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Descent Of Man

April 22, 2010 by CH

A couple of years ago two neuroscientists wrote a book about a supposedly little-studied extinct group of humans whose bones were found in South Africa. A very large skull with child-like facial features was discovered, and the skeleton was dubbed “Boskop Man”.

The scientific community of South Africa was small, and before long the skull came to the attention of S. H. Haughton, one of the country’s few formally trained paleontologists. He reported his findings at a 1915 meeting of the Royal Society of South Africa. “The cranial capacity must have been very large,” he said, and “calculation by the method of Broca gives a minimum figure of 1,832 cc [cubic centimeters] .” The Boskop skull, it would seem, housed a brain perhaps 25 percent or more larger than our own.

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Might the very large Boskop skull be an aberration? Might it have been caused by hydrocephalus or some other disease? These questions were quickly preempted by new discoveries of more of these skulls.

As if the Boskop story were not already strange enough, the accumulation of additional remains revealed another bizarre feature: These people had small, childlike faces. Physical anthropologists use the term pedomorphosis to describe the retention of juvenile features into adulthood. This phenomenon is sometimes used to explain rapid evolutionary changes. For example, certain amphibians retain fishlike gills even when fully mature and past their water-inhabiting period. Humans are said by some to be pedomorphic compared with other primates.Our facial structure bears some resemblance to that of an immature ape. Boskop’s appearance may be described in terms of this trait. A typical current European adult, for instance, has a face that takes up roughly one-third of his overall cranium size. Boskop has a face that takes up only about one-fifth of his cranium size, closer to the proportions of a child. Examination of individual bones confirmed that the nose, cheeks, and jaw were all childlike.

An extinct race of humans much smarter than us? Possibly killed off by their less evolved, savage human neighbors? Curious, I did a web search on the Boskops and found a debunking of sorts of the book by John Hawks.

That is pretty much where matters have stood ever since. “Boskopoid” is used only in this historical sense; it is has not been an active unit of analysis since the 1950’s. By 1963, Brothwell could claim that Boskop itself was nothing more than a large skull of Khoisan type, leaving the concept of a “Boskop race” far behind.

Today, skeletal remains from South African LSA are generally believed to be ancestral to historic peoples in the region, including the Khoikhoi and San. The ancient people did not mysteriously disappear: they are still with us! The artistic legacy of the ancient peoples, clearly evidenced in rock art, is impressive but no more so than that of the European Upper Paleolithic or that of indigenous Australians.

And their brains were not all that big. Boskop itself is a large skull, but it is a clear standout in the sample of ancient South African crania; other males range from 1350 to 1600 ml (these are documented by Henneberg and Steyn 1993). That is around the same as Upper Paleolithic Europeans and pre-Neolithic Chinese. LSA South Africans fit in with their contemporaries around the world.

To be sure, there has been a reduction in the average brain size in South Africa during the last 10,000 years, and there have been parallel reductions in Europe and China — pretty much everywhere we have decent samples of skeletons, it looks like brains have been shrinking. This is something I’ve done quite a bit of research on, and will continue to do so, because it’s interesting. But it is hardly a sign that ancient humans had mysterious mental powers — it is probably a matter of energetic efficiency (brains are expensive), developmental time (brains take a long time to mature) and diet (brains require high protein and fat consumption, less and less available to Holocene populations).

OK, so Boskop Man is not a separate human lineage. But at least one sample did have a very big skull. (According to the authors of the book, numerous other skeletons with oversized skulls were found in the dig area.) Was it then possible that a small tribe of very smart ancients in South Africa once existed? Did they suffer from a disease? Or were they just exceptional individuals on the upper end of skull sizes for their time?

Hawks mentions the fact that brains have been shrinking over time across the world. I have also read that Neandertals had larger brain volumes than modern humans. These leads to all sorts of depressing conjecture. Is it possible we are getting stupider? Our cultural achievements would suggest otherwise, but maybe Neandertals would have accomplished even greater intellectual feats than modern humans had they been born during a time with a supportive industrial infrastructure.

And is there an upper limit on just how smart humans can get? As brain volumes grow, women’s pelvises must grow wider in proportion, otherwise more big-brained infants die during childbirth. But very wide-hipped women would have trouble walking or running, not to mention they would look sexually grotesque to men searching for a mate. Northeast Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are known to have the highest average IQs in the world. Do their women have correspondingly greater than average hip widths to accommodate all those big brained babies?

Because of this inherent pelvic width limitation, there may be (anti)evolutionary forces at work that select against smarter babies. The direction of evolution is not necessarily one of progress; it is, instead, in the direction of survival and replication. Which is not synonymous with ever-expanding intelligence. A sobering thought that we could just as easily devolve backward to a more aggressive distant ancestor archetype than evolve forward into bulbous headed little grey men. Not to say that there couldn’t be ways around the pelvic trap. If the selection forces for smarts are strong enough (and in a cognitively demanding society like ours the evidence for smarts selection has disappeared under the lower fertility rate of educated women), then perhaps Darwinian expedience will jerry-rig a system to ensure our brains can continue growing larger. Maybe by moving most of the skull and brain growth post-natally, or rewiring the neurons to become more efficient.

Anyhow, it’s amusing to wonder if there was an ancient human population much smarter than our own who were killed off by the envious and aggressive idiocrats in their midst at the time. Is that what happened to the Neandertals?

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  1. on April 22, 2010 at 9:55 am Xamuel

    Since when did brain size correspond to intelligence… you know who have really huge-ass brains? Whales.

    Brains are always compared to computers, so the evolution to smaller brains should be seen as a good thing, like the evolution from mainframes to PCs to cellphones.

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  2. on April 22, 2010 at 9:58 am dragnet

    “The direction of evolution is not necessarily one of progress; it is, instead, in the direction of survival and replication.”

    If more people understood this, then people wouldn’t fight over half the shit they do.

    Seriously. Everyone from HBDers to politicians need have this drilled into their skulls.

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  3. on April 22, 2010 at 10:05 am Cannon's Canon

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  4. on April 22, 2010 at 10:07 am Reader

    “The physical facts Entine reviews are quite well known. Compared to Whites, Blacks have narrower hips which gives them a more efficient stride. They have a shorter sitting height which provides a higher center of gravity and a better balance. They have wider shoulders, less body fat, and more muscle. Their muscles include more fast twitch muscles which produce power. Blacks have from 3 to 19% more of the sex hormone testosterone than Whites or East Asians. The testosterone translates into more explosive energy.

    Entine points out that these physical advantages give Blacks the edge in sports like boxing, basketball, football, and sprinting. However, some of these race differences pose a problem for Black swimmers. Heavier skeletons and smaller chest cavities limit their performance. Race differences show up early in life. Black babies are born a week earlier than White babies, yet they are more mature as measured by bone development. By age five or six, Black children excel in the dash, the long jump, and the high jump, all of which require a short burst of power. By the teenage years, Blacks have faster reflexes, as in the famous knee-jerk response. East Asians run even less well than Whites. The same narrow hips, longer legs, more muscle, and more testosterone that give Blacks an advantage over Whites, give Whites an advantage over East Asians. But admitting these genetic race differences in sports leads to the greater taboo area — race differences in brain size and crime. That is why it is taboo to even say that Blacks are better at many sports. The reason why Whites and East Asians have wider hips than Blacks, and so make poorer runners is because they give birth to larger brained babies. During evolution, increasing cranial size meant women had to have a wider pelvis. Further, the hormones that give Blacks an edge at sports makes them restless in school and prone to crime.”

    In: RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR:

    A Life History Perspective
    2nd Special Abridged Edition
    Professor J. Philippe Rushton
    University of Western Ontario
    London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2

    http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

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  5. on April 22, 2010 at 10:11 am Basil Rancid

    a) To the above commenter, brain size correlates strongly with intelligence. You know what has very small brains in comparison to their body size? Whales.

    b) What you mention towards the end, about promoting post-natal brain development, is true. Babies pop out at the optimal point when their brains cannot grow larger without harming the mother, but their skulls continue to grow. That their skulls have not fused yet, and won’t for a while, requires considerable parental investment. Extensive investment like that is only selectively advantageous in a K-selection type scenario (stable environment at carrying capacity). This leads to one of Rushton’s points about human racial differences – blacks have smaller braincases than whites, who have smaller braincases than Asians. Blacks undergo all their major physiological milestones (like the fusing of their fontanelles) before whites, who in turn do so before Asians. Point is, evolutionary pressures can maximize brain size, even beyond pelvis limitations, in the right circumstances, bot those do not hold universally.

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  6. on April 22, 2010 at 10:15 am Chris

    Brain size corrected for body size is a rough indicator of intelligence. A whale has a big brain and a big body, whereas a human has a relatively large brain compared to his body size. Obviously, this is an overly simplistic way of approaching the issue. Neuronal density and efficiency of neuronal organization in brains likely plays a role as well.

