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Using This Blog As A Pickup Prop

April 5, 2010 by CH

A late 20-ish/early 30s woman with a passing resemblance to Jennifer Connelly sat down on the springless couch to my right, relieved that she found a spot to sit in the crowded coffee shop. She sunk all the way in like a turtle retreating into its shell, and I smiled and told her the couch already ate two people. She laughed while pulling out a laptop.

My laptop was in front of me, perched on my thighs. In between spurts of typing I reached to sip from a cup of dragon well green tea and to munch on toasted focacia with slices of brie. Because my balls weigh that of ten men, I am secure enough to write the previous sentence. Immediately, my thoughts drifted to meeting this woman and how I could best use my supranatural Lucifer-given talents to accomplish that.

I waited for ten minutes to pass. When a woman is forced by circumstance to loiter in your proximity, it’s best not to jump on her right away. A man must leave an impression that his interest in a nearby woman only piqued after his mind stopped being preoccupied by whatever he was doing before she arrived. So I continued typing while pretending her stimulating looks hadn’t yet registered in the cock-shaped part of my brain.

Finally, I delivered my opener.

“I’ve never seen someone so engrossed in their work. You writing the next great American novel?”

Standard operating procedure. I’ve used the line many times, although it felt fresher this go round. Perhaps I was inspired by my latent decision to toss caution to the wind with what was about to come.

She chuckled at my opener, and answered with the confident voice of a woman who is used to sparring with men.

“Not quite. More like the next great American Excel spreadsheet.”

A good-looking woman with a genuine sense of humor? Did I sell my soul to the devil in a dream? Oh wow, I’d better not screw this up. My game has to be super tight! No margin for error. Just dance with the script that brought me here. No need to improvise. Stay the course!

“Ooh. My Mom warned me about women who use Excel.”

“Oh, really?” she playfully parried. “And what did she warn you about?”

“They’re bad news. They can analyze a man and know what he’s all about in two seconds.”

“That sounds like a great gift to have!”

We chatted for five more minutes. She was slowly hooking. Eventually, the conversation found its way to a point where I could deliver the following line.

“Luckily for me, I’m totally inscrutable. For instance, I’m definitely not writing an Excel spreadsheet. So you can try not to be so obvious when you peer over my shoulder to see what I’m writing.”

Babe bait.

“You certainly think highly of yourself.”

“I’m just a boy trying to figure it all out.”

“Is that what you’re writing about? Figuring it all out?”

“Sort of. I write a dating and relationship blog. Unfortunately, it’s pretty popular. So I have a lot of stalkers. Cost of doing business, I guess.”

“A dating blog?”

“And relationships.” I show her the front page of the Chateau.

“And you’re citizen renegade?”

“Among other names.”

“So, if you’re such an expert on dating, why are you still single?”

“The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* I still be single?”

“Oh no, you sound like trouble.”

Ka-ching!

“Wow, the prison warden said the same thing to me.” She smiled and I let a few seconds of silence break the badinage.

I put forth my most serious face. “Hey, I have a confession to make…”

I love the ‘confession’ line. It’s like a mini insta-vulnerability game pebble that I can toss into almost any conversation to boost the girl’s intrigue. Plus, it makes girls a wee bit nervous, wondering if I’m going to confess to something really sordid that would make them too horny to control themselves.

“My blog is pretty controversial. I write about the dark side of human social dynamics as well. People with closed minds would probably not be able to understand. So if you find yourself curious, don’t say I didn’t warn you.”

“I suppose now I’m going to have to take a look some time.”

“Hey, listen, I’ve got to run. But before I do I’d like to grab your number so our conversation doesn’t have to stop here for all eternity.”

This is my new number closing line. So far, I like it.

We exchanged numbers. The next day, I called her and set up a date that evening. No need to wait two days. She wasn’t an early 20s flakeriffic chick. The date went well, and we ended with a kiss. My blog was discussed, briefly, when she asked if I was really like my blog persona in real life. After I assured her I was (and make no mistake, it was assurance she secretly wanted), we went salsa dancing. A kiss to close the night, and I told her I had a good time. I didn’t set up a time for a second date. Never make plans for a future date while on a date. It reeks of urgency. Best to just tell the girl you must go, and you had a good time. Leave her stranded knee deep in the wonderment of her uncertainty.

***

I admit that using my blog as proof of status to pick up girls is cheesy. One of my goals in writing this post was to show just how powerful raw status game can be for a man. There was very little in the way of calculated technique-based game as is commonly understood used in this pickup. Instead, I relied on the crutch of high status within my endeavor of choice.

Cheesy, and effective.

She will probably read this blog post, so what I’m about to write may cost me, and her, a chance to see where this will lead. Or not. As I walked home from that first date, I asked myself if I really wanted to date the kind of girl who would be intrigued by what I write on this blog. If past experience is prologue…

But that is an answer for another time.

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  1. on April 5, 2010 at 11:10 am Schmoe

    Past experience with Pupu tells you what? That stalker-chicks are secretly crazy? Hey, aren’t they all? Aren’t we all? We live a crazy life that ends in death, and we have the ego to think that we matter in between.

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  2. on April 5, 2010 at 11:11 am SPRUT

    Confident bastard

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  3. on April 5, 2010 at 11:14 am Doug1

    What I’m most curious about at the moment is your girlfriend and whether she reads this blog as well. And whether this experience your write of here is more or less in real time, or not.

    Many sex and relationship blog writers have found that writing in real time is hazardous – to either their blog’s integrity or their relationships or both. Most also or instead work hard to keep their blog identity unknown in their real world. Which has to include friends as well as girlfriends. Well many a blog has been discontinued and then a new one under another name started. I’ve usually just found the new ones with the old ones referred to in general terms from time to time.

    [editor: i purposefully fuck with the chronology of events in my blog posts.]

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  4. on April 5, 2010 at 11:19 am greatbooksformen

    omg jennifer connely girl totally go for roissy!!!

    you know you want it!!

    i like how roissy called you the next day.

    when you wait two days girls think you’re waitiung two days like a good little beta male.

    alphas call whenever teh fukc they fell like it lzioziizlliklzlz

    i am roissy’s best wingman/wingnut whatever

    i make him look good by going lzozlzlzllzlzlzlllzlz

    then the girl goes home with him and says, “you have satrnge friends–strange but funny.” and she gives him a little kiss and says “i’m glad i’m with you.”

    and roissy says me too and whips it out and bangs her and then, finally, ge goes “lozllzlzl!” all over her.

    lzozlzl

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  5. on April 5, 2010 at 11:22 am PA

    I have a confession to make. The other day I was in a SWPLish cafe, also with my laptop, and by coincidence, tried running the same Blog-Owner Game when a cute girl sat down next to me. Similar opener, followed by my telling her that I am the guy running the blog that’s open on my laptop. Intrigued, she peered over and asked: “The Obsidian Files?”

    Oh shit. I had clicked from Roissy’s blog to Obs’s just a moment before sat down.

    The show must go on. Without missin ga beat I replied “Why, yes. I am Obsidian.”

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  6. on April 5, 2010 at 11:27 am Doug1

    Another topic of great interest to me and I’ve seen indication here that it is to others as well is the high and relatively difficult art of maintain multiple simultaneous LTRs aka MLTR’s.

    This is graduate school level game seems to me. The easier form is with with young girls none of whom are lockdown sure to be or voluntarily pledged to 100% true to you. Oh they may defacto be exclusive, but they reserve the right, for evens stevens kind of thing. It also doesn’t tend to be stable.

    I guess what I’m really focusing on as the true graduate level game is the ability to have one or two really committed totally yours LTRs, with the freedom for you to go and sometimes play a little, not in a full time life consuming PUA way, but occassionally as circumstance may throw up opportunities.

    That of course is so totally contrary to the feminist ideology of our time, or any Western religious one either, that it’s well, perhaps the ultimate PUA challenge.

    It seems to me it requires along with game skills and probably some genuine outside of PUA arts wider world alpha status (being Hemingway or George Clooney can help), carefully picking the LTR girl or two, since only a small slice of women no matter how besotted will go for this. You also gotta really believe this can be good for the girls too, and work to make it so. The biggest problem is that it’s hard to have a surrounding society that’s supportive.

    At first glance Islam might seem to be, and in a sotto voce way maybe even Islam in the West. The trouble there comes with the casual play side. Totally verboten traditionally in Islam. Though I don’t know. Forbidden but really how punished? Fornication outside of marriage is forbidden by Catholicism too, but in many times and places the Church has really not been that opposed to prostitution keep a bit in the dark corners.

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  7. on April 5, 2010 at 11:30 am Doug1

    Really how punished in Islam when it’s fornication by men with someone not another Muslim’s wife or good girl daughter. Fornication with e.g. Western post christian sluts. How punished? Not very it would seem. Or not at all. Not openly discussed.

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  8. on April 5, 2010 at 11:36 am Anonymous

    You consider yourself high status as a … Blog writer.

    [editor: every male endeavor has female groupies. status is not an absolute, but a property relative to the waking death the masses call living.]

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  9. on April 5, 2010 at 11:42 am Jamila

    If I met a guy and found out her ran a game blog, I would still talk to him, but I would move things at a much slower pace than usual to see where his head is at.

    You might be a sweet soul underneath your blogging persona…or not. Is this my rationalization hamster running overtime or what?

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  10. on April 5, 2010 at 11:42 am tunacanman

    I’m just a boy trying to figure it all out.”

    isnt that a slipup?

    man would be better…

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  11. on April 5, 2010 at 11:42 am Evan

    Roissy, or CR, or whatever–did you ever watch Rocko’s Modern Life? Remember this guy’s name?

    Not that I’m complaining. Nice work if you can get it. One note: it is of course the subject of your writing and the implied mastery that I’m sure intrigues more than the fact that you’re a blogger.

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  12. on April 5, 2010 at 11:44 am tunacanman

    I’m guessing that this is not real time, or that it refers to another blog – or writer and you are about to teach us even more…

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  13. on April 5, 2010 at 11:45 am Anonymous

    Islam, schmislam… they’ve got Man Love Thursday (“Squeal like a pig, boy!” in Arabic) and have “temporary marriages” for causal (hetero) sex.

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  14. on April 5, 2010 at 11:46 am Jules Verne

    Anonymous,

    You did comment on his blog.

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  15. on April 5, 2010 at 11:48 am sharpcool

    I haven’t even finished reading this yet because this had me cracking up:

    My laptop was in front of me, perched on my thighs. In between spurts of typing I reached to sip from a cup of dragon well green tea and to munch on toasted focacia with slices of brie. Because my balls weigh that of ten men, I am secure enough to write the previous sentence.

    After I read the “brie” sentence I was surprised you would write that, and you read my mind and wrote the next sentence.

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  16. on April 5, 2010 at 11:50 am Vincent Ignatius

    I rely mostly on status game. I need to move out of this comfort zone though if I really want to start pulling more.

    …I asked myself if I really wanted to date the kind of girl who would be intrigued by what I write on this blog.

    Of course. Someone who didn’t find this interesting would be unbearably boring.

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  17. on April 5, 2010 at 11:58 am PA

    Another time, same scenario — I try to shamelessly claim this blog as my own, but again I forgot I had clicked to another site just before a cute girl sat down next to me.

    I run my opener, she peers over intrigued, and asks “You are the GreatBooksForMen blogger?”

    Foiled by my lack of attention to detail once again. I had no choice but to say “Why, yes, I am Barbbabbs. Lolzlzlz.”

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  18. on April 5, 2010 at 12:04 pm Laura

    I haven’t read anything on this blog that would prevent me from dating you, it might be fun. It seems like your ego needs a lot of stroking, though.

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  19. on April 5, 2010 at 12:08 pm Thursday

    Another topic of great interest to me and I’ve seen indication here that it is to others as well is the high and relatively difficult art of maintain multiple simultaneous LTRs aka MLTR’s.

    It seems to me that doing this requires that you have very high status beyond just having game OR you don’t do much else besides picking up women (e.g. you’re a pick up guru).

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  20. on April 5, 2010 at 12:11 pm lurker

    Zunder’s prop for seduction? A pair of sheep shears.

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  21. on April 5, 2010 at 12:33 pm Miley Cyrus

    I smell a late April Fool’s.

