The Democratic National Committee this morning released this clip of the president rallying the troops, if rather coolly, for 2010. Obama’s express goal: “reconnecting” with the voters who voted for the first time in 2008, but who may not plan to vote in the lower-profile Congressional elections this year.
Obama speaks with unusual demographic frankness about his coalition in his appeal to “young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again.”
We have crossed the threshold where our presidents don the head garb of tribal warlords, and don’t even bother extending the courtesy of lying to us anymore about their allegiances.
PS If it’s a tribal war they want, it’s a tribal war they’ll get.
PPS Libertarians are stoopid.
PPPS Build a wall. And shoot the fuckers trying to climb over it.
quality is higher here when the topic is women.
[editor: fuck your fucking face uncle fucker.]
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Have you seen a tea party rally up close? Or heard Sarah Palin speak? Don’t pretend tribal politics, or even ethnic politics, are solely a Democratic thing.
[editor: may the best tribe win.]
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Can’t really tell if this is genuine or faux outrage.
[editor: hi, hope.]
The nash equilibrium for ANY politician is to manipulate as much as you can without being called out on it. In earlier eras this may have been different but i doubt it, people were just less cynical back then.
priority numero uno for a politician is to get re-elected. for the president, who is the figurehead for the entire party, this is doubly true. it doesn’t mean he ‘hates white males.’ he is just pandering to his base.
[you call it pandering, i call it amassing soldiers.]
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You can’t have a tribal war if your tribe gives up without firing a shot.
[editor: as long as oases of retreat exist, the hypocrites can luxuriate in their forked-tongue shibboleths. but soon… sooner than they think… there will be no place to run to.]
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Well, at least you can say one thing about Obama: He isn’t lying anymore about who’s side he is on.
I generally don’t give a crap about politics or the future, so these political posts don’t really resonate with me.
If the USA is going down the toilet, well…I am going to enjoy myself to the end.
Now, time to go get drunk.
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I’ll be dead before the Chinese take over.
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Hey! Like, what do you have against freedom, man?
I’m gonna go get high now.
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If any of the posters here had read Barry’s books, they’d know what he was about already. This should not come as a surprise.
[editor: it doesn’t come as a surprise to barry’s cheerleaders. what does come as a surprise is someone like me rudely saying out loud where barry’s allegiance lies. that will not do. must keep up appearances.]
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“If it’s a tribal war they want, it’s a tribal war they’ll get.”
No. It’s too late. The self-inflicted suicide of white America has already happened. The heart may pump once or twice more, but all of the gray matter is already blasted out across the room.
Mexico is the future. Then South Africa. Then Zimbabwe.
This blog is a lonely voice of sanity. And it’s about how to sleep with lots of women. Let’s face it, we’ve got a few years of decadence left in this civilization, and then come in the Visigoths and Vandals.
[editor: perhaps. but don’t underestimate just how abruptly a nation’s conscience can change course. the chaos of violence and change is never far from the surface, however distant it may seem under a mountain of ipads and women’s television dramas.]
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What about PALEOlibertarians????
[editor: if there is a national stage libertarian who understands the practicality of nations and national borders, and has a firm grip on the intractability of human nature and its consequential immutable inequality, i haven’t heard from him.]
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I do agree about border security, though. If you just let anyone in, it kinda ruins the party.
In other news: I just got back from Chile, and the girls were fucking hot. If the Shit Hits the Fan in America, I’m considering Chile as my escape route.
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No love for Ron Paul?
[editor: i can dig him. unfortunately, he lacks the charisma to take the white house. his style is more ross perotian than clintonian.]
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it’s endearing that you can get worked up about this. this doesn’t reflect some deep “allegiance” but just a shallow, though rational, calculation. he’s rationally responding to the analysis handed to him. this is what politicians do. what would you do?
[editor: oh, i’d do exactly what he’s doing. but then i’m not on his side. so at least now the cards are on the table. your tribe or my tribe.
just remember.
YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THEM.]
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True. But he’s not “stoopid.” At least he’s educating people.
[editor: has ron paul explicitly identified himself as a libertarian? if he has, and if he supports building a wall and rounding up and kicking out the tens of millions of illegals squatting like invaders in the US, then i take back my initial assessment. only 99.9% of libertarians are stoopid.]
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“Young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again.””
I am young, female and a minority. Three things that Obama invites. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that I should welcome Obama nailing me in all three holes.
and I totally would 🙂
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I still don’t get this. I mean, I understand Obama’s exclusion of white guys is fucked up, however, your outrage over this is coming from a man who time and time again has exclaimed that foreign women are so much better than Americans in every way. But you want to ensure that American women rule the day by excluding foreigners from coming into the country???? If you think they’re spoiled now……
[editor: what’s good for me is not necessarily good for society. however, i can’t really see a downside to importing millions of hot east euro babes.
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Feministx: Gasp! But he’s married!
I’m shocked! Shocked!
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“I am young, female and a minority. Three things that Obama invites. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that I should welcome Obama nailing me in all three holes. ”
Better watch out. He didn’t include Indians in his list of preferred groups.
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“has ron paul explicitly identified himself as a libertarian?”
Yes. Won the 1988 Libertarian nomination for President.
[editor: what has ron paul called himself in his own words?]
Is there a less stupid political affiliation than libertarian other than “me, myself, and I” ?
[what have you done for me lately?]
What’s your tribe?
[fuck you, that’s my tribe.]
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“We have crossed the threshold where our presidents don the head garb of tribal warlords, and don’t even bother extending the courtesy of lying to us anymore about their allegiances.”
Exactly. Why is this not called out as baldfaced racism and sexism that it is? Oh, right, because only white males are guilty of such things. Stupid Pig-fucker-in-Chief.
“PS If it’s a tribal war they want, it’s a tribal war they’ll get.”
Yep…and guess which side has the smarts and the guns? Bwahaha.
“PPS Libertarians are stoopid.”
Meh. Have to disagree here. As Glenn Reynolds says (and I paraphrase): We libertarians want to get in charge so that we can LEAVE YOU ALONE.
I don’t subscribe to that precise philosophy -I’m a classical liberal- but it certainly has a foundation in logic that doesn’t involve taking from the producers.
“PPPS Build a wall. And shoot the fuckers trying to climb over it.”
Bingo.
To all the naysayers of Roissy’s political posts: Don’t Like? Don’t Read. You determine the extent of your own happiness. If this blog gets in the way -and yet you continue to read- go elsewhere. If that’s not sufficient, re-read the archives. As the saying goes: “When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.”
It amazes me at how people treat this blog as a public utility…that they get for free. Bunch of alpha-wannabe-welfare-queens. Socialism in action.
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“In other news: I just got back from Chile, and the girls were fucking hot. If the Shit Hits the Fan in America, I’m considering Chile as my escape route.”
The white South American nations (Argentina, Chile and Uruguay) are excellent choices for relocation. People talk about Australia and New Zealand but they are only 20-30 years behind the U.S. in terms of decline.
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“Have you seen a tea party rally up close? Or heard Sarah Palin speak? Don’t pretend tribal politics, or even ethnic politics, are solely a Democratic thing.”
But the Tea Parties only talk of taxes and big government. They never discuss race and even highlight their few black members. Sarah Palin has never said anything racial, married an Eskimo and actually supports affirmative action discrimination.
So where, exactly, is the white version of the NAACP or the Congressional Black Caucus?
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Hey, no one I know has ever claimed there was a good Libertarian candidate. But a third party in the US sure would be nice to have so I don’t have to listen to the crazy liberals and the uptight conservatives being crotchety all the time. Freedom is not a bad thing for the individual, it’s just a bad thing for a nation as big and as mixed as ours. I’m a fan of freedom and the government not being up my ass over everything, but I’m all for closing the gates. No more, we’re full.
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“what has ron paul called himself in his own words?”
Not sure it gets any more explicit than leading a party. But I think the LP might be confused on national borders anyway.
[editor: confused is putting it nicely. most elite libertarians treat the nation’s borders like the demographic version of the drug war.]
“what have you done for me lately?”
As a political affiliation, that approximates to “I’m an affirmative action, union member Democrat.”
[point is, everyone is out for “me, myself, and i”. obama’s rally the troops message lays it out bare naked.]
“fuck you, that’s my tribe.”
No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there’s nothing to be afraid of.
[say what you will, at least it’s an ethos.]
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Ron Paul has identified himself as a libertarian for a long time. He’s a man of some personal integrity and is definitely much better on policy than most mainstream politicians, but that’s not a high standard.
His position on immigration is somewhat confused. He takes a pretty hard line against illegal immigration, but favours a generous amount of legal immigration.
[editor: that was my impression of paul’s befuddled stance on immigration as well. i favor a timeout on all immigration for at least a couple of generations (excepting a handful of hottie czech babes to refresh my harem), and the building of a big, beautiful, gargantuan wall along the southern border, the continued availability of tyler cowen’s tasty authentic chalupas notwithstanding to the contrary.]
What’s also kinda disturbing about Paul is the goldbug thing. Just because the mainstream macro guys don’t know nearly as much as they think they know doesn’t suddenly mean Austrian macro isn’t, more often than not, totally crazy.
[yeah, i’m not so sure about dismantling the federal reserve.]
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Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party’s nominee for president in 1988.
[editor: i like paul as a candidate. if he runs in 2012, barring the emergence of a better candidate, i’d vote for him if i were the voting sort. but a candidate for president needs more than good policy prescriptions. he needs charisma and game. i feel paul’s pain.]
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More than anything else, Obama and his ascension to power makes me sad.
I look at all we’ve lost over the past several decades, in terms of civility and civilization, and the various liars, fools, charlatans, bullies, and poltroons who’ve lost it for us, and I feel a great world weariness, bordering on grief. We should never have reached this point.
Roissy is correct, the fight is almost here. Time for sorting out and paying back debts.
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It really is too bad that no one with any personality can communicate the ideals of libertarianism. The absolute best we could hope for is for the Repubs to throw Paul the VP bone in hopes of gaining independents.
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DREW CAREY 2012!!!
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Yeah, but the hypocrites (at least the core of them, anyway) just might be one step ahead of you. They’ve been scanning the horizon for several years now, eying the exits and new hosts. You’d think they’d have the common courtesy to help out and not let things get this bad in the first place. But no. No reach-arounds forthcoming as we get fucked.
Questions of Survival
by Shmuel Rosner Haaretz.com 6/22/06
“The fear expressed that “a real decline of the West, particularly the United States, would have dramatic consequences for the Jewish people,” also led to controversy. Brandeis University president Jehuda Reinharz agreed that this type of decline can be expected “in the coming two decades” – but Stuart Eisenstadt was less emphatic about it. He believes the United States will remain the leading power. In all events, it was agreed the Jews “should strengthen cultural links with non-Western civilizations, particularly China and also India,” powers that are on the ascent. This is not a question of preference or closeness; it is a question of survival, of readiness for the future. How should this be done? That will have to be the topic of discussion in the next gatherings already being planned. “
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Read history to know the future.
Empires have come and empires have collapsed.
German and Russian national socialist and communist uprisings have always been preceded by severe economic chaos, rampant inflation, and critical unemployment. People were promised jobs. See Weimar Germany and the October Revolution. (I honestly haven’t read enough about China’s history.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Germany#Years_of_crisis_.281919.E2.80.931923.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution#Background
These grand socialist and communist regimes resulted not in a great embrace of the international worker but extreme ethnic divides and genocides.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
What lessons from history can we apply to us?
Thanks to birth control, television and our degrading culture white Americans don’t have the birthrate to compete with foreigner’s immigration rates.
http://ipl.econ.duke.edu/bread/papers/working/172.pdf
Two party democratic systems seem to divide a population, preferring to set internal elements against each other as enemies rather than focusing on external threats. (See American Civil War)
Socialism strangles economies and shreds freedom.
(See basic economics)
Because of this struggling economy (strangled by socialistic regulation) America doesn’t have the financial wealth to play globo cop.
Muslim hordes have knocked on the gates of Vienna, or in this Amsterdam and are eager to decimate Europe. If blacks now lament slavery in America in the 150 years ago imagine what slavery is like now in Africa at the hands of the Arabs by order of the Koran where people maim and mutilate their slaves in order to make any escape impossible.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sudan+slave
After the population has internally divided in two external invasion is facile. Liberals will slit the throats of their protectors in the night to eagerly await the new foreign invaders, who will promptly lined them up against their ivory walls to execute them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yuri+bezmenov
History has many important lessons to teach us. If we won’t listen to the horror stories what makes people think we’ll listen to the success stories. This is just recent history too. We have thousands of years of recorded history to rely upon.
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The white South American nations (Argentina, Chile and Uruguay) are excellent choices for relocation.
Those nations aren’t really “white” despite all the propaganda about them that’s espoused. There is pretty significant Amerind admixture and even some Negro admixture in those populations.
For example, see this post regarding a genetic study of Argentina’s population:
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/08/latin-american-white.html
Don’t believe the lies and the hype.
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Great points, the Libertarians are pseudo intellectual lackeys for the elite.
http://www.perfecteconomy.com
I got my Bible, tobacco, whiskey, desert eagle and 20,000 rounds of .308.
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If I had the money I’d live in Switzerland. But I don’t.
Ron Paul is not nutty on Gold. Unfortunately Obama ran the printing presses so much the dollar is just going to decline terminally. The Euro is screwed for the same reason (the PIIGS will all have to be bailed out, except MAYBE Ireland). And even Ireland is iffy.
Paul’s problem is he ascribes America’s problems with Muslims to Jews. Russia, China, and other places have Muslims blowing stuff up … and no Jews or friend to Israel there. Our best strategy would be to pump the ME dry.
It IS a time for choosing. One side or the other. Obama nakedly gave the big FU to White guys. No surprise. Build a wall. Deport illegals. Problem solved.
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Let me add, the Swiss nearly alone in Europe are not ashamed of being … White. Nor Swiss. They are not lovely, open, friendly, “warm” or much of anything other than clean, competent, wealthy, first world, “boring” with cities that work, lots of high tech and banking and pharma and gun companies.
They have direct democracy, beautiful scenery, a high standard of living, and a society that is clean and orderly. Yes its boring. I’ll take boring over “vibrant” places like East LA. Or Tijuana.
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whats with the libertarians are stoopid comment?
the opposite of libertarian is STATIST.
view a diamond with the top being libertarian, the bottom statist (big govt)
the right side is conservative, the left is the loony liberals.
This mofo O in the current regime – is as statist and lib as you can get. W started good but then veered off into fatcat statism.
we fought for life liberty and property (cut for pursuit of happiness, the only fuckup by founding fathers imho) but liberty above all.
Im just really thrown by your anti libertarian comment – care to splain?
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There is no single right answer. We could choose to close borders to new immigrants, both legal and illegal, and that would work or we could choose to have completely open borders and that would work as well. We had nearly open borders for years. What won’t work is what we are currently doing, which is mixing a little of both.
If we want a socialist welfare state, then borders must be closed and birthright citizenship removed. If we don’t do this then the system will be swamped by everyone who gets a worse deal in their home country. The other option is an open border system. This would require we completely dismantle all of the welfare state. If you can hack it here then your welcome, but if you can’t then you’ll probably leave of your own freewill, which happened often in the past. What won’t work is the blending of the two systems, which is what we have now.
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You can’t seem to ever comment on a thread without defending or running cover for the Jews.
Also, Israel has been cultivating better relations with China for years. Behind the scenes of course. That’s one reason they’ve been selling tons of military tech to China.
If you ever have enough money, don’t move to Switzerland. Move to Israel.
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I enjoy these political posts, and not just because I agree with Roissy/Chateau on most issues — even when I disagree I appreciate his provocative presentation which makes for a valuable discussion.
