What happens when a woman’s social status leapfrogs her man’s status? Breakups.
In the past dozen years, nearly every woman to win the Academy Award for Best Actress has broken up with her husband, boyfriend or lover — some just months after thanking them from the award show stage.
Status is interesting when applied to women. For women, their status in the sexual market — the fundamental market that underlies all other markets — is locked up in their beauty. Women barter their looks status for high male social status, where male social status loosely defined indicates the man’s ability to provide resources for the woman and any future children. But women can also earn male-centric social and financial status. When a woman jumps up the social status ladder higher than most men, tremors rattle the normally smooth functioning of the dating market. Women with very high social status, regardless of their beauty, perceive themselves “better catches” than they really are. (If the woman is ugly, her self-perceived boost to her image will be smaller than if she is beautiful.) Women loathe dating down with lower status men, so a woman at the pinnacle of social status has, through forces acting upon her beyond her scope of influence or even conscious recognition, locked out a much larger dating pool of men than if she had never risen higher in social status. If she was already in a relationship with a man when her social status climbed above his, the relationship will suffer a buffeting of hypergamous winds that is hardly ameliorated by the fact of their longtime loving commitment.
This is what has happened to those Oscar winning actresses. They rose in status, and their lovers consequently dropped in relative status. Thus putting the brakes on the tingle train.
The line of breakup causality goes both ways. Men are subconsciously aware of the threat to their reproductive success that high female social status brings. This is why men are skittish about dating women with better educational credentials or career prospects. It’s nothing to do with being “scared” or “intimidated” by “strong women”. Men just prefer the pussy path of least resistance, and make calculated decisions which quarry is worth pursuing and which is a waste of time. Men, being the more realistic sex when considering their place in the sexual market, are apt to be better than women at streamlining dating operations for maximum return on investment. This means avoiding women with higher social status than their own, correctly figuring that such women, no matter how superficially enthusiastic about the courtship, will put up a bigger fight before putting out, if ever.
Women don’t want to date down and men don’t want to date women who don’t admire them on some level. Unfortunately, in a relationship where the higher social status woman truly does love her lower status man, (as may have been the case for the Oscar winning actresses in the above article), the tragedy of unintended breakup still occurs, for the lower status man will grow resentful of his fame-riding lover (and with good sociobiological reason) and act in ways which sabotage the love she still feels for him. You may think this is stupid of the man, but generally when we do the bidding of our DNA dictates what’s seemingly stupid for us is the right thing for our genes. At some point in the not too distant future, those loving high status actresses will begin to lash out at their lower status hubbies with the spite of a thousand harridans. Those are the regrettable odds. And who wants to be around for that? Especially with so many cute, lower status waitresses and tattoo artists to happily spelunk?
My advice for men who have a fetish about dating higher social status doctors and Fortune 500 executives and don’t much care about love: Marry them. In the inevitable divorce, you might walk away with more moolah than you brought.
Date c-list actresses then? how preposterous!
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You could just hire good looking escorts than go through all that BS.. just saying. It might work to be cheaper, as even good looking escorts are much cheaper than even girlfriends with equivalent looks.
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Ever considered the shocking possibility that some people (men and women alike) don’t define themselves through their careers? A woman can be a physician and work part-time, pursue other projects, and have time to raise children (while actually staying home, not dropping them off at day-care). She could work two weekends a month on call and earn very good money for the little time she spends away from home. The possibilities with an MD are endless, especially when one thinks outside the box. The rest of the time can be spent with the kids and pursuing writing, art, and creative projects with her husband. The label of “physician” does not define the totality of her interests nor her contribution to the relationship. A real man with natural dominance understands this, and while he respects her pursuits in medicine, he’s the one in charge.
Roissy and others who prescribe a way of thinking steeped in evolutionary psychology are in fact, evolutionarily speaking, the “lower beings” of the human race, effectively reducing themselves and others to the primal urges dictated by neurons firing in their (evolutionary primitive) brainstems and circulating hormone levels.
How miserable it must be to be a slave to your biology.
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“It’s nothing to do with being “scared” or “intimidated” by “strong women”
Man it drives me nuts hearing this. Especially from black women, because very often their higher relative status just means they have a sociology degree with a minor in women’s studies, which is higher status than being in jail or unemployed, but is far from a “strong woman” or having high absolute status.
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Hypergamy can be a bitch for successful women.
I have a couple business school friends (women) now in their late 30s. They earn a good living and have relatively high social and financial status. This severely shrank the pool of men they would consider dating.
Both are still single after being dumped some time ago by long-time boyfriends for younger women. Yes, their boyfriends were higher status than them and figured (correctly) they could get younger, hotter tail. Both were quite cute back in the day.
My advice to them is to go 15 years older. But so far they’re not buying it. I expect them to remain single.
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You could just hire good looking escorts than go through all that BS
Sure, if you’re not fully human.
But besides that, I’ve notices a nasty drop in the attractiveness of girls in the industry over the past 15-20 years. I’ve never used escorts but in the late 1980s through late 90s, girls in strip clubs were often gorgeous in a wholesome hot blonde cheerleader sort of way, or in a pretty girl next door way.
Today, in my rare ventures to a club or seeing my o m e g a friend’s Ace’s pics of other pros online, I see mostly horror freakshow of disfigurement via augmentation, tatoos, piercings, and fulll shaving.
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I was under the impression that, by working so hard to get the Oscar, the hubby had massive amounts of free time to creep. Plus the odds of him getting caught drop significantly because she’s always away from home. Thus the hubby gets an easier chance to do what he always wanted to do anyway…
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“You could just hire good looking escorts than go through all that BS.. just saying. It might work to be cheaper, as even good looking escorts are much cheaper than even girlfriends with equivalent looks.”
I disagree.
This is the correct order of increasing expensiveness of pussy:
one night stand < fuck buddy < girlfriend < hooker < wife < ex-wife < ex-wife with custody of kids
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“My advice for men who have a fetish about dating higher social status doctors and Fortune 500 executives and don’t much care about love: Marry them. In the inevitable divorce, you might walk away with more moolah than you brought.”
Make sure to quit your job and stay home with the kids long before the inevitable divorce.
It doesn’t matter if baby mama makes 10 times what you make. If you do not have custody, you WILL pay child support out your ass as long as you have a job.
