Reader Chad emails:
Why so many rape fantasies in women’s romance novels? How to take advantage of this female perversion without getting arrested?
It’s true. Romance novels, read almost entirely by women, are flush full of rape fantasies. If fantasy (or as I like to call it, “hyperreality”) didn’t reflect reality then we would hear and read of fantasies by women featuring beta males, short dweebs, nerdos, fatsos, and charmless stutterers in the role of desired man. But we don’t. Women’s fantasies, like men’s fantasies, provide a window into a wished-for reality where all options are available, all choice catered to, all desires quenched. Rape fantasy, despite the protestations to the contrary of the “fantasy is different than reality” crowd, is as much a reflection of real female desire as any other form of sexual fantasy.
Women fantasize about a lot of things that no one argues don’t reflect reality if that reality were an option. What fantasizing woman wouldn’t truly want to be a princess who gets swept off her feet by a prince living in a castle? What single woman who dreams it wouldn’t sleep with Johnny Depp in real life if he propositioned her? These are common fantasies of women which they never argue aren’t reflections of how they wish reality were. So why should we grant a plenary indulgence to rape fantasies? How is it that rape fantasy is the one glaring exception to the reality-reflection rule? Men also fantasize about stuff like threesomes with supermodels, but no one in their right mind would argue that men don’t actually want threesomes with supermodels in reality, if having them were possible. (Wives or girlfriends, don’t bother asking your partners. You won’t get an honest answer.)
Back when I was a stripling newly intoxicated to the allure of women, I went to the local library and read a few pulp romance novels to better understand the contours of female desire. (I knew even then that romance novels are wank material for women.) Naturally, being a man, I chubbed out reading the surprisingly explicit sex scenes and was bored with the rest of the plot. Let me tell you, the dreck of the literary world lies in the pulp romance genre. But I soldiered on. I knew that some keys to successfully seducing women would be found in between the pages of those trashy paperbacks.
And, yes, the books I read had rape scenes. I remember recoiling at those, wondering at the depravity of women if this is what they craved. I looked for commonalities in those scenes and noticed that words like “overpowered”, “overwhelmed” and “powerless” were used frequently. The horny protagonists victims were often pushed up against solid objects, like big oak trees, and roughhoused from behind, never once seeing the face of their attacker (he often wore a mask), although there was much florid description of his musky aroma and muscular body pressing into her helplessly yielding flesh.
Rape fantasy reflects a deep, inborn, uncompromising sexual desire by women to be rendered helpless, almost childlike, by a more powerful man. It is the submissive scrawling of their hindbrains, a message in a novel sailing forth from the female limbic labyrinth. And from submission to a dominant male force is born the strongest love.
I loved that he was so powerful I was nothing.
– O
Does this mean women would be sexually turned on by real life rape? It is a question not so easily dismissed when we begin to examine closely the sexual fantasies of women. Dismissed it is, though, because no one — man or woman — wants to creak open the vault door that houses such primeval female decadence. For if women do harbor secret desires for dark seductions, then what is left of the pretext to chivalry? Women benefit from some amount of cultural pedestalization. *Societies* benefit. There is no room in a healthy, functioning society for mischievous inquisitors to lay bare the true soul of woman.
My understanding of women, and from what I’ve gleaned from their romance novel porn, leads me to believe that rape is a fantasy for women when the rapist is implied or otherwise insinuated to be the sort of man for whom women would surrender themselves in other contexts willingly, (i.e. an alpha). Women do have a natural sociobiological revulsion to rape by losers, because their most precious asset — their womb — cannot suffer lightly the gimped seed of omega chumps forcibly implanted. But what of rape by a masked alpha? That’s where the moral certainty yields to an unforgiving, and wholly discomfiting, ambiguity.
To Chad’s question above — how to take advantage of this female perversion without getting arrested — I would not suggest actual rape of your beloved. Don’t jump out at her from behind a bush while she’s walking home alone at night. But there are ways to simulate the heady rush of a lustful rape that will not only press her buttons, but yours as well.
Inform her that one night in the not too distant future she will experience something she won’t be prepared for, and shouldn’t expect to prepare for. On that night, while she’s getting ready for bed, you will cut the fuses so all the lights go out. As she’s standing in the dark, approach the doorway wearing a ski mask and dark clothes, and slowly instruct her to put her hands against the wall, in front of the window. She will, naturally, recognize your voice, so some of her fear will be mediated, but she won’t be able to see your face. It is important for the rape enactment that you act as if you are not who she thinks you are. She will appreciate this ruse, and might even be able to tempt herself with the thought that you are a stranger who sounds like her lover.
With her hands on the wall, you will approach her from behind, reminding her not to look back at you. Tell her not to struggle or make a sound. As you step up behind her, put a knife to her throat (for advanced rape enactors only) and allow your body to linger closely without touching her for a minute. Breathe heavily, creeper style. Then thrust your hand violently under her oversized nighty t-shirt and grab her panties, pulling them across her ass until they rip. Bury your hand in her mound. She will be dripping wet. Put your wet hand to her nose and angrily whisper in her ear that her wet pussy belies her fear. She will attempt to turn around to see you. With your hand firmly clutching her face, force her eyes forward. Press her cheek hard into the windowpane. Enter her.
When you are spent, I guarantee that afterward she will lovingly rest her head in your chest and confess that she had the most earth shattering orgasm of her life. Repeat for your other three girlfriends.

Finally, it’s about time we see the Romance novel discussion here. I read a couple of romance novels to try and understand what it was that drew women in and what is it in the end? Game!
Just check out the submission guidelines for publishers such as Harlequin and they will tell you that a strong Alpha male character that borders on abusive makes for a great sale.
No matter what they say…a woman will pay to read about living in the shadow of a dominant male.
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Roissy, you are one sick bastard. More power to you!!!
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how do you still have a motherfucking job? fine, go out there, get yourself killed. my ass is staying here behind this pseudonym.
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Flamewar incoming
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Haha, niceee! I believe that women want to be dominated, one way or another. Weather they know it or knot. And rape fantasies are just a projection of that. Something to learn from, without going into illegal territory.
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Brother, you ansered yourself here:
“(Wives or girlfriends, don’t bother asking your partners. You won’t get an honest answer.) ”
They dont respond honestly about their fantasies because they care about what everyone’s would think
Then theres unwanted rape, why to open a door for that anyway saying they do want to be overpowered.
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Roissy–
I’ve known this forever. I’ve had girls confirm this to me as well, after initial denials. You have to get them around to feeling comfortable about it. And well … I don’t think a girls would ever admit this to a man she didn’t feel was an alpha, in effect, without necessarily exactly those words.
The fantasy is often hottest for the girl when the alpha is forbidden to her — but hot. Forbidden because she’s married — though as I understand it romance novels usually don’t cross that line. But he could be forbidden as well because he’s from a nation hers is at war with. Or most commonly, because she’s upper class more or less and he’s from the lower orders but is rising rapidly. Still her family forbids it. And yes racial taboos — he’s an AmerIndian super warrior who’s also wise and likely to be chief one day. She’s a captive held for ransom or prisoner exchange. And so on.
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from: http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/02/womens-rape-fantasies-the-deepest-taboo/
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Women’s Rape Fantasies: The Deepest Taboo
September 2nd, 2009 · 38 Comments
Perhaps nothing illustrates our society’s blindness concerning the true nature of female sexuality as clearly as the widely held belief that rape is anathema to female desire. If my suspicions are correct, this fiction is likely tied to the same paternalist sub-theology that is responsible for feminism, the family law industrial complex, and widespread, legalized discrimination against men. However, before I get into any speculation here, let’s take a look at the evidence.
Matthew Hutson, writing for Psychology Today, raises the question “Why Do Women Have Erotic Rape Fantasies?” To prove that they do in fact have these fantasies, he points to studies and statistics, including the following:
A recent analysis of 20 studies over the last 30 years indicates that between 31% and 57% of women have rape fantasies, and these fantasies are frequent or preferred in 9% to 17% of women. Considering that many people are ashamed to report rape fantasies, these stats are most likely lowball figures.
If Hutson’s inference is correct, more than half of women likely have fantasies of being raped, and in perhaps up to one in four women these are their preferred and most common fantasies. Other studies are referenced in the article as well, if you care to research them yourself.
Although not a scientific study, I also found the following quote particularly revealing:
In one survey of romance novels (which tend to be written by and for women), the lead female character was raped in 54%.”
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from: http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/02/womens-rape-fantasies-the-deepest-taboo/
check out all the women giving this rape book high marks!!!
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–http://www.readreactreview.com/2008/09/22/review-to-have-and-to-hold-patricia-gaffney/
Carol, AAR, A
Rosario: A+
Alicia, TGTBTU, B
Gwerp (AAR Rachel): A+ (Rachel links to some comments from Gaffney herself on THTH)
Jennie’s B[ook]log: 8 out of 10
Amazon.com 4 stars after 22 reviews
Looooong thread at AAR: Visit this one for contradictory analyses of nearly every bit of text in this book, and fantastic examples of reader response criticism!
Fun factoid: THTH is typically ranked fairly highly in the AAR poll of top romances. It was 34 in the most recent poll.
The Racy Romance Review:
I can’t seem to get away from rakes lately, and Sebastian is another one in a long distinguished line. But while most rakes harm no one but themselves with their promiscuity, gambling, drinking, and laziness, Sebastian’s pursuit of his own selfish pleasure comes to include the pursuit of others’ pain and humiliation, our heroine being his first and only target. Typically in romance novels, sadism is reserved for the bad guy (complete with gleeful cackle), so Gaffney has certainly done something unusual here. And she’s done something psychologically astute: It makes sense that this would be the next step for a truly libertine character, doesn’t it? It’s a wonder that sadism so rarely occurs to our rakish heroes.
–http://www.readreactreview.com/2008/09/22/review-to-have-and-to-hold-patricia-gaffney/
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The fantasy of being raped by a clearly alpha man who’s socially forbidden to her allows her to enjoy him sexually without being guilty herself of breaking the social taboo.
That he risks so much in breaking the taboo and raping her both, due to his sexual animal attraction to her is no doubt not hurting the erotic female fantasizing either.
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I never bought the idea that rape victims experience vaginal lubrication “as a means to protect the body from trauma”.
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“Repeat for your other three girlfriends.”
HAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was smiling all the way thru that, then fell off my chair when saw that last sentence!
Roissy, you’re an animal! Now, that’s the kind of stuff I like to read.
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“the dreck of the literary world lies in the pulp romance genre”
And Ayn Rand.
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This is powerful stuff. I had no idea until one evening while making out with a gf I – completely on impulse – took off my tie and bound her hands to the bedpost. I was utterly unprepared for the erotic fury this would unleash. Mild bondage was a regular part of our lovemaking from then on. And since then I’ve never had a girl refuse when offered a little forced-sex play.
And as always one wishes that this blog had been around, oh, thirty years ago when I could have really put this advice to good use.
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Just yell “Surprise!” first.
Then it’s just surprise sex.
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omg in college i dated a catholic girl who wouldn’t let me put my cock in more that an inch or two so i wouldn’t break her hymen.
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WTF?????!??!?!!?
i am not kidding you. in and out in and out an inch or two at a time until i would splooge on her stomach…..
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then one night she asks me 2 tie her up with my tie after teh formal
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and another girl that year brought out teh handcuffs lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlz
see i’m just happy exploding my load on tehir faces but they want the tied up domination parts lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzlzllzzl
even the virgins saving their hymens for marriage. lzozlzlzlz
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i think tghe neocons liek ayn rand because she
1) heated reagan
2) loved abortion
3) glorified rape in her 5th grade novels
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Ok.. this post is somewhat related- about women liking domination. It shows an example of double entendre in a disney teen show “Glee”.
I have put two NSFW pictures to explain what the double entendre is about (for the clueless).
Warning: the following link contains two NSFW pictures.
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/what-a-girl-wants-what-a-girl-needs/
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I’ve always wanted to try the whole rape fantasy thing, but haven’t been sure how to approach it.
It makes sense that women like it, especially considering how much some women love to be slapped and choked.
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Ah, yes. Roissy is exactly on point. Many women want to be
raped, but ONLY by men to whom they would have
willingly given themselves. The “rape” just reconfirms
the dude’s complete alphaness.
I have never tried it, but apparently, if you check
out “The Fountainhead” in a library, it will typically
fall open to the one page with the rape of
Dominique by Howard Roark, whom she was
ALREADY lusting after, big time.
In Atlas, the sex scenes are not rape, but some
REALLY rough sex in most cases.
And, as hinted by several posters, the “rape”
gives plausible deniability in the cases where
the union was forbidden by the larger society,
or at least would face the woman with severe
social sanctions and/or problems.
Thor
P.S. Calling the romance novels “trashy” is
essentially meaningless. Calling Ayn Rand’s
novels “trashy” is just denying reality.
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You can do this on first sex with a girl too. (Only for clear alphas.)
However she’s got to be giving you tons of IOI’s. It can’t be a close run thing in your eyes, ’cause that could mean it’s not close at all in hers.
If she is though, and her doe eyes of lust are hot enough, you can push through her LMR, as long as she doesn’t turn to hard cold struggle. Any her turning icy, back off immediately.
If it’s all the hot kind of semi resistance, you’re good. But at the last minute you’ve got to stop and tell her she has to beg you for it. Your cock is out, poised at her entrance but it hasn’t gone in. Tell her she has to beg for it, or she isn’t getting it.
When she does, you’re home free to hot, very dominant sex that’s gonna bond her to you tight. (Other things being ok for that.)
If she refuses to beg you, stop immediately, say you were sure she wanted it, and you’re sorry you went too fast for her, and get dressed. Ask if she’s ok. Don’t be all apologetic; treat it as a misunderstanding ended before any harm was done.
You really shouldn’t have this last happen though, because as I said you shouldn’t have gotten that far unless her attraction at the moments leading up was intense.
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“The fantasy of being raped by a clearly alpha man who’s socially forbidden to her allows her to enjoy him sexually without being guilty herself of breaking the social taboo”
Exactly. Women – above all else and due to their childlike nature – seek to avoid personal responsibility. If they are raped, they are not responsible for the sexual encounter. Thus, many Southern women with their Mandingo fantasies.
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Yep. I’d also like to add that it’s not enough that she’s overwhelmed and taken by an alpha she finds desirable…it’s also necessary that the woman feel as if it’s her own beauty that’s driving the man to such lengths to possess her. That even despite submitting to the power of his superior physical strength, he is still overcome by his intense desire for what she uniquely has to offer.
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Check out the feminist who hired a hooker to rape her.
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one of the funny lzozlzl zzlzlz zthings is that tucker max filmed himself taping butthex with a girl without getting the girl’s consentto be on film. he published and profited from this story. his next book is being published by simon and schuster which is lorded over by a female editor lzozllzlzlzlllzlzlzlzl.
http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html
and charlotte allen lauds tucker max in teh pages of teh weekly standard writing, repeating his lies and writing, “Tucker Max, 33, six feet tall, extrovertedly good-looking.” lozlzlzlzlzl!!
charlotte allen loves secritive tapers of butthex so much that she writes that tucker max’s film “became an indie movie hit.”
http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html
scroll to the bottom here, keeping in mind that the film cost $12,000,000:
http://www.quotabletuckermax.com/
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case and point — women love douchebags and secretive tapers of butthex without the girl’s consent and will bend over backwards (or forwards lozlzozzozozlzoz) to defend them, promote them, publish them, all the while critiziing men for objectifying women and ignoring true alpha americanheroes dying on froeign shores in foreign wars. lzozllzlz zlz zlzozlz zlz lzzozllzzlzozlzlozz lzozlzlzozozlzlzozlz lzzllzozzlzlzlzooz zlzozlzlzlzoz zlzlzoozozzlz zlzozozlzl
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Don’t forget the safeword. What you’re talking about here is basically BDSM or D/s so the sub needs to have an out just in case something is over-the-top uncomfortable or freaking them out.
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@Gary,
Jesus, that male hooker is more beta than I ever was. What a dope. The “feminist”, on the other hand, confirms everything Roissy says.
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GBFM is so full of crap about Rand.
This is the woman who infuriated feminists by saying that no woman should be president of the United States.
Why? Not that a woman wasn’t capable in all ways of performing the functions of the president, but because she worried for the woman president’s pyschological health, being a female and in that position not having A MAN TO LOOK UP TO.
She herself craved this psychological and sexual domination by a man so much that she screwed up her personal life in a rather sad pursuit of it. But that only confirms the truth of her views, doesn’t it?
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Gone With the Wind.
I just asked and several girl friends said they had fantasies about being chased, tied up, and banged.
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Women’s fantasies, like men’s fantasies, provide a window into a wished-for reality where all options are available, all choice catered to, all desires quenched.
Women have sex for a huge number of reasons, as Cindy Meston and David Buss describe in their book Why Women Have Sex. They describe the difference between what they term “erotic rape fantasies” of the sort found in romance novels and “aversive rape fantasies” that feature realistic violence. According to them,
In contrast, aversive rape fantasies tend to be more fearful and “contain considerable coercion and painful violence,” where the male is more likely to be a stranger and less likely to be attractive. These kinds of fantasies are seldom depicted in romance novels (253).
Does this mean women would be sexually turned on by real life rape? It is a question not so easily dismissed when we begin to examine closely the sexual fantasies of women.
This question is easily dismissed because women know the difference between fantasy and real life, which is reflected by research, self-reports, and the like.
[editor: i didn’t ask if women knew the difference between fantasy and reality. i asked if the realization of their fantasy would be something they would enjoy.]
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Men often have “rape” fantasies about some hot beautiful woman (or women) completely overwhelming him, and taking him by force. Must mean that men like being dominated as well. *shrugs*
[editor: no they don’t. and if men did fantasize about being “raped” by hot women, that would only serve to confirm my point, since no red-blooded single man is going to turn down a real life “raping” by a hot babe.]
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“JonnyB
GBFM is so full of crap about Rand.”
Hey johnnyB (the b stands for beta).
Fuck you if you can’t take teh facts.
1) Ayn Rand glorified rape.
2) Ayn Rand glorified abortion.
3) Ayn Rand hated on Reagan.
Fuck you if you beta butthex lovers h8 facts. lolzlzlzlzllzlzlzlz
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I too agree that all fantasies are rooted in real desire, although in the most extreme fantasies (e.g., rape, torture, mutilation) only a “play version” is usually desired. (But even in play, boundary conditions of a suitable mate must be met: the “rape” must be carried out by an alpha.)
