Commenter Jcut wrote:
I almost vomited watching this video today:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/eve_ensler_embrace_your_inner_girl.html
Let us all be aware our sinister enemies who lurk about, skulking in the distance.
Are feminist calls to embrace our inner girl just a giant, society-wide shit test to brand the betas with a big red B so they can be more easily identified, and thus sexually ostracized? Because any man who takes up the call to “embrace his inner girl” will disqualify himself as a sexual interest to not only normal, healthy women, but to feminists as well.
Speaking of ultimate shit tests, here’s one I had the pleasure of receiving recently:
“Could you do me a favor and hold my drink for me while I call my friend?”
The worst shit tests are never the obvious ones; they are sneaky like thieves in the night, pickpocketing your balls without you even realizing it. Beware the “could you do me a favor” expression. It is designed to entrap even the most vigilant men. It will require an absolutely rock solid belief in your value as a high quality man to resist the temptation to answer the siren call of “do me a favor”. After all, a man would have to be a low down dirty scoundrel to not do a favor for a girl, right?
Now that she’s breached your defenses by asking for a favor, she can land the killing blow to your balls with the beta bait request. I don’t care how sweetly she asks or how harmless you think your accommodation, DO NOT EVER hold a girl’s drink for her on the first night you meet her. The act of holding her drink so she can make a call/go to the bathroom/rifle through her purse for lipstick, no matter the innocent intentions behind the asking of it, will register in her hindbrain as the humiliating posture of a beta chump. She may consciously respect your chivalry, but underneath, her id is playing word association by scratching your name next to a picture of a tiny, limp dick on the walls of her nerve center.
Remember, the worst/best shit tests are those that FOOL THE GIRL herself. If she doesn’t even know what she’s doing, how will *you* know when she’s weighing your stones? The “hold my drink” shit test frequently falls into this category of “subliminal but deadly”. She may honestly need you to hold her drink. But you still shouldn’t do it.
So how to respond to the SBD shit test? I’ve found that edgy humor works well.
“Whoa, it’s usually a good idea to wait until the second date before asking a guy to be your personal assistant.”
A cool girl will laugh at this and find a place to put down her drink, or forget about calling her friend to focus on talking with you. An uncool girl will make a face, or double down on asking you to hold her drink. Don’t break. Hold your ground. Capitulating to a shit test is bad enough; capitulating to a shit test you had called out is worse.
Luckily, most girls know better than to ask a man who isn’t a boyfriend to hold a drink. And of those girls who don’t know better, and who give you grief for not cooperating, well… why would you want to be with a conceited bitch like that?
What about chugging the drink then belching in her face?
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This is why its crucial to develop a mindset that doesn’t take women seriously. If you used to exhibiting playful dominance/amused mastery then the riposte mentioned (or something like that) will roll off your tongue effortlessly. If she presses, you’ll instinctively know what you need to do—continue to toy with her and lightly tease her. Serve the bitch—with a smile.
It takes real Inner Game to pull off something like this, especially if it appears that she really needs you to acquiese.
Good post.
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Make her do a twirl first, then inform her it wasn’t sexy enough. She can then put the drink on the table/bar/floor.
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What about when a chick ask you to take a picture of her and her friends? Would the same response be the way to go?
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I wouldn’t belch in her face but chugging her drink is pretty funny. Or sipping on it and kiddingly refusing to give it back.
[editor: this is also a good response.]
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I’ve never thought about it like this, but everytime I’ve ever been out with a female friend and she’s asked me to hold her drink, i’ve crushed it. Never asked of me while trying to pull, though.
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Hold drink. Down said beverage in one gulp. Hand her the glass. Smile.
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I’d hold the drink.
But when she got back it would be empty.
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How about Jason Rzepka for Beta of the Month?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/02/eve-ensler-teaches-men-to_n_478201.html
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Or…
You: well, you know the price, seeing as how we just met, right?
her: what?
you: I’m very likely to drink it. With the next round on you.
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This new post of yours just appeared while I was putting the finishing touches on my new post, “Meet Your Douchebag Dreamboat!” This is right up your alley; it’s my most original idea so far, I think, at least of those which relate to The True Nature Of Women.
Like commenter “crazyshoe,” I am dedicated to the idea of giving the masses what they REALLY want — and giving it to them good and hard — wasn’t it Mencken who said that?
So everyone, please join me in developing fun and profitable projects which are designed to show the human race in all its hideous glory.
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Dragnet: Obviously he’s a fag.
What about when you’re seeing a girl and she asks you to hold her purse or something? Making a fuss and refusing would seem genuinely hostile and almost as or more beta as just holding it for two secs.
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the realist–
Yeah.
Then when she says, you’re buyin me the next one (which she’s likely to do if not yet completely won over) say:
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(What happened? Weird.)
Say:
“Nope. Next round’s on you. That’s my drink holding price. Now you know.” Smirk.
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dragnet
Good comment. (Just noticed it.)
That’s exactly it. Trying to learn all these things cookbook is never gonna really make it and is hard too. But when you get it, it’s not hard.
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Like other commenters, I would hold the drink but end up drinking it myself. If she left for any reason, she would come back to find me sipping on her drink and talking to another girl.
Your idea is much better though.
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What if a girl trips and falls over a rock or a.crack in the sidewalk, which she didn’t see, she looks up at you with sad eyes and bloody scraped knees hoping you would help her up. Would she be considered a bitch because she asked for a little bit of assistance?
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Then when she says, you’re buyin me the next one (which she’s likely to do if not yet completely won over) say:
No, I’m not. But next time get a gin & tonic; I’m not into these fruity girly drinks.
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This would be the perfect time for me to test out the roofies I picked up in Tampa during my last business trip.
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I’m not ashamed to admit I fell for this once. We were taking a walk after spending some time at a coffee shop and she innocently asked me to hold her drink for a sec while she did something with her phone. Fortunately I can learn from my mistakes and at least I hadn’t bought the drink.
Always be on your guard whether or not you are at a bar, club, or on the street. That’s what makes this shit test so tough. Once anyone makes this mistake once I guarantee it will never happen again.
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interesting.
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It’s already been said – but simply start drinking it.
I hit on this purely by accident – instinctively sipping whatever was in my hand.
Girl goes apeshit (but you can see the lustful fire in her eyes)
I hand her back her drink – then a nice witty comment to finish it off.
Refusing to hold it puts you in the ‘bad’ asshole category (at least in the UK – chivalry isn’t totally dead as the womyn aren’t totally ‘liberated’)
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“The worst shit tests are never the obvious ones; they are sneaky like thieves in the night, pickpocketing your balls without you even realizing it.”
Her: “Yoink!”
Him: “Yoink?!?!!”
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I drink it. And act like nothing’s wrong. Especially if I’m holding my own drink in my other hand.
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Kind of like Tom’s suggestion…I either drink or it just set it down and wonder off… and then make sure to smile and act extra nice when she comes back.
One thing is for sure…the combination of 1) not following her orders AND 2) stilll being happy/fun…and not an angry beta. Will throw her for a loop…in a good way.
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Or you could bust into a psychotic Daniel Plainview impression and yell, “I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!”
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Man, this made me flash on a lovely bitchslap I did years ago to a conivving piece of teenaged tail.
A bud and I, both college-age betas-to-the-max, were getting into my car after seeing a movie. This definitely 9+ babe comes up to me and bats her eyes and says in her sexiest voice, “Hi! Where you guys going?”
I look disdainfully at her and reply, “Nowhere with you,” climb in the car and drive off.
My bud looks at me like I’ve gone batshit crazy and says, “What the hell did you do that for? She was hot!”
What he didn’t know is that as we came out of the theater I overheard same young twat whispering to her friend. I have exceptional hearing and could hear her say, “Don’t worry, I’ll get us a ride to the party.”
So Cuntrina spotted two easy marks and made her move, fully expecting to con a ride with two nice beta dorks, no doubt dumping us once we delivered them to the party and then laughing with her friends about what chumps we were.
Instead I have an indelible memory of the bitch sputtering spittle, wide-eyed, disbelieving, totally flummoxed that her bitch plan didn’t work. Priceless!
Love the blog!
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She asks, “Could you do me a favor and hold my drink for me while I call my friend?”
lzozllzlzl!
You say, “Could you do me a favor and hold my cock for me while I call your friend?” lolzzzlzlozlzl
If she walks out at that or scowls, go lzolzzozlzozlzlzoz zlzozlzlzlzl! I just saved $10,000 and have been set free to go find younger hotter tighter pussy!! lzozlzlzozlzl
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Or you could hold her drink and mischeiviously sip it (looooong sips) in front of her while she’s on the phone. If she doesn’t pay this any attention then finish it off and hand it back to her empty.
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Anonymous
The sad eyes are a winning girly move, unlike a bitchy “well are you just gonna stand there, or will you help me up?”
So of course you’ll respond to her girly sad eyes and help and comfort her. Then you’d hug and comfort her (which just might cause her to little girl cry which would be good), and then offer to help her clean off the scape. You’d daddy her in fact (if you’re interested in her – you’d help her up and probably hug her regardless).
If you had inner game instead of skeptically reviewing game maxims from a cookbook perspective, you’d just feel the difference.
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If you finish off her drink, you should offer to buy her another after a little teasing…unless she goes full out bitch mode on you. Then just thank her for the drink and leave.
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You say, “Could you do me a favor and hold my cock for me while I call your friend?” lolzzzlzlozlzl
ahahahhahahah a hahahahah ahahah ahahaha a
*thud*
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The classic David DeAngelo response anytime a girl asks you for a favor:
I could… but I won’t.
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“What about when you’re seeing a girl and she asks you to hold her purse or something? Making a fuss and refusing would seem genuinely hostile and almost as or more beta as just holding it for two secs.”
Rifle trough it, and when you find condoms, comment on their size being ‘XL’ and how fortunate for her to meet you.
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dana writes, “You say, “Could you do me a favor and hold my cock for me while I call your friend?” lolzzzlzlozlzl
ahahahhahahah a hahahahah ahahah ahahaha a
*thud*”
hey dana what’s that “thud” sound?
one of your cats jumping from your balcony because it can’t take living with a dried up spinster anymore? lzozozlzzozlzllzlzlzlz
omg i was listening to teh raido and someone was talking about how in NYC and SF instead of baby clothes stores they now have pet stores. lzozllzlz
buying little sweaters for your doggies that have come to replace the kids that no longer come forth from the std-addled american spinster’s barren womb which the central bankers have transofrmed into a tomb and chamber of mass murder. lzozllzlzolzzllzl! abortion takes place in the womb!!! over fifty million women have volunteered their wombs for the mass murder program of the central bankers. lzozlzlzlzlzozzlzlzlzlzl
and now thier cats hate them soooo much that even their cats are jumping lozlzlzozlzlozlzlz
where’s charlotee allen when we need to her to correct my grammer lzozlzlzllzlzlz
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*thud*=falling on floor from laughing because youre funny
and thats dried up old housewife to you, not dried up old spinster
get your worthless old hags straight
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You’re making an inappropriately high effort by rewarding her disrespect with a witty response. Just laugh about it like you can’t believe what she said, get serious again and say “Never.”.
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^^^
I LOL’ed IRL.
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Best shit test come-back was one from a girl I’d been gaming at a dance party and who spent half the night drinking and dancing with me.
The next morning, she IM’d me saying her feet hurt…
Her: “My feet hurt, you should show respect.
Me: Yah, that’s from dancing with all those guys who can’t lead or dance properly
Her: OMG!
Me: Hey, I’m hungry
Her: You should show respect.
Me: You should save your energy for me. Take me for a foot massage.
kind of petered out from there. She was not too happy after that…but I still had my dignity.
She gradually pulled back…I pulled wayyyyyyy back. She began making moves to get my attention again. Go figure.
These shit tests are really meant to put guys in a subservient position.
Beta wants to be a “nice guy”. Alpha constantly teases to gain upper hand.
It’s like appeasement, you give in a little, then a little more…then pretty soon you’re not only holding her drink you’re picking up her dry cleaning, you’re doing her dishes, you’re positioning yourself as her personal assistant rather than a man.
I raised the “Herb” concept of the puffy-cheeked drone beta, with a Japanese girl I know. She laughed and said “We have that same idea here, we call that kind of guy ‘parsley’. [Herb indeed] He’s like a garnish, serves no real purpose and you don’t really need him around. You can throw him off your plate anytime and won’t miss him. [Her words not mine!] Other words Japanese girls use for these type of guys; “Chauffeur” and “Errand boy”.
Shit tests are universal. Nice post.
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lozlzllz!
dana my apologies….
a lot of older womenz are nicer like ma and grandma
before the central banker media and feminist studies professors programmed women to tempt and take lzolzlzozll to abuse men and use their snaqtch to serve ben bernanke’s central bnanking cartel rather than a husband and fmaily lzozlzllzlzlzlz but the only problem is that while faith & family are forever, a snatch grows old by 29 and all dusty by 30 spo that when i go down on a coprorate lawyer i need a leaf blower to get all teh dust off it and then a jar of vaseline or motor oil to prime it lzozlzlzolzlozozlzllzlzlzlzozolzl
so sorry dana. :P)
nice to meet ya!!
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the best response to any such request is to simply say:
“nah, you’re good.”
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If she still wants to hand the drink over to you while already on the phone, let it fall to the floor.
Drinking it yourself is no alternative; you wouldn’t want to rely on her poor drink choices. Especially when you already got your favourite drink that she paid for.
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Noticed a cute girl chatting vigorously on the phone recently. She, like most girls, was so enthralled in her own conversation and oblivious to her surroundings that she failed to notice a blind man tapping his cane in front of her. She tripped, went airborne, and fell hard on her knee right next to me. It was a cringe inducing fall. She looked up at me and I said without any hesitation as I held back laughter from the irony of the moment, “girl, did you not see the blind man in front of you?” True story.
No more than a few weeks later, as I was crossing the street a mother was on the phone while pushing her stroller across the street. She was about to cross the street without looking and I noticed a cab coming full speed so I grabbed the stroller by the handles to stop her from crossing. The cab barely missed the front of her stroller. She looked at me with the realization that her baby could have been NYC hamburger all because she wasn’t paying attention.
Multi-tasking my ass. Bitches can’t even talk and see where they are going at the same time.
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Actually, it’s fairly obviously a “shit-test”… cause it’s *bleep* stupid behavior on her part.
The proper semi-neg is:
“You are such a sweet little girl! [Pat her head] You should never let a man you’ve just met hold your drink. [Girl’s Friends Name] Would you please hold this drink for her?”
The words may need to be changed around a little.
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I get this all the time when I first meet a girl in a bar. It happens waaaaay too often, and there’s always some other wingman reaching to grab it for her, or chastising me for not holding it.
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There’s a great variety of things you could say or do that would all work if you brought the right attitude to it.
Which is that’s she’s lucky you’ve been paying her attention, not the other way around. That you’re not her personal assistant, nor some automatic gallant white knight for girls you just started to talk to, nor are you her wanna be bf. She’s nowhere near that in w/you just yet, but maybe has made a decent start — if she doesn’t blow it w/bitchiness, etc.
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“You’re a big girl I’m sure you can do two things at once.”
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@ Doug1
Your responses say to much. Just drink it and smile would make the point. Explaining is not necessary
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Her: “Hey can you watch my drink for a minute while I go to the bathroom?”
Me: (after slow sidelong glance) “Why don’t you just slam it now before you go pee?”
Laid that night. God I miss the 90’s.
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Roosh, nice one.
Walawala – ‘herb’ comes from Japan (they call them herbivores, it caught on with the Gaming community after the ‘liberal’ media did some shaming-stories on the ‘creepy, dropout males’
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@ ASDF
I really hope he is. I mean, if he’s gay then it’s completely understandable, even if still nauseating.
But chances are this dude is straight and is just pure mangina. On this basis I renew my B.O.T.M. nomination for him.
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I like the “Twirl and do a shimmy for me, and I’ll think about it” reply.
You command her to show off her body to you, “auditioning” for your approval, and maybe — maybe –you’ll hold her damn drink.
Of course you then raise the stakes with a neg:
“Nah, not sexy enough.”
That oughta get the gina a’tingling.
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@Doug1
If she doesn’t like it then i simply gallop off into the sunset that little bit more tipsy looking for the next free drink to swig.
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Simple counter to shit tests from women – 3 simple words.
The 3 magic words: DO NO FAVORS.
No holding drinks, no holding handbags, no lending a hand, no carrying heavy stuff for her, no fixing her things. Don’t even give advice or lend a listening ear – you tune out or walk away if she tries to make you an emotional tampon.
DO NO FAVORS.
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“What if a girl trips and falls over a rock or a.crack in the sidewalk, which she didn’t see, she looks up at you with sad eyes and bloody scraped knees hoping you would help her up. Would she be considered a bitch because she asked for a little bit of assistance”
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Whether she is a bitch is a non-issue. What matters is you, the man, must be as aloof, unhelpful and insensitive as possible. This should come naturally, effortlessly. Those men who have difficulty must unlearn their years of indoctrination in chivalry and respecting/protecting women. It’s hard, but it can be done.
After all, the only reason why you want to hang out with a woman is to get her gina tingling and her legs spreading for you. Being a thoughtful nice guy will not aid you in achieving those objectives. Be a jerk to women and be absolutely unapologetic about it.
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Something to give those who fail every test and don’t get the point when you say they have: the voluntary castration form
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I dated/banged a girl for a few months and she’d always pay for my drinks whenever we went out. There were times when she’d get up to use the bathroom and asked me to watch her purse. Instinctively, I wanted nothing to do with it but she was always buying me free shit and cab rides so I just went along with it usually.
Am I doing anything out of wack here?
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I find that asking her for favors right out of the gate prevents her from asking me for favors. Offense is the best defense, boys.
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mgtow, aren’t you a bit excessive?