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  22. on April 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm Brett Stevens

    From where I sit, if you’d date any woman who could not accept what’s posted on this blog, you’ve crossed over to the dark side. It’s science to tell the truth; it’s bigotry to assume that all women are stupid can’t face the truth. You may have found one with potential. Now the real question is: if she’s quality, would you be able to handle commitment?

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  23. on April 5, 2010 at 12:57 pm sdaedalus

    The show must go on. Without missing a beat I replied
    “Why, yes. I am Obsidian.”

    PA – only brilliant.

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  24. on April 5, 2010 at 12:59 pm PGG

    I’ve never told a girl I do game before sex, but most of them find out about it afterward. The psyhcology of relationships and personality are great conversational topics, girls generally love talking about that shit, and they pretty quickly figure out that I understand women more than every other guy they’ve met.

    I don’t point them to my web site (maybe I should), but they know I’m a player and still come back for more.

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  25. on April 5, 2010 at 1:21 pm Chi-town

    What is the point of this post? To me it says attraction has got not a thing to do with a man’s politics.

    If you deliver it correctly, you can probably tell a girl you think she would make a great slave girl.
    If I were single, I would like to try it. I would say, “You know, you would make a great slave girl.”.
    I would expect her to say “Why is that”.
    You would say, “you would make me rich. ..unless there is a reason I should keep you. I like surprises”

    You imply lower value, appeal to her vanity and disqualify yourself by selling her.

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  26. on April 5, 2010 at 1:38 pm Ed

    You do have some balls.

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  27. on April 5, 2010 at 1:54 pm greenlander

    Roissy, you made me laugh so hard. Thanks!

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  28. on April 5, 2010 at 1:55 pm Cauthon

    Off-topic, but I think it will be popular on this forum.

    I got suckered into watching “Ghosts of Girlfriends Past” recently. It’s a typical chick-flick, but Michael Douglas’s character is absolute gold.

    “The power of a relationship lies with whoever cares less.”

    Footnote: About halfway through, the girl I was watching this with goes, “Matthew McConaughey is HOT in this movie.” His character had done nothing but pump and dump attractive girls. Exhibit one quadrillion for the power of preselection.

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  29. on April 5, 2010 at 2:24 pm Default User

    @PA
    Strange coincidence. Only the other day I was sitting in a trendy tea house (coffee is so last decade). I was checking comments on my blog.

    This very cute young thing sat down and spying my screen asked “Default User?” I barely looked up and with an air of alpha indifference asked “whose asking?”

    Of course she was soon under my spell. It was a long evening but I never did get to check those comments.

    The next morning she admited that she was afraid I might have been Renegade or Obsidian.

    I never did catch her name.

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  30. on April 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm Trouble

    Focaccia? Did you give up the paleo eating?

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  31. on April 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm Bhetti

    PA: I laughed out loud!

    Imagine some SWPL trying to copy The Obsidian’s inimitable swagga.

    Doug: What I discovered recently — during the course of the task you set me, Professor sir — is this page.

    Apparently a discomfort with polygamy in Westernised Arabs and West Arabia (but not affecting the Gulf) can be traced to a feminist movement, who tried to prove that ” polygamy is against the spirit and the actual wording of the Koran”. Since this is grouped with a battle against the veil, I assume trying to prove both of these was a subservience to Western values.

    What might also interest you is that these early feminists wanted to fight against this:

    In another 1898 article, exploring the social and psychological evils of granting men unlimited power to divorce, Shajarat al-Duff strikes an unusual chord: “Fear of divorce may distort a woman’s character and mind, drive her to conspire against her husband, and treat him as she would treat a wicked enemy rather than a loved companion. Woman in reality may find it necessary to use tricks and games to satisfy her husband at all cost, because she fears him as she would fear a totally untrustworthy person. She tries to be a shrewd enemy to an adversary who is, forever, hanging the threat of divorce over her head.”

    A striking contrast to the current Western situation with divorce.

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  32. on April 5, 2010 at 2:33 pm Chuck

    [editor: every male endeavor has female groupies. status is not an absolute, but a property relative to the waking death the masses call living.]

    this is true. even waiters with high status in their particular restaurant are able to pull really hot chicks strictly on the basis of their relative status. the problem is, with waitering and with blogging, your status – what little you might have – is confined only to those women who are in that sphere of influence.

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  33. on April 5, 2010 at 2:33 pm maurice

    I asked myself if I really wanted to date the kind of girl who would be intrigued by what I write on this blog.

    seriously?

    I recall once before (new readers check the “Anti-Cockblock” post from last year) that you actually mentioned you wrote a blog in a generically similar situation. Didn’t get a chance to get to the topic of the blog though. Or, rather, I don’t actually remember now if you did.

    Anonymity being a somewhat malleable concept in the Internet age, looks like you’re OK, in certain contexts and with certain people, with being known as the the author of this blog. Cool. People who have way less talent and insight than you make good livings from conveying game info, often in a more formulaic (= worse) way. Why not? To readers of this blog or blogs like it that’s definitely high status. And a pretty clear litmus test for any prospective females.

    @PA – very funny.

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  34. on April 5, 2010 at 2:42 pm Doug1

    Bhetti-

    Yeah I’ve recently come across references to this early Arab first wave (or by Western terms half wave) feminism, centered mostly in Egypt from what I’ve seen. Still British colonial Egypt that is. Focus was as you say on freedom not to wear veils or other face coverings, and around divorce.

    Divorce and then they get the children in divorce and then rich support from men in divorce, and then rich support from men when women want divorce for whatever reason, he always must have done wrong (current Anglo America pass of feminism and the law now) seems everywhere to be the progression or wanted progression of feminism. From great male power to great female power, ultimately, in domestic relations, by force of law.

    Other things bolster this. E.g. men can no longer hit women for any reason, including threatening to for outright adultery, etc.

    I’ve become more convinced it has to be taken back to the roots, and left there, for family stability and the long stable parenting of children in high education complex societies.

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  35. on April 5, 2010 at 2:46 pm Ray Sawhill

    What happened between Roissy and Pupu? I must’ve missed a few postings …

    [editor: magic! pupu, take it away…]

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  36. on April 5, 2010 at 2:52 pm sdaedalus

    Strange coincidence. Only the other day I was sitting in a trendy tea house (coffee is so last decade). I was checking comments on my blog

    Default, you’ve missed the most important bit. What were you eating?

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  37. on April 5, 2010 at 2:59 pm Doug1

    PA–

    Yeah, I chuckled too.

    Roissy; Maurice–

    Maurice@Roissy

    I asked myself if I really wanted to date the kind of girl who would be intrigued by what I write on this blog.

    seriously?

    Two camps of girls here. The feminist haters who usually don’t last long but a few of whom come back from time to time.

    And then the girls who come to realize Roissy, if not exactly his taking it to the max personal hedonist and never stay long with anyone lifestyle for ever, has a whole lot of true and even revelatory things to say about girls and the guys they’re most sexually attracted to (as opposed to who they and their parents think would make the best most stable husbands), that have helped them understand a whole lot more about themselves.

    This later group is much larger and there’s a whole lot of appealing girls among them. Some very feminine ones, many of whom have been further encouraged away from feminism by Roissy and some commenters here. Yuum them.

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  38. on April 5, 2010 at 3:01 pm Bhetti

    maurice:
    Every girl would be intrigued by the contents of the blog despite herself. The question really is whether she has the sense to run away or perhaps the fibre to be truly disgusted, never to return again.

    I would think that a long-term roissy relationship that would last long or be truly intimate would involve introduction to the blog though.

    Can you be close to someone with hiding something that you devote so much time to?

    [editor: a bit of misconception from readers is how much time this blog actually consumes. i spend a few hours each sunday plowing through three or four posts for the upcoming week. considerably less than most guys spend watching football or video gaming on the weekends.]

    Doug:
    Also recently seeing this paragraph in The Times made me a little less despairing about ignorance of mainstream opinion:

    Mind you, I’m hardline about this. I’d go right back to fault divorces, whereby the blame for the breakdown of the marriage is squarely put, if appropriate, with one party or another. That way, a man whose wife leaves him for someone else, or a woman whose husband makes off with a younger mistress, can have the betrayal, and that’s what it is, taken into account by the courts. The whole concept of a no-fault divorce is, in most cases, a cod in the Irish sense, a weaselly concession to our unwillingness to attribute blame to anyone, for anything.

    Although the woman says some other things that are a mystery to me.

    The published comments on it are also interesting.

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  39. on April 5, 2010 at 3:16 pm sdaedalus

    For those of you not versed in Hiberno-English, “cod” (an expression beloved of James Joyce) means a trick. It comes from a similar sounding Irish word.

    To cod=to have someone on, to wind them up.

    SDaedalus, when telling tall tales as a child, was often told by her elders and betters to “stop codding them”

    It is also used to refer to people e.g. “he is a cod”

    There is a Dublin dish called coddle, which SDaedalus used to think was made out of cods, but is apparently unconnected.

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  40. on April 5, 2010 at 3:17 pm maurice

    @abelard, heloise- sure, agreed, and to doug’s latter category the author of the blog could not help but be fascinating. but @bhetti, you don’t seem to admit to the possibility that a girl of quality would stick around? aren’t you exhibit A for that?

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  41. on April 5, 2010 at 3:19 pm The G Manifesto

    The best Game part:

    “So, if you’re such an expert on dating, why are you still single?”

    “The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* I still be single?”

    Excellent way to answer a question.

    Her: “Why are you wearing a Custom Suit?”

    You: “The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* I be wearing a Custom Suit?”

    Her: “Why are you smoking so much?”

    You: “The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* I be smoking so much?”

    Her: “Why do you all the bartenders know you?”

    You: “The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* all the bartenders know me?”

    Her: “Why is the cab stopping at your house?”

    You: “The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* we stop at my crib?”

    Her: “Why are you rolling up a joint of the Chronic?”

    You: “The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* I be rolling up a jay of the Chronic?”

    Her: “Why are you undoing my bra?”

    You: “The better question would be: Why *wouldn’t* I be undoing your bra?”

    And so on.

    – MPM

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  42. on April 5, 2010 at 3:22 pm Welmer

    Well, your blog is sexier than mine. 🙂

    It has some pickup utility there.

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  43. on April 5, 2010 at 3:35 pm Bhetti

    maurice: As in, it would be unwise to go out with the man especially if you ultimately want a family.

    roissy: Half an hour a weekday, I thought. But right, each post takes half an hour-ish so if you do them all at one go.

    This blog doesn’t matter to you, doesn’t expose any important of your psyche…? As in, isn’t it an important part of you?

    [editor: it’s a hobby, albeit one that is red in pen and key stroke. like any fun hobby, choosing to talk or not talk about it with lovers won’t much impact my psyche, or the dynamic between us. the important part of me travels with me wherever i am, blog or no blog. allowing for the personally advantageous politics of hewing to social niceties, my essence infuses everything i do. the blog could disappear tomorrow and it’d be no skin off my nose. now if i were making money off this enterprise, that would change my emotional calculation somewhat. too late for adsense?]

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  44. on April 5, 2010 at 3:37 pm PA

    What happened between Roissy and Pupu?

    A chance look at this blog’s early comment threads made me wonder… what happened between Roissy and Rina?

    [editor: a point of note: most of the “behind the scenes” guests of the chateau who know the proprietor through the blog don’t make appearances in this blog’s comments, unless they are trying an end run around the gracious host with anon trickery. now whether their radio silence is because of fear, love, indifference, or hate is something only i, and they, could know.]

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  45. on April 5, 2010 at 3:42 pm maurice

    @bhetti – ah, but you’re neglecting the “i can CHANGE! him” trope which is prevalent in the female of the species.

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  46. on April 5, 2010 at 3:47 pm sdaedalus

    I’ve said it before – if you try to change someone you’re attracted to, you lose the attraction. Also, people don’t react well to being changed. This lady sounds smart enough to know that the decision to be made is whether she wants to take on our protagonist as he is, not as he should be.

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  47. on April 5, 2010 at 3:49 pm sdaedalus

    Sorry Maurice if I was a bit abrupt, it was not intentional, I can be a bit bossy at times.

