Sometimes ignorance really is bliss. Of the last 25 out of 30 girls I’ve slept with, I’ve used the following game tactics on all of them in almost the same order and at the same point in time of the pickup:
- indirect opener, usually situational
- if cockblock was present, one neg to cb asking if her friend is “always this way”
- if cockblock wasn’t present, one neg directly to target about her “hair color being totally in style right now”
- initiated kino sequence by laying my hand on her forearm, then later hand on her shoulder, then later still hand on her thigh
- one dance twirl (her, not me)
- one anchor (“hey could you watch my hat/scarf/pickup prop for me for a sec?”)
- one DHV story about my time hiking a volcanic island
- one to two venue change “bounces”, where i would simulate the experience of being on multiple dates by compressing it into two hours, making her feel she had spent more time with me than she actually did
- two questions qualifying her, usually “cute chicks are a dime a dozen, what else do you have going for you?” or “are you low, medium or high maintenance?”
- two rapport building routines (either the love test or the cube)
- one age guessing game (her: how old are you?” me: “guess” her: [whatever answer] me: “perfect!” or “i don’t think you’re fun enough/mature enough for me”)
- one vulnerability story (involves getting beat up by a bully i was trying to stop from beating up a nerdy schoolmate)
- one major kino escalation (usually hand behind her neck)
- kiss (i just go for it. no prepping) and/or number close
- same night lay if propitious
25 girls. 25 lays, flings, or relationships. All of them gamed in almost the exact same manner to achieve the desired result. Like winding up a watch. Or tapping a knee to prompt a reflex kick. Or shaking a leash by the door so the dog comes running, knowing a walk and a refreshing poop is on the way.
Game enough girls successfully and the predictability becomes numbing. I imagine this is how girls must secretly feel when they slather on makeup and squeeze into sexy clothes and then get the predictable horndog responses from men around them. They enjoy the attention, but at the same time their joy is laced with resentment toward men. They resent that it’s all so deterministic. Women are particularly susceptible to this resentment of the opposite sex because they are more emotionally invested in the pretty lie that romance and love must “happen naturally”. Men, having in general less experience with inciting predictable responses in the opposite sex, don’t get so weepy-eyed for the loss of innocence when they learn a thing or two about how the opposite sex’s sexual attraction mechanism works.
Which is how I felt for a long time. Game used to be a blessing. But then, you get so proficient that the patterns become all that you see. Like the green cascading numbers in the Matrix, individual charming women morph into machines in your mind’s eye, fleshy cyborgs of buttons and levers and algorithmic code, with a power cord that leads straight to their vaj. In your drearier moments, you find it difficult to even hoist them to the level of a machine; you instead picture them as feral animals, all instinct, no heart. Feral animals that give you sustenance — meat, love, or preselection.
The first girl I fell in lust love with said two words to me. “Hi”. Twice. I didn’t game her. I didn’t know what game was, or even that women desired differently than men. But I did know the way she laid down on her stomach on a chaise lounge in her front lawn, reading a book, her pale-skinned thighs glistening in the summer sun as she swung her feet in the air like scissors. To this day, my memory of her retains a spark of mystery and whimsical, effervescent delight. I have slept with and fallen in love with many girls since, but with (almost) each one the spark and the whimsy have progressively dimmed. The dark knowledge of the crimson arts has given me what I want, but at a price. A steep price.
I bought a lover a diamond bracelet. Knowing that excessive complimentary gifts to a woman are inevitably value lowering, I presented the gift with the flourish of a scoundrel. “I was going to surprise you with a beautiful cubic zirconia, but unfortunately this is all I could steal back from my ex-girlfriend on short notice.” Smirk, pause, pause… yes… good reaction from her. I’m pleased with my handiwork. Very pleased. I think I’ll take a step back and admire the moment I just crafted.
I sometimes miss those unpredictable moments when I couldn’t take a step back.

yes love still extists but women hate love
taht is why 80% of divorces are initiate by women
women are abse creatures who worship sex and gina tingles more than men who place honor first
have you heard about eve tempting man on down in the bible and the sirens and calypso and scylla and charbidis in homer’s oddyssey?
the looyal faithful penelope was the rarity–the one who understood love.
women just want to pump and dump and pump and dunmp and never think but only ever bitch that they don’t have families and men and love after riding random cocks for ten years lzozlzlzlzllzlzlzl
i mean look at what happens when you let women have power:
1) drug use goes up
2) marriage dies
3) the family ends
4) teh debt ballons
5) the government grows
6) the school sare dumbed down
7) entertainment beocmes superfical appealing to women’s baser material desires
8) porn proliferates as women prosper and profit from porn
9) thought, logic, and reason are shunned
10) the churches beocme harems where the fiat jesus is used as a prop to forgive the dc lawyer chicks for all tehir fornicating–tehir fucking and sucking and their bankrupting of a nation lzolzllllllzlzlz
remember that while more men watch pron, far, far more women participate in porn. the women participating in porn are far more addicted to porn than men who merely watch it. the women are doing far more damage to society, bringing down thousands or tens of thousands whiel a man only affects his immediate surrondings. i don’t really enjoy porn as i don’t wanna watch when i could be makin love lzozlzlzllzlzlz.
question to teh women here–why do so many of you enjoy doing porn now taht you have equal rights and equl opportunities? i mean you could become a doctor or a dc lawyer chick so why so many womn taking to porn now taht fatherhood has been killed dead ? lzozl
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You are such a good fucking writer (and that’s not an April Fool’s joke). Part of me wants to believe you mean this column sincerely.
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Ha! April Fools.
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Congratulations!
You have got to the point where you are sure
you can win, and thus you lose. Like having
nuclear weapons that cannot be used.
Try this:
Drop the bar/club scene. Go somewhere where
people hang out that share your interests,
besides pooning. Check out young women
that are sexually attractive to you. Engage them
in conversation. Find one that can hold your interest
– other than as a prelude to sex – for more than
ten minutes. Those may well be rare birds, but
you need to find only ONE!
Take it from there.
Best
Thor
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haha greatbooksformen has *got* to be a markov chain
talk about predictability
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your still a good man in my book, you have helped countless men escape from the painful cycles of use, misuse, and disuse by women. there are many more to be saved, and a few that wont allow themselves to be saved, but for no personal gain you have made this a better world for your gender one post at a time.
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oh lolzolzzzlzozlzz…
I miss the cock of obama. The commenter not obamas actual cock.
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This is only further proof that seduction is a system that can be broken down, taught and used consciously until of course it becomes internalized as unconscious habits. And of course it’s further proof that the teachers of “Natural” seduction are full of shit.
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Ha! April Fools.
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Overreaction. There’s no difficulty, no paradox. It is what it is. What you get are moments. Imagine otherwise, or imagine the Easter Bunny–in the scheme it makes not much difference. You get to craft moments. They pass, they come and go, yet they are all you live through. There’s nothing to complain about.
“No man deserves his freedom or his life who does not daily win them anew,” said Goethe’s Faust. No man deserves his moments who cannot create them. To the extent that he can’t or has lost the will to do so he is finished thriving.
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I also don’t know why this faggy picture remains attached to my email address. I’ve changed my appearance and the picture. Oh well. Guess I’m just a fag who quotes Goethe.
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Roissy/CR – this is the best stuff you have written to date.
Game numbs you because it destroys the whole ‘fairytale’ world view. Every time I feel oneitis now, I give myself a good slap and then promptly play some aloof Game. I feel like a massive dick, I appear like a massive dick, and there’s a good chance that I’ll get my (massive) dick wet. [well, I’m told I’m big, even though I’m average at best]
Any girl with some smattering of intelligence won’t have this view as you said. They know that if they dress sexy and go out 2 week after their menses, they will get a response. Must suck to be a woman sometimes.
I just want a girl to love, but why should I take the jump when I can have so much more fun and satisfaction playing the field?
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“I have slept with and fallen in love with many girls since, but with (almost) each one the spark and the whimsy have progressively dimmed.”
Many of those girls you would have never loved if not for said knowledge.
If you had spontaneously showed lower value, how many would have:
Laughed at you?
Ignored you?
Insulted you?
Strung you along for attention?
Milked you for free dinners?
Put you in the “friend zone”?
How many times would you have been the victim of unrequited love?
All the time wondering what you’re doing wrong, confused and lost that all the advice and knowledge that soceity has given you has done naught to end your desperate lonliness, to fulfill that ever-distant need of finding someone to love?
How many years could you deal with it?
Doing the same thing, the things you’re “suppose” to do- being nice, buying dinner, constantly showing lower value by defering to and pedastooling women; and having nothing to show for it?
How many years?
George Sodini says hello
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Having fun in the “game” is like betting on roulette. You can bet outside (red or black) and make small profits more often, or you can bet inside (individual numbers) and make large profits less often.
Game, especially indirect game, is like outside bets with a lot of notches, but that can get boring even if you are making money.
Or you can just be yourself, make longshot inside bets, and run the clear risk of celibacy. Even if you hit, you have no confidence you can do it again, and you’ll get needy as your bankroll shrinks.
I split the difference and mostly use direct game. Yeah I get rejected more often, but that keeps it fun and exciting.
I can fall back to indirect game if I hit a dry spell, and I can be myself when I’m running hot. I guess you can say this a line bet or a corner bet.
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Awesome April Fools, Roissy.
But last year’s was better.
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Of course it is an April Fool’s thread!
Now, having acknowledged that, for the few that want to take love seriously, you are never finding love on a bar stool. What you find on the bar stool is someone whom you have potential to love.
Trying to give and get love from a girl you just met is like trying to get the same nourishment fromeating watermelon seeds that you get from watermelons.
But, what you get from the bar stool is a girl you get pleasure from. As you spend time together, and go through trials together, you find you can rely on the person. As you build reliance, you grow in mutual love.
Now, the delusional man will think he is building a mutual love with a woman when she is clearly using him, and he’ll never see it. Percy Sledge sang about that, “If she’s bad he can’t see it. She can do no wrong. Turn his back on his best friend, If he put her down.”
But, a man who has learned the skills of seduction learns that very few women are worthy of giving love to. In fact, he learns that giving faux love can get from her most of what she has to offer. By giving faux love, he can test her.
Hopefully, he will find one that does pass those tests to the point he trusts her. The more he tests her before trusting her, the more solid his trust will be. And through those tests, the stronger his love for her will be.
The man who freely gives his love to one woman, without testing her, loves her little. He values her little, because he gives her something she has not shown merit to be worthy of.
So, Roissy, keep plowing through the ones who show themselves unworthy. When you find some that bring you pleasure, test them. Keep those that pass, around a little longer. Eventually, you will find some you can truly love.
Or, keep opening sets, negging the cb, and testing out new holes, if it makes you happy.
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Cue the inevitable femtard response that you’re lying and deceiving to get laid, and it would never work on them, only on insecure women…
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Reads like a blow-by-blow playbook seduction a la Mystery Method. This recipe for poon is more valuable than the recipe for Coca Cola. Too bad it can’t be monetized as such.
I confess I have not followed the method all the way through in such a thorough manner, but I look forward to trying it. It is nice hearing that it works from someone besides a 6′ 5″ goofy magician social butterfly wearing a feather boa.
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As I have mentioned before, men will feel the urge to be repulsed by women if they are perceived to be slutty. Think Darwinian and realize that a man who loves in a female promiscuous society will be punished aka the cuckold. The more sex with more women, the more he must hate women to prevent bonding. Sensual pleasure up, loving pleasure down.
My wife was younger from an all girls school in Russia. She had little sign of circulation. She is bonded to me. Once can love their own creation. Forget the possibility and enjoy the existence.
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That jaded feeling seeps into a woman’s interactions with men once she knows about game too. I find myself running everything a man says or does against what I’ve heard gamers say or do, wondering if we really do have “chemistry” or if it’s all just being manufactured.
I think the antidote to this disease for a man is to stop running game for a while and/or stop dating. For a woman, the same prescription: stop reading game blogs for a few months and you’ll see men and relationships with new eyes.
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Meh, I’d be disappointed if april fools is acknowledged around here.
anyway
“you instead picture them as feral animals, all instinct, no heart”
bingo, my own heart is growing cold towards professions of love, i sense that no woman can actually love me, only the buttons i push
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@chi-town
“men will feel the urge to be repulsed by women if they are perceived to be slutty”
Not me.
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trance music is pushing me away from love, Grigory Perelman-style
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@ Jamila
Translation: Go back to being AFCs so I can go back to riding alpha cock without worrying if I’m servicing some goddamned beta in disguise—who if he knew his place, would just accept forced celibacy and die.
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april fools
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This is such a sick fucking post, because it is true. What is even more fucked up is that men i think crave intimacy more than women, but what a man wants is to be able to emotionally expose himself. What is so fucked up about it is that society teaches you that women are emotionally the ones that expose, but it’s the exact opposite.
I think men crave stability and women crave the gina tingle.
It’s just sad. I’ve meet some many chicks that I would love to just settle down and chill with, but I guess deep inside me lays a beta guy who just wants to turn off the bullshit and simmer down.
But I know that is a one way avenue to divorce and cuckhold city.
What a fucked up world we live in. This shit you write is so true.
A women never forgets the alpha that scorns them. Never.
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I think the antidote might be a good stretch of time away from women entirely.
Sometimes, absence really does make the heart grow fonder.
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I hope you find that sweet innocent place again soon Chateau. Happy April, ya Fool!
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@Anton
So you want to settle down with a slut? How about a plate full of finger cookies at the rehearsal dinner for every cock?
You are not repulsed to have sex with them. You are repulsed from making any investment. Your impulse will prevent any real affection for them.
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This post was written in awareness of the date, but Mr. Chateau is not entirely unserious.
Questions from a careful reader: You said 25 of the previous 30 were gamed in that way. Were the other 5 more interesting? How many of the 25 still like you? How many of the 25 do you like now?
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Thats sad! Maybe take a break…work on your mind or soul or go to Brazil and be a shaman! I dont know! But..this is sad. Still, I, like the angels who followed Lucifer out thru Heavens Gate,have made my choice.I am with you! Or,as Hyman Roth once famously said: “This (kik) is the business(kik) that we(kik) have chosen!!” If u can stand another quote,I always like this one,and it applies to Game very well: “We few,we happy few,we band of brothers. For he todays that sheds his beta-ness shall be my brother;be never so vile.Game shall gentle his condition. And betas now abed (alone) shall think themselves accursed they were not here,and hold their manhoods cheap while any speaks that Gamed with us…”
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“Of the last 25 out of 30 girls I’ve slept with”
30? Whew…
I’m in the same number, and I was worried that I was a HUGE FUCKING BETA.
A Greater Beta maybe… since I have the bad habit of getting into boring LTRs sometimes.
Anyway, I learn a lot from this blog, and I am working on improvements.
Thank you, Roissy.
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Good april fools, mostly true but partly lie. Subtle.
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@dragnet
Translation: Go back to being AFCs so I can go back to riding alpha cock without worrying if I’m servicing some goddamned beta in disguise—who if he knew his place, would just accept forced celibacy and die.
I don’t think that a man who consciously stops dating and running game for awhile becomes some sort of chump. He is just taking a much needed breather to get back in touch with whatever it was he felt he had lost touch with.
He can always go back to being a gamer when he wants to.
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Reality is a cruel mistress. Welcome to the awakening. You exist in Samsara. Might as well get used to it.
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fellas… the “spontaneous romantic love” that all guys expects to exist when they are to marry a woman is a fictional creation of 19th Century literature.
That only exist when one is in the teens, and after that 1st love break-up that feeling no longer exists.
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Now this is not what Roissy is talking about though is what happens when a man spends his time swimming with women. You begin to see that this is NOT the end-all-be-all of life.
I do not agree with those who say “Take time off of gaming and dating”. That will make a successful man into an impressionable beta.