Rape fantasies, of varying degree, are mainstream in women. No aficionado of online erotica can miss how women write (and hail) stories about submission (and almost nothing else!).
I’d go so far as to say that, when it comes to adult Internet forums, masochism is the sole paraphilia where you can assume that women online are actually female (as opposed to trannies and trolling guys). Indeed, this is supported by The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (4th ed.): “except for sexual masochism . . . paraphilias are almost never diagnosed in females”.
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The rape part is just a vehicle to deliver the emotions of submissiveness. So no women dont want to be raped by strangers. Basically they want you to make them feel the emotions of submissiveness they luv it!
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deery
I’ve never had this fantasy in my life. Not once. And I’m no gen Y spring chicken.
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editor: no they don’t. and if men did fantasize about being “raped” by hot women, that would only serve to confirm my point, since no red-blooded single man is going to turn down a “raping” by a hot babe.]
The same goes for women. If a guy is desirable (by whatever definition), then most women aren’t going to turn him down. It is exciting for some people ( both men and women) to think that someone desires you so much that they must have you, protestations to the contrary be damned. It is perhaps the loss of control on the part of the “rapist” that is exciting, not the actual act in and of itself.
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Justin—
Women DO have stranger rape fantasies also.
But the stranger always reveals his alphaness.
The one thing ALL erotic to females rape fantasies have in common is that the rapist is alpha. He’s never “creepy” or an all around loser.
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You aren’t kidding.
My favorite LTR lasted about 2 years. The high point of our chemistry occurred on a night when I instinctively put a knife to her throat while we were in the kitchen. Good things followed, and from that point forward she would always reference a ‘knife to her throat’ as her fondest memory, and something that couldn’t be spontaneously revisited in the same way.
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@ deery
This is patently false. The solipsism here is absolutely incredible.
Porn will give you a pretty good idea of the most widespread and common male fantasies. You just don’t see that many scenes with dominant women because the vast majority don’t fanatasize about that.
Stop confusing “men” with “women” for fuck’s sake.
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What’s the deal with Johnny Depp? That guy just doesn’t do it for me. Sexiest man alive? Phaa. But say Matt Dillon would definitely make it to my short list. By the way, Tim Burton’s movies have been a little out of control lately.
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deery-
You must be some serious slut.
Most women will turn down a guy who hasn’t courted them and shown some interest that they can at least tell themselves will continue after the sex for maybe a long time. Not all sluts require this but even most sluts do, though often in a very impetuous and kidding themselves about it that they half know at the time sort of way.
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You must be some serious slut.
Very logical well thought-out response.
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Stop equating the intensity and breadth of this desire in women with that of men. The desire to be overwhelmed is common and mainstream among women, and very, very, rare among men—and you know this.
You’re completely full of shit to pretend otherwise.
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Actually, babbs, Rand exalted Reagan as the only president in recent times worthy of the title, and it could hardly be said that she glorified abortion as much as she considered fetuses as not individuals, and therefore devoid of rights. But you’re one and a half for three there.
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margaret
Girls that don’t go for the arty type of man may well feel as you do.
but most girls who do feel strongly pulled to some arty type guys are gonna feel it for Johnny Depp.
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deery–
As a matter of fact it was.
Not only that but backed as well by long and extensive experience with sluts and good girls both.
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deery–
You’re toast.
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Remember that some feminist brain-damaged women have trouble reconciling “rape” in their minds.
If you are with this kind of a woman, you can escalate into it over 3 or 4 sex sessions. Trust me, if she is incapable of proper submission you will get a firestorm at step 1. If not, I guarantee you can escalate to almost any level short of serious physical violence.
Start simple, bend her arm behind her while pinning her to a wall. Pin both her wrists – hard – above her head while kissing forcefully and feeling her breast with your free hand.
Next time introduce her to your firm (not strangling or stifling) hand over her neck while you kiss her hard.
And next time, just tie her up, get good silk ties for the occasion and just do it. Tie up hands in front and ankles, lay her on the bed and go to it.
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I set the over/under line on you deleting this post at 6 days.
[editor: looking back, i’ve had to delete posts that exes could have identified themselves within. you can never be too careful.]
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El Guapo–
Yes.
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LR just read this…
and got really wet. Then FURIOUS.
’tis too bad – something tells me that Roissy raping LR would give her an orgasm heard ’round the world (and would give Roissy the shakes).
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“Dilbert Hole
Actually, babbs, Rand exalted Reagan as the only president in recent times worthy of the title, and it could hardly be said that she glorified abortion as much as she considered fetuses as not individuals, and therefore devoid of rights. But you’re one and a half for three there.”
yo beta,
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http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/bio/biofaq.html
1976 – Rand endorsed President Gerald Ford in one of the last issues of The Ayn Rand Letter. Her longtime friend Alan Greenspan worked in the Ford administration, and Rand had personally met Ford. She specifically disapproved of Ronald Reagan, who was challenging Ford for the Republican nomination, on the basis of his opposition to abortion rights[*]
http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/bio/biofaq.html
Dilbert Hole is a case study of someone who grew up in a single mother household and goes wahaha awha ahahaha hw ahahahaha and cries and bitches and then wahahaha whwhhahaah gets a tit in his mouth.
well fuck you dilbert hole i ain’t yo mama
i’m yo papa
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@ Doug1
Deery mostly posts over at Obsidian’s blog. Every now and then she has something sensible to say, but most of the time you just get poorly reasoned, solipsistic bullshit like what you see here.
Really, it’s probably better just to ignore her. And I’ll try to take my own advice.
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While we’re pondering fantasies, what’s with gangbangs, multiple penetrations and bukkakke in (presumably) straight male oriented porn? What does that say about male desire?
[editor: sperm wars. although i’ve never been one to get the appeal of gangbangs. last thing i want to see is another dude’s dong dangling in my peripheral vision as we work out positions on the chick.]
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This anonymous was me:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/play-rape/#comment-168620
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1269781/Scientists-develop-spray-make-men-affectionate-using-cuddle-hormone-oxytocin.html
How long before this is prescribed to every schoolboy?
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“For if women do harbor secret desires for dark seductions, then what is left of the pretext to chivalry?”
Where’s the contradiction here? Why can’t a woman want a gentleman in the streets and a rapist in the bedroom?
Men want a “lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets.” Isn’t that a contradiction as well?
Maybe it’s simply that, human beings as a whole, are nothing more than walking contradictions. Groundbreaking.
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“Men often have “rape” fantasies about some hot beautiful woman (or women) completely overwhelming him, and taking him by force. Must mean that men like being dominated as well. *shrugs*
This is BS. I can imagine virginal boys thinking this way, or guys who never get sex, but for the most part, men just want sex with as little effort as possible. Real men want to be in charge.
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“To Chad’s question above — how to take advantage of this female perversion without getting arrested — I would not suggest actual rape of your beloved. Don’t jump out at her from behind a bush while she’s walking home alone at night.”
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@ GBFM: 1976 – Rand endorsed President Gerald Ford in one of the last issues of The Ayn Rand Letter. Her longtime friend Alan Greenspan worked in the Ford administration, and Rand had personally met Ford. She specifically disapproved of Ronald Reagan, who was challenging Ford for the Republican nomination, on the basis of his opposition to abortion rights[*]
You’re kind of an annoying douchbag. That said, Rand just died recently. Maybe changed her mind somewhere between 1976 and 2006 or 7 when she died? I can see that happening after Reagan was president for a while and made a lot of fans for her too, BTW.
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Women just like it rough sometimes. It is kind of animalistic but definitely a favorable trait since it implies dominance and protection in time of danger. Sex scenes in books work because they stimulate the ultimate sex organ which is the brain. And fantasy. When you are reading a book or imagining something you can make it into anything you want. Which is why I have not yet seen a movie I liked better then a book.
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Dragnet, being dominated or raped by a woman is a pretty common male fantasy. Professional dominatrixes do very brisk business and get paid more than regular hookers. Lifestyle Dommes have no shortage of offers.
Men just tend to keep these fantasies from other men and their vanilla girlfriends because it would change the dynamic of the relationship.
Granted, it’s probably not the most common fantasy, but it’s not exactly rare. I’d say it’s a niche, and a pretty strong one.
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I can hardly wait to hear what Xsplat has to say about all of this.
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@ Nicole
Being domination is mainstream among women. According to some surveys this a regular and common fantasy among 80 percent of women. 80 fucking percent.
Very few women are lifestyle or professional dommes so it’s not suprising that they have plenty of offers—demand is very low, but the supply is even lower.
Don’t believe the hype.
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margaret–
I don’t disagree with you generally, but there are some movies that are filmed so lushly or otherwise amazingly, that I’m quite sure I wouldn’t agree in those cases. Though I can’t think of one where I’d read the book behind the film if there was one.
E.g. Lawrence of Arabia. Or Stanley Kubrick’s final film, Eyes Wide Shut. Or his Barry Lyndon.
But I can see a woman disagreeing esp. on Eyes Wide Shut. Men are way more visually oriented w/sex.
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Tyrone, sometimes a real man likes to not be in charge. Many guys who bottom are very ambitious and driven, and want a break. There are things one gets from bottoming that one doesn’t get from topping.
One is a state called “subspace” in which the person is physically bound or in intense service, and feels freed and lets go completely.
It may not be your thing, but I’d take care not to be overly judgmental about this. Some very tough guys are very submissive with the right woman.
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that last comment should say “Being dominated…”
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My favorite safe word is “banana”, because even is she has a baseball sized ball gag in, the word “banana” can still be made out, even if its pretty muffled:
“Mamana! Mahnana!”
[editor: lol! i pee myself.]
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hey there tyrone,
“Tyrone
@ GBFM: 1976 – Rand endorsed President Gerald Ford in one of the last issues of The Ayn Rand Letter. Her longtime friend Alan Greenspan worked in the Ford administration, and Rand had personally met Ford. She specifically disapproved of Ronald Reagan, who was challenging Ford for the Republican nomination, on the basis of his opposition to abortion rights[*]
You’re kind of an annoying douchbag. That said, Rand just died recently. Maybe changed her mind somewhere between 1976 and 2006 or 7 when she died? I can see that happening after Reagan was president for a while and made a lot of fans for her too, BTW.”
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omg i love it how women think that the ultimate sex organ is teh brain lzozllzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzll
“margaret
Women just like it rough sometimes. It is kind of animalistic but definitely a favorable trait since it implies dominance and protection in time of danger. Sex scenes in books work because they stimulate the ultimate sex organ which is the brain. And fantasy. When you are reading a book or imagining something you can make it into anything you want. Which is why I have not yet seen a movie I liked better then a book.”
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Dragnet, this isn’t about hype. I’ve been an active Domme for over 20 years.
Guys go there with me even when I don’t tell them anything about my orientation. Perhaps it’s a “vibe”. At least every fifth guy who hits on me is looking for a dildo in his ass or a spanking.
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@ Loon Joobie
Interesting article. Still it’s interesting to note that there IS biochemical explanation for why men aren’t as sensitive as women and that this differential isn’t because of “social conditioning” or any other feminist blather.
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@GBFM:
i present you with fact and you say maybe she changhed her mind to support your lzozllzer premise
I really don’t give a shit, I’m not much of a Rand fan, myself. I was just pointing out a weakness in your argument. A lot of time and political change occurred between 1976 and 2006. A lot of people loved Carter in 1976 and hated him in 1980 too.
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Ulysses-
Just watched your vid.
It’s exactly that kind of situation, which ISN’T that uncommon for alpha guys, that I had in mind here:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/play-rape/#comment-168620
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Doug 1,
Lawrence of Arabia came close and thinking of it The English Patient would qualify.
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For fun, the next time you’re having sex with a girl, start imitating a rapist.
In missionary position, pin her wrists behind her head. Put your hands on her shoulders and hold her down forcefully. Choke her.
In doggy style, pull both of her arms back and ram her like you’re holding the reigns of a carriage.
Lay her all the way face down and mount her from behind, then pull her wrists back and pin them down forcefully right above her ass.
Try a little slapping as well. Right on her face.
99% of the women I’ve tried this on either absolutely loved it, or responded positively. The ones who did not like it were usually the real weirdos.
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Ayn Rand died 6th of March 1982, not exactly
recently. The irony is that she died of lung cancer
at age about 77 (b 1905 in St Petersburg).
She had described smoking in glowing terms,
along the lines of “a point of fire in his hand,
like a point of fire in the mind” (not exact, but
the general idea).
When she realized how bad it was to smoke,
she quit cold turkey. However, by then it was
WAY too late.
I didn’t even have to google.
And, yes, Alan Greenspan was one of her protegés,
so to speak. Not that he believed in the gold standard,
unfortunately.
Thor
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Cf the opening scene of Complicity, Iain M Banks.
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shut the fuck up tard fuck your words are so fucing stupid
“@GBFM:
i present you with fact and you say maybe she changhed her mind to support your lzozllzer premise
tardfuck tyrone responds: I really don’t give a shit, I’m not much of a Rand fan, myself. I was just pointing out a weakness in your argument. A lot of time and political change occurred between 1976 and 2006. A lot of people loved Carter in 1976 and hated him in 1980 too.”
if you really don’t give a shit shut the fuck up stupid fuck!
i fucking quote what she said you tard fuck.
get the fuck out of here.
jesus fucking christ whassup with all the trad fuck haters of simple truth, logic, and reason and fact?
fucktard lozozlleleellr
i bet you enjoy arguing with women and excahnging patty-cake slaps lzozlzlzl omg lzozl
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@ Nicole
I stick by my assessment: there is a low demand for dominant women and even fewer numbers of dominant women. So it’s going to seem like the cup runneth over. Not a niche—a sliver. A hardened enthusiastic sliver, but a sliver nonetheless.
Unless our society has become more feminized than I could have ever guessed…
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I think some safety warnings are warranted here.
Guys, remember that you are much, much stronger than us. Our bones also aren’t as thick. If you don’t know what you’re doing, you can really hurt someone, so choking when you are at an intense point in the encounter is a bad idea.
Now, when I’m talking about sexual choking, I’m not talking about actually cutting off someone’s air and blood flow to their brain. I mean putting your hands around their neck.
Men get stronger erections from being actually choked a bit, but women don’t need that. So what you want to do is just hold the neck firmly, taking care not to press with your fingers.
Talk dirty and ask questions to get feedback. If she can speak then it means she still has air, which is a good thing.
Good times for play choking are during foreplay, like when you accost her or something. When you actually get down to business, don’t be holding her around the neck. Move your hands down closer to the shoulders if you need some leverage.
There is no safe way to really choke someone, so if you’re not an M.D. don’t try it…unless you’re stupid.
Since I know there are some idiots who are going to try it anyway, definitely read before you do it, and make sure your partner is really specifically into that, and has a plan for what to do if something goes wrong.
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A friend related a story about talking to a class about romantic comedies. While most women thought that a lot of the stuff was kind of creepy, their views changed when it was the *right* guy doing it. I’d wager, along with others, that it is the same thing here.
Since “ravish” is only typically used in relation to this sort of thing in romance novels, perhaps using “ravishment fantasy” would help to distinguish it from random, brutal rape fantasies which some people almost certainly have.
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“I never bought the idea that rape victims experience vaginal lubrication “as a means to protect the body from trauma”.
It’s amazing how fertile the female mind can be at conjuring up bull-shit to conceal their animal natures from stupid herbs and similar types.
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Magaret,
I agree with you, The English Patient had very good love scenes.
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I can garauntee you women dont like the idea of strange men raping them! Its not about the rape, the rape seen allows the reader to feel the submissive emotions of the victim and in this case submissive emotions are the drug that women get from reading about it. So again its not that they want to be raped its that they want to feel the submissive emotions its very erotic to them just like dominance is very erotic to me. I like to dominate cuz it feels great it feels like your a mighty powerful warrior or some shit. Women want you to dominate and feel like a powerful warrior cuz then they can tap into there animalistic feelings of submissiveness.
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Fuck. Our sad little story continues.
http://www.feministing.com/archives/020977.html
I hope the kid is not a boy. If he is a boy, he’s gonna have a sad, sad life.
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Roissy Citizen Renegade,
Speaking of rape which is linked to harrassment, here are some tips for professors who want to do it with university students in the Middle East (I’m from Lebanon) without getting accused of harrassment:
1) universities of the Middle East are still untouched by feminist rules and regulations, therefore false harrassment or rape accusations are not common,
2) girls who care about their reputation in society won’t accuse the professor,
3) the professor should give the girl what she wants: a good grade and passing the course,
4) an accusation might occur if the girl is not given what she wants.
Any professor who sticks by these rules will fuck 4 to 6 girls each semester if he teaches four courses.
I advice any professor who has game to teach in Lebanon or another ‘open-minded’ Middle Eastern countries. Although I doubt this might happen because most professors are betas.
Nestorius from Beirut
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Sign a waver, use a safeword, video tape it.
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Dragnet
You’re right.
Don’t let Nicole’s views color your assessment. She does occupy a small niche.
The slice of submissive to women men is probably bigger than the really tiny thing you’re thinking, but she’s also exaggerating, or as I’ve said has her own views based upon, well the niche she fills. She’s not exactly conventionally attractive to men who want beautiful female objects to satisfy their dominant sex lust. For female submissive sex she’d only be attractive to, well…. you get the idea. I’m trying to be clear to you but not needlessly mean to her which is a bit of a challenge.
Male submissives seem to often turn into willing/knowing cuckolds, if they have a wife that’s willing to dom them in any way and or others. If one takes a look at femdom sites. Far more often I think these sub men just get left by their wives. However since there aren’t that many women as you say that want to only be doms, it’s a way some can dom their obedient hubbies (as per some feminist prescriptions) while still enjoying their deep female desire to be sexually submissive to dominant men.
I suspect / fear that this may increase quite a bit among gen Y. It seems to have become a porn niche, whereas I think this was very rare in porn 20 years ago.
I suppose it’s another outlet for alphas, but socially, if it grows from it’s current I think very small numbers — socially just ugggh.
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From Carlton Grey’s link:
My question is:
Who is the father?
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If you want to watch rough but consensual pr0n you should watch Woodman’s castings. The guy is a fucking genius. He also uses lots of game, at times, when convincing these (legal) teens to audition for porn even when they thought they would become models. The interviews are almost as good as the sex.
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This is not a good idea.
A false rape charge will ruin your life.
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http://www.xvideos.com/video182374/rough_sex_scene_michael_douglas_and_jane_tripplehorn_from_basic_instinct_movie
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@ Doug1
Yeah I noticed that cuckolding is huge on these sites—which I find utterly revolting. And I would posit that most guys who are excited while watching/reading this cuckoldry stuff aren’t so much stimulated at the thought of their woman banging another man, but are turned on 1) by the graphic sexual descriptions of the woman’s body, and 2) by a desire to bang the woman themselves, thus putting her in her place. It’s really a rape instinct, the opposite of the feminine rape fantasy.