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  7. on April 22, 2010 at 10:16 am Hannah

    I have read that one of the traits humans are currently evolutionarily selecting for is larger heads. It used to be that our head size was restricted by hip width — but now thanks to the prevalence of C-sections, babies with bigger heads are not dying and killing their mothers in childbirth.

    Brain size usually correlates with intelligence – but then it also depends on the relative sizes of the brain sections. So our selection for larger heads doesn’t necessarily mean selecting for smarts.

    But what it does mean is that we are selecting for women be unable to give birth naturally. Our technology is changing our species. So hopefully we won’t fall into another Dark Age or there will be lots of dead mothers and babies.

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  8. on April 22, 2010 at 10:19 am Reader

    @Chris: You are right.

    “AT EINSTEIN’s autopsy in 1955, his brain was something of a disappointment: it turned out to be a tad smaller than the average Joe’s. Indeed, later studies have suggested a minimal link between brain size and intelligence. It seems brain quality rather than quantity is key.

    One important factor seems to be how well our neurons can talk to each other. Martijn van den Heuvel, a neuroscientist at Utrecht University Medical Center in the Netherlands, found that smarter brains seem to have more efficient networks between neurons – in other words, it takes fewer steps to relay a message between different regions of the brain. That could explain about a third of the variation in a population’s IQ, he says.

    Another key factor is the insulating fatty sheath encasing neuron fibres, which affects the speed of electrical signals. Paul Thompson at the University of California, Los Angeles, has found a correlation between IQ and the quality of the sheaths (The Journal of Neuroscience, vol 29, p 2212).

    We still don’t know exactly how much genes contribute to intelligence, with various studies coming up with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 per cent. This wide range of estimates might have arisen because genes contribute more to IQ as we get older, according to a study published last year. By comparing the intelligence of 11,000 pairs of twins, Robert Plomin of King’s College London found that at age 9, genes explain 40 per cent of the variation, but by 17 they account for roughly two-thirds (Molecular Psychiatry, DOI: 10.1038/mp.2009.55).

    How could that be? Perhaps the genes affect how our brain rewires itself as we mature. Alternatively, they may dictate whether someone is likely to seek out stimulating experiences to help their brain grow and develop. “If we are predisposed to have a talent, we may actively seek out an environment to suit it,” says Thompson.”

    “Picking our brains: Why are some people smarter?” at http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627541.700-picking-our-brains-why-are-some-people-smarter.html

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  9. on April 22, 2010 at 10:28 am OstroNova

    Roissy, great minds think alike: I was just preparing the following and now you’ve given me context:

    The Neanderthal in You

    That title comes from the great Steve Sailer‘s link to this incredible news about human origins and evolution: Humans and Neanderthals played hide-the-bone, and the Neanderthal genes are still around.

    This news, by the way, does not apply to Africans. When a tiny group of modern humans left Africa around 60,000 years ago (according to one of the latest estimates), their descendants eventually spread to every corner of the globe, and are the ancestors of all humans on the planet today except Africans, whose ancestors, of course, remained on the mother continent. (Humans evenutally ran into the Neanderthals outside of Africa.) The first and most fundamental split on the human family tree is between Africans and everyone else. (Thanks again to Steve for popularizing and explaining this little-known fact many years ago, although you can find it on certain science-oriented websites if you look long and hard with a magnifying glass. I’m preparing a blog post on this sort of thing.)

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  10. on April 22, 2010 at 10:29 am Tool

    “Maybe by moving most of the skull and brain growth post-natally”

    Actually, this is what already happens in humans. IIRC unlike any other primates, the human brain continues its development after birth. Precisely because an adult-sized brain will not pass through the birth canal intact.

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  11. on April 22, 2010 at 10:31 am nosesandsight

    So, there is a relatively week correlation between brain size and intelligence. The actual object of concern should be the total mass of the cortex–that crinkly sheet of tissue on the top of your brain. It’s almost impossible to figure out the cortex size in relation to the brain cavity when you the remains of a human relative.

    A last note on brains. The complexity of this apparatus far exceeds our ability to understand it. While significant leaps have been made in neuroscience within the last 30 years, much of what happens inside of your head is still a mystery.

    Basically, take these kind of things with a grain of salt.

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  12. on April 22, 2010 at 10:37 am John

    You quote neuroscientists in your opening paragraph and then completely thorugh neuroscience out of the window. The advantage of the human brain today is adaptability and the plasticity of the human brain. When people are born with impairments such as blindness or deafness the brain areas that would correspond to processing them would instead be shifted to do something else. As the modern human visual/auditory/nervous system developed you didn’t need as large a brain because you were able to process each of them faster, in larger volume and more efficiently.

    Plus did you know the brain is selfish with blood supply and energy needs? Not to mention your concept of us possibly de-evolving is wrong, natural selection doesn’t work that way. If there were a group of the population with a smaller brain volume and another with a larger brain volume, and some sort of disease killed off those with larger brain volume then that would be natural selection. However modern humans just devolving into creatures with smaller brains? It’s not likely and probably impossible.

    Also once again skull size does not directly correspond with brain volume, and even if it did evidence points that modern brains are much more dense. And people are stupider today? I know kids in my high school who take linear algebra, differential equations, plasma physics, calculus III some of who took them during middle school. It’s not that people are becoming stupider as a whole, its that the smart people are becoming smarter and the stupid people stay stupid. Once again they may have had a larger brain back then but the brain wasn’t smart enough to work with advanced things. Think about it, modern humans evolved around 200,000 years ago, YET ONLY IN THE LAST 5,000 YEARS STEAM POWER, ELECTRICITY, COMPUTER MICROCHIPS, ATOMIC POWER, SPACE EXPLORATION TECHNOLOGY, MATHEMATICS, COMPLEX ENGINEERING ALL CAME ABOUT. Look at this timeline of human evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution the genus “homo” came about 2.5 million years and they used tools. But like I said in the last 5,000 years we had a freaking outburst knowledge, critical thinking and pure science. You’re saying we are devolving at a point when we’re doing more than has been ever done, and in such a short amount of time. Maybe in D.C. where you live the shits hitting the fan with stupidity but the rest of the world moves on becoming smarter and smarter. I thought you were better than this.

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  13. on April 22, 2010 at 10:42 am Tool

    Correction: Every other primate essentially doubles its brain size after birth. Humans *triple* their brain size after birth.
    What set humans apart is that all other mammals, even other primates, the brain size growth declines after birtk. In humans the brain continues its same embryonic growth rate for another year.

    “”Humans are simply born too early in their development, at the time when their heads will still fit through their mothers’ birth canals. As babies’ brains grow, during this extrauterine year of fetal life, so do their bodies. About the time of the infant’s first birthday, the period of fetal brain growth terminates, coinciding with the beginnings of speech and the mastery of erect posture and bipedal walking.” Walker, Alan and Pat Shipman, 1996, The Wisdom of the Bones, (New York: Alfred Knopf).

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  14. on April 22, 2010 at 10:43 am Doug1

    Chateau

    If the selection forces for smarts are strong enough (and in a cognitively demanding society like ours the evidence for smarts selection has disappeared under the lower fertility rate of educated women), then perhaps Darwinian expedience will jerry-rig a system to ensure our brains can continue growing larger. Maybe by moving most of the skull and brain growth post-natally, or rewiring the neurons to become more efficient.

    There is speculation and I believe a bit of so far non conclusive evidence that there was some very limited amounts of Neanderthal and homo sapiens in Europe and probably elsewhere. Some introgression of Neanderthal genes. John Hawks is one of those doing this speculating and is I think among the leaders in this line of thought. Razib considers it highly plausible too. Part of this speculation is that homo sapiens retained and fixed at large frequencies those few genes including those mediating smarts that were most helpful to us. Greater memory capacity perhaps. Whatever.

    It does seem likely that Neanderthals and homo sapiens COULD interbreed, just that they didn’t that much. Neaderthals probably looked really ugly to our ancestors, too ape like. There was no PC to mediate these feelings of them being hostile aliens of another species but rather intense band and tribal taboos. (Yes many named or declared separate species that aren’t very anciently separate can interbreed. Horses and zebras can for example. Other examples. )

    As well it’s likely that if brain size did decrease in our recent past, last few 10k years in some areas that was because indeed greater internal folding or other complexity/ tweeks were offloading some of the need for larger brain size. As well the Cochran and Harpendig hypothesized rapid evolution of somewhat higher IQ among Askenazi Jews due to their occupational niches within christian Euro societies, they say was like overclocking a processor — changes in genes effecting nerve insulation and nerve impulse speed when one is expressed in the child create the effect, but when two Guacher’s brain disease is the result. And yuup thats way more common among Askenazi Jews than others.

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  15. on April 22, 2010 at 10:47 am feministx.blogspot.com

    Thanks for this post. Cool to see you branch out.