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  48. on April 5, 2010 at 3:50 pm Bhetti

    roissy: If I recall correctly, some of the commentary were asking you for a mere paypal button.

    [editor: my agent was napping.]

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  49. on April 5, 2010 at 3:56 pm Bhetti

    maurice: females are so dumb sometimes.

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  50. on April 5, 2010 at 3:56 pm maurice

    @sdaed – of course she is. no question. who am i codding? just playing devil’s advocate.

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  51. on April 5, 2010 at 3:59 pm sdaedalus

    Devil’s advocate lol. And you used codding in the correct sense. Very good.

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  52. on April 5, 2010 at 4:01 pm Tupac Chopra

    Schmoe:

    Past experience with Pupu tells you what? That stalker-chicks are secretly crazy?

    That girl is NOT Pupu.

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  53. on April 5, 2010 at 4:09 pm maurice

    @tupac, roissy – pupu is the opposite of a stalker. she allures with mystery and zen-like commentary. she even had the chance to come out and meet us at an art museum event, but …refused.

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  54. on April 5, 2010 at 4:29 pm Pupu

    @Ray Sawhill

    “What happened between Roissy and Pupu? I must’ve missed a few postings …

    [editor: magic! pupu, take it away…]”

    When the moment like this one comes, Pupu would say “it is really nice to finally meet you.”

    [editor: followed by a naughty squeeze of me left buttock, i daren’t say!]

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  55. on April 5, 2010 at 4:33 pm me me me

    PA-that was soooo funny!

    Roissy hooked up with Pupu? What the friggity froo froo is up with that?

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  56. on April 5, 2010 at 4:46 pm Doug1

    Bhetti—
    You quote the Times

    That way, a man whose wife leaves him for someone else, or a woman whose husband makes off with a younger mistress, can have the betrayal, and that’s what it is, taken into account by the courts.

    I don’t remotely trust the female centric and drag it out intended divorce bar nominated family court judges to be fair. There would have to statutory standards.

    What feminists have done is give the kinds of divorce awards to women that they previously only got with egregious male fault, and in fact improved from there what with half of what he’s earned during the marriage no matter how great, which was never the legal division until 2nd stage feminism put it there in America and then Britain, and with much higher child support amounts that include a stealth alimony particularly in America, and gotten that for all divorces, including the woman just decides to go out and cheat on her husband and dare him to impoverish himself to “stop her” kind, including by perhaps “going black” if she feels like it, or going for poor bad boys she’d never have married, or both. Or not doing it openly but starting to do it stealthily while proclaiming herself bored. Because after all what’s the real diff if she is caught? Not much. Little marginal things in the judge’s discretion if he cares and chosen feminist judges often or usually won’t care.

    So what feminists would want now is EVEN MORE punitive anti-male divorce awards in the case of male abandonment, if you can believe that, while regarding the current no fault divorce awards as properly the result if the parties are equally at fault, which feminists will strive mightily to prove is “really” the case in all cases where the woman might appear to be, certainly in the she’s bored majority of currently given divorce reasons. So in male abandonment cases maybe they want 2/3 of HIS MONEY and/or lifetime alimony as a matter of course, never mind women can work at all levels now just as men can and if an individual woman’s choices have made the level at which she can work limited, that’s her responsibility just as it is when that’s the case for a male.

    In cases of clear female fault, yeah maybe they’ll agree to some diminution of female property settlement or alimony rights.

    That’s an outrage but what feminists will fight tooth and nail to get, after first fighting tooth and nail against bringing back fault divorces.

    Oh and it’s my firm belief that simple male adultery, not accompanied by abandoning emotionally or sexually or in other ways a wife who’s kept herself attractive for her age and wanting to have sex with her husband, should not be fault. It’s first wave feminism that made it divorce actionable with loss of children and alimony required fault for the first time, as opposed to being a sin he should repent of. But good luck with that for all of us in hyper feminist America. Well maybe if it’s in a prenup we could get that recognized.

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  57. on April 5, 2010 at 4:48 pm D. Ray Morton

    Fantastic post.

    After all I’ve read on this blog, I’d never have pegged you as a salsa dancer. But fantastic post.

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  58. on April 5, 2010 at 4:49 pm Doug1

    maurice

    @bhetti – ah, but you’re neglecting the “i can CHANGE! him” trope which is prevalent in the female of the species.

    This trope is invoked nearly exclusively by females to argue to parents and friends that the alphaish player can be tamed and made more stable by her, and rarely to argue that the steady edd can be made more exciting by her. The later sometimes appears in literature and the arts, written by male betas no doubt, but I’ve never seen it in life myself. Well perhaps some lip service or even attempts to help a good male friend re: other girls, but no actual love commitment on that basis.

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  59. on April 5, 2010 at 4:53 pm Laura

    Honestly I think Roissy may have quite a few female readers. There are some hard truths for women on this site, but there are also a few for men too. It not like either sex has the upper hand.

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  60. on April 5, 2010 at 4:58 pm sdaedalus

    Pupu=a class act (hiberno-english for really really great)

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  61. on April 5, 2010 at 4:59 pm Doug1

    PA

    A chance look at this blog’s early comment threads made me wonder… what happened between Roissy and Rina?

    Yeah. Something happened there me thinks too. I could say why, but not in the mood to give the evidence. Not certain but likely.

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  62. on April 5, 2010 at 5:03 pm Brant

    ‘status is not an absolute, but a property relative to the waking death the masses call living’

    4 rill

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  63. on April 5, 2010 at 5:05 pm Pupu

    Hi
    U U U
    No worries
    Yet
    😉

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  64. on April 5, 2010 at 5:06 pm me me me

    Pupu is officially my enemy! Pupu I challenge you to a duel. Choose your weapon wisely for you’re about to get the biggest beating of your life.

    Pupu is a moo cow!

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  65. on April 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm PA

    At first I regretted sending that comment, thinking it’s bad form to get too much into “real life” and bring up names, but the comment went to moderation and then it appeared, so I guess it’s a no biggie.

    As I recall, Michael Blowhard had a glowing post about her on his blog 2 or so years back, at which point she made it private-access only, I think because of a flood of rude and unwanted visitors/commenters.

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  66. on April 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm PA

    (that was in response to Doug1)

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  67. on April 5, 2010 at 5:10 pm Laura

    Doug,
    I can imagine it is very difficult for a judge to sift through a divorce. I do know of some men who have been royally screwed in a divorce settlement, but I also know a few where assets seemed to have been divided up fairly. It does seem that when the wife brings in a good income herself the husband has less financial obligation to her in the event of a divorce. I do think the courts are being more fair to men now.

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  68. on April 5, 2010 at 5:11 pm Cannon's Canon

    my personal pride is merely a fleeting persuasion that i am both mencius moldbug and the g manifesto.

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  69. on April 5, 2010 at 5:14 pm PA

    There was a beer commercial back during the early 90s that was marketed to working-class men. It showed a new sport: divorce-lawyer wrangling, in which cowboy-types were lassoing nerdy-looking lawyers in a rodeo ring.

    The ABA made a stink about the ad “inciting hatred” and I believe for that reason it was pulled.

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  70. on April 5, 2010 at 5:14 pm Jacko

    This is way off topic, but I was perusing some of your older posts and decided to check out the Dating Market Value for Women. I agreed with the vast majority of your observations. It’s true, we men do not care what career women have, or how many sports trophies they have collected on their mantle. But there was one item made me wince. I’m not so sure anal sex elevates a woman’s dating market value. I’m no expert, it’s just my opinion. I’m not for it nor am I against it, I’m neutral. If a woman likes it, I would have no problem doing as she wishes. If she doesn’t roll like that, I don’t hold it against her.

    Question: Are you a stickler on the anal rule, or in hindsight, would you go back and edit that requirement?

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  71. on April 5, 2010 at 5:18 pm Pupu

    Hey,
    u u u
    Watch out for the bullets!
    pu pu pu!

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  72. on April 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm Welmer

    […now if i were making money off this enterprise, that would change my emotional calculation somewhat. too late for adsense?]

    I don’t think you can advertise on a wordpress.com site — it’s against policy. You need to install the CMS on your own server.

    Honestly, I think you’d make good money off a book, and probably some decent supplemental ad income from a self-hosted site (around $500-1,000/month if your alexa stats are any indication).

    Only problem is that you’d have to learn how to manage the front-end yourself (unless you pay someone for a design — it’s worth it if you can afford it).

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  73. on April 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm Default User

    Pupu said:

    When the moment like this one comes, Pupu would say “it is really nice to finally meet you.”

    Surely, she would have her friend exclaim “Pupu thinks that is very nice to meet you.”

    Whether you or the friend would issue the naughty squeeze to Renegade’s left buttock, I cannot say.

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  74. on April 5, 2010 at 5:41 pm Doug1

    Pupu is a girly, probably E.Asian, scientist type me thinks. The belief seems to have arisen that she’s hot looking. Maybe someone’s seen her, or graven images of the true she.

    Pupu speaks generally in verse that makes the haiku form seems wordy.

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  75. on April 5, 2010 at 5:42 pm Tupac Chopra

    This girl is NOT Pupu.

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  76. on April 5, 2010 at 5:58 pm Doug1

    Laura–

    I couldn’t agree with you less. In fact I’ll go so far as to say this is just plain wrong:

    I do think the courts are being more fair to men now.

    You must not have read this blog long or you’d have read some of my lengthy and detailed exegisis on what a screw job divorce 2.0 has become for American men today, in a systemic, statutory way.

    Sure it’s better for men when women earn as much or nearly so as they, but they still face horendous levels of so called child support (really including a stealth alimony component esp. for higher male earners) on a percentage basis of after tax income, not capped at all even for very high income men. It’s not child support. It’s wife support.

    Further there is a large and growing trend lead as usual by California but also NJ, Mass and to an extent Conn. and other states to bring back more than fairly short transitional alimony for women that hadn’t been working for some time at the time of divorce, often three years or so, to considerably longer alimony and in the case of longer marriages lifetime alimony — even when she leaves him or has affairs she won’t stop, or has stopped sex with him for years.

    Men shouldn’t marry under American law today, until women agree with men to change those laws and do so, except conceivably to immediately have children, and then only with a prenup that mimics on breakup what would happen if they were living together, at least for breakup for anything other than male abandonment not due to female sexual abandonment of her man.

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  77. on April 5, 2010 at 6:03 pm maurice

    i thought pupu wrote once she is tall and thin. but not exclusive to doug’s guess. in my mind’s eye maybe something like tupac’s pic, but different.

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  78. on April 5, 2010 at 6:05 pm Welmer

    Doug1

    Pupu is a girly, probably E.Asian, scientist type me thinks. The belief seems to have arisen that she’s hot looking. Maybe someone’s seen her, or graven images of the true she.

    Pupu speaks generally in verse that makes the haiku form seems wordy.

    For all we know Pupu is a tranny who shaves his/her back.

    Even so, the image that comes to mind for me when I hear such a name is that of a shizi gou, i.e. shitzu.

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  79. on April 5, 2010 at 6:10 pm Tupac Chopra

    maurice:

    i thought pupu wrote once she is tall and thin. but not exclusive to doug’s guess. in my mind’s eye maybe something like tupac’s pic, but different.

    Yeah, she posted that pic a while back for its fashion sense. There was some chatter about whether it was really her or not. She says no, but similar.

    Welmer:

    For all we know Pupu is a tranny who shaves his/her back.

    True.

    But don’t wake me if I’m dreamin’, man.

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  80. on April 5, 2010 at 6:19 pm sdaedalus

    The Shi Tzu breed were favoured companion dogs of Emperors, being the only dogs allowed in the imperial palace (Chateau?)

    Sweet, playful and trusting, they also display qualities of devotion and adaptibility.

    SDaedalus’s gravatar (a much lower breed on the canine pecking order list & suburban rather than imperial in background) approves of the characterisation.

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  81. on April 5, 2010 at 6:33 pm maurice

    (a much lower breed on the canine pecking order list & suburban rather than imperial in background)

    Perfect for a tramp.

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  82. on April 5, 2010 at 6:36 pm sdaedalus

    Well I just trotted into that, didn’t I. I have to hand it to you Maurice, you are quick.