I think that a little bit of chivalry, when used with moderation and at the right moments, doesn’t destroy her perceived value of you as a man.
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No, herb is late 80s hip-hop slang gone mainstream. The Japanese herbivore thing is a recent coincidence. Herb predates that by over a decade.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=herb
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*****re: Hughman
Walawala – ‘herb’ comes from Japan (they call them herbivores, it caught on with the Gaming community after the ‘liberal’ media did some shaming-stories on the ‘creepy, dropout males’*****
Incorrect. The term has been flung around the “urban” set since at least the early 90s.
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hmm, you’re putting to much thought into this, dark lord. I don’t even know that many “empowered” women that would spend 20 minutes watching that load of boring crap. And neither would I 🙂 That’s kind of the problem with “manosphere”, you are actually one of the best in avoiding it, with real life field stuff.
But interesting point on acknowledging shit tests – if you have to comply due to social conventions, is it better to mock / call her out on it first or not. My go to tactic is selective hearing and at least get them to repeat and qualify. But I think it’s kind of points-neutral, not losing much, but not gaining any either.
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Hmm, I’m not convinced totally – the old hip-hop meaning has it as a ‘try-hard’.
Herb as we use is not a try hard in anyway (other that trying very hard but in totally the wrong way for female attention)
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Can I hold her drink if I follow the holding with drinking it all?
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For any white-knighters still reading this, I got a story for you to explain.
One December, I’m driving behind this hot chick in her brand new camaro. After being stopped at a light at a three way intersection, she gasses it hard to turn left, the tires spin out on some ice, and she plows forward at about fifty mph right into a streetlamp.
Her car actually catches fire, but b/c the crash had pushed back her fender and she had broken her arm, she couldn’t get out.
I see all this, park, hop out, run over and get her out of the car. Calm her down and wait with her until cops and fire get there, then I talk to the officer and help fill out the police report as a witness (I’m a total stranger, mind you).
She gets taken to the hospital. Meanwhile, even though we live in the same small town AND all my info’s on the police report (that she gets a copy of), I never hear a fucking word from her.
Sure, she might feel embarassed. But genuine gratitude enough to say “thanks” would overcome that. Sincerity, however, would not supercede cuntishness.
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There is a HUGE difference between a chick asking you to watch her purse while she hits the ladies room and her asking you to HOLD her purse when she could just as easily have set it down on the floor.
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@ Steve
Yes, he is…but this is exactly the advice I would give a beta just starting his journey to alphahood. Due to the way I was raised, I was never as beta as most guys and I had success with women in college—but I still had a lot to learn when I discovered the Gameosphere. What helped my Inner Game enormously in the beginning was the concious resolution to be rough & disrespectful of women in the extreme. When I was on the train, I swooped in from out of nowhere to take empty seats from women. Didn’t matter if she was young & hot or old & infirm. When a woman dropped her purse on the ground I would step right over it and keep moving. I refused to hold open doors for women, and made a habit out of stepping in front of them to board the elevator. I farted on a bitch in line at Starbucks and didn’t give a fuck. And so on.
At first, the social disapproval was nearly crippling. But I didn’t quit…and I slowly but surely got used to it until I became really comfortable being an asshole, a complete and total reprobate. The biggest issues weren’t with the women—but with the pathetic manginas who were all too willing to white knight it for the very same women who took them for free drinks every Saturday night only to send them home with blue balls.
Doing this did wonders to change my frame of mind to eventually be able to handle any shit test from any woman. Now that my Inner Game is fairly solid, I’m not nearly as hardcore because I don’t need to be. But the guys just learning Game should definitely attempt this trial-by-fire, if you can handle it. You don’t need to do it for that long to see results. By the end of the first two weeks I had made definite progress to just-don’t-give-a-fuck mode. And not giving a fuck is a key step to getting to playful dominance/amused mastery.
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Who the fuck wants to be a vagina ?
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@ Joshua
No, you’re not doing anything wrong. I had a setup like this a few times.
You’re getting what you want from her—sex, free cab rides, free drinks and shit—and this is happening because she views you as high value. You holding her purse is a demonstration of lower value…but it’s not enough to cancel out the positive emotions she feels from your alphaness.
Game isn’t just being higher value or alpha as possible. It’s about the finding the right combination of alpha and beta. Or in this case, being higher value with becoming overvalued. Holding the purse is a low cost way of preventing this from happening.
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Should read:
“Or in this case, being higher value without becoming overvalued.”
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You’re wrong. “Herb” has always been just another way to say beta in hiphop circles and it went mainstream.
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“Ok, but I’m going to drink it.”
No transparent effort to put her down, no angry beta lashing-out, and, if you’re delivery is good, playful/fun. And at the same time, makes it clear that you are her equal and not her shoeshine boy.
She may agree to the “deal,” thinking that there’s no way you’ll actually drink it. When you do, her mild anger/surprise will let you keep the conversation going.
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Jewish Women and the Feminist Revolution
“Jewish women have played key roles in building and advancing the modern American women’s movement.”
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How do you know if a skank is giving you a shit test? very simple: when the cunt opens her mouth and starts talking to you. All this comes as no surprise to me, even in the video.
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“Could you do me a favor and hold my drink for me while I call my friend?”
“Whoa, it’s usually a good idea to wait until the second date before asking a guy to be your personal assistant.”
That’s a good answer, but a bit wordy/defensive?
And actually drinking it is too much of a dick move? (Or am I too beta?)
What about something more off-the-cuff funny, like:
“Sure, but can you pick up my drycleaning on the way back?”
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“You’re a big girl I’m sure you can do two things at once.”
Roosh I like that one a lot!
We need to make a comprehensive, approved list b/c this seems to be a big issue out in the nightlife world.
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Mine would be better like this:
“Sure, but only if you pick up my drycleaning on the way back.”
Alphas make statements, don’t ask questions.
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While watching the congressional hearing with certain goldman-sachs execs, a member of the committee doing the questioning got disgusted and fed up with being given the run-around and said “Well since we’re getting nowhere with this guy, who’s next…”
Kind of reminded me of Penelope…I mean great books for men….lolz.
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Even better:
“Sure, but you gotta pick up my drycleaning first.”
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How come no one is talkin about Tito Ortiz? Poor sap should have known you can’t turn a ho into a housewife. Maybe he got hit in the head once too many times.
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Ignore Ensler, she has less influence on current events than Jefferson Davis.
Hopefully, this article might spur a few “Beta of the Year” candidates.
Will that splendid competition ever be revived? It’s probably the greatest public service on this website.
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“her id is playing word association by scratching your name next to a picture of a tiny, limp dick on the walls of her nerve cente”.
That is just brilliant, and one of the reasons I always come back to this blog. Epic lulz.
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Most chicks would never let a guy their first met hold their drink – too easy for him to slip in a roofie. By asking you to hold her drink, she’s demonstrating high levels of interest. She doesn’t view you as creepy. Probability of a first-night bang are high.
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How about “Fine; you prefer Roofies or Special K?”
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Win.
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I’m a female (in the 9 range looks-wise) and I’ve never even heard of a shit test until I read this. I don’t do shit tests. I’m not out to see if I can downgrade a guy by asking him to hold a drink. I’m not sure I’ve ever asked a guy to hold anything — I am not manipulative. And even so, maybe it was my purse while I was putting on my jacket or what not. They always oblige. That does not make me think less of them — on the contrary actually. If a guy wasn’t willing to do a small thing to help me (I would do the same for him) then I would think he is a self-centered prick and I would dump him if I saw several such red flags.
Guys always pay for me. It’s a courtesy which I appreciate. I don’t want a “beta”; I am not searching for one. Nor do I want a rich, overly arrogant, “alpha” who thinks he can buy me with material objects.
My boyfriend treats me perfectly, he opens doors for me, the car door, pulls out my chair when we eat at a restaurant, and pays for everything without making a big deal of it. I have offered to pay before and he doesn’t really like the idea; once I asked if I could pay and he said, No. A few other times I did and he let me, after asking, are you sure? He thanked me sincerely as I always do to him. The best things we do together are the things that don’t cost anything or very little, like cooking or taking a walk. Not all women are manipulative gold-diggers you know.
I love him because he is a gentleman, a strong masculine man, is passionate about what he does and has a sense of discipline in his life that no one else I’ve met has. He pleases me in bed like no one ever had. He is dominant and sometimes a bit bullheaded, but that goes with the territory I suppose.
These rigid classifications of alpha and beta are kind of silly and I think you guys should chill out and just try to be yourselves and court women the old-fashioned way while at the same time showing her who’s in charge. Not that difficult I would think; so why make it so complicated?
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Kerstin,
The sad truth is that the old-fashioned way of courtship usually ends with the gentle, courtly man being dumped in a classy restaurant, between the steak chateaubriand and the Grand Marnier Parfait (but as a gentleman, he’ll pay for the meal).
Many young men begin their pursuit of women with flowers, poetry and song (God help me, I used to, till I saw the dark light). Their teenage years are spent being mocked and spurned while the objects of their affections cavort with their less gentlemanly peers. I wouldn’t wish it on any man.
The terms “alpha” (which seems to apply to your suitor, being “dominant” and all), “beta” and “omega” come from zoology (as well as Ancient Greek), to describe the pecking order of group animals. They apply pretty well to human beings too.
By the way, telling people to “be themselves” might not be a good idea (cf. David Alexander). Game, for all the unpleasant truths, gives these men a shot at self-improvement
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This part sounds right:
“showing her who’s in charge”
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The best so far… funny, short, and not try-hard.
Frankly I wouldn’t drink it without letting her know first.
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“What if a girl trips and falls over a rock or a.crack in the sidewalk, which she didn’t see, she looks up at you with sad eyes and bloody scraped knees hoping you would help her up. Would she be considered a bitch because she asked for a little bit of assistance?”
Have you ever seen footage of a riot in the streets? When a man is lying bleeding on the ground, all women are running around, only caring about their own safety, not caring one moment about that man. When a woman has fallen, all men swarm around her pushing each other to help her first. That’s the difference between the world women live in, and the world men live in.
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I’m a female (in the 9 range looks-wise) and I’ve never even heard of a shit test until I read this. I don’t do shit tests. I’m not out to see if I can downgrade a guy by asking him to hold a drink.
Translation for men:
I’m a 6 or maybe a 7. Like most women, I am completely unaware when I shit test men, but of course, I downgrade men when they don’t pass them.
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Kerstin is that a shit test? sorry but most of us have already passed that one. but yeah keep up the good work layying betas you’re doing a good service.
Also i’d like to know, how many dicks have you sucked?
im reconsidering drinking the drink, let alone holding it lozlzlzlzlolz
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on April 27, 2010 at 4:43 pm Kerstin
I’m a female (in the 9 range looks-wise) and I’ve never even heard of a shit test until I read this. I don’t do shit tests. I’m not out to see if I can downgrade a guy by asking him to hold a drink. I’m not sure I’ve ever asked a guy to hold anything — I am not manipulative. And even so, maybe it was my purse while I was putting on my jacket or what not. They always oblige. That does not make me think less of them — on the contrary actually. If a guy wasn’t willing to do a small thing to help me (I would do the same for him) then I would think he is a self-centered prick and I would dump him if I saw several such red flags.
LOZZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZZLLZLZLZLZZLZLZL! “I am not manupalitve.” lzozllz. do you wear makeup? God hath given you one face & you paint yourself another. lzozozzlzl all to lure some poor beta to work for and support the alpha sperm you crave lzozlzlzl
Guys always pay for me. It’s a courtesy which I appreciate. I don’t want a “beta”; I am not searching for one. Nor do I want a rich, overly arrogant, “alpha” who thinks he can buy me with material objects.
LOZZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZZLLZLZLZLZZLZLZL! Guys always pay for prostitutes. lzozlzozlzlzl
My boyfriend treats me perfectly, he opens doors for me, the car door, pulls out my chair when we eat at a restaurant, and pays for everything without making a big deal of it. I have offered to pay before and he doesn’t really like the idea; once I asked if I could pay and he said, No. A few other times I did and he let me, after asking, are you sure? He thanked me sincerely as I always do to him. The best things we do together are the things that don’t cost anything or very little, like cooking or taking a walk. Not all women are manipulative gold-diggers you know.
LOZZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZZLLZLZLZLZZLZLZL! Did you ever have a one night stand? So now your boyfriend is paying for a vaginal region that was given freely when it was younger/hotter/tighter. what a beta lozlzllz
I love him because he is a gentleman, a strong masculine man, is passionate about what he does and has a sense of discipline in his life that no one else I’ve met has. He pleases me in bed like no one ever had. He is dominant and sometimes a bit bullheaded, but that goes with the territory I suppose.
LOZZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZZLLZLZLZLZZLZLZL! OMG !!! you afre comparing your boyfriend to other cocks lzozlzlozz so is he bigger or smaller than the dozens of other coks you gave yourself 2 for free lozlzllz?
These rigid classifications of alpha and beta are kind of silly and I think you guys should chill out and just try to be yourselves and court women the old-fashioned way while at the same time showing her who’s in charge. Not that difficult I would think; so why make it so complicated?
LOZZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZLZLZLZLZLLZLZZLLZLZLZLZZLZLZL! court women the old-fashioned way lzozozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl pardon me, may i have the next grind? lzozlzlzlzlzz women hate and disrespect men who take them on dates while they text biker cock to come over and fill them with biker sperm lzollzozozozl after the beta buys them supper and wines them up lozzllzlzlzlz u kno wi!
and 2/3 of woemn intitate divorce and so if you court them the old fashioned way u have to pay for the scar tissue left by the cock that got them when they were younger/hotter/tighter, you have tyo pay for her to bang ranom dudes while married, and you have to pay for her to bang dudes with alimony and child support after she anal rapes you in divorce court lzozlzlzl
since women give it up for free and respect you more the less you pay, why not pay less & get it for free? lzozlzlzlzllzlzlz
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an yeh who gives a shit about your boyfriend, the drink shit test applies very clearly to bar-skank game. Your boyfriend already failed the “relationship” shit-test so hes not a very good example of anything.
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Greatbooksformen
All that, and you don’t mention neo-cons or the Weekly Standard once?
What kind of troll are you?
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“I’m a female (in the 9 range looks-wise)”.
Pics please, to verify. Most 7s think they’re 9s.
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I have a male friend who is such a pussy sometimes. He basically did this shit test on me.
He goes to an ATM and says, “Can you hold this?”
I hesitated and thought to myself.. WTF. ITs a small bag with a bagel in it. He can’t hold it himself?
I just grabbed the damn thing and said, What on earth would you have done if I wasn’t here?
“I would probably set in on the concrete here”
I proceeded to put the bagel on the ground…
heh.
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“I’m a female (in the 9 range looks-wise)”.
Pics please, to verify. Most 7s think they’re 9s.
lozzllzlzlzlzlzl!
most 3s think they are 9s because now and then an alpha gets drunk and bored and bangs the hsit out of them lzozllzlzlzlzlzlzl
she sounds like a 2 who got banged by 7 drunk alphas so she reasons taht 2 + 7 = 9.
lzozlzlzlzlzlzz
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Wow, why are you so mean and bitter, greatbooksformen? I feel sorry for you. Living with that kind of bitterness and hatred must be exhausting. I hope you get better one day.
Cap’n Bob: It’s too bad that those boys had such bad experiences when they were young. Everyone gets rejected at some point, though. Even me! But you learn to move on and look forward.
Perhaps many women are manipulative like most of you guys here seem to think. But not all of us, so don’t let those women spoil things.
If you guys go back and read what you wrote in this forum I bet you will think: wow that is really mean, how did I get to be so bitter? You don’t want to live this way, believe me.
If you remain optimistic and don’t let bad experiences get you down you will find the right girl. My boyfriend did 🙂
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i laughed out loud here.
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“Kerstin
Wow, why are you so mean and bitter, greatbooksformen? I feel sorry for you. Living with that kind of bitterness and hatred must be exhausting. I hope you get better one day.”
lozlzlzlzl!?!??!
how is lzozlzlzlzlzlzling being mean & bitter? lzozlzlzlzlz lzozzllzl!
seriously how many guys have u had one night stands with and why do you make yur boyfriend pay for what they got for free?
why do you h8 on your boyfriend and charge him money while giving strangers the good 4 free.
lozzlz.z l
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This reminds me of a great pickup in the movie Eyes Wide Shut.
Worthy of the ongoing great scenes of game series.
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“If you remain optimistic and don’t let bad experiences get you down you will find the right girl. My boyfriend did.”
lozlzzlzlzozlol awesome opening dialogue 4 a porn movie lzozlzlzlzozlzzlzozlzl
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Why are you so mean?? I won’t resort to acting like you! And what is with this lolzzz stuff?
I don’t charge my boyfriend for anything, what are you talking about? We do stuff together. Not always does it involve money! Why are you so hung up on this? He likes to pay, so I let him. I have the feeling if I refused it it would somehow hurt his feelings or make him feel like less of a man. Sometimes I offer to pay, though, and he lets me. Often I cook him dinner and go to the store beforehand to buy the groceries. He really appreciates that 🙂
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Kerstin
You misunderstand a lot of things about game. And I dare say some things about your own attractors. Most girls do. Guys too but girls more for a variety of reasons, some what they’re told.
She doesn’t say to men in a relationship that they should never pay for dinner. You may not have noticed it but he’s making that distinction here too. He’s not talking about hold a girlfriend’s drink for her while she goes to the bathroom (though he’d probably agree to watch it as she puts it on the bar or a table). He’s talking about before the 1st date.
He saying that paying for lots of things early in dating is a very poor idea in attracting a girl though. Classically that is it’s a very bad idea to pay for all a girl’s drinks when you’re first gaming her/ trying to pick her up. And a very bad idea as well to make the first date dinner the guy pays for. Both may seem counter intuitive but if you read her discussions on each in detail when he’s done them you’d understand better — or might. You’d probably react the same way even if you don’t think you would. Or anyway you would if you’re American gen Y.
