is such a thing as objective beauty, which is related to fitness, which includes hormone levels. Social status and appeal is related to this. It doesn’t become a problem until either the social standard of beauty gets separated from objective/natural beauty, or certain kinds of beauty that are not tied to fitness become socially tied to it because the “powers that be” have an agenda to attempt to trump nature.
In western cultures, the estrogen rich, round faced, sturdy, breeder type girls who know they need men are being rejected in favor of masculine women who want very badly to believe that they don’t need men. The softer girls are being encouraged to look and behave like the boys with vaginas.
I used to have a boy with boobs look, and when I dressed like a suburbanite, I attracted good conformist boys who were looking for a conventional wife. That ain’t me. When I dressed like myself, I sometimes attracted those, but more often guys who I had more in common with, and were even more butch than me.
I wasn’t stupid, and didn’t believe that I didn’t need men, but for practical purposes, I kind of didn’t need what most men had to offer. Whatever my overall philosophy may have been, my nature is my nature.
I’ve softened up to some degree with age, but I’m still me, and I feel better about myself when I am lifting weights and kicking ass. All I would need to be a ball busting harpy is less accountability and a higher sense of entitlement, which is basically what most girls who look like I did have today.
…and you guys looking for a wife? If you’re looking at someone with better abs than you, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I’m not saying that a masculine woman can’t be nurturing, and can’t feel real need for her partner. I’m saying that in this day and age, it’s far less likely than if you select for someone more actually feminine rather than media feminine.
If you are not broken or twisted then follow your own dick, not the television. Do not feel that you have to do what society deems appropriate today, because the leaders have broken a trust with you. Rather than building a stable civilization based on trust, bonding, and real family, they are selling you an ideal based on the women most likely to stab you in the back.
That girl you picked on in high school because she crochetted her own legwarmers and liked unicorns should have been the one you were trying to marry before she grew older, got bitter, and morphed into cigstache.
Marry her before some heartbreaker convinces her that men hate her, and she turns to twinkies for comfort.
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Marry her before some heartbreaker convinces her that men hate her, and she turns to twinkies for comfort
Nicole, good point but Skittles rather than Twinkies would be most apt in the circumstances (231 calories a packet)
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“A bang-up demolition job as usual, R.
Back in her day, JF wasn’t terrible looking. Around a 5 or 6:
But here she is today:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3196406985_5ca03e3de3.jpg?v=0
Take it away, boys.”
I would give her a higher score in her youth. She was at least a 7 or an 8. Now she’s more like a 3 or a 4. When will women get it? We aren’t attracted to them whoring around the way they are attracted to us having “experience?” Maybe some of these women had fathers who never had “the talk” with them.
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“I suspect it depends on your definition of ‘desireable’. In my experience, if you ‘attract’ a man (or woman, or anyone) based on the fact that you are young, cute etc then you won’t get to ‘keep’ them anyway. As soon as you stop being young, someone ‘cuter’ comes along or whatever and he’ll be off in a minute. So if you want a lasting relationship, building one based on physical attraction alone will never work.
None of the feminists I know have had issues attracting partners, few of them have had issues maintaining longlived relationships if that’s what they wanted. I know many more young, cute, ‘pleasant’ girls who have wound up in their thirties alone and depressed because the men who adored them so much ten years previously have predictably run off with someone younger.”
Feminazi, I think it depends too. No one, male or female values a total doormat. Men will say they want a nice woman, but what that means is we don’t want a chick that’s going to henpeck us. We want a woman who can hold her own, but who doesn’t start a fight or start shit at every little thing. A woman who is a doormat exudes the fact that she will take disrespect from a man and that’s not attractive either.
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moments like this make me want to stab a bitch.
just because I can.
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Joseph
I’m not sure why you are saying this, Joseph. Have you ever had a woman totally submit to you? I have and it feels great.
I think the only reason men say they don’t want a submissive woman is that they don’t want to appear threatening. Maybe they think it’s scary to oppress a woman, and they want to get laid.
But a woman who gives up and becomes your slave is a great thing. Nothing better.
My slave is out doing chores for me right now. She’s an ex slave, but my hold over her is still strong enough that she flew over to take care of me in a time of need. She does everything I tell her to, and is happy to do it.
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Sdaedalus, why settle? Raisins are nature’s Skittles.
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No, nothing compares to Skittles as far as SDaedalus is concerned. Jelly beans might run them a close second (no double entendres intended or appreciated here) Don’t forget that what’s settling for one woman might not necessarily be so for another. SDaedalus appreciates that consumption has to be limited for health reasons, but that is part of the charm.