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  83. on April 5, 2010 at 6:44 pm Lupo

    @Laura: “I think Roissy may have quite a few female readers.”

    You are correct too:
    http://www.quantcast.com/roissy.wordpress.com

    36% of his readership according to quantcast.

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  84. on April 5, 2010 at 6:44 pm Ronin

    Roissy,

    “I admit that using my blog as proof of status to pick up girls is cheesy. One of my goals in writing this post was to show just how powerful raw status game can be for a man. There was very little in the way of calculated technique-based game as is commonly understood used in this pickup. Instead, I relied on the crutch of high status within my endeavor of choice”.

    I came across this link on your mate Roosh’s site which correlate with said subject.

    The Microframe Game
    http://nymag.com/news/media/47958/

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  85. on April 5, 2010 at 6:45 pm maurice

    Sweet, playful and trusting, they also display qualities of devotion and adaptibility.

    Sound like anyone you recently met? No wrinkly skin though.

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  86. on April 5, 2010 at 6:53 pm sdaedalus

    Sound like anyone you recently met? No wrinkly skin though

    I know I’m going to regret this, Maurice, but the Cava Tzu is a suburban/imperial mix.

    Maybe our respective gravatars could get together and we could split the litter of puppies.

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  87. on April 5, 2010 at 7:01 pm maurice

    @sdaedalus-

    Now you’re talking. e-love finally requited.

    I almost put a gravatar up last month, after more than a year of posting. Kind of a forbidding image though. Related to another forum. Not playful and beautiful like Lady so wouldn’t make for attractive puppies. But how delightful it would be to make them, if only virtually. And see them all gathered under the Christmas tree.

    Actually, now that I’m paying attention to the comment area for the first time in many many months, I realize have no idea how to add a gravatar. But it’s very late and I’d probably figure it out with more energy.

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  88. on April 5, 2010 at 7:12 pm Doug1

    Maurice–

    I once knew but have forgotten. Well I knew the mechanics but not good places to find gravitars.

    Default User used to give lessons. He may have written up how in the comments section of the “About” page here, as he has some html usages.

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  89. on April 5, 2010 at 7:12 pm sdaedalus

    Obviously I would need to consult my gravatar first

    however

    a man brave enough to put up a Shi Tzu as his gravatar

    on Citizen Renegade

    in response to a request from a female

    must be truly exceptional.

    (although cavrador puppies are even cuter than cava tzus

    Default User has flatly refused

    to put up a labrador as his gravatar, see

    http://defaultuserblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/the-death-of-mr-spikey/)

    If my gravatar likes the look of your gravatar we may be in business (cava tzus are a good financial risk for dog breeders at present – we can split the proceeds)

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  90. on April 5, 2010 at 7:16 pm sdaedalus

    Apologies

    the link to my foiled cavrador-breeding programme is actually

    http://defaultuserblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/the-death-of-mr-spikey/

    (I put in an extra bracket at the end by mistake)

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  91. on April 5, 2010 at 7:27 pm sdaedalus

    Sorry, second link wrong also, it is late here too

    If you click to this link, and scroll down through the comments, you will see the lovely labrador gravatar I wanted Default User to adopt, how could he have resisted this beautiful gravatar

    http://defaultuserblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/bedazzled/

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  92. on April 5, 2010 at 7:32 pm Bhetti

    Gravatars: http://en.gravatar.com/

    Trying to change a man must be the most painful process to ever attempt in any lifetime. The awful thing is you betatise him when you try it as a woman, if you succeed at all. And not in a good way. He loses what makes him attractive.

    Why pick a man who isn’t largely suitable in the first place? Well, we live in an age of permissiveness/diluted religosity and in a sense there’re limited options. Either its player or subservient male, without the balance traditional males would offer.

    Doug:
    Saying its okay for either partner to cheat as long as they don’t leave and other ameliorating conditions makes me nervous. Since it’s mostly men who manage that, it results in an imbalance of moral values which isn’t sustainable. I think making it mandatory to have a cooling off period plus some psychological guidance (targeted to deprogram a little; saw an article to that end in Psychologies magazine that I can’t find currently but which was sensible) might be useful, without banishing cheating as fault. Although if they explicitly agreed he could have extramarital activity discreetly and safely beforehand, I’d regard that as no fault.

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  93. on April 5, 2010 at 7:45 pm sdaedalus

    Trying to change a man must be the most painful process to ever attempt in any lifetime. The awful thing is you betatise him when you try it as a woman, if you succeed at all. And not in a good way. He loses what makes him attractive.

    Why pick a man who isn’t largely suitable in the first place? Well, we live in an age of permissiveness/diluted religosity and in a sense there’re limited options. Either its player or subservient male, without the balance traditional males would offer

    I don’t really see any solution to this myself, if the player/subservient male categorisation is absolute. No woman wants a completely subservient male.

    However there might be a little bit more hope if it were a sliding scale, and if the other party was towards the middle of the scale & appreciated the advantages of a LTR as outweighing the benefits of polygamy & was prepared to limit their polygamous instincts accordingly (I think this would be difficult to do for someone who was very alpha)

    I agree this does not still hold out very much hope for women who are exclusively attracted to Uber-Alphas unless those Uber Alphas have considerable motivation & strength of character.

    This would also only work if the woman concerned had the self-control to limit her hypergamous instincts (but hypergamy is also a sliding scale, and so is self-control)

    I do think the ability of women to control their hypergamous instincts is underrated (possibly even by women, to excuse themselves) It’s a bit like food, one can consider the consequences of eating and make a decision whether or not to partake accordingly. I really believe this. I get fed up of people saying they can’t stop themselves eating something, my goodness, would they eat it if they knew it was poisoned? No. Well then.

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  94. on April 5, 2010 at 7:52 pm sdaedalus

    In fairness there probably is a limited class of women who would specifically like a completely subservient male, but I doubt very much they read this blog.

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  95. on April 5, 2010 at 7:59 pm sdaedalus

    PS It surely is not coincidence that women have got both fatter and sluttier over the last couple of generations.

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  96. on April 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm Doug1

    Bhetti–

    Well I believe in the agreement beforehand route yes.

    Saying its okay for either partner to cheat as long as they don’t leave and other ameliorating conditions makes me nervous. Since it’s mostly men who manage that, it results in an imbalance of moral values which isn’t sustainable.

    I’m fully sexist on the relative gravity of female versus male cheating in marriage. This is something I’ve thought about and researched in all kinds of ways for decades. I think what I wrote on LSB’s last girlgame comment thread and Nova largely agreed with though coming from a different personal preference place, is true.

    I think female cheating is terribly grave by it’s very nature almost always and rules have to be based on that. It’s grounds for divorce and the threat of it a threatened unpunished male beating of her, in my opinion. One that the society should think she deserves, and got off lightly if that’s all that happens, a first time. As opposed to his leaving her. Now maybe sexually ignoring her for a period with the warning he’ll divorce her for grave cause, take the kids, and leave her with nothing but her own earnings and earnings ability if she can’t win him back would be better. Probably is better in the event with the beating a right and threat.

    The “imbalance of moral values” surrounding vastly different gravity of male versus female infidelity has indeed been sustained historically in all cultures and especially all civilizational ones around the world and historically, including in all the world religions. That is except for this feminist/cultural marxist one (and there’s plenty of resistance here by men to this feminist imposed legal and attempted cultural change).

    There are PLENTY, a huge number, of gender double standards which cut against men. Most do, or burden men more. Men have to work and make money, or generate it from their own wealth, to be regarded as fully men; for women money making work is optional and certainly always vastly less important to her worth. Men must be ready and willing to fight in wars to be fully men; women are generally sheltered from danger in war as much as possible, and always far more than men. Any female direct participation is always optional, save perhaps very rarely when utter civilizational immediate collapse is at hand, and even there it’s still a sort of strongly urged volunteerism. (E.g. Catheginian woman in highly active support functions during the final days of the Roman sack and genocide of it’s long arch enemy Carthage.)

    Women receive lesser sentences for the same crimes almost everywhere and are far more likely to get off entirely on the same evidence, save in some places for some narrow categories of sexual crimes. Women are rarely even charged with criminal conspiracy when they help their lovers or husbands commit crimes, while men doing the same amount of help for other men or their wives or girlfriends who are masterminding it always are, and in fact are often prosecuted as the lead criminal even when he isn’t. Huge double standard.

    I could go on and on.

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  97. on April 5, 2010 at 8:09 pm Tupac Chopra

    In fairness there probably is a limited class of women who would specifically like a completely subservient male, but I doubt very much they read this blog.

    Chic. Noir.

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  98. on April 5, 2010 at 8:10 pm Tupac Chopra

    PS It surely is not coincidence that women have got both fatter and sluttier over the last couple of generations.

    Good point.

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  99. on April 5, 2010 at 8:11 pm Tupac Chopra

    And Doug hits it out of the park re: double standards of male/female cheating.

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  100. on April 5, 2010 at 8:19 pm Hounddogg

    “I asked myself if I really wanted to date the kind of girl who would be intrigued by what I write on this blog.”

    In the words of Groucho Marx: “I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.”

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  101. on April 5, 2010 at 9:21 pm White Woman

    I’m fascinated with this blog. I like truth even when it’s wrapped in newspaper that was previously used to line a bird cage.

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  102. on April 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm me me me

    Oh Pupu, you melted all my rage away with your pu pu pu bullets! You are way too cute to be my enemy!

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  103. on April 5, 2010 at 9:51 pm White Woman

    Roissy likes Anal and has a new friend names Pupu? That’s rich.

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  104. on April 5, 2010 at 10:02 pm Welmer

    Tupac Chopra

    This girl is NOT Pupu.

    Damn that chick’s ugly.

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  105. on April 5, 2010 at 10:02 pm Antonio

    I’ve always gotten the “You certainly think highly of yourself.” line as a shit test.

    “I’m just a boy trying to figure it all out.” never came to mind as an answer. Its probably the false beta move and the right thing to do at the time.

    My previous answers have included:
    “I have good reason”
    “Yep”
    “Have I told you that I am humble too?”

    Each time it never stopped the poon flow… The poon must flow.

    I’ll try and use some beta answer next time like “oh? me? you think so?”

    Thanks

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  106. on April 5, 2010 at 10:22 pm Pupu

    pupu likez u u u
    totally

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  107. on April 5, 2010 at 10:25 pm xsplat

    Doug

    It’s grounds for divorce and the threat of it a threatened unpunished male beating of her, in my opinion. One that the society should think she deserves, and got off lightly if that’s all that happens, a first time.

    In SE Asia this would be deemed acceptable behavior by neighbors, family, and friends.

    Sometimes girls literally ask to be hit. They don’t say “please hit me”, they instead talk about going out with another guy. If she is living with you at the time, she is asking to be hit.

    Violence is not always a crime. Sometimes it’s just doing your job.

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  108. on April 5, 2010 at 10:36 pm xsplat

    Antonio

    “I’m just a boy trying to figure it all out.” never came to mind as an answer. Its probably the false beta move and the right thing to do at the time.

    My previous answers have included:
    “I have good reason”

    Yep. Agree and amplify.

    False modesty may help in group social situations, but with girls I’ve never found any reason to be anything but honest in self assessment. I let my narcissism and arrogance shine. They can hear the enthusiasm in my voice, and see how I truly believe how incredible I am. Rather than being off putting, it functions as social self-proof.

    I haven’t a hint of humility.

    Of course bluster is just reverse humility. But if you are giving an enthusiastic self assessment, no need for false humility. Pride is fine. It’s funny because it’s true.

    Oh – I also work it in reverse. I’ll call myself handsome. Which always makes the girl break out laughing. But I say it with bold confidence, which I expect acts as a hypnotic suggestion. At the least it conveys boldness.

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  109. on April 5, 2010 at 11:28 pm xsplat

    I’ve always gotten the “You certainly think highly of yourself.” line as a shit test.

    Sometimes the best way to pass a shit test is to re-frame. The simplest re-frame is silence. Or a smile. Her frame is that here is a riddle for you. Your frame is that nothing she says matters, and you ignore her.

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  110. on April 6, 2010 at 1:01 am Jacko

    @xplat,

    just curious, are you in Thailand? If you’d rather not say, no worries. I used to cruise all over that country, up and down. Lived in Udon for awhile, Bangkok, Phuket and Koh Chang. Top of the world, man. I still think about moving back.