As for later on well that depends. If the guy makes a lot more money it’s rather boorish for him to not pay when it’s an expensive meal, but then too there’s no need to do a big number of those. For littler things she should pay sometimes. The point is to get out of the mindset that he’s obligated to pay cause she’s giving pussy. Of course the chivalry thing covers that up in misty things like “being a gentleman” but it’s there nonetheless. Well he’s giving quality alpha attached cock is the point, and that’s not a dime a dozen either.
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“I believe that my woman shouldn’t work outside the home. When I come home and I’m tired from filming all day, I expect her to be there and make sure that everything is cool for me. You know, like drawing my bath and helping me into bed. That’s the kind of job she had and, in return for it, she can bear my children and if any man talks bad to her, I’ll hit him.” – Oliver Reed
Check out his quotes on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001657/bio
He’s also featured in a recent book called Hellraisers. Basically a bunch of drinking stories about Richard Harris, Richard Buron, O’Tool, and Reed. Hollywood “men” today are beta homos.
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Kersten–
That does count.
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lozlzlzlzlzlz i am not mean! lzozllllzlllz
you say, “I don’t charge my boyfriend for anything, what are you talking about? ”
earlier you say, “Guys always pay for me. It’s a courtesy which I appreciate.”
lzozlzlz so your boyfriend isn’t a guy!!! lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlz zlzozlzlozlzlz
omg lzozzlzlzlzllzlz
omg lzol o0 lzozlzlz lzzlozozlzl zlzozllzlzlzlzlzlz omg
i gotta go text my frnds aboutit this and update mys tatus on facebook this is so friggin lozlzlzlz funny lzozlzlzl
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Appreciating something and being thankful for it is not the same as “charging”, which implies a transaction.
I don’t view my relationship as a transaction. Obviously you view all your interactions with women as transactions because you are bitter. I feel so sorry for you. Maybe you grew up in a broken household?
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@kerstin
You didn’t answer the questions.
A: have you ever had a one night stand.
B: how many cocks have you sucked
yes/no and a ballpark figure please.
Thanx
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I think there are many ways to beat the “Hold my drink” shit test, but it all depends on being yourself and having strong inner game. Any deviation from this and you can easily end up looking too angry/defensive or too weak.
Someone mentioned selective hearing which I like. It works in many instances and puts her in a position to actually beg for a favor, rather than punk you.
How well you know each other factors in too. If you do know each other, drinking the drink is always good. If they’re a complete stranger, you can’t go wrong with laughing in their face and saying no.
I don’t see how getting gay about the whole thing helps. My usual response in most cases would be to say fine, then put the drink down on the nearest table. I think the key is to not alter your plans, no matter how small, for them.
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I don’t think it’s very nice to ask a girl questions like that. But fine: I’ve never had a one night stand. I’ve had two boyfriends before this one and so that makes three to answer your second question.
Your turn: how many women have you slept with?
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hey kerstin i am not bitter far from it i am lozlzllzlzlzing haha lzozlzll
and howscomes u won’t answer da questions?
hows many one nights stands u have?
and why does ur boyfriend want to kiss a mouth that has had other mens cockas in it going spluge a luge a luge?
no offense 2 him but he sounds like a lozlzlzzlzler to me, paying for something that others got younger/hotter/tighter 4 free lozlzlzl
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“Kerstin
I don’t think it’s very nice to ask a girl questions like that. But fine: I’ve never had a one night stand. I’ve had two boyfriends before this one and so that makes three to answer your second question.
Your turn: how many women have you slept with?”
what does ur current boyfirnd do in bed to please you that the other guys didn’t couldn’t do? the ole hocker or finger in teh anus trick? or like what?
you shared your sex life and that he is the best so what makes him da best? lzozlzlzl
is is polite for women to talk about how great they are getting fucked by tehir current boyfriiend, but then impolite 4 men to ask why and how?
wtf lozzlllzlzlzllzlzlzl
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@kerstin
well we have two possibilities here:
A: you are telling the truth. In which case fuck off. You have never had a one night stand and so you have no place discussing talking bar-pick up game with experienced guys like us. Go ask your “boyfriend” to hold something for you.
B: Like a lot of women you even lie anonymously over the internet and most likely to yourself. Again, fuck off.
Shit test passed.
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She: “Can you hold my drink while I call my friend?”
Him: “Why? You need two hands to hold that phone? It’s cast iron or what?”
She: “Can you hold my drink while I go to the ladies room?”
Him: “Maybe you better drink it first?”
Simple is always the best
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Wisdom words from Faulkner is his interview with Paris Review ( http://www.theparisreview.org/viewinterview.php/prmMID/4954 )
‘ Good art can come out of thieves, bootleggers, or horse swipes. People really are afraid to find out just how much hardship and poverty they can stand. They are afraid to find out how tough they are. Nothing can destroy the good writer. The only thing that can alter the good writer is death. Good ones don’t have time to bother with success or getting rich. Success is feminine and like a woman; if you cringe before her, she will override you. So the way to treat her is to show her the back of your hand. Then maybe she will do the crawling. ‘
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Well all I can say is, like attracts like. You are both disrespectful, mean men. So you attract trashy women. In pick-up bars no less. What do you expect, to be treated nicely and respectfully by people that go to those types of places?
You wouldn’t know a quality woman if she was standing right in front of you.
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@kerstin did you know that sex out of wedlock is a sin?
when u get married i hope you do not desecrate a church lozlzllzlz unless u wear all black to match your soul lzlzlzozlzlozzlzlzllzlzlzlzlz
i will be the minister.
“you may now kiss the bride. . .. if you’re a beta who lieks the taste of other men’s giz & paying alimony . lzozlzlzllzlzllz!!!!”
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Kerstin, you sound like a sweet girl. Your time will be better spent chatting with your sexy boyfriend. Turn off your computer and walk away, never look back!
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“me me me
Kerstin, you sound like a sweet girl. Your time will be better spent chatting with your sexy boyfriend. Turn off your computer and walk away, never look back!
”
ahhh yes but jesus says the truth sets us free and sonner or later her boyfirend will want the truth regarding all the prior cockage and positions and nagles of the dangles lozlzlz
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@GreatBooksForMen
“Pardon Me, May I have the next grind”
Hahhaha, good stuff
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@ ME ME ME
Of course Kersten’s time would be better spent turning off the computer and walking away…………but she can’t. Asshole game works like a charm.
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“Kerstin
Well all I can say is, like attracts like. You are both disrespectful, mean men. So you attract trashy women. In pick-up bars no less. What do you expect, to be treated nicely and respectfully by people that go to those types of places?
You wouldn’t know a quality woman if she was standing right in front of you.”
That depends on which way she was facing. lozlzllzlz!
hey how does ur boyfriend and the otehr dudes who gizzed inside of you feel about you comparing them all on a message board?
why do woemn love sperm wars–seeing other men fight it out and then having the men’s sperm battle it out in their wombs before often ripping the fetus from tehir womb and voting for foreign fiat wars on foreign shores? lozzllzl why do women love violence so much lzozllz
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Kerstin,
Instead of trying to get a group of unknown men on the internet to treat women better, maybe you should just convince all of your nice girl friends not to go out with guys who are jerks instead of nice guys.
Oh, now that I write it I see the problem. Well, carry on. Maybe use a bit more shaming language though.
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Pathetic. An (alleged) woman posts, and the guys are going out of their way to black knight her.
It’s the same principle as white knighting – allowing females to dominate your emotions and feelings. The white knight wants to rescue. The black knight wants to imprison and oppress.
A player only talks to a woman when it will get him laid.
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Funny stuff lol… greatbooksformen.
As for Kerstin, she keeps repeating the same old shaming language material.
She can’t think logically. She doesn’t get it.
Definition of prostitute. A “lady” who accepts money/material goods for “affection”.
Nice try Kerstin, you’re not fooling anybody Lmao!!!
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lozlzloloz @ Mike, so instead you’ll blacknight some other guys, you over-emotional fag. if you are such a player why do you need to talk to a girl at all? sounds like you’re letting them play with your emotions. Why don’t you go stand in a public place and wait for the girls to come to you…..no wait that would be letting them play with your emotions too. Just wait for them to call your cell phone, that is if you’re a hot player….no wait answering the cell would be too emotional a response…
just wait for the girls too jump on your cock, that is if you’re a bigtime player….. or would mustering up an erection be too emotional a response? You fucking fag lozlozlzozl
come on now bro don’t front like you’re a somebody.
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@Mike
Would you like us all the gang bang you? i mean you are talking to us after all player…
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@MIKE
I hope and am pretty sure people were having fun with the idea of an (alleged) girl stopping into the message board rather than getting bent out of shape emotionally.
In either event, I didn’t care too much one way or another. I like to pick up valuable insights and ideas from this site. An opinionated female can be a great asset to probe how some girls think. ….Kersten was pretty worthless though and offered little except having to explain basic concepts that we all agree exist and she would probably never acknowledge even if recognized.
I do agree with you that if a complete stranger asked me to hold her drink, … depending on the girl, it is most likely an attempt to spark something with me rather than shit test me
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Mike just called it like it is. And besides, if you really want to make a woman bad the best way to do it is by ignoring her, not by black-knighting her.
[editor: why did people gang up on kerstin? she was relatively harmless.]
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I agree that a “9” should be a welcome addition to the message board, even if her looks are unproven.
Unleashing “GreatBooksForMen” on her is pretty good too. Hahaha
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Please more examples of shit tests.
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[…] The Ultimate Shit Test – How to avoid the most insidious shit test, the favor Grow Your Game: […]
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Women aren’t too be reasoned with – only tamed. One does not tame a woman by calling her a whore. A man tames a woman by making her fall in love with him.
Men (and I use that term loosely when addressing such specimens as “the realist”) can be reasoned with. Hence, why I addressed those who immediately denigrated Kerstin.
A serial killer is more beta than the traditional American husband. Serials killers hate women so much – due to an inability to tame them – that they murder them in a way to express power. At least an American husband once had the love of his wife.
Women hating – the type seen in serial killers and all too often at sites like The Spearhead – is beta. The hatred is the product of bitterness and resentfulness. The bitter can never celebrate life.
What I’ve seen addressed to Kerstin is much more “Psycho” than “American Psycho.”
Get over the hatred of women. It is possible to recognize the true nature of woman without hating them. I loved my first dog – a wolf hybrid. I had no delusions that the dog would rip my face off were circumstances different. That said, the dog loved me – and I, it.
The female nature is intended to overcome and destroy the male will. One can recognize the true feminine nature while allowing a woman to love him – and he, in turn, can allow himself to love her.
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Are there many examples of an inverted sh*t-test?
Something that a man can quickly apply to a woman he has approached (not just asking her to buy him a drink), that can determine her morals or level of flakiness, without having to spend date after date looking for red flags.
By the way, I thought it was interesting to have Kerstin’s opinions. She was articulate and strong willed and skeptical of the power of game (while unwittingly proving its every precept).
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@ Mike.
So i was trying to reason with kirsten when i told her to fuck off? seems like you’re the only one trying to reason your way out of a beta hole.
Only a Beta could mistake cussing someone out for trying to tame them. Youv’e wasted about as much time attacking supposed psychos as anyone wasted attacking kirsten, does that make you a deranged beta also? please swallow your own medicine kiddo. And seriously dude, fuck your dog and fuck your “love”.
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@ the king
For more shit tests see every word Mike spews forth.
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@the king
My favourite shit tests and the ones most applicable to myself because i am extremely good looking are:
“you are/are you a player?”
“whats the catch….”
“you are too good to be true…”
“i bet you have a great sex life…”
“you could have any girl in here…”
“you are forward…..”
“do you think im easy….”
I’ll be honest when i first started out with game i was aiming low 6/7/8 and was so horny i would fuck anything, simply put if you are high T enough/ drunk enough you can fuck 7s like they are 10s. I am close to a 10 in looks(but lacked game for a long time) so the girls used to try and suss me out.
Never contradict what they say as if you want to prove you aren’t a player. Never become defensive and try and convince them they are good enough, women will feign insecurity, do not build them up, whether they are insecure is irrelevant to whether they’ll love getting fucked by you.
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lozlzlzlzlzlzl !!!! mike’s experience with women is his own hand and vaselineolozlzlz
check it out:
Mike writes:
Women aren’t too be reasoned with – only tamed. One does not tame a woman by calling her a whore. A man tames a woman by making her fall in love with him.
My hands aren’t too be reasoned with – only tamed. One does not tame a hand by calling it a whore. A man tames hand by making it fall in love with him.
loalozlzozlzlzlz mike’s hand loves him lzozlzlzlz
Get over the hatred of you hand. It is possible to recognize the true nature of your hands without hating them. I loved my first hog – a fat-chick-dog hybrid. I had no delusions that the hog would rip my face off were circumstances different and she were teaching the feminist studies course. That said, the hog loved me – and I, it, in the butt.
The hand’s nature is intended to overcome and destroy the male will. One can recognize the true hand nature while allowing a hand to love him – and he, in turn, can allow himself to love his hand.
lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlz!
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Is “the realist” the most bitter “man” who posts here? Seems so. Take a lesson from David Alexander: Resigning one’s self to betatude can bring a sort of inner peace – which is preferable to your piss-and-vinegar bitterness.
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“Dalrock
Kerstin,
Instead of trying to get a group of unknown men on the internet to treat women better, maybe you should just convince all of your nice girl friends not to go out with guys who are jerks instead of nice guys.
Oh, now that I write it I see the problem. Well, carry on. Maybe use a bit more shaming language though.”
Ummmm…well, it should be obvious that if she did go and try to get her girlfriends to date nice guys instead of jerks, they’d think it was something sneaky and underhanded and so they’d go after the jerks even more than they already did.
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@Mike
stop trying to game me and focus on the shit tests bro, you are done.
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I’m not sure, but I think this one is even worse – You are standing at the back of an elevator, but on the side where the buttons are. A woman with free hands enters the elevator, stands on the other side away from where the buttons are, and asks you to press the button for her desired floor. My anger usually flared at such effrontery – sure wish I had thought of saying with my best sly smile – “I could . . . . . . . . . but I won’t”.
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Also note Mike you were the first to reference to “beta”.
I don’t consider myself an Alpha or a beta. I am purely an opportunist. Some nights i’m a stripper. Some nights im a shy guy. To some girls im a bad boyy, some girls im the smart guy.
@ Chateau
you need to do a post on lying game. Since i work out and have a decent physique/looks and can dance relatively well i often mention to girls that i’m a stripper. This is ONE DAMN POWERFUL FRAME.
The number of girls that will start making sexual hints, wanting to see you naked, become touchy feely etc. You have to do it in a sly way but once they believe it sets a situation for you to be SO DAMN FORWARD.
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this is why I read you.
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Whenever anyone asks me to hold anything I simply take it and place it down on the nearest flat surface.
But for a drink, of course I’d finish a good half of it. And pretend that I didn’t.
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“the realist,” you’ve failed, bro.
Your penultimate post should have been your last, “stop trying to game me and focus on the shit tests bro, you are done.”
Not bad.
Yet your next post has you proving yourself to me. “I don’t consider myself an Alpha or a beta. [Blah, blah, blah, blah.]”
Why are you giving me your life story, and telling me about yourself? I’m not your therapist – nor do I desire to be.
You have no control over your emotions. You are no different from the women you insult.
P.S. Greatbooksformen rules.
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“Dave
You are standing at the back of an elevator, but on the side where the buttons are….”
Probably best to help out there – Chivalry’s like grain alcohol – it’s quite good in small doses.
But there’s a big jump from being polite to being a sycophant, and holding a drink (or worse, a handbag) would fall in that category.
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No i can continue to speak at you whilst you are done. You have been done for a long time. You were done before you started in my opinion, but sure another post claiming MY emotions are out of control really proves your point…..
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@Mike…..Is “the realist” the most bitter “man” who posts here? Seems so
You sound like a typical woman who was trained. You can’t talk to “Social Programming”. You are a ken doll, smooth between the legs :). Grow a pair you shamer Lol.
How many more weak men are out there? A bunch of jelly fish, no spine Lol.
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@Dave
Yeah maybe she just wants you to the press buttons. Or do you think if you pass that shit test you can start fucking her there and then….
get back to us on that one bro
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i think we need a post on elevator game
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Very chivalrous of you DF. I agree with you about multi-tasking. I equate multi-tasking with Feminism’s “Having it All” mentality which ends up short-shrifting everyone, husband, children, job etc.
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call me emotional but im half expecting another well thought out, extremely clever post from Mike. Im waiting Mike it does take a while for you to think up these gems whilst i spew comments at a rate of 5 a minute coz i’m so emotional….
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Re the elevator: How about doing a gomer pyle aw shucks on her and just when you are about to press the elevator button, glancing back at her with your most malevolent, psychotic, child-eating look “you must have confused me with your eunuch boyfriend – do it yourself”. Then, if you have her convinced that you’re a psycho, and she leaves the elevator first say loud enough for her to hear “I bet you’ll tell all your friends about the scary psycho you met in the elevator I’m not a psycho I’m just an ASSHOLE Ha Ha Ha”
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About the elevator story – I should have added that I detected a somewhat dismissive, entitled sense in the female’s request that riled my anger.
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“i think we need a post on elevator game”
Ya, no kidding. I’m still kicking myself for the one I let get away a few days ago. And there was sexual tension too.
How do you get a number between the lobby and the first floor?
Oh, and the girls swimming in the pool! Damn, damn, damn.
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just insist that she does it herself and spank her ass(note be ready to run away when the doors open).
Or say something cheesy “yeh you’d love it if i pushed your buttons”.
Either way you’re in that elevator for the next 20 seonds so enjoy it.
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Kerstin- Marry that guy ASAP.