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xsplat
[QUOTE]I’m not sure why you are saying this, Joseph. Have you ever had a woman totally submit to you? I have and it feels great.
I think the only reason men say they don’t want a submissive woman is that they don’t want to appear threatening. Maybe they think it’s scary to oppress a woman, and they want to get laid.
But a woman who gives up and becomes your slave is a great thing. Nothing better.
My slave is out doing chores for me right now. She’s an ex slave, but my hold over her is still strong enough that she flew over to take care of me in a time of need. She does everything I tell her to, and is happy to do it.
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I understand what you mean. But I meant that I think we all like someone with some spunk and personality. I definitely want a woman to do things for me.
Roissy, I’d love to hear your thoughts on how some of these women grew up to be such strong, aggressive women like Jaclyn Freidman. Do you think she had a weak, omega father or no father at all? What type of mother raises a woman like JF? I’m becoming more intrigued with getting a sense of these super crazy feminist women’s backgrounds and childhoods. I think that would tell us a lot more about why they turn out to be amazon devils or dc lawyer chicks like you call them.
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SDaedalus, I respect your love for Skittles, but when a male brings nuts and berries, you know that it’s mating season.
I like things chunky.
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Still not following you. How is that in opposition to doormat?
Actually, I don’t even understand doormat. No one is a doormat – not in any sustained way. You can’t have a girl enthusiastically cater to your whims if she feels she is being put upon. She has to feel she’s doing it because she wants to.
I know what an anti-doormat might be. A woman with a micrometer in her pocket that she whips out whenever chores are to be done, so she can be sure they are divied up 50/50. I don’t allow that sort of spunk anywhere near me.
I like a girl with a cheerful disposition who is not concerned about standing up for herself. She knows I’m standing up for her, and is happy to serve. And she knows I server her interests, in my own way.
The way I handle things is that I make the money, the girl does everything else. I usually work more hours, but I make her work too. I act just as a boss in a company acts. She serves just as eagerly as an employee who enjoys her job and likes and respects her boss.
She’s welcome to display her spunk and personality, up to a point. As long as things get done.
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But in the west the new zeitgeist is that men and women walk beside each other. The women often has her own job, her own boss, and the man and woman are a team.
Fuck that. That’s just stupid and silly. Because where is the hierarchy? Who’s the boss? It’s not possible to have a social situation without hierarchy – anyone who thinks it is is deluded. Femdeluded. If the man thinks he’s part of a team of equals, he’s unconsciously following orders.
It makes more sense and is more practical and everyone is happier if you just let it out in the open. The man is the boss. And if he’s not, fuck that team noise. She has claim to him to the degree she gives up autonomy. To the degree she becomes his slave, to that degree he owns her, and she has some claim to own him. If she stands separate and autonomous, then so she is. And so he is.
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In SE Asia, if a girl is visiting and takes a shine to you, she’ll clean your fridge.
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hahahaha…you wanna know who the boss is?
“I’m the boss, I’m the boss, I’m the boss”.
I’d explain further but then I’d have to pull myself together and stop laughing long enough to type it without having to correct the mistakes. Plus it might not be as funny after all that.
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Wonderwoman, if you are going to say nothing at all, say nothing at all.
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Why, I have just as much a right to take up space as the rest of you.
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This is for the few tenacious feminists here.
Game is Manipulation?
Women who think game is manipulation are truly objecting to one thing: Otherwise BETA males are getting into their pussies. They’re being tricked into sex with guys that wouldn’t get them without game.
Women absolutely LOATHE Beta males. Their contempt for the majority of men is naked and obvious at all times. Even beta husbands only get access to sex grudgingly. So:
1) Ignore the bleating of self-deluding “feminists”. Always run good game. Never feel guilty about it for even a nanosecond. It’s what wins them and keeps them happy.
2) Women have bitter contempt for weakness. Love will wither and she’ll be secretly wishing some bad boy alpha would push her up against a wall and use her like a whore.
Be her alpha. And never regret it. Learn good game. Be superior.
Success is the entire purpose. A good man will game his mate (s) all her life, and she’ll be gloriously happy for it.
Males from other countries instinctively know this.
Feminist Lies
I defended everything taught to me by my feminist-inspired equalist background throughout my 20’s and early 30’s like a good drone. It was absolutely, completely, inescapably wrong. But I knew this instinctively. When I let myself be male after 30, I was shocked: I managed to rack up an impressive track record. All attractive women. All over 6-7, easily, some 8. I’d been an idiot in my 20’s.