It is finally becoming clear, 3 decades or so too late, that American society’s trend has been a conspiracy of the top and bottom against the middle, and the immigration issue is just the clearest illustration. The elites who are not threatened personally and in fact benefit from lots of immigrants want to bring in enough that the productive middle class will be permanently outvoted. Of course they don’t realize that the middle class ultimately holds all the cards, which is why I’m optimistic overall about American society — the backlash since Jan 2009 shows how naturally conservative Americans are (unfortunately they are complacent and apolitical until roused, while the Left has worked constantly since the 60’s to undermine and hollow out America). bbass’s comment about Tea parties shows how powerful the media and other leftist bastions have been at manipulating the opinions of people not paying real attention, but as more and more people actually start figuring out what is happening the propaganda will be swept away.
Who Obama was and what he would do was completely clear to me long before the election, because the media could not hide from a voracious information-seeker and political junkie like myself the enormously many indicators of this. What they did do was overwhelm all these indicators with 100 times as much coverage of triviality, noise, spin, and lies, but they could not make me forget the countless little facts which only made logical sense if Obama was and would do exactly what he has shown since being elected.
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I hate to parrot out a similar theme, stick to girls. When you talk politics you seem like a xenophobic clown.
‘Young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again.” WTF does this have to do with borders? Only tabagging paranoid fucktards scared of the unspecified notion of “losing their country” parlay appeals to first time voters, women, black people, and latinos as a “border issue” since “white” people weren’t mentioned.
Get a clue, this is David Plouffe’s 2008 strategy of trying to expand the electoral map by appealing to groups who happen to not vote in large numbers because they felt they were not represented. These were the groups. Many doubted it could be done. Turns out it worked. Talking about reaching out to voting groups who didn’t vote before is pretty ordinary. Only in the paranoid, the immigrants are out to get my job, mindset do such terms spark talk of immigration issues. Pop quiz, women, african americans and latinos are Americans.
Fold up your tinfoil hat and get back to talking about pussy.
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This is bullshit. Do we not remember back in ’03 when Bush donned flight suit and codpiece? Kennedy, Eisenhower and other presidents who actually* served in the armed forces made conscious efforts not to don military garb in order not to confuse the issue of civilian control.
As for Obama’s comment, it’s nothing unusual or even controversial, so claiming a declaration of “tribal” war is either dishonest or ignorant. What’s even more insulting is that conservatives have a much stronger tribal orientation, needlessly documented by Jonathan Haidt, and encapsulated in Reagan’s 11th Commandment. You’d have better luck criticizing his cosmopolitanism, an orientation not uncommon among post-graduates regardless of race or gender.
What else was there? Mild enthusiasm for creationist Ron Paul. The same Ron Paul responsible for a racist newsletter?
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Notes:
*Yes, George W. Bush did (sort of) serve in the national guard, bravely defending Texas skies from invading Vietcong.
**Some people do choose to believe Ron Paul’s credible pleas of ignorance regarding the newsletter, which is fine. I mean, these are the kind people who naturally extend the same courtesy to Obama and Democrats.
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“I got my Bible, tobacco, whiskey, desert eagle and 20,000 rounds of .308.”
Laying in a supply of whiskey for hard times ahead apparently has a very long pedigree…
http://liquorlocusts.com/the-whiskey-standard
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Building a wall and fortifying it with soldiers = spending tons of money for something that won’t work = stupid.
Huge fines for companies and individuals that employ illegals = generates revenue and will work. When the jobs are gone the illegals will leave. They are here for work.
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So who is going to enforce the libertarians brutal use of “contracts” to take advantage of others, and their “let those who can’t afford to feed themselves die” policies?
Who is going to make those Contracts valid?
After all, the “Libertarians” refuse to acknowledge ANY societal obligations…. or ANY objective fairness…. or ANY morality. All they say is “We can do it cause Contracts say we can!”. Now, people have a respect for the rules… UP TO A POINT. And that point is SO REACHED when the only excuse for someones behavior is that “the Contract says I can!”
So they need MASSIVE EXTERNAL FORCE to ENFORCE their Contracts.
“Libertarianism” can only exist in a bubble where the State prevents the people they are Lawyering at from ignoring them/killing them.
No Massive State, No Libertarianism.
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He believes the United States will remain the leading power. In all events, it was agreed the Jews “should strengthen cultural links with non-Western civilizations, particularly China and also India,” powers that are on the ascent. This is not a question of preference or closeness; it is a question of survival, of readiness for the future.
Fortunately, the politically powerful Jewish communities in Beijing and Mumbai ensure that Israel will have as a strong a voice in China and India as they do in Washington.
Israel’s survival in a post-American world… practically guaranteed.
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I hate to parrot out a similar theme, stick to girls. When you talk politics you seem like a xenophobic clown.
Most of you commenters come here because you value this guys insights into human relations. You clamor for them as if they were nuggets of gold, but you discount his insights into areas of human relations that aren’t male/female oriented. It seems very hypocritical.
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So would you listen to Limbaugh’s advice on getting pussy?
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Tribes? White NAACP? White Congressional Caucus? You guys sound like a bunch of racist. Not saying that you are, but honestly that’s how you sound.
But let’s face it…who needs a white congressional caucus when Whites have been and continue to be the majority in power? That reminds me of the whole “where is the white entertainment television”? Hell it’s called ALL THE REST OF THE CHANNELS. Are you freaking kidding me? You guys remind me of the klansmen I grew up around in Georgia. They were always the poor, dumb redneck hicks afraid of everyone different and swearing everyone was taking something from them. The white people in power, who were capable, smart and rich didn’t have those same worries. You guys sound beta as hell.
You seem to look at all Latinos and all African Americans as a homogeneous block who all think and vote the same way, which is completely false. Not everyone falls for the Democrats version of “everyone is racist but us”. AKA stay on the plantation and let us tell you what to do/think.
As a long time reader of this blog and as an African American I find your take on this laughable at best. So the president is reaching out to groups that are usually ignored by the mainstream. And he’s doing some pandering to get elected..well he is a Democrat after all. What do you expect?
As for Obama. I’ll say this. Obama is not black. Not in the sense that I am. He didn’t grow up in working class roots. He never had to spend summers in the ghetto at his grandmother’s, or get beat up for “acting white” and “being smart”. He grew up with a white family and a white silver spoon in his mouth. He has more in common with you guys than he has with me. I always thought he married a black woman in part because he knew the racist out there would never accept him with a white wife and the undercover democrat racist would subconsciously feel the same. Also it looks good on the resume as being “the first black president” with a black family. Not saying he doesn’t love his wife and kids. We all know there are always other factors in choosing marriage partners than just love.
I was raised as a christian, a scout (eagle) a military man and as a person who was raised with more traditional conservative values. These values often put me at odds with some in my community but my parents believed that this was the way to having a better life. Most of the families in my neighborhood were the same way. Then again, I grew up lower middle class surrounded by a lot of ex military men who had intact families, the majority of which are still intact to this day. Maybe I’m a rarity for an African American. We had these values. You work hard, you show respect, you try to make something of yourself. You don’t beg, borrow or steal. You judge people by how they treat you and you try to do the right thing. I’m raising my children to be the same way when the time comes. I’m not the brightest guy, but I am hardworking and honest. Like the majority of Americans I’d like to think.
I always said if my parents were white they would be republican, as it stands they really don’t claim a political affiliation and neither do I. I see both parties as being full of it. I tend to fall more into the libertarian camp more than anything. I am not a big Obama fan. I’m against his socialized healthcare plan and his continuing the Bush Wars and bailouts, let em fail! I was with Bush until he got off the rails with Iraq, The Unnecessary Bureaucracy of the Office of Homeland $ecurity, The Stealing Your Rights Patriot Act, and the Last Minute Bank Rape..er..Bailouts. And that’s an issue I have with the Tea Partiers, where the hell were they when we got raped by the last President? He was white and republican so they would lubed up for him? Really? Pathetic. Imagine if Obama pulled a Bush and had “Protest Zones”. Those guys would go nuts, but didn’t give a shit when Bush did it.
If you want America to be great, it has to involve intelligent conversation and showing people of all groups that there is a different way to govern. I actually believe in what America stands for.. If the Irish, the Italian, the Jew, the German and anyone else can come here and be a productive American citizen, then so can I. Somehow I don’t think you guys believe that. Which is sad and pathetic. It is you who are abandoning America with your entitled princess syndrome. If America falls it’s your fault for abandoning it, and if America succeeds you will probably share in none of the glory as you don’t plan on doing any of the work. Fucking betas. Stop yelling the sky is falling, pulling the (woe is the white) race card, and playing the blame game and do something to make it better. The choice is yours. I’ll be working to make it better and trying to swoop some fly honeys in my spare time.
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DFCtomm: It is not inconsistent to say a person’s views on relationships can be interesting but their attempts to discuss extreme political views are nothing other than pointless dribble.
That’s a pretty simple point, not sure why you could think there is something “hypocritical” about it.
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Anyone pissed that roissy is spitting on your mancrush, Nobama, can go take a flying fuck.
And feministrix is a lying dirty whore.
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NextStopUkraine:
“I’ll be dead before the Chinese take over.”
Then you are now entering the final decade of your life. Better make the most of it.
“[editor: what’s good for me is not necessarily good for society. however, i can’t really see a downside to importing millions of hot east euro babes.”
I can see a major downside. After a few years they will all be fat, cat owning Democrat voters.
“The white South American nations (Argentina, Chile and Uruguay) are excellent choices for relocation. People talk about Australia and New Zealand but they are only 20-30 years behind the U.S. in terms of decline.”
– Try about ten years behind now that Rudd is our PM. The loony left is going nuts.
“i favor a timeout on all immigration for at least a couple of generations (excepting a handful of hottie czech babes to refresh my harem),”
I’d welcome that same policy in Australia too.
“Most of you commenters come here because you value this guys insights into human relations. You clamor for them as if they were nuggets of gold, but you discount his insights into areas of human relations that aren’t male/female oriented. It seems very hypocritical.”
They have only just started to pull their heads out of their arses and realise the truth about men and women. It’ll take them a long time to adjust to more of reality’s darker truths that shatter their comforting beliefsc – so I guess they lap up the knowledge about male and female relations (because the sting of cold and lonely nights means they can’t deny it any longer) but they are not readier for wider, connected truths.
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“DFCtomm: It is not inconsistent to say a person’s views on relationships can be interesting but their attempts to discuss extreme political views are nothing other than pointless dribble.
That’s a pretty simple point, not sure why you could think there is something “hypocritical” about it.”
Because its all connected.
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DrSmooth: like it’s been said so many times, if you don’t like it, no one’s making you read it. It’s roissy’s blog, he can say whatever he damn well pleases.
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“DFCtomm: It is not inconsistent to say a person’s views on relationships can be interesting but their attempts to discuss extreme political views are nothing other than pointless dribble.
That’s a pretty simple point, not sure why you could think there is something “hypocritical” about it.”
Because its all connected. The political views R espouses are underpinned by his male/female dynamics.
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immigration is not bad per se, it needs to be managed however. allowing highly educated immigrants, where you did not pay for respective education either, to help generate growth, is good for the economy.
besides that, illegal immigrants mute service cost, especially for jobs the average American would largely reject. They remigrate, but there will be a price tag attached to it.
You’ll have to force the laziness out of nanny state pampered people.
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Get those no good, uneducated, waste of life mexicans out of my country.
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And bdog57 is awarded the Trenchant Trophy for:
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ron paul is a constitutionalist first before he considers himself a libertarian and probably a free market economist before a libertarian also
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A lot of people smell war in the air. You smell civil conflict. I smell a global resource war, involving the Chinese. Ten or twenty years off, at a rough guess. I guess they’ll take the Philippines and Indonesia. Maybe parts of Africa.
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@whiskey
Let me add, the Swiss nearly alone in Europe are not ashamed of being … White. Nor Swiss. They are not lovely, open, friendly, “warm” or much of anything other than clean, competent, wealthy, first world, “boring” with cities that work, lots of high tech and banking and pharma and gun companies.
They have direct democracy, beautiful scenery, a high standard of living, and a society that is clean and orderly. Yes its boring. I’ll take boring over “vibrant” places like East LA. Or Tijuana.
I agree completely. Switzerland pisses off the Euro socialists as much as the US does. They lose too much tax revenue to the Swiss and the Swiss won’t play along with multi-cultural pretty lies. Switzerland rocks. BTW Whiskey, you could get a good job there and have a nice life if you wanted to. They have a labor shortage still.
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“whats with the libertarians are stoopid comment?”
A large contingency of libertarians appear to be Open Borders HBD denialists — and especially obnoxious about it to boot.
“You guys sound like a bunch of racist.”
Just pointing out reality in 2010 inevitably makes one a racist. So be it. Screw the shakedown artists already, they’ve crossed the line and will pay for it dearly.
The real au courant definition of “racism”: all NAMs are allowed to have group interests; whites aren’t.
Well, whitey is officially OFF the hook.
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Is Roissy in Dc the smartest man in 2010 USA? Certainly the philosophy of Roissyism defines what all Americans believe and any polluters in America’s idealogical stew are just atavistic leftovers from a past age. Roissyism was a synthesis of the thesis of 50s masculinity and 60s feminism that took place in the late 70s.
Intelligence is about complexity. What is the most complex organism on the planet? Man. And even more complex is the superorganism of society. Thus social skill PUA is the only measure of intelligence.
A Halfsigmaist said it best:
“I believe higher-order intelligence is the ability to solve complex (non-linear) problems. You seem to agree with this as the ability to remember tables and crunch numbers isn’t really intelligence or is, at least, a form of linear intelligence. Hence, as you pointed out, those who are really good at linear problems and not much else are labelled ‘autustic savants’. I would compare complex intelligence to linear intelligence as comparing someone who can build businesses and cater to market forces to make assloads of money and have a harem of sexy, young women in his limousine to someone who memorise business structures, business regulations, accounting rules, how to keep books, legal issues of government regulations for businesses, etc., and is complete nerdy and repellent to women.”
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“I am young, female and a minority. Three things that Obama invites. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that I should welcome Obama nailing me in all three holes. ”
Can we arrange some kind of a deal so that in exchange for nailing YOU in all three holes he stops nailing America in all three holes? It seems like a win-win.
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Libertarians have better ideas for this country than any other party, but that doesn’t matter because they won’t get power. We can be little bitches and cry over the downfall of America, or we can stop lactating, pick up our balls, and deal with reality. When the shit hits the fan, where will you go?
Learn some foreign languages, maybe get another citizenship, and abandon the socialists. Without productive citizens, the country will begin to hemorrhage, and I say we let the worthless idiots who remain choke on their own blood.
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Any of you Americans who didn’t vote for Ron Paul are traitors to your once great nation. Even back in 88 he was smashing pretty lies.
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To daleks and any others wondering why whites need tribalism when they are the majority, the answer is because white leaders do not advocate white interests. George Bush, for example, was the figurehead of the white party, but couldn’t do enough to let hordes of illegal Mexicans into the country. Or defend policies crafted by the state of Texas to discriminate against white college applicants.
If black or Hispanic leaders win office, 90% of the time they advocate the interests of their group, e.g., wealth redistribution, amnesty for illegals, and affirmative action.
If whites control our society, then white people who advocate keeping our society majority-white could speak openly without fear of being fired by their PC corporate masters.
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@Anoukange
“Freedom is not a bad thing for the individual, it’s just a bad thing for a nation as big and as mixed as ours”
this view is sickening. The people who laugh at Ron Pauls ideas are doing so on the basis that America is too shit to recover. They REVEL IN YOUR NATIONS DESTRUCTION. Their point seems to be youv’e gone too far so might as well acelerate your path to destruction. Yep THATS THE VIEW. What you describe as being “big” and “mixed” can basically be summed up as this:
“America is already too shit and has too much debt and too many state dependants(blacks, latinos, women) for freedom to succeed”
And they could very well be right. But thats a very sad thing indeed and certainly to proud of and celebrated as a positive.