Bingo. I’ve made this argument myself elsewhere.
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@carlton grey
If it’s a girl, it will be fucking miserable and not even know why.
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@Doug1
My question is:
Who is the father?
I pray to Allah it’s Roissy
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“Dragnet, being dominated or raped by a woman is a pretty common male fantasy. Professional dominatrixes do very brisk business and get paid more than regular hookers. Lifestyle Dommes have no shortage of offers.”
This is ludicrous. There are probably fewer men that fantasize about this than there are men who fantasize about having sex with other men (i.e., homosexuals – another tiny sexual “niche” whose size and scope has been blown wildly out of proportion by the MSM).
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word.
just do it.
yum.
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Justin makes a good point, generally speaking women enjoy being overpowered during sex, and men like the feeling of domination during sex.
While its not my favorite, I think that’s the appeal of gangbang and bukkakke porn. It triggers a certain spot in the brain to see a girl that is sooo submissive that shes just letting everyone in the room have their way with her. Taken to the extreme, i guess thats the shiteating porn too.
As for fantasies where the male gets raped by the female, those guy’s game is probably so shitty, that they are just happy with the thought of a girl doing their work for them, and then spreading her legs. hahaha
–Overly aggressive/ man raping girls are ugly or become ugly real fast, ….and they’re usually manlike or really fat. I’ve found that even the easiest girls still need to be dominated in some way.
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re: Vincent Ignatius
Why would you wish such a horrible act upon Roissy? We men are the ones who don’t want to get raped.
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This post got me hot. Now can you do some more on spankings pretty please?
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“I suppose it’s another outlet for alphas, but socially, if it grows from it’s current I think very small numbers — socially just ugggh.”
Ugggh indeed. If there’s any greater expression of how pussified the American male has become, I’d love to hear it. I can’t fucking believe any male would put up with this nonsense regardless of “feminism” or “societal instructions”, etc. I did a quick google search and this rubbish appears to be more than just a “porn niche” – there are clubs revolving around it, “support groups”, instruction manuals for both sexes on how to “make it work”, people claiming it’s a “social movement”, etc. Horrifyingly, some of these “willing cuckold” situations appear to result in children being fathered by the “buck” and eagerly raised by the cuckold.
Who the fuck would allow this?
If this happened, what sort of family life would you live?
What about when you visit grandparents or other family members? Surely they don’t know this bullshit is going on…right? Mine would smack me upside the head and wonder if I’d lost it if I told them I was willingly going along with something like this.
It’s one thing to be secretly cuckolded, but willingly? Eagerly?
What the fuck has happened to us men?
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I think something close to all women who aren’t exclusively dom in nature (a tiny number) have these erotic rape by an alpha fantasies.
It’s just a question of how many admit it and to whom, or how deeply repressed they are about it and so don’t much admit it to themselves.
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Doug, you don’t have to pull punches with me. I’m a big girl, and I can take it.
As a sub, I’m only attractive to men capable of dominating me.
Those are very few.
Very, very few.
…but they do exist. They’re just not you.
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-between- the pages of the novels, eh, not -in- the pages?
i suppose this is where advocate diaboli steps in and says yeah, there’s money between the pages and that’s what works
… or g manifesto (where is he?) saying there’s lines of coca between the pages
—
although it’s foolish to think we would, either of the sexes, want to act out -all- of our fantasys. it’s like men who fantasise about pimping their partner, it gets them hard, but they know the real life version would be pure disaster
women know this about rape, too — they would absolutley want to be “raped” by alpha in a perfect fantasy world from what they could then disappear, but they know the reality is that rape is basically bailiwick of losers who can’t get layed the normal route.
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Omarion, what happened is the “open market”.
When people are left to their own without competent leadership and structure, they revert to their most primal nature.
Primates have hierarchy that allows the highest status males the most access to females. The lower ranking males only get to shag any females because the higher ranking males allow it.
Cuckolding as a sexual style, as opposed to in secret, is merely a kind of honest expression of this.
Yes, it is sad in my opinion, but so long as the participants are happy, I can’t really knock it. This isn’t by the way, what most submissive men are into. Most do what they do as single men or with someone other than their wife. Boundaries are respected, and discretion is part of the trust.
Most male subs just want to be with someone sometimes who will help them to let go, or who they can serve for fun. The bondage, pain play, and drill sergeant reminiscent verbal “abuse” is fun for them, not coming home and finding another dude banging their wife.
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From Robert Wright’s “The Moral Animal”:
“Actually, even going unpeacefully can involve a kind of choice. Female orangutans are a good example. They do often seem to exercise positive choice, favoring some males over others. But sometimes they resist a mating and are forcibly subdued and — insofar as this word can be applied to nonhumans — raped. There is evidence that the rapists, often adolescents, usually fail to impregnate. But suppose that they succeed with some regularity. Then a female, in sheerly Darwinian terms, is better off mating with a good rapist, a big, strong, sexually aggressive male; her male offspring will then be more likely to be big, strong, and sexually aggressive (assuming sexual aggressiveness varies at least in part because of genetic differences) — and therefore prolific. So female resistance should be favored by natural selection as a way to avoid having a son who is an inept rapist (assuming it doesn’t bring injury to the female).
“This isn’t to say that a female primate, her protests notwithstanding, “really wants it,” as human males have been known to assume. On the contrary, the more an orangutan “really wants it,” the less she’ll resist, and the less powerful a screening device her reticence will be. What natural selection “wants” and what any individual wants needn’t be the same, and in this case they’re somewhat at odds. The point is simply that, even when females demonstrate no clear preference for certain kinds of males, they may be, in practical terms, preferring a certain kind of male. And this de facto discretion may be de jure. It may be an adaptation, favored by natural selection precisely because it has this filtering effect.
“In the broadest sense, the same logic could apply in any primate species. Once females in general begin putting up the slightest resistance, then a female that puts up a little extra resistance is exhibiting a valuable trait. For whatever it takes to penetrate resistance, the sons of strong resisters are more likely to have it than the sons of weak resisters. (This assumes, again, that the relative possession by different males of “whatever it takes” reflects underlying genetic differences.) Thus, in sheerly Darwinian terms, coyness becomes its own reward. And this is true regardless of whether the male’s means of approach is physical or verbal.”
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omarion–
Ground zero for this willing cuckolding thing seems to be England.
The land most given to the code of male self sacrificing chivalry. (As well as being about as feminism ridden as the US.)
A coincidence?
I think not.
But I still think it’s very small. The web can make niche interests seem much bigger than they are, when you discover them and then look around. The question is will it grow much from here?
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And maybe that’s why we get the following result:
“The men, on average, responded genitally in what Chivers terms “category specific” ways. Males who identified themselves as straight swelled while gazing at heterosexual or lesbian sex and while watching the masturbating and exercising women. They were mostly unmoved when the screen displayed only men. Gay males were aroused in the opposite categorical pattern. Any expectation that the animal sex would speak to something primitive within the men seemed to be mistaken; neither straights nor gays were stirred by the bonobos. And for the male participants, the subjective ratings on the keypad matched the readings of the plethysmograph. The men’s minds and genitals were in agreement.
“All was different with the women. No matter what their self-proclaimed sexual orientation, they showed, on the whole, strong and swift genital arousal when the screen offered men with men, women with women and women with men. They responded objectively much more to the exercising woman than to the strolling man, and their blood flow rose quickly — and markedly, though to a lesser degree than during all the human scenes except the footage of the ambling, strapping man — as they watched the apes. And with the women, especially the straight women, mind and genitals seemed scarcely to belong to the same person. The readings from the plethysmograph and the keypad weren’t in much accord. ”
Mens’ minds and penises agree. Womens’ minds and vaginas disagree.
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…but the topic of the moment is female rape fantasies.
Most women do have them, I believe. One just has to be careful about opening that Pandora’s box.
Most of you men weren’t brought up like your fathers and grandfathers, and most women weren’t brought up like your moms and grandmothers.
Bear in mind that many states don’t require your partner to press charges if it’s found out that you’ve been doing things that are legally considered “abuse”.
Tread very carefully. If you can’t take the responsibility of dominance, short term or long term, don’t go there until you can. When you do, be very careful because when you put your hands on someone, you’re putting your reputation, your job, and your criminal record in theirs.
These kinds of activities should only be done by people who know that they know that they can trust each other. She may be the one in immediate danger, but you are also in danger if she’s a hoe or gets angry and decides she wants half and will screw you over to get it.
For this reason, it’s a good idea to have a community. Hook her up with some submissive female friends so she’ll have who to talk to, and you yourself should talk to experienced male Doms.
Yeah I’m fat, old, or whatever, but I’ve managed to do what I do with men and with women for a long time without getting arrested.
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Ha ha ha, not into paper tigers who like to speak in fragments?
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Nicole–
Because most wives would leave their husbands if they found out about his sexual submissiveness to women.
As well I seriously doubt that many of these sub men have good, much less very good, male penetrative sex w/their wives. Whatever lies are told. (Hiddenly) submissively giving her oral, now that could well be.
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As for rape charges, here’s the deal outside of campus codes of conduct.
1) Don’t do anything that actually could in her mind at the time be rape. Don’t go beyond what an anonymous poster early in this thread suggested can sometimes be really hot but stays on the good side of rape if you’ve somewhat misread things (or she changes her mind.)
2) don’t completely tell the complete detailed truth to e.g. your friends or certainly the cops. Tell most of the truth (extensive lies will trip you up, cops are expert at that or detectives are, and aren’t at all necessary) but bear in mind how unfairly feminist this environment is. If she moaned nos, say she moaned yeses. (If she gives clear and cold or angry or scared nos, back off immediately of course.) Say she moaned yes while you held her wrists if she has scratches etc. or you don’t know and are afraid she might.
I.e. I’m saying don’t give them things to twist. As well be able to explain what her motivations might be for lying about it being rape. e.g. you weren’t very nice to her afterwards. (Of course you should be nice to her after. Try to let girls down easily.) But it’s good to point such possible motivations out if you get questioned.
The risks really aren’t nearly as great off campus as some make them out to be. The cops won’t arrest you most likely. If they do you’ll get bail. The DA isn’t going forward w/this kind of case and charges will be dropped.
Live prudently but not in fear.
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right on!!!
I’m going to wear my zorro mask to the club from now on.
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Nicole
*ahem*
Yes indeed, very few male doms are supremely alpha enough for hottie Nicole.
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@ Nicole
I’m not totally ripping on the idea that a guy might just want to switch it up now and again. I mean, every time a guy lets his girl ride cowgirl or does a 69 with her on top, on some level he’s being sub. And that’s totally fine.
But “pain play”, and letting some woman put a dildo in your ass?? I’m sorry but that’s worse than omega as far as I’m concerned. I really can’t find anything stimulating about that.
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Dragnet–
Those things esp. cowgirl don’t feel submissive to me. I mean I’ve probably got my hands on her tits or ass or waist. Maybe I’m twisting her nipple …
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nicole writes, “Most male subs just want to be with someone sometimes who will help them to let go, or who they can serve for fun. The bondage, pain play, and drill sergeant reminiscent verbal “abuse” is fun for them, not coming home and finding another dude banging their wife.”
who the fuck r u psychos?? lzozlzlzlzlzl pain play? wtf?
is everyone here writing 4 teh weekly stanhdard or what?
lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
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Ahhhh, the nerds are on the internet debating rape fantasy.
First off, for all you thin wristed betas, any man who rapes a woman is alpha, period. The thought that a beta could physically pull off the violence to subdue, undress and penetrate an adult woman is silly. They can’t even hold eye contact at the copy machine.
Throughout history we’ve had wars fought by alpha males, and the victor of those wars earned the right to rape the defeated armies women. What could be more powerful to a woman than the psychological play of a superior male shooting big loads into her.
I know a hottie who’s fantasy is that a man would approach her BF, beat him um, then take her by the arm and drag her away to rape her. I asked her if it mattered hat the guy looked like. She said not at all, he doesn’t even have a face in her fantasy. The only thing that matters is a male at that level of dominance donating his seed.
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The hard core of this issue could be boiled down to a simple question: With any particular girl, where is her sweet-spot with regard to pain and fear? That is, exactly how much pain plus how much fear is needed to create for her “we have ignition – lift off!!” – without you getting arrested afterwards?
I mean, some kinds of bruises and swellings are hard to explain to hyper-sensitive emergency-room personel and their cop fuck-buddies they have on speed dial.
If you are sure you will never have to explain anything to anybody (like if you live in Zambia) making a girl go off like a roman candle would be as simple as adjusting a wheel-bearing. You just crank it until it locks up and then you back-off a bit. Grade school wisdom. In sex terms, that mean just twist and stretch their parts until you see un-mistakeable signs of panic in their eyes – and then back-off a little bit. You cannot miss that way if all you care about is making her think of you for the rest of her life whenever she cums for any reason at all.
OTOH, she could have you arrested.
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Dragnet, you’re welcome to your opinion. I don’t share it, but you’re welcome to it.
Nothing I tell you here can change your mind. You’ll have to meet a guy who is basically a player and physically attractive who occasionally goes to see a woman who will tie him up and beat him like a bad boy should be beaten. 😉
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This ties into how women like to call men Daddy during sex. The power differential between father and daughter is a turn on to them, not that girls ever fantasize about their actual Dad….
..or do they? I\’m wondering how common it is for girls fantasize about their Dad. Of course, he would probably have to be very attractive to overcome the natural repulsion. An old, beer belly, stained t-shirt wearing father isn\’t going to cut it, but a young alpha dad?
Roissy should do a post about this and broach the last taboo. Not that any girls in the comments would actually admit to this fantasy.
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Rum, this is why trust is important.
I do think however, that it is incredibly naive of me to think that anybody here gives two shits about a woman’s personality.
I just had to put that out there as a kind of disclaimer.
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Do women who have experienced genuine forcible rape (i.e., by unwanted partner, especially a stranger) have less incidence of rape fantasies thereafter (as compared to the average woman) More? I wonder. Would be an interesting study, if it could be done without bias or agenda.
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Nicole–
I never have and I’ve got some mileage on me.
As well he tells you he’s a player, or words/stories to that effect.
Being a player requires a degree of (usually playful) psychological dominance.
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Johnny Depp is too short and not fantasy material. Gabriel Aubry, on the other hand…wowsers!!!
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Great Books Forum:
You are fucking annoying. I hope you get raped by a gang of wild dogs. lozozlleleellr
Or better yet, you get raped by the gang from the Weekly Standard! lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
How about Bill Crystal fucking you in the ass while Fred Barnes blows a load in your mouth! lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
And then a video of it will be posted at Fox news!!! lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
I want to see every Neo-Conservative line up to gang bang you, and then you can write about it in a Neo-Conservative Romance novel. lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
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Really all danger to men of false rape changes due to “kinky sex”, i.e. heavy dominant sex, are within the last decade or so due to the radical feminist hysteria on the subject.
Before then as soon as cops learned she was into kinky sex and that the pair had a prior consensual sexual history, they became very skeptical of rape accusations. They’d tend to think it was at most miscommunication. I’m not talking ancient history here. D/s kinds of sex came way more out into the open and understood by urban cops from the 70s to sometime in the 90s. That’s when radical feminist date rape hysteria and vast misinformation, and campaigns to define down rape standards got going.
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Rape fantasies are also a way for women to fantasize about having sex without having any moral responsibility for allowing it. I remember encountering this particular kind of rape fantasy in the work of Canadian short story writer Alice Munro. Rape fantasies are not just the province of lowgrade hackwork.
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“Great Books Forum:
You are fucking annoying. I hope you get raped by a gang of wild dogs. lozozlleleellr
Or better yet, you get raped by the gang from the Weekly Standard! lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
How about Bill Crystal fucking you in the ass while Fred Barnes blows a load in your mouth! lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
And then a video of it will be posted at Fox news!!! lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl
I want to see every Neo-Conservative line up to gang bang you, and then you can write about it in a Neo-Conservative Romance novel. lzozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzl”
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you are giving charlotte allen gina tingles with your tucker max story!!! just as long as the anal sex is filmed without everyone’s consent like tucker max does it, then it will pass the neocon’s muster and just as long as everyone lies about their heights like tucker max does llozozozlzlzl then it all be good and be published and promoted in the [pages of the weekly standard lzozlzlzllz. throw in some blood-sucking monster vampires undead satanic creatures for the neconos to say “oh they’re just misunderstood and it is great to have young women falling for undead vampires wearing makeup lzozllz” and you’ll have a hit on your hands!
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I’ve recently read the Red Queen Hypothesis. In it, the author details the mating practices of a variety of animals. In some animals, for instance Gorillas, a single alpha male controls a harem of females. When this alpha male gets deposed, the females happily mate with the new alpha.
I spent a couple of minutes wondering what that kind of morality would look like from the inside – specifically what emotional drivers would it take for the female gorillas to find the new male attractive. I think all it really requires is that you find the exercise of physical power attractive. We’re not that far removed from Gorillas, so I wondered whether human females could ever do a similar thing. I guess they could…
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^^^ yeah mark i guess they could.
this is why the neocons banned homer’s odyssey:
“”Alcinous,” answered Ulysses, “there is a time for making speeches,
and a time for going to bed; nevertheless, since you so desire, I
will not refrain from telling you the still sadder tale of those of
my comrades who did not fall fighting with the Trojans, but perished
on their return, through the treachery of a wicked woman.
“When Proserpine had dismissed the female ghosts in all directions,
the ghost of Agamemnon son of Atreus came sadly up tome, surrounded
by those who had perished with him in the house of Aegisthus. As soon
as he had tasted the blood he knew me, and weeping bitterly stretched
out his arms towards me to embrace me; but he had no strength nor
substance any more, and I too wept and pitied him as I beheld him.
‘How did you come by your death,’ said I, ‘King Agamemnon? Did Neptune
raise his winds and waves against you when you were at sea, or did
your enemies make an end of you on the mainland when you were cattle-lifting
or sheep-stealing, or while they were fighting in defence of their
wives and city?’