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omg figure it out already!!!
a woman is always working for a man….
eitehr it’s yu or soem other dude.
ediucated women with degrees will be working for fiat bankers and fiat masters, putting in 80 hour weeks serving a fait currency created from thin air and killing their souls and greater story and mythology in which they would revel in raising kids and honoring tehir husband as teh bible tells them to do. lozlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzzlzlzz
powerful women make me laugh.
as even the news anchors we don’t love them for their intellect but for tehir titties and pretty tiities and stuff.
if a women is not working as a goddess wife and mother, then she is working as a temptress for a major corproation.
the fiat bnankers comunists understood this and that is why tey voiolate women with much cockage from teh time tehy get their period telling them to act on all their gina tngles and take it up the ass form tucker max who charlotte allen lauds in the pages of teh weekly standard where she repeats his lies about his height and success lsolxlxooxlxlxoxlxll lxoxlxl so that they the women might beocme completely useless to all of us rugged men other than as cum dumpster whores with rotted out souls–temptresses working for massive at soulless corproations with waning looks and whoredom and cats. lzozlzlzlzlzllz
the ifat bankers alaways need a civil society andgold-backed currency to debaucnh and desecrate, and then they move on to the next vamprie’s victims. lzozlzllzlzzllzfi
in the bible and in greek history the only proper role for a woman was to answer to a manbut now they answer to tehir gina tingles and a fiat currency lzozllzlzlzl
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i think it’s awesome how the fiat bankers took control of a country and conquered it without ever firing a shot as all teh wall street bankers get bailed out, how they plundered and anal sexed its women (liek tucker max tehir hero) and castrated its men and incarcerated them and trained women to transfer wealth from men to the state while also removing a man’s kids from his home and putting them in state daycare and baring false witness against husnbands in court, and other than roissy here, you guys refuse to see the lzozlzlzlzlz is on you!!
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‘How miserable it must be to be a slave to your biology.’
How miserable it must be to be in such denial.
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“How miserable it must be to be a slave to your biology.”
Then it must be miserable being human.
Let me ask you: do you date and/or fuck ugly, fat women? They can exhibit high social status (i.e., a good job). Didn’t think so. Must be miserable being a slave to biology!
Female social status is irrelevant to their value to men. Men, due to evolution, value reproductive value (looks) about 70% and nurturing value (child rearing) about 30%.
Men, on the other hand, are valued by women for their protection value (alpha status/social value) about 70% and reproductive value (health/looks) about 30%.
Men at the most put zero value on social status in women, and in many cases negative value. The higher the male value (see below), the less value he’ll put on female social value, since he doesn’t need it.
Though, as Roissy points out, there is a logic to for a man with low social status (i.e., not much money) to marry a women for her money, since it will raise his own value relative to other women, esp. to the waitresses and nurses types. He could call it an investment of time for a reward down the road?
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@ Chris, “can”(theoretically allowed under the laws of physics) does not equal “does”(exists / happens in statistically significant numbers / frequency).
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What about maintaining high status via game? (ie. woman is CEO, but man holds upper hand via sheer force of personality despite being a starving artist/bartender/insert low status job here.)
[editor: yes. game is the great leveler.]
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chris:
“How miserable it must be to be a slave to your biology.”
I finally stopped laughing long enough to type. Yeah, it can be kind of miserable if you don’t understand that biology. We are all a slave to it, but the smug ones like you, Chris, never realize it till your sweet, wholesome, highly educated wife follows her gina tingles with the landscaper.
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I’ve dated several Oscar-winning actresses*, and the key to keeping them around is to rough ’em up in the sack. Throat fucking til they cry. Anal with your hand around their neck. Put em in a gimp mask and lederhosen, and make them call you daddy.
It’s hard for them to think they have higher status than you after all that.
* not true
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“This is why men are skittish about dating women with better educational credentials or career prospects. It’s nothing to do with being “scared” or “intimidated” by “strong women”. Men just prefer the pussy path of least resistance, and make calculated decisions which quarry is worth pursuing and which is a waste of time. ”
Thanks for responding to those excuses that are constantly voiced by women. Most guys can recognize the inevitable shitstorm on the horizon that would come with pursuing those women. No one wants to deal with that.
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Chris,
While I recognize that “rising above” one’s biology in certain ways or instances is a noble goal, it’s ignorance for one to pretend that they have in fact separated themselves from it. It affects everything we do. No matter how many intelligent discussions on politics and literature, no matter how many recycling drive we lead, at some level we’re just animals who wear colored scraps of fabric.
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Chris, your use of “lower beings” betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of evolutionary theory.
This isn’t the middle-ages where we all believe in the Great Chain of Being, and humans are “higher” than animals, etc. You seem to be holding onto a Great Chain mentality here, albeit with evolution replacing god, and that is a serious conceptual mistake.
Keep in mind that the most successful male of all-time – from a gene’s eye (hence evolutionary) point of view – is Genghis Khan. And Roissy, smart and suave as he is, will be an evolutionary failure on par with castrati’s and ultra-omegas if his plan to never sire children succeeds.
The point is that evolution is morally neutral. It’s also “coolness” (as it were) neutral.
Critique the substance of the post if you like, but a term like “lower being” and a phrase like “slave to your biology” muddles, rather than clarifies, you objection.
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The larger part of why men don’t go after high status women is that it usually takes a masculine personality to rise in status. The same characteristics that made a woman able to attain status, make her unsuitable for romance.
My advice for men who have a fetish about dating higher social status doctors and Fortune 500 executives and don’t much care about love: Marry them. In the inevitable divorce, you might walk away with more moolah than you brought.
I know a natural who did this with a mathematician. He stays at home writing while she makes the big bucks.
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I never watched “Sex and the City” show, just saw the movie. The horrid redhead she-lawyer: what was the status dynamic driving her initial attraction to the hangdog guy she married and had a kid with?
He’s no alpha and no provider (not that she needed a provider in the first place). Her social status was clearly higher than his. Was it that he was an intellectual-circles type with solid show-pony value in her social circles?
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Even very high & continuously increasing status is no guarantee. When a woman marries a man, usually she assumes his status as her own//thereafter she won’t be as impressed or turned on by it. Also she will be introduced to his circle of friends some of whom will be even HIGHER status than he is. If he’s a rock musician with regional fame, he’ll probably know rock musicians with national fame. If he’s a Fortune 500 CEO he’ll probably know some Fortune 10 CEOs. She’ll meet these people and will begin to think about how lacking her husband is in comparison.
Girls who are very individualstic//not so driven by relative status among their female friends//are probably less prone to this as are those who have good self-knowledge.
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I just want to utter my opinion that lzolzlzlzl guy is phenomenal.
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Daniel
Yes. While the girl with no friends might have a habit of breaking all relationships through borderline personality disorder dramas, the girl with too many friends won’t have a brain of her own. Her “friends” will make sure of it. Girls who are girl focused socially are less mate focused. You want to make yourself the focus of her will. And a female will is never her own – it’s going to belong either to you, her friends, or her parents. Best if it’s you.