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@anukange
“but I’m all for closing the gates. No more, we’re full.”
DFCtomm makes the comment that you cannot have
a welfare state AND open immigration. This was
Milton Friedman’s point also.
We are not “full” by any means. However, we can
no longer afford immigrants who are likely to
become net tax eaters.
Some simple proposals:
1) Send most illegals home. Make exceptions for those
who can prove that they are likely to be net
contributors, not net tax eaters – a minority,
I believe. This would be real immigration reform.
2) Sharpen employee sanctions.
3) Re-introduce national quotas (as it was pre 1965).
Make minor adjustments for East Asians.
4) Abolish welfare
5) Abolish minimum wage.
6) Abolish marriage 2.0. Alimony should be the exception,
and of short duration. Children should be awarded
to the person earning money, as a rule.
All of a sudden, unskilled manufacturing will again
be possible in the US, we will regain our productive
capacity, save costs etc. etc.
Fertility will rise among the middle classes.
Women will realize that they do
NO LONGER get a free ride, neither from dumped
hubby nor from the government, and, hey presto,
they will start behaving like wife material, and be
marriageable. (This has been tried over hundreds,
acutually thousands of years, and it produces a
stable and productive society.)
There is very little downside.
Thor
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*Not to be celebrated as a positive
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Your views on immigration sound more fascist than anything. Big government much? Telling people where to live, telling their employers whether or not to hire them. Thats big government. Nanny state big government liberalism and border control go hand in hand.
If you believe in the sort of rugged individualism that made America great before, you must favor an open immigration policy (an incidental benefit is no more welfare as a welfare society is incompatible with open immigration). Just remember, walls built to keep others out can be used to keep us in.
[editor: hilarious. if government has any valid purpose, it is protecting the territory upon which economic activity takes place. how many people do you think are prepared to see hordes of low skill peasant invaders die in the streets as the price of a zero-safety net society?]
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Roissy
The simpler and surer thing would be this. Build a serious landmine zone on the US side of the border. Widely publicize that it’s landminded in Mexican media and in the US. Post notices on the border in Spanish and English.
Voila. Border closed to illegally sneaking through.
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I’ll say it again–don’t make any move to stop it. Push it farther to the left. Back the most lunatic anti-white programs and politicians you can find. Don’t ask for a wall to be built–help worsen the contradictions inherent in the system until finally something gets triggered, and people start clamoring for a wall to be built.
Fuck white people. If they lack the collective balls to say, ever so timidly, “I prefer the company and society of white people, overall,” then let them have as much multiculturalism as they can stand.
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stephan
stupid ideologue with his head up his ass. too stupid to be worth responding to.
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Now this is the sort of R/CR political post that works – more heresy, nicely packaged, and brief and utterly to the point.
Barry O. has done us the great favor of being entirely open about his hatreds, in technicolor no less. Only SWPLers can’t see this (unfortunately they, or their wanna-bes, are a high percentage of educated whites: good news is that after the Reb-o-lution culminates – we’re just in Phase 2 of 5 – the SWPLers will be the first honkys to get eliminated GULAG-style “as a class and race”).
I’ve seen this movie before. I spent a lot of time in the Balkans, it’s just like this … and we know where that leads. The fun part will be that history has never recorded a society as large, complex, wealthy, and well-armed as the USA imploding into racial war.
AZ’s movement this week – and let none underestimate the significance of this development – may slow down the mestizoization of the country, so whites may hold on to our majority a few years past 2042 after all.
The numbers are less important than the ideology, however, and thanks to all the guilty whites and SWPLers, not to mention all the race-hustlers and the whole f*cking US Government, whites lost the war for belief 30+ years ago. We the sheeple …
Any whites who doubt that Barry O. and his ilk will put us into camps (“counterrevolutionary elements”) as fast as possible need wake up quick.
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Tribal war? Started a long time ago. Stats have been available for yonks.
http://www.colorofcrime.com/
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I am loving the dumbshit libertarians on this thread. “Der, I don’t get it–wuts wrong with libertarianism? The opposite of libertarianism is BAAAAAAD!”
You know what? Let’s have more libertarianism, too.
Things I honestly want:
Full amnesty for everyone. Failing that, as much amnesty as we can get.
Gay marriage, everywhere.
Moar multiculturalism.
Hate speech codes. It should be criminal and jailable to bring up, for example, genetically-inherited intellectual and behavioral differences between and among racial groups.
Moar anti-discrimination. If any institution is implicitly white it’s explicitly racist and hateful and needs to be reconstructed.
Stop arguing, Roissy. What’s the point? You can’t find the outer limit of peoples’ hypocrisy, deniability, and cowardice by arguing with them in the comfort of a blog, classroom, or coffee shop. They keep saying THIS is what they want. GIVE IT TO THEM.
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DrSmooth
Piss off and stay shut lefty beta.
Who gives a shiite what you think?
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Don’t cry for me Argentina…..
In 1945, Argentina was one of the wealthiest
countries in the world, on a per capita basis.
Then Juan Peron got to be president, he
gave away the store, the poor cheered him
as a hero etc. But the deficit was humungous,
and by 1954, the country was a third-world
country, STILL scratching to get back.
The US is running a 10-12% deficit (and that’s just
the offical federal deficit, never mind balooning
actuarial obligations, the state and muni deficits
etc etc) Eight years of Obasms and we will be like
Argentina in 1954.
Time to move on…..
Thor
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stagetwo
you are more that invited to stay away, lefty beta.
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Decades ago we heavily mined the border between North and South Korea. Nobody crosses that border, but nobody, except through checkpoints/gates.
We should heavily mine the border with Mexico, while widely publicizing that we have in Mexican media, and with posted signs in Spanish and English on the border. And pass a law prohibiting any compensation for those that are stupid enough despite all this to get themselves killed or maimed.
Voila!
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I could forgive Obama for courting blacks and latinos, but the young? And women? That bastard!
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my mom is convinced Obama is gay. no joke.
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Gold has been a store of value for thousands and thousands of years. The Fed is a group of private bankers who create money out of thin air and then lend it out at interest. Ron Paul is spot on in this regard, but pretty weak on the border from what I have read. Libertarians are all about freedom of movement etc.
In other news, why is the painfully average Sarah Palin a national figurehead? She needs to stick to placard waving with the rest of the soccer moms and let someone like Pat Buchanan take the stage.
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whiskey
The smart thing for Germany to do would have been to let Greece go down the toilet and default. So they have to bail out some German banks holding Greek sovereign debt. That’s preferable to the blank checks of bailing Greece out.
The noise to the contrary by the Economist etc. is basically just pulling up the weakest by the strongest lefty socialism. Yeah the Economist has gone way more left in the last decade or so.
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All of you East Coast people have no clue how fucking bad it is in states bordering Mexico. Fucking sickening. You have to wear an oxygen mask when you go outside so you don’t get the mexican stench from all the filthy scum illegals ruining the country. Mexico is the most worthless country in the world.
They are so uneducated and worthless, yet they insist on having 10 kids for each fucking hideous, obese mother and her piece of shit boyfriend who probably is a fucking criminal.
Get out of America you filthy vermin. You are not human.
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In the words of a redneck:
“I’m with the black fella.”
Angry White has held the chains of power for too long.
Fuck the insurance companies.
Fuck the banks.
Fuck the rich guys.
Fuck those redneck, ignorant ass, medicaid using, food stamp chomping, bobby lee loving….morons.
Time for the working class to have a President. Give um hell Barry!
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@crazyshoe (especially)
crazyshoe says, “Push it farther to the left. Back the most lunatic anti-white programs and politicians you can find. …Fuck white people…let them have as much multiculturalism as they can stand” etc.
I agree completely. In fact the whole point behind most posts on my own blog, subtitled “Hastening the Apocalypse for Fun and Profit” have something like your aims in mind, although perhaps for different reasons. See for example my contribution drawing to “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”
@Roissy and everyone else interested in HBD and the disappearing white race and all that jazz, have you seen the new article in The Independent, “Out for the count: Why levels of sperm in men are falling”?
(Hint: It’s the MOTHERS’ fault!!)
By the way Roissy, I’m glad you continue to post on any and all topics that inspire you, Game-related or otherwise. Everything you write sparkles with originality. The naysayers are probably mostly young men who are at a very, very narrowly focused time of their lives and simply cannot focus on anything other than hot bitches; they’ll just have to eat what’s put on their plate.
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@Daleks
Tribes? White NAACP? White Congressional Caucus? You guys sound like a bunch of racist. Not saying that you are, but honestly that’s how you sound.
But let’s face it…who needs a white congressional caucus when Whites have been and continue to be the majority in power? That reminds me of the whole “where is the white entertainment television”? Hell it’s called ALL THE REST OF THE CHANNELS. Are you freaking kidding me? You guys remind me of the klansmen I grew up around in Georgia. They were always the poor, dumb redneck hicks afraid of everyone different and swearing everyone was taking something from them. The white people in power, who were capable, smart and rich didn’t have those same worries. You guys sound beta as hell.
You seem to look at all Latinos and all African Americans as a homogeneous block who all think and vote the same way, which is completely false. Not everyone falls for the Democrats version of “everyone is racist but us”. AKA stay on the plantation and let us tell you what to do/think.
As a long time reader of this blog and as an African American I find your take on this laughable at best. So the president is reaching out to groups that are usually ignored by the mainstream. And he’s doing some pandering to get elected..well he is a Democrat after all. What do you expect?
As for Obama. I’ll say this. Obama is not black. Not in the sense that I am. He didn’t grow up in working class roots. He never had to spend summers in the ghetto at his grandmother’s, or get beat up for “acting white” and “being smart”. He grew up with a white family and a white silver spoon in his mouth. He has more in common with you guys than he has with me. I always thought he married a black woman in part because he knew the racist out there would never accept him with a white wife and the undercover democrat racist would subconsciously feel the same. Also it looks good on the resume as being “the first black president” with a black family. Not saying he doesn’t love his wife and kids. We all know there are always other factors in choosing marriage partners than just love.
I was raised as a christian, a scout (eagle) a military man and as a person who was raised with more traditional conservative values. These values often put me at odds with some in my community but my parents believed that this was the way to having a better life. Most of the families in my neighborhood were the same way. Then again, I grew up lower middle class surrounded by a lot of ex military men who had intact families, the majority of which are still intact to this day. Maybe I’m a rarity for an African American. We had these values. You work hard, you show respect, you try to make something of yourself. You don’t beg, borrow or steal. You judge people by how they treat you and you try to do the right thing. I’m raising my children to be the same way when the time comes. I’m not the brightest guy, but I am hardworking and honest. Like the majority of Americans I’d like to think.
I always said if my parents were white they would be republican, as it stands they really don’t claim a political affiliation and neither do I. I see both parties as being full of it. I tend to fall more into the libertarian camp more than anything. I am not a big Obama fan. I’m against his socialized healthcare plan and his continuing the Bush Wars and bailouts, let em fail! I was with Bush until he got off the rails with Iraq, The Unnecessary Bureaucracy of the Office of Homeland $ecurity, The Stealing Your Rights Patriot Act, and the Last Minute Bank Rape..er..Bailouts. And that’s an issue I have with the Tea Partiers, where the hell were they when we got raped by the last President? He was white and republican so they would lubed up for him? Really? Pathetic. Imagine if Obama pulled a Bush and had “Protest Zones”. Those guys would go nuts, but didn’t give a shit when Bush did it.
If you want America to be great, it has to involve intelligent conversation and showing people of all groups that there is a different way to govern. I actually believe in what America stands for.. If the Irish, the Italian, the Jew, the German and anyone else can come here and be a productive American citizen, then so can I. Somehow I don’t think you guys believe that. Which is sad and pathetic. It is you who are abandoning America with your entitled princess syndrome. If America falls it’s your fault for abandoning it, and if America succeeds you will probably share in none of the glory as you don’t plan on doing any of the work. Fucking betas. Stop yelling the sky is falling, pulling the (woe is the white) race card, and playing the blame game and do something to make it better. The choice is yours. I’ll be working to make it better and trying to swoop some fly honeys in my spare time.”
Good post. What we really need in the US is an emphasis on the truth in political discourse and character. This used to be called civics. I think its the cultural Marxism and the concomitant cultural lies that has most people spun up. It spills over into racism, at least partly due to pent up frustration at being the root of all evil for SWPLs. In all fairness to tea party folks, they’re not pisseda t Obama as much as big government. many were opissed at Bush too, but only got organized when the Democrats got into office and started spending money like there was no tomorrow.
However, this country does not need more hate or more racism or violence. It needs good values, a majority of people that believes in and accepts those values, and passes them on to the next generation. Multi-culturalism within a state works fine as long as people have an over arching culture they must identify with that makes them American, are given a reasonably decent start in life, a decent education, opportunities, and made to be responsible for themselves.
Today we have created a situation where we have a lot of hucksters of various stripes claiming victimhood for political advantage and politicians racing to buy their votes by accomodating those pressures. We have too may lawyers creatign artificial controversy over everythign for cynical gain. That needs to end. I think it has been women most of all, who have hijacked affirmative action and used the government to make men the serfs of society. I’m simply tired of being looted and demonized to pay for the cynical freeloaders we have created in this nation over the last 50 years. We need level playing fields and we need more emphasis on strong nuclear families and good K-12 education. If we could create a consensus that we need these things, most of these other problems and resentments would evaporate like ether in the sun.
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The future of our country is a “soft partitioning” in the short term. Hispanics will come to dominate the southwest, and most of the Anglos that are left will eventually decide that Alta Mexico isn’t where they want to live. Most likely destination: the upper Midwest or parts of the South.
Eventually, there is going to be so little that holds us together that the “soft partitioning” described above becomes “why bother?” and the country begins the process of gradually splitting up into smaller, more ethnically homogenous nation-states.
Best case scenario is if the federal government recognizes that nothing lasts forever, and the breakup is just the natural order of things. Worst case is if the government tries to use force to prevent it. Then things could get ugly – you’d have Obama’s coalition of (single) women, blacks, and Hispanics using the force of the U.S. military against people who only wanted to be left alone.
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Why the fuck should mexicans get CA? They don’t deserve to have CA. They can have North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming etc. They don’t deserve CA with Malibu, Newport Beach etc being polluted by their filth. Get the fuck out of CA.
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It’s the part of the cycle.
Evil Man steals from other men to gain power.
Evil Man has it good…for awhile.
Eventually Evil Man loses loses moral authority because of all the evil and hypocrisy he’s done.
Eventually Evil Man’s society is destroyed because he loses moral authority(society is also bankrupted because of the evil man’s deeds…another man takes over….
rinse repeat…
The same will happen to China…any empire
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Meanwhile, in beautiful France….
“So we are thinking and seeking the truth. And this truth is found in the reality of the facts. And the facts demonstrate that we are witnessing an offensive against the Republic and against the French people, not only from conquering Islam, but from a part of the immigrant population or its descendants who are overtly rejecting our culture, our values and the right of the French people to live in freedom and security.”
–Cyrano via Gallia Watch, http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2010/04/civil-war.html
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stab me
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None of you guys have commented on the fact that young single white women are part of O’s formula for victory at the polls. These women must know that if the racial balance in the US is overthrown their special place at the top of the sexual pecking order will be overthrown as well. Will they continue to game the system demanding the most economic support for the least sexual output and procreation right up to the collapse, or do they have the foresight to see their own doom and take actions to prevent it?
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my mom is convinced Obama is gay. no joke.