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Don’t laugh about the psycho routine. One time I was talking to a woman that I thought was by herself and I was definitely not interested so I did a little psycho routine to scare her away just for laughs. Later on another woman came up to me and struck up a conversation and the next thing she’s saying is “I bet you want to hurt me”. I couldn’t believe she said that so I asked her to repeat it and sure enough she said it. Turns out she was friends with the first woman. Scary what you find out when you’re willing to act a little outside the zone of expectations. TMI!
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sperm form the alpha money from the beta
call bernanke out they call youu a hata
they taught me how to divocre your ass
in my feminits tsudies class
neocon culture = butthex without the talent
why buy a pussy when you can rent (for free!!!)
the weekly standard honors tucker maxes doing it up teh butt
they kill the family as the bankers gte their cut
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they honor tucker max and repeat his six foot lies
while they ignore all the true hero alpha males
dying in foreign wars on foregein shorswhere for wmd lies
as american women become barren cumdumpster whales
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Is it the G button you wanted pushed?
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or the F button?
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Her: I want the “6” button. You: I’m sorry, but these fingers are only capable of pushing the “G” and the “F” buttons for you.
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Any woman who would ask a guy they just met in a bar to hold their drink is a damn fool.
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Living in Washington DC also, I’ve received this request more times than I can remember from girls; both those I’ve known for years, or just met.
My response is always the same: “What, are your arm’s broken? The Goddamn bar is right there.” Never delivered in an angry or defensive voice, more like responding to a ridiculous request to do someone else’s taxes.
Make sure you say it loud enough so others in your group hear it too. Usually they’ll all laugh at the unexpected and absolute refusal. Works like a charm every time.
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Kersten,
American Girl discontinued you (except they spelled it Kirsten.)
OK, here’s how it goes. Nearly every girl shit tests, even the “cute, sweet” ones. regardless of whether or not they acknowledge it. I think the difference in females use of such tests is how they utilize the feedback they gain. You (like myself) probably just have a very high tolerance for “beta behavior”, but you still test to some degree. What was your parents relationship like? I saw directly the agony caused by an alpha father growing up, so it’s a huge turnoff. Personally, I couldn’t/didn’t have any desire to attach myself for life to someone who was literally untameable. So, shit tests for me helped to establish my husband’s capacity to be a lifetime companion. I was not going to repeat my mom’s mistake and endure such agony.
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cannot believe the thread of responses to
mr lozl aka greatbooksformen
the guy is a total idiot and he pollutes the coolness out of the thread. it can become almost unreadable with his spastic asinine comments.
again, I vote him off the commenter island. at least ignore him.
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^^^^^^
lozllzlzlzllzllllzl!!!!
yeah let’s get everyone to ignore me…
all together now…. on the count of threee
1….
2….
3….
ignorlozlzlzoz.zozlololzozlzlozozzllzlzlzlzozlzlzlzozllz
did tucker max secretively videotape anal sex with you and then publish and profit from it while the weeklty standard repeated his six foot tall buttsex lies too?
lozlzlz
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yeh instead of being mirthful, obnoxious and full of joy its much “cooler” to act like a bunch of bitter woman hating spazzes who think its “negging” to respond to a woman’s request to hold their drink while she makes a phone call with “fuck you bitch im no fucking beta mangina! i mean, uh, no honey, uh do a sexy twirl form me…””
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^^^^^^^
dude you need to be my wingman man!!!
next time we’re out & a chick asks me “will you hold my drink?”
i’ll go “no but she will” and point at you in your shiny shirt with your beta smile. ozzllzzozlozlzlzlzozlzozolzlzozlzllzlzozlzllzlzl
and then i’ll whisper in her ear “because he thinks it’ll get him laid. lzozllzlz”
and she’ll smile and laugh and come home and play with my cock later that night not yours lzozllzlz
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My comment about greatbooksformen – He’s making an invaluable point to the gamesters here. A reality check – In the latest “great scenes of game . . .” blog I posted two clips from an excellent production of Don Giovanni performed at the met in 1990. It was both a comment and a meta-comment. The first clip had illustrations of game in action and this was the comment. The content of the meta-comment: Don Giovanni was in the business of seducing and corrupting women who were more devout and valued their purity more than the current crop. When Don Giovanni seduced a woman it was a real act of wickedness. Using game to pick up a woman is not seduction as practiced by Don Giovanni. It is more like providing entertainment to jaded women and indicating to them that you won’t do anything beta-ish that might make them feel cheap if they act out their more base inclinations. This is not a value judgment, it is just a recognition of reality that “seducing a tramp” is really an oxymoron.
[editor: game works especially well on women who think themselves chaste.]
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Greatbooksformen reminds us of this reality.
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Lol @ the chick asking you to hold her drink… fuck that shit.
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lozlzl dude, you were the joyous mirthful obnoxious one and everyone else are the bitter gameless fags
you aren’t great at seeing whose on your side
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Off topic, but I just wanted to give props to Polymath for dropping some outstanding comments these past couple weeks, particularly the chess analogy. Not bad for an older married man with a kid.
How long have you been reading here dude? No homo.
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“Anonymous
lozlzl dude, you were the joyous mirthful obnoxious one and everyone else are the bitter gameless fags
you aren’t great at seeing whose on your side”
i luv everyone equally lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzl
i might not be good at seeing who’s on myu side and mostly id don’t care but i’m pretty good seeing which chicks are bent over in front of me presenting, her panties down. lzozlzlzozlzlzozlzlzozlzlzozzlzlzlzlzl
then, and only then, do i know that she has chosen my sperm to battle it out with the ten other cocks she took in that wekk lzozlzlzlzolzozozlzlzlzlzlzl
boy am i honored lzozlzlz
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You want an example – Rod Steiger’s gaming/rape of Julie Christie’s Lara in Dr. Zhivago. She liked it! But I believe that there are women who are chaste and are seduced, but Lara was not one of them.
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theres an early scene in its a wonderful life in which the kid character who would be donna reed says to kid char who would be jimmy stewart:”help me down?”
response: “help you down??!”
but whats instinctive for the boy may not be for the man.
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whay r u guys talking about movies form teh 1950s in the context of game lzolzlzozlzozozlzlzll lozzllzlz?
i luv u all but u need to watch movies like kickass in th theaters now where little girls say the cunt word and cock word and kill people iin cold blood as that is how the federal reserve is reprogramming women.
you will get cocked in the ass, cunted in divorce court, and kileld in real life by the centeral banking cartel if you don’t get with it brothas from different mothas.
i luv ya all so i’s gots to say that the weekly standard likes tucker max because he films secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent lzozlzlzl that is what the conservative are conserving bbutthex.
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You want an example – Rod Steiger’s gaming/rape of Julie Christie’s Lara in Dr. Zhivago. She liked it!
Haven’t seen it, but that reminds me of Straw Dogs, when Susan George’s character is raped by one of the alpha locals. She ends up liking it.
As others have said, when an alpha rapes, it’s not really rape.
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Strelnikov (Tom Courtenay) is the guy who falls in love with Lara even though Steiger had her when she was younger hotter tighter tighter hotter younger in gbfm’s memorable formulation. Gaming someone like Lara after she’s been “broken in” by someone like Steiger’s character isn’t seducing her.
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[editor: game works especially well on women who think themselves chaste…..]
but not at all on women who actually ARE chaste.
[editor: it works on them too.]
Guys…know this, if silly parlor tricks performed in a pickup bar work on her, she’s not the real deal.
[false premise]
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This thread has gotten really weird. I don’t know why people feel they have to get personal on an anonymous forum like this….
realist had a great elevator line, “yeh you’d love it if I pushed your buttons”. There are probably variations on that which would work even better.
Elevator game is also good with a girl you know already but rarely get one-on-one, like a co-worker. You could play games with the route (secretly press the button for the floor just below hers to try to get her to get out on the wrong floor), or say “next time let’s take the stairs, that way we can have a longer conversation”, or say “why do people always face the front?”, or in a very crowded elevator arrange to be squeezed against her by incoming people and say “we’ve got to stop meeting like this”, or say “I hear there’s a great view from the top floor, wanna see if it’s true?”, or pretend to open the door for her at her stop.
Also an elevator is the perfect place to comment (with a little neg) on her perfume: “nice fragrance, in a confined space like this you don’t want to risk offending someone”, or “ah, *you’re* the one who smells like strawberries”, or “is that fragrance your shampoo or your lip gloss?” followed by moving closer and sniffing.
With girls you don’t know in an elevator you must get some sort of IOI so as not to be perceived as a creep, but that can be managed by making eye contact with a smile when you first enter the elevator (or, if you are already there, when she first enters). If she smiles back you can say “I’m visiting this week, do you know where I could find a good steak house?” or some other reasonable opener. Or, say “have you ever given your number to someone you met in an elevator before?”. Or “I’ve found that 1 out of 3 times I ask a girl in an elevator for her number she gives it to me.” but DON’T ACTUALLY ASK FOR THE NUMBER. If she offers it, you win, if she says “Sorry, I’m not one of them” say “Sorry, I didn’t actually ask you.”
Or, prepare one of your business cards ahead of time for elevator pickups (so you won’t have to scribble sloppily and fast) that written on the back with the words “saw you on elevator but you were talking to someone” and drop it in her coat pocket or shopping bag when she’s not looking. This will get a response often enough to make it worth a try.
have a special business card ready for such occasions
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Tupac,
Thanks for the props. I’ve been on here a few weeks, wasting lots of time I should have been working (occupational hazard when you telecommute 3-4 days a week). My experience with LTR/married game is good, as well as flirting game (where my wedding ring is a protective shield which allows me to be friendly in a deniable way as long as I never make an explicit proposal), but my PUA game is only theoretical.
However, I’m a theory guy (math, chess, statistics, etc.) and am great at systematizing and pattern recognition and learning structured subjects, and have always been able to learn from OTHER people’s mistakes, so I’m confident my advice is generally sound.
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lozlzlzlzozlzozll!!!
“However, I’m a theory guy (math, chess, statistics, etc.) and am great at systematizing and pattern recognition and learning structured subjects, and have always been able to learn from OTHER people’s mistakes, so I’m confident my advice is generally sound.”
yeah math = logic = chix on your dicks lzozllzozlzozl
the real equation is
math + logic + lozlzozlozzlzozozlzl in her face = chick on dick
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Hello, can you provide more examples of shit tests?
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if it smells liek shit and tastes like shit it is shit.
from a real man here–the moment you think a gilr is giving you shit, she is giving you shit.
no lzozllzllzlzing here
you gotta call it out right away and define it and walk away
she will come around later and let you cum inside her
but the second she gives you shit again you’re gone
because women are trained by ben bernanke and the fed these days, they don’t know how bnot to give a guy shit so they are givibng shit non stop lolzlzzozlolzoz
that is why it is best to keep them out of you housessss
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Polymath:
Good suggestions, but this:
Or, prepare one of your business cards ahead of time for elevator pickups (so you won’t have to scribble sloppily and fast) that written on the back with the words “saw you on elevator but you were talking to someone” and drop it in her coat pocket or shopping bag when she’s not looking. This will get a response often enough to make it worth a try.
…has the odor of beta.
I suppose it might work if your name was well known and you had a rep, but otherwise….nahhhh.
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Only if she’ll give me a blowjob for it.
My inner girl is a lesbian with a whip.
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I love greatbooksformen.
That is all.
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i still ask the question; what does woman want? H seems to answer; an LTR with an alpha. but unless i misunderstand something, the math of that doesnt work out. a true alpha wont settle for one woman. so the woman wants a cheater? she must, becuase the only proof of being alpha is acting alpha. so women want a guy who cheats?
otoh, women want beta providers. so they WANT betas? so does woman want an LTR provider beta while fucking alphas on the side?
which is it? what does woman want?
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Tupac,
The thing with the business card was just an idea for when you have no other chance of seeing the girl again and want to play the percentages. Since she doesn’t discover it until you’re far away, no harm no foul. But I should have said (and would have except I accidentally hit “submit” too soon) this only works if you already had an IOI so she’ll remember who you are (or else your pic is on your card).
Also, there may be a wittier and more effective line to scribble on the back than the one I first thought of….
If the girl is not actually in a conversation, though, so that you can address her directly instead of dropping a card, there is probably a line with a better chance of number closing, such as the one I recommended (“1 out of 3” etc.).
Trolzl,
you’re right, math+logic never works on chicks (except math majors, when it does!), but it’s useful for understandinng yourself.
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drunk me watching sports highlights, thinking how curious it is that the purpose of sport is to signal attractive genes to women, yet — why r the majority of sports fans men? it is because women r drawn to study what is attractive to women. so in the same spirit women watch movies men watch sports. interesting tho that it is of no help. women r attracted to good atheletes not superfans. nor r guys attracted to women who r groupies. yet we all compulsively study, calling it entertainment.
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“nor r guys attracted to women who r groupies. ”
wtf dude i love my groupioes and my cock is very attracted to the ass why thank you lzozlzlzolzozzlzl
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“Are feminist calls to embrace our inner girl just a giant, society-wide shit test to brand the betas with a big red B so they can be more easily identified, and thus sexually ostracized?”
You can abstract that one level up:
Feminist calls to [fill in the blank] are a giant, society-wide shit test to brand the betas…
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ahappinessexperiment:
Woman want alpha. Alpha cheater. Women no like cheater. But woman like alpha more than they hate cheater.
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you’re right, math+logic never works on chicks (except math majors, when it does!)
“Pupu is never dry”
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Fitting punishments for her audacity in no particular order. Pick your teeth with the drink straw, big mouthfull and back wash, stir with tongue, sprinkle booger flakes etc, but then again alcohol sterlises.
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It’s amazing how woman hating the culture can be here, and also how sex oriented. It seems a little odd to assume that a woman isn’t good for anything except for sex. Are guys incapable of having meaningful relationships with women that they don’t have sex with?
It’s really a shame that guys can be so sex focused. There are some great guys out there that I wish I could have been friends with, but it turns out that they wanted more and I wasn’t interested in that way. Sometimes I worry about leading guys on simply by smiling at them or being friendly, and I hate that I have to worry about that. I hate that I feel like if I’m nice to guys I’m giving them ideas, and that a smile is some how a free-pass to touch my ass.
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The other great shit test..which I never realized was a shit test and is marked in this blog somewhere is:
HER: “I miss you….”
Lots of discussion here about WHY that’s a shit test…the only thing I’d add to this is some other ones I’ve heard and never realized until now:
HER: “There are no good men in this town….” Beta Bait for you to start to qualify yourself….trap…
HER: Why don’t you have a girlfriend….
Best response to this I saw was from Mystery who said “I’m very picky, in fact there’s a test…” then goes on to administer the “Girlfriend Test”….it’s brilliant.
I think there are different degrees of “shit tests”….the ones you get immediately and are “Pass/fail”
Then there’s the longer-term shit tests which I think can be plotted on a bell curve of beta-ness. You can get away with some straight answers but too many results in a “FAIL”.
Context is important…if you’re building rapport and she’s asking questions about you… you can’t be a complete smart-ass all the time. Calibration is important.
Example:
Back and forth banter….
HER: Wow, you’ve been around and lived in different places, Where were you born anyway?
ME: In a hospital
HER: I can’t talk to you….
ME: recovery….get into comfort building…Smile….Actually …ever heard of…go on from there.
The problem with shit tests is that there should be some end to them at some point.
If they seem to continue at EVERY meeting, it’s clear the girl has issues with her own intimacy and letting her guard down.
I’ve had situations where I stayed too long hoping to “sell myself”…BIIIIIIIG mistake.
Now…if the shit tests continue to the point of exhaustion…I pull back or cease contact, stop calling.
Good example of passing shit tests…Christian McNamarra in Nip/Tuck….
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oops…Should be Christian Troy….. Sean McNamarra is the beta partner.
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Kerstin, here’s a friendly word of advice. Coming on this site with your obviously rational, sensible well-balanced thoughts about healthy non-exploitative adult sexual relationships is a bit like walking into the Acute wing of Victorian Bedlam and trying to set up a glee club.
Now if you came in gibbering about hypergamous vampire bitches hiding under your bed trying to steal that crusty old sock you wank in every night in order to harvest your precious alpha male sperm, you’d fit right in.
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Most Men think about sex all the time. Plain fact….Betas are afraid to admit it, can’t have the inner neanderthal come out, U see…GBFM makes a cool point – why get fucked over by a slut who has decided to financially rape U for what she’s been giving away for free? Younger, hotter, and TIGHTER…lolzlolz…Certainly wish I’d learned about Game 30 yrs ago…Shit tests are part and parcel of a womans life, so knowing how to deflect them just means U’ll live easier….Confusion and despair to the feminist cunts who are trying to rape us….Ever watch a womans eyes when she sees a younger, hotter, tighter woman enter the room? Priceless…So, if a bar slut wants U to hold her drink, oh please….Nah, Ur arm broken? Smile and ignore such foolishness. If she wants to call her BFF, well, slowly wander off looking at the next heifer….Just be aware that women shit test ALL the time…So, really, if we didn’t want some pussy, why would we even fuck with these brainwashed bernanke sluts?
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A woman wants to mould her man into something she no longer wants, but only to display lack of desire after babies start coming out and she is ready to rest up and move on to the next target.
Or
A woman wants a man to mysteriously figure out that what she says she wants is not what she really wants. She wants a man who understands female nature much more than she understands her own. She wants a mind reader who will treat her like a child and dominate her while making her feel like an empowered woman who is willingly subservient.
Or
A woman wants an alpha who will use her at his pleasure, for as long as she can keep him and for as much attention she can west from him.
Or
A woman wants a family man to mow the lawn, take care the boiler, pay for new drapes and a flash bike for the kid.
Or
A woman wants all of these things and they only seem incompatible to the person who does not understand woman-nature. It’s not what they say that matters, remember? A woman could never in a trillion and three years tell you what she wants. You have to just know.