What people are missing is that GAME is a tool for PROCREATION. More specifically, game gives the man the tools to SELECT for quality women. The type of woman whom you want to educate your kids when you are not around, and make a man feel proud of himself and his achievements (whatever they may be). Without game a man ends up settling for the 1st slut who is looking to “put her past behind her and settle down”.
In addition, Game ensures that wife/husband relation does not turn sour. So the man has a “wet-&-bothered” pussy who will happily PROCREATE. It unbelievable the amount of men who willingly castrate themselves just because they are in a “relationship”.
The idea that “romantic love” holds a family together is a fallacy that is being fed to both men and women in Western culture.
-Spontaneous romantic love, only happens when you are young and naive.
-Romantic love is occurs from successfully gaming a woman and she successfully gaming you (for woman game read Confucian filial piety, or any religious text that talks about the role of women).
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Damn, I forgot what day it is today.
Always happens. Sometimes I have to think hard just to remember my own age.
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It is a false dichotomy that the options are numbing cynicism vrs. being lonely, humiliated, and manipulated by women (nycbatchelor). The goal should be to have competent social skills and the leadership to discover and pace select relationships very slowly.
Just as per Roissy’s metaphor, a woman has options between dressing skanky to trigger Pavlov dogs vrs. dressing to be invisible.
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Personally, I don’t think there’s anything too shocking in this post. It’s obviously an April Fools joke but it wouldn’t really lower my opinion of Roissy if he were being honest.
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“I’m tired of Love: I’m still more tired of Rhyme. But Money gives me pleasure all the (fucking) time.”
— Hilaire Belloc
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Amazing post. I don’t think it’s inspired by april fools at all.
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Smoking bans are pushing me away from loving American nightlife.
– MPM
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LULZZZZZ
Roissy is trolling his own blog!!!!
BETA POWER!!!
OMEGA POWER!!!
HERBS of the world unite, love betaness conquers all!!
Succumm and worship the pussy.
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Cannon’s Canon: Good song. I love Vocal Trance too. The only place I know to listen to it is DI.fm, Vocal Trance channel. Where do get your tunes? .. And to keep it topical, ever play it when you have chicks over?
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I disagree with Lurker. Last year’s was too over the top – nobody believed it. This year, he is getting a lot of bites.
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“Of the last 25 out of 30 girls I’ve slept with, I’ve used the following game tactics on all of them in almost the same order and at the same point in time of the pickup.”
The problem I have with these routines is that they are easier to theorize than to practice. Kind of like self-defense. The moves seem simple enough, but in the heat of battle who has the presence of mind to remember them all and execute them to perfection?
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Roissy – Perhaps there’s a way you can reframe your game-related knowledge that will make pick-up fun again?
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For one example, your “telling a girl how I will seduce her” post from a while back.
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April fools? Hard to say because his buddy Roosh made this observation.
http://www.rooshv.com/the-dark-side
As to the comment about random love, yes, that is a fools game. Love is engineered. Look at boot camp with bonding through stress, common enemies and obstacles. When I draw something sweet to my tongue, I know it will taste sweet. It is entirely by my design to grow, pick and eat a sweet berry. Is the berry sweet? Absolutely.
I think women want to believe its random because it gives them the illusion of scarcity. If the man who falls for her does so the day of an eclipse, then such a thing will not be repeated with her younger sister. Relations by novelty makes her one of a kind, which in their mind, lessons the possibility of straying with formulaic consistency.
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To hell with love and just enjoy the ride. Game is what you do, and vaj is what you aim for. No other emotional attachment and heart wrangling required.
Sex is a bodily, physical function not unlike eating, sleeping or taking a shit. Romance is for fools, and you know a fool and his money are soon parted.
Use the vaj. May the vaj be with you.
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This post is right-on.
I hit a similar wall. I’ve done two things.
First, I’m doing “no game” with cute chicks who are in my looks league (I’m a solid 7) or just slightly out of my league. IOW, I do many things that betas do. Some betas still get laid, so my thinking is that I might – or might not – get laid. This layer of unpredictability has made dating exciting.
Two, I only approach women that give me a slight tinge of adrenaline – chicks who are definitely out of my league. (Chicks like the ones noted, above, don’t give me that rush of knowing I could be rejected swiftly and cruelly.) With those women, I run game. Even with game, I haven’t been able to bang a 9. Thus, there’s a challenge for me.
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if cockblock was present, one neg to cb asking if her friend is “always this way”
this has always worked like a charm to me!
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The joke is he’s not kidding.
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Very cool. Reminds me of that chapter in Mark Twain’s “Life on the Mississippi” where he explains how his knowledge of the river takes away its amazing mystique.
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Whether or not roissy actually feels this way, anyone who’s used game to sleep with a lot of women (maybe even just anyone who’s slept with a lot of women) can relate big time to this post.
Though ultimately, very very few would choose to have their memories wiped of game knowledge, to return to innocence, if they could. The life of the jaded, soulless, lonely gamer is still clearly preferable to frustrated, desperate, lonely beta.
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A diamond bracelet!! That’s what you were saving up for, eh?
You should have braided 3 stringys of yarn and tied it around her wrist, WAY more romantic, not to mention easy on the wallet! Best time to give her the wonderful handmade craft is while you’re fishing in the dark and counting the stars!:P This way she could push your “ooooh, I’m sooooo bored tushy” into the water and say “how’s THAT for predictable?”
A manly man braiding is sooo cutesy!!!
😀
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Even before game, the constant exposure to different women made me feel I would never feel romantic love again. My love is so wonderful and no woman will ever deserve it.
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My love is so wonderful and no woman will ever deserve it
The one guarantee of never being disappointed in love, Vincent, is to fall in love with oneself. Looks like you’ve managed it.
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Sorry Vincent, I didn’t mean that to come across as snarky. I think it’s great that you’ve got a good self-image.
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That is the world I have lived in for years, since my late teens. It is not that bad.. I am always 200-300$ away from good sex with a hot chick of my choice, on my schedule.
But I have lost the ability to feel emotionally connected to women and would never be able to trust them.
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I’ve been saying on this forum for months (years?) that in order to maximize quality of life, a balance must be sought between sentimentality and harsh pragmatism.
A balance is possible. It’s a matter of letting yourself slide into pragmatic moments of sappiness. You keep it reigned in, but not too much. Just like any art form, you don’t want to let it get too melodramatic, nor merely humorous, nor stone cold dramatic, but must constantly mix it up. Contrasts. It’s a balancing act, and any dramatist or musician knows that the mood requires admixtures of sentiment.
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And by sentiment, I mean letting yourself go, to a degree. Enjoying the sunset, enjoying being embodied, bathing in the beauty level of immersion.
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It’s completely against any of our better interests to lose the ability to bond. As we all know, that lowers quality of life.
No one here has ever been happier than when in love. It can’t be beat, and yes, it can be sustained. The same way springtime is sustained. In regular rhythms.
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While reading your post, I kept thinking “I wish I had this problem”. Nice April 1st prank. ahah
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“Women crave for being loved, not loving” – Florence Nightengale
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That may be true, Tupac, but women have a close enough facsimile to love. Devotion.
My last girl wouldn’t even let me take my own shoes off. It hurt her feelings if I ever did.
If that’s not love, who cares. Whatever it is, that works for me.
Women can be devoted like puppies.
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a balance must be sought between sentimentality and harsh pragmatism. // A balance is possible.
Xsplat will occasionally drop a great gem like this one. It’s true.
Also, it’s good to focus on the product, not the process. Instead of overthinking the biomechanics of love, focus instead on the real thinhgs you do or build together, Like fun trips you take together. They are “real.” Or the house you renovated together. Or your child together. That’s as real as it gets.
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I found what made the biggest impression on my with my last romance was that whenever we went out, it was an erotic and outrageous display. We were really out there, and I found that at times when I closed my eyes images of those fun moments would flash.
And as for contrasts, as with push and pull as long as you’ve got balance, you can go to extremes. You can let yourself go full out 100% romantic sappy, especially when fucking, sometimes, as long as you also can go full out into violent rape play. You can have a conversation with your lips touching, as long as you can ignore her and tell her to shut up when you are busy. You can go full blast full on romantic, as long as you can go full blast full on dismissive – if that’s what her behaviour has earned. Overall, the trend should be towards a growing intimacy, with a careful finger on the guage of eroticism. If the eroticism is sliding while the comfort level is increasing, do something to make her jealous, and start saying things that make both of you conscious that she could cheat.
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Yeah April 1st and all that, but this post had truth in it regardless. While I enjoy your usual stylistic writing, this sober, straightforward thing is also good.
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There is a meditation technique called tight and loose. In order to find mental balance, you explore the two extremes of trying too hard, and not trying hard enough.
Sentimentality is like that. In order to find balance, it’s helpful to sometimes alternate between extremes. There is no danger of imbalance if you are mindful of what you are doing and careful to time the alternations.
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“if cockblock was present, one neg to cb asking if her friend is “always this way””
Does he mean say this to the neg or the cb?
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I know this is April fools, but there’s a tinge of truth in this.
I wish I was so high status that I could be ignorant of women’s natural impulses and they would love me nonetheless and I could act beta to my hearts content.
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thansus:
i listen to a few weekly shows from time to time: armin’s a state of trance, markus schulz’ global dj broadcast, and ernesto vs bastian’s the next level. etn.fm streams music too, but i’ve been bored with that lately.
re: playing it for girls, i have had some great bang sessions to old tiesto sets back in the day, a little more house-y than vocal trance. in the car though, that’s all your getting out of my stereo (with girls, that is. i don’t make them listen to 90’s rap). i’m proud to have converted a few “pop rock” listeners over the years.
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Whether or not the post is serious, the fact does remain that with all knowledge, there is no Lethe. Once you learn something it can’t be taken away. I’ve found that when I start to get jaded by running game I have to step back and withdraw into doing quiet things by myself, free from all the bullshit that comes from dealing with other people.
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About alternating the moods, you get a feel for it. We all feel the mood in a house. Is it playful? Dark? Tense? Lively? Enervated? Relaxed? Boring?
If you’ve watched or listened to or read a lot of entertainments, you’ll know that there is always a change in mood, and that you can’t sustain any one mood without change. Even a song has a limited duration, and you can’t play many similar songs without having their impact diminish. You even need to mix with silence.
A composer of any entertainment eventually gets a body centered feel for the mood, for what would work next as the next change. Is your women offering you food less? Get a bit sappy. Is she getting listless? Fuck her so that the neighbours consider calling the police, spank her, and dress her in a trashy outfit and go buy groceries. Is she getting too clingy? Be snappy and aloof. The mood in the house will inform what’s next, the same way you handle your play list.
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Really it is though. Women rely on men to babysit their minds. If you are pro-active about setting the mood, she’ll learn to trust and follow your lead. And you can then take the both of you to some very extreme places.
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”
Chemically, the serotonin effects of being in love have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsive disorder; which could explain why some people in love cannot think of anyone else. (# ^ Sandroni P (October 2001). “Aphrodisiacs past and present: a historical review”. Clinical Autonomic Research 11 (5): 303–7. doi:10.1007/BF02332975. PMID 11758796.) ”
Why you wanna be in love?
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V – obsessive compulsion sucks. Sucks hard.
Sustained concentration at a task over a course of years leads to great success.
See?
Too much of a good thing is bad. A good thing is still good.
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Xsplat for the win today
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That’s a high quality problem most men would love to have.
And you were the one who chose to take the red pill and embrace the real. You can’t really complain if it gets a little heavy for you sometimes.
Sure, reality isn’t pretty if you maintain childish expectations but being successful in anything beats being a dipshit sucker every time. Personally I would rather know the truth even if it is unpleasant rather than live in a delusional fantasyland.
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@ cannons canon
try prodigy or danny tenaglia
banging to tiesto is like working out to celine dion
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“…dress her in a trashy outfit and go buy groceries.”
Xsplat, have you actually done this?
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Is Mystery really 6’5″?
Roissy, you have the ability to be a great writer. This post reminded me a story by J.D. Salinger: ‘A Perfect Day for Bananafish’. These fish swim into a hole, but once in the hole, eat so much they cannot escape and subsequently die of banana fever. Perhaps what we know does not necessarily set us free.
Additionally, your writing carries with it a kind of negative epiphany. The modern women you refer to are no doubt ‘liberated’ in the political sense, but within the context of Game, they are most certainly frozen in ‘paralysis’.
Keep ’em coming.
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Why do people think this is an April Fool’s post? People don’t seem to understand–especially women who read this blog–that deep down, Roissy is actually a romantic. He’s mentioned numerous times that the most fulfilling relationships aren’t those that consist of one sweaty night with a club skank. Relationships are rewarding when a girl falls so in love that she devotes all her care and affection to you. Only then can you take your guard down and enjoy her doting, feminine company.
The kicker is that once you completely take your guard down and become complacent, you’ll no longer be attractive. Hence Roissy must run game on his lover, even as he’s doing something kind and selfless for her, lest this kindness be repaid with shit tests.
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If this post is not an April’s fool joke then there is a lot of truth in it.
If this post is an April fools joke then you must realize: A thousand truths are told in jest.
No matter how you look at it, he speaks the truth. One way or another truth will win out. To say it’s a joke and not to be believed is to fall for your own delusions.
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Is there any other way to buy groceries?
Some people get the impression that my writing is extreme. That’s because my life is extreme. People think what I talk of is unbelievably over the top. That’s because I make it that way because I like it that way. Life is an extreme sport.
Some of the things I did last year with my girl:
– Got her a dog collar. This became her favorite piece of jewelry.
– Had blowjobs in a good 30 percent of taxi rides. We took a taxi each time we went out.
– Had full out sex in the taxi
– Fingered her in Mackdonalds, while the security guards were watching.
– Dropped and broke bottles of whiskey in various locations. Went right on drinking.
– Took her to the hospital for some stomach pains while she was miscarrying, with a beer bottle in my hand and a few in a plastic bag.
– Fucked her while a cousin was cooking in our one room studio.
– Fucked her with various family members listening on speakerphone, as she tried to contain her voice. Many times.
– Took her braless and pantiless everywhere. Never allowed out of the house wearing either.
– And on and on and on.
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To avoid any misunderstanding which may arise from XSplat’s preceding comment:-
I want to emphasise that
the fact that my gravatar wears a dog collar
is purely coincidental.
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“Only then can you take your guard down and enjoy her doting, feminine company.”
When my wife of 6 years stepped into the shower to wash my hair this morning, Do you think that counts?
Yes, I can let my guard down because in all else, I act like the traditional man of the house. I am not the place for whining. She has her girlfriends for that. I am the place for a firm hold, real problem solving and sex. My attitude is:
“Do you need something killed for you? Curtains? I don’t know about curtains. I can hang em for you, but what do I get for that?”.
Never violate this rule:
Female affection is always the price of your attention.
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@sdaedalus
You picked an avatar with a collar on it ?
Nope, you sub consciously want to be a slave, and want to be vigorously penetrated by your master.
No way around it. Any denials will sound like rhythmically aspirated squeals as he takes you. Your burning desire for it runs away from your prudish mind like a naughty child oblivious to parental correction.
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Chi-Town
I know you mean well.
However, as I pointed out to Maurice yesterday, it’s important not to read too much into my choice of gravatar.
I’ll be sure to let you know if your suspicions ever prove correct though.
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PS it’s gravatar not avatar.
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one part of this post is an april fools. can you guess which part?
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Do you think naturals eventually start t feel the same way?
Or is this feeling only felt by those who consciously apply game? (or those who were non-naturals, whatever term you want to use)
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@sdaedalus
As I explained, you are not even entirely aware of it. That is why you are being so anal about gravatar or avatar. You are consciously seeking control of a vile urge. Its the cyberspace equivalent to uncomfortably shifting in your seat and crossing your legs. Its OK, I’m a doctor.