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Question: Do you think the high status women believe a. consciously and/or b. in their lizard brains that their high status in any way matters to the men their with or with other potential mates?
I mean, as a mate, I’d regard the fat, ugly 16-year-old at the Qwick-E-Mart as a lot higher status than Sandra Bullock, because the ugly, poor and likely illiterate checkout girl could actually get pregnant, which I’d guess would be nearly impossible for Sandra these days, baring medical miracles that my lizard brain can’t account for in its attraction.
Whatever her wealth and fame, whatever guy Sandra ends up with a. doesn’t have any drive toward reproductive sex, b. gets enough from her that he’s willing to bury that drive or c. is cheating on her. None of those are typical traits of a high status male, so she’s really not eligible to get one.
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Roissy–
Just to be very down to earth about it, sex between the two a couple of weeks after she gets the Oscar and the status elevation thing has really sunk in w/after parties and so on, sex between the couple is likely to really suck, even if it was real good before.
that will be at least as much because of her as him. Well he may not show up to play, getting signals of disinterest from her. But if he does show up hard and ready, the likelihood of her hot response will be way, way down.
That’s the likely nitty gritty.
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Elevated status and elevated security and less reliance on her husband or anyway on things he can completely control anymore are related.
Another reason not to marry her but if you don’t want to play the field anymore or for a good while, live together.
When you marry her the two of you only think for awhile that the husband still controls his own money and house. Her American married or divorced girlfriends will set her straight before too long.
Keep your power to decide according to how she’s making you feel on an ongoing basis, and don’t enter marriage 2.0 (and consider yourself already raped if you do without a prenup which largely mimics living together if there’s a breakup, if you must marry cause children).
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PA–
I couldn’t bear to watch more than half of the movie but have seen three or so episodes of the show when they were at least younger, but still aging.
Yeah I DETEST, viscerally, that red headed hyper feminist shew.
She married according to feminist ideology and as well her own age adjusted 5 at best looks and repellent female dominant personality.
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Merle Streep and Sigourney Weaver are married to lower status males, though they are talented in their fields of endeavor, sculpture and theatre. I would guess that the girls make 99% of the money in those families.
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finally, a situation in which Roissy advises marriage. but, it’s got to be the most beta and beta-tizing situation possible: being a kept man to a hard-charging career woman. hmm. although he did suggest that this path was only for those with a “fetish” for such women.
what about the effect of higher status on other aspects of female behavior relevant to the mating market?? femininity, modesty, agreeability? isn’t the stereotype of the harridan lawyer chick relevant here? men may not pursue higher status women only because they know they will be looked down on and not inspire gina tingles, but because the women are less attractive, personality- and behavior-wise, than other women of equivalent physical desirability. whether it’s the career path than makes the lawyer cunty or the cuntiness of the female that leads to the career path is immaterial. same effect.
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Conan the Grammarian
There are always some exceptions. Also both women are dominants and mannish, and not at all beautiful by Hollywood actress standards, even in their prime. Streep especially. They both usually play female dominant roles, even if it isn’t always formally structured that way (streep).
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if they both did a fair bit of cuckolding of their husbands too, esp. when younger, with more dominant thrilling men.
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Wouldn’t surprise me if their husband knew/know and lived w/it.
Uggg, but there it is.
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Roissy–
Well marry them but don’t have children with them. Cause the man is still gonna have to pay child support as a higher percentage of the aftertax highest income he can make, or ever has made, most often.
(See the Palin daughter’s baby dad, assessed far into the future for a few strong money scores he made in the immediate aftermath of his split w/Palin’s daughter and her still being in the limelight. As though that’s what he can readily make into the future in what he wants to do with his life. Tough, doesn’t matter. You’;re a man. That stuff only is respected in American family law courts today if you’re a woman.)
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maurice–
Seems to me “upper middle” kinds of status in a woman can often be a good thing for a more successful and older man who’s serious about her as an LTR. More peak status esp. in more feminine arts, such as entertainment or the arts is likely to make any relationship full of drama and her not good for more than an exciting fling, for an attractive enough wise man.
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maurice–
Or starlets are very likely to make better wives than stars.
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Bitches! Like clockwork!
Oh wait, it looks like most of these chicks got cheated on by their boyfriends/husbands.
Maybe having your girl get higher status bumps you up so you score higher…or makes the man lose his tingle and he looks elsewhere.
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“Maybe having your girl get higher status bumps you up so you score higher…or makes the man lose his tingle and he looks elsewhere.”
Or the woman loses her tingle and the man starts to look elsewhere.
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Miranda met Steve when he was working at the bar where she was waiting for a friend. He flirted with her, and they ended up in bed. Miranda thought it was a one night stand, but Steve sensed they had a connection and pursued her. They dated but broke up due to status issues, then had another one night stand after Steve’s operation to remove a cancerous testicle. Miranda got pregnant as a result but refused to marry Steve, believing they could be platonic co-parents. However, as she saw Steve’s sweetness and devotion to their child, she realized she did love Steve, only to find out he was dating someone else. After enduring an appropriate amount of television series-mandated longing, they admitted their feelings and got back together at their child’s first birthday party.
Steve was one of those characters with a soft exterior but some steel on the inside. Not surprisingly, Miranda usually underestimated him. In my opinion, only a man like Steve, who was sweet and gentle but also surprisingly self-possessed and self-confident, could have loved her, tolerated her, and handled her. He had a good mix of alpha and beta traits. Any man who was more purely alpha wouldn’t have given Miranda more than a pump-and-dump due to her strident, blunt personality. Any man who was more purely beta would have gone whimpering to the corner and stayed there permanently after one of her tongue-lashings.
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“Though, as Roissy points out, there is a logic to for a man with low social status (i.e., not much money) to marry a women for her money, since it will raise his own value relative to other women, esp. to the waitresses and nurses types. He could call it an investment of time for a reward down the road?”
I notice an awful lot of this “male golddigging” going on lately, and I’m not impressed whenever I see it. To me it is a sort of “poor man’s success” or “poor man’s relationship”. The man is almost always some sort of douchebag who hasn’t achieved any real success himself, and the woman clearly knows this. The guys seem to kiss the chicks’ asses constantly and generally get ordered around and treated like dirt.
If you’re an unsuccessful idiot with no self respect, this might be a way to live richer than you possibly could have for a while. But the downsides far outweigh the benefits to me.
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Aunt Haley
Very good and insightful analysis.
Now, imagine these two characters were real people. Let’s move them to a time past the end of the movie.
Will Miranda cheat on Steve a few years down the road while married to him, if a sexy lesser alpha flirts w/her during one of her less bitchy moments/periods?