Here’s a couple gay guys in Chicago who agree…
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/04/20/what-was-kal-penn-doing-at-dupont-circle-after-midnight/
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@Doug1
“Piss off and stay shut lefty beta.
Who gives a shiite what you think?”
Wow you’re so “alpha” by saying crazy extremist things. Overcompensating try-hards exist in game and politics.
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Does expressing un-PC sentiments to women get them wet?
I seem to recall a study where a black student leaves the room, bumping into a white one entering. When the black is out of earshot, the white guy mutters, in front of the room of the room of subjects, “nigger”.
When they later asked the subjects to rate the people in the room, the one that uttered the slur was highly ranked by some subjects.
I figured, highly ranked = wet pussies.
And I figured taboo behavior = alpha.
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not sure what changed for those groups….since America is only in worse shape since his election….but the rabble might just be smiling and feel great b/c there’s a black president. who knows?
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Israel is doomed. They are as Iran points out “a one bomb state” in that only one bomb is required to wipe them out. Israel simply won’t exist (and about 5-6 million Jews will be dead) in around five years. Iran needs to wipe them out as an example to the rest of the Gulf to get in line, cut oil production, so they can have oil at $300 a barrel and pay off their thugs.
Paul is a nut because he figures we can cut defense and dump Israel and not have problems with Muslims. China and Russia vote against Israel all the time, and play ball with Iran, and still have Muslims blowing stuff up. They’re not Muslim. Anyone not Muslim is a target.
Most “nice” places in Geneva or Zurich cost around $4-5 million. So Switzerland is pretty pricey, but nice.
Cute. White guys are second class citizens. Last in line. Israel built a whacking big fence to keep suicide bombers out. We ought to have one to keep gang-bangers, welfare recipients, and narco-gangs out. Without illegals, Phoenix would not be the kidnap capital of the US.
Doug1: Agreed. But the EUrocrats are tied to the notion of a trans-national sinecure and therefore the farce that Greece can be bailed out. As Wolfgang Munchau wrote in the FT, Greece is the EU’s subprime crisis. They just can’t pay.
Dave: Single White Women prefer Black guys, over White Beta guys, any day of the week, on average, and in most cases. Darker skin = perceived more masculine attributes, higher testosterone, dominance, etc. Inter-racial marriages are still rare, but the avid desire for Black guys by White women is pretty evident. Not the least of which is their disgust at Beta White guys, who they find revolting and would prefer gone from society. No matter what the cost to themselves long-term. Women in general don’t do much long-term thinking, they’re just not (most of them) built that way.
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TG–
Absolutely not.
Societies don’t lose moral authority from conquering too much in war or global business competition.
They lose moral authority due to worrying too much about it in leftist generated self doubt, and becoming too decadent and too equalist in various ways. Equalist = leftist/feminist/multiculturalist etc. I think it is undeniable that Jews, who are a high intelligence and high accomplishment group for legit reasons without doubt, have lead this process in America, through leadership left networked positions in universities and the media, since WWII.
Well it came to the forefront with the civil rights movement (the first ending of segregation and government discrimination parts of which did morally need to happen), the New Left and it’s anti-anti-communism, and second wave feminism, all heavily Jewish lead. (For those that doubt it on the civil rights side, see the makeup of the early NAACP and who was behind the legal battles against segregation, and so on, with roots going back to the 1930s and earlier.)
The New Left commenced the leftist/neo Marxist take over of our elite universities at least in the softer and more social/political subjects, away from a more genuinely liberal minded professoriate (welcoming widely competing points of view in fair debate sort of thing, let the truth rise to the top) that prevailed before them. This prevailing prior liberal intellectual mindset in the Uni’s was vulnerable to open mindedly hiring Marxist Leftists onto the professorial track, and then being squeezed out from appointing much new blood of like mind to their own.
The media as well began to reflect this cultural Marxist sort of “liberalism” of the New Left. Hence were bore the core taboos and doublethink of Political Correctness, viciously defended with quickly issued accusations of “racist”, “sexist” and “misogynist” — which can never be admitted.
Tip. We should admit rather than denying such terms, but only admit a refined meaning of them.
Yes I’m a misogynist, if by that you mean someone whose opposed to radical feminism, which is why the charge is usually leveled. But no I don’t hate women, I like many of them and love some of them. I’m a misogynist if by that you mean I don’t buy the absurd feminist claim that gender is entirely socially constructed or that men and women are in all important ways the same. Yes I do believe men naturally do and should usually lead women, not every man lead every woman, but as they pair up, and society as a whole on top, usually, yes. yes I oppose matriarchy such as we have now in American and Anglosphere divorce law and support female solicitious patriarchy, where men tend to lead, and are encouraged to do so.
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if there was a best time to close the border it would have been right before your ancestors tried to come in.
[editor: better yet, how about right before any english settlers arrived. that way, america could never have happened and the land would flow with milk and honey and teepees. and the moon would have been free of human intrusion.
ps dumbass.]
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Conservatives are stupid.
The “nation” wants you to settle down and breed new peons.
The “nation” closed its borders against the foreign women you want to fuck. And will shoot those fuckers if they try to climb over your wall.
*facepalm*
There is no such thing as society. There are only individuals.
By accepting collectivist premises, you ensure your own defeat. If you believe your own happiness is evil and the welfare of the fundie “society” is good, you have already lost.
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Whiskey–
Utter rubbish. Only 1/2 of 1% of white women were married to black men as measured by the last census, the most extensive social survey that exists in the US by far.
It’s simply a big anxiety of omega and lower beta guys, exacerbated by current heavy Hollywood entertainment propaganda in that direction, and some pron which feeds off of and probably greatly increases that anxiety.
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@OstroNova
I’m fond of calling it “right-wing Leninism.” The system is unsalvageable overall. The contradictions inherent in it need to deepen and worsen.
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Whiskey–
Some slutty white girls do sometimes prefer black male ALPHAS over white betas for casual sex, if those black guys are educated and in the range of the particular white girls intelligence, look fairly university type classy not ghetto bling peacocking, and are smooth or funny rather than thuggish. Those kinds of black guys are not just choc a bloc. VK and Ricky T would seem to qualify. Most even of these prefer white alphas for sure.
As well if/when some few slutty white girls make a thing of going black, they’re generally and appropriately ostracized by white guys. And usually the more attractive, less far far lefty/feminist white girls.
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Whiskey: your assumption is that white women will have a choice and not become second class citizens in an urban apocalypse/escape from New York/Mad Max scenario. I think that, on average, males prefer women of their own race/kind. As a result, and since an apocalypse scenario assumes a descent into tribalism, I don’t think the majority of say, hispanic women in an hispanic clan will tolerate the alpha of the clan selecting outside the group and elevating a white woman to the queen of the clan. Knowing that most men who read these threads assume that women are biologically programmed to be selfish, I was just wondering if anyone thought we might see white women reasserting long-dormant clannish loyalties which will be misinterpreted by white males along the lines of – “at long last they do love our male-generated white culture and will return to tradition etc” when in reality they will be recruiting white males to keep them in a dominant social position.
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There goes Whiskey, spreading disinformation as usual.
Jews and their supporters always play up the great “danger” Israel faces in order to get more people to commit even more sympathy, blood, and treasure for it.
They’re always exagerrating the “demographic crisis” of Israel to gentiles, even though privately to themselves they suggest otherwise:
http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2010/02/global-warmings-demographic-impact.html
Since urban lifestyles are detrimental for human reproduction, and no city is sustaining its population except by continuous reinforcement from the countryside, the implosion of Middle East population is becoming more and more probable. I think that about 2025 Jewish population growth in Eretz Israel will be larger than Palestinian Arab growth.
http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2010/04/israels-demographic-reservoir.html
Many political analysts wrote that Israel has lost the demographic race and it is condemned to Arab majority. They were all wrong.
Firstly, Jewish natural increase is growing. Today it is higher than any Western country and approaching our enemies.
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ANY minority who voted for this racist, Obama is merely a tribalist racist protecting their own pile; that’s understood.
BUT, ANY white who voted for a black racist is disgustingly self-loathing – or just plain fucking stupid.
White people may not deserve this country.
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Building a wall is beta. Electrified barbed wire ought to do the trick. Cheap, fast and virtually fool-proof.
Is there some way of applying game to the immigration issue?
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” I was just wondering if anyone thought we might see white women reasserting long-dormant clannish loyalties which will be misinterpreted by white males along the lines of – “at long last they do love our male-generated white culture and will return to tradition etc” when in reality they will be recruiting white males to keep them in a dominant social position.”
You nailed it Dave. Female manipulation of stupid males for their own benefit is protean, limitless and unstopable.
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editor: “if there is a national stage libertarian who understands the practicality of nations and national borders, and has a firm grip on the intractability of human nature and its consequential immutable inequality, i haven’t heard from him.”
I don’t know if he’s been mentioned, but Hans Hermann Hoppe is a libertarian who understands this and advocates nationalism (and other things conservatives should like).
Tyrone: You sound like a decent person, and I think some racially conscious whites would agree with much of what you say. On the other hand, it is not “racist” for whites to notice that Obama and all other politicians openly promote the racial interests of all non-whites and demonize the racial interests of whites. That’s an obvious truth, and something that whites have every right to be angry about. Most white people would be perfectly happy in a society where racial and ethnic differences weren’t important. Unfortunately, we seem to be the only group that actually wants that. Every other group seems to be hellbent on squeezing whatever it can out of the larger society without any concern for those outside the group. And a significant minority of most non-white groups seem to resent and hate white people.
When whites, and whites alone, are being targeted as a racial group, it’s only right and natural that they should organize themselves as a racial group. Like a lot of white people, I find that prospect unappealing. I’d rather not have to think about race at all, and focus on with other things. But now it’s being forced on us and it may well happen. If that turns out badly, blame the anti-white left for having forced a racial reaction out of people who, for the most part, would rather just be left alone and wish no harm to anyone.
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Asian-Americans, particularly 2nd generation Asians, vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
Jewish-Americans also vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
After Arizona’s law, the Hispanic Americans who were on the fence will also begin voting overwhelmingly Democrat.
Blacks, gays, and probably most non-Christians.
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Either learn to work with us, or get the fuck out. But remember EVERY developed country you would consider moving to is socialist compared to the US.
That said, the Mexican immigration (Reconquista) is excessive.
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Here we go – I found the study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090108144747.htm
This is where game and ethnocentrism (aka “racism”) intersect.
My understanding: alpha = taboo breaker = willingness to make racist comments in front of a room of strangers = wet pussies.
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I think Libertarianism sounds good in theory, but won’t actually work, at least not in today’s environment. People are too immoral, too entitled and too connected to their government for that system of government to work.
That said, socialism is a much worse place to be. Complete socialism will be the end of America.
Hopefully, the republican party gets back to being fiscally conservative, but gets rid of their religious bent they have. It’s hard to defend the republican party on social issues. Yet, I would never vote for the democratic party. They hate people like me.
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By the way Roissy, these political posts create some great threads because of the comments. I mean, look at how many comments there already are in this thread. I say keep up these type of posts.
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Tyrone–
Excellent post. I agree with all but parts of the first part of your post (not the quoted excerpt above). Your point about how most of our entertainment is white entertainment etc. What is though mostly white is also mostly created and informed and put in the media by those heavily influenced by cultural Marxism. By leftists. This viewpoint seeks to hold in a good light everyone else over white males, as much as it can plausibly manage at the moment in the cultural change leftists are ramming through.
I agree with you that women hijacked affirmative action and shouldn’t get it, or any form of playing fields tilted in the direction even in more traditionally male areas such as high level education and employment, while all traditional female titled areas of protection and solicitiousness such as family law are made even way more so despite womens ability to now work at all job and income levels.
We should pass a law prohibiting any form of discrimination whether affirmative action or otherwise which favors 1) women or 2) voluntary immigrants not brought here in chains or their progeny.
Immigrants knew or should have troubled themselves to learn the net balance of the positives and negatives that exist in this country for people of their background (what with any alleged “structural” discrimination that may supposedly exist balanced by real opportunities better than at home they judge).
I want to do away with black affirmative action too, but I’d live with that for another good while if we could agree to pass that law.
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Jay Z–
I agree with this too.
Only I think most Asians really want it too. It’s just that they figure if victimology is to be the political game of the land and they have a shot as minorities (albeit prosperous ones in America the case of most of these groups) at gettin in on some of that, they’ll take the shot. But they’re weakly allied at most with the victim groups, and could be fairly easily shaken off by the right sort of inclusive conservative message.
Not that many Asians here though compared to Latinos and blacks. Who despite the Tyrone counterexample, vote 80-90% democratic.
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I like the politics, people should stop bitching… Anyway a lot of libertarians are very aware of the problems with third world immigration*democracy would say yes to work permits (singapore/arab emirates style) and no to citizenship. If american I would probably identify as libertine paleocon.
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@fgf
Oh, super! I can’t wait for the headline: “LIBERTARIANS GET IT: SAY YES TO PERMITS, NO TO CITIZENSHIP.” Our problems are solved, civilization is saved!
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sal,
libertarianism relies on the premise that people respond to incentives and that as incentives change, so do behaviors.
your presumption is that when all safety nets are removed people will continue to act as “immoral” and dependent as they do now.
we already know how people act when the government isnt your safety net in a more or less libertarian country, it was called the 19th century US–particularly out west. in the almost complete absence of government people married, worked, went to church, gave to charity, defended their hearth and home and yes, some were even criminals–but can you compare the criminality of today to criminality back then? i’d say hardly
the problem with most mainstream libertarians today is they have no philosophy of government, only a sneaking suspicion they are agin it! and since it is an emotional intuitive suspicious hatred of government that drives them they can’t conceive of any positive attributes to government and consequently fall short when they, you know, like–run for office in said government
another wing of libertarianism, minarchy, has largely solved this issue in holding that the government isn’t just a “necessary evil” but that in order for humans to be free they most at base be freed of the ever present threat of and use of force from their FELLOW MAN. by giving a sovereign a monopoly on both the legal threat of force, in the form of courts and laws, and the legal USE of force, military and police–by providing courts and police the sovereign can act as a neutral arbiter to disputes that in truly anarchic human communities (like new zealand tribal “people”) lead to centuries of hatfield and mccoy like feuds that make civilization impossible to build. in this form of libertarianism government is a positive force required for the building and maintenance of advanced civilization and is only as “evil” a the men allowed to hold itsa reins by the people responsible for putting them there
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Can I hold her drink if I follow the holding with drinking it all?
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Roissy,
Since the rights of US males to even continue to be allowed to say hello to women without government regulation are under attack, it is high time to use your 3000 viewers per day to get the word out regarding what they might want to do with the Republican primaries coming up.
Ron Paul might be wrong on whether the Iraq War was right or not, but he and Tancredo (your kind of guy on borders) were the only Republicans to vote against VAWA, the arch enemy law for the MRM. You will want to encourage more “with it” types for sure…but he was the only one besides Tancredo not to stab us men in the back.
Here is a video showing why Sarah Palin earned the undying hatred of half the men’s rights movement. Here she is accepting an endorsement from a chapter of the NOW, radical feminist group:
Listening to this video will shock you, especially the way the idiot males in the crowd cheer.
A Freudian slip has her calling herself a “progressive” at least as far as “women’s rights” are concerned.
She then reveals her kicker: quoting Madeleine Albright in saying “there’s a place in Hell for women who don’t support other women”.
She said this about the NOW (National Organization for Women)!
And she is considered a Republican front runner.
And you didn’t catch this speech in October 2008. Our enemies openly tell us who they are…we just might not be listening when they say it.
You can rally your 3000 readers per day to influence the GOP.
Meanwhile, check out http://www.twitter.com/veteransabroad to see an interesting article on how White Nationalist men tend to pedastalize women like they did with the WKKK. The WN movement needs to be infiltrated to at least get those idiots away from the wrong side.