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Chateau: “can you guess which part?”
I’d guess the diamond bracelet bit.
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My guess is this Roissy. You can’t afford that.
“I bought a lover a diamond bracelet.”
[editor: nothing to do with affordability, though of course i believe spending thousands on a rock is a foolish thing to do, and a beta thing to do if bought to flatter a woman or appease social convention. no, i wouldn’t buy such a gift because… i don’t need to.]
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lord i wish girls would stop commenting or posting on this blog. it’s possible to “turn off” active game but you better have a strong, fortified swagger built up to take its place. being a man means basically being a shark, and the slower you get the more likely you’ll fall prey to bigger animals.
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Its OK Roissy, I’m a doctor. 🙂
I know you have the money and I always did mean to thank you for the summer sausage gift box. When I got it, I thought how typically phallic of you!
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“Chi-town: I am the place for a firm hold, real problem solving”
Endless relationship books stress the importance of “listening and not offering solutions”.
This has always made me want to vomit, and I felt guilt for feeling this way.
Fuck that noise. Game is a liberation from the oppressive weight of that garbage!
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Diamonds aside, the part that is an April Fool’s joke is where you said “The dark knowledge of the crimson arts has given me what I want”. I think not.
[editor: right. i suppose it hasn’t made me galactic overlord yet.]
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I’m guessing the indirect situational opener part is a joke. You can’t get a girl into bed unless your opener is telling her how much you want to get her into bed.
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I can’t be sure if this is an April fools post or not. It’s by no means implausible for Roissy to rather feel this way. He has more than hinted for some time now that he’s in a loving and perhaps exclusive relationship on his side too with a girl. For the last 8 months or more I’d recon, from when the first hints started coming but of course the relationship probably predated the first hints by at least a few months. So maybe it’s partly for the reasons in this post that he wanted to go that LTR way, in addition to finding someone really good for him or enough into him beyond screwing to be worth it.
It may be a subtle April Fools post, in which he’ll tell us some of this is true but the ennui need not be to anything like this degee and isn’t for him.
In any event I do think it’s a real phenomenon. Roosh expressed something similar a while back, except in his case it was less ennui exactly and more deadening his ability to care deeply, at all, or at all deeply, or for long, for any one girl no matter what, he was afraid. That’s definitely worse, way worse.
There are obvious remedies. One need not be so obsessed with the numbers count once one gets really good at pulling hot girls at will, and spend less time doing it and more time with particular girls or even sometimes not with a girl, knowing you can get one right quick. And focusing instead more on say, career. Or other things. Like friends and not exclusively sarging with good sarging. Doing things like white water kayaking or whatever. (That time of year, made me think of it.) Sure a bit of rust will develop on your game but that will reintroduce some challenge factor and probably be quickly shaken off.
One could, gasp, actually get pretty serious with one girl for a good long while at least, as Roissy may have. Even gasp let her live with you.
Or one could go after say pretty exclusively 9s and 10s, who might also usually have to seem like sexual firecrackers as well, instead of mostly 7s to 9s as soon as likely ones show up in whatever bar etc. That would reintroduce more difficulty into automatic too easy game success.
Actually for these reasons I’m gonna go with this was partially an April’s fools. Yeah the issue is there but so are the remedies. Which Roissy will tell us about tomorrow or soon I think.
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@ A/D: “But I have lost the ability to feel emotionally connected to women and would never be able to trust them.”
That’s called wisdom, boyo … and drop the “but” – why qualify what’s proper?
Emotional connection is overrated. We’re born, we live a while – if we’re smart and successful we pass our genes on as our ancestors passed them down to us; if you’re lucky the skank won’t divorce your sorry ass, just because she can, and take the kids, just because she can (and because women are amoral cunts) – then we die.
THE END
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“Romantic love”, like so many silly ideas, is a Western invention of rather recent vintage. It’s going away, as it should have long ago.
Traditional societies – the ones that resisted total Westernization (ie death by a thousand cuts of commercialism, feminism, pornography, contraception, etc) still exist, and they are massively outbreeding us, so the game’s nearly up anyway.
These societies are usually quite patriarchal; some still practice polygamy (de facto or de jure).
Perhaps that’s related somehow? I’m just spit-ballin’ here …
Back to managng my harem for the evening …
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@GdI
Mexicans and Mormons.
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April Fool’s Day aside, maybe you are just growing up.
[editor: i don’t wanna grow up, i’m a snatch-chasing kid.]
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xsplat–
That’s very true xsplat, when you’ve really got it going good. Which may be stronger than what most people usually mean by love.
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Pupu doesn’t care whether this is an April Fool’s feature.
It is sweet and nice, which is how life should be.
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Pupu didn’t mean diamond bracelet part of the story.
[editor: i suspect pupu would smile if she received a homemade bracelet as a gift. but not too homemade.]
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@Jay, Chi-town
Indeed, almost every bit of relationship advice I ever got was wrong. Dead wrong, garbage, spewed by feminists and beta counselors. It makes me angry.
A friend of mine has been a counselor for many years, but not this marriage counseling bs. He works with troubled teens, drug addicts, hooked musicians, dealers, and all sorts. One story he told went like this: “One time I was sitting in a room talking to a guy for over an hour, and the guy said, ‘Does it bother you that I’ve had a gun out on the table the whole time?’ My friend replied, ‘Does it bother you that I didn’t notice?'” He’d done this stuff so much he was jaded to it.
Anyway, his advice to me about relationships was this: everyone seeks power, but does so from within a structure. When that structure is destroyed (divorce, break-ups, death, etc.) what the person seeks is some authority to re-establish that structure. The best part is, he says, when you are seeking to re-establish that structure for someone, you get to be an asshole. My takeaway from this is that women are floundering in the post-feminist wake and need a structure established. In short, he applies game to all of life.
It’s important to have boundaries, and that is precisely what the beta lacks. He lets the woman walk all over his boundaries, willing to give up ANYTHING on her smallest whim.
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Chi-Town/Dr Freud
Its OK, I’m a doctor
That’s reassuring.
Thanks for the free advice.
As I said, I’ll let you know if your diagnosis proves correct.
Angele
lord i wish girls would stop commenting or posting on this blog
Thanks also for the free advice.
I will try to move quickly, and watch out for big animals, and sharks.
Regarding your wish, Viking ship blogs can get very boring.
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You feeling ok roissy? I thought you were a player, Heck iv’e felt that way since when this tune was big.
but theres always one that got away….
[editor: haha. me, zeets, and another buddy used to do this routine where we would line up and approach chicks doing the SNL ‘what is love’ skit, bobbing our heads while holding beers and doing that funny thing with our hands. direct game baby.]
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Jamila says, “I don’t think that a man who consciously stops dating and running game for awhile becomes some sort of chump. He is just taking a much needed breather to get back in touch with whatever it was he felt he had lost touch with.
He can always go back to being a gamer when he wants to.”
You can’t un-know something once you know it.
I’m happy that I found this blog with its variety of voices, even though they weren’t all constructive. It’s good to learn what others are thinking, and will say when they feel free to.
I lost my mercy in the last bad breakup. Being here made sure I’ll never be plagued with it again.
Even if I never read another word from this scene I would still see the scrolling green text.
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The unbearable lightness of the cad.
I wondered when you types would start “groking” game instead of just being used by it.
Being used? What´s this sexless chump mumbling about?
Well messirs Casanova wannabes, you´re nothing but fulfilling a dark need in women to be used and abused.
For all your anti-feminist protestations, you provide the ultimate feminist service(see above).
The problem with this is that the abyss is fucking back, vigorously.
Probably not this lifetime, but sometime soon it´ll all make sense.
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ok citizen reindeer. so you’re a lame person, and you use lame techniques to get other lame people to have random sex with you– and you wonder why this isn’t filling you with happiness?
maybe your resentment of women is the cause of all this crap and not the effect.
[editor: false premise]
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you crack the code, then undermine it.
is this real hedonism?
even if you lived in flourish, tyson said something along the lines of never knowing beforehand how much it would take out of him, what bedding cost. im guessing he didnt game.
or is it all zero-sum~?
the unpredictability of life makes it worth living, roissy, but to survive you must know the future.
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Either this is an April Fools piece or Roissy is starting to grow a vagina.
In case it is the later, let me just reaffirm and proclaim once again the joys of endless, completely meaningless sex with as many hot women as possible. No emotions, no strings, nothing, just pure, raw, deep, physical sex. I love it and the women love it as well. Let them be sluts. I don’t mind. I love sluts and whores. As a matter of fact, when I am fucking a hot woman I love to hear her tell me all her filthy little secrets about all the guys she fucked. Then I know she is as depraved and sex driven as me. Maybe after that I can love her. Not before. But as far as the pure fuck without feeling, I can never get enough nor do I want to ever get enough. Like Julius Caesar or Genghis Khan, I want to conquer as many women as possible. If I had the armies that they had, I would want to add whole nations and populations to that too, just as they did. The two go hand in hand: conquering women and nations.
[editor: conquering is cool. so is falling in love.]
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hey dummies. happy april fools day.
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[editor: i suspect pupu would smile if she received a homemade bracelet as a gift. but not too homemade.]
Pupu would appreciate a homemade one just as much, if not more, provided it has not taken more than a minute to make (unless it is edible!) You see, the image of a guy struggling with threads, beads, flowers (natural or fake) for more than a minute is kinda disturbing 🙂
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happy april lzozlllzlzlzlzll !!!
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“As a matter of fact, when I am fucking a hot woman I love to hear her tell me all her filthy little secrets about all the guys she fucked. Then I know she is as depraved and sex driven as me. Maybe after that I can love her.”
Boy, I doubt that
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I’m not surprised by this Faustian tale. The problem with having the heart of an evolutionary psychologist is that it isn’t much of a heart at all. Your deadly accurate mechanised view of human social relations contains in itself the seeds of its own doom. It seems to lack heart. I cannot see how someone as narrowly focussed and can avoid being poisoned by his own mathematically certain world-view. That he writes with great verve and wit does not change that fact.
How could this not push you away from love, magic, mystery etc. ?
I’ve got a lot out of your blogs and expect to continue doing so. You’ve got game and a great talent for teasing out subtleties in social dynamics. I can’t I’m a fan of your ideological stance. There are times when this place seems like a gilded cage for you and that you are in danger of being fossilised by it. But maybe your voice comes from a deeper place – in any case it is in danger of becoming stilted.
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First off, great writing, and exceedingly funny. You really could be one hell of a novelist a la Tom Wolfe. Ive gotten more bellylaughs from this blog than any other blog.
[editor: i aim to sneeze! (springtime)]
Second, a question……………a fairly serious one:
Do you think that abortion-rights-zealotry is really just women’s desire to be able to kill the sperm of beta males subconciously? Your post yesterday got me thinking a little on the subject………………….and Im coming to a dark conclusion about all those “my body, my choice” signs. Its really a beta-sperm slaughter isn’t it?
[i think you have hit upon a subconscious female motivation for abortion, yes. what gives women nightmares? loss of reproductive prerogative. insemination by an unworthy male. this is a major difference between the sexes. it’s no big loss (in the state of nature) if a man impregnates an ugly chick. he still has the freedom to go out and impregnate a hot chick. but a women impregnated by a beta is stuck for nine months with his spawn, with no hope during that time of conception with an alpha male. yes, the desire to avoid contamination by a lesser mate is much stronger in women than men.]
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a modern-day love story, as told by my pal
“so i go out last friday with a bunch of people, this black dude picks up one of my old friends, is kickin it to her in the bar, he tries to convince us all he played for the dolphins. not the case, he was an accountant. to make a long story short, her and her friend wake up naked in his bed, cry rape, have him locked up.
i don’t know what to think, she’s been single for a long time and this never happened. she’s waiting for the toxicology reports to see if she was drugged” (you know, just in case)
the end.
[editor: it’s like valentine’s day, MLK day, and international women’s day all wrapped up in one!]
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Every woman has whoredom in her heart.
But not every woman acts on it. Those are the ones with integrity. They’re almost as rare as unicorns though.
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April Fool or not, this post speaks the truth. Since learning game I haven’t felt the same top-of-the-world head-over-heels feeling for a girl that I used to get in my beta pedestaling days. The romantic feelings were much more intense and enjoyable then.
Of course, I didn’t get laid much then either. And I didn’t know when a girl was taking me for a ride.
Life with open eyes is better.
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Sleeping around is not good for society.
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The entire year might as well be April fool’s with you
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Where are all these alphas? How come they have never shown any interest in me?
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April fool – Lolita.
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@Laura
“Where are all these alphas? How come they have never shown any interest in me?”
Maybe you’re unappealing to them? Too old, too fat, too ugly, too bitchy, too golddigger/high maintenance, bastard kids squirted out if you’re a single mom.
@Jay
“Every woman has whoredom in her heart.
But not every woman acts on it.”
Then that’s the whole point of game: to draw out the inner whore found in every woman. MAKE her act on it. It is immensely fun and satisfying to corrupt nubile, well-raised, idealistic virgins (that is, if you can still find one).
@Cannon’s Canon
Poor black man.
To quote someone from a forum which I frequent: “I don’t believe any accusations of rape.” There have been many men whose lives have been ruined by false rape accusations from bitches when either the sex was purely consensual, or the guy never met/known that bitch in the first place.
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what a post! great writing, roissy.
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“[Y]ou get so proficient that the patterns become all that you see.”
Yes, human beings reduced to pieces on a chessboard.
I was born to it, you know. I think that’s why it’s so hard to stop. I’ve been playing power games with my grandfather since I was 3 years old–when he decided I was “gifted,” and I decided I had expensive tastes. The currency we play for is money and control, but many of the same underlying principles apply to dating game as well–hence my ruthlessness with men. He likes to say that “beneath my skin I am his mirror image.” I grant the point with the greatest reluctance.
My whole life I’ve had but one goal: never, ever lose (what does Roissy call it?) hand. Never lose hand. But I fell in love once, and for a few wonderful, restful years, I gave it all up. The white flag instead of the black. There was no need for games, because to be in love was all I wanted. And I don’t know if it was my fault or his, but my love couldn’t stand the test of years, and his twisted into something like desperation. In the end, he tried to cage me. Better had he killed me, because I know perfectly well why the Caged Bird sings, and I’ll never be that again.
Tomorrow I will fly to Winnetka (North Shore of Chicago) to see my grandfather and ask him, again, to stop punishing me with poverty for the Wedding the Wasn’t; and he will, again, insist I meet his absurd list of demands before he does so. God, I’m so sick of it.
I begin to think all this incessant game playing has created an impenetrable shell around my heart, and I just wish someone would take a sledgehammer and smash it open, because it’s a cage of a sort as well. I think I wish for one of my own kind to love. My great fear is that no such creature truly exists.
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Great post, I would have thought this was somehow morally wrong but after reading the pua material and getting a better understanding of how women “work”, I’m now doing this same thing. It works. I’ve had solid number closes. I’m calibrating to figure out what works better and what doesn’t but I’m now consciously aware of “alpha” behaviour and “beta-ness”. So are women. With women I’m friends with I often ask what they’re looking for. They love the “game” without knowing anything about it…that means they love being teased, push-pull, kino, confidence but also some type of vulnerability.
From this column, I’ve learned that negs and over-qualifying sometimes can have the reverse effect and have calibrated.
The point is…nice guys finish last and you can be an asshole and be memorable or a beta and be like the rest.
Women aren’t particularly “nice” unless they are your genuine “friends”…otherwise, they’re gaming too.
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For some reason, when reading this post and comments I keep being reminded of Stendhal’s The Red and the Black. What were those words written in English at the end? Julian might know as his name is the same as that of the hero in that novel.