“‘Ulysses,’ he answered, ‘noble son of Laertes, was not lost at sea
in any storm of Neptune’s raising, nor did my foes despatch me upon
the mainland, but Aegisthus and my wicked wife were the death of me
between them. He asked me to his house, feasted me, and then butchered
me most miserably as though I were a fat beast in a slaughter house,
while all around me my comrades were slain like sheep or pigs for
the wedding breakfast, or picnic, or gorgeous banquet of some great
nobleman. You must have seen numbers of men killed either in a general
engagement, or in single combat, but you never saw anything so truly
pitiable as the way in which we fell in that cloister, with the mixing-bowl
and the loaded tables lying all about, and the ground reeking with
our-blood. I heard Priam’s daughter Cassandra scream as Clytemnestra
killed her close beside me. I lay dying upon the earth with the sword
in my body, and raised my hands to kill the slut of a murderess, but
she slipped away from me; she would not even close my lips nor my
eyes when I was dying, for there is nothing in this world so cruel
and so shameless as a woman when she has fallen into such guilt as
hers was. Fancy murdering her own husband! I thought I was going to
be welcomed home by my children and my servants, but her abominable
crime has brought disgrace on herself and all women who shall come
after- even on the good ones.’
“And I said, ‘In truth Jove has hated the house of Atreus from first
to last in the matter of their women’s counsels. See how many of us
fell for Helen’s sake, and now it seems that Clytemnestra hatched
mischief against too during your absence.’
“‘Be sure, therefore,’ continued Agamemnon, ‘and not be too friendly
even with your own wife. Do not tell her all that you know perfectly
well yourself. Tell her a part only, and keep your own counsel about
the rest. Not that your wife, Ulysses, is likely to murder you, for
Penelope is a very admirable woman, and has an excellent nature” lolzlzlzllzlzlzlz
penelopes are rare!!!
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^^^ yeah mark i guess they could.
and this is why the neocons banned hamlet:
HORATIO
My lord, I came to see your father’s funeral.
HAMLET
I pray thee, do not mock me, fellow-student;
I think it was to see my mother’s wedding.
HORATIO
Indeed, my lord, it follow’d hard upon.
HAMLET
Thrift, thrift, Horatio! the funeral baked meats
Did coldly furnish forth the marriage tables.
Would I had met my dearest foe in heaven
Or ever I had seen that day, Horatio!
My father!–methinks I see my father.
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^^^ yeah mark i guess they could.
and this is also why the neocons banned hamlet and repalced it with tucker max butthex:
HAMLET
Are you fair?
OPHELIA
What means your lordship?
HAMLET
That if you be honest and fair, your honesty should
admit no discourse to your beauty.
OPHELIA
Could beauty, my lord, have better commerce than
with honesty?
HAMLET
Ay, truly; for the power of beauty will sooner
transform honesty from what it is to a bawd than the
force of honesty can translate beauty into his
likeness: this was sometime a paradox, but now the
time gives it proof. I did love you once.
OPHELIA
Indeed, my lord, you made me believe so.
HAMLET
You should not have believed me; for virtue cannot
so inoculate our old stock but we shall relish of
it: I loved you not.
OPHELIA
I was the more deceived.
HAMLET
Get thee to a nunnery: why wouldst thou be a
breeder of sinners? I am myself indifferent honest;
but yet I could accuse me of such things that it
were better my mother had not borne me: I am very
proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offences at
my beck than I have thoughts to put them in,
imagination to give them shape, or time to act them
in. What should such fellows as I do crawling
between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves,
all; believe none of us. Go thy ways to a nunnery.
Where’s your father?
OPHELIA
At home, my lord.
HAMLET
Let the doors be shut upon him, that he may play the
fool no where but in’s own house. Farewell.
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^^^ yeah mark i guess women could do that. this is why the neconons banned hamlet and repalced him with butthexbutthex butthex and vampires and secretive tapings of butthex:
hamlet gets on his mom’s case for fucking the man who killed his father:
QUEEN GERTRUDE
What have I done, that thou darest wag thy tongue
In noise so rude against me?
HAMLET
Such an act
That blurs the grace and blush of modesty,
Calls virtue hypocrite, takes off the rose
From the fair forehead of an innocent love
And sets a blister there, makes marriage-vows
As false as dicers’ oaths: O, such a deed
As from the body of contraction plucks
The very soul, and sweet religion makes
A rhapsody of words: heaven’s face doth glow:
Yea, this solidity and compound mass,
With tristful visage, as against the doom,
Is thought-sick at the act.
QUEEN GERTRUDE
Ay me, what act,
That roars so loud, and thunders in the index?
HAMLET
Look here, upon this picture, and on this,
The counterfeit presentment of two brothers.
See, what a grace was seated on this brow;
Hyperion’s curls; the front of Jove himself;
An eye like Mars, to threaten and command;
A station like the herald Mercury
New-lighted on a heaven-kissing hill;
A combination and a form indeed,
Where every god did seem to set his seal,
To give the world assurance of a man:
This was your husband. Look you now, what follows:
Here is your husband; like a mildew’d ear,
Blasting his wholesome brother. Have you eyes?
Could you on this fair mountain leave to feed,
And batten on this moor? Ha! have you eyes?
You cannot call it love; for at your age
The hey-day in the blood is tame, it’s humble,
And waits upon the judgment: and what judgment
Would step from this to this? Sense, sure, you have,
Else could you not have motion; but sure, that sense
Is apoplex’d; for madness would not err,
Nor sense to ecstasy was ne’er so thrall’d
But it reserved some quantity of choice,
To serve in such a difference. What devil was’t
That thus hath cozen’d you at hoodman-blind?
Eyes without feeling, feeling without sight,
Ears without hands or eyes, smelling sans all,
Or but a sickly part of one true sense
Could not so mope.
O shame! where is thy blush? Rebellious hell,
If thou canst mutine in a matron’s bones,
To flaming youth let virtue be as wax,
And melt in her own fire: proclaim no shame
When the compulsive ardour gives the charge,
Since frost itself as actively doth burn
And reason panders will.
QUEEN GERTRUDE
O Hamlet, speak no more:
Thou turn’st mine eyes into my very soul;
And there I see such black and grained spots
As will not leave their tinct.
HAMLET
Nay, but to live
In the rank sweat of an enseamed bed,
Stew’d in corruption, honeying and making love
Over the nasty sty,–
QUEEN GERTRUDE
O, speak to me no more;
These words, like daggers, enter in mine ears;
No more, sweet Hamlet!
HAMLET
A murderer and a villain;
A slave that is not twentieth part the tithe
Of your precedent lord; a vice of kings;
A cutpurse of the empire and the rule,
That from a shelf the precious diadem stole,
And put it in his pocket!
QUEEN GERTRUDE
No more!
HAMLET
A king of shreds and patches,–
Enter Ghost
Save me, and hover o’er me with your wings,
You heavenly guards! What would your gracious figure?
QUEEN GERTRUDE
Alas, he’s mad!
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Humans operate quite differently from chimps and gorilla’s. Mating selection is rather different, because the females display their fertility very obviously their sexual selection is less of a factor. Males will gather around the fertile females and compete much more directly to fertilize them, in short it really doesn’t matter who they want to mate with, the males will decide among themselves one way or another, status jockeying, displaying, violence etc. likewise when the females are not fertile they will recieve little to no attention from the males. Female primates have relatively little mating power as compared to humans, they certainly don’t recieve anywhere near the paternal investment, hence why 1 male can monopolize the females, not because he can provide for them all, but because defending his mating rights from other males is all that is required.
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I’m going to write a Harlequin romance about a Harlequin Baby
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yes one difference between hunmans and chimps is that the neocon chimps never replaced the bible’s message with tuckermax butthex stories lzozlzlzlzlzlzl
3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
3:9
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
3:10
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
3:11
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
3:12
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
3:13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
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^^^^^ hey mark i reckon women humans and women goirillas can both take to the new man rather easily lzozlzlzlz
here’s a passage from teh most quoted/produced/performed play of all time which the necons do not wnat you to read lozlzlzl–HAMLET. instead they want u to read tuckermax butthex stories loslslosslslososlsl
Let me not think on’t–Frailty, thy name is woman!–
A little month, or ere those shoes were old
With which she follow’d my poor father’s body,
Like Niobe, all tears:–why she, even she–
O, God! a beast, that wants discourse of reason,
Would have mourn’d longer–married with my uncle,
My father’s brother, but no more like my father
Than I to Hercules: within a month:
Ere yet the salt of most unrighteous tears
Had left the flushing in her galled eyes,
She married. O, most wicked speed, to post
With such dexterity to incestuous sheets!
It is not nor it cannot come to good:
But break, my heart; for I must hold my tongue.
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GBFM,
Interesting choice. Hamlet demonstrates how to rape a woman’s soul, which drives her to madness and self-destruction.
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^^^^^^ hey mark i really wish you dipshits would get around to readin some callssical lietrture instead of neocn butthex stories lzozlzlzlzllzlzlzlzllz
“I hope nothing valuable may have
been taken from the house in spite of you, but you know what women
are- they always want to do the best they can for the man who marries
them, and never give another thought to the children of their first
husband, nor to their father either when he is dead and done with.” –homer’s odyssey BOOK XV
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Anon,
I think in these cases you are likely dealing with some major PTSD and anxiety issues. The perpetrator is frequently a psychopath (or a family member). The chances for the girl to be killed are high. It’s like one of these stories on the news: a cute girl, good student went jogging to that park by that lake and has been missing for a few days. We all know she is dead.
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Greatbooksformen,
NeoCon Charlotte Allen pays TuckerMax, who lies about his height, for buttsex with Bernake’s neo-con fiat money stolen by divorce lawyers from our real heros in Iraq, to be videotaped and broadcast live on FoxNews?
I wonder what Charlotte Allen’s safeword is? JohnBolton?
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lozlzlzlzlz all the talk of butthex nd articles lauding tucker max isnpired me 2 add a new post:
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/answering-mrk-from-roissy-in-dcs-blog-lzozlzlzlzlz-what-a-dumbass-who-never-read-his-hoper-shakespeare-bible-lolzlzlzlzlzlz-lolllzers-bt-only-the-pop-psy-red-queen-hypothesiss/
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I agree with Nicole in terms of establishing trust and that playing out a rape scenario like roissy described could be incredibly hot. Yes, it can be very hot. There has to be a lot of trust, however, and this is for the safety of both of you.
Although male aren’t generally outright submissive in the sexual sense, they aren’t nearly enough comfortable being dominant or even leading to meet the demand on it. This is actually also to some extent true in a non-emasculated society. At any one time, there will be more men submitting to the dominion of a woman sexlessly in a relationship than those holding dominance over a woman.
On roissy’s post:
**It’s true. Romance novels, read almost entirely by women, are flush full of rape fantasies. **
I think roissy is out of date. The majority of modern romantic fiction is not chock full of rape fantasies. This was true in the 70s or 80s, which is when he seemed to have checked it out.
Also, the writers of romance are usually women around middle age or older, just like the target audiences and biggest consumers. Not always, but mostly. These women have different perspectives, both generational and hormonal.
Now the rape fantasy is going to be more true for a woman in a conservative society than one in a liberal society. The reasons for this are multifarious, but to summarise:
— guilt and absolving responsibility
— sex is not talked about socially, except in the context of violent stories to e.g. warn girls about men or associating with them. However, talking about sex still creates a pleasure association. If the only exposure to sex is negative then that’s what the feeling is coupled with.
— socialised gender roles
However, being real life raped as a conservative woman? That’s much more likely to result in her being traumatised, wanting to kill herself, feeling ashamed and so on. It’s not a positive experience.
Interesting dichotomy.
** Women’s fantasies, like men’s fantasies, provide a window into a wished-for reality where all options are available, all choice catered to, all desires quenched. Rape fantasy, despite the protestations to the contrary of the “fantasy is different than reality” crowd, is as much a reflection of real female desire as any other form of sexual fantasy.**
Now especially modernly, you need to establish whether she has these fantasies or not. What’s really common is liking it rough and dominant. What’s not as common is rape.
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How is it that rape fantasy is the one glaring exception to the reality-reflection rule?
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Rape fantasy is a complex fantasy. It has mixed emotions. Women may not experience it all, some will enact the positive and erotic, some will enact the negative (possibly due to previous experiences) and aversive and some will enact different shades of these.
SPOILER WARNING
There was this episode of House once, featuring a couple enacting a scene much like roissy described. She ended up murdering him. It was a rare episode where the motivations weren’t quite explained. I wondered if it was meant to be somehow self-evident and I couldn’t understand it or perhaps it’s propaganda or a subtle warning by the show.
Doug:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/play-rape/#comment-168620
Oh, hell yeah 😉 I definitely knew who that was. Sexy son of a gun!
**But he could be forbidden as well because he’s from a nation hers is at war with. **
A little applicable, no? That’s just the start of it, however.
Anonymous:
**The thought that a beta could physically pull off the violence to subdue, undress and penetrate an adult woman is silly. **
You don’t get betas. I got darned close to that happening with a stranger and the first thing he said to me was ‘Please can I have a hug?’ and closely followed by ‘I’m homeless. I’ve got nowhere to go’: generally trying to make me feel sorry for him to get contact. Then he turned violent.
It would’ve happened if there wasn’t anyone that would come if I called for help.
Feeling the need to use violence to get what you want ain’t an alpha quality. Not in the human context.
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Meanwhile in Australia
1) Women vote a L@ban!se M*slim actor / gangster bachelor of the year
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/firass-dirani-is-cleo-bachelor-of-the-year-20100428-tsk2.html?autostart=1
2) After spending that last 10 years getting r@ped by L@ban!se M*slim gangsters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes
http://www.smh.com.au/news/book-reviews/girls-like-you/2006/08/15/1155407792829.html
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I figure this out decades ago. Here’s a snippet from a story I wrote to impress a chick, let me know if you want the juicy parts :
She reached in the car and grabbed the keys, rolled up the windows and locked the doors. In the late summer warmth it seemd ok without her sweatshirt, so she put on her sunglasses and started up the road.
After about twenty minutes she started to crest a long hill that had inched slowly under her feet. She paused to catch her breath, looking back at her car, now getting tiny in the distance. The wind breezed stronger, cooling her pleasantly. Clouds raced past.
Not wanting to get caught by another shower she hiked on, hoping to make it to town in an hour. Another hill passed beneath her feet.
The sky darkened again, she picked up the pace. And in another sudden flash she was drenched by the clouds, the rain soaking her to the skin. The shock of cold made her gasp. Water poured off her. Just as suddenly the clouds gave way and the sun brightened her. Strange weather she muttered, musing over the predicament her desire for adventure had now gotten her into.
“Could only be a little farther” she thought. But the road was dark with trees, and no houses were to be seen. Might as well finish she decided, and proceeded onward.
The sun beat down now, promising to dry her before she appeared in town like a wet puppy dog. She brightened on seeing some people on horseback ahead. They disappeared into the woods. She walked briskly to catch them, finally reaching the trail head and walking into the pines, sure that they could give her the final directions. But no riders appeared. She trotted a ways up the dusty path , hopeful they were nearby.
She was startled by the sudden appearance of tall horses and men in her path. She backed up as the rough looking men held the animals in front of her. They were staring, smiling, lustful. She crossed her arms, realizing her shirt was still soaked, clearly showing her bra and dark nipples to the brazen men.
She was afraid, and felt foolish now for having come up the trail after these brutes. She turned to walk back to the road, and the men trotted aside and behind, taunting her with rude comments. Her ears stung with rage. One man pulled his horse in front of her, she stopped and moved in another direction, only to be blocked by another. She broke away and ran, the men laughing as she tore down the trail. She ran into the trees, hoping to lose them.
Her foot snagged a branch and she fell into the pine needles, a button tearing from her shirt. Standing up panting, she clutched her sweat and rain soaked blouse to her chest as the men easily caught up with and surrounded her. She felt helpless, terrified.
Several of the men got off their steeds and approached her. One grabbed her by the arms and pulled her close – screaming, she tried to pull away, but his strong hands held her like a vice. Then he pulled her face to his, and she nearly fainted as he planted his mouth on her own.
One of the other men, a tall muscular brute with long dark hair, yanked her free from him and she stumbled back into the dust, catching her fall with her hands as she hit the ground sitting. The two men faced each other snarling.
“I’m first with her , you’ll just have to wait ” the tall one growled.
“That’s what you think Jake”, said the other, swinging his fist to strike, narrowly missing Jake’s face. He pulled his fists up and they squared off.
Jill looked around her as the men menaced each other. Three other cowboys stood around them, arms folded, amused. She was trapped. Clutching her torn shirt tightly to her chest, she looked up at the two belligerents, terrified at her fate, fearful of their beastly intentions.
Jake shot his fist out and caught his companion in the gut. He doubled over, groaning in pain, then lunged forward and grabbed Jake’s ankles and yanked his feet out – as Jake hit the ground, he pounced on top of him, swinging his fists, smacking Jake hard in the chest and face. Jill gasped as blood stained Jake’s cheek.
But Jake managed to swing his arm free, shoving the man off him. He jumped to his feet, and his opponent leapt at him again, punching him still more, each thud punctuating the forest stillness, the men’s heavy panting and grunts mixing as they fought savagely. Finally Jake had the best of his opponent, swinging his fist hard at the man’s face and head till he dropped to the ground, bloody. He stayed there on his hands and knees, gasping. Jake stood over him, arms flexed, fists doubled, breathing deep and furious.
Now Jake turned and faced Jill, his chest still heaving, nostrils flared. He looked like a superb savage animal, his broad thick muscles straining his torn and bloody shirt. Jill stared wide-eyed with shock and fear, hoping this man wouldn’t harm her. As she trembled on the ground she noticed his handsome, masculine face, his flashing blue eyes raking her body lustfully. He smiled at her in a way that somehow reassured her, despite the brutal way situation she was in. Perhaps he would protect her from the others, she hoped to herself.
He walked over and pulled her off the ground, his thick fingers gripping her arm as he half-dragged her toward his horse. She fell weak against the horse’s shoulder. He leaped into the saddle, then reached down and effortlessly pulled her up, swinging her leg over the saddle and planting her in front of him. She went limp and drooped forward, catching herself on the horse’s neck. Reaching his arm across her chest he pulled her back, and she slumped into him.
“Wait for me at the camp” he told the others as he guided the horse into the trees.
Jill and her captor moved quickly into the forest, her ass boucing on his hardened crotch with each step of the horse. While he deftly guided the reigns with his left hand, the other grabbed her blouse and pulled it slowly out of her pants. She shuddered as her energy collapsed into her abdomen, then gasped as Jake’s thick hand slid across her stomach and beneath the damp bra cup…her nipple throbbing to erection when his hot muscular fingers gently cupped her breast. She arched her back, driving her breasts into his grip, unable to keep from reacting in animal instinct, grinding her ass on his mound. She felt betrayed by her own body.