Seriously, the feminists cut off men’s testicles and then laughed at them, while they fucked all the bad boys. Everything about the feminist equalist creed is one huge lie. Women absolutely loathe “nice guys”. Any half-attractive woman hates the good Beta.
Who told me I was dead wrong?
My foreign LTRs. They made it clear to me: I want a real man. The first said, over and over: fucking own up to it and be a man. I am a woman, you are the man. Be the man. I am your partner, but we are not the same. I will be your woman. I have no interest in being a man. You do that.
These women were no pushovers, either: tough and smart.
Forget North American women. It’s just not worth it. They contradict themselves and date assholes and dicks all the time, and cheat with wild abandon. They helped make this the Golden Age of the Alpha Male, because like all women, Alpha Males are what they want. And then they lied to all the Betas. We were absolutely suckered. They still play stupid games. And then they complain about Game.
FOR THE MEN:
GET OUT OF DODGE
North American feminism or hypergamy getting to you? Getting tired or bitter? Want out of a situation the feminists and Alpha Whores have poisoned? Or, more importantly,
Too many fat chicks?
This cannot be stated more clearly.
*Forget* North American women. Relatively speaking, they are a total waste of time.
Go to northern Asia or western Europe. Seriously.
Everyone I know who has done this, including me, has said exactly the same thing. The smart ones bailed a long time ago: No one I know who did regretted it for a second.
North American women know this. They’re often bitter about it. In a no-holds-barred sexual mating competition, all else being equal, if there’s a common language, Asian and European women snag the best North American men hands down every time. It’s absurdly easy for them.
** No fat chicks!
For you Western Feminists: These women are not “submissive” or “weak”. They may not be “feminists”, but assholes and shitty men screw with these women at their own peril.
These actual females are just not as delusional as you.
German women are not pleasers, by any stretch. And they’re (scary) funky in bed: Guys, step up or get out. Italian women are made of fire and brimstone, but are wonderfully woman. Korean women beat the crap out of their husbands with glee, but are loyal and true all their lives to a strong guy. Japanese women accommodate, sure, but they’ll fuck a husband’s best friend to get revenge without the slightest remorse, right before husband gets home.
You get one thing that’s awesome: No “Feminist” bullshit. They expect you to be male. They want to know you have testicles and they’re comforted by this. They love it and will tell you. And you absolutely have to let them be women. That means: run good game. Be a decent guy. If you fuck around, because you’re a guy, damned well keep it a secret, you jerk. Etcetera.
For those who want to bail, there are two tiers:
A: Higher quality men
Korea, Japan, Taiwan (maybe parts of China) / Germany, Italy, France, Spain, (maybe Portugal).
– Developed economies: Not looking for a walking ATM. You can have real relationships. These places are frankly often wealthier than North America. They don’t want your money. Just you.
Note: NO FAT CHICKS. *wow*
That’s just awesome with a side order of surprise.
B: Lower quality men: China, Phillipines, Thailand / Russia, Eastern Europe, Greece, Balkans
– Less developed economies: Desperation makes real relationships more difficult. But still possible. They want money, but they might also want you.
** Warning: Hot babes here are dangerous LTRs.
Bail out. Now. Don’t, don’t, don’t waste your time, your second life (after a divorce / broken LTR / String of North American princesses) on North American women over the age of 30.
Examples:
Korea. Incredibly well-educated place. Loaded with cash. Stocked to the rafters with staggeringly beautiful women, it’s almost painful to walk down the street with your eyes open. Many of them love foreign men. A good portion will marry them. Almost all with fuck foreign men. Harem-building is expected of any foreigner there. Want something more? A super-hot LTR/mate? Bring substance, and you’re king.
** Special note: officially, the culture is anti-sex, so women are demure and standoffish. Unofficially, it’s a wild land of pussy and love hotels. All Western men who go there are shocked. No exaggeration.
*** Marry one and, if you have substance, it’s said they’re the best women on Earth in every way. Pretty accurate.
**** No fat chicks.
Japan: Women will fuck you all the time. You have to be dead not to get laid by hot women almost constantly. The place is so loose it’s amazing it doesn’t fly apart when people sit up. Marriage is a tougher call.
** They have their own NON-WESTERN feminist revolution going on. It seems much healthier, frankly. There’s definitely a lot more sex. It won’t affect you, just the wussy Japanese guys.