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Note how Sarah Palin actually admits in her speech that she wasn’t sure how the crowd (the males in it) would react to her basically endorsing the NOW. She didn’t need to worry because the men were all brain dead (beta is too nice a term). She seems pleasantly relieved that she got away with it…so it could be full steam ahead for her to mainstream feminism into the GOP.
Nobody has ever publicly asked Palin what she was trying to achieve with this speech. You’d think journalists would jump on it and at least revel in the idea that she had just effectively surrendered the GOP to feminists (the senile McCain would have been well aware of what she was doing).
The answer is that the 4th estate (journalists) have been very smart in the past decade in deliberately NOT discussing feminism’s victories inside the GOP. They didn’t and don’t want to alert men to it…like you can boil a frog slowly to death if you don’t turn the heat up too quickly.
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ELECTRIFIED BARBED WIRE NOW!!
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The black vote will be tiny in 2010 and the Democrats will pay a huge price.
That said, black voters are not traditionally liberal (think Prop 8 in California) and would support tighter immigration restrictions at the ballot box.
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Xontrarian
My understanding is that the PC and leftism steeped researchers failed to interpret the results of the experiment correctly.
The subjects watch a black guy “slightly bump” a white guy as the black guy is heading out of the room. Note as the experiments do not that the black doesn’t say “sorry” or similar, which is the normally expected thing.
So the middle “slightly racist” response “I hate it when black guys do that” isn’t irrational prejudice at all. Blacks are a good lot less likely to apologize to white guys in that situation than white or asian guys. it’s like they feel entitled by the racism charge, or immune, or chip on their shoulder about whitey. Or some combo. But anyway it’s a real racial difference that is irritating. No an imagined one for racist reasons.
Of course I’m using the older, more appropriate definition of racism, not the current cultural Marxism ties whites up in knots and doublething definitions, where one can’t admit seeing any racial differences at all.
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Mine the border!!
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Black males are waiting for GOP politicians to give them a reason to vote against feminist black women.
But the GOP beta male leaders (such as Ron Nehring – GOP Chairman in California) are terrified of insulting feminists.
This despite the fact that the majority of RTs to men’s rights accounts on Twitter are from conservative women who agree that feminists have to be stopped. Men are our worst enemy in the GOP. Getting enough GOP women to agree with men’s rights on social media is a piece of cake.
Look at the men whom Phillis Schafly is following:
http://twitter.com/eagleforuminfo
Many Republican women *want* real men to lead them and not be afraid of criticizing feminism by name.
But not one US politician since the 1990s has dared to do so.
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I hate the racist component of the whole PUA/HBD sphere.
Not all black people are self-professed victims, but those that are, are the darlings of liberal whites.
Tyrone above has an excellent point: class is a bigger dividing line than race.
I have more in common with my black and asian scientific and business colleagues than I do with those white people who didn’t do any postgraduate work in science or business.
I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don’t believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn’t want brotherhood with me.
That goes for the white sellouts who are driven by self-pity and entitlement as well as anyone else who sees me as an enemy because I am a white male.
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Curiously, there was opposition to German immigration for cultural reasons in the 18th Century. Even Ben Franklin didn’t like zee Germans. The Irish were also loathed and then the Italians, who came in the mid to late 19th Century. It seems to have been forgotten that the US did the best it could to restrict Eastern European and Southern European immigration in the late 19th Century but it happend. This post and many of the comments are reflective of the similar mindset of times past. Are they unfounded fears? In today’s political and economic climate, I would say no. We really don’t force immigrants to assimilate anymore and there are too many social safety nets potentially mitigating the drive and aspiration of productive immigrants. Are Mexicans as culturally different as Eastern Europeans? I don’t see how but the border does need to come under some control. You want to build a wall, fine. It seems to have worked for Israel but that’s a small piece of land they’re guarding. I’m in favor of posting troops along the Southern border but even Japan has illegal immigration and they’re a fucking island a fraction of our size. Not to mention the fact that its also a remarkeably homogenous population so an illegal there sticks out ten times more. Eliminating illegal immigration is harder than it seems.
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Roissy is not going to want the Estonians to build a wall to stop him from moving there. 😉
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@Doug:
The noise to the contrary by the Economist etc. is basically just pulling up the weakest by the strongest lefty socialism. Yeah the Economist has gone way more left in the last decade or so.
I’m glad someone else thinks so too. I wish I knew what happened, what made them get so weak kneed. When Maggie Thatcher was PM, they skewered lefty shibolleths left, right, and center. Now they parrot them. They would have been global warming skeptics in the old days. Now they defend it in spite of all this evidence to the contrary. I guess it was due to 12 plus years of a Labor government and belonging to the Financial times group. Too bad. I still read it, but the thrill is gone.
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PJAY
PUA is based entirely in systematically breaking down male female interactions by STEREOTYPICAL patterns of human sex behavior. it is only natural that the high systematizing mentality thats attracted to PUA in turn subjects all human races, endeavors, groups and cultures to the same semi autistic systematizing scrutiny. the charge of racism has become nothing more than a catch all epithet meaning “you’re not allowed to notice that!” it’s impact is waning fast
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DF
The mexicans that come here have an IQ in the high 80s average. Their children don’t get much smarter or do well in school, nor their grandchildren. Unlike our experience with eastern european and in fact all european immigrants.
Those are the facts. It’s probably partly genetic. But whatever combination of genetic and cultural it’s shown itself to be on average intractable.
That’s the main reason I want to let in far less of them than the illegal flood. Even the legal mexican immigrants are more than from all of europe combined in recent years. That’s wrong. Most of these are family reunification cases which means bringing in grandma and brothers and cousins. We should stop that unless the meet high skills/ good iq thresholds.
As well there’s unemployment now and it looks to be a long time in going way down.
We should begin mass deportations. And do so almost summarily, when they can’t show a green card/documentation. They can do their applying for assylum or whatever in Mexico or Honduras, Nicaragua or Guatemala.
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@Doug:
I agree with all but parts of the first part of your post (not the quoted excerpt above). Your point about how most of our entertainment is white entertainment etc. What is though mostly white is also mostly created and informed and put in the media by those heavily influenced by cultural Marxism. By leftists.
I think you’re mixing me up with the guy I quoted. I agreed with most of his post and thought it was the way to move forward with the most benefit for the most people. However, I agree completely with you about the influence of cultural Marxism. I find it to be pervasive, a massive proseletyzing movement by the literati of America. In fact, it is the pretty little lies that cultural Marxism forces us all to pretend to believe that leads us to places such as this. I think more than anything else, it is the pretty little lies of cultural Marxism that makes me angry, because it forces you to lie to yourself in order to believe it. If you’re smart enough to see through it, you’re denounced. Many of us have pent up anger from having to play this game. I think Obama’s election has inadvertantly opened up an honest discussion on race and class in America. I hope it remains a discussion and we all learn from it and better yet, implement some critically needed policy changes. I’m not terribly optimistic sometimes. Too many profit from the status quo.
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PJay
Gender realism and race realism tend to lead to each other. Discover one and you’re likely to discover the other.
Race realism or a genuine human biodiversity (HBD) perspective (there is no HBD ideology) is not racism, though leftists and most blacks argue/feel to the contrary. HBD as discussed at GNXP or by Steve Sailor is not racism. It is recognizing important no trivial racial differences including in mental qualities. That is differences in the statistical averages, though always arrayed as overlapping bell curves, not as platonic sphere with e.g. one up here in IQ and the other entirely lower down there in it.
Race realism shouldn’t involve race hate, or bigotry or judging an individual primarily by his membership in a group, rather than by his individual qualities.
It’s main purpose, other than just looking for the truth and past the lies and doublething and propaganda of the left (which has its own considerable intrinsic satisfactions for the skeptics among us) is to debunk the for some time now pervasive politically correct theory that evil and continuing discrimination and oppression is the only thinkable thing that could account for continuing lower black academic and income performance in this country. And hence we must endlessly turn our social policies in schools and government and forced upon corporations and firms on it’s head, away from emphasizing excellence above all, but instead to emphasizing raising up the lower performing blacks and children of immigrants Latinos above all else.
Yes there are a few look to be true racists that come to this board, usually intermittently. But most of the leading HBDers are true true sense of the word racists, nor most who talk about HBD issues here when they’re raised, though they (we) do see racial differences for reasons other than white discrimination and oppression.
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Pjay–
I said above:
The principal reason why is that the both require taking the red pill to really get.
The red pill is the dissolution of the hold that leftist thought deeply influenced by cultural Marxism, embodied in the mainstream by what’s politiclally correct, has on your thinking.
Once you let go of shrinking back from the cultural Marxist vilification of “sexism” and “misogyny”, you are likely to before too long realize there’s a whole lot of bullshiite behind the very quickly made charges of “racism” for noticing any racial differences that might not be all whitey’s fault also.
There you go.
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Roissy,
Obama’s racial appeal — considering the Left’s physical assaults to date on Tea Party and Republican activists (Google the names “Alle Bautsch and Joe Brown” together) since he came into office — sends more messages than just “Vote Democrat”
As in “Will no one rid me of this priest.”
The Obama and the Left are playing to their nutballs in 2010 exactly the same way Newt Gingrich did in 1993, prior to the OKY City Federal building bombing.
This is really bad for the simple reason that the Jacksonian base of the Republican Party does not intimidate worth spit and many are looking for opportunities to act out identity issues on Leftists using firearms.
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DF –
The problem with Mexico isn’t just culture. It’s also:
1. Proximity + cheap travel and easy telecommunications.
2. The number of Mexicans already here.
3. The grievance they nurse about supposed “lost territories.”
4. Their advocates in the media, academia, and government who actually hate this country.
Need I go on? The typical Polish immigrant of 1900 came into a country where none of this was going on, and once he was here wasn’t taught to hate America – quite the opposite.
It’s a wonder any assimmilation at all takes place. The entire political-media-religious-education-organized labor cartel is opposed to such ideas.
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@whiskey
You are a nut. Paul doesn’t want to cut defense in fact he wants to increase HOMELAND security. If by cut defense you mean stop throwing billions at israel and pull out of illegal wars overseas then you may just be correct. He intends to cut costs and SAVE money, you know that block up that trillion(s) dollar black hole in all your pockets, not just prevent terrorism. No ones sticking up for palestinians, no one stuck up for iraq….you are clearly a default zionist. Forget about israel, if you love the jews that much invite them over to america you already have half of them over there anyways. Or do the jews have your economy and government by the balls….yeh i thought so.
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Asian-Americans, particularly 2nd generation Asians, vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
Jewish-Americans also vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
After Arizona’s law, the Hispanic Americans who were on the fence will also begin voting overwhelmingly Democrat.
Blacks, gays, and probably most non-Christians.
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Either learn to work with us, or get the fuck out. But remember EVERY developed country you would consider moving to is socialist compared to the US.
That said, the Mexican immigration (Reconquista) is excessive.
I once read a silly statistic that at the rate of graduation every man woman and child in the U.S. would be a lawyer by 2050 or some other date in the near future. Don’t assume that circumstances that has been static will remain forever static. The term tipping point came into existence for a reason.
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P.S. Whats even more funny is that you seem to tout socialism when we are on the eve of the failure of socialism, and not just a national failure, but a global failure. Almost every western nation is swimming in debt caused by their entitlement programs.
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The working title to Tom Wolfe’s new book is “Back to Blood”. Its set in Miami, and its about immigration and multiple-ethnic cities and the kind of life that springs forth from them.
Im anxious to read his take.
We need a wall, with some mines, and some military posted on it. We need to control who gets in this country irregardless of our immigration policy for public health (swine flu anyone?), and for national security (want a real dirty bomb smuggled across the border so the Jihadists can blow up Dallas? me either). Even if we doubled legal immigration, that would be better than having 800,000 illegals come every year.
Our legal yearly limit is 1,000,000 (thats one million for you semi-numerate lefty’s out there). One million people is the size of a small state, every year. What the Obamaites are calling “reform” is an increase in that to 3,000,000. 3 million new people at a time when we already have 10% unemployment? Thats insane. Obama simply wants as many new voters as possible because he knows he’s likely to lose seats in the congress in 2010, and his job in 2012.
If you step back to 50,000 feet and look down, most of the Democratic parties initiatives are whatever would hurt the white male (and by extension white female) the most. The former in the near term, and the latter down the line in her life (when she wonders things like “where are all the good men?”). From the same vantage point, most of the neo-cons (modern GOP) initiates are harmful to the same people also. This wont hold for another ten years before the dam breaks and a real third party or usurpation of the GOP from within takes place.
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Asian-Americans, particularly 2nd generation Asians, vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
I think it was Steve Sailer that found this was an artefact of the districts Asians live in. Asians vote more Republican than whites in the same districts, but they tend to concentrate in heavily Democratic districts.
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The reason Ron Paul wants to disband the Federal Reserve is because they control America.
“Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Gold does not allow them to do this. They cannot print gold to steal the money of the savers. They can only print paper and feed the socialist state with it.
THAT is why you need a gold-standard. To pull off the parasites suckling at your teat via an increasingly socialist Government.
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PJay: “Tyrone above has an excellent point: class is a bigger dividing line than race.”
No, it’s not an excellent point. It’s tripe designed to distract from the real issues. Of course class issues exist, but historically these are trumped by race and ethnicity.
PJay “I have more in common with my black and asian scientific and business colleagues than I do with those white people who didn’t do any postgraduate work in science or business.”
You are missing the point by a mile. I too have some close non-white friends. In some respects, I have more “in common” with them than with less educated whites. But that is a superficial analysis. At the end of the day, it comes down to tribe.
How so? It is the tribe, broadly taken, that creates the culture, the context in which we as individuals must live. Blacks and Asians, as a tribe, pursue their own interests – your friends (and mine) notwithstanding. Hence everything from affirmative action and set asides, to schools wrecked by integration (of course mostly supported by white tax dollars), to shitty music and crime. Non-whites, as a group, have created huge areas of the country where, for all practical purposes, I can’t even live. Not to mention they scoop up virtually all of the affordable housing, requiring me to put much more effort into my career than I would necessarily care to.
When I was a kid, a guy with a very modest income could live in an all white neighborhood with no crime at all, good schools, friendly neighbors. Now? Forget it, at least in any significant metro area. You need to be upper middle class today to “buy” the social amenities that were par for the course just a few decades ago. You need to be a professional to purchase the social goods that, not so long ago, were open to a plumber. The change has been monumental, and incredibly quick.
Are your non-white friends solving any of the above problems? Of course not, because they don’t make the culture. The tribe does.
So the point is, no matter how much respect and friendship I may feel toward certain non-whites, as a group they are extremely harmful to my interests and those of my people. Context, dude, context.
And what about those less educated whites of my tribe, the ones I have little “in common” with? Well, it’s true, I don’t really care to socialize with them, as a general rule. But in their simple way, they help create a context that is favorable to my interests. They don’t demand affirmative action or set asides. Their crime rates are low enough that I don’t have to worry about those sorts of problems. And hey, they produce a lot of pretty girls that are easy on the eye.
Point is, they help create, or at least don’t destroy, the kind of social and cultural context that suits me. Therefore, on a very deep level, we have an awful damn lot in common. That’s part of what a tribe is, dude. We don’t need to socialize, we’re on the same team anyway. If you don’t understand that, you don’t understand what is going on. I’m sure there are plenty of nice non-whites in South Africa, but that does’t mean it would be a good context for me to live or raise a family.
Oh, and as an aside. These Asians, many of which are likeable on a personal level? They voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Why is that? This, a people that are disproportionately small businessmen, doctors and so forth. The very economic profile that, if white, would have voted overwhelmingly Republican? Supposedly Indians (dots, not feathers) voted at 90 percent for Obama. 90 percent!!??!!