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  16. on April 22, 2010 at 10:49 am Polymath

    Recent genome work by Harpending, Cochran et al has shown that human evolution has greatly accelerated in the last 10,000 years. Many of these adaptations are for greater intelligence. Until the 20th century, greater intelligence led to greater reproductive success almost universally in human societies.

    But things are different now. Being dumb is much less likely to prevent you from living long enough to reproduce, and being smart is much more likely to allow you to secure your retirement without having lots of kids to ensure some will be around to care for you. The last 100 years are different from the previous 10,000.

    Fortunately, cultural and technological changes are outpacing dysgenic evolution, so life will probably continue to get better overall even as the average IQ starts to fall. But this is not a sure thing. The current political trends in the USA are sparking a backlash and will likely be halted, but if they weren’t then they would destroy the country within one or two generations, and the rest of the world would be much worse off as a consequence.

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  17. on April 22, 2010 at 10:50 am Tarl

    t’s amusing to wonder if there was an ancient human population much smarter than our own who were killed off by the envious and aggressive idiocrats in their midst at the time. Is that what happened to the Neandertals?

    Who knows, but it’s definitely fun to play the Broud and Ayla game…

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  18. on April 22, 2010 at 10:53 am Ed

    You don’t need larger hips to give birth anymore. See C-Section stats in the USA:
    http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10456

    Is this the end of feminine looking women (read large hips)? Do men still choose to mate with women with larger hips?

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  19. on April 22, 2010 at 10:53 am OhioStater

    I don’t think we could paint a ceiling like the Sistine Chapel. That genius is relegated to the past (guys like Michelangelo didn’t reproduce) and no amount of money can correct that.

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  20. on April 22, 2010 at 10:57 am Doug1

    Tool–

    Humans *triple* their brain size after birth.

    Yeah. And there’s no bio-mechanical reason we couldn’t *quadruple* our brain size after birth.

    The reason we aren’t evolving eugenically to be smarter anymore in the West, though there’s good reason to think we were until recently*, is that there isn’t selective pressure favoring the surviving offspring of the brighter anymore. That is the poor and their progeny aren’t dying off the way the used to. The welfare state. The poor produce more children than the upper middle class on up, and they about all survive too due to medicaid and socialized medicine. Meanwhile feminism and the high cost of real estate in good school districts away from PC demanded integration w/poorer and educationally unmotivated NAM’s who are nearby when non-NAMs (whites and Asians) live in more affordable places, has lowered birthrates among the more intelligent and not co-incidentally, more affluent.

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    * See Cocharan and Harpendings “The Last 10,000 Years” on how we’ve seem more evolutionary change in that period than in the prior 50k or more years. Including probably increases in intelligence. See also historian Gregory Clark’s well received “A Farewell to Alms” which theorizes that the selection of certain traits of middle level farmers and the middling classes in England,and their greater surviving fecundity that those below or above, in medieval and late medieval times helped lay the groundwork for the Industrial Revolution.

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  21. on April 22, 2010 at 10:58 am Chi-town

    “b) What you mention towards the end, about promoting post-natal brain development, is true. Babies pop out at the optimal point when their brains cannot grow larger without harming the mother, but their skulls continue to grow. That their skulls have not fused yet, and won’t for a while, requires considerable parental investment.”

    This is the reason behind long term monogamy in humans and why it is uniquely human. However it looks like we have to go through some coo coo socialism and destroy ourselves first before we get back on track.

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  22. on April 22, 2010 at 11:00 am PA

    God (or nature if you prefer) has a way of ensuring that humans never get too big for our britches and transcend our mud & blood physicality. Thus, it is ensured that there will be no transhumanism or any other Towers of Babel by man’s works. Therefore a supersmart human race will not be allowed to evolve. We shall not become angels.

    Which is fine by me. I like our physical existence and human nature, my own in particular.

    The other good news is that God/nature also ensures that we will not slide retrograde on the evolutinary path and become stupid ugly morlocks. In the end, the violent and the dull will find themselves in an unsustainable predicament. So we’ll not become beasts either.

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  23. on April 22, 2010 at 11:03 am Doug1

    Polymath

    The last 100 years are different from the previous 10,000.

    Yes, socialist/Marxist ‘moral’ impulses implemented through the welfare state, are literally and in a very real way, degrading the genes of the species.

    The cultural Marxists have made any kind of eugenics, however non violent, anathema to think or talk about. So with the welfare state dysgenics, or the outbreeding by the less fit in surviving selective pressures because they are shielded from partial or total failure in the competition, by various kinds of welfare, or more broadly by being net tax eaters rather than net payers. Thus dysgenics proliferates.

    See the movie “Idiocracy”.

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  24. on April 22, 2010 at 11:05 am Doug1

    PA–

    In the end, the violent and the dull will find themselves in an unsustainable predicament. So we’ll not become beasts either.

    Not so long as we support their existence and even prolific breeding by the welfare state, they won’t find themselves in that predicament.

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  25. on April 22, 2010 at 11:06 am dana

    ohio,

    the genius involved in hi g fields today is orders of magnitude greater than that of michaelangelo in his time

    genius like that had no place to go back then BESIDES the arts. there was no real science or math yet, at best there was architecture. as each new field of human knowledge opened up all of the g factor of the time flowed into it, leaving the previous high g field to latecomer imitators and “experimenters”–thats why these things never die, they just start to become hackneyed or outright bad. for example, classical music is still around, but does anyone care? no — all the iq flooded out of the field years ago and into newer fields of math, physics, engineering, computer programming, video game design, etc

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  26. on April 22, 2010 at 11:17 am PA

    Doug: when the benefactor pulls the plug for whatever reason (scarcity, change in priorities), then mass droughts, starvations, disease, and savagery will cull the inflated numbers of the stupid & violent.

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  27. on April 22, 2010 at 11:18 am Doug1

    Reader–

    We still don’t know exactly how much genes contribute to intelligence, with various studies coming up with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 per cent.

    What’s usually little mentioned is that a large part, generally the majority in environments that aren’t severely nutritionally or social stimulus deprived, of the environmental/cultural part that maybe isn’t completely genetically determined, is also intractable. It comes from things like the IQ of your early childhood parents or caregivers and their size of vocabulary. Not easily changeable by interventions without ripping apart the fabric of human societies with probably worse overall effects.

    In general most studies and meta studies and presentations are hugely biased towards emphasizing the environmental side, and/or not overclaiming for the gene side.

    As well in cases of severe deprevation, “environmental factors” can cripple the full expression and development of the genetic potential. But contrary to fervent hopes for 100 years and more of radical equalists, this simply isn’t nearly as true of finer tuning of the educational imputs. Yes some difference but not huge. Learning to read and write and being exposed to vocabulary and math problems in school will exercise your brain and make you smarter than if you hadn’t done those things. But doing them at a very high level of teaching only makes some little difference in IQ over a much lower level, though of course it does make a huge difference in amounts and quality of academic material learned.

    There are few things American lie to themselves about more, over the racial divides most of all but not just that, than the determinative importance of very good schools on IQ, or the lack of importance of innate but roulette wheel at conception, genetics.

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  28. on April 22, 2010 at 11:22 am Dalrock

    It would seem likely that initial increases in intelligence were the result of larger brains. Since large brains came at a high cost, there was strong selective pressure to achieve the same result in with smaller, more efficient brains.

    Also, specific technologies seem to set a floor at minimum intelligence one needs to fully participate in society. Today if you can’t read, you can’t text, email, etc. Literacy has long been important in western culture, but I would expect this requirement to be even more critical. I’ve read amazing stories of people who faked it just a few decades ago, but how would you possibly hide your illiteracy in today’s society? My guess is this sets a floor on reproduction (at least for men) even in our ghettos.

    I can imagine less flashy technologies impacting our early ancestors. The first guy to be able to design working bone/stone tools, tan leather, etc. probably got a lot of tail. Eventually as more of the men could do this it probably became a minimum requirement to be seen as a fit member of society. If 80% of the tribe is wearing skins they tanned and processed with their own tools, and your ass is naked or covered by another man’s cast offs, how can you not seem like a retard?

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  29. on April 22, 2010 at 11:23 am GdI

    All very interesting but I miss Roissy, whose near-daily offerings were that rarest of things online: unique. Funny, pithy, deeply irreverent, yet also profoundly based on a coherent and totally counterrevolutionary (and utterly reality-based) worldview. As Ken Tynan said, “Write heresy, pure heresy …” And so it was.

    Occasional forays into paleo-punk politics and HBD-istan are are well and good, but Citizen Renegade ain’t doing it. This Roissy-lite-by-committee thing ain’t working.

    Bring back The Dark Lord!