The way for a man to figure it out is from having dated a lot. That makes you alpha right there. Or at least of a superior intelligence and social savy. It’s not inompatible at all, what women want. It’s just completely different from what they say or think they want.
They want to be effectively tamed and dominated while enjoying the dramatic ride.
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Ella
Oh, go whine to your women friends. Or, you could grow up and face reality.
Which would you prefer? Door number one of friends you can commiserate with about the sad state of affairs, or door number two in which you finally resign yourself to the facts of nature?
Keep fighting it, if you have to. But do it amongst the woman folk, will you? To men’s ears it sounds like babies crying.
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Simple counter to shit tests from women – 3 simple words.
The 3 magic words: DO NO FAVORS.
No holding drinks, no holding handbags, no lending a hand, no carrying heavy stuff for her, no fixing her things. Don’t even give advice or lend a listening ear – you tune out or walk away if she tries to make you an emotional tampon.
DO NO FAVORS.
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“What if a girl trips and falls over a rock or a.crack in the sidewalk, which she didn’t see, she looks up at you with sad eyes and bloody scraped knees hoping you would help her up. Would she be considered a bitch because she asked for a little bit of assistance”
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Whether she is a bitch is a non-issue. What matters is you, the man, must be as aloof, unhelpful and insensitive as possible. This should come naturally, effortlessly. Those men who have difficulty must unlearn their years of indoctrination in chivalry and respecting/protecting women. It’s hard, but it can be done.
After all, the only reason why you want to hang out with a woman is to get her gina tingling and her legs spreading for you. Being a thoughtful nice guy will not aid you in achieving those objectives. Be a jerk to women and be absolutely unapologetic about it. – mgtow
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mgtow, aren’t you a bit excessive?
I think that a little bit of chivalry, when used with moderation and at the right moments, doesn’t destroy her perceived value of you as a man. – Steve
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Well, ‘mgtow’ is either one extremely jaded and hurt individual, and cannot distinguish the forest from the trees — or is a provacateur attempting to make the position he (or she) ‘advocates’ look deliberately bad and stupid/foolish, so as to make men taking this ‘advice’ look bad by comparison.
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I hate that I feel like if I’m nice to guys I’m giving them ideas, and that a smile is some how a free-pass to touch my ass. – Ella
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Sorry Ella — but this is just bitch behavior, plain and simple — all your explanations and justifications to the contrary.
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I think there is one occasion where you can hold her drink. This would be – if you drink the drink afterwards. She will think you are a beta at first but when she sees you’ve drank it, she will be like WTF, how DARE he do that? The same goes with purse – if she gives you her purse, just start rummaging through it.
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“Are guys incapable of having meaningful relationships with women that they don’t have sex with?”
Female relatives aside, no, unless they are some kind of feminized douches who crave female attention and approval.
There’s absolutely no point in it, it’s a waste of time, life is too short, etc. Sorry, that’s the harsh truth.
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@Ella.
“It’s amazing how woman hating the culture can be here, and also how sex oriented. It seems a little odd to assume that a woman isn’t good for anything except for sex. Are guys incapable of having meaningful relationships with women that they don’t have sex with?
It’s really a shame that guys can be so sex focused. There are some great guys out there that I wish I could have been friends with, but it turns out that they wanted more and I wasn’t interested in that way.”
You didn’t read the sign on the door, did ya?
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@Ella “Are guys incapable of having meaningful relationships with women that they don’t have sex with?”
I hear this one all the time. The women who use it are trying to form friendships with single men, because being close friends with a guy who is in an LTR or married is “weird” or is threatening to his girlfriend/wife. The tip off here is that “they all want more”. It should be obvious that a man who is single is going to take an attractive womans interest in him as an opportunity to change that status.
That you consider this evidence of hatred of women reveals your own disregard for men. How dare they have and pursue an agenda at odds with your own? Why would a man want to be “friends” with someone who regards his needs and objectives as irrelevant? not very friendly IMO
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“I hate that I feel like if I’m nice to guys I’m giving them ideas, and that a smile is some how a free-pass to touch my ass.”
It is solely your perogative as a woman who, or how many men to tap your ass.
However, as a woman, your worth as a human being is largely defined by your ass, your body and your looks. It does not matter if you’re a shrew or a courteous, amiable, refined lady – at the end of the day, you’re nothing more than a piece of meat. Men who practice game will treat you accordingly.
“Are guys incapable of having meaningful relationships with women that they don’t have sex with?”
For guys, there is no such thing as a female platonic friend. In fact, there is no such thing as a female friend too. Only some guys qualify as friends – you know, those people who accept you as you are, go through good times and bad times with you, whom you may have known since junior high.
Women are at best _acquaintances_. This is especially true for female co-workers: the optimal relationship is a cordial working relationship. Nothing more.
Women = targets for sport sex, or for ignoring. Life is simpler and more fruitful this way.
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@Reality Check
Well, ‘mgtow’ is either one extremely jaded and hurt individual, and cannot distinguish the forest from the trees — or is a provacateur attempting to make the position he (or she) ‘advocates’ look deliberately bad and stupid/foolish, so as to make men taking this ‘advice’ look bad by comparison.
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My advice of ‘DO NO FAVORS’ (for women) works, and have proven to work remarkably well. Men out there can give it a shot and judge for themselves. I stand by my advice.
I’m a guy and I’ve never been hurt. In fact, I do the hurting. It’s part and parcel of game.
I am just very observant. I see my friends become the good provider-nice guy to their whore wives. Total pussy whipping, shells of their former selves.
It’s natural to me, as I’m skeptical by nature, like to ask questions and probe around.
I could see the warning signs waaay back, while they were still dating and the whole lot of us went on group outings. All it takes is a little ‘respecting her’ here, and a little ‘doing favor for her’ there and very soon, after the inevitable wedding she wears the pants in the house.
To borrow a quote from the Bible: ‘A little leaven leaveneth the lump.’ A man must watch out for shit tests and nip it in the bud. ALL women shit test, some consciously, others subconsciously. Perhaps this is a behavioral relic of weeding out weaklings since prehistoric times, but it’s fact.
Like I said, just be observant. You don’t need to put your hand into a fire to know it’s a bad idea. Just read a little and observe the others who have experienced the pain themselves. Of course, some others really do get burnt and they learn the hard way, but the lesson learnt is still the same.
P.S: You would do well to cut back on your shaming language (eg. ‘you’ve been hurt’, ‘you’re jaded’, ‘you’re bitter’, ‘you hate women’ etc). I am immune, so save your efforts.
The Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/
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“Could you do me a favor and hold my drink for me while I call my friend?”
Hey, how about I hold your friend while you go get me a drink.
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that video is disgusting, if anything, the “man cell” is what has been being killed off
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It’s natural for men to want to help women because it’s programmed into us, either by society or biology or both.
It’s also natural for us to wet our pants but we learn how not to do that. We can also learn how not to be needlessly chivalrous and look like chumps.
And I think greatbooksformen is hilarious and makes some great points.
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The women who use it are trying to form friendships with single men, because being close friends with a guy who is in an LTR or married is “weird” or is threatening to his girlfriend/wife.
There is no such thing as a friendship with a woman. Harry in “When Harry Met Sally” is right, men and women can’t be friends.
There are only a few reasons why a man could possibly consider a woman as a ‘friend’:
1. He’s a fag who needs a hag
2. He wants to sex her, but she has placed him in her retinue of beta male followers ready to hold her drink, pick up her handbag, do her homework, baby sit her bastard child and so on.
3. She wants to sex him, but she doesn’t meet his minimum attractiveness threshold and like a bad smell she hasn’t taken the hints and won’t go away.
Guys, never think you can be friends with a woman. If you see yourself falling into ‘2’, be a man about it; admit you made a mistake and disengage swiftly from the retinue of betas. And don’t ever make that same mistake again.
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There are only a few reasons why a man could possibly consider a woman as a ‘friend’:
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4. Having a cute girl as a wing helps him get his dick wet with other women.
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@ Ella
This misandry here in this post is quite remarkable, even if predictable. What is missed here is any sort of understanding and acceptance of the nature of male sexuality. It’s not shameful that guys are more focused on sex than women are—it’s entirely natural due to the hormonal differences between the sexes.
And the great guys who “[you] wish [you] could have been friends with” aren’t any less wonderful because they wanted more from you. Their sexual desire is part of what makes them men—men who were on the wrong end of unrequited attraction. When they decided not to be “friends” with you after you made it clear you weren’t interested in a sexual relationship it’s not because they weren’t “great guys” or were shallow. They disappeared because they didn’t want to be enslaved in an asymmetrical relationship where they essentially bestowed upon you, through their friendship, the emotional and psychological benefits of a boyfriend while you simulataneously denied them what men value most in a girlfriend: sexual intimacy.
You don’t have to worry that you’re leading guys on by smiling at them. Most guys have actually been led on by women, and they know the difference.
Attraction is value-based in both sexes—but men and women value different things in each other. What men naturally and instinctively want from you is different than what women naturally and instinctively want from men. Following those desires isn’t shallow or wrong—it just is.
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For the broads who are sincerely inquiring:
When a man first kills his inner “nice guy”, he will swing over to “hard core asshole”. It is the first step. For, if he willingly goes back to “nice guy” EVEN FOR A MOMENT, he will usually revert to those characteristics full bore. He knows from past experience that those characteristics do not get him laid. So, he avoids even the hint of nice guy.
I’m quite positive that the “woman haters” around here will settle down a bit, once they have definitively stomped the living shit out of their inner “nice guy”. That’s how it works.
Ella said “Are guys incapable of having meaningful relationships with women that they don’t have sex with?”. Let me reframe this for you from a man’s perspective.
Ella, are women incapable of having sex with men that they don’t want to have a meaningful relationship with?
Both answers are: “For the smart person, no. But what’s in it for him/her”
Now iron my shirt, bitch.
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There is a fine line between asshole game and beta-anger piling on. There is also a difference between a well-meaning young girl who lives in a blissfully oblivious fluffy reality and an angry feminist.
On wanting a guy to be your friend… it’s sort of like me being ostentatiously nice or charmingly rougish to a fat chick not because I want her, but because a good looking girl nearby is paying attention. While in both cases it’s done without malice, it’s nevertheless using and insulting another person.
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Dragnet,
Great post. Many beautiful women with class are very cognizant of the nature of men and their attractiveness, and have refined skills that appropriately stroke the man’s ego while staying within clear boundaries that never need be said. These women have developed the gentle ability to parry a man’s advances while at the same time making him feel better about himself and happy to talk to her. Ella is probably young and has yet to develop these skills.
Does this ladylike behavior make me want to bang them any less? Absolutely not. Actually the opposite. These relationships can never become “deep” bff relationships, but they often consist of fun two-way teasing that makes light of the natural fact that the man is attracted to the beautiful girl without it ever having to be said. It can be a great distraction in the midst of an otherwise dreary day.
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dragnet: “Attraction is value-based in both sexes—but men and women value different things in each other. What men naturally and instinctively want from you is different than what women naturally and instinctively want from men. Following those desires isn’t shallow or wrong—it just is.”
Women just want the next bigger cock that’s make ’em CUUUM and not feel bad about screwing over the last guy to get it! Men just want someone who they’re sure their baby is really theirs (and wants to have sex with them).
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“Coming on this site with your obviously rational, sensible well-balanced thoughts about healthy non-exploitative adult sexual relationships is a bit like walking into the Acute wing of Victorian Bedlam and trying to set up a glee club. ”
Non-exploitative? Her boyfriend pays for everything, she says.
Oh yeah — it’s ok to exploit people if they don’t mind…right?
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ella,
i have no problem with having female friends. it’s not a good idea to try to be friends with a woman to whom you are actively attracted, but a man who’s libidinous urges are being fully satisfied is perfectly capable of maintaining non-sexual friendships with women. if you’re having trouble with guys it’s probably because you’re dealing with guys who do not have many other prospects.
the other problem is that many women (no, not all, but many) have a warped definition of friendship. all too often when a woman says “let’s just be friends” what she really means is “i want you to be my non-sexual male companion who keeps me company, flatters me and keeps me from feeling like a lonely spinster until i can find someone who i am attracted to, at which time i will spend all my time with him and forget about you.”
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“i have no problem with having female friends.”
Umm, notice what she said: “meaningful” friendships. What do you think that’s code for?
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TheDarkLord, with regard to options 2 and 3 for male/female relationships.
If contact is initiated and/or continued by a man, does that automatically make it a Scenario #2, even if you are both in a relationship/marriage?
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Sir Chancelot–
Good insight.
Though when you have fully made the transition form “beta in alpha training” to alpha, instead of saying:
You’ll say:
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Men and women who would find each other attractive if single can definitely be “just friends” if *both* are in secure relationships.
If one is unattached or weakly attached then friendship is still possible but requires lots of strength of character.
If both are unattached or weakly attached, a strong friendship will naturally lead to physical intimacy: “just friends” is not possible unless one of them is not attracted to the other sexually. The really bad situation is when the man is attracted and the woman isn’t but still wants to be friends. That is not sustainable and usually ends badly.
The other way around, where the woman is attracted and the man isn’t, is much rarer because if the man actually enjoys the woman’s company and she is at least average looking and wants sex, and he is unattached, she will start to look good to him…that’s where you get FWBs which is not “just friends” even though no LTR may be in the cards.
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jr–
It’s fine so long as you’ve got other girl(s) satisfying you and in the fire, and you’ve got extraneous reasons to sometimes spend some time together. Such as you’re co-workers or classmates.
Then it’s best done in a flirting way. If so that can be converted at a later date to shagging.
If the attraction is and remains one way from you to her though, and especially if it’s real strong / she’s hotter than what else you’ve got, then yeah, best avoid.
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Polymath
It works just fine when it’s the female that is unattached or weakly attached, from this male’s point of view and experience.
She may be climbing up the walls but she’ll be fun as hell to flirt with, and take things someplace, limited. Well depends on the nature of your own attachment and the deal you’ve got there.
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White Woman–
That guy: Don’t get married in America with it’s divorce 2.0. (Or in Britain either.)
Live together instead, or at the very least first. If you want kids imminently, still don’t get married without a prenup that mimics living together.
Marriage in America has been changed by feminists into an entirely one way contract.
Ask yourself exactly what an American woman ENFORCEABLY commits to when she marries today. Not even sex with her husband. That’s marital rape now. Now ask yourself what a man enforceably commits to when he marries in America. See divorce theft. See my article on prenups.
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Tupac,
I don’t know what Pupu has to do with math, but my point was not specific to that subject. This is “expert game” — if you show that you have mastered her favorite subject, it’s automatic qualification. This is why professors pull grad students even more than undergrads — because the grad students in the subject can truly appreciate his excellence and it’s in something they care about.
If you are unquestionably better than a girl at what she herself does best, and have no serious deficiencies, your path with her is cleared.
Chess grandmasters don’t have an advantage with women in general just from being GMs (unless they are world champion or challenging for it, because anyone can understand that) but they score very heavily with chess chicks. The women who are top chessmasters themselves don’t find a man of comparable playing strength anything special but they still swoon over the world-class GMs (and many say explicitly they’d never date a man whose rating was lower than theirs).
An old GF of mine was obsessed with Bobby Fischer and was one of the few people Bobby would talk to — she would have dumped her husband (who was a chess expert just like she was) and kids in a microsecond for Bobby, and her other crush was the US Champion who could also have had her for the asking (she was a solid 8, would have been a solid 9 had she gotten her nose fixed; she was in no way a slut, was a virgin when she got married). At the time I was dating her she had just been dumped by a GM who was trying to get her back on a FB basis, and I had the immense satisfaction of telling my GF and my sister that the guy had been hitting on both of them at the same tournament — he never knew why they both suddenly went cold to him.
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Some of these comments… wow, just wow. This place is so hate-filled, except for a few exceptions, which seem to be women.
It makes me even more grateful to have such a nice boyfriend.
Some men do believe in love and equality. I do want to marry him, and he’s said a lot of stuff about us having a future together, so I think there is a good chance. We have only been together for 6 months though.
By the way, I will not live with him without being married. Why would I do that?
And one more thing, I am financially independent and don’t need his $. I would gladly sign a pre-nup. Money is not an issue for us since we are on equal footing.
The best thing about being married is getting to have sex everyday, if you ask me 🙂
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I’m going to pretend my Y chromosome went for a coffee break and offer up an anecdote.
One of my close friends is female, she is attractive and I’m pretty sure she finds me attractive too. We’ve never done anything beyond slapping each other on the ass. I make it work by having game. Even after getting herself into an LTR, she still spends a lot of time hanging out with me. She knows all about my philandering and makes an excellent wing woman too.
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@ Kerstin
The issue isn’t about whether or not you need his money—the law doesn’t care about that. The issue is this: what are your obligations to him in marriage, backed by the threat of force from the state? If he puts a ring on your finger, you are thereby entitled to a substantial portion of his earnings, assets, retirement plan and future earnings and this entitlement is backed by the threat of state violence, whether or not you actually need his cash. However, there is no analagous entitlement for men. This perforce creates an asymmetrical situation that puts men at a striking disadvantage when marrying. Your husband shouldn’t have to just be dependent on your goodwill while you can depend on the enforcement of state courts.
And yes, you have plenty of goodwll now…but marriage changes people, and it changes people in very, very unexpected ways. Over time, we move and shake institutions in which are participants—but these institutions mold us as well. Women are legally protected from changes over time from their men…but men have no such protection. That is the rub.
@ Doug1
I just have to say—I’ve really learned a lot reading your posts on Marriage 2.0, and the divorce/family court/alimony racket. Seriously dude, you’re doing a public service—and young guys like me need to hear this shit before we take the plunge.
Now if you—and like, half the other commenters—could only ease off the hostility toward black people…
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Kerstin–
Why wouldn’t you live together if you love him? As a tryout of living together before taking the final marriage step.
The majority of marriages today began by living together.