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  111. on April 6, 2010 at 2:15 am maurice

    @sdaed-

    I know I’m going to regret this, Maurice

    e-LMR? ah, no, my Hibernian rose, you will not. Let’s make those virtual puppies. As soon as I can put up an avatar, which will be more like a forbidding stone statue than a labrador. Not Downey Jr, but still alpha. They will be both strong and attractive.

    Don’t be deceived by the impression that Default and I, your co-admirers, share certain puppy-like characteristics. If you admit this

    there might be a little bit more hope if it were a sliding scale, and if the other party was towards the middle of the scale & appreciated the advantages of a LTR

    then you concede an admixture of alpha and beta traits is best in a mate for a female. lesser alpha, greater beta, or whatever the term of art is around here.

    @default- sorry, read the other thread and realized I’m late to the love of sdaedalus. (i look at your blog once in a while but not usually the comments.) didn’t mean to rain on your parade, my friend. males display and females choose, i suppose, so you can’t blame my e-attraction, but I wasn’t aware of the history.

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  112. on April 6, 2010 at 2:57 am xsplat

    Doug, here is a real life example of exactly what you are talking about . A man is unjustly accused of battery, and is barred from his house for a minimum of 3 months.

    What the law refuses to recognize is not only principles of fairness. They refuse to recognize that the nature of women is not equal to the nature of man. That the nature of women is to use the system as an instrument of vicious cruelty in the name of her self interest.

    A women spurned, like a woman ready to move on, is a wild animal that in no way should be entrusted with legal powers. Domestic violence laws are stacked against men, not just because they are stacked against men. But because the nature of women is to abuse just laws.

    Men don’t do that to anywhere near the same extent.

    I’d love to see that openly discussed, with facts and figures and statistics and studies, and then have the law adjusted accordingly.

    Sorry, girls, you can’t handle just laws, so we have no choice but to make them biased against you. You like too much.

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  113. on April 6, 2010 at 3:03 am xsplat

    But of course that’s not going to happen. So all any man who values his self interest can do is to avoid marriage, and to hide his finances from both his mate and authorities.

    I know it’s hard enough just to have savings, never mind to hide them. But a backup plan and an escape route is becoming more of necessity than a luxury in life now. For myself I keep several businesses, and even more than one abode, in different cities. And know how to get a new girl if need be. Rob the girls of the ability to rob you – be able to pack and run on short notice. You should always have a usb stick hidden on your person, and charge card on you that you can charge up from any internet cafe. Always be able to travel with what’s on your back and make a new start. Don’t give em the ability to fuck you over, and you won’t be complaining on how fucked the system is. Avoid the system entirely.

    It’s impossible to live inside the system anymore, while keeping any sane amount of risk.

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  114. on April 6, 2010 at 3:03 am xsplat

    It’s become safer to live outside the system than in it.

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  115. on April 6, 2010 at 3:05 am xsplat

    Hey – where did my link go? Here http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2010/reader5845.htm

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  116. on April 6, 2010 at 3:08 am sdaedalus

    Really Maurice, all this e-rivalry is exactly why I did not want to get into e-flirting in the first place, it all gets too complicated. Why not just keep it simple and enjoy the conversation?

    PS my gravatar is not overcome with enthusiasm at the thought of mating with a statute. I did try and point out various advantages but she sees the absence of warm flesh as a bit of a problem. Admittedly Default User’s Gravatar was equally unsuitable, albeit for different reasons.

    PPS: it is most unfair to Default User to bring him into this.

    PPPS: possibly a mix of alpha and beta traits but certainly the ability to value the relationship enough to exercise a certain degree of self-control.

    I appreciate that this may get easier the lower down the scale one is, due to lack of opportunity, however this is not invariably the case, Tiger Woods is hardly an uber alpha. One would like to know that one’s partner would not dump one if they won the Lottery or had some other form of success (this may actually be more likely to occur in the case of a lower beta suddenly elevated to faux-alpha status than an alpha who has always had a high success rate with women)

    Anyway there are other things in a relationship too not sufficient in themselves but necessary such as the ability to have a conversation without being bored to death. Sometimes this can be forgotten about, the assumption being that just any alpha (or greater beta for the lower hypergamy woman) would do unfortunately it does not really work this way for SDaedalus.

    PS it would be so nice, to be de-moderated at some stage, I have seen the last 10 comments go into moderation, haven’t I been punished enough, it is hard to hold any kind of conversation when under moderation.

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  117. on April 6, 2010 at 3:10 am sdaedalus

    I suppose I should say thank you for the advance de-moderation, although it means that I have now made an eejit of myself with the last paragraph of my previous email completely unnecessarily.

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  118. on April 6, 2010 at 3:10 am sdaedalus

    Previous email should read previous comment.

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  119. on April 6, 2010 at 3:16 am xsplat

    Even when I go to the gym I carry on my person all that I need to move on and start life in a new location. I’d experience just a blip of inconvenience.

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  120. on April 6, 2010 at 3:29 am sdaedalus

    “know”
    in the sense of “know one’s partner would not dump one if they won the lottery (or attained other worldly success”
    means, I suppose
    “have a certain degree of confidence that”
    given that no one can really “know” another person, particularly their future actions
    but sometimes one has to take a certain leap of faith
    but unless one is an incurable optimist
    which never happens over the age of 21
    (younger women, together with the other charms they hold for the Alpha male
    are more inclined to blindly trust in fate)
    there must be some rational basis for so doing

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  121. on April 6, 2010 at 4:22 am maurice

    @sdeadalus- point taken about the e-flirting. lest there be any doubt, this is meant to be a pleasant verbal game, and in no way an actual advance. So don’t be skittish about Skittles. let it all hang out online, as it were, for enjoyment and possibly as mental practice for the r-w.

    (Did you actually have a packet of Skittles on Easter, btw? And did you think of me when eating them?)

    And I really like Default, and was sincere in my comment. I claim no e-stamp on you, and I’m sure Default is wise and seasoned enough in the ways of the Internet to have the same basic attitude. Plus you directed us all to that link.

    All of which makes me realize, upon reflection, that my apology above was a little silly. In the r-w, not hitting on someone else’s girl is a serious point of male honor. Even though that doesn’t apply here, as noted, I guess a certain amount of projection from one plane to the other was somehow going on. I had just woken up so was a bit foggy.

    Stone statue? Even a stone statue of a God-King? Well then I’ll have to revisit my idea for a gravatar. Sdaedalus likes warm flesh. Good to know. (Don’t we all?) 😉

    Your other comments have mainly to do with the nature and importance of character in a mate. I’ll note only that I agree with much of what you have written, and that this

    (younger women, together with the other charms they hold for the Alpha male
    are more inclined to blindly trust in fate)
    there must be some rational basis for so doing

    probably has mainly to do with the biological/hormonal urge toward optimal pair bonding that is strongest at that age, and not yet tempered by experience.

    Warm-flesh gravatar suggestions most welcome. Our future puppy progeny depends heavily on this decision.

    @xsplat-

    A women spurned, like a woman ready to move on, is a wild animal that in no way should be entrusted with legal powers. Domestic violence laws are stacked against men, not just because they are stacked against men. But because the nature of women is to abuse just laws.

    astonishingly wise, yet totally politically incorrect. wish this could be said out loud in the corridors of judicial power somehow.

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  122. on April 6, 2010 at 6:18 am sdaedalus

    Did you actually have a packet of Skittles on Easter, btw? And did you think of me when eating them?)

    Yes I did. I thought of all of you guys.

    probably has mainly to do with the biological/hormonal urge toward optimal pair bonding that is strongest at that age

    Possibly, but I’d say is more due to the same factor that makes young men of that age more inclined to go off to war than their older compatriots – belief that one is immune from the viscissitudes of fate.

    warm-flesh gravatar suggestions most welcome. Our future puppy progeny depends heavily on this decision

    I think it would probably help if your gravatar was the same species (normally a pre-requisite of reproduction)

    If you feel that a Shi Tzu is inconsistent with the Roissysphere miasma, details of Alpha dogs can be found here

    http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/alphadog.htm

    the nature of women is to abuse just laws

    Quite possibly true, but isn’t it also possible for a woman to appreciate that revenge is ultimately self-destructive, karma’s a bitch, it’s best to control those instincts & move on. We all feel angry from time to time, but it is possible to appreciate the wisdom of not acting on that anger, particularly if this hurts others, and ultimately ourselves. I agree though that in order to realise this one does have to admit one’s weaknesses.

    Have to get back to work now, I’m afraidl.

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  123. on April 6, 2010 at 7:46 am Anonymous

    Doug1 said: “The “imbalance of moral values” surrounding vastly different gravity of male versus female infidelity has indeed been sustained historically in all cultures and especially all civilizational ones around the world and historically, including in all the world religions. That is except for this feminist/cultural marxist one (and there’s plenty of resistance here by men to this feminist imposed legal and attempted cultural change).”

    You cheat on your wife and she divorces you, getting the kids plus alimony and childs support. Your wife cheats on you and she divorces you, getting the kids plus alimony and child support. (Yes, apparently, you were are dog for cheating on her or making her so unhappy she had to get pregnant by another guy.) This sh*t needs to change.

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  124. on April 6, 2010 at 8:47 am Yellow Fever « Misadventures of Vincent Ignatius

    […] mainland Chinese girl (Wenzhounese specifically) I picked up through a group I founded on campus.  Status truly is king.  I moved very fast with Jia-li.  I took her out on Friday night and the night ended with her […]

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  125. on April 6, 2010 at 9:02 am anoukange

    “[editor: makes sense. a bass player in a band, while not at the top of his hierarchy’s status heap, ”

    –unless, of course, it is said bass player’s band and he is the main music writer and he chooses to play bass but also plays guitar, sings and arranges the music, a la Sir Paul McCartney. Then he is a super, under the radar alpha, and it takes quite a skill to lasso him and keep him. Alphas who bring it in ways that are not in your face and that let their talent do the talking are simply THE most seductive guys there are.

    To the author: As a woman, I would never hold your blog against you, you are a fantastic writer who happens to blog. There’s a difference between you and the rest of us. We blog, you write. You paint with words and you do it damn well. I’ll say it again, publish your blog in soft-cover. It would become a cult classic, I’m sure of it.

    Also, I am jealous of your Jennifer Connelly look-a-like, the blue eye/dark hair combo is my own (delicious) weakness. Lucky bastard.

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  126. on April 6, 2010 at 9:17 am Default User

    maurice said:

    I’m late to the love of sdaedalus.

    Better late than never.

    males display and females choose, I suppose, so you can’t blame my e-attraction

    It is a dog-eat-dog world. I am prepared to let sleeping dogs lie. You can flirt here but not on my patch. *growl*

    PS
    I look forward to seeing your new gravatar. Or have I been sold a pup on that promise?

    sdaedalus sweetly implored:

    All this e-rivalry is exactly why I did not want to get into e-flirting in the first place, it all gets too complicated. Why not just keep it simple and enjoy the conversation?

    But e-flirting is fun. Any rivalry is more like two puppies playing, all growls and barks, but no real bites.

    I have to go. I need to dig up a bone that I buried earlier.

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  127. on April 6, 2010 at 9:19 am Gregory Magarshak

    It’s been a while since I posted here.

    Self-aggrandizement is a good tag for this post. Listen, Roissy … so much happened, and what about all the times you DIDNT get the chick? Focusing on what works is important, but it’s also important for people to have a realistic understanding of WHY it works.

    In your case: you were on a couch, and she joined you and wasn’t going anywhere. This gave you a perfect opportunity to start a conversation. Moreover she was engaged in an activity, and you could start with that. Only then did your status game come into play, but to be honest, if she liked you, any game would have worked at that point, as long as you conveyed an identity that would be engaging to her.

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  128. on April 6, 2010 at 9:52 am maurice

    @sdaedalus-

    Yes I did. I thought of all of you guys.

    Multiple Skittles men in your mind. Bought a package and thought of us! You are under the spell, a true denizen of this miasma. Deny it not, my love.

    belief that one is immune from the viscissitudes of fate.