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  30. on April 22, 2010 at 11:35 am greatbooksformen

    omg yes lozlzlzlzlzlzlzl!!

    i bet they were smart (those south african dudeds with the big brains roissy is taling about) and stuff and all my ancestors gathered round them and went lzozlzlz 9zlz lzo9zlzozzlzlzozlz zlz lzozzllzlz…

    they were probably paionting refined paintings and coming up with mosaic moral codes about not lying and cheeating, and they probably wrote about honor and ocurage and piety and character and coviction in great epic literature like virgil’s aeneid and homer’s odyssey lzozlzozlzozlzlzozlzlzozlz

    and along came the neocon apes and mama boyz jonah goldbergs and ugly betty charlotte allens and the neocons invented commercial divorce courts and feminism to deconstruct and destory all classical, epic, exalted lietrature and freedom and truth and the soul because they were so jealous they exalted anal sexers and secretive tapers of butthex such as tucker max who videotapes anal sessions without the girl’s success and then profits from it as teh weekly standard repreats tucker max’s butthex pr lies about his hieght and success in their pages instead of saluting true american heroes dying and bleeding to death on foreign wars in foreign shores lzozlzoz.zozlzozlzozoz and then charlotte allen would correct the grammar of the superior beings and would be given much laudation and shiznit from jonah goldberg’s neocon mom luciane goldberg. lzxolzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlz lzozlzolzlzoz.zzozlzozozlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzozz zl

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  31. on April 22, 2010 at 11:37 am The Rookie

    humans today do more with smaller brains. go figure.

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  32. on April 22, 2010 at 11:57 am sdaedalus

    History is written by the victors. Perhaps the Neanderthals have been unfairly vilified. Genetic cloning using material from Neanderthal bones (surely being done now in secret Afghan labs; grave-robbing of Neanderthal sites is on the increase worldwide) might resolve the issue.

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  33. on April 22, 2010 at 11:58 am sdaedalus

    Alternatively, it might lead to all of us being extinguished by the New Neanderthals, what irony.

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  34. on April 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm The Specimen

    The skeletons they found were probably just suffering from elephantitis of the head. I personally suffer from elephantitis of the cock and balls.

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  35. on April 22, 2010 at 12:08 pm Jabberwocky

    “Therefore a supersmart human race will not be allowed to evolve. We shall not become angels. ”

    That’s not what God told me through the language of science. Do not blasphemy what you do not understand.

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  36. on April 22, 2010 at 12:09 pm Jonathan

    Hawks’ 10,000 year timeline for skull shrinkage coincides nicely with three other things that started 10,000 years ago: (1) agriculture, (2) humans driving the megafauna to extinction, and (3) the beginning of an interglacial in our current ice age (which probably helped beget agriculture).

    It is overwhelmingly clear from the archaeological record that wherever humans switched from hunter-gathering to agriculture, our health deteriorated radically. We lost a foot in height (not regained until the 20th century), and our bones became narrower and thinner. In particular, our pelvises and jaws narrowed. With less meat in our diet (and the fattiest sources of meat extinct), we had less fat available to build brains.

    The narrower pelvises made childbirth very dangerous (which it remains today), and was probably a powerful driver for evolution to favor smaller skulls. (I won’t speculate on whether that made us dumber or not.)

    If you have a daughter and want to raise her to have a trouble-free childbirth, keep her away from sugar and wheat until she’s grown, and make sure she gets lots of animal fat (for the fat-soluble vitamins, especially K2). This advice will also increase the likelihood of full jaw development and straight teeth. (See Weston Price’s book for details.)

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  37. on April 22, 2010 at 12:23 pm Firepower

    Anyhow, it’s amusing to wonder if there was an ancient human population much smarter than our own who were killed off by the envious and aggressive idiocrats in their midst at the time. Is that what happened to the Neandertals?

    The best evidence we have of replicating the result is to view the ostensible pinnacle of human achievement: Civilization. City living.

    In view of cities’ decay into atavism, the trend indicates Boskop-itaztion will repeat.

    Trenchant historical observation, curiously, seems to be most astutely written…when it’s long past.

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  38. on April 22, 2010 at 12:28 pm Abe

    VAHDL

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  39. on April 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm Anonymous

    Descent of woman:

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  40. on April 22, 2010 at 12:46 pm Will

    Re: Basil Rance —

    You wrote,

    “a) To the above commenter, brain size correlates strongly with intelligence. You know what has very small brains in comparison to their body size? Whales.”

    Sorry, but that’s just dead wrong.

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  41. on April 22, 2010 at 1:15 pm Willy Wonka

    What the hell is Roissy talking about?

    When does brain size = IQ?

    It really depends on what you consider intelligence and functionality…. I’m sure neaderthals knew a lot more about which animals shit and scent that is coming from over there than the average human does now… but if they took an IQ test today they’d pass for mentally retarded.

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  42. on April 22, 2010 at 1:17 pm Jabberwocky

    Size and sophistication of the brain both help in intelligence. It isn’t an either/or scenerio.

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  43. on April 22, 2010 at 1:18 pm Jabberwocky

    Not to mention there are different types of intelligence and different types of stupidity.

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  44. on April 22, 2010 at 1:30 pm psycho

    The reason why humans don’t evolve continually larger brains is the trade-off for females walking upright. Walking upright means a woman has to have a small enough vagina so the fetus doesn’t spill out during upright activity.

    This was the dumbed down version, but this is a settled discussion from decades ago. I could go on about how the mineral iron, male verbal capacity (brain size/seducing women) and high rates of women dieing during childbirth due to baby brain size all tie together, but just read Sex, Time and Power.

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  45. on April 22, 2010 at 1:32 pm Anonymous

    @Jonathan
    “This advice will also increase the likelihood of full jaw development and straight teeth.”

    Then some of these guys will say she has a manjaw. Maybe it was just good childhood nutrition.

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  46. on April 22, 2010 at 1:39 pm Doug1

    Jonathan

    It is overwhelmingly clear from the archaeological record that wherever humans switched from hunter-gathering to agriculture, our health deteriorated radically. We lost a foot in height (not regained until the 20th century), and our bones became narrower and thinner. In particular, our pelvises and jaws narrowed. With less meat in our diet (and the fattiest sources of meat extinct), we had less fat available to build brains.

    That’s true of the bulk of the population of agricultural societies — the peasants and serfs. What agriculture did allow was a huge population explosion due to huge amounts of calories w/the bare survival necessities in an agriculture suitable area. That large and sedentary agricultural population could also and was everywhere religion induced and/or rival power conquored to support luxury among a ruling and priestly and to some extent warrior class, and also merchant class trading mostly for the upper classes. This was supported by fairly thin taxation on a great many serfs. Well with no or little effective birth control and children useful in fields they’d expand in number without the taxation to be just as near starvation at least in hard times as per Malthus, anyway. Taxation just held the level of increase in pop cyclically steady at a lower total pop level, to feed and luxuriate the thin in number upper classes. Of Ur and Sumer in Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt, and Mohenjo Daro. and so on.

    This meatless diet or nearly so is not true of the rulers or their most valuable advisers and top military officers and middlemen, or as they arose, rich merchants either. They ate lots of meat, more the higher up or richer. The aristo class was almost everywhere also sport hunters who did eat their kills. this was true from Arabia to medieval England, with it’s kings and aristos great hunting parks, and gameskeepers to guard them from peasant or freeholder or artisan wanderer poachers.

    And yeah they were taller and stronger as a result.

    The industrial revolution and industrial scale farming has enabled the middle and in the richest societies even the poor to eat lots of meat as well, despite ever climbing populations. No it can’t go on forever. No the best solution isn’t everyone being as poor as an Indian peasant vegetarian/ cheap starchetarian.

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  47. on April 22, 2010 at 1:52 pm Direct Kill Zone

    Fascinatin brah. Fascinatin.

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  48. on April 22, 2010 at 1:54 pm Sal Paradise

    Neanderthals, despite having large brains, were thought to be much less creative than homo sapiens were. They had trouble trying out new techniques in doing anything. Hence: they used much less advanced tools, they didn’t fish like we did, didn’t partake in much art, nor did they engage in any agricultural activities.

    They stuck to their old, obsolete ways and thus became obsolete themselves.

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  49. on April 22, 2010 at 2:00 pm Doug1

    Very few physical or genetic anthropolgists think that neanderthals were as smart overall as homo sapiens. The ones that do are about all coming from a multiculti radical relativist perspective and rather posit the possibility in a sort of tweaking lefty way, it seems.

    Where neanderthals were most clearly less mentally proficient than contemporaneous homo sapiens late in the neaderthal species existence, was language. Their throat isn’t nearly as well built for it for one thing. Nuanced, complex language is huge in flexible finely coordinated social cohesion such as in war raids. It’s huge in quickly adaptive cultural plasticity. And so on.

    In the end there’s also this. Homo sapiens, who was smaller, clearly won, overwhelmingly, wiping out the neanderthals.

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  50. on April 22, 2010 at 2:11 pm Thor

    @doug1
    ““A Farewell to Alms” which theorizes that the selection of certain traits of middle level farmers and the middling classes in England,and their greater surviving fecundity that those below or above, in medieval and late medieval times helped lay the groundwork for the Industrial Revolution”

    A factor limiting the fecundity of the really upper classes
    was the expedient of marrying off rich heiresses to
    much less rich men of distinction (read braininess).