My answer is she clearly will, justifying it as her never having loved Steve that deeply as a lover or man, just as a dad to their child.
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Advocatus Diaboli:
I had a friend who came in to some money. She took the dude who she was into as well as his friend on an all expenses trip to NY, paying for him to go to broadway shows and whatever he liked. He also half-lived at her place for a while, with her buying anything and everything to please him. All this while he refused to have full sex with her.
Now tell me a prostitute is cheaper than enslaving a woman to you.
Doug:
What’s hilarious is that the elevated status is an illusion. The quality of the men she can net in the circle she’s limited to depreciate as time goes by. This is as well as the quality of the roles she can land in celebrity land, where both her price has gone up and she acts even more entitled. A young, cheap, beautiful, enthusiastic and pliant actress offers real competition.
Well, she’s always miserable whenever I saw a scene with her in it, so karma exists. Not that I watch the show, my mother did.
Aunt Haley:
Actually, I got curious so found the scene of their first meeting.
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Aunt Haley–
Another question based on the same preliminaries.
Will Miranda keep giving Steve good sex after their second child is born, and she’s clear she never wants any more. (And maybe gets her tube tied. Typical move for Miranda types at that decision point.)
My answer is no. She’ll dry up to him. But then cheat w/others as above.
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The truth of this topic is succinctly explained in the infamous article penned by Michael Noer of Forbes:
Don’t Marry Career Women (ignore that counterpoint column on the right written by that bitch):
http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/23/Marriage-Careers-Divorce_cx_mn_land.html
Read it, and re-read it. Ingest it. Meditate on it.
Also, remember that those ‘high up’ women have two fatal flaws:
1) They are domineering, ball-busting bitches.
2) She may settle for you, but eventually she’ll grow resentful of being deserving of and entitled to a Bigger Better Deal(tm).
Women: disersify your portfolio via game, keep them on a tight leash, underneath as your footstool, and adopt a zero tolerance policy to their petty histrionics.
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Bhetti
Yeah like I thought. That clip was from the series, 2nd season. She’s way worse looking and harder in the movie, 9 years later, though bitch enough in the clip.
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“My advice for men who have a fetish about dating higher social status doctors and Fortune 500 executives and don’t much care about love: Marry them. In the inevitable divorce, you might walk away with more moolah than you brought”.
Coincidentally, Howard Stern touched on this topic on today’s show regarding the Olson twins and Madonna’s daughter. $he’s 13 now, so any enterprising alpha have 5 years to strengthen his pimp hand and cash in.
Good luck.
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Doug: The whole relationship is complete fiction in my view, nevermind its progression.
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“Roissy and others who prescribe a way of thinking steeped in evolutionary psychology are in fact, evolutionarily speaking, the “lower beings” of the human race, effectively reducing themselves and others to the primal urges dictated by neurons firing in their (evolutionary primitive) brainstems and circulating hormone levels.”
This is the Darwinian Struggle, whoever makes the most babies still wins the future. Who’s making more babies right now, liberals like you or conservatives? All around the world conservatives are making more babies than liberals. Your people are at below replacement levels and thus are committing demographic suicide.
“The political right is having a lot more kids than the political left,” Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks says. “The gap is actually 41 percent.”
Studying numbers from the General Social Survey — a government survey of social trends — Brooks found that 100 unrelated liberal adults have 147 children, while 100 unrelated conservatives have 208 kids.
That makes a difference, Brooks says, because “80 percent of people that express a political party preference are voting like their folks.”
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=2344929&page=1
Also, conservatives are happier than liberals.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/conservatives-are-happier-than-liberals-discuss/
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Bhetti–
You’re right or you should be but maybe not entirely. What I mean is this.
I can see a Miranda type responding as she did to a guy like Steve in that clip, gaming her the ok. He’s kinda less alpha in the bar. Only marginally so but still. He is beta as hell the next morning, in the face of her post great sex by him defensively motivated but well hidden dismissiveness.
However, here’s the thing. Guys like him do exist. He could do way better. Let’s accept as a given that he wants to get a professional girl that makes way more money than he does for a buying him things live together gf and then maybe wife. He could get less of an uber bitch (at least until 5 years has rolled by) girl who’s those things than Miranda. But he’s also been programmed by American and NY in particular hyper feminist messages about not being afraid of “strong” (=strident) career women.
So I don’t know. Highly unlikely though yes. Because he can flirt and so would have picked up women making what Miranda does or close enough who are more appreciative of his macho abilities and less determined to bring out his beta than she is.
So I’ve talked myself around to agreeing you’re just right.
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Sandra Bullock is cute but practically menopausal.
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xsplat
“And a female will is never her own – it’s going to belong either to you, her friends, or her parents. Best if it’s you”.
TRUE.
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Doug:
I admit clicking off before the sex part, so definitely didn’t see the aftersex part.
Exactly. The only man who can handle her to generate attraction is one who won’t have her. Not outside of an open relationship.
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The topic of this post reminds me of observations made by two stand up comedians (I don’t remember who):
1) If a man driving by a bus stop sees a pretty woman waiting for the bus, he’s interested in dating her. But if a woman driving by a bus stop sees a great looking man waiting for a bus, forget it — she views him as a loser for riding the bus.
2) You often see a gorgeous young woman ‘dating’ an ugly, fat old jerk who is wealthy, but you never see a hot young guy dating some older rich woman who looks like Roseanne.
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But if a woman driving by a bus stop sees a great looking man waiting for a bus, forget it — she views him as a loser for riding the bus
I think this is a little exaggerated. The sight of a good looking man always cheers SDaedalus up. In fact, as a non-driver, her complaint is that there aren’t enough good looking men travelling by bus these days.
Perhaps American women are more materialistic.
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SDaedalus–
It definitely wouldn’t be an exaggeration in LA.
In NY, even the rich sometimes ride the subway cause for certain long N/S trips in Manhattan it’s simply faster esp. in the middle of the day. Course in the summer or rush hour not so much.
The bus is downscale though because the old advantage it has over omnipresent taxis is money and not big money at that for shortish trips.
Europe is a lot more public transport oriented than America other than NY.
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Try explaining to a woman that you (and most other men) would rather marry a waitress than a CEO. Then stand back and watch their head explode.
It’s fun.
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This is what happened to “beta of the month” Topper Mortimer. The lesson? High status offers little protection.
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“And a female will is never her own – it’s going to belong either to you, her friends, or her parents. Best if it’s you”.
That was a great comment, xsplat . I´d add that a female´s will is hers to the extent that her hormonal balance could be considered her will.