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Wasn’t it Stendhal who said, in his great work “On Love”, that
“Half of life – its most wonderful half – is hidden from he who has not loved passionately”
[a translation can be previewed in part on google books]
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Black Flag
Maybe your angst would be relieved if you took steps to end your own poverty instead of waiting for Grand Dad to do it for you.
Besides, inheriting lots of money is like winning a big lottery jackpot. The only folks who are not ruined by it are the ones who do not need it. Because they have already gotten rich on their own and understand how the world works.
Trust me on this.
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The melancholy wafting from this post is hard to miss. April Fools day or not, there is a lot of sober truth being told.
If I were put under torture and compelled to say what was really bothering me about male female relationships I would finally cough and spit out this: “Females in general don’t convince me that they own more than a rudimentary form of self-awareness.”
And that, my friends, feels a lot like loneliness. Despite the ball-draining orgasms.
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I’ve been reading his out of curiousity for a while, and have thought the words of this post every time I read a fresh piece of your advice. Many game techniques are a turn on, yes, and I’m sure they usually work, but in the long term you’re not going to gain much more than a lay or a brief relationship based on an unsustainable persona. Scoff if you like, but I turned down a perfect “alpha” to have my utterly lovely “beta” boyfriend. I wasn’t familiar with all this theory back then, but instinct told me his alpha allure wasn’t worth it and I was right.
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april fools, whatever. at face value, too much emphasis on the method of pick up. yeah, game is like women wearing makeup and dressing hot. no big deal to women because they were taught that young, whereas men r learning game old. the fact women r more or less turned on by about the same thing is not to say they r not unique. it is disingenuous or april foolsish to suggest hot women r generic despite their being attracted to generic approaches. if this were true, we would more easily settle for monogamy, and we dont.
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The point of no return?
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I hear you.
While the disappointment that comes along with realization eventually wears off, the loneliness of being unable to commune on all levels requires a different antidote.
For me I like to mix a pragmatic approach of not expecting to get certain needs met from the girl, along with getting those needs met elsewhere. Conversation gets done on the blog, or if I’ve been lucky enough to find and cultivate them, with male meat-space friends. I use the girl as best she can be used, and try not to demand more of her that is reasonable. I put her to work fulfilling the needs she can fulfill, in compensation for the ones she can’t.
And sometimes it gets down to this. If the woman is unfulfilling, it’s not her fault for sucking so bad. Its mine for not moving on. And then it’s time to pack the bags and go to the airport, and start a next life phase.
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Yes, people are incredibly predictable. How disheartening blah blah blah. It’s true but at the same time you can’t hope for more when you are constantly manipulating them. The predictability is the point of the game.
The game is great for getting you what you want, if what you want is to constantly be in control but then you can’t hope for spontaneity. You aren’t allowing for it.
The game allows you to create a very straight-forward scenario. Once you set up a scene, people usually play their role accordingly. We all instinctively pick up on the roles we are given. The role given and scenes set don’t allow for much flexibility. A girl buys it or she doesn’t. Neither is a surprise and what alternative could there be when you’ve controlled the situation so well?
If you are bored with the limits you have to change the rules of the game and allow for more open/undefined interaction. Meaning you can’t craft every important moment and you can’t constantly manipulate your relationship. If you want to be surprised that is. Though of course the problem with changing is that you would lose your comforting sense of control as well as your feeling of success. Better stick with the game it leaves you feeling more like a man.
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Have an arranged match. Yes, why not. Have an arranged match, get married and have children.
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@ahappinessexperiment,
If you don’t settle for monogamy, what do you settle for?
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@ Jessica
“Scoff if you like, but I turned down a perfect “alpha” to have my utterly lovely “beta” boyfriend.”
You are so boring that you are the equivalent of the worst person in the world to me. You are invisible. You are like 70+% of men, the betas. In Whiskey terms, I “HATE HATE HATE” you. Or, as the allegorical Jew Brain would say in the movie ‘Dune’, “I see plans within plans… you are… transparent to me.”
You, and the rest of your ilk of course, have ruined life for so many people. I had the capability to become one of the greatest betas of all, succeeding my father’s legacy. I might have created value rather than simply transfer it onto myself. Fortunately for me, I know better than to do practice such martyrdom.
This message will be incredibly arbitrary to you. I am inferring so much simply from your insistence that you prefer “betas”. Simply, you cannot attract alphas.
You might command a bang or few along an alpha’s path of least resistance. You will not stand for this, and your indignation is commendable and noble. However, you cannot withstand a basic, brutal self-examination. You are not deserving of alpha commitment. It’s not shameful: there are few who can be upheld to the scrutiny.
Would you bang Brad Pitt in a one-night stand? Perhaps you are virtuous enough to deny him. But would you deny his courtship and subsequent marriage proposal, even sensing that he could not possibly withstand even five (four… three, etc) years of fidelity with the millions… and MILLIONS of Pitt fans out there!?! You would not pass up the opportunity to “indulge” in a beta who has spent more time, money, and proportion of his money on you. No chance.
I’ve been afforded the window to speak candidly with some girls about game. The ones who say they “prefer” betas are unequivocally 6’s or below on their best night out, and perhaps that is just me being kind to my friends. Don’t get me wrong; I hooked up with a few of them over the years, way back when, obviously because they valued my “beta” traits, like for instance having hooked up with their hotter friends in the social network.
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full disclosure: i have “twirled” way too many girls this year, more than deserved a twirl at least.
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The price of knowledge is knowing it…
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@jacko
i used the universal we. i myself would be happy with monogamy, if the relationship were good. but the know betters here would probably call me an omega, so my thoughts dont mean much.
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“The price of knowledge is knowing it…”
In this case the knowledge brings with it emotional associations, and you get conditioned responses. You become Pavlov, ringing the bell to make his dogs salivate, and at the same time finding yourself in an experimental mood each time you ring the bell.
The price of the knowledge is whatever association you’ve created for yourself that goes with it.
That association can be changed. It starts with a philosophical change. Then you create an emotional association and deliberately tie it in. Then you practice that. You perform NLP on yourself.
It looks like this: Decide that although the bond is manufactured through mechanical means, it’s still a bond, and one you chose to appreciate. Even a painted sunset can have the power to move, and why not be moved? Decide to enjoy the temporary, and find meaning in it. Even a fling can be true romance. Then notice the moments of emotional bonding. Note them. Give yourself over to them. Associate your game with this feeling of bonding. Notice how it’s a good thing. Then repeat.
Then you’ve set up new associations. Instead of game leading you to see the world as dreary and mechanical, without mystery, you feel it as a gift that you know how to create these moments of shared delusion. These moments of appreciation. Before we die.
Bonding is nothing more than a decision to be bonded. It doesn’t have to be more. It’s enough. You are family because you decided to be.
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Roissy – The price of progress is always possessing the knowledge of a better world, and not living in it…yet.
Your level of mastery doesn’t have to rob you of that ability to seduce any woman that comes your way. If you look under the skills and tactics you have developed, under the logic, and under the primary reason for doing so – there’s a gift, it’s not an April fools joke either.
Because your mastery comes as a response to a threat, it is limited by the available of those threats to defend yourself against.
That seems bizarre – but really. Any kind of freezing motion (apathy, sympathy, any “pathy”) is reacting to a threat real or imagined.
When you are ready to look beyond the rules you have created for yourself and dig into what’s under all of these interactions, you will see path you have to take to reach true mastery in your art.
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“but the know betters here would probably call me an omega, so my thoughts dont mean much.”
What kind of attitude is that?!
Your attitude is omega. Monogamy need not be.
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Jessica,
I’m glad you found an amazing beta guy! If only the rest of the female population could be like you and not follow what excites them…You apparently now understand human nature so well that you realize that us alphas just live our own lives and don’t really care for you bitches or your feelings. If every other woman followed your lead they could finally be as completely happy as yourself with the beta. Alpha traits are not all they are cracked up to be, and I’m sure being able to actually talk about your feelings, or get in a real debate with the beta is the greatest feeling in the world.
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Attitude is not an accident. It is a choice that takes practice. A positive attitude need not be polyanic. It’s a choice to take the best portion of life and amplify that.
Attitude is the number one most important component of game. People will want to partake of your attitude, if your attitude is appealing. If you enjoy your own attitude. Attitude is a body odor.
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@Cannon’s Canon
Am I boring for recognising my own value, and wanting it to be equally recognised by my partner? I knew exactly what I wanted and now I have it. I’m not even sure that what you’ve said makes sense. You hate me, despite recognising my choice as “commendable and noble”? Ever thought that my route may be genuinely more appealing to me than the demoralising one of giving in to every alpha who has an interest in me? Thinking of myself as the “poon” that alphas are used to makes me shudder and I don’t want a bar of it.
The way I am makes me happy. So much happier than I would be with a rich but (you assume) unfaithful Brad Pitt (who, no, I would not sleep with, nor marry. Not a chance.) Writing this at all is most likely futile if you’re just going to chalk it up to my being unattractive – think what you will, but please remember that despite what these sorts of blogs might have you believe, my having an extra X chromosome makes me no less an intelligent, rational, interesting human being than yourself. And making an intelligent, rational choice doesn’t make me physically unattractive, even if your friends are.
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My little sister is a genius. She went to Cal Tech and married the tallest boy in her graduating class.
She is quick-witted, “virginal”, and close-minded: a non-drinker, fair complexion, non-fashioned.
My brother-in-law was self-selected. He had a lower GPA than my sis and did not graduate with honors. While a passive lib, he occasionally admits some Randian talking points, such as the March 4th UC walkouts in front of research labs and onto state highways.
I admire their ability. Though I am a lesser mind, as evidenced by test scores anyway, I envy the blinders that their high IQ sewed onto them. My sister could never yearn for the jock qb or the big black buck. It is out of her realm of consideration. My sister’s husband could never aspire to bang the cheer-leading captain of the public high school neighboring his magnet school. It’s outside his realm of possibility.
They will blossom into equal-earning professors, paid mostly by the government to teach to increasing proportions of minorities. They each give “talks” or “presentations” once a year to appeal to their fund-governors. Approval seems to be rather fickle; last week, my sister baked almond cookies for her husband’s interview board. Their equality will grow into a feminist-style political appeal, as my sister’s exception will offset my BIL’s mediocrity amongst the nerds. Meanwhile, back to the camp: the selective handful of breed-worthy tweens are courted by absolutely no one.
Why would anyone ever choose to be a Smart Man? I am toying with the idea of getting a bunch of tattoos, just to advertise poor future time-orientation that offsets my shitty digit-ratio. Dalrymple didn’t expect THAT shit now, did he?? faggot-ass….
Anyway, I’m thinking about trying to go into politics. Love/hate???
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At the rehearsal dinner, I was asked to speak extemporaneously. I mentioned that I approved of a solid-state physicist brother-in-law because I would not have to worry about him chasing any cheerleaders, so I could relax my vigilance.
He laughed: my sister punched me later, as hard as she could, knowing it wouldn’t hurt.
She didn’t comprehend my respect for this. It is true.
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Jay said: “Every woman has whoredom in her heart.”
Yup, like da movie said: “Each of you, fifteen dollar– me love you long time!”
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“If I were put under torture and compelled to say what was really bothering me about male female relationships I would finally cough and spit out this: “Females in general don’t convince me that they own more than a rudimentary form of self-awareness.”
IMO, you’ve really hit on something here. Based on my experience one of the biggest differences between men and women is the degree of introspection that takes place. And it isn’t a function of intelligence. I know some intelligent women who still seem to lack the ability to reflect on self. Maybe the degree of emotions and feelings interferes with the ability to dispassionately analyze one’s own thoughts and motivations?
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I forget which commenter here takes the view that the reason women are incapable of introspection is that in order to cuckold or to pursue dual mating strategy, they have to believe their own lies. Myself I think that in order to be a master manipulator, it helps if you believe your own projections and can’t face realities about your own makeup. Of course a person could be a master manipulator while being truthful and introspective, but that’s a much higher level cognitive ability. It’s much simpler and easier to simply believe your own lies, at all costs. And/or to not give a shit about truth, and just believe your own emotions, at all costs.
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This is why women are always trying to ferret out what you REALLY feel. Because they never ever ever tell you what they really feel. They rarely know. It’s all subterfuge, towards the ends of manipulation.
Women can’t believe that a person could be habitually blunt and to the point. Straightforward.
Because every word a woman says is calculated for effect. She is built and born and bred to manipulate – therefore she is opaque. Her intentions must never be known. She is mysterious. No man could ever possibly understand.
The jokes on them. Women are simple.
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I know I can bring things past the point of civility with some of the girls who post here. It’s because I’ve lost my patience with the female demands to respect their mysterious unknowable femininity (you couldn’t possibly know what a woman feels – you are not female) AND treat them like dainty little easily bruised butterflies AND socially dominate and tell you what is appropriate behavior. Don’t hurt her precious little feelings! Lighten up! You couldn’t understand!
What bullies! What underhanded manipulating bitches! It’s like a teenage goth saying you could never understand his angst, and by the way don’t hit him because he’s wearing glasses, and then proceeding to try to tell you that he doesn’t like your attitude. Fuck you!
Chivalry is out the door for me. I give respect to those who earn it. Not to people just because they have feelings. Just because they are unknowable. Manipulative cunts.
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I know I can bring things past the point of civility with some of the girls who post here. It’s because I’ve lost my patience with the female demands to respect their mysterious unknowable femininity (you couldn’t possibly know what a woman feels – you are not female) AND treat them like dainty little easily bruised butterflies AND socially dominate and tell you what is appropriate behavior. Don’t hurt her precious little feelings! Lighten up! You couldn’t understand!
What bullies! What underhanded manipulating bitches! It’s like a teenage goth saying you could never understand his angst, and by the way don’t hit him because he’s wearing glasses, and then proceeding to try to tell you that he doesn’t like your attitude. Fuck you!
Chivalry is out the door for me. I give respect to those who earn it. Not to people just because they have feelings. Just because they are unknowable.
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My last rant reminded me of the most obnoxious woman thread. What makes that feminist obnoxious is that she demands that men play by her rules. Rather than acknowledge that she desires a masculine force, rather than respecting this force as something other, she demands to tame masculinity by feminizing it. She wants the men to play nice. Demands it. Teaches and preaches it.
And then with a mere comma goes on to explain that any man who did what she wants could not possibly be worthy of her.
Fucking obnoxious bully – demands that men be feminized. Play nice my kissable white ass.
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“Never in my life having enjoyed the true happiness of love I shall erect a memorial to this loveliest of all dreams in which, from the first to the last, love shall, for once, find utter repletion. I have devised in my mind a Tristan und Isolde, the simplest, yet most full-blooded musical conception imaginable, and with the ‘black flag’ that waves at the end I shall cover myself over – to die.”
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A stylistic exercise – what if Roissy were a 90s gangsta rapper?
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Now wassup with these feminist bitches
They say the darndest things they always keep me in stitches
One time this bitch had me instructed
That gender’s socially constructed
I grabbed her by her pasty neck, said
“ho, how you gonna deconstruct that?”
Silly trick, it’s called testosterone”
And to all my homiez, keep your pimp hand strong!
Chorus: Strong, strong, keep your pimp hand strong (x2)
Now wassup wit these feminist bitches
They get shitfaced then they suck like leeches
This one said “I just turned 33,
“How come I can’t find a boy to marry me?”
You’ve had 18 years on the cock carousel,
Now you’re a hippo, not a gazelle
Silly slut, you need a chaperone
And to all my homiez, keep your pimp hand strong!