“Don’t…don’t hurt me” she half uttered, weak. His face nuzzled her neck and ears, burning her flesh.
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^^^^^^ omg pls let’s not post our own butthex stories and kill this blog dude
let us post shakepseare and hemlt and homer and da bible pls thanx
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Girls definitely dig rough sex, and Roissy is right to say that it gratifies their deep-wired need to submit to raw power. A lot of them dig pain in the process, too. I dated a girl who couldn’t get enough rough stuff. I remember one night she was moaning and yelling, “Gimme 12 and make it hurt!” So I gave her my six inches twice and hit her with a rock. She squirted.
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Yer kidding me. This guy posts explicit gradue about roguring bar skanks and you say my writing is sub-classic?
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This reminds me of how girls like to be called Daddy during sex. The idea of the father-daughter power differential turns them on. Not that they fantasize about having sex with their actual Dads…
..or do they? I’m wondering how common this fantasy is. Of course the Dad would have to be very attractive to overcome the natural repulsion. He can’t be an old, beer belly, stained t-shirt wearing guy.
Roissy should do a post on this and broach the last taboo! I think it’s the only thing left he’s yet to tackle. Although, I doubt any girls would admit to it even if they did actually have a Dad fantasy or two.
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I mean that guys like to be called Daddy during sex. Not girls. lol. Although I’m sure that exists out there too.
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Roissy,
are you out of your fucking mind?
Use a knife? A ski mask? This would upset a lot of women. If you get men to do this, you have done a very bad thing.
I would not like this.
[editor: well, remember, she’s supposed to know it’s you. the knife then becomes a role play prop.]
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What time is it? “Time to fuck”.
http://community.livejournal.com/vintage_ads/1903658.html#cutid1
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women don’t fantasize about being grabbed by a schvuggie and raped in the elevator
a distinction has to be made between rape–an icky complete stranger in a parking lot grabbing a women looking for her car
and ravishment–a hot studly pirate holding a princess hostage and turning her on in captivity until he works his will on her
also, re: safe words–turns pretend male dominance that’s really being done to entertain the woman into female dominance by giving her the power to call it off
phony bullshit. there are no “safe words” to a real dominant male
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Some more possible ways to take advantage of this common fantasy (Roissy’s suggestion is great assuming you are already in a relationship, but I’m talking about jump-starting one when you haven’t yet gotten in the sack and want the first time to be memorable):
Take her to a movie with a rough seduction scene, and say “would that work with you?” Any answer is good, it’s just to plant the thought.
Confession game; after saying you have a confession to make, acting sort of embarrassed until she teases it out of you, say you have this fantasy of being a rapist, and while you would never do it in real life you have a secret vice of reading the curly-type trashy novels for the “ravishing” scenes. “It can’t be such a bad fantasy, if these novels sell then women must have it too, right?” This is a good way to smoke out the feminist harpies, they will be horrified and you’ll save youself time.
When you are in a favorable physical position, immobilize her for couple of seconds and say “I’ll bet it will take you more than 10 seconds to escape.” When she starts struggling count loudly to 10 while using just enough force to win. (If you can’t actually control her physically without hurting her you need to use a different approach.) Next time you play the game, use more force than necessary (just enough to cause the tiniest amount of pain), observe reaction, calibrate, repeat.
“I’ll bet you’re more ticklish than I am”. She almost always will be, men have more stoicism.
(Jokingly, after the subject of BDSM arises through your subtle maneuvering): “Pick a safe word for us, you never know….” and if she doesn’t then tell her your own favorite (“banana” is good). Much later in the evening escalate relentlessly until she begins to seem upset, then say “you know, if you can’t remember the word, I’m not going to give you any hints”….if she is upset, sit back and shrug it off “I guess you never played this game before”, but if she relaxes then she’s figured it out and you can go right ahead. (If she actually says the word, stop immediately and say “you remembered!” with approving condescension.)
etc.
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http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/23/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women/
Two weeks ago, on a Monday morning, I started to write what I thought was a very clever editorial about violence against women in Haiti. The case, I believed, was being overstated by women’s organizations in need of additional resources. Ever committed to preserving the dignity of Black men in a world which constantly stereotypes them as violent savages, I viewed this writing as yet one more opportunity to fight “the man” on behalf of my brothers. That night, before I could finish the piece, I was held on a rooftop in Haiti and raped repeatedly by one of the very men who I had spent the bulk of my life advocating for.
It hurt. The experience was almost more than I could bear. I begged him to stop. Afraid he would kill me, I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care that I was a Malcolm X scholar. He told me to shut up, and then slapped me in the face. Overpowered, I gave up fighting halfway through the night.
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Uncle Elmer
Your story was not very good! Please don’t be offended. I couldn’t make it to the end. Sorry! No where near as amaaaazing as Roissy’s writing. Some of his posts make me feel kind of funny inside.
Learn from him. Grow. And try again! 😀
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Are you the same Dana that Vincent fucked?
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Yes, women have rape fantasies. Yes, they want to actually enact them. Yes, it will blow your mind what they want done to them, and what they’ll let you do.
But PLEASE guys, be careful with this. The laws are stacked against you and even if she consented she could still lie to the police and Bubba could have your ass for his personal rape fantasy.
I have made women sign a consent form like some people in the BDSM scene do. There is lots of info online on that issue if u interested.
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@King Mob
“Two weeks ago, on a Monday morning, I started to write what I thought was a very clever editorial about violence against women in Haiti. The case, I believed, was being overstated by women’s organizations in need of additional resources. Ever committed to preserving the dignity of Black men in a world which constantly stereotypes them as violent savages, I viewed this writing as yet one more opportunity to fight “the man” on behalf of my brothers. That night, before I could finish the piece, I was held on a rooftop in Haiti and raped repeatedly by one of the very men who I had spent the bulk of my life advocating for.
It hurt. The experience was almost more than I could bear. I begged him to stop. Afraid he would kill me, I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care that I was a Malcolm X scholar. He told me to shut up, and then slapped me in the face. Overpowered, I gave up fighting halfway through the night.”
Posts like this make me go a big rubbery one. As Paris Hilton said “That’s hot.”
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“All women love semi-rape. They love to be taken. It was his sweet brutality against my bruised body that had made his act of love so piercingly wonderful.”
–Ian Fleming, “The Spy Who Loved Me” (1962).
A quote from a more honest age.
“He” is of course James Bond, alpha male. “The Spy Who Loved Me” is a short story featuring James Bond but narrated by a woman, and I think shows a surprising amount of insight into female sexual psychology. Guess Ian Fleming had game.
I think Fleming’s term “SEMI-rape” is a good way of describing what Roissy is getting at in his post. Meaning coercive sex by an alpha she wants in some sense anyway. Whereas coercive sex by a beta loser would be “rape-rape”, to use Whoopi’s memorable phrase.
See also “Blade Runner” at around 1hour 8min in the “Final Cut” edition for a semi-coercive scene that I don’t think would make it into a Hollywood movie today.
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All hetero guys would do well to read three or four romance novels. It’s like opening up women’s brains and seeing what’s really inside there.
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This is not meant as a reply to GBFM because he’s obvously a fool, but to present the real Ayn Rand to those unfamiliar with her work and views.
Rand did not “glorify” rape. GBFM is referring to the first sexual encounter btwn Howard Roark and Dominique Francon in THE FOUNTAINHEAD. As Rand herself explained, “If this is rape, it’s rape by engraved invitation.”
Rand also did not “glorify” abortion. She did think a woman had the right to control her body and that included carrying a fetus to term. You may disagree but that is not glorifying the right or the act. Also, that she herself had an abortion no doubt had someting to do with her view of the subject.
As for Reagan, if she had lived longer and saw that he was pretty much responsible for destroying the Soviet Union she would have appreciated his greatness.
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the B in JohnnyB stands for butthex–that would be having butthex with ayn rand from beyond teh grave whence she tells hims what she really thought when she came out against reagan, and exalted abortion and rape.
how’s the butthex with ayn rand?
JohnnyB–“if this is anal rape, it’s anal rape by engraved invitation.” lozlzzllzlzlzlzlz !!!
what a fucking fanboy. have you noticed that the internet is filled with fanboys raised by single mothers who go wahahahah whahahaha whhahahahahah but ayn rand likes bu7tthex!!!
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hey johnny butthex fanboy fucktard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0yUjMklVuI
1980 – Rand did not endorse or vote for any candidate. She continued to oppose Reagan and his “mixture of capitalism and religion,” calling him “the representative of the worst kind of conservatism.”[*]
–http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/bio/biofaq.html
Rand hated Reagan because he was pro-life and pro-crhistian fucky fucktard fanboy butthexer.
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Fountainhead was a piece of shit justifying the alpha cock searching acts of a woman who doesn’t give a shit once the man loses his alpha credentials.
And “sexual encounter”? lol yeah quite an encounter all right, with Ms. Dominique being so fulfilled with the bruises she got that she couldn’t even get back on her feet.
Humongous piece of garbage glorifying rape.
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Ayn Rand did not have an abortion. That’s pure nonsense.
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That wasn’t the only scene of romantic date-rape that Rand wrote. Dagny Taggart, the female protagonist in “Atlas Shrugged” has an romantic date rape with Sam Rearden, who was as I remember, about twice her age.
lozzzlzlzl
ayn rand hated
1. one of the greatest leaders of the free world
2. the unborn
3. not raping women
lzozzllzlzlzlz and johnnyb craves butthex with her lzolzlzllz
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One bit of advice when you engage in rape fantasy sex with a girl. And especially w/pushing the boundaries sex that just to the good side of rape w/a new or newish girl. Then this is REALLY important advice.
You DO NOT want to be a cold no feelings jerk with her afterwards.
She may well be processing just what happened to her afterwards. It was amazing but maybe in these feminist days also forebrain troubling to her.
I’m not saying to act all beta solicitous to her after, asking if she’s alright, etc. God no. But I am say if she’s all emotional and one way or another she’s likely to be, be her calmly soothing rock to her. Treat her then like you have tender feelings for her even if you don’t much (though you probably will right then at least). Not necessarily the second you stop. Guys like to rest up right after our really into it exertions, usually. But soon enough. If she emotionally cries or anything, be like her calm caring daddy, who’s not alarmed, knowing she’ll be just fine. If she’s all goo goo and adoring, accept it affectionately. She’s your wholly owned baby.
If it’s first time sex, well feministx once advised having breakfast w/her, which isn’t bad advice if you can. If you’ve really got a bad feeling after, it’ll be worth it to take her on a date of some sort later. Not saying make her your gf. Just not a cold hard dump.
Well these things have worked for me. Also tends to get you fuck buddies.
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Atlas Shrugged was even bigger piece of garbage justifying another,longer cock carousel.
Taggert the whore has no qualms getting it on with a married man, dreaming of her old love, finally settling for the mystical cock of Mr. Galt and like a little bitch loves to be his kitchen maid.
Even a piece of junk has better morality.
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lozlzlzlzlzzl i love how ayn rand moved to america founded by classical judeo christians to escape death camps & shiznit and then she shits all over everything they believe zozlzlzlzlzlzl omg was she a neocon?
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Ray Sawhill–
Your uber culturally knowledgeable, male, and game friendly advice as to which three or four would be valuable to more than just myself, I’m sure.
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@namea nanka:
“Atlas Shrugged was even bigger piece of garbage justifying another,longer cock carousel.
Taggert the whore has no qualms getting it on with a married man, dreaming of her old love, finally settling for the mystical cock of Mr. Galt and like a little bitch loves to be his kitchen maid.
Even a piece of junk has better morality.”
Oh dear. In the novel, Dagny Taggart, throughout
her life, has three lovers. That is very far from a record,
and hardly a “cock carousel”. There is no indication that
she got it on with Henry “Hank” Reardan “while thinking
of her old love”. (Note, “Hank”, not “Sam” as somebody
wrote.) And she did not “settle” for John Galt, she
switched her affection for an even higher value
than Reardan. Most women would, following
Oscar Wilde’s dictum of having simple tastes, “being
satisfied with best”.
And she hardly dissed the USA, she just disagreed with
some specific policies advocated by some politicians,
including Reagan. That is normal for immigrant and
native-born alike.
Nevertheless, she considered the US as essentially
the only decent country on Earth.
Thor
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I suggest lolzboy be banned. He’s a textbook troll who posts far too much and stopped being amusing a long time ago.
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Ayn Rand’s philosophy is fundamentally a reworking of Nietzsche’s philosophy, with “Reason” replacing “Instinct” as the engine. Her philosophy is utterly superfluous for anyone’s who’s read him, and IMO she does not have N’s balls in her attacks on religion (it’s generalized so as not to offend) or in her conclusions about what the “death” of God implies (ignoring the power of the irrational in man.)
For better or worse, Nietzsche attack’s on Christianity is utterly devastating. The efforts of The New Atheists are laughable in comparison (of course, he was much smarter than they.) Anyone who reads The Antichrist will never look at it the same way again.
GBFM is entertaining, but anyone who takes him seriously needs their head examined. One can try and form accurate, dispassionate theories about how reality works or one can buy into an Alex Jones-type mindset, with obvious consequences to mental health.
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what the fuck is wrong with you people?
“And she hardly dissed the USA, she just disagreed with
some specific policies advocated by some politicians,
including Reagan. That is normal for immigrant and
native-born alike.
Nevertheless, she considered the US as essentially
the only decent country on Earth.
Thor”
she h8ed on the man who brought down the iron curtain.
reagan was pro property rights.
ayn rand hated property rights. fetuses had no right to their life, liberty, and happieness.
ayn rand hated reagan–the fan who exalted america and believed in god, and speaking of which
rand hated god lzozllzlzozlzozzl
i picture all you rand fanboys alternating between twiddling your cocks and your playstation controllers lzozlzl boning up on some ayn rand cliffsnotes in your single mom’s basements, getting all pissy at tyour step fatehr and taking it out opn me because reading my words is like watching your mother getting boned by an alpha that she forgot to get to father you. lzozllz
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I suggest gramercy be banned. He’s a textbook twat who posts far too little and stopped saying no to butthex a long time ago.
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Why is Nietzsche’s attack on Christianity relevant here?
Roissy’s stated mission is to dispel “pretty lies.”
Cultural Marxism and Christianity are fraternal twins: both truck in “pretty lies”, one in the secular realm, the other in the otherworldly. Both make their pitch most directly, to put it bluntly, to the real pieces of shit in this world: the philosophies of the great teeming rabble, not of the strong, independent or outstanding individual. Of course many merely somewhat weak or doubtful get caught in the net through secondary effects. But its clear who the primary intended audience is.
Cultural Marxism is hence based on Ressentiment. Feminism is the stoking of fires of female Ressentiment. What Roissy does here is the important work of illustrating the effects.
But it is, by nature of blogging, fragmented and piecemeal.
What is needed is a unitary, sustained, comprehensive attack in a single publication: The AntiFeminist. Something that can be read and absorbed at one sitting.
Something of appropriate quality can change the world. Who is up to the task? Who is today’s Nietzsche?
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“Oh dear. In the novel, Dagny Taggart, throughout
her life, has three lovers.”
Yup “Lovers”,who knows how many cocks? Or do you think that since the novel is old the good girl didn’t do anything out of the alpha-cock ‘love’? Who knows how many times she might have used her LJBFed assistant to satiate her desires? Working in a overtly phallic industry would have taken it’s toll on the calmest of nuns, don’t ya think?
“And she did not “settle” for John Galt, she
switched her affection for an even higher value
than Reardan.”
HAHA what else did I say? As you say “in the novel”, who knows what the Taggert would’ve done once the great Galt lost his virility? She would have gone on and adopted cougarism and used another thousand pages to justify it.
And Mr. Galt would have then offered his nuts at the $ sign of the fucking utopia to be her new bridesmaid.
Switching affection for even a higher value, but what the hell was that higher value? Galt the leader of men, respected by her previous lovers.Alpha el supremo.
And the solipsism that is Rand depicts that Ms. Taggert has been admired by all these Alphas and thusly has the ego fulfillment to last a century.
Conclusion – Taggert is a bitch.
Rand justifies her idiocy using an acre of trees and somehow people think it’s right.A multitude of average men have done better than her, a page from a book of a genius is worth more than all her babble about the idealized man.
Her philosophy might be worth more than her novels but the lack of morality that she displays in her novels and the bullshit she comes up with to justify it with….who cares?
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Women are designed by evolution and biology to be used by men. Period. Regardless of any particular woman’s other attributes, abilities, or interests, she is by definition built to be mounted and penetrated by a man.
So of course women love to be submissive and “raped” by men. It’s in their nature and, like anything involving gender relations, if you ignore what they say and watch what they do then you’ll find his to be true.
Welcome to reality.
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Dana, a real Dominant won’t play without a safeword because a real Dominant is responsible and trustworthy.
If it’s not an actual word, it’s a signal. Some of the play I do requires gags or other facial restraints, so I use the normal martial arts “tapping out”.
Though you, the sub, may feel like you can die there, break a bone, or lose a nipple or something, and it would be okay, the Dom would not be okay with that.
The safeword is also there to enable the sub to resist without the fun actually stopping. They can scream, say no or stop, and it’s alright until they say kittens or whatever the word is.
That said, once you’ve been with someone for awhile, you learn their cues and limits, so a safeword is seldom needed. Still, it’s something that’s more for the Dom’s peace of mind than the sub’s.
It’s not a perfect system though since a person can take a lot when they’re in an intense place. This is why it’s a good idea for Dominants to bottom occasionally (with someone other than your sub unless you’re both comfortable switches) so they know what it feels like and can empathize with their subs more accurately.
A Dominant who is nearly 100% can’t actually feel what a sub feels emotionally, but they can at least understand physically.
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I find the lozzlzzzl guy somewhat amusing. I particularly like it when someone gets angry with him and how he defects the anger with his lolzzlzzzs like a good troll. 🙂
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Anon, it depends on the woman. Her attitude about sex and rape before it happens has a lot to do with how she’ll interpret the experience, and how well she’ll recover from it.
The circumstances are also a major factor, as well as what kind of after-care, if any, she got.
It needs to be said though, that rape doesn’t just happen to women. Guys get raped too, and so it should be easy to empathize.
If it’s a one-time incident, that will affect a person differently than if it was repeatedly done to them over a period of time. It’s also different if it was a stranger than it is if it’s someone you know and trusted.
So I’d make an educated guess that it would change someone’s fantasies, but how they change depends on the individual. Fantasies about ravishment may turn to fantasies about revenge. A person may on the other hand, cope by wanting to reenact the incident with a trusted person in a situation they have some control over. They may even get twisted and put themselves at risk to get raped again. They may become serial killers or rapists themselves…or at least think about it.