*** No fat chicks.
Germany: Much the same as North America, but they appreciate strong men. They don’t care about game. And they absolutely love sex.
Italy: Super hot women. Make North American women look like frumpy old fashion dropouts. Appreciate strong men.
** Italian men are incredible. Foreigners get some leeway, but good game is key.
ANGRY, BITTER ANGLOS
You want bitter, angry nearly celibate women? Try any western woman working in Korea or Japan. They don’t want the local guys – too girly, small, deferential, mammas boys.
And the western guys, well, shit –
Western guys have the embarrassing availability of the absolutely hottest, best-educated, smartest 20-30 year-old women in Asia. (No Fat Chicks!). Why would they spend 3 minutes with a frumpy, angry, bitter Western woman?
This is the advantage:
1) Hot Sex. All the time.
2) Marriage material: Do something to break the cultural barriers, adapt a bit, and these women universally make amazing mates. Incomparable. All the advantages of a first-world country, all the advantages of not being a feminazi nightmare.
2) They expect you to treat them more equally than the locals; but they see it as their birthright to be properly, thoroughly and gina-tinglingly gamed all the time. They know what it’s about instinctively and they absolutely love it.
3) The best ones will have no problem mating with you. Even being taken home. Or just out. Or in.
4) Don’t be a pussy. If you even pretend to be a house husband, she’s absolutely gone.
There’s my 2 cents. Ditch North American women. By comparison, they’re well and truly not worth the time.
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@Gorbachev
If you fly to Milan to buy a Ferrari nobody questions your driving skills.
If you fly to Moscow or Warsaw to meet women who blow Italian and German women away, nobody questions your social skills…except the feminists you just carried water for.
Even the Beatles knew the women of the USSR “leave the west behind”.
You are one fucking piece of work insulting Roissy and all the experienced men who know that Western Europe is racked with feminists and ugly Marxist women compared to Russia and Eastern Europe where the women are mostly conservative (very few whores).
Germany is filled with brothels because the men can’t stand their own women. And you will see only Mercedes and BMW in their parking lots. This doesn’t mean the best men go to Eastern Europe to buy the women there. It means the best men split between those who go to the brothels (with just as many German whores as Polish whores in them) and those who want marriage material in the east.
The richest German men are as desperate to not deal with their women as the richest and smartest American men refuse to deal with American women.
QED: Almost all the smartest Alphas over 35 go to Eastern Europe…the highest quality men, and no, they don’t buy the East European women.
What is really sad is that West European feminism is spreading east. The Czech Republic is now part of the feminist west, more or less.
Fuck @Gorbachev you for repeating the feminist lie that the women of Eastern Europe are *desperate*. Far from that. That hasn’t been true anywhere in Eastern Europe for more than 10 years (with the possible exception of war-torn Bishkek- nobody wants to date Chechen black widows).
Saying that just validates the so-called first world being feminist.
I live in Eastern Europe. I can guarantee you that 90% aren’t interested in foreigners. That hurts because you will see the type of women walking by whom you would die for but the shoot-down statistics are sky for high compared with when you see a rare decent looking woman in the west. You better know the local language in East Europe as well. The best of those who happen to not know English literally won’t give you the time of day otherwise.
As I walked out of a pool changing room today, I saw a 10 about 18 years old walking in with what seemed like her father (they split into the separate dressing rooms). She was so incredible looking that I went back in and changed to see her at the pool. It turned out that the man was her boyfriend or husband, local – not from a western country – twenty years older, totally fit and muscular and very alpha in his demeanor.
Obviously, being an American and possibly making more money than he does would make no difference to this non-desperate beauty and I am just going to have to eat my heart out (East Europe is getting richer so it is definitely not a given that you will not have plenty of local male competition in the financial department).
Having said that, I won’t have to eat my heart out so much because this morning I still had a date with an 18 year old 9 and tomorrow night I have a date with an 18 year old 10 (I am over 45). Neither of these women could be described as anywhere near desperate.
They just like older men in Eastern Europe. Feminism has not told them not to think this way.
Whereas sitting in a sidewalk cafe in Germany might present you with one 10 every ten minutes (better than what you see in the US) sitting in a cafe in Estonia will get you one 10 almost every 10 seconds. But, damn, you have to have 10 times more game to get one interested.