[Repeat chorus]
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@Sid – a Wagner quote! Bravo. And he was right – he did exactly that. The most amazing exposition of love, sexual desire, loss, and transcendence ever conceived. Ever. Inaccessible to those who are not real musicians, sadly. If I ever did a guest post here (and Roissy asked me about it once), it would probably be a set of musicological analyses of how game and love appear in opera and music through the ages. something like that, because I know it well. The problem is, noone would care. which is why i never bothered.
@xsplat – on a tear today! but you’re right, game and an understanding of women threatens them, because it lessens their power over us and society. picking up on the “civility police” comment on the other thread, though, the question becomes what to do about it. It’s possible to disagree with women, and even call them on their shit, without being rude or cruel. Preferable because the cool frame is more alpha and appealing to them. Right? anouk was right about that much: spazzy attacks just make the spazzy attacker look bad. Also, the bit about women not being introspective because it would make them worse manipulators – very interesting and probably true, at some level.
on the theme of the post: it’s not an April fool at all, except the diamond bracelet bit. (What happened to Skittles Man?) It’s an accurate musing on the effects of game on its practitioners. There’s a passage at the end of “The Game” in which Style comes to a similar realization. You might even say such a moment is a character test for a PUA in full prime: Can you become a master seducer and keep your soul, your respect for humanity, your ability to love? I’d argue that’s the mark of a true Alpha, as opposed to his bad-boy cad opposite number, who will always fail that test.
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My theory: this is a reverse April Fools. Ie if you call it out as a joke, then the joke is on you. Very clever.
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Churchill, on the Germans
What kind of a sex do the feminists think we are?
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I suspect that the part that was the April Fool’s joke is that it worked on only 25 out of the 30, rather than all 30.
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xsplat said: “She wants the men to play nice. Demands it. Teaches and preaches it. … And then with a mere comma goes on to explain that any man who did what she wants could not possibly be worthy of her. … Fucking obnoxious bully – demands that men be feminized. Play nice my kissable white ass.”
Absolutely goddamn f*ckin’-A right! Talk about a sh*t test. She really wants some guy to go, “On your knees, bitch, and spread ’em!”
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Maurice
Nope.
Social cred is like money. You can spend a great deal of it insulting someone. Even insulting a crowd. If you are a spendthrift you have nothing left to spend – your insults hold no power.
Its possible to lose your cool without overspending your alpha cred.
Think in terms of monkeys. Does the alpha “spaz out” somtimes? You betcha he does. He bites females sometimes. Draws blood. If he does that too often he risks an insurrection. Too little and no one would fear him. You WANT the women to fear you. Not just respect you. FEAR you.
Sometimes an alpha will display unreasonable and needless violence. Just to keep people afraid. To make them watch their tongue, and think before speaking.
Social cred it there to be spent – you can’t hoard it or it is innefective.
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This is actually why I was laughing so hard at Anouks attempt to bring her attackers down. In order to effectively diminish someone socially, you have to be in a position of power over them. You can do that with intellectual arguments, which stand on their own merits. If you want to do it with displays of higher value, that has to be already established. Thus the hot temptress will snub an unsuitable suitor, because she is obviously hotter than he is. If she is not, her attempt to snub is inneffective, and therefore she makes herself look silly. Also, if the guy is not under the sway of what she is offering, she can’t use her sexuality as a snub. Because he won’t be affected.
There are social rules for effective snubbing – if the snub is based purely on assumed value. You have to have established the value before you can lower someone else.
Otherwise it’s just funny. Like making fun of an internet guys dick size. It just comes off as unsubstantiated and meaningless innefective, which makes the snub backfire. Only the cheerleeders with established social clout get to be snobby bitches – the rest have insult from within their station – which means making substantiated snubs – which means arguments that aren’t about perceived sexual value.
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SRSLY sublime commenting last night. Xsplat was like a lucid through his opiate delirium Mister Kurtz. Cannon’s story of his sister and brother in law beats most published character-study fiction of the past 30 years. Drunk comments rock.
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Game is a necessary part of life for some. The other alternative is to pursue more humble & religious women (they do exist). In exchange for bountiful pussy you get devotion. For some the trade-off is worth it, for others, it is not.
A fair amount of women will cuckold you for alpha sperm, but not all.
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Oh, Rum. I could just cover you with kisses for your innocence. It’s nothing to do with inheritance or gifts or even allowance. My grandfather’s Clausewitz when it comes to managing me.
He plays the long game, you see. He sets his traps years and even decades in advance. Far from simply withholding funds (how reactive and amateurish), he’s arranged it so I’m legally obligated to pay *him* money every month. A lot of money. I always knew he could pull that trigger, I just never thought he would. And right now all the cards I’m holding are ones I’ll never, ever play.
If I didn’t love him so much I’d kill him.
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Xsplat, thing is, online nobody fears you.
Civility aside, there is such a thing as having a credible argument. If you have one, then “spazzing out” is unnecessary.
When I’m arguing with someone, I don’t give two shits if they’re male, female, human, or a cow with impressive hoof dexterity. It’s my argument vs. theirs, not me vs. them.
This is why most of the insults I get here roll off me unless they’re relevant. It’s easy to parse what is and isn’t, and what deserves an answer and doesn’t because I’m not in this to put anyone in their place. Nature does that just fine.
I’m just trying to learn something from the perspective of others, and maybe teach something about or through mine. That’s the best way to roll on the internet.
…and on or offline, nobody likes a know it all.
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Can-can,
Your response to Jessica was dickheaded, and your generalizations re smart people are pathetic (though you partially redeemed yourself with the story about your sister’s wedding rehearsal).
Jessica is a smart cookie to avoid PUAs and fall in love with a (in Roissy’s terminology) “greater beta”. Wasn’t the whole point of the Game movement that not enough women appreciated beta providers? You’re turning that valid point into a general misogyny and your attitude towards the term “beta” is confused. Being “beta” is bad if it means you are clueless about women and foolishly allow them to dominate you. If it refers to being into monogamous commitment, it’s fine. There are plenty of women who avoid the carousel and choose wisely, and your resentment of this is poisonous.
Of course Jessica’s boyfriend had better not let her turn him into a doormat, but you have no reason to suppose either he or she is the kind of person to do that.
You are correct that smart girls are immune to QBs and thugs, but there are plenty of other alpha types to which they are susceptible. I saw this all the time at MIT, although I fully comprehended the dynamics only years later. My wife (1 year younger) and I married the day before I graduated and it’s worked out fine, and her choosing me had nothing to do with either any alpha traits on my part (I developed them later as I matured) or any unattractiveness on hers (she’s an 8 on the ordinary scale which translated to a 9 there). She was just smart and observant enough to value good character, and free of selfish bitchy attitudes about what she ought to deserve.
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The problem is, noone would care. which is why i never bothered
Go for it with that post Maurice, if Roissy is still agreeable, it would be really interesting to read. I don’t know much about music, but it’s always good to look at things from a different perspective.
Although I’ve never actually managed to watch a Wagner opera from start to finish, he did have a good point when he said that imagination creates reality.
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Ya, Nicole, we are in agreement. You’ve got a very manly attitude, that arguements stand on their own merit, and are the meat of online discussion.
We all know that. And yet we all attempt to display value in the way that generates the least amount of envy. An unwinnable game, by it’s nature, but one that is the root of all social discourse.
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Online, everything is e-real. People get buthurt online just like they do in meatspace. No one likes to be buthurt, and there are social risks even in e-space.
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Because even if one of your aims online is to persuade others, you have to maintain social cred in order to be persuasive. So yes, people fear each other a bit – it’s a social situation after all. You are effective, or innefective. It isn’t just hanging out sunbathing. The e-dance is a perfect study of real life dance – very similar rewards, risks, benefits, posturing, displays of value, lowering the value of others to gain value, associating with a higher value person to gain value, and on and on. It’s inevitable that human discourse in all venues follows these basic primate rules.
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Love is the only tangent altar at which to pray at.
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I don’t see why it is beta to get married. I would think after a certain age it would just get boring going to bars trying to pick up women. It doesn’t seem like it is very easy for most men and I would think many of the women you wouldn’t even be that crazy about. I think if early in a relationship a man establishes the fact that he is not going to be pushed around being married could be a good thing. If you have a good wife, meaning one that does the things she is supposed to do, that almost seems more alpha to me. Expecting someone to be civil while you’re treating her to dinner is not really the same thing as having a woman cook your meals, clean your house, do your laundry and raise your children for many years.
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Love is the only tangent altar at which to pray at
Kinda like pot-addled Beatles singing “all you need is love”?
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[…] Roosh’s and Roissy’s recent post finally broke the camel’s back. Maybe Roissy’s post was an April’s […]
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Hey dude,
Love your writing.
Couple of ‘curious’ things:
You scored 25 out of 30 approaches???? That is SICK.
I’ve taken 2 bootcamps from 2 different dating companies.
Here are the stats. 95% of the guys don’t get anywhere.
A ‘guru’ named Sinn, was honest enough to state this statistic.
But, in my opinion, he lied about the ‘why’. The ‘why’ gurus give is ‘men are too lazy or don’t approach enough’…this is only partly true.
In fact, guys I know who are disqualified; i.e. short, bald, old, fat, ugly….don’t even get the audition opportunity. In order for you to score that much, you’re getting audition opportunity…which to me, after what I’ve seen first hand, is you must be damn good looking…or, have something special going on, or you’re sleeping with REALLY easy chicks, or plain Janes.
There is currently a backlash against Dating Companies because the truth is coming out that the easy algorithm you posted above ( basically MM) DOES NOT work for most guys….like 90%, and men are pissed about the $3000 they wasted for an algorithm which will work wonders for a good looking young dude, but not for a guy who’s either fat, ugly, old, poor, you name it.
To give an answer to your post.
You don’t look to a woman for ‘love’ silly. Their poo stinks too. You’re looking for a divine experience, to escape the mundane…yes, this I understand.
You can do it through the arts….which are a form of making the unknown, known…this is ‘discovery’…which really brings happiness. The divine, which some people call god, is really the unconscious, that massive psychedelic jungle. The unconscious communicates via symbols, learn an art of symbol making: i.e. painting, music….whatever…look for the mysterious, and then do the very hard work of capturing it. This will bring a lot of contentment. The woman in your life is a partner, to keep you company in your magic-making. That’s all. Don’t look to another human being for divine experience, it’s in your unconscious.
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“xsplat: Sometimes an alpha will display unreasonable and needless violence. Just to keep people afraid”
I’m trying to remember where I read something like that before. I think it was called the “mad dog” approach, and typically it was used by leaders such as Henry 13, Hitler, and various harem owners and lords. It involved them randomly going apeshit at people – never with any consistency. The point is that your lowly subjects should never figure out if you have a particular threshold for keeping your cool, because if they figure that out, they may try to skirt around it, and safely know what they can get away with.
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“Though ultimately, very very few would choose to have their memories wiped of game knowledge, to return to innocence, if they could. The life of the jaded, soulless, lonely gamer is still clearly preferable to frustrated, desperate, lonely beta.”
Seconded (thirded?). Now that I understand women, many of them are not attractive to me because I know what kind of a mind-fu** I’d be in for if I got inside of them.
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Ya, you got it.
It’s called acting like a woman in order to tame a woman.
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Stoned or straight, love is a need therefore a fundamental link, regardless of belief system. It then becomes about the degrees of what each person needs/gives and how it fits next to your own.
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I know that this post was an April Fool’s joke. But deep down you and I both know that this is probably the most truthful thing you’ve ever written on this blog.
Also, despite what others have said here, you’re not a terribly gifted writer.
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“Also, despite what others have said here, you’re not a terribly gifted writer.”
Most people are lousy writers so maybe in comparison Roissy seems really good.
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DieFrohlicheWissenschaft: “despite what others have said here, you’re not a terribly gifted writer.”
Psychologists have shown that incompetent, low-skilled people tend to be unable to recognise excellence in others.
Roissy may be a douchebag, but he’s an outstanding writer.
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[Pupu would appreciate a homemade one just as much, if not more, provided it has not taken more than a minute to make (unless it is edible!) ]
Anyone else tempted to make a comment about offering a necklace that fits the bill?
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“Psychologists have shown that incompetent, low-skilled people tend to be unable to recognise excellence in others.”
I’m neither incompetent nor low-skilled. I just think that Roissy writes like a know-it-all undergraduate rather than a true master of style. I suspect that the commentariat on here are so impressed because their reading rarely extends much further than the Harry Potter series.
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@anouk – OK, that one was a little loopy and random.
@xsplat – I think both you and Nicole have a point. The point about the alpha chimp being needlessly violent to maintain his status is sort of reated to the id-fueled cyberbullying you see all over the Internet. People trying to be the alpha chimp when they’re really not. On the internet, to paraphrase the saying, noone knows you’re a beta.
That’s the difference: no social cues, body language, attractiveness pecking order, etc. Just text on a white screen, whch levels all that out. (Just look at what happens to people here who try to assert a r-w hierarchy by trotting out their resumes: they get mercilessly mocked.) So Nicole is right, and kind of backs up my point: spazzy attacks don’t have the same effect as biting chimps because it’s all just argument, words on a page. and cred on the board comes from the quality of your arguments, not the vehemence of any attacks.
@sdaedalus – well, you might be interested, but noone else would. classical music is such an obscure subject these days, enjoyed and understood by such a tiny minority, that i suspect most readers would scratch their heads and skip over any posts on the topic. they’d be damn good posts, though.
i tried to post a comment on your blog this morning and it rejected the text. you must have programmed it to keep me out after the sex-chair incident earlier this week.
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“Psychologists have shown that incompetent, low-skilled people tend to be unable to recognise excellence in others.”
Apes wipe their asses with Shakespeare. Snot tastes good to buzz cut, red headed step children.
I don’t know if Roissy it a “great” writer or not. What I do know is there is a style to it, I enjoy reading it, and some of the images and lampoons make me laugh. Given the subject matter and his attitude, it is a unique combination. Since I am no dummy and well read, I would say my being here is an endorsement.
His style is interesting in that it you can see the influence of his age, since some of it is rather mature and with older references, but it also interspersed with some youth culture and slang.
If there are literary flaws, I don’t notice because his irreverence makes them like a scratch on a dozer bucket.
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Jay
I’ve never heard any criticism of Roissy’s writing from anyone who has a blog.
People who actually create come at critique from a very different perspective that critics.
Whenever I hear criticism, my first reaction is always – show me YOUR work.
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Alpha assessment: Easter edition.
Jehovah, AKA יְהֹוָה
I will defer this entry to Richard Dawkins: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Verdict: Asshole Alpha.
Jesus: My sky daddy this, my sky daddy that. He was usually surrounded by 12 guys and was LJBFed by a hooker. His “father” Joseph was cuckolded: Impregnated by the Holy Spirit, yeah right. He founded one of the most pervasive religions, but I guess he didnt get any pussy. So faggot or beta-boy.
Satan: First rebel, metal rocker, bad boy of the history. You just have to read Milton to realize this Satan guy kicks serious ass:
“# Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
to reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
# Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven. ”
He has been adored by million of hot chicks, producing more gina-tingles than Roosh and Roissy combined.
Verdict: Über-Alpha.
Judas:Betrayed his master by money (OK) but then got all sissy and hanged himself. Omega.
[editor: what about muhammed? faggot pedophile?]
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“I’ve never heard any criticism of Roissy’s writing from anyone who has a blog.”
That’s because most bloggers are horrible, horrible writers. The blogosphere is the modern vanity press. It is mostly filled with the kind of junk that would never make it past a decent editor.
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Or some would prefer to think.
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Xsplat, but there’s a point when “acting like a woman to tame a woman” is just a catfight.
Men catfighting is not cool. I dislike it so much that when I’m writing in a men’s community, I translate most of what I have to say into Manian to avoid the catfighting style myself. It doesn’t always work, but I try.