I think most people though, are pretty tough. Stuff that’s wired into us for survival doesn’t go away just because we encounter a nutbar.
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Men often have “rape” fantasies about some hot beautiful woman (or women) completely overwhelming him… [editor: no they don’t….]
Likewise, I can assure you that there are many, many women who do NOT fantasize or enjoy rough sex under any circumstance.
[editor: you are ignoring the skew. more women fantasize about rape than men fantasize about being manhandled by a dominatrix. or: generalizations are useful.]
Neither with or without safe words. Neither with or without prior warning. They don’t even like reading about such events in novels unless the point is to show how the woman overcomes the trauma of it.
Each women needs to be considered on her own. To do otherwise turns her into a thing, not a person.
I don’t care how many romance novels you read. You are not a woman and you cannot read them through a woman’s eyes, You cannot presume to know why they find them attractive – especially when it comes to such an intimate, personal, and feminine thing as sexuality. In fact, you deliberately skipped over significant sections as if they were unimportant.
So please be honest: this is YOUR rape fantasy, which you are imposing on not just particular women with BDSM inclinations, but all women. You want every woman to share this fantasy with you because (a) you believe you are an alpha male (b) you want to dominate over women.
I wouldn’t recommend anyone presuming that “women just want it” or “it is OK if I’m an alpha male” or even “its ok if I’ve had a long term relationship and we’ve had consensual sex loads of times”.
If it turns out you are wrong (and most likely you will be), you are likely to face an indictment for at least second degree sexual assault. Or first degree sexual assault should you chose to use a knife or strangle to unconsciousness (1st degree sexual assault is 25 years to life in VA). Even if it doesn’t ruin your life, it will surely ruin your wallet. Good defense lawyers aren’t cheap.
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One thing to keep in mind. Women, like all humans, are perfectly capable of plotting a fairly horrific revenge if they are pissed off. A woman truly, well angry at a man can do terrible things to him, even if she’s weaker, and smaller. Because she has a brain and can use tools.
Poison, fire, knives, are all very unpleasant ways to die.
All that being said, I suspect that most women, most of the time, would turn such methods on the beta guy who looked at her too long, than a guy like Charlie Sheen who allegedly held a knife to his wife’s throat … on Christmas Day! I’ll bet it wasn’t the first time he did that either. I don’t see Charlie Sheen (who ought to go out in a full body condom) being thought of as unattractive by women. I think most women if they could, would sleep with him.
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“Likewise, I can assure you that there are many, many women who do NOT fantasize or enjoy rough sex under any circumstance. ”
What’s your experience to make such a claim? In hundreds? In thousands? In millions? Feminist rape laws?
Then,
“Each women needs to be considered on her own. To do otherwise turns her into a thing, not a person.”
and,
“I don’t care how many romance novels you read. You are not a woman and you cannot read them through a woman’s eyes”
contradict each other.
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This is just another example that shows no matter how educated or well read a man is, he is worthless if he does not have a sound character, good morality and a kind heart.
This post demonstrates a misunderstanding of women’s minds. When a man’s masculinity overpowers you, it has nothing to do with rape, it is just a simple natural case of a male energy overwhelming a female, along with this innate wish to be dominated comes an expectation that she will also be protected by that strong male. And, yes, that she could inherit his aggressive genes. This is some atavistic primal instinct (the mating criteria has changed since prehistory). Besides this has nothing to do with “rape” (it’s shocking that this word is even used). To be seduced by a man based on his sheer masculine energy (no, not “caddishness” or “neg” but REAL, natural masculine energy). Rape is something completely different. This post is just trying to justify and legitimize rape or male sexual aggression against a female, a misinterpretation of primal natural forces, it is unspeakable that something like this could come from a man in a civilized society. It should not even be legal. A strong (or handsome) man will make you soft inside naturally and you will submit to him naturally. But justifying violence against a female is cowardly. I admire a man who fights fiercely with another man, not a man who attacks a weaker female and pushes his sexual desire on her just because he has misinterpreted “female” literature. Besides, fantasy is just fantasy. It is NOT life. Fantasy is a place where you can explore yourself safely, engaging in things that you would NEVER do it real life. This post is immoral and untypical of a normal Western man. So after reading such posts, how should a woman feel when she interacts with a man (a potential reader of these boards)? Thinking to herself whether he is a potential rapist or that he somehow believes that a woman “wants” to be raped…? This is just unbelievable.
[editor: settle down, dork. you’re overcome with the fevers.]
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King Mob, wherever you are,
Just remember you are alive and grieving. That is good. Get all STD testing, counseling and family/ friend support you can. And then write about it. If you can’t get yourself to get it published just destroy the manuscript. Or write o poem with a happy ending. The way you wish it would have ended. Writing is therapeutic. Haiti is a mess and will be for a long time. In the long run you will be all right. I don’t worry about you. Keep writing.
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Daring today, aren’t we Roissy? As if you weren’t already being called a rape-advocate…
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Let’s get some numbers on this:
“While the definition of normal is subjective, the popularity of fantasies like Tina’s is not: In a 2009 study published in the Journal of Sex Research that evaluated female undergraduates at the University of North Texas, 62 percent of the women admitted to having rape fantasies, and 91 percent of those said their fantasies were either wholly or partially ‘erotic.’
The article goes on to say, “Dr. Gail Saltz, a psychiatrist and the author of The Ripple Effect: How Better Sex Can Lead to a Better Life … [says] that rape is the most common female sexual fantasy.”
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“This post is just trying to justify and legitimize rape or male sexual aggression against a female, a misinterpretation of primal natural forces, it is unspeakable that something like this could come from a man in a civilized society. “
You speak as if we live in a civilized society.This whole fucking blog is built on a premise that we live a paleolithic society and you ask for civilization here.Hilarious!!
Something like this will come naturally from a man in a “civilized society” when the “woman” is civil enough to accept it.Your foolhardy shaming tactics that wave the flag of immorality are inane.
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Nice post, Roissy. All but one of the women I’ve been with have enjoyed me tying them down and using them, making them beg for my cum, et cetera.
For what it’s worth, I vehemently oppose the idea of banning GBFM. He’s one of the most insightful of those who have recently started posting comments.
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In: Steve Moxon, The Woman Racket, Chapter 11 Rape: Fact, Fantasy and Fabrication The crime that’s ‘worse’ than murder:
“False rape and the rape fantasy in literature: The ‘rape fantasy’ is at the heart of the most famous ‘false rape’ portrayed artistically: the centrepiece of E.M.Forster’s book, A Passage To India. (Harper Lee’s To Kill A Mockingbird, in common with Forster’s book escaped feminist censure because the victim was non-white and the offence was taken to be racism by the community.) Twenty years ago Forster’s masterpiece was made into an exceptional film. The story centres on a naïve young woman, Adela, who had only recently arrived in India to join the man to whom she was engaged to be married, Ronny; but Adelawas now vacillating as to whether or not to marry him. A group excursion is arranged to the remote countryside by Aziz, an attractive Indian doctor. Through a chain of events Adela ends up alone with Aziz. In a scene reminiscent of Picnic At Hanging Rock, for reasons never explored Adela is emotionally overcome and rushes down the mountainside through thorn bushes that tear her clothes and skin. It is not clear as to whether she has had a delusion of sexual assault or that this is simply inferred by the authorities. Part of the power of the film is that the central mystery is never explained. For all we are told Adela could just have a strong touch of the sun, but the film cleverly suggests that in some way the episode and its aftermath is a cover for a disturbingwish to ‘be taken’ by a man she finds more alluring than her fiancé. At the heart of the story is the psychological insight that there may be a relatively benign origin of ‘false rape’. It would seem that Adela’s trepidation about her forthcoming marriage together with the unacknowledged possibility of a sexual liaison with someone else, brought to a head the tension in her mind between her anxiety at the prospect of the marriage bed and whether she had made a good choice. At the same time Aziz awakens her sexuality. The unconscious pitting of her options of choosing one man against the other seems to have been expressed as an hysterical imagining akin to a rape fantasy, where being carried off by the stranger would free her from her impending cocooning. Not cognizant of the huge damage to others she was causing until she started to come to her senses in Aziz’s trial, Adela was ‘frozen in the headlights’. She was procrastinating between the two female mating strategies, and the motivational importance of the situation was such that her mind blotted out all else. She experienced an emotionally-charged realisation of the conflict between two romantic ideals, though even at this sanitised level she could barely articulate it. It seems that Adela may have been unconsciously accessing a ‘dissociated’ mental state that women have evolved to enter should they find themselves in the scenario of being ‘taken’ by a stranger.”
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nama, in a paleolithic society you would already be killed or taken up the a** by the alpha male.
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@Skadi “… This post is just trying to justify and legitimize rape or male sexual aggression against a female…”
As you haven’t referenced any posters name, I have to assume you are referring to the article itself. If this is so, you might want to read the article before commenting further.
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“nama, in a paleolithic society you would already be killed or taken up the a** by the alpha male.”
You think there is something else going on under the name of civilization?
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If she cry out, skadi:
Well hello ladies. Here’s the deal. Women have rape fantasies, as sure as the sky is blue and the sun sets at dusk. Maybe you don’t, and that’s okay. Speaking personally, I never have actually had a rape fantasy, yet I’ve been with several women who begged for that consensual play. So when I’ve engaged in it it’s actually been more for her than me.
Oh, and I wouldn’t even concieve of doing it unless she’s signed a consent form and we’ve established a safe word.
Actual rape, as in against her consent, is a terrible crime and I say that as a man who was molested as a child.
Conclusion: It may not fit into your Feminist-
constructed Disneyland view of reality but women have rape fantasies. Good day.
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The most consistently popular movie and book scene among women for decades:
i couldn’t find it, but she wake sup the next day singing, giggling like a school girl and realizing finally she is in love with rhett
nicole:
yes, in phony big fat ugly gay playacting “dom/sub” bs the safe word blah blah blah. i know.
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nama, in traditional (mainly patriarchial) societies the punishment for rape was often death penalty or castration. In ancient Germanic societies, a hook was drawn through a rapists chest and he was tossed off a cliff so that “he would know what it feels like to have your heart broken”.
By civilized I meant the way most Western men are… who happen to live in the most liberal society.
“Raped” and “taken” are two completely different concepts. “Taken” is about eroticism, rape is an act of power. The article is trying to make a justification of a physical oppression of females.
[editor: your reading comprehension is poor.]
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Another way to look at the appeal of being overtaken (my personal girly-brain solipsistic thought process):
if you are shy and even embarassed to go for it, if he forces you then you don’t have to even worry about it. If one self-identifies as a “good” girl it can be a little hard to all of a sudden indulge in all those naughty and freaky thoughts you’re having, even with a husband.
But I suspect the niche of good girls wanting to finally go bad is a niche smaller than even the male-submissive one. Although I bet in conservative Islamic or other socieities, it might not be.
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Since people are posting instances of this topic in film, I seem to remember that the central issue in the trial in “To Kill A Mockingbird” was whether a certain large, strong, handsome, uneducated black man had actually tried to rape a wealthy, white teenaged girl, but it came out in the course of the trial that she had attempted to induce him to have sex with her, he refused, and she retaliated by accusing rape. The racism is commonly what the movie is understood to be about (and it is), but really, the illicit female attraction (for that time and place) was really more at the core of it.
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To quote the Master’s Degree carrying, Eve Ensler-loving, Vagina Monologues performing, bisexual, self-described Radical Feminist I was with a few years ago:
“Fuck me like you’re gonna kill me! Bite me harder! Shove it in my ass! OHH GOD HARDER! Do IT Brutal, MORE! THERE! MOOORE!!! OH GOD, GOD I LOVE YOU!”
All following the terms of our contract, signed and consented.
Of course, no modern, enlightened woman would ever do such a thing. Nope. Nothiing to see here, move along, must maintain illusion of sisterhood, must not believe your lying eyes.
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When a girl is able to resist a man’s charms (even while desperately wanting it) because of society or religion or personal beliefs, she probably knows that she gets additional respect for that – the anti-slut halo sort of. (Some men could care less if a woman isn’t easy and will marry/commit to a woman who was slutty any way, but I’m talking about the guys who want a “good” non-easy girl as a longterm partner)
Girls know that if she is coming across as good, but all of a sudden very easily agrees to the most acrobatic and freakish sexual acts, that she is going to throw up some “she’s lying to me about not being with many men before” in the guy’s mind.
So even if a girl wants it she just has to show a little resistance, I think even Roissy talked about this a few months ago. Not hard cold resistance, more the sort where she needs to have it coaxed out of her.
Somehow I’m guessing no one wil get me on this one. An army soldierette of one I am with these things it seems
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Also, I think one big issue is use of the term “rape” here.
Rape by definition is supposed to mean unwanted.
Unwanted mentally or physically, right? Unwanted before it happens but glad it happened after? (“Wow I didn’t expect to enjoy that, glad you made me!”)
I wouldn’t call what Roissy is advocating as rape in its purest clinical/legal sense as much as I would call it extreme domination and surprise – taking by force, really.
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An example of the flair that sets this blog apart and above any other blog:
“…Repeat for your other three girlfriends.”
too funny! excellent
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@ Nicole
That’s not true… Despite what other people say around here, I really like your posts and you’ve definitely got me to think more deeply about the things you write about. We really don’t even disagree all that much.
But on the prevalence of malesub/femdom, we definitely disagree.
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I could be wrong and I often am, but I wonder if religion was invented (or “discovered”) so that men could rationalize a noble life, and delude themselves that they’d be eternally rewarded for self-restraint. The fathers of religion unwittingly chose the path of self-restraint throughout their lives, but made these choices and followed this path because it didn’t put them at risk, not because it was good. Only when they watched the risk-takers win at the game of life did they concoct absolute morals, which became the foundation for a religion where risk takers are cast down like Icarus or like the hedonists of Sodom and Gomorrah, while the quiet humble provider betas are rewarded eternally with the 27 virgins they denied themselves throughout their earthly lives.
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@ Skadi
I really don’t know what to say to your post, except that while you are clearly intelligent to some degree you have no idea what you are talking about.
The term ‘rape fantasy’ or use of the word ‘rape’ in this context doesn’t have legal or moral currency, you twat. It’s a term imparted by pyschologists, sociologists and other research experts and academics to a very common & mainstream fantasy experienced by women. If you don’t like that we’re using the word ‘rape’ don’t blame us—blame the experts. ‘Rape’ in a legal sense is very narrowly construed and it is wrong and it’s a crime—but that’s not what we’re discussing here.
Get a grip.
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Dana, I eagerly await your pics.
See, I’m aware that I am big, fat, and ugly.
I’m also aware that I am quite worthless…an incubator for bacteria whose function on this earth in the best case, is little more important than that of an ant.
So there is really nothing you could say to put me down. I’m aware of my value.
Are you aware of yours, little mouse?
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My comment has been stuck in moderation so long that even if it comes out no one will look that far back on the thread, so here is a summary that I hope can evade the filters.
Ways to take advantage of the common rape fantasy with a girl you have not yet bedded (Roissy’s suggestion is tops for already ongoing relationships):
Take her to a movie with a rough seduction scene, and say “would that work with you?” Any answer is good, it’s just to plant the thought.
“I’ll bet you’re more ticklish than I am”. She almost always will be, men have more stoicism.
When you are in a favorable physical position, immobilize her for couple of seconds and say “I’ll bet it will take you more than 10 seconds to escape.” When she starts struggling count loudly to 10 while using just enough force to win. (If you can’t actually control her physically without hurting her you need to use a different approach.) Next time you play the game, use more force than necessary (just enough to cause the tiniest amount of pain), observe reaction, calibrate, repeat.
Confession game: after saying you have a confession to make, acting sort of embarrassed until she teases it out of you, say you have a secret vice of reading the curly-type trashy novels for the “ravishing” scenes, and a fantasy of being a rapist, and while you would never do it in real life
“It can’t be such a bad fantasy, if these novels sell then women must have it too, right?” This is a good way to smoke out the feminist harpies, they will be horrified and you’ll save youself time.
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^^^^ haha, respect.
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Argh! Two comments stuck in moderation. I’ll have to break this up into bite-size pieces. How to take advantage of the prevalence of rape fantasies with a girl you haven’t bedded yet:
1) Take her to a movie with a rough seduction scene, and say “would that work with you?” Any answer is good, it’s just to plant the thought.
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2) “I’ll bet you’re more ticklish than I am”. She almost always will be, men have more stoicism.
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3) When you are in a favorable physical position, immobilize her for couple of seconds and say “I’ll bet it will take you more than 10 seconds to escape.” When she starts struggling count loudly to 10 while using just enough force to win. (If you can’t actually control her physically without hurting her you need to use a different approach.) Next time you play the game, use more force than necessary (just enough to cause the tiniest amount of pain), observe reaction, calibrate, repeat.
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@ Skadi
:::sigh:::
Look, porn is fantasy. The women you see in porn don’t look like real women—their measurements are impossible, their skin is impossibly perfect, and there’s nothing they wouldn’t do for the man in the flick. It’s total fantasy…but if you ask any guy if THAT’S the kind of woman he would like in real life, he’d tell you hell yeah. This is why porn is so successful with men—it puts onscreen the shit we’d actually want to have.
The rape fantsy/erotic novel schtick is no different, and that’s why they’re so successful with women. The vast majority of women want to be taken and physically/sexually overpowered by a desirable man who is so completely overwhelmed by their unique seuxal allure. Psychologists have termed this desire ‘rape fantasy’. A woman’s desire for it is every bit as real as a man’s desire for a carbon-copy of his favorite porn actress.
Really, this isn’t complicated.
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4) Confession game: after saying you have a confession to make, acting sort of embarrassed until she teases it out of you, say you have a secret vice of reading the curly-type trashy novels for the “ravishing” scenes, and a fantasy of being a rapist, and while you would never do it in real life
“It can’t be such a bad fantasy, if these novels sell then women must have it too, right?” This is a good way to smoke out the feminist harpies, they will be horrified and you’ll save youself time.
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Jayman, religion aside, but would you like to live in a society where anyone could rape your daughter, wife or mother without any consequences for them? Totally in chaos, it would be impossible to live in such a society.
And today’s liberal society is full of risk takers. Take bankers for example.
Nevermind the term, the point is is that the post is attempting to justify raping women based on the assumption that women themselves want to be raped. It is a clear misinterpretation of women’s wishes.
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dragnet, that’s exactly what I said, only in different words. Yes, xxx empowered by a DESIRABLE male.