Hmmmmm. Interesting, eh? For one, they don’t respect people like you. They may be friendly, but in the privacy of the voting booth, they are inclined to vote against what they see as white interests, even if it costs them financially. Race and tribe trump their meagre regard for you. Unrequited love’s a bitch, I know.
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+ 1000 to Everything Ryder said.
White people who, at this unimaginably late stage in the game, still don’t get it, don’t deserve any bit of salvation that might be coming. And honestly, I doubt there will be much for anyone.
Despite how nightmarish they have become, bigger issues loom than gender and race realism. These are just symptoms of much bigger trouble: the ever-expanding debt-based economic systems and resource consumption of modern civilization are in the process of hitting a wall. Our way of life has been a short-lived orgy of consumption that will soon end.
lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
http://guymcpherson.com/2010/02/entropy-revisited/
Given the extreme and obvious sickness of the modern “multicultural” western society, anyone who still is in the self-flagellating white man guilt mode should be left for dead. You might as well argue with feminists.
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And the winning submission for a replacement phrase for “pointless waste of time” goes to Brandon, for
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You really have to shoot back at every response to your crappy political commentaries? You pussy little keyboard-jockey, you can’t handle anyone realizing you hate Obama because you’re a racist.
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Hey Gorilla, you use the word racist like it’s a bad thing.
If someone is a racist in the sense that you think people should be ashamed about and you’d expect them to want to hide, then they are not likely to actually be ashamed of it.
If someone is a racist in a way you probably can’t acknowledge, (race realist), they also wouldn’t be ashamed.
So why do you accuse someone of being something they wouldn’t be ashamed of?
Racist isn’t an insult, unless you qualify it. Nowadays racist doesn’t mean what you want it to mean.
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xsplat,
Only on the blogs. If “race realism” ever gets any currency in real life beyond crackpots like John Derbyshire or the BNP then I’ll accept that the connotations of “racist” has changed.
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Only on the blogs? As opposed to real life?
Hmmm. Not sure how that works.
Do you mean blogs as opposed to other internet media, such as forums? Or blogs as opposed to non-anonymous conversation.
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We’ve all heard the phrase “women and minorities” thousands of times. Ever notice how easily it rolls off the tongue? It proves how conditioned we’ve become to the notion that White women have more in common with nonWhites than to their own White husbands, brothers, fathers and sons. A notion that is absolutely false obviously but is rarely challenged or even thought about in any meaningful way.
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@Xontrarian
“Here we go – I found the study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090108144747.htm
My understanding: alpha = taboo breaker = willingness to make racist comments in front of a room of strangers = wet pussies.”
Of course!
“My understanding is that the PC and leftism steeped researchers failed to interpret the results of the experiment correctly”
Exactly!
@Doug
“They would have been global warming skeptics in the old days. Now they defend it in spite of all this evidence to the contrary.”
Apparently, The Economist is turning on Global Warming.
But they are still “wet” (Thatcher’s term).
@Doug1
“Those are the facts. It’s probably partly genetic. But whatever combination of genetic and cultural it’s shown itself to be on average intractable.
We should begin mass deportations. And do so almost summarily, when they can’t show a green card/documentation.”
The IQ differences between
various immigrant groups: Much, maybe all, of the
differences can be explained by a selection process.
Immigrants from mostly egalitarian Europe tend to
come from the upper half of the socio-economic scale,
seeking a less egalitarian (i.e. favorable to them)
setup. (At least pre-Obama.) Also, it takes a lot of
initiative to move from say the UK to the US.
Mexicans, with a long common border, can sneak
in quite easily. Additionally, those who are well
established in Mexico (physicians, engineers etc)
have no incentive to move to the US. The non-egalitarian
Mexico provides them with a higher standard of living
(considering the MUCH lower cost of living), ample
and cheap domestic help, and the prestige of being
SOMEBODY, El Señpr Engeneiro (sp?) or equvalent.
@dana
“…giving a sovereign a monopoly on both the legal threat of force, in the form of courts and laws, and the legal USE of force, military and police–”
Actually, no. Government does not even now have
a sovereign monopoly on force. Everybody has a right
to self-defense. And various Security Companies are
in effect selling “force”. HOWEVER, government has
a monopoly on RETALIATORY force, most places.
@z
“We need a wall, with some mines, and some military posted on it. We need to control who gets in this country ”
Maybe. And yes, it is un-libertarian. But it may be
necessary. If illegals have ANY right to welfare,
the wall is needed to protect the taxpayers in
general. And even if not, the wall will moderate the
impact of immigration on the least qualified citizens –
they are the most exposed to competition by aliens.
Thus a wall makes abolitition (or dreastic reduction)
of welfare in all its form an easier political sell than
it otherwise would have been.
@Ryder
“You are missing the point by a mile. I too have some close non-white friends. In some respects, I have more “in common” with them than with less educated
whites. But that is a superficial analysis. At the end of the day, it comes down to tribe. ”
The argument is circular to a large extent. I am willing
to accept as my “tribe” primarily any middle or preferably
upper-middle class person, except the obvious parasites,
such as certain government workers, certain lawyers etc.
They need to be net producers (this includes plumbers
whether I care to socialize with them or not).
Ethnicity is very much a secondary consideration,
at least to me.
East Asians have much lower crime rates than whites.
Etc.
Thor
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Dow was down %2. Goldman Sachs actually getting grilled. Gold rising sharply. Today really did have an end of the world feel to it, or at least end of the world as we know it.
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This country is turning into Zimbabwe!
Pack your bags, we’re going to hell in a handbasket!
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I approve of this post and the editorial comments to the reader comments.
Honkies up
Feds down
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Mexicans are scum. They are not human. Other people come from countries around the world and bust their ass to get an education and to become doctors, lawyers, scientists etc. They don’t expect free handouts like the mexicans do. The mexicans come into the US, have 10 kids and just pollute the country. They are lazy as fuck.
What benefits the US in regards to national security with having the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans as buffers, also works to its disadvantage with it being so close to the most repulsively vile and disgusting country and people in the world with the mexicans. Lazy fucking bums.
They are taking over America. They fucking refuse to learn english. They fucking demand that everything be in spanish too. Guess what motherfuckers, spanish is the language of scum. The language of vile vermin who the laws of human decency need not apply.
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@Whiskey:
Most “nice” places in Geneva or Zurich cost around $4-5 million. So Switzerland is pretty pricey, but nice.
You’re right when it comes to buying, but rents are much cheaper. You can get decent places in Geneva or Zurich for as low as 900 Francs a month.
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@Roger
you may not like Mexicans, but the ones I saw working in the Atlanta area in the construction industry worked very hard. I became friends with the contractor who built my house and he flat out told me they hire them because the same people in that salary range in the US won’t work as hard and have lots of personal issues, so they don’t show up a few days etc. He said that was never a problem with the Mexicans he dealt with. He also said he paid the Mexicans what the US would also be demanding, its just that they worked hard and were more productive in many cases. He said he hired mostly US electricians, masons, plumbers, and finishing carpenters, but dry wall, concrete work, structural carpentry, painting, and landscaping was all dominated by Mexicans.
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Thanks for the political commentary Citizen, its easily as salient as the gaming. Death to pretty lies.
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Great post and discussion.
@stephen
“Just remember, walls built to keep others out can be used to keep us in.”
…and the winner for best proof of libertarians are stoopid goes to stephen!
Yes stephen, most people don’t put doors on their houses because they could be barricaded in from the outside.
Remember the simple rule of thumb for a libertarian: if an army from another country pours into an area and is followed by a bunch of colonizers who drive out the natives, that’s bad. If they skip bringing an army and a gang of colonizers move in and make areas unlivable for the natives, well then, that’s great!
Easy to get approval from libertarians for conquering a country. Just skip the invading part and go right to the displacing natives part. Too bad that doesn’t work outside the west, in fact, the people who tried that sort of thing might be subjected to violence if they tried such a venture. Might want to think that over.
@Tyrone
“”@Doug:
The noise to the contrary by the Economist etc. is basically just pulling up the weakest by the strongest lefty socialism. Yeah the Economist has gone way more left in the last decade or so.”
I’m glad someone else thinks so too. I wish I knew what happened, what made them get so weak kneed. When Maggie Thatcher was PM, they skewered lefty shibolleths left, right, and center. Now they parrot them. They would have been global warming skeptics in the old days. Now they defend it in spite of all this evidence to the contrary.”
Where do you think the writers for the Economist come from? They spring fully formed from the brow of Zeus? They come from the same institutions that educate everyone else. If you want to read how badly a supposedly “libertarian” can twist herself into knots trying point out why progressive policies are bad ideas without ever venturing into crime-think, read Megan McArdle’s blog. Bonus: she’s a former writer for the Economist.
@Doug1
Race realism shouldn’t involve race hate, or bigotry or judging an individual primarily by his membership in a group, rather than by his individual qualities.
You know, unless you’re driving a cab and want to live to 50.
I know this isn’t going to be your reply (you’re far too sensible) but for the people thinking: “Oh yeah, what about a black guy in a nice suit? Would you rather pick up a group of dangerous looking white guys?” be aware that you’ve made an (implicit) empirical claim. Are you really sure which of those two groups is more dangerous? Do you have numbers to back your politically correct mental reflex?
@z
“If you step back to 50,000 feet and look down, most of the Democratic parties initiatives are whatever would hurt the white male (and by extension white female) the most. … This wont hold for another ten years before the dam breaks and a real third party or usurpation of the GOP from within takes place”
Every progressive policy has been dedicated to impoverishing (as much as is possible for such a successful group), indoctrinating the children of and generally displacing the middle classes for a really, really long time. The current situation? The middle classes are as weak and divided as they have ever been. You think they’re going to have the strength to roll back these changes through the political system when the demographics of the citizenry has been changed specifically to exclude them? I wouldn’t bet on it.
@Thor:
“The argument is circular to a large extent. I am willing to accept as my “tribe” primarily any middle or preferably upper-middle class person, except the obvious parasites, such as certain government workers, certain lawyers etc. They need to be net producers (this includes plumbers
whether I care to socialize with them or not).
Ethnicity is very much a secondary consideration, at least to me.”
You don’t get to pick your tribe. Tribes pick their own members. You may try to belong to the “producer” tribe but, for example, Indians (hinduism’s adherents have the highest income of any religion) don’t want to belong to the “producer” tribe. They want to belong to the “let’s loot other groups” tribe (someone else on the thread pointed out that they voted 90% for Obama) maybe they belong to the “you guys should loot those guys over there instead of us” tribe but either way, you’re not invited.
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someone explain what HBD is
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@dc
HBD = human biodiversity.
http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/06/hbd-human-biodiversity.html
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Steve Johnson–
Traditionally they came straight after graduation from Oxford, Cambridge and the London School of Economics (really of social science). From the conservative unions of such schools. I don’t know how much that’s still the case. England does however preserve it’s traditions, or did, more than most places.
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dc
Human bio-diversity.
It’s a term coined by either the folks at GNXP or Steve Sailor, and mad popular on the webs by the later, which refers to the insight that the fundamental design of nature through evolution is not to make each member of a species including the human species exactly equal in all important respects, but rather to make individuals diverse in their assortment of trades.
That’s the design of sexual reproduction in particular. To preserve and constantly reshuffle in the genes from each sex that will get expressed in an embryo as it matures, a great deal of variation.
That includes variation in all kinds of mental traits, including intelligence, aggression, time preference, extroversion vs. introversion, empathy vs. selfishness, and so on.
The “purpose” of this preservation of variation is to have a wide toolkit available when the environement for a species changes rapidly. That includes the physical climactic environment yes, but most often that means the environment posed by the challenge of other species – diseases and preditors, and spieces we ourselves eat and so on. As well esp. for humans, the environment posed by our own developing culture and technology, and the competition of other tribes of humans.
It’s finally, and here’s what you really want to know, the insight that it would be utterly remarkable, and completely unique in the biological record, if widely separated geographical sub species (which in humans and other animals are also called races by biological scientists) or races, which have largely intra-bred for millenia, and done so in different environments of all kinds, hadn’t developed at least somewhat different characteristics on average in this mix of preserved geneticly expressed diversity, including mental differences. Genetic drift alone would cause that as we see in other species. But so do environmental differences, of the sort that Jared Diamond writes about being so important in “Guns, Germs and Steel” (but then completely ignores, no doubt wilfully, the inevitable feedback those differences would have not just on human culture but also on racial genes.)
It’s the insight the human equalism in all important respects is a concept fundamentally alien to the biological sciences.
It’s a Marxist concept, when taken beyond equality of rights to mean equality of talents or results.
Do you now grok?
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assortment of traits.
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@Steve Johnson
“You don’t get to pick your tribe. Tribes pick their own members. You may try to belong to the “producer” tribe but, for example, Indians (hinduism’s adherents have the highest income of any religion) don’t want to belong to the “producer” tribe. They want to belong to the “let’s loot other groups” tribe (someone else on the thread pointed out that they voted 90% for Obama) maybe they belong to the “you guys should loot those guys over there instead of us” tribe but either way, you’re not invited.”
Other than voting behavior (from where do you get the
statistics?), on what do you base that Indians want to
“loot other groups”? Their personal behavior strongly
suggests otherwise. Ditto for Chinese etc.
All based on the small (compared to the base population
from which they come) population that immigrated to
the US, those are the ones that matter most,
at least to those
living in the US.
Thor
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[I’m going to clean up what I jotted down hastily above about HBD, since I may link to this later]:
dc–
The acronym stands for “human bio-diversity”.
It’s a term coined by either the folks at GNXP or Steve Sailer, and made popular on the internet by the later. It refers to the insight that the fundamental design of nature through evolution is not to make each individual of a species, including the human species, exactly equal in all important respects, but rather to make individuals diverse in their assortment of traits.
That’s the design of sexual reproduction in particular. To preserve and constantly reshuffle in the genes from each sex, that combination of traits which will get expressed in the embryo as it matures.
That includes variation in all kinds of mental traits, including intelligence, aggression, time preference, extroversion vs. introversion, empathy vs. selfishness, and so on.
The “purpose” of this preservation of variation is to have a wide toolkit available when the environment for a species changes rapidly. The variation occurred in the first place due to odd mutations which weren’t fatal but rather were neutral or incurred some advantage. But favorable mutations in genes arise very slowly. Sexual reproduction which reshuffles them and evolution’s process of preserving sometimes advantageous variation at at least a low level of frequency in species, is what allows rapid adaptation.
Environment includes the physical climactic and chemical environment yes, but most often that means the environment posed by the challenge of other species – diseases and predators, and changes in species we ourselves eat and so on. As well especially for humans, changes in the environment posed by our own developing culture and technology, and the competition of other tribes of humans.
It’s finally, and here’s what you really want to know, the insight that it would be utterly remarkable, and completely unique in the biological record, if widely separated geographical sub species (which in humans and other animals are also called races by biological scientists) or races, which have largely intra-bred for millennia, and done so in different environments of all kinds, hadn’t developed at least somewhat different characteristics on average in this mix of preserved genetically expressed diversity, including mental differences.
Genetic drift alone would cause that, as we always see in other species. But so would differences in the environments which different geographical races faced for millennia, of the sort that Jared Diamond writes about being so important in “Guns, Germs and Steel”. (But then he completely ignores, no doubt willfully to remain and become more of a politically correct intellectual hero, the inevitable feedback those differences would have not just on human culture, but also on racial genes.)
HBD is the insight that human equalism in all important respects is a concept fundamentally alien to the biological sciences and evolution.
It’s the realization that instead equalism is a Marxist ideological concept, when taken beyond the equality of rights of the Enlightenment and US Declaration of Independence, to mean equality of talents or results.
Capiche?