    Yes, this is a feature of youth as well. In men, going off to war and the like is status-seeking and risk-seeking behavior that at root is intended to attract women. Who, in fact, are attracted. ev-psych and game 101. I suppose I was trying to say that these behaviors are more intense and extreme in youth because of a combination of hormonal peak and life inexperience. The former absolutely a part of nature’s design, to produce a next generation.

    Speaking of vicissitudes of fate: Has sdaedalus ever seen “Barry Lyndon” by Stanley Kubrick? Her fascination with things 18th-century Hibernian and male would probably make this a natural favorite. Ryan O’Neal, as a shallow cad in r-l himself, was perfectly cast in the lead role.

    (normally a pre-requisite of reproduction)

    Well, if on the Internet noone knows you’re a dog, then by extension you also don’t have to be one. We are talking about made-up, virtual puppies, so we could conceivably produce any kind of “Spore”-like creature we wanted. But that would be antithetical to the wit and warm feelings of e-seduction that are part of the verbal game. Plus it might make the e-puppies a little hard to love. So same-species and warm-flesh preference noted. I’ll look around for a suitable image. And then I need to figure out how to make it work.

    a woman to appreciate that revenge is ultimately self-destructive

    Hm. What to say about this, in a limited space? I’ll just say that (a) women are typically driven more by emotion than justice or logic, (b) the legal and judicial system imposes no such destruction, and indeed separates a woman’s behavior from its formerly destructive consequences, and (c) the rest of the hounds on the board should please forbear from attacking the lovely sdaeadalus, the future mother of my puppies.

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  129. on April 6, 2010 at 9:59 am xsplat

    Maurice, your e-flirting is e-failing. I think you’ve already received your e-feedback.

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  130. on April 6, 2010 at 10:03 am maurice

    @anouk- what about the post on the friend zone you promised?

    @default- ah, my friend, i knew you’d see things in the correct way. may the best dog win. 🙂 also, i have no female fans on this board, but you have chic noir who still talks about you all the time…

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  131. on April 6, 2010 at 10:08 am maurice

    @xsplat- nonsense. let us have some fun. a little goofy, i concede, compared to the more serious commentary here. but harmless.

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  132. on April 6, 2010 at 10:09 am White Woman

    sdaedalus said “Quite possibly true, but isn’t it also possible for a woman to appreciate that revenge is ultimately self-destructive, karma’s a bitch, it’s best to control those instincts & move on?”

    Yes, quite possible. When my former husband cheated repeatedly while professing to want to “work on our marriage”, I eventually kicked him out and moved on. I kept the drama low. Stopped responding to attempts by him to get me back in bed only to be cheated on again. No alimony, no house, minimal child support (much needed). Many years later, I’ve had the bittersweet satisfaction of being apologized to by him, (in no way instigated by me). I realize I am an exception in this area though and I’m appalled at the greedy grubbing ways of many members of the so-called “fairer sex”.

    Incidentally, I’m reading a book right now called “The Manipulated Man”. Might have read about it here. Copyright 1972 by Esther Vilar. Seems even in the ’70s there was a woman with sense speaking up. I only wish there had been more…

    Feminism is a scourge on society.

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  133. on April 6, 2010 at 10:27 am Anonymous

    jesus someone jam a cock in this sdaedalus’s mouth already and shut her the fuck up

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  134. on April 6, 2010 at 10:31 am sdaedalus

    @Maurice

    “Every dog must have his day”

    Jonathan Swift

    @White Woman

    I’m sure Swift would have had some interesting things to say about feminism.

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  135. on April 6, 2010 at 10:32 am sdaedalus

    Anonymous

    I am so sorry. I will be quiet now. I promise

    (you will all miss me though)

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  136. on April 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm maurice

    @sdaedalus- don’t be shooed away by one nasty comment, my love. the bitch gets her day too. (as in female dog.) your comments are very thoughtful and far from off-base, so comment away. and now to find a suitable gravatar.

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  137. on April 6, 2010 at 1:59 pm Anonymous

    im not a man daedalus, don’t flirt with me

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  138. on April 6, 2010 at 2:19 pm maurice

    dana? is that you? c’mon now, be nice.

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  139. on April 6, 2010 at 3:25 pm dana

    yeh my info got erased, hey what was your die fleidermaus whatever comment on another thread a while back? i read that and was like wtf

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  140. on April 6, 2010 at 3:30 pm maurice

    oh you made a reference to “Die Fledermaus” which was riddled with error. So I corrected it. Good thing you didn’t see my Wagner reference a few posts back.

    How are you? seems like you have been away lately. I enjoy your bracing and caustic posts, even if you are meaner to girls than you need to be. You’re not like us, we like ’em the way they are…! (Well, for the most part.)

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  141. on April 6, 2010 at 4:01 pm dana

    only thing i’ve ever said about die fleidermaus was ‘oo that’s what that character on The Tick was named after!”

    i’ve been lurking, kinda dull here ever since everyone broke up to separate blogs

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  142. on April 6, 2010 at 4:05 pm sdaedalus

    Hi Dana, sorry for flirting,

    I’m really not into girls, but I thought you were Le Chat in disguise,

    in the circumstances it would have been disrespectful not to.

    Let’s not fall out over Maurice.

    It’s not my style, to come in and try to steal the homecoming queen’s guy. I know when I’m outclassed.

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  143. on April 6, 2010 at 4:10 pm dana

    uh, ok

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  144. on April 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm sdaedalus

    Has sdaedalus ever seen “Barry Lyndon” by Stanley Kubrick? Her fascination with things 18th-century Hibernian and male would probably make this a natural favorite. Ryan O’Neal, as a shallow cad in r-l himself, was perfectly cast in the lead role.

    Bliss indeed, one of my favourite films, an arrow straight to my heart.

    So beautifully filmed, and Ryan O’Neal so perfectly cast to his weaknesses, that he didn’t even need to act (a blessing, because he can’t do so)

    There are a lot of Irishmen like Redmond Barry, possibly their ancestors had to evolve like that out of necessity, less justifiable today.

    In modern Ireland, Barry would be a property developer.

    Really, a fantastic film. I love Kubrick.

    I might do a post on it on my blog one of these days.

    The book on which it is based is also very good.

    I have a separate, sharper comment coming up clarifying the puppy parentage issue.

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  145. on April 6, 2010 at 4:37 pm maurice

    @dana- not sure i remember it that way, but of no importance. i agree that the “comment drain” to spinoff sites in the expanding roissysphere has left the home team with a lighter bench. however, this site is still like home to me. the writing and comment quality is still the best. or maybe it’s that i’m used to the same community of commenters that show up.

    [editor: i’ve noticed that comment quality has gone up lately. this is probably related.]

    @sdaed- dana was in no way flirting with you. she was totally sincere when she wanted to shut you up with a dick in your mouth. she’s a brilliant female misogynist, well read, politically astute, happily married to an alpha male, who gleefully attacks the female commenters here for any remarks she feels are stupid because she has no sexual interest in them. (not sure how long you have been lurking, but dana is one of the best commenters imho.) but this last bit is where i tell her she has to cut us males a little slack.

    so keep your comments coming, my love.

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  146. on April 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm sdaedalus

    @Maurice (who must surely have some Irish in him) wheedled

    You are under the spell, a true denizen of this miasma.

    yes, but spells can be broken. Tread softly.

    So same-species and warm-flesh preference noted. I’ll look around for a suitable image. And then I need to figure out how to make it work

    I’m really tempted to tell you to get the lads here to draw you a map, but I presume you’re referring to the technical difficulties of creating one’s gravatar rather than animal or human reproduction.

    the rest of the hounds on the board should please forbear from attacking the lovely sdaeadalus

    A nice thought (the implication that SDaedalus is a fox appeals to her vanity) but SDaedalus is well able to look after herself. If not welcome here, she will adjourn elsewhere (the victor is the one who decides the territory of the battle).

    But I think that any misunderstandings have been sorted out now. Although I have not had the pleasure of meeting Dana before, I have always had the greatest of respect and admiration for the courage she has shown on this blog. She would be a worthy opponent, but I’m sure neither of us would like to be gamed into indulging you guys’ fantasies with a bitch-fight.

    The future mother of my puppies

    Maurice as mentioned before I do not bark beg or live in a kennel in real life, nor (hopefully) am I a metaphorical dog either. This should read

    “the owner of the gravatar which may be the future mother of my gravatar’s puppies if she likes the look of him”

    Not as felicitously phrased, but more exact. Given your background, you know how precise terminology tends to murder language. However sometimes precision in relation to paternity is important in order to avoid unnecessary confusion and expense.

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  147. on April 6, 2010 at 4:54 pm maurice

    @sdaed- well i’d read your barry lyndon post, but i fear your ladylike claws on the puppy parentage issue. i’m afraid you plan to deconstruct my playful banter before the whole world. put me under a prim irish x-ray machine, which would not be pleasant for the future father of your e-puppies. so if you do make that post, do so with compassion. i know you have it in you.

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  148. on April 6, 2010 at 4:58 pm sdaedalus

    Dana was in no way flirting with you. she was totally sincere when she wanted to shut you up with a dick in your mouth

    Maurice, I know Dana was not flirting with me, I was making the point to her that I was not flirting with her either.

    As you will see from my previous comment I am familiar with Dana’s comments on this blog and have the greatest of respect for her. If her initial comment had been posted under her name I would have responded with more seriousness and less levity.

    I appreciate that I can get carried away and be irritating at times (although I have to say that no one has ever asked me to shut me up in quite that way before).

    I also appreciate that I have a tendency to overcomment and you are not helping this.

    I’m also conscious that our conversation is moving away from the topic of this thread and that this may be unfair given the quality of the post and the issues involved (which are important)

    If you would like to continue any off-topic conversation my email address is on my blog (click on “who is SDaedalus”)
    I really don’t want to hog this thread to the annoyance of the blogmeister and other commenters.

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  149. on April 6, 2010 at 5:14 pm sdaedalus

    sorry maurice that last comment may have come across as sharper than intended, no offence

    sorry everyone else, I will get out of your way now.

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  150. on April 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm Default User

    maurice reminded me:

    but you have chic noir who still talks about you all the time

    Yes, chic has loyally stuck with me through e-flirtations and disappearances.

    *default says hi chic*
    *somewhere in Internetland chic smiles*
    *possible dead faint*

    @sdaedalus
    e-Flirtation has always been part of the discussions here. They provide relief for the leaden seriousness that would otherwise rule. Many prefer that leaden seriousness, but please don’t change or scamper off. The occasional growl should be enough to keep the feral hounds at bay.

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  151. on April 6, 2010 at 5:30 pm sdaedalus

    Thank you Default but I have said all I have to say on this thread (both serious and light-hearted)

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  152. on April 6, 2010 at 5:37 pm Welmer

    sdaedalus

    The Shi Tzu breed were favoured companion dogs of Emperors, being the only dogs allowed in the imperial palace (Chateau?)

    Sweet, playful and trusting, they also display qualities of devotion and adaptibility.

    SDaedalus’s gravatar (a much lower breed on the canine pecking order list & suburban rather than imperial in background) approves of the characterisation.

    The shizi gou was indeed common in the Imperial Palace (Forbidden City), but I think it was mostly because the concubines liked them. Qing emperors like Kang Xi were Manchu warriors who surely didn’t have much use for the little dogs in the field or while on a campaign.

    Empress Dowager Cixi, however, was very fond of the little dogs.

    Having been raised with a couple of German shepherds, I have a hard time taking small dogs seriously.

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  153. on April 6, 2010 at 5:38 pm sdaedalus

    german shepherd=very alpha dog

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  154. on April 6, 2010 at 5:41 pm maurice

    @sdaed-

    I really don’t want to hog this thread to the annoyance of the blogmeister and other commenters.

    is anyone annoyed? other than dana and xsplat. i think the host is probably enjoying the exchange. you’re like a junior clio, and he loves clio. if i can hold your attention, so much the better. the thread is already cold because there’s another newer one, so we can write whatever we want.

    I’m really tempted to tell you to get the lads here to draw you a map, but I presume you’re referring to the technical difficulties of creating one’s gravatar rather than animal or human reproduction.

    very funny. yes the former. unless you would get special pleasure out of walking me through the map yourself.