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Doug: I haven’t seen the movie, and I don’t know what is in store for the characters in this summer’s sequel. Keeping that in mind – I doubt that Miranda and Steve would try to have another child given that she is in her mid-40s at this point. I don’t see why Miranda would stop having good sex with Steve, either; their sexual chemistry was the main reason they even had a relationship to begin with. It’s plausible that Miranda could have an affair with a lesser alpha who flirts with her; no woman is completely immune to another man’s charms. It’s equally plausible that Miranda learned from Steve’s infidelity in the first film and values Steve more than she did before. I can’t predict what will happen with any certainty. (That’s the joy of storytelling: creating plausibility for a number of outcomes and then throwing your characters into the perfect storm of circumstances to ensure your desired outcome.)
In general, I would say that their relationship, like all relationships, boils down to his ability to manage her and keep her attraction to him percolating – which in turn softens her edges and keeps her doing things to make herself attractive to him. It’s a complementary cycle which, when executed right, results in a lot of happiness for everyone.
Also, re: Bhetti’s clip – I disagree that Steve was beta the next morning. He did some beta things, like tell her he thought the sex was special, but the entire time, his body language and attitude said alpha. He didn’t act needy, and he didn’t act disappointed when she tried to blow him off. Instead, he negged her (“you’re a real pisser”), told her what to do (“stop by the bar and see me sometime”), and laughed when she gave one last attempt to assert her dominance by saying “great sex!”. His attitude toward her was that of a man patting a petulant but harmless child on the head – thereby passing her non-stop barrage of shit tests with flying colors and ensuring that she would come back around (which she does in the next episode).
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This is the correct order of increasing expensiveness of pussy:
one night stand < fuck buddy < girlfriend < hooker < wife < ex-wife < ex-wife with custody of kids
Why do you think one night stands are cheaper than sex with fuck buddies?
The total cost per bang in one night stands is much higher than that with fuck buddies because of the large overhead (= time spent directly + money spent indirectly) in the former. A fuck buddy only has to be seduced once after which a regular schedule can be established. Having a girlfriend, let alone a wife involves a high opportunity cost in the least. The rest of your order seems to be correct which means marriage is completely pointless if family formation is not the idea.
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In NY, even the rich sometimes ride the subway cause for certain long N/S trips in Manhattan it’s simply faster esp. in the middle of the day. Course in the summer or rush hour not so much.
The bus is downscale though because the old advantage it has over omnipresent taxis is money and not big money at that for shortish trips
Thank you Doug for the information.
It is rare here to find a good looking man over 30 on public transport; they all spend 3 hours a day in their over-priced rapidly depreciating cars getting fat and fed up.
They would be much better off taking the bus, it is more interesting and keeps one slimmer. Mind you the public transport system here is not great but it is still better than long distance car commuting.
One of the nice things about going to Europe is the number of handsome men using the really excellent public transport systems. There, everyone uses public transport.
In SDaedalus’s opinion all men should display themselves daily en plein air rather than hiding behind car windows, her walk to and from work would be much more interesting.
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yo doug1, have you ever considered getting your own blog?
not because i think it would be any good or anything like that. but i’m sick of you acting like roissy’s second in command and filling up the comments with over the top DHVing and lame advice. i can’t be the only one, am i? i come here to read roissy’s advice, not your transparently beta posturing.
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One should not be a slave to their biology. I am guessing most men here choose to deny their selfish genes replication, the ultimate offense. There is no wisdom to nature. It’s insane twenty year-old women who have never accomplished jack shit are accorded high social status on account of their looks alone. Men literally vie for the opportunity to buy such do-nothings dinner. Meanwhile, there ARE women who have accomplished things with their lives, and we do not find those qualities of character terribly attractive.
Let’s acknowledge nature is red in tooth and claw, but this is nothing to glory in. We should resist and defeat what we ought to when we can.
So? Muslims and Mormons are also “successful” in that they breed like crazy. And religious people happier than atheists. Good for them. Studies also show people with a more cynical view of the world also have a more accurate view.
As for the original post, there are obviously countless confounding variables. Hollywood has some of the most high-status men and the most beautiful women in the world. The only way for this survey to be remotely meaningful is if we also look at the other nominees.
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A-Bax says, “Critique the substance of the post if you like, but a term like “lower being” and a phrase like “slave to your biology” muddles, rather than clarifies, you objection.”
True. We are all slaves to our biology, and that includes our brains. Some people are more gifted in certain ways than others, and this can alienate them from most of humanity, but doesn’t separate them from it.
So it pays to know what’s normal, if for no other reason than to avoid it.
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High status women want to suck the attention, money and power out of a room the same way a fire sucks out all the oxygen. Low status women will too but the generally don’t get the chance. No matter the status, women do not like to compete for status with men. Having a Beta they can push around means that they do not have to share the spotlight. Having an Alpha husband can be a problem but since women are more attached to themselves and their children then the men in their lives they just need a sphere of influence of their own that they can reign in without Alpha hubby meddling.
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The Rational Male
“Try explaining to a woman that you (and most other men) would rather marry a waitress than a CEO. Then stand back and watch their head explode.
It’s fun”.
Make sure there are no manginas present for full effect.
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Chateau,
Something occured to me the other day on a similar tangent to this post. Its seemingly unrelated at first, but practically a conjoined twin as one ponders it:
Look at what is happening at Duke University (via Welmer’s Spearhead). Some ludicrious sexual-consent policies are being passed, replete with star-chamber-like committies to determine if males recieved consent for every step of heightened intimacy. Males using “popularity” or higher social standing can be found guilty of sexual assault by these little kangaroo courts also.
High status and high IQ males and females are at Duke. If the Duke young women end up foreswearing Duke young men for courtship, then they will have to enter the dating market later in life (as their looks just begin to slightly fade), in a world of mostly lower status men with less survival value. Duke young men, being men interested in hotness of prospective females first and foremost, can use game to meet women in bars, internships, the grocery store, church pews, bank, post office and everywhere else game is applied: practically anywhere. They can go to the internet (Ive read most new married couples actually met on the net somewhere……I think USA Today), other little community colleges and college bars around Durham, etc. Men don’t have a problem fucking and dating lower-status females as long as they aren’t trashy.
This leaves Duke women………………hoping to land very high status men of the better graduate programs of other area universities, young professional men, older professional men, and whatever else they can find.
This policy simply will increase the distrust between the young men and women of Duke and in fact put emnity between them.
Whats SAD in my opinion, is that its a genetic detriment to this nation. High IQ moms and dads usually breed high IQ offspring, the kind we need to create wealth, and create new jobs. At Duke, the average IQ is probably 120 or more at least. When parents like this give us 3 or 4 children, we all usually benefit from it. I wonder how many Maureen Dowds this policy will produce: Attractive, intelligent women (even if lefty in political persuasion)……..with no offspring. What a waste. I think women have a big problem in maintaining attraction for lower-earning men professionally.