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“Other than voting behavior (from where do you get the
statistics?), on what do you base that Indians want to
“loot other groups”? Their personal behavior strongly
suggests otherwise. Ditto for Chinese etc. ”
Wow…The Desis and the Chinks are joining the Hebes! Gosh, the Jews rejoice! Not so lonely anymore!
Umm, this is more stupid Stormfront bullshit, which is in essence denial of a group’s positive contribution to society.
I mean, I know (as Nietzsche said) you guys lie on principle, but could you make your lies a little harder to debunk? This is really no challenge. Those Desi/Kike/Chink physicians/dentists/medical researchers/engineers would appreciate it. Thanks.
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JB
D’accord.
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I’m with Rossy, I say bring it. I always thought that Sherman was not thorough enough. Maybe we can depopulate the Republican south and repopulate it with fresh stock from the northern cities and mexico. LOL.
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Politicians always do what is politically expedient, and Obama knows he has to pucker up and kiss the ass of feminists, or else his career is doomed. That’s why Biden the VAWA man was picked as VP. That’s why Hillary the harpy (once a bitter political rival) was picked as SoS. That’s why Sotomayor was picked. That’s why the Title IX ‘loophole’ was closed.
It’s open and clear to anyone who has the least bit of discernment, and therefore hardly surprising. Obama worships the vagina, and you’re that new nigger slave on the plantation if you do not have that gash between your thighs.
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“Ethnicity is very much a secondary consideration,
at least to me. East Asians have much lower crime rates than whites. Etc.”
Thor, reality doesn’t really care what your considerations are. This isn’t an all you can eat buffet, where choices are infinite and reality is optional. Your considerations are irrelevant (at best) if they don’t correspond with reality.
Fact is that Asians, as a group, are not motivated to protect or promote your interests. You are not invited to the party. To pretend otherwise is fantasy.
Tribes promote their own interests, they work as a team. A tribe may squabble and have divisions of its own, but it still more or less pulls in the same direction, and tends to come together under threat from outsiders. Tribes that fail to do these things are what we call unsuccessful tribes. They aren’t likely to last.
Sometimes the team manifests itself as a small group of folks who know one another, typically related by blood. Asians are known for all sorts of cooperative ventures, particularly in terms of helping one another establish businesses. Have any of these Asians that you admire cut you in on one of these deals? Set you up in business, while demanding reciprocation from you? Didn’t think so. You can identify with them, but they don’t identify with you.
On the macro level, it can manifest itself in voting patterns and policy positions. As I mentioned above, Asians voted overwhelmingly for Obama, even though they fit the economic profile of Republicans (high percentage of doctors, businessmen, etc.). Why is that?
In terms of affirmative action, immigration, or cultural issues, when does the Asian community come to the assistance of whites? When do they say, “Hey, these whites let us into their country and provided us with the opportunity to be incredibly successful. It’s just wrong to discriminate against them.”
Answer: never. The Asian community never says this. The Asian community has, to my knowledge, NEVER taken a meaningful position in defense of the white community. Whites can be lampooned, insulted, discriminated against. The Asian community speaks out against this how often? (the Asian community will start screaming about affirmative action when it hurts THEM in university admissions, particularly in California. But in defense of whites? never)
So, Thor, the bottom line is that you aren’t part of their tribe. They haven’t invited you, they aren’t going to invite you, and they aren’t going to protect or promote your interests.
Of course, even if by some fluke you were “invited” to join an alien team (you won’t be), your position would be precarious indeed. You could easily find yourself uninvited, because you lack the real ties of blood (genetic relatedness), history, etc. Real tribes, tribes that endure, are based on much more than a mere invitation, or a temporary overlap of interests. That’s where the saying “Blood is thicker than water” comes in. A real tribe is in the marrow, so to speak.
Sort of like that line in How the West was Won: “A man belongs with his own kind…whether he likes ’em or not.” This is about tribes, not a trip to a cafeteria.
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Exactly, all the HBD-ers and “race realists” can do is parrot White Supremacist rhetoric or curse Mexicans. And the joke of a journalist Steve Sailer is cited more often than astrophysicists mention Stephen Hawking. Pathetic!
[editor: sailer is mentioned so often because there are so few pundits like him willing to face the facts head on.]
The election was over a year and a half ago. You lost! And you’re going to keep losing. Let us know how it’s going when the US reaches 30% hispanic and 20% black!
[i dunno. have you seen zimbabwe lately?]
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@Ryder
“Thor, reality doesn’t really care what your considerations are. This isn’t an all you can eat buffet, where choices are infinite and reality is optional. Your considerations are irrelevant (at best) if they don’t correspond with reality.
Fact is that Asians, as a group, are not motivated to protect or promote your interests. You are not invited to the party. To pretend otherwise is fantasy. ”
I am not invited to anybody’s party, AFAIK. So, no difference.
“Sometimes the team manifests itself as a small group of folks who know one another, typically related by blood. Asians are known for all sorts of cooperative ventures, particularly in terms of helping one another establish businesses. Have any of these Asians that you admire cut you in on one of these deals? Set you up in business, while demanding reciprocation from you? Didn’t think so. You can identify with them, but they don’t identify with you. ”
Nobody, of any ethnicity, has “invited” me to anything
interesting. Again, no difference.
“On the macro level, it can manifest itself in voting patterns and policy positions. As I mentioned above, Asians voted overwhelmingly for Obama, even though they fit the economic profile of Republicans (high percentage of doctors, businessmen, etc.). Why is that? ”
Yes indeed. I would like to know. It does not seem to
further their own interests, as far as I can tell. I don’t
even know that it is true.
“In terms of affirmative action, immigration, or cultural issues, when does the Asian community come to the assistance of whites? When do they say, ‘Hey, these whites let us into their country and provided us with the opportunity to be incredibly successful. It’s just wrong to discriminate against them.'”
No they don’t. Nor does anybody else.
“Answer: never. The Asian community never says this. The Asian community has, to my knowledge, NEVER taken a meaningful position in defense of the white community. Whites can be lampooned, insulted, discriminated against.”
It seems that the main lampooners of white men are other
whites, men and women. Talk about self-abuse!
“The Asian community speaks out against this how often? (the Asian community will start screaming about affirmative action when it hurts THEM in university admissions, particularly in California. But in defense of whites? never)”
So what? If they speak out against affirmative action,
if it has any effect at all, it helps whites as well as Asians.
Ditto if anybody else (like whites) do so.
“So, Thor, the bottom line is that you aren’t part of their tribe. They haven’t invited you, they aren’t going to invite you, and they aren’t going to protect or promote your interests. ”
Nor is anybody else. Again.
Sorry about the long quotes.
Thor
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Roissy, my believe is that a goverment supporting criminal-bottom-of-the-barrel scum is the reason of why Democracy doesn’t work.
If the US wants to build a barrier, fine.
But I rather die than suport the major dick move of letting the borders open and collect al 18+ MALES as a payment to be used as cannon fodder in Afganistan so that their wives can be more single moms with bastard childs dependant. Aka the Bush-Obama strategy.
(To all ideas of that as a fair payment for the “benefits” of living in the US: FUCK YOU).
But then, I rather be shot than moving a finger for any country, specially mine (not an US citizen).
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I don’t get upset by this stuff. This country is over, so no sense crying over spilt milk.
The whites just gave up on having their own country and on controlling their own fate. White people are very stupid.
End of story.
Which doesn’t sadden me. All things end. Prosperity destroys everything it touches.
So, party on, dude. Let the others get to pay off the national debt.
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Organizing men politically is like herding cats.
Renegade just put in a PS as an aside and half the cats ran off to consume the catnip of a tangent issue. And the Mexican Influx is an indirect issue for the following reasons:
1) If Mexican immigrant men were patriarchal and prone to vote anti-feminist, we white men would want MORE of them coming to the US and telling their wives and daughters to vote the way they do.
2) Wait a second…Mexican and Indian immigrant men actually ARE prone to be persuaded with anti-feminist politics but the WHITE MANGINA REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS REFUSE TO EVEN MENTION FEMINISM in any of their speeches and press releases for fear of “losing women voters” that aren’t even going to vote GOP in the first place.
Indian men know more than US men how a democracy (as opposed to a republic) can destroy male rights. Feminism is arguably worse in India than in the USA.
But Indian men come here and they see feminists like Sarah Palin in firm control of the Republican agenda. I don’t blame them for being repulsed.
It is a mistake to believe people will vote mainly by their status in the eternal class war. But if you, as a Republican, politician, frame an election as a class war, the poor WILL vote against you.
Now I understand that the feminists have adeptly harnessed class war politics so as to control the vote of stupid poor men (any poor man who votes feminist so he can get a handout needs to face a military firing squad), but the fact remains that white mangina White Knighters in the Republican Party have not even begun to start to begin to even think about trying to peel off the immigrant male vote with talk about how their gender rights are being violated left and right.
Now I said above that Sarah Palin is part of the problem (see the video of her endorsing feminism while getting endorsed by the National Organization of women).
Men are 45% of the vote (so the leftist media says).
That is a powerful voting bloc if it could get half-organized.
The tone of the comments really should be along the lines of how are we men going to affect the GOP Primaries which are happening now for the 2010 elections.
Now about Libertarians: The actual LP has been acting confused for its entire existence but basic libertarianism cannot be defined as being in favor of the current Mexican invasion. It is about getting government, especially the federal government, out of all of our lives. Libertarianism would allow Arizona to guard its own borders.
Bob Barr got a huge male vote in 2008…but nobody wanted to report about that, not in the media of course, but also not much on the blogs and, surprisingly, not even much in the men’s rights blogs.
Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo (the latter being the #1 politician to try to fight the Mexican invasion) were the only Republicans to vote against VAWA, the latter of which included IMBRA which tries to convince East European women who want to meet American men that it is too much of a hassle and a dangerous thing to do.
So while the LP is confused much of the time, the GOP is worse and some off-the-wall social conservatives like Sam Brownback have declared themselves our enemy.
There is a lot to be done to organize the male vote. The trick, of course, is to WANT to get organized.
I’ve noted that more than 10,000 conservative women follow men’s rights micro-bloggers on Twitter.
A symptom of wanting to get organized is to stay on topic.
So, yes, poor and stupid immigrant males will tend to vote Marxist (no need to waste space saying that this is so)…but history has shown us that this can be counteracted with a loud and open appeal to their MANHOOD, not the current politically correct GOP rhetoric nor anything racist sounding.
I noted above that there is a great article in Spearhead Magazine about White Nationalist males being largely White Knighters who pedestalize women. See on Twitter @SpearheadMag or see @VeteransAbroad.
Be racist only after you’ve explained to a brain-dead immigrant male that the Dems are controlled by women who want him castrated….and he still wants to vote for them.
Make the male gender the “tribe”. At least try to.
Keep in mind that the GOP has not tried to get Orthodox Jewish males with an anti-feminist argument nor Asian males that way either.
Actually, Arnold Schwarzenegger won in 2003 by calling Democrat males “Girlie Men”…a winning strategy that Republicans have completely failed to try to repeat.
Our main focus needs to be the fact that women have taken over the Republican Party since 2003 (when Arnold was allowed to run by calling Dems Girly Men) and we need to simply take it back (easy if we just try, because conservative women want us to be real men and take it back but only scared beta males are volunteering for politics these days).
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There are good books out there about how libertarian Republicans, especially in the west, are starting to outnumber social conservative Republicans and are in a fierce battle with socons for control of the GOP.
It is this civil war for control of the GOP that got Obama elected.
Too bad few are blogging about it. Don’t expect liberal journalists to discuss this topic because they WANT socons to continue to be their main opponent. For Democrats, making fun of social conservatives is like shooting fish in a barrel because most males agree with the criticism.
Small l libertarian Republicans believe in small or no government. Period.
SoCon Republicans believe in Big Government Authoritarianism to include federal spending on adult abstinence education programs (telling adult women they will get AIDS through condoms if they sleep with men) and background checking all males before they talk with women and raising the age of consent to something that will assuredly jeopardize alpha males who attract those in the 18 year old range.
To graphically point out how socons gravely threaten males take this story from yesterday:
A woman who slept with me recently shockingly revealed she was 17 and I could only be thankful that the laws where I live say that 16 is the age of consent.
Socons are victims of their own “law and order” mentality that feminists cleverly use against them like a form of jujitsu.
The southern socons simply have to surrender or die (politically), because libertarian Republicans (including the majority who believe in premarital sex) are going to take over no matter what simply because of demographics (stupid old busybodies are dying).
Just give socons the abortion issue and offer an alternative to the WOT that works – such as doing what Reagan did = he conducted a major campaign to get Muslim men to speak out against western Marxism/feminism and ally with western conservatives.
Right now, US males are dying fighting Muslims partly because those Muslims believe American men are a bunch of pussies who let Madonna and Britney kiss each other because they are not men enough to control their own culture (Al Qaeda recruiting videos say this).
Because of what Brownback did with VAWA, the SoCons have lost their male mandate to rule the GOP. Brownback officially reversed the GOP position on feminism in 2005 to that of White Knighting (but told a lawyer in Iowa on July 4, 2007 that he would reconsider if there was any real men’s movement to answer to).
Unless enough men oppose him on it, Brownback would say that Roissy dating East European women is a form of “Human Trafficking”.
Meanwhile, more US men would agree with Roissy than oppose (secretly).
I am concerned that the socons are squeezing in their candidates to hoodwink the rest of us for the 2010 elections – basically giving us a choice between Scylla and Caribdis. I don’t trust the Tea Party movement not to be pro-feminist even though 8000 Tea Party types follow me on Twitter. There are too many women in it, which probably does not help in convincing Mexican, black and Asian and Jewish males to join it.
If Bob Barr’s mostly male supporters (including much of the Ron Paul crowd) could have stomached the GOP presidential candidate and his VP pick, Obama may not have won. But again, for Obama to have been defeated in 2008 would have meant that male Democrats would have had to be wooed with some anti-feminist rhetoric that was not provided by McCain/Palin.
I disagree strongly with Ron Paul on the Iraq War but that does not matter. He was almost the only won in Congress who voted against VAWA (a black woman Democrat also voted against it, bless her heart) .
Ron Paul is the only Congressperson who can be seen on YouTube talking about men’s rights.
Men need to stay focused specifically on the GOP looking out for their rights and, indeed, for alpha males to CONTROL the GOP (forget the “lets be first with a woman presidential candidate” crap).
Meanwhile, all American men need to be in favor of foreign countries openly welcoming them without strict immigration laws that would have us bodily thrown out after 3 months even if we are rich and well educated.
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Giuliani and McCain’s massive mistake in 2007 – that helped fatally split the GOP right through the 2008 election – was in trying to ridicule Ron Paul in general after Paul made the statement (that I disagreed with) in a debate that the Iraq War was wrong.
Any of the pro-WOT candidates could have stolen the show and co-opted the following (huge) Ron Paul movement by saying “I respectfully disagree on that particular point – we need to be on the offense and lure would-be terrorists to their deaths in Iraq instead of on New York subways – but I respect your attitude on domestic policy, agree with the need to not meddle with every aspect of foreign governments and would look to you for advice because of your long years fighting big government in Congress”.
From what I understand, Ron Paul would have preferred to have more troops guarding the Mexican border than Bush did.
Giuliani (who was already damaged goods with socons because of his abortion position) also needed to denounce things he did in NYC like impound the cars of men who slowed down to look at women (in certain neighborhoods supposedly known for hookers) – he could have said that a federal government needed to stay completely out of that kind of micro-management.
But he, McCain and Romney didn’t even pretend to respect a long-term Texas Republican congressman. Instead, they openly mocked the guy which struck a nerve in a huge percentage of young males who, at the time, didn’t even know Ron Paul but sensed correctly that Neocons were being arrogant toward an old-time Republican (Romney was the least disrespectful which helped Romney win the west).