    The catch was, rich heiresses were usu rich because they
    were an “only child’, rare back then. Meaning the family
    had limited fertility, in many cases heritable. So the
    “man of distinction” had few if any children.

    @Dalrock
    “If 80% of the tribe is wearing skins they tanned and processed with their own tools, and your ass is naked or covered by another man’s cast offs, how can you not seem like a retard?”

    By being bigger and more violent, and forcing somebody
    else to make you a nice set of duds – or simply take his.

    As to brain size, there is common agreement on
    “degree of encepaliztion”, which is
    brain_weight/(body_weight^x) where x is around 2/3 or so,
    there is no consensus on the exact value. Thus for equally
    smart species (the formula should be confined to
    mammals, or at least vertebrates), one that is on average
    twice the weight would be expected to have 2^(2/3) the
    brain weight, or about 1.6 times the brain weight.

    Large whales have much heavier brains than say dolphins,
    in absolute terms, but smaller as a proportion of
    body weight. A mouse has a much lighter brain than
    a horse, but much heavier as a proportion of body weight.

    One can speculate on underlying mechnisms, such as
    evolutionary pressure to do more with a smaller brain,
    much more pressure on a small animal.

    Thor

    Thor

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  51. on April 22, 2010 at 2:22 pm sdaedalus

    In the middle ages, where a man had only daughters, his property on his death (unless entailed) was divided equally between those daughters as coparceners.

    Having a lot of daughters was seen as worse than having just one, because it necessarily involved the sub-division of an estate and the loss of the family name & status.

    The solution was to send all surplus daughters to convents and have them take a vow of poverty. The remaining daughter (or, more usually, her husband) took the entire estate.

    The competition between sisters as to who would get married first must have been fairly intense in that era.

    For an example of a 19th century Sicilian girl condemned to a convent for other reasons (daughter of the first wife) the film “the Sparrow” is very good, but very very sad.

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  52. on April 22, 2010 at 2:26 pm El commandante

    Brain size and IQ is a bit like race and IQ or the large significance of IQ scores – they’re embarrassing facts because they’re there for anyone who wants to see. Not many people want to. However, there are people with normal or even proven small brains (which can also be a serious sign of malnutrition, alcohol abuse etc.) who have succeeded in most areas of life, so it’s just a statistical average, not a law.

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  53. on April 22, 2010 at 2:27 pm collegeboy

    Transhumanism is inevitable.

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  54. on April 22, 2010 at 2:35 pm Rich

    We’ve been getting dumber and weaker since agriculture (ie since we started replacing meat with grass seed), which in turn was made possible by religion. Religion could probably only have sprung from a thoroughly feminised culture:

    http://thebluetourist.blogspot.com/2010/04/gods-before-grains.html

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  55. on April 22, 2010 at 2:39 pm Basil Rancid

    Will – the link you provide seems to back me up. Though the sperm whale has a large brain, it has a low ratio of brain to body weight.

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  56. on April 22, 2010 at 2:48 pm Schmoe

    I have measurably the biggest head of anyone I know. I’m also smarter, bitches.

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  57. on April 22, 2010 at 2:48 pm Doug1

    Repeating from above one end paragraph:

    The industrial revolution and industrial scale farming and animal husbandry has enabled the middle and in the richest societies even the poor to eat lots of meat as well, despite ever climbing populations. No it can’t go on forever. No the best solution isn’t everyone being as poor as an Indian peasant vegetarian/ cheap starchetarian.

    The best solution is for fewer people than we have in the world today (6.5 billiion), much less the number even the overly optomistic level the UN middle case predicts the world will reach zero pop. growth at (10 billion), to be alive in the future, but also that they about all be alot richer than the poor starch eaters today, eating a lot more meat, though not so much of that and other things (starch and sugars are much worse) as to become obese.

    Feeding all in third world countries every time there’s another regular famine, continuously or almost continuously so in some places like Ethiopia, whose population is simply way to big for it’s economic level, is not the way forward to this future. In general, massive welfare called aid to 3rd world countries esp. that which is focused on keeping more people from dying is not the way forward, as tough as that sounds. And to the starving is. Even aid focused on development is of dubious utility history has shown us. Freer trade internally and externally, with far less government corruption and red tape however, is what works. All over the place. See East Asia.

    And yeah, there is now far too much bureaucratic load in the US as well. Not as corrupt but huge amount of lefty clients rent seeking parasitism.

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  58. on April 22, 2010 at 3:06 pm Laura

    Doug,
    There was a famine in Ethiopia recently and I read an article advocating not providing any aid to them. It does seem heartless, but the reasons made sense to me. The population there increased quite a lot since the previous famine.

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  59. on April 22, 2010 at 3:12 pm SB7

    “Brain size corrected for body size is a rough indicator of intelligence.” Only across species. It is not useful for comparisons of individuals within a species, which has been widely accepted since the early 20th century.

    Besides, allometry dominates size. The size of skulls tells us nothing about the relative sizes of “higher” brain regions like the PFC.

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  60. on April 22, 2010 at 3:14 pm unfrozencaveman

    Some of you folks are fucking stupid, especially John.

    John, your protest against human devolution makes it clear that you don’t understand the concept or natural selection in general.

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  61. on April 22, 2010 at 3:20 pm Game_IN_BK

    http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_100/142_dating_advice.html

    read this.

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  62. on April 22, 2010 at 3:58 pm The revelator

    Maybe we are just evolving to have more efficient brains, meaning it takes less physical space to do provide more computational power. Or we could be getting dumber, which would pretty much rationalize what I see in modern pop culture.

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  63. on April 22, 2010 at 4:32 pm gig

    let me see if I understand.

    a race of bizarre human beings, with alien-sized heads, thus requiring their women to have repulsive and deformed oversized hips was wiped out tens of thousands years ago and somehow this is bad because we deduce taht their oversized heads denote high IQ ?????????

    Obsidian nailed it many months ago, during the Camelot Era of this blog, the Race Threads Age. This “high IQ ” stuff is inherently loser, nerdish and dorkish.

    Forget about high IQ. There is a small and shrinking supply of people on Earth able to produce beautiful daughters. Those peoples should be preserved because they are able to give birth to beautiful women, period. By default, this proposal will preserve the high IQ peoples.

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  64. on April 22, 2010 at 4:33 pm Ulysses

    A sobering thought that we could just as easily devolve backward to a more aggressive distant ancestor archetype than evolve forward into bulbous headed little grey men.

    cf. “Galapagos” by Kurt Vonnegut. Granted, it’s a work of fiction stemming from Vonnegut’s socialism and fatalism, but it’s a good read.

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  65. on April 22, 2010 at 4:48 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Is Roissy getting into HBD?

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  66. on April 22, 2010 at 4:50 pm anonymous

    Not to be a pedantic dickhead, but something’s either “jury-rigged” or “jerry-built.”

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  67. on April 22, 2010 at 4:55 pm PA

    Gig’s three-paragraph comment contains more truth than volumes upon volumes of bloggings and commentary.

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  68. on April 22, 2010 at 5:00 pm Laura

    Gig & PA,
    “Forget about high IQ. There is a small and shrinking supply of people on Earth able to produce beautiful daughters. Those peoples should be preserved because they are able to give birth to beautiful women, period. By default, this proposal will preserve the high IQ peoples.”
    Where do you come up with this?

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  69. on April 22, 2010 at 5:33 pm Peter

    on April 22, 2010 at 2:27 pm collegeboy
    Transhumanism is inevitable.

    Ya d00d it’ll be totaly liek Ghost in teh Shel and lik everybody will have computers in their brains and stuff and liek when you die, you won’t realy die cuz yur memories will still be in the nets but your Ghost will be gone so, leik ur dead and stuf. COUGH COUGH… I’m so stoned.

    Put the bong down dude.

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  70. on April 22, 2010 at 5:41 pm Doug1

    Laura–

    Where do you come up with this?

    Gig might just have come up with it himself, creatively. That is as my high school geometry teacher used to say, “by combining the elements of your experience into new and varied forms”.

    Guys are known to do that sometimes. Well, a lot of times.

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  71. on April 22, 2010 at 6:03 pm Faolán

    John:

    “Also once again skull size does not directly correspond with brain volume, and even if it did evidence points that modern brains are much more dense. And people are stupider today? I know kids in my high school who take linear algebra, differential equations, plasma physics, calculus III some of who took them during middle school. It’s not that people are becoming stupider as a whole, its that the smart people are becoming smarter and the stupid people stay stupid. Once again they may have had a larger brain back then but the brain wasn’t smart enough to work with advanced things. Think about it, modern humans evolved around 200,000 years ago, YET ONLY IN THE LAST 5,000 YEARS STEAM POWER, ELECTRICITY, COMPUTER MICROCHIPS, ATOMIC POWER, SPACE EXPLORATION TECHNOLOGY, MATHEMATICS, COMPLEX ENGINEERING ALL CAME ABOUT. Look at this timeline of human evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution the genus “homo” came about 2.5 million years and they used tools. But like I said in the last 5,000 years we had a freaking outburst knowledge, critical thinking and pure science. You’re saying we are devolving at a point when we’re doing more than has been ever done, and in such a short amount of time. Maybe in D.C. where you live the shits hitting the fan with stupidity but the rest of the world moves on becoming smarter and smarter. I thought you were better than this.”