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“In the past dozen years, nearly every woman to win the Academy Award for Best Actress has broken up with her husband, boyfriend or lover — some just months after thanking them from the award show stage.”
This proves absolutely nothing. Twelve years is a long time- most of them would have broken up anyway. Out of all the women you know, how many are still in the same relationship they were in twelve years ago?
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Ev’body, come listen to my songs!
I celebrate my obsession with men in positions of power and status with my new song:
http://feministx.blogspot.com/2010/04/my-heart-belongs-to-daddy.html
Genetics gives your psyche lemons. Feminita likes lemonade.
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The problem for high-status or higher-status seeking career women in America is compounded by the fact that they will typically waste their best years in graduate school or otherwise trying to ascend the corporate ladder, banging who knows what on their way up.
By the time they settle in to their professional career at age 30 and start trying to sell themselves, it’s too late for them to realize that few worthy males will be buying. It’s sad really.
It’s funny that Sex and the City came up. I’ve said amongst friends before that show has done more damage to my generation than people realize.
30 is the new 20? Sorry, ladies. Your ovaries betray you.
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“RX-78 Alex
What about maintaining high status via game? (ie. woman is CEO, but man holds upper hand via sheer force of personality despite being a starving artist/bartender/insert low status job here.)
[editor: yes. game is the great leveler.]”
Damn, I really need to up my level of game so I can find a hot and rich woman to fund my artistic endeavours.
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TRV, why not be a slave to one’s biology? It doesn’t mean that one has to be a slave to their baser urges. If one has the mental capacity to think long term, and of empire/nation building, then this is part of their nature as much as the desire to pee when one’s bladder is full.
If there is a problem, it is that not enough people are giving their nature enough credit. The cultural leaders apparently either don’t, or have malicious motives.
Perhaps they are to cull a sector of the population that could be trouble for them, before they are born.
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The fact remains that not many women believe the same thing that Roissy outlines here, because of feminism. So? All these “Alphas” are then pursing the same puss. That seems very limiting to me. I think half of these guys come on here pretending they are Alpha but remain Beta in their real lives. There is just no way to prevail in America today the way it is. I am scared to be here for the next decade and I’m a woman.
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“My advice for men who have a fetish about dating higher social status doctors and Fortune 500 executives and don’t much care about love: Marry them. In the inevitable divorce, you might walk away with more moolah than you brought.” – Chateau
Guys, listen to Roissy. This advice is very true, especially if you live in a lifetime alimony State like California or Massachusetts. This recent ABC Channel 5 special from Boston talks about Lifetime Alimony horror cases, and lo and behold, one of the lifetime payors is a woman.
Her husband now lives in a Cape Cod beach house with his young girlfriend, and this lady has to write them a check every month, for life!!! :
ABC Chronicle: Alimony Acrimony – Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AlimonyMassReform#p/u/3/b7JYsyChsWc
ABC Chronicle: Alimony Acrimony – Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AlimonyMassReform#p/u/0/Wl02qtkHUkw
ABC Chronicle: Alimony Acrimony – Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AlimonyMassReform#p/u/1/tuQox3nforA
ABC Chronicle: Alimony Acrimony – Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AlimonyMassReform#p/u/2/ewuTYSMxXWQ
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What I find so funny about liberals is that they insist on teaching Darwin in school, but then recoil in horror if anybody would like, you know, actually USE Darwinism in formulating plans.
But, back to this topic. I do think educated women think their education really counts for something with men. It doesn’t. My buddy told me one of his friend’s daughters just graduated with a dual major: Women’s Studies and Psychology.
We all had a great laugh. Think how much better off you would be in marrying a high school graduate who had worked for four years than that poor girl with a big debt and a big attitude.
So, about status. Most men care nothing for the “status” of their wives. They prefer low status wives for all the right reasons. Being their wife is all the status she needs.
BTW, Darwinism explains why we do things, but, really, Darwinism makes men do many stupid things. Roissy is right. Getting married is a bad idea. Wait until your are too old to enjoy the single life. I have no idea when that is.
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“High IQ moms and dads usually breed high IQ offspring, the kind we need to create wealth, and create new jobs. At Duke, the average IQ is probably 120 or more at least. When parents like this give us 3 or 4 children, we all usually benefit from it. I wonder how many Maureen Dowds this policy will produce: Attractive, intelligent women (even if lefty in political persuasion)……..with no offspring. What a waste. I think women have a big problem in maintaining attraction for lower-earning men professionally.”
Sadly, it’s not just the women – there are plenty of self-absorbed, clueless DINKs of this educational pedigree to around as well.
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@Grampa
What I find so funny about liberals is that they insist on teaching Darwin in school, but then recoil in horror if anybody would like, you know, actually USE Darwinism in formulating plans
This is very funny – and accurate. Clearly grandfatherhood hasn’t taken the edge off your wit.
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Grampa wisely observes, “What I find so funny about liberals is that they insist on teaching Darwin in school, but then recoil in horror if anybody would like, you know, actually USE Darwinism in formulating plans.”
That would make too much of something like sense, and people would start comparing it to nazism and pre DNA aware eugenics.
It might also make average people too aware of how they’re being herded.
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“One should not be a slave to their biology.”
Well that’s too bad because you are.
“So? Muslims and Mormons are also “successful” in that they breed like crazy. And religious people happier than atheists. Good for them. Studies also show people with a more cynical view of the world also have a more accurate view.”
Your inability to understand why demographic suicide is bad tells anyone who is reality-based that you are the real “lower being” of the human race.
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A short observation, if U will. As our society goes thru some difficult upheavals, who will protect the feminists when women are in danger? I, personally, won’t lift a finger to help such women. Kinda funny, however, Darwinian, isn’t it? If I saw a prominent feminist being raped, well, I wouldn’t pull my weapon to defend her. Not worth the inevitable trouble. U see, I’ve had to deal with such women in my professional life, and I have to ask – who wants such vile women? Masculine characteristics, indeed. Most of the men that I’m tight with feel the same way.
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Killerwhale, embracing Darwinism doesn’t make one superior. Natural selection is a fact of life that any dawinist should take care to remember that it applies to one’s self as well.
If you allow yourself to be neutered to any degree by the feminist ideologues, then you are proving that you are weaker than them. They have won a part of you.
Rape can do a variety of things to the victim, but it always does the same thing to the perpetrator. Sexual exploitation starts with entitlement and ends with pathetic parasitism. So when you see a rape, you’re not just seeing the victim being hurt. You’re seeing the perpetrator sacrifing an essential part of his humanity, like a junkie shooting up. If you care nothing for the victim and something for the perp, you should step in to save them both.