Jibes and shortcuts I can get, but back and forth insults that prove nothing but that an individual is capable of cursing is two bitches fighting over the last designer knock-off handbag at a clearance sale. The one who “wins” is still a bitch. So it’s like a who’s the biggest bitchfight.
Now, technically, the male would generally be the winner in such an encounter, but it’s a hollow victory to simply be the most hostile and the most invested in the outcome over a petty scrap of fabric.
To prove the superiority of your perspective or even yourself, the simple solution is to be superior. The immediate outcome of the debate pales in comparison to the long term reality of the situation.
Some things are a matter of experience. Until someone has experienced something that defies their previously held beliefs, they will not believe that what they believe doesn’t make any sense until they see it or experience it for themselves. All you can do as their opponent in such matters is plant the seed and let time do its work.
Then when they see it or experience it, they’re armed with alternative perspectives that will hopefully help them to better navigate it than they would have had they not discussed it with you.
In other cases, frustration comes from dwelling on what ought to be instead of what is. Most of us ladies here haven’t exactly handled all of our affairs very intelligently in the past. I’ll come right out and say that when I came here, I was utterly baffled. Confused doesn’t even begin to describe it.
So I think more patience is in order. I’m not asking you to censor yourself, just to consider that social interactions are made of individuals, but most of whom aren’t extremely individualist.
It’s very easy for some to take in the information, toss it around, come to a conclusion, and make a plan for themselves. Some can do this despite being insulted because they’re used to hostility. Most people though, are fairly easily alienated, and franky I think women in general are alienated enough.
Technically, this was done by their own hand as a group, but individually they’re just cogs in the machine. A cog doesn’t know what the people pulling the levers are doing. They’ve been programmed, and are performing their function, and can’t see the big picture.
What they can see though, with time, is how they themselves are being slowly ground to dust.
Since you know the price they are paying to be part of a twisted old wreck built by vampiric psychopaths, why not save the hostility for when or if you find out that they are really opponents, and not just duped drones?
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Nicole, usually the way you write is clear, eloquent, and to the point. This time I was unable to parse your meaning. Can you summarize?
I agree that bitchy catfights help no one.
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When it’s alleged stranger rape esp. with accompanied with some injury outside of the vagina area (rough sex) then I tend to believe it. She might have been very careless, but stranger rape isn’t justified and is ordinarily very unlikely to be a mistake on his part.
When it’s alleged date rape, particularly of the tipsy variety, then yeah I basically don’t believe it. She’s gonna have to do way better than her say so or I won’t believe it. Particularly if she’s got any reason at all to be lying, and girls usually do, ranging from feminist ideology to having a boyfriend to have a good or fairly girl reputation to uphold, or her parents found out, and so on.
There is absolutely no doubt that the atmosphere radical feminists have created on campus and in the minds of girls not long away from there is to cry date rape first in any situation they regret, can’t remember well, or that had any ambiguity.
Well screw that bitches, I ain’t believing any of that feminists shiite. She had to make it crystal clear to him she didn’t want it, and continued to not want it, and wasn’t changing her mind. If she didn’t wasn’t rape, or at the very least it’s way to doubtful.
Also super enticing and egging on and then at the last minute saying no is also super suspicious and she’s got to have more than her say so for me to believe he’s guild of a serious crime.
Way, way to much hysterial leaning over towards women interests and screw being fair to men on the part of all radical feminists, and indeed all who call themselves feminist today.
Reject that wholeheartedly men, and fair minded, men loving women.
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xsplat said this–
“This is actually why I was laughing so hard at Anouks attempt to bring her attackers down. In order to effectively diminish someone socially, you have to be in a position of power over them. You can do that with intellectual arguments, which stand on their own merits. If you want to do it with displays of higher value, that has to be already established. Thus the hot temptress will snub an unsuitable suitor, because she is obviously hotter than he is. If she is not, her attempt to snub is inneffective, and therefore she makes herself look silly. Also, if the guy is not under the sway of what she is offering, she can’t use her sexuality as a snub. Because he won’t be affected.”
–xsplat, you have to understand that snubbing anyone would not be my intention. I do not operate like this or think in these terms. You are loading my words with the wrong motives. I began that way of talk after it become unnecessarily personal. You seem to care greatly for social credit, I drift off to the side on this, as many artists tend to do. I would have written different comments if I had known how serious you were going to get. I’m not looking to “offer” anything to any particular guy in that sense, my heart is not free to give and offer. I was here to participate in the topic being discussed. To no snubbing of anyone who comments, I am not interested in offering myself via the internet. Love is met in real life, we all know this. You and I differ greatly in the giving a shit about social credit in in this realm. I do not care and you care a lot. That is all I was trying to say. I have been very honest about my age, my background, etc. No man younger than me should be fucking me, he should should be with a younger woman than myself. I agree that anyone should earn your respect, I am actually in agreement with a lot of what you write. I’m proud that I’m not some fat ass girl at 32. It takes effort to care about oneself and keep in good psychical shape. I also admit to not being in my prime and that is why I date guys in their forties. I am saying your reaction to me, considering my motives, was unjustified, and it seemed to come at me much more violently than necessary. I do not fear you in the slightest. Or anyone here for that matter.
[editor: i checked your blog. you have a good body.]
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xsplat–
I am an ISFP, I do not wish to quarrel or to take anyone “down”, but I won’t just take shit talk from someone either. My motives have never been what you seem so convinced that they were.
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Maurice–
Loopy and random? Huh? Part of the topic is love. I place love above all else because it has proven it’s worth to me several times. In order for love to succeed for a sustainable amount of time, it must be being exchanged in a way between two people that is sufficient for them both.
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Peace Anouk.
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xsplat- How so? Do you see more clearly what I was attempting to explain or “peace” as is fuck off?
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Ya, maybe I was reading stuff into what you were saying, maybe I was irritable, maybe I was accurate, whatever. You seem good natured enough, so, peace as in peace.
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Thank you xsplat.
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@anouk-
These seemed to come out of some odd, Deepak Chopra-y space which was only loosely related to the topic of the thread or comments. Surprised me because usually you’re a lot sharper and more on-point.
@xsplat- also, this
is wrong.
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Maurice, I’m just pulling stuff out of my ass here again (I find the most amazing stuff in there) but, did you note that I differentiated between two types of snub?
1) snub based on evidence or argument
2) snub based on social superiority, for instance a hottie snubbing a suitor she deems unworthy?
The later type of snub is what I was rambling on about.
The 1st one I was careful to explain rested on its merits.
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@maurice: I’m all ears for an analysis of opera and game. Most readers probably wouldn’t care, but what makes such posts worth it is not how many people appreciate them, but how it excites and refreshes those who do.
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Maurice; Sid-
Bridgette Nilsson’s Tristan und Isolde is some heavy emoting alright, Norse style. Stirring stuff, if you get in the right receptive mood for it.
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Laura–
If American marriage and divorce laws were way different it wouldn’t be for old enough men, sometime in their mid thirties on out anyway, even in an age of easy extramarital pussy. But the reality is we do have divorce 2.0 twice as often initiated by men as women, and in 50% of all marriages, and as well marriage 2.0, which the feminist programing in our schools, entertainment media and man family make as woman dominated as of right and male nagged and disadvantages as much as they can manage, almost.
As it is though living with a woman if you want to go the deep emotional commitment route is far preferable. It’s way better and fairer for a man if a seperation occurs. As well she’s never as secure, which is a very good thing in America today. Means much better sex. Much less nagging. Much more on even terms or an edge to the man’s terms if he’s got any game (or more than an edge), which is how it should be. That’s much harder to preserve in marriage, even with the best prenup. All her friends will be working on her to wring as much one sided advantage as they have.
Yeah it can be handedled with game and the right choice of woman in a marriage but living together is way safer. Kids is the only reason to get married but that can be done in a commited unmarried living together relationship outside of marriage as well. As is very often done in Europe. Probably best to have a written cohabitation and parenting agreement beforehand in the case of contemplating kids, or in some particularly bad states for men, including Cali of course.
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Mr. Rolaids,
Read more carefully — Roissy wasn’t saying he scored 25 times out of 30, he was saying that of 30 times he scored, 25 followed this particular pattern.
anoukange,
Roissy’s doesn’t hand out compliments lightly and he always underpraises to keep women on their toes, so I was intrigued by his remark and checked out your blog. First of all, very nice photography. Second, Roissy was indeed underpraising. If you did want to date younger guys, you’d do well.
Frohliche,
This blog is better written than 99% of the blogs I’ve seen, and it scores as high on content as it does on form.
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xsplat-
I have to agree with Maurice here. When I read by that statement I thought, well that’s just way wrong. Some truth for men but none at all for women doing the diminishing. I’m not saying this to gang on you. But because it raising something we need to keep in mind.
The whole (largely female) dating to the stone age human vehicle of gossip is predicated on what Maurice quotes from you being dead wrong. In fact a good part of female socializing is about groups of the weaker taking down or down a peg a strong male who’s violated certain understandings policed by them or too much attacked one of their close in members, etc. Of course these same girls will go competitive for that same alpha guy they’re sometimes restraining.
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Xsplat, on snubbing, the possible confusion is why when I’m asked, I explain the reason I say no, or tell someone who needs telling, to get lost.
More than once, I’ve been brutally honest about the fact that I understand how the guy perceives me (ugly or socially inferior = easy lay) and that he should find a prettier or more ignorant target.
Somehow, they still don’t take it very well.
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@Doug, Hmm, ya I see what you’re saying. Perhaps I was trying to generalize a principle from a specific, and it didn’t pan.
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An apparently somewhat annoyed Maurice said:
i tried to post a comment on your blog this morning and it rejected the text. you must have programmed it to keep me out after the sex-chair incident earlier this week
I checked. You got spammed (nothing to do with me, I have not done anything to keep you out). There are also three other comments in moderation if that is any consolation. Good comment, I will put it up and reply to it.
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Maurice emoted plaintively & wistfully:
but noone else would. classical music is such an obscure subject these days, enjoyed and understood by such a tiny minority, that i suspect most readers would scratch their heads and skip over any posts on the topic. they’d be damn good posts, though
Maurice, just put up the posts and stop toying with us.
Although I would like to read the posts, you are not going to induce me to beg for them.
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@maurice, Sid, of course Cosi Fan Tutti is the ultimate game opera. I saw it this year with my gf. Literally, “women are like that”. A story about a wise old man teaching two young lovers the depths of their fiancees’ commitment, i.e., little to none. Brilliant.
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Polymath
“Mr. Rolaids,
Read more carefully — Roissy wasn’t saying he scored 25 times out of 30, he was saying that of 30 times he scored, 25 followed this particular pattern. ”
Thanks.
This leaves me even more curious as to
– hold good looking is Roissy/Chateau?
– what quality of girls is he picking up?
– how old is he?
– is he rich? and plucking from a social circle? ( if so, big deal) is he a ‘star’ of some sort getting lays out of status seekers? ( if so, big deal?)
– where is he picking up? ( Dominican Republic? L.A.? HUGE difference)
– 30 “scores”… over what time period, in what environments?
[editor: let me clarify. that’s 30 scores out of X approaches. so a fair amount of approaches in between the 30 scores ended prematurely, so to speak.]
I want to know, because he claims the MM algorithm pulled these females. If he’s rich, model good looking, or a star of some sort, it’s not the MM algorithm that’s doing the work.
As I stated, there’s currently a backlash against dating companies because of false advertising and claims. I’ll also add that the evidence they provide is very very suspect. The evidence is also poor evidence ( testimonials that any liar can cook up, and has).
Tyler Durden aka Owen Cook, the CEO of the dating company RSD, could sway young, masses of males, with his words, his claims ( which now have been proven to be massive exaggerations to outright lies ) seduced many young men with his writing. He got want he really wanted….status, and a LOT of attention ; )
Mystery is a liar. Neil Strauss is a liar. Most of them have to lie….because…..the “methods” just do not work as advertised. Period. Hence the current backlash.
[well, they worked for me. and i can confidently say the number of girls i experienced the greatest pleasure with would have been significantly lower without any application of game. but, hey, i never made any claims that game is a sure thing. it’s a powerful tool that will increase your success rate, like any other male attractiveness tool (e.g. moeny, fame, looks).]
I don’t believe Roissy/Chateau. These are highly unusual stats. If they are true, then, do NOT generalize from them, he is an anomoly.
[it’s not 30 out of 30. more like 30 out of 100, if i had to guess. if you don’t put yourself out there you won’t get a thing.]
Again, I’ve taken two bootcamps with these dating companies. I’ve seen the carnage post bootcamp as well.
There’s a 90% failure rate as stated by Sinn, who worked as an instructor for Mystery.
[i can believe that. but that’s not necessarily proof that game doesn’t work.]
The ONLY time I’ve seen these numbers personally, within a short amount of time, is from a good looking, 18 yr old kid, who has massive status within his peer group, and has tons of single, available females who want to bang him. In fact, some of them paid him. I believe him considering the environment he’s in, his looks, and the plethora of single available females in that environment.
( they’re teenagers for gods sake).
[most male teens get *no* action at all. to the top 5% of teens go the spoils.]
I think you’re being lied to…which wouldn’t surprise me, since most folks who are good with words are the biggest liars in my experience.
[do you see me selling anything? i don’t even have fucking adsense on here.]
What would Roissy/Chateau get out of this?
Attention of course.
[or personal amusement. you know, like watching tv. or playing frisbee. except more sadistic.]
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@Laura,
“I don’t see why it is beta to get married. I would think after a certain age it would just get boring going to bars trying to pick up women.”
Indeed. I was in a nightmare marriage for many years, which I stuck with out of some sense of commitment (to the kids), but when I finally got out of it, the last thing I wanted was a bunch of meaningless sex, which I found readily available from women my age. Instead, I want sex with meaning, because that was what was missing from my marriage. I got plenty of sex from my at the time wife, but it was like having a fuck buddy after a while.
To get meaning post-divorce, I have had to be selective, and exclusive. If I do eventually marry my current gf, it will be out of a conscious choice and not because she tries to trap me. She’s not the sort of person who would want anyone who doesn’t want to be there anyway. She’s been divorced for over 10 years, so she’s obviously capable of being on her own.
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Guys like Mr. Rolaids (sick handle, bro) are great.
What exactly is the PSA they think they’re offering?
Guys like this troll other forums (investment, weightlifting, poker come to mind) insisting – “these methods do not work!”
They’re right, they don’t work for them, or lots of passive people in these forums … WHO DON’T PUT IN THE WORK.
Shit is hard, man.
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What I can’t figure is why Roissy didn’t do a three-some.
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A question just came to Pupu’s mind.
Which one has higher value, a bracelet with one single diamond or the same bracelet with a dozen more look-alike fake diamonds added to the chain (and there is no way to tell, by eye, which stone is the real one)?
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Pupu
Does it really matter?
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Whichever one made your belly feel more bonded to the belly of the presenter. That can’t be predicted by women – because they know they’ll get the biggest initial kick out of an expensive present.
No woman would ever know that skittles would make her more bonded than diamonds.
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Whichever one made your belly feel more bonded to the belly of the presenter
That is probably right.
That can’t be predicted by women – because they know they’ll get the biggest initial kick out of an expensive present…No woman would ever know that skittles would make her more bonded than diamonds
Is not the case. You underestimate women.
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Last sentence should read:
You underestimate (some) women.
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You think? Show me the woman then who will say she’ll prefer to receive a skittles present over a diamond present.
I estimate that there are none. Women will back rationalize their desires and immediate emotions and assume those desire and immediate rewards will associate with the longer term reward of bonding.
Do I underestimate? Or is it that I don’t esteem women as they self esteem.
So far even the very smart snowflakes that I’ve loved have been incapable of any meaningful level of introspection. Smart as a whip, great writers, well read. Makes no difference. Women don’t know themselves – they know what they want to be.