While the post is written in a way that almost implies that ALL women necessarily want to be “dominated” or even raped. The blog is treading a very risky ground there, to say the least.
[editor: is that a threat, cunt?]
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Jayman look up feminization of man by satyr.It’s a good read and his own arguements spread over various forums on the net have some good thoughts.
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@ Skadi
Okay, you just said that Roissy is making it sound like women generally want to be dominated and raped by men, with no regards as to what kind of man it is. But here is what Roissy actually wrote:
At every step of the way he makes it perfectly clear that women only desire this kind of behavior from a man they would find desirable in any case.
Look, I’ve called out Roissy when I’ve disagreed with him, but you are just way out on a limb with this one.
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I wouldn’t try this at home. lots of hotties have been raped and didn’t like it. way to bring back the flashbacks. you should know her history before doing this.
girls like kink when they are ovulating… when they want an alpha male. don’t try this other times of the month. getting her drunks is +++
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^^^^^^^^^^
lozlzlzl freya!!
“Freya:
GBFM,
Interesting choice. Hamlet demonstrates how to rape a woman’s soul, which drives her to madness and self-destruction.”
lozlzlzlzllz you must have an A in your fem lit classes, three stds and seven cats lzolzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlz no babies 4 u! lozlzlzlz
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Skadi,
I think you really need this spelled out explicitly.
Because of the nature of some women’s *fantasies*, Roissy is discussing forms of sexual *play* which will derive erotic power from the fantasies without involving any lack of legal consent.
Roissy’s scenario where a man tells his lover to expect the unexpected, then later confronts her masked but *allowing her to recognize his voice*, expertly integrates the erotic power of the rape fantasy into a real situation which is just *pretend*.
In my replies, I also suggest some activities which are completely consensual and legal, but which exploit mysterious emotional dynamics to supercharge the eventual *consensual* sex.
Although most women enjoy rape fantasies occasionally, it is not a huge majority, and I don’t doubt that many would find these games do not add anything to their excitement and pleasure. That’s not the point of the post, which is how to improve one’s sex life with a woman who DOES occasionally enjoy rape fantasies.
This has been a pubic service announcement. You may return to your regular browsing.
[editor: nice explanation for the tard crowd, polymath. i’d explain it myself but i’d rather just insult them until they have an aneurysm.]
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Something I read elsewhere online:
(This is vile)
“Back in my younger wilder days I used to hook up with this chick. Long story short: She had a boyfriend, didn’t tell me, fucked me and he found out. I didn’t want to be with her but was pissed i got involved in drama.
They’re still together and now…engaged. Anyhow, she’s back out partying again. Ran into her maybe a month and a half ago. Tried the same thing with me again, very well knowing that I am aware that she’s engaged to the same guy. Who now says hello to me all the time btw. I decline.
My buddy who’s gf is friends with her tells me her latest escapade last night.
-She meets some guy out at a club. Asks the guy if he has coke.
-Goes to his car and ends up banging the guy for coke.
-Somehow her fiance’ finds out about it and flips (duh!)
-In order to protect her ass she claims rape and files formal rape charges
-Now ruining this guy’s life to save face with fiance’
-Fiance’ is still with her
Guys: Seriously, watch yourselves out there. Not that you’d be brokering a coke deal but just think if she offered to bang you as well. She’s pretty hot btw. ”
It’s in moments like these that you can relate to the underlying, animal emotion that leads muslim men to treat their women with such brutal strictness.
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Dragnet, as an orientation, I don’t think male submissiveness is very common. What I meant was that bottoming is somewhat common as an activity, so I’d venture that it’s a fairly common fantasy.
Actual submissiveness to one’s mate is kind of counter male. Men are physically stronger, and don’t menstruate or get pregnant, and one’s biology definitely affects one’s outlook.
I don’t have sex with my subs mainly because the act of sex itself involves their penetrating me. I often even blindfold them because a man even being able to see what’s going to happen to him gives him some mental control. He gets to brace himself for it.
Topping men is a whole other world from topping women. You have to figure out how to bypass a man’s natural dominant tendencies. Even if a guy is submissive down to his soul and thinks tough women are just the bee’s knees, they live most of their lives expected to be dominant.
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I think you missed the point. Usually the masked man is someone she is interested in but can’t have socially. Or someone she would give in to, like you said. “Rape” is secondary.
But that only accounts for the in-the-head desire, not for the forcing or hurting. 99% of the time, in the external world, rape has a hate factor.
[editor: cite.]
And it makes women suffer. In the books it is desire — it is internal-world-desire of being dominated, to a point — that gives the tingle. No woman would really like to be hurt/suffer externally, beyond her limit of pleasure taken with it, no matter how much alpha is the attacker.
It’s like men with some violent fantasies: he can indulge while in his head, but, if he ever try in reality, the moment the woman becomes really hurt it kills the mood. Sure, that does not apply for really crazy/evil man, for whom the hurting is part of the drive. But those people are not our material here.
As for the rape play, most women I know would start laughing ! And I think also that you miss the point: it’s not the fantasy of rape, is the overpowering in sex that accounts for the enjoyment. Get you girl one day, out of the blue, without saying a word, aim directly to penetration, fuck her good while holding her arms down, turn her as you wish, and fuck her like a controlling animal, cum loudly. Sport a grin. Both of you will enjoy.
But wearing ski-masks and dark clothes sounds very gay, and Beta: are you losing your touch, Dark Lord? Specially on the ski mask: man, what was you thinking about? Mystery?
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Sorry, can’t cite. Should’ve used “I think 99% of rape is motivated by hate”. I think so because of the unwillingness, real, not orchestrated, of the woman. To enjoy that I believe you have to have big resentments and/or really hate women. Or have a small dick/complex of inferiority, etc. Something that generates hate and then the will to hurt/make suffer beyond her pleasurable limits.
But that is my opinion.
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To put it simply: you would get into a sports fight knowing that you can tap out and it is over. You can really enjoy the fight if that is what you’re into, even if you take a beating. But would you get into a fight where there is no tapping out for you, ever? With a stronger opponent?
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But let me say that I liked the idea of
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Yeah of course by higher-status male. If its unwanted it is sexual harassment otherwise welcome flirting!
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Yay, my comment actually appeared.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/play-rape/#comment-168773
Sorry, roissy.
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roissy, I salute you. As does my penis.
I wonder why more porn doesn’t have rape in it; probably because porn makers (at least big companies) are afraid feminists will use them as “proof” that porn is about rape and power and blah blah blah and then its too much of a headache.
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@Gary,
Of course, at UNT. That’s a music college. They all want to bang the lead guitarist.
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Bhetti–
It’s a damn shame your comment was held in moderation until after this comment thread had about died. Even though you wrote it when it was still going strong.
Yeah I almost commented on what you quoted myself. That comment was idiotic. Most men can subdue most women and about all men can find some woman small enough to physically subdue with his bare hands. As well a knife does a lot of fast subduing.
Most alphas aren’t that because they’re the thug type. That’s a small minority of alphas, and they appeal to only a minority of women. roissy’s probably right that it’s a much bigger minority than society at large or most betas want to or do believe, but it’s still a pretty small minority. However about all women are attracted to the guy who can protect them from a thug type. So that’s the connection that is prevalent.
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I realize that most of Roissy’s readers are going to hate Ayn Rand and that’s that, but I find it interesting why they are hating on her. A big complaint that I see is that in Rand’s books, especially ‘Atlas Shrugged’, the female protagonists refused to settle for less than ideal men. In Game lingo, they searched out Alpha males until they found the best one they could, which in Rand’s novels were Roark and Galt (and Equality 7-2521).
Why would Gamers hate on Rand for this? Isn’t this exactly what Game was designed for: to educate men as to how biology effects psychology. The fundamental premise of Game, as stated by Mystery himself, is that men must be psycho-sexually dominant and women will respond by being psycho-sexually submissive. This is the psychological consequence of the biological reality of humans. In essence, Game is teaching men to not ignore the metaphysical reality of humanity and human sexuality. This is in distinction to feminism in particular and Leftism in general which is all about “pretty lies” to use Roissy’s expression .
Well, if you know anything substantive about Ayn Rand’s philosophy, then you know that she wrote extensively on the absolute life and death importance of not evading the metaphysical nature of reality. Ayn Rand knew nothing of Game, yet her novels dramatize the importance of male strength and female submission even among alpha females. I would think this would get her some respect amongst Gamers as she despised feminism and glorified male strength. Hell, name me another female author who said the essence of femininity is man-worship . Its not for no reason that feminists hate Rand.
A few last points regarding Rand:
* She is not repackaged Nietzsche. Saying this reveals total ignorance about philosophy. Rand’s epistemology is light years away from Nietzsche. Rand can be thought of as Aristotle 2.0 in a way, but other than her rejection of religion, she has little in common with Nietzsche.
* Ayn Rand’s philosophy utterly rejects supernaturalism in every way. Agree with it or not, it is totally naturalist. The Game community seems to be mostly naturalist in makeup so even more reason to not hate on Rand.
* Rand didn’t write polemical attacks on religion because she 1) considered religion (and that includes that malignant superstition known as Christianity) to be a primitive form of philosophy and 2) she was more interested in articulating a positive philosophy . Polemics against God and Jeebus have been done a thousand times. That wasn’t her interest.
* Rand opposed Reagan because he was not capitalist enough! Also, because she argued that religion and capitalism were incompatible. There has never been a bigger defender of capitalism or a bigger opponent of egalitarianism (the heart and soul of Left-liberalism) then Ayn Rand. Again, one of Rand’s central messages is to not ignore the metaphysical reality of nature. For Rand, the god concept was epistemolgically destructive of reason, morality and liberty. Reagan, as all conservatives do, try to base free markets and liberty in general on religion (Burkeanism 101). Rand hated this as, for her, this was basing freedom on nothing which is what god is. The naturalist Gamers should admire this I would think as Rand was an atheistic Right winger. She was no Dawkins or Dennet.
* Most importantly for the purposes of this blog entry, Ayn Rand’s female heroes refused to settle for anything less than the most ideal man they could find for a very specific reason. Rand’s central ethical principle was the rejection of self-sacrifice, or as she would say, the rejection of altruism. Her female heroes refusal to surrender their search for the male ideal dramatizes Rand’s ethical theory of rational egoism. Rand was nothing if not consistent. Atlas Shrugged shows men rejecting the political version of altruism in rejecting socialism and it shows women rejecting the social/sexual version of altruism in rejecting traditional morality.
You can now go back to hating on Rand. But at least know what you are hating.
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Doesn’t seem to be so common, thank God. Thanks to increased charges if you do it with a weapon, right?
For it to work, this also means he has to be invested in protecting them.
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@madmax
(no quote necessary, two posts or so above)
Right on. Thank you for good analysis.
However, I am not at all convinced that
“most of Roissy’s readers hate Ayn Rand”,
although clearly some do.
And, yes I find this odd that they do, precisely
for the reasons madmax itemizes.
Thor
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“She is not repackaged Nietzsche. Saying this reveals total ignorance about philosophy. Rand’s epistemology is light years away from Nietzsche. Rand can be thought of as Aristotle 2.0 in a way, but other than her rejection of religion, she has little in common with Nietzsche.”
She is totally repackaged Nietzche. You have to get beyond aping the propaganda from the Ayn Rand Instititute and go re-read Nietzsche. I have read everything she put out and she is simply denying his influence on her.
It’s the essentials that count, not repackaging. And if Randroids could actually REASON, they’d see the similiarities.
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I should say, not the PACKAGING.
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BTW there’s an article on BoingBoing on a developing strain of incurable gonorrhea. Betas are saved! 🙂
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Incurable clap — higher likelyhood of infertility.
1) Higher costs of hypergamous rawdogging. More incentive for monogamy.
2) Likely reduction in the promiscuous, rawdogging underclass and third world populations. An antidysgenic program with relatively low costs.
All the world’s problems are solved. Nature really is more powerful than fucking fiat bankers. LOLZZZLZLZLZLZ.
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Rand is a little dude-ish for my taste but The Fountainhead was a frickin fantastic novel. I still can’t get through Atlas Shrugged, god that’s a tough read.
Roark’s my hero. He was an awesome architect that Rand based off of Frank Lloyd Wright. He designed for the space and not to project his own view onto the natural elements. He bowed to the conditions, he remained flexible and was a natural, off the cuff, kind of character. Keating is an asswipe.
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madmax
“I would think this would get her some respect amongst Gamers as she despised feminism and glorified male strength.”
She had my respect for a little time for the view of man she presented was a better one than I had had from a long time.Her verbosity dimmed it a bit but I could easily make out the positives in it.
I don’t know of her philosophy nor her political concepts so I won’t say anything on that.
On subject of Atlas Shrugged:
“and it shows women rejecting the social/sexual version of altruism in rejecting traditional morality. “
A woman’s rejection of morality is a ridiculous concept, the feminine does not have a morality to begin with.She merely rationalises one of the constraints out of her mind while keeping the others intact and expects others to do the same.
Making a man commit immorality; in order for her own gain might sit well with her femininity’s need for an idealized male to worship and have sex with, but she is merely corrupting his soul.
She creates concepts of ideal masculinity who lose their rationality for her own self.It’s her ultimate self-satisfying fantasy and nothing more.She creates a moral man who loses his morality to her femininity.She demolishes the very edifice on which a man comes forth from, for her own pleasure.
If anything, her search for the ideal man only speaks of her own soullessness; both of her novels are merely articulations of her feminine solipsism of the idealized view of man that falls as short of ‘ideal’ as her own thought falls short of men who have already created that ideal long before her.
She merely uses the thoughts of great men to her own benefits.
Rand had a vagina, get over it.Expecting truth and objectivity from a woman is a futile exercise.
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Helen Hazen’s 1983 book “Endless Rapture: Rape, Romance, and the Female Imagination” is way more insightful reading than anything Rand could have ever dreamed up writing.
Too bad the book is a minor collector’s item now and will cost one $75 just to get a reading copy, if you’re not lucky enough to be able to get it through a library.
The sum total of the wisdom in both the original post and all 240+ comments — sheer beginner’s stuff, all — are worth about a cup of coffee on this scale.
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Why even bother turning the lights off? Keep them on. Dress up in a bottomless Batman outfit and demand the bitch spank you. Tell her if she doesn’t you’ll rape the shit out of her. Then, after she does…fuck it, rape her anyway.
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“My eyes are burning!”
“Well of course they are, I just sprayed you in the face with pepper spray for the last 45 seconds. I would have continued for a while longer but I think the cannister is empty.”
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madmax,
Thanks. Nothing else need be said on this subject.
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In that case, why is the Dominatrix (femdom) phenomena so big…
[editor: it’s not. see: ascertainment bias.]
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It is relatively big and sought after by men. Not predominant, but still significant.
[editor: no, it’s not. what you are preferentially observing is a loudmouthed and conspicuously deviant minority of dominatrices and their male fetishist customers hogging the media bandwidth. the great majority of men harbor no fantasies about submitting to a dominatrix and likewise the great majority of women don’t fantasize about dominating men. although if you have something you want to tell us about your sick perverted life, please, feel free to share!]
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Well, it exists.
[editor: so does sheep rape.]
And it is quite visible.
[in an alternative media starved for eye-popping press? sure.]
It doesn’t mean that the majority of men want to be dominated, but some men do. And no, I don’t have a perverted life. I have a happy, healthy life 🙂 having just returned from DC I’m totally satiated with male attention, my life’s even happier and healthier than before.
[do you put nipple clamps on your johns? are they electrified?]
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Skadi, BDSM is about as big as being Gay. If you’re looking for it, you’re pretty sure to find it. It gets considerable attention, and there is some overlap with normal hierarchical interaction in relationships. Still, as an all out preference, it’s somewhat rare for a male to really want a woman to sexually dominate him. It may be fairly common for a guy to fantasize about being “raped” by an attractive woman or group of women, but it’s not so common for a guy to seek out these kinds of experiences consistently in real life.
One reason why is the simple biology of being male. It’s rare for a non disabled guy to meet a female who is stronger than him, or even has a close to minimal strength differential. He’s unlikely to be attracted to the ones who do because they are usually muscular or otherwise rough looking.
Think Cynthia Rothrock. They tried so hard to make martial arts hot. I personally find her lovely, but she just isn’t most guys’ cup of tea. They’d rather see a more model like actress pretending to kick ass than someone who actually could kick ass in real life.
Hardcore women are a niche, and Femdom is a niche of that niche.
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There is also the “mature” genre.. hehe.
[editor: the old broad genre is about as limited as the fatty fucker genre.
ps do you electrify the nip clamps? i bet the losers you fuck love that. reminds them of the thrill of their first suckling at momma’s teat.]
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[…] Play Rape and Best Reader […]
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Check out this link. The journalist has no idea why this guy is popular with women; especially the dolled-up 20-something hotties who are desperate for some celebrity dong.
He may be a total dick – which he clearly is – but that dick is definitely well-serviced and much appreciated. And they just don’t get it: It’s BECAUSE he’s a dick that he’s so appreciated.
The writer gets it completely wrong. The women aren’t looking for the cash – primarily. They want Alpha Cock, they want it now, and when they score, they brag to their girlfriends and show off. It’s the Pleistocene, people. Female Nature at its more brazen and obvious, unadorned or filtered by the illusions of culture or the shackles of civilization. It’s the power of Pussy over Mind.
And it is sick. But what are you going to do – complain about the rain?
Blame the double XXers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1269335/What-kind-sick-society-Jack-Tweed-pin-up.html
“For every night of the week in celebrity obsessed Britain, big city nightclubs throb with girls whose sole ambition is to bed a ‘star’ like Tweed.
“It is tragic that there is such an endless parade of wannabes with bleached teeth and tiny dresses who will skip merrily into hotel bedrooms and wifeless homes with sundry football stars, golfers and famous personalities.
“Who think that having phone sex with Ashley Cole or climbing into the back of a parked car with John Terry could lead to a lifetime’s supply of Jimmy Choos and the paradise of wall to wall, Chanel-quilted Wag-dom.
“Or who throw themselves at these men just for the thrill of a celebrity notch on the bedpost; a new kind of autograph for this generation of unashamed thrill-seekers.
…
“Of course, Jack Tweed is right at the bottom of this totem pole of dark notoriety. He doesn’t work, he has been jailed twice for assault and his every dealing with the female sex is grimy with misogyny. He cheated on his wife, whom he is said to have called ‘Cashpoint’ behind her back.
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Right on about women’s romance novels. I had heard about this and picked one up in a drugstore about 2 years ago.