    If not welcome here, she will adjourn elsewhere

    don’t be so thin-skinned, my love. comments here can be rough, and you’ve more than held your own. you’re a delightful presence on the board, puppies or no.

    I’m sure neither of us would like to be gamed into indulging you guys’ fantasies with a bitch-fight

    don’t be so sure. no prizes for predicting the victor though.

    Not as felicitously phrased

    well that’s the point isn’t it. if you know what i mean with a shorthand phrase, why muck it up with tedious linguistic precision? (actually i should talk here, as one of the more verbose and precise commenters.) you must be a lawyer or something. besides, it’s more fun to talk about us having puppies than our inanimate pixellated gravatars doing so. i already made the point that computerized images could be anything we want them to be, including stone statues or imaginary creatures, but you were fixated on warm flesh and DNA compatibility. Can you blame me for finding that more felicitous?

    that last comment may have come across as sharper than intended

    this is one way you differ from clio. she can be sharp but in a different way. you get a little carried away, a little more emotional. which makes you that much more appealing. just as prim and proper but less cold.

    do you really want me to e-mail you? i thought you owed me one from the easter thread, actually.

    p.s. why yes i do have some irish in me. very astute, my love.

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  155. on April 6, 2010 at 5:53 pm sdaedalus

    Maurice, you know that any readers of my blog are welcome to email me, that is why I have my email address up. I would prefer that they, rather than me, are the persons making initial email contact.

    I do feel I have over-commented a bit though. I know from experience when I can get annoying. I am new here and do not want to annoy or offend. It usually takes people a while to get used to me.

    Junior Clio is a big compliment.

    I was only teasing about the gravatar/commenter distinction, to get back for the collar thing previously.

    I just want to say that Xsplat has always been very courteous to me both on his own blog and on Citizen Renegade.

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  156. on April 6, 2010 at 6:24 pm maurice

    @sdaed- xsplat is annoyed with me, as he usually is, not with you. i think the e-flirting pisses him off, because he doesn’t see the point. his manner and style are far more direct.

    your sharp comments to me, that you seem to immediately regret, show you are enjoying the exchange even as you are mildly provoked by it. also – still carrying the collar thing around, eh? i had totally forgotten about it. note to self: carries grudges about jokey banter.

    and how do you know when you can get annoying? do people tell you? you’re not annoying me, for example. i mean, i am not the one who suggested a cock in the mouth. (OK, sorry, for bringing back that image. but your knowledge of the Prince Albert on the other thread suggests… well, a non-Clio-like absence of innocence, at the least.)

    anyway, write whatever you want. there are way worse commenters and way dumber things that have been put up on this board, than anything at all you have written. really.

    didn’t find a gravatar tonight after all, and now it’s time to go to sleep. good night my love.

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  157. on April 6, 2010 at 6:37 pm sdaedalus

    Oh dear, I knew I was going to get myself in trouble by my comment on the other thread. Please note my knowledge of the method of adornment discussed is purely theoretical, and not based on any actual visual experience outside the bounds of that shown on wikipedia (which was more than enough for both me and Ferdinand Bardamu both). I do often wonder however how far a man will go in the pursuit of peacocking. I hope Maurice that like Ferdinand you do not have bad dreams as a result.

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  158. on April 6, 2010 at 11:32 pm Aspiring2bAlphA

    Wow. Even cheesier when you use this post to continue gaming her.

    Fuck; foreshadowing if I ever saw it… what the fuck will this blog look like until you bed this chick now.

    I hope you’re just experimenting. Otherwise, get a life.

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  159. on April 6, 2010 at 11:38 pm Aspiring2bAlphA

    Here’s an observation:

    Why the fuck are the commenters concerned with Roissy’s relationships/sexual endeavors/whatever? If anything, this blog is for reference to your own life and game.

    Quit massaging his ego, supposed alphas; get your tongues out of Roissy’s asshole… dogs do that. You’re not dogs, are you?

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  160. on April 7, 2010 at 2:21 am Welmer

    sdaedalus

    german shepherd=very alpha dog

    Indeed. I also have a good deal of respect for the Kerry collies I encountered in An Daingean. Never knew those dogs could be so fierce. In fact, I saw one handle an entire herd of cattle all alone while his master leaned against the fence with a flask of poteen, and when I drove up the muddy road he fearlessly challenged the car.

    What a lucky man, I thought, to have such a dog.

    Here’s an example of a good, Irish bitch:

    RUBY

    The male dogs are all the more impressive.

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  161. on April 7, 2010 at 2:33 am sdaedalus

    Yes Welmer, and how clever to choose one with the typical Irish coloring – dark hair and blue eyes.

    Is the collie the elusive Good Alpha dog?

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  162. on April 7, 2010 at 3:42 am Laikastes

    [editor: i’ve noticed that comment quality has gone up lately. this is probably related.]

    What? Maurice and sdaedalus making up half of the comments for a post with their sickening recapitulation of Doug and Bhetti’s stupid fifth-grade e-flirting is evidence of an improvement in comment quality? Only Roosh’s recent idiotic sheep-fucker post rivals them in terms of sheer pointlessness and the gross-out factor.

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  163. on April 7, 2010 at 9:13 am Anonymous

    [editor: every male endeavor has female groupies. status is not an absolute, but a property relative to the waking death the masses call living.]
    —

    Problem is, this blog get’s way more male groupies fawning over Roissy than it even remotely does with female ones.

    [editor: you are wrong.

    http://www.quantcast.com/roissy.wordpress.com#demographics%5D

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  164. on April 7, 2010 at 9:15 am Anonymous

    If you deliver it correctly, you can probably tell a girl you think she would make a great slave girl. – Chi-Town
    —

    Girls really can be that stupid.

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  165. on April 7, 2010 at 10:17 am sdaedalus

    Laikastes

    I am so sorry, I promise not to comment for the rest of the day unless absolutely essential.

    I really am very sorry, I was worried about this, I just like talking to people.

    Obviously if you wanted to have a conversation with me of intellectually higher tone I would try my best to keep up, perhaps it would be good for me to aspire to a greater level of conversational skill.

    But I am probably not worthy of your conversational skills.

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  166. on April 7, 2010 at 10:21 am sdaedalus

    P.S. Interesting choice of name. I seem to remember from my very limited knowledge of classical languages (Usborne guide, silly me, this is obviously why my conversational skills are so limited) that Laikastes was ancient greek for “pimp”? Do tell.

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  167. on April 7, 2010 at 10:55 am Laikastes

    Sdaedalus

    I simply do not like the pointless treacly e-flirting filling up the comments section. If it were my blog, I would delete all of that kind of crap. But it is not my blog, so you can obviously comment here as much as Roissy allows you to do so. That’s his business. But such comments are hardly evidence of improved comment quality.

    And good catch on my handle. You might be the first person who has ever caught it. Nothing to tell about it. I chose it a long time ago, when I was doing PhD-level Greek. I seem to recall that it’s from one of Aristophanes’ plays – can’t remember which one now. Actually, I think the idea is a little closer to “skirt chaser” or “womanizer” than to “pimp”. I thought the bust of Pericles as my gravatar was a nice touch, don’t you agree?

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  168. on April 7, 2010 at 11:04 am anoukange

    Laikastes–

    fuck off.

    Maurice and SD-

    get a room 🙂

    wait, have a few dates, have some good dinners, see a movie, go for a few walks, and then, get a room. 🙂

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  169. on April 7, 2010 at 11:27 am Laikastes

    Anoukange

    Fuck you.

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  170. on April 7, 2010 at 12:02 pm sdaedalus

    I simply do not like the pointless treacly e-flirting filling up the comments section

    Well then you need to address your comments to Maurice, and leave me out of it. If you read my comments you will see that I have done my best in this regard, I have even offered an alternative flirting venue (crib game?) to no avail. I fully admit that I find it difficult to ignore charming and witty men when they refer to me in their emails, for good or bad, this is no doubt a character defect on my part, but I did not start the flirting, and I have tried (despite my susceptibility) to exert some self-control in this regard.

    Ah, Pericles of Athens, who said that “a woman’s greatest glory is to be little talked about by men, whether for good or ill” Very true. Paris Hilton (and no doubt SDaedalus) could learn a thing or two from this. Perhaps we should encourage Maurice to brush up on his classical reading instead of behaving like an 18th century roue.

    As far as I am aware, Laikastes can mean a libertine (male), a strumpet (woman), a pimp (male) or a procuress (woman). I assumed from your gravatar that you were no strumpet or procuress. I picked pimp because it was the more offensive of the two male alternatives, I was a bit annoyed. Perhaps I was unfair, your last email has been very charming.

    It is so nice to meet someone with an understanding of the classics. I would be interested to hear your view on Clash of the Titans and whether or not it is actually possible for Hollywood to make a decent swords and sandals film. There is a discussion going on at the Spearhead in relation to this. After all, as Aristophanes said, the wise learn many things from their foes.

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  171. on April 7, 2010 at 12:08 pm sdaedalus

    PS Laikastes

    Pericles was a very handsome man from the looks of your gravatar (despite the beard). He reminds me of some film star (I can’t quite remember whom)

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  172. on April 7, 2010 at 12:19 pm sdaedalus

    @Laikastes

    I have it now. Pericles looks like an upmarket version of Matthew McConaughey (with a brain). For Matthew avec beard, see here

    A very alpha Gravatar. Good choice. Maurice apparently has a stone gravatar as well (what’s it with men & hard inanimate object gravatars?) but you have set a very high standard.

    By the way, the Aristophanes quote above could apply to this blog generally, assuming of course that men and women are natural enemies.

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  173. on April 7, 2010 at 1:11 pm maurice

    @laikastes- you’re not the boss of me, or the editor of the board. if you don’t like the comments, skip over them. that’s what i do with comments i’m not interested in. it might be a little goofy and treacly, true, but it’s harmless and fun.

    @sdaed- this

    Anoukange

    Fuck you

    was charming? You have a much better interlocutor than that. Although the classical Greek stuff is very interesting.

    encourage Maurice to brush up on his classical reading instead of behaving like an 18th century roue

    and i suppose you’ll perform “Lysistrata” instead of writing trenchant psychosexual analyses of “Jane Eyre”? Retreating to your crib? No, that would be tragic. Wrong direction entirely. You belong in the world.

    men and women are natural enemies

    No.

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  174. on April 7, 2010 at 1:25 pm sdaedalus

    Maurice

    Don’t knock Lyistrata, there are operatic versions of this, though it is not my favourite Aristophanes play. There is probably also an operatic version of Jane Eyre, but I don’t have the energy to look this up. The opera reference is a hint btw, although I know nothing about opera I would be interested in reading your promised posts. I like 18th century as well though, one advantage is that one does not have to read it in translation, my knowledge of the ancient greek language unfortunately never got beyond the basics (although as you have seen I know all the unsavoury words)

    Just throwing out the men and women are enemies thing for discussion. You’ll note I said “assuming” It would be interesting to get the view of other commenters on this point. I’m sure you’ll agree though, that whether enemies or not, men & women have a lot to learn from one another about one another.

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  175. on April 7, 2010 at 1:27 pm sdaedalus

    Apologies for the misspelling of Lysistrata, this was not deliberate.

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  176. on April 7, 2010 at 1:45 pm Laikastes

    Maurice

    I never suggested that I was your boss, nor am I trying to tell you to stop commenting, or even to stop e-flirting.

    And I do skip over comments by people I find annoying. The thing is, I have enjoyed reading many of your comments in past posts over the two or three years I have been reading this blog. So when I see your name, I stop to read what you have written, expecting intelligence and insight. So it is quite a letdown to read e-flirt crap. But as I said, I am not trying to tell anyone what to do. I was simply registering my disbelief in Roissy’s statement that comment quality has improved, and citing your e-flirting with sdaedalus as evidence to the contrary.

    As for my “Fuck you” to anoukange, you know that it was in response to her previous “Fuck off” to me. I assume anoukange is a female, since she butted into something that was none of her concern. That’s a very female characteristic.

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  177. on April 7, 2010 at 1:53 pm maurice

    @anouk- thanks for the kind words and wishes. see, some people are annoyed by the e-flirting, others enjoy reading (and writing) it. To each his or her own. And you’ll note that sdaedalus immediately invited me to her crib after your post. so we’ll save the cutest puppy for you.