Since as you say you’re financially independent and would be interested in marriage to have a financial hold on him. But rather because:
That works while living together too you know.
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Kerstin,
I have been with my husband since I was 15 years old. He has gamed me from day one and I love that I have found this blog because it has allowed me to consciously appreciate his skills and therefore make him even more attractive to me. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
It’s also so refreshing to hear men talking openly about being anti-feminist.
It isn’t hate towards women it is a reaction to our feminised society, which if you are honest with yourself – isn’t working out that well for any of us.
I hate to hear men apologising for being men about as much as I hate to listen to women who believe they are superior or are owed something simply because of their gender.
Celebrate men for not being women.
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dragnet–
You may be and probably are reading some other current commenters right (and definitely some past ones) but you’re not reading me right on that. I’m simply a race realist and not hostile towards blacks.
I am hostile to leftists steeped in cultural Marxism that blame white “structual racism” for all black group performance lagging. Some of those leftist leaders are blacks yes, but it’s white ones who have brought along other whites enough to turn our schools from primarily emphasing excellence with tracking etc. to primarily emphasizing “leave no child behind”. Yeah that was Bush but he was catering to that “progressive” meme of “you have to as a leader be proactive for blacks in lefty approved ways to not be vilified as a racist”.
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Sally Cinnamon–
You sound a lovely woman.
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Dragnet–
Thanks.
And hey, spread the word. Not just here.
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“The best thing about being married is getting to have sex everyday, if you ask me”
ridiculous troll
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Sally Cinnamon:
wow that is a nice inspiring story. I guess my man uses ‘game’ too, i just never thought of it like that. I think it is more of an innate thing for him though.
I agree feminism is very bad for society. I was reading some men even choose foreign wives because of what feminism has done. That is really sad. there are still a lot of good women left here. It’s really so easy: just don’t challenge him too much,let him have the last word, the decision-making power. Men like to feel that they are in charge. Even if you are convinced he is wrong I just let it go because honestly it’s ultimately not that important. Women that are loud-mouthed and annoying turn off guys, this is obvious so I wonder why more of them don’t pick up on this and tone it down a bit?
Doug1:
If he wants to see me everyday he will have to marry me. If he wants a family (which he does) I am not raising children out of wedlock. He agrees on this.
Living together gives a man all the benefits of marriage with no commitment. Why would any woman with half a brain consent to that?
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Sally Cinnamon,
“I have been with my husband since I was 15 years old.”
And I thought I was the only one. (17, though, not 15). Thanks to feminist-inspired culture, though, that’s not always an easy thing to do. I’ve found females who view that as weird, backward, odd etc. Although, yeah, I don’t appreciate, aging, divorced single moms gape at me like I’m some sort of sexual outlier. Fortunately, it never really bothered me, and just assumed it stemmed from a place of regret over number count, being dumped one too many times, etc.
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Kirsten–
What commitment does a woman enforeably make to a man in marriage?
If they have kids together a man when he gets married under feminist child support=also alimony if he’s a strong earner in a high tax (e.g.coastal) state is commiting to pay more than half of his after tax income to her anytime she feels like kicking him out of what will then be her house. Even if she earns more than he does. Fact. Everyone here knows I know what I’m talking about her and yes I’m a lawyer.
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Kirsten
I can understand that. With a prenup that mimics living together if there’s a divorce.
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@ Doug1
Dude, she not going to answer the question—I’ve been asking it.
Women can’t answer this question honestly—doing that will pull the wool from off of mens’ eyes.
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Under today’s law there are no commitments a woman enforceably has to make. That’s obvious. It’s due to feminism. What its done is ruined marriage for both men and women.
That doesn’t mean my desire to get married should be diminished or bashed on this website just because the whole structure has gotten so screwed up. How is that my fault? All its done is made everyones lives more difficult because men are now so commitment phobic.
If you want kids and want to give them the best possible future you definately have to be married.
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@ Kerstin
No one is bashing your desire to get married. No one on this site would ever bash a woman’s desire to marry—after all, it’s a smart move for a woman, a totally foolproof investment plan. I absolutely encourage my two sisters to get married. To not do so is irresponsible. What we are doing is discouraging men from getting married, because it’s a raw deal for men. I tell my younger brothers all the time not to even bother with marriage, even as I make it clear that it’s a great move for their sisters.
No here is mad at you for doing what’s in your best interest. It’s that what’s in your best interest is generally disastrous for men.
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…men are now so commitment phobic.
Men are not afraid of the commitment. It is the Marriage Contract and its enforcers’ prisons that they are afraid of.
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@Dave
You are standing at the back of an elevator, but on the side where the buttons are. A woman with free hands enters the elevator, stands on the other side away from where the buttons are, and asks you to press the button for her desired floor.
“Right away, Miss Daisy!”
With your best smirk/shit eating grin.
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I don’ see it as an INVESTMENT: i don’t need anyone’s $. I am self-sufficient. I know material things don’t bring happiness. I don’t need fancy things. it’s for love and for having children.
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Ella said:
Well, see, Ella, here is what you have to do. And you won’t do it.
If you want a single guy to “just be friends”, then you must avoid using him as an ATM machine. A favor Machine. Someone who can buy your food. I know, I know, that’s MEAN isn’t it?
You WANT to demand more than you could ever demand of a “girl friend”, but on the other hand, you don’t want to pay up. That guys being sexually manipulated by you into buying you things expect something in return is so SELFISH of them, isn’t it? I mean, they are your FRIEND, right? Sure you do the flirty-flirty on them, but that’s what FRIENDS do, right? Of course, even that MAY BE okay, PROVIDED YOU DON’T TAKE GIFTS FROM THEM.
I’ve successfully had “only” friends relationships with girls… because I don’t let myself be used as an ATM machine. At all. In three cases, this sadly resulted in THE GIRL becoming interested. One of them became way aggressive and I have to pretend to be “interested-but-to-embarrassed-to-continue” in order to calm her down without an explosion. Which is so not me, but people see what they want to, or what they expect.
In any case, is Pretty Girl willing to set aside her Pretty Girl Flirty-Flirty advantages and NOT sexually tease frustrated single male “friends” to her advantage?
Well?
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Kerstin–
Those are completely valid motivations Kerstin. For my part, I believe you as of now.
However, you should understand that much more has to be involved from your boyfriends side in making the commitment. That is if he understands the truth about what marriage does today in enabling you anytime you might feel like it for any reason, reasonable or entirely selfish as you change and the relationship grows less ardent w/time, and new romance seems perhaps alluring.
No matter what he faces loss of his home and his children and child support 2.0=also alimony at VERY high levels, no matter how much money you have and make. You could not seek it and you could truly share custody with him as much as he wants, but those will be entirely your choices and not his once he’s in marriage 2.0.
That’s why its one HELL of a lot more of a commitment for a man today than a woman, no matter how financially independent she is. (She can protect that part w/a prenup – we can’t do anything about custody or child support 2.0 w/a prenup. yes I know exactly what I’m talking about.
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@ Kerstin
I understand that—and what’s more, I totally believe you. But you’re still missing the point. By making an man’s obligations to his woman enforceable by law, this effectively shields a woman from changes in the marriage over time…but doesn’t do the same for men.
Sure, it’s not about money for you…right now. But who can say how the future will change and mold us?? Many men have married women who cared nothing for material wealth…and were absolutely stunned by the viciousness with which they were dealt upon the dissolution of their marital union. Their wives had evolved over time in ways that they could not have anticipated—because the future is so difficult to predict, as are its impact on people, even the ones we love. Sure, you could make the argument that those husbands should have chosen more wisely—but it still remains the case that the law penalizes men for choosing their wives foolishy, while offering no such penalty to women.
And the law doesn’t discriminate based on your need for his resources. You will still be awarded a substantial share of his resources, even if you have no need for them. The only relevant fact is that he has a Y chromosome, and you do not.
For the record, if everything you say is true about yourself, then it sounds like you’re a good catch. But law acts in such a way that protects you from deleterious changes in character of your husband in the future…but it doesn’t do this for him. This is just wrong, and I believe that it renders marriage too great a risk for a man.
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Kerstin,
If you do get married NEVER belittle or complain about your husband to your girlfriends or let anyone talk shit about him to you.
Understand that you have taken a vow that makes him your primary obligation and the person you put above all others.
Let no one undermine him.
This isn’t about being submissive, it is about respecting the institution and good men tend will do it naturally and unapologetically.
Women, we need to relearn this. Feminism has attempted to brainwash us into believing that men are the enemy and it is our job to win at all costs.
We are the ones who have lost the most.
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dragnet–
That isn’t true with respect to division of assets or alimony that’s labeled as such or labeled spousal support.
But it’s entirely true about child support 2.0=also alimony, which will be huge regardless.
Also he’ll have to move out of the house even though it’s her refusal to stop her romance with another man, work on the marriage, and resume having sex with her husband that lead her to file for divorce. Or him finally in dispair to do so.
That IS the truth.
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Anony – hell yeah!
Single moms/divorced women if they are man-haters, are toxic. Which is why I said what I did to Kerstin above.
Happily married women and those who genuinely love men are a huge threat to The Sisterhood and so they must find something wrong with us because the alternative is that there is something wrong with them.
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Doug,
I read your comments in the other post. I agree with you. I’ve read up on the destructive nature of feminism from various sources for about a year now. No one told me about this stuff really, except my mom did fairly recently. She is also anti-feminist. however she does have a good career and she and my dad pushed me to excel academically/careerwise which i did but it does not bring me the fulfillment that taking care of my boyfriend does. They had good intentions by wanting me to be self sufficient.
I’ve talked to my boyfriend about how feminism is destructive to some extent and he agrees. he said he notices many of the things you wrote in that post. he said boys dont grow up with male role models anymore.
i understand why many guys here are hostile. however they should not take it out on me PERSONALLY., i actually agree with you guys on the fundamental matters. I think this “game” stuff is a result of feminism because women now have more power in the dating market, choosing so called alphas and now the so called betas feel the need to self-improve so they have chance.
I just think however, that cruising bars looking for women to lay is cheap and sleazy. the women that participate are exactly as sleazy as the guys. women that do this are enemies to my gender: they cheapen sex by giving it away without a commitment. i harbor more hatred towards these women than i ever would at any guy on this board or elsewhere saying cruel, disrespectful things to me. because they have ruined it for everyone else.
after reading around on this board here is my take on the situation- it is a self perpetuating cycle: women act bitchy and entitled towards men (by the way why do you think i act entitled?) because they are sick of being used for sex and “gamed”. the so called “pump and dump” — god reading that phrase turned my stomach. so men treat women like crap and use them because they are sick of being treated like crap. very simple cycle that’s just getting worse and worse.
back in the 50s when gender roles were better defined women weren’t slutting it up in bars so men HAD to act like a gentleman in order to get a girl: hence the traditional gender roles and the whole dating ritual. there is something to be said for that. now these things have been obliterated and it’s anything goes. luckily there are a few good men still out there like my boyfriend. after reading all this stuff i feel even more grateful. people at my job were talking about that book The Game and a co-worker of mine mentioned this website calling it “literary” which i actually find kind of hilarious.
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Sally Cinnamon:
yes i would never belittle him nor would I let anyone else do so. So far no one has. I agree if you make him #1 then it harmonizes the relationship. At this point though( 6 months) i don’t want him to think I am a doormat so i am careful to not show those tendencies TOO much. Men like challenges and like the chase: so there is a very fine line women have to tread I feel, and it’s very difficult emotionally for me because i would like to share those feelings more but am afraid to. I just try to show it by my actions.
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Kerstin,
I think that the hostility you feel on this site is because
everybody on the site WISHES they would have the chance to
have their own personal “Kerstin”.
But, guess what?? “It’s not happin , dude!!”
what you don’t understand, what you can’t understand and never will be ABLE to understand isTHE AMOUNT OF PAIN WE FEEL knowing that we’ll never have the “kerstin” of our dreams and so we do the next best thing which is GAME
There, that should settle your hash in terms of “not understanding” the femcentric hostility on this site!!
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Kerstin, ” All its done is made everyones lives more difficult because men are now so commitment phobic.”
LOL…
Aheem… excuse me, commitment phobic? Lol!
I’m sure you don’t know about statistics but that’s ok I’m sure all you do is watch the boob tube to get your information.
Here’s one for you, guess who initiates 75% of divorces in America? the ladies!
So again, who are the one’s that have problems with commitment!
LOLOLOLOL!!!!
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Kersin–
You sound a lot like my living together (northern Italian) girlfriend.
You sound like a good girl, and a good girl to have a LTR with or marriage w/prenup and children with.
CH btw counsels that guys only have long term relationships w/girls like you. Sluts are for flings or pump and dumps.
Yes agreed. Well there were always some sluts but way less, and they generally knew their chances of getting a respectable high earning guy to marry them were low, which is a lot of why there were way less. Usually these were lower class or the much rarer then broken homes or abused etc. girls. But there were also some like that on the very rich top w/permissive or absentee parents who were also made rather immune to the ill effects of their behavior. But for the most part yes.
What happened then was much more of a pairing all along the line from high school and certainly college one, one by one, with each gender getting their same level of hotness (with different things most valued) rather than a few alpha males getting all the half way good looking on up sluts.
However because this was LTR relationship pairing, not “what the hell if it doesn’t work out semi casual slutting, girls looked for a different mix of things as being most desirable in a mate than when they’re just looking for fun. So what was most husband alpha included his steadily rising success prospects, his loyalty and his presentability, not just his sexy thillingness.
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Loving someone doesn’t make you a doormat and to be honest if you think your man will treat you like one then you are with the wrong man.
Marriage is a constant challenge for both of you.
The whole point of game (or so I think I have gathered here) is that men acting like gentleman 100% of the time doesn’t actually make women happy.
Yes we want to be treated well and with respect, but every single one of us needs to earn that respect by being decent human beings.
Women are (sweeping generalisation alert) emotional basket cases and if men cater to our every whim we will stop finding them attractive.
Being a gentleman is good, being a man who doesn’t put up with our nonsense is better (and for any terminally stupid people, this is not a green light for abuse).
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Dragnet
Well said, and good comment altogether.
This is a point I’ve been trying to raise a few times myself. While it’s true some people stay monogamously and happily married until death, it’s clear that we are fabulously fallible at predicting romantic outcomes.
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Kerstin–
Well he is an extremely good and talented writer.
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Oh, and that that nice sweet wife could turn into such an evil monster at divorce is simply inconceivable to most men who have not gone through it. Impossible to imagine.
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PS. The language used about women on this site is tame compared to the way women speak about men (the most venomous of which is usually directed at the men women claim to love).
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xsplat, dragnet–
That’s just what happened to me a long while ago. We had no kids so it could have been way worse. Also she got no alimony. But half in our equitable distribution state of my money for contributing way less in even non economic terms to the union than I demonstrably did was, well, feminism.
Actually she wasn’t that bad until she got in the hands of a divorce lawyer. And no doubt female friends/advisers once the process was underway.
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Terry:
It can happen though; my boyfriend was single for a long time before he met me. He never gave me a lot of detail but i think he had a lot disappointments. He said he used the power of positive thinking ( I didnt quite understand it) — something along the lines of if you believe positive things will come into your life, then they will.
Actually the same thing happened to my sister’s finance, he told her he had to date a hundred women, and approach a hundred more to finally meet her the girl of his dreams.
And I do feel your pain because i was also single for a long time, being dumped by guys because I would not sleep with them on the 3rd date or whatever. How do you think that made me feel? My boyfriend and I dated for two months before sleeping together. that way i knew he was serious about wanting to get to know me and wanted more than just sex.
After reading all this, and reading what you just said, it makes me kind of sad. My only advice, if i am even in any position to give it, would be to not use “game” as a way to get laid but as a way to find a partner that deserves you; a long term relationship. i think when people view dating as a game of chess with various little power play moves to see who is going to come out on top, then a lot is lost.
it probably has a lot to do with where a guy trying to meet women. if you only go to bars and nightclubs, well it’s kind of obvious what you are going to find there. Maybe try approching women in neutral locations during the day? join an athletic team or something? take an art class? I know for fact that a lot of women are looking to meet a nice guy, not a cocky, gaming jerk.
To be honest if i met a guy and he used these “game” tactics, like being a cocky jerk and never offering to help with anything, then i would probably not want to see him again. contrary to what you may believe women do NOT like assholes (at least I dont).
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yes kerstin
women dont like assholes
thats why they are ALWAYS complaining about the “jerks” they are fucking to the guys who are “too nice” they are just friends with
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Sally Cinamon–
You’re great. Yuup. That’s it.
Yuuupers.
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Kerstin, tell yourself whatever you need to in order to justify who you have settled for.
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@ xsplat
I’m only 26 so it hasn’t happened to me directly—but I saw it happen twice in families of friends when I was younger. The stories my friends told me **shudder** Back then I just thought the moms had gone crazy.
But now I know what’s up.
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Sally:
He wouldn’t ever treat me like a doormat I don’t think but perhaps you know what I mean when I say that if I just doted on him hand and foot he would probably find it annoying. He is the kind of person who needs to have his alone time. I have to let things take their natural course and be patient.
I can be very emotional but I know men find this crazy and hard to deal with so I try not to let him see it. I will just ride it out or call my sister or friend to talk about it and it always turns out to be nothing wrong at all. I think I read somewhere that men assume most of the time everything is just fine, even if you go for a day without communicating.
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Sally: I don’t understand your last comment?
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Sally, you sound like the kind of woman a man could have a happy life or period of life with.
I hope you are really a female, and hope even more that you are a bit hot, as it would give hope to a man who by now thinks you can’t exist.
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Not that I want you, specifically, to be hot, Sally, but that it would be nice to see a male level of introspection that you display in a feminine and attractive body. Not to be disrespectful to your sex, but the painful truth is that the level of self knowledge you display is exceedingly rare.
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Kerstin–
Women tell themselves that, and genuinely believe it, much more than it’s actually true.