The scammers you here about from East Europe are less than 1% of the women, and almost always nowhere near the best looking (most scammers are 6s and 7s at best). They used to hang out in what radical feminists call “Mail Order Bride sites” but the real scam in half the profiles on those sites is that the women aren’t interested in meeting American men at all and a local agency just wants to make some dork write letters back and forth with one of their employees.
But American dorks who write letters back and forth with agency employees at $10 a letter…are NOT indicative of the quality of Americans who actually GO to Eastern Europe and meet the women on those sites in person and on the street in person. Half the so-called “Mail Order Brides” are interested in meeting a man who actually has the guts and the money to travel, are very picky about whom they get into a relationship with, and often blow away western women (German women) six ways to Sunday.
Sure, because there are so many 9s and 10s in Eastern Europe, you can find enough women who will date a foreigner for his money (in a non-scamming capacity), but that is the same dynamic that exists in the USA (women dating men for money).
I’ve always held that, after Eastern European women, anti-feminist young American women (the many that will agree with us guys when we say feminism is a problem) are much better than screwed-up Marxist Western European women.
West European Marxists often don’t care how much money a man makes. That is not good at all except for 20 something confused US males living off their dad’s money and pretend they are alpha males because some feminist German chick wanted to fuck someone her own age (which they are told to do according to feminist doctrine).
For a woman not to care about a man’s experience and career is Marxist bullshit for successful men over 35. It is anti-intellectual if a 20 year old woman prefers a man to be in his 20s more than for him to have read the same books and actually be interesting.
No culture is cool if the women tend to date their own age because, mathematically, most of a man’s adult life is spent when he is much older than the women he wants to fuck. If @Gorbachev got lucky in Germany and Italy when he was in his 20s…I dare him to try to get 20 year old local pussy there in his 40s. Sure, it happens, but it happens more in Eastern Europe. Much more. And with higher quality women.
Regarding curing feminist Western Europe and the less annoying US feminists: the good thing about fighting feminism is that, at any moment, it can be defeated if that year’s new crop of 18 years old were NOT brainwashed to be feminists.
But you will have to dismantle the Marxist German and French universities in order to make these Western European countries older male-friendly again.
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The bottom line @Gorbachev is that you had no need of splitting the “Don’t date North American women” crowd into those who still want to promote the feminist west and deride those who reject that – and real travelers who know the score. I would have let your crazy “German women are kinky in bed” slide otherwise (the older generations of German women, including the Baby Boomer German women, largely refused to do blow jobs and I doubt the new crop are better or worse in bed than women of any other nationality).
I’ve seen real losers – mostly non-white as well – get laid in Germany because some gorgeous Marxist women feel that losers deserve at least this as compensation for White Males supposedly having all the money. It wasn’t “game” that got these young losers laid. Game is what is needed with the better quality women to the east.
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Also, you get laid in Germany if you keep your mouth shut about the Iraq War having been necessary (if that is your opinion) and never, ever, question feminism. It is one of those western countries where women grade men like teachers according to the political correctness of what he said.
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Dragnet–
You’re wrong and Tyrone is right.
You do need to shake off feminist programming on this.
Look it very much depends whether actually forcefully taking sex from your initially unwilling wife is a good idea. It has to be done the right way and under the right circumstances for it to be a good idea. But the regularly “brutally raped wife” is almost entirely a feminist myth.
The important thing though is the shift in power and attitude that the novel feminist crime of “marital rape” created.
Women formerly had a duty to sex their husbands. It was a fundamental part of the marriage deal. She wasn’t supposed to withhold sex to get his compliance with things, though his being a good man to her certainly could and did affect her enthusiasm. (Though so does his marital game.) Mothers advised daughters of this duty, and of the wisdom of following it gracefully. As well frequently when women don’t want sex initially, they can want it once a man w/any skills begins. Yes that should usually be happening well before penetration, but sometimes mock rape is hot as well. This law makes that dangerous if she’s subsequently pissed about something.
Throw of this feminist programing too Dragnet.
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This post was hilarious.
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[…] Hier sieht man schön, dass sie den Grundwiderspruch durchaus begriffen hat, aber ihr nicht deutlich wird, worauf er eigentlich beruht: Zuviel Zustimmung ist nicht sexy. Auch ein Grund warum ich „Yes means Yes“ für nicht praktisch halte. Ich bin gespannt, ob die Vorhersage von Roissy über die Ehe von Jessica Valenti zutreffen wird. Eine schöne Besprechung des Interviews und Ansichten dazu, eine Feministin zu daten, auch bei Roissy. […]
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