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Diamonds are polished lumps of rock.
People are far more interesting.
There are a limited number of things one can do with diamonds (vajazzling would be a bit narcissistic for SDaedalus)
But at least there would be some human interaction over a game of skittles.
SDaedalus appreciates that in wartime, or times of hardship, the monetary value of diamonds might come in useful. But the human soul is the brightest diamond of them all.
Try spending one’s life in a diamond palace.
It would get very lonely.
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So what you are saying, Daed, is that women are not intrinsically whores, and (some) are likely to choose a gift of no monetary value over a gift of value, because they will know that being treated relatively poorly will make them more attached to their man?
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Women are not intrinsically whores
In the past (and possibly still, in some societies), whoredom may have been a means to survival (and, less justifiably, status) for women
However whoredom is ultimately self-destructive, although I agree that a man can love a whore, he never trusts her, also she never trusts herself. This is sad.
Why on earth would a smart woman choose to be a whore in a society which gives her other options?
(Some) are likely to choose a gift of no monetary value over a gift of value, because they will know that being treated relatively poorly will make them more attached to their man
I agree with the first part of this clause, but the reason given by you in the second part is not correct.
What I am saying is that long term happiness is not based on money & possessions.
It is not the low monetary value of the gift of skittles that makes it better than the gift of a diamond
(the monetary value is more or less irrelevant, although SDaedalus might possibly be put off by a gift of very high monetary value)
it is what the gift signifies (affection/regard/understanding/meeting of minds)
as well as the behaviour after the gift (gifts should not be given as a substitute for affection, the really nice thing about the skittles gift is that it means that the giver of the gift will have to stick around longer so that it can be used)
However obviously if there is no one to play skittles with the gift becomes about as useful as a diamond.
So I don’t agree that being treated relatively poorly in the financial or other sense makes one more attached, what makes one more attached is knowing someone cares about one.
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Please excuse the italics.
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Daed, you might be interested in the skittles post on this site. Skittles is a candy, and long time commentors here use that word as shorthand for giving a gift of low monetary value. The theory is that giving a low quality gift will make the woman more attracted than the same man in the same circumstances giving a high monetary value gift. So the theory goes that all things being equal, treating a woman relatively poorly with gifts will make her love you more.
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The candy called Skittles was a particular favourite of mine as a child, I wasn’t aware that you had it in the States as well.
Candy is good too, as long as it can be shared.
I will have a look at that post
However your theory is based on any low quality gift working.
A sack of coal would be a nice contrast to diamonds but I do not necessarily think would provoke the same response as the Skittles (childhood bonding)
Obviously in times of economic hardship a sack of coal would be extremely welcome.
My point is that it is not the low monetary value of the gift, but the greater thought that has gone in to it (people do exercise greater thought in relation to choosing low monetary value gifts, and they are less likely to piss off after giving them, feeling that they have done their duty. Also, low monetary value gifts are less likely to be given out of guilt for having treated the recipient badly, how many diamonds are given out of guilt & spilled blood, I wonder)
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PS Someone who gives a diamond to a woman does not give very much of himself away, he is acting according to the popular image of what he should do. His pocket may be lighter, but his emotions remain boxed up. Someone who gives another gift, with a bit of thought in it, is actually communicating something about himself, this is arguably more valuable to a relationship.
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Daed, we are having two different conversations. I don’t think you’ll be able to understand what I’m talking about, no matter how carefully I put the ideas into words, until you read the skittles post.
Even then, no guarantee.
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we are having two different conversations
That is disappointing but is probably my fault for replying before I have read the skittles post.
I will read it today & have a think about it before I reply & give my views on that thread, if you could read them & let me know what you think maybe we could each understand what the other is saying better.
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I’ve read the skittles post and I think I know what it is saying, oh dear.
I think there is a core of truth there but there are a couple of things that are not quite right as far as I am concerned (I can’t speak for others) I will reply later.
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@sdaedalus-
My love, my love. You see the effect you have on me? I am inspired to Fed-Ex you a packet of Skittles, all the way from the middle east. You won’t have to beg. Now that I know they were a childhood favorite (sorry, American spelling) and they’ll have the proper effect on you…
Seriously, though, xsplat is right. You are having two different conversations. Skittles is shorthand on this board for a guy who treats his woman with a kind of Alpha disdain. You should go back and read the post to see what we mean. It’s the opposite effect from a man who showers his girl with expensive gifts, which are effective DLVs in gameland. Although, I have to say I agree more with your side of that non-conversation – a gift which is personalized to a relationship and situation is the best.
Also, diamonds suck. They’re the same thing as coal. I think it would be pretty funny to give a girl a lump of coal, and say, “bury this in the earth’s crust for a few million years – then it will symbolize my eternal love, according to the DeBeers cartel.” I’d go for a girl who could laugh at that.
@schmoe- yeah, “Cosi” is the best Mozart opera for that, but not the only one.
I’ll think more about the opera posts. Just mentioned the idea in passing because I was happily astonished by the Wagner quote from Sid. Wasn’t really expecting any subsequent commentary. I’ll ask Roissy about it next time I send him an e-mail. I’d have to take the time to write them, include audio clips, etc.
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Daed, you were expected to disagree with the premise of the skittles post, or at least come up with the usual female arguments against it. The chief one being, of course “but not ALL girls are like that”.
Which brings us to another major premise of game. Another major premise on the science of seduction, of pushing women’s attraction buttons. That premise is that women are not capable of knowing what their own buttons are.
Not just that they are unaware. That they have an inability to be aware of it.
There are scientific experiments which prove this. You can show women pictures and ask them to explain how turned on they are getting by the pictures. They will be wrong, as measured by vaginal moisture. They not only won’t know for what reasons what pictures turn them on, they won’t even know when they are being turned on.
Women are not capable of self knowledge.
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,i>Daed, you were expected to disagree with the premise of the skittles post, or at least come up with the usual female arguments against it. The chief one being, of course “but not ALL girls are like that”
Sorry to disappoint you. If it’s any consolation, I have been out on errands and need to re-read the post before I can reply.
They not only won’t know for what reasons what pictures turn them on, they won’t even know when they are being turned on.
Women are not capable of self knowledge
Does anyone?
Is anyone?
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@sdaedalus
“Pupu
Does it really matter?”
Just a fun game Pupu plays in her own head. That’s all.
Diamond, like any down payment, is a symbol of (mutual) commitment. It is nice when love has something to do with it. But that is not always the case.
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“Each of you, fifteen dollar– me love you long time!”
or
“If you’re rich, I’m single.”
Take your pick.
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Obviously sdaedalus respects the complete autonomy of the blog owner to moderate comments,
but her post(s) have been in moderation for nearly 10 hours now
it is nearly midnight over here
and she was so enjoying the discussion.
She is not going to beg though.
Please don’t make her beg.
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Daed, you were expected to disagree with the premise of the skittles post, or at least come up with the usual female arguments against it. The chief one being, of course “but not ALL girls are like that”
Sorry to disappoint you. If it’s any consolation, I have been out on errands and need to re-read the post before I can reply.
Women are not capable of self knowledge
Is anyone?
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Is this question meant to imply something? Or not? Sounds like it is meant to imply something.
In case you are interested in the science of introspection and the relative different abilities between men and women for self knowledge, men are perfectly capable of knowing when they are turned on. And by what. In sharp contrast to women.
This may inform you as to why, on this blog, women’s opinions about what they like in terms of relationship and lust are mostly ignored. Sometimes even ridiculed.
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I have no idea whether I was first to say it anywhere but I know I said it before I heard it from someone else. – That human females have a horribly restricted awareness of their true gina-tingles because having such awareness would complicate and burden down their traditional mission of sucking resources out of a trusting, non-tingly beta while fucking an alpha.
Lately, I have been conducting experiments on the matter. The scheme is to say out loud to some adult females some version of, “Females want to fuck one kind of guy yet build a nest with and to be supported by an all-together different sort of guy. Guys just have to expect it”
So far, all I have gotten in response have been blank stares, as if they had heard a sound in a language their brains were forbidden to hear.
Research is on-going.
But you all can help its progress. Just repeat some version of this Grand Assertion and see if their brains can even consciously hear it, much less come up with a thoughtful relpy.
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I’ll go a step further, Daed. Not only do women not have conscious awareness of their inner workings, they avoid it.
Women have all sorts of strategies of deliberately avoiding self knowledge.
Self knowledge pains them. They get all uppity and up in arms against it. As a sisterhood.
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Ya, Rum, as I recall you are the proponent of the no-introspection due to dual sexual strategy. I suppose we should name it the Rum theory, for easy reference.
It’s a theory that goes far. I think there are extra advantages to the lack of introspection. Women tend to socially construct their societies, and if they had to but up against science, their anthropological assertions would lose power. If measurable reality intruded on their social hierarchies, they could not create the hierarchies through brute gossip.
It would be a disadvantage to a woman, not only in relation to men, but in relation to other women, to know what her own motivations are. If all she is capable of believing is what her emotions are telling her to believe, she will always act in her own best interest. Truth be damned.
If she can figure out her own vile ways, shame would lead her to be unselfish.
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Rum said: “The scheme is to say out loud to some adult females some version of, ‘Females want to fuck one kind of guy yet build a nest with and to be supported by an all-together different sort of guy. Guys just have to expect it.’
So far, all I have gotten in response have been blank stares, as if they had heard a sound in a language their brains were forbidden to hear.”
Yup. “It just feels right” is easier for ’em to tell themselves than realize what they’re doing and be responsible for their actions. (“How would it be if your husband did that to you?” gets the wheels turning.)
Regardless, kick ’em to the curb if you even hear that they said: “Bad boys are for makin’ babies, nice guys are for raisin’ them.” (They thought about AND like the idea.)
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In the interest of brazen self promotion, I’ll label the theory that women actively and stridently avoid self knowledge as the x principle. No, xx principle, for the double chromosome.
So now we have the Rum theory, and the xx principle.
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And it is this fact that women actively and stridently avoid self knowledge that I believe the war of the sexes must be fought by men on men’s turf. Through our frame.
Trying to get women to understand won’t much help. We need economic power over them. Physical power. We need to dominate in the areas in which we actually do dominate. In the physical realms of controlling resources. And, for the elite amongst us, in the psychological realms of being a father figure for the permanently less mature female.
Going at a woman and explaining that feminism is not in her best interest won’t be the most effective strategy. It might help a bit, but ultimately women can not hear that message. Not won’t, can’t. They can’t because they can only hear their emotions, and if feminism is in their short term best interest, that is all they will be able to see or know.
No woman will tell you she would prefer a skittle over a diamond. Don’t expect her to. Manipulate them and win, but never expect them to play fair. Or to even regard reality as anything other than a temporary inconvenience.
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Oh, and as to Nicole’s assertion that it is counter productive to be very aggressive to the duped masses of card carrying feminists who don’t know any better, I call bulshit.
It is productive to be super aggressive to the innocently duped.
And it is productive to promote such aggression.
Look how well that strategy worked for women? They got PC think instituted everywhere.
It will work for men as well. Don’t tolerate misandry, and punish it vocally. In an over the top manner. Punish it harshly. Publicly.
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As for how to dominate a woman economically, that won’t always be easy. What i prefer to do is make the mate into a secretary for my entrepreneurial enterprises, while maintaining full control of all my financial gains.
My last girl complained that she wanted her own money, and I told her that I want to keep her down, and keep her poor, because I didn’t want her to have any options.
She didn’t like that, but she understood it. She stubbornly fought against it, but I kept the status quo. It was to my advantage to limit her options, to make her dependant on me, to have her work towards OUR financial wellbeing, and to have her lose that wellbeing if she were to leave me.
That kind of thing makes a woman LOVE you more. Yes, real love. You must brazenly manipulate love out of and into a girl. It doesn’t matter if you explain to her in detail all the steps you use. You can be honest. But manipulate.
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It’s a skittles thing. She’ll fight you tooth and nail for the diamond, but will ultimately respect you more for the skittle.
Women understand in their bellies when a man is taking charge and owning a woman. They respect that, in their bellies.
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And along those same lines, it’s important to keep your woman down in many other ways. Keep her always slightly jealous. But balanced with comfort and deep bonds. Keep her always with a slight edge of guilt for not doing enough. But balance that with genuine and frequent praise. Keep her on edge about her appearance, but balance that with praise for how well she dressses up. Keeping a woman down and on edge is a major part of keeping a woman in love with you. It’s a matter of balance. Never let her get uppity, for if she does, she’ll think she could aim higher than you.
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And you can tell her straight up exactly what you are doing. You can tell her that you like to keep her down.
It doesn’t matter.
Speak to the lower half of her being. What goes on upstairs is not important, in regards to what goes on downstairs.
As science has proven.
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It isn’t in men’s nature to act against women, as a group. We are individualists who tend towards chivalry.
But men are also warriors who will fight when their back is up against the wall. Women have pushed men to the point where we must fight them openly. We have no choice now.
The female power grab will be reversed, and men will start to openly fight women. The time for “respect” for the dainty precious flowers has long passed. Wearing glasses or not, they will be struck when they try to steal a man’s rightful authority.
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A lot of the feminist aims need to be directly fought against by men. Don’t let your woman associate with whore minded friends.
Don’t let her pursue a dual strategy of financial independence and romantic dependence. If you want to live together, it’s in your interest that she is financially dependent upon you and is incapable of profiting from divorce. Otherwise, keep separate abodes and don’t let her visit at her whim – date others and use your time as you see fit. There is no “us” if she needs options. There is two people with options. That’s fine. You can set her up with financial rewards and security in a way that you are in control – such as she can run a small business that you own, or manage rental property. Having a boss other than you means she is not your property. And you are not hers. Money and romance are inextricable – use that to advantage. She works for you, or she doesn’t. No dual strategy. You are the boss, or you aren’t. If you are not her boss, she is not your charge – not even romantically.
Don’t give her equal say. You are the final say.
Never have any discussion about what is fair. Life isn’t fair. A discussion can be about what is helpful for who. If she doesn’t like it, she can leave. That’s fair.
Your woman is not your partner. She is not your equal. She is your charge.
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If this attitude strikes you as unfair, if you equate being manipulative with being oppressive, then you misjudge the nature of women. A woman can not be happy unless her man has hand over her, and she has submitted. Once she does, those will be the happiest times of her life. The best times.
If you want to be good to your woman, you must dominate her. Must win her submission. Must have her dependent on you for her happiness, for approval, for sex, for security, for comfort, for all that is good in life.
Don’t give her the freedom she will demand. It will only make her miserable in the end. Treat her like a dog. Make her obedient and treat her as a cherished and irreplaceable part of your family.
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Ah, Heather; we all wore some of your blood-soaked clothing, didnny we? Kissing your sweet lips was like rescuuing an innocent lamb from a wolf. Or like killing it with a dull pick-ax. Right in front of its horrified mother.
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Skittles is a candy, and long time commentors here use that word as shorthand for giving a gift of low monetary value. The theory is that giving a low quality gift will make the woman more attracted than the same man in the same circumstances giving a high monetary value gift. So the theory goes that all things being equal, treating a woman relatively poorly with gifts will make her love you more
Ok, I’ve now read the Skittles post a number of times, as it was very well written, this was no hardship. As far as I can see, your statement above accurately summarises it. If it doesn’t, it would be helpful if someone let me know to avoid further meandering at cross-purposes.
I’m going to shock you by saying I agree more or less with the post. It’s a very simple premise: treat ’em mean to keep them keen. Why does this work? I don’t have a conclusive answer to this, but I have a number of suggestions.
Firstly, it is a sad fact of life that people often only appreciate something when it is walking away (or may be about to walk away) from them. I think people can possibly learn from experience on this, but only from experience.
Secondly, women dig intrigue & mystery. That kind of behaviour keeps us guessing.