Then what happened defies belief:
Whether one liked Ron Paul or not, he got 24% of the votes in western state GOP primaries including Minnesota, wiping McCain off the map in more than a few states. Even in the east Paul garnered a huge 8% of the vote that later refused to vote for McCain/Palin because of McCain’s mockery strategy.
McCain/Palin was later to lose North Carolina and Indiana to Obama because Paul’s successor, Bob Barr, took something like 5-8% of the vote in those states (which was huge and indicative of a GOP civil war).
Ron Paul’s supporters were something like 70% male. His campaign managers were gay, however, and failed to see why that was relevant (they actually put the brakes on his campaign more than helped it).
Imagine the Alternative History versions of “If McCain had chosen Ron Paul as his VP candidate.” Take a look at what a woman named Amy says on a forum about that:
http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-ramon-obama-has-the-most-corrupt-administration-in-the-history-of-the-u-s
She says “If McCain had chosen Ron Paul and Obama had chosen an airhead like Palin, I would have voted for McCain.”
The RP percentage of male support alone should have caused McCain, as the primary winner, to have at least *tried* to get the Ron Paul vote or try to go after the young male demographic that the RP movement seemed to be electrifying.
And Ron Paul had the votes of many women who liked men, including the entire stripper community. 😉
Instead, McCain’s handlers chose the disastrous strategy of going after Hillary supporters (PUMAs) in what historians should now be describing as one of the stupidest “conservative” campaign strategies since the GOP campaign against Grover Cleveland in the late 1800s.*
* where Republican men dressed up as women to protest Cleveland having knocked up a single woman despite his having taken full responsibility for child support. Grover Cleveland had openly declared before Congress “At least I’m virile” and the majority of voters loved him for saying that. Republican men in women’s dresses just kept chanting “Ma, Ma, Where’s My Pa” – failing to realize that they were making themselves look effeminate and non-virile. Even when women couldn’t vote, Republican politicians were afraid of displeasing the pedestalized fantasies that they felt women were.
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If you’re looking for a 3rd party that’s tough on immigration, you might want to check out this one.
http://american3p.org/
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Jerry–
Yes.
I think I’m gonna adopt “girlie men” as an insult for lefties.
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@Northern Observer
I’m with Rossy, I say bring it. I always thought that Sherman was not thorough enough. Maybe we can depopulate the Republican south and repopulate it with fresh stock from the northern cities and mexico. LOL
Last time I looked, Alabama had 5.5% unemployment statewide. What’s it like up there in Yankeeland? When will you Yankees realize the problem with the North and all its decay is Yankees and their love of big government. It must be simply wonderful to be paying 8% income tax and sales tax, $4 a gallon for gas, high as hell property taxes all while your state employees demand ever more from the public trough and simultaneously drive their industry away to places like… Alabama! Now ya’ll want to come down and impose all of your problems on the rest of the country in the hope that the jobs will still come back because everyone is equally hobbled. That’s a winnning strategy for sure! Please stay home.
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@Doug1
Yes.
I think I’m gonna adopt “girlie men” as an insult for lefties
It pretty much says it all. It reminds of Orwell’s taunt about socialists being “that dreary tribe of sandal wearers and high minded women.” Its like the satchel craze you see with lefty intellectuals under 30. “I’m secure enough in my masculinity to carry a purse and not feel queer. see, I’m provign it to you right now.”
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@Jerry,
interesting post. The men’s movement will simply become a consensus as the women’s movement has and politicians will increasingly be forced to answer to it. Women will also secretly approve and be happier for it. We are on the cusp of major political changes and I’m optimistic. I think most of the electorate now gets the fact that many of the laws you discuss cost the country too much money and provide too little benefit and they will whither on the vine. The economy will drive this social and political change. We will have aenemic growth for several more years, thanks to our debts and new economic policies. That is what will bring about the changes we want to see. Men will become more valuable as the money spent on make work women’s programs dries up. Remember, single mothers and the accompanying social infrastructure they require are the corner stones of big government socialism. People will be fucking with baby boomers in the old age homes out of spite for how they have forced so much debt on the succeeding generations.
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@Tyrone:
“Now ya’ll want to come down and impose all of your problems on the rest of the country in the hope that the jobs will still come back because everyone is equally hobbled. That’s a winnning strategy for sure! Please stay home.”
I have a better idea.
1) Move all welfare etc. from the fedgov to the
states.
2) Some states will opt for welfarism (CA, MA, indeed
most of the North-East), others like NV, TX, AL for
minimal welfare.
3) People will move according to their preferences,
and just about EVERYBODY will get roughly the level
of welfarism that they want.
4) Everybody will be happy.
Thor
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Thor: “I am not invited to anybody’s party, AFAIK. So, no difference.”
Um…assuming you are white, you had the benefit of living in a white society. You were not detached in outer space, or floating in the ether. You were instead born into an actual civilization that gave you enormous opportunities, none of which you seem to appreciate. Because you don’t appreciate them, you don’t seem to care that they are being destroyed. That makes you a parasite.
The fact that you are unable to see that other groups, having been allowed to enter your tribe’s space, are now securing power and benefits for themselves and not for you, does not mean that it isn’t happening. It is happening. Your failure to see this is at best willful blindness and ignorance.
It is fascinating to see the response of a certain segment of deracinated white males who, when confronted with undeniable evidence that competing tribes don’t have their best interests at heart, can only respond by further undermining their own tribe – the only entity that could provide them with any defense.
Thor: ” Nobody, of any ethnicity, has “invited” me to anything
interesting. Again, no difference.”
Look, I’m trying to be polite here, but this is just staggering ignorance. You really don’t get it at all, no understanding whatsoever of context and reality.
Thor: “Yes indeed. I would like to know. It does not seem to
further their own interests, as far as I can tell. I don’t
even know that it is true.”
I’ve explained this to you before, but obviously it goes in one ear and out the other. You would “like to know.” LOL! I’m sure it is all quite befuddling to you, for the simple reason that you prefer to espouse a ridiculous ideology rather than concern yourself with reality. The way non-whites vote is not surprising at all to people that don’t have ideological blinders on. When your ideology causes you to not see that which is blatantly there, you might want to reconsider your belief system.
Thor: “I have a better idea. 1) Move all welfare etc. from the fedgov to the states. 2) Some states will opt for welfarism (CA, MA, indeed most of the North-East), others like NV, TX, AL for minimal welfare. 3) People will move according to their preferences, and just about EVERYBODY will get roughly the level of welfarism that they want. 4) Everybody will be happy.”
Sure, that is a better idea. But the problem with such a “better idea” is that people like you were cool with America filling up with competing tribes that utterly reject your “better idea.” As a result, you can forget your proposal, for the simple reason that you completely ignore the context required for it to be put into practice. Unless, that is, you happen to have a magic wand handy.
Non-whites overwhelmingly support centralization, not decentralization. They want a powerful government to keep whitey under control, and to tax him and redistribute the wealth. But again, you prefer to spout ideology, while taking not the slightest concern for the context necessary for such an ideology to flourish. Reality seems to be of no concern.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the only thing nuttier than a Marxist is a race blind libertarian/conservative. Any ideology that doesn’t have sense enough to keep out competing tribes that are hostile to it is not to be taken seriously, and obviously can’t succeed in the long run. Marxists aren’t nearly that nutty, only aracial conservatives are.
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Jerry: “There are good books out there about how libertarian Republicans, especially in the west, are starting to outnumber social conservative Republicans and are in a fierce battle with socons for control of the GOP.”
Even if the libertarians win control of the GOP in those states, it won’t matter, because of the very demographic changes that doctrinaire libertarians support. The doctrinaire nuts are all for open borders. Result? California and other western states have been filling up with huge numbers of non-white voters, voters who support lots and lots of fully funded government programs and centralized control.
They support these programs because they understand, quite correctly, that whites will pay a disproportionate amount of the taxes, and non-whites will draw a disproportionate share of the benefits. Back in the 80’s, California was a hotbed of libertarian activity. Now? It’s solid blue. Other western states are fast reaching the tipping point as well, and will then move into the solid blue category. The major “conservative” states that Republicans absolutely must win, like Texas, are a demographic time bomb. California is already lost (used to be Republican leaning before the demographic shift – no more. Republicans can only win under unusual circumstances now).
“It is this civil war for control of the GOP that got Obama elected.”
It was quite a bit more than that which got Obama elected. A terrible Republican administration, unnecessary wars, and a financial collapse didn’t exactly help Republican prospects. But the unwritten story is this: demographics. I’ve seen stats that show that, if the country still had the same racial demographics that it did in 1992, but otherwise each group voted the way it did in 2008, McCain would have won easily. Look it up. So I hope the aracial libcons enjoy the magnificent Obama administration, because without non-white immigration, it would have never happened. Cheers! (now watch the aracial twiddlers fall all over themselves to ignore reality.)
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@Ryder
You are making a great case for the GOP to finally start engaging non-white males about their animosity towards white males as opposed to the real enemy of non-white males: white feminists.
Mexican males are castrating themselves badly by voting Democrat in the USA. Ditto for Jewish males. But is anyone even trying to tell them that this is, in effect, what they are doing? Did neocon George Bush try once to evenly politely chide his Mexican brethren into being non-feminist? You know the answer to that.
You are from Australia or the UK right? Even if you’re from the USA, note that the small l libertarian Republicans in the American west have been leading the charge to stop the Mexican invasion.
Tom Tancredo and Ron Paul wanted the US Army lining the Mexican border. They were the most libertarian and anti-feminist politicians that were in power in 2005 when there was still hope.
There used to be a huge difference between the large L Libertarian Party types and small l libertarian Republicans in the USA.
You may be thinking about the strange leftist-funded Libertarian Party (LP) of the 90s and early 2000s.
Even as late as 2006, LP candidates would run as “Rainbow Coalitions” with a pro-gay streak.
But that reversed itself in 2007 with Ron Paul declaring war on Neocons and telling Socons to remember the Constitution in their authoritarian dreams. Libertarian Republicans – mostly fierce “Put the Army on the Mexican border” types – took over the LP and it, of course, did serious damage to the neocon and pro-feminist McCain/Palin ticket.
That notorious video of Sarah Palin embracing feminism in the GOP at a rally in California is now up at http://www.twitter.com/mensnews
My thesis is that the White Socons and even the White Nationalists in the USA put women on a pedestal so much that they have allowed themselves to be taken over by women and have thus lost their mandate to rule the GOP.
Isn’t Stormfront still pro-feminist?
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Ron Paul voted to support the 700 mile fence along the Mexican border and he stated in the debates he is also opposed to amnesty. So he actually cares about the border, unlike Bush and most other RINO’s.
However, he thinks since the economy is so bad illegals have become a scapegoat to distract away people away from government policies of high taxes, high regulation society we have now. Paul would get rid of mandated free education, free medical care, and entitlements for illegal aliens, which would result in less of them coming here.
He was in the libertarian party for one year, just to run on their ticket, but he’s very similar to a Goldwater Republican and he’s been elected as a Republican 10 times. In an interview I remember him saying he describes himself as a constitutionalist, conservative, libertarian, etc. It depends how one defines their terms. Labels can be very misleading.
As far as ending the Fed, do people realize how inflation works? When the Fed prints money it doesn’t reach everyone in society simultaneously and uniformly. The big banks, the big corporations, the government use the freshly printed money first because they are the ones that bring money into the society. So they are spending that money at the preexisting price level. Meanwhile, by the time the money filters down through the economy to the little guy, he is already paying higher prices but has not yet received the increase in his wage. So inflation is essentially a transfer of wealth from the middle class and poor to the wealthy. In my view it is stealing no doubt.
People are routinely told deflation is bad, but do they know deflation happened throughout the entire 1800s? The value of the dollar rose during that time and that was the most prosperous period in America. Since the Fed’s creation in 1913 the dollar has lost 96% of its value. I could go on forever, but let me just say that I have read an insane amount of economics and Paul’s theories are not nearly as crazy as they seem on the surface. The problem is the intelligentsia and mainstream media are dominated by keynesians and liberals.
And remember, while nearly every economist was blindsided by the greatest recession since the great depression (which is like a meteorologist missing the Category 5 hurricane 10 miles from New York) Paul saw it coming. It should give some pause to everyone about how screwed up the economics profession has become. Here’s a starting point:
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@leiferiksson
Great clip, thanks
@Ryder
No. I never advocated open immigration AS LONG AS
we have a welfare state. Due to the (sadly) great
mass of destitute people in the world, we CANNOT
have both open (or easy) immigration and welfare
of any sort. (Milton Friedman and others have stated
this clearly – it should be obvious but somehow it
is not, to many people.)
And, no, Ryder never explains the disconnect between
East Asians living like Republicans, self-supporting etc
and voting (at least according to him) for democrats,
he is just stating that they do and talks about redistribution.
But East Asians don´t live like that.
And it is not meaningful to talk about “tribes” in this
context. East Asians and Whites might not “like” each
other, but it is irrelevant. Policies that benefit one of
these groups will benefit the other. More to the point,
policies that work to pauperize one of these groups
will pauperize the other.
And as to “Asians helping Asians”, this is nonsense in
the general case. Asians do not go out and randomly
“help Asians”. They do, however, often help members
in their extended family, maybe more so than whites.
The only sensible lesson to be extracted from that
(for whites) is to think about it and maybe imitate it.
Thor
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Thursday said:
Yeah, I bet they had 20% unemployment throughout the 1800s. Gag.
Why don’t you regale me about Smoot-Hawley while you are at it?
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tyrone babbled:
First, you gots an American saying this, so I believes it.
He would never lie about something that personally benefited him.
Second, since he doesn’t have to pay the Mexicans Social Security taxes or Income Taxes, I do imagine it it hard for people who actually pay these taxes to compete.
Did I just say the obvious? I’m SO SORRY to offend.
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“And because of it the business cycle was insane, the economy spending as much time in recession as in growth. Worse than the current downturn. Keynes, whatever else you might say about his work, was right that a demand for money can reduce the demand for everything else, gumming up the works badly.”
Actually, because the business cycle was tracked via commodity output in the 1800s which is much more volatile than actual output people the swings were not as great as one would be led to believe. Not to mention statistics were to the point of being unprecise Even Barack Obama’s
“Yeah, I bet they had 20% unemployment throughout the 1800s. Gag.
Why don’t you regale me about Smoot-Hawley while you are at it?”
This is great. So even with the entitlement state and free handouts for everybody today in this nation which all discourage work, and the fact that wages are considerably higher, you still believe unemployment in the 1800s was 20%?? People HAD
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Oops, accidental submission. The point is Christina Romer, Obama’s chair of the council of economic advisers, wrote a great paper comparing the 1800s and 1900s. Economic growth was higher during the 1800s. Prices were stable, even deflation, because prices fall when productivity rises. One of the Fed’s stated goals is price stability and they’ve destroyed 96% of the dollar’s value. And even though the 19th century had the Second Bank of the US, fractional banking, Lincoln printing a lot of money to fight a war, regulation of banks that even suspended specie payments, so it was not as free as one would believe, the report concluded the 19th century still had the same volatility of the business cycle as the 20th….and that doesn’t even include the post 2000 era and what’s going on now. So in fact it was more stable back then.
And no, of course I wouldn’t support Smoot Hawley. Hoover was terrible, precisely because he ran large budget deficits even though somehow we are told he balanced the budget.
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Ah… so that’s why you didn’t get my obvious sarcasm.
Exports were less than 6% of the United States GDP in 1929.
“Smoot-Hawley” was a small tail on a large dog.
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As shown here:
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year&FirstYear=1929&LastYear=1935&3Place=N&Update=Update&JavaBox=no#Mid
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