    We’re not any smarter nowadays than we were in historic times. We have access to more knowledge, but that’s an entirely different subject.

    You may think that modern humans are so fucking smart for coming up with quantum physics and whatnot, but would that be possible without calculus? Arithmetic? A system of agriculture which allows leisure time for a certain elite?

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  72. on April 22, 2010 at 6:05 pm Tupac Chopra

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  73. on April 22, 2010 at 6:21 pm Anonymous

    Will:

    Re: Basil Rance –

    You wrote,

    “a) To the above commenter, brain size correlates strongly with intelligence. You know what has very small brains in comparison to their body size? Whales.”

    Sorry, but that’s just dead wrong.

    What you quoted actually supports Basil Rancid rather than debunking him. Whales have the largest brains but proportionately have a very small brain in comparison to the rest of their bodies. Brain to body weight ratio is called encephalization quotient. From your link:

    The brain is the largest known of any modern or extinct animal, weighing on average about 8 kilograms (18 lb), though the sperm whale has a lower encephalization quotient than many other whale and dolphin species, lower than that of non-human anthropoid apes and much lower than humans’.

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  74. on April 22, 2010 at 6:21 pm JB

    Hey Peter,

    Unless your IQ exceeds Kurzweil’s (which I’m guessing it doesn’t), I’d put down the sarcasm.

    Unless you want to argue that his Law of Accelerating Returns graphs are all wrong and back it up with evidence, I’ll just yawn here.

    Back to Roissy’s point:

    Does evolution favor “survival and replication” over “progress”? It’s a tricky issue because of how we define “progress”. Clearly “survival and replication” and “evolution” are virtually synonymous — evolution BY DEFINITION implies S&R. Kurzweil has collected sufficient evidence that points to technological progress as part-and-parcel of evolution, so then you get into hairsplitting arguments about “innate” vs. technologically-aided intelligence (better nutrition, medical care, stimulative technologies, and yes even future advances such as nootropics and genetic engineering.)

    We ARE getting smarter and we WILL be getting smarter.
    Technology is part of evolution; to attempt to separate the two is rather pointless as far as I’m concerned: there’s a feedback loop between the two. I believe at some point soon (within a century or so) we will see such advances in technology that most strife-provoking individual differences in IQ (and other traits) will be obliterated.

    What does that mean in political terms, one might ask? I suspect we’ll see a synthesis of radical individualism and communism, as the major requirements of each (superior intelligence and equality) would be met at that point.

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  75. on April 22, 2010 at 6:30 pm JB

    “Technology is part of evolution” — should say Technology is part of intelligence.

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  76. on April 22, 2010 at 6:52 pm Justin Ames

    Given current demographic trends, I find it difficult to be optimistic about the future.

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  77. on April 22, 2010 at 7:30 pm Firepower

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  78. on April 22, 2010 at 7:33 pm Ol' Ez

    It seems to me that people who are convinced we are getting smarter have never taken the time to familiarise with any of the great minds of the past.

    If the Moderns were dwarfs on the shoulders or giants we Post-Moderns are gnats on the shoulders of dwarfs.

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  79. on April 22, 2010 at 7:39 pm dana

    the great minds of the past knew less about how the world works that a 7th grader in a decent private school

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  80. on April 22, 2010 at 7:39 pm dana

    THAN a 7th grader

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  81. on April 22, 2010 at 7:51 pm anoukange

    See: “Planet of the Apes” if any haven’t. Fantastic movies that relate to this post.

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  82. on April 22, 2010 at 8:34 pm PA

    No contest, best rock song of the decade. Swedish band, song in English.

    I love how it pauses 2/3 through, like it’s gonna end, then picks up again.

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  83. on April 22, 2010 at 9:31 pm Northern Observer

    “Anyhow, it’s amusing to wonder if there was an ancient human population much smarter than our own who were killed off by the envious and aggressive idiocrats in their midst at the time. Is that what happened to the Neandertals?”

    I wanted to comment on this bit because it connects back to the main theme of this site. I listen to a lot of podcasts. One of them is a CBC program called IDEAS, where egghead subjects are discussed. Anyhow, there was a 2 parter on Neanderthals and why they disappeared, and the startling idea floated in the program was that Neanderthals failed as a species because the had insufficient sexual specialization compared to homo sapiens. You see Neanderthals hunted as an entire tribe men, women, children, all in on the hunt. They know this from looking at Neanderthal remains and the wounding on their bones and the sex and age of the bones. Homo sapiens was more sexually specialized with men hunting and women child rearing. It’s a question of degree, sure you have men who clean and dress the kill, even cook and you have women who make flint heads but in general and especially compared to Neanderthals you have sex specialization. Women on the home front Men at the hunting front. And this was just more efficient from an energy point of view. You got more kill for the tribe per unit of energy spent and it allowed for excess energy to be available to feed extra surviving mouths, so you have a positive demographic profile for the tribe. The Neanderthals by contrast had to spend more energy as a unit to get less and have less. And when the Homo Sapiens family/tribe units started competing with the Neanderthal family tribe units in the same space, well the Neanderthals were pressured to extinction.

    And here is where it kinda blew my mind because isn’t this a description of the modern post feminist world we live in? Where the entire family unit is on the hunting front instead of specialized into hunting and rearing. And aren’t the full front “families” doing more for less in return? Aren’t the birth rates of full hunting front families pitiful? Self extinguishing if you will. Self eliminating. And the traditional sexually specialized families are the ones that will survive and create the future.

    It seems this story is as old as mankind…

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  84. on April 22, 2010 at 9:37 pm omarion

    “Obsidian nailed it many months ago, during the Camelot Era of this blog, the Race Threads Age. This “high IQ ” stuff is inherently loser, nerdish and dorkish.”

    Boy, is this ever true. Most people who boast of their “high IQ” are undistinguished, unaccomplished bitter dipshits who are trolling for bragging rights and an excuse to justify their shitty performance in life.

    Work ethic and social felicity matter 100x more at the end of the day.

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  85. on April 22, 2010 at 9:47 pm chi-town

    How are we getting smarter? Stupid people can screw and pop babies in ghettos and trailer parks and there is a social safety net that allows them to survive. Intelligent people spend time trying to figure out on how to save every idiot while they put off reproduction. There is no selective pressure in modern society that links intelligence with successfully replicating that I can identify.

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  86. on April 22, 2010 at 10:10 pm unlearning genius ...

    Roissy doing scientific speculation now … very cute .. stick to “game”, “psychology” based sciences man.

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  87. on April 22, 2010 at 10:36 pm PGG

    Brain size is a terribly misleading proxy for intelligence. Go read The Mismeasure of Man, which among other things discusses and debunks the fetishizing of cranial capacity in the late 19th century.

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  88. on April 22, 2010 at 10:49 pm Tupac Chopra

    See: “Planet of the Apes” if any haven’t. Fantastic movies that relate to this post.

    Are you insinuating that blacks and NAM’s may swamp the high water mark of anglo enlightenment ideals?

    “It could happen!” -Judy Tenuta

    P.S. Fuck AIPAC

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  89. on April 22, 2010 at 10:53 pm Carl Sagan

    I feel more retarded for having read this post.

    I believe this is proof that humans are “devolving” into a race of idiots.

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  90. on April 22, 2010 at 11:00 pm Tupac Chopra

    ORQ:

    Each of us — a cell of awareness
    Imperfect and incomplete
    Genetic blends with uncertain ends
    On a fortune hunt that’s far too fleet”

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  91. on April 22, 2010 at 11:30 pm ahappinessexperiment

    it has been pointed out elsewhere that this is why looking for aliens with radio waves is a waste of time. our big brains havent been here long and likely wont be. sure, there are probably plenty of planets out their filled with rats, lice and pigeons, but big brained beings that have discovered radio?

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  92. on April 23, 2010 at 12:04 am JB

    OK, may I point out a few obvious things?

    “It seems to me that people who are convinced we are getting smarter have never taken the time to familiarise with any of the great minds of the past.”

    “Great minds” exist in every era, including today. How this disproves that on the whole we are getting smarter I don’t see.

    “There is no selective pressure in modern society that links intelligence with successfully replicating that I can identify.”

    We survived two millenia of “the meek shall inherit the earth” loser-loving Christianity. I think we can survive a century of loser-loving progressivism.

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  93. on April 23, 2010 at 12:08 am JB

    “No contest, best rock song of the decade.”