What women really tend to want is a non player (loyal) cocky guy who can gets skads of hot women, but only wants her, and who’s really good at playfully teasing her and giving her emotional thrills.
However a whole hell of a lot of these girls are lying to you and often to themselves about how often in the meantime, while they’re looking for that combo guy, they’ve been seduced by a cocky guy with an asshole teasing edge to him, who gave her emotional thrills, and then broke her heart, when he turned out to be a player and dumped her. Or he player dumped her before her heart had time to get fully broken.
That’s how it really goes. Alpha guys are in a far better position to know the truth on this than good girls, however hot are. Well actually the hottest good girls will tend to know the least. Cause they’ll be able to be highly selective about their alphas and only sleep with a few loyal ones (else they wouldn’t qualify as good girls).
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Dragnet, as I appear to be in a maudlin mood of handing out compliments, I may as well hand one over to you too. It’s another rare talent to be able to learn from other peoples mistakes.
I don’t claim to have that one – I’m a first person learner.
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dana,
great sum-up comment there.
Kerstin,
As H might say, Game is a tool that can be used for good or evil. Even men with the best of intentions need to understand how women tick, in order to get past the minefield of shit tests that most women unconsciously throw at them. Our society has encouraged bad behavior by women to the point where men following the old rules will very often end up lonely (if they’re lucky) or cleaned out (if they’re unlucky). If most women were like you this website would not be so valuable, but unfortunately they are not; furthermore, the “most women were like you” there refers to your sweet and loyal nature, not your understanding of the true dynamics of male-female relationships in the USA today. Our society’s encouragement of bad behavior by women is so pervasive and so rarely explained and understood that most women absorb their bad attitudes completely unconsciously.
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@Sally Cinnamon
“Women are (sweeping generalisation alert) emotional basket cases and if men cater to our every whim we will stop finding them attractive.”
I think that’s a pretty accurate statement. Besides not finding it attractive it would be impossible for you to make her happy. Not being sensitive to her moods or issues is the best strategy. She needs to learn to deal with it on her own.
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Actually, anonymous, I’ve found that a woman will gladly stink up your house with a sulk if you simply ignore her. There are times when you have to immediately escalate and tell her to knock it the fuck off.
Moodyness is a bad habit that must be nipped in the bud. And every time it crops up, weed mercilessly.
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xsplat – I am a female, I promise.
Sadly I am now 36, so WAY past my prime.
Aging is bearable though because I have looked after myself and my man still wants me (and other women still want him).
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And as for a specific example as for how to get women to stop throwing a mood, what I do is tell them that I will immediately kick them out to go visit family for a few days.
And I mean it.
Now, some people may find that too stern. I tell you that such stern no nonsense take no shit authoritarian running of household leads to peace and comfort and ease, plus a great deal of devotion.
A women, counterintuitively, will take you much more seriously if you DON”T treat her like a queen. She’ll think you are serious about her if you care enough to be stern. The love you MORE for this. It can get ridiculous how well a woman will treat you, simply for being selfish.
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Kerstin,
thanks for the reply.
And thanks for the reminder that the current dystopia we live in at present affects women as well as men.
And by “affects”, i mean the THE HELL BOUND DOGS WHO RUN THIS HELL ON EARTH INTEND TO SMASH YOUR LIFE AS WELL AS OURS.
Except, as the boys on this board so aptly put it, the apparent DESTRUCTION and RUINATION of our lives is so much more “obvious”.
The effects on women are very much more subtle but, in my view, just as bad or maybe WORSE!!
I think you’re a younger person while i myself am an “Older dude”.
And as an older dude here’s my advice to you and the boyfriend-
UNDERSTAND THAT THE DOGS WHO RUN THE SHOW HERE ARE BENT ON DESTROYING YOUR LOVE FOR HIM AND HIS FOR YOU!!
That’s why you always have to be VIGILANT.
If you don’t learn anything else from this board and similar boards, learn this:
THE EVENTS AND EXPERIENCES DESCRIBED BY THE MEN ON THIS BOARD AND SIMILARS ARE NOT AN ACCIDENT. THEY’VE BEEN PLANNED AT LEAST ON A MACRO AND PERHAPS EVEN ON A MICRO BASIS.
BTW, I wish you and the boyfriend all the best in the years ahead, but if you want that wish to come true
STAY UP AND STAY ALERT!!!!
TERRY
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@ xsplat
I really can’t take credit for this—the props has to go to the family that raised me. I was brought up with strong male role models…my dad and my paternal grandfather were clear masters of their house and their women respected them. My paternal grandmother was a bit of a handful, but nothing my grandad couldn’t manage with ease. And none of them had any truck with feminism—my dad was openly hostile. I saw examples of LTR Game when I was young, and then watched older cousins natural game when I was finally old enough to be interested in girls. There was very little chance of me becoming a mangina or a pedastalizer—my family saw to that. 90 percent of men my age have no idea what its like coming up in that kind of household, so no wonder they don’t know shit about women or themselves. I don’t blame them, but it still sucks to be them.
Even with that upbringing, feminism STILL had some impact on me—I went to public school. That’s where sites like this and men’s sites have proven useful. Without the internet, I’d prolly be more alpha than most guys, but still way, way more beta than I should be. Anyways, I’ve told my brothers about these sites and they’ve told their friends. Maybe my generation will the be guys who finally take this shit back. Really all it takes is a few guys who won’t just bend over and take it anymore.
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Terry and Kerstin
Troll Love
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Vincent,
care to elaborate??
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Vincent,
I’m waitin’!!
what else ya got , dude??
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Hi Terry,
thanks for your reply. I think i know what you are talking about. I’ve been reading up on this stuff for awhile. It’s hard to know where to draw the line between fact and total conspiracy theory though. But I believe that there is a shadow world government controlling a lot of things, including social movements like feminism and open immigration. This breaks down the family, homogenizes the population and turns people into stupid drones, which are obviously easier to control and steal their hard earned money. why do you think they poison the food and water? it all fits together. world bank, bilderberg, trilateral commission, european union north american union, the neocon war machine, taking away americans civil liberties – destroy cohesive cultures and families to make a population of slaves.
I just found out about this stuff fairly recently and it really shook me up reading about all this insanity. changed my whole world view and i couldn’t sleep for weeks.
Which is why I want to have as many kids as I can, i will try to home-school them, if that means i have to abandon my career then so be it.
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Kerstin, if you are for real (I am afraid you may have just jumped the shark) you sound like a recent convert on an evangelical mission.
Step away from the abyss.
Home-schooled children and the Duggar’s are weird.
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polymath: my boyfriend followed the “old” rules. our dates could have been out of the 50s 🙂 i realize this is an exception to the rule though. now i am wondering, does he use “relationship game”on me? probably. not sure if he realizes it though. but i don’t mind if it’s for the greater good of the relationship.
about frustration,i think it’s working both ways, i am seeing here how a lot of men are getting fed up with the state of things. a lot of women are self entitled and oblivious but that’s cause they have been conditioned by the mainstream media for years to think that way. but eventually they are going to get fed up too when they see that dressing like a ho and going to a bar every weekend and having a one night stand, contrary to what they are told through the media, is NOT the path to a fulfilling life.
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Sally: obviously I don’t want THAT many kids. 3-4 is realistic. My career is one that is recession-proof and would work nicely with part time. However if i had to choose i would choose my family (obviously).
I’m not on any sort of mission. Note I didn’t bring up my personal views on these types of things until others did. I am simply agreeing with him and adding what I find relevant.
Everyone has to read what’s out there for himself to determine what they think is really going on. there is a lot of misinformation out there as well. it isn’t easy to decide what you think is legitimate. I’m agreeing that feminism and similar movements are purposely aimed at breaking down society. Why is it that if a woman states these views she’s insane but the guys on here can rant about it all they want?
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Kerstin–
Tell him to read athol kay’s site on marital (or relationship) game. Easy to google.
Then have him google site search this here at CH: “Relationship Game Week Dave from Hawaii”.
It would be somewhat better if you DIDN’T read them, just him. (Well you could look at Kay’s site a little, there’s a lot there.) Not for any nefarious reasons, it will just work for both yours benefit a bit more if you don’t. But it will still work if you do.
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Kerstin–
Not exactly.
It works by networks and networking among elites in different areas. Leftist Jewish networks are super influential and cross all sorts of media, university, industry and government lines, but they also intermesh with more numerous others in leftist coalitions on topics like effectively near open borders on immigration despite posturing. Wall St. and high end business leaders are network intermeshed as well esp. if liberals which it often pays to be, Jewish or not.
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Kerstin,
Thanks for the reply, I think you may be on to something. You sound like you’re really starting to REALLY understand what’s happening here in this dystopia.
And at such a young age, “I’m proud on ya , girl!!”
And as for you, Vinnie, “Hey, I love ya, man” haw haw haw
Kerstin, here is how i would SUMMERIZE all those things you were talking about in your reply, which all have merit and all, I believe are essentially true.
And this was, although not many people realize it, the point of Orwell’s “1984”.
Yes, their lives had been destroyed, but that wasn’t the REAL point. The REAL point and it also has everything to do with this blog as well, is this:
“WE, THE MASTERS OF THIS DYSTOPIA, INTEND TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SMASH AND DESTROY LOVE IN THIS PLACE, ESPECIALLY LOVE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. AND, AFTER THAT, THE LAST 4 WORDS OF ORWELL’S BOOK WILL BECOME TRUE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE. “”HE LOVED BIG BROTHER””””
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kerstin,
psst–lyndon larouche told me to tell you the jews and the freemasons are poisoning the wells!
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You don’t need a shadow government or malicious, calculated intentions to explain the modern world. Turning the population into pleasure-seeking un-rebellious sheep is a natural process of urbanisation: how else do you keep a large population under control?
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Kerstin – I am very glad you have thrown off the shackles of the left, but a word of caution – do not overcompensate now you have had your epiphany.
More advice (something my husband warns me never to give) two children while you are under 30 and you have a chance of escaping stretchmarks and saggy boobs, don’t push your luck too hard. Also 4 children, a part time career a happy marriage and the retention of your own self as a desirable person is a utopia that only a childless woman can imagine exists. You’ve been sold a lemon there.
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Sally Cinnamon Spice Rack,
“Home-schooled children and the Duggar’s are weird.”
I was with you for a while until that comment.
Kirsten, Ignore her. Not all homeschooled children are like the Duggars, although I happen to think they’re an adorable (well-run, cooperative) family.
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It is mostly the state that fears allowing the independent man to have masculine power, while women both love and fear it. That is why they are allies, in this discontented era of realism in which morality has no philosophical meaning.
Take a moment and think what the modern man would become in a generation, two generations, three generations… if all state systems dissolved.
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I’m gonna quote someone who makes a long comment on another blog (Obsidian’s, the commenter is a white guy) because it illustrates well how things here are the way they are because of feminism and feminist laws, not the nature of women which is unswayable by culture. He’s talking about Russia. I bolded what I consider to be the crucial bits. The commenter is Greenlander.
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@anon:
“Not being sensitive to her moods or issues is the best strategy. She needs to learn to deal with it on her own.”
That will be counterproductive. It’s a façade, and façades are present for the sake of showing off something. She will not ‘deal’ with it herself, because the entire point is to use it on you.
Males largely deal with their troubles themselves, the feminized specimens excluded.
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Sorry the link to the above quote is:
http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/how-the-goldman-sachs-debacle-informs-the-sexual-marketplace/#comment-11232
We should do away with all welfare and mandatory child support payments to women by unwilling men here as well. To be as non nanny state as Russia is in those areas.
I’m entirely serious.
Women would need to adopt a Russian women strategy of how to act, who to marry and at what female age to marry, and in sticking w/their husbands if he’s a good man — even if he does cheat once in a while. Or slap her a few times total in their marriage.
yes indeed.
America “the land of the free” indeed. You’ve got to be kidding me. Sure isn’t for men.
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Anony – any parent who believes that their children are such precious and fragile little vessels that they cannot withstand the bullshit that mainstream schooling will throw at them is doing their children a disservice.
They are not ours to brainwash, our responsibility is to teach them independence in practical life and independence of thought.
We can only prepare them to go it alone, we cannot protect them from every nutjob theory out there, exposure and balance is what I believe in.
Although I do draw the line at sex-ed. The schools need to stay the hell out of that.
I send my children to school and involve myself in the school as actively and as vocally as possible, change from within.
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So how to respond to the SBD shit test? I’ve found that edgy humor works well.
“Whoa, it’s usually a good idea to wait until the second date before asking a guy to be your personal assistant.”
I agree with you about the ever present shit testing but your suggested responses are always too damn “cute”.
[editor: they’ve worked for me on many kinds of girls. but perhaps if you’re trawling roadhouse bars for skank rednecks, then yeah, you might wanna tone down the wit. btw, if it’s a loud club and you’ve gotta speak in short bursts, then a more succinct “I didn’t know i was your personal assistant” works well.]
You aren’t a funny guy and nor are most men. Enough with the cutsie come backs.
[shit test comebacks aren’t meant to be funny. the emphasis should be on edgy. you’re not looking to amuse the girl, only put her on notice.]
The response to any shit testing “would you do me a favor” should be a simple direct eye contact – “No”. Or “I don’t do favors”.
[see: skank rednecks above.]
Simple, direct, emotion free, nothing cute, nothing bitter.
[bitterness is less in the words used than in the inflection given to the words. “no” and “i don’t do favors” could easily sound bitter.]
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Hi Kerstin,
I’ll join in on the unsolicited marital advice. My wife and I had an experience which I think makes a very good litmus test for those considering marriage. I posted this on another thread as well:
When our 4 (now 5) year old daughter met a kid whose parents were divorced, she was devastated. The kid told her that “sometimes mommys and daddys just stop loving each other”. For several weeks she was terrified that the same was going to happen to us. We finally found out what had happened. We told her that the kid was wrong, and his mommy was just a brat (she had divorced the original father and remarried). This stopped her apprehension. The world made sense again.
A good pre marriage test to ask your boyfriend is what he would tell kids about divorce. The anecdote above should provide an easy way to broach this. If he wants to avoid moral judgment when discussing divorce with any kids you might have, don’t walk, run. And of course, this would be an even better question for him to ask you as well for all of the reasons mentioned about “marriage 2.0” above.
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Sally,
Brainwashing has nothing to do with it, at least not for every homeschooling family. If I don’t think my tax dollars should support government-funded public “institutions,” then I’m not sending my child there. Otherwise, I’d be a hypocrite. (And, yes, I’m “well qualified” enough to homeschool.) This will be my last comment on the topic since here’s really not the place for it.
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@Sally Cinnamon
I fixed your statement for you:
any parent who believes that their children are such precious and fragile little vessels that they cannot withstand the bullshit that mainstream schooling will throw at them is doing PUAs a disservice.
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“any parent who believes that their children are such precious and fragile little vessels that they cannot withstand the bullshit that mainstream schooling will throw at them is doing PUAs a disservice.”
omg, thank you. haha.
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Anony – I revel in my hypocrisy, especially where my children are concerned.
I’ve done drugs and enjoyed them, I will be a huge fucking hypocrite about drug taking with my children.
I had sex at 15 years old and enjoyed that too, again I am going to be a huge fucking hypocrite about that activity too.
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Sally,
Your posts are pretty good.
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That anonymous post was me. Sorry.
Thanks Laura.
Dalrock – if they are planning on bearing 18 children and devoting their life to God’s will then I doubt they’ll be in danger of snagging an alpha.
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polymath:
Tupac,
I don’t know what Pupu has to do with math
Puppu Longstocking, despite her absolutely adorable girl-game, is a math nerd at heart.
I’m still waiting for her to perform a Fourier transform on the size of my cock.
Remember Pupu, I’m a “grow-er” not a “show-er”
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Kerstin:
Actually the same thing happened to my sister’s finance, he told her he had to date a hundred women, and approach a hundred more to finally meet her the girl of his dreams.
Nice! Great example of Game there. Consider it stolen.
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Pupu –
I am NOT a man-slut.
I just had to date a hundred women, and approach a hundred more before I found a jewel like you.
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You WANT to demand more than you could ever demand of a “girl friend”, but on the other hand, you don’t want to pay up. That guys being sexually manipulated by you into buying you things expect something in return is so SELFISH of them, isn’t it? I mean, they are your FRIEND, right? Sure you do the flirty-flirty on them, but that’s what FRIENDS do, right? Of course, even that MAY BE okay, PROVIDED YOU DON’T TAKE GIFTS FROM THEM.
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I do not use guys as a human ATM machine I never have. I have never been on a date where a guy paid let alone allowed a guy to pay for me when we went out. That’s because I don’t want to feel as if I owe him anything, or feel obligated to him. I don’t want to set up the expectation that he’s provided for him and thus I can’t make a decision not to have sex with him without feeling guilty. The only time a guy has ever paid for me was when I had accidentally overdrawn to pay for text books and we were going out to lunch. I paid him back.
As for the Flirty-Flirty. If I like someone, boy or girl I get physical. I touch, I smile. It’s just my personality, that is how I express affection to boys or girls. My natural personality is very warm to both guys and girls, even though I’m not bisexual. However, I tone it down around guys, because I’ve found if I act the same way around guys they expect that I will sleep with them. But I really dislike doing this because it doesn’t feel genuine, and I find myself always worrying if they think I like them when I don’t.
As for using the pretty girl thing. Honestly I’m not that pretty. I’ve never been the hot girl, or anything. Mostly it’s the fact that I’m “cute”, female, and have a decent body. Guys get desperate. And what’s worse is that these are some guys that I’ve had great intellectual connections with, but the physical on my side just wasn’t there. What’s worse is often times I’m not their first choice. I’m not the one they really want or are super attracted to. Yet they still manage to develop enough of a crush on me to not want to be “just friends” anymore.
[editor: i have already written the definitive post explaining under what circumstances men and women can be friends.]