Thirdly, there is nothing like the boredom of a conqueror with nothing left to conquer. Think Alexander the Great in his later years. Hell, think of the writer of the post to which this comment relates. Women love a challenge.
Fourthly, it plays on women’s insecurities. Sometimes we feel so bad about ourselves, that we think, if this guy appreciates us, they musn’t be worth anything themselves. The Skittles story illustrates the converse.
Fifthly, it is possible that there may be a link with the whole sex/guilt/pain thing in women. As SDaedalus doesn’t really work that way herself, she’s just throwing it out as a possibility, and would be interested to hear the views of other women.
But I have a couple of qualifications.
Firstly, is the packet of skittles really a red herring? Following the premise of the post through, couldn’t the same result have been achieved by giving her no present at all? Or is it more subtle than that? I have a few ideas, but I would like to hear your views.
Secondly, treating a woman badly must build up a lot of resentment on her part. I think it is likely that at some point, there is a crisis, and the relationship implodes, at least if she has other options. I appreciate though that the process is more subtle than just treating a woman badly, that a clever man can mix kindness and cruelty to keep the relationship going for quite a while. But ultimately, humans being lazy, he will either get fed up of doing this, and move on, or he will go too far one way or the other, and she will move on (the latter is usually messier, given the female capacity for revenge, possibly the knowledge of this is why so many players decide to end relationships first).
Put another way, what’s the longest LTR that Skittles man has been able to maintain? Of course, if one isn’t interested in LTRs, this is a different matter.
Thirdly, although I’m not sure if it’s possible for a woman to instinctively know that being treated badly has this effect on her, I do think it is possible for her to learn from experience (Game, after all, is a classic example of learning from experience). I agree that in order for her to learn from experience she has to admit the truth of the premise outlined above, but if this is done then matters become different, she can make a choice not to become involved, or to dissociate herself from involvement.
I do think that it is possible for women to know themselves (although this process may not be a pleasant experience) and knowing themselves, to make a choice based on the long-term consequences of their actions as opposed to short term gain. I’m not saying this is easy, but it is possible.
I’m not saying walking away will lead to long-term happiness either, but what’s the alternative if one want a decent long-term relationship that doesn’t completely mess with one’s head.
And please don’t say complete female subjugation – you all know you would be completely bored & just go off looking for another female challenge.
Surely there must be some kind of solution?
Finally, I’m going to make the point that the maxim “treat ’em mean, keep ’em keen” was originally invented to refer to women’s treatment of men. The Rules are effectively Skittles for Girls. Obviously this behaviour, if employed by women, works on (some) men too, possibly has worked on most of you pre-Game. You’ve admitted you were chumps, moved on and learnt from your experience, why is it so hard to believe that some women, at least, could do this too.
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xsplat
“Which brings us to another major premise of game. Another major premise on the science of seduction, of pushing women’s attraction buttons. That premise is that women are not capable of knowing what their own buttons are.
Not just that they are unaware. That they have an inability to be aware of it.
There are scientific experiments which prove this. You can show women pictures and ask them to explain how turned on they are getting by the pictures. They will be wrong, as measured by vaginal moisture. They not only won’t know for what reasons what pictures turn them on, they won’t even know when they are being turned on.
Women are not capable of self knowledge”.
Hence, the flaky behavior we are all aware of quite well.
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Xsplat, I didn’t say that it’s a good idea to be passive and non aggressive, just that hostility is wasted on the general herd.
Your fight is with the exploitive individualists leading them off the cliff.
It’s like running through a field of mad bunny rabbits guarding a dragon’s lair. If you waste your energy swinging at beings who are just as crushed by stomping as you go, you’ll be tired by the time you reach the dragon. The only bunnies worth serious worry are the ones who actually rise up and attach themselves to you by the teeth.
They’re going to follow whoever resides in the Great Burrow. Getting there is more important than smashing rabbits. As outliers, we spend most of our lives wasting our energy smashing the rabbits when we should be aiming for the real prize.
Last night, I was out with some friends, passing along some of the things I learned here and at men’s sites elsewhere, and I noticed that others around us were listening. At first, I didn’t want to let on that I noticed, but once bodies were actually turning in our direction, I decided to be a little less casual. By the end, it was kind of a game wake-up class, complete with hot-chick-with-douchebag examples parading by on occasion.
Unfortunately, there were also the dejected looks and comments of older, maybe divorced men and heartbroken young ones who realized just where they’d gone wrong.
If you speak the truth, people will recognize it because nature will bear you out. Trust the universe to do what it was built to do. There’s no need to get into slapfights with girls or girly men when the mini-skirted and wifebeatered facts are staring them in the face.
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” ‘Females want to fuck one kind of guy yet build a nest with and to be supported by an all-together different sort of guy. Guys just have to expect it.’
So far, all I have gotten in response have been blank stares, as if they had heard a sound in a language their brains were forbidden to hear”
Women know this quite well- just look at marry, fuck, kill. Do you really think that this game escapes their conscious knowledge?
No, its more like- The sisterhood is not wired for a male to say this to us explicitly on a conscious level- we must deny or else the jig will be up and the game over.
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””””’Which is how I felt for a long time. Game used to be a blessing. But then, you get so proficient that the patterns become all that you see. Like the green cascading numbers in the Matrix, individual charming women morph into machines in your mind’s eye, fleshy cyborgs of buttons and levers and algorithmic code, with a power cord that leads straight to their vaj. In your drearier moments, you find it difficult to even hoist them to the level of a machine; you instead picture them as feral animals, all instinct, no heart. Feral animals that give you sustenance — meat, love, or preselection.”””””’
Good stuff.
Yea the limits of the world we live in. Got to up it to having like 10 of em hang off your nutsack catering to your every wim until the final darkness beckins you off to la la land.
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Limits blow but yea ricefields are nice. Go figure. Go for concrete things to collect it feels good.
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It’s encouraging to hear of your understandings of the keep em mean to keep em keen principle, Daed.
I believe it works on women in a more sustainable way than it does on men, as I believe women are happier being submissive than men are. They feel secure rather than diminished. Of course it has to be done with balance. A woman prefers to look up to her man, but men over thirty have grown into their authority and want to exercise it. After they are done with cougers, they prefer to be more of a father figure than a follower. So the dynamic is not bisexual – it’s a strategy that works long term only when applied by men.
Yes, I believe it is sustainable indefinately.
I can’t speak for others, but for me yes, submission is the aim and I love it and I settle for nothing less. I have no idea what some people are talking about when they say they don’t want a submissive wife. I settle for nothing less in a mate. I’ve found it creates a great deal of joy an happiness, and lessens the streess and struggle. It’s precisely like the relationship between a cherished dog and the master.
The woman may have valuable input. She may have a brain. I’m still the boss.
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In my household I tell the woman to make me carrot juice. When she brings it I’m delighted afresh each time. It’s a source of warmth in my heart. The carrot juice is more healthy because it has love in it. Sometimes I even ask the girl “did you put love in it”? Usually I can see from her delighted face as she hands it that the whole process was love.
My command allows her to express her love.
That is a dynamic that works.
I allow no backtalk. There are no moods. The house is warm and happy because I make it so.
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Nicole, I see your point about not wailing on every fem-bot that wanders by. That would be extreme.
But I believe that the occasional wail is helpful. If one keeps one eye on the social cred gas tank meter, one can spend it with judicious wailing from time to time.
We all know what happens if you wail too much. The occasional use of the death stick of wailage on some poor “innocent” fem bot is fine.
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Also Daed, I’m not suggesting that the dynamic that I describe is universally applicable. It’s one dynamic that I’ve found is stable and satisfying. I’ve tried out several, and this one suits me well.
But it must be conceded that not every male shares my position of rightful authority. Some of us males are at a place in our lives where managerial knowledge is seeping out our pores. We’ve been practicing social discourse with girls so long we have the timing of a professional comic. And more to the point and the bigger picture is… we have perspective. Perspective that women generally lack. That most people generally lack. The older male has rightful authority by virtue of his experiences, timing, and perspective. People defer to our authority because we take our rightful seat.
Younger guys need to take their time with cougars, with getting fucked over, with loving and losing. Eventually if the man has perspective he’ll settle into his rightful authority.
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Xsplat, I agree that the occasional dick slap is in order. All I’m saying is that it doesn’t have the same impact online as it does offline. Also, you’re usually dealing with well indoctrinated women for whom this is completely alien territory. They have no idea what the hell is going on, and don’t even know the origins or history of their own ideology.
Speaking of which, I wonder how Skadi is doing after finding out that feminist fat acceptance is like a Christian Muslim.
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Why are you so scared of my posts, Roissy? Truth hurts, huh?
[editor: i randomly delete your comments for two reasons. one, you say the same stupid BS over and over, clogging up the conversation like hair in a drain. and two, it amuses me to watch you come back again and again begging for reinstatement.]
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Many guys here repeat the same stuff over and over again. What does it say about you that you erase me but let them speak…
[editor: you think you’re the only repetitive drone whose comments i randomly delete?]
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Anyway, PUA and the Game are exposed, and that’s what really matters.
[editor: last i checked, pua and game have been exposed for at least ten years, and it hasn’t changed the facts of the mating field or female preference one bit. where have you been, hiding under a rock?]
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In a monogamous LTR, not being exposed to such BS. It’s good to know it exists but luckily I’m not into gamers’ contingent, plus it doesn’t even take that long to distinguish a quality male.
[editor: i’m getting under your skin.]
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The stuff you write is interesting. And I have nothing to hide, I just wish guys here had a more realistic appraisal of reality and I wish you didn’t censor me. And it is counterproductive to ignite so much hatred between the sexes.
[editor: write less trite hackery and maybe your comments won’t be randomly deleted for ease of comment reading by the more valued guests. oh and two points. one, this blog is nothing if not a realistic appraisal of reality. if you find yourself at odds with that, you have only your own biases and self-nourishing delusions to blame. two, hatred sexes beam mote.]
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“one part of this post is an april fools. can you guess which part?”
Don’t leave us hanging.
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Well, I tried.
Still, this is one example of why these things have less impact online. One has to see things in real life happening, while they have the new information or perspectives in the pocket to refer to.
It’s one of the reasons I’m glad I have such awesome male relatives and friends who aren’t punks. All I needed to do was bounce a few things off them, get the feedback, and proceed more intelligently. I have no enablers encouraging me to be a shrew outside of play time. I respect their manhood more, and they respect my womanhood more, and feel less afraid to speak about things they wouldn’t have before. They now know they’re welcome to.
If on the other hand, a woman is surrounded by lazy punks, they’re not going to want her to grow. She’s their rock, their excuse not to butch up, etc. It’ll be a harder run for her freedom than it will be for someone with serious guys around.
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“I sometimes miss those unpredictable moments when I couldn’t take a step back.”
you miss them because you don’t have ’em now. when you get them again(if you do), you’ll miss not having them.
that’s human nature!
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[well, they worked for me. and i can confidently say the number of girls i experienced the greatest pleasure with would have been significantly lower without any application of game.]
I made a request for some information…ie. Looks, age, where you’re picking up. I’d LOVE to see what you look like and the quality of girls you’re picking up.
[editor: i consistently pick up girls much younger than me. usually in the 6-8 range. as for requests, you’ll just have to take my word for it. i’m not about to send you a CV. as for the proof of game’s efficacy, my success rate went up with game when my looks and everything else stayed the same. the only variable that changed was my adoption of game.]
[i can believe that. but that’s not necessarily proof that game doesn’t work.]
LOL. Um. They’re teaching GAME at bootcamps. Then, I’ve witnessed the LACK of results post bootcamps, and then dudes who are ‘disqualified’….overweight, bald, old, ugly, short, can’t pull a true blue 8.
[the major themes of game can be taught in a weekend, but it takes months to learn it and apply it correctly. so, no, the fact that 90% of bootcampers can’t go out and pull a hot chick immediately following a workshop doesn’t say much about the value of game itself. and i’ve never claimed a very low value man will be able to consistently pull 8s with game alone. but he will be able to pull one or two points higher than what he’s accustomed to pulling. which for many men would feel like heaven.]
[most male teens get *no* action at all. to the top 5% of teens go the spoils.]
And by top, I do mean, good looking…duh, thin, tall, and hangs with the right clique.
[teen girls are very looks and clique oriented. there are strong demarcations between the cool and the uncool dudes. pussy distribution is less egalitarian in high school.]
This…is NOT the real world. This kid needs no game. He says a code phrase, and the girl is down. Not real world.
[not sure what you’re referring to here.]
[do you see me selling anything? i don’t even have fucking adsense on here.]
I said “Attention”….many people lust after it. Some even pay for it. You’re a blog star dude. Look at all the admirers…lol.
[during the first year of this blog i hooked up with around a dozen blog admirers. but then i stopped doing that. i decided blog chicks (most of them, not all) were damaged goods and not worth my time. plus, i didn’t want to date women who were peculiarly drawn to this blog. i’m a heady romantic and would prefer women who were capable of being shocked by what i write here.]
[What exactly is the PSA they think they’re offering?]
Ummm….I TRYING to save you and others $3000 ahole.
[i don’t hawk boot camps here. and i don’t plan on taking any. but thanks for your concern?]
[They’re right, they don’t work for them, or lots of passive people in these forums … WHO DON’T PUT IN THE WORK]
This is the BIG one that companies run on their clients.
Think they’re going to tell a short, balding, dude, that he seriously has a chance of consistently ( and by this I mean, 1 out 40 cold approaches ) scoring a true blue 8?
[what about telling the short, balding dude that he has a realistic chance of scoring a 5 or a 6 when all he’s been used to scoring are 2s and 3s? that’s not unreasonable.]
IF, this were possible, believe me, those testimonials would be up there in glaring technicolor by now. It’s been years since these companies made these claims. Go to everyone of their sites. You’ll see no such evidence.
Because, their claims are bogus.
Get over it.
[you really need to read my archives. you’re barking up the wrong tree here.]
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That routine is a terrifying apparatus. Even imperfect execution is devastating. God save the women of this world.
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Hi chateau,
excellent post. I too have become sickened of the mechanics of seduction and the cold realities of feminine nature. I reached a point about 4 years ago where I could walk into just about any room, walk around like a jerk for 5 minutes and have women open sets on me. They would run a couple of tests and then offer their numbers when I said ‘sorry, I gotta run’. All different types of women but, still all the same. Many were married and even single women all have at least one guy in their life that is not gonna find out.
The deceptive, coniving, dishonest nature of women was litterally making me sick to my stomach. Their disgusting appetites for perveted sexuality with a fucking asshole like me made me want to die.
I used to live in that world, but I left it behind. I went beyond this ‘enlightened state’ and discovered a new world. The key: celibacy.
I don’t jizz. Not with women, not by myself. Seminal fluid is mine and it is not released illogically. It is the most prescious substance in the universe and I now live in a most blissful state, one that must be experienced to be understood.
Guys, this world can be whatever you want it to be. Experiment with celibacy. Try not to jizz for weeks and months at a time. Watch your world transform. Your interactions with women will be transmutable and resultantly pure.
It’s no secret. The most profound thinkers and meditation masters, from the dalai lama of today to the historical Buddha of 2500 years ago, all renounced women, all practiced celibacy.
Ultimately, what you seek is happiness and contentment. Lose the desire for carnal ‘pleasures’ and attain a higher level of realization.
DON’T JIZZ
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Dude, once it becomes routine and predictable you know you’re doing it right. It’s like mass production, once the machines start turning out the product efficiently there aren’t many knobs to tweak.
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I wish to chime in on the April Fools aspect of this post. I’ve only read the first half of the replies but I’m surprised that so many of you have not figured it out. This post is a joke but the joke is on Roissy. It’s all true (except the diamond bracelet part).
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