    Yes, but which decade? 😉

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  94. on April 23, 2010 at 12:26 am JB

    “Work ethic and social felicity matter 100x more at the end of the day.”

    Only if you define the relative value of intelligence in terms of personal financial success. Being able to schmooze and work hard isn’t going to turn Joe Average into a top-notch professional or academic who contributes to progress or even maintenance of a first world society.

    I find it amusing that Obsidian teaches astrology of all things — I bet he doesn’t even understand WHY astrology “works” or HOW it “works” (this would require an understanding of higher mathematics and physics — fields such as fractal cosmology, chaos theory, etc.) In other words, the man has made his professional life and career on something he doesn’t even fully understand. Can any amount of financial recompense fill that empty part of you which KNOWS that you’re a fraud, a modern-version of a witch doctor? You think that has no effect on self-esteem and personal behavior? I would say even the successful oxygen thieves know they are basically thieves.

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  95. on April 23, 2010 at 1:00 am JB

    Tupac,

    You need to watch The Believer, especially the last ten minutes or so.

    Hating on Jews just makes them stronger and more powerful. But if you were smart you’d already know that, right?

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  96. on April 23, 2010 at 1:05 am Nicole

    Northern Observer says, “And here is where it kinda blew my mind because isn’t this a description of the modern post feminist world we live in? Where the entire family unit is on the hunting front instead of specialized into hunting and rearing. And aren’t the full front “families” doing more for less in return? Aren’t the birth rates of full hunting front families pitiful? Self extinguishing if you will. Self eliminating. And the traditional sexually specialized families are the ones that will survive and create the future.

    It seems this story is as old as mankind…”

    I think we have a winner. 🙂

    When people are allowed to do what they do best, they do it better.

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  97. on April 23, 2010 at 1:17 am Tupac Chopra

    No contest, best rock song of the decade. Swedish band, song in English.

    I love how it pauses 2/3 through, like it’s gonna end, then picks up again.

    [editor: fuckin A this song kicks my ass! yeah babY!]

    Yea, I guess it’s aight. I suppose I can’t get too cozy wit dat, since I ain’t all Richie Rich like Cannon in his daddy’s Corinthian leather chair. I sit in a rather more plebian Office Depot fake.

    Be that as it may, I’ve always been fond of the Afghan Whigs debauched neo-romantic stylings:

    (forgive me the Vivo ad)

    I’ve fucked to this, btw.

    But more to the point, I think any male here on Roissy’s blog would much rather prefer Custom’s “Hey Mister”. I often think of PA and his soon-to-be nubile daughter when I play this track. It makes me feel gooooooooood:

    Love ya, PA.

    OK, enough of the jokes. This is the Alpha Male Pièce de résistance:

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  98. on April 23, 2010 at 1:25 am Tupac Chopra

    Damn, the Custom link got biffed.

    Here it is all proper. (Wouldn’t want PA to miss this. Heh.)

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  99. on April 23, 2010 at 1:33 am Tupac Chopra

    “I can’t lie, I have to tell the truth
    My commandments says I’m a total spoof
    Your daughter’s a freak
    Your daughter’s a pro
    When i’m done with her
    She’ll do one of your bros

    I hope I’ll never have a daughter
    I hope I’ll never have a daughter
    I hope I’ll never have a daughter
    I hope I’ll never have a daughter”

    😛

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  100. on April 23, 2010 at 1:39 am Tupac Chopra

    Hating on Jews just makes them stronger and more powerful. But if you were smart you’d already know that, right?

    WOW!!! I didn’t know that

    Guess I should stop hating on feminists, manginas, kikes, niggers, fatties, beaners, fags, nerds, SWPL’s, neo cons, Randroids, bankers and hipsters!!!

    You never know

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  101. on April 23, 2010 at 1:39 am commoner

    i think you’ll like the vid Roissy!!!

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  102. on April 23, 2010 at 3:18 am El commandante

    Up until the 90s there was some real dissent on the link between brain size and IQ. That was because you needed to weigh the brains of dead people to do the studies, and besides being unpractical and gross for some people, it presents a few problems. Firstly young dead people are a select group with a lot of anomalies, many of them related to smaller brain size. And people who die old, especially very old, have naturally shrinked brains, so you had to estimate the brain weight at the time of adulthood, which added more insecurity. So even though the answer was pretty clear, you could still argue the opposite view with some credibility.

    Now with high resolution medical imaging that can measure brain volumes easily and very exactly in live people, there’s no real discussion anymore. The link between brain size and IQ is not absolute, but it’s quite high. Cranial volume is harder to gauge, and outer size is even harder, especially if you include people with very thick craniums, like many Pacific islanders. Now everyone who approaches the subject will usually just get shit smeared instead on some level, that’s how it works today.

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  103. on April 23, 2010 at 3:30 am Breeze

    Brains are probably becoming more efficient and are denser than they used to be.

    Also, the hip size might not be a problem if we continue growing larger as a species. Is there any link between height and intelligence?

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  104. on April 23, 2010 at 4:15 am BLH

    History of Civilizations:

    Chaos.

    Giants arise.

    Giants stand on the Earth.

    Men arise.

    Men stand on the shoulders of Giants.

    Boys arise.

    Boys stand on the shoulders of Men.

    Nothing arises.

    Nothing is left standing.

    Rinse, repeat.

    A shower meditation, by BLH.

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  105. on April 23, 2010 at 5:31 am xsplat

    Work ethic and social felicity matter 100x more at the end of the day.

    After meeting the minimum IQ requirements in a field, yes, work ethic is more important than IQ for career success.

    Whether this makes HBD discussion pointless is another issue. The issue of if groups can generally meet minimum IQ requirements.

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  106. on April 23, 2010 at 5:43 am Vincent Ignatius

    Whether this makes HBD discussion pointless is another issue. The issue of if groups can generally meet minimum IQ requirements.

    It shouldn’t. HBD should be about all types of human diversity but they tend to fixate on IQ for some reason.

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  107. on April 23, 2010 at 7:27 am Jonathan

    “Then some of these guys will say she has a manjaw. Maybe it was just good childhood nutrition.”

    Maybe. But take a look at these amazing photos. Two identical twin sisters. The one with proper jaw development is a beauty. Her narrower-jawed identical twin sister is homely.

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/malocclusion-disease-of-civilization.html

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  108. on April 23, 2010 at 7:33 am Cannon's Canon

    bardamu is to conservative white males as that tranny professor is to men’s studies, as reported at the spearhead

    i heard a rumor that such an analogy couldn’t be posed on the new, expanded SAT’s because NAM’s don’t figure them out very well. is there truth to this?

    go ahead and ‘be cool’, hang out with your boy bardamu. i stay at the cool kids’ lunch table with the mean girls.

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  109. on April 23, 2010 at 7:47 am Mopenhauer

    This is where Roissy’s history of the world begins. According to his version of history Western Christian feudalism was best able to repress the sexuality of the alpha male and his female customers. Unlike the Muslims or Orientals there were no harems of females for Alpha males. Instead there was a forced monogamy imposed on both females and alpha males. The triumph of the beta male and his K strategy of investing in offspring lead to the hegemony of the West. This is similar to Freud’s thesis that civilizations progress was based on the Superego’s ability to harness and control the Id. Those disenfranchised elements of Western society were slowly integrated into the “reverse dominance hierarchy”. The last step was the integration of females and then the beta utopia, the Ayn Randist dystopia. But according to Roissy that was the Pandora box that unleashed the repressed Id of the alpha male and females. And so like a Phoenix, the grey-back Gorilla was reborn from the ashes.

    Feminism in its essence a liberal-capitalist revolution. Like the English, Dutch, American, French, 1848, revolutions it is about establishing market contractual relations , where tradition and domination has once ruled. Now all those revolutions have been blurred to the extent that some people consider them anti-liberal democratic. And it is true in all those revolutions radicals, Levelers, Seadogs, Whiskey Rebellions, and Jacobins emerged that wanted to take the revolution beyond the liberal market. This is the role that the Radical Feminists of Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin played in the feminist revolution. The feminist porn wars was their Whiskey Rebellion against the liberals. The libertarian feminists grew worried about the monster they had unleashed and were willing to join forces with Hugh Hefner against the more dangerous threat to their left. To use Murray Rothbard’s left-right spectrum from Prospects for Liberty. The libertarian sex positive feminists were the REAL left. They were the ones who opposed the traditional patriarchal structure of the Right. In Rothbard’s terms the radical feminists who are conventionally considered extreme left, would actually be a confused centrist middle of the road position, that attempted to accomplish liberal ends using conservative ends. They themselves recognized it to the extent that they allied themselves with the Religious Right in the Porn Wars.

    With the defeat of the Radicals in the Porn Wars, the libertine capitalist free-market was established in sexual relations. According to Roissy this has benefited Alpha males the most. There is a tacit libertarian feminist/ alpha male alliance against BOTH beta males AND the possible revived corpse of radical feminism.