It resembled nothing so much as a paint-by-numbers gaming instruction manual on how to activate the gina-tingle.
I highly recommend reading one. Any one will do, they’re all the same. Tell your girl your reading it too, — it’s a great way to seed sex into a conversation.
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My wife and I lead the cuckold lifestyle.
She has lovers, I suppose they are what you call “alphas”. I do not. Sometimes I get to have sex with her. But not often. I find the constant humiliation and sexual frustration a real turn-on.
Writing this here is exciting for me. I try to make sure as many people we know are aware of me being a cuckold as possible. Most of our friends know. Many of them, the men, have slept with my wife.
I love seeing my wife going out in the evening, knowing she is going to her latest man. She looks terrific most nights. A couple of nights ago she had on a great little black dress, really short, and stilettos. Lots of lipstick, like I love. But it was not for me. She has terrific legs. Some other man was going to have them around his back, that was all I knew.
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“It is perhaps more dangerous to be a woman than a soldier in an armed conflict”
Where do they get this BS?
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…I have a happy, healthy life having just returned from DC I’m totally satiated with male attention, my life’s even happier and healthier than before. … – Skadi
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Skadi,
I usually find what you have to say interesting, but you kinda lost me there with that attention-whoring comment — why did you have to add that?
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“Where do they get this BS?”
Oh, don’t you know that the real victims of war are woomen and children….just sayin’
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It’s hard to recommend specific romance novels because they stay in print for such short periods of time. They’re like sci-fi is, or like low-rent crime novels used to be — here one day, gone the next. A few have become classics — Daphne Du Maurier’s “Rebecca” is one example. It has stayed in print, and it’s a really terrific piece of popular entertainment to boot. But if you’re interested in the inside of women’s minds more than a first-rate reading experience, just head fearlessly to the Romance section, pull a few off the shelf, look at the covers, read a paragraph or two, and choose at will. They’re cheap, you don’t have to read every page, and they’re culturally/psychologically fascinating, even if often unwittingly so. And, heck, you might even run into a pretty good one. There are talented writers in every field. The subgenres of romance are a hoot to learn about (and explore a little bit) too — Regency, spicey, career-girl, etc. And read the Amazon Reader Reviews of any book you look at. What’s really striking is that the women readers know — I mean, they just KNOW — whether the book works for them or not. No literary silliness or pretentions. The fantasy (the guy, the setting, the heroine, the sex scenes) either push the galz’ buttons or they don’t.
FWIW, put me down as someone who doesn’t take Ayn Rand seriously as a thinker — but who found “The Fountainhead” an amazingly effective melodrama of ideas anyway. It’s a corker of a blockbuster. “Atlas Shrugged” is (as fiction anyway) a real snoozer, though.
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“FWIW, put me down as someone who doesn’t take Ayn Rand seriously as a thinker — but who found “The Fountainhead” an amazingly effective melodrama of ideas anyway. It’s a corker of a blockbuster. “Atlas Shrugged” is (as fiction anyway) a real snoozer, though.”
My find exactly! Verbose is an understatement for her writing style so Atlas is obscene in this sense.
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Nicola: “One reason why is the simple biology of being male.”
Which femdom sites break down via systematic, carefully designed programmes of ego destruction, brainwashing, conditioning, humiliation, feminization and cross-dressing (the actual terms used).
You know it’s kind of funny that feminists don’t oppose femdom porn at all since they’re anti-porn and all, but wait, yeah… They’re full ‘o’ bullshit. (And pornography is good for the feminist agenda / female power too, along with the free market and capitalism – another issue.)
I don’t think you’re really au fait with the issue Nicole. Either way you have it wrong.
There are many well known psychological techniques that can be used by Femdom women to train men into becoming whatever they want, and this is what I want to discuss in this article.
Still, as an all out preference, it’s somewhat rare for a male to really want a woman to sexually dominate him.
Obviously it’s not that rare if there’s a large number of websites devoted to it, both pornographic and instructional.
Masochism is a strange aspect of the male psyche. It probably reveals alot like the male ego and ties into the idea that “men are made, women just are” (don’t know who said that). That is, men’s psyches have to be built up and, developed and sculpted. They don’t just “happen”. I suppose we can look at the products of patriarchy – it’s buildings, its hierarchical analysis and understandings, it’s layer upon layer isn’t it. Is the outside “male” world, the intellectual/scientific world which is the product of men, a representation of the male psyche?
While the hierarchical (I say that speculatively) male psyche can create and understand matters of great complexity – as the patriarchal world is of great complexity – that means it’s vulnerable to deconstruction. The overarching theme of Western philosophy in recent times is deconstructionism. Tear it all down, patriarchy, family, nations, everything. The male psyche.
Hmmm…
Then again, that could be a feminist “fragile male ego” fallacy too. Put women into the Abu-Gharib MK-ULTRA brainwashing programmes that femdoms use, and you’ll find them behaving strange too. But of course, women don’t seem to have the same sort of fetish for masochism to lead her into such a corner in the first place.
I suppose evolution is trying to tell us something here, that men in the past did not live in feminist gynocentric societies where women control the wealth (resources). They didn’t live in evolve in an environment where women could manipulate our libido so much because they didn’t need to rely on us for any resources. In a non-feminist society, women depend on men for some resources, so they tend to value men better; they move into a relatively submissive position and all is okay. There’s balance in the universe. In a society where women don’t rely on men at all for resources, then women can push things… And push things. And push things. All of a sudden you’re not in Kansas any more.
Men of course developed the Abu-Gharib MK-ULTRA theories that femdoms employ and implement today, e.g. B.F. Skinner with his Behaviorism. What femdoms do is combine these powerful theories with the manipulation of libido – the libido [sex-drive] being one of the most powerful drives behind everything we do.
There’s a hard-core misandrist, feminist, pro-matriarchy guy whose an evangelist for femdom. He had this to say:
“There are many well known psychological techniques that can be used by Femdom women to train men into becoming whatever they want.”
PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONING THEORY + LIBIDO MANIPULATION + NO NEED FOR MALE RESOURCES AMONG WOMEN + PORNO CULTURE + CAPITALISM/FREE MARKET = FUCKED UP EXPLOITATION OF WOMEN BY MEN = FEMDOM = ACTUAL MATRIARCHAL, FEMALE DOMINATED SOCIETY AND ENSLAVEMENT OF MEN
Male sexual masochism (and female sexual domination) first showed up around the late 19th Century novel with Venus In Furs, and was documented in Psychopathia Sexualis.
Venus In Furs: “That woman, as nature has created her, and man at present is educating her, is man’s enemy. She can only be his slave or his despot, but never his companion.”
One expects that the theories of Sublimation, and Eros and Civilization will be tested in the mainstreaming of femdom. Everyone involved in it assumes it’s going to end up with men enslaved and women as the master owner sex – kind of a sexual caste system. The men are as enthusiastic as the women on that point, and that’s saying alot.
Nicola: “Hardcore women are a niche, and Femdom is a niche of that niche.”
Femdom is a super-tiny niche. No. It’s probably reaching a stage now, actually, where it’s impacting on the mainstream “heteronormative” pornography trade.
The abuse and exploitation of men via femdom – porn and real-life practice – is actually a major men’s issue. Yet, like feminism, it’s hard to work out exactly how to approach it.
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Masochism seems like a kind of self-destruct button in the female psyche.
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Masochism seems like a kind of self-destruct button in the male psyche.
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A woman wants a man who will take charge and who wants her as wildly and passionately as she wants him. Rape in novels symbolizes that and so do rape-like scenes when acted out. That’s why they are a fantasy. Why is that a surprising revelation?
The reasons why women deign it: 1) we often have been trained to be less honest about our sexual desires. 2) there IS a difference between actual rape and fantasized rape and we don’t want to invite actual rape or offend women who have experienced it.
The difference between actual rape and our fantasies is NOT just that the guys we fantasize about we’d happily fuck anyway (though of course that is also true). The important difference is that in our fantasies the rape is about pleasure not pain. Sex can be rough but still pleasurable but actual rape isn’t just rough brutalizing. The point of it isn’t mutual pleasure. Don’t belittle that very important difference.
Also, I’ve noticed a lot of Ayn Rand bashing. Honestly, men, you could learn more about the female sexual appetite from her than Roissy. The men in her novels are women’s ideal. They are alpha males who actual deserve the term because their strength isn’t as cheap as what Roissy’s peddling. They are the type of men that women would both want to fuck and to marry (let’s face it, most men are only valuable for one or the other). Sexual prowess alone isn’t that impressive. Being able to make women feel dominated while at the same time entirely allowing them to determine your worth since you deride your value from your sexual prowess doesn’t make any man truly alpha. Being skilled in the art of manipulation (which is game), though a great talent, doesn’t add that much value to a man. That’s why he is as deposable as his sexual encounters.
Rand’s heroes are desirable because their confidence comes from more than their sexual prowess. Their strength is inherent and doesn’t come from bullying or manipulating women. They aren’t slaves to sex it is their slave and their desires are strong enough so that they actually desire a thing itself and not just the perpetuation of desire.
You all can bitch about feminism but you all should love it since its worst effects allow sites like this to thrive. Without any real men around anymore you boys can pretend to be men. Women are starving so much for strong men most will ignore that you’re all just cheap imitations. It’s a tragic comedy for all involved. This brings me back to the point of the blog. Women are fantasizing about rape so much because we want men who will be men which includes being able to dominate us and makes us feel the pleasure of our own weakness as we enjoy your strength. It is a pity though that few men are actually strong or dominate in more than superficial ways.
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Verbosity wasn’t Rand’s fault, it was her “default”, for women can’t help it.
The difference between actual rape and our fantasies is NOT just that the guys we fantasize about we’d happily fuck anyway (though of course that is also true). The important difference is that in our fantasies the rape is about pleasure not pain. Sex can be rough but still pleasurable but actual rape isn’t just rough brutalizing. The point of it isn’t mutual pleasure. Don’t belittle that very important difference.
Rape is all in the women’s head.
“Also, I’ve noticed a lot of Ayn Rand bashing. Honestly, men, you could learn more about the female sexual appetite from her than Roissy. The men in her novels are women’s ideal. “
Women’s highest ideal: know how to rape.
“They are alpha males who actual deserve the term because their strength isn’t as cheap as what Roissy’s peddling. They are the type of men that women would both want to fuck and to marry (let’s face it, most men are only valuable for one or the other).”
Women have no soul.
“Sexual prowess alone isn’t that impressive. Being able to make women feel dominated while at the same time entirely allowing them to determine your worth since you deride your value from your sexual prowess doesn’t make any man truly alpha.”
Rape or you’re not alpha enough.
“Being skilled in the art of manipulation (which is game), though a great talent, doesn’t add that much value to a man. That’s why he is as deposable as his sexual encounters.”
Women are worthless.
“Rand’s heroes are desirable because their confidence comes from more than their sexual prowess. Their strength is inherent and doesn’t come from bullying or manipulating women.”
Stop talking and go ahead and rape me already…
“They aren’t slaves to sex it is their slave and their desires are strong enough so that they actually desire a thing itself and not just the perpetuation of desire. “
Desire so hard that you rape through her pants.
“You all can bitch about feminism but you all should love it since its worst effects allow sites like this to thrive. Without any real men around anymore you boys can pretend to be men. “
Real men rape.
“Women are starving so much for strong men most will ignore that you’re all just cheap imitations. It’s a tragic comedy for all involved. This brings me back to the point of the blog. Women are fantasizing about rape so much because we want men who will be men which includes being able to dominate us and makes us feel the pleasure of our own weakness as we enjoy your strength. It is a pity though that few men are actually strong or dominate in more than superficial ways.”
Women are animals.They need a beastmaster. Oh what a pity that men don’t like to rape anymore.Tch.
If only poor Peter Keating knew game and had raped the whore….
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This is great. Piss on her face and chest.
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“Rand’s heroes are desirable because their confidence comes from more than their sexual prowess. Their strength is inherent and doesn’t come from bullying or manipulating women. They aren’t slaves to sex it is their slave and their desires are strong enough so that they actually desire a thing itself and not just the perpetuation of desire.
You all can bitch about feminism but you all should love it since its worst effects allow sites like this to thrive. Without any real men around anymore you boys can pretend to be men. Women are starving so much for strong men most will ignore that you’re all just cheap imitations. It’s a tragic comedy for all involved. This brings me back to the point of the blog. Women are fantasizing about rape so much because we want men who will be men which includes being able to dominate us and makes us feel the pleasure of our own weakness as we enjoy your strength. It is a pity though that few men are actually strong or dominate in more than superficial ways.”
This didn’t happen overnight, you idiot. Feminism systematically stripped men of their ability to wield power and be masculine by stigmating masculinity as being oppresive to women. It increased female power at the expense of men because the acquisition of power is necessarily zero-sum. The Fountainhead (1943) and Atlas Shrugged (1957) were both written in a time where men were still allowed to be men. In Rand’s time men were raised to be masculine and wield male power and be dominant—the things that women actually find attractive, regardless of what they say—so of course the characters in her book will fit that mold. But you can’t honestly say that about what’s happened with men over the last 50 years—we’ve been deliberately feminized and emasculated in an effort to allow women to wield masculine power, while keeping their inherent sexual power as females.
This is why it is often said that feminism was really just one big societywide shit test. And we failed—big time.
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“Sexual prowess alone isn’t that impressive”
“Being skilled in the art of manipulation (which is game), though a great talent, doesn’t add that much value to a man. That’s why he is as deposable as his sexual encounters.”
@Renneegrace
As disposable as the cells that will be multiplying inside of you after that sexual encounter?
why don’t women understand, men can’t be used for sex. Men don’t get pregnant, they aren’t burdened by sex. Keep telling yourself a man is disposable after sex or “just” a sex object but you fail to realise we cannot be burdened like a woman. It just goes to show how far detatched most women are from reality these days, they forget to associate the sex act with reproduction and think they can “use” a man for sex. It’s just not possible. Her only way out of “just sex” is corrupt socialism, male technology/medicine and cuckolding, simple as that. A man can be used for his protection, resources etc but he cannot be used for his own pleasure, only a woman can be used for sex. so What you are saying is us guys should man up and become more easily manipulated so that women will want to marry you and have your protection and money etc as well as slut around and “use” guys for sex. Sounds like being used to me, and sounds like more of the same.
Sexual prowess is impressive, and for many guys these days, getting laid is the end game, not marrying a whore, not protecting a slut, not providing for a slag. comprende??
I’m sure every guy here would rather be “disposable” sex than disposable bank accounts.
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Informer, I believe that much of male masochism comes from their sense of honor. This could be why the niche seems to be growing, although I’m sure it will likely have a very low peak.
Men are being herded into being more docile and admiring of masculinity in women that goes beyond the practical. However, men seem to be dropping out or thugging out more than they’re subbing.
There’s a line. There were lines even back in the days of foot binding and of corsetry. You could make something harmful or anti fertility popular, but you can’t make it preferable to guys above a certain level of social dependence.
Men are naturally sexually less socially dependent than women because they don’t lose status for it being known that they had sex with a lower status woman. It is common for men to shag lower status women until they marry.
So the idea of male submission to their mates becoming popular, I can see, but preferable? Never. Not until women stop liking dick.
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this is absolutely not “the one exception” to the reflecting reality rrule. you’re presenting it that way for your own purposes. You can be pretty clever sometimes but this is just such a simplified view I wouldn’t know where to begin. It’s disappointing.
A.
One (by and large) control’s one’s own fantasy. The PREMISE of fantasy in itself creates some safety that would not be present IRL. the fact that it’s fantasy permits such a thing to be fantasized.
B.
Plenty of other fantasies that are not actual wishes occur commonly. Violent fantasies, gross fantasies, even boring non-sexual ones about emotional intimacy that in fantasy are scintillating but in real life would feel cloying and sticky and just downright unpleasant. The line between fantasy and wish is a sort of fickle one, and it’s a strange one, but it exists. You can’t always pin it down, but there’s a line. the line between a desire and a FEAR is similarly nuanced. You’re leaving this out. Or failing to understand it.
C.
Fantasized rape does not usually reflect real rape. You consent to your fantasies. It may be ‘rape’ in your imagination but it’s not what rape IS. It can be explored in fantasy because on some level you are controlling your fantasy. You can escape it and you are inventing it.
D.
This entire post shows your concept of desire (sexual, emotional, aggregate..) to crucially lack nuance. There’s a desire to be rendered submissive. There’s a desire to dominate. There’s a desire to be violent and a desire to be gentle. People experience a collection of all these impulses throughout their life. Women and men both. You get at them in fantasy and reality and in direct and indirect exercises. It’s not as simple as wish fulfillment. You aren’t ever going to find someone in the real world as simple as your fantasy object. Fantasy and wish just aren’t mirrors.
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shit forgive misplaced apostrophe. lol
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The greatest tragedy of the 21st century was that a man of Roisy’s caliber had his attention preoccupied with devising the most brilliant way to get the best pussy. I weep for he could have been for not our ball-cutting feminized culture.
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The greatest tragedy of the 21st century was that a man of Roisy’s caliber had his attention preoccupied with devising the most brilliant way to get the best pussy. I weep for he could have been for not our ball-cutting feminized culture. – Greg
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This is exactly what the culture-destroying vampires of Western Civilization wish to do to the best of our men and women — turning them into sex-addled and obsessed monomaniacal degenerates — before they deliver the final coup de grâce — the complete Bolshevization and destruction of White America (just as they did to the Whites in ‘Soviet’ Russia and eastern Europe).
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“The greatest tragedy of the 21st century was that a man of Roissy’s caliber had his attention preoccupied with devising the most brilliant way to get the best pussy. I weep for he could have been for not our ball-cutting feminized culture.”
–amen. What a fucking waste.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2009/01/26/rape-fantasies-and-female-arousal.aspx
This topic discussed in Slate.
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[…] of the woman, often bordering on rape (or at least echoing it). Roissy talks about this a bit with his post on rape fantasies in romance novels, but this is a somehow more compelling proof, simply because the writers are ordinary […]
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[…] The average woman’s mind is teeming with the dirty detritus of rape fantasies, such fantasies the ultimate manifestation of their most female desire to submit wholly and unconditionally to a strong man with a will to […]
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[…] Nothing in these studies should be a surprise to readers of this blog. It has been noted here, to much consternation and gnashing of the teeth by haters, that women secretly desire to submit to a powerful man — more powerful than they, at any rate — and that this desire sometimes includes a nonconsensual component. Women love the feeling of being overtaken by a man unbendable in his will and unstoppable in his lust. […]
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