    @sdaed- wasn’t knocking it, although the idea of a female sex strike is wrong, for this board, on so many levels. i think an opera based on that play would consist mainly of sad wails of sexual frustration. your jane eyre post much more in the correct spirit of things, psychologically and dramaturgically. i mean, what’s the point of tragedy (goat song = analogy to pagan religious sacrifice), with its horrific blindings, maimings, and high body count, when you can instead have a delightful deus ex machina pop out at the end and pair everyone happily off. (note to serious literateurs: the depiction of classical tragedy was deliberately glib for humor’s sake. no hate please.)

    and i don’t want to spend time on the opera posts unless roissy says he wants them for the board. so will have to keep that idea in development until then.

    men & women have a lot to learn from one another about one another

    well you taught me all about the Prince Albert yesterday. 😉 Didn’t see that coming. In fact, I kinda want to wash my eyes out after that wikipedia link. And also about the Edwardian chair. Men might think about sex all the time, but women have minds that are at least as dirty. Even prim and proper ones. So there’s that to bind us together, my love…

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  178. on April 7, 2010 at 2:04 pm maurice

    @laikastes- thanks for the shout-out. i always read your stuff too. that said, there’s room for glib, funny, throwaway, and plain goofy posts as well as serious and thoughtful ones. the mix keeps the board from being too predictable, or even from lapsing into bitterness. i admit with this charming new creature i am a bit afflicted with tupac disease. (as if it isn’t already obvious.) sorry about the letdown, but i’ll keep mixing in my usual posts in. anyway, it will taper off naturally, i suppose. la donna e mobile.

    roissy put that comment in the middle of one of my e-flirt posts, but it was in a response to dana as to why she wasn’t posting as much. so i didn’t read that to mean he had in mind this thread specifically as the board in general.

    and yes I see now that the “fuck you” response thing was a cheap shot. apologies.

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  179. on April 7, 2010 at 2:07 pm sdaedalus

    Laikastes

    In fairness to Maurice at least he had the decency to keep eflirting more or less to the thread entitled “How to use this Blog as a Pick Up” Arguably he was only putting into practice the principle set out in the title to the post.

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  180. on April 7, 2010 at 3:50 pm maurice

    typical Irish coloring – dark hair and blue eyes.

    Is the collie the elusive Good Alpha dog?

    Would the former be the famous “black irish,” rumored to be descended from the survivors of the wreck of the Spanish Armada? Or are those the ones with dark eyes as well? Inquiring minds want to know.

    on the latter- elusive? really, my love?

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  181. on April 7, 2010 at 4:46 pm sdaedalus

    I would say Black Irish is dark hair, dark or at least hazel eyes and fairly dark skin, think Colin Farrell, Gabriel Byrne.

    If every Black Irish person was descended from the Spanish Armada there would have been an awful lot of sailors rescued. In fact most if not all of those who got near shore (very few) were hacked to death by the local populace. I think the explanation is that one of the founder races of Ireland was similar to the Basques (Irish and Basque YDNA is very similar).

    Alternatively there was a lot of trade in the past between the west coast of Ireland and Spain, Ireland was traditionally a seafaring nation. Most of the Black Irish are to be found on the outer regions of the west coast.

    There are a lot of Irish with dark hair, blue eyes and very pale skin which I would not call Black Irish though. The guys in this category tend to go grey early, not so easy to tell with the women, some of whom have developed an unfortunate habit of dyeing their hair blonde, this ruins the whole contrast thing. My sister has this colouring, which is also quite common on the west coast of Norway (where some of the people have genetic similarities to the Irish)

    And I haven’t even got on to the many different shades of redheads, or the green eyed towheaded Irish (moi) or the (very few) genuine Scandinavian blondes. We have quite a divergence of colouring for a small country.

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  182. on April 7, 2010 at 5:25 pm margaret

    roissy, you wrote this precisely because you knew she would read it. Good luck…to both of you.

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  183. on April 7, 2010 at 11:06 pm anoukange

    Laikastes-

    Butted in, I’ll give you. But two of those folks are my friends and your comment was rude and unnecessary. I see you have all made up now so I take it back. cheers.

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  184. on April 8, 2010 at 11:07 am Doug1

    White woman–

    Incidentally, I’m reading a book right now called “The Manipulated Man”. Might have read about it here. Copyright 1972 by Esther Vilar. Seems even in the ’70s there was a woman with sense speaking up. I only wish there had been more…

    I have heard of that and seen it highly praised, at least as a very prescient take on where things were headed. Some months ago I downloaded it to a hard drive. But, so little time, so much to read and respond to on the net and in book form, and do in real life.

    But anyway, I’d like to hear what you think of it when finished.

    When my former husband cheated repeatedly while professing to want to “work on our marriage”, I eventually kicked him out and moved on. I kept the drama low. Stopped responding to attempts by him to get me back in bed only to be cheated on again. No alimony, no house, minimal child support (much needed). Many years later, I’ve had the bittersweet satisfaction of being apologized to by him, (in no way instigated by me). I realize I am an exception in this area though and I’m appalled at the greedy grubbing ways of many members of the so-called “fairer sex”.

    Was it the occassional cheating itself, or his apparent periodic cessation of much if any attention to you and your children together while it was going on that really tore it for you? Of course there’s a frequency of infidelity that’s about impossible for any woman to bear even if she will put up with a certain amount, done sufficiently discretely, and not as the main focus in his life, or main focus aside from work, freezing you out. Well they tend to go together. Doing it all the time and it being his consuming focus tend to go together that is.

    Anyway you’ve probably seen my several comments late arguing that women who want men with a significant alpha component can and should put up with limited amounts of discreet infidelity of the just sex or almost just sex kind, so long as he doesn’t neglect you and his family, let it get out of hand, do it all the time, and you have a veto.

    I’d be interested in your reaction. I realize it’s probably not going to be in anyway agreeing with me given your experiences, but I suppose that doesn’t have to be true. After all what he seems to have done seems to be very different from what I’m talking about.

    btw, in calling yourself white woman, you’re rather suggesting that it was an interracial marriage. Any bearing?

    There was someone around here a few months ago who used a similar screen name for awhile, but you seem very different in tone. She seemed to mostly want to provoke as much as she could, particularly the white guy large majority here. Was into Indian men I think.

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  185. on April 8, 2010 at 11:22 am Doug1

    sdaedalus

    Ireland was traditionally a seafaring nation

    Really? Now that’s something I definitely didn’t know. Had rather the opposite impression.

    I do know that the Basques were very early major long distance fishermen, who may have been the first after the Vikings to rediscover N. America, although they set up no permanent settlements there. Summer fishing camps though e.g. in Maine and Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, in pursuit of cod mostly, on the grand banks etc. it would make sense that they sometimes or often stopped in Ireland. To sell their cod among other things. Though most of their catch apparently went to France. This I’m getting from the slender but fascinating little book “Cod”, that’s about the history, very entertainingly told, of the N. Atlantic cod fishery and the nations that went after it. From the Basques to N.England Yankee (first Boston blue bloods) early fortunes, etc.

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  186. on April 8, 2010 at 1:54 pm sdaedalus

    Doug

    It’s an island on the Atlantic edge of Europe, of necessity it had to be a seafaring nation. The trade routes went from Africa & the Mediterranean, up to Scotland and Iceland, around the Baltic and back by the south coast of England.

    It went the other way too, raids on southern Irish ports & abduction of women by Mediterranean corsairs for sale in the souks were common up to as late as the 17th century.

    In the past, travel overland was difficult, the sea was the highway. Matters became different after we were colonised, all official trade routes went directly to London by way of Wales, possibly a bit of residual trade with Scotland.

    Of course there was still a bit of unofficial trade with Spain (smuggling, begging and other forms of criminality)

    Although I’m not sure Irish fishermen got as far as the North Atlantic cod fishery (though St Brendan apparently discovered America), one could certainly call Irish sailors cod fishermen in a different sense.

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  187. on April 9, 2010 at 4:05 am maurice

    green eyed towheaded Irish (moi)

    *sigh*. better and better.

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  188. on April 11, 2010 at 6:01 am Linkage is Good for You: Had to Get Away Edition

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  189. on April 16, 2010 at 4:51 am Ray Gordon

    Do you really want women this DUMB? Yeah, it’s good for getting laid, but so is a $100 bill to a hooker.

    You’re running game I had perfected as far back as 1991: GURU GAME. You got a KISS from an OLDER WOMAN? Sounds desperate.

    Throwing away your prime on women like this is sad. Men do it all the time too. Not all women want “alphas,” but the ones who do make the most noise, and dumb men can’t see the rest of the crowd.

    The themes are common: random hot chicks, slutty behavior, slutty environments, and sex-addicted men who are letting the game rule them more than they could ever know.

    Ray Gordon
    Bettor Off Single: Why Commitment Is A Bad Gamble For Men
    http://www.toosmarttofail.com/bos.html

    Special sale: “Pay whatever the heck you want” for the book ($1.00 minimum). Huge free excerpts too

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  190. on April 16, 2010 at 5:01 am Ray Gordon

    The key remark here is when he says “this isn’t some early-twentysomthing flakechick.”

    Of course not: she’s OLDER and DESPERATE. A super-elite in her prikme would never go for this. Know why? The lesser women don’t get LOVED so easily, so they are HUNGRY for it. Much like you guys are HUNGRY for sex.

    When I met “Kate,” the sexiest woman I have ever known, wanted to fuck me at a party I threw just to engineer isolation with her, I passed. When I asked her out on a date a week later, she accpeted, then cancelled, probably because she realized she didn’t want marriage (she never married), and knew she’d break my heart worse down the road, thus making the sex not worth it to her.

    How did we arrive there? COURTSHIP. For a whole fucking MONTH. Long conversations, flirting, and neither of us even ONCE mentioned that others were in the running, because others were not. It was not failure, it was a proper OUTCOME, one that left us better off than if either of us had given the other what they wanted at the expense of what we wanted.

    You think being “alpha” is the answer? Didn’t work for Steven Seagal, John Edwards, Tiger Woods, Jesse James, and a host of other men who achieved that status, only to have women try to ruin them. Why do you think it will turn out any better for you?

    Sure, alpha males get 86 percent of the women, but that leaves 14 percent for the betas, and much weaker rivals. I’m a proud “fourteen-percenter.” Richie Cunningham, if you will.

    What most PUAs eventually will learn is that they have PLENTY of chances to get all the sex they want, but they value their INDEPENDENCE more than they ever could a woman they’d have to settle for, while the ones they really want, are all but impossible to tame.

    The other problem with “game” is that it enables the female’s primary weapon: AMBIGUITY. You hide your agenda, and she can take you at face value, rejecting you if you are aggressive, and vaporizing you if you don’t make a move. The ones who do put out are just so desperate to be loved that they resort to the “nuclear option” much like an AFC sending flowers. It’s bullshit.

    When I truly lost Kate, I cried like an infant in a bar, right in front of her, and didn’t get over her for three years. I used to be ashamed of this, but I’m glad she got to see just how broken my heart was after her. Once it healed, the rest was PUA history, but I had given my best shot to get the best woman I’ve ever met, and no other man got her anyway. After that, allother women became easy.

    It sounds like you’ve never met your Kate. If losing a woman won’t leave you crying as if you’d just lost the Super Bowl, she isn’t worth caring about or pursuing in the first place.

    On another note, you are not following Game Theory here, specifically that of the “iterated prisoner’s dilemma,” which says to trust the other prisoner the first time, then assume they will repeat their behavior. For example, Charlie Brown should try to kick the football the first time Lucy holds it, but not afterwards. PUAs don’t trust the first time, while AFCS trust the second, third, and too many thereafter.

    A woman will never think a man beta if he trusts her ONCE. As they say “fool me once, shame on YOU.” The man who trusts women at first, then adjusts his behavior when they violate that trust, is sending the most potent alpha signal of all, and will find he wins almost every game he plays this way.

    Ray Gordon
    Bettor Off Single
    http://www.toosmarttofail.com/bos.html

    SPECIAL: “Pay whatever the heck you want” for the book ($1.00 minimum).

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