Feminists have been trying for a long time to stop women from being women and men from being men. If they’ve managed to turn off your species preservation impulses or drive to protect women or anyone else weaker than you, then you’ve lost something. You’ve really really lost something when you are okay with someone shitting on your table, which is what a rapist does.
He or she poops in the public (gene) pool that you’re swimming in.
…and I’m not letting women off the hook here. Now that there is birth control and legal abortion, I believe that sperm theft and fraud are on the same level as drugging and raping a man. I’ve lost female “friends” over that.
I don’t want to see either side become okay with sexual exploitation.
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“Perhaps American women are more materialistic.”
SD-
Depends on the city. The “higher ups” and almost all professionals travel by bus in DC. There’s no class that doesn’t use the bus system. Except for me, because I’m too lazy/busy/running late to check bus schedules so I just fetch a cab. But I do check out the handsome guys riding as well 🙂
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Re: Duke University
The net effect of their rules will be to create a dating environment about the same as found within a modern work place. That is to say, the only guys who would risk it are the ones with nothing to lose. The smart guys with a future will simply not go there. There are many schools full of hot women in the Durham area.
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@ sdaedalus
As (one of) the resident Heartland Boy(s), for whom childhood is one long 16-year countdown to getting a driver’s license, I must demur.
My cars are not only sacred redoubts of aftermarket self-expression, but also sanctuaries in which the deafening throb of the subwoofers can rejuvenate a soul shaken by the vagaries of a long day.
And, often, the souls of those stopped next to me at red lights.
I’d go crazy if public transit were my only option.
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The quote used as supporting evidence for this post is misleading. If you actually read the article in question, at least 50% of the women in question were being cheated on by their husbands. This is hardly the same as ‘losing respect/attraction for a lower status man after achieving greater social value.’
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Anouk
Except for me, because I’m too lazy/busy/running late to check bus schedules so I just fetch a cab.
This has been known to happen to me too.
Epoxy
My cars are not only sacred redoubts of aftermarket self-expression, but also sanctuaries in which the deafening throb of the subwoofers can rejuvenate a soul shaken by the vagaries of a long day….. I’d go crazy if public transit were my only option.
Yes, but three hours stuck in rainy gridlock is an insult to a nice car. It’s like taking a dog for a walk to the cafe next door.
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PS Epoxy, forgot to say we have a very low speed limit in our city centre at present, I think it is about 30 km per hour. This would add insult to injury for you.
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[I] rejuvenate… the souls of those stopped next to me at red lights
Yes, but think of how many more souls you would be able to rejuvenate if out of the car and walking in the open air, particularly in a crowded area.
Also, it sounds like you are a potential traffic nuisance, constantly causing delays at red lights. I always wondered why cars fail to start up when the light goes green, now I know.
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Yes, and I’m soooooo sure you have the metaphysical arguments to back that up. Where’s the roll eyes emoticon?
So what? If I’m an egotistical hedonist like Roissy, then I’ll be long dead before the Islamic hordes can force me to shout Allahu-Akbar! I have better things to do than urge Rawlsians to “have more babies!”
This is the thing about conservatives though: they’re in it to win it. Despite all their bullshit about individualism, they have the most primal and tribal tendencies. But hey, slave to biology and all that.
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@killerwhale52
A short observation, if U will. As our society goes thru some difficult upheavals, who will protect the feminists when women are in danger? I, personally, won’t lift a finger to help such women. Kinda funny, however, Darwinian, isn’t it? If I saw a prominent feminist being raped, well, I wouldn’t pull my weapon to defend her. Not worth the inevitable trouble. U see, I’ve had to deal with such women in my professional life, and I have to ask – who wants such vile women? Masculine characteristics, indeed. Most of the men that I’m tight with feel the same way.
Me too.
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@ Nicole:
If you allow yourself to be neutered to any degree by the feminist ideologues, then you are proving that you are weaker than them. They have won a part of you.
that’s ok. They’ve earned my deepest hatred. Don’t deny us the emotional satisfaction of watching them suffer, preferably long and with much misery. They’ve stolen my constitutional rights and this fellow doesn’t like that.
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Tyrone, everyone suffers, and everyone reaps the consequences of their actions.
Them, you, me…we all live on the planet Earth, and none of us escapes death.
It might help to put your hatred into context if you remember that they will all die eventually. On the way, they will reap the rewards that nature’s bounty gives to women in denial of their womanhood, and men cowering from their manhood.
Don’t be as stupid as they are, or you will suffer the same as them.
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TRV says, “Yes, and I’m soooooo sure you have the metaphysical arguments to back that up.”
Well, if you’re so convinced, you can try jumping off a building and overcoming your biology by flying.
…or you could use your biological brain, and build a hang glider.
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The best book I’ve ever read about the sociology of sexual relationships is John Townsend’s “What Women Want–What Men Want: Why the Sexes Still See Love and Commitment So Differently”. It’s based on sociology research, but written for laymen. Highly recommended for those of you interested in how game will fit into your entire life and philosophy. (Probably not useful for figuring out how to get laid this week, but read it anyway.)
The book devotes at least one full chapter to this status dynamic. One thing it makes clear is that, although it’s true that men are often threatened when the woman has higher status than the man, it’s almost invariably true that the women are MORE threatened by the same. Women can rarely sustain sexual attraction for lower-status men.
Remember that next time you hear a feminist talking about men feeling threatened blah blah.
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Scoop, Bhetti: You are confusing social status with sexual value. They are not correlated. When a woman’s social status goes up too high and her attractiveness goes down, she usually winds up alone, and that’s what might happen to Sandra Bullock. It’s why so many aging eighteenth-century female aristocrats entered convents.
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Nicole, ain’t so much a matter of hatred as it’s a decision to let them rot. As for normal women, well, I’ll step out into the sunlight for them, no problem. Feminazis aren’t worth normal social conventions. Ya know, I grew up in a very violent enviroment, and I’ve seen countless times just how karma works out. So, the point is that feminism is a cancer on the soul of our society, and if during the violent upheavals that are coming it becomes apparent that men decline to protect them, oh well….BTW, aren’t they the folks who are really anti-gun?
So, Nicole, I enjoy your comments, and I appreciate other points of view. Gonna give Ya a small clue about the mindset of men. Feminists are our sworn enemies, and we know it well. The ones that I’m aquainted with are seriously one note types. Misandry is actually a crippling mental disease, IMO. Men look at these women as an Darwinian dead end, if U will. Yes, from a long range viewpoint they will die alone, but the damage they’ve done to our society is truly abysmal. As for being neutered by feminism, ain’t gonna happen. If I was to find myself in a lifeboat with a feminist, well, as Bill Cosby once said, “How long can U tread water?”