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  110. on April 23, 2010 at 8:44 am A simple girl

    If I’m not mistaken, it is not necessarily the size, but the density and quality of neural connections. Dolphins, arguably one of the most intelligent mammals, have a brain capacity far larger than ours. Needless to say, I doubt they’ll be ruling us anytime soon (though it would make a ludicrously cool movie plot). A better indicator might be how many ‘folds’ the brain forms, as that would increase surface area and -if holding size constant- density as well.

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  111. on April 23, 2010 at 9:18 am Schmoe

    Hastening man’s descent:
    http://www.cracked.com/article_18494_15-unintentionally-perverted-toys-children.html

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  112. on April 23, 2010 at 10:01 am Ass Saving and Wife Taming « Citizen Renegade

    […] 23, 2010 by Chateau Reader GdI wrote in the comments to yesterday’s post: All very interesting but I miss Roissy, whose near-daily offerings were that rarest of things […]

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  113. on April 23, 2010 at 11:07 am xsplat

    Vincent

    Vincent Ignatius

    Whether this makes HBD discussion pointless is another issue. The issue of if groups can generally meet minimum IQ requirements.

    It shouldn’t. HBD should be about all types of human diversity but they tend to fixate on IQ for some reason.

    Is that the “ya but” argument? Ya, some groups have lower IQ, but…?

    Ya, but.

    Ya but.

    Ok already, there is a but. And there is a ya. Get over it. Who cares if there is but? There is also a ya.

    Ya but is not an argument.

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  114. on April 23, 2010 at 11:09 am Tupac Chopra

    Damn. I really need to top drinking and posting.

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  115. on April 23, 2010 at 11:21 am Vincent Ignatius

    xsplat

    I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

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  116. on April 23, 2010 at 11:29 am PA

    I figgured you’re saucin’ it up but hey, no homo: if you’re even 1/5th as cool in person as on here, and you lived in the mid-atlantic I’d be up for getting together and drinkin it up. Now gettdafukkoutaheeeeere.

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  117. on April 23, 2010 at 11:51 am xsplat

    Vincent, you said that people fixate on IQ. It seems you are trying to lessen the importance of IQ by saying that talking about that subject in isolation is a fixation. As if we must always consider a wider context, and that this wider context will inform us of a more meaningful picture.

    Am I getting your argument right?

    It’s the “ya but” argument. You are saying, ok, it MAY be true that blacks in general are less intelligent, but let’s not talk about that too much, because they have other compensatory qualities.

    The ya but argument is bullshit. When you talk about IQ, talk about IQ. When you talk about other qualities, talk about other qualities. When you talk about wholistic systems, talk about wholistic systems.

    It is required to “fixate” upon subjects.

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  118. on April 23, 2010 at 12:46 pm anoukange

    Tupac-

    Thank you both for drinking while posting and for the Tom Waits.

    Doug1-

    “Guys are known to do that sometimes. Well, a lot of times.”

    -ahhh…ha, ha, ha….! And that’s why I love you all. It is both a curse and a blessing, a bittersweet existence– and I would have it no other way.

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  119. on April 23, 2010 at 1:25 pm Vincent Ignatius

    xsplat

    I was just saying that human biodiversity is about biodiversity, not just IQ. So just because some human endeavors only require a certain IQ, it doesn’t mean all HBD discussions are pointless.

    I’m not trying to defend HBDers or black people or whatever.

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  120. on April 23, 2010 at 2:20 pm xsplat

    Vincent, I have no idea what you are talking about. Unless you are saying “people are diverse, so please don’t only talk about about IQ when talking about differences”, I can’t understand what you are saying. And if you are saying that, it sounds stupid to me.

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  121. on April 23, 2010 at 3:03 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Why does everyone get sandy vaginas over this stuff?

    xsplat
    I wrote exactly what I meant.
    Diversity = Diversity, Diversity != IQ. IQ is merely a subset of diversity. I really don’t give a shit what people discuss.

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  122. on April 23, 2010 at 3:44 pm Lindsey Abelard

    From 1900 to 1960 we went from the horse and buggy to the jet airliner. From 1960 to now we went from the jet airliner to, well, the jet airliner.

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  123. on April 23, 2010 at 3:45 pm Lindsey Abelard

    God (or nature if you prefer) has a way of ensuring that humans never get too big for our britches and transcend our mud & blood physicality. Thus, it is ensured that there will be no transhumanism or any other Towers of Babel by man’s works. Therefore a supersmart human race will not be allowed to evolve. We shall not become angels.

    If the shoe fits, wear it.

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  124. on April 23, 2010 at 4:17 pm Cannon's Canon

    tupac: “Damn. I really need to top drinking and posting.”

    me too

    i’m going to add pills to the equation, maybe some weed also

    woo!

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  125. on April 23, 2010 at 4:25 pm Cannon's Canon

    i’m way late to the party, but

    “Work ethic and social felicity matter 100x more at the end of the day.”

    to each according to his needs, etc. etc.

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  126. on April 23, 2010 at 7:23 pm Markku

    The poor produce more children than the upper middle class on up, and they about all survive too due to medicaid and socialized medicine.

    In Finland, fertility is slightly eugenic. In most Western countries, there is no notable dysgenic effect.

    http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2009/06/differences-in-fertility-by-class.php

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  127. on April 26, 2010 at 1:48 pm OhioStater

    And, nerds marrying nerds is leading to skyrocketing autism rates.

    http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/when_two_minds_think_alike/

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  128. on April 26, 2010 at 2:13 pm polymath

    OhioStater,

    That article is from 1996 but my wife and I (both MIT grads) figured it out several years before that — our eldest, born in 1988, has Asperger’s and without intense intervention from age 2 might have been autistic. I was a math/computer nerd, her father was a physicist, all the usual signs were there. She used to say that our son was me squared — the traits that were at the far end of normal for me were in the dysfunctional range for him. My below-average social skills were remediated to a socially normal level with effort (although still a mix of high and low subcomponents), his abysmal social skills have been improved so he can function competently in society but his interpersonal relationships are still very shallow.

    If there were no autism, there would also be no Einsteins. A good tradeoff for the human race as a whole.

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  129. on April 26, 2010 at 5:13 pm Jabberwocky

    on April 22, 2010 at 6:30 pm JB

    “Technology is part of evolution” — should say Technology is part of intelligence.”

    -Not exactly. Technology helps improve intelligence (flyn affect), and will help improve evolution, very directly (genetic work). They are intertwined. What you said isn’t wrong, but neither is the statement you are attempting to invalidate.

    “Boy, is this ever true. Most people who boast of their “high IQ” are undistinguished, unaccomplished bitter dipshits who are trolling for bragging rights and an excuse to justify their shitty performance in life.

    Work ethic and social felicity matter 100x more at the end of the day.”

    -High IQ is very overrated, granted. I still won’t deny that I have a high IQ. And is belittling people not pretty much the same thing as boasting, but in reverse.

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  130. on April 26, 2010 at 5:23 pm Doug1

    Jabber

    Studies have shown that the perplexing and paradoxical when looking at in detail Flynn effect is basically an increase in abstract puzzles test taking ability, not or much less an increase in basic “g” or general intelligence, which IQ tests seek with varying levels of precision, to test.

    Leftists have also rather desperately seized upon and misrepresented the Flynn effect as signally the closing of the black/white IQ gap, which it doesn’t. In the process they’ve sought to and in the media have much distorted it.

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  131. on April 26, 2010 at 5:56 pm polymath

    High IQ is extremely helpful in life, but only a loser would use his IQ as a credential. High-IQ societies are full of underachievers.

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  132. on April 26, 2010 at 6:25 pm Jabberwocky from home

    Mopenhauer
    “This is where Roissy’s history of the world begins. According to his version of history Western Christian feudalism was best able to repress the sexuality of the alpha male and his female customers. Unlike the Muslims or Orientals there were no harems of females for Alpha males. Instead there was a forced monogamy imposed on both females and alpha males. The triumph of the beta male and his K strategy of investing in offspring lead to the hegemony of the West. This is similar to Freud’s thesis that civilizations progress was based on the Superego’s ability to harness and control the Id. Those disenfranchised elements of Western society were slowly integrated into the “reverse dominance hierarchy”. The last step was the integration of females and then the beta utopia, the Ayn Randist dystopia. But according to Roissy that was the Pandora box that unleashed the repressed Id of the alpha male and females. And so like a Phoenix, the grey-back Gorilla was reborn from the ashes.”

    Cool.

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  133. on May 20, 2010 at 10:10 am Y

    Hips sizes wouldn’t grow too much, we live in the modern area and women that cant push out large brained babies will have C-sections. Also, the vast majority of brain development takes place outside of the womb so even if a baby was born with a relatively small brain there is still plenty of time for cortical development. Moreover, it is possible that human brains have become denser over the course of human evolution, thus there would be no need for alien like brains. Just some thoughts 🙂

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