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*provided for me.
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Tupac, talking about your dinky isn’t going to win Pupu over.
*smiles*
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Let me clarify:
What usually happens: They express a desire to get with me. I tell them I don’t like them like that. They never call me again.
OR
They call me again and again, and continue to press me for sex, when I’m not interested in having it with them.
It makes me miss having a boyfriend, because then I had a valid excuse other than the fact that I simply wasn’t a fan of their pokemon card collection.
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U U U:
A “grow-er” is not a dinky.
“Which do you choose: the hard or soft option?”
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A “grow-er” is not a dinky.
Oh! Umm…oops! You just talk a lot about your dinky, so I thought you were doing it again! I was just trying to help you out, Toops!
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No problem. But don’t be so serious! It ruins the fun.
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I always have fun…at your expense! 😛
Oh, that was mean! Sorry! But I had a super awesome good laugh when typing that dinky comment.
Gnight gorgeous!
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I’m going to have to go with the option where I staple my hand to the wall with an industrial stapler. If the one where I get to smack anyone who lolz with a three foot long double header isn’t available, that is.
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msexception
What is the meaning of the “lolz”??
help me out here , I’m just getting into this internet comment thing here.
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“Herb” comes from a Burger King commercial that was on TV in the 80’s, it became teenage slang in New York City and went national through rap music. A lot of the early “hip hop” slang was in general use in NYC, even among non-hip hop sorts.
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@Ella: What usually happens: They express a desire to get with me. I tell them I don’t like them like that. They never call me again.
That is the correct response from them. They have surmised that whatever ‘intellectual’ and ’emotional’ connection you have with them is bullshit. Any further time spent with you would be wasted.
They call me again and again, and continue to press me for sex, when I’m not interested in having it with them.
These ones are useless beta chumps and need a good bitch slapping, which, given the sort of girl you are, I assume you gave them.
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Ella,
Your big problem is you have no idea how different men are from women. A man and a woman can be non-sexual friends if both are attached, one is strongly attached, he is not attracted to her, or she is attracted to him. But if he is attracted to her and she is not attracted to him and neither is attached, this is a recipe for incredible frustration, because he will not understand that women have two ladders and men have one.
If a woman is eligible, okay-looking, attracted to an eligible man, and there is enough of an emotional connection for a real friendship, the man is practically guaranteed to start finding the woman attractive. Switch genders, and the woman who has put the man in the friend zone will usually be perfectly satisfied to keep him there with no inkling of how horrible his life becomes.
The ones who never call you again ARE NOT ANGRY WITH YOU. You should not be offended by their coldness — they are SACRIFICING a friendship because they can’t turn off their attraction for you.
The ones who call you again and again are “orbiters”. Even if they do not keep “pressing you for sex”, if they have ever wanted it they will always want it until they get a real girlfriend. What is cruel is that your continued encouragement of them as friends (and I am not denying that it is a genuine friendship you value highly) makes them less likely to detach enough to fall in love with someone else. This is the way men are.
You have only two honorable alternatives with a guy like this:
1) Say “I’m really sorry, but I don’t think it’s good for you to keep hanging around me because it’s preventing you from looking for a girl who can really fall in love with you”
2) GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE. You don’t have to have sex with him, but you can go on dates with him keeping it in mind as an eventual possibility, hold hands, kiss, see how it feels, maybe make out — THEN you can either credibly say “this just isn’t working out for me, I just can’t feel the way you feel”, or, to your surprise, you will find that you’re really beginning to like it. This has a significant chance of happening — if you think it is a 1% chance it is really 20%; if you think it is a 10% chance it is really 50%.
However: two things are very important, if you give the guy a chance:
a) Do not actually have sex with him unless you really have started finding him more attractive — holding hands, kissing, making out are OK but if it doesn’t work out he will only be able to deal with it if you stopped short.
b) make it a real chance, since you already are friends with the guy DO NOT SHIT TEST him. Build his confidence up in non-sexual ways, and he will start to act the part and suddenly something may click for you.
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@ Polymath
You know, for a slightly Aspergy, MIT grad you sure know a helluva lot when it comes to this shit.
Good post.
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dragnet,
Thanks. I didn’t figure this stuff out until later, but I don’t stop thinking about things until they make sense to me.
For a year or so in college I orbited and platonically dated a girl who was extremely desirable but notoriously picky — she was funny, smart, friendly, and gorgeous, and we really did connect as friends — but she felt no attraction to any of her friends. Her freshman year she had fallen super hard for an alpha frat guy but wouldn’t put out and was devastated when he dumped her. She was waiting for lightning to strike again, but none of the guys she knew had any game so it didn’t happen until she was a senior and a grad student swooped her (no objections to her choice, he was a nice guy who seemed alpha to her because he was a true stud at theoretical math, the best in his year). I only found out later how typical she was . Looking back, I can identify 2 or 3 occasions when some solid alpha moves on my part might have actually moved me out of the friend zone (this normally is almost impossible for an orbiter, but there were special circumstances which I won’t go into here).
Junior year I met my wife, and my success with her was mostly due to patience — my only alpha trait at the time was emotional stability in a living group full of extreme romantic drama. I’m glad I never got all the way with the other girl, who ended up a childless cougar who missed her chances to settle due to a self-centered streak (which was mild at the time I knew her but got worse).
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Question: What is the significance of a guy doing this to a girl? I asked a girl I’d been practing NO CONTACT game with recently to pour me a drink at a party. I’d been sitting beside the bar and she’d approached. She did it, then made a point of handing it to me as I sat there. I thanked her, klinked glasses, then walked away to chat with another girl. Was indifferent to her the rest of the night. Previously she would have shit-tested me, or resisted or refused. In this case, after 2 weeks of no contact and general indifference, she complied. Any thoughts on the power of “compliance game”?
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Kerstin:”But I believe that there is a shadow world government controlling a lot of things, including social movements like feminism and open immigration.”
FEMINISM —> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists
IMMIGRATION —> http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf
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“TERRY IN OREGON
msexception
What is the meaning of the “lolz”??
help me out here , I’m just getting into this internet comment thing here.”
I’d explain it, but I’m already in the process of tracking your exact location down using the microchip that was implanted in your neck by the government for the purposes of coming to your house and smacking you across the face.
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MSEXCEPTION
I don’t get it, my dear.
i ask for an explanation of the term””lolz” and you want to come to my place and assault me??!?!?!?!
What’s another name for that, FOREPLAY??????
HAW HAW HAWHAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!!!
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“TERRY IN OREGON
MSEXCEPTION
I don’t get it, my dear.
i ask for an explanation of the term””lolz” and you want to come to my place and assault me??!?!?!?!
What’s another name for that, FOREPLAY??????
HAW HAW HAWHAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!!!”
You, sir, are an idiot.
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MSEXCEPTION,
Again with the abuse, ms ex!!, an insult this time instead of a threat!!!!
I just don’t understand your hostility toward me.
Is it something I said??!?!?!?!
Wait, I know, you’re offended by my “foreplay” comment!!
See if you like this one better!!!!!
“Sooooo, do you charge extra for that??”
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!!!?!?!?!?!
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“Why is it that if a woman states these views she’s insane but the guys on here can rant about it all they want?”
Hmm let’s see the views:
Memory lapse to put Memento at shame:
“I’m not sure I’ve ever asked a guy to hold anything “
And I’m not sure if I’ve ever farted in my life.
“I am not manipulative.”
“If he wants to see me everyday he will have to marry me.”
“I don’t charge my boyfriend for anything, what are you talking about?”
“I am not raising children out of wedlock. He agrees on this.”
I presume it’s for the marriage gene transfer…
Then the truths:
“I don’t view my relationship as a transaction.”
“Why are you so hung up on this? He likes to pay, so I let him. ”
He also likes to have sex just in case no one told you….
“women that do this are enemies to my gender: they cheapen sex by giving it away without a commitment. ”
Stock prices crash, dividends gone…
“i harbor more hatred towards these women than i ever would at any guy on this board or elsewhere saying cruel, disrespectful things to me. because they have ruined it for everyone else.”
The vitriol pours forth!The knives are out!!
“By the way, I will not live with him without being married. Why would I do that? ”
“Living together gives a man all the benefits of marriage with no commitment.Why would any woman with half a brain consent to that?”
Yeah love can go fuck itself….
and then this:
“Under today’s law there are no commitments a woman enforceably has to make. That’s obvious. It’s due to feminism. What its done is ruined marriage for both men and women. ”
WTF how it’s bad for women??
“All its done is made everyones lives more difficult because men are now so commitment phobic.”
Damn! So much work to be done…
“That is really sad. there are still a lot of good women left here.”
you go sisters of teh YOOOSSSSSAAAA….no not you you cheap whores!!Down, down with your creed!!
Truth- A woman’s mind is cleaner than a man because she changes it more often.
“To be honest if i met a guy and he used these “game” tactics, like being a cocky jerk and never offering to help with anything, then i would probably not want to see him again.”
Though I might give him my number….
And then I might see him again.
“contrary to what you may believe women do NOT like assholes (at least I dont).”
wut?How much time passed in writing that sentence.Seconds?
“Why is it that if a woman states these views she’s insane but the guys on here can rant about it all they want?””
I think the label of insanity is better one.It atleast absolves your self of your judgments.
I’ll pray for the groom.
Or that you’re not real.
Or that you’re not a representation of the average.
But if you’re judged as good LTR material…
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Funny exegesis of Kerstins statements Namka. I especially like how you pointed out that she:
* doesn’t consider it demanding payment for sex when she will only have sex with someone who pays for her babies
* is down on women who put out for free, yet STILL can’t see that she’s charging for sex.
What an abominable whore. Get a job Kerstin. Pay for your own kids, out of your own pocket, and fuck your live in boyfriend for free. That way, if you can’t keep him happy, he’s not your legally owned slave for life.
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What if a girl trips and falls over a rock or a.crack in the sidewalk, which she didn’t see, she looks up at you with sad eyes and bloody scraped knees hoping you would help her up. Would she be considered a bitch because she asked for a little bit of assistance?
I’m afraid etiquette demands that you kick a bitch.
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“What if a girl trips and falls over a rock or a.crack in the sidewalk, which she didn’t see, she looks up at you with sad eyes and bloody scraped knees hoping you would help her up. Would she be considered a bitch because she asked for a little bit of assistance?”
Seriously, what girl wants help getting up after the ground when she’s just embarrassed herself? Especially, if she’s just banged up and not in danger.
The best response I’ve gotten to a similar situation- walking in college, slipped on some ice, fell backward very fast (didn’t hit my head because of thickness of my backpack). Guy sees incident and continues walking while saying “That sucks.” which it did, but the comment definitely diffused any embarrasment and let me stand up with some dignity because I was preoccupied with laughing after he said that.
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I thought everybody knew about this rule already, but its great reminder to all the beginners starting to visit this blog.
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It seems this is not the land of the brave anymore.
Just a bunch of PUAs and PUBs/FUBs(Picked Up Bitches/**cked Up Bitches) jockeying for who gets to be on top when they do their thing.
As Huntington rightly pointed out “Civilizations are not murdered, they commit suicide”. It will be sad to see America go down because the family, the smallest unit of a stable and prosperous society is made irrelevant due to the femorons and manginas that run things.
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[…] Patronizing Women Turns Them On, The Ultimate Shit Test, Double […]
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Here’s one I just had with a girl I know who constantly flirts with me but is always teasing and shit testing to see my responses…which always seem to crack her up or shock her.
I ran into her on the street in front of a trendy shoe store where she was admiring the display with a girlfriend.
I walked by, saw them, approached them to say hi but instead said:
Me: Save your money….
Her: Wow…so many choices….buy me a pair….
Me: Continuing to walk on…Stopped, turned, “When we’re married…” Smile… walk on…
It worked in that context because it was so shocking and over the top.
xxxxx
Another, girl I’ve been gaming sees me in a club:
Her: Wow, you look handsome tonight…
Me: Every night…
Her: Laughs
xxxxxx
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Jesus wept. No, He really did, go to the church and light a candle for Him. That Eve Ensler is just the right person for the Hairy-Eye Monologues – she’s the biggest cunt of them all. The serious problem, though, is that hoors like that trivialise very important crimes like female genital mutilation and rape, in order to give her own ghoulish ego an outing. What a cunt. Rape and genital mutilation are ghastly crimes and their victims (which include men as well) deserve help. How? Well, next time the serb / Congolese or whatever gang of savages is coming round the corner for their next crop of victims, greet them with a strong hail of “frozen tears” and blast their fucking arses off. Power to heal and help ultimately comes from the barrel of a gun. Eve Ensler is a cunt.
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… and, yes, that thing IS the ultimate shit-test!
🙂
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Recently, a 65 year old man was telling his friend that his wife of 44 years had divorced him and ended up with HIS money.
My husband and I were at another table having breakfast, overhearing his story. My husband told me the back story…..
This couple had lived all their married life on a farm in Oregon, working it as a couple, as rural folk do. Lots of hard work and dedication.
It seemed that, as they were now thinking of retiring, the husband wanted to get an old school bus and outfit it as an RV for them to take trips in. (His wife didn’t drive.)
She didn’t like this idea very much and wanted to get something better. Why had they worked so hard and scrimped so much? Why couldn’t they afford to get something more comfortable? He said they just couldn’t afford it, the bank wouldn’t loan them enough to get something newer.
The wife knew my husband’s sister, they were good friends, so she called her to tell her about this.They lived forty minutes apart.
My husband’s sister offered to drive her to the bank, as the wife wanted to find out how much they had saved and how much more they would need to get a good RV.
The bank manager listened to her and told her getting a newer RV shouldn’t be a problem-they had plenty of money, in fact, they had over $3 million between their checking and savings. The wife then asked to be driven to a divorce attorney….. It turned out she had also never had a dishwasher, a dryer, a refrigerator that defrosted and so on. She thought that maybe she would have learned to drive if they could have ever ‘afforded’ an automatic transmission car. She was awarded $750,000.
This illustrates WHY feminism, divorce 2.0 came to be….the men ruled, often so unfairly, now men are getting their turn being on the bad end of it….. and we all losing, really. Enough of the control struggles! It’s a no win!
Let’s quit whining, punching and hating – and work together to support love and family, let’s reform the marriage and divorce laws!
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There isn’t even one sensible sentence in whole site. Only humans what I respect are the natural scientists, since they usually arent on the level of the caveman. Internet is good place to see how stupid people really are. I have no high hopes for this species.
But thanks for entertainment 🙂 Ah, i love to despise stupid people. I really respect an earth worm more than most ppl here (and there is logic behind that). Yea, and I know that I’m stupid also, because without realizing it’s not possible to be any smart at all.
ps. Watch out alphas, betas and omegas…here comes whole alphabet. I see infra red.
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what happens when you work with a bunch of girls with a wide range of ages from 20-50?
will they still be trying to give out shit tests?
coz this sweet old lady keeps asking me if i can do her favours and i keep on saying yes but now i’ve read this i might try and reframe her mind or take a step in to her own world 😛
btw can some1 please reply to this at my email address
cheers
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@Dilaks
If you’re not interested in the sweet old lady (how old?) then I don’t know what you mean by “i might try and reframe her mind or take a step in to her own world”. Old ladies in the workplace should be invisible on your radar.
Unless someone is your superior then don’t do repeated favors for anyone in the workplace. Let these chicks do their own jobs that they’re getting paid for. That’s one of the things I hate about having women in the workplace. And no one respects a white knight, especially the other MEN in your workplace.
Now if there is some hottie who asks for favors then it’s still not a good idea, because you don’t want to be one of her beta orbiters. Let those chumps do her favors for nothing in return. You could surprise with a random favor once in a blue moon, but make sure she gets teased along with it and that she owes you one (such as reciprocal favor, or she pays for lunch, or has sex with you in the supply room, etc). Nothing in this life is free. You may think it’s harmless to be a “gentleman doing favors”, but it has a cost because it shrivels your balls a little more every time you scurry around at the request of some workplace wench. (Not to mention the fact that if you’re doing some chick’s task and something goes wrong, you’ll be the one who gets blamed.)
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“Whoa, it’s usually a good idea to wait until the second date before asking a guy to be your personal assistant.”
Waaay too many syllables. I’d say, “No, but I’ll do you a favor and slap you on the ass,” and then slap her on the ass.
OR, you could say, “Sure, I’d love to!” and then gulp her drink down. Then wipe your mouth with the back of your hand, hand the glass back to her and go, “Thanks!”
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I am new to pua, but when a HB asked me if she could have my history notes I replied: “How much?” and she now shows me a lot of interest.
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god some of you guys are fuckin great writers, and insightful as hell. fun to read.
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God, you guys think about this way too much. It’s all about context. If she’s making a quick call, or tying up her shoelaces, or getting money out of her purse or something like that, then just hold it and stop being a little bitch. If she leaves you hanging for ages and it’s clearly unreasonable, then just hand the drink back to her and leave, or just put the drink down and motion to her that you did, and leave. Who gives a fuck? You don’t have to be a dick and refuse to do anything for a girl, just have a reasonable limit (i.e. how would YOU feel in the reverse – I’d be surprised and pretty turned off if a girl didn’t hold a drink while I tied my shoelaces or something) and stick to it.
Also, to the conversation about men not being friends with a girl after she turns them down, that’s just ridiculous. Just get rid of your oneitis, and friendzone her back, and you A. might get an actually decent friend out of it, and B. you might meet other girls through her and get social value from her. If you’re already so hung up on a girl that you haven’t even been accepted by, then your problem isn’t the rejection, it’s the fact that you fall in love too easily. If it’s just lust, then recognize that it’s lust and that you’ll find another girl who you wanna fuck just walking down the street.
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Ella,
You should talk to my girlfriend. She seems to have problems with me being just friends with other girls, especially when they smile and touch me.
If you had a boyfriend would you mind if he was just friends/had meaningful relationships with other girls.
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