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Nicole, after having thought about what U said about species preservation, my contention is that to preserve the species, forget the feminists. Tell ya a little story….Amongst the wild bunch of outlaws that I ran with down on the border, there was a fellow who had the habit of beating his wife. We decided that wasn’t cool, so, I helped dig the hole. Get the point? Normal men don’t have any use for the type of misogynist that he was. Common opinion was that if he would do that to a woman he professed love for, well, we couldn’t trust him.
Most of the men who post on this site have decided to bone the feminists whenever possible. I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about it, frankly. Ya see, Texas is a different sort of place.
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True enough, but it should be remembered that Americans and English are unique in their ability to make wild promises that they never, ever deliver on.
For example, why did Poland anger both Germany and Russia at once?
Because Chamberlain gave them an UNASKED FOR guarantee of protection which he then failed to honor!
On the other hand, during the Battle of Sedan, Napoleon III refused to retreat into Belgium, because it was “neutral territory”. Mind you, I don’t agree with him, but there is a universe of difference between an unasked for “Sure I’ll Protect You” then “What am I to do?” which was Chamberlain and Napoleon III endangering his throne over a point of conduct.
Some people are better than that…. like Miss Browning’s husband. And Miss Browning as well.
“How do I love you, let me count the ways”
She was the famous one, when they were alive. Robert Browning was relatively unknown during his life.
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Is this place
STILL where I come
to get the stench of “fail” off me
from hanging around The Spearhead???
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Jonathan: Had to go back and read what you were referring to. Yeah, I said it wrong. I’d like to think I was more thinking about the illusion of sexual value her elevated social status gave her. I was distinguishing the two, but not coherently.
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Killerwhale, I feel you. If someone is explicitly my enemy, I can take some joy in being cruel to them or allowing them to reap their “rewards” without my interference, so I do understand.
I was just pointing out that one’s own wellbeing is more important than that of an enemy. Some things, I could not stand by and let happen even to an enemy, without it damaging me.
In some cases, the damage is worth it, but in some cases not.
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My interpretation of the actress-oscar-fail phenom: to get the oscar, the woman has to put so much time and energy into pursuing her career that she no longer makes being his wife/lover her top priority. No self-respecting man is gonna let her make him her little bitch, so the relationship “withers on the vine.”
SDaedalus: “I think this is a little exaggerated. The sight of a good looking man always cheers SDaedalus up. In fact, as a non-driver, her complaint is that there aren’t enough good looking men travelling by bus these days.”
You are so cute.
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Bhetti: “I have a friend…”
Sample size = 1.
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Books for men, I just have to ask, Are you drunk?
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””””’Firepower
Is this place
STILL where I come
to get the stench of “fail” off me
from hanging around The Spearhead???
””””’
Failure is not an option.
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Roissy is right on the money with this article. Feminism would have worked if smart women with good employment opportunities could have let go their hypergamous instincts. Instead, women want to reach their highest levels of competence AND still date a man that is higher status than her.
Basically, this keeps a very bright fraction of educated, employed women from breeding, since these women cannot easily find a man with higher status than herself. Since 50% of intelligence is inhereted, that means that intelligence genes are not being passed on to future generations from smart mothers as was done in the past, when smart women/mothers were low status secretaries, nurses, or teachers and a man with higher status was much easier to find.
The mixture of women’s education and employment opportunity and female hypergamy is turning the west into a idiocracy.
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I dunno. I had no problem fucking & dating a chick who regularly goes on CNN and who (at the time) earned almost twice what I made. She now plans to marry a farmer who makes even less.
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It’s not hard to fuck girls who earn more. It’s harder to marry them. And even harder to not be emasculated or anyway frozen out be her after a bit by her if you do.
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Jeffrey: That’s more than enough to prove it, you know, happens. It’s not a theoretical possibility. The case was used to illustrate the point that if you were evaluating the cost of enslaving a woman versus purchasing the services of a prostitute, you need to calculate for the possibility that she could be paying your way.
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[…] Citizen Renegade: Opportunity is Everywhere, Want A Happy Relationship? Make Sure Your Woman Never Rises Above Your Status […]
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Happened to a friend of mine. He has to pay a little a month for his crotch fruit (don’t ask me why), but his wife had to pay out $100k for his share of the house, even though he never paid into it.
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[…] Chateau – “Relationship Limbo“, “Opportunity is Everywhere“, “Want a Happy Relationship? Make Sure Your Woman Never Rises Above Your Status” […]
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@Jeffrey of Troy
You are so cute
Thank you Jeffrey, you are very kind to say so.
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An intriguing read.
One thing that struck me: those Oscar-winning actresses, who break up with their partners, where do they go from there? Can they only hook-up with other Oscar winners? CEOs? Nobel-winning scientists?
I remember Jennifer Lopez’ first husband was a blue-collar type of guy and I think her ‘handlers’ put pressure on her to divorce and get somebody more PR-worthy. A damned shame.
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Your blog has been one of my favorites of all time. … Thanks for writing such a great blog. I always enjoyed reading it,
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I hate to disagree with Roissy (seriously, when was the last time a commenter disagreed with Roissy and was not completely fucking wrong?), but I’ve gotta say, Roissy, I might have a different perspective based on my infield experience of being a physically unattractive man. I’ve seen your picture, bro, and you’re a good looking dude.
“if you have tight game but lack the looks to easily acquire auditions to demonstrate your game, you’ll want to focus on environments with few other men around, like day game or really any venue on a night besides Friday or Saturday night”
Confidence and knowing how to act like a man instead of a beta will make any ugly guy’s successes improve. And nothing gives you confidence like knowing you can take on pretty boys with half a foot of height on you. Of course you’ve got to be somewhere where the music isn’t so loud you can’t talk, but to any average looking guys out there, I’ve gotta say: get out there and mix it up with the good looking guys.
Knowing that all those hunks and pretty boys have nothing on you gives you a masculine confidence that’s hard to acquire any other way.
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@killerwhale52
Accessory to murder are you, or did I misinterpret that?
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It’s either status or value , (or “percieved value) or both.
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Also , as far as women with status go , if they think that they actually have more options or choice they are kidding themselves.
This explains why better than I ever could.
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The more realistic and usefull path for modern women that want to get married and have kids and a career should be as follows.
High School.
University
Marriage and Kids
Career
Putting career before getting married and having kids and you end up with women 30+ past their physical peak , with unrealistic expectations, rapidly approaching infertility and having to compete for men whom are more interested in the women 10 years